[Rhodes22-list] Mast Plate

Michael Hellyar michaelhellyar at icloud.com
Sat Jun 22 17:50:17 EDT 2013


My wife tells me I don't have a six pack so I guess that method won't work ; - ).
But it will get up, the mast that is, with help from my Rhodes owner twin. 
Are you and Stan a tag team ? 

Be well and good sailing forever

Mike Hellyar
sent from my iPad

On Jun 22, 2013, at 3:34 PM, R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:

> Mike,
> The R22 mast is an easy thing to raise. You can either use the nifty mast  
> crane that Stanley invented and sells, or you can use the six pack method of 
> mast raising.
> 
> Rummy
> 
> 
> In a message dated 6/22/2013 1:16:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
> michaelhellyar at icloud.com writes:
> 
> We did  not mean to cause a ruckus. I have another sailboat,an Abbott 22 
> beautiful and  have never had to mess with the mast or mast step. I prefer to 
> use the marina  manual crane to raise and lower my mast.
> 
> Mike Hellyar
> sent from my  iPad
> 
> On Jun 21, 2013, at 6:08 PM, Dennis Frappier  <dennisf at maine.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi I have been following the  conversation with a lot of interest as I
> have
>> just put in a  compression post and the block for the mast plate to sit
> on.
>> What type  and size of screws are correct to install the mast plate?  
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> Dennis Frappier
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael  Hellyar
>> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 9:14 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22  Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sacrificial Toothpicks
>> 
>> I got some non Rhodes owner feedback from the BoatDesign.net forum.  They
>> reminded me that many boats like an S2 that has a stub fastened  to the
> deck.
>> The mast fits over the stub. 
>> So, we will switch  back to screws.It's easy to re drill the holes if
> needed.
>> Thanks to  everyone for the education. 
>> 
>> Mike Hellyar
>> sent from  my iPad
>> 
>> On Jun 21, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Mary Lou Troy  <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mike,
>>> 
>>> Here are my thoughts on the subject.
>>> 
>>> 1.  I've never hear of an R22 mast coming down in a blow. Based on my 
>>> own experience, leverage mistakes when raising the mast are much more  
>>> common. All you need to do is forget to put the poptop/boom  slider in 
>>> the up position or slide the poptop/cpmpanionway slide  closed and you 
>>> create a leverage point that can be damaged if you  don't notice it.
>>> If you just use the screws the fix is easy and  the leverage points 
>>> don't get damaged. (hear the voice of  experience - we were glad there 
>>> were screws there.)
>>> 
>>> 2. As everyone else has said the stays are more than sufficient  to 
>>> keep the mast up. Even boats that have been rolled in a  microburst 
>>> (there is one account somewhere in the archives) or  damaged in a 
>>> hurricane, don't have the mast come down as you are  envisioning. The 
>>> mast may stick in the mud and get damaged,  chainplates may pull but 
>>> the mast doesn't go flying. For that to  happen you would have to have
>>> 2 and maybe 3 stays/chainplates go  simultaneously.
>>> 
>>> 3) If the above happened and the mast  did go flying it would be just 
>>> as deadly with a chunk of  fiberglass attached to it. The leverage of 
>>> the mast is such that  if the stays go the bolts won't help much - 
>>> might as well be  screws.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Mary  Lou
>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At  11:36 PM 6/20/2013, you wrote:
>>>> I appreciate all the feedback  and we will consider all the comments. 
>>>> I explained our logic  for through bolting and I hope someone will 
>>>> explain why we  are wrong.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike Hellyar
>>>> sent  from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2013, at 11:44 AM,  R22RumRunner at aol.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>> Please follow the advice of the list (and Stan's)  and DO NOT through 
>>>>> bolt the mast  step.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rummy
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> In a message dated 6/20/2013 9:06:16  A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>>>>> mdh007 at wowway.com  writes:
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are  re-attaching the  mast step fitting. The holes were left 
>>>>> uncovered for  years.  We are going to through bolt. Yes, we know 
>>>>> Stan's
>>>> theory. We used
>>>>> a simple   process described in West System Boat Maintenance. Cured 
>>>>> epoxy can be hard on  drill bits so Steve came up with the idea to  
>>>>> slobber match sticks with some  paste wax use clear  tape over the 
>>>>> filled holed
>>>> and stick  the
>>>>> match sticks into  the epoxy to create a pilot  small starter pilot. 
>>>>> Tape hold the matchsticks   vertical. And it worked like a charm. And 
>>>>> the epoxy  wicked quite a bit to  repair any core damage in the area.  
>>>>> By
>>>> taping the hole
>>>>> opening in the cabin we  prevented in leakage. Given the  strength
>>>> of epoxy we
>>>>> could just as well  have  re-drilled and screwed into the epoxy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike Hellyar
>>>>> Steve Congdon,   Rhodesmaster I
>>>>> sent from my iPad
>>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded  message:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: sjcclu  <sjcclu at msn.com>
>>>>>> Date: June  19, 2013,  7:49:17 AM EDT
>>>>>> To: Mike Hellyar  <mdh007 at wowway.com>,  Mike Hellyar 
>>>>>> <mhellyar22 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Subject: <No   Subject>
>>>>>> Reply-To: sjcclu  <sjcclu at msn.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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