[Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
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Tue Mar 31 20:35:22 EDT 2015
Bob:
Don't let me spook you. Any boat that old is bound to have some problems but
just about anything can be fixed. The trick is to not let problems go too
long - especially problems with the deck core. Some, if not all, of the
problems I identified are probably unique to my boat. I don't know whether
the contractors who built the older boats did the layup or just assembled
the parts. Nor do I know how many contractors were used and what the
differences might be between them.
Many of the older boats have problems with the floor stringers rotting out -
which is not a surprise given that the bilge is often wet and the stringers
are wood.
What is the ballast arrangement with your boat? In mine I have a stack of
steel bars fiberglassed to the hull just forward of the forward bulkhead.
Some boats apparently have cement there.
Graham
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What years were built where and by whom?
Bob (palatka)
> On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:59 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Graham - thanks for clarifying the porta-potti issue. And for the
> invitation!
>
> I didn't realize 76's were built by 3rd parties. That's unsettling. I
> will check out my keel, bearing in mind the problems you have had. And
> the other flaws you detected.
>
> Much appreciated,
>
> Jefferson
>
> On 15-03-29 3:55 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
>> Jefferson:
>> You can use a porta-pottie on Ontario waters so long as it is fixed
>> in place and has a deck pump out. Most porta-potties have kits for
>> this purpose. No need for a separate holding tank.
>>
>> You would be most welcome if you make the trip to my place and can
>> tie up at my dock given that my boat is still on the hard. I also
>> have a mooring that you can use. I am located just west of Lemoines
>> Point on the north Shore of Lake Ontario.
>>
>> The Rhodes 22 were built under contract with 3rd parties in 1976 and
>> as a result some of the construction details were lacking. A few
>> things that you might want to check on the boat that might cause
>> problems.
>>
>> - The transom rings were installed without nuts on the inside,
>> - the deck leaked where the air vent for the holding tank went
>> through the deck at the front - you may not have one if you don't
>> have a holding tank but that is a prime spot for water to make its
>> way into the core.. The softness that my deck developed when walked
>> on was not due to rot as I suspected but was because the deck skin
>> simply separated from the core, There was minimal sealant used to
>> join the two surfaces and it simply let go. That is actually good
>> news as it is possible to reattach the core by injecting epoxy under
>> the skin rather than having to remove the deck and replace the core. I
discovered this the hard way.
>> - The keel on my boat split open at the bottom of the keel at the
>> centreboard slot. I could only see it by laying flat on my back
>> right under the keel - a position I rarely found myself in. The sharp
>> corner seems to be the weakest point. Of course you might well not
>> have that problem and I have no idea why it developed in mine, but by
>> the time I realized that I had this problem it was probably years
>> from the time it started and a crack had spread all the way around
>> the centreboard opening. I only noticed the problem when I saw some
>> of the internal filling hanging from the keel. I suspect that some
>> water got into the keel and froze. I discovered that there were large
>> voids in the keel where water could collect in substantial volume if
>> it found its way in. It took 3 gallons of resin to fill the voids
>> that I was able to find. My advice is to check it out before you
>> launch. You probably will not have that problem but given that our
>> boats were built so close together and potentially by the same
>> builder it might be a reasonably prudent examination to make.
>> - The cap on my centreboard housing had been installed with a layer
>> of fibreglass over it and the flange sealed with something like 3M
>> 5200. I suspect that might have been a repair done by a subsequent
>> owner but I can't be sure. It was a pain to remove the cap and
>> impossible to do so without badly damaging it.
>> - When I removed the bottom paint last summer I discovered that the
>> gelcoat and even the substrate of the hull was damaged where the boat
>> sat against the front struts of the trailer. Fortunately it isn't
>> difficult to fix and the repair is ultimately covered by the bottom
>> paint. I would look carefully in that area especially if you remove
>> the existing paint. I repaired the glass by grinding out the damaged
>> areas and replacing with multiple layers of cloth and epoxy. I plan
>> to add some reinforcement to the inside of the hull this summer -
>> particularly in that region as the fibreglass is thin there and dents
>> badly on the trailer. Newer boats were built with thicker hulls to
>> address that problem.
>>
>> Just because I had these problems does not mean that any of them will
>> apply to you. But they did seem to me to be weak spots and you might
>> be reassured to know they aren't a problem in your case.
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
>> 22 Email List
>> Sent: March-29-15 1:02 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>
>> Hi Graham,
>>
>> Thank you for the welcome. I'm gobsmacked there are only two Rhodes
>> in the whole country. Throw a rock in any marina and you'll hit a
>> Catalina 22 - a very inferior design to the Rhodes to my mind.
>>
>> My sympathies for your major restoration. I have neither the skills
>> nor the patience and am praying that my hull is sound. But it is good
>> to know someone out there knows. I went to Queen's U and know Bath
>> well. Beautiful country, and great sailing around Kingston. I'd love
>> to trailer my boat up there - going up the Richelieu from Lake
>> Champlain and then up through the endless locks to Lake Ontario is
>> something I have done once and don't need to do again! But I read
>> somewhere that porta-potties are forbidden on Ontario lakes so I'd
>> have to plumb in a head and holding tank or risk getting busted.
>>
>> I pulled the tarp off Patience this morning and sat in the cabin
>> taking stock until my feet froze. Bring on Spring!
>>
>> Jefferson
>>
>> On 15-03-28 12:28 PM, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Jefferson:
>>> I am very excited to see that there may now be two Rhodes 22 boats
>>> in Canada. Welcome.
>>>
>>> My boat, Agile, is hull number GBX220052G76 making mine a 1976 as well.
>>> The
>>> number on the sail is 244. Your boat was built in May and mine in
>>> July of that year so they should be almost identical. I have been
>>> doing a major restoration and in the process have dissected almost
>>> every part of the boat so if you need to know more about what is
>>> under the skin of the boat I should be able to tell you. I am
>>> located on Lake Ontario at Kinston.
>>>
>>> Here is to great sailing.
>>>
>>> Graham
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
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>>> Sent: March-28-15 10:21 AM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Permission to come aboard?
>>>
>>>
>>> I am the new owner of a '76 Rhodes, hull number GBX220092E76.
>>> Despite my admiration for the beauty and ingenuity of the boat's
>>> design I would likely not have dared to make the jump if I hadn't
>>> discovered this site and the generosity and patience of its
>>> contributors. I feel honoured to join your ranks.
>>>
>>> About me: I grew up in a sailing family. Back in the dawn of time
>>> when dinosaurs roamed the earth we sailed 14' Ackroyd dinghies, then
>>> Rhodes Bantams, and on to Lightnings and Flying Dutchmen and most
>>> recently Flying Scots. I discovered cruising when a good friend
>>> bought a Catalina 25, and promptly came down with 2 foot-itis - 25
>>> became a Catalina 27, then a Columbia 31 and finally a Mirage 26. We
>>> sailed on Lake
>> Ontario, up the St.
>>> Lawrence River past Quebec City, and all over Lake Champlain - which
>>> is really an inland sea 100 miles long and up to 10 miles wide in
places.
>>>
>>> Then he sold the Mirage, and I thought well hell, now what am I
>>> going to do?
>>> After a lot of looking, I came across the Rhodes and fell in love.
>>>
>>> The boat: named "Patience," which feels quite appropriate consider
>>> how long I looked for it. Among the papers inherited from the
>>> previous owner is the yellowed but legible order sheet for the boat
>>> in 1976, from GBC in Irvington-on-Hudson. With all the options the
>>> original owner chose the bill for a brand spanking new Rhodes
>>> Continental came to $8,095. The second owner bought the boat in the
>>> early '80's andy sailed it on the Ottawa River, and then 22 years
>>> ago, so he told me, they bought a cottage on a lake too small for
>>> sailing and it has remained on its trailer under cover ever since.
>>> I did a pretty thorough inspection with someone more experienced
>>> than I, and it seems to be in pretty good shape. All original,
>>> including cushion covers, the icebox, porta-potty and two burner
>>> alcohol stove that was standard on RC models in '76. It is equipped
>>> with a 150 genoa. The work it needs seems to be mostly cosmetic,
>>> aside from running rigging which needs to be updated, and if it
>>> doesn't sink to the bottom on launch day I'll be delighted.
>>>
>>> I'm going to moor it on Lake Memphremagog this summer while I work
>>> on it, and then on Lake Champlain. I plan to send 10% of the price I
>>> paid to Stan, which isn't going to thrill him since I didn't pay
>>> much, and in Canadian dollars, but seems the right thing to do
>>> anyway. I'm not sure what I'll be able to afford to buy from General
>>> Boats, given the current exchange rates and my own budget. But it
>>> will be my first stop when I go shopping.
>>>
>>> So that's me and Patience, slowly emerging from the melting snow. I
>>> have about six million questions but will try not to test your
>>> patience. I can't download any attachments with "Old Nabble" in the
>>> address, and if anyone could enlighten me I will continue to scour
>>> the archives for answers.
>>>
>>> Jefferson Lewis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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