[Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?

Sun Mar 29 15:55:35 EDT 2015

Jefferson:
You can use a porta-pottie on Ontario waters so long as it is fixed in place
and has a deck pump out. Most porta-potties have kits for this purpose. No
need for a separate holding tank.

You would be most welcome if you make the trip to my place and can tie up at
my dock given that my boat is still on the hard. I also have a mooring that
you can use. I am located just west of Lemoines Point on the north Shore of
Lake Ontario.

The Rhodes 22 were built under contract with 3rd parties in 1976 and as a
result some of the construction details were lacking. A few things that you
might want to check on the boat that might cause problems.  

- The transom rings were installed without nuts on the inside,
- the deck leaked where the air vent for the holding tank went through the
deck at the front - you may not have one if you don't have a holding tank
but that is a prime spot for water to make its way into the core.. The
softness that my deck developed when walked on was not due to rot as I
suspected but was because the deck skin simply separated from the core,
There was minimal sealant used to join the two surfaces and it simply let
go. That is actually good news as it is possible to reattach the core by
injecting epoxy under the skin rather than having to remove the deck and
replace the core. I discovered this the hard way.
- The keel on my boat split open at the bottom of the keel at the
centreboard slot. I could only see it  by laying flat on my back right under
the keel - a position I rarely found myself in. The sharp corner seems to be
the weakest point. Of course you might well not have that problem and I have
no idea why it developed in mine, but by the time I realized that I had this
problem it was probably years from the time it started and a crack had
spread all the way around the centreboard opening. I only noticed the
problem when I saw some of the internal filling hanging from the keel.  I
suspect that some water got into the keel and froze. I discovered that there
were large voids in the keel where water could collect in substantial volume
if it found its way in. It took 3 gallons of resin to fill the voids that I
was able to find. My advice is to check it out before you launch. You
probably will not have that problem but given that our boats were built so
close together and potentially by the same builder it might be a reasonably
prudent examination to make.
- The cap on my centreboard housing had been installed with a layer of
fibreglass over it and the flange sealed with something like 3M 5200. I
suspect that might have been a repair done by a subsequent owner but I can't
be sure. It was a pain to remove the cap and impossible to do so without
badly damaging it.
- When I removed the bottom paint last summer I discovered that the gelcoat
and even the substrate of the hull was damaged where the boat sat against
the front struts of the trailer. Fortunately it isn't difficult to fix and
the repair is ultimately covered by the bottom paint. I would look carefully
in that area especially if you remove the existing paint. I repaired the
glass by grinding out the damaged areas and replacing with multiple layers
of cloth and epoxy. I plan to add some reinforcement to the inside of the
hull this summer - particularly in that region as the fibreglass is thin
there and dents badly on the trailer. Newer boats were built with thicker
hulls to address that problem.

Just because I had these problems does not mean that any of them will apply
to you. But they did seem to me to be weak spots and you might be reassured
to know they aren't a problem in your case.

Take care,

Graham Stewart

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Hi Graham,

Thank you for the welcome. I'm gobsmacked there are only two Rhodes in the
whole country. Throw a rock in any marina and you'll hit a Catalina 22 - a
very inferior design to the Rhodes to my mind.

My sympathies for your major restoration.  I have neither the skills nor the
patience and am praying that my hull is sound. But it is good to know
someone out there knows. I went to Queen's U and know Bath well. Beautiful
country, and great sailing around Kingston. I'd love to trailer my boat up
there - going up the Richelieu from Lake Champlain and then up through the
endless locks to Lake Ontario is something I have done once and don't need
to do again! But I read somewhere that porta-potties are forbidden on
Ontario lakes so I'd have to plumb in a head and holding tank or risk
getting busted.

I pulled the tarp off Patience this morning and sat in the cabin taking
stock until my feet froze. Bring on Spring!

Jefferson

On 15-03-28 12:28 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>Jefferson:
>I am very excited to see that there may now be two Rhodes 22 boats in 
>Canada. Welcome.
>
>My boat, Agile, is hull number GBX220052G76 making mine a 1976 as well.
>The
>number on the sail is 244. Your boat was built in May and mine in July 
>of that year so they should be almost identical. I have been doing a 
>major restoration and in the process have dissected almost every part 
>of the boat so if you need to know more about what is under the skin of 
>the boat I should be able to tell you. I am located on Lake Ontario at 
>Kinston.
>
>Here is to great sailing.
>
>Graham
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
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>I am the new owner of a '76 Rhodes, hull number GBX220092E76. Despite 
>my admiration for the beauty and ingenuity of the boat's design I would 
>likely not have dared to make the jump if I hadn't discovered this site 
>and the generosity and patience of its contributors. I feel honoured to 
>join your ranks.
>
>About me: I grew up in a sailing family. Back in the dawn of time when 
>dinosaurs roamed the earth we sailed 14' Ackroyd dinghies, then Rhodes 
>Bantams, and on to Lightnings and Flying Dutchmen and most recently 
>Flying Scots. I discovered cruising  when a good friend bought a 
>Catalina 25, and promptly came down with 2 foot-itis - 25 became a 
>Catalina 27, then a Columbia 31 and finally a Mirage 26. We sailed on Lake
Ontario, up the St.
>Lawrence River past Quebec City, and all over Lake Champlain - which is 
>really an inland sea 100 miles long and up to 10 miles wide in places.
>
>Then he sold the Mirage, and I thought well hell, now what am I going 
>to do?
>After a lot of looking, I came across the Rhodes and fell in love.
>
>The boat: named "Patience," which feels quite appropriate consider how 
>long I looked for it. Among the papers inherited from the previous 
>owner is the yellowed but legible order sheet for the boat in 1976, 
>from GBC in Irvington-on-Hudson. With all the options the original 
>owner chose the bill for a brand spanking new Rhodes Continental came 
>to $8,095.  The second owner bought the boat in the early '80's andy 
>sailed it on the Ottawa River, and then 22 years ago, so he told me, 
>they bought a cottage on a lake too small for sailing and it has 
>remained on its trailer under cover ever since.
>I did a pretty thorough inspection with someone more experienced than 
>I, and it seems to be in pretty good shape. All original, including 
>cushion covers, the icebox, porta-potty and two burner alcohol stove 
>that was standard on RC models in '76.  It is equipped with a 150 
>genoa. The work it needs seems to be mostly cosmetic, aside from 
>running rigging which needs to be updated, and if it doesn't sink to 
>the bottom on launch day I'll be delighted.
>
>I'm going to moor it on Lake Memphremagog this summer while I work on 
>it, and then on Lake Champlain. I plan to send 10% of the price I paid 
>to Stan, which isn't going to thrill him since I didn't pay much, and 
>in Canadian dollars, but seems the right thing to do anyway. I'm not 
>sure what I'll be able to afford to buy from General Boats, given the 
>current exchange rates and my own budget. But it will be my first stop 
>when I go shopping.
>
>So that's me and Patience, slowly emerging from the melting snow. I 
>have about six million questions but will try not to test your 
>patience. I can't download any attachments with "Old Nabble" in the 
>address, and if anyone could enlighten me I will continue to scour the 
>archives for answers.
>
>Jefferson Lewis
>
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