[Rhodes22-list] Saildrive
Scott Andrews
sea20 at verizon.net
Wed Aug 26 15:17:35 EDT 2020
Electric sail drive would be the ultimate.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than most!
> I'm curious about your self tending jib. I've only seen that feature on
> larger boats such as Island Packets. Have you found the self tending jib
> to work well?
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the keel.
>> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder
>> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't
>> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of the
>> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel and a
>> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll see.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Cory - that’s a really interesting install.
>>> Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?
>>> It would not work for my needs - it’s too deep.
>>> I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel, and I
>>> would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft of
>> the
>>> end of the keel, understanding that the motor head (probably electric
>> and
>>> smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the cockpit
>>> floor.
>>> I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.
>>> Not sure that such a thing is even available.
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>>> Office 631-283-1777
>>> Cell 516-965-3164
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ric,
>>>>
>>>> Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source for
>>> the
>>>> zincs.
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]
>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]
>>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 15 HP is a lot of motor.
>>>>> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?
>>>>> Any pics of it under the boat?
>>>>> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?
>>>>> I’m dying to know more about this.
>>>>> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.
>>>>> Ric
>>>>> sv Dadventure
>>>>> HBNY
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>>>>> Office 631-283-1777
>>>>> Cell 516-965-3164
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Richard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha
>>>>> saildrive.
>>>>>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like it
>>>>> will
>>>>>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom
>>>>>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially out
>>> of
>>>>>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this
>> saildrive
>>>>>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I
>> like
>>>>> the
>>>>>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I
>> need
>>>>> to
>>>>>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that option,
>>> the
>>>>>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often a
>>>>> diesel.
>>>>>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so it's
>> not
>>>>>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the replacement
>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Boston, MA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
>>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
>>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cary
>>>>>>> My ’84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8 went
>>> in
>>>>>>> the drink.
>>>>>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could
>>>>> continue
>>>>>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.
>>>>>>> Its a stinky smoky ’99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs
>>> when
>>>>>>> it need it - well almost always.
>>>>>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan to
>>>>>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his
>> sketch)
>>> so
>>>>>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric motor.
>>>>>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped
>>> with.
>>>>>>> I’ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design
>> of
>>>>>>> Mikes - that’s a winter project.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has
>>> pros
>>>>>>> and cons.
>>>>>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is
>>> father
>>>>>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger
>> waves,
>>>>>>> especially with weight on the bow.
>>>>>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the
>>> West
>>>>>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.
>>>>>>> (What I really want is an electric, steerable, remote controlled,
>> 20
>>> hp
>>>>>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)
>>>>>>> It’s doable for approximately one tone of money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.
>>>>>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.
>>>>>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and
>> easy
>>>>> to
>>>>>>> cary to the shore.
>>>>>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on
>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> beach to pick up provisions and of course my wife, who is not one
>> to
>>>>>>> paddle out to the boat.
>>>>>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes
>> put
>>>>> the
>>>>>>> stern right on the beach.
>>>>>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a
>>> huge
>>>>>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)
>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>> sv Dadventure
>>>>>>> stay tuned for ‘motor mount mod’ updates
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
>>>>>>> Office 631-283-1777
>>>>>>> Cell 516-965-3164
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> Once
>>>>>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to the
>>>>> lake
>>>>>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the
>>>>> motor
>>>>>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s
>> chain.
>>>>>>> Lucky
>>>>>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he
>> has
>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the starboard
>>>>>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My
>> question
>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a
>>>>>>>> gerneric system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say
>> something
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of
>>>>>>>> experience on the list
>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86
>>>>>>>> Radford, VA
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Boston, MA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
>>>>>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
>>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
>>>>>
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