From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jun  1 00:27:06 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 06:27:06 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
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Oooh!  I've got Hephaestus/Vulcan and Charybdis and Scylla to contend with
now.  WWOD, I always say (What would Odysseus do)

On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 2:19 AM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Be careful....Etna is spouting now and I imagine the straits of Messina
> will be none too friendly.
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
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> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:46 PM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I love the magic carpet analogy.  Sooo true!
> > Thanks for the pictures.
> >
> > Bob (palatka)
> >
> > > On May 31, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > We are all sailing vicariously through you two??..how special that this
> > is a 50th anniversary of another great adventure!
> > >
> > > Rod/Mary
> > > Wisconsin
> > >> On May 31, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
> > >> covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat
> > yard"
> > >> is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island of
> > >> Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work to
> > do.
> > >> I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll
> > settle
> > >> for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to this
> > >> segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my
> > first
> > >> long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning
> and
> > >> involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to
> Greece.
> > >> Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then;
> > being
> > >> much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole 4'
> > >> longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh
> and
> > >> the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
> > >> Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep
> you
> > all
> > >> posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this trip
> > with
> > >> an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really
> is
> > a
> > >> magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if you
> > >> enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes last
> > >> year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A
> clear
> > day
> > >> today.
> > >>
> > >> Chris Geankoplis
> > >> S/V ENOSIS
> > >> -------------- next part --------------
> > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > >> URL: <
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190531/825e30b6/attachment.jpe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Sat Jun  1 01:17:34 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 01:17:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
In-Reply-To: <AF5870B5-9106-445D-B086-5BC80CB7D1C6@gmail.com>
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 <CAMzGxuPiNPHuVrsHywEt53Oo9CeYyDNn8a2WWzbYG1qf_zMeAQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <167657127.595288.1559327514220@myemail.cox.net>
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The IMF main was $600. The 130 Genoa I just got last month ~ $1300 with a
window for traffic, luff window & luff pad for improved reefing.   The 175
Genoa was about the same but was 10 years ago.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
1983 Rhodes 22

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:46 PM Jose Faraldo-Gomez <jose.faraldo at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do you recall the cost for each?
>
> Jose
>
> > On May 31, 2019, at 5:33 PM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Doyle in East Greenwich, RI has made 3 sails for my Rhodes 22.  2 Genoas
> > (175 and 130) and a new IMF main.  They do a great job and are timely.
> >
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Carol Lee 2*
> > *1983 Rhodes 22*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:48 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Rhodes Colleagues,
> >>
> >> My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.  Any
> suggestions
> >> on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?
> >> Are North sails the best choice?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> Frank Goldsmith
> >> S/V ?Mary Bess?
> >> Lake Keowee, SC
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
-- 
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jun  1 01:21:56 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 07:21:56 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
In-Reply-To: <BFE35BB0-414E-4303-9E06-287ED1076D08@gmail.com>
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Thanks it really is!


On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 6:21 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> I love the magic carpet analogy.  Sooo true!
> Thanks for the pictures.
>
> Bob (palatka)
>
> > On May 31, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > We are all sailing vicariously through you two??..how special that this
> is a 50th anniversary of another great adventure!
> >
> > Rod/Mary
> > Wisconsin
> >> On May 31, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
> >> covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat
> yard"
> >> is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island of
> >> Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work to
> do.
> >> I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll
> settle
> >> for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to this
> >> segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my
> first
> >> long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning  and
> >> involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to Greece.
> >> Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then;
> being
> >> much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole 4'
> >> longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh and
> >> the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
> >> Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep you
> all
> >> posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this trip
> with
> >> an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really is
> a
> >> magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if you
> >> enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes last
> >> year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A clear
> day
> >> today.
> >>
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> S/V ENOSIS
> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >> Name: IMG_5031[1].JPG
> >> Type: image/jpeg
> >> Size: 758641 bytes
> >> Desc: not available
> >> URL: <
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190531/825e30b6/attachment.jpe
> >
> >
> >
>

From daysails at aol.com  Sat Jun  1 06:36:39 2019
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 10:36:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails
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You might want ot check directly with General Boats. They have new sails available at competitive pricing.? Joe Riley, S/V Second Wind.? Lake Hartwell, SC?


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2019 1:17 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Buying new sails

The IMF main was $600. The 130 Genoa I just got last month ~ $1300 with a
window for traffic, luff window & luff pad for improved reefing.? The 175
Genoa was about the same but was 10 years ago.

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
1983 Rhodes 22

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:46 PM Jose Faraldo-Gomez <jose.faraldo at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Do you recall the cost for each?
>
> Jose
>
> > On May 31, 2019, at 5:33 PM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Doyle in East Greenwich, RI has made 3 sails for my Rhodes 22.? 2 Genoas
> > (175 and 130) and a new IMF main.? They do a great job and are timely.
> >
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Carol Lee 2*
> > *1983 Rhodes 22*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 2:48 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Rhodes Colleagues,
> >>
> >> My North sails are pretty old and in need of replacement.? Any
> suggestions
> >> on where to buy new ones for a Rhodes 22, and how best to install them?
> >> Are North sails the best choice?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> Frank Goldsmith
> >> S/V ?Mary Bess?
> >> Lake Keowee, SC
> >>
> >>
> >>
>
-- 
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Sat Jun  1 09:02:49 2019
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 09:02:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
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I would stick to the eastern shore of the straits rather than risk
the ravenous undersea monster Charybdis that could swallow Enosis whole.
Worst case with the six headed Scylla only one of your crew will be snapped
up! I sailed through the straits several years ago and you can't help but
imagine all those things happening to Odysseus. We didn't see any monsters,
but the whirl-pools are still there.

~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180


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On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 1:22 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks it really is!
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 6:21 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I love the magic carpet analogy.  Sooo true!
> > Thanks for the pictures.
> >
> > Bob (palatka)
> >
> > > On May 31, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Chris
> > >
> > > We are all sailing vicariously through you two??..how special that this
> > is a 50th anniversary of another great adventure!
> > >
> > > Rod/Mary
> > > Wisconsin
> > >> On May 31, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
> > >> covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat
> > yard"
> > >> is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island of
> > >> Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work to
> > do.
> > >> I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll
> > settle
> > >> for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to this
> > >> segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my
> > first
> > >> long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning
> and
> > >> involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to
> Greece.
> > >> Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then;
> > being
> > >> much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole 4'
> > >> longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh
> and
> > >> the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
> > >> Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep
> you
> > all
> > >> posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this trip
> > with
> > >> an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really
> is
> > a
> > >> magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if you
> > >> enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes last
> > >> year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A
> clear
> > day
> > >> today.
> > >>
> > >> Chris Geankoplis
> > >> S/V ENOSIS
> > >> -------------- next part --------------
> > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > >> Name: IMG_5031[1].JPG
> > >> Type: image/jpeg
> > >> Size: 758641 bytes
> > >> Desc: not available
> > >> URL: <
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190531/825e30b6/attachment.jpe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jun  1 14:16:20 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 20:16:20 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med part dux (as in Ducks)
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Not sure what happened to the response. Nothing lost it was just a half
witticism.

On Sat, 1 Jun 2019 at 15:03, Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would stick to the eastern shore of the straits rather than risk
>
> the ravenous undersea monster Charybdis that could swallow Enosis whole.
>
> Worst case with the six headed Scylla only one of your crew will be snapped
>
> up! I sailed through the straits several years ago and you can't help but
>
> imagine all those things happening to Odysseus. We didn't see any monsters,
>
> but the whirl-pools are still there.
>
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
>
>
> Richard Beytagh
>
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
>
>
>
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> On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 1:22 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thanks it really is!
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > On Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 6:21 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > I love the magic carpet analogy.  Sooo true!
>
> > > Thanks for the pictures.
>
> > >
>
> > > Bob (palatka)
>
> > >
>
> > > > On May 31, 2019, at 3:56 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>
> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Chris
>
> > > >
>
> > > > We are all sailing vicariously through you two??..how special that
> this
>
> > > is a 50th anniversary of another great adventure!
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Rod/Mary
>
> > > > Wisconsin
>
> > > >> On May 31, 2019, at 2:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>
> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> Well I arrived a couple of days ago and found the boat fine if a bit
>
> > > >> covered in volcanic dust.  But that is to be expected when the "boat
>
> > > yard"
>
> > > >> is part way up the side of a dormant volcano (I hope) on the island
> of
>
> > > >> Ischia in the Bay of Naples.  There is about a week's worth of work
> to
>
> > > do.
>
> > > >> I was planning to have the hull painted but there isn't time so I'll
>
> > > settle
>
> > > >> for the "a pealing" look instead.  I am really looking forward to
> this
>
> > > >> segment of the trip because it will mark the 50th anniversary of my
>
> > > first
>
> > > >> long trip in a small boat.  Back then it was an 18'wooden lightning
>
> > and
>
> > > >> involved sailing to Sicily then to the heel of Italy and over to
>
> > Greece.
>
> > > >> Well I was young and bit crazy to attempt something like that then;
>
> > > being
>
> > > >> much more mature and experienced, I'm doing it in a Rhodes, a whole
> 4'
>
> > > >> longer!  Plus it doesn't leak and I don't have to sleep outside.  Oh
>
> > and
>
> > > >> the best thing is I get to do this trip with my wife.The trip from
>
> > > >> Barcelona was fun but I think this will be even more so.  I'll keep
>
> > you
>
> > > all
>
> > > >> posted and send along a few pics too.  I am glad I can share this
> trip
>
> > > with
>
> > > >> an appreciative audience and one so knowledgeable.  This boat really
>
> > is
>
> > > a
>
> > > >> magic carpet.  Attached is a view from my BnB, one that shows (if
> you
>
> > > >> enlarge it a bit)  The penultimate island I visited on the Rhodes
> last
>
> > > >> year, Ventotene (25nm) and just behind it Ponza (almost 50nm).  A
>
> > clear
>
> > > day
>
> > > >> today.
>
> > > >>
>
> > > >> Chris Geankoplis
>
> > > >> S/V ENOSIS
>
> > > >> -------------- next part --------------
>
> > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>
> > > >> Name: IMG_5031[1].JPG
>
> > > >> Type: image/jpeg
>
> > > >> Size: 758641 bytes
>
> > > >> Desc: not available
>
> > > >> URL: <
>
> > >
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun Jun  2 08:56:01 2019
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 05:56:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
In-Reply-To: <313145924.2821183.1558392806151@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <313145924.2821183.1558392806151@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1559480161756-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

How much are you asking?



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From mategotlowhook at yahoo.com  Sun Jun  2 19:05:38 2019
From: mategotlowhook at yahoo.com (mategotlowhook)
Date: Sun, 02 Jun 2019 19:05:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
In-Reply-To: <1559480161756-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.686.1559516747.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

$800 is the price.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> Date: 6/2/19  8:56 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available How much are you asking?--Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 19:46:40 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 16:46:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1992 Rhodes 22 rebuilt 2007 FOR SALE 12,
	500 Toledo Oh.
In-Reply-To: <CAJpQT52NUW8w-C6PwrcPM_ULNA9XG8vmht7FTK=9pCO=ByRUbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJpQT52NUW8w-C6PwrcPM_ULNA9XG8vmht7FTK=9pCO=ByRUbg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1559692000583-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Bill, is Shadow still for sale?  I'm looking at options for purchasing a R22.

Thanks,
Jesse Shumaker
Omaha, Nebraska



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From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 20:55:55 2019
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 00:55:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1992 Rhodes 22 rebuilt 2007 FOR SALE 12,
 500 Toledo Oh.
In-Reply-To: <1559692000583-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAJpQT52NUW8w-C6PwrcPM_ULNA9XG8vmht7FTK=9pCO=ByRUbg@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB48755A4A95A777A9592E6AB6A6160@DM6PR07MB4875.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

[Image]
Shadow is no longer for sale. She is now called Our Happiest Hour and I am her new - very happy - captain!

Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 7:46 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 1992 Rhodes 22 rebuilt 2007 FOR SALE 12, 500 Toledo Oh.

Bill, is Shadow still for sale? I'm looking at options for purchasing a R22.

Thanks,
Jesse Shumaker
Omaha, Nebraska



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 06:42:04 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 05:42:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1992 Rhodes 22 rebuilt 2007 FOR SALE 12,
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Thanks for letting me know.  Congratulations Captain!

On Tue, Jun 4, 2019 at 7:56 PM Alexis Seigneurin <
alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:

> [Image]
> Shadow is no longer for sale. She is now called Our Happiest Hour and I am
> her new - very happy - captain!
>
> Alexis
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 7:46 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 1992 Rhodes 22 rebuilt 2007 FOR SALE 12, 500
> Toledo Oh.
>
> Bill, is Shadow still for sale? I'm looking at options for purchasing a
> R22.
>
> Thanks,
> Jesse Shumaker
> Omaha, Nebraska
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From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:51:21 2019
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (luis.guzman.ve)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 10:51:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1992 Rhodes 22 rebuilt 2007 FOR SALE 12,
 500 Toledo Oh.
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Message-ID: <5cf7d6ee.1c69fb81.fbac8.60ec@mx.google.com>

I have a 1983 Rhodes 22 that I would like to sell. It has a 2 year old 9hp engine with electric start and alternator to charge the battery. I also has a solar panel to keep the battery charged.?It needs a new furler for the jib.?Sorry, but it does not have IMF.Trailer is in good condition.It does need bottom paint, the seal of the center board trunk ( I do have the material. Just needs to be cut), and some love. Mostly clean up.?It is located in Bradenton, Florida.LuisS/V? AquetxaliSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> Date: 6/4/19  8:55 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 1992 Rhodes 22 rebuilt 2007 FOR SALE 12, 500 Toledo Oh. [Image]Shadow is no longer for sale. She is now called Our Happiest Hour and I am her new - very happy - captain!Alexis________________________________From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>Sent: Tuesday, June 4, 2019 7:46 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 1992 Rhodes 22 rebuilt 2007 FOR SALE 12, 500 Toledo Oh.Bill, is Shadow still for sale? I'm looking at options for purchasing a R22.Thanks,Jesse ShumakerOmaha, Nebraska--Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: Image-6.pngType: image/jpegSize: 605780 bytesDesc: Image-6.pngURL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190605/9c805baf/attachment.jpe>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Jun  5 19:05:50 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:05:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <8a1c43da-a7c8-a5fd-a4e6-51da59234e4f@site-solutions.com>
References: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>
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Wow!  What's going on?  Storm clouds?

I went on a 10-day cruise and maintained WiFi silence, attempting to disconnect from the world and simply go for a sail.  As I sit and read da list I am truly concerned by the traffic, opinions and the requests.  I thought that we were a family, of sorts.

I have been asked by a few of you to remove certain members or prohibit their attempts to source sailing hardware or "compete" with General Boats.  As I have said to those list members and now to the entire list membership, I am the keeper of the list, not the owner.  I will not impose control, censure or remove members, unless specified by our charter.  While there is no doubt that Stan has benefitted from those who participate on the list as his customer service department, in-service education department, test pilots and cheering section, the list does not belong to General Boats nor was it conceived of as a part of GB.  Most of us have felt that our participation was well worth the time and effort.  Stan has usually found a way to say more than a simple thank you.  As a result, I have been happy to cough up the couple of hundred bucks a year it takes to host da list and help members learn to perform repairs or sail whenever time permits.

For those of us who have been working with Stan for decades (Stan and I met in 1980), we know that while his business practices and his communications skills sometimes come up a little short, he rarely ignores the persistent customer for very long.  I cannot imagine trying to operate an undercapitalized business like GB for all these years, especially when in his 90s.  His success is probably due to his stubbornness and exceptional work ethic.  I think that he can handle himself in the face of competition.

The discussion has, for the most part, been very interesting.  I am not alarmed by the thought that Chris will compete for the recycled market.  Clashes with Stan's goals are not unknown to da list.  We all have the right to support any supplier.  Some will undoubtedly chose GB while others will go directly to manufacturers (Dwyer, Doyle, etc.) or elect to purchase from Defender, West Marine or Voilier Yachts.  Hopefully, each will provide important choices that will enhance the used Rhodes 22 market.

Free enterprise, competition, adventures, free exchange of ideas, Rhodes 22 repairs and sailing instruction is what makes this list valuable to me.  After all these years I think that it still serves a worthwhile purpose and I wouldn't want to change a thing.  My hat's off to the founding members and those who have made contributions over the years.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Dennis
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 4:10 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

I've been off list for some time, and just lurking at other times - so throw that into the mix when reading below.

I'm an entrepreneur, and can appreciate the effort Stan has put into building General Boats, the risks he took to make it happen, the failures he had to 'engineer' around, and the stresses he had to put on his family while all the above was going on. For all that and much more, Stan and his family deserve huge congratulations.

Being an entrepreneur involves more that just the massive efforts indicated above however. There are also the "minor" issues of marketing and customer service. Stan has attended innumerable boat shows to expose the gem the Rhodes 22 has become, and by hook or by crook, Stan has pulled together a web site(s). Driving traffic to a web site is another matter though. It's handy to have a list of interested owners you can address when you're launching a new product or selling off old inventory
- and Stan has used this list for both.

Which brings us to this list - or DaList, as Rummy liked to call it. 
First off - thanks to the folks who pulled it together and have grown it to its present size. The present owner or administrator is truly the person who can dictate whether DaList can be used for commercial purposes, and to what extent. If Stan is running the list, he has the power to ban members who offer parts (or boats) for sale. If someone else is running the show, it's their call to make - despite the fact that their call may rub Stan the wrong way. I'm sure Rhodes 22 owners everywhere appreciate being aware of parts or boats that become available - that's part of what makes this community thrive.

I really appreciate owning one of Stan's fleet, and don't want to take the shine off the effort he's made to build General Boats - but if he doesn't own the list, he really shouldn't be laying claim to it or objecting to any posts that don't break DaRules.

I think Stan has made a great move by involving others in fulfilling parts orders. Getting those orders turned around sooner rather than later will certainly add to General Boat's shine, as will improving communications with customers trying to buy parts (or those who simply have questions). It's nice when someone picks up the phone when you call, or responds the next day if you leave a voicemail or send an email. Those two improvements alone are huge in the eyes of DaList. Did I mention the importance of customer service? <chuckle>

That's it - off my soap box. Enjoy the season!

Dennis McNeely
Magic Moments

PS It's good to see you and Dynamic Equilibrium here again Roger!
       ... and thanks for sending links letting me crew with you on Enosis 1 Chris - if only in my imagination :)


On 5/25/2019 5:24 PM, stan wrote:
>
> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of 
> directors.  So before we submit a book size White Paper response to 
> Chris Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, 
> we feel we should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the 
> List, before a declaration of war:
>
> "/Hi Chris, /
>
> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale 
> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are 
> seriously hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have 
> several refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening here 
> truly affect your interests.  Any and all input from the List will be 
> thoughtfully responded to.
>
> thanks for hearing,
> stan
>
>


From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 19:37:42 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:37:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jKCzXiL0mxwa6AX=ABnKaMZfDKSg1dSX7vXKQwqMtmzww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <bb3fefda-aafa-855c-2eab-c02a6b4972e0@generalboats.com>
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Message-ID: <B5F3F785-CF6D-4384-B446-8A594FF8DAEB@gmail.com>

Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are the real owner of the list!

On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could lie down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started looking around and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go out again cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then started mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more awesome) than other boats.
Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he could ?fix it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!). 
So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out eventually,
But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
???
Ha!
So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant be a Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i guess i can transfer it?  Thoughts?
?
Rhodes 22 forever!

Bob (Palatka)





> On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist since
> 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
> partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
> just trying to squeeze Stan out!
> Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
> 
> Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hampton Roads
> 
> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have any
>> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>> 
>> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  .... fro
>> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with this
>> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
>> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>> 
>> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes 22, or
>> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies under a
>> least two of those points.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Bob
>> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>> 
>> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>> 
>> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
>> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
>> show.
>> 
>> 
>> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about using a
>> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and marketed
>> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat Show in
>> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry against
>> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base and
>> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ?right thing?
>> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and services.
>> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>> 
>> 
>> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
>> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis on the
>> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we were
>> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us while
>> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
>> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these dolphins
>> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much
>> alive
>>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>>> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>>>  I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
>>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to
>> the
>>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have it, i
>>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made the
>>> drive.
>>>  Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep
>>> things operational right!!!???
>>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
>>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age out
>>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
>>> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a
>>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
>>> order for soft and small parts.
>>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
>> market
>>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
>> endeavor
>>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s
>> that
>>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
>>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if you
>>> are still reading.
>>> 
>>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>> rudderpost
>>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and
>>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and looks
>> much
>>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all
>> that
>>> WAS your idea!
>>> 
>>> Bob (Palatka)
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
>>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will
>> pass
>>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to
>>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find she
>>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this option.
>>>> Remember that time flies.
>>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going
>> on
>>> here?
>>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but not
>>>> understanding
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
>>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
>>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
>>> Nabble.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
>>> probably
>>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which is
>>> more
>>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list
>> for
>>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
>>> bumped
>>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because
>> of
>>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
>>> parts
>>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
>>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I
>>> stop
>>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime in
>>> my
>>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
>>> program.
>>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
>> but I
>>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and defend
>>> Stan.
>>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before he
>>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making him
>>> this
>>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
>>> drive
>>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
>>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in his
>>> Will
>>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
>> made
>>>>> him that offer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's supportive
>>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
>> how
>>> a
>>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
>>> supposed
>>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a
>> brand? b
>>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members who've
>>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
>>> Stan's
>>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
>>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may certainly
>>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
>>> not a
>>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
>>> Chris
>>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
>>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our
>>> fleet.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>>>>> Stan;
>>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
>>> this,
>>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
>>> helps
>>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
>>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
>> while
>>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an
>>> expiration
>>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could
>> you
>>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
>> plan
>>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
>> such.
>>> He
>>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish
>>> both
>>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Charles
>>>>> 98 R 22
>>>>> s/v DayDreams
>>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board of
>>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>> Chris
>>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>> feel
>>> we
>>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before a
>>>>> declaration of war:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>> seriously
>>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
>> here
>>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
>>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>>>>>> stan
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 03:02:46 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 09:02:46 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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.....
Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing and
the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I did
the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and accomplished
Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the San
Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat and he
will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money for those
(grin).

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are the
> real owner of the list!
>
>
>
> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put
> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could lie
> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started looking around
> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go out again
> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then started
> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more awesome)
> than other boats.
>
> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he could ?fix
> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>
> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>
> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
> eventually,
>
> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>
> ???
>
> Ha!
>
> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant be a
> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i guess i
> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>
> ?
>
> Rhodes 22 forever!
>
>
>
> Bob (Palatka)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist
> since
>
> > 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
>
> > partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
>
> > just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>
> > Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>
> >
>
> > Mike Corley
>
> > S/V Ranger
>
> > Hampton Roads
>
> >
>
> > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have
> any
>
> >> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>
> >>
>
> >> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  ....
> fro
>
> >> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with this
>
> >> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
>
> >> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>
> >>
>
> >> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>
> >> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes
> 22, or
>
> >> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies under
> a
>
> >> least two of those points.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
> >>
>
> >> ________________________________
>
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Bob
>
> >> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>
>
> >> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>
> >>
>
> >> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
>
> >> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
>
> >> show.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about
> using a
>
> >> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and
> marketed
>
> >> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat
> Show in
>
> >> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
> against
>
> >> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base and
>
> >> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ?right
> thing?
>
> >> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
> services.
>
> >> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
>
> >> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis on
> the
>
> >> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we were
>
> >> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us
> while
>
> >> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
>
> >> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these
> dolphins
>
> >> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Regards,
>
> >>
>
> >> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>
> >>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much
>
> >> alive
>
> >>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>
> >>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>
> >>> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>
> >>>  I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>
> >>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
>
> >>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>
> >>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to
>
> >> the
>
> >>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have it,
> i
>
> >>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made
> the
>
> >>> drive.
>
> >>>  Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep
>
> >>> things operational right!!!???
>
> >>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
>
> >>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age
> out
>
> >>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
>
> >>> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a
>
> >>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
>
> >>> order for soft and small parts.
>
> >>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>
> >>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
>
> >> market
>
> >>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
>
> >> endeavor
>
> >>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s
>
> >> that
>
> >>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
>
> >>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>
> >>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if
> you
>
> >>> are still reading.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>
> >>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>
> >> rudderpost
>
> >>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and
>
> >>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and looks
>
> >> much
>
> >>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all
>
> >> that
>
> >>> WAS your idea!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>
> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>
> >>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
>
> >>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will
>
> >> pass
>
> >>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to
>
> >>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find
> she
>
> >>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this
> option.
>
> >>>> Remember that time flies.
>
> >>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>
> >> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>
> >>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going
>
> >> on
>
> >>> here?
>
> >>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but
> not
>
> >>>> understanding
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
>
> >>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
>
> >>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
>
> >>> Nabble.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>
> >>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
>
> >>> probably
>
> >>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which
> is
>
> >>> more
>
> >>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list
>
> >> for
>
> >>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
>
> >>> bumped
>
> >>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>
> >>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because
>
> >> of
>
> >>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
>
> >>> parts
>
> >>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
>
> >>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I
>
> >>> stop
>
> >>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime
> in
>
> >>> my
>
> >>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
>
> >>> program.
>
> >>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
>
> >> but I
>
> >>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and
> defend
>
> >>> Stan.
>
> >>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before
> he
>
> >>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making
> him
>
> >>> this
>
> >>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
>
> >>> drive
>
> >>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
>
> >>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in
> his
>
> >>> Will
>
> >>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
>
> >> made
>
> >>>>> him that offer.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
> supportive
>
> >>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
>
> >> how
>
> >>> a
>
> >>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
>
> >>> supposed
>
> >>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a
>
> >> brand? b
>
> >>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members
> who've
>
> >>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
>
> >>> Stan's
>
> >>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
>
> >>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
> certainly
>
> >>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
>
> >>> not a
>
> >>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
>
> >>> Chris
>
> >>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
>
> >>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our
>
> >>> fleet.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>  Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>
> >>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>>>> Stan;
>
> >>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
>
> >>> this,
>
> >>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
>
> >>> helps
>
> >>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
>
> >>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
>
> >> while
>
> >>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an
>
> >>> expiration
>
> >>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could
>
> >> you
>
> >>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
>
> >> plan
>
> >>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
>
> >> such.
>
> >>> He
>
> >>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish
>
> >>> both
>
> >>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>> Charles
>
> >>>>> 98 R 22
>
> >>>>> s/v DayDreams
>
> >>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board
> of
>
> >>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>
> >> Chris
>
> >>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>
> >> feel
>
> >>> we
>
> >>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before
> a
>
> >>>>> declaration of war:
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>
> >>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>
> >> seriously
>
> >>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>
> >>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
>
> >> here
>
> >>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
>
> >>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>
> >>>>>> stan
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 03:18:06 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 09:18:06 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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Michael thank you for your wise council. Also I have forgotten about the
hosting cost. How can I send along a contribution?  Uh I am not a Nigerians
prince.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 09:02, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> .....
> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing and
> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I did
> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and accomplished
> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the San
> Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat and he
> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money for those
> (grin).
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are the
>> real owner of the list!
>>
>>
>>
>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put
>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could lie
>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started looking around
>> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go out again
>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then started
>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more awesome)
>> than other boats.
>>
>> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he could ?fix
>> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>>
>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>>
>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>> eventually,
>>
>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Ha!
>>
>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant be a
>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i guess i
>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob (Palatka)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist
>> since
>>
>> > 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
>>
>> > partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
>>
>> > just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>>
>> > Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Mike Corley
>>
>> > S/V Ranger
>>
>> > Hampton Roads
>>
>> >
>>
>> > On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have
>> any
>>
>> >> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  ....
>> fro
>>
>> >> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with
>> this
>>
>> >> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
>>
>> >> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>>
>> >> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes
>> 22, or
>>
>> >> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies
>> under a
>>
>> >> least two of those points.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> ________________________________
>>
>> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Bob
>>
>> >> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>>
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>>
>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
>>
>> >> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
>>
>> >> show.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about
>> using a
>>
>> >> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and
>> marketed
>>
>> >> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat
>> Show in
>>
>> >> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>> against
>>
>> >> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base and
>>
>> >> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ?right
>> thing?
>>
>> >> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>> services.
>>
>> >> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
>>
>> >> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis
>> on the
>>
>> >> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we
>> were
>>
>> >> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us
>> while
>>
>> >> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
>>
>> >> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these
>> dolphins
>>
>> >> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Regards,
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>
>>
>> >>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>>
>> >>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much
>>
>> >> alive
>>
>> >>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>>
>> >>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>>
>> >>> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>>
>> >>>  I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>>
>> >>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
>>
>> >>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>>
>> >>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to
>>
>> >> the
>>
>> >>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have
>> it, i
>>
>> >>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made
>> the
>>
>> >>> drive.
>>
>> >>>  Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to
>> keep
>>
>> >>> things operational right!!!???
>>
>> >>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
>>
>> >>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age
>> out
>>
>> >>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
>>
>> >>> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a
>>
>> >>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
>>
>> >>> order for soft and small parts.
>>
>> >>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>>
>> >>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
>>
>> >> market
>>
>> >>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
>>
>> >> endeavor
>>
>> >>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s
>>
>> >> that
>>
>> >>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
>>
>> >>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>>
>> >>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if
>> you
>>
>> >>> are still reading.
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>>
>> >>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>>
>> >> rudderpost
>>
>> >>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline
>> and
>>
>> >>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and looks
>>
>> >> much
>>
>> >>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all
>>
>> >> that
>>
>> >>> WAS your idea!
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>> Bob (Palatka)
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>>
>> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>>
>> >>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
>>
>> >>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will
>>
>> >> pass
>>
>> >>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive
>> to
>>
>> >>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find
>> she
>>
>> >>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this
>> option.
>>
>> >>>> Remember that time flies.
>>
>> >>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>>
>> >> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>>
>> >>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What
>> going
>>
>> >> on
>>
>> >>> here?
>>
>> >>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but
>> not
>>
>> >>>> understanding
>>
>> >>>>
>>
>> >>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
>>
>> >>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain
>> text
>>
>> >>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
>>
>> >>> Nabble.
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>>
>> >>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
>>
>> >>> probably
>>
>> >>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which
>> is
>>
>> >>> more
>>
>> >>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list
>>
>> >> for
>>
>> >>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
>>
>> >>> bumped
>>
>> >>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>>
>> >>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off
>> because
>>
>> >> of
>>
>> >>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
>>
>> >>> parts
>>
>> >>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
>>
>> >>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should
>> I
>>
>> >>> stop
>>
>> >>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime
>> in
>>
>> >>> my
>>
>> >>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
>>
>> >>> program.
>>
>> >>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
>>
>> >> but I
>>
>> >>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and
>> defend
>>
>> >>> Stan.
>>
>> >>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before
>> he
>>
>> >>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making
>> him
>>
>> >>> this
>>
>> >>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
>>
>> >>> drive
>>
>> >>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
>>
>> >>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in
>> his
>>
>> >>> Will
>>
>> >>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
>>
>> >> made
>>
>> >>>>> him that offer.
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>> supportive
>>
>> >>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
>>
>> >> how
>>
>> >>> a
>>
>> >>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
>>
>> >>> supposed
>>
>> >>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a
>>
>> >> brand? b
>>
>> >>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members
>> who've
>>
>> >>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
>>
>> >>> Stan's
>>
>> >>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
>>
>> >>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
>> certainly
>>
>> >>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
>>
>> >>> not a
>>
>> >>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
>>
>> >>> Chris
>>
>> >>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking
>> for
>>
>> >>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of
>> our
>>
>> >>> fleet.
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>  Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>>
>> >>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>
>> >>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>>
>> >>>>> Stan;
>>
>> >>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
>>
>> >>> this,
>>
>> >>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
>>
>> >>> helps
>>
>> >>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
>>
>> >>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
>>
>> >> while
>>
>> >>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an
>>
>> >>> expiration
>>
>> >>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could
>>
>> >> you
>>
>> >>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
>>
>> >> plan
>>
>> >>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
>>
>> >> such.
>>
>> >>> He
>>
>> >>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I
>> wish
>>
>> >>> both
>>
>> >>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>> Charles
>>
>> >>>>> 98 R 22
>>
>> >>>>> s/v DayDreams
>>
>> >>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board
>> of
>>
>> >>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>>
>> >> Chris
>>
>> >>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>>
>> >> feel
>>
>> >>> we
>>
>> >>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
>> before a
>>
>> >>>>> declaration of war:
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>>
>> >>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>>
>> >> seriously
>>
>> >>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>>
>> >>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
>>
>> >> here
>>
>> >>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
>>
>> >>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>>
>> >>>>>> stan
>>
>> >>>>>>
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>> >>>
>>
>> >>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Fri Jun  7 09:15:34 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 09:15:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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Thanks Chris!
Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on fathers day.
I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one thing every day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is intrigued for sure.
He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His younger brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
Exciting times!

Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!

Bob (Palatka)

> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> .....
> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing and
> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I did
> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and accomplished
> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the San
> Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat and he
> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money for those
> (grin).
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
> 
>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are the
>> real owner of the list!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put
>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could lie
>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started looking around
>> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go out again
>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then started
>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more awesome)
>> than other boats.
>> 
>> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he could ?fix
>> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>> 
>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>> 
>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>> eventually,
>> 
>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>> 
>> ???
>> 
>> Ha!
>> 
>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant be a
>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i guess i
>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bob (Palatka)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist
>> since
>> 
>>> 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
>> 
>>> partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
>> 
>>> just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>> 
>>> Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Mike Corley
>> 
>>> S/V Ranger
>> 
>>> Hampton Roads
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> 
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>>> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have
>> any
>> 
>>>> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  ....
>> fro
>> 
>>>> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with this
>> 
>>>> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
>> 
>>>> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>> 
>>>> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes
>> 22, or
>> 
>>>> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies under
>> a
>> 
>>>> least two of those points.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>> 
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Bob
>> 
>>>> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>> 
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>> 
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
>> 
>>>> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
>> 
>>>> show.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about
>> using a
>> 
>>>> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and
>> marketed
>> 
>>>> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat
>> Show in
>> 
>>>> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>> against
>> 
>>>> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base and
>> 
>>>> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ?right
>> thing?
>> 
>>>> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>> services.
>> 
>>>> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
>> 
>>>> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis on
>> the
>> 
>>>> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we were
>> 
>>>> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us
>> while
>> 
>>>> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
>> 
>>>> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these
>> dolphins
>> 
>>>> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Regards,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>> 
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>> 
>>>>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much
>> 
>>>> alive
>> 
>>>>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>> 
>>>>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>> 
>>>>> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>> 
>>>>> I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>> 
>>>>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
>> 
>>>>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>> 
>>>>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to
>> 
>>>> the
>> 
>>>>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have it,
>> i
>> 
>>>>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made
>> the
>> 
>>>>> drive.
>> 
>>>>> Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep
>> 
>>>>> things operational right!!!???
>> 
>>>>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
>> 
>>>>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age
>> out
>> 
>>>>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
>> 
>>>>> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a
>> 
>>>>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
>> 
>>>>> order for soft and small parts.
>> 
>>>>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>> 
>>>>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
>> 
>>>> market
>> 
>>>>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
>> 
>>>> endeavor
>> 
>>>>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s
>> 
>>>> that
>> 
>>>>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
>> 
>>>>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>> 
>>>>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if
>> you
>> 
>>>>> are still reading.
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>> 
>>>>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>> 
>>>> rudderpost
>> 
>>>>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and
>> 
>>>>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and looks
>> 
>>>> much
>> 
>>>>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all
>> 
>>>> that
>> 
>>>>> WAS your idea!
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>> 
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>> 
>>>>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
>> 
>>>>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will
>> 
>>>> pass
>> 
>>>>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to
>> 
>>>>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find
>> she
>> 
>>>>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this
>> option.
>> 
>>>>>> Remember that time flies.
>> 
>>>>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>> 
>>>> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>> 
>>>>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going
>> 
>>>> on
>> 
>>>>> here?
>> 
>>>>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but
>> not
>> 
>>>>>> understanding
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>> 
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
>> 
>>>>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
>> 
>>>>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
>> 
>>>>> Nabble.
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>> 
>>>>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
>> 
>>>>> probably
>> 
>>>>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which
>> is
>> 
>>>>> more
>> 
>>>>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list
>> 
>>>> for
>> 
>>>>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
>> 
>>>>> bumped
>> 
>>>>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>> 
>>>>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because
>> 
>>>> of
>> 
>>>>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
>> 
>>>>> parts
>> 
>>>>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
>> 
>>>>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I
>> 
>>>>> stop
>> 
>>>>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime
>> in
>> 
>>>>> my
>> 
>>>>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
>> 
>>>>> program.
>> 
>>>>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
>> 
>>>> but I
>> 
>>>>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and
>> defend
>> 
>>>>> Stan.
>> 
>>>>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before
>> he
>> 
>>>>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making
>> him
>> 
>>>>> this
>> 
>>>>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
>> 
>>>>> drive
>> 
>>>>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
>> 
>>>>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in
>> his
>> 
>>>>> Will
>> 
>>>>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
>> 
>>>> made
>> 
>>>>>>> him that offer.
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>> supportive
>> 
>>>>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
>> 
>>>> how
>> 
>>>>> a
>> 
>>>>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
>> 
>>>>> supposed
>> 
>>>>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a
>> 
>>>> brand? b
>> 
>>>>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members
>> who've
>> 
>>>>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
>> 
>>>>> Stan's
>> 
>>>>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
>> 
>>>>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
>> certainly
>> 
>>>>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
>> 
>>>>> not a
>> 
>>>>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
>> 
>>>>> Chris
>> 
>>>>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
>> 
>>>>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our
>> 
>>>>> fleet.
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>> 
>>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> 
>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>> 
>>>>>>> Stan;
>> 
>>>>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
>> 
>>>>> this,
>> 
>>>>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
>> 
>>>>> helps
>> 
>>>>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
>> 
>>>>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
>> 
>>>> while
>> 
>>>>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an
>> 
>>>>> expiration
>> 
>>>>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but could
>> 
>>>> you
>> 
>>>>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
>> 
>>>> plan
>> 
>>>>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
>> 
>>>> such.
>> 
>>>>> He
>> 
>>>>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish
>> 
>>>>> both
>> 
>>>>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Charles
>> 
>>>>>>> 98 R 22
>> 
>>>>>>> s/v DayDreams
>> 
>>>>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board
>> of
>> 
>>>>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>> 
>>>> Chris
>> 
>>>>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>> 
>>>> feel
>> 
>>>>> we
>> 
>>>>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before
>> a
>> 
>>>>>>> declaration of war:
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>> 
>>>>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>> 
>>>> seriously
>> 
>>>>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>> 
>>>>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
>> 
>>>> here
>> 
>>>>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
>> 
>>>>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>> 
>>>>>>>> stan
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jun  7 10:51:54 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 16:51:54 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.

Chris G
ENOSIS

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Chris!
>
> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on fathers day.
>
> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one thing every
> day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those days are
> needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up a tube of
> butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is intrigued for sure.
>
> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His younger
> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>
> Exciting times!
>
>
>
> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>
>
>
> Bob (Palatka)
>
>
>
> > On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > .....
>
> > Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing and
>
> > the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I did
>
> > the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and accomplished
>
> > Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the San
>
> > Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat and he
>
> > will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money for those
>
> > (grin).
>
> >
>
> > Chris Geankoplis
>
> > ENOSIS
>
> >
>
> >> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are
> the
>
> >> real owner of the list!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put
>
> >> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could
> lie
>
> >> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started looking
> around
>
> >> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go out again
>
> >> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then
> started
>
> >> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more
> awesome)
>
> >> than other boats.
>
> >>
>
> >> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he could ?fix
>
> >> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>
> >>
>
> >> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>
> >>
>
> >> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>
> >> eventually,
>
> >>
>
> >> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>
> >>
>
> >> ???
>
> >>
>
> >> Ha!
>
> >>
>
> >> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant be a
>
> >> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i
> guess i
>
> >> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>
> >>
>
> >> ?
>
> >>
>
> >> Rhodes 22 forever!
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>> On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist
>
> >> since
>
> >>
>
> >>> 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
>
> >>
>
> >>> partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
>
> >>
>
> >>> just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>
> >>
>
> >>> Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> Mike Corley
>
> >>
>
> >>> S/V Ranger
>
> >>
>
> >>> Hampton Roads
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>
> >> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have
>
> >> any
>
> >>
>
> >>>> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  ....
>
> >> fro
>
> >>
>
> >>>> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with
> this
>
> >>
>
> >>>> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
>
> >>
>
> >>>> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>
> >>
>
> >>>> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes
>
> >> 22, or
>
> >>
>
> >>>> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies
> under
>
> >> a
>
> >>
>
> >>>> least two of those points.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> ________________________________
>
> >>
>
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>
> >> Bob
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>
> >>
>
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at
> the
>
> >>
>
> >>>> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
>
> >>
>
> >>>> show.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about
>
> >> using a
>
> >>
>
> >>>> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and
>
> >> marketed
>
> >>
>
> >>>> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat
>
> >> Show in
>
> >>
>
> >>>> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>
> >> against
>
> >>
>
> >>>> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base and
>
> >>
>
> >>>> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ?right
>
> >> thing?
>
> >>
>
> >>>> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>
> >> services.
>
> >>
>
> >>>> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
>
> >>
>
> >>>> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis
> on
>
> >> the
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we
> were
>
> >>
>
> >>>> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us
>
> >> while
>
> >>
>
> >>>> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these
>
> >> dolphins
>
> >>
>
> >>>> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Regards,
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much
>
> >>
>
> >>>> alive
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him
> money
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving
> to
>
> >>
>
> >>>> the
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have
> it,
>
> >> i
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made
>
> >> the
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> drive.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to
> keep
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> things operational right!!!???
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word
> (despite
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age
>
> >> out
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship
> an
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> order for soft and small parts.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
>
> >>
>
> >>>> market
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
>
> >>
>
> >>>> endeavor
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s
>
> >>
>
> >>>> that
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if
>
> >> you
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> are still reading.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>
> >>
>
> >>>> rudderpost
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline
> and
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and
> looks
>
> >>
>
> >>>> much
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all
>
> >>
>
> >>>> that
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> WAS your idea!
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will
>
> >>
>
> >>>> pass
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive
> to
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find
>
> >> she
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this
>
> >> option.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Remember that time flies.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>
> >>
>
> >>>> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What
> going
>
> >>
>
> >>>> on
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> here?
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but
>
> >> not
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>> understanding
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins
> keep
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain
> text
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Nabble.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> probably
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which
>
> >> is
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> more
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this
> list
>
> >>
>
> >>>> for
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on
> I
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> bumped
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off
> because
>
> >>
>
> >>>> of
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> parts
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the
> parts
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why
> should I
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> stop
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime
>
> >> in
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> my
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> program.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
>
> >>
>
> >>>> but I
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and
>
> >> defend
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Stan.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before
>
> >> he
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making
>
> >> him
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> this
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I
> could
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> drive
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the
> business
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in
>
> >> his
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Will
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
>
> >>
>
> >>>> made
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> him that offer.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>
> >> supportive
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
>
> >>
>
> >>>> how
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> supposed
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a
>
> >>
>
> >>>> brand? b
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members
>
> >> who've
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Stan's
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and
> we've
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
>
> >> certainly
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is
> certainly
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> not a
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> Chris
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking
> for
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of
> our
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> fleet.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Stan;
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> this,
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it
> actually
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> helps
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided
> any
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
>
> >>
>
> >>>> while
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> expiration
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but
> could
>
> >>
>
> >>>> you
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
>
> >>
>
> >>>> plan
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
>
> >>
>
> >>>> such.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> He
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I
> wish
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> both
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Charles
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> 98 R 22
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> s/v DayDreams
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board
>
> >> of
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>
> >>
>
> >>>> Chris
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>
> >>
>
> >>>> feel
>
> >>
>
> >>>>> we
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
> before
>
> >> a
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> declaration of war:
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>
> >>
>
> >>>> seriously
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
>
> >>
>
> >>>> here
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will
> be
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>> stan
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
>

From jsail1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun  7 11:30:59 2019
From: jsail1 at verizon.net (JAY FRIEDLAND)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 11:30:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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My son, Justin, started sailing at 7 on an Optimist in active sail racing, now 33, and took the helm of our R22 standing on the seat. At 10 & beyond, I brought him to a few of  the Atlantic City Boat Shows when I was working Stan?s booth. He, with great enthusiasm, did demos & worked with us pulling the IMF out and furling it in, convincing many on-lookers to consider it even more. He became a fine-tuned sailor on a championship high school sailing team competing nationally in Charleston, SC, and Lake Pontchartrain, LA. 

Now he?s a half-partner with me, originally earning more sailing time proportional to the percent of prep work & maintenance he did each year on our first R22 (Just, You & Me), now our 2nd. Wanderlust, a ?97 vintage gets a very demanding workout, often 800-1,100 nm clocked each year, and in some of the strongest & steadiest winds, on the east coast, even in freezing rain, surfing down large rollers as he posted on our final trip last year. I get afternoon sailing time, during the week, he gets evenings, sunsets and beyond. It is hard to sail together when you have 2 captains, but we always work it out and learning from each other. His sail racing experience has Justin seeing/feeling and adjusting for the next 3 coming wind shifts, which I still can?t fathom.

In any case, a kid and a sailboat is magic wherever it leads.

Chris G., one of my regrets looking back, is the opportunity you offered me to help your son?s boat prepped in Greece. If only... ?There is nothing- absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats?, unless, of course, you can get your kid involved at any age. Father?s Day is a great time to enjoy it.

Jay Friedland
S/v Wanderlust ?97



> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.
> 
> Chris G
> ENOSIS
> 
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Chris!
>> 
>> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on fathers day.
>> 
>> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one thing every
>> day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those days are
>> needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up a tube of
>> butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is intrigued for sure.
>> 
>> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His younger
>> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>> 
>> Exciting times!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bob (Palatka)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> .....
>> 
>>> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing and
>> 
>>> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I did
>> 
>>> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and accomplished
>> 
>>> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the San
>> 
>>> Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat and he
>> 
>>> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money for those
>> 
>>> (grin).
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>> 
>>> ENOSIS
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are
>> the
>> 
>>>> real owner of the list!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put
>> 
>>>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could
>> lie
>> 
>>>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started looking
>> around
>> 
>>>> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go out again
>> 
>>>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then
>> started
>> 
>>>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more
>> awesome)
>> 
>>>> than other boats.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he could ?fix
>> 
>>>> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>> 
>>>> eventually,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> ???
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Ha!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant be a
>> 
>>>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i
>> guess i
>> 
>>>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> ?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> 
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist
>> 
>>>> since
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> Mike Corley
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> S/V Ranger
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> Hampton Roads
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>> 
>>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have
>> 
>>>> any
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  ....
>> 
>>>> fro
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with
>> this
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes
>> 
>>>> 22, or
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies
>> under
>> 
>>>> a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> least two of those points.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> 
>>>> Bob
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at
>> the
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> show.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about
>> 
>>>> using a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and
>> 
>>>> marketed
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat
>> 
>>>> Show in
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>> 
>>>> against
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base and
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ?right
>> 
>>>> thing?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>> 
>>>> services.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis
>> on
>> 
>>>> the
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we
>> were
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us
>> 
>>>> while
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these
>> 
>>>> dolphins
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very much
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> alive
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him
>> money
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving
>> to
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would have
>> it,
>> 
>>>> i
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made
>> 
>>>> the
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> drive.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to
>> keep
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> things operational right!!!???
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word
>> (despite
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age
>> 
>>>> out
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea especially
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship
>> an
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> order for soft and small parts.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> market
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> endeavor
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22?s
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> that
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if
>> 
>>>> you
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> are still reading.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> rudderpost
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline
>> and
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and
>> looks
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> much
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  After all
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> that
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> WAS your idea!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business will
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> pass
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive
>> to
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may find
>> 
>>>> she
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this
>> 
>>>> option.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> Remember that time flies.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What
>> going
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> on
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> here?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but
>> 
>>>> not
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> understanding
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins
>> keep
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain
>> text
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Nabble.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> probably
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which
>> 
>>>> is
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> more
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this
>> list
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> for
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on
>> I
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> bumped
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off
>> because
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> of
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> parts
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the
>> parts
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why
>> should I
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> stop
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime
>> 
>>>> in
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> my
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> program.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> but I
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and
>> 
>>>> defend
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Stan.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before
>> 
>>>> he
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making
>> 
>>>> him
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> this
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I
>> could
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> drive
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the
>> business
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in
>> 
>>>> his
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Will
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> made
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> him that offer.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>> 
>>>> supportive
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> how
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> supposed
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> brand? b
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members
>> 
>>>> who've
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Stan's
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and
>> we've
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
>> 
>>>> certainly
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is
>> certainly
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> not a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Chris
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking
>> for
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of
>> our
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> fleet.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Stan;
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> this,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it
>> actually
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> helps
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided
>> any
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> while
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have an
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> expiration
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but
>> could
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> you
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> plan
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> such.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> He
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I
>> wish
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> both
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Charles
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 98 R 22
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> s/v DayDreams
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board
>> 
>>>> of
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Chris
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> feel
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> we
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
>> before
>> 
>>>> a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> declaration of war:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> seriously
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> here
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will
>> be
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> stan
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 


From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Fri Jun  7 11:39:08 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 15:39:08 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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Jay:
My dad taught me to sail on a Rhodes 19 on the Long Island Sound at an age when the little red life jacket seemed bigger than me.  We would sail across the sound and overnight in Connecticut.  Lot's of great memories and a wonderful introduction to the life of a sailor.  It's great that you have passed on the tradition to Justin.

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

700 N Fairfax Street
Suite 304
Alexandria, Virginia 22314
703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 11:31 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

My son, Justin, started sailing at 7 on an Optimist in active sail racing, now 33, and took the helm of our R22 standing on the seat. At 10 & beyond, I brought him to a few of  the Atlantic City Boat Shows when I was working Stan?s booth. He, with great enthusiasm, did demos & worked with us pulling the IMF out and furling it in, convincing many on-lookers to consider it even more. He became a fine-tuned sailor on a championship high school sailing team competing nationally in Charleston, SC, and Lake Pontchartrain, LA. 

Now he?s a half-partner with me, originally earning more sailing time proportional to the percent of prep work & maintenance he did each year on our first R22 (Just, You & Me), now our 2nd. Wanderlust, a ?97 vintage gets a very demanding workout, often 800-1,100 nm clocked each year, and in some of the strongest & steadiest winds, on the east coast, even in freezing rain, surfing down large rollers as he posted on our final trip last year. I get afternoon sailing time, during the week, he gets evenings, sunsets and beyond. It is hard to sail together when you have 2 captains, but we always work it out and learning from each other. His sail racing experience has Justin seeing/feeling and adjusting for the next 3 coming wind shifts, which I still can?t fathom.

In any case, a kid and a sailboat is magic wherever it leads.

Chris G., one of my regrets looking back, is the opportunity you offered me to help your son?s boat prepped in Greece. If only... ?There is nothing- absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats?, unless, of course, you can get your kid involved at any age. Father?s Day is a great time to enjoy it.

Jay Friedland
S/v Wanderlust ?97



> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.
> 
> Chris G
> ENOSIS
> 
> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks Chris!
>> 
>> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on fathers day.
>> 
>> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one thing 
>> every day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those 
>> days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up 
>> a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is intrigued for sure.
>> 
>> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His younger 
>> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>> 
>> Exciting times!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Bob (Palatka)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis 
>>> <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> .....
>> 
>>> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing 
>>> and
>> 
>>> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I 
>>> did
>> 
>>> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and 
>>> accomplished
>> 
>>> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the 
>>> San
>> 
>>> Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat 
>>> and he
>> 
>>> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money for 
>>> those
>> 
>>> (grin).
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>> 
>>> ENOSIS
>> 
>>> 
>> 
>>>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They 
>>>> are
>> the
>> 
>>>> real owner of the list!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, 
>>>> put
>> 
>>>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he 
>>>> could
>> lie
>> 
>>>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started looking
>> around
>> 
>>>> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go out 
>>>> again
>> 
>>>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then
>> started
>> 
>>>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more
>> awesome)
>> 
>>>> than other boats.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he could 
>>>> ?fix
>> 
>>>> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>> 
>>>> eventually,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> ???
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Ha!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant be 
>>>> a
>> 
>>>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i
>> guess i
>> 
>>>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> ?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley 
>>>>> <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> 
>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan 
>>>>> loyalist
>> 
>>>> since
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an 
>>>>> active
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his 
>>>>> company are
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> Mike Corley
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> S/V Ranger
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> Hampton Roads
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>> 
>>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not 
>>>>>> have
>> 
>>>> any
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  ....
>> 
>>>> fro
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved 
>>>>>> with
>> this
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally 
>>>>>> will he
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings 
>>>>>> here
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a 
>>>>>> Rhodes
>> 
>>>> 22, or
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies
>> under
>> 
>>>> a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> least two of those points.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on 
>>>>>> behalf of
>> 
>>>> Bob
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel 
>>>>>> at
>> the
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the 
>>>>>> same
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> show.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned 
>>>>>> about
>> 
>>>> using a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years 
>>>>>> and
>> 
>>>> marketed
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis 
>>>>>> Sailboat
>> 
>>>> Show in
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>> 
>>>> against
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base 
>>>>>> and
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the 
>>>>>> ?right
>> 
>>>> thing?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>> 
>>>> services.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the 
>>>>>> last 15
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from 
>>>>>> Annapolis
>> on
>> 
>>>> the
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and 
>>>>>> we
>> were
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around 
>>>>>> us
>> 
>>>> while
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty 
>>>>>> of the
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of 
>>>>>> these
>> 
>>>> dolphins
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness 
>>>>>> <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very 
>>>>>>> much
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> alive
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him
>> money
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without 
>>>>>>> driving
>> to
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> the
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would 
>>>>>>> have
>> it,
>> 
>>>> i
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i 
>>>>>>> made
>> 
>>>> the
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> drive.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts 
>>>>>>> to
>> keep
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> things operational right!!!???
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word
>> (despite
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats 
>>>>>>> age
>> 
>>>> out
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea 
>>>>>>> especially
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was 
>>>>>>> a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and 
>>>>>>> ship
>> an
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> order for soft and small parts.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the 
>>>>>>> same
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> market
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in 
>>>>>>> this
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> endeavor
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned 
>>>>>>> R22?s
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> that
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the 
>>>>>>> recycling
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to 
>>>>>>> Stan....if
>> 
>>>> you
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> are still reading.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> rudderpost
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the 
>>>>>>> midline
>> and
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and
>> looks
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> much
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  
>>>>>>> After all
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> that
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> WAS your idea!
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any 
>>>>>>>> circumstances,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business 
>>>>>>> will
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> pass
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to 
>>>>>>> drive
>> to
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may 
>>>>>>> find
>> 
>>>> she
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating 
>>>>>>> this
>> 
>>>> option.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> Remember that time flies.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What
>> going
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> on
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> here?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following 
>>>>>>>> but
>> 
>>>> not
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> understanding
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares 
>>>>>>>>> <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new 
>>>>>>>>> admins
>> keep
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as 
>>>>>>>>> plain
>> text
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't 
>>>>>>>>> stand
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Nabble.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email 
>>>>>>>>> will
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> probably
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; 
>>>>>>>>> which
>> 
>>>> is
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> more
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started 
>>>>>>>>> this
>> list
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> for
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. 
>>>>>>>>> Early on
>> I
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> bumped
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off
>> because
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> of
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my 
>>>>>>>>> calls and
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> parts
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the
>> parts
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why
>> should I
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> stop
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one 
>>>>>>>>> dime
>> 
>>>> in
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> my
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of 
>>>>>>>>> Support
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> program.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization 
>>>>>>>>> before,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> but I
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up 
>>>>>>>>> and
>> 
>>>> defend
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Stan.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally 
>>>>>>>>> retire...before
>> 
>>>> he
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about 
>>>>>>>>> making
>> 
>>>> him
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> this
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I
>> could
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> drive
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the
>> business
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and 
>>>>>>>>> property in
>> 
>>>> his
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Will
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had 
>>>>>>>>> already
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> made
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> him that offer.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>> 
>>>> supportive
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to 
>>>>>>>>> understand
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> how
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, 
>>>>>>>>> is
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> supposed
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate 
>>>>>>>>> a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> brand? b
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list 
>>>>>>>>> members
>> 
>>>> who've
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying 
>>>>>>>>> this is
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Stan's
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and
>> we've
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
>> 
>>>> certainly
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is
>> certainly
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> not a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make 
>>>>>>>>> enemy of
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> Chris
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or 
>>>>>>>>> looking
>> for
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral 
>>>>>>>>> of
>> our
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> fleet.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Stan;
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation 
>>>>>>>>> such as
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> this,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it
>> actually
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> helps
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not 
>>>>>>>>> provided
>> any
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. 
>>>>>>>>> And
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> while
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have 
>>>>>>>>> an
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> expiration
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but
>> could
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> you
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be 
>>>>>>>>> some
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> plan
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to 
>>>>>>>>> provide
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> such.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> He
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. 
>>>>>>>>> I
>> wish
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> both
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Charles
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 98 R 22
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> s/v DayDreams
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our 
>>>>>>>>>> board
>> 
>>>> of
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper 
>>>>>>>>> response to
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> Chris
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two 
>>>>>>>>> emails, we
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> feel
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> we
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
>> before
>> 
>>>> a
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> declaration of war:
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for 
>>>>>>>>>> sale
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> seriously
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have 
>>>>>>>>> several
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is 
>>>>>>>>>> happening
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> here
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List 
>>>>>>>>> will
>> be
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> stan
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 


From jsail1 at verizon.net  Fri Jun  7 12:44:28 2019
From: jsail1 at verizon.net (JAY FRIEDLAND)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 12:44:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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Cane across this from some 27 years ago. Justin?s still as hopped up to sail?.




> On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
> 
> Jay:
> My dad taught me to sail on a Rhodes 19 on the Long Island Sound at an age when the little red life jacket seemed bigger than me.  We would sail across the sound and overnight in Connecticut.  Lot's of great memories and a wonderful introduction to the life of a sailor.  It's great that you have passed on the tradition to Justin.
> 
> Christopher P. Cowie    
> 
> 700 N Fairfax Street
> Suite 304
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> 
> 
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 11:31 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
> 
> My son, Justin, started sailing at 7 on an Optimist in active sail racing, now 33, and took the helm of our R22 standing on the seat. At 10 & beyond, I brought him to a few of  the Atlantic City Boat Shows when I was working Stan?s booth. He, with great enthusiasm, did demos & worked with us pulling the IMF out and furling it in, convincing many on-lookers to consider it even more. He became a fine-tuned sailor on a championship high school sailing team competing nationally in Charleston, SC, and Lake Pontchartrain, LA. 
> 
> Now he?s a half-partner with me, originally earning more sailing time proportional to the percent of prep work & maintenance he did each year on our first R22 (Just, You & Me), now our 2nd. Wanderlust, a ?97 vintage gets a very demanding workout, often 800-1,100 nm clocked each year, and in some of the strongest & steadiest winds, on the east coast, even in freezing rain, surfing down large rollers as he posted on our final trip last year. I get afternoon sailing time, during the week, he gets evenings, sunsets and beyond. It is hard to sail together when you have 2 captains, but we always work it out and learning from each other. His sail racing experience has Justin seeing/feeling and adjusting for the next 3 coming wind shifts, which I still can?t fathom.
> 
> In any case, a kid and a sailboat is magic wherever it leads.
> 
> Chris G., one of my regrets looking back, is the opportunity you offered me to help your son?s boat prepped in Greece. If only... ?There is nothing- absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats?, unless, of course, you can get your kid involved at any age. Father?s Day is a great time to enjoy it.
> 
> Jay Friedland
> S/v Wanderlust ?97
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.
>> 
>> Chris G
>> ENOSIS
>> 
>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Chris!
>>> 
>>> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on fathers day.
>>> 
>>> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one thing 
>>> every day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those 
>>> days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up 
>>> a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is intrigued for sure.
>>> 
>>> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His younger 
>>> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>>> 
>>> Exciting times!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bob (Palatka)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis 
>>>> <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> .....
>>> 
>>>> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing 
>>>> and
>>> 
>>>> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I 
>>>> did
>>> 
>>>> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and 
>>>> accomplished
>>> 
>>>> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the 
>>>> San
>>> 
>>>> Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat 
>>>> and he
>>> 
>>>> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money for 
>>>> those
>>> 
>>>> (grin).
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> 
>>>> ENOSIS
>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They 
>>>>> are
>>> the
>>> 
>>>>> real owner of the list!
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, 
>>>>> put
>>> 
>>>>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he 
>>>>> could
>>> lie
>>> 
>>>>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started looking
>>> around
>>> 
>>>>> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go out 
>>>>> again
>>> 
>>>>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then
>>> started
>>> 
>>>>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more
>>> awesome)
>>> 
>>>>> than other boats.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he could 
>>>>> ?fix
>>> 
>>>>> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>>> 
>>>>> eventually,
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> ???
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Ha!
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant be 
>>>>> a
>>> 
>>>>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i
>>> guess i
>>> 
>>>>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley 
>>>>>> <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan 
>>>>>> loyalist
>>> 
>>>>> since
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an 
>>>>>> active
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his 
>>>>>> company are
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Mike Corley
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> S/V Ranger
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> Hampton Roads
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>>> 
>>>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not 
>>>>>>> have
>>> 
>>>>> any
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats  ....
>>> 
>>>>> fro
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved 
>>>>>>> with
>>> this
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally 
>>>>>>> will he
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings 
>>>>>>> here
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a 
>>>>>>> Rhodes
>>> 
>>>>> 22, or
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies
>>> under
>>> 
>>>>> a
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> least two of those points.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> ________________________________
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on 
>>>>>>> behalf of
>>> 
>>>>> Bob
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel 
>>>>>>> at
>>> the
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the 
>>>>>>> same
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> show.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned 
>>>>>>> about
>>> 
>>>>> using a
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years 
>>>>>>> and
>>> 
>>>>> marketed
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis 
>>>>>>> Sailboat
>>> 
>>>>> Show in
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>>> 
>>>>> against
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base 
>>>>>>> and
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the 
>>>>>>> ?right
>>> 
>>>>> thing?
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>>> 
>>>>> services.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the 
>>>>>>> last 15
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from 
>>>>>>> Annapolis
>>> on
>>> 
>>>>> the
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and 
>>>>>>> we
>>> were
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around 
>>>>>>> us
>>> 
>>>>> while
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty 
>>>>>>> of the
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of 
>>>>>>> these
>>> 
>>>>> dolphins
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness 
>>>>>>> <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very 
>>>>>>>> much
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> alive
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him
>>> money
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without 
>>>>>>>> driving
>>> to
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> the
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would 
>>>>>>>> have
>>> it,
>>> 
>>>>> i
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i 
>>>>>>>> made
>>> 
>>>>> the
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> drive.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts 
>>>>>>>> to
>>> keep
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> things operational right!!!???
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word
>>> (despite
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats 
>>>>>>>> age
>>> 
>>>>> out
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea 
>>>>>>>> especially
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was 
>>>>>>>> a
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and 
>>>>>>>> ship
>>> an
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> order for soft and small parts.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the 
>>>>>>>> same
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> market
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in 
>>>>>>>> this
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> endeavor
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned 
>>>>>>>> R22?s
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> that
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the 
>>>>>>>> recycling
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to 
>>>>>>>> Stan....if
>>> 
>>>>> you
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> are still reading.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> rudderpost
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the 
>>>>>>>> midline
>>> and
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and
>>> looks
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> much
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!  
>>>>>>>> After all
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> that
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> WAS your idea!
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any 
>>>>>>>>> circumstances,
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business 
>>>>>>>> will
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> pass
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to 
>>>>>>>> drive
>>> to
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may 
>>>>>>>> find
>>> 
>>>>> she
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating 
>>>>>>>> this
>>> 
>>>>> option.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Remember that time flies.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What
>>> going
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> on
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> here?
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following 
>>>>>>>>> but
>>> 
>>>>> not
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> understanding
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares 
>>>>>>>>>> <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new 
>>>>>>>>>> admins
>>> keep
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as 
>>>>>>>>>> plain
>>> text
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't 
>>>>>>>>>> stand
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Nabble.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email 
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> probably
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; 
>>>>>>>>>> which
>>> 
>>>>> is
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> more
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started 
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>> list
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> for
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. 
>>>>>>>>>> Early on
>>> I
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> bumped
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off
>>> because
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> of
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my 
>>>>>>>>>> calls and
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> parts
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the
>>> parts
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why
>>> should I
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> stop
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one 
>>>>>>>>>> dime
>>> 
>>>>> in
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> my
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of 
>>>>>>>>>> Support
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> program.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization 
>>>>>>>>>> before,
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> but I
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up 
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>> 
>>>>> defend
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Stan.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally 
>>>>>>>>>> retire...before
>>> 
>>>>> he
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about 
>>>>>>>>>> making
>>> 
>>>>> him
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> this
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I
>>> could
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> drive
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the
>>> business
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and 
>>>>>>>>>> property in
>>> 
>>>>> his
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Will
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had 
>>>>>>>>>> already
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> made
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> him that offer.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>>> 
>>>>> supportive
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to 
>>>>>>>>>> understand
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> how
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> a
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, 
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> supposed
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate 
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> brand? b
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list 
>>>>>>>>>> members
>>> 
>>>>> who've
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying 
>>>>>>>>>> this is
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Stan's
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and
>>> we've
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
>>> 
>>>>> certainly
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is
>>> certainly
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> not a
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make 
>>>>>>>>>> enemy of
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or 
>>>>>>>>>> looking
>>> for
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral 
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>> our
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> fleet.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Stan;
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation 
>>>>>>>>>> such as
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> this,
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it
>>> actually
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> helps
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not 
>>>>>>>>>> provided
>>> any
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. 
>>>>>>>>>> And
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> while
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have 
>>>>>>>>>> an
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> expiration
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but
>>> could
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> you
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be 
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> plan
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to 
>>>>>>>>>> provide
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> such.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> He
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. 
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>> wish
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> both
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Charles
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 98 R 22
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> s/v DayDreams
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our 
>>>>>>>>>>> board
>>> 
>>>>> of
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper 
>>>>>>>>>> response to
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two 
>>>>>>>>>> emails, we
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> feel
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> we
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
>>> before
>>> 
>>>>> a
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> declaration of war:
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for 
>>>>>>>>>>> sale
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> seriously
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have 
>>>>>>>>>> several
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is 
>>>>>>>>>>> happening
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> here
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List 
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>> be
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> stan
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jun  7 15:28:46 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 21:28:46 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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Hey Jay and everyone else who has passed a love of sailing to the next
generation, or 2, what greater joy?  And as Chris C described, it is a good
time to appreciate those who passed their love of the sea onto us. I know
there are a number of you who one day said ?I?m going to learn to sail. You
deserve recognition too. Anyone out there who wants to share?  On a side
note, ENOSIS gets trucked down the mountain and launched on Monday.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
Ischia Italy

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 18:44, JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Cane across this from some 27 years ago. Justin?s still as hopped up to
> sail?.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Jay:
>
> > My dad taught me to sail on a Rhodes 19 on the Long Island Sound at an
> age when the little red life jacket seemed bigger than me.  We would sail
> across the sound and overnight in Connecticut.  Lot's of great memories and
> a wonderful introduction to the life of a sailor.  It's great that you have
> passed on the tradition to Justin.
>
> >
>
> > Christopher P. Cowie
>
> >
>
> > 700 N Fairfax Street
>
> > Suite 304
>
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22314
>
> > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list
>
> > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 11:31 AM
>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >
>
> > My son, Justin, started sailing at 7 on an Optimist in active sail
> racing, now 33, and took the helm of our R22 standing on the seat. At 10 &
> beyond, I brought him to a few of  the Atlantic City Boat Shows when I was
> working Stan?s booth. He, with great enthusiasm, did demos & worked with us
> pulling the IMF out and furling it in, convincing many on-lookers to
> consider it even more. He became a fine-tuned sailor on a championship high
> school sailing team competing nationally in Charleston, SC, and Lake
> Pontchartrain, LA.
>
> >
>
> > Now he?s a half-partner with me, originally earning more sailing time
> proportional to the percent of prep work & maintenance he did each year on
> our first R22 (Just, You & Me), now our 2nd. Wanderlust, a ?97 vintage gets
> a very demanding workout, often 800-1,100 nm clocked each year, and in some
> of the strongest & steadiest winds, on the east coast, even in freezing
> rain, surfing down large rollers as he posted on our final trip last year.
> I get afternoon sailing time, during the week, he gets evenings, sunsets
> and beyond. It is hard to sail together when you have 2 captains, but we
> always work it out and learning from each other. His sail racing experience
> has Justin seeing/feeling and adjusting for the next 3 coming wind shifts,
> which I still can?t fathom.
>
> >
>
> > In any case, a kid and a sailboat is magic wherever it leads.
>
> >
>
> > Chris G., one of my regrets looking back, is the opportunity you offered
> me to help your son?s boat prepped in Greece. If only... ?There is nothing-
> absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in
> boats?, unless, of course, you can get your kid involved at any age.
> Father?s Day is a great time to enjoy it.
>
> >
>
> > Jay Friedland
>
> > S/v Wanderlust ?97
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.
>
> >>
>
> >> Chris G
>
> >> ENOSIS
>
> >>
>
> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Thanks Chris!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on fathers
> day.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one thing
>
> >>> every day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those
>
> >>> days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up
>
> >>> a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is intrigued
> for sure.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His younger
>
> >>> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Exciting times!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis
>
> >>>> <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> .....
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing
>
> >>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I
>
> >>>> did
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and
>
> >>>> accomplished
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the
>
> >>>> San
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat
>
> >>>> and he
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money for
>
> >>>> those
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> (grin).
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Chris Geankoplis
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> ENOSIS
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They
>
> >>>>> are
>
> >>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> real owner of the list!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it,
>
> >>>>> put
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he
>
> >>>>> could
>
> >>> lie
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started looking
>
> >>> around
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go out
>
> >>>>> again
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then
>
> >>> started
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more
>
> >>> awesome)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> than other boats.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he could
>
> >>>>> ?fix
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> eventually,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> ???
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Ha!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant be
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i
>
> >>> guess i
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> ?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley
>
> >>>>>> <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan
>
> >>>>>> loyalist
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> since
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an
>
> >>>>>> active
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his
>
> >>>>>> company are
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> Mike Corley
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> S/V Ranger
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> Hampton Roads
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not
>
> >>>>>>> have
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> any
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats
> ....
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> fro
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved
>
> >>>>>>> with
>
> >>> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally
>
> >>>>>>> will he
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings
>
> >>>>>>> here
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a
>
> >>>>>>> Rhodes
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> 22, or
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies
>
> >>> under
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> least two of those points.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> ________________________________
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
>
> >>>>>>> behalf of
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Bob
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel
>
> >>>>>>> at
>
> >>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the
>
> >>>>>>> same
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> show.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned
>
> >>>>>>> about
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> using a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years
>
> >>>>>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> marketed
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis
>
> >>>>>>> Sailboat
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Show in
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> against
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base
>
> >>>>>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the
>
> >>>>>>> ?right
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> thing?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> services.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the
>
> >>>>>>> last 15
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from
>
> >>>>>>> Annapolis
>
> >>> on
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and
>
> >>>>>>> we
>
> >>> were
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around
>
> >>>>>>> us
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> while
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty
>
> >>>>>>> of the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of
>
> >>>>>>> these
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> dolphins
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the
> Chesapeake.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness
>
> >>>>>>> <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very
>
> >>>>>>>> much
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> alive
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him
>
> >>> money
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without
>
> >>>>>>>> driving
>
> >>> to
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would
>
> >>>>>>>> have
>
> >>> it,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> i
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i
>
> >>>>>>>> made
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> drive.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts
>
> >>>>>>>> to
>
> >>> keep
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> things operational right!!!???
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word
>
> >>> (despite
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats
>
> >>>>>>>> age
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> out
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea
>
> >>>>>>>> especially
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was
>
> >>>>>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and
>
> >>>>>>>> ship
>
> >>> an
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> order for soft and small parts.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the
>
> >>>>>>>> same
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> market
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in
>
> >>>>>>>> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> endeavor
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned
>
> >>>>>>>> R22?s
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> that
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the
>
> >>>>>>>> recycling
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to
>
> >>>>>>>> Stan....if
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> you
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> are still reading.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> rudderpost
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the
>
> >>>>>>>> midline
>
> >>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and
>
> >>> looks
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> much
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!
>
> >>>>>>>> After all
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> that
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> WAS your idea!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any
>
> >>>>>>>>> circumstances,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business
>
> >>>>>>>> will
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> pass
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to
>
> >>>>>>>> drive
>
> >>> to
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may
>
> >>>>>>>> find
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> she
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating
>
> >>>>>>>> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> option.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> Remember that time flies.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What
>
> >>> going
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> on
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> here?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following
>
> >>>>>>>>> but
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> not
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> understanding
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares
>
> >>>>>>>>>> <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new
>
> >>>>>>>>>> admins
>
> >>> keep
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as
>
> >>>>>>>>>> plain
>
> >>> text
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't
>
> >>>>>>>>>> stand
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Nabble.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email
>
> >>>>>>>>>> will
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> probably
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents;
>
> >>>>>>>>>> which
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> is
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> more
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started
>
> >>>>>>>>>> this
>
> >>> list
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> for
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Early on
>
> >>> I
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> bumped
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off
>
> >>> because
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> of
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my
>
> >>>>>>>>>> calls and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> parts
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the
>
> >>> parts
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why
>
> >>> should I
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> stop
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one
>
> >>>>>>>>>> dime
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> in
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> my
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Support
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> program.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization
>
> >>>>>>>>>> before,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> but I
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up
>
> >>>>>>>>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> defend
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Stan.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally
>
> >>>>>>>>>> retire...before
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> he
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about
>
> >>>>>>>>>> making
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> him
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I
>
> >>> could
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> drive
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the
>
> >>> business
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and
>
> >>>>>>>>>> property in
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> his
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Will
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had
>
> >>>>>>>>>> already
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> made
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> him that offer.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> supportive
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to
>
> >>>>>>>>>> understand
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> how
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE,
>
> >>>>>>>>>> is
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> supposed
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate
>
> >>>>>>>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> brand? b
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list
>
> >>>>>>>>>> members
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> who've
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying
>
> >>>>>>>>>> this is
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Stan's
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and
>
> >>> we've
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> certainly
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is
>
> >>> certainly
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> not a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make
>
> >>>>>>>>>> enemy of
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Chris
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or
>
> >>>>>>>>>> looking
>
> >>> for
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral
>
> >>>>>>>>>> of
>
> >>> our
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> fleet.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Stan;
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation
>
> >>>>>>>>>> such as
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> this,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it
>
> >>> actually
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> helps
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not
>
> >>>>>>>>>> provided
>
> >>> any
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> And
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> while
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have
>
> >>>>>>>>>> an
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> expiration
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but
>
> >>> could
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> you
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be
>
> >>>>>>>>>> some
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> plan
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to
>
> >>>>>>>>>> provide
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> such.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> He
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I
>
> >>> wish
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> both
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Charles
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> 98 R 22
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> s/v DayDreams
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> board
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> of
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper
>
> >>>>>>>>>> response to
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Chris
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two
>
> >>>>>>>>>> emails, we
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> feel
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> we
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
>
> >>> before
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> declaration of war:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> sale
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> seriously
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have
>
> >>>>>>>>>> several
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> happening
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> here
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List
>
> >>>>>>>>>> will
>
> >>> be
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> stan
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >
>
>
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jun  7 15:40:41 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 15:40:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ENOSIS Launch
Message-ID: <003101d51d68$e6d71fc0$b4855f40$@ebsmed.com>

Congratulations on bringing ENOSIS back to the sea!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 3:29 PM
To: JAY FRIEDLAND <jsail1 at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

Hey Jay and everyone else who has passed a love of sailing to the next generation, or 2, what greater joy?  And as Chris C described, it is a good time to appreciate those who passed their love of the sea onto us. I know there are a number of you who one day said ?I?m going to learn to sail. You deserve recognition too. Anyone out there who wants to share?  On a side note, ENOSIS gets trucked down the mountain and launched on Monday.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
Ischia Italy



From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jun  7 15:45:25 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 21:45:25 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ENOSIS Launch
In-Reply-To: <003101d51d68$e6d71fc0$b4855f40$@ebsmed.com>
References: <003101d51d68$e6d71fc0$b4855f40$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUzJdkf3cQ7jLNeQxMXCYd2Hx984EEYwdZ5UODxkkuvKg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mike. ?Course they gotta truck it down some 7? wide streets
first......
Chris G

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 21:40, <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> Congratulations on bringing ENOSIS back to the sea!
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Chris Geankoplis
>
> Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 3:29 PM
>
> To: JAY FRIEDLAND <jsail1 at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
>
>
> Hey Jay and everyone else who has passed a love of sailing to the next
> generation, or 2, what greater joy?  And as Chris C described, it is a good
> time to appreciate those who passed their love of the sea onto us. I know
> there are a number of you who one day said ?I?m going to learn to sail. You
> deserve recognition too. Anyone out there who wants to share?  On a side
> note, ENOSIS gets trucked down the mountain and launched on Monday.
>
>
>
> Chris Geankoplis
>
> ENOSIS
>
> Ischia Italy
>
>
>
>
>
>

From rweiss at siu.edu  Fri Jun  7 15:46:24 2019
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 19:46:24 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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I've enjoyed seeing my grandson, who is now seven, take to sailing since he was two. Of course, he considers himself the captain anytime he steps on my boat.

[cid:09477657-e834-4322-8d0b-31a942cae88d]


Bob Weiss
Beach Spring


Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 2:28 PM
To: JAY FRIEDLAND; The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

Hey Jay and everyone else who has passed a love of sailing to the next
generation, or 2, what greater joy?  And as Chris C described, it is a good
time to appreciate those who passed their love of the sea onto us. I know
there are a number of you who one day said ?I?m going to learn to sail. You
deserve recognition too. Anyone out there who wants to share?  On a side
note, ENOSIS gets trucked down the mountain and launched on Monday.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
Ischia Italy

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 18:44, JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Cane across this from some 27 years ago. Justin?s still as hopped up to
> sail?.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Jay:
>
> > My dad taught me to sail on a Rhodes 19 on the Long Island Sound at an
> age when the little red life jacket seemed bigger than me.  We would sail
> across the sound and overnight in Connecticut.  Lot's of great memories and
> a wonderful introduction to the life of a sailor.  It's great that you have
> passed on the tradition to Justin.
>
> >
>
> > Christopher P. Cowie
>
> >
>
> > 700 N Fairfax Street
>
> > Suite 304
>
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22314
>
> > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list
>
> > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 11:31 AM
>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >
>
> > My son, Justin, started sailing at 7 on an Optimist in active sail
> racing, now 33, and took the helm of our R22 standing on the seat. At 10 &
> beyond, I brought him to a few of  the Atlantic City Boat Shows when I was
> working Stan?s booth. He, with great enthusiasm, did demos & worked with us
> pulling the IMF out and furling it in, convincing many on-lookers to
> consider it even more. He became a fine-tuned sailor on a championship high
> school sailing team competing nationally in Charleston, SC, and Lake
> Pontchartrain, LA.
>
> >
>
> > Now he?s a half-partner with me, originally earning more sailing time
> proportional to the percent of prep work & maintenance he did each year on
> our first R22 (Just, You & Me), now our 2nd. Wanderlust, a ?97 vintage gets
> a very demanding workout, often 800-1,100 nm clocked each year, and in some
> of the strongest & steadiest winds, on the east coast, even in freezing
> rain, surfing down large rollers as he posted on our final trip last year.
> I get afternoon sailing time, during the week, he gets evenings, sunsets
> and beyond. It is hard to sail together when you have 2 captains, but we
> always work it out and learning from each other. His sail racing experience
> has Justin seeing/feeling and adjusting for the next 3 coming wind shifts,
> which I still can?t fathom.
>
> >
>
> > In any case, a kid and a sailboat is magic wherever it leads.
>
> >
>
> > Chris G., one of my regrets looking back, is the opportunity you offered
> me to help your son?s boat prepped in Greece. If only... ?There is nothing-
> absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in
> boats?, unless, of course, you can get your kid involved at any age.
> Father?s Day is a great time to enjoy it.
>
> >
>
> > Jay Friedland
>
> > S/v Wanderlust ?97
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.
>
> >>
>
> >> Chris G
>
> >> ENOSIS
>
> >>
>
> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Thanks Chris!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on fathers
> day.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one thing
>
> >>> every day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those
>
> >>> days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up
>
> >>> a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is intrigued
> for sure.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His younger
>
> >>> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Exciting times!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis
>
> >>>> <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> .....
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing
>
> >>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I
>
> >>>> did
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and
>
> >>>> accomplished
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the
>
> >>>> San
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat
>
> >>>> and he
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money for
>
> >>>> those
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> (grin).
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Chris Geankoplis
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> ENOSIS
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They
>
> >>>>> are
>
> >>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> real owner of the list!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it,
>
> >>>>> put
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he
>
> >>>>> could
>
> >>> lie
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started looking
>
> >>> around
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go out
>
> >>>>> again
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then
>
> >>> started
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more
>
> >>> awesome)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> than other boats.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he could
>
> >>>>> ?fix
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> eventually,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> ???
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Ha!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant be
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i
>
> >>> guess i
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> ?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley
>
> >>>>>> <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> I am with Stan on this issue.  Been a Rhodes owner and Stan
>
> >>>>>> loyalist
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> since
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> 1996.  I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an
>
> >>>>>> active
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> partner to help with GB.  Seems to me that Chris C. and his
>
> >>>>>> company are
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> Mike Corley
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> S/V Ranger
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> Hampton Roads
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not
>
> >>>>>>> have
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> any
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats
> ....
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> fro
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved
>
> >>>>>>> with
>
> >>> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally
>
> >>>>>>> will he
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings
>
> >>>>>>> here
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a
>
> >>>>>>> Rhodes
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> 22, or
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies
>
> >>> under
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> least two of those points.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> ________________________________
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on
>
> >>>>>>> behalf of
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Bob
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel
>
> >>>>>>> at
>
> >>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the
>
> >>>>>>> same
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> show.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned
>
> >>>>>>> about
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> using a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years
>
> >>>>>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> marketed
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis
>
> >>>>>>> Sailboat
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Show in
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> against
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> an established brand. Using a competitor?s existing customer base
>
> >>>>>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the
>
> >>>>>>> ?right
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> thing?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> services.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> It?s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> As a side note, I?ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the
>
> >>>>>>> last 15
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from
>
> >>>>>>> Annapolis
>
> >>> on
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and
>
> >>>>>>> we
>
> >>> were
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around
>
> >>>>>>> us
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> while
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty
>
> >>>>>>> of the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of
>
> >>>>>>> these
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> dolphins
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the
> Chesapeake.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Regards,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness
>
> >>>>>>> <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste.  Stan is very
>
> >>>>>>>> much
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> alive
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> My motto is ?treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him
>
> >>> money
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without
>
> >>>>>>>> driving
>
> >>> to
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> factory as it was too large to ship.  But as serendpity would
>
> >>>>>>>> have
>
> >>> it,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> i
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i
>
> >>>>>>>> made
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> drive.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts
>
> >>>>>>>> to
>
> >>> keep
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> things operational right!!!???
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word
>
> >>> (despite
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats
>
> >>>>>>>> age
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> out
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> and be repurchased for recycling.  Its a brilliant idea
>
> >>>>>>>> especially
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> considering GB was only a ?one design? company (i know there was
>
> >>>>>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> prototype).  Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and
>
> >>>>>>>> ship
>
> >>> an
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> order for soft and small parts.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the
>
> >>>>>>>> same
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> market
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in
>
> >>>>>>>> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> endeavor
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> so be not dismayed.  Another issue is the fate of the abandoned
>
> >>>>>>>> R22?s
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> that
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the
>
> >>>>>>>> recycling
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> program.  I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to
>
> >>>>>>>> Stan....if
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> you
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> are still reading.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> rudderpost
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the
>
> >>>>>>>> midline
>
> >>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26  and
>
> >>> looks
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> much
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> better!  It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22!
>
> >>>>>>>> After all
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> that
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> WAS your idea!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any
>
> >>>>>>>>> circumstances,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone.  I suspect the business
>
> >>>>>>>> will
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> pass
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to
>
> >>>>>>>> drive
>
> >>> to
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner.  You may
>
> >>>>>>>> find
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> she
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating
>
> >>>>>>>> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> option.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> Remember that time flies.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:   Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What
>
> >>> going
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> on
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> here?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following
>
> >>>>>>>>> but
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> not
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>> understanding
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares
>
> >>>>>>>>>> <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new
>
> >>>>>>>>>> admins
>
> >>> keep
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as
>
> >>>>>>>>>> plain
>
> >>> text
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't
>
> >>>>>>>>>> stand
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Nabble.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email
>
> >>>>>>>>>> will
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> probably
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents;
>
> >>>>>>>>>> which
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> is
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> more
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started
>
> >>>>>>>>>> this
>
> >>> list
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> for
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Early on
>
> >>> I
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> bumped
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off
>
> >>> because
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> of
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my
>
> >>>>>>>>>> calls and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> parts
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the
>
> >>> parts
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why
>
> >>> should I
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> stop
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one
>
> >>>>>>>>>> dime
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> in
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> my
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Support
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> program.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization
>
> >>>>>>>>>> before,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> but I
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up
>
> >>>>>>>>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> defend
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Stan.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally
>
> >>>>>>>>>> retire...before
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> he
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about
>
> >>>>>>>>>> making
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> him
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> this
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I
>
> >>> could
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> drive
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the
>
> >>> business
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and
>
> >>>>>>>>>> property in
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> his
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Will
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had
>
> >>>>>>>>>> already
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> made
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> him that offer.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> supportive
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to
>
> >>>>>>>>>> understand
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> how
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE,
>
> >>>>>>>>>> is
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> supposed
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket?  Is that how you perpetuate
>
> >>>>>>>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> brand? b
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list
>
> >>>>>>>>>> members
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> who've
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying
>
> >>>>>>>>>> this is
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Stan's
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and
>
> >>> we've
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> promoted General Boats with some success.  CC's business may
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> certainly
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is
>
> >>> certainly
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> not a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make
>
> >>>>>>>>>> enemy of
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> Chris
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or
>
> >>>>>>>>>> looking
>
> >>> for
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral
>
> >>>>>>>>>> of
>
> >>> our
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> fleet.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Stan;
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation
>
> >>>>>>>>>> such as
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> this,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it
>
> >>> actually
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> helps
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not
>
> >>>>>>>>>> provided
>
> >>> any
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> And
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> while
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I?m pretty certain you do have
>
> >>>>>>>>>> an
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> expiration
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I?m wrong here I applaud you but
>
> >>> could
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> you
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be
>
> >>>>>>>>>> some
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> plan
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to
>
> >>>>>>>>>> provide
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> such.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> He
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> I
>
> >>> wish
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> both
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Charles
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> 98 R 22
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> s/v DayDreams
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> board
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> of
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper
>
> >>>>>>>>>> response to
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> Chris
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two
>
> >>>>>>>>>> emails, we
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> feel
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>> we
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List,
>
> >>> before
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> declaration of war:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> sale
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> seriously
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have
>
> >>>>>>>>>> several
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> happening
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>> here
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List
>
> >>>>>>>>>> will
>
> >>> be
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> stan
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jun  7 16:03:56 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 16:03:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Passing the love of sailing to future
	generations
Message-ID: <003401d51d6c$2451ed00$6cf5c700$@ebsmed.com>

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You need a T-shirt or a hat that identifies you as the captain, not that it will matter.
(https://chummytees.com/products/im-the-captain-thats-why-t-shirt-hoodie-tank-top

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Weiss, Robert L
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 3:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

I've enjoyed seeing my grandson, who is now seven, take to sailing since he was two. Of course, he considers himself the captain anytime he steps on my boat.

[cid:09477657-e834-4322-8d0b-31a942cae88d]


Bob Weiss
Beach Spring


Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 2:28 PM
To: JAY FRIEDLAND; The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

Hey Jay and everyone else who has passed a love of sailing to the next generation, or 2, what greater joy?  And as Chris C described, it is a good time to appreciate those who passed their love of the sea onto us. I know there are a number of you who one day said ?I?m going to learn to sail. You deserve recognition too. Anyone out there who wants to share?  On a side note, ENOSIS gets trucked down the mountain and launched on Monday.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
Ischia Italy

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 18:44, JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Cane across this from some 27 years ago. Justin?s still as hopped up 
> to sail?.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Chris Cowie 
> > <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Jay:
>
> > My dad taught me to sail on a Rhodes 19 on the Long Island Sound at 
> > an
> age when the little red life jacket seemed bigger than me.  We would 
> sail across the sound and overnight in Connecticut.  Lot's of great 
> memories and a wonderful introduction to the life of a sailor.  It's 
> great that you have passed on the tradition to Justin.
>
> >
>
> > Christopher P. Cowie
>
> >
>
> > 700 N Fairfax Street
>
> > Suite 304
>
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22314
>
> > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
> > Of
> JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list
>
> > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 11:31 AM
>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >
>
> > My son, Justin, started sailing at 7 on an Optimist in active sail
> racing, now 33, and took the helm of our R22 standing on the seat. At 
> 10 & beyond, I brought him to a few of  the Atlantic City Boat Shows 
> when I was working Stan?s booth. He, with great enthusiasm, did demos 
> & worked with us pulling the IMF out and furling it in, convincing 
> many on-lookers to consider it even more. He became a fine-tuned 
> sailor on a championship high school sailing team competing nationally 
> in Charleston, SC, and Lake Pontchartrain, LA.
>
> >
>
> > Now he?s a half-partner with me, originally earning more sailing 
> > time
> proportional to the percent of prep work & maintenance he did each 
> year on our first R22 (Just, You & Me), now our 2nd. Wanderlust, a ?97 
> vintage gets a very demanding workout, often 800-1,100 nm clocked each 
> year, and in some of the strongest & steadiest winds, on the east 
> coast, even in freezing rain, surfing down large rollers as he posted on our final trip last year.
> I get afternoon sailing time, during the week, he gets evenings, 
> sunsets and beyond. It is hard to sail together when you have 2 
> captains, but we always work it out and learning from each other. His 
> sail racing experience has Justin seeing/feeling and adjusting for the 
> next 3 coming wind shifts, which I still can?t fathom.
>
> >
>
> > In any case, a kid and a sailboat is magic wherever it leads.
>
> >
>
> > Chris G., one of my regrets looking back, is the opportunity you 
> > offered
> me to help your son?s boat prepped in Greece. If only... ?There is 
> nothing- absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply 
> messing about in boats?, unless, of course, you can get your kid involved at any age.
> Father?s Day is a great time to enjoy it.
>
> >
>
> > Jay Friedland
>
> > S/v Wanderlust ?97
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.
>
> >>
>
> >> Chris G
>
> >> ENOSIS
>
> >>
>
> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Thanks Chris!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on 
> >>> fathers
> day.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one 
> >>> thing
>
> >>> every day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those
>
> >>> days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking 
> >>> up
>
> >>> a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is 
> >>> intrigued
> for sure.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His 
> >>> younger
>
> >>> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Exciting times!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis
>
> >>>> <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> .....
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of 
> >>>> sailing
>
> >>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big 
> >>>> goo. I
>
> >>>> did
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and
>
> >>>> accomplished
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in 
> >>>> the
>
> >>>> San
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat
>
> >>>> and he
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money 
> >>>> for
>
> >>>> those
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> (grin).
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Chris Geankoplis
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> ENOSIS
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? 
> >>>>> They
>
> >>>>> are
>
> >>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> real owner of the list!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of 
> >>>>> it,
>
> >>>>> put
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he
>
> >>>>> could
>
> >>> lie
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started 
> >>>>> looking
>
> >>> around
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go 
> >>>>> out
>
> >>>>> again
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He 
> >>>>> then
>
> >>> started
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more
>
> >>> awesome)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> than other boats.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he 
> >>>>> could
>
> >>>>> ?fix
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this 
> >>>>> out
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> eventually,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> ???
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Ha!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant 
> >>>>> be
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one 
> >>>>> so i
>
> >>> guess i
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> ?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jun  7 16:43:01 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 20:43:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Passing the love of sailing to
	future	generations
In-Reply-To: <003401d51d6c$2451ed00$6cf5c700$@ebsmed.com>
References: <003401d51d6c$2451ed00$6cf5c700$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR05MB53963FED638F2DB025B45C99C1100@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Mike,
How true.  You can wear the shirt, but the Admiral still rules.....  - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mweisner at ebsmed.com
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 4:04 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Passing the love of sailing to future generations

The image loads at the bottom of the email (it was nearly lost from view) so I shortened up the email history (removed the storm clouds) and changed the subject line to reflect the current discussion.

You need a T-shirt or a hat that identifies you as the captain, not that it will matter.
(https://chummytees.com/products/im-the-captain-thats-why-t-shirt-hoodie-tank-top

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Weiss, Robert L
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 3:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

I've enjoyed seeing my grandson, who is now seven, take to sailing since he was two. Of course, he considers himself the captain anytime he steps on my boat.

[cid:09477657-e834-4322-8d0b-31a942cae88d]


Bob Weiss
Beach Spring


Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 2:28 PM
To: JAY FRIEDLAND; The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

Hey Jay and everyone else who has passed a love of sailing to the next generation, or 2, what greater joy?  And as Chris C described, it is a good time to appreciate those who passed their love of the sea onto us. I know there are a number of you who one day said ?I?m going to learn to sail. You deserve recognition too. Anyone out there who wants to share?  On a side note, ENOSIS gets trucked down the mountain and launched on Monday.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
Ischia Italy

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 18:44, JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Cane across this from some 27 years ago. Justin?s still as hopped up 
> to sail?.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Chris Cowie 
> > <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Jay:
>
> > My dad taught me to sail on a Rhodes 19 on the Long Island Sound at 
> > an
> age when the little red life jacket seemed bigger than me.  We would 
> sail across the sound and overnight in Connecticut.  Lot's of great 
> memories and a wonderful introduction to the life of a sailor.  It's 
> great that you have passed on the tradition to Justin.
>
> >
>
> > Christopher P. Cowie
>
> >
>
> > 700 N Fairfax Street
>
> > Suite 304
>
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22314
>
> > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
> > Of
> JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list
>
> > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 11:31 AM
>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >
>
> > My son, Justin, started sailing at 7 on an Optimist in active sail
> racing, now 33, and took the helm of our R22 standing on the seat. At
> 10 & beyond, I brought him to a few of  the Atlantic City Boat Shows 
> when I was working Stan?s booth. He, with great enthusiasm, did demos 
> & worked with us pulling the IMF out and furling it in, convincing 
> many on-lookers to consider it even more. He became a fine-tuned 
> sailor on a championship high school sailing team competing nationally 
> in Charleston, SC, and Lake Pontchartrain, LA.
>
> >
>
> > Now he?s a half-partner with me, originally earning more sailing 
> > time
> proportional to the percent of prep work & maintenance he did each 
> year on our first R22 (Just, You & Me), now our 2nd. Wanderlust, a ?97 
> vintage gets a very demanding workout, often 800-1,100 nm clocked each 
> year, and in some of the strongest & steadiest winds, on the east 
> coast, even in freezing rain, surfing down large rollers as he posted on our final trip last year.
> I get afternoon sailing time, during the week, he gets evenings, 
> sunsets and beyond. It is hard to sail together when you have 2 
> captains, but we always work it out and learning from each other. His 
> sail racing experience has Justin seeing/feeling and adjusting for the 
> next 3 coming wind shifts, which I still can?t fathom.
>
> >
>
> > In any case, a kid and a sailboat is magic wherever it leads.
>
> >
>
> > Chris G., one of my regrets looking back, is the opportunity you 
> > offered
> me to help your son?s boat prepped in Greece. If only... ?There is
> nothing- absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply 
> messing about in boats?, unless, of course, you can get your kid involved at any age.
> Father?s Day is a great time to enjoy it.
>
> >
>
> > Jay Friedland
>
> > S/v Wanderlust ?97
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.
>
> >>
>
> >> Chris G
>
> >> ENOSIS
>
> >>
>
> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Thanks Chris!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on 
> >>> fathers
> day.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one 
> >>> thing
>
> >>> every day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those
>
> >>> days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking 
> >>> up
>
> >>> a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is 
> >>> intrigued
> for sure.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His 
> >>> younger
>
> >>> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Exciting times!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis
>
> >>>> <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> .....
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of 
> >>>> sailing
>
> >>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big 
> >>>> goo. I
>
> >>>> did
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and
>
> >>>> accomplished
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in 
> >>>> the
>
> >>>> San
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat
>
> >>>> and he
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money 
> >>>> for
>
> >>>> those
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> (grin).
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Chris Geankoplis
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> ENOSIS
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? 
> >>>>> They
>
> >>>>> are
>
> >>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> real owner of the list!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of 
> >>>>> it,
>
> >>>>> put
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he
>
> >>>>> could
>
> >>> lie
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started 
> >>>>> looking
>
> >>> around
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go 
> >>>>> out
>
> >>>>> again
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He 
> >>>>> then
>
> >>> started
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more
>
> >>> awesome)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> than other boats.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he 
> >>>>> could
>
> >>>>> ?fix
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this 
> >>>>> out
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> eventually,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> ???
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Ha!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant 
> >>>>> be
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one 
> >>>>> so i
>
> >>> guess i
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> ?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>
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From jayf401 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  7 17:52:51 2019
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 17:52:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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This is what I meant to send that captured it all some 27 years ago-


> On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:44 PM, JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Cane across this from some 27 years ago. Justin?s still as hopped up to sail?.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Jay:
>> My dad taught me to sail on a Rhodes 19 on the Long Island Sound at an age when the little red life jacket seemed bigger than me.  We would sail across the sound and overnight in Connecticut.  Lot's of great memories and a wonderful introduction to the life of a sailor.  It's great that you have passed on the tradition to Justin.
>> 
>> Christopher P. Cowie    
>> 
>> 700 N Fairfax Street
>> Suite 304
>> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
>> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list
>> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 11:31 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>> 
>> My son, Justin, started sailing at 7 on an Optimist in active sail racing, now 33, and took the helm of our R22 standing on the seat. At 10 & beyond, I brought him to a few of  the Atlantic City Boat Shows when I was working Stan?s booth. He, with great enthusiasm, did demos & worked with us pulling the IMF out and furling it in, convincing many on-lookers to consider it even more. He became a fine-tuned sailor on a championship high school sailing team competing nationally in Charleston, SC, and Lake Pontchartrain, LA. 
>> 
>> Now he?s a half-partner with me, originally earning more sailing time proportional to the percent of prep work & maintenance he did each year on our first R22 (Just, You & Me), now our 2nd. Wanderlust, a ?97 vintage gets a very demanding workout, often 800-1,100 nm clocked each year, and in some of the strongest & steadiest winds, on the east coast, even in freezing rain, surfing down large rollers as he posted on our final trip last year. I get afternoon sailing time, during the week, he gets evenings, sunsets and beyond. It is hard to sail together when you have 2 captains, but we always work it out and learning from each other. His sail racing experience has Justin seeing/feeling and adjusting for the next 3 coming wind shifts, which I still can?t fathom.
>> 
>> In any case, a kid and a sailboat is magic wherever it leads.
>> 
>> Chris G., one of my regrets looking back, is the opportunity you offered me to help your son?s boat prepped in Greece. If only... ?There is nothing- absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing about in boats?, unless, of course, you can get your kid involved at any age. Father?s Day is a great time to enjoy it.
>> 
>> Jay Friedland
>> S/v Wanderlust ?97
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.
>>> 
>>> Chris G
>>> ENOSIS
>>> 
>>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks Chris!
>>>> 
>>>> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on fathers day.
>>>> 
>>>> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one thing 
>>>> every day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those 
>>>> days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up 
>>>> a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is intrigued for sure.
>>>> 
>>>> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His younger 
>>>> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>>>> 
>>>> Exciting times!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>>>> 
>>>> 
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jun  7 18:41:53 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 18:41:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Passing the love of sailing
	to	future	generations
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(Image posted by Mike for Jay)

This is what I meant to send that captured it all some 27 years ago-

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:44 PM, JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Cane across this from some 27 years ago. Justin?s still as hopped up to sail?.
> 


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 4:43 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Passing the love of sailing to future generations

Mike,
How true.  You can wear the shirt, but the Admiral still rules.....  - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mweisner at ebsmed.com
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 4:04 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Passing the love of sailing to future generations

The image loads at the bottom of the email (it was nearly lost from view) so I shortened up the email history (removed the storm clouds) and changed the subject line to reflect the current discussion.

You need a T-shirt or a hat that identifies you as the captain, not that it will matter.
(https://chummytees.com/products/im-the-captain-thats-why-t-shirt-hoodie-tank-top

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Weiss, Robert L
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 3:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

I've enjoyed seeing my grandson, who is now seven, take to sailing since he was two. Of course, he considers himself the captain anytime he steps on my boat.

[cid:09477657-e834-4322-8d0b-31a942cae88d]


Bob Weiss
Beach Spring


Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 2:28 PM
To: JAY FRIEDLAND; The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds

Hey Jay and everyone else who has passed a love of sailing to the next generation, or 2, what greater joy?  And as Chris C described, it is a good time to appreciate those who passed their love of the sea onto us. I know there are a number of you who one day said ?I?m going to learn to sail. You deserve recognition too. Anyone out there who wants to share?  On a side note, ENOSIS gets trucked down the mountain and launched on Monday.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
Ischia Italy

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 18:44, JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Cane across this from some 27 years ago. Justin?s still as hopped up 
> to sail?.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Chris Cowie 
> > <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Jay:
>
> > My dad taught me to sail on a Rhodes 19 on the Long Island Sound at 
> > an
> age when the little red life jacket seemed bigger than me.  We would 
> sail across the sound and overnight in Connecticut.  Lot's of great 
> memories and a wonderful introduction to the life of a sailor.  It's 
> great that you have passed on the tradition to Justin.
>
> >
>
> > Christopher P. Cowie
>
> >
>
> > 700 N Fairfax Street
>
> > Suite 304
>
> > Alexandria, Virginia 22314
>
> > 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>
> > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> >
>
> > -----Original Message-----
>
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
> > Of
> JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list
>
> > Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 11:31 AM
>
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >
>
> > My son, Justin, started sailing at 7 on an Optimist in active sail
> racing, now 33, and took the helm of our R22 standing on the seat. At
> 10 & beyond, I brought him to a few of  the Atlantic City Boat Shows 
> when I was working Stan?s booth. He, with great enthusiasm, did demos 
> & worked with us pulling the IMF out and furling it in, convincing 
> many on-lookers to consider it even more. He became a fine-tuned 
> sailor on a championship high school sailing team competing nationally 
> in Charleston, SC, and Lake Pontchartrain, LA.
>
> >
>
> > Now he?s a half-partner with me, originally earning more sailing 
> > time
> proportional to the percent of prep work & maintenance he did each 
> year on our first R22 (Just, You & Me), now our 2nd. Wanderlust, a ?97 
> vintage gets a very demanding workout, often 800-1,100 nm clocked each 
> year, and in some of the strongest & steadiest winds, on the east 
> coast, even in freezing rain, surfing down large rollers as he posted on our final trip last year.
> I get afternoon sailing time, during the week, he gets evenings, 
> sunsets and beyond. It is hard to sail together when you have 2 
> captains, but we always work it out and learning from each other. His 
> sail racing experience has Justin seeing/feeling and adjusting for the 
> next 3 coming wind shifts, which I still can?t fathom.
>
> >
>
> > In any case, a kid and a sailboat is magic wherever it leads.
>
> >
>
> > Chris G., one of my regrets looking back, is the opportunity you 
> > offered
> me to help your son?s boat prepped in Greece. If only... ?There is
> nothing- absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply 
> messing about in boats?, unless, of course, you can get your kid involved at any age.
> Father?s Day is a great time to enjoy it.
>
> >
>
> > Jay Friedland
>
> > S/v Wanderlust ?97
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.
>
> >>
>
> >> Chris G
>
> >> ENOSIS
>
> >>
>
> >> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >>> Thanks Chris!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on 
> >>> fathers
> day.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one 
> >>> thing
>
> >>> every day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those
>
> >>> days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking 
> >>> up
>
> >>> a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is 
> >>> intrigued
> for sure.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His 
> >>> younger
>
> >>> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Exciting times!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis
>
> >>>> <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> .....
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of 
> >>>> sailing
>
> >>>> and
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big 
> >>>> goo. I
>
> >>>> did
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and
>
> >>>> accomplished
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in 
> >>>> the
>
> >>>> San
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Juan?s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat
>
> >>>> and he
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won?t be the money 
> >>>> for
>
> >>>> those
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> (grin).
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Chris Geankoplis
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> ENOSIS
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? 
> >>>>> They
>
> >>>>> are
>
> >>> the
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> real owner of the list!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of 
> >>>>> it,
>
> >>>>> put
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he
>
> >>>>> could
>
> >>> lie
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6?3?)!  He started 
> >>>>> looking
>
> >>> around
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> and said ?This thing is really cool!?  I cant wait till you go 
> >>>>> out
>
> >>>>> again
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He 
> >>>>> then
>
> >>> started
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was ?sick? (meaning more
>
> >>> awesome)
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> than other boats.
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Then he started walking around my ?parts boat? and decided he 
> >>>>> could
>
> >>>>> ?fix
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> it and sail? (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this 
> >>>>> out
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> eventually,
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> ???
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Ha!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> So now is the conundrum.  Didn?t Stan say last week my son cant 
> >>>>> be
>
> >>>>> a
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one 
> >>>>> so i
>
> >>> guess i
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> can transfer it?  Thoughts?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> ?
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>>
>
> >>>
>
> >>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Jun  7 19:09:59 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 16:09:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1992 Rhodes 22 rebuilt 2007 FOR SALE 12,
	500 Toledo Oh.
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Hi Luis.  Thanks for the info.  I think I'm going to hold out for a boat that
has IMF.



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jun  8 06:20:28 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 12:20:28 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
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That?s the ticket, 2 gererations of, no wait, three generations of sailors,
wonderful. At ny granddaughter went sailing on the other boat in the
Bahamas last year. Can?t wait to do it again. Hope she becomes like your
grandson.

Chris G
Enosis

On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 23:52, Jay Friedland <jayf401 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is what I meant to send that captured it all some 27 years ago-
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:44 PM, JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Cane across this from some 27 years ago. Justin?s still as hopped up to
> sail?.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >> On Jun 7, 2019, at 11:39 AM, Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>
>
> >> Jay:
>
> >> My dad taught me to sail on a Rhodes 19 on the Long Island Sound at an
> age when the little red life jacket seemed bigger than me.  We would sail
> across the sound and overnight in Connecticut.  Lot's of great memories and
> a wonderful introduction to the life of a sailor.  It's great that you have
> passed on the tradition to Justin.
>
> >>
>
> >> Christopher P. Cowie
>
> >>
>
> >> 700 N Fairfax Street
>
> >> Suite 304
>
> >> Alexandria, Virginia 22314
>
> >> 703.717.9103 ex.204 ? 202.270.1470 mobile
>
> >> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
> >>
>
> >> -----Original Message-----
>
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> JAY FRIEDLAND via Rhodes22-list
>
> >> Sent: Friday, June 07, 2019 11:31 AM
>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>
> >>
>
> >> My son, Justin, started sailing at 7 on an Optimist in active sail
> racing, now 33, and took the helm of our R22 standing on the seat. At 10 &
> beyond, I brought him to a few of  the Atlantic City Boat Shows when I was
> working Stan?s booth. He, with great enthusiasm, did demos & worked with us
> pulling the IMF out and furling it in, convincing many on-lookers to
> consider it even more. He became a fine-tuned sailor on a championship high
> school sailing team competing nationally in Charleston, SC, and Lake
> Pontchartrain, LA.
>
> >>
>
> >> Now he?s a half-partner with me, originally earning more sailing time
> proportional to the percent of prep work & maintenance he did each year on
> our first R22 (Just, You & Me), now our 2nd. Wanderlust, a ?97 vintage gets
> a very demanding workout, often 800-1,100 nm clocked each year, and in some
> of the strongest & steadiest winds, on the east coast, even in freezing
> rain, surfing down large rollers as he posted on our final trip last year.
> I get afternoon sailing time, during the week, he gets evenings, sunsets
> and beyond. It is hard to sail together when you have 2 captains, but we
> always work it out and learning from each other. His sail racing experience
> has Justin seeing/feeling and adjusting for the next 3 coming wind shifts,
> which I still can?t fathom.
>
> >>
>
> >> In any case, a kid and a sailboat is magic wherever it leads.
>
> >>
>
> >> Chris G., one of my regrets looking back, is the opportunity you
> offered me to help your son?s boat prepped in Greece. If only... ?There is
> nothing- absolutely nothing- half so much worth doing as simply messing
> about in boats?, unless, of course, you can get your kid involved at any
> age. Father?s Day is a great time to enjoy it.
>
> >>
>
> >> Jay Friedland
>
> >> S/v Wanderlust ?97
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>
>
> >>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 10:51 AM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>> And you keep the kids involved. Lots of sailing to look forward to.
>
> >>>
>
> >>> Chris G
>
> >>> ENOSIS
>
> >>>
>
> >>> On Fri, 7 Jun 2019 at 15:15, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >>>
>
> >>>> Thanks Chris!
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Yes i will continue to encourage him.  We are going sailing on
> fathers day.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. ?Do one thing
>
> >>>> every day to or for the boat?. Doesnt have to be big though those
>
> >>>> days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up
>
> >>>> a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws.  He is intrigued
> for sure.
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver!  His younger
>
> >>>> brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Exciting times!
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>> Bob (Palatka)
>
> >>>>
>
> >>>>
>
> >
>
>
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jun  8 16:44:49 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 22:44:49 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>

Well, we loaded up the boat onto a 14 foot flatbed truck. A bit nervous but
it got here that way. Hopefully I can attach the pic.
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From rodellner at mac.com  Sat Jun  8 16:52:45 2019
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 14:52:45 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33D03CA4-9DA2-4E34-A60F-88FE5F0C7975@mac.com>

Got it!!   Now ENJOY!!

Mary & Rod
St Croix River  WI

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
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From mcneelyd at site-solutions.com  Sat Jun  8 17:36:34 2019
From: mcneelyd at site-solutions.com (Dennis)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 17:36:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a1c974aa-c79b-c176-baed-3c5df4cee10d@site-solutions.com>

Hi Chris,

Looking forward to the email confirming you've splashed. (referring to 
Enosis 1, not her skipper! <grin>)

Dennis
Magic Moments

On 6/8/2019 4:44 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote:
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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sat Jun  8 17:46:11 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 21:46:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel
In-Reply-To: <33D03CA4-9DA2-4E34-A60F-88FE5F0C7975@mac.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>,
 <33D03CA4-9DA2-4E34-A60F-88FE5F0C7975@mac.com>
Message-ID: <2B123432-0C92-4B0F-B164-B29CC37F738E@cowieassociates.com>

Is that a triad flatbed?


Please note our new office address and phone number

Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]

700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]

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On Jun 8, 2019, at 4:52 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:

Got it!!   Now ENJOY!!

Mary & Rod
St Croix River  WI

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com<mailto:chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>> wrote:

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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Sat Jun  8 21:05:25 2019
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 18:05:25 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuN8ijR1guazUaJ9Ku8SnvRVqjdWyEZ9y9WkTEgCUTLfWA@mail.gmail.com>

Chris -

 Not one season,but two! Best to you and Alice.

Cheers,

Shawn

s/v Sweet Baboo



On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 1:45 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jun  8 22:19:06 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 22:19:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02d701d51e69$b9bcdfa0$2d369ee0$@ca>

Fantastic. But I am surprised that a Rhodes can rest on its keel like that.

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 4:45 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel

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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jun  9 02:00:58 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 08:00:58 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequelhey G
In-Reply-To: <02d701d51e69$b9bcdfa0$2d369ee0$@ca>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <02d701d51e69$b9bcdfa0$2d369ee0$@ca>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVZc+5vSBa1b2b7+xMqCjSeD-h=oeUMACrSRuFvtt-sOw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Graham, most of the weight is on wooden blocks about where th bunks
would be. Not totally happy but it is what it is.

On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 04:19, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Fantastic. But I am surprised that a Rhodes can rest on its keel like that.
>
>
>
> Graham Stewart
>
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Geankoplis
>
> Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 4:45 PM
>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel
>
>
>
> Well, we loaded up the boat onto a 14 foot flatbed truck. A bit nervous but
>
> it got here that way. Hopefully I can attach the pic.
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jun  9 02:08:03 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 08:08:03 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel
In-Reply-To: <02d701d51e69$b9bcdfa0$2d369ee0$@ca>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiVdni_8Ygi7W0apypOHwG-KNQ9Kjf325sM38pJq5LNVAQ@mail.gmail.com>

Chris C, not sure about the truck but it has a 10k lifting arm which takes
some of the bed so hence the 14 ? (est) usable bed.  They close the yard at
noon on Sundays so I?m going to try to find s trail to the top of the
volcano, Mt. Epomeo.
Chris G
ENOSIS

On Sun, 9 Jun 2019 at 04:19, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Fantastic. But I am surprised that a Rhodes can rest on its keel like that.
>
>
>
> Graham Stewart
>
> Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
>
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Geankoplis
>
> Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 4:45 PM
>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel
>
>
>
> Well, we loaded up the boat onto a 14 foot flatbed truck. A bit nervous but
>
> it got here that way. Hopefully I can attach the pic.
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Sun Jun  9 08:03:58 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 08:03:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjftsCkkejJD2gTyYvw_wRJc6-Jska94ayi95TiyqF5Ryw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

I am having a problem with my mast mount attachment to the cabin top.  When
launching last Sunday, a well meaning friend pushed up from the cockpit
intending to help the winch to lift the mast but instead popped the mount
off the cabin top. I attempted to reseat it using ribbed metal strips that
grip the holes and the screws.  The screws all seemed to be tight but when
raising the mast yesterday the mount popped off again just at the mast left
the stern crutch.  Nothing broke and nobody got hurt but I am back to
square one.

I remember past discussions about not using epoxy for the repair as it is
supposed to give rather than tear out the cabin top if anything goes
wrong.  I am planning to fill the holes with plastic wood, drill pilot
holes and rebed the mount.  I am also considering 1/2" longer screws for
more bearing surface.

Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome and appreciated.  I could not find
the past discussions on nabble.

Thanks,

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sun Jun  9 09:04:45 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 09:04:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjftsCkkejJD2gTyYvw_wRJc6-Jska94ayi95TiyqF5Ryw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjftsCkkejJD2gTyYvw_wRJc6-Jska94ayi95TiyqF5Ryw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02dd01d51ec3$ec2e9730$c48bc590$@ca>

Stephen:
I would definitely use epoxy rather than plastic wood. You really don't want water to work its way into the cabin top and I would not trust plastic wood even with sealant.

I know that there has been discussion about not bolting the mast step to the cabin top, for the reason you mention, but filling damaged screw holes with epoxy should not be a problem. 

The fact that the screws came out so easily would make me want to check the condition of the core in the area just to make sure the core, if wood, is still solid.

Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:04 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue

Dear All,

I am having a problem with my mast mount attachment to the cabin top.  When
launching last Sunday, a well meaning friend pushed up from the cockpit
intending to help the winch to lift the mast but instead popped the mount
off the cabin top. I attempted to reseat it using ribbed metal strips that
grip the holes and the screws.  The screws all seemed to be tight but when
raising the mast yesterday the mount popped off again just at the mast left
the stern crutch.  Nothing broke and nobody got hurt but I am back to
square one.

I remember past discussions about not using epoxy for the repair as it is
supposed to give rather than tear out the cabin top if anything goes
wrong.  I am planning to fill the holes with plastic wood, drill pilot
holes and rebed the mount.  I am also considering 1/2" longer screws for
more bearing surface.

Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome and appreciated.  I could not find
the past discussions on nabble.

Thanks,

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun Jun  9 10:14:35 2019
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 10:14:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
In-Reply-To: <02dd01d51ec3$ec2e9730$c48bc590$@ca>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjftsCkkejJD2gTyYvw_wRJc6-Jska94ayi95TiyqF5Ryw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02dd01d51ec3$ec2e9730$c48bc590$@ca>
Message-ID: <77f51b84-f161-347c-b1b1-47027f73d786@atlanticbb.net>

When we did this (doesn't everyone?) we refilled the holes with sawdust 
or shavings and epoxy, let it cure and then redrilled the holes. Used 
the same length wood screws. So not bedded in epoxy just rebuilt and 
redrilled. We may have used non-adhesive bedding on the screws just to 
help keep things dry.

Mary Lou
ex R-22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara

On 6/9/2019 9:04 AM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Stephen:
> I would definitely use epoxy rather than plastic wood. You really don't want water to work its way into the cabin top and I would not trust plastic wood even with sealant.
>
> I know that there has been discussion about not bolting the mast step to the cabin top, for the reason you mention, but filling damaged screw holes with epoxy should not be a problem.
>
> The fact that the screws came out so easily would make me want to check the condition of the core in the area just to make sure the core, if wood, is still solid.
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:04 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am having a problem with my mast mount attachment to the cabin top.  When
> launching last Sunday, a well meaning friend pushed up from the cockpit
> intending to help the winch to lift the mast but instead popped the mount
> off the cabin top. I attempted to reseat it using ribbed metal strips that
> grip the holes and the screws.  The screws all seemed to be tight but when
> raising the mast yesterday the mount popped off again just at the mast left
> the stern crutch.  Nothing broke and nobody got hurt but I am back to
> square one.
>
> I remember past discussions about not using epoxy for the repair as it is
> supposed to give rather than tear out the cabin top if anything goes
> wrong.  I am planning to fill the holes with plastic wood, drill pilot
> holes and rebed the mount.  I am also considering 1/2" longer screws for
> more bearing surface.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome and appreciated.  I could not find
> the past discussions on nabble.
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
>


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From snstaum at gmail.com  Sun Jun  9 10:43:26 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 10:43:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
In-Reply-To: <02dd01d51ec3$ec2e9730$c48bc590$@ca>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjftsCkkejJD2gTyYvw_wRJc6-Jska94ayi95TiyqF5Ryw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02dd01d51ec3$ec2e9730$c48bc590$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjfFQyv-oEETYooB9iMY-Err_+yYdCE2b8iAYVZym=5bnw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Graham. I will head out to the mooring shortly - epoxy in hand.

Stephen

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:04 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Stephen:
> I would definitely use epoxy rather than plastic wood. You really don't
> want water to work its way into the cabin top and I would not trust plastic
> wood even with sealant.
>
> I know that there has been discussion about not bolting the mast step to
> the cabin top, for the reason you mention, but filling damaged screw holes
> with epoxy should not be a problem.
>
> The fact that the screws came out so easily would make me want to check
> the condition of the core in the area just to make sure the core, if wood,
> is still solid.
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Stephen Staum
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:04 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am having a problem with my mast mount attachment to the cabin top.  When
> launching last Sunday, a well meaning friend pushed up from the cockpit
> intending to help the winch to lift the mast but instead popped the mount
> off the cabin top. I attempted to reseat it using ribbed metal strips that
> grip the holes and the screws.  The screws all seemed to be tight but when
> raising the mast yesterday the mount popped off again just at the mast left
> the stern crutch.  Nothing broke and nobody got hurt but I am back to
> square one.
>
> I remember past discussions about not using epoxy for the repair as it is
> supposed to give rather than tear out the cabin top if anything goes
> wrong.  I am planning to fill the holes with plastic wood, drill pilot
> holes and rebed the mount.  I am also considering 1/2" longer screws for
> more bearing surface.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome and appreciated.  I could not find
> the past discussions on nabble.
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
> --
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Jun 10 11:16:38 2019
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:16:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjfFQyv-oEETYooB9iMY-Err_+yYdCE2b8iAYVZym=5bnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjftsCkkejJD2gTyYvw_wRJc6-Jska94ayi95TiyqF5Ryw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02dd01d51ec3$ec2e9730$c48bc590$@ca>
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Message-ID: <BL0PR05MB53960E4DEC6182818A1696FEC1130@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Stephen,
You do not want to epoxy the mast step to the cabin top.  The mast step is designed to break loose, likes yours did.  Are you using the mast crutch and the mast raising system? - rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:43 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue

Thanks Graham. I will head out to the mooring shortly - epoxy in hand.

Stephen

On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:04 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Stephen:
> I would definitely use epoxy rather than plastic wood. You really 
> don't want water to work its way into the cabin top and I would not 
> trust plastic wood even with sealant.
>
> I know that there has been discussion about not bolting the mast step 
> to the cabin top, for the reason you mention, but filling damaged 
> screw holes with epoxy should not be a problem.
>
> The fact that the screws came out so easily would make me want to 
> check the condition of the core in the area just to make sure the 
> core, if wood, is still solid.
>
> Graham
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On 
> Behalf Of Stephen Staum
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:04 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
>
> Dear All,
>
> I am having a problem with my mast mount attachment to the cabin top.  
> When launching last Sunday, a well meaning friend pushed up from the 
> cockpit intending to help the winch to lift the mast but instead 
> popped the mount off the cabin top. I attempted to reseat it using 
> ribbed metal strips that grip the holes and the screws.  The screws 
> all seemed to be tight but when raising the mast yesterday the mount 
> popped off again just at the mast left the stern crutch.  Nothing 
> broke and nobody got hurt but I am back to square one.
>
> I remember past discussions about not using epoxy for the repair as it 
> is supposed to give rather than tear out the cabin top if anything 
> goes wrong.  I am planning to fill the holes with plastic wood, drill 
> pilot holes and rebed the mount.  I am also considering 1/2" longer 
> screws for more bearing surface.
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome and appreciated.  I could not 
> find the past discussions on nabble.
>
> Thanks,
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
> --
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Jun 10 17:29:54 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 17:29:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR05MB53960E4DEC6182818A1696FEC1130@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOo_FjddFa=j2WKeWJTQPwY7kHmU9C-koau54685ESdmFKGo6A@mail.gmail.com>

Yes.  I have Stan's mast system.  I did not epoxy the mount in place, but I
did rebuild the worn screw holes with epoxy.
Pray for a safe mast raising.


*Stephen Staum*

*s/v Carol Lee 2*


On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 11:16 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Stephen,
> You do not want to epoxy the mast step to the cabin top.  The mast step is
> designed to break loose, likes yours did.  Are you using the mast crutch
> and the mast raising system? - rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Stephen Staum
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
>
> Thanks Graham. I will head out to the mooring shortly - epoxy in hand.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:04 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> > Stephen:
> > I would definitely use epoxy rather than plastic wood. You really
> > don't want water to work its way into the cabin top and I would not
> > trust plastic wood even with sealant.
> >
> > I know that there has been discussion about not bolting the mast step
> > to the cabin top, for the reason you mention, but filling damaged
> > screw holes with epoxy should not be a problem.
> >
> > The fact that the screws came out so easily would make me want to
> > check the condition of the core in the area just to make sure the
> > core, if wood, is still solid.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Stephen Staum
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:04 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I am having a problem with my mast mount attachment to the cabin top.
> > When launching last Sunday, a well meaning friend pushed up from the
> > cockpit intending to help the winch to lift the mast but instead
> > popped the mount off the cabin top. I attempted to reseat it using
> > ribbed metal strips that grip the holes and the screws.  The screws
> > all seemed to be tight but when raising the mast yesterday the mount
> > popped off again just at the mast left the stern crutch.  Nothing
> > broke and nobody got hurt but I am back to square one.
> >
> > I remember past discussions about not using epoxy for the repair as it
> > is supposed to give rather than tear out the cabin top if anything
> > goes wrong.  I am planning to fill the holes with plastic wood, drill
> > pilot holes and rebed the mount.  I am also considering 1/2" longer
> > screws for more bearing surface.
> >
> > Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome and appreciated.  I could not
> > find the past discussions on nabble.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Carol Lee 2*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> > --
> Stephen Staum
> Pariser Industries, Inc.
>

From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jun 10 18:03:01 2019
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 22:03:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjddFa=j2WKeWJTQPwY7kHmU9C-koau54685ESdmFKGo6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4643EA45FE6F22940F7747A780130@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Stephan,



Besides the pivoting winch & ginpole on the foredeck, are you also using Stan?s mast crutch at the stern to raise the mast as high as possible prior to the start of the lift?  Without going into the nasty mathematical details, mast raising is a vector force problem.  From the point of view of shearing force at the mast mount/cabin roof joint, the critical time is right at the beginning of the lift.  As the lift proceeds and the mast angle gets steeper, more and more of the weight of the mast is directed down into the cabin roof, where the load is taken up by the mast compression post and there is less and less shear force on the mast mount/cabin roof joint.  The more you can lift the mast up from the stern at the start of the lift, the lower will be the initial shear force on the mast mount/cabin roof joint.  Obviously, pushing near the bottom of the mast during the lift also adds to the shearing force while contributing little to the lift; but, you already knew that!



Now that you?ve already stripped out the screw holes, I would rebuild them using epoxy thickened with fumed silica.  Be sure you drill out any rotten wood, caulk, etc before you fill the holes.  To assure a good bond to the cabin roof, first paint the inside of the holes with unthickened epoxy.  Let it soak into the sides of the holes and let the epoxy kick off; but, don?t let it completely cure.  Depending on temperature, 15-25 minutes is the appropriate time to wait.  Then, fill the holes with thickened epoxy and let it completely cure, say overnight.  You want the epoxy thickened to the consistency of peanut butter.  By not letting the unthickened epoxy completely cure before adding the thickened epoxy, you will achieve a much stronger, waterproof bond with the cabin roof.  It?s also cheap insurance against any future water intrusion into that critical joint.



Hopefully this helps.  Good luck!



Roger Pihlaja

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 5:29:54 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue

Yes.  I have Stan's mast system.  I did not epoxy the mount in place, but I
did rebuild the worn screw holes with epoxy.
Pray for a safe mast raising.


*Stephen Staum*

*s/v Carol Lee 2*


On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 11:16 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Stephen,
> You do not want to epoxy the mast step to the cabin top.  The mast step is
> designed to break loose, likes yours did.  Are you using the mast crutch
> and the mast raising system? - rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Stephen Staum
> Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
>
> Thanks Graham. I will head out to the mooring shortly - epoxy in hand.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:04 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> > Stephen:
> > I would definitely use epoxy rather than plastic wood. You really
> > don't want water to work its way into the cabin top and I would not
> > trust plastic wood even with sealant.
> >
> > I know that there has been discussion about not bolting the mast step
> > to the cabin top, for the reason you mention, but filling damaged
> > screw holes with epoxy should not be a problem.
> >
> > The fact that the screws came out so easily would make me want to
> > check the condition of the core in the area just to make sure the
> > core, if wood, is still solid.
> >
> > Graham
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf Of Stephen Staum
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:04 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > I am having a problem with my mast mount attachment to the cabin top.
> > When launching last Sunday, a well meaning friend pushed up from the
> > cockpit intending to help the winch to lift the mast but instead
> > popped the mount off the cabin top. I attempted to reseat it using
> > ribbed metal strips that grip the holes and the screws.  The screws
> > all seemed to be tight but when raising the mast yesterday the mount
> > popped off again just at the mast left the stern crutch.  Nothing
> > broke and nobody got hurt but I am back to square one.
> >
> > I remember past discussions about not using epoxy for the repair as it
> > is supposed to give rather than tear out the cabin top if anything
> > goes wrong.  I am planning to fill the holes with plastic wood, drill
> > pilot holes and rebed the mount.  I am also considering 1/2" longer
> > screws for more bearing surface.
> >
> > Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome and appreciated.  I could not
> > find the past discussions on nabble.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Carol Lee 2*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> > --
> Stephen Staum
> Pariser Industries, Inc.
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Jun 10 18:24:39 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:24:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4643EA45FE6F22940F7747A780130@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAOo_FjcuR+rO7n6ZaZg1ANEX9Th4xcK0=O2+F3gouko-Q1ufcA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Roger. Good to have you back. I think I filled the holes with
plastic wood a few years ago & it worked for a while. I did drill out the
rotten material before filling with epoxy. I think I have a solid base to
attach to now. I?ll let it cure  until Wednesday then drill & remount the
base.

Pray for a safe mast raising.

Stephen

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 6:03 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Stephan,
>
>
>
> Besides the pivoting winch & ginpole on the foredeck, are you also using
> Stan?s mast crutch at the stern to raise the mast as high as possible prior
> to the start of the lift?  Without going into the nasty mathematical
> details, mast raising is a vector force problem.  From the point of view of
> shearing force at the mast mount/cabin roof joint, the critical time is
> right at the beginning of the lift.  As the lift proceeds and the mast
> angle gets steeper, more and more of the weight of the mast is directed
> down into the cabin roof, where the load is taken up by the mast
> compression post and there is less and less shear force on the mast
> mount/cabin roof joint.  The more you can lift the mast up from the stern
> at the start of the lift, the lower will be the initial shear force on the
> mast mount/cabin roof joint.  Obviously, pushing near the bottom of the
> mast during the lift also adds to the shearing force while contributing
> little to the lift; but, you already knew that!
>
>
>
> Now that you?ve already stripped out the screw holes, I would rebuild them
> using epoxy thickened with fumed silica.  Be sure you drill out any rotten
> wood, caulk, etc before you fill the holes.  To assure a good bond to the
> cabin roof, first paint the inside of the holes with unthickened epoxy.
> Let it soak into the sides of the holes and let the epoxy kick off; but,
> don?t let it completely cure.  Depending on temperature, 15-25 minutes is
> the appropriate time to wait.  Then, fill the holes with thickened epoxy
> and let it completely cure, say overnight.  You want the epoxy thickened to
> the consistency of peanut butter.  By not letting the unthickened epoxy
> completely cure before adding the thickened epoxy, you will achieve a much
> stronger, waterproof bond with the cabin roof.  It?s also cheap insurance
> against any future water intrusion into that critical joint.
>
>
>
> Hopefully this helps.  Good luck!
>
>
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 5:29:54 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
>
> Yes.  I have Stan's mast system.  I did not epoxy the mount in place, but I
> did rebuild the worn screw holes with epoxy.
> Pray for a safe mast raising.
>
>
> *Stephen Staum*
>
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 11:16 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> > Stephen,
> > You do not want to epoxy the mast step to the cabin top.  The mast step
> is
> > designed to break loose, likes yours did.  Are you using the mast crutch
> > and the mast raising system? - rob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Stephen Staum
> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:43 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
> >
> > Thanks Graham. I will head out to the mooring shortly - epoxy in hand.
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:04 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Stephen:
> > > I would definitely use epoxy rather than plastic wood. You really
> > > don't want water to work its way into the cabin top and I would not
> > > trust plastic wood even with sealant.
> > >
> > > I know that there has been discussion about not bolting the mast step
> > > to the cabin top, for the reason you mention, but filling damaged
> > > screw holes with epoxy should not be a problem.
> > >
> > > The fact that the screws came out so easily would make me want to
> > > check the condition of the core in the area just to make sure the
> > > core, if wood, is still solid.
> > >
> > > Graham
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > > Behalf Of Stephen Staum
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:04 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
> > >
> > > Dear All,
> > >
> > > I am having a problem with my mast mount attachment to the cabin top.
> > > When launching last Sunday, a well meaning friend pushed up from the
> > > cockpit intending to help the winch to lift the mast but instead
> > > popped the mount off the cabin top. I attempted to reseat it using
> > > ribbed metal strips that grip the holes and the screws.  The screws
> > > all seemed to be tight but when raising the mast yesterday the mount
> > > popped off again just at the mast left the stern crutch.  Nothing
> > > broke and nobody got hurt but I am back to square one.
> > >
> > > I remember past discussions about not using epoxy for the repair as it
> > > is supposed to give rather than tear out the cabin top if anything
> > > goes wrong.  I am planning to fill the holes with plastic wood, drill
> > > pilot holes and rebed the mount.  I am also considering 1/2" longer
> > > screws for more bearing surface.
> > >
> > > Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome and appreciated.  I could not
> > > find the past discussions on nabble.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > *Stephen Staum*
> > > *s/v Carol Lee 2*
> > >
> > > *Needham, MA*
> > >
> > > --
> > Stephen Staum
> > Pariser Industries, Inc.
> >
>
-- 
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon Jun 10 18:25:24 2019
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:25:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjcuR+rO7n6ZaZg1ANEX9Th4xcK0=O2+F3gouko-Q1ufcA@mail.gmail.com>
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& I am using the stern crutch as well.

S

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 6:24 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Roger. Good to have you back. I think I filled the holes with
> plastic wood a few years ago & it worked for a while. I did drill out the
> rotten material before filling with epoxy. I think I have a solid base to
> attach to now. I?ll let it cure  until Wednesday then drill & remount the
> base.
>
> Pray for a safe mast raising.
>
> Stephen
>
> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 6:03 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Stephan,
>>
>>
>>
>> Besides the pivoting winch & ginpole on the foredeck, are you also using
>> Stan?s mast crutch at the stern to raise the mast as high as possible prior
>> to the start of the lift?  Without going into the nasty mathematical
>> details, mast raising is a vector force problem.  From the point of view of
>> shearing force at the mast mount/cabin roof joint, the critical time is
>> right at the beginning of the lift.  As the lift proceeds and the mast
>> angle gets steeper, more and more of the weight of the mast is directed
>> down into the cabin roof, where the load is taken up by the mast
>> compression post and there is less and less shear force on the mast
>> mount/cabin roof joint.  The more you can lift the mast up from the stern
>> at the start of the lift, the lower will be the initial shear force on the
>> mast mount/cabin roof joint.  Obviously, pushing near the bottom of the
>> mast during the lift also adds to the shearing force while contributing
>> little to the lift; but, you already knew that!
>>
>>
>>
>> Now that you?ve already stripped out the screw holes, I would rebuild
>> them using epoxy thickened with fumed silica.  Be sure you drill out any
>> rotten wood, caulk, etc before you fill the holes.  To assure a good bond
>> to the cabin roof, first paint the inside of the holes with unthickened
>> epoxy.  Let it soak into the sides of the holes and let the epoxy kick off;
>> but, don?t let it completely cure.  Depending on temperature, 15-25 minutes
>> is the appropriate time to wait.  Then, fill the holes with thickened epoxy
>> and let it completely cure, say overnight.  You want the epoxy thickened to
>> the consistency of peanut butter.  By not letting the unthickened epoxy
>> completely cure before adding the thickened epoxy, you will achieve a much
>> stronger, waterproof bond with the cabin roof.  It?s also cheap insurance
>> against any future water intrusion into that critical joint.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully this helps.  Good luck!
>>
>>
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>>
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 5:29:54 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
>>
>> Yes.  I have Stan's mast system.  I did not epoxy the mount in place, but
>> I
>> did rebuild the worn screw holes with epoxy.
>> Pray for a safe mast raising.
>>
>>
>> *Stephen Staum*
>>
>> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 11:16 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>> > Stephen,
>> > You do not want to epoxy the mast step to the cabin top.  The mast step
>> is
>> > designed to break loose, likes yours did.  Are you using the mast crutch
>> > and the mast raising system? - rob
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> > Stephen Staum
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 10:43 AM
>> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
>> >
>> > Thanks Graham. I will head out to the mooring shortly - epoxy in hand.
>> >
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> > On Sun, Jun 9, 2019 at 9:04 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Stephen:
>> > > I would definitely use epoxy rather than plastic wood. You really
>> > > don't want water to work its way into the cabin top and I would not
>> > > trust plastic wood even with sealant.
>> > >
>> > > I know that there has been discussion about not bolting the mast step
>> > > to the cabin top, for the reason you mention, but filling damaged
>> > > screw holes with epoxy should not be a problem.
>> > >
>> > > The fact that the screws came out so easily would make me want to
>> > > check the condition of the core in the area just to make sure the
>> > > core, if wood, is still solid.
>> > >
>> > > Graham
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
>> > > Behalf Of Stephen Staum
>> > > Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 8:04 AM
>> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
>> > >
>> > > Dear All,
>> > >
>> > > I am having a problem with my mast mount attachment to the cabin top.
>> > > When launching last Sunday, a well meaning friend pushed up from the
>> > > cockpit intending to help the winch to lift the mast but instead
>> > > popped the mount off the cabin top. I attempted to reseat it using
>> > > ribbed metal strips that grip the holes and the screws.  The screws
>> > > all seemed to be tight but when raising the mast yesterday the mount
>> > > popped off again just at the mast left the stern crutch.  Nothing
>> > > broke and nobody got hurt but I am back to square one.
>> > >
>> > > I remember past discussions about not using epoxy for the repair as it
>> > > is supposed to give rather than tear out the cabin top if anything
>> > > goes wrong.  I am planning to fill the holes with plastic wood, drill
>> > > pilot holes and rebed the mount.  I am also considering 1/2" longer
>> > > screws for more bearing surface.
>> > >
>> > > Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome and appreciated.  I could not
>> > > find the past discussions on nabble.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks,
>> > >
>> > > *Stephen Staum*
>> > > *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>> > >
>> > > *Needham, MA*
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > Stephen Staum
>> > Pariser Industries, Inc.
>> >
>>
> --
> Stephen Staum
> Pariser Industries, Inc.
>
-- 
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From rkenbrower at gmail.com  Mon Jun 10 18:59:56 2019
From: rkenbrower at gmail.com (rkenbrower)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 18:59:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] would you please remove me from list
Message-ID: <00b001d51fe0$39bcaf60$ad360e20$@gmail.com>

Thanks, sold the boat


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Jun 10 19:20:27 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner at ebsmed.com)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:20:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] would you please remove me from list
In-Reply-To: <00b001d51fe0$39bcaf60$ad360e20$@gmail.com>
References: <00b001d51fe0$39bcaf60$ad360e20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009901d51fe3$17b2f8e0$4718eaa0$@ebsmed.com>

Congrats on selling the boat.

To subscribe, unsubscribe, change your delivery options, recover a lost
password, temporarily disable/enable your account, maintain dual email
addresses, etc., go to 

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enter your subscription email address:"  Enter your email address and click
"Unsubscribe or edit options"

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
rkenbrower
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2019 7:00 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] would you please remove me from list

Thanks, sold the boat


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Jun 11 15:10:07 2019
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:10:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Mount Issue
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjddFa=j2WKeWJTQPwY7kHmU9C-koau54685ESdmFKGo6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWsn086T=scdQf+5EJe6gOnBaxK_zXNvNt0aTjKmE_9Rg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjftsCkkejJD2gTyYvw_wRJc6-Jska94ayi95TiyqF5Ryw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02dd01d51ec3$ec2e9730$c48bc590$@ca>
 <CAOo_FjfFQyv-oEETYooB9iMY-Err_+yYdCE2b8iAYVZym=5bnw@mail.gmail.com>
 <BL0PR05MB53960E4DEC6182818A1696FEC1130@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAOo_FjddFa=j2WKeWJTQPwY7kHmU9C-koau54685ESdmFKGo6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36bK3K_F0QkGx6tN5V+hhs5m-g_SpM3L0qzQFDwqoUcdAg@mail.gmail.com>

Stephen,

I hope what you mean by that is that the screws are not fastening directly
to the epoxy.  The last thing you want the next time your step pulls out is
that it takes the epoxy with it.

If using a larger diameter screw does not hold the step because the
underlying step block is too rotten, inject filler epoxy and before it
cures, press 3/8" wood dowels into the screw positions.  After it dries,
you can remount your mast step by screwing into the dowels.

Regards,

Rick Lange

From dwbrad at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 08:58:17 2019
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:58:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer reparis
In-Reply-To: <1534778424287-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1534778424287-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5EAD1664-9E24-4E7A-820D-3A4FAE4F4821@gmail.com>

Hi all.  Has anyone undertaken the project to replace the original (now rusted and frozen) drum brakes on a Triad single-axle trailer with a disc brake upgrade?  It?s not a cheap project but is purported to give an otherwise good trailer a new lease on life.  I don?t travel far with the boat - some years about 300 yards from the boat yard to the launch ramp and back spring and fall?.the lack of use is the main problem.  

I don?t think I can remove the old brakes and have a legal trailer.  Or so I?m told.  

Has anyone priced this out?  

Thanks for any assistance.

Happy summer to all.

Dave B
s/v Sea Cloud
Old Greenwich, CT

From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 09:26:22 2019
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:26:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer reparis
In-Reply-To: <5EAD1664-9E24-4E7A-820D-3A4FAE4F4821@gmail.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1534778424287-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <5EAD1664-9E24-4E7A-820D-3A4FAE4F4821@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9ZGiAqjji2ZaTaqFa-04451N0SqkTLDL=-oTCMhrs6phA@mail.gmail.com>

For goodness sake....if all you are going to do is move your boat around
the yard, why bother with trailer brakes. I have towed Rhodes' on
brake-less trailers all over the country with no problems and unless
they're new, most of the trailers with brakes have problems. Admittedly, I
do have a vehicle that weighs more than the boat and trailer so I don't
worry about being able to stop.

Is there some rule in CT that requires all trailers to have brakes?


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:58 AM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all.  Has anyone undertaken the project to replace the original (now
> rusted and frozen) drum brakes on a Triad single-axle trailer with a disc
> brake upgrade?  It?s not a cheap project but is purported to give an
> otherwise good trailer a new lease on life.  I don?t travel far with the
> boat - some years about 300 yards from the boat yard to the launch ramp and
> back spring and fall?.the lack of use is the main problem.
>
> I don?t think I can remove the old brakes and have a legal trailer.  Or so
> I?m told.
>
> Has anyone priced this out?
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Happy summer to all.
>
> Dave B
> s/v Sea Cloud
> Old Greenwich, CT

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 09:36:15 2019
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:36:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer reparis
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9ZGiAqjji2ZaTaqFa-04451N0SqkTLDL=-oTCMhrs6phA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1534778424287-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <5EAD1664-9E24-4E7A-820D-3A4FAE4F4821@gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9ZGiAqjji2ZaTaqFa-04451N0SqkTLDL=-oTCMhrs6phA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMC+ZdEvn8CRqLghbxNzZKMr56t2b21nw6qqKXtOw_JXcg@mail.gmail.com>

A quick google search shows that they probably are required.

https://www.ct.gov/dmv/cwp/view.asp?a=804&q=244914

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:26 AM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> For goodness sake....if all you are going to do is move your boat around
> the yard, why bother with trailer brakes. I have towed Rhodes' on
> brake-less trailers all over the country with no problems and unless
> they're new, most of the trailers with brakes have problems. Admittedly, I
> do have a vehicle that weighs more than the boat and trailer so I don't
> worry about being able to stop.
>
> Is there some rule in CT that requires all trailers to have brakes?
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:58 AM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all.  Has anyone undertaken the project to replace the original (now
> > rusted and frozen) drum brakes on a Triad single-axle trailer with a disc
> > brake upgrade?  It?s not a cheap project but is purported to give an
> > otherwise good trailer a new lease on life.  I don?t travel far with the
> > boat - some years about 300 yards from the boat yard to the launch ramp
> and
> > back spring and fall?.the lack of use is the main problem.
> >
> > I don?t think I can remove the old brakes and have a legal trailer.  Or
> so
> > I?m told.
> >
> > Has anyone priced this out?
> >
> > Thanks for any assistance.
> >
> > Happy summer to all.
> >
> > Dave B
> > s/v Sea Cloud
> > Old Greenwich, CT
>

From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Jun 18 10:01:42 2019
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 14:01:42 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer reparis
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9ZGiAqjji2ZaTaqFa-04451N0SqkTLDL=-oTCMhrs6phA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1534778424287-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <5EAD1664-9E24-4E7A-820D-3A4FAE4F4821@gmail.com>,
 <CALbDJ9ZGiAqjji2ZaTaqFa-04451N0SqkTLDL=-oTCMhrs6phA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB46439BC752A91F1C5CC254F180EA0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I don?t know about CT; but, in Michigan, any trailer with a loaded weight over 2000 lbs has to have brakes to be used on the public highways.  Just moving around a private boat yard, I wouldn?t bother with brakes either.  Does your boat yard require your trailer to have a current license and registration?  If not, who cares if it?s ?legal??



Roger Pihlaja

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:26:22 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer reparis

For goodness sake....if all you are going to do is move your boat around
the yard, why bother with trailer brakes. I have towed Rhodes' on
brake-less trailers all over the country with no problems and unless
they're new, most of the trailers with brakes have problems. Admittedly, I
do have a vehicle that weighs more than the boat and trailer so I don't
worry about being able to stop.

Is there some rule in CT that requires all trailers to have brakes?


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:58 AM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all.  Has anyone undertaken the project to replace the original (now
> rusted and frozen) drum brakes on a Triad single-axle trailer with a disc
> brake upgrade?  It?s not a cheap project but is purported to give an
> otherwise good trailer a new lease on life.  I don?t travel far with the
> boat - some years about 300 yards from the boat yard to the launch ramp and
> back spring and fall?.the lack of use is the main problem.
>
> I don?t think I can remove the old brakes and have a legal trailer.  Or so
> I?m told.
>
> Has anyone priced this out?
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Happy summer to all.
>
> Dave B
> s/v Sea Cloud
> Old Greenwich, CT

From Bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 10:20:11 2019
From: Bgarrant at gmail.com (Bgarrant)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 07:20:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to rocker
	switch?
Message-ID: <1560867611687-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor lift from a
wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate guidance for doing
this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m overlooking something.
Thanks,
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000 




--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 10:35:19 2019
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:35:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer reparis
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB46439BC752A91F1C5CC254F180EA0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1534778424287-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <5EAD1664-9E24-4E7A-820D-3A4FAE4F4821@gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9ZGiAqjji2ZaTaqFa-04451N0SqkTLDL=-oTCMhrs6phA@mail.gmail.com>
 <BL0PR02MB46439BC752A91F1C5CC254F180EA0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRqdWTbvUAMjOWCmb0MZ83f9aCmBJO1Fw+6uYEMSTg2OJA@mail.gmail.com>

David, your brake issue may be a deal killer if you want to sell the boat.
I know it was a deal killer, at least once, when I was in the market
for my Rhodes 22. The buyer has to deal with the state laws plus who knows
how far they will need to tow the boat home. Just my thought.
Cary
Radford,VA
S/V Whisper

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 10:01 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> I don?t know about CT; but, in Michigan, any trailer with a loaded weight
> over 2000 lbs has to have brakes to be used on the public highways.  Just
> moving around a private boat yard, I wouldn?t bother with brakes either.
> Does your boat yard require your trailer to have a current license and
> registration?  If not, who cares if it?s ?legal??
>
>
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 9:26:22 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer reparis
>
> For goodness sake....if all you are going to do is move your boat around
> the yard, why bother with trailer brakes. I have towed Rhodes' on
> brake-less trailers all over the country with no problems and unless
> they're new, most of the trailers with brakes have problems. Admittedly, I
> do have a vehicle that weighs more than the boat and trailer so I don't
> worry about being able to stop.
>
> Is there some rule in CT that requires all trailers to have brakes?
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:58 AM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all.  Has anyone undertaken the project to replace the original (now
> > rusted and frozen) drum brakes on a Triad single-axle trailer with a disc
> > brake upgrade?  It?s not a cheap project but is purported to give an
> > otherwise good trailer a new lease on life.  I don?t travel far with the
> > boat - some years about 300 yards from the boat yard to the launch ramp
> and
> > back spring and fall?.the lack of use is the main problem.
> >
> > I don?t think I can remove the old brakes and have a legal trailer.  Or
> so
> > I?m told.
> >
> > Has anyone priced this out?
> >
> > Thanks for any assistance.
> >
> > Happy summer to all.
> >
> > Dave B
> > s/v Sea Cloud
> > Old Greenwich, CT
>

From bgreenwald at optonline.net  Tue Jun 18 12:50:17 2019
From: bgreenwald at optonline.net (Optonline)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:50:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer reparis
In-Reply-To: <5EAD1664-9E24-4E7A-820D-3A4FAE4F4821@gmail.com>
References: <1534701449818-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1534778424287-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <5EAD1664-9E24-4E7A-820D-3A4FAE4F4821@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <609282F0-DD75-4499-A67D-6846DF76EDC8@optonline.net>

Dave, I didn?t upgrade but when I was in Greenwich I had my trailer serviced (brakes freed/replaced) at John Herman in Stamford.  I don?t recall the disc conversation - he may have talked me out of it.  In any event, while not cheap ( I have a double axle) I found them very fair and reliable.

Bruce Greenwald
S/V Ruach
Shelter Island

> On Jun 18, 2019, at 8:58 AM, David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all.  Has anyone undertaken the project to replace the original (now rusted and frozen) drum brakes on a Triad single-axle trailer with a disc brake upgrade?  It?s not a cheap project but is purported to give an otherwise good trailer a new lease on life.  I don?t travel far with the boat - some years about 300 yards from the boat yard to the launch ramp and back spring and fall?.the lack of use is the main problem.  
> 
> I don?t think I can remove the old brakes and have a legal trailer.  Or so I?m told.  
> 
> Has anyone priced this out?  
> 
> Thanks for any assistance.
> 
> Happy summer to all.
> 
> Dave B
> s/v Sea Cloud
> Old Greenwich, CT


From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue Jun 18 14:34:39 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 18:34:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
 rocker	switch?
In-Reply-To: <1560867611687-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1560867611687-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <214213714.2507113.1560882879098@mail.yahoo.com>

I would remove the remote system, then rewire manual switch 1 system could back feed other and let the magic blue smoke out. mine needed 30 amp fuse I think this attachment is how I wire it? Mark s/v Fairwind 2
-----Original Message-----
From: Bgarrant <Bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to rocker switch?

I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor lift from a
wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate guidance for doing
this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m overlooking something.
Thanks,
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000 




--
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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue Jun 18 14:47:35 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 18:47:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
 rocker	switch?
In-Reply-To: <214213714.2507113.1560882879098@mail.yahoo.com>
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sorry the attachment did not go?


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to rocker switch?

I would remove the remote system, then rewire manual switch 1 system could back feed other and let the magic blue smoke out. mine needed 30 amp fuse I think this attachment is how I wire it? Mark s/v Fairwind 2
-----Original Message-----
From: Bgarrant <Bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to rocker switch?

I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor lift from a
wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate guidance for doing
this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m overlooking something.
Thanks,
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000 




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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Jun 18 15:10:14 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:10:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
	rocker	switch?
In-Reply-To: <1305856395.2504864.1560883655625@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1560867611687-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <214213714.2507113.1560882879098@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1305856395.2504864.1560883655625@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9AEBDCD9-DB07-4A9C-8B8B-197807E6B7C4@sunnybeeches.com>

The attachment came through for me.  The link is at the very bottom of the message.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)



> On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> sorry the attachment did not go?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to rocker switch?
> 
> I would remove the remote system, then rewire manual switch 1 system could back feed other and let the magic blue smoke out. mine needed 30 amp fuse I think this attachment is how I wire it  Mark s/v Fairwind 2
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bgarrant <Bgarrant at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to rocker switch?
> 
> I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor lift from a
> wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate guidance for doing
> this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m overlooking something.
> Thanks,
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie 2000 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From mike at traildesign.com  Tue Jun 18 16:13:10 2019
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:13:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
	rocker switch?
In-Reply-To: <9AEBDCD9-DB07-4A9C-8B8B-197807E6B7C4@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1560867611687-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <214213714.2507113.1560882879098@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1305856395.2504864.1560883655625@mail.yahoo.com>
 <9AEBDCD9-DB07-4A9C-8B8B-197807E6B7C4@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo9HK5B3rU_OB14vLrsPVHgA+aKiOxSnyWh_7NaWK4XpYg@mail.gmail.com>

The switch needs to go through isolation relays to prevent back feeding the
system. The relays should already be there. You'll need to remove the
wireless control and wire a SPDT switch rated for at least 30 amps in its
place. I put together a drawing showing how it should be wired.

Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021



On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:10 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> The attachment came through for me.  The link is at the very bottom of the
> message.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
>
> > On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > sorry the attachment did not go?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
> rocker switch?
> >
> > I would remove the remote system, then rewire manual switch 1 system
> could back feed other and let the magic blue smoke out. mine needed 30 amp
> fuse I think this attachment is how I wire it  Mark s/v Fairwind 2
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bgarrant <Bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
> rocker switch?
> >
> > I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor lift from a
> > wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate guidance for doing
> > this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m overlooking
> something.
> > Thanks,
> > Bob Garrant
> > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 17:07:21 2019
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:07:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
	rocker switch?
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo9HK5B3rU_OB14vLrsPVHgA+aKiOxSnyWh_7NaWK4XpYg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1560867611687-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <214213714.2507113.1560882879098@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1305856395.2504864.1560883655625@mail.yahoo.com>
 <9AEBDCD9-DB07-4A9C-8B8B-197807E6B7C4@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAAY+qo9HK5B3rU_OB14vLrsPVHgA+aKiOxSnyWh_7NaWK4XpYg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBDrV8nkT6R6hD7C6OR1bNbG2F9Tu-xme-VNg1McbKng=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Mike,
The attachment came through. Very helpful. And just in time because the
remote seems like it?s about to ?expire?.
Thanks very much,
Bob


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:13 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> The switch needs to go through isolation relays to prevent back feeding the
> system. The relays should already be there. You'll need to remove the
> wireless control and wire a SPDT switch rated for at least 30 amps in its
> place. I put together a drawing showing how it should be wired.
>
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:10 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The attachment came through for me.  The link is at the very bottom of
> the
> > message.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > sorry the attachment did not go?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
> > rocker switch?
> > >
> > > I would remove the remote system, then rewire manual switch 1 system
> > could back feed other and let the magic blue smoke out. mine needed 30
> amp
> > fuse I think this attachment is how I wire it  Mark s/v Fairwind 2
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bgarrant <Bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
> > rocker switch?
> > >
> > > I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor lift from
> a
> > > wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate guidance for
> doing
> > > this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m overlooking
> > something.
> > > Thanks,
> > > Bob Garrant
> > > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 17:50:58 2019
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:50:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Triad trailer reparis
In-Reply-To: <5EAD1664-9E24-4E7A-820D-3A4FAE4F4821@gmail.com>
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David,
     If you have to have brakes, disc is the way to go.  I refurbished my
93 single axle Triad trailer last fall at Triad Trailers in Raleigh cause I
want to start doing some travel this year.  Came out like a new trailer.
When I look at my itemized bill the stainless steel disc brakes were
included with the new 6,000 Lb axle for $624.  You will also most likely
need a new surge brake actuator, hoses, and quick disconnect.

Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads
Sailing in the shadow of the new USS John F. Kennedy . . .


On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:58 AM David Bradley <dwbrad at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all.  Has anyone undertaken the project to replace the original (now
> rusted and frozen) drum brakes on a Triad single-axle trailer with a disc
> brake upgrade?  It?s not a cheap project but is purported to give an
> otherwise good trailer a new lease on life.  I don?t travel far with the
> boat - some years about 300 yards from the boat yard to the launch ramp and
> back spring and fall?.the lack of use is the main problem.
>
> I don?t think I can remove the old brakes and have a legal trailer.  Or so
> I?m told.
>
> Has anyone priced this out?
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>
> Happy summer to all.
>
> Dave B
> s/v Sea Cloud
> Old Greenwich, CT

From mike at traildesign.com  Tue Jun 18 18:04:29 2019
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:04:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
	rocker switch?
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDrV8nkT6R6hD7C6OR1bNbG2F9Tu-xme-VNg1McbKng=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1560867611687-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <214213714.2507113.1560882879098@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1305856395.2504864.1560883655625@mail.yahoo.com>
 <9AEBDCD9-DB07-4A9C-8B8B-197807E6B7C4@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAAY+qo9HK5B3rU_OB14vLrsPVHgA+aKiOxSnyWh_7NaWK4XpYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBDrV8nkT6R6hD7C6OR1bNbG2F9Tu-xme-VNg1McbKng=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo-VA7H0wptBMB1nmYMR5MnsWX5bvBeBNuv5Q_-5Z74kvw@mail.gmail.com>

No worries Bob.
I was just looking at my drawing and realized you don?t need a 30 amp rated
switch since the switch is only powering the relay coils. I would recommend
the best water tight, marine grade switch you can get that?s rated for a
few amps higher than either of the relays.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:07 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mike,
> The attachment came through. Very helpful. And just in time because the
> remote seems like it?s about to ?expire?.
> Thanks very much,
> Bob
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:13 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> > The switch needs to go through isolation relays to prevent back feeding
> the
> > system. The relays should already be there. You'll need to remove the
> > wireless control and wire a SPDT switch rated for at least 30 amps in its
> > place. I put together a drawing showing how it should be wired.
> >
> > Michael Riter
> > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > mike at traildesign.com
> > 678-410-8021
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:10 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The attachment came through for me.  The link is at the very bottom of
> > the
> > > message.
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > sorry the attachment did not go?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote
> to
> > > rocker switch?
> > > >
> > > > I would remove the remote system, then rewire manual switch 1 system
> > > could back feed other and let the magic blue smoke out. mine needed 30
> > amp
> > > fuse I think this attachment is how I wire it  Mark s/v Fairwind 2
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bgarrant <Bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
> > > rocker switch?
> > > >
> > > > I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor lift
> from
> > a
> > > > wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate guidance for
> > doing
> > > > this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m overlooking
> > > something.
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Bob Garrant
> > > > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > > Name: Untitled.png
> > > > Type: image/png
> > > > Size: 26970 bytes
> > > > Desc: not available
> > > > URL: <
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190618/b39bb15c/attachment.png
> > > >
> > > > -------------- next part --------------
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> > >
> >
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> > > >
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> > >
> >
>
-- 
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 18:07:16 2019
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 18:07:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
	rocker switch?
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-VA7H0wptBMB1nmYMR5MnsWX5bvBeBNuv5Q_-5Z74kvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1560867611687-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <214213714.2507113.1560882879098@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1305856395.2504864.1560883655625@mail.yahoo.com>
 <9AEBDCD9-DB07-4A9C-8B8B-197807E6B7C4@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CAAY+qo9HK5B3rU_OB14vLrsPVHgA+aKiOxSnyWh_7NaWK4XpYg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBDrV8nkT6R6hD7C6OR1bNbG2F9Tu-xme-VNg1McbKng=Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAAY+qo-VA7H0wptBMB1nmYMR5MnsWX5bvBeBNuv5Q_-5Z74kvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMBqmKgyP6SgK+Q2prgYQ_Cn36_cv8hLjxxcotX-HZwtiw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mike,

Hopefully not a dumb question, but it looks like you have the relay coils
both going to the same contact on the motor.  Wouldn't they need to go to
opposite contacts to reverse the direction of the motor?

Hank

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:04 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> No worries Bob.
> I was just looking at my drawing and realized you don?t need a 30 amp rated
> switch since the switch is only powering the relay coils. I would recommend
> the best water tight, marine grade switch you can get that?s rated for a
> few amps higher than either of the relays.
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:07 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike,
> > The attachment came through. Very helpful. And just in time because the
> > remote seems like it?s about to ?expire?.
> > Thanks very much,
> > Bob
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:13 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The switch needs to go through isolation relays to prevent back feeding
> > the
> > > system. The relays should already be there. You'll need to remove the
> > > wireless control and wire a SPDT switch rated for at least 30 amps in
> its
> > > place. I put together a drawing showing how it should be wired.
> > >
> > > Michael Riter
> > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > > mike at traildesign.com
> > > 678-410-8021
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:10 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > The attachment came through for me.  The link is at the very bottom
> of
> > > the
> > > > message.
> > > >
> > > > Peter Nyberg
> > > > Coventry, CT
> > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > sorry the attachment did not go?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote
> > to
> > > > rocker switch?
> > > > >
> > > > > I would remove the remote system, then rewire manual switch 1
> system
> > > > could back feed other and let the magic blue smoke out. mine needed
> 30
> > > amp
> > > > fuse I think this attachment is how I wire it  Mark s/v Fairwind 2
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Bgarrant <Bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > > > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am
> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
> > > > rocker switch?
> > > > >
> > > > > I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor lift
> > from
> > > a
> > > > > wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate guidance for
> > > doing
> > > > > this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m overlooking
> > > > something.
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Bob Garrant
> > > > > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > >
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> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190618/984ca6e7/attachment.png
> > > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190618/f5cc30a3/attachment.jpg
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021
>

From mike at traildesign.com  Tue Jun 18 20:47:03 2019
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:47:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
	rocker switch?
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Ha! Yup. I'll correct the drawing. Thanks for catching that Hank.

Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021



On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:07 PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Mike,
>
> Hopefully not a dumb question, but it looks like you have the relay coils
> both going to the same contact on the motor.  Wouldn't they need to go to
> opposite contacts to reverse the direction of the motor?
>
> Hank
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:04 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> > No worries Bob.
> > I was just looking at my drawing and realized you don?t need a 30 amp
> rated
> > switch since the switch is only powering the relay coils. I would
> recommend
> > the best water tight, marine grade switch you can get that?s rated for a
> > few amps higher than either of the relays.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:07 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Mike,
> > > The attachment came through. Very helpful. And just in time because the
> > > remote seems like it?s about to ?expire?.
> > > Thanks very much,
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:13 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The switch needs to go through isolation relays to prevent back
> feeding
> > > the
> > > > system. The relays should already be there. You'll need to remove the
> > > > wireless control and wire a SPDT switch rated for at least 30 amps in
> > its
> > > > place. I put together a drawing showing how it should be wired.
> > > >
> > > > Michael Riter
> > > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > > > mike at traildesign.com
> > > > 678-410-8021
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:10 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The attachment came through for me.  The link is at the very bottom
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > message.
> > > > >
> > > > > Peter Nyberg
> > > > > Coventry, CT
> > > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> > > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > sorry the attachment did not go?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from
> remote
> > > to
> > > > > rocker switch?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would remove the remote system, then rewire manual switch 1
> > system
> > > > > could back feed other and let the magic blue smoke out. mine needed
> > 30
> > > > amp
> > > > > fuse I think this attachment is how I wire it  Mark s/v Fairwind 2
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Bgarrant <Bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > > > > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am
> > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote
> to
> > > > > rocker switch?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor lift
> > > from
> > > > a
> > > > > > wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate guidance
> for
> > > > doing
> > > > > > this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m overlooking
> > > > > something.
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Bob Garrant
> > > > > > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190618/b39bb15c/attachment.png
> > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190618/984ca6e7/attachment.png
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190618/f5cc30a3/attachment.jpg
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > --
> > Michael Riter
> > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > mike at traildesign.com
> > 678-410-8021
> >
>

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 21:21:06 2019
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 21:21:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
	rocker switch?
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Also, you may not need a 30 amp rated switch or fuse where you have it in
your drawing, but you do need to have the power to the motor go through an
appropriate circuit breaker or fuse to protect the motor from burning up
should you have an issue.

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:47 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> Ha! Yup. I'll correct the drawing. Thanks for catching that Hank.
>
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:07 PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Mike,
> >
> > Hopefully not a dumb question, but it looks like you have the relay coils
> > both going to the same contact on the motor.  Wouldn't they need to go to
> > opposite contacts to reverse the direction of the motor?
> >
> > Hank
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:04 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> >
> > > No worries Bob.
> > > I was just looking at my drawing and realized you don?t need a 30 amp
> > rated
> > > switch since the switch is only powering the relay coils. I would
> > recommend
> > > the best water tight, marine grade switch you can get that?s rated for
> a
> > > few amps higher than either of the relays.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:07 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mike,
> > > > The attachment came through. Very helpful. And just in time because
> the
> > > > remote seems like it?s about to ?expire?.
> > > > Thanks very much,
> > > > Bob
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:13 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The switch needs to go through isolation relays to prevent back
> > feeding
> > > > the
> > > > > system. The relays should already be there. You'll need to remove
> the
> > > > > wireless control and wire a SPDT switch rated for at least 30 amps
> in
> > > its
> > > > > place. I put together a drawing showing how it should be wired.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Riter
> > > > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > > > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > > > > mike at traildesign.com
> > > > > 678-410-8021
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:10 PM Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The attachment came through for me.  The link is at the very
> bottom
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > message.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter Nyberg
> > > > > > Coventry, CT
> > > > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> > > > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > sorry the attachment did not go?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from
> > remote
> > > > to
> > > > > > rocker switch?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I would remove the remote system, then rewire manual switch 1
> > > system
> > > > > > could back feed other and let the magic blue smoke out. mine
> needed
> > > 30
> > > > > amp
> > > > > > fuse I think this attachment is how I wire it  Mark s/v Fairwind
> 2
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Bgarrant <Bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am
> > > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote
> > to
> > > > > > rocker switch?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor
> lift
> > > > from
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate guidance
> > for
> > > > > doing
> > > > > > > this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m overlooking
> > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Bob Garrant
> > > > > > > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190618/984ca6e7/attachment.png
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > > > > Desc: not available
> > > > > URL: <
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190618/f5cc30a3/attachment.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Riter
> > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > > mike at traildesign.com
> > > 678-410-8021
> > >
> >
>

From mike at traildesign.com  Wed Jun 19 01:17:51 2019
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 00:17:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from remote to
	rocker switch?
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Ok. Here's the updated version. Hank, double check me on this.

I thought I could get away with a SPDT switch but it has to be a DPDT to
keep the + and - separated. The 30 fuse (or breaker) is just shown for
illustration. An appropriate fuse or breaker should be placed where it
makes the most sense in the circuit.

I might also recommend a momentary type DPDT, sealed, marine rocker switch.
You probably already know this but, accidentally leaving the switch
activated after the cable has reached its limit could wreak havoc on your
lift system or burn up the winch drive.
A quick search on West Marine's site turned up a suitable switch (Part #147913)
 It's only water resistant so maybe a better mouse trap is available
somewhere else.


Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021



On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:21 PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, you may not need a 30 amp rated switch or fuse where you have it in
> your drawing, but you do need to have the power to the motor go through an
> appropriate circuit breaker or fuse to protect the motor from burning up
> should you have an issue.
>
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:47 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> > Ha! Yup. I'll correct the drawing. Thanks for catching that Hank.
> >
> > Michael Riter
> > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > mike at traildesign.com
> > 678-410-8021
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 5:07 PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Mike,
> > >
> > > Hopefully not a dumb question, but it looks like you have the relay
> coils
> > > both going to the same contact on the motor.  Wouldn't they need to go
> to
> > > opposite contacts to reverse the direction of the motor?
> > >
> > > Hank
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 6:04 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > No worries Bob.
> > > > I was just looking at my drawing and realized you don?t need a 30 amp
> > > rated
> > > > switch since the switch is only powering the relay coils. I would
> > > recommend
> > > > the best water tight, marine grade switch you can get that?s rated
> for
> > a
> > > > few amps higher than either of the relays.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:07 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Mike,
> > > > > The attachment came through. Very helpful. And just in time because
> > the
> > > > > remote seems like it?s about to ?expire?.
> > > > > Thanks very much,
> > > > > Bob
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:13 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The switch needs to go through isolation relays to prevent back
> > > feeding
> > > > > the
> > > > > > system. The relays should already be there. You'll need to remove
> > the
> > > > > > wireless control and wire a SPDT switch rated for at least 30
> amps
> > in
> > > > its
> > > > > > place. I put together a drawing showing how it should be wired.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Riter
> > > > > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > > > > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > > > > > mike at traildesign.com
> > > > > > 678-410-8021
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:10 PM Peter Nyberg <
> > peter at sunnybeeches.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The attachment came through for me.  The link is at the very
> > bottom
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > message.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Peter Nyberg
> > > > > > > Coventry, CT
> > > > > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> > > > > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > sorry the attachment did not go?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from
> > > remote
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > rocker switch?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would remove the remote system, then rewire manual switch 1
> > > > system
> > > > > > > could back feed other and let the magic blue smoke out. mine
> > needed
> > > > 30
> > > > > > amp
> > > > > > > fuse I think this attachment is how I wire it  Mark s/v
> Fairwind
> > 2
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: Bgarrant <Bgarrant at gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > > Sent: Tue, Jun 18, 2019 10:20 am
> > > > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Covert Badlands 2500 Winch from
> remote
> > > to
> > > > > > > rocker switch?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I want to convert the Badlands 2500 Winch Motor for my motor
> > lift
> > > > > from
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > wireless remote to a rocker switch. I would appreciate
> guidance
> > > for
> > > > > > doing
> > > > > > > > this. It seems pretty straightforward but maybe I?m
> overlooking
> > > > > > > something.
> > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > Bob Garrant
> > > > > > > > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
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> > > > Michael Riter
> > > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > > > mike at traildesign.com
> > > > 678-410-8021
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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 21:04:21 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 21:04:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My baby might be for sale
Message-ID: <8555F2F1-78C0-4A3C-8783-F1E34ACA3EAE@gmail.com>

Hello Ted,

I?m new to this email list and just saw your post from April. I?m eager to get back into sailing after a 40 year break and I?ve decided the Rhodes 22 is my boat of choice. Did you sell your boat? If not and you do plan to sell her, I would interested. 

Thanks,
George Morgan
336-430-7823
gmorgan.flier at gmail.com
Southport NC

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 02:31:26 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 08:31:26 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My baby might be for sale
In-Reply-To: <8555F2F1-78C0-4A3C-8783-F1E34ACA3EAE@gmail.com>
References: <8555F2F1-78C0-4A3C-8783-F1E34ACA3EAE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiW1wZkaiMhueuC2sANgRtctvM43uSRVZ+TLpXxYzRXXXA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi George,
Great decision to go sailing again. You will love this boat. I?ve had
several Rhodes over the last 45 years and never regretted a minute or
dollar spent on the boat. Check out this morning?s view from the boat.
Choose your view and make it happen.
Chris Geankoplis
S/v ENOSIS
Salarno, Italy


On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 at 03:29, George Morgan <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Ted,
>
>
>
> I?m new to this email list and just saw your post from April. I?m eager to
> get back into sailing after a 40 year break and I?ve decided the Rhodes 22
> is my boat of choice. Did you sell your boat? If not and you do plan to
> sell her, I would interested.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> George Morgan
>
> 336-430-7823
>
> gmorgan.flier at gmail.com
>
> Southport NC
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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 21 20:19:53 2019
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 20:19:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Horseshoe
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiW1wZkaiMhueuC2sANgRtctvM43uSRVZ+TLpXxYzRXXXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8555F2F1-78C0-4A3C-8783-F1E34ACA3EAE@gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiW1wZkaiMhueuC2sANgRtctvM43uSRVZ+TLpXxYzRXXXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACSd1j+1HCrS211ayQXXtUCWXDP_--y8D+iJTYi=R9NXF2Z8UA@mail.gmail.com>

Chris,
      The metal horseshoe you have on your mast that in the picture you
have some lines tied to.  I also have one about a third of the way up the
mast; what is it for?
     Enjoy your sailing adventures in Italy.  I look forward to reading
about them.

Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 2:31 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi George,
> Great decision to go sailing again. You will love this boat. I?ve had
> several Rhodes over the last 45 years and never regretted a minute or
> dollar spent on the boat. Check out this morning?s view from the boat.
> Choose your view and make it happen.
> Chris Geankoplis
> S/v ENOSIS
> Salarno, Italy
>
> URL: <
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190621/72c4b30b/attachment.jpg
> >
>

From mcneelyd at site-solutions.com  Fri Jun 21 20:41:57 2019
From: mcneelyd at site-solutions.com (Dennis)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2019 20:41:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Horseshoe
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1j+1HCrS211ayQXXtUCWXDP_--y8D+iJTYi=R9NXF2Z8UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8555F2F1-78C0-4A3C-8783-F1E34ACA3EAE@gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiW1wZkaiMhueuC2sANgRtctvM43uSRVZ+TLpXxYzRXXXA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACSd1j+1HCrS211ayQXXtUCWXDP_--y8D+iJTYi=R9NXF2Z8UA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <471b1176-9f04-9a78-bb2f-3cf6de60be91@site-solutions.com>

Since you're asking Chris about his setup...

What do you have wrapped around your stays, lower stays, etc Chris? I 
put a black spiral wound plastic strips around the bottom three or four 
feet of my stays (about 3/8" diameter), and they help keep my175 genoa 
from hanging up when tacking. The issue may become less of a problem in 
the near future (I'm changing to a 135 genoa soon), but still... 
inquiring minds want to know!

Thanks much

Dennis McNeely
Magic Moments


On 6/21/2019 8:19 PM, Michael Corley wrote:
> Chris,
>        The metal horseshoe you have on your mast that in the picture you
> have some lines tied to.  I also have one about a third of the way up the
> mast; what is it for?
>       Enjoy your sailing adventures in Italy.  I look forward to reading
> about them.
>
> Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hampton Roads
>
> On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 2:31 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi George,
>> Great decision to go sailing again. You will love this boat. I?ve had
>> several Rhodes over the last 45 years and never regretted a minute or
>> dollar spent on the boat. Check out this morning?s view from the boat.
>> Choose your view and make it happen.
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> S/v ENOSIS
>> Salarno, Italy
>>
>> URL: <
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190621/72c4b30b/attachment.jpg

From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sat Jun 22 06:25:58 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 10:25:58 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Horseshoe
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1j+1HCrS211ayQXXtUCWXDP_--y8D+iJTYi=R9NXF2Z8UA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8555F2F1-78C0-4A3C-8783-F1E34ACA3EAE@gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiW1wZkaiMhueuC2sANgRtctvM43uSRVZ+TLpXxYzRXXXA@mail.gmail.com>,
 <CACSd1j+1HCrS211ayQXXtUCWXDP_--y8D+iJTYi=R9NXF2Z8UA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C106BCB7-561E-4B2C-8D12-68BB58273F01@cowieassociates.com>

The horseshoe can be used for mast raising


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On Jun 21, 2019, at 8:20 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com<mailto:michael.4591 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Chris,
     The metal horseshoe you have on your mast that in the picture you
have some lines tied to.  I also have one about a third of the way up the
mast; what is it for?
    Enjoy your sailing adventures in Italy.  I look forward to reading
about them.

Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 2:31 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com<mailto:chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>>
wrote:

Hi George,
Great decision to go sailing again. You will love this boat. I?ve had
several Rhodes over the last 45 years and never regretted a minute or
dollar spent on the boat. Check out this morning?s view from the boat.
Choose your view and make it happen.
Chris Geankoplis
S/v ENOSIS
Salarno, Italy

URL: <
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20190621/72c4b30b/attachment.jpg



From eandsmoore at hughes.net  Sat Jun 22 07:01:23 2019
From: eandsmoore at hughes.net (Ellyn and Sam Moore)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 07:01:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Horseshoe
In-Reply-To: <471b1176-9f04-9a78-bb2f-3cf6de60be91@site-solutions.com>
References: <8555F2F1-78C0-4A3C-8783-F1E34ACA3EAE@gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiW1wZkaiMhueuC2sANgRtctvM43uSRVZ+TLpXxYzRXXXA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACSd1j+1HCrS211ayQXXtUCWXDP_--y8D+iJTYi=R9NXF2Z8UA@mail.gmail.com>
 <471b1176-9f04-9a78-bb2f-3cf6de60be91@site-solutions.com>
Message-ID: <6A90AA40-0F3D-4AB0-A267-EA2FA2C6BF4A@hughes.net>

I use that ring for my whisker/spinnaker pole.

Sam Moore,  ?77 continental, Rhodester

> On Jun 21, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Dennis <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com> wrote:
> 
> Since you're asking Chris about his setup...
> 
> What do you have wrapped around your stays, lower stays, etc Chris? I put a black spiral wound plastic strips around the bottom three or four feet of my stays (about 3/8" diameter), and they help keep my175 genoa from hanging up when tacking. The issue may become less of a problem in the near future (I'm changing to a 135 genoa soon), but still... inquiring minds want to know!
> 
> Thanks much
> 
> Dennis McNeely
> Magic Moments
> 
> 
> On 6/21/2019 8:19 PM, Michael Corley wrote:
>> Chris,
>>       The metal horseshoe you have on your mast that in the picture you
>> have some lines tied to.  I also have one about a third of the way up the
>> mast; what is it for?
>>      Enjoy your sailing adventures in Italy.  I look forward to reading
>> about them.
>> 
>> Mike Corley
>> S/V Ranger
>> Hampton Roads
>> 
>> 

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 22 11:21:30 2019
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 11:21:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] View from my Rhodes
Message-ID: <CACSd1j+yRLoeu==L0_VuYdmGxgOSDXeXr3c0JJDuy+n1wVLGHQ@mail.gmail.com>

[image: UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_bc7.jpg]

S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads
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From edmc18 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 22 14:14:01 2019
From: edmc18 at gmail.com (Ed McNamara)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:14:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Horseshoe
In-Reply-To: <6A90AA40-0F3D-4AB0-A267-EA2FA2C6BF4A@hughes.net>
References: <8555F2F1-78C0-4A3C-8783-F1E34ACA3EAE@gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiW1wZkaiMhueuC2sANgRtctvM43uSRVZ+TLpXxYzRXXXA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACSd1j+1HCrS211ayQXXtUCWXDP_--y8D+iJTYi=R9NXF2Z8UA@mail.gmail.com>
 <471b1176-9f04-9a78-bb2f-3cf6de60be91@site-solutions.com>
 <6A90AA40-0F3D-4AB0-A267-EA2FA2C6BF4A@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <CAC-_suT8ORR1OLtB7XUW3Jk1cT-Zy8sOCw+CYHq-erzFjorTDg@mail.gmail.com>

The horseshoe ring you refer to is a bale used in conjunction with the mast
lowering/ raising system. I happen to have my boat, Scholar, in the
driveway while I do some cleanup on it so I'm using the system. The photo's
a bit muddied due to the furler laying atop the line that runs from the
bale to a similar bale on the short mast and winch that are the heart of
the system.

Ed McNamara
88/01 "Scholar"

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 7:01 AM Ellyn and Sam Moore <eandsmoore at hughes.net>
wrote:

> I use that ring for my whisker/spinnaker pole.
>
> Sam Moore,  ?77 continental, Rhodester
>
> > On Jun 21, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Dennis <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com> wrote:
> >
> > Since you're asking Chris about his setup...
> >
> > What do you have wrapped around your stays, lower stays, etc Chris? I
> put a black spiral wound plastic strips around the bottom three or four
> feet of my stays (about 3/8" diameter), and they help keep my175 genoa from
> hanging up when tacking. The issue may become less of a problem in the near
> future (I'm changing to a 135 genoa soon), but still... inquiring minds
> want to know!
> >
> > Thanks much
> >
> > Dennis McNeely
> > Magic Moments
> >
> >
> > On 6/21/2019 8:19 PM, Michael Corley wrote:
> >> Chris,
> >>       The metal horseshoe you have on your mast that in the picture you
> >> have some lines tied to.  I also have one about a third of the way up
> the
> >> mast; what is it for?
> >>      Enjoy your sailing adventures in Italy.  I look forward to reading
> >> about them.
> >>
> >> Mike Corley
> >> S/V Ranger
> >> Hampton Roads
> >>
> >>
>
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 22 19:36:51 2019
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 19:36:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] View from my Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1j+yRLoeu==L0_VuYdmGxgOSDXeXr3c0JJDuy+n1wVLGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1j+yRLoeu==L0_VuYdmGxgOSDXeXr3c0JJDuy+n1wVLGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMA+RLjdFxsnXDnkAEFJ77=cQTmAbp20oNAsiJONXbjoSw@mail.gmail.com>

Very nice!

Hank

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 11:21 AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

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>
> S/V Ranger
> Hampton Roads
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From 4cgabriel at gmail.com  Sat Jun 22 21:11:10 2019
From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 21:11:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019
Message-ID: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Friends of General Boats,

I have been struggling in my mind to compose this note for a week,
searching for the right words and right tone to convey the message.  It is
with the deepest sadness that General Boats announces the passing of Stan
Spitzer?s beloved wife Rose Spitzer.

Rose was born June 1, 1922.  Stan and Rose married June 4, 1949 and
celebrated their 70th Anniversary and her 97th Birthday earlier this month.
Stan conveyed that she kissed him sweetly each night and it is unfathomable
that she is not sitting beside him now.  The family has not
publicly announced any arrangements.

Stan urges me with the strongest admonition that he does not want to
receive phone calls, emails, letters, or cards from anyone. Anyone. He says
he would feel obligated to respond to you and cannot bear to do so at this
time.  Each person and each family grieves differently, and differently
over time.  Please honor Stan?s wish not to discuss her passing with him at
this time. Should he be in the mood to discuss Rose with you, he says he
will reach out to you in the future.  Stan notes that with each poignant
mention of her name he is stricken by grief, again and again.  He firmly
requests that you do not contact him at this time to mention your
condolences.  When asked what came next Stan said, ?I have work to do.?

To honor Stan?s wishes perhaps you could silently acknowledge her passing
by the light of the moon.  Rose died peacefully at rest on the afternoon of
June 17, 2019, during the peak of June?s Full Moon.  This moon is known as
the Strawberry Moon here in the US but it is well known throughout the
world as the Rose Moon.  I like to think that with each Full Moon Rose will
be shining brightly and forever on Stan and their children and family, and
of course their extended family of working colleagues and employees at
General Boats, and all their friends who own, or have owned, or will own a
Rhodes 22.

Cecilia

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Sat Jun 22 21:46:36 2019
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 18:46:36 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019
In-Reply-To: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuPoTvp1O-grr9XeRW2H_yanc6Syvp7htK86WkXPG_RhhA@mail.gmail.com>

Cecelia:

Thank you for this.

Shawn

On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 6:11 PM C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear Friends of General Boats,
>
> I have been struggling in my mind to compose this note for a week,
> searching for the right words and right tone to convey the message.  It is
> with the deepest sadness that General Boats announces the passing of Stan
> Spitzer?s beloved wife Rose Spitzer.
>
> Rose was born June 1, 1922.  Stan and Rose married June 4, 1949 and
> celebrated their 70th Anniversary and her 97th Birthday earlier this month.
> Stan conveyed that she kissed him sweetly each night and it is unfathomable
> that she is not sitting beside him now.  The family has not
> publicly announced any arrangements.
>
> Stan urges me with the strongest admonition that he does not want to
> receive phone calls, emails, letters, or cards from anyone. Anyone. He says
> he would feel obligated to respond to you and cannot bear to do so at this
> time.  Each person and each family grieves differently, and differently
> over time.  Please honor Stan?s wish not to discuss her passing with him at
> this time. Should he be in the mood to discuss Rose with you, he says he
> will reach out to you in the future.  Stan notes that with each poignant
> mention of her name he is stricken by grief, again and again.  He firmly
> requests that you do not contact him at this time to mention your
> condolences.  When asked what came next Stan said, ?I have work to do.?
>
> To honor Stan?s wishes perhaps you could silently acknowledge her passing
> by the light of the moon.  Rose died peacefully at rest on the afternoon of
> June 17, 2019, during the peak of June?s Full Moon.  This moon is known as
> the Strawberry Moon here in the US but it is well known throughout the
> world as the Rose Moon.  I like to think that with each Full Moon Rose will
> be shining brightly and forever on Stan and their children and family, and
> of course their extended family of working colleagues and employees at
> General Boats, and all their friends who own, or have owned, or will own a
> Rhodes 22.
>
> Cecilia
>

From rodellner at mac.com  Sun Jun 23 15:57:33 2019
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:57:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] View from my Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMA+RLjdFxsnXDnkAEFJ77=cQTmAbp20oNAsiJONXbjoSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1j+yRLoeu==L0_VuYdmGxgOSDXeXr3c0JJDuy+n1wVLGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <09FAC7F7-141F-4AF8-8F8C-5928B3DED6A1@mac.com>

Looking good Ranger!

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 22, 2019, at 6:36 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Very nice!
> 
> Hank
> 
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 11:21 AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
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>> 
>> S/V Ranger
>> Hampton Roads
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From oehecht at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 16:45:11 2019
From: oehecht at gmail.com (ohecht)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 13:45:11 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Compression Repair and Addition of Compression
	Post
In-Reply-To: <9ffb85a40902042149o45614e39y7433d05d7f230ecd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9ffb85a40902042149o45614e39y7433d05d7f230ecd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1561322711450-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hello. Sorry to revive an old thread, but does anyone have an archived
version of the website referenced in the original message?  I?m not
surprised it?s no longer active (no lick with the internet wayback machine
either) but would love to see the pictures and details on this type of
repair as I work on solving a similar problem. Thanks. 



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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 18:57:20 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 16:57:20 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
Message-ID: <29210897-A014-400E-A66F-0612174A7B4B@gmail.com>

Is the trailer still available? If so, what brand is it and what shape is it in? Where is it located...I would have to come from Wilmington NC to pick it up. If possible, maybe some photos to gmorgan.flier at gmail.com

Thanks,
George Morgan

From stan at generalboats.com  Sun Jun 23 22:01:30 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:01:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
In-Reply-To: <29210897-A014-400E-A66F-0612174A7B4B@gmail.com>
References: <29210897-A014-400E-A66F-0612174A7B4B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <63e5359e-d35e-4546-b01f-a6b01bbbfc63@generalboats.com>


George, you are ahead of me.? You ask is THE trailer still available.? I 
do not know which trailer you are referring to?? I think I had asked you 
what price category you wanted to be in and I think I even emailed you 
the Pricing page of the usedrhohes.com web site to look at the trailer 
section?

We have had trailers made for us by Trailmaster and Triad and 
occasionally a boat comes in on some brand we know not.? Any trailer we 
talk about is at the plant unless you are opting for a new one built to 
order.

We will need lots of guidance

On 6/23/19 6:57 PM, George Morgan wrote:
> Is the trailer still available? If so, what brand is it and what shape is it in? Where is it located...I would have to come from Wilmington NC to pick it up. If possible, maybe some photos to gmorgan.flier at gmail.com
>
> Thanks,
> George Morgan
>


From stan at generalboats.com  Sun Jun 23 22:07:07 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 22:07:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
In-Reply-To: <63e5359e-d35e-4546-b01f-a6b01bbbfc63@generalboats.com>
References: <29210897-A014-400E-A66F-0612174A7B4B@gmail.com>
 <63e5359e-d35e-4546-b01f-a6b01bbbfc63@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <ae833ab9-94b8-3bb6-c0f0-c5e32f2af9de@generalboats.com>


Sorry George,? I thought your email was to me as a follow up to your 
Sat. plant visit.? Delete it.

On 6/23/19 10:01 PM, stan wrote:
>
> George, you are ahead of me.? You ask is THE trailer still available.? 
> I do not know which trailer you are referring to?? I think I had asked 
> you what price category you wanted to be in and I think I even emailed 
> you the Pricing page of the usedrhohes.com web site to look at the 
> trailer section?
>
> We have had trailers made for us by Trailmaster and Triad and 
> occasionally a boat comes in on some brand we know not.? Any trailer 
> we talk about is at the plant unless you are opting for a new one 
> built to order.
>
> We will need lots of guidance
>
> On 6/23/19 6:57 PM, George Morgan wrote:
>> Is the trailer still available? If so, what brand is it and what 
>> shape is it in? Where is it located...I would have to come from 
>> Wilmington NC to pick it up. If possible, maybe some photos to 
>> gmorgan.flier at gmail.com
>>
>> Thanks,
>> George Morgan
>>
>


From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 23:12:41 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 21:12:41 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
Message-ID: <E21B6875-8026-42E3-AB40-409601C02EC7@gmail.com>

Hi Stan,

I sent you an email a little earlier about my search for a trailer. 

I just wanted to post on the Rhodes22 list what a pleasure it was yesterday to meet you, the legend behind the Rhodes 22. Also, thank you so much for the great tour you gave John and me of your plant. 

I?m very excited about the prospect of having my own Rhodes 22 one of these days. 

George Morgan

From dunaske at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 24 13:09:13 2019
From: dunaske at hotmail.com (Bill1972)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:09:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to buy a Rhodes 22.
Message-ID: <1561396153833-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I?m in the market for a Rhodes 22.  Please contact me here if you have one
for sale.




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From stan at generalboats.com  Mon Jun 24 13:32:47 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 13:32:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to buy a Rhodes 22.
In-Reply-To: <1561396153833-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561396153833-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <f85197ff-5929-4052-2b66-fa38fde41b9e@generalboats.com>


Bill,

Because we can do anything Rhodes, you have to guide us down the 
appropriate path.

For starters what is your budgeting range you want to stay in. Are you 
going to need a trailer.? Timing; new can tale two months. At the other 
end a project boat can be picked up today, Where do you sail?

 ?Attached is the handout from the Annapolis show for some background 
color re General Boats. Also one sailing in Australia.

Help us help you in what we of course feel is a good choice.

stan

On 6/24/19 1:09 PM, Bill1972 wrote:
> I?m in the market for a Rhodes 22.  Please contact me here if you have one
> for sale.
>
>
>
>
> --
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From eandsmoore at hughes.net  Mon Jun 24 13:38:41 2019
From: eandsmoore at hughes.net (Ellyn and Sam Moore)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 13:38:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to buy a Rhodes 22.
In-Reply-To: <1561396153833-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561396153833-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <13A96B4F-F791-4A6F-A847-EE0C29D05C79@hughes.net>

Stan at General Boats is a good place to look.

Sam Moore, ?77 Rhodes Continental


> On Jun 24, 2019, at 1:09 PM, Bill1972 <dunaske at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I?m in the market for a Rhodes 22.  Please contact me here if you have one
> for sale.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 14:16:17 2019
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 14:16:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuPoTvp1O-grr9XeRW2H_yanc6Syvp7htK86WkXPG_RhhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CACSd1j+ERKwXk7wiY3Mp3egB7DDDbKaY=pimUDf5-Yq5bfAO1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, thank you.


On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 9:46 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Cecelia:
>
> Thank you for this.
>
> Shawn
>
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 6:11 PM C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear Friends of General Boats,
> >
> > I have been struggling in my mind to compose this note for a week,
> > searching for the right words and right tone to convey the message.  It
> is
> > with the deepest sadness that General Boats announces the passing of Stan
> > Spitzer?s beloved wife Rose Spitzer.
> >
> > Rose was born June 1, 1922.  Stan and Rose married June 4, 1949 and
> > celebrated their 70th Anniversary and her 97th Birthday earlier this
> month.
> > Stan conveyed that she kissed him sweetly each night and it is
> unfathomable
> > that she is not sitting beside him now.  The family has not
> > publicly announced any arrangements.
> >
> > Stan urges me with the strongest admonition that he does not want to
> > receive phone calls, emails, letters, or cards from anyone. Anyone. He
> says
> > he would feel obligated to respond to you and cannot bear to do so at
> this
> > time.  Each person and each family grieves differently, and differently
> > over time.  Please honor Stan?s wish not to discuss her passing with him
> at
> > this time. Should he be in the mood to discuss Rose with you, he says he
> > will reach out to you in the future.  Stan notes that with each poignant
> > mention of her name he is stricken by grief, again and again.  He firmly
> > requests that you do not contact him at this time to mention your
> > condolences.  When asked what came next Stan said, ?I have work to do.?
> >
> > To honor Stan?s wishes perhaps you could silently acknowledge her passing
> > by the light of the moon.  Rose died peacefully at rest on the afternoon
> of
> > June 17, 2019, during the peak of June?s Full Moon.  This moon is known
> as
> > the Strawberry Moon here in the US but it is well known throughout the
> > world as the Rose Moon.  I like to think that with each Full Moon Rose
> will
> > be shining brightly and forever on Stan and their children and family,
> and
> > of course their extended family of working colleagues and employees at
> > General Boats, and all their friends who own, or have owned, or will own
> a
> > Rhodes 22.
> >
> > Cecilia
> >
>

From dunaske at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 24 15:00:15 2019
From: dunaske at hotmail.com (Bill1972)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:00:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to buy a Rhodes 22.
In-Reply-To: <f85197ff-5929-4052-2b66-fa38fde41b9e@generalboats.com>
References: <1561396153833-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <f85197ff-5929-4052-2b66-fa38fde41b9e@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <1561402815003-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hello Stan,

  I live in Fort Lauderdale.  I will need a trailer.  My budget is dependent
on how much work I?ll have to do to the boat. For a boat that is mostly
ready to sail my budget is $12,000 - less if I need to do some work (which I
don?t mind).  My primary purpose for the boat is 2-14 day coastal cruises. A
nice galley is important as my wife loves cooking on board.  I believe a
Rhodes 22 is perfect for our mission.



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From dunaske at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 24 15:27:26 2019
From: dunaske at hotmail.com (Bill1972)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:27:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Floor Board Removal and Repair
In-Reply-To: <CAJCVun2wWhcwZ+2TKHGTed41tv8OL0h8tz=UrymhM8LZ2enAjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BL0PR05MB53965042151CDFB2F5E51AA4C12B0@BL0PR05MB5396.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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 <1555350137260-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <BF1021BC-230F-4FA4-94AC-0E591A00116D@sunnybeeches.com>
 <a002f89b-8e2c-1fc4-aa78-f3693fb42524@rhodes22.com>
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Message-ID: <1561404446057-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

DITTO - I would also love to know which years or hull numbers were built by
contractors.  I greatly prefer a GB built boat.



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From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 16:07:23 2019
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (luis.guzman.ve)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:07:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to buy a Rhodes 22.
In-Reply-To: <1561396153833-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5d112d73.1c69fb81.dbc7b.3a06@mx.google.com>

I have one in Bradenton, FLSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------From: Bill1972 <dunaske at hotmail.com> Date: 6/24/19  1:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to buy a Rhodes 22. I?m in the market for a Rhodes 22.? Please contact me here if you have onefor sale.--Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From mategotlowhook at yahoo.com  Mon Jun 24 19:48:13 2019
From: mategotlowhook at yahoo.com (Theodore DeSantis)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 23:48:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
In-Reply-To: <29210897-A014-400E-A66F-0612174A7B4B@gmail.com>
References: <29210897-A014-400E-A66F-0612174A7B4B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <702358223.872094.1561420093392@mail.yahoo.com>

 Hi George, the trailer is a triad, it is in good shape, I just used it to launch my Rhodes for the last time. :-( . I will try to get a few pictures to you, it might take a couple of days, it?s at my brothers house. I am located in Cape May New Jersey.Thank You for inquiring, Ted
    On Sunday, June 23, 2019, 6:57:31 PM EDT, George Morgan <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Is the trailer still available? If so, what brand is it and what shape is it in? Where is it located...I would have to come from Wilmington NC to pick it up. If possible, maybe some photos to gmorgan.flier at gmail.com

Thanks,
George Morgan  

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 19:49:17 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:49:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
Message-ID: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Has had anyone had an R22 on a triad trailer (or similar) shipped on a
flatbed?  I am curious if the boat + trailer would fit on a 22' flatbed. 
There would be some overhang off the front and back of the flatbed.



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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Jun 24 21:22:03 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 21:22:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
In-Reply-To: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>

Well, the boat is 22? long stem to stern, but there?s the outboard, and the rudder, and some of the mast that going to be aft of the stern.  In addition, you?ve got a fair bit of the trailer that?s forward of the bow of the boat.  I?d guess the whole package is around 30?, maybe a bit more.

But, I?m pretty sure the distance from the trailer hitch to the wheels is less than 22?.  So the trailer would fit on a 22? flatbed.  The boat would overhang.  Does that matter?  Maybe for balance.  Most of the boat & trailer weight would be on the wheels of the boat trailer.  Where would these be in relation to the wheels of the flatbed?

Anyway, for reasons beyond my control, my boat and trailer (Triad dual axel) are currently in my driveway.  I could take measurements in the morning if that would be helpful.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Jun 24, 2019, at 7:49 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Has had anyone had an R22 on a triad trailer (or similar) shipped on a
> flatbed?  I am curious if the boat + trailer would fit on a 22' flatbed. 
> There would be some overhang off the front and back of the flatbed.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Mon Jun 24 21:44:58 2019
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 20:44:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
In-Reply-To: <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moRcMGm58O271CaPDzhDE7+HXSCmuehUBqjgRskPtsjQDg@mail.gmail.com>

I would be more concerned about Bridges and the increased hight

On Mon, Jun 24, 2019, 8:22 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Well, the boat is 22? long stem to stern, but there?s the outboard, and
> the rudder, and some of the mast that going to be aft of the stern.  In
> addition, you?ve got a fair bit of the trailer that?s forward of the bow of
> the boat.  I?d guess the whole package is around 30?, maybe a bit more.
>
> But, I?m pretty sure the distance from the trailer hitch to the wheels is
> less than 22?.  So the trailer would fit on a 22? flatbed.  The boat would
> overhang.  Does that matter?  Maybe for balance.  Most of the boat &
> trailer weight would be on the wheels of the boat trailer.  Where would
> these be in relation to the wheels of the flatbed?
>
> Anyway, for reasons beyond my control, my boat and trailer (Triad dual
> axel) are currently in my driveway.  I could take measurements in the
> morning if that would be helpful.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 2019, at 7:49 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Has had anyone had an R22 on a triad trailer (or similar) shipped on a
> > flatbed?  I am curious if the boat + trailer would fit on a 22' flatbed.
> > There would be some overhang off the front and back of the flatbed.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Jun 24 21:51:15 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 18:51:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
In-Reply-To: <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <1561427475044-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Any measurements you could provide would be helpful.  Thanks for offering to
help!  It also would be good to know the max height of the boat on the
trailer as mentioned by Michael in another reply on this thread.  From what
I have seen on other threads, the height can vary depending on whether or
not the mast is on the crutch or not.



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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 24 23:11:19 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 20:11:19 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
In-Reply-To: <1561427475044-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
 <1561427475044-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1561432279866-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

With the trailer (Triad) frame level and the mast in the crutch my bridge
height is around 12?.     You would need to tie the mast to the push pit and
extend the overhang.   Maybe Peter can provide the height of the mast on the
pulpit. 

Based on the titles, the cargo weight would be apps 2 tons dry weight.   The
center of gravity would also be raised.

Good luck.    

Alex




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S/V Lark
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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 07:52:27 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 07:52:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to buy a Rhodes 22.
In-Reply-To: <5d112d73.1c69fb81.dbc7b.3a06@mx.google.com>
References: <5d112d73.1c69fb81.dbc7b.3a06@mx.google.com>
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I have two in palatka Florida 

Bob

> On Jun 24, 2019, at 4:07 PM, luis.guzman.ve <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have one in Bradenton, FLSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> -------- Original message --------From: Bill1972 <dunaske at hotmail.com> Date: 6/24/19  1:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to buy a Rhodes 22. I?m in the market for a Rhodes 22.  Please contact me here if you have onefor sale.--Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From Marc at babineauins.com  Tue Jun 25 08:45:17 2019
From: Marc at babineauins.com (Mrbabs)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 05:45:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019
In-Reply-To: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1561466717389-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

For those of us who struggle with a request to remain silent at such times, I
offer an experience I had with a dear friend who had the same request.  I
argued about the need to acknowledge the event in some capacity or I just
wouldn't feel right.  He simply said "You are thinking about your feelings,
not mine."   Ahhhhhh - light dawns on Marblehead. 



-----
Marc B.
s/v Baby Steps 
Westminster MA
Sailing Narragansett Bay

--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 08:51:50 2019
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 08:51:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019
In-Reply-To: <1561466717389-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1561466717389-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <90BF8BEC-0F7F-41F4-B808-26B418EF66A0@gmail.com>

Well said.  Cecelia?s was a poignant and beautifully crafted message, and it?s hard to resist the urge to console Stan.  Yet we must.

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess
Asheville, NC 
Sailing Lake Keowee, SC

> On Jun 25, 2019, at 8:45 AM, Mrbabs <Marc at babineauins.com> wrote:
> 
> For those of us who struggle with a request to remain silent at such times, I
> offer an experience I had with a dear friend who had the same request.  I
> argued about the need to acknowledge the event in some capacity or I just
> wouldn't feel right.  He simply said "You are thinking about your feelings,
> not mine."   Ahhhhhh - light dawns on Marblehead. 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Marc B.
> s/v Baby Steps 
> Westminster MA
> Sailing Narragansett Bay
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From rodellner at mac.com  Tue Jun 25 09:11:17 2019
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 08:11:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1j+ERKwXk7wiY3Mp3egB7DDDbKaY=pimUDf5-Yq5bfAO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzGxuPoTvp1O-grr9XeRW2H_yanc6Syvp7htK86WkXPG_RhhA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACSd1j+ERKwXk7wiY3Mp3egB7DDDbKaY=pimUDf5-Yq5bfAO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FB0559F-EA69-44ED-A3F9-B911A7EF13CE@mac.com>

Cecilia

Thank you for this information.    Remember her fondly from our visit to GB!

Rod and Mary
WI
> On Jun 24, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, thank you.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 9:46 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Cecelia:
>> 
>> Thank you for this.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 6:11 PM C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Friends of General Boats,
>>> 
>>> I have been struggling in my mind to compose this note for a week,
>>> searching for the right words and right tone to convey the message.  It
>> is
>>> with the deepest sadness that General Boats announces the passing of Stan
>>> Spitzer?s beloved wife Rose Spitzer.
>>> 
>>> Rose was born June 1, 1922.  Stan and Rose married June 4, 1949 and
>>> celebrated their 70th Anniversary and her 97th Birthday earlier this
>> month.
>>> Stan conveyed that she kissed him sweetly each night and it is
>> unfathomable
>>> that she is not sitting beside him now.  The family has not
>>> publicly announced any arrangements.
>>> 
>>> Stan urges me with the strongest admonition that he does not want to
>>> receive phone calls, emails, letters, or cards from anyone. Anyone. He
>> says
>>> he would feel obligated to respond to you and cannot bear to do so at
>> this
>>> time.  Each person and each family grieves differently, and differently
>>> over time.  Please honor Stan?s wish not to discuss her passing with him
>> at
>>> this time. Should he be in the mood to discuss Rose with you, he says he
>>> will reach out to you in the future.  Stan notes that with each poignant
>>> mention of her name he is stricken by grief, again and again.  He firmly
>>> requests that you do not contact him at this time to mention your
>>> condolences.  When asked what came next Stan said, ?I have work to do.?
>>> 
>>> To honor Stan?s wishes perhaps you could silently acknowledge her passing
>>> by the light of the moon.  Rose died peacefully at rest on the afternoon
>> of
>>> June 17, 2019, during the peak of June?s Full Moon.  This moon is known
>> as
>>> the Strawberry Moon here in the US but it is well known throughout the
>>> world as the Rose Moon.  I like to think that with each Full Moon Rose
>> will
>>> be shining brightly and forever on Stan and their children and family,
>> and
>>> of course their extended family of working colleagues and employees at
>>> General Boats, and all their friends who own, or have owned, or will own
>> a
>>> Rhodes 22.
>>> 
>>> Cecilia
>>> 
>> 



From wkhalligan at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 10:12:51 2019
From: wkhalligan at gmail.com (Kevin Halligan)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:12:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019
In-Reply-To: <4FB0559F-EA69-44ED-A3F9-B911A7EF13CE@mac.com>
References: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzGxuPoTvp1O-grr9XeRW2H_yanc6Syvp7htK86WkXPG_RhhA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACSd1j+ERKwXk7wiY3Mp3egB7DDDbKaY=pimUDf5-Yq5bfAO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <4FB0559F-EA69-44ED-A3F9-B911A7EF13CE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAF6m4BLPTDLgp4=faE=VqEvyTgdGDLWjJ_xrU+yBkQO2KAmqNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Cecilia

My life has been enriched by knowing Stan and Rose through my association
with General Boats. I have had the good fortune of visiting the plant on
several occasions and have always come away feeling better than when I
arrived. My thoughts are with Stan and his family as they grieve the loss
of Rose.

Kevin Halligan
Powhatan Virginia
Former Rhodes Owner

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 9:11 AM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Cecilia
>
> Thank you for this information.    Remember her fondly from our visit to
> GB!
>
> Rod and Mary
> WI
> > On Jun 24, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, thank you.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 9:46 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Cecelia:
> >>
> >> Thank you for this.
> >>
> >> Shawn
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 6:11 PM C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear Friends of General Boats,
> >>>
> >>> I have been struggling in my mind to compose this note for a week,
> >>> searching for the right words and right tone to convey the message.  It
> >> is
> >>> with the deepest sadness that General Boats announces the passing of
> Stan
> >>> Spitzer?s beloved wife Rose Spitzer.
> >>>
> >>> Rose was born June 1, 1922.  Stan and Rose married June 4, 1949 and
> >>> celebrated their 70th Anniversary and her 97th Birthday earlier this
> >> month.
> >>> Stan conveyed that she kissed him sweetly each night and it is
> >> unfathomable
> >>> that she is not sitting beside him now.  The family has not
> >>> publicly announced any arrangements.
> >>>
> >>> Stan urges me with the strongest admonition that he does not want to
> >>> receive phone calls, emails, letters, or cards from anyone. Anyone. He
> >> says
> >>> he would feel obligated to respond to you and cannot bear to do so at
> >> this
> >>> time.  Each person and each family grieves differently, and differently
> >>> over time.  Please honor Stan?s wish not to discuss her passing with
> him
> >> at
> >>> this time. Should he be in the mood to discuss Rose with you, he says
> he
> >>> will reach out to you in the future.  Stan notes that with each
> poignant
> >>> mention of her name he is stricken by grief, again and again.  He
> firmly
> >>> requests that you do not contact him at this time to mention your
> >>> condolences.  When asked what came next Stan said, ?I have work to do.?
> >>>
> >>> To honor Stan?s wishes perhaps you could silently acknowledge her
> passing
> >>> by the light of the moon.  Rose died peacefully at rest on the
> afternoon
> >> of
> >>> June 17, 2019, during the peak of June?s Full Moon.  This moon is known
> >> as
> >>> the Strawberry Moon here in the US but it is well known throughout the
> >>> world as the Rose Moon.  I like to think that with each Full Moon Rose
> >> will
> >>> be shining brightly and forever on Stan and their children and family,
> >> and
> >>> of course their extended family of working colleagues and employees at
> >>> General Boats, and all their friends who own, or have owned, or will
> own
> >> a
> >>> Rhodes 22.
> >>>
> >>> Cecilia
> >>>
> >>
>
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Jun 25 10:41:25 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:41:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
In-Reply-To: <1561427475044-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
 <1561427475044-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <22389E85-1070-40C5-A789-8BD4C191BEAD@sunnybeeches.com>

Jesse,

My trailer is a 2016 Triad dual axle.  All of the following measurements are, of course, approximate.

The distance from the trailer's hitch to the stern of the boat is about 25?.
My outboard extends about 2 1/2? from the stern.
If the rudder is pulled up, it sticks out a bit over 4? from the stern, but I wouldn?t think you would need to travel with it up.

From the hitch to just behind the trailer?s rear tires is 18?.

As for height, without the mast crutch, the highest thing on the boat is the bow pulpit.  With the trailer jack as short as it can be made to go, the highest point of my bow pulpit is 8 1/2? from the ground.  Total height would depend a bit on the orientation of the mast.

If you need anything else, let me know.

?Peter


> On Jun 24, 2019, at 9:51 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Any measurements you could provide would be helpful.  Thanks for offering to
> help!  It also would be good to know the max height of the boat on the
> trailer as mentioned by Michael in another reply on this thread.  From what
> I have seen on other threads, the height can vary depending on whether or
> not the mast is on the crutch or not.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From daysails at aol.com  Tue Jun 25 11:39:44 2019
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 15:39:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019
In-Reply-To: <4FB0559F-EA69-44ED-A3F9-B911A7EF13CE@mac.com>
References: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzGxuPoTvp1O-grr9XeRW2H_yanc6Syvp7htK86WkXPG_RhhA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACSd1j+ERKwXk7wiY3Mp3egB7DDDbKaY=pimUDf5-Yq5bfAO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <4FB0559F-EA69-44ED-A3F9-B911A7EF13CE@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1500528188.1091645.1561477184941@mail.yahoo.com>

Beautifully written Cecelia.? Joe Riley Athens GA


-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
To: Email List Rhodes 22 Rhodes 22 Rhodes List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2019 9:11 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019

Cecilia

Thank you for this information.? ? Remember her fondly from our visit to GB!

Rod and Mary
WI
> On Jun 24, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, thank you.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 9:46 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Cecelia:
>> 
>> Thank you for this.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 6:11 PM C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Friends of General Boats,
>>> 
>>> I have been struggling in my mind to compose this note for a week,
>>> searching for the right words and right tone to convey the message.? It
>> is
>>> with the deepest sadness that General Boats announces the passing of Stan
>>> Spitzer?s beloved wife Rose Spitzer.
>>> 
>>> Rose was born June 1, 1922.? Stan and Rose married June 4, 1949 and
>>> celebrated their 70th Anniversary and her 97th Birthday earlier this
>> month.
>>> Stan conveyed that she kissed him sweetly each night and it is
>> unfathomable
>>> that she is not sitting beside him now.? The family has not
>>> publicly announced any arrangements.
>>> 
>>> Stan urges me with the strongest admonition that he does not want to
>>> receive phone calls, emails, letters, or cards from anyone. Anyone. He
>> says
>>> he would feel obligated to respond to you and cannot bear to do so at
>> this
>>> time.? Each person and each family grieves differently, and differently
>>> over time.? Please honor Stan?s wish not to discuss her passing with him
>> at
>>> this time. Should he be in the mood to discuss Rose with you, he says he
>>> will reach out to you in the future.? Stan notes that with each poignant
>>> mention of her name he is stricken by grief, again and again.? He firmly
>>> requests that you do not contact him at this time to mention your
>>> condolences.? When asked what came next Stan said, ?I have work to do.?
>>> 
>>> To honor Stan?s wishes perhaps you could silently acknowledge her passing
>>> by the light of the moon.? Rose died peacefully at rest on the afternoon
>> of
>>> June 17, 2019, during the peak of June?s Full Moon.? This moon is known
>> as
>>> the Strawberry Moon here in the US but it is well known throughout the
>>> world as the Rose Moon.? I like to think that with each Full Moon Rose
>> will
>>> be shining brightly and forever on Stan and their children and family,
>> and
>>> of course their extended family of working colleagues and employees at
>>> General Boats, and all their friends who own, or have owned, or will own
>> a
>>> Rhodes 22.
>>> 
>>> Cecilia
>>> 
>> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 15:21:50 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 21:21:50 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
In-Reply-To: <22389E85-1070-40C5-A789-8BD4C191BEAD@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
 <1561427475044-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <22389E85-1070-40C5-A789-8BD4C191BEAD@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiU9PjQGT2fJUAKqiciUa2p+diPPUy8tkkj0Yi7p30kEKQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 16:41, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Jesse,
>
>
>
> My trailer is a 2016 Triad dual axle.  All of the following measurements
> are, of course, approximate.
>
>
>
> The distance from the trailer's hitch to the stern of the boat is about
> 25?.
>
> My outboard extends about 2 1/2? from the stern.
>
> If the rudder is pulled up, it sticks out a bit over 4? from the stern,
> but I wouldn?t think you would need to travel with it up.
>
>
>
> From the hitch to just behind the trailer?s rear tires is 18?.
>
>
>
> As for height, without the mast crutch, the highest thing on the boat is
> the bow pulpit.  With the trailer jack as short as it can be made to go,
> the highest point of my bow pulpit is 8 1/2? from the ground.  Total height
> would depend a bit on the orientation of the mast.
>
>
>
> If you need anything else, let me know.
>
>
>
> ?Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 2019, at 9:51 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Any measurements you could provide would be helpful.  Thanks for
> offering to
>
> > help!  It also would be good to know the max height of the boat on the
>
> > trailer as mentioned by Michael in another reply on this thread.  From
> what
>
> > I have seen on other threads, the height can vary depending on whether or
>
> > not the mast is on the crutch or not.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --
>
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>
>
>

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue Jun 25 15:25:02 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 19:25:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019
In-Reply-To: <1500528188.1091645.1561477184941@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAEwOW6TuPXRi0-bkv=gnPBrZ6gJMTztUA+6kGHQD8g4fhcwWWA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMzGxuPoTvp1O-grr9XeRW2H_yanc6Syvp7htK86WkXPG_RhhA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACSd1j+ERKwXk7wiY3Mp3egB7DDDbKaY=pimUDf5-Yq5bfAO1Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <4FB0559F-EA69-44ED-A3F9-B911A7EF13CE@mac.com>
 <1500528188.1091645.1561477184941@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <294938953.1166531.1561490702280@mail.yahoo.com>

will have our flag 1/2 mast in remembrance of rose?


-----Original Message-----
From: Sling via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
To: rodellner <rodellner at mac.com>; rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2019 11:39 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019

Beautifully written Cecelia.? Joe Riley Athens GA


-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
To: Email List Rhodes 22 Rhodes 22 Rhodes List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Jun 25, 2019 9:11 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rose Spitzer 1922 - 2019

Cecilia

Thank you for this information.? ? Remember her fondly from our visit to GB!

Rod and Mary
WI
> On Jun 24, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes, thank you.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019 at 9:46 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Cecelia:
>> 
>> Thank you for this.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 6:11 PM C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Friends of General Boats,
>>> 
>>> I have been struggling in my mind to compose this note for a week,
>>> searching for the right words and right tone to convey the message.? It
>> is
>>> with the deepest sadness that General Boats announces the passing of Stan
>>> Spitzer?s beloved wife Rose Spitzer.
>>> 
>>> Rose was born June 1, 1922.? Stan and Rose married June 4, 1949 and
>>> celebrated their 70th Anniversary and her 97th Birthday earlier this
>> month.
>>> Stan conveyed that she kissed him sweetly each night and it is
>> unfathomable
>>> that she is not sitting beside him now.? The family has not
>>> publicly announced any arrangements.
>>> 
>>> Stan urges me with the strongest admonition that he does not want to
>>> receive phone calls, emails, letters, or cards from anyone. Anyone. He
>> says
>>> he would feel obligated to respond to you and cannot bear to do so at
>> this
>>> time.? Each person and each family grieves differently, and differently
>>> over time.? Please honor Stan?s wish not to discuss her passing with him
>> at
>>> this time. Should he be in the mood to discuss Rose with you, he says he
>>> will reach out to you in the future.? Stan notes that with each poignant
>>> mention of her name he is stricken by grief, again and again.? He firmly
>>> requests that you do not contact him at this time to mention your
>>> condolences.? When asked what came next Stan said, ?I have work to do.?
>>> 
>>> To honor Stan?s wishes perhaps you could silently acknowledge her passing
>>> by the light of the moon.? Rose died peacefully at rest on the afternoon
>> of
>>> June 17, 2019, during the peak of June?s Full Moon.? This moon is known
>> as
>>> the Strawberry Moon here in the US but it is well known throughout the
>>> world as the Rose Moon.? I like to think that with each Full Moon Rose
>> will
>>> be shining brightly and forever on Stan and their children and family,
>> and
>>> of course their extended family of working colleagues and employees at
>>> General Boats, and all their friends who own, or have owned, or will own
>> a
>>> Rhodes 22.
>>> 
>>> Cecilia
>>> 
>> 

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 15:34:25 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 21:34:25 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiU9PjQGT2fJUAKqiciUa2p+diPPUy8tkkj0Yi7p30kEKQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
 <1561427475044-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <22389E85-1070-40C5-A789-8BD4C191BEAD@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CADNTwiU9PjQGT2fJUAKqiciUa2p+diPPUy8tkkj0Yi7p30kEKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXU_4LRPDSCi7D4z8cf3d4orXk=2UEBxO+ADzqV-25VgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Here is a photo that might help. Taken outside of Barcelona last year. Got
to the water no problem. You should be able to extrapolate the bed length.
The 2nd photo is how the Italian?s do It without a trailer. Not sure of the
pic order when it gets posted
Chris Geankoplis


On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 21:21, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 16:41, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
>> Jesse,
>>
>>
>>
>> My trailer is a 2016 Triad dual axle.  All of the following measurements
>> are, of course, approximate.
>>
>>
>>
>> The distance from the trailer's hitch to the stern of the boat is about
>> 25?.
>>
>> My outboard extends about 2 1/2? from the stern.
>>
>> If the rudder is pulled up, it sticks out a bit over 4? from the stern,
>> but I wouldn?t think you would need to travel with it up.
>>
>>
>>
>> From the hitch to just behind the trailer?s rear tires is 18?.
>>
>>
>>
>> As for height, without the mast crutch, the highest thing on the boat is
>> the bow pulpit.  With the trailer jack as short as it can be made to go,
>> the highest point of my bow pulpit is 8 1/2? from the ground.  Total height
>> would depend a bit on the orientation of the mast.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you need anything else, let me know.
>>
>>
>>
>> ?Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Jun 24, 2019, at 9:51 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> > Any measurements you could provide would be helpful.  Thanks for
>> offering to
>>
>> > help!  It also would be good to know the max height of the boat on the
>>
>> > trailer as mentioned by Michael in another reply on this thread.  From
>> what
>>
>> > I have seen on other threads, the height can vary depending on whether
>> or
>>
>> > not the mast is on the crutch or not.
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > --
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>> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 15:59:20 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 21:59:20 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] View from my Rhodes
In-Reply-To: <09FAC7F7-141F-4AF8-8F8C-5928B3DED6A1@mac.com>
References: <CACSd1j+yRLoeu==L0_VuYdmGxgOSDXeXr3c0JJDuy+n1wVLGHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADQNfMA+RLjdFxsnXDnkAEFJ77=cQTmAbp20oNAsiJONXbjoSw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiWxV0oQqgJ=wmOr-8dLd+qT10hqskGN7WRfpD1A8JXz4g@mail.gmail.com>

Lovely.
Chris G
ENOSIS

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 21:57, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Looking good Ranger!
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 2019, at 6:36 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Very nice!
>
> >
>
> > Hank
>
> >
>
> > On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 11:21 AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>
> > wrote:
>
> >
>
> >> [image: UNADJUSTEDNONRAW_thumb_bc7.jpg]
>
> >>
>
> >> S/V Ranger
>
> >> Hampton Roads
>
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> >>
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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 19:03:37 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 16:03:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
In-Reply-To: <702358223.872094.1561420093392@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <29210897-A014-400E-A66F-0612174A7B4B@gmail.com>
 <702358223.872094.1561420093392@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1561503817009-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi Ted,

If you can, send the info and photos of the trailer to my
email.....gmorgan.flier at gmail.com

I?m seriously considering a Rhodes which does not come with a trailer. It
would be great if your trailer worked out for me. 

Thanks,
George



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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 19:11:05 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 16:11:05 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
In-Reply-To: <1561503817009-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <29210897-A014-400E-A66F-0612174A7B4B@gmail.com>
 <702358223.872094.1561420093392@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1561503817009-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1561504265911-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hello again Ted,

If you could email me your phone number at gmorgan.flier at gmail.com, I?d love
to chat with you about your trailer. 

Thanks,
George



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 19:13:45 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 16:13:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXU_4LRPDSCi7D4z8cf3d4orXk=2UEBxO+ADzqV-25VgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
 <1561427475044-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <22389E85-1070-40C5-A789-8BD4C191BEAD@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CADNTwiU9PjQGT2fJUAKqiciUa2p+diPPUy8tkkj0Yi7p30kEKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiXU_4LRPDSCi7D4z8cf3d4orXk=2UEBxO+ADzqV-25VgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1561504425252-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks a lot to Alex, Peter, and Chris!  That information is just what I
needed.  Seeing the knowledge and helpfulness among the Rhodes owners on the
list is one of the appealing aspects of the R22.  I look forward to being an
owner soon!



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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Tue Jun 25 19:21:45 2019
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 23:21:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
In-Reply-To: <1561504425252-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
 <1561427475044-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <22389E85-1070-40C5-A789-8BD4C191BEAD@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CADNTwiU9PjQGT2fJUAKqiciUa2p+diPPUy8tkkj0Yi7p30kEKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiXU_4LRPDSCi7D4z8cf3d4orXk=2UEBxO+ADzqV-25VgQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <1561504425252-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CA088C29-DF87-4359-8FC8-0E139F0D3DC7@cowieassociates.com>

Richard also provides boat transport


Please note our new office address and phone number

Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]   [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]

700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]

[cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
Please consider the environment before printing this email.


On Jun 25, 2019, at 7:13 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks a lot to Alex, Peter, and Chris!  That information is just what I
needed.  Seeing the knowledge and helpfulness among the Rhodes owners on the
list is one of the appealing aspects of the R22.  I look forward to being an
owner soon!



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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 20:12:28 2019
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 20:12:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] shipping R22 loaded on a trailer, on a flatbed
In-Reply-To: <CA088C29-DF87-4359-8FC8-0E139F0D3DC7@cowieassociates.com>
References: <1561420157597-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <2142CBC3-072E-4503-8340-67ED1F00FE11@sunnybeeches.com>
 <1561427475044-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <22389E85-1070-40C5-A789-8BD4C191BEAD@sunnybeeches.com>
 <CADNTwiU9PjQGT2fJUAKqiciUa2p+diPPUy8tkkj0Yi7p30kEKQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiXU_4LRPDSCi7D4z8cf3d4orXk=2UEBxO+ADzqV-25VgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1561504425252-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CA088C29-DF87-4359-8FC8-0E139F0D3DC7@cowieassociates.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9Ya==ko6XJJJOVRXVhCv2Ldew9ug9i6s=FBB0ZCemsbMw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Chris...yes I can do transport either on your own trailer or my
trailer. Call me if you need any info.


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180


On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 7:21 PM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
wrote:

> Richard also provides boat transport
>
>
> Please note our new office address and phone number
>
> Christopher P. Cowie  [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>  [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
>
> 700 N Fairfax Street<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Suite 304<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> Alexandria, Virginia 22314<x-apple-data-detectors://3/0>
> 703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470>
> mobile
> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D24014.7A2D04E0]
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
>
>
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 7:13 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks a lot to Alex, Peter, and Chris!  That information is just what I
> needed.  Seeing the knowledge and helpfulness among the Rhodes owners on
> the
> list is one of the appealing aspects of the R22.  I look forward to being
> an
> owner soon!
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From mategotlowhook at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 25 20:46:10 2019
From: mategotlowhook at yahoo.com (Theodore DeSantis)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 00:46:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
In-Reply-To: <1561503817009-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <29210897-A014-400E-A66F-0612174A7B4B@gmail.com>
 <702358223.872094.1561420093392@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1561503817009-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2076377655.12464.1561509970500@mail.yahoo.com>

 I will try tomorrow to get a couple of pictures but if not it will have to weight until this weekend, sorry but that's the best I can do.Ted Ps My phone number is 609-425-2090 between 11 and 11:30am would be a good time to reach me.
    On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 07:03:42 PM EDT, Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hi Ted,

If you can, send the info and photos of the trailer to my
email.....gmorgan.flier at gmail.com

I?m seriously considering a Rhodes which does not come with a trailer. It
would be great if your trailer worked out for me. 

Thanks,
George



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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 21:02:10 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 18:02:10 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
Message-ID: <2E3804A5-7A6A-465C-AD0A-ED89FFF78C19@gmail.com>

Hello Ted,

I?m new to the list and still stumbling around trying to figure out how to use it. I sent you an email to what I think is your personal email address and it crossed paths with you responding here about a good time to call. 

I?m in the air tomorrow between 11:00am and 1:00pm. Is there another time tomorrow which might be convenient for me to call. 

George

From mategotlowhook at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 25 21:35:06 2019
From: mategotlowhook at yahoo.com (Theodore DeSantis)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 01:35:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] trailer available
In-Reply-To: <2E3804A5-7A6A-465C-AD0A-ED89FFF78C19@gmail.com>
References: <2E3804A5-7A6A-465C-AD0A-ED89FFF78C19@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <904336855.4958.1561512906937@mail.yahoo.com>

 Around 3:30pm would work.
    On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 9:02:25 PM EDT, George Morgan <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hello Ted,

I?m new to the list and still stumbling around trying to figure out how to use it. I sent you an email to what I think is your personal email address and it crossed paths with you responding here about a good time to call. 

I?m in the air tomorrow between 11:00am and 1:00pm. Is there another time tomorrow which might be convenient for me to call. 

George  

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 13:32:32 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 19:32:32 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Horseshoe
In-Reply-To: <CAC-_suT8ORR1OLtB7XUW3Jk1cT-Zy8sOCw+CYHq-erzFjorTDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8555F2F1-78C0-4A3C-8783-F1E34ACA3EAE@gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiW1wZkaiMhueuC2sANgRtctvM43uSRVZ+TLpXxYzRXXXA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACSd1j+1HCrS211ayQXXtUCWXDP_--y8D+iJTYi=R9NXF2Z8UA@mail.gmail.com>
 <471b1176-9f04-9a78-bb2f-3cf6de60be91@site-solutions.com>
 <6A90AA40-0F3D-4AB0-A267-EA2FA2C6BF4A@hughes.net>
 <CAC-_suT8ORR1OLtB7XUW3Jk1cT-Zy8sOCw+CYHq-erzFjorTDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWG3oK3uuN2keVxeOCeZLQwrE07xq9vxYqukrRK9FtWWw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, what Chris C & Ed said about the bale. The lower stays have small
split wire covers and turnbuckle protectors. Just arrived in Calabria (Vibo
Valentia) after a 50 mile motor and motorsail. Miller Time. Or rather
Peroni Time.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 20:14, Ed McNamara <edmc18 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The horseshoe ring you refer to is a bale used in conjunction with the mast
>
> lowering/ raising system. I happen to have my boat, Scholar, in the
>
> driveway while I do some cleanup on it so I'm using the system. The photo's
>
> a bit muddied due to the furler laying atop the line that runs from the
>
> bale to a similar bale on the short mast and winch that are the heart of
>
> the system.
>
>
>
> Ed McNamara
>
> 88/01 "Scholar"
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 22, 2019, 7:01 AM Ellyn and Sam Moore <eandsmoore at hughes.net>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I use that ring for my whisker/spinnaker pole.
>
> >
>
> > Sam Moore,  ?77 continental, Rhodester
>
> >
>
> > > On Jun 21, 2019, at 8:41 PM, Dennis <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
> wrote:
>
> > >
>
> > > Since you're asking Chris about his setup...
>
> > >
>
> > > What do you have wrapped around your stays, lower stays, etc Chris? I
>
> > put a black spiral wound plastic strips around the bottom three or four
>
> > feet of my stays (about 3/8" diameter), and they help keep my175 genoa
> from
>
> > hanging up when tacking. The issue may become less of a problem in the
> near
>
> > future (I'm changing to a 135 genoa soon), but still... inquiring minds
>
> > want to know!
>
> > >
>
> > > Thanks much
>
> > >
>
> > > Dennis McNeely
>
> > > Magic Moments
>
> > >
>
> > >
>
> > > On 6/21/2019 8:19 PM, Michael Corley wrote:
>
> > >> Chris,
>
> > >>       The metal horseshoe you have on your mast that in the picture
> you
>
> > >> have some lines tied to.  I also have one about a third of the way up
>
> > the
>
> > >> mast; what is it for?
>
> > >>      Enjoy your sailing adventures in Italy.  I look forward to
> reading
>
> > >> about them.
>
> > >>
>
> > >> Mike Corley
>
> > >> S/V Ranger
>
> > >> Hampton Roads
>
> > >>
>
> > >>
>
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From dunaske at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 26 15:05:44 2019
From: dunaske at hotmail.com (Bill1972)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:05:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking to buy a Rhodes 22.
In-Reply-To: <C2159140-AE73-4A5B-8E4F-24B347A4DF7C@gmail.com>
References: <1561396153833-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <5d112d73.1c69fb81.dbc7b.3a06@mx.google.com>
 <C2159140-AE73-4A5B-8E4F-24B347A4DF7C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1561575944942-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I sent you an email. 



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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 15:25:44 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:25:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Damaged Fiberglass where Swivel Captains Seat
	Inserts
Message-ID: <1561577144987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I?m seriously considering buying an R22 which has some fiberglass damage on
the port side captains seat mounting area. When the seat is inserted,, it
wobbles around due to the damaged fiberglass. Has anyone else had this
happen and if so, how difficult is it to repair. I will try to attach a
photo. 

Thanks,
George
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/E3290830-6D55-45F7-9ABE-3F6E76993320.jpeg> 



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From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Jun 26 15:40:38 2019
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 19:40:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Damaged Fiberglass where Swivel Captains
	Seat	Inserts
In-Reply-To: <1561577144987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561577144987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4643B3DFFC5E7509AB2C42C980E20@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

George,



Do you know whether the seat base is thru-bolted or are those just sheet metal screws?  It should be thru-bolted with a big backing plate on the underside.  Judging from the picture, my guess is the seat base was just attached with sheet metal screws.



Roger Pihlaja

S/V Dynamic Equilbrium



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10



________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:25:44 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Damaged Fiberglass where Swivel Captains Seat Inserts

I?m seriously considering buying an R22 which has some fiberglass damage on
the port side captains seat mounting area. When the seat is inserted,, it
wobbles around due to the damaged fiberglass. Has anyone else had this
happen and if so, how difficult is it to repair. I will try to attach a
photo.

Thanks,
George
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/E3290830-6D55-45F7-9ABE-3F6E76993320.jpeg>



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From dunaske at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 26 15:44:16 2019
From: dunaske at hotmail.com (Bill1972)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 12:44:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Current GB inventory
Message-ID: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Does anyone know how to see the current GB Rhodes inventory (used, certified,
recycled).  I?ve emailed several times and tried calling ((252) 482-4372 -
it?s no longer in service). Do they have a sales department?



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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed Jun 26 15:58:12 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 19:58:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Current GB inventory
In-Reply-To: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <478657227.309286.1561579092238@mail.yahoo.com>

Stan just lost his wife and is busy. I saw 8 to 10 boats at plant if I see him this week end ill let him know you are looking
Mark S/V Fairwind2


-----Original Message-----
From: Bill1972 <dunaske at hotmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2019 3:44 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Current GB inventory

Does anyone know how to see the current GB Rhodes inventory (used, certified,
recycled).? I?ve emailed several times and tried calling ((252) 482-4372 -
it?s no longer in service). Do they have a sales department?



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From dunaske at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 26 16:03:25 2019
From: dunaske at hotmail.com (Bill1972)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:03:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Current GB inventory
In-Reply-To: <478657227.309286.1561579092238@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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My deepest sympathies. Thank you for letting me know.



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From 4cgabriel at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 16:16:55 2019
From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:16:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Current GB inventory
In-Reply-To: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAEwOW6SdW91kJBv1UWxXYK4WH1gJ89uQM=m=dRnW80wd8OzudA@mail.gmail.com>

There is a Parts Department liasion, me. I can relay your sales requests as
well. Contact me by email if you have any questions.

Cecilia Gabriel


On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 3:44 PM Bill1972 <dunaske at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know how to see the current GB Rhodes inventory (used,
> certified,
> recycled).  I?ve emailed several times and tried calling ((252) 482-4372 -
> it?s no longer in service). Do they have a sales department?
>
>
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From melrothbard at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 26 16:27:50 2019
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 20:27:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Current GB inventory
In-Reply-To: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1396642520.452244.1561580870031@mail.yahoo.com>

Email Stan at Stan at rhodes22.com .? He will get back to you eventually.? He is a little tied up right now as his wife died a week or so ago
Mel Rothbard
Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258. 

    On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 03:44:28 PM EDT, Bill1972 <dunaske at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Does anyone know how to see the current GB Rhodes inventory (used, certified,
recycled).? I?ve emailed several times and tried calling ((252) 482-4372 -
it?s no longer in service). Do they have a sales department?



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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 17:19:16 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:19:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Damaged Fiberglass where Swivel Captains
	Seat	Inserts
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR02MB4643B3DFFC5E7509AB2C42C980E20@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1561577144987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1561583956088-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Roger,

I?m going back to look at the boat the middle of next month...I?ll try to
determine if it has a back plate. Hopefully, the fiberglass can be repaired
and the seat bracket reinstalled with a backplate if it doesn?t have one. 

George



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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Jun 26 17:37:46 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 17:37:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Current GB inventory
In-Reply-To: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <007b01d52c67$65d57800$31806800$@ebsmed.com>

The absolute best way is to just visit the plant.

Bring money if you are serious about owning an R22, lest it go to someone else while you think about it.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Bill1972
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:44 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Current GB inventory

Does anyone know how to see the current GB Rhodes inventory (used, certified, recycled).  I?ve emailed several times and tried calling ((252) 482-4372 - it?s no longer in service). Do they have a sales department?



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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Jun 26 17:41:34 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 17:41:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Damaged Fiberglass where Swivel Captains
	Seat	Inserts
In-Reply-To: <1561577144987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561577144987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <007c01d52c67$ee044ad0$ca0ce070$@ebsmed.com>

George,

If it is priced within your budget and you are relatively handy, simply purchase it.

Learn how to repair the 'glass yourself, unless you can afford bringing it to a shop, and reinforce the space underneath with a good sized piece of wood to distribute the load so that it doesn't happen again.  Don't forget to reinforce the other side as well.

Then, GO SAILING in your new-to-you Rhodes 22!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Gmorganflier
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:26 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Damaged Fiberglass where Swivel Captains Seat Inserts

I?m seriously considering buying an R22 which has some fiberglass damage on the port side captains seat mounting area. When the seat is inserted,, it wobbles around due to the damaged fiberglass. Has anyone else had this happen and if so, how difficult is it to repair. I will try to attach a photo. 

Thanks,
George
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/E3290830-6D55-45F7-9ABE-3F6E76993320.jpeg> 



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From stan at generalboats.com  Wed Jun 26 20:16:14 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 20:16:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Current GB inventory
In-Reply-To: <CAEwOW6SdW91kJBv1UWxXYK4WH1gJ89uQM=m=dRnW80wd8OzudA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAEwOW6SdW91kJBv1UWxXYK4WH1gJ89uQM=m=dRnW80wd8OzudA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f0a221a3-a6f1-a491-7351-b10e813975fa@generalboats.com>

Thanks Cecilia,

For starters I will begin sending copies of the emails relating to 
parts, that I had been forwarding to Charles, to you also so you can get 
a feel of this part of the business.? Your interests has me excited 
since I am beginning to see this as a potential tail wagging the dog 
possibility plus an inroad on something that would please both of us; 
taking some of the wind out of Chris Cowie's Piracy.

You will be amazed. as I, when you begin seeing the scope of parts that 
buyers of Rhodes from private sellers are beginning to turn to us for.? 
Not only Rhodes owners but owners of other make boats.? For instance it 
turns out that Rhodes uses the same color and size rub rail insert that 
comes on their Boston Whalers and we are the only source so they come 
back to us periodically for replacements.? A small item but there are 
turning out to be many: The small vertical IMF main sail batten.? CB 
gasket kits.? It is almost endless.? Plus we keep coming up with better 
parts to use then their current ones like Charles improved outhaul car 
that lasts forever, the new traveler invention and maybe even a kit I am 
thinking of that makes furling in the main sail easier in heavy airs.? I 
would like to set up a parts table at the show to begin learning more 
about the potential of this division.? If there was a $1,200 Pop Top 
enclosure at our table, used, for $695, I bet it would sell in minutes.? 
Today I have already forwarded an owner who wants a water line stripe 
and mast hoist assembly to Charles; plus we have an upgrade to that 
product that I have been too sidetracked to ever get to, although it 
saves time and effort in raising and lowering the mast at very little 
additional cost.

gotta watch the debates.? The business and politics are welcome 
distractions in this Rose haunted empty house that otherwise is so 
painful to live in.? The kids want me to live with them but business is 
my life saver.? Imagine me in a rocker and staring at the world going by 
without me.

/*Per below we have to switch serious mail to using 
stan at generalboats.com.*//*
*//**/


On 6/26/19 4:16 PM, C Gabriel wrote:
> There is a Parts Department liasion, me. I can relay your sales requests as
> well. Contact me by email if you have any questions.

> Cecilia Gabriel
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 3:44 PM Bill1972 <dunaske at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know how to see the current GB Rhodes inventory (used,
>> certified,
>> recycled).  I?ve emailed several times and tried calling ((252) 482-4372 -
>> it?s no longer in service). Do they have a sales department?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>
>


From jayf401 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 08:36:08 2019
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 08:36:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Current GB inventory
In-Reply-To: <1396642520.452244.1561580870031@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1561578256447-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1396642520.452244.1561580870031@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1A94DE10-8349-4BF8-ABBF-8253FD19480F@gmail.com>

Mel, 
Any word on your boat? 

I was trying 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2019, at 4:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Email Stan at Stan at rhodes22.com .  He will get back to you eventually.  He is a little tied up right now as his wife died a week or so ago
> Mel Rothbard
> Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258. 
> 
>    On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 03:44:28 PM EDT, Bill1972 <dunaske at hotmail.com> wrote:  
> 
> Does anyone know how to see the current GB Rhodes inventory (used, certified,
> recycled).  I?ve emailed several times and tried calling ((252) 482-4372 -
> it?s no longer in service). Do they have a sales department?
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/  

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 16:08:35 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 22:08:35 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Prequel
Message-ID: <CADNTwiX+aQ6Vd88AswEpfGRQw=u95R1rbFhwvF6e3ei4c+3pWg@mail.gmail.com>

Attached is (hopefully) the first part of the journal of our trip along the
Italian coast and on over to Greece (hopefully).  I will try to bundle the
days and send them out about every week or two.  It depends on whether I
have the time and the WiFi connections to do the postings at the same
time.  Anyway, I hope you enjoy the journal and sail along with Alice and
me on another grand adventure on our Rhodes.  And to Stan; I am getting
closer to sending you a picture of the Rhodes in Rhodes on a rode in Rhodes
road.  Click on the attachment, or download it.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KIopDLT-lUZmKKLBsHekj0zz97OBZuPH/view?usp=sharing

Vibo Valentia, Calabria, Italy
June 27, 2019
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS I

From morrisix at comcast.net  Thu Jun 27 16:39:08 2019
From: morrisix at comcast.net (Bill)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 13:39:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
Message-ID: <1561667948603-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

How tight do you all set the end cap?  
Mine are currently loose enough to allow the stays to 
move where needed when raising the mast.
Is that ok?  Or do you tighten down?
Thanks, 
Bill ( From Michigan). 
SV No name.
St Clair Shores




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From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Thu Jun 27 17:25:37 2019
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 17:25:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
In-Reply-To: <1561667948603-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561667948603-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <52287.24.140.30.102.1561670737.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

>




If you are talking about the brackets that hold the spreader poles, that
are thru bolted thru  the mast,I tighten them so that they can move enough
to raise the mast. Make sure the bolt has a nylock nut that is
serviceable. There is supposed to be plastic bushings between the bracket
and the mast on both sides.

Jerry Lowe




How tight do you all set the end cap?
> Mine are currently loose enough to allow the stays to
> move where needed when raising the mast.
> Is that ok?  Or do you tighten down?
> Thanks,
> Bill ( From Michigan).
> SV No name.
> St Clair Shores
>
>
>
>
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>



From jschroll at msn.com  Thu Jun 27 17:27:10 2019
From: jschroll at msn.com (Jim Schroll)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 21:27:10 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB5829F09D073ED963061D7E60CAFD0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I am new to this list and would be glad to go to an archived thread if this topic has been covered before.

We have a 1990 Rhodes 22 which was refurbished by General Boats in the winter of 2015 - 2016.  It has developed a crack completely through the transom, located under (and to the side) of the point where the wheel on the engine lift rests when the engine is lowered.  It appears that the pressure of the engine against that wheel, and then the transom, when motoring in forward gear is the cause of the crack.

I suspect that the engine lift was added sometime after the boat was originally built, and that no reinforcing was added behind (inside the lazarette) the point where the wheel rests on the guide track.  I?m looking for any suggestions from anyone who has faced a similar repair.  My thinking is to leave the engine lift frame in place (the crack does not extend to the frame) while removing both the guide strip on the outside and the lift motor and board it sits on inside the lazarette.  After cleaning the inside and outside surfaces, I would lay a couple of pieces of glass on the outside and three or four on the side to provide a more substantial structure (the transom appears to be no more than 1/4 inch thick where the wheel rests).  I might also try to glass in a new board to both add to the reinforcing and to hold the lift motor.

Does this seem like a reasonable plan of attack, or can someone suggest a better way forward?

Jim Schroll

[cid:08CAC407-8CD9-42BD-BAB6-B33BF57EAC7F at fios-router.home]
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 27 21:19:03 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 18:19:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Prequel
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiX+aQ6Vd88AswEpfGRQw=u95R1rbFhwvF6e3ei4c+3pWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiX+aQ6Vd88AswEpfGRQw=u95R1rbFhwvF6e3ei4c+3pWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1561684743147-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Much enjoyed.    I?m short handed and having trouble hiring, so no cruise
this year.     I?m really enjoying yours.    (I do get plenty of after work
or day sails, so don?t pity me too much.)   

Alex



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S/V Lark
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Jun 27 22:46:14 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 22:46:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR07MB5829F09D073ED963061D7E60CAFD0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR07MB5829F09D073ED963061D7E60CAFD0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <ECC3B5E7-C760-4971-9023-BA93840BFBD1@sunnybeeches.com>

Jim,

Yikes, I feel your pain.

My boat was built two years before yours, but was recycled the same winter.  They probably spent some time in the factory together.  I think it likely that both our motor lifts were added during recycling, so they are probably very similar.  I certainly recognize everything in your picture, including the anti-fouling paint that follows the curve of the bottom of the transom rather than going straight across from port to starboard.  I?m guessing you?re in fresh water, or there would be more marine growth there.

Fortunately for me, I don?t have your problem with cracked fiberglass.  Also, I?ve never actually fixed a problem like yours.  But, I have done some fiberglass work, and I have watched many, many hours of YouTube videos about other people doing fiberglass repairs.  

From what I?ve seen on YouTube, it seems the approach you should take would be to dish out an area around the damage to the point where there?s almost nothing left in the center.  Then cut some roughly circular pieces of fiberglass cloth that vary in diameter.  The largest would be about the size of the outer edges of your ?dish?, and the rest would get progressively smaller.  Unfortunately, I don?t know how to estimate how many layers you would need.  Epoxy the smallest piece of fiberglass into the bottom of the ?dish?, and larger pieces on top in succession. 

After this all cures, there will be some sanding and fairing and sanding and painting.  You definitely want to paint with something, because from what I hear, epoxy does not stand up well to UV exposure.  Since our boats were painted at about the same time, and they are both dark blue, it?s likely the same paint was used.  I was told the hull paint was Alexseal T5153 Flag Blue. 

Doing additional reinforcing inside certainly wouldn?t hurt, especially since the area has been damaged and weakened. But 1/4? thick fiberglass is pretty strong.  I think it pretty unlikely the damage was caused by the pressure that comes with motoring the boat.  Something else probably happened, not that it matters.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:27 PM, Jim Schroll <jschroll at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> I am new to this list and would be glad to go to an archived thread if this topic has been covered before.
> 
> We have a 1990 Rhodes 22 which was refurbished by General Boats in the winter of 2015 - 2016.  It has developed a crack completely through the transom, located under (and to the side) of the point where the wheel on the engine lift rests when the engine is lowered.  It appears that the pressure of the engine against that wheel, and then the transom, when motoring in forward gear is the cause of the crack.
> 
> I suspect that the engine lift was added sometime after the boat was originally built, and that no reinforcing was added behind (inside the lazarette) the point where the wheel rests on the guide track.  I?m looking for any suggestions from anyone who has faced a similar repair.  My thinking is to leave the engine lift frame in place (the crack does not extend to the frame) while removing both the guide strip on the outside and the lift motor and board it sits on inside the lazarette.  After cleaning the inside and outside surfaces, I would lay a couple of pieces of glass on the outside and three or four on the side to provide a more substantial structure (the transom appears to be no more than 1/4 inch thick where the wheel rests).  I might also try to glass in a new board to both add to the reinforcing and to hold the lift motor.
> 
> Does this seem like a reasonable plan of attack, or can someone suggest a better way forward?
> 
> Jim Schroll
> 
> [cid:08CAC407-8CD9-42BD-BAB6-B33BF57EAC7F at fios-router.home]
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jun 27 23:48:41 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 23:48:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
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Jim:
My boat is a 1876 and only has a standard motor mount but even it has a plywood core glassed onto the inside of the transom where the motor mount is installed and in other areas where stress is applied. 
Unless I misunderstood, I would want to make sure that any flex is removed from the transom through reinforcement on the inside. Once that is done the crack can be fixed through the application of a couple of layers of glass and gel coat repair.

Graham

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jim Schroll
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 5:27 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom

I am new to this list and would be glad to go to an archived thread if this topic has been covered before.

We have a 1990 Rhodes 22 which was refurbished by General Boats in the winter of 2015 - 2016.  It has developed a crack completely through the transom, located under (and to the side) of the point where the wheel on the engine lift rests when the engine is lowered.  It appears that the pressure of the engine against that wheel, and then the transom, when motoring in forward gear is the cause of the crack.

I suspect that the engine lift was added sometime after the boat was originally built, and that no reinforcing was added behind (inside the lazarette) the point where the wheel rests on the guide track.  I?m looking for any suggestions from anyone who has faced a similar repair.  My thinking is to leave the engine lift frame in place (the crack does not extend to the frame) while removing both the guide strip on the outside and the lift motor and board it sits on inside the lazarette.  After cleaning the inside and outside surfaces, I would lay a couple of pieces of glass on the outside and three or four on the side to provide a more substantial structure (the transom appears to be no more than 1/4 inch thick where the wheel rests).  I might also try to glass in a new board to both add to the reinforcing and to hold the lift motor.

Does this seem like a reasonable plan of attack, or can someone suggest a better way forward?

Jim Schroll

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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 01:37:34 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 07:37:34 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Prequel
In-Reply-To: <1561684743147-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CADNTwiX+aQ6Vd88AswEpfGRQw=u95R1rbFhwvF6e3ei4c+3pWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Alex,
             I did the same for 25 years before I managed to get summers
off.  Your time will come.
Chris G
ENOSIS

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 3:19 AM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Much enjoyed.    I?m short handed and having trouble hiring, so no cruise
> this year.     I?m really enjoying yours.    (I do get plenty of after work
> or day sails, so don?t pity me too much.)
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
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>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jun 28 08:14:23 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:14:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
In-Reply-To: <01ea01d52d64$634455e0$29cd01a0$@ca>
References: <BYAPR07MB5829F09D073ED963061D7E60CAFD0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Graham,

Gee, I knew that you were restoring your boat for some time but I never realized that it was a 1876 model!  Now let's see, that would make Stan about ... approaching 200 years old!  Wow!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 11:49 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom

Jim:
My boat is a 1876 and only has a standard motor mount but even it has a plywood core glassed onto the inside of the transom where the motor mount is installed and in other areas where stress is applied. 
Unless I misunderstood, I would want to make sure that any flex is removed from the transom through reinforcement on the inside. Once that is done the crack can be fixed through the application of a couple of layers of glass and gel coat repair.

Graham

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario



From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Fri Jun 28 09:57:07 2019
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 13:57:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
References: <1975156223.154445.1561730229092.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1975156223.154445.1561730229092@mail.yahoo.com>

Welcome Jim? Peats glass repair description is good but use good Resin . I like West System? 105 resin 205 hardener see pic after repair I would try to spread the load wider wheel? another wheel? my boat has? 1/2 in plastic sheeting under wheel maybe this could be as wide as inside of rails 5/8 in plus it might cover up repaired area make Shure to seal the glass with gelcoat or a primer and paint for this application ? ? Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Schroll <jschroll at msn.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thu, Jun 27, 2019 5:27 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom

I am new to this list and would be glad to go to an archived thread if this topic has been covered before.

We have a 1990 Rhodes 22 which was refurbished by General Boats in the winter of 2015 - 2016.? It has developed a crack completely through the transom, located under (and to the side) of the point where the wheel on the engine lift rests when the engine is lowered.? It appears that the pressure of the engine against that wheel, and then the transom, when motoring in forward gear is the cause of the crack.

I suspect that the engine lift was added sometime after the boat was originally built, and that no reinforcing was added behind (inside the lazarette) the point where the wheel rests on the guide track.? I?m looking for any suggestions from anyone who has faced a similar repair.? My thinking is to leave the engine lift frame in place (the crack does not extend to the frame) while removing both the guide strip on the outside and the lift motor and board it sits on inside the lazarette.? After cleaning the inside and outside surfaces, I would lay a couple of pieces of glass on the outside and three or four on the side to provide a more substantial structure (the transom appears to be no more than 1/4 inch thick where the wheel rests).? I might also try to glass in a new board to both add to the reinforcing and to hold the lift motor.

Does this seem like a reasonable plan of attack, or can someone suggest a better way forward?

Jim Schroll

[cid:08CAC407-8CD9-42BD-BAB6-B33BF57EAC7F at fios-router.home]
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Jun 28 10:08:45 2019
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 10:08:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
In-Reply-To: <00f101d52dab$06ac2460$14046d20$@ebsmed.com>
References: <BYAPR07MB5829F09D073ED963061D7E60CAFD0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <01f601d52dbb$02fdcf20$08f96d60$@ca>

Stan was quite young back then and I was pretty spry as well.
Graham

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 8:14 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom

Graham,

Gee, I knew that you were restoring your boat for some time but I never realized that it was a 1876 model!  Now let's see, that would make Stan about ... approaching 200 years old!  Wow!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 11:49 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom

Jim:
My boat is a 1876 and only has a standard motor mount but even it has a plywood core glassed onto the inside of the transom where the motor mount is installed and in other areas where stress is applied. 
Unless I misunderstood, I would want to make sure that any flex is removed from the transom through reinforcement on the inside. Once that is done the crack can be fixed through the application of a couple of layers of glass and gel coat repair.

Graham

Graham Stewart
Agile 1976 Rhodes 22
Kingston Ontario




From joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Jun 28 10:24:03 2019
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 07:24:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
In-Reply-To: <BYAPR07MB5829F09D073ED963061D7E60CAFD0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BYAPR07MB5829F09D073ED963061D7E60CAFD0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1561731843018-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Jim,
I've just had the same problem. I don't know the cause but here's how I
fixed it:Raise motor, if still on lift to point where it begins to tilt to
take pressure off of the plate.  Remove the lower phillips screw in the
guide plate and swing plate to left. My Rhodes has plywood reinforcing on
the inside so I couldn't get to both sides. I didn't need fiberglass mat,
just a West Epoxy System repair kit. Grind out rough edges of crack and sand
surrounding area with 60 grit paper. Mix epoxy and with the syringe, force
epoxy into the damaged area. Add thickener to the remaining epoxy to a past
consistency and spread into the damaged area. I'm surprised that there is no
reinforcement on the inside of your lazarette! "Respite" was recycled in
2005. My guess is that the motor lift was added at that time. I still need
to get some dark blue epoxy paint. Any suggestions from the List?

I don't know what caused the damage, but suspect the guides that follow in
the metal tracks are shot. Hopefully, it will last through the season. I'd
appreciate any evaluation or comments on my repair process. My first venture
into hull repair.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Transom_Damage.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Transom_Damage_Sanded.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Transom_Damage_Epoxied.jpg> 




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s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Marshall,VA
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Jun 28 10:53:24 2019
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 07:53:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift Parts and Design
Message-ID: <1561733604739-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Does anyone have photos or information of the motor lift guides that are in
the metal tracks? I just found a piece of hose like looking material beneath
my motor and wondering if it is part of the lift system. Any help
appreciated



-----
JP Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Marshall,VA
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From jjcampjr at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 28 11:10:21 2019
From: jjcampjr at yahoo.com (Joe Camp)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 15:10:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buy My Boat
References: <877941920.311873.1561734622001.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <877941920.311873.1561734622001@mail.yahoo.com>

Rhodies:
???? Buy my boat.? I had several agreements with Chris Cowie to sell the boat to him, but he has done little more than given me reasons to make me hate him and his business practices. So, if you respond with a desire to buy, do so with a commitment and intent.? Here's a brief sales pitch:
1987 Rhodes 22 reconditioned at General Boats in 2010. It comes with a galvanized Triad trailer and a brand new Doyle mainsail (IMF). There are some cosmetic issues on the hull, but she is sound,? Also included is a 6 hp Tohatsu outboard with gas tank and clever device that allows the captain to shift from the cockpit.? Boat has the improved GB traveler, and it makes a difference in sailing in light winds or better pointing. That alone is near $2,000 in value.? I am throwing in every item of equipment needed for a safe and satisfying sail: PFDs, fenders, boat hook, portable marine radio, hand pump, two anchors with rodes, 15 and 25 ft. docking lines. 

I want $7,000 for the boat, trailer, motor and all equipment.? And you can add 10%, paid to Stan, for new boat status in his eyes.? If you are serious, I will send pictures. Help a Rhodie who can no longer sail to honor his love of the sport, the boat and the man who made it.? Thanks.
Joe Camps/v John Dawson

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 11:30:22 2019
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:30:22 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buy My Boat
Message-ID: <1852068904.1490463.1561735822334.JavaMail.administrator@n5.nabble.com>

Hi Joe, there's another R22 that I am closing to buying, but I haven't cut the check yet.  I'd like to talk to you about yours ASAP.  Where are you located?  Can you give me a call on my cell at 402-203-2509  or let me know what number to call you?

My email is JESSE.LATEN.SHUMAKER at GMAIL.COM

Thanks,
Jesse Shumaker
Omaha, Nebraska

<quote author='Rhodes 22 mailing list'>
Rhodies:
???? Buy my boat.? I had several agreements with Chris Cowie to sell the
boat to him, but he has done little more than given me reasons to make me
hate him and his business practices. So, if you respond with a desire to
buy, do so with a commitment and intent.? Here's a brief sales pitch:
1987 Rhodes 22 reconditioned at General Boats in 2010. It comes with a
galvanized Triad trailer and a brand new Doyle mainsail (IMF). There are
some cosmetic issues on the hull, but she is sound,? Also included is a 6 hp
Tohatsu outboard with gas tank and clever device that allows the captain to
shift from the cockpit.? Boat has the improved GB traveler, and it makes a
difference in sailing in light winds or better pointing. That alone is near
$2,000 in value.? I am throwing in every item of equipment needed for a safe
and satisfying sail: PFDs, fenders, boat hook, portable marine radio, hand
pump, two anchors with rodes, 15 and 25 ft. docking lines. 

I want $7,000 for the boat, trailer, motor and all equipment.? And you can
add 10%, paid to Stan, for new boat status in his eyes.? If you are serious,
I will send pictures. Help a Rhodie who can no longer sail to honor his love
of the sport, the boat and the man who made it.? Thanks.
Joe Camps/v John Dawson

</quote>
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From dunaske at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 28 12:30:48 2019
From: dunaske at hotmail.com (Bill1972)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:30:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buy My Boat
In-Reply-To: <877941920.311873.1561734622001@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <877941920.311873.1561734622001@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1561739448205-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I?m interested.  Please call me at (239) 601-3367.



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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 12:38:36 2019
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 12:38:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
In-Reply-To: <1561731843018-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <BYAPR07MB5829F09D073ED963061D7E60CAFD0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <1561731843018-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <D32FE3F5-A35F-451C-875C-D3A04046A7DE@gmail.com>

That hole looks oddly like an old large through hull opening instead of a ?crack?. 
Your repair probably wont last long as it has very little strength (epoxy on 1/5? edge around the hole only) 
For a proper repair, You have to grind out the plywood on the inside and do a few layers of fiberglass cloth and glass (polyester resin) then glass on new marine plywood backing for a proper repair.  Then you finish the exterior like you did then paint.  

Bob (palatka)

> On Jun 28, 2019, at 10:24 AM, JP Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
> 
> Jim,
> I've just had the same problem. I don't know the cause but here's how I
> fixed it:Raise motor, if still on lift to point where it begins to tilt to
> take pressure off of the plate.  Remove the lower phillips screw in the
> guide plate and swing plate to left. My Rhodes has plywood reinforcing on
> the inside so I couldn't get to both sides. I didn't need fiberglass mat,
> just a West Epoxy System repair kit. Grind out rough edges of crack and sand
> surrounding area with 60 grit paper. Mix epoxy and with the syringe, force
> epoxy into the damaged area. Add thickener to the remaining epoxy to a past
> consistency and spread into the damaged area. I'm surprised that there is no
> reinforcement on the inside of your lazarette! "Respite" was recycled in
> 2005. My guess is that the motor lift was added at that time. I still need
> to get some dark blue epoxy paint. Any suggestions from the List?
> 
> I don't know what caused the damage, but suspect the guides that follow in
> the metal tracks are shot. Hopefully, it will last through the season. I'd
> appreciate any evaluation or comments on my repair process. My first venture
> into hull repair.
> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Transom_Damage.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Transom_Damage_Sanded.jpg> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Transom_Damage_Epoxied.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> JP Dempsey
> s/v Respite 
> Rhodes 22 1989/2005
> Marshall,VA
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From jjcampjr at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 28 14:18:21 2019
From: jjcampjr at yahoo.com (Joe Camp)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 18:18:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buy My Boat
In-Reply-To: <1852068904.1490463.1561735822334.JavaMail.administrator@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1852068904.1490463.1561735822334.JavaMail.administrator@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1025942146.386957.1561745901161@mail.yahoo.com>

 Jessie:
???? Sorry, but I am in suburban Philadelphia.? That's a long ride.
Joe

    On Friday, June 28, 2019, 11:30:27 AM EDT, <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hi Joe, there's another R22 that I am closing to buying, but I haven't cut the check yet.? I'd like to talk to you about yours ASAP.? Where are you located?? Can you give me a call on my cell at 402-203-2509? or let me know what number to call you?

My email is JESSE.LATEN.SHUMAKER at GMAIL.COM

Thanks,
Jesse Shumaker
Omaha, Nebraska

<quote author='Rhodes 22 mailing list'>
Rhodies:
???? Buy my boat.? I had several agreements with Chris Cowie to sell the
boat to him, but he has done little more than given me reasons to make me
hate him and his business practices. So, if you respond with a desire to
buy, do so with a commitment and intent.? Here's a brief sales pitch:
1987 Rhodes 22 reconditioned at General Boats in 2010. It comes with a
galvanized Triad trailer and a brand new Doyle mainsail (IMF). There are
some cosmetic issues on the hull, but she is sound,? Also included is a 6 hp
Tohatsu outboard with gas tank and clever device that allows the captain to
shift from the cockpit.? Boat has the improved GB traveler, and it makes a
difference in sailing in light winds or better pointing. That alone is near
$2,000 in value.? I am throwing in every item of equipment needed for a safe
and satisfying sail: PFDs, fenders, boat hook, portable marine radio, hand
pump, two anchors with rodes, 15 and 25 ft. docking lines. 

I want $7,000 for the boat, trailer, motor and all equipment.? And you can
add 10%, paid to Stan, for new boat status in his eyes.? If you are serious,
I will send pictures. Help a Rhodie who can no longer sail to honor his love
of the sport, the boat and the man who made it.? Thanks.
Joe Camps/v John Dawson

</quote>
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From jjcampjr at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 28 14:20:01 2019
From: jjcampjr at yahoo.com (Joe Camp)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 18:20:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buy My Boat
In-Reply-To: <1561739448205-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <877941920.311873.1561734622001@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1561739448205-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <744346556.408421.1561746001626@mail.yahoo.com>

 Bill:
???? Sorry, but looks like I have a solid offer.? It all went very quickly.
Joe

    On Friday, June 28, 2019, 12:30:56 PM EDT, Bill1972 <dunaske at hotmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I?m interested.? Please call me at (239) 601-3367.



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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jun 28 17:14:00 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 21:14:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Seat Drains?
Message-ID: <DM6PR02MB4651CACDCCED590C7013C3E980FC0@DM6PR02MB4651.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

The attached photo shows the GB engine mount on Dynamic Equilibrium.  Note the thru hull below the engine mount, which is where the port side cockpit seat drain empties out.  The photo of your boat does not have these thru hulls on the transom.  Where do your cockpit seat drains empty out?  Your easiest fix might be to drill these holes out with a hole saw, reinstall the thru hulls, and plumb them back up to the cockpit seat drains.

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From jschroll at msn.com  Fri Jun 28 22:37:18 2019
From: jschroll at msn.com (Jim Schroll)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 02:37:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
Message-ID: <BYAPR07MB582946207DDD39EA1CDDF930CAFF0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks for all of the suggestions.  My first task is to put in some temporary reinforcement to take the load of the motor while moving the boat to a ramp.  Once that?s done, I?ll pull it and get to work.

Here?s a picture of the boat under happier circumstances:

[cid:8AB7DD48-16F3-4A42-A2FC-2525C40B220C at fios-router.home]

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From daysails at aol.com  Sat Jun 29 08:02:34 2019
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 12:02:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Prequel
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiX+aQ6Vd88AswEpfGRQw=u95R1rbFhwvF6e3ei4c+3pWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiX+aQ6Vd88AswEpfGRQw=u95R1rbFhwvF6e3ei4c+3pWg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1471480337.398612.1561809754267@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks Joe for taking us along.? You are my favorite travel writer.? I need a map of Italy to see where you are and follow you along.? I was taught by nuns who must have been in that order!? ?"Go sit in the corner" takes on new meaning. For me, a guy still looking for where the bilge is located, your description of what needed to be repaired and updated was an education in itself.? Safe journeys to you and Alice!? Joe Riley S/V Second Wind, Lake Hartwell, SC




From Djbaines05 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 29 10:53:34 2019
From: Djbaines05 at gmail.com (DJBaines)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 07:53:34 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Instagram Pictures
Message-ID: <1561820014556-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Listmates, 

As a newbie Rhodes owner I enjoy seeing everyone?s photos of their beloved
Rhodes. It gives me some great insight into projects for my 1983 Rhodes that
I purchased last September. However, I can?t scroll through photos endlessly
without going through each message to get to a link to a photo. Very
laborious for someone with a short attention span. If only there were a
solution...well there is, put your photos on Instagram and simply use the
#rhodes22 hashtag. Everyone?s photos will be in one place. I enjoy a good
email thread, but I think if we start posting pictures and using the
hashtag, it?ll help make non Rhodies see what they?re missing. I?m 31 and
likely skew towards the younger side of Rhodes owners, but would love to
have the ability to show others when they ask about my boat a compilation of
all of your Rhodes photos. Would love to see the Rhodes on the med photos in
my Instagram feed. As of now it?s mostly Volier Yachts photos using that
hashtag, sure some on this list would like to see that diluted. It?s 2019,
let?s help out our own cause by making these great boats more visible.
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t891/710BF70D-EFFA-4DEA-B172-F132A1106E97.png> 

DJ Baines




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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Jun 29 15:15:27 2019
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Mike Weisner)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 15:15:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Instagram Pictures
In-Reply-To: <1561820014556-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561820014556-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <375D328E-3BFD-4FA9-AD9F-8C5DAE7FECD3@ebsmed.com>

In the past, when we posted to alternative sites (the old babble folks, googles, etc.), we lost the content when the site management changed their servers or business plan. The rhodes22.org site was started so that Rhodies would own the content and be able to preserve it for ever. 

Since I maintain the server, please explain exactly how you would like to view the photos. They are all stored independent of the email body and could be placed into a collage style format on the site, if that would serve the purpose. 

Mike
s/v Wind Lass (91)
Nisseqogue, NY


> On Jun 29, 2019, at 10:53 AM, DJBaines <Djbaines05 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Listmates, 
> 
> As a newbie Rhodes owner I enjoy seeing everyone?s photos of their beloved
> Rhodes. It gives me some great insight into projects for my 1983 Rhodes that
> I purchased last September. However, I can?t scroll through photos endlessly
> without going through each message to get to a link to a photo. Very
> laborious for someone with a short attention span. If only there were a
> solution...well there is, put your photos on Instagram and simply use the
> #rhodes22 hashtag. Everyone?s photos will be in one place. I enjoy a good
> email thread, but I think if we start posting pictures and using the
> hashtag, it?ll help make non Rhodies see what they?re missing. I?m 31 and
> likely skew towards the younger side of Rhodes owners, but would love to
> have the ability to show others when they ask about my boat a compilation of
> all of your Rhodes photos. Would love to see the Rhodes on the med photos in
> my Instagram feed. As of now it?s mostly Volier Yachts photos using that
> hashtag, sure some on this list would like to see that diluted. It?s 2019,
> let?s help out our own cause by making these great boats more visible.
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t891/710BF70D-EFFA-4DEA-B172-F132A1106E97.png> 
> 
> DJ Baines
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Sat Jun 29 16:31:52 2019
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP Dempsey)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 13:31:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Instagram Pictures
In-Reply-To: <1561820014556-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561820014556-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1561840312584-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

It would be great if photos could be categorized and kept on the site. DJ is
correct on two counts, he may well be the youngest Rhodie (I'm guessing the
average owner is over 60!) and looking for photos on this site is nearly
impossible.  Just sayin'!





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JP Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Marshall,VA
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jun 29 16:59:46 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 22:59:46 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med Prequel
In-Reply-To: <1471480337.398612.1561809754267@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CADNTwiX+aQ6Vd88AswEpfGRQw=u95R1rbFhwvF6e3ei4c+3pWg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1471480337.398612.1561809754267@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUsmU87yi+K+O7xwT0Pi=XfWvEkMb96tRedZ-7U2m10Uw@mail.gmail.com>

Glad you are enjoying the journal. I?ll keep it going.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
Stromboli Volcano

On Sat, 29 Jun 2019 at 14:02, Sling via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Thanks Joe for taking us along.  You are my favorite travel writer.  I
> need a map of Italy to see where you are and follow you along.  I was
> taught by nuns who must have been in that order!   "Go sit in the corner"
> takes on new meaning. For me, a guy still looking for where the bilge is
> located, your description of what needed to be repaired and updated was an
> education in itself.  Safe journeys to you and Alice!  Joe Riley S/V Second
> Wind, Lake Hartwell, SC
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jun 29 17:24:44 2019
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 17:24:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
In-Reply-To: <52287.24.140.30.102.1561670737.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <1561667948603-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <52287.24.140.30.102.1561670737.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <469D3292-8B92-4400-B272-3668C085B1A6@sunnybeeches.com>

I?m pretty sure Bill is asking about the outer tips of the spreaders and their connections to the upper shrouds.  

I?ve never looked at mine closely, but I?m sure the shrouds do not slip at the tips of the spreaders under normal loads.  This is the way the boat came to me from the factory, so I?d guess that General Boats thinks this is the way it should be.

On the other hand, I?ve got one turnbuckle (port aft lower shroud) that turns the opposite way from all the others.  This is way the boat came to me from the factory, but I?d guess that General Boats doesn?t think that this is the way it should be.

As a personal preference, I prefer the non-slipping option.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On Jun 27, 2019, at 5:25 PM, Cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote:
> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> If you are talking about the brackets that hold the spreader poles, that
> are thru bolted thru  the mast,I tighten them so that they can move enough
> to raise the mast. Make sure the bolt has a nylock nut that is
> serviceable. There is supposed to be plastic bushings between the bracket
> and the mast on both sides.
> 
> Jerry Lowe
> 
> 
> 
> 
> How tight do you all set the end cap?
>> Mine are currently loose enough to allow the stays to
>> move where needed when raising the mast.
>> Is that ok?  Or do you tighten down?
>> Thanks,
>> Bill ( From Michigan).
>> SV No name.
>> St Clair Shores
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 
> 
> 


From morrisix at comcast.net  Sat Jun 29 20:44:15 2019
From: morrisix at comcast.net (Bill)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 17:44:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
In-Reply-To: <469D3292-8B92-4400-B272-3668C085B1A6@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1561667948603-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <52287.24.140.30.102.1561670737.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
 <469D3292-8B92-4400-B272-3668C085B1A6@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <1561855455304-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks Jerry and Peter
Yes I am talking about the two little screws on 
The end of the spreaders.
After reading about Chris? adventure in Greece
It got me to thinking about these two little screws.
Too loose and it could be a similar adventure to 
What Chris had.  Too tight and it won?t self adjust.
Right now mine are a bit loose.  



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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun Jun 30 10:01:50 2019
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 10:01:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Instagram Pictures
In-Reply-To: <375D328E-3BFD-4FA9-AD9F-8C5DAE7FECD3@ebsmed.com>
References: <1561820014556-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <375D328E-3BFD-4FA9-AD9F-8C5DAE7FECD3@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <7862a964-4eba-c23e-3a31-cdb4e8e945f8@atlanticbb.net>

I will mention that there are older photos on the very old rhodes22.org 
site that our newer members may not even be aware of.

Lots of older but still useful content there as well.

Mike is our 3rd or 4th volunteer host since the email list and website 
were started back in the 1990s. Thanks Mike!

There are lots of photos under the various headings and lots of content 
in the FAQ.

FYI, There is also a R22 owners group on FB 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965860183639772/?ref=group_header

Mary Lou
ex R22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara





On 6/29/2019 3:15 PM, Mike Weisner wrote:
> In the past, when we posted to alternative sites (the old babble folks, googles, etc.), we lost the content when the site management changed their servers or business plan. The rhodes22.org site was started so that Rhodies would own the content and be able to preserve it for ever.
>
> Since I maintain the server, please explain exactly how you would like to view the photos. They are all stored independent of the email body and could be placed into a collage style format on the site, if that would serve the purpose.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass (91)
> Nisseqogue, NY
>
>
>> On Jun 29, 2019, at 10:53 AM, DJBaines <Djbaines05 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Listmates,
>>
>> As a newbie Rhodes owner I enjoy seeing everyone?s photos of their beloved
>> Rhodes. It gives me some great insight into projects for my 1983 Rhodes that
>> I purchased last September. However, I can?t scroll through photos endlessly
>> without going through each message to get to a link to a photo. Very
>> laborious for someone with a short attention span. If only there were a
>> solution...well there is, put your photos on Instagram and simply use the
>> #rhodes22 hashtag. Everyone?s photos will be in one place. I enjoy a good
>> email thread, but I think if we start posting pictures and using the
>> hashtag, it?ll help make non Rhodies see what they?re missing. I?m 31 and
>> likely skew towards the younger side of Rhodes owners, but would love to
>> have the ability to show others when they ask about my boat a compilation of
>> all of your Rhodes photos. Would love to see the Rhodes on the med photos in
>> my Instagram feed. As of now it?s mostly Volier Yachts photos using that
>> hashtag, sure some on this list would like to see that diluted. It?s 2019,
>> let?s help out our own cause by making these great boats more visible.
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t891/710BF70D-EFFA-4DEA-B172-F132A1106E97.png>
>>
>> DJ Baines
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun Jun 30 10:41:00 2019
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 14:41:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
In-Reply-To: <D32FE3F5-A35F-451C-875C-D3A04046A7DE@gmail.com>
References: <BYAPR07MB5829F09D073ED963061D7E60CAFD0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <1561731843018-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <D32FE3F5-A35F-451C-875C-D3A04046A7DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BL0PR02MB4643E41CE45F25864C0750D180FE0@BL0PR02MB4643.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

If you don?t want to or can?t reinstall the thru hulls; then, you might consider plugging the hole with a commercially available product called G-10.  One tradename for G-10 is Garolite.  G-10 is a composite material made of epoxy and glass fiber.  G-10 is very hard and stiff.  You can purchase sheets of G-10 from US Plastics in various thicknesses.  Get a piece of G-10 to match the transom thickness.  Cut out the botched repair job in the transom with a hole saw.  Cut a plug from G-10 to fit the hole in the transom.  Laminate a piece of heavy fiberglass cloth to one side of the plug with epoxy.  When the epoxy has cured, laminate the plug into the hole from the inside of the lazarette compartment using the fiberglass cloth as tabbing to attach the plug.  Fill in any gaps between the plug and the transom on the outside with thickened epoxy, sand it smooth, and paint to match the transom.

But, I?m still curious where your cockpit seat drains are plumbed to?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilbrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2019, at 11:38 AM, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That hole looks oddly like an old large through hull opening instead of a ?crack?. 
> Your repair probably wont last long as it has very little strength (epoxy on 1/5? edge around the hole only) 
> For a proper repair, You have to grind out the plywood on the inside and do a few layers of fiberglass cloth and glass (polyester resin) then glass on new marine plywood backing for a proper repair.  Then you finish the exterior like you did then paint.  
> 
> Bob (palatka)
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2019, at 10:24 AM, JP Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Jim,
>> I've just had the same problem. I don't know the cause but here's how I
>> fixed it:Raise motor, if still on lift to point where it begins to tilt to
>> take pressure off of the plate.  Remove the lower phillips screw in the
>> guide plate and swing plate to left. My Rhodes has plywood reinforcing on
>> the inside so I couldn't get to both sides. I didn't need fiberglass mat,
>> just a West Epoxy System repair kit. Grind out rough edges of crack and sand
>> surrounding area with 60 grit paper. Mix epoxy and with the syringe, force
>> epoxy into the damaged area. Add thickener to the remaining epoxy to a past
>> consistency and spread into the damaged area. I'm surprised that there is no
>> reinforcement on the inside of your lazarette! "Respite" was recycled in
>> 2005. My guess is that the motor lift was added at that time. I still need
>> to get some dark blue epoxy paint. Any suggestions from the List?
>> 
>> I don't know what caused the damage, but suspect the guides that follow in
>> the metal tracks are shot. Hopefully, it will last through the season. I'd
>> appreciate any evaluation or comments on my repair process. My first venture
>> into hull repair.
>> 
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Transom_Damage.jpg> 
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Transom_Damage_Sanded.jpg> 
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Transom_Damage_Epoxied.jpg> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> JP Dempsey
>> s/v Respite 
>> Rhodes 22 1989/2005
>> Marshall,VA
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 30 10:56:40 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 07:56:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Instagram Pictures
In-Reply-To: <1561820014556-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561820014556-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1561906600803-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

There is also a slide show we put together for the Annapolis party a couple
years ago, plus all that Chris Geankoplis?s Enosis has done since.   It
would be good to compile fun and repair photos in an easy format owners and
casual browsers could find.   

To back up the need DJ identified, I?m inland in powerboat territory and
used to be even more so in Indiana.   I had identified the limitations of my
Bucc18, and found I was sailing less due to ramp lines and weather concerns.  
Visiting marinas on vacation was biased toward big boats that need lifts.   
I visited a now defunct sailboat shop when traveling to another state and
found boats that sort of met most of my goals.  I had never seen a R22 in
the fiberglass when it made my short list.   Ted?s AirPower  videos
introduced me to the design.   I memorized Stan?s aging website and the
ancient photos in the owners? site.    Then  Jerry invited me for a sail on
Country Rhodes.    I was primed when I visited Stan, even though that trip
didn?t go swimmingly (no wind, heat and uptight transplanted New York racers
had dibs to the marina, their snob wives especially annoying my GF).  
Modern photos and video clips, as well as preserved old ones, would help
promote the class and benefit owners that are considering selling for
whatever reason.    I?ll leave it to others to devise the format but would
be proud to include what I have of the Lark.

Alex



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S/V Lark
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 30 12:03:08 2019
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 09:03:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Damaged Fiberglass where Swivel Captains Seat
	Inserts
In-Reply-To: <1561577144987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561577144987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1561910588579-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

The gunnel looks different and the plate doesn?t seem to be on a flat
surface?    Is it just an illusion?
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t691/62F938E9-FC80-4D00-80F2-628642A539A0.jpeg> 



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S/V Lark
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From stan at generalboats.com  Sun Jun 30 12:26:36 2019
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 12:26:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Crack in Transom
In-Reply-To: <00f101d52dab$06ac2460$14046d20$@ebsmed.com>
References: <BYAPR07MB5829F09D073ED963061D7E60CAFD0@BYAPR07MB5829.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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 <00f101d52dab$06ac2460$14046d20$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <566fda3b-7eaa-8484-18f9-af28e67fa735@generalboats.com>


Mike,

I heard that.

I am sitting in my empty haunted house and I can hear a year drop.? I am 
93 going on 193.

OK, I'll put off taking the beard off til tomorrow to say I have never 
heard of a transom crack, even those made by others.? I vote for an 
external hit job.? Our in house hulls have no cores or back up plates.? 
They are 100% glass, ridiculously thick so can't flex and so strong only 
the two transom eyes attach to a crane to move the boat through the air. 
We do not maintain our non profit organizational status for nothing.? It 
is costly.

As long as I have broken my silence I want to thank everyone for 
honoring Cecelia's admonishing to hold condolence emails that start my 
crying again.? I knew 70 wonderful years had to end badly but I could 
not imagine it being this painful and did not want efforts to easing 
that pain be missing their mark.? I know my "thoughts" inbox is full of 
your good thinking and thank you all.

Knocking the Rhodes is another matter.? Keep it up. The business has 
been my only partially effective pain killer so I will probably cling to 
it 'till the end.? (I mean the businesses end of course).? To paraphrase 
a known politicians take, 'it is better you talk about the Rhodes in the 
same breath as your complaints, than to not talk about the Rhodes at all'.

I need that.

stan

On 6/28/19 8:14 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Graham,
>
> Gee, I knew that you were restoring your boat for some time but I never realized that it was a 1876 model!  Now let's see, that would make Stan about ... approaching 200 years old!  Wow!
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>


From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Sun Jun 30 14:23:25 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 11:23:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Damaged Fiberglass where Swivel Captains Seat
	Inserts
In-Reply-To: <1561910588579-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561577144987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1561910588579-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1561919005933-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Alex,

I think it might be an optical illusion. The day I took the photo was the
first time I had seen a R22 in person, but I think I remember it as being
flat where the damaged fiberglass was located. 

George



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From mike at traildesign.com  Sun Jun 30 16:04:33 2019
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:04:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
In-Reply-To: <1561855455304-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1561667948603-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <52287.24.140.30.102.1561670737.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
 <469D3292-8B92-4400-B272-3668C085B1A6@sunnybeeches.com>
 <1561855455304-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo84ux+vQqS6B6rN_tBDEDKJF+VNm2FgM-AASu9cOyMbKw@mail.gmail.com>

I went through this on one of my spreaders last year. The two screws were
stripped on one of the ends and couldn't be tightened. The shroud just slid
easily through and left a lot of slack when the mast was down and on the
trailer. The other was tight with no slipping. Since it came from the
factory that way I wasn't sure which was correct. I contacted Stan and said
it should be tight, but cautioned the spreader tips shouldn't be
overtightened. Just tight enough to hold the shroud in place when there is
no tension on it. I never got a replacement, but a quick internet search
led me to a company that makes machined aluminum versions for a 26'
Macgregor which has the same size spreader diameter and rigging. I remember
they weren't expensive ($14) and fit perfectly. I did have to drill new
holes in the spreader since the new tips didn't match the old holes, but it
was nice to have the sturdier parts up there instead of plastic. I did keep
the intact plastic one as an emergency backup.

If anyone is interested, here's a link to the website where I got them.
https://shop.bwyachts.com/product-p/3204-110.htm

Mke Riter
SV Emma B




On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 7:44 PM Bill <morrisix at comcast.net> wrote:

> Thanks Jerry and Peter
> Yes I am talking about the two little screws on
> The end of the spreaders.
> After reading about Chris? adventure in Greece
> It got me to thinking about these two little screws.
> Too loose and it could be a similar adventure to
> What Chris had.  Too tight and it won?t self adjust.
> Right now mine are a bit loose.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jun  9 14:14:23 2019
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:14:23 -0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing the Med prequel 2
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWi+vF=fY6JP3WayoWT5-hCsu9HrCnYH_bOajjLOAzBiQ@mail.gmail.com>

So worked half the day on the boat then decided to hike up the volcano, Mt.
Epomeo. 1st pic is NW slope. Fortunately I drove around to a breach on the
south side and picked up a 1200? elevation gain. Hey I?ve hiked up most of
the towering peaks of the Bahamian Alps last winter. Uh, maybe 100? or so.
So the climb up the  last 1800? was a killer. The 2nd attachment shows it
was worth it. Not exactly sailing news but the Rhodes got me to the
island.  Not sure what order the attachments will show up.
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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Jun 20 05:46:29 2019
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2019 09:46:29 -0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any Rhodes 22 Owners in the Wilmington NC Area
Message-ID: <1b982f09-24dc-4a82-83b2-928db55e7934@googlegroups.com>

Hello,

I?m interested in buying a Rhodes 22, but cannot find one closer than Illinois for sale. Is there anyone in the Wilmington area with a R22 who could let me see one in person and maybe talk to you about sailing and launching one from a ramp?

Thanks,
George Morgan
Southport, NC
336-430-7823