From rca1000 at verizon.net  Fri Jul  1 15:00:35 2016
From: rca1000 at verizon.net (Robert Allen)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 15:00:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dining table
Message-ID: <AD2076C3-5311-4ACC-A246-E2D7466A893F@verizon.net>

Hi all, 

    Ater trailering our Rhodes from Virginia (near DC) to Cape Cod, it is delightful to sail in a large body of water with consistent winds.  I was setting up the dining table the other day and the pedestal would not secure itself into the table.  I see where there is a spring loaded piece that apparently fits just under the mounting lip so the table can be rotated for easy seating.  Not wanting to push too hard (and break something which is a very real possibility) i left it for now.  the bottom of the pedestal fits fine in both cabin and cockpit deck mounts, but I can?t get the upper part of the pedestal into the table so it doesn?t rock bad and forth on the pedestal.  What have I missed?  

Bob Allen
Fairfax, VA
s/v air force

From ohecht at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  1 21:48:28 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 21:48:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is sold
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I posted on Facebook but just in case some here aren't in that group...

I'm proud to say I'm the new owner of Fretless and she's back in the water...we'll be exploring the Rappahanock River with her starting near Urbanna and venturing further and further out hopefully to have as many adventures as possible. Mary Lou Troy and Fred were really great to deal with and learn from and I hope to care for Fretless as well as they did!  We took her out on the bay briefly before turning around due to high winds and waves so I've already successfully retrieved the boat back onto the trailer, lowered the mast and prepared for towing, towed her 200 miles without incident, and then raised the mast and re-rigged everything. Here's my favorite picture from our first short sailing trip and a link to some more on Facebook. We didn't get out until late afternoon after rigging, safety wiring, and taping everything up but now she's sitting rigged on her trailer by the ramp ready for a quick launch any time!  

Olivier Hecht

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965860183639772/permalink/2040846919474431/



> On Jun 22, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> We are delighted to say that Fretless has been sold and is off on her next adventures.
> 
> We'll let the new Rhodies introduce themselves.
> 
> Thanks for all the kind words since we announced she was for sale.
> 
> We'll be sticking around but we'll probably have less to say.
> 
> Mary Lou and Fred
> formerly 1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless
> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> soon to be in Rock Hall, MD
> 
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From rodellner at mac.com  Fri Jul  1 22:09:06 2016
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2016 21:09:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is sold
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Welcome aboard!  

Rod & Mary
St Croix River
WI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 8:48 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I posted on Facebook but just in case some here aren't in that group...
> 
> I'm proud to say I'm the new owner of Fretless and she's back in the water...we'll be exploring the Rappahanock River with her starting near Urbanna and venturing further and further out hopefully to have as many adventures as possible. Mary Lou Troy and Fred were really great to deal with and learn from and I hope to care for Fretless as well as they did!  We took her out on the bay briefly before turning around due to high winds and waves so I've already successfully retrieved the boat back onto the trailer, lowered the mast and prepared for towing, towed her 200 miles without incident, and then raised the mast and re-rigged everything. Here's my favorite picture from our first short sailing trip and a link to some more on Facebook. We didn't get out until late afternoon after rigging, safety wiring, and taping everything up but now she's sitting rigged on her trailer by the ramp ready for a quick launch any time!  
> 
> Olivier Hecht
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965860183639772/permalink/2040846919474431/
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2016, at 9:40 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> We are delighted to say that Fretless has been sold and is off on her next adventures.
>> 
>> We'll let the new Rhodies introduce themselves.
>> 
>> Thanks for all the kind words since we announced she was for sale.
>> 
>> We'll be sticking around but we'll probably have less to say.
>> 
>> Mary Lou and Fred
>> formerly 1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless
>> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
>> soon to be in Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Fri Jul  1 22:19:30 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 22:19:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
In-Reply-To: <F373FC6B-04B1-4B08-ACDF-B3C597C32E9B@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <F373FC6B-04B1-4B08-ACDF-B3C597C32E9B@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <B71CD080-D6AD-46EF-B55B-AFB5652E534E@earthlink.net>

Hi Peter. Congrats on the launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your videos have been great.

I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add one to Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut and share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number?  

The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me is little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little projects like this...

Olivier and Faith Hecht
s/v Fretless
on the Rappahanock 

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Silverheels has finally been launched for its first season on the water with my wife and me.  Two things kept the boat on its trailer in my yard longer than expected. First, about a month ago I managed to lose my balance and fall off the boat, breaking my collar-bone when I hit the ground.  Second, we hope to use the boat for cruising - voyages of up to a week long.  This would require bringing along a lot of ?stuff?, so some thought and effort went into figuring out where to put all of this ?stuff?. And, of course, having a broken collar-bone slowed this project down a bit.
> 
> I?m sure I picked up many nuggets of inspiration for all this in the trolling through the list archives that I did over the winter.  And Kim and I have both read Mary Lou?s chapter in ?Sailing Small? several times, so some ideas for provisioning have doubtless come from there as well.
> 
> Anyway, making YouTube videos is just something I do now, so there?s a video about some of the storage solutions we?ve come up with:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNDjEH-MYg <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNDjEH-MYg>
> 
> The next project is becoming better and more confident sailors.  Practice, practice, practice, I figure.  It?s going to be a long summer.
> 
> In case anyone is wondering, the location of the video is Pine Island Marina in Groton, CT.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Jul  1 23:19:24 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2016 23:19:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
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Peter:
While you are at it regarding the strut on the lazarette cover, I would be interested in knowing what was used for hinges. A close up picture would be very helpful.
Thanks for the video.
Thanks,

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
Sent: July 1, 2016 10:19 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions

Hi Peter. Congrats on the launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your videos have been great.

I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add one to Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut and share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number?  

The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me is little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little projects like this...

Olivier and Faith Hecht
s/v Fretless
on the Rappahanock 

> On Jun 28, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Silverheels has finally been launched for its first season on the water with my wife and me.  Two things kept the boat on its trailer in my yard longer than expected. First, about a month ago I managed to lose my balance and fall off the boat, breaking my collar-bone when I hit the ground.  Second, we hope to use the boat for cruising - voyages of up to a week long.  This would require bringing along a lot of ?stuff?, so some thought and effort went into figuring out where to put all of this ?stuff?. And, of course, having a broken collar-bone slowed this project down a bit.
> 
> I?m sure I picked up many nuggets of inspiration for all this in the trolling through the list archives that I did over the winter.  And Kim and I have both read Mary Lou?s chapter in ?Sailing Small? several times, so some ideas for provisioning have doubtless come from there as well.
> 
> Anyway, making YouTube videos is just something I do now, so there?s a video about some of the storage solutions we?ve come up with:
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNDjEH-MYg 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNDjEH-MYg>
> 
> The next project is becoming better and more confident sailors.  Practice, practice, practice, I figure.  It?s going to be a long summer.
> 
> In case anyone is wondering, the location of the video is Pine Island Marina in Groton, CT.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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From trimsails at gmail.com  Sat Jul  2 06:22:20 2016
From: trimsails at gmail.com (trimsails .)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 06:22:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
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Peter,

I have been enjoying your videos, thanks for doing them and keep them
coming.

I have a question for you and other Rhodies.  Have you thought about how
you would deploy your anchor quickly if needed?  For example, you find
yourself in an area of strong current when the wind dies.  You decide to
motor, but the motor doesn't start right away.  You may want the ability to
quickly drop anchor to stabilize the situation.

Should you have an anchor ready to deploy with rode stowed in the cockpit
area?   A secondary anchor perhaps, lighter than the main anchor?

Thanks,

Jerry

On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> Silverheels has finally been launched for its first season on the water
> with my wife and me.  Two things kept the boat on its trailer in my yard
> longer than expected. First, about a month ago I managed to lose my balance
> and fall off the boat, breaking my collar-bone when I hit the ground.
> Second, we hope to use the boat for cruising - voyages of up to a week
> long.  This would require bringing along a lot of ?stuff?, so some thought
> and effort went into figuring out where to put all of this ?stuff?. And, of
> course, having a broken collar-bone slowed this project down a bit.
>
> I?m sure I picked up many nuggets of inspiration for all this in the
> trolling through the list archives that I did over the winter.  And Kim and
> I have both read Mary Lou?s chapter in ?Sailing Small? several times, so
> some ideas for provisioning have doubtless come from there as well.
>
> Anyway, making YouTube videos is just something I do now, so there?s a
> video about some of the storage solutions we?ve come up with:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNDjEH-MYg <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNDjEH-MYg>
>
> The next project is becoming better and more confident sailors.  Practice,
> practice, practice, I figure.  It?s going to be a long summer.
>
> In case anyone is wondering, the location of the video is Pine Island
> Marina in Groton, CT.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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From dwbrad at gmail.com  Sat Jul  2 07:00:00 2016
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 12:00:00 +0100
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
Message-ID: <66E699D4-8994-451C-92CF-52C64ECFF358@gmail.com>

Hi Jerry. Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a Fortress anchor on its rode in a plastic crate in the laz as our primary anchor and drop from the stern then walk it to the bow. It's faster and easier and safer I think than dropping from the bow and no need to store damp rode in the cabin.  I keep a Nicro solar powered vent in the forward deck port which keeps humidity from building up in the vee berth. 

I seem to recall some back and forth on this which you can search if interested.  I believe this was the Effros method. 

For those interested, Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is still out and about in LIS, and still taking on the man.  (I'm glad to have him for a friend.)

Dave B
s/v Sea Cloud
Greenwich Cove, CT

> On Jul 2, 2016, at 11:22 AM, trimsails . <trimsails at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> 
> I have been enjoying your videos, thanks for doing them and keep them
> coming.
> 
> I have a question for you and other Rhodies.  Have you thought about how
> you would deploy your anchor quickly if needed?  For example, you find
> yourself in an area of strong current when the wind dies.  You decide to
> motor, but the motor doesn't start right away.  You may want the ability to
> quickly drop anchor to stabilize the situation.
> 
> Should you have an anchor ready to deploy with rode stowed in the cockpit
> area?   A secondary anchor perhaps, lighter than the main anchor?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jerry
> 
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Silverheels has finally been launched for its first season on the water
>> with my wife and me.  Two things kept the boat on its trailer in my yard
>> longer than expected. First, about a month ago I managed to lose my balance
>> and fall off the boat, breaking my collar-bone when I hit the ground.
>> Second, we hope to use the boat for cruising - voyages of up to a week
>> long.  This would require bringing along a lot of ?stuff?, so some thought
>> and effort went into figuring out where to put all of this ?stuff?. And, of
>> course, having a broken collar-bone slowed this project down a bit.
>> 
>> I?m sure I picked up many nuggets of inspiration for all this in the
>> trolling through the list archives that I did over the winter.  And Kim and
>> I have both read Mary Lou?s chapter in ?Sailing Small? several times, so
>> some ideas for provisioning have doubtless come from there as well.
>> 
>> Anyway, making YouTube videos is just something I do now, so there?s a
>> video about some of the storage solutions we?ve come up with:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNDjEH-MYg <
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNDjEH-MYg>
>> 
>> The next project is becoming better and more confident sailors.  Practice,
>> practice, practice, I figure.  It?s going to be a long summer.
>> 
>> In case anyone is wondering, the location of the video is Pine Island
>> Marina in Groton, CT.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jul  2 09:04:41 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 09:04:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dining table
In-Reply-To: <AD2076C3-5311-4ACC-A246-E2D7466A893F@verizon.net>
References: <AD2076C3-5311-4ACC-A246-E2D7466A893F@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <4ED44B03-0FEA-49C0-A810-51DA9FEE5507@sunnybeeches.com>

Bob,

There must be more than one design for the table support leg.  Mine has no spring, just a tube crimped on both ends that jambs into receptacles in the floor and on the underside of the table.  It does wobble just a bit.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Jul 1, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Robert Allen <rca1000 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
>    Ater trailering our Rhodes from Virginia (near DC) to Cape Cod, it is delightful to sail in a large body of water with consistent winds.  I was setting up the dining table the other day and the pedestal would not secure itself into the table.  I see where there is a spring loaded piece that apparently fits just under the mounting lip so the table can be rotated for easy seating.  Not wanting to push too hard (and break something which is a very real possibility) i left it for now.  the bottom of the pedestal fits fine in both cabin and cockpit deck mounts, but I can?t get the upper part of the pedestal into the table so it doesn?t rock bad and forth on the pedestal.  What have I missed?  
> 
> Bob Allen
> Fairfax, VA
> s/v air force
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jul  2 09:09:06 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 09:09:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
In-Reply-To: <00f201d1d410$88a2a220$99e7e660$@ca>
References: <F373FC6B-04B1-4B08-ACDF-B3C597C32E9B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <B71CD080-D6AD-46EF-B55B-AFB5652E534E@earthlink.net>
 <00f201d1d410$88a2a220$99e7e660$@ca>
Message-ID: <3B8EB753-C387-4D44-BE77-BB90AB8BC3E6@sunnybeeches.com>

Graham & Olivier,

I won?t be on the boat again until after the 4th.  I will try to remember to take pictures and measurements then.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
sv Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Peter:
> While you are at it regarding the strut on the lazarette cover, I would be interested in knowing what was used for hinges. A close up picture would be very helpful.
> Thanks for the video.
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
> Sent: July 1, 2016 10:19 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
> 
> Hi Peter. Congrats on the launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your videos have been great.
> 
> I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add one to Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut and share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number?  
> 
> The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me is little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little projects like this...
> 
> Olivier and Faith Hecht
> s/v Fretless
> on the Rappahanock 
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jul  2 09:36:15 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 09:36:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
In-Reply-To: <66E699D4-8994-451C-92CF-52C64ECFF358@gmail.com>
References: <66E699D4-8994-451C-92CF-52C64ECFF358@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A4E3FD13-DAB2-4EA0-AEA6-1647C26C45FD@sunnybeeches.com>

Jerrry,

I do it pretty much the same way as Dave, a strategy I?m sure I picked up during my extensive reading in the archives over the long winter.  The only significant difference in approach is that the anchor in my laz is a Manson Supreme (15 lb) scoop type.  The boat came with a danforth style Fortress (7 lb) mounted on the bow rail, and I figured that it would be a good idea to have more than one style.

BTW, Nicro seems to have changed their name to Marinco.

Dave, thanks for the word on Bill Effros.  Its good to hear that he?s still sailing an R22. 

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Jul 2, 2016, at 7:00 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jerry. Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a Fortress anchor on its rode in a plastic crate in the laz as our primary anchor and drop from the stern then walk it to the bow. It's faster and easier and safer I think than dropping from the bow and no need to store damp rode in the cabin.  I keep a Nicro solar powered vent in the forward deck port which keeps humidity from building up in the vee berth. 
> 
> I seem to recall some back and forth on this which you can search if interested.  I believe this was the Effros method. 
> 
> For those interested, Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is still out and about in LIS, and still taking on the man.  (I'm glad to have him for a friend.)
> 
> Dave B
> s/v Sea Cloud
> Greenwich Cove, CT
> 


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sat Jul  2 11:08:25 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 11:08:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
In-Reply-To: <66E699D4-8994-451C-92CF-52C64ECFF358@gmail.com>
References: <66E699D4-8994-451C-92CF-52C64ECFF358@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36bVumt52bhX56Y+NC6v_KWehFHiQy_Y-ijDJ1mKUf+EqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Dave,

That may work fine on a calm day in a sheltered harbor.  But when the wind
and waves are up and you need to keep yourself off the rocks, "walking" the
bitter end of your anchor line could easily pull you overboard.

For safety's sake, always launch your anchor from the bow with the bitter
end already tied off.  The R22 has a very nice arrangement designed with a
comfortable bow pulpit.  Practicing every anchor drop the safe way will
assure you of doing it right when under challenge.

Rick

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:00 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jerry. Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a Fortress anchor
> on its rode in a plastic crate in the laz as our primary anchor and drop
> from the stern then walk it to the bow. It's faster and easier and safer I
> think than dropping from the bow and no need to store damp rode in the
> cabin.  I keep a Nicro solar powered vent in the forward deck port which
> keeps humidity from building up in the vee berth.
>
> I seem to recall some back and forth on this which you can search if
> interested.  I believe this was the Effros method.
>
> For those interested, Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is still out
> and about in LIS, and still taking on the man.  (I'm glad to have him for a
> friend.)
>
> Dave B
> s/v Sea Cloud
> Greenwich Cove, CT
>

From trimsails at gmail.com  Sat Jul  2 13:11:51 2016
From: trimsails at gmail.com (trimsails .)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 13:11:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36bVumt52bhX56Y+NC6v_KWehFHiQy_Y-ijDJ1mKUf+EqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66E699D4-8994-451C-92CF-52C64ECFF358@gmail.com>
 <CABkv36bVumt52bhX56Y+NC6v_KWehFHiQy_Y-ijDJ1mKUf+EqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzmXV4qc-PYz0LFAz2AZpEi3A3fUbDU1rBRm0FJ=bcHpBTA0w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Dave and Rick,

I think you both have valid points.  How about a compromise?  I have been
thinking about this since I sail solo often.  What about storing the anchor
as Dave describes, but run the rode up through the anchor roller (I'm
assuming) with the bitter end run back to the cockpit.  The anchor could be
deployed from the cockpit and secured after an appropriate length of rode
has been deployed for the conditions.  On the minus side there would be 2
additional lines  (actually 1 looped) on deck.  And this arrangement would
not work well with the lazarette with a modification therefore the anchor
and rode would need to be stowed under a seat and lines would be an issue.
On the plus side is the ability to safely deploy the anchor from the
cockpit.  Comments?

Thanks,

Jerry (who just returned from a morning solo sail)

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> That may work fine on a calm day in a sheltered harbor.  But when the wind
> and waves are up and you need to keep yourself off the rocks, "walking" the
> bitter end of your anchor line could easily pull you overboard.
>
> For safety's sake, always launch your anchor from the bow with the bitter
> end already tied off.  The R22 has a very nice arrangement designed with a
> comfortable bow pulpit.  Practicing every anchor drop the safe way will
> assure you of doing it right when under challenge.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:00 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jerry. Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a Fortress anchor
> > on its rode in a plastic crate in the laz as our primary anchor and drop
> > from the stern then walk it to the bow. It's faster and easier and safer
> I
> > think than dropping from the bow and no need to store damp rode in the
> > cabin.  I keep a Nicro solar powered vent in the forward deck port which
> > keeps humidity from building up in the vee berth.
> >
> > I seem to recall some back and forth on this which you can search if
> > interested.  I believe this was the Effros method.
> >
> > For those interested, Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is still out
> > and about in LIS, and still taking on the man.  (I'm glad to have him
> for a
> > friend.)
> >
> > Dave B
> > s/v Sea Cloud
> > Greenwich Cove, CT
> >
> __________________________________________________
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>
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> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>

From trimsails at gmail.com  Sat Jul  2 13:13:48 2016
From: trimsails at gmail.com (trimsails .)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 13:13:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
In-Reply-To: <A4E3FD13-DAB2-4EA0-AEA6-1647C26C45FD@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <66E699D4-8994-451C-92CF-52C64ECFF358@gmail.com>
 <A4E3FD13-DAB2-4EA0-AEA6-1647C26C45FD@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzmXV7=_GXq0e9Z-FDaPJUucSN_O-6wtnwyb_dW+21smsGDaw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter,  Sorry I left you out of my response.  I appreciate your
thoughts and ideas on this anchoring issue.

Jerry

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Jerrry,
>
> I do it pretty much the same way as Dave, a strategy I?m sure I picked up
> during my extensive reading in the archives over the long winter.  The only
> significant difference in approach is that the anchor in my laz is a Manson
> Supreme (15 lb) scoop type.  The boat came with a danforth style Fortress
> (7 lb) mounted on the bow rail, and I figured that it would be a good idea
> to have more than one style.
>
> BTW, Nicro seems to have changed their name to Marinco.
>
> Dave, thanks for the word on Bill Effros.  Its good to hear that he?s
> still sailing an R22.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On Jul 2, 2016, at 7:00 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jerry. Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a Fortress anchor
> on its rode in a plastic crate in the laz as our primary anchor and drop
> from the stern then walk it to the bow. It's faster and easier and safer I
> think than dropping from the bow and no need to store damp rode in the
> cabin.  I keep a Nicro solar powered vent in the forward deck port which
> keeps humidity from building up in the vee berth.
> >
> > I seem to recall some back and forth on this which you can search if
> interested.  I believe this was the Effros method.
> >
> > For those interested, Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is still out
> and about in LIS, and still taking on the man.  (I'm glad to have him for a
> friend.)
> >
> > Dave B
> > s/v Sea Cloud
> > Greenwich Cove, CT
> >
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>

From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Sat Jul  2 20:03:03 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 20:03:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
In-Reply-To: <3B8EB753-C387-4D44-BE77-BB90AB8BC3E6@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <F373FC6B-04B1-4B08-ACDF-B3C597C32E9B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <B71CD080-D6AD-46EF-B55B-AFB5652E534E@earthlink.net>
 <00f201d1d410$88a2a220$99e7e660$@ca>
 <3B8EB753-C387-4D44-BE77-BB90AB8BC3E6@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9ZrUL=AKeorUZzRT98_6NQEcFASbt9VTWxCpxjyhTYypA@mail.gmail.com>

?Love what you've done and am certainly going to use some of your ideas.
Organizing the lazarette is espe?cially challenging and I always end up
with a mass of anchor rodes and chains all sitting in a puddle of dirty
bilge water.

I use a Magma Kettle BBQ a lot and finding a good storage arrangement for
this in the Lazarette when it's not mounted on the transom is a my quest.
Any ideas would be welcomed.

I have a great mystery that I am still trying to figure out....last weekend
I checked out my lazarette and discovered that a duck had made its nest on
my anchor rode and laid a clutch of 12 eggs. The mystery is how did it get
in there, I always keep my Lazarette shut and what to do with 12
 fertilized duck eggs? Can you you imagine what my bilge would have smelled
like if these had broken!

Great video and thanks

S/V Waif



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Graham & Olivier,
>
> I won?t be on the boat again until after the 4th.  I will try to remember
> to take pictures and measurements then.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> sv Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Peter:
> > While you are at it regarding the strut on the lazarette cover, I would
> be interested in knowing what was used for hinges. A close up picture would
> be very helpful.
> > Thanks for the video.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile. R22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
> > Sent: July 1, 2016 10:19 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
> >
> > Hi Peter. Congrats on the launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your
> videos have been great.
> >
> > I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add one to
> Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut and
> share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number?
> >
> > The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me
> is little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little
> projects like this...
> >
> > Olivier and Faith Hecht
> > s/v Fretless
> > on the Rappahanock
> >
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
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>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jul  2 20:24:49 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 20:24:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
In-Reply-To: <CAMzmXV4qc-PYz0LFAz2AZpEi3A3fUbDU1rBRm0FJ=bcHpBTA0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66E699D4-8994-451C-92CF-52C64ECFF358@gmail.com>
 <CABkv36bVumt52bhX56Y+NC6v_KWehFHiQy_Y-ijDJ1mKUf+EqQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzmXV4qc-PYz0LFAz2AZpEi3A3fUbDU1rBRm0FJ=bcHpBTA0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d1d4c1$4fb195f0$ef14c1d0$@ca>

I always like to drop the anchor from the cockpit. If it is a day with light
wind I leave the stern to the wind to get the breeze - but not overnight. If
I am staying overnight or if the wind is stronger I take the line to the
stern and tie it off and feed the remaining line to the bow and tie it off
there as well. Once the anchor is set I release the line from the stern and
let the wind bring me about. It is a one person job to set the anchor when
it is deployed off the stern and there are no concerns about fouling the
line in the prop. Even when sailing with my wife she is often busy and this
arrangement allows me to manage easily on my own. On those rare emergency
situations do as Ric suggests. In a strong wind it is astonishing how much
force can build on the anchor line and you will not be able to hold it.


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
trimsails .
Sent: July 2, 2016 1:12 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring

Thanks Dave and Rick,

I think you both have valid points.  How about a compromise?  I have been
thinking about this since I sail solo often.  What about storing the anchor
as Dave describes, but run the rode up through the anchor roller (I'm
assuming) with the bitter end run back to the cockpit.  The anchor could be
deployed from the cockpit and secured after an appropriate length of rode
has been deployed for the conditions.  On the minus side there would be 2
additional lines  (actually 1 looped) on deck.  And this arrangement would
not work well with the lazarette with a modification therefore the anchor
and rode would need to be stowed under a seat and lines would be an issue.
On the plus side is the ability to safely deploy the anchor from the
cockpit.  Comments?

Thanks,

Jerry (who just returned from a morning solo sail)

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> That may work fine on a calm day in a sheltered harbor.  But when the 
> wind and waves are up and you need to keep yourself off the rocks, 
> "walking" the bitter end of your anchor line could easily pull you
overboard.
>
> For safety's sake, always launch your anchor from the bow with the 
> bitter end already tied off.  The R22 has a very nice arrangement 
> designed with a comfortable bow pulpit.  Practicing every anchor drop 
> the safe way will assure you of doing it right when under challenge.
>
> Rick
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:00 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jerry. Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a Fortress 
> > anchor on its rode in a plastic crate in the laz as our primary 
> > anchor and drop from the stern then walk it to the bow. It's faster 
> > and easier and safer
> I
> > think than dropping from the bow and no need to store damp rode in 
> > the cabin.  I keep a Nicro solar powered vent in the forward deck 
> > port which keeps humidity from building up in the vee berth.
> >
> > I seem to recall some back and forth on this which you can search if 
> > interested.  I believe this was the Effros method.
> >
> > For those interested, Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is still 
> > out and about in LIS, and still taking on the man.  (I'm glad to 
> > have him
> for a
> > friend.)
> >
> > Dave B
> > s/v Sea Cloud
> > Greenwich Cove, CT
> >
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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>
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jul  2 20:37:30 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 20:37:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9ZrUL=AKeorUZzRT98_6NQEcFASbt9VTWxCpxjyhTYypA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F373FC6B-04B1-4B08-ACDF-B3C597C32E9B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <B71CD080-D6AD-46EF-B55B-AFB5652E534E@earthlink.net>
 <00f201d1d410$88a2a220$99e7e660$@ca>
 <3B8EB753-C387-4D44-BE77-BB90AB8BC3E6@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CALbDJ9ZrUL=AKeorUZzRT98_6NQEcFASbt9VTWxCpxjyhTYypA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01d1d4c3$14fab160$3ef01420$@ca>

There is a substantial space between the area under the seats at the back and the lazarette - certainly big enough for a curious duck.


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
Sent: July 2, 2016 8:03 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions

?Love what you've done and am certainly going to use some of your ideas.
Organizing the lazarette is espe?cially challenging and I always end up with a mass of anchor rodes and chains all sitting in a puddle of dirty bilge water.

I use a Magma Kettle BBQ a lot and finding a good storage arrangement for this in the Lazarette when it's not mounted on the transom is a my quest.
Any ideas would be welcomed.

I have a great mystery that I am still trying to figure out....last weekend I checked out my lazarette and discovered that a duck had made its nest on my anchor rode and laid a clutch of 12 eggs. The mystery is how did it get in there, I always keep my Lazarette shut and what to do with 12  fertilized duck eggs? Can you you imagine what my bilge would have smelled like if these had broken!

Great video and thanks

S/V Waif



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Graham & Olivier,
>
> I won?t be on the boat again until after the 4th.  I will try to 
> remember to take pictures and measurements then.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> sv Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Peter:
> > While you are at it regarding the strut on the lazarette cover, I 
> > would
> be interested in knowing what was used for hinges. A close up picture 
> would be very helpful.
> > Thanks for the video.
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile. R22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario Canada
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
> > Sent: July 1, 2016 10:19 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
> >
> > Hi Peter. Congrats on the launch and I hope you're all healed up. 
> > Your
> videos have been great.
> >
> > I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add one 
> > to
> Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut and 
> share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number?
> >
> > The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from 
> > me
> is little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little 
> projects like this...
> >
> > Olivier and Faith Hecht
> > s/v Fretless
> > on the Rappahanock
> >
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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>
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sat Jul  2 23:04:13 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sat, 02 Jul 2016 23:04:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] duck, duck. duck....  Re:  Video: Storage  Solutions
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Message-ID: <auto-000013847166@smtp01.cluster1.echolabs.net>

Seems it is time for my duck story.
This dates back to our 2nd weekend on Fretless in 
a slip at Swan Creek Marina in Rock Hall, MD on 
the Eastern shore. We had previously dry-sailed 
the boat for a year an a half out of the Middle River on the western shore.

The events in the story took place in 2000 (I think).
I wrote this in 2006 or 2007.

Ok, here's my story.

When we moved Fretless to the Eastern Shore 6 or 
7 years ago, it was the first time we had kept 
the boat in a slip. We had made the commitment 
and were determined to get a lot of use out of 
the boat. We got her all settled in the slip one 
weekend and went away for the week. We came back 
the next weekend, planning to spend the weekend 
on the boat. We schlepped our stuff down the dock 
and stowed it all away, went off to have dinner 
at a restaurant in town, came back and sat out in the cockpit for a while.

Some time later, we put up the poptop enclosure, 
made up the berth in the cabin and turned in. I 
heard noises like someone walking on deck. I told 
myself I was imagining things. I heard more 
noises. I nudged Fred awake (he's next to the 
companionway). He didn't hear anything (he's 
somewhat deaf). He looked out and didn't see 
anything. I went back to sleep. I heard the noise 
again. And again. I nudged Fred awake. This time 
he was nice enough to get up and take a look 
around. He didn't see anything. We went back to bed and to sleep.

The next morning I fixed a nice breakfast and we 
are sitting in the cockpit with our orange juice 
and our mugs of tea sitting on the cockpit table. 
We heard a scrambling sound from the area of the 
lazarette. We looked at each other. We turned the 
table so that Fred can get to the lazarette. He 
cautiously opened the lid and let it fall right 
back down. "There's a duck in there!" "A duck?" 
"A duck!" We finished our breakfast contemplating 
how to get a duck out of the lazarette.

We cleaned up breakfast and looked in the 
lazarette. The duck was in amongst various lines, 
pfds and the anchor looking rather frightened. We 
decided to leave the lid of the lazarette propped 
open to see if the duck would leave on its own. We propped the lid and left.

We came back to the boat and the duck was gone 
having left us a duck egg as a present. No nest 
or crud, just the egg. Then we started to try to 
figure out how the duck got into the lazarette 
and we made a discovery about the boat that we 
had owned for 3 years. The underside of gunnels 
are open to the lazarette. Somehow the duck had 
figured out how to go under the bench seats and 
up under the gunnels into the lazarette.

Having figured out how the duck got into the 
lazarette, we had to figure out how to keep the 
duck out of the lazarette. Off we  went to the 
hardware store to buy some screening and some 
...(drum roll please) ..... duck tape.  Taped the 
screening over the openings and ended our duck 
problem. Can't say what happened to the egg.

So that's the story. Olivr Hecht, the remains of 
that screenng and "duck" tape may still be keeping ducks out of your lazarette.

Best wishes all.

Mary Lou
formerly R22 Fretless
now Rosborough rf246  Tara
(in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)


At 08:03 PM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
>???Love what you've done and am certainly going 
>to use some of your ideas. Organizing the 
>lazarette is espe???cially challenging and I 
>always end up with a mass of anchor rodes and 
>chains all sitting in a puddle of dirty bilge 
>water. I use a Magma Kettle BBQ a lot and 
>finding a good storage arrangement for this in 
>the Lazarette when it's not mounted on the 
>transom is a my quest. Any ideas would be 
>welcomed. I have a great mystery that I am still 
>trying to figure out....last weekend I checked 
>out my lazarette and discovered that a duck had 
>made its nest on my anchor rode and laid a 
>clutch of 12 eggs. The mystery is how did it get 
>in there, I always keep my Lazarette shut and 
>what to do with 12 fertilized duck eggs? Can you 
>you imagine what my bilge would have smelled 
>like if these had broken! Great video and thanks 
>S/V Waif ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 
>337 0180 On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Peter 
>Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote: > Graham 
>& Olivier, > > I won???t be on the boat again 
>until after the 4th.  I will try to remember > 
>to take pictures and measurements then. > > 
>Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > sv Silverheels 
>(1988/2016) > > > > On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:19 PM, 
>Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> 
>wrote: > > > > Peter: > > While you are at it 
>regarding the strut on the lazarette cover, I 
>would > be interested in knowing what was used 
>for hinges. A close up picture would > be very 
>helpful. > > Thanks for the video. > > 
>Thanks, > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile. R22, 
>1976 > > Kingston Ontario 
>Canada > > > > > > > > > > -----Original 
>Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list 
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > 
>Behalf Of Olivier Hecht > > Sent: July 1, 2016 
>10:19 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > 
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage 
>Solutions > > > > Hi Peter. Congrats on the 
>launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your > 
>videos have been great. > > > > I noticed the 
>gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to 
>add one to > Fretless. Could you let me know the 
>length and stroke of the strut and > share any 
>close up photos of the mounting and/or part 
>number? > > > > The worst part of having 
>Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me > 
>is little details like this I need to gather 
>parts for all the little > projects like 
>this... > > > > Olivier and Faith Hecht > > s/v 
>Fretless > > on the Rappahanock > > > > 
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sun Jul  3 00:56:26 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 00:56:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
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Has anyone found an anchor windlass or power winch that can store 100'
anchor rode suitable for a Rhodes 22?  Without spending crazy amounts of
money, all that I found were units made by Trac for under $200 but they only
come with 3/16" line which seems to be about half the diameter that I would
use.  It sure would be nice to deploy and recover an anchor at the bow from
the cockpit for single handling.  I currently set a stern rail mounted
Danforth when I do not have the time to walk to the bow to set the standard
issue anchor.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY




From ohecht at earthlink.net  Sun Jul  3 07:31:52 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 07:31:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] duck,
	duck. duck....  Re:  Video: Storage  Solutions
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Too funny.  I did notice that opening as I was researching potential wiring routes, but didn?t think about ducks or other critters getting in there?

> On Jul 2, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Seems it is time for my duck story.
> This dates back to our 2nd weekend on Fretless in a slip at Swan Creek Marina in Rock Hall, MD on the Eastern shore. We had previously dry-sailed the boat for a year an a half out of the Middle River on the western shore.
> 
> The events in the story took place in 2000 (I think).
> I wrote this in 2006 or 2007.
> 
> Ok, here's my story.
> 
> When we moved Fretless to the Eastern Shore 6 or 7 years ago, it was the first time we had kept the boat in a slip. We had made the commitment and were determined to get a lot of use out of the boat. We got her all settled in the slip one weekend and went away for the week. We came back the next weekend, planning to spend the weekend on the boat. We schlepped our stuff down the dock and stowed it all away, went off to have dinner at a restaurant in town, came back and sat out in the cockpit for a while.
> 
> Some time later, we put up the poptop enclosure, made up the berth in the cabin and turned in. I heard noises like someone walking on deck. I told myself I was imagining things. I heard more noises. I nudged Fred awake (he's next to the companionway). He didn't hear anything (he's somewhat deaf). He looked out and didn't see anything. I went back to sleep. I heard the noise again. And again. I nudged Fred awake. This time he was nice enough to get up and take a look around. He didn't see anything. We went back to bed and to sleep.
> 
> The next morning I fixed a nice breakfast and we are sitting in the cockpit with our orange juice and our mugs of tea sitting on the cockpit table. We heard a scrambling sound from the area of the lazarette. We looked at each other. We turned the table so that Fred can get to the lazarette. He cautiously opened the lid and let it fall right back down. "There's a duck in there!" "A duck?" "A duck!" We finished our breakfast contemplating how to get a duck out of the lazarette.
> 
> We cleaned up breakfast and looked in the lazarette. The duck was in amongst various lines, pfds and the anchor looking rather frightened. We decided to leave the lid of the lazarette propped open to see if the duck would leave on its own. We propped the lid and left.
> 
> We came back to the boat and the duck was gone having left us a duck egg as a present. No nest or crud, just the egg. Then we started to try to figure out how the duck got into the lazarette and we made a discovery about the boat that we had owned for 3 years. The underside of gunnels are open to the lazarette. Somehow the duck had figured out how to go under the bench seats and up under the gunnels into the lazarette.
> 
> Having figured out how the duck got into the lazarette, we had to figure out how to keep the duck out of the lazarette. Off we  went to the hardware store to buy some screening and some ...(drum roll please) ..... duck tape.  Taped the screening over the openings and ended our duck problem. Can't say what happened to the egg.
> 
> So that's the story. Olivr Hecht, the remains of that screenng and "duck" tape may still be keeping ducks out of your lazarette.
> 
> Best wishes all.
> 
> Mary Lou
> formerly R22 Fretless
> now Rosborough rf246  Tara
> (in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)
> 
> 
> At 08:03 PM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
>> ?Love what you've done and am certainly going to use some of your ideas. Organizing the lazarette is espe?cially challenging and I always end up with a mass of anchor rodes and chains all sitting in a puddle of dirty bilge water. I use a Magma Kettle BBQ a lot and finding a good storage arrangement for this in the Lazarette when it's not mounted on the transom is a my quest. Any ideas would be welcomed. I have a great mystery that I am still trying to figure out....last weekend I checked out my lazarette and discovered that a duck had made its nest on my anchor rode and laid a clutch of 12 eggs. The mystery is how did it get in there, I always keep my Lazarette shut and what to do with 12 fertilized duck eggs? Can you you imagine what my bilge would have smelled like if these had broken! Great video and thanks S/V Waif ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote: > Graham & Olivier, > > I won?t be on the boat again until after the 4th.  I will try to remember > to take pictures and measurements then. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > sv Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote: > > > > Peter: > > While you are at it regarding the strut on the lazarette cover, I would > be interested in knowing what was used for hinges. A close up picture would > be very helpful. > > Thanks for the video. > > Thanks, > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile. R22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Olivier Hecht > > Sent: July 1, 2016 10:19 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions > > > > Hi Peter. Congrats on the launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your > videos have been great. > > > > I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add one to > Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut and > share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number? > > > > The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me > is little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little > projects like this... > > > > Olivier and Faith Hecht > > s/v Fretless > > on the Rappahanock > > > > __________________________________________________  > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list  > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________  > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Sun Jul  3 08:56:44 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 08:56:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] duck,
	duck. duck.... Re: Video: Storage Solutions
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Great story. You've confirmed my suspicions - I figured the only way into
the lazrette is through the Gunwhale lockers, but the gap into the
lazarette seemed to small for a duck to get through.

No stopping a duck determined to lay an egg!

S/V Waif



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 7:31 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Too funny.  I did notice that opening as I was researching potential
> wiring routes, but didn?t think about ducks or other critters getting in
> there?
>
> > On Jul 2, 2016, at 11:04 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> >
> > Seems it is time for my duck story.
> > This dates back to our 2nd weekend on Fretless in a slip at Swan Creek
> Marina in Rock Hall, MD on the Eastern shore. We had previously dry-sailed
> the boat for a year an a half out of the Middle River on the western shore.
> >
> > The events in the story took place in 2000 (I think).
> > I wrote this in 2006 or 2007.
> >
> > Ok, here's my story.
> >
> > When we moved Fretless to the Eastern Shore 6 or 7 years ago, it was the
> first time we had kept the boat in a slip. We had made the commitment and
> were determined to get a lot of use out of the boat. We got her all settled
> in the slip one weekend and went away for the week. We came back the next
> weekend, planning to spend the weekend on the boat. We schlepped our stuff
> down the dock and stowed it all away, went off to have dinner at a
> restaurant in town, came back and sat out in the cockpit for a while.
> >
> > Some time later, we put up the poptop enclosure, made up the berth in
> the cabin and turned in. I heard noises like someone walking on deck. I
> told myself I was imagining things. I heard more noises. I nudged Fred
> awake (he's next to the companionway). He didn't hear anything (he's
> somewhat deaf). He looked out and didn't see anything. I went back to
> sleep. I heard the noise again. And again. I nudged Fred awake. This time
> he was nice enough to get up and take a look around. He didn't see
> anything. We went back to bed and to sleep.
> >
> > The next morning I fixed a nice breakfast and we are sitting in the
> cockpit with our orange juice and our mugs of tea sitting on the cockpit
> table. We heard a scrambling sound from the area of the lazarette. We
> looked at each other. We turned the table so that Fred can get to the
> lazarette. He cautiously opened the lid and let it fall right back down.
> "There's a duck in there!" "A duck?" "A duck!" We finished our breakfast
> contemplating how to get a duck out of the lazarette.
> >
> > We cleaned up breakfast and looked in the lazarette. The duck was in
> amongst various lines, pfds and the anchor looking rather frightened. We
> decided to leave the lid of the lazarette propped open to see if the duck
> would leave on its own. We propped the lid and left.
> >
> > We came back to the boat and the duck was gone having left us a duck egg
> as a present. No nest or crud, just the egg. Then we started to try to
> figure out how the duck got into the lazarette and we made a discovery
> about the boat that we had owned for 3 years. The underside of gunnels are
> open to the lazarette. Somehow the duck had figured out how to go under the
> bench seats and up under the gunnels into the lazarette.
> >
> > Having figured out how the duck got into the lazarette, we had to figure
> out how to keep the duck out of the lazarette. Off we  went to the hardware
> store to buy some screening and some ...(drum roll please) ..... duck
> tape.  Taped the screening over the openings and ended our duck problem.
> Can't say what happened to the egg.
> >
> > So that's the story. Olivr Hecht, the remains of that screenng and
> "duck" tape may still be keeping ducks out of your lazarette.
> >
> > Best wishes all.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> > formerly R22 Fretless
> > now Rosborough rf246  Tara
> > (in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)
> >
> >
> > At 08:03 PM 7/2/2016, you wrote:
> >> ?Love what you've done and am certainly going to use some of your
> ideas. Organizing the lazarette is espe?cially challenging and I always end
> up with a mass of anchor rodes and chains all sitting in a puddle of dirty
> bilge water. I use a Magma Kettle BBQ a lot and finding a good storage
> arrangement for this in the Lazarette when it's not mounted on the transom
> is a my quest. Any ideas would be welcomed. I have a great mystery that I
> am still trying to figure out....last weekend I checked out my lazarette
> and discovered that a duck had made its nest on my anchor rode and laid a
> clutch of 12 eggs. The mystery is how did it get in there, I always keep my
> Lazarette shut and what to do with 12 fertilized duck eggs? Can you you
> imagine what my bilge would have smelled like if these had broken! Great
> video and thanks S/V Waif ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:09 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote: > Graham & Olivier, > > I won?t be on the boat again until after the
> 4th.  I will try to remember > to take pictures and measurements then. > >
> Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > sv Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > On Jul 1,
> 2016, at 11:19 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote: > > > >
> Peter: > > While you are at it regarding the strut on the lazarette cover,
> I would > be interested in knowing what was used for hinges. A close up
> picture would > be very helpful. > > Thanks for the video. > > Thanks, > >
> > > Graham Stewart > > Agile. R22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Olivier Hecht > >
> Sent: July 1, 2016 10:19 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject:
> Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions > > > > Hi Peter. Congrats on
> the launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your > videos have been great.
> > > > > I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add
> one to > Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut
> and > share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number? > > > >
> The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me > is
> little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little >
> projects like this... > > > > Olivier and Faith Hecht > > s/v Fretless > >
> on the Rappahanock > > > >
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From dwbrad at gmail.com  Sun Jul  3 10:03:17 2016
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 10:03:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
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Graham, thanks for the excellent elaboration.  Sounds just right for a nice day.  

And Rick, I totally agree that if you are anchoring in rough conditions, you need the bow into the wind from the get-go, assuming you have an able crew member to man the helm or deploy the anchor.  Hopefully that is a rare circumstance for all of us, but "Be Prepared" was the motto in scouts and still today,  It reminds me that I should spend some time this summer practicing anchoring?

Dave B

 
> On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:24 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> I always like to drop the anchor from the cockpit. If it is a day with light
> wind I leave the stern to the wind to get the breeze - but not overnight. If
> I am staying overnight or if the wind is stronger I take the line to the
> stern and tie it off and feed the remaining line to the bow and tie it off
> there as well. Once the anchor is set I release the line from the stern and
> let the wind bring me about. It is a one person job to set the anchor when
> it is deployed off the stern and there are no concerns about fouling the
> line in the prop. Even when sailing with my wife she is often busy and this
> arrangement allows me to manage easily on my own. On those rare emergency
> situations do as Ric suggests. In a strong wind it is astonishing how much
> force can build on the anchor line and you will not be able to hold it.
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> trimsails .
> Sent: July 2, 2016 1:12 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
> 
> Thanks Dave and Rick,
> 
> I think you both have valid points.  How about a compromise?  I have been
> thinking about this since I sail solo often.  What about storing the anchor
> as Dave describes, but run the rode up through the anchor roller (I'm
> assuming) with the bitter end run back to the cockpit.  The anchor could be
> deployed from the cockpit and secured after an appropriate length of rode
> has been deployed for the conditions.  On the minus side there would be 2
> additional lines  (actually 1 looped) on deck.  And this arrangement would
> not work well with the lazarette with a modification therefore the anchor
> and rode would need to be stowed under a seat and lines would be an issue.
> On the plus side is the ability to safely deploy the anchor from the
> cockpit.  Comments?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jerry (who just returned from a morning solo sail)
> 
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Dave,
>> 
>> That may work fine on a calm day in a sheltered harbor.  But when the 
>> wind and waves are up and you need to keep yourself off the rocks, 
>> "walking" the bitter end of your anchor line could easily pull you
> overboard.
>> 
>> For safety's sake, always launch your anchor from the bow with the 
>> bitter end already tied off.  The R22 has a very nice arrangement 
>> designed with a comfortable bow pulpit.  Practicing every anchor drop 
>> the safe way will assure you of doing it right when under challenge.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 7:00 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Jerry. Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a Fortress 
>>> anchor on its rode in a plastic crate in the laz as our primary 
>>> anchor and drop from the stern then walk it to the bow. It's faster 
>>> and easier and safer
>> I
>>> think than dropping from the bow and no need to store damp rode in 
>>> the cabin.  I keep a Nicro solar powered vent in the forward deck 
>>> port which keeps humidity from building up in the vee berth.
>>> 
>>> I seem to recall some back and forth on this which you can search if 
>>> interested.  I believe this was the Effros method.
>>> 
>>> For those interested, Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is still 
>>> out and about in LIS, and still taking on the man.  (I'm glad to 
>>> have him
>> for a
>>> friend.)
>>> 
>>> Dave B
>>> s/v Sea Cloud
>>> Greenwich Cove, CT
>>> 
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun Jul  3 10:31:20 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 10:31:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
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There was a lengthy discussion of this years ago. 
Rik Sandberg offered a unique solution and copied 
a lot of the responses. It's on the owners' site 
here: http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/anchorcp.html

We always sailed double handed so our solutions 
were different and usually involved me going to 
the bow. In all our years of sailing Fretless, we 
rarely if ever encountered a situation where it 
wasn't safe for me to go to the bow. Because we 
kept the anchor in the lazarette, if we were in a 
situation where it could become dicey, we always 
checked that it was free of encumbrances so we 
could get to it quickly and for really dicey 
situations, we would have it in the cockpit ready 
to go. From there we could have it deployed in 30 
seconds from the bow. Maybe not enough in Rick's 
scenario but enough in every situation we 
encountered (very few rocks or even rock jetties on the Chesapeake.)

Best,
Mary Lou
formerly R22 Fretless
now Rosborough rf246  Tara
(in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)


At 10:03 AM 7/3/2016, you wrote:
>Graham, thanks for the excellent 
>elaboration.  Sounds just right for a nice 
>day.  And Rick, I totally agree that if you are 
>anchoring in rough conditions, you need the bow 
>into the wind from the get-go, assuming you have 
>an able crew member to man the helm or deploy 
>the anchor.  Hopefully that is a rare 
>circumstance for all of us, but "Be Prepared" 
>was the motto in scouts and still today,  It 
>reminds me that I should spend some time this 
>summer practicing anchoring
 Dave B > On Jul 2, 
>2016, at 8:24 PM, Graham Stewart 
><gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote: > > I always like 
>to drop the anchor from the cockpit. If it is a 
>day with light > wind I leave the stern to the 
>wind to get the breeze - but not overnight. If > 
>I am staying overnight or if the wind is 
>stronger I take the line to the > stern and tie 
>it off and feed the remaining line to the bow 
>and tie it off > there as well. Once the anchor 
>is set I release the line from the stern and > 
>let the wind bring me about. It is a one person 
>job to set the anchor when > it is deployed off 
>the stern and there are no concerns about 
>fouling the > line in the prop. Even when 
>sailing with my wife she is often busy and 
>this > arrangement allows me to manage easily on 
>my own. On those rare emergency > situations do 
>as Ric suggests. In a strong wind it is 
>astonishing how much > force can build on the 
>anchor line and you will not be able to hold 
>it. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > 
>Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > -----Original 
>Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list 
>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>Behalf Of > trimsails . > Sent: July 2, 2016 
>1:12 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > 
>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring > > 
>Thanks Dave and Rick, > > I think you both have 
>valid points.  How about a compromise?  I have 
>been > thinking about this since I sail solo 
>often.  What about storing the anchor > as Dave 
>describes, but run the rode up through the 
>anchor roller (I'm > assuming) with the bitter 
>end run back to the cockpit.  The anchor could 
>be > deployed from the cockpit and secured after 
>an appropriate length of rode > has been 
>deployed for the conditions.  On the minus side 
>there would be 2 > additional lines  (actually 1 
>looped) on deck.  And this arrangement would > 
>not work well with the lazarette with a 
>modification therefore the anchor > and rode 
>would need to be stowed under a seat and lines 
>would be an issue. > On the plus side is the 
>ability to safely deploy the anchor from the > 
>cockpit.  Comments? > > Thanks, > > Jerry (who 
>just returned from a morning solo sail) > > On 
>Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Rick 
><sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote: > >> 
>Dave, >> >> That may work fine on a calm day in 
>a sheltered harbor.  But when the >> wind and 
>waves are up and you need to keep yourself off 
>the rocks, >> "walking" the bitter end of your 
>anchor line could easily pull you > 
>overboard. >> >> For safety's sake, always 
>launch your anchor from the bow with the >> 
>bitter end already tied off.  The R22 has a very 
>nice arrangement >> designed with a comfortable 
>bow pulpit.  Practicing every anchor drop >> the 
>safe way will assure you of doing it right when 
>under challenge. >> >> Rick >> >> On Sat, Jul 2, 
>2016 at 7:00 AM, David Bradley 
><dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Jerry. 
>Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a 
>Fortress >>> anchor on its rode in a plastic 
>crate in the laz as our primary >>> anchor and 
>drop from the stern then walk it to the bow. 
>It's faster >>> and easier and safer >> I >>> 
>think than dropping from the bow and no need to 
>store damp rode in >>> the cabin.  I keep a 
>Nicro solar powered vent in the forward deck >>> 
>port which keeps humidity from building up in 
>the vee berth. >>> >>> I seem to recall some 
>back and forth on this which you can search 
>if >>> interested.  I believe this was the 
>Effros method. >>> >>> For those interested, 
>Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is 
>still >>> out and about in LIS, and still taking 
>on the man.  (I'm glad to >>> have him >> for 
>a >>> friend.) >>> >>> Dave B >>> s/v Sea 
>Cloud >>> Greenwich Cove, CT >>> >> 
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sun Jul  3 14:52:11 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 14:52:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
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Heaving an anchor over the cockpit gunwale in rough conditions would be a
one handed, gelcoat gouging stunt.  And what about the chain?  Does it go
over first to tear out the rub rail, or does it follow the anchor tearing
through your palm?  When the anchor grabs and the boat swings down wind,
how do you ever hull down or furl the pulling mainsail?

Heaving to, then making your way to the bow pulpit by holding on with both
hands is much safer.  Sitting securely in the pulpit, it is only a 2 inch
lift of the anchor off the bracket with both hands and a straight down
drop.  The chain is already hanging down clear of the hull.  When the
anchor grabs, both sails luff for easy furling or hull down.

Where I sail, lots of boats anchor out for fishing.  I have never seen
anyone, in calm or rough conditions, deploy their anchor from anywhere
other than the bow.  And I know when the Coast Guard ties up to you for
inspection, if you can't demonstrate safe anchoring technique, you get
towed.

When I bought my boat, it came with a "lunch hook" in a cockpit bin.  I
know the Devil put it there to tempt me, but I have yet to fall.  In the
most sanguine of situations, I have always practiced correct technique so I
can do it automatically when I most need to.

Rick

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> There was a lengthy discussion of this years ago. Rik Sandberg offered a
> unique solution and copied a lot of the responses. It's on the owners' site
> here: http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/anchorcp.html
>
> We always sailed double handed so our solutions were different and usually
> involved me going to the bow. In all our years of sailing Fretless, we
> rarely if ever encountered a situation where it wasn't safe for me to go to
> the bow. Because we kept the anchor in the lazarette, if we were in a
> situation where it could become dicey, we always checked that it was free
> of encumbrances so we could get to it quickly and for really dicey
> situations, we would have it in the cockpit ready to go. From there we
> could have it deployed in 30 seconds from the bow. Maybe not enough in
> Rick's scenario but enough in every situation we encountered (very few
> rocks or even rock jetties on the Chesapeake.)
>
> Best,
> Mary Lou
> formerly R22 Fretless
> now Rosborough rf246  Tara
> (in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)
>
>
> At 10:03 AM 7/3/2016, you wrote:
>
>> Graham, thanks for the excellent elaboration.  Sounds just right for a
>> nice day.  And Rick, I totally agree that if you are anchoring in rough
>> conditions, you need the bow into the wind from the get-go, assuming you
>> have an able crew member to man the helm or deploy the anchor.  Hopefully
>> that is a rare circumstance for all of us, but "Be Prepared" was the motto
>> in scouts and still today,  It reminds me that I should spend some time
>> this summer practicing anchoring? Dave B > On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:24 PM,
>> Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote: > > I always like to drop
>> the anchor from the cockpit. If it is a day with light > wind I leave the
>> stern to the wind to get the breeze - but not overnight. If > I am staying
>> overnight or if the wind is stronger I take the line to the > stern and tie
>> it off and feed the remaining line to the bow and tie it off > there as
>> well. Once the anchor is set I release the line from the stern and > let
>> the wind bring me about. It is a one person job to set the anchor when > it
>> is deployed off the stern and there are no concerns about fouling the >
>> line in the prop. Even when sailing with my wife she is often busy and this
>> > arrangement allows me to manage easily on my own. On those rare emergency
>> > situations do as Ric suggests. In a strong wind it is astonishing how
>> much > force can build on the anchor line and you will not be able to hold
>> it. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > >
>> > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:
>> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > trimsails . > Sent:
>> July 2, 2016 1:12 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re:
>> [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring > > Thanks Dave and Rick, > > I think you both
>> have valid points.  How about a compromise?  I have been > thinking about
>> this since I sail solo often.  What about storing the anchor > as Dave
>> describes, but run the rode up through the anchor roller (I'm > assuming)
>> with the bitter end run back to the cockpit.  The anchor could be >
>> deployed from the cockpit and secured after an appropriate length of rode >
>> has been deployed for the conditions.  On the minus side there would be 2 >
>> additional lines  (actually 1 looped) on deck.  And this arrangement would
>> > not work well with the lazarette with a modification therefore the anchor
>> > and rode would need to be stowed under a seat and lines would be an
>> issue. > On the plus side is the ability to safely deploy the anchor from
>> the > cockpit.  Comments? > > Thanks, > > Jerry (who just returned from a
>> morning solo sail) > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Rick <
>> sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> That may work fine on
>> a calm day in a sheltered harbor.  But when the >> wind and waves are up
>> and you need to keep yourself off the rocks, >> "walking" the bitter end of
>> your anchor line could easily pull you > overboard. >> >> For safety's
>> sake, always launch your anchor from the bow with the >> bitter end already
>> tied off.  The R22 has a very nice arrangement >> designed with a
>> comfortable bow pulpit.  Practicing every anchor drop >> the safe way will
>> assure you of doing it right when under challenge. >> >> Rick >> >> On Sat,
>> Jul 2, 2016 at 7:00 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>
>> Hi Jerry. Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a Fortress >>>
>> anchor on its rode in a plastic crate in the laz as our primary >>> anchor
>> and drop from the stern then walk it to the bow. It's faster >>> and easier
>> and safer >> I >>> think than dropping from the bow and no need to store
>> damp rode in >>> the cabin.  I keep a Nicro solar powered vent in the
>> forward deck >>> port which keeps humidity from building up in the vee
>> berth. >>> >>> I seem to recall some back and forth on this which you can
>> search if >>> interested.  I believe this was the Effros method. >>> >>>
>> For those interested, Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is still >>>
>> out and about in LIS, and still taking on the man.  (I'm glad to >>> have
>> him >> for a >>> friend.) >>> >>> Dave B >>> s/v Sea Cloud >>> Greenwich
>> Cove, CT >>> >> __________________________________________________  >> To
>> subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sun Jul  3 15:01:16 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 15:01:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] duck,
	duck. duck.... Re: Video: Storage Solutions
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Mary Lou,

Now we know how duct tape, originally intended to seal air ducts, got
renamed.

Rick

From ohecht at earthlink.net  Sun Jul  3 15:49:38 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 15:49:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
Message-ID: <A980F518-31F0-4E7C-B70B-1B3C70FCDEA4@earthlink.net>

We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday?a perfect sailing day on the Rappahannock and we had the whole family including the dog this time?everyone seemed to enjoy it.  It was a tough start and finish to the day dealing with a broken trailer jack before we launched and a flat trailer tire when we retrieved her.  Fortunately, some improvisation with the car?s jack, wood blocking, and extra tools I had decided to bring at the last minute allowed us to still enjoy the day.

I even managed to get the spinnaker (Doyle ?UPS") up during a more calm period on the water, and it was really easy to deploy and worked very well.  I think we hit ~7 mph for a little while on a reach?that was exciting!  I also managed to get her ?wing-on-wing? for a few minutes while running, although that was pretty hard to sustain!

Here?s a quick video I was able to shoot from the drone (nice to have an aerial scouting vehicle on board to check weather or what?s around the next point of land, etc.)?launching and retrieving it from a moving sailboat crewed by novices was definitely exciting and a little nerve-racking, but we got it done.  The camera work is not great, either, since the video link to my phone was full of interference for some reason?possibly the VHF traffic?I had to fly and frame the shots without really being able to see what the camera was pointing at?

https://youtu.be/PyG78xToiVM

Olivier

From rweiss at siu.edu  Sun Jul  3 16:05:15 2016
From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 13:05:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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Very nice video. I've been wondering how difficult it would be to launch and
shoot from the boat. I'm impressed with your first time results.  Would you
mind if I put a link to this YouTube video on the Rhodes 22 Facebook page?
The more people that see what a great boat it is the better.  

Bob



-----
Bob Weiss
Beach Spring
1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
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From trimsails at gmail.com  Sun Jul  3 16:45:38 2016
From: trimsails at gmail.com (trimsails .)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 16:45:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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Very nice video.  Could you please describe your drone/video equipment?
And how the heck do you land the drone on a moving boat?

Thanks,

Jerry

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:

> We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday?a perfect sailing day on the
> Rappahannock and we had the whole family including the dog this
> time?everyone seemed to enjoy it.  It was a tough start and finish to the
> day dealing with a broken trailer jack before we launched and a flat
> trailer tire when we retrieved her.  Fortunately, some improvisation with
> the car?s jack, wood blocking, and extra tools I had decided to bring at
> the last minute allowed us to still enjoy the day.
>
> I even managed to get the spinnaker (Doyle ?UPS") up during a more calm
> period on the water, and it was really easy to deploy and worked very
> well.  I think we hit ~7 mph for a little while on a reach?that was
> exciting!  I also managed to get her ?wing-on-wing? for a few minutes while
> running, although that was pretty hard to sustain!
>
> Here?s a quick video I was able to shoot from the drone (nice to have an
> aerial scouting vehicle on board to check weather or what?s around the next
> point of land, etc.)?launching and retrieving it from a moving sailboat
> crewed by novices was definitely exciting and a little nerve-racking, but
> we got it done.  The camera work is not great, either, since the video link
> to my phone was full of interference for some reason?possibly the VHF
> traffic?I had to fly and frame the shots without really being able to see
> what the camera was pointing at?
>
> https://youtu.be/PyG78xToiVM
>
> Olivier
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Sun Jul  3 17:58:01 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 17:58:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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Hi Bob. I don't mind at all!  Olivier 

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 4:05 PM, rweiss <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> Very nice video. I've been wondering how difficult it would be to launch and
> shoot from the boat. I'm impressed with your first time results.  Would you
> mind if I put a link to this YouTube video on the Rhodes 22 Facebook page?
> The more people that see what a great boat it is the better.  
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Bob Weiss
> Beach Spring
> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sun Jul  3 18:14:08 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:14:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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Olivier,

I picked up a  DJI phantom 3 pro last May.  I have been wondering about using it on the Rhodes.  I have been practicing taking off and recovery by hand since there is no safe landing area on a Rhodes.  We saw a sailboat race photographer using a drone that he landed in a net on a powerboat. Can you elaborate on you technique?  Nice video.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:50 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless

We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday?a perfect sailing day on the Rappahannock and we had the whole family including the dog this time?everyone seemed to enjoy it.  It was a tough start and finish to the day dealing with a broken trailer jack before we launched and a flat trailer tire when we retrieved her.  Fortunately, some improvisation with the car?s jack, wood blocking, and extra tools I had decided to bring at the last minute allowed us to still enjoy the day.

I even managed to get the spinnaker (Doyle ?UPS") up during a more calm period on the water, and it was really easy to deploy and worked very well.  I think we hit ~7 mph for a little while on a reach?that was exciting!  I also managed to get her ?wing-on-wing? for a few minutes while running, although that was pretty hard to sustain!

Here?s a quick video I was able to shoot from the drone (nice to have an aerial scouting vehicle on board to check weather or what?s around the next point of land, etc.)?launching and retrieving it from a moving sailboat crewed by novices was definitely exciting and a little nerve-racking, but we got it done.  The camera work is not great, either, since the video link to my phone was full of interference for some reason?possibly the VHF traffic?I had to fly and frame the shots without really being able to see what the camera was pointing at?

https://youtu.be/PyG78xToiVM

Olivier
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Sun Jul  3 18:31:13 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:31:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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It's a DJI Phantom 4 that uses a 4K camera. I launched and retrieved it from my hands off the port quarter. At the time we were running and that was the windward side so it was as far away from the sails as I could get it and it was the safest departure and approach route based on the direction of the boat. Launching anchored or even drifting without any sails up would be easier and is what I would do if the conditions were any breezier than what we had yesterday at the time. 

Launching and catching the drone by hand is not as dangerous as it sounds once you're used to flying it based on the stability of the drone. It uses the GPS and Russian satellite networks simultaneously and often is tracking between 15 and 20 satellites.  It will hover exactly in place when you're not actively steering it. 

The trick to launch is to turn off the GPS stabilization because otherwise the drone tries to stabilize itself against the forward motion of the boat. So I launched in "manual" flight mode and fights you as you hold it before launch.  For landing I left it fully stabilized and brought it in very carefully until I could grab the landing gear as it hovered just over and slightly away from the gunwale. The thing to watch there is the "ground effect" as the turbulence from the rotors bounces off parts of the boat. 

I wouldn't do this casually but wanted to prove the concept at least. It's an odd thing to have on board but could be a useful tool in many situations where you need to "scout ahead" of your boat for whatever reason...

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 4:45 PM, trimsails . <trimsails at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Very nice video.  Could you please describe your drone/video equipment?
> And how the heck do you land the drone on a moving boat?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jerry
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday?a perfect sailing day on the
>> Rappahannock and we had the whole family including the dog this
>> time?everyone seemed to enjoy it.  It was a tough start and finish to the
>> day dealing with a broken trailer jack before we launched and a flat
>> trailer tire when we retrieved her.  Fortunately, some improvisation with
>> the car?s jack, wood blocking, and extra tools I had decided to bring at
>> the last minute allowed us to still enjoy the day.
>> 
>> I even managed to get the spinnaker (Doyle ?UPS") up during a more calm
>> period on the water, and it was really easy to deploy and worked very
>> well.  I think we hit ~7 mph for a little while on a reach?that was
>> exciting!  I also managed to get her ?wing-on-wing? for a few minutes while
>> running, although that was pretty hard to sustain!
>> 
>> Here?s a quick video I was able to shoot from the drone (nice to have an
>> aerial scouting vehicle on board to check weather or what?s around the next
>> point of land, etc.)?launching and retrieving it from a moving sailboat
>> crewed by novices was definitely exciting and a little nerve-racking, but
>> we got it done.  The camera work is not great, either, since the video link
>> to my phone was full of interference for some reason?possibly the VHF
>> traffic?I had to fly and frame the shots without really being able to see
>> what the camera was pointing at?
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/PyG78xToiVM
>> 
>> Olivier
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Sun Jul  3 18:44:03 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 18:44:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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Hi Mike,

I just shared all the details in an earlier reply. What I didn't mention there was the massive interference in the video link to my phone.  The drone was never more than a few hundred yards away so the signal should have been perfect...it usually starts to drop out around a mile without obstructions. I didn't have time to deal with it during this first flight, but I'm thinking it's either something like the VHF frequencies in use or  the fact that the "home point" was left far behind as the drone and controller were moving. This shouldn't impact the signal, but I did notice that the "horizontal distance" from the home point was more than a mile about halfway through the flight. There's a way to set the home position as the controller instead of the takeoff point that I might try next time to see if it helps. 

Olivier

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> I picked up a  DJI phantom 3 pro last May.  I have been wondering about using it on the Rhodes.  I have been practicing taking off and recovery by hand since there is no safe landing area on a Rhodes.  We saw a sailboat race photographer using a drone that he landed in a net on a powerboat. Can you elaborate on you technique?  Nice video.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
> Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:50 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
> 
> We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday?a perfect sailing day on the Rappahannock and we had the whole family including the dog this time?everyone seemed to enjoy it.  It was a tough start and finish to the day dealing with a broken trailer jack before we launched and a flat trailer tire when we retrieved her.  Fortunately, some improvisation with the car?s jack, wood blocking, and extra tools I had decided to bring at the last minute allowed us to still enjoy the day.
> 
> I even managed to get the spinnaker (Doyle ?UPS") up during a more calm period on the water, and it was really easy to deploy and worked very well.  I think we hit ~7 mph for a little while on a reach?that was exciting!  I also managed to get her ?wing-on-wing? for a few minutes while running, although that was pretty hard to sustain!
> 
> Here?s a quick video I was able to shoot from the drone (nice to have an aerial scouting vehicle on board to check weather or what?s around the next point of land, etc.)?launching and retrieving it from a moving sailboat crewed by novices was definitely exciting and a little nerve-racking, but we got it done.  The camera work is not great, either, since the video link to my phone was full of interference for some reason?possibly the VHF traffic?I had to fly and frame the shots without really being able to see what the camera was pointing at?
> 
> https://youtu.be/PyG78xToiVM
> 
> Olivier
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From al_shell at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Jul  3 21:38:19 2016
From: al_shell at tampabay.rr.com (amiller)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 21:38:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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Olivier,
Thank you for putting up the video.  I have been looking for videos of
the Rhodes under sail and there are just not many of this fine boat.  It
is great to have some inspiration to hold me over until I retire this
year and can get Mishka back in service. I hope that you will provide
many more.  Thanks for sharing.
Mishka - 2001
Tampa, FL

On Sun, 2016-07-03 at 18:44 -0400, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> 
> I just shared all the details in an earlier reply. What I didn't mention there was the massive interference in the video link to my phone.  The drone was never more than a few hundred yards away so the signal should have been perfect...it usually starts to drop out around a mile without obstructions. I didn't have time to deal with it during this first flight, but I'm thinking it's either something like the VHF frequencies in use or  the fact that the "home point" was left far behind as the drone and controller were moving. This shouldn't impact the signal, but I did notice that the "horizontal distance" from the home point was more than a mile about halfway through the flight. There's a way to set the home position as the controller instead of the takeoff point that I might try next time to see if it helps. 
> 
> Olivier
> 
> > On Jul 3, 2016, at 6:14 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Olivier,
> > 
> > I picked up a  DJI phantom 3 pro last May.  I have been wondering about using it on the Rhodes.  I have been practicing taking off and recovery by hand since there is no safe landing area on a Rhodes.  We saw a sailboat race photographer using a drone that he landed in a net on a powerboat. Can you elaborate on you technique?  Nice video.
> > 
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
> > Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 3:50 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
> > 
> > We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday?a perfect sailing day on the Rappahannock and we had the whole family including the dog this time?everyone seemed to enjoy it.  It was a tough start and finish to the day dealing with a broken trailer jack before we launched and a flat trailer tire when we retrieved her.  Fortunately, some improvisation with the car?s jack, wood blocking, and extra tools I had decided to bring at the last minute allowed us to still enjoy the day.
> > 
> > I even managed to get the spinnaker (Doyle ?UPS") up during a more calm period on the water, and it was really easy to deploy and worked very well.  I think we hit ~7 mph for a little while on a reach?that was exciting!  I also managed to get her ?wing-on-wing? for a few minutes while running, although that was pretty hard to sustain!
> > 
> > Here?s a quick video I was able to shoot from the drone (nice to have an aerial scouting vehicle on board to check weather or what?s around the next point of land, etc.)?launching and retrieving it from a moving sailboat crewed by novices was definitely exciting and a little nerve-racking, but we got it done.  The camera work is not great, either, since the video link to my phone was full of interference for some reason?possibly the VHF traffic?I had to fly and frame the shots without really being able to see what the camera was pointing at?
> > 
> > https://youtu.be/PyG78xToiVM
> > 
> > Olivier
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From al_shell at tampabay.rr.com  Sun Jul  3 22:25:15 2016
From: al_shell at tampabay.rr.com (amiller)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 22:25:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring
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There are already some good suggestions posted, but I'll throw my
solution in as well.  Mishka always had the primary Fortress anchor in
the bow holder, with chain and rode attached to the bow cleat, ready to
be quickly deployed.  However, when we suspected more trying conditions,
I would rig the back up Danforth (lunch hook size) before hand in case
it was needed.  It rested in a 5 gallon plastic bucket under the cockpit
seat with 6 feet of vinyl covered chain and a generous rode suitable for
our Florida waters  This rode was also secured to the bow cleat, on top
of the Fortress rode.  On several occasions I deployed the backup from
the cockpit over the side and the boat drifted backward, with the wind
setting the anchor.  This allowed me time to properly deal with setting
the Fortress.  I found this to be an easy and safe way in dealing with
the wind and/or tide challenges.

Al
Misha 2001 


On Sun, 2016-07-03 at 14:52 -0400, Rick wrote:
> Heaving an anchor over the cockpit gunwale in rough conditions would be a
> one handed, gelcoat gouging stunt.  And what about the chain?  Does it go
> over first to tear out the rub rail, or does it follow the anchor tearing
> through your palm?  When the anchor grabs and the boat swings down wind,
> how do you ever hull down or furl the pulling mainsail?
> 
> Heaving to, then making your way to the bow pulpit by holding on with both
> hands is much safer.  Sitting securely in the pulpit, it is only a 2 inch
> lift of the anchor off the bracket with both hands and a straight down
> drop.  The chain is already hanging down clear of the hull.  When the
> anchor grabs, both sails luff for easy furling or hull down.
> 
> Where I sail, lots of boats anchor out for fishing.  I have never seen
> anyone, in calm or rough conditions, deploy their anchor from anywhere
> other than the bow.  And I know when the Coast Guard ties up to you for
> inspection, if you can't demonstrate safe anchoring technique, you get
> towed.
> 
> When I bought my boat, it came with a "lunch hook" in a cockpit bin.  I
> know the Devil put it there to tempt me, but I have yet to fall.  In the
> most sanguine of situations, I have always practiced correct technique so I
> can do it automatically when I most need to.
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> > There was a lengthy discussion of this years ago. Rik Sandberg offered a
> > unique solution and copied a lot of the responses. It's on the owners' site
> > here: http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/anchorcp.html
> >
> > We always sailed double handed so our solutions were different and usually
> > involved me going to the bow. In all our years of sailing Fretless, we
> > rarely if ever encountered a situation where it wasn't safe for me to go to
> > the bow. Because we kept the anchor in the lazarette, if we were in a
> > situation where it could become dicey, we always checked that it was free
> > of encumbrances so we could get to it quickly and for really dicey
> > situations, we would have it in the cockpit ready to go. From there we
> > could have it deployed in 30 seconds from the bow. Maybe not enough in
> > Rick's scenario but enough in every situation we encountered (very few
> > rocks or even rock jetties on the Chesapeake.)
> >
> > Best,
> > Mary Lou
> > formerly R22 Fretless
> > now Rosborough rf246  Tara
> > (in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)
> >
> >
> > At 10:03 AM 7/3/2016, you wrote:
> >
> >> Graham, thanks for the excellent elaboration.  Sounds just right for a
> >> nice day.  And Rick, I totally agree that if you are anchoring in rough
> >> conditions, you need the bow into the wind from the get-go, assuming you
> >> have an able crew member to man the helm or deploy the anchor.  Hopefully
> >> that is a rare circumstance for all of us, but "Be Prepared" was the motto
> >> in scouts and still today,  It reminds me that I should spend some time
> >> this summer practicing anchoring? Dave B > On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:24 PM,
> >> Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote: > > I always like to drop
> >> the anchor from the cockpit. If it is a day with light > wind I leave the
> >> stern to the wind to get the breeze - but not overnight. If > I am staying
> >> overnight or if the wind is stronger I take the line to the > stern and tie
> >> it off and feed the remaining line to the bow and tie it off > there as
> >> well. Once the anchor is set I release the line from the stern and > let
> >> the wind bring me about. It is a one person job to set the anchor when > it
> >> is deployed off the stern and there are no concerns about fouling the >
> >> line in the prop. Even when sailing with my wife she is often busy and this
> >> > arrangement allows me to manage easily on my own. On those rare emergency
> >> > situations do as Ric suggests. In a strong wind it is astonishing how
> >> much > force can build on the anchor line and you will not be able to hold
> >> it. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > >
> >> > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:
> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > trimsails . > Sent:
> >> July 2, 2016 1:12 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re:
> >> [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring > > Thanks Dave and Rick, > > I think you both
> >> have valid points.  How about a compromise?  I have been > thinking about
> >> this since I sail solo often.  What about storing the anchor > as Dave
> >> describes, but run the rode up through the anchor roller (I'm > assuming)
> >> with the bitter end run back to the cockpit.  The anchor could be >
> >> deployed from the cockpit and secured after an appropriate length of rode >
> >> has been deployed for the conditions.  On the minus side there would be 2 >
> >> additional lines  (actually 1 looped) on deck.  And this arrangement would
> >> > not work well with the lazarette with a modification therefore the anchor
> >> > and rode would need to be stowed under a seat and lines would be an
> >> issue. > On the plus side is the ability to safely deploy the anchor from
> >> the > cockpit.  Comments? > > Thanks, > > Jerry (who just returned from a
> >> morning solo sail) > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Rick <
> >> sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> That may work fine on
> >> a calm day in a sheltered harbor.  But when the >> wind and waves are up
> >> and you need to keep yourself off the rocks, >> "walking" the bitter end of
> >> your anchor line could easily pull you > overboard. >> >> For safety's
> >> sake, always launch your anchor from the bow with the >> bitter end already
> >> tied off.  The R22 has a very nice arrangement >> designed with a
> >> comfortable bow pulpit.  Practicing every anchor drop >> the safe way will
> >> assure you of doing it right when under challenge. >> >> Rick >> >> On Sat,
> >> Jul 2, 2016 at 7:00 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>
> >> Hi Jerry. Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a Fortress >>>
> >> anchor on its rode in a plastic crate in the laz as our primary >>> anchor
> >> and drop from the stern then walk it to the bow. It's faster >>> and easier
> >> and safer >> I >>> think than dropping from the bow and no need to store
> >> damp rode in >>> the cabin.  I keep a Nicro solar powered vent in the
> >> forward deck >>> port which keeps humidity from building up in the vee
> >> berth. >>> >>> I seem to recall some back and forth on this which you can
> >> search if >>> interested.  I believe this was the Effros method. >>> >>>
> >> For those interested, Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is still >>>
> >> out and about in LIS, and still taking on the man.  (I'm glad to >>> have
> >> him >> for a >>> friend.) >>> >>> Dave B >>> s/v Sea Cloud >>> Greenwich
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sun Jul  3 22:58:17 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Sun, 3 Jul 2016 22:58:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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Olivier,

A Phantom 4! Wow! The 3 Pro also has the 4K camera, but, the major differences in the 4 over the 3 are the visual collision avoidance system and the "Follow me" mode.  Follow me should have been able to circle the remote controller (boat) just as the point of interest mode does in the older model.  It might have made your effort simpler.

I don't think that the VHF caused the interference.  Most of the time it is not transmitting.  When it does transmit, it is in the 100 MHz band.  The Lightbridge communications are at 2.4 GHz.

Thanks for the tip on disabling the GPS at launch since the drone and the boat are in motion.  Now that I think about it, without the GPS, follow me may not function.  I'll have to read up a bit more before dropping my toy in the drink.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless

It's a DJI Phantom 4 that uses a 4K camera. I launched and retrieved it from my hands off the port quarter. At the time we were running and that was the windward side so it was as far away from the sails as I could get it and it was the safest departure and approach route based on the direction of the boat. Launching anchored or even drifting without any sails up would be easier and is what I would do if the conditions were any breezier than what we had yesterday at the time. 

Launching and catching the drone by hand is not as dangerous as it sounds once you're used to flying it based on the stability of the drone. It uses the GPS and Russian satellite networks simultaneously and often is tracking between 15 and 20 satellites.  It will hover exactly in place when you're not actively steering it. 

The trick to launch is to turn off the GPS stabilization because otherwise the drone tries to stabilize itself against the forward motion of the boat. So I launched in "manual" flight mode and fights you as you hold it before launch.  For landing I left it fully stabilized and brought it in very carefully until I could grab the landing gear as it hovered just over and slightly away from the gunwale. The thing to watch there is the "ground effect" as the turbulence from the rotors bounces off parts of the boat. 

I wouldn't do this casually but wanted to prove the concept at least. It's an odd thing to have on board but could be a useful tool in many situations where you need to "scout ahead" of your boat for whatever reason...

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 4:45 PM, trimsails . <trimsails at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Very nice video.  Could you please describe your drone/video equipment?
> And how the heck do you land the drone on a moving boat?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jerry
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 3:49 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday?a perfect sailing day on 
>> the Rappahannock and we had the whole family including the dog this 
>> time?everyone seemed to enjoy it.  It was a tough start and finish to 
>> the day dealing with a broken trailer jack before we launched and a 
>> flat trailer tire when we retrieved her.  Fortunately, some 
>> improvisation with the car?s jack, wood blocking, and extra tools I 
>> had decided to bring at the last minute allowed us to still enjoy the day.
>> 
>> I even managed to get the spinnaker (Doyle ?UPS") up during a more 
>> calm period on the water, and it was really easy to deploy and worked 
>> very well.  I think we hit ~7 mph for a little while on a reach?that 
>> was exciting!  I also managed to get her ?wing-on-wing? for a few 
>> minutes while running, although that was pretty hard to sustain!
>> 
>> Here?s a quick video I was able to shoot from the drone (nice to have 
>> an aerial scouting vehicle on board to check weather or what?s around 
>> the next point of land, etc.)?launching and retrieving it from a 
>> moving sailboat crewed by novices was definitely exciting and a 
>> little nerve-racking, but we got it done.  The camera work is not 
>> great, either, since the video link to my phone was full of 
>> interference for some reason?possibly the VHF traffic?I had to fly 
>> and frame the shots without really being able to see what the camera 
>> was pointing at?
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/PyG78xToiVM
>> 
>> Olivier
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  4 00:11:39 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 00:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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References: <A980F518-31F0-4E7C-B70B-1B3C70FCDEA4@earthlink.net>
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I did use the Active Track feature to track Fretless...it worked well but was in another portion of the video. I tried circling while it was tracking us automatically but that didn't work for some reason and conditions weren't good enough to keep trying it so I orbited manually. Definitely not as smooth a shot, though. 

For the launch, I just switched to Attitude mode to disable GPS and then switched back to "P" mode as soon as the drone was away from the boat. This way you can launch without GPS but then still easily switch it on and get all the stabilization and other features to work again. 

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 10:58 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> A Phantom 4! Wow! The 3 Pro also has the 4K camera, but, the major differences in the 4 over the 3 are the visual collision avoidance system and the "Follow me" mode.  Follow me should have been able to circle the remote controller (boat) just as the point of interest mode does in the older model.  It might have made your effort simpler.
> 
> I don't think that the VHF caused the interference.  Most of the time it is not transmitting.  When it does transmit, it is in the 100 MHz band.  The Lightbridge communications are at 2.4 GHz.
> 
> Thanks for the tip on disabling the GPS at launch since the drone and the boat are in motion.  Now that I think about it, without the GPS, follow me may not function.  I'll have to read up a bit more before dropping my toy in the drink.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
> Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2016 6:31 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
> 
> It's a DJI Phantom 4 that uses a 4K camera. I launched and retrieved it from my hands off the port quarter. At the time we were running and that was the windward side so it was as far away from the sails as I could get it and it was the safest departure and approach route based on the direction of the boat. Launching anchored or even drifting without any sails up would be easier and is what I would do if the conditions were any breezier than what we had yesterday at the time. 
> 
> Launching and catching the drone by hand is not as dangerous as it sounds once you're used to flying it based on the stability of the drone. It uses the GPS and Russian satellite networks simultaneously and often is tracking between 15 and 20 satellites.  It will hover exactly in place when you're not actively steering it. 
> 
> The trick to launch is to turn off the GPS stabilization because otherwise the drone tries to stabilize itself against the forward motion of the boat. So I launched in "manual" flight mode and fights you as you hold it before launch.  For landing I left it fully stabilized and brought it in very carefully until I could grab the landing gear as it hovered just over and sl


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Jul  4 07:51:37 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 07:51:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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Glad to see Fretless out there enjoying herself 
and getting a workout. The video is great. Nice 
to see new aerial shots. The drone is a great toy... um... tool ;-)

Enjoy!

Mary Lou and Fred


At 03:49 PM 7/3/2016, you wrote:
>We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday
a 
>perfeect sailing day on the Rappahannock and we 
>had the whole family including the dog this 
>time
everyone seemedd to enjoy it.  It was a 
>tough start and finish to the day dealing with a 
>broken trailer jack before we launched and a 
>flat trailer tire when we retrieved 
>her.  Fortunately, some improvisation with the 
>car???s jack, wood blocking, and extra tools I 
>had decided to bring at the last minute allowed 
>us to still enjoy the day. I even managed to get 
>the spinnaker (Doyle ???UPS") up during a more 
>calm period on the water, and it was really easy 
>to deploy and worked very well.  I think we hit 
>~7 mph for a little while on a reach
that was 
>exxciting!  I also managed to get her 
>???wing-on-wing??? for a few minutes while 
>running, although that was pretty hard to 
>sustain! Here???s a quick video I was able to 
>shoot from the drone (nice to have an aerial 
>scouting vehicle on board to check weather or 
>what???s around the next point of land, 
>etc.)
launching and retrrieving it from a moving 
>sailboat crewed by novices was definitely 
>exciting and a little nerve-racking, but we got 
>it done.  The camera work is not great, either, 
>since the video link to my phone was full of 
>interference for some reason
possibly the VHF 
>traffic
I hadhad to fly and frame the shots 
>without really being able to see what the camera 
>was pointing at
 https://youutu.be/PyG78xToiVM 
>Olivier 
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Mon Jul  4 16:19:12 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (ohecht)
Date: Mon, 4 Jul 2016 13:19:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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Sorry to bring back such an old thread, but I hope some of the experts here
can still help me.  I have a TP300CX tiller pilot that came with the R22 I
just bought, but all I have is the actual tiller pilot with the wire to a
6-pin connector.

I believe this model is the same as the Simrad TP22 or 32...

Anyway, I have the wiring diagram for the bulkhead connector, but it doesn't
show the key to orient the plug so I can actually tell where each pin is. 
And there are no markings on the male end of the plug I have.  I'm trying to
make sure the unit powers up before ordering any parts for it, etc.

If someone has the 6-pin bulkhead connector handy, could you describe the
pinout of the connector in relation to the key in the plug?

Thanks in advance,

Olivier Hecht
s/v/ Fretless



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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jul  5 00:07:57 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 00:07:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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Olivier,

Does this manual help?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 06:21:38 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 06:21:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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Thanks Mike. That's actually the manual I've been using, but the pinout diagram on page 13 for the bulkhead connector doesn't have anything to orient the six identical pins. There's a "key" in the male end of the plug that ensures it's always inserted the right way, but they left that off of the diagram, so it's missing critical info!

I ended up opening the unit so I could use a multimeter to identify the +12v and ground wires. 

In case it helps anyone else in the future, as you look into the male end of the plug with the key at the bottom (6 o'clock) position, the 12v pin is at the 1 o'clock position and the ground pin is at the 3 o'clock position. This aligns with pins 1 and 2 in the diagram on page 13 if you assume that it's a representation of what you'd see looking at the male end of the plug with the key at the 6 o'clock position. 

I was able to temporarily connect power and the unit seems to work!  Now to mount it in the boat and maybe even find a chart plotter it can talk to so we can worry less about steering constantly on longer trips...

Olivier 

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:07 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> Does this manual help?
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 07:16:08 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 07:16:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
In-Reply-To: <331F0839-BD15-433B-9460-65C3815B7152@earthlink.net>
References: <F67DA1F054A01246AF8A15E9A18C86EF0E63A8@TCGEXCHVS.TCGNY.NE.NRT>
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Oliver,

Can you determine which wire is the power wire on the tiller side connector
(is the wire red, for example)?  If so, that will tell you which is #1 and
you can mate up the connectors to see which is #1 on the boat side
connector and then work your way around.  It shows colors for the wires so
that may help you.

Hank

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Thanks Mike. That's actually the manual I've been using, but the pinout
> diagram on page 13 for the bulkhead connector doesn't have anything to
> orient the six identical pins. There's a "key" in the male end of the plug
> that ensures it's always inserted the right way, but they left that off of
> the diagram, so it's missing critical info!
>
> I ended up opening the unit so I could use a multimeter to identify the
> +12v and ground wires.
>
> In case it helps anyone else in the future, as you look into the male end
> of the plug with the key at the bottom (6 o'clock) position, the 12v pin is
> at the 1 o'clock position and the ground pin is at the 3 o'clock position.
> This aligns with pins 1 and 2 in the diagram on page 13 if you assume that
> it's a representation of what you'd see looking at the male end of the plug
> with the key at the 6 o'clock position.
>
> I was able to temporarily connect power and the unit seems to work!  Now
> to mount it in the boat and maybe even find a chart plotter it can talk to
> so we can worry less about steering constantly on longer trips...
>
> Olivier
>
> > On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:07 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Olivier,
> >
> > Does this manual help?
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 07:31:12 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 07:31:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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That's what I ended up doing, but I had to open up the tiller pilot housing itself and use a multimeter to check continuity between the power and ground wires (red and black) within the housing and the pins. The connector itself is completely sealed so there's so way to check the wires there. If I had the actual bulkhead connector, I could have identified the wires that way...still looking for that part. 

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oliver,
> 
> Can you determine which wire is the power wire on the tiller side connector
> (is the wire red, for example)?  If so, that will tell you which is #1 and
> you can mate up the connectors to see which is #1 on the boat side
> connector and then work your way around.  It shows colors for the wires so
> that may help you.
> 
> Hank
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 6:21 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Mike. That's actually the manual I've been using, but the pinout
>> diagram on page 13 for the bulkhead connector doesn't have anything to
>> orient the six identical pins. There's a "key" in the male end of the plug
>> that ensures it's always inserted the right way, but they left that off of
>> the diagram, so it's missing critical info!
>> 
>> I ended up opening the unit so I could use a multimeter to identify the
>> +12v and ground wires.
>> 
>> In case it helps anyone else in the future, as you look into the male end
>> of the plug with the key at the bottom (6 o'clock) position, the 12v pin is
>> at the 1 o'clock position and the ground pin is at the 3 o'clock position.
>> This aligns with pins 1 and 2 in the diagram on page 13 if you assume that
>> it's a representation of what you'd see looking at the male end of the plug
>> with the key at the 6 o'clock position.
>> 
>> I was able to temporarily connect power and the unit seems to work!  Now
>> to mount it in the boat and maybe even find a chart plotter it can talk to
>> so we can worry less about steering constantly on longer trips...
>> 
>> Olivier
>> 
>>>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:07 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Olivier,
>>> 
>>> Does this manual help?
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> 
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Tue Jul  5 07:36:58 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 07:36:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
In-Reply-To: <331F0839-BD15-433B-9460-65C3815B7152@earthlink.net>
References: <F67DA1F054A01246AF8A15E9A18C86EF0E63A8@TCGEXCHVS.TCGNY.NE.NRT>
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Re the chartplotter. Does the unit have an internal compass? I always 
thought it did but never really looked at it or the manual. I would 
think all you would need is to hold a single heading. I've never 
thought autopilots hooked up to a plotter are a good idea but we were 
always sort of minimalists. (Emphasis on "sort" <grin>)

Mary Lou

formerly R22 Fretless
now Rosborough rf246  Tara
(in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)



At 06:21 AM 7/5/2016, you wrote:
>Thanks Mike. That's actually the manual I've been using, but the 
>pinout diagram on page 13 for the bulkhead connector doesn't have 
>anything to orient the six identical pins. There's a "key" in the 
>male end of the plug that ensures it's always inserted the right 
>way, but they left that off of the diagram, so it's missing critical info!
>
>I ended up opening the unit so I could use a multimeter to identify 
>the +12v and ground wires.
>
>In case it helps anyone else in the future, as you look into the 
>male end of the plug with the key at the bottom (6 o'clock) 
>position, the 12v pin is at the 1 o'clock position and the ground 
>pin is at the 3 o'clock position. This aligns with pins 1 and 2 in 
>the diagram on page 13 if you assume that it's a representation of 
>what you'd see looking at the male end of the plug with the key at 
>the 6 o'clock position.
>
>I was able to temporarily connect power and the unit seems to 
>work!  Now to mount it in the boat and maybe even find a chart 
>plotter it can talk to so we can worry less about steering 
>constantly on longer trips...
>
>Olivier
>
> > On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:07 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >
> > Olivier,
> >
> > Does this manual help?
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> >
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 08:12:07 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 08:12:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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It does have the internal compass. A chart plotter is definitely overkill but I'm intrigued by the idea of connecting one and being able to follow a complex (or simple) course. I'm using the Navionics app on my phone now, which is great. 

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Re the chartplotter. Does the unit have an internal compass? I always thought it did but never really looked at it or the manual. I would think all you would need is to hold a single heading. I've never thought autopilots hooked up to a plotter are a good idea but we were always sort of minimalists. (Emphasis on "sort" <grin>)
> 
> Mary Lou
> 
> formerly R22 Fretless
> now Rosborough rf246  Tara
> (in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)
> 
> 
> 
> At 06:21 AM 7/5/2016, you wrote:
>> Thanks Mike. That's actually the manual I've been using, but the pinout diagram on page 13 for the bulkhead connector doesn't have anything to orient the six identical pins. There's a "key" in the male end of the plug that ensures it's always inserted the right way, but they left that off of the diagram, so it's missing critical info!
>> 
>> I ended up opening the unit so I could use a multimeter to identify the +12v and ground wires.
>> 
>> In case it helps anyone else in the future, as you look into the male end of the plug with the key at the bottom (6 o'clock) position, the 12v pin is at the 1 o'clock position and the ground pin is at the 3 o'clock position. This aligns with pins 1 and 2 in the diagram on page 13 if you assume that it's a representation of what you'd see looking at the male end of the plug with the key at the 6 o'clock position.
>> 
>> I was able to temporarily connect power and the unit seems to work!  Now to mount it in the boat and maybe even find a chart plotter it can talk to so we can worry less about steering constantly on longer trips...
>> 
>> Olivier
>> 
>> > On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:07 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Olivier,
>> >
>> > Does this manual help?
>> >
>> > Mike
>> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> > Nissequogue River, NY
>> >
>> >
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 08:44:59 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 08:44:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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The issue with using a chartplotter when under sail is that the wind is not
generally coming from a constant heading so your sail trim will not always
been very good.  I used to own an Islander 36 with a chartplotter, wheel
pilot and a NMEA compliant wind guage and my auto pilot could then keep a
constant point of wind based upon the wind direction detected by the wind
gauge.

Hank

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:

> It does have the internal compass. A chart plotter is definitely overkill
> but I'm intrigued by the idea of connecting one and being able to follow a
> complex (or simple) course. I'm using the Navionics app on my phone now,
> which is great.
>
> > On Jul 5, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> >
> > Re the chartplotter. Does the unit have an internal compass? I always
> thought it did but never really looked at it or the manual. I would think
> all you would need is to hold a single heading. I've never thought
> autopilots hooked up to a plotter are a good idea but we were always sort
> of minimalists. (Emphasis on "sort" <grin>)
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> > formerly R22 Fretless
> > now Rosborough rf246  Tara
> > (in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)
> >
> >
> >
> > At 06:21 AM 7/5/2016, you wrote:
> >> Thanks Mike. That's actually the manual I've been using, but the pinout
> diagram on page 13 for the bulkhead connector doesn't have anything to
> orient the six identical pins. There's a "key" in the male end of the plug
> that ensures it's always inserted the right way, but they left that off of
> the diagram, so it's missing critical info!
> >>
> >> I ended up opening the unit so I could use a multimeter to identify the
> +12v and ground wires.
> >>
> >> In case it helps anyone else in the future, as you look into the male
> end of the plug with the key at the bottom (6 o'clock) position, the 12v
> pin is at the 1 o'clock position and the ground pin is at the 3 o'clock
> position. This aligns with pins 1 and 2 in the diagram on page 13 if you
> assume that it's a representation of what you'd see looking at the male end
> of the plug with the key at the 6 o'clock position.
> >>
> >> I was able to temporarily connect power and the unit seems to work!
> Now to mount it in the boat and maybe even find a chart plotter it can talk
> to so we can worry less about steering constantly on longer trips...
> >>
> >> Olivier
> >>
> >> > On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:07 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Olivier,
> >> >
> >> > Does this manual help?
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -------------- next part --------------
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> >> > Desc: not available
> >> > URL: <
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160705/dee199da/attachment.pdf
> >
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> >>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jul  5 09:14:53 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMCXDF7fWPhdQNZSk=UaFTs6fgazDfCx_hmCypPk=R-qdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F67DA1F054A01246AF8A15E9A18C86EF0E63A8@TCGEXCHVS.TCGNY.NE.NRT>
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Olivier,

There must be a way to couple the Phantom 4 with the tiller control to
provide wind info, collision avoidance, weather and other course data.  If
only it could stay aloft for more than a half hour, you could get a good
sleep while underway.  DJI publishes a fairly complete API SDK for accessing
the drone info ;-)

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Hank
Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:45 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help

The issue with using a chartplotter when under sail is that the wind is not
generally coming from a constant heading so your sail trim will not always
been very good.  I used to own an Islander 36 with a chartplotter, wheel
pilot and a NMEA compliant wind guage and my auto pilot could then keep a
constant point of wind based upon the wind direction detected by the wind
gauge.

Hank



From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Jul  5 09:54:48 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 09:54:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
In-Reply-To: <00ed01d1d6bf$3a1c5d10$ae551730$@ebsmed.com>
References: <F67DA1F054A01246AF8A15E9A18C86EF0E63A8@TCGEXCHVS.TCGNY.NE.NRT>
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Just don't sleep (or watch DVDs) like the Tesla driver!

Hank

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> Olivier,
>
> There must be a way to couple the Phantom 4 with the tiller control to
> provide wind info, collision avoidance, weather and other course data.  If
> only it could stay aloft for more than a half hour, you could get a good
> sleep while underway.  DJI publishes a fairly complete API SDK for
> accessing
> the drone info ;-)
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Hank
> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
>
> The issue with using a chartplotter when under sail is that the wind is not
> generally coming from a constant heading so your sail trim will not always
> been very good.  I used to own an Islander 36 with a chartplotter, wheel
> pilot and a NMEA compliant wind guage and my auto pilot could then keep a
> constant point of wind based upon the wind direction detected by the wind
> gauge.
>
> Hank
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
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>

From bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul  5 10:01:14 2016
From: bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net (Rhodes22)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:01:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount and Engine
	Cover
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Message-ID: <5D5E68BF-1C28-4A72-8D34-66797800F44E@bellsouth.net>

Phil is indeed a great guy.  My engine cover is great as well!  He will now have a second career!!  {:>)

Bob in Stuart (Location of the Grunge Water). S/V "NoKaOi 3"

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 24, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here's some pics of my manual motor lift. It's similar to the earlier
> model, but with beefed up rails, a more substantial engine mount and an 8:1
> pulley system. Electric lift is nice, but I find very easy to manually lift
> my engine.
> 
> BTW the beautiful engine cover is made by fellow R22 owner Philip Gautier
> who sails out of Toronto and owns a sewing machine....thanks Phil
>> On Jun 23, 2016 12:49 PM, "Richard Beytagh" <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual one
>> Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp Tohatsu
>> 4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>> 
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your
>>> motor,
>>> why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in the grey
>>> piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the whole thing.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester <
>>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. The
>>>> Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the ONLY
>>> thing
>>>> keeping the motor verticle!
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Hank
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>>>> 
>>>> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
>>>> 
>>>> Hank
>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
>>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Go with new?
>>>>> Upgrade entire mount system?
>>>>> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> Sunapee, NH
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Tue Jul  5 10:04:34 2016
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Christopher Cowie)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 14:04:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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I used my tiller pilot a fair amount when sailing out of Herrington Harbor on the Chesapeake Bay for day long trips across the bay for an overnight trip up the Wye River on the Eastern Shore of Maryland.  While I had the pilot connected to my Garmin fish finder I found it simpler to point the boat in the direction I want to travel and hit the autopilot button, use the +and - keys for minor adjustments and the manual button to cancel guidance.  The pilot also has an option for a remote control but that seems unnecessary given I am always just a few feet away from the pilot buttons.  

I now sail on the Potomac river with lots of in town commercial and pleasure traffic and narrow deep water channels and only rely on the pilot for short legs and breaks.

Christopher P. Cowie? ??


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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:55 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help

Just don't sleep (or watch DVDs) like the Tesla driver!

Hank

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> Olivier,
>
> There must be a way to couple the Phantom 4 with the tiller control to 
> provide wind info, collision avoidance, weather and other course data.  
> If only it could stay aloft for more than a half hour, you could get a 
> good sleep while underway.  DJI publishes a fairly complete API SDK 
> for accessing the drone info ;-)
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> Behalf Of Hank
> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
>
> The issue with using a chartplotter when under sail is that the wind 
> is not generally coming from a constant heading so your sail trim will 
> not always been very good.  I used to own an Islander 36 with a 
> chartplotter, wheel pilot and a NMEA compliant wind guage and my auto 
> pilot could then keep a constant point of wind based upon the wind 
> direction detected by the wind gauge.
>
> Hank
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 10:32:23 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:32:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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Cool idea...that would take my overkill here even further!  Maybe a lightweight umbilical to the drone varying power and NMEA data?

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Just don't sleep (or watch DVDs) like the Tesla driver!
> 
> Hank
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Olivier,
>> 
>> There must be a way to couple the Phantom 4 with the tiller control to
>> provide wind info, collision avoidance, weather and other course data.  If
>> only it could stay aloft for more than a half hour, you could get a good
>> sleep while underway.  DJI publishes a fairly complete API SDK for
>> accessing
>> the drone info ;-)
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Hank
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2016 8:45 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
>> 
>> The issue with using a chartplotter when under sail is that the wind is not
>> generally coming from a constant heading so your sail trim will not always
>> been very good.  I used to own an Islander 36 with a chartplotter, wheel
>> pilot and a NMEA compliant wind guage and my auto pilot could then keep a
>> constant point of wind based upon the wind direction detected by the wind
>> gauge.
>> 
>> Hank
>> 
>> 
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Tue Jul  5 10:56:16 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:56:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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Agreed and that would be even cooler. And I definitely want to sail the boat myself most of the time, but I can't help try to get all the sophistication possible "just in case" and it should be useful while motoring or on really long legs with fairly steady wind. I'll start with just the tiller pilot and then see if I need more from there. 

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 8:44 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The issue with using a chartplotter when under sail is that the wind is not
> generally coming from a constant heading so your sail trim will not always
> been very good.  I used to own an Islander 36 with a chartplotter, wheel
> pilot and a NMEA compliant wind guage and my auto pilot could then keep a
> constant point of wind based upon the wind direction detected by the wind
> gauge.
> 
> Hank
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 8:12 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> It does have the internal compass. A chart plotter is definitely overkill
>> but I'm intrigued by the idea of connecting one and being able to follow a
>> complex (or simple) course. I'm using the Navionics app on my phone now,
>> which is great.
>> 
>>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 7:36 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Re the chartplotter. Does the unit have an internal compass? I always
>> thought it did but never really looked at it or the manual. I would think
>> all you would need is to hold a single heading. I've never thought
>> autopilots hooked up to a plotter are a good idea but we were always sort
>> of minimalists. (Emphasis on "sort" <grin>)
>>> 
>>> Mary Lou
>>> 
>>> formerly R22 Fretless
>>> now Rosborough rf246  Tara
>>> (in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> At 06:21 AM 7/5/2016, you wrote:
>>>> Thanks Mike. That's actually the manual I've been using, but the pinout
>> diagram on page 13 for the bulkhead connector doesn't have anything to
>> orient the six identical pins. There's a "key" in the male end of the plug
>> that ensures it's always inserted the right way, but they left that off of
>> the diagram, so it's missing critical info!
>>>> 
>>>> I ended up opening the unit so I could use a multimeter to identify the
>> +12v and ground wires.
>>>> 
>>>> In case it helps anyone else in the future, as you look into the male
>> end of the plug with the key at the bottom (6 o'clock) position, the 12v
>> pin is at the 1 o'clock position and the ground pin is at the 3 o'clock
>> position. This aligns with pins 1 and 2 in the diagram on page 13 if you
>> assume that it's a representation of what you'd see looking at the male end
>> of the plug with the key at the 6 o'clock position.
>>>> 
>>>> I was able to temporarily connect power and the unit seems to work!
>> Now to mount it in the boat and maybe even find a chart plotter it can talk
>> to so we can worry less about steering constantly on longer trips...
>>>> 
>>>> Olivier
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 5, 2016, at 12:07 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Olivier,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does this manual help?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>> 
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  6 00:45:19 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 00:45:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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In case anyone wants to see more, here?s the ~6 minutes of total footage I got of Fretless underway the other day.  There are more sections in here where the framing is terrible (or nonexistent) as I was struggling to see what the camera was seeing, but I did add some music!

You can also see the mini-drama of the recovery?

https://youtu.be/W-a673QdC0s

Olivier
s/v Fretless

> On Jul 4, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Glad to see Fretless out there enjoying herself and getting a workout. The video is great. Nice to see new aerial shots. The drone is a great toy... um... tool ;-)
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Mary Lou and Fred
> 
> 
> At 03:49 PM 7/3/2016, you wrote:
>> We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday
> a 
>> perfeect sailing day on the Rappahannock and we had the whole family including the dog this time
> everyone seemedd to enjoy it.  It was a 
>> tough start and finish to the day dealing with a broken trailer jack before we launched and a flat trailer tire when we retrieved her.  Fortunately, some improvisation with the car???s jack, wood blocking, and extra tools I had decided to bring at the last minute allowed us to still enjoy the day. I even managed to get the spinnaker (Doyle ???UPS") up during a more calm period on the water, and it was really easy to deploy and worked very well.  I think we hit ~7 mph for a little while on a reach
> that was 
>> exxciting!  I also managed to get her ???wing-on-wing??? for a few minutes while running, although that was pretty hard to sustain! Here???s a quick video I was able to shoot from the drone (nice to have an aerial scouting vehicle on board to check weather or what???s around the next point of land, etc.)
> launching and retrrieving it from a moving 
>> sailboat crewed by novices was definitely exciting and a little nerve-racking, but we got it done.  The camera work is not great, either, since the video link to my phone was full of interference for some reason
> possibly the VHF 
>> traffic
> I hadhad to fly and frame the shots 
>> without really being able to see what the camera was pointing at
> https://youutu.be/PyG78xToiVM 
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  6 06:04:22 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 06:04:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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Bob, your installation is what I'm trying to do as well. Do you have the length of the extension and drop bracket you used?

Olivier

> On Jul 5, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Christopher Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> I used my tiller pilot a fair amount when sailing out of Herrington Harbor on the Chesapeake Bay for day long trips across the bay for an overnight trip up the Wye River on the Eastern Shore of Maryland.  While I had the pilot connected to my Garmin fish finder I found it simpler to point the boat in the direction I want to travel and hit the autopilot button, use the +and - keys for minor adjustments and the manual button to cancel guidance.  The pilot also has an option for a remote control but that seems unnecessary given I am always just a few feet away from the pilot buttons.  
> 
> I now sail on the Potomac river with lots of in town commercial and pleasure traffic and narrow deep water channels and only rely on the pilot for short legs and breaks.
> 
> Christopher P. Cowie    
> 
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2016 9:55 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
> 
> Just don't sleep (or watch DVDs) like the Tesla driver!
> 
> Hank
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Olivier,
>> 
>> There must be a way to couple the Phantom 4 with the tiller control to 
>> provide wind info, collision avoidance, weather and other course data.  
>> If only it could stay aloft for more than a half hour, you could get a 


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jul  6 11:35:36 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 11:35:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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Oliver:
This is an amazing video. So nice to see a Rhodes from the air under sail. But my big question is this:do drones float? If not I truly admire your courage.
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
Sent: July 6, 2016 12:45 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless

In case anyone wants to see more, here?s the ~6 minutes of total footage I got of Fretless underway the other day.  There are more sections in here where the framing is terrible (or nonexistent) as I was struggling to see what the camera was seeing, but I did add some music!

You can also see the mini-drama of the recovery?

https://youtu.be/W-a673QdC0s

Olivier
s/v Fretless

> On Jul 4, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Glad to see Fretless out there enjoying herself and getting a workout. 
> The video is great. Nice to see new aerial shots. The drone is a great 
> toy... um... tool ;-)
> 
> Enjoy!
> 
> Mary Lou and Fred
> 
> 
> At 03:49 PM 7/3/2016, you wrote:
>> We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday
> a
>> perfeect sailing day on the Rappahannock and we had the whole family 
>> including the dog this time
> everyone seemedd to enjoy it.  It was a
>> tough start and finish to the day dealing with a broken trailer jack 
>> before we launched and a flat trailer tire when we retrieved her.  
>> Fortunately, some improvisation with the car???s jack, wood blocking, 
>> and extra tools I had decided to bring at the last minute allowed us 
>> to still enjoy the day. I even managed to get the spinnaker (Doyle 
>> ???UPS") up during a more calm period on the water, and it was really 
>> easy to deploy and worked very well.  I think we hit ~7 mph for a 
>> little while on a reach
> that was
>> exxciting!  I also managed to get her ???wing-on-wing??? for a few 
>> minutes while running, although that was pretty hard to sustain! 
>> Here???s a quick video I was able to shoot from the drone (nice to 
>> have an aerial scouting vehicle on board to check weather or what???s 
>> around the next point of land, etc.)
> launching and retrrieving it from a moving
>> sailboat crewed by novices was definitely exciting and a little 
>> nerve-racking, but we got it done.  The camera work is not great, 
>> either, since the video link to my phone was full of interference for 
>> some reason
> possibly the VHF
>> traffic
> I hadhad to fly and frame the shots
>> without really being able to see what the camera was pointing at
> https://youutu.be/PyG78xToiVM
>> Olivier __________________________________________________ To 
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>> 07/03/16
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  6 12:13:51 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:13:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
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They might float for a few seconds before sinking but would be ruined by contact with water. There is a company that uses a "nano coating" to waterproof drones, but mine doesn't have that :(

It's not something I'd do regularly or casually but I had to try it. The drone gets boring quickly without interesting subject matter and this was too good to pass up. In the future, I'd probably launch and retrieve from anchor or while drifting with the sails furled...that should be very easy and the drone has a 20-25 minute flight time so there would be plenty of time to get the sails back out and get some nice shots. 

> On Jul 6, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Oliver:
> This is an amazing video. So nice to see a Rhodes from the air under sail. But my big question is this:do drones float? If not I truly admire your courage.
> Graham
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
> Sent: July 6, 2016 12:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Drone video of Fretless
> 
> In case anyone wants to see more, here?s the ~6 minutes of total footage I got of Fretless underway the other day.  There are more sections in here where the framing is terrible (or nonexistent) as I was struggling to see what the camera was seeing, but I did add some music!
> 
> You can also see the mini-drama of the recovery?
> 
> https://youtu.be/W-a673QdC0s
> 
> Olivier
> s/v Fretless
> 
>> On Jul 4, 2016, at 7:51 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Glad to see Fretless out there enjoying herself and getting a workout. 
>> The video is great. Nice to see new aerial shots. The drone is a great 
>> toy... um... tool ;-)
>> 
>> Enjoy!
>> 
>> Mary Lou and Fred
>> 
>> 
>> At 03:49 PM 7/3/2016, you wrote:
>>> We had our second sail on Fretless yesterday
>> a
>>> perfeect sailing day on the Rappahannock and we had the whole family 
>>> including the dog this time
>> everyone seemedd to enjoy it.  It was a
>>> tough start and finish to the day dealing with a broken trailer jack 
>>> before we launched and a flat trailer tire when we retrieved her.  
>>> Fortunately, some improvisation with the car???s jack, wood blocking, 
>>> and extra tools I had decided to bring at the last minute allowed us 
>>> to still enjoy the day. I even managed to get the spinnaker (Doyle 
>>> ???UPS") up during a more calm period on the water, and it was really 
>>> easy to deploy and worked very well.  I think we hit ~7 mph for a 
>>> little while on a reach
>> that was
>>> exxciting!  I also managed to get her ???wing-on-wing??? for a few 
>>> minutes while running, although that was pretty hard to sustain! 
>>> Here???s a quick video I was able to shoot from the drone (nice to 
>>> have an aerial scouting vehicle on board to check weather or what???s 
>>> around the next point of land, etc.)
>> launching and retrrieving it from a moving
>>> sailboat crewed by novices was definitely exciting and a little 
>>> nerve-racking, but we got it done.  The camera work is not great, 
>>> either, since the video link to my phone was full of interference for 
>>> some reason
>> possibly the VHF
>>> traffic
>> I hadhad to fly and frame the shots
>>> without really being able to see what the camera was pointing at
>> https://youutu.be/PyG78xToiVM
>>> Olivier __________________________________________________ To 
>>> subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jul  6 12:46:19 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 12:46:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bow light on pulpit
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A while back there was some discussion about putting the navigation lights on the bow pulpit. I recently found a way to do that relatively cheaply using the hardware shown in the attached pictures. Installation does not require welding of a mount to the pulpit and allows for the light to be rotated down out of the way when the mast is resting on the pulpit. The wiring is fed through a hole in the rail and down through the foot of the bow rail into the cabin V birth. It might not be the sturdiest arrangement and only time will tell whether this arrangement is adequate.

For those who have been aware of my endless restoration odyssey, you will be relieved to know that with  the nav light and deck hardware now installed I have finally finished the rebuild of the keel, windows, deck delamination and exterior of the boat. Now for the interior... I think the end is within sight.


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada


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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Jul  6 13:24:41 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 13:24:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bow light on pulpit
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Graham,

The end will be in sight when you have an aft light on your transom rail.?

Rick

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

>
> A while back there was some discussion about putting the navigation lights
> on the bow pulpit. I recently found a way to do that relatively cheaply
> using the hardware shown in the attached pictures. Installation does not
> require welding of a mount to the pulpit and allows for the light to be
> rotated down out of the way when the mast is resting on the pulpit. The
> wiring is fed through a hole in the rail and down through the foot of the
> bow rail into the cabin V birth. It might not be the sturdiest arrangement
> and only time will tell whether this arrangement is adequate.
>
> For those who have been aware of my endless restoration odyssey, you will
> be relieved to know that with  the nav light and deck hardware now
> installed I have finally finished the rebuild of the keel, windows, deck
> delamination and exterior of the boat. Now for the interior... I think the
> end is within sight.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
>
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Jul  6 15:16:44 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:16:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bow light on pulpit
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HI Graham
I rebuilt my galley this year and have attached a few pics.
The top is Corian I got for free - a scrap from a large job by a solid surface contractor I know. 
I used the old one for a template.
The Mahogany is 5/4 x 4 decking that I cut up - its cheap and looks great - I have Teak oiled it since photo and it looks even better. 
The Plexi is thin - 1/8? from Home Depot (I got that for free too, because the check out could not find a price or skew)  and stiffened with the 1/2 x 1? mahogany strips.
The tracks are the same mahogany with carbide tip saw cuts, which were the perfect width for the thin plastic. 
I was worried that the plexi was too thin, but it works and looks great, and the price was right. 
I cut a piece to fit over the original Coleman cooler and it looks pretty good too. 
I bought on-line,  a set of three pull out plastic drawers, 24? total height, which fit perfectly into the space the right of the sink. 
I would add a better faucet and pressure pump and foot pump too in my perfect world, but this works fine for now. 
I made the swing out bracket for the GPS out of mahogany too and it works great. 
Those cups under the counter top are for ?under-counter' lights that I planned to install, but I have since decided to install  LED strip lights instead. 
The switches to the left are for 4 mast lights, Steaming - Anchor - Down Light - Windex light. 
The main Panel is located under the Companionway, as the original. 
Ric 
sv Dadventure 






 
> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> A while back there was some discussion about putting the navigation lights on the bow pulpit. I recently found a way to do that relatively cheaply using the hardware shown in the attached pictures. Installation does not require welding of a mount to the pulpit and allows for the light to be rotated down out of the way when the mast is resting on the pulpit. The wiring is fed through a hole in the rail and down through the foot of the bow rail into the cabin V birth. It might not be the sturdiest arrangement and only time will tell whether this arrangement is adequate.
> 
> For those who have been aware of my endless restoration odyssey, you will be relieved to know that with  the nav light and deck hardware now installed I have finally finished the rebuild of the keel, windows, deck delamination and exterior of the boat. Now for the interior... I think the end is within sight.
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Jul  6 15:20:05 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 15:20:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Rebuild
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I forgot to change the subject line - sorry. 
Here it is again. 

HI Graham
I rebuilt my galley this year and have attached a few pics.
The top is Corian I got for free - a scrap from a large job by a solid surface contractor I know. 
I used the old one for a template.
The Mahogany is 5/4 x 4 decking that I cut up - its cheap and looks great - I have Teak oiled it since photo and it looks even better. 
The Plexi is thin - 1/8? from Home Depot (I got that for free too, because the check out could not find a price or skew)  and stiffened with the 1/2 x 1? mahogany strips.
The tracks are the same mahogany with carbide tip saw cuts, which were the perfect width for the thin plastic. 
I was worried that the plexi was too thin, but it works and looks great, and the price was right. 
I cut a piece to fit over the original Coleman cooler and it looks pretty good too. 
I bought on-line,  a set of three pull out plastic drawers, 24? total height, which fit perfectly into the space the right of the sink. 
I would add a better faucet and pressure pump and foot pump too in my perfect world, but this works fine for now. 
I made the swing out bracket for the GPS out of mahogany too and it works great. 
Those cups under the counter top are for ?under-counter' lights that I planned to install, but I have since decided to install  LED strip lights instead. 
The switches to the left are for 4 mast lights, Steaming - Anchor - Down Light - Windex light. 
The main Panel is located under the Companionway, as the original. 
Ric 
sv Dadventure 


> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> A while back there was some discussion about putting the navigation lights on the bow pulpit. I recently found a way to do that relatively cheaply using the hardware shown in the attached pictures. Installation does not require welding of a mount to the pulpit and allows for the light to be rotated down out of the way when the mast is resting on the pulpit. The wiring is fed through a hole in the rail and down through the foot of the bow rail into the cabin V birth. It might not be the sturdiest arrangement and only time will tell whether this arrangement is adequate.
> 
> For those who have been aware of my endless restoration odyssey, you will be relieved to know that with  the nav light and deck hardware now installed I have finally finished the rebuild of the keel, windows, deck delamination and exterior of the boat. Now for the interior... I think the end is within sight.
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
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From rodellner at mac.com  Wed Jul  6 20:03:36 2016
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 19:03:36 -0500
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No pix of galley came  through!
> On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> HI Graham
> I rebuilt my galley this year and have attached a few pics.
> The top is Corian I got for free - a scrap from a large job by a solid surface contractor I know. 
> I used the old one for a template.
> The Mahogany is 5/4 x 4 decking that I cut up - its cheap and looks great - I have Teak oiled it since photo and it looks even better. 
> The Plexi is thin - 1/8? from Home Depot (I got that for free too, because the check out could not find a price or skew)  and stiffened with the 1/2 x 1? mahogany strips.
> The tracks are the same mahogany with carbide tip saw cuts, which were the perfect width for the thin plastic. 
> I was worried that the plexi was too thin, but it works and looks great, and the price was right. 
> I cut a piece to fit over the original Coleman cooler and it looks pretty good too. 
> I bought on-line,  a set of three pull out plastic drawers, 24? total height, which fit perfectly into the space the right of the sink. 
> I would add a better faucet and pressure pump and foot pump too in my perfect world, but this works fine for now. 
> I made the swing out bracket for the GPS out of mahogany too and it works great. 
> Those cups under the counter top are for ?under-counter' lights that I planned to install, but I have since decided to install  LED strip lights instead. 
> The switches to the left are for 4 mast lights, Steaming - Anchor - Down Light - Windex light. 
> The main Panel is located under the Companionway, as the original. 
> Ric 
> sv Dadventure 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> A while back there was some discussion about putting the navigation lights on the bow pulpit. I recently found a way to do that relatively cheaply using the hardware shown in the attached pictures. Installation does not require welding of a mount to the pulpit and allows for the light to be rotated down out of the way when the mast is resting on the pulpit. The wiring is fed through a hole in the rail and down through the foot of the bow rail into the cabin V birth. It might not be the sturdiest arrangement and only time will tell whether this arrangement is adequate.
>> 
>> For those who have been aware of my endless restoration odyssey, you will be relieved to know that with  the nav light and deck hardware now installed I have finally finished the rebuild of the keel, windows, deck delamination and exterior of the boat. Now for the interior... I think the end is within sight.
>> 
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile. R22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Jul  6 20:19:51 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 20:19:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges
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Olivier,

Here?s some info on the strut:

The brand name printed on it is ?SpringLift?.  A quick internet search reveals that this is probably made by a company called Attwood Marine. Looking at their website (http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/product/oem-gas-springs <http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/product/oem-gas-springs>), and checking against some measurements I took, I?d say this unit is one with an extended length of 12.04?, a compressed length of 8.46?, and a stroke of 3.58?.  Unfortunately, there are several variations available with these specifications.  I?ll be back on the boat on Friday, and will take a closer look and see if I can find a part or model number on the strut.

The attachments for the ends of the struts are another issue.  There?s no indication that Attwood sells these.  My guess is that they are custom made by the elves at General Boats, probably out of 1/8? aluminum stock.  And here I?m just talking about the brackets.  There?s another piece at each end that attaches the end of the strut to the bracket.  At the moment, I have no idea what that piece might be.  Again, I?ll take another look on Friday.

The easiest approach here may be to contact General Boats and see if they will sell you a kit for this.   As I recall, you?ve got the ?Certificate of Support?.

I?m going to attempt to attach a picture, which may help clarify.

Graham,

If that picture comes through, it will also have a pretty clear shot of one of the laz hinges.  Oddly, it seems to be of a design that would allow for the hatch cover to be easily slid to one side and removed, except that the gas strut won?t allow it.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)




> On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Peter:
> While you are at it regarding the strut on the lazarette cover, I would be interested in knowing what was used for hinges. A close up picture would be very helpful.
> Thanks for the video.
> Thanks,
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
> Sent: July 1, 2016 10:19 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
> 
> Hi Peter. Congrats on the launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your videos have been great.
> 
> I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add one to Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut and share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number?  
> 
> The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me is little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little projects like this...
> 
> Olivier and Faith Hecht
> s/v Fretless
> on the Rappahanock 
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Jul  6 20:26:14 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 20:26:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges
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It appears to me that my picture attachment did not come through.

The file name was 'Laz Hatch Strut.jpg'.  The file size was 874 KB.  I just attached it to the email like I was going to send it to anyone else.  I?m using a Mac and the standard Mac mail program.

Anyone have any idea what I?m doing wrong?

Thanks,

Peter

> On Jul 6, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> Here?s some info on the strut:
> 
> The brand name printed on it is ?SpringLift?.  A quick internet search reveals that this is probably made by a company called Attwood Marine. Looking at their website (http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/product/oem-gas-springs <http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/product/oem-gas-springs>), and checking against some measurements I took, I?d say this unit is one with an extended length of 12.04?, a compressed length of 8.46?, and a stroke of 3.58?.  Unfortunately, there are several variations available with these specifications.  I?ll be back on the boat on Friday, and will take a closer look and see if I can find a part or model number on the strut.
> 
> The attachments for the ends of the struts are another issue.  There?s no indication that Attwood sells these.  My guess is that they are custom made by the elves at General Boats, probably out of 1/8? aluminum stock.  And here I?m just talking about the brackets.  There?s another piece at each end that attaches the end of the strut to the bracket.  At the moment, I have no idea what that piece might be.  Again, I?ll take another look on Friday.
> 
> The easiest approach here may be to contact General Boats and see if they will sell you a kit for this.   As I recall, you?ve got the ?Certificate of Support?.
> 
> I?m going to attempt to attach a picture, which may help clarify.
> 
> Graham,
> 
> If that picture comes through, it will also have a pretty clear shot of one of the laz hinges.  Oddly, it seems to be of a design that would allow for the hatch cover to be easily slid to one side and removed, except that the gas strut won?t allow it.  
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Peter:
>> While you are at it regarding the strut on the lazarette cover, I would be interested in knowing what was used for hinges. A close up picture would be very helpful.
>> Thanks for the video.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile. R22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
>> Sent: July 1, 2016 10:19 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
>> 
>> Hi Peter. Congrats on the launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your videos have been great.
>> 
>> I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add one to Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut and share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number?  
>> 
>> The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me is little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little projects like this...
>> 
>> Olivier and Faith Hecht
>> s/v Fretless
>> on the Rappahanock 
>> 
> 
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jul  6 22:38:05 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 22:38:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Rebuild
In-Reply-To: <6508B109-7503-4E28-8C50-1114A6D29882@steelbone.com>
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Ric:

Sounds terrific but the pictures didn't come through. Can you resend them I am very interested in seeing what you did.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: July 6, 2016 3:20 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Rebuild

I forgot to change the subject line - sorry. 
Here it is again. 

HI Graham
I rebuilt my galley this year and have attached a few pics.
The top is Corian I got for free - a scrap from a large job by a solid surface contractor I know. 
I used the old one for a template.
The Mahogany is 5/4 x 4 decking that I cut up - its cheap and looks great - I have Teak oiled it since photo and it looks even better. 
The Plexi is thin - 1/8? from Home Depot (I got that for free too, because the check out could not find a price or skew)  and stiffened with the 1/2 x 1? mahogany strips.
The tracks are the same mahogany with carbide tip saw cuts, which were the perfect width for the thin plastic. 
I was worried that the plexi was too thin, but it works and looks great, and the price was right. 
I cut a piece to fit over the original Coleman cooler and it looks pretty good too. 
I bought on-line,  a set of three pull out plastic drawers, 24? total height, which fit perfectly into the space the right of the sink. 
I would add a better faucet and pressure pump and foot pump too in my perfect world, but this works fine for now. 
I made the swing out bracket for the GPS out of mahogany too and it works great. 
Those cups under the counter top are for ?under-counter' lights that I planned to install, but I have since decided to install  LED strip lights instead. 
The switches to the left are for 4 mast lights, Steaming - Anchor - Down Light - Windex light. 
The main Panel is located under the Companionway, as the original. 
Ric 
sv Dadventure 


> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> 
> A while back there was some discussion about putting the navigation lights on the bow pulpit. I recently found a way to do that relatively cheaply using the hardware shown in the attached pictures. Installation does not require welding of a mount to the pulpit and allows for the light to be rotated down out of the way when the mast is resting on the pulpit. The wiring is fed through a hole in the rail and down through the foot of the bow rail into the cabin V birth. It might not be the sturdiest arrangement and only time will tell whether this arrangement is adequate.
> 
> For those who have been aware of my endless restoration odyssey, you will be relieved to know that with  the nav light and deck hardware now installed I have finally finished the rebuild of the keel, windows, deck delamination and exterior of the boat. Now for the interior... I think the end is within sight.
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Jul  6 23:40:19 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2016 23:40:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
In-Reply-To: <CA28127E-D85E-4B8C-B931-8CC98D3AEF7C@earthlink.net>
References: <F67DA1F054A01246AF8A15E9A18C86EF0E63A8@TCGEXCHVS.TCGNY.NE.NRT>
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Olivier,

You may find this past discussion of an autopilot installation from the
Rhodes 22 archives of some value:

http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200610/10/TillerPilotS
etuponRhodes22.pdf

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY




From ohecht at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 05:55:45 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 05:55:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
In-Reply-To: <004f01d1d801$4a42be30$dec83a90$@ebsmed.com>
References: <F67DA1F054A01246AF8A15E9A18C86EF0E63A8@TCGEXCHVS.TCGNY.NE.NRT>
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Message-ID: <FC2ED4E2-45FF-48D5-BB2B-A8010BC3BE72@earthlink.net>

Thanks, Mike...this is a great reference and I don't know how I missed it during my searches. I like the idea of using the coaming box for the connections as it avoids drilling another hole and should also allow me to splice in my own weatherproof connectors...the part for the bulkhead connector is proving hard to find so far...

> On Jul 6, 2016, at 11:40 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> You may find this past discussion of an autopilot installation from the
> Rhodes 22 archives of some value:
> 
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200610/10/TillerPilotS
> etuponRhodes22.pdf
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 06:03:30 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 06:03:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges
In-Reply-To: <780CAC27-4469-409A-903E-070AD76D93AB@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <F373FC6B-04B1-4B08-ACDF-B3C597C32E9B@sunnybeeches.com>
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 <00f201d1d410$88a2a220$99e7e660$@ca>
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Message-ID: <D3AE00E8-DAB6-453B-9A5A-F7E4A7A69FB6@earthlink.net>

Thanks Peter...I got the picture in the separate email and that with the part info helps a lot!  There are a lot of those brackets available but seeing how Stan mounted it reduces a lot of the trial and error to get it working. On the lid itself, do the screws/bolts pass through the fiberglass, or are the somehow bonded to or embedded in the bottom of the lid without poking through the other side?

> On Jul 6, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> Here?s some info on the strut:
> 
> The brand name printed on it is ?SpringLift?.  A quick internet search reveals that this is probably made by a company called Attwood Marine. Looking at their website (http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/product/oem-gas-springs <http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/product/oem-gas-springs>), and checking against some measurements I took, I?d say this unit is one with an extended length of 12.04?, a compressed length of 8.46?, and a stroke of 3.58?.  Unfortunately, there are several variations available with these specifications.  I?ll be back on the boat on Friday, and will take a closer look and see if I can find a part or model number on the strut.
> 
> The attachments for the ends of the struts are another issue.  There?s no indication that Attwood sells these.  My guess is that they are custom made by the elves at General Boats, probably out of 1/8? aluminum stock.  And here I?m just talking about the brackets.  There?s another piece at each end that attaches the end of the strut to the bracket.  At the moment, I have no idea what that piece might be.  Again, I?ll take another look on Friday.
> 
> The easiest approach here may be to contact General Boats and see if they will sell you a kit for this.   As I recall, you?ve got the ?Certificate of Support?.
> 
> I?m going to attempt to attach a picture, which may help clarify.
> 
> Graham,
> 
> If that picture comes through, it will also have a pretty clear shot of one of the laz hinges.  Oddly, it seems to be of a design that would allow for the hatch cover to be easily slid to one side and removed, except that the gas strut won?t allow it.  
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Peter:
>> While you are at it regarding the strut on the lazarette cover, I would be interested in knowing what was used for hinges. A close up picture would be very helpful.
>> Thanks for the video.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile. R22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
>> Sent: July 1, 2016 10:19 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
>> 
>> Hi Peter. Congrats on the launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your videos have been great.
>> 
>> I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add one to Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut and share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number?  
>> 
>> The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me is little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little projects like this...
>> 
>> Olivier and Faith Hecht
>> s/v Fretless
>> on the Rappahanock
> 
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From ric at steelbone.com  Thu Jul  7 07:11:10 2016
From: ric at steelbone.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 07:11:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges
In-Reply-To: <E7D285DA-2C47-4FB2-B45A-78935D13B568@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <F373FC6B-04B1-4B08-ACDF-B3C597C32E9B@sunnybeeches.com>
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Message-ID: <0EDBDB29-6EB3-4978-AFA5-27C5D9447FC1@steelbone.com>

I have the same problem with my Mac mail. 
Ric
Dadventure 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2016, at 8:26 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> It appears to me that my picture attachment did not come through.
> 
> The file name was 'Laz Hatch Strut.jpg'.  The file size was 874 KB.  I just attached it to the email like I was going to send it to anyone else.  I?m using a Mac and the standard Mac mail program.
> 
> Anyone have any idea what I?m doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 8:19 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Olivier,
>> 
>> Here?s some info on the strut:
>> 
>> The brand name printed on it is ?SpringLift?.  A quick internet search reveals that this is probably made by a company called Attwood Marine. Looking at their website (http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/product/oem-gas-springs <http://www.attwoodmarine.com/store/product/oem-gas-springs>), and checking against some measurements I took, I?d say this unit is one with an extended length of 12.04?, a compressed length of 8.46?, and a stroke of 3.58?.  Unfortunately, there are several variations available with these specifications.  I?ll be back on the boat on Friday, and will take a closer look and see if I can find a part or model number on the strut.
>> 
>> The attachments for the ends of the struts are another issue.  There?s no indication that Attwood sells these.  My guess is that they are custom made by the elves at General Boats, probably out of 1/8? aluminum stock.  And here I?m just talking about the brackets.  There?s another piece at each end that attaches the end of the strut to the bracket.  At the moment, I have no idea what that piece might be.  Again, I?ll take another look on Friday.
>> 
>> The easiest approach here may be to contact General Boats and see if they will sell you a kit for this.   As I recall, you?ve got the ?Certificate of Support?.
>> 
>> I?m going to attempt to attach a picture, which may help clarify.
>> 
>> Graham,
>> 
>> If that picture comes through, it will also have a pretty clear shot of one of the laz hinges.  Oddly, it seems to be of a design that would allow for the hatch cover to be easily slid to one side and removed, except that the gas strut won?t allow it.  
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 1, 2016, at 11:19 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Peter:
>>> While you are at it regarding the strut on the lazarette cover, I would be interested in knowing what was used for hinges. A close up picture would be very helpful.
>>> Thanks for the video.
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile. R22, 1976
>>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
>>> Sent: July 1, 2016 10:19 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter. Congrats on the launch and I hope you're all healed up. Your videos have been great.
>>> 
>>> I noticed the gas strut on the lazarette lid and I'd like to add one to Fretless. Could you let me know the length and stroke of the strut and share any close up photos of the mounting and/or part number?  
>>> 
>>> The worst part of having Fretless ready to launch but 50 miles from me is little details like this I need to gather parts for all the little projects like this...
>>> 
>>> Olivier and Faith Hecht
>>> s/v Fretless
>>> on the Rappahanock
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
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>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> 
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Jul  7 08:52:53 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 08:52:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bow light on pulpit
In-Reply-To: <3494300C-F713-4A0F-8982-7E2B1E35E30F@mac.com>
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HI Graham
I'm sending from my Gmail account this time, which I've never done before.
Let me know if the pics come through.
ric
sv Dadventure

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com> wrote:

> No pix of galley came  through!
> > On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > HI Graham
> > I rebuilt my galley this year and have attached a few pics.
> > The top is Corian I got for free - a scrap from a large job by a solid
> surface contractor I know.
> > I used the old one for a template.
> > The Mahogany is 5/4 x 4 decking that I cut up - its cheap and looks
> great - I have Teak oiled it since photo and it looks even better.
> > The Plexi is thin - 1/8? from Home Depot (I got that for free too,
> because the check out could not find a price or skew)  and stiffened with
> the 1/2 x 1? mahogany strips.
> > The tracks are the same mahogany with carbide tip saw cuts, which were
> the perfect width for the thin plastic.
> > I was worried that the plexi was too thin, but it works and looks great,
> and the price was right.
> > I cut a piece to fit over the original Coleman cooler and it looks
> pretty good too.
> > I bought on-line,  a set of three pull out plastic drawers, 24? total
> height, which fit perfectly into the space the right of the sink.
> > I would add a better faucet and pressure pump and foot pump too in my
> perfect world, but this works fine for now.
> > I made the swing out bracket for the GPS out of mahogany too and it
> works great.
> > Those cups under the counter top are for ?under-counter' lights that I
> planned to install, but I have since decided to install  LED strip lights
> instead.
> > The switches to the left are for 4 mast lights, Steaming - Anchor - Down
> Light - Windex light.
> > The main Panel is located under the Companionway, as the original.
> > Ric
> > sv Dadventure
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> A while back there was some discussion about putting the navigation
> lights on the bow pulpit. I recently found a way to do that relatively
> cheaply using the hardware shown in the attached pictures. Installation
> does not require welding of a mount to the pulpit and allows for the light
> to be rotated down out of the way when the mast is resting on the pulpit.
> The wiring is fed through a hole in the rail and down through the foot of
> the bow rail into the cabin V birth. It might not be the sturdiest
> arrangement and only time will tell whether this arrangement is adequate.
> >>
> >> For those who have been aware of my endless restoration odyssey, you
> will be relieved to know that with  the nav light and deck hardware now
> installed I have finally finished the rebuild of the keel, windows, deck
> delamination and exterior of the boat. Now for the interior... I think the
> end is within sight.
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> Agile. R22, 1976
> >> Kingston Ontario Canada
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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office: 631.283.1777 cell: 516.965.3164
StottArchitecture.com

13 Main Street, Southampton
New York 11968
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jul  7 08:54:49 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:54:49 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bow light on pulpit
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Ric,
Came through like a charm!  Beautiful work!  Thanks.  Rob

Rob Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 8:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] bow light on pulpit

HI Graham
I'm sending from my Gmail account this time, which I've never done before.
Let me know if the pics come through.
ric
sv Dadventure

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com> wrote:

> No pix of galley came  through!
> > On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Richard Stott 
> > <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > HI Graham
> > I rebuilt my galley this year and have attached a few pics.
> > The top is Corian I got for free - a scrap from a large job by a 
> > solid
> surface contractor I know.
> > I used the old one for a template.
> > The Mahogany is 5/4 x 4 decking that I cut up - its cheap and looks
> great - I have Teak oiled it since photo and it looks even better.
> > The Plexi is thin - 1/8? from Home Depot (I got that for free too,
> because the check out could not find a price or skew)  and stiffened 
> with the 1/2 x 1? mahogany strips.
> > The tracks are the same mahogany with carbide tip saw cuts, which 
> > were
> the perfect width for the thin plastic.
> > I was worried that the plexi was too thin, but it works and looks 
> > great,
> and the price was right.
> > I cut a piece to fit over the original Coleman cooler and it looks
> pretty good too.
> > I bought on-line,  a set of three pull out plastic drawers, 24? 
> > total
> height, which fit perfectly into the space the right of the sink.
> > I would add a better faucet and pressure pump and foot pump too in 
> > my
> perfect world, but this works fine for now.
> > I made the swing out bracket for the GPS out of mahogany too and it
> works great.
> > Those cups under the counter top are for ?under-counter' lights that 
> > I
> planned to install, but I have since decided to install  LED strip 
> lights instead.
> > The switches to the left are for 4 mast lights, Steaming - Anchor - 
> > Down
> Light - Windex light.
> > The main Panel is located under the Companionway, as the original.
> > Ric
> > sv Dadventure
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> A while back there was some discussion about putting the navigation
> lights on the bow pulpit. I recently found a way to do that relatively 
> cheaply using the hardware shown in the attached pictures. 
> Installation does not require welding of a mount to the pulpit and 
> allows for the light to be rotated down out of the way when the mast is resting on the pulpit.
> The wiring is fed through a hole in the rail and down through the foot 
> of the bow rail into the cabin V birth. It might not be the sturdiest 
> arrangement and only time will tell whether this arrangement is adequate.
> >>
> >> For those who have been aware of my endless restoration odyssey, 
> >> you
> will be relieved to know that with  the nav light and deck hardware 
> now installed I have finally finished the rebuild of the keel, 
> windows, deck delamination and exterior of the boat. Now for the 
> interior... I think the end is within sight.
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> Agile. R22, 1976
> >> Kingston Ontario Canada
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
> >> archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
> > archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
> __________________________________________________
>



-- 


*Ric Stott, AIA, LEED AP*

office: 631.283.1777 cell: 516.965.3164
StottArchitecture.com

13 Main Street, Southampton
New York 11968
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jul  7 09:14:12 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
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Message-ID: <008701d1d851$7559e030$600da090$@ebsmed.com>

Olivier,

The easiest way to search our archives is to enter "site:rhodes22.org
{search terms}" into a google search bar, without the quotes or braces, of
course.  I simply googled "site:rhodes22.org tiller pilot" to find lots of
interesting info.

In addition to maintaining contact with the Rhodie community and enjoying
everything Rhodes 22 (video from drones, who'd have thought?), preserving
and utilizing the archives daily was the reason that I decided to make the
effort to move "da list" to an Amazon Web Server last March.  We have 15+
years of ideas, discussions, photos, drawings, boat sales listings, etc. and
a community of about 400 wannabes, owners and former owners participating.
I encourage everyone to exchange their ideas (and Rhodes 22 problems) to
utilize this wonderful resource and community.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Olivier Hecht
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 5:56 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help

Thanks, Mike...this is a great reference and I don't know how I missed it
during my searches. I like the idea of using the coaming box for the
connections as it avoids drilling another hole and should also allow me to
splice in my own weatherproof connectors...the part for the bulkhead
connector is proving hard to find so far...

> On Jul 6, 2016, at 11:40 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> You may find this past discussion of an autopilot installation from 
> the Rhodes 22 archives of some value:
> 
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200610/10/Tiller
> PilotS
> etuponRhodes22.pdf
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
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> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jul  7 09:37:34 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:37:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bow light on pulpit
In-Reply-To: <CAMHfGbAJFL+CzKQAwid67+idoHMewhX68SC-k8Bot-_zyQb+HQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <013701d1d854$b82af310$2880d930$@ca>

Ric:

Got the pictures. You did a terrific job. It looks spectacular. I'll keep this info and pictures for my reference when I do my galley.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: July 7, 2016 8:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] bow light on pulpit

HI Graham
I'm sending from my Gmail account this time, which I've never done before.
Let me know if the pics come through.
ric
sv Dadventure

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com> wrote:

> No pix of galley came  through!
> > On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Richard Stott 
> > <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > HI Graham
> > I rebuilt my galley this year and have attached a few pics.
> > The top is Corian I got for free - a scrap from a large job by a 
> > solid
> surface contractor I know.
> > I used the old one for a template.
> > The Mahogany is 5/4 x 4 decking that I cut up - its cheap and looks
> great - I have Teak oiled it since photo and it looks even better.
> > The Plexi is thin - 1/8? from Home Depot (I got that for free too,
> because the check out could not find a price or skew)  and stiffened 
> with the 1/2 x 1? mahogany strips.
> > The tracks are the same mahogany with carbide tip saw cuts, which 
> > were
> the perfect width for the thin plastic.
> > I was worried that the plexi was too thin, but it works and looks 
> > great,
> and the price was right.
> > I cut a piece to fit over the original Coleman cooler and it looks
> pretty good too.
> > I bought on-line,  a set of three pull out plastic drawers, 24? 
> > total
> height, which fit perfectly into the space the right of the sink.
> > I would add a better faucet and pressure pump and foot pump too in 
> > my
> perfect world, but this works fine for now.
> > I made the swing out bracket for the GPS out of mahogany too and it
> works great.
> > Those cups under the counter top are for ?under-counter' lights that 
> > I
> planned to install, but I have since decided to install  LED strip 
> lights instead.
> > The switches to the left are for 4 mast lights, Steaming - Anchor - 
> > Down
> Light - Windex light.
> > The main Panel is located under the Companionway, as the original.
> > Ric
> > sv Dadventure
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> A while back there was some discussion about putting the navigation
> lights on the bow pulpit. I recently found a way to do that relatively 
> cheaply using the hardware shown in the attached pictures. 
> Installation does not require welding of a mount to the pulpit and 
> allows for the light to be rotated down out of the way when the mast is resting on the pulpit.
> The wiring is fed through a hole in the rail and down through the foot 
> of the bow rail into the cabin V birth. It might not be the sturdiest 
> arrangement and only time will tell whether this arrangement is adequate.
> >>
> >> For those who have been aware of my endless restoration odyssey, 
> >> you
> will be relieved to know that with  the nav light and deck hardware 
> now installed I have finally finished the rebuild of the keel, 
> windows, deck delamination and exterior of the boat. Now for the 
> interior... I think the end is within sight.
> >>
> >>
> >> Graham Stewart
> >> Agile. R22, 1976
> >> Kingston Ontario Canada
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >> __________________________________________________
> >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
> >> archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >> __________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
> > archives
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> > __________________________________________________
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
> __________________________________________________
>



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*Ric Stott, AIA, LEED AP*

office: 631.283.1777 cell: 516.965.3164
StottArchitecture.com

13 Main Street, Southampton
New York 11968
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jul  7 09:51:04 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 13:51:04 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thanks to our system folks!
Message-ID: <b7d79b114c3d44a392f2cc2e840b1e67@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Mike,
A public Thank You! for your efforts and for those who preceded you.  Without folks like you stepping up to maintain the system, all of this would be lost.  As a 10+ year member, I can't imagine how Rhodes owners could function without this resource. - rob

Rob Lowe
s/v noname (yet)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 9:14 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help

Olivier,

The easiest way to search our archives is to enter "site:rhodes22.org {search terms}" into a google search bar, without the quotes or braces, of course.  I simply googled "site:rhodes22.org tiller pilot" to find lots of interesting info.

In addition to maintaining contact with the Rhodie community and enjoying everything Rhodes 22 (video from drones, who'd have thought?), preserving and utilizing the archives daily was the reason that I decided to make the effort to move "da list" to an Amazon Web Server last March.  We have 15+ years of ideas, discussions, photos, drawings, boat sales listings, etc. and a community of about 400 wannabes, owners and former owners participating.
I encourage everyone to exchange their ideas (and Rhodes 22 problems) to utilize this wonderful resource and community.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Jul  7 09:55:01 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:55:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bow light on pulpit
In-Reply-To: <013701d1d854$b82af310$2880d930$@ca>
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Graham
You are doing such a fine job, I thought you would like to see the galley, which was surprisingly easy to do, using the old cabinet base and counter top for templates. 
Corian is a perfect material and easy to drill, cut and attach. 
So is the thin plexi. I used a razor like plexiglass cutter and a straight edge, no saw. 
I used the original sink for speed and convenience, but a nice stainless one would be better, or if budget allowed, an integrated Corian sink would look great. 
I never liked the original, off the shelf counter nosing with the fussy and weak spindles, which I broke off by accident last year, so a solid piece of left over mahogany decking was perfect.
I can?t wait to see your galley and the whole new Agile.
Ric 
sv Dadventure
Hampton bays  





 
> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Ric:
> 
> Got the pictures. You did a terrific job. It looks spectacular. I'll keep this info and pictures for my reference when I do my galley.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott
> Sent: July 7, 2016 8:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] bow light on pulpit
> 
> HI Graham
> I'm sending from my Gmail account this time, which I've never done before.
> Let me know if the pics come through.
> ric
> sv Dadventure
> 
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:03 PM, Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> No pix of galley came  through!
>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 2:16 PM, Richard Stott 
>>> <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> HI Graham
>>> I rebuilt my galley this year and have attached a few pics.
>>> The top is Corian I got for free - a scrap from a large job by a 
>>> solid
>> surface contractor I know.
>>> I used the old one for a template.
>>> The Mahogany is 5/4 x 4 decking that I cut up - its cheap and looks
>> great - I have Teak oiled it since photo and it looks even better.
>>> The Plexi is thin - 1/8? from Home Depot (I got that for free too,
>> because the check out could not find a price or skew)  and stiffened 
>> with the 1/2 x 1? mahogany strips.
>>> The tracks are the same mahogany with carbide tip saw cuts, which 
>>> were
>> the perfect width for the thin plastic.
>>> I was worried that the plexi was too thin, but it works and looks 
>>> great,
>> and the price was right.
>>> I cut a piece to fit over the original Coleman cooler and it looks
>> pretty good too.
>>> I bought on-line,  a set of three pull out plastic drawers, 24? 
>>> total
>> height, which fit perfectly into the space the right of the sink.
>>> I would add a better faucet and pressure pump and foot pump too in 
>>> my
>> perfect world, but this works fine for now.
>>> I made the swing out bracket for the GPS out of mahogany too and it
>> works great.
>>> Those cups under the counter top are for ?under-counter' lights that 
>>> I
>> planned to install, but I have since decided to install  LED strip 
>> lights instead.
>>> The switches to the left are for 4 mast lights, Steaming - Anchor - 
>>> Down
>> Light - Windex light.
>>> The main Panel is located under the Companionway, as the original.
>>> Ric
>>> sv Dadventure
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 12:46 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A while back there was some discussion about putting the navigation
>> lights on the bow pulpit. I recently found a way to do that relatively 
>> cheaply using the hardware shown in the attached pictures. 
>> Installation does not require welding of a mount to the pulpit and 
>> allows for the light to be rotated down out of the way when the mast is resting on the pulpit.
>> The wiring is fed through a hole in the rail and down through the foot 
>> of the bow rail into the cabin V birth. It might not be the sturdiest 
>> arrangement and only time will tell whether this arrangement is adequate.
>>>> 
>>>> For those who have been aware of my endless restoration odyssey, 
>>>> you
>> will be relieved to know that with  the nav light and deck hardware 
>> now installed I have finally finished the rebuild of the keel, 
>> windows, deck delamination and exterior of the boat. Now for the 
>> interior... I think the end is within sight.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Graham Stewart
>>>> Agile. R22, 1976
>>>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>>>> 
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>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>>> archives
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>> archives
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>> __________________________________________________
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> *Ric Stott, AIA, LEED AP*
> 
> office: 631.283.1777 cell: 516.965.3164
> StottArchitecture.com
> 
> 13 Main Street, Southampton
> New York 11968
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 09:59:19 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 09:59:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
In-Reply-To: <008701d1d851$7559e030$600da090$@ebsmed.com>
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Ok. Thanks again Mike. Is that search method different and better than using the search field within the archives themselves?  That's what I had been doing but I'll try your method going forward. Thanks. 

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> The easiest way to search our archives is to enter "site:rhodes22.org
> {search terms}" into a google search bar, without the quotes or braces, of
> course.  I simply googled "site:rhodes22.org tiller pilot" to find lots of
> interesting info.
> 
> In addition to maintaining contact with the Rhodie community and enjoying
> everything Rhodes 22 (video from drones, who'd have thought?), preserving
> and utilizing the archives daily was the reason that I decided to make the
> effort to move "da list" to an Amazon Web Server last March.  We have 15+
> years of ideas, discussions, photos, drawings, boat sales listings, etc. and
> a community of about 400 wannabes, owners and former owners participating.
> I encourage everyone to exchange their ideas (and Rhodes 22 problems) to
> utilize this wonderful resource and community.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Olivier Hecht
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 5:56 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
> 
> Thanks, Mike...this is a great reference and I don't know how I missed it
> during my searches. I like the idea of using the coaming box for the
> connections as it avoids drilling another hole and should also allow me to
> splice in my own weatherproof connectors...the part for the bulkhead
> connector is proving hard to find so far...
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 11:40 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Olivier,
>> 
>> You may find this past discussion of an autopilot installation from 
>> the Rhodes 22 archives of some value:
>> 
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200610/10/Tiller
>> PilotS
>> etuponRhodes22.pdf
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>> __________________________________________________
> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________


From ohecht at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 10:00:32 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 10:00:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thanks to our system folks!
In-Reply-To: <b7d79b114c3d44a392f2cc2e840b1e67@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
References: <b7d79b114c3d44a392f2cc2e840b1e67@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <08EE57C6-628C-43B0-B3B2-843DE5F80E24@earthlink.net>

Agreed!  It's been amazingly helpful both as I was shopping for a Rhodes and now that I have one...thanks!

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:51 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> A public Thank You! for your efforts and for those who preceded you.  Without folks like you stepping up to maintain the system, all of this would be lost.  As a 10+ year member, I can't imagine how Rhodes owners could function without this resource. - rob
> 
> Rob Lowe
> s/v noname (yet)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner
> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 9:14 AM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> The easiest way to search our archives is to enter "site:rhodes22.org {search terms}" into a google search bar, without the quotes or braces, of course.  I simply googled "site:rhodes22.org tiller pilot" to find lots of interesting info.
> 
> In addition to maintaining contact with the Rhodie community and enjoying everything Rhodes 22 (video from drones, who'd have thought?), preserving and utilizing the archives daily was the reason that I decided to make the effort to move "da list" to an Amazon Web Server last March.  We have 15+ years of ideas, discussions, photos, drawings, boat sales listings, etc. and a community of about 400 wannabes, owners and former owners participating.
> I encourage everyone to exchange their ideas (and Rhodes 22 problems) to utilize this wonderful resource and community.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jul  7 12:54:03 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 12:54:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
In-Reply-To: <24C19528-C6EC-4961-B328-78E2C1D32A3E@earthlink.net>
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Technically speaking, the google search is the only way to search the list
archives.  Mailman (the list software) only exposes lists of the archives by
month.  Within that listing, you may view activity of a particular month by
thread, subject, author or date
(http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/).

Some folks use nabble to search our archives at
http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/.  Nabble provides a web interface to
the list with a search capability as well.  The list sends postings to
nabble but we do not control the nabble site.  In addition, if folks post to
the nabble site, THEY MUST BE SUBSCRIBED TO THE RHODES22.ORG EMAIL LIST FOR
THE POST TO REACH OUR SERVER.  When they converted from the "old nabble"
software, we seemed to lose a fair amount of the archive on their server.
It is for this reason that I advocate the google based search to query the
rhodes22.org server.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Olivier Hecht
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 9:59 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help

Ok. Thanks again Mike. Is that search method different and better than using
the search field within the archives themselves?  That's what I had been
doing but I'll try your method going forward. Thanks. 

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 9:14 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> The easiest way to search our archives is to enter "site:rhodes22.org 
> {search terms}" into a google search bar, without the quotes or 
> braces, of course.  I simply googled "site:rhodes22.org tiller pilot" 
> to find lots of interesting info.
> 
> In addition to maintaining contact with the Rhodie community and 
> enjoying everything Rhodes 22 (video from drones, who'd have 
> thought?), preserving and utilizing the archives daily was the reason 
> that I decided to make the effort to move "da list" to an Amazon Web 
> Server last March.  We have 15+ years of ideas, discussions, photos, 
> drawings, boat sales listings, etc. and a community of about 400 wannabes,
owners and former owners participating.
> I encourage everyone to exchange their ideas (and Rhodes 22 problems) 
> to utilize this wonderful resource and community.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 5:56 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Raymarine tiller pilot installation help
> 
> Thanks, Mike...this is a great reference and I don't know how I missed 
> it during my searches. I like the idea of using the coaming box for 
> the connections as it avoids drilling another hole and should also 
> allow me to splice in my own weatherproof connectors...the part for 
> the bulkhead connector is proving hard to find so far...
> 
>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 11:40 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Olivier,
>> 
>> You may find this past discussion of an autopilot installation from 
>> the Rhodes 22 archives of some value:
>> 
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200610/10/Tille
>> r
>> PilotS
>> etuponRhodes22.pdf
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>> __________________________________________________
> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
> __________________________________________________
> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
> __________________________________________________

__________________________________________________
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Jul  7 14:59:16 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (peter at sunnybeeches.com)
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 11:59:16 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges
Message-ID: <20160707115916.Horde.1T750KpSvxrsM0JGTOIEK4A@sunnybeeches.com>


I'm going to attempt to send a picture again, this time sending from  
my ISP's web-mail interface rather than from the Mac eMail program to  
see if that makes any difference.

Olivier,

The bolts do pass through the laz lid.  From the outside, the heads  
look like carriage bolts.  The head has a white coating, which might  
just be paint, or I suppose gel-coat.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jul  7 15:18:50 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 19:18:50 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges
In-Reply-To: <20160707115916.Horde.1T750KpSvxrsM0JGTOIEK4A@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <20160707115916.Horde.1T750KpSvxrsM0JGTOIEK4A@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <e97c4d62243c4e8fa0a89aced33b1c82@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Peter,
Got it!  There does seems to be some issue with photos and Mac eMail.  Mike says he's looking into it.  But web bases mail interface seems to work.  - rob


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From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter at sunnybeeches.com
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 2:59 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges


I'm going to attempt to send a picture again, this time sending from my ISP's web-mail interface rather than from the Mac eMail program to see if that makes any difference.

Olivier,

The bolts do pass through the laz lid.  From the outside, the heads look like carriage bolts.  The head has a white coating, which might just be paint, or I suppose gel-coat.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Thu Jul  7 15:28:03 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:28:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges
In-Reply-To: <20160707115916.Horde.1T750KpSvxrsM0JGTOIEK4A@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <20160707115916.Horde.1T750KpSvxrsM0JGTOIEK4A@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <FB47F01A-4A20-416A-A2AD-DB9D5A54F355@earthlink.net>

Great...thanks again Peter!

> On Jul 7, 2016, at 2:59 PM, peter at sunnybeeches.com wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm going to attempt to send a picture again, this time sending from my ISP's web-mail interface rather than from the Mac eMail program to see if that makes any difference.
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> The bolts do pass through the laz lid.  From the outside, the heads look like carriage bolts.  The head has a white coating, which might just be paint, or I suppose gel-coat.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jul  7 15:50:39 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 15:50:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges
In-Reply-To: <20160707115916.Horde.1T750KpSvxrsM0JGTOIEK4A@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <20160707115916.Horde.1T750KpSvxrsM0JGTOIEK4A@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <016a01d1d888$d6cc7350$846559f0$@ca>

That came through.
 Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
peter at sunnybeeches.com
Sent: July 7, 2016 2:59 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Hatch Gas Strut and Hinges


I'm going to attempt to send a picture again, this time sending from my
ISP's web-mail interface rather than from the Mac eMail program to see if
that makes any difference.

Olivier,

The bolts do pass through the laz lid.  From the outside, the heads look
like carriage bolts.  The head has a white coating, which might just be
paint, or I suppose gel-coat.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jul  7 23:38:11 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2016 23:38:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mac Mail attachments (images)
Message-ID: <00e001d1d8ca$27fcfe20$77f6fa60$@ebsmed.com>

Ric, Peter (and others),

I have been looking into the issue of Mac Mail's failure to provide usable
attachments to the Mailman based Rhodes22.org email list.  The following was
posted by a Mailman administrator.  Please see if it works to resolve your
issues posting images.

	OS X Mail says the attachments you send are Windows-friendly.
	That is good. Are they also friendly to readers, though, who prefer
	their files at the end and separate from your message's text?

	OS X Mail has the habit of putting attachments just where you
	place them. Often, and especially with images, this is as visually
	pleasing as it is useful. When recipients do not appreciate that
	form of inline attachment, however, or when you want to send
	your files safely-OS X Mail's typical form of attachment could
	interfere with automatic attached file handling-, it is good to
	know OS X Mail can send attachments at the message's end as
	well.

	Remember to check the setting every time you wish to send an
	attachment not inserted inline. Note, also, that OS X Mail will 
	still send attachments to be displayed "inline" with the message's
	text, they just come at the very end.

	Make OS X Mail Send Conventional (Standard Traditional 
	Non-Inline) Attachments:

	To set OS X Mail to attach all files for a message at the end
	(instead of inline with the message's body content):
    	
	Before you add any attachments:
        		Make sure Edit | Attachments | Insert Attachments at
		End of Message is checked in the menu.
		If the menu item is not checked, do select it.
            		OS X Mail will not remember the status for this menu
		item for the next message with attachments you create.

	(Updated November 2013)

Please let me know if this fixes the problem.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:19 PM

Peter,
Got it!  There does seems to be some issue with photos and Mac eMail.  Mike
says he's looking into it.  But web bases mail interface seems to work.  -
rob



From Mark-Olson at verizon.net  Fri Jul  8 10:03:50 2016
From: Mark-Olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 07:03:50 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YO4dUcqW8d1=qARnj6TOzYDev7mnn7zU-B2ePiVTc-6w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1467986630333-52296.post@n5.nabble.com>

The diagram and everyone's comments have been very helpful.  I've rearranged
the trailer I have and am almost ready to take everything to a welder to put
it together.  But I'd like to see one in person and do some final double
checking.

Is there anyone in the Northern NJ,  Long Island who has a Triad I could see
in person.

I live in Northern New Jersey - Bergen County.  The boat I'm getting is in
Port Jefferson - Suffolk County LI.

I can come today, Saturday or Sunday.

Thanks,
Mark



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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 10:25:47 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 07:25:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <1467986630333-52296.post@n5.nabble.com>
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My trailer is in red NJ bank, at monmouth boat club. Call if you want to
arrange a time.
Talbot
978 801-1602

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016, 10:03 AM Mark Olson [via Rhodes 22] <
ml-node+s1065344n52296h55 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> The diagram and everyone's comments have been very helpful.  I've
> rearranged the trailer I have and am almost ready to take everything to a
> welder to put it together.  But I'd like to see one in person and do some
> final double checking.
>
> Is there anyone in the Northern NJ,  Long Island who has a Triad I could
> see in person.
>
> I live in Northern New Jersey - Bergen County.  The boat I'm getting is in
> Port Jefferson - Suffolk County LI.
>
> I can come today, Saturday or Sunday.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
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From richard at macarthurlawfirm.com  Fri Jul  8 12:59:41 2016
From: richard at macarthurlawfirm.com (Richard MacArthur)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:59:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] caul
Message-ID: <8b8690f92511460a93afea14fd7c7aaf@macarthurlawfirm.com>

We painted our deck and stripped the caulking at the rub rail. What is the best caulking to use to replace it.?

Thanks,

Richard L. MacArthur | Senior Partner | richard at macarthurlawfirm.com<mailto:richard at macarthurlawfirm.com>
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Jul  8 16:27:45 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 16:27:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] caul
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Richard:

There has been a lot written on this list on the subject that you might want
to check out.  Generally the consensus seems to be 3M 5200 or 4200 or
equivalent amongst available marine sealants. These products are excellent
sealants but also have tremendous adhesive qualities that actually
strengthen the boat. That said, Rummy found a sealant which I think was
capped NP1 that he swore by. Apparently you can get it at Home Depot in the
US - but not Canada. Do NOT use silicone for anything except Plexiglas

I will be sealing the joint on my boat once the rub rail I ordered comes in.
I plan to use 3M 4200. You do not want to use 5200 for any situation where
there is any possibility that you might want to remove it later. If you do,
you will need a grinder to get it off. If you are not removing the rivets,
rub rail and completely removing any sealant in the joint there is a pretty
good chance that you will be resealing the joint in a few years so I would
definitely not use 5200 in this situation. I am doing the whole job and
still would not use 5200 as it is just too unforgiving.


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Richard MacArthur
Sent: July 8, 2016 1:00 PM
To: 'rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org'
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] caul

We painted our deck and stripped the caulking at the rub rail. What is the
best caulking to use to replace it.?

Thanks,

Richard L. MacArthur | Senior Partner |
richard at macarthurlawfirm.com<mailto:richard at macarthurlawfirm.com>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jul  8 17:05:31 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:05:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mac Mail attachments (images)
In-Reply-To: <00e001d1d8ca$27fcfe20$77f6fa60$@ebsmed.com>
References: <00e001d1d8ca$27fcfe20$77f6fa60$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <34A9B626-3F17-438D-9E22-CFDCDE8DE84B@sunnybeeches.com>

Ok, here?s an attempt at a photo with the Mac Mail setting as specified below. 

This is the original pic I attempted to send, the gas strut on my laz lid?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Jul 7, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Ric, Peter (and others),
> 
> I have been looking into the issue of Mac Mail's failure to provide usable
> attachments to the Mailman based Rhodes22.org email list.  The following was
> posted by a Mailman administrator.  Please see if it works to resolve your
> issues posting images.
> 
> 	OS X Mail says the attachments you send are Windows-friendly.
> 	That is good. Are they also friendly to readers, though, who prefer
> 	their files at the end and separate from your message's text?
> 
> 	OS X Mail has the habit of putting attachments just where you
> 	place them. Often, and especially with images, this is as visually
> 	pleasing as it is useful. When recipients do not appreciate that
> 	form of inline attachment, however, or when you want to send
> 	your files safely-OS X Mail's typical form of attachment could
> 	interfere with automatic attached file handling-, it is good to
> 	know OS X Mail can send attachments at the message's end as
> 	well.
> 
> 	Remember to check the setting every time you wish to send an
> 	attachment not inserted inline. Note, also, that OS X Mail will 
> 	still send attachments to be displayed "inline" with the message's
> 	text, they just come at the very end.
> 
> 	Make OS X Mail Send Conventional (Standard Traditional 
> 	Non-Inline) Attachments:
> 
> 	To set OS X Mail to attach all files for a message at the end
> 	(instead of inline with the message's body content):
>    	
> 	Before you add any attachments:
>        		Make sure Edit | Attachments | Insert Attachments at
> 		End of Message is checked in the menu.
> 		If the menu item is not checked, do select it.
>            		OS X Mail will not remember the status for this menu
> 		item for the next message with attachments you create.
> 
> 	(Updated November 2013)
> 
> Please let me know if this fixes the problem.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:19 PM
> 
> Peter,
> Got it!  There does seems to be some issue with photos and Mac eMail.  Mike
> says he's looking into it.  But web bases mail interface seems to work.  -
> rob
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Fri Jul  8 17:07:15 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:07:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mac Mail attachments (images)
In-Reply-To: <34A9B626-3F17-438D-9E22-CFDCDE8DE84B@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <00e001d1d8ca$27fcfe20$77f6fa60$@ebsmed.com>
 <34A9B626-3F17-438D-9E22-CFDCDE8DE84B@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Ze3amKAxm7S4VyppDGwOp2Aug5p=jDU3nJjpfW8RUVzg@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

No can see um.

Rick

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:05 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Ok, here?s an attempt at a photo with the Mac Mail setting as specified
> below.
>
> This is the original pic I attempted to send, the gas strut on my laz lid?
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
> > On Jul 7, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Ric, Peter (and others),
> >
> > I have been looking into the issue of Mac Mail's failure to provide
> usable
> > attachments to the Mailman based Rhodes22.org email list.  The following
> was
> > posted by a Mailman administrator.  Please see if it works to resolve
> your
> > issues posting images.
> >
> >       OS X Mail says the attachments you send are Windows-friendly.
> >       That is good. Are they also friendly to readers, though, who prefer
> >       their files at the end and separate from your message's text?
> >
> >       OS X Mail has the habit of putting attachments just where you
> >       place them. Often, and especially with images, this is as visually
> >       pleasing as it is useful. When recipients do not appreciate that
> >       form of inline attachment, however, or when you want to send
> >       your files safely-OS X Mail's typical form of attachment could
> >       interfere with automatic attached file handling-, it is good to
> >       know OS X Mail can send attachments at the message's end as
> >       well.
> >
> >       Remember to check the setting every time you wish to send an
> >       attachment not inserted inline. Note, also, that OS X Mail will
> >       still send attachments to be displayed "inline" with the message's
> >       text, they just come at the very end.
> >
> >       Make OS X Mail Send Conventional (Standard Traditional
> >       Non-Inline) Attachments:
> >
> >       To set OS X Mail to attach all files for a message at the end
> >       (instead of inline with the message's body content):
> >
> >       Before you add any attachments:
> >                       Make sure Edit | Attachments | Insert Attachments
> at
> >               End of Message is checked in the menu.
> >               If the menu item is not checked, do select it.
> >                       OS X Mail will not remember the status for this
> menu
> >               item for the next message with attachments you create.
> >
> >       (Updated November 2013)
> >
> > Please let me know if this fixes the problem.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of
> > Lowe, Rob
> > Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:19 PM
> >
> > Peter,
> > Got it!  There does seems to be some issue with photos and Mac eMail.
> Mike
> > says he's looking into it.  But web bases mail interface seems to work.
> -
> > rob
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jul  8 17:11:19 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:11:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mac Mail attachments (images)
In-Reply-To: <34A9B626-3F17-438D-9E22-CFDCDE8DE84B@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <00e001d1d8ca$27fcfe20$77f6fa60$@ebsmed.com>
 <34A9B626-3F17-438D-9E22-CFDCDE8DE84B@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <50E6287D-157C-4148-8A44-9DA32FB262D0@sunnybeeches.com>

Oh well, that didn?t seem to work. 

I changed the setting and then added the attachment.  The attachment did get added to the end of the email, below Mike?s original message, but apparently that wasn?t enough to do the trick.

Mike, thanks for digging up a potential solution, even though it didn?t pan out.

Peter

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, here?s an attempt at a photo with the Mac Mail setting as specified below. 
> 
> This is the original pic I attempted to send, the gas strut on my laz lid?
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ric, Peter (and others),
>> 
>> I have been looking into the issue of Mac Mail's failure to provide usable
>> attachments to the Mailman based Rhodes22.org email list.  The following was
>> posted by a Mailman administrator.  Please see if it works to resolve your
>> issues posting images.
>> 
>> 	OS X Mail says the attachments you send are Windows-friendly.
>> 	That is good. Are they also friendly to readers, though, who prefer
>> 	their files at the end and separate from your message's text?
>> 
>> 	OS X Mail has the habit of putting attachments just where you
>> 	place them. Often, and especially with images, this is as visually
>> 	pleasing as it is useful. When recipients do not appreciate that
>> 	form of inline attachment, however, or when you want to send
>> 	your files safely-OS X Mail's typical form of attachment could
>> 	interfere with automatic attached file handling-, it is good to
>> 	know OS X Mail can send attachments at the message's end as
>> 	well.
>> 
>> 	Remember to check the setting every time you wish to send an
>> 	attachment not inserted inline. Note, also, that OS X Mail will 
>> 	still send attachments to be displayed "inline" with the message's
>> 	text, they just come at the very end.
>> 
>> 	Make OS X Mail Send Conventional (Standard Traditional 
>> 	Non-Inline) Attachments:
>> 
>> 	To set OS X Mail to attach all files for a message at the end
>> 	(instead of inline with the message's body content):
>>   	
>> 	Before you add any attachments:
>>       		Make sure Edit | Attachments | Insert Attachments at
>> 		End of Message is checked in the menu.
>> 		If the menu item is not checked, do select it.
>>           		OS X Mail will not remember the status for this menu
>> 		item for the next message with attachments you create.
>> 
>> 	(Updated November 2013)
>> 
>> Please let me know if this fixes the problem.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> Lowe, Rob
>> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:19 PM
>> 
>> Peter,
>> Got it!  There does seems to be some issue with photos and Mac eMail.  Mike
>> says he's looking into it.  But web bases mail interface seems to work.  -
>> rob
>> 
>> 
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jul  8 17:13:59 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 17:13:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mac Mail attachments (images)
In-Reply-To: <50E6287D-157C-4148-8A44-9DA32FB262D0@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <00e001d1d8ca$27fcfe20$77f6fa60$@ebsmed.com>
 <34A9B626-3F17-438D-9E22-CFDCDE8DE84B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <50E6287D-157C-4148-8A44-9DA32FB262D0@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <008101d1d95d$a7330660$f5991320$@com>

I'll keep looking for a solution THAT WORKS!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 5:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mac Mail attachments (images)

Oh well, that didn?t seem to work. 

I changed the setting and then added the attachment.  The attachment did get added to the end of the email, below Mike?s original message, but apparently that wasn?t enough to do the trick.

Mike, thanks for digging up a potential solution, even though it didn?t pan out.

Peter

> On Jul 8, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Ok, here?s an attempt at a photo with the Mac Mail setting as specified below. 
> 
> This is the original pic I attempted to send, the gas strut on my laz 
> lid?
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 11:38 PM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ric, Peter (and others),
>> 
>> I have been looking into the issue of Mac Mail's failure to provide 
>> usable attachments to the Mailman based Rhodes22.org email list.  The 
>> following was posted by a Mailman administrator.  Please see if it 
>> works to resolve your issues posting images.
>> 
>> 	OS X Mail says the attachments you send are Windows-friendly.
>> 	That is good. Are they also friendly to readers, though, who prefer
>> 	their files at the end and separate from your message's text?
>> 
>> 	OS X Mail has the habit of putting attachments just where you
>> 	place them. Often, and especially with images, this is as visually
>> 	pleasing as it is useful. When recipients do not appreciate that
>> 	form of inline attachment, however, or when you want to send
>> 	your files safely-OS X Mail's typical form of attachment could
>> 	interfere with automatic attached file handling-, it is good to
>> 	know OS X Mail can send attachments at the message's end as
>> 	well.
>> 
>> 	Remember to check the setting every time you wish to send an
>> 	attachment not inserted inline. Note, also, that OS X Mail will 
>> 	still send attachments to be displayed "inline" with the message's
>> 	text, they just come at the very end.
>> 
>> 	Make OS X Mail Send Conventional (Standard Traditional 
>> 	Non-Inline) Attachments:
>> 
>> 	To set OS X Mail to attach all files for a message at the end
>> 	(instead of inline with the message's body content):
>>   	
>> 	Before you add any attachments:
>>       		Make sure Edit | Attachments | Insert Attachments at
>> 		End of Message is checked in the menu.
>> 		If the menu item is not checked, do select it.
>>           		OS X Mail will not remember the status for this menu
>> 		item for the next message with attachments you create.
>> 
>> 	(Updated November 2013)
>> 
>> Please let me know if this fixes the problem.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
>> Sent: Thursday, July 7, 2016 3:19 PM
>> 
>> Peter,
>> Got it!  There does seems to be some issue with photos and Mac eMail.  
>> Mike says he's looking into it.  But web bases mail interface seems 
>> to work.  - rob
>> 
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
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>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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From stan at rhodes22.com  Fri Jul  8 18:18:34 2016
From: stan at rhodes22.com (stan spitzer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 18:18:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] an inside job between Peter and ss
Message-ID: <B4EB6D3A-E089-4D11-8273-31FF7C655E1B@rhodes22.com>



told you I am a computer illiterate.  I get it.  If I had sent the e-mail to you via the list, no picture.

When I asked a worker why he put the sink discharge in the cockpit hull area he said "My ruler is different than yours".  So let's see if my Mac is different or we have a class action discrimination case against the List.

ss
 


From jjcampjr at yahoo.com  Fri Jul  8 20:11:49 2016
From: jjcampjr at yahoo.com (Joe Camp)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 00:11:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] an inside job between Peter and ss
In-Reply-To: <B4EB6D3A-E089-4D11-8273-31FF7C655E1B@rhodes22.com>
References: <B4EB6D3A-E089-4D11-8273-31FF7C655E1B@rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <1855497632.41867.1468023109086.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Stan:
Is this message to the wrong Rhodie, or have I done something I don't know about?
Joe Camp


 
      From: stan spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
 To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
Cc: stan Spitzer <stan at rhode22.com>
 Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:18 PM
 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] an inside job between Peter and ss
   


told you I am a computer illiterate.? I get it.? If I had sent the e-mail to you via the list, no picture.

When I asked a worker why he put the sink discharge in the cockpit hull area he said "My ruler is different than yours".? So let's see if my Mac is different or we have a class action discrimination case against the List.

ss
 

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From stan at rhodes22.com  Fri Jul  8 20:23:31 2016
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jul 2016 20:23:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] an inside job between Peter and ss
In-Reply-To: <1855497632.41867.1468023109086.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <B4EB6D3A-E089-4D11-8273-31FF7C655E1B@rhodes22.com>
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Message-ID: <0e226303-ebeb-5518-52b4-d31243a504bf@rhodes22.com>


Joe.

it was just a test to see if a picture I sent on a Mac would come 
through to Peter via the List since it did go through to Peter 
directly.  But looks like the List "scrubbed" it ?   (It was a picture 
of the R27 shell in the water.)

ss


On 7/8/16 8:11 PM, Joe Camp via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> Stan:
> Is this message to the wrong Rhodie, or have I done something I don't know about?
> Joe Camp
>
>
>   
>        From: stan spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
>   To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Cc: stan Spitzer <stan at rhode22.com>
>   Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 6:18 PM
>   Subject: [Rhodes22-list] an inside job between Peter and ss
>     
>
>
> told you I am a computer illiterate.  I get it.  If I had sent the e-mail to you via the list, no picture.
>
> When I asked a worker why he put the sink discharge in the cockpit hull area he said "My ruler is different than yours".  So let's see if my Mac is different or we have a class action discrimination case against the List.
>
> ss
>   
>
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From stan at rhodes22.com  Sat Jul  9 05:47:04 2016
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 05:47:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] to Peter from stan re plan 3
Message-ID: <c8317e7f-d158-f1b6-cd21-429bbd797961@rhodes22.com>


Peter,

One way that seems to work is using your own web site.   (Don's idea)  
In this sample you just send the address instead of the picture with (if 
need) instructions to scroll to the bottom of the page.

             http://www.usedrhodes.com/newsystuff.html

stan


From ohecht at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  9 08:41:40 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 08:41:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Keeping the table top stowed?
Message-ID: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>

I searched and didn?t find anything on this one?has anyone come up with a simple solution to keep the table top from sliding out of it?s stowage location?  It hasn?t happened to me underway yet, but it has slid out of it?s mounts twice while towing, and I?m worried it will slide out at a bad time under sail and either hurt someone or damage something.

I?m thinking about a thumbscrew or two in strategic locations, but I?m not near the boat now and it?s hard to remember where the possible places for something like that are.  If someone has close-up pictures of the aft portion of the stowage rails, then I could probably think up a few options and take some hardware with me to the boat tomorrow?thanks!

Olivier
s/v/ Fretless

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 11:22:46 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 11:22:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Keeping the table top stowed?
In-Reply-To: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>
References: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CABkv36a=4M8A4Wi=zsd2iWf8mcT8jiBqxm3fSN8oqEHsWGQGwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Olivier,

I hook a bungee cord to the forward ends of the track and pull the middle
of the cord over the post receptacle on the table bottom.

Rick

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I searched and didn?t find anything on this one?has anyone come up with a
> simple solution to keep the table top from sliding out of it?s stowage
> location?  It hasn?t happened to me underway yet, but it has slid out of
> it?s mounts twice while towing, and I?m worried it will slide out at a bad
> time under sail and either hurt someone or damage something.
>
> I?m thinking about a thumbscrew or two in strategic locations, but I?m not
> near the boat now and it?s hard to remember where the possible places for
> something like that are.  If someone has close-up pictures of the aft
> portion of the stowage rails, then I could probably think up a few options
> and take some hardware with me to the boat tomorrow?thanks!
>
> Olivier
> s/v/ Fretless
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From bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jul  9 15:02:41 2016
From: bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net (Rhodes22)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 15:02:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Keeping the table top stowed?
In-Reply-To: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>
References: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <4F0C97A1-D6F7-4C3F-9C5B-DA38F74D9657@bellsouth.net>

I am on my second R22 and have never had the table top slide out.  Check to be sure that the rails that are holding in in place are tight.

Bob in Stuart, FL (The green goop city at present). S/V R22 "NoKaOi 3". We pulled the boat a couple of weeks back for hurricane season, so avoided having the boat floating in the blue/green algae.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:41 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I searched and didn?t find anything on this one?has anyone come up with a simple solution to keep the table top from sliding out of it?s stowage location?  It hasn?t happened to me underway yet, but it has slid out of it?s mounts twice while towing, and I?m worried it will slide out at a bad time under sail and either hurt someone or damage something.
> 
> I?m thinking about a thumbscrew or two in strategic locations, but I?m not near the boat now and it?s hard to remember where the possible places for something like that are.  If someone has close-up pictures of the aft portion of the stowage rails, then I could probably think up a few options and take some hardware with me to the boat tomorrow?thanks!
> 
> Olivier
> s/v/ Fretless
> __________________________________________________
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From Mark-Olson at verizon.net  Sat Jul  9 15:50:27 2016
From: Mark-Olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 12:50:27 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <CAFhmpdEXZe9W4fAC3BUr1tEwUDxWwzvEyk4R6_ye2azqBouEHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F5B3842B-2B64-440C-A789-F2B304BBC402@steelbone.com>
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Message-ID: <1468093827673-52311.post@n5.nabble.com>

I went to Talbot's trailer yesterday and measured it.  There were some small
variances from the drawing sent by Rob Lowe.  Most are minor - 1/4" longer
etc.

But the height of the supports are reversed.  That is to say the drawing
sent by Rob shows the rear supports at 15.5" and the front at 16.5". 
Talbot's trailer is 16.5 for the rear supports and 15" for the front (15.5"
to the cross member but 15" from the top to the frame.)

Does anyone know the height of theirs?

Knowing the height on a couple more trailers would show which trailer is
wrong.  - The one the drawing was done from or Talbot's.  My instinct tells
me Talbot's bunk supports are reversed because I think the front need to be
a little higher than the rear to account for the change in hull angle toward
the bow.

Talbot - I don't think this would contribute to extra weight forward of the
axle as it's only a slight change in angle.



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From 5399paul at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 16:30:46 2016
From: 5399paul at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 13:30:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
In-Reply-To: <1466008725287-52101.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1466008725287-52101.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1468096246893-52312.post@n5.nabble.com>

Miss Adventure is still looking for a new home. She is feeling neglected as I
have been sailing less than once per week! Help!
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52312/IMG_0916.jpg> 



-----
Paul
s/v Miss Adventure
88/01 R22
The Villages FL
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  9 16:44:45 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:44:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Keeping the table top stowed?
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36a=4M8A4Wi=zsd2iWf8mcT8jiBqxm3fSN8oqEHsWGQGwQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>
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Message-ID: <83C55F78-9D8D-4C53-9570-54010EB94B82@earthlink.net>

Thanks Rick?that sounds like a great solution and I?ll give it a try in addition to making sure my tracks are as tight as they should be.

Olivier

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> I hook a bungee cord to the forward ends of the track and pull the middle
> of the cord over the post receptacle on the table bottom.
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> I searched and didn?t find anything on this one?has anyone come up with a
>> simple solution to keep the table top from sliding out of it?s stowage
>> location?  It hasn?t happened to me underway yet, but it has slid out of
>> it?s mounts twice while towing, and I?m worried it will slide out at a bad
>> time under sail and either hurt someone or damage something.
>> 
>> I?m thinking about a thumbscrew or two in strategic locations, but I?m not
>> near the boat now and it?s hard to remember where the possible places for
>> something like that are.  If someone has close-up pictures of the aft
>> portion of the stowage rails, then I could probably think up a few options
>> and take some hardware with me to the boat tomorrow?thanks!
>> 
>> Olivier
>> s/v/ Fretless
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jul  9 17:40:29 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:40:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <1468093827673-52311.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <F5B3842B-2B64-440C-A789-F2B304BBC402@steelbone.com>
 <e25f312347204aff8dcfb0cabaa5c7f1@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
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On my pretty much brand new trailer, the vertical bunk supports measure 15 1/2? at the front, and 16 1/2? at the rear.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Mark Olson <Mark-Olson at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> I went to Talbot's trailer yesterday and measured it.  There were some small
> variances from the drawing sent by Rob Lowe.  Most are minor - 1/4" longer
> etc.
> 
> But the height of the supports are reversed.  That is to say the drawing
> sent by Rob shows the rear supports at 15.5" and the front at 16.5". 
> Talbot's trailer is 16.5 for the rear supports and 15" for the front (15.5"
> to the cross member but 15" from the top to the frame.)
> 
> Does anyone know the height of theirs?
> 
> Knowing the height on a couple more trailers would show which trailer is
> wrong.  - The one the drawing was done from or Talbot's.  My instinct tells
> me Talbot's bunk supports are reversed because I think the front need to be
> a little higher than the rear to account for the change in hull angle toward
> the bow.
> 
> Talbot - I don't think this would contribute to extra weight forward of the
> axle as it's only a slight change in angle.
> 
> 
> 
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Sat Jul  9 17:48:56 2016
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 21:48:56 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
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Paul
Have you listed her on sailingtexas.com ?

This site sells boats all across the country. I bought and sold two there. 

Sent from my iPhone

Charles 
98 R 22
s/v Daydream

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Paul <5399paul at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Miss Adventure is still looking for a new home. She is feeling neglected as I
> have been sailing less than once per week! Help!
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52312/IMG_0916.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
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> 88/01 R22
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From Mark-Olson at verizon.net  Sat Jul  9 18:01:31 2016
From: Mark-Olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 15:01:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Thanks - I'm going to go with that.

Mark



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From 5399paul at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 18:34:56 2016
From: 5399paul at gmail.com (Paul Hofmann)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 18:34:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
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Thanks Charles.

I listed on Sailboat Listings, Virginia Inland Sailing and on "the list".

I will check out sailingtexas.

Thanks again.

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Paul
> Have you listed her on sailingtexas.com ?
>
> This site sells boats all across the country. I bought and sold two there.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles
> 98 R 22
> s/v Daydream
>
> > On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Paul <5399paul at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Miss Adventure is still looking for a new home. She is feeling neglected
> as I
> > have been sailing less than once per week! Help!
> > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52312/IMG_0916.jpg>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Paul
> > s/v Miss Adventure
> > 88/01 R22
> > The Villages FL
> > --
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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 19:19:59 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:19:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Hi Mark,
Where you indicate my forward supports are a little short is where they are
denting the hull.  Longer would sent more, wouldn't it?
Talbot

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016, 6:01 PM Mark Olson [via Rhodes 22] <
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> Thanks - I'm going to go with that.
>
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From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 19:51:56 2016
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:51:56 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Keeping the table top stowed?
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I used a small threaded brass nob pull pin I got from McMaster carr.
Required taking down the rail to drill , can't remember if I tapped it or
just screwed it in directly.  Drilled a small detent in the table side for
the pin to sit in.  Spring holds it in place.  Just pull and turn to lock
it back to remove the table.  I can take a pic and get the part # in a day
or two.  On vacation and no laptop at the moment.
Patrick
On Jul 9, 2016 16:45, "Olivier Hecht" <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Thanks Rick?that sounds like a great solution and I?ll give it a try in
> addition to making sure my tracks are as tight as they should be.
>
> Olivier
>
> > On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Olivier,
> >
> > I hook a bungee cord to the forward ends of the track and pull the middle
> > of the cord over the post receptacle on the table bottom.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I searched and didn?t find anything on this one?has anyone come up with
> a
> >> simple solution to keep the table top from sliding out of it?s stowage
> >> location?  It hasn?t happened to me underway yet, but it has slid out of
> >> it?s mounts twice while towing, and I?m worried it will slide out at a
> bad
> >> time under sail and either hurt someone or damage something.
> >>
> >> I?m thinking about a thumbscrew or two in strategic locations, but I?m
> not
> >> near the boat now and it?s hard to remember where the possible places
> for
> >> something like that are.  If someone has close-up pictures of the aft
> >> portion of the stowage rails, then I could probably think up a few
> options
> >> and take some hardware with me to the boat tomorrow?thanks!
> >>
> >> Olivier
> >> s/v/ Fretless
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Jul  9 19:55:54 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 19:55:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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The original posting by Todd Tavares in April 2004
(http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2004-April/014047.html),
discusses the error in the dimensions:

	[Rhodes22-list] Trailer Specs
	Todd Tavares sprocket80 at mail.com
	Fri Apr 9 00:13:07 EDT 2004

	Bob,

	The dimensions on the drawing of the trailer contain a mistake
	which I forgot to correct.  The rear vertical bunk support is taller
	than the front.  I had the dimensions reversed.  See the sketch
	with the boat.  16.5" in the rear and 15.5" in the front.  The
	question of supporting weight with the keel roller (and how 
	much weight should bear on that support roller) has been
	debated here in the past.  Maybe some of the more 
	experienced members will have better advice on that subject.

	Todd

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Mark Olson
Sent: Saturday, July 9, 2016 3:50 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

I went to Talbot's trailer yesterday and measured it.  There were some small
variances from the drawing sent by Rob Lowe.  Most are minor - 1/4" longer
etc.

But the height of the supports are reversed.  That is to say the drawing
sent by Rob shows the rear supports at 15.5" and the front at 16.5". 
Talbot's trailer is 16.5 for the rear supports and 15" for the front (15.5"
to the cross member but 15" from the top to the frame.)

Does anyone know the height of theirs?

Knowing the height on a couple more trailers would show which trailer is
wrong.  - The one the drawing was done from or Talbot's.  My instinct tells
me Talbot's bunk supports are reversed because I think the front need to be
a little higher than the rear to account for the change in hull angle toward
the bow.

Talbot - I don't think this would contribute to extra weight forward of the
axle as it's only a slight change in angle.



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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Sat Jul  9 21:01:15 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 21:01:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Keeping the table top stowed?
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Thanks Patrick. I'd love to see that solution and the parts you used as well. Olivier

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 7:51 PM, PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I used a small threaded brass nob pull pin I got from McMaster carr.
> Required taking down the rail to drill , can't remember if I tapped it or
> just screwed it in directly.  Drilled a small detent in the table side for
> the pin to sit in.  Spring holds it in place.  Just pull and turn to lock
> it back to remove the table.  I can take a pic and get the part # in a day
> or two.  On vacation and no laptop at the moment.
> Patrick
>> On Jul 9, 2016 16:45, "Olivier Hecht" <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Rick?that sounds like a great solution and I?ll give it a try in
>> addition to making sure my tracks are as tight as they should be.
>> 
>> Olivier
>> 
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 11:22 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Olivier,
>>> 
>>> I hook a bungee cord to the forward ends of the track and pull the middle
>>> of the cord over the post receptacle on the table bottom.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I searched and didn?t find anything on this one?has anyone come up with
>> a
>>>> simple solution to keep the table top from sliding out of it?s stowage
>>>> location?  It hasn?t happened to me underway yet, but it has slid out of
>>>> it?s mounts twice while towing, and I?m worried it will slide out at a
>> bad
>>>> time under sail and either hurt someone or damage something.
>>>> 
>>>> I?m thinking about a thumbscrew or two in strategic locations, but I?m
>> not
>>>> near the boat now and it?s hard to remember where the possible places
>> for
>>>> something like that are.  If someone has close-up pictures of the aft
>>>> portion of the stowage rails, then I could probably think up a few
>> options
>>>> and take some hardware with me to the boat tomorrow?thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Olivier
>>>> s/v/ Fretless
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>> go
>>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>> __________________________________________________
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>>> 
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jul  9 21:24:50 2016
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 21:24:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Keeping the table top stowed?
In-Reply-To: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>
References: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <37F30A38-E3B1-4FA7-AA69-A67EA033CA1C@gmail.com>

Hey Oliver,
               I used some self amalgamating tape (rescue tape) and wrapped it around I
The bottom projection of the rearmost brackets so the table "snaps" into the brackets. After 3000 miles of trailering and 1000 miles of sailing in the last year or so it never came loose. 

Chris G
Enosis

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 9, 2016, at 8:41 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> I searched and didn?t find anything on this one?has anyone come up with a simple solution to keep the table top from sliding out of it?s stowage location?  It hasn?t happened to me underway yet, but it has slid out of it?s mounts twice while towing, and I?m worried it will slide out at a bad time under sail and either hurt someone or damage something.
> 
> I?m thinking about a thumbscrew or two in strategic locations, but I?m not near the boat now and it?s hard to remember where the possible places for something like that are.  If someone has close-up pictures of the aft portion of the stowage rails, then I could probably think up a few options and take some hardware with me to the boat tomorrow?thanks!
> 
> Olivier
> s/v/ Fretless
> __________________________________________________
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From rodellner at mac.com  Sun Jul 10 07:14:06 2016
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 06:14:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Keeping the table top stowed?
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References: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>
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In the words of a former list member Alex??..a Lot of Extra Bungees!!!!   
> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Olivier,
> 
> I hook a bungee cord to the forward ends of the track and pull the middle
> of the cord over the post receptacle on the table bottom.
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
>> I searched and didn?t find anything on this one?has anyone come up with a
>> simple solution to keep the table top from sliding out of it?s stowage
>> location?  It hasn?t happened to me underway yet, but it has slid out of
>> it?s mounts twice while towing, and I?m worried it will slide out at a bad
>> time under sail and either hurt someone or damage something.
>> 
>> I?m thinking about a thumbscrew or two in strategic locations, but I?m not
>> near the boat now and it?s hard to remember where the possible places for
>> something like that are.  If someone has close-up pictures of the aft
>> portion of the stowage rails, then I could probably think up a few options
>> and take some hardware with me to the boat tomorrow?thanks!
>> 
>> Olivier
>> s/v/ Fretless
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From Mark-Olson at verizon.net  Sun Jul 10 08:01:51 2016
From: Mark-Olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 05:01:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <016701d1da3d$7032e960$5098bc20$@ebsmed.com>
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Thanks - This is very helpful.

Looking at the original email the axle location of 70" from the rear is 6"
further back than the older trailers.  I'm going to put mine at 70" and
retain forward adjustment.

Talbot - If you moved your axle 6" forward this would remove between 125 and
150 pounds from the tongue.  I calculate an empty R22 at 11 pounds per inch
and loaded maybe 13.  So for every inch you move the axle forward you take
11 pounds from the front and move it to the rear making a 22# shift per inch
of axle movement.  I think your leaf spring brackets are welded.  I will let
you know where my axle ends up so you can decide if you want to have a
welder move them.

I'm not positive about the angle.  Talbot's front ones are 33 deg and the
original drawing is 38 deg.  I had a hard time getting the rear support
angle.  Because of this I'm planning to putting the bunks on swivels.  This
would make for more even pressure.

Another thing I forgot to mention is the rear supports on Talbot's trailer
are 70" (outside to outside) at the trailer level and 167 at the top.  There
is a visible slant inward when you look from the rear.  Other trailer
pictures I have seen don't seem to have this.

I think I am going to put the bunks on swivels but it would still be good to
know if they should be straight or have the slight inward slant.

Mark



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From cjlowE at sssnet.com  Sun Jul 10 16:07:03 2016
From: cjlowE at sssnet.com (cjlowE at sssnet.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 16:07:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <1468152111874-52324.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1467223740070-52197.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Mark,
 My numbers are the same as Talbots,mine is a 2004 dual axel. Here are a
few pics.





Thanks - This is very helpful.
>
> Looking at the original email the axle location of 70" from the rear is 6"
> further back than the older trailers.  I'm going to put mine at 70" and
> retain forward adjustment.
>
> Talbot - If you moved your axle 6" forward this would remove between 125
> and
> 150 pounds from the tongue.  I calculate an empty R22 at 11 pounds per
> inch
> and loaded maybe 13.  So for every inch you move the axle forward you take
> 11 pounds from the front and move it to the rear making a 22# shift per
> inch
> of axle movement.  I think your leaf spring brackets are welded.  I will
> let
> you know where my axle ends up so you can decide if you want to have a
> welder move them.
>
> I'm not positive about the angle.  Talbot's front ones are 33 deg and the
> original drawing is 38 deg.  I had a hard time getting the rear support
> angle.  Because of this I'm planning to putting the bunks on swivels.
> This
> would make for more even pressure.
>
> Another thing I forgot to mention is the rear supports on Talbot's trailer
> are 70" (outside to outside) at the trailer level and 167 at the top.
> There
> is a visible slant inward when you look from the rear.  Other trailer
> pictures I have seen don't seem to have this.
>
> I think I am going to put the bunks on swivels but it would still be good
> to
> know if they should be straight or have the slight inward slant.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Triad-Trailer-brakes-and-adjustments-tp52121p52324.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Jul 11 11:14:35 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 15:14:35 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Mike,
Good catch.  The drawing I posted was originally posted by Todd.  I forgot about the correction that he posted.  Looks like the correct dimensions are below. - rob


Rob Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 7:56 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

The original posting by Todd Tavares in April 2004 (http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2004-April/014047.html),
discusses the error in the dimensions:

	[Rhodes22-list] Trailer Specs
	Todd Tavares sprocket80 at mail.com
	Fri Apr 9 00:13:07 EDT 2004

	Bob,

	The dimensions on the drawing of the trailer contain a mistake
	which I forgot to correct.  The rear vertical bunk support is taller
	than the front.  I had the dimensions reversed.  See the sketch
	with the boat.  16.5" in the rear and 15.5" in the front.  The
	question of supporting weight with the keel roller (and how 
	much weight should bear on that support roller) has been
	debated here in the past.  Maybe some of the more 
	experienced members will have better advice on that subject.

	Todd

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

From cjlowE at sssnet.com  Mon Jul 11 16:45:07 2016
From: cjlowE at sssnet.com (cjlowE at sssnet.com)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 16:45:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] children just love sailing
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The trick is the way you introduce them to it, For the long time list
members,these are the stars of the treasuer island series.
Jerry Lowe
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From sjfed at tds.net  Mon Jul 11 19:47:18 2016
From: sjfed at tds.net (sjfed at tds.net)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 19:47:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Prop advise
In-Reply-To: <569662963.37995137.1468279769808.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net>
Message-ID: <111238964.38010268.1468280838687.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net>

Does anyone have info on what they believe to be the best replacement Prop to order for the 9.9 Yamaha, 20'long shaft, low rpm, high thrust outboard engine ?


Thanks,

Scott
s/v 00Sailin 

From dwbrad at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 06:43:00 2016
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 06:43:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Prop advise
In-Reply-To: <111238964.38010268.1468280838687.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net>
References: <111238964.38010268.1468280838687.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net>
Message-ID: <A3CBBEAC-FA2A-4F9B-817B-9CDAD7465229@gmail.com>

Scott, 

I can try and get a number off my factory equipment version of the same motor when I?m at the boat this weekend.  Let me know if that helps.

Dave B

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:47 PM, sjfed at tds.net wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have info on what they believe to be the best replacement Prop to order for the 9.9 Yamaha, 20'long shaft, low rpm, high thrust outboard engine ?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott
> s/v 00Sailin 
> __________________________________________________
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From bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net  Tue Jul 12 10:59:59 2016
From: bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net (Rhodes22)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 10:59:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Prop advise
In-Reply-To: <111238964.38010268.1468280838687.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net>
References: <111238964.38010268.1468280838687.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net>
Message-ID: <F41591CF-5AA4-437A-A0A6-CCC08890F1ED@bellsouth.net>

I "believe" that Yamaha describes it as a "high thrust" prop. 

Bob in Stuart. 2010 R22 "NoKaOi 3"

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:47 PM, "sjfed at tds.net" <sjfed at tds.net> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have info on what they believe to be the best replacement Prop to order for the 9.9 Yamaha, 20'long shaft, low rpm, high thrust outboard engine ?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott
> s/v 00Sailin 
> __________________________________________________
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue Jul 12 11:43:52 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 15:43:52 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Prop advise
In-Reply-To: <F41591CF-5AA4-437A-A0A6-CCC08890F1ED@bellsouth.net>
References: <111238964.38010268.1468280838687.JavaMail.zimbra@tds.net>
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Message-ID: <fd80868dbc68431c8a3a14b7566eb1b0@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

This is actually one of my issues too.  I have the same engine and the prop has too much thrust.  Even at the lowest idle speed I'm going faster than what I would like and my speed tops out at maybe half throttle.  Now that's probably best for fuel economy but I'd rather be able to have more control at lower speeds.  Anyone that has a different prop for this engine and is happy with it, I'd be interested in what prop they have. - rob

Rob Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rhodes22
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 11:00 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Prop advise

I "believe" that Yamaha describes it as a "high thrust" prop. 

Bob in Stuart. 2010 R22 "NoKaOi 3"

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:47 PM, "sjfed at tds.net" <sjfed at tds.net> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have info on what they believe to be the best replacement Prop to order for the 9.9 Yamaha, 20'long shaft, low rpm, high thrust outboard engine ?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Scott
> s/v 00Sailin
> __________________________________________________
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> 
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jul 12 22:02:19 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 22:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] to Peter from stan re plan 3
In-Reply-To: <c8317e7f-d158-f1b6-cd21-429bbd797961@rhodes22.com>
References: <c8317e7f-d158-f1b6-cd21-429bbd797961@rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <000901d1dcaa$9845fe50$c8d1faf0$@com>

Stan,

The drawback with referencing a website is that there is no guarantee that
the content will be available at a future date when someone retrieves the
original email.  Of course, this does not apply to usedrhodes.com since te
content is under your control.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Stan Spitzer
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 5:47 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; Stan Spitzer
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] to Peter from stan re plan 3


Peter,

One way that seems to work is using your own web site.   (Don's idea)  
In this sample you just send the address instead of the picture with (if
need) instructions to scroll to the bottom of the page.

             http://www.usedrhodes.com/newsystuff.html

stan

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From stan at rhodes22.com  Wed Jul 13 06:30:52 2016
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 06:30:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] to Peter from stan re plan 3
In-Reply-To: <000901d1dcaa$9845fe50$c8d1faf0$@com>
References: <c8317e7f-d158-f1b6-cd21-429bbd797961@rhodes22.com>
 <000901d1dcaa$9845fe50$c8d1faf0$@com>
Message-ID: <e26ad77e-c4e3-efea-d122-42950b2b23cc@rhodes22.com>


Thanks Mike,

You are too kind to not even have mentioned the big 90 drawback. I gave 
the example linkage example to move myself to get the R 27 picture on 
the "Newsy Stuff" page.

ss


On 7/12/16 10:02 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Stan,
>
> The drawback with referencing a website is that there is no guarantee that
> the content will be available at a future date when someone retrieves the
> original email.  Of course, this does not apply to usedrhodes.com since te
> content is under your control.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Stan Spitzer
> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 5:47 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; Stan Spitzer
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] to Peter from stan re plan 3
>
>
> Peter,
>
> One way that seems to work is using your own web site.   (Don's idea)
> In this sample you just send the address instead of the picture with (if
> need) instructions to scroll to the bottom of the page.
>
>               http://www.usedrhodes.com/newsystuff.html
>
> stan
>
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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 07:16:02 2016
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 07:16:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] to Peter from stan re plan 3
In-Reply-To: <e26ad77e-c4e3-efea-d122-42950b2b23cc@rhodes22.com>
References: <c8317e7f-d158-f1b6-cd21-429bbd797961@rhodes22.com>
 <000901d1dcaa$9845fe50$c8d1faf0$@com>
 <e26ad77e-c4e3-efea-d122-42950b2b23cc@rhodes22.com>
Message-ID: <16471B47-F8E8-49B1-A2FF-F0464933B17F@gmail.com>

R-27?

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 6:30 AM, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Mike,
> 
> You are too kind to not even have mentioned the big 90 drawback. I gave the example linkage example to move myself to get the R 27 picture on the "Newsy Stuff" page.
> 
> ss
> 
> 
>> On 7/12/16 10:02 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> Stan,
>> 
>> The drawback with referencing a website is that there is no guarantee that
>> the content will be available at a future date when someone retrieves the
>> original email.  Of course, this does not apply to usedrhodes.com since te
>> content is under your control.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> Stan Spitzer
>> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 5:47 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; Stan Spitzer
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] to Peter from stan re plan 3
>> 
>> 
>> Peter,
>> 
>> One way that seems to work is using your own web site.   (Don's idea)
>> In this sample you just send the address instead of the picture with (if
>> need) instructions to scroll to the bottom of the page.
>> 
>>              http://www.usedrhodes.com/newsystuff.html
>> 
>> stan
>> 
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From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 07:44:57 2016
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 05:44:57 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Keeping the table top stowed?
In-Reply-To: <7483C7F6-A26C-4F02-A6CC-EBD3875A2762@mac.com>
References: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>
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Here is a pic and web link to the part I use to hold table in place.

http://www.mcmaster.com/#8471A17

Had to remove the rail to drill.  Place the hole down at the center line
of where the table top will rest, otherwise the knob would be too close to
ceiling.  There may be better suited parts but this one works ok.

Patrick

Patrick Riley
Lakewood, CO
s/v Cleone

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com> wrote:

> In the words of a former list member Alex??..a Lot of Extra Bungees!!!!
> > On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Olivier,
> >
> > I hook a bungee cord to the forward ends of the track and pull the middle
> > of the cord over the post receptacle on the table bottom.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I searched and didn?t find anything on this one?has anyone come up with
> a
> >> simple solution to keep the table top from sliding out of it?s stowage
> >> location?  It hasn?t happened to me underway yet, but it has slid out of
> >> it?s mounts twice while towing, and I?m worried it will slide out at a
> bad
> >> time under sail and either hurt someone or damage something.
> >>
> >> I?m thinking about a thumbscrew or two in strategic locations, but I?m
> not
> >> near the boat now and it?s hard to remember where the possible places
> for
> >> something like that are.  If someone has close-up pictures of the aft
> >> portion of the stowage rails, then I could probably think up a few
> options
> >> and take some hardware with me to the boat tomorrow?thanks!
> >>
> >> Olivier
> >> s/v/ Fretless
> >> __________________________________________________
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> >>
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Wed Jul 13 09:06:12 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 09:06:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Keeping the table top stowed?
In-Reply-To: <CAJGJx+B-LzJ1QQX5_vqA2G7Qu7N8jvFYCxLC0Wf1NCG_sBFTyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ADD2FC7F-F3FB-40A0-A2C5-34739DAABF20@earthlink.net>
 <CABkv36a=4M8A4Wi=zsd2iWf8mcT8jiBqxm3fSN8oqEHsWGQGwQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <74530A4B-AF17-4B75-9C7E-6163FEC9CA71@earthlink.net>

Thanks Patrick...that's close to what I was thinking and having a part number definitely helps!

Where do you sail in Colorado?  My wife wants us to move back there eventually and worried a sailboat was incompatable with that geography, so I'm interested in any good sailing stories or spots from the area!

Olivier

> On Jul 13, 2016, at 7:44 AM, PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here is a pic and web link to the part I use to hold table in place.
> 
> http://www.mcmaster.com/#8471A17
> 
> Had to remove the rail to drill.  Place the hole down at the center line
> of where the table top will rest, otherwise the knob would be too close to
> ceiling.  There may be better suited parts but this one works ok.
> 
> Patrick
> 
> Patrick Riley
> Lakewood, CO
> s/v Cleone
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 5:14 AM, Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In the words of a former list member Alex??..a Lot of Extra Bungees!!!!
>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 10:22 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Olivier,
>>> 
>>> I hook a bungee cord to the forward ends of the track and pull the middle
>>> of the cord over the post receptacle on the table bottom.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 8:41 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I searched and didn?t find anything on this one?has anyone come up with
>> a
>>>> simple solution to keep the table top from sliding out of it?s stowage
>>>> location?  It hasn?t happened to me underway yet, but it has slid out of
>>>> it?s mounts twice while towing, and I?m worried it will slide out at a
>> bad
>>>> time under sail and either hurt someone or damage something.
>>>> 
>>>> I?m thinking about a thumbscrew or two in strategic locations, but I?m
>> not
>>>> near the boat now and it?s hard to remember where the possible places
>> for
>>>> something like that are.  If someone has close-up pictures of the aft
>>>> portion of the stowage rails, then I could probably think up a few
>> options
>>>> and take some hardware with me to the boat tomorrow?thanks!
>>>> 
>>>> Olivier
>>>> s/v/ Fretless
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>> go
>>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>> __________________________________________________
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>>> 
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>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>> 
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From 5399paul at gmail.com  Wed Jul 13 21:06:23 2016
From: 5399paul at gmail.com (Paul Hofmann)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2016 21:06:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAGsHMcGH5ePqApXO=4d6SuVM7+uLOPM_EbvF_QYOvt7_mWr1Cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1466008725287-52101.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1468096246893-52312.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <DM3PR18MB073193400E7896EA5408075ED93D0@DM3PR18MB0731.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAGsHMcGH5ePqApXO=4d6SuVM7+uLOPM_EbvF_QYOvt7_mWr1Cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGsHMcG7Hn2JT1L-XFUqzHL2LCckRw9tf2=XY-8GboW1-3tCCg@mail.gmail.com>

Happy (and sad) to say that a very nice couple, Ed & Sandy bought Miss
Adventure today. They will be sailing her on Smith Mountain Lake. I asked
them to shout out to Rummy's spirit and to look up some of his posts.

Please welcome Ed & Sandy to "da list".

Paul

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Hofmann <5399paul at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Charles.
>
> I listed on Sailboat Listings, Virginia Inland Sailing and on "the list".
>
> I will check out sailingtexas.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Paul
>> Have you listed her on sailingtexas.com ?
>>
>> This site sells boats all across the country. I bought and sold two there.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Charles
>> 98 R 22
>> s/v Daydream
>>
>> > On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Paul <5399paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Miss Adventure is still looking for a new home. She is feeling
>> neglected as I
>> > have been sailing less than once per week! Help!
>> > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52312/IMG_0916.jpg>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----
>> > Paul
>> > s/v Miss Adventure
>> > 88/01 R22
>> > The Villages FL
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:
>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Miss-Adventure-is-for-sale-tp52101p52312.html
>> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> > __________________________________________________
>> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> >
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>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>> __________________________________________________
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>>
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>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jul 14 09:25:27 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:25:27 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAGsHMcG7Hn2JT1L-XFUqzHL2LCckRw9tf2=XY-8GboW1-3tCCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1466008725287-52101.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1468096246893-52312.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <DM3PR18MB073193400E7896EA5408075ED93D0@DM3PR18MB0731.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAGsHMcGH5ePqApXO=4d6SuVM7+uLOPM_EbvF_QYOvt7_mWr1Cg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGsHMcG7Hn2JT1L-XFUqzHL2LCckRw9tf2=XY-8GboW1-3tCCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aea925d5e53b4759b25c8716254546f2@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Paul,
You sold Miss Adventure?  That was quick.  Cary told me you had some folks looking at her the other day.  We didn't even get a chance to meet, let alone sail together!  Congratulations on the sale but we'll miss you. - rob

Rob Lowe
Claytor Lake
Home to two Rhodes down from three.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hofmann
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 9:06 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale

Happy (and sad) to say that a very nice couple, Ed & Sandy bought Miss Adventure today. They will be sailing her on Smith Mountain Lake. I asked them to shout out to Rummy's spirit and to look up some of his posts.

Please welcome Ed & Sandy to "da list".

Paul

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Hofmann <5399paul at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Charles.
>
> I listed on Sailboat Listings, Virginia Inland Sailing and on "the list".
>
> I will check out sailingtexas.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Charles Nieman 
> <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Paul
>> Have you listed her on sailingtexas.com ?
>>
>> This site sells boats all across the country. I bought and sold two there.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Charles
>> 98 R 22
>> s/v Daydream
>>
>> > On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Paul <5399paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Miss Adventure is still looking for a new home. She is feeling
>> neglected as I
>> > have been sailing less than once per week! Help!
>> > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52312/IMG_0916.jpg>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----
>> > Paul
>> > s/v Miss Adventure
>> > 88/01 R22
>> > The Villages FL
>> > --
>> > View this message in context:
>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Miss-Adventure-is-for-sale-tp5
>> 2101p52312.html
>> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> > __________________________________________________
>> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> >
>> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>> > archives
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> > __________________________________________________
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>> __________________________________________________
>>
>
>
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From 5399paul at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 09:39:34 2016
From: 5399paul at gmail.com (Paul Hofmann)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 09:39:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
In-Reply-To: <aea925d5e53b4759b25c8716254546f2@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
References: <1466008725287-52101.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1468096246893-52312.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <DM3PR18MB073193400E7896EA5408075ED93D0@DM3PR18MB0731.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAGsHMcGH5ePqApXO=4d6SuVM7+uLOPM_EbvF_QYOvt7_mWr1Cg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGsHMcG7Hn2JT1L-XFUqzHL2LCckRw9tf2=XY-8GboW1-3tCCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <aea925d5e53b4759b25c8716254546f2@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <7CDC9B61-72EE-4FAA-BDA1-BEDB69E97940@gmail.com>

Thanks Rob. She is still at Claytor until new owners move her to SML.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2016, at 9:25 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> Paul,
> You sold Miss Adventure?  That was quick.  Cary told me you had some folks looking at her the other day.  We didn't even get a chance to meet, let alone sail together!  Congratulations on the sale but we'll miss you. - rob
> 
> Rob Lowe
> Claytor Lake
> Home to two Rhodes down from three.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hofmann
> Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2016 9:06 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
> 
> Happy (and sad) to say that a very nice couple, Ed & Sandy bought Miss Adventure today. They will be sailing her on Smith Mountain Lake. I asked them to shout out to Rummy's spirit and to look up some of his posts.
> 
> Please welcome Ed & Sandy to "da list".
> 
> Paul
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Paul Hofmann <5399paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Charles.
>> 
>> I listed on Sailboat Listings, Virginia Inland Sailing and on "the list".
>> 
>> I will check out sailingtexas.
>> 
>> Thanks again.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Charles Nieman 
>> <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Paul
>>> Have you listed her on sailingtexas.com ?
>>> 
>>> This site sells boats all across the country. I bought and sold two there.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Charles
>>> 98 R 22
>>> s/v Daydream
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 9, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Paul <5399paul at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Miss Adventure is still looking for a new home. She is feeling
>>> neglected as I
>>>> have been sailing less than once per week! Help!
>>>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52312/IMG_0916.jpg>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----
>>>> Paul
>>>> s/v Miss Adventure
>>>> 88/01 R22
>>>> The Villages FL
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context:
>>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Miss-Adventure-is-for-sale-tp5
>>> 2101p52312.html
>>>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>>> archives
>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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> __________________________________________________
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From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Thu Jul 14 16:38:41 2016
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 14:38:41 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes sighting - Southern Shores NC
Message-ID: <CAJGJx+B4JB+_oQEWSuHGB1QPKkp4-RrBt1XwNTpHvr-xeHr9-w@mail.gmail.com>

I spotted S/V Spray at home in S.S. Marina just before I motored up the
canal to collect a few pine cones with my Mast.  :-).

S/V Spray are you on the list?

Patrick Riley
Lakewood, CO
s/v Cleone

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jul 16 09:00:03 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2016 09:00:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rivets
In-Reply-To: <019801d1d957$2f7601a0$8e6204e0$@ca>
References: <8b8690f92511460a93afea14fd7c7aaf@macarthurlawfirm.com>
 <019801d1d957$2f7601a0$8e6204e0$@ca>
Message-ID: <005b01d1df61$f7f8bb30$e7ea3190$@ca>

Does anyone know what size of rivet is used for the hull - deck joint?

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




From daysails at aol.com  Sun Jul 17 08:38:50 2016
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:38:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] children just love sailing
In-Reply-To: <55115.24.140.30.102.1468269907.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <155f8ddc26a-7062-7075@webprd-m04.mail.aol.com>


Great pictures.  I think children of all ages enjoy sailing.  Look at Stan!
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: cjlowE <cjlowE at sssnet.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2016 4:45 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] children just love sailing

The trick is the way you introduce them to it, For the long time list
members,these are the stars of the treasuer island series.
Jerry Lowe
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From ric at steelbone.com  Sun Jul 17 09:30:07 2016
From: ric at steelbone.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:30:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
Message-ID: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>

Does anyone know where to buy the clutch that is currently used to hold the rudder in the down position?
Ric
sv Dadventure

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 8:38 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Great pictures.  I think children of all ages enjoy sailing.  Look at Stan!
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cjlowE <cjlowE at sssnet.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Mon, Jul 11, 2016 4:45 pm
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] children just love sailing
> 
> The trick is the way you introduce them to it, For the long time list
> members,these are the stars of the treasuer island series.
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From planegm at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 17 12:13:05 2016
From: planegm at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 09:13:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
Message-ID: <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi Ric

This was an exact replacement on my 91'


Clamcleat ? CL257 Auto Release Cleat for Rudders

Got it at Amazon




-----
Gary
s/v Just Bent
'90 Rhodes 22
(recycled 2001)
Sun City, AZ
--
View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Rudder-hold-down-tp52344p52346.html
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Jul 17 16:13:18 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 16:13:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
 <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>

Interesting.  Apparently, like a lot of things on the Rhodes 22, there?s more than one way this was done.

I?ve got a star knob on the forward edge of the rudder just below the tiller.  This can be tightened or loosened to adjust the pressure applied on the pair of lines used to pull the rudder into the forward (i.e. all the way down) position.

I plan to be on the boat again on Tuesday, if someone would like a picture.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Gary via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ric
> 
> This was an exact replacement on my 91'
> 
> 
> Clamcleat ? CL257 Auto Release Cleat for Rudders
> 
> Got it at Amazon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Gary
> s/v Just Bent
> '90 Rhodes 22
> (recycled 2001)
> Sun City, AZ
> --
> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Rudder-hold-down-tp52344p52346.html
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sun Jul 17 20:30:17 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 20:30:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
 <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <00a701d1e08b$8f1132c0$ad339840$@ca>

Peter:

I for one would like to see how the rudder lines are arranged on your boat.
Thanks,


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: July 17, 2016 4:13 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down

Interesting.  Apparently, like a lot of things on the Rhodes 22, there?s more than one way this was done.

I?ve got a star knob on the forward edge of the rudder just below the tiller.  This can be tightened or loosened to adjust the pressure applied on the pair of lines used to pull the rudder into the forward (i.e. all the way down) position.

I plan to be on the boat again on Tuesday, if someone would like a picture.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Gary via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ric
> 
> This was an exact replacement on my 91'
> 
> 
> Clamcleat ? CL257 Auto Release Cleat for Rudders
> 
> Got it at Amazon
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Gary
> s/v Just Bent
> '90 Rhodes 22
> (recycled 2001)
> Sun City, AZ
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Rudder-hold-down-tp52344p52346.
> html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 18 05:45:29 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 05:45:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
Message-ID: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>

Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly ineffective. 

I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have the boat for a while. 

Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters. 

Thanks in advance,

Olivier
s/v Fretless

From jadoucet at snet.net  Mon Jul 18 07:27:38 2016
From: jadoucet at snet.net (Joseph Doucet)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 07:27:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
References: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <7BB460A5-CB4A-4CCD-8CD7-F1BCDC2E2B47@snet.net>

What is the problem?  Entering a slip? Getting on/ off a trailer? Underway in a crowded harbor  or Chanel?

Joe recycled 2004

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly ineffective. 
> 
> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have the boat for a while. 
> 
> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters. 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Olivier
> s/v Fretless
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 18 07:28:40 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 07:28:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
References: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMD-xwrE-WRfpMn+7G8NfD+LATTQje2scm_oRBsT1aYPkw@mail.gmail.com>

Have you reached out to Mary Lou and Fred to see how they did it in
Fretless?

Hank

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 5:45 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed
> maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly
> ineffective.
>
> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom
> work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have
> the boat for a while.
>
> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or part
> numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha 8hp
> 4-stoke in case that matters.
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Olivier
> s/v Fretless
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 18 08:43:57 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:43:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <7BB460A5-CB4A-4CCD-8CD7-F1BCDC2E2B47@snet.net>
References: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
 <7BB460A5-CB4A-4CCD-8CD7-F1BCDC2E2B47@snet.net>
Message-ID: <EF7F47FB-10E8-4F85-B575-E1B1350DA27E@earthlink.net>

Maneuvering around a tight harbor or marina. 

> On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:27 AM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
> 
> What is the problem?  Entering a slip? Getting on/ off a trailer? Underway in a crowded harbor  or Chanel?
> 
> Joe recycled 2004
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly ineffective. 
>> 
>> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have the boat for a while. 
>> 
>> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters. 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Olivier
>> s/v Fretless
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 18 08:47:06 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:47:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <EF7F47FB-10E8-4F85-B575-E1B1350DA27E@earthlink.net>
References: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
 <7BB460A5-CB4A-4CCD-8CD7-F1BCDC2E2B47@snet.net>
 <EF7F47FB-10E8-4F85-B575-E1B1350DA27E@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMAm0LSM3igGKqEp7pS9cSXMR22X+SAH7zzFx=ZHzej6Fg@mail.gmail.com>

But what is the issue?  With the motor locked forward, you should have
sufficient rudder authority to control the boat.  Is the rudder all the way
down and locked?

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:

> Maneuvering around a tight harbor or marina.
>
> > On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:27 AM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
> >
> > What is the problem?  Entering a slip? Getting on/ off a trailer?
> Underway in a crowded harbor  or Chanel?
> >
> > Joe recycled 2004
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jul 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed
> maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly
> ineffective.
> >>
> >> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom
> work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have
> the boat for a while.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or
> part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha
> 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> Olivier
> >> s/v Fretless
> >> __________________________________________________
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From jjcampjr at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 18 08:45:27 2016
From: jjcampjr at yahoo.com (Joe Camp)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 12:45:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
References: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <1930863756.1335912.1468845927110.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Oliver:
???? Yours is a universal problem.? Maneuvering in tight quarters with a sailboat & OB motor is pretty tough. You can hit Stan up for one of his Tiller/Motor connections.? But, each boat and motor must be custom fit at GB in Edenton.? The problem (as I analyzed it) was the need to manage the tiller and motor's gears from the same perch in the cockpit.? Since one MUST be moving very slowly in docking procedures, shifting was the real problem.
???? I built a solution by getting a sturdy metal rod and a flat piece of metal about ten or so inches long.? This flat piece, I screwed to shift lever, so it stuck up, and made the gears easier to feel.? To the top the flat piece, I attached the rod by whatever means seemed strongest.? Before installation, I heated and bent the rod into a handle that made it easy to, well, "handle". This is long enough to reach just over the transom. So, sitting on the gunwale, and using my tiller extension stick I am able to control my slow (key word: "slow") approach by using the shifter to manage any approach to a dock or slip. Slowly forward and using reverse to make any maneuvers easier to manage. Remember "slow".? Boats have no brakes, and you need to think ahead several steps and consider wind, currents, tides and other boats. 

? ?? The rig is ugly, but it is also supremely functional.? Sorry, no pics.? I always intend take some, but never seem to actually do it. My phone is not a camera; in makes calls.? Good luck.
Joe Camp
s/v John Dawson
Bohemia River, MD


 
      From: Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net>
 To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 5:45 AM
 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
   
Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly ineffective. 

I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have the boat for a while. 

Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or part numbers?? Or other solutions that have worked?? The motor is a Yamaha 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters. 

Thanks in advance,

Olivier
s/v Fretless
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 18 08:52:44 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:52:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMAm0LSM3igGKqEp7pS9cSXMR22X+SAH7zzFx=ZHzej6Fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
 <7BB460A5-CB4A-4CCD-8CD7-F1BCDC2E2B47@snet.net>
 <EF7F47FB-10E8-4F85-B575-E1B1350DA27E@earthlink.net>
 <CADQNfMAm0LSM3igGKqEp7pS9cSXMR22X+SAH7zzFx=ZHzej6Fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7B7FBCB0-B413-4A67-9866-531EE75B7DE0@earthlink.net>

Yes, the motor is locked in the straight ahead position and the rudder is down and locked, but I seem to have little to no steering control, especially in reverse. I end up steering with the motor as well in very tight quarter which is a pain and has its own issues. 

I'm just looking for a way to make it all easier...

> On Jul 18, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> But what is the issue?  With the motor locked forward, you should have
> sufficient rudder authority to control the boat.  Is the rudder all the way
> down and locked?
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 8:43 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Maneuvering around a tight harbor or marina.
>> 
>>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 7:27 AM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What is the problem?  Entering a slip? Getting on/ off a trailer?
>> Underway in a crowded harbor  or Chanel?
>>> 
>>> Joe recycled 2004
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 5:45 AM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed
>> maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly
>> ineffective.
>>>> 
>>>> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom
>> work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have
>> the boat for a while.
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or
>> part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha
>> 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> 
>>>> Olivier
>>>> s/v Fretless
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
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>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>> 
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 18 08:56:52 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 08:56:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <1930863756.1335912.1468845927110.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
 <1930863756.1335912.1468845927110.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA1C4FD7-6F69-4A88-AD1B-F8F3BCD7FCB7@earthlink.net>

Thanks Joe. Mary Lou and Fred actually solved the shifting issue by installing a traditional throttle/shifter on a spare table leg in the cockpit. Did you do anything to connect the tiller to the motor for steering?

> On Jul 18, 2016, at 8:45 AM, Joe Camp via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Oliver:
>      Yours is a universal problem.  Maneuvering in tight quarters with a sailboat & OB motor is pretty tough. You can hit Stan up for one of his Tiller/Motor connections.  But, each boat and motor must be custom fit at GB in Edenton.  The problem (as I analyzed it) was the need to manage the tiller and motor's gears from the same perch in the cockpit.  Since one MUST be moving very slowly in docking procedures, shifting was the real problem.
>      I built a solution by getting a sturdy metal rod and a flat piece of metal about ten or so inches long.  This flat piece, I screwed to shift lever, so it stuck up, and made the gears easier to feel.  To the top the flat piece, I attached the rod by whatever means seemed strongest.  Before installation, I heated and bent the rod into a handle that made it easy to, well, "handle". This is long enough to reach just over the transom. So, sitting on the gunwale, and using my tiller extension stick I am able to control my slow (key word: "slow") approach by using the shifter to manage any approach to a dock or slip. Slowly forward and using reverse to make any maneuvers easier to manage. Remember "slow".  Boats have no brakes, and you need to think ahead several steps and consider wind, currents, tides and other boats. 
> 
>      The rig is ugly, but it is also supremely functional.  Sorry, no pics.  I always intend take some, but never seem to actually do it. My phone is not a camera; in makes calls.  Good luck.
> Joe Camp
> s/v John Dawson
> Bohemia River, MD
> 
> 
> 
>      From: Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 5:45 AM
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
> 
> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly ineffective. 
> 
> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have the boat for a while. 
> 
> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters. 
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Olivier
> s/v Fretless
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From rweiss at siu.edu  Mon Jul 18 09:06:58 2016
From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 06:06:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
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Maneuvering in reverse is where I find Stan's tiller connection the most
helpful. Backing out of my slip with the motor turning with my rudder works
very well. However, I find this connection much less useful when returning
to my slip. Since I'm going very slow and have shifted to neutral to slow
down, the motor no longer has any impact on the steering. My problem comes
when I have wind to contend with which pushes my bow one way or the other
once I make the 90 degree turn right at my slip. Since I'm going so slow,
the wind usually overrides my turn and makes this maneuver difficult. I'm
thinking I need to keep up motoring with more speed and throw the motor into
reverse to stop in order to do this, but that makes me nervous also. 

When I bought my Recycled Rhodes 22 in September 2014, I bought an 8 hp
Mercury OB because it had the shift on the tiller of the OB. Stan installed
a pin on the top of the motor which holds the connecting arm to the rudder.
I assume part of this customization process was making the top of the motor
line up with the connecting arm on the top of the rudder.  I'm really glad I
bought this extra feature, but it really doesn't help much when pulling into
my slip. I'll insert a photo of the connection. 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52357/DSCN3487.jpg> 



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Beach Spring
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Jul 18 09:23:57 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 09:23:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
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Hi Olivier,

Just back from NC with Tara (12 days from Oriental to RH, 341 nm, 
marina-hopping all the way because of the heat) and saw your 
question. Can't help with the rudder-tiller connection as we never 
did it but can talk about operating in a marina.

Here is what we discovered about maneuvering in tight spaces. Note 
that there were always two of us, often including me on the bow with 
the boathook. Part of the issue is the high-thrust Yamaha engine. 
That big prop is great for moving through choppy water but not as 
good as our old Honda for maneuvering in tight spaces or in reverse. 
Fred found that short bursts of power were more effective than slow 
and steady - in other words, a burst of power to get the boat moving 
and then back to neutral while you steer with the rudder. Easy to do 
with the cockpit controls but it took a lot of practice and finesse 
to get the proper amounts of throttle and neutral and to make the 
turns with the tiller at the right moment or the right amount. The 
motor is off the center line so backing in one direction is different 
than backing in the other with the prop turning. The short bursts of 
power get the boat moving but allow the rudder to do the steering.

Hope this is helpful.

Mary Lou


At 05:45 AM 7/18/2016, you wrote:
>Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed 
>maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly ineffective.
>
>I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some 
>custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to 
>let him have the boat for a while.
>
>Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or 
>part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a 
>Yamaha 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Olivier
>s/v Fretless
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From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 18 10:19:51 2016
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 14:19:51 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <auto-000437955957@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
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I find that it also helps to have the centerboard lowered when maneuvering.?Don Simons, Ithaca, NY

      From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
 To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 9:23 AM
 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
   
Hi Olivier,

Just back from NC with Tara (12 days from Oriental to RH, 341 nm, 
marina-hopping all the way because of the heat) and saw your 
question. Can't help with the rudder-tiller connection as we never 
did it but can talk about operating in a marina.

Here is what we discovered about maneuvering in tight spaces. Note 
that there were always two of us, often including me on the bow with 
the boathook. Part of the issue is the high-thrust Yamaha engine. 
That big prop is great for moving through choppy water but not as 
good as our old Honda for maneuvering in tight spaces or in reverse. 
Fred found that short bursts of power were more effective than slow 
and steady - in other words, a burst of power to get the boat moving 
and then back to neutral while you steer with the rudder. Easy to do 
with the cockpit controls but it took a lot of practice and finesse 
to get the proper amounts of throttle and neutral and to make the 
turns with the tiller at the right moment or the right amount. The 
motor is off the center line so backing in one direction is different 
than backing in the other with the prop turning. The short bursts of 
power get the boat moving but allow the rudder to do the steering.

Hope this is helpful.

Mary Lou


At 05:45 AM 7/18/2016, you wrote:
>Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed 
>maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly ineffective.
>
>I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some 
>custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to 
>let him have the boat for a while.
>
>Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or 
>part numbers?? Or other solutions that have worked?? The motor is a 
>Yamaha 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Olivier
>s/v Fretless
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Jul 18 10:37:27 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 10:37:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <1139812658.803024.1468851591337.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
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Oliver,

An easy solution with cockpit motor controls is to install a tiller
extension on your outboard, allowing you to steer with the motor.  It saves
the connecting/disconnecting fuss of interconnecting with the rudder, and
the expense.

Rick

From boendert at me.com  Mon Jul 18 19:54:10 2016
From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 19:54:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
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Also, be sure to have the rudder all the way down to where it is pointed forward. This can have a dramatic effect on steering. 

Cheers,
Ted

S/V AIRPOWER 
1991/2013 R22
Jacksonville, FL



> On Jul 18, 2016, at 10:37 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Oliver,
> 
> An easy solution with cockpit motor controls is to install a tiller
> extension on your outboard, allowing you to steer with the motor.  It saves
> the connecting/disconnecting fuss of interconnecting with the rudder, and
> the expense.
> 
> Rick
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From sjfed at tds.net  Mon Jul 18 20:19:31 2016
From: sjfed at tds.net (sjfed at tds.net)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 20:19:31 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
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Joe,

Would love to see a picture of that set up on your shift lever.

Thanks

Scott Johnson
S/V 00Sailin
Knoxville, TN

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Camp via Rhodes22-list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 8:45:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?

Hi Oliver:
???? Yours is a universal problem.? Maneuvering in tight quarters with a sailboat & OB motor is pretty tough. You can hit Stan up for one of his Tiller/Motor connections.? But, each boat and motor must be custom fit at GB in Edenton.? The problem (as I analyzed it) was the need to manage the tiller and motor's gears from the same perch in the cockpit.? Since one MUST be moving very slowly in docking procedures, shifting was the real problem.
???? I built a solution by getting a sturdy metal rod and a flat piece of metal about ten or so inches long.? This flat piece, I screwed to shift lever, so it stuck up, and made the gears easier to feel.? To the top the flat piece, I attached the rod by whatever means seemed strongest.? Before installation, I heated and bent the rod into a handle that made it easy to, well, "handle". This is long enough to reach just over the transom. So, sitting on the gunwale, and using my tiller extension stick I am able to control my slow (key word: "slow") approach by using the shifter to manage any approach to a dock or slip. Slowly forward and using reverse to make any maneuvers easier to manage. Remember "slow".? Boats have no brakes, and you need to think ahead several steps and consider wind, currents, tides and other boats. 

? ?? The rig is ugly, but it is also supremely functional.? Sorry, no pics.? I always intend take some, but never seem to actually do it. My phone is not a camera; in makes calls.? Good luck.
Joe Camp
s/v John Dawson
Bohemia River, MD


 
      From: Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net>
 To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org 
 Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 5:45 AM
 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
   
Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly ineffective. 

I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have the boat for a while. 

Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or part numbers?? Or other solutions that have worked?? The motor is a Yamaha 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters. 

Thanks in advance,

Olivier
s/v Fretless
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 18 21:58:08 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2016 21:58:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
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Thanks Mary Lou, and I'm glad you and Fred are back home with Tara after what sounds like an epic trip!

> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Olivier,
> 
> Just back from NC with Tara (12 days from Oriental to RH, 341 nm, marina-hopping all the way because of the heat) and saw your question. Can't help with the rudder-tiller connection as we never did it but can talk about operating in a marina.
> 
> Here is what we discovered about maneuvering in tight spaces. Note that there were always two of us, often including me on the bow with the boathook. Part of the issue is the high-thrust Yamaha engine. That big prop is great for moving through choppy water but not as good as our old Honda for maneuvering in tight spaces or in reverse. Fred found that short bursts of power were more effective than slow and steady - in other words, a burst of power to get the boat moving and then back to neutral while you steer with the rudder. Easy to do with the cockpit controls but it took a lot of practice and finesse to get the proper amounts of throttle and neutral and to make the turns with the tiller at the right moment or the right amount. The motor is off the center line so backing in one direction is different than backing in the other with the prop turning. The short bursts of power get the boat moving but allow the rudder to do the steering.
> 
> Hope this is helpful.
> 
> Mary Lou
> 
> 
> At 05:45 AM 7/18/2016, you wrote:
>> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly ineffective.
>> 
>> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have the boat for a while.
>> 
>> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Olivier
>> s/v Fretless
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From lastmango68 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 06:27:40 2016
From: lastmango68 at gmail.com (Lance Horne)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 06:27:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <B180BD49-0F07-4976-A532-3753FA20ECAC@earthlink.net>
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Mary Lou has it. The only thing I can add is that prop walk and spring lines can also help. Find a place away from other boats. Practice, practice circles and figure 8?s forward and reverse at changing speeds; change directions and do the same. Practice stopping upwind, downwind, crosswind, and with various current positions. Your hand will automatically become a part of the motor, throttling up and down, neutral, forward,neutral, reverse. Before you know it the other boaters will be envious of your skills. Docking and undocking can actually be fun. If I can do it you can also.    Last Mango 
> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Mary Lou, and I'm glad you and Fred are back home with Tara after what sounds like an epic trip!
> 
>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Olivier,
>> 
>> Just back from NC with Tara (12 days from Oriental to RH, 341 nm, marina-hopping all the way because of the heat) and saw your question. Can't help with the rudder-tiller connection as we never did it but can talk about operating in a marina.
>> 
>> Here is what we discovered about maneuvering in tight spaces. Note that there were always two of us, often including me on the bow with the boathook. Part of the issue is the high-thrust Yamaha engine. That big prop is great for moving through choppy water but not as good as our old Honda for maneuvering in tight spaces or in reverse. Fred found that short bursts of power were more effective than slow and steady - in other words, a burst of power to get the boat moving and then back to neutral while you steer with the rudder. Easy to do with the cockpit controls but it took a lot of practice and finesse to get the proper amounts of throttle and neutral and to make the turns with the tiller at the right moment or the right amount. The motor is off the center line so backing in one direction is different than backing in the other with the prop turning. The short bursts of power get the boat moving but allow the rudder to do the steering.
>> 
>> Hope this is helpful.
>> 
>> Mary Lou
>> 
>> 
>> At 05:45 AM 7/18/2016, you wrote:
>>> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly ineffective.
>>> 
>>> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let him have the boat for a while.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> 
>>> Olivier
>>> s/v Fretless
>>> __________________________________________________
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 09:10:19 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:10:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <9D41E093-A7FE-4DC8-AC97-494C9E00663B@gmail.com>
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What's even more impressive is sailing into your moorings with no motor!
Make sure you have the sacrificial wife on the fore-deck to fend off...



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Lance Horne <lastmango68 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mary Lou has it. The only thing I can add is that prop walk and spring
> lines can also help. Find a place away from other boats. Practice, practice
> circles and figure 8?s forward and reverse at changing speeds; change
> directions and do the same. Practice stopping upwind, downwind, crosswind,
> and with various current positions. Your hand will automatically become a
> part of the motor, throttling up and down, neutral, forward,neutral,
> reverse. Before you know it the other boaters will be envious of your
> skills. Docking and undocking can actually be fun. If I can do it you can
> also.    Last Mango
> > On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks Mary Lou, and I'm glad you and Fred are back home with Tara after
> what sounds like an epic trip!
> >
> >> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Olivier,
> >>
> >> Just back from NC with Tara (12 days from Oriental to RH, 341 nm,
> marina-hopping all the way because of the heat) and saw your question.
> Can't help with the rudder-tiller connection as we never did it but can
> talk about operating in a marina.
> >>
> >> Here is what we discovered about maneuvering in tight spaces. Note that
> there were always two of us, often including me on the bow with the
> boathook. Part of the issue is the high-thrust Yamaha engine. That big prop
> is great for moving through choppy water but not as good as our old Honda
> for maneuvering in tight spaces or in reverse. Fred found that short bursts
> of power were more effective than slow and steady - in other words, a burst
> of power to get the boat moving and then back to neutral while you steer
> with the rudder. Easy to do with the cockpit controls but it took a lot of
> practice and finesse to get the proper amounts of throttle and neutral and
> to make the turns with the tiller at the right moment or the right amount.
> The motor is off the center line so backing in one direction is different
> than backing in the other with the prop turning. The short bursts of power
> get the boat moving but allow the rudder to do the steering.
> >>
> >> Hope this is helpful.
> >>
> >> Mary Lou
> >>
> >>
> >> At 05:45 AM 7/18/2016, you wrote:
> >>> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed
> maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly
> ineffective.
> >>>
> >>> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some
> custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let
> him have the boat for a while.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or
> part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha
> 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>
> >>> Olivier
> >>> s/v Fretless
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
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> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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> >>>
> >>>
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From jadoucet at snet.net  Tue Jul 19 09:40:25 2016
From: jadoucet at snet.net (Joseph Doucet)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:40:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
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This has been a good discussion on how to manage a R22 in crowded harbors using a gasoline outboard. A lot of good suggestions 

My solution is to use an electric motor.  It gives one much better control at low speeds with the speed / direction controls on the motor handle. Most motors have a handle extension built in. I stand with the tiller in one hand and the motor handle in the other.  I use a bank of light weight  lithium batteries that I either charge at the dock overnight or use a 50w solar charger when at anchor.

Advantages:
No noise
No gasoline smell
Can motor sail if necessary

Disadvantage :
More limited range
Less power at high speeds

Recycled 2004
Joe-the-elder in Connecticut

> On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What's even more impressive is sailing into your moorings with no motor!
> Make sure you have the sacrificial wife on the fore-deck to fend off...
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> 
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
> 
>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Lance Horne <lastmango68 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mary Lou has it. The only thing I can add is that prop walk and spring
>> lines can also help. Find a place away from other boats. Practice, practice
>> circles and figure 8?s forward and reverse at changing speeds; change
>> directions and do the same. Practice stopping upwind, downwind, crosswind,
>> and with various current positions. Your hand will automatically become a
>> part of the motor, throttling up and down, neutral, forward,neutral,
>> reverse. Before you know it the other boaters will be envious of your
>> skills. Docking and undocking can actually be fun. If I can do it you can
>> also.    Last Mango
>>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Mary Lou, and I'm glad you and Fred are back home with Tara after
>> what sounds like an epic trip!
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Olivier,
>>>> 
>>>> Just back from NC with Tara (12 days from Oriental to RH, 341 nm,
>> marina-hopping all the way because of the heat) and saw your question.
>> Can't help with the rudder-tiller connection as we never did it but can
>> talk about operating in a marina.
>>>> 
>>>> Here is what we discovered about maneuvering in tight spaces. Note that
>> there were always two of us, often including me on the bow with the
>> boathook. Part of the issue is the high-thrust Yamaha engine. That big prop
>> is great for moving through choppy water but not as good as our old Honda
>> for maneuvering in tight spaces or in reverse. Fred found that short bursts
>> of power were more effective than slow and steady - in other words, a burst
>> of power to get the boat moving and then back to neutral while you steer
>> with the rudder. Easy to do with the cockpit controls but it took a lot of
>> practice and finesse to get the proper amounts of throttle and neutral and
>> to make the turns with the tiller at the right moment or the right amount.
>> The motor is off the center line so backing in one direction is different
>> than backing in the other with the prop turning. The short bursts of power
>> get the boat moving but allow the rudder to do the steering.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> Mary Lou
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At 05:45 AM 7/18/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed
>> maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly
>> ineffective.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some
>> custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let
>> him have the boat for a while.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or
>> part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha
>> 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Olivier
>>>>> s/v Fretless
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>> 
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>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>> 07/18/16
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From lastmango68 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 19 09:48:53 2016
From: lastmango68 at gmail.com (Lance Horne)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:48:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
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Right on. Beth says she has been there and done that!   Last Mango
> On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What's even more impressive is sailing into your moorings with no motor!
> Make sure you have the sacrificial wife on the fore-deck to fend off...
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> 
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
> 
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Lance Horne <lastmango68 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mary Lou has it. The only thing I can add is that prop walk and spring
>> lines can also help. Find a place away from other boats. Practice, practice
>> circles and figure 8?s forward and reverse at changing speeds; change
>> directions and do the same. Practice stopping upwind, downwind, crosswind,
>> and with various current positions. Your hand will automatically become a
>> part of the motor, throttling up and down, neutral, forward,neutral,
>> reverse. Before you know it the other boaters will be envious of your
>> skills. Docking and undocking can actually be fun. If I can do it you can
>> also.    Last Mango
>>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Mary Lou, and I'm glad you and Fred are back home with Tara after
>> what sounds like an epic trip!
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Olivier,
>>>> 
>>>> Just back from NC with Tara (12 days from Oriental to RH, 341 nm,
>> marina-hopping all the way because of the heat) and saw your question.
>> Can't help with the rudder-tiller connection as we never did it but can
>> talk about operating in a marina.
>>>> 
>>>> Here is what we discovered about maneuvering in tight spaces. Note that
>> there were always two of us, often including me on the bow with the
>> boathook. Part of the issue is the high-thrust Yamaha engine. That big prop
>> is great for moving through choppy water but not as good as our old Honda
>> for maneuvering in tight spaces or in reverse. Fred found that short bursts
>> of power were more effective than slow and steady - in other words, a burst
>> of power to get the boat moving and then back to neutral while you steer
>> with the rudder. Easy to do with the cockpit controls but it took a lot of
>> practice and finesse to get the proper amounts of throttle and neutral and
>> to make the turns with the tiller at the right moment or the right amount.
>> The motor is off the center line so backing in one direction is different
>> than backing in the other with the prop turning. The short bursts of power
>> get the boat moving but allow the rudder to do the steering.
>>>> 
>>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>> 
>>>> Mary Lou
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> At 05:45 AM 7/18/2016, you wrote:
>>>>> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed
>> maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly
>> ineffective.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some
>> custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let
>> him have the boat for a while.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or
>> part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha
>> 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Olivier
>>>>> s/v Fretless
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>> 07/18/16
>>>> 
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 19 10:15:41 2016
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:15:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
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Joe
What kind of initial cost was involved???? This solution sounds very interesting 

Sent from my iPhone

Charles 
s/v Daydream
98 R 22
Joe Pool Lake; Dallas, TX

> On Jul 19, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
> 
> This has been a good discussion on how to manage a R22 in crowded harbors using a gasoline outboard. A lot of good suggestions 
> 
> My solution is to use an electric motor.  It gives one much better control at low speeds with the speed / direction controls on the motor handle. Most motors have a handle extension built in. I stand with the tiller in one hand and the motor handle in the other.  I use a bank of light weight  lithium batteries that I either charge at the dock overnight or use a 50w solar charger when at anchor.
> 
> Advantages:
> No noise
> No gasoline smell
> Can motor sail if necessary
> 
> Disadvantage :
> More limited range
> Less power at high speeds
> 
> Recycled 2004
> Joe-the-elder in Connecticut
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What's even more impressive is sailing into your moorings with no motor!
>> Make sure you have the sacrificial wife on the fore-deck to fend off...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>> 
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>> 
>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Lance Horne <lastmango68 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mary Lou has it. The only thing I can add is that prop walk and spring
>>> lines can also help. Find a place away from other boats. Practice, practice
>>> circles and figure 8?s forward and reverse at changing speeds; change
>>> directions and do the same. Practice stopping upwind, downwind, crosswind,
>>> and with various current positions. Your hand will automatically become a
>>> part of the motor, throttling up and down, neutral, forward,neutral,
>>> reverse. Before you know it the other boaters will be envious of your
>>> skills. Docking and undocking can actually be fun. If I can do it you can
>>> also.    Last Mango
>>>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks Mary Lou, and I'm glad you and Fred are back home with Tara after
>>> what sounds like an epic trip!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Olivier,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just back from NC with Tara (12 days from Oriental to RH, 341 nm,
>>> marina-hopping all the way because of the heat) and saw your question.
>>> Can't help with the rudder-tiller connection as we never did it but can
>>> talk about operating in a marina.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is what we discovered about maneuvering in tight spaces. Note that
>>> there were always two of us, often including me on the bow with the
>>> boathook. Part of the issue is the high-thrust Yamaha engine. That big prop
>>> is great for moving through choppy water but not as good as our old Honda
>>> for maneuvering in tight spaces or in reverse. Fred found that short bursts
>>> of power were more effective than slow and steady - in other words, a burst
>>> of power to get the boat moving and then back to neutral while you steer
>>> with the rudder. Easy to do with the cockpit controls but it took a lot of
>>> practice and finesse to get the proper amounts of throttle and neutral and
>>> to make the turns with the tiller at the right moment or the right amount.
>>> The motor is off the center line so backing in one direction is different
>>> than backing in the other with the prop turning. The short bursts of power
>>> get the boat moving but allow the rudder to do the steering.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> At 05:45 AM 7/18/2016, you wrote:
>>>>>> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed
>>> maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly
>>> ineffective.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some
>>> custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let
>>> him have the boat for a while.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or
>>> part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha
>>> 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Olivier
>>>>>> s/v Fretless
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>> No virus found in this message.
>>>>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
>>>>>> Version: 2016.0.7688 / Virus Database: 4627/12638 - Release Date:
>>> 07/18/16
>>>>> 
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>>>>> 
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>>>> __________________________________________________
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From jadoucet at snet.net  Tue Jul 19 13:45:27 2016
From: jadoucet at snet.net (Joseph Doucet)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:45:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
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I purchased most of the components some time ago.
Salt water , long shaft electric with at least 100 lbs of thrust was about $800
LiPo batteries 3 x 12 V at 40 amp hrs were $240 each
10 amp 12v LiPo charger ~$60

Solar charging components were ~ $200

Recycled 2004
Joe

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 19, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Joe
> What kind of initial cost was involved???? This solution sounds very interesting 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Charles 
> s/v Daydream
> 98 R 22
> Joe Pool Lake; Dallas, TX
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
>> 
>> This has been a good discussion on how to manage a R22 in crowded harbors using a gasoline outboard. A lot of good suggestions 
>> 
>> My solution is to use an electric motor.  It gives one much better control at low speeds with the speed / direction controls on the motor handle. Most motors have a handle extension built in. I stand with the tiller in one hand and the motor handle in the other.  I use a bank of light weight  lithium batteries that I either charge at the dock overnight or use a 50w solar charger when at anchor.
>> 
>> Advantages:
>> No noise
>> No gasoline smell
>> Can motor sail if necessary
>> 
>> Disadvantage :
>> More limited range
>> Less power at high speeds
>> 
>> Recycled 2004
>> Joe-the-elder in Connecticut
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What's even more impressive is sailing into your moorings with no motor!
>>> Make sure you have the sacrificial wife on the fore-deck to fend off...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>> 
>>> Richard Beytagh
>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Lance Horne <lastmango68 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mary Lou has it. The only thing I can add is that prop walk and spring
>>>> lines can also help. Find a place away from other boats. Practice, practice
>>>> circles and figure 8?s forward and reverse at changing speeds; change
>>>> directions and do the same. Practice stopping upwind, downwind, crosswind,
>>>> and with various current positions. Your hand will automatically become a
>>>> part of the motor, throttling up and down, neutral, forward,neutral,
>>>> reverse. Before you know it the other boaters will be envious of your
>>>> skills. Docking and undocking can actually be fun. If I can do it you can
>>>> also.    Last Mango
>>>>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:58 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks Mary Lou, and I'm glad you and Fred are back home with Tara after
>>>> what sounds like an epic trip!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 18, 2016, at 9:23 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Olivier,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just back from NC with Tara (12 days from Oriental to RH, 341 nm,
>>>> marina-hopping all the way because of the heat) and saw your question.
>>>> Can't help with the rudder-tiller connection as we never did it but can
>>>> talk about operating in a marina.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Here is what we discovered about maneuvering in tight spaces. Note that
>>>> there were always two of us, often including me on the bow with the
>>>> boathook. Part of the issue is the high-thrust Yamaha engine. That big prop
>>>> is great for moving through choppy water but not as good as our old Honda
>>>> for maneuvering in tight spaces or in reverse. Fred found that short bursts
>>>> of power were more effective than slow and steady - in other words, a burst
>>>> of power to get the boat moving and then back to neutral while you steer
>>>> with the rudder. Easy to do with the cockpit controls but it took a lot of
>>>> practice and finesse to get the proper amounts of throttle and neutral and
>>>> to make the turns with the tiller at the right moment or the right amount.
>>>> The motor is off the center line so backing in one direction is different
>>>> than backing in the other with the prop turning. The short bursts of power
>>>> get the boat moving but allow the rudder to do the steering.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope this is helpful.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> At 05:45 AM 7/18/2016, you wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello. Sailing Fretless is great but any docking or other slow speed
>>>> maneuvers under power, especially in reverse, is proving terribly
>>>> ineffective.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I reached out to Stan but I guess the installation involves some
>>>> custom work and I'd like to get a solution before I have a chance to let
>>>> him have the boat for a while.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Does anyone have some good close up pictures of the mechanism and/or
>>>> part numbers?  Or other solutions that have worked?  The motor is a Yamaha
>>>> 8hp 4-stoke in case that matters.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Olivier
>>>>>>> s/v Fretless
>>>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Tue Jul 19 14:27:07 2016
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:27:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
 <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <DM3PR18MB07317B4A0D5EEDF809846B78D9370@DM3PR18MB0731.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Gary
I have the thumb screw arrangement but think I would like what you have. Could you share a photo of how this is arranged on your boat?

Sent from my iPhone

Charles 
s/v Daydream
98 R 22
Joe Pool Lake; Dallas, TX

> On Jul 17, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting.  Apparently, like a lot of things on the Rhodes 22, there?s more than one way this was done.
> 
> I?ve got a star knob on the forward edge of the rudder just below the tiller.  This can be tightened or loosened to adjust the pressure applied on the pair of lines used to pull the rudder into the forward (i.e. all the way down) position.
> 
> I plan to be on the boat again on Tuesday, if someone would like a picture.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2016, at 12:13 PM, Gary via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Ric
>> 
>> This was an exact replacement on my 91'
>> 
>> 
>> Clamcleat ? CL257 Auto Release Cleat for Rudders
>> 
>> Got it at Amazon
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Gary
>> s/v Just Bent
>> '90 Rhodes 22
>> (recycled 2001)
>> Sun City, AZ
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Rudder-hold-down-tp52344p52346.html
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Jul 19 21:48:39 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (peter at sunnybeeches.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 18:48:39 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <00a701d1e08b$8f1132c0$ad339840$@ca>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
 <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <00a701d1e08b$8f1132c0$ad339840$@ca>
Message-ID: <20160719184839.Horde.AuDfilR7qMX90t_rLBlhavz@oberon.lunarpages.com>

Graham,

I only had my iPhone with me for a camera when I was on the boat  
today.  If there's something else you'd like to see, just say the  
word...





Quoting Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>:

> Peter:
>
> I for one would like to see how the rudder lines are arranged on your boat.
> Thanks,
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On  
> Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: July 17, 2016 4:13 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
>
> Interesting.  Apparently, like a lot of things on the Rhodes 22,  
> there?s more than one way this was done.
>
> I?ve got a star knob on the forward edge of the rudder just below  
> the tiller.  This can be tightened or loosened to adjust the  
> pressure applied on the pair of lines used to pull the rudder into  
> the forward (i.e. all the way down) position.
>
> I plan to be on the boat again on Tuesday, if someone would like a picture.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>

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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jul 20 05:14:52 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:14:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <20160719184839.Horde.AuDfilR7qMX90t_rLBlhavz@oberon.lunarpages.com>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
 <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <00a701d1e08b$8f1132c0$ad339840$@ca>
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Message-ID: <008601d1e267$2c86ddc0$85949940$@ca>

Peter:

Thanks for the photos. That helps a great deal. But why are there two lines? One line keeps the rudder down but what is the other one for?


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter at sunnybeeches.com
Sent: July 19, 2016 9:49 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down

Graham,

I only had my iPhone with me for a camera when I was on the boat today.  If there's something else you'd like to see, just say the word...





Quoting Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>:

> Peter:
>
> I for one would like to see how the rudder lines are arranged on your boat.
> Thanks,
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: July 17, 2016 4:13 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
>
> Interesting.  Apparently, like a lot of things on the Rhodes 22, 
> there?s more than one way this was done.
>
> I?ve got a star knob on the forward edge of the rudder just below the 
> tiller.  This can be tightened or loosened to adjust the pressure 
> applied on the pair of lines used to pull the rudder into the forward 
> (i.e. all the way down) position.
>
> I plan to be on the boat again on Tuesday, if someone would like a picture.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>

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From planegm at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 20 08:52:21 2016
From: planegm at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 05:52:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <DM3PR18MB07317B4A0D5EEDF809846B78D9370@DM3PR18MB0731.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
 <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <DM3PR18MB07317B4A0D5EEDF809846B78D9370@DM3PR18MB0731.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1469019141907-52374.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hello Charles,

This cam cleat has worked quite well on several occasions where I "bumped"
the rudder and wasn't ready enough to release it myself.  I didn't know how
old the cleat was on the boat when I bought it.  It looked a bit worn and
seemed to "release" easily, so I replaced it.  The new one works much
better.  The great thing about this cleat is you can pull the "down line" in
just a split second if you see trouble and allow the rudder to swing aft and
still have the insurance of the cleat releasing "automatically"  in case you
don't see any issues.

When we sailed Lake Powell a month ago, the water level changed 30' in the 3
weeks we were exploring the lake.  Yep, we bumped the rudder on occasion. 
The water level hasn't changed but a few feet in the 2 weeks we have been on
Flaming Gorge Nat. Res.

I see your a Texas sailor.  Out west, where it is quite rocky in the lakes,
we have rocks pop up often based on the changes in lake water level, as I am
sure you have noticed!

Here is a Pic.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52374/DSC_0436.jpg> 





-----
Gary
s/v Just Bent
'90 Rhodes 22
(recycled 2001)
Sun City, AZ
--
View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Rudder-hold-down-tp52344p52374.html
Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Jul 20 08:58:25 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:58:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <008601d1e267$2c86ddc0$85949940$@ca>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
 <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <00a701d1e08b$8f1132c0$ad339840$@ca>
 <20160719184839.Horde.AuDfilR7qMX90t_rLBlhavz@oberon.lunarpages.com>
 <008601d1e267$2c86ddc0$85949940$@ca>
Message-ID: <0d14e8eaaaa84163be20da9c0678098c@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Graham,
I have the same set up.  The "two lines" are actually a big loop.  The line threads through a hole in the forward part of the rudder and up through the "clamp" that keeps the rudder pulled forward when under way.  The top part of the loop gives you something to grab onto and pull upward.  There is a second loop which is usually a blue line that runs through a hole in the aft end of the rudder that allows you to lift the rudder once you undo the clamp.  I usually have to use a boat hook to convince the rudder to move one way or the other. 

Here is a picture previously posted by Rummy.  It shows a single line and not the "two line loop", but it's run the same.  Note the blue line is there just to hold the rudder for transport. - rob

http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20140603/efe166d2/attachment.jpe


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:15 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down

Peter:

Thanks for the photos. That helps a great deal. But why are there two lines? One line keeps the rudder down but what is the other one for?


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter at sunnybeeches.com
Sent: July 19, 2016 9:49 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down

Graham,

I only had my iPhone with me for a camera when I was on the boat today.  If there's something else you'd like to see, just say the word...





Quoting Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>:

> Peter:
>
> I for one would like to see how the rudder lines are arranged on your boat.
> Thanks,
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: July 17, 2016 4:13 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
>
> Interesting.  Apparently, like a lot of things on the Rhodes 22, 
> there?s more than one way this was done.
>
> I?ve got a star knob on the forward edge of the rudder just below the 
> tiller.  This can be tightened or loosened to adjust the pressure 
> applied on the pair of lines used to pull the rudder into the forward 
> (i.e. all the way down) position.
>
> I plan to be on the boat again on Tuesday, if someone would like a picture.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>

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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Jul 20 09:04:13 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:04:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <1469019141907-52374.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
 <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <DM3PR18MB07317B4A0D5EEDF809846B78D9370@DM3PR18MB0731.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <1469019141907-52374.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <008401d1e287$37fbb480$a7f31d80$@ebsmed.com>

We use the same cleat for the rudder.  You may read about it at:
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleat_details.asp?theid2=78

It is available for $27.99 at West Marine
(http://www.westmarine.com/buy/clamcleat--auto-release-rudder-cleat--1158443
) or less than $19 on Amazon
(https://www.amazon.com/Clamcleat-CL257-Release-Cleat-Rudders/dp/B003AFIL62)

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY




Hello Charles,

This cam cleat has worked quite well on several occasions where I "bumped"
the rudder and wasn't ready enough to release it myself.  I didn't know how
old the cleat was on the boat when I bought it.  It looked a bit worn and
seemed to "release" easily, so I replaced it.  The new one works much
better.  The great thing about this cleat is you can pull the "down line" in
just a split second if you see trouble and allow the rudder to swing aft and
still have the insurance of the cleat releasing "automatically"  in case you
don't see any issues.

When we sailed Lake Powell a month ago, the water level changed 30' in the 3
weeks we were exploring the lake.  Yep, we bumped the rudder on occasion. 
The water level hasn't changed but a few feet in the 2 weeks we have been on
Flaming Gorge Nat. Res.

I see your a Texas sailor.  Out west, where it is quite rocky in the lakes,
we have rocks pop up often based on the changes in lake water level, as I am
sure you have noticed!

Here is a Pic.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52374/DSC_0436.jpg> 
__________________________________________________


From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Jul 20 09:08:44 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:08:44 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <008401d1e287$37fbb480$a7f31d80$@ebsmed.com>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
 <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <DM3PR18MB07317B4A0D5EEDF809846B78D9370@DM3PR18MB0731.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
 <1469019141907-52374.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <008401d1e287$37fbb480$a7f31d80$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <f88d457bb7ac4f5e95a0e51aae3e96c4@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

That is a nice cleat.  I used it on my old boat.  A bit pricey but it's the only one of its kind that I found.  It probably works better than the "clamp" method. - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 9:04 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down

We use the same cleat for the rudder.  You may read about it at:
http://www.clamcleat.com/cleats/cleat_details.asp?theid2=78

It is available for $27.99 at West Marine
(http://www.westmarine.com/buy/clamcleat--auto-release-rudder-cleat--1158443
) or less than $19 on Amazon
(https://www.amazon.com/Clamcleat-CL257-Release-Cleat-Rudders/dp/B003AFIL62)

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 20 09:34:21 2016
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 13:34:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
In-Reply-To: <1469019141907-52374.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <D843E313-0C4A-4223-9C73-D54C94FE0EE2@steelbone.com>
 <1468771985371-52346.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <AECCFB11-6543-4514-91CE-3FD19106ED6B@sunnybeeches.com>
 <DM3PR18MB07317B4A0D5EEDF809846B78D9370@DM3PR18MB0731.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>,
 <1469019141907-52374.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DM3PR18MB07316C804A92BEE9E2C4F956D9080@DM3PR18MB0731.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Gary
Many Thanks

It's not rocky where I've been sailing, and I've never been close enough to shore to have any issues; but I'm thinking about doing the Texas 200 (texas200.com) and want something to release the rudder if needed in shallow water. That and the thumb screw can be a PITA, this would be much simpler. 

Sent from my iPhone

Charles 
s/v Daydream
98 R 22


> On Jul 20, 2016, at 7:52 AM, Gary via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Charles,
> 
> This cam cleat has worked quite well on several occasions where I "bumped"
> the rudder and wasn't ready enough to release it myself.  I didn't know how
> old the cleat was on the boat when I bought it.  It looked a bit worn and
> seemed to "release" easily, so I replaced it.  The new one works much
> better.  The great thing about this cleat is you can pull the "down line" in
> just a split second if you see trouble and allow the rudder to swing aft and
> still have the insurance of the cleat releasing "automatically"  in case you
> don't see any issues.
> 
> When we sailed Lake Powell a month ago, the water level changed 30' in the 3
> weeks we were exploring the lake.  Yep, we bumped the rudder on occasion. 
> The water level hasn't changed but a few feet in the 2 weeks we have been on
> Flaming Gorge Nat. Res.
> 
> I see your a Texas sailor.  Out west, where it is quite rocky in the lakes,
> we have rocks pop up often based on the changes in lake water level, as I am
> sure you have noticed!
> 
> Here is a Pic.
> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52374/DSC_0436.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Gary
> s/v Just Bent
> '90 Rhodes 22
> (recycled 2001)
> Sun City, AZ
> --
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jul 20 10:52:52 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 10:52:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
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Rob:
Thanks for the explanation. Now it makes sense.
I see we both have yellow boats. 
>From your picture it appears that your rudder is hung lower than mine. Of course it is also a somewhat different design so that might explain the apparently different location.

Graham

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
Sent: July 20, 2016 8:58 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down

Graham,
I have the same set up.  The "two lines" are actually a big loop.  The line threads through a hole in the forward part of the rudder and up through the "clamp" that keeps the rudder pulled forward when under way.  The top part of the loop gives you something to grab onto and pull upward.  There is a second loop which is usually a blue line that runs through a hole in the aft end of the rudder that allows you to lift the rudder once you undo the clamp.  I usually have to use a boat hook to convince the rudder to move one way or the other. 

Here is a picture previously posted by Rummy.  It shows a single line and not the "two line loop", but it's run the same.  Note the blue line is there just to hold the rudder for transport. - rob

http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20140603/efe166d2/attachment.jpe


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 5:15 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down

Peter:

Thanks for the photos. That helps a great deal. But why are there two lines? One line keeps the rudder down but what is the other one for?


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter at sunnybeeches.com
Sent: July 19, 2016 9:49 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down

Graham,

I only had my iPhone with me for a camera when I was on the boat today.  If there's something else you'd like to see, just say the word...





Quoting Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>:

> Peter:
>
> I for one would like to see how the rudder lines are arranged on your boat.
> Thanks,
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: July 17, 2016 4:13 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder hold down
>
> Interesting.  Apparently, like a lot of things on the Rhodes 22, 
> there?s more than one way this was done.
>
> I?ve got a star knob on the forward edge of the rudder just below the 
> tiller.  This can be tightened or loosened to adjust the pressure 
> applied on the pair of lines used to pull the rudder into the forward 
> (i.e. all the way down) position.
>
> I plan to be on the boat again on Tuesday, if someone would like a picture.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>

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From Austin.Abel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 14:49:32 2016
From: Austin.Abel at gmail.com (SwampFox)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:49:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Stepping
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I don't know if everyone can see or respond since you haven't joined the
mailing list. I'm pretty new to the list myself.

Please forgive my inadequate attempt to answer your question, as I am far
from an expert on anything. I just don't want you to feel too neglected. 

1) pretty much any marina will have a crane that can be used to lift the
mast. Looks like most the marinas in your area cater more to power boats,
but anyone should let you use the crane for an hour or two with no great
expense. http://ocsunsetmarina.com/boatel-boatyard/ - this place could
probably help you out. 

2) I wouldn't advise using dock line for anything that is going to
load-bearing. 

3) Do you have the CoS? General Boats has a reputation for being very
helpful with these kinds of issues/questions as long as you have the CoS.



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From cjlowE at sssnet.com  Fri Jul 22 15:35:35 2016
From: cjlowE at sssnet.com (cjlowE at sssnet.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 15:35:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Stepping
In-Reply-To: <1469213372962-52381.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1469035339798-52380.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <61440.24.140.30.102.1469216135.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

He is right,I cant see your post.better join the list. We can most likely
help you,but we have to know the question to narrow down our answers.

Jerry Lowe


> I don't know if everyone can see or respond since you haven't joined the
> mailing list. I'm pretty new to the list myself.
>
> Please forgive my inadequate attempt to answer your question, as I am far
> from an expert on anything. I just don't want you to feel too neglected.
>
> 1) pretty much any marina will have a crane that can be used to lift the
> mast. Looks like most the marinas in your area cater more to power boats,
> but anyone should let you use the crane for an hour or two with no great
> expense. http://ocsunsetmarina.com/boatel-boatyard/ - this place could
> probably help you out.
>
> 2) I wouldn't advise using dock line for anything that is going to
> load-bearing.
>
> 3) Do you have the CoS? General Boats has a reputation for being very
> helpful with these kinds of issues/questions as long as you have the CoS.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Mast-Stepping-tp52380p52381.html
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From clbedford at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 18:04:15 2016
From: clbedford at gmail.com (Chris Bedford)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 17:04:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Potential Buyer Seeking Trailer/Transport Advice
	and Ideas
Message-ID: <CACNZp-0b=x4HkpXet9osB0-VSeJqTWFbES_s4eAEw28Ru-gU1g@mail.gmail.com>

I've been following Rhodes for awhile, and I have my eye on used boat in
Massachusetts. The rub is that it doesn't come with a trailer, and I live
in the midwest, so it needs to be transported quite a ways.

The very few transport companies that have responded to me (most haven't
replied to requests or returned messages) have said they don't haul boats
that small, and no one seems to know where to find a trailer to tow it home
myself.

Any advice on transport companies to reach out to? Places to find a trailer
in MA? Creative ideas--anyone want to haul it to me on their trailer for a
reasonable fee? Doubtful, I know, but it can't hurt to ask. But seriously,
I'm very interested it he boat, but I can't find a way to get it from there
to here.

Looking forward to your advice.

From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Fri Jul 22 18:10:17 2016
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 22:10:17 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Potential Buyer Seeking Trailer/Transport
	Advice	and Ideas
In-Reply-To: <CACNZp-0b=x4HkpXet9osB0-VSeJqTWFbES_s4eAEw28Ru-gU1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACNZp-0b=x4HkpXet9osB0-VSeJqTWFbES_s4eAEw28Ru-gU1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EFB2B29C-84B8-4669-9E5A-B2C0560BE3B0@cowieassociates.com>

Contact Richard for transport.


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On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Chris Bedford <clbedford at gmail.com<mailto:clbedford at gmail.com>> wrote:

I've been following Rhodes for awhile, and I have my eye on used boat in
Massachusetts. The rub is that it doesn't come with a trailer, and I live
in the midwest, so it needs to be transported quite a ways.

The very few transport companies that have responded to me (most haven't
replied to requests or returned messages) have said they don't haul boats
that small, and no one seems to know where to find a trailer to tow it home
myself.

Any advice on transport companies to reach out to? Places to find a trailer
in MA? Creative ideas--anyone want to haul it to me on their trailer for a
reasonable fee? Doubtful, I know, but it can't hurt to ask. But seriously,
I'm very interested it he boat, but I can't find a way to get it from there
to here.

Looking forward to your advice.
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Fri Jul 22 19:09:58 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:09:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <61D70729-DCAF-415A-AF1E-5EAD5C855CEF@snet.net>
References: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
 <auto-000437955957@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
 <B180BD49-0F07-4976-A532-3753FA20ECAC@earthlink.net>
 <9D41E093-A7FE-4DC8-AC97-494C9E00663B@gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9YPrFsb2-WS+tYRPhPiYuK6QdQ57v4Z2WjQxXJQ9cLFnQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2E5E2127-CF84-4C94-8505-02E7A0E07A4A@earthlink.net>

Well that felt better...I was just able to get all the way into an unfamiliar slip on the furthest side of a tight and unfamiliar marina without even turning the motor on!  I had to do a little sculling with the tiller at the very end. 

> On Jul 19, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
> 
> I purchased most of the components some time ago.
> Salt water , long shaft electric with at least 100 lbs of thrust was about $800
> LiPo batteries 3 x 12 V at 40 amp hrs were $240 each
> 10 amp 12v LiPo charger ~$60
> 
> Solar charging components were ~ $200
> 
> Recycled 2004
> Joe
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Joe
>> What kind of initial cost was involved???? This solution sounds very interesting 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> Charles 
>> s/v Daydream
>> 98 R 22
>> Joe Pool Lake; Dallas, TX
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This has been a good discussion on how to manage a R22 in crowded harbors using a gasoline outboard. A lot of good suggestions 
>>> 
>>> My solution is to use an electric motor.  It gives one much better control at low speeds with the speed / direction controls on the motor handle. Most motors have a handle extension built in. I stand with the tiller in one hand and the motor handle in the other.  I use a bank of light weight  lithium batteries that I either charge at the dock overnight or use a 50w solar charger when at anchor.
>>> 
>>> Advantages:
>>> No noise
>>> No gasoline smell
>>> Can motor sail if necessary
>>> 
>>> Disadvantage :
>>> More limited range
>>> Less power at high speeds
>>> 
>>> Recycled 2004
>>> Joe-the-elder in Connecticut
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What's even more impressive is sailing into your moorings with no motor!
>>>> Make sure you have the sacrificial wife on the fore-deck to fend off...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>>> 
>>>> Richard Beytagh
>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Lance Horne <lastmango68 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary Lou has it. The only thing I can add is that prop walk and spring
>>>>> lines can also help. Find a place away from other boats. Practice, practice
>>>>> circles and figure 8?s forward and reverse at changing speeds; change
>>>>> directions and do the same. Practice stopping upwind, downwind, crosswind,
>>>>> and with various current positions. Your hand will automatically become a
>>>>> part of the motor, throttling up and down, neutral, forward,neutral,
>>>>> reverse. Bef


From jadoucet at snet.net  Fri Jul 22 20:08:07 2016
From: jadoucet at snet.net (Joseph Doucet)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 20:08:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller/motor connection pics?
In-Reply-To: <2E5E2127-CF84-4C94-8505-02E7A0E07A4A@earthlink.net>
References: <32EDBCC9-AB6B-4063-8A2B-88921F6123B8@earthlink.net>
 <auto-000437955957@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
 <B180BD49-0F07-4976-A532-3753FA20ECAC@earthlink.net>
 <9D41E093-A7FE-4DC8-AC97-494C9E00663B@gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9YPrFsb2-WS+tYRPhPiYuK6QdQ57v4Z2WjQxXJQ9cLFnQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <929C8F31-BB22-485B-A1AF-04EFAD801751@snet.net>
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Message-ID: <DD94FC62-0A3E-47F1-8261-F26EF56933FB@snet.net>

Bravo!   The nice thing about being human is that we can figure things out by ourselves and with the help of others.

Down hill Joe


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 7:09 PM, Olivier Hecht <ohecht at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Well that felt better...I was just able to get all the way into an unfamiliar slip on the furthest side of a tight and unfamiliar marina without even turning the motor on!  I had to do a little sculling with the tiller at the very end. 
> 
>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 1:45 PM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I purchased most of the components some time ago.
>> Salt water , long shaft electric with at least 100 lbs of thrust was about $800
>> LiPo batteries 3 x 12 V at 40 amp hrs were $240 each
>> 10 amp 12v LiPo charger ~$60
>> 
>> Solar charging components were ~ $200
>> 
>> Recycled 2004
>> Joe
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Joe
>>> What kind of initial cost was involved???? This solution sounds very interesting 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> Charles 
>>> s/v Daydream
>>> 98 R 22
>>> Joe Pool Lake; Dallas, TX
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 8:40 AM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This has been a good discussion on how to manage a R22 in crowded harbors using a gasoline outboard. A lot of good suggestions 
>>>> 
>>>> My solution is to use an electric motor.  It gives one much better control at low speeds with the speed / direction controls on the motor handle. Most motors have a handle extension built in. I stand with the tiller in one hand and the motor handle in the other.  I use a bank of light weight  lithium batteries that I either charge at the dock overnight or use a 50w solar charger when at anchor.
>>>> 
>>>> Advantages:
>>>> No noise
>>>> No gasoline smell
>>>> Can motor sail if necessary
>>>> 
>>>> Disadvantage :
>>>> More limited range
>>>> Less power at high speeds
>>>> 
>>>> Recycled 2004
>>>> Joe-the-elder in Connecticut
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 19, 2016, at 9:10 AM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> What's even more impressive is sailing into your moorings with no motor!
>>>>> Make sure you have the sacrificial wife on the fore-deck to fend off...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>>>> 
>>>>> Richard Beytagh
>>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 6:27 AM, Lance Horne <lastmango68 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mary Lou has it. The only thing I can add is that prop walk and spring
>>>>>> lines can also help. Find a place away from other boats. Practice, practice
>>>>>> circles and figure 8?s forward and reverse at changing speeds; change
>>>>>> directions and do the same. Practice stopping upwind, downwind, crosswind,
>>>>>> and with various current positions. Your hand will automatically become a
>>>>>> part of the motor, throttling up and down, neutral, forward,neutral,
>>>>>> reverse. Bef
> 
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From jadoucet at snet.net  Fri Jul 22 20:16:47 2016
From: jadoucet at snet.net (Joseph Doucet)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 20:16:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Potential Buyer Seeking Trailer/Transport
	Advice and Ideas
In-Reply-To: <CACNZp-0b=x4HkpXet9osB0-VSeJqTWFbES_s4eAEw28Ru-gU1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACNZp-0b=x4HkpXet9osB0-VSeJqTWFbES_s4eAEw28Ru-gU1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9139DCFA-D3CF-46D0-B712-0250F75985D8@snet.net>

This may be an obvious solution. Find someone near you with a Rhodes trailer.  I believe we have a map of owners.

Borrow it. 
Drive to Ma
Load the boat
Drive back
Return trailer

Unfortunately I live in Ct.
But, Go Soxs

Joe the elder, not to be confused with down hill joe or any other wacko Alta egos


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Chris Bedford <clbedford at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been following Rhodes for awhile, and I have my eye on used boat in
> Massachusetts. The rub is that it doesn't come with a trailer, and I live
> in the midwest, so it needs to be transported quite a ways.
> 
> The very few transport companies that have responded to me (most haven't
> replied to requests or returned messages) have said they don't haul boats
> that small, and no one seems to know where to find a trailer to tow it home
> myself.
> 
> Any advice on transport companies to reach out to? Places to find a trailer
> in MA? Creative ideas--anyone want to haul it to me on their trailer for a
> reasonable fee? Doubtful, I know, but it can't hurt to ask. But seriously,
> I'm very interested it he boat, but I can't find a way to get it from there
> to here.
> 
> Looking forward to your advice.
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________


From clbedford at gmail.com  Fri Jul 22 20:35:23 2016
From: clbedford at gmail.com (Chris Bedford)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 19:35:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Potential Buyer Seeking Trailer/Transport
 Advice and Ideas
In-Reply-To: <9139DCFA-D3CF-46D0-B712-0250F75985D8@snet.net>
References: <CACNZp-0b=x4HkpXet9osB0-VSeJqTWFbES_s4eAEw28Ru-gU1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <9139DCFA-D3CF-46D0-B712-0250F75985D8@snet.net>
Message-ID: <CACNZp-2QHoCA_hhEo3R_g6X5tsrtB0=oHzcACU1dmeFTQ3qB4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Let's give this a try. I'm in Minnesota. Any trailers nearby?

On Jul 22, 2016 7:16 PM, "Joseph Doucet" <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:

> This may be an obvious solution. Find someone near you with a Rhodes
> trailer.  I believe we have a map of owners.
>
> Borrow it.
> Drive to Ma
> Load the boat
> Drive back
> Return trailer
>
> Unfortunately I live in Ct.
> But, Go Soxs
>
> Joe the elder, not to be confused with down hill joe or any other wacko
> Alta egos
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Chris Bedford <clbedford at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've been following Rhodes for awhile, and I have my eye on used boat in
> > Massachusetts. The rub is that it doesn't come with a trailer, and I live
> > in the midwest, so it needs to be transported quite a ways.
> >
> > The very few transport companies that have responded to me (most haven't
> > replied to requests or returned messages) have said they don't haul boats
> > that small, and no one seems to know where to find a trailer to tow it
> home
> > myself.
> >
> > Any advice on transport companies to reach out to? Places to find a
> trailer
> > in MA? Creative ideas--anyone want to haul it to me on their trailer for
> a
> > reasonable fee? Doubtful, I know, but it can't hurt to ask. But
> seriously,
> > I'm very interested it he boat, but I can't find a way to get it from
> there
> > to here.
> >
> > Looking forward to your advice.
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From cjlowE at sssnet.com  Fri Jul 22 23:46:24 2016
From: cjlowE at sssnet.com (cjlowE at sssnet.com)
Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 23:46:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ***POSSIBLE SPAM*** Re: Potential Buyer Seeking
 Trailer/Transport Advice and Ideas
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The previously mentioned Richard,has hauled many a boat for Stan. I would
think he lives near N.C. And could pick up a trailer that you purchased
from Stan,go get your boat and then deliver them both to you.  I'm
guessing that you won't keep your boat in the water over winter,so it
would make sense to have a trailer to store it on.
If your going to trailer sail a lot,it would be wise to buy a new trailer.
If you go the used route, it needs to be in good enough shape to withstand
the 2000 mile test run,without breaking down. Just a thought.

 Jerry the Lowe, not the other Jerry



> Let's give this a try. I'm in Minnesota. Any trailers nearby?
>
> On Jul 22, 2016 7:16 PM, "Joseph Doucet" <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
>
>> This may be an obvious solution. Find someone near you with a Rhodes
>> trailer.  I believe we have a map of owners.
>>
>> Borrow it.
>> Drive to Ma
>> Load the boat
>> Drive back
>> Return trailer
>>
>> Unfortunately I live in Ct.
>> But, Go Soxs
>>
>> Joe the elder, not to be confused with down hill joe or any other wacko
>> Alta egos
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:04 PM, Chris Bedford <clbedford at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I've been following Rhodes for awhile, and I have my eye on used boat
>> in
>> > Massachusetts. The rub is that it doesn't come with a trailer, and I
>> live
>> > in the midwest, so it needs to be transported quite a ways.
>> >
>> > The very few transport companies that have responded to me (most
>> haven't
>> > replied to requests or returned messages) have said they don't haul
>> boats
>> > that small, and no one seems to know where to find a trailer to tow it
>> home
>> > myself.
>> >
>> > Any advice on transport companies to reach out to? Places to find a
>> trailer
>> > in MA? Creative ideas--anyone want to haul it to me on their trailer
>> for
>> a
>> > reasonable fee? Doubtful, I know, but it can't hurt to ask. But
>> seriously,
>> > I'm very interested it he boat, but I can't find a way to get it from
>> there
>> > to here.
>> >
>> > Looking forward to your advice.
>> > __________________________________________________
>> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Jul 23 00:16:51 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 00:16:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Stepping
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at http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
SwampFox
Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:50 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Stepping

I don't know if everyone can see or respond since you haven't joined the
mailing list. I'm pretty new to the list myself.

Please forgive my inadequate attempt to answer your question, as I am far
from an expert on anything. I just don't want you to feel too neglected. 

1) pretty much any marina will have a crane that can be used to lift the
mast. Looks like most the marinas in your area cater more to power boats,
but anyone should let you use the crane for an hour or two with no great
expense. http://ocsunsetmarina.com/boatel-boatyard/ - this place could
probably help you out. 

2) I wouldn't advise using dock line for anything that is going to
load-bearing. 

3) Do you have the CoS? General Boats has a reputation for being very
helpful with these kinds of issues/questions as long as you have the CoS.



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From jjcampjr at yahoo.com  Sat Jul 23 12:04:00 2016
From: jjcampjr at yahoo.com (Joe Camp)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 16:04:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Scott: Motor shifter pics
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Hey Scott:
???? Here are some better photos of the motor shifting rod I made. (attached)
Joe Camp
s/v John Dawson
Bohemia River, MD


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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jul 23 20:45:50 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 20:45:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Scott: Motor shifter pics
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Joe:
Simple AND clever. Nice work.\ on the manual shifter.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp via Rhodes22-list
Sent: July 23, 2016 12:04 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Scott: Motor shifter pics

Hey Scott:
     Here are some better photos of the motor shifting rod I made. (attached) Joe Camp s/v John Dawson Bohemia River, MD


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From bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net  Sun Jul 24 14:27:11 2016
From: bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net (Rhodes22)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 14:27:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Scott: Motor shifter pics
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Joe:  I have to agree - neat creativity!

Bob in Stuart  "NoKaOi 3"

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 23, 2016, at 8:45 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Joe:
> Simple AND clever. Nice work.\ on the manual shifter.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Camp via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: July 23, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Scott: Motor shifter pics
> 
> Hey Scott:
>     Here are some better photos of the motor shifting rod I made. (attached) Joe Camp s/v John Dawson Bohemia River, MD
> 
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From bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net  Sun Jul 24 15:18:37 2016
From: bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net (Rhodes22)
Date: Sun, 24 Jul 2016 15:18:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Texas 200
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Charles:  Sounds like a "blast!"  You'll have to keep us posted on the event as it well may be a great place for "Rhodies" to meet up and sail.

Bob in Stuart, FL 
"NoKaOi 3"

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 20, 2016, at 9:34 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Gary
> Many Thanks
> 
> It's not rocky where I've been sailing, and I've never been close enough to shore to have any issues; but I'm thinking about doing the Texas 200 (texas200.com) and want something to release the rudder if needed in shallow water. That and the thumb screw can be a PITA, this would be much simpler. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Charles 
> s/v Daydream
> 98 R 22
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
> __________________________________________________


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Jul 25 08:29:36 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 08:29:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)
Message-ID: <auto-000024185620@smtp01.cluster1.echolabs.net>

Hi everyone,
This would be a bit off topic except that we put almost everything we 
learned in years of cruising Fretless to use when we brought Tara 
North. We did learn a lot about about how the new boat handles and 
because her systems are a bit more complex than the simplicity we 
enjoyed on the R22, a bit about pumpouts and shorepower systems. 
Because it was blisteringly hot, it was more a marina to marina 
delivery than the cruise we imagined when we first planned it, but 
still we had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves.

I took a lot of our photos and put them on to a public Facebook page. 
You don't need to be a member of Facebook to see the photos.

it's here:   https://www.facebook.com/TaraTRosborough/

If you want to see the entire narrative, start at the bottom and work 
your way up. The narrative is in the captions for the photos.

Mary Lou

Rosborough RF-246  Tara
Rock Hall, MD

ex R22 Fretless


From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Jul 25 09:09:31 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 13:09:31 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)
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Mary Lou,
Very nice!  Thanks for sharing.  Lovely boat.  Look forward to more stories of your travels.  What is the second motor on Tara for?  Looks like a dink motor. - rob



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:30 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)

Hi everyone,
This would be a bit off topic except that we put almost everything we learned in years of cruising Fretless to use when we brought Tara North. We did learn a lot about about how the new boat handles and because her systems are a bit more complex than the simplicity we enjoyed on the R22, a bit about pumpouts and shorepower systems. 
Because it was blisteringly hot, it was more a marina to marina delivery than the cruise we imagined when we first planned it, but still we had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves.

I took a lot of our photos and put them on to a public Facebook page. 
You don't need to be a member of Facebook to see the photos.

it's here:   https://www.facebook.com/TaraTRosborough/

If you want to see the entire narrative, start at the bottom and work your way up. The narrative is in the captions for the photos.

Mary Lou

Rosborough RF-246  Tara
Rock Hall, MD

ex R22 Fretless

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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Jul 25 09:22:40 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 09:22:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)
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Hi Rob,
Too big and heavy for a dink (9.9, 4 stroke) without a davit. Lacking 
sails, it's just a backup get-home to the main 115hp Yamaha. The 
amazing thing is that it will move the boat at about 4 knots in calm 
weather and that you can still steer with the main motor - however, 
it uses the same fuel supply so that if your problem is bad gas...

No dink yet - haven't decided if we need one but we are planning on 
taking our inflatable kayaks strapped to the roof.

Mary Lou



At 09:09 AM 7/25/2016, you wrote:
>Mary Lou,
>Very nice!  Thanks for sharing.  Lovely boat.  Look forward to more 
>stories of your travels.  What is the second motor on Tara 
>for?  Looks like a dink motor. - rob
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:30 AM
>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)
>
>Hi everyone,
>This would be a bit off topic except that we put almost everything 
>we learned in years of cruising Fretless to use when we brought Tara 
>North. We did learn a lot about about how the new boat handles and 
>because her systems are a bit more complex than the simplicity we 
>enjoyed on the R22, a bit about pumpouts and shorepower systems.
>Because it was blisteringly hot, it was more a marina to marina 
>delivery than the cruise we imagined when we first planned it, but 
>still we had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves.
>
>I took a lot of our photos and put them on to a public Facebook page.
>You don't need to be a member of Facebook to see the photos.
>
>it's here:   https://www.facebook.com/TaraTRosborough/
>
>If you want to see the entire narrative, start at the bottom and 
>work your way up. The narrative is in the captions for the photos.
>
>Mary Lou
>
>Rosborough RF-246  Tara
>Rock Hall, MD
>
>ex R22 Fretless
>
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Mon Jul 25 10:50:27 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:50:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)
In-Reply-To: <auto-000024185620@smtp01.cluster1.echolabs.net>
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Welcome home...looks like a great trip despite the heat!

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> This would be a bit off topic except that we put almost everything we learned in years of cruising Fretless to use when we brought Tara North. We did learn a lot about about how the new boat handles and because her systems are a bit more complex than the simplicity we enjoyed on the R22, a bit about pumpouts and shorepower systems. Because it was blisteringly hot, it was more a marina to marina delivery than the cruise we imagined when we first planned it, but still we had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves.
> 
> I took a lot of our photos and put them on to a public Facebook page. You don't need to be a member of Facebook to see the photos.
> 
> it's here:   https://www.facebook.com/TaraTRosborough/
> 
> If you want to see the entire narrative, start at the bottom and work your way up. The narrative is in the captions for the photos.
> 
> Mary Lou
> 
> Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
> ex R22 Fretless
> 
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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 15:43:30 2016
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:43:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)
In-Reply-To: <auto-000024185620@smtp01.cluster1.echolabs.net>
References: <auto-000024185620@smtp01.cluster1.echolabs.net>
Message-ID: <38FBDC9B-F861-4F62-927B-4F696C83F093@gmail.com>

Thats a gorgeous boat!  I have always like that style!  Hope you have many many adventures in comfort aboard!

Bob(palatka)

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> This would be a bit off topic except that we put almost everything we learned in years of cruising Fretless to use when we brought Tara North. We did learn a lot about about how the new boat handles and because her systems are a bit more complex than the simplicity we enjoyed on the R22, a bit about pumpouts and shorepower systems. Because it was blisteringly hot, it was more a marina to marina delivery than the cruise we imagined when we first planned it, but still we had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves.
> 
> I took a lot of our photos and put them on to a public Facebook page. You don't need to be a member of Facebook to see the photos.
> 
> it's here:   https://www.facebook.com/TaraTRosborough/
> 
> If you want to see the entire narrative, start at the bottom and work your way up. The narrative is in the captions for the photos.
> 
> Mary Lou
> 
> Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
> ex R22 Fretless
> 
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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Mon Jul 25 15:46:10 2016
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:46:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)
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I usually see those 9.9 outboards on down east trawlers like that for fishing.  Just the right speed for downriggers.
Also of course a back up get home motor. (Iron jib)

Bob (palatka)

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 9:22 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob,
> Too big and heavy for a dink (9.9, 4 stroke) without a davit. Lacking sails, it's just a backup get-home to the main 115hp Yamaha. The amazing thing is that it will move the boat at about 4 knots in calm weather and that you can still steer with the main motor - however, it uses the same fuel supply so that if your problem is bad gas...
> 
> No dink yet - haven't decided if we need one but we are planning on taking our inflatable kayaks strapped to the roof.
> 
> Mary Lou
> 
> 
> 
> At 09:09 AM 7/25/2016, you wrote:
>> Mary Lou,
>> Very nice!  Thanks for sharing.  Lovely boat.  Look forward to more stories of your travels.  What is the second motor on Tara for?  Looks like a dink motor. - rob
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
>> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:30 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> This would be a bit off topic except that we put almost everything we learned in years of cruising Fretless to use when we brought Tara North. We did learn a lot about about how the new boat handles and because her systems are a bit more complex than the simplicity we enjoyed on the R22, a bit about pumpouts and shorepower systems.
>> Because it was blisteringly hot, it was more a marina to marina delivery than the cruise we imagined when we first planned it, but still we had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves.
>> 
>> I took a lot of our photos and put them on to a public Facebook page.
>> You don't need to be a member of Facebook to see the photos.
>> 
>> it's here:   https://www.facebook.com/TaraTRosborough/
>> 
>> If you want to see the entire narrative, start at the bottom and work your way up. The narrative is in the captions for the photos.
>> 
>> Mary Lou
>> 
>> Rosborough RF-246  Tara
>> Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> ex R22 Fretless
>> 
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Jul 28 20:06:49 2016
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 20:06:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)
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Hey Mary Lou,
We're some of the pictures of your beautiful boat taken at Watergate Village Apartments on Back Creek?  That is where we lived and had our first Rhodes back in 1976.  I know what you are going through in the transition from a Rhodes and a bigger boat.  We are doing the same thing. 

Chris & Alice Geankoplis
Enosis I & Enosis II
(still keeping the Rhodes)

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> This would be a bit off topic except that we put almost everything we learned in years of cruising Fretless to use when we brought Tara North. We did learn a lot about about how the new boat handles and because her systems are a bit more complex than the simplicity we enjoyed on the R22, a bit about pumpouts and shorepower systems. Because it was blisteringly hot, it was more a marina to marina delivery than the cruise we imagined when we first planned it, but still we had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves.
> 
> I took a lot of our photos and put them on to a public Facebook page. You don't need to be a member of Facebook to see the photos.
> 
> it's here:   https://www.facebook.com/TaraTRosborough/
> 
> If you want to see the entire narrative, start at the bottom and work your way up. The narrative is in the captions for the photos.
> 
> Mary Lou
> 
> Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
> ex R22 Fretless
> 
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Thu Jul 28 20:26:34 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2016 20:26:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] our trip North in Tara (the new powerboat)
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HI Chris,
Yes the Annapolis photos were taken from Port Annapolis Marina  on 
Back Creek so that is Watergate Village in the background.

The biggest transition so far has been that when the weather is 
perfect, we can't go sailing and that when the weather is not good 
for sailing, we can still get out on the water so we are thinking 
about weather differently. The nice thing about the Rosborough is 
that it's really not that much bigger. It's a little longer, wider 
and heavier but not so much that it feels radically different. 
Nonetheless it is a change and we are enjoying the new boat though 
we'll be glad when this heat wave breaks and we get out more.

Mary Lou


At 08:06 PM 7/28/2016, you wrote:
>Hey Mary Lou,
>We're some of the pictures of your beautiful boat taken at Watergate 
>Village Apartments on Back Creek?  That is where we lived and had 
>our first Rhodes back in 1976.  I know what you are going through in 
>the transition from a Rhodes and a bigger boat.  We are doing the same thing.
>
>Chris & Alice Geankoplis
>Enosis I & Enosis II
>(still keeping the Rhodes)
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jul 25, 2016, at 8:29 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> > This would be a bit off topic except that we put almost 
> everything we learned in years of cruising Fretless to use when we 
> brought Tara North. We did learn a lot about about how the new boat 
> handles and because her systems are a bit more complex than the 
> simplicity we enjoyed on the R22, a bit about pumpouts and 
> shorepower systems. Because it was blisteringly hot, it was more a 
> marina to marina delivery than the cruise we imagined when we first 
> planned it, but still we had a great time and thoroughly enjoyed ourselves.
> >
> > I took a lot of our photos and put them on to a public Facebook 
> page. You don't need to be a member of Facebook to see the photos.
> >
> > it's here:   https://www.facebook.com/TaraTRosborough/
> >
> > If you want to see the entire narrative, start at the bottom and 
> work your way up. The narrative is in the captions for the photos.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> > Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> > Rock Hall, MD
> >
> > ex R22 Fretless
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
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