[Rhodes22-list] Major Electrical Problems

Chris Cowie ccowie at cowieassociates.com
Mon Jul 2 09:00:08 EDT 2012


Thanks Michael.

Peter:

The jpg images included in Michaels link are the diagrams I referred to and previously posted.  Hope this helps.

Christopher P. Cowie    


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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 8:00 PM
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I believe that the diagrams that you're looking for may be viewed in a previous discussion at:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2009-December/063794.html


Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
s/v <-no name -> ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



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From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter klappert
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 7:32 PM
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Good to hear from you, Chris. I'll be most grateful for the sketch if you find it. I've found navigating the List archive difficult, but (as with electronics) maybe this development will force me to learn. I used to say I wanted a sailboat so I'd keep learning. Hope you're having a good 4th.

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From: "Chris Cowie" <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
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Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 5:09:55 PM
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Peter:

A couple of years ago I had a marine electrician take a look at my boat and add a battery charger and tiller pilot.  During this exercise I tried to create a sketch to map out all of the electronics.  Each boat is a bit different however the basic concept is similar.  I will try to find my sketch and send it to you.  You might also find it in a previous post.  Good luck.  I have a hard time understanding all of the electronic issues and definitely benefited from an experienced marine electrician.

Christopher P. Cowie    


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-----Original Message-----
From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter klappert
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 10:59 AM
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Rummy & Mary Lou--

Thanks to you both for the very prompt replies. Rummy's analysis makes sense to me, too, and I've read about such lightning-caused damage (though I didn't remember I had). I hope you're right about the insurance coverage. This  is one hell of a way to come up with a wiring diagram!

I'm off to a bar this afternoon. Or rather, friends and I are off to St.Pete to a production of "Cabaret" where the theater has been set up as a cabaret. I can use a drink--no, make that plural.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
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Sent: Sunday, July 1, 2012 9:21:51 AM
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I know nothing about electricity but Rummy's analysis sounds good. I don't believe anything but lightning could cause the kind of damage you are describing. Several of our friends have had similar issues & most have had good experiences with their insurance companies with it. The repairs will take a while but if you document them, You will have your wiring diagram.

Good luck!

Mary Lou
1991 R22 Fretless
Rock Hall, MD


At 07:36 AM 7/1/2012, you wrote:
>You may not have taken a direct hit, but lightning has caused some 
>serious  damage to your electrical system. Your best bet is to hire a 
>good marine  electrician. I would also contact your insurance company 
>because this is not  going to be a cheap repair. To the best of my 
>knowledge I have never seen a schematic for the R22 electrical system. 
>Every boat is basically hand built and  the electrical system is the 
>same. About six months ago a lightning strike about half a mile away 
>took out the blower motor for our floating boat lift on my dock. Now I 
>unplug it after every  use. Rummy In a message dated 7/1/2012 2:18:01 
>A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  peterklappert at comcast.net
>writes: I hope everyone is having a great time  sailing this 
>weekend­it’s beautiful here in Apollo Beach. II hope you’re NOT  
>reading the list, or only reading it instead of counting
>sheep.   Aeolia has MAJOR ELECTRICAL PROBLEMS 
>and I’m afraid I’m  going to need some help to solve them. Here’s 
>the current  mess: 1.The stern light is blown. 2. The circuit breaker 
>panel  lights up but the LED for the “Instruments† breaker has
>blown   We  replaced it with the “Running 
>Lights† LED (since the blown stern light was  tripping that breaker 
>anyhow) and “Instruments† now lights.  3.  The Xantrex voltage 
>meter is completely gone; the fuses in the wires from it  to the 
>batteries are ok.
>4.  The fuse to the Garmin chart plotter  is blown but the line itself 
>has power. The Garmin was not onboard when all  this damage happened.
>I don’t have the required 3-amp fuse at hand but when I  get one I 
>expect the Garmin to work.
>5. There’s no power to the VHF­no  power at the fuse. The fuse  
>itself is ok. 6. The Sony CD/Radio (which  is not powered through the 
>breaker panel) receives power but will not turn on.  We found no fuse 
>and none is mentioned in the owners manual. 7. The LED  lights on the 
>ProMariner ProSport battery charger come on but the charger  doesn’t 
>charge the batteries. We couldn’t determine how the 2 cables from the  
>charger run to the batteries, but we sort of assume the fatter 
>wires/cables  attached to the port side battery (red to +, white to -) 
>are from the charger.  In that case, the outer covering of the cable 
>from the charger has been  stripped, starting somewhere out of sight 
>behind the companionway step. Why?  Another
>possibility:  the cable from the charger has been joined to these  
>somewhere out of sight behind the companionway step. (I just realized 
>we neglected to disconnect the batteries and  check those fatter 
>wires/cables for power.) 8. The charge on the  batteries kept going 
>down while we worked. The port side battery went from  12.03 to 11.92 & 
>the battery before the V-berth had a similar drop. The  only 
>intentional drains on power were (1) the breaker panel (2) the fan in 
>the  cabin. (It was very hot today.) We didn’t try to run­ and I 
>forgot to chheck­the  fan in the V-berth. 9. Around 5 PM, as wee were 
>quitting, I hooked up a  portable charger to the port battery. When I 
>check about 6.5-7 hours later,  both batteries registered just under 13 
>volts. (I’ve only got an analog  multimeter; it’s clear I need
>digital.) Solving this mess is made much  more difficult by (1) not 
>having a wiring diagram for Aeolia and (2) the  absence of ID tags on 
>almost all wiring. (The only tags are ones that came  from various 
>manufacturers­Xantrex, Sony, maybe Standard Horizon.) DDid  anyone get 
>a wiring diagram from General Boats when they bought their  boats? If 
>so and if possible, please scan it and post it as an  attachment­or 
>send directly to me at peterklappert at comcast.net.  Thanks!  It seems 
>certain I’ll need to hire a marine electrician; a wiring  diagram 
>will save him time and me $$$. I’m already facing a lot of expense to  
>replace electronics on board. This message is a version of one I’m  
>sending to Stan both by eeee-mail and fax. (The last time I tried to 
>call the  factory number I got a fax tone, and it’s still there, so 
>I'll try a
>fax.)  Additional History: A few weeks back we had a strong 
>storm--heavy rain and winds gusting to over  50 mph. I had to power 
>outage here at the house. Some time later I noticed  that the VHF 
>aerial atop the mast--the staff part of it--was gone. It was in  the 
>cockpit. A week or two before Debby we had a power  surge that knocked 
>out my FiOS. There was no other sign of a surge at my  house. & there 
>were no power interruptions during Debby--or maybe one very  brief one. 
>I'm reporting this because there  is no sign of a lightning strike, on 
>Aeolia or on land. Aeolia has not been connected to shore power except 
>the two times I mention below. I didn’t take the cover off the boat 
>immediately  when I got here, and when I did it was mainly to see if 
>everything was dry in  the cabin. Couldn’t have been dryer. At that 
>time the  Xantrex volt meter indicated the batteries were low, so I ran 
>shore  power  to the outlet outside cabin. (Apparently the clear panels 
>in the  boat cover did interfere with the solar
>panels) I think I got distracted and  left the shore power connected 
>for 24 hours or more.
>Unless there was a power  surge, I don’t think that would have been 
>detrimental: shorepower goes to an  onboard Prosport20 Marine Battery 
>Charger. When I disconnected shorepower, the  meter said the batteries 
>were charged.
>[Maybe the worst  part of all this narrative is having to make the 
>following admission:
>I  haven’t used Aeolia at all since I’ve been back to FL, It’s a 
>long, boring  story--a series of long boring stories.] I went out  
>yesterday to prepare for a sail today and found the voltage meter was  
>completely dark (unpowered). Ran shorepower to the boat but it made no  
>difference. I then discovered that all the lights and outlets  on my 
>dock were shorted out. The power to the lift motors, which doesn’t 
>have  a GFI, was fine. A friend & I identified the source of  the short 
>and disconnected that wiring. All the other dock lights and all  
>outlets now have power.
>Nonetheless,  when I ran  shorepower to Aeolia it made no difference. 
>The voltage meter was still dark.  We spent the afternoon trying to 
>figure out what was wrong. Steve’s a longtime  boat owner and a home 
>improvement contractor savvy about electricity issues.  (I’m ignorant 
>but trying to learn.) That’s when we  discovered the various failures 
>at the start of this long message.  I  apologize for its length!
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