[Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
Goodness
spreadgoodnews at gmail.com
Fri Jun 7 09:15:34 EDT 2019
Thanks Chris!
Yes i will continue to encourage him. We are going sailing on fathers day.
I am sharing with him my secret for restoring a boat. “Do one thing every day to or for the boat”. Doesnt have to be big though those days are needed, it can be as simple as ordering a part or picking up a tube of butyl rubber, epoxy or a box of SS screws. He is intrigued for sure.
He finally figured out which way to twist a screwdriver! His younger brother on the other hand can swap an engine. Go figure!
Exciting times!
Keep sailing the dream Chris!!!
Bob (Palatka)
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:02 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> .....
> Congratulations on your success with passing on your love of sailing and
> the Rhodes to the next generation. Encourage him to think big goo. I did
> the same dith my so and he has become a great sailor and accomplished
> Rhodie. While a teenager he sailed dith friends on the Rhodes in the San
> Juan’s and Mexico. Besides get a kid involved is restoring a boat and he
> will stay ofc drugs and booze ........there won’t be the money for those
> (grin).
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
>> On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 at 01:37, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Out of curiosity who pays the web host fee for Rhodes22.org? They are the
>> real owner of the list!
>>
>>
>>
>> On a side note yesterday my 16 year old finally snapped out of it, put
>> down his cell phone and came out to the Rhodes! He was amazed he could lie
>> down and stretch out in the berth (He is 6’3”)! He started looking around
>> and said “This thing is really cool!” I cant wait till you go out again
>> cause i want to sail too!!! (He is a decent sunfish sailor) He then started
>> mentioning that the styling of the R-22 was “sick” (meaning more awesome)
>> than other boats.
>>
>> Then he started walking around my “parts boat” and decided he could “fix
>> it and sail” (i gave him the book by that title!!).
>>
>> So BAM!! A new Rhodie was born yesterday!
>>
>> I predicted last week that the new generation would figure this out
>> eventually,
>>
>> But had no idea it would be my own son!!!
>>
>> 😳🙄😁
>>
>> Ha!
>>
>> So now is the conundrum. Didn’t Stan say last week my son cant be a
>> Rhodie since he cut off the certificate of support? I have one so i guess i
>> can transfer it? Thoughts?
>>
>> 😞
>>
>> Rhodes 22 forever!
>>
>>
>>
>> Bob (Palatka)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 28, 2019, at 3:33 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> I am with Stan on this issue. Been a Rhodes owner and Stan loyalist
>> since
>>
>>> 1996. I absolutely trust him and sincerely hope he can find an active
>>
>>> partner to help with GB. Seems to me that Chris C. and his company are
>>
>>> just trying to squeeze Stan out!
>>
>>> Great to hear again from MJM; wasn't sure you were still out there.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Mike Corley
>>
>>> S/V Ranger
>>
>>> Hampton Roads
>>
>>>
>>
>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 1:49 PM Charles Nieman <
>> blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>>>> I do not disagree with the premise presented here....and I do not have
>> any
>>
>>>> real interest....but, it should be noted...
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> This list is not the property of nor supported by General Boats ....
>> fro
>>
>>>> what I have been able to tell over the years of being involved with this
>>
>>>> list, Stan has never nurtured this list and only occasionally will he
>>
>>>> respond to the list, but I THINK he does "listen" to the postings here
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> ... it is my understanding that this list is an open exchange of
>>
>>>> information between people who own a Rhodes 22, want to own a Rhodes
>> 22, or
>>
>>>> have other interest in a Rhodes 22. I think Chris Cowie qualifies under
>> a
>>
>>>> least two of those points.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Bob
>>
>>>> Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 11:15 AM
>>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> My $0.1 from Kent Island, Chesapeake Bay
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I fell in love with the Rhodes 22 when I stepped onto the vessel at the
>>
>>>> 2005 Annapolis Boat Show, and test sailed it with Stan during the same
>>
>>>> show.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> I understand that competition has arrived but I am concerned about
>> using a
>>
>>>> mailing list that was nurtured by General Boats over 50+ years and
>> marketed
>>
>>>> at boat shows around the US, including the first Annapolis Sailboat
>> Show in
>>
>>>> 1970. The cost of marketing can be a significant barrier to entry
>> against
>>
>>>> an established brand. Using a competitor’s existing customer base and
>>
>>>> mailing list avoids these costs, so I would expect that the ‘right
>> thing’
>>
>>>> to do would be to compensate GB for any Rhodes-related sales and
>> services.
>>
>>>> It’s not clear to me whether that arrangement has been made.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> As a side note, I’ve sailed around the Chesapeake Bay for the last 15
>>
>>>> years, after moving in 2003 to a neighborhood just up from Annapolis on
>> the
>>
>>>> Severn River. We moved across the Bay to Kent Island in 2018 and we were
>>
>>>> very surprised last September when a dozen dolphins played around us
>> while
>>
>>>> we tacked across the Chester River. I suspect it was the beauty of the
>>
>>>> Rhodes 22 hull that attracted them. Especially since some of these
>> dolphins
>>
>>>> appeared to have stopped over in Edenton on the way to the Chesapeake.
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Regards,
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> Bob, s/v 2000 Sail la Vie
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>> On Tue, May 28, 2019 at 11:36 AM Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>
>>>>> $ 0.02 from Florida
>>
>>>>> I really think all of this talk is in poor taste. Stan is very much
>>
>>>> alive
>>
>>>>> and still active CEO of a great boat company.
>>
>>>>> Life constantly reminds me that no one is guaranteed tomorrow.
>>
>>>>> My motto is “treat everyone like its your last day and theirs!”
>>
>>>>> I am an active certificate of support member having paid my
>>
>>>>> penalty/membership to Stan who graciously allowed me to give him money
>>
>>>>> after buying my boat from a sailboat graveyard in Georgia.
>>
>>>>> When i needed a replacement hatch i couldnt get one without driving to
>>
>>>> the
>>
>>>>> factory as it was too large to ship. But as serendpity would have it,
>> i
>>
>>>>> bought another failing vessel with a functioning hatch before i made
>> the
>>
>>>>> drive.
>>
>>>>> Now we all wish there was a website where we could order parts to keep
>>
>>>>> things operational right!!!???
>>
>>>>> ... but Stan being a capitalist in the full sense of the word (despite
>>
>>>>> claiming to be a socialist lol) decided it best to let the boats age
>> out
>>
>>>>> and be repurchased for recycling. Its a brilliant idea especially
>>
>>>>> considering GB was only a “one design” company (i know there was a
>>
>>>>> prototype). Also in His defense he does occasionally fill and ship an
>>
>>>>> order for soft and small parts.
>>
>>>>> This business tactic probably profited the same as a parts store.
>>
>>>>> Competition has arrived...it is inevitable. Competitors in the same
>>
>>>> market
>>
>>>>> often dont do well so i cant see that there is much money in this
>>
>>>> endeavor
>>
>>>>> so be not dismayed. Another issue is the fate of the abandoned R22’s
>>
>>>> that
>>
>>>>> have the thick heavy hulls that are not suitable for the recycling
>>
>>>>> program. I love all boats and hate to see them go to the dump.
>>
>>>>> But all of this rambling brings me to my next statement to Stan....if
>> you
>>
>>>>> are still reading.
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Stan! Keep eating organic and live to be 120!!
>>
>>>>> Lets redesign the keel into a ballasted diamond board and put a
>>
>>>> rudderpost
>>
>>>>> in the cockpit drain area and mount a 30-40 hp honda on the midline and
>>
>>>>> show MacGregor that your power sailer is superior to his 26 and looks
>>
>>>> much
>>
>>>>> better! It would sell like hotcakes and sail like an R22! After all
>>
>>>> that
>>
>>>>> WAS your idea!
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>> Bob (Palatka)
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> On May 26, 2019, at 4:43 PM, Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>>
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> It is probably an opportune time for me to get into the fray.
>>
>>>>>> I cannot imagine the sale of GB to anyone under any circumstances,
>>
>>>>> fellow skippers, no discredit to anyone. I suspect the business will
>>
>>>> pass
>>
>>>>> to Stan's daughter through his will. My suggestion would be to drive to
>>
>>>>> B'more and see if you want to be her business partner. You may find
>> she
>>
>>>>> has little intention of becoming the CEO, therefore creating this
>> option.
>>
>>>>>> Remember that time flies.
>>
>>>>>> Art Czerwonkys/v MaryJane (soon available)
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>> On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 8:51 AM, michael meltzer<
>>
>>>> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
>>
>>>>> wrote: Considering my bottom painting just got rained out. What going
>>
>>>> on
>>
>>>>> here?
>>
>>>>>> Anyone have a summary (no axes to grind please), been following but
>> not
>>
>>>>>> understanding
>>
>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, May 25, 2019, 9:28 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com>
>>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> I've been on the list probably longer than most. The new admins keep
>>
>>>>>>> bouncing my emails saying my freebie email must be sent as plain text
>>
>>>>>>> instead HTML. I hope this email gets through, because I can't stand
>>
>>>>> Nabble.
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> I'm a nice guy most of the time but I can be quite abrasive at
>>
>>>>>>> times...just ask Roger P (welcome back BTW). And this email will
>>
>>>>> probably
>>
>>>>>>> cost me a few friends here too but I don't care . My 2 cents; which
>> is
>>
>>>>> more
>>
>>>>>>> vinegar than sugar:
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> I first got on list before we left Sailnet and MJM started this list
>>
>>>> for
>>
>>>>>>> us Rhodies, so I've been here since before the beginning. Early on I
>>
>>>>> bumped
>>
>>>>>>> heads with Stan and got grilled by a few of the hardcore
>>
>>>>>>> Rhodies...especially Rummy (may he rest in peace). I went off because
>>
>>>> of
>>
>>>>>>> Stan's reluctance to stop the production line to field my calls and
>>
>>>>> parts
>>
>>>>>>> requests. Stan made a comment to the effect of 'I'm not in the parts
>>
>>>>>>> business so go talk to the guy you bought the boat from. Why should I
>>
>>>>> stop
>>
>>>>>>> trying to make money to help out someone who has never put one dime
>> in
>>
>>>>> my
>>
>>>>>>> pocket?' This is partly the genesis for the Certificate of Support
>>
>>>>> program.
>>
>>>>>>> I had never dealt with a struggling "one-off" organization before,
>>
>>>> but I
>>
>>>>>>> eventually understood the mindset and now I have to step up and
>> defend
>>
>>>>> Stan.
>>
>>>>>>> I'm sure he'd love to sell his business and finally retire...before
>> he
>>
>>>>>>> turns 100 or reaches his "expiration date". I thought about making
>> him
>>
>>>>> this
>>
>>>>>>> offer--- I wouldn't buy his business or infuse any cash. But I could
>>
>>>>> drive
>>
>>>>>>> down to Edenton bimonthly or so and tell him how to run the business
>>
>>>>>>> better, in exchange for him giving me the business and property in
>> his
>>
>>>>> Will
>>
>>>>>>> or something like that. Unfortunately though...somebody had already
>>
>>>> made
>>
>>>>>>> him that offer.
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> CC's endeavor is his own and I wish him luck. But Charles's
>> supportive
>>
>>>>>>> email and choice of phrases are ironic. I'm at a loss to understand
>>
>>>> how
>>
>>>>> a
>>
>>>>>>> directly competing business, especially one advertising HERE, is
>>
>>>>> supposed
>>
>>>>>>> to put one dime in Stan's pocket? Is that how you perpetuate a
>>
>>>> brand? b
>>
>>>>>>> Competing and taking business by soliciting to the list members
>> who've
>>
>>>>>>> supported Stan for so long? I'll stop just short of saying this is
>>
>>>>> Stan's
>>
>>>>>>> list, but we started it to drive interest in the Rhodes 22 and we've
>>
>>>>>>> promoted General Boats with some success. CC's business may
>> certainly
>>
>>>>>>> propel OUR interests in (your) Stan's invention" but it is certainly
>>
>>>>> not a
>>
>>>>>>> faithful "continuation of the brand"?
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> I'm sorry if this offends anyone, and I don't want to make enemy of
>>
>>>>> Chris
>>
>>>>>>> or Charles, but this is not the place to be asking for or looking for
>>
>>>>>>> support to cripple the struggling business of the aged Admiral of our
>>
>>>>> fleet.
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> Todd Tavares (Todd T.)
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2019 at 7:17 PM
>>
>>>>>>> From: "Charles Nieman" <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
>>
>>>>>>> To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Cowie/GB storm clouds
>>
>>>>>>> Stan;
>>
>>>>>>> I would normally not make any public comment in a situation such as
>>
>>>>> this,
>>
>>>>>>> but you have asked. I support what CC is doing and think it actually
>>
>>>>> helps
>>
>>>>>>> to propel our interests in your invention. You have not provided any
>>
>>>>>>> evidence of any solid plan for the continuation of the brand. And
>>
>>>> while
>>
>>>>>>> your longevity is amazing (but I’m pretty certain you do have an
>>
>>>>> expiration
>>
>>>>>>> date as the rest of us do, if I’m wrong here I applaud you but could
>>
>>>> you
>>
>>>>>>> please share some insight and some evidence) there needs to be some
>>
>>>> plan
>>
>>>>>>> for the future. It appears to me that CC is attempting to provide
>>
>>>> such.
>>
>>>>> He
>>
>>>>>>> therefore will receive the same support from me that you have. I wish
>>
>>>>> both
>>
>>>>>>> endeavors all possible success.
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>> Charles
>>
>>>>>>> 98 R 22
>>
>>>>>>> s/v DayDreams
>>
>>>>>>> Joe Pool Lake, DFW Texas
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> On May 25, 2019, at 4:24 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> For 50 years Rhodes owners have been our sales force and our board
>> of
>>
>>>>>>> directors. So before we submit a book size White Paper response to
>>
>>>> Chris
>>
>>>>>>> Cowie's "new" business, made clear by the following two emails, we
>>
>>>> feel
>>
>>>>> we
>>
>>>>>>> should give voice to the cooler collective heads of the List, before
>> a
>>
>>>>>>> declaration of war:
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> "/Hi Chris, /
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> /Rumor (Ted) has it that you may know of used Rhodes 22s for sale
>>
>>>>>>> especially in the Mid Atlantic region. My wife Emily and I are
>>
>>>> seriously
>>
>>>>>>> hot to trot! Jeff: Contact me//**//via email - we//**//have several
>>
>>>>>>> refurbished Rhodes 22 ready to sail."/
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> If you own, or are thinking of buying a Rhodes, what is happening
>>
>>>> here
>>
>>>>>>> truly affect your interests. Any and all input from the List will be
>>
>>>>>>> thoughtfully responded to.
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>> thanks for hearing,
>>
>>>>>>>> stan
>>
>>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>>>>
>>
>>>>
>>
>>
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