From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun Apr 1 11:04:14 2018 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 11:04:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Old R22 cockpit sole pic - I cut it out :( In-Reply-To: <1522522507752-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1522522507752-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <006d01d3c9ca$b2d81a00$18884e00$@ca> Steve: Thanks so much for posting the picture of the open cockpit sole. I have wanted to know what was down there and how it was constructed. I tore my foredeck apart because of squishiness thinking that I had rot in the core only to discover that the deck skin had simply delaminated. I posted pictures of what I found if anyone is interested. It could have been fixed by injecting epoxy - a much, much, much easier process. Still, you don't know if you don't look. The bulkheads at either end of my cockpit has rot in them but the floor itself was solid so I decided not to tear off the floor. I added a bulkhead at the cabin end that was preserved and epoxy covered and similarly repaired the bulkhead at the lazarette end. I feel more comfortable about that decision not to remove the sole now that I have your work description and picture. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of redneckyc Sent: March 31, 2018 2:55 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Old R22 cockpit sole pic - I cut it out :( I haven't posted here in a while but my boat has been waiting for me in storage to get it ready for the water again. My first project is to fix the spongy cockpit sole. (This boat is from early 70's). So I cut out the raised portion not really knowing what I'd find but expecting waterlogged plywood. Anyway turns out I was sure wrong. It is solid fiberglass with a box-like bulkhead structure underneath with a 2x4 going laterally. And full of pieces of foam!! So now I am going to make new bulkheads and redo and install the same piece of glass back over the new box. So the reason it was spongy was not waterlogged core as it had no core. It was delamination between the sole and the bulkheads/box. It also looks like some of the tabbing for the bulkheads has come loose. Anyway just thought I'd share how my boat was put together like 45 years ago. ----- Fair winds and following seas ..... Steve Raye -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Apr 1 12:34:59 2018 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 12:34:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Old R22 cockpit sole pic - I cut it out :( In-Reply-To: <1522537774052-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1522522507752-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <5835C5B6-E5AA-4E9B-BBB7-AEC9203F6528@stottarchitecture.com> <1522534124540-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1522537774052-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <000a01d3c9d7$624be910$26e3bb30$@ebsmed.com> I used an EPS foam blocks that I think I found either at West Marine or at Defender. Nowadays, I would look at the TotalBoat system (structural density), easily found at Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Closed-Cell-Foam-Flotation/s?ie=UTF8&page=1&rh=i%3Aap s%2Ck%3AClosed%20Cell%20Foam%20Flotation Just be sure that the product is "closed cell" to keep out water. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY From cjlowe at sssnet.com Sun Apr 1 20:25:41 2018 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2018 17:25:41 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used old style main sail for IMF Message-ID: <1522628741471-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Due to advancing years, I'm starting to do goofy things.(yea, lets blame it on advancing years) I sent a member a main sail instead of a 130 jib. He offered to send it on to somebody who needs it, so I don't have to eat the shipping cost twice. This is the old style main for the IMF mast, NOT the vertical batten, newer style. The sail is at least 15 years old and has sat in my basement for the last 8 years in a sail bag. It was starting to get a little baggy, but should last a few seasons. Any offers? Jerry Lowe Country Rhodes '86 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rweiss at siu.edu Sat Apr 7 19:02:38 2018 From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 16:02:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tuning the shrouds Message-ID: <1523142158991-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Has anyone tinkered with tuning the upper and lower shrouds? What I have read says that a slack rig will put stress on the system through excessive movement and shock. My shrouds all seem too loose. I have purchased a tension gauge to measure tension, but am unsure about how many pounds of pressure to use. I realize this may be overkill for casual sailing, but I enjoy finding ways of tweaking the boat and am always looking for ways the extend the life of my beloved Rhodes 22. Bob ----- Bob Weiss Beach Spring 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 19:18:03 2018 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2018 23:18:03 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tuning the shrouds In-Reply-To: <1523142158991-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1523142158991-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi If you look in the manual that came with a boat you will find advice on tuning the shrouds. Fore and aft control rake and should be fairly tight. There is a control on the port backstay to adjust tension. Fore and aft side stays should be hand tight! This seems counter-intuitive but it comports with the way the boat is designed. Trust Stan. Cheers Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Sat, Apr 7, 2018, 4:02 PM rweiss wrote: > Has anyone tinkered with tuning the upper and lower shrouds? What I have > read > says that a slack rig will put stress on the system through excessive > movement and shock. My shrouds all seem too loose. I have purchased a > tension gauge to measure tension, but am unsure about how many pounds of > pressure to use. I realize this may be overkill for casual sailing, but I > enjoy finding ways of tweaking the boat and am always looking for ways the > extend the life of my beloved Rhodes 22. > > Bob > > > > ----- > Bob Weiss > Beach Spring > 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014 > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From snstaum at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 19:21:10 2018 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2018 23:21:10 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tuning the shrouds In-Reply-To: <1523142158991-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1523142158991-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Yes Bob a loose rig is trouble. I lost a forestay early in my Rhodes tenure thinking less tension is easier on the boat. Constant tension gives much more longevity to the rigging. I don?t use a gauge but just tighten all shrouds to equal tension. The archives should provide tension #?s as I remember the conversation years ago. Stephen Staum s/v Carol Lee 2 Needham, MA On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 7:02 PM rweiss wrote: > Has anyone tinkered with tuning the upper and lower shrouds? What I have > read > says that a slack rig will put stress on the system through excessive > movement and shock. My shrouds all seem too loose. I have purchased a > tension gauge to measure tension, but am unsure about how many pounds of > pressure to use. I realize this may be overkill for casual sailing, but I > enjoy finding ways of tweaking the boat and am always looking for ways the > extend the life of my beloved Rhodes 22. > > Bob > > > > ----- > Bob Weiss > Beach Spring > 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014 > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -- Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 13:27:07 2018 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 13:27:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tuning the shrouds In-Reply-To: <1523142158991-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1523142158991-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Bob, If you are asking about the IMF rig, throw the tension gauge overboard. The shrouds should be tightened by hand at the dock or mooring in a calm with both sails furled. The forestay tension should be set when sailing using the tensioner between the backstays. Fully tighten when close hauled and lighten up as you sail more broadly. Regards, Rick From rweiss at siu.edu Sun Apr 8 14:54:00 2018 From: rweiss at siu.edu (rweiss) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2018 11:54:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tuning the shrouds In-Reply-To: References: <1523142158991-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1523213640775-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks. This is very helpful. Bob ----- Bob Weiss Beach Spring 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Apr 9 09:42:29 2018 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 13:42:29 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tuning the shrouds In-Reply-To: References: <1523142158991-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Agree with throwing the tension gauge overboard. Recall a story several years ago where one of our members used a loos gauge to tighten up the shrouds and almost drove his mast down through his cabin top. Hand tighten is recommended. - Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Rick Lange Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 1:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tuning the shrouds Bob, If you are asking about the IMF rig, throw the tension gauge overboard. The shrouds should be tightened by hand at the dock or mooring in a calm with both sails furled. The forestay tension should be set when sailing using the tensioner between the backstays. Fully tighten when close hauled and lighten up as you sail more broadly. Regards, Rick __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From jefferson at iteract.ca Sun Apr 15 09:06:45 2018 From: jefferson at iteract.ca (Jefferson Lewis) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 06:06:45 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pandion traveller pix Message-ID: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I have been trying to find some info on John Lock's traveller but can't seem to open http://www.relevantarts.com/pandion/traveler.html. I'd appreciate any help! Jefferson Lewis SV Patience ----- Jefferson Lewis SV Patience 1976 Lake Memphremagog, Quebec -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From charles.gabriel at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 09:15:35 2018 From: charles.gabriel at gmail.com (Charles Gabriel) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 13:15:35 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pandion traveller pix In-Reply-To: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Suggest you enter the url of the missing page into the "wayback machine" at archive.org. I can see the text there but haven't found the pictures yet. On Sun, Apr 15, 2018, 9:06 AM Jefferson Lewis wrote: > > I have been trying to find some info on John Lock's traveller but can't > seem > to open http://www.relevantarts.com/pandion/traveler.html. I'd appreciate > any help! > > Jefferson Lewis > SV Patience > > > > ----- > Jefferson Lewis > SV Patience 1976 > Lake Memphremagog, Quebec > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From jlock at relevantarts.com Sun Apr 15 09:31:26 2018 From: jlock at relevantarts.com (John Lock) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 09:31:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pandion traveller pix In-Reply-To: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Jefferson, It's still there, but the page address changed a few years ago. You will find it here - http://www.relevantarts.com/rhodes22/traveler.html -- Cheers! John Lock ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ s/v Pandion - '79 Rhodes 22 Lake Sinclair, GA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 2018-04-15 09:06, Jefferson Lewis wrote: > I have been trying to find some info on John Lock's traveller but can't seem > to open http://www.relevantarts.com/pandion/traveler.html. I'd appreciate > any help! > > Jefferson Lewis > SV Patience > > > > ----- > Jefferson Lewis > SV Patience 1976 > Lake Memphremagog, Quebec > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > . > From Mark-Olson at verizon.net Mon Apr 16 04:37:58 2018 From: Mark-Olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2018 01:37:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crutch Message-ID: <1523867878389-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I have been raising my mast without a crutch. I have one person stand at the stern and raise it then hold as I tighten the winch which then takes over. But I think a crutch would be much better. I've looked and there are good ideas of what to build but I don't see any mention of height. Does anyone have an opinion what a good minimum would be? I'm thinking of using it for transporting as I only move it twice a year. Once to Nyack, NY and once back. The trip is about 35 miles. I'm not sure what the clearance is on the route so I want to know the minimum that would work well. Mark Olson S/V Satchmo -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Apr 17 16:18:15 2018 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 16:18:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crutch In-Reply-To: <1523867878389-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1523867878389-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7B0D7445-B845-4D44-A887-79EADF3E043C@sunnybeeches.com> Mark, My boat is currently a couple of towns away in the driveway of a canvas guy who is making a new cover for my Bimini, so I can?t measure anything for you at the moment. However, I can tell you from memory the the roller at the top of my mast crutch (an official GB product) is about 5 feet above the top edge of the transom. I?m not an engineer, but I?m would guess that if you use the GB mast hoist crane (or something similar) to lower the mast to a crutch that?s much shorter, you?d be putting a lot more stress on the crane and the mast base. It?s never even occurred to me to worry about clearance when towing the boat with the mast in the crutch. If you do have an especially low bridge to clear, then I?d suggest lowering the mast to the aft rail while standing on the lazarette. I?m only about 5?8?, but I can do this without much problem if I first lower one of the uprights that sticks up above the roller. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Apr 16, 2018, at 4:37 AM, Mark Olson wrote: > > I have been raising my mast without a crutch. I have one person stand at the > stern and raise it then hold as I tighten the winch which then takes over. > > But I think a crutch would be much better. I've looked and there are good > ideas of what to build but I don't see any mention of height. Does anyone > have an opinion what a good minimum would be? > > I'm thinking of using it for transporting as I only move it twice a year. > Once to Nyack, NY and once back. The trip is about 35 miles. I'm not sure > what the clearance is on the route so I want to know the minimum that would > work well. > > Mark Olson > S/V Satchmo > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From watermusic38 at yahoo.com Tue Apr 17 16:20:32 2018 From: watermusic38 at yahoo.com (elle) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 20:20:32 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off References: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> HI, Rhodies, I'm trying to get "Lady" ready to sell...I need guidance as to polishing the hull.? I believe it is paint...is that correct? (she was recycled by Stan & is the original whatever he puts on it...) What is on there and what can I use to spiff it up as there is oxidation in places. Hate to sell her but just don't have time to sail w/two grand babies .... thanks, all..... elle From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Tue Apr 17 16:28:34 2018 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 20:28:34 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off In-Reply-To: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> References: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Elle: I use a shurold electric polisher https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/document.do?docId=265 https://www.powerandmotoryacht.com/maintenance/how-buff-your-hull-right-way https://www.boatingmag.com/how-to-buff-your-boat 1. wash the hull with warm water and towel dry 2. apply Buff Magic Compound 3. apply pro polish wax [cid:image003.png at 01D3D668.F926AA80] [cid:image001.png at 01D3D668.C5C5E520] [cid:image002.png at 01D3D668.C5C5E520] Christopher P. Cowie 700 N Fairfax Street Suite 304 Alexandria, Virginia 22314 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of elle via Rhodes22-list Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 4:21 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off HI, Rhodies, I'm trying to get "Lady" ready to sell...I need guidance as to polishing the hull. I believe it is paint...is that correct? (she was recycled by Stan & is the original whatever he puts on it...) What is on there and what can I use to spiff it up as there is oxidation in places. Hate to sell her but just don't have time to sail w/two grand babies .... thanks, all..... elle __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 302316 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 232111 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 646029 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Apr 17 16:31:56 2018 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 20:31:56 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off In-Reply-To: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> References: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Elle, Where HAVE you been? You are still out there! Lady is up for sale, again. Anyone looking for a unique boat, Lady is the only Rhodes (that we know of) with wheel steering. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of elle via Rhodes22-list Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 4:21 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off HI, Rhodies, I'm trying to get "Lady" ready to sell...I need guidance as to polishing the hull. I believe it is paint...is that correct? (she was recycled by Stan & is the original whatever he puts on it...) What is on there and what can I use to spiff it up as there is oxidation in places. Hate to sell her but just don't have time to sail w/two grand babies .... thanks, all..... elle __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From snstaum at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 16:38:54 2018 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 16:38:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crutch In-Reply-To: <1523867878389-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1523867878389-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Mine is in my yard and the rain has stopped. The mast sits 61" above the transom on Stan's crutch. I tow this way as well and have never had a height problem. I did fabricate a 4" x 4" support beam that bolts to the mast mount and prevents excessive bowing of the mast. Stan says the mid support is not necessary but I feel better. Stephen Staum s/v Carol Lee 2 Needham, MA *Stephen Staum* *Pariser Industries, Inc.* On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Mark Olson wrote: > I have been raising my mast without a crutch. I have one person stand at > the > stern and raise it then hold as I tighten the winch which then takes over. > > But I think a crutch would be much better. I've looked and there are good > ideas of what to build but I don't see any mention of height. Does anyone > have an opinion what a good minimum would be? > > I'm thinking of using it for transporting as I only move it twice a year. > Once to Nyack, NY and once back. The trip is about 35 miles. I'm not sure > what the clearance is on the route so I want to know the minimum that would > work well. > > Mark Olson > S/V Satchmo > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From jadoucet at snet.net Tue Apr 17 17:27:41 2018 From: jadoucet at snet.net (joseph doucet) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 17:27:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crutch In-Reply-To: References: <1523867878389-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <6137C984-55C3-4B14-9BBE-FAE66C30B9ED@snet.net> Mid mast support On long trips we also use mid mast support. It is easy to construct with 2x4 s Red right returning Joe Doucet 203-512-5629 > On Apr 17, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > Mine is in my yard and the rain has stopped. The mast sits 61" above the > transom on Stan's crutch. I tow this way as well and have never had a > height problem. I did fabricate a 4" x 4" support beam that bolts to the > mast mount and prevents excessive bowing of the mast. Stan says the mid > support is not necessary but I feel better. > > Stephen Staum > s/v Carol Lee 2 > Needham, MA > > > *Stephen Staum* > > *Pariser Industries, Inc.* > >> On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Mark Olson wrote: >> >> I have been raising my mast without a crutch. I have one person stand at >> the >> stern and raise it then hold as I tighten the winch which then takes over. >> >> But I think a crutch would be much better. I've looked and there are good >> ideas of what to build but I don't see any mention of height. Does anyone >> have an opinion what a good minimum would be? >> >> I'm thinking of using it for transporting as I only move it twice a year. >> Once to Nyack, NY and once back. The trip is about 35 miles. I'm not sure >> what the clearance is on the route so I want to know the minimum that would >> work well. >> >> Mark Olson >> S/V Satchmo >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From jadoucet at snet.net Tue Apr 17 17:35:29 2018 From: jadoucet at snet.net (joseph doucet) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 17:35:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off In-Reply-To: References: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <83CED8F4-6DBF-42AF-BD6D-F642FA4A53CE@snet.net> Elk, The grand kids will grow, I guarantee it. By the age of 5 or so, they will want to sail. Our 4 GKs are 6-13. They all love sailing. Joe Joe Doucet Ridgefield CT > On Apr 17, 2018, at 4:31 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Elle, > Where HAVE you been? You are still out there! Lady is up for sale, again. > > Anyone looking for a unique boat, Lady is the only Rhodes (that we know of) with wheel steering. - rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of elle via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 4:21 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off > > HI, Rhodies, > I'm trying to get "Lady" ready to sell...I need guidance as to polishing the hull. I believe it is paint...is that correct? (she was recycled by Stan & is the original whatever he puts on it...) What is on there and what can I use to spiff it up as there is oxidation in places. > Hate to sell her but just don't have time to sail w/two grand babies .... > thanks, all..... > elle > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Apr 17 18:08:26 2018 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 18:08:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crutch In-Reply-To: <7B0D7445-B845-4D44-A887-79EADF3E043C@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1523867878389-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <7B0D7445-B845-4D44-A887-79EADF3E043C@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <002501d3d698$9e2c9010$da85b030$@ebsmed.com> Mark, I sincerely hope that you are not thinking of transporting the boat with the mast in the crutch and connected to the tabernacle. The resultant angle will place the top of the mast much too high for transport and the base will probably cause the tabernacle to pull out of the cabin top. The attached photo shows my home built crutch with the mast ready to be raised, illustrating the height of the top at the stern. You might also look closely at the image to see the lower crutch crossmember which I rest the top of the mast on when transporting (the foot rests on the bow pulpit). For those who are questioning the crutch height necessary to achieve the proper mechanical advantage of the mast crane, please review the attached pdf output of my Excel spreadsheet to calculation tension/compression on the crane throughout the motion from resting on the crutch to fully stepped. Please note that my crane is homebuilt designed using a 6 foot gin pole attached to the base of the mast. The crutch must be high enough to limit the tension to safe working loads for the line used. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Photo Aug 14, 10 20 20 AM.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3322741 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mast_calc_PC.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 71895 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rodellner at mac.com Tue Apr 17 22:39:58 2018 From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 21:39:58 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off In-Reply-To: References: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Elle Miss you. Soon those grand babies will be old enough to sail. Our partners took their 3-week old out on Blews maiden voyage on the St. Croix. She?s now 18 Skating professionally Hang in there Elle. How old are The grand babies?? Mary Rod St. Croix river Wisconsin Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Elle, > Where HAVE you been? You are still out there! Lady is up for sale, again. > > Anyone looking for a unique boat, Lady is the only Rhodes (that we know of) with wheel steering. - rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of elle via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 4:21 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off > > HI, Rhodies, > I'm trying to get "Lady" ready to sell...I need guidance as to polishing the hull. I believe it is paint...is that correct? (she was recycled by Stan & is the original whatever he puts on it...) What is on there and what can I use to spiff it up as there is oxidation in places. > Hate to sell her but just don't have time to sail w/two grand babies .... > thanks, all..... > elle > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From rodellner at mac.com Tue Apr 17 22:50:13 2018 From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 21:50:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off In-Reply-To: References: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3A328341-7E35-47F2-801E-429E2B7E3812@mac.com> Elle. We bungeed her car seat in the cabin. Still have the pix. What memories Mary Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2018, at 9:39 PM, Rod Ellner wrote: > > Elle > > Miss you. Soon those grand babies will be old enough to sail. Our partners took their 3-week old out on Blews maiden voyage on the St. Croix. She?s now 18 Skating professionally > > Hang in there Elle. How old are The grand babies?? > > Mary Rod > > St. Croix river > Wisconsin > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 17, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: >> >> Elle, >> Where HAVE you been? You are still out there! Lady is up for sale, again. >> >> Anyone looking for a unique boat, Lady is the only Rhodes (that we know of) with wheel steering. - rob >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of elle via Rhodes22-list >> Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 4:21 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off >> >> HI, Rhodies, >> I'm trying to get "Lady" ready to sell...I need guidance as to polishing the hull. I believe it is paint...is that correct? (she was recycled by Stan & is the original whatever he puts on it...) What is on there and what can I use to spiff it up as there is oxidation in places. >> Hate to sell her but just don't have time to sail w/two grand babies .... >> thanks, all..... >> elle >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Apr 17 23:37:20 2018 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 23:37:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off In-Reply-To: References: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00a601d3d6c6$8e7b72c0$ab725840$@ca> We set off on a one-month sail when my daughter was one month old. A year later we went on another one-month sail when she learned to walk on the boat. The problem is not that the kids are too young - it is that we get too old. I, for one, am really starting to feel it. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rod Ellner Sent: April 17, 2018 10:40 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off Elle Miss you. Soon those grand babies will be old enough to sail. Our partners took their 3-week old out on Blews maiden voyage on the St. Croix. She?s now 18 Skating professionally Hang in there Elle. How old are The grand babies?? Mary Rod St. Croix river Wisconsin Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 17, 2018, at 3:31 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Elle, > Where HAVE you been? You are still out there! Lady is up for sale, again. > > Anyone looking for a unique boat, Lady is the only Rhodes (that we know of) with wheel steering. - rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of elle via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 4:21 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] wax on...wax off > > HI, Rhodies, > I'm trying to get "Lady" ready to sell...I need guidance as to polishing the hull. I believe it is paint...is that correct? (she was recycled by Stan & is the original whatever he puts on it...) What is on there and what can I use to spiff it up as there is oxidation in places. > Hate to sell her but just don't have time to sail w/two grand babies .... > thanks, all..... > elle > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From sundsvalla at earthlink.net Wed Apr 18 12:16:20 2018 From: sundsvalla at earthlink.net (Tex Hill) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2018 11:16:20 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crutch In-Reply-To: <002501d3d698$9e2c9010$da85b030$@ebsmed.com> References: <1523867878389-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <7B0D7445-B845-4D44-A887-79EADF3E043C@sunnybeeches.com> <002501d3d698$9e2c9010$da85b030$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: I have occasional seen comments on transporting Rhodes with mast in various positions. For what ever it is worth, I have transported the boat for some long distances with the mast on the crutch and on the bow pulpit. That is the way Stan and brother told me how to do it. Also tied the mast to the mast step with a line. Tex Hill In God We Trust......Have a Blessed Day! > On Apr 17, 2018, at 17:08, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > Mark, > > I sincerely hope that you are not thinking of transporting the boat with the mast in the crutch and connected to the tabernacle. The resultant angle will place the top of the mast much too high for transport and the base will probably cause the tabernacle to pull out of the cabin top. The attached photo shows my home built crutch with the mast ready to be raised, illustrating the height of the top at the stern. You might also look closely at the image to see the lower crutch crossmember which I rest the top of the mast on when transporting (the foot rests on the bow pulpit). > > For those who are questioning the crutch height necessary to achieve the proper mechanical advantage of the mast crane, please review the attached pdf output of my Excel spreadsheet to calculation tension/compression on the crane throughout the motion from resting on the crutch to fully stepped. Please note that my crane is homebuilt designed using a 6 foot gin pole attached to the base of the mast. The crutch must be high enough to limit the tension to safe working loads for the line used. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Photo Aug 14, 10 20 20 AM.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3322741 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: mast_calc_PC.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 71895 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From scott.yellig at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 12:44:36 2018 From: scott.yellig at gmail.com (Scott Yellig) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 12:44:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Request for a Rhodes 22 tour in Michigan Message-ID: Hello, Stan Spitzer suggested that I contact the members of this mailing list to find a current Rhodes owner nearby. I live in Holland, MI. If you sail a Rhodes near me and are willing to show me what it is like to trailer, launch, sail and retrieve a Rhodes then please contact me. Thank you, Scott scott.yellig at gmail.com From michael.4591 at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 13:28:56 2018 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 13:28:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild Message-ID: I am planning on refurbishing my 1990 something Triad galvanized single axel trailer this summer so I can do some trailer sailing this fall. Looking for suggestions and comments. Contacted Michael Orro at Triad in Raleigh, NC. Read article on trailer maintenance in Practical Sailor that quoted him extensively. Received estimate of $1611 to replace axle & springs, 3 wheels & tires, brakes, brake actuator and assorted parts. He recommends I go with disk brakes versus current drum brakes and a heavier axle rated at 6,000 lbs. Recommendations and estimate seem reasonable to me. Mike Corley S/V Ranger 99 Rhodes Hampton Roads, VA From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Thu Apr 19 13:47:05 2018 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 13:47:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Request for a Rhodes 22 tour in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <162df0453db-c8a-3599@webjas-vad243.srv.aolmail.net> ITs been will thought out the trailer guides it in place, mast lift and cradle work well its lots easer than my old mac 22 sorry were not close to you were in NC. Mark West keywestseccorp at verizon.net -----Original Message----- From: Scott Yellig To: rhodes22-list Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2018 12:44 pm Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Request for a Rhodes 22 tour in Michigan Hello, Stan Spitzer suggested that I contact the members of this mailing list to find a current Rhodes owner nearby. I live in Holland, MI. If you sail a Rhodes near me and are willing to show me what it is like to trailer, launch, sail and retrieve a Rhodes then please contact me. Thank you, Scott scott.yellig at gmail.com __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From michael.4591 at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 18:34:14 2018 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 18:34:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Request for a Rhodes 22 tour in Michigan In-Reply-To: <162df0453db-c8a-3599@webjas-vad243.srv.aolmail.net> References: <162df0453db-c8a-3599@webjas-vad243.srv.aolmail.net> Message-ID: Welcome to the Rhodes 22 family. Go to Youtube and search Rhodes 22 Sailboat. Several videos out there. Link to one of them is below. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZNQjSyKD-g&t=1s Mike S/V Ranger 99 Rhodes Hampton Roads, VA On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Mark West wrote: > ITs been will thought out the trailer guides it in place, mast lift and > cradle work well its lots easer than my old mac 22 > sorry were not close to you were in NC. > > Mark West > keywestseccorp at verizon.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Yellig > To: rhodes22-list > Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2018 12:44 pm > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Request for a Rhodes 22 tour in Michigan > > Hello, > > Stan Spitzer suggested that I contact the members of this mailing list to > find a current Rhodes owner nearby. > > I live in Holland, MI. If you sail a Rhodes near me and are willing to show > me what it is like to trailer, launch, sail and retrieve a Rhodes then > please contact me. > > Thank you, > > Scott > scott.yellig at gmail.com > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From dstricof at gmail.com Thu Apr 19 18:59:07 2018 From: dstricof at gmail.com (Dan Stricof) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 15:59:07 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Request for a Rhodes 22 tour in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Scott, I will likely be launching my Rhodes 22 after about a one mile drive from our marine storage area onto Lake Leelanau on May 18th or 19th, weather permitting. Once I place it in its shore station which is about two miles away, I hope the same day to raise the mast. But I won't be re-trailering the R22 after that for quite a while. Compared to other sailboats I have owned the R22 gets used a lot more as it is so easy to get setup for sailing with the IMF main sail and roller reefing jib. It is also pretty easy to raise and lower the mast with the system Stan has created, but fortunately for me, once I raise the mast it stays up for the summer. As far as trailer use, it seems pretty easy too considering the size of boat. I had a friend tow it from North Carolina (where I purchased it without ever seeing in person or sailing a Rhodes 22) a couple of summers ago using my V6 Toyota Highlander which has a towing capacity of 5000lbs. He reported no significant issues with that relatively long haul. My trailer is a used/refurbished single axel that I purchased from Stan. Dan Stricof 520-289-6886 dstricof at gmail.com On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 9:44 AM, Scott Yellig wrote: > Hello, > > Stan Spitzer suggested that I contact the members of this mailing list to > find a current Rhodes owner nearby. > > I live in Holland, MI. If you sail a Rhodes near me and are willing to show > me what it is like to trailer, launch, sail and retrieve a Rhodes then > please contact me. > > Thank you, > > Scott > scott.yellig at gmail.com > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From boendert at me.com Thu Apr 19 19:21:05 2018 From: boendert at me.com (Theodore Boender) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 19:21:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <84007FE1-EBD9-49D9-B84A-0C2FE05C0F68@me.com> Highly recommend disc and the estimate sounds very reasonable to me. I?ve had nothing but trouble with my drum brakes. Cheers, Ted S/V AIRPOWER 1991/2013 R22 Jacksonville, FL > On Apr 19, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Michael Corley wrote: > > I am planning on refurbishing my 1990 something Triad galvanized single > axel trailer this summer so I can do some trailer sailing this fall. > Looking for suggestions and comments. > Contacted Michael Orro at Triad in Raleigh, NC. Read article on trailer > maintenance in Practical Sailor that quoted him extensively. Received > estimate of $1611 to replace axle & springs, 3 wheels & tires, brakes, > brake actuator and assorted parts. > He recommends I go with disk brakes versus current drum brakes and a > heavier axle rated at 6,000 lbs. Recommendations and estimate seem > reasonable to me. > > Mike Corley > S/V Ranger > 99 Rhodes > Hampton Roads, VA > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Fri Apr 20 13:13:48 2018 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 13:13:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004301d3d8ca$f2472aa0$d6d57fe0$@ca> So what is wrong with the trailer now that makes you think it needs a rebuild? Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Corley Sent: April 19, 2018 1:29 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild I am planning on refurbishing my 1990 something Triad galvanized single axel trailer this summer so I can do some trailer sailing this fall. Looking for suggestions and comments. Contacted Michael Orro at Triad in Raleigh, NC. Read article on trailer maintenance in Practical Sailor that quoted him extensively. Received estimate of $1611 to replace axle & springs, 3 wheels & tires, brakes, brake actuator and assorted parts. He recommends I go with disk brakes versus current drum brakes and a heavier axle rated at 6,000 lbs. Recommendations and estimate seem reasonable to me. Mike Corley S/V Ranger 99 Rhodes Hampton Roads, VA __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From scott.yellig at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 15:51:16 2018 From: scott.yellig at gmail.com (yelligsc) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 12:51:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Request for a Rhodes 22 tour in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1524253876279-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Dan, Thank you for the very quick response. Lake Leelanau looks like a great place to spend the sailing season. If I can find time to drive the 3 hours or so up to your area, would you be willing to show me around your boat? Scott. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From dstricof at gmail.com Fri Apr 20 16:33:50 2018 From: dstricof at gmail.com (Dan Stricof) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2018 20:33:50 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Request for a Rhodes 22 tour in Michigan In-Reply-To: <1524253876279-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1524253876279-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: You betcha. We will be in and out until it truly warms up, but by late June we will be there full-time until mid-September. On Fri, Apr 20, 2018, 12:51 PM yelligsc wrote: > Hi Dan, > > Thank you for the very quick response. Lake Leelanau looks like a great > place to spend the sailing season. If I can find time to drive the 3 hours > or so up to your area, would you be willing to show me around your boat? > > Scott. > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From jefferson at iteract.ca Sat Apr 21 06:36:54 2018 From: jefferson at iteract.ca (Jefferson Lewis) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 03:36:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pandion traveller pix In-Reply-To: References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks John! ----- Jefferson Lewis SV Patience 1976 Lake Memphremagog, Quebec -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From scranevmd at verizon.net Sat Apr 21 09:39:48 2018 From: scranevmd at verizon.net (Susan Crane) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 09:39:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> How often should marine batteries be replaced? I have had my boat for 3 1/2 years and don't know how old the batteries were when I bought it. Can they be tested or should I just think about replacing them this year? I certainly don't want to wait for a battery failure since my outboard is electric start and I am installing an auto tiller this year as well. Thanks for any help. Susan Crane s/v Whimsy Bohemia River Chesapeake Bay From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com Sat Apr 21 09:49:14 2018 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 13:49:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> Message-ID: <530856769.3001882.1524318554953@mail.yahoo.com> Susan,Wal-Mary, among others, should be willing to do a free test.? Their 5 year battery is a good replacement choice, even though not a "marine battery".? I have never seen a need for the more expensive battery in our LED world.??Best,Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Susan Crane wrote: How often should marine batteries be replaced?? I have had my boat for 3 1/2 years and don't know how old the batteries were when I bought it.? Can they be tested or should I just think about replacing them this year?? I certainly don't want to wait for a battery failure since my outboard is electric start and I am installing an auto tiller this year as well.? Thanks for any help. Susan Crane s/v Whimsy Bohemia River Chesapeake Bay __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com Sat Apr 21 09:56:29 2018 From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 13:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> Message-ID: <946327278.3023073.1524318989782@mail.yahoo.com> Spell chk intervened - should read Wal-Mart. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Susan Crane wrote: How often should marine batteries be replaced?? I have had my boat for 3 1/2 years and don't know how old the batteries were when I bought it.? Can they be tested or should I just think about replacing them this year?? I certainly don't want to wait for a battery failure since my outboard is electric start and I am installing an auto tiller this year as well.? Thanks for any help. Susan Crane s/v Whimsy Bohemia River Chesapeake Bay __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 10:07:22 2018 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:07:22 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> Message-ID: Susan, Unlike your mobile devices, your boat battery will gradually fade. A voltmeter will let you see how the battery is doing. When the battery can no longer hold 12v after charging from your motor, an auto tiller won't work. The best way to long battery life is to trickle charge it when you aren't using the boat. A solar charger is very convenient for this purpose. Regards, Rick From jadoucet at snet.net Sat Apr 21 10:19:30 2018 From: jadoucet at snet.net (joseph doucet) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 10:19:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: <530856769.3001882.1524318554953@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> <530856769.3001882.1524318554953@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6222C16A-40E2-48C0-ADB9-009D02F9CE7B@snet.net> In my experience one can expect 5 - 6 years from a well maintained battery. By well maintained I mean it is always charged after use and fluid levels are kept at the correct level by adding distilled water occasionally Joe Doucet 203-512-5629 > On Apr 21, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Susan,Wal-Mary, among others, should be willing to do a free test. Their 5 year battery is a good replacement choice, even though not a "marine battery". I have never seen a need for the more expensive battery in our LED world. Best,Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Susan Crane wrote: How often should marine batteries be replaced? I have had my boat for 3 1/2 > years and don't know how old the batteries were when I bought it. Can they > be tested or should I just think about replacing them this year? I > certainly don't want to wait for a battery failure since my outboard is > electric start and I am installing an auto tiller this year as well. Thanks > for any help. > > Susan Crane > s/v Whimsy > Bohemia River > Chesapeake Bay > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From scranevmd at verizon.net Sat Apr 21 12:35:00 2018 From: scranevmd at verizon.net (Susan Crane) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 12:35:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> Message-ID: <029e01d3d98e$b1842fd0$148c8f70$@net> I do have two solar panels on the boat so that should help. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Rick Lange Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:07 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries Susan, Unlike your mobile devices, your boat battery will gradually fade. A voltmeter will let you see how the battery is doing. When the battery can no longer hold 12v after charging from your motor, an auto tiller won't work. The best way to long battery life is to trickle charge it when you aren't using the boat. A solar charger is very convenient for this purpose. Regards, Rick __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From scranevmd at verizon.net Sat Apr 21 12:35:15 2018 From: scranevmd at verizon.net (Susan Crane) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 12:35:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: <6222C16A-40E2-48C0-ADB9-009D02F9CE7B@snet.net> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> <530856769.3001882.1524318554953@mail.yahoo.com> <6222C16A-40E2-48C0-ADB9-009D02F9CE7B@snet.net> Message-ID: <029f01d3d98e$ba7fafb0$2f7f0f10$@net> Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of joseph doucet Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:20 AM To: Art Czerwonky; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In my experience one can expect 5 - 6 years from a well maintained battery. By well maintained I mean it is always charged after use and fluid levels are kept at the correct level by adding distilled water occasionally Joe Doucet 203-512-5629 > On Apr 21, 2018, at 9:49 AM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Susan,Wal-Mary, among others, should be willing to do a free test. Their 5 year battery is a good replacement choice, even though not a "marine battery". I have never seen a need for the more expensive battery in our LED world. Best,Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Susan Crane wrote: How often should marine batteries be replaced? I have had my boat for 3 1/2 > years and don't know how old the batteries were when I bought it. Can they > be tested or should I just think about replacing them this year? I > certainly don't want to wait for a battery failure since my outboard is > electric start and I am installing an auto tiller this year as well. Thanks > for any help. > > Susan Crane > s/v Whimsy > Bohemia River > Chesapeake Bay > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 20:06:15 2018 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 20:06:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: <029e01d3d98e$b1842fd0$148c8f70$@net> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> <029e01d3d98e$b1842fd0$148c8f70$@net> Message-ID: Susan, what kind of solar panels do you have, and were they hard to install? Thanks, Frank __________________ Frank Goldsmith s/v Mary Bess Lake Keowee, SC > On Apr 21, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Susan Crane wrote: > > I do have two solar panels on the boat so that should help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Rick Lange > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:07 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries > > Susan, > > Unlike your mobile devices, your boat battery will gradually fade. A > voltmeter will let you see how the battery is doing. When the battery can > no longer hold 12v after charging from your motor, an auto tiller won't > work. > > The best way to long battery life is to trickle charge it when you aren't > using the boat. A solar charger is very convenient for this purpose. > > Regards, > > Rick > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From scranevmd at verizon.net Sat Apr 21 20:13:59 2018 From: scranevmd at verizon.net (Susan Crane) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2018 20:13:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> <029e01d3d98e$b1842fd0$148c8f70$@net> Message-ID: <8B3BFEC0-F5DA-4651-805E-738F3734FDA3@verizon.net> Sorry don?t know what kind. They came with the boat. Sent from my iPhone Susan Crane VMD > On Apr 21, 2018, at 8:06 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > > Susan, what kind of solar panels do you have, and were they hard to install? > > Thanks, > > Frank > __________________ > Frank Goldsmith > s/v Mary Bess > Lake Keowee, SC > > >> On Apr 21, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Susan Crane wrote: >> >> I do have two solar panels on the boat so that should help. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >> Rick Lange >> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:07 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries >> >> Susan, >> >> Unlike your mobile devices, your boat battery will gradually fade. A >> voltmeter will let you see how the battery is doing. When the battery can >> no longer hold 12v after charging from your motor, an auto tiller won't >> work. >> >> The best way to long battery life is to trickle charge it when you aren't >> using the boat. A solar charger is very convenient for this purpose. >> >> Regards, >> >> Rick >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From snstaum at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 08:57:47 2018 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 12:57:47 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> <029e01d3d98e$b1842fd0$148c8f70$@net> Message-ID: I have a 14 watt I gat from Defender. I believe the cost was about $120. The install was quite simple. I mounted on the starboard side forward cabin top w 4 screws all sealed with 3M 4200. I took the cover plate off the light in the head & drilled a hole from below so the wire would come down inside the fixture & out of site. The wire exits the fixture & is secured along the wall in the corner behind the head - almost invisible then goes into the galley cabinet to the far cabinet wall. I installed a simple spade cut off switch on the cabinet side wall to allow disconnect for winter then direct to the battery which is aft of the cooler. The unit keeps the battery hot all season on the mooring. I have a 12V chiller which I run for a couple of hours daily on the weekend so the solar panel is excellent. Call direct w any questions. Stephen Staum s/v Carol Lee 2 snstaum@ gmail.com 781-704-1037 - cell On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 8:06 PM Frank Goldsmith wrote: > Susan, what kind of solar panels do you have, and were they hard to > install? > > Thanks, > > Frank > __________________ > Frank Goldsmith > s/v Mary Bess > Lake Keowee, SC > > > > On Apr 21, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Susan Crane wrote: > > > > I do have two solar panels on the boat so that should help. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > Rick Lange > > Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:07 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries > > > > Susan, > > > > Unlike your mobile devices, your boat battery will gradually fade. A > > voltmeter will let you see how the battery is doing. When the battery > can > > no longer hold 12v after charging from your motor, an auto tiller won't > > work. > > > > The best way to long battery life is to trickle charge it when you aren't > > using the boat. A solar charger is very convenient for this purpose. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -- Stephen Staum Pariser Industries, Inc. From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 09:28:29 2018 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 09:28:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> <029e01d3d98e$b1842fd0$148c8f70$@net> Message-ID: <6E58F149-C3F3-4D69-876B-9BEC2F9E9C44@gmail.com> Thanks, Stephen. What year is your Rhodes? My battery is forward of the head, under the starboard v-berth, so possibly an older model? But I?ll bet I could make your system work somehow. Frank > On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > I have a 14 watt I gat from Defender. I believe the cost was about $120. > The install was quite simple. I mounted on the starboard side forward > cabin top w 4 screws all sealed with 3M 4200. I took the cover plate off > the light in the head & drilled a hole from below so the wire would come > down inside the fixture & out of site. The wire exits the fixture & is > secured along the wall in the corner behind the head - almost invisible > then goes into the galley cabinet to the far cabinet wall. I installed a > simple spade cut off switch on the cabinet side wall to allow disconnect > for winter then direct to the battery which is aft of the cooler. > > The unit keeps the battery hot all season on the mooring. I have a 12V > chiller which I run for a couple of hours daily on the weekend so the solar > panel is excellent. > > Call direct w any questions. > > Stephen Staum > s/v Carol Lee 2 > snstaum@ gmail.com > 781-704-1037 - cell > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 8:06 PM Frank Goldsmith > wrote: > >> Susan, what kind of solar panels do you have, and were they hard to >> install? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Frank >> __________________ >> Frank Goldsmith >> s/v Mary Bess >> Lake Keowee, SC >> >> >>> On Apr 21, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Susan Crane wrote: >>> >>> I do have two solar panels on the boat so that should help. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of >>> Rick Lange >>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:07 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries >>> >>> Susan, >>> >>> Unlike your mobile devices, your boat battery will gradually fade. A >>> voltmeter will let you see how the battery is doing. When the battery >> can >>> no longer hold 12v after charging from your motor, an auto tiller won't >>> work. >>> >>> The best way to long battery life is to trickle charge it when you aren't >>> using the boat. A solar charger is very convenient for this purpose. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Rick >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > -- > Stephen Staum > Pariser Industries, Inc. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun Apr 22 15:02:00 2018 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 15:02:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cushion layout In-Reply-To: References: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001d3da6c$65d223b0$31766b10$@ca> I am in the process of ordering new inside cushions for the main cabin and was curious to know what arrangement for the cushions is used today by most Rhodies. I have attached drawings for two alternative layouts and would be appreciative of any suggestions as to which might be better. The first diagram (final) with three cushions along the hull reflects the arrangement when I got the boat but I don't know if that was the original layout. The second one (revised B) where there is a single long cushion along the hull seems to reflect what I have noticed in some pictures of other Rhodes 22s and would be less expensive. Thanks to all. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Interior cushions Agile final.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 74103 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Bob Beach Spring, Recycled 2014 Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 2:02:00 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cushion layout I am in the process of ordering new inside cushions for the main cabin and was curious to know what arrangement for the cushions is used today by most Rhodies. I have attached drawings for two alternative layouts and would be appreciative of any suggestions as to which might be better. The first diagram (final) with three cushions along the hull reflects the arrangement when I got the boat but I don't know if that was the original layout. The second one (revised B) where there is a single long cushion along the hull seems to reflect what I have noticed in some pictures of other Rhodes 22s and would be less expensive. Thanks to all. Graham Stewart Agile. 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Cecilia On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 3:10 PM Robert Louis Weiss wrote: > My Recycled in 2014 Rhodes cushion arrangement is your second diagram. > And cushions A and C are then switched in position when you put them down > for the double bunk. > > > Bob > > Beach Spring, Recycled 2014 > > > > Robert L Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Graham Stewart > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 2:02:00 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cushion layout > > I am in the process of ordering new inside cushions for the main cabin and > was curious to know what arrangement for the cushions is used today by most > Rhodies. > > I have attached drawings for two alternative layouts and would be > appreciative of any suggestions as to which might be better. The first > diagram (final) with three cushions along the hull reflects the arrangement > when I got the boat but I don't know if that was the original layout. The > second one (revised B) where there is a single long cushion along the hull > seems to reflect what I have noticed in some pictures of other Rhodes 22s > and would be less expensive. > > Thanks to all. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Interior cushions Agile final.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 74103 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20180422/d30a8711/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Interior cushions revised b.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 47778 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20180422/d30a8711/attachment-0001.jpg > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Sun Apr 22 16:07:35 2018 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 16:07:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cushion layout In-Reply-To: References: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> <000001d3da6c$65d223b0$31766b10$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, my '86 has the setup of attachment 0001.jpg Cary On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 3:53 PM, C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: > Wonderful timing. We are about to spruce up our interior soon. Can you send > a picture of your new fabric choices as well? > > Cecilia > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 3:10 PM Robert Louis Weiss wrote: > > > My Recycled in 2014 Rhodes cushion arrangement is your second diagram. > > And cushions A and C are then switched in position when you put them down > > for the double bunk. > > > > > > Bob > > > > Beach Spring, Recycled 2014 > > > > > > > > Robert L Weiss Jr. > > Director of Music > > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL > > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > Graham Stewart > > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 2:02:00 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cushion layout > > > > I am in the process of ordering new inside cushions for the main cabin > and > > was curious to know what arrangement for the cushions is used today by > most > > Rhodies. > > > > I have attached drawings for two alternative layouts and would be > > appreciative of any suggestions as to which might be better. The first > > diagram (final) with three cushions along the hull reflects the > arrangement > > when I got the boat but I don't know if that was the original layout. The > > second one (revised B) where there is a single long cushion along the > hull > > seems to reflect what I have noticed in some pictures of other Rhodes 22s > > and would be less expensive. > > > > Thanks to all. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile. R22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Interior cushions Agile final.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 74103 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/ > 20180422/d30a8711/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Interior cushions revised b.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 47778 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/ > 20180422/d30a8711/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun Apr 22 16:21:30 2018 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2018 16:21:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cushion layout In-Reply-To: References: <895420852.1689586.1523996432912.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <895420852.1689586.1523996432912@mail.yahoo.com> <000001d3da6c$65d223b0$31766b10$@ca> Message-ID: <001401d3da77$7ff8ede0$7feac9a0$@ca> Cecilia: I have decided to go with plain sunbrella capri blue. Nothing special there. Just google that material and lots of examples will pop up. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of C Gabriel Sent: April 22, 2018 3:53 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cushion layout Wonderful timing. We are about to spruce up our interior soon. Can you send a picture of your new fabric choices as well? Cecilia On Sun, Apr 22, 2018, 3:10 PM Robert Louis Weiss wrote: > My Recycled in 2014 Rhodes cushion arrangement is your second diagram. > And cushions A and C are then switched in position when you put them down > for the double bunk. > > > Bob > > Beach Spring, Recycled 2014 > > > > Robert L Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Graham Stewart > Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2018 2:02:00 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cushion layout > > I am in the process of ordering new inside cushions for the main cabin and > was curious to know what arrangement for the cushions is used today by most > Rhodies. > > I have attached drawings for two alternative layouts and would be > appreciative of any suggestions as to which might be better. The first > diagram (final) with three cushions along the hull reflects the arrangement > when I got the boat but I don't know if that was the original layout. The > second one (revised B) where there is a single long cushion along the hull > seems to reflect what I have noticed in some pictures of other Rhodes 22s > and would be less expensive. > > Thanks to all. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Interior cushions Agile final.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 74103 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20180422/d30a8711/at tachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Interior cushions revised b.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 47778 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20180422/d30a8711/at tachment-0001.jpg > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From snstaum at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 08:37:29 2018 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 08:37:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: <6E58F149-C3F3-4D69-876B-9BEC2F9E9C44@gmail.com> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> <029e01d3d98e$b1842fd0$148c8f70$@net> <6E58F149-C3F3-4D69-876B-9BEC2F9E9C44@gmail.com> Message-ID: The Carol Lee 2 is an '83 and I added the second battery next to the chiller. My start battery is aft in the lazerette. The Carol Lee was an '87 and had the battery under the v berth next to the water tank Wiring to the solar panel is easier with your set up as once the wire goes behind the head it goes directly forward into the battery compartment. Stephen Staum s/v Carol Lee 2 Needham, MA *Stephen Staum* *Pariser Industries, Inc.* On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > Thanks, Stephen. What year is your Rhodes? My battery is forward of the > head, under the starboard v-berth, so possibly an older model? But I?ll > bet I could make your system work somehow. > > Frank > > > On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > > > I have a 14 watt I gat from Defender. I believe the cost was about $120. > > The install was quite simple. I mounted on the starboard side forward > > cabin top w 4 screws all sealed with 3M 4200. I took the cover plate off > > the light in the head & drilled a hole from below so the wire would come > > down inside the fixture & out of site. The wire exits the fixture & is > > secured along the wall in the corner behind the head - almost invisible > > then goes into the galley cabinet to the far cabinet wall. I installed a > > simple spade cut off switch on the cabinet side wall to allow disconnect > > for winter then direct to the battery which is aft of the cooler. > > > > The unit keeps the battery hot all season on the mooring. I have a 12V > > chiller which I run for a couple of hours daily on the weekend so the > solar > > panel is excellent. > > > > Call direct w any questions. > > > > Stephen Staum > > s/v Carol Lee 2 > > snstaum@ gmail.com > > 781-704-1037 - cell > > > > On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 8:06 PM Frank Goldsmith > > wrote: > > > >> Susan, what kind of solar panels do you have, and were they hard to > >> install? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Frank > >> __________________ > >> Frank Goldsmith > >> s/v Mary Bess > >> Lake Keowee, SC > >> > >> > >>> On Apr 21, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Susan Crane > wrote: > >>> > >>> I do have two solar panels on the boat so that should help. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > >> Behalf Of > >>> Rick Lange > >>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:07 AM > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries > >>> > >>> Susan, > >>> > >>> Unlike your mobile devices, your boat battery will gradually fade. A > >>> voltmeter will let you see how the battery is doing. When the battery > >> can > >>> no longer hold 12v after charging from your motor, an auto tiller won't > >>> work. > >>> > >>> The best way to long battery life is to trickle charge it when you > aren't > >>> using the boat. A solar charger is very convenient for this purpose. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Rick > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >>> > >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > >> go to > >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> > >>> __________________________________________________ > >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >>> > >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >>> __________________________________________________ > >> > >> __________________________________________________ > >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > >> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > >> > >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go > >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > >> __________________________________________________ > >> > > -- > > Stephen Staum > > Pariser Industries, Inc. > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 09:05:09 2018 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 09:05:09 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> <029e01d3d98e$b1842fd0$148c8f70$@net> <6E58F149-C3F3-4D69-876B-9BEC2F9E9C44@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Stephen. That?s very helpful to know. Frank > On Apr 23, 2018, at 8:37 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: > > The Carol Lee 2 is an '83 and I added the second battery next to the > chiller. My start battery is aft in the lazerette. The Carol Lee was an > '87 and had the battery under the v berth next to the water tank Wiring to > the solar panel is easier with your set up as once the wire goes behind the > head it goes directly forward into the battery compartment. > > Stephen Staum > s/v Carol Lee 2 > Needham, MA > > > *Stephen Staum* > > *Pariser Industries, Inc.* > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2018 at 9:28 AM, Frank Goldsmith > wrote: > >> Thanks, Stephen. What year is your Rhodes? My battery is forward of the >> head, under the starboard v-berth, so possibly an older model? But I?ll >> bet I could make your system work somehow. >> >> Frank >> >>> On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: >>> >>> I have a 14 watt I gat from Defender. I believe the cost was about $120. >>> The install was quite simple. I mounted on the starboard side forward >>> cabin top w 4 screws all sealed with 3M 4200. I took the cover plate off >>> the light in the head & drilled a hole from below so the wire would come >>> down inside the fixture & out of site. The wire exits the fixture & is >>> secured along the wall in the corner behind the head - almost invisible >>> then goes into the galley cabinet to the far cabinet wall. I installed a >>> simple spade cut off switch on the cabinet side wall to allow disconnect >>> for winter then direct to the battery which is aft of the cooler. >>> >>> The unit keeps the battery hot all season on the mooring. I have a 12V >>> chiller which I run for a couple of hours daily on the weekend so the >> solar >>> panel is excellent. >>> >>> Call direct w any questions. >>> >>> Stephen Staum >>> s/v Carol Lee 2 >>> snstaum@ gmail.com >>> 781-704-1037 - cell >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 8:06 PM Frank Goldsmith >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Susan, what kind of solar panels do you have, and were they hard to >>>> install? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Frank >>>> __________________ >>>> Frank Goldsmith >>>> s/v Mary Bess >>>> Lake Keowee, SC >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 21, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Susan Crane >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I do have two solar panels on the boat so that should help. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>>> Behalf Of >>>>> Rick Lange >>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:07 AM >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries >>>>> >>>>> Susan, >>>>> >>>>> Unlike your mobile devices, your boat battery will gradually fade. A >>>>> voltmeter will let you see how the battery is doing. When the battery >>>> can >>>>> no longer hold 12v after charging from your motor, an auto tiller won't >>>>> work. >>>>> >>>>> The best way to long battery life is to trickle charge it when you >> aren't >>>>> using the boat. A solar charger is very convenient for this purpose. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Rick >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>> >>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >>>> go to >>>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>>> >>>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >>>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go >>>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> >>> -- >>> Stephen Staum >>> Pariser Industries, Inc. >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >> >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ >> mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ >> > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From gjnovotny at comcast.net Mon Apr 23 11:43:34 2018 From: gjnovotny at comcast.net (Gary Novotny) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 11:43:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries In-Reply-To: <6E58F149-C3F3-4D69-876B-9BEC2F9E9C44@gmail.com> References: <1523797605113-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524307014809-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <027c01d3d976$37b2f640$a718e2c0$@net> <029e01d3d98e$b1842fd0$148c8f70$@net> <6E58F149-C3F3-4D69-876B-9BEC2F9E9C44@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0421f62e-9be8-a989-6037-426600c1fc34@comcast.net> To Frank and others looking to upgrade their battery systems to solar charging, Practical Sailor reviewed solar panels in a very recent issue this year. This article provides a good review of various types and their pros and cons. I can speak first hand regarding Renogy panels which is one of their budget recommendations and are available from Amazon. I use these panels in my hurricane power backup solar array and they work very well. I bought one to install on my boat but havent put it in yet. Of course with larger panels come the requirement that a charge controller be used to insure you don't cook your batteries. The latest thing is to ditch SLA or Flooded cell batteries altogether and use Lithium Iron Phospahate cell. Adventuresome boaters are starting to go this route. These type of battieries require special charge controllers that are programmed to handle their charge cyle requirements. My pocketbook says I'll wait for the prices to come down and see if this route proves out. Gary S/V Moon Shadow 1978 Rhodes 22 On 4/22/2018 9:28 AM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > Thanks, Stephen. What year is your Rhodes? My battery is forward of the head, under the starboard v-berth, so possibly an older model? But I?ll bet I could make your system work somehow. > > Frank > >> On Apr 22, 2018, at 8:57 AM, Stephen Staum wrote: >> >> I have a 14 watt I gat from Defender. I believe the cost was about $120. >> The install was quite simple. I mounted on the starboard side forward >> cabin top w 4 screws all sealed with 3M 4200. I took the cover plate off >> the light in the head & drilled a hole from below so the wire would come >> down inside the fixture & out of site. The wire exits the fixture & is >> secured along the wall in the corner behind the head - almost invisible >> then goes into the galley cabinet to the far cabinet wall. I installed a >> simple spade cut off switch on the cabinet side wall to allow disconnect >> for winter then direct to the battery which is aft of the cooler. >> >> The unit keeps the battery hot all season on the mooring. I have a 12V >> chiller which I run for a couple of hours daily on the weekend so the solar >> panel is excellent. >> >> Call direct w any questions. >> >> Stephen Staum >> s/v Carol Lee 2 >> snstaum@ gmail.com >> 781-704-1037 - cell >> >> On Sat, Apr 21, 2018 at 8:06 PM Frank Goldsmith >> wrote: >> >>> Susan, what kind of solar panels do you have, and were they hard to >>> install? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Frank >>> __________________ >>> Frank Goldsmith >>> s/v Mary Bess >>> Lake Keowee, SC >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 21, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Susan Crane wrote: >>>> >>>> I do have two solar panels on the boat so that should help. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >>> Behalf Of >>>> Rick Lange >>>> Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2018 10:07 AM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about batteries >>>> >>>> Susan, >>>> >>>> Unlike your mobile devices, your boat battery will gradually fade. A >>>> voltmeter will let you see how the battery is doing. When the battery >>> can >>>> no longer hold 12v after charging from your motor, an auto tiller won't >>>> work. >>>> >>>> The best way to long battery life is to trickle charge it when you aren't >>>> using the boat. A solar charger is very convenient for this purpose. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Rick >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>> >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >>> go to >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives >>> go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> __________________________________________________ >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >>> >>> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go >>> to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >> -- >> Stephen Staum >> Pariser Industries, Inc. >> __________________________________________________ >> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list >> >> For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >> __________________________________________________ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ -- Gary Novotny 7309 S Indian River Drive Fort Pierce Florida 34982 772-4660956 home 772-9715753 cell gjnovotny at comcast.net From michael.4591 at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 13:22:48 2018 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 13:22:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild In-Reply-To: <004301d3d8ca$f2472aa0$d6d57fe0$@ca> References: <004301d3d8ca$f2472aa0$d6d57fe0$@ca> Message-ID: Good question, a friend who has seen the trailer asked me that too. Stan told me years ago; "You don't sail the trailer." I guess mainly its age, 23 plus years, and the rust that is showing on the axle, leaf springs and wheels and the coupler is angling upward. For the last 19 years I have used the trailer primarily for winter storage with occasional trips to Edenton for the boat to get worked on. It is down there now and I will use it to haul boat back and launch in a week or two. Had the brakes redone locally in 2008, re-carpeted the boards, and some welding in 2013. Now that I am retired I want to do some trailer sailing in the Chesapeake and along the Carolina Coasts as well as some inland lakes. Maybe take it to Miami/Key West next winter. I guess I am thinking better safe than sorry. Problems on the road are disruptive and expensive! Mike S/V Ranger 99 Rhodes Hampton Roads, VA On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 1:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > So what is wrong with the trailer now that makes you think it needs a > rebuild? > > Graham Stewart > Agile. R22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario Canada > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Michael Corley > Sent: April 19, 2018 1:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild > > I am planning on refurbishing my 1990 something Triad galvanized single > axel trailer this summer so I can do some trailer sailing this fall. > Looking for suggestions and comments. > Contacted Michael Orro at Triad in Raleigh, NC. Read article on trailer > maintenance in Practical Sailor that quoted him extensively. Received > estimate of $1611 to replace axle & springs, 3 wheels & tires, brakes, > brake actuator and assorted parts. > He recommends I go with disk brakes versus current drum brakes and a > heavier axle rated at 6,000 lbs. Recommendations and estimate seem > reasonable to me. > > Mike Corley > S/V Ranger > 99 Rhodes > Hampton Roads, VA > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Apr 23 13:53:25 2018 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 13:53:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <004301d3d8ca$f2472aa0$d6d57fe0$@ca> Message-ID: <003a01d3db2b$fb547810$f1fd6830$@com> Mike, If the coupler is not straight I would replace the extension portion and put a new coupler on it. My 1981 extension failed as I was backing the trailer and boat down a ramp. When I applied the brakes, the front of the trailer went up as the stern came very close to the tarmac. The extension bar bent mid span. When the vehicle motion stopped, the tongue weight brought the bow back down and bent the extension bar back. With a 20 pound persuader I was able to slide the bar back into the receiver and launch without the extension at high tide an hour later. Once the trailer was home, it was a simple matter to replace the 2"x2" bar stock and attach a Walmart coupler (non-braking) with screws. I am not sure what the Triad trailer with coupler activated brakes is like so I am not sure if it may fail in a similar matter. Does it extend for launch and recovery? How would that be done with hydraulic brakes? Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael Corley Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:23 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild Good question, a friend who has seen the trailer asked me that too. Stan told me years ago; "You don't sail the trailer." I guess mainly its age, 23 plus years, and the rust that is showing on the axle, leaf springs and wheels and the coupler is angling upward. For the last 19 years I have used the trailer primarily for winter storage with occasional trips to Edenton for the boat to get worked on. It is down there now and I will use it to haul boat back and launch in a week or two. Had the brakes redone locally in 2008, re-carpeted the boards, and some welding in 2013. Now that I am retired I want to do some trailer sailing in the Chesapeake and along the Carolina Coasts as well as some inland lakes. Maybe take it to Miami/Key West next winter. I guess I am thinking better safe than sorry. Problems on the road are disruptive and expensive! Mike S/V Ranger 99 Rhodes Hampton Roads, VA From talbotpratt at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 14:04:22 2018 From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 11:04:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer Message-ID: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> In preparation from my third season with my 1989 R22 I decided to open up the trunk and figure out why the board is so loose laterally. Because you know.... that clunk, clunk, clunk when the board is not under load just doesn't sound very healthy. From my reading and looking at the trunk I think this is the newer diamond shaped board, but not positive. After reading all the posts I could find on the subject (which we very detailed but not really on my topic) I have managed to remove the furniture, remove all the 1/4" bolts, and loosen the trunk from the gasket. But am unable to removed the trunk I now I realize that there does not appear to be a way to remove the trunk with the board retracted as the aft upper corner of the trunk goes under the bulkhead a couple of inches. I had always read that the R22 boards can be serviced with the boat on the trailer. ie. the board remaining retracted during the service. Am I wrong, or did I miss something stupid that someone can explain to me? Pictures of my centerboard trunk below. https://photos.app.goo.gl/U28UICtKynKjS6Ma2 https://photos.app.goo.gl/VcPqqHZrEUVZ8caj2 Thanks, Talbot 978 801 1602 ----- Talbot Pratt S/V "Remains Nameless" Red bank, NJ 978 801 1602 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Apr 23 14:20:41 2018 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 14:20:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer In-Reply-To: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <004301d3db2f$ca4769e0$5ed63da0$@com> Talbot, The tension on the centerboard pennant must be released. The centerboard should rest on the trailer roller (or the axle). At that point, you need to remove the centerboard pennant hose clamp and then you should be able to maneuver the trunk cover forward to clear the rear obstruction. When reassembling, be careful not to jam the centerboard line on the cover, gasket or other items. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of talbotpratt Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 2:04 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer In preparation from my third season with my 1989 R22 I decided to open up the trunk and figure out why the board is so loose laterally. Because you know.... that clunk, clunk, clunk when the board is not under load just doesn't sound very healthy. From my reading and looking at the trunk I think this is the newer diamond shaped board, but not positive. After reading all the posts I could find on the subject (which we very detailed but not really on my topic) I have managed to remove the furniture, remove all the 1/4" bolts, and loosen the trunk from the gasket. But am unable to removed the trunk I now I realize that there does not appear to be a way to remove the trunk with the board retracted as the aft upper corner of the trunk goes under the bulkhead a couple of inches. I had always read that the R22 boards can be serviced with the boat on the trailer. ie. the board remaining retracted during the service. Am I wrong, or did I miss something stupid that someone can explain to me? Pictures of my centerboard trunk below. https://photos.app.goo.gl/U28UICtKynKjS6Ma2 https://photos.app.goo.gl/VcPqqHZrEUVZ8caj2 Thanks, Talbot 978 801 1602 ----- Talbot Pratt S/V "Remains Nameless" Red bank, NJ 978 801 1602 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From jjcampjr at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 16:11:16 2018 From: jjcampjr at yahoo.com (Joe Camp) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:11:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mainsail woes References: <1698462063.351531.1524514276765.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1698462063.351531.1524514276765@mail.yahoo.com> Hey Rhodies: ???? I had to order a new mainsail. That was easy enough, however installing it and making it work is another matter. This is a different layout that my other sails. The webbing loops at the attachment points is really thick.? It was tough to get it to work with the hardware from the sail we removed. But, we got is in and wound up. ???? On the boat, we were barely able to furl and unfurl. The sail, at the boom, seems to wind at a slightly different rate that at the head, causing it to crowd up the mast space at the bottom.? At the head, the big webbing strap catches and prevents furling and unfurling without a rigorous two man operation.? Has anyone faced these issues when installing a new sail?? It's past splash-day, and I want a wet boat.? Thanks. Joe Camp SV John Dawson Still on the hard in Hatboro, PA. From retiredtoby at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 16:32:16 2018 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 16:32:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mainsail woes In-Reply-To: <1698462063.351531.1524514276765@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1698462063.351531.1524514276765.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1698462063.351531.1524514276765@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Joe, where did you purchase your new IMF sail? Thanks! Cary Tolbert Radford, VA On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 4:11 PM, Joe Camp via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Hey Rhodies: > > I had to order a new mainsail. That was easy enough, however > installing it and making it work is another matter. This is a different > layout that my other sails. The webbing loops at the attachment points is > really thick. It was tough to get it to work with the hardware from the > sail we removed. But, we got is in and wound up. > > On the boat, we were barely able to furl and unfurl. The sail, at the > boom, seems to wind at a slightly different rate that at the head, causing > it to crowd up the mast space at the bottom. At the head, the big webbing > strap catches and prevents furling and unfurling without a rigorous two man > operation. Has anyone faced these issues when installing a new sail? It's > past splash-day, and I want a wet boat. Thanks. > > Joe Camp > > SV John Dawson > > Still on the hard in Hatboro, PA. > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From talbotpratt at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 23:08:21 2018 From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 20:08:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer In-Reply-To: <004301d3db2f$ca4769e0$5ed63da0$@com> References: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <004301d3db2f$ca4769e0$5ed63da0$@com> Message-ID: <1524539301151-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks Mike, Great instructions, worked perfectly. I just didn't nudge it hard enough the first time. Now that I have it all apart I'd like to check about a few part I"m looking at. Just to make sure I'm headed for the correct mark. Reference this picture: https://photos.app.goo.gl/maDQTWwNW8LEBB5f2 The pin is made out of that old phenolic wood material they used to make pulleys from. So I suspect its pretty old. The center is like new but the ends that contact the fiberglass groove are a little worn. It also fits sloppily into the hole in the board. So I will replace it with that Ultra-High Molecular Weight Polyethylene (UHMW-PE) somebody mentioned. Also there appears to be another bearing surface insert added to my centerboard off-center from the existing hole. It looks like a partial moon in the picture and is made of the same phenolic material . Is that normal? I'm going to put a new gasket on, even though this one looks fine. Somebody mentioned "Neoprene Rubber Thickness: 3/16 Width: 6 Length" So I will order that unless there is a more appropriate product. i want to replace the Pendant with new line. The line used really held up nicely, but it's old. What is the best wearing type of line to use for this? It appears the length to the T handle in the cockpit determines the proper down centerboard position. So I will copy the length I have. Reference this picture: https://photos.app.goo.gl/hRM0AYqCG7TrzGNF2 Finally, I undertook this project because the board was clunking back and forth when down and unloaded. I will add those 5/8" hoses in the centerboard pin slot that come back up to the trunk cover. But it does not appear that they will have a lot of effect when the board is down. instead it looks like the fat part along the top of the board, the part that never comes out of the centerboard well when the board is down, is what reduces the the clunking. Is there any trick to tightening up the space between the fat part of the board and the centerboard well in order to reduce the lateral movement. i tried measuring the board and well width, but the dimensions varied too much to get an accurate reading of the gap. Thanks again, Talbot ----- Talbot Pratt S/V "Remains Nameless" Red bank, NJ 978 801 1602 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Apr 24 11:39:25 2018 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:39:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer In-Reply-To: <1524539301151-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <004301d3db2f$ca4769e0$5ed63da0$@com> <1524539301151-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <001401d3dbe2$6dfa2c00$49ee8400$@ebsmed.com> Talbot, The gasket material specs and source are referenced in one of my old posts: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2011-January/067570.html I do not remember the pin being made of anything other than stainless steel tubing. I am not sure if you are looking at something "new" from Stan in an attempt to continuously improve the design. I am not sure if UHMWPE is better suited for this purpose. BTW, the clunking sound may be associated with vertical travel of the centerboard rather than lateral motion and the hose fillers may help dampen that motion. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of talbotpratt Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 11:08 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer Thanks Mike, Great instructions, worked perfectly. I just didn't nudge it hard enough the first time. Now that I have it all apart I'd like to check about a few part I"m looking at. Just to make sure I'm headed for the correct mark. Reference this picture: https://photos.app.goo.gl/maDQTWwNW8LEBB5f2 The pin is made out of that old phenolic wood material they used to make pulleys from. So I suspect its pretty old. The center is like new but the ends that contact the fiberglass groove are a little worn. It also fits sloppily into the hole in the board. So I will replace it with that Ultra-High Molecular Weight Polyethylene (UHMW-PE) somebody mentioned. Also there appears to be another bearing surface insert added to my centerboard off-center from the existing hole. It looks like a partial moon in the picture and is made of the same phenolic material . Is that normal? I'm going to put a new gasket on, even though this one looks fine. Somebody mentioned "Neoprene Rubber Thickness: 3/16 Width: 6 Length" So I will order that unless there is a more appropriate product. i want to replace the Pendant with new line. The line used really held up nicely, but it's old. What is the best wearing type of line to use for this? It appears the length to the T handle in the cockpit determines the proper down centerboard position. So I will copy the length I have. Reference this picture: https://photos.app.goo.gl/hRM0AYqCG7TrzGNF2 Finally, I undertook this project because the board was clunking back and forth when down and unloaded. I will add those 5/8" hoses in the centerboard pin slot that come back up to the trunk cover. But it does not appear that they will have a lot of effect when the board is down. instead it looks like the fat part along the top of the board, the part that never comes out of the centerboard well when the board is down, is what reduces the the clunking. Is there any trick to tightening up the space between the fat part of the board and the centerboard well in order to reduce the lateral movement. i tried measuring the board and well width, but the dimensions varied too much to get an accurate reading of the gap. Thanks again, Talbot ----- Talbot Pratt S/V "Remains Nameless" Red bank, NJ 978 801 1602 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From talbotpratt at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 16:46:08 2018 From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 13:46:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer In-Reply-To: <001401d3dbe2$6dfa2c00$49ee8400$@ebsmed.com> References: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <004301d3db2f$ca4769e0$5ed63da0$@com> <1524539301151-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <001401d3dbe2$6dfa2c00$49ee8400$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1524602768571-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Mike, Thanks again for the info on the neoprene. The link no longer works, but the part number does at McMaster. Unfortunately it's for a 6" width of 3/16" . My gasket is 7", measured twice, and when I looked at what 6" would cover, and its not enough, barely 1/2" past the holes, and way in from the edge. Anyone know where you can find this wider material? Current Gasket is 53.75 x 7 x 3/16". Mike, I'll bet my fiberglass flange was cut wider that yours. It looks hand done and kind of wavy. Thanks, Talbot ----- Talbot Pratt S/V "Remains Nameless" Red bank, NJ 978 801 1602 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From cjlowe at sssnet.com Tue Apr 24 22:47:22 2018 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 22:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ***POSSIBLE SPAM*** Re: Trailer Rebuild In-Reply-To: <003a01d3db2b$fb547810$f1fd6830$@com> References: <004301d3d8ca$f2472aa0$d6d57fe0$@ca> <003a01d3db2b$fb547810$f1fd6830$@com> Message-ID: <52661.24.140.30.102.1524624442.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Mike, The trailers with brakes have a rubber hose with a fitting similar to an air hose quick connect, that separates the brake actuator from the brake line. Once disconnected, the tongue can be extended. Jerry Lowe . > Mike, > > If the coupler is not straight I would replace the extension portion and > put > a new coupler on it. My 1981 extension failed as I was backing the > trailer > and boat down a ramp. When I applied the brakes, the front of the trailer > went up as the stern came very close to the tarmac. The extension bar > bent > mid span. When the vehicle motion stopped, the tongue weight brought the > bow back down and bent the extension bar back. With a 20 pound persuader > I > was able to slide the bar back into the receiver and launch without the > extension at high tide an hour later. Once the trailer was home, it was a > simple matter to replace the 2"x2" bar stock and attach a Walmart coupler > (non-braking) with screws. > > I am not sure what the Triad trailer with coupler activated brakes is like > so I am not sure if it may fail in a similar matter. Does it extend for > launch and recovery? How would that be done with hydraulic brakes? > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Michael Corley > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:23 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild > > Good question, a friend who has seen the trailer asked me that too. Stan > told me years ago; "You don't sail the trailer." > I guess mainly its age, 23 plus years, and the rust that is showing on the > axle, leaf springs and wheels and the coupler is angling upward. For the > last 19 years I have used the trailer primarily for winter storage with > occasional trips to Edenton for the boat to get worked on. It is down > there now and I will use it to haul boat back and launch in a week or two. > Had the brakes redone locally in 2008, re-carpeted the boards, and some > welding in 2013. Now that I am retired I want to do some trailer sailing > in > the Chesapeake and along the Carolina Coasts as well as some inland lakes. > Maybe take it to Miami/Key West next winter. > I guess I am thinking better safe than sorry. Problems on the road are > disruptive and expensive! > > Mike > S/V Ranger > 99 Rhodes > Hampton Roads, VA > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 07:39:13 2018 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 07:39:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer In-Reply-To: <1524602768571-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <004301d3db2f$ca4769e0$5ed63da0$@com> <1524539301151-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <001401d3dbe2$6dfa2c00$49ee8400$@ebsmed.com> <1524602768571-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Talbot, I?m also looking for the neoprene to make the gasket. My boat is a ?82, and the 5 feet length is fine. Anyway, let me know what you find, and if I find something I?ll let you know. Luis A. Guzm?n II http://www.TropicalMinds.com 941 580-1577 S/V Aquetxali > On Apr 24, 2018, at 4:46 PM, talbotpratt wrote: > > Hi Mike, > Thanks again for the info on the neoprene. The link no longer works, but the > part number does at McMaster. Unfortunately it's for a 6" width of 3/16" . > My gasket is 7", measured twice, and when I looked at what 6" would cover, > and its not enough, barely 1/2" past the holes, and way in from the edge. > Anyone know where you can find this wider material? Current Gasket is 53.75 > x 7 x 3/16". > Mike, I'll bet my fiberglass flange was cut wider that yours. It looks hand > done and kind of wavy. > Thanks, Talbot > > > > ----- > Talbot Pratt > S/V "Remains Nameless" > Red bank, NJ 978 801 1602 > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed Apr 25 08:58:36 2018 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:58:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer In-Reply-To: References: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <004301d3db2f$ca4769e0$5ed63da0$@com> <1524539301151-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <001401d3dbe2$6dfa2c00$49ee8400$@ebsmed.com> <1524602768571-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <002a01d3dc95$20e7b410$62b71c30$@ebsmed.com> Luis, Talbot needs a 7" width (the length and thickness are fine), which I have been unable to find. The original 6' x 6" x 3/16" neoprene is still available from MSCDirect.com as part number 83039842 for $23.65. https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039842?rItem=83039842 Once you have the material, simply get out a box cutter and a 1/4" punch and use the existing gasket as a template to cut the "slot". I prefer to use the actual fiberglass trunk as a template to punch the holes, being sure to slightly stretch the material to make sure that the gasket will lay flat when compressed (it expands when compressed). Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Luis Guzman Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2018 7:39 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer Talbot, I?m also looking for the neoprene to make the gasket. My boat is a ?82, and the 5 feet length is fine. Anyway, let me know what you find, and if I find something I?ll let you know. Luis A. Guzm?n II http://www.TropicalMinds.com 941 580-1577 S/V Aquetxali > On Apr 24, 2018, at 4:46 PM, talbotpratt wrote: > > Hi Mike, > Thanks again for the info on the neoprene. The link no longer works, > but the part number does at McMaster. Unfortunately it's for a 6" width of 3/16" . > My gasket is 7", measured twice, and when I looked at what 6" would > cover, and its not enough, barely 1/2" past the holes, and way in from the edge. > Anyone know where you can find this wider material? Current Gasket is > 53.75 x 7 x 3/16". > Mike, I'll bet my fiberglass flange was cut wider that yours. It > looks hand done and kind of wavy. > Thanks, Talbot > > > > ----- > Talbot Pratt > S/V "Remains Nameless" > Red bank, NJ 978 801 1602 > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives > go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From talbotpratt at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 09:01:56 2018 From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 06:01:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer In-Reply-To: References: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <004301d3db2f$ca4769e0$5ed63da0$@com> <1524539301151-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <001401d3dbe2$6dfa2c00$49ee8400$@ebsmed.com> <1524602768571-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1524661316416-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Luis, I have found and ordered a larger than required piece (minimum size order) from a rubber supply company. Will compare to my old gasket when it arrives and let you know all is good. I can then cut a slice off for you and send it directly from here Anybody know what type of line works best for a centerboard pendant? Talbot ----- Talbot Pratt S/V "Remains Nameless" Red bank, NJ 978 801 1602 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Apr 25 09:56:12 2018 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:56:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer In-Reply-To: <1524661316416-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <004301d3db2f$ca4769e0$5ed63da0$@com> <1524539301151-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <001401d3dbe2$6dfa2c00$49ee8400$@ebsmed.com> <1524602768571-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1524661316416-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <009401d3dc9d$2bc540c0$834fc240$@ca> Getting the right neoprene is obviously the preferred route but if you are only able to find neoprene in thinner stock you can layer multiple pieces to get the thickness that you want. In my case I had access to 1/8" material and found after some experimentation that 3M Hi Tack #76 spray adhesive does an excellent job of sticking the layers together. It bonds tenaciously but remains flexible. That said, the gasket did not work very well for me for reasons that remain unclear. Some previous owner appears to have cut the flange back on the trunk and cover reducing the area the seals. I also think that the neoprene that I was using might have been too hard - I assume it comes in various degrees of softness. Using sealant is a huge problem as when it cures it is extremely difficult to remove the cap in future and can squeeze into the centerboard area where it can gum up the pulleys that are used with the centreboard tether. In the end I had to add a strip of butyl tape to both sides of the neoprene to get a proper seal. Butyl makes an excellent seal, never hardens (there is no "open time to worry about), is less fluid and therefore does not squeeze out like sealant and has very low adhesive properties so the parts can be removed without difficulty. I realize that using any sealant is a sacrilege but if you have no reasonable alternative, it seems to me that the best choice is butyl. It worked well in my case. Graham Stewart Agile. R22, 1976 Kingston Ontario Canada -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of talbotpratt Sent: April 25, 2018 9:02 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer Hi Luis, I have found and ordered a larger than required piece (minimum size order) from a rubber supply company. Will compare to my old gasket when it arrives and let you know all is good. I can then cut a slice off for you and send it directly from here Anybody know what type of line works best for a centerboard pendant? Talbot ----- Talbot Pratt S/V "Remains Nameless" Red bank, NJ 978 801 1602 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ From talbotpratt at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 12:47:00 2018 From: talbotpratt at gmail.com (talbotpratt) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 09:47:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Servicing a centerboard from inside on the trailer In-Reply-To: <002a01d3dc95$20e7b410$62b71c30$@ebsmed.com> References: <1524506662465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <004301d3db2f$ca4769e0$5ed63da0$@com> <1524539301151-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <001401d3dbe2$6dfa2c00$49ee8400$@ebsmed.com> <1524602768571-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <002a01d3dc95$20e7b410$62b71c30$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1524674820620-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I found and ordered from a place that will cut the gasket to order (at least the outside dimensions). $28 plus $12 shipping. Here is the link to the product page. http://www.equalseal.com/Neoprene-s/1966.htm You have to email them with your custom order specs and they will send you a link you can order that specific item from. This was a bit more expensive than ordering twice what I needed and cutting it myself. But figuring in the labor savings a better deal, I think. If all you need is 6" then McMaster is a little cheaper. I still think it's interesting and a little strange that my flange dimension would be so much wider than Mike's. That's a big fiberglass tooling change. ----- Talbot Pratt S/V "Remains Nameless" Red bank, NJ 978 801 1602 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From pbryanriley at gmail.com Thu Apr 26 18:32:21 2018 From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2018 16:32:21 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild In-Reply-To: <003a01d3db2b$fb547810$f1fd6830$@com> References: <004301d3d8ca$f2472aa0$d6d57fe0$@ca> <003a01d3db2b$fb547810$f1fd6830$@com> Message-ID: Mike, I am in for the axle upsize. I stayed with 3500 because in Colorado a larger size automatically required that I add brakes so I stayed cheap. New dexter e z lube flexed so much that the inward tilt of the tires (top in) at day one disturbed me. I had to go to a machine shop to add camber to the axle to expect reasonable tire wear. As I have posted actual weights before my axle weight is very close to 3500. I emailed dexter axles customer service and inquired what average weight they target when setting the axle curvature but got no reply. Patrick On Monday, April 23, 2018, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Mike, > > If the coupler is not straight I would replace the extension portion and > put > a new coupler on it. My 1981 extension failed as I was backing the trailer > and boat down a ramp. When I applied the brakes, the front of the trailer > went up as the stern came very close to the tarmac. The extension bar bent > mid span. When the vehicle motion stopped, the tongue weight brought the > bow back down and bent the extension bar back. With a 20 pound persuader I > was able to slide the bar back into the receiver and launch without the > extension at high tide an hour later. Once the trailer was home, it was a > simple matter to replace the 2"x2" bar stock and attach a Walmart coupler > (non-braking) with screws. > > I am not sure what the Triad trailer with coupler activated brakes is like > so I am not sure if it may fail in a similar matter. Does it extend for > launch and recovery? How would that be done with hydraulic brakes? > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Michael Corley > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:23 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild > > Good question, a friend who has seen the trailer asked me that too. Stan > told me years ago; "You don't sail the trailer." > I guess mainly its age, 23 plus years, and the rust that is showing on the > axle, leaf springs and wheels and the coupler is angling upward. For the > last 19 years I have used the trailer primarily for winter storage with > occasional trips to Edenton for the boat to get worked on. It is down > there now and I will use it to haul boat back and launch in a week or two. > Had the brakes redone locally in 2008, re-carpeted the boards, and some > welding in 2013. Now that I am retired I want to do some trailer sailing in > the Chesapeake and along the Carolina Coasts as well as some inland lakes. > Maybe take it to Miami/Key West next winter. > I guess I am thinking better safe than sorry. Problems on the road are > disruptive and expensive! > > Mike > S/V Ranger > 99 Rhodes > Hampton Roads, VA > > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > -- Patrick Riley Lakewood, CO s/v Cleone From michael.4591 at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 16:09:57 2018 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2018 16:09:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild In-Reply-To: References: <004301d3d8ca$f2472aa0$d6d57fe0$@ca> <003a01d3db2b$fb547810$f1fd6830$@com> Message-ID: Thanks everyone for your comments. I have not seen the tire wear or flex Patrick described. Fairly sure it is the original axle on the trailer. I am either going to go with the upsized axle or a double axle, although I am quite comfortable towing with a single axle trailer. -Mike S/V Ranger Hamptopn Roads On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 6:32 PM, PBR wrote: > Mike, > I am in for the axle upsize. I stayed with 3500 because in Colorado a > larger size automatically required that I add brakes so I stayed cheap. > New dexter e z lube flexed so much that the inward tilt of the tires (top > in) at day one disturbed me. I had to go to a machine shop to add camber > to the axle to expect reasonable tire wear. As I have posted actual weights > before my axle weight is very close to 3500. I emailed dexter axles > customer service and inquired what average weight they target when setting > the axle curvature but got no reply. > Patrick > > > On Monday, April 23, 2018, Michael D. Weisner wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > If the coupler is not straight I would replace the extension portion and > > put > > a new coupler on it. My 1981 extension failed as I was backing the > trailer > > and boat down a ramp. When I applied the brakes, the front of the > trailer > > went up as the stern came very close to the tarmac. The extension bar > bent > > mid span. When the vehicle motion stopped, the tongue weight brought the > > bow back down and bent the extension bar back. With a 20 pound > persuader I > > was able to slide the bar back into the receiver and launch without the > > extension at high tide an hour later. Once the trailer was home, it was > a > > simple matter to replace the 2"x2" bar stock and attach a Walmart coupler > > (non-braking) with screws. > > > > I am not sure what the Triad trailer with coupler activated brakes is > like > > so I am not sure if it may fail in a similar matter. Does it extend for > > launch and recovery? How would that be done with hydraulic brakes? > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of > > Michael Corley > > Sent: Monday, April 23, 2018 1:23 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Rebuild > > > > Good question, a friend who has seen the trailer asked me that too. Stan > > told me years ago; "You don't sail the trailer." > > I guess mainly its age, 23 plus years, and the rust that is showing on > the > > axle, leaf springs and wheels and the coupler is angling upward. For the > > last 19 years I have used the trailer primarily for winter storage with > > occasional trips to Edenton for the boat to get worked on. It is down > > there now and I will use it to haul boat back and launch in a week or > two. > > Had the brakes redone locally in 2008, re-carpeted the boards, and some > > welding in 2013. Now that I am retired I want to do some trailer sailing > in > > the Chesapeake and along the Carolina Coasts as well as some inland > lakes. > > Maybe take it to Miami/Key West next winter. > > I guess I am thinking better safe than sorry. Problems on the road are > > disruptive and expensive! > > > > Mike > > S/V Ranger > > 99 Rhodes > > Hampton Roads, VA > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > > __________________________________________________ > > > > > -- > Patrick Riley > Lakewood, CO > s/v Cleone > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/ > mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list > > For the list Charter and help with using the mailing list and archives go > to http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ >