[Rhodes22-list] Anchoring

Sun Jul 3 22:25:15 EDT 2016

There are already some good suggestions posted, but I'll throw my
solution in as well.  Mishka always had the primary Fortress anchor in
the bow holder, with chain and rode attached to the bow cleat, ready to
be quickly deployed.  However, when we suspected more trying conditions,
I would rig the back up Danforth (lunch hook size) before hand in case
it was needed.  It rested in a 5 gallon plastic bucket under the cockpit
seat with 6 feet of vinyl covered chain and a generous rode suitable for
our Florida waters  This rode was also secured to the bow cleat, on top
of the Fortress rode.  On several occasions I deployed the backup from
the cockpit over the side and the boat drifted backward, with the wind
setting the anchor.  This allowed me time to properly deal with setting
the Fortress.  I found this to be an easy and safe way in dealing with
the wind and/or tide challenges.

Al
Misha 2001 

On Sun, 2016-07-03 at 14:52 -0400, Rick wrote:
> Heaving an anchor over the cockpit gunwale in rough conditions would be a
> one handed, gelcoat gouging stunt.  And what about the chain?  Does it go
> over first to tear out the rub rail, or does it follow the anchor tearing
> through your palm?  When the anchor grabs and the boat swings down wind,
> how do you ever hull down or furl the pulling mainsail?
> 
> Heaving to, then making your way to the bow pulpit by holding on with both
> hands is much safer.  Sitting securely in the pulpit, it is only a 2 inch
> lift of the anchor off the bracket with both hands and a straight down
> drop.  The chain is already hanging down clear of the hull.  When the
> anchor grabs, both sails luff for easy furling or hull down.
> 
> Where I sail, lots of boats anchor out for fishing.  I have never seen
> anyone, in calm or rough conditions, deploy their anchor from anywhere
> other than the bow.  And I know when the Coast Guard ties up to you for
> inspection, if you can't demonstrate safe anchoring technique, you get
> towed.
> 
> When I bought my boat, it came with a "lunch hook" in a cockpit bin.  I
> know the Devil put it there to tempt me, but I have yet to fall.  In the
> most sanguine of situations, I have always practiced correct technique so I
> can do it automatically when I most need to.
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> > There was a lengthy discussion of this years ago. Rik Sandberg offered a
> > unique solution and copied a lot of the responses. It's on the owners' site
> > here: http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/anchorcp.html
> >
> > We always sailed double handed so our solutions were different and usually
> > involved me going to the bow. In all our years of sailing Fretless, we
> > rarely if ever encountered a situation where it wasn't safe for me to go to
> > the bow. Because we kept the anchor in the lazarette, if we were in a
> > situation where it could become dicey, we always checked that it was free
> > of encumbrances so we could get to it quickly and for really dicey
> > situations, we would have it in the cockpit ready to go. From there we
> > could have it deployed in 30 seconds from the bow. Maybe not enough in
> > Rick's scenario but enough in every situation we encountered (very few
> > rocks or even rock jetties on the Chesapeake.)
> >
> > Best,
> > Mary Lou
> > formerly R22 Fretless
> > now Rosborough rf246  Tara
> > (in Oriental, NC, soon to be Rock Hall, MD)
> >
> >
> > At 10:03 AM 7/3/2016, you wrote:
> >
> >> Graham, thanks for the excellent elaboration.  Sounds just right for a
> >> nice day.  And Rick, I totally agree that if you are anchoring in rough
> >> conditions, you need the bow into the wind from the get-go, assuming you
> >> have an able crew member to man the helm or deploy the anchor.  Hopefully
> >> that is a rare circumstance for all of us, but "Be Prepared" was the motto
> >> in scouts and still today,  It reminds me that I should spend some time
> >> this summer practicing anchoring… Dave B > On Jul 2, 2016, at 8:24 PM,
> >> Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote: > > I always like to drop
> >> the anchor from the cockpit. If it is a day with light > wind I leave the
> >> stern to the wind to get the breeze - but not overnight. If > I am staying
> >> overnight or if the wind is stronger I take the line to the > stern and tie
> >> it off and feed the remaining line to the bow and tie it off > there as
> >> well. Once the anchor is set I release the line from the stern and > let
> >> the wind bring me about. It is a one person job to set the anchor when > it
> >> is deployed off the stern and there are no concerns about fouling the >
> >> line in the prop. Even when sailing with my wife she is often busy and this
> >> > arrangement allows me to manage easily on my own. On those rare emergency
> >> > situations do as Ric suggests. In a strong wind it is astonishing how
> >> much > force can build on the anchor line and you will not be able to hold
> >> it. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > >
> >> > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:
> >> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > trimsails . > Sent:
> >> July 2, 2016 1:12 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re:
> >> [Rhodes22-list] Anchoring > > Thanks Dave and Rick, > > I think you both
> >> have valid points.  How about a compromise?  I have been > thinking about
> >> this since I sail solo often.  What about storing the anchor > as Dave
> >> describes, but run the rode up through the anchor roller (I'm > assuming)
> >> with the bitter end run back to the cockpit.  The anchor could be >
> >> deployed from the cockpit and secured after an appropriate length of rode >
> >> has been deployed for the conditions.  On the minus side there would be 2 >
> >> additional lines  (actually 1 looped) on deck.  And this arrangement would
> >> > not work well with the lazarette with a modification therefore the anchor
> >> > and rode would need to be stowed under a seat and lines would be an
> >> issue. > On the plus side is the ability to safely deploy the anchor from
> >> the > cockpit.  Comments? > > Thanks, > > Jerry (who just returned from a
> >> morning solo sail) > > On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 11:08 AM, Rick <
> >> sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Dave, >> >> That may work fine on
> >> a calm day in a sheltered harbor.  But when the >> wind and waves are up
> >> and you need to keep yourself off the rocks, >> "walking" the bitter end of
> >> your anchor line could easily pull you > overboard. >> >> For safety's
> >> sake, always launch your anchor from the bow with the >> bitter end already
> >> tied off.  The R22 has a very nice arrangement >> designed with a
> >> comfortable bow pulpit.  Practicing every anchor drop >> the safe way will
> >> assure you of doing it right when under challenge. >> >> Rick >> >> On Sat,
> >> Jul 2, 2016 at 7:00 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>
> >> Hi Jerry. Regarding your anchoring question...  I keep a Fortress >>>
> >> anchor on its rode in a plastic crate in the laz as our primary >>> anchor
> >> and drop from the stern then walk it to the bow. It's faster >>> and easier
> >> and safer >> I >>> think than dropping from the bow and no need to store
> >> damp rode in >>> the cabin.  I keep a Nicro solar powered vent in the
> >> forward deck >>> port which keeps humidity from building up in the vee
> >> berth. >>> >>> I seem to recall some back and forth on this which you can
> >> search if >>> interested.  I believe this was the Effros method. >>> >>>
> >> For those interested, Bill Effros has a new (in 2012)  R22, is still >>>
> >> out and about in LIS, and still taking on the man.  (I'm glad to >>> have
> >> him >> for a >>> friend.) >>> >>> Dave B >>> s/v Sea Cloud >>> Greenwich
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