[Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route

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Fri Sep 25 21:09:27 EDT 2015


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Bob (palatka)

> On Sep 25, 2015, at 2:59 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
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> Graham, 
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> Considering the weight of the center board is about 200 lbs,  and it doesn't displace much water,  I'm guessing the only assistance you are going to get is about 15 lbs of buoyancy (couple gallons of water displaced),  so the keel's effective weight without the blocks will be like trying to lift 175lbs with the pennant. 
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> From:"The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Date:Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 11:56 AM
> Subject:Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route
> 
> Graham,
> 
> I had the system with the blocks on my '81.  I replaced the blocks from Dwyer once in 33 years for pocket change.  My '91 has the diamond board without blocks and is too heavy for my wife to raise.  As I age, I look to more mechanical advantage rather than less. 
> 
> My last order for spares from Dwyer (https://www.dwyermast.com/families.asp?cat1ID=70&cat1Name=Blocks)
> in August of this year was as follows:
> 
> DH 441    - Shroud Adjuster    1 Ordered @     $10.10/ea    Item Total - $10.10
> DH 855    - Shackle        3 Ordered @     $4.70/ea    Item Total - $14.10
> DH 921    - Eye Strap        3 Ordered @     $1.50/ea    Item Total - $4.50
> DH 923    - Eye Strap        1 Ordered @     $4.00/ea    Item Total - $4.00
> DH 912    - Swivel Block        5 Ordered @     $10.90/ea    Item Total - $54.50
> DH 911    - Bullet Block        3 Ordered @     $7.50/ea    Item Total - $22.50
> 
> Sub Total:  $109.70    Shipping & Handling: $13.88    CT Sales Tax: $0.00    Order Total: $123.58
> 
> Not really a lot of money to be able to replace chewed up blocks and stuff.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Windlass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
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> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 11:05 AM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route
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> I wonder if anyone has gone without blocks on the older centerboard. I like the idea of abandoning the blocks but when I "tested" it on my boat by simply trying to raise the board while on dry land it seemed to require a lot of effort. Perhaps when in the water it would be easier. On my boat I found that the blocks had all seized up so going without them might eliminate something that can, and will,  go wrong.
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> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Sent: September 24, 2015 12:26 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? centerboard line route
> 
> Yes we do have the "diamond board" and that may make a difference for the angle of the pennant to the attachment points. However, we did originally have a block or blocks. I believe (but don't
> know) that they are similar weights.
> 
> Mary Lou
> 
> At 11:46 AM 9/24/2015, you wrote:
>> Don't you have the diamond board Mary Lou?
>> Jerry
>> 
>> 
>>   We are amongst those who have dispensed with the blocks.
>>> 
>>> It makes it very easy to change out the pennant with the boat up in 
>>> slings for bottom painting (after doing it ourselves for several 
>>> years, we now pay a marina to bottom paint the boat.)  And we 
>>> haven't found it hard to raise or lower the centerboard - I do that 
>>> mostly.  It's not effortless, but it's not hard either.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Mary Lou
>>> 1991 R22 Fretless
>>> 
>>> At 11:36 AM 9/24/2015, you wrote:
>>>> Here is a crude diagram of how mine is set up on a 76 boat. The 
>>>> difference between this and Rob's is that the line starts at the cap 
>>>> rather than the centreboard. In Ron's case there will be three 
>>>> attachment points on the centerboard while with mine there are just 
>>>> two. Frankly, I would not worry too much about the route you take.
>>>> Using blocks should make raising the centerboard easier but 
>>>> apparently some have dispensed with the blocks altogether. I tested 
>>>> that myself and found that the weight on the line was substantial 
>>>> and aside for the effort to raise it, that put a lot more strain on 
>>>> the cleat. It may be, however, that the newer "diamond"
>>>> centerboards require less effort to raise.
>>>> Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From:
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>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
>>>> 22 Email List Sent:
>>>> September 23, 2015 5:07 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: 
>>>> [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? Depends on your setup, but here is one 
>>>> possible routing. - Rob 
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-lis
>> t/attachments/20140507/b8028f59/attachment.JPG
>>>> Rob Lowe -----Original Message----- From:
>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
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>>>> Wednesday, September 23, 2015 4:43 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>> Subject: Re:
>>>> [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? Might search the archives,  but I 
>>>> remember a diagram of being posted of the pendant and associated 
>>>> blocks,  I believe it listed the length of line needed.
>>>> James. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"The Rhodes 22 Email 
>>>> List"
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date:Wed, Sep 23,
>>>> 2015 at 12:49 PM Subject:Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? I agree with 
>>>> Graham. Use the yacht braid (anyone know the ideal length needed?).
>>>> Yours probably was replaced with inferior line.  Keep an eye out for 
>>>> something sharp.  I wouldnt whip the line. Bob (palatka) > On Sep 
>>>> 23, 2015, at 11:08 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List 
>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > Slim: > The line also has to 
>>>> pass through a series of blocks and I would be concerned that the 
>>>> whipping might not pass through properly. I would skip the whipping 
>>>> and try to find out what is fraying the line. Mine is still good 
>>>> after 40 years so I expect there is some rough edge rubbing on the 
>>>> line that might be corrected fairly easily. > > Graham Stewart > 
>>>> Agile. R22,
>>>> 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From:
>>>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > 
>>>> [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of The Rhodes
>>>> 22 > Email List > Sent:
>>>> September 22, 2015 10:18 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boat Show? > > Thanks all for the 
>>>> welcoming replies.
>>>> Nice to see some familiar names and old friends.
>>>> Fandango's been on the hard for a few years while I went through 
>>>> some major changes but I finally got her in the water this summer 
>>>> and remembered why I like this boat so much. I've done quite a bit 
>>>> of much-needed maintenance and still more to come but the 
>>>> centerboard line was about to break so that's the priority now. > > 
>>>> I was able to get in contact with Stan who said the neoprene gasket 
>>>> should be reusable and that any quarter inch line will do, although 
>>>> I'll look for the high quality yacht braid Bob suggests. I'm 
>>>> thinking a whipping right where it gets cleated would be a good idea 
>>>> so long as it doesn't bulk up the line too much to slide through the 
>>>> hole. While I have the line out I might drill that hole just a 
>>>> little bigger. I never want to do this job again so an anti-chafe 
>>>> whip came to mind. > > I started in on it today and took off the 
>>>> breaker panel, the big board that serves as the companionway step, 
>>>> settee and hinged passageway (all one piece), the step support and 
>>>> the floor board around the trunk. I counted 56 bolts around the 
>>>> trunk! They're ss phillips heads (many stripped out heads at that
>>>> -- don't know why they'd be stripped -- how many times has the trunk 
>>>> been removed?) with washers and lock nuts. It's a royal PITA 
>>>> removing even the bolts with the good heads to say nothing of the 
>>>> stripped ones! I got about half of them off and quit for the day. >
>>>>> This may take a while but there should be plenty of good weather
>>>> left in the season to work on it before it gets too cold so no need 
>>>> to rush through it. [grin] I'll try to get some photos and keep you 
>>>> posted. > > Thanks again everybody! > > -Slim > >> On Tue, Sep 22,
>>>> 2015 at 3:17 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < 
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >>
>>>> Slim: Use high quality yacht braid.  It will last longer than other
>>>>>> line in a cam cleat. >> The gasket is neoprene and doesnt need a
>>>> sealant. Just clean the >> surfaces really well. >> If your cap is 
>>>> put on with screws, most recommend changing to ss >> bolts and 
>>>> nylock ss nuts. >> >> Bob (palatka) >> >>>> On Sep 22, 2015, at 1:35 
>>>> PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> wrote: >>> >>> Hello dear Rhodies -- My name is Steve Alm ("Slim") 
>>>> and I live in >>> Minneapolis, MN and also in Menomonie, WI. I was 
>>>> an active list user >>> for quite a few years back before many of us 
>>>> migrated to Facebook. >>> I've had >> my >>> R22 for about 17 years 
>>>> and it needs some attention.
>>>> The centerboard >> control >>> line is getting frayed where it 
>>>> always meets the cleat when all the >>> way >> up >>> so I want to 
>>>> replace it before it breaks and I'd have no way to >>> raise >> it.
>>>> I >>> guess then I'd have a fixed keel boat, No? >>> >>> I've 
>>>> emailed Stan for a trunk gasket and possibly the line itself. I >> 
>>>> don't >>> know exactly what kind of line this is. It's stiffer than 
>>>> the stuff >>> I see at West Marine so I don't really know what to 
>>>> ask for, or if >>> it's even critical. >>> >>> Have any of y'all 
>>>> ever done this? I'd love some advice or tips on >>> the procedure.
>>>> For instance, when you put all the trunk screws back >>> in, do >> 
>>>> you >>> need to use a torque wrench to get them all the same? Gasket 
>>>> sealer >>> brand/type? >>> >>> Thanks in advance for any 
>>>> suggestions. >>> Slim >>> SV Fandango >>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 
>>>> at 12:10 PM, Rod Ellner <rodellner at icloud.com> >>
>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi List! >>>> >>>> This is from Mary (Rod’s 
>>>> wife).  I am sending this, as Slim (Steven >> Alm) >>>> has a Rhodes
>>>> 22 issue…â….and he has been “off da list†for >>>> 
>>>> awhile……(and Rummy the Rhodes Guru is no longer with us!)) >>>>
>>>>>>>> Take him “under
>>>> your wingsâ€!      Thank You! >>>> >>>> Mary
>>>> Ellner >>>> s/v Toy Blew >>>> St Croix River/WI >>>>>> On Sep 22, 
>>>> 2015, at 10:27 AM, The Rhodes 22 Email List < >>>>> 
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> General Boats is 
>>>> listed online in the Exhibitors list, but the >>>>> Rhodes >> 22
>>>>>>>> is >>>>> not listed in the boat list. Maybe Stan is just
>>>> bringing groceries >> from >>>> his >>>>> new business. >>>>> >>>>> 
>>>> Bob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Bob Weiss >>>>> Beach Spring
>>>>>>>>> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014 >>>>> -- >>>>> View this
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