[Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers

The Rhodes 22 Email List rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Tue Sep 15 15:49:36 EDT 2015


Chris,

It sounds like you need a bilge pump like on Lake Erie.

Rick

Regards,

Rick

On Tue, Sep 15, 2015 at 3:38 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> A few years ago I sailed my Rhodes for two hours directly into breaking
> waves on the Chesapeake Bay heading to the Annapolis Sailboat Show and
> managed to fill the bilge up to the floor boards with water breaking over
> the bow and finding it's way inside the cabin.  Not something I would want
> to do for more than a couple of hours but it was a lot of fun.
>
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ● 202.342.2691 fax ● 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 10:12 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Scuppers
>
> Rummy:
> I wasnt considering putting myself or vessel into those conditions but i
> appreciate your succinct opinion.  As you know the R22 cannot be considered
> a blue water boat.  Cockpit size is the first reason, its also what makes
> it such a comfortable intra-coastal and inland vessel.
> Other issues are a flat deck, flat cabin top, low ballast to displacement
> ratio, low stern freeboard, and low companion way bridge deck.
> 12 hours for a 45 mile passage would allow time for surprise weather and
> gulf stream conditions change quite quickly.
> Be careful and wise.
> If you must have a blue water trailerable keep the Rhodes and also buy a
> Flicka 20.
>
> Bob (palatka)
>
> > On Aug 13, 2015, at 4:22 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Bob,
> > All things considered, I can't for the life of me think of a situation
> > that would swamp the cockpit to the seats. If you are stupid enough to
> > be out in a 22  foot boat in those conditions, I believe you deserve
> > whatever happens to you.  Keeping an eye on weather and wave
> > conditions is sailing class 101.
> >
> > Rummy
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 8/13/2015 1:38:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
> >
> > I was  thinking of adding drains in addition to the existing drains.
> >
> > If  you are swamped to your seats at sea you will probably capsize....
> The
> > bow  will rise, and she might roll.   With luck she would dump water and
> > self right.  If turtled her chances of self righting go way down.
>  Large 3"
> > scupper pipes exiting the stern would go a long way toward stopping
> > the cockpit from filling.  This is part of the thinking Hunter used
> > for  making open stern sailing "sleds".
> > There is a reason a 43' sailboat has a  smaller cockpit than the R22
> > and has two 3" drains.
> > If the weather window  is perfect you should make it.  Pray that no
> > sudden storms rise  up.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >>> On Aug 13, 2015, at 10:21 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email  List
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Graham,
> >> Perhaps I'm missing something here. It doesn't appear that you  have
> > added a
> >> scupper, you simply replaced the existing GB drainage  system with
> >> different  fittings. One on the cockpit floor and  the other the seat.
> >>
> >> Rummy
> >>
> >>
> >> In a  message dated 8/13/2015 9:11:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org writes:
> >>
> >> Larry:
> >> Here are  the pictures of the deck and cockpit  scuppers.
> >> Underside photo  shows where I ground down the surface to  something
> >> reasonably  flat and then used the plywood donut that I sanded to  a
> wedge
> >> shape to give a lower surface that was parallel to the upper   surface.
> >> Otherwise the scupper goes in at an angle.
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham  Stewart
> >> Agile. R22, 1976
> >> Kingston  Ontario  Canada
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original  Message-----
> >> From:  rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of The Rhodes
> >> 22 Email List
> >> Sent: August 12, 2015 6:32   PM
> >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Cockpit  Scuppers
> >>
> >> Graham,
> >>
> >> It would be  great to see photos of  this
> >>
> >> Larry Allen
> >> Makai
> >> Sarasota
> >> larrywallen at verizon.net
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of The Rhodes
> >> 22 Email List
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015   4:45 PM
> >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> >> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Cockpit Scuppers
> >>
> >> I changed the subject  of this line to reflect the  contents relating
> >> to cockpit  scubbers.
> >>
> >> Yes, in fact I just finished  installing  cockpit scuppers about 20
> > minutes
> >> ago - having started 3 years   ago. In my boat (79) the cockpit drains
> > above
> >> the lazarette originally  had  3/4" mushroom thru-hulls. These small
> >> thru-hulls were  constantly being  clogged and seemed inadequate to
> >> me
> > when
> >> the  cockpit needed to drain  quickly.
> >>
> >> The area around where  they were placed was depressed -  presumably
> >> so the water would  funnel into the drain. The depression was
> >> defeated by the mushroom cap and so water always pooled around the
> >> thru-hull and
> > stained
> >> the
> >> gel coat. The same was true for the cockpit drain   where the mushroom
> cap
> >> prevented the all the water from draining   out.
> >>
> >> Years ago I simply removed the 3/4" " thru-hulls and  replaced them
> >> with
> > 1
> >> 1/2" ones in the deck and transom. That let  the water flow with much
> > less
> >> clogging but I still got the pool  around the thru-hull.
> >>
> >> I have  since installed flush  mounted scuppers in both  the deck and
> >> in
> > the
> >> cockpit  drain. For the deck drains, I filled the depression with epoxy
> > with
> >> fairing powder and then sanded it flush with the surrounding  area. I
> > then
> >> painted the entire deck of the boat but you could  patch the area
> >> with
> > gel
> >> coat. I was planning to paint the deck  anyway.
> >>
> >> I used a Dremel  with a sanding drum to create  the hole with bevel
> >> sides
> > and
> >> then made a  donut of plywood that  I attached under the hole with
> > thickened
> >> epoxy for  strength and  depth. The ones under the deck has to be
> >> tapered
> > to
> >> fit as the   bottom side of the deck is not horizontal to the deck.
> >>
> >> I now  have  flush-mounted scuppers that should eliminate the problem
> >> of water stains.  This was not a particularly difficult job  but it
> >> took longer
> > than
> >> you might  expect as it is fussy.
> >>
> >> I can send photos if you want them
> >>
> >> Graham   Stewart
> >> Agile. R22, 1976
> >> Kingston Ontario  Canada
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of The Rhodes
> >> 22 Email List
> >> Sent: August 12, 2015 2:10   PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]  Chris'  Bahamian Adventure
> >>
> >> The rhodes has a very large  cockpit...above  waterline. Has anyone
> >> added large stern scuppers  to help rid the cockpit of  water in
> >> rough
> > conditions?
> >>
> >>>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:48 AM, The  Rhodes 22 Email  List
> >>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Helen,
> >>>
> >>> If you have not already, check  out the  archives for Bill's last
> >>> Bahamas
> >> Adventure  in his R22.
> >>>
> >>> He went with his son and a friend and  had a blast. He chronicled
> >>> his
> >> journey in detail and is a great  storyteller.
> >>>
> >>> Now, I  just need to find someone  crazy enough to crew with me. My
> >>> admiral is  not comfortable  in open water :(
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Ted
> >>>
> >>> S/V AIRPOWER
> >>> 1991/2013 Jacksonville, FL
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 12, 2015, at 10:07 AM, The  Rhodes 22 Email  List
> >> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> We  have made the trip to the  Bahama's many times...but never in a
> >>>> Rhodes22...:)  I  think that is the perfect Bahama's boat.  We went
> >>>> over every other year for almost 10 years while living aboard our
> >>>> cruising  boat..My husband and I have both commented  while
> >>>> refurbishing out Rhodes22...how  nice it  would be to take  her
> >>>> over..health and age will prevent  us...but we sure admire you  all
> >>>> getting together to  make that trip..We normally checked in at  Bimini
> >>>> and  did the normal route  .....   Chub...Nassau... down to
> > Georgetown
> >>>> stopping at all the out  islands along the  Exumas..across to  Long
> >>>> and then up to Cat  and  through the upper Bahamas and home to Port
> >> Canaveral...We enjoyed  every  trip...Hopefully you will send reports
> >> as
> > you
> >> go...:):)
> >>>> ENJOY!!!!!!!!!    Helen
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> In a  message dated 8/12/2015 9:53:57  A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org  writes:
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris,
> >>>> Are you  talking about the Sapona?  It is located  near Alicetown,
> >> Bimini.
> >>
> >>>> It is an old concrete ship  (constructed out of   concrete, that is)
> >>>> that was  used as target practice during WWII  and was the  target
> >>>> for the practice run of the "Lost  Patrol" of Bermuda  Triangle
> >>>> fame.  It was also used as  a  staging area for running alcohol during
> >>>> prohibition.   And  a great place to snorkel and scuba dive.  Or...are
> >>>> you  talking about an even older wreck...maybe some  treasure hunting?
> >>>>
> >>>> I  would like to make  another run over there and may join if
> >>>> schedule permits.  Between you, Ted, me, and anyone else, we  would
> >>>> have a
> > nice
> >>>> little flotilla ... and maybe create some   marketing buzz to
> >>>> re-kickstart  Stan's  boatbuilding  business.
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill  W.
> >>>> s/v Fina   Lee
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original  Message-----
> >>>> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> >>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org]  On Behalf Of The
>  Rhodes
> >>>> 22 Email List
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, August  12, 2015  1:48  AM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email  List
> >>>> Subject:  Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris'  Bahamian  Adventure
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Ted,
> >>>> I'm open  and flexible as far as a launch point.  Key  Largo sounds
> > good.
> >>
> >>>> Bimini is the easiest to check into  and I  want to check out a  wreck
> >>>> that is in the  area.   Very, very old. and not mentioned by anyone
> >>>> I've
> >> talked  to.
> >>>> We would stay  in the Bahamas for 4-6 weeks I should   think.  I would
> >>>> be thrilled to have another Rhodes or two to  tag   along.
> >>>> Timewise I think it would be in April.  I   would like to get  back to
> >>>> Fl by no later than mid May  so I  can ship the boat to Italy by early
> >>>> June.   Lets keep in  touch, maybe recruit a few fellow Rhodies?
>  I'll
> >> send some links  on
> >>>> what the Enosis is up to  in a couple of weeks or  so.   Things never
> >> quite
> >>
> >>>> go as you plan.
> >>>> Chris  G.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at  10:06 AM,  The  Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>   wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Chris,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope all  is well. I am very  interested in hearing more about the
> >>>>> Bahamian plans.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After  reading about Bill W's infamous Bahamian Adventure and your
> >>>>> upcoming plans, I may be interested (and crazy enough) in  the
> >>>>> possibilities of tagging along with S/V Airpower.  I've made the
> >>>>> Gulf Stream crossing many times as a  kid growing up in south
> >>>>> Florida, but that was in  powerful multi engine fishing  boats.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where do you  plan to launch? I  assume  somewhere around Key Largo.
> >>>>> You may want to    consider this trailer sailor friendly marina.
> >>>>> http://southdademarina.com/.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Will you  clear  immigration in  Bimini? Where will you head from
> > there?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> When do you think you   might head south? You mentioned  in the
> >>>>> spring, but  do you have a  target month? March?  April?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Ted (have  EPIRB,   will travel)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> S/v   Airpower
> >>>>> Jacksonville,  FL
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 11:34 AM, The Rhodes 22  Email  List  <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I  shall keep all of you  guys in mind and  let you know about
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>> "disposable
> >>>>>> equipment".  An you guys know me, I can't  help  but journal
> >>>>>> about Enosis
> >>>>> and
> >>>>>> Rhodes in  general.  Also anyone and  any  time is more than
> >>>>>> welcome to come along in  their boat for  any segment of the
> >>>>>> grand adventure,
> >
> >>>>>> it would  be
> >>>>> fun.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Chris &   Alice
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at  7:25 AM,  The Rhodes 22 Email List  <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Chris,  Bon voyage in the Med!  Please  keep  a narrative and
> >>>>>>> photo
> >>>>> journal
> >>>>>>> of  your wanderings- all of us on  the  list will be a rapt
> > audience.
> >>>>>>>     Please also  keep  me in mind for the trailer and the truck
> >>>>>>> as well.
> >>>>>>> Richard Arking,  R22 in Sheepshead Bay,   Brooklyn, ny
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Apr 1,  2015 at 1:37 AM,  The  Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Oh,
> >>>>>>>> If anyone  is  interested, I will be placing "Enosis" on a
> >>>>>>>> roll-on-Roll-off freighter bound for Italy  next  spring.  I
> >>>>>>>> will
> >>>>> transfer
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>> to a  cheap throw away trailer.  I  currently am using a really
> >>>>>>>> nice
> >>>>>>>> 2003  Triad trailer designed for the  Rhodes.  It has  electric
> >>>>>>>> breaks  and
> >>>>> brand
> >>>>>>>> new 9 ply trailer  tires.   I'll probably put less than 12,000
> >>>>>>>> miles  on
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> tires when I  am   ready to sell.  So, if you are thinking about a
> >
> >>>>>>>> trailer
> >>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> great shape and well cared  for, for  next  season, let me know.
> I
> >>>>>>>> was  thinking   about selling the tow vehicle which is a 2003
> F-250
> >
> >>>>>>>> diesel
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> only 101K.  The truck was  garage   kept its whole life.  Well up
> >>>>>>>> until
> >>>>> now,
> >>>>>>>> and I will store it  under a cover  most of the  time.  So as I
> >>>>>>>> get
> >
> >>>>>>>> near sending Enosis on its   Mediterranian  tour, I'll let you
> guys
> >>>>>>>> know  about
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> truck.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Mar  24, 2015 at 10:33 AM, The  Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>  wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Oh, and I  forgot to mention that I  may  join you for part of
> >>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>> Bahamas
> >>>>>>>>> trip.  With so many Rhodes in the  East Coast area maybe we can
> >>>>>>>>> get   a
> >>>>>>>> small
> >>>>>>>>> group  together.  Please keep us posted on your   plans.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bill   Wickman
> >>>>>>>>> s/v Fina   Lee
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original   Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
> >>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes  22
> >>>>>>>>> Email
> >>>>>>>> List
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015  11:23  AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22  Email  List
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22  & Sailing Desolation
> >>>>>>>>> Sound
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I for one am REALLY looking forward  to  reading about the
> >>>>>>>>> adventures of  Enosis.    Chris weaves a really good yarn of his
> >>>>>>>>> trips with  the   perfect
> >>>>>>>> mix
> >>>>>>>>> of  pictures and   descriptions that paints a vivid picture of
> >>>>>>>>> what it   is
> >>>>>>>> like
> >>>>>>>>> to  "be  there".
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Bill   Wickman
> >>>>>>>>> s/v Fina   Lee
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>> From:   rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org  [mailto:
> >>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22
> >>>>>>>>> Email
> >>>>>>>> List
> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 24, 2015  1:56  AM
> >>>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes  22  Email  List
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re:  [Rhodes22-list]  Rhodes22  & Sailing Desolation
> >>>>>>>>> Sound
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Glad  you enjoyed the tale  Patrick.  My wife and I plan  on an
> >>>>>>>>> encore of
> >>>>>>>> all
> >>>>>>>>> the best sailing adventures we've had  in  the last 20 years,
> >>>>>>>>> and then
> >>>>>>>> some.
> >>>>>>>>> So 2  months in Desolation sound is on the calendar this
> > summer.
> >>>>>>>>> Then
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> repeat of the  Mexican adventure but for 5  months this
> >>>>>>>>> comming
> >>>> winter.
> >>>>>>>> Then
> >>>>>>>>> a repeat of the  Bahama  adventures  in the following spring but
> >>>>>>>>> only    for
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>> month  or  so.  Then stick  the boat on a freighter and over to
> >>>>>>>>> Italy
> >>>>> next
> >>>>>>>>> summer.  I'll try to post  the  adventures  and anyone
> >>>>>>>>> interesting
> >
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>> meeting
> >>>>>>>>> us  along the way on their  boat, we would  welcome some
> >>>>>>>>> Rhodie
> >>>> company.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Chris &  Alice
> >>>>>>>>> Enosis
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On  Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 7:36 PM,  The  Rhodes 22 Email List <
> >>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>   wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I  was wandering by  www.rhodes22.com recently and came  across
> >>>>>>>>>> the odyssey of Enosis on the  front   page.  Downloadable .pdf
> >>>>>>>>>> files of  Chris'   adventures.
> >>>>>>>>>> Some of you may   enjoy the read as I  did.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> For some reason  with the first  file  I had to right-click
> >>>>>>>>>> on it and open in a  new window (windows exploder and chrome)
> >>>>>>>>>> but the
> >
> >>>>>>>>>> rest
> >>>>>>> opened
> >>>>>>>>>> with just a   click.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -Patrick
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