[Rhodes22-list] Saildrive

Wed Aug 26 16:48:08 EDT 2020

Believe that sailboat 2 maby 3 years ago was in the Annapolis boat show . think sold to some one on west cost Seattle? Stan did design and build one with Torpedo's equipment mounted inside lazaret    Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive

Stan had mentioned to me he had an idea where it would even retract, based
on some torqueedo parts.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 2:17 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Electric sail drive would be the ultimate.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than
> most!
> > I'm curious about your self tending jib.  I've only seen that feature on
> > larger boats such as Island Packets.  Have you found the self tending jib
> > to work well?
> >
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the keel.
> >> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder
> >> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't
> >> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of
> the
> >> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel and
> a
> >> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll see.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Cory - that’s a really interesting install.
> >>> Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?
> >>> It would not work for my needs - it’s too deep.
> >>> I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel, and
> I
> >>> would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft of
> >> the
> >>> end of the keel,  understanding that the motor head (probably electric
> >> and
> >>> smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the
> cockpit
> >>> floor.
> >>> I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.
> >>> Not sure that such a thing is even available.
> >>> Thanks
> >>>
> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>> www.stottarchitecture.com
> >>> Office  631-283-1777
> >>> Cell            516-965-3164
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Ric,
> >>>>
> >>>> Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source for
> >>> the
> >>>> zincs.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mark
> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]
> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]
> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <
> >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Mark
> >>>>> 15 HP is a lot of motor.
> >>>>> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?
> >>>>> Any pics of it under the boat?
> >>>>> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?
> >>>>> I’m dying to know more about this.
> >>>>> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.
> >>>>> Ric
> >>>>> sv Dadventure
> >>>>> HBNY
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com
> >>>>> Office  631-283-1777
> >>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Richard,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha
> >>>>> saildrive.
> >>>>>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like
> it
> >>>>> will
> >>>>>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom
> >>>>>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially
> out
> >>> of
> >>>>>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this
> >> saildrive
> >>>>>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I
> >> like
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I
> >> need
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that option,
> >>> the
> >>>>>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often a
> >>>>> diesel.
> >>>>>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so it's
> >> not
> >>>>>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the replacement
> >>>>>> problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mark
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Boston, MA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <
> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Cary
> >>>>>>> My ’84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8
> went
> >>> in
> >>>>>>> the drink.
> >>>>>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could
> >>>>> continue
> >>>>>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.
> >>>>>>> Its a stinky smoky ’99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs
> >>> when
> >>>>>>> it need it - well almost always.
> >>>>>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan
> to
> >>>>>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his
> >> sketch)
> >>> so
> >>>>>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric
> motor.
> >>>>>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped
> >>> with.
> >>>>>>> I’ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design
> >> of
> >>>>>>> Mikes - that’s a winter project.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has
> >>> pros
> >>>>>>> and cons.
> >>>>>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is
> >>> father
> >>>>>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger
> >> waves,
> >>>>>>> especially with weight on the bow.
> >>>>>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the
> >>> West
> >>>>>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.
> >>>>>>> (What I really want is an electric,  steerable, remote controlled,
> >> 20
> >>> hp
> >>>>>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)
> >>>>>>> It’s doable for approximately one tone of money.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.
> >>>>>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.
> >>>>>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and
> >> easy
> >>>>> to
> >>>>>>> cary to the shore.
> >>>>>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on
> >> to
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> beach to pick up  provisions and of course my wife, who is not one
> >> to
> >>>>>>> paddle out to the boat.
> >>>>>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes
> >> put
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>>> stern right on the beach.
> >>>>>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a
> >>> huge
> >>>>>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)
> >>>>>>> Ric
> >>>>>>> sv Dadventure
> >>>>>>> stay tuned for ‘motor mount mod’ updates
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
> >>>>>>> Office  631-283-1777
> >>>>>>> Cell            516-965-3164
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>
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> >>>>>>>> Once
> >>>>>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to
> the
> >>>>> lake
> >>>>>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the
> >>>>> motor
> >>>>>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s
> >> chain.
> >>>>>>> Lucky
> >>>>>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he
> >> has
> >>>>>>> long
> >>>>>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the
> starboard
> >>>>>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My
> >> question
> >>>>> is
> >>>>>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a
> >>>>>>>> gerneric  system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say
> >> something
> >>>>>>> that
> >>>>>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of
> >>>>>>>> experience on the list
> >>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86
> >>>>>>>> Radford, VA
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Boston, MA
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> >>>>>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
> >>>>>
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