[Rhodes22-list] Ballast ?

Rick sloopblueheron at gmail.com
Wed Jan 25 14:18:32 EST 2012 

Now, Ben, the R22 with a standard main holds its own against any other 7
meter design.  And if you can trick a Catalina 22 into just a reach race
with your IMF, you'll win every time.

Rick

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Ben Schultz <
benonvelvetelvis at theskinnyonbenny.com> wrote:

> << The Rhodes22 is a cruiser, not a racing
> boat. Never was meant to be. It  is what it is.>>
>
> Just check my race results for confirmation on that point!
>
> I don't think there's much if any difference on Center of Effort based on
> boom vs. inter-mast furling.  In either case, you have a smaller triangle
> of
> sail, which reaches less far up the mast and less far out on the boom.  I
> don't think there's a significant advantage on sail shape.  Innermast gives
> you a slightly higher center of gravity because the furled sail is up
> higher, but if you're to the point of furling the main, the difference of a
> few pounds of sailcloth weight is negligible.
>
> I do think you can learn to sail your Rhodes 22 in 25 knot winds.  More fat
> guys help, but you're really got to be in the mood for a roller coaster
> ride
> at that speed.  My lake is very large and shallow, so the water gets rough.
> It will happen that steep waves knock me off of a tack in that sort of
> weather.  I don't think additional ballast would help.
>
> By the way, we've had great sailing weather this January.  It's normally
> cold and rainy, but it's felt like spring all this year (knock on wood).
> We've had some lovely sails.
>
> Ben
> R22 Velvet Elvis
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast ?
>
> Rob,
> I've been busy lately and haven't had the time to read all the posts, but I
>  really think you are trying to reinvent the wheel without knowing how the
> wheel  works. Any Rhodie with the IMF knows that the first reef point is to
> lower the  boom. (center of effort) THEN you can furl the main and do
> whatever changes you  want to make to the sail configuration. Bring the
> 175's
> lines inside the stays,  etc. Don't knock something until you know what you
> are
> talking about. I can be  on my boat and out sailing while you will still be
> at the dock hanking on your  sails. The Rhodes22 is a cruiser, not a racing
> boat. Never was meant to be. It  is what it is.
>
> Rummy
>
>
> In a message dated 1/23/2012 8:44:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> spreadgoodnews at gmail.com writes:
>
> Rob:  i am in the same boat (pun intended) as you.  I am  fixing up a nice
> rhodes with a rotten interior due to a busted hatch.   The mast was bent so
> i have to replace it.  I am no longer wanting to get  the in mast furling
> main.  I want a regular main with two or three reef  points.  When you
> jiffy
>
> reef you lower your center of effort and reduce  heeling moment just
> perfect.
>  When you roll up the main to the mast the  center. Of effort moves forward
> not down.  This causes lee helm.   Which is a common complaint here. Stan
> needs a roller furling boom.
> The  same goes for the head sail.  Rolling moves the center of effort
> forward  and up.  Perhaps i will rig two forestays one for hanks or i have
> seen
> sleeved storm jibs that wrap over a furled headsail.
> I think we are ok, but  the rig needs some modification.  IMF has
> limitations.  The buzz  term for what i am going to build seems to be a
> "rhodes
> continental  rig".
>
>
> On Jan 21, 2012, at 9:10 PM, Rob Granger  <rgranger at sbc.edu> wrote:
>
> > Wow...  this is disappointing  to read...
> >
> > Is it because of the relatively large amount of  freeboard the Rhodes
> has?
> > I've taken my MacGregor V22 out in 20+mph  winds (with gusts to 30) on
> > several occasions.  I spent a day  sailing across the Albemarle with a
> > steady 25mph And yes..... I've had  people question the actual wind
> strength
> > so I checked it with the  weather records for my areas.  When the winds
> > picks up..I hank on  my small jib (25%)  and put two reefs in the main.
> She
> >  punches right through.  I try to keep her relatively flat and we pick
>  up
> > speed....once she is moving forward I take in on the main sheet  just a
> bit
> > we just slice on through the chop ... it is magic.   The Mac is
> > significantly smaller boat than the Rhodes.  It has a  foot less beam,
> about
> > 6" less free board an weighs about half of what  the Rhode weights.  The
> > interior accommodations are frankly  Spartan but she sails really
> well....
> > and fast... and have even gotten  her to plane on a run in winds like
> > that.....
> >
> > So let  me ask you Rhodies something.  How many of you use the roller
> furled
> > head sail and how many of you have hanked on head sails?   I'm hoping the
> > performance deficiencies you are describing here are a  result of the
> fact
> > that most of you try to roller REEF your head sail  and have not actually
> > sailed your Rhodes with a properly sized and  properly drafting head sail
> in
> > stronger winds.
> >
> > I hope  this does not sound condescending.  I really don't mean it that
> way.
> > Email can sometime read really badly and I don't consider myself  a
> sailing
> > expert or anything like that...I really just want some  performance data
> for
> > the Rhodes for how I plan to set mine up... I'll  be using hanked on head
> > sails and reef points in my main.
> >
> >
> > So for those of you who hank on your head sails... can you  get the
> Rhodes
> > to perform well in 25 - 30 mph wind with a smaller head  sail and a
> deeply
> > reefed main? (The boom on a Mac can be rolled so I  can reef the main as
> > much or as little as I want -- but I prefer reef  points).
> >
> > I'm in the middle of a Rhodes restoration and would  really like to
> > understand what I'm going to have when I'm  done.
> >
> > When I purchased my Mac (three seasons ago) it came  with three different
> > head sails (25%), (75%), (130%).  It also  came with a light air main in
> > addition to the working main....   And sailing with this boat's
> compliment
> > of sails is when I fully came  to appreciate the importance of a balanced
> > rig.  So I'm no longer  envious of my roller furled brothers.
> >
> > I hope to repeat this  experience with the Rhodes.  So if please share if
> > you got a  story.
> >
> > Fair winds,
> >
> > The other Rob
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Leland  <LKUHN at cnmc.org> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>  Dennis,
> >>
> >> 20-30 knot winds are too much wind for the  Rhodes.
> >>
> >> Stan says you can't make headway after 28  knots which is probably
> accurate
> >> since I struggle after  20.
> >>
> >> The more I sail the more picky I am about  conditions.  I usually don't
> go
> >> out if the winds are more  than 15 knots.  Where I sail the chop is
> usually
> >> more of a  problem than the wind when it gets too breezy.
> >>
> >>  Lee
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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