From jason_q at jasonquick.com Thu Jan 5 13:19:56 2017 From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (kg4ezq) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 11:19:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To In-Reply-To: References: <1482527840798-52786.post@n5.nabble.com> <1482612124032-52789.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1483640396531-52793.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks to all again for the tips. I've been experimenting and while I've not gotten the boat to point as high as I would like while hove to I have learned the following: 1) Sheeting the main all the way in gets the bow about 10-15 degrees higher. This makes some sense when the CLR is considered. In any case luffing the main seems to produce the opposite of the desired effect. I have also experimented with bringing the traveler up to windward but this produces no noticeable difference. 2) Rudder angle adjustments have no meaningful effect. Reducing rudder angle enough to move the bow allows the boat to turn down and break out of the heave. 3) The boat will heave to only slightly further downwind (right at 90 degrees) with head sail only, provided there is sufficient wind for the amount of sail that's out, but it is less stable than with the main up and gusty winds can cause issues. 4) It's not terribly difficult to get underway again on the same tack by gybing through if the rudder is centered rather than put hard over, allowing the boat to build some forward speed as it turns. --Jason Goodness wrote > Thanks Rick! Yes i meant the freeboard. With that reverse flare, it > catches the wind and channels it a bit. > Merry Christmas to all!! > > Bob (palatka) > >> On Dec 24, 2016, at 3:57 PM, Rick < > sloopblueheron@ > > wrote: >> >> Not the topside but the freeboard, which is flared. >> >> Rick >> >>> On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 3:42 PM, kg4ezq < > jason_q@ > > wrote: >>> >>> Thanks guys, I'll give both a go. I've tried heaving to with varying >>> degrees >>> of genoa out and haven't seen much difference, but I've never tried >>> experimenting with it to try to improve the angle, so I'll give that a >>> go. >>> >>> I'm curious as to what about the hull topside shape makes the boat >>> behave >>> differently... >>> >>> I have actually tried luffing the main, in fact since the boat easily >>> heaves >>> to with headsail only I often heave to before dropping the main and sail >>> the >>> last leg back to the marina under genoa only. However I must confess I >>> haven't tried experimenting with other things while the main is luffed. >>> >>> --Jason >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. >>> nabble.com/Heaving-To-tp52786p52789.html >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >>> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >>> go >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Heaving-To-tp52786p52793.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu Jan 5 17:06:37 2017 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 17:06:37 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To In-Reply-To: <1483640396531-52793.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1482527840798-52786.post@n5.nabble.com> <1482612124032-52789.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483640396531-52793.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Jason, I'm just wondering what your "desired effect" may be. If it is to raise or lower the main without using the engine to head up, then only luffing the main will work. If it is to give you and your crew a break from wave motion, sheeting the main will only move you out of the calm. Rick From chrissailorman at gmail.com Fri Jan 6 10:22:16 2017 From: chrissailorman at gmail.com (chrissailorman at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 10:22:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To In-Reply-To: <1482612124032-52789.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1482527840798-52786.post@n5.nabble.com> <1482612124032-52789.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1DE3C37C-3BA0-4638-9174-3F89A9BEAD57@gmail.com> I have always backwinded the jib., let the main go completely to leeward and put the tiller all the way over. Quick, easy, always worked Like a charm! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 24, 2016, at 3:42 PM, kg4ezq wrote: > > Thanks guys, I'll give both a go. I've tried heaving to with varying degrees > of genoa out and haven't seen much difference, but I've never tried > experimenting with it to try to improve the angle, so I'll give that a go. > > I'm curious as to what about the hull topside shape makes the boat behave > differently... > > I have actually tried luffing the main, in fact since the boat easily heaves > to with headsail only I often heave to before dropping the main and sail the > last leg back to the marina under genoa only. However I must confess I > haven't tried experimenting with other things while the main is luffed. > > --Jason > > > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Heaving-To-tp52786p52789.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From jason_q at jasonquick.com Fri Jan 6 13:17:09 2017 From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (kg4ezq) Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 11:17:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To In-Reply-To: References: <1482527840798-52786.post@n5.nabble.com> <1482612124032-52789.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483640396531-52793.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1483726629167-52796.post@n5.nabble.com> Rick, I almost always lower the main while hove to and sail back to the marina with headsail only, I'd actually say that's my standard procedure barring a reason to do otherwise or unfavorable winds that necessitate motoring back. Some day when I have a good crew and good winds I'd like to sail in to the slip, but I have a nearly 270 degree sharp dogleg turn at the harbor entrance and a very tight slip which has made me reluctant to try so far. My goal, in as much as I have one, is to get the boat to heave to with the bow as close to the wind as possible. In other boats when I've heaved to I've been between 50-60 degrees off the wind, which I had thought was desirable to help the boat manage waves better (take them at an angle off the bow rather than abeam). So far in the Rhodes I'm getting between 80-90 degrees, so if there were any real waves I'd be taking them right on the side, assuming the waves were coming from the same direction as the wind. In my mind this is the worst possible angle, so I've been trying everything I can think of to find a way to point the bow higher while hove to. I will add that on my little 5 mile lake heaving to abeam the waves will never be an issue, but some day I hope to escape. Thanks, --Jason Rick wrote > Hi Jason, > > I'm just wondering what your "desired effect" may be. If it is to raise > or > lower the main without using the engine to head up, then only luffing the > main will work. If it is to give you and your crew a break from wave > motion, sheeting the main will only move you out of the calm. > > Rick > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Heaving-To-tp52786p52796.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 12:27:13 2017 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 12:27:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To In-Reply-To: <1483726629167-52796.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1482527840798-52786.post@n5.nabble.com> <1482612124032-52789.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483640396531-52793.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483726629167-52796.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Jason, On the open water of Lake Erie with the small craft flag up, I have hove-to into a dead calm. That means 5+ foot waves are gone. Rick From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Sat Jan 7 16:29:28 2017 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 13:29:28 -0800 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To In-Reply-To: References: <1482527840798-52786.post@n5.nabble.com> <1482612124032-52789.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483640396531-52793.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483726629167-52796.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Rick : How were your sails (IMF?) And tiller set? Any reefs ? Thanks. Cheers, Shawn s / v Sweet Baboo On Jan 7, 2017 9:27 AM, "Rick" wrote: Jason, On the open water of Lake Erie with the small craft flag up, I have hove-to into a dead calm. That means 5+ foot waves are gone. Rick __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun Jan 8 14:08:37 2017 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:08:37 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To In-Reply-To: References: <1482527840798-52786.post@n5.nabble.com> <1482612124032-52789.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483640396531-52793.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483726629167-52796.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Shawn, While the mainsail is irrelevant, I have IMF on my R22. I also regularly sail and heave-to a Pearson 28 and an Hunter 34. These are both fractional and full rigged sloops and heaving-to works the same on all of them: tack across the wind to backwind the foresail, put the rudder back over all the way and release the main sheet. The foresail needs no adjustment, unless it was in unbalanced use in the first place. Rick From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Jan 9 13:19:33 2017 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 11:19:33 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard To Tiller Link In-Reply-To: <1483985973505-4811.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1483985973516-4802.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483985973528-4803.post@n5.nabble.com> <20DE79EA3783484A94EF626CFBEB95B335C2AE6FB4@rivendell.cc.w2k.vt.edu> <1483985973505-4811.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1483985973493-52800.post@n5.nabble.com> Lee, You had such creditability up until this post! Liked your posts to Rob re: outboard linkage. Unable to open the pictures. Just to set the record straight: >From NCAA Report released in Nov. 2015, "Virginia Tech?s Graduation Success Rate (GSR) combined for all 21 varsity sports listed (women?s golf hadn?t been added as a varsity sport and thus is not part of this report) was 92 percent ? six percentage points above the national average. That percentage was the best ever for the school since the NCAA starting tracking data in this manner in 2004. The Hokies? 92 percent also ranked as the best among public universities in the ACC. In addition, the number was tied with Wake Forest for fourth behind Notre Dame (98), Duke (97) and Boston College (95). The Hokies were one of 11 Football Bowl Subdivision schools in which every sport recorded a GSR above 77 percent. That list included Alabama, Duke, Michigan, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Stanford, Temple, Tulane, UCF and Vanderbilt." There are no other Virginia or Maryland schools listed in the top 10. But what does all this have to do with sailing anyway!? Best regards, ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Marshall,VA -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Outboard-To-Tiller-Link-tp4802p52800.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Jan 9 17:02:13 2017 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:02:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard To Tiller Link In-Reply-To: <1483985973505-4811.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1483985973516-4802.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483985973528-4803.post@n5.nabble.com> <20DE79EA3783484A94EF626CFBEB95B335C2AE6FB4@rivendell.cc.w2k.vt.edu> <1483985973505-4811.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1483999333153-52801.post@n5.nabble.com> Lee, You had such creditability up until this post! Liked your posts to Rob re: outboard linkage. Unable to open the pictures. Just to set the record straight: >From NCAA Report released in Nov. 2015, "Virginia Tech?s Graduation Success Rate (GSR) combined for all 21 varsity sports listed (women?s golf hadn?t been added as a varsity sport and thus is not part of this report) was 92 percent ? six percentage points above the national average. That percentage was the best ever for the school since the NCAA starting tracking data in this manner in 2004. The Hokies? 92 percent also ranked as the best among public universities in the ACC. In addition, the number was tied with Wake Forest for fourth behind Notre Dame (98), Duke (97) and Boston College (95). The Hokies were one of 11 Football Bowl Subdivision schools in which every sport recorded a GSR above 77 percent. That list included Alabama, Duke, Michigan, Northwestern, Notre Dame, Stanford, Temple, Tulane, UCF and Vanderbilt." There are no other Virginia or Maryland schools listed in the top 10. But what does all this have to do with sailing anyway!? Best regards, ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Marshall,VA -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Outboard-To-Tiller-Link-tp4802p52801.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jason_q at jasonquick.com Mon Jan 16 17:10:59 2017 From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (kg4ezq) Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:10:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Heaving To In-Reply-To: References: <1482527840798-52786.post@n5.nabble.com> <1482612124032-52789.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483640396531-52793.post@n5.nabble.com> <1483726629167-52796.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1484604659225-52803.post@n5.nabble.com> Rick, Sorry for the delayed response. I obviously haven't been in any serious waves yet (I still tell stories about the confused and choppy 2 footers at the harbor entrance a few months ago), so perhaps I need to just experience it. With only my imagination and a few random articles to refer to I'm struggling to get rid of the vision of a big wave on the beam knocking the boat down while it's hove to. --Jason -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Heaving-To-tp52786p52803.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com.