[Rhodes22-list] Major Electrical Problems
peter klappert
peterklappert at comcast.net
Sun Jul 1 19:31:45 EDT 2012
Good to hear from you, Chris. I'll be most grateful for the sketch if you find it. I've found navigating the List archive difficult, but (as with electronics) maybe this development will force me to learn. I used to say I wanted a sailboat so I'd keep learning. Hope you're having a good 4th.
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From: "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
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Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 5:09:55 PM
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Peter:
A couple of years ago I had a marine electrician take a look at my boat and add a battery charger and tiller pilot. During this exercise I tried to create a sketch to map out all of the electronics. Each boat is a bit different however the basic concept is similar. I will try to find my sketch and send it to you. You might also find it in a previous post. Good luck. I have a hard time understanding all of the electronic issues and definitely benefited from an experienced marine electrician.
Christopher P. Cowie
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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter klappert
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 10:59 AM
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Rummy & Mary Lou--
Thanks to you both for the very prompt replies. Rummy's analysis makes sense to me, too, and I've read about such lightning-caused damage (though I didn't remember I had). I hope you're right about the insurance coverage. This is one hell of a way to come up with a wiring diagram!
I'm off to a bar this afternoon. Or rather, friends and I are off to St.Pete to a production of "Cabaret" where the theater has been set up as a cabaret. I can use a drink--no, make that plural.
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From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
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Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:21:51 AM
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I know nothing about electricity but Rummy's
analysis sounds good. I don't believe anything
but lightning could cause the kind of damage you
are describing. Several of our friends have had
similar issues & most have had good experiences
with their insurance companies with it. The
repairs will take a while but if you document
them, You will have your wiring diagram.
Good luck!
Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD
At 07:36 AM 7/1/2012, you wrote:
>You may not have taken a direct hit, but
>lightning has caused some serious damage to
>your electrical system. Your best bet is to hire
>a good marine electrician. I would also contact
>your insurance company because this is
>not going to be a cheap repair. To the best of
>my knowledge I have never seen a schematic for
>the R22 electrical system. Every boat is
>basically hand built and the electrical system
>is the same. About six months ago a lightning
>strike about half a mile away took out the
>blower motor for our floating boat lift on my
>dock. Now I unplug it after every use. Rummy In
>a message dated 7/1/2012 2:18:01 A.M. Eastern
>Daylight Time, peterklappert at comcast.net
>writes: I hope everyone is having a great
>time sailing this weekendit’s beautiful here
>in Apollo Beach. II hope you’re NOT reading
>the list, or only reading it instead of counting
>sheep. Aeolia has MAJOR ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS
>and I’m afraid I’m going to need some help
>to solve them. Here’s the current mess: 1.The
>stern light is blown. 2. The circuit breaker
>panel lights up but the LED for the
>“Instruments� breaker has
>blown We replaced it with the “Running
>Lights� LED (since the blown stern light
>was tripping that breaker anyhow) and
>“Instruments� now lights. 3. The Xantrex
>voltage meter is completely gone; the fuses in
>the wires from it to the batteries are ok.
>4. The fuse to the Garmin chart plotter is
>blown but the line itself has power. The Garmin
>was not onboard when all this damage happened.
>I don’t have the required 3-amp fuse at hand
>but when I get one I expect the Garmin to work.
>5. There’s no power to the VHFno power at
>the fuse. The fuse itself is ok. 6. The Sony
>CD/Radio (which is not powered through the
>breaker panel) receives power but will not turn
>on. We found no fuse and none is mentioned in
>the owners manual. 7. The LED lights on the
>ProMariner ProSport battery charger come on but
>the charger doesn’t charge the batteries. We
>couldn’t determine how the 2 cables from
>the charger run to the batteries, but we sort
>of assume the fatter wires/cables attached to
>the port side battery (red to +, white to -) are
>from the charger. In that case, the outer
>covering of the cable from the charger has
>been stripped, starting somewhere out of sight
>behind the companionway step. Why? Another
>possibility: the cable from the charger has
>been joined to these somewhere out of sight
>behind the companionway step. (I just realized
>we neglected to disconnect the batteries
>and check those fatter wires/cables for power.)
>8. The charge on the batteries kept going down
>while we worked. The port side battery went
>from 12.03 to 11.92 & the battery before the
>V-berth had a similar drop. The only
>intentional drains on power were (1) the breaker
>panel (2) the fan in the cabin. (It was very
>hot today.) We didn’t try to run and I forgot
>to chheckthe fan in the V-berth. 9. Around 5
>PM, as wee were quitting, I hooked up
>a portable charger to the port battery. When I
>check about 6.5-7 hours later, both batteries
>registered just under 13 volts. (I’ve only got
>an analog multimeter; it’s clear I need
>digital.) Solving this mess is made much more
>difficult by (1) not having a wiring diagram for
>Aeolia and (2) the absence of ID tags on almost
>all wiring. (The only tags are ones that
>came from various manufacturersXantrex, Sony,
>maybe Standard Horizon.) DDid anyone get a
>wiring diagram from General Boats when they
>bought their boats? If so and if possible,
>please scan it and post it as an attachmentor
>send directly to me at
>peterklappert at comcast.net. Thanks! It seems
>certain I’ll need to hire a marine
>electrician; a wiring diagram will save him
>time and me $$$. I’m already facing a lot of
>expense to replace electronics on board. This
>message is a version of one I’m sending to
>Stan both by eeee-mail and fax. (The last time I
>tried to call the factory number I got a fax
>tone, and it’s still there, so I'll try a
>fax.) Additional History: A few weeks back we
>had a strong storm--heavy rain and winds gusting
>to over 50 mph. I had to power outage here at
>the house. Some time later I noticed that the
>VHF aerial atop the mast--the staff part of
>it--was gone. It was in the cockpit. A week or
>two before Debby we had a power surge that
>knocked out my FiOS. There was no other sign of
>a surge at my house. & there were no power
>interruptions during Debby--or maybe one
>very brief one. I'm reporting this because
>there is no sign of a lightning strike, on
>Aeolia or on land. Aeolia has not been connected
>to shore power except the two times I mention
>below. I didn’t take the cover off the boat
>immediately when I got here, and when I did it
>was mainly to see if everything was dry in the
>cabin. Couldn’t have been dryer. At that time
>the Xantrex volt meter indicated the batteries
>were low, so I ran shore power to the outlet
>outside cabin. (Apparently the clear panels in
>the boat cover did interfere with the solar
>panels) I think I got distracted and left the
>shore power connected for 24 hours or more.
>Unless there was a power surge, I don’t think
>that would have been detrimental: shorepower
>goes to an onboard Prosport20 Marine Battery
>Charger. When I disconnected shorepower,
>the meter said the batteries were charged.
>[Maybe the worst part of all this narrative is
>having to make the following admission:
>I haven’t used Aeolia at all since I’ve
>been back to FL, It’s a long, boring story--a
>series of long boring stories.] I went
>out yesterday to prepare for a sail today and
>found the voltage meter was completely dark
>(unpowered). Ran shorepower to the boat but it
>made no difference. I then discovered that all
>the lights and outlets on my dock were shorted
>out. The power to the lift motors, which
>doesn’t have a GFI, was fine. A friend & I
>identified the source of the short and
>disconnected that wiring. All the other dock
>lights and all outlets now have power.
>Nonetheless, when I ran shorepower to Aeolia
>it made no difference. The voltage meter was
>still dark. We spent the afternoon trying to
>figure out what was wrong. Steve’s a
>longtime boat owner and a home improvement
>contractor savvy about electricity
>issues. (I’m ignorant but trying to learn.)
>That’s when we discovered the various
>failures at the start of this long
>message. I apologize for its length!
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