[Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
Stan Spitzer
stan at rhodes22.com
Mon Aug 27 12:43:19 EDT 2018
I have done it single handed at boat shows all over the country. Of
course I was in my eighties then. Great single handed option. The
booklet that comes with it does say that, "/One/ /man/ can raise the
mast without the GB mast hoist system. We just have not found him yet".
stan
On 8/27/18 12:29 PM, Joseph Dempsey wrote:
> If you're using the Rhodes mast Cradle and mast winch, you don't need two people. I've done it solo 4 times in one and a half years.
>
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> 1. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Mrbabs)
> 2. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Stan Spitzer)
> 3. Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
> 4. Re: Chris Cowie and GB (Joe Camp)
> 5. Re: Lowering the mast (Richard Beytagh)
> 6. Re: Lowering the mast (Curtis Ruck)
> 7. Re: Lowering the mast (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
> 8. Re: Lowering the mast (David Talbot)
> 9. Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
> 10. Re: Gallons per hour (Charles Nieman)
> 11. Re: Gallons per hour (Chris Cowie)
> 12. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
> 13. Re: Gallons per hour (Stephen Staum)
> 14. Re: Gallons per hour (S/V Lark)
> 15. Re: Gallons per hour (Rick Lange)
> 16. Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
> 17. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (elle)
> 18. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
> 19. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
> 20. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (marcelsophia)
> 21. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (Chris Cowie)
> 22. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (Stan Spitzer)
> 23. Re: Helping Other Rhodies (scranevmd at verizon.net)
> 24. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Charles Gabriel)
> 25. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Tex Hill)
> 26. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (S/V Lark)
> 27. Re: Photo of main cabin sole Rhodes 22 (Chris Cowie)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2018 12:10:51 -0700 (MST)
> From: Mrbabs <Marc at babineauins.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> Message-ID: <1535051451475-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
> proposition. Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
>
> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
> very respected helmsman himself. The term "partnering" can mean different
> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
> ROI would be.
>
> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
> needs to look like to entice interest.
>
> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
> profit?
>
> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
> support? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
> established starting with Stan's wish list.
>
> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
> online!
>
> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
>
> Humble and respectful,
> I remain
>
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps 2007/2013
> Westminster, MA
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps
> Westminster MA
> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 08:44:17 -0400
> From: Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> Message-ID: <a9ddf75c-3bf3-cd0d-67eb-8fff037bc324 at rhodes22.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Mark,
>
> Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The
> semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI
> (return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends,
> no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones
> meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for
> some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and
> mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class
> reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are
> the only husband here doing what you want to do".
>
> stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really
> want.
>
>
> On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
>> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
>> proposition. Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
>>
>> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
>> very respected helmsman himself. The term "partnering" can mean different
>> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
>> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
>> ROI would be.
>>
>> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
>> needs to look like to entice interest.
>>
>> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
>> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
>> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
>> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
>> profit?
>>
>> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
>> support? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
>> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
>> established starting with Stan's wish list.
>>
>> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
>> online!
>>
>> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
>> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
>>
>> Humble and respectful,
>> I remain
>>
>> Marc B.
>> s/v Baby Steps 2007/2013
>> Westminster, MA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Marc B.
>> s/v Baby Steps
>> Westminster MA
>> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> __________________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 17:32:39 -0400
> From: David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:38:48 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Joe Camp <jjcampjr at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chris Cowie and GB
> Message-ID: <2103667107.3502815.1535150328646 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi Friend;
> ???? And I am not starting this way to tickle your poo-gullet (or whatever the current hyperbole for ass kissing is) and I won't run this on and on (as I am wont to... most of the time, as writers and English professors do).? I only want to comment on your enviable cache of pure wisdom displayed on the list and acquired over the years of rebuffing long lines of grommet bandits (as my long departed cop buddy and USN veteran who served on a? a sea-going tug in the North Atlantic during WW Deuce used to quip when referring to insults to a sailor's scuppers out-flow ). There was? no time then for eloquent semantics (I really love that word, say it out loud, "semantics";? It belongs in a poem) when riding fifty foot swells while steaming west from the Canary Islands chained to a torpedoed troop carrier headed to New Jersey.? Crap! looks as if I did get carried away again.?? No matter.
>
> ???? Ergo, allow me to close with this gem of a statement: As it turns out, you, yes you Stan are my personal ROI associated with belonging to this boat family. That's it, Pappy.
>
>
> Joe Camp
> sv John Dawson
> Presumed floating on the Bohemia River, Earleville, MD.
>
>
> On Friday, August 24, 2018, 8:44:22 AM EDT, Stan Spitzer <stan at rhodes22.com> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> Thanks for your scholarly input.? I expect no less from you.? The
> semantics that pops out first in my read is the word "Return" from ROI
> (return on investment).? I know most of my growing up together friends,
> no longer with us, took the narrow read as "dollars".? Of course ones
> meaning for "return" is, rightly so, a personal one.? I started out, for
> some unclear reasons, choosing the one that meant a long, physically and
> mentally healthy, happy life.? One of my confirmations came at a class
> reunion.? A lady I had trouble placing, tugged at my sweater, "You are
> the only husband here doing what you want to do".
>
> stan, with a fuller response to your mail, still to come, if you really
> want.
>
>
> On 8/23/18 3:10 PM, Mrbabs wrote:
>> For Rhodies new and old, the continuation of General Boats is a positive
>> proposition.? Who wants to own an orphan boat, even if beautiful?
>>
>> How the continuation occurs is solely in the hands of the well known and
>> very respected helmsman himself.? The term "partnering" can mean different
>> things to different people. Investments or partnerships can be made with
>> time, talent or treasure. Interested parties rightly want to know what their
>> ROI would be.
>>
>> Those wishing to partner must set forth their vision of what a partnership
>> needs to look like to entice interest.
>>
>> But if one assumes the value of the business and real estate is $2,000,000,
>> simple math says General Boats would have to generate a profit of $14,000
>> per month to amortize a 20 year note. You would need to sell X number of new
>> and recycled Rhodes to pay the operating expenses plus generate the required
>> profit?
>>
>> Maybe the real estate has a higher value than what a boat manufacturer can
>> support?? I don't know the answers to any of these questions, but now that
>> we have embarked on a public discussion, maybe a basic framework can be
>> established starting with Stan's wish list.
>>
>> Speaking for myself, I would like to be able to access and order parts
>> online!
>>
>> We seem to be caught in the doldrums on this issue and although it's my hope
>> Stan lives another 92 years, the time and tide wait for no man.
>>
>> Humble and respectful,
>> I remain
>>
>> Marc B.
>> s/v Baby Steps? 2007/2013
>> Westminster, MA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Marc B.
>> s/v Baby Steps
>> Westminster MA
>> Sailing Narragansett Bay
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> __________________________________________________
>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to http://www.rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:17:46 -0400
> From: Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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> Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
>> __________________________________________________
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 21:54:05 -0400
> From: Curtis Ruck <ruckc at yahoo.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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>
> I don't have the General Boats nice/new mast raising lowering kit, but i
> have what appears to be a DIY raising lowering kit that works very well for
> single hand lift in low wind. in higher wind i just get a bystander at the
> marina to hold one of the shrouds against the wind for balance.
>
> The 2x4 on the mast end, is concave, to grip the mast, with a cheap ratchet
> strap to hold it against the mast. On the other end, it has two loop
> brackets. On the top side, i just attach the main sheet, and have the
> other end secured. On the bottom side, it has a line going from a cheap
> dinghy trailer winch through a block/pulley going to the fore stay
> attachment point.
>
> I attach the rear shrouds before raising so once its up, i can pull against
> them and the backstays to keep it from falling to one side or the other.
> then I quickly attach the rest of the shrouds, then the forestay/furler.
>
> It is a very very simple system. I've raised lowered in 10 knots of wind
> without significant issue. I've heard. the GB system can raise/lower in an
> hour. I can have this boat ready to sail in 2 hours. I'm not sure what
> optimizations Stan made in his system to have a sub 1 hour time... maybe
> the in-mast furling? Maybe quick adjusting stay/shroud rigging screws? It
> takes me 45 minutes just to get all of the shrouds/stays adjusted right. I
> do not believe my 1979 Rhodes sails good with loose rigging. I've
> typically adjust them to 200 lbs.
>
> --
> Curtis
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 9:17 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Main question, do you have any of the mast lowering/raising paranafalia?
>>
>>
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 5:32 PM David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
>>> __________________________________________________
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> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:39:24 -0400
> From: <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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> David,
>
> Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
> There is no need for a mast crane. It is really not that heavy and the
> second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip at
> about 30 degrees from the horizontal. The mast and genoa combo are easily
> supported by the bow pulpit.
>
> If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater. The IMF rig
> is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern. The
> crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
> above the horizontal (about 30 degrees). The crutch reduces the effort
> required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
> assembly. If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
> impossible to use the crane. Using a crane system requires a single
> individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case lines or
> shrouds get caught during the process.
>
> I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane system
> with four strong guys and two six packs of beer. Unfortunately, even
> increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower an
> IMF rig without a crane.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of David
> Talbot
> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
>
> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2018 22:49:21 -0400
> From: David Talbot <talbotdavid50 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
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> Thanks very helpful all
> Appreciate the time and feedback
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 10:39 PM, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
>> David,
>>
>> Two persons can easily raise or lower the original non-IMF from the bow.
>> There is no need for a mast crane. It is really not that heavy and the
>> second person is there for safety and when you need to change your grip at
>> about 30 degrees from the horizontal. The mast and genoa combo are easily
>> supported by the bow pulpit.
>>
>> If you have the IMF mast, the weight is considerably greater. The IMF rig
>> is best raised or lowered from a mast crutch located in the stern. The
>> crutch helps to start raising or finish lowering at a point that is well
>> above the horizontal (about 30 degrees). The crutch reduces the effort
>> required by the mast crane to start raising or finish lowering the mast
>> assembly. If the mast was perfectly horizontal it would be nearly
>> impossible to use the crane. Using a crane system requires a single
>> individual, although a second is recommended for safety and in case lines
>> or
>> shrouds get caught during the process.
>>
>> I have raised and lowered the IMF rig without the benefit of a crane system
>> with four strong guys and two six packs of beer. Unfortunately, even
>> increasing the beer ratio would not enable two persons to safely lower an
>> IMF rig without a crane.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> David
>> Talbot
>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 5:33 PM
>> To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lowering the mast
>>
>> Any suggestions out there for a 2-person lowering?
>> __________________________________________________
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 05:29:51 -0700 (MST)
> From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> Message-ID: <1535200191509-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
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> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts. Does this seem about right?
> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>
>
>
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:24:49 +0000
> From: Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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> Chris
> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles
>
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
>>
>> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
>> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts. Does this seem about right?
>> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>
>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>> Suite 300
>> Washington, DC 20007
>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 13:47:32 +0000
> From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> Message-ID: <E161A1CC-87F6-47CA-990B-39B32A6B3C27 at cowieassociates.com>
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> Trying to type on a phone. My basic question, does hp divided by ten provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
>
>
> Please note our new office address and phone number
>
> Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>
> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
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>
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com<mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Chris
> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles
>
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
>
> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts. Does this seem about right?
> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>
>
>
> -----
> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
> Suite 300
> Washington, DC 20007
> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:44:33 -0400
> From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
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>
> Hi Chris,
>
> I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables are
> like that of car mileage.
>
> However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at a
> constant rate. My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
> pushing through 5 ft waves.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Trying to type on a phone. My basic question, does hp divided by ten
>> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
>>
>>
>> Please note our new office address and phone number
>>
>> Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>> [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>>
>> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
>> mobile
>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>>
>> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Chris
>> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end ?????
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
>> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
>>
>> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided by
>> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts. Does this seem about right?
>> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>
>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>> Suite 300
>> Washington, DC 20007
>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:11:06 -0400
> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gallons per hour
> Message-ID:
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>
> Rick,
>
> I don?t understand. My 4 HP 2 stroke had a quart tank on the outboard. It
> would run 2 hours @ 4.5 knots & 1 hour @ 5.5 knots. Since consumption has a
> direct relationship to power output in any engine I don?t get how your 2
> stroke consumes the same at all power settings. When flying I owned
> aircraft with 108, 150 & 180 HP. They consumed 6, 8 & 10 gallons per hour
> respectively @ 70% cruise power. Sorry Chris, I don?t know the formula
> for computing consumption vs HP but the you can probably come up with one
> from the above #?s.
>
> Stephen Staum
> s/v Carol Lee 2
> Needham, MA
>
> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 11:45 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> I don't think so, especially with 4 stroke engines where the variables are
>> like that of car mileage.
>>
>> However, older 2 strokes are very predictable because they burn fuel at a
>> constant rate. My older 9hp burns a gallon each hour whether idling or
>> pushing through 5 ft waves.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 9:47 AM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Trying to type on a phone. My basic question, does hp divided by ten
>>> provide and accurate estimate of gallons per hour.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please note our new office address and phone number
>>>
>>> Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>>> [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>>>
>>> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>>> Suite 304
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>>> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=BD581F0%5D%0A%3E%0A%3E+700+N+Fairfax+Street+%0A%3E+Suite+304+%0A%3E+Alexandria,+Virginia+22314&entry=gmail&source=g>
>> <x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
>>> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
>>> mobile
>>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>>>
>>> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
>>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 9:24 AM, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com
>>> <mailto:blue66corvette at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chris
>>> This sentence makes no sense and how did you change to km at the end
>> ?????
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 7:29 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com
>>> <mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> A standard formula for an outboard is hp divided by ten or 8 hp divided
>> by
>>> equals .8 gallons per hour at 3/4 speed 5 kts. Does this seem about
>> right?
>>> That would give a five gallon tank about 25 km plus.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Christopher P. Cowie
>>>
>>> 4400 MacArthur Blvd, NW
>>> Suite 300
>>> Washington, DC 20007
>>> 202.342.2711 ex.204 ? 202.342.2691 fax ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> __________________________________________________
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>>>
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