[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4241, Issue 3

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We tried the Sea Eagle 370 a couple of years ago and got rid of it immediately afterward. Extremely uncomfortable. (We prefer canoes over kayaks anyway.) We have an old Avon for cruising trips. I agree that towing your Achilles, Jeff, may work out better.Thanks for sharing about your trip. We are taking notes!Cynthia & Carl Lang1990 Rhodes 22Bristol Yacht ClubDelaware RiverSent from my Samsung Galaxy , an AT&T LTE smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org Date: 8/26/20  5:09 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4241, Issue 3 Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to	rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.orgYou can reach the person managing the list at	rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.orgWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."Today's Topics:   1. Re: Maine Sailing Anyone? (Jesse Shumaker)   2. Re: Maine Sailing Anyone? (JeffSmith)   3. Re: Trailer question (Peter Nyberg)   4. Re: Maine Sailing Anyone? (Peter Nyberg)   5. Re: Saildrive (Tom Van Heule)   6. Re: Saildrive (Mark West)   7. Re: Saildrive (Weiss, Robert L)   8. Re: motor broke away (Chris Cowie)   9. Re: Saildrive (Chris Cowie)  10. Re: Saildrive (Tom Van Heule)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 14:56:35 -0500From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Maine Sailing Anyone?Message-ID:	<CAMc-3frNpsrUCiseEjV-fjLOKSkvK4Wn9509-sVcynHgLv=k5Q at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"Jeff, thanks for sharing the trip and photos.  It's good to know yourexperience with the Sea Eagle 370.  I'll be using that as a dinghy for thefirst time on a road trip to a bigger lake over Labor Day weekend.  Niceidea for the sunshade for the chart plotter.  I had put some magnets tomount an Android tablet running Open CPN in that location, but thenrealized the glare from the sun is problematic.Jesse ShumakerS/V ZephyrOn Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 2:24 PM JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:> Radiant returned from Maine yesterday after 2 weeks on the road and sea.> After stopping at the local trailer place to replace a tail light (but they> both worked yesterday!) We drove for about 9 hours to Rockland and stayed> in> the Harbor View Hotel for a couple of nights to load and prep the boat.> Hotels and restaurants make Emily happy and "Happy wife, etc." Thanks to> research by Peter Nyberg we had a good launch at the Snow Park Ramp - the> best in my limited experience - with a dock all along side.> After a short motor (light wind on the nose) we took a mooring from Lyman> Morse in Camden foe a couple of days to explore the town. A night in the> Hartstone Inn where the beds were way too soft. And then on to the Fox> Island Thoroughfare, where we picked up an open mooring in Perry Creek,> where we stayed for three nights.> Then on to Stonington for a couple of nights on the dock at billings marine> and eventually back "home" to Rockland.> The weather was spectacular! Delightful temps in the day and cool evenings> as opposed to the high temps and humidity back in NJ. Very few bugs and the> few mosquitoes were kept at bay by a THERMACELL device that worked off a> camping gas can. Neither of us had a bite.> The personnel at the marinas were outstanding!!! Friendly and helpful> beyond> belief. Shout Outs to Charles and Celia (who was very interested in the> R22)> at  Lyman Morse, Don at Billings and Mark the Harbormaster at Rockland, who> helped us get the boat on the trailer.> So a few lessons learned on our first cruise:>> 1. Bring less stuff! The boat is small (duh) and the constant shifting of> bags to sleep or open the cabin is>    a pain. We used half of what we brought. I also brought too many tools,> which took up floor space.> 2 The Sea Eagle 370 is about as small a dinghy that can be stowed under the> seats and is fun - but wet.>    It tracks very well, so there is not much reason to need to stow it at> all.  Next time we will tow our>    small Achilles inflatable.> 3. The Igloo Cooler next to the icebox worked well, needing a couple of> bags> of ice every 2 days - and>     kept the food, seltzers and beer cold.> 4.  The Magma grill was good for the usual and even heated up locally> bought> pizza.>> Pix are here:> >> https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Rhodes-22-Radiant-2020-Penobscot-Bay-Sailing-Vacation/>>>> -----> Jeff Smith> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor> Atlantic Highlands, NJ>> --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/>------------------------------Message: 2Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 13:07:53 -0700 (MST)From: JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Maine Sailing Anyone?Message-ID: <1598472473040-0.post at n5.nabble.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-asciiThanks Jesse,Give me corrugated plastic, Gorilla Tape, pop-rivets and Velcro and I canbuild a 747.  It may not fly, but still...-----Jeff Smith2009 R22 #101 RADIANTAtlantic Highlands Municpal HarborAtlantic Highlands, NJ--Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:19:29 -0400From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer questionMessage-ID: <2A4AF9C5-D8A0-41D6-906E-9F64AB0B28F9 at sunnybeeches.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8When I retrieved my boat at the ramp at Snow Marine Park in Rockland, it was dead low tide.  The tidal range in this area is 10 feet or better.  The top of the ramp is pretty steep, but the bottom levels out quite a bit.  When I was down the ramp far enough that the tailpipe of my Toyota Tacoma was blowing bubbles, the front end of the bunks were still about 4? above the surface of the water.  I motored onto the trailer as fast as I dared, but came to a stop about 30? short of where I needed the boat to be on the trailer.  I tried to back the boat off the trailer for another run, but found I was stuck.  My only option was to try to winch the boat forward on the trailer.  I had no idea if this would actually work, but it did.  Actually, since the trailer was close to level, the boat ended up farther forward on the trailer than I think it?s ever been before.  Two lessons from this experience:1) slippery bunks can be a very good thing.2) launching at this ramp at low tide would not be possible.?Peter> On Aug 26, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> > my boat settles on its bunks like cradles  and rises up off them when launched  slick stuff on carpet ok if winching it up the rails like some ski boats my thought   Mark > > > -----Original Message-----> From: JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 3:38 pm> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer question> > My trailer shop recommended Marykate Liquid Rollers, a slippery spray for the> carpet.  He said his customers swear by it and it seems to work well by me.> > > > -----> Jeff Smith> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor> Atlantic Highlands, NJ> > --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/------------------------------Message: 4Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 16:26:36 -0400From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Maine Sailing Anyone?Message-ID: <443B5AF8-D7C5-440A-9CC2-E4E87628FFF9 at sunnybeeches.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8Jeff,Happy to hear that your trip was a success.  Your choice of destinations was quite different from mine, but different strokes?So the same Harbormaster who told you there was absolutely no overnight parking at Snow Park helped you put your boat on the trailer?  I?m still a bit puzzled by this whole parking thing.  But I assume, like me, your parking experience was just fine.I?ll probably be going back for another one week cruise in September.?Peter> On Aug 26, 2020, at 3:24 PM, JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:> > Radiant returned from Maine yesterday after 2 weeks on the road and sea.> After stopping at the local trailer place to replace a tail light (but they> both worked yesterday!) We drove for about 9 hours to Rockland and stayed in> the Harbor View Hotel for a couple of nights to load and prep the boat. > Hotels and restaurants make Emily happy and "Happy wife, etc." Thanks to> research by Peter Nyberg we had a good launch at the Snow Park Ramp - the> best in my limited experience - with a dock all along side.> After a short motor (light wind on the nose) we took a mooring from Lyman> Morse in Camden foe a couple of days to explore the town. A night in the> Hartstone Inn where the beds were way too soft. And then on to the Fox> Island Thoroughfare, where we picked up an open mooring in Perry Creek,> where we stayed for three nights.> Then on to Stonington for a couple of nights on the dock at billings marine> and eventually back "home" to Rockland.> The weather was spectacular! Delightful temps in the day and cool evenings> as opposed to the high temps and humidity back in NJ. Very few bugs and the> few mosquitoes were kept at bay by a THERMACELL device that worked off a> camping gas can. Neither of us had a bite.> The personnel at the marinas were outstanding!!! Friendly and helpful beyond> belief. Shout Outs to Charles and Celia (who was very interested in the R22)> at  Lyman Morse, Don at Billings and Mark the Harbormaster at Rockland, who> helped us get the boat on the trailer.> So a few lessons learned on our first cruise:> > 1. Bring less stuff! The boat is small (duh) and the constant shifting of> bags to sleep or open the cabin is >   a pain. We used half of what we brought. I also brought too many tools,> which took up floor space.> 2 The Sea Eagle 370 is about as small a dinghy that can be stowed under the> seats and is fun - but wet.  >   It tracks very well, so there is not much reason to need to stow it at> all.  Next time we will tow our >   small Achilles inflatable.  > 3. The Igloo Cooler next to the icebox worked well, needing a couple of bags> of ice every 2 days - and >    kept the food, seltzers and beer cold.> 4.  The Magma grill was good for the usual and even heated up locally bought> pizza.> > Pix are here:>> https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Rhodes-22-Radiant-2020-Penobscot-Bay-Sailing-Vacation/ > > > > -----> Jeff Smith> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor> Atlantic Highlands, NJ> > --> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/------------------------------Message: 5Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 15:33:25 -0500From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List	<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] SaildriveMessage-ID:	<CAEqJHY6WOsSAuP_s04QC5C0NE=p1WhGefeZygq-CCMqZNgDozQ at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"Stan had mentioned to me he had an idea where it would even retract, basedon some torqueedo parts.On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 2:17 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> Electric sail drive would be the ultimate.>> Sent from my iPhone>> > On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker <> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:> >> > ?Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than> most!> > I'm curious about your self tending jib.  I've only seen that feature on> > larger boats such as Island Packets.  Have you found the self tending jib> > to work well?> >> > Jesse Shumaker> > S/V Zephyr> >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>> >> wrote:> >>> >> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the keel.> >> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder> >> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't> >> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of> the> >> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel and> a> >> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll see.> >>> >> Mark> >>> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>> >> wrote:> >>> >>> Cory - that?s a really interesting install.> >>> Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?> >>> It would not work for my needs - it?s too deep.> >>> I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel, and> I> >>> would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft of> >> the> >>> end of the keel,  understanding that the motor head (probably electric> >> and> >>> smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the> cockpit> >>> floor.> >>> I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.> >>> Not sure that such a thing is even available.> >>> Thanks> >>>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP> >>> www.stottarchitecture.com> >>> Office  631-283-1777> >>> Cell            516-965-3164> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>> >>> wrote:> >>>>> >>>> Ric,> >>>>> >>>> Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source for> >>> the> >>>> zincs.> >>>>> >>>> Mark> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]> >>>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <> >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>> >>>> wrote:> >>>>> >>>>> Mark> >>>>> 15 HP is a lot of motor.> >>>>> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?> >>>>> Any pics of it under the boat?> >>>>> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?> >>>>> I?m dying to know more about this.> >>>>> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.> >>>>> Ric> >>>>> sv Dadventure> >>>>> HBNY> >>>>>> >>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP> >>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com> >>>>> Office  631-283-1777> >>>>> Cell            516-965-3164> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>> >>>>> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Richard,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha> >>>>> saildrive.> >>>>>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like> it> >>>>> will> >>>>>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom> >>>>>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially> out> >>> of> >>>>>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this> >> saildrive> >>>>>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I> >> like> >>>>> the> >>>>>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I> >> need> >>>>> to> >>>>>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that option,> >>> the> >>>>>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often a> >>>>> diesel.> >>>>>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so it's> >> not> >>>>>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the replacement> >>>>>> problem.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Mark> >>>>>>> >>>>>> --> >>>>>> Boston, MA> >>>>>>> >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*> >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*> >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>> >>>>>> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cary> >>>>>>> My ?84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8> went> >>> in> >>>>>>> the drink.> >>>>>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could> >>>>> continue> >>>>>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.> >>>>>>> Its a stinky smoky ?99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs> >>> when> >>>>>>> it need it - well almost always.> >>>>>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan> to> >>>>>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his> >> sketch)> >>> so> >>>>>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric> motor.> >>>>>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped> >>> with.> >>>>>>> I?ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design> >> of> >>>>>>> Mikes - that?s a winter project.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has> >>> pros> >>>>>>> and cons.> >>>>>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is> >>> father> >>>>>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger> >> waves,> >>>>>>> especially with weight on the bow.> >>>>>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the> >>> West> >>>>>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.> >>>>>>> (What I really want is an electric,  steerable, remote controlled,> >> 20> >>> hp> >>>>>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)> >>>>>>> It?s doable for approximately one tone of money.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.> >>>>>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.> >>>>>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and> >> easy> >>>>> to> >>>>>>> cary to the shore.> >>>>>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on> >> to> >>>>> the> >>>>>>> beach to pick up  provisions and of course my wife, who is not one> >> to> >>>>>>> paddle out to the boat.> >>>>>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes> >> put> >>>>> the> >>>>>>> stern right on the beach.> >>>>>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a> >>> huge> >>>>>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)> >>>>>>> Ric> >>>>>>> sv Dadventure> >>>>>>> stay tuned for ?motor mount mod? updates> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP> >>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>> >>>>>>> Office  631-283-1777> >>>>>>> Cell            516-965-3164> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>> >>>>> wrote:> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg> >>>>>>>> 20200825_174517.jpg> >>>>>>>> 4 MB> >>>>>>>> <> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=be1ab8c6c5&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-7374969717110164997&th=1742adb6a4937cb8&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=1742adb12d8c3f23bf81> >>>>>>>> Once> >>>>>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to> the> >>>>> lake> >>>>>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the> >>>>> motor> >>>>>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s> >> chain.> >>>>>>> Lucky> >>>>>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he> >> has> >>>>>>> long> >>>>>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the> starboard> >>>>>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My> >> question> >>>>> is> >>>>>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a> >>>>>>>> gerneric  system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say> >> something> >>>>>>> that> >>>>>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of> >>>>>>>> experience on the list> >>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86> >>>>>>>> Radford, VA> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> --> >>>>>> Boston, MA> >>>>>>> >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*> >>>>>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*> >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: 20200824_165705.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 652767 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment.jpg> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 61722 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment-0001.jpg> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 79585 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment-0002.jpg> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 200670 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment-0003.jpg> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------Message: 6Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:48:08 +0000 (UTC)From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] SaildriveMessage-ID: <2132503877.5941900.1598474888368 at mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8Believe that sailboat 2 maby 3 years ago was in the Annapolis boat show . think sold to some one on west cost Seattle? Stan did design and build one with Torpedo's equipment mounted inside lazaret? ? Mark-----Original Message-----From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 4:33 pmSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] SaildriveStan had mentioned to me he had an idea where it would even retract, basedon some torqueedo parts.On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 2:17 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> Electric sail drive would be the ultimate.>> Sent from my iPhone>> > On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker <> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:> >> > ?Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than> most!> > I'm curious about your self tending jib.? I've only seen that feature on> > larger boats such as Island Packets.? Have you found the self tending jib> > to work well?> >> > Jesse Shumaker> > S/V Zephyr> >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>> >> wrote:> >>> >> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the keel.> >> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder> >> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't> >> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of> the> >> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel and> a> >> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll see.> >>> >> Mark> >>> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>> >> wrote:> >>> >>> Cory - that?s a really interesting install.> >>> Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?> >>> It would not work for my needs - it?s too deep.> >>> I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel, and> I> >>> would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft of> >> the> >>> end of the keel,? understanding that the motor head (probably electric> >> and> >>> smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the> cockpit> >>> floor.> >>> I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.> >>> Not sure that such a thing is even available.> >>> Thanks> >>>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP> >>> www.stottarchitecture.com> >>> Office? 631-283-1777> >>> Cell? ? ? ? ? ? 516-965-3164> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>> >>> wrote:> >>>>> >>>> Ric,> >>>>> >>>> Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source for> >>> the> >>>> zincs.> >>>>> >>>> Mark> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]> >>>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <> >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>> >>>> wrote:> >>>>> >>>>> Mark> >>>>> 15 HP is a lot of motor.> >>>>> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?> >>>>> Any pics of it under the boat?> >>>>> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?> >>>>> I?m dying to know more about this.> >>>>> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.> >>>>> Ric> >>>>> sv Dadventure> >>>>> HBNY> >>>>>> >>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP> >>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com> >>>>> Office? 631-283-1777> >>>>> Cell? ? ? ? ? ? 516-965-3164> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>> >>>>> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Richard,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha> >>>>> saildrive.> >>>>>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like> it> >>>>> will> >>>>>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom> >>>>>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially> out> >>> of> >>>>>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this> >> saildrive> >>>>>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I> >> like> >>>>> the> >>>>>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I> >> need> >>>>> to> >>>>>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that option,> >>> the> >>>>>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often a> >>>>> diesel.> >>>>>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so it's> >> not> >>>>>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the replacement> >>>>>> problem.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Mark> >>>>>>> >>>>>> --> >>>>>> Boston, MA> >>>>>>> >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*> >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*> >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>> >>>>>> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cary> >>>>>>> My ?84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8> went> >>> in> >>>>>>> the drink.> >>>>>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could> >>>>> continue> >>>>>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.> >>>>>>> Its a stinky smoky ?99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs> >>> when> >>>>>>> it need it - well almost always.> >>>>>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan> to> >>>>>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his> >> sketch)> >>> so> >>>>>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric> motor.> >>>>>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped> >>> with.> >>>>>>> I?ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design> >> of> >>>>>>> Mikes - that?s a winter project.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has> >>> pros> >>>>>>> and cons.> >>>>>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is> >>> father> >>>>>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger> >> waves,> >>>>>>> especially with weight on the bow.> >>>>>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the> >>> West> >>>>>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.> >>>>>>> (What I really want is an electric,? steerable, remote controlled,> >> 20> >>> hp> >>>>>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)> >>>>>>> It?s doable for approximately one tone of money.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.> >>>>>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.> >>>>>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and> >> easy> >>>>> to> >>>>>>> cary to the shore.> >>>>>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on> >> to> >>>>> the> >>>>>>> beach to pick up? provisions and of course my wife, who is not one> >> to> >>>>>>> paddle out to the boat.> >>>>>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes> >> put> >>>>> the> >>>>>>> stern right on the beach.> >>>>>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a> >>> huge> >>>>>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)> >>>>>>> Ric> >>>>>>> sv Dadventure> >>>>>>> stay tuned for ?motor mount mod? updates> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP> >>>>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>> >>>>>>> Office? 631-283-1777> >>>>>>> Cell? ? ? ? ? ? 516-965-3164> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>> >>>>> wrote:> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg> >>>>>>>> 20200825_174517.jpg> >>>>>>>> 4 MB> >>>>>>>> <> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=be1ab8c6c5&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-7374969717110164997&th=1742adb6a4937cb8&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=1742adb12d8c3f23bf81> >>>>>>>> Once> >>>>>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to> the> >>>>> lake> >>>>>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the> >>>>> motor> >>>>>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s> >> chain.> >>>>>>> Lucky> >>>>>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he> >> has> >>>>>>> long> >>>>>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the> starboard> >>>>>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My> >> question> >>>>> is> >>>>>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a> >>>>>>>> gerneric? system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say> >> something> >>>>>>> that> >>>>>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of> >>>>>>>> experience on the list> >>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86> >>>>>>>> Radford, VA> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> --> >>>>>> Boston, MA> >>>>>>> >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*> >>>>>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*> >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: 20200824_165705.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 652767 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment.jpg> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 61722 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment-0001.jpg> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 79585 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment-0002.jpg> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 200670 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment-0003.jpg> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------Message: 7Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:59:50 +0000From: "Weiss, Robert L" <rweiss at siu.edu>To: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List	<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] SaildriveMessage-ID:	<DM6PR07MB4873E5C58CADD5D295CDFC3CC6540 at DM6PR07MB4873.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Three years ago I went out and did some volunteer work for Stan and also helped out at the boat show. I worked on that boat with the electric motor in the lazarette. He built a well in the lazarette and the motor was on a lift system that pulled it up into the well when not used so less drag. It was to be connected wirelessly to a throttle mounted on the gunnel.BobRobert L Weiss Jr.Director of MusicFirst United Methodist Carbondale, ILProfessor Emeritus, SIUC________________________________From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 3:48 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.Believe that sailboat 2 maby 3 years ago was in the Annapolis boat show . think sold to some one on west cost Seattle? Stan did design and build one with Torpedo's equipment mounted inside lazaret    Mark-----Original Message-----From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Sent: Wed, Aug 26, 2020 4:33 pmSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] SaildriveStan had mentioned to me he had an idea where it would even retract, basedon some torqueedo parts.On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 2:17 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> Electric sail drive would be the ultimate.>> Sent from my iPhone>> > On Aug 26, 2020, at 12:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker <> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:> >> > ?Mark, it sounds like your R22 has even more bells and whistles than> most!> > I'm curious about your self tending jib.  I've only seen that feature on> > larger boats such as Island Packets.  Have you found the self tending jib> > to work well?> >> > Jesse Shumaker> > S/V Zephyr> >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>> >> wrote:> >>> >> FWIW, I'm pretty sure the drive is at about the same depth as the keel.> >> I'll try to take a picture from the side later today. Also the rudder> >> redirects some of the prop wash since the prop is in front. I haven't> >> had it in the water yet this year (soon!) but I recall the feeling of> the> >> prop wash on the wheel was a little weird. Yes, my boat has a wheel and> a> >> self-tending jib, too. Not sure if it will get up on a plane. We'll see.> >>> >> Mark> >>> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:31 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>> >> wrote:> >>> >>> Cory - that?s a really interesting install.> >>> Is 15 HP enough to get on a plane?> >>> It would not work for my needs - it?s too deep.> >>> I would need the prop to be no deeper than the bottom of the keel, and> I> >>> would mount it in the middle of the cockpit floor, about a foot aft of> >> the> >>> end of the keel,  understanding that the motor head (probably electric> >> and> >>> smaller than the Yamaha head) would require a low cover above the> cockpit> >>> floor.> >>> I would also like it to be a steerable sail drive with a remote.> >>> Not sure that such a thing is even available.> >>> Thanks> >>>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.stottarchitecture.com__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763WQgVV9UQ$> >>> Office  631-283-1777> >>> Cell            516-965-3164> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 11:18 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>> >>> wrote:> >>>>> >>>> Ric,> >>>>> >>>> Here's a few pictures I dug up. I'm currently hunting for a source for> >>> the> >>>> zincs.> >>>>> >>>> Mark> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg]> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg]> >>>> [image: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> [image: 20200824_165705.jpg]> >>>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM Richard Stott <> >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>> >>>> wrote:> >>>>> >>>>> Mark> >>>>> 15 HP is a lot of motor.> >>>>> Can you show us a pic of where its mounted?> >>>>> Any pics of it under the boat?> >>>>> Can you share performance and maneuverability with us?> >>>>> I?m dying to know more about this.> >>>>> A steerable unit is my fantasy but a fixed one might work.> >>>>> Ric> >>>>> sv Dadventure> >>>>> HBNY> >>>>>> >>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP> >>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.stottarchitecture.com__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763WQgVV9UQ$> >>>>> Office  631-283-1777> >>>>> Cell            516-965-3164> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>> >>>>> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Richard,> >>>>>>> >>>>>> I purchased my 2000 R22 last year and it came with a 15hp Yamaha> >>>>> saildrive.> >>>>>> I haven't had a chance to use the boat much yet, but it seems like> it> >>>>> will> >>>>>> address many of the issues with an outboard on the transom> >>>>>> (raising/lowering, keeping the drive underwater).> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Unfortunately the company that made this saildrive is essentially> out> >>> of> >>>>>> business. I am concerned about what I'll have to do once this> >> saildrive> >>>>>> needs a part I can't get or needs a costly repair. I'm not sure I> >> like> >>>>> the> >>>>>> alternative solutions that involve a motor on the transom. Maybe I> >> need> >>>>> to> >>>>>> start saving my pennies toward a replacement. Regarding that option,> >>> the> >>>>>> saildrives I've seen tend to have larger engine than mine - often a> >>>>> diesel.> >>>>>> Mine is essentially a Yamaha (made by Parsun) outboard head so it's> >> not> >>>>>> very tall. Maybe I'll be lucky and not have to solve the replacement> >>>>>> problem.> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Mark> >>>>>>> >>>>>> --> >>>>>> Boston, MA> >>>>>>> >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*> >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*> >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM Richard Stott <> >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>> >>>>>> wrote:> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cary> >>>>>>> My ?84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8> went> >>> in> >>>>>>> the drink.> >>>>>>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could> >>>>> continue> >>>>>>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.> >>>>>>> Its a stinky smoky ?99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs> >>> when> >>>>>>> it need it - well almost always.> >>>>>>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan> to> >>>>>>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his> >> sketch)> >>> so> >>>>>>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric> motor.> >>>>>>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped> >>> with.> >>>>>>> I?ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design> >> of> >>>>>>> Mikes - that?s a winter project.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has> >>> pros> >>>>>>> and cons.> >>>>>>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is> >>> father> >>>>>>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger> >> waves,> >>>>>>> especially with weight on the bow.> >>>>>>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the> >>> West> >>>>>>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.> >>>>>>> (What I really want is an electric,  steerable, remote controlled,> >> 20> >>> hp> >>>>>>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.)> >>>>>>> It?s doable for approximately one tone of money.> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> One way I use the boat is unusual.> >>>>>>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.> >>>>>>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and> >> easy> >>>>> to> >>>>>>> cary to the shore.> >>>>>>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on> >> to> >>>>> the> >>>>>>> beach to pick up  provisions and of course my wife, who is not one> >> to> >>>>>>> paddle out to the boat.> >>>>>>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes> >> put> >>>>> the> >>>>>>> stern right on the beach.> >>>>>>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a> >>> huge> >>>>>>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year)> >>>>>>> Ric> >>>>>>> sv Dadventure> >>>>>>> stay tuned for ?motor mount mod? updates> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP> >>>>>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.stottarchitecture.com__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763WQgVV9UQ$  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.stottarchitecture.com/__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763Wr06h0Cg$ >> >>>>>>> Office  631-283-1777> >>>>>>> Cell            516-965-3164> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>> >>>>> wrote:> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg> >>>>>>>> 20200825_174517.jpg> >>>>>>>> 4 MB> >>>>>>>> <> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=be1ab8c6c5&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-7374969717110164997&th=1742adb6a4937cb8&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=1742adb12d8c3f23bf81__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763UrqbKnIw$> >>>>>>>> Once> >>>>>>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to> the> >>>>> lake> >>>>>>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the> >>>>> motor> >>>>>>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s> >> chain.> >>>>>>> Lucky> >>>>>>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he> >> has> >>>>>>> long> >>>>>>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the> starboard> >>>>>>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My> >> question> >>>>> is> >>>>>>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a> >>>>>>>> gerneric  system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say> >> something> >>>>>>> that> >>>>>>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of> >>>>>>>> experience on the list> >>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86> >>>>>>>> Radford, VA> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> --> >>>>>> Boston, MA> >>>>>>> >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*> >>>>>> 1986 Nimble 30 *For Sale*> >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: 20200824_165705.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 652767 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment.jpg__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763XjNYun2Q$> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: Rhodes 22 MA CL 03.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 61722 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment-0001.jpg__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763XDKlETPg$> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: Rhodes 22 MA CL 04.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 79585 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment-0002.jpg__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763XB6rYtFw$> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part --------------> >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> >>>> Name: Rhodes 22 MA CL 08.jpg> >>>> Type: image/jpeg> >>>> Size: 200670 bytes> >>>> Desc: not available> >>>> URL: <> >>>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200826/730b3b80/attachment-0003.jpg__;!!DAxFFaumoJbh!PlQA_WtyYkzS4GNoAcAUUzzOP244-mDGavysZjDcyuTVO4TkE54763UQRjoChQ$> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------Message: 8Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 21:05:47 +0000From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke awayMessage-ID:	<MN2PR18MB34779A57F542E25C362C5685D1540 at MN2PR18MB3477.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Richard:We installed electric actuators on the westmarine motor lift for a clean off the shelf type of solution.  Works pretty well and avoids a lot of fussy custom hardware.Christopher P. Cowie? ??4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119Washington DC, 20016202.270.1470 mobile[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]Please consider the environment before printing this email.-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard StottSent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:14 AMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke awayCaryMy ?84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8 went in the drink. I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could continue to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand. Its a stinky smoky ?99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs when it need it - well almost always. I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan to convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his sketch) so that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric motor. This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped with. I?ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design of Mikes - that?s a winter project. In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has pros and cons. One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is father aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger waves, especially with weight on the bow. I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the West marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need. (What I really want is an electric,  steerable, remote controlled, 20 hp sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.) It?s doable for approximately one tone of money. One way I use the boat is unusual.I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and easy to cary to the shore. I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on to the beach to pick up  provisions and of course my wife, who is not one to paddle out to the boat. Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes put the stern right on the beach.An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a huge asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year) Ric sv Dadventure stay tuned for ?motor mount mod? updatesRichard Stott, AIA, LEED APwww.stottarchitecture.com <http://www.stottarchitecture.com/> Office	631-283-1777Cell		516-965-3164 > On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:> > Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg> 20200825_174517.jpg> 4 MB> <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=be1ab8c6c5&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-7374969717110164997&th=1742adb6a4937cb8&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=1742adb12d8c3f23bf81>Once> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to the lake> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the motor> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s chain. Lucky> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he has long> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the starboard> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My question is> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a> gerneric  system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say something that> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of> experience on the list> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86> Radford, VA------------------------------Message: 9Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2020 21:07:40 +0000From: Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] SaildriveMessage-ID:	<MN2PR18MB34770C90A3D81024D96119FCD1540 at MN2PR18MB3477.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"I did a lot of research with sail drives and with torq