From steven.w.bauman at nasa.gov Mon May 1 08:59:52 2017 From: steven.w.bauman at nasa.gov (Bauman, Steven W. (GRC-LMT0)) Date: Mon, 1 May 2017 12:59:52 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Best LED Masthead Light ? Message-ID: <3F628880B2FC9541B1FB58296741CFFA2154B1C8@NDJSMBX104.ndc.nasa.gov> Can someone tell me exactly which specific LED mast-top anchor light fixture to buy to replace the one on my 1990 R22? One possibility on "marinebeam.com" is the "ALL-AROUND LED ANCHOR LIGHT FOR SAILBOAT MAST - SERIES 40 TYPE <20M", but this seems rather large. Will this work, or can someone recommend a better unit? Thanks. Steve, Sandusky Bay -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:26 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] LED Lights - Cheap source Try "marinebeam.com" Better Quality and much cheaper than DR. LED. Bulbs and fixtures. Cary S/V Whisper On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 5:58 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > I've spent a good while getting caught up on the List. Read several > posts on LED's. I purchased running light replacements from > www.superbrightleds.com . > They had the bayonet mounts for the side lights $4-6!, but did not > have a suitable LED for the masthead which requires a 31mm Festoon > type mount so I bit the bullet and bought Dr.LED from WestMarine. $26 ugh! > > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Marshall,VA > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. > nabble.com/LED-Lights-Cheap-source-tp53040.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From jason_q at jasonquick.com Tue May 2 16:57:35 2017 From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (kg4ezq) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 13:57:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? Message-ID: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm looking for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in getting my boat back on the water. I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and easily more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from the boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got it. The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was sailing in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up, but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come up visibly. Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the furler is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it. The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth repairing them instead of replacing them. I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and most of these projects will require me to learn new skills. These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into consideration: 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a complete restoration of the cabin. 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, but failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done. 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner I bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However, the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead beside the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to be reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also, a previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette beneath the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I take the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped. 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of effort do not leak. 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where the port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability. 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig. 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it may be bent. 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired if I restore the original design. 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are present. 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the floor with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a raised spot. 11) Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be replaced. 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast step, and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or apparent deformation topside. Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year old boat? Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input. Jason -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue May 2 17:20:45 2017 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 17:20:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Best LED Masthead Light ? In-Reply-To: <3F628880B2FC9541B1FB58296741CFFA2154B1C8@NDJSMBX104.ndc.nasa.gov> References: <3F628880B2FC9541B1FB58296741CFFA2154B1C8@NDJSMBX104.ndc.nasa.gov> Message-ID: <07D58366-BFAD-4664-A74A-A01E6B83ADEC@sunnybeeches.com> Steve, I can tell you what model I installed at the top of my mast last year about this time. I didn?t do a lot of research, so I can?t say it?s the best, but I was able to install it without any problems, so it was good enough for me. It?s the Sea-Dog LED All-Around Navigation Light. Sea-Dog model # is 400042-1. I ordered it from Defender. Their item # is 701315. Their current price is $49.99. I have the IMF mast, which in all likelihood you do too. Hope that helps, Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 1, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Bauman, Steven W. (GRC-LMT0) wrote: > > Can someone tell me exactly which specific LED mast-top anchor light fixture to buy to replace the one on my 1990 R22? One possibility on "marinebeam.com" is the "ALL-AROUND LED ANCHOR LIGHT FOR SAILBOAT MAST - SERIES 40 TYPE <20M", but this seems rather large. Will this work, or can someone recommend a better unit? Thanks. > > Steve, Sandusky Bay > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert > Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 10:26 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] LED Lights - Cheap source > > Try "marinebeam.com" Better Quality and much cheaper than DR. LED. > Bulbs and fixtures. > > Cary > S/V Whisper > > On Tue, Apr 18, 2017 at 5:58 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > >> I've spent a good while getting caught up on the List. Read several >> posts on LED's. I purchased running light replacements from >> www.superbrightleds.com . >> They had the bayonet mounts for the side lights $4-6!, but did not >> have a suitable LED for the masthead which requires a 31mm Festoon >> type mount so I bit the bullet and bought Dr.LED from WestMarine. $26 ugh! >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> JP Dempsey >> s/v Respite >> Marshall,VA >> -- >> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. >> nabble.com/LED-Lights-Cheap-source-tp53040.html >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue May 2 17:34:51 2017 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 17:34:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <16ACA176-B3A8-44E8-B1C0-800DC2EEEB41@sunnybeeches.com> Jason, Thank you for reminding me why I paid the money I did for a recycled Rhodes. I?m a pretty handy guy, though not that experienced with boat work. Personally, I would not take on the project of trying to restore the boat you describe to sailable condition. Given the depressingly low prices that some sellers of used Rhodes have been asking for on the list lately, I would look for another boat. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 2, 2017, at 4:57 PM, kg4ezq wrote: > > My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm looking > for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're > all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really > appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in > getting my boat back on the water. > > I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and easily > more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from the > boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got it. > The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was sailing > in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was > hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up, > but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to > the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's > about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come > up visibly. > > Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the furler > is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky > enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it. > The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth > repairing them instead of replacing them. > > I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many > other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then > inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and most > of these projects will require me to learn new skills. > > These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into > consideration: > > 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead > for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The > bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat > needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a > complete restoration of the cabin. > > 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, but > failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of > collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the > original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done. > > 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual > spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner I > bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However, > the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at > two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help > around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead beside > the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to be > reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also, a > previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette beneath > the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I take > the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped. > > 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of effort > do not leak. > > 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where the > port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which > attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However > this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint > may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability. > > 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the > trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not > of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig. > > 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it may > be bent. > > 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the > centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired if > I restore the original design. > > 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed > despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are present. > > 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has > added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the floor > with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a raised > spot. > > 11) Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be > replaced. > > 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast step, > and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some > point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this > could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or > apparent deformation topside. > > Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I > think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in > mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year > old boat? > > Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input. > > Jason > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From rbeytagh at gmail.com Tue May 2 17:50:32 2017 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 17:50:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Jason...I brought my 1984 R22 back from the brink with a lot less work than you seem to have. The total cost to me was about $3500 and it took me about a year to get it completed. I have not regretted it one bit and I have enjoyed the boat summer and winter for 3 years now. The problems on your boat seem to be pretty dire with the main concerns being the hull to deck joint and the missing bulkheads. Without going into a lot of detail I would guess your are looking at least $7000 worth of material and over a year of out-of-the water labor. At the end of the project you will have a 42 year old boat and unless you can work miracles, a boat that is probably only worth $2000 if your lucky. I am sure many will disagree, but there is a finite life-span to any boat and my advise would be to save your time and money and find yourself a younger Rhodes 22 and be back on the water for summer. Cheers ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:57 PM, kg4ezq wrote: > My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm looking > for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're > all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really > appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in > getting my boat back on the water. > > I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and > easily > more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from the > boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got it. > The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was sailing > in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was > hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up, > but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to > the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's > about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come > up visibly. > > Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the > furler > is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky > enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it. > The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth > repairing them instead of replacing them. > > I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many > other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then > inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and > most > of these projects will require me to learn new skills. > > These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into > consideration: > > 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead > for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The > bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat > needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a > complete restoration of the cabin. > > 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, but > failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of > collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the > original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done. > > 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual > spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner I > bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However, > the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at > two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help > around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead > beside > the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to > be > reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also, > a > previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette > beneath > the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I take > the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped. > > 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of > effort > do not leak. > > 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where the > port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which > attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However > this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint > may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability. > > 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the > trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not > of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig. > > 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it may > be bent. > > 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the > centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired if > I restore the original design. > > 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed > despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are present. > > 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has > added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the > floor > with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a raised > spot. > > 11) Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be > replaced. > > 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast step, > and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some > point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this > could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or > apparent deformation topside. > > Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I > think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in > mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year > old boat? > > Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input. > > Jason > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. > nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1st pic waif.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63661 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jadoucet at snet.net Tue May 2 18:28:36 2017 From: jadoucet at snet.net (joseph doucet) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 18:28:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <14F29ECC-F169-4CD4-B82C-DE8B37DEA464@snet.net> I agree with the others. Buy an R22 with fewer problems, salvage some good parts from your old one, keep sailing rather than rebuilding. You could see if Stan will take in your old boat as a down payment on a refurbished one. If the mast is still straight it must be worth something Joe with the 2004 rebuilt > On May 2, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Richard Beytagh wrote: > > Hi Jason...I brought my 1984 R22 back from the brink with a lot less work > than you seem to have. The total cost to me was about $3500 and it took me > about a year to get it completed. I have not regretted it one bit and I > have enjoyed the boat summer and winter for 3 years now. > > The problems on your boat seem to be pretty dire with the main concerns > being the hull to deck joint and the missing bulkheads. Without going into > a lot of detail I would guess your are looking at least $7000 worth of > material and over a year of out-of-the water labor. At the end of the > project you will have a 42 year old boat and unless you can work miracles, > a boat that is probably only worth $2000 if your lucky. > > I am sure many will disagree, but there is a finite life-span to any boat > and my advise would be to save your time and money and find yourself a > younger Rhodes 22 and be back on the water for summer. > > Cheers > > > > > > ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > Richard Beytagh > Phone: 828 337 0180 > >> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:57 PM, kg4ezq wrote: >> >> My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm looking >> for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're >> all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really >> appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in >> getting my boat back on the water. >> >> I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and >> easily >> more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from the >> boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got it. >> The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was sailing >> in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was >> hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up, >> but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to >> the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's >> about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come >> up visibly. >> >> Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the >> furler >> is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky >> enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it. >> The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth >> repairing them instead of replacing them. >> >> I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many >> other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then >> inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and >> most >> of these projects will require me to learn new skills. >> >> These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into >> consideration: >> >> 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead >> for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The >> bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat >> needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a >> complete restoration of the cabin. >> >> 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, but >> failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of >> collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the >> original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done. >> >> 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual >> spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner I >> bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However, >> the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at >> two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help >> around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead >> beside >> the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to >> be >> reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also, >> a >> previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette >> beneath >> the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I take >> the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped. >> >> 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of >> effort >> do not leak. >> >> 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where the >> port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which >> attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However >> this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint >> may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability. >> >> 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the >> trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not >> of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig. >> >> 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it may >> be bent. >> >> 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the >> centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired if >> I restore the original design. >> >> 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed >> despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are present. >> >> 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has >> added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the >> floor >> with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a raised >> spot. >> >> 11) Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be >> replaced. >> >> 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast step, >> and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some >> point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this >> could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or >> apparent deformation topside. >> >> Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I >> think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in >> mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year >> old boat? >> >> Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input. >> >> Jason >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. >> nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120.html >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 1st pic waif.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 63661 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Tue May 2 18:45:12 2017 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Tue, 2 May 2017 22:45:12 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com>, Message-ID: <75C4359F-A7B1-4FD8-8E98-339496DC6845@cowieassociates.com> Donate your boat to the general boats fund. Stan can use it to grow chickens. Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ?202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image005.png at 01CE8701.15794830] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On May 2, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Richard Beytagh > wrote: Hi Jason...I brought my 1984 R22 back from the brink with a lot less work than you seem to have. The total cost to me was about $3500 and it took me about a year to get it completed. I have not regretted it one bit and I have enjoyed the boat summer and winter for 3 years now. The problems on your boat seem to be pretty dire with the main concerns being the hull to deck joint and the missing bulkheads. Without going into a lot of detail I would guess your are looking at least $7000 worth of material and over a year of out-of-the water labor. At the end of the project you will have a 42 year old boat and unless you can work miracles, a boat that is probably only worth $2000 if your lucky. I am sure many will disagree, but there is a finite life-span to any boat and my advise would be to save your time and money and find yourself a younger Rhodes 22 and be back on the water for summer. Cheers ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:57 PM, kg4ezq > wrote: My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm looking for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in getting my boat back on the water. I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and easily more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from the boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got it. The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was sailing in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up, but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come up visibly. Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the furler is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it. The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth repairing them instead of replacing them. I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and most of these projects will require me to learn new skills. These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into consideration: 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a complete restoration of the cabin. 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, but failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done. 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner I bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However, the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead beside the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to be reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also, a previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette beneath the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I take the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped. 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of effort do not leak. 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where the port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability. 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig. 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it may be bent. 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired if I restore the original design. 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are present. 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the floor with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a raised spot. 11) Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be replaced. 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast step, and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or apparent deformation topside. Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year old boat? Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input. Jason -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <75C4359F-A7B1-4FD8-8E98-339496DC6845@cowieassociates.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <75C4359F-A7B1-4FD8-8E98-339496DC6845@cowieassociates.com> Message-ID: <688611749.1294845.1493774954359@mail.yahoo.com> Maybe the chickens would enjoy your boat as much as you have. ?Sounds like too much to repair. ?I agree with all that has been said and would urge you to talk with Stan about another boat. ?This way you will continue to enjoy your time sailing rather than re-building. ?Stan set me up with my second Rhodes 5 years ago, and I have no regrets! DonIthaca, NY From: Chris Cowie To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Tuesday, May 2, 2017 6:45 PM Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? Donate your boat to the general boats fund.? Stan can use it to grow chickens. Christopher P. Cowie? [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]? [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ?202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image005.png at 01CE8701.15794830] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On May 2, 2017, at 5:50 PM, Richard Beytagh > wrote: Hi Jason...I brought my 1984 R22 back from the brink with a lot less work than you seem to have. The total cost to me was about $3500 and? it took me about a year to get it completed. I have not regretted it one bit and I have enjoyed the boat summer and winter for 3 years now. The problems on your boat seem to be pretty dire with the main concerns being the hull to deck joint and the missing bulkheads. Without going into a lot of detail I would guess your are looking at? least $7000 worth of material and over a year of out-of-the water labor. At the end of the project you will have a 42 year old boat and unless you can work miracles, a boat that is probably only worth $2000 if your lucky. I am sure many will disagree, but there is a finite life-span to any boat and my advise would be to save your time and money and find yourself a younger Rhodes 22 and be back on the water for summer. Cheers ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:57 PM, kg4ezq > wrote: My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm looking for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in getting my boat back on the water. I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and easily more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from the boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got it. The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was sailing in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up, but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come up visibly. Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the furler is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it. The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth repairing them instead of replacing them. I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and most of these projects will require me to learn new skills. These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into consideration: 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a complete restoration of the cabin. 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, but failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done. 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner I bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However, the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead beside the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to be reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also, a previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette beneath the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I take the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped. 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of effort do not leak. 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where the port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability. 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig. 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it may be bent. 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired if I restore the original design. 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are present. 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the floor with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a raised spot. 11)? Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be replaced. 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast step, and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or apparent deformation topside. Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year old boat? Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input. Jason -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 1st pic waif.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63661 bytes Desc: not available URL: __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From sprocket80 at mail.com Tue May 2 22:15:45 2017 From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 04:15:45 +0200 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Jason, My suggestion is to salvage all of the usable parts, if you plan to get another Rhodes and fix it up, and haul the hull to the dump. Todd T. ? Sent:?Tuesday, May 02, 2017 at 4:57 PM From:?kg4ezq To:?rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject:?[Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm looking for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in getting my boat back on the water. I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and easily more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from the boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got it. The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was sailing in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up, but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come up visibly. Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the furler is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it. The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth repairing them instead of replacing them. I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and most of these projects will require me to learn new skills. These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into consideration: 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a complete restoration of the cabin. 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, but failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done. 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner I bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However, the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead beside the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to be reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also, a previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette beneath the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I take the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped. 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of effort do not leak. 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where the port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability. 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig. 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it may be bent. 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired if I restore the original design. 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are present. 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the floor with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a raised spot. 11) Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be replaced. 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast step, and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or apparent deformation topside. Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year old boat? Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input. Jason -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list[http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list] For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list[http://www.rhodes22.org/list] __________________________________________________ From cjlowe at sssnet.com Wed May 3 11:08:16 2017 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 11:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <56576.24.140.30.102.1493824096.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> There are a few unknowns here that might factor into your decision. 1- does the boat have a IMF MAST? If it is not IMF MAST, YOUR MISSING OUT ON ONE Of the finest features of the Rhodes. 2- Do you have the time to repair this in a reasonable time frame? If you are still working, could you get more hours at your present job or find other source of income to upgrade to a newer Rhodes? As said before, you are looking at over $5000 just to get it in sailing condition, not counting labor. Not to mention not sailing until you put in a couple hundred hours of work. 3- Where do you sail? A protected lake doesn't require as good of rig as coastal or Great Lake. 4- How old are you? There's a big difference if your 20 years old and have 50 years of sailing left, or 65 years old and have 5 years of sailing left. If this was my decision , I would upgrade to a newer model,that has 30 or 40 more features that you still won't have when you get your boat repaired. Things like a head , working galley, nice interior, good electricial system, better motor,diamond board, nice motor mount , and on an on. I think you can spend $10000 on an upgraded boat ,and still come out ahead, plus not miss a beat sailing. If you enjoy sailing more than working on a sailboat, is there really question about what to do? My thoughts, Gerald Lowe Country Rhodes '86 > > My suggestion is to salvage all of the usable parts, if you plan to get > another Rhodes > and fix it up, and haul the hull to the dump. > Todd T. > ?? > > Sent:??Tuesday, May 02, 2017 at 4:57 PM > From:??kg4ezq > To:??rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject:??[Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? > My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm > looking > for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're > all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really > appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in > getting my boat back on the water. > > I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and > easily > more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from > the > boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got > it. > The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was > sailing > in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was > hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up, > but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to > the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's > about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come > up visibly. > > Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the > furler > is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky > enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it. > The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth > repairing them instead of replacing them. > > I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many > other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then > inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and > most > of these projects will require me to learn new skills. > > These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into > consideration: > > 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead > for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The > bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat > needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a > complete restoration of the cabin. > > 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, > but > failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of > collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the > original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done. > > 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual > spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner > I > bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However, > the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at > two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help > around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead > beside > the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to > be > reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also, > a > previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette > beneath > the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I > take > the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped. > > 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of > effort > do not leak. > > 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where > the > port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which > attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However > this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint > may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability. > > 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the > trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not > of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig. > > 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it > may > be bent. > > 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the > centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired > if > I restore the original design. > > 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed > despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are > present. > > 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has > added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the > floor > with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a > raised > spot. > > 11) Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be > replaced. > > 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast > step, > and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some > point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this > could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or > apparent deformation topside. > > Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I > think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in > mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year > old boat? > > Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input. > > Jason > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list[http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list] > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list[http://www.rhodes22.org/list] > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed May 3 13:07:35 2017 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 13:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <01b001d2c42f$c2b9cff0$482d6fd0$@ca> Jason: That is quite a list of problems - some serious and all are expensive as everything related to boats is expensive. I doubt that the centreboard is bent. I expect that the inside walls of the housing are bulging. That is a particularly nasty repair to undertake. You should check the deck very carefully to determine the extent of delimitation and, in particular, whether there is water in the core. Replacing the core is another very nasty job. These two jobs alone, if necessary, should make you give very serious reservations about the reconstruction of the boat. Fixing deck cracks usually involves grinding out the area and filling with layers of glass before adding the filler for fairing. Fairing takes a long time for a novice as inevitably you end up doing it repeatedly until to finally figure out what you are doing. If the compression post is failing I suspect that the structure under the base is also failing and along with that the stringers under the floor boards. That, along with the bulkhead issues probably means that you will need to completely replace the interior of the boat. I did that last summer. On the other hand, redoing the hull-deck join is not all that difficult or time consuming and is much lass daunting than some of the other repairs that you listed. I have completely rebuilt my 76 Rhodes - tackling most of the problems you mention and many more. That wasn't the plan when I started but once I got into the project the list of what was needed kept growing until it involved a complete restoration and rebuild. I expect to launch this summer provided I don't have major distractions. I started in 2009 so it took a lot of time. I am not particularly fast (actually very slow) and can't work on the boat for 6 months of the year. I was also highly inexperienced and had to figure out everything as a novice. I spent as much time "researching" on the internet as I did actually doing the work. Some of what I did included: - completely rebuilt the interior including the floor stringers up, - replaced all of the ports with a one-piece acrylic cover installed without hardware. - fixed extensive deck delimitation by replacing core material throughout the foredeck and injected epoxy throughout the rest of the side decks where there was delimitation but no water intrusion. That also involved apply a new layer of fibreglass over the entire deck, - opened up the ports and inserted epoxy coated plywood throughout the cabin sides between the outer sidewalls and the liner - that was probably completely unnecessary and it took up a lot of the time, - removed the inner chain plates the hard way and installed a different arrangement for them, - repaired the keel - including a major crack the want around the entire Keel on the bottom, and filled voids that I found inside the keel with 3 gallons of resin. I am not sure how many voids remain. I fibreglassed the entire keel, faired etc. stripped the entire bottom and repaired extensive osmosis, recoated with epoxy and repainted the bottom - an awful job, - repaired the rudder and centreboard by filling voids, repairing osmosis, etc., - replaced all thru-hulls and in the cockpit installed plush mounted thru-hulls which required some fibreglass work, - spray painted the entire deck and cockpit, applied non-skid throughout the deck and cockpit. - rebuilt the hull-deck join by glassing the join throughout the cabin on the inside, resealed the join and replaced all rivets before adding a new rub rail. - to do all this I had to build a boat lift that would securely hold the boat aloft while I worked on the bottom of the keel. That was another effort that took far longer than I imagined when I thought I could build it in a weekend. - I am now in the process of replacing the holding tank, head and all plumbing, replacing all wiring and lights (moved the navigation lights to the pulpit) and reinstalling the rigging. I expect that I will need a new furler. That isn't everything - just the highlights. I have two points in telling you this sad tale of folly: yes, some people do rebuild old boats and a person with no experience can apparently do just about anything that is required. However, remember that regardless how long your list is, when you start to get engaged in the process that list will grow exponentially as you discover new issues or realize that since you have gone so far there are other things that should be addressed at the same time. I started out thinking I was just going to fix the deck delimitation and ended up with virtually a bare hull to wok from - and that needed extensive work. I should have realized this as it was the secong boat the I undertook major renovations on. The first took 10 years. Finally, the cash outlay certainly exceeded the value of the boat then and even now that the work has been done. I could have purchased a newer boat for what it cost although "newer" does not mean "New" and there may well be repairs needed there as well unless you spend big bucks for a new or rebuilt Rhodes. Not everyone has that option available to them. The work is difficult to justify on a cost basis and takes more time than you can imagine. So if you just want a boat to sail I think you should replace it. However, if you really love working on boats - at least as much as you enjoy sailing as that is what you give up to do the repairs - and don't really mind spending hours and even weeks crawling around in hot sweaty clothes through mounds of fibreglass dust, you want to learn how it works and enjoy the challenge of a big project then you can end up with a very nice boat. Graham Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of kg4ezq Sent: May 2, 2017 4:58 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm looking for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in getting my boat back on the water. I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and easily more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from the boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got it. The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was sailing in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up, but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come up visibly. Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the furler is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it. The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth repairing them instead of replacing them. I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and most of these projects will require me to learn new skills. These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into consideration: 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a complete restoration of the cabin. 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, but failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done. 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner I bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However, the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead beside the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to be reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also, a previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette beneath the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I take the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped. 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of effort do not leak. 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where the port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability. 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig. 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it may be bent. 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired if I restore the original design. 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are present. 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the floor with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a raised spot. 11) Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be replaced. 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast step, and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or apparent deformation topside. Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year old boat? Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input. Jason -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Wed May 3 13:10:48 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 10:10:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1493831448977-53130.post@n5.nabble.com> She has fulfilled her duty. Let her go. You sail too much to trust a patched up boat. The man hours to restore strength would put you in new boat territory. But you likely have too many fittings and useful bits to waste. If the boat fits your wants, get another one. As others have noted, the boat has improved steadily decade by decade since 1960. Only the shape remained the same. I rented one waiting refit that was 1980's level but Stan teased me with the IMF and traveler. No way a convenience minded sailor could resist that. The refitted 2002 I bought feels very different when overnighting, or just chilling in the marina waiting for the rain to stop. The older level interior was a Catalina compared to the 2002. Stan will do partial refits where you get a clean serviceable boat brought to your specifications, or one that is literally like new. When I saw Stan's yard a couple years ago there were several boats of different vintages including one veteran that had logged 80,000 miles on the great lakes. They know the boat well and give honest advice on hulls there. If you have a trailer and time I'd haul the old one down, walk through the yard, pick a hull that suits your needs and budget, and rent a boat off him for a few days to explore the Abermarle while he transfers salvageable fittings and fits one out ready to sail. I really wish I had the freedom to be back there this spring. Anybody that sails as much as you managed to do should not be deprived by a drydocked boat. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53130.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sjcclu at msn.com Wed May 3 17:16:27 2017 From: sjcclu at msn.com (sjcongdon) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 14:16:27 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1493846187154-53131.post@n5.nabble.com> Jason. ,i most probably have every thing you need to get back on the water. Phone me for a brief chat. 419 366 "9011 S j Congdon on San dusky bay ----- sjcclu -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53131.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jason_q at jasonquick.com Wed May 3 20:34:48 2017 From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (kg4ezq) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 17:34:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks all for the advice. It's not really a surprise that nobody thinks it's worth restoring the boat, but it's much easier to make that decision with your input. Now can I interest any of you interested in an exciting project boat opportunity? Jason -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53132.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Colealexander at hotmail.com Wed May 3 23:32:44 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Wed, 3 May 2017 20:32:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> No. Can I interest you in an exciting chain saw opportunity? ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53133.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From cjlowe at sssnet.com Thu May 4 11:15:38 2017 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 11:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I wanna hear the chain saw story!!! Jerry Lowe > No. Can I interest you in an exciting chain saw opportunity? > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53133.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From jason_q at jasonquick.com Thu May 4 11:26:57 2017 From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (kg4ezq) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 08:26:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <1493911617249-53135.post@n5.nabble.com> While we're at it someone really needs to explain the chicken thing... -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53135.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Thu May 4 11:40:28 2017 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 15:40:28 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493911617249-53135.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1493911617249-53135.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: It's organic Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of kg4ezq Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 11:27 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? While we're at it someone really needs to explain the chicken thing... -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53135.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu May 4 12:18:34 2017 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 12:18:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493911617249-53135.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1493911617249-53135.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I don?t recall the mention of chickens, but it was probably a reference to the fact that the General Boats factory has a few chickens wandering about, or did the last time I was there. ?Peter > On May 4, 2017, at 11:26 AM, kg4ezq wrote: > > While we're at it someone really needs to explain the chicken thing... > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53135.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu May 4 12:31:00 2017 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 12:31:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <004501d2c4f3$d238cac0$76aa6040$@ebsmed.com> I wanna see the video! Please post it to da list. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cjlowe at sssnet.com Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:16 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? I wanna hear the chain saw story!!! Jerry Lowe > No. Can I interest you in an exciting chain saw opportunity? > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53133 > .html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From joedempsey at hughes.net Thu May 4 12:35:39 2017 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 09:35:39 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Teak In-Reply-To: References: <1492786183126-53057.post@n5.nabble.com> <01c101d2bacf$1c3cf800$54b6e800$@hughes.net> Message-ID: <1493915739056-53139.post@n5.nabble.com> Rick, I'm in process of mounting new motor. Previous owner had what looked like a motor tiller control on the end of cable extensions. I have a remote control like you show in your cockpit photo. How did you deal with the throttle and shift cable routing and maintaining the minimum radius coming off of the engine into the cockpit? How did you route them from above the transom into the lazarette? ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Marshall,VA -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/New-Teak-tp51959p53139.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu May 4 12:49:25 2017 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 12:49:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Teak In-Reply-To: <1493915739056-53139.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1492786183126-53057.post@n5.nabble.com> <01c101d2bacf$1c3cf800$54b6e800$@hughes.net> <1493915739056-53139.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: JP, How similar is your new motor to your old motor? I have an Evinrude which is a no-brainer for remote control. Rick On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:35 PM, JP Dempsey wrote: > Rick, > I'm in process of mounting new motor. Previous owner had what looked like a > motor tiller control on the end of cable extensions. I have a remote > control like you show in your cockpit photo. How did you deal with the > throttle and shift cable routing and maintaining the minimum radius coming > off of the engine into the cockpit? How did you route them from above the > transom into the lazarette? > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Marshall,VA > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. > nabble.com/New-Teak-tp51959p53139.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From stan at rhodes22.com Thu May 4 13:12:06 2017 From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 13:12:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1493911617249-53135.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Only 75 cents for an 18 egg carton. But dangerously high Omega 3s. And that's from just eating the box. ss On 5/4/17 11:40 AM, Chris Cowie wrote: > It's organic > > Christopher P. Cowie > > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW > Suite 300 > Washington, DC 20007 > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of kg4ezq > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2017 11:27 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? > > While we're at it someone really needs to explain the chicken thing... > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53135.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From stan at rhodes22.com Thu May 4 13:16:45 2017 From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 13:16:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1493911617249-53135.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <37069798-da39-abd5-eb09-75f5563b70ec@rhodes22.com> 400 last count On 5/4/17 12:18 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > I don?t recall the mention of chickens, but it was probably a reference to the fact that the General Boats factory has a few chickens wandering about, or did the last time I was there. > > ?Peter > >> On May 4, 2017, at 11:26 AM, kg4ezq wrote: >> >> While we're at it someone really needs to explain the chicken thing... >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53135.html >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu May 4 13:38:30 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 10:38:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <1493919510404-53143.post@n5.nabble.com> I was just planning disposal of the dead boat. Only thing I've heard of that isn't complete torture is renting a construction dumpster, stripping off the hardware and cutting it apart with a chainsaw since sawzall blades get dull quickly. Steel toes, long sleeves, and goggles for the fiberglass of course. Is there any salable lead? Always check the lazarette for raccoons, and take plenty of autopsy pictures. http://www.mutineer15.org/mutineer-autopsy.html ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53143.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu May 4 13:48:39 2017 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 13:48:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493919510404-53143.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1493919510404-53143.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: A chainsaw would be dangerous. Not intended for fiberglass. On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 1:38 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > I was just planning disposal of the dead boat. Only thing I've heard of > that isn't complete torture is renting a construction dumpster, stripping > off the hardware and cutting it apart with a chainsaw since sawzall blades > get dull quickly. Steel toes, long sleeves, and goggles for the > fiberglass > of course. Is there any salable lead? Always check the lazarette for > raccoons, and take plenty of autopsy pictures. > > http://www.mutineer15.org/mutineer-autopsy.html > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. > nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53143.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu May 4 14:02:59 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 11:02:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1493919510404-53143.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1493920979031-53145.post@n5.nabble.com> Of course a chainsaw is dangerous, that makes it manly. My bro's wife emasculated him sissified orange kevlar chaps. But most people seem to use the chainsaw unless you can pay a landfill to take it in one piece. I know some people sink them, but if the wreck ends up washed ashore the Coast Guard will look for registration or hull ID and chase down the last owner of record. The bow I once found washed up by Mentor broke off in the middle of the numbers, so they couldn't do much that time. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53145.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From joedempsey at hughes.net Thu May 4 14:10:21 2017 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 11:10:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Teak In-Reply-To: References: <1492786183126-53057.post@n5.nabble.com> <01c101d2bacf$1c3cf800$54b6e800$@hughes.net> <1493915739056-53139.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7B.C0.19202.08E6B095@smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com> I have new Suzuki 4 stroke. Previous motor had no remote control shift the throttle was just like on a tiller model but on a extended cable. Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device From: ml+s1065344n53140h35 at n5.nabble.com Sent: May 4, 2017 12:49 PM To: joedempsey at hughes.net Subject: Re: New Teak JP, How similar is your new motor to your old motor?  I have an Evinrude which is a no-brainer for remote control. Rick On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:35 PM, JP Dempsey < [hidden email] > wrote: > Rick, > I'm in process of mounting new motor. Previous owner had what looked like a > motor tiller control on the end of cable extensions.  I have a remote > control like you show in your cockpit photo. How did you deal with the > throttle and shift cable routing and maintaining the minimum radius coming > off of the engine into the cockpit? How did you route them from above the > transom into the lazarette? > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Marshall,VA > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5 . > nabble.com/New-Teak-tp51959p53139.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/New-Teak-tp51959p53140.html To unsubscribe from New Teak, click here . NAML ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Marshall,VA -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/New-Teak-tp51959p53146.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From joedempsey at hughes.net Thu May 4 15:22:58 2017 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 12:22:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Teak In-Reply-To: References: <1492786183126-53057.post@n5.nabble.com> <01c101d2bacf$1c3cf800$54b6e800$@hughes.net> <1493915739056-53139.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <59.F6.19202.28F7B095@smtp02.hughes.cmh.synacor.com> The two cables connect to the starboard side of the motor. The thru hull opening through the transom is on the port side of the motor lift.  It doesn't seem feasible for those cables to make the 180 back to the starboard side and run to the remote box. Should cables go over or through transom. If through, does lift put too much bind in them? I'm just not seeing how to feed cables to get under cockpit seats. Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device From: ml+s1065344n53140h35 at n5.nabble.com Sent: May 4, 2017 12:49 PM To: joedempsey at hughes.net Subject: Re: New Teak JP, How similar is your new motor to your old motor?  I have an Evinrude which is a no-brainer for remote control. Rick On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 12:35 PM, JP Dempsey < [hidden email] > wrote: > Rick, > I'm in process of mounting new motor. Previous owner had what looked like a > motor tiller control on the end of cable extensions.  I have a remote > control like you show in your cockpit photo. How did you deal with the > throttle and shift cable routing and maintaining the minimum radius coming > off of the engine into the cockpit? How did you route them from above the > transom into the lazarette? > > > > ----- > JP Dempsey > s/v Respite > Marshall,VA > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5 . > nabble.com/New-Teak-tp51959p53139.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/New-Teak-tp51959p53140.html To unsubscribe from New Teak, click here . NAML ----- JP Dempsey s/v Respite Marshall,VA -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/New-Teak-tp51959p53147.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jadoucet at snet.net Thu May 4 22:04:49 2017 From: jadoucet at snet.net (joseph doucet) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 22:04:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <1493920979031-53145.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1493919510404-53143.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493920979031-53145.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <60259D1F-7564-4F02-9C7B-C4459263E2D0@snet.net> I agree, I'd one wishes to dispose of a water craft in an efficient manner.... Chain saw Down hill Joe > On May 4, 2017, at 2:02 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > Of course a chainsaw is dangerous, that makes it manly. My bro's wife > emasculated him sissified orange kevlar chaps. But most people seem to use > the chainsaw unless you can pay a landfill to take it in one piece. I > know some people sink them, but if the wreck ends up washed ashore the Coast > Guard will look for registration or hull ID and chase down the last owner of > record. The bow I once found washed up by Mentor broke off in the middle > of the numbers, so they couldn't do much that time. > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53145.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From jadoucet at snet.net Thu May 4 22:07:14 2017 From: jadoucet at snet.net (joseph doucet) Date: Thu, 4 May 2017 22:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493858088668-53132.post@n5.nabble.com> <1493868764958-53133.post@n5.nabble.com> <58382.24.140.30.102.1493910938.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1493919510404-53143.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9B2DD183-75AE-43C9-AF53-14B5F75F35F7@snet.net> Ok, kick back can be a problem Down hill > On May 4, 2017, at 1:48 PM, Rick wrote: > > A chainsaw would be dangerous. Not intended for fiberglass. > > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 1:38 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > >> I was just planning disposal of the dead boat. Only thing I've heard of >> that isn't complete torture is renting a construction dumpster, stripping >> off the hardware and cutting it apart with a chainsaw since sawzall blades >> get dull quickly. Steel toes, long sleeves, and goggles for the >> fiberglass >> of course. Is there any salable lead? Always check the lazarette for >> raccoons, and take plenty of autopsy pictures. >> >> http://www.mutineer15.org/mutineer-autopsy.html >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. >> nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53143.html >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From daysails at aol.com Fri May 5 02:17:13 2017 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Fri, 5 May 2017 02:17:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: <004501d2c4f3$d238cac0$76aa6040$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <15bd7415036-1877-1e365@webprd-a19.mail.aol.com> I agree with the "let it go guys and go visit Stan." You have our "blessings" Jason. I do want to chime in on the "if you're 65 years old and have 5 years left" comment. I sailed with Stan when he was in his late 80's. I am approaching 74 and look forward to years of sailing ahead. The Rhodes 22 is designed for we weak and feeble and as soon as my Peace Corps term of duty ends, I will be back on board Second Wind. That is if I can wrest her back from my daughter and her friends. . Joe Riley IFSU Ifugoa Philippines. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Weisner To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Sent: Fri, May 5, 2017 12:31 a Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? I wanna see the video! Please post it to da list. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cjlowe at sssnet.com Sent: Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:16 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? I wanna hear the chain saw story!!! Jerry Lowe > No. Can I interest you in an exciting chain saw opportunity? > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120p53133 > .html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sun May 7 15:37:41 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 12:37:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] spreaders ok? In-Reply-To: <1494183202887-53151.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1494183202887-53151.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1494185861226-53152.post@n5.nabble.com> Welcome. Hope you aren't standing there with the mast up waiting for a response... The left spreader (camera's view) looks off. I can't tell if its just the lower shrods crossed for the crane, or something else. The spreaders are bolted to the mast and a deep well socket will access them if something was bent. I think some play is normal, they just transfer the angle of the upper shroud to simulate a wider beam. They should be symmetrical, and angle to bisect the very wide angle of the deflected shroud if that makes sense. The system seems fairly forgiving when I raise the mast, stop untangle shrouds, and repeat. Hopefully others will stumble by soon. Alex SV Lark. Ohio. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/spreaders-ok-tp53151p53152.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stan at rhodes22.com Sun May 7 17:20:36 2017 From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer) Date: Sun, 7 May 2017 17:20:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] spreaders ok? In-Reply-To: <1494185861226-53152.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1494183202887-53151.post@n5.nabble.com> <1494185861226-53152.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1aab260f-86e3-556b-0f73-17e898d3730a@rhodes22.com> sorry Meyer, it is May and I am still in hibernation. If the two little screws on the end caps of the spreader arms are not set too tightly, (they should be set loose enough to allow movement of the upper shrouds) take a long something or other and just gently push the ends of the spreaders up slightly. Theoretically you want the angle on each side of where the spreader meets the upper shroud, to be equal. You will see no difference in performance but you will look much more Nautical in accordance with rules to be looking like a Rhodie at all times. ss On 5/7/17 3:37 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > Welcome. Hope you aren't standing there with the mast up waiting for a > response... > > The left spreader (camera's view) looks off. I can't tell if its just the > lower shrods crossed for the crane, or something else. > > The spreaders are bolted to the mast and a deep well socket will access them > if something was bent. I think some play is normal, they just transfer the > angle of the upper shroud to simulate a wider beam. They should be > symmetrical, and angle to bisect the very wide angle of the deflected shroud > if that makes sense. The system seems fairly forgiving when I raise the > mast, stop untangle shrouds, and repeat. > > Hopefully others will stumble by soon. > > Alex > SV Lark. > Ohio. > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/spreaders-ok-tp53151p53152.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From rlowe at vt.edu Mon May 8 08:46:00 2017 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 12:46:00 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? In-Reply-To: References: <1493758655662-53120.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Jason, I'll chime in my 2 cents and agree it's time to move on. Salvage what you can and find another boat. I had a 74 (my first Rhodes) and am much happier with my 92. Would be interested in seeing pictures if you care to post some. - Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Todd Tavares Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2017 10:16 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? Jason, My suggestion is to salvage all of the usable parts, if you plan to get another Rhodes and fix it up, and haul the hull to the dump. Todd T. ? Sent:?Tuesday, May 02, 2017 at 4:57 PM From:?kg4ezq To:?rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject:?[Rhodes22-list] Time to let it go? My already rather tired '74 recently ran into some bad luck and I'm looking for some input on whether or not it's worth repairing her. Obviously we're all fans of the Rhodes 22 and would hate to see one die, but I'd really appreciate input from people who have some idea of the work involved in getting my boat back on the water. I've had the boat for nearly a year and have sailed almost daily, and easily more than anyone else in the marina. I feel like I've gotten a lot from the boat despite the fact that it already had a number of issues when I got it. The possibly fatal blow came a couple of weekends ago though. I was sailing in a strong breeze when my forestay failed due to some corrosion that was hidden by the furler. The extra wires did their job and kept the mast up, but because the full 175 was unfurled they transferred an immense load to the cabin top, resulting in hull-deck separation on both sides. There's about a 6ft area on starboard and 1ft area on port where the deck has come up visibly. Additionally the genoa suffered at least $200 worth of damage and the furler is probably a loss as well. I already have another furler that I was lucky enough to pick up used, but I'll have to have the sail modified to use it. The sails are both blown out originals, so it's questionable if it's worth repairing them instead of replacing them. I should also add that this is (or possibly was) my first boat and many other problems existed when I bought it but were invisible to my then inexperienced eye. I am not a master naval architect by any stretch and most of these projects will require me to learn new skills. These additional pre-existing problems also need to be taken into consideration: 1) The cabin was extensively modified by a previous owner and the bulkhead for the head was removed, as well as most other woodwork in the cabin. The bulkhead at the back of the v-berth is also gone, so to my eye the boat needs some bulkheads restored to add stiffness at a minimum, and perhaps a complete restoration of the cabin. 2) The previous owner that modified the cabin added a compression post, but failed to use stainless hardware and the post appears to be in danger of collapsing. The way it's constructed currently prevents restoration of the original bulkhead design, so it'll have to be completely re-done. 3) The deck shows signs of stress in various places, including the usual spider cracks along the benches. The benches were reinforced by the owner I bought the boat from, and I don't think the cracks are spreading. However, the pushpit had no backing plates and has pushed through the fiberglass at two of the mounting points and there are other small areas that need help around the boat. There's also about a fist sized area in the bulkhead beside the companionway that appears to have been badly patched and will have to be reconstructed. This was hidden by an accessory plate until recently. Also, a previous owner cut holes for speakers in the front of the lazarrette beneath the benches which in my mind need to be removed and re-sealed before I take the boat anywhere there's a chance of getting swamped. 4) All of the portlights are in poor condition but thanks to a lot of effort do not leak. 5) There was recently some hull-deck joint failure at the transom where the port chainplate was attached, there are now new, longer chainplates which attach the deck to the hull and the deck-joint has been repaired. However this combined with the new damage suggests that the entire hull-deck joint may need to be re-done. I'm not sure this is within my ability. 6) Some of the other rigging is in questionable condition, and after the trauma of the forestay failure and now that I know some of the wire is not of the correct type I'm inclined to replace the entire rig. 7) My centerboard often gets stuck up. The prevailing theory is that it may be bent. 8) The electrical panel was moved to an area that should be covered by the centerboard trunk step, and so most of the boat will have to be re-wired if I restore the original design. 9) The water tank and the plumbing for it is gone or was never installed despite the fact that a sink with faucet and functioning drain are present. 10) The cockpit floor is unsupported; it looks like someone (factory?) has added supports to stiffen the floor but these don't actually reach the floor with the exception of one 4x4 post in the center, which has caused a raised spot. 11) Nearly all of the running rigging is chafed and tired and needs to be replaced. 12) I have some concerns about the state of the coring under the mast step, and there has been water intrusion along the mast electrical wires at some point. There are signs of possible deformation from the inside, but this could also just be variations in the liner. There are no soft spots or apparent deformation topside. Of course there are other smaller issues as well, but these are the ones I think will suck up the most time or money to address. So with all this in mind, what do you guys think about the viability of restoring this 42 year old boat? Thanks in advance for the thoughtful input. Jason -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Time-to-let-it-go-tp53120.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list[http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list] For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list[http://www.rhodes22.org/list] __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From waldjh1 at gmail.com Mon May 8 12:01:45 2017 From: waldjh1 at gmail.com (John Waldhausen) Date: Mon, 8 May 2017 09:01:45 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale Message-ID: <63F95D6E-A3F8-44C4-A70C-74763692AA82@gmail.com> Dear all, My wife and I have decided to sell our Rhodes. New in 2013 we wanted a larger boat to accommodate our family. It's a difficult decision really because it's so much fun. Because of my time constraints I put it up on Yacht world with the people at Sail Northwest helping sell it. Other than a new fiberglass tiller from Stan it's all original in excellent shape. I don't have a trailer as I kept it in the water and sailed all year. If you know of anyone looking in the northwest it wouldn't be too difficult to get to them. John Bainbridge Island From jac2 at wavecable.com Fri May 12 16:35:20 2017 From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry) Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 13:35:20 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2012 Factory Refurbished Rhodes 22 for sale Message-ID: <69C8630B309A42E1A6145B7CED0AD3C6@Officepc> Reason for selling: We have been very happy with this boat. It is fun to sail, easy to single hand and capable of extended trips. But our interests have changed and we will be searching for a larger blue water cruiser. If you have an interest or know someone who might, please contact us off list for details and pictures at jac2 at wavecable.com Rhodes 22 dark Blue Hull, black bottom paint Purchased via Factory refurbished Program in 2012 Picked by us in Edenton, NC and trailered back to Sequim, WA Current condition is as good as at purchase Kept seasonally (Apr Thru Sep) at John Wayne Marina, Sequim, WA Used exclusively in salt water since purchase Features Purchased: - 1992 Hull Factory Refurbished like new in 2012 - Biminis, Pop Top Cover - Ice Box/Fridge - Butane Stove - Powered Sink Faucet - Furling Main and 175% Jib - Jib Sheet winches - Mast Raising Winch - Winch Engine Lift - In Mast Wiring for VHF antennae and Lights - New (2012) Dual Axle Triad Trailer with drum Brakes - Porta-potty - Water Tank - Two Optima 34M 50AH Batteries with switch - Shore Power and switch panel - Seat Cushions - Mast Cradle - 2012 Tohatsu 4 stroke 6HP Sail Pro Engine (58 Lbs) Changes/Additions since purchase - Boat - Replaced old water tank for 14 Gallon tank with clean out access - Installed Bilge Pump (never used - no water in bilge to date) - Installed LED lighting for all interior and exterior lights - Replaced engine lift winch with a manual 4 pulley lift - Installed wiring , mount and sensor for new Humminbird 858 DI Chart Plotter - Purchased a 100% jib from Doyle dealer in Seattle - Installed under seat mounts and bracket for 3 gallon fuel tank - Carpeted rear storage area - New Carpet for cabin - Added offset Mast top Bracket for wind vane - Installed manual lighted compass (needs to be reconfigured) - Canvas covers for winches and tiller - New interior set covers - Trailer - Installed new stainless steel disc brakes on all four wheels - Removed steel brake lines, connections and Tongue Extension Disconnect - Installed rubber brake lines with brass connectors and coiled extension Performance/maintenance: - Engine pushes boat easily at 5+ knots at less than half throttle - Engine winterized and oil changed each season - 100% jib allows for self-tailing and easy handling in heavy winds - With 100% Jib Boat can easily reach at 5 knots in light winds and 6 knots in moderate winds - With 175% Jib boat will move much faster in light winds - Normal average speed with 100% jib in steady light winds is 4.5 to 5.5 Knots - Bottom cleaned by a marine service every two months during the season - New bottom paint February 2017 with Seahawk Sharkskin Other: Items below are available with boat if desired - Original Engine Winch - Humminbird 858 DI Chart Plotter From rlowe at vt.edu Fri May 12 17:14:23 2017 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 21:14:23 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale In-Reply-To: <63F95D6E-A3F8-44C4-A70C-74763692AA82@gmail.com> References: <63F95D6E-A3F8-44C4-A70C-74763692AA82@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1ba53c1f2558435faf6d12cffdc95981@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu> John, This your listing I assume? - rob http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2013/Rhodes-Continental-3083484/Seattle---At-Our-Docks/WA/United-States#.WRYlF9y1taQ -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:02 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale Dear all, My wife and I have decided to sell our Rhodes. New in 2013 we wanted a larger boat to accommodate our family. It's a difficult decision really because it's so much fun. Because of my time constraints I put it up on Yacht world with the people at Sail Northwest helping sell it. Other than a new fiberglass tiller from Stan it's all original in excellent shape. I don't have a trailer as I kept it in the water and sailed all year. If you know of anyone looking in the northwest it wouldn't be too difficult to get to them. John Bainbridge Island __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From waldjh1 at gmail.com Fri May 12 19:53:14 2017 From: waldjh1 at gmail.com (John Waldhausen) Date: Fri, 12 May 2017 16:53:14 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale In-Reply-To: <1ba53c1f2558435faf6d12cffdc95981@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu> References: <63F95D6E-A3F8-44C4-A70C-74763692AA82@gmail.com> <1ba53c1f2558435faf6d12cffdc95981@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu> Message-ID: <4785CB73-6F48-4BE8-B7E2-2C637694F912@gmail.com> Yes it is. There is also the boom room that Art Czerwonkie made. It's not something that Stan made. Art made them himself. I never put it on. It cost about 1500 but I was afraid to put in the snaps myself that are required to attach it. But I have all the pieces so if someone wants the boat, they can have the cover as well. I would function well as a winter cover too. John Waldhausen Sent from my iPad > On May 12, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > John, > This your listing I assume? - rob > > http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2013/Rhodes-Continental-3083484/Seattle---At-Our-Docks/WA/United-States#.WRYlF9y1taQ > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of John Waldhausen > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:02 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale > > Dear all, > My wife and I have decided to sell our Rhodes. New in 2013 we wanted a larger boat to accommodate our family. It's a difficult decision really because it's so much fun. Because of my time constraints I put it up on Yacht world with the people at Sail Northwest helping sell it. Other than a new fiberglass tiller from Stan it's all original in excellent shape. I don't have a trailer as I kept it in the water and sailed all year. If you know of anyone looking in the northwest it wouldn't be too difficult to get to them. > > John > Bainbridge Island > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From rbeytagh at gmail.com Sat May 13 09:28:25 2017 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Sat, 13 May 2017 09:28:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale In-Reply-To: <4785CB73-6F48-4BE8-B7E2-2C637694F912@gmail.com> References: <63F95D6E-A3F8-44C4-A70C-74763692AA82@gmail.com> <1ba53c1f2558435faf6d12cffdc95981@MARCONI.cc.w2k.vt.edu> <4785CB73-6F48-4BE8-B7E2-2C637694F912@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry to see John and Julie leave the Rhodie clan. This is truly a beautiful boat and is a bargain at this price. Several year's ago Stan asked me if could haul this boat from Edenton NC to Seattle (about 3000 miles) and so after a quick crash course on how the mast-raising system worked, I did it. I so enjoyed seeing the countryside, meeting the new owners and seeing a little of Seattle that it kick-started my ongoing boat hauling activities. I wish you many more sailing days in that beautiful part of the world ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 7:53 PM, John Waldhausen wrote: > Yes it is. There is also the boom room that Art Czerwonkie made. It's not > something that Stan made. Art made them himself. I never put it on. It cost > about 1500 but I was afraid to put in the snaps myself that are required to > attach it. But I have all the pieces so if someone wants the boat, they can > have the cover as well. I would function well as a winter cover too. > > John Waldhausen > Sent from my iPad > > > On May 12, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > John, > > This your listing I assume? - rob > > > > http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2013/Rhodes-Continental- > 3083484/Seattle---At-Our-Docks/WA/United-States#.WRYlF9y1taQ > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of John Waldhausen > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:02 PM > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale > > > > Dear all, > > My wife and I have decided to sell our Rhodes. New in 2013 we wanted a > larger boat to accommodate our family. It's a difficult decision really > because it's so much fun. Because of my time constraints I put it up on > Yacht world with the people at Sail Northwest helping sell it. Other than a > new fiberglass tiller from Stan it's all original in excellent shape. I > don't have a trailer as I kept it in the water and sailed all year. If you > know of anyone looking in the northwest it wouldn't be too difficult to get > to them. > > > > John > > Bainbridge Island > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list ______________________________ > ____________________ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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John Waldhausen Sent from my iPad > On May 13, 2017, at 6:28 AM, Richard Beytagh wrote: > > Sorry to see John and Julie leave the Rhodie clan. This is truly a > beautiful boat and is a bargain at this price. > > Several year's ago Stan asked me if could haul this boat from Edenton NC to > Seattle (about 3000 miles) and so after a quick crash course on how the > mast-raising system worked, I did it. I so enjoyed seeing the countryside, > meeting the new owners and seeing a little of Seattle that it kick-started > my ongoing boat hauling activities. > > I wish you many more sailing days in that beautiful part of the world > > > > > > ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > Richard Beytagh > Phone: 828 337 0180 > >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 7:53 PM, John Waldhausen wrote: >> >> Yes it is. There is also the boom room that Art Czerwonkie made. It's not >> something that Stan made. Art made them himself. I never put it on. It cost >> about 1500 but I was afraid to put in the snaps myself that are required to >> attach it. But I have all the pieces so if someone wants the boat, they can >> have the cover as well. I would function well as a winter cover too. >> >> John Waldhausen >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On May 12, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: >>> >>> John, >>> This your listing I assume? - rob >>> >>> http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/2013/Rhodes-Continental- >> 3083484/Seattle---At-Our-Docks/WA/United-States#.WRYlF9y1taQ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of John Waldhausen >>> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2017 12:02 PM >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For sale >>> >>> Dear all, >>> My wife and I have decided to sell our Rhodes. New in 2013 we wanted a >> larger boat to accommodate our family. It's a difficult decision really >> because it's so much fun. Because of my time constraints I put it up on >> Yacht world with the people at Sail Northwest helping sell it. Other than a >> new fiberglass tiller from Stan it's all original in excellent shape. I >> don't have a trailer as I kept it in the water and sailed all year. If you >> know of anyone looking in the northwest it wouldn't be too difficult to get >> to them. >>> >>> John >>> Bainbridge Island >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list ______________________________ >> ____________________ >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Cross country Haul - WYM.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 143648 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: seattle 2.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 112567 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: seattle 3.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 78084 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From jason_q at jasonquick.com Wed May 17 11:41:38 2017 From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (kg4ezq) Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 08:41:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used non-IMF mainsail for sale Message-ID: <1495035698110-53163.post@n5.nabble.com> Hello all, My 74 R22 is no longer with us, but her mainsail is available. It's in good shape with 3 good battens, no significant stains, no patches or other damage but is quite old and has definitely stretched over the years. I was sailing it almost daily until a mishap forced me to retire my boat. If you're looking for a spare sail or a cheap replacement to hold you over for a while this would a good option, and since it looks like my next boat is not going to be a Rhodes :( it's priced to move. Send me a message if interested. I'm in the Central Florida area and am happy to arrange a pick up for a local Rhodie. I didn't think to photograph it before I bagged it but if you're interested and would like a photo I'll get it out and get some pics. --Jason -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Used-non-IMF-mainsail-for-sale-tp53163.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From stan at rhodes22.com Thu May 18 13:02:53 2017 From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 13:02:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end Message-ID: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you are): As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who can make it, if I can, will see you then. stan From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu May 18 13:24:00 2017 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 13:24:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: Fair winds, Stan. Regards, Rick s/v Blue Heron From geoffreylfarrell at gmail.com Thu May 18 15:07:37 2017 From: geoffreylfarrell at gmail.com (Geoff Farrell) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 14:07:37 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: Goodbye Stan. Thanks for the great experiences and memories. Take some well deserved rest. Geoff On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Stan Spitzer wrote: > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you > are): > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is > tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of > death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the > Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out > at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and > plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun > adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who > can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > stan > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailma > n/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Thu May 18 15:16:56 2017 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 19:16:56 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: >From this side of the equation; it has been a great run. Stan, I truly hope you can say the same. Never have I known one who deserves a great run more than you. Sent from my iPhone Charles Nieman s/v Blue Feather 84 R 22 .... passed to next owner in 2012 s/v Daydream 98 R 22 .... still sailing > On May 18, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Stan Spitzer wrote: > > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you are): > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > stan > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu May 18 22:04:28 2017 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:04:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <004101d2d044$3f77e020$be67a060$@ca> Stan: This must mark a sad time for you but it also marks an astonishing achievement. You are an inspiration. I hope life is kinder to you going forward than t has be lately. All the best, Graham Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer Sent: May 18, 2017 1:03 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you are): As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who can make it, if I can, will see you then. stan __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From daysails at aol.com Thu May 18 22:34:55 2017 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:34:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <004101d2d044$3f77e020$be67a060$@ca> Message-ID: <15c1e8ed33f-1073-31c5@webprd-m102.mail.aol.com> Stan, You, Elton, Rose, the boat and the General Boat's crew all inspiring. I would have missed the true experience of owning a Rhodes 22 had I not had the opportunity to meet, learn about and learn from you. Hope to see you at the Boat Show. Joe Riley s/v Second Wind, Lake Hartwell. -----Original Message----- From: Graham Stewart To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Sent: Fri, May 19, 2017 10:04 am Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end Stan: This must mark a sad time for you but it also marks an astonishing achievement. You are an inspiration. I hope life is kinder to you going forward than t has be lately. All the best, Graham Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer Sent: May 18, 2017 1:03 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you are): As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who can make it, if I can, will see you then. stan __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Fri May 19 00:37:23 2017 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 00:37:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <2E99D723-264B-4465-BD4C-FFB052CD4A84@gmail.com> Best Boat Company EVER! One day we can sail the Crystal Sea together! > On May 18, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Geoff Farrell wrote: > > Goodbye Stan. Thanks for the great experiences and memories. Take some well > deserved rest. Geoff > >> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Stan Spitzer wrote: >> >> To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you >> are): >> >> >> As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is >> tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. >> >> Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of >> death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the >> Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. >> >> For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out >> at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and >> plant projects under way, continue being honored. >> >> Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun >> adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who >> can make it, if I can, will see you then. >> >> stan >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailma >> n/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Fri May 19 06:39:14 2017 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 06:39:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <004101d2d044$3f77e020$be67a060$@ca> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> <004101d2d044$3f77e020$be67a060$@ca> Message-ID: Stan: Have you selected anyone to pass the torch to? It would be more fitting that the vessel and legacy continue on to honor the efforts of you, ? Rose, and your brother. May God bless you always with fair winds and following seas! Bob (palatka) > On May 18, 2017, at 10:04 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > Stan: > > This must mark a sad time for you but it also marks an astonishing > achievement. You are an inspiration. I hope life is kinder to you going > forward than t has be lately. > > All the best, > > Graham > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Stan Spitzer > Sent: May 18, 2017 1:03 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you > are): > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line > is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of > death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the > Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program > out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB > Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun > adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those > who can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > stan > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Fri May 19 06:40:48 2017 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 06:40:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used non-IMF mainsail for sale In-Reply-To: <1495035698110-53163.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1495035698110-53163.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <83F407AE-C499-4A8F-99FC-F0388957958F@gmail.com> Jason: I am interested! Bob (palatka) 386-336-5420 (text) > On May 17, 2017, at 11:41 AM, kg4ezq wrote: > > Hello all, > > My 74 R22 is no longer with us, but her mainsail is available. It's in good > shape with 3 good battens, no significant stains, no patches or other damage > but is quite old and has definitely stretched over the years. I was sailing > it almost daily until a mishap forced me to retire my boat. If you're > looking for a spare sail or a cheap replacement to hold you over for a while > this would a good option, and since it looks like my next boat is not going > to be a Rhodes :( it's priced to move. > > Send me a message if interested. I'm in the Central Florida area and am > happy to arrange a pick up for a local Rhodie. I didn't think to photograph > it before I bagged it but if you're interested and would like a photo I'll > get it out and get some pics. > > --Jason > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Used-non-IMF-mainsail-for-sale-tp53163.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri May 19 18:07:38 2017 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:07:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <8DF9DBD0-76ED-444F-9428-70D53354C403@gmail.com> We've know each other for 43 years. In that time you have been my mentor and friend. You and your creation have inspired me and my wife Alice, to go where no Rhodes has gone before (at least in the way we did it). Heck, I am negotiating shipping to Italy for my Rhodes as we speak. I think the Rhodes 22 should be known as the Stan 22 from now on. You have earned your rest, and the appreciation of the thousands of sailors that you and your boat have touched. Thank you Stan and Rose and Elton. I am writing this as I sit in a snug anchorage in the uninhabited island of Royal Island in the Bahamas.....a place I first visited in my first Rhodes 23 years ago. I never doubted the boat nor its creator. Thank you Stan. Chris Geankoplis S/V Enosis I 1983 Stan 22 Sent from my iPad > On May 18, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Stan Spitzer wrote: > > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you are): > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > stan > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From jason_q at jasonquick.com Fri May 19 20:07:08 2017 From: jason_q at jasonquick.com (Jason Quick) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 20:07:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used non-IMF mainsail for sale In-Reply-To: <83F407AE-C499-4A8F-99FC-F0388957958F@gmail.com> References: <1495035698110-53163.post@n5.nabble.com> <83F407AE-C499-4A8F-99FC-F0388957958F@gmail.com> Message-ID: Bob, I sent you a text message to your phone. --Jason On May 19, 2017 6:40 AM, "Goodness" wrote: > Jason: > I am interested! > Bob (palatka) > 386-336-5420 (text) > > > On May 17, 2017, at 11:41 AM, kg4ezq wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > > > My 74 R22 is no longer with us, but her mainsail is available. It's in > good > > shape with 3 good battens, no significant stains, no patches or other > damage > > but is quite old and has definitely stretched over the years. I was > sailing > > it almost daily until a mishap forced me to retire my boat. If you're > > looking for a spare sail or a cheap replacement to hold you over for a > while > > this would a good option, and since it looks like my next boat is not > going > > to be a Rhodes :( it's priced to move. > > > > Send me a message if interested. I'm in the Central Florida area and am > > happy to arrange a pick up for a local Rhodie. I didn't think to > photograph > > it before I bagged it but if you're interested and would like a photo > I'll > > get it out and get some pics. > > > > --Jason > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. > nabble.com/Used-non-IMF-mainsail-for-sale-tp53163.html > > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Fri May 19 20:24:14 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:24:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <1495239854145-53175.post@n5.nabble.com> Best wishes, and many thanks for your help getting me started on my personal Rhodes journey. I deeply regret not making it back to North Carolina this spring. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/beginning-of-the-end-tp53164p53175.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Fri May 19 20:51:14 2017 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:51:14 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: Stan: I first encountered you some 27 years ago at the Annapolis boat show. I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 and your genius for engineering. It took me twenty years to finally buy one , and I am sorry I was not wise enough to buy one earlier. At 74, I intend to sail Sweet Baboo until I drop. She is the perfect craft for Afternoon Gentleman's Sailing on Fernridge. Thank you for all you have done. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo Eugene, Oregon On May 18, 2017 10:02 AM, "Stan Spitzer" wrote: > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you > are): > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is > tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of > death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the > Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out > at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and > plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun > adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who > can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > stan > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailma > n/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From talmorin at hotmail.com Sat May 20 10:58:41 2017 From: talmorin at hotmail.com (Thomas s) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:58:41 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses Message-ID: Rhodies, One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the stern through hulls has developed some cracks. It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose to use? Thanks, Tom s/v Just Bent '90 Rhodes 22 (recycled 2001) Houston, TX From rbeytagh at gmail.com Sat May 20 11:49:14 2017 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 11:49:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jamestown Distributors supply a Bilge Hose that should do the trick. I think the ID of the hose is 3/4" but you had better check. Home depot and Lowes sometimes have the same hose in stock and you can probably get the right length. Jamestown is 10' minimum https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=581&familyName=Shields+Bilge+Hose Cheers ~~~ _/) ~~~ Richard Beytagh Phone: 828 337 0180 On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Thomas s wrote: > Rhodies, > > > One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the > stern through hulls has developed some cracks. > > It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. > > Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose > to use? > > > Thanks, > > > Tom > > s/v Just Bent > > '90 Rhodes 22 > > (recycled 2001) > > Houston, TX > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sat May 20 15:55:43 2017 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 15:55:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ab01d2d1a3$10ad6840$320838c0$@ca> Tom: It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside diameter or measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I think that Stan changed the size of the drain hose over the years so others may have a different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) only had a .5" garden hose originally. I thought that was minimal and it was constantly clogged so I replaced everything with 1.5" fittings and hose. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Thomas s Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses Rhodies, One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the stern through hulls has developed some cracks. It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose to use? Thanks, Tom s/v Just Bent '90 Rhodes 22 (recycled 2001) Houston, TX __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net Sat May 20 18:43:45 2017 From: bobandkathyr22 at bellsouth.net (Rhodes22) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:43:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses In-Reply-To: <00ab01d2d1a3$10ad6840$320838c0$@ca> References: <00ab01d2d1a3$10ad6840$320838c0$@ca> Message-ID: Graham is correct. When Stan was getting feedback that the drain were clogging owing to leaves and other debris, he increased the diameter of the drains (and the size hose, of course). We "Rhodies" are going to be more dependent on each other for "technical" and just plain questions on our sailing vessels as we watch Stan move on to other endeavors. Kathy and I are sure going to miss the General Boat's presence at various boat shows. We had grand times with Elton and Stan at the shows and fun with Rose at the factory going back to 1991. If Stan makes the Annapolis show this year, we will do all we can to be there if my treatment schedule for two cancers permits. Bob in Stuart "NoKaOi 3" 1986 and 2010 Sent from my iPad > On May 20, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > Tom: > It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside diameter or > measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I think that Stan > changed the size of the drain hose over the years so others may have a > different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) only had a .5" garden hose > originally. I thought that was minimal and it was constantly clogged so I > replaced everything with 1.5" fittings and hose. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Thomas s > Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > > Rhodies, > > > One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the > stern through hulls has developed some cracks. > > It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. > > Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose > to use? > > > Thanks, > > > Tom > > s/v Just Bent > > '90 Rhodes 22 > > (recycled 2001) > > Houston, TX > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Sat May 20 18:47:27 2017 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 22:47:27 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses In-Reply-To: References: <00ab01d2d1a3$10ad6840$320838c0$@ca>, Message-ID: A boat show tribute to Stan and rose is in order. We should plan ahead. Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ?202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image005.png at 01CE8701.15794830] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On May 20, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Rhodes22 > wrote: Graham is correct. When Stan was getting feedback that the drain were clogging owing to leaves and other debris, he increased the diameter of the drains (and the size hose, of course). We "Rhodies" are going to be more dependent on each other for "technical" and just plain questions on our sailing vessels as we watch Stan move on to other endeavors. Kathy and I are sure going to miss the General Boat's presence at various boat shows. We had grand times with Elton and Stan at the shows and fun with Rose at the factory going back to 1991. If Stan makes the Annapolis show this year, we will do all we can to be there if my treatment schedule for two cancers permits. Bob in Stuart "NoKaOi 3" 1986 and 2010 Sent from my iPad On May 20, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Graham Stewart > wrote: Tom: It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside diameter or measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I think that Stan changed the size of the drain hose over the years so others may have a different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) only had a .5" garden hose originally. I thought that was minimal and it was constantly clogged so I replaced everything with 1.5" fittings and hose. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Thomas s Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses Rhodies, One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the stern through hulls has developed some cracks. It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose to use? Thanks, Tom s/v Just Bent '90 Rhodes 22 (recycled 2001) Houston, TX __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sat May 20 23:24:25 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 20:24:25 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark Message-ID: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> This little guy built a nest in the jibsheet nook, whatever the proper name is, between Sunday and Friday. Unfortunately she lost a lot of grass in the process, clogging up the cockpit drain and centerboard pennant tube. The board was up so it wouldn't bounce around with all the wind we've had. With rain the cockpit had water up to the raised center, and the cabin carpet was damp at the companionway and the step was wet. There was 3/4 inch of water in the bilge. I pumped the bilge, unplugged the cockpit drain, and dropped and raised the centerboard a few times removing some grass. I removed the wood shroud and rail that sits on top of the step. The tube looks good (bilge tubing) and the fiberglass is intact. There is a clamp against the centerboard housing that seems tight but is hard to access. The top of the tube is calked against the companionway with silicone. I brought a Jerry can of water today to clean the cockpit better, but when water hit the companionway area the top of the hose seemed wet and it was slow to drain . That suggests plugging in the hose still? I'm not in a hurry to tear the step apart to redo the hose if I don't have to. Ideas?Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sat May 20 23:29:18 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 20:29:18 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53183.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From snstaum at gmail.com Sun May 21 09:26:37 2017 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:26:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just removed my old cockpit drain hose and found a good match with a piece of radiator hose from an auto parts store. I figured there is no heat nor pressure on it. It has lasted for four seasons in salt water just fine. *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *'83 Rhodes 22* *Needham, MA* On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Thomas s wrote: > Rhodies, > > > One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the > stern through hulls has developed some cracks. > > It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. > > Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose > to use? > > > Thanks, > > > Tom > > s/v Just Bent > > '90 Rhodes 22 > > (recycled 2001) > > Houston, TX > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Sun May 21 09:54:32 2017 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:54:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses In-Reply-To: References: <00ab01d2d1a3$10ad6840$320838c0$@ca> Message-ID: I agree as well. Since you are working on it, consider what i did. Order new through hulls and hoses to match. Its all above waterline so you can use inexpensive fittings. A good time to up your diameter as Graham did. Bob (palatka) > On May 20, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Rhodes22 wrote: > > Graham is correct. When Stan was getting feedback that the drain were clogging owing to leaves and other debris, he increased the diameter of the drains (and the size hose, of course). > > We "Rhodies" are going to be more dependent on each other for "technical" and just plain questions on our sailing vessels as we watch Stan move on to other endeavors. > > Kathy and I are sure going to miss the General Boat's presence at various boat shows. We had grand times with Elton and Stan at the shows and fun with Rose at the factory going back to 1991. If Stan makes the Annapolis show this year, we will do all we can to be there if my treatment schedule for two cancers permits. > > Bob in Stuart > "NoKaOi 3" > 1986 and 2010 > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 20, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Tom: >> It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside diameter or >> measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I think that Stan >> changed the size of the drain hose over the years so others may have a >> different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) only had a .5" garden hose >> originally. I thought that was minimal and it was constantly clogged so I >> replaced everything with 1.5" fittings and hose. >> >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile. R22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario Canada >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >> Thomas s >> Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses >> >> Rhodies, >> >> >> One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the >> stern through hulls has developed some cracks. >> >> It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. >> >> Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose >> to use? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Tom >> >> s/v Just Bent >> >> '90 Rhodes 22 >> >> (recycled 2001) >> >> Houston, TX >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun May 21 10:26:46 2017 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 10:26:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses In-Reply-To: References: <00ab01d2d1a3$10ad6840$320838c0$@ca> Message-ID: <00bc01d2d23e$473337f0$d599a7d0$@ca> If you decide to enlarge the drain hoses make sure the new larger fitting can be installed into the cockpit easily. In my case the cockpit fitting was installed in a drain area that was depressed to collect water. Unlarging the hole might not allow for the larger thru-hull fitting. In my case I was doing fairly major repair to the deck anyway so I filled the depression and created an opening that allowed me to install flush mounted "scabbards". I did the same for the cockpit floor drain. I found that the mushroom capped thru-hulls never allow all the water to drain out and that pools leaves stains. I have attached picture of what I did. This would be overkill in most situation and require that the whole cockpit be repainted if appearance is a priority but in the end I liked the results and others might be interested. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Goodness Sent: May 21, 2017 9:55 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses I agree as well. Since you are working on it, consider what i did. Order new through hulls and hoses to match. Its all above waterline so you can use inexpensive fittings. A good time to up your diameter as Graham did. Bob (palatka) > On May 20, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Rhodes22 wrote: > > Graham is correct. When Stan was getting feedback that the drain were clogging owing to leaves and other debris, he increased the diameter of the drains (and the size hose, of course). > > We "Rhodies" are going to be more dependent on each other for "technical" and just plain questions on our sailing vessels as we watch Stan move on to other endeavors. > > Kathy and I are sure going to miss the General Boat's presence at various boat shows. We had grand times with Elton and Stan at the shows and fun with Rose at the factory going back to 1991. If Stan makes the Annapolis show this year, we will do all we can to be there if my treatment schedule for two cancers permits. > > Bob in Stuart > "NoKaOi 3" > 1986 and 2010 > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 20, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Tom: >> It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside >> diameter or measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I >> think that Stan changed the size of the drain hose over the years so >> others may have a different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) >> only had a .5" garden hose originally. I thought that was minimal and >> it was constantly clogged so I replaced everything with 1.5" fittings and hose. >> >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile. R22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario Canada >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Thomas s >> Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses >> >> Rhodies, >> >> >> One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to >> the stern through hulls has developed some cracks. >> >> It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. >> >> Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of >> hose to use? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Tom >> >> s/v Just Bent >> >> '90 Rhodes 22 >> >> (recycled 2001) >> >> Houston, TX >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Since I decided to live the dream of purchasing a "Rhodes Continental Cruising Package w/Trailer Show Special" in 1980, I have deceived myself that the winds would blow steadily forever. Through the traumatic 80s, the move from LI to NC, recessions and politics, you were able to stay the course. I knew that you would need to change things eventually. In your typical style, you have chosen to employ a jibe, just to prove that it can be done with little ill effect, a bit abrupt but expected. I remember a similar situation during my test sail on a cold and blustery day in late October 1980. After a white knuckle sail in which we jibed twice (you never flinched, confident in your creation) you simply and effortlessly sailed us into the slip behind your home in Amityville, without using the motor. I gave Rose my deposit in her kitchen, sealing the deal. I never dreamed that nearly 40 years later, I would be sailing my second Rhodes 22 just as happily or that we would remain united through "da list". It is my distinct pleasure to have and worked with you, Rose, Elton and all who are Rhodies. We are more than a group, a club, customers or friends. We are a family. If possible, I plan to be at the "family reunion" in Annapolis, October 5-9, 2017. I encourage all who are able to put it on the calendar and try to attend. Stan, thank you. Fair winds and following seas, wherever the winds take you. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stan Spitzer Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:03 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you are): As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who can make it, if I can, will see you then. stan __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun May 21 10:32:02 2017 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 10:32:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses In-Reply-To: <00bc01d2d23e$473337f0$d599a7d0$@ca> References: <00ab01d2d1a3$10ad6840$320838c0$@ca> <00bc01d2d23e$473337f0$d599a7d0$@ca> Message-ID: <017901d2d23f$04ad3b00$0e07b100$@ebsmed.com> In addition, when I replaced my cockpit seat drain hoses, I added PVC fittings at the bends in the hoses to avoid kinking when I put my baskets and stuff in the lazy. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 10:27 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses If you decide to enlarge the drain hoses make sure the new larger fitting can be installed into the cockpit easily. In my case the cockpit fitting was installed in a drain area that was depressed to collect water. Unlarging the hole might not allow for the larger thru-hull fitting. In my case I was doing fairly major repair to the deck anyway so I filled the depression and created an opening that allowed me to install flush mounted "scabbards". I did the same for the cockpit floor drain. I found that the mushroom capped thru-hulls never allow all the water to drain out and that pools leaves stains. I have attached picture of what I did. This would be overkill in most situation and require that the whole cockpit be repainted if appearance is a priority but in the end I liked the results and others might be interested. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Goodness Sent: May 21, 2017 9:55 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses I agree as well. Since you are working on it, consider what i did. Order new through hulls and hoses to match. Its all above waterline so you can use inexpensive fittings. A good time to up your diameter as Graham did. Bob (palatka) > On May 20, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Rhodes22 wrote: > > Graham is correct. When Stan was getting feedback that the drain were clogging owing to leaves and other debris, he increased the diameter of the drains (and the size hose, of course). > > We "Rhodies" are going to be more dependent on each other for "technical" and just plain questions on our sailing vessels as we watch Stan move on to other endeavors. > > Kathy and I are sure going to miss the General Boat's presence at > various boat shows. We had grand times with Elton and Stan at the shows and fun with Rose at the factory going back to 1991. If Stan makes the Annapolis show this year, we will do all we can to be there if my treatment schedule for two cancers permits. > > Bob in Stuart > "NoKaOi 3" > 1986 and 2010 > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 20, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Tom: >> It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside >> diameter or measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I >> think that Stan changed the size of the drain hose over the years so >> others may have a different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) >> only had a .5" garden hose originally. I thought that was minimal and >> it was constantly clogged so I replaced everything with 1.5" fittings >> and hose. >> >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile. R22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario Canada >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Thomas s >> Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses >> >> Rhodies, >> >> >> One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to >> the stern through hulls has developed some cracks. >> >> It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. >> >> Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of >> hose to use? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Tom >> >> s/v Just Bent >> >> '90 Rhodes 22 >> >> (recycled 2001) >> >> Houston, TX >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Stephen Staum s/v Carol Lee 2 Needham, MA Sent from my iPhone > On May 20, 2017, at 11:29 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53183.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From koatimundi100 at gmail.com Sun May 21 16:28:38 2017 From: koatimundi100 at gmail.com (peter klappert) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 16:28:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end and end of the beginning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stan--So sorry to learn of your planned retirement. The inevitable, alas, is inevitable! But what a sail you've had, running before the wind and tacking into it. And also sorry for the long silence at this end, a long story which I'll tell you in an email or by phone. Greetings and fond wishes to ? and to you --P Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2017, at 10:32 AM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote: > > Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Used non-IMF mainsail for sale (kg4ezq) > 2. beginning of the end (Stan Spitzer) > 3. Re: beginning of the end (Rick) > 4. Re: beginning of the end (Geoff Farrell) > 5. Re: beginning of the end (Charles Nieman) > 6. Re: beginning of the end (Graham Stewart) > 7. Re: beginning of the end (daysails at aol.com) > 8. Re: beginning of the end (Goodness) > 9. Re: beginning of the end (Goodness) > 10. Re: Used non-IMF mainsail for sale (Goodness) > 11. Re: beginning of the end (chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com) > 12. Re: Used non-IMF mainsail for sale (Jason Quick) > 13. Re: beginning of the end (S/V Lark) > 14. Re: beginning of the end (Shawn Boles) > 15. Stern drain hoses (Thomas s) > 16. Re: Stern drain hoses (Richard Beytagh) > 17. Re: Stern drain hoses (Graham Stewart) > 18. Re: Stern drain hoses (Rhodes22) > 19. Re: Stern drain hoses (Chris Cowie) > 20. Wren vs Lark (S/V Lark) > 21. Re: Wren vs Lark (S/V Lark) > 22. Re: Stern drain hoses (Stephen Staum) > 23. Re: Stern drain hoses (Goodness) > 24. Re: Stern drain hoses (Graham Stewart) > 25. Re: beginning of the end (Michael Weisner) > 26. Re: Stern drain hoses (Michael Weisner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 17 May 2017 08:41:38 -0700 (MST) > From: kg4ezq > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used non-IMF mainsail for sale > Message-ID: <1495035698110-53163.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello all, > > My 74 R22 is no longer with us, but her mainsail is available. It's in good > shape with 3 good battens, no significant stains, no patches or other damage > but is quite old and has definitely stretched over the years. I was sailing > it almost daily until a mishap forced me to retire my boat. If you're > looking for a spare sail or a cheap replacement to hold you over for a while > this would a good option, and since it looks like my next boat is not going > to be a Rhodes :( it's priced to move. > > Send me a message if interested. I'm in the Central Florida area and am > happy to arrange a pick up for a local Rhodie. I didn't think to photograph > it before I bagged it but if you're interested and would like a photo I'll > get it out and get some pics. > > --Jason > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Used-non-IMF-mainsail-for-sale-tp53163.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 13:02:53 -0400 > From: Stan Spitzer > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8 at rhodes22.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who > you are): > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line > is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of > death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the > Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program > out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB > Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun > adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those > who can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > stan > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 13:24:00 -0400 > From: Rick > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Fair winds, Stan. > > Regards, > > Rick > > s/v Blue Heron > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 14:07:37 -0500 > From: Geoff Farrell > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Goodbye Stan. Thanks for the great experiences and memories. Take some well > deserved rest. Geoff > >> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Stan Spitzer wrote: >> >> To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you >> are): >> >> >> As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is >> tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. >> >> Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of >> death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the >> Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. >> >> For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out >> at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and >> plant projects under way, continue being honored. >> >> Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun >> adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who >> can make it, if I can, will see you then. >> >> stan >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailma >> n/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 19:16:56 +0000 > From: Charles Nieman > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >> From this side of the equation; it has been a great run. > > Stan, I truly hope you can say the same. Never have I known one who deserves a great run more than you. > > Sent from my iPhone > > Charles Nieman > > s/v Blue Feather > 84 R 22 .... passed to next owner in 2012 > > s/v Daydream > 98 R 22 .... still sailing > >> On May 18, 2017, at 12:03 PM, Stan Spitzer wrote: >> >> To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you are): >> >> >> As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. >> >> Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. >> >> For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. >> >> Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who can make it, if I can, will see you then. >> >> stan >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:04:28 -0400 > From: "Graham Stewart" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: <004101d2d044$3f77e020$be67a060$@ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Stan: > > This must mark a sad time for you but it also marks an astonishing > achievement. You are an inspiration. I hope life is kinder to you going > forward than t has be lately. > > All the best, > > Graham > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Stan Spitzer > Sent: May 18, 2017 1:03 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you > are): > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line > is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of > death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the > Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program > out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB > Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun > adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those > who can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > stan > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Thu, 18 May 2017 22:34:55 -0400 > From: daysails at aol.com > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: <15c1e8ed33f-1073-31c5 at webprd-m102.mail.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > > Stan, > > You, Elton, Rose, the boat and the General Boat's crew all inspiring. I would have missed the true experience of owning a Rhodes 22 had I not had the opportunity to meet, learn about and learn from you. Hope to see you at the Boat Show. Joe Riley s/v Second Wind, Lake Hartwell. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Stewart > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Sent: Fri, May 19, 2017 10:04 am > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > > Stan: > > This must mark a sad time for you but it also marks an astonishing > achievement. You are an inspiration. I hope life is kinder to you going > forward than t has be lately. > > All the best, > > Graham > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Stan Spitzer > Sent: May 18, 2017 1:03 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you > are): > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line > is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of > death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the > Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program > out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB > Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun > adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those > who can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > stan > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 00:37:23 -0400 > From: Goodness > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: <2E99D723-264B-4465-BD4C-FFB052CD4A84 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Best Boat Company EVER! > One day we can sail the Crystal Sea together! > >> On May 18, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Geoff Farrell wrote: >> >> Goodbye Stan. Thanks for the great experiences and memories. Take some well >> deserved rest. Geoff >> >>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Stan Spitzer wrote: >>> >>> To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you >>> are): >>> >>> >>> As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is >>> tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. >>> >>> Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of >>> death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the >>> Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. >>> >>> For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out >>> at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and >>> plant projects under way, continue being honored. >>> >>> Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun >>> adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who >>> can make it, if I can, will see you then. >>> >>> stan >>> >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailma >>> n/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 06:39:14 -0400 > From: Goodness > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Stan: Have you selected anyone to pass the torch to? It would be more fitting that the vessel and legacy continue on to honor the efforts of you, ? Rose, and your brother. > May God bless you always with fair winds and following seas! > > Bob (palatka) > >> On May 18, 2017, at 10:04 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Stan: >> >> This must mark a sad time for you but it also marks an astonishing >> achievement. You are an inspiration. I hope life is kinder to you going >> forward than t has be lately. >> >> All the best, >> >> Graham >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile. R22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario Canada >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >> Stan Spitzer >> Sent: May 18, 2017 1:03 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end >> >> To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you >> are): >> >> >> As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line >> is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. >> >> Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of >> death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the >> Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. >> >> For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program >> out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB >> Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. >> >> Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun >> adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those >> who can make it, if I can, will see you then. >> >> stan >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 06:40:48 -0400 > From: Goodness > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Used non-IMF mainsail for sale > Message-ID: <83F407AE-C499-4A8F-99FC-F0388957958F at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Jason: > I am interested! > Bob (palatka) > 386-336-5420 (text) > >> On May 17, 2017, at 11:41 AM, kg4ezq wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> My 74 R22 is no longer with us, but her mainsail is available. It's in good >> shape with 3 good battens, no significant stains, no patches or other damage >> but is quite old and has definitely stretched over the years. I was sailing >> it almost daily until a mishap forced me to retire my boat. If you're >> looking for a spare sail or a cheap replacement to hold you over for a while >> this would a good option, and since it looks like my next boat is not going >> to be a Rhodes :( it's priced to move. >> >> Send me a message if interested. I'm in the Central Florida area and am >> happy to arrange a pick up for a local Rhodie. I didn't think to photograph >> it before I bagged it but if you're interested and would like a photo I'll >> get it out and get some pics. >> >> --Jason >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Used-non-IMF-mainsail-for-sale-tp53163.html >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 18:07:38 -0400 > From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: <8DF9DBD0-76ED-444F-9428-70D53354C403 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > We've know each other for 43 years. In that time you have been my mentor and friend. You and your creation have inspired me and my wife Alice, to go where no Rhodes has gone before (at least in the way we did it). Heck, I am negotiating shipping to Italy for my Rhodes as we speak. I think the Rhodes 22 should be known as the Stan 22 from now on. You have earned your rest, and the appreciation of the thousands of sailors that you and your boat have touched. Thank you Stan and Rose and Elton. I am writing this as I sit in a snug anchorage in the uninhabited island of Royal Island in the Bahamas.....a place I first visited in my first Rhodes 23 years ago. I never doubted the boat nor its creator. Thank you Stan. > > Chris Geankoplis > S/V Enosis I > 1983 Stan 22 > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 18, 2017, at 1:02 PM, Stan Spitzer wrote: >> >> To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you are): >> >> >> As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. >> >> Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. >> >> For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. >> >> Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who can make it, if I can, will see you then. >> >> stan >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 20:07:08 -0400 > From: Jason Quick > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Used non-IMF mainsail for sale > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Bob, > > I sent you a text message to your phone. > > --Jason > >> On May 19, 2017 6:40 AM, "Goodness" wrote: >> >> Jason: >> I am interested! >> Bob (palatka) >> 386-336-5420 (text) >> >>> On May 17, 2017, at 11:41 AM, kg4ezq wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> My 74 R22 is no longer with us, but her mainsail is available. It's in >> good >>> shape with 3 good battens, no significant stains, no patches or other >> damage >>> but is quite old and has definitely stretched over the years. I was >> sailing >>> it almost daily until a mishap forced me to retire my boat. If you're >>> looking for a spare sail or a cheap replacement to hold you over for a >> while >>> this would a good option, and since it looks like my next boat is not >> going >>> to be a Rhodes :( it's priced to move. >>> >>> Send me a message if interested. I'm in the Central Florida area and am >>> happy to arrange a pick up for a local Rhodie. I didn't think to >> photograph >>> it before I bagged it but if you're interested and would like a photo >> I'll >>> get it out and get some pics. >>> >>> --Jason >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5. >> nabble.com/Used-non-IMF-mainsail-for-sale-tp53163.html >>> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 13 > Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:24:14 -0700 (MST) > From: S/V Lark > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: <1495239854145-53175.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Best wishes, and many thanks for your help getting me started on my personal > Rhodes journey. I deeply regret not making it back to North Carolina this > spring. > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/beginning-of-the-end-tp53164p53175.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 14 > Date: Fri, 19 May 2017 17:51:14 -0700 > From: Shawn Boles > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Cc: Patric Boles > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Stan: > > I first encountered you some 27 years ago at the Annapolis boat show. I > fell in love with the Rhodes 22 and your genius for engineering. It took me > twenty years to finally buy one , and I am sorry I was not wise enough to > buy one earlier. > > At 74, I intend to sail Sweet Baboo until I drop. She is the perfect craft > for Afternoon Gentleman's Sailing on Fernridge. > > Thank you for all you have done. > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > Eugene, Oregon > > >> On May 18, 2017 10:02 AM, "Stan Spitzer" wrote: >> >> To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you >> are): >> >> >> As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line is >> tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. >> >> Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of >> death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the >> Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. >> >> For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program out >> at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB Commitments, and >> plant projects under way, continue being honored. >> >> Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun >> adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those who >> can make it, if I can, will see you then. >> >> stan >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailma >> n/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 14:58:41 +0000 > From: Thomas s > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Rhodies, > > > One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the stern through hulls has developed some cracks. > > It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. > > Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose to use? > > > Thanks, > > > Tom > > s/v Just Bent > > '90 Rhodes 22 > > (recycled 2001) > > Houston, TX > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 16 > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 11:49:14 -0400 > From: Richard Beytagh > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Jamestown Distributors supply a Bilge Hose that should do the trick. I > think the ID of the hose is 3/4" but you had better check. Home depot and > Lowes sometimes have the same hose in stock and you can probably get the > right length. Jamestown is 10' minimum > > https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/show_product.do?pid=581&familyName=Shields+Bilge+Hose > > Cheers > > > > > > ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > Richard Beytagh > Phone: 828 337 0180 > >> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Thomas s wrote: >> >> Rhodies, >> >> >> One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the >> stern through hulls has developed some cracks. >> >> It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. >> >> Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose >> to use? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Tom >> >> s/v Just Bent >> >> '90 Rhodes 22 >> >> (recycled 2001) >> >> Houston, TX >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 17 > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 15:55:43 -0400 > From: "Graham Stewart" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > Message-ID: <00ab01d2d1a3$10ad6840$320838c0$@ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Tom: > It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside diameter or > measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I think that Stan > changed the size of the drain hose over the years so others may have a > different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) only had a .5" garden hose > originally. I thought that was minimal and it was constantly clogged so I > replaced everything with 1.5" fittings and hose. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Thomas s > Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > > Rhodies, > > > One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the > stern through hulls has developed some cracks. > > It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. > > Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose > to use? > > > Thanks, > > > Tom > > s/v Just Bent > > '90 Rhodes 22 > > (recycled 2001) > > Houston, TX > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 18 > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 18:43:45 -0400 > From: Rhodes22 > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Graham is correct. When Stan was getting feedback that the drain were clogging owing to leaves and other debris, he increased the diameter of the drains (and the size hose, of course). > > We "Rhodies" are going to be more dependent on each other for "technical" and just plain questions on our sailing vessels as we watch Stan move on to other endeavors. > > Kathy and I are sure going to miss the General Boat's presence at various boat shows. We had grand times with Elton and Stan at the shows and fun with Rose at the factory going back to 1991. If Stan makes the Annapolis show this year, we will do all we can to be there if my treatment schedule for two cancers permits. > > Bob in Stuart > "NoKaOi 3" > 1986 and 2010 > > Sent from my iPad > >> On May 20, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> Tom: >> It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside diameter or >> measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I think that Stan >> changed the size of the drain hose over the years so others may have a >> different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) only had a .5" garden hose >> originally. I thought that was minimal and it was constantly clogged so I >> replaced everything with 1.5" fittings and hose. >> >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile. R22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario Canada >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >> Thomas s >> Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses >> >> Rhodies, >> >> >> One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the >> stern through hulls has developed some cracks. >> >> It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. >> >> Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose >> to use? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Tom >> >> s/v Just Bent >> >> '90 Rhodes 22 >> >> (recycled 2001) >> >> Houston, TX >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 19 > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 22:47:27 +0000 > From: Chris Cowie > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > A boat show tribute to Stan and rose is in order. We should plan ahead. > > > Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW > Suite 300 > Washington, DC 20007 > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ?202.270.1470 mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > [cid:image005.png at 01CE8701.15794830] > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > On May 20, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Rhodes22 > wrote: > > Graham is correct. When Stan was getting feedback that the drain were clogging owing to leaves and other debris, he increased the diameter of the drains (and the size hose, of course). > > We "Rhodies" are going to be more dependent on each other for "technical" and just plain questions on our sailing vessels as we watch Stan move on to other endeavors. > > Kathy and I are sure going to miss the General Boat's presence at various boat shows. We had grand times with Elton and Stan at the shows and fun with Rose at the factory going back to 1991. If Stan makes the Annapolis show this year, we will do all we can to be there if my treatment schedule for two cancers permits. > > Bob in Stuart > "NoKaOi 3" > 1986 and 2010 > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 20, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Graham Stewart > wrote: > > Tom: > It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside diameter or > measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I think that Stan > changed the size of the drain hose over the years so others may have a > different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) only had a .5" garden hose > originally. I thought that was minimal and it was constantly clogged so I > replaced everything with 1.5" fittings and hose. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Thomas s > Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > > Rhodies, > > > One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the > stern through hulls has developed some cracks. > > It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. > > Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose > to use? > > > Thanks, > > > Tom > > s/v Just Bent > > '90 Rhodes 22 > > (recycled 2001) > > Houston, TX > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 20 > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 20:24:25 -0700 (MST) > From: S/V Lark > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > Message-ID: <1495337065820-53182.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > This little guy built a nest in the jibsheet nook, whatever the proper name > is, between Sunday and Friday. Unfortunately she lost a lot of grass in > the process, clogging up the cockpit drain and centerboard pennant tube. > The board was up so it wouldn't bounce around with all the wind we've had. > With rain the cockpit had water up to the raised center, and the cabin > carpet was damp at the companionway and the step was wet. There was 3/4 > inch of water in the bilge. I pumped the bilge, unplugged the cockpit > drain, and dropped and raised the centerboard a few times removing some > grass. I removed the wood shroud and rail that sits on top of the step. > The tube looks good (bilge tubing) and the fiberglass is intact. There is > a clamp against the centerboard housing that seems tight but is hard to > access. The top of the tube is calked against the companionway with > silicone. I brought a Jerry can of water today to clean the cockpit > better, but when water hit the companionway area the top of the hose seemed > wet and it was slow to drain . That suggests plugging in the hose still? > I'm not in a hurry to tear the step apart to redo the hose if I don't have > to. Ideas?Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 21 > Date: Sat, 20 May 2017 20:29:18 -0700 (MST) > From: S/V Lark > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > Message-ID: <1495337358439-53183.post at n5.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53183.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 22 > Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:26:37 -0400 > From: Stephen Staum > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I just removed my old cockpit drain hose and found a good match with a > piece of radiator hose from an auto parts store. I figured there is no > heat nor pressure on it. It has lasted for four seasons in salt water just > fine. > > > *Stephen Staum* > > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > > *'83 Rhodes 22* > > *Needham, MA* > >> On Sat, May 20, 2017 at 10:58 AM, Thomas s wrote: >> >> Rhodies, >> >> >> One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the >> stern through hulls has developed some cracks. >> >> It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. >> >> Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose >> to use? >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> Tom >> >> s/v Just Bent >> >> '90 Rhodes 22 >> >> (recycled 2001) >> >> Houston, TX >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 23 > Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 09:54:32 -0400 > From: Goodness > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I agree as well. Since you are working on it, consider what i did. Order new through hulls and hoses to match. Its all above waterline so you can use inexpensive fittings. A good time to up your diameter as Graham did. > Bob (palatka) > >> On May 20, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Rhodes22 wrote: >> >> Graham is correct. When Stan was getting feedback that the drain were clogging owing to leaves and other debris, he increased the diameter of the drains (and the size hose, of course). >> >> We "Rhodies" are going to be more dependent on each other for "technical" and just plain questions on our sailing vessels as we watch Stan move on to other endeavors. >> >> Kathy and I are sure going to miss the General Boat's presence at various boat shows. We had grand times with Elton and Stan at the shows and fun with Rose at the factory going back to 1991. If Stan makes the Annapolis show this year, we will do all we can to be there if my treatment schedule for two cancers permits. >> >> Bob in Stuart >> "NoKaOi 3" >> 1986 and 2010 >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On May 20, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >>> >>> Tom: >>> It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside diameter or >>> measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I think that Stan >>> changed the size of the drain hose over the years so others may have a >>> different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) only had a .5" garden hose >>> originally. I thought that was minimal and it was constantly clogged so I >>> replaced everything with 1.5" fittings and hose. >>> >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile. R22, 1976 >>> Kingston Ontario Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >>> Thomas s >>> Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses >>> >>> Rhodies, >>> >>> >>> One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to the >>> stern through hulls has developed some cracks. >>> >>> It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. >>> >>> Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of hose >>> to use? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> s/v Just Bent >>> >>> '90 Rhodes 22 >>> >>> (recycled 2001) >>> >>> Houston, TX >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 24 > Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 10:26:46 -0400 > From: "Graham Stewart" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > Message-ID: <00bc01d2d23e$473337f0$d599a7d0$@ca> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > If you decide to enlarge the drain hoses make sure the new larger fitting > can be installed into the cockpit easily. In my case the cockpit fitting was > installed in a drain area that was depressed to collect water. Unlarging the > hole might not allow for the larger thru-hull fitting. In my case I was > doing fairly major repair to the deck anyway so I filled the depression and > created an opening that allowed me to install flush mounted "scabbards". I > did the same for the cockpit floor drain. I found that the mushroom capped > thru-hulls never allow all the water to drain out and that pools leaves > stains. > I have attached picture of what I did. This would be overkill in most > situation and require that the whole cockpit be repainted if appearance is a > priority but in the end I liked the results and others might be interested. > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Goodness > Sent: May 21, 2017 9:55 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > > I agree as well. Since you are working on it, consider what i did. Order > new through hulls and hoses to match. Its all above waterline so you can > use inexpensive fittings. A good time to up your diameter as Graham did. > Bob (palatka) > >> On May 20, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Rhodes22 > wrote: >> >> Graham is correct. When Stan was getting feedback that the drain were > clogging owing to leaves and other debris, he increased the diameter of the > drains (and the size hose, of course). >> >> We "Rhodies" are going to be more dependent on each other for "technical" > and just plain questions on our sailing vessels as we watch Stan move on to > other endeavors. >> >> Kathy and I are sure going to miss the General Boat's presence at various > boat shows. We had grand times with Elton and Stan at the shows and fun > with Rose at the factory going back to 1991. If Stan makes the Annapolis > show this year, we will do all we can to be there if my treatment schedule > for two cancers permits. >> >> Bob in Stuart >> "NoKaOi 3" >> 1986 and 2010 >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On May 20, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >>> >>> Tom: >>> It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside >>> diameter or measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I >>> think that Stan changed the size of the drain hose over the years so >>> others may have a different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) >>> only had a .5" garden hose originally. I thought that was minimal and >>> it was constantly clogged so I replaced everything with 1.5" fittings and > hose. >>> >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile. R22, 1976 >>> Kingston Ontario Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>> Behalf Of Thomas s >>> Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses >>> >>> Rhodies, >>> >>> >>> One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to >>> the stern through hulls has developed some cracks. >>> >>> It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. >>> >>> Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of >>> hose to use? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> s/v Just Bent >>> >>> '90 Rhodes 22 >>> >>> (recycled 2001) >>> >>> Houston, TX >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Cockpit drain rebuilt September 2013 b.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1276370 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Cockpit drains wrapped.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 74299 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: deck scupper underside.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 63406 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Scupper (1).jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 108812 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 25 > Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 10:28:21 -0400 > From: "Michael Weisner" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > Message-ID: <017301d2d23e$819b2740$84d175c0$@ebsmed.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Stan, > > What a fantastic run! Few can hold a point of sail as long as you (both > figuratively and truly). You have given the freedom of owning a wonderfully > designed, affordable sailing vessel, to families both young and mature. The > Rhodes 22 has carried sailors across lakes and even ventured into the oceans > to provide a truly enjoyable experience, interspersed with moments of shear > terror, sometimes going nowhere fast, but never at a great expense. > > Since I decided to live the dream of purchasing a "Rhodes Continental > Cruising Package w/Trailer Show Special" in 1980, I have deceived myself > that the winds would blow steadily forever. Through the traumatic 80s, the > move from LI to NC, recessions and politics, you were able to stay the > course. I knew that you would need to change things eventually. In your > typical style, you have chosen to employ a jibe, just to prove that it can > be done with little ill effect, a bit abrupt but expected. > > I remember a similar situation during my test sail on a cold and blustery > day in late October 1980. After a white knuckle sail in which we jibed > twice (you never flinched, confident in your creation) you simply and > effortlessly sailed us into the slip behind your home in Amityville, without > using the motor. I gave Rose my deposit in her kitchen, sealing the deal. > I never dreamed that nearly 40 years later, I would be sailing my second > Rhodes 22 just as happily or that we would remain united through "da list". > > It is my distinct pleasure to have and worked with you, Rose, Elton and all > who are Rhodies. We are more than a group, a club, customers or friends. > We are a family. If possible, I plan to be at the "family reunion" in > Annapolis, October 5-9, 2017. I encourage all who are able to put it on the > calendar and try to attend. > > Stan, thank you. Fair winds and following seas, wherever the winds take > you. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Stan Spitzer > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:03 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you > are): > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line > is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of > death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the > Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program > out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB > Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun > adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those > who can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > stan > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 26 > Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 10:32:02 -0400 > From: "Michael Weisner" > To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > Message-ID: <017901d2d23f$04ad3b00$0e07b100$@ebsmed.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > In addition, when I replaced my cockpit seat drain hoses, I added PVC > fittings at the bends in the hoses to avoid kinking when I put my baskets > and stuff in the lazy. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Graham Stewart > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 10:27 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > > If you decide to enlarge the drain hoses make sure the new larger fitting > can be installed into the cockpit easily. In my case the cockpit fitting was > installed in a drain area that was depressed to collect water. Unlarging the > hole might not allow for the larger thru-hull fitting. In my case I was > doing fairly major repair to the deck anyway so I filled the depression and > created an opening that allowed me to install flush mounted "scabbards". I > did the same for the cockpit floor drain. I found that the mushroom capped > thru-hulls never allow all the water to drain out and that pools leaves > stains. > I have attached picture of what I did. This would be overkill in most > situation and require that the whole cockpit be repainted if appearance is a > priority but in the end I liked the results and others might be interested. > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Goodness > Sent: May 21, 2017 9:55 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses > > I agree as well. Since you are working on it, consider what i did. Order > new through hulls and hoses to match. Its all above waterline so you can > use inexpensive fittings. A good time to up your diameter as Graham did. > Bob (palatka) > >> On May 20, 2017, at 6:43 PM, Rhodes22 > wrote: >> >> Graham is correct. When Stan was getting feedback that the drain were > clogging owing to leaves and other debris, he increased the diameter of the > drains (and the size hose, of course). >> >> We "Rhodies" are going to be more dependent on each other for "technical" > and just plain questions on our sailing vessels as we watch Stan move on to > other endeavors. >> >> Kathy and I are sure going to miss the General Boat's presence at >> various > boat shows. We had grand times with Elton and Stan at the shows and fun > with Rose at the factory going back to 1991. If Stan makes the Annapolis > show this year, we will do all we can to be there if my treatment schedule > for two cancers permits. >> >> Bob in Stuart >> "NoKaOi 3" >> 1986 and 2010 >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On May 20, 2017, at 3:55 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >>> >>> Tom: >>> It would be best to take the old hose off and measure the inside >>> diameter or measure the outside diameter of the thru-hull barb. I >>> think that Stan changed the size of the drain hose over the years so >>> others may have a different size hose than yours is. My boat (76) >>> only had a .5" garden hose originally. I thought that was minimal and >>> it was constantly clogged so I replaced everything with 1.5" fittings >>> and > hose. >>> >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile. R22, 1976 >>> Kingston Ontario Canada >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>> Behalf Of Thomas s >>> Sent: May 20, 2017 10:59 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stern drain hoses >>> >>> Rhodies, >>> >>> >>> One of the hoses that leads from the cockpit seats in the back out to >>> the stern through hulls has developed some cracks. >>> >>> It is currently a corrugated plastic-y hose. >>> >>> Anybody know the proper size and have recommendations for the type of >>> hose to use? >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> s/v Just Bent >>> >>> '90 Rhodes 22 >>> >>> (recycled 2001) >>> >>> Houston, TX >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Cockpit drain rebuilt September 2013 b.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1276370 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > ttachment.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Cockpit drains wrapped.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 74299 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > ttachment-0001.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: deck scupper underside.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 63406 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > ttachment-0002.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Scupper (1).jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 108812 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > ttachment-0003.jpg> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Rhodes22-list mailing list > Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4030, Issue 1 > ********************************************** From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sun May 21 21:37:01 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 18:37:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> I pulled some leaves out with a hunk of wire. (12-2) but couldn't thread it past the half down board. I guess the floatsum in the well will compost. The poor thing won't quit. More grass in the cockpit. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53191.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sun May 21 21:39:29 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 18:39:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> Anybody else face this? Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun May 21 21:44:30 2017 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 21:44:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <404ADF71-52D2-4222-9FC7-5F184747EDBB@sunnybeeches.com> Nothing like it, I?m happy to say. I don?t know why not, I?ve got plenty of birds, and the boat is out in the open. Maybe it?s the name of the boat. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On May 21, 2017, at 9:39 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > > > Anybody else face this? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From cjlowe at sssnet.com Sun May 21 21:48:04 2017 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Sun, 21 May 2017 21:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <61822.24.140.30.102.1495417684.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> No ,but I have resident mud daubers guarding my hidden key! Gerald Lowe SV / Country Rhodes '86 http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n53192/IMG_0250.jpg> > > Anybody else face this? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From jadoucet at snet.net Mon May 22 07:02:24 2017 From: jadoucet at snet.net (joseph doucet) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 07:02:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: <61822.24.140.30.102.1495417684.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> <61822.24.140.30.102.1495417684.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Looks like a tree swallow on the motor of a lark Joe the Elder with the recycled 2002 or so > On May 21, 2017, at 9:48 PM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote: > > No ,but I have resident mud daubers guarding my hidden key! > > Gerald Lowe > SV / Country Rhodes '86 > > > > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/n53192/IMG_0250.jpg> >> >> Anybody else face this? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From gjnovotny at comcast.net Mon May 22 08:11:04 2017 From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 08:11:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top of the mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. Gary S/V Moon Shadow S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of S/V Lark Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark Anybody else face this? Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon May 22 08:30:22 2017 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 08:30:22 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <003e01d2d2f7$32e43f60$98acbe20$@ebsmed.com> I've not had ospreys on my mast but many cormorants have dropped or regurgitated fish parts on the deck. What a mess! Cleanup is difficult once sun baked. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Gary Novotny Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top of the mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. Gary S/V Moon Shadow S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of S/V Lark Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark Anybody else face this? Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon May 22 08:59:27 2017 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 08:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <63966.24.140.30.102.1495457967.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Have you tried a wind vane with a spike? Works pretty good until they bust off the spike. Jerry Lowe No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top of the > mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. > > Gary > S/V Moon Shadow > S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > S/V Lark > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > > > Anybody else face this? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From markwynn at verizon.net Mon May 22 09:46:36 2017 From: markwynn at verizon.net (Mark Wynn) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 09:46:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: <003e01d2d2f7$32e43f60$98acbe20$@ebsmed.com> References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d2d2f7$32e43f60$98acbe20$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: My sympathy regarding osprey and cormorants on the mast dropping fish parts. I had that problem until I installed anti bird spikes at the mast top. Not elegant, but more elegant than fish parts. You can also try anti bird sticky caulk, but no guarantee on that. Good luck. Mark Wynn s/v Windchimes Magothy River, MD On 5/22/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: > I've not had ospreys on my mast but many cormorants have dropped or > regurgitated fish parts on the deck. What a mess! Cleanup is difficult > once sun baked. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Gary Novotny > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top of the > mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. > > Gary > S/V Moon Shadow > S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > S/V Lark > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > > > Anybody else face this? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From gjnovotny at comcast.net Mon May 22 10:01:31 2017 From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 10:01:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: <63966.24.140.30.102.1495457967.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> <63966.24.140.30.102.1495457967.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Jerry, That sounds like the best solution. I was in a rush to get the boat back in the water so I took a small piece of Celtec and shot finish nails thru it and mounted it to the mast head pointy side up. I haven't seen the Osprey up there in the last 6 weeks since I put the boat back on the lift. So, this temporary solution seems to be working so far. A Davis wind vane with spike seems like the right long term solution. Thanks, Gary S/V Moon Shadow S/V Blackfish (deal in process) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of cjlowe at sssnet.com Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:59 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark Have you tried a wind vane with a spike? Works pretty good until they bust off the spike. Jerry Lowe No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top of the > mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. > > Gary > S/V Moon Shadow > S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of S/V Lark > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > > > Anybody else face this? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From gjnovotny at comcast.net Mon May 22 10:06:56 2017 From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 10:06:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d2d2f7$32e43f60$98acbe20$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Mark, I tried the bird caulk, but the osprey just laughed at it. See my previous post for my interim solution, its less elegant than proper bird spikes, but its working so far. Gary Fort Pierce Florida 34982 S/V Moon Shadow 1978 Rhodes 22 S/V Blackfish 1987 Corsair F-27 (deal in process) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mark Wynn Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:47 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark My sympathy regarding osprey and cormorants on the mast dropping fish parts. I had that problem until I installed anti bird spikes at the mast top. Not elegant, but more elegant than fish parts. You can also try anti bird sticky caulk, but no guarantee on that. Good luck. Mark Wynn s/v Windchimes Magothy River, MD On 5/22/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: > I've not had ospreys on my mast but many cormorants have dropped or > regurgitated fish parts on the deck. What a mess! Cleanup is > difficult once sun baked. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Gary Novotny > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top of > the mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. > > Gary > S/V Moon Shadow > S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of S/V Lark > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > > > Anybody else face this? > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon May 22 12:19:48 2017 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 12:19:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d2d2f7$32e43f60$98acbe20$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Love this bird thread. We lost numerous Davis windvanes to birds including one night when I think was a blue heron tried to land on it in the middle of the night while we were at anchor - judging from the to the "squonk!!" and the flapping as it flew off. Probably should have tried one with the spike but went to a Davis Spar-fly instead which worked well but the 'fly' part of it wasn't very UV resistant. And of course you've mostly all heard the duck story. Mary Lou ex R22 now Rosborough RF-246 - Tara On 5/22/2017 10:06 AM, Gary Novotny wrote: > Mark, > > I tried the bird caulk, but the osprey just laughed at it. See my previous > post for my interim solution, its less elegant than proper bird spikes, but > its working so far. > > Gary > Fort Pierce Florida 34982 > > S/V Moon Shadow 1978 Rhodes 22 > S/V Blackfish 1987 Corsair F-27 (deal in process) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Mark Wynn > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:47 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > My sympathy regarding osprey and cormorants on the mast dropping fish parts. > I had that problem until I installed anti bird spikes at the mast top. Not > elegant, but more elegant than fish parts. You can also try anti bird sticky > caulk, but no guarantee on that. Good luck. > > Mark Wynn > > s/v Windchimes > > Magothy River, MD > > > > On 5/22/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: >> I've not had ospreys on my mast but many cormorants have dropped or >> regurgitated fish parts on the deck. What a mess! Cleanup is >> difficult once sun baked. >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Gary Novotny >> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 AM >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >> >> No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top of >> the mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. >> >> Gary >> S/V Moon Shadow >> S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of S/V Lark >> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >> >> >> >> Anybody else face this? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.html >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Mon May 22 12:32:03 2017 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:32:03 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d2d2f7$32e43f60$98acbe20$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Just finished my spring cleaning Saturday and on Sunday I found about a dozen purple dots splattered about my deck. Apparent bird droppings that seem to have stained thru the gel coat. Not sure how to get rid of the stain. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:20 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark Love this bird thread. We lost numerous Davis windvanes to birds including one night when I think was a blue heron tried to land on it in the middle of the night while we were at anchor - judging from the to the "squonk!!" and the flapping as it flew off. Probably should have tried one with the spike but went to a Davis Spar-fly instead which worked well but the 'fly' part of it wasn't very UV resistant. And of course you've mostly all heard the duck story. Mary Lou ex R22 now Rosborough RF-246 - Tara On 5/22/2017 10:06 AM, Gary Novotny wrote: > Mark, > > I tried the bird caulk, but the osprey just laughed at it. See my > previous post for my interim solution, its less elegant than proper > bird spikes, but its working so far. > > Gary > Fort Pierce Florida 34982 > > S/V Moon Shadow 1978 Rhodes 22 > S/V Blackfish 1987 Corsair F-27 (deal in process) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Wynn > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:47 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > My sympathy regarding osprey and cormorants on the mast dropping fish parts. > I had that problem until I installed anti bird spikes at the mast top. > Not elegant, but more elegant than fish parts. You can also try anti > bird sticky caulk, but no guarantee on that. Good luck. > > Mark Wynn > > s/v Windchimes > > Magothy River, MD > > > > On 5/22/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: >> I've not had ospreys on my mast but many cormorants have dropped or >> regurgitated fish parts on the deck. What a mess! Cleanup is >> difficult once sun baked. >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Gary Novotny >> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 AM >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >> >> No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top >> of the mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. >> >> Gary >> S/V Moon Shadow >> S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of S/V Lark >> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >> >> >> >> Anybody else face this? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.htm >> l Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Mon May 22 13:00:21 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 10:00:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> <61822.24.140.30.102.1495417684.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <1495472421615-53205.post@n5.nabble.com> Quite correct. I saw a lot of them skimming the water on cool (no powerboater) evenings this spring. I must have been distracted when I started the thread. I'll try to make time to drive down there some point this week to serve another eviction notice. I keep explaining that Raccoons party in the dark hours, leaving footprints, so her eggs aren't safe any surviving babies will get seasick. She just doesn't get it. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53205.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gjnovotny at comcast.net Mon May 22 13:15:26 2017 From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 13:15:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d2d2f7$32e43f60$98acbe20$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <048801d2d31f$01b98cb0$052ca610$@comcast.net> Chris, You might try Krud Kutter. This is a very strong cleaner and spot remover. Try it on an inconspicuous spot first. If you use full strength, don?t leave it on for long. Liquid oxalic acid (usually sold as hull cleaner) might also work. As with anything try just a little at first to make sure it isn?t bleaching out the gelcoat too much. Apply wax after. Gary Gary Novotny Fort Pierce FL. 772-971-5753 S/V Moon Shadow 1978 Rhodes 22 S/V Blackfish 1987 Corsair F-27 (deal in process) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cowie Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:32 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark Just finished my spring cleaning Saturday and on Sunday I found about a dozen purple dots splattered about my deck. Apparent bird droppings that seem to have stained thru the gel coat. Not sure how to get rid of the stain. Christopher P. Cowie 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:20 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark Love this bird thread. We lost numerous Davis windvanes to birds including one night when I think was a blue heron tried to land on it in the middle of the night while we were at anchor - judging from the to the "squonk!!" and the flapping as it flew off. Probably should have tried one with the spike but went to a Davis Spar-fly instead which worked well but the 'fly' part of it wasn't very UV resistant. And of course you've mostly all heard the duck story. Mary Lou ex R22 now Rosborough RF-246 - Tara On 5/22/2017 10:06 AM, Gary Novotny wrote: > Mark, > > I tried the bird caulk, but the osprey just laughed at it. See my > previous post for my interim solution, its less elegant than proper > bird spikes, but its working so far. > > Gary > Fort Pierce Florida 34982 > > S/V Moon Shadow 1978 Rhodes 22 > S/V Blackfish 1987 Corsair F-27 (deal in process) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Mark Wynn > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:47 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > My sympathy regarding osprey and cormorants on the mast dropping fish parts. > I had that problem until I installed anti bird spikes at the mast top. > Not elegant, but more elegant than fish parts. You can also try anti > bird sticky caulk, but no guarantee on that. Good luck. > > Mark Wynn > > s/v Windchimes > > Magothy River, MD > > > > On 5/22/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: >> I've not had ospreys on my mast but many cormorants have dropped or >> regurgitated fish parts on the deck. What a mess! Cleanup is >> difficult once sun baked. >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Gary Novotny >> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 AM >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >> >> No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top >> of the mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. >> >> Gary >> S/V Moon Shadow >> S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of S/V Lark >> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >> >> >> >> Anybody else face this? >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.htm >> l Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon May 22 13:38:24 2017 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 13:38:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d2d2f7$32e43f60$98acbe20$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <44a70795-c562-1e5a-11fe-284570d99aa4@atlanticbb.net> We had good luck scrubbing those kinds of spots with a good cleaner (Collinite, or something with oxalic or even something like Tilex) and then letting the sun do the rest. Bird spots would be gone after a sunny week. Worked on red wine stains too. Of course, your birds may differ. Mary Lou ex R22 now Rosborough RF-246 - Tara On 5/22/2017 12:32 PM, Chris Cowie wrote: > Just finished my spring cleaning Saturday and on Sunday I found about a dozen purple dots splattered about my deck. Apparent bird droppings that seem to have stained thru the gel coat. Not sure how to get rid of the stain. > > Christopher P. Cowie > > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW > Suite 300 > Washington, DC 20007 > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:20 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > Love this bird thread. We lost numerous Davis windvanes to birds including one night when I think was a blue heron tried to land on it in the middle of the night while we were at anchor - judging from the to the "squonk!!" and the flapping as it flew off. Probably should have tried one with the spike but went to a Davis Spar-fly instead which worked well but the 'fly' part of it wasn't very UV resistant. > > And of course you've mostly all heard the duck story. > > Mary Lou > > ex R22 > > now Rosborough RF-246 - Tara > > > > On 5/22/2017 10:06 AM, Gary Novotny wrote: >> Mark, >> >> I tried the bird caulk, but the osprey just laughed at it. See my >> previous post for my interim solution, its less elegant than proper >> bird spikes, but its working so far. >> >> Gary >> Fort Pierce Florida 34982 >> >> S/V Moon Shadow 1978 Rhodes 22 >> S/V Blackfish 1987 Corsair F-27 (deal in process) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Mark Wynn >> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:47 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >> >> My sympathy regarding osprey and cormorants on the mast dropping fish parts. >> I had that problem until I installed anti bird spikes at the mast top. >> Not elegant, but more elegant than fish parts. You can also try anti >> bird sticky caulk, but no guarantee on that. Good luck. >> >> Mark Wynn >> >> s/v Windchimes >> >> Magothy River, MD >> >> >> >> On 5/22/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: >>> I've not had ospreys on my mast but many cormorants have dropped or >>> regurgitated fish parts on the deck. What a mess! Cleanup is >>> difficult once sun baked. >>> >>> Mike >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>> Nissequogue River, NY >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny >>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 AM >>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >>> >>> No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top >>> of the mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. >>> >>> Gary >>> S/V Moon Shadow >>> S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>> Behalf Of S/V Lark >>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >>> >>> >>> >>> Anybody else face this? >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Alex Cole >>> S/V Lark >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.htm >>> l Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Mon May 22 13:41:52 2017 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 17:41:52 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: <44a70795-c562-1e5a-11fe-284570d99aa4@atlanticbb.net> References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> <003e01d2d2f7$32e43f60$98acbe20$@ebsmed.com> <44a70795-c562-1e5a-11fe-284570d99aa4@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: I don't know if my birds drink red wine but I will give it a try. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 1:38 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark We had good luck scrubbing those kinds of spots with a good cleaner (Collinite, or something with oxalic or even something like Tilex) and then letting the sun do the rest. Bird spots would be gone after a sunny week. Worked on red wine stains too. Of course, your birds may differ. Mary Lou ex R22 now Rosborough RF-246 - Tara On 5/22/2017 12:32 PM, Chris Cowie wrote: > Just finished my spring cleaning Saturday and on Sunday I found about a dozen purple dots splattered about my deck. Apparent bird droppings that seem to have stained thru the gel coat. Not sure how to get rid of the stain. > > Christopher P. Cowie > > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW > Suite 300 > Washington, DC 20007 > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 12:20 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark > > Love this bird thread. We lost numerous Davis windvanes to birds including one night when I think was a blue heron tried to land on it in the middle of the night while we were at anchor - judging from the to the "squonk!!" and the flapping as it flew off. Probably should have tried one with the spike but went to a Davis Spar-fly instead which worked well but the 'fly' part of it wasn't very UV resistant. > > And of course you've mostly all heard the duck story. > > Mary Lou > > ex R22 > > now Rosborough RF-246 - Tara > > > > On 5/22/2017 10:06 AM, Gary Novotny wrote: >> Mark, >> >> I tried the bird caulk, but the osprey just laughed at it. See my >> previous post for my interim solution, its less elegant than proper >> bird spikes, but its working so far. >> >> Gary >> Fort Pierce Florida 34982 >> >> S/V Moon Shadow 1978 Rhodes 22 >> S/V Blackfish 1987 Corsair F-27 (deal in process) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Mark Wynn >> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 9:47 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >> >> My sympathy regarding osprey and cormorants on the mast dropping fish parts. >> I had that problem until I installed anti bird spikes at the mast top. >> Not elegant, but more elegant than fish parts. You can also try anti >> bird sticky caulk, but no guarantee on that. Good luck. >> >> Mark Wynn >> >> s/v Windchimes >> >> Magothy River, MD >> >> >> >> On 5/22/2017 8:30 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: >>> I've not had ospreys on my mast but many cormorants have dropped or >>> regurgitated fish parts on the deck. What a mess! Cleanup is >>> difficult once sun baked. >>> >>> Mike >>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>> Nissequogue River, NY >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>> Behalf Of Gary Novotny >>> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2017 8:11 AM >>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >>> >>> No, but I have had a huge problem with an Osprey hanging on the top >>> of the mast. Frequently littered the deck with fish parts. >>> >>> Gary >>> S/V Moon Shadow >>> S/V Blackfish (deal in process)) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>> Behalf Of S/V Lark >>> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2017 9:39 PM >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark >>> >>> >>> >>> Anybody else face this? >>> >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> Alex Cole >>> S/V Lark >>> -- >>> View this message in context: >>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53192.ht >>> m l Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >>> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and >> archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From Marc at babineauins.com Mon May 22 13:59:48 2017 From: Marc at babineauins.com (Mrbabs) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 10:59:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <1495475988170-53209.post@n5.nabble.com> Dear Stan I write as a Rhodes 22 owner, but my ego can't claim greatness, nor am I bright enough to recognize persona non grata status. I am so sorry you are dealing with this conspiracy of the gods, affecting both family, business and now us. I wish I were 25 years older so I would be in a position to take up your hobby. Alas, I lack the both the age and the boat manufacturing knowledge. I also admit I am a terrible sailor. Even with all the idiot proofing you've managed to build into your beautiful creation, I still rely on the motor to find home. Has anyone tossed a strategic line and if so, what would this line look like? Are there any budding boat builders who could take over with you employed as top consultant? Graham MUST be tired of working on his Rhodes in the cold weather and the man is intimately acquainted with every nut and bolt. What will happen to the molds, component drawings, equipment source lists, existing parts inventory, Edvin and the gang, the chickens, etc. ? Warm regards, Marc B. s/v Baby Steps Dry Dock Westminster, MA ----- Marc B. s/v Baby Steps Westminster MA Sailing Narragansett Bay -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/beginning-of-the-end-tp53164p53209.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon May 22 16:39:47 2017 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 16:39:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spring Project Videos In-Reply-To: <1495475988170-53209.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> <1495475988170-53209.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: This spring I had a number of projects on Silverheels, and I made videos of the work in the hope that someone would find them interesting or useful. Initially I thought I would make one video per subject area, but since most of the work was taking place in the small interior of the Rhodes 22, that approach turned out to be difficult to implement. So instead I made a series of videos that cover about 6 weeks of work in more or less the order in which events occurred. The projects can be broken down into the following subjects: Reconfigured Galley Below the Countertop. The biggest change here is a new home-built built-in top-loading ice chest. There?s a whole separate hour-long video on the construction of the ice chest, if you?re interested in the details. Under and forward of the ice-chest are some new drawers, and a hinged door provides access to the area under the sink. Water Storage and Management. I removed the water tank and replaced it with ten 1.25 gallon containers. There are several advantages to this approach: a) using the translucent jugs eliminates the nagging thought that something gross may be happening in your opaque tank, b) it?s easy to know pretty precisely how much water you have, c) when it?s time to refill your jugs all you need is a water tap within walking distance, and d) even if the rest of you water management system (e.g. hoses, pump) breaks down, water in the jugs is still available for use. I also added a foot pump to replace the electric one. In theory this will reduce consumption of both water and electricity. Electrical Work. I added a switch and some wiring to connect my two batteries together. I added a hinged door to make the back side of the breaker panel and the area behind it more accessible. I added a battery monitor. General Storage. I build a cabinet of sorts to securely hold eight of the water jugs under the V-birth aft of the foam. To make better use of the space left above this, I made some wooden bins. I added a floor inside the step support on the centerline under the companionway, and hinged a section of the step to allow access to that space. Other. I added a depth/speed/temperature transducer with a thru-hull fitting under the head floor. There are five videos that cover this work. The first one in the series is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsJeFTQnR6Q Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From chrissailorman at gmail.com Mon May 22 20:18:40 2017 From: chrissailorman at gmail.com (chrissailorman at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 22 May 2017 20:18:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <017301d2d23e$819b2740$84d175c0$@ebsmed.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> <017301d2d23e$819b2740$84d175c0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <5BE435AE-C08D-488A-BC37-0D44FADE0FC9@gmail.com> Just want to say Thank You for being the man you have been. Way back in the 90s, I called with panic in my head, convinced that I had just destroyed my boat, a 76 Rhodes Continental...a boat hauler had just hauled it home and as he pulled the trailer out I heard this horrible cracking sound as the blocking he used punched a hole in the hull. Your reply to me was " thats the boats way of telling you not to put a block there... and then calmly described how to fix it... 20 years of Rhodes sailing later, I am a fan and I say thank you. Chris Greco Blue Hawaii '87 Rhodes 22 Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: > > Stan, > > What a fantastic run! Few can hold a point of sail as long as you (both > figuratively and truly). You have given the freedom of owning a wonderfully > designed, affordable sailing vessel, to families both young and mature. The > Rhodes 22 has carried sailors across lakes and even ventured into the oceans > to provide a truly enjoyable experience, interspersed with moments of shear > terror, sometimes going nowhere fast, but never at a great expense. > > Since I decided to live the dream of purchasing a "Rhodes Continental > Cruising Package w/Trailer Show Special" in 1980, I have deceived myself > that the winds would blow steadily forever. Through the traumatic 80s, the > move from LI to NC, recessions and politics, you were able to stay the > course. I knew that you would need to change things eventually. In your > typical style, you have chosen to employ a jibe, just to prove that it can > be done with little ill effect, a bit abrupt but expected. > > I remember a similar situation during my test sail on a cold and blustery > day in late October 1980. After a white knuckle sail in which we jibed > twice (you never flinched, confident in your creation) you simply and > effortlessly sailed us into the slip behind your home in Amityville, without > using the motor. I gave Rose my deposit in her kitchen, sealing the deal. > I never dreamed that nearly 40 years later, I would be sailing my second > Rhodes 22 just as happily or that we would remain united through "da list". > > It is my distinct pleasure to have and worked with you, Rose, Elton and all > who are Rhodies. We are more than a group, a club, customers or friends. > We are a family. If possible, I plan to be at the "family reunion" in > Annapolis, October 5-9, 2017. I encourage all who are able to put it on the > calendar and try to attend. > > Stan, thank you. Fair winds and following seas, wherever the winds take > you. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Stan Spitzer > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:03 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who you > are): > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line > is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of > death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the > Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program > out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB > Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun > adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those > who can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > stan > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Tue May 23 05:29:52 2017 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 09:29:52 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <5BE435AE-C08D-488A-BC37-0D44FADE0FC9@gmail.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> <017301d2d23e$819b2740$84d175c0$@ebsmed.com> <5BE435AE-C08D-488A-BC37-0D44FADE0FC9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Stan, I really don't know what to say. My firt sailboat was a 70'sl that I found abandoned s a Marina, but still floating. It needed a lot of work, but hey, a floating sailboat for $200. It needed some parts and a lot of work. I went to Edenton and met you Stan.you gave me a tour of the plant, and I salivated over the new Rhodes. I got some parts, and you gave me a wooden tiller as a present, and tips on fixing my boat. It as really wonderful to meet you. I went back home and worked ln my old boat and got everything working. That old tiller was sanded and varnished, and proudly displayed. I fell in love with the Rhodes. 9 years ago, I got a newer Rhodes. A 1984 Rhodes that I trailered all tge way from Arkansa to Florida. I still got that Rhodes, and I was hoping to get a new one in the near future. :-( Thank you for everything Stan. Through your boats you have chamged my life. I wish that I had the money to just quit my job and go to Edenton to learn from the master boat builder that you are and continue your legacy. Luis Guzman S/V Aquetxalli 1984 Rhodes On Mon, May 22, 2017, 8:18 https://www.mint.com wrote: > Just want to say Thank You for being the man you have been. Way back in > the 90s, I called with panic in my head, convinced that I had just > destroyed my boat, a 76 Rhodes Continental...a boat hauler had just hauled > it home and as he pulled the trailer out I heard this horrible cracking > sound as the blocking he used punched a hole in the hull. Your reply to me > was " thats the boats way of telling you not to put a block there... and > then calmly described how to fix it... > 20 years of Rhodes sailing later, I am a fan and I say thank you. > Chris Greco > Blue Hawaii > '87 Rhodes 22 > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 21, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Michael Weisner > wrote: > > > > Stan, > > > > What a fantastic run! Few can hold a point of sail as long as you (both > > figuratively and truly). You have given the freedom of owning a > wonderfully > > designed, affordable sailing vessel, to families both young and mature. > The > > Rhodes 22 has carried sailors across lakes and even ventured into the > oceans > > to provide a truly enjoyable experience, interspersed with moments of > shear > > terror, sometimes going nowhere fast, but never at a great expense. > > > > Since I decided to live the dream of purchasing a "Rhodes Continental > > Cruising Package w/Trailer Show Special" in 1980, I have deceived myself > > that the winds would blow steadily forever. Through the traumatic 80s, > the > > move from LI to NC, recessions and politics, you were able to stay the > > course. I knew that you would need to change things eventually. In your > > typical style, you have chosen to employ a jibe, just to prove that it > can > > be done with little ill effect, a bit abrupt but expected. > > > > I remember a similar situation during my test sail on a cold and blustery > > day in late October 1980. After a white knuckle sail in which we jibed > > twice (you never flinched, confident in your creation) you simply and > > effortlessly sailed us into the slip behind your home in Amityville, > without > > using the motor. I gave Rose my deposit in her kitchen, sealing the > deal. > > I never dreamed that nearly 40 years later, I would be sailing my second > > Rhodes 22 just as happily or that we would remain united through "da > list". > > > > It is my distinct pleasure to have and worked with you, Rose, Elton and > all > > who are Rhodies. We are more than a group, a club, customers or friends. > > We are a family. If possible, I plan to be at the "family reunion" in > > Annapolis, October 5-9, 2017. I encourage all who are able to put it on > the > > calendar and try to attend. > > > > Stan, thank you. Fair winds and following seas, wherever the winds take > > you. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > Stan Spitzer > > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:03 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end > > > > To all the great Rhodes owners on the List (persona non grata know who > you > > are): > > > > > > As it must to all who pass this way, unless a strategic partner(s) line > > is tossed, the Rhodes 22 is being stocked for its sail into the sunset. > > > > Whatever gods may be, having collectively conspired with their tools of > > death (Elton's), dementia (Rose's) and old age (mine), are sending the > > Rhodes on its final sail to parts unknown. > > > > For private sale buyers and sellers who negotiated the C of S program > > out at their closings, the parts department is now closed. GB > > Commitments, and plant projects under way, continue being honored. > > > > Thanks to all Rhodies who contributed to such a long running, fun > > adventure. The Annapolis Show, being paid for, must go on. For those > > who can make it, if I can, will see you then. > > > > stan > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed May 24 20:43:43 2017 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 24 May 2017 20:43:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] location of holding tank vent In-Reply-To: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <015e01d2d4ef$f62703f0$e2750bd0$@ca> I am at the last stage of installing a new head and holding tank in my boat. The only thing left to do is to install the vent. Can anyone tell me where the holding tank vent is located? Before repairing my deck it was located at the peak of the foredeck. As it turned out water got into the deck core around the vent and I would like to avoid that possibility this time around. I am inclined to locate it below the gunnels or perhaps on the transom. I don't know if there is any particular reason to avoid either location or where the vent is located on newer boats. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Graham Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Wed May 24 20:46:10 2017 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 00:46:10 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] location of holding tank vent In-Reply-To: <015e01d2d4ef$f62703f0$e2750bd0$@ca> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com>, <015e01d2d4ef$f62703f0$e2750bd0$@ca> Message-ID: <855F9E82-4D53-4BDD-8BFE-0361D12DAD9D@cowieassociates.com> It is next to the tank pump out. [image1.JPG] Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ?202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image005.png at 01CE8701.15794830] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On May 24, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Graham Stewart > wrote: I am at the last stage of installing a new head and holding tank in my boat. The only thing left to do is to install the vent. Can anyone tell me where the holding tank vent is located? Before repairing my deck it was located at the peak of the foredeck. As it turned out water got into the deck core around the vent and I would like to avoid that possibility this time around. I am inclined to locate it below the gunnels or perhaps on the transom. I don't know if there is any particular reason to avoid either location or where the vent is located on newer boats. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Graham Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Cowie Sent: May 24, 2017 8:46 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] location of holding tank vent It is next to the tank pump out. [image1.JPG] Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ?202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image005.png at 01CE8701.15794830] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On May 24, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Graham Stewart > wrote: I am at the last stage of installing a new head and holding tank in my boat. The only thing left to do is to install the vent. Can anyone tell me where the holding tank vent is located? Before repairing my deck it was located at the peak of the foredeck. As it turned out water got into the deck core around the vent and I would like to avoid that possibility this time around. I am inclined to locate it below the gunnels or perhaps on the transom. I don't know if there is any particular reason to avoid either location or where the vent is located on newer boats. Suggestions are welcome. Thanks, Graham Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 39200 bytes Desc: image1.JPG URL: __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu May 25 10:24:55 2017 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 10:24:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] location of holding tank vent In-Reply-To: <016801d2d553$2872f4f0$7958ded0$@ca> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> <015e01d2d4ef$f62703f0$e2750bd0$@ca> <855F9E82-4D53-4BDD-8BFE-0361D12DAD9D@cowieassociates.com> <016801d2d553$2872f4f0$7958ded0$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, you are looking at the wrong file. It is a jpeg Rick On May 25, 2017 8:33 AM, "Graham Stewart" wrote: > Chris: > > Thanks for the response but the photos are some format that neither I nor > my computer recognizes - i.e., "[cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] " Is > there some secret to viewing them? > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Cowie > Sent: May 24, 2017 8:46 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] location of holding tank vent > > It is next to the tank pump out. > > [image1.JPG] > > > Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite > 300 Washington, DC > 20007 > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax > ?202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com ccowie at cowieassociates.com>] > > > [cid:image005.png at 01CE8701.15794830] > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > On May 24, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Graham Stewart tewart8 at cogeco.ca>> wrote: > > I am at the last stage of installing a new head and holding tank in my > boat. > The only thing left to do is to install the vent. Can anyone tell me where > the holding tank vent is located? Before repairing my deck it was located > at the peak of the foredeck. As it turned out water got into the deck core > around the vent and I would like to avoid that possibility this time around. > I am inclined to locate it below the gunnels or perhaps on the transom. I > don't know if there is any particular reason to avoid either location or > where the vent is located on newer boats. Suggestions are welcome. > > Thanks, > Graham > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list ______________________________ > ____________________ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image1.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 39200 bytes > Desc: image1.JPG > URL: attachments/20170525/d3dac9e3/attachment.jpe> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list ______________________________ > ____________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu May 25 13:35:44 2017 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 25 May 2017 13:35:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] location of holding tank vent In-Reply-To: References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> <015e01d2d4ef$f62703f0$e2750bd0$@ca> <855F9E82-4D53-4BDD-8BFE-0361D12DAD9D@cowieassociates.com> <016801d2d553$2872f4f0$7958ded0$@ca> Message-ID: <017801d2d57d$56d873e0$04895ba0$@ca> Right. I was being very thick headed. This picture is helpful. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick Sent: May 25, 2017 10:25 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] location of holding tank vent Graham, you are looking at the wrong file. It is a jpeg Rick On May 25, 2017 8:33 AM, "Graham Stewart" wrote: > Chris: > > Thanks for the response but the photos are some format that neither I > nor my computer recognizes - i.e., > "[cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] " Is there some secret to viewing them? > Graham > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Chris Cowie > Sent: May 24, 2017 8:46 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] location of holding tank vent > > It is next to the tank pump out. > > [image1.JPG] > > > Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] > > 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite > 300 Washington, DC > 20007 > 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 > fax ?202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com ccowie at cowieassociates.com>] > > > [cid:image005.png at 01CE8701.15794830] > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > On May 24, 2017, at 8:43 PM, Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > I am at the last stage of installing a new head and holding tank in my > boat. > The only thing left to do is to install the vent. Can anyone tell me > where the holding tank vent is located? Before repairing my deck it > was located at the peak of the foredeck. As it turned out water got > into the deck core around the vent and I would like to avoid that possibility this time around. > I am inclined to locate it below the gunnels or perhaps on the > transom. I don't know if there is any particular reason to avoid > either location or where the vent is located on newer boats. Suggestions are welcome. > > Thanks, > Graham > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list ______________________________ > ____________________ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: image1.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 39200 bytes > Desc: image1.JPG > URL: attachments/20170525/d3dac9e3/attachment.jpe> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list ______________________________ > ____________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From rbeytagh at gmail.com Fri May 26 14:59:55 2017 From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (rbeytagh) Date: Fri, 26 May 2017 11:59:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor Message-ID: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> Just delivered Jose's boat to Tracey's landing Maryland. This is the first of the Rhodes 22 with the Torqueedo electric outboard motor. It has been fitted with Stan's famous rudder linkage system and has the 2 large batteries under the cockpit lockers. Jose is using this long weekend so we are eagerly awaiting a feed-back report ----- Richard Beytagh R22 1984 s/v Waif -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Electric-Motor-tp53218.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jefferson at iteract.ca Sat May 27 08:10:13 2017 From: jefferson at iteract.ca (Jefferson Lewis) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 05:10:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <1495887013339-53219.post@n5.nabble.com> Stan, This the worst possible news. Completely understandable - of course. Deepest sympathies for your personal losses. I hope you have some inkling of the incredible pleasure you have brought into so many lives, and the lives of sailors to come. Our boats, your beautiful Rhodes 22, will outlive us all. But today I feel like an orphan. Tomorrow I'll start measuring the miles to Annapolis in October. You damn well better be there. Jefferson s/v Patience ----- Jefferson Lewis SV Patience 1976 Lake Memphremagog, Quebec -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/beginning-of-the-end-tp53164p53219.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From jadoucet at snet.net Sat May 27 10:41:51 2017 From: jadoucet at snet.net (joseph doucet) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:41:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor In-Reply-To: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <83D5A82B-643F-4A88-83FE-7A240A07E474@snet.net> Very nice. Electric motors work very well with sail boats for a number of reasons Joe the Elder R22 with no name > On May 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, rbeytagh wrote: > > Just delivered Jose's boat to Tracey's landing Maryland. This is the first of > the Rhodes 22 with the Torqueedo electric outboard motor. It has been fitted > with Stan's famous rudder linkage system and has the 2 large batteries under > the cockpit lockers. > > Jose is using this long weekend so we are eagerly awaiting a feed-back > report > > > > > > > ----- > Richard Beytagh > R22 1984 > s/v Waif > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Electric-Motor-tp53218.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sat May 27 13:52:16 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 10:52:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wren vs Lark In-Reply-To: <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1495337065820-53182.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495337358439-53183.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417021218-53191.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495417169039-53192.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1495907536237-53221.post@n5.nabble.com> No nest Thursday night. By Friday noon: They just wouldn't take a hint. I work the rest of the weekend, and next. Then a trip. So with only one possible day of sailing for three weeks I may pull the back up boat out of storage. They weren't happy when I got the babies seasick yesterday, then had a picnic with my lady in the cockpit last night. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Wren-vs-Lark-tp53182p53221.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sat May 27 16:55:13 2017 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sat, 27 May 2017 13:55:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge pump In-Reply-To: <1495908693484-53222.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1440968795757-50736.post@n5.nabble.com> <7E9B0399-2BE4-4640-BC03-B654A011463C@me.com> <1495908693484-53222.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1495918513523-53224.post@n5.nabble.com> I have similar questions, There is a floor or bulkhead running between stringers immediately in front of the bilge access plate in the cabin sole. The weep holes are tiny. If I drill it out it takes me to the head raised sole, but I don't have easy access there. I assume i would have to drill access holes to the forward battery compartment and snake a hose up to the v berth and back to get to the cabin sink. Therefore I've been stalling on adding one to my 2002. Ive been bone dry until this year. Between wildlife and rain I've had a wet bilge more often then not, but only enough to pump once. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Bilge-pump-tp50736p53224.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Sun May 28 18:23:01 2017 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 18:23:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge pump In-Reply-To: <1495918513523-53224.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1440968795757-50736.post@n5.nabble.com> <7E9B0399-2BE4-4640-BC03-B654A011463C@me.com> <1495908693484-53222.post@n5.nabble.com> <1495918513523-53224.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <0244A13B-A6FC-45C2-BF6D-DD0A8A7B5990@gmail.com> You are correct. Those small holes can stop up. I drilled out much bigger holes when i relpaced the wood base of the bulkhead. Bilge pump hose runs on the starboard side up forward of the bulkhead then back under the sink. Sorry i have my photos on a PC and not my phone now. Bob (palatka) > On May 27, 2017, at 4:55 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > I have similar questions, There is a floor or bulkhead running between > stringers immediately in front of the bilge access plate in the cabin sole. > The weep holes are tiny. If I drill it out it takes me to the head raised > sole, but I don't have easy access there. I assume i would have to drill > access holes to the forward battery compartment and snake a hose up to the v > berth and back to get to the cabin sink. Therefore I've been stalling on > adding one to my 2002. Ive been bone dry until this year. Between > wildlife and rain I've had a wet bilge more often then not, but only enough > to pump once. > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Bilge-pump-tp50736p53224.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Sun May 28 18:27:31 2017 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 18:27:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor In-Reply-To: <83D5A82B-643F-4A88-83FE-7A240A07E474@snet.net> References: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> <83D5A82B-643F-4A88-83FE-7A240A07E474@snet.net> Message-ID: <898AFAD2-4E83-488B-81AA-DAC8D9E091DD@gmail.com> I would sure like to know who is getting the inventory. A shame we cant order parts anymore. > On May 27, 2017, at 10:41 AM, joseph doucet wrote: > > Very nice. Electric motors work very well with sail boats for a number of reasons > > Joe the Elder > R22 with no name > > >> On May 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, rbeytagh wrote: >> >> Just delivered Jose's boat to Tracey's landing Maryland. This is the first of >> the Rhodes 22 with the Torqueedo electric outboard motor. It has been fitted >> with Stan's famous rudder linkage system and has the 2 large batteries under >> the cockpit lockers. >> >> Jose is using this long weekend so we are eagerly awaiting a feed-back >> report >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Richard Beytagh >> R22 1984 >> s/v Waif >> -- >> View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Electric-Motor-tp53218.html >> Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Sun May 28 18:33:18 2017 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Sun, 28 May 2017 22:33:18 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor In-Reply-To: <898AFAD2-4E83-488B-81AA-DAC8D9E091DD@gmail.com> References: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> <83D5A82B-643F-4A88-83FE-7A240A07E474@snet.net>, <898AFAD2-4E83-488B-81AA-DAC8D9E091DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: I worked with GB and Torqeedo the past couple of years and it is hard to deliver the best option for a small sailboat within a reasonable cost. I am continuing discussions with torqeedo and hope to improve options and cost. Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ?202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] [cid:image005.png at 01CE8701.15794830] Please consider the environment before printing this email. On May 28, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Goodness > wrote: I would sure like to know who is getting the inventory. A shame we cant order parts anymore. On May 27, 2017, at 10:41 AM, joseph doucet > wrote: Very nice. Electric motors work very well with sail boats for a number of reasons Joe the Elder R22 with no name On May 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, rbeytagh > wrote: Just delivered Jose's boat to Tracey's landing Maryland. This is the first of the Rhodes 22 with the Torqueedo electric outboard motor. It has been fitted with Stan's famous rudder linkage system and has the 2 large batteries under the cockpit lockers. Jose is using this long weekend so we are eagerly awaiting a feed-back report ----- Richard Beytagh R22 1984 s/v Waif -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Electric-Motor-tp53218.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon May 29 17:24:38 2017 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 17:24:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts In-Reply-To: <898AFAD2-4E83-488B-81AA-DAC8D9E091DD@gmail.com> References: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> <83D5A82B-643F-4A88-83FE-7A240A07E474@snet.net> <898AFAD2-4E83-488B-81AA-DAC8D9E091DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: > On May 28, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Goodness wrote: > > I would sure like to know who is getting the inventory. A shame we cant order parts anymore. > I think the subject of parts for Rhodes 22?s is one that merits some discussion here on the list. With Stan?s imminent retirement, we Rhodies are apparently on the verge becoming owners of ?orphaned? boats. Nothing Stan has said to us gives me any reason to think that there?s anyone who will be ?getting the inventory? (however much may exist). My guess is that going forward, we are going to be on our own. This will mean finding alternates sources, or in some cases perhaps making our own parts. In some cases, the sources are already well known. You could buy sails from Stan, which many people have done to help support the company, but I?m pretty sure that people have also been buying Rhodes specific sails directly from Doyle. Similarly, we know that Triad makes the Rhodes 22 trailer. Since the design of the Rhodes specific features of the trailer came from Stan, Triad agreed to only sell Rhodes trailers to GB. If GB is no longer in the trailer business, hopefully Triad will be willing and able to sell Rhodes trailers to the general public. The IMF mast is probably a much more complicated situation. My recollection from my strolls through the list archives is that the mast is made by Dwyer, but the die for the extrusion is owned by Stan. If Dwyer happens to be in possession of the die, would they be willing and able to use it to create a new IMF mast? The odds don?t strike me as good. But I suppose if I found for some reason that I had no option but to downgrade my boat to a standard mast and mainsail, it wouldn?t be the end of the world. There are a few parts on the boat that it seems pretty clear are manufactured by General Boats. I have in mind things that slide on the IMF mast and boom. I haven?t looked at any of these things very closely, but my impression is that they are made from Starboard and aluminum with some off-the-shelf stainless steel bits and pieces. Starboard and aluminum are probably being used because they can be cut and shaped by woodworking tools. As it happens, I have some woodworking tools, and would probably be willing to attempt to fabricate some of these parts. That said, I think an outboard motor lift is well beyond my capabilities, so you should hope your?s doesn?t break. Hopefully, other people have thoughts on this subject. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon May 29 18:36:01 2017 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 29 May 2017 18:36:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts In-Reply-To: References: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> <83D5A82B-643F-4A88-83FE-7A240A07E474@snet.net> <898AFAD2-4E83-488B-81AA-DAC8D9E091DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002e01d2d8cb$f3f92d80$dbeb8880$@com> I agree that with the existence of the Rhodes 22 Community, we should be able to help each other to find replacement parts or fabricate them. I will continue to support the Rhodes22.org mailing list as long as possible to permit us to maintain communication. As of April 1, 2017, we completed the first year of Amazon Web Services' "free" hosting program. I think that the experience with AWS has been very positive. We experienced no outages and have virtually limitless storage. It doesn?t make sense to build a private web server to host this kind of list. For the past two months the costs have averaged $13-$14 per month. I think that it is a reasonable cost, considering the benefits. The time to monitor and keep the list relatively spam free is down to ten minutes per day, most of the time. If anyone is interested in getting involved, please let me know. I would not like the survival of the community communication network to depend on a single individual. Funny how easy it gets to think that way as the years go by. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 5:25 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts > On May 28, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Goodness wrote: > > I would sure like to know who is getting the inventory. A shame we cant order parts anymore. > I think the subject of parts for Rhodes 22?s is one that merits some discussion here on the list. With Stan?s imminent retirement, we Rhodies are apparently on the verge becoming owners of ?orphaned? boats. Nothing Stan has said to us gives me any reason to think that there?s anyone who will be ?getting the inventory? (however much may exist). My guess is that going forward, we are going to be on our own. This will mean finding alternates sources, or in some cases perhaps making our own parts. In some cases, the sources are already well known. You could buy sails from Stan, which many people have done to help support the company, but I?m pretty sure that people have also been buying Rhodes specific sails directly from Doyle. Similarly, we know that Triad makes the Rhodes 22 trailer. Since the design of the Rhodes specific features of the trailer came from Stan, Triad agreed to only sell Rhodes trailers to GB. If GB is no longer in the trailer business, hopefully Triad will be willing and able to sell Rhodes trailers to the general public. The IMF mast is probably a much more complicated situation. My recollection from my strolls through the list archives is that the mast is made by Dwyer, but the die for the extrusion is owned by Stan. If Dwyer happens to be in possession of the die, would they be willing and able to use it to create a new IMF mast? The odds don?t strike me as good. But I suppose if I found for some reason that I had no option but to downgrade my boat to a standard mast and mainsail, it wouldn?t be the end of the world. There are a few parts on the boat that it seems pretty clear are manufactured by General Boats. I have in mind things that slide on the IMF mast and boom. I haven?t looked at any of these things very closely, but my impression is that they are made from Starboard and aluminum with some off-the-shelf stainless steel bits and pieces. Starboard and aluminum are probably being used because they can be cut and shaped by woodworking tools. As it happens, I have some woodworking tools, and would probably be willing to attempt to fabricate some of these parts. That said, I think an outboard motor lift is well beyond my capabilities, so you should hope your?s doesn?t break. Hopefully, other people have thoughts on this subject. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From stan at rhodes22.com Tue May 30 06:26:11 2017 From: stan at rhodes22.com (Stan Spitzer) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 06:26:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts In-Reply-To: References: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> <83D5A82B-643F-4A88-83FE-7A240A07E474@snet.net> <898AFAD2-4E83-488B-81AA-DAC8D9E091DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear Rhodies: I don't know what the word "retire" means so I doubt I used it in my GB farewell address. Yet I did notice "my retiring" popping up often in the follow up chat as the reason for GB's ending. All those who automatically inserted "retiring" into my e-mail were simply inserting themselves being in that scenario. I am not the marrying or retiring kind. I've always viewed those as one time celebrations that ended when it all ended. Your concerns re parts are premature. That e-mail merely said that for those who elected not to be part of the C of S community, the parts window was the first casualty; for all others we were honoring our commitments and parts continuity as long as we can. We appreciate that, with the exception of our few exceptionally driven Canadian Rhodies, few of us in the US Republic would fare too well making replacement parts. In the plant is everything: The two part molds, material, know how, yet even GB can hardly make centerboards. Yes, the IMF mast is ours but even if we donated our costly dies to a Rhodie in need of a mast replacement, to enlist an extruder he or she would have to be prepared to buy lots and lots of mast sections at one shot. And of course they are worthless without the IMF's component GB made internal furling assemblies. The "in production" aspect of the Rhodes has been a strong component of the Rhodes hi resale value. (You can get a used Venture 22 for peanuts. We have a San Juan on our lot you can have for organic peanuts.) The attempt to make the logical distinctions between the used car vs the used boat markets case in our C of S link page on our used Rhodes web site, had only moderate success. Short sighted, narrowly focused used Rhodes buyers and sellers often chose to ignore tomorrows and logic. Without being at the table, GB's contribution in making their transactions work in the first place, became the easy last minute save the deal negotiating drop out at the closing's end. What our e-mail did say is that without the help of Rose and Elton, single handing GB had come to be unrealistic for me and needed partnering for continuing. I did get a few long distance inquiries on that front re what they could do from afar. Manufacturing can be anywhere, but for me, at this stage, partnering has to be daily hands on. We have started a few preliminary selling talks but need buyers who recognize and value GB's great intangible assets that only come with such a long run. Having earned the best Annapolis Show space location is one of them. Failing an active partnership or worth while sale, closing down General Boasts and selling our nine industrial acreage to Warren Buffet, our neighbor on our North boundary, seems the practical move. Meantime no need for immediate parts panic. We now take credit cards. stan On 5/29/17 5:24 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> On May 28, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Goodness wrote: >> >> I would sure like to know who is getting the inventory. A shame we cant order parts anymore. >> > I think the subject of parts for Rhodes 22?s is one that merits some discussion here on the list. > > With Stan?s imminent retirement, we Rhodies are apparently on the verge becoming owners of ?orphaned? boats. Nothing Stan has said to us gives me any reason to think that there?s anyone who will be ?getting the inventory? (however much may exist). My guess is that going forward, we are going to be on our own. This will mean finding alternates sources, or in some cases perhaps making our own parts. > > In some cases, the sources are already well known. You could buy sails from Stan, which many people have done to help support the company, but I?m pretty sure that people have also been buying Rhodes specific sails directly from Doyle. Similarly, we know that Triad makes the Rhodes 22 trailer. Since the design of the Rhodes specific features of the trailer came from Stan, Triad agreed to only sell Rhodes trailers to GB. If GB is no longer in the trailer business, hopefully Triad will be willing and able to sell Rhodes trailers to the general public. > > The IMF mast is probably a much more complicated situation. My recollection from my strolls through the list archives is that the mast is made by Dwyer, but the die for the extrusion is owned by Stan. If Dwyer happens to be in possession of the die, would they be willing and able to use it to create a new IMF mast? The odds don?t strike me as good. But I suppose if I found for some reason that I had no option but to downgrade my boat to a standard mast and mainsail, it wouldn?t be the end of the world. > > There are a few parts on the boat that it seems pretty clear are manufactured by General Boats. I have in mind things that slide on the IMF mast and boom. I haven?t looked at any of these things very closely, but my impression is that they are made from Starboard and aluminum with some off-the-shelf stainless steel bits and pieces. Starboard and aluminum are probably being used because they can be cut and shaped by woodworking tools. As it happens, I have some woodworking tools, and would probably be willing to attempt to fabricate some of these parts. > > That said, I think an outboard motor lift is well beyond my capabilities, so you should hope your?s doesn?t break. > > Hopefully, other people have thoughts on this subject. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue May 30 09:49:40 2017 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 09:49:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts In-Reply-To: <002e01d2d8cb$f3f92d80$dbeb8880$@com> References: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> <83D5A82B-643F-4A88-83FE-7A240A07E474@snet.net> <898AFAD2-4E83-488B-81AA-DAC8D9E091DD@gmail.com> <002e01d2d8cb$f3f92d80$dbeb8880$@com> Message-ID: <02cf01d2d94b$963117a0$c29346e0$@ca> I would be happy to contribute to the cost of the list. Is there a practical way to do this? Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner Sent: May 29, 2017 6:36 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts I agree that with the existence of the Rhodes 22 Community, we should be able to help each other to find replacement parts or fabricate them. I will continue to support the Rhodes22.org mailing list as long as possible to permit us to maintain communication. As of April 1, 2017, we completed the first year of Amazon Web Services' "free" hosting program. I think that the experience with AWS has been very positive. We experienced no outages and have virtually limitless storage. It doesn?t make sense to build a private web server to host this kind of list. For the past two months the costs have averaged $13-$14 per month. I think that it is a reasonable cost, considering the benefits. The time to monitor and keep the list relatively spam free is down to ten minutes per day, most of the time. If anyone is interested in getting involved, please let me know. I would not like the survival of the community communication network to depend on a single individual. Funny how easy it gets to think that way as the years go by. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 5:25 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts > On May 28, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Goodness wrote: > > I would sure like to know who is getting the inventory. A shame we cant order parts anymore. > I think the subject of parts for Rhodes 22?s is one that merits some discussion here on the list. With Stan?s imminent retirement, we Rhodies are apparently on the verge becoming owners of ?orphaned? boats. Nothing Stan has said to us gives me any reason to think that there?s anyone who will be ?getting the inventory? (however much may exist). My guess is that going forward, we are going to be on our own. This will mean finding alternates sources, or in some cases perhaps making our own parts. In some cases, the sources are already well known. You could buy sails from Stan, which many people have done to help support the company, but I?m pretty sure that people have also been buying Rhodes specific sails directly from Doyle. Similarly, we know that Triad makes the Rhodes 22 trailer. Since the design of the Rhodes specific features of the trailer came from Stan, Triad agreed to only sell Rhodes trailers to GB. If GB is no longer in the trailer business, hopefully Triad will be willing and able to sell Rhodes trailers to the general public. The IMF mast is probably a much more complicated situation. My recollection from my strolls through the list archives is that the mast is made by Dwyer, but the die for the extrusion is owned by Stan. If Dwyer happens to be in possession of the die, would they be willing and able to use it to create a new IMF mast? The odds don?t strike me as good. But I suppose if I found for some reason that I had no option but to downgrade my boat to a standard mast and mainsail, it wouldn?t be the end of the world. There are a few parts on the boat that it seems pretty clear are manufactured by General Boats. I have in mind things that slide on the IMF mast and boom. I haven?t looked at any of these things very closely, but my impression is that they are made from Starboard and aluminum with some off-the-shelf stainless steel bits and pieces. Starboard and aluminum are probably being used because they can be cut and shaped by woodworking tools. As it happens, I have some woodworking tools, and would probably be willing to attempt to fabricate some of these parts. That said, I think an outboard motor lift is well beyond my capabilities, so you should hope your?s doesn?t break. Hopefully, other people have thoughts on this subject. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Tue May 30 10:09:42 2017 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 14:09:42 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts In-Reply-To: <02cf01d2d94b$963117a0$c29346e0$@ca> References: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> <83D5A82B-643F-4A88-83FE-7A240A07E474@snet.net> <898AFAD2-4E83-488B-81AA-DAC8D9E091DD@gmail.com> <002e01d2d8cb$f3f92d80$dbeb8880$@com> <02cf01d2d94b$963117a0$c29346e0$@ca> Message-ID: I have been helping GB at the Annapolis boat shows since purchasing my Rhodes 22 in 2008. Many others have also been generous with their time and input over the years helping out in a number of ways. We should continue these efforts in hopes of a successful transition to carry on the Rhodes 22 legacy for another 54 years. I have made numerous trips to GB over the years, helped out with updating the on-site computer systems, researched electronic propulsion options and enjoyed Stan's willingness to share his thoughts and ideas over the years. I presented Stan with a business plan a few years ago and again recently to try and come up with a plan to transition GB however the plans I am able to offer do not meet Stan's current needs to have a partner shoulder to shoulder who can work with Stan to lessen his daily burden and promote his ideas into the next Rhodes. The first goal of my business plan was to promote GB to provide a comfortable income for Stan and Rose, the second goal was to see GB continue another 54 years. Short term I am not sure what else I can do to contribute. Long term I agree we should have an organized effort to support the Rhodes community. Part of my business plan was to establish an "advisory board" or "board of directors". In addition to being a lifelong sailor, learning to sail on a Rhodes 19, I have also been successfully running an architectural business for over 30 years. Each of us have skills and talents that can contribute to our community. The challenge will be how to channel our efforts in a positive fashion. I am available for an advisory board meeting in Annapolis this fall. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW Suite 300 Washington, DC 20007 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:50 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts I would be happy to contribute to the cost of the list. Is there a practical way to do this? Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner Sent: May 29, 2017 6:36 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts I agree that with the existence of the Rhodes 22 Community, we should be able to help each other to find replacement parts or fabricate them. I will continue to support the Rhodes22.org mailing list as long as possible to permit us to maintain communication. As of April 1, 2017, we completed the first year of Amazon Web Services' "free" hosting program. I think that the experience with AWS has been very positive. We experienced no outages and have virtually limitless storage. It doesn?t make sense to build a private web server to host this kind of list. For the past two months the costs have averaged $13-$14 per month. I think that it is a reasonable cost, considering the benefits. The time to monitor and keep the list relatively spam free is down to ten minutes per day, most of the time. If anyone is interested in getting involved, please let me know. I would not like the survival of the community communication network to depend on a single individual. Funny how easy it gets to think that way as the years go by. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Monday, May 29, 2017 5:25 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts > On May 28, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Goodness wrote: > > I would sure like to know who is getting the inventory. A shame we cant order parts anymore. > I think the subject of parts for Rhodes 22?s is one that merits some discussion here on the list. With Stan?s imminent retirement, we Rhodies are apparently on the verge becoming owners of ?orphaned? boats. Nothing Stan has said to us gives me any reason to think that there?s anyone who will be ?getting the inventory? (however much may exist). My guess is that going forward, we are going to be on our own. This will mean finding alternates sources, or in some cases perhaps making our own parts. In some cases, the sources are already well known. You could buy sails from Stan, which many people have done to help support the company, but I?m pretty sure that people have also been buying Rhodes specific sails directly from Doyle. Similarly, we know that Triad makes the Rhodes 22 trailer. Since the design of the Rhodes specific features of the trailer came from Stan, Triad agreed to only sell Rhodes trailers to GB. If GB is no longer in the trailer business, hopefully Triad will be willing and able to sell Rhodes trailers to the general public. The IMF mast is probably a much more complicated situation. My recollection from my strolls through the list archives is that the mast is made by Dwyer, but the die for the extrusion is owned by Stan. If Dwyer happens to be in possession of the die, would they be willing and able to use it to create a new IMF mast? The odds don?t strike me as good. But I suppose if I found for some reason that I had no option but to downgrade my boat to a standard mast and mainsail, it wouldn?t be the end of the world. There are a few parts on the boat that it seems pretty clear are manufactured by General Boats. I have in mind things that slide on the IMF mast and boom. I haven?t looked at any of these things very closely, but my impression is that they are made from Starboard and aluminum with some off-the-shelf stainless steel bits and pieces. Starboard and aluminum are probably being used because they can be cut and shaped by woodworking tools. As it happens, I have some woodworking tools, and would probably be willing to attempt to fabricate some of these parts. That said, I think an outboard motor lift is well beyond my capabilities, so you should hope your?s doesn?t break. Hopefully, other people have thoughts on this subject. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com Tue May 30 10:32:34 2017 From: krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com (UWILLC) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 07:32:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] beginning of the end In-Reply-To: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> References: <7d076953-7cd9-9549-edd9-d844d5119ed8@rhodes22.com> Message-ID: <1496154754870-53233.post@n5.nabble.com> No more eloquent words were written than yours, Stan, about your baby that was drawn up years ago when you presented yourself at Philip Rhodes office. -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/beginning-of-the-end-tp53164p53233.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com Tue May 30 10:43:46 2017 From: krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com (UWILLC) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 07:43:46 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace or fix outboard motor bracket? Message-ID: <1496155426089-53234.post@n5.nabble.com> I sail a beautiful red Rhodes in Cold Spring Harbor, New York. This is my 8th season with my second Rhodes. Last year, the rails on the outboard bracket became sticky. Garage door lubricant helped a bit, but it still needed a lot of nursing to help it slide down. But on my first day out this season, one of the two bolts fractured. (see image) Is it worth fixing or should I remove and simply put on a Garelick or similar hinged outboard motor bracket? Of note, the old wooden bracket on my first Rhodes broke and the outboard merrily buzzed about in the water until it had fully filled its lungs with saltwater, so the outboard bracket seems to be a bit of an Achilles heel in the design. -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replace-or-fix-outboard-motor-bracket-tp53234.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue May 30 11:00:47 2017 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 11:00:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace or fix outboard motor bracket? In-Reply-To: <1496155426089-53234.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1496155426089-53234.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <02e901d2d955$85759990$9060ccb0$@ca> I have the old standard manual outboard bracket and lift with a 6 HP motor on it. I have no trouble lifting the motor and I have wondered whether the power lift is really worth it. The advantages of the power lift that I can think of is that it would allow you to remain facing forward and in control of the helm and if you have physical limitations it would be helpful if not essential. Otherwise it seems like a lot of weight, complexity and power draw for what is otherwise a pretty simple operation. Maybe if I had it I would like it. Same goes for the IMF. I guess I am of the KISS school of thought. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of UWILLC via Rhodes22-list Sent: May 30, 2017 10:44 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace or fix outboard motor bracket? I sail a beautiful red Rhodes in Cold Spring Harbor, New York. This is my 8th season with my second Rhodes. Last year, the rails on the outboard bracket became sticky. Garage door lubricant helped a bit, but it still needed a lot of nursing to help it slide down. But on my first day out this season, one of the two bolts fractured. (see image) Is it worth fixing or should I remove and simply put on a Garelick or similar hinged outboard motor bracket? Of note, the old wooden bracket on my first Rhodes broke and the outboard merrily buzzed about in the water until it had fully filled its lungs with saltwater, so the outboard bracket seems to be a bit of an Achilles heel in the design. -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replace-or-fix-outboard-motor-bracket -tp53234.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com Wed May 31 06:19:57 2017 From: krawitzmail-rhodes at yahoo.com (UWILLC) Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 03:19:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace or fix outboard motor bracket? In-Reply-To: <02e901d2d955$85759990$9060ccb0$@ca> References: <1496155426089-53234.post@n5.nabble.com> <02e901d2d955$85759990$9060ccb0$@ca> Message-ID: <1496225997599-53236.post@n5.nabble.com> I had the manual rope-pulled bracket on my first Rhodes. I guess the question is what to do now with the broken motorized winch. Fix or go with a simpler design? -- View this message in context: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replace-or-fix-outboard-motor-bracket-tp53234p53236.html Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Wed May 31 07:54:08 2017 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 07:54:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Beginning of the End - Parts In-Reply-To: References: <1495825195605-53218.post@n5.nabble.com> <83D5A82B-643F-4A88-83FE-7A240A07E474@snet.net> <898AFAD2-4E83-488B-81AA-DAC8D9E091DD@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7233CE07-7651-4371-A2E9-75DF916CC9DC@gmail.com> I am confused Stan. Sounds like GB is for sale. I am sure there are some Rhodies who would partner to carry on your legacy! So you are operational? That is great! Good to know we can still order parts! Sounds like it's for sale too. What is the price of the business, rights, molds, inventory etc? > On May 30, 2017, at 6:26 AM, Stan Spitzer wrote: > > > Dear Rhodies: > > I don't know what the word "retire" means so I doubt I used it in my GB farewell address. Yet I did notice "my retiring" popping up often in the follow up chat as the reason for GB's ending. All those who automatically inserted "retiring" into my e-mail were simply inserting themselves being in that scenario. I am not the marrying or retiring kind. I've always viewed those as one time celebrations that ended when it all ended. > > Your concerns re parts are premature. That e-mail merely said that for those who elected not to be part of the C of S community, the parts window was the first casualty; for all others we were honoring our commitments and parts continuity as long as we can. We appreciate that, with the exception of our few exceptionally driven Canadian Rhodies, few of us in the US Republic would fare too well making replacement parts. In the plant is everything: The two part molds, material, know how, yet even GB can hardly make centerboards. Yes, the IMF mast is ours but even if we donated our costly dies to a Rhodie in need of a mast replacement, to enlist an extruder he or she would have to be prepared to buy lots and lots of mast sections at one shot. And of course they are worthless without the IMF's component GB made internal furling assemblies. The "in production" aspect of the Rhodes has been a strong component of the Rhodes hi resale value. (You can get a used Venture 22 for peanuts. We have a San Juan on our lot you can have for organic peanuts.) > > The attempt to make the logical distinctions between the used car vs the used boat markets case in our C of S link page on our used Rhodes web site, had only moderate success. Short sighted, narrowly focused used Rhodes buyers and sellers often chose to ignore tomorrows and logic. Without being at the table, GB's contribution in making their transactions work in the first place, became the easy last minute save the deal negotiating drop out at the closing's end. > > What our e-mail did say is that without the help of Rose and Elton, single handing GB had come to be unrealistic for me and needed partnering for continuing. I did get a few long distance inquiries on that front re what they could do from afar. Manufacturing can be anywhere, but for me, at this stage, partnering has to be daily hands on. We have started a few preliminary selling talks but need buyers who recognize and value GB's great intangible assets that only come with such a long run. Having earned the best Annapolis Show space location is one of them. Failing an active partnership or worth while sale, closing down General Boasts and selling our nine industrial acreage to Warren Buffet, our neighbor on our North boundary, seems the practical move. > > Meantime no need for immediate parts panic. We now take credit cards. > > stan > > > On 5/29/17 5:24 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >>> On May 28, 2017, at 6:27 PM, Goodness wrote: >>> >>> I would sure like to know who is getting the inventory. A shame we cant order parts anymore. >>> >> I think the subject of parts for Rhodes 22?s is one that merits some discussion here on the list. >> >> With Stan?s imminent retirement, we Rhodies are apparently on the verge becoming owners of ?orphaned? boats. Nothing Stan has said to us gives me any reason to think that there?s anyone who will be ?getting the inventory? (however much may exist). My guess is that going forward, we are going to be on our own. This will mean finding alternates sources, or in some cases perhaps making our own parts. >> >> In some cases, the sources are already well known. You could buy sails from Stan, which many people have done to help support the company, but I?m pretty sure that people have also been buying Rhodes specific sails directly from Doyle. Similarly, we know that Triad makes the Rhodes 22 trailer. Since the design of the Rhodes specific features of the trailer came from Stan, Triad agreed to only sell Rhodes trailers to GB. If GB is no longer in the trailer business, hopefully Triad will be willing and able to sell Rhodes trailers to the general public. >> >> The IMF mast is probably a much more complicated situation. My recollection from my strolls through the list archives is that the mast is made by Dwyer, but the die for the extrusion is owned by Stan. If Dwyer happens to be in possession of the die, would they be willing and able to use it to create a new IMF mast? The odds don?t strike me as good. But I suppose if I found for some reason that I had no option but to downgrade my boat to a standard mast and mainsail, it wouldn?t be the end of the world. >> >> There are a few parts on the boat that it seems pretty clear are manufactured by General Boats. I have in mind things that slide on the IMF mast and boom. I haven?t looked at any of these things very closely, but my impression is that they are made from Starboard and aluminum with some off-the-shelf stainless steel bits and pieces. Starboard and aluminum are probably being used because they can be cut and shaped by woodworking tools. As it happens, I have some woodworking tools, and would probably be willing to attempt to fabricate some of these parts. >> >> That said, I think an outboard motor lift is well beyond my capabilities, so you should hope your?s doesn?t break. >> >> Hopefully, other people have thoughts on this subject. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go tohttp://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From jac2 at wavecable.com Wed May 31 12:53:23 2017 From: jac2 at wavecable.com (Jay Curry) Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 09:53:23 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replace or fix outboard motor bracket? In-Reply-To: <1496225997599-53236.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1496155426089-53234.post@n5.nabble.com> <02e901d2d955$85759990$9060ccb0$@ca> <1496225997599-53236.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9645450E10CA4183A81E3A017E8C8C8C@Officepc> Attached is a picture of the hoist I use in place of the Winch that came with our 2012 factory refurbished boat. The winch that came with the boat has a 3000 lb capacity with a remote control as the only on off switch. I had no complaint with the idea. The winch strap raises the motor to a top limit and a bump stop allows it to tilt the motor automatically. But, without an automatic kill switch at the top limit or a manual back-up shut off switch for the remote, the winch had the power to rip the entire assembly out of the stern if it did not get shut off just right, got sat on, got dropped or got stuck in the on position for any number of reasons. After several trial uses under sail it was clear there was a real risk of damage to the boat from the winch. I removed the winch and replaced it with the pulley system you see pictured. My Tohatsu 6 hp 4 stroke is 58 lbs and pulls up easily with one hand. Every other 4 stroke engine we looked at was in the 100 lb range. This pulley will easily handle that extra weight. The other reason for the change was that the top limit of the winch was about 2 to 3 inches lower than the Tohatsu needed for comfortable forward tilt room. If there had been a reliable safety stop for the winch and it lifted the engine a bit higher, I may have kept using it. But, I have had the 4 double pulley lift now for 5 years in salt water conditions with no trouble at all and would not even consider going back to a winch. Jay Port Angeles, WA -------------------------------------------------- From: "UWILLC via Rhodes22-list" Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:19 AM To: Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replace or fix outboard motor bracket? > I had the manual rope-pulled bracket on my first Rhodes. > I guess the question is what to do now with the broken motorized winch. > Fix or go with a simpler design? > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replace-or-fix-outboard-motor-bracket-tp53234p53236.html > Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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