[Rhodes22-list] Ballast ?

Mon Jan 23 13:07:48 EST 2012

While a hank on jib and main would improve the pointing ability of my R22 I would not want to give up the convenience of both the furling jib and main.  The ability to adjusts sail to any combination at a moment's notice is both safe and convenient.  If I really need to make better time up wind I will motor sail.  1/4 throttle from my Yamaha 8 hp with sail out in a modest breeze gets me where I need to go pretty quick.

Christopher P. Cowie    

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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Leland
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:00 PM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast ?

Capt. Rob,

I definitely would not get rid of the furling headsail.  You don't see many
boats at the shows without them these days; even daysailers and racers.

You have a better chance of balancing your rig in a blow with a furled
headsail than a reefed hanked-on, simply because you can make it as small as
you'd like.  Ron mentioned lowering the boom and running your headsail
sheets through the inside tracks--makes a world of difference.

Good luck!

Lee

Capt. Rob wrote:
> 
>  I have a roller furler system on the Rhodes I'm restoring but I was
> thinking of abandoning it.   But another option would be to rig a second
> forestay (a baby stay) and leave it disconnected and tied to the mast when
> not in use.When the wind picks up, I could roll up the genoa, tie off the
> baby stay and fly a storm jib from that.  I could even leave the storm jib
> hanked and in a sail bag at the base of the mast.   That might give me the
> best set of compromises.
> 
> I guess I'm thinking that most of our sailing occurs in less than 15 mph
> of
> wind and the ease of a roller furled genoa has obvious advantages.. but
> the
> thought of getting caught out in a blow with a poorly balanced rig
> decreases the fun/risk ratio even when the wind is not piped up.
> 
> Any thoughts??????????
> 
> r
> 
> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Ronald Lipton
> <ronald.lipton at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> It does get hard to tack in high winds.  When we sailed across Lake
>> Michigan a few
>> years ago the wind really picked up about halfway through.  We ended up
>> on
>> a
>> broad reach with about 4 feet of the main rolled out and no jib and were
>> moving
>> at 4.5 knots.  Taking the jib sheets to the inboard tracks helps a lot in
>> high winds,
>> as does lowering the boom.  I moved from the 175 to the 150 about two
>> years ago
>> and have been happy with it.  It is not as heavy a sail and works
>> reasonably well in
>> light winds and seems to be easier to find the right adjustment.
>>
>> Ron
>>
>>
>> On 1/23/12 9:38 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>> > Rob,
>> > I believe I am one of the few that had a hank on jib. I say "had",
>> since
>> it went with the old boat when I upgrade to my newer Rhodes.  I only had
>> the single head sail, I believe it was a 175.  In high winds I wish I had
>> the ability to furl the jib, the 175 certainly over powered the boat. 
>> I've
>> tried sailing with main only during high winds but you (well, I did
>> anyway)
>> need the jib to be able to complete a tack.  I ended up gybing to tack
>> with
>> only the main.  A smaller headsail would have helped, but at the same
>> time
>> I couldn't see myself changing headsails.  That's why I wanted (and got)
>> the furling jib and IMF, so I could adjust sail area as needed. - Rob
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rob Granger
>> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 9:11 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast ?
>> >
>> > Wow...  this is disappointing to read...
>> >
>> > Is it because of the relatively large amount of freeboard the Rhodes
>> has?
>> > I've taken my MacGregor V22 out in 20+mph winds (with gusts to 30) on
>> several occasions.  I spent a day sailing across the Albemarle with a
>> steady 25mph And yes..... I've had people question the actual wind
>> strength
>> so I checked it with the weather records for my areas.  When the winds
>> picks up..I hank on my small jib (25%)  and put two reefs in the main. 
>> She
>> punches right through.  I try to keep her relatively flat and we pick up
>> speed....once she is moving forward I take in on the main sheet just a
>> bit
>> we just slice on through the chop ... it is magic.  The Mac is
>> significantly smaller boat than the Rhodes.  It has a foot less beam,
>> about
>> 6" less free board an weighs about half of what the Rhode weights.  The
>> interior accommodations are frankly Spartan but she sails really well....
>> > and fast... and have even gotten her to plane on a run in winds like
>> that.....
>> >
>> > So let me ask you Rhodies something.  How many of you use the roller
>> furled head sail and how many of you have hanked on head sails?  I'm
>> hoping
>> the performance deficiencies you are describing here are a result of the
>> fact that most of you try to roller REEF your head sail and have not
>> actually sailed your Rhodes with a properly sized and properly drafting
>> head sail in stronger winds.
>> >
>> > I hope this does not sound condescending.  I really don't mean it that
>> way.
>> > Email can sometime read really badly and I don't consider myself a
>> sailing expert or anything like that...I really just want some
>> performance
>> data for the Rhodes for how I plan to set mine up... I'll be using hanked
>> on head sails and reef points in my main.
>> >
>> >
>> > So for those of you who hank on your head sails... can you get the
>> Rhodes to perform well in 25 - 30 mph wind with a smaller head sail and a
>> deeply reefed main? (The boom on a Mac can be rolled so I can reef the
>> main
>> as much or as little as I want -- but I prefer reef points).
>> >
>> >   I'm in the middle of a Rhodes restoration and would really like to
>> understand what I'm going to have when I'm done.
>> >
>> > When I purchased my Mac (three seasons ago) it came with three
>> different
>> head sails (25%), (75%), (130%).  It also came with a light air main in
>> addition to the working main....  And sailing with this boat's compliment
>> of sails is when I fully came to appreciate the importance of a balanced
>> rig.  So I'm no longer envious of my roller furled brothers.
>> >
>> > I hope to repeat this experience with the Rhodes.  So if please share
>> if
>> you got a story.
>> >
>> > Fair winds,
>> >
>> > The other Rob
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Leland<LKUHN at cnmc.org>  wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dennis,
>>
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