From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sun Jun  5 19:48:58 2016
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:48:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
Message-ID: <1465170538557-52048.post@n5.nabble.com>

I have been frustrated with not being able to sail any better than about
110-120 degrees on a close haul.  I made several adjustments recently and am
happy to report being able to tack in the nineties.  First changed from a
180 to a 130 head sail, then lost five pounds, added a five gallon jug of
water ballast forward of the v berth and tightened the aft stays.  I think
Phillip Rhodes did not  take into account the extra motor and gas can weight
most of us add to the aft end of our boats and I think the added water
balast helps balance the boat.  I was able to test this at low tide on the
potomac River having sailed down wind toward the national mall and needing
to make my way back up wind toward Alexandria va in a very narrow deep water
area to re enter the channel back to my marina at the national sailing
marina  this past Saturday.  Next trick is to replace my wooden tiller with
that nice new shinny fiberglass one to make the boat go faster.  If that
doesn't work I will resort to more rum in memory of our great rummy.



-----
Christopher P. Cowie      

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  5 19:59:36 2016
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 23:59:36 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
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That rum part sounds like true architectural reasoning......

Sent from my iPhone

fellow architect Charles 

s/v Daydream
98 R 22

> On Jun 5, 2016, at 6:49 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> I have been frustrated with not being able to sail any better than about
> 110-120 degrees on a close haul.  I made several adjustments recently and am
> happy to report being able to tack in the nineties.  First changed from a
> 180 to a 130 head sail, then lost five pounds, added a five gallon jug of
> water ballast forward of the v berth and tightened the aft stays.  I think
> Phillip Rhodes did not  take into account the extra motor and gas can weight
> most of us add to the aft end of our boats and I think the added water
> balast helps balance the boat.  I was able to test this at low tide on the
> potomac River having sailed down wind toward the national mall and needing
> to make my way back up wind toward Alexandria va in a very narrow deep water
> area to re enter the channel back to my marina at the national sailing
> marina  this past Saturday.  Next trick is to replace my wooden tiller with
> that nice new shinny fiberglass one to make the boat go faster.  If that
> doesn't work I will resort to more rum in memory of our great rummy.
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie      
> 
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> 
> 
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Sun Jun  5 20:59:21 2016
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 00:59:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Boat Show
Message-ID: <SN1PR18MB0382CF13480E0EA0045B2AB7D95C0@SN1PR18MB0382.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>


The Admiral wants to go the the Annapolis Boat Show. She isn't wanting a new boat, the current R22 suits her just fine. She just wants to drive from Texas to Annapolis and look at boats. A little research tells us there is a show in Annapolis in October and April. So the questions are;
Which one is THE show?
Which one does Stan show boats at?
I'm certain there are lots of other questions but I'm not certain what they are yet...

Any advise would be great help

Charles
s/v Daydream
98 R 22

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 21:00:54 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:00:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Boat Show
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October
On Jun 5, 2016 8:59 PM, "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> The Admiral wants to go the the Annapolis Boat Show. She isn't wanting a
> new boat, the current R22 suits her just fine. She just wants to drive from
> Texas to Annapolis and look at boats. A little research tells us there is a
> show in Annapolis in October and April. So the questions are;
> Which one is THE show?
> Which one does Stan show boats at?
> I'm certain there are lots of other questions but I'm not certain what
> they are yet...
>
> Any advise would be great help
>
> Charles
> s/v Daydream
> 98 R 22
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From cjlowE at sssnet.com  Sun Jun  5 21:31:50 2016
From: cjlowE at sssnet.com (cjlowE at sssnet.com)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:31:50 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
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Did you thread the jib sheets between the inner and outer stays? Best way
I've found to shave degrees off of tack angles.

Jerry alone
S/V Country Rhodes



ave been frustrated with not being able to sail any better than about
> 110-120 degrees on a close haul.  I made several adjustments recently and
> am
> happy to report being able to tack in the nineties.  First changed from a
> 180 to a 130 head sail, then lost five pounds, added a five gallon jug of
> water ballast forward of the v berth and tightened the aft stays.  I think
> Phillip Rhodes did not  take into account the extra motor and gas can
> weight
> most of us add to the aft end of our boats and I think the added water
> balast helps balance the boat.  I was able to test this at low tide on the
> potomac River having sailed down wind toward the national mall and needing
> to make my way back up wind toward Alexandria va in a very narrow deep
> water
> area to re enter the channel back to my marina at the national sailing
> marina  this past Saturday.  Next trick is to replace my wooden tiller
> with
> that nice new shinny fiberglass one to make the boat go faster.  If that
> doesn't work I will resort to more rum in memory of our great rummy.
>
>
>
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ??? 202.342.2691 fax ??? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
>
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sun Jun  5 21:33:53 2016
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Christopher Cowie)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 01:33:53 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Boat Show
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October is the show

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On Jun 5, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com<mailto:hnw555 at gmail.com>> wrote:

October
On Jun 5, 2016 8:59 PM, "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com<mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:


The Admiral wants to go the the Annapolis Boat Show. She isn't wanting a
new boat, the current R22 suits her just fine. She just wants to drive from
Texas to Annapolis and look at boats. A little research tells us there is a
show in Annapolis in October and April. So the questions are;
Which one is THE show?
Which one does Stan show boats at?
I'm certain there are lots of other questions but I'm not certain what
they are yet...

Any advise would be great help

Charles
s/v Daydream
98 R 22
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sun Jun  5 21:35:39 2016
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Christopher Cowie)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 01:35:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
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No .  With the 180 that killed my speed by at lease 2 knots. Will have to try it with the 130.

Sent from my iPad

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On Jun 5, 2016, at 9:31 PM, "cjlowE at sssnet.com<mailto:cjlowE at sssnet.com>" <cjlowE at sssnet.com<mailto:cjlowE at sssnet.com>> wrote:

Did you thread the jib sheets between the inner and outer stays? Best way
I've found to shave degrees off of tack angles.

Jerry alone
S/V Country Rhodes



ave been frustrated with not being able to sail any better than about
110-120 degrees on a close haul.  I made several adjustments recently and
am
happy to report being able to tack in the nineties.  First changed from a
180 to a 130 head sail, then lost five pounds, added a five gallon jug of
water ballast forward of the v berth and tightened the aft stays.  I think
Phillip Rhodes did not  take into account the extra motor and gas can
weight
most of us add to the aft end of our boats and I think the added water
balast helps balance the boat.  I was able to test this at low tide on the
potomac River having sailed down wind toward the national mall and needing
to make my way back up wind toward Alexandria va in a very narrow deep
water
area to re enter the channel back to my marina at the national sailing
marina  this past Saturday.  Next trick is to replace my wooden tiller
with
that nice new shinny fiberglass one to make the boat go faster.  If that
doesn't work I will resort to more rum in memory of our great rummy.



-----
Christopher P. Cowie

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711 ex.204 ?-? 202.342.2691 fax ?-? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]



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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun Jun  5 23:14:47 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:14:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Boat Show
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The Annapolis Sailboat Show is in October. The Annapolis Powerboat 
Show is the week after. Stan is, of course, at the Sailboat Show 
where he is, I believe the only boat manufacturer who has exhibited 
at every show since its founding in 1970.

It is great fun. Make your hotel reservations early (the ones closest 
to Annapolis fill up) and enjoy Annapolis which is a great boating 
town. If you've got a little extra time go across the Bay Bridge and 
check out the Eastern Shore which is another world.

Mary Lou


At 08:59 PM 6/5/2016, you wrote:

>The Admiral wants to go the the Annapolis Boat Show. She isn't 
>wanting a new boat, the current R22 suits her just fine. She just 
>wants to drive from Texas to Annapolis and look at boats. A little 
>research tells us there is a show in Annapolis in October and April. 
>So the questions are;
>Which one is THE show?
>Which one does Stan show boats at?
>I'm certain there are lots of other questions but I'm not certain 
>what they are yet...
>
>Any advise would be great help
>
>Charles
>s/v Daydream
>98 R 22
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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Sun Jun  5 23:15:47 2016
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 23:15:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
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Chris, I too changed to the 130 jib. I found,from the list, to set the
center board at about 3/4 of full down also helps. I have an 86 with the
standard old
centerboard. I moved one battery from the lazerth (? sp.)to the location of
the cabin battery next to the 15 gallon water tank,  forward of the head
under the V berth. I now have 2 batteries, and 15 gallons of water forward
of the mast. This should be about 220 lbs, then I stored 25 ft. of chain
and 300 ft. of rode in an anchor bag forward in the V berth. I estimate
this is another 50 lbs. forward of the mast.
I have a 6 gallon gas tank so I estimate that I need an additional 25 lbs.
forward to compensate for the extra 3 gallons. I gave up on the Windex and
now use tell tails for sails attached to the shrouds as my wind indicators.
This is truly my guesstimate, but it seem that I can sail 35-40 degrees to
the wind. I normally sail solo so less weight may be part of my gain.  If
the wind is above 5 to 7 knots, I just use about 100 sq ft of the 130
available on the jib.
I also make sure the shrouds are firm all a round. An old sailor and former
owner of a sail boat franchise once told me most people TRY to sail with
TOO much sail. I try to keep that in mind. Sailing, like life seems to be a
continuous learning experience.

I also miss "Rummy" and his perspective on current issues of the day.

Cary Tolbert
s/v Whisper '86
Radford, Va


On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Christopher Cowie <
ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:

> No .  With the 180 that killed my speed by at lease 2 knots. Will have to
> try it with the 130.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>  [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW<x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>
> Suite 300<x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>
> Washington, DC 20007<x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>
> 202.342.2711<tel:202.342.2711> ex.204 ? 202.342.2691<tel:202.342.2691> fax
> ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
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>
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> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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> On Jun 5, 2016, at 9:31 PM, "cjlowE at sssnet.com<mailto:cjlowE at sssnet.com>"
> <cjlowE at sssnet.com<mailto:cjlowE at sssnet.com>> wrote:
>
> Did you thread the jib sheets between the inner and outer stays? Best way
> I've found to shave degrees off of tack angles.
>
> Jerry alone
> S/V Country Rhodes
>
>
>
> ave been frustrated with not being able to sail any better than about
> 110-120 degrees on a close haul.  I made several adjustments recently and
> am
> happy to report being able to tack in the nineties.  First changed from a
> 180 to a 130 head sail, then lost five pounds, added a five gallon jug of
> water ballast forward of the v berth and tightened the aft stays.  I think
> Phillip Rhodes did not  take into account the extra motor and gas can
> weight
> most of us add to the aft end of our boats and I think the added water
> balast helps balance the boat.  I was able to test this at low tide on the
> potomac River having sailed down wind toward the national mall and needing
> to make my way back up wind toward Alexandria va in a very narrow deep
> water
> area to re enter the channel back to my marina at the national sailing
> marina  this past Saturday.  Next trick is to replace my wooden tiller
> with
> that nice new shinny fiberglass one to make the boat go faster.  If that
> doesn't work I will resort to more rum in memory of our great rummy.
>
>
>
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ?-? 202.342.2691 fax ?-? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
>
>
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> View this message in context:
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 10:31:53 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 10:31:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
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Cary,

Do you have an IMF mast with that centerboard?

Rick

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 11:15 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, I too changed to the 130 jib. I found,from the list, to set the
> center board at about 3/4 of full down also helps. I have an 86 with the
> standard old
> centerboard. I moved one battery from the lazerth (? sp.)to the location of
> the cabin battery next to the 15 gallon water tank,  forward of the head
> under the V berth. I now have 2 batteries, and 15 gallons of water forward
> of the mast. This should be about 220 lbs, then I stored 25 ft. of chain
> and 300 ft. of rode in an anchor bag forward in the V berth. I estimate
> this is another 50 lbs. forward of the mast.
> I have a 6 gallon gas tank so I estimate that I need an additional 25 lbs.
> forward to compensate for the extra 3 gallons. I gave up on the Windex and
> now use tell tails for sails attached to the shrouds as my wind indicators.
> This is truly my guesstimate, but it seem that I can sail 35-40 degrees to
> the wind. I normally sail solo so less weight may be part of my gain.  If
> the wind is above 5 to 7 knots, I just use about 100 sq ft of the 130
> available on the jib.
> I also make sure the shrouds are firm all a round. An old sailor and former
> owner of a sail boat franchise once told me most people TRY to sail with
> TOO much sail. I try to keep that in mind. Sailing, like life seems to be a
> continuous learning experience.
>
> I also miss "Rummy" and his perspective on current issues of the day.
>
> Cary Tolbert
> s/v Whisper '86
> Radford, Va
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Christopher Cowie <
> ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
>
> > No .  With the 180 that killed my speed by at lease 2 knots. Will have to
> > try it with the 130.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >  [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW<x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>
> > Suite 300<x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>
> > Washington, DC 20007<x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>
> > 202.342.2711<tel:202.342.2711> ex.204 ? 202.342.2691<tel:202.342.2691>
> fax
> > ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >
> > [cid:image005.png at 01CE8701.15794830]
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >
> > On Jun 5, 2016, at 9:31 PM, "cjlowE at sssnet.com<mailto:cjlowE at sssnet.com
> >"
> > <cjlowE at sssnet.com<mailto:cjlowE at sssnet.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Did you thread the jib sheets between the inner and outer stays? Best way
> > I've found to shave degrees off of tack angles.
> >
> > Jerry alone
> > S/V Country Rhodes
> >
> >
> >
> > ave been frustrated with not being able to sail any better than about
> > 110-120 degrees on a close haul.  I made several adjustments recently and
> > am
> > happy to report being able to tack in the nineties.  First changed from a
> > 180 to a 130 head sail, then lost five pounds, added a five gallon jug of
> > water ballast forward of the v berth and tightened the aft stays.  I
> think
> > Phillip Rhodes did not  take into account the extra motor and gas can
> > weight
> > most of us add to the aft end of our boats and I think the added water
> > balast helps balance the boat.  I was able to test this at low tide on
> the
> > potomac River having sailed down wind toward the national mall and
> needing
> > to make my way back up wind toward Alexandria va in a very narrow deep
> > water
> > area to re enter the channel back to my marina at the national sailing
> > marina  this past Saturday.  Next trick is to replace my wooden tiller
> > with
> > that nice new shinny fiberglass one to make the boat go faster.  If that
> > doesn't work I will resort to more rum in memory of our great rummy.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC 20007
> > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ?-? 202.342.2691 fax ?-? 202.270.1470 mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Sailing-right-angles-tp52048.html
> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com<
> > http://nabble.com>.
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 11:05:03 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:05:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
In-Reply-To: <1465170538557-52048.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1465170538557-52048.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9ZNSREjA-oDmbdALEE2agnrYOaah4Fz1kwS6WuewmYtpA@mail.gmail.com>

Firstly, it should be 5 gallon jug of Rum that you use as ballast.
Secondly, did you move the sheeting points forward? With my 130% the cars
are right at the forward end of the traveller.

Cheers



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
wrote:

> I have been frustrated with not being able to sail any better than about
> 110-120 degrees on a close haul.  I made several adjustments recently and
> am
> happy to report being able to tack in the nineties.  First changed from a
> 180 to a 130 head sail, then lost five pounds, added a five gallon jug of
> water ballast forward of the v berth and tightened the aft stays.  I think
> Phillip Rhodes did not  take into account the extra motor and gas can
> weight
> most of us add to the aft end of our boats and I think the added water
> balast helps balance the boat.  I was able to test this at low tide on the
> potomac River having sailed down wind toward the national mall and needing
> to make my way back up wind toward Alexandria va in a very narrow deep
> water
> area to re enter the channel back to my marina at the national sailing
> marina  this past Saturday.  Next trick is to replace my wooden tiller with
> that nice new shinny fiberglass one to make the boat go faster.  If that
> doesn't work I will resort to more rum in memory of our great rummy.
>
>
>
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Sailing-right-angles-tp52048.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> __________________________________________________
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From sprocket80 at mail.com  Mon Jun  6 11:28:52 2016
From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 17:28:52 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
Message-ID: <trinity-6119ec7b-b56d-436b-ae77-4db846f9a8e2-1465226932401@msvc-mesg-gmxus006>


From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 11:39:34 2016
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:39:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9ZNSREjA-oDmbdALEE2agnrYOaah4Fz1kwS6WuewmYtpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1465170538557-52048.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CALbDJ9ZNSREjA-oDmbdALEE2agnrYOaah4Fz1kwS6WuewmYtpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRp5FYt6MUAAUhP_OmvGj2tkXZdYWQCC7c++5N417GNSHw@mail.gmail.com>

Rick, I do have an IMF Mast and sail.
Richard, when I installed the 130 I did move the the sheeting points as far
forward on the track as they would go. It just seemed the correct thing to
do, though I had no known reason for doing this. I will always take luck
when she shows up, with a smile and without question.
Cary
s/v Whisper

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Firstly, it should be 5 gallon jug of Rum that you use as ballast.
> Secondly, did you move the sheeting points forward? With my 130% the cars
> are right at the forward end of the traveller.
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
> On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I have been frustrated with not being able to sail any better than about
> > 110-120 degrees on a close haul.  I made several adjustments recently and
> > am
> > happy to report being able to tack in the nineties.  First changed from a
> > 180 to a 130 head sail, then lost five pounds, added a five gallon jug of
> > water ballast forward of the v berth and tightened the aft stays.  I
> think
> > Phillip Rhodes did not  take into account the extra motor and gas can
> > weight
> > most of us add to the aft end of our boats and I think the added water
> > balast helps balance the boat.  I was able to test this at low tide on
> the
> > potomac River having sailed down wind toward the national mall and
> needing
> > to make my way back up wind toward Alexandria va in a very narrow deep
> > water
> > area to re enter the channel back to my marina at the national sailing
> > marina  this past Saturday.  Next trick is to replace my wooden tiller
> with
> > that nice new shinny fiberglass one to make the boat go faster.  If that
> > doesn't work I will resort to more rum in memory of our great rummy.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > Suite 300
> > Washington, DC 20007
> > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Sailing-right-angles-tp52048.html
> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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> >
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Jun  6 13:55:34 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 13:55:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRp5FYt6MUAAUhP_OmvGj2tkXZdYWQCC7c++5N417GNSHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1465170538557-52048.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CALbDJ9ZNSREjA-oDmbdALEE2agnrYOaah4Fz1kwS6WuewmYtpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRp5FYt6MUAAUhP_OmvGj2tkXZdYWQCC7c++5N417GNSHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36YV0VD_=DJsKwiMxp3AANO9KOsNNFiYr_6gwsAP0y7bDg@mail.gmail.com>

Cary, your answer clearly points to the main sail, not the foresail, as the
main problem of pointing with an IMF rig.

Phil Rhodes designed the boat to carry a standard mast and main with the
center of force directly over a vertical centerboard.  This allowed
pointing at 40 deg, or even less, off the wind.

When Stan put on the IMF mast, that pulled the sail plan center of force
aft, requiring the centerboard to be set aft as well.  The smaller size and
sloppier shape of the furling main are probably the main factors.

Introducing the diamond board set things right again with an IMF, at least
as far as balance resulting in a neutral helm.  If you look at a diamond
board all the way down, it looks like a centerboard 3/4 of the way down.
But still, the center of force remains too far aft for the hull design to
point very high.  Tilting the mast forward by putting weight forward and
shortening the forestay helps some, but the foresail itself has little to
do with it.

Single handed, I can point at 45 deg in rare ideal conditions (a steady
10-12kt wind and no waves) with the pop top down and sitting forward in the
cockpit using a 170 genny.  In this perfect situation, I tack with the
autohelm through 100 deg and when the boat regains speed, come back up 10
deg.

The only advantage I can see with the 130 genny is better sail shape at
higher wind speeds.  For my money, the 170 works best in most of the
situations I am comfortable sailing these days.

Rick

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:39 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Rick, I do have an IMF Mast and sail.
> Richard, when I installed the 130 I did move the the sheeting points as far
> forward on the track as they would go. It just seemed the correct thing to
> do, though I had no known reason for doing this. I will always take luck
> when she shows up, with a smile and without question.
> Cary
> s/v Whisper
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Firstly, it should be 5 gallon jug of Rum that you use as ballast.
> > Secondly, did you move the sheeting points forward? With my 130% the cars
> > are right at the forward end of the traveller.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >
> > Richard Beytagh
> > Phone: 828 337 0180
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 5, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have been frustrated with not being able to sail any better than
> about
> > > 110-120 degrees on a close haul.  I made several adjustments recently
> and
> > > am
> > > happy to report being able to tack in the nineties.  First changed
> from a
> > > 180 to a 130 head sail, then lost five pounds, added a five gallon jug
> of
> > > water ballast forward of the v berth and tightened the aft stays.  I
> > think
> > > Phillip Rhodes did not  take into account the extra motor and gas can
> > > weight
> > > most of us add to the aft end of our boats and I think the added water
> > > balast helps balance the boat.  I was able to test this at low tide on
> > the
> > > potomac River having sailed down wind toward the national mall and
> > needing
> > > to make my way back up wind toward Alexandria va in a very narrow deep
> > > water
> > > area to re enter the channel back to my marina at the national sailing
> > > marina  this past Saturday.  Next trick is to replace my wooden tiller
> > with
> > > that nice new shinny fiberglass one to make the boat go faster.  If
> that
> > > doesn't work I will resort to more rum in memory of our great rummy.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Christopher P. Cowie
> > >
> > > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> > > Suite 300
> > > Washington, DC 20007
> > > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > View this message in context:
> > >
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Sailing-right-angles-tp52048.html
> > > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > > __________________________________________________
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From ruckc at yahoo.com  Mon Jun  6 18:54:45 2016
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 22:54:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YV0VD_=DJsKwiMxp3AANO9KOsNNFiYr_6gwsAP0y7bDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1465170538557-52048.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CALbDJ9ZNSREjA-oDmbdALEE2agnrYOaah4Fz1kwS6WuewmYtpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRp5FYt6MUAAUhP_OmvGj2tkXZdYWQCC7c++5N417GNSHw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFgGLFc+rSVyXDB=XTzV6acubcvfx0n0TmnjZyrm-KqN04WU-A@mail.gmail.com>

Rick,

How do you perform in less than perfect conditions with your headsail?  I
race weekly (for recreational, not competitive reasons, and come in last
even with a ~270 PHRF).  In my typical air, I have 3-5 knots with 1/2 - 1
knot current (Susquehanna River mouth).

I single hand and at best I can get 110 tack angle with the 170.  It
doesn't change any with rolling the head up some and running the jib sheets
inside the outer shrouds.

My current plan is to move from the rope traveler between the backstays to
a rail behind the cabin (the rail was installed by a previous owner, but
didn't provide the traveler system, of which mine just arrived in the
mail).  And as soon as fiscally possible move to a 130.

The only place I even get close to keeping up is downwind wing-on-wing
legs, but the club doesn't race non-spin boats straight downwind so... I'm
always well behind.  In the below race, I was lapped before I even made it
around the northern mark.

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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Mon Jun  6 19:55:09 2016
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Christopher Cowie)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 23:55:09 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
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Message-ID: <81F6285C-7068-4386-8D98-4FB104D8F1F7@cowieassociates.com>

I found the large Genoa would luff inside 110 degrees and I would lose 2 knots if furled  with lines inside and the 130 points up to 90 with no loss of speed.


Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
Suite 300<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
Washington, DC 20007<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
202.342.2711<tel:202.342.2711> ex.204 ? 202.342.2691<tel:202.342.2691> fax ?202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]


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On Jun 6, 2016, at 6:55 PM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:

Rick,

How do you perform in less than perfect conditions with your headsail?  I
race weekly (for recreational, not competitive reasons, and come in last
even with a ~270 PHRF).  In my typical air, I have 3-5 knots with 1/2 - 1
knot current (Susquehanna River mouth).

I single hand and at best I can get 110 tack angle with the 170.  It
doesn't change any with rolling the head up some and running the jib sheets
inside the outer shrouds.

My current plan is to move from the rope traveler between the backstays to
a rail behind the cabin (the rail was installed by a previous owner, but
didn't provide the traveler system, of which mine just arrived in the
mail).  And as soon as fiscally possible move to a 130.

The only place I even get close to keeping up is downwind wing-on-wing
legs, but the club doesn't race non-spin boats straight downwind so... I'm
always well behind.  In the below race, I was lapped before I even made it
around the northern mark.

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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Jun  6 21:18:06 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 21:18:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles - traveller location
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Message-ID: <004a01d1c05a$724d6740$56e835c0$@ca>

Curtis:

I am interested in your comment about locating your traveller to just aft of
the cabin rather than having it located on the back stays. In my rebuild I
will need to decide where to place the traveller and would like to know what
you and others think the pros and cons are for various locations. 

Before the rebuild I installed the traveller just in front of the lazarette.
That gave good purchase but the mainsheet was often in the way of the tiller
and was generally awkward to handle. I wonder how well the traveller works
when it is located way back on the aft stays as there would not be much
downward force to flatten the mainsail.

To move it up to the cabin might be a good location but I expect that the
blocks would need to be beefed up on the mainsheet. 

Has anyone else located their traveller to aft of the cabin or have tried
various locations and if so what advice might you offer?

Thanks,

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
Sent: June 6, 2016 6:55 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles

Rick,

How do you perform in less than perfect conditions with your headsail?  I
race weekly (for recreational, not competitive reasons, and come in last
even with a ~270 PHRF).  In my typical air, I have 3-5 knots with 1/2 - 1
knot current (Susquehanna River mouth).

I single hand and at best I can get 110 tack angle with the 170.  It doesn't
change any with rolling the head up some and running the jib sheets inside
the outer shrouds.

My current plan is to move from the rope traveler between the backstays to a
rail behind the cabin (the rail was installed by a previous owner, but
didn't provide the traveler system, of which mine just arrived in the mail).
And as soon as fiscally possible move to a 130.

The only place I even get close to keeping up is downwind wing-on-wing legs,
but the club doesn't race non-spin boats straight downwind so... I'm always
well behind.  In the below race, I was lapped before I even made it around
the northern mark.

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From ruckc at yahoo.com  Tue Jun  7 07:13:18 2016
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 11:13:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles - traveller location
In-Reply-To: <004a01d1c05a$724d6740$56e835c0$@ca>
References: <1465170538557-52048.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFgGLFcppz32ky1BirdtbP8jNTW6dAbPcKuSPpm8Jiw0gtrWFg@mail.gmail.com>

Graham,

I don't know how it will work, but a previous owner put the rail there,
though they didn't leave the car.  It has to be better than my rope
traveler, and I'd love one of the Stan's new travelers, but getting one
isn't in the cards right now.

My thinking is that having the windward sheeting car will make it very easy
to control the main, and provide a vang like pull down, at least when close
hauled.  Currently with the POS the rope traveler I can't get the boom to
stay at the centerline, much less crossing the centerline.

- Curtis
s/v Ruck It
Havre de Grace, MD

P.S. love the fact I don't have to remember to sign my posts.


On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 9:18 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Curtis:
>
> I am interested in your comment about locating your traveller to just aft
> of
> the cabin rather than having it located on the back stays. In my rebuild I
> will need to decide where to place the traveller and would like to know
> what
> you and others think the pros and cons are for various locations.
>
> Before the rebuild I installed the traveller just in front of the
> lazarette.
> That gave good purchase but the mainsheet was often in the way of the
> tiller
> and was generally awkward to handle. I wonder how well the traveller works
> when it is located way back on the aft stays as there would not be much
> downward force to flatten the mainsail.
>
> To move it up to the cabin might be a good location but I expect that the
> blocks would need to be beefed up on the mainsheet.
>
> Has anyone else located their traveller to aft of the cabin or have tried
> various locations and if so what advice might you offer?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: June 6, 2016 6:55 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
>
> Rick,
>
> How do you perform in less than perfect conditions with your headsail?  I
> race weekly (for recreational, not competitive reasons, and come in last
> even with a ~270 PHRF).  In my typical air, I have 3-5 knots with 1/2 - 1
> knot current (Susquehanna River mouth).
>
> I single hand and at best I can get 110 tack angle with the 170.  It
> doesn't
> change any with rolling the head up some and running the jib sheets inside
> the outer shrouds.
>
> My current plan is to move from the rope traveler between the backstays to
> a
> rail behind the cabin (the rail was installed by a previous owner, but
> didn't provide the traveler system, of which mine just arrived in the
> mail).
> And as soon as fiscally possible move to a 130.
>
> The only place I even get close to keeping up is downwind wing-on-wing
> legs,
> but the club doesn't race non-spin boats straight downwind so... I'm always
> well behind.  In the below race, I was lapped before I even made it around
> the northern mark.
>
> [image: Screenshot_2015-08-13-08-03-34.png]
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Jun  7 13:52:28 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 13:52:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
In-Reply-To: <81F6285C-7068-4386-8D98-4FB104D8F1F7@cowieassociates.com>
References: <1465170538557-52048.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CALbDJ9ZNSREjA-oDmbdALEE2agnrYOaah4Fz1kwS6WuewmYtpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRp5FYt6MUAAUhP_OmvGj2tkXZdYWQCC7c++5N417GNSHw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABkv36YV0VD_=DJsKwiMxp3AANO9KOsNNFiYr_6gwsAP0y7bDg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFc+rSVyXDB=XTzV6acubcvfx0n0TmnjZyrm-KqN04WU-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <81F6285C-7068-4386-8D98-4FB104D8F1F7@cowieassociates.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Zh3ugGVi_XUZg46fMr1uPcMs_wNVn+QmEqjV5orTj26w@mail.gmail.com>

Christopher,

I expect your larger genny is blown out, your forestay is too loose for the
larger sail, your foot and leach lines aren't holding or your sheeting
angles to the car are off.  (As a rule of thumb, the sheet should bisect
the angle of the clew.)  Of course, the smaller sail will pull better at
higher wind speeds because you don't have to furl it as much.  But any
foresail, no matter how much it is furled, should not luff under 50 deg off
the true wind.

Rick

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Christopher Cowie <
ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:

> I found the large Genoa would luff inside 110 degrees and I would lose 2
> knots if furled  with lines inside and the 130 points up to 90 with no loss
> of speed.
>
>
> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>  [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>
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> Suite 300<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
> Washington, DC 20007<x-apple-data-detectors://1/0>
> 202.342.2711<tel:202.342.2711> ex.204 ? 202.342.2691<tel:202.342.2691> fax
> ?202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
>
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> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
>
> On Jun 6, 2016, at 6:55 PM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>
> Rick,
>
> How do you perform in less than perfect conditions with your headsail?  I
> race weekly (for recreational, not competitive reasons, and come in last
> even with a ~270 PHRF).  In my typical air, I have 3-5 knots with 1/2 - 1
> knot current (Susquehanna River mouth).
>
> I single hand and at best I can get 110 tack angle with the 170.  It
> doesn't change any with rolling the head up some and running the jib sheets
> inside the outer shrouds.
>
> My current plan is to move from the rope traveler between the backstays to
> a rail behind the cabin (the rail was installed by a previous owner, but
> didn't provide the traveler system, of which mine just arrived in the
> mail).  And as soon as fiscally possible move to a 130.
>
> The only place I even get close to keeping up is downwind wing-on-wing
> legs, but the club doesn't race non-spin boats straight downwind so... I'm
> always well behind.  In the below race, I was lapped before I even made it
> around the northern mark.
>
> [image: Screenshot_2015-08-13-08-03-34.png]
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Jun  7 14:22:08 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:22:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
In-Reply-To: <CAFgGLFc+rSVyXDB=XTzV6acubcvfx0n0TmnjZyrm-KqN04WU-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1465170538557-52048.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CALbDJ9ZNSREjA-oDmbdALEE2agnrYOaah4Fz1kwS6WuewmYtpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRp5FYt6MUAAUhP_OmvGj2tkXZdYWQCC7c++5N417GNSHw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABkv36YV0VD_=DJsKwiMxp3AANO9KOsNNFiYr_6gwsAP0y7bDg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFc+rSVyXDB=XTzV6acubcvfx0n0TmnjZyrm-KqN04WU-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36YoX+GSKTqQB6tkyQ8ZSGCU_vngto0fJ8gEKUUZRY-LXA@mail.gmail.com>

Curtis,

I have had the same experience racing with an IMF and diamond board model.
I'm pretty sure the -270 PHRF is for the hanked up main and centerboard
model.  My rankings only became decent when the RC subtracted another
minute; but still, the embarrassment remains of always arriving after the
keg is drained.

Mid-boom sheeting won't do you any good.  That is for a main with the foot
entirely attached to the boom.  Stan's bar between the back stays would
work better keeping the boom down and at the right angle.

If you can race with the spinnaker fleet wing-on-wing with an asymmetric
and genny, that could get you a first without the extreme handicap.  It
would be a $1000 pop to Doyle for an asymmetric called the UPS.

Rick

On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Rick,
>
> How do you perform in less than perfect conditions with your headsail?  I
> race weekly (for recreational, not competitive reasons, and come in last
> even with a ~270 PHRF).  In my typical air, I have 3-5 knots with 1/2 - 1
> knot current (Susquehanna River mouth).
>
> I single hand and at best I can get 110 tack angle with the 170.  It
> doesn't change any with rolling the head up some and running the jib sheets
> inside the outer shrouds.
>
> My current plan is to move from the rope traveler between the backstays to
> a rail behind the cabin (the rail was installed by a previous owner, but
> didn't provide the traveler system, of which mine just arrived in the
> mail).  And as soon as fiscally possible move to a 130.
>
> The only place I even get close to keeping up is downwind wing-on-wing
> legs, but the club doesn't race non-spin boats straight downwind so... I'm
> always well behind.  In the below race, I was lapped before I even made it
> around the northern mark.
>
> [image: Screenshot_2015-08-13-08-03-34.png]
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Tue Jun  7 14:31:33 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:31:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YoX+GSKTqQB6tkyQ8ZSGCU_vngto0fJ8gEKUUZRY-LXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1465170538557-52048.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CALbDJ9ZNSREjA-oDmbdALEE2agnrYOaah4Fz1kwS6WuewmYtpA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRp5FYt6MUAAUhP_OmvGj2tkXZdYWQCC7c++5N417GNSHw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABkv36YV0VD_=DJsKwiMxp3AANO9KOsNNFiYr_6gwsAP0y7bDg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFc+rSVyXDB=XTzV6acubcvfx0n0TmnjZyrm-KqN04WU-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABkv36YoX+GSKTqQB6tkyQ8ZSGCU_vngto0fJ8gEKUUZRY-LXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9YCWhFQ-gqe83pC4vaU33bM--4ueoa-PyFEEEo7=tXjcg@mail.gmail.com>

I you are looking to get a better shape to your main off the wind, Selden
make a reverse Vang called a Gnav. It works well on on the Rhodes, but is a
little expensive.



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 2:22 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Curtis,
>
> I have had the same experience racing with an IMF and diamond board model.
> I'm pretty sure the -270 PHRF is for the hanked up main and centerboard
> model.  My rankings only became decent when the RC subtracted another
> minute; but still, the embarrassment remains of always arriving after the
> keg is drained.
>
> Mid-boom sheeting won't do you any good.  That is for a main with the foot
> entirely attached to the boom.  Stan's bar between the back stays would
> work better keeping the boom down and at the right angle.
>
> If you can race with the spinnaker fleet wing-on-wing with an asymmetric
> and genny, that could get you a first without the extreme handicap.  It
> would be a $1000 pop to Doyle for an asymmetric called the UPS.
>
> Rick
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2016 at 6:54 PM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Rick,
> >
> > How do you perform in less than perfect conditions with your headsail?  I
> > race weekly (for recreational, not competitive reasons, and come in last
> > even with a ~270 PHRF).  In my typical air, I have 3-5 knots with 1/2 - 1
> > knot current (Susquehanna River mouth).
> >
> > I single hand and at best I can get 110 tack angle with the 170.  It
> > doesn't change any with rolling the head up some and running the jib
> sheets
> > inside the outer shrouds.
> >
> > My current plan is to move from the rope traveler between the backstays
> to
> > a rail behind the cabin (the rail was installed by a previous owner, but
> > didn't provide the traveler system, of which mine just arrived in the
> > mail).  And as soon as fiscally possible move to a 130.
> >
> > The only place I even get close to keeping up is downwind wing-on-wing
> > legs, but the club doesn't race non-spin boats straight downwind so...
> I'm
> > always well behind.  In the below race, I was lapped before I even made
> it
> > around the northern mark.
> >
> > [image: Screenshot_2015-08-13-08-03-34.png]
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue Jun  7 14:56:21 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 18:56:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] new traveler
Message-ID: <b3d6faa88bca4fbcbd2506368465d6b8@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Speaking of the new traveler, anyone have a cost on the new one? - rob

Rob Lowe


From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Tue Jun  7 17:26:09 2016
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:26:09 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] new traveler
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuMo0GNsWrTTMRZd=exKsammaMugi_Z1TLm_g1P+B_hkKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b3d6faa88bca4fbcbd2506368465d6b8@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
 <CAMzGxuPRug9ARNwqUPiMMJMdGrGtZvi4sxsabNRNYX5C-0Jcmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzGxuMq8ehDYJ2Lp5oMJvTYj37o-hyYpX72NvbvAWvyouYx1g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzGxuMo0GNsWrTTMRZd=exKsammaMugi_Z1TLm_g1P+B_hkKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuNLvb6kvuib4mks6HzCN35bPynLKzTL6fTREN+W2Fx1OA@mail.gmail.com>

Traveler cost was $395 in June 2014.
Cheers,
Shawn
s / v Sweet Baboo ( recycled 86 )
On Jun 7, 2016 11:56 AM, "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

Speaking of the new traveler, anyone have a cost on the new one? - rob

Rob Lowe

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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Tue Jun  7 17:28:37 2016
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Christopher Cowie)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 21:28:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] new traveler
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuNLvb6kvuib4mks6HzCN35bPynLKzTL6fTREN+W2Fx1OA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b3d6faa88bca4fbcbd2506368465d6b8@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
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Message-ID: <BN3PR18MB0545DE03A67B2F18847D5392D15D0@BN3PR18MB0545.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

The new traveler works great.  During my recent tacking up wind in a narrow channel on the Potomac river I was able to easily slide the car just before coming about to be in position for the next tack.  Moving the car helps me hit the 90 degree sweet spot.

Christopher P. Cowie? ??


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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Shawn Boles
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 5:26 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] new traveler

Traveler cost was $395 in June 2014.
Cheers,
Shawn
s / v Sweet Baboo ( recycled 86 )
On Jun 7, 2016 11:56 AM, "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

Speaking of the new traveler, anyone have a cost on the new one? - rob

Rob Lowe

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From dwbrad at gmail.com  Tue Jun  7 17:39:08 2016
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 17:39:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] new traveler
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuNLvb6kvuib4mks6HzCN35bPynLKzTL6fTREN+W2Fx1OA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b3d6faa88bca4fbcbd2506368465d6b8@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
 <CAMzGxuPRug9ARNwqUPiMMJMdGrGtZvi4sxsabNRNYX5C-0Jcmw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzGxuMq8ehDYJ2Lp5oMJvTYj37o-hyYpX72NvbvAWvyouYx1g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8C682543-08BC-4DB5-BD11-51F85C6A533A@gmail.com>

Still $395 as of last week. 

> On Jun 7, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Traveler cost was $395 in June 2014.
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s / v Sweet Baboo ( recycled 86 )
> On Jun 7, 2016 11:56 AM, "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> Speaking of the new traveler, anyone have a cost on the new one? - rob
> 
> Rob Lowe
> 
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Jun  7 18:24:57 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 18:24:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] new traveler
In-Reply-To: <8C682543-08BC-4DB5-BD11-51F85C6A533A@gmail.com>
References: <b3d6faa88bca4fbcbd2506368465d6b8@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
 <CAMzGxuPRug9ARNwqUPiMMJMdGrGtZvi4sxsabNRNYX5C-0Jcmw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <E4C51971-3FFE-427E-8E2F-88BF8707E161@steelbone.com>

One thing the new traveller does not do, is ease quickly. 
The main sheet is still the best option for de-powering in a hurry. 
I have one on my ?84 Continental,  and I like it much better than the string or solid bar of previous iterations, 
but this is not a control to unload an overpowered sail. 
Its slow to adjust and takes some effort, especially if single handing.
Nevertheless- I think the traveller is best on the backstay. 
I can get the boom centered and shape the sail in a number of ways with the backstay and traveler, and have much better control downwind as well.  
I don?t have, and don?t want an IMF!
Another nice feature allows you to un-pin it and swing it out of the  way if boarding from astern, or if working on the motor. 
Ric 
s/v Dadventure 
Hampton Bays



 
> On Jun 7, 2016, at 5:39 PM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Still $395 as of last week. 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2016, at 5:26 PM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Traveler cost was $395 in June 2014.
>> Cheers,
>> Shawn
>> s / v Sweet Baboo ( recycled 86 )
>> On Jun 7, 2016 11:56 AM, "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Speaking of the new traveler, anyone have a cost on the new one? - rob
>> 
>> Rob Lowe
>> 
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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Thu Jun  9 16:29:53 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 13:29:53 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First post,  purchased an 89 Rhodes this spring.
Message-ID: <1465504193154-52076.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi all,
Thanks to all of you for helping me figure out my new/used boat better
through this forum....I have read many post. 

I am a lifelong sailor, recently retired, and downsized to a boat more
suitable for the shallow waters around Raritan bay NJ.  The boat came "sans"
engine, so added one of those, an autopilot, some rewiring, and lots of
cosmetic work.  Figure out all the launching and rigging stuff and been
sailing a half dozen times so far.    I do have a few questions I'd like to
ask, but wanted to introduce myself first. 

Talbot Pratt
Red Bank NJ



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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jun  9 16:54:15 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:54:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First post, purchased an 89 Rhodes this spring.
In-Reply-To: <1465504193154-52076.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1465504193154-52076.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <024b01d1c291$17a571a0$46f054e0$@ebsmed.com>

Welcome aboard "da list."

Is your '89 IMF equipped? What size Genoa?

Congratulations on purchasing the best little sailboat around.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY




From boendert at me.com  Thu Jun  9 20:23:34 2016
From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 20:23:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First post, purchased an 89 Rhodes this spring.
In-Reply-To: <1465504193154-52076.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1465504193154-52076.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <242E6FCC-930A-4424-AA8C-6900F09A5A0B@me.com>

Welcome Talbot. You're in good hands. Shoot those questions to us when you're ready. 

Welcome to the fleet. 

Cheers,
Ted

S/V AIRPOWER 
1991/2013 R22
Jacksonville, FL



> On Jun 9, 2016, at 4:29 PM, talbotpratt <talbotpratt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Thanks to all of you for helping me figure out my new/used boat better
> through this forum....I have read many post. 
> 
> I am a lifelong sailor, recently retired, and downsized to a boat more
> suitable for the shallow waters around Raritan bay NJ.  The boat came "sans"
> engine, so added one of those, an autopilot, some rewiring, and lots of
> cosmetic work.  Figure out all the launching and rigging stuff and been
> sailing a half dozen times so far.    I do have a few questions I'd like to
> ask, but wanted to introduce myself first. 
> 
> Talbot Pratt
> Red Bank NJ
> 
> 
> 
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jun 10 09:10:39 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 13:10:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First post, purchased an 89 Rhodes this spring.
In-Reply-To: <024b01d1c291$17a571a0$46f054e0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <1465504193154-52076.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <024b01d1c291$17a571a0$46f054e0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <1a85cc934f724b08ae4f16910ecb84a4@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Talbot,
Welcome to "da list".  Ask away, we will do our best to answer your questions.

We do have a standard question we ask for list joiners, what is your favorite type of rum?  Rummy would want to know. - Rob

Rob Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 4:54 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First post, purchased an 89 Rhodes this spring.

Welcome aboard "da list."

Is your '89 IMF equipped? What size Genoa?

Congratulations on purchasing the best little sailboat around.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Fri Jun 10 16:55:08 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 16:55:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is for Sale
Message-ID: <auto-000420129691@smtp03.cluster1.echolabs.net>

Hi Everyone,

We are selling Fretless.

Fretless is a 1991 Rhodes 22 recycled by General Boats in 1998.
She has the in-mast furling main with vertical batten (new 2010), 
Schaefer Snap Furl furler with 170 jib, Doyle UPS, semi-enclosed head 
and portapotty.
She comes equipped with a 2007 Yamaha 8 hp electric start outboard 
with cockpit controls, a 2007 Triad galvanized single axle trailer, 
poptop enclosure, bimini and much, much more including a General 
Boats Certificate of Support.

Fretless has cruised the Chesapeake since 1998 and is well outfitted 
for cruising. She is located in Rock Hall, MD and is currently on her 
trailer in our side yard.

The attached PDF has details, an equipment list photos and a price.

More about our boating plans in a separate email.

Mary Lou & Fred
Mary Lou Troy & Fred Kaiser
1991 R22 Fretless, recycled 1998
For sale in Rock Hall, MD
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 17:21:20 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 17:21:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is for Sale
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References: <auto-000420129691@smtp03.cluster1.echolabs.net>
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Oh no! I just read the ad.  You guys are now stink-potters! Oh, the shame!
How can you show your face in public again!? (Just kidding)

Hank

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> We are selling Fretless.
>
> Fretless is a 1991 Rhodes 22 recycled by General Boats in 1998.
> She has the in-mast furling main with vertical batten (new 2010), Schaefer
> Snap Furl furler with 170 jib, Doyle UPS, semi-enclosed head and portapotty.
> She comes equipped with a 2007 Yamaha 8 hp electric start outboard with
> cockpit controls, a 2007 Triad galvanized single axle trailer, poptop
> enclosure, bimini and much, much more including a General Boats Certificate
> of Support.
>
> Fretless has cruised the Chesapeake since 1998 and is well outfitted for
> cruising. She is located in Rock Hall, MD and is currently on her trailer
> in our side yard.
>
> The attached PDF has details, an equipment list photos and a price.
>
> More about our boating plans in a separate email.
>
> Mary Lou & Fred
> Mary Lou Troy & Fred Kaiser
> 1991 R22 Fretless, recycled 1998
> For sale in Rock Hall, MD
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Fri Jun 10 17:42:58 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 17:42:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark side
Message-ID: <auto-000420380716@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>

Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of 
years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as 
we once were and that every time we went out we were worried about 
getting beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.

We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went 
to the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't 
until we saw a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this 
spring that we knew we had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard 
powered mini-trawler. It won't be sailing but she has doors on either 
side of the helm position so you feel like you are on the water, 
great visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow draft so we can re-visit 
all of our favorite anchorages. The one that will be ours any day now 
was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before Bob Rosborough 
sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New Hampshire (which 
is making very nice new ones.)

Photos attached.

We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the 
water. If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.

Mary Lou
Fretless
1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
For Sale in Rock Hall, MD

and

Tara
2012 Rosborough RF-246
soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From dwbrad at gmail.com  Fri Jun 10 17:45:49 2016
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 17:45:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
	side
In-Reply-To: <auto-000420380716@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
References: <auto-000420380716@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
Message-ID: <713FB8C0-74C1-41D9-9DD5-38E54FC0059F@gmail.com>

Would be very sad to see you leave da list!  Enjoy your new boat and new chapter - will look forward to hearing about it!

All the best,

Dave B

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as we once were and that every time we went out we were worried about getting beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
> 
> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went to the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we saw a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we knew we had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It won't be sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you feel like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that will be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
> 
> Photos attached.
> 
> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the water. If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
> 
> Mary Lou
> Fretless
> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
> 
> and
> 
> Tara
> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From jsail1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 10 18:06:37 2016
From: jsail1 at verizon.net (Jay Friedland)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 18:06:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
	side
In-Reply-To: <auto-000420380716@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
References: <auto-000420380716@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
Message-ID: <147CA80F-150E-44DE-BFFD-4F8FB079D021@verizon.net>

Mary Lou & Fred,
It?s STILL about the people. While it?s only a few times we?ve crossed paths, t?s your writings, research & giving to da list (as Rummy & others) that has so actively supported a wide network of Rhodies to pursue their passion. From Philly Folk Festival days to your retirement, you helped keep us engaged & enlightened. Thank you, even as you observe from the sidelines, we know where your passions lie.

Jay Friedland
s/v Wanderlust ?97 R-22


> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as we once were and that every time we went out we were worried about getting beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
> 
> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went to the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we saw a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we knew we had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It won't be sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you feel like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that will be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
> 
> Photos attached.
> 
> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the water. If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
> 
> Mary Lou
> Fretless
> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
> 
> and
> 
> Tara
> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sat Jun 11 14:33:42 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 14:33:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
	side
In-Reply-To: <auto-000420380716@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
References: <auto-000420380716@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
Message-ID: <CABkv36btpNcbVNXB80=gzuWdFwkrd83euK9gr9p2EL-euS8D+A@mail.gmail.com>

Mary Lou,

Thanks for your list contributions over the years.  I'm sure you'll shed
some light onto the Dark Side.

Rick

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of
> years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as we
> once were and that every time we went out we were worried about getting
> beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
>
> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went to
> the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we saw
> a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we knew we
> had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It won't be
> sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you feel
> like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow
> draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that will
> be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before
> Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New
> Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
>
> Photos attached.
>
> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the water.
> If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
>
> Mary Lou
> Fretless
> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>
> and
>
> Tara
> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From larrywallen at verizon.net  Sat Jun 11 18:49:40 2016
From: larrywallen at verizon.net (Larry Allen)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 18:49:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the
	dark	side
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And if you ever want to go lobersting, you're all set.

Larry
Sarasota



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Rick
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 2:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
side

Mary Lou,

Thanks for your list contributions over the years.  I'm sure you'll shed
some light onto the Dark Side.

Rick

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of 
> years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as 
> we once were and that every time we went out we were worried about 
> getting beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
>
> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went 
> to the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until 
> we saw a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring 
> that we knew we had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered 
> mini-trawler. It won't be sailing but she has doors on either side of 
> the helm position so you feel like you are on the water, great 
> visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow draft so we can re-visit all of 
> our favorite anchorages. The one that will be ours any day now was one 
> of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before Bob Rosborough sold the 
> molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New Hampshire (which is making 
> very nice new ones.)
>
> Photos attached.
>
> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the water.
> If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
>
> Mary Lou
> Fretless
> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>
> and
>
> Tara
> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Sun Jun 12 09:47:30 2016
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 09:47:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
	side
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Looks like a great boat Mary Lou. Enjoy the heck out of it. The important thing in life is to get out on the water - I don't think it matters how. I have a good friend who is a life long avid sailor and has switched to a trawler in his 70's. I think this is where old sailors go. 

I am launching later today due to the 6:15 pm high tide. You are always welcome to come sail in New England. Our season is short but sweet. 

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as we once were and that every time we went out we were worried about getting beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
> 
> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went to the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we saw a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we knew we had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It won't be sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you feel like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that will be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
> 
> Photos attached.
> 
> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the water. If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
> 
> Mary Lou
> Fretless
> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
> 
> and
> 
> Tara
> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From rodellner at mac.com  Sun Jun 12 14:28:09 2016
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 13:28:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the
	dark	side
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Mary Lou.   Embrace it. You're still on the water!   Keep in touch w/us!

Rod and Mary
St Croix River 
WI

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> On Jun 12, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Looks like a great boat Mary Lou. Enjoy the heck out of it. The important thing in life is to get out on the water - I don't think it matters how. I have a good friend who is a life long avid sailor and has switched to a trawler in his 70's. I think this is where old sailors go. 
> 
> I am launching later today due to the 6:15 pm high tide. You are always welcome to come sail in New England. Our season is short but sweet. 
> 
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
> Needham, MA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as we once were and that every time we went out we were worried about getting beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
>> 
>> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went to the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we saw a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we knew we had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It won't be sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you feel like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that will be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
>> 
>> Photos attached.
>> 
>> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the water. If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
>> 
>> Mary Lou
>> Fretless
>> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
>> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> Tara
>> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
>> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From daysails at aol.com  Mon Jun 13 10:10:31 2016
From: daysails at aol.com (Joe Riley)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:10:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
	side
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Congratulations on your new beautiful boat.  I do hope you will stay on line
with us.  Your contributions to the list are valuable and your years of
experience on Fretless give you the voice of experience.  It will be fun
hearing about your transition stories.  Best wishes, Joe Riley, Athens GA



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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Jun 13 10:34:18 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 14:34:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is for Sale
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Mary Lou,
I'm with Hank, seeing your post made my heart sink.  And then to see you've become a stink boater!  Ah well.  

So sorry to see Fretless for sale, but we certainly understand.  Sailboats get harder to manage after a while.

Please stay with us on the list!  We value your knowledge and wisdom and would really miss that. - rob

Rob Lowe
S/V still no name


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2016 5:21 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is for Sale

Oh no! I just read the ad.  You guys are now stink-potters! Oh, the shame!
How can you show your face in public again!? (Just kidding)

Hank

On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:


From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Mon Jun 13 10:49:49 2016
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:49:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
	side
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I love your new boat!  Especially envious of the A/C unit!  Is an intracoastal trip to Florida in your future?
Bob
(Palatka)

> On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary Lou,
> 
> Thanks for your list contributions over the years.  I'm sure you'll shed
> some light onto the Dark Side.
> 
> Rick
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of
>> years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as we
>> once were and that every time we went out we were worried about getting
>> beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
>> 
>> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went to
>> the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we saw
>> a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we knew we
>> had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It won't be
>> sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you feel
>> like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow
>> draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that will
>> be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before
>> Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New
>> Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
>> 
>> Photos attached.
>> 
>> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the water.
>> If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
>> 
>> Mary Lou
>> Fretless
>> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
>> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> Tara
>> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
>> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Mon Jun 13 10:51:41 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 07:51:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First post, purchased an 89 Rhodes this spring.
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Thanks gents,
I DO have and imf main and new traveler. Plus other 2008 upgrades. 
Will post questions separately with more specific subjects.
Talbot



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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Jun 13 10:53:53 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 10:53:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is for Sale
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Mary Lou:

I hope you stay active on the list even if you no longer have the Rhodes.
Your contributions have always been particularly valuable and that won't
change regardless of the boat you are using. I always appreciated your
contribution.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Mary Lou Troy
Sent: June 10, 2016 4:55 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is for Sale

Hi Everyone,

We are selling Fretless.

Fretless is a 1991 Rhodes 22 recycled by General Boats in 1998.
She has the in-mast furling main with vertical batten (new 2010), Schaefer
Snap Furl furler with 170 jib, Doyle UPS, semi-enclosed head and portapotty.
She comes equipped with a 2007 Yamaha 8 hp electric start outboard with
cockpit controls, a 2007 Triad galvanized single axle trailer, poptop
enclosure, bimini and much, much more including a General Boats Certificate
of Support.

Fretless has cruised the Chesapeake since 1998 and is well outfitted for
cruising. She is located in Rock Hall, MD and is currently on her trailer in
our side yard.

The attached PDF has details, an equipment list photos and a price.

More about our boating plans in a separate email.

Mary Lou & Fred
Mary Lou Troy & Fred Kaiser
1991 R22 Fretless, recycled 1998
For sale in Rock Hall, MD
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Jun 13 11:21:17 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:21:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
 side
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At 10:49 AM 6/13/2016, Bob wrote:
>I love your new boat!  Especially envious of the A/C unit!  Is an 
>intracoastal trip to Florida in your future?
>Bob
>(Palatka)

Probably not to Florida but we will be bringing her back up the ICW 
from Oriental to Rock Hall. If it turns out that we love that, who 
knows? I think the AC will be really nice for that trip in July. Of 
course it only works at the dock so we may mostly marina-hop on our 
way north although the boat does have great ventilation and a 
refrigerator/freezer for cool drinks.

In buying this boat we really hope to revisit all of the fabulous 
Chesapeake anchorages and ports that have seemed out of reach the 
past few years. Like the Rhodes, the boat is capable of a lot more 
than we are (if only in the sense of time available.) In fact, This 
Rossi is only 4 years old but has already been from the Chesapeake to 
the East coast of Florida. Others have cruised the New England coast, 
done the Great Loop including the Great Lakes and cruised the Pacific 
Northwest.

We always said that you could sail the Chesapeake for 40 years and 
never hit all the wonderful places and anchorages along its shores. 
We certainly didn't in 20 years of cruising first on the Com-Pac 16 
and then on the Rhodes 22. Part of the issue was, of course, that 
some were so wondeerful, you just wanted to go back again and again. 
The new boat will be a little faster than a sailboat so we may range 
further afield.

The other thing is that we're not planning on giving up any of our 
other toys so we still will want to devote time to kayaking (the new 
boat will be a good platform for that), the travel trailer (we might 
do a few less music festival than we did last year but probably only 
by one or two) and taking the trailer (and the kayaks) to Florida for 
a few weeks in the winter and elsewhere in the summer. On the other 
hand we are hoping to give at least a few hours of work.

And we will stick around the Rhodes list. Fretless was a big part of 
our lives. We'll miss (and have missed) sailing so I'll get my online 
fix here and of course we do still have friends with sailboats.

All my best and thanks to everyone for all the kind words
Mary Lou

Fretless
1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
For Sale in Rock Hall, MD

and

Tara
2012 Rosborough RF-246
soon to be Rock Hall, MD





> > On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mary Lou,
> >
> > Thanks for your list contributions over the years.  I'm sure you'll shed
> > some light onto the Dark Side.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy 
> <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of
> >> years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as we
> >> once were and that every time we went out we were worried about getting
> >> beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
> >>
> >> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went to
> >> the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we saw
> >> a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that 
> we knew we
> >> had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. 
> It won't be
> >> sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you feel
> >> like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow
> >> draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that will
> >> be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before
> >> Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New
> >> Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
> >>
> >> Photos attached.
> >>
> >> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the water.
> >> If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
> >>
> >> Mary Lou
> >> Fretless
> >> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
> >> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
> >>
> >> and
> >>
> >> Tara
> >> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
> >> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From boendert at me.com  Mon Jun 13 21:54:01 2016
From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 21:54:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
	side
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Mary Lou, if you ever need a sailing Rhodes 22 fix, head south on I-95 to Jacksonville, Florida and we'll go sailing anytime. I know you guys could teach me a thing or two. Glad your sticking around the list. I've enjoyed and relied on many of your posts for advice. 

Cheers,
Ted

S/V AIRPOWER 
1991/2013 R22
Jacksonville, FL



> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> At 10:49 AM 6/13/2016, Bob wrote:
>> I love your new boat!  Especially envious of the A/C unit!  Is an intracoastal trip to Florida in your future?
>> Bob
>> (Palatka)
> 
> Probably not to Florida but we will be bringing her back up the ICW from Oriental to Rock Hall. If it turns out that we love that, who knows? I think the AC will be really nice for that trip in July. Of course it only works at the dock so we may mostly marina-hop on our way north although the boat does have great ventilation and a refrigerator/freezer for cool drinks.
> 
> In buying this boat we really hope to revisit all of the fabulous Chesapeake anchorages and ports that have seemed out of reach the past few years. Like the Rhodes, the boat is capable of a lot more than we are (if only in the sense of time available.) In fact, This Rossi is only 4 years old but has already been from the Chesapeake to the East coast of Florida. Others have cruised the New England coast, done the Great Loop including the Great Lakes and cruised the Pacific Northwest.
> 
> We always said that you could sail the Chesapeake for 40 years and never hit all the wonderful places and anchorages along its shores. We certainly didn't in 20 years of cruising first on the Com-Pac 16 and then on the Rhodes 22. Part of the issue was, of course, that some were so wondeerful, you just wanted to go back again and again. The new boat will be a little faster than a sailboat so we may range further afield.
> 
> The other thing is that we're not planning on giving up any of our other toys so we still will want to devote time to kayaking (the new boat will be a good platform for that), the travel trailer (we might do a few less music festival than we did last year but probably only by one or two) and taking the trailer (and the kayaks) to Florida for a few weeks in the winter and elsewhere in the summer. On the other hand we are hoping to give at least a few hours of work.
> 
> And we will stick around the Rhodes list. Fretless was a big part of our lives. We'll miss (and have missed) sailing so I'll get my online fix here and of course we do still have friends with sailboats.
> 
> All my best and thanks to everyone for all the kind words
> Mary Lou
> 
> Fretless
> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
> 
> and
> 
> Tara
> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> > On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mary Lou,
>> >
>> > Thanks for your list contributions over the years.  I'm sure you'll shed
>> > some light onto the Dark Side.
>> >
>> > Rick
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of
>> >> years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as we
>> >> once were and that every time we went out we were worried about getting
>> >> beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
>> >>
>> >> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went to
>> >> the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we saw
>> >> a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we knew we
>> >> had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It won't be
>> >> sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you feel
>> >> like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow
>> >> draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that will
>> >> be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before
>> >> Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New
>> >> Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
>> >>
>> >> Photos attached.
>> >>
>> >> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the water.
>> >> If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
>> >>
>> >> Mary Lou
>> >> Fretless
>> >> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
>> >> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>> >>
>> >> and
>> >>
>> >> Tara
>> >> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
>> >> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
>> >> -------------- next part --------------
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From lastmango68 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 14 04:48:26 2016
From: lastmango68 at gmail.com (Lance Horne)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 04:48:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
	side
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Agree on the JAX sailing. Lance/Beth (Last Mango)
> On Jun 13, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Theodore Boender <boendert at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Mary Lou, if you ever need a sailing Rhodes 22 fix, head south on I-95 to Jacksonville, Florida and we'll go sailing anytime. I know you guys could teach me a thing or two. Glad your sticking around the list. I've enjoyed and relied on many of your posts for advice. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ted
> 
> S/V AIRPOWER 
> 1991/2013 R22
> Jacksonville, FL
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> At 10:49 AM 6/13/2016, Bob wrote:
>>> I love your new boat!  Especially envious of the A/C unit!  Is an intracoastal trip to Florida in your future?
>>> Bob
>>> (Palatka)
>> 
>> Probably not to Florida but we will be bringing her back up the ICW from Oriental to Rock Hall. If it turns out that we love that, who knows? I think the AC will be really nice for that trip in July. Of course it only works at the dock so we may mostly marina-hop on our way north although the boat does have great ventilation and a refrigerator/freezer for cool drinks.
>> 
>> In buying this boat we really hope to revisit all of the fabulous Chesapeake anchorages and ports that have seemed out of reach the past few years. Like the Rhodes, the boat is capable of a lot more than we are (if only in the sense of time available.) In fact, This Rossi is only 4 years old but has already been from the Chesapeake to the East coast of Florida. Others have cruised the New England coast, done the Great Loop including the Great Lakes and cruised the Pacific Northwest.
>> 
>> We always said that you could sail the Chesapeake for 40 years and never hit all the wonderful places and anchorages along its shores. We certainly didn't in 20 years of cruising first on the Com-Pac 16 and then on the Rhodes 22. Part of the issue was, of course, that some were so wondeerful, you just wanted to go back again and again. The new boat will be a little faster than a sailboat so we may range further afield.
>> 
>> The other thing is that we're not planning on giving up any of our other toys so we still will want to devote time to kayaking (the new boat will be a good platform for that), the travel trailer (we might do a few less music festival than we did last year but probably only by one or two) and taking the trailer (and the kayaks) to Florida for a few weeks in the winter and elsewhere in the summer. On the other hand we are hoping to give at least a few hours of work.
>> 
>> And we will stick around the Rhodes list. Fretless was a big part of our lives. We'll miss (and have missed) sailing so I'll get my online fix here and of course we do still have friends with sailboats.
>> 
>> All my best and thanks to everyone for all the kind words
>> Mary Lou
>> 
>> Fretless
>> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
>> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> Tara
>> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
>> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mary Lou,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your list contributions over the years.  I'm sure you'll shed
>>>> some light onto the Dark Side.
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of
>>>>> years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as we
>>>>> once were and that every time we went out we were worried about getting
>>>>> beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went to
>>>>> the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we saw
>>>>> a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we knew we
>>>>> had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It won't be
>>>>> sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you feel
>>>>> like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and shallow
>>>>> draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that will
>>>>> be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia before
>>>>> Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New
>>>>> Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Photos attached.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the water.
>>>>> If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>> Fretless
>>>>> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
>>>>> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>>>>> 
>>>>> and
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tara
>>>>> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
>>>>> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Jun 14 22:41:31 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 22:41:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
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Can anyone tell me how the hull deck join is fastened on the R22? I should
know this as I removed the rub rail about 5 years ago and now that I am
reconstructing the join I have forgotten what was there. I looks to me like
the hull and deck were attached with rivets spaced about every three feet
while the aluminium rub rail track was then installed with screws about
every 8 inches. Is this correct or was the rub rail also riveted?

I really miss having a memory.
 
Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada


 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Theodore Boender
Sent: June 13, 2016 9:54 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
side

Mary Lou, if you ever need a sailing Rhodes 22 fix, head south on I-95 to
Jacksonville, Florida and we'll go sailing anytime. I know you guys could
teach me a thing or two. Glad your sticking around the list. I've enjoyed
and relied on many of your posts for advice. 

Cheers,
Ted

S/V AIRPOWER 
1991/2013 R22
Jacksonville, FL



> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> At 10:49 AM 6/13/2016, Bob wrote:
>> I love your new boat!  Especially envious of the A/C unit!  Is an
intracoastal trip to Florida in your future?
>> Bob
>> (Palatka)
> 
> Probably not to Florida but we will be bringing her back up the ICW from
Oriental to Rock Hall. If it turns out that we love that, who knows? I think
the AC will be really nice for that trip in July. Of course it only works at
the dock so we may mostly marina-hop on our way north although the boat does
have great ventilation and a refrigerator/freezer for cool drinks.
> 
> In buying this boat we really hope to revisit all of the fabulous
Chesapeake anchorages and ports that have seemed out of reach the past few
years. Like the Rhodes, the boat is capable of a lot more than we are (if
only in the sense of time available.) In fact, This Rossi is only 4 years
old but has already been from the Chesapeake to the East coast of Florida.
Others have cruised the New England coast, done the Great Loop including the
Great Lakes and cruised the Pacific Northwest.
> 
> We always said that you could sail the Chesapeake for 40 years and never
hit all the wonderful places and anchorages along its shores. We certainly
didn't in 20 years of cruising first on the Com-Pac 16 and then on the
Rhodes 22. Part of the issue was, of course, that some were so wondeerful,
you just wanted to go back again and again. The new boat will be a little
faster than a sailboat so we may range further afield.
> 
> The other thing is that we're not planning on giving up any of our other
toys so we still will want to devote time to kayaking (the new boat will be
a good platform for that), the travel trailer (we might do a few less music
festival than we did last year but probably only by one or two) and taking
the trailer (and the kayaks) to Florida for a few weeks in the winter and
elsewhere in the summer. On the other hand we are hoping to give at least a
few hours of work.
> 
> And we will stick around the Rhodes list. Fretless was a big part of our
lives. We'll miss (and have missed) sailing so I'll get my online fix here
and of course we do still have friends with sailboats.
> 
> All my best and thanks to everyone for all the kind words
> Mary Lou
> 
> Fretless
> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
> 
> and
> 
> Tara
> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> > On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Mary Lou,
>> >
>> > Thanks for your list contributions over the years.  I'm sure you'll
shed
>> > some light onto the Dark Side.
>> >
>> > Rick
>> >
>> >> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of
>> >> years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as
we
>> >> once were and that every time we went out we were worried about
getting
>> >> beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
>> >>
>> >> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went
to
>> >> the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we
saw
>> >> a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we
knew we
>> >> had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It
won't be
>> >> sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you
feel
>> >> like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and
shallow
>> >> draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that
will
>> >> be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia
before
>> >> Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New
>> >> Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
>> >>
>> >> Photos attached.
>> >>
>> >> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the
water.
>> >> If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
>> >>
>> >> Mary Lou
>> >> Fretless
>> >> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
>> >> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>> >>
>> >> and
>> >>
>> >> Tara
>> >> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
>> >> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Jun 15 09:26:03 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:26:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
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The aluminum Rub rail on my ?84 was riveted at 6?o.c.
I just replaced it with a black vinyl/white insert from Defender $209. 50 ft is enough (it stretches) 
Used SS screws at 6? o.c. but could not use the 1-1/2 screws provided by Tyco because they are too long. 
Ric 
s/v Dadventure 
Hampton Bays 


> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:41 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Can anyone tell me how the hull deck join is fastened on the R22? I should
> know this as I removed the rub rail about 5 years ago and now that I am
> reconstructing the join I have forgotten what was there. I looks to me like
> the hull and deck were attached with rivets spaced about every three feet
> while the aluminium rub rail track was then installed with screws about
> every 8 inches. Is this correct or was the rub rail also riveted?
> 
> I really miss having a memory.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Theodore Boender
> Sent: June 13, 2016 9:54 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
> side
> 
> Mary Lou, if you ever need a sailing Rhodes 22 fix, head south on I-95 to
> Jacksonville, Florida and we'll go sailing anytime. I know you guys could
> teach me a thing or two. Glad your sticking around the list. I've enjoyed
> and relied on many of your posts for advice. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ted
> 
> S/V AIRPOWER 
> 1991/2013 R22
> Jacksonville, FL
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> At 10:49 AM 6/13/2016, Bob wrote:
>>> I love your new boat!  Especially envious of the A/C unit!  Is an
> intracoastal trip to Florida in your future?
>>> Bob
>>> (Palatka)
>> 
>> Probably not to Florida but we will be bringing her back up the ICW from
> Oriental to Rock Hall. If it turns out that we love that, who knows? I think
> the AC will be really nice for that trip in July. Of course it only works at
> the dock so we may mostly marina-hop on our way north although the boat does
> have great ventilation and a refrigerator/freezer for cool drinks.
>> 
>> In buying this boat we really hope to revisit all of the fabulous
> Chesapeake anchorages and ports that have seemed out of reach the past few
> years. Like the Rhodes, the boat is capable of a lot more than we are (if
> only in the sense of time available.) In fact, This Rossi is only 4 years
> old but has already been from the Chesapeake to the East coast of Florida.
> Others have cruised the New England coast, done the Great Loop including the
> Great Lakes and cruised the Pacific Northwest.
>> 
>> We always said that you could sail the Chesapeake for 40 years and never
> hit all the wonderful places and anchorages along its shores. We certainly
> didn't in 20 years of cruising first on the Com-Pac 16 and then on the
> Rhodes 22. Part of the issue was, of course, that some were so wondeerful,
> you just wanted to go back again and again. The new boat will be a little
> faster than a sailboat so we may range further afield.
>> 
>> The other thing is that we're not planning on giving up any of our other
> toys so we still will want to devote time to kayaking (the new boat will be
> a good platform for that), the travel trailer (we might do a few less music
> festival than we did last year but probably only by one or two) and taking
> the trailer (and the kayaks) to Florida for a few weeks in the winter and
> elsewhere in the summer. On the other hand we are hoping to give at least a
> few hours of work.
>> 
>> And we will stick around the Rhodes list. Fretless was a big part of our
> lives. We'll miss (and have missed) sailing so I'll get my online fix here
> and of course we do still have friends with sailboats.
>> 
>> All my best and thanks to everyone for all the kind words
>> Mary Lou
>> 
>> Fretless
>> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
>> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> Tara
>> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
>> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mary Lou,
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for your list contributions over the years.  I'm sure you'll
> shed
>>>> some light onto the Dark Side.
>>>> 
>>>> Rick
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of
>>>>> years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as
> we
>>>>> once were and that every time we went out we were worried about
> getting
>>>>> beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went
> to
>>>>> the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we
> saw
>>>>> a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we
> knew we
>>>>> had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It
> won't be
>>>>> sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you
> feel
>>>>> like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and
> shallow
>>>>> draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that
> will
>>>>> be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia
> before
>>>>> Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New
>>>>> Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Photos attached.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the
> water.
>>>>> If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>> Fretless
>>>>> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
>>>>> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>>>>> 
>>>>> and
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tara
>>>>> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
>>>>> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
>>>>> -------------- next part --------------
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>>>>> __________________________________________________
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> go
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From jefferson at iteract.ca  Wed Jun 15 11:48:32 2016
From: jefferson at iteract.ca (Jefferson Lewis)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 08:48:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
	side
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What a lovely boat! Beautiful lines, and interior. I'm sure you'll have a
great time with her!



-----
Jefferson Lewis
SV Patience 1976
Lake Memphremagog, Quebec
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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 12:22:40 2016
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 12:22:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
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My '83 rub rail is riveted "about" every 6" not o.c.

Bob (palatka)
> On Jun 15, 2016, at 9:26 AM, Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> The aluminum Rub rail on my ?84 was riveted at 6?o.c.
> I just replaced it with a black vinyl/white insert from Defender $209. 50 ft is enough (it stretches) 
> Used SS screws at 6? o.c. but could not use the 1-1/2 screws provided by Tyco because they are too long. 
> Ric 
> s/v Dadventure 
> Hampton Bays 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2016, at 10:41 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Can anyone tell me how the hull deck join is fastened on the R22? I should
>> know this as I removed the rub rail about 5 years ago and now that I am
>> reconstructing the join I have forgotten what was there. I looks to me like
>> the hull and deck were attached with rivets spaced about every three feet
>> while the aluminium rub rail track was then installed with screws about
>> every 8 inches. Is this correct or was the rub rail also riveted?
>> 
>> I really miss having a memory.
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile. R22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> Theodore Boender
>> Sent: June 13, 2016 9:54 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
>> side
>> 
>> Mary Lou, if you ever need a sailing Rhodes 22 fix, head south on I-95 to
>> Jacksonville, Florida and we'll go sailing anytime. I know you guys could
>> teach me a thing or two. Glad your sticking around the list. I've enjoyed
>> and relied on many of your posts for advice. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ted
>> 
>> S/V AIRPOWER 
>> 1991/2013 R22
>> Jacksonville, FL
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 13, 2016, at 11:21 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> At 10:49 AM 6/13/2016, Bob wrote:
>>>> I love your new boat!  Especially envious of the A/C unit!  Is an
>> intracoastal trip to Florida in your future?
>>>> Bob
>>>> (Palatka)
>>> 
>>> Probably not to Florida but we will be bringing her back up the ICW from
>> Oriental to Rock Hall. If it turns out that we love that, who knows? I think
>> the AC will be really nice for that trip in July. Of course it only works at
>> the dock so we may mostly marina-hop on our way north although the boat does
>> have great ventilation and a refrigerator/freezer for cool drinks.
>>> 
>>> In buying this boat we really hope to revisit all of the fabulous
>> Chesapeake anchorages and ports that have seemed out of reach the past few
>> years. Like the Rhodes, the boat is capable of a lot more than we are (if
>> only in the sense of time available.) In fact, This Rossi is only 4 years
>> old but has already been from the Chesapeake to the East coast of Florida.
>> Others have cruised the New England coast, done the Great Loop including the
>> Great Lakes and cruised the Pacific Northwest.
>>> 
>>> We always said that you could sail the Chesapeake for 40 years and never
>> hit all the wonderful places and anchorages along its shores. We certainly
>> didn't in 20 years of cruising first on the Com-Pac 16 and then on the
>> Rhodes 22. Part of the issue was, of course, that some were so wondeerful,
>> you just wanted to go back again and again. The new boat will be a little
>> faster than a sailboat so we may range further afield.
>>> 
>>> The other thing is that we're not planning on giving up any of our other
>> toys so we still will want to devote time to kayaking (the new boat will be
>> a good platform for that), the travel trailer (we might do a few less music
>> festival than we did last year but probably only by one or two) and taking
>> the trailer (and the kayaks) to Florida for a few weeks in the winter and
>> elsewhere in the summer. On the other hand we are hoping to give at least a
>> few hours of work.
>>> 
>>> And we will stick around the Rhodes list. Fretless was a big part of our
>> lives. We'll miss (and have missed) sailing so I'll get my online fix here
>> and of course we do still have friends with sailboats.
>>> 
>>> All my best and thanks to everyone for all the kind words
>>> Mary Lou
>>> 
>>> Fretless
>>> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
>>> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>>> 
>>> and
>>> 
>>> Tara
>>> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
>>> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 11, 2016, at 2:33 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mary Lou,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your list contributions over the years.  I'm sure you'll
>> shed
>>>>> some light onto the Dark Side.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rick
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Jun 10, 2016 at 5:42 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some of you know we haven't used Fretless too much the past couple of
>>>>>> years. It took us a while to figure out that we are not as nimble as
>> we
>>>>>> once were and that every time we went out we were worried about
>> getting
>>>>>> beat up or we waited for perfect weather and didn't go out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We idly talked about a powerboat as a possible solution and even went
>> to
>>>>>> the powerboat show in Annapolis to look at options. It wasn't until we
>> saw
>>>>>> a Rosborough RF-246 at the Bay Bridge Boat Show this spring that we
>> knew we
>>>>>> had found out next boat, a 26 ft outboard powered mini-trawler. It
>> won't be
>>>>>> sailing but she has doors on either side of the helm position so you
>> feel
>>>>>> like you are on the water, great visibility, a nice cockpit and
>> shallow
>>>>>> draft so we can re-visit all of our favorite anchorages. The one that
>> will
>>>>>> be ours any day now was one of the last ones built in Nova Scotia
>> before
>>>>>> Bob Rosborough sold the molds and the name to Eastern Boats in New
>>>>>> Hampshire (which is making very nice new ones.)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Photos attached.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We miss sailing but we will be very excited to get back out on the
>> water.
>>>>>> If you can stand us, we'll probably stick around here.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mary Lou
>>>>>> Fretless
>>>>>> 1991 Rhodes 22, Recycled 1998
>>>>>> For Sale in Rock Hall, MD
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tara
>>>>>> 2012 Rosborough RF-246
>>>>>> soon to be Rock Hall, MD
>>>>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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>>>>>> Size: 36792 bytes
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> 
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From 5399paul at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 12:38:45 2016
From: 5399paul at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 09:38:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
Message-ID: <1466008725287-52101.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi All: We have downsized our life and are full time rv people now. Having
our Rhodes 22 just doesn't fit with our current lifestyle. So...selling 1988
recycled 2001 Rhodes. Includes trailer with new wheels and tires, bearings
and bunks. Miss Adventure has a 2005 Honda 9.9 four stroke with cockpit
mounted steering and controls, including power tilt. Both sails are new this
year, a 130% genoa and the new style vertical batten main, both self furling
of course. All cushions are excellent, two opening hatches, includes life
jackets, anchor, hand held vhf, all safety equipment. She is currently in
the water at Claytor Lake State Park. Will deliver to Mid Atlantic area.
$10,500. Reply or call me at 352-250-3210. 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52101/IMG_0068.jpg> 



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Paul
s/v Miss Adventure
88/01 R22
The Villages FL
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From ohecht at earthlink.net  Wed Jun 15 13:10:49 2016
From: ohecht at earthlink.net (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 13:10:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
In-Reply-To: <1466008725287-52101.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1466008725287-52101.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C07EB4C9-F01B-48A7-95BA-7942999F4895@earthlink.net>

Hi Paul. I'm in Richmond and have been looking for my Rhodes for close to a year now. I'd love to get more pics of the boat and trailer along with any other details you can share. ohecht at earthlink.net. 

Also, it's hard to tell from the picture, but is that a steering wheel for the "cockpit steering" you mentioned?  How did you rig that up, and I assume it's just for the motor and not the rudder itself...is that right?

Thanks!

Olivier

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Paul <5399paul at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All: We have downsized our life and are full time rv people now. Having
> our Rhodes 22 just doesn't fit with our current lifestyle. So...selling 1988
> recycled 2001 Rhodes. Includes trailer with new wheels and tires, bearings
> and bunks. Miss Adventure has a 2005 Honda 9.9 four stroke with cockpit
> mounted steering and controls, including power tilt. Both sails are new this
> year, a 130% genoa and the new style vertical batten main, both self furling
> of course. All cushions are excellent, two opening hatches, includes life
> jackets, anchor, hand held vhf, all safety equipment. She is currently in
> the water at Claytor Lake State Park. Will deliver to Mid Atlantic area.
> $10,500. Reply or call me at 352-250-3210. 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52101/IMG_0068.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Paul
> s/v Miss Adventure
> 88/01 R22
> The Villages FL
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jun 15 13:13:53 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 13:13:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
In-Reply-To: <E1369C06-3BE8-431D-93EA-9C6F86D8AAE8@stottarchitecture.com>
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Ric:

Thanks for the response. That is very helpful and confirms what I thought was the construction of the hull-deck join. 

Of course every answer leads to another question: Did you replace the track or just the insert? Why did you switch from rivets to screws? As I understand it, the track and the rivets are integral to the strength of the join and I would worry that screws might work their way out while rivets are much less likely to.

I destroyed the aluminium track on my boat in the process of removing it so I have to start from scratch with a new rail and at this point am inclined towards the Tessilmare Radial Flexible Rub Rail (see http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=56893 ). It consists of a flexible track that and a PVC bumper cover. I thought I would use the same method of installation as on the boat originally - attaching the track with rivets or possibly even bolts if I can't find the rivets.

Does anyone know what rivets are used now for this purpose. I am thinking that 3/16 aluminium rivets with a grip of about .6" and a flat or countersink head looks about right but would very much appreciate having this confirmed or corrected.


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: June 15, 2016 9:26 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening

The aluminum Rub rail on my ?84 was riveted at 6?o.c.
I just replaced it with a black vinyl/white insert from Defender $209. 50 ft is enough (it stretches) Used SS screws at 6? o.c. but could not use the 1-1/2 screws provided by Tyco because they are too long. 
Ric
s/v Dadventure
Hampton Bays 




From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Jun 15 13:57:34 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 13:57:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
In-Reply-To: <001501d1c729$4addc710$e0995530$@ca>
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HI Graham
The aluminum rub rail was destroyed when the boat broke off its mooring last fall and landed against the rocks on the nearest beach. 
The aluminum rail was  corroded and on the list for replacement anyway, but all that fiberglass work was not on the list. 
Repairs are complete and the boat will be launched as soon as I get a few parts for the motor - on back order. 
I have no worries about screws removing themselves, I hit each screw with a touch of silicone prior to installation and there are more than 100 of them, so if and when the hull separates from the deck, I?ll be separated from this lifetime. Screws are much easier. 
The rail you showed looks nice.  I like the two color one though. Stan has been using a different one with a red insert and black base.  It looks great and Stan has the insert but not the base.  By the time I bought things separately, it would have  cost $400, so I opted for the less expensive solution. It looks pretty good .  
Ric
 s/v Dadventure 
Hampton bays 





> On Jun 15, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Ric:
> 
> Thanks for the response. That is very helpful and confirms what I thought was the construction of the hull-deck join. 
> 
> Of course every answer leads to another question: Did you replace the track or just the insert? Why did you switch from rivets to screws? As I understand it, the track and the rivets are integral to the strength of the join and I would worry that screws might work their way out while rivets are much less likely to.
> 
> I destroyed the aluminium track on my boat in the process of removing it so I have to start from scratch with a new rail and at this point am inclined towards the Tessilmare Radial Flexible Rub Rail (see http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=56893 ). It consists of a flexible track that and a PVC bumper cover. I thought I would use the same method of installation as on the boat originally - attaching the track with rivets or possibly even bolts if I can't find the rivets.
> 
> Does anyone know what rivets are used now for this purpose. I am thinking that 3/16 aluminium rivets with a grip of about .6" and a flat or countersink head looks about right but would very much appreciate having this confirmed or corrected.
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
> Sent: June 15, 2016 9:26 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
> 
> The aluminum Rub rail on my ?84 was riveted at 6?o.c.
> I just replaced it with a black vinyl/white insert from Defender $209. 50 ft is enough (it stretches) Used SS screws at 6? o.c. but could not use the 1-1/2 screws provided by Tyco because they are too long. 
> Ric
> s/v Dadventure
> Hampton Bays 
> 
> 
> 
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From 5399paul at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 14:45:06 2016
From: 5399paul at gmail.com (Paul)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 11:45:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
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Wheel steering is only for the outboard. Everything else is pure Stan,
tiller steering, vertical batten IMF main, 135% genoa.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:11 PM, ohecht [via Rhodes 22] <
ml-node+s1065344n52102h14 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul. I'm in Richmond and have been looking for my Rhodes for close to
> a year now. I'd love to get more pics of the boat and trailer along with
> any other details you can share. [hidden email]
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=52102&i=0>.
>
> Also, it's hard to tell from the picture, but is that a steering wheel for
> the "cockpit steering" you mentioned?  How did you rig that up, and I
> assume it's just for the motor and not the rudder itself...is that right?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Olivier
>
> > On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Paul <[hidden email]
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=52102&i=1>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All: We have downsized our life and are full time rv people now.
> Having
> > our Rhodes 22 just doesn't fit with our current lifestyle. So...selling
> 1988
> > recycled 2001 Rhodes. Includes trailer with new wheels and tires,
> bearings
> > and bunks. Miss Adventure has a 2005 Honda 9.9 four stroke with cockpit
> > mounted steering and controls, including power tilt. Both sails are new
> this
> > year, a 130% genoa and the new style vertical batten main, both self
> furling
> > of course. All cushions are excellent, two opening hatches, includes
> life
> > jackets, anchor, hand held vhf, all safety equipment. She is currently
> in
> > the water at Claytor Lake State Park. Will deliver to Mid Atlantic area.
> > $10,500. Reply or call me at 352-250-3210.
> > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52101/IMG_0068.jpg>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Paul
> > s/v Miss Adventure
> > 88/01 R22
> > The Villages FL
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Miss-Adventure-is-for-sale-tp52101.html
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From Austin.Abel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 17:19:45 2016
From: Austin.Abel at gmail.com (SwampFox)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 14:19:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
Message-ID: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>

Looks like I'm not the only one that bought a Rhodes for this sailing season. 
Just want to say Hey, and thank you for the wealth of knowledge on this
list. 
If anyone is sailing in New Orleans, I'd love to meet you. SwampFox will be
at the South Shore Marina.



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From snstaum at gmail.com  Wed Jun 15 18:06:54 2016
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 18:06:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
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Swamp Fox:  please tell us your name. 

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

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> On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:19 PM, SwampFox <Austin.Abel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Looks like I'm not the only one that bought a Rhodes for this sailing season. 
> Just want to say Hey, and thank you for the wealth of knowledge on this
> list. 
> If anyone is sailing in New Orleans, I'd love to meet you. SwampFox will be
> at the South Shore Marina.
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jun 15 20:07:13 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 20:07:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
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Ric:
So was that the Taco V11-0809BBK50-2 Rub Rail that you installed? And was the 50' kit long enough to go completely around the boat (I measure 55')? I can get it as a kit with a white insert for $301 Canadian. The Tessilmare would be $500.
Thanks for your help with this.

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: June 15, 2016 1:58 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening

HI Graham
The aluminum rub rail was destroyed when the boat broke off its mooring last fall and landed against the rocks on the nearest beach. 
The aluminum rail was  corroded and on the list for replacement anyway, but all that fiberglass work was not on the list. 
Repairs are complete and the boat will be launched as soon as I get a few parts for the motor - on back order. 
I have no worries about screws removing themselves, I hit each screw with a touch of silicone prior to installation and there are more than 100 of them, so if and when the hull separates from the deck, I?ll be separated from this lifetime. Screws are much easier. 
The rail you showed looks nice.  I like the two color one though. Stan has been using a different one with a red insert and black base.  It looks great and Stan has the insert but not the base.  By the time I bought things separately, it would have  cost $400, so I opted for the less expensive solution. It looks pretty good .  
Ric
 s/v Dadventure 
Hampton bays 





> On Jun 15, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Ric:
> 
> Thanks for the response. That is very helpful and confirms what I thought was the construction of the hull-deck join. 
> 
> Of course every answer leads to another question: Did you replace the track or just the insert? Why did you switch from rivets to screws? As I understand it, the track and the rivets are integral to the strength of the join and I would worry that screws might work their way out while rivets are much less likely to.
> 
> I destroyed the aluminium track on my boat in the process of removing it so I have to start from scratch with a new rail and at this point am inclined towards the Tessilmare Radial Flexible Rub Rail (see http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=56893 ). It consists of a flexible track that and a PVC bumper cover. I thought I would use the same method of installation as on the boat originally - attaching the track with rivets or possibly even bolts if I can't find the rivets.
> 
> Does anyone know what rivets are used now for this purpose. I am thinking that 3/16 aluminium rivets with a grip of about .6" and a flat or countersink head looks about right but would very much appreciate having this confirmed or corrected.
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
> Sent: June 15, 2016 9:26 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
> 
> The aluminum Rub rail on my ?84 was riveted at 6?o.c.
> I just replaced it with a black vinyl/white insert from Defender $209. 50 ft is enough (it stretches) Used SS screws at 6? o.c. but could not use the 1-1/2 screws provided by Tyco because they are too long. 
> Ric
> s/v Dadventure
> Hampton Bays 
> 
> 
> 
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From ric at steelbone.com  Thu Jun 16 08:24:12 2016
From: ric at steelbone.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:24:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
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Nope, it was the 50' #3447. Jamestown distributors, Defender and others carry it.
I paid $209 for it.  Pay attention to the screw length,head size and tightness.
You need a shorter SS screw than those supplied with a very flat head. Do not over tighten or the rubber will compress.
Ric
Sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Ric:
> So was that the Taco V11-0809BBK50-2 Rub Rail that you installed? And was the 50' kit long enough to go completely around the boat (I measure 55')? I can get it as a kit with a white insert for $301 Canadian. The Tessilmare would be $500.
> Thanks for your help with this.
> 
> Graham
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
> Sent: June 15, 2016 1:58 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
> 
> HI Graham
> The aluminum rub rail was destroyed when the boat broke off its mooring last fall and landed against the rocks on the nearest beach. 
> The aluminum rail was  corroded and on the list for replacement anyway, but all that fiberglass work was not on the list. 
> Repairs are complete and the boat will be launched as soon as I get a few parts for the motor - on back order. 
> I have no worries about screws removing themselves, I hit each screw with a touch of silicone prior to installation and there are more than 100 of them, so if and when the hull separates from the deck, I?ll be separated from this lifetime. Screws are much easier. 
> The rail you showed looks nice.  I like the two color one though. Stan has been using a different one with a red insert and black base.  It looks great and Stan has the insert but not the base.  By the time I bought things separately, it would have  cost $400, so I opted for the less expensive solution. It looks pretty good .  
> Ric
> s/v Dadventure 
> Hampton bays 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Ric:
>> 
>> Thanks for the response. That is very helpful and confirms what I thought was the construction of the hull-deck join. 
>> 
>> Of course every answer leads to another question: Did you replace the track or just the insert? Why did you switch from rivets to screws? As I understand it, the track and the rivets are integral to the strength of the join and I would worry that screws might work their way out while rivets are much less likely to.
>> 
>> I destroyed the aluminium track on my boat in the process of removing it so I have to start from scratch with a new rail and at this point am inclined towards the Tessilmare Radial Flexible Rub Rail (see http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=56893 ). It consists of a flexible track that and a PVC bumper cover. I thought I would use the same method of installation as on the boat originally - attaching the track with rivets or possibly even bolts if I can't find the rivets.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what rivets are used now for this purpose. I am thinking that 3/16 aluminium rivets with a grip of about .6" and a flat or countersink head looks about right but would very much appreciate having this confirmed or corrected.
>> 
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile. R22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
>> Sent: June 15, 2016 9:26 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
>> 
>> The aluminum Rub rail on my ?84 was riveted at 6?o.c.
>> I just replaced it with a black vinyl/white insert from Defender $209. 50 ft is enough (it stretches) Used SS screws at 6? o.c. but could not use the 1-1/2 screws provided by Tyco because they are too long. 
>> Ric
>> s/v Dadventure
>> Hampton Bays 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jun 16 08:26:34 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 12:26:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <B3331D53-30A3-42A4-92CF-E44981946E9B@gmail.com>
References: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <B3331D53-30A3-42A4-92CF-E44981946E9B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61d96d2588b3436d803fb3de70669804@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

And more importantly, what type of rum you drink! - Rob 

Rob Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner

Swamp Fox:  please tell us your name. 

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:19 PM, SwampFox <Austin.Abel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Looks like I'm not the only one that bought a Rhodes for this sailing season. 
> Just want to say Hey, and thank you for the wealth of knowledge on 
> this list.
> If anyone is sailing in New Orleans, I'd love to meet you. SwampFox 
> will be at the South Shore Marina.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/New-Rhodes-Owner-tp52106.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> __________________________________________________
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jun 16 08:48:45 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:48:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
In-Reply-To: <59B5F75D-6FC5-43B0-AA85-FA4881836281@steelbone.com>
References: <auto-000420380716@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
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 <3DB46734-E150-412D-BABE-CCAF2A436F54@me.com>
 <011901d1c6af$6c8e0c00$45aa2400$@ca>
 <E1369C06-3BE8-431D-93EA-9C6F86D8AAE8@stottarchitecture.com>
 <001501d1c729$4addc710$e0995530$@ca>
 <1558F7F1-2658-41CA-8C4D-07A5366ACB47@steelbone.com>
 <004d01d1c763$091fe530$1b5faf90$@ca>
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Message-ID: <000e01d1c7cd$6bace0d0$4306a270$@ca>

Ric:

Glad I asked. Good advice that is appreciated. I am so tired of learning from my mistakes.


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: June 16, 2016 8:24 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening

Nope, it was the 50' #3447. Jamestown distributors, Defender and others carry it.
I paid $209 for it.  Pay attention to the screw length,head size and tightness.
You need a shorter SS screw than those supplied with a very flat head. Do not over tighten or the rubber will compress.
Ric
Sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Ric:
> So was that the Taco V11-0809BBK50-2 Rub Rail that you installed? And was the 50' kit long enough to go completely around the boat (I measure 55')? I can get it as a kit with a white insert for $301 Canadian. The Tessilmare would be $500.
> Thanks for your help with this.
> 
> Graham
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> Behalf Of Richard Stott
> Sent: June 15, 2016 1:58 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
> 
> HI Graham
> The aluminum rub rail was destroyed when the boat broke off its mooring last fall and landed against the rocks on the nearest beach. 
> The aluminum rail was  corroded and on the list for replacement anyway, but all that fiberglass work was not on the list. 
> Repairs are complete and the boat will be launched as soon as I get a few parts for the motor - on back order. 
> I have no worries about screws removing themselves, I hit each screw with a touch of silicone prior to installation and there are more than 100 of them, so if and when the hull separates from the deck, I?ll be separated from this lifetime. Screws are much easier. 
> The rail you showed looks nice.  I like the two color one though. Stan has been using a different one with a red insert and black base.  It looks great and Stan has the insert but not the base.  By the time I bought things separately, it would have  cost $400, so I opted for the less expensive solution. It looks pretty good .  
> Ric
> s/v Dadventure
> Hampton bays
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Ric:
>> 
>> Thanks for the response. That is very helpful and confirms what I thought was the construction of the hull-deck join. 
>> 
>> Of course every answer leads to another question: Did you replace the track or just the insert? Why did you switch from rivets to screws? As I understand it, the track and the rivets are integral to the strength of the join and I would worry that screws might work their way out while rivets are much less likely to.
>> 
>> I destroyed the aluminium track on my boat in the process of removing it so I have to start from scratch with a new rail and at this point am inclined towards the Tessilmare Radial Flexible Rub Rail (see http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=56893 ). It consists of a flexible track that and a PVC bumper cover. I thought I would use the same method of installation as on the boat originally - attaching the track with rivets or possibly even bolts if I can't find the rivets.
>> 
>> Does anyone know what rivets are used now for this purpose. I am thinking that 3/16 aluminium rivets with a grip of about .6" and a flat or countersink head looks about right but would very much appreciate having this confirmed or corrected.
>> 
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile. R22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Stott
>> Sent: June 15, 2016 9:26 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
>> 
>> The aluminum Rub rail on my ?84 was riveted at 6?o.c.
>> I just replaced it with a black vinyl/white insert from Defender $209. 50 ft is enough (it stretches) Used SS screws at 6? o.c. but could not use the 1-1/2 screws provided by Tyco because they are too long. 
>> Ric
>> s/v Dadventure
>> Hampton Bays
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>> __________________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> 
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jun 16 08:53:59 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:53:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <61d96d2588b3436d803fb3de70669804@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
References: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <B3331D53-30A3-42A4-92CF-E44981946E9B@gmail.com>
 <61d96d2588b3436d803fb3de70669804@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <000f01d1c7ce$266ad120$73407360$@ca>

Rummy was a fountain of useful information but none was better than his
enthusiastic endorsement of Mont Gay rum. I have become a regular user and
think of him every time. I think we should make it the official Rhodes 22
drink and perhaps make is mandatory for new people joining the list. Can we
do that?


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Lowe, Rob
Sent: June 16, 2016 8:27 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner

And more importantly, what type of rum you drink! - Rob 

Rob Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Stephen Staum
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner

Swamp Fox:  please tell us your name. 

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:19 PM, SwampFox <Austin.Abel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Looks like I'm not the only one that bought a Rhodes for this sailing
season. 
> Just want to say Hey, and thank you for the wealth of knowledge on 
> this list.
> If anyone is sailing in New Orleans, I'd love to meet you. SwampFox 
> will be at the South Shore Marina.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context: 
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/New-Rhodes-Owner-tp52106.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> __________________________________________________
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 09:26:25 2016
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:26:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <000f01d1c7ce$266ad120$73407360$@ca>
References: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <B3331D53-30A3-42A4-92CF-E44981946E9B@gmail.com>
 <61d96d2588b3436d803fb3de70669804@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
 <000f01d1c7ce$266ad120$73407360$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjc2UdU4NBo2g7JKgNr77QtYGOuQ_+j7NZDo-KSuaA3QQA@mail.gmail.com>

Graham,

I am a scotch and vodka drinker but I have a small bottle of Mt Gay on
board and will toast Rummy after our first sail of the season this
Saturday.  We just launched last weekend.

I encourage all Rhodies to join me in a sunset toast.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA
on the mooring in Quincy


*Stephen Staum*

*Pariser Industries, Inc.*

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Rummy was a fountain of useful information but none was better than his
> enthusiastic endorsement of Mont Gay rum. I have become a regular user and
> think of him every time. I think we should make it the official Rhodes 22
> drink and perhaps make is mandatory for new people joining the list. Can we
> do that?
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: June 16, 2016 8:27 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
>
> And more importantly, what type of rum you drink! - Rob
>
> Rob Lowe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Stephen Staum
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:07 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
>
> Swamp Fox:  please tell us your name.
>
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
> Needham, MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:19 PM, SwampFox <Austin.Abel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like I'm not the only one that bought a Rhodes for this sailing
> season.
> > Just want to say Hey, and thank you for the wealth of knowledge on
> > this list.
> > If anyone is sailing in New Orleans, I'd love to meet you. SwampFox
> > will be at the South Shore Marina.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > View this message in context:
> > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/New-Rhodes-Owner-tp52106.html
> > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
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> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Jun 16 09:37:51 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:37:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
In-Reply-To: <000e01d1c7cd$6bace0d0$4306a270$@ca>
References: <auto-000420380716@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
 <CABkv36btpNcbVNXB80=gzuWdFwkrd83euK9gr9p2EL-euS8D+A@mail.gmail.com>
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 <3DB46734-E150-412D-BABE-CCAF2A436F54@me.com>
 <011901d1c6af$6c8e0c00$45aa2400$@ca>
 <E1369C06-3BE8-431D-93EA-9C6F86D8AAE8@stottarchitecture.com>
 <001501d1c729$4addc710$e0995530$@ca>
 <1558F7F1-2658-41CA-8C4D-07A5366ACB47@steelbone.com>
 <004d01d1c763$091fe530$1b5faf90$@ca>
 <59B5F75D-6FC5-43B0-AA85-FA4881836281@steelbone.com>
 <000e01d1c7cd$6bace0d0$4306a270$@ca>
Message-ID: <888F13BD-AE41-4DAF-9B2D-84AF33389C26@stottarchitecture.com>

Graham
Your quite welcome. 
The 1-1/4? base fits under the stern pulpit bracket on my boat, while the 1-1/2? Taco V11-9795, the one I like better, would have needed to be trimmed around the brackets. Plus, it?s only available in black/black or white/white from the distributors. Stan has  a Red insert for the 9795 base, which looks great on his rebuilds, but it was too costly and too complicated for me to get that look.  
Ric 
Dadventure 
Hamton Bays 




> On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Ric:
> 
> Glad I asked. Good advice that is appreciated. I am so tired of learning from my mistakes.
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott
> Sent: June 16, 2016 8:24 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
> 
> Nope, it was the 50' #3447. Jamestown distributors, Defender and others carry it.
> I paid $209 for it.  Pay attention to the screw length,head size and tightness.
> You need a shorter SS screw than those supplied with a very flat head. Do not over tighten or the rubber will compress.
> Ric
> Sv Dadventure
> Hampton Bays
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 8:07 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Ric:
>> So was that the Taco V11-0809BBK50-2 Rub Rail that you installed? And was the 50' kit long enough to go completely around the boat (I measure 55')? I can get it as a kit with a white insert for $301 Canadian. The Tessilmare would be $500.
>> Thanks for your help with this.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Stott
>> Sent: June 15, 2016 1:58 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
>> 
>> HI Graham
>> The aluminum rub rail was destroyed when the boat broke off its mooring last fall and landed against the rocks on the nearest beach. 
>> The aluminum rail was  corroded and on the list for replacement anyway, but all that fiberglass work was not on the list. 
>> Repairs are complete and the boat will be launched as soon as I get a few parts for the motor - on back order. 
>> I have no worries about screws removing themselves, I hit each screw with a touch of silicone prior to installation and there are more than 100 of them, so if and when the hull separates from the deck, I?ll be separated from this lifetime. Screws are much easier. 
>> The rail you showed looks nice.  I like the two color one though. Stan has been using a different one with a red insert and black base.  It looks great and Stan has the insert but not the base.  By the time I bought things separately, it would have  cost $400, so I opted for the less expensive solution. It looks pretty good .  
>> Ric
>> s/v Dadventure
>> Hampton bays
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 1:13 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ric:
>>> 
>>> Thanks for the response. That is very helpful and confirms what I thought was the construction of the hull-deck join. 
>>> 
>>> Of course every answer leads to another question: Did you replace the track or just the insert? Why did you switch from rivets to screws? As I understand it, the track and the rivets are integral to the strength of the join and I would worry that screws might work their way out while rivets are much less likely to.
>>> 
>>> I destroyed the aluminium track on my boat in the process of removing it so I have to start from scratch with a new rail and at this point am inclined towards the Tessilmare Radial Flexible Rub Rail (see http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=56893 ). It consists of a flexible track that and a PVC bumper cover. I thought I would use the same method of installation as on the boat originally - attaching the track with rivets or possibly even bolts if I can't find the rivets.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know what rivets are used now for this purpose. I am thinking that 3/16 aluminium rivets with a grip of about .6" and a flat or countersink head looks about right but would very much appreciate having this confirmed or corrected.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Graham Stewart
>>> Agile. R22, 1976
>>> Kingston Ontario Canada
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Richard Stott
>>> Sent: June 15, 2016 9:26 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] hull-deck join fastening
>>> 
>>> The aluminum Rub rail on my ?84 was riveted at 6?o.c.
>>> I just replaced it with a black vinyl/white insert from Defender $209. 50 ft is enough (it stretches) Used SS screws at 6? o.c. but could not use the 1-1/2 screws provided by Tyco because they are too long. 
>>> Ric
>>> s/v Dadventure
>>> Hampton Bays
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>>> __________________________________________________
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
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>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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>> 
>> __________________________________________________
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From Austin.Abel at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 12:52:30 2016
From: Austin.Abel at gmail.com (SwampFox)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:52:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
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I'm Austin Abel in New Orleans and I'm an Appleton's guy, although I believe
Meyers Dark hold a distinguished place at my bar. 

This is my first boat, so it'll be a grand adventure. 



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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jun 16 13:54:44 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:54:44 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
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Paul,
What's the deal?  Pull her all the way to our lake and then decide to sell her?  I think we are somewhat insulted.

Anyone care to make a trip to SW Virginia to check on Miss Adventure can look at her and two other Rhodes at the same time (only one for sale though).  Both Cary with Whisper and I with my still-no-name boat are all at the same marina.  Come visit.

Rob Lowe
S/V still no name

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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:39 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale

Hi All: We have downsized our life and are full time rv people now. Having our Rhodes 22 just doesn't fit with our current lifestyle. So...selling 1988 recycled 2001 Rhodes. Includes trailer with new wheels and tires, bearings and bunks. Miss Adventure has a 2005 Honda 9.9 four stroke with cockpit mounted steering and controls, including power tilt. Both sails are new this year, a 130% genoa and the new style vertical batten main, both self furling of course. All cushions are excellent, two opening hatches, includes life jackets, anchor, hand held vhf, all safety equipment. She is currently in the water at Claytor Lake State Park. Will deliver to Mid Atlantic area.
$10,500. Reply or call me at 352-250-3210. 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52101/IMG_0068.jpg> 



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88/01 R22
The Villages FL
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 16 13:59:06 2016
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:59:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
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I was lucky enough to get the Rummy welcome, though he passed soon after.   
In his honor bought a bottle.   I will bring a flask sailing Saturday.  To
Rummy, to old and new Rhodies both.  

Welcome Austin.   

Alex Cole 




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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 16 14:20:51 2016
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:20:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First post, purchased an 89 Rhodes this spring.
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Welcome.  I look forward to hearing how that autopilot gets used.

Alex



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From 5399paul at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 15:43:27 2016
From: 5399paul at gmail.com (Paul Hofmann)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:43:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
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Please don't be insulted. Living full time in a travel trailer and owning a
sailboat is not s good mix. Maybe we should buy a big motor home so we can
take Miss Adventure in tow?

On Thursday, June 16, 2016, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Paul,
> What's the deal?  Pull her all the way to our lake and then decide to sell
> her?  I think we are somewhat insulted.
>
> Anyone care to make a trip to SW Virginia to check on Miss Adventure can
> look at her and two other Rhodes at the same time (only one for sale
> though).  Both Cary with Whisper and I with my still-no-name boat are all
> at the same marina.  Come visit.
>
> Rob Lowe
> S/V still no name
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
> <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Paul
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:39 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <javascript:;>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Miss Adventure is for sale
>
> Hi All: We have downsized our life and are full time rv people now. Having
> our Rhodes 22 just doesn't fit with our current lifestyle. So...selling
> 1988 recycled 2001 Rhodes. Includes trailer with new wheels and tires,
> bearings and bunks. Miss Adventure has a 2005 Honda 9.9 four stroke with
> cockpit mounted steering and controls, including power tilt. Both sails are
> new this year, a 130% genoa and the new style vertical batten main, both
> self furling of course. All cushions are excellent, two opening hatches,
> includes life jackets, anchor, hand held vhf, all safety equipment. She is
> currently in the water at Claytor Lake State Park. Will deliver to Mid
> Atlantic area.
> $10,500. Reply or call me at 352-250-3210.
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52101/IMG_0068.jpg>
>
>
>
> -----
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> 88/01 R22
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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 18:42:20 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:42:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First post, purchased an 89 Rhodes this spring.
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I have always had autopilots and use them almost all the time when conditions
permit. My last one was a wheel pilot. Obviously, this one is a Tillerpilot,
model 2000 plus.  It works fine, both steering and tacking as long as the
wind is a relatively steady direction, or under power.  I've mounted it stb
side coaming to the top of the tiller, which is close enough to level, and
18" forward of the pintels. Had to add 8" of extension rods to make it long
enough.   I also saved the remote control from my old boat, which is
wonderful. 



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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 19:29:05 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:29:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
Message-ID: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>

My new/used 89 Rhodes22 came with a 5 year old Triad custom trailer.  

First, the simple question:  Brakes are rusted and unusable without service,
and I was told it is not worth trying to keep them working since the boat is
launched in salt water.  What do you think? 

Second:   The trailer is the custom built Triad Rhodes 22 model. ei. no
adjustments other than extending the v shaped bow cushion arm that the stem
is snug into.  When the boat was last loaded it appears to have been pulled
up toop far on the trailer.  First, the tongue weight appeared really heavy
based on the effort needed to crank up the swivel wheel and the load when
hitched to a large tow vehicle.  Second, the forward end of the long bunks
was denting the hull on both sides. I put a temporary cross piece in about 6
feet aft of the bow and jacked up several inches to take the load there in
order to pop the dents back out.   I have since launched the boat for the
season but need to figure out how to set up the trailer better before
reloading this fall. 
If I extend to v shaped cushion arm out all the way I can move the boat
about 6-8" farther back on the trailer. That will help some, as the hull
will be a little thinner and less weight will be forward of the bunks.  But
I don't think that will be enough.   Plus, when I look at the trailer, I'm
surprised that ALL the weight is on those two long bunks.  There is nothing
under the keel, nor under the bow section.  I don't understand why it was
done like that.  Anybody with a Triad trailer that can help me?

Talbot
Rhodes22 89/08  "Remains Nameless"



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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 19:44:08 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:44:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
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Can I down a stout and pretend it's rum? I'm a lightweight when it comes to
that hard stuff. 

Talbot Pratt
S/V  Remains Nameless
Red bank, NJ  



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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jun 16 21:05:08 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 21:05:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Talbot:
My trailer doesn't have brakes and I am on fresh water so I can't advise you
there but it would seem odd to me that no trailer used in salt water has
brakes that can be maintained. I would look into what maintenance is needed.
On the other hand, if you don't do much towing brakes may be unnecessary
depending on the tow vehicle that you use.

It is possible that the tongue jack needs to be greased if it seems
unreasonably difficult to use.

The weight on the tongue should be about 10 to 15% of the total weight of
the trailer and boat. Depending on what you have on board that could easily
add up to well over 3000 pounds so the tongue weight could be pretty
substantial. There are ways to weigh the tongue using bathroom scales. If
your scales do not go that high you can use a lever arrangement to calculate
the weight (see
https://www.etrailer.com/faq-how-to-determine-trailer-tongue-weight.aspx )
Weigh the tongue when the boat is on it and if it is within range, about 300
to 400 pounds, leave it alone. If it is off significantly you can adjust the
placement of the boat or also redistribute the weight in the boat. Very
small adjustments can make a big difference to the tongue weight.

Don't put the boat back further on the trailer to lighten the tongue weight
below 10% of the total weight. In that situation you can generate very
severe and dangerous sway. Watch carefully how the trailer tows especially
as you gain speed. If you see any sign of sway slow down until you can move
the boat forward. Sway can kill you. 

Personally, I have found that the problem is to get the boat far enough
forward.

The indentations on the hull by the forward struts of the bunks is
apparently "normal" in older boats. On my boat (76) the indentations appear
to be permanent. I jacked the bow up for two years and the indentations
remained. When I stripped the hull of antifouling paint I found a lattice
work of hairline cracks in the gel coat. Still, the boat is now 40 years old
so I probably should not worry about it. 

Newer boats have thicker hulls and so the problem has apparently been
lessened. I don't know when this change occurred but Stan can tell you.
Whether the indentations remain once the boat is in the water and whether it
really makes a difference anyway is a matter that has been debated on this
forum without resolution. Personally, I have considered reinforcing that
section of the hull after I launch the boat. Hopefully the indents will
disappear first but I doubt it. 

The boat rests on the bunks alone. There is no support needed or desirable
under the keel. You don't want to damage the centerboard housing/keel. I did
and it is a very difficult fix to perform.

I would not advise making changes to the trailer other than fixing the
brakes. These trailers have been used with the Rhodes 22 for many decades
and have stood the test of time. 

Good luck

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
talbotpratt
Sent: June 16, 2016 7:29 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

My new/used 89 Rhodes22 came with a 5 year old Triad custom trailer.  

First, the simple question:  Brakes are rusted and unusable without service,
and I was told it is not worth trying to keep them working since the boat is
launched in salt water.  What do you think? 

Second:   The trailer is the custom built Triad Rhodes 22 model. ei. no
adjustments other than extending the v shaped bow cushion arm that the stem
is snug into.  When the boat was last loaded it appears to have been pulled
up toop far on the trailer.  First, the tongue weight appeared really heavy
based on the effort needed to crank up the swivel wheel and the load when
hitched to a large tow vehicle.  Second, the forward end of the long bunks
was denting the hull on both sides. I put a temporary cross piece in about 6
feet aft of the bow and jacked up several inches to take the load there in
order to pop the dents back out.   I have since launched the boat for the
season but need to figure out how to set up the trailer better before
reloading this fall. 
If I extend to v shaped cushion arm out all the way I can move the boat
about 6-8" farther back on the trailer. That will help some, as the hull
will be a little thinner and less weight will be forward of the bunks.  But
I don't think that will be enough.   Plus, when I look at the trailer, I'm
surprised that ALL the weight is on those two long bunks.  There is nothing
under the keel, nor under the bow section.  I don't understand why it was
done like that.  Anybody with a Triad trailer that can help me?

Talbot
Rhodes22 89/08  "Remains Nameless"



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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jun 16 21:06:09 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 21:06:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
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Yes you can drink anything else but it doesn't count officially.


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




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Can I down a stout and pretend it's rum? I'm a lightweight when it comes to
that hard stuff. 

Talbot Pratt
S/V  Remains Nameless
Red bank, NJ  



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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 16 21:24:24 2016
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:24:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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 Not sure about brakes, if you are in salt water twice yearly can't you hose
them off afterward  like a Cleveland car in spring?

This photo shows improper loading too far back, from the first time I pulled
her out last fall.   Insufficient tongue weight and scary sway at speeds
less then 50 mph resulted.  It also would teeter totter when I climbed the
swim ladder.   A delivery photo shows the single axle centered close to the
grab rail, behind the aft portlight.  When I tried to duplicate that it was
heavy on the tongue jack, bending it some when I tried to move it in the
drive like my little boat.  The boat trailered ok over 60 mph with the
explorer.   I cannot imagine my hull oil canning on this boat.  

Perhaps others have tricks when ramp loading?   I had to circle around and
adjust the boat when I pulled out for my aborted 'cruise' this spring, but
it did drive much better so at least it was a successful test transport.   

Alex




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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 16 21:36:49 2016
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:36:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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<nabble_img src="image470.jpeg" border="0"/

Sorry, I'm fighting nabble and iPad technology.  I hope 4 photos don't
suddenly show up.

Alex



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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Thu Jun 16 21:36:59 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 21:36:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Hi Talbot

Over the years I have delivered quite a few boats for Stan, including a
3000 mile trip from Edenton to Seattle. I have experienced a mishmash of
trailers including a single axle Traid, a double axle Traid and several
others. Mishaps included burnt-out bearings, shredded tires, broken bunks,
rusted brakes and unbalanced loads.

As a rule-of-thumb I always carry a spare set of bearings, a spare
tail-light wiring harness, spare tail-light bulbs, spare tire (or 2) and a
trailer jack. I usually load the boat with a space of about 8" to 10" from
the V-shaped cushion (it should not be right up against it) and I strap the
boat to the trailer with tie-downs. Its nice to have trailer brakes, but I
am equally comfortable without them....it's not a huge load.

Hope this helps






~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 7:29 PM, talbotpratt <talbotpratt at gmail.com> wrote:

> My new/used 89 Rhodes22 came with a 5 year old Triad custom trailer.
>
> First, the simple question:  Brakes are rusted and unusable without
> service,
> and I was told it is not worth trying to keep them working since the boat
> is
> launched in salt water.  What do you think?
>
> Second:   The trailer is the custom built Triad Rhodes 22 model. ei. no
> adjustments other than extending the v shaped bow cushion arm that the stem
> is snug into.  When the boat was last loaded it appears to have been pulled
> up toop far on the trailer.  First, the tongue weight appeared really heavy
> based on the effort needed to crank up the swivel wheel and the load when
> hitched to a large tow vehicle.  Second, the forward end of the long bunks
> was denting the hull on both sides. I put a temporary cross piece in about
> 6
> feet aft of the bow and jacked up several inches to take the load there in
> order to pop the dents back out.   I have since launched the boat for the
> season but need to figure out how to set up the trailer better before
> reloading this fall.
> If I extend to v shaped cushion arm out all the way I can move the boat
> about 6-8" farther back on the trailer. That will help some, as the hull
> will be a little thinner and less weight will be forward of the bunks.  But
> I don't think that will be enough.   Plus, when I look at the trailer, I'm
> surprised that ALL the weight is on those two long bunks.  There is nothing
> under the keel, nor under the bow section.  I don't understand why it was
> done like that.  Anybody with a Triad trailer that can help me?
>
> Talbot
> Rhodes22 89/08  "Remains Nameless"
>
>
>
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 16 22:06:37 2016
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 02:06:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
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That is interesting. I have never in 23 years of having a Rhodes and a triad trailer been able to load the boat far enough forward to have too much tongue weight. I usually float boat as far firward on trailer as possible and the act of hauling her out the boat loads back a little. If I don't snug her tight enough to the V cushion she will end up with negative tongue weight. After haul out the V cushion slides out to the boat to stabilize during transit. 

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman
s/v Daydreams
98 R 22

> On Jun 16, 2016, at 6:29 PM, talbotpratt <talbotpratt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My new/used 89 Rhodes22 came with a 5 year old Triad custom trailer.  
> 
> First, the simple question:  Brakes are rusted and unusable without service,
> and I was told it is not worth trying to keep them working since the boat is
> launched in salt water.  What do you think? 
> 
> Second:   The trailer is the custom built Triad Rhodes 22 model. ei. no
> adjustments other than extending the v shaped bow cushion arm that the stem
> is snug into.  When the boat was last loaded it appears to have been pulled
> up toop far on the trailer.  First, the tongue weight appeared really heavy
> based on the effort needed to crank up the swivel wheel and the load when
> hitched to a large tow vehicle.  Second, the forward end of the long bunks
> was denting the hull on both sides. I put a temporary cross piece in about 6
> feet aft of the bow and jacked up several inches to take the load there in
> order to pop the dents back out.   I have since launched the boat for the
> season but need to figure out how to set up the trailer better before
> reloading this fall. 
> If I extend to v shaped cushion arm out all the way I can move the boat
> about 6-8" farther back on the trailer. That will help some, as the hull
> will be a little thinner and less weight will be forward of the bunks.  But
> I don't think that will be enough.   Plus, when I look at the trailer, I'm
> surprised that ALL the weight is on those two long bunks.  There is nothing
> under the keel, nor under the bow section.  I don't understand why it was
> done like that.  Anybody with a Triad trailer that can help me?
> 
> Talbot
> Rhodes22 89/08  "Remains Nameless"
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Jun 17 09:08:39 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:08:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <007401d1c834$4a9ddf90$dfd99eb0$@ca>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
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This is a timely discussion. 
I just bought a trailer from Mike Weisner (WindLass - Nissequogue, NY ). 
I don?t need a new project, but for $400 and after a long trip, it was hard to refuse.
I never had a trailer, always had it hauled to and from my driveway for $160 ea way. 
Now I have a project and an empty rusty trailer to store and look at all summer.  
Its far from ready, so I?ll use my hauler to launch and hopefully Haul it in the fall on a refurbished trailer. 
If anyone can include some photos of what a single axle trailer is supposed to look like, I would greatly appreciate it. 
Ric 
s/v Dadventure 
Hampton bays



> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:05 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Talbot:
> My trailer doesn't have brakes and I am on fresh water so I can't advise you
> there but it would seem odd to me that no trailer used in salt water has
> brakes that can be maintained. I would look into what maintenance is needed.
> On the other hand, if you don't do much towing brakes may be unnecessary
> depending on the tow vehicle that you use.
> 
> It is possible that the tongue jack needs to be greased if it seems
> unreasonably difficult to use.
> 
> The weight on the tongue should be about 10 to 15% of the total weight of
> the trailer and boat. Depending on what you have on board that could easily
> add up to well over 3000 pounds so the tongue weight could be pretty
> substantial. There are ways to weigh the tongue using bathroom scales. If
> your scales do not go that high you can use a lever arrangement to calculate
> the weight (see
> https://www.etrailer.com/faq-how-to-determine-trailer-tongue-weight.aspx )
> Weigh the tongue when the boat is on it and if it is within range, about 300
> to 400 pounds, leave it alone. If it is off significantly you can adjust the
> placement of the boat or also redistribute the weight in the boat. Very
> small adjustments can make a big difference to the tongue weight.
> 
> Don't put the boat back further on the trailer to lighten the tongue weight
> below 10% of the total weight. In that situation you can generate very
> severe and dangerous sway. Watch carefully how the trailer tows especially
> as you gain speed. If you see any sign of sway slow down until you can move
> the boat forward. Sway can kill you. 
> 
> Personally, I have found that the problem is to get the boat far enough
> forward.
> 
> The indentations on the hull by the forward struts of the bunks is
> apparently "normal" in older boats. On my boat (76) the indentations appear
> to be permanent. I jacked the bow up for two years and the indentations
> remained. When I stripped the hull of antifouling paint I found a lattice
> work of hairline cracks in the gel coat. Still, the boat is now 40 years old
> so I probably should not worry about it. 
> 
> Newer boats have thicker hulls and so the problem has apparently been
> lessened. I don't know when this change occurred but Stan can tell you.
> Whether the indentations remain once the boat is in the water and whether it
> really makes a difference anyway is a matter that has been debated on this
> forum without resolution. Personally, I have considered reinforcing that
> section of the hull after I launch the boat. Hopefully the indents will
> disappear first but I doubt it. 
> 
> The boat rests on the bunks alone. There is no support needed or desirable
> under the keel. You don't want to damage the centerboard housing/keel. I did
> and it is a very difficult fix to perform.
> 
> I would not advise making changes to the trailer other than fixing the
> brakes. These trailers have been used with the Rhodes 22 for many decades
> and have stood the test of time. 
> 
> Good luck
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> talbotpratt
> Sent: June 16, 2016 7:29 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
> 
> My new/used 89 Rhodes22 came with a 5 year old Triad custom trailer.  
> 
> First, the simple question:  Brakes are rusted and unusable without service,
> and I was told it is not worth trying to keep them working since the boat is
> launched in salt water.  What do you think? 
> 
> Second:   The trailer is the custom built Triad Rhodes 22 model. ei. no
> adjustments other than extending the v shaped bow cushion arm that the stem
> is snug into.  When the boat was last loaded it appears to have been pulled
> up toop far on the trailer.  First, the tongue weight appeared really heavy
> based on the effort needed to crank up the swivel wheel and the load when
> hitched to a large tow vehicle.  Second, the forward end of the long bunks
> was denting the hull on both sides. I put a temporary cross piece in about 6
> feet aft of the bow and jacked up several inches to take the load there in
> order to pop the dents back out.   I have since launched the boat for the
> season but need to figure out how to set up the trailer better before
> reloading this fall. 
> If I extend to v shaped cushion arm out all the way I can move the boat
> about 6-8" farther back on the trailer. That will help some, as the hull
> will be a little thinner and less weight will be forward of the bunks.  But
> I don't think that will be enough.   Plus, when I look at the trailer, I'm
> surprised that ALL the weight is on those two long bunks.  There is nothing
> under the keel, nor under the bow section.  I don't understand why it was
> done like that.  Anybody with a Triad trailer that can help me?
> 
> Talbot
> Rhodes22 89/08  "Remains Nameless"
> 
> 
> 
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Triad-Trailer-brakes-and-adjustments-
> tp52121.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jun 17 09:21:28 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 13:21:28 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <F5B3842B-2B64-440C-A789-F2B304BBC402@steelbone.com>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <e25f312347204aff8dcfb0cabaa5c7f1@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Ric,
Here is a diagram of the trailer posted some time ago:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200404/08/Trailersketch.jpg

Alex tried to post this photo, not sure it came through on the list.  Scroll down to find the photo:
http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Triad-Trailer-brakes-and-adjustments-td52121.html#a52125
It shows a fairly well loaded trailer.  My rule of thumb is to get the rear of the rear most port over the axle.  I too, have never had a problem getting the boat too far forward.  Now too far back can be dangerous as was pointed out.

Rob Lowe
S/V nameless

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 9:09 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

This is a timely discussion. 
I just bought a trailer from Mike Weisner (WindLass - Nissequogue, NY ). 
I don?t need a new project, but for $400 and after a long trip, it was hard to refuse.
I never had a trailer, always had it hauled to and from my driveway for $160 ea way. 
Now I have a project and an empty rusty trailer to store and look at all summer.  
Its far from ready, so I?ll use my hauler to launch and hopefully Haul it in the fall on a refurbished trailer. 
If anyone can include some photos of what a single axle trailer is supposed to look like, I would greatly appreciate it. 
Ric
s/v Dadventure
Hampton bays


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jun 17 09:38:27 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <1466120648032-52122.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <B3331D53-30A3-42A4-92CF-E44981946E9B@gmail.com>
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My preference is a Founders Imperial Stout or their Dark Porter.  Excellent
dark beers, IMHO.

I only drink rum in honor of Rummy and only on special occasions.  I don't
need an occasion to enjoy a good beer.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: On Behalf Of talbotpratt

Can I down a stout and pretend it's rum? I'm a lightweight when it comes to
that hard stuff. 

Talbot Pratt
S/V  Remains Nameless
Red bank, NJ  


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Jun 17 10:03:56 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:03:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <00a701d1c89d$8923f1f0$9b6bd5d0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Aye mates! 
Ya don know wa cha missin!
A tot for Rummy ?ll hurtcha none. 
A toast for he who's risen. 
Put down ye brews and porter teas
And pour yoself a roun'
Of pure Barbados spirit
Tomorrow at sundown. 
Ric 
s/v Dadventure
Hampton Bays 

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> My preference is a Founders Imperial Stout or their Dark Porter.  Excellent
> dark beers, IMHO.
> 
> I only drink rum in honor of Rummy and only on special occasions.  I don't
> need an occasion to enjoy a good beer.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> From: On Behalf Of talbotpratt
> 
> Can I down a stout and pretend it's rum? I'm a lightweight when it comes to
> that hard stuff. 
> 
> Talbot Pratt
> S/V  Remains Nameless
> Red bank, NJ  
> 
> __________________________________________________
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Jun 17 10:05:12 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:05:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A rum for rummy
In-Reply-To: <C394DCD8-85C5-4FA5-AA92-215025159FA7@stottarchitecture.com>
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I forgot to change the Subject line 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> Aye mates! 
> Ya don know wa cha missin!
> A tot for Rummy ?ll hurtcha none. 
> A toast for he who's risen. 
> Put down ye brews and porter teas
> And pour yoself a roun'
> Of pure Barbados spirit
> Tomorrow at sundown. 
> Ric 
> s/v Dadventure
> Hampton Bays 
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My preference is a Founders Imperial Stout or their Dark Porter.  Excellent
>> dark beers, IMHO.
>> 
>> I only drink rum in honor of Rummy and only on special occasions.  I don't
>> need an occasion to enjoy a good beer.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> From: On Behalf Of talbotpratt
>> 
>> Can I down a stout and pretend it's rum? I'm a lightweight when it comes to
>> that hard stuff. 
>> 
>> Talbot Pratt
>> S/V  Remains Nameless
>> Red bank, NJ  
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jun 17 10:12:33 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:12:33 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A rum for rummy
In-Reply-To: <C3ED4BBE-FE81-436C-8B22-C958A3618B4D@stottarchitecture.com>
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Ric,
I'm in.  A toast to Rummy with rum at sundown tomorrow.  A most fitting remembrance. 

Rob  

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 10:05 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A rum for rummy

I forgot to change the Subject line 
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 10:03 AM, Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> Aye mates! 
> Ya don know wa cha missin!
> A tot for Rummy ?ll hurtcha none. 
> A toast for he who's risen. 
> Put down ye brews and porter teas
> And pour yoself a roun'
> Of pure Barbados spirit
> Tomorrow at sundown. 
> Ric
> s/v Dadventure
> Hampton Bays
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 9:38 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My preference is a Founders Imperial Stout or their Dark Porter.  
>> Excellent dark beers, IMHO.
>> 
>> I only drink rum in honor of Rummy and only on special occasions.  I 
>> don't need an occasion to enjoy a good beer.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> From: On Behalf Of talbotpratt
>> 
>> Can I down a stout and pretend it's rum? I'm a lightweight when it 
>> comes to that hard stuff.
>> 
>> Talbot Pratt
>> S/V  Remains Nameless
>> Red bank, NJ
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>> __________________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 10:13:22 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 07:13:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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You folks are awesome! Thanks so much as there is lots of good info here.
I wish I had taken better pictures of the boat on the trailer.  From the
couple that I have, it looks like the aft port is slightly forward of the
axle, despite the ability to move the boat even further forward...should one
desire, by collapsing the v cushion arm even more forward.  I think I
noticed in Alex's photo that his v cushion arm is slid forward already.  So
that's kinda strange. So I'm thinking, for whatever reason, that I should
try loading it with the port over the axle this fall.  Maybe our bow
uprights are slightly different?? 
Does this link to google photos work? 
https://goo.gl/photos/RDXVJDL71S2htQNC8

Here is the temporary bunk I used to pop the dent out:
https://goo.gl/photos/YRudZFZBtwnp1QAw9  . This also shows how extended the
bow v cushion is already, in comparison to Alex's

I'm thinking there was abouts 500lbs on the tonque, and yes my trailer
swivel need replacement. Also I have a new 9.9 Susuki with all options
hanging off the back...heavy motor.  But not much gear in the boat. 

I found a pretty cool way to mount the engine controls under the port
cockpit seat and could share my autopilot installation, if anybody is
interested. 

Talbot



-----
Talbot Pratt
S/V  "Remains Nameless"
Red bank, NJ  978 801 1602
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Jun 17 10:15:29 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:15:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Alex 
I don?t see an image here 
Can you try again? 
Ric 
sv Dadventure 

> On Jun 16, 2016, at 9:36 PM, S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> <nabble_img src="image470.jpeg" border="0"/
> 
> Sorry, I'm fighting nabble and iPad technology.  I hope 4 photos don't
> suddenly show up.
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
> 
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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 10:28:20 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 07:28:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <00a701d1c89d$8923f1f0$9b6bd5d0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>
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I drank a snifter of the official British Navy Rum at a party (usually
mixed half and half with water to make grog) about 20 years ago. It was
delicious and came with good stories from the supplier.  FYI they stopped
issuing twice daily grog to all British sailors in the 1960s because some
admiral realized that their ships were now carrying nuclear weapons.

Talbot


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:38 AM mweisner at ebsmed.com [via Rhodes 22] <
ml-node+s1065344n52131h40 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> My preference is a Founders Imperial Stout or their Dark Porter.
> Excellent
> dark beers, IMHO.
>
> I only drink rum in honor of Rummy and only on special occasions.  I don't
> need an occasion to enjoy a good beer.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> From: On Behalf Of talbotpratt
>
> Can I down a stout and pretend it's rum? I'm a lightweight when it comes
> to
> that hard stuff.
>
> Talbot Pratt
> S/V  Remains Nameless
> Red bank, NJ
>
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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 10:31:46 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 07:31:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Did my image links work?




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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Jun 17 10:41:40 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:41:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer support
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I have the image now, thanks 
I?d love to see a photo of a single axel trailer without the boat on it.
Even better with close ups of the bunks, bunk supports, the ?V? shape 2 x 6s.
On my new purchase, there are two parallel and sloped 2 x 6s for the area under the keel. 
I don?t know how these play into structural support or if they are only there to guide the boat onto the trailer at retrieval. 
Ric 
sv Dadventure 
Hampton Bays

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 10:31 AM, talbotpratt <talbotpratt at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Did my image links work?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Jun 17 10:44:17 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <1466172802643-52135.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <000f01d1c8a6$b9bd91f0$2d38b5d0$@ca>

Talbot:

Just to be sure we are clear about this, when you retrieve the boat the
front brace (with the V cushion) should first be retracted all the way and
then returned to touch the bow of the boat only once it is hauled out. That
way you can winch the boat as far forward as possible while it is in the
water. Note that as the boat trailer comes up the ramp the back of the boat
drops as it comes out of the water and this put considerable strain on the
boat where the front struts on the trailer are ( the spot with the dents). I
pull the boat forward enough that it is stuck in place and then reduce the
tension of the winch so that the boat levels out normally as it comes up the
ramp.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
talbotpratt
Sent: June 17, 2016 10:13 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

You folks are awesome! Thanks so much as there is lots of good info here.
I wish I had taken better pictures of the boat on the trailer.  From the
couple that I have, it looks like the aft port is slightly forward of the
axle, despite the ability to move the boat even further forward...should one
desire, by collapsing the v cushion arm even more forward.  I think I
noticed in Alex's photo that his v cushion arm is slid forward already.  So
that's kinda strange. So I'm thinking, for whatever reason, that I should
try loading it with the port over the axle this fall.  Maybe our bow
uprights are slightly different?? 
Does this link to google photos work? 
https://goo.gl/photos/RDXVJDL71S2htQNC8

Here is the temporary bunk I used to pop the dent out:
https://goo.gl/photos/YRudZFZBtwnp1QAw9  . This also shows how extended the
bow v cushion is already, in comparison to Alex's

I'm thinking there was abouts 500lbs on the tonque, and yes my trailer
swivel need replacement. Also I have a new 9.9 Susuki with all options
hanging off the back...heavy motor.  But not much gear in the boat. 

I found a pretty cool way to mount the engine controls under the port
cockpit seat and could share my autopilot installation, if anybody is
interested. 

Talbot



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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Jun 17 10:52:34 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:52:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <000f01d1c8a6$b9bd91f0$2d38b5d0$@ca>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <007401d1c834$4a9ddf90$dfd99eb0$@ca>
 <F5B3842B-2B64-440C-A789-F2B304BBC402@steelbone.com>
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Message-ID: <152DB5A2-0680-4824-ACC4-AE24D6042220@stottarchitecture.com>

Talbot 
I?d love to see the auto-pilot install. 
I most often single hand my boat and an auto-pilot would make things much easier. 
Ric
sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays 



> On Jun 17, 2016, at 10:44 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Talbot:
> 
> Just to be sure we are clear about this, when you retrieve the boat the
> front brace (with the V cushion) should first be retracted all the way and
> then returned to touch the bow of the boat only once it is hauled out. That
> way you can winch the boat as far forward as possible while it is in the
> water. Note that as the boat trailer comes up the ramp the back of the boat
> drops as it comes out of the water and this put considerable strain on the
> boat where the front struts on the trailer are ( the spot with the dents). I
> pull the boat forward enough that it is stuck in place and then reduce the
> tension of the winch so that the boat levels out normally as it comes up the
> ramp.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> talbotpratt
> Sent: June 17, 2016 10:13 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
> 
> You folks are awesome! Thanks so much as there is lots of good info here.
> I wish I had taken better pictures of the boat on the trailer.  From the
> couple that I have, it looks like the aft port is slightly forward of the
> axle, despite the ability to move the boat even further forward...should one
> desire, by collapsing the v cushion arm even more forward.  I think I
> noticed in Alex's photo that his v cushion arm is slid forward already.  So
> that's kinda strange. So I'm thinking, for whatever reason, that I should
> try loading it with the port over the axle this fall.  Maybe our bow
> uprights are slightly different?? 
> Does this link to google photos work? 
> https://goo.gl/photos/RDXVJDL71S2htQNC8
> 
> Here is the temporary bunk I used to pop the dent out:
> https://goo.gl/photos/YRudZFZBtwnp1QAw9  . This also shows how extended the
> bow v cushion is already, in comparison to Alex's
> 
> I'm thinking there was abouts 500lbs on the tonque, and yes my trailer
> swivel need replacement. Also I have a new 9.9 Susuki with all options
> hanging off the back...heavy motor.  But not much gear in the boat. 
> 
> I found a pretty cool way to mount the engine controls under the port
> cockpit seat and could share my autopilot installation, if anybody is
> interested. 
> 
> Talbot
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Talbot Pratt
> S/V  "Remains Nameless"
> Red bank, NJ  978 801 1602
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Triad-Trailer-brakes-and-adjustments-
> tp52121p52135.html
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 17 11:11:48 2016
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:11:48 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <000f01d1c8a6$b9bd91f0$2d38b5d0$@ca>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <007401d1c834$4a9ddf90$dfd99eb0$@ca>
 <F5B3842B-2B64-440C-A789-F2B304BBC402@steelbone.com>
 <e25f312347204aff8dcfb0cabaa5c7f1@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
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Message-ID: <SN1PR18MB03828651324F79048351E411D9570@SN1PR18MB0382.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Graham 
I could not have described the process better. 

Good luck

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman
s/v Daysreams
98 R 22

> On Jun 17, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Talbot:
> 
> Just to be sure we are clear about this, when you retrieve the boat the
> front brace (with the V cushion) should first be retracted all the way and
> then returned to touch the bow of the boat only once it is hauled out. That
> way you can winch the boat as far forward as possible while it is in the
> water. Note that as the boat trailer comes up the ramp the back of the boat
> drops as it comes out of the water and this put considerable strain on the
> boat where the front struts on the trailer are ( the spot with the dents). I
> pull the boat forward enough that it is stuck in place and then reduce the
> tension of the winch so that the boat levels out normally as it comes up the
> ramp.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> talbotpratt
> Sent: June 17, 2016 10:13 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
> 
> You folks are awesome! Thanks so much as there is lots of good info here.
> I wish I had taken better pictures of the boat on the trailer.  From the
> couple that I have, it looks like the aft port is slightly forward of the
> axle, despite the ability to move the boat even further forward...should one
> desire, by collapsing the v cushion arm even more forward.  I think I
> noticed in Alex's photo that his v cushion arm is slid forward already.  So
> that's kinda strange. So I'm thinking, for whatever reason, that I should
> try loading it with the port over the axle this fall.  Maybe our bow
> uprights are slightly different?? 
> Does this link to google photos work? 
> https://goo.gl/photos/RDXVJDL71S2htQNC8
> 
> Here is the temporary bunk I used to pop the dent out:
> https://goo.gl/photos/YRudZFZBtwnp1QAw9  . This also shows how extended the
> bow v cushion is already, in comparison to Alex's
> 
> I'm thinking there was abouts 500lbs on the tonque, and yes my trailer
> swivel need replacement. Also I have a new 9.9 Susuki with all options
> hanging off the back...heavy motor.  But not much gear in the boat. 
> 
> I found a pretty cool way to mount the engine controls under the port
> cockpit seat and could share my autopilot installation, if anybody is
> interested. 
> 
> Talbot
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Talbot Pratt
> S/V  "Remains Nameless"
> Red bank, NJ  978 801 1602
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Triad-Trailer-brakes-and-adjustments-
> tp52121p52135.html
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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 11:18:49 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 08:18:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <SN1PR18MB03828651324F79048351E411D9570@SN1PR18MB0382.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
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 <F5B3842B-2B64-440C-A789-F2B304BBC402@steelbone.com>
 <e25f312347204aff8dcfb0cabaa5c7f1@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
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Message-ID: <CAFhmpdEMmhcDEocW1=ogOQ5ow7UzA50tSaUREeJZq2ShGrgguQ@mail.gmail.com>

Graham,
What a clear and concise description. Thanks!

I will take some photos of A/P installation and should I post as a new
thread?


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016, 11:12 AM Charles Nieman [via Rhodes 22] <
ml-node+s1065344n52142h81 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Graham
> I could not have described the process better.
>
> Good luck
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles Nieman
> s/v Daysreams
> 98 R 22
>
> > On Jun 17, 2016, at 9:44 AM, Graham Stewart <[hidden email]
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=52142&i=0>> wrote:
> >
> > Talbot:
> >
> > Just to be sure we are clear about this, when you retrieve the boat the
> > front brace (with the V cushion) should first be retracted all the way
> and
> > then returned to touch the bow of the boat only once it is hauled out.
> That
> > way you can winch the boat as far forward as possible while it is in the
> > water. Note that as the boat trailer comes up the ramp the back of the
> boat
> > drops as it comes out of the water and this put considerable strain on
> the
> > boat where the front struts on the trailer are ( the spot with the
> dents). I
> > pull the boat forward enough that it is stuck in place and then reduce
> the
> > tension of the winch so that the boat levels out normally as it comes up
> the
> > ramp.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile. R22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario Canada
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:[hidden email]
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=52142&i=1>] On Behalf Of
> > talbotpratt
> > Sent: June 17, 2016 10:13 AM
> > To: [hidden email] <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=52142&i=2>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
> >
> > You folks are awesome! Thanks so much as there is lots of good info
> here.
> > I wish I had taken better pictures of the boat on the trailer.  From the
> > couple that I have, it looks like the aft port is slightly forward of
> the
> > axle, despite the ability to move the boat even further forward...should
> one
> > desire, by collapsing the v cushion arm even more forward.  I think I
> > noticed in Alex's photo that his v cushion arm is slid forward already.
> So
> > that's kinda strange. So I'm thinking, for whatever reason, that I
> should
> > try loading it with the port over the axle this fall.  Maybe our bow
> > uprights are slightly different??
> > Does this link to google photos work?
> > https://goo.gl/photos/RDXVJDL71S2htQNC8
> >
> > Here is the temporary bunk I used to pop the dent out:
> > https://goo.gl/photos/YRudZFZBtwnp1QAw9  . This also shows how extended
> the
> > bow v cushion is already, in comparison to Alex's
> >
> > I'm thinking there was abouts 500lbs on the tonque, and yes my trailer
> > swivel need replacement. Also I have a new 9.9 Susuki with all options
> > hanging off the back...heavy motor.  But not much gear in the boat.
> >
> > I found a pretty cool way to mount the engine controls under the port
> > cockpit seat and could share my autopilot installation, if anybody is
> > interested.
> >
> > Talbot
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
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> > S/V  "Remains Nameless"
> > Red bank, NJ  978 801 1602
> > --
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From jefferson at iteract.ca  Fri Jun 17 12:05:15 2016
From: jefferson at iteract.ca (Jefferson Lewis)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 09:05:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <1466099946827-52117.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <B3331D53-30A3-42A4-92CF-E44981946E9B@gmail.com>
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Welco0me aboard Austin! May fair winds and following seas be yours!

And for the rest of ye swabs, it's a toast tomorrow night at sunset to Rummy
and all who sail with him!

p.s. Now how do we get Mount Gay to sponsor us in His name?



-----
Jefferson Lewis
SV Patience 1976
Lake Memphremagog, Quebec
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 17 13:00:16 2016
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:00:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <e25f312347204aff8dcfb0cabaa5c7f1@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <007401d1c834$4a9ddf90$dfd99eb0$@ca>
 <F5B3842B-2B64-440C-A789-F2B304BBC402@steelbone.com>
 <e25f312347204aff8dcfb0cabaa5c7f1@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <1466182816128-52145.post@n5.nabble.com>

Amazing, a full diagram pops up within hours of the question, before I could 
take a photo  of mine sitting in the weeds.   

Thanks for calling this 'fairly well loaded' Rob.  I think it was actually
too far back, with the scary sway I described.   The bow V cradle couldn't
reach the bow for support.   T   It sounds like I should move the V cradle
forward and try to bring the boat close to it when loading, since it will
fall back when the stern stops floating.   Six more inches of keel forward
of the axle makes a huge difference in weight distribution.      I also seem
to have trouble with the bow eyelet snagging on the spare tire when it is
positioned correctly, until it is deep enough to finally float free.  My
prior sailboat trailer experience is my 500# buccaneer (won't drive on but
can be re-positioned on the hard), plus a friend's skiboats.  At least I
won't have to worry about the outdrive failing in the down position.  



-----
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S/V Lark
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 13:14:43 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 13:14:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9aKAigd=1ob28+Yqy4X6Rhm3t7ijjPmTtKxWCZx09iSRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CALbDJ9aKAigd=1ob28+Yqy4X6Rhm3t7ijjPmTtKxWCZx09iSRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36ao3WwRsD+SPDkkg4XwZLKKExmdifD4c4AJL2csQ99A+w@mail.gmail.com>

Richard,

Why don't you snug the crotch against the bow and lock it when trailering?
I know it needs to be pulled forward for launch and haul-out, but I thought
it kept the boat in place over bumps and hard braking.

Rick

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:36 PM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Talbot
>
> Over the years I have delivered quite a few boats for Stan, including a
> 3000 mile trip from Edenton to Seattle. I have experienced a mishmash of
> trailers including a single axle Traid, a double axle Traid and several
> others. Mishaps included burnt-out bearings, shredded tires, broken bunks,
> rusted brakes and unbalanced loads.
>
> As a rule-of-thumb I always carry a spare set of bearings, a spare
> tail-light wiring harness, spare tail-light bulbs, spare tire (or 2) and a
> trailer jack. I usually load the boat with a space of about 8" to 10" from
> the V-shaped cushion (it should not be right up against it) and I strap the
> boat to the trailer with tie-downs. Its nice to have trailer brakes, but I
> am equally comfortable without them....it's not a huge load.
>
> Hope this helps
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>

From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 14:04:44 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:04:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <1466179515095-52144.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CALbDJ9bO-7Lyk8BfxywDkMRQwJwRfFbGh1bXue9+fqRE9Vqa-Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm working on this and hoping to get Mount Gay to sponsor a cocktail
evening at the Rhodes Booth at Annapolis this Oct. We can use this occasion
to celebrate Rummy's passing and Stan's 90th. Ill let you know if I'm
successful.

If anyone has an inside track with the Mount Gay guys please let me know.

Cheers



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Jefferson Lewis <jefferson at iteract.ca>
wrote:

> Welco0me aboard Austin! May fair winds and following seas be yours!
>
> And for the rest of ye swabs, it's a toast tomorrow night at sunset to
> Rummy
> and all who sail with him!
>
> p.s. Now how do we get Mount Gay to sponsor us in His name?
>
>
>
> -----
> Jefferson Lewis
> SV Patience 1976
> Lake Memphremagog, Quebec
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/New-Rhodes-Owner-tp52106p52144.html
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From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 17 14:27:17 2016
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:27:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9bO-7Lyk8BfxywDkMRQwJwRfFbGh1bXue9+fqRE9Vqa-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>
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 <61d96d2588b3436d803fb3de70669804@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
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Message-ID: <2131389476.403773.1466188037158.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

BTW, Rose just turned 94 on June 1st.??Sorry to never have met Rummy.? They are all amazing people!?Don Simons,Ithaca, NY

      From: Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
 To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
 Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 2:04 PM
 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
   
I'm working on this and hoping to get Mount Gay to sponsor a cocktail
evening at the Rhodes Booth at Annapolis this Oct. We can use this occasion
to celebrate Rummy's passing and Stan's 90th. Ill let you know if I'm
successful.

If anyone has an inside track with the Mount Gay guys please let me know.

Cheers



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Jefferson Lewis <jefferson at iteract.ca>
wrote:

> Welco0me aboard Austin! May fair winds and following seas be yours!
>
> And for the rest of ye swabs, it's a toast tomorrow night at sunset to
> Rummy
> and all who sail with him!
>
> p.s. Now how do we get Mount Gay to sponsor us in His name?
>
>
>
> -----
> Jefferson Lewis
> SV Patience 1976
> Lake Memphremagog, Quebec
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/New-Rhodes-Owner-tp52106p52144.html
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jun 17 14:51:08 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:51:08 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <1466182816128-52145.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <007401d1c834$4a9ddf90$dfd99eb0$@ca>
 <F5B3842B-2B64-440C-A789-F2B304BBC402@steelbone.com>
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 <1466182816128-52145.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <17c72152755140d8a1784b0ce2a13740@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Alex,
Yes, we are pretty amazing at times.

I too had problems with the spare tire getting in the way, so I removed it and found a way to mount it on the side of the trailer.  Now I can get the boat forward enough.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of S/V Lark
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 1:00 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

Amazing, a full diagram pops up within hours of the question, before I could 
take a photo  of mine sitting in the weeds.   

Thanks for calling this 'fairly well loaded' Rob.  I think it was actually
too far back, with the scary sway I described.   The bow V cradle couldn't
reach the bow for support.   T   It sounds like I should move the V cradle
forward and try to bring the boat close to it when loading, since it will
fall back when the stern stops floating.   Six more inches of keel forward
of the axle makes a huge difference in weight distribution.      I also seem
to have trouble with the bow eyelet snagging on the spare tire when it is positioned correctly, until it is deep enough to finally float free.  My prior sailboat trailer experience is my 500# buccaneer (won't drive on but can be re-positioned on the hard), plus a friend's skiboats.  At least I won't have to worry about the outdrive failing in the down position.  



-----
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S/V Lark
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jun 17 14:54:04 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 18:54:04 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New topics get new sublet lines
Message-ID: <a4e80f9b8ae647d599354e9a161daf53@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Talbot,
Yes, post as a new thread!  We tend to get on people who do not change the subject line.  It makes searching the archives at a later date that much easier. - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of talbotpratt
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 11:19 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

Graham,
What a clear and concise description. Thanks!

I will take some photos of A/P installation and should I post as a new thread?


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Jun 17 15:31:16 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:31:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
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Message-ID: <806093f4-02fe-444e-81bd-0d1aaa2560e5@typeapp.com>

That is why I refuse to allow nuclear weapons on my boat.
Graham.

Sent from BlueMail



On Jun 17, 2016, 10:28 AM, at 10:28 AM, talbotpratt <talbotpratt at gmail.com> wrote:
>I drank a snifter of the official British Navy Rum at a party (usually
>mixed half and half with water to make grog) about 20 years ago. It was
>delicious and came with good stories from the supplier.  FYI they
>stopped
>issuing twice daily grog to all British sailors in the 1960s because
>some
>admiral realized that their ships were now carrying nuclear weapons.
>
>Talbot
>
>
>On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:38 AM mweisner at ebsmed.com [via Rhodes 22] <
>ml-node+s1065344n52131h40 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:
>
>> My preference is a Founders Imperial Stout or their Dark Porter.
>> Excellent
>> dark beers, IMHO.
>>
>> I only drink rum in honor of Rummy and only on special occasions.  I
>don't
>> need an occasion to enjoy a good beer.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> From: On Behalf Of talbotpratt
>>
>> Can I down a stout and pretend it's rum? I'm a lightweight when it
>comes
>> to
>> that hard stuff.
>>
>> Talbot Pratt
>> S/V  Remains Nameless
>> Red bank, NJ
>>
>> __________________________________________________
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>-----
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>S/V  "Remains Nameless"
>Red bank, NJ  978 801 1602
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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Fri Jun 17 17:37:40 2016
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 17:37:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <806093f4-02fe-444e-81bd-0d1aaa2560e5@typeapp.com>
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In florida most boats are well armed with things carrying the numerals twelve and forty five, Coast guard on speed dial and of course Mount Gay (or equivalent) in the bilge.
The gentlemans militia is totally unorganized, all pervasive, definitely patriotic, and of course legal.
Anchors aweigh!
Ha!
3 rounds off the bow and a shotglass for Rummy at sunset!!
Bob
> On Jun 17, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> That is why I refuse to allow nuclear weapons on my boat.
> Graham.
> 
> Sent from BlueMail
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2016, 10:28 AM, at 10:28 AM, talbotpratt <talbotpratt at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I drank a snifter of the official British Navy Rum at a party (usually
>> mixed half and half with water to make grog) about 20 years ago. It was
>> delicious and came with good stories from the supplier.  FYI they
>> stopped
>> issuing twice daily grog to all British sailors in the 1960s because
>> some
>> admiral realized that their ships were now carrying nuclear weapons.
>> 
>> Talbot
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 9:38 AM mweisner at ebsmed.com [via Rhodes 22] <
>> ml-node+s1065344n52131h40 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> My preference is a Founders Imperial Stout or their Dark Porter.
>>> Excellent
>>> dark beers, IMHO.
>>> 
>>> I only drink rum in honor of Rummy and only on special occasions.  I
>> don't
>>> need an occasion to enjoy a good beer.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> 
>>> From: On Behalf Of talbotpratt
>>> 
>>> Can I down a stout and pretend it's rum? I'm a lightweight when it
>> comes
>>> to
>>> that hard stuff.
>>> 
>>> Talbot Pratt
>>> S/V  Remains Nameless
>>> Red bank, NJ
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
>> archives go
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> 
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From boendert at me.com  Fri Jun 17 19:03:01 2016
From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:03:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
In-Reply-To: <000f01d1c7ce$266ad120$73407360$@ca>
References: <1466025585032-52106.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <B3331D53-30A3-42A4-92CF-E44981946E9B@gmail.com>
 <61d96d2588b3436d803fb3de70669804@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
 <000f01d1c7ce$266ad120$73407360$@ca>
Message-ID: <59B0EEF4-FF09-4458-A9E7-C1855C526DEB@me.com>

Graham,

Heck yes, I believe we can. I concur 100%. 

I can't take out my bottle of Mount Gay without thinking of Rummy. I miss him tremendously. 

Cheers,
Ted

S/V AIRPOWER 
1991/2013 R22
Jacksonville, FL



> On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> Rummy was a fountain of useful information but none was better than his
> enthusiastic endorsement of Mont Gay rum. I have become a regular user and
> think of him every time. I think we should make it the official Rhodes 22
> drink and perhaps make is mandatory for new people joining the list. Can we
> do that?
> 
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: June 16, 2016 8:27 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
> 
> And more importantly, what type of rum you drink! - Rob 
> 
> Rob Lowe
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Stephen Staum
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 6:07 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Rhodes Owner
> 
> Swamp Fox:  please tell us your name. 
> 
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
> Needham, MA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 5:19 PM, SwampFox <Austin.Abel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like I'm not the only one that bought a Rhodes for this sailing
> season. 
>> Just want to say Hey, and thank you for the wealth of knowledge on 
>> this list.
>> If anyone is sailing in New Orleans, I'd love to meet you. SwampFox 
>> will be at the South Shore Marina.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
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From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Mon Jun 20 20:56:24 2016
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 00:56:24 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
Message-ID: <SN2PR03MB2383A5F28638D2E1A0E299C3AE2B0@SN2PR03MB2383.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hello,

The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.

The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).

Go with new?
Upgrade entire mount system?
Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?

Thanks in advance,
Bob
Sunapee, NH

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 20 21:03:06 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 21:03:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
In-Reply-To: <SN2PR03MB2383A5F28638D2E1A0E299C3AE2B0@SN2PR03MB2383.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN2PR03MB2383A5F28638D2E1A0E299C3AE2B0@SN2PR03MB2383.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMBukne7o-tfF=vJqwG39w7LA6msu62D1VK13tQx2KbBeg@mail.gmail.com>

Pictures to help describe the issue would help.

Hank
On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
>
> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
>
> Go with new?
> Upgrade entire mount system?
> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bob
> Sunapee, NH
> __________________________________________________
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 15:17:01 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 15:17:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tacking thru 90 deg
Message-ID: <CABkv36aoY9t83iV315DmrbmPh_KMVbboMfM6o1hpwdzuf_UOJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Today was perfect for tacking through 90 deg single handed with a 170
genny--10 kt wind and no waves.

Something I didn't mention before is that I have a CDI furler.  The thin,
flat furler foil probably gives a few degrees advantage over the round GBI
foil.

Rick
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Tue Jun 21 22:57:00 2016
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 19:57:00 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tacking thru 90 deg
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References: <CABkv36aoY9t83iV315DmrbmPh_KMVbboMfM6o1hpwdzuf_UOJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuNpf_UFfE1tgMoUah83X4ksk+_4bCMGb=hJ9Jjie5gURQ@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting pic. Can you move fair lead forward w/ Bimini strut sharing
the  fair lead track?
Cheers,
Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo (Recycled 86)


On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Today was perfect for tacking through 90 deg single handed with a 170
> genny--10 kt wind and no waves.
>
> Something I didn't mention before is that I have a CDI furler.  The thin,
> flat furler foil probably gives a few degrees advantage over the round GBI
> foil.
>
> Rick
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 09:30:39 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 09:30:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tacking thru 90 deg
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuNpf_UFfE1tgMoUah83X4ksk+_4bCMGb=hJ9Jjie5gURQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36aoY9t83iV315DmrbmPh_KMVbboMfM6o1hpwdzuf_UOJQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABkv36bHugKRbz7c4B4kth8X3yJ_jq6+voPm6JD0N8vNQ87vvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sure, and if you have a smaller sail, just reverse the sheet car and the
Bimini strut car.
On Jun 21, 2016 10:57 PM, "Shawn Boles" <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting pic. Can you move fair lead forward w/ Bimini strut sharing
> the  fair lead track?
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo (Recycled 86)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Today was perfect for tacking through 90 deg single handed with a 170
> > genny--10 kt wind and no waves.
> >
> > Something I didn't mention before is that I have a CDI furler.  The thin,
> > flat furler foil probably gives a few degrees advantage over the round
> GBI
> > foil.
> >
> > Rick
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Jun 22 10:43:47 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 10:43:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tacking thru 90 deg
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36aoY9t83iV315DmrbmPh_KMVbboMfM6o1hpwdzuf_UOJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36aoY9t83iV315DmrbmPh_KMVbboMfM6o1hpwdzuf_UOJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8FF255AD-16EC-4D84-869E-0459673D9D08@steelbone.com>

HI Rick 
What model CDI fuller do you have- FF1 or FF2?
I?m about to purchase a CDI Furler and a new 130% jib. 
ric 
sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays
 

> On Jun 21, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Today was perfect for tacking through 90 deg single handed with a 170
> genny--10 kt wind and no waves.
> 
> Something I didn't mention before is that I have a CDI furler.  The thin,
> flat furler foil probably gives a few degrees advantage over the round GBI
> foil.
> 
> Rick
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 13:02:55 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 13:02:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tacking thru 90 deg
In-Reply-To: <8FF255AD-16EC-4D84-869E-0459673D9D08@steelbone.com>
References: <CABkv36aoY9t83iV315DmrbmPh_KMVbboMfM6o1hpwdzuf_UOJQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABkv36YDKk3keGN5+7MB4iGSpn2UeFHa9JqhNGL6g0Ohjh3BUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ric,

Whichever one will take the luff of your largest sail.  I had my rigger get
it for my 170 since it required a forestay change.

For the 170, the stock drum for the foil is too small.  Drum diameter is
probably less an issue with the 130.

Rick

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> HI Rick
> What model CDI fuller do you have- FF1 or FF2?
> I?m about to purchase a CDI Furler and a new 130% jib.
> ric
> sv Dadventure
> Hampton Bays
>
>
> > On Jun 21, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Today was perfect for tacking through 90 deg single handed with a 170
> > genny--10 kt wind and no waves.
> >
> > Something I didn't mention before is that I have a CDI furler.  The thin,
> > flat furler foil probably gives a few degrees advantage over the round
> GBI
> > foil.
> >
> > Rick
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Jun 22 13:58:36 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 13:58:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tacking thru 90 deg
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YDKk3keGN5+7MB4iGSpn2UeFHa9JqhNGL6g0Ohjh3BUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36aoY9t83iV315DmrbmPh_KMVbboMfM6o1hpwdzuf_UOJQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CABkv36YDKk3keGN5+7MB4iGSpn2UeFHa9JqhNGL6g0Ohjh3BUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D489EDE2-A155-4E36-AF5A-D4BF8A8BB0A9@stottarchitecture.com>

Hmmm
I should not require a headstay change. 
The length limit has to do with the luff length of the jib.  
Any one know that Luff Length (LL) number? 
Ric 
Dadventure


> On Jun 22, 2016, at 1:02 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ric,
> 
> Whichever one will take the luff of your largest sail.  I had my rigger get
> it for my 170 since it required a forestay change.
> 
> For the 170, the stock drum for the foil is too small.  Drum diameter is
> probably less an issue with the 130.
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> HI Rick
>> What model CDI fuller do you have- FF1 or FF2?
>> I?m about to purchase a CDI Furler and a new 130% jib.
>> ric
>> sv Dadventure
>> Hampton Bays
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2016, at 3:17 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Today was perfect for tacking through 90 deg single handed with a 170
>>> genny--10 kt wind and no waves.
>>> 
>>> Something I didn't mention before is that I have a CDI furler.  The thin,
>>> flat furler foil probably gives a few degrees advantage over the round
>> GBI
>>> foil.
>>> 
>>> Rick
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>> 
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>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 18:25:34 2016
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 18:25:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMBukne7o-tfF=vJqwG39w7LA6msu62D1VK13tQx2KbBeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN2PR03MB2383A5F28638D2E1A0E299C3AE2B0@SN2PR03MB2383.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADQNfMBukne7o-tfF=vJqwG39w7LA6msu62D1VK13tQx2KbBeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWUch7FWJyxY1+3wUODR_r16R-OVbaa77g8wsdegKwNEA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know will need to google that

On Monday, June 20, 2016, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
>
> Hank
> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
> <javascript:;>>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
> >
> > The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
> >
> > Go with new?
> > Upgrade entire mount system?
> > Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Bob
> > Sunapee, NH
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
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From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Wed Jun 22 21:30:41 2016
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 01:30:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMBukne7o-tfF=vJqwG39w7LA6msu62D1VK13tQx2KbBeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <SN2PR03MB2383A5F28638D2E1A0E299C3AE2B0@SN2PR03MB2383.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADQNfMBukne7o-tfF=vJqwG39w7LA6msu62D1VK13tQx2KbBeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR03MB237238A7C647E22829F3A2A5AE2D0@BN3PR03MB2372.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. The Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the ONLY thing keeping the motor verticle!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount

Pictures to help describe the issue would help.

Hank
On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
>
> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
>
> Go with new?
> Upgrade entire mount system?
> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Bob
> Sunapee, NH
> __________________________________________________
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Wed Jun 22 21:40:30 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 21:40:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is sold
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We are delighted to say that Fretless has been sold and is off on her 
next adventures.

We'll let the new Rhodies introduce themselves.

Thanks for all the kind words since we announced she was for sale.

We'll be sticking around but we'll probably have less to say.

Mary Lou and Fred
formerly 1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless
now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
soon to be in Rock Hall, MD


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 22 21:51:48 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 21:51:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is sold
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Congratulations and best of luck in your new boating adventures!

Hank
On Jun 22, 2016 9:40 PM, "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> We are delighted to say that Fretless has been sold and is off on her next
> adventures.
>
> We'll let the new Rhodies introduce themselves.
>
> Thanks for all the kind words since we announced she was for sale.
>
> We'll be sticking around but we'll probably have less to say.
>
> Mary Lou and Fred
> formerly 1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless
> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> soon to be in Rock Hall, MD
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>

From rodellner at mac.com  Wed Jun 22 22:39:54 2016
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 21:39:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is sold
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Congrats to you and Fred.    Enjoy your new adventures  Dorene Barrera (another old rhode) will be visiting us in a couple weeks.   Always good to get together.  Lots of nemories.  

Rod & Mary 
Blew.  On the St Croix River

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Congratulations and best of luck in your new boating adventures!
> 
> Hank
>> On Jun 22, 2016 9:40 PM, "Mary Lou Troy" <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> We are delighted to say that Fretless has been sold and is off on her next
>> adventures.
>> 
>> We'll let the new Rhodies introduce themselves.
>> 
>> Thanks for all the kind words since we announced she was for sale.
>> 
>> We'll be sticking around but we'll probably have less to say.
>> 
>> Mary Lou and Fred
>> formerly 1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless
>> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
>> soon to be in Rock Hall, MD
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> 
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________

From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jun 23 10:51:05 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 14:51:05 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is sold
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Mary Lou,
Congratulations to you and Fred on the sale of Fretless.  Sort of a bittersweet event.  Hope to see the new owners join us soon.  Hope you enjoy Tara and we look forward to hearing about your adventures on her. - rob

Rob Lowe


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 9:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is sold

We are delighted to say that Fretless has been sold and is off on her next adventures.

We'll let the new Rhodies introduce themselves.

Thanks for all the kind words since we announced she was for sale.

We'll be sticking around but we'll probably have less to say.

Mary Lou and Fred
formerly 1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless
now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
soon to be in Rock Hall, MD

__________________________________________________
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 10:56:59 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 10:56:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your motor,
why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in the grey
piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the whole thing.

Rick

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester <
C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. The
> Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the ONLY thing
> keeping the motor verticle!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Hank
> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>
> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
>
> Hank
> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
> >
> > The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
> >
> > Go with new?
> > Upgrade entire mount system?
> > Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Bob
> > Sunapee, NH
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> > __________________________________________________
> >
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 12:49:02 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:49:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual one
 Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp Tohatsu
4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.

Cheers



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your motor,
> why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in the grey
> piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the whole thing.
>
> Rick
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester <
> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> > The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. The
> > Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the ONLY
> thing
> > keeping the motor verticle!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Hank
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
> >
> > Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
> >
> > Hank
> > On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
> > >
> > > The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
> > >
> > > Go with new?
> > > Upgrade entire mount system?
> > > Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Bob
> > > Sunapee, NH
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >
> > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> > > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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> > >
> > __________________________________________________
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> >
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> > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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> >
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> > >
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 12:54:04 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:54:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless is sold
In-Reply-To: <auto-000426148496@smtp04.cluster1.echolabs.net>
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Be sure to let the new owners know that if the need Fretless towed anywhere
I can help out and I have double-axle trailer if needed.

S/V Waif
Rhodes 22



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> We are delighted to say that Fretless has been sold and is off on her next
> adventures.
>
> We'll let the new Rhodies introduce themselves.
>
> Thanks for all the kind words since we announced she was for sale.
>
> We'll be sticking around but we'll probably have less to say.
>
> Mary Lou and Fred
> formerly 1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless
> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> soon to be in Rock Hall, MD
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jun 23 12:54:14 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 12:54:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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I've been concerned about my sliding motor mount on my 1991.

How much $$$

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Richard Beytagh
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:49 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount

I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual one
Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp Tohatsu
4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.

Cheers



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your 
> motor, why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in 
> the grey piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the
whole thing.
>
> Rick
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester < 
> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> > The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. 
> > The Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the 
> > ONLY
> thing
> > keeping the motor verticle!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Hank
> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
> >
> > Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
> >
> > Hank
> > On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
> > >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
> > >
> > > The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
> > >
> > > Go with new?
> > > Upgrade entire mount system?
> > > Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Bob
> > > Sunapee, NH
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> > >
> > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
> > > archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
> > > __________________________________________________
> > >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
> > archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
> > __________________________________________________
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> > >
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Jun 23 13:09:08 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:09:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
In-Reply-To: <006901d1cd6f$e0868030$a1938090$@com>
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Message-ID: <AA5E7096-30CF-4963-810D-3931EF1F351E@stottarchitecture.com>

I?ve never been happy with the original motor mount on my ?84 Continental.
A pic is attached. 
Stan told me recently that GB is developing a new style motor mount/lift that should be ready soon. 
He hinted that it is completely different design.
When my dad owned the boat, my in-laws kept their Catalina 22 at the same dock. I always liked their spring loaded Garelick mount better than the block & tackle GB idea. 
I have seen big improvements on the GB version over the years but have no first hand experience.
I?ve seen and heard the electric version operate, and don?t like it.
I prefer a low tech manual operation.  
Garelick makes one with a 15? travel, so its on the radar, and/but I?m waiting for Stan to announce the new design. 
For this season I?m stuck with what I have. 
it does work. 
Ric 
sv Dadventure 
Hampton Bays 

> On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been concerned about my sliding motor mount on my 1991.
> 
> How much $$$
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:49 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
> 
> I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual one
> Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp Tohatsu
> 4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> 
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
> 
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your 
>> motor, why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in 
>> the grey piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the
> whole thing.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester < 
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. 
>>> The Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the 
>>> ONLY
>> thing
>>> keeping the motor verticle!
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Hank
>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>>> 
>>> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
>>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
>>>> 
>>>> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
>>>> 
>>>> Go with new?
>>>> Upgrade entire mount system?
>>>> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Bob
>>>> Sunapee, NH
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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>>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
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>>> 
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>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was 
>>> scrubbed...
>>> Name: Broken Motor Mount.jpg
>>> Type: image/jpeg
>>> Size: 112116 bytes
>>> Desc: Broken Motor Mount.jpg
>>> URL: <
>>> 
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160623/c6f01
>> 631/attachment.jpg
>>>> 
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Jun 23 13:09:57 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:09:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
In-Reply-To: <AA5E7096-30CF-4963-810D-3931EF1F351E@stottarchitecture.com>
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here?s the attachment 


> On Jun 23, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ve never been happy with the original motor mount on my ?84 Continental.
> A pic is attached. 
> Stan told me recently that GB is developing a new style motor mount/lift that should be ready soon. 
> He hinted that it is completely different design.
> When my dad owned the boat, my in-laws kept their Catalina 22 at the same dock. I always liked their spring loaded Garelick mount better than the block & tackle GB idea. 
> I have seen big improvements on the GB version over the years but have no first hand experience.
> I?ve seen and heard the electric version operate, and don?t like it.
> I prefer a low tech manual operation.  
> Garelick makes one with a 15? travel, so its on the radar, and/but I?m waiting for Stan to announce the new design. 
> For this season I?m stuck with what I have. 
> it does work. 
> Ric 
> sv Dadventure 
> Hampton Bays 
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:54 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I've been concerned about my sliding motor mount on my 1991.
>> 
>> How much $$$
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 12:49 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>> 
>> I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual one
>> Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp Tohatsu
>> 4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>> 
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>> 
>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your 
>>> motor, why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in 
>>> the grey piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the
>> whole thing.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester < 
>>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. 
>>>> The Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the 
>>>> ONLY
>>> thing
>>>> keeping the motor verticle!
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Hank
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>>>> 
>>>> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
>>>> 
>>>> Hank
>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
>>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
>>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Go with new?
>>>>> Upgrade entire mount system?
>>>>> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> Sunapee, NH
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> 
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was 
>>>> scrubbed...
>>>> Name: Broken Motor Mount.jpg
>>>> Type: image/jpeg
>>>> Size: 112116 bytes
>>>> Desc: Broken Motor Mount.jpg
>>>> URL: <
>>>> 
>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160623/c6f01
>>> 631/attachment.jpg
>>>>> 
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
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>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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>>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
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>>> 
>> __________________________________________________
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>> __________________________________________________
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Jun 23 13:56:14 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 13:56:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9Z7knXZh_1Z05pPVZiyMHgr1ND1nVmk4fLUz0c5PziZQg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <C41B9F6D-3941-4FDE-99B6-25519ACDDC2D@steelbone.com>

Richard 
I?d love to see a picture of your manual lift. 
ric 
sv Dadventure 




> On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual one
> Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp Tohatsu
> 4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> 
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
> 
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your motor,
>> why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in the grey
>> piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the whole thing.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. The
>>> Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the ONLY
>> thing
>>> keeping the motor verticle!
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Hank
>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>>> 
>>> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
>>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
>>>> 
>>>> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
>>>> 
>>>> Go with new?
>>>> Upgrade entire mount system?
>>>> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Bob
>>>> Sunapee, NH
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>>> Name: Broken Motor Mount.jpg
>>> Type: image/jpeg
>>> Size: 112116 bytes
>>> Desc: Broken Motor Mount.jpg
>>> URL: <
>>> 
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160623/c6f01631/attachment.jpg
>>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
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>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>> 
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>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>> 
> __________________________________________________
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From larrywallen at verizon.net  Thu Jun 23 15:25:42 2016
From: larrywallen at verizon.net (Larry Allen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 15:25:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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Message-ID: <015801d1cd85$08dbebf0$1a93c3d0$@net>

I'd also like to see the manual lift and the cost.

Larry 
Sarasota

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 1:56 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount

Richard
I?d love to see a picture of your manual lift. 
ric
sv Dadventure 




> On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual 
> one Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp 
> Tohatsu 4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 
> 
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> 
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
> 
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your 
>> motor, why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in 
>> the grey piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the whole thing.
>> 
>> Rick
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester < 
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>> 
>>> The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. 
>>> The Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the 
>>> ONLY
>> thing
>>> keeping the motor verticle!
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Hank
>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>>> 
>>> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
>>> 
>>> Hank
>>> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
>>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
>>>> 
>>>> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
>>>> 
>>>> Go with new?
>>>> Upgrade entire mount system?
>>>> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Bob
>>>> Sunapee, NH
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was 
>>> scrubbed...
>>> Name: Broken Motor Mount.jpg
>>> Type: image/jpeg
>>> Size: 112116 bytes
>>> Desc: Broken Motor Mount.jpg
>>> URL: <
>>> 
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160623/c6f0
>> 1631/attachment.jpg
>>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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>>> 
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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>> 
> __________________________________________________
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 15:57:22 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 15:57:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
In-Reply-To: <015801d1cd85$08dbebf0$1a93c3d0$@net>
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I'll be on my boat tomorrow and get some pics meanwhile here is one I took
a few months back, but it doesn't show the slide mechanism which is much
more robust than the older set-up. Price-wise you'll have to ask Stan or I
will try to find out for you

Waif - 1984 Rhodes - rescued by me 2013



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Larry Allen <larrywallen at verizon.net>
wrote:

> I'd also like to see the manual lift and the cost.
>
> Larry
> Sarasota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Richard Stott
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 1:56 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>
> Richard
> I?d love to see a picture of your manual lift.
> ric
> sv Dadventure
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual
> > one Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp
> > Tohatsu 4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >
> > Richard Beytagh
> > Phone: 828 337 0180
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your
> >> motor, why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in
> >> the grey piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the
> whole thing.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester <
> >> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat.
> >>> The Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the
> >>> ONLY
> >> thing
> >>> keeping the motor verticle!
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >>> Of Hank
> >>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
> >>>
> >>> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
> >>>
> >>> Hank
> >>> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
> >> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
> >>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
> >>>>
> >>>> Go with new?
> >>>> Upgrade entire mount system?
> >>>> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>> Bob
> >>>> Sunapee, NH
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>
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> >>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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> >>>>
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> >>> __________________________________________________
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> >>> URL: <
> >>>
> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160623/c6f0
> >> 1631/attachment.jpg
> >>>>
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>
>
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>
>
>
>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jun 23 16:02:11 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 20:02:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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Richard seems to be having some trouble posting the photo and he sent it to me directly.  I'm posting on his behalf.  This looks like an earlier version.  I'm not sure how he raises it.  Guess a grab and yank technique.

There have been various motor mount styles over the years.  The one like Richards at some point was replace by a pulley system that used several pulleys and a pull rope to achieve a 7 to 1 advantage.  A big improvement over the grab and yank technique.  The newest mount uses electrically operated winch with the winch being mounted in the laz and the winch strap running through the stern and over the mount to the mounting plate.  A simple push on the switch raises or lowers the engine.  That's what is on my 1998 and I love it!  It's decadent to push a button and have the motor raise and lower. - Rob

Rob Lowe


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From larrywallen at verizon.net  Thu Jun 23 17:42:01 2016
From: larrywallen at verizon.net (Larry Allen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 17:42:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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Ok/thanks

Larry
Sarasota


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 3:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount

I'll be on my boat tomorrow and get some pics meanwhile here is one I took
a few months back, but it doesn't show the slide mechanism which is much
more robust than the older set-up. Price-wise you'll have to ask Stan or I
will try to find out for you

Waif - 1984 Rhodes - rescued by me 2013



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 3:25 PM, Larry Allen <larrywallen at verizon.net>
wrote:

> I'd also like to see the manual lift and the cost.
>
> Larry
> Sarasota
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Richard Stott
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 1:56 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>
> Richard
> I?d love to see a picture of your manual lift.
> ric
> sv Dadventure
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 23, 2016, at 12:49 PM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual
> > one Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp
> > Tohatsu 4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >
> > Richard Beytagh
> > Phone: 828 337 0180
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your
> >> motor, why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in
> >> the grey piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the
> whole thing.
> >>
> >> Rick
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester <
> >> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat.
> >>> The Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the
> >>> ONLY
> >> thing
> >>> keeping the motor verticle!
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >> Behalf
> >>> Of Hank
> >>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
> >>>
> >>> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
> >>>
> >>> Hank
> >>> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
> >> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
> >>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
> >>>>
> >>>> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
> >>>>
> >>>> Go with new?
> >>>> Upgrade entire mount system?
> >>>> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>> Bob
> >>>> Sunapee, NH
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>
> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> >>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>
> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was
> >>> scrubbed...
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> >>> URL: <
> >>>
> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160623/c6f0
> >> 1631/attachment.jpg
> >>>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >> __________________________________________________
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> >>
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> >
> > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
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> > __________________________________________________
>
>
>
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
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>
> __________________________________________________
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From stan at rhodes22.com  Thu Jun 23 18:40:01 2016
From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 18:40:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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Message-ID: <a31ca935-1420-d987-d133-a094ff871538@rhodes22.com>



and then automatically tilt when it arrives at top of its vertical run;  
but only for members in good standing in the C of S community.   All 
others contact Richard Beytagh.

ss

On 6/23/16 4:02 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
> Richard seems to be having some trouble posting the photo and he sent it to me directly.  I'm posting on his behalf.  This looks like an earlier version.  I'm not sure how he raises it.  Guess a grab and yank technique.
>
> There have been various motor mount styles over the years.  The one like Richards at some point was replace by a pulley system that used several pulleys and a pull rope to achieve a 7 to 1 advantage.  A big improvement over the grab and yank technique.  The newest mount uses electrically operated winch with the winch being mounted in the laz and the winch strap running through the stern and over the mount to the mounting plate.  A simple push on the switch raises or lowers the engine.  That's what is on my 1998 and I love it!  It's decadent to push a button and have the motor raise and lower. . . . .- Rob
>
> Rob Lowe
>
>
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> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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From larrywallen at verizon.net  Thu Jun 23 19:50:49 2016
From: larrywallen at verizon.net (Larry Allen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:50:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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Most of the message appears to be missing.

Larry
Sarasota


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Stan Spitzer
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:40 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount



and then automatically tilt when it arrives at top of its vertical run;  
but only for members in good standing in the C of S community.   All 
others contact Richard Beytagh.

ss

On 6/23/16 4:02 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
> Richard seems to be having some trouble posting the photo and he sent it
to me directly.  I'm posting on his behalf.  This looks like an earlier
version.  I'm not sure how he raises it.  Guess a grab and yank technique.
>
> There have been various motor mount styles over the years.  The one 
> like Richards at some point was replace by a pulley system that used 
> several pulleys and a pull rope to achieve a 7 to 1 advantage.  A big 
> improvement over the grab and yank technique.  The newest mount uses 
> electrically operated winch with the winch being mounted in the laz 
> and the winch strap running through the stern and over the mount to 
> the mounting plate.  A simple push on the switch raises or lowers the 
> engine.  That's what is on my 1998 and I love it!  It's decadent to 
> push a button and have the motor raise and lower. . . . .- Rob
>
> Rob Lowe
>
>
> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was 
> scrubbed...
> Name: richards motor mount.jpg
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> URL: 
> <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160623/b532
> beb7/attachment.jpg> 
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives 
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 23 19:54:49 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 19:54:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
In-Reply-To: <017d01d1cdaa$121426e0$363c74a0$@net>
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Nope, it's all there. Stan was continuing on from the end of the last
comment.

Hank
On Jun 23, 2016 7:51 PM, "Larry Allen" <larrywallen at verizon.net> wrote:

> Most of the message appears to be missing.
>
> Larry
> Sarasota
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Stan Spitzer
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:40 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>
>
>
> and then automatically tilt when it arrives at top of its vertical run;
> but only for members in good standing in the C of S community.   All
> others contact Richard Beytagh.
>
> ss
>
> On 6/23/16 4:02 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
> > Richard seems to be having some trouble posting the photo and he sent it
> to me directly.  I'm posting on his behalf.  This looks like an earlier
> version.  I'm not sure how he raises it.  Guess a grab and yank technique.
> >
> > There have been various motor mount styles over the years.  The one
> > like Richards at some point was replace by a pulley system that used
> > several pulleys and a pull rope to achieve a 7 to 1 advantage.  A big
> > improvement over the grab and yank technique.  The newest mount uses
> > electrically operated winch with the winch being mounted in the laz
> > and the winch strap running through the stern and over the mount to
> > the mounting plate.  A simple push on the switch raises or lowers the
> > engine.  That's what is on my 1998 and I love it!  It's decadent to
> > push a button and have the motor raise and lower. . . . .- Rob
> >
> > Rob Lowe
> >
> >
> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was
> > scrubbed...
> > Name: richards motor mount.jpg
> > Type: image/jpeg
> > Size: 194552 bytes
> > Desc: richards motor mount.jpg
> > URL:
> > <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160623/b532
> > beb7/attachment.jpg>
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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> >
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> > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>
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From bridges.brooks at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 07:58:49 2016
From: bridges.brooks at gmail.com (thebooker)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 04:58:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First post, purchased an 89 Rhodes this spring.
In-Reply-To: <1466116940613-52120.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1465504193154-52076.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Welcome Talbot

I've been through two big boats and many small ones myself and really
enjoying the Rhodes. Finally getting mine the way I want it. Looks like it
will be my boat for many years and last step will be to hook up the Tiller
Pilot. Had one previously and loved it. 

Hasn't been a priority because last year, with a hanked-on small jib, boat
sailed it self so well (on a reach) just locking the tiller - it would go
for 10 or 15 minutes. Now that I've gone to a 130 furling jib it seems to
have lost that feature and wanders off in less than a minute. Because I
single hand frequently I also want the auto-tacking feature.

Anyway, welcome to a great group with tons of info via the nice search
feature. 

Brooks Bridges
R22 1988, recycled 2008 "Changes"
Cambridge, MD  - Choptank River



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From bridges.brooks at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 08:07:25 2016
From: bridges.brooks at gmail.com (thebooker)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 05:07:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
	side
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Mary Lou,

Sorry to see you go to the dark side but glad you'll still be on the water
and the list. I've always thought your posts were among the best.

And at anchor, Tara will be just as quiet as Fretless :)


Brooks Bridges
Changes
1988/2008 R22
Cambridge, MD 





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Cambridge, MD
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From bridges.brooks at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 10:00:09 2016
From: bridges.brooks at gmail.com (thebooker)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 07:00:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
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Richard,

I recently got a 130 and was wondering about where to put the car. Then I
noticed, when on stbd, there was a "Trimline" on the sail right above the
clew. When I moved car fwd until sheet angled up to clew at same angle as
"Trimline" on sail, I noticed all 3 levels of tell tails on jib started
fluttering at the same time.  I read up and seems the trimline gets you in
the ball park and the tell tails all fluttering at same time is proof that
it's "right".

Brooks
"Changes"
Cambridge Md





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1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
Cambridge, MD
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 10:44:32 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:44:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First post, purchased an 89 Rhodes this spring.
In-Reply-To: <1466769529780-52182.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Brooks,

That's interesting about your 130.  My 170 sails neutral with the IMF.

Rick

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 7:58 AM, thebooker <bridges.brooks at gmail.com> wrote:

> Welcome Talbot
>
> I've been through two big boats and many small ones myself and really
> enjoying the Rhodes. Finally getting mine the way I want it. Looks like it
> will be my boat for many years and last step will be to hook up the Tiller
> Pilot. Had one previously and loved it.
>
> Hasn't been a priority because last year, with a hanked-on small jib, boat
> sailed it self so well (on a reach) just locking the tiller - it would go
> for 10 or 15 minutes. Now that I've gone to a 130 furling jib it seems to
> have lost that feature and wanders off in less than a minute. Because I
> single hand frequently I also want the auto-tacking feature.
>
> Anyway, welcome to a great group with tons of info via the nice search
> feature.
>
> Brooks Bridges
> R22 1988, recycled 2008 "Changes"
> Cambridge, MD  - Choptank River
>
>
>
> -----
> Brooks Bridges
> 1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
> Cambridge, MD
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/First-post-purchased-an-89-Rhodes-this-spring-tp52076p52182.html
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Fri Jun 24 13:39:44 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 13:39:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What happens when Rhodies go over to the dark
 side
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Amazingly, underway at slow speeds, Tara is almost as quiet as 
Fretless was motoring at a reasonable clip. Of course Tara at slow 
speeds is still doing 6-8 knots. The Yamaha 115 seems awfully quiet 
for the amount of horsepower and fortunately, the outboard is a long 
way from the helm station. And if you close the doors to the cockpit, 
it's even quieter.

The thing I will miss the most, other than the sailing on glorious 
days, is the closeness to the water from the Rhodes cockpit. One good 
thing about the Rossi is that there are doors on either side of the 
cabin next to the helmsman's and mate's seats so that there is still 
that sense of being close to the water.

And thanks for the compliments about my writing. I've always tried to 
be helpful and clear. Glad to know I've succeeded at least some of the time.

And look for us on the water. The Choptank is a favorite destination.

Mary Lou
formerly 1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless
now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
soon to be in Rock Hall, MD


At 08:07 AM 6/24/2016, you wrote:
>Mary Lou,
>
>Sorry to see you go to the dark side but glad you'll still be on the water
>and the list. I've always thought your posts were among the best.
>
>And at anchor, Tara will be just as quiet as Fretless :)
>
>
>Brooks Bridges
>Changes
>1988/2008 R22
>Cambridge, MD
>
>
>
>
>
>-----
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>1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
>Cambridge, MD
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From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Fri Jun 24 14:51:28 2016
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 18:51:28 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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Thank you all for the feedback. Will someone kindly post when Stan has announced his new motor lift? I'm thinking I would be one (more) person asking/emailing about it & I know I get enough email already!

I'm sure Stan does too!?



Bob

Sunapee, NH



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 7:55 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount



Nope, it's all there. Stan was continuing on from the end of the last comment.



Hank

On Jun 23, 2016 7:51 PM, "Larry Allen" <larrywallen at verizon.net<mailto:larrywallen at verizon.net>> wrote:



> Most of the message appears to be missing.

>

> Larry

> Sarasota

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On

> Behalf Of Stan Spitzer

> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2016 6:40 PM

> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List

> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount

>

>

>

> and then automatically tilt when it arrives at top of its vertical run;

> but only for members in good standing in the C of S community.   All

> others contact Richard Beytagh.

>

> ss

>

> On 6/23/16 4:02 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote:

> > Richard seems to be having some trouble posting the photo and he

> > sent it

> to me directly.  I'm posting on his behalf.  This looks like an

> earlier version.  I'm not sure how he raises it.  Guess a grab and yank technique.

> >

> > There have been various motor mount styles over the years.  The one

> > like Richards at some point was replace by a pulley system that used

> > several pulleys and a pull rope to achieve a 7 to 1 advantage.  A

> > big improvement over the grab and yank technique.  The newest mount

> > uses electrically operated winch with the winch being mounted in the

> > laz and the winch strap running through the stern and over the mount

> > to the mounting plate.  A simple push on the switch raises or lowers

> > the engine.  That's what is on my 1998 and I love it!  It's decadent

> > to push a button and have the motor raise and lower. . . . .- Rob

> >

> > Rob Lowe

> >

> >

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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 15:14:12 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 15:14:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing right angles
In-Reply-To: <1466776809597-52184.post@n5.nabble.com>
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You've got it...As a rule of thumb the line of the sheeting point should
intercept your luff at right angles.

S/V Waif



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:00 AM, thebooker <bridges.brooks at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Richard,
>
> I recently got a 130 and was wondering about where to put the car. Then I
> noticed, when on stbd, there was a "Trimline" on the sail right above the
> clew. When I moved car fwd until sheet angled up to clew at same angle as
> "Trimline" on sail, I noticed all 3 levels of tell tails on jib started
> fluttering at the same time.  I read up and seems the trimline gets you in
> the ball park and the tell tails all fluttering at same time is proof that
> it's "right".
>
> Brooks
> "Changes"
> Cambridge Md
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Brooks Bridges
> 1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
> Cambridge, MD
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Sailing-right-angles-tp52048p52184.html
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From bridges.brooks at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 18:13:43 2016
From: bridges.brooks at gmail.com (thebooker)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 15:13:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <000f01d1c8a6$b9bd91f0$2d38b5d0$@ca>
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Graham,

" the front brace (with the V cushion) should first be retracted all the way
and 
then returned to touch the bow of the boat only once it is hauled out. "

Ah, I've never seen this mentioned here previously but sounds like exactly
what I need to do. Thanks so much. 

I've had good success motoring onto trailer at 2 knots or so and getting
boat up to V but when I pull it out, even a little, bow lifts away. I cannot
crank hard enough to move boat further fwd. 

As I have only a 1/2 mile from launch to house and speeds below 20 mph, I've
left it . Attempts to bring fwd by heading down hill (slightly) and slamming
on brakes did not move boat. Tongue weight seems fine. 

This being Maryland, I fear I'll have to pay to get brakes fixed (totally
disintegrated)  before I can pass inspection to get a tag for longer
trailering. Right now I do what so many locals do and take chance with out
of date tag for the 1/2 mile tow. 

I do launch with trailer extender back about 2'. This seems to get boat just
deep enough into water with truck tires in water just touching bottom of
rims.

Brooks Bridges
"Changes" 88/2008
Cambridge MD



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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Jun 24 19:35:14 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 19:35:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Brooks:
What you are doing seems very similar to my situation. You will never get
the boat completely forward to the point where the bow touches the bow pad
while it is retracted - and shouldn't try. The boat seems to find its own
place. 

Make sure the bunks are wet and submerged when you retrieve the boat. I back
the trailer into the water to the point where the forward tips of the bunks
are at the surface of the water. When you move the boat onto the trailer the
bunks will stop the boat. The boat will not go any further and will be in
the correct position. It takes herculean effort to move is any further and
that is neither warranted or desirable. 

The winch strap will hold the boat in place while you exit the ramp. You
should put the strap on the bow eye and winch it in so that it is snug and
once the boat is on the level release the winch, move the bow pad back to
touch the bow, and then snug the winch strap again. The bow will raise up
when you release the strap but the boat will not move back. The strap should
be snug without slack but not under heavy tension. 


It the tongue weight is too light you probably should move things forward on
the boat before you try drastic actions placing the boat on the trailer. You
might also move the motor off the stern if it is particularly heavy.

Your short trip of a few miles at low speed to the launch reflects the same
situation that applies to me. I don't worry about it at all. If I were
traveling at highway speeds over a greater distance I would check the tongue
weight.

The potential of sway increases dramatically with speed. At low speed you
will not even notice. At high speed sway can literally drag your tow vehicle
off the road.


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
thebooker
Sent: June 24, 2016 6:14 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

Graham,

" the front brace (with the V cushion) should first be retracted all the way
and then returned to touch the bow of the boat only once it is hauled out. "

Ah, I've never seen this mentioned here previously but sounds like exactly
what I need to do. Thanks so much. 

I've had good success motoring onto trailer at 2 knots or so and getting
boat up to V but when I pull it out, even a little, bow lifts away. I cannot
crank hard enough to move boat further fwd. 

As I have only a 1/2 mile from launch to house and speeds below 20 mph, I've
left it . Attempts to bring fwd by heading down hill (slightly) and slamming
on brakes did not move boat. Tongue weight seems fine. 

This being Maryland, I fear I'll have to pay to get brakes fixed (totally
disintegrated)  before I can pass inspection to get a tag for longer
trailering. Right now I do what so many locals do and take chance with out
of date tag for the 1/2 mile tow. 

I do launch with trailer extender back about 2'. This seems to get boat just
deep enough into water with truck tires in water just touching bottom of
rims.

Brooks Bridges
"Changes" 88/2008
Cambridge MD



-----
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1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
Cambridge, MD
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From jbconnolly at comcast.net  Fri Jun 24 20:57:45 2016
From: jbconnolly at comcast.net (Jim Connolly)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 20:57:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Brooks,
I am a former owner.  When I hauled in 2004 I neglected to rinse the brakes.
I didn't launch in 2005 because of the birth of my younger son.  By spring
of 2006, the brakes were rusted beyond ability to function, indeed almost
beyond recognition.  I had no choice other than to repair.  My trip to the
ramp was about 40 miles, much of it on the highway, and with a small tow
vehicle.

I replaced them with either the 10" or 12" "galvex" brake kits from Champion
Trailer Parts Supply http://www.championtrailers.com/ You could tell which
by measuring your current drums.  As best I can recall, they were 4 bolts on
the end of each axle.  

While I was at it, I also replaced the brake lines (because I stepped on
one) and added a fresh water flushing kit (in hopes of keeping this set
longer).  It seemed to work.

It's not at all difficult if you are even a bit handy.  If you are not that
handy, do you know someone who is?

Good luck

Jim Connolly

Former owner 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
thebooker
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2016 6:14 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

Graham,

" the front brace (with the V cushion) should first be retracted all the way
and then returned to touch the bow of the boat only once it is hauled out. "

Ah, I've never seen this mentioned here previously but sounds like exactly
what I need to do. Thanks so much. 

I've had good success motoring onto trailer at 2 knots or so and getting
boat up to V but when I pull it out, even a little, bow lifts away. I cannot
crank hard enough to move boat further fwd. 

As I have only a 1/2 mile from launch to house and speeds below 20 mph, I've
left it . Attempts to bring fwd by heading down hill (slightly) and slamming
on brakes did not move boat. Tongue weight seems fine. 

This being Maryland, I fear I'll have to pay to get brakes fixed (totally
disintegrated)  before I can pass inspection to get a tag for longer
trailering. Right now I do what so many locals do and take chance with out
of date tag for the 1/2 mile tow. 

I do launch with trailer extender back about 2'. This seems to get boat just
deep enough into water with truck tires in water just touching bottom of
rims.

Brooks Bridges
"Changes" 88/2008
Cambridge MD



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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Fri Jun 24 20:13:01 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 20:13:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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Here's some pics of my manual motor lift. It's similar to the earlier
model, but with beefed up rails, a more substantial engine mount and an 8:1
pulley system. Electric lift is nice, but I find very easy to manually lift
my engine.

BTW the beautiful engine cover is made by fellow R22 owner Philip Gautier
who sails out of Toronto and owns a sewing machine....thanks Phil
On Jun 23, 2016 12:49 PM, "Richard Beytagh" <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual one
>  Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp Tohatsu
> 4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your
>> motor,
>> why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in the grey
>> piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the whole thing.
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. The
>> > Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the ONLY
>> thing
>> > keeping the motor verticle!
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> Behalf
>> > Of Hank
>> > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>> >
>> > Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
>> >
>> > Hank
>> > On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
>> > >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello,
>> > >
>> > > The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
>> > >
>> > > The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
>> > >
>> > > Go with new?
>> > > Upgrade entire mount system?
>> > > Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
>> > >
>> > > Thanks in advance,
>> > > Bob
>> > > Sunapee, NH
>> > > __________________________________________________
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sat Jun 25 08:03:41 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 08:03:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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Thanks for the photos Richard.
It looks like when the mount is pulled up, the prop clears the water. Is that true , or do you still have to tilt the motor? If it's true, I would like to purchase this if Stan is listening. 
Ric
SV Dadventure
HB NY
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 24, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Here's some pics of my manual motor lift. It's similar to the earlier
> model, but with beefed up rails, a more substantial engine mount and an 8:1
> pulley system. Electric lift is nice, but I find very easy to manually lift
> my engine.
> 
> BTW the beautiful engine cover is made by fellow R22 owner Philip Gautier
> who sails out of Toronto and owns a sewing machine....thanks Phil
>> On Jun 23, 2016 12:49 PM, "Richard Beytagh" <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual one
>> Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp Tohatsu
>> 4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>> 
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your
>>> motor,
>>> why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in the grey
>>> piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the whole thing.
>>> 
>>> Rick
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester <
>>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. The
>>>> Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the ONLY
>>> thing
>>>> keeping the motor verticle!
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Hank
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
>>>> 
>>>> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
>>>> 
>>>> Hank
>>>> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
>>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Go with new?
>>>>> Upgrade entire mount system?
>>>>> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> Sunapee, NH
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>> 
>>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
>>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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>>> go
>>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Sat Jun 25 09:08:21 2016
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:08:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
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Yes it does and I have the long shaft Tohatsu (20")



~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

On Sat, Jun 25, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for the photos Richard.
> It looks like when the mount is pulled up, the prop clears the water. Is
> that true , or do you still have to tilt the motor? If it's true, I would
> like to purchase this if Stan is listening.
> Ric
> SV Dadventure
> HB NY
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 24, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Here's some pics of my manual motor lift. It's similar to the earlier
> > model, but with beefed up rails, a more substantial engine mount and an
> 8:1
> > pulley system. Electric lift is nice, but I find very easy to manually
> lift
> > my engine.
> >
> > BTW the beautiful engine cover is made by fellow R22 owner Philip Gautier
> > who sails out of Toronto and owns a sewing machine....thanks Phil
> >> On Jun 23, 2016 12:49 PM, "Richard Beytagh" <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I had one just like your's and I replaced it with Stan's new manual one
> >> Much better, easier to raise the engine and it handles a 9hp Tohatsu
> >> 4-stroke with ease. Its worth the investment.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >>
> >> Richard Beytagh
> >> Phone: 828 337 0180
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I expect that's of very early vintage.  But if it works OK with your
> >>> motor,
> >>> why not epoxy fiberglass or carbon fiber mat over the crack in the grey
> >>> piece?  Otherwise, Stan should have something to replace the whole
> thing.
> >>>
> >>> Rick
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:30 PM, C. Robert Lester <
> >>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The following pics show the Motor Mount trolley removed from boat. The
> >>>> Grey Plastic/Composite piece is cracked. The face board was the ONLY
> >>> thing
> >>>> keeping the motor verticle!
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> >>> Behalf
> >>>> Of Hank
> >>>> Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:03 PM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] '84 Rhodes 22...needing Motor Mount
> >>>>
> >>>> Pictures to help describe the issue would help.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hank
> >>>> On Jun 20, 2016 8:56 PM, "C. Robert Lester" <
> >>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The bad news is our Rhodes needs a new Motor Mount.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The Good news is our Rhodes is not a true Sailboat (only).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Go with new?
> >>>>> Upgrade entire mount system?
> >>>>> Fabricate a new mounting plate as the lift works fine?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>>> Bob
> >>>>> Sunapee, NH
> >>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and
> archives
> >>>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> >>>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>>>
> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives
> >>> go
> >>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Jun 28 22:23:35 2016
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:23:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Video: Storage Solutions
Message-ID: <F373FC6B-04B1-4B08-ACDF-B3C597C32E9B@sunnybeeches.com>

Silverheels has finally been launched for its first season on the water with my wife and me.  Two things kept the boat on its trailer in my yard longer than expected. First, about a month ago I managed to lose my balance and fall off the boat, breaking my collar-bone when I hit the ground.  Second, we hope to use the boat for cruising - voyages of up to a week long.  This would require bringing along a lot of ?stuff?, so some thought and effort went into figuring out where to put all of this ?stuff?. And, of course, having a broken collar-bone slowed this project down a bit.

I?m sure I picked up many nuggets of inspiration for all this in the trolling through the list archives that I did over the winter.  And Kim and I have both read Mary Lou?s chapter in ?Sailing Small? several times, so some ideas for provisioning have doubtless come from there as well.

Anyway, making YouTube videos is just something I do now, so there?s a video about some of the storage solutions we?ve come up with:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNDjEH-MYg <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXNDjEH-MYg>

The next project is becoming better and more confident sailors.  Practice, practice, practice, I figure.  It?s going to be a long summer.

In case anyone is wondering, the location of the video is Pine Island Marina in Groton, CT.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

From Mark-Olson at verizon.net  Wed Jun 29 14:09:00 2016
From: Mark-Olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 11:09:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Message-ID: <1467223740070-52197.post@n5.nabble.com>

I just bought a used trailer which I need to fit to the boat.  Your diagram
is exactly what I need to do it.

I do have a couple questions though.

1 - In pictures I have seen a center bunk support.  Does your trailer have
it?  What is the height/location?

2 - Are measurements center to center.  For example the axle distance from
the rear of the trailer.  Is the 70" from the rear of the trailer or the
center of the bunk support?

3 - Several experienced sailors have told me to put weight on the keel -
don't let is all rest on the bunk.  But your diagram and pictures show there
is no keel support.  Is this correct - all the weight is on the bunks?

Mark Olson
Have trailer - next I'm getting a 1983 which has IMF and needs cabin work.



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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 14:27:11 2016
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:27:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <1467223740070-52197.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <007401d1c834$4a9ddf90$dfd99eb0$@ca>
 <F5B3842B-2B64-440C-A789-F2B304BBC402@steelbone.com>
 <e25f312347204aff8dcfb0cabaa5c7f1@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
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Message-ID: <CADQNfMBu+p3nP2CH2RvOvOLObYwAGXovR+B3XQM3nMHY76dV_A@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

The Rhodes is built different than most sailboats. The keel is not designed
to hold the weight of the boat.

Hank
On Jun 29, 2016 2:09 PM, "Mark Olson" <Mark-Olson at verizon.net> wrote:

> I just bought a used trailer which I need to fit to the boat.  Your diagram
> is exactly what I need to do it.
>
> I do have a couple questions though.
>
> 1 - In pictures I have seen a center bunk support.  Does your trailer have
> it?  What is the height/location?
>
> 2 - Are measurements center to center.  For example the axle distance from
> the rear of the trailer.  Is the 70" from the rear of the trailer or the
> center of the bunk support?
>
> 3 - Several experienced sailors have told me to put weight on the keel -
> don't let is all rest on the bunk.  But your diagram and pictures show
> there
> is no keel support.  Is this correct - all the weight is on the bunks?
>
> Mark Olson
> Have trailer - next I'm getting a 1983 which has IMF and needs cabin work.
>
>
>
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> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Triad-Trailer-brakes-and-adjustments-tp52121p52197.html
> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jun 29 14:36:10 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:36:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <1467223740070-52197.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <002f01d1d235$1b995bb0$52cc1310$@ca>

Mark:
I am not sure who you are asking the question of but I can tell you that the
boat rests entirely on the bunks - not the keel. I originally had a support
under the keel p-laced there by a previous owner and the keel developed
serious cracking that might have been caused by the boat bouncing on its
keel. That was a hell of a fix. 

I have attached a picture of a trailer which someone posted and is identical
to mine. I have also attached the dimension diagram that shows the exact
position of the axel in relation to the frame.

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Mark Olson
Sent: June 29, 2016 2:09 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

I just bought a used trailer which I need to fit to the boat.  Your diagram
is exactly what I need to do it.

I do have a couple questions though.

1 - In pictures I have seen a center bunk support.  Does your trailer have
it?  What is the height/location?

2 - Are measurements center to center.  For example the axle distance from
the rear of the trailer.  Is the 70" from the rear of the trailer or the
center of the bunk support?

3 - Several experienced sailors have told me to put weight on the keel -
don't let is all rest on the bunk.  But your diagram and pictures show there
is no keel support.  Is this correct - all the weight is on the bunks?

Mark Olson
Have trailer - next I'm getting a 1983 which has IMF and needs cabin work.



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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 15:44:18 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:44:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <002f01d1d235$1b995bb0$52cc1310$@ca>
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It depends on which model of the R22 you have.  My diamond board keel has
supported my boat for 20 years with no ill effect.  In fact, I would be
afraid of deforming the hull if the bunks did anything other than stabilize
the boat on the trailer.

Rick

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Mark:
> I am not sure who you are asking the question of but I can tell you that
> the
> boat rests entirely on the bunks - not the keel. I originally had a support
> under the keel p-laced there by a previous owner and the keel developed
> serious cracking that might have been caused by the boat bouncing on its
> keel. That was a hell of a fix.
>
> I have attached a picture of a trailer which someone posted and is
> identical
> to mine. I have also attached the dimension diagram that shows the exact
> position of the axel in relation to the frame.
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Mark Olson
> Sent: June 29, 2016 2:09 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
>
> I just bought a used trailer which I need to fit to the boat.  Your diagram
> is exactly what I need to do it.
>
> I do have a couple questions though.
>
> 1 - In pictures I have seen a center bunk support.  Does your trailer have
> it?  What is the height/location?
>
> 2 - Are measurements center to center.  For example the axle distance from
> the rear of the trailer.  Is the 70" from the rear of the trailer or the
> center of the bunk support?
>
> 3 - Several experienced sailors have told me to put weight on the keel -
> don't let is all rest on the bunk.  But your diagram and pictures show
> there
> is no keel support.  Is this correct - all the weight is on the bunks?
>
> Mark Olson
> Have trailer - next I'm getting a 1983 which has IMF and needs cabin work.
>
>
>
> --
> View this message in context:
>
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Triad-Trailer-brakes-and-adjustments-
> tp52121p52197.html
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Jun 29 15:52:24 2016
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:52:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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This is an important conversation since I am rebuilding a Triad single axel myself. 
The diagram that Mark attached does not include the ?guide boards at either side of the CB trunk. 
Is that the correct name for them? 
Is that their purpose - guidance only? 
Ric 
sv Dadventure

> On Jun 29, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> It depends on which model of the R22 you have.  My diamond board keel has
> supported my boat for 20 years with no ill effect.  In fact, I would be
> afraid of deforming the hull if the bunks did anything other than stabilize
> the boat on the trailer.
> 
> Rick
> 
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
>> Mark:
>> I am not sure who you are asking the question of but I can tell you that
>> the
>> boat rests entirely on the bunks - not the keel. I originally had a support
>> under the keel p-laced there by a previous owner and the keel developed
>> serious cracking that might have been caused by the boat bouncing on its
>> keel. That was a hell of a fix.
>> 
>> I have attached a picture of a trailer which someone posted and is
>> identical
>> to mine. I have also attached the dimension diagram that shows the exact
>> position of the axel in relation to the frame.
>> 
>> Graham
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Mark Olson
>> Sent: June 29, 2016 2:09 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
>> 
>> I just bought a used trailer which I need to fit to the boat.  Your diagram
>> is exactly what I need to do it.
>> 
>> I do have a couple questions though.
>> 
>> 1 - In pictures I have seen a center bunk support.  Does your trailer have
>> it?  What is the height/location?
>> 
>> 2 - Are measurements center to center.  For example the axle distance from
>> the rear of the trailer.  Is the 70" from the rear of the trailer or the
>> center of the bunk support?
>> 
>> 3 - Several experienced sailors have told me to put weight on the keel -
>> don't let is all rest on the bunk.  But your diagram and pictures show
>> there
>> is no keel support.  Is this correct - all the weight is on the bunks?
>> 
>> Mark Olson
>> Have trailer - next I'm getting a 1983 which has IMF and needs cabin work.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> View this message in context:
>> 
>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Triad-Trailer-brakes-and-adjustments-
>> tp52121p52197.html
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Jun 29 16:37:51 2016
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:37:51 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <8D745009-8B00-4B11-85E7-2507935F2919@steelbone.com>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <007401d1c834$4a9ddf90$dfd99eb0$@ca>
 <F5B3842B-2B64-440C-A789-F2B304BBC402@steelbone.com>
 <e25f312347204aff8dcfb0cabaa5c7f1@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
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Ric,
Good question.  The photo that Graham included:
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160629/59e4a8a3/attachment.jpg

does have  the (my words) the guide boards and keel support boards.  My Triad trailer has both and I believe both are necessary.  The keel support boards (in my experience) keep the keel vertical and the boat positioned properly when transporting.  Before I replaced all of my boards, the keel support boards rotten, broke, and provided no lateral support.  During transport, my whole boat rotated a couple of degrees and ended up cockeyed on the trailer because there was nothing to prevent the keel from moving.  I believe those boards are needed for that reason.

As far as the guide boards, they greatly aid in loading the boat if used correctly.  I always had a devil of a time getting my boat positioned correctly on the trailer when pulling the boat.  I'd get it cockeyed and even once had the keel rest on top of the keel support board, which broke it.  I learned from discussion on this list (might have even been from Stan), that is you leave the centerboard down when loading it's a piece of cake.  The centerboard will center the boat up using the guide boards and then centerboard will lift up when it hits the roller on the trailer.  Now all you have to do it winch the boat up into position.  You must remember to then pull up and secure the centerboard.  You don't want the centerboard unsecured during transport and certainly not when putting it.  I can load perfectly every time now.  I believe Stan does it this way and he actually will motor up on to the trailer.  I don't have the courage to try this but he swears by it.  

Rob Lowe



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:52 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

This is an important conversation since I am rebuilding a Triad single axel myself. 
The diagram that Mark attached does not include the ?guide boards at either side of the CB trunk. 
Is that the correct name for them? 
Is that their purpose - guidance only? 
Ric
sv Dadventure


From Mark-Olson at verizon.net  Wed Jun 29 18:49:29 2016
From: Mark-Olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:49:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36Yy+gYKEurYq5TUr8bW8jbUL8m3Wwm5y6R8ANOQDH_z8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1466119745650-52121.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1467240569308-52203.post@n5.nabble.com>

The R22 I'll be getting is a 1983.  I called General Boats but they said they
weren't making them in 1983.

What year is yours?  Could anyone else tell me what year they have and do
they have keel support?

One option I've been thinking of is trailer it on bunks only and put a small
screw jack under the keel for storage.  In my case I'll be on a mooring for
summer and the trailer for the winter.

Also I'm so new to the R22 I don't know what you mean by a diamond center
board.  I did some looking on this forum and it seems the R22 was switched
to diamond center board after at least 1986.

Another question - Are the bunks at a specific angle or on a swivel?

Mark



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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jun 29 19:11:39 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 19:11:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Just for clarity in case I misunderstood the initial question, the trailer makes use of guide boards BESIDE the keel which serve to center the  boat on the trailer but as I understand it there is no support UNDER the keel. The roller at the front of the V shaped guides is intended to raise the centerboard when it is left down but does not take any of the boat's weight. I admit that it seems strange to leave the boat hanging on the bunks but there is nothing on the trailer to attach any keel support. And yes the hull does deform - at least my older vintage boats has. 

I was straightened out on this point a few years back and long after my keel was damaged. I don't know that the support under the keel did the damage but I am suspicious of it. 

If anyone has figured out how to avoid hull deformation I would like to know about it. I see it particularly on the starboard side over the forward strut. Has anyone tried to reinforce the hull with additional layers of fibreglass?


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
Sent: June 29, 2016 4:38 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

Ric,
Good question.  The photo that Graham included:
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160629/59e4a8a3/attachment.jpg

does have  the (my words) the guide boards and keel support boards.  My Triad trailer has both and I believe both are necessary.  The keel support boards (in my experience) keep the keel vertical and the boat positioned properly when transporting.  Before I replaced all of my boards, the keel support boards rotten, broke, and provided no lateral support.  During transport, my whole boat rotated a couple of degrees and ended up cockeyed on the trailer because there was nothing to prevent the keel from moving.  I believe those boards are needed for that reason.

As far as the guide boards, they greatly aid in loading the boat if used correctly.  I always had a devil of a time getting my boat positioned correctly on the trailer when pulling the boat.  I'd get it cockeyed and even once had the keel rest on top of the keel support board, which broke it.  I learned from discussion on this list (might have even been from Stan), that is you leave the centerboard down when loading it's a piece of cake.  The centerboard will center the boat up using the guide boards and then centerboard will lift up when it hits the roller on the trailer.  Now all you have to do it winch the boat up into position.  You must remember to then pull up and secure the centerboard.  You don't want the centerboard unsecured during transport and certainly not when putting it.  I can load perfectly every time now.  I believe Stan does it this way and he actually will motor up on to the trailer.  I don't have the courage to try this but he swears by it.  

Rob Lowe



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:52 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

This is an important conversation since I am rebuilding a Triad single axel myself. 
The diagram that Mark attached does not include the ?guide boards at either side of the CB trunk. 
Is that the correct name for them? 
Is that their purpose - guidance only? 
Ric
sv Dadventure

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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 20:06:52 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 17:06:52 -0700 (MST)
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My hull also deforms at this same spot.
Talbot

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 7:11 PM Graham Stewart [via Rhodes 22] <
ml-node+s1065344n52204h3 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Just for clarity in case I misunderstood the initial question, the trailer
> makes use of guide boards BESIDE the keel which serve to center the  boat
> on the trailer but as I understand it there is no support UNDER the keel.
> The roller at the front of the V shaped guides is intended to raise the
> centerboard when it is left down but does not take any of the boat's
> weight. I admit that it seems strange to leave the boat hanging on the
> bunks but there is nothing on the trailer to attach any keel support. And
> yes the hull does deform - at least my older vintage boats has.
>
> I was straightened out on this point a few years back and long after my
> keel was damaged. I don't know that the support under the keel did the
> damage but I am suspicious of it.
>
> If anyone has figured out how to avoid hull deformation I would like to
> know about it. I see it particularly on the starboard side over the forward
> strut. Has anyone tried to reinforce the hull with additional layers of
> fibreglass?
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:[hidden email]
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=52204&i=0>] On Behalf Of Lowe,
> Rob
> Sent: June 29, 2016 4:38 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
>
> Ric,
> Good question.  The photo that Graham included:
>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160629/59e4a8a3/attachment.jpg
>
> does have  the (my words) the guide boards and keel support boards.  My
> Triad trailer has both and I believe both are necessary.  The keel support
> boards (in my experience) keep the keel vertical and the boat positioned
> properly when transporting.  Before I replaced all of my boards, the keel
> support boards rotten, broke, and provided no lateral support.  During
> transport, my whole boat rotated a couple of degrees and ended up cockeyed
> on the trailer because there was nothing to prevent the keel from moving.
> I believe those boards are needed for that reason.
>
> As far as the guide boards, they greatly aid in loading the boat if used
> correctly.  I always had a devil of a time getting my boat positioned
> correctly on the trailer when pulling the boat.  I'd get it cockeyed and
> even once had the keel rest on top of the keel support board, which broke
> it.  I learned from discussion on this list (might have even been from
> Stan), that is you leave the centerboard down when loading it's a piece of
> cake.  The centerboard will center the boat up using the guide boards and
> then centerboard will lift up when it hits the roller on the trailer.  Now
> all you have to do it winch the boat up into position.  You must remember
> to then pull up and secure the centerboard.  You don't want the centerboard
> unsecured during transport and certainly not when putting it.  I can load
> perfectly every time now.  I believe Stan does it this way and he actually
> will motor up on to the trailer.  I don't have the courage to try this but
> he swears by it.
>
> Rob Lowe
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:[hidden email]
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> Richard Stott
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:52 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
>
> This is an important conversation since I am rebuilding a Triad single
> axel myself.
> The diagram that Mark attached does not include the ?guide boards at
> either side of the CB trunk.
> Is that the correct name for them?
> Is that their purpose - guidance only?
> Ric
> sv Dadventure
>
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Wed Jun 29 21:25:53 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 21:25:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Really? We've had two Triad trailers - both built for General Boats 
and to their specifications. One was an older painted trailer, the 
other a newer galvanized trailer.  On each, the keel/centerboard (a 
"diamond board") rested lightly on the roller (which also helped 
swing the centerboard up when loading the boat) but the weight of the 
boat rested mostly on the bunks. Never noticed any deformation in the hull.

Mary Lou
formerly 1991 Rhodes 22 Fretless

(now a Rosborough RF-246  Tara)
Rock Hall, MD


At 03:44 PM 6/29/2016, you wrote:
>It depends on which model of the R22 you have.  My diamond board keel has
>supported my boat for 20 years with no ill effect.  In fact, I would be
>afraid of deforming the hull if the bunks did anything other than stabilize
>the boat on the trailer.
>
>Rick
>
>On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> > Mark:
> > I am not sure who you are asking the question of but I can tell you that
> > the
> > boat rests entirely on the bunks - not the keel. I originally had a support
> > under the keel p-laced there by a previous owner and the keel developed
> > serious cracking that might have been caused by the boat bouncing on its
> > keel. That was a hell of a fix.
> >
> > I have attached a picture of a trailer which someone posted and is
> > identical
> > to mine. I have also attached the dimension diagram that shows the exact
> > position of the axel in relation to the frame.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> > Of
> > Mark Olson
> > Sent: June 29, 2016 2:09 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
> >
> > I just bought a used trailer which I need to fit to the boat.  Your diagram
> > is exactly what I need to do it.
> >
> > I do have a couple questions though.
> >
> > 1 - In pictures I have seen a center bunk support.  Does your trailer have
> > it?  What is the height/location?
> >
> > 2 - Are measurements center to center.  For example the axle distance from
> > the rear of the trailer.  Is the 70" from the rear of the trailer or the
> > center of the bunk support?
> >
> > 3 - Several experienced sailors have told me to put weight on the keel -
> > don't let is all rest on the bunk.  But your diagram and pictures show
> > there
> > is no keel support.  Is this correct - all the weight is on the bunks?
> >
> > Mark Olson
> > Have trailer - next I'm getting a 1983 which has IMF and needs cabin work.
> >
> >
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jun 29 21:39:40 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 21:39:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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I tried to take the pressure off the strut by using a scissor jack under the
bow (see photo) but I have subsequently removed it and can't say that I see
a difference. I would not put a jack under the keel given the inordinate
amount of time I spent fixing it last year. 

My plan is to reinforce the hull with layers of roving and mat in the area
of the strut but obviously I don't want to do that while it is deformed. I
have removed the floor stringers and boards as part of my reconstruction and
also removed the internal bulkheads and compression post. So I currently
have unobstructed access to the hull.  I thought I might launch the boat to
see if the deformation changes  before I add the additional stiffening
layers of cloth but until I put in the floor structure and bulkhead I can't
reinstall the compression post and without that I can't sail the boat.
Leaving the interior reconstruction for a season would not be terrible but I
would sure hate to do that if I can't sail. So I seem to be caught in a
conundrum. The other alternative is to just live with it as is. This is when
being a compulsive sort is a real pain in the ass.


Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Mark Olson
Sent: June 29, 2016 6:49 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

The R22 I'll be getting is a 1983.  I called General Boats but they said
they weren't making them in 1983.

What year is yours?  Could anyone else tell me what year they have and do
they have keel support?

One option I've been thinking of is trailer it on bunks only and put a small
screw jack under the keel for storage.  In my case I'll be on a mooring for
summer and the trailer for the winter.

Also I'm so new to the R22 I don't know what you mean by a diamond center
board.  I did some looking on this forum and it seems the R22 was switched
to diamond center board after at least 1986.

Another question - Are the bunks at a specific angle or on a swivel?

Mark



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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jun 29 21:41:50 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 21:41:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Talbot:

Does the deformation disappear when the boat is in the water for a while?

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of talbotpratt
Sent: June 29, 2016 8:07 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

My hull also deforms at this same spot.
Talbot

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 7:11 PM Graham Stewart [via Rhodes 22] <
ml-node+s1065344n52204h3 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Just for clarity in case I misunderstood the initial question, the 
> trailer makes use of guide boards BESIDE the keel which serve to 
> center the  boat on the trailer but as I understand it there is no support UNDER the keel.
> The roller at the front of the V shaped guides is intended to raise 
> the centerboard when it is left down but does not take any of the 
> boat's weight. I admit that it seems strange to leave the boat hanging 
> on the bunks but there is nothing on the trailer to attach any keel 
> support. And yes the hull does deform - at least my older vintage boats has.
>
> I was straightened out on this point a few years back and long after 
> my keel was damaged. I don't know that the support under the keel did 
> the damage but I am suspicious of it.
>
> If anyone has figured out how to avoid hull deformation I would like 
> to know about it. I see it particularly on the starboard side over the 
> forward strut. Has anyone tried to reinforce the hull with additional 
> layers of fibreglass?
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile. R22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario Canada
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:[hidden email] 
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=52204&i=0>] On Behalf Of 
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: June 29, 2016 4:38 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
>
> Ric,
> Good question.  The photo that Graham included:
>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160629/59e4a
> 8a3/attachment.jpg
>
> does have  the (my words) the guide boards and keel support boards.  
> My Triad trailer has both and I believe both are necessary.  The keel 
> support boards (in my experience) keep the keel vertical and the boat 
> positioned properly when transporting.  Before I replaced all of my 
> boards, the keel support boards rotten, broke, and provided no lateral 
> support.  During transport, my whole boat rotated a couple of degrees 
> and ended up cockeyed on the trailer because there was nothing to prevent the keel from moving.
> I believe those boards are needed for that reason.
>
> As far as the guide boards, they greatly aid in loading the boat if 
> used correctly.  I always had a devil of a time getting my boat 
> positioned correctly on the trailer when pulling the boat.  I'd get it 
> cockeyed and even once had the keel rest on top of the keel support 
> board, which broke it.  I learned from discussion on this list (might 
> have even been from Stan), that is you leave the centerboard down when 
> loading it's a piece of cake.  The centerboard will center the boat up 
> using the guide boards and then centerboard will lift up when it hits 
> the roller on the trailer.  Now all you have to do it winch the boat 
> up into position.  You must remember to then pull up and secure the 
> centerboard.  You don't want the centerboard unsecured during 
> transport and certainly not when putting it.  I can load perfectly 
> every time now.  I believe Stan does it this way and he actually will 
> motor up on to the trailer.  I don't have the courage to try this but he swears by it.
>
> Rob Lowe
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:[hidden email] 
> <http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=52204&i=1>] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Stott
> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:52 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
>
> This is an important conversation since I am rebuilding a Triad single 
> axel myself.
> The diagram that Mark attached does not include the ?guide boards at 
> either side of the CB trunk.
> Is that the correct name for them?
> Is that their purpose - guidance only?
> Ric
> sv Dadventure
>
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Wed Jun 29 21:44:26 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 21:44:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Just to clarify, I think the keel support boards 
that Rob is describing keep the keel straight but 
don't actually take any of the weight of the 
keel. There are no boards under the keel, just the roller.

Mary Lou


At 04:37 PM 6/29/2016, you wrote:
>Ric,
>Good question.  The photo that Graham included:
>http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20160629/59e4a8a3/attachment.jpg
>
>does have  the (my words) the guide boards and 
>keel support boards.  My Triad trailer has both 
>and I believe both are necessary.  The keel 
>support boards (in my experience) keep the keel 
>vertical and the boat positioned properly when 
>transporting.  Before I replaced all of my 
>boards, the keel support boards rotten, broke, 
>and provided no lateral support.  During 
>transport, my whole boat rotated a couple of 
>degrees and ended up cockeyed on the trailer 
>because there was nothing to prevent the keel 
>from moving.  I believe those boards are needed for that reason.
>
>As far as the guide boards, they greatly aid in 
>loading the boat if used correctly.  I always 
>had a devil of a time getting my boat positioned 
>correctly on the trailer when pulling the 
>boat.  I'd get it cockeyed and even once had the 
>keel rest on top of the keel support board, 
>which broke it.  I learned from discussion on 
>this list (might have even been from Stan), that 
>is you leave the centerboard down when loading 
>it's a piece of cake.  The centerboard will 
>center the boat up using the guide boards and 
>then centerboard will lift up when it hits the 
>roller on the trailer.  Now all you have to do 
>it winch the boat up into position.  You must 
>remember to then pull up and secure the 
>centerboard.  You don't want the centerboard 
>unsecured during transport and certainly not 
>when putting it.  I can load perfectly every 
>time now.  I believe Stan does it this way and 
>he actually will motor up on to the trailer.  I 
>don't have the courage to try this but he swears by it.
>
>Rob Lowe
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Richard Stott
>Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:52 PM
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>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
>
>This is an important conversation since I am 
>rebuilding a Triad single axel myself.
>The diagram that Mark attached does not include 
>the ???guide boards at either side of the CB trunk.
>Is that the correct name for them?
>Is that their purpose - guidance only?
>Ric
>sv Dadventure
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Wed Jun 29 22:07:38 2016
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:07:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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One of the trailers we had was made before 1998. The other was new 
2007. both had the same configurration: rollers on the crosspieces, 
vertical guides/stabilizers on either side of the keel (these guide 
the keel as the boat is loading onto the trailer) and bunks to carry 
most if not all of the weight of the boat. The bunks match the angle 
of the hull where it rests on the bunks - they are not on a swivel 
but they do bow out under the weight of the boat. . the keel guides 
are parallel to the keel for the first 4-6 ft and then flare out 
towards the out edges - actually separate pieces of wood to guide the 
boat to the center of the trailer.

I've attached a photo of Fretless on her trailer that shows the bunks 
fairly well. It's a large photo so you can blow it up and really take 
a look at it. If it doesn't come through, I'll send a smaller version 
and the larger one to you off list.

Fretless has the diamondboard centerboard and is a 1991 R22.

Mary Lou





At 06:49 PM 6/29/2016, you wrote:
>The R22 I'll be getting is a 1983.  I called General Boats but they said they
>weren't making them in 1983.
>
>What year is yours?  Could anyone else tell me what year they have and do
>they have keel support?
>
>One option I've been thinking of is trailer it on bunks only and put a small
>screw jack under the keel for storage.  In my case I'll be on a mooring for
>summer and the trailer for the winter.
>
>Also I'm so new to the R22 I don't know what you mean by a diamond center
>board.  I did some looking on this forum and it seems the R22 was switched
>to diamond center board after at least 1986.
>
>Another question - Are the bunks at a specific angle or on a swivel?
>
>Mark
>
>
>
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From talbotpratt at gmail.com  Wed Jun 29 22:29:06 2016
From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 19:29:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Graham,
Yes the hull "undents" when the weight is taken off the front of the pads.
I did that by jacking the bow of the boat up a bit on the trailer. It was a
temporary fix.
Will get back to this in the fall as boat stays in the water.
Talbot

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 10:08 PM Mary Lou Troy-2 [via Rhodes 22] <
ml-node+s1065344n52210h89 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> One of the trailers we had was made before 1998. The other was new
> 2007. both had the same configurration: rollers on the crosspieces,
> vertical guides/stabilizers on either side of the keel (these guide
> the keel as the boat is loading onto the trailer) and bunks to carry
> most if not all of the weight of the boat. The bunks match the angle
> of the hull where it rests on the bunks - they are not on a swivel
> but they do bow out under the weight of the boat. . the keel guides
> are parallel to the keel for the first 4-6 ft and then flare out
> towards the out edges - actually separate pieces of wood to guide the
> boat to the center of the trailer.
>
> I've attached a photo of Fretless on her trailer that shows the bunks
> fairly well. It's a large photo so you can blow it up and really take
> a look at it. If it doesn't come through, I'll send a smaller version
> and the larger one to you off list.
>
> Fretless has the diamondboard centerboard and is a 1991 R22.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
>
>
> At 06:49 PM 6/29/2016, you wrote:
>
> >The R22 I'll be getting is a 1983.  I called General Boats but they said
> they
> >weren't making them in 1983.
> >
> >What year is yours?  Could anyone else tell me what year they have and do
> >they have keel support?
> >
> >One option I've been thinking of is trailer it on bunks only and put a
> small
> >screw jack under the keel for storage.  In my case I'll be on a mooring
> for
> >summer and the trailer for the winter.
> >
> >Also I'm so new to the R22 I don't know what you mean by a diamond center
> >board.  I did some looking on this forum and it seems the R22 was
> switched
> >to diamond center board after at least 1986.
> >
> >Another question - Are the bunks at a specific angle or on a swivel?
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jun 30 11:54:40 2016
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:54:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Talbot:

That encourages me to go at this problem again.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
talbotpratt
Sent: June 29, 2016 10:29 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

Graham,
Yes the hull "undents" when the weight is taken off the front of the pads.
I did that by jacking the bow of the boat up a bit on the trailer. It was a
temporary fix.
Will get back to this in the fall as boat stays in the water.
Talbot

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016, 10:08 PM Mary Lou Troy-2 [via Rhodes 22] <
ml-node+s1065344n52210h89 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> One of the trailers we had was made before 1998. The other was new 
> 2007. both had the same configurration: rollers on the crosspieces, 
> vertical guides/stabilizers on either side of the keel (these guide 
> the keel as the boat is loading onto the trailer) and bunks to carry 
> most if not all of the weight of the boat. The bunks match the angle 
> of the hull where it rests on the bunks - they are not on a swivel but 
> they do bow out under the weight of the boat. . the keel guides are 
> parallel to the keel for the first 4-6 ft and then flare out towards 
> the out edges - actually separate pieces of wood to guide the boat to 
> the center of the trailer.
>
> I've attached a photo of Fretless on her trailer that shows the bunks 
> fairly well. It's a large photo so you can blow it up and really take 
> a look at it. If it doesn't come through, I'll send a smaller version 
> and the larger one to you off list.
>
> Fretless has the diamondboard centerboard and is a 1991 R22.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
>
>
>
> At 06:49 PM 6/29/2016, you wrote:
>
> >The R22 I'll be getting is a 1983.  I called General Boats but they 
> >said
> they
> >weren't making them in 1983.
> >
> >What year is yours?  Could anyone else tell me what year they have 
> >and do they have keel support?
> >
> >One option I've been thinking of is trailer it on bunks only and put 
> >a
> small
> >screw jack under the keel for storage.  In my case I'll be on a 
> >mooring
> for
> >summer and the trailer for the winter.
> >
> >Also I'm so new to the R22 I don't know what you mean by a diamond 
> >center board.  I did some looking on this forum and it seems the R22 
> >was
> switched
> >to diamond center board after at least 1986.
> >
> >Another question - Are the bunks at a specific angle or on a swivel?
> >
> >Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >View this message in context:
> >
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jun 30 12:20:59 2016
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 12:20:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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Graham,

My original Rhodes 22, a 1981 owned for 32 years before being sold, always
had a "dent" in the starboard area at the forward end of the Triad trailer
bunk.  Stan said that he had seen it in several boats and not to worry about
it at delivery.  I never was concerned and it did not become an issue.  The
hull did not "undent" when launched.  I always thought that the hull had
been too "soft" when it was initially placed on the trailer, molding the
glass and gel coat due to stress.  In 1981, the hulls were built in Canada
and transported to Stan's factory on Long Island, presumably on a Triad
trailer. Possibly several hulls were shipped one inside another, placing a
fair amount of weight on the bottom one.

Further to the questions about keel support.  Please do not support or jack
a Rhodes 22 from the keel.  I have seen too many boats that have required
extensive repairs as a result.  If you need to lift, winch using the forward
or stern eyes and a substantial frame.  I lift my boat off the trailer for
bottom painting each year using 4x4 framing and an 8,000 lb comealong.
Large pieces of wood should be used in the stern if the boat is placed on
jacks, to spread out the load.  The best storage system is a Triad trailer.

As far as the trailer is concerned, the only support is from the bunks.  The
V-shaped frame in the rear is to guide the boat onto the trailer.  The two
boards that are parallel to and on either side of the keel are to center the
keel.  The roller at the rear is to lift the centerboard which may be used
to guide the boat on to the trailer during recovery.  The centerboard and
rudder should be in the fully up position during launch and transport to
avoid damage.  Remember to lift and secure all stern items (rudder & motor)
before hauling the trailer out of the water.  Yes, that is the voice of
experience you hear.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY




From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Graham Stewart

Talbot:

That encourages me to go at this problem again.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Thu Jun 30 13:16:30 2016
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:16:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments
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I guess it is more accurate to say the "keel guides", as ML calls them,
support the keel box around the keel rather than the actual keel.  I always
pull the diamond board all the way up when trailering to preserve the
roller.

When I replaced my bunk boards that were rotting, Stan told me to be sure
the keel guides supported the weight of the boat.  This was done by letting
the boat stand a day or so on the newly repaired trailer allowing the
boards to deform as the boat settled onto the keel guides.  Slots, rather
than holes, on the Triad bunk braces allow this to happen.

That is, when new bunk boards are attached to the empty trailer, the bolt
holes are drilled into the boards at the outer ends of the slots.  Then the
bolts are only loosely tightened to hold the boards in place while the boat
is gently dropped onto the trailer.  After the boat has settled, the bolts
will be close to the inner ends of the slots and should be tightened.

Rick

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
wrote:

> One of the trailers we had was made before 1998. The other was new 2007.
> both had the same configurration: rollers on the crosspieces, vertical
> guides/stabilizers on either side of the keel (these guide the keel as the
> boat is loading onto the trailer) and bunks to carry most if not all of the
> weight of the boat. The bunks match the angle of the hull where it rests on
> the bunks - they are not on a swivel but they do bow out under the weight
> of the boat. . the keel guides are parallel to the keel for the first 4-6
> ft and then flare out towards the out edges - actually separate pieces of
> wood to guide the boat to the center of the trailer.
>
> I've attached a photo of Fretless on her trailer that shows the bunks
> fairly well. It's a large photo so you can blow it up and really take a
> look at it. If it doesn't come through, I'll send a smaller version and the
> larger one to you off list.
>
> Fretless has the diamondboard centerboard and is a 1991 R22.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>

From db2002 at earthlink.net  Thu Jun 30 13:45:22 2016
From: db2002 at earthlink.net (Dave)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 13:45:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie
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Message-ID: <4CA597AE2D07496088A0794378A487FB@db2002PC>

Hello all
I'm Dave from long Island and I sort of have a R 22
Several years ago my cousin offered me a completely restored Rhodes and I of 
course said yes. When the Rhodes was offered to me I had a Bristol 27 but I 
wanted the Rhodes also and it was free. My lovely wife of 30 years 
"explained" to me that I was mistaken and I didn?t really want the Rhodes. 
However my best friend was looking for a boat so the Rhodes was given to 
him. So long story short I have a Rhodes in the extended family. I have been 
an avid reader of the list since the Rhodes came into the family 4 years 
ago. I am posting today for the first time because I am hoping that a fellow 
list member has a old school hank on jib that they would like to sell. I 
enjoy the list immensely and look forward to all of your reply's

Dave
Bay Shore NY

-----Original Message----- 
From: Rick
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:16 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad Trailer brakes and adjustments

I guess it is more accurate to say the "keel guides", as ML calls them,
support the keel box around the keel rather than the actual keel.  I always
pull the diamond board all the way up when trailering to preserve the
roller.

When I replaced my bunk boards that were rotting, Stan told me to be sure
the keel guides supported the weight of the boat.  This was done by letting
the boat stand a day or so on the newly repaired trailer allowing the
boards to deform as the boat settled onto the keel guides.  Slots, rather
than holes, on the Triad bunk braces allow this to happen.

That is, when new bunk boards are attached to the empty trailer, the bolt
holes are drilled into the boards at the outer ends of the slots.  Then the
bolts are only loosely tightened to hold the boards in place while the boat
is gently dropped onto the trailer.  After the boat has settled, the bolts
will be close to the inner ends of the slots and should be tightened.

Rick

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
wrote:

> One of the trailers we had was made before 1998. The other was new 2007.
> both had the same configurration: rollers on the crosspieces, vertical
> guides/stabilizers on either side of the keel (these guide the keel as the
> boat is loading onto the trailer) and bunks to carry most if not all of 
> the
> weight of the boat. The bunks match the angle of the hull where it rests 
> on
> the bunks - they are not on a swivel but they do bow out under the weight
> of the boat. . the keel guides are parallel to the keel for the first 4-6
> ft and then flare out towards the out edges - actually separate pieces of
> wood to guide the boat to the center of the trailer.
>
> I've attached a photo of Fretless on her trailer that shows the bunks
> fairly well. It's a large photo so you can blow it up and really take a
> look at it. If it doesn't come through, I'll send a smaller version and 
> the
> larger one to you off list.
>
> Fretless has the diamondboard centerboard and is a 1991 R22.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
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