[Rhodes22-list] Navionics

The Rhodes 22 Email List rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Tue May 26 10:16:28 EDT 2015 

The navionics with the sonar chart option seems to work best for me.  It also includes detailed land information that some of the other applications seem to lack.   I don't have an internet connection on the ipad but do have the bad elf for gps location.  I can also use my iphone as a hotspot to provide internet connection to the ipad.

One major problem I have with the ipad is that the boat position on the charts is off by a couple of hundred feet or so.  When sitting at my slip the device shows my location on land in the middle of  the GW Parkway.  The iphone position is fine and accurate.  navionics returned my email inquiry about this and noted it is a problem with apple ios.  

The second problem i have with the ipad is visibility in bright sunlight.  I find the iphone placed just inside the cockpit coaming in shade provides a more readable image even though the screen is a lot smaller and also has the correct boat location.

I will be experimenting with the ipad to see if I can figure out how to work around the location issue.  Has anyone else noticed this problem?  The navionics email is below.

Dear Chris Cowie,

Thank you for contacting Navionics. 

We have not tested our apps with any 3rd party external GPS receivers. These devices may function with our apps, but since we have not tested them, we cannot guarantee their functionality.

The issue you are experiencing with the external GPS is not stemming from Navionics. It is due to the all external GPS units not working w/ iOS devices after the update to iOS. It is not a fix that Navionics can do, it will come from the next iOS update. This is the message found on Dual GPS website forum "There is a bug in iOS 8.3 which blocks position information coming from Bluetooth GPS devices. The symptom is that your GPS looks like it is working, but your apps do not show your location. (Not all apps are affected, but most are.) The problem affects the XGPS150, XGPS160 and XGPS170 as well as Bluetooth GPS devices from other manufacturers. We have contacted Apple it, and they are aware of the issue. We do not have an ETA from them for a fix, but they are treating it as a priority. In the meantime, some (but not all) users are getting around the bug by turning off Location Services, rebooting the iOS device, and turning Location Services back on. - See more at: http://gps.dualav.com/faq/xgps150-150a-150e/#sthash.dMYaO0kX.dpuf"

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,
Megan Frantz
Navionics Customer Service

Christopher P. Cowie    

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711 ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]


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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 1:24 AM
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Navionics

Well looks like I have entered electronics zone.  I lay aside my Commodore computer, my floppy discs and brick phone and take the plunge.  Kidding aside I am excited to be doing this.  I'll spend a week but no more getting the boat ready and leave around the 20th of June or a bit sooner.  We will try and meet up with the NW rally for a week and extend it for a week or two then fly back for my son's wedding, then back to Canada and Desolation Sound.  That should give me time to practice and get comfortable with the electronic navigation.  It is all line of sight (when there is no fog) and lots of navigation  aids and landmarks so I can constantly monitor my conclusions and suppositions with traditional triangulation and basic GPS.
By the time we head down to Mexico Alice and I should be pretty fluent in iPad navigation.  By the time we cross over to the Bahamas in the spring next year I think any bugs and glitches will all be worked out and Alice and I can sit back and enjoy the technology.  I'll be back on when I need some advice and won't be shy about asking.  Thanks again everyone.

Chris & Alice Geankoplis
SV  "ΕΝΟΣΙΣ"


On Sun, May 24, 2015 at 3:52 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Chris:
>
> We have an iPad version 1 (with GPS) running iNavx since 2011 and have 
> been very happy with it. Have it in Otter Box and mounted via a Ram 
> mount to the right of the cockpit. Do need a Bimini up during the day 
> as the sun can overheat it and it shuts down - and helps with seeing 
> it. The NOAA chart updates are free with iNavx. If also is integrated 
> with Ayetides for tidal info. You can turn on the data plan and get 
> weather radar as needed. The Otter Box case is not 100% weather proof 
> so we have a plastic sleeve can slip over it if (rarely) needed. I 
> think later Otter Boxes are more weatherproof.
>
> We also have mounted a Garmin GPS III Plus showing only speed and it 
> is wired into the VHF for DSC/GMDSS.
>
> Dave McGee
> Washington, D.C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Rhodes 22 Email List [mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org]
> Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 2:35 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Navionics
>
> The same as it is seeing your iPhone or Android outside in the sun. 
> The newer model screens seem to get better and better especially in the sun.
> That said, it can be somewhat difficult if it's really really bright 
> at the right angle to sun. However, all things considered I find the 
> trade off well worth it. I tend to use the Bimini if it's really 
> sunny.
>
> Cheers,
> Ted
>
> S/V AIRPOWER
> 1991/2013 R22
> Boston, MA (soon to be Jacksonville, FL)
>
>
>
> > On May 23, 2015, at 10:48 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Ted
> > One question ... How difficult is it to see that iPad chart on a 
> > bright
> sunny day? Especially from the tiller position.
> >
> > Many thanks
> >
> >
> > Charles
> > s/v Daydream
> > 98 R 22
> >
> >> On May 23, 2015, at 9:32 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Chris,
> >>
> >> A few more thoughts. The Navionics app gives you three chart view
> options
> Govt, Navionics, and Sonar. The sonar charts are being continuously 
> updated based on user net updates. They are by far the most accurate in my waters.
> >>
> >> You also might want to look into mount options. I have two Ram 
> >> Mounts as
> you can see in this picture. One holds my phone in the other holds my iPad.
> http://www.rammount.com/products/apple/ipadair
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> >> I also have a Bluetooth stereo in the cabin with speakers in cabin 
> >> and
> cockpit. This gives me the ability to stream music from my phone or 
> iPad while in the cockpit. I am able to adjust volume or genre based 
> on crew preferences.
> >>
> >> Now if I can figure out how to mount a Kegerator I'd be all set.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Ted
> >>
> >> S/V AIRPOWER
> >> 1991/2013 R22
> >> Jacksonville, FL
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Ted
> >>
> >> S/V AIRPOWER
> >> 1991/2013 R22
> >> Boston, MA (soon to be Jacksonville, FL)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Chris,
> >>>
> >>> iNavX can import just about any kind of chart. 
> >>> http://www.inavx.com It
> can run on both devices iPhone and iPad. It can also act as a repeater 
> using a wifi connection by transferring NMEA data over TCP/IP. In 
> other words to can connect to other boat instruments like autopilot, 
> AIS, speed, wind, and depth. Obviously, this isn't something we use on 
> our small boats, but you could if you really want to. It's the full 
> featured option and runs about
> $50 in the App Store.
> >>>
> >>> I prefer the Navionics App 
> >>> http://www.navionics.com/en/mobile-pc-app-1
> >>> It's simple to use and has tons of great features. It's comes with 
> >>> free
> Government charts, but you can buy Navionics charts as well.
> >>>
> >>> There are other chart-plotter apps (Garmin Bluechart) on the 
> >>> market
> with
> new ones coming out all the time.
> >>>
> >>> If I were you I'd buy a 64 gig IPad Air 2 or whatever the latest
> version
> is when you decide to buy. Now the question is, do you want wifi only 
> or an iPad that has wifi and cellular data (4G LTE) as well. The 
> latter has a built in GPS while the former will require a separate GPS 
> device like a Bad Elf and Garmin GLO. These little devices give your 
> wifi only iPad a GPS capability using Bluetooth. I've found my Garmin 
> Glo to be highly accurate and I hear great things about the Bad Elf gizmo as well.
> >>>
> >>> http://bad-elf.com
> >>>
> >>>
> https://buy.garmin.com/en-US/US/oem/sensors-and-boards/glo-/prod109827
> .html
> >>>
> >>> You may consider getting a waterproof case like a Lifeproof. There 
> >>> are
> other a ton of other options as well.
> http://www.lifeproof.com/shop/us_en/ipad-air-2-case-nuud/
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Ted
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On May 23, 2015, at 12:25 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Ted and Chris,
> >>>>                    I am at the point of really needing a good 
> >>>> ipad based navigation system.  So if it is OK, do you mind if I 
> >>>> call you
> guys
> >>>> and we can talk about your experiences and recommendations. I've
> always
> >>>> gone old school with paper charts but it isn't practical or
> convienient
> >>>> with my current plans.  Any additional links or info you might
> suggest.
> >>>> Also what is the memory on the iPod Airs?  16, 32, 64 128 gig?  
> >>>> Do you Raster or Vector charts or both?  I will be making the 
> >>>> purches in the
> next
> >>>> couple of weeks.  Any suggestions would be great.
> >>>> ChrisGeankoplis
> >>>> Medford, OR
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, May 22, 2015 at 11:00 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < 
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Chris,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The t-box is on my birthday list. I think they are around $160. 
> >>>>> I use
> my
> >>>>> iPad Air and my IPhone with great success. I've got navionics,
> garmin,
> and
> >>>>> i navx installed on each device. Navionics is my favorite. Is 
> >>>>> very
> simple
> >>>>> and no internet connection required as long as you download the
> charts
> >>>>> before you loose connectivity. I use the garmin glo to add GPS 
> >>>>> to my
> wifi
> >>>>> only IPad Air. Works like a charm.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Ted
> >>>>>
> >>>>> S/V AIRPOWER
> >>>>> 1991/2013 R22
> >>>>> Jacksonville, FL
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On May 22, 2015, at 11:51 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I will be using an ipad air no internet connection with the
> navionics
> >>>>>> software and the bad elf gps.  I notice that navioinics has a 
> >>>>>> sonar
> chart
> >>>>>> option that is produced by users submitting their sonar data.
> Another
> >>>>>> company makes the SonarPHone T-box that works with the 
> >>>>>> navionics
> sonar
> >>>>>> charts no internet required.  Has anyone worked with these or
> similar
> >>>>>> products?  I think Ted has the ipad and bad elf but I am not 
> >>>>>> sure
> what
> >>>>>> software he is using.  The water depth on the Potomac River 
> >>>>>> near DC
> is
> >>>>> very
> >>>>>> limited and having more detailed sonar information seems like a
> useful
> >>>>> tool.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.navionics.com/en
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://www.navionics.com/en/sonarphone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://bad-elf.com/collections/gps-products/products/be-gps-220
> >>>>>> 0
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----
> >>>>>> Christopher P. Cowie
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> >>>>>> Suite 300
> >>>>>> Washington, DC 20007
> >>>>>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile 
> >>>>>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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