From jefferson at iteract.ca  Sun Feb  5 09:30:43 2017
From: jefferson at iteract.ca (Jefferson Lewis)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 07:30:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] raising mainsail from cockpit
Message-ID: <1486305043682-52804.post@n5.nabble.com>

I am looking at ways of raising and lowering the main from the cockpit and
found this post (below) in the archive. Has anyone tried this? The Harken
system refers to sail slugs, and on my 76 R22, the sail goes up a channel in
the mast not with sail slugs and a track. So I'm not sure if this setup will
work without jamming as the sail goes out? Any advice?

Post 
 	
Setting up for single handing

Steve, or anyone else w/ a std main, I am about to run the halyard back to
the cockpit and would like to get any dos/donts from those who have done.

I just finished this project. The following is the way I did it, after all
the false starts.

1. Weld a stainless pad eye to the starboard side of the tabernacle. [If you
use bolts, the heads will rub against the mast and pull the tabernacle out
of the boat as the mast takes the tabernacle with it.]
2. Attach a three [3] sheave bullet block to your pad eye.
3. Install a triple rope clutch to the starboard side of the boat deck
almost as far aft as the bulkhead. Through-bolt it.
4. Using a piece of 1/2 inch Starboard for a pad, through-bolt a triple deck
organizer to the deck.
5. Run your main halyard through the most forward sheave if the triple
bullet block, the most forward sheave of the deck organizer, and finally
through the most starboard opening in the rope clutch.
6. Install your downhaul and run it through the middle sheaves and opening.
7. Install your Harken Single Line Reefing System [track on the port side of
the boom] and use none of the hardware provided for the starboard
installation. Instead run the reefing line from the forward reefing grommet
to the aft sheave in the bullet block, the aft sheave in the deck organizer,
and the port-most opening of the rope clutch.
8. Works like a charm!
Hope this helps,

CPT Richard F. Sheehan
15 Apr 2002



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Jefferson Lewis
SV Patience 1976
Lake Memphremagog, Quebec
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sun Feb  5 09:43:08 2017
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2017 09:43:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] raising mainsail from cockpit
In-Reply-To: <1486305043682-52804.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1486305043682-52804.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <0D69C148-00C9-41BF-9C78-9E6D0C96FBDD@stottarchitecture.com>

You are correct, the slot and sail bolt-rope will jamb if you are not there to tend to it. 
Ric
sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays NY

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Jefferson Lewis <jefferson at iteract.ca> wrote:
> 
> I am looking at ways of raising and lowering the main from the cockpit and
> found this post (below) in the archive. Has anyone tried this? The Harken
> system refers to sail slugs, and on my 76 R22, the sail goes up a channel in
> the mast not with sail slugs and a track. So I'm not sure if this setup will
> work without jamming as the sail goes out? Any advice?
> 
> Post 
>    
> Setting up for single handing
> 
> Steve, or anyone else w/ a std main, I am about to run the halyard back to
> the cockpit and would like to get any dos/donts from those who have done.
> 
> I just finished this project. The following is the way I did it, after all
> the false starts.
> 
> 1. Weld a stainless pad eye to the starboard side of the tabernacle. [If you
> use bolts, the heads will rub against the mast and pull the tabernacle out
> of the boat as the mast takes the tabernacle with it.]
> 2. Attach a three [3] sheave bullet block to your pad eye.
> 3. Install a triple rope clutch to the starboard side of the boat deck
> almost as far aft as the bulkhead. Through-bolt it.
> 4. Using a piece of 1/2 inch Starboard for a pad, through-bolt a triple deck
> organizer to the deck.
> 5. Run your main halyard through the most forward sheave if the triple
> bullet block, the most forward sheave of the deck organizer, and finally
> through the most starboard opening in the rope clutch.
> 6. Install your downhaul and run it through the middle sheaves and opening.
> 7. Install your Harken Single Line Reefing System [track on the port side of
> the boom] and use none of the hardware provided for the starboard
> installation. Instead run the reefing line from the forward reefing grommet
> to the aft sheave in the bullet block, the aft sheave in the deck organizer,
> and the port-most opening of the rope clutch.
> 8. Works like a charm!
> Hope this helps,
> 
> CPT Richard F. Sheehan
> 15 Apr 2002
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Jefferson Lewis
> SV Patience 1976
> Lake Memphremagog, Quebec
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From rodellner at mac.com  Wed Feb  8 22:32:33 2017
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2017 21:32:33 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 sighting in Stillwater MN  today
Message-ID: <38130F17-7A5B-4BAA-BF4A-70522C134026@mac.com>

Hello everyone
I haven?t been active on ?da list for quite awhile.

I was driving through Stillwater MN today and saw a beautiful Rhodes 22 being trailered. It looked new,  Just wondering who the owner is.
We have our boat moored in Hudson, WI

Rod Ellner
Toy Blew
Hudson, Wi

From bridges.brooks at gmail.com  Thu Feb  9 16:22:52 2017
From: bridges.brooks at gmail.com (thebooker)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2017 14:22:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To
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References: <1482527840798-52786.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1486675372116-52807.post@n5.nabble.com>

Congratulations on getting a great boat!

I agree with Chrissailorman and Rick.  

I have used following technique even on 470, a very fast, tipsy racing boat
15 ft long. Even in strong winds you could relax and have a sandwich between
races. My cousin used technique in 50 plus knots of wind on his 40 footer
and everyone went below and took a nap. (I'm sure sails were reefed at the
time)  It's amazing when you experience for the first time and no land near.

The basic idea is to end up with jib sheeted to windward ("wrong" side) and
main to leeward (broad reach setting) and rudder also to leeward. The wind
forces on the two sails now tend to fight each other and cancel wind forces
so boat moves very slowly (in direction of a broad reach) with little heel.
The direction means the waves should going with you but at an angle. You
adjust tiller to get things stable then lock it. Boat should react to
stronger wind by trying to head up a bit, causing jib to have more force and
push bow back down until main develops stronger force and pushes bow back
into wind - a stable balancing act.

1) Jib must be backwinded. Accomplish this as others described by starting
with boat on a close reach on say, starboard tack (so jib and main are both
on port side (leeward).  

2) Tack, but do NOT release jib. As you get to new tack, main will come
across so again to leeward, now the stbd side. Let it out as for a broad
reach.  Now jib is still on port side, main on stbd side set for broad
reach. Tiller should now be a bit to stbd.  Adjust tiller angle so boat
quiets down and moves slowly as the two sails "fight" each other. You should
be able to find a tiller position in which you can lock tiller. Boat should
be fairly upright and you should be going forward slowly. Relax and enjoy.

I would think if you have genoa unfurled, you should furl it up a bit before
starting the above. Especially the 170%

Brooks
"Changes"
Cambridge MD Choptank River



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1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
Cambridge, MD
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Feb 11 16:40:59 2017
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 16:40:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR03MB2630CBFA5AE018C339784C0EAE470@CY4PR03MB2630.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR03MB2630CBFA5AE018C339784C0EAE470@CY4PR03MB2630.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com>

As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not
sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the
list but did not reach the intended destination.  I am therefore forwarding
it to the list.  Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach
the proper destination, please let me know.  I hope that this helps to find
a solution to your problem.

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 

 

From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu] 
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM
To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

 

I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you
can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As
interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the
rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue.

 

Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions.

 

Bob


From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Sat Feb 11 20:54:04 2017
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 01:54:04 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CY4PR03MB2630CBFA5AE018C339784C0EAE470@CY4PR03MB2630.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR03MB2630EE9702398749B8D0E40BAE460@CY4PR03MB2630.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Mike,
Thanks for passing this along to the list. I'll look at it closer with IT on Monday. Perhaps it's the work computer issue?
Thanks again,
Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 4:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination.  I am therefore forwarding it to the list.  Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know.  I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem.

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 

 

From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM
To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

 

I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue.

 

Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions.

 

Bob

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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Feb 11 22:25:20 2017
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2017 22:25:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CY4PR03MB2630CBFA5AE018C339784C0EAE470@CY4PR03MB2630.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <009b01d284af$8a3666d0$9ea33470$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca>

Bob:

Can you post a picture of the rudder? 
I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to
water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to
freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it
and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks
and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal
pressure. Just a guess.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Michael Weisner
Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not
sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the
list but did not reach the intended destination.  I am therefore forwarding
it to the list.  Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach
the proper destination, please let me know.  I hope that this helps to find
a solution to your problem.

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 

 

From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM
To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

 

I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you
can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As
interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the
rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue.

 

Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions.

 

Bob

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From jefferson at iteract.ca  Sun Feb 12 13:30:08 2017
From: jefferson at iteract.ca (Jefferson Lewis)
Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2017 11:30:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] raising mainsail from cockpit 2
Message-ID: <1486924208584-52811.post@n5.nabble.com>

If anyone is interested in this subject, the mainsail pre feeder may be the
solution, or part of it, to raising non IMF mainsail from the cockpit. 



Spinlock Mainsail Prefeeder
www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1%7C118%7C2358525%7C2358528&id...
Features: Spinlock Sail Feeders are the labor saving answer to perfect luff
feeding, preventing the expensive damage that can occur if sails jam in.



-----
Jefferson Lewis
SV Patience 1976
Lake Memphremagog, Quebec
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Feb 17 07:42:47 2017
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 07:42:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
Message-ID: <01f201d2891b$58b7f9a0$0a27ece0$@ebsmed.com>

With warm weather predicted for the northeast this weekend I will be
removing the cover tarp and starting some of my projects on my Rhodes 22
such as the installation of a ST1000 Tiller Pilot from Santa.  Has anyone
had any issues with the installation?

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 

 


From watermusic38 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 17 11:28:37 2017
From: watermusic38 at yahoo.com (elle)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:28:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My "Lady in Red'
References: <799447928.1285053.1487348917385.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <799447928.1285053.1487348917385@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi, Rhodies,
i've been lurking as my 'Lady' is enjoying the sun and serenity at the Spitzer home for little Red Rhodes....
As some of you know, 'Lady' is for sale and I need a bit of info.?
The question is whether a dual axel trailer is necessary and why.....this is beyond my pay grade....
Stan...i understand that you have already spoken to this person re: my boat & other recycled....
thanks to all

elle

beer is good....people are crazy

1992 Rhodes 22 ? ?Recycled '06"Watermusic" ?{Lady in Red}

From watermusic38 at yahoo.com  Fri Feb 17 11:38:24 2017
From: watermusic38 at yahoo.com (elle)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 16:38:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] being blocked?
References: <978021023.1307834.1487349504254.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <978021023.1307834.1487349504254@mail.yahoo.com>

I think I am being blocked...,
Admin...please check into this????
Thanks!

elle


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 11:45:27 2017
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 11:45:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] being blocked?
In-Reply-To: <978021023.1307834.1487349504254@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <978021023.1307834.1487349504254.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Nope, it's coming through.

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 11:38 AM, elle via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I think I am being blocked...,
> Admin...please check into this????
> Thanks!
>
> elle
>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Feb 17 12:22:05 2017
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (peter at sunnybeeches.com)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 09:22:05 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
In-Reply-To: <01f201d2891b$58b7f9a0$0a27ece0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <20170217092205.Horde.BdT4C9843-YPk-cFq46lFAN@oberon.lunarpages.com>

I did this last summer.  You probably already have Bill Wickman's PDF  
that shows how did it, but just in case, I'll attempt to attach a copy.

With this in hand, the installation went smoothly.

Bill states that in the place where he drilled the hole for the pin  
the fiberglass was thick enough that no additional bracing was needed.  
  On my boat the fiberglass was less than 1/4" thick at that location,  
so I backed it up with a 3/4 block of wood epoxied in place.

Also, at the place where you drill the hole the fiberglass is not  
quite horizontal.  Drill the hole perpendicular to the surface rather  
than vertical.  This will make the top of the pin sit flush, which  
will look better.

I think you'll enjoy your new toy.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)




Quoting Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>:

> With warm weather predicted for the northeast this weekend I will be
> removing the cover tarp and starting some of my projects on my Rhodes 22
> such as the installation of a ST1000 Tiller Pilot from Santa.  Has anyone
> had any issues with the installation?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Fri Feb 17 12:27:12 2017
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 17:27:12 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
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I have the same set up and it works great, I use it all the time.  My power cord connects to a power source located below the bench thru the vertical lazaret wall so it is out of the weather and has less cord than the power source in the coming.  I don't have the remote transmitter and don't see the need for it.

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter at sunnybeeches.com
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:22 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation

I did this last summer.  You probably already have Bill Wickman's PDF that shows how did it, but just in case, I'll attempt to attach a copy.

With this in hand, the installation went smoothly.

Bill states that in the place where he drilled the hole for the pin the fiberglass was thick enough that no additional bracing was needed.  
  On my boat the fiberglass was less than 1/4" thick at that location, so I backed it up with a 3/4 block of wood epoxied in place.

Also, at the place where you drill the hole the fiberglass is not quite horizontal.  Drill the hole perpendicular to the surface rather than vertical.  This will make the top of the pin sit flush, which will look better.

I think you'll enjoy your new toy.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)




Quoting Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>:

> With warm weather predicted for the northeast this weekend I will be 
> removing the cover tarp and starting some of my projects on my Rhodes 
> 22 such as the installation of a ST1000 Tiller Pilot from Santa.  Has 
> anyone had any issues with the installation?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Feb 17 13:29:14 2017
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:29:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
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I agree - the remote is just one more expensive thing to watch as it goes overboard. The +/- 10 (degree) buttons should give me enough flexibility while underway.  I especially like the "auto" button to return to a previous course after a detour.

When I spoke to someone about an autopilot, they said that they thought that the ST1000 could easily assist with coming about.  I am not sure what they were referring to, exactly. Is there a special button combination to throw the tiller "hard over" and then return to the opposite tack heading?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cowie
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:27 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation

I have the same set up and it works great, I use it all the time.  My power cord connects to a power source located below the bench thru the vertical lazaret wall so it is out of the weather and has less cord than the power source in the coming.  I don't have the remote transmitter and don't see the need for it.

Christopher P. Cowie    

4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
Suite 300
Washington, DC 20007
202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



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-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of peter at sunnybeeches.com
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:22 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation

I did this last summer.  You probably already have Bill Wickman's PDF that shows how did it, but just in case, I'll attempt to attach a copy.

With this in hand, the installation went smoothly.

Bill states that in the place where he drilled the hole for the pin the fiberglass was thick enough that no additional bracing was needed.  
  On my boat the fiberglass was less than 1/4" thick at that location, so I backed it up with a 3/4 block of wood epoxied in place.

Also, at the place where you drill the hole the fiberglass is not quite horizontal.  Drill the hole perpendicular to the surface rather than vertical.  This will make the top of the pin sit flush, which will look better.

I think you'll enjoy your new toy.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)




Quoting Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>:

> With warm weather predicted for the northeast this weekend I will be 
> removing the cover tarp and starting some of my projects on my Rhodes
> 22 such as the installation of a ST1000 Tiller Pilot from Santa.  Has 
> anyone had any issues with the installation?
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 13:34:26 2017
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:34:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
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Mike,

This summer I did a boy scout trip at Seabase on a C&C 38.  We only used
the +/- 10 button to adjust.  The captain and I practiced single handed
tacking to see who could do it faster.  Once we were set with the sheets,
you just quickly press the +/- 9 times and then forget about the wheel (or
tiller as the case may be).  As she comes across, dump the old working
sheet and start hauling the new working sheet.  Once you cleated the sheet,
you can then adjust the tiller as needed.

Hank

On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> I agree - the remote is just one more expensive thing to watch as it goes
> overboard. The +/- 10 (degree) buttons should give me enough flexibility
> while underway.  I especially like the "auto" button to return to a
> previous course after a detour.
>
> When I spoke to someone about an autopilot, they said that they thought
> that the ST1000 could easily assist with coming about.  I am not sure what
> they were referring to, exactly. Is there a special button combination to
> throw the tiller "hard over" and then return to the opposite tack heading?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Cowie
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:27 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
>
> I have the same set up and it works great, I use it all the time.  My
> power cord connects to a power source located below the bench thru the
> vertical lazaret wall so it is out of the weather and has less cord than
> the power source in the coming.  I don't have the remote transmitter and
> don't see the need for it.
>
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile [
> ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
>
>
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of peter at sunnybeeches.com
> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 12:22 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
>
> I did this last summer.  You probably already have Bill Wickman's PDF that
> shows how did it, but just in case, I'll attempt to attach a copy.
>
> With this in hand, the installation went smoothly.
>
> Bill states that in the place where he drilled the hole for the pin the
> fiberglass was thick enough that no additional bracing was needed.
>   On my boat the fiberglass was less than 1/4" thick at that location, so
> I backed it up with a 3/4 block of wood epoxied in place.
>
> Also, at the place where you drill the hole the fiberglass is not quite
> horizontal.  Drill the hole perpendicular to the surface rather than
> vertical.  This will make the top of the pin sit flush, which will look
> better.
>
> I think you'll enjoy your new toy.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>:
>
> > With warm weather predicted for the northeast this weekend I will be
> > removing the cover tarp and starting some of my projects on my Rhodes
> > 22 such as the installation of a ST1000 Tiller Pilot from Santa.  Has
> > anyone had any issues with the installation?
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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From rodellner at mac.com  Fri Feb 17 13:54:21 2017
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 12:54:21 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My "Lady in Red'
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Elle

Promise that you will still stay with us.     Guessing that you don't use your gal as often as you used to!

Mary Ellner 

WI  st Croix River

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 10:28 AM, elle via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Rhodies,
> i've been lurking as my 'Lady' is enjoying the sun and serenity at the Spitzer home for little Red Rhodes....
> As some of you know, 'Lady' is for sale and I need a bit of info. 
> The question is whether a dual axel trailer is necessary and why.....this is beyond my pay grade....
> Stan...i understand that you have already spoken to this person re: my boat & other recycled....
> thanks to all
> 
> elle
> 
> beer is good....people are crazy
> 
> 1992 Rhodes 22    Recycled '06"Watermusic"  {Lady in Red}
> __________________________________________________
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Feb 17 13:57:32 2017
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 13:57:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
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Pressing -1 and -10 at the same time will shift course 100 degrees to port; +1 and +10 at the same time will shift course 100 degrees to starboard. (Pages 9 and 10 in my manual.)  I?m undecided as to how useful this feature is.

Peter

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 1:29 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree - the remote is just one more expensive thing to watch as it goes overboard. The +/- 10 (degree) buttons should give me enough flexibility while underway.  I especially like the "auto" button to return to a previous course after a detour.
> 
> When I spoke to someone about an autopilot, they said that they thought that the ST1000 could easily assist with coming about.  I am not sure what they were referring to, exactly. Is there a special button combination to throw the tiller "hard over" and then return to the opposite tack heading?
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass  ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Fri Feb 17 14:22:54 2017
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 14:22:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
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For single handed sailing, the ST-1000 can't be beat.

Get the remote to double your fun.  You can be in your cabin protected from
bugs or rain while steering the boat.

It will tack the boat going up to about 10 knots if you back the genny.

Rick

From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Feb 17 14:31:11 2017
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2017 19:31:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My "Lady in Red'
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Elle,
Good to hear from you and know you are still with us.  

As far as the dual axel trailer.  They are not necessary to have.  I've got a single axle that has served me well for 10 years now.  However, there are some advantages and disadvantages to having a duel axel trailer.  I would think either would work for moving the boat and it's a matter of preference to which one to choose. - rob

Rob Lowe
s/v still no name

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of elle via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2017 11:29 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My "Lady in Red'

Hi, Rhodies,
i've been lurking as my 'Lady' is enjoying the sun and serenity at the Spitzer home for little Red Rhodes....
As some of you know, 'Lady' is for sale and I need a bit of info. The question is whether a dual axel trailer is necessary and why.....this is beyond my pay grade....
Stan...i understand that you have already spoken to this person re: my boat & other recycled....
thanks to all

elle

beer is good....people are crazy

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From jac2 at wavecable.com  Sat Feb 18 15:57:09 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 12:57:09 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
Message-ID: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>

Hi Folks. Here goes.... Been a while since I have been on the list. I own a 1992 factory refurbished Rhodes 22 with IMF purchased in 2012. This summer will be our 5th full season with the boat. I sail it in Sequim Bay and in the Straight of Juan De Fuca near Sequim and Port Angeles, WA. We  no longer use the 175 Jib and instead use a 100% jib set up with a self tailing rig as a well as the standard jib sheets. Both jib sheet arrangements are always connected and can be used alternately for any conditions. As a result, the boat is stable and safe for single handling in even high wind conditions, something impossible with the 175 jib unless you have a crew. On a minor note, the concave shape of the hull catches high winds, heels the boat and allows it to be "sailed" with the sails down when the winds are up. That is not a good thing. I am still not sold on the concave shape. It may be great for preventing splashing, but from a safety standpoint, I think it has its draw backs.

Outside the protected Bay, conditions can change in a heart beat and subject the boat to high winds and if those winds oppose the current, significant wave heights. The nearest islands are a 30 mile trip and weather windows are not always accurate due to all the micro climates in the area. They do not even try to forecast local winds. As you all know, the cockpit pan that sits under the hull cap and cockpit seats is open on the top edge. Any wave splashing over the stern will easily enter the boat cabin from over the top edges of that cockpit pan under the seats. The single drain hole at the back of the cockpit floor is completely inadequate for allowing large amounts of water to escape quickly. Successive waves would easily swamp the boat and require extensive bailing. In addition, you cold easily find yourself "surfing" some waves requiring solid steering control to prevent capsizing. The boat is very susceptible to loss of steering and to digging into the water if the wave hits from the stern. Any review of the stories where the rare capsizing has happened with this boat will confirm that scenario.  So...

Two items of interest.

1. I know that at least one owner in Florida who sails the Atlantic has sealed the cockpit pan top edges. How he did it is not known. There are two alternatives. One would be to glass between the top edges of the pan and the underside of the seat. The other would be to install walls from the front edge of the seats to the floor of the cockpit. But, this alternative would have to be very strong. The last problem is how to create a self bailing arrangement. If you extended the center section of the cockpit floor to the stern under the stern seat, you would sacrifice some storage, but have a very adequate path to evacuate water and maintain the structural strength of the stern.

Has anyone on the list done this or researched it?

2. Any ideas on how to use a different rudder configuration or larger rudder with the existing stern configuration to allow a more robust steering control in forced, unavoidable surfing situations?

Thanks in advance for any input you have. I am also open to any questions.

Jay
Port Angeles, WA



  


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sat Feb 18 16:36:25 2017
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 16:36:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
In-Reply-To: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
References: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
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Jay,

I take issue with a couple things you have said.

With a furler, the 175 genny is safe, stable and easy to use single handed
in all conditions.

The flared hull not only helps to keep the cockpit dry, it contributes to
the "no capsize guarantee" of the R22 while underway.  What are these
stories of capsizing?

Also, with the model you have, you should have  3 cockpit drain holes: one
in the self-bailing well and one at the stern end of each bench.

Enclosing the cockpit benches would reduce the volume of water the cockpit
holds, sending the extra water into the cabin instead of under the benches.

If you're surfing and getting swamped by waves over the stern, trail warps
or a sea anchor to slow down and maintain steerage.  But the real problem
here is you are sailing the boat in conditions too severe for its design.
It is not intended for open ocean sailing in severe conditions.

Rick

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Feb 18 18:12:50 2017
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 18:12:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
In-Reply-To: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
References: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
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Jay,

Many Rhodes owners have reduced the jib to a more manageable size.  That is
a Rhodes 22 sailor's preference.  Several sizes and furling systems are
available including ones that permit changing the jib sail while underway to
suit the conditions.  You should choose a system that provides comfort and
safety, commensurate with the skill level of the captain and crew.

I sailed the 135% Gennie for over 30 years on my first R22, without issue,
around Long Island including the LI Sound and the Atlantic.  Both are bodies
of water that can serve up demanding conditions without warning and one must
be careful and prepared.  No sail configuration will make a Rhodes 22 into a
blue water capable craft.  It is the responsibility of the captain to
safeguard the crew and respect the limitations of both craft and personnel.

I now own a newer R22 with IMF and a 175% Genoa.  I find issues pointing
with the sail significantly furled and find it difficult to come about when
it is fully deployed.  I still find it a welcome upgrade from my first
Rhodes.

I find the thought of walling up the under seat communication between the
cockpit and the cabin as a means of preventing water entry to the cabin
quite silly.  How will you prevent water from flowing into the cabin under
the companionway door?  It is relatively watertight from rain but not from
rising water in the cockpit.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY




From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Sat Feb 18 21:11:15 2017
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 02:11:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <000301d284df$a48d68f0$eda83ad0$@ca>
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Graham,
Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

Bob:

Can you post a picture of the rudder? 
I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner
Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination.  I am therefore forwarding it to the list.  Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know.  I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem.

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 

 

From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM
To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

 

I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue.

 

Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions.

 

Bob

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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Feb 18 23:35:29 2017
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2017 23:35:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22
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Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it
looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and
the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself
could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen.
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
C. Robert Lester
Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

Graham,
Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see
by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying
down and it shows the best example of the curve.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Graham Stewart
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

Bob:

Can you post a picture of the rudder? 
I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to
water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to
freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it
and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks
and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal
pressure. Just a guess.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Michael Weisner
Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not
sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the
list but did not reach the intended destination.  I am therefore forwarding
it to the list.  Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach
the proper destination, please let me know.  I hope that this helps to find
a solution to your problem.

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 

 

From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM
To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

 

I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you
can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As
interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the
rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue.

 

Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions.

 

Bob

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From bridges.brooks at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 12:32:11 2017
From: bridges.brooks at gmail.com (thebooker)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 10:32:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
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Hi Jay,

Sounds like you are sailing in conditions never experienced by most Rhodes
22 owners, but fairly common for you. They remind me of the quote: "He would
go to sea for pleasure, would go to hell for a vacation."

I've sailed the Chesapeake Bay area 12 years now and encountered similar
conditions one time in a 27 ft trimaran (F27) and once in a 30' keel boat (a
gale but I was going downwind double reefed - one of the best sails of my
life). Both of these boats boats were designed to handle these conditions.
Your Rhodes 22 wasn't. Now I stay home if such conditions become a
possibility and miss out on very little sailing. 

I think you are asking the boat to do far more than the designer intended.
The Rhodes 22 is a great boat, nigh perfect for 99% of Rhodes owners and the
area they sail in. The Rhodes is even designed to recover from a knock down
from wind, as from a sudden thunderstorm. It's not designed for sailing in
long term large waves AND high winds. It's the waves that can cause even
well designed keel boats to capsize or turtle. A very experienced ocean
racer single handing in Pacific put out an SOS to be rescued because he knew
the weather system he was in would last for several days and his autopilot
could not be counted on to handle the conditions when he had to get rest. He
had had the boat for many years, loved it, but scuttled it when a ship came
by to rescue him. He basically knew he would die if he continued and felt he
owed it to his family to bail out. 

Why not get an International Folkboat, or another boat designed almost
specifically for your sailing conditions?

Brooks Bridges
Choptank River Cambridge MD
"Changes"



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From jac2 at wavecable.com  Sun Feb 19 15:21:51 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 12:21:51 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing Response to brooks
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Message-ID: <EF2C15C204604DDCBC8A788DFBB9579B@Officepc>

Thanks for the kind response. We have corresponded before.

I will look at the boat you mentioned. In the mean time, how to harden the
boat I have seems a reasonable question to ask. And no, I do not sail in
conditions beyond the its current capabilities. I know how much to ask of
it.

Thanks again

--------------------------------------------------
From: "thebooker" <bridges.brooks at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 9:32 AM
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing

> Hi Jay,
>
> Sounds like you are sailing in conditions never experienced by most Rhodes
> 22 owners, but fairly common for you. They remind me of the quote: "He
> would
> go to sea for pleasure, would go to hell for a vacation."
>
> I've sailed the Chesapeake Bay area 12 years now and encountered similar
> conditions one time in a 27 ft trimaran (F27) and once in a 30' keel boat
> (a
> gale but I was going downwind double reefed - one of the best sails of my
> life). Both of these boats boats were designed to handle these conditions.
> Your Rhodes 22 wasn't. Now I stay home if such conditions become a
> possibility and miss out on very little sailing.
>
> I think you are asking the boat to do far more than the designer intended.
> The Rhodes 22 is a great boat, nigh perfect for 99% of Rhodes owners and
> the
> area they sail in. The Rhodes is even designed to recover from a knock
> down
> from wind, as from a sudden thunderstorm. It's not designed for sailing in
> long term large waves AND high winds. It's the waves that can cause even
> well designed keel boats to capsize or turtle. A very experienced ocean
> racer single handing in Pacific put out an SOS to be rescued because he
> knew
> the weather system he was in would last for several days and his autopilot
> could not be counted on to handle the conditions when he had to get rest.
> He
> had had the boat for many years, loved it, but scuttled it when a ship
> came
> by to rescue him. He basically knew he would die if he continued and felt
> he
> owed it to his family to bail out.
>
> Why not get an International Folkboat, or another boat designed almost
> specifically for your sailing conditions?
>
> Brooks Bridges
> Choptank River Cambridge MD
> "Changes"
>
>
>
> -----
> Brooks Bridges
> 1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
> Cambridge, MD
> --
> View this message in context:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Cockpit-Waterproofing-tp52824p52829.html
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From jac2 at wavecable.com  Sun Feb 19 15:21:59 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 12:21:59 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
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Rick.

I understand the apparent effort to dispute my comments. They reflect
my experience with the boat, reports by other owners and are the reasons for
exploring the 2 things I mentioned. They are explanatory not critical.

I find your comment about the 175% jib being OK in all conditions to be
contrary to so many comments from other owners and my own experience. It is
a great sail. The 22 is a great boat. But the 175% has a very narrow purpose
and optimal operating range. Fully deployed in light winds it is great fun.
But in moderate winds, help is needed to use it safely. It overpowers the
boat, stresses the rigging and must be furled and unfurled when tacking to
prevent hanging it up on the shrouds or just to maintain complete control.
Reefing it leaves the boat severely unbalanced. In gusty winds or high wind
conditions, the only option is to furl it in and run on the main only. As a
last resort, you can always drop the main and use the excellent wind trap
provided by the flared hull alone.

The flared hull does indeed provide additional buoyancy in severe heeling
conditions. The boat will not capsize under normal or even severe
conditions. But, if the stern is lifted by a wave, the bow can dig in,
steering can be lost and allow the boat to be pushed over. If you are not
aware of these very rare occurrences, you have not looked. It was a common
point of discussion last time I was on the list

My 100% jib and self tailing sheet leaves the boat perfectly balanced in
even strong winds. With both the main and jib fully deployed or even reefed,
I can release the tiller, let boat speed keep the rudder centered, relax and
use small main sheet adjustments to change course. I can even get up and
move around the boat letting it make its own minor course corrections with
the shifting weight. Try that with a 175%.

Water on the top of the seats is of no concern. Any overflow from the seat
drains simply falls to the floor. The floor drain is completely inadequate
for anything more than rain or minor splashing. One wave over the stern
could put gallons of water on the floor and leave an easy path over the top
edges of the floor pan UNDER the seats.  Especially under any significant
heeling condition. It seems very reasonable to me to consider a way to
handle that kind of event.

Self bailing would require creating and opening under the rear seats to the
stern. It would be a simple and relatively easy fix sacrificing only a bit
of storage. Sealing the floor alone is useless.

I do not deliberately go into rough conditions. I am an experienced and
capable sailor. Much of it on Lake Superior in 27 to 36 foot boats. There
are few days there when there is no chance of storms. They can blow up in
minutes and hit you with 40 to 60 MPH gusts. Any extended trip is subject to
quickly changing conditions with even the best preparation and planning. In
my present location, tides, currents, narrow channels, mountain valley micro
climates add even more complexity and opportunities for quick condition
changes. The prudent motto has to be what can happen will happen. I am just
researching some ideas, not throwing shade at the boat.


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 1:36 PM
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing

> Jay,
>
> I take issue with a couple things you have said.
>
> With a furler, the 175 genny is safe, stable and easy to use single handed
> in all conditions.
>
> The flared hull not only helps to keep the cockpit dry, it contributes to
> the "no capsize guarantee" of the R22 while underway.  What are these
> stories of capsizing?
>
> Also, with the model you have, you should have  3 cockpit drain holes: one
> in the self-bailing well and one at the stern end of each bench.
>
> Enclosing the cockpit benches would reduce the volume of water the cockpit
> holds, sending the extra water into the cabin instead of under the
> benches.
>
> If you're surfing and getting swamped by waves over the stern, trail warps
> or a sea anchor to slow down and maintain steerage.  But the real problem
> here is you are sailing the boat in conditions too severe for its design.
> It is not intended for open ocean sailing in severe conditions.
>
> Rick
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From jac2 at wavecable.com  Sun Feb 19 15:22:04 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 12:22:04 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
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Mike: Thanks for the response.

My jib furler allows for easily changing sails on the water. I think the
135% jib is a perfect all purpose size for the Rhodes 22. But, in my case,
it must be furled too much for self tailing so I stick with the 100% and
have been very pleased with it. At most, I sacrifice 1/2 to 1 knot of speed
in light winds and in moderate winds, 6 knots is still easily achieved.

Your comments about the 175% jib reflect what I have experienced as well. It
is a great sail for racing and sailing with a second hand. But, it is
definitely not an all purpose sail.

Sealing the companion way door is easy and any consideration of sealing the
cockpit floor pan must include some method for self bailing. I think this is
possible and could make the boat safer in rough conditions. I do not plan to
be in those conditions, but experience has taught me that it can happen even
with the best preparation and planning. Being safe means preparing for what
can happen, not what you expect to happen.

This will not be the first time I have been considered silly. But,  I trust
my instincts and have proven naysayers wrong many times. One of the great
things about the Rhodes 22 is that its current design includes the results
of owner ideas and experimentation with changes. I love the boat. I am
simply exploring an idea and will do so until I am satisfied the necessary
questions and possibilities have been covered.

Lastly, I know it has already been done by another owner for the same
reasons I am considering it.


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Michael Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:12 PM
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing

> Jay,
>
> Many Rhodes owners have reduced the jib to a more manageable size.  That
> is
> a Rhodes 22 sailor's preference.  Several sizes and furling systems are
> available including ones that permit changing the jib sail while underway
> to
> suit the conditions.  You should choose a system that provides comfort and
> safety, commensurate with the skill level of the captain and crew.
>
> I sailed the 135% Gennie for over 30 years on my first R22, without issue,
> around Long Island including the LI Sound and the Atlantic.  Both are
> bodies
> of water that can serve up demanding conditions without warning and one
> must
> be careful and prepared.  No sail configuration will make a Rhodes 22 into
> a
> blue water capable craft.  It is the responsibility of the captain to
> safeguard the crew and respect the limitations of both craft and
> personnel.
>
> I now own a newer R22 with IMF and a 175% Genoa.  I find issues pointing
> with the sail significantly furled and find it difficult to come about
> when
> it is fully deployed.  I still find it a welcome upgrade from my first
> Rhodes.
>
> I find the thought of walling up the under seat communication between the
> cockpit and the cabin as a means of preventing water entry to the cabin
> quite silly.  How will you prevent water from flowing into the cabin under
> the companionway door?  It is relatively watertight from rain but not from
> rising water in the cockpit.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 17:17:57 2017
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 17:17:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
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Jay,

I mostly sail on Lake Erie so I know the unpredictable nature of Great
Lakes weather.  Carry a sea anchor in case you get caught having to run in
heavy seas.

The 175 genny is an all purpose sail that can be furled to any size.  If
you are experiencing overpowering of your ring, you can also furl the
main.  The boom can also be lowered to reduce heel.  With practice, you
should get to the point where you sail the boat balanced with neutral helm
single handed or loaded with crew/guests in all conditions.

Tacking the 175 genny is a common complaint from those unaccustomed to
handling a large foresail.  Going into a tack, simply hold the loaded sheet
until the bow crosses the wind, backwinding the genny.  Then release the
sheet and the wind will carry the sail effortlessly across the bow into the
new tack position.  Backwinding the foresail also compensates for the
resistance of the flared bow to tacking.

As others have suggested, modifying the boat to sail in conditions it was
not designed to handle is unwise.  If you seek blue water sailing, get a
blue water boat.

Rick

From planegm at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 19 18:15:19 2017
From: planegm at yahoo.com (Gary)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 16:15:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
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Jay, I have enjoyed reading your questions/responses as well as those who
have sent you their responses.  All quite interesting.  My reply is a bit of
brain storming with reference to waterproofing the under seat water leakage
issue.  

What about stuffing rags (might rot) or cut up pipe foam insulation
longitutanly to act as a barrier to limit how far window weather proofing
foam will fall after spraying.  There are 3 types that the big boxes sell. 
First is foam that expands times 3.  Then foam that expands times 2.  Then
the foam that is a one for one expansion.  They are closed cell so
waterfroof.  Experience here says if you use the times 3 foam, understand
that it keeps expanding for almost 24 hours and has un seated my drywall
repair to comical results. So my suggestion is to use times two foam and
only let it fill your trough 1/2" deep. Safer yet would be the times one
expansion, but then you might miss some areas that could leak.

This suggestion may also work in some capacity under the aft end of the seat
where the forward wall of the lazerett breaches are.  The only caveat is
that the foam has to be supported, ie Duct tape?  Duct tape will release
under the pressure of the expanding foam.

Hope this helps.





-----
Gary
s/v Just Bent
'90 Rhodes 22
(recycled 2001)
Sun City, AZ
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Sun Feb 19 19:38:13 2017
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2017 16:38:13 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
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Hi all:

I concur with all of Rick's comments about using the 175. It is easy to use
if you don't force things. As Stan says ' if it's hard to do ,you're doing
it wrong'.

The IMF/175/traveler combo provides almost infinite adjustment to wind
conditions. Are you dropping the boom,sheeting to an inner track,  and
taking balanced reefs (i.e. furls) in both sails? This, from my experience
on a lake w/small (< 1m) waves,  works for winds to 25 kts.

That said, Jay is absolutely right about the drainage on the R22. The
Admiral once managed to bury the bow and bring about eight gallons into the
cockpit. It took a long time to drain...

Cheers,
Shawn Boles
s/v Sweet Baboo

On Feb 19, 2017 2:18 PM, "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jay,
>
> I mostly sail on Lake Erie so I know the unpredictable nature of Great
> Lakes weather.  Carry a sea anchor in case you get caught having to run in
> heavy seas.
>
> The 175 genny is an all purpose sail that can be furled to any size.  If
> you are experiencing overpowering of your ring, you can also furl the
> main.  The boom can also be lowered to reduce heel.  With practice, you
> should get to the point where you sail the boat balanced with neutral helm
> single handed or loaded with crew/guests in all conditions.
>
> Tacking the 175 genny is a common complaint from those unaccustomed to
> handling a large foresail.  Going into a tack, simply hold the loaded sheet
> until the bow crosses the wind, backwinding the genny.  Then release the
> sheet and the wind will carry the sail effortlessly across the bow into the
> new tack position.  Backwinding the foresail also compensates for the
> resistance of the flared bow to tacking.
>
> As others have suggested, modifying the boat to sail in conditions it was
> not designed to handle is unwise.  If you seek blue water sailing, get a
> blue water boat.
>
> Rick
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From daysails at aol.com  Mon Feb 20 09:34:53 2017
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 09:34:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
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Hi Jay,


Nice to see you on the list again.  This is Joe Riley.  We and our ladies all had lunch together in Port Townsend about four years ago.  I often watched the sail boats going out of Port Townsend and wondered how my Rhodes 22  and I would handle the winds and weather off your coast.  I remember unexpected weather would sometimes shut down the ferry service.  The fact that you are now in your 5th season of sailing those waters in a Rhodes 22 speaks highly of your skills despite the less than "blue water" qualities of the Rhodes 22.  I have read reviews that point out the limited self bailing afforded by the size of the drain holes make the Rhodes 22 not the best choice as a passage maker.  Yet at least one owner has taken it across the gulf stream to the islands and back.  I had not read accounts of the concave shape catching the wind but could see how that might happen.  Other than a rumored story of Rummy purposely setting out to capsize under sail, I have not read of any accounts of this happening.       




I have a confirming story of the 175 jib and the flair that just happened last weekend.  The winds on Lake Hartwell were piping at 15 to 20 knots with gusts beyond 30.  My adult daughter, Katie, and I were determined to get out on the lake but not sure we would actually sail.   We motored out and after awhile I got the courage to cut the motor and pull out a few feet of main and jib.  I am cautious and I thought I heard Rummy, who sailed these waters, laugh and yell over the wind to "let it all out!"   I was pleased that the boat was almost flat despite the strong winds and we were sailing in control.  The waves were cresting and I experienced surfing for the first time on the boat as we went done wind.  My daughter did a good job of pointing the boat between the narrow islands that have appeared due to the drought.  We were on a down wind run when my favorite hat, a tilley with both seat belts on went sailing off.  I told my daughter to bring us around on a broad reach.  I intended to take in what little sail we had out and motor back to find the hat.  Eager to get back to my hat while it was still In view I lifted the furling line from its cam cleat without taking any pressure off the in-play jib sheet.  One of the forcasted gusts hit the jib and pulled the tighly held line through my hand causing one searing rope burn and making me let go of the line.  The postage stamp storm sail grew into a 175 genoa at the speed of wind and Second Wind went to an angle that put the curved hull in the water  I took over the tiller and brought the bow enough into the wind so Katie was able to partially pull in the jib.  I crabbed into and out of the wind until she was able to get all the jib rolled back in.  I never did find the hat but did gain new respect for the power behind the 175 and the safety net of the flaired hull.  I also neglected to pull the fenders aboard when we left the dock.  When the gust hit, the jib sheet came up under the three fender lines and lifted those heavy white fenders skyward so it looked like Chinese lanterns hanging from the line.  It was that sight that had Katie thinking Captain Dad, despite his calm expression, was no longer in charge.  

Accodring to Stan, the Rhodes 22 has a practical wind velocity limitation of about 28 knots.  The Rhodes can stretch this limit because of its dual furling sails and boom lowering feature.  He points out the boat will go like the wind in 50 knots but tacking would be impossible.  He also mentions in his guide that in heavy airs the genoa furling line may require the muscle of the stongest crew member and if necessary the running of the furling line to the genoa winch.  I doubt I could  have handled the tiller and the furling line alone in those winds.  Even with the two of us it was an exciting few minutes.  I should have jibed and come around into the wind but that thought didn't come to me until the second beer in our debriefing session back at the dock.   So Jay, keep us informed about sailing a Rhodes in extreme conditions.  I think it is great that you would consider making adaptions to the boat rather than give it up for a different one.  I miss those breath taking views your sailing grounds.  I still remember the blue water stories you told of adventures on that schooner voyage down to San Francisco.  Let me know if you are ever in this area and I will introduce you to "mostly" stress free lake sailing  

Joe Riley
s/v Second Wind
Lake Hartwell
 



-----Original Message-----
 From: Jay Curry <jac2 at wavecable.com>
 To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
 Sent: Sat, Feb 18, 2017 3:57 pm
 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing

 Hi Folks. Here goes.... Been a while since I have been on the list. I own a 1992 factory refurbished Rhodes 22 with IMF purchased in 2012. This summer will be our 5th full season with the boat. I sail it in Sequim Bay and in the Straight of Juan De Fuca near Sequim and Port Angeles, WA. We no longer use the 175 Jib and instead use a 100% jib set up with a self tailing rig as a well as the standard jib sheets. Both jib sheet arrangements are always connected and can be used alternately for any conditions. As a result, the boat is stable and safe for single handling in even high wind conditions, something impossible with the 175 jib unless you have a crew. On a minor note, the concave shape of the hull catches high winds, heels the boat and allows it to be "sailed" with the sails down when the winds are up. That is not a good thing. I am still not sold on the concave shape. It may be great for preventing splashing, but from a safety standpoint, I think it has its draw backs.

 Outside the protected Bay, conditions can change in a heart beat and subject the boat to high winds and if those winds oppose the current, significant wave heights. The nearest islands are a 30 mile trip and weather windows are not always accurate due to all the micro climates in the area. They do not even try to forecast local winds. As you all know, the cockpit pan that sits under the hull cap and cockpit seats is open on the top edge. Any wave splashing over the stern will easily enter the boat cabin from over the top edges of that cockpit pan under the seats. The single drain hole at the back of the cockpit floor is completely inadequate for allowing large amounts of water to escape quickly. Successive waves would easily swamp the boat and require extensive bailing. In addition, you cold easily find yourself "surfing" some waves requiring solid steering control to prevent capsizing. The boat is very susceptible to loss of steering and to digging into the water if the wave
 hits from the stern. Any review of the stories where the rare capsizing has happened with this boat will confirm that scenario. So...

 Two items of interest.

 1. I know that at least one owner in Florida who sails the Atlantic has sealed the cockpit pan top edges. How he did it is not known. There are two alternatives. One would be to glass between the top edges of the pan and the underside of the seat. The other would be to install walls from the front edge of the seats to the floor of the cockpit. But, this alternative would have to be very strong. The last problem is how to create a self bailing arrangement. If you extended the center section of the cockpit floor to the stern under the stern seat, you would sacrifice some storage, but have a very adequate path to evacuate water and maintain the structural strength of the stern.

 Has anyone on the list done this or researched it?

 2. Any ideas on how to use a different rudder configuration or larger rudder with the existing stern configuration to allow a more robust steering control in forced, unavoidable surfing situations?

 Thanks in advance for any input you have. I am also open to any questions.

 Jay
 Port Angeles, WA





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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Feb 20 09:49:05 2017
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 09:49:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
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Joe,

That's a nice account of how quickly a quiet sail can become memorable.
After experiencing the same searing pain, I now wear my leather sailing
gloves regularly. They may not make you any stronger but at least you can
hold the line.

My only other advice would be more rum.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY




From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Feb 20 10:12:15 2017
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:12:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22
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Bob,
Almost looks like the rudder blade has twisted or warped??  Kind of hard to tell.  Not sure anyone has reported this as an issue before.  What material is the rudder blade made of? - rob

Rob Lowe

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 11:35 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

Thanks for the pictures Bob. I can't be sure I can see the curve but it looks to me like there might be a bend at the join between the rudder and the head. That might be possible. I just don't know how the rudder itself could bend without breaking. That doesn't mean it can't happen.
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester
Sent: February 18, 2017 9:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

Graham,
Good point about the swollen side as you experienced. However, you can see by both pics here it is a different case. Pic #2 that has the rudder laying down and it shows the best example of the curve.
Bob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 10:25 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

Bob:

Can you post a picture of the rudder? 
I wonder if the rudder is curved or instead has "swollen" on one side due to water migration into the core - especially if the rudder has been exposed to freezing. When I rebuilt my rudder I found that there were large voids in it and undertook to fill them with epoxy. Removing any paint might show cracks and if so see if there is a pattern that shows the effect of internal pressure. Just a guess.

Graham Stewart
Agile. R22, 1976
Kingston Ontario Canada



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Weisner
Sent: February 11, 2017 4:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

As the list admin, I received this "bounced" email this morning. I am not sure why it wound up in my inbox but it appears to have been sent to the list but did not reach the intended destination.  I am therefore forwarding it to the list.  Note to Bob: If you figure out why your post did not reach the proper destination, please let me know.  I hope that this helps to find a solution to your problem.

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 

 

From: C. Robert Lester [mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu]
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2017 11:06 AM
To: rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org
Subject: Curved Rudder | 84 Rhodes 22

 

I have an 84 Rhodes 22, that came with a "slightly-curved" rudder? As you can imagine, when under power this applies a slight port steer. As interested as I am in what would have caused this slight curve to the rudder, I am more interested in repairing/replacing this issue.

 

Thanks in advance for your thoughts / suggestions.

 

Bob

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From bridges.brooks at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 11:33:34 2017
From: bridges.brooks at gmail.com (thebooker)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 09:33:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
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Jay,

We're in very close agreement on the 175. 

First, I'm in my 70's and now want my sailing as pain and drama free as
possible. With my roller furling 130 jib, roller furling main, motor lift
(for my 22 lb Torqeedo - so heavy 22 lb) this goal is 95% achieved.
Installing a tiller pilot will bring me to sailing nirvana. I can bike right
up to my boat slip in 5 minutes and love getting away from dock as fast as
any motor boater. 

Second, I sailed with a 175 just enough to know that life for me is too
short to be constantly dealing with a sail so big and heavy and that, in my
area, can be fully unfurled roughly 10% of the time. 

I tried a smaller, non furling jib for one season - from an Etchells 22, 100
or 110%. I loved it. The boat went very well upwind and off wind and tacked
quickly and easily (I also single hand most of the time). The two things I
didn't like were (1) having to stuff it in a deck bag after sailing (bent
over for several minutes is a back killer) and (2) in higher winds I had to
deal with an overpowered boat or take it down. Even in light winds, the very
clean leading edge (just a wire) seemed to give back a lot of the power loss
due to smaller area. 

Gary Hoyt says the clean leading edge can make a jib 40% more powerful than
a main the same area because of turbulence caused by the mast. Doesn't take
much imagination to view a partially furled 175 as a sail behind a mast to
me. This makes me wonder if my unfurled 100% jib was delivering more like a
175 furled to 130 size. No question that the furled sail reduces
effectiveness of unfurled part.

Also, from my brief exposure to aerodynamics I learned that a circular cross
section (like a mast or partially furled jib) has 10 times the wind
resistance of an airfoil of same thickness. 

My compromise was a 130 furling from Stan. Can sail unfurled in higher winds
than 175 and, when furled to same area, have a smaller roll at leading edge.
I also think the dacron is a bit lighter than 175 and that, combined the
smaller sail area makes it quite a bit lighter.  I'm adding thin white,
split tubing that just fits around shrouds to reduce friction when tacking.

Previous owner also bought a Univera Power Sail (nylon, roller furling
genoa) which I can hook up very quickly. I have jib sheets attached with a
soft shackle I made (an interesting project) which lets me quickly switch
jib sheets to UPS if I want. Does not point for beans but great for reaches
and broad reaches.

*************************************************************

Now, your cockpit. (My Nonsuch 30 was considered unsuitable for blue water
almost solely because of  its large, seat-a-crowd cockpit with insufficient
drainage.) 

I think you should think about ventilation for cabin and rear lazzrerette if
you block the underseat openings. I suspect they help keep R22's mildew and
mold free.  So, maybe design them to be fairly easily removed when not
needed. Or to take one of those 4" diameter circular screw in deck hole
thingamabobs (I love nautical talk) Yes!  

If you do block them, I agree you need drainage. I'm thinking two, say 4"
diameter pipes going through lazzerette on either side, level with cockpit
floor, and under seats would dump a lot of water fast. Don't know what
material would work best with fiberglass. Thinking more, you may want them
nearer the centerline so if knocked down, they don't fill rather than drain
the cockpit. In fact, you may want a one-way valve in each - at least a flap
on outside. 

Safe fun sailing whatever you do!  Keep us posted.

Brooks






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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Feb 20 15:10:17 2017
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:10:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
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So, Mike, did you get your tiller pilot installed?  How?d it go?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Feb 17, 2017, at 7:42 AM, Michael Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> With warm weather predicted for the northeast this weekend I will be
> removing the cover tarp and starting some of my projects on my Rhodes 22
> such as the installation of a ST1000 Tiller Pilot from Santa.  Has anyone
> had any issues with the installation?
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> 
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gjnovotny at comcast.net  Mon Feb 20 15:37:59 2017
From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 15:37:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
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Jay,

I won't comment on the wisdom of enclosing the areas below the cockpit
seats, but I sealed the gaps between the hull and the cockpit cap top edges
with can foam from home depot. The foam I used did push out the cap a little
in a couple of spots so I concur minimally expanding foam is the correct
choice for this. 

Gary

Gary J Novotny
7309 S Indian River Drive
Fort Pierce, FL 34982
gjnovotny at comcast.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Jay Curry
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:22 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike

Mike: Thanks for the response.

My jib furler allows for easily changing sails on the water. I think the
135% jib is a perfect all purpose size for the Rhodes 22. But, in my case,
it must be furled too much for self tailing so I stick with the 100% and
have been very pleased with it. At most, I sacrifice 1/2 to 1 knot of speed
in light winds and in moderate winds, 6 knots is still easily achieved.

Your comments about the 175% jib reflect what I have experienced as well. It
is a great sail for racing and sailing with a second hand. But, it is
definitely not an all purpose sail.

Sealing the companion way door is easy and any consideration of sealing the
cockpit floor pan must include some method for self bailing. I think this is
possible and could make the boat safer in rough conditions. I do not plan to
be in those conditions, but experience has taught me that it can happen even
with the best preparation and planning. Being safe means preparing for what
can happen, not what you expect to happen.

This will not be the first time I have been considered silly. But,  I trust
my instincts and have proven naysayers wrong many times. One of the great
things about the Rhodes 22 is that its current design includes the results
of owner ideas and experimentation with changes. I love the boat. I am
simply exploring an idea and will do so until I am satisfied the necessary
questions and possibilities have been covered.

Lastly, I know it has already been done by another owner for the same
reasons I am considering it.


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Michael Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2017 3:12 PM
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing

> Jay,
>
> Many Rhodes owners have reduced the jib to a more manageable size.  
> That is a Rhodes 22 sailor's preference.  Several sizes and furling 
> systems are available including ones that permit changing the jib sail 
> while underway to suit the conditions.  You should choose a system 
> that provides comfort and safety, commensurate with the skill level of 
> the captain and crew.
>
> I sailed the 135% Gennie for over 30 years on my first R22, without 
> issue, around Long Island including the LI Sound and the Atlantic.  
> Both are bodies of water that can serve up demanding conditions 
> without warning and one must be careful and prepared.  No sail 
> configuration will make a Rhodes 22 into a blue water capable craft.  
> It is the responsibility of the captain to safeguard the crew and 
> respect the limitations of both craft and personnel.
>
> I now own a newer R22 with IMF and a 175% Genoa.  I find issues 
> pointing with the sail significantly furled and find it difficult to 
> come about when it is fully deployed.  I still find it a welcome 
> upgrade from my first Rhodes.
>
> I find the thought of walling up the under seat communication between 
> the cockpit and the cabin as a means of preventing water entry to the 
> cabin quite silly.  How will you prevent water from flowing into the 
> cabin under the companionway door?  It is relatively watertight from 
> rain but not from rising water in the cockpit.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
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From jac2 at wavecable.com  Mon Feb 20 15:42:02 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:02 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
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Hi Joe! I remember our lunch. It was great to meet you guys and it is
wonderful to hear you are doing (healing) well. I loved your story. In a
scramble letting that 175 get away from you is very easy and your are
immediately faced with all the little things you forgot to do or failed to
consider. I have been there many times. Thanks for sharing it. I feel a bit
guilty about not staying in touch. It is just my nature to keep my social
activities to a minimum. Being on the list and dealing with all this is
painful. I only do it in the hope of getting some really useful idea I have
not considered. Aside from Rick, most folks so far have tried to be helpful.

Years ago, as I was preparing to leave a remote anchor point after a weekend
in the Apostle Islands, (Sand Island) we faced a nearly 16 mile return trip
and winds were sustained at 30 gusting to 40 on the windward side. We had no
choice but to make the return. Just before hauling in the anchor, my
favorite leather hat blew off. I untied the dingy and tried to retrieve it.
Big, Big mistake. The wind was blowing from the island into over 100 miles
of open lake. Even though we were on the lee side of the island, the wind
caught the dingy so fast that I had to attempt a return almost immediately.
It took almost 15 minutes to make a 25 foot return to the boat. I was nearly
dead when I reached it. The hat is still there. Had I not reached the boat,
I would have been miles out into open lake before anyone could have reached
me. It would have been an extremely embarrassing coast guard rescue.

Calls for coast guard assistance were a daily occurrence in the islands and
they responded only if life was immediately at risk. In most cases they just
told you to throw out an anchor and call for a tow when it caught on
something. The point is that by the time a response is made, every boat in
the islands is listening in. I would have never lived that one down. Little
things like that teach you over time that a calm considered reaction is
always the best course. But, that is very very hard to do. I spent much of
my early career climbing utility poles. New climbers, despite the warnings
always hugged the pole the first time they slipped. Getting pencil size
splinters pulled out of you for several hours at the hospital fixes that
inclination in a heart beat. Reactions to sailing emergencies are much the
same and the same learning process seems to happen with each new boat.

Take care and write me off the list sometime. Always nice to hear from folks
we know.


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From: "Sling via Rhodes22-list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 6:34 AM
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing

>
>
>
> Hi Jay,
>
>
> Nice to see you on the list again.  This is Joe Riley.  We and our ladies
> all had lunch together in Port Townsend about four years ago.  I often
> watched the sail boats going out of Port Townsend and wondered how my
> Rhodes 22  and I would handle the winds and weather off your coast.  I
> remember unexpected weather would sometimes shut down the ferry service.
> The fact that you are now in your 5th season of sailing those waters in a
> Rhodes 22 speaks highly of your skills despite the less than "blue water"
> qualities of the Rhodes 22.  I have read reviews that point out the
> limited self bailing afforded by the size of the drain holes make the
> Rhodes 22 not the best choice as a passage maker.  Yet at least one owner
> has taken it across the gulf stream to the islands and back.  I had not
> read accounts of the concave shape catching the wind but could see how
> that might happen.  Other than a rumored story of Rummy purposely setting
> out to capsize under sail, I have not read of any acc
> ounts of this happening.
>
>
>
>
> I have a confirming story of the 175 jib and the flair that just happened
> last weekend.  The winds on Lake Hartwell were piping at 15 to 20 knots
> with gusts beyond 30.  My adult daughter, Katie, and I were determined to
> get out on the lake but not sure we would actually sail.   We motored out
> and after awhile I got the courage to cut the motor and pull out a few
> feet of main and jib.  I am cautious and I thought I heard Rummy, who
> sailed these waters, laugh and yell over the wind to "let it all out!"   I
> was pleased that the boat was almost flat despite the strong winds and we
> were sailing in control.  The waves were cresting and I experienced
> surfing for the first time on the boat as we went done wind.  My daughter
> did a good job of pointing the boat between the narrow islands that have
> appeared due to the drought.  We were on a down wind run when my favorite
> hat, a tilley with both seat belts on went sailing off.  I told my
> daughter to bring us around on a broad reach.  I i
> ntended to take in what little sail we had out and motor back to find the
> hat.  Eager to get back to my hat while it was still In view I lifted the
> furling line from its cam cleat without taking any pressure off the
> in-play jib sheet.  One of the forcasted gusts hit the jib and pulled the
> tighly held line through my hand causing one searing rope burn and making
> me let go of the line.  The postage stamp storm sail grew into a 175 genoa
> at the speed of wind and Second Wind went to an angle that put the curved
> hull in the water  I took over the tiller and brought the bow enough into
> the wind so Katie was able to partially pull in the jib.  I crabbed into
> and out of the wind until she was able to get all the jib rolled back in.
> I never did find the hat but did gain new respect for the power behind the
> 175 and the safety net of the flaired hull.  I also neglected to pull the
> fenders aboard when we left the dock.  When the gust hit, the jib sheet
> came up under the three fender li
> nes and lifted those heavy white fenders skyward so it looked like Chinese
> lanterns hanging from the line.  It was that sight that had Katie thinking
> Captain Dad, despite his calm expression, was no longer in charge.
>
> Accodring to Stan, the Rhodes 22 has a practical wind velocity limitation
> of about 28 knots.  The Rhodes can stretch this limit because of its dual
> furling sails and boom lowering feature.  He points out the boat will go
> like the wind in 50 knots but tacking would be impossible.  He also
> mentions in his guide that in heavy airs the genoa furling line may
> require the muscle of the stongest crew member and if necessary the
> running of the furling line to the genoa winch.  I doubt I could  have
> handled the tiller and the furling line alone in those winds.  Even with
> the two of us it was an exciting few minutes.  I should have jibed and
> come around into the wind but that thought didn't come to me until the
> second beer in our debriefing session back at the dock.   So Jay, keep us
> informed about sailing a Rhodes in extreme conditions.  I think it is
> great that you would consider making adaptions to the boat rather than
> give it up for a different one.  I miss those breath taking view
> s your sailing grounds.  I still remember the blue water stories you told
> of adventures on that schooner voyage down to San Francisco.  Let me know
> if you are ever in this area and I will introduce you to "mostly" stress
> free lake sailing
>
> Joe Riley
> s/v Second Wind
> Lake Hartwell
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jay Curry <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 18, 2017 3:57 pm
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
>
> Hi Folks. Here goes.... Been a while since I have been on the list. I own
> a 1992 factory refurbished Rhodes 22 with IMF purchased in 2012. This
> summer will be our 5th full season with the boat. I sail it in Sequim Bay
> and in the Straight of Juan De Fuca near Sequim and Port Angeles, WA. We
> no longer use the 175 Jib and instead use a 100% jib set up with a self
> tailing rig as a well as the standard jib sheets. Both jib sheet
> arrangements are always connected and can be used alternately for any
> conditions. As a result, the boat is stable and safe for single handling
> in even high wind conditions, something impossible with the 175 jib unless
> you have a crew. On a minor note, the concave shape of the hull catches
> high winds, heels the boat and allows it to be "sailed" with the sails
> down when the winds are up. That is not a good thing. I am still not sold
> on the concave shape. It may be great for preventing splashing, but from a
> safety standpoint, I think it has its draw backs.
>
> Outside the protected Bay, conditions can change in a heart beat and
> subject the boat to high winds and if those winds oppose the current,
> significant wave heights. The nearest islands are a 30 mile trip and
> weather windows are not always accurate due to all the micro climates in
> the area. They do not even try to forecast local winds. As you all know,
> the cockpit pan that sits under the hull cap and cockpit seats is open on
> the top edge. Any wave splashing over the stern will easily enter the boat
> cabin from over the top edges of that cockpit pan under the seats. The
> single drain hole at the back of the cockpit floor is completely
> inadequate for allowing large amounts of water to escape quickly.
> Successive waves would easily swamp the boat and require extensive
> bailing. In addition, you cold easily find yourself "surfing" some waves
> requiring solid steering control to prevent capsizing. The boat is very
> susceptible to loss of steering and to digging into the water if the wav
> e
> hits from the stern. Any review of the stories where the rare capsizing
> has happened with this boat will confirm that scenario. So...
>
> Two items of interest.
>
> 1. I know that at least one owner in Florida who sails the Atlantic has
> sealed the cockpit pan top edges. How he did it is not known. There are
> two alternatives. One would be to glass between the top edges of the pan
> and the underside of the seat. The other would be to install walls from
> the front edge of the seats to the floor of the cockpit. But, this
> alternative would have to be very strong. The last problem is how to
> create a self bailing arrangement. If you extended the center section of
> the cockpit floor to the stern under the stern seat, you would sacrifice
> some storage, but have a very adequate path to evacuate water and maintain
> the structural strength of the stern.
>
> Has anyone on the list done this or researched it?
>
> 2. Any ideas on how to use a different rudder configuration or larger
> rudder with the existing stern configuration to allow a more robust
> steering control in forced, unavoidable surfing situations?
>
> Thanks in advance for any input you have. I am also open to any questions.
>
> Jay
> Port Angeles, WA
>
>
>
>
>
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From jac2 at wavecable.com  Mon Feb 20 15:42:09 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:09 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
In-Reply-To: <1487546119255-52834.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Gary:

Very helpful. I had not considered foam or a combination of foam with fiber
glass. The purpose of sealing is not for sustained water presence, but to
prevent temporary splashing from entering the boat until it can be quickly
and efficiently self bailed out the stern.

Thanks.

Jay


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From: "Gary via Rhodes22-list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:15 PM
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing

> Jay, I have enjoyed reading your questions/responses as well as those who
> have sent you their responses.  All quite interesting.  My reply is a bit
> of
> brain storming with reference to waterproofing the under seat water
> leakage
> issue.
>
> What about stuffing rags (might rot) or cut up pipe foam insulation
> longitutanly to act as a barrier to limit how far window weather proofing
> foam will fall after spraying.  There are 3 types that the big boxes sell.
> First is foam that expands times 3.  Then foam that expands times 2.  Then
> the foam that is a one for one expansion.  They are closed cell so
> waterfroof.  Experience here says if you use the times 3 foam, understand
> that it keeps expanding for almost 24 hours and has un seated my drywall
> repair to comical results. So my suggestion is to use times two foam and
> only let it fill your trough 1/2" deep. Safer yet would be the times one
> expansion, but then you might miss some areas that could leak.
>
> This suggestion may also work in some capacity under the aft end of the
> seat
> where the forward wall of the lazerett breaches are.  The only caveat is
> that the foam has to be supported, ie Duct tape?  Duct tape will release
> under the pressure of the expanding foam.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Gary
> s/v Just Bent
> '90 Rhodes 22
> (recycled 2001)
> Sun City, AZ
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From jac2 at wavecable.com  Mon Feb 20 15:42:34 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:34 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
In-Reply-To: <1487608414526-52839.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Brooks. As always, I enjoy your responses. Thanks for the mention of
venting. I agree, the floor pan is an important part of that. I need to
consider how to keep that ventilation in place when the seal is not needed.
I am with you on the other points. Sailing should be fun and easy.
Emergencies should be short and recoverable. And last, any work you have to
do should be part of the fun, not forced on you by avoidable problems
associated with the rigging, sails or boat set up.

Take care. Keep it easy and thanks

Jay

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From: "thebooker" <bridges.brooks at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 8:33 AM
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike

> Jay,
>
> We're in very close agreement on the 175.
>
> First, I'm in my 70's and now want my sailing as pain and drama free as
> possible. With my roller furling 130 jib, roller furling main, motor lift
> (for my 22 lb Torqeedo - so heavy 22 lb) this goal is 95% achieved.
> Installing a tiller pilot will bring me to sailing nirvana. I can bike
> right
> up to my boat slip in 5 minutes and love getting away from dock as fast as
> any motor boater.
>
> Second, I sailed with a 175 just enough to know that life for me is too
> short to be constantly dealing with a sail so big and heavy and that, in
> my
> area, can be fully unfurled roughly 10% of the time.
>
> I tried a smaller, non furling jib for one season - from an Etchells 22,
> 100
> or 110%. I loved it. The boat went very well upwind and off wind and
> tacked
> quickly and easily (I also single hand most of the time). The two things I
> didn't like were (1) having to stuff it in a deck bag after sailing (bent
> over for several minutes is a back killer) and (2) in higher winds I had
> to
> deal with an overpowered boat or take it down. Even in light winds, the
> very
> clean leading edge (just a wire) seemed to give back a lot of the power
> loss
> due to smaller area.
>
> Gary Hoyt says the clean leading edge can make a jib 40% more powerful
> than
> a main the same area because of turbulence caused by the mast. Doesn't
> take
> much imagination to view a partially furled 175 as a sail behind a mast to
> me. This makes me wonder if my unfurled 100% jib was delivering more like
> a
> 175 furled to 130 size. No question that the furled sail reduces
> effectiveness of unfurled part.
>
> Also, from my brief exposure to aerodynamics I learned that a circular
> cross
> section (like a mast or partially furled jib) has 10 times the wind
> resistance of an airfoil of same thickness.
>
> My compromise was a 130 furling from Stan. Can sail unfurled in higher
> winds
> than 175 and, when furled to same area, have a smaller roll at leading
> edge.
> I also think the dacron is a bit lighter than 175 and that, combined the
> smaller sail area makes it quite a bit lighter.  I'm adding thin white,
> split tubing that just fits around shrouds to reduce friction when
> tacking.
>
> Previous owner also bought a Univera Power Sail (nylon, roller furling
> genoa) which I can hook up very quickly. I have jib sheets attached with a
> soft shackle I made (an interesting project) which lets me quickly switch
> jib sheets to UPS if I want. Does not point for beans but great for
> reaches
> and broad reaches.
>
> *************************************************************
>
> Now, your cockpit. (My Nonsuch 30 was considered unsuitable for blue water
> almost solely because of  its large, seat-a-crowd cockpit with
> insufficient
> drainage.)
>
> I think you should think about ventilation for cabin and rear lazzrerette
> if
> you block the underseat openings. I suspect they help keep R22's mildew
> and
> mold free.  So, maybe design them to be fairly easily removed when not
> needed. Or to take one of those 4" diameter circular screw in deck hole
> thingamabobs (I love nautical talk) Yes!
>
> If you do block them, I agree you need drainage. I'm thinking two, say 4"
> diameter pipes going through lazzerette on either side, level with cockpit
> floor, and under seats would dump a lot of water fast. Don't know what
> material would work best with fiberglass. Thinking more, you may want them
> nearer the centerline so if knocked down, they don't fill rather than
> drain
> the cockpit. In fact, you may want a one-way valve in each - at least a
> flap
> on outside.
>
> Safe fun sailing whatever you do!  Keep us posted.
>
> Brooks
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Brooks Bridges
> 1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
> Cambridge, MD
> --
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From jac2 at wavecable.com  Mon Feb 20 15:42:45 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:45 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
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Shawn: Thanks for the response and support on the drainage.

To Shawn, Rick and any others considering responding to my comments on the
175, please stop. I experimented for two full summers with every conceivable
combination of reefing, boom position and sheet placement before coming to
the inescapable conclusion that a different sail was needed for my purposes.
If you enjoy the 175, more power to you. But, assuming (by the content of
your response) that my comments on it are a result of inexperience, lack of
experimentation or laziness is insulting and unnecessary. I do not need an
education on sail handling.

I am interested only in the floor pan seal and modification of the storage
area under rear seats for self bailing. It is NOT an attempt to create a
blue water boat. But as others on the list note, sailing in blue water near
shore in this type of boat is common where I live and where others live.
Sailing the San Juan Islands is and has been done often by other Rhodes
owners. There is a group sail of small boats in the Islands each year.
Making this boat more prepared for severe conditions, does not change what
it is, it just makes it safer and even more capable. I see no harm in
pursuing it especially if the change improves what it is and does not
sacrifice structural or sailing capability.

The possibilities of owner modifications of this boat are part of makes it
such an attractive pocket cruiser. I am trying to honor that use and
process. Your help, is appreciated.

Jay





 



From waldjh1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 16:08:29 2017
From: waldjh1 at gmail.com (John Waldhausen)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:08:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
Message-ID: <2B8A7549-22ED-4D9F-B427-2D0C3687FBC2@gmail.com>

Dear all,
I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
John 
Bainbridge Island

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Feb 20 16:20:58 2017
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:20:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
In-Reply-To: <2B8A7549-22ED-4D9F-B427-2D0C3687FBC2@gmail.com>
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I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
> John 
> Bainbridge Island
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From waldjh1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 16:40:53 2017
From: waldjh1 at gmail.com (John Waldhausen)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:40:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
In-Reply-To: <09187103-EF0F-4E1B-AEC3-2AF22E2B6308@sunnybeeches.com>
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It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 

John Waldhausen

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>> John 
>> Bainbridge Island
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From tryc96 at ymail.com  Mon Feb 20 17:12:48 2017
From: tryc96 at ymail.com (William Scarpitta)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:12:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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Yup. ?it needs a bolt long enough that you can back it up with a locknut inside.Billy Scarpittas/v SandpiperMarinatown, Fort Myers, FL

      From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
 To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
 Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
   
It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 

John Waldhausen

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.? I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.? How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>> John 
>> Bainbridge Island
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From tryc96 at ymail.com  Mon Feb 20 17:11:05 2017
From: tryc96 at ymail.com (William Scarpitta)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:11:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
In-Reply-To: <09187103-EF0F-4E1B-AEC3-2AF22E2B6308@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <2B8A7549-22ED-4D9F-B427-2D0C3687FBC2@gmail.com>
 <09187103-EF0F-4E1B-AEC3-2AF22E2B6308@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <70108714.1357516.1487628665376@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Billy Scarpitta here, two-year owner of Sandpiper a 1996 R-22 with IMF. ?I had the bolt that goes into the plastic in the boom strip the threads and come out. ?When I took the mast down to replace the main I used a longer bolt and put an aircraft type lock nut on the inside. ?Did the job, but it's only easy if the mast is already down.Marinatown, Fort Myers, FL

      From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
 To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
 Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
   
I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.? I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.? How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear all,
> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
> John 
> Bainbridge Island
> __________________________________________________
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From jac2 at wavecable.com  Mon Feb 20 17:28:10 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 14:28:10 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
In-Reply-To: <034b01d28bb9$39cde090$ad69a1b0$@comcast.net>
References: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
 <028e01d28a3c$883bd8a0$98b389e0$@ebsmed.com>
 <CD81EB7DFB194AB29B9E0616921FED1A@Officepc>
 <034b01d28bb9$39cde090$ad69a1b0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <E70E3B8DADA24B25AD39E49279442694@Officepc>

Thanks Gary:

I assume by cockpit cap top edges that you mean the top edges of the floor 
pan under the seats.  What has been your experience after sealing with 
changes in venting the cabin? Here, moss and mold are a constant problem.
Even the summers are cool with 60 degrees common on the water even 
in June. In the winter we can go a month or more without seeing the sun.
Venting is critical. I was thinking about sealing the top edges and putting
closeable vents in the sides under the seats to allow air flow when
docked or under sail in good weather.


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Gary Novotny" <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 12:37 PM
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike

> Jay,
>
> I won't comment on the wisdom of enclosing the areas below the cockpit
> seats, but I sealed the gaps between the hull and the cockpit cap top
> edges
> with can foam from home depot. The foam I used did push out the cap a
> little
> in a couple of spots so I concur minimally expanding foam is the correct
> choice for this.
>
> Gary
>
> Gary J Novotny
> 7309 S Indian River Drive
> Fort Pierce, FL 34982
> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>
>
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Feb 20 22:57:25 2017
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:57:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
In-Reply-To: <A2D84ECB-394C-4419-910B-803ED8404EAB@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <01f201d2891b$58b7f9a0$0a27ece0$@ebsmed.com>
 <A2D84ECB-394C-4419-910B-803ED8404EAB@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <00f601d28bf6$9e168f60$da43ae20$@ebsmed.com>

Hi Peter,

Not yet!  I opened up the boat and measured where I want the ST1000 to be affixed (based on the experience of others in the archives). I verified that the throw looks about right and started running the electrical connections.  I had to stop and cover the boat to spend some time with my oldest daughter who thought that the long weekend and great weather was a good excuse to visit.  No complaints here but my planned projects are back on hold until the next warm weekend.  As long as it is done before May 1st I will be happy.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY




From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue Feb 21 08:53:56 2017
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:53:56 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
In-Reply-To: <78CD6712-B76A-494F-933A-CB8E1AC0A4B3@gmail.com>
References: <2B8A7549-22ED-4D9F-B427-2D0C3687FBC2@gmail.com>
 <09187103-EF0F-4E1B-AEC3-2AF22E2B6308@sunnybeeches.com>
 <78CD6712-B76A-494F-933A-CB8E1AC0A4B3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05c4a85d91e44afb92d4e86bd9d05830@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  

Billy,
I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin

It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 

John Waldhausen

> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>> John
>> Bainbridge Island
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
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>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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> 
> __________________________________________________
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 10:05:31 2017
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:05:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
In-Reply-To: <611E70171BB24FA088FC17EA0214F050@Officepc>
References: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
 <CABkv36ZOXUDoVjBdhcJPvyQMhHngAHru0sKhfES=HXUbsX6+CA@mail.gmail.com>
 <51B4B92152DB4E6594406799A03531A1@Officepc>
 <CABkv36YAiODOj_1D6af3x8LhOh-TJBSJQ7v67wVHmM1a=OQdQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzGxuOzBXEEmj2h5M2QuRcJa3AATsCEvqkjGwc8C_JrnzsoPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <611E70171BB24FA088FC17EA0214F050@Officepc>
Message-ID: <CABkv36ZWvpzJaC9fT2tzHC+ezYDF5RhN=8peLbCHORfE2JWaBQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jay,

Why are you upset when you are corrected for putting forth alternative
facts about the boat and sails?  And others sailing the boat where it
doesn't belong shouldn't be motivation for you to follow.

Reducing the volume of water the cockpit can hold before it drains into the
cabin and lazaret will not prepare you for severe conditions.  There is no
bridge deck and the lazaret does not drain.

Rick

From waldjh1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 10:39:56 2017
From: waldjh1 at gmail.com (John Waldhausen)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 07:39:56 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
In-Reply-To: <05c4a85d91e44afb92d4e86bd9d05830@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
References: <2B8A7549-22ED-4D9F-B427-2D0C3687FBC2@gmail.com>
 <09187103-EF0F-4E1B-AEC3-2AF22E2B6308@sunnybeeches.com>
 <78CD6712-B76A-494F-933A-CB8E1AC0A4B3@gmail.com>
 <05c4a85d91e44afb92d4e86bd9d05830@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
Message-ID: <72EC9D25-5347-4D10-AF75-3A7247683E9C@gmail.com>

Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?

John Waldhausen
Bainbridge Island

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
> 
> Billy,
> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
> 
> John Waldhausen
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>> John
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
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>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>> 
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue Feb 21 10:59:03 2017
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 15:59:03 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
In-Reply-To: <72EC9D25-5347-4D10-AF75-3A7247683E9C@gmail.com>
References: <2B8A7549-22ED-4D9F-B427-2D0C3687FBC2@gmail.com>
 <09187103-EF0F-4E1B-AEC3-2AF22E2B6308@sunnybeeches.com>
 <78CD6712-B76A-494F-933A-CB8E1AC0A4B3@gmail.com>
 <05c4a85d91e44afb92d4e86bd9d05830@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
 <72EC9D25-5347-4D10-AF75-3A7247683E9C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7d8a5b03f048426c9995a38c12216dce@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.  In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin

Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?

John Waldhausen
Bainbridge Island

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
> 
> Billy,
> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's 
> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
> 
> John Waldhausen
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>> John
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
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>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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>> 
>> __________________________________________________
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From jac2 at wavecable.com  Tue Feb 21 12:47:27 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 09:47:27 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36ZWvpzJaC9fT2tzHC+ezYDF5RhN=8peLbCHORfE2JWaBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
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 <51B4B92152DB4E6594406799A03531A1@Officepc>
 <CABkv36YAiODOj_1D6af3x8LhOh-TJBSJQ7v67wVHmM1a=OQdQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzGxuOzBXEEmj2h5M2QuRcJa3AATsCEvqkjGwc8C_JrnzsoPA@mail.gmail.com>
 <611E70171BB24FA088FC17EA0214F050@Officepc>
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Message-ID: <D286150D03834A388C399A17E539F40A@Officepc>

Not upset at all. Just attempting to filter out the useless noise of those
who fail to grasp (deliberately so I think) the scope and intent of my
purpose and idea. Asking questions is often a difficult and painful process.
The reasons for asking them are often attacked by those who disagree or are
in some way challenged by them. A respectful person would take the time and
put in the effort to understand that the answers I seek could mean I am
wrong. I am open to it. You should be as well.

Passing on to me comments about basic sail or boat handling even a brand new
sailor would know are not respectful or in any way helpful. Quite the
opposite. Assuming I am ignoring the purpose and capabilities of the boat
are equally so. Safety has always been the first consideration. Cold water
sailors often do not get second chances.

Your comment below proves you have not fully considered my idea or
explanations and are not even willing  give me credit for having enough
sense to even ask questions.. I see no point in trying to convince you other
wise.


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:05 AM
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick

> Jay,
>
> Why are you upset when you are corrected for putting forth alternative
> facts about the boat and sails?  And others sailing the boat where it
> doesn't belong shouldn't be motivation for you to follow.
>
> Reducing the volume of water the cockpit can hold before it drains into
> the
> cabin and lazaret will not prepare you for severe conditions.  There is no
> bridge deck and the lazaret does not drain.
>
> Rick
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
> __________________________________________________
> 


From bridges.brooks at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 13:04:42 2017
From: bridges.brooks at gmail.com (thebooker)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:04:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36ZWvpzJaC9fT2tzHC+ezYDF5RhN=8peLbCHORfE2JWaBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
 <CABkv36ZOXUDoVjBdhcJPvyQMhHngAHru0sKhfES=HXUbsX6+CA@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CABkv36ZWvpzJaC9fT2tzHC+ezYDF5RhN=8peLbCHORfE2JWaBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1487700282047-52858.post@n5.nabble.com>

Well, I suspect it'll be a long time before Jay disturbs your peace again and
that's a pity. It would have been interesting to hear what he does. 

Jay is obviously a very experienced, knowledgeable sailor. He's found
something he prefers to a 175 and given excellent reasons. He asked about
making a change to boat cockpit; not about his sail choice. Nevertheless,
the 175 proponents felt compelled to point out his heresy.
 
Let it go, please. There's enough going on in the world raising my BP; I
come here to get away from that.

Brooks Bridges
Choptank River, Cambridge MD
"Changes"





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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 13:11:26 2017
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:11:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
In-Reply-To: <D286150D03834A388C399A17E539F40A@Officepc>
References: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
 <CABkv36ZOXUDoVjBdhcJPvyQMhHngAHru0sKhfES=HXUbsX6+CA@mail.gmail.com>
 <51B4B92152DB4E6594406799A03531A1@Officepc>
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Message-ID: <CABkv36bA-LR1cWc-3UyDSe5s71QQ77ThJbmCaVW9vrnCFKYPSQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jay,

This is a public forum for people with a wide range of experience with the
boat.  When you say something basically incorrect, then a basic explanation
of the correction is needed for all.

Don't assume I haven't considered your idea because I disagree with it.
And if you go through with it without testing, I'm convinced you will get
very cold.

Rick

From jac2 at wavecable.com  Tue Feb 21 13:29:56 2017
From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:29:56 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36bA-LR1cWc-3UyDSe5s71QQ77ThJbmCaVW9vrnCFKYPSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
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Message-ID: <1BDDC09E1F2042E6B73FD8EBFAF1CC9A@Officepc>

Rick

I knew this was going to happen. I should have known better. I got bullied
last time over this. Yes, a public forum, but one with a very aggressive,
dismissive mechanism for shutting down any discussion contrary to the boats
advertised features.

Your comments on my idea betray your intent and make it clear you do not
understand and arrogantly assume I am incorrect because I disagree with you.

...............................

To those of you that provided some useful feedback, thanks you so much.

I will be exiting this list. It is abundantly clear that Rick will
aggressively dismiss ANY idea that he does not agree with and  block in
every way possible any attempt I make to do so.

I do not need this in my life.

I will continue to pursue the idea. Those of you that have my email address
are welcome to check in. I would enjoy hearing from you. If it works out, I
will post pictures somehow. I am sure they would not be allowed on the list.

Jay




--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:11 AM
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick

> Jay,
>
> This is a public forum for people with a wide range of experience with the
> boat.  When you say something basically incorrect, then a basic
> explanation
> of the correction is needed for all.
>
> Don't assume I haven't considered your idea because I disagree with it.
> And if you go through with it without testing, I'm convinced you will get
> very cold.
>
> Rick
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
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> 


From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 13:37:06 2017
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:37:06 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
In-Reply-To: <1BDDC09E1F2042E6B73FD8EBFAF1CC9A@Officepc>
References: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
 <CABkv36ZOXUDoVjBdhcJPvyQMhHngAHru0sKhfES=HXUbsX6+CA@mail.gmail.com>
 <51B4B92152DB4E6594406799A03531A1@Officepc>
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 <D286150D03834A388C399A17E539F40A@Officepc>
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 <1BDDC09E1F2042E6B73FD8EBFAF1CC9A@Officepc>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuOBYcTTdC0y6ZTpxCmVDx29_dsmri400CZ2wx4ufn6iQA@mail.gmail.com>

Jay:

I'm sure you're much more able sailor than I will ever be. That said, I was
just trying to provide the perspective of an old guy who uses the R22 in a
sometimes windy lake setting. I hope you will reconsider your decision
about participating in the list. With respect to the 175, horses for
courses say I.

Cheers,
Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo


On Feb 21, 2017 10:30 AM, "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com> wrote:

Rick

I knew this was going to happen. I should have known better. I got bullied
last time over this. Yes, a public forum, but one with a very aggressive,
dismissive mechanism for shutting down any discussion contrary to the boats
advertised features.

Your comments on my idea betray your intent and make it clear you do not
understand and arrogantly assume I am incorrect because I disagree with you.

...............................

To those of you that provided some useful feedback, thanks you so much.

I will be exiting this list. It is abundantly clear that Rick will
aggressively dismiss ANY idea that he does not agree with and  block in
every way possible any attempt I make to do so.

I do not need this in my life.

I will continue to pursue the idea. Those of you that have my email address
are welcome to check in. I would enjoy hearing from you. If it works out, I
will post pictures somehow. I am sure they would not be allowed on the list.

Jay




--------------------------------------------------
From: "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:11 AM

To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick

Jay,
>
> This is a public forum for people with a wide range of experience with the
> boat.  When you say something basically incorrect, then a basic
> explanation
> of the correction is needed for all.
>
> Don't assume I haven't considered your idea because I disagree with it.
> And if you go through with it without testing, I'm convinced you will get
> very cold.
>
> Rick
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>
> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>
>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Feb 21 14:06:01 2017
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:06:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
In-Reply-To: <1BDDC09E1F2042E6B73FD8EBFAF1CC9A@Officepc>
References: <18A5C5E9D45D4833A7C3FD21C6676412@Officepc>
 <CABkv36ZOXUDoVjBdhcJPvyQMhHngAHru0sKhfES=HXUbsX6+CA@mail.gmail.com>
 <51B4B92152DB4E6594406799A03531A1@Officepc>
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Message-ID: <019901d28c75$8c0a6740$a41f35c0$@ebsmed.com>

Jay,

Any of your contributions will be welcome on the list as long as I am
responsible the list.  Your thoughts, and those of others, are all welcome.
The intent was originally to mimic an atmosphere of a sailor's watering
hole.  Some will always attempt to speak louder than others.  I simply ask
that we not "bully" others.  Forcing someone to exit the list is certainly
not a desired behavior.

You are definitely right that others have been overly critical of your
ideas, some going so far as to say that you are "incorrect" if you do not
agree with them.  This, unfortunately, occurs much of the time in a forum
where everyone is an "expert" and offers their comments in an effort to
"convert" those who have reached a different conclusion.  I can only ask
that we think a bit more before clicking the "send" button.

If you choose to leave, may you experience fair winds and following seas and
non-flooded cockpits.  If, as I hope, you will decide to regularly publish
your ideas, I can assure you that I have no intent to censure or stifle your
posts.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



From bridges.brooks at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 14:17:10 2017
From: bridges.brooks at gmail.com (thebooker)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 12:17:10 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
In-Reply-To: <019901d28c75$8c0a6740$a41f35c0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CABkv36ZOXUDoVjBdhcJPvyQMhHngAHru0sKhfES=HXUbsX6+CA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAt7pxQkBRqdKy1Xa54U9h9aQKPm6ocmXCJmWP5J82UfypC3mw@mail.gmail.com>

Nicely said Mike.

Jay's left the list so I'll forward this to him.

Brooks

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:06 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com [via Rhodes 22] <
ml-node+s1065344n52863h70 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Jay,
>
> Any of your contributions will be welcome on the list as long as I am
> responsible the list.  Your thoughts, and those of others, are all
> welcome.
> The intent was originally to mimic an atmosphere of a sailor's watering
> hole.  Some will always attempt to speak louder than others.  I simply ask
> that we not "bully" others.  Forcing someone to exit the list is certainly
> not a desired behavior.
>
> You are definitely right that others have been overly critical of your
> ideas, some going so far as to say that you are "incorrect" if you do not
> agree with them.  This, unfortunately, occurs much of the time in a forum
> where everyone is an "expert" and offers their comments in an effort to
> "convert" those who have reached a different conclusion.  I can only ask
> that we think a bit more before clicking the "send" button.
>
> If you choose to leave, may you experience fair winds and following seas
> and
> non-flooded cockpits.  If, as I hope, you will decide to regularly publish
> your ideas, I can assure you that I have no intent to censure or stifle
> your
> posts.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Feb 21 14:19:31 2017
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:19:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
In-Reply-To: <CAAt7pxQkBRqdKy1Xa54U9h9aQKPm6ocmXCJmWP5J82UfypC3mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36ZOXUDoVjBdhcJPvyQMhHngAHru0sKhfES=HXUbsX6+CA@mail.gmail.com>
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I already have.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
thebooker
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:17 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick

Nicely said Mike.

Jay's left the list so I'll forward this to him.

Brooks

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:06 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com [via Rhodes 22] <
ml-node+s1065344n52863h70 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:

> Jay,
>
> Any of your contributions will be welcome on the list as long as I am 
> responsible the list.  Your thoughts, and those of others, are all 
> welcome.
> The intent was originally to mimic an atmosphere of a sailor's 
> watering hole.  Some will always attempt to speak louder than others.  
> I simply ask that we not "bully" others.  Forcing someone to exit the 
> list is certainly not a desired behavior.
>
> You are definitely right that others have been overly critical of your 
> ideas, some going so far as to say that you are "incorrect" if you do 
> not agree with them.  This, unfortunately, occurs much of the time in 
> a forum where everyone is an "expert" and offers their comments in an 
> effort to "convert" those who have reached a different conclusion.  I 
> can only ask that we think a bit more before clicking the "send" button.
>
> If you choose to leave, may you experience fair winds and following 
> seas and non-flooded cockpits.  If, as I hope, you will decide to 
> regularly publish your ideas, I can assure you that I have no intent 
> to censure or stifle your posts.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ 
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From waldjh1 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 17:51:43 2017
From: waldjh1 at gmail.com (John Waldhausen)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:51:43 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
In-Reply-To: <7d8a5b03f048426c9995a38c12216dce@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
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Message-ID: <4BB6560D-9652-47C4-9746-FF82866E60D9@gmail.com>

I know about the pop top. Does one lower the boom just to decrease the wind speed hitting the sail? I have an in mast furling and have always just partially furled the sail as wind speed picks up. Probably a simple question but I have no experience lowering the boom ( on purpose).

John Waldhausen

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.  In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
> 
> John Waldhausen
> Bainbridge Island
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
>> 
>> Billy,
>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's 
>> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>> 
>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
>> 
>> John Waldhausen
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>> 
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>> John
>>>> Bainbridge Island
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 18:01:11 2017
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:01:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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References: <2B8A7549-22ED-4D9F-B427-2D0C3687FBC2@gmail.com>
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Hi John,

Lowering the boom decreases heel when the wind is up.  The boat sails best
on its feet.

Rick

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Tue Feb 21 18:15:02 2017
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:15:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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Hi John,

On a windy day you might want to try lowering the boom just to 
experience the difference. It's not so much decreasing the wind speed as 
it is decreasing the pressure - think of it as a lever and you are 
moving the pressure point closer to the fulcrum. Yes you can get 
somewhat the same effect by furling the sail but it is different.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246
(a mini trawler)

On 2/21/2017 5:51 PM, John Waldhausen wrote:
> I know about the pop top. Does one lower the boom just to decrease the wind speed hitting the sail? I have an in mast furling and have always just partially furled the sail as wind speed picks up. Probably a simple question but I have no experience lowering the boom ( on purpose).
>
> John Waldhausen
>
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>> The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.  In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>
>> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
>>
>> John Waldhausen
>> Bainbridge Island
>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.
>>>
>>> Billy,
>>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's
>>> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>>
>>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one.
>>>
>>> John Waldhausen
>>>
>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>>> John
>>>>> Bainbridge Island
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From fennessey at bluewhalebooks.com  Tue Feb 21 19:24:11 2017
From: fennessey at bluewhalebooks.com (Scott Fennessey)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 19:24:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
Message-ID: <016862A6-F1BD-4AC9-9DB8-8D06EBDDAF62@bluewhalebooks.com>

The lower hole in the mast for the boom pin on my boat is, oddly, too far to the left for the pin to fit in (upper one is fine, never fell out). So I've been sailing with the boom all the way down; it rests on the bottom fitting at the mast so that the boom has sufficient clearance over the cabin top. I keep the boat in a slip without access to power and my cordless drill is not up to the task of drilling a bigger hole. 

Am I running the risk of seeing my mainsail, boom, furler and all, fly out the top of the mast in a big gust?  

Scott Fennessey 
Tomato Sloop

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>   4. Boom pin (John Waldhausen)
>   5. Re: Boom pin (Peter Nyberg)
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>   9. Re: Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike (Jay Curry)
>  10. Re: ST1000 installation (Michael Weisner)
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>  19. Re: Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick (Shawn Boles)
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>  22. Re: Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick (Michael Weisner)
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>  24. Re: Boom pin (Rick)
>  25. Re: Boom pin (Mary Lou Troy)
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> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:09 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "Gary" <planegm at yahoo.com>, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
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> 
> Gary:
> 
> Very helpful. I had not considered foam or a combination of foam with fiber
> glass. The purpose of sealing is not for sustained water presence, but to
> prevent temporary splashing from entering the boat until it can be quickly
> and efficiently self bailed out the stern.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary via Rhodes22-list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:15 PM
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
> 
>> Jay, I have enjoyed reading your questions/responses as well as those who
>> have sent you their responses.  All quite interesting.  My reply is a bit
>> of
>> brain storming with reference to waterproofing the under seat water
>> leakage
>> issue.
>> 
>> What about stuffing rags (might rot) or cut up pipe foam insulation
>> longitutanly to act as a barrier to limit how far window weather proofing
>> foam will fall after spraying.  There are 3 types that the big boxes sell.
>> First is foam that expands times 3.  Then foam that expands times 2.  Then
>> the foam that is a one for one expansion.  They are closed cell so
>> waterfroof.  Experience here says if you use the times 3 foam, understand
>> that it keeps expanding for almost 24 hours and has un seated my drywall
>> repair to comical results. So my suggestion is to use times two foam and
>> only let it fill your trough 1/2" deep. Safer yet would be the times one
>> expansion, but then you might miss some areas that could leak.
>> 
>> This suggestion may also work in some capacity under the aft end of the
>> seat
>> where the forward wall of the lazerett breaches are.  The only caveat is
>> that the foam has to be supported, ie Duct tape?  Duct tape will release
>> under the pressure of the expanding foam.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Gary
>> s/v Just Bent
>> '90 Rhodes 22
>> (recycled 2001)
>> Sun City, AZ
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:34 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
> Message-ID: <F16F8F807F424B79A71CF936D069E7EF at Officepc>
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> 
> Brooks. As always, I enjoy your responses. Thanks for the mention of
> venting. I agree, the floor pan is an important part of that. I need to
> consider how to keep that ventilation in place when the seal is not needed.
> I am with you on the other points. Sailing should be fun and easy.
> Emergencies should be short and recoverable. And last, any work you have to
> do should be part of the fun, not forced on you by avoidable problems
> associated with the rigging, sails or boat set up.
> 
> Take care. Keep it easy and thanks
> 
> Jay
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "thebooker" <bridges.brooks at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 8:33 AM
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> We're in very close agreement on the 175.
>> 
>> First, I'm in my 70's and now want my sailing as pain and drama free as
>> possible. With my roller furling 130 jib, roller furling main, motor lift
>> (for my 22 lb Torqeedo - so heavy 22 lb) this goal is 95% achieved.
>> Installing a tiller pilot will bring me to sailing nirvana. I can bike
>> right
>> up to my boat slip in 5 minutes and love getting away from dock as fast as
>> any motor boater.
>> 
>> Second, I sailed with a 175 just enough to know that life for me is too
>> short to be constantly dealing with a sail so big and heavy and that, in
>> my
>> area, can be fully unfurled roughly 10% of the time.
>> 
>> I tried a smaller, non furling jib for one season - from an Etchells 22,
>> 100
>> or 110%. I loved it. The boat went very well upwind and off wind and
>> tacked
>> quickly and easily (I also single hand most of the time). The two things I
>> didn't like were (1) having to stuff it in a deck bag after sailing (bent
>> over for several minutes is a back killer) and (2) in higher winds I had
>> to
>> deal with an overpowered boat or take it down. Even in light winds, the
>> very
>> clean leading edge (just a wire) seemed to give back a lot of the power
>> loss
>> due to smaller area.
>> 
>> Gary Hoyt says the clean leading edge can make a jib 40% more powerful
>> than
>> a main the same area because of turbulence caused by the mast. Doesn't
>> take
>> much imagination to view a partially furled 175 as a sail behind a mast to
>> me. This makes me wonder if my unfurled 100% jib was delivering more like
>> a
>> 175 furled to 130 size. No question that the furled sail reduces
>> effectiveness of unfurled part.
>> 
>> Also, from my brief exposure to aerodynamics I learned that a circular
>> cross
>> section (like a mast or partially furled jib) has 10 times the wind
>> resistance of an airfoil of same thickness.
>> 
>> My compromise was a 130 furling from Stan. Can sail unfurled in higher
>> winds
>> than 175 and, when furled to same area, have a smaller roll at leading
>> edge.
>> I also think the dacron is a bit lighter than 175 and that, combined the
>> smaller sail area makes it quite a bit lighter.  I'm adding thin white,
>> split tubing that just fits around shrouds to reduce friction when
>> tacking.
>> 
>> Previous owner also bought a Univera Power Sail (nylon, roller furling
>> genoa) which I can hook up very quickly. I have jib sheets attached with a
>> soft shackle I made (an interesting project) which lets me quickly switch
>> jib sheets to UPS if I want. Does not point for beans but great for
>> reaches
>> and broad reaches.
>> 
>> *************************************************************
>> 
>> Now, your cockpit. (My Nonsuch 30 was considered unsuitable for blue water
>> almost solely because of  its large, seat-a-crowd cockpit with
>> insufficient
>> drainage.)
>> 
>> I think you should think about ventilation for cabin and rear lazzrerette
>> if
>> you block the underseat openings. I suspect they help keep R22's mildew
>> and
>> mold free.  So, maybe design them to be fairly easily removed when not
>> needed. Or to take one of those 4" diameter circular screw in deck hole
>> thingamabobs (I love nautical talk) Yes!
>> 
>> If you do block them, I agree you need drainage. I'm thinking two, say 4"
>> diameter pipes going through lazzerette on either side, level with cockpit
>> floor, and under seats would dump a lot of water fast. Don't know what
>> material would work best with fiberglass. Thinking more, you may want them
>> nearer the centerline so if knocked down, they don't fill rather than
>> drain
>> the cockpit. In fact, you may want a one-way valve in each - at least a
>> flap
>> on outside.
>> 
>> Safe fun sailing whatever you do!  Keep us posted.
>> 
>> Brooks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Brooks Bridges
>> 1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
>> Cambridge, MD
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> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:45 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID: <611E70171BB24FA088FC17EA0214F050 at Officepc>
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>    reply-type=original
> 
> Shawn: Thanks for the response and support on the drainage.
> 
> To Shawn, Rick and any others considering responding to my comments on the
> 175, please stop. I experimented for two full summers with every conceivable
> combination of reefing, boom position and sheet placement before coming to
> the inescapable conclusion that a different sail was needed for my purposes.
> If you enjoy the 175, more power to you. But, assuming (by the content of
> your response) that my comments on it are a result of inexperience, lack of
> experimentation or laziness is insulting and unnecessary. I do not need an
> education on sail handling.
> 
> I am interested only in the floor pan seal and modification of the storage
> area under rear seats for self bailing. It is NOT an attempt to create a
> blue water boat. But as others on the list note, sailing in blue water near
> shore in this type of boat is common where I live and where others live.
> Sailing the San Juan Islands is and has been done often by other Rhodes
> owners. There is a group sail of small boats in the Islands each year.
> Making this boat more prepared for severe conditions, does not change what
> it is, it just makes it safer and even more capable. I see no harm in
> pursuing it especially if the change improves what it is and does not
> sacrifice structural or sailing capability.
> 
> The possibilities of owner modifications of this boat are part of makes it
> such an attractive pocket cruiser. I am trying to honor that use and
> process. Your help, is appreciated.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:08:29 -0500
> From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <2B8A7549-22ED-4D9F-B427-2D0C3687FBC2 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Dear all,
> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
> John 
> Bainbridge Island
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:20:58 -0500
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>> John 
>> Bainbridge Island
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:40:53 -0500
> From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <78CD6712-B76A-494F-933A-CB8E1AC0A4B3 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
> 
> John Waldhausen
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>> John 
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> __________________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:12:48 +0000 (UTC)
> From: William Scarpitta <tryc96 at ymail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <1905489185.1372023.1487628768696 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Yup. ?it needs a bolt long enough that you can back it up with a locknut inside.Billy Scarpittas/v SandpiperMarinatown, Fort Myers, FL
> 
>      From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
> 
> John Waldhausen
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.? I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.? How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>> John 
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> __________________________________________________
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>>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:11:05 +0000 (UTC)
> From: William Scarpitta <tryc96 at ymail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <70108714.1357516.1487628665376 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hi Billy Scarpitta here, two-year owner of Sandpiper a 1996 R-22 with IMF. ?I had the bolt that goes into the plastic in the boom strip the threads and come out. ?When I took the mast down to replace the main I used a longer bolt and put an aircraft type lock nut on the inside. ?Did the job, but it's only easy if the mast is already down.Marinatown, Fort Myers, FL
> 
>      From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.? I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.? How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>> John 
>> Bainbridge Island
>> __________________________________________________
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>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 14:28:10 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
> Message-ID: <E70E3B8DADA24B25AD39E49279442694 at Officepc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Thanks Gary:
> 
> I assume by cockpit cap top edges that you mean the top edges of the floor 
> pan under the seats.  What has been your experience after sealing with 
> changes in venting the cabin? Here, moss and mold are a constant problem.
> Even the summers are cool with 60 degrees common on the water even 
> in June. In the winter we can go a month or more without seeing the sun.
> Venting is critical. I was thinking about sealing the top edges and putting
> closeable vents in the sides under the seats to allow air flow when
> docked or under sail in good weather.
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary Novotny" <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 12:37 PM
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> I won't comment on the wisdom of enclosing the areas below the cockpit
>> seats, but I sealed the gaps between the hull and the cockpit cap top
>> edges
>> with can foam from home depot. The foam I used did push out the cap a
>> little
>> in a couple of spots so I concur minimally expanding foam is the correct
>> choice for this.
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> Gary J Novotny
>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>> Fort Pierce, FL 34982
>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:57:25 -0500
> From: "Michael Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
> Message-ID: <00f601d28bf6$9e168f60$da43ae20$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Not yet!  I opened up the boat and measured where I want the ST1000 to be affixed (based on the experience of others in the archives). I verified that the throw looks about right and started running the electrical connections.  I had to stop and cover the boat to spend some time with my oldest daughter who thought that the long weekend and great weather was a good excuse to visit.  No complaints here but my planned projects are back on hold until the next warm weekend.  As long as it is done before May 1st I will be happy.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:53:56 +0000
> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <05c4a85d91e44afb92d4e86bd9d05830 at MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
> 
> Billy,
> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
> 
> John Waldhausen
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>> John
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> __________________________________________________
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>>> 
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>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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>> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:05:31 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID:
>    <CABkv36ZWvpzJaC9fT2tzHC+ezYDF5RhN=8peLbCHORfE2JWaBQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Jay,
> 
> Why are you upset when you are corrected for putting forth alternative
> facts about the boat and sails?  And others sailing the boat where it
> doesn't belong shouldn't be motivation for you to follow.
> 
> Reducing the volume of water the cockpit can hold before it drains into the
> cabin and lazaret will not prepare you for severe conditions.  There is no
> bridge deck and the lazaret does not drain.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 07:39:56 -0800
> From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <72EC9D25-5347-4D10-AF75-3A7247683E9C at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
> 
> John Waldhausen
> Bainbridge Island
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
>> 
>> Billy,
>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>> 
>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
>> 
>> John Waldhausen
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>> 
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>> John
>>>> Bainbridge Island
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
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>> __________________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 15:59:03 +0000
> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <7d8a5b03f048426c9995a38c12216dce at MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.  In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
> 
> John Waldhausen
> Bainbridge Island
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
>> 
>> Billy,
>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's 
>> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>> 
>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
>> 
>> John Waldhausen
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>> 
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>> John
>>>> Bainbridge Island
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 09:47:27 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID: <D286150D03834A388C399A17E539F40A at Officepc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Not upset at all. Just attempting to filter out the useless noise of those
> who fail to grasp (deliberately so I think) the scope and intent of my
> purpose and idea. Asking questions is often a difficult and painful process.
> The reasons for asking them are often attacked by those who disagree or are
> in some way challenged by them. A respectful person would take the time and
> put in the effort to understand that the answers I seek could mean I am
> wrong. I am open to it. You should be as well.
> 
> Passing on to me comments about basic sail or boat handling even a brand new
> sailor would know are not respectful or in any way helpful. Quite the
> opposite. Assuming I am ignoring the purpose and capabilities of the boat
> are equally so. Safety has always been the first consideration. Cold water
> sailors often do not get second chances.
> 
> Your comment below proves you have not fully considered my idea or
> explanations and are not even willing  give me credit for having enough
> sense to even ask questions.. I see no point in trying to convince you other
> wise.
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:05 AM
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> Why are you upset when you are corrected for putting forth alternative
>> facts about the boat and sails?  And others sailing the boat where it
>> doesn't belong shouldn't be motivation for you to follow.
>> 
>> Reducing the volume of water the cockpit can hold before it drains into
>> the
>> cabin and lazaret will not prepare you for severe conditions.  There is no
>> bridge deck and the lazaret does not drain.
>> 
>> Rick
>> __________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:04:42 -0700 (MST)
> From: thebooker <bridges.brooks at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID: <1487700282047-52858.post at n5.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Well, I suspect it'll be a long time before Jay disturbs your peace again and
> that's a pity. It would have been interesting to hear what he does. 
> 
> Jay is obviously a very experienced, knowledgeable sailor. He's found
> something he prefers to a 175 and given excellent reasons. He asked about
> making a change to boat cockpit; not about his sail choice. Nevertheless,
> the 175 proponents felt compelled to point out his heresy.
> 
> Let it go, please. There's enough going on in the world raising my BP; I
> come here to get away from that.
> 
> Brooks Bridges
> Choptank River, Cambridge MD
> "Changes"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Brooks Bridges
> 1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
> Cambridge, MD
> --
> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Cockpit-Waterproofing-tp52824p52858.html
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:11:26 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID:
>    <CABkv36bA-LR1cWc-3UyDSe5s71QQ77ThJbmCaVW9vrnCFKYPSQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Jay,
> 
> This is a public forum for people with a wide range of experience with the
> boat.  When you say something basically incorrect, then a basic explanation
> of the correction is needed for all.
> 
> Don't assume I haven't considered your idea because I disagree with it.
> And if you go through with it without testing, I'm convinced you will get
> very cold.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:29:56 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID: <1BDDC09E1F2042E6B73FD8EBFAF1CC9A at Officepc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Rick
> 
> I knew this was going to happen. I should have known better. I got bullied
> last time over this. Yes, a public forum, but one with a very aggressive,
> dismissive mechanism for shutting down any discussion contrary to the boats
> advertised features.
> 
> Your comments on my idea betray your intent and make it clear you do not
> understand and arrogantly assume I am incorrect because I disagree with you.
> 
> ...............................
> 
> To those of you that provided some useful feedback, thanks you so much.
> 
> I will be exiting this list. It is abundantly clear that Rick will
> aggressively dismiss ANY idea that he does not agree with and  block in
> every way possible any attempt I make to do so.
> 
> I do not need this in my life.
> 
> I will continue to pursue the idea. Those of you that have my email address
> are welcome to check in. I would enjoy hearing from you. If it works out, I
> will post pictures somehow. I am sure they would not be allowed on the list.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:11 AM
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> This is a public forum for people with a wide range of experience with the
>> boat.  When you say something basically incorrect, then a basic
>> explanation
>> of the correction is needed for all.
>> 
>> Don't assume I haven't considered your idea because I disagree with it.
>> And if you go through with it without testing, I'm convinced you will get
>> very cold.
>> 
>> Rick
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:37:06 -0800
> From: Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID:
>    <CAMzGxuOBYcTTdC0y6ZTpxCmVDx29_dsmri400CZ2wx4ufn6iQA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Jay:
> 
> I'm sure you're much more able sailor than I will ever be. That said, I was
> just trying to provide the perspective of an old guy who uses the R22 in a
> sometimes windy lake setting. I hope you will reconsider your decision
> about participating in the list. With respect to the 175, horses for
> courses say I.
> 
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
> 
> 
> On Feb 21, 2017 10:30 AM, "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com> wrote:
> 
> Rick
> 
> I knew this was going to happen. I should have known better. I got bullied
> last time over this. Yes, a public forum, but one with a very aggressive,
> dismissive mechanism for shutting down any discussion contrary to the boats
> advertised features.
> 
> Your comments on my idea betray your intent and make it clear you do not
> understand and arrogantly assume I am incorrect because I disagree with you.
> 
> ...............................
> 
> To those of you that provided some useful feedback, thanks you so much.
> 
> I will be exiting this list. It is abundantly clear that Rick will
> aggressively dismiss ANY idea that he does not agree with and  block in
> every way possible any attempt I make to do so.
> 
> I do not need this in my life.
> 
> I will continue to pursue the idea. Those of you that have my email address
> are welcome to check in. I would enjoy hearing from you. If it works out, I
> will post pictures somehow. I am sure they would not be allowed on the list.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:11 AM
> 
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> 
> Jay,
>> 
>> This is a public forum for people with a wide range of experience with the
>> boat.  When you say something basically incorrect, then a basic
>> explanation
>> of the correction is needed for all.
>> 
>> Don't assume I haven't considered your idea because I disagree with it.
>> And if you go through with it without testing, I'm convinced you will get
>> very cold.
>> 
>> Rick
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go
>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
>> 
>> 
> __________________________________________________
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> n/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:06:01 -0500
> From: "Michael Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID: <019901d28c75$8c0a6740$a41f35c0$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Jay,
> 
> Any of your contributions will be welcome on the list as long as I am
> responsible the list.  Your thoughts, and those of others, are all welcome.
> The intent was originally to mimic an atmosphere of a sailor's watering
> hole.  Some will always attempt to speak louder than others.  I simply ask
> that we not "bully" others.  Forcing someone to exit the list is certainly
> not a desired behavior.
> 
> You are definitely right that others have been overly critical of your
> ideas, some going so far as to say that you are "incorrect" if you do not
> agree with them.  This, unfortunately, occurs much of the time in a forum
> where everyone is an "expert" and offers their comments in an effort to
> "convert" those who have reached a different conclusion.  I can only ask
> that we think a bit more before clicking the "send" button.
> 
> If you choose to leave, may you experience fair winds and following seas and
> non-flooded cockpits.  If, as I hope, you will decide to regularly publish
> your ideas, I can assure you that I have no intent to censure or stifle your
> posts.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 12:17:10 -0700 (MST)
> From: thebooker <bridges.brooks at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID:
>    <CAAt7pxQkBRqdKy1Xa54U9h9aQKPm6ocmXCJmWP5J82UfypC3mw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Nicely said Mike.
> 
> Jay's left the list so I'll forward this to him.
> 
> Brooks
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:06 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com [via Rhodes 22] <
> ml-node+s1065344n52863h70 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> Any of your contributions will be welcome on the list as long as I am
>> responsible the list.  Your thoughts, and those of others, are all
>> welcome.
>> The intent was originally to mimic an atmosphere of a sailor's watering
>> hole.  Some will always attempt to speak louder than others.  I simply ask
>> that we not "bully" others.  Forcing someone to exit the list is certainly
>> not a desired behavior.
>> 
>> You are definitely right that others have been overly critical of your
>> ideas, some going so far as to say that you are "incorrect" if you do not
>> agree with them.  This, unfortunately, occurs much of the time in a forum
>> where everyone is an "expert" and offers their comments in an effort to
>> "convert" those who have reached a different conclusion.  I can only ask
>> that we think a bit more before clicking the "send" button.
>> 
>> If you choose to leave, may you experience fair winds and following seas
>> and
>> non-flooded cockpits.  If, as I hope, you will decide to regularly publish
>> your ideas, I can assure you that I have no intent to censure or stifle
>> your
>> posts.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
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> -----
> Brooks Bridges
> 1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
> Cambridge, MD
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:19:31 -0500
> From: "Michael Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID: <01a401d28c77$6eb0e7d0$4c12b770$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> I already have.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> thebooker
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:17 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> 
> Nicely said Mike.
> 
> Jay's left the list so I'll forward this to him.
> 
> Brooks
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:06 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com [via Rhodes 22] <
> ml-node+s1065344n52863h70 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> Any of your contributions will be welcome on the list as long as I am 
>> responsible the list.  Your thoughts, and those of others, are all 
>> welcome.
>> The intent was originally to mimic an atmosphere of a sailor's 
>> watering hole.  Some will always attempt to speak louder than others.  
>> I simply ask that we not "bully" others.  Forcing someone to exit the 
>> list is certainly not a desired behavior.
>> 
>> You are definitely right that others have been overly critical of your 
>> ideas, some going so far as to say that you are "incorrect" if you do 
>> not agree with them.  This, unfortunately, occurs much of the time in 
>> a forum where everyone is an "expert" and offers their comments in an 
>> effort to "convert" those who have reached a different conclusion.  I 
>> can only ask that we think a bit more before clicking the "send" button.
>> 
>> If you choose to leave, may you experience fair winds and following 
>> seas and non-flooded cockpits.  If, as I hope, you will decide to 
>> regularly publish your ideas, I can assure you that I have no intent 
>> to censure or stifle your posts.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:51:43 -0800
> From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <4BB6560D-9652-47C4-9746-FF82866E60D9 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> I know about the pop top. Does one lower the boom just to decrease the wind speed hitting the sail? I have an in mast furling and have always just partially furled the sail as wind speed picks up. Probably a simple question but I have no experience lowering the boom ( on purpose).
> 
> John Waldhausen
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.  In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>> 
>> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
>> 
>> John Waldhausen
>> Bainbridge Island
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
>>> 
>>> Billy,
>>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's 
>>> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>> 
>>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
>>> 
>>> John Waldhausen
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>>> John
>>>>> Bainbridge Island
>>>>> __________________________________________________
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:01:11 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Lowering the boom decreases heel when the wind is up.  The boat sails best
> on its feet.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 25
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:15:02 -0500
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <4d35c011-3624-f8d4-c323-61574a3d2772 at atlanticbb.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> On a windy day you might want to try lowering the boom just to 
> experience the difference. It's not so much decreasing the wind speed as 
> it is decreasing the pressure - think of it as a lever and you are 
> moving the pressure point closer to the fulcrum. Yes you can get 
> somewhat the same effect by furling the sail but it is different.
> 
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246
> (a mini trawler)
> 
>> On 2/21/2017 5:51 PM, John Waldhausen wrote:
>> I know about the pop top. Does one lower the boom just to decrease the wind speed hitting the sail? I have an in mast furling and have always just partially furled the sail as wind speed picks up. Probably a simple question but I have no experience lowering the boom ( on purpose).
>> 
>> John Waldhausen
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.  In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>> 
>>> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
>>> 
>>> John Waldhausen
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.
>>>> 
>>>> Billy,
>>>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's
>>>> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>>> 
>>>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one.
>>>> 
>>>> John Waldhausen
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> Bainbridge Island
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 21 21:05:56 2017
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 21:05:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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Mary Lou is spot on.  It's the fulcrum effect by putting the pressure lower
on the mast.

Mary Lou, glad to see you're still on the list.  With weather like we're
having now, your new trawler should be in the water!

Hank

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 6:15 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> On a windy day you might want to try lowering the boom just to experience
> the difference. It's not so much decreasing the wind speed as it is
> decreasing the pressure - think of it as a lever and you are moving the
> pressure point closer to the fulcrum. Yes you can get somewhat the same
> effect by furling the sail but it is different.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246
> (a mini trawler)
>
>
> On 2/21/2017 5:51 PM, John Waldhausen wrote:
>
>> I know about the pop top. Does one lower the boom just to decrease the
>> wind speed hitting the sail? I have an in mast furling and have always just
>> partially furled the sail as wind speed picks up. Probably a simple
>> question but I have no experience lowering the boom ( on purpose).
>>
>> John Waldhausen
>>
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>> The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response
>>> to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin
>>> clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.
>>> In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has
>>> its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can
>>> drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and
>>> thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>>
>>> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I
>>> assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
>>>
>>> John Waldhausen
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the
>>>> mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.
>>>>
>>>> Billy,
>>>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's
>>>> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>>>
>>>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by
>>>> about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to
>>>> change it for a longer one.
>>>>
>>>> John Waldhausen
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I
>>>>> was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after
>>>>> being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at
>>>>> the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have
>>>>> a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin
>>>>>> that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom
>>>>>> to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the
>>>>>> way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind
>>>>>> its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin
>>>>>> locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is
>>>>>> considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this
>>>>>> issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> Bainbridge Island
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Feb 22 08:10:36 2017
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 13:10:36 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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Scott,
Sailing with the boom in the upper position is not a risk.  As suggested, in a blow you'll just find yourself heeling over more.  - rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Scott Fennessey
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:24 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin

The lower hole in the mast for the boom pin on my boat is, oddly, too far to the left for the pin to fit in (upper one is fine, never fell out). So I've been sailing with the boom all the way down; it rests on the bottom fitting at the mast so that the boom has sufficient clearance over the cabin top. I keep the boat in a slip without access to power and my cordless drill is not up to the task of drilling a bigger hole. 

Am I running the risk of seeing my mainsail, boom, furler and all, fly out the top of the mast in a big gust?  

Scott Fennessey 
Tomato Sloop

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>   4. Boom pin (John Waldhausen)
>   5. Re: Boom pin (Peter Nyberg)
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>  19. Re: Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick (Shawn Boles)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:09 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "Gary" <planegm at yahoo.com>, "The Rhodes 22 Email List"
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
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> Gary:
> 
> Very helpful. I had not considered foam or a combination of foam with fiber
> glass. The purpose of sealing is not for sustained water presence, but to
> prevent temporary splashing from entering the boat until it can be quickly
> and efficiently self bailed out the stern.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary via Rhodes22-list" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2017 3:15 PM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
> 
>> Jay, I have enjoyed reading your questions/responses as well as those who
>> have sent you their responses.  All quite interesting.  My reply is a bit
>> of
>> brain storming with reference to waterproofing the under seat water
>> leakage
>> issue.
>> 
>> What about stuffing rags (might rot) or cut up pipe foam insulation
>> longitutanly to act as a barrier to limit how far window weather proofing
>> foam will fall after spraying.  There are 3 types that the big boxes sell.
>> First is foam that expands times 3.  Then foam that expands times 2.  Then
>> the foam that is a one for one expansion.  They are closed cell so
>> waterfroof.  Experience here says if you use the times 3 foam, understand
>> that it keeps expanding for almost 24 hours and has un seated my drywall
>> repair to comical results. So my suggestion is to use times two foam and
>> only let it fill your trough 1/2" deep. Safer yet would be the times one
>> expansion, but then you might miss some areas that could leak.
>> 
>> This suggestion may also work in some capacity under the aft end of the
>> seat
>> where the forward wall of the lazerett breaches are.  The only caveat is
>> that the foam has to be supported, ie Duct tape?  Duct tape will release
>> under the pressure of the expanding foam.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Gary
>> s/v Just Bent
>> '90 Rhodes 22
>> (recycled 2001)
>> Sun City, AZ
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> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:34 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
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> Brooks. As always, I enjoy your responses. Thanks for the mention of
> venting. I agree, the floor pan is an important part of that. I need to
> consider how to keep that ventilation in place when the seal is not needed.
> I am with you on the other points. Sailing should be fun and easy.
> Emergencies should be short and recoverable. And last, any work you have to
> do should be part of the fun, not forced on you by avoidable problems
> associated with the rigging, sails or boat set up.
> 
> Take care. Keep it easy and thanks
> 
> Jay
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "thebooker" <bridges.brooks at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 8:33 AM
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> We're in very close agreement on the 175.
>> 
>> First, I'm in my 70's and now want my sailing as pain and drama free as
>> possible. With my roller furling 130 jib, roller furling main, motor lift
>> (for my 22 lb Torqeedo - so heavy 22 lb) this goal is 95% achieved.
>> Installing a tiller pilot will bring me to sailing nirvana. I can bike
>> right
>> up to my boat slip in 5 minutes and love getting away from dock as fast as
>> any motor boater.
>> 
>> Second, I sailed with a 175 just enough to know that life for me is too
>> short to be constantly dealing with a sail so big and heavy and that, in
>> my
>> area, can be fully unfurled roughly 10% of the time.
>> 
>> I tried a smaller, non furling jib for one season - from an Etchells 22,
>> 100
>> or 110%. I loved it. The boat went very well upwind and off wind and
>> tacked
>> quickly and easily (I also single hand most of the time). The two things I
>> didn't like were (1) having to stuff it in a deck bag after sailing (bent
>> over for several minutes is a back killer) and (2) in higher winds I had
>> to
>> deal with an overpowered boat or take it down. Even in light winds, the
>> very
>> clean leading edge (just a wire) seemed to give back a lot of the power
>> loss
>> due to smaller area.
>> 
>> Gary Hoyt says the clean leading edge can make a jib 40% more powerful
>> than
>> a main the same area because of turbulence caused by the mast. Doesn't
>> take
>> much imagination to view a partially furled 175 as a sail behind a mast to
>> me. This makes me wonder if my unfurled 100% jib was delivering more like
>> a
>> 175 furled to 130 size. No question that the furled sail reduces
>> effectiveness of unfurled part.
>> 
>> Also, from my brief exposure to aerodynamics I learned that a circular
>> cross
>> section (like a mast or partially furled jib) has 10 times the wind
>> resistance of an airfoil of same thickness.
>> 
>> My compromise was a 130 furling from Stan. Can sail unfurled in higher
>> winds
>> than 175 and, when furled to same area, have a smaller roll at leading
>> edge.
>> I also think the dacron is a bit lighter than 175 and that, combined the
>> smaller sail area makes it quite a bit lighter.  I'm adding thin white,
>> split tubing that just fits around shrouds to reduce friction when
>> tacking.
>> 
>> Previous owner also bought a Univera Power Sail (nylon, roller furling
>> genoa) which I can hook up very quickly. I have jib sheets attached with a
>> soft shackle I made (an interesting project) which lets me quickly switch
>> jib sheets to UPS if I want. Does not point for beans but great for
>> reaches
>> and broad reaches.
>> 
>> *************************************************************
>> 
>> Now, your cockpit. (My Nonsuch 30 was considered unsuitable for blue water
>> almost solely because of  its large, seat-a-crowd cockpit with
>> insufficient
>> drainage.)
>> 
>> I think you should think about ventilation for cabin and rear lazzrerette
>> if
>> you block the underseat openings. I suspect they help keep R22's mildew
>> and
>> mold free.  So, maybe design them to be fairly easily removed when not
>> needed. Or to take one of those 4" diameter circular screw in deck hole
>> thingamabobs (I love nautical talk) Yes!
>> 
>> If you do block them, I agree you need drainage. I'm thinking two, say 4"
>> diameter pipes going through lazzerette on either side, level with cockpit
>> floor, and under seats would dump a lot of water fast. Don't know what
>> material would work best with fiberglass. Thinking more, you may want them
>> nearer the centerline so if knocked down, they don't fill rather than
>> drain
>> the cockpit. In fact, you may want a one-way valve in each - at least a
>> flap
>> on outside.
>> 
>> Safe fun sailing whatever you do!  Keep us posted.
>> 
>> Brooks
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
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>> Cambridge, MD
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> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 12:42:45 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
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> Shawn: Thanks for the response and support on the drainage.
> 
> To Shawn, Rick and any others considering responding to my comments on the
> 175, please stop. I experimented for two full summers with every conceivable
> combination of reefing, boom position and sheet placement before coming to
> the inescapable conclusion that a different sail was needed for my purposes.
> If you enjoy the 175, more power to you. But, assuming (by the content of
> your response) that my comments on it are a result of inexperience, lack of
> experimentation or laziness is insulting and unnecessary. I do not need an
> education on sail handling.
> 
> I am interested only in the floor pan seal and modification of the storage
> area under rear seats for self bailing. It is NOT an attempt to create a
> blue water boat. But as others on the list note, sailing in blue water near
> shore in this type of boat is common where I live and where others live.
> Sailing the San Juan Islands is and has been done often by other Rhodes
> owners. There is a group sail of small boats in the Islands each year.
> Making this boat more prepared for severe conditions, does not change what
> it is, it just makes it safer and even more capable. I see no harm in
> pursuing it especially if the change improves what it is and does not
> sacrifice structural or sailing capability.
> 
> The possibilities of owner modifications of this boat are part of makes it
> such an attractive pocket cruiser. I am trying to honor that use and
> process. Your help, is appreciated.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:08:29 -0500
> From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <2B8A7549-22ED-4D9F-B427-2D0C3687FBC2 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=us-ascii
> 
> Dear all,
> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
> John 
> Bainbridge Island
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:20:58 -0500
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <09187103-EF0F-4E1B-AEC3-2AF22E2B6308 at sunnybeeches.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>> John 
>> Bainbridge Island
>> __________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 16:40:53 -0500
> From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <78CD6712-B76A-494F-933A-CB8E1AC0A4B3 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
> 
> John Waldhausen
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>> John 
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> __________________________________________________
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>>> 
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>> 
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:12:48 +0000 (UTC)
> From: William Scarpitta <tryc96 at ymail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <1905489185.1372023.1487628768696 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Yup. ?it needs a bolt long enough that you can back it up with a locknut inside.Billy Scarpittas/v SandpiperMarinatown, Fort Myers, FL
> 
>      From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
> 
> John Waldhausen
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.? I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.? How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>> John 
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
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>> 
>> __________________________________________________
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> __________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:11:05 +0000 (UTC)
> From: William Scarpitta <tryc96 at ymail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <70108714.1357516.1487628665376 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hi Billy Scarpitta here, two-year owner of Sandpiper a 1996 R-22 with IMF. ?I had the bolt that goes into the plastic in the boom strip the threads and come out. ?When I took the mast down to replace the main I used a longer bolt and put an aircraft type lock nut on the inside. ?Did the job, but it's only easy if the mast is already down.Marinatown, Fort Myers, FL
> 
>      From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.? I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.? How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear all,
>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>> John 
>> Bainbridge Island
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>> 
>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>> __________________________________________________
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 14:28:10 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
> Message-ID: <E70E3B8DADA24B25AD39E49279442694 at Officepc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Thanks Gary:
> 
> I assume by cockpit cap top edges that you mean the top edges of the floor 
> pan under the seats.  What has been your experience after sealing with 
> changes in venting the cabin? Here, moss and mold are a constant problem.
> Even the summers are cool with 60 degrees common on the water even 
> in June. In the winter we can go a month or more without seeing the sun.
> Venting is critical. I was thinking about sealing the top edges and putting
> closeable vents in the sides under the seats to allow air flow when
> docked or under sail in good weather.
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Gary Novotny" <gjnovotny at comcast.net>
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 12:37 PM
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Mike
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> I won't comment on the wisdom of enclosing the areas below the cockpit
>> seats, but I sealed the gaps between the hull and the cockpit cap top
>> edges
>> with can foam from home depot. The foam I used did push out the cap a
>> little
>> in a couple of spots so I concur minimally expanding foam is the correct
>> choice for this.
>> 
>> Gary
>> 
>> Gary J Novotny
>> 7309 S Indian River Drive
>> Fort Pierce, FL 34982
>> gjnovotny at comcast.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2017 22:57:25 -0500
> From: "Michael Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ST1000 installation
> Message-ID: <00f601d28bf6$9e168f60$da43ae20$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Not yet!  I opened up the boat and measured where I want the ST1000 to be affixed (based on the experience of others in the archives). I verified that the throw looks about right and started running the electrical connections.  I had to stop and cover the boat to spend some time with my oldest daughter who thought that the long weekend and great weather was a good excuse to visit.  No complaints here but my planned projects are back on hold until the next warm weekend.  As long as it is done before May 1st I will be happy.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:53:56 +0000
> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <05c4a85d91e44afb92d4e86bd9d05830 at MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
> 
> Billy,
> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
> 
> John Waldhausen
> 
>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>> John
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>> 
>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>>> __________________________________________________
>> 
>> __________________________________________________
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> __________________________________________________
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:05:31 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID:
>    <CABkv36ZWvpzJaC9fT2tzHC+ezYDF5RhN=8peLbCHORfE2JWaBQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Jay,
> 
> Why are you upset when you are corrected for putting forth alternative
> facts about the boat and sails?  And others sailing the boat where it
> doesn't belong shouldn't be motivation for you to follow.
> 
> Reducing the volume of water the cockpit can hold before it drains into the
> cabin and lazaret will not prepare you for severe conditions.  There is no
> bridge deck and the lazaret does not drain.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 07:39:56 -0800
> From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <72EC9D25-5347-4D10-AF75-3A7247683E9C at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
> 
> John Waldhausen
> Bainbridge Island
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
>> 
>> Billy,
>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>> 
>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
>> 
>> John Waldhausen
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>> 
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>> John
>>>> Bainbridge Island
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to 
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
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>>> 
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>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
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>> __________________________________________________
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 15:59:03 +0000
> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <7d8a5b03f048426c9995a38c12216dce at MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.  In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> 
> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
> 
> John Waldhausen
> Bainbridge Island
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
>> 
>> Billy,
>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's 
>> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>> 
>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
>> 
>> John Waldhausen
>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>> 
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>> John
>>>> Bainbridge Island
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and 
>>>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list 
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> __________________________________________________
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> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 09:47:27 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID: <D286150D03834A388C399A17E539F40A at Officepc>
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> Not upset at all. Just attempting to filter out the useless noise of those
> who fail to grasp (deliberately so I think) the scope and intent of my
> purpose and idea. Asking questions is often a difficult and painful process.
> The reasons for asking them are often attacked by those who disagree or are
> in some way challenged by them. A respectful person would take the time and
> put in the effort to understand that the answers I seek could mean I am
> wrong. I am open to it. You should be as well.
> 
> Passing on to me comments about basic sail or boat handling even a brand new
> sailor would know are not respectful or in any way helpful. Quite the
> opposite. Assuming I am ignoring the purpose and capabilities of the boat
> are equally so. Safety has always been the first consideration. Cold water
> sailors often do not get second chances.
> 
> Your comment below proves you have not fully considered my idea or
> explanations and are not even willing  give me credit for having enough
> sense to even ask questions.. I see no point in trying to convince you other
> wise.
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 7:05 AM
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> Why are you upset when you are corrected for putting forth alternative
>> facts about the boat and sails?  And others sailing the boat where it
>> doesn't belong shouldn't be motivation for you to follow.
>> 
>> Reducing the volume of water the cockpit can hold before it drains into
>> the
>> cabin and lazaret will not prepare you for severe conditions.  There is no
>> bridge deck and the lazaret does not drain.
>> 
>> Rick
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 11:04:42 -0700 (MST)
> From: thebooker <bridges.brooks at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID: <1487700282047-52858.post at n5.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Well, I suspect it'll be a long time before Jay disturbs your peace again and
> that's a pity. It would have been interesting to hear what he does. 
> 
> Jay is obviously a very experienced, knowledgeable sailor. He's found
> something he prefers to a 175 and given excellent reasons. He asked about
> making a change to boat cockpit; not about his sail choice. Nevertheless,
> the 175 proponents felt compelled to point out his heresy.
> 
> Let it go, please. There's enough going on in the world raising my BP; I
> come here to get away from that.
> 
> Brooks Bridges
> Choptank River, Cambridge MD
> "Changes"
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 13:11:26 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID:
>    <CABkv36bA-LR1cWc-3UyDSe5s71QQ77ThJbmCaVW9vrnCFKYPSQ at mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> Jay,
> 
> This is a public forum for people with a wide range of experience with the
> boat.  When you say something basically incorrect, then a basic explanation
> of the correction is needed for all.
> 
> Don't assume I haven't considered your idea because I disagree with it.
> And if you go through with it without testing, I'm convinced you will get
> very cold.
> 
> Rick
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:29:56 -0800
> From: "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com>
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID: <1BDDC09E1F2042E6B73FD8EBFAF1CC9A at Officepc>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>    reply-type=original
> 
> Rick
> 
> I knew this was going to happen. I should have known better. I got bullied
> last time over this. Yes, a public forum, but one with a very aggressive,
> dismissive mechanism for shutting down any discussion contrary to the boats
> advertised features.
> 
> Your comments on my idea betray your intent and make it clear you do not
> understand and arrogantly assume I am incorrect because I disagree with you.
> 
> ...............................
> 
> To those of you that provided some useful feedback, thanks you so much.
> 
> I will be exiting this list. It is abundantly clear that Rick will
> aggressively dismiss ANY idea that he does not agree with and  block in
> every way possible any attempt I make to do so.
> 
> I do not need this in my life.
> 
> I will continue to pursue the idea. Those of you that have my email address
> are welcome to check in. I would enjoy hearing from you. If it works out, I
> will post pictures somehow. I am sure they would not be allowed on the list.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:11 AM
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> This is a public forum for people with a wide range of experience with the
>> boat.  When you say something basically incorrect, then a basic
>> explanation
>> of the correction is needed for all.
>> 
>> Don't assume I haven't considered your idea because I disagree with it.
>> And if you go through with it without testing, I'm convinced you will get
>> very cold.
>> 
>> Rick
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 10:37:06 -0800
> From: Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID:
>    <CAMzGxuOBYcTTdC0y6ZTpxCmVDx29_dsmri400CZ2wx4ufn6iQA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Jay:
> 
> I'm sure you're much more able sailor than I will ever be. That said, I was
> just trying to provide the perspective of an old guy who uses the R22 in a
> sometimes windy lake setting. I hope you will reconsider your decision
> about participating in the list. With respect to the 175, horses for
> courses say I.
> 
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
> 
> 
> On Feb 21, 2017 10:30 AM, "Jay Curry" <jac2 at wavecable.com> wrote:
> 
> Rick
> 
> I knew this was going to happen. I should have known better. I got bullied
> last time over this. Yes, a public forum, but one with a very aggressive,
> dismissive mechanism for shutting down any discussion contrary to the boats
> advertised features.
> 
> Your comments on my idea betray your intent and make it clear you do not
> understand and arrogantly assume I am incorrect because I disagree with you.
> 
> ...............................
> 
> To those of you that provided some useful feedback, thanks you so much.
> 
> I will be exiting this list. It is abundantly clear that Rick will
> aggressively dismiss ANY idea that he does not agree with and  block in
> every way possible any attempt I make to do so.
> 
> I do not need this in my life.
> 
> I will continue to pursue the idea. Those of you that have my email address
> are welcome to check in. I would enjoy hearing from you. If it works out, I
> will post pictures somehow. I am sure they would not be allowed on the list.
> 
> Jay
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Rick" <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:11 AM
> 
> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> 
> Jay,
>> 
>> This is a public forum for people with a wide range of experience with the
>> boat.  When you say something basically incorrect, then a basic
>> explanation
>> of the correction is needed for all.
>> 
>> Don't assume I haven't considered your idea because I disagree with it.
>> And if you go through with it without testing, I'm convinced you will get
>> very cold.
>> 
>> Rick
>> __________________________________________________
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>> 
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:06:01 -0500
> From: "Michael Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID: <019901d28c75$8c0a6740$a41f35c0$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Jay,
> 
> Any of your contributions will be welcome on the list as long as I am
> responsible the list.  Your thoughts, and those of others, are all welcome.
> The intent was originally to mimic an atmosphere of a sailor's watering
> hole.  Some will always attempt to speak louder than others.  I simply ask
> that we not "bully" others.  Forcing someone to exit the list is certainly
> not a desired behavior.
> 
> You are definitely right that others have been overly critical of your
> ideas, some going so far as to say that you are "incorrect" if you do not
> agree with them.  This, unfortunately, occurs much of the time in a forum
> where everyone is an "expert" and offers their comments in an effort to
> "convert" those who have reached a different conclusion.  I can only ask
> that we think a bit more before clicking the "send" button.
> 
> If you choose to leave, may you experience fair winds and following seas and
> non-flooded cockpits.  If, as I hope, you will decide to regularly publish
> your ideas, I can assure you that I have no intent to censure or stifle your
> posts.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 12:17:10 -0700 (MST)
> From: thebooker <bridges.brooks at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> Message-ID:
>    <CAAt7pxQkBRqdKy1Xa54U9h9aQKPm6ocmXCJmWP5J82UfypC3mw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Nicely said Mike.
> 
> Jay's left the list so I'll forward this to him.
> 
> Brooks
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:06 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com [via Rhodes 22] <
> ml-node+s1065344n52863h70 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> Any of your contributions will be welcome on the list as long as I am
>> responsible the list.  Your thoughts, and those of others, are all
>> welcome.
>> The intent was originally to mimic an atmosphere of a sailor's watering
>> hole.  Some will always attempt to speak louder than others.  I simply ask
>> that we not "bully" others.  Forcing someone to exit the list is certainly
>> not a desired behavior.
>> 
>> You are definitely right that others have been overly critical of your
>> ideas, some going so far as to say that you are "incorrect" if you do not
>> agree with them.  This, unfortunately, occurs much of the time in a forum
>> where everyone is an "expert" and offers their comments in an effort to
>> "convert" those who have reached a different conclusion.  I can only ask
>> that we think a bit more before clicking the "send" button.
>> 
>> If you choose to leave, may you experience fair winds and following seas
>> and
>> non-flooded cockpits.  If, as I hope, you will decide to regularly publish
>> your ideas, I can assure you that I have no intent to censure or stifle
>> your
>> posts.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:19:31 -0500
> From: "Michael Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
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> 
> I already have.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> thebooker
> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 2:17 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing response to Rick
> 
> Nicely said Mike.
> 
> Jay's left the list so I'll forward this to him.
> 
> Brooks
> 
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:06 PM, mweisner at ebsmed.com [via Rhodes 22] <
> ml-node+s1065344n52863h70 at n5.nabble.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jay,
>> 
>> Any of your contributions will be welcome on the list as long as I am 
>> responsible the list.  Your thoughts, and those of others, are all 
>> welcome.
>> The intent was originally to mimic an atmosphere of a sailor's 
>> watering hole.  Some will always attempt to speak louder than others.  
>> I simply ask that we not "bully" others.  Forcing someone to exit the 
>> list is certainly not a desired behavior.
>> 
>> You are definitely right that others have been overly critical of your 
>> ideas, some going so far as to say that you are "incorrect" if you do 
>> not agree with them.  This, unfortunately, occurs much of the time in 
>> a forum where everyone is an "expert" and offers their comments in an 
>> effort to "convert" those who have reached a different conclusion.  I 
>> can only ask that we think a bit more before clicking the "send" button.
>> 
>> If you choose to leave, may you experience fair winds and following 
>> seas and non-flooded cockpits.  If, as I hope, you will decide to 
>> regularly publish your ideas, I can assure you that I have no intent 
>> to censure or stifle your posts.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 23
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 14:51:43 -0800
> From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
> Message-ID: <4BB6560D-9652-47C4-9746-FF82866E60D9 at gmail.com>
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> 
> I know about the pop top. Does one lower the boom just to decrease the wind speed hitting the sail? I have an in mast furling and have always just partially furled the sail as wind speed picks up. Probably a simple question but I have no experience lowering the boom ( on purpose).
> 
> John Waldhausen
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.  In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>> 
>> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
>> 
>> John Waldhausen
>> Bainbridge Island
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.  
>>> 
>>> Billy,
>>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's 
>>> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>> 
>>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one. 
>>> 
>>> John Waldhausen
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>>> John
>>>>> Bainbridge Island
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> Message: 24
> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:01:11 -0500
> From: Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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> Hi John,
> 
> Lowering the boom decreases heel when the wind is up.  The boat sails best
> on its feet.
> 
> Rick
> 
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> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2017 18:15:02 -0500
> From: Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
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> Hi John,
> 
> On a windy day you might want to try lowering the boom just to 
> experience the difference. It's not so much decreasing the wind speed as 
> it is decreasing the pressure - think of it as a lever and you are 
> moving the pressure point closer to the fulcrum. Yes you can get 
> somewhat the same effect by furling the sail but it is different.
> 
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246
> (a mini trawler)
> 
>> On 2/21/2017 5:51 PM, John Waldhausen wrote:
>> I know about the pop top. Does one lower the boom just to decrease the wind speed hitting the sail? I have an in mast furling and have always just partially furled the sail as wind speed picks up. Probably a simple question but I have no experience lowering the boom ( on purpose).
>> 
>> John Waldhausen
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.  In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>> 
>>> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
>>> 
>>> John Waldhausen
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.
>>>> 
>>>> Billy,
>>>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's
>>>> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>>> 
>>>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one.
>>>> 
>>>> John Waldhausen
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> Bainbridge Island
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From waldjh1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 09:55:02 2017
From: waldjh1 at gmail.com (John Waldhausen)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 06:55:02 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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Thanks. My wife will appreciate that

John Waldhausen

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Lowering the boom decreases heel when the wind is up.  The boat sails best
> on its feet.
> 
> Rick
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From waldjh1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 10:16:48 2017
From: waldjh1 at gmail.com (John Waldhausen)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 07:16:48 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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Thanks Mary Lou

John Waldhausen

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 3:15 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> On a windy day you might want to try lowering the boom just to experience the difference. It's not so much decreasing the wind speed as it is decreasing the pressure - think of it as a lever and you are moving the pressure point closer to the fulcrum. Yes you can get somewhat the same effect by furling the sail but it is different.
> 
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246
> (a mini trawler)
> 
>> On 2/21/2017 5:51 PM, John Waldhausen wrote:
>> I know about the pop top. Does one lower the boom just to decrease the wind speed hitting the sail? I have an in mast furling and have always just partially furled the sail as wind speed picks up. Probably a simple question but I have no experience lowering the boom ( on purpose).
>> 
>> John Waldhausen
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 7:59 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The pin on the boom allows you to move the boom up and down in response to wind conditions.  There is a series of holes in the mast that the pin clicks into.  I think most of us sail with the boom "in the up" position.  In this position, the pop top can be raised up.  The pop stop slider has its own pin that clicks in to hold it up.  When conditions dictate, you can drop the pop top down (by pulling the pin) and then lower the boom (and thus the main) down to a lower position.  - Rob
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2017 10:40 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>> 
>>> Since I never drop my mast, I'm not sure what the pin is even for. I assumed it was so the mast could drop. What is it's actual use?
>>> 
>>> John Waldhausen
>>> Bainbridge Island
>>> 
>>>> On Feb 21, 2017, at 5:53 AM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Any idea where these pins can be found?  I pulled my main out of the mast yesterday and notice the pin on my slider is missing all together.
>>>> 
>>>> Billy,
>>>> I'm also interested in your replacement.  Doesn't sound like it's
>>>> readily adjusted up and down like the pin system?? - rob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of John Waldhausen
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 4:41 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
>>>> 
>>>> It appears to me that the pin only engages the hole in the mast by about 1/8 inch and that a longer pin would help but I'm not sure how to change it for a longer one.
>>>> 
>>>> John Waldhausen
>>>> 
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I?ve had this happen a couple of times last season, but only when I was away from the boat, never underway.  I?d come back to the boat after being away for a week or so, and the mast end of the boom would be down at the cabin top.  How this happens has been an unsolved mystery. I don?t have a solution, but if anyone does, I too would be interested in hearing it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Feb 20, 2017, at 4:08 PM, John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> I have a 2012 Rhodes and have found on several occasions that the pin that holds the boom in place on the mast has come out and caused the boom to drop (once at an inopportune time when I was trying to get out of the way of a race in progress). I usually single had the boat and in a low wind its not a problem as I can just just push the boom back up and the pin locks into place again, but in a higher wind (above 15 knots, the force is considerable and its challenging alone). Have any of you dealt with this issue and if so what have you done about it?
>>>>>> John
>>>>>> Bainbridge Island
>>>>>> __________________________________________________
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From jadoucet at snet.net  Wed Feb 22 10:24:15 2017
From: jadoucet at snet.net (Joseph Doucet)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:24:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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OK, I agree on the heeling issue. the boat will sail with less heeling with the IMF sail in the lower position.
But in moderate wind ~ 10 knots, does it sail faster in the upper position or in the lower position?
it seems that in the lower position the genny covers more of the main so it may provide more drive.? This may depend on whether one has the 130 or the 175 genny.
Thoughts?
joe with the recycled 2004


      From: John Waldhausen <waldjh1 at gmail.com>
 To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 9:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
   
Thanks. My wife will appreciate that

John Waldhausen

> On Feb 21, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Lowering the boom decreases heel when the wind is up.? The boat sails best
> on its feet.
> 
> Rick
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:25:25 2017
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 11:25:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
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Glad to know some push their boat so hard.   I didn't buy a bluewater boat,
but have certainly found myself in unexpected conditions with little boats. 
I've gotten more cautious (wimpy) with age, but its good to have reserve
capacity.  

As has been observed, decreasing the volume of the cockpit without
decreasing the surface area won't limit the amount of water dumped in by
heavy seas or a steep wave at an inlet.   Therefore you increase the risk of
overflowing the bridge deck.   Increasing the bulkhead separation from the
cockpit to the cabin and lazarette makes sense, but will only help as the
boat heals so water levels are higher then they are at the companionway.   

To my knowledge one boat under power has flipped and turtled from a
following wave.  The stub keel did not right it (of course even Vendee Globe
boats have found themselves in that predicament), but the flotation saved
the boat.   Are there other examples?  She seems a remarkably forgiving
design, and one of the more robust trailer launchable pocket cruisers, some
of the reasons I bought one from Stan.

How complete of a knockdown will it right from?  100'?   

My thoughts / concerns on surviving extreme weather (besides the obvious of
watching the weather window and wasting precious vacation days instead of
pushing the envelope) is 
1.  A tether would be useful at times.   Where do you secure it?
2.  The pop top is the biggest vulnerability I see in the event of a
complete knockdown or especially if the boat was rolled.  How do you secure
yours?
3.  I've had a roller FURLING jib unexpectedly open up or fail to reef.  
Exciting.   A partially reefed jib could become big and ugly if the line
breaks or the cleat fails.    Has anybody who pushes their boat considered a
spare halyard and a stormsail hanked over the furled jib, as a way to secure
the jib and limit canvas at the same time?   
Unless I scare my girlfriend off I expect more excursions on bigger water in
the future.    Marina hopping on a schedule means you have to be able to get
back again, even if the weather deteriorates beyond projections.  I'm also a
calculator who likes backup backup plans (and the radio doesn't count as a
backup plan).   

Alex


  





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From tryc96 at ymail.com  Wed Feb 22 13:52:39 2017
From: tryc96 at ymail.com (William Scarpitta)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:52:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Pin
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My apologies to Rob, Scott Mary Lou, Rick and John for muddying the waters.? I was not talking about the pull pin that goes into two different holes to position the boom.? I have had similar sudden lowering as you are discussing, with sometimes funny, sometimes frightening results.? Rather, I was referencing the bolt that attaches the gooseneck to the plastic piece inside the boom (part of the IMF roller furling mechanism).? Mine was just threaded into the black plastic, and (possibly aided by my boom vang) pulled out, stripping the threads.? This is the bolt that I replaced with a longer one allowing the use of a lock nut on the other side of the plastic.? Sorry for the confusion.
Billys/v Sandpiper, 1996 R-22Marinatown, Fort Myers, FL

From rweiss at siu.edu  Wed Feb 22 14:34:12 2017
From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 12:34:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom Pin
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I'm glad you clarified because this is what I thought you meant at first and
I was confused by other answers referencing the boom adjustment pin. I had
problems with this bolt going into the mast as I did have a lock nut on the
inside, but it still came loose. I finally added some loctite liquid and
have not had a problem since. But boy was it tricky to get that nut on from
the inside of the mast. I finally taped the nut to my finger tip to hold it
in place until I could get the bolt started through it. 
Bob



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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 15:59:22 2017
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 15:59:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
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Hi Alex,

Your example of a capsize from a following wave makes sense.  The form
stability of the flared bow is the result of positive hull speed from
moving forward through the water.  A large enough following wave can
produce negative hull speed or surfing, defeating the righting forces of
the flared hull.

The lesson learned is, contrary to running in fair conditions, keep the
center board down and drag warps or a sea anchor to help the rudder dig
in.  Of course, this puts a lot of stress on the board and rudder, so it
would be unwise to sustain for very long.

As for your other issues:

1.  In severe conditions, deploy a jack line from each aft cleat, outside
the shrouds and to the bow cleat.  Tether to these.  The jacklines should
run outside the shrouds because if you go over from the bow, you can work
all the way aft to the ladder without disconnecting from the water side.

2.  Whether on the water or at the dock, secure your poptop closed with a
line running from the horizontal of the poptop support rod to a jam cleat
on the starboard side of the companionway step.

3.  Whether on the water or at the dock, tie an overhand stopper knot in
the furling line aft of the jam cleat.

Rick

From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Feb 22 16:54:06 2017
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 21:54:06 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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So, some good discussions on the effects and desire of boom placement.  But back to my original question, anyone know where to get these boom pins?  Are these a Stan item?  I've been looking around but have not found a direct replacement yet. - rob


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Feb 22 17:18:51 2017
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 17:18:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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I really have no idea, but I suspect there would be a lot of ?it depends? in the answer.  One factor might be that wind speed generally diminishes as you get closer to the water.  So an IMF main in the upper position would catch slightly stronger wind.

?Peter  


> On Feb 22, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:
> 
> OK, I agree on the heeling issue. the boat will sail with less heeling with the IMF sail in the lower position.
> But in moderate wind ~ 10 knots, does it sail faster in the upper position or in the lower position?
> it seems that in the lower position the genny covers more of the main so it may provide more drive.  This may depend on whether one has the 130 or the 175 genny.
> Thoughts?
> joe with the recycled 2004
> 


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 19:18:24 2017
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 19:18:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin
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Joe,

My money is on the 175 in 10 knots and under, providing not only more drive
but also lifting forward the main center of force resulting in higher
pointing than the 135.

The boom in the lower position with the 175 does result in pointing about 3
degrees closer to the wind.  I've never been able to compare speed.

Rick

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:

> OK, I agree on the heeling issue. the boat will sail with less heeling
> with the IMF sail in the lower position.
> But in moderate wind ~ 10 knots, does it sail faster in the upper position
> or in the lower position?
> it seems that in the lower position the genny covers more of the main so
> it may provide more drive.  This may depend on whether one has the 130 or
> the 175 genny.
> Thoughts?
> joe with the recycled 2004
>
>

From bridges.brooks at gmail.com  Wed Feb 22 20:10:09 2017
From: bridges.brooks at gmail.com (thebooker)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 18:10:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Waterproofing
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Hi Alex,

An important post - making me think. But a more general post and wish you
had started a new thread; this one is worn out. No loss (except my reply) 
if you just copy and paste with a more appropriate subject right now. 




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1986, Recycled 2006 "Changes"
Cambridge, MD
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed Feb 22 22:33:18 2017
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 20:33:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaworthiness and survivability thoughts.
Message-ID: <1487820798019-52883.post@n5.nabble.com>

Brooks suggested this be bumped to a new thread.   It was posted under Jay's
thread Cockpit Drains and inspired by his hard sailing concerns:   

I'm glad to know some push their boat so hard.   I didn't buy a bluewater
boat, but have certainly found myself in unexpected conditions with little
boats.  I've gotten more cautious (wimpy) with age, but its good to have
reserve capacity.   

Jay talked about closing off the space beneath the seats to minimize
seawater in the cockpit if inundated by waves.   However, I believe
decreasing the volume of the cockpit without decreasing the surface area
won't limit the amount of water dumped in by heavy seas or a steep wave at
an inlet.   Therefore you increase the risk of overflowing the bridge deck.  
Increasing the bulkhead separation from the cockpit to the cabin and
lazarette makes sense, but will only help as the boat heals so water levels
are higher then they are at the companionway.   

To my knowledge one boat under power has flipped and turtled from a
following wave.  The stub keel did not right it (of course even Vendee Globe
boats have found themselves in that predicament), but the flotation saved
the boat.   Are there other examples?  She seems a remarkably forgiving
design, and one of the more robust trailer launchable pocket cruisers, some
of the reasons I bought one from Stan. 

How complete of a knockdown will it right from?  100'?   

My thoughts / concerns on surviving extreme weather (besides the obvious of
watching the weather window and wasting precious vacation days instead of
pushing the envelope) is 
1.  A tether would be useful at times.   Where do you secure it? 
2.  The pop top is the biggest vulnerability I see in the event of a
complete knockdown or especially if the boat was rolled.  How do you secure
yours? 
3.  I've had a roller FURLING jib unexpectedly open up or fail to reef.  
Exciting.   A partially reefed jib could become big and ugly if the line
breaks or the cleat fails.    Has anybody who pushes their boat considered a
spare halyard and a stormsail hanked over the furled jib, as a way to secure
the jib and limit canvas at the same time?   
Unless I scare my girlfriend off I expect more excursions on bigger water in
the future.    Marina hopping on a schedule means you have to be able to get
back again, even if the weather deteriorates beyond projections.  I'm also a
calculator who likes backup backup plans (and the radio doesn't count as a
backup plan).   

Rick had responded with advice on jacklines between the fore and aft cleats,
outside of the shrouds, to secure a tether to.  Thanks.   His advice on the
pop top was to use a line and the jam cleat to secure it to the stoop, which
I do but have never been completely satisfied.   He also believes the jib
reefing line and cleat are adequate with a stop knot.    This may be
adequate under most circumstances, but I have seen how fast a sail will
unfurl in a gale, and how quickly it will shred itself.   Failure of any
system is always possible.  I've followed Jerry's lead and added a redundant
lashing to the furled jib in dock.   

I invite all to respond anew.

Alex







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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Thu Feb 23 06:44:32 2017
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (mtroy at atlanticbb.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 06:44:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaworthiness and survivability thoughts.
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References: <1487820798019-52883.post@n5.nabble.com>
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A couple of points from collective memory. If you go to 
the rhodes22.org FAQ, and click on Stories, then Sailing 
the Chesapeake, you can read David Dawson?s account of a 
near capsize when he underestimated winds coming out of a 
cove where he had anchored.

If you go back to where you clicked on stories and then 
click on the FAQ link in the center, there is an 
alphabetical collection by topic of advice and narrative 
from the earlier days of the list. Click on Capsize and 
you can read Paul Cleavager's account of his R22 turtling 
under power in a microburst.

Further discussion of this incident at the time noted that 
the water where the capsize occurred was less than 20 feet 
deep so the mast on the bottom may have contributed to the 
boat not turning upright after the incident. Also note 
that there were many other capsizes in that storm 
including if memory serves, a boat or two over 30 feet.

Also note it was the wallof water wave pushed by the storm 
and not the wind itself that capsized the boat.

Mary Lou
ex-Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246

On Wed, 22 Feb 2017 20:33:18 -0700 (MST)
  S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Brooks suggested this be bumped to a new thread.   It 
>was posted under Jay's
> thread Cockpit Drains and inspired by his hard sailing 
>concerns:   
> 
> I'm glad to know some push their boat so hard.   I 
>didn't buy a bluewater
> boat, but have certainly found myself in unexpected 
>conditions with little
> boats.  I've gotten more cautious (wimpy) with age, but 
>its good to have
> reserve capacity.   
> 
> Jay talked about closing off the space beneath the seats 
>to minimize
> seawater in the cockpit if inundated by waves. 
>  However, I believe
> decreasing the volume of the cockpit without decreasing 
>the surface area
> won't limit the amount of water dumped in by heavy seas 
>or a steep wave at
> an inlet.   Therefore you increase the risk of 
>overflowing the bridge deck.  
> Increasing the bulkhead separation from the cockpit to 
>the cabin and
> lazarette makes sense, but will only help as the boat 
>heals so water levels
> are higher then they are at the companionway.   
> 
> To my knowledge one boat under power has flipped and 
>turtled from a
> following wave.  The stub keel did not right it (of 
>course even Vendee Globe
> boats have found themselves in that predicament), but 
>the flotation saved
> the boat.   Are there other examples?  She seems a 
>remarkably forgiving
> design, and one of the more robust trailer launchable 
>pocket cruisers, some
> of the reasons I bought one from Stan. 
> 
> How complete of a knockdown will it right from?  100'? 
>  
> 
> My thoughts / concerns on surviving extreme weather 
>(besides the obvious of
> watching the weather window and wasting precious 
>vacation days instead of
> pushing the envelope) is 
> 1.  A tether would be useful at times.   Where do you 
>secure it? 
> 2.  The pop top is the biggest vulnerability I see in 
>the event of a
> complete knockdown or especially if the boat was rolled. 
> How do you secure
> yours? 
> 3.  I've had a roller FURLING jib unexpectedly open up 
>or fail to reef.  
> Exciting.   A partially reefed jib could become big and 
>ugly if the line
> breaks or the cleat fails.    Has anybody who pushes 
>their boat considered a
> spare halyard and a stormsail hanked over the furled 
>jib, as a way to secure
> the jib and limit canvas at the same time?   
> Unless I scare my girlfriend off I expect more 
>excursions on bigger water in
> the future.    Marina hopping on a schedule means you 
>have to be able to get
> back again, even if the weather deteriorates beyond 
>projections.  I'm also a
> calculator who likes backup backup plans (and the radio 
>doesn't count as a
> backup plan).   
> 
> Rick had responded with advice on jacklines between the 
>fore and aft cleats,
> outside of the shrouds, to secure a tether to.  Thanks. 
>  His advice on the
> pop top was to use a line and the jam cleat to secure it 
>to the stoop, which
> I do but have never been completely satisfied.   He also 
>believes the jib
> reefing line and cleat are adequate with a stop knot. 
>   This may be
> adequate under most circumstances, but I have seen how 
>fast a sail will
> unfurl in a gale, and how quickly it will shred itself. 
>  Failure of any
> system is always possible.  I've followed Jerry's lead 
>and added a redundant
> lashing to the furled jib in dock.   
> 
> I invite all to respond anew.
> 
> Alex
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
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> S/V Lark
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 09:47:48 2017
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:47:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaworthiness and survivability thoughts.
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Mary Lou,

Are there any accounts of capsize while under sail?

Rick

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 10:40:23 2017
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:40:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaworthiness and survivability thoughts.
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Didn't Rummy get knocked down once?  Of course, he always sailed to the
edge of performance, so he probably would have felt cheated if he never was
knocked down! :-)

Hank

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mary Lou,
>
> Are there any accounts of capsize while under sail?
>
> Rick
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Thu Feb 23 10:46:53 2017
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (mtroy at atlanticbb.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:46:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaworthiness and survivability thoughts.
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There aren't any in the FAQ as far as I know. I've been on 
the list and its predecessor since 1997. I don't recall 
ever reading about a capsize or even a near capsize under 
sail.

Mary Lou

On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:47:48 -0500
  Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mary Lou,
> 
> Are there any accounts of capsize while under sail?
> 
> Rick
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Thu Feb 23 10:54:04 2017
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (mtroy at atlanticbb.net)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:54:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaworthiness and survivability thoughts.
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I think so. Something about full sail, some French college 
students (female of course) and rum. I believe they came 
close to putting the mast in the water and filled the 
cockpit at least partially. I don't recall if they spilled 
the rum but I'm pretty sure they continued sailing.

Thanks for jogging the memory.

Mary Lou

On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:40:23 -0500
  Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Didn't Rummy get knocked down once?  Of course, he 
>always sailed to the
> edge of performance, so he probably would have felt 
>cheated if he never was
> knocked down! :-)
> 
> Hank
> 
> On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 9:47 AM, Rick 
><sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>> Are there any accounts of capsize while under sail?
>>
>> Rick
>> __________________________________________________
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From marlangreen at gmail.com  Thu Feb 23 11:12:44 2017
From: marlangreen at gmail.com (marlangreen at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 11:12:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaworthiness and survivability thoughts.
In-Reply-To: <web-42985951@be3.cluster1.echolabs.net>
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Don't overlook the "under sail" part.

Stan has repeatedly stated that the boat will not capsize *under sail,* but
that different physics exist when the boat is underway powered by a motor
and that the same claim cannot be made because of varying motor power and
other variables.

Marlan

s/v Nautisaurus
Rhode River
Mayo, MD


On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 10:46 AM, <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> There aren't any in the FAQ as far as I know. I've been on the list and
> its predecessor since 1997. I don't recall ever reading about a capsize or
> even a near capsize under sail.
>
> Mary Lou
>
> On Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:47:48 -0500
>  Rick <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>> Are there any accounts of capsize while under sail?
>>
>> Rick
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailma
>> n/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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From scranevmd at verizon.net  Thu Feb 23 11:39:12 2017
From: scranevmd at verizon.net (Susan Crane)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 11:39:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  Visibility with 175
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Message-ID: <002701d28df3$5d4f4090$17edc1b0$@net>

I have the 175 and certainly love it in lower winds, but I do have a problem
with visibility when the sail is fully unfurled.  The window in the sail is
too high for me to see anything at water level and I cannot see under the
sail to watch for other boats.  As a result, I tend to keep the sail
partially furled just for that reason.  I don't imagine that there is a
solution, just thought I would see what others have to say.

Susan Crane
s/v Whimsy
Bohemia River, Chesapeake Bay

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Rick
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 7:18 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin

Joe,

My money is on the 175 in 10 knots and under, providing not only more drive
but also lifting forward the main center of force resulting in higher
pointing than the 135.

The boom in the lower position with the 175 does result in pointing about 3
degrees closer to the wind.  I've never been able to compare speed.

Rick

On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 10:24 AM, Joseph Doucet <jadoucet at snet.net> wrote:

> OK, I agree on the heeling issue. the boat will sail with less heeling 
> with the IMF sail in the lower position.
> But in moderate wind ~ 10 knots, does it sail faster in the upper 
> position or in the lower position?
> it seems that in the lower position the genny covers more of the main 
> so it may provide more drive.  This may depend on whether one has the 
> 130 or the 175 genny.
> Thoughts?
> joe with the recycled 2004
>
>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Feb 23 11:49:55 2017
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 16:49:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin photo
Message-ID: <c6340fd6051d4228a74d929807ea841b@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

Not a good photo at all, but the best I could get.  Attached is a photo of the pop top attachment that I've taken apart.  The pin is in the center.  It's just a piece of metal with two different diameters and a spring on the smaller section.  Anyone know where to find something like this? - rob


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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 23 11:52:48 2017
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 09:52:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaworthiness and survivability thoughts.
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Don't forget the "and survive" clause.   Next of kin get nothing.   His logic
is clearly that if you are out in sufficiently scary weather to flip a
Rhodes you will need a spray shield and EPIRB, and the helicopter may not be
flying, thus Stan has a decent chance of voiding the warranty.  :)   

Anybody share my concerns on roller furler jib in heavy gusts?    (not
specific to the Rhodes).   



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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Feb 23 11:59:06 2017
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 16:59:06 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast lighting
Message-ID: <410eb8819117443d88e6d268026b1bcb@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>

I've got the mast off my boat and was looking at the lighting on it.  I've got a light half way up my mast (streaming light?) but no lights at all at the top (all around light?).  I've got only one set of wires (plus and minus) going up the mast.  I'd like to either replace the mid mast light or move a new light to the top of the mast.  What do others have and what is recommended/required.  My desire is to be legal at night anchoring out.  West Marine provides this info. Thanks - rob

https://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules


From jason_q at jasonquick.com  Thu Feb 23 12:11:29 2017
From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (kg4ezq)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 10:11:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast lighting
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You need the all around white light at the top of the mast for anchoring, and
you need the steaming light while motoring at night. They will never be on
at the same time so you may need additional wiring. 

I sail mostly at night, and I'd request that you do your fellow night
sailors a favor and spend the extra money to get super bright LED lights for
at least the anchor light. 



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From mcneelyd at site-solutions.com  Thu Feb 23 12:44:29 2017
From: mcneelyd at site-solutions.com (Dennis)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 12:44:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boom pin photo
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Message-ID: <1974eef4-5b82-a8fc-94d0-637cba5110fd@site-solutions.com>

Rob -

Freud would have a field day with this response, but here's my story...

My pin wasn't quite long enough to engage the hole in the mast securely, 
and the hole for the pin in the plastic piece had gotten a bit loose and 
sloppy over the years, allowing the pin to tip under load and slide out 
of the hole in the mast occasionally. The loud crash and subsequent 
repair to the pop top led me to hunt for a new pin, and a long last I 
found the piece by searching for "plunger pin ring" at 
https://www.zoro.com . More specifically, I went with the pin at 
https://www.zoro.com/innovative-components-plunger-pin-ring-1-in-58-11-044-3jcy7/i/G2486522/ 
.

I had to drill, countersink, and tap the plastic to insert the new pin, 
but at long last, the pin and the hole are happy with one another. The 
boom won't move anymore - unless I want it to.

Best of luck -

Dennis
Magic Moments
just a few degrees warmer...


On 2/23/2017 11:49 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
> Not a good photo at all, but the best I could get.  Attached is a photo of the pop top attachment that I've taken apart.  The pin is in the center.  It's just a piece of metal with two different diameters and a spring on the smaller section.  Anyone know where to find something like this? - rob
>
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From mcneelyd at site-solutions.com  Thu Feb 23 13:16:07 2017
From: mcneelyd at site-solutions.com (Dennis)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 13:16:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast lighting
In-Reply-To: <410eb8819117443d88e6d268026b1bcb@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
References: <410eb8819117443d88e6d268026b1bcb@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
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Hi Rob,

Two possibilities come to mind. You're going to need to install a wire 
to the masthead regardless, but you can make two conductors work for 
both lights (and make the two conductor deck connector work for both as 
well).

The secret is knowing that LEDs are sensitive to polarity, so you can 
run the two conductor wire to a two pole double throw switch (DPDT) - 
one that has a middle "Off" position. When you want the steaming light 
on, flipping the switch in one direction will connect the positive 
terminal of the battery to one wire (call it white), and connect the 
negative terminal to the other wire. The LED in the steaming light is 
happy, as are the boaters in your vicinity (and the Coast Guard).

OTOH, the LED in the anchor light at the top of the mast won't light, 
since you've cleverly reversed the leads connected to it - and the LED 
won't light since it sees the wrong polarity. To anchor, flip the DPDT 
switch to the opposite side, connecting the battery's *negative* 
terminal to the white wire - and the anchor light will happily come on. 
The steaming light will refuse to do so, since it sees the wrong 
polarity now. The middle switch position kills both lights for day sailing.

The other possibility? Install another two conductor wire down the 
length of the mast, and install an new connector at the deck for the 
additional wire pair.

There's a relatively inexpensive tool you can use to pull wiring down 
the mast, but I used fiberglass rods to push a new wire in place, 
together with a piece of string to pull future wiring should the need 
arise. The rods can be anything flexible. I used some screw-together 
rods (normally for cleaning a chimney), some tent pole rods (and some 
duct tape), etc. It was ugly, but it worked.

A bit of a hassle, but an interesting project to play with while waiting 
for Spring to spring.

Dennis
Magic Moments
one eye on the thermometer & one eye on the water level


On 2/23/2017 11:59 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
> I've got the mast off my boat and was looking at the lighting on it.  I've got a light half way up my mast (streaming light?) but no lights at all at the top (all around light?).  I've got only one set of wires (plus and minus) going up the mast.  I'd like to either replace the mid mast light or move a new light to the top of the mast.  What do others have and what is recommended/required.  My desire is to be legal at night anchoring out.  West Marine provides this info. Thanks - rob
>
> https://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules
>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Feb 23 15:51:20 2017
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 15:51:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast lighting
In-Reply-To: <f9636e37-76ac-040f-989d-025564036b8f@site-solutions.com>
References: <410eb8819117443d88e6d268026b1bcb@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
 <f9636e37-76ac-040f-989d-025564036b8f@site-solutions.com>
Message-ID: <F8579283-2423-4A48-A769-B929C7A89C38@sunnybeeches.com>

Don?t assume that just because you?ve got two conductors running up the inside of the mast that you?ve only got a two conductor plug on deck.  My boat came with only two conductors running up the mast, but the plug can handle up to four conductors.  

When I got my boat, the mast was wired for a steaming light.  I knew I was far more likely to be anchoring than motoring at night, so I rewired for a 360 degree masthead anchor light.  Maybe someday I?ll rewire in the cabin and up the mast to have a full set of proper lights, but until then if I ever find myself motoring at night my plan is to turn on the anchor light and cover the stern light.  I?d be showing port, starboard and 360 degrees of white.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Dennis <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob,
> 
> Two possibilities come to mind. You're going to need to install a wire to the masthead regardless, but you can make two conductors work for both lights (and make the two conductor deck connector work for both as well).
> 
> The secret is knowing that LEDs are sensitive to polarity, so you can run the two conductor wire to a two pole double throw switch (DPDT) - one that has a middle "Off" position. When you want the steaming light on, flipping the switch in one direction will connect the positive terminal of the battery to one wire (call it white), and connect the negative terminal to the other wire. The LED in the steaming light is happy, as are the boaters in your vicinity (and the Coast Guard).
> 
> OTOH, the LED in the anchor light at the top of the mast won't light, since you've cleverly reversed the leads connected to it - and the LED won't light since it sees the wrong polarity. To anchor, flip the DPDT switch to the opposite side, connecting the battery's *negative* terminal to the white wire - and the anchor light will happily come on. The steaming light will refuse to do so, since it sees the wrong polarity now. The middle switch position kills both lights for day sailing.
> 
> The other possibility? Install another two conductor wire down the length of the mast, and install an new connector at the deck for the additional wire pair.
> 
> There's a relatively inexpensive tool you can use to pull wiring down the mast, but I used fiberglass rods to push a new wire in place, together with a piece of string to pull future wiring should the need arise. The rods can be anything flexible. I used some screw-together rods (normally for cleaning a chimney), some tent pole rods (and some duct tape), etc. It was ugly, but it worked.
> 
> A bit of a hassle, but an interesting project to play with while waiting for Spring to spring.
> 
> Dennis
> Magic Moments
> one eye on the thermometer & one eye on the water level
> 
> 
> On 2/23/2017 11:59 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>> I've got the mast off my boat and was looking at the lighting on it.  I've got a light half way up my mast (streaming light?) but no lights at all at the top (all around light?).  I've got only one set of wires (plus and minus) going up the mast.  I'd like to either replace the mid mast light or move a new light to the top of the mast.  What do others have and what is recommended/required.  My desire is to be legal at night anchoring out.  West Marine provides this info. Thanks - rob
>> 
>> https://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules
>> 
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Thu Feb 23 23:42:10 2017
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2017 23:42:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaworthiness and survivability thoughts.
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Re the furling jib. We were cautious with it, knowing the downsides but 
didn't worry about it in storms.

We sailed Fretless for 18 years on the Chesapeake. We always tried to 
avoid thunderstorms which can be pretty fierce on the Bay. Because 
visibility is pretty good, we never got caught in one sailing. We did 
get caught out in one once. We furled all sail and motored into the 
wind. We were in an area where fetch was short so the waves didn't get a 
chance to build. The wind was strong enough to blow the tops off the 
small waves flattening them. When we could finally see again (it rained 
really hard as well), we found we had been blown backwards about a 
quarter mile as we motored into the wind under bare poles. Storms on the 
Chesapeake tend to be short. This one was over in about 30 minutes. We 
didn't worry about the jib. It was securely furled.

We've also been caught at anchor in strong storms a few times. We always 
made sure the jib was tightly wrapped and well secured but again never 
really worried about it. We kept a careful eye on the weather at all times.

We've seen boats with jibs blown out. For the most part they were racing 
and had too much sail out for conditions or they were at the dock in 
sustained winds - think tropical storm or microburst type winds. We 
always made sure our jib was well-secured at the dock. We made sure it 
was tightly wrapped and then tied it off with a piece of line. For a 
tropical storm, we put extra wraps on the jib. If a hurricane threatened 
we removed the sail or hauled the boat and dropped the mast.

A sudden strong gust may heel you and come close to putting your mast in 
the water but if your gear is in good shape, it shouldn't damage the 
sail or the equipment. In 18 years of sailing, we never had a problem 
furling the jib. It was a little harder to do in higher winds but it 
always furled. The General Boats furler was bulletproof. We later 
replaced it with a Schaefer Snap-Furl as we wanted the ability to remove 
the sail without dropping the mast. It was a little more finicky but 
once set up and adjusted properly at the beginning of the season, it 
always worked well. We never went out without knowing our gear was in 
good shape and that the furlers were working well.

Not sure if any of this really addresses your sailing situation but hope 
some of it is helpful.

Mary Lou

ex Rhodes 22

now Rosborough RF-246


On 2/23/2017 11:52 AM, S/V Lark wrote:
> Don't forget the "and survive" clause.   Next of kin get nothing.   His logic
> is clearly that if you are out in sufficiently scary weather to flip a
> Rhodes you will need a spray shield and EPIRB, and the helicopter may not be
> flying, thus Stan has a decent chance of voiding the warranty.  :)
>
> Anybody share my concerns on roller furler jib in heavy gusts?    (not
> specific to the Rhodes).
>
>
>
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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 10:52:45 2017
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (rbeytagh)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 08:52:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 towed to Florida
Message-ID: <1487951565735-52899.post@n5.nabble.com>

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52899/Cold_Wet_Lake_Barcley.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52899/amy_at_Port_St_Joe.jpg> 





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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Fri Feb 24 10:59:29 2017
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (rbeytagh)
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2017 08:59:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 towed to Florida
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Sorry it seems that only the pics came through. Here is the report:

I have have just had the pleasure of helping Amy Watson-Reese take her 1982
R22 from Lake Barkley Kentucky to its new home in Port St Joe Florida. 
Quite an eventful journey with the take-out in Kentucky done in freezing wet
weather and a dicky* out-board so we had to sail most of the 1 mile trip
from her slip to the take out ramp.

En route we had to get her lifted so we could do a bottom job before
launching her into the briny Gulf. We were delayed 2 days as the yard had to
shut down due to tumultuous rain storms. We eventually got her launched and
with the board-still playing up, we short-tacked into the marina and to her
slip like real pros.

Amy has been a lurker on the R22 blogs for awhile, but has been reluctant to
post questions at the risk of appearing trivial.  I really admire her
determination to get her boat back into tip-top shape again and I am sure
all the blog contributors will be more that willing to add their 2 cents
worth.

*Dicky is english for $@%^ out-board



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From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Sat Feb 25 01:19:08 2017
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 01:19:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] mast lighting
In-Reply-To: <F8579283-2423-4A48-A769-B929C7A89C38@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <410eb8819117443d88e6d268026b1bcb@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu>
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Message-ID: <50296.24.140.30.102.1488003548.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

Rob,
Give a little thought to how you are planning to use your boat. If you are
going to anchor out,you should have an anchor light. If you sail at night
(moonlight sail ) it would be nice to have a windex light. And if  you
sail at night, you really ought to be legally  able to motor at night.(
steaming light ) . If you anchor over night, it's nice to have a deck
light to put on the pop-top or check anchor rode,ect. If you run one pair
of wires up to the top of the mast,you can use that for the anchor and
windex light,if you use the double pole / double pole switch and LED
lights. If you use the steaming light wires to power a LED steaming light/
deck light combination unit , you will only need to change the switch. I
would advise you to not reuse old lights and just replace the bulbs with
led replacement units ,as you still have the clips that make the
electrical transfer of power that are a weak point in the circuit. If your
vhf antenna cable is getting lone in tooth,no would be a good time to
upgrade.

It worked for me,
Jerry Lowe




Don???t assume that just because you???ve got two conductors running up
> the inside of the mast that you???ve only got a two conductor plug on
> deck.  My boat came with only two conductors running up the mast, but the
> plug can handle up to four conductors.
>
> When I got my boat, the mast was wired for a steaming light.  I knew I was
> far more likely to be anchoring than motoring at night, so I rewired for a
> 360 degree masthead anchor light.  Maybe someday I???ll rewire in the
> cabin and up the mast to have a full set of proper lights, but until then
> if I ever find myself motoring at night my plan is to turn on the anchor
> light and cover the stern light.  I???d be showing port, starboard and 360
> degrees of white.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>> On Feb 23, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Dennis <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> Two possibilities come to mind. You're going to need to install a wire
>> to the masthead regardless, but you can make two conductors work for
>> both lights (and make the two conductor deck connector work for both as
>> well).
>>
>> The secret is knowing that LEDs are sensitive to polarity, so you can
>> run the two conductor wire to a two pole double throw switch (DPDT) -
>> one that has a middle "Off" position. When you want the steaming light
>> on, flipping the switch in one direction will connect the positive
>> terminal of the battery to one wire (call it white), and connect the
>> negative terminal to the other wire. The LED in the steaming light is
>> happy, as are the boaters in your vicinity (and the Coast Guard).
>>
>> OTOH, the LED in the anchor light at the top of the mast won't light,
>> since you've cleverly reversed the leads connected to it - and the LED
>> won't light since it sees the wrong polarity. To anchor, flip the DPDT
>> switch to the opposite side, connecting the battery's *negative*
>> terminal to the white wire - and the anchor light will happily come on.
>> The steaming light will refuse to do so, since it sees the wrong
>> polarity now. The middle switch position kills both lights for day
>> sailing.
>>
>> The other possibility? Install another two conductor wire down the
>> length of the mast, and install an new connector at the deck for the
>> additional wire pair.
>>
>> There's a relatively inexpensive tool you can use to pull wiring down
>> the mast, but I used fiberglass rods to push a new wire in place,
>> together with a piece of string to pull future wiring should the need
>> arise. The rods can be anything flexible. I used some screw-together
>> rods (normally for cleaning a chimney), some tent pole rods (and some
>> duct tape), etc. It was ugly, but it worked.
>>
>> A bit of a hassle, but an interesting project to play with while waiting
>> for Spring to spring.
>>
>> Dennis
>> Magic Moments
>> one eye on the thermometer & one eye on the water level
>>
>>
>> On 2/23/2017 11:59 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>> I've got the mast off my boat and was looking at the lighting on it.
>>> I've got a light half way up my mast (streaming light?) but no lights
>>> at all at the top (all around light?).  I've got only one set of wires
>>> (plus and minus) going up the mast.  I'd like to either replace the mid
>>> mast light or move a new light to the top of the mast.  What do others
>>> have and what is recommended/required.  My desire is to be legal at
>>> night anchoring out.  West Marine provides this info. Thanks - rob
>>>
>>> https://www.westmarine.com/WestAdvisor/Navigation-Light-Rules
>>>
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 25 13:34:41 2017
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 11:34:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 towed to Florida
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Trivial questions?   No such thing.   This is hardly the admiralty exam.   I
suppose thick skin is always helpful online, but ask away and I for one love
stories of people using their boat well.   I have learned almost as much
from the experiences of others as I have from my own dunderhead moves.   I
haven't had enough practice pulling the Rhodes out to get it positioned for
a roadtrip on the first try.  I can imagine the difficulty in freezing
conditions.  

Alex



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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sat Feb 25 14:40:56 2017
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 12:40:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seaworthiness and survivability thoughts.
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Thanks Mary Lou, I'm glad you still hang on this list.   My years on the
Buccaneer 18 have made me a bit jumpy (maybe in a good way, maybe too much
so).  The Bucc is designed to be raced by two, so solo I don't have enough
rail meat in wind.  Mistakes mean swimming.   Inattention means swimming.  
A jammed furling line almost meant swimming.    A pop up thundercell at dock
waiting for my turn at the ramp almost cost me the boat with fiberglass
damage from waves dropping it on the dock.  It did cost me a decent jib (it
wouldn't furl tight, since it was luffing hard causing a sympathetic
vibration up the mast).    Most of my 2016 hours were on the polite Rhodes
but I returned to the Bucc a couple times after DNR kicked the R-22 out of
the marina for the winter.   My avatar photo in a wetsuit is actually a
selfie in the old boat in a calm.   After spending most of the summer on the
Rhodes I got overcocky planing past a  26 footer under my main alone and
TURNED to chat with him.   Wind shift and tiller drift meant I switched from
the high rail to the low rail to the water faster then it took to read this.  
Jibe Ho.  The Rhodes would have let me off with a warning.  

Last years roadtrip to Ky Lake was a good primer, one day was windy enough
the local fishermen tried to tell me it wasn't safe to go out.  But I only
had four days for the trip.   I was the only boat under 30 
foot.  I also know how much worse Erie gets.   I did fine with half sails,
but suddenly finding myself under full sail would have been a distraction.   
I'm trying to plan for the predicaments I know I won't always avoid.   I'm
really hoping for Erie this summer, and more next year.



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From jason_q at jasonquick.com  Sun Feb 26 22:31:47 2017
From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (kg4ezq)
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2017 20:31:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To
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Well I took everyone's input into consideration but I was never satisfied
with the idea that the boat couldn't heave to close to the wind like any
other boat, so I kept experimenting and tonight I figured it out. Actually
it should have been obvious and I'm a little embarrassed it didn't occur to
me sooner.

If the jib sheet is brought inside the upper shroud the boat will heave to
perfectly about 45-50 degrees off the wind. This makes total sense, as you
have to do the same thing to sail close to the wind. A back-winded sail is
still a sail, so if you want to go close to the wind you have to be
close-hauled. 

--Jason



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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Mon Feb 27 21:03:12 2017
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2017 19:03:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller project
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<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n52905/IMG_9021.jpg> I finally
got around to installing the new fiberglass tiller I bought from Stan last
year to replace my rotted wooden tiller.  I wish Stan had pre drilled the
hardware for me but it turned out fine.
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