[Rhodes22-list] Lazarette Leak | to Cabin

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    I told my wife about your wife but she still is not enthusiastic about hanging fiberglass while in the lazarette. She is odd that way.
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------ Original message------From: The Rhodes 22 Email List Date: Sat, Jul 25, 2015 4:05 PMTo: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List';Subject:Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette Leak | to Cabin
Graham,Nope, she's taken :-) ! HA!When beefing up 2 Layers of biaxial might be enough.  Biaxial is verystrong. 4 layers is probably overkill. I like overkill.Regards,GaryS/V Moon ShadowFort Pierce Fl.-----Original Message-----From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 EmailListSent: Saturday, July 25, 2015 12:00 AMTo: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette Leak | to CabinVery impressive. Do you think I might borrow your wife for a day?Graham-----Original Message-----From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 EmailListSent: July 24, 2015 10:38 PMTo: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette Leak | to CabinGraham,By the time I bought my boat, any trace of a wood partition was long gone.Of course, there must have been one because the aft wall of the flotationfoam is very smooth.  I (I should say we) managed to get the new glassnearly all the way to the top of the foam. I say we,  because as the projectdrug on that day I had my wife help me with the glassing of the foam wall.I laid the floor part and then she crawled in and did the wall. The foam wassoaked with laminating epoxy first and then 3 layers of mat/ biaxial werelaid down in rapid sequence. She did a great job, only a few air pocketsappeared underneath the first layer on the wall so I was very happy with theadherence. The finished product looks good and is waterproof at least tillthe water reaches near the top of the wall.While on the hard the lazarette water intrusion was a constant problem.There are a lot of trees in my yard and stuff was constantly clogging thedrains even after they were enlarged. One day after a particularly heavyovernight rain, I woke up to discover the boat trailer with the tonguehanging up in the air.  The now waterproof lazarette filled up with watersifting the center of gravity way towards the stern. Fortunately the boatwas well tied to the trailer and did not slip off. As a later project, I installed a bilge pump in the lazarette which is on amanual switch (no float) but I never have to use it since the boat drainswork fine now that it is on the boat lift. I  also added extra glass to my boat in the following locations 1. Bilge all around the stringers and up to and including the centerboardtrunk, actually this means all glass seen when the sole is removed. Alltraces of delamination ground out and laid 3-4 layers of biaxial. (4 layersnear centerboard trunk)2. The center board trunk cap completely covered in 3 layers of biaxial3. the fiberglass cap over the top of the forward ballast. 4 layers ofbiaxial. The mast indirectly rests on this. Additional wood work was alsoperformed here, fiberglass work was only part of this project.All I can say is the fiberglass centerboard trunk cap seemed quite weak whenI initially removed it. After the glass work I can stand on it and it feelsrock hard.Regards,Gary-----Original Message-----From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 EmailListSent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:26 PMTo: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette Leak | to CabinThanks Gary:The plywood wall between the foam and the lazarette is rotted out in my boattoo. The plywood was very thin - no more the 1/4" leading me to think thatit was intended only as a barrier when the foam was poured rather than haveany structural purpose. I tried to glass over the foam but made an awful jobof the glass and ended up removing it before it set. Somehow, hanging upsidedown into the lazarette while trying to glass a vertical surface was toomuch for me so I just coated the foam with epoxy to seal it off and will letany water drain into the bilge.I haven't had a problem with water in the lazarette since I replaced the3/4" mushroom thru-hulls with 1 1/2" flush mounted scabbards.I have been thinking about reinforcing the hull throughout the boat belowthe waterline with a few layers of cloth. The hull seems very flexible to meand has been damaged where the front trailer struts support the hull.Problem is I don't really know how many layers of cloth would significantlystrengthen the hull. How many layers did you use in the lazarette?Graham StewartAgile. R22, 1976Kingston Ontario Canada-----Original Message-----From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 EmailListSent: July 24, 2015 8:03 PMTo: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette Leak | to CabinGraham,I miss spoke here, I actually added some fiberglass to the floor of thelazarette, mostly near the wall that is formed by the aft side of theflotation foam.  In my case, there was delaminated tabbing at the junctionof the hull and flotation foam. I removed the bad tabbing,  ground the hullsurface, cleaned and then glassed an area along the entire foam wallextending toward the stern perhaps 10 ". No mods were made to the transom.I added extra biaxial because when I was stepping around in the lazarette tofind the leaks there, I noticed that the hull (lazarette floor) seemed togive a lot.  My boat was built in 1978. The hull is solid woven roving andmat. Following adding the extra glass, the lazarette definitely gives less.At the time I thought that I would modify the boat  lift to support the boatfrom the bow and the stern, but I now don't think I will do it this way.  Regards,GaryS/V Moon ShadowwFort Pierce FL-----Original Message-----From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 EmailListSent: Friday, July 24, 2015 6:32 PMTo: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette Leak | to CabinGary:I am wondering why you "added additional layers of fiberglass to the hull inthe transom"?Graham StewartAgile. R22, 1976Kingston Ontario Canada-----Original Message-----From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 EmailListSent: July 24, 2015 12:26 PMTo: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette Leak | to CabinBob,My Rhodes had a similar problem especially when on the hard. I didn't wantthe water to get inside the boat by flowing thru and around the foam. Foamcan begin to absorb water if its continuously exposed to it. This is an alltoo common problem with older power boats in Florida where I live. Google"waterlogged boat foam".  I can't say for sure if this would happen to you or not, but it definitelystarted to happen on my boat. Before I discovered the problem was mostly thelazarette, I pulled the table mount base out of the cockpit. The lastinstaller didn't caulk the base and water was indeed getting in there. Thefoam near the Hole was soaked and mushy. I dug out the bad andcaulked/reinstalled the base after letting the remaining  mostly dry crunchyfoam dry out.I replaced my boat drains and hoses with larger ones and glassed over thefoam up as much as I could, also added additional layers of fiberglass tothe hull in the transom while I was at it. I added a bilge pump to thelazarrete to pump out any water that still gets in. .Now that the boats is on my lift I don't generally see more than a cup or soof water in the lazarette, as I don't get leaves on the boat now, only birdpoop.Regards,GaryS/V Moon ShadowwFort Pierce FL-----Original Message-----From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 EmailListSent: Friday, July 24, 2015 8:06 AMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette Leak | to CabinThank you all for the helpful replies. I intend to caulk for the rest of the2015 sailing season.While standing on my head in the lazarette I noticed the lack of fiberglass?Same port side where leak was found. The lack of fiberglass is at the top,port side of forward, lazarette wall. Starboard side bulkhead is fullycovered in fiberglass?Bob-----Original Message-----From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 EmailListSent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 9:40 PMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette Leak | to CabinBob,I have found the brushes sold for cleaning the lint from clothes dryers (long slender cone shaped) work great to keep the cockpit drains clean. Ikeep one on the boat.Cheap and easy!Just my thought. I hate re inventing the wheel.CaryS/V WhisperRadford, VAOn Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 5:37 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List  wrote:> Bob,> On my 88 model the lazzerette is water tight. I would recommend > sealing it with either fiberglass or using a good caulk.>> Rummy>>> In a message dated 7/22/2015 11:48:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:>> Hello  all,>> Repair help requested please?>> Our families '84 R22 is  currently on its trailer (in our driveway). > During a recent rain storm, the  P/S bench drains became clogged with > leaves and the water overflowed into the  lazarette. The water was > high enough in the lazarette to move forward and soak  the carpet in > the cabin. I bailed her out to find I'm lacking water tight  integrity > at a point on port side in the lazarettes bulkhead. I can watch the > water drain, fwd to aft, thru the port side bulkhead, at the base of > the  lazarette?> What's recommended by the list? Fiberglass repair? Puddy repair?  Other?>> Thanks in advance,> Bob> Sunapee,  NH> __________________________________________________> To  subscribe/unsubscribe go to> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list>> For the list  Charter and help with using the mailing list and > archives go to  http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________>> __________________________________________________> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________>__________________________________________________To subscribe/unsubscribe go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listFor the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/list____________________________________________________________________________________________________To subscribe/unsubscribe go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listFor the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/list____________________________________________________________________________________________________To subscribe/unsubscribe go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listFor the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/list____________________________________________________________________________________________________To subscribe/unsubscribe go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listFor the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/list____________________________________________________________________________________________________To subscribe/unsubscribe go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listFor the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/list____________________________________________________________________________________________________To subscribe/unsubscribe go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listFor the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/list____________________________________________________________________________________________________To subscribe/unsubscribe go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listFor the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/list____________________________________________________________________________________________________To subscribe/unsubscribe go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listFor the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/list____________________________________________________________________________________________________To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listFor the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list__________________________________________________