From rlowe at vt.edu Wed Jul 1 14:45:54 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 18:45:54 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?b?TW90b3IgbGlmdCDigJxiZWFyaW5nc+KAnT8=?= In-Reply-To: <8B9F422D-FDAA-4BA9-AE9B-3ADDD62169C8@stottarchitecture.com> References: , <8B9F422D-FDAA-4BA9-AE9B-3ADDD62169C8@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Since we are talking about motor mounts and bearings, here is what mine look like. Also a linear bearing that rides in a C channel. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Ric Stott Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 7:09 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor lift ?bearings?? Oliver and Roger A few more pics would be great. Dadventure motor mount report. I use a Mac and Nabble kicks off my attachments but if I could - I would show you my original mount broken which left my Yamaha 8 underwater. I bought a West Marine mount to use until I can rebuild and perhaps re-engineer my GB system. I also switched out the Yamaha (to receive a new carb, new starter alternator, wiring harness and new water pump impeller) for an old 2 cycle Merc I have. I don?t like the 16? throw west marine parallelogram mount even though it eliminates the need to tilt the motor. With the traveler in place, dealing with the motor is a PITA. It?s easy to remove, but not if you happen to be sailing, which of course it what you are supposed to be doing. I?ll let y?all know what happens next. Ric Dadventure HBNY Sent from my iPhone >> On Jun 29, 2020, at 1:34 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > ?Hi Olivier, > I'm trying to remember the details of exactly how the mount worked. We didn't pay it much attention though we may have added a stop at the bottom. I know the design kept evolving after we bought the boat in 1998 and as the boat was a 1991, it may have been a design from a previous year. > > I wonder how long that plastic had been fatigued and if that had something to do with your difficulties with the mount? I don't remember a whole lot of difficulty raising and lowering the motor and I'm not the strongest or most athletic sort. In spite of that, I did most of the raising and lowering. it did take moving close to the mount and raising it hand over hand. I guess it would have been more problematic if we were not always sailing with two people but it almost always went quickly. It did sometime take a nudge on the top of the motor to get it going down. > > Hope you find a quick fix and glad you are getting out a lot. > > Mary Lou > >> On 6/28/2020 1:16 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote: >> Thanks Roger. That is a lot different and looks like an upgrade! I wish >> I?d taken more pictures before leaving the boat at the yard again...I can >> do that the next time I?m there. Basically though, there are four round >> protrusions on the movable carriage in the mount at the four corners of >> that carriage. Those are the parts that fit inside the plastic bearings I?m >> trying to replace. BTW, those protrusions themselves look pretty work >> themselves so upgrading the carriage might be the best long-term idea. >> Raising and lowering the motor has always been very tough with this design. >> One of the many reasons I?m so hesitant to use the motor! Olivier >> >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >> >>> Olivier, >>> I?ve attached a close-up photo of the linear bearing on my GBI motor >>> mount. Note that it doesn?t seem at all like yours. My linear bearings >>> are T-shaped pieces of glass-filled PTFE that ride in 6061 T6 Aluminum >>> C-Channels. This design of linear bearing has a huge bearing surface area, >>> so the wear rate is minimal. The design is self flushing to keep abrasive >>> debris out of the bearing. Plus, the bearings can be easily swapped out >>> W/O disassembling the whole motor mount when replacement is required after >>> many, many service hours. I don?t know when GBI changed the design; but, >>> it might be helpful if you provided a few more photos of your motor mount. >>> Also, it might be helpful if you make a few measurements of the >>> ID/OD/Length of your bearings. They might be standard plastic pipe sizes >>> and easily sourced from Grainger, McMaster-Carr, or United States Plastics >>> Corp. >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D64D3C.17C68130] >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> From: Olivier Hecht >>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:01 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor lift ?bearings?? >>> Did 50 miles on Fretless from 3 pm Friday to 6 pm today, with a nice break >>> at a marina from 7 pm to 8 am! >>> An unpleasant part of the experience was dealing with the motor lift >>> getting crooked in the tracks because two of the four plastic ?bearings? >>> the mount rides on were worn out/missing. See pics. I sent a note to Stan >>> but also wanted to ask here if anyone has replaced these. Any tips on >>> replacing them without dismounting the motor if that?s possible? The side >>> tracks appear to come off and I was able to retrieve one of the bearings >>> that was loose in the track after parking the it on its trailer. Getting >>> new ones in will probably be harder though... >>> Thanks. 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Name: IMG_20200630_142723854.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3052703 bytes Desc: IMG_20200630_142723854.jpg URL: From stevenalm at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 15:29:48 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 14:29:48 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Recommendations? Where to buy replacement lines In-Reply-To: <8AB66732-0DBC-451B-B3DA-2955E54230F6@yahoo.com> References: <43C78572-2789-46A2-8CA2-57F4B0C765D2@sunnybeeches.com> <8AB66732-0DBC-451B-B3DA-2955E54230F6@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Larry. I replaced my centerboard line a few years ago. I did it on the trailer in the off season. Some boats have a block system that the line feeds through but mine does not. It's just a straight shot through to the diamond board and tied on to a little steel eye with a bowline. The setee and the companionway step is one big piece so that has to come off, and so while it was off I also ran new wiring to my bilge pump. My boat's a 1990 and the 60 or so bolts that secure the centerboard cap were phillips head (!) and every single one was a struggle to remove. I had to clip a vice grips to the nut on the underside and with two hands bear down hard for 1/4 turn at a time. Not fun! The ones in the back were especially challenging. Fortunately I have a big, salty vocabulary of special words that helped a lot! I replaced them with hex head bolts which were exponentially easier to put back in place with just a box wrench under and a ratchet on top. Take care to tension the bolts evenly, working from the middle towards the ends. Nice and snug but do not over tighten. I didn't use a torque wrench or anything - just extra care to be consistent. Luckily the big gasket was still in good shape and I just cleaned it up and reused it and I've had no leaks. To lift the board out I fed a length of bailing wire down either side of the board and then crawled under the boat and twisted the ends together, forming a big loop. It made for a "handle" to lift it out. Other than removing the original bolts, the project wasn't too bad. I'll post a photo. On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:14 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Thanks Peter! > > I?ve been reading some articles & watching some videos - always dangerous > - but polyester braid seems to be a common recommendation. So far the only > lines I?ve needed to replace are the one that holds the rudder up out of > the water and the one that tightens the 2 backstays together. Luckily the > one that controls the daggerboard is in good shape, as it looks pretty > tricky to replace. I?m hoping it can be done while the boat is on the stand > in the fall & winter (I think the stand was cut from a Triad trailer so > same as being on a trailer) - if anyone has a suggestion for doing that I?d > be most appreciative. Probably fine for several years but I?d rather do it > before it fails. > > Thanks again! > > Larry > ?14 R22 Language of Love > ?86 R22 > > > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > ?Larry, > > > > Somewhere back in history, someone on the list suggested that what you > want for the running rigging on a Rhodes 22 is polyester braid line. > Looking at the Defender website, the brand of polyester braid that looks > most like what came with my boat is Samson Trophy Braid. A blurb from the > product description: > > > > Samson Trophy Braid is a polyester double-braid with a soft, fuzzy cover > that's easy to hold in wet or dry conditions. > > > > I?m not sure if it?s exactly what Stan uses, but it seems similar. It > comes in white, black, blue, red, and green, and is sold by the foot. > > > > ?Peter > > > > > >> On Jun 29, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, > >> > >> My 2014 R22?s jib sheet, main sheet & halyards etc will probably need > replacement in a year or 2. Any recommendations for where to get them? I > really liked the blue ones that came with the boat when new, not sure where > Stan gets them - I assume he doesn?t sell replacements. Peter you mentioned > Defender Marine in CT for other items, I like ordering from them as ground > deliveries arrive the next day up here in the Adirondacks. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Larry > >> ?14 R22 Language of Love > >> ?86 R22 > >> > >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:46 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Since we are talking about motor mounts and bearings, here is what mine > look like. Also a linear bearing that rides in a C channel. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Ric > Stott > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 7:09 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor lift ?bearings?? > > Oliver and Roger > A few more pics would be great. > Dadventure motor mount report. > I use a Mac and Nabble kicks off my attachments but if I could - I would > show you my original mount broken which left my Yamaha 8 underwater. > I bought a West Marine mount to use until I can rebuild and perhaps > re-engineer my GB system. > I also switched out the Yamaha (to receive a new carb, new starter > alternator, wiring harness and new water pump impeller) for an old 2 cycle > Merc I have. I don?t like the 16? throw west marine parallelogram mount > even though it eliminates the need to tilt the motor. > With the traveler in place, dealing with the motor is a PITA. It?s easy to > remove, but not if you happen to be sailing, which of course it what you > are supposed to be doing. > I?ll let y?all know what happens next. > Ric > Dadventure > HBNY > Sent from my iPhone > > >> On Jun 29, 2020, at 1:34 AM, Mary Lou Troy > wrote: > > ?Hi Olivier, > > I'm trying to remember the details of exactly how the mount worked. We > didn't pay it much attention though we may have added a stop at the bottom. > I know the design kept evolving after we bought the boat in 1998 and as the > boat was a 1991, it may have been a design from a previous year. > > > > I wonder how long that plastic had been fatigued and if that had > something to do with your difficulties with the mount? I don't remember a > whole lot of difficulty raising and lowering the motor and I'm not the > strongest or most athletic sort. In spite of that, I did most of the > raising and lowering. it did take moving close to the mount and raising it > hand over hand. I guess it would have been more problematic if we were not > always sailing with two people but it almost always went quickly. It did > sometime take a nudge on the top of the motor to get it going down. > > > > Hope you find a quick fix and glad you are getting out a lot. > > > > Mary Lou > > > >> On 6/28/2020 1:16 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote: > >> Thanks Roger. That is a lot different and looks like an upgrade! I wish > >> I?d taken more pictures before leaving the boat at the yard again...I > can > >> do that the next time I?m there. Basically though, there are four round > >> protrusions on the movable carriage in the mount at the four corners of > >> that carriage. Those are the parts that fit inside the plastic bearings > I?m > >> trying to replace. BTW, those protrusions themselves look pretty work > >> themselves so upgrading the carriage might be the best long-term idea. > >> Raising and lowering the motor has always been very tough with this > design. > >> One of the many reasons I?m so hesitant to use the motor! Olivier > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Olivier, > >>> I?ve attached a close-up photo of the linear bearing on my GBI motor > >>> mount. Note that it doesn?t seem at all like yours. My linear > bearings > >>> are T-shaped pieces of glass-filled PTFE that ride in 6061 T6 Aluminum > >>> C-Channels. This design of linear bearing has a huge bearing surface > area, > >>> so the wear rate is minimal. The design is self flushing to keep > abrasive > >>> debris out of the bearing. Plus, the bearings can be easily swapped > out > >>> W/O disassembling the whole motor mount when replacement is required > after > >>> many, many service hours. I don?t know when GBI changed the design; > but, > >>> it might be helpful if you provided a few more photos of your motor > mount. > >>> Also, it might be helpful if you make a few measurements of the > >>> ID/OD/Length of your bearings. They might be standard plastic pipe > sizes > >>> and easily sourced from Grainger, McMaster-Carr, or United States > Plastics > >>> Corp. > >>> Roger Pihlaja > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D64D3C.17C68130] > >>> Sent from Mail for > >>> Windows 10 > >>> From: Olivier Hecht > >>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:01 PM > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor lift ?bearings?? > >>> Did 50 miles on Fretless from 3 pm Friday to 6 pm today, with a nice > break > >>> at a marina from 7 pm to 8 am! > >>> An unpleasant part of the experience was dealing with the motor lift > >>> getting crooked in the tracks because two of the four plastic > ?bearings? > >>> the mount rides on were worn out/missing. See pics. I sent a note to > Stan > >>> but also wanted to ask here if anyone has replaced these. Any tips on > >>> replacing them without dismounting the motor if that?s possible? The > side > >>> tracks appear to come off and I was able to retrieve one of the > bearings > >>> that was loose in the track after parking the it on its trailer. > Getting > >>> new ones in will probably be harder though... > >>> Thanks. Olivier > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: IMG_0124.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpg > >>> Size: 2110648 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: < > >>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200627/b841e8e0/attachment.jpg > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: IMG_0125.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpg > >>> Size: 614559 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: < > >>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200627/b841e8e0/attachment-0001.jpg > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: BF18051D5E90405A940F1CBA91227825.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 174549 bytes > >>> Desc: BF18051D5E90405A940F1CBA91227825.jpg > >>> URL: < > >>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200628/24d54a79/attachment.jpg > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200630_142723854.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3052703 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200630_142723854.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200701/1b7df72b/attachment.jpg > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Wed Jul 1 16:10:12 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 20:10:12 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?b?TW90b3IgbGlmdCDigJxiZWFyaW5nc+KAnT8=?= In-Reply-To: References: <8B9F422D-FDAA-4BA9-AE9B-3ADDD62169C8@stottarchitecture.com> , Message-ID: Olivier, Getting in touch with Stan can be a challenge at times. Try stan at generalboats.com. I expect the new trolley uses the 'linear bearings'. It seems to be the way Stan has gone lately. The slide pieces are likely made from Starboard or, as in Roger's case, PTFE. The material can be cut and shaped as needed to fit. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Olivier Hecht Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 3:50 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor lift ?bearings?? Thanks Rob. So far I?ve been unable to reach Stan by email or phone...I get a ?Google phone disconnected? message for the latter. I?d like to replace the round bearings I have in the short term at least as I consider getting a new ?trolley?. That part is available on the parts site for $600 but I?m unsure if it has the linear bearings and, if so, if it would be compatible with the rails I already have. Does anyone know what these types of plastic bearings might be made of? It feels like a fairly hard (and brittle) type of plastic. Maybe it?s a common part from something else? On Wed, Jul 1, 2020 at 2:46 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Since we are talking about motor mounts and bearings, here is what mine > look like. Also a linear bearing that rides in a C channel. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Ric > Stott > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 7:09 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor lift ?bearings?? > > Oliver and Roger > A few more pics would be great. > Dadventure motor mount report. > I use a Mac and Nabble kicks off my attachments but if I could - I would > show you my original mount broken which left my Yamaha 8 underwater. > I bought a West Marine mount to use until I can rebuild and perhaps > re-engineer my GB system. > I also switched out the Yamaha (to receive a new carb, new starter > alternator, wiring harness and new water pump impeller) for an old 2 cycle > Merc I have. I don?t like the 16? throw west marine parallelogram mount > even though it eliminates the need to tilt the motor. > With the traveler in place, dealing with the motor is a PITA. It?s easy to > remove, but not if you happen to be sailing, which of course it what you > are supposed to be doing. > I?ll let y?all know what happens next. > Ric > Dadventure > HBNY > Sent from my iPhone > > >> On Jun 29, 2020, at 1:34 AM, Mary Lou Troy > wrote: > > ?Hi Olivier, > > I'm trying to remember the details of exactly how the mount worked. We > didn't pay it much attention though we may have added a stop at the bottom. > I know the design kept evolving after we bought the boat in 1998 and as the > boat was a 1991, it may have been a design from a previous year. > > > > I wonder how long that plastic had been fatigued and if that had > something to do with your difficulties with the mount? I don't remember a > whole lot of difficulty raising and lowering the motor and I'm not the > strongest or most athletic sort. In spite of that, I did most of the > raising and lowering. it did take moving close to the mount and raising it > hand over hand. I guess it would have been more problematic if we were not > always sailing with two people but it almost always went quickly. It did > sometime take a nudge on the top of the motor to get it going down. > > > > Hope you find a quick fix and glad you are getting out a lot. > > > > Mary Lou > > > >> On 6/28/2020 1:16 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote: > >> Thanks Roger. That is a lot different and looks like an upgrade! I wish > >> I?d taken more pictures before leaving the boat at the yard again...I > can > >> do that the next time I?m there. Basically though, there are four round > >> protrusions on the movable carriage in the mount at the four corners of > >> that carriage. Those are the parts that fit inside the plastic bearings > I?m > >> trying to replace. BTW, those protrusions themselves look pretty work > >> themselves so upgrading the carriage might be the best long-term idea. > >> Raising and lowering the motor has always been very tough with this > design. > >> One of the many reasons I?m so hesitant to use the motor! Olivier > >> > >> On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 11:05 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Olivier, > >>> I?ve attached a close-up photo of the linear bearing on my GBI motor > >>> mount. Note that it doesn?t seem at all like yours. My linear > bearings > >>> are T-shaped pieces of glass-filled PTFE that ride in 6061 T6 Aluminum > >>> C-Channels. This design of linear bearing has a huge bearing surface > area, > >>> so the wear rate is minimal. The design is self flushing to keep > abrasive > >>> debris out of the bearing. Plus, the bearings can be easily swapped > out > >>> W/O disassembling the whole motor mount when replacement is required > after > >>> many, many service hours. I don?t know when GBI changed the design; > but, > >>> it might be helpful if you provided a few more photos of your motor > mount. > >>> Also, it might be helpful if you make a few measurements of the > >>> ID/OD/Length of your bearings. They might be standard plastic pipe > sizes > >>> and easily sourced from Grainger, McMaster-Carr, or United States > Plastics > >>> Corp. > >>> Roger Pihlaja > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D64D3C.17C68130] > >>> Sent from Mail for > >>> Windows 10 > >>> From: Olivier Hecht > >>> Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:01 PM > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor lift ?bearings?? > >>> Did 50 miles on Fretless from 3 pm Friday to 6 pm today, with a nice > break > >>> at a marina from 7 pm to 8 am! > >>> An unpleasant part of the experience was dealing with the motor lift > >>> getting crooked in the tracks because two of the four plastic > ?bearings? > >>> the mount rides on were worn out/missing. See pics. I sent a note to > Stan > >>> but also wanted to ask here if anyone has replaced these. Any tips on > >>> replacing them without dismounting the motor if that?s possible? The > side > >>> tracks appear to come off and I was able to retrieve one of the > bearings > >>> that was loose in the track after parking the it on its trailer. > Getting > >>> new ones in will probably be harder though... > >>> Thanks. 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I was backing my boat around in a parking lot and wasn't paying attention and backed into a light pole I didn't see. During first examination all looked well, but upon further review I apparently hit the motor mount and cracked the transom. Not badly, but enough that I don't want to splash until I fix this. Attached are several photos. My first question is how to you get the rail for the motor mount off? I removed the screws holding if from inside the laz but it won't budge. Is it maybe glued on or something? I think i can make the repairs working around the motor mount, but it sure would be easier to work on removed. As the photos show, their is a crack visible to the 'right side' of the mount but it's not visible on the 'left side' of the motor mount on the exterior of the boat. Now from the interior of the laz its a different story. You can see the crack on both sides of the motor mount rail but I can get to the laz side pretty easily. 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They will be a tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You can't fix stupid!" Good luck! ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Jul 1 17:09:08 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 17:09:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2293A718-441C-461D-9AB4-B29D2A99DBEF@sunnybeeches.com> Rob, After launching my boat a few weeks ago, as I was getting ready to leave the ramp area with the empty trailer, I backed it into the side of someone else?s trailer and completely smashed one of my tail lights. No other damage, fortunately, but it?s a humbling experience. I can?t imaging what?s keeping the mount in place after the bolts have been removed. There would be no reason to use an adhesive, or even a sealant between the mount and the transom. In looking at the picture inside the lazarette, it looks like the starboard side of the motor mount is just bolted to the fiberglass without any kind of backing other than the washers. My boat has a wood backing plate epoxied to the inside of the transom in that location, similar to the one for the rudder mounting hardware. Since you?re going to be working in this area anyway, adding a backing plate is worth considering. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Jul 1, 2020, at 4:41 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Ok, I screwed up and I need some help. I was backing my boat around in a parking lot and wasn't paying attention and backed into a light pole I didn't see. During first examination all looked well, but upon further review I apparently hit the motor mount and cracked the transom. Not badly, but enough that I don't want to splash until I fix this. Attached are several photos. > > My first question is how to you get the rail for the motor mount off? I removed the screws holding if from inside the laz but it won't budge. Is it maybe glued on or something? I think i can make the repairs working around the motor mount, but it sure would be easier to work on removed. As the photos show, their is a crack visible to the 'right side' of the mount but it's not visible on the 'left side' of the motor mount on the exterior of the boat. Now from the interior of the laz its a different story. You can see the crack on both sides of the motor mount rail but I can get to the laz side pretty easily. I think i can patch the interior, it's the exterior that has me worried. > > Any and all advice appreciated. Including the 'watch out when you are backing up' line. Don't you hate it when you do something stupid! - rob > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200630_142715119a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 268249 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200630_142715119a.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200630_142748206a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 254943 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200630_142748206a.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200630_143625262a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 295304 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200630_143625262a.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200630_143002789a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 421029 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200630_143002789a.jpg > URL: From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Wed Jul 1 17:16:16 2020 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 21:16:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <169374211.815882.1593638176490@mail.yahoo.com> ours was screwed from inside laz through transom in to plastic rails and top had bolts an nuts and silicone best luck on repairs and I expect everyone? of use has had character building moments that turn in opportunity's? ?? Mark West? -----Original Message----- From: Lowe, Rob To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 4:41 pm Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Ok, I screwed up and I need some help.? I was backing my boat around in a parking lot and wasn't paying attention and backed into a light pole I didn't see.? During first examination all looked well, but upon further review I apparently hit the motor mount and cracked the transom.? Not badly, but enough that I don't want to splash until I fix this.? Attached are several photos. My first question is how to you get the rail for the motor mount off?? I removed the screws holding if from inside the laz but it won't budge.? Is it maybe glued on or something?? I think i can make the repairs working around the motor mount, but it sure would be easier to work on removed.? As the photos show, their is a crack visible to the 'right side' of the mount but it's not visible on the 'left side' of the motor mount on the exterior of the boat.? Now from the interior of the laz its a different story.? You can see the crack on both sides of the motor mount rail but I can get to the laz side pretty easily.? I think i can patch the interior, it's the exterior that has me worried. Any and all advice appreciated.? Including the 'watch out when you are backing up' line.? Don't you hate it when you do something stupid!? - rob -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200630_142715119a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 268249 bytes Desc: IMG_20200630_142715119a.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200630_142748206a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 254943 bytes Desc: IMG_20200630_142748206a.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mine works fine and has plenty of depth in a following sea. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed Jul 1 18:01:26 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2020 18:01:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rob,Don't you just wish life had an undo button?The damage is too close to the bottom to make a mistake. Even though I have done all repairs to my two Rhodes 22s, I might opt for a pro on this kind of damage. If not done right, motor vibration might cause significant stress at the repair with a particularly bad outcome close to the waterline. If a pro fixes it, at least you will be able to blame someone else for what had started out as your mistake.I would also consider glossing in or using epoxy to attach plywood to the laz side to beef up the glass. The 9.9hp 100 lbs. engines can cause quite a bit of structural stress when cranked,? not to mention what happens when the engine strikes something like a dock.Does your auto or boat insurance cover the loss? Always look to make someone else pay for your mistake.?Mikes/v Wind Lass '91Nissequogue NY -------- Original message --------From: "Lowe, Rob" Date: 7/1/20 4:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Ok, I screwed up and I need some help.? I was backing my boat around in a parking lot and wasn't paying attention and backed into a light pole I didn't see.? During first examination all looked well, but upon further review I apparently hit the motor mount and cracked the transom.? Not badly, but enough that I don't want to splash until I fix this.? Attached are several photos.My first question is how to you get the rail for the motor mount off?? I removed the screws holding if from inside the laz but it won't budge.? Is it maybe glued on or something?? I think i can make the repairs working around the motor mount, but it sure would be easier to work on removed.? As the photos show, their is a crack visible to the 'right side' of the mount but it's not visible on the 'left side' of the motor mount on the exterior of the boat.? Now from the interior of the laz its a different story.? You can see the crack on both sides of the motor mount rail but I can get to the laz side pretty easily.? I think i can patch the interior, it's the exterior that has me worried.Any and all advice appreciated.? Including the 'watch out when you are backing up' line.? 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It is just the old manual lift. I removed all of the bolts but the bracket was stuck to the transom so firmly I could not remove it without damaging the fiberglass. I concluded that the bracket had been installed with a high adhesive sealant like 5200. Removing 5200 generally requires either a grinder or dynamite and neither alternative appealed to me. After a search for solutions on the internet I came across a product called DeBond. You are instructed to score the edge of the joint, apply DeBond and after a few minutes the joint can be separated without damage to the fiberglass. I bought the stuff and applied it to the join, waited a few minutes and .....nothing. I repeated the process but the bracket would not budge. I decided that the product was just hype and decided to somehow paint with the bracket installed. As it turned out I got involved in other projects and let the matter stall. Several months later I noticed that the bracket had fallen off the transom under it own weight - which being cast aluminum wasn't much. I have no idea how long it had been on the ground before I noticed. The point of all this is to say that Debond works but might take a while and you need to be very very patient. The second point is that because it worked it seems likely that something like 5200 was used to affix the bracket. That is my experience - for what it is worth. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:09 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Rob, Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off because we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used and it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. A call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you do get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You can't fix stupid!" Good luck! ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mark at whipplefamily.com Thu Jul 2 07:11:46 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 07:11:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: <01e701d6501b$8c31eeb0$a495cc10$@ca> References: <1593637710366-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <01e701d6501b$8c31eeb0$a495cc10$@ca> Message-ID: I've often read that the way to deal with 5200 is heat, specifically heating piano wire and then using it to slice through the joint made with 5200 (AKA the Devil's glue). Mark On Wed, Jul 1, 2020, 10:50 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rob: > > This might be a totally irrelevant to your situation but when I was > repainting my transom I wanted to remove the motor lift. It is just the old > manual lift. I removed all of the bolts but the bracket was stuck to the > transom so firmly I could not remove it without damaging the fiberglass. I > concluded that the bracket had been installed with a high adhesive sealant > like 5200. Removing 5200 generally requires either a grinder or dynamite > and > neither alternative appealed to me. > > After a search for solutions on the internet I came across a product called > DeBond. You are instructed to score the edge of the joint, apply DeBond and > after a few minutes the joint can be separated without damage to the > fiberglass. > > I bought the stuff and applied it to the join, waited a few minutes and > .....nothing. I repeated the process but the bracket would not budge. I > decided that the product was just hype and decided to somehow paint with > the > bracket installed. As it turned out I got involved in other projects and > let > the matter stall. Several months later I noticed that the bracket had > fallen > off the transom under it own weight - which being cast aluminum wasn't > much. > I have no idea how long it had been on the ground before I noticed. > > The point of all this is to say that Debond works but might take a while > and > you need to be very very patient. The second point is that because it > worked > it seems likely that something like 5200 was used to affix the bracket. > > That is my experience - for what it is worth. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Joe Dempsey > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:09 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity > > Rob, > Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off > because > we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement > inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the > rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its > simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used > and > it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. > A > call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you > do > get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a > tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of > those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You > can't fix stupid!" Good luck! > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Jul 2 08:40:40 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:40:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Michael, There are many times in life i wish there was an undo button. I agree with the concerns about the stress. I plan to epoxy in some plywood in the laz to reinforce that whole area. It looks a bit weak as it is and readily accessible and will not be visible. I hear letting a pro do it, and I still might, but we're in an area where few marine shops are located in the first place. We shall see. Thanks for the feedback. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 6:01 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Rob,Don't you just wish life had an undo button?The damage is too close to the bottom to make a mistake. Even though I have done all repairs to my two Rhodes 22s, I might opt for a pro on this kind of damage. If not done right, motor vibration might cause significant stress at the repair with a particularly bad outcome close to the waterline. If a pro fixes it, at least you will be able to blame someone else for what had started out as your mistake.I would also consider glossing in or using epoxy to attach plywood to the laz side to beef up the glass. The 9.9hp 100 lbs. engines can cause quite a bit of structural stress when cranked, not to mention what happens when the engine strikes something like a dock.Does your auto or boat insurance cover the loss? Always look to make someone else pay for your mistake. Mikes/v Wind Lass '91Nissequogue NY -------- Original message --------From: "Lowe, Rob" Date: 7/1/20 4:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Ok, I screwed up and I need some help. I was backing my boat around in a parking lot and wasn't paying attention and backed into a light pole I didn't see. During first examination all looked well, but upon further review I apparently hit the motor mount and cracked the transom. Not badly, but enough that I don't want to splash until I fix this. Attached are several photos.My first question is how to you get the rail for the motor mount off? I removed the screws holding if from inside the laz but it won't budge. Is it maybe glued on or something? I think i can make the repairs working around the motor mount, but it sure would be easier to work on removed. As the photos show, their is a crack visible to the 'right side' of the mount but it's not visible on the 'left side' of the motor mount on the exterior of the boat. Now from the interior of the laz its a different story. You can see the crack on both sides of the motor mount rail but I can get to the laz side pretty easily. I think i can patch the interior, it's the exterior that has me worried.Any and all advice appreciated. Including the 'watch out when you are backing up' line. 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Yes, we'll call this an unfortunate accidents, which can be fixed. I'll let the list know how I proceed and will document as I go. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Joe Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:08 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Rob, Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off because we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used and it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. A call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you do get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You can't fix stupid!" Good luck! ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Jul 2 08:54:48 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:54:48 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: <169374211.815882.1593638176490@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <169374211.815882.1593638176490@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mark. That's what I'm seeing so far. Screwed from inside the laz as well as well as a top screw. I'm going to investigate some more today. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mark West via Rhodes22-list Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:16 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity ours was screwed from inside laz through transom in to plastic rails and top had bolts an nuts and silicone best luck on repairs and I expect everyone of use has had character building moments that turn in opportunity's Mark West -----Original Message----- From: Lowe, Rob To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 4:41 pm Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Ok, I screwed up and I need some help. I was backing my boat around in a parking lot and wasn't paying attention and backed into a light pole I didn't see. During first examination all looked well, but upon further review I apparently hit the motor mount and cracked the transom. Not badly, but enough that I don't want to splash until I fix this. Attached are several photos. My first question is how to you get the rail for the motor mount off? I removed the screws holding if from inside the laz but it won't budge. Is it maybe glued on or something? I think i can make the repairs working around the motor mount, but it sure would be easier to work on removed. As the photos show, their is a crack visible to the 'right side' of the mount but it's not visible on the 'left side' of the motor mount on the exterior of the boat. Now from the interior of the laz its a different story. You can see the crack on both sides of the motor mount rail but I can get to the laz side pretty easily. I think i can patch the interior, it's the exterior that has me worried. Any and all advice appreciated. Including the 'watch out when you are backing up' line. 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It is just the old manual lift. I removed all of the bolts but the bracket was stuck to the transom so firmly I could not remove it without damaging the fiberglass. I concluded that the bracket had been installed with a high adhesive sealant like 5200. Removing 5200 generally requires either a grinder or dynamite and neither alternative appealed to me. After a search for solutions on the internet I came across a product called DeBond. You are instructed to score the edge of the joint, apply DeBond and after a few minutes the joint can be separated without damage to the fiberglass. I bought the stuff and applied it to the join, waited a few minutes and .....nothing. I repeated the process but the bracket would not budge. I decided that the product was just hype and decided to somehow paint with the bracket installed. As it turned out I got involved in other projects and let the matter stall. Several months later I noticed that the bracket had fallen off the transom under it own weight - which being cast aluminum wasn't much. I have no idea how long it had been on the ground before I noticed. The point of all this is to say that Debond works but might take a while and you need to be very very patient. The second point is that because it worked it seems likely that something like 5200 was used to affix the bracket. That is my experience - for what it is worth. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:09 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Rob, Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off because we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used and it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. A call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you do get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You can't fix stupid!" Good luck! ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Thu Jul 2 09:29:24 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 09:29:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: References: <1593637710366-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <01e701d6501b$8c31eeb0$a495cc10$@ca> Message-ID: <22FBB2B7-9CF0-42F0-9D69-F01F3E4D55B3@stottarchitecture.com> Rob Someone suggested contacting your insurance company - i think Mike, and I agree. Embarrassing mistakes that make experienced sailors feel stupid are just what insurance is for - don?t let you ego get in the way, make the call. I use geico boat insurance through boat us. they have been very good and fair to me. I did NOT file a claim for my 'centerboard through the cap and trunk" event last fall because of an immediate trip to Europe interrupted by a serious illness and subsequent death in the family, interrupted by corona. Besides, I felt embarrassed and stupid and felt like it was my fault, AND I knew there was nobody to fix it other than me - so I didn?t?t make the claim. I wish I had filed the claim, which I think is too late now. I did file a claim for my broken motor mount and sunken Yamaha. They did not cover the rot for the mount and will not pay for that, but it looks like I?ll get some settlement to pay for motor repairs, even if I perform those myself or buy a new motor. It?s worth a call and a cost estimate form a Pro and in some cases they can determine a settlement price without service provider estimates, especially if providers are limited. Ric Dadventure HBNY PS - Loved the ?DeBond? story. Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Jul 2, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Graham, > Thank you for that info. I'm not sure if the mount is attached with sealant or not but it wasn't budging and I didn't want to force it. I be taking a closer look at it later today and I'll look for sealant. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 10:50 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity > > Rob: > > This might be a totally irrelevant to your situation but when I was > repainting my transom I wanted to remove the motor lift. It is just the old > manual lift. I removed all of the bolts but the bracket was stuck to the > transom so firmly I could not remove it without damaging the fiberglass. I > concluded that the bracket had been installed with a high adhesive sealant > like 5200. Removing 5200 generally requires either a grinder or dynamite and > neither alternative appealed to me. > > After a search for solutions on the internet I came across a product called > DeBond. You are instructed to score the edge of the joint, apply DeBond and > after a few minutes the joint can be separated without damage to the > fiberglass. > > I bought the stuff and applied it to the join, waited a few minutes and > .....nothing. I repeated the process but the bracket would not budge. I > decided that the product was just hype and decided to somehow paint with the > bracket installed. As it turned out I got involved in other projects and let > the matter stall. Several months later I noticed that the bracket had fallen > off the transom under it own weight - which being cast aluminum wasn't much. > I have no idea how long it had been on the ground before I noticed. > > The point of all this is to say that Debond works but might take a while and > you need to be very very patient. The second point is that because it worked > it seems likely that something like 5200 was used to affix the bracket. > > That is my experience - for what it is worth. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Joe Dempsey > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:09 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity > > Rob, > Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off because > we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement > inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the > rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its > simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used and > it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. A > call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you do > get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a > tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of > those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You > can't fix stupid!" Good luck! > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Jul 2 09:37:18 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 13:37:18 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: <22FBB2B7-9CF0-42F0-9D69-F01F3E4D55B3@stottarchitecture.com> References: <1593637710366-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <01e701d6501b$8c31eeb0$a495cc10$@ca> , <22FBB2B7-9CF0-42F0-9D69-F01F3E4D55B3@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric, Thanks for the info. i might just follow up on that. I also have Geigo Boat Insurance through US Boat. Yes, insurance is for mistakes, even if you caused it. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Richard Stott Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:29 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Rob Someone suggested contacting your insurance company - i think Mike, and I agree. Embarrassing mistakes that make experienced sailors feel stupid are just what insurance is for - don?t let you ego get in the way, make the call. I use geico boat insurance through boat us. they have been very good and fair to me. I did NOT file a claim for my 'centerboard through the cap and trunk" event last fall because of an immediate trip to Europe interrupted by a serious illness and subsequent death in the family, interrupted by corona. Besides, I felt embarrassed and stupid and felt like it was my fault, AND I knew there was nobody to fix it other than me - so I didn?t?t make the claim. I wish I had filed the claim, which I think is too late now. I did file a claim for my broken motor mount and sunken Yamaha. They did not cover the rot for the mount and will not pay for that, but it looks like I?ll get some settlement to pay for motor repairs, even if I perform those myself or buy a new motor. It?s worth a call and a cost estimate form a Pro and in some cases they can determine a settlement price without service provider estimates, especially if providers are limited. Ric Dadventure HBNY PS - Loved the ?DeBond? story. Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Jul 2, 2020, at 9:02 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Graham, > Thank you for that info. I'm not sure if the mount is attached with sealant or not but it wasn't budging and I didn't want to force it. I be taking a closer look at it later today and I'll look for sealant. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 10:50 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity > > Rob: > > This might be a totally irrelevant to your situation but when I was > repainting my transom I wanted to remove the motor lift. It is just the old > manual lift. I removed all of the bolts but the bracket was stuck to the > transom so firmly I could not remove it without damaging the fiberglass. I > concluded that the bracket had been installed with a high adhesive sealant > like 5200. Removing 5200 generally requires either a grinder or dynamite and > neither alternative appealed to me. > > After a search for solutions on the internet I came across a product called > DeBond. You are instructed to score the edge of the joint, apply DeBond and > after a few minutes the joint can be separated without damage to the > fiberglass. > > I bought the stuff and applied it to the join, waited a few minutes and > .....nothing. I repeated the process but the bracket would not budge. I > decided that the product was just hype and decided to somehow paint with the > bracket installed. As it turned out I got involved in other projects and let > the matter stall. Several months later I noticed that the bracket had fallen > off the transom under it own weight - which being cast aluminum wasn't much. > I have no idea how long it had been on the ground before I noticed. > > The point of all this is to say that Debond works but might take a while and > you need to be very very patient. The second point is that because it worked > it seems likely that something like 5200 was used to affix the bracket. > > That is my experience - for what it is worth. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Joe Dempsey > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:09 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity > > Rob, > Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off because > we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement > inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the > rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its > simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used and > it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. A > call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you do > get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a > tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of > those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You > can't fix stupid!" Good luck! > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From joedempsey at hughes.net Thu Jul 2 13:05:53 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 10:05:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] PARTS - 4 Pin connector Message-ID: <1593709553490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I have a New, in its original packaging 4 pin Electrical connector for the deck to mast connection. See photos. I had a case of "stupid" and bought it when I already had one. They're hard to find, in fact it looks like Sea-Dog no longer makes it. I paid $25.00 + $14 shipping. Make an offer. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From john_carlson at mac.com Thu Jul 2 18:26:32 2020 From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:26:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] PARTS - 4 Pin connector In-Reply-To: <1593709553490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1593709553490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Joe, your picture didn?t make it through ? but if it is a match for what I?ve got, I would love to have a backup. I?d pay $25. > On Jul 2, 2020, at 12:05 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > I have a New, in its original packaging 4 pin Electrical connector for the > deck to mast connection. See photos. I had a case of "stupid" and bought it > when I already had one. They're hard to find, in fact it looks like Sea-Dog > no longer makes it. I paid $25.00 + $14 shipping. Make an offer. > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lgioia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 2 23:05:01 2020 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 23:05:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Recommendations? Where to buy replacement lines In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BF84139-9FD9-431B-8486-0A8798546A2C@yahoo.com> Thank you for the details Steven! Wow that?s a big job - I was hoping when the daggerboard/diamondboard drops down fully that the steel eye with the bowline tied to it was accessible from underneath. Guess I?d better brush up on my salty vocabulary to prepare! I suspect I won?t need to replace it for years but am always thinking ?what if that line breaks?? Thanks again! Larry > On Jul 1, 2020, at 3:30 PM, Steven Alm wrote: > > ? > Hi Larry. I replaced my centerboard line a few years ago. I did it on the trailer in the off season. Some boats have a block system that the line feeds through but mine does not. It's just a straight shot through to the diamond board and tied on to a little steel eye with a bowline. The setee and the companionway step is one big piece so that has to come off, and so while it was off I also ran new wiring to my bilge pump. My boat's a 1990 and the 60 or so bolts that secure the centerboard cap were phillips head (!) and every single one was a struggle to remove. I had to clip a vice grips to the nut on the underside and with two hands bear down hard for 1/4 turn at a time. Not fun! The ones in the back were especially challenging. Fortunately I have a big, salty vocabulary of special words that helped a lot! I replaced them with hex head bolts which were exponentially easier to put back in place with just a box wrench under and a ratchet on top. Take care to tension the bolts evenly, working from the middle towards the ends. Nice and snug but do not over tighten. I didn't use a torque wrench or anything - just extra care to be consistent. Luckily the big gasket was still in good shape and I just cleaned it up and reused it and I've had no leaks. To lift the board out I fed a length of bailing wire down either side of the board and then crawled under the boat and twisted the ends together, forming a big loop. It made for a "handle" to lift it out. Other than removing the original bolts, the project wasn't too bad. I'll post a photo. > >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:14 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> Thanks Peter! >> >> I?ve been reading some articles & watching some videos - always dangerous - but polyester braid seems to be a common recommendation. So far the only lines I?ve needed to replace are the one that holds the rudder up out of the water and the one that tightens the 2 backstays together. Luckily the one that controls the daggerboard is in good shape, as it looks pretty tricky to replace. I?m hoping it can be done while the boat is on the stand in the fall & winter (I think the stand was cut from a Triad trailer so same as being on a trailer) - if anyone has a suggestion for doing that I?d be most appreciative. Probably fine for several years but I?d rather do it before it fails. >> >> Thanks again! >> >> Larry >> ?14 R22 Language of Love >> ?86 R22 >> >> > On Jun 30, 2020, at 4:20 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> > >> > ?Larry, >> > >> > Somewhere back in history, someone on the list suggested that what you want for the running rigging on a Rhodes 22 is polyester braid line. Looking at the Defender website, the brand of polyester braid that looks most like what came with my boat is Samson Trophy Braid. A blurb from the product description: >> > >> > Samson Trophy Braid is a polyester double-braid with a soft, fuzzy cover that's easy to hold in wet or dry conditions. >> > >> > I?m not sure if it?s exactly what Stan uses, but it seems similar. It comes in white, black, blue, red, and green, and is sold by the foot. >> > >> > ?Peter >> > >> > >> >> On Jun 29, 2020, at 5:49 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> My 2014 R22?s jib sheet, main sheet & halyards etc will probably need replacement in a year or 2. Any recommendations for where to get them? I really liked the blue ones that came with the boat when new, not sure where Stan gets them - I assume he doesn?t sell replacements. Peter you mentioned Defender Marine in CT for other items, I like ordering from them as ground deliveries arrive the next day up here in the Adirondacks. >> >> >> >> Thanks! >> >> >> >> Larry >> >> ?14 R22 Language of Love >> >> ?86 R22 >> >> >> >> >> > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Sat Jul 4 15:54:11 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:54:11 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: References: , <1593637710366-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, Message-ID: I wanted to follow up on the motor lift, at least mine anyway. I was able to remove the lift rail by removing 5 screws from the laz. What was holding me up was the top one, which is way up at the top of the transom. Getting to that screw was a real #$$%. I had to get into the laz and reach up to get to the screw. It took one of those 90 degree angled screw drivers to remove it. But once I got all five screws out the and the rail separated from the rest of the lift parts, the rail just fell off the boat. No adhesive holding it. I'm glad I took that rail off as I can now see entire crack in the transom. I've not yet decided whether to attempt repairs myself or to call in a pro, but at least now I can access the entire damaged area. Photos attached. - rob ________________________________ From: Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:51 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Thanks Joe. Yes, we'll call this an unfortunate accidents, which can be fixed. I'll let the list know how I proceed and will document as I go. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Joe Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:08 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Rob, Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off because we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used and it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. A call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you do get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You can't fix stupid!" Good luck! ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Weisner) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 16:56:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Rob,Crack looks like it spread a bit.Nice paper wasp nest at the top of the laz.Mikes/v Wind Lass '91Nissequogue,? NY -------- Original message --------From: "Lowe, Rob" Date: 7/4/20 3:54 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity I wanted to follow up on the motor lift, at least mine anyway.? I was able to remove the lift rail by removing 5 screws from the laz.? What was holding me up was the top one, which is way up at the top of the transom.? Getting to that screw was a real #$$%.? I had to get into the laz and reach up to get to the screw.? It took one of those 90 degree angled screw drivers to remove it.? But once I got all five screws out the and the rail separated from the rest of the lift parts, the rail just fell off the boat.? No adhesive holding it.? I'm glad I took that rail off as I can now see entire crack in the transom.? I've not yet decided whether to attempt repairs myself or to call in a pro, but at least now I can access the entire damaged area.? Photos attached. -? rob________________________________From: Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:51 AMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidityThanks Joe.? Yes, we'll call this an unfortunate accidents, which can be fixed.? I'll let the list know how I proceed and will document as I go. - rob________________________________From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Joe Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:08 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidityRob,Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off becausewe thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcementinside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from therudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that itssimply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used andit may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. Acall to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage.? If you doget the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be atremendous addition to the Archive.? I believe that you just had one ofthose unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "Youcan't fix stupid!"? 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She's a wasp hater and it's my job to get rid of them every year. She won't even get on the boat if any wasps are present. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 4:56 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Rob,Crack looks like it spread a bit.Nice paper wasp nest at the top of the laz.Mikes/v Wind Lass '91Nissequogue, NY -------- Original message --------From: "Lowe, Rob" Date: 7/4/20 3:54 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity I wanted to follow up on the motor lift, at least mine anyway. I was able to remove the lift rail by removing 5 screws from the laz. What was holding me up was the top one, which is way up at the top of the transom. Getting to that screw was a real #$$%. I had to get into the laz and reach up to get to the screw. It took one of those 90 degree angled screw drivers to remove it. But once I got all five screws out the and the rail separated from the rest of the lift parts, the rail just fell off the boat. No adhesive holding it. I'm glad I took that rail off as I can now see entire crack in the transom. I've not yet decided whether to attempt repairs myself or to call in a pro, but at least now I can access the entire damaged area. Photos attached. - rob________________________________From: Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:51 AMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidityThanks Joe. Yes, we'll call this an unfortunate accidents, which can be fixed. I'll let the list know how I proceed and will document as I go. - rob________________________________From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Joe Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:08 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidityRob,Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off becausewe thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcementinside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from therudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that itssimply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used andit may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. Acall to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you doget the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be atremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one ofthose unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "Youcan't fix stupid!" 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It?s good to know that there wasn?t any adhesive to deal with. That would have been maritime malpractice on the part of GBI. Having screws and bolts in places that are hard to access, on the other hand, is par for the course. A 90 degree screwdriver is part of my standard Rhodes 22 tool-kit. ?Peter > On Jul 4, 2020, at 3:54 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > I wanted to follow up on the motor lift, at least mine anyway. I was able to remove the lift rail by removing 5 screws from the laz. What was holding me up was the top one, which is way up at the top of the transom. Getting to that screw was a real #$$%. I had to get into the laz and reach up to get to the screw. It took one of those 90 degree angled screw drivers to remove it. But once I got all five screws out the and the rail separated from the rest of the lift parts, the rail just fell off the boat. No adhesive holding it. I'm glad I took that rail off as I can now see entire crack in the transom. I've not yet decided whether to attempt repairs myself or to call in a pro, but at least now I can access the entire damaged area. Photos attached. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Lowe, Rob > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:51 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity > > Thanks Joe. Yes, we'll call this an unfortunate accidents, which can be fixed. I'll let the list know how I proceed and will document as I go. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Joe Dempsey > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:08 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity > > Rob, > Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off because > we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement > inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the > rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its > simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used and > it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. A > call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you do > get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a > tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of > those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You > can't fix stupid!" Good luck! > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200703_125838895a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 323000 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200703_125838895a.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200704_115827177a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 309654 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200704_115827177a.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200704_120026869a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 324049 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200704_120026869a.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200704_115907902a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 594656 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200704_115907902a.jpg > URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sat Jul 4 19:08:48 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:08:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: References: <1593637710366-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <029d01d65258$161409e0$423c1da0$@ca> Rob: If you are so inclined, other than matching the gel coat color that does not look to me to be a difficult fix. Examine it carefully and put pressure in the area to determine if the damage extends beyond the visible crack. Can you see the crack from the inside? The fact that you have access to both sides also makes it much easier. I would reinforce the inside with a few layers of cloth and then grind out the crack with an 8:1 taper. Fill the depression with about 4 layers of cloth with each patch being about an inch larger on all sides than the previous one and finally fill and fair with filler. I use epoxy for everything but I am sure that polyester would be more than adequate. The final step is to match the color with either gel coat or paint. That requires skill that far exceeds my ability. That is why I ended up painting the whole damned boat. So if you can't stan the idea of a blemish you will probably need a pro. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 3:54 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity I wanted to follow up on the motor lift, at least mine anyway. I was able to remove the lift rail by removing 5 screws from the laz. What was holding me up was the top one, which is way up at the top of the transom. Getting to that screw was a real #$$%. I had to get into the laz and reach up to get to the screw. It took one of those 90 degree angled screw drivers to remove it. But once I got all five screws out the and the rail separated from the rest of the lift parts, the rail just fell off the boat. No adhesive holding it. I'm glad I took that rail off as I can now see entire crack in the transom. I've not yet decided whether to attempt repairs myself or to call in a pro, but at least now I can access the entire damaged area. Photos attached. - rob ________________________________ From: Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:51 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Thanks Joe. Yes, we'll call this an unfortunate accidents, which can be fixed. I'll let the list know how I proceed and will document as I go. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Joe Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:08 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Rob, Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off because we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used and it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. A call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you do get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You can't fix stupid!" Good luck! ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200703_125838895a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 323000 bytes Desc: IMG_20200703_125838895a.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The list servers bounce emails from that account so the list should be ok but any personal address stored may get a malicious email. Sorry Todd Tavares tavares0947 at gmail.com On Sat, Jul 4, 2020, 7:08 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rob: > If you are so inclined, other than matching the gel coat color that does > not > look to me to be a difficult fix. Examine it carefully and put pressure in > the area to determine if the damage extends beyond the visible crack. Can > you see the crack from the inside? The fact that you have access to both > sides also makes it much easier. > > I would reinforce the inside with a few layers of cloth and then grind out > the crack with an 8:1 taper. Fill the depression with about 4 layers of > cloth with each patch being about an inch larger on all sides than the > previous one and finally fill and fair with filler. I use epoxy for > everything but I am sure that polyester would be more than adequate. > > The final step is to match the color with either gel coat or paint. That > requires skill that far exceeds my ability. That is why I ended up painting > the whole damned boat. So if you can't stan the idea of a blemish you will > probably need a pro. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 3:54 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity > > I wanted to follow up on the motor lift, at least mine anyway. I was able > to remove the lift rail by removing 5 screws from the laz. What was > holding > me up was the top one, which is way up at the top of the transom. Getting > to that screw was a real #$$%. I had to get into the laz and reach up to > get to the screw. It took one of those 90 degree angled screw drivers to > remove it. But once I got all five screws out the and the rail separated > from the rest of the lift parts, the rail just fell off the boat. No > adhesive holding it. I'm glad I took that rail off as I can now see entire > crack in the transom. I've not yet decided whether to attempt repairs > myself or to call in a pro, but at least now I can access the entire > damaged > area. Photos attached. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Lowe, Rob > Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:51 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity > > Thanks Joe. Yes, we'll call this an unfortunate accidents, which can be > fixed. I'll let the list know how I proceed and will document as I go. - > rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Joe > Dempsey > Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:08 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity > > Rob, > Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off > because > we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement > inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the > rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its > simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used > and > it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. > A > call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you > do > get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a > tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of > those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You > can't fix stupid!" Good luck! > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200703_125838895a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 323000 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200703_125838895a.jpg > URL: > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200704/e4ac044b/a > ttachment.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200704_115827177a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 309654 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200704_115827177a.jpg > URL: > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200704/e4ac044b/a > ttachment-0001.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200704_120026869a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 324049 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200704_120026869a.jpg > URL: > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200704/e4ac044b/a > ttachment-0002.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200704_115907902a.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 594656 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200704_115907902a.jpg > URL: > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200704/e4ac044b/a > ttachment-0003.jpg > > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Jul 4 21:41:44 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 21:41:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity In-Reply-To: <029d01d65258$161409e0$423c1da0$@ca> References: <1593637710366-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <029d01d65258$161409e0$423c1da0$@ca> Message-ID: I know on my boat, it?s paint, not gel coat. I scuffed the paint up when I moved my lower rudder gudgeon about 1/2? to starboard this spring. I covered the damage by going a little higher with the anti-fouling paint in that area than I otherwise would have. As it happened, I was using black anti-fouling, which isn?t that far off from the navy blue hull paint. With all the clutter on the transom of the boat, you?d have to be paying very close attention to notice. ?Peter > On Jul 4, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > Rob: > If you are so inclined, other than matching the gel coat color that does not > look to me to be a difficult fix. Examine it carefully and put pressure in > the area to determine if the damage extends beyond the visible crack. Can > you see the crack from the inside? The fact that you have access to both > sides also makes it much easier. > > I would reinforce the inside with a few layers of cloth and then grind out > the crack with an 8:1 taper. Fill the depression with about 4 layers of > cloth with each patch being about an inch larger on all sides than the > previous one and finally fill and fair with filler. I use epoxy for > everything but I am sure that polyester would be more than adequate. > > The final step is to match the color with either gel coat or paint. That > requires skill that far exceeds my ability. That is why I ended up painting > the whole damned boat. So if you can't stan the idea of a blemish you will > probably need a pro. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Jul 5 09:38:58 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:38:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Restoring gelcoat Message-ID: <014f01d652d1$a3912810$eab37830$@ebsmed.com> Yesterday, mention was made on the list of repair to the gel coat. The post spoke of damage to a Rhodes 22 that had a painted hull. As I learned, there is quite a difference between a painted vs. a colored gel coat hull. The method of repair needs to be quite different. About a decade ago I purchased a used 1991 Rhodes project boat to add to my collection. I replaced much of the rigging, wiiring, plumbing and completely rebuilt the engine. The hull was solid but the navy blue color was very chalky and looked awful. I sold my original '81 Rhodes and began sailing the "new" '91 exlusively. I never addressed the hull finish because I had been told that the blue color was paint and needed to be repainted, something that I was not considering at the time. Besides, she looked beautiful from the cockpit. I cringed when I pointed her out as my boat from the dock. This past spring I purchased a Megiuars 3 part gel coat restoration kit. I tried the oxide restorer and was not impressed. After a lot of rubbing, I could barely see a difference. The remainder of the kit is polish and wax. I decided that I would try some heavy duty Turtle Wax compound in a location that was somewhat hidden, as an experiment. It would either remove the paint or clean up the gel coat. I hand rubbed the compound on the stern, over and under the motor mount. I was amazed at the change in the finish! The haze was gone and the color was solid. It even shined a bit! I removed the rudder and worked the entire stern using the compound. I then used the Megiuars kit according to the directions and couldn't believe my eyes. Her beauty was not just skin deep. After reviewing several Youtube videos, I purchased a Bauer dual action orbital polisher and several coarse foam pads from Harbor Freight. I stopped at Walmart to buy another container of Turtle Wax Heavy Duty Compound as well as a medium grit. I donned an N95 mask and safety glasses and carefully worked the compound both by hand and machine, being careful not to remove too much material. There is an art to this method. The compound actually breaks down into a finer grit as it is used. The videos show how to lightly spray water to prevent working completely dry. As the grit becomes finer, you can increase the speed to polish the finish. When done correctly, there should be little material left to actually wipe off. The port side looked great before I used the Megiuars products and even better after! I did not attempt to work out or fill the deep gouges. I just wanted the color to be restored. She is, after all, nearly thirty years old and has her share of war wounds. I spend about three days on the gel coat. I then cleaned the deck thoroughly and she looks like new, well almost. Now it is finally time to go sailing. We plan to launch this week on the high tide. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The location is such that's it not that visible to begin with and I'm more concerned with having it be watertight than pretty. Good point about putting pressure on it to determine the extent of the damage. I have not done that yet. Yes, the crack is visible on the inside and the inside and outside views are very similar as far as the visible extents of the damage. The idea of cloth reinforcement on the interior makes a lot of sense since it's accessible and not visible. We shall see. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 7:08 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Rob: If you are so inclined, other than matching the gel coat color that does not look to me to be a difficult fix. Examine it carefully and put pressure in the area to determine if the damage extends beyond the visible crack. Can you see the crack from the inside? The fact that you have access to both sides also makes it much easier. I would reinforce the inside with a few layers of cloth and then grind out the crack with an 8:1 taper. Fill the depression with about 4 layers of cloth with each patch being about an inch larger on all sides than the previous one and finally fill and fair with filler. I use epoxy for everything but I am sure that polyester would be more than adequate. The final step is to match the color with either gel coat or paint. That requires skill that far exceeds my ability. That is why I ended up painting the whole damned boat. So if you can't stan the idea of a blemish you will probably need a pro. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 3:54 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity I wanted to follow up on the motor lift, at least mine anyway. I was able to remove the lift rail by removing 5 screws from the laz. What was holding me up was the top one, which is way up at the top of the transom. Getting to that screw was a real #$$%. I had to get into the laz and reach up to get to the screw. It took one of those 90 degree angled screw drivers to remove it. But once I got all five screws out the and the rail separated from the rest of the lift parts, the rail just fell off the boat. No adhesive holding it. I'm glad I took that rail off as I can now see entire crack in the transom. I've not yet decided whether to attempt repairs myself or to call in a pro, but at least now I can access the entire damaged area. Photos attached. - rob ________________________________ From: Lowe, Rob Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:51 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Thanks Joe. Yes, we'll call this an unfortunate accidents, which can be fixed. I'll let the list know how I proceed and will document as I go. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Joe Dempsey Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 5:08 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need some help fixing my stupidity Rob, Wish I could help. I was trying to figure out how the lift comes off because we thought we had a leak coming from underneath the plywood reinforcement inside the lazarette. Luckily, we found that water was leaking from the rudder gudgeons making motor lift removal moot. Looks as though that its simply held on by the bolts you've removed and any bedding/sealants used and it may just be a matter of extra pressure to pry it away from the transom. A call to Stan may be your best option before doing further damage. If you do get the lift removed, please post photos on The List. They will be a tremendous addition to the Archive. I believe that you just had one of those unfortunate accidents, a blind spot, because as the saying goes "You can't fix stupid!" Good luck! ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200703_125838895a.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 323000 bytes Desc: IMG_20200703_125838895a.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Probably won't get them installed for another couple of weeks. It's hot here in Virginia now, but I'll report to The List when I get them installed and my initial impressions. Respite is an '89 that was recycled in '05. I've never been happy with the "old" style traveler. The old car is ok, but Stan recommended the new car as a game changer for close hauling. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lgioia at yahoo.com Sun Jul 5 23:48:54 2020 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 03:48:54 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Restoring gelcoat In-Reply-To: <014f01d652d1$a3912810$eab37830$@ebsmed.com> References: <014f01d652d1$a3912810$eab37830$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <505162234.2910353.1594007334048@mail.yahoo.com> Wow!? What a difference - thanks for passing that along!? I'll definitely test and try it if/when mine gets to that point. Larry On Sunday, July 5, 2020, 09:39:13 AM EDT, Michael D. Weisner wrote: Yesterday, mention was made on the list of repair to the gel coat. The post spoke of damage to a Rhodes 22 that had a painted hull. As I learned, there is quite a difference between a painted vs. a colored gel coat hull. The method of repair needs to be quite different. About a decade ago I purchased a used 1991 Rhodes project boat to add to my collection. I replaced much of the rigging, wiiring, plumbing and completely rebuilt the engine. The hull was solid but the navy blue color was very chalky and looked awful. I sold my original '81 Rhodes and began sailing the "new" '91 exlusively. I never addressed the hull finish because I had been told that the blue color was paint and needed to be repainted, something that I was not considering at the time. Besides, she looked beautiful from the cockpit. I cringed when I pointed her out as my boat from the dock. This past spring I purchased a Megiuars 3 part gel coat restoration kit. I tried the oxide restorer and was not impressed. After a lot of rubbing, I could barely see a difference. The remainder of the kit is polish and wax. I decided that I would try some heavy duty Turtle Wax compound in a location that was somewhat hidden, as an experiment. It would either remove the paint or clean up the gel coat. I hand rubbed the compound on the stern, over and under the motor mount. I was amazed at the change in the finish! The haze was gone and the color was solid. It even shined a bit! I removed the rudder and worked the entire stern using the compound. I then used the Megiuars kit according to the directions and couldn't? believe my eyes. Her beauty was not just skin deep. After reviewing several Youtube videos, I purchased a Bauer dual action orbital polisher and several coarse foam pads from Harbor Freight. I stopped at Walmart to buy another container of Turtle Wax Heavy Duty Compound as well as a medium grit. I donned an N95 mask and safety glasses and carefully worked the compound both by hand and machine, being careful not to remove too much material. There is an art to this method. The compound actually breaks down into a finer grit as it is used. The videos show how to lightly spray water to prevent working completely dry. As the grit becomes finer, you can increase the speed to polish the finish. When done correctly, there should be little material left to actually wipe off. The port side looked great before I used the Megiuars products and even better after! I did not attempt to work out or fill the deep gouges. I just wanted the color to be restored. She is, after all, nearly thirty years old and has her share of war wounds. I spend about three days on the gel coat. I then cleaned the deck thoroughly and she looks like new, well almost. Now it is finally time to go sailing. 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My boat hull is the same blue and it's a 92 and looks exactly like your 'before' picture. I know what next year's project is going to be. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 9:38 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Restoring gelcoat Yesterday, mention was made on the list of repair to the gel coat. The post spoke of damage to a Rhodes 22 that had a painted hull. As I learned, there is quite a difference between a painted vs. a colored gel coat hull. The method of repair needs to be quite different. About a decade ago I purchased a used 1991 Rhodes project boat to add to my collection. I replaced much of the rigging, wiiring, plumbing and completely rebuilt the engine. The hull was solid but the navy blue color was very chalky and looked awful. I sold my original '81 Rhodes and began sailing the "new" '91 exlusively. I never addressed the hull finish because I had been told that the blue color was paint and needed to be repainted, something that I was not considering at the time. Besides, she looked beautiful from the cockpit. I cringed when I pointed her out as my boat from the dock. This past spring I purchased a Megiuars 3 part gel coat restoration kit. I tried the oxide restorer and was not impressed. After a lot of rubbing, I could barely see a difference. The remainder of the kit is polish and wax. I decided that I would try some heavy duty Turtle Wax compound in a location that was somewhat hidden, as an experiment. It would either remove the paint or clean up the gel coat. I hand rubbed the compound on the stern, over and under the motor mount. I was amazed at the change in the finish! The haze was gone and the color was solid. It even shined a bit! I removed the rudder and worked the entire stern using the compound. I then used the Megiuars kit according to the directions and couldn't believe my eyes. Her beauty was not just skin deep. After reviewing several Youtube videos, I purchased a Bauer dual action orbital polisher and several coarse foam pads from Harbor Freight. I stopped at Walmart to buy another container of Turtle Wax Heavy Duty Compound as well as a medium grit. I donned an N95 mask and safety glasses and carefully worked the compound both by hand and machine, being careful not to remove too much material. There is an art to this method. The compound actually breaks down into a finer grit as it is used. The videos show how to lightly spray water to prevent working completely dry. As the grit becomes finer, you can increase the speed to polish the finish. When done correctly, there should be little material left to actually wipe off. The port side looked great before I used the Megiuars products and even better after! I did not attempt to work out or fill the deep gouges. I just wanted the color to be restored. She is, after all, nearly thirty years old and has her share of war wounds. I spend about three days on the gel coat. I then cleaned the deck thoroughly and she looks like new, well almost. Now it is finally time to go sailing. We plan to launch this week on the high tide. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Port side gel coat - before.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2197269 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Port vs Starboard.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2665114 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Port side gel coat - after.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2503718 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Jul 6 13:50:22 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 17:50:22 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anyone have an extra outhaul car? In-Reply-To: <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,<1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I also got the new traveler and outhaul car from GBI. I haven't installed them yet, but they both look real nice. The new outhaul car is quite different from the one I currently have. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Joe Dempsey Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 5:03 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anyone have an extra outhaul car? Jeff, I just purchased both from GBI. Traveler arrived today, outhaul car due tomorrow. Probably won't get them installed for another couple of weeks. It's hot here in Virginia now, but I'll report to The List when I get them installed and my initial impressions. Respite is an '89 that was recycled in '05. I've never been happy with the "old" style traveler. The old car is ok, but Stan recommended the new car as a game changer for close hauling. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mike at traildesign.com Mon Jul 6 15:06:52 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 14:06:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anyone have an extra outhaul car? In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Rob, could you post photos of them when you get a chance? Michael Riter SV Emma B On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 12:50 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > I also got the new traveler and outhaul car from GBI. I haven't installed > them yet, but they both look real nice. The new outhaul car is quite > different from the one I currently have. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Joe > Dempsey > Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 5:03 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Anyone have an extra outhaul car? > > Jeff, > I just purchased both from GBI. Traveler arrived today, outhaul car due > tomorrow. Probably won't get them installed for another couple of weeks. > It's hot here in Virginia now, but I'll report to The List when I get them > installed and my initial impressions. Respite is an '89 that was recycled > in > '05. I've never been happy with the "old" style traveler. The old car is > ok, > but Stan recommended the new car as a game changer for close hauling. > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 15:31:25 2020 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 15:31:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents Message-ID: I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively in production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering them are in the spirit of the List's mission. If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. Cecilia From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Mon Jul 6 15:57:16 2020 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 19:57:16 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <640049646.1451609.1594065436114@mail.yahoo.com> Cecillia? ?well said I'm in agreement? Mark -----Original Message----- From: C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 3:31 pm Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively in production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering them are in the spirit of the List's mission. If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. Cecilia From retiredtoby at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 16:21:10 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:21:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: <640049646.1451609.1594065436114@mail.yahoo.com> References: <640049646.1451609.1594065436114@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, Stan post the pictures on his Web site. Just saying. On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 3:57 PM Mark West via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Cecillia well said I'm in agreement > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 3:31 pm > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents > > I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively in > production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering > them are in the spirit of the List's mission. > > If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. > > Cecilia > From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Mon Jul 6 16:22:03 2020 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 20:22:03 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have you ever tried to buy something from Stan? It?s not all that easy > On Jul 6, 2020, at 2:31 PM, C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively in > production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering > them are in the spirit of the List's mission. > > If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. > > Cecilia From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Jul 6 16:29:51 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:29:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2A1D4FDB-11A5-4E57-8C2F-1F8D6B251F4B@stottarchitecture.com> Celilia I also agree- Since it is unclear exactly what parts you refer to, I hope you are not referring to my exchange with Mike R regarding an actuator for the old style motor lift. I don?t believe Stan is making that type lift anymore and we are trying to improve it to the degree that a couple of old guys can raise and lower a perfectly good lift without buying a new improved and very expensive one. On that note - I even tried to buy a new lift from Stan but he told me I had to bring the boat to Edington. If it is my exchange with MIke that is offensive, please let me know and I?ll try a different tack. Ric sv Dadventure HBNY Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Jul 6, 2020, at 3:31 PM, C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: > > I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively in > production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering > them are in the spirit of the List's mission. > > If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. > > Cecilia From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Jul 6 16:49:30 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 20:49:30 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks like there is picture of the new traveler posted on the web site http://www.usedrhodes.com/home.html I haven't seen a photo of the new outhaul car yet. I see both parts are listed on the parts web site. http://www.rhodes22parts.com/parts---description-and-pricing.html Parts: Description and Pricing GB28 IMF Outhaul Car A General Boats product available thru ROC membership. Maintenance free,it has an ownership lifetime guarantee. . www.rhodes22parts.com ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 3:31 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively in production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering them are in the spirit of the List's mission. If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. Cecilia From mike at traildesign.com Mon Jul 6 17:05:15 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:05:15 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cecilia, it is not, nor ever has been my intention to reverse engineer anything GB sells. I?m not here to create a business to make parts for boats. Stan stated the new car was a huge improvement over the old one and I simply wanted a photo to see if mine was the new or old one. Perhaps posting photos of the parts you sell on the GB parts website might have prevented this whole exchange. I?ve said several times I?m not here to take business away from GB and will continue to repeat that until it sinks in. Your insinuation that I?m trying to do that is offensive to me. The couple of things I?ve created have made single handing the boat easier for me. As a newer Rhodes owner and even newer sailor I?m excited to share these rather small accomplishments with what I had hoped to be a new community of like minded friends. On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 2:31 PM C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: > I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively in > production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering > them are in the spirit of the List's mission. > > If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. > > Cecilia > -- Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Jul 6 17:45:33 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 17:45:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006301d653de$c77a3b50$566eb1f0$@ebsmed.com> OK, everyone just take a deep breath. The list was created by Rhodes 22 boat owners for their own use. It is not controlled by General Boats. Many designs and redesigns have been exchanged on the list. I doubt that anyone is trying to reverse engineer Stan's creation. In very few cases has any list activity resulted in a true loss of business to Stan. I am sincerely concerned with Cecilia's remarks towards another list member. This kind of activity IS PROHIBITED by our list charter while it is well within the purpose of the list to post images of components of the Rhodes 22, whether or not they are posted on the General Boats websites or "in production". Let us not forget that the original traveler redesign was prompted by list members. As far as the new traveler image goes, it was posted several years ago on the list at: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20180525/a6a36dda/attachment.jpg and probably lead to several being sold. If for no other reason, the image documents the threading of the line to facilitate replacement. If anyone has been reverse engineering the traveler, they sure have taken their time to bring it to the market. Let's go sailing ... Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Mike Riter Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 5:05 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents Cecilia, it is not, nor ever has been my intention to reverse engineer anything GB sells. I?m not here to create a business to make parts for boats. Stan stated the new car was a huge improvement over the old one and I simply wanted a photo to see if mine was the new or old one. Perhaps posting photos of the parts you sell on the GB parts website might have prevented this whole exchange. I?ve said several times I?m not here to take business away from GB and will continue to repeat that until it sinks in. Your insinuation that I?m trying to do that is offensive to me. The couple of things I?ve created have made single handing the boat easier for me. As a newer Rhodes owner and even newer sailor I?m excited to share these rather small accomplishments with what I had hoped to be a new community of like minded friends. On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 2:31 PM C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: > I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are > actively in production and actively shipping for the purposes of > reverse engineering them are in the spirit of the List's mission. > > If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. > > Cecilia > -- Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 From 4cgabriel at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 18:03:38 2020 From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 18:03:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Some better sense Message-ID: Some replies. I apologize to the List and to all the Mike's. I was writing this when M Weisner's clear note came in. I cannot agree with Charles N. more. Stan can be very hard to get in touch with. Here are the websites that he is supporting now and the email address he responds to. He discourages phone calls. Stan enjoys the website part of his company. Although these addresses work, they may NOT work from Android phones and I cannot test on an Apple phone. Old fashioned postal mail works too. stan at generalboats.com http://www.generalboats.com/http___www.generalboats.com/CLICK_HERE_TO_GET_STARTED.html rhodes22parts.com usedrhodes.com Parts in general. I am sorry if I misspoke or misunderstood anyone's intentions, especially yours Mike R. and others. I am not trying to start something and probably should have kept my hands off the keyboard. I apologize. I've seen first hand what Stan and his Parts Department have done to support our boats. It is a big effort for a small crew. Your patience is appreciated, especially from our household. Stan put decades of talent into redesigning the traveler and outhaul car and the many other parts and they are masterfully engineered and built. I've seen the amount of work that goes into making parts every day for 3 years since becoming a Rhodes owner. My protective instinct for General Boats and Stan is strong. I should stop speaking now. I apologize to all. Cecilia From tavares0947 at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 18:07:49 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 18:07:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: <640049646.1451609.1594065436114@mail.yahoo.com> References: <640049646.1451609.1594065436114@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well, this an old wound and we probably shouldn't tear the scab off. (HEAVILY REDACTED) ...but this is a Rhodes 22 owner's list, not a General Boats list. My 2 cents... Todd T. On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 15:57 Mark West via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Cecillia well said I'm in agreement > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > From: C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 3:31 pm > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents > > I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively in > production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering > them are in the spirit of the List's mission. > > If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. > > Cecilia > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 18:10:47 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 18:10:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: <640049646.1451609.1594065436114@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: P.S. I have a machine shop, and I ain't afraid to use it... ;) Todd T On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 18:07 Todd Tavares wrote: > Well, this an old wound and we probably shouldn't tear the scab off. > > (HEAVILY REDACTED) > > ...but this is a Rhodes 22 owner's list, not a General Boats list. > > > My 2 cents... > > Todd T. > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 15:57 Mark West via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> Cecillia well said I'm in agreement >> Mark >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 3:31 pm >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents >> >> I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively >> in >> production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering >> them are in the spirit of the List's mission. >> >> If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. >> >> Cecilia >> > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 18:34:08 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 18:34:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Some better sense In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is no need to apologize. This is a sore subject that goes back to the beginnings of the list. Its all in the archives. I'm pretty sure I started it.... Todd T tavares0947 at gmail.com On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 6:04 PM C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> wrote: > Some replies. > I apologize to the List and to all the Mike's. I was writing this when M > Weisner's clear note came in. > > I cannot agree with Charles N. more. Stan can be very hard to get in touch > with. Here are the websites that he is supporting now and the email > address he responds to. He discourages phone calls. Stan enjoys the > website part of his company. Although these addresses work, they may NOT > work from Android phones and I cannot test on an Apple phone. Old fashioned > postal mail works too. > > stan at generalboats.com > > > http://www.generalboats.com/http___www.generalboats.com/CLICK_HERE_TO_GET_STARTED.html > > > rhodes22parts.com > > usedrhodes.com > > Parts in general. > > I am sorry if I misspoke or misunderstood anyone's intentions, especially > yours Mike R. and others. I am not trying to start something and probably > should have kept my hands off the keyboard. I apologize. > > I've seen first hand what Stan and his Parts Department have done to > support our boats. It is a big effort for a small crew. Your patience is > appreciated, especially from our household. Stan put decades of talent into > redesigning the traveler and outhaul car and the many other parts and they > are masterfully engineered and built. I've seen the amount of work that > goes into making parts every day for 3 years since becoming a Rhodes > owner. My protective instinct for General Boats and Stan is strong. I > should stop speaking now. > > I apologize to all. Cecilia > From mark at whipplefamily.com Mon Jul 6 18:36:44 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 18:36:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: <640049646.1451609.1594065436114@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would also concur that it can be challenging to purchase parts from GB. Stan is a great guy and a terrific resource for us all. Unfortunately, after losing his brother and his wife he has quite a lot on his hands trying to keep things going. I am sure we all wish Stan the best but at some point a boat owner needs to find a solution to the problem they have so they can go sailing. I can't imagine how solving a problem with one's own boat or helping another owner solve theirs could be seen as a slight against Stan or GB, especially under the current circumstances. FWIW I purchased/enrolled in the COS or ROC or whatever we're calling it now. Mark Whipple Boston,MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Compac 16 *For Sale* On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 6:10 PM Todd Tavares wrote: > P.S. > > I have a machine shop, and I ain't afraid to use it... ;) > > Todd T > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 18:07 Todd Tavares wrote: > > > Well, this an old wound and we probably shouldn't tear the scab off. > > > > (HEAVILY REDACTED) > > > > ...but this is a Rhodes 22 owner's list, not a General Boats list. > > > > > > My 2 cents... > > > > Todd T. > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 15:57 Mark West via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > >> Cecillia well said I'm in agreement > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 3:31 pm > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents > >> > >> I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively > >> in > >> production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering > >> them are in the spirit of the List's mission. > >> > >> If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. > >> > >> Cecilia > >> > > > From retro53 at msn.com Mon Jul 6 19:59:13 2020 From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 23:59:13 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: <640049646.1451609.1594065436114@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: Apparently, I found a great way to contact Stan a few months ago when I erroneously posted that the company was no longer in business and that Stan was no longer among us. He quickly corrected both of those notions for me. On another note - I saw a few posts regarding refinishing gelcoat: My Rhodes is a 1980 that looked like she had never been waxed or polished in her 40-year life. Not wishing to spend an inordinate amount of time waxing on and waxing off, I applied Poli Glow to the hull. There are videos on YouTube, but basically, you just have to apply the stuff with a clean cloth, let it dry and apply another coat. No need to polish. The hull went from totally flat to quite nice (I think). So far, it's held up well. I didn't take any on purpose before and after pictures, but these two should give you an idea. The first is what it looked like before, and the second is what it looked like after - I think you may be able to see the reflection of the water on the hull in that one. John Keyser Deci-Belle ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mark Whipple Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 6:36 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents I would also concur that it can be challenging to purchase parts from GB. Stan is a great guy and a terrific resource for us all. Unfortunately, after losing his brother and his wife he has quite a lot on his hands trying to keep things going. I am sure we all wish Stan the best but at some point a boat owner needs to find a solution to the problem they have so they can go sailing. I can't imagine how solving a problem with one's own boat or helping another owner solve theirs could be seen as a slight against Stan or GB, especially under the current circumstances. FWIW I purchased/enrolled in the COS or ROC or whatever we're calling it now. Mark Whipple Boston,MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Compac 16 *For Sale* On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 6:10 PM Todd Tavares wrote: > P.S. > > I have a machine shop, and I ain't afraid to use it... ;) > > Todd T > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 18:07 Todd Tavares wrote: > > > Well, this an old wound and we probably shouldn't tear the scab off. > > > > (HEAVILY REDACTED) > > > > ...but this is a Rhodes 22 owner's list, not a General Boats list. > > > > > > My 2 cents... > > > > Todd T. > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 15:57 Mark West via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > >> Cecillia well said I'm in agreement > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 3:31 pm > >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents > >> > >> I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively > >> in > >> production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering > >> them are in the spirit of the List's mission. > >> > >> If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. > >> > >> Cecilia > >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Deci-Belle 001.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 4084042 bytes Desc: Deci-Belle 001.JPG URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: thumbnail_20180612_113215.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 310233 bytes Desc: thumbnail_20180612_113215.jpg URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Jul 6 20:49:23 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 20:49:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last desperate attempt to get help. I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day but thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature show erratic numbers. I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the display comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone on da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most grateful. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario From mike at traildesign.com Mon Jul 6 21:29:04 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 20:29:04 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> Message-ID: Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. Michael Riter SV Emma B On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > desperate attempt to get help. > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > but > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature > show erratic numbers. > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > display > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > on > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most > grateful. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > From tvpolise at aol.com Tue Jul 7 08:22:01 2020 From: tvpolise at aol.com (Thomas Polise) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 08:22:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks good! I noticed that you had stantions and lifelines. Did you install those and know where to purchase? > On Jul 6, 2020, at 7:59 PM, John Keyser wrote: > > ?Apparently, I found a great way to contact Stan a few months ago when I erroneously posted that the company was no longer in business and that Stan was no longer among us. He quickly corrected both of those notions for me. > > On another note - I saw a few posts regarding refinishing gelcoat: > My Rhodes is a 1980 that looked like she had never been waxed or polished in her 40-year life. Not wishing to spend an inordinate amount of time waxing on and waxing off, I applied Poli Glow to the hull. There are videos on YouTube, but basically, you just have to apply the stuff with a clean cloth, let it dry and apply another coat. No need to polish. The hull went from totally flat to quite nice (I think). So far, it's held up well. I didn't take any on purpose before and after pictures, but these two should give you an idea. The first is what it looked like before, and the second is what it looked like after - I think you may be able to see the reflection of the water on the hull in that one. > > John Keyser > Deci-Belle > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mark Whipple > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 6:36 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents > > I would also concur that it can be challenging to purchase parts from GB. > Stan is a great guy and a terrific resource for us all. Unfortunately, > after losing his brother and his wife he has quite a lot on his hands > trying to keep things going. I am sure we all wish Stan the best but at > some point a boat owner needs to find a solution to the problem they have > so they can go sailing. I can't imagine how solving a problem with one's > own boat or helping another owner solve theirs could be seen as a slight > against Stan or GB, especially under the current circumstances. > > FWIW I purchased/enrolled in the COS or ROC or whatever we're calling it > now. > > Mark Whipple > > Boston,MA > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Compac 16 *For Sale* > >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 6:10 PM Todd Tavares wrote: >> >> P.S. >> >> I have a machine shop, and I ain't afraid to use it... ;) >> >> Todd T >> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 18:07 Todd Tavares wrote: >>> >>> Well, this an old wound and we probably shouldn't tear the scab off. >>> >>> (HEAVILY REDACTED) >>> >>> ...but this is a Rhodes 22 owner's list, not a General Boats list. >>> >>> >>> My 2 cents... >>> >>> Todd T. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 15:57 Mark West via Rhodes22-list < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Cecillia well said I'm in agreement >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 3:31 pm >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents >>>> >>>> I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively >>>> in >>>> production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering >>>> them are in the spirit of the List's mission. >>>> >>>> If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. >>>> >>>> Cecilia >>>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Deci-Belle 001.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4084042 bytes > Desc: Deci-Belle 001.JPG > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20180612_113215.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 310233 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20180612_113215.jpg > URL: From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Jul 7 09:12:02 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 09:12:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: <640049646.1451609.1594065436114@mail.yahoo.com> , Message-ID: <009b01d65460$34fae5e0$9ef0b1a0$@ebsmed.com> John, The boat looks terrific. Not bad for a 1980. I considered using Poli Glow after seeing it demonstrated at the Annapolis Sailboat Show. While I watched the demo, a couple of folks warned against using the product right at the booth. At first I just thought that they were very rude and paid little attention to their remarks. It wasn't until one of them brought out pictures of his boat and spoke to the manufacturer's rep about paying for the damage "caused" by Poli Glow that I started to listen. Evidently, Poli Glow yellows in UV and needs to be stripped from the craft fairly regularly to maintain the clear color using a fairly expensive and difficult chemical process. I then looked at complaints on-line at: https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/642188-poli-glow-review.html and decided to put in the elbow grease to clean up my gel coat rather than apply a polymer coating to fill the pores. Your boat looks great. Just be sure to reapply regularly to maintain the "glow." Most of the on-line complaints are from Florida boat owners where the intense sunlight and longer season may cause the yellowing, something that we in the Northeast do not generally have to contend with. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of John Keyser Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 7:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents Apparently, I found a great way to contact Stan a few months ago when I erroneously posted that the company was no longer in business and that Stan was no longer among us. He quickly corrected both of those notions for me. On another note - I saw a few posts regarding refinishing gelcoat: My Rhodes is a 1980 that looked like she had never been waxed or polished in her 40-year life. Not wishing to spend an inordinate amount of time waxing on and waxing off, I applied Poli Glow to the hull. There are videos on YouTube, but basically, you just have to apply the stuff with a clean cloth, let it dry and apply another coat. No need to polish. The hull went from totally flat to quite nice (I think). So far, it's held up well. I didn't take any on purpose before and after pictures, but these two should give you an idea. The first is what it looked like before, and the second is what it looked like after - I think you may be able to see the reflection of the water on the hull in that one. John Keyser Deci-Belle -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The fact that your unit operated for 20+ years without a ?sea ground? means it was operating with ground defined as the battery?s (-) terminal. So, here are some things to check: 1. Check the voltage at the battery terminals. If the battery is 100% charged and all circuits are turned off, the voltage should be ~13 VDC. If the voltage is <=12.5 VDC; then disconnect the (+) & (-) terminals and measure again. If the voltage is still low, try charging the battery. If the battery won?t accept a charge; then, it needs to be replaced. 2. If the battery voltage is ~13 VDC, turn on the instrument circuit. Again, check the voltage at the battery. If the voltage drops; then you have a short circuit in the instrument wiring, the instrument itself, or a bad battery. 3. Now, check the voltage at the instrument. It should be nearly the same as at the battery. You can check your B&G Owner?s manual for the minimum power supply voltage. On my Raymarine Autohelm ST50 instruments, the specified voltage range is 11.0 VDC <= [Supply Voltage] < 16.0 VDC. I have found the ST50 instruments will keep operating long after all the other electronics have shut down due to low battery voltage. But, your B&G system might be more finicky about proper power. 4. If the voltage at the instrument is too low; then, try disconnecting the power from the instrument and then measure the voltage on the wires. It should be the same as at the battery. If you have proper voltage in the disconnected wires and low voltage when you connect them; then, you have isolated the problem to the B&G instrument itself. Good luck getting service on a 20+ year old instrument! If I were a gambling man, I would place my bet on a bad battery. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 8:49 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last desperate attempt to get help. I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day but thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature show erratic numbers. I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the display comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone on da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most grateful. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Jul 7 09:36:59 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 13:36:59 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca>, Message-ID: I'm with Michael. Just because you have power to the unit doesn't mean you have a good connection. I'd examine every connection, especially those for the transducer cables. Having a bad ground can also effect the instrument readings. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mike Riter Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:29 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. Michael Riter SV Emma B On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > desperate attempt to get help. > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > but > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature > show erratic numbers. > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > display > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > on > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most > grateful. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Jul 7 10:36:08 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 10:36:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> Message-ID: <031401d6546b$f6655c00$e3301400$@ca> Thanks Michael: I will try that. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mike Riter Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:29 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. Michael Riter SV Emma B On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > desperate attempt to get help. > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > but > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature > show erratic numbers. > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > display > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > on > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most > grateful. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Jul 7 10:53:50 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 10:53:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> Message-ID: <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> Thanks to all for your help. I don't think the battery is the problem as it is brand new and my battery monitor reads a steady 12.6 volts. I replaced it this year because I found last year that if the voltage dropped below 10.5 volts the display turned off completely. The battery would quickly drain to below what was required. I assumed that if the display comes on the power would not be the issue but poor connections are a real possibility. I will check out those and the current reaching the display as suggested. The unit was never actually grounded in the past and that didn't seem to cause any difficulties. What do others do to "ground" their electronics? Would a bronze thru hull fitting not be sufficient? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:37 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems I'm with Michael. Just because you have power to the unit doesn't mean you have a good connection. I'd examine every connection, especially those for the transducer cables. Having a bad ground can also effect the instrument readings. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mike Riter Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:29 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. Michael Riter SV Emma B On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > desperate attempt to get help. > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > but > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature > show erratic numbers. > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > display > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > on > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most > grateful. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Jul 7 11:06:48 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 15:06:48 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> , <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, To summarize what Roger said, just because you have enough voltage doesn't mean you have enough current. Your draining battery example shows that. I've got all my electrical equipment 'grounded' at the battery. But that is battery ground and not earth ground. We could get into a very long discussion about the merits and advantages of each system, but that's a topic for another day. Unless you are hooked up to shore power, having a true earth ground may not be necessary. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:53 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Thanks to all for your help. I don't think the battery is the problem as it is brand new and my battery monitor reads a steady 12.6 volts. I replaced it this year because I found last year that if the voltage dropped below 10.5 volts the display turned off completely. The battery would quickly drain to below what was required. I assumed that if the display comes on the power would not be the issue but poor connections are a real possibility. I will check out those and the current reaching the display as suggested. The unit was never actually grounded in the past and that didn't seem to cause any difficulties. What do others do to "ground" their electronics? Would a bronze thru hull fitting not be sufficient? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:37 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems I'm with Michael. Just because you have power to the unit doesn't mean you have a good connection. I'd examine every connection, especially those for the transducer cables. Having a bad ground can also effect the instrument readings. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mike Riter Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:29 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. Michael Riter SV Emma B On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > desperate attempt to get help. > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > but > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature > show erratic numbers. > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > display > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > on > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most > grateful. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Jul 7 17:40:54 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 17:40:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List Message-ID: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> A while back, Mike Weisner made mention of tentative plans to update the Rhodes Boat Owners Website (Rhodes22.org ). He asked if anyone would be interested in helping, and I replied that I would be though I haven?t used my limited web development skills in many years. Nothing else has happened since that I know of, which is fine since I tend to be pretty busy in warmer weather. That exchange resulted in a stray thought or two about what could be done with the website, but I had no concrete ideas until today. Some of my YouTube videos generate a comment or two. Recently there was a comment that mentioned the email list, referring to it as a ?forum?. Late yesterday another comment appeared from someone who said they were a ?wanna be Rhodie? asking where is this forum that was mentioned. They mentioned that they had found a group on Google that seemed dead, but nothing active. Naturally, I pointed this person to the page on our website that describes the email list, and hopefully they will decide to sign on and join our community. But, the incident stirred a small thought in my head. This email list is the backbone of our community. The website is but a small appendage. But, if you search the web for things related to ?Rhodes 22?, you?ll likely find Rhodes22.org , but you won?t find the list itself. Therefor, it seems to me that the most important thing the website can do is promote the list. If the ?wanna be Rhodie? found my YouTube video, and found a defunct Google group, I think it?s a pretty safe bet that they found Rhodes22.org , yet didn?t penetrate deep enough to find the list. There really isn?t anything more to my idea than that. The home page should prominently feature an invitation to join the list. Easy for me to say? Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016} From retro53 at msn.com Tue Jul 7 17:48:43 2020 From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 21:48:43 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: <009b01d65460$34fae5e0$9ef0b1a0$@ebsmed.com> References: <640049646.1451609.1594065436114@mail.yahoo.com> , , <009b01d65460$34fae5e0$9ef0b1a0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, Thanks for the feedback! FYI, this is the second older boat that I've used the Poli Glow on with no issues. I try and follow the instructions - wash and dry the boat, apply the primer liquid, then 2 coats of the Poli Glow. Each Spring I'll throw another coat on and go sailing. John ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:12 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents John, The boat looks terrific. Not bad for a 1980. I considered using Poli Glow after seeing it demonstrated at the Annapolis Sailboat Show. While I watched the demo, a couple of folks warned against using the product right at the booth. At first I just thought that they were very rude and paid little attention to their remarks. It wasn't until one of them brought out pictures of his boat and spoke to the manufacturer's rep about paying for the damage "caused" by Poli Glow that I started to listen. Evidently, Poli Glow yellows in UV and needs to be stripped from the craft fairly regularly to maintain the clear color using a fairly expensive and difficult chemical process. I then looked at complaints on-line at: https://www.thehulltruth.com/boating-forum/642188-poli-glow-review.html and decided to put in the elbow grease to clean up my gel coat rather than apply a polymer coating to fill the pores. Your boat looks great. Just be sure to reapply regularly to maintain the "glow." Most of the on-line complaints are from Florida boat owners where the intense sunlight and longer season may cause the yellowing, something that we in the Northeast do not generally have to contend with. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of John Keyser Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 7:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents Apparently, I found a great way to contact Stan a few months ago when I erroneously posted that the company was no longer in business and that Stan was no longer among us. He quickly corrected both of those notions for me. On another note - I saw a few posts regarding refinishing gelcoat: My Rhodes is a 1980 that looked like she had never been waxed or polished in her 40-year life. Not wishing to spend an inordinate amount of time waxing on and waxing off, I applied Poli Glow to the hull. There are videos on YouTube, but basically, you just have to apply the stuff with a clean cloth, let it dry and apply another coat. No need to polish. The hull went from totally flat to quite nice (I think). So far, it's held up well. I didn't take any on purpose before and after pictures, but these two should give you an idea. The first is what it looked like before, and the second is what it looked like after - I think you may be able to see the reflection of the water on the hull in that one. John Keyser Deci-Belle -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Deci-Belle 001.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 4084042 bytes Desc: Deci-Belle 001.JPG URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ve attached a pic of the 2014 R22 for no particular reason, just to remind us why we do this, from last weekend on Lake George. Larry -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 584445 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- > > On Jul 7, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?A while back, Mike Weisner made mention of tentative plans to update the Rhodes Boat Owners Website (Rhodes22.org ). He asked if anyone would be interested in helping, and I replied that I would be though I haven?t used my limited web development skills in many years. Nothing else has happened since that I know of, which is fine since I tend to be pretty busy in warmer weather. That exchange resulted in a stray thought or two about what could be done with the website, but I had no concrete ideas until today. > > Some of my YouTube videos generate a comment or two. Recently there was a comment that mentioned the email list, referring to it as a ?forum?. Late yesterday another comment appeared from someone who said they were a ?wanna be Rhodie? asking where is this forum that was mentioned. They mentioned that they had found a group on Google that seemed dead, but nothing active. > > Naturally, I pointed this person to the page on our website that describes the email list, and hopefully they will decide to sign on and join our community. But, the incident stirred a small thought in my head. > > This email list is the backbone of our community. The website is but a small appendage. But, if you search the web for things related to ?Rhodes 22?, you?ll likely find Rhodes22.org , but you won?t find the list itself. Therefor, it seems to me that the most important thing the website can do is promote the list. If the ?wanna be Rhodie? found my YouTube video, and found a defunct Google group, I think it?s a pretty safe bet that they found Rhodes22.org , yet didn?t penetrate deep enough to find the list. > > There really isn?t anything more to my idea than that. The home page should prominently feature an invitation to join the list. > > Easy for me to say? > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016} From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Jul 8 10:43:44 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 09:43:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: <46220CEC-956B-4309-8863-E12FB1B116E7@yahoo.com> References: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> <46220CEC-956B-4309-8863-E12FB1B116E7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I had some plans once I found a boat to offer this - I am in IT by trade, and we need SSL certs with all of our personal contact info floating around. I also found http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ is actually usable for past reading of these archives. I have a place to host everything (servers in a datacenter) great topic! Tom On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 5:04 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Great suggestion, Peter. > > When I bought my R22 new in 2014 Stan mentioned this great active mail > list with lots of knowledgeable guys - I looked around on the General Boats > site and Rhodes22.org but never found it. Admittedly I should have just > asked someone but you know how men are about asking directions. Then 4 > months ago I found it as I was buying my second one, an ?86 R22, and this > list has been so helpful. > > I?ve attached a pic of the 2014 R22 for no particular reason, just to > remind us why we do this, from last weekend on Lake George. > > Larry > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image1.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 584445 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200707/173f2c92/attachment.jpeg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > On Jul 7, 2020, at 5:42 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > > > ?A while back, Mike Weisner made mention of tentative plans to update > the Rhodes Boat Owners Website (Rhodes22.org ). He > asked if anyone would be interested in helping, and I replied that I would > be though I haven?t used my limited web development skills in many years. > Nothing else has happened since that I know of, which is fine since I tend > to be pretty busy in warmer weather. That exchange resulted in a stray > thought or two about what could be done with the website, but I had no > concrete ideas until today. > > > > Some of my YouTube videos generate a comment or two. Recently there was > a comment that mentioned the email list, referring to it as a ?forum?. > Late yesterday another comment appeared from someone who said they were a > ?wanna be Rhodie? asking where is this forum that was mentioned. They > mentioned that they had found a group on Google that seemed dead, but > nothing active. > > > > Naturally, I pointed this person to the page on our website that > describes the email list, and hopefully they will decide to sign on and > join our community. But, the incident stirred a small thought in my head. > > > > This email list is the backbone of our community. The website is but a > small appendage. But, if you search the web for things related to ?Rhodes > 22?, you?ll likely find Rhodes22.org , but you > won?t find the list itself. Therefor, it seems to me that the most > important thing the website can do is promote the list. If the ?wanna be > Rhodie? found my YouTube video, and found a defunct Google group, I think > it?s a pretty safe bet that they found Rhodes22.org , > yet didn?t penetrate deep enough to find the list. > > > > There really isn?t anything more to my idea than that. The home page > should prominently feature an invitation to join the list. > > > > Easy for me to say? > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016} > -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Jul 8 16:21:15 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:21:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> <46220CEC-956B-4309-8863-E12FB1B116E7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Tom, Glad you found us. People are probably curious about your search for a Rhodes 22. Have you considered a recycled boat? Have you been in contact with General Boats? Where are you located, and what kind of sailing are you planning on doing? You probably have questions about the Rhodes 22 as well. Whatever the question is, it?s probably been asked and answered at least a dozen times before, but go ahead and ask anyway. If we limited our discussions to topics that have never been mentioned before, well, we?d have almost nothing to talk about at all. Nabble does provide a nice interface for searching the archives, but there are a couple of Nabble related issues you should be aware of: 1) Nabble searches its archives, not our archives. And, its archives are not complete. The first message on the list was posted in July of 2002. Nabble?s archive appears to only go back to January of 2006 (with the exception of a single message from 2004, for some reason). 2) If you post a message with an attachment to the list using the Nabble interface, Nabble keeps the attachment and inserts a link to it in the body of the message. The problem is that Nabble has on at least one occasion reorganized its directory structure for storing attachments, breaking the attachment links in all prior messages. So many attachments in archived messages are lost to us forever. So, best practice is to post directly to the list, especially for messages with attachments. Unfortunately, the list-server software (Mailman ?) doesn?t like the way that the Mac email client formats messages with attachments, and the attachments end up getting stripped out. As a Mac user, on the rare occasion when I want to send a message with an attachment, I use a web mail client interface provided by the web-hosting service I use for sunnybeeches.com. Anyway, sorry to bend your ear, and welcome to the list. ?Peter > On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > I had some plans once I found a boat to offer this - I am in IT by trade, > and we need SSL certs with all of our personal contact info floating > around. > I also found http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ is actually usable > for past reading of these archives. > > I have a place to host everything (servers in a datacenter) great topic! > > Tom > -- > Tom Van Heule > Intrinsic Programs > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > +1 303 525 5266 From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Jul 8 17:09:32 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:09:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> <46220CEC-956B-4309-8863-E12FB1B116E7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Its great Peter, Feeling welcome already. We are in 53058 and will be inland (dry sailing i think, trying to locate a slip/moore/etc in the middle of summer.....) with Lake Michigan for weekend/week cruises. I happened upon the R22 from a suggestion my Aunt made on our boat hunt (she ran a sailing beach in Chicago for ... 30+ years) she said, oh look at the CAL 20, look at the Rainbow17?, look at the Rhodes 19. I knew I wanted something over 20ft (need comfy space for the family) and saw the 22.... it was pretty much a done deal. But there was a problem, there was NO bad press about them. Understanding that sailboats are not cars and washing machines, I didn't expect TONs, but there must be something. Then I came to realize just how special this boat really is - the history - the community - just wow. And who doesn't like exclusive things?! (oh, right; its possible to find parts for mass produced things) Anyways, I am here now and ready most of Junes discussions already - I see the extensive archive on Rhodes22.org (IIRC). I have been emailing with Stan back and forth over the last weeks and I am going for a recycled boat. I don't see why I wouldn't buy one from him? I have seen some project boats on the private market, but their trailers were neglected... My fingers move like wind - so I AM sorry for bending your ear back;) Best, Tom On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 3:22 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Tom, > > Glad you found us. > > People are probably curious about your search for a Rhodes 22. Have you > considered a recycled boat? Have you been in contact with General Boats? > Where are you located, and what kind of sailing are you planning on doing? > > You probably have questions about the Rhodes 22 as well. Whatever the > question is, it?s probably been asked and answered at least a dozen times > before, but go ahead and ask anyway. If we limited our discussions to > topics that have never been mentioned before, well, we?d have almost > nothing to talk about at all. > > Nabble does provide a nice interface for searching the archives, but > there are a couple of Nabble related issues you should be aware of: > > 1) Nabble searches its archives, not our archives. And, its archives are > not complete. The first message on the list was posted in July of 2002. > Nabble?s archive appears to only go back to January of 2006 (with the > exception of a single message from 2004, for some reason). > > 2) If you post a message with an attachment to the list using the Nabble > interface, Nabble keeps the attachment and inserts a link to it in the body > of the message. The problem is that Nabble has on at least one occasion > reorganized its directory structure for storing attachments, breaking the > attachment links in all prior messages. So many attachments in archived > messages are lost to us forever. > > So, best practice is to post directly to the list, especially for messages > with attachments. Unfortunately, the list-server software (Mailman ?) > doesn?t like the way that the Mac email client formats messages with > attachments, and the attachments end up getting stripped out. As a Mac > user, on the rare occasion when I want to send a message with an > attachment, I use a web mail client interface provided by the web-hosting > service I use for sunnybeeches.com. > > Anyway, sorry to bend your ear, and welcome to the list. > > ?Peter > > > > On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > I had some plans once I found a boat to offer this - I am in IT by trade, > > and we need SSL certs with all of our personal contact info floating > > around. > > I also found http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ is actually usable > > for past reading of these archives. > > > > I have a place to host everything (servers in a datacenter) great topic! > > > > Tom > > -- > > Tom Van Heule > > Intrinsic Programs > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > +1 303 525 5266 > > -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Wed Jul 8 17:18:42 2020 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 21:18:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> <46220CEC-956B-4309-8863-E12FB1B116E7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1567630984.2318710.1594243122892@mail.yahoo.com> welcome tom happy to have you with us? we have had many? sailboats over the years but the R22 will always be at our slip we? like everything about her?Mark & connie? S/v Fairwinds II? ? ?NC. -----Original Message----- From: Tom Van Heule To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List Its great Peter, Feeling welcome already. We are in 53058 and will be inland (dry sailing i think, trying to locate a slip/moore/etc in the middle of summer.....) with Lake Michigan for weekend/week cruises. I happened upon the R22 from a suggestion my Aunt made on our boat hunt (she ran a sailing beach in Chicago for ... 30+ years) she said, oh look at the CAL 20, look at the Rainbow17?, look at the Rhodes 19.? I knew I wanted something over 20ft (need comfy space for the family) and saw the 22.... it was pretty much a done deal. But there was a problem, there was NO bad press about them.? Understanding that sailboats are not cars and washing machines, I didn't expect TONs, but there must be something.? Then I came to realize just how special this boat really is - the history - the community - just wow.? And who doesn't like exclusive things?! (oh, right; its possible to find parts for mass produced things)? Anyways, I am here now and ready most of Junes discussions already - I see the extensive archive on Rhodes22.org (IIRC). I have been emailing with Stan back and forth over the last weeks and I am going for a recycled boat.? I don't see why I wouldn't buy one from him? I have seen some project boats on the private market, but their trailers were neglected... My fingers move like wind - so I AM sorry for bending your ear back;) Best, Tom On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 3:22 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Tom, > > Glad you found us. > > People are probably curious about your search for a Rhodes 22.? Have you > considered a recycled boat?? Have you been in contact with General Boats? > Where are you located, and what kind of sailing are you planning on doing? > > You probably have questions about the Rhodes 22 as well.? Whatever the > question is, it?s probably been asked and answered at least a dozen times > before, but go ahead and ask anyway.? If we limited our discussions to > topics that have never been mentioned before, well, we?d have almost > nothing to talk about at all. > >? Nabble does provide a nice interface for searching the archives, but > there are a couple of Nabble related issues you should be aware of: > > 1)? Nabble searches its archives, not our archives.? And, its archives are > not complete.? The first message on the list was posted in July of 2002. > Nabble?s archive appears to only go back to January of 2006 (with the > exception of a single message from 2004, for some reason). > > 2) If you post a message with an attachment to the list using the Nabble > interface, Nabble keeps the attachment and inserts a link to it in the body > of the message.? The problem is that Nabble has on at least one occasion > reorganized its directory structure for storing attachments, breaking the > attachment links in all prior messages.? So many attachments in archived > messages are lost to us forever. > > So, best practice is to post directly to the list, especially for messages > with attachments.? Unfortunately, the list-server software (Mailman ?) > doesn?t like the way that the Mac email client formats messages with > attachments, and the attachments end up getting stripped out.? As a Mac > user, on the rare occasion when I want to send a message with an > attachment, I use a web mail client interface provided by the web-hosting > service I use for sunnybeeches.com. > > Anyway, sorry to bend your ear, and welcome to the list. > > ?Peter > > > > On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > I had some plans once I found a boat to offer this - I am in IT by trade, > > and we need SSL certs with all of our personal contact info floating > > around. > > I also found http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ is actually usable > > for past reading of these archives. > > > > I have a place to host everything (servers in a datacenter)? great topic! > > > > Tom > > -- > > Tom Van Heule > > Intrinsic Programs > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > +1 303 525 5266 > > -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From ews1esq at yahoo.com Wed Jul 8 18:41:47 2020 From: ews1esq at yahoo.com (Eric Smith) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 18:41:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, I strongly recommend a recycled boat from Stan. I have a 1995, purchased in 2004 once she was recycled. Then she was fully renovated again by GB in 2016. Never have had a single problem Learned to sail on a 42 foot Morgan back in the late ?70?s and wouldn?t trade my Rhodes for it, even with the extra 20 feet. Eric Smith Red Mistress Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > ?Its great Peter, Feeling welcome already. > > We are in 53058 and will be inland (dry sailing i think, trying to locate a > slip/moore/etc in the middle of summer.....) with Lake Michigan for > weekend/week cruises. > I happened upon the R22 from a suggestion my Aunt made on our boat hunt > (she ran a sailing beach in Chicago for ... 30+ years) she said, oh look at > the CAL 20, look at the Rainbow17?, look at the Rhodes 19. I knew I > wanted something over 20ft (need comfy space for the family) and saw the > 22.... it was pretty much a done deal. > > But there was a problem, there was NO bad press about them. Understanding > that sailboats are not cars and washing machines, I didn't expect TONs, but > there must be something. Then I came to realize just how special this > boat really is - the history - the community - just wow. And who doesn't > like exclusive things?! (oh, right; its possible to find parts for mass > produced things) Anyways, I am here now and ready most of Junes > discussions already - I see the extensive archive on Rhodes22.org (IIRC). > > I have been emailing with Stan back and forth over the last weeks and I am > going for a recycled boat. I don't see why I wouldn't buy one from him? I > have seen some project boats on the private market, but their trailers were > neglected... > > My fingers move like wind - so I AM sorry for bending your ear back;) > > Best, > Tom > > > > >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 3:22 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> Tom, >> >> Glad you found us. >> >> People are probably curious about your search for a Rhodes 22. Have you >> considered a recycled boat? Have you been in contact with General Boats? >> Where are you located, and what kind of sailing are you planning on doing? >> >> You probably have questions about the Rhodes 22 as well. Whatever the >> question is, it?s probably been asked and answered at least a dozen times >> before, but go ahead and ask anyway. If we limited our discussions to >> topics that have never been mentioned before, well, we?d have almost >> nothing to talk about at all. >> >> Nabble does provide a nice interface for searching the archives, but >> there are a couple of Nabble related issues you should be aware of: >> >> 1) Nabble searches its archives, not our archives. And, its archives are >> not complete. The first message on the list was posted in July of 2002. >> Nabble?s archive appears to only go back to January of 2006 (with the >> exception of a single message from 2004, for some reason). >> >> 2) If you post a message with an attachment to the list using the Nabble >> interface, Nabble keeps the attachment and inserts a link to it in the body >> of the message. The problem is that Nabble has on at least one occasion >> reorganized its directory structure for storing attachments, breaking the >> attachment links in all prior messages. So many attachments in archived >> messages are lost to us forever. >> >> So, best practice is to post directly to the list, especially for messages >> with attachments. Unfortunately, the list-server software (Mailman ?) >> doesn?t like the way that the Mac email client formats messages with >> attachments, and the attachments end up getting stripped out. As a Mac >> user, on the rare occasion when I want to send a message with an >> attachment, I use a web mail client interface provided by the web-hosting >> service I use for sunnybeeches.com. >> >> Anyway, sorry to bend your ear, and welcome to the list. >> >> ?Peter >> >> >>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Tom Van Heule < >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >>> >>> I had some plans once I found a boat to offer this - I am in IT by trade, >>> and we need SSL certs with all of our personal contact info floating >>> around. >>> I also found http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ is actually usable >>> for past reading of these archives. >>> >>> I have a place to host everything (servers in a datacenter) great topic! >>> >>> Tom >>> -- >>> Tom Van Heule >>> Intrinsic Programs >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com >>> +1 303 525 5266 >> >> > > -- > Tom Van Heule > Intrinsic Programs > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > +1 303 525 5266 From ric at stottarchitecture.com Thu Jul 9 07:01:41 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 07:01:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Welcome Tim and best to you in your endeavor for a family cruiser. I think a recycled boat from Stan is the perfect choice. Ric Sv Dadventure HBNY Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 8, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Eric Smith via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?Tom, > > I strongly recommend a recycled boat from Stan. I have a 1995, purchased in 2004 once she was recycled. Then she was fully renovated again by GB in 2016. Never have had a single problem > > Learned to sail on a 42 foot Morgan back in the late ?70?s and wouldn?t trade my Rhodes for it, even with the extra 20 feet. > > Eric Smith > Red Mistress > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 8, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> >> ?Its great Peter, Feeling welcome already. >> >> We are in 53058 and will be inland (dry sailing i think, trying to locate a >> slip/moore/etc in the middle of summer.....) with Lake Michigan for >> weekend/week cruises. >> I happened upon the R22 from a suggestion my Aunt made on our boat hunt >> (she ran a sailing beach in Chicago for ... 30+ years) she said, oh look at >> the CAL 20, look at the Rainbow17?, look at the Rhodes 19. I knew I >> wanted something over 20ft (need comfy space for the family) and saw the >> 22.... it was pretty much a done deal. >> >> But there was a problem, there was NO bad press about them. Understanding >> that sailboats are not cars and washing machines, I didn't expect TONs, but >> there must be something. Then I came to realize just how special this >> boat really is - the history - the community - just wow. And who doesn't >> like exclusive things?! (oh, right; its possible to find parts for mass >> produced things) Anyways, I am here now and ready most of Junes >> discussions already - I see the extensive archive on Rhodes22.org (IIRC). >> >> I have been emailing with Stan back and forth over the last weeks and I am >> going for a recycled boat. I don't see why I wouldn't buy one from him? I >> have seen some project boats on the private market, but their trailers were >> neglected... >> >> My fingers move like wind - so I AM sorry for bending your ear back;) >> >> Best, >> Tom >> >> >> >> >>>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 3:22 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: >>> >>> Tom, >>> >>> Glad you found us. >>> >>> People are probably curious about your search for a Rhodes 22. Have you >>> considered a recycled boat? Have you been in contact with General Boats? >>> Where are you located, and what kind of sailing are you planning on doing? >>> >>> You probably have questions about the Rhodes 22 as well. Whatever the >>> question is, it?s probably been asked and answered at least a dozen times >>> before, but go ahead and ask anyway. If we limited our discussions to >>> topics that have never been mentioned before, well, we?d have almost >>> nothing to talk about at all. >>> >>> Nabble does provide a nice interface for searching the archives, but >>> there are a couple of Nabble related issues you should be aware of: >>> >>> 1) Nabble searches its archives, not our archives. And, its archives are >>> not complete. The first message on the list was posted in July of 2002. >>> Nabble?s archive appears to only go back to January of 2006 (with the >>> exception of a single message from 2004, for some reason). >>> >>> 2) If you post a message with an attachment to the list using the Nabble >>> interface, Nabble keeps the attachment and inserts a link to it in the body >>> of the message. The problem is that Nabble has on at least one occasion >>> reorganized its directory structure for storing attachments, breaking the >>> attachment links in all prior messages. So many attachments in archived >>> messages are lost to us forever. >>> >>> So, best practice is to post directly to the list, especially for messages >>> with attachments. Unfortunately, the list-server software (Mailman ?) >>> doesn?t like the way that the Mac email client formats messages with >>> attachments, and the attachments end up getting stripped out. As a Mac >>> user, on the rare occasion when I want to send a message with an >>> attachment, I use a web mail client interface provided by the web-hosting >>> service I use for sunnybeeches.com. >>> >>> Anyway, sorry to bend your ear, and welcome to the list. >>> >>> ?Peter >>> >>> >>>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Tom Van Heule < >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I had some plans once I found a boat to offer this - I am in IT by trade, >>>> and we need SSL certs with all of our personal contact info floating >>>> around. >>>> I also found http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ is actually usable >>>> for past reading of these archives. >>>> >>>> I have a place to host everything (servers in a datacenter) great topic! >>>> >>>> Tom >>>> -- >>>> Tom Van Heule >>>> Intrinsic Programs >>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com >>>> +1 303 525 5266 >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Tom Van Heule >> Intrinsic Programs >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com >> +1 303 525 5266 > From joedempsey at hughes.net Thu Jul 9 11:47:12 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:47:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anyone have an extra outhaul car? In-Reply-To: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1594309632383-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I just purchased the new style outhaul car from Stan. The old one is still functional, just needs a new sheeve. Make me an offer. I won't have it available until I get back to my Rhodes which should be a week or two. We're in a hot spell here in Virginia going to upper 90's next week. Photo attached: ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lgioia at yahoo.com Thu Jul 9 14:00:54 2020 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 14:00:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anyone have an extra outhaul car? In-Reply-To: <1594309632383-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1594309632383-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <92C7EF59-EEDE-415F-8885-C65518D46228@yahoo.com> Oh that?s the style I have on my ?86 which I just bought in March - I have a question, I may not be rigging it properly. I keep it tightened down at the after end of the boom. But on my 2014 it?s a nylon piece that slides back and forth in the track as the mainsail is furled/unfurled. Should this one slide back & forth too as the sail is furled/unfurled? Or is tightened/stationary - as I?m doing it - the better way? Thanks! > On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:47 AM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > ?I just purchased the new style outhaul car from Stan. The old one is still > functional, just needs a new sheeve. Make me an offer. I won't have it > available until I get back to my Rhodes which should be a week or two. We're > in a hot spell here in Virginia going to upper 90's next week. Photo > attached: > > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From retro53 at msn.com Thu Jul 9 15:10:32 2020 From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 19:10:32 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Thomas, I installed the stanchions and lifelines myself. Got most of the equipment from Sailrite. I chose to use Suncor Quick Attach Hardware to attach the lifeline wire to the fittings because they don't require a swaging kit. Cost a few bucks but I think it's all good quality. John ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 8:22 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents Looks good! I noticed that you had stantions and lifelines. Did you install those and know where to purchase? > On Jul 6, 2020, at 7:59 PM, John Keyser wrote: > > ?Apparently, I found a great way to contact Stan a few months ago when I erroneously posted that the company was no longer in business and that Stan was no longer among us. He quickly corrected both of those notions for me. > > On another note - I saw a few posts regarding refinishing gelcoat: > My Rhodes is a 1980 that looked like she had never been waxed or polished in her 40-year life. Not wishing to spend an inordinate amount of time waxing on and waxing off, I applied Poli Glow to the hull. There are videos on YouTube, but basically, you just have to apply the stuff with a clean cloth, let it dry and apply another coat. No need to polish. The hull went from totally flat to quite nice (I think). So far, it's held up well. I didn't take any on purpose before and after pictures, but these two should give you an idea. The first is what it looked like before, and the second is what it looked like after - I think you may be able to see the reflection of the water on the hull in that one. > > John Keyser > Deci-Belle > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mark Whipple > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 6:36 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents > > I would also concur that it can be challenging to purchase parts from GB. > Stan is a great guy and a terrific resource for us all. Unfortunately, > after losing his brother and his wife he has quite a lot on his hands > trying to keep things going. I am sure we all wish Stan the best but at > some point a boat owner needs to find a solution to the problem they have > so they can go sailing. I can't imagine how solving a problem with one's > own boat or helping another owner solve theirs could be seen as a slight > against Stan or GB, especially under the current circumstances. > > FWIW I purchased/enrolled in the COS or ROC or whatever we're calling it > now. > > Mark Whipple > > Boston,MA > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Compac 16 *For Sale* > >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 6:10 PM Todd Tavares wrote: >> >> P.S. >> >> I have a machine shop, and I ain't afraid to use it... ;) >> >> Todd T >> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 18:07 Todd Tavares wrote: >>> >>> Well, this an old wound and we probably shouldn't tear the scab off. >>> >>> (HEAVILY REDACTED) >>> >>> ...but this is a Rhodes 22 owner's list, not a General Boats list. >>> >>> >>> My 2 cents... >>> >>> Todd T. >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 15:57 Mark West via Rhodes22-list < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Cecillia well said I'm in agreement >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 3:31 pm >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents >>>> >>>> I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively >>>> in >>>> production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering >>>> them are in the spirit of the List's mission. >>>> >>>> If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. >>>> >>>> Cecilia >>>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Deci-Belle 001.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4084042 bytes > Desc: Deci-Belle 001.JPG > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20180612_113215.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 310233 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20180612_113215.jpg > URL: From tvpolise at aol.com Thu Jul 9 16:31:04 2020 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 16:31:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are the stantions sturdy? Thank you. I?ll check it out. > On Jul 9, 2020, at 3:10 PM, John Keyser wrote: > > ? > Hi Thomas, > > I installed the stanchions and lifelines myself. Got most of the equipment from Sailrite. I chose to use Suncor Quick Attach Hardware to attach the lifeline wire to the fittings because they don't require a swaging kit. Cost a few bucks but I think it's all good quality. > > John > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 8:22 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents > > Looks good! I noticed that you had stantions and lifelines. Did you install those and know where to purchase? > > > On Jul 6, 2020, at 7:59 PM, John Keyser wrote: > > > > ?Apparently, I found a great way to contact Stan a few months ago when I erroneously posted that the company was no longer in business and that Stan was no longer among us. He quickly corrected both of those notions for me. > > > > On another note - I saw a few posts regarding refinishing gelcoat: > > My Rhodes is a 1980 that looked like she had never been waxed or polished in her 40-year life. Not wishing to spend an inordinate amount of time waxing on and waxing off, I applied Poli Glow to the hull. There are videos on YouTube, but basically, you just have to apply the stuff with a clean cloth, let it dry and apply another coat. No need to polish. The hull went from totally flat to quite nice (I think). So far, it's held up well. I didn't take any on purpose before and after pictures, but these two should give you an idea. The first is what it looked like before, and the second is what it looked like after - I think you may be able to see the reflection of the water on the hull in that one. > > > > John Keyser > > Deci-Belle > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mark Whipple > > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 6:36 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents > > > > I would also concur that it can be challenging to purchase parts from GB. > > Stan is a great guy and a terrific resource for us all. Unfortunately, > > after losing his brother and his wife he has quite a lot on his hands > > trying to keep things going. I am sure we all wish Stan the best but at > > some point a boat owner needs to find a solution to the problem they have > > so they can go sailing. I can't imagine how solving a problem with one's > > own boat or helping another owner solve theirs could be seen as a slight > > against Stan or GB, especially under the current circumstances. > > > > FWIW I purchased/enrolled in the COS or ROC or whatever we're calling it > > now. > > > > Mark Whipple > > > > Boston,MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > 1982 Compac 16 *For Sale* > > > >> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 6:10 PM Todd Tavares wrote: > >> > >> P.S. > >> > >> I have a machine shop, and I ain't afraid to use it... ;) > >> > >> Todd T > >> > >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 18:07 Todd Tavares wrote: > >>> > >>> Well, this an old wound and we probably shouldn't tear the scab off. > >>> > >>> (HEAVILY REDACTED) > >>> > >>> ...but this is a Rhodes 22 owner's list, not a General Boats list. > >>> > >>> > >>> My 2 cents... > >>> > >>> Todd T. > >>> > >>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 15:57 Mark West via Rhodes22-list < > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Cecillia well said I'm in agreement > >>>> Mark > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: C Gabriel <4cgabriel at gmail.com> > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 6, 2020 3:31 pm > >>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My 2 cents > >>>> > >>>> I do not believe that posting pictures of Stan's parts that are actively > >>>> in > >>>> production and actively shipping for the purposes of reverse engineering > >>>> them are in the spirit of the List's mission. > >>>> > >>>> If you want one design your own or buy one from Stan. > >>>> > >>>> Cecilia > >>>> > >>> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Deci-Belle 001.JPG > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 4084042 bytes > > Desc: Deci-Belle 001.JPG > > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: thumbnail_20180612_113215.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 310233 bytes > > Desc: thumbnail_20180612_113215.jpg > > URL: > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 16:40:23 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 15:40:23 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 Message-ID: Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun Lake in Iowa. It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally sail. Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an adventure than expected. The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on the trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced. Fortunately, one of the guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that. We tested out the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a broken bunk. I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on the trailer. Much better to have that happen without a boat on it! We replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that later) and loaded up the boat. For the first time, I used the mast lowering system on the water and that worked well. I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next day. An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew. We quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the trailer was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. Fortunately the rim was not damaged. The tires were 8 ply from 2017. They made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but appeared to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter. The shredded tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a trailer guide bar on that side. I'm lucky it was not more serious. Anyway, after putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a few miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires. They got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm probably lucky the blowout happened close to that shop. The trailer runs smoother on the new tires. Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since that is where they had availability. Instead of the small boats for company, we were the tiny boat in these slips. Imagine my surprise to see sailboats up to 40' in Iowa. Some of these bigger boats seem to be used more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and sailing. There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we saw a couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would use that ramp. We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the steep ramp with the trailer extension in use. After we were fully off the trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp. Uh oh. It turns out we backed off the end of the ramp. Fortunately, we had taken the new spare bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the trailer just before launching. We used that as a giant lever placed under the frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck was able to pull the trailer out. Whew! We later learned that we used the high water ramp (the water was not high). Unfortunately there was not signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention of this by the staff. Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling embarrassed. I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which had been recently for sale) and a 2000. Unfortunately, I did not see the owners there. It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in person. The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is the furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day. We anchored out on Friday and Saturday night. We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the boat on the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I recently bought. In time I'll be following up with some questions on anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things. I've read the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4) is working out in practice. I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept on top of cockpit cushions on a bench. I had made cockpit filler planks but they were content to each sleep on a bench. It wasn't buggy and we didn't even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. Returning was a lot easier. We used the normal ramp to retrieve and didn't have any problem. I waded out to check the water depth first to be on the safe side. Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been through the processes together a few days earlier. Trailering was uneventful on the way back. My trailer is at the trailer shop for a few minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used to camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the winter. Does anyone else do this? I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before leaving. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: RathbunMorning.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 86798 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 16:41:50 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 13:41:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> <46220CEC-956B-4309-8863-E12FB1B116E7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1594413710174-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Tom, welcome to the list! We look forward to hearing about your R22 when you get it. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 20:29:38 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:29:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for sharing your adventure with us. I enjoyed the tale and lesson too! Bottle jack, don?t leave home without it. On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 16:40, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun Lake > in Iowa. It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally > sail. Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an adventure > than expected. The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on the > trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced. Fortunately, one of the > guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that. We tested out > the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a > broken bunk. I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on the > trailer. Much better to have that happen without a boat on it! We > replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that later) > and loaded up the boat. For the first time, I used the mast lowering > system on the water and that worked well. > > I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next day. > An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew. We > quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the trailer > was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. > Fortunately the rim was not damaged. The tires were 8 ply from 2017. They > made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but appeared > to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter. The shredded > tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a trailer > guide bar on that side. I'm lucky it was not more serious. Anyway, after > putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a few > miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires. They > got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm probably > lucky the blowout happened close to that shop. The trailer runs smoother > on the new tires. > > Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since > that is where they had availability. Instead of the small boats for > company, we were the tiny boat in these slips. Imagine my surprise to see > sailboats up to 40' in Iowa. Some of these bigger boats seem to be used > more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and sailing. > > There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we saw a > couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would use > that ramp. We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the steep > ramp with the trailer extension in use. After we were fully off the > trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp. Uh oh. It turns out we > backed off the end of the ramp. Fortunately, we had taken the new spare > bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the trailer > just before launching. We used that as a giant lever placed under the > frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck was > able to pull the trailer out. Whew! We later learned that we used the > high water ramp (the water was not high). Unfortunately there was not > signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention of > this by the staff. Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling > embarrassed. > > I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which had > been recently for sale) and a 2000. Unfortunately, I did not see the > owners there. It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in person. > > The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is the > furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day. We anchored out on Friday and > Saturday night. We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the boat on > the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I > recently bought. In time I'll be following up with some questions on > anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things. I've read > the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how > Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4) is > working out in practice. > > I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept on > top of cockpit cushions on a bench. I had made cockpit filler planks but > they were content to each sleep on a bench. It wasn't buggy and we didn't > even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. > > Returning was a lot easier. We used the normal ramp to retrieve and didn't > have any problem. I waded out to check the water depth first to be on the > safe side. Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been > through the processes together a few days earlier. Trailering was > uneventful on the way back. My trailer is at the trailer shop for a few > minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. > > I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used to > camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. > > My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the > tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the > winter. Does anyone else do this? > > I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before leaving. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: RathbunMorning.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 86798 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200710/4db4c915/attachment.jpe > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sat Jul 11 16:08:35 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 20:08:35 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Jesse, Nice photo! It reminds me of my favorite anchorage called the Church Camp Cove on Sanford Lake prior to the flood this spring. I won?t be anchoring there anytime soon. You can certainly use jack stands as per the recommendation of your automotive gearhead friends. However, you might consider what I did. The attached photo shows a screw-type jack welded onto the trailer frame. There is one of these jacks port and starboard. They each have a quick-release pin. They swing up for trailering and come off for launch/retrieval, so you never immerse them. Using these two jacks and the tongue jack, one can get the weight off the tires for the winter. However, you can also use these jacks to change a tire by the side of the road. You can also use them to level the boat on it?s trailer, so you can use the Rhodes? cabin as a sort of travel trailer for overnight stays in campgrounds. The Rhodes 22?s cabin is way more comfortable than a tent, there?s a full galley, potta-potti, and you?re way up high so the critters can?t get to you. Some campgrounds don?t allow tent camping, so you simply register your Rhodes 22 Pop-Up Camper! I find it comforting to wake up in the morning looking down on my fellow campers. You will never have to carry an extra bottle jack again! However, you might consider throwing a 2 ton come-along into your bag of trailering gear just in case you get stuck on a launch ramp again. The come-along + a stout anchor rode will rescue you from many sticky situations. One of Stan?s beliefs is that everything on the Rhodes 22 should do multiple duties. I think that philosophy should extend to the trailer as well! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium[cid:image002.jpg at 01D6579D.86263060] Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Geankoplis Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:29 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 Thanks for sharing your adventure with us. I enjoyed the tale and lesson too! Bottle jack, don?t leave home without it. On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 16:40, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun Lake > in Iowa. It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally > sail. Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an adventure > than expected. The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on the > trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced. Fortunately, one of the > guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that. We tested out > the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a > broken bunk. I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on the > trailer. Much better to have that happen without a boat on it! We > replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that later) > and loaded up the boat. For the first time, I used the mast lowering > system on the water and that worked well. > > I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next day. > An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew. We > quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the trailer > was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. > Fortunately the rim was not damaged. The tires were 8 ply from 2017. They > made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but appeared > to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter. The shredded > tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a trailer > guide bar on that side. I'm lucky it was not more serious. Anyway, after > putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a few > miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires. They > got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm probably > lucky the blowout happened close to that shop. The trailer runs smoother > on the new tires. > > Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since > that is where they had availability. Instead of the small boats for > company, we were the tiny boat in these slips. Imagine my surprise to see > sailboats up to 40' in Iowa. Some of these bigger boats seem to be used > more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and sailing. > > There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we saw a > couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would use > that ramp. We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the steep > ramp with the trailer extension in use. After we were fully off the > trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp. Uh oh. It turns out we > backed off the end of the ramp. Fortunately, we had taken the new spare > bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the trailer > just before launching. We used that as a giant lever placed under the > frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck was > able to pull the trailer out. Whew! We later learned that we used the > high water ramp (the water was not high). Unfortunately there was not > signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention of > this by the staff. Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling > embarrassed. > > I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which had > been recently for sale) and a 2000. Unfortunately, I did not see the > owners there. It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in person. > > The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is the > furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day. We anchored out on Friday and > Saturday night. We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the boat on > the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I > recently bought. In time I'll be following up with some questions on > anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things. I've read > the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how > Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4) is > working out in practice. > > I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept on > top of cockpit cushions on a bench. I had made cockpit filler planks but > they were content to each sleep on a bench. It wasn't buggy and we didn't > even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. > > Returning was a lot easier. We used the normal ramp to retrieve and didn't > have any problem. I waded out to check the water depth first to be on the > safe side. Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been > through the processes together a few days earlier. Trailering was > uneventful on the way back. My trailer is at the trailer shop for a few > minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. > > I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used to > camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. > > My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the > tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the > winter. Does anyone else do this? > > I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before leaving. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: RathbunMorning.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 86798 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200710/4db4c915/attachment.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 111528 bytes Desc: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 09:14:44 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 08:14:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, thanks for the tips and the photo of your trailer setup. It's funny that you should mention the rear jacks since I just did something similar on Friday and the inspiration was from a photo of your trailer that I had stumbled on awhile ago on rhodes22.org ( http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/jack1.jpg). I had two tongue jacks, one that was on the trailer when I got it (but the wheel didn't turn very well) and another one on the other side that I added last year when I got the trailer - however that one didn't want to turn very well either. I had left on the old one as a backup. Since I was taking care of a few things on my trailer already, I put on a new double wheel tongue jack that is more stout. I moved the two jacks that had been on the tongue so that there is one on each side of the rear of the trailer, so it serves a similar purpose to the jacks you mentioned in terms of stabilization. Since all these jacks are on wheels, chocks are still needed to prevent the trailer from moving around. I like your setup where you put the wheels up on a board, putting chocks on top of the board, and take off most of the weight by using the jacks. Where I park for the winter, there can be some occasional standing water or snow so it would be good to have the tires up off the ground a bit. I might use a couple of jack stands on either side as well to spread the load out when I store it for the winter. Tire covers claim to provide some UV protection and are a minimal expense so I'm going to put those on. Hopefully all this leads to tires that stay in good shape for longer. As you mentioned, having the jacks on the front and rear should make for a stable platform when working on the boat on the hard, or for accommodations in campground en route. With the pop top enclosure, and the mosquito netting over the bimini to enclose the cockpit, it really meet the the pop up camper criteria! I will take a look at getting a come-along as well. It sounds like that would be a good addition to my growing list of trailering gear. Given the difficult circumstances at your place with the failed dams, do you intend to trailer your boat anywhere else this season? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:08 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > Nice photo! It reminds me of my favorite anchorage called the Church Camp > Cove on Sanford Lake prior to the flood this spring. I won?t be anchoring > there anytime soon. > > You can certainly use jack stands as per the recommendation of your > automotive gearhead friends. However, you might consider what I did. The > attached photo shows a screw-type jack welded onto the trailer frame. > There is one of these jacks port and starboard. They each have a > quick-release pin. They swing up for trailering and come off for > launch/retrieval, so you never immerse them. Using these two jacks and the > tongue jack, one can get the weight off the tires for the winter. However, > you can also use these jacks to change a tire by the side of the road. You > can also use them to level the boat on it?s trailer, so you can use the > Rhodes? cabin as a sort of travel trailer for overnight stays in > campgrounds. The Rhodes 22?s cabin is way more comfortable than a tent, > there?s a full galley, potta-potti, and you?re way up high so the critters > can?t get to you. Some campgrounds don?t allow tent camping, so you simply > register your Rhodes 22 Pop-Up Camper! I find it comforting to wake up in > the morning looking down on my fellow campers. You will never have to > carry an extra bottle jack again! However, you might consider throwing a 2 > ton come-along into your bag of trailering gear just in case you get stuck > on a launch ramp again. The come-along + a stout anchor rode will rescue > you from many sticky situations. > > One of Stan?s beliefs is that everything on the Rhodes 22 should do > multiple duties. I think that philosophy should extend to the trailer as > well! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium[cid:image002.jpg at 01D6579D.86263060] > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 > > Thanks for sharing your adventure with us. I enjoyed the tale and lesson > too! Bottle jack, don?t leave home without it. > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 16:40, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun Lake > > in Iowa. It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally > > sail. Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an > adventure > > than expected. The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on > the > > trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced. Fortunately, one of > the > > guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that. We tested > out > > the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a > > broken bunk. I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on > the > > trailer. Much better to have that happen without a boat on it! We > > replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that > later) > > and loaded up the boat. For the first time, I used the mast lowering > > system on the water and that worked well. > > > > I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next > day. > > An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew. We > > quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the > trailer > > was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. > > Fortunately the rim was not damaged. The tires were 8 ply from 2017. > They > > made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but > appeared > > to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter. The shredded > > tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a trailer > > guide bar on that side. I'm lucky it was not more serious. Anyway, > after > > putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a few > > miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires. They > > got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm > probably > > lucky the blowout happened close to that shop. The trailer runs smoother > > on the new tires. > > > > Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since > > that is where they had availability. Instead of the small boats for > > company, we were the tiny boat in these slips. Imagine my surprise to > see > > sailboats up to 40' in Iowa. Some of these bigger boats seem to be used > > more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and sailing. > > > > There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we saw > a > > couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would > use > > that ramp. We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the > steep > > ramp with the trailer extension in use. After we were fully off the > > trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp. Uh oh. It turns out > we > > backed off the end of the ramp. Fortunately, we had taken the new spare > > bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the trailer > > just before launching. We used that as a giant lever placed under the > > frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck was > > able to pull the trailer out. Whew! We later learned that we used the > > high water ramp (the water was not high). Unfortunately there was not > > signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention of > > this by the staff. Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling > > embarrassed. > > > > I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which had > > been recently for sale) and a 2000. Unfortunately, I did not see the > > owners there. It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in person. > > > > The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is > the > > furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day. We anchored out on Friday > and > > Saturday night. We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the boat > on > > the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I > > recently bought. In time I'll be following up with some questions on > > anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things. I've read > > the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how > > Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4) > is > > working out in practice. > > > > I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept on > > top of cockpit cushions on a bench. I had made cockpit filler planks but > > they were content to each sleep on a bench. It wasn't buggy and we > didn't > > even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. > > > > Returning was a lot easier. We used the normal ramp to retrieve and > didn't > > have any problem. I waded out to check the water depth first to be on > the > > safe side. Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been > > through the processes together a few days earlier. Trailering was > > uneventful on the way back. My trailer is at the trailer shop for a few > > minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. > > > > I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used > to > > camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. > > > > My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the > > tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the > > winter. Does anyone else do this? > > > > I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before leaving. > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: RathbunMorning.JPG > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 86798 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200710/4db4c915/attachment.jpe > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 111528 bytes > Desc: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200711/cdac89ea/attachment.jpg > > > From daysails at aol.com Sun Jul 12 09:49:24 2020 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 13:49:24 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> There is another benefit of having these rear jacks.? A number of years ago I pulled my Rhodes 22 and left it on the trailer at the marina while I was working overseas. The drain holes in the cockpit became blocked up with leaves and a spring rain storm filled the cockpit with rain water.? The weight of the water tipped the bow up and the water submerged the motor lift.? The marina eventually got around to clearing the water out but the motor had to be replaced.? The jacks would have prevented all this.? Of course so would cleaning out the cockpit drains.? Joe Riley "Sailing on a Second Wind"? Lake Hartwell,? SC -----Original Message----- From: Jesse Shumaker To: I wishThe Rhodes 22 EmAail List Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2020 9:14 am Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage Roger, thanks for the tips and the photo of your trailer setup.? It's funny that you should mention the rear jacks since I just did something similar on Friday and the inspiration was from a photo of your trailer that I had stumbled on awhile ago on rhodes22.org ( http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/jack1.jpg).? I had two tongue jacks, one that was on the trailer when I got it (but the wheel didn't turn very well) and another one on the other side that I added last year when I got the trailer - however that one didn't want to turn very well either.? I had left on the old one as a backup.? Since I was taking care of a few things on my trailer already, I put on a new double wheel tongue jack that is more stout.? I moved the two jacks that had been on the tongue so that there is one on each side of the rear of the trailer, so it serves a similar purpose to the jacks you mentioned in terms of stabilization.? Since all these jacks are on wheels, chocks are still needed to prevent the trailer from moving around.? I like your setup where you put the wheels up on a board, putting chocks on top of the board, and take off most of the weight by using the jacks.? Where I park for the winter, there can be some occasional standing water or snow so it would be good to have the tires up off the ground a bit.? I might use a couple of jack stands on either side as well to spread the load out when I store it for the winter.? Tire covers claim to provide some UV protection and are a minimal expense so I'm going to put those on.? Hopefully all this leads to tires that stay in good shape for longer. As you mentioned, having the jacks on the front and rear should make for a stable platform when working on the boat on the hard, or for accommodations in campground en route.? With the pop top enclosure, and the mosquito netting over the bimini to enclose the cockpit, it really meet the the pop up camper criteria! I will take a look at getting a come-along as well.? It sounds like that would be a good addition to my growing list of trailering gear. Given the difficult circumstances at your place with the failed dams, do you intend to trailer your boat anywhere else this season? On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:08 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > Nice photo!? It reminds me of my favorite anchorage called the Church Camp > Cove on Sanford Lake prior to the flood this spring.? I won?t be anchoring > there anytime soon. > > You can certainly use jack stands as per the recommendation of your > automotive gearhead friends.? However, you might consider what I did.? The > attached photo shows a screw-type jack welded onto the trailer frame. > There is one of these jacks port and starboard.? They each have a > quick-release pin.? They swing up for trailering and come off for > launch/retrieval, so you never immerse them.? Using these two jacks and the > tongue jack, one can get the weight off the tires for the winter.? However, > you can also use these jacks to change a tire by the side of the road.? You > can also use them to level the boat on it?s trailer, so you can use the > Rhodes? cabin as a sort of travel trailer for overnight stays in > campgrounds.? The Rhodes 22?s cabin is way more comfortable than a tent, > there?s a full galley, potta-potti, and you?re way up high so the critters > can?t get to you.? Some campgrounds don?t allow tent camping, so you simply > register your Rhodes 22 Pop-Up Camper!? I find it comforting to wake up in > the morning looking down on my fellow campers.? You will never have to > carry an extra bottle jack again!? However, you might consider throwing a 2 > ton come-along into your bag of trailering gear just in case you get stuck > on a launch ramp again.? The come-along + a stout anchor rode will rescue > you from many sticky situations. > > One of Stan?s beliefs is that everything on the Rhodes 22 should do > multiple duties.? I think that philosophy should extend to the trailer as > well! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium[cid:image002.jpg at 01D6579D.86263060] > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 > > Thanks for sharing your adventure with us. I enjoyed the tale and lesson > too!? Bottle jack, don?t leave home without it. > > On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 16:40, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun Lake > > in Iowa.? It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally > > sail.? Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an > adventure > > than expected.? The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on > the > > trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced.? Fortunately, one of > the > > guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that.? We tested > out > > the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a > > broken bunk.? I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on > the > > trailer.? Much better to have that happen without a boat on it!? We > > replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that > later) > > and loaded up the boat.? For the first time, I used the mast lowering > > system on the water and that worked well. > > > > I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next > day. > > An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew.? We > > quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the > trailer > > was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. > > Fortunately the rim was not damaged.? The tires were 8 ply from 2017. > They > > made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but > appeared > > to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter.? The shredded > > tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a trailer > > guide bar on that side.? I'm lucky it was not more serious.? Anyway, > after > > putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a few > > miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires.? They > > got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm > probably > > lucky the blowout happened close to that shop.? The trailer runs smoother > > on the new tires. > > > > Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since > > that is where they had availability.? Instead of the small boats for > > company, we were the tiny boat in these slips.? Imagine my surprise to > see > > sailboats up to 40' in Iowa.? Some of these bigger boats seem to be used > > more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and sailing. > > > > There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we saw > a > > couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would > use > > that ramp.? We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the > steep > > ramp with the trailer extension in use.? After we were fully off the > > trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp.? Uh oh.? It turns out > we > > backed off the end of the ramp.? Fortunately, we had taken the new spare > > bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the trailer > > just before launching.? We used that as a giant lever placed under the > > frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck was > > able to pull the trailer out.? Whew!? We later learned that we used the > > high water ramp (the water was not high).? Unfortunately there was not > > signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention of > > this by the staff.? Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling > > embarrassed. > > > > I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which had > > been recently for sale) and a 2000.? Unfortunately, I did not see the > > owners there.? It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in person. > > > > The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is > the > > furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day.? We anchored out on Friday > and > > Saturday night.? We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the boat > on > > the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I > > recently bought.? In time I'll be following up with some questions on > > anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things.? I've read > > the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how > > Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4) > is > > working out in practice. > > > > I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept on > > top of cockpit cushions on a bench.? I had made cockpit filler planks but > > they were content to each sleep on a bench.? It wasn't buggy and we > didn't > > even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. > > > > Returning was a lot easier.? We used the normal ramp to retrieve and > didn't > > have any problem.? I waded out to check the water depth first to be on > the > > safe side.? Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been > > through the processes together a few days earlier.? Trailering was > > uneventful on the way back.? My trailer is at the trailer shop for a few > > minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. > > > > I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used > to > > camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. > > > > My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the > > tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the > > winter.? Does anyone else do this? > > > > I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before leaving. > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: RathbunMorning.JPG > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 86798 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200710/4db4c915/attachment.jpe > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 111528 bytes > Desc: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200711/cdac89ea/attachment.jpg > > > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sun Jul 12 10:26:32 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 07:26:32 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> References: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1594563992766-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I am not a techie, but absolutely see the need to revamp the class?s online presence and want to help as I can. Lacking a commodore I?m not sure how we should get the project off the ground. If we want to use da list as a quorum that is cool, Otherwise somebody has to run with it and the rest have to keep quiet if we don?t approve. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Sun Jul 12 10:58:43 2020 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 10:58:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: <1594563992766-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> <1594563992766-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <11C0BD4F-5072-45D4-93A7-A51C31B1A64F@gmail.com> Alex, I am an Applications and Intranet Developer (Software Engineer) for Southeastern Guide Dogs, and I have offered to help in previous threads. I have servers where I can run the site(s), but I doppelg?nger?s need access to the current server hosting the site. I?d like to develop something more apt to date, but be able to transfer all the info in the current site. Luis A. Guzm?n II http://www.TropicalMinds.com 941 580-1577 S/V 1983 Aquetxali > On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:26 AM, S/V Lark wrote: > > I am not a techie, but absolutely see the need to revamp the class?s online > presence and want to help as I can. > > Lacking a commodore I?m not sure how we should get the project off the > ground. If we want to use da list as a quorum that is cool, Otherwise > somebody has to run with it and the rest have to keep quiet if we don?t > approve. > > Alex > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun Jul 12 11:53:30 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:53:30 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> References: , <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Jessie, Yes, having the rear jacks will absolutely stop accumulated water in the stern from causing the bow to rise up. It also allows you to have as many people in the cockpit as you wish when you are camping. Unfortunately, a lot of my Rhodes 22 cruising gear is locked up and inaccessible at Johnson Mini Storage. MDOT is working on putting in a temporary M-30 bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville. However, they must first clear the debris from the river channel. This includes the pieces of the Wixom Dam powerhouse, turbines, and generators. MDOT crews have built a wier just downstream of the wrecked M-30 bridge. This wier restricts the flow of the river upstream of the bridge and makes it deep enough for a work barge. The work barge is gathering debris from the river channel and stacking it on the south river bank. On shore, another tracked vehicle with a hydraulic claw is scooping up the debris and loading it into dump trucks. I?m sure they will remove the wier when the job is finished. However, right now there is a class 3 waterfall/rapids where the river spills over the wier. The work barge is operating < 100 yds upstream of the wier. So, it?s very dangerous work. MDOT?s crystal ball is calling for the temporary M-30 bridge to be in place by early October. I will have no access to Johnson Mini Storage before then. We have no cruise planned on S/V Dynamic Equilibium this year because so much of my gear is locked away. However, in August, I have two water related adventures planned. I am going to lead my Boy Scout Troop on a High Adventure shipwreck SCUBA diving trip in the Straits of Mackinac. Then, later in the month, my two sons, my brother-in-law, and I are going to attempt a west to east voyage on Lake Superior thru the Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore from Munising, MI to Grand Marais, MI by sea kayak. This will be a 4 day, 3 night trip along one the most exposed stretches of Lake Superior coastline! Other than that, my summer is dull! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?There is another benefit of having these rear jacks. A number of years ago I pulled my Rhodes 22 and left it on the trailer at the marina while I was working overseas. The drain holes in the cockpit became blocked up with leaves and a spring rain storm filled the cockpit with rain water. The weight of the water tipped the bow up and the water submerged the motor lift. The marina eventually got around to clearing the water out but the motor had to be replaced. The jacks would have prevented all this. Of course so would cleaning out the cockpit drains. Joe Riley "Sailing on a Second Wind" Lake Hartwell, SC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Shumaker > To: I wishThe Rhodes 22 EmAail List > Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2020 9:14 am > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage > > Roger, thanks for the tips and the photo of your trailer setup. It's funny > that you should mention the rear jacks since I just did something similar > on Friday and the inspiration was from a photo of your trailer that I had > stumbled on awhile ago on rhodes22.org ( > http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/jack1.jpg). I had two tongue jacks, one > that was on the trailer when I got it (but the wheel didn't turn very well) > and another one on the other side that I added last year when I got the > trailer - however that one didn't want to turn very well either. I had > left on the old one as a backup. Since I was taking care of a few things > on my trailer already, I put on a new double wheel tongue jack that is more > stout. I moved the two jacks that had been on the tongue so that there is > one on each side of the rear of the trailer, so it serves a similar purpose > to the jacks you mentioned in terms of stabilization. Since all these > jacks are on wheels, chocks are still needed to prevent the trailer from > moving around. I like your setup where you put the wheels up on a board, > putting chocks on top of the board, and take off most of the weight by > using the jacks. Where I park for the winter, there can be some occasional > standing water or snow so it would be good to have the tires up off the > ground a bit. I might use a couple of jack stands on either side as well > to spread the load out when I store it for the winter. Tire covers claim > to provide some UV protection and are a minimal expense so I'm going to put > those on. Hopefully all this leads to tires that stay in good shape for > longer. > > As you mentioned, having the jacks on the front and rear should make for a > stable platform when working on the boat on the hard, or for accommodations > in campground en route. With the pop top enclosure, and the mosquito > netting over the bimini to enclose the cockpit, it really meet the the pop > up camper criteria! > > I will take a look at getting a come-along as well. It sounds like that > would be a good addition to my growing list of trailering gear. > > Given the difficult circumstances at your place with the failed dams, do > you intend to trailer your boat anywhere else this season? > >> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:08 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Hi Jesse, >> >> Nice photo! It reminds me of my favorite anchorage called the Church Camp >> Cove on Sanford Lake prior to the flood this spring. I won?t be anchoring >> there anytime soon. >> >> You can certainly use jack stands as per the recommendation of your >> automotive gearhead friends. However, you might consider what I did. The >> attached photo shows a screw-type jack welded onto the trailer frame. >> There is one of these jacks port and starboard. They each have a >> quick-release pin. They swing up for trailering and come off for >> launch/retrieval, so you never immerse them. Using these two jacks and the >> tongue jack, one can get the weight off the tires for the winter. However, >> you can also use these jacks to change a tire by the side of the road. You >> can also use them to level the boat on it?s trailer, so you can use the >> Rhodes? cabin as a sort of travel trailer for overnight stays in >> campgrounds. The Rhodes 22?s cabin is way more comfortable than a tent, >> there?s a full galley, potta-potti, and you?re way up high so the critters >> can?t get to you. Some campgrounds don?t allow tent camping, so you simply >> register your Rhodes 22 Pop-Up Camper! I find it comforting to wake up in >> the morning looking down on my fellow campers. You will never have to >> carry an extra bottle jack again! However, you might consider throwing a 2 >> ton come-along into your bag of trailering gear just in case you get stuck >> on a launch ramp again. The come-along + a stout anchor rode will rescue >> you from many sticky situations. >> >> One of Stan?s beliefs is that everything on the Rhodes 22 should do >> multiple duties. I think that philosophy should extend to the trailer as >> well! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium[cid:image002.jpg at 01D6579D.86263060] >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Chris Geankoplis >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:29 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 >> >> Thanks for sharing your adventure with us. I enjoyed the tale and lesson >> too! Bottle jack, don?t leave home without it. >> >> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 16:40, Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun Lake >>> in Iowa. It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally >>> sail. Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an >> adventure >>> than expected. The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on >> the >>> trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced. Fortunately, one of >> the >>> guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that. We tested >> out >>> the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a >>> broken bunk. I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on >> the >>> trailer. Much better to have that happen without a boat on it! We >>> replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that >> later) >>> and loaded up the boat. For the first time, I used the mast lowering >>> system on the water and that worked well. >>> >>> I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next >> day. >>> An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew. We >>> quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the >> trailer >>> was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. >>> Fortunately the rim was not damaged. The tires were 8 ply from 2017. >> They >>> made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but >> appeared >>> to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter. The shredded >>> tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a trailer >>> guide bar on that side. I'm lucky it was not more serious. Anyway, >> after >>> putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a few >>> miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires. They >>> got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm >> probably >>> lucky the blowout happened close to that shop. The trailer runs smoother >>> on the new tires. >>> >>> Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since >>> that is where they had availability. Instead of the small boats for >>> company, we were the tiny boat in these slips. Imagine my surprise to >> see >>> sailboats up to 40' in Iowa. Some of these bigger boats seem to be used >>> more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and sailing. >>> >>> There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we saw >> a >>> couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would >> use >>> that ramp. We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the >> steep >>> ramp with the trailer extension in use. After we were fully off the >>> trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp. Uh oh. It turns out >> we >>> backed off the end of the ramp. Fortunately, we had taken the new spare >>> bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the trailer >>> just before launching. We used that as a giant lever placed under the >>> frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck was >>> able to pull the trailer out. Whew! We later learned that we used the >>> high water ramp (the water was not high). Unfortunately there was not >>> signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention of >>> this by the staff. Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling >>> embarrassed. >>> >>> I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which had >>> been recently for sale) and a 2000. Unfortunately, I did not see the >>> owners there. It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in person. >>> >>> The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is >> the >>> furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day. We anchored out on Friday >> and >>> Saturday night. We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the boat >> on >>> the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I >>> recently bought. In time I'll be following up with some questions on >>> anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things. I've read >>> the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how >>> Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4) >> is >>> working out in practice. >>> >>> I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept on >>> top of cockpit cushions on a bench. I had made cockpit filler planks but >>> they were content to each sleep on a bench. It wasn't buggy and we >> didn't >>> even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. >>> >>> Returning was a lot easier. We used the normal ramp to retrieve and >> didn't >>> have any problem. I waded out to check the water depth first to be on >> the >>> safe side. Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been >>> through the processes together a few days earlier. Trailering was >>> uneventful on the way back. My trailer is at the trailer shop for a few >>> minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. >>> >>> I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used >> to >>> camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. >>> >>> My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the >>> tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the >>> winter. Does anyone else do this? >>> >>> I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before leaving. >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: RathbunMorning.JPG >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 86798 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200710/4db4c915/attachment.jpe >>>> >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 111528 bytes >> Desc: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200711/cdac89ea/attachment.jpg >>> >> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun Jul 12 14:27:55 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 18:27:55 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: , <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Hi Jessie, While getting the weight off the trailer wheels in the winter and covering them with tire covers to limit UV exposure will both help extend trailer tire life, unfortunately the big tire killer is oxygen exposure. Oxygen is the 2nd most reactive element (behind fluorine) and the rubber polymer chains in the tires are vulnerable to its effects. One other thing you can do is fill your tires with nitrogen or argon vs. air. Yes, I know this sounds silly. But, oxygen degradation is a diffusion limited process. All else being equal, having an inert gas inflating the interior of the tire will slow down the diffusion rate by a factor of at least 4X due to switching oxygen diffusion from a 2-way process (outside in + inside out) to 1-way (outside in only). Actually, the inert gas may extend the tire?s life even more because the elevated oxygen partial pressure inside the tire increases the diffusion driving force favoring oxygen diffusion into the tire from the inside out by the ratio of the [absolute inflation air oxygen pressure psia]/[absolute ambient oxygen partial pressure]. For example, suppose you inflate your tires to 40 psi (40 + 14.7 = 54.7 psia). Air contains ~21%vol oxygen. So, the partial pressure of oxygen in the ambient air is 0.21 * 14.7 psia = 3.09 psia. The partial pressure of oxygen inside your tires is 0.21 * 54.7 psia = 11.5 psia. 11.5 psia / 3.09 psia = 3.7 X times more diffusion driving force for oxygen from the inside out when the tire is inflated with air. I would recommend nitrogen vs. argon because it?s cheaper and the thermal conductivity is about the same as air. The thermal conductivity of argon is ~40% less than air, which will cause the tire to run somewhat hotter on the road, which is not good for tire life. But, this is not a big factor. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:53 AM To: daysails at aol.com; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage Hi Jessie, Yes, having the rear jacks will absolutely stop accumulated water in the stern from causing the bow to rise up. It also allows you to have as many people in the cockpit as you wish when you are camping. Unfortunately, a lot of my Rhodes 22 cruising gear is locked up and inaccessible at Johnson Mini Storage. MDOT is working on putting in a temporary M-30 bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville. However, they must first clear the debris from the river channel. This includes the pieces of the Wixom Dam powerhouse, turbines, and generators. MDOT crews have built a wier just downstream of the wrecked M-30 bridge. This wier restricts the flow of the river upstream of the bridge and makes it deep enough for a work barge. The work barge is gathering debris from the river channel and stacking it on the south river bank. On shore, another tracked vehicle with a hydraulic claw is scooping up the debris and loading it into dump trucks. I?m sure they will remove the wier when the job is finished. However, right now there is a class 3 waterfall/rapids where the river spills over the wier. The work barge is operating < 100 yds upstream of the wier. So, it?s very dangerous work. MDOT?s crystal ball is calling for the temporary M-30 bridge to be in place by early October. I will have no access to Johnson Mini Storage before then. We have no cruise planned on S/V Dynamic Equilibium this year because so much of my gear is locked away. However, in August, I have two water related adventures planned. I am going to lead my Boy Scout Troop on a High Adventure shipwreck SCUBA diving trip in the Straits of Mackinac. Then, later in the month, my two sons, my brother-in-law, and I are going to attempt a west to east voyage on Lake Superior thru the Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore from Munising, MI to Grand Marais, MI by sea kayak. This will be a 4 day, 3 night trip along one the most exposed stretches of Lake Superior coastline! Other than that, my summer is dull! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?There is another benefit of having these rear jacks. A number of years ago I pulled my Rhodes 22 and left it on the trailer at the marina while I was working overseas. The drain holes in the cockpit became blocked up with leaves and a spring rain storm filled the cockpit with rain water. The weight of the water tipped the bow up and the water submerged the motor lift. The marina eventually got around to clearing the water out but the motor had to be replaced. The jacks would have prevented all this. Of course so would cleaning out the cockpit drains. Joe Riley "Sailing on a Second Wind" Lake Hartwell, SC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Shumaker > To: I wishThe Rhodes 22 EmAail List > Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2020 9:14 am > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage > > Roger, thanks for the tips and the photo of your trailer setup. It's funny > that you should mention the rear jacks since I just did something similar > on Friday and the inspiration was from a photo of your trailer that I had > stumbled on awhile ago on rhodes22.org ( > http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/jack1.jpg). I had two tongue jacks, one > that was on the trailer when I got it (but the wheel didn't turn very well) > and another one on the other side that I added last year when I got the > trailer - however that one didn't want to turn very well either. I had > left on the old one as a backup. Since I was taking care of a few things > on my trailer already, I put on a new double wheel tongue jack that is more > stout. I moved the two jacks that had been on the tongue so that there is > one on each side of the rear of the trailer, so it serves a similar purpose > to the jacks you mentioned in terms of stabilization. Since all these > jacks are on wheels, chocks are still needed to prevent the trailer from > moving around. I like your setup where you put the wheels up on a board, > putting chocks on top of the board, and take off most of the weight by > using the jacks. Where I park for the winter, there can be some occasional > standing water or snow so it would be good to have the tires up off the > ground a bit. I might use a couple of jack stands on either side as well > to spread the load out when I store it for the winter. Tire covers claim > to provide some UV protection and are a minimal expense so I'm going to put > those on. Hopefully all this leads to tires that stay in good shape for > longer. > > As you mentioned, having the jacks on the front and rear should make for a > stable platform when working on the boat on the hard, or for accommodations > in campground en route. With the pop top enclosure, and the mosquito > netting over the bimini to enclose the cockpit, it really meet the the pop > up camper criteria! > > I will take a look at getting a come-along as well. It sounds like that > would be a good addition to my growing list of trailering gear. > > Given the difficult circumstances at your place with the failed dams, do > you intend to trailer your boat anywhere else this season? > >> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:08 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Hi Jesse, >> >> Nice photo! It reminds me of my favorite anchorage called the Church Camp >> Cove on Sanford Lake prior to the flood this spring. I won?t be anchoring >> there anytime soon. >> >> You can certainly use jack stands as per the recommendation of your >> automotive gearhead friends. However, you might consider what I did. The >> attached photo shows a screw-type jack welded onto the trailer frame. >> There is one of these jacks port and starboard. They each have a >> quick-release pin. They swing up for trailering and come off for >> launch/retrieval, so you never immerse them. Using these two jacks and the >> tongue jack, one can get the weight off the tires for the winter. However, >> you can also use these jacks to change a tire by the side of the road. You >> can also use them to level the boat on it?s trailer, so you can use the >> Rhodes? cabin as a sort of travel trailer for overnight stays in >> campgrounds. The Rhodes 22?s cabin is way more comfortable than a tent, >> there?s a full galley, potta-potti, and you?re way up high so the critters >> can?t get to you. Some campgrounds don?t allow tent camping, so you simply >> register your Rhodes 22 Pop-Up Camper! I find it comforting to wake up in >> the morning looking down on my fellow campers. You will never have to >> carry an extra bottle jack again! However, you might consider throwing a 2 >> ton come-along into your bag of trailering gear just in case you get stuck >> on a launch ramp again. The come-along + a stout anchor rode will rescue >> you from many sticky situations. >> >> One of Stan?s beliefs is that everything on the Rhodes 22 should do >> multiple duties. I think that philosophy should extend to the trailer as >> well! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium[cid:image002.jpg at 01D6579D.86263060] >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Chris Geankoplis >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:29 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 >> >> Thanks for sharing your adventure with us. I enjoyed the tale and lesson >> too! Bottle jack, don?t leave home without it. >> >> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 16:40, Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun Lake >>> in Iowa. It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally >>> sail. Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an >> adventure >>> than expected. The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on >> the >>> trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced. Fortunately, one of >> the >>> guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that. We tested >> out >>> the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a >>> broken bunk. I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on >> the >>> trailer. Much better to have that happen without a boat on it! We >>> replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that >> later) >>> and loaded up the boat. For the first time, I used the mast lowering >>> system on the water and that worked well. >>> >>> I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next >> day. >>> An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew. We >>> quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the >> trailer >>> was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. >>> Fortunately the rim was not damaged. The tires were 8 ply from 2017. >> They >>> made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but >> appeared >>> to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter. The shredded >>> tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a trailer >>> guide bar on that side. I'm lucky it was not more serious. Anyway, >> after >>> putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a few >>> miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires. They >>> got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm >> probably >>> lucky the blowout happened close to that shop. The trailer runs smoother >>> on the new tires. >>> >>> Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since >>> that is where they had availability. Instead of the small boats for >>> company, we were the tiny boat in these slips. Imagine my surprise to >> see >>> sailboats up to 40' in Iowa. Some of these bigger boats seem to be used >>> more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and sailing. >>> >>> There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we saw >> a >>> couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would >> use >>> that ramp. We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the >> steep >>> ramp with the trailer extension in use. After we were fully off the >>> trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp. Uh oh. It turns out >> we >>> backed off the end of the ramp. Fortunately, we had taken the new spare >>> bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the trailer >>> just before launching. We used that as a giant lever placed under the >>> frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck was >>> able to pull the trailer out. Whew! We later learned that we used the >>> high water ramp (the water was not high). Unfortunately there was not >>> signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention of >>> this by the staff. Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling >>> embarrassed. >>> >>> I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which had >>> been recently for sale) and a 2000. Unfortunately, I did not see the >>> owners there. It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in person. >>> >>> The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is >> the >>> furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day. We anchored out on Friday >> and >>> Saturday night. We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the boat >> on >>> the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I >>> recently bought. In time I'll be following up with some questions on >>> anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things. I've read >>> the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how >>> Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4) >> is >>> working out in practice. >>> >>> I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept on >>> top of cockpit cushions on a bench. I had made cockpit filler planks but >>> they were content to each sleep on a bench. It wasn't buggy and we >> didn't >>> even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. >>> >>> Returning was a lot easier. We used the normal ramp to retrieve and >> didn't >>> have any problem. I waded out to check the water depth first to be on >> the >>> safe side. Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been >>> through the processes together a few days earlier. Trailering was >>> uneventful on the way back. My trailer is at the trailer shop for a few >>> minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. >>> >>> I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used >> to >>> camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. >>> >>> My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the >>> tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the >>> winter. Does anyone else do this? >>> >>> I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before leaving. >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: RathbunMorning.JPG >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 86798 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200710/4db4c915/attachment.jpe >>>> >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 111528 bytes >> Desc: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200711/cdac89ea/attachment.jpg >>> >> From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun Jul 12 15:48:04 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 15:48:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: <11C0BD4F-5072-45D4-93A7-A51C31B1A64F@gmail.com> References: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> <1594563992766-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <11C0BD4F-5072-45D4-93A7-A51C31B1A64F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <76A19295-4E3B-4216-B4ED-2858AA8A20C4@sunnybeeches.com> I don?t think we?re in need of a server, though obviously Mike can speak to that topic with much more authority than I. What we do need is redesigned and updated website content. I?ve been giving this some thought recently, and have some ideas, and I?ve even started playing around with some HTML and CSS, mostly to see how much I remember (answer: not much). To perhaps start a discussion about a new website for the group, here?s some current content that I think should be removed: UPS SAIL, R.A.C., Rhodes 18, Rhodes 19, Classics I think content or links should be added for Bill?s Bahama Adverture, and Chris G?s many adventures. I?m sure there?s more I?m not sure what should be done about the current library of photos with tiny thumbnails. Peter Nyberg (former software developer, now retired) Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Luis Guzman wrote: > > Alex, > > I am an Applications and Intranet Developer (Software Engineer) for Southeastern Guide Dogs, and I have offered to help in previous threads. > > I have servers where I can run the site(s), but I doppelg?nger?s need access to the current server hosting the site. I?d like to develop something more apt to date, but be able to transfer all the info in the current site. > > > Luis A. Guzm?n II > http://www.TropicalMinds.com > 941 580-1577 > > S/V 1983 Aquetxali > >> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:26 AM, S/V Lark wrote: >> >> I am not a techie, but absolutely see the need to revamp the class?s online >> presence and want to help as I can. >> >> Lacking a commodore I?m not sure how we should get the project off the >> ground. If we want to use da list as a quorum that is cool, Otherwise >> somebody has to run with it and the rest have to keep quiet if we don?t >> approve. >> >> Alex >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> Alex Cole >> S/V Lark >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 07:47:11 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 06:47:11 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: <76A19295-4E3B-4216-B4ED-2858AA8A20C4@sunnybeeches.com> References: <85137D63-CF0C-41EA-99A4-06087460F057@sunnybeeches.com> <1594563992766-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <11C0BD4F-5072-45D4-93A7-A51C31B1A64F@gmail.com> <76A19295-4E3B-4216-B4ED-2858AA8A20C4@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: It seems that there is consensus that a refreshed website would be helpful and that the presence of the email list should be prominently highlighted on the website. It might be helpful to also mention that there is a Rhodes 22 Owners and Enthusiasts Facebook group ( https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965860183639772). All of this is in the spirit of bringing people together that have an interest in this boat. Between Michael, Peter, Luis, and Tom it seems that there is plenty of technical expertise to go around, so it seems like more of a matter of coordination among a smaller group. Some other thoughts: - As part of the design refresh, it seems like a decision will need to be made about whether the existing hosting for the site would continue or be changed. - I agree that it would be helpful to have a place on the site to list adventures on R22s. - Regarding some of the older content that may not make it into the main sections of the newly organized site, perhaps that could be retained in an archive section. - I think most of us would happily defer to decisions by whoever is volunteering to do the design work, and the designers could solicit suggestions and feedback as needed. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 2:49 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > I don?t think we?re in need of a server, though obviously Mike can speak > to that topic with much more authority than I. > > What we do need is redesigned and updated website content. I?ve been > giving this some thought recently, and have some ideas, and I?ve even > started playing around with some HTML and CSS, mostly to see how much I > remember (answer: not much). > > To perhaps start a discussion about a new website for the group, here?s > some current content that I think should be removed: > > UPS SAIL, R.A.C., Rhodes 18, Rhodes 19, Classics > > I think content or links should be added for Bill?s Bahama Adverture, and > Chris G?s many adventures. I?m sure there?s more > > I?m not sure what should be done about the current library of photos with > tiny thumbnails. > > Peter Nyberg > (former software developer, now retired) > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Luis Guzman > wrote: > > > > Alex, > > > > I am an Applications and Intranet Developer (Software Engineer) for > Southeastern Guide Dogs, and I have offered to help in previous threads. > > > > I have servers where I can run the site(s), but I doppelg?nger?s need > access to the current server hosting the site. I?d like to develop > something more apt to date, but be able to transfer all the info in the > current site. > > > > > > Luis A. Guzm?n II > > http://www.TropicalMinds.com > > 941 580-1577 > > > > S/V 1983 Aquetxali > > > >> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:26 AM, S/V Lark > wrote: > >> > >> I am not a techie, but absolutely see the need to revamp the class?s > online > >> presence and want to help as I can. > >> > >> Lacking a commodore I?m not sure how we should get the project off the > >> ground. If we want to use da list as a quorum that is cool, > Otherwise > >> somebody has to run with it and the rest have to keep quiet if we don?t > >> approve. > >> > >> Alex > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Alex Cole > >> S/V Lark > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Jul 13 08:48:32 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:48:32 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: , <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com>, , Message-ID: Roger, Thanks for the explanation of why people put nitrogen in tires. It always seemed to me to be a gimmick that tire shops use to get more money out of you. No one has been able to explain the science behind it to me. I'm still a skeptic, but at least now, I'm an educated skeptic. I'll check on the cost premium next time I need new tires. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; daysails at aol.com Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage Hi Jessie, While getting the weight off the trailer wheels in the winter and covering them with tire covers to limit UV exposure will both help extend trailer tire life, unfortunately the big tire killer is oxygen exposure. Oxygen is the 2nd most reactive element (behind fluorine) and the rubber polymer chains in the tires are vulnerable to its effects. One other thing you can do is fill your tires with nitrogen or argon vs. air. Yes, I know this sounds silly. But, oxygen degradation is a diffusion limited process. All else being equal, having an inert gas inflating the interior of the tire will slow down the diffusion rate by a factor of at least 4X due to switching oxygen diffusion from a 2-way process (outside in + inside out) to 1-way (outside in only). Actually, the inert gas may extend the tire?s life even more because the elevated oxygen partial pressure inside the tire increases the diffusion driving force favoring oxygen diffusion into the tire from the inside out by the ratio of the [absolute inflation air oxygen pressure psia]/[absolute ambient oxygen partial pressure]. For example, suppose you inflate your tires to 40 psi (40 + 14.7 = 54.7 psia). Air contains ~21%vol oxygen. So, the partial pressure of oxygen in the ambient air is 0.21 * 14.7 psia = 3.09 psia. The partial pressure of oxygen inside your tires is 0.21 * 54.7 psia = 11.5 psia. 11.5 psia / 3.09 psia = 3.7 X times more diffusion driving force for oxygen from the inside out when the tire is inflated with air. I would recommend nitrogen vs. argon because it?s cheaper and the thermal conductivity is about the same as air. The thermal conductivity of argon is ~40% less than air, which will cause the tire to run somewhat hotter on the road, which is not good for tire life. But, this is not a big factor. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:53 AM To: daysails at aol.com; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage Hi Jessie, Yes, having the rear jacks will absolutely stop accumulated water in the stern from causing the bow to rise up. It also allows you to have as many people in the cockpit as you wish when you are camping. Unfortunately, a lot of my Rhodes 22 cruising gear is locked up and inaccessible at Johnson Mini Storage. MDOT is working on putting in a temporary M-30 bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville. However, they must first clear the debris from the river channel. This includes the pieces of the Wixom Dam powerhouse, turbines, and generators. MDOT crews have built a wier just downstream of the wrecked M-30 bridge. This wier restricts the flow of the river upstream of the bridge and makes it deep enough for a work barge. The work barge is gathering debris from the river channel and stacking it on the south river bank. On shore, another tracked vehicle with a hydraulic claw is scooping up the debris and loading it into dump trucks. I?m sure they will remove the wier when the job is finished. However, right now there is a class 3 waterfall/rapids where the river spills over the wier. The work barge is operating < 100 yds upstream of the wier. So, it?s very dangerous work. MDOT?s crystal ball is calling for the temporary M-30 bridge to be in place by early October. I will have no access to Johnson Mini Storage before then. We have no cruise planned on S/V Dynamic Equilibium this year because so much of my gear is locked away. However, in August, I have two water related adventures planned. I am going to lead my Boy Scout Troop on a High Adventure shipwreck SCUBA diving trip in the Straits of Mackinac. Then, later in the month, my two sons, my brother-in-law, and I are going to attempt a west to east voyage on Lake Superior thru the Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore from Munising, MI to Grand Marais, MI by sea kayak. This will be a 4 day, 3 night trip along one the most exposed stretches of Lake Superior coastline! Other than that, my summer is dull! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?There is another benefit of having these rear jacks. A number of years ago I pulled my Rhodes 22 and left it on the trailer at the marina while I was working overseas. The drain holes in the cockpit became blocked up with leaves and a spring rain storm filled the cockpit with rain water. The weight of the water tipped the bow up and the water submerged the motor lift. The marina eventually got around to clearing the water out but the motor had to be replaced. The jacks would have prevented all this. Of course so would cleaning out the cockpit drains. Joe Riley "Sailing on a Second Wind" Lake Hartwell, SC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Shumaker > To: I wishThe Rhodes 22 EmAail List > Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2020 9:14 am > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage > > Roger, thanks for the tips and the photo of your trailer setup. It's funny > that you should mention the rear jacks since I just did something similar > on Friday and the inspiration was from a photo of your trailer that I had > stumbled on awhile ago on rhodes22.org ( > http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/jack1.jpg). I had two tongue jacks, one > that was on the trailer when I got it (but the wheel didn't turn very well) > and another one on the other side that I added last year when I got the > trailer - however that one didn't want to turn very well either. I had > left on the old one as a backup. Since I was taking care of a few things > on my trailer already, I put on a new double wheel tongue jack that is more > stout. I moved the two jacks that had been on the tongue so that there is > one on each side of the rear of the trailer, so it serves a similar purpose > to the jacks you mentioned in terms of stabilization. Since all these > jacks are on wheels, chocks are still needed to prevent the trailer from > moving around. I like your setup where you put the wheels up on a board, > putting chocks on top of the board, and take off most of the weight by > using the jacks. Where I park for the winter, there can be some occasional > standing water or snow so it would be good to have the tires up off the > ground a bit. I might use a couple of jack stands on either side as well > to spread the load out when I store it for the winter. Tire covers claim > to provide some UV protection and are a minimal expense so I'm going to put > those on. Hopefully all this leads to tires that stay in good shape for > longer. > > As you mentioned, having the jacks on the front and rear should make for a > stable platform when working on the boat on the hard, or for accommodations > in campground en route. With the pop top enclosure, and the mosquito > netting over the bimini to enclose the cockpit, it really meet the the pop > up camper criteria! > > I will take a look at getting a come-along as well. It sounds like that > would be a good addition to my growing list of trailering gear. > > Given the difficult circumstances at your place with the failed dams, do > you intend to trailer your boat anywhere else this season? > >> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:08 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Hi Jesse, >> >> Nice photo! It reminds me of my favorite anchorage called the Church Camp >> Cove on Sanford Lake prior to the flood this spring. I won?t be anchoring >> there anytime soon. >> >> You can certainly use jack stands as per the recommendation of your >> automotive gearhead friends. However, you might consider what I did. The >> attached photo shows a screw-type jack welded onto the trailer frame. >> There is one of these jacks port and starboard. They each have a >> quick-release pin. They swing up for trailering and come off for >> launch/retrieval, so you never immerse them. Using these two jacks and the >> tongue jack, one can get the weight off the tires for the winter. However, >> you can also use these jacks to change a tire by the side of the road. You >> can also use them to level the boat on it?s trailer, so you can use the >> Rhodes? cabin as a sort of travel trailer for overnight stays in >> campgrounds. The Rhodes 22?s cabin is way more comfortable than a tent, >> there?s a full galley, potta-potti, and you?re way up high so the critters >> can?t get to you. Some campgrounds don?t allow tent camping, so you simply >> register your Rhodes 22 Pop-Up Camper! I find it comforting to wake up in >> the morning looking down on my fellow campers. You will never have to >> carry an extra bottle jack again! However, you might consider throwing a 2 >> ton come-along into your bag of trailering gear just in case you get stuck >> on a launch ramp again. The come-along + a stout anchor rode will rescue >> you from many sticky situations. >> >> One of Stan?s beliefs is that everything on the Rhodes 22 should do >> multiple duties. I think that philosophy should extend to the trailer as >> well! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium[cid:image002.jpg at 01D6579D.86263060] >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Chris Geankoplis >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:29 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 >> >> Thanks for sharing your adventure with us. I enjoyed the tale and lesson >> too! Bottle jack, don?t leave home without it. >> >> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 16:40, Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun Lake >>> in Iowa. It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally >>> sail. Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an >> adventure >>> than expected. The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on >> the >>> trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced. Fortunately, one of >> the >>> guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that. We tested >> out >>> the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a >>> broken bunk. I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on >> the >>> trailer. Much better to have that happen without a boat on it! We >>> replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that >> later) >>> and loaded up the boat. For the first time, I used the mast lowering >>> system on the water and that worked well. >>> >>> I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next >> day. >>> An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew. We >>> quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the >> trailer >>> was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. >>> Fortunately the rim was not damaged. The tires were 8 ply from 2017. >> They >>> made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but >> appeared >>> to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter. The shredded >>> tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a trailer >>> guide bar on that side. I'm lucky it was not more serious. Anyway, >> after >>> putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a few >>> miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires. They >>> got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm >> probably >>> lucky the blowout happened close to that shop. The trailer runs smoother >>> on the new tires. >>> >>> Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since >>> that is where they had availability. Instead of the small boats for >>> company, we were the tiny boat in these slips. Imagine my surprise to >> see >>> sailboats up to 40' in Iowa. Some of these bigger boats seem to be used >>> more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and sailing. >>> >>> There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we saw >> a >>> couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would >> use >>> that ramp. We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the >> steep >>> ramp with the trailer extension in use. After we were fully off the >>> trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp. Uh oh. It turns out >> we >>> backed off the end of the ramp. Fortunately, we had taken the new spare >>> bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the trailer >>> just before launching. We used that as a giant lever placed under the >>> frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck was >>> able to pull the trailer out. Whew! We later learned that we used the >>> high water ramp (the water was not high). Unfortunately there was not >>> signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention of >>> this by the staff. Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling >>> embarrassed. >>> >>> I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which had >>> been recently for sale) and a 2000. Unfortunately, I did not see the >>> owners there. It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in person. >>> >>> The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is >> the >>> furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day. We anchored out on Friday >> and >>> Saturday night. We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the boat >> on >>> the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I >>> recently bought. In time I'll be following up with some questions on >>> anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things. I've read >>> the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how >>> Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4) >> is >>> working out in practice. >>> >>> I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept on >>> top of cockpit cushions on a bench. I had made cockpit filler planks but >>> they were content to each sleep on a bench. It wasn't buggy and we >> didn't >>> even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. >>> >>> Returning was a lot easier. We used the normal ramp to retrieve and >> didn't >>> have any problem. I waded out to check the water depth first to be on >> the >>> safe side. Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been >>> through the processes together a few days earlier. Trailering was >>> uneventful on the way back. My trailer is at the trailer shop for a few >>> minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. >>> >>> I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used >> to >>> camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. >>> >>> My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the >>> tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the >>> winter. Does anyone else do this? >>> >>> I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before leaving. >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: RathbunMorning.JPG >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 86798 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200710/4db4c915/attachment.jpe >>>> >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 111528 bytes >> Desc: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200711/cdac89ea/attachment.jpg >>> >> From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Jul 13 08:51:11 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 08:51:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It would be great to have a site where we could post our boats, stories and photos of us and our Dadventures. In addition to the robust quorum we have presently. Ric sv Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 13, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > ?It seems that there is consensus that a refreshed website would be helpful > and that the presence of the email list should be prominently highlighted > on the website. It might be helpful to also mention that there is a Rhodes > 22 Owners and Enthusiasts Facebook group ( > https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965860183639772). All of this is in the > spirit of bringing people together that have an interest in this boat. > > Between Michael, Peter, Luis, and Tom it seems that there is plenty of > technical expertise to go around, so it seems like more of a matter of > coordination among a smaller group. > > Some other thoughts: > > - As part of the design refresh, it seems like a decision will need to > be made about whether the existing hosting for the site would continue or > be changed. > - I agree that it would be helpful to have a place on the site to list > adventures on R22s. > - Regarding some of the older content that may not make it into the main > sections of the newly organized site, perhaps that could be retained in an > archive section. > - I think most of us would happily defer to decisions by whoever is > volunteering to do the design work, and the designers could solicit > suggestions and feedback as needed. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 2:49 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> I don?t think we?re in need of a server, though obviously Mike can speak >> to that topic with much more authority than I. >> >> What we do need is redesigned and updated website content. I?ve been >> giving this some thought recently, and have some ideas, and I?ve even >> started playing around with some HTML and CSS, mostly to see how much I >> remember (answer: not much). >> >> To perhaps start a discussion about a new website for the group, here?s >> some current content that I think should be removed: >> >> UPS SAIL, R.A.C., Rhodes 18, Rhodes 19, Classics >> >> I think content or links should be added for Bill?s Bahama Adverture, and >> Chris G?s many adventures. I?m sure there?s more >> >> I?m not sure what should be done about the current library of photos with >> tiny thumbnails. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> (former software developer, now retired) >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Luis Guzman >> wrote: >>> >>> Alex, >>> >>> I am an Applications and Intranet Developer (Software Engineer) for >> Southeastern Guide Dogs, and I have offered to help in previous threads. >>> >>> I have servers where I can run the site(s), but I doppelg?nger?s need >> access to the current server hosting the site. I?d like to develop >> something more apt to date, but be able to transfer all the info in the >> current site. >>> >>> >>> Luis A. Guzm?n II >>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com >>> 941 580-1577 >>> >>> S/V 1983 Aquetxali >>> >>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:26 AM, S/V Lark >> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am not a techie, but absolutely see the need to revamp the class?s >> online >>>> presence and want to help as I can. >>>> >>>> Lacking a commodore I?m not sure how we should get the project off the >>>> ground. If we want to use da list as a quorum that is cool, >> Otherwise >>>> somebody has to run with it and the rest have to keep quiet if we don?t >>>> approve. >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Alex Cole >>>> S/V Lark >>>> -- >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> >> >> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Jul 13 09:07:09 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 13:07:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: , <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com>, , , Message-ID: Hi Jessie, I?ve searched the open literature and have not found an article that quantifies how much inert gas inflation extends tire life. The theory seems sound; but, it would be nice to see a study with real data. By the way, I have my tires inflated with air and they always fail by blow-out, cracking, or belt separation long before tread wear becomes an issue. I seem to get 9-10 years out of a set of tires. I inspect them before each trip and replace all 4 when I see the signs of cracking &/or tread separation on any of them, since they are all the same age. Like you, I?m still skeptical of the benefits of inert gas inflation. But, it seemed like you were interested in ways to extend trailer tire life. By the way, you mentioned the new tires ran quieter vs. the old tires. One of the symptoms of the sort of degradation we are talking about is increased tire noise while going down the road. But, this effect is subtle and, since the process takes years to develop, can be hard to detect. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 8:48 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; daysails at aol.com Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage Roger, Thanks for the explanation of why people put nitrogen in tires. It always seemed to me to be a gimmick that tire shops use to get more money out of you. No one has been able to explain the science behind it to me. I'm still a skeptic, but at least now, I'm an educated skeptic. I'll check on the cost premium next time I need new tires. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; daysails at aol.com Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage Hi Jessie, While getting the weight off the trailer wheels in the winter and covering them with tire covers to limit UV exposure will both help extend trailer tire life, unfortunately the big tire killer is oxygen exposure. Oxygen is the 2nd most reactive element (behind fluorine) and the rubber polymer chains in the tires are vulnerable to its effects. One other thing you can do is fill your tires with nitrogen or argon vs. air. Yes, I know this sounds silly. But, oxygen degradation is a diffusion limited process. All else being equal, having an inert gas inflating the interior of the tire will slow down the diffusion rate by a factor of at least 4X due to switching oxygen diffusion from a 2-way process (outside in + inside out) to 1-way (outside in only). Actually, the inert gas may extend the tire?s life even more because the elevated oxygen partial pressure inside the tire increases the diffusion driving force favoring oxygen diffusion into the tire from the inside out by the ratio of the [absolute inflation air oxygen pressure psia]/[absolute ambient oxygen partial pressure]. For example, suppose you inflate your tires to 40 psi (40 + 14.7 = 54.7 psia). Air contains ~21%vol oxygen. So, the partial pressure of oxygen in the ambient air is 0.21 * 14.7 psia = 3.09 psia. The partial pressure of oxygen inside your tires is 0.21 * 54.7 psia = 11.5 psia. 11.5 psia / 3.09 psia = 3.7 X times more diffusion driving force for oxygen from the inside out when the tire is inflated with air. I would recommend nitrogen vs. argon because it?s cheaper and the thermal conductivity is about the same as air. The thermal conductivity of argon is ~40% less than air, which will cause the tire to run somewhat hotter on the road, which is not good for tire life. But, this is not a big factor. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:53 AM To: daysails at aol.com; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage Hi Jessie, Yes, having the rear jacks will absolutely stop accumulated water in the stern from causing the bow to rise up. It also allows you to have as many people in the cockpit as you wish when you are camping. Unfortunately, a lot of my Rhodes 22 cruising gear is locked up and inaccessible at Johnson Mini Storage. MDOT is working on putting in a temporary M-30 bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville. However, they must first clear the debris from the river channel. This includes the pieces of the Wixom Dam powerhouse, turbines, and generators. MDOT crews have built a wier just downstream of the wrecked M-30 bridge. This wier restricts the flow of the river upstream of the bridge and makes it deep enough for a work barge. The work barge is gathering debris from the river channel and stacking it on the south river bank. On shore, another tracked vehicle with a hydraulic claw is scooping up the debris and loading it into dump trucks. I?m sure they will remove the wier when the job is finished. However, right now there is a class 3 waterfall/rapids where the river spills over the wier. The work barge is operating < 100 yds upstream of the wier. So, it?s very dangerous work. MDOT?s crystal ball is calling for the temporary M-30 bridge to be in place by early October. I will have no access to Johnson Mini Storage before then. We have no cruise planned on S/V Dynamic Equilibium this year because so much of my gear is locked away. However, in August, I have two water related adventures planned. I am going to lead my Boy Scout Troop on a High Adventure shipwreck SCUBA diving trip in the Straits of Mackinac. Then, later in the month, my two sons, my brother-in-law, and I are going to attempt a west to east voyage on Lake Superior thru the Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore from Munising, MI to Grand Marais, MI by sea kayak. This will be a 4 day, 3 night trip along one the most exposed stretches of Lake Superior coastline! Other than that, my summer is dull! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?There is another benefit of having these rear jacks. A number of years ago I pulled my Rhodes 22 and left it on the trailer at the marina while I was working overseas. The drain holes in the cockpit became blocked up with leaves and a spring rain storm filled the cockpit with rain water. The weight of the water tipped the bow up and the water submerged the motor lift. The marina eventually got around to clearing the water out but the motor had to be replaced. The jacks would have prevented all this. Of course so would cleaning out the cockpit drains. Joe Riley "Sailing on a Second Wind" Lake Hartwell, SC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jesse Shumaker > To: I wishThe Rhodes 22 EmAail List > Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2020 9:14 am > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage > > Roger, thanks for the tips and the photo of your trailer setup. It's funny > that you should mention the rear jacks since I just did something similar > on Friday and the inspiration was from a photo of your trailer that I had > stumbled on awhile ago on rhodes22.org ( > http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/jack1.jpg). I had two tongue jacks, one > that was on the trailer when I got it (but the wheel didn't turn very well) > and another one on the other side that I added last year when I got the > trailer - however that one didn't want to turn very well either. I had > left on the old one as a backup. Since I was taking care of a few things > on my trailer already, I put on a new double wheel tongue jack that is more > stout. I moved the two jacks that had been on the tongue so that there is > one on each side of the rear of the trailer, so it serves a similar purpose > to the jacks you mentioned in terms of stabilization. Since all these > jacks are on wheels, chocks are still needed to prevent the trailer from > moving around. I like your setup where you put the wheels up on a board, > putting chocks on top of the board, and take off most of the weight by > using the jacks. Where I park for the winter, there can be some occasional > standing water or snow so it would be good to have the tires up off the > ground a bit. I might use a couple of jack stands on either side as well > to spread the load out when I store it for the winter. Tire covers claim > to provide some UV protection and are a minimal expense so I'm going to put > those on. Hopefully all this leads to tires that stay in good shape for > longer. > > As you mentioned, having the jacks on the front and rear should make for a > stable platform when working on the boat on the hard, or for accommodations > in campground en route. With the pop top enclosure, and the mosquito > netting over the bimini to enclose the cockpit, it really meet the the pop > up camper criteria! > > I will take a look at getting a come-along as well. It sounds like that > would be a good addition to my growing list of trailering gear. > > Given the difficult circumstances at your place with the failed dams, do > you intend to trailer your boat anywhere else this season? > >> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:08 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Hi Jesse, >> >> Nice photo! It reminds me of my favorite anchorage called the Church Camp >> Cove on Sanford Lake prior to the flood this spring. I won?t be anchoring >> there anytime soon. >> >> You can certainly use jack stands as per the recommendation of your >> automotive gearhead friends. However, you might consider what I did. The >> attached photo shows a screw-type jack welded onto the trailer frame. >> There is one of these jacks port and starboard. They each have a >> quick-release pin. They swing up for trailering and come off for >> launch/retrieval, so you never immerse them. Using these two jacks and the >> tongue jack, one can get the weight off the tires for the winter. However, >> you can also use these jacks to change a tire by the side of the road. You >> can also use them to level the boat on it?s trailer, so you can use the >> Rhodes? cabin as a sort of travel trailer for overnight stays in >> campgrounds. The Rhodes 22?s cabin is way more comfortable than a tent, >> there?s a full galley, potta-potti, and you?re way up high so the critters >> can?t get to you. Some campgrounds don?t allow tent camping, so you simply >> register your Rhodes 22 Pop-Up Camper! I find it comforting to wake up in >> the morning looking down on my fellow campers. You will never have to >> carry an extra bottle jack again! However, you might consider throwing a 2 >> ton come-along into your bag of trailering gear just in case you get stuck >> on a launch ramp again. The come-along + a stout anchor rode will rescue >> you from many sticky situations. >> >> One of Stan?s beliefs is that everything on the Rhodes 22 should do >> multiple duties. I think that philosophy should extend to the trailer as >> well! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium[cid:image002.jpg at 01D6579D.86263060] >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: Chris Geankoplis >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:29 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 >> >> Thanks for sharing your adventure with us. I enjoyed the tale and lesson >> too! Bottle jack, don?t leave home without it. >> >> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 16:40, Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun Lake >>> in Iowa. It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally >>> sail. Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an >> adventure >>> than expected. The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on >> the >>> trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced. Fortunately, one of >> the >>> guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that. We tested >> out >>> the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a >>> broken bunk. I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on >> the >>> trailer. Much better to have that happen without a boat on it! We >>> replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that >> later) >>> and loaded up the boat. For the first time, I used the mast lowering >>> system on the water and that worked well. >>> >>> I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next >> day. >>> An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew. We >>> quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the >> trailer >>> was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. >>> Fortunately the rim was not damaged. The tires were 8 ply from 2017. >> They >>> made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but >> appeared >>> to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter. The shredded >>> tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a trailer >>> guide bar on that side. I'm lucky it was not more serious. Anyway, >> after >>> putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a few >>> miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires. They >>> got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm >> probably >>> lucky the blowout happened close to that shop. The trailer runs smoother >>> on the new tires. >>> >>> Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since >>> that is where they had availability. Instead of the small boats for >>> company, we were the tiny boat in these slips. Imagine my surprise to >> see >>> sailboats up to 40' in Iowa. Some of these bigger boats seem to be used >>> more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and sailing. >>> >>> There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we saw >> a >>> couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would >> use >>> that ramp. We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the >> steep >>> ramp with the trailer extension in use. After we were fully off the >>> trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp. Uh oh. It turns out >> we >>> backed off the end of the ramp. Fortunately, we had taken the new spare >>> bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the trailer >>> just before launching. We used that as a giant lever placed under the >>> frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck was >>> able to pull the trailer out. Whew! We later learned that we used the >>> high water ramp (the water was not high). Unfortunately there was not >>> signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention of >>> this by the staff. Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling >>> embarrassed. >>> >>> I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which had >>> been recently for sale) and a 2000. Unfortunately, I did not see the >>> owners there. It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in person. >>> >>> The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is >> the >>> furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day. We anchored out on Friday >> and >>> Saturday night. We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the boat >> on >>> the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I >>> recently bought. In time I'll be following up with some questions on >>> anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things. I've read >>> the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how >>> Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4) >> is >>> working out in practice. >>> >>> I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept on >>> top of cockpit cushions on a bench. I had made cockpit filler planks but >>> they were content to each sleep on a bench. It wasn't buggy and we >> didn't >>> even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. >>> >>> Returning was a lot easier. We used the normal ramp to retrieve and >> didn't >>> have any problem. I waded out to check the water depth first to be on >> the >>> safe side. Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been >>> through the processes together a few days earlier. Trailering was >>> uneventful on the way back. My trailer is at the trailer shop for a few >>> minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. >>> >>> I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used >> to >>> camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. >>> >>> My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the >>> tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the >>> winter. Does anyone else do this? >>> >>> I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before leaving. >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: RathbunMorning.JPG >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 86798 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200710/4db4c915/attachment.jpe >>>> >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 111528 bytes >> Desc: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200711/cdac89ea/attachment.jpg >>> >> From hnw555 at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 09:19:34 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 09:19:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I used to own an Islander 36 and this is the website we had for the Islander 36 Association. Granted it is a bit more formal as they were a functioning organization, but it gives you some ideas of what could be included in the website. http://www.islander36.org/ Hank On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:51 AM Ric Stott wrote: > It would be great to have a site where we could post our boats, stories > and photos of us and our Dadventures. In addition to the robust quorum we > have presently. > Ric sv Dadventure > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 13, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?It seems that there is consensus that a refreshed website would be > helpful > > and that the presence of the email list should be prominently highlighted > > on the website. It might be helpful to also mention that there is a > Rhodes > > 22 Owners and Enthusiasts Facebook group ( > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965860183639772). All of this is in the > > spirit of bringing people together that have an interest in this boat. > > > > Between Michael, Peter, Luis, and Tom it seems that there is plenty of > > technical expertise to go around, so it seems like more of a matter of > > coordination among a smaller group. > > > > Some other thoughts: > > > > - As part of the design refresh, it seems like a decision will need to > > be made about whether the existing hosting for the site would continue > or > > be changed. > > - I agree that it would be helpful to have a place on the site to list > > adventures on R22s. > > - Regarding some of the older content that may not make it into the > main > > sections of the newly organized site, perhaps that could be retained > in an > > archive section. > > - I think most of us would happily defer to decisions by whoever is > > volunteering to do the design work, and the designers could solicit > > suggestions and feedback as needed. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 2:49 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > >> > >> I don?t think we?re in need of a server, though obviously Mike can speak > >> to that topic with much more authority than I. > >> > >> What we do need is redesigned and updated website content. I?ve been > >> giving this some thought recently, and have some ideas, and I?ve even > >> started playing around with some HTML and CSS, mostly to see how much I > >> remember (answer: not much). > >> > >> To perhaps start a discussion about a new website for the group, here?s > >> some current content that I think should be removed: > >> > >> UPS SAIL, R.A.C., Rhodes 18, Rhodes 19, Classics > >> > >> I think content or links should be added for Bill?s Bahama Adverture, > and > >> Chris G?s many adventures. I?m sure there?s more > >> > >> I?m not sure what should be done about the current library of photos > with > >> tiny thumbnails. > >> > >> Peter Nyberg > >> (former software developer, now retired) > >> Coventry, CT > >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> > >>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Luis Guzman > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Alex, > >>> > >>> I am an Applications and Intranet Developer (Software Engineer) for > >> Southeastern Guide Dogs, and I have offered to help in previous threads. > >>> > >>> I have servers where I can run the site(s), but I doppelg?nger?s need > >> access to the current server hosting the site. I?d like to develop > >> something more apt to date, but be able to transfer all the info in the > >> current site. > >>> > >>> > >>> Luis A. Guzm?n II > >>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com > >>> 941 580-1577 > >>> > >>> S/V 1983 Aquetxali > >>> > >>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:26 AM, S/V Lark > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I am not a techie, but absolutely see the need to revamp the class?s > >> online > >>>> presence and want to help as I can. > >>>> > >>>> Lacking a commodore I?m not sure how we should get the project off the > >>>> ground. If we want to use da list as a quorum that is cool, > >> Otherwise > >>>> somebody has to run with it and the rest have to keep quiet if we > don?t > >>>> approve. > >>>> > >>>> Alex > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ----- > >>>> Alex Cole > >>>> S/V Lark > >>>> -- > >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >>> > >> > >> > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 09:56:15 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 09:56:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From being subscribed to many sailing Facebook pages and groups, I've run across half a dozen or so Picnic 17 owners. Maybe there could be a tiny corner where they could exchange info too? It might be a way to get them to upgrade to a Rhodes 22? Todd T. tavares0947 at gmail.com On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 9:19 AM Hank wrote: > I used to own an Islander 36 and this is the website we had for the > Islander 36 Association. Granted it is a bit more formal as they were a > functioning organization, but it gives you some ideas of what could be > included in the website. > > http://www.islander36.org/ > > Hank > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:51 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > It would be great to have a site where we could post our boats, stories > > and photos of us and our Dadventures. In addition to the robust quorum > we > > have presently. > > Ric sv Dadventure > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Jul 13, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > ?It seems that there is consensus that a refreshed website would be > > helpful > > > and that the presence of the email list should be prominently > highlighted > > > on the website. It might be helpful to also mention that there is a > > Rhodes > > > 22 Owners and Enthusiasts Facebook group ( > > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965860183639772). All of this is in > the > > > spirit of bringing people together that have an interest in this boat. > > > > > > Between Michael, Peter, Luis, and Tom it seems that there is plenty of > > > technical expertise to go around, so it seems like more of a matter of > > > coordination among a smaller group. > > > > > > Some other thoughts: > > > > > > - As part of the design refresh, it seems like a decision will need > to > > > be made about whether the existing hosting for the site would > continue > > or > > > be changed. > > > - I agree that it would be helpful to have a place on the site to > list > > > adventures on R22s. > > > - Regarding some of the older content that may not make it into the > > main > > > sections of the newly organized site, perhaps that could be retained > > in an > > > archive section. > > > - I think most of us would happily defer to decisions by whoever is > > > volunteering to do the design work, and the designers could solicit > > > suggestions and feedback as needed. > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 2:49 PM Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > >> > > >> I don?t think we?re in need of a server, though obviously Mike can > speak > > >> to that topic with much more authority than I. > > >> > > >> What we do need is redesigned and updated website content. I?ve been > > >> giving this some thought recently, and have some ideas, and I?ve even > > >> started playing around with some HTML and CSS, mostly to see how much > I > > >> remember (answer: not much). > > >> > > >> To perhaps start a discussion about a new website for the group, > here?s > > >> some current content that I think should be removed: > > >> > > >> UPS SAIL, R.A.C., Rhodes 18, Rhodes 19, Classics > > >> > > >> I think content or links should be added for Bill?s Bahama Adverture, > > and > > >> Chris G?s many adventures. I?m sure there?s more > > >> > > >> I?m not sure what should be done about the current library of photos > > with > > >> tiny thumbnails. > > >> > > >> Peter Nyberg > > >> (former software developer, now retired) > > >> Coventry, CT > > >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >> > > >>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Luis Guzman > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Alex, > > >>> > > >>> I am an Applications and Intranet Developer (Software Engineer) for > > >> Southeastern Guide Dogs, and I have offered to help in previous > threads. > > >>> > > >>> I have servers where I can run the site(s), but I doppelg?nger?s need > > >> access to the current server hosting the site. I?d like to develop > > >> something more apt to date, but be able to transfer all the info in > the > > >> current site. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Luis A. Guzm?n II > > >>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com > > >>> 941 580-1577 > > >>> > > >>> S/V 1983 Aquetxali > > >>> > > >>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:26 AM, S/V Lark > > >> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> I am not a techie, but absolutely see the need to revamp the class?s > > >> online > > >>>> presence and want to help as I can. > > >>>> > > >>>> Lacking a commodore I?m not sure how we should get the project off > the > > >>>> ground. If we want to use da list as a quorum that is cool, > > >> Otherwise > > >>>> somebody has to run with it and the rest have to keep quiet if we > > don?t > > >>>> approve. > > >>>> > > >>>> Alex > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> ----- > > >>>> Alex Cole > > >>>> S/V Lark > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > > From tvpolise at aol.com Mon Jul 13 10:43:57 2020 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:43:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <65D43E3A-FCB4-45E0-8434-030CFA795CC0@aol.com> Another part of site could be used parts from Owners looking to sell things such as cushions, old out haul cars, used sails, Bimini ets etc > On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Ric Stott wrote: > > ?It would be great to have a site where we could post our boats, stories and photos of us and our Dadventures. In addition to the robust quorum we have presently. > Ric sv Dadventure > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 13, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: >> >> ?It seems that there is consensus that a refreshed website would be helpful >> and that the presence of the email list should be prominently highlighted >> on the website. It might be helpful to also mention that there is a Rhodes >> 22 Owners and Enthusiasts Facebook group ( >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965860183639772). All of this is in the >> spirit of bringing people together that have an interest in this boat. >> >> Between Michael, Peter, Luis, and Tom it seems that there is plenty of >> technical expertise to go around, so it seems like more of a matter of >> coordination among a smaller group. >> >> Some other thoughts: >> >> - As part of the design refresh, it seems like a decision will need to >> be made about whether the existing hosting for the site would continue or >> be changed. >> - I agree that it would be helpful to have a place on the site to list >> adventures on R22s. >> - Regarding some of the older content that may not make it into the main >> sections of the newly organized site, perhaps that could be retained in an >> archive section. >> - I think most of us would happily defer to decisions by whoever is >> volunteering to do the design work, and the designers could solicit >> suggestions and feedback as needed. >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 2:49 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: >>> >>> I don?t think we?re in need of a server, though obviously Mike can speak >>> to that topic with much more authority than I. >>> >>> What we do need is redesigned and updated website content. I?ve been >>> giving this some thought recently, and have some ideas, and I?ve even >>> started playing around with some HTML and CSS, mostly to see how much I >>> remember (answer: not much). >>> >>> To perhaps start a discussion about a new website for the group, here?s >>> some current content that I think should be removed: >>> >>> UPS SAIL, R.A.C., Rhodes 18, Rhodes 19, Classics >>> >>> I think content or links should be added for Bill?s Bahama Adverture, and >>> Chris G?s many adventures. I?m sure there?s more >>> >>> I?m not sure what should be done about the current library of photos with >>> tiny thumbnails. >>> >>> Peter Nyberg >>> (former software developer, now retired) >>> Coventry, CT >>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>> >>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Luis Guzman >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Alex, >>>> >>>> I am an Applications and Intranet Developer (Software Engineer) for >>> Southeastern Guide Dogs, and I have offered to help in previous threads. >>>> >>>> I have servers where I can run the site(s), but I doppelg?nger?s need >>> access to the current server hosting the site. I?d like to develop >>> something more apt to date, but be able to transfer all the info in the >>> current site. >>>> >>>> >>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II >>>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com >>>> 941 580-1577 >>>> >>>> S/V 1983 Aquetxali >>>> >>>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:26 AM, S/V Lark >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I am not a techie, but absolutely see the need to revamp the class?s >>> online >>>>> presence and want to help as I can. >>>>> >>>>> Lacking a commodore I?m not sure how we should get the project off the >>>>> ground. If we want to use da list as a quorum that is cool, >>> Otherwise >>>>> somebody has to run with it and the rest have to keep quiet if we don?t >>>>> approve. >>>>> >>>>> Alex >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Alex Cole >>>>> S/V Lark >>>>> -- >>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>>> >>> >>> From Marc at babineauins.com Mon Jul 13 13:03:17 2020 From: Marc at babineauins.com (Mrbabs) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 10:03:17 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1594659797260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Roger - thanks for that explanation. I understood about 50% of it but what I understood makes sense! ----- Marc B. s/v Baby Steps Westminster MA Sailing Narragansett Bay -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Jul 13 13:08:48 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:08:48 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: <65D43E3A-FCB4-45E0-8434-030CFA795CC0@aol.com> References: <65D43E3A-FCB4-45E0-8434-030CFA795CC0@aol.com> Message-ID: Great enthusiasm, and I am glad there are webdevs around (I am infrastrucure, buisness, datacenter centric). I think we need to stress the importance to retain all of the archives on the site, its value is intrinsic to the org. We also want secure (SSL) hosting. Adding the cert is pretty simple to start with (but we would want to continue to host where we are if we buy spend time getting a cert, they can be had for free) but as Luis mentions we need to have creds to the current platforms to extract/migrate the data. This is true even if we stay with current hosting, etc. sounds like Mike W. So I am happy to take notes, track deliverables, type like the wind, setup VMs - LMK. Tom On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 9:45 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Another part of site could be used parts from Owners looking to sell > things such as cushions, old out haul cars, used sails, Bimini ets etc > > > On Jul 13, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Ric Stott > wrote: > > > > ?It would be great to have a site where we could post our boats, stories > and photos of us and our Dadventures. In addition to the robust quorum we > have presently. > > Ric sv Dadventure > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Jul 13, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> ?It seems that there is consensus that a refreshed website would be > helpful > >> and that the presence of the email list should be prominently > highlighted > >> on the website. It might be helpful to also mention that there is a > Rhodes > >> 22 Owners and Enthusiasts Facebook group ( > >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965860183639772). All of this is in > the > >> spirit of bringing people together that have an interest in this boat. > >> > >> Between Michael, Peter, Luis, and Tom it seems that there is plenty of > >> technical expertise to go around, so it seems like more of a matter of > >> coordination among a smaller group. > >> > >> Some other thoughts: > >> > >> - As part of the design refresh, it seems like a decision will need to > >> be made about whether the existing hosting for the site would continue > or > >> be changed. > >> - I agree that it would be helpful to have a place on the site to list > >> adventures on R22s. > >> - Regarding some of the older content that may not make it into the > main > >> sections of the newly organized site, perhaps that could be retained > in an > >> archive section. > >> - I think most of us would happily defer to decisions by whoever is > >> volunteering to do the design work, and the designers could solicit > >> suggestions and feedback as needed. > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >>>> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 2:49 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > >>> > >>> I don?t think we?re in need of a server, though obviously Mike can > speak > >>> to that topic with much more authority than I. > >>> > >>> What we do need is redesigned and updated website content. I?ve been > >>> giving this some thought recently, and have some ideas, and I?ve even > >>> started playing around with some HTML and CSS, mostly to see how much I > >>> remember (answer: not much). > >>> > >>> To perhaps start a discussion about a new website for the group, here?s > >>> some current content that I think should be removed: > >>> > >>> UPS SAIL, R.A.C., Rhodes 18, Rhodes 19, Classics > >>> > >>> I think content or links should be added for Bill?s Bahama Adverture, > and > >>> Chris G?s many adventures. I?m sure there?s more > >>> > >>> I?m not sure what should be done about the current library of photos > with > >>> tiny thumbnails. > >>> > >>> Peter Nyberg > >>> (former software developer, now retired) > >>> Coventry, CT > >>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>> > >>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Luis Guzman > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Alex, > >>>> > >>>> I am an Applications and Intranet Developer (Software Engineer) for > >>> Southeastern Guide Dogs, and I have offered to help in previous > threads. > >>>> > >>>> I have servers where I can run the site(s), but I doppelg?nger?s need > >>> access to the current server hosting the site. I?d like to develop > >>> something more apt to date, but be able to transfer all the info in the > >>> current site. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Luis A. Guzm?n II > >>>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com > >>>> 941 580-1577 > >>>> > >>>> S/V 1983 Aquetxali > >>>> > >>>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:26 AM, S/V Lark > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> I am not a techie, but absolutely see the need to revamp the class?s > >>> online > >>>>> presence and want to help as I can. > >>>>> > >>>>> Lacking a commodore I?m not sure how we should get the project off > the > >>>>> ground. If we want to use da list as a quorum that is cool, > >>> Otherwise > >>>>> somebody has to run with it and the rest have to keep quiet if we > don?t > >>>>> approve. > >>>>> > >>>>> Alex > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> ----- > >>>>> Alex Cole > >>>>> S/V Lark > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > >>>> > >>> > >>> > > -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Jul 13 13:09:19 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:09:19 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also liked the idea of a Picnic 17 section On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:56 AM Todd Tavares wrote: > From being subscribed to many sailing Facebook pages and groups, I've run > across half a dozen or so Picnic 17 owners. Maybe there could be a tiny > corner where they could exchange info too? It might be a way to get them to > upgrade to a Rhodes 22? > > Todd T. > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020, 9:19 AM Hank wrote: > > > I used to own an Islander 36 and this is the website we had for the > > Islander 36 Association. Granted it is a bit more formal as they were a > > functioning organization, but it gives you some ideas of what could be > > included in the website. > > > > http://www.islander36.org/ > > > > Hank > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:51 AM Ric Stott > > wrote: > > > > > It would be great to have a site where we could post our boats, stories > > > and photos of us and our Dadventures. In addition to the robust quorum > > we > > > have presently. > > > Ric sv Dadventure > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 2020, at 7:47 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?It seems that there is consensus that a refreshed website would be > > > helpful > > > > and that the presence of the email list should be prominently > > highlighted > > > > on the website. It might be helpful to also mention that there is a > > > Rhodes > > > > 22 Owners and Enthusiasts Facebook group ( > > > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/1965860183639772). All of this is in > > the > > > > spirit of bringing people together that have an interest in this > boat. > > > > > > > > Between Michael, Peter, Luis, and Tom it seems that there is plenty > of > > > > technical expertise to go around, so it seems like more of a matter > of > > > > coordination among a smaller group. > > > > > > > > Some other thoughts: > > > > > > > > - As part of the design refresh, it seems like a decision will need > > to > > > > be made about whether the existing hosting for the site would > > continue > > > or > > > > be changed. > > > > - I agree that it would be helpful to have a place on the site to > > list > > > > adventures on R22s. > > > > - Regarding some of the older content that may not make it into the > > > main > > > > sections of the newly organized site, perhaps that could be > retained > > > in an > > > > archive section. > > > > - I think most of us would happily defer to decisions by whoever is > > > > volunteering to do the design work, and the designers could solicit > > > > suggestions and feedback as needed. > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 2:49 PM Peter Nyberg < > peter at sunnybeeches.com> > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I don?t think we?re in need of a server, though obviously Mike can > > speak > > > >> to that topic with much more authority than I. > > > >> > > > >> What we do need is redesigned and updated website content. I?ve > been > > > >> giving this some thought recently, and have some ideas, and I?ve > even > > > >> started playing around with some HTML and CSS, mostly to see how > much > > I > > > >> remember (answer: not much). > > > >> > > > >> To perhaps start a discussion about a new website for the group, > > here?s > > > >> some current content that I think should be removed: > > > >> > > > >> UPS SAIL, R.A.C., Rhodes 18, Rhodes 19, Classics > > > >> > > > >> I think content or links should be added for Bill?s Bahama > Adverture, > > > and > > > >> Chris G?s many adventures. I?m sure there?s more > > > >> > > > >> I?m not sure what should be done about the current library of photos > > > with > > > >> tiny thumbnails. > > > >> > > > >> Peter Nyberg > > > >> (former software developer, now retired) > > > >> Coventry, CT > > > >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >> > > > >>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:58 AM, Luis Guzman < > luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com> > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Alex, > > > >>> > > > >>> I am an Applications and Intranet Developer (Software Engineer) for > > > >> Southeastern Guide Dogs, and I have offered to help in previous > > threads. > > > >>> > > > >>> I have servers where I can run the site(s), but I doppelg?nger?s > need > > > >> access to the current server hosting the site. I?d like to develop > > > >> something more apt to date, but be able to transfer all the info in > > the > > > >> current site. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> Luis A. Guzm?n II > > > >>> http://www.TropicalMinds.com > > > >>> 941 580-1577 > > > >>> > > > >>> S/V 1983 Aquetxali > > > >>> > > > >>>> On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:26 AM, S/V Lark > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> I am not a techie, but absolutely see the need to revamp the > class?s > > > >> online > > > >>>> presence and want to help as I can. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Lacking a commodore I?m not sure how we should get the project off > > the > > > >>>> ground. If we want to use da list as a quorum that is cool, > > > >> Otherwise > > > >>>> somebody has to run with it and the rest have to keep quiet if we > > > don?t > > > >>>> approve. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Alex > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ----- > > > >>>> Alex Cole > > > >>>> S/V Lark > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > >>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 13:23:45 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 12:23:45 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Roger, thanks for the detailed explanation and tips regarding maintenance and extending tire life. I store my trailer behind a tire shop when it's in a slip so I can inquire with the tire shop about Nitrogen. I would be very happy if I could get anywhere close to 9-10 years out of a set of tires. A minor detail is that I think your latest follow up is in response to Rob's reply regarding his educated scepticism. One other note since the topic of keeping water out of the stern came up. The local sailboat shop makes nice custom covers so I had a mast down cover made for the boat since it will be stored outside at the club for the winter. I attached a couple of photos. The photos were from right after I buffed and waxed the hull so you can see reflections off the blue hull paint. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 8:07 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jessie, > > I?ve searched the open literature and have not found an article that > quantifies how much inert gas inflation extends tire life. The theory > seems sound; but, it would be nice to see a study with real data. By the > way, I have my tires inflated with air and they always fail by blow-out, > cracking, or belt separation long before tread wear becomes an issue. I > seem to get 9-10 years out of a set of tires. I inspect them before each > trip and replace all 4 when I see the signs of cracking &/or tread > separation on any of them, since they are all the same age. Like you, I?m > still skeptical of the benefits of inert gas inflation. But, it seemed > like you were interested in ways to extend trailer tire life. > > By the way, you mentioned the new tires ran quieter vs. the old tires. > One of the symptoms of the sort of degradation we are talking about is > increased tire noise while going down the road. But, this effect is subtle > and, since the process takes years to develop, can be hard to detect. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Lowe, Rob > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 8:48 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; > daysails at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter > storage > > Roger, > Thanks for the explanation of why people put nitrogen in tires. It always > seemed to me to be a gimmick that tire shops use to get more money out of > you. No one has been able to explain the science behind it to me. I'm > still a skeptic, but at least now, I'm an educated skeptic. I'll check on > the cost premium next time I need new tires. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 2:27 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List ; > daysails at aol.com > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter > storage > > Hi Jessie, > > While getting the weight off the trailer wheels in the winter and covering > them with tire covers to limit UV exposure will both help extend trailer > tire life, unfortunately the big tire killer is oxygen exposure. Oxygen is > the 2nd most reactive element (behind fluorine) and the rubber polymer > chains in the tires are vulnerable to its effects. One other thing you can > do is fill your tires with nitrogen or argon vs. air. Yes, I know this > sounds silly. But, oxygen degradation is a diffusion limited process. All > else being equal, having an inert gas inflating the interior of the tire > will slow down the diffusion rate by a factor of at least 4X due to > switching oxygen diffusion from a 2-way process (outside in + inside out) > to 1-way (outside in only). Actually, the inert gas may extend the tire?s > life even more because the elevated oxygen partial pressure inside the tire > increases the diffusion driving force favoring oxygen diffusion into the > tire from the inside out by the ratio of the [absolute inflation air oxygen > pressure psia]/[absolute ambient oxygen partial pressure]. For example, > suppose you inflate your tires to 40 psi (40 + 14.7 = 54.7 psia). Air > contains ~21%vol oxygen. So, the partial pressure of oxygen in the ambient > air is 0.21 * 14.7 psia = 3.09 psia. The partial pressure of oxygen inside > your tires is 0.21 * 54.7 psia = 11.5 psia. 11.5 psia / 3.09 psia = 3.7 X > times more diffusion driving force for oxygen from the inside out when the > tire is inflated with air. I would recommend nitrogen vs. argon because > it?s cheaper and the thermal conductivity is about the same as air. The > thermal conductivity of argon is ~40% less than air, which will cause the > tire to run somewhat hotter on the road, which is not good for tire life. > But, this is not a big factor. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:53 AM > To: daysails at aol.com; The Rhodes 22 Email > List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter > storage > > Hi Jessie, > > Yes, having the rear jacks will absolutely stop accumulated water in the > stern from causing the bow to rise up. It also allows you to have as many > people in the cockpit as you wish when you are camping. > > Unfortunately, a lot of my Rhodes 22 cruising gear is locked up and > inaccessible at Johnson Mini Storage. MDOT is working on putting in a > temporary M-30 bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville. However, > they must first clear the debris from the river channel. This includes the > pieces of the Wixom Dam powerhouse, turbines, and generators. MDOT crews > have built a wier just downstream of the wrecked M-30 bridge. This wier > restricts the flow of the river upstream of the bridge and makes it deep > enough for a work barge. The work barge is gathering debris from the river > channel and stacking it on the south river bank. On shore, another tracked > vehicle with a hydraulic claw is scooping up the debris and loading it into > dump trucks. I?m sure they will remove the wier when the job is finished. > However, right now there is a class 3 waterfall/rapids where the river > spills over the wier. The work barge is operating < 100 yds upstream of > the wier. So, it?s very dangerous work. > > MDOT?s crystal ball is calling for the temporary M-30 bridge to be in > place by early October. I will have no access to Johnson Mini Storage > before then. We have no cruise planned on S/V Dynamic Equilibium this year > because so much of my gear is locked away. However, in August, I have two > water related adventures planned. I am going to lead my Boy Scout Troop on > a High Adventure shipwreck SCUBA diving trip in the Straits of Mackinac. > Then, later in the month, my two sons, my brother-in-law, and I are going > to attempt a west to east voyage on Lake Superior thru the Pictured Rocks > National Lakeshore from Munising, MI to Grand Marais, MI by sea kayak. > This will be a 4 day, 3 night trip along one the most exposed stretches of > Lake Superior coastline! > > Other than that, my summer is dull! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > ?There is another benefit of having these rear jacks. A number of years > ago I pulled my Rhodes 22 and left it on the trailer at the marina while I > was working overseas. The drain holes in the cockpit became blocked up with > leaves and a spring rain storm filled the cockpit with rain water. The > weight of the water tipped the bow up and the water submerged the motor > lift. The marina eventually got around to clearing the water out but the > motor had to be replaced. The jacks would have prevented all this. Of > course so would cleaning out the cockpit drains. Joe Riley "Sailing on a > Second Wind" Lake Hartwell, SC > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jesse Shumaker > > To: I wishThe Rhodes 22 EmAail List > > Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2020 9:14 am > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter > storage > > > > Roger, thanks for the tips and the photo of your trailer setup. It's > funny > > that you should mention the rear jacks since I just did something similar > > on Friday and the inspiration was from a photo of your trailer that I had > > stumbled on awhile ago on rhodes22.org ( > > http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/jack1.jpg). I had two tongue jacks, one > > that was on the trailer when I got it (but the wheel didn't turn very > well) > > and another one on the other side that I added last year when I got the > > trailer - however that one didn't want to turn very well either. I had > > left on the old one as a backup. Since I was taking care of a few things > > on my trailer already, I put on a new double wheel tongue jack that is > more > > stout. I moved the two jacks that had been on the tongue so that there > is > > one on each side of the rear of the trailer, so it serves a similar > purpose > > to the jacks you mentioned in terms of stabilization. Since all these > > jacks are on wheels, chocks are still needed to prevent the trailer from > > moving around. I like your setup where you put the wheels up on a board, > > putting chocks on top of the board, and take off most of the weight by > > using the jacks. Where I park for the winter, there can be some > occasional > > standing water or snow so it would be good to have the tires up off the > > ground a bit. I might use a couple of jack stands on either side as well > > to spread the load out when I store it for the winter. Tire covers claim > > to provide some UV protection and are a minimal expense so I'm going to > put > > those on. Hopefully all this leads to tires that stay in good shape for > > longer. > > > > As you mentioned, having the jacks on the front and rear should make for > a > > stable platform when working on the boat on the hard, or for > accommodations > > in campground en route. With the pop top enclosure, and the mosquito > > netting over the bimini to enclose the cockpit, it really meet the the > pop > > up camper criteria! > > > > I will take a look at getting a come-along as well. It sounds like that > > would be a good addition to my growing list of trailering gear. > > > > Given the difficult circumstances at your place with the failed dams, do > > you intend to trailer your boat anywhere else this season? > > > >> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:08 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Jesse, > >> > >> Nice photo! It reminds me of my favorite anchorage called the Church > Camp > >> Cove on Sanford Lake prior to the flood this spring. I won?t be > anchoring > >> there anytime soon. > >> > >> You can certainly use jack stands as per the recommendation of your > >> automotive gearhead friends. However, you might consider what I did. > The > >> attached photo shows a screw-type jack welded onto the trailer frame. > >> There is one of these jacks port and starboard. They each have a > >> quick-release pin. They swing up for trailering and come off for > >> launch/retrieval, so you never immerse them. Using these two jacks and > the > >> tongue jack, one can get the weight off the tires for the winter. > However, > >> you can also use these jacks to change a tire by the side of the road. > You > >> can also use them to level the boat on it?s trailer, so you can use the > >> Rhodes? cabin as a sort of travel trailer for overnight stays in > >> campgrounds. The Rhodes 22?s cabin is way more comfortable than a tent, > >> there?s a full galley, potta-potti, and you?re way up high so the > critters > >> can?t get to you. Some campgrounds don?t allow tent camping, so you > simply > >> register your Rhodes 22 Pop-Up Camper! I find it comforting to wake up > in > >> the morning looking down on my fellow campers. You will never have to > >> carry an extra bottle jack again! However, you might consider throwing > a 2 > >> ton come-along into your bag of trailering gear just in case you get > stuck > >> on a launch ramp again. The come-along + a stout anchor rode will > rescue > >> you from many sticky situations. > >> > >> One of Stan?s beliefs is that everything on the Rhodes 22 should do > >> multiple duties. I think that philosophy should extend to the trailer > as > >> well! > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium[cid:image002.jpg at 01D6579D.86263060] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> From: Chris Geankoplis > >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:29 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 > >> > >> Thanks for sharing your adventure with us. I enjoyed the tale and lesson > >> too! Bottle jack, don?t leave home without it. > >> > >> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 16:40, Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun > Lake > >>> in Iowa. It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally > >>> sail. Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an > >> adventure > >>> than expected. The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on > >> the > >>> trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced. Fortunately, one of > >> the > >>> guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that. We tested > >> out > >>> the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a > >>> broken bunk. I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on > >> the > >>> trailer. Much better to have that happen without a boat on it! We > >>> replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that > >> later) > >>> and loaded up the boat. For the first time, I used the mast lowering > >>> system on the water and that worked well. > >>> > >>> I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next > >> day. > >>> An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew. We > >>> quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the > >> trailer > >>> was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. > >>> Fortunately the rim was not damaged. The tires were 8 ply from 2017. > >> They > >>> made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but > >> appeared > >>> to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter. The > shredded > >>> tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a > trailer > >>> guide bar on that side. I'm lucky it was not more serious. Anyway, > >> after > >>> putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a > few > >>> miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires. > They > >>> got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm > >> probably > >>> lucky the blowout happened close to that shop. The trailer runs > smoother > >>> on the new tires. > >>> > >>> Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since > >>> that is where they had availability. Instead of the small boats for > >>> company, we were the tiny boat in these slips. Imagine my surprise to > >> see > >>> sailboats up to 40' in Iowa. Some of these bigger boats seem to be > used > >>> more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and > sailing. > >>> > >>> There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we > saw > >> a > >>> couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would > >> use > >>> that ramp. We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the > >> steep > >>> ramp with the trailer extension in use. After we were fully off the > >>> trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp. Uh oh. It turns out > >> we > >>> backed off the end of the ramp. Fortunately, we had taken the new > spare > >>> bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the > trailer > >>> just before launching. We used that as a giant lever placed under the > >>> frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck > was > >>> able to pull the trailer out. Whew! We later learned that we used the > >>> high water ramp (the water was not high). Unfortunately there was not > >>> signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention > of > >>> this by the staff. Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling > >>> embarrassed. > >>> > >>> I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which > had > >>> been recently for sale) and a 2000. Unfortunately, I did not see the > >>> owners there. It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in > person. > >>> > >>> The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is > >> the > >>> furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day. We anchored out on Friday > >> and > >>> Saturday night. We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the > boat > >> on > >>> the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I > >>> recently bought. In time I'll be following up with some questions on > >>> anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things. I've > read > >>> the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how > >>> Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4 > ) > >> is > >>> working out in practice. > >>> > >>> I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept > on > >>> top of cockpit cushions on a bench. I had made cockpit filler planks > but > >>> they were content to each sleep on a bench. It wasn't buggy and we > >> didn't > >>> even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. > >>> > >>> Returning was a lot easier. We used the normal ramp to retrieve and > >> didn't > >>> have any problem. I waded out to check the water depth first to be on > >> the > >>> safe side. Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been > >>> through the processes together a few days earlier. Trailering was > >>> uneventful on the way back. My trailer is at the trailer shop for a > few > >>> minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. > >>> > >>> I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used > >> to > >>> camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. > >>> > >>> My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the > >>> tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the > >>> winter. Does anyone else do this? > >>> > >>> I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before > leaving. > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: RathbunMorning.JPG > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 86798 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: < > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200710/4db4c915/attachment.jpe > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 111528 bytes > >> Desc: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200711/cdac89ea/attachment.jpg > >>> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael Riter SV Emma B On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 1:28 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jessie, > > While getting the weight off the trailer wheels in the winter and covering > them with tire covers to limit UV exposure will both help extend trailer > tire life, unfortunately the big tire killer is oxygen exposure. Oxygen is > the 2nd most reactive element (behind fluorine) and the rubber polymer > chains in the tires are vulnerable to its effects. One other thing you can > do is fill your tires with nitrogen or argon vs. air. Yes, I know this > sounds silly. But, oxygen degradation is a diffusion limited process. All > else being equal, having an inert gas inflating the interior of the tire > will slow down the diffusion rate by a factor of at least 4X due to > switching oxygen diffusion from a 2-way process (outside in + inside out) > to 1-way (outside in only). Actually, the inert gas may extend the tire?s > life even more because the elevated oxygen partial pressure inside the tire > increases the diffusion driving force favoring oxygen diffusion into the > tire from the inside out by the ratio of the [absolute inflation air oxygen > pressure psia]/[absolute ambient oxygen partial pressure]. For example, > suppose you inflate your tires to 40 psi (40 + 14.7 = 54.7 psia). Air > contains ~21%vol oxygen. So, the partial pressure of oxygen in the ambient > air is 0.21 * 14.7 psia = 3.09 psia. The partial pressure of oxygen inside > your tires is 0.21 * 54.7 psia = 11.5 psia. 11.5 psia / 3.09 psia = 3.7 X > times more diffusion driving force for oxygen from the inside out when the > tire is inflated with air. I would recommend nitrogen vs. argon because > it?s cheaper and the thermal conductivity is about the same as air. The > thermal conductivity of argon is ~40% less than air, which will cause the > tire to run somewhat hotter on the road, which is not good for tire life. > But, this is not a big factor. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2020 11:53 AM > To: daysails at aol.com; The Rhodes 22 Email > List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter > storage > > Hi Jessie, > > Yes, having the rear jacks will absolutely stop accumulated water in the > stern from causing the bow to rise up. It also allows you to have as many > people in the cockpit as you wish when you are camping. > > Unfortunately, a lot of my Rhodes 22 cruising gear is locked up and > inaccessible at Johnson Mini Storage. MDOT is working on putting in a > temporary M-30 bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville. However, > they must first clear the debris from the river channel. This includes the > pieces of the Wixom Dam powerhouse, turbines, and generators. MDOT crews > have built a wier just downstream of the wrecked M-30 bridge. This wier > restricts the flow of the river upstream of the bridge and makes it deep > enough for a work barge. The work barge is gathering debris from the river > channel and stacking it on the south river bank. On shore, another tracked > vehicle with a hydraulic claw is scooping up the debris and loading it into > dump trucks. I?m sure they will remove the wier when the job is finished. > However, right now there is a class 3 waterfall/rapids where the river > spills over the wier. The work barge is operating < 100 yds upstream of > the wier. So, it?s very dangerous work. > > MDOT?s crystal ball is calling for the temporary M-30 bridge to be in > place by early October. I will have no access to Johnson Mini Storage > before then. We have no cruise planned on S/V Dynamic Equilibium this year > because so much of my gear is locked away. However, in August, I have two > water related adventures planned. I am going to lead my Boy Scout Troop on > a High Adventure shipwreck SCUBA diving trip in the Straits of Mackinac. > Then, later in the month, my two sons, my brother-in-law, and I are going > to attempt a west to east voyage on Lake Superior thru the Pictured Rocks > National Lakeshore from Munising, MI to Grand Marais, MI by sea kayak. > This will be a 4 day, 3 night trip along one the most exposed stretches of > Lake Superior coastline! > > Other than that, my summer is dull! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 12, 2020, at 9:49 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > ?There is another benefit of having these rear jacks. A number of years > ago I pulled my Rhodes 22 and left it on the trailer at the marina while I > was working overseas. The drain holes in the cockpit became blocked up with > leaves and a spring rain storm filled the cockpit with rain water. The > weight of the water tipped the bow up and the water submerged the motor > lift. The marina eventually got around to clearing the water out but the > motor had to be replaced. The jacks would have prevented all this. Of > course so would cleaning out the cockpit drains. Joe Riley "Sailing on a > Second Wind" Lake Hartwell, SC > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jesse Shumaker > > To: I wishThe Rhodes 22 EmAail List > > Sent: Sun, Jul 12, 2020 9:14 am > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter > storage > > > > Roger, thanks for the tips and the photo of your trailer setup. It's > funny > > that you should mention the rear jacks since I just did something similar > > on Friday and the inspiration was from a photo of your trailer that I had > > stumbled on awhile ago on rhodes22.org ( > > http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/jack1.jpg). I had two tongue jacks, one > > that was on the trailer when I got it (but the wheel didn't turn very > well) > > and another one on the other side that I added last year when I got the > > trailer - however that one didn't want to turn very well either. I had > > left on the old one as a backup. Since I was taking care of a few things > > on my trailer already, I put on a new double wheel tongue jack that is > more > > stout. I moved the two jacks that had been on the tongue so that there > is > > one on each side of the rear of the trailer, so it serves a similar > purpose > > to the jacks you mentioned in terms of stabilization. Since all these > > jacks are on wheels, chocks are still needed to prevent the trailer from > > moving around. I like your setup where you put the wheels up on a board, > > putting chocks on top of the board, and take off most of the weight by > > using the jacks. Where I park for the winter, there can be some > occasional > > standing water or snow so it would be good to have the tires up off the > > ground a bit. I might use a couple of jack stands on either side as well > > to spread the load out when I store it for the winter. Tire covers claim > > to provide some UV protection and are a minimal expense so I'm going to > put > > those on. Hopefully all this leads to tires that stay in good shape for > > longer. > > > > As you mentioned, having the jacks on the front and rear should make for > a > > stable platform when working on the boat on the hard, or for > accommodations > > in campground en route. With the pop top enclosure, and the mosquito > > netting over the bimini to enclose the cockpit, it really meet the the > pop > > up camper criteria! > > > > I will take a look at getting a come-along as well. It sounds like that > > would be a good addition to my growing list of trailering gear. > > > > Given the difficult circumstances at your place with the failed dams, do > > you intend to trailer your boat anywhere else this season? > > > >> On Sat, Jul 11, 2020 at 3:08 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Jesse, > >> > >> Nice photo! It reminds me of my favorite anchorage called the Church > Camp > >> Cove on Sanford Lake prior to the flood this spring. I won?t be > anchoring > >> there anytime soon. > >> > >> You can certainly use jack stands as per the recommendation of your > >> automotive gearhead friends. However, you might consider what I did. > The > >> attached photo shows a screw-type jack welded onto the trailer frame. > >> There is one of these jacks port and starboard. They each have a > >> quick-release pin. They swing up for trailering and come off for > >> launch/retrieval, so you never immerse them. Using these two jacks and > the > >> tongue jack, one can get the weight off the tires for the winter. > However, > >> you can also use these jacks to change a tire by the side of the road. > You > >> can also use them to level the boat on it?s trailer, so you can use the > >> Rhodes? cabin as a sort of travel trailer for overnight stays in > >> campgrounds. The Rhodes 22?s cabin is way more comfortable than a tent, > >> there?s a full galley, potta-potti, and you?re way up high so the > critters > >> can?t get to you. Some campgrounds don?t allow tent camping, so you > simply > >> register your Rhodes 22 Pop-Up Camper! I find it comforting to wake up > in > >> the morning looking down on my fellow campers. You will never have to > >> carry an extra bottle jack again! However, you might consider throwing > a 2 > >> ton come-along into your bag of trailering gear just in case you get > stuck > >> on a launch ramp again. The come-along + a stout anchor rode will > rescue > >> you from many sticky situations. > >> > >> One of Stan?s beliefs is that everything on the Rhodes 22 should do > >> multiple duties. I think that philosophy should extend to the trailer > as > >> well! > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium[cid:image002.jpg at 01D6579D.86263060] > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> From: Chris Geankoplis > >> Sent: Friday, July 10, 2020 8:29 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] first road trip with R22 > >> > >> Thanks for sharing your adventure with us. I enjoyed the tale and lesson > >> too! Bottle jack, don?t leave home without it. > >> > >> On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 at 16:40, Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Last weekend, a couple of friends and I took my Rhodes 22 to Rathbun > Lake > >>> in Iowa. It's about 10 times as large as Lake Manawa, where I normally > >>> sail. Preparation and getting there turned out to be more of an > >> adventure > >>> than expected. The week before the trip, I realized the brake line on > >> the > >>> trailer had rusted through and had to be replaced. Fortunately, one of > >> the > >>> guys going on the trip is a mechanic and took care of that. We tested > >> out > >>> the brakes on the trailer the night before leaving, which resulted in a > >>> broken bunk. I saw that right before we were going to load the boat on > >> the > >>> trailer. Much better to have that happen without a boat on it! We > >>> replaced the bunk, got a spare bunk for the other side (more on that > >> later) > >>> and loaded up the boat. For the first time, I used the mast lowering > >>> system on the water and that worked well. > >>> > >>> I picked up a bottle jack and jack stand just before we left the next > >> day. > >>> An hour into the trip, the driver side tire on the trailer blew. We > >>> quickly pulled over since the tire was completely shredded and the > >> trailer > >>> was resting on the rim since this is just a single axle trailer. > >>> Fortunately the rim was not damaged. The tires were 8 ply from 2017. > >> They > >>> made the trip from Florida to Iowa a year ago with no problem but > >> appeared > >>> to have developed flat spots from sitting over the winter. The > shredded > >>> tire took out a minor side light on the trailer and knocked off a > trailer > >>> guide bar on that side. I'm lucky it was not more serious. Anyway, > >> after > >>> putting on the spare and getting back underway, I found a tire shop a > few > >>> miles away so I went ahead and got all new Power King 10 ply tires. > They > >>> got us in right away and it was only $100 a tire installed, so I'm > >> probably > >>> lucky the blowout happened close to that shop. The trailer runs > smoother > >>> on the new tires. > >>> > >>> Upon arrival, we were moved to a larger slip than we had reserved since > >>> that is where they had availability. Instead of the small boats for > >>> company, we were the tiny boat in these slips. Imagine my surprise to > >> see > >>> sailboats up to 40' in Iowa. Some of these bigger boats seem to be > used > >>> more as floating condos with a mast rather than getting out and > sailing. > >>> > >>> There was a ramp right next to the slip that we were assigned and we > saw > >> a > >>> couple of powerboats launch and retrieve there, so we figured we would > >> use > >>> that ramp. We got the mast up on land and proceeded to back down the > >> steep > >>> ramp with the trailer extension in use. After we were fully off the > >>> trailer, the truck couldn't get back up the ramp. Uh oh. It turns out > >> we > >>> backed off the end of the ramp. Fortunately, we had taken the new > spare > >>> bunk with us and had removed it from where it was strapped to the > trailer > >>> just before launching. We used that as a giant lever placed under the > >>> frame in front of the wheels to pop up the trailer and then the truck > was > >>> able to pull the trailer out. Whew! We later learned that we used the > >>> high water ramp (the water was not high). Unfortunately there was not > >>> signage to identify it as the high water ramp and there was no mention > of > >>> this by the staff. Oh well, we came out unscathed other than feeling > >>> embarrassed. > >>> > >>> I was also surprised to see two R22s at Rathbun: one from 1976 (which > had > >>> been recently for sale) and a 2000. Unfortunately, I did not see the > >>> owners there. It would have been nice to meet another Rhodie in > person. > >>> > >>> The knot meter read 22NM after a full day of sailing on Friday which is > >> the > >>> furthest that I've gone on my boat in a day. We anchored out on Friday > >> and > >>> Saturday night. We used the Fortress FX7 anchor that came with the > boat > >> on > >>> the first night and on the second night we used a 13lb Mantus M2 that I > >>> recently bought. In time I'll be following up with some questions on > >>> anchoring now that I've got a chance to try out a few things. I've > read > >>> the anchoring threads in the archives but I'm really curious to see how > >>> Peter's new anchoring setup (described at https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4 > ) > >> is > >>> working out in practice. > >>> > >>> I slept in the cabin on the extended settee and my friends each slept > on > >>> top of cockpit cushions on a bench. I had made cockpit filler planks > but > >>> they were content to each sleep on a bench. It wasn't buggy and we > >> didn't > >>> even end up using the netting or pop-top on the second night anchoring. > >>> > >>> Returning was a lot easier. We used the normal ramp to retrieve and > >> didn't > >>> have any problem. I waded out to check the water depth first to be on > >> the > >>> safe side. Mast lowering and raising was easier since we all had been > >>> through the processes together a few days earlier. Trailering was > >>> uneventful on the way back. My trailer is at the trailer shop for a > few > >>> minor repairs to make sure it's ready for the next adventure. > >>> > >>> I definitely learned some lessons about trailering, ramps, and got used > >> to > >>> camping on the boat for a few days with a couple of friends. > >>> > >>> My friends (both are automotive guys) recommended taking weight off the > >>> tires by using some jack stands when the boat is on the trailer for the > >>> winter. Does anyone else do this? > >>> > >>> I attached a photo from the anchorage on the last morning before > leaving. > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: RathbunMorning.JPG > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 86798 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: < > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200710/4db4c915/attachment.jpe > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 111528 bytes > >> Desc: EE347300B31342B48C3D5338375B4707.jpg > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200711/cdac89ea/attachment.jpg > >>> > >> > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Jul 13 14:33:06 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 14:33:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901d65944$0e0009a0$2a001ce0$@ebsmed.com> Jesse, What was the cost on the cover? It looks great! Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:24 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage One other note since the topic of keeping water out of the stern came up. The local sailboat shop makes nice custom covers so I had a mast down cover made for the boat since it will be stored outside at the club for the winter. I attached a couple of photos. The photos were from right after I buffed and waxed the hull so you can see reflections off the blue hull paint. 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A walk around the club in the winter or spring provided plenty of cheap homemade winter cover gone wrong examples that provided incentive to invest in a long term solution up front. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:33 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Jesse, > > What was the cost on the cover? It looks great! > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:24 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter > storage > > One other note since the topic of keeping water out of the stern came up. > The local sailboat shop makes nice custom covers so I had a mast down > cover made for the boat since it will be stored outside at the club for the > winter. I attached a couple of photos. The photos were from right after I > buffed and waxed the hull so you can see reflections off the blue hull > paint. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: WinterCover02.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 172904 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200713/f3634c21/attachment.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: WinterCover01.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 197349 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200713/f3634c21/attachment-0001.jpe > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 16:57:10 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:57:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> <003901d65944$0e0009a0$2a001ce0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: I forgot to mention that price included the mast crutch that attached to the rudder gudgeons and kept the mast level for the cover. The GB mast crutch that I use for stepping the mast was too high for the cover. I also made a simple support that fits into the tabernacle (see attached photo) and supports the mast while it is down for the winter so there wouldn't be too much weight on the gudgeons. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > I think it was around $1200. I justified the cost because I plan on > owning the boat for a long time and figured it was better to go with a good > cover than risk damage due to tarp failure. A walk around the club in the > winter or spring provided plenty of cheap homemade winter cover gone wrong > examples that provided incentive to invest in a long term solution up front. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:33 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > >> Jesse, >> >> What was the cost on the cover? It looks great! >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> I?d rather be sailing :~) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Jesse Shumaker >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:24 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter >> storage >> >> One other note since the topic of keeping water out of the stern came up. >> The local sailboat shop makes nice custom covers so I had a mast down >> cover made for the boat since it will be stored outside at the club for the >> winter. I attached a couple of photos. The photos were from right after I >> buffed and waxed the hull so you can see reflections off the blue hull >> paint. >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: WinterCover02.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 172904 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200713/f3634c21/attachment.jpe >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: WinterCover01.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 197349 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200713/f3634c21/attachment-0001.jpe >> > >> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MastDownSupport.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 42226 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Jul 13 17:15:01 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 17:15:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> <003901d65944$0e0009a0$2a001ce0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <004701d6595a$ac412ed0$04c38c70$@ebsmed.com> Jesse, All in all it is very impressive. I am not sure if I can justify the cost. The last cover that I had purchased for my Rhodes became quite brittle in about five years and also had a respectable price tag. I decided to use a high quality tarp (Harbor Freight 29x19x9mil silver heavy duty) replacing it every season. The yearly tarp cost is less than $50 with a 20% off coupon and provides ample height for winter/spring work access when I use my PVC frame. During the worst of the winter I tie it fairly tightly to prevent animal entry and protect from winds, rain and snow. The size permits covering the boat, motor and trailer, protecting the tires as well. Yes, I added the rear trailer jacks (from Harbor Freight) years ago to elevate the tires off the ground and level the boat. I usually reuse the tarp around the yard or give it away since it is still in pretty good shape in the spring. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:57 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage I forgot to mention that price included the mast crutch that attached to the rudder gudgeons and kept the mast level for the cover. The GB mast crutch that I use for stepping the mast was too high for the cover. I also made a simple support that fits into the tabernacle (see attached photo) and supports the mast while it is down for the winter so there wouldn't be too much weight on the gudgeons. On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > I think it was around $1200. I justified the cost because I plan on > owning the boat for a long time and figured it was better to go with a > good cover than risk damage due to tarp failure. A walk around the > club in the winter or spring provided plenty of cheap homemade winter > cover gone wrong examples that provided incentive to invest in a long term solution up front. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:33 PM Michael D. Weisner > > wrote: > >> Jesse, >> >> What was the cost on the cover? It looks great! >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> I?d rather be sailing :~) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Jesse Shumaker >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:24 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for >> winter storage >> >> One other note since the topic of keeping water out of the stern came up. >> The local sailboat shop makes nice custom covers so I had a mast down >> cover made for the boat since it will be stored outside at the club >> for the winter. I attached a couple of photos. 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Name: MastDownSupport.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 42226 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 17:46:39 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 16:46:39 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: <004701d6595a$ac412ed0$04c38c70$@ebsmed.com> References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> <003901d65944$0e0009a0$2a001ce0$@ebsmed.com> <004701d6595a$ac412ed0$04c38c70$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Mike, it sounds like you have a good and affordable system in place. Thanks for sharing about the jack usage as well. If I had a place to keep the boat at home so I could keep an eye on it I might have gone for the tarp approach. A number of the sailors at the club mentioned how the covers had helped keep their boat in good shape so I figured I might as well invest in that approach up front rather than end up like some of the boats I saw with sterns full of water from ripped tarps and clogged scuppers. In my first year of boat ownership (I bought it over July 4th weekend in 2019), I have really learned the meaning of the BOAT acronym! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 4:15 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Jesse, > > All in all it is very impressive. I am not sure if I can justify the cost. > The last cover that I had purchased for my Rhodes became quite brittle in > about five years and also had a respectable price tag. > > I decided to use a high quality tarp (Harbor Freight 29x19x9mil silver > heavy duty) replacing it every season. The yearly tarp cost is less than > $50 with a 20% off coupon and provides ample height for winter/spring work > access when I use my PVC frame. During the worst of the winter I tie it > fairly tightly to prevent animal entry and protect from winds, rain and > snow. The size permits covering the boat, motor and trailer, protecting the > tires as well. Yes, I added the rear trailer jacks (from Harbor Freight) > years ago to elevate the tires off the ground and level the boat. > > I usually reuse the tarp around the yard or give it away since it is still > in pretty good shape in the spring. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 4:57 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter > storage > > I forgot to mention that price included the mast crutch that attached to > the rudder gudgeons and kept the mast level for the cover. The GB mast > crutch that I use for stepping the mast was too high for the cover. I also > made a simple support that fits into the tabernacle (see attached photo) > and supports the mast while it is down for the winter so there wouldn't be > too much weight on the gudgeons. > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 2:34 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think it was around $1200. I justified the cost because I plan on > > owning the boat for a long time and figured it was better to go with a > > good cover than risk damage due to tarp failure. A walk around the > > club in the winter or spring provided plenty of cheap homemade winter > > cover gone wrong examples that provided incentive to invest in a long > term solution up front. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:33 PM Michael D. Weisner > > > > wrote: > > > >> Jesse, > >> > >> What was the cost on the cover? It looks great! > >> > >> Mike > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >> Nissequogue River, NY > >> I?d rather be sailing :~) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> Sent: Monday, July 13, 2020 1:24 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for > >> winter storage > >> > >> One other note since the topic of keeping water out of the stern came > up. > >> The local sailboat shop makes nice custom covers so I had a mast down > >> cover made for the boat since it will be stored outside at the club > >> for the winter. I attached a couple of photos. The photos were from > >> right after I buffed and waxed the hull so you can see reflections > >> off the blue hull paint. > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > >> scrubbed... > >> Name: WinterCover02.JPG > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 172904 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200713/f363 > >> 4c21/attachment.jpe > >> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > >> scrubbed... > >> Name: WinterCover01.JPG > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 197349 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200713/f363 > >> 4c21/attachment-0001.jpe > >> > > >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: MastDownSupport.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 42226 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200713/f8b6e71f/attachment.jpe > > > > From morrisix at comcast.net Mon Jul 13 18:32:29 2020 From: morrisix at comcast.net (Bill) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 15:32:29 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: <004701d6595a$ac412ed0$04c38c70$@ebsmed.com> References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> <003901d65944$0e0009a0$2a001ce0$@ebsmed.com> <004701d6595a$ac412ed0$04c38c70$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1594679549618-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Mike, I do exactly the same thing with the coupon and silver tarp at Harbor Freight. Same size as well. Been doing it 5 years now with a new tarp every year. Although, like yours, the tarp is still in great shape, but why risk it when it?s under $50.00. I don?t have a pvc frame, just drape it over the mast and tie it off to the trailer. It covers everything and does a great job here in Michigan. The snow slides off easily, most times on its own. Bill -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Jul 13 22:05:34 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 22:05:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The Website and The List In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> Some people are envisioning something far more grand for a refurbished website than what I personally had in mind. As I mentioned before, it is my opinion that most important function of the rhodes22.org website is that it gives people who develop an interest in Rhodes 22 sailboats a way to find the email list. The biggest problem with the website as it currently exists is that it doesn?t do that particularly well. I think this situation can be improved with a fairly modest effort. A second function the website provides is as a repository for what I?ll call ?reference material?. There?s the pictures, some owner?s manuals, some links to this and that, and the FAQ area, which is particularly useful, but misnamed. I recall that when I was doing my initial investigation into the Rhodes 22, I spent a lot of time looking through this material. So, to me, it seems clear that the new website should retain these functions, but dressed in better clothes. Something else that the current website does is make a small effort to include Rhodes designed boats other than the Rhodes 22. Despite the fact that the URL is rhodes22.org , the main page title is ?Rhodes Boat Owners? Homepage?. There?s a section for the Rhodes 18 (content: 7 pictures), a section for the Rhodes 19 (content: nothing), and a section for ?Classics? (content: 4 pictures and a dead link). I think this just muddies the water and is useful to no-one. There have been recent suggestions to add a section for the Picnic 17, but again, at the moment, we have no useful content. I believe it would be best to stick to our core mission: the Rhodes 22. And finally, I don?t think there?s really a need for more interactive features like posting personal stories or items for sale. I doubt these would be used enough to worth the development effort involved, and for a group this size I think the email list serves these ends pretty well. ?Peter From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Jul 13 23:19:48 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2020 23:19:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> Message-ID: <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca> Rob: Sorry for being so dim witted, but I don't want to do something stupid and when it comes to electrical matters that is more than a remote possibility. When you say that you have your electrical equipment 'grounded' at the battery that that mean that you connect the ground screw on the transducer to the negative pole on the battery? Thanks Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:07 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Graham, To summarize what Roger said, just because you have enough voltage doesn't mean you have enough current. Your draining battery example shows that. I've got all my electrical equipment 'grounded' at the battery. But that is battery ground and not earth ground. We could get into a very long discussion about the merits and advantages of each system, but that's a topic for another day. Unless you are hooked up to shore power, having a true earth ground may not be necessary. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:53 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Thanks to all for your help. I don't think the battery is the problem as it is brand new and my battery monitor reads a steady 12.6 volts. I replaced it this year because I found last year that if the voltage dropped below 10.5 volts the display turned off completely. The battery would quickly drain to below what was required. I assumed that if the display comes on the power would not be the issue but poor connections are a real possibility. I will check out those and the current reaching the display as suggested. The unit was never actually grounded in the past and that didn't seem to cause any difficulties. What do others do to "ground" their electronics? Would a bronze thru hull fitting not be sufficient? Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:37 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems I'm with Michael. Just because you have power to the unit doesn't mean you have a good connection. I'd examine every connection, especially those for the transducer cables. Having a bad ground can also effect the instrument readings. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mike Riter Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:29 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. Michael Riter SV Emma B On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > desperate attempt to get help. > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > but > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature > show erratic numbers. > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > display > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > on > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most > grateful. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 00:07:53 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 00:07:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca> References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, Grounding to the battery means that the negative of each of your circuits terminate at the negative battery bus, which is connected to the negative pole of your battery switch if you have one. I highly recommend you get Don Casey's book on Sailboat electrical as it will really help. I've replaced the entire panel on my Islander 36, which was a lot more complex than the Rhodes 22. It's really not that difficult once you understand the concepts. Hank On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:19 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rob: > Sorry for being so dim witted, but I don't want to do something stupid and > when it comes to electrical matters that is more than a remote possibility. > > When you say that you have your electrical equipment 'grounded' at the > battery that that mean that you connect the ground screw on the transducer > to the negative pole on the battery? > > Thanks > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:07 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Graham, > To summarize what Roger said, just because you have enough voltage doesn't > mean you have enough current. Your draining battery example shows that. > > I've got all my electrical equipment 'grounded' at the battery. But that > is > battery ground and not earth ground. We could get into a very long > discussion about the merits and advantages of each system, but that's a > topic for another day. Unless you are hooked up to shore power, having a > true earth ground may not be necessary. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Graham > Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:53 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Thanks to all for your help. I don't think the battery is the problem as it > is brand new and my battery monitor reads a steady 12.6 volts. I replaced > it > this year because I found last year that if the voltage dropped below 10.5 > volts the display turned off completely. The battery would quickly drain to > below what was required. > > I assumed that if the display comes on the power would not be the issue but > poor connections are a real possibility. I will check out those and the > current reaching the display as suggested. > > The unit was never actually grounded in the past and that didn't seem to > cause any difficulties. What do others do to "ground" their electronics? > Would a bronze thru hull fitting not be sufficient? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:37 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > I'm with Michael. Just because you have power to the unit doesn't mean you > have a good connection. I'd examine every connection, especially those for > the transducer cables. Having a bad ground can also effect the instrument > readings. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mike > Riter > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like > a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and > work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some > of > > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > > desperate attempt to get help. > > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without > fail. > > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > > but > > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and > temperature > > show erratic numbers. > > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > > display > > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that > both > > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The > wiring > > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. > Nevertheless > > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > > on > > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be > most > > grateful. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > From ksimolo at frontiernet.net Tue Jul 14 02:07:18 2020 From: ksimolo at frontiernet.net (ksimolo) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 02:07:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage Message-ID: In my opinion, using nitrogen in tires to prevent oxidation is a waste of money for normal driving but is a good money maker for the places that provide it. ?The rates of these oxidative reactions relative to the amount of rubber will not lead to significant degradation in the timeframes we are discussing. ?As far as gas leakage goes, if you check your tire pressure every couple of months, you would never have to worry about nitrogen vs air since the difference between the two is small. ?If the air you use is very wet, you might see a difference in pressure fluctuations during a trip but they would be small relative to the changes from heat. Blocking UV degradation will have a much greater impact on longer tire life. ?Compare the integrity of the inside of your tire to the outside of your tire sometime, especially when you have a tire where the side walls are starting to crack. ?The outside is always much worse on any that I have looked at. ?? There are some very poor quality tires out there, especially the brand that has been on every trailer I have purchased. ?Most large trailer manufacturers are not going to spend the extra money necessary to provide you with a quality tire. ?Take the nitrogen money and put it towards better tires and you will be further ahead. Ken From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 07:20:09 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 04:20:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] securing gas tank and storage containers under cockpit benches In-Reply-To: <1592415717554-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1592402789883-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592415717554-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1594725609255-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I ended up getting a second gas tank of the same kind (3.1 gallon Tohatsu purchased from Defender.com) and securing it in the same way, while also using the dual lock velcro to attach it to the other tank. The result is a very secure setup since the tanks act as one big block now. I preferred to go with two smaller tanks rather than one large tank since handling two smaller tanks would be easier to manage on the occasion where I might need both full. Also, I could leave one tank on board while getting the other filled. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 07:39:08 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 04:39:08 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1594726748341-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Roger, good luck on your SCUBA and kayaking adventures! It sounds like you are making the most out of this summer despite the issues with the dam failures. From my sailing trip to Apostle Islands, I came to appreciate how cold the water (and the air blowing over the water) is in Lake Superior. As I'm sure you know, the land based forecast only somewhat relates to what the weather feels like over the water. At one point while we were sailing, I was wearing almost every item of clothing that I brought which resulted in A LOT of layers. What kind of wetsuits do you wear to stay warm for water activities in the Great Lakes? Perhaps the water will have warmed up some by the end of summer. We had a great time on our sailing trip in the Apostle Islands in June. We had plenty of wind and got the Jeanneau 33 to over 8 knots on a few occasions: under full sail, with the first reef, and with the second reef. There was barely any one out there when we were there so most of the time there were no other boats in sight. On the last day we left the anchorage at Presque Isle Bay on Stockton Island and were beating into the wind as we made our way back to the marina. Once we made it through the narrow stretch between Long Island and Madeline Island, the wind really picked up and we had to drop sails quickly. That was my first experience with a few waves coming over the bow and spray making it all the way back to the cockpit. We were getting the remains of the Cristobal storm as it came north. A friend had a trip planned to Apostle Islands with his wife to get certified through ASA for bareboat charter, but his wife can't go and he needed someone else to come in order to still do the class. I did the ASA 103 and 104 in Kemah, Texas in February just before the pandemic hit, but I could certainly use more instruction and time at the helm of a bigger boat in bigger water, so I'm headed back to Apostle Islands again in early August with my friend. It will be interesting to see what the weather is like in comparison to June. This time we'll be on a Hunter 34. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 08:43:38 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 05:43:38 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage In-Reply-To: References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> <003901d65944$0e0009a0$2a001ce0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1594730618630-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I have a mast-up cover in excellent shape that came with the boat. I will let it go for $750.00. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Jul 14 09:00:37 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:00:37 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca>, Message-ID: Graham, Yes, that is what I meant. You connect the negative side of your instruments to the negative pole of the battery. If there is also a grounding screw on the transducer itself (equipment ground) I would also connect that to the negative pole of your battery. In this case you are connecting your ground circuit to your negative circuit, which is acceptable. What we are doing on our boats is creating our own electrical network that is isolated from other networks. If that all you have going, you should be fine. If you are hooked up to shore power at any any point (external network), you would need to make sure your boat ground is connected to the shore power ground (earth ground) but your shore power connector should do that for you if all is in working order. Things get much more complicated if you have an AC genset on board and have bonding and grounding and stray currents involved. In this case I would definitely agree with Hank and seek a copy of Don Casey's book on sailboat electrical systems. - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Hank Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:07 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Graham, Grounding to the battery means that the negative of each of your circuits terminate at the negative battery bus, which is connected to the negative pole of your battery switch if you have one. I highly recommend you get Don Casey's book on Sailboat electrical as it will really help. I've replaced the entire panel on my Islander 36, which was a lot more complex than the Rhodes 22. It's really not that difficult once you understand the concepts. Hank On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:19 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rob: > Sorry for being so dim witted, but I don't want to do something stupid and > when it comes to electrical matters that is more than a remote possibility. > > When you say that you have your electrical equipment 'grounded' at the > battery that that mean that you connect the ground screw on the transducer > to the negative pole on the battery? > > Thanks > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:07 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Graham, > To summarize what Roger said, just because you have enough voltage doesn't > mean you have enough current. Your draining battery example shows that. > > I've got all my electrical equipment 'grounded' at the battery. But that > is > battery ground and not earth ground. We could get into a very long > discussion about the merits and advantages of each system, but that's a > topic for another day. Unless you are hooked up to shore power, having a > true earth ground may not be necessary. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Graham > Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:53 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Thanks to all for your help. I don't think the battery is the problem as it > is brand new and my battery monitor reads a steady 12.6 volts. I replaced > it > this year because I found last year that if the voltage dropped below 10.5 > volts the display turned off completely. The battery would quickly drain to > below what was required. > > I assumed that if the display comes on the power would not be the issue but > poor connections are a real possibility. I will check out those and the > current reaching the display as suggested. > > The unit was never actually grounded in the past and that didn't seem to > cause any difficulties. What do others do to "ground" their electronics? > Would a bronze thru hull fitting not be sufficient? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:37 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > I'm with Michael. Just because you have power to the unit doesn't mean you > have a good connection. I'd examine every connection, especially those for > the transducer cables. Having a bad ground can also effect the instrument > readings. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mike > Riter > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like > a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and > work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some > of > > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > > desperate attempt to get help. > > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without > fail. > > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > > but > > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and > temperature > > show erratic numbers. > > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > > display > > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that > both > > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The > wiring > > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. > Nevertheless > > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > > on > > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be > most > > grateful. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Jul 14 09:26:59 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:26:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca> Message-ID: <04b301d659e2$76aa6dd0$63ff4970$@ca> HanK: I took your advice and downloaded Casey"s book last night. There are various locations where the book can be downloaded in PDF for free. He is a very clear writer that even I might understand. He has a great drawing of the battery ground. Various other honey do matters have stood in the way of thoroughly investigating the electrical problem with my instrument but I hope to get to it in the next few days. I will probably be posting more questions as I go. Thanks for your recommendation. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:08 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Graham, Grounding to the battery means that the negative of each of your circuits terminate at the negative battery bus, which is connected to the negative pole of your battery switch if you have one. I highly recommend you get Don Casey's book on Sailboat electrical as it will really help. I've replaced the entire panel on my Islander 36, which was a lot more complex than the Rhodes 22. It's really not that difficult once you understand the concepts. Hank On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:19 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rob: > Sorry for being so dim witted, but I don't want to do something stupid and > when it comes to electrical matters that is more than a remote possibility. > > When you say that you have your electrical equipment 'grounded' at the > battery that that mean that you connect the ground screw on the transducer > to the negative pole on the battery? > > Thanks > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:07 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Graham, > To summarize what Roger said, just because you have enough voltage doesn't > mean you have enough current. Your draining battery example shows that. > > I've got all my electrical equipment 'grounded' at the battery. But that > is > battery ground and not earth ground. We could get into a very long > discussion about the merits and advantages of each system, but that's a > topic for another day. Unless you are hooked up to shore power, having a > true earth ground may not be necessary. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Graham > Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:53 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Thanks to all for your help. I don't think the battery is the problem as it > is brand new and my battery monitor reads a steady 12.6 volts. I replaced > it > this year because I found last year that if the voltage dropped below 10.5 > volts the display turned off completely. The battery would quickly drain to > below what was required. > > I assumed that if the display comes on the power would not be the issue but > poor connections are a real possibility. I will check out those and the > current reaching the display as suggested. > > The unit was never actually grounded in the past and that didn't seem to > cause any difficulties. What do others do to "ground" their electronics? > Would a bronze thru hull fitting not be sufficient? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:37 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > I'm with Michael. Just because you have power to the unit doesn't mean you > have a good connection. I'd examine every connection, especially those for > the transducer cables. Having a bad ground can also effect the instrument > readings. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mike > Riter > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like > a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and > work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some > of > > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > > desperate attempt to get help. > > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without > fail. > > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > > but > > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and > temperature > > show erratic numbers. > > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > > display > > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that > both > > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The > wiring > > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. > Nevertheless > > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > > on > > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be > most > > grateful. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > From daysails at aol.com Tue Jul 14 09:31:51 2020 From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:31:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Tiller In-Reply-To: <1594730618630-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> <003901d65944$0e0009a0$2a001ce0$@ebsmed.com> <1594730618630-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1853581304.983113.1594733511672@mail.yahoo.com> Here is a picture of my new fire engine, red tiller from General Boats!? They cut out the hole for the tiller extension so it was an easy matter to swap out my old delaminating one.? The only down side I can see about ordering one is that people used to compliment me about the boat now they say, "Wow what a great looking tiller!"? Thanks Stan!? Joe Riley Sailing on a Second Wind.? Lake Hartwell SC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 3A3C2230-D267-4794-9F03-092274CCFD84.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2380380 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Jul 14 09:41:03 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:41:03 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water Trips On Lake Superior In-Reply-To: <1594726748341-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> , <1594726748341-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Jesse, For the Boy Scout Shipwreck SCUBA Diving High Adventure Trip, I will be wearing a full wetsuit, hood, dive gloves, and dive booties, all 5 mm neoprene. This gear is quite insulating, to the point that you must wait until immediately prior to the dive to suit up, or you risk overheating. For the kayaking trip, I will be wearing a 3 mm shorty wetsuit, booties, knee pads (my knees tend to chafe on the inside of the kayak + the inside of the hull is not insulated & it tends to suck the heat out of anything that touches it), paddling gloves, my Tilley hat, and of, course, a PFD. If the weather is cold &/or windy, I will add nylon rain pants, a fleece jacket, a nylon splash jacket with a hood, and warmer gloves over the paddling gloves. We try to be on the water in our kayaks at 1st light because the wind is usually calm in the early morning. If the wind and waves pick up by late morning, we will often take a long lunch break and then get back out on the water in the evening when the wind often lets up. In the summer in the UP, it stays light until 10:00 PM, so we can often get in quite a few miles in the evening. We are scheduled to paddle about 8-10 miles per day, so we only need 4-5 hours of decent paddling weather to log each day?s quota. We will have extra supplies, so we can stay in place in case of a bad weather day. Lake Superior is in charge on this trip! The first day will be the most dangerous as we paddle past the tallest of the Pictured Rocks. The shoreline here is very unforgiving with very few safe places to haul out if something bad happens. We scheduled both of these trips in August to allow Lake Superior as much time as possible to warm up and yet not too late in the season when the weather tends to close in and make a sea kayaking trip a very iffy proposition. Stay tuned! Lake Superior may spank us causing us to have to portage our boats and gear out for several miles along the North Country Trail. If it was idiot proof, it wouldn?t be a High Adventure Trip! When I have to stand my watch in foul weather, I find that layering up is the key. If it?s really bad, I will wear a polypropylene underwear base layer top and bottom, fleece middle layer top and bottom, nylon ski mask, polypropylene glove liners, ice fishing gloves, foul weather bib overalls, a good breathable splash jacket with a hood, thick synthetic insulated socks, and insulated pull-on Muck boots. I usually wear a baseball cap under the hood so it better supports the hood?s visor and helps to shed water away from my face. My bib overalls are from Gill. My splash jacket is from Duluth Trading Alaska Hardgear. I don?t like the current trend towards nonvisible colors from the big name makers and venders of foul weather gear. My Duluth Trading jacket is bright yellow, plain and simple. Style points don?t count when you go into the water, you just want to be seen. This outfit seems to work pretty well as long as the temperature isn?t so low that the spray is freezing onto the topsides. I usually wear my life line harness over the top of my type 3 PFD. The type 3 PFD adds a little more insulation on your torso vs an inflatable PFD and it doesn?t restrict your activity. Even more important, it adds some padding around your rib cage when your tether jerks you to a stop! Boy, 2 trips to the Apostle Islands in one year. I?m jealous! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:39 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter storage Roger, good luck on your SCUBA and kayaking adventures! It sounds like you are making the most out of this summer despite the issues with the dam failures. From my sailing trip to Apostle Islands, I came to appreciate how cold the water (and the air blowing over the water) is in Lake Superior. As I'm sure you know, the land based forecast only somewhat relates to what the weather feels like over the water. At one point while we were sailing, I was wearing almost every item of clothing that I brought which resulted in A LOT of layers. What kind of wetsuits do you wear to stay warm for water activities in the Great Lakes? Perhaps the water will have warmed up some by the end of summer. We had a great time on our sailing trip in the Apostle Islands in June. We had plenty of wind and got the Jeanneau 33 to over 8 knots on a few occasions: under full sail, with the first reef, and with the second reef. There was barely any one out there when we were there so most of the time there were no other boats in sight. On the last day we left the anchorage at Presque Isle Bay on Stockton Island and were beating into the wind as we made our way back to the marina. Once we made it through the narrow stretch between Long Island and Madeline Island, the wind really picked up and we had to drop sails quickly. That was my first experience with a few waves coming over the bow and spray making it all the way back to the cockpit. We were getting the remains of the Cristobal storm as it came north. A friend had a trip planned to Apostle Islands with his wife to get certified through ASA for bareboat charter, but his wife can't go and he needed someone else to come in order to still do the class. I did the ASA 103 and 104 in Kemah, Texas in February just before the pandemic hit, but I could certainly use more instruction and time at the helm of a bigger boat in bigger water, so I'm headed back to Apostle Islands again in early August with my friend. It will be interesting to see what the weather is like in comparison to June. This time we'll be on a Hunter 34. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Jul 14 09:52:15 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 13:52:15 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Tiller In-Reply-To: <1853581304.983113.1594733511672@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> <003901d65944$0e0009a0$2a001ce0$@ebsmed.com> <1594730618630-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <1853581304.983113.1594733511672@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Beautiful! What you'd pay for that if I could ask. I might need to get one. My wooden one looks like crap. Wonder if Stan has one in blue? - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Sling via Rhodes22-list Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:31 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Tiller Here is a picture of my new fire engine, red tiller from General Boats! They cut out the hole for the tiller extension so it was an easy matter to swap out my old delaminating one. The only down side I can see about ordering one is that people used to compliment me about the boat now they say, "Wow what a great looking tiller!" Thanks Stan! Joe Riley Sailing on a Second Wind. Lake Hartwell SC -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 3A3C2230-D267-4794-9F03-092274CCFD84.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2380380 bytes Desc: not available URL: From allynb at adsne.com Tue Jul 14 10:50:34 2020 From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 14:50:34 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts Message-ID: I've been intending on getting photos taken since I posted this, and I'm at the boat club several times a week and keep forgetting. The rudder blade is down all the way, and I've tilted the engine and tried everything I can think of to keep them from hitting each other. At best, the prop just barely nicks the edge of the rudder blade as you can see in the one picture where the blade is up (next to the engine). I now rarely motor in and out of my slip (only when solo), so this is less of an issue, but I still need to repair the damage to the rudder. I've not pulled my boat out of the water since March, and I don't have an easy way to measure the distances. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:16 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts Allyn, Mary Lou Troy is correct. The rudder blade needs to be all the way down in order to clear the prop. However, your boat might have another issue. Your motor mount might be installed too far inboard. Or, your rudder might have been installed off the transom centerline to port; but, that seems very unlikely. Try this: Measure the distance from the rudder's gudgeon centerline to the centerline of the outboard motor mount. It's pouring cat & dogs right now, so I can't go make that measurement on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium. But, when the rain lets up, I will go make that measurement and let you know what I find. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Mary Lou Troy Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:27 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts Is your rudder pulled all the way forward with the control line on the front edge of the rudder? It sails better with it pulled forward too. Ours was close after we bought a new motor with a larger low-thrust prop but the rudder never came in contact with the prop. Hopefully someone else has had and solved the issue. Mary Lou On 6/9/2020 11:38 PM, Allyn Baskerville wrote: > Being new to the local boat club, I was assigned a slip that can be a > challenging getting in and out of. I literally have 2' to spare > backing up and none on the port side. I rely on the engine getting > outOf the slip area, though it's not bad pulling back into the slip. > The engine doesn't turn with the rudder, and I have to be very careful > or the prop bangs on the rudder. Depending on the wind, I sometimes > have to make some sharp turns. I need to fix the rudder due to prop > damage, but before doing so, does anyone else have this problem? Any > solutions for dealing with this? Thanks > > Sent from my iPhone -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0576 (1).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 83560 bytes Desc: IMG_0576 (1).jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll try to attach two photos. > Gas_tank_in_restraint.jpg > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t902/Gas_tank_in_restraint.jpg> > > Gas_tank_restraint.jpg > > > > Chris on LBI > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Jul 14 11:52:44 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:52:44 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: <04b301d659e2$76aa6dd0$63ff4970$@ca> References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca> , <04b301d659e2$76aa6dd0$63ff4970$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, You can download Casey's book for free? What a deal! Can I ask where you found that? It would be a great resource to have. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:26 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems HanK: I took your advice and downloaded Casey"s book last night. There are various locations where the book can be downloaded in PDF for free. He is a very clear writer that even I might understand. He has a great drawing of the battery ground. Various other honey do matters have stood in the way of thoroughly investigating the electrical problem with my instrument but I hope to get to it in the next few days. I will probably be posting more questions as I go. Thanks for your recommendation. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:08 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Graham, Grounding to the battery means that the negative of each of your circuits terminate at the negative battery bus, which is connected to the negative pole of your battery switch if you have one. I highly recommend you get Don Casey's book on Sailboat electrical as it will really help. I've replaced the entire panel on my Islander 36, which was a lot more complex than the Rhodes 22. It's really not that difficult once you understand the concepts. Hank On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:19 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rob: > Sorry for being so dim witted, but I don't want to do something stupid and > when it comes to electrical matters that is more than a remote possibility. > > When you say that you have your electrical equipment 'grounded' at the > battery that that mean that you connect the ground screw on the transducer > to the negative pole on the battery? > > Thanks > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:07 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Graham, > To summarize what Roger said, just because you have enough voltage doesn't > mean you have enough current. Your draining battery example shows that. > > I've got all my electrical equipment 'grounded' at the battery. But that > is > battery ground and not earth ground. We could get into a very long > discussion about the merits and advantages of each system, but that's a > topic for another day. Unless you are hooked up to shore power, having a > true earth ground may not be necessary. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Graham > Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:53 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Thanks to all for your help. I don't think the battery is the problem as it > is brand new and my battery monitor reads a steady 12.6 volts. I replaced > it > this year because I found last year that if the voltage dropped below 10.5 > volts the display turned off completely. The battery would quickly drain to > below what was required. > > I assumed that if the display comes on the power would not be the issue but > poor connections are a real possibility. I will check out those and the > current reaching the display as suggested. > > The unit was never actually grounded in the past and that didn't seem to > cause any difficulties. What do others do to "ground" their electronics? > Would a bronze thru hull fitting not be sufficient? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:37 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > I'm with Michael. Just because you have power to the unit doesn't mean you > have a good connection. I'd examine every connection, especially those for > the transducer cables. Having a bad ground can also effect the instrument > readings. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mike > Riter > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like > a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and > work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some > of > > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > > desperate attempt to get help. > > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without > fail. > > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > > but > > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and > temperature > > show erratic numbers. > > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > > display > > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that > both > > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The > wiring > > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. > Nevertheless > > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > > on > > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be > most > > grateful. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > From bferguson at jcu.edu Tue Jul 14 11:59:21 2020 From: bferguson at jcu.edu (NewIn76) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 08:59:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca> <04b301d659e2$76aa6dd0$63ff4970$@ca> Message-ID: <1594742361026-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Rob, I just found it here, if this is the correct book. http://www.sailflyingcloud.com/Downloads/This%20Old%20Boat-2nd-Casey.pdf Brian ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Jul 14 12:05:02 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:05:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: <1594742361026-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca> <04b301d659e2$76aa6dd0$63ff4970$@ca> <1594742361026-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <02f001d659f8$88fe3190$9afa94b0$@ebsmed.com> That download link is for This Old Boat, also a great read. The book on electrical systems is available at: https://www.engbookspdf.com/uploads/pdf-books/SailboatElectricsSimplifiedbyD onCasey-1.pdf Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:59 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Rob, I just found it here, if this is the correct book. http://www.sailflyingcloud.com/Downloads/This%20Old%20Boat-2nd-Casey.pdf Brian ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 12:05:06 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 11:05:06 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water Trips On Lake Superior In-Reply-To: References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> <1594726748341-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Roger, it sounds like you are well prepared for your trips and have all the right gear. My foul weather gear is currently re-purposed from hiking and bicycle touring. As the sailing trips escalate I'll need to invest in some proper foul weather gear. Cold water diving in the great lakes sounds like quite the adventure. My diving has been limited to relatively warmer waters in Australia and Mexico. It's been about 20 years since then (semesters abroad during college) but I was able to get in some nice diving on the Great Barrier Reef and some variety in terms of day, night, drift, wreck, and cave diving. Looking back on the cave diving, I see how dangerous that was, but that was back when I was young and invincible. Though they aren't sailing trips, everyone on the forum loves being on the water and it would be great to hear how your upcoming trips go. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 8:41 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > For the Boy Scout Shipwreck SCUBA Diving High Adventure Trip, I will be > wearing a full wetsuit, hood, dive gloves, and dive booties, all 5 mm > neoprene. This gear is quite insulating, to the point that you must wait > until immediately prior to the dive to suit up, or you risk overheating. > > For the kayaking trip, I will be wearing a 3 mm shorty wetsuit, booties, > knee pads (my knees tend to chafe on the inside of the kayak + the inside > of the hull is not insulated & it tends to suck the heat out of anything > that touches it), paddling gloves, my Tilley hat, and of, course, a PFD. > If the weather is cold &/or windy, I will add nylon rain pants, a fleece > jacket, a nylon splash jacket with a hood, and warmer gloves over the > paddling gloves. We try to be on the water in our kayaks at 1st light > because the wind is usually calm in the early morning. If the wind and > waves pick up by late morning, we will often take a long lunch break and > then get back out on the water in the evening when the wind often lets up. > In the summer in the UP, it stays light until 10:00 PM, so we can often get > in quite a few miles in the evening. We are scheduled to paddle about 8-10 > miles per day, so we only need 4-5 hours of decent paddling weather to log > each day?s quota. We will have extra supplies, so we can stay in place in > case of a bad weather day. Lake Superior is in charge on this trip! The > first day will be the most dangerous as we paddle past the tallest of the > Pictured Rocks. The shoreline here is very unforgiving with very few safe > places to haul out if something bad happens. > > We scheduled both of these trips in August to allow Lake Superior as much > time as possible to warm up and yet not too late in the season when the > weather tends to close in and make a sea kayaking trip a very iffy > proposition. Stay tuned! Lake Superior may spank us causing us to have to > portage our boats and gear out for several miles along the North Country > Trail. If it was idiot proof, it wouldn?t be a High Adventure Trip! > > When I have to stand my watch in foul weather, I find that layering up is > the key. If it?s really bad, I will wear a polypropylene underwear base > layer top and bottom, fleece middle layer top and bottom, nylon ski mask, > polypropylene glove liners, ice fishing gloves, foul weather bib overalls, > a good breathable splash jacket with a hood, thick synthetic insulated > socks, and insulated pull-on Muck boots. I usually wear a baseball cap > under the hood so it better supports the hood?s visor and helps to shed > water away from my face. My bib overalls are from Gill. My splash jacket > is from Duluth Trading Alaska Hardgear. I don?t like the current trend > towards nonvisible colors from the big name makers and venders of foul > weather gear. My Duluth Trading jacket is bright yellow, plain and > simple. Style points don?t count when you go into the water, you just > want to be seen. This outfit seems to work pretty well as long as the > temperature isn?t so low that the spray is freezing onto the topsides. I > usually wear my life line harness over the top of my type 3 PFD. The type > 3 PFD adds a little more insulation on your torso vs an inflatable PFD and > it doesn?t restrict your activity. Even more important, it adds some > padding around your rib cage when your tether jerks you to a stop! > > Boy, 2 trips to the Apostle Islands in one year. I?m jealous! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 7:39 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Getting the weight off the tires for winter > storage > > Roger, good luck on your SCUBA and kayaking adventures! It sounds like you > are making the most out of this summer despite the issues with the dam > failures. From my sailing trip to Apostle Islands, I came to appreciate > how > cold the water (and the air blowing over the water) is in Lake Superior. > As > I'm sure you know, the land based forecast only somewhat relates to what > the > weather feels like over the water. At one point while we were sailing, I > was wearing almost every item of clothing that I brought which resulted in > A > LOT of layers. What kind of wetsuits do you wear to stay warm for water > activities in the Great Lakes? Perhaps the water will have warmed up some > by the end of summer. > > We had a great time on our sailing trip in the Apostle Islands in June. We > had plenty of wind and got the Jeanneau 33 to over 8 knots on a few > occasions: under full sail, with the first reef, and with the second reef. > There was barely any one out there when we were there so most of the time > there were no other boats in sight. On the last day we left the anchorage > at Presque Isle Bay on Stockton Island and were beating into the wind as we > made our way back to the marina. Once we made it through the narrow > stretch > between Long Island and Madeline Island, the wind really picked up and we > had to drop sails quickly. That was my first experience with a few waves > coming over the bow and spray making it all the way back to the cockpit. > We > were getting the remains of the Cristobal storm as it came north. > > A friend had a trip planned to Apostle Islands with his wife to get > certified through ASA for bareboat charter, but his wife can't go and he > needed someone else to come in order to still do the class. I did the ASA > 103 and 104 in Kemah, Texas in February just before the pandemic hit, but I > could certainly use more instruction and time at the helm of a bigger boat > in bigger water, so I'm headed back to Apostle Islands again in early > August > with my friend. It will be interesting to see what the weather is like in > comparison to June. This time we'll be on a Hunter 34. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Jul 14 12:12:02 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 12:12:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02f301d659f9$836a5140$8a3ef3c0$@ebsmed.com> Allyn, The engine must be all the way down on the motor mount as well as the motor tilt. There should be a control to change the motor angle independent of the motor lift which should bring the prop closer to the stern. You should note that in the pictures, the motor is slightly angled towards the rudder and must point straight back or even slightly outboard (you can compensate the thrust with the rudder). Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:51 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts I've been intending on getting photos taken since I posted this, and I'm at the boat club several times a week and keep forgetting. The rudder blade is down all the way, and I've tilted the engine and tried everything I can think of to keep them from hitting each other. At best, the prop just barely nicks the edge of the rudder blade as you can see in the one picture where the blade is up (next to the engine). I now rarely motor in and out of my slip (only when solo), so this is less of an issue, but I still need to repair the damage to the rudder. 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The Charlie Wing book about Boat Electrics is another that I sometimes use to cross reference. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Jul 14 12:38:34 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 16:38:34 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts In-Reply-To: <02f301d659f9$836a5140$8a3ef3c0$@ebsmed.com> References: , <02f301d659f9$836a5140$8a3ef3c0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Allyn, Does your motor swivel port and starboard or is it locked in one location? Almost looks like your motor is rotated inward a bit. For your rudder, the photos show the line you use to rotate and cam cleat the rudder in the raised position, but do you have a line and a similar cam cleat to keep it in the 'down' position? My first Rhodes did not have one and I had to add one to hold the rudder in the correct position. My current boat uses a line to pull the rudder forward and then that line is snugged down to hold it in place. I actually have to use a boat hook to push the rudder down all the way and then I can snug up the line to hold it in position. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:12 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts Allyn, The engine must be all the way down on the motor mount as well as the motor tilt. There should be a control to change the motor angle independent of the motor lift which should bring the prop closer to the stern. You should note that in the pictures, the motor is slightly angled towards the rudder and must point straight back or even slightly outboard (you can compensate the thrust with the rudder). Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:51 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts I've been intending on getting photos taken since I posted this, and I'm at the boat club several times a week and keep forgetting. The rudder blade is down all the way, and I've tilted the engine and tried everything I can think of to keep them from hitting each other. At best, the prop just barely nicks the edge of the rudder blade as you can see in the one picture where the blade is up (next to the engine). I now rarely motor in and out of my slip (only when solo), so this is less of an issue, but I still need to repair the damage to the rudder. I've not pulled my boat out of the water since March, and I don't have an easy way to measure the distances. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To solve this issue, I mounted a propeller guard, a simple and effective way to prevent the prop from damaging the rudder. Attached are two photos of the stainless steel guard, it also helps protect the prop from getting tangled with weeds or fishing lines. I have not noticed any significant negative effect on propulsion. There are several brands available, including Mac's Prop Saver which is sold by West Marine and elsewhere. Dan Stricof Leelanau County, Northern Michigan On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:50 AM Allyn Baskerville wrote: > I've been intending on getting photos taken since I posted this, and I'm > at the boat club several times a week and keep forgetting. The rudder blade > is down all the way, and I've tilted the engine and tried everything I can > think of to keep them from hitting each other. At best, the prop just > barely nicks the edge of the rudder blade as you can see in the one picture > where the blade is up (next to the engine). I now rarely motor in and out > of my slip (only when solo), so this is less of an issue, but I still need > to repair the damage to the rudder. I've not pulled my boat out of the > water since March, and I don't have an easy way to measure the distances. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:16 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts > > Allyn, > > Mary Lou Troy is correct. The rudder blade needs to be all the way down > in order to clear the prop. However, your boat might have another issue. > Your motor mount might be installed too far inboard. Or, your rudder might > have been installed off the transom centerline to port; but, that seems > very unlikely. Try this: Measure the distance from the rudder's gudgeon > centerline to the centerline of the outboard motor mount. It's pouring cat > & dogs right now, so I can't go make that measurement on S/V Dynamic > Equilibrium. But, when the rain lets up, I will go make that measurement > and let you know what I find. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Mary Lou Troy > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:27 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts > > Is your rudder pulled all the way forward with the control line on the > front edge of the rudder? It sails better with it pulled forward too. > > Ours was close after we bought a new motor with a larger low-thrust prop > but the rudder never came in contact with the prop. Hopefully someone else > has had and solved the issue. > > Mary Lou > > On 6/9/2020 11:38 PM, Allyn Baskerville wrote: > > Being new to the local boat club, I was assigned a slip that can be a > > challenging getting in and out of. I literally have 2' to spare > > backing up and none on the port side. I rely on the engine getting > > outOf the slip area, though it's not bad pulling back into the slip. > > The engine doesn't turn with the rudder, and I have to be very careful > > or the prop bangs on the rudder. Depending on the wind, I sometimes > > have to make some sharp turns. I need to fix the rudder due to prop > > damage, but before doing so, does anyone else have this problem? Any > > solutions for dealing with this? 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Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Dan Stricof Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts I would recommend using a propeller guard, it should solve the problem completely without the need to move your motor mount or other more difficult solutions. I sometimes launch in shallow water where I cannot put the rudder down all the way, I dinged my rudder a couple of times. To solve this issue, I mounted a propeller guard, a simple and effective way to prevent the prop from damaging the rudder. Attached are two photos of the stainless steel guard, it also helps protect the prop from getting tangled with weeds or fishing lines. I have not noticed any significant negative effect on propulsion. There are several brands available, including Mac's Prop Saver which is sold by West Marine and elsewhere. Dan Stricof Leelanau County, Northern Michigan On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:50 AM Allyn Baskerville wrote: > I've been intending on getting photos taken since I posted this, and > I'm at the boat club several times a week and keep forgetting. The > rudder blade is down all the way, and I've tilted the engine and tried > everything I can think of to keep them from hitting each other. At > best, the prop just barely nicks the edge of the rudder blade as you > can see in the one picture where the blade is up (next to the engine). > I now rarely motor in and out of my slip (only when solo), so this is > less of an issue, but I still need to repair the damage to the rudder. > I've not pulled my boat out of the water since March, and I don't have an easy way to measure the distances. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:16 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts > > Allyn, > > Mary Lou Troy is correct. The rudder blade needs to be all the way > down in order to clear the prop. However, your boat might have another issue. > Your motor mount might be installed too far inboard. Or, your rudder > might have been installed off the transom centerline to port; but, > that seems very unlikely. Try this: Measure the distance from the > rudder's gudgeon centerline to the centerline of the outboard motor > mount. It's pouring cat & dogs right now, so I can't go make that > measurement on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium. But, when the rain lets up, I > will go make that measurement and let you know what I find. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Mary Lou Troy > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:27 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts > > Is your rudder pulled all the way forward with the control line on the > front edge of the rudder? It sails better with it pulled forward too. > > Ours was close after we bought a new motor with a larger low-thrust > prop but the rudder never came in contact with the prop. Hopefully > someone else has had and solved the issue. > > Mary Lou > > On 6/9/2020 11:38 PM, Allyn Baskerville wrote: > > Being new to the local boat club, I was assigned a slip that can be > > a challenging getting in and out of. I literally have 2' to spare > > backing up and none on the port side. I rely on the engine getting > > outOf the slip area, though it's not bad pulling back into the slip. > > The engine doesn't turn with the rudder, and I have to be very > > careful or the prop bangs on the rudder. Depending on the wind, I > > sometimes have to make some sharp turns. I need to fix the rudder > > due to prop damage, but before doing so, does anyone else have this > > problem? Any solutions for dealing with this? Thanks > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: IMG_0576 (1).jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 83560 bytes > Desc: IMG_0576 (1).jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200714/7dfb7 > 556/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: IMG_0577 (1).jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 69649 bytes > Desc: IMG_0577 (1).jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200714/7dfb7 > 556/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: IMG_0578 (1).jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 101502 bytes > Desc: IMG_0578 (1).jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200714/7dfb7 > 556/attachment-0002.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1401.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 784216 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1402.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 549623 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark at whipplefamily.com Tue Jul 14 15:13:05 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:13:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: <1594743179527-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca> <04b301d659e2$76aa6dd0$63ff4970$@ca> <1594742361026-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <02f001d659f8$88fe3190$9afa94b0$@ebsmed.com> <1594743179527-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: While I'm certainly no expert on the topic, if you want to look into grounding metal things on your boat you can do some Internet research on "bonding." Very mixed opinions on this topic. My Nimble 30 has heavy copper cables connecting the engine, all the through-hulls and the mast and finally a metal plate on outside of the hull. The one on that boat is called a "Dynaplate" which I think it's currently sold by Guest Marine. I believe some of the goals of bonding include equalizing the galvanic potential of all the through-hulls and the engine in order to reduce/eliminate galvanic corrosion. I think if you have a short wave/SSB radio on board you also need this type of "grounding." Mark Whipple Boston, MA 2000 R22 Luna Mia 1987 Nimble 30 For Sale 1982 ComPac 16 For Sale On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:12 PM NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Thanks Mike. I got confused which Casey book to look up. I think I have > Don > Casey's collection in hardback on the shelf. The Charlie Wing book about > Boat Electrics is another that I sometimes use to cross reference. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Jul 14 15:48:24 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2020 15:48:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca> <04b301d659e2$76aa6dd0$63ff4970$@ca> <1594742361026-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <02f001d659f8$88fe3190$9afa94b0$@ebsmed.com> <1594743179527-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <002101d65a17$bd6a3450$383e9cf0$@ebsmed.com> Hi Mark, I particularly love your signature. Everything BUT the R22 is for sale! Enjoy the sail and I hope that they sell. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Mark Whipple Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 3:13 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems While I'm certainly no expert on the topic, if you want to look into grounding metal things on your boat you can do some Internet research on "bonding." Very mixed opinions on this topic. My Nimble 30 has heavy copper cables connecting the engine, all the through-hulls and the mast and finally a metal plate on outside of the hull. The one on that boat is called a "Dynaplate" which I think it's currently sold by Guest Marine. I believe some of the goals of bonding include equalizing the galvanic potential of all the through-hulls and the engine in order to reduce/eliminate galvanic corrosion. I think if you have a short wave/SSB radio on board you also need this type of "grounding." Mark Whipple Boston, MA 2000 R22 Luna Mia 1987 Nimble 30 For Sale 1982 ComPac 16 For Sale On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 12:12 PM NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Thanks Mike. I got confused which Casey book to look up. I think I > have Don Casey's collection in hardback on the shelf. The Charlie > Wing book about Boat Electrics is another that I sometimes use to > cross reference. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Jul 15 00:10:07 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 00:10:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <031501d6546e$6e4cc8f0$4ae65ad0$@ca> <04ac01d6598d$a396d400$eac47c00$@ca> <04b301d659e2$76aa6dd0$63ff4970$@ca> Message-ID: <04dd01d65a5d$d5dae840$8190b8c0$@ca> I just googled it and several sources poped up. Doing it now only one appears - not the one I used. Try https://www.engbookspdf.com/download/Electrical-Books/Sailboat-Electrics-Sim plified-Don-Casey Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:53 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Graham, You can download Casey's book for free? What a deal! Can I ask where you found that? It would be a great resource to have. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:26 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems HanK: I took your advice and downloaded Casey"s book last night. There are various locations where the book can be downloaded in PDF for free. He is a very clear writer that even I might understand. He has a great drawing of the battery ground. Various other honey do matters have stood in the way of thoroughly investigating the electrical problem with my instrument but I hope to get to it in the next few days. I will probably be posting more questions as I go. Thanks for your recommendation. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Hank Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:08 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Graham, Grounding to the battery means that the negative of each of your circuits terminate at the negative battery bus, which is connected to the negative pole of your battery switch if you have one. I highly recommend you get Don Casey's book on Sailboat electrical as it will really help. I've replaced the entire panel on my Islander 36, which was a lot more complex than the Rhodes 22. It's really not that difficult once you understand the concepts. Hank On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:19 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Rob: > Sorry for being so dim witted, but I don't want to do something stupid and > when it comes to electrical matters that is more than a remote possibility. > > When you say that you have your electrical equipment 'grounded' at the > battery that that mean that you connect the ground screw on the transducer > to the negative pole on the battery? > > Thanks > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:07 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Graham, > To summarize what Roger said, just because you have enough voltage doesn't > mean you have enough current. Your draining battery example shows that. > > I've got all my electrical equipment 'grounded' at the battery. But that > is > battery ground and not earth ground. We could get into a very long > discussion about the merits and advantages of each system, but that's a > topic for another day. Unless you are hooked up to shore power, having a > true earth ground may not be necessary. - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Graham > Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 10:53 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Thanks to all for your help. I don't think the battery is the problem as it > is brand new and my battery monitor reads a steady 12.6 volts. I replaced > it > this year because I found last year that if the voltage dropped below 10.5 > volts the display turned off completely. The battery would quickly drain to > below what was required. > > I assumed that if the display comes on the power would not be the issue but > poor connections are a real possibility. I will check out those and the > current reaching the display as suggested. > > The unit was never actually grounded in the past and that didn't seem to > cause any difficulties. What do others do to "ground" their electronics? > Would a bronze thru hull fitting not be sufficient? > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:37 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > I'm with Michael. Just because you have power to the unit doesn't mean you > have a good connection. I'd examine every connection, especially those for > the transducer cables. Having a bad ground can also effect the instrument > readings. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Mike > Riter > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Since the problem is affecting all four sensors, it seems suspiciously like > a loose or corroded connection. I would start at the instrument panel and > work my way back towards the transducer checking each connection point. > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B > > > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 7:49 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some > of > > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > > desperate attempt to get help. > > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without > fail. > > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > > but > > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and > temperature > > show erratic numbers. > > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > > display > > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that > both > > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The > wiring > > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. > Nevertheless > > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > > on > > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be > most > > grateful. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 07:23:00 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 04:23:00 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts In-Reply-To: <000b01d65a0d$584a0910$08de1b30$@ebsmed.com> References: <000b01d65a0d$584a0910$08de1b30$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <1594812180326-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Radiant (ex Opus) came with a linkage between the motor and the rudder. Both are controlled by the tiller and turn as a unit. It makes a HUGE difference in maneuverability! I think Stan added it during the 2016 refit. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 11:27:07 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 11:27:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Tiller In-Reply-To: References: <1774980505.277453.1594561764770@mail.yahoo.com> <003901d65944$0e0009a0$2a001ce0$@ebsmed.com> <1594730618630-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1853581304.983113.1594733511672@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Rob, I just got a deep blue colored one with a pivot hole. $440 with shipping. Regards, Rick Lange On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 9:52 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Beautiful! What you'd pay for that if I could ask. I might need to get > one. My wooden one looks like crap. Wonder if Stan has one in blue? - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Sling via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 9:31 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Tiller > > Here is a picture of my new fire engine, red tiller from General Boats! > They cut out the hole for the tiller extension so it was an easy matter to > swap out my old delaminating one. The only down side I can see about > ordering one is that people used to compliment me about the boat now they > say, "Wow what a great looking tiller!" Thanks Stan! Joe Riley Sailing on > a Second Wind. Lake Hartwell SC > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 3A3C2230-D267-4794-9F03-092274CCFD84.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2380380 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200714/67683eb4/attachment.jpeg > > > From allynb at adsne.com Wed Jul 15 12:10:34 2020 From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 16:10:34 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts In-Reply-To: References: , <02f301d659f9$836a5140$8a3ef3c0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: The motor does swivel. Although it appears rotated, when I'm on the boat, it looks pretty straight. However, I'll rotate it out a bit tonight when I go out there. This boat does have a cam cleat, but the line's diameter is slightly too wide to cleat, so I end up tying and untying the line to the tiller each time I sail to keep the rudder blade down. I've been intending on purchasing some thinner line, so I'll make this a priority. I don't have any problem pulling the blade all the way down with the line on the front. Thanks for the input. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:39 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts Allyn, Does your motor swivel port and starboard or is it locked in one location? Almost looks like your motor is rotated inward a bit. For your rudder, the photos show the line you use to rotate and cam cleat the rudder in the raised position, but do you have a line and a similar cam cleat to keep it in the 'down' position? My first Rhodes did not have one and I had to add one to hold the rudder in the correct position. My current boat uses a line to pull the rudder forward and then that line is snugged down to hold it in place. I actually have to use a boat hook to push the rudder down all the way and then I can snug up the line to hold it in position. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:12 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts Allyn, The engine must be all the way down on the motor mount as well as the motor tilt. There should be a control to change the motor angle independent of the motor lift which should bring the prop closer to the stern. You should note that in the pictures, the motor is slightly angled towards the rudder and must point straight back or even slightly outboard (you can compensate the thrust with the rudder). Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:51 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts I've been intending on getting photos taken since I posted this, and I'm at the boat club several times a week and keep forgetting. The rudder blade is down all the way, and I've tilted the engine and tried everything I can think of to keep them from hitting each other. At best, the prop just barely nicks the edge of the rudder blade as you can see in the one picture where the blade is up (next to the engine). I now rarely motor in and out of my slip (only when solo), so this is less of an issue, but I still need to repair the damage to the rudder. I've not pulled my boat out of the water since March, and I don't have an easy way to measure the distances. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Michael, thanks for the link. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Dan Stricof Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts I would recommend using a propeller guard, it should solve the problem completely without the need to move your motor mount or other more difficult solutions. I sometimes launch in shallow water where I cannot put the rudder down all the way, I dinged my rudder a couple of times. To solve this issue, I mounted a propeller guard, a simple and effective way to prevent the prop from damaging the rudder. Attached are two photos of the stainless steel guard, it also helps protect the prop from getting tangled with weeds or fishing lines. I have not noticed any significant negative effect on propulsion. There are several brands available, including Mac's Prop Saver which is sold by West Marine and elsewhere. Dan Stricof Leelanau County, Northern Michigan On Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 10:50 AM Allyn Baskerville wrote: > I've been intending on getting photos taken since I posted this, and > I'm at the boat club several times a week and keep forgetting. The > rudder blade is down all the way, and I've tilted the engine and tried > everything I can think of to keep them from hitting each other. At > best, the prop just barely nicks the edge of the rudder blade as you > can see in the one picture where the blade is up (next to the engine). > I now rarely motor in and out of my slip (only when solo), so this is > less of an issue, but I still need to repair the damage to the rudder. > I've not pulled my boat out of the water since March, and I don't have an easy way to measure the distances. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 12:16 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts > > Allyn, > > Mary Lou Troy is correct. The rudder blade needs to be all the way > down in order to clear the prop. However, your boat might have another issue. > Your motor mount might be installed too far inboard. Or, your rudder > might have been installed off the transom centerline to port; but, > that seems very unlikely. Try this: Measure the distance from the > rudder's gudgeon centerline to the centerline of the outboard motor > mount. It's pouring cat & dogs right now, so I can't go make that > measurement on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium. But, when the rain lets up, I > will go make that measurement and let you know what I find. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Mary Lou Troy > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 9:27 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts > > Is your rudder pulled all the way forward with the control line on the > front edge of the rudder? It sails better with it pulled forward too. > > Ours was close after we bought a new motor with a larger low-thrust > prop but the rudder never came in contact with the prop. Hopefully > someone else has had and solved the issue. > > Mary Lou > > On 6/9/2020 11:38 PM, Allyn Baskerville wrote: > > Being new to the local boat club, I was assigned a slip that can be > > a challenging getting in and out of. I literally have 2' to spare > > backing up and none on the port side. I rely on the engine getting > > outOf the slip area, though it's not bad pulling back into the slip. > > The engine doesn't turn with the rudder, and I have to be very > > careful or the prop bangs on the rudder. Depending on the wind, I > > sometimes have to make some sharp turns. I need to fix the rudder > > due to prop damage, but before doing so, does anyone else have this > > problem? Any solutions for dealing with this? 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I wouldn't be surprised if these have been addressed, though. Thanks for sharing. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of JeffSmith Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 6:23 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts Radiant (ex Opus) came with a linkage between the motor and the rudder. Both are controlled by the tiller and turn as a unit. It makes a HUGE difference in maneuverability! I think Stan added it during the 2016 refit. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Jul 15 22:12:36 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 22:12:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> Message-ID: <002c01d65b16$94c42920$be4c7b60$@ca> Well I finally got a chance to do some electrical investigating using Roger's much appreciated strategy but have come up short. The battery, which is new and fully charged reads 12.63 volts on its own without the main switch engaged. I get virtually the same reading with the system switched on and the same again for the leads where they enter the display unit. I checked the line out from the display and it is the same. So I seem to have full power going to the display. The fact that all of the readings are either missing entirely or steadily rising makes me think it might be a faulty unit. If anyone can think of anything else I might check I would appreciate the suggestion. I really don't want to have to buy or install a new unit. Thanks to all for their suggestions. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:15 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Hi Graham, Just because the display comes on does not necessarily mean you have no power issues. The LCD display will operate on low voltage and requires very little current. The fact that your unit operated for 20+ years without a "sea ground" means it was operating with ground defined as the battery's (-) terminal. So, here are some things to check: 1. Check the voltage at the battery terminals. If the battery is 100% charged and all circuits are turned off, the voltage should be ~13 VDC. If the voltage is <=12.5 VDC; then disconnect the (+) & (-) terminals and measure again. If the voltage is still low, try charging the battery. If the battery won't accept a charge; then, it needs to be replaced. 2. If the battery voltage is ~13 VDC, turn on the instrument circuit. Again, check the voltage at the battery. If the voltage drops; then you have a short circuit in the instrument wiring, the instrument itself, or a bad battery. 3. Now, check the voltage at the instrument. It should be nearly the same as at the battery. You can check your B&G Owner's manual for the minimum power supply voltage. On my Raymarine Autohelm ST50 instruments, the specified voltage range is 11.0 VDC <= [Supply Voltage] < 16.0 VDC. I have found the ST50 instruments will keep operating long after all the other electronics have shut down due to low battery voltage. But, your B&G system might be more finicky about proper power. 4. If the voltage at the instrument is too low; then, try disconnecting the power from the instrument and then measure the voltage on the wires. It should be the same as at the battery. If you have proper voltage in the disconnected wires and low voltage when you connect them; then, you have isolated the problem to the B&G instrument itself. Good luck getting service on a 20+ year old instrument! If I were a gambling man, I would place my bet on a bad battery. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 8:49 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last desperate attempt to get help. I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day but thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature show erratic numbers. I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the display comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone on da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most grateful. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario From tavares0947 at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 23:19:18 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2020 23:19:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: <002c01d65b16$94c42920$be4c7b60$@ca> References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <002c01d65b16$94c42920$be4c7b60$@ca> Message-ID: I haven't read all the posts. I assume you are doing all of your power checks with the negative lead of your meter on the battery ground? If you have battery voltage going into the instrument, and the same voltage coming out on the ground (with the neg meter still on the (-) battery terminal, the open is on the ground, return side. The meter reads battery voltage when bridging the open section of the circuit. This is why I like to troubleshoot DC with a test light. But let me read the rest of the posts. I'l still make a dumb comment then... tavares0947 at gmail.com On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Well I finally got a chance to do some electrical investigating using > Roger's much appreciated strategy but have come up short. The battery, > which is new and fully charged reads 12.63 volts on its own without the > main > switch engaged. I get virtually the same reading with the system switched > on > and the same again for the leads where they enter the display unit. I > checked the line out from the display and it is the same. So I seem to have > full power going to the display. > > The fact that all of the readings are either missing entirely or steadily > rising makes me think it might be a faulty unit. If anyone can think of > anything else I might check I would appreciate the suggestion. I really > don't want to have to buy or install a new unit. > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:15 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Hi Graham, > > Just because the display comes on does not necessarily mean you have no > power issues. The LCD display will operate on low voltage and requires > very > little current. The fact that your unit operated for 20+ years without a > "sea ground" means it was operating with ground defined as the battery's > (-) > terminal. So, here are some things to check: > > > 1. Check the voltage at the battery terminals. If the battery is 100% > charged and all circuits are turned off, the voltage should be ~13 VDC. If > the voltage is <=12.5 VDC; then disconnect the (+) & (-) terminals and > measure again. If the voltage is still low, try charging the battery. If > the battery won't accept a charge; then, it needs to be replaced. > 2. If the battery voltage is ~13 VDC, turn on the instrument circuit. > Again, check the voltage at the battery. If the voltage drops; then you > have a short circuit in the instrument wiring, the instrument itself, or a > bad battery. > 3. Now, check the voltage at the instrument. It should be nearly the > same as at the battery. You can check your B&G Owner's manual for the > minimum power supply voltage. On my Raymarine Autohelm ST50 instruments, > the specified voltage range is 11.0 VDC <= [Supply Voltage] < 16.0 VDC. I > have found the ST50 instruments will keep operating long after all the > other > electronics have shut down due to low battery voltage. But, your B&G > system > might be more finicky about proper power. > 4. If the voltage at the instrument is too low; then, try disconnecting > the power from the instrument and then measure the voltage on the wires. > It > should be the same as at the battery. If you have proper voltage in the > disconnected wires and low voltage when you connect them; then, you have > isolated the problem to the B&G instrument itself. Good luck getting > service on a 20+ year old instrument! > > If I were a gambling man, I would place my bet on a bad battery. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 8:49 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > desperate attempt to get help. > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > but > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature > show erratic numbers. > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > display > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > on > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most > grateful. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 07:51:58 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 04:51:58 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder-Engine Conflicts In-Reply-To: References: <000b01d65a0d$584a0910$08de1b30$@ebsmed.com> <1594812180326-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1594900318184-0.post@n5.nabble.com> The lincage is easy to connect/ disconnect when the motor is down and the motor steering lock is off. The first few times I forgot to disconnect and raised the motor, but nothing broke. The jury is still out as to whether to engage or not when straight line motoring. I haven't closely inspected, but it seems it could be owner installed. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Jul 16 10:12:35 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 14:12:35 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <002c01d65b16$94c42920$be4c7b60$@ca>, Message-ID: Graham, I'm running out of suggestions. I'd visibly check all the wiring between the display and the sending unit but after that, perhaps the unit is faulty. Good thing is you don't need it to sail! - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd Tavares Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:19 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems I haven't read all the posts. I assume you are doing all of your power checks with the negative lead of your meter on the battery ground? If you have battery voltage going into the instrument, and the same voltage coming out on the ground (with the neg meter still on the (-) battery terminal, the open is on the ground, return side. The meter reads battery voltage when bridging the open section of the circuit. This is why I like to troubleshoot DC with a test light. But let me read the rest of the posts. I'l still make a dumb comment then... tavares0947 at gmail.com On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Well I finally got a chance to do some electrical investigating using > Roger's much appreciated strategy but have come up short. The battery, > which is new and fully charged reads 12.63 volts on its own without the > main > switch engaged. I get virtually the same reading with the system switched > on > and the same again for the leads where they enter the display unit. I > checked the line out from the display and it is the same. So I seem to have > full power going to the display. > > The fact that all of the readings are either missing entirely or steadily > rising makes me think it might be a faulty unit. If anyone can think of > anything else I might check I would appreciate the suggestion. I really > don't want to have to buy or install a new unit. > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:15 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Hi Graham, > > Just because the display comes on does not necessarily mean you have no > power issues. The LCD display will operate on low voltage and requires > very > little current. The fact that your unit operated for 20+ years without a > "sea ground" means it was operating with ground defined as the battery's > (-) > terminal. So, here are some things to check: > > > 1. Check the voltage at the battery terminals. If the battery is 100% > charged and all circuits are turned off, the voltage should be ~13 VDC. If > the voltage is <=12.5 VDC; then disconnect the (+) & (-) terminals and > measure again. If the voltage is still low, try charging the battery. If > the battery won't accept a charge; then, it needs to be replaced. > 2. If the battery voltage is ~13 VDC, turn on the instrument circuit. > Again, check the voltage at the battery. If the voltage drops; then you > have a short circuit in the instrument wiring, the instrument itself, or a > bad battery. > 3. Now, check the voltage at the instrument. It should be nearly the > same as at the battery. You can check your B&G Owner's manual for the > minimum power supply voltage. On my Raymarine Autohelm ST50 instruments, > the specified voltage range is 11.0 VDC <= [Supply Voltage] < 16.0 VDC. I > have found the ST50 instruments will keep operating long after all the > other > electronics have shut down due to low battery voltage. But, your B&G > system > might be more finicky about proper power. > 4. If the voltage at the instrument is too low; then, try disconnecting > the power from the instrument and then measure the voltage on the wires. > It > should be the same as at the battery. If you have proper voltage in the > disconnected wires and low voltage when you connect them; then, you have > isolated the problem to the B&G instrument itself. Good luck getting > service on a 20+ year old instrument! > > If I were a gambling man, I would place my bet on a bad battery. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 8:49 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some of > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > desperate attempt to get help. > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without fail. > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > but > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and temperature > show erratic numbers. > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > display > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that both > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The wiring > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. Nevertheless > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > on > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be most > grateful. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > > From mike at traildesign.com Thu Jul 16 14:29:18 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 13:29:18 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <002c01d65b16$94c42920$be4c7b60$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, I keep coming back to a corroded connection as the most likely culprit. It's entirely possible to have the correct voltage going to everything but not the right amperage. Sensors like this run on milliamps are very sensitive to fluctuations. A corroded connection will still let the proper voltage through, but not necessarily the correct amperage. Any chance you've tried running a jumper wire from the sensor to the instrument panel? Doing this would help with the process of elimination and maybe let you figure out whether the problem is voltage, amperage, a bad connection or a bad sensor. Michael Riter SV Emma B On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:12 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Graham, > I'm running out of suggestions. I'd visibly check all the wiring between > the display and the sending unit but after that, perhaps the unit is > faulty. Good thing is you don't need it to sail! - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Todd Tavares > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:19 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > I haven't read all the posts. I assume you are doing all of your power > checks with the negative lead of your meter on the battery ground? If you > have battery voltage going into the instrument, and the same voltage coming > out on the ground (with the neg meter still on the (-) battery terminal, > the open is on the ground, return side. The meter reads battery voltage > when bridging the open section of the circuit. This is why I like to > troubleshoot DC with a test light. > But let me read the rest of the posts. I'l still make a dumb comment > then... > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > > > Well I finally got a chance to do some electrical investigating using > > Roger's much appreciated strategy but have come up short. The battery, > > which is new and fully charged reads 12.63 volts on its own without the > > main > > switch engaged. I get virtually the same reading with the system switched > > on > > and the same again for the leads where they enter the display unit. I > > checked the line out from the display and it is the same. So I seem to > have > > full power going to the display. > > > > The fact that all of the readings are either missing entirely or steadily > > rising makes me think it might be a faulty unit. If anyone can think of > > anything else I might check I would appreciate the suggestion. I really > > don't want to have to buy or install a new unit. > > > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:15 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > Just because the display comes on does not necessarily mean you have no > > power issues. The LCD display will operate on low voltage and requires > > very > > little current. The fact that your unit operated for 20+ years without a > > "sea ground" means it was operating with ground defined as the battery's > > (-) > > terminal. So, here are some things to check: > > > > > > 1. Check the voltage at the battery terminals. If the battery is 100% > > charged and all circuits are turned off, the voltage should be ~13 VDC. > If > > the voltage is <=12.5 VDC; then disconnect the (+) & (-) terminals and > > measure again. If the voltage is still low, try charging the battery. > If > > the battery won't accept a charge; then, it needs to be replaced. > > 2. If the battery voltage is ~13 VDC, turn on the instrument circuit. > > Again, check the voltage at the battery. If the voltage drops; then you > > have a short circuit in the instrument wiring, the instrument itself, or > a > > bad battery. > > 3. Now, check the voltage at the instrument. It should be nearly the > > same as at the battery. You can check your B&G Owner's manual for the > > minimum power supply voltage. On my Raymarine Autohelm ST50 instruments, > > the specified voltage range is 11.0 VDC <= [Supply Voltage] < 16.0 VDC. > I > > have found the ST50 instruments will keep operating long after all the > > other > > electronics have shut down due to low battery voltage. But, your B&G > > system > > might be more finicky about proper power. > > 4. If the voltage at the instrument is too low; then, try > disconnecting > > the power from the instrument and then measure the voltage on the wires. > > It > > should be the same as at the battery. If you have proper voltage in the > > disconnected wires and low voltage when you connect them; then, you have > > isolated the problem to the B&G instrument itself. Good luck getting > > service on a 20+ year old instrument! > > > > If I were a gambling man, I would place my bet on a bad battery. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > 10 > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 8:49 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some > of > > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > > desperate attempt to get help. > > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without > fail. > > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > > but > > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and > temperature > > show erratic numbers. > > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > > display > > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that > both > > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The > wiring > > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. > Nevertheless > > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > > on > > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be > most > > grateful. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Jul 16 15:58:15 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 15:58:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <002c01d65b16$94c42920$be4c7b60$@ca> Message-ID: <004e01d65bab$7423d950$5c6b8bf0$@ca> Mike: Thanks for the advice. I want to make sure I understand what you are saying. The wires coming out of the transducers (sensors) are sealed. Similarly the wires going into the display (instrument panel?) are sealed as well although there is a 5 pin plug. I measured the voltage at this plug. I don't see how I could connect a direct link between the transducers and the display.There is one connection point halfway between the transducers/main panel and the display which I have inspected and appears ok. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mike Riter Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:29 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Graham, I keep coming back to a corroded connection as the most likely culprit. It's entirely possible to have the correct voltage going to everything but not the right amperage. Sensors like this run on milliamps are very sensitive to fluctuations. A corroded connection will still let the proper voltage through, but not necessarily the correct amperage. Any chance you've tried running a jumper wire from the sensor to the instrument panel? Doing this would help with the process of elimination and maybe let you figure out whether the problem is voltage, amperage, a bad connection or a bad sensor. Michael Riter SV Emma B On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:12 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Graham, > I'm running out of suggestions. I'd visibly check all the wiring between > the display and the sending unit but after that, perhaps the unit is > faulty. Good thing is you don't need it to sail! - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Todd Tavares > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:19 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > I haven't read all the posts. I assume you are doing all of your power > checks with the negative lead of your meter on the battery ground? If you > have battery voltage going into the instrument, and the same voltage coming > out on the ground (with the neg meter still on the (-) battery terminal, > the open is on the ground, return side. The meter reads battery voltage > when bridging the open section of the circuit. This is why I like to > troubleshoot DC with a test light. > But let me read the rest of the posts. I'l still make a dumb comment > then... > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > > > Well I finally got a chance to do some electrical investigating using > > Roger's much appreciated strategy but have come up short. The battery, > > which is new and fully charged reads 12.63 volts on its own without the > > main > > switch engaged. I get virtually the same reading with the system switched > > on > > and the same again for the leads where they enter the display unit. I > > checked the line out from the display and it is the same. So I seem to > have > > full power going to the display. > > > > The fact that all of the readings are either missing entirely or steadily > > rising makes me think it might be a faulty unit. If anyone can think of > > anything else I might check I would appreciate the suggestion. I really > > don't want to have to buy or install a new unit. > > > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:15 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > Just because the display comes on does not necessarily mean you have no > > power issues. The LCD display will operate on low voltage and requires > > very > > little current. The fact that your unit operated for 20+ years without a > > "sea ground" means it was operating with ground defined as the battery's > > (-) > > terminal. So, here are some things to check: > > > > > > 1. Check the voltage at the battery terminals. If the battery is 100% > > charged and all circuits are turned off, the voltage should be ~13 VDC. > If > > the voltage is <=12.5 VDC; then disconnect the (+) & (-) terminals and > > measure again. If the voltage is still low, try charging the battery. > If > > the battery won't accept a charge; then, it needs to be replaced. > > 2. If the battery voltage is ~13 VDC, turn on the instrument circuit. > > Again, check the voltage at the battery. If the voltage drops; then you > > have a short circuit in the instrument wiring, the instrument itself, or > a > > bad battery. > > 3. Now, check the voltage at the instrument. It should be nearly the > > same as at the battery. You can check your B&G Owner's manual for the > > minimum power supply voltage. On my Raymarine Autohelm ST50 instruments, > > the specified voltage range is 11.0 VDC <= [Supply Voltage] < 16.0 VDC. > I > > have found the ST50 instruments will keep operating long after all the > > other > > electronics have shut down due to low battery voltage. But, your B&G > > system > > might be more finicky about proper power. > > 4. If the voltage at the instrument is too low; then, try > disconnecting > > the power from the instrument and then measure the voltage on the wires. > > It > > should be the same as at the battery. If you have proper voltage in the > > disconnected wires and low voltage when you connect them; then, you have > > isolated the problem to the B&G instrument itself. Good luck getting > > service on a 20+ year old instrument! > > > > If I were a gambling man, I would place my bet on a bad battery. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > 10 > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 8:49 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to some > of > > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > > desperate attempt to get help. > > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water temp) > > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without > fail. > > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first day > > but > > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and > temperature > > show erratic numbers. > > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning the > > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > > display > > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that > both > > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The > wiring > > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to the > > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. > Nevertheless > > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no difference. > > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at the > > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if anyone > > on > > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be > most > > grateful. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 17:26:21 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 17:26:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: <004e01d65bab$7423d950$5c6b8bf0$@ca> References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <002c01d65b16$94c42920$be4c7b60$@ca> <004e01d65bab$7423d950$5c6b8bf0$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, have you sprayed both the plugs and instrument sockets with an electronic cleaner? I keep some in the shop for the lawn tractor, autos and the different trailers. If so there may be pin connection problems. Either in the plug or the instrument connection side. It may not be physically visible. This sort of problem brings out the salty language in the best of us. Not to depress you, but on U.S. Navy Aircraft two crews (different shifts) with a total of 80 years experience, sometimes could spend 2-3 days on such aggravating problems. We usually wanted to kick ourselves when the problem was finally solved. Even things like condensation from temp. changes. Best of luck on this one. Yea, never turn your back on Luck. Cary Tolbert Whisper '86 On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:58 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Mike: Thanks for the advice. I want to make sure I understand what you > are saying. The wires coming out of the transducers (sensors) are sealed. > Similarly the wires going into the display (instrument panel?) are sealed > as well although there is a 5 pin plug. I measured the voltage at this > plug. I don't see how I could connect a direct link between the transducers > and the display.There is one connection point halfway between the > transducers/main panel and the display which I have inspected and appears > ok. > > Graham Stewart > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Mike Riter > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Graham, I keep coming back to a corroded connection as the most likely > culprit. It's entirely possible to have the correct voltage going to > everything but not the right amperage. Sensors like this run on milliamps > are very sensitive to fluctuations. A corroded connection will still let > the proper voltage through, but not necessarily the correct amperage. Any > chance you've tried running a jumper wire from the sensor to the instrument > panel? Doing this would help with the process of elimination and maybe let > you figure out whether the problem is voltage, amperage, a bad connection > or a bad sensor. > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:12 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > Graham, > > I'm running out of suggestions. I'd visibly check all the wiring between > > the display and the sending unit but after that, perhaps the unit is > > faulty. Good thing is you don't need it to sail! - rob > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > Todd Tavares > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:19 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > > > I haven't read all the posts. I assume you are doing all of your power > > checks with the negative lead of your meter on the battery ground? If you > > have battery voltage going into the instrument, and the same voltage > coming > > out on the ground (with the neg meter still on the (-) battery terminal, > > the open is on the ground, return side. The meter reads battery voltage > > when bridging the open section of the circuit. This is why I like to > > troubleshoot DC with a test light. > > But let me read the rest of the posts. I'l still make a dumb comment > > then... > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 PM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > > > Well I finally got a chance to do some electrical investigating using > > > Roger's much appreciated strategy but have come up short. The battery, > > > which is new and fully charged reads 12.63 volts on its own without the > > > main > > > switch engaged. I get virtually the same reading with the system > switched > > > on > > > and the same again for the leads where they enter the display unit. I > > > checked the line out from the display and it is the same. So I seem to > > have > > > full power going to the display. > > > > > > The fact that all of the readings are either missing entirely or > steadily > > > rising makes me think it might be a faulty unit. If anyone can think of > > > anything else I might check I would appreciate the suggestion. I really > > > don't want to have to buy or install a new unit. > > > > > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:15 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > > > Just because the display comes on does not necessarily mean you have no > > > power issues. The LCD display will operate on low voltage and requires > > > very > > > little current. The fact that your unit operated for 20+ years > without a > > > "sea ground" means it was operating with ground defined as the > battery's > > > (-) > > > terminal. So, here are some things to check: > > > > > > > > > 1. Check the voltage at the battery terminals. If the battery is > 100% > > > charged and all circuits are turned off, the voltage should be ~13 VDC. > > If > > > the voltage is <=12.5 VDC; then disconnect the (+) & (-) terminals and > > > measure again. If the voltage is still low, try charging the battery. > > If > > > the battery won't accept a charge; then, it needs to be replaced. > > > 2. If the battery voltage is ~13 VDC, turn on the instrument > circuit. > > > Again, check the voltage at the battery. If the voltage drops; then > you > > > have a short circuit in the instrument wiring, the instrument itself, > or > > a > > > bad battery. > > > 3. Now, check the voltage at the instrument. It should be nearly > the > > > same as at the battery. You can check your B&G Owner's manual for the > > > minimum power supply voltage. On my Raymarine Autohelm ST50 > instruments, > > > the specified voltage range is 11.0 VDC <= [Supply Voltage] < 16.0 VDC. > > I > > > have found the ST50 instruments will keep operating long after all the > > > other > > > electronics have shut down due to low battery voltage. But, your B&G > > > system > > > might be more finicky about proper power. > > > 4. If the voltage at the instrument is too low; then, try > > disconnecting > > > the power from the instrument and then measure the voltage on the > wires. > > > It > > > should be the same as at the battery. If you have proper voltage in > the > > > disconnected wires and low voltage when you connect them; then, you > have > > > isolated the problem to the B&G instrument itself. Good luck getting > > > service on a 20+ year old instrument! > > > > > > If I were a gambling man, I would place my bet on a bad battery. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows > > > 10 > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 8:49 PM > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > > > > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to > some > > of > > > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > > > desperate attempt to get help. > > > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water > temp) > > > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without > > fail. > > > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first > day > > > but > > > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and > > temperature > > > show erratic numbers. > > > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning > the > > > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > > > display > > > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that > > both > > > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The > > wiring > > > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to > the > > > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. > > Nevertheless > > > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no > difference. > > > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at > the > > > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if > anyone > > > on > > > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be > > most > > > grateful. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Jul 16 21:43:03 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 21:43:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems In-Reply-To: References: <1592216334025-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1592224697176-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1593983024743-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <030701d653f8$7817d170$68477450$@ca> <002c01d65b16$94c42920$be4c7b60$@ca> <004e01d65bab$7423d950$5c6b8bf0$@ca> Message-ID: <000401d65bdb$9e930910$dbb91b30$@ca> Cary: Thanks for the suggestion and words of encouragement. I can't help but feel that the problem is really a simple one that is eluding me. I'll try the electronic cleaner. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 5:26 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems Graham, have you sprayed both the plugs and instrument sockets with an electronic cleaner? I keep some in the shop for the lawn tractor, autos and the different trailers. If so there may be pin connection problems. Either in the plug or the instrument connection side. It may not be physically visible. This sort of problem brings out the salty language in the best of us. Not to depress you, but on U.S. Navy Aircraft two crews (different shifts) with a total of 80 years experience, sometimes could spend 2-3 days on such aggravating problems. We usually wanted to kick ourselves when the problem was finally solved. Even things like condensation from temp. changes. Best of luck on this one. Yea, never turn your back on Luck. Cary Tolbert Whisper '86 On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 3:58 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > Mike: Thanks for the advice. I want to make sure I understand what you > are saying. The wires coming out of the transducers (sensors) are sealed. > Similarly the wires going into the display (instrument panel?) are sealed > as well although there is a 5 pin plug. I measured the voltage at this > plug. I don't see how I could connect a direct link between the transducers > and the display.There is one connection point halfway between the > transducers/main panel and the display which I have inspected and appears > ok. > > Graham Stewart > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Mike Riter > Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 2:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > Graham, I keep coming back to a corroded connection as the most likely > culprit. It's entirely possible to have the correct voltage going to > everything but not the right amperage. Sensors like this run on milliamps > are very sensitive to fluctuations. A corroded connection will still let > the proper voltage through, but not necessarily the correct amperage. Any > chance you've tried running a jumper wire from the sensor to the instrument > panel? Doing this would help with the process of elimination and maybe let > you figure out whether the problem is voltage, amperage, a bad connection > or a bad sensor. > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B > > > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:12 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > Graham, > > I'm running out of suggestions. I'd visibly check all the wiring between > > the display and the sending unit but after that, perhaps the unit is > > faulty. Good thing is you don't need it to sail! - rob > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > Todd Tavares > > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2020 11:19 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > > > I haven't read all the posts. I assume you are doing all of your power > > checks with the negative lead of your meter on the battery ground? If you > > have battery voltage going into the instrument, and the same voltage > coming > > out on the ground (with the neg meter still on the (-) battery terminal, > > the open is on the ground, return side. The meter reads battery voltage > > when bridging the open section of the circuit. This is why I like to > > troubleshoot DC with a test light. > > But let me read the rest of the posts. I'l still make a dumb comment > > then... > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > > > On Wed, Jul 15, 2020, 10:12 PM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > > > Well I finally got a chance to do some electrical investigating using > > > Roger's much appreciated strategy but have come up short. The battery, > > > which is new and fully charged reads 12.63 volts on its own without the > > > main > > > switch engaged. I get virtually the same reading with the system > switched > > > on > > > and the same again for the leads where they enter the display unit. I > > > checked the line out from the display and it is the same. So I seem to > > have > > > full power going to the display. > > > > > > The fact that all of the readings are either missing entirely or > steadily > > > rising makes me think it might be a faulty unit. If anyone can think of > > > anything else I might check I would appreciate the suggestion. I really > > > don't want to have to buy or install a new unit. > > > > > > Thanks to all for their suggestions. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > > Of > > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 9:15 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > > > > > Hi Graham, > > > > > > Just because the display comes on does not necessarily mean you have no > > > power issues. The LCD display will operate on low voltage and requires > > > very > > > little current. The fact that your unit operated for 20+ years > without a > > > "sea ground" means it was operating with ground defined as the > battery's > > > (-) > > > terminal. So, here are some things to check: > > > > > > > > > 1. Check the voltage at the battery terminals. If the battery is > 100% > > > charged and all circuits are turned off, the voltage should be ~13 VDC. > > If > > > the voltage is <=12.5 VDC; then disconnect the (+) & (-) terminals and > > > measure again. If the voltage is still low, try charging the battery. > > If > > > the battery won't accept a charge; then, it needs to be replaced. > > > 2. If the battery voltage is ~13 VDC, turn on the instrument > circuit. > > > Again, check the voltage at the battery. If the voltage drops; then > you > > > have a short circuit in the instrument wiring, the instrument itself, > or > > a > > > bad battery. > > > 3. Now, check the voltage at the instrument. It should be nearly > the > > > same as at the battery. You can check your B&G Owner's manual for the > > > minimum power supply voltage. On my Raymarine Autohelm ST50 > instruments, > > > the specified voltage range is 11.0 VDC <= [Supply Voltage] < 16.0 VDC. > > I > > > have found the ST50 instruments will keep operating long after all the > > > other > > > electronics have shut down due to low battery voltage. But, your B&G > > > system > > > might be more finicky about proper power. > > > 4. If the voltage at the instrument is too low; then, try > > disconnecting > > > the power from the instrument and then measure the voltage on the > wires. > > > It > > > should be the same as at the battery. If you have proper voltage in > the > > > disconnected wires and low voltage when you connect them; then, you > have > > > isolated the problem to the B&G instrument itself. Good luck getting > > > service on a 20+ year old instrument! > > > > > > If I were a gambling man, I would place my bet on a bad battery. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows > > > 10 > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 8:49 PM > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Network Quad problems > > > > > > I have always been surprised at the answers that are posted here to > some > > of > > > the most difficult questions so I am posting this question as a last > > > desperate attempt to get help. > > > I have been using my B&G Network Quad (speed knots, depth and water > temp) > > > instrument for probably more than 20 years and it has worked without > > fail. > > > This year when I launched the boat it worked perfectly for the first > day > > > but > > > thereafter the speed reads 0.00 continuously and the depth and > > temperature > > > show erratic numbers. > > > I checked the paddlewheel for obstructions and it was fine. Spinning > the > > > wheel manually makes no difference to the display. The fact that the > > > display > > > comes on tells me that power is not a problem. It seems unlikely that > > both > > > the speed and the depth transducers would fail at the same time. The > > wiring > > > hasn't changed. The common element in the wiring is the connection to > the > > > "sea ground" which I don't have but has never been a problem. > > Nevertheless > > > I connected the ground to a brass thru hull and that made no > difference. > > > I can't help feel that some tweak would fix the unit but I am now at > the > > > point where I am completely stuck with no idea what to try. So, if > anyone > > > on > > > da list has a clue what I might do to diagnose the problem I would be > > most > > > grateful. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Jul 16 22:51:30 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:51:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been playing around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer programmer, wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents at all. What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and will take some work to convert to a new format. For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the base CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on January 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is here: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ Enjoy, Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 23:02:39 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:02:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Wow, nice work Peter. Thanks. On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 at 22:52, Peter Nyberg wrote: > No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been playing > around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new > Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. > > Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer programmer, > wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website > developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. > But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of > the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have > done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. > > Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. > > I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely > new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the > email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents at > all. > > What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve > renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and will > take some work to convert to a new format. > > For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get > to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, > the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the base > CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. > > The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on January > 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. > I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is > here: > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff > > > > Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, > and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> > > Enjoy, > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Jul 16 23:19:05 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2020 23:19:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <000501d65be9$08a29a70$19e7cf50$@ca> Nice job Peter. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:52 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been playing around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer programmer, wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents at all. What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and will take some work to convert to a new format. For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the base CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on January 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is here: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ Enjoy, Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 08:05:49 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 07:05:49 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Looks good Peter! The photo on the main page represents the R22 well. Thanks for taking the initiative on this. As you mentioned, the reference pages and photo gallery have content worth keeping. On the Email List page, I see that there is a way to access the archives. I had been using the search feature on Nabble instead. Perhaps it is worth linking to http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ as well so people can search and don't have to comb through the archives manually. However, you would probably want to make a disclaimer about the preferred method to post via email so that the attachments are kept with the email list rather than Nabble. Under the document library, perhaps we could post additional checklists such as updated versions of mast raising and mast lowering checklists. My versions of those checklists (started by copying from others) have evolved a bit with practice at the process. When first becoming a sailboat owner, mast raising/lowering can be a bit intimidating. I'm so glad my boat came with the GB mast raising system. Thanks for your work on the website! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:52 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been playing > around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new > Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. > > Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer programmer, > wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website > developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. > But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of > the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have > done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. > > Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. > > I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely > new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the > email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents at > all. > > What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve > renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and will > take some work to convert to a new format. > > For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get > to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, > the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the base > CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. > > The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on January > 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. > I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is > here: > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff > > > > Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, > and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> > > Enjoy, > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Jul 17 10:08:35 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 09:08:35 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something that there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is where Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to update nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of all the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have no SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is free and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. Thank you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - really most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? Happy Friday all - Tom On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:06 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Looks good Peter! The photo on the main page represents the R22 well. > Thanks for taking the initiative on this. As you mentioned, the reference > pages and photo gallery have content worth keeping. > > On the Email List page, I see that there is a way to access the archives. > I had been using the search feature on Nabble instead. Perhaps it is worth > linking to http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ as well so people can > search and don't have to comb through the archives manually. However, you > would probably want to make a disclaimer about the preferred method to post > via email so that the attachments are kept with the email list rather than > Nabble. > > Under the document library, perhaps we could post additional checklists > such as updated versions of mast raising and mast lowering checklists. My > versions of those checklists (started by copying from others) have evolved > a bit with practice at the process. When first becoming a sailboat owner, > mast raising/lowering can be a bit intimidating. I'm so glad my boat came > with the GB mast raising system. > > Thanks for your work on the website! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:52 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been > playing > > around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new > > Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. > > > > Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer > programmer, > > wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website > > developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. > > But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of > > the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have > > done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. > > > > Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. > > > > I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely > > new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the > > email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents > at > > all. > > > > What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve > > renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and > will > > take some work to convert to a new format. > > > > For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get > > to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, > > the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the > base > > CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. > > > > The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on > January > > 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. > > I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is > > here: > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff > > > > > > > Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, > > and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < > > http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> > > > > Enjoy, > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Fri Jul 17 10:57:44 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:57:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Nabble is an independent outfit I don't believe we have any control over it. Peter, this looks good. I haven't looked all the way through but hope the FAQ (which was archival material rescued from an earlier website) is fully represented. BTW I think the current webpage was renovated by a teenager some 15 years ago. I don't really remember all the details and of course haven't been paying close attention here as we no longer have the boat. Glad to see the initiative though. Mary Lou On 7/17/2020 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something that > there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is where > Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to update > nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of all > the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have no > SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is free > and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. > > Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. Thank > you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) > > aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps > there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - really > most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? > > Happy Friday all - > Tom > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:06 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Looks good Peter! The photo on the main page represents the R22 well. >> Thanks for taking the initiative on this. As you mentioned, the reference >> pages and photo gallery have content worth keeping. >> >> On the Email List page, I see that there is a way to access the archives. >> I had been using the search feature on Nabble instead. Perhaps it is worth >> linking to http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ as well so people can >> search and don't have to comb through the archives manually. However, you >> would probably want to make a disclaimer about the preferred method to post >> via email so that the attachments are kept with the email list rather than >> Nabble. >> >> Under the document library, perhaps we could post additional checklists >> such as updated versions of mast raising and mast lowering checklists. My >> versions of those checklists (started by copying from others) have evolved >> a bit with practice at the process. When first becoming a sailboat owner, >> mast raising/lowering can be a bit intimidating. I'm so glad my boat came >> with the GB mast raising system. >> >> Thanks for your work on the website! >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:52 PM Peter Nyberg >> wrote: >> >>> No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been >> playing >>> around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new >>> Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. >>> >>> Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer >> programmer, >>> wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website >>> developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. >>> But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of >>> the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have >>> done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. >>> >>> Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. >>> >>> I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely >>> new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the >>> email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents >> at >>> all. >>> >>> What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve >>> renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and >> will >>> take some work to convert to a new format. >>> >>> For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get >>> to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, >>> the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the >> base >>> CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. >>> >>> The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on >> January >>> 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. >>> I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is >>> here: >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff >>> < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff >>> Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, >>> and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < >>> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> >>> >>> Enjoy, >>> >>> Peter Nyberg >>> Coventry, CT >>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 11:07:46 2020 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:07:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Nablle is now open source. So, I should be able to get it running on my servers and figure out how everything work. Then, I think that I should be able to move the data to the new server to export it to something else, or write code to extract data and use it in a new web site. Nabble is written in Java, and I?m familiar with it. I?ll download the software and install it on my servers. I?ll let everyone know how it goes. Luis A. Guzm?n II S/V Aquetxali > On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > Nabble is an independent outfit I don't believe we have any control over it. > > Peter, this looks good. I haven't looked all the way through but hope the FAQ (which was archival material rescued from an earlier website) is fully represented. > > BTW I think the current webpage was renovated by a teenager some 15 years ago. I don't really remember all the details and of course haven't been paying close attention here as we no longer have the boat. > > Glad to see the initiative though. > > Mary Lou > > On 7/17/2020 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something that >> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is where >> Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to update >> nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of all >> the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have no >> SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is free >> and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. >> >> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. Thank >> you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) >> >> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps >> there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - really >> most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? >> >> Happy Friday all - >> Tom >> >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:06 AM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Looks good Peter! The photo on the main page represents the R22 well. >>> Thanks for taking the initiative on this. As you mentioned, the reference >>> pages and photo gallery have content worth keeping. >>> >>> On the Email List page, I see that there is a way to access the archives. >>> I had been using the search feature on Nabble instead. Perhaps it is worth >>> linking to http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ as well so people can >>> search and don't have to comb through the archives manually. However, you >>> would probably want to make a disclaimer about the preferred method to post >>> via email so that the attachments are kept with the email list rather than >>> Nabble. >>> >>> Under the document library, perhaps we could post additional checklists >>> such as updated versions of mast raising and mast lowering checklists. My >>> versions of those checklists (started by copying from others) have evolved >>> a bit with practice at the process. When first becoming a sailboat owner, >>> mast raising/lowering can be a bit intimidating. I'm so glad my boat came >>> with the GB mast raising system. >>> >>> Thanks for your work on the website! >>> >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:52 PM Peter Nyberg >>> wrote: >>> >>>> No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been >>> playing >>>> around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new >>>> Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. >>>> >>>> Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer >>> programmer, >>>> wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website >>>> developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. >>>> But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of >>>> the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have >>>> done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. >>>> >>>> Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. >>>> >>>> I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely >>>> new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the >>>> email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents >>> at >>>> all. >>>> >>>> What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve >>>> renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and >>> will >>>> take some work to convert to a new format. >>>> >>>> For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get >>>> to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, >>>> the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the >>> base >>>> CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. >>>> >>>> The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on >>> January >>>> 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. >>>> I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is >>>> here: >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff >>>> < >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff >>>> Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, >>>> and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < >>>> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> >>>> >>>> Enjoy, >>>> >>>> Peter Nyberg >>>> Coventry, CT >>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus From rlowe at vt.edu Fri Jul 17 11:15:24 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:15:24 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com>, <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, Looking good. Thanks for taking a whack at this. I see you set up a CSS style sheet. As far as the pages, are you just straight HTML coding or are you using a web page tool package. We are using Weebly for our clubs web site which allows for multiple people with no HTML experience to build and maintain it. And thanks for not using Wordpress! - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter Nyberg Sent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:51 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been playing around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer programmer, wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents at all. What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and will take some work to convert to a new format. For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the base CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on January 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is here: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ Enjoy, Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From ric at stottarchitecture.com Fri Jul 17 11:25:31 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:25:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Great strides! Thank you for the progress. Question: Is there way to add a ?Member? tab and include separate links to members and their boats, projects, photos, etc? Ric Dadventure HBNY Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > Nabble is an independent outfit I don't believe we have any control over it. > > Peter, this looks good. I haven't looked all the way through but hope the FAQ (which was archival material rescued from an earlier website) is fully represented. > > BTW I think the current webpage was renovated by a teenager some 15 years ago. I don't really remember all the details and of course haven't been paying close attention here as we no longer have the boat. > > Glad to see the initiative though. > > Mary Lou > > On 7/17/2020 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something that >> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is where >> Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to update >> nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of all >> the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have no >> SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is free >> and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. >> >> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. Thank >> you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) >> >> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps >> there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - really >> most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? >> >> Happy Friday all - >> Tom >> >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:06 AM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Looks good Peter! The photo on the main page represents the R22 well. >>> Thanks for taking the initiative on this. As you mentioned, the reference >>> pages and photo gallery have content worth keeping. >>> >>> On the Email List page, I see that there is a way to access the archives. >>> I had been using the search feature on Nabble instead. Perhaps it is worth >>> linking to http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ as well so people can >>> search and don't have to comb through the archives manually. However, you >>> would probably want to make a disclaimer about the preferred method to post >>> via email so that the attachments are kept with the email list rather than >>> Nabble. >>> >>> Under the document library, perhaps we could post additional checklists >>> such as updated versions of mast raising and mast lowering checklists. My >>> versions of those checklists (started by copying from others) have evolved >>> a bit with practice at the process. When first becoming a sailboat owner, >>> mast raising/lowering can be a bit intimidating. I'm so glad my boat came >>> with the GB mast raising system. >>> >>> Thanks for your work on the website! >>> >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:52 PM Peter Nyberg >>> wrote: >>> >>>> No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been >>> playing >>>> around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new >>>> Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. >>>> >>>> Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer >>> programmer, >>>> wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website >>>> developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. >>>> But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of >>>> the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have >>>> done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. >>>> >>>> Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. >>>> >>>> I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely >>>> new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the >>>> email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents >>> at >>>> all. >>>> >>>> What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve >>>> renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and >>> will >>>> take some work to convert to a new format. >>>> >>>> For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get >>>> to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, >>>> the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the >>> base >>>> CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. >>>> >>>> The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on >>> January >>>> 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. >>>> I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is >>>> here: >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff >>>> < >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff >>>> Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, >>>> and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < >>>> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> >>>> >>>> Enjoy, >>>> >>>> Peter Nyberg >>>> Coventry, CT >>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 11:40:57 2020 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (luis.guzman.ve) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 11:40:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: <6680vh2ma5n778pt5p0800il.1594980319962@email.android.com> Message-ID: <5f11c68e.1c69fb81.865b6.45ae@mx.google.com> Peter,I like your concept. If you do not mind, I could use it as template for a site using PHP.Luis GuzmanS/V AquetxaliSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Graham Stewart Date: 7/16/20 11:19 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? Nice job Peter.Graham StewartAgile, Rodes 22, 1976Kingston Ontario-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter NybergSent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:52 PMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email ListSubject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website?No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been playing around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like.? Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer programmer, wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website developer.? So, this is really an amateur effort at website development.? But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of the trade or professional shortcuts.? It is my hope that the work I have done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals.Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion.I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely new text for the home page.? I?ve also lightly edited the page with the email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents at all.What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve renamed ?Reference Pages?.? I think this information is valuable, and will take some work to convert to a new format.For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? .? On the home page, the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the base CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously.The lovely image on the home page came from Stan.? He posted it on January 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree.? I?ve cropped and resized it some.? The original (from Stan?s post) is here:? http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff Oh, I?ve almost forgotten?? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ Enjoy,Peter NybergCoventry, CTs/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 11:40:52 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:40:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Luis, that sounds promising. The ability to search through email archives is very helpful. I also find the views (classic, list, threaded) provided by Nabble to be helpful. Thanks for investigating! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 10:07 AM Luis Guzman wrote: > Nablle is now open source. So, I should be able to get it running on my > servers and figure out how everything work. Then, I think that I should be > able to move the data to the new server to export it to something else, or > write code to extract data and use it in a new web site. Nabble is written > in Java, and I?m familiar with it. > > I?ll download the software and install it on my servers. I?ll let everyone > know how it goes. > > > Luis A. Guzm?n II > > > S/V Aquetxali > > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Mary Lou Troy > wrote: > > > > Nabble is an independent outfit I don't believe we have any control over > it. > > > > Peter, this looks good. I haven't looked all the way through but hope > the FAQ (which was archival material rescued from an earlier website) is > fully represented. > > > > BTW I think the current webpage was renovated by a teenager some 15 > years ago. I don't really remember all the details and of course haven't > been paying close attention here as we no longer have the boat. > > > > Glad to see the initiative though. > > > > Mary Lou > > > > On 7/17/2020 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > >> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something > that > >> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is > where > >> Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to > update > >> nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of > all > >> the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have no > >> SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is > free > >> and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. > >> > >> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. Thank > >> you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) > >> > >> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps > >> there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - > really > >> most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? > >> > >> Happy Friday all - > >> Tom > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:06 AM Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Looks good Peter! The photo on the main page represents the R22 well. > >>> Thanks for taking the initiative on this. As you mentioned, the > reference > >>> pages and photo gallery have content worth keeping. > >>> > >>> On the Email List page, I see that there is a way to access the > archives. > >>> I had been using the search feature on Nabble instead. Perhaps it is > worth > >>> linking to http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ as well so people > can > >>> search and don't have to comb through the archives manually. However, > you > >>> would probably want to make a disclaimer about the preferred method to > post > >>> via email so that the attachments are kept with the email list rather > than > >>> Nabble. > >>> > >>> Under the document library, perhaps we could post additional checklists > >>> such as updated versions of mast raising and mast lowering > checklists. My > >>> versions of those checklists (started by copying from others) have > evolved > >>> a bit with practice at the process. When first becoming a sailboat > owner, > >>> mast raising/lowering can be a bit intimidating. I'm so glad my boat > came > >>> with the GB mast raising system. > >>> > >>> Thanks for your work on the website! > >>> > >>> Jesse Shumaker > >>> S/V Zephyr > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:52 PM Peter Nyberg > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been > >>> playing > >>>> around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a > new > >>>> Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. > >>>> > >>>> Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer > >>> programmer, > >>>> wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a > website > >>>> developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website > development. > >>>> But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks > of > >>>> the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I > have > >>>> done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. > >>>> > >>>> Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. > >>>> > >>>> I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created > entirely > >>>> new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with > the > >>>> email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the > contents > >>> at > >>>> all. > >>>> > >>>> What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), > I?ve > >>>> renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and > >>> will > >>>> take some work to convert to a new format. > >>>> > >>>> For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to > get > >>>> to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home > page, > >>>> the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the > >>> base > >>>> CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. > >>>> > >>>> The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on > >>> January > >>>> 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I > agree. > >>>> I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is > >>>> here: > >>>> > >>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff > >>>> < > >>>> > >>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff > >>>> Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal > domain, > >>>> and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ > < > >>>> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> > >>>> > >>>> Enjoy, > >>>> > >>>> Peter Nyberg > >>>> Coventry, CT > >>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Jul 17 16:08:20 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:08:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <0335CCC4-06BC-4C6B-8FCC-322A3CF6AC12@sunnybeeches.com> Having something like the Nabble archive search engine embedded in our own website would be pretty slick. I?ve always assumed that Nabble must structure their archive in a way that facilitates the searching, but that?s just guesswork on my part. ?Peter > On Jul 17, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Luis Guzman wrote: > > Nablle is now open source. So, I should be able to get it running on my servers and figure out how everything work. Then, I think that I should be able to move the data to the new server to export it to something else, or write code to extract data and use it in a new web site. Nabble is written in Java, and I?m familiar with it. > > I?ll download the software and install it on my servers. I?ll let everyone know how it goes. > > > Luis A. Guzm?n II > > > S/V Aquetxali > > >> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: >> >> Nabble is an independent outfit I don't believe we have any control over it. >> >> Peter, this looks good. I haven't looked all the way through but hope the FAQ (which was archival material rescued from an earlier website) is fully represented. >> >> BTW I think the current webpage was renovated by a teenager some 15 years ago. I don't really remember all the details and of course haven't been paying close attention here as we no longer have the boat. >> >> Glad to see the initiative though. >> >> Mary Lou >> >> On 7/17/2020 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >>> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something that >>> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is where >>> Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to update >>> nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of all >>> the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have no >>> SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is free >>> and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. >>> >>> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. Thank >>> you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) >>> >>> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps >>> there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - really >>> most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? >>> >>> Happy Friday all - >>> Tom >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:06 AM Jesse Shumaker < >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Looks good Peter! The photo on the main page represents the R22 well. >>>> Thanks for taking the initiative on this. As you mentioned, the reference >>>> pages and photo gallery have content worth keeping. >>>> >>>> On the Email List page, I see that there is a way to access the archives. >>>> I had been using the search feature on Nabble instead. Perhaps it is worth >>>> linking to http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ as well so people can >>>> search and don't have to comb through the archives manually. However, you >>>> would probably want to make a disclaimer about the preferred method to post >>>> via email so that the attachments are kept with the email list rather than >>>> Nabble. >>>> >>>> Under the document library, perhaps we could post additional checklists >>>> such as updated versions of mast raising and mast lowering checklists. My >>>> versions of those checklists (started by copying from others) have evolved >>>> a bit with practice at the process. When first becoming a sailboat owner, >>>> mast raising/lowering can be a bit intimidating. I'm so glad my boat came >>>> with the GB mast raising system. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your work on the website! >>>> >>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>> S/V Zephyr >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:52 PM Peter Nyberg >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been >>>> playing >>>>> around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new >>>>> Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. >>>>> >>>>> Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer >>>> programmer, >>>>> wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website >>>>> developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. >>>>> But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of >>>>> the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have >>>>> done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. >>>>> >>>>> Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. >>>>> >>>>> I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely >>>>> new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the >>>>> email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents >>>> at >>>>> all. >>>>> >>>>> What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve >>>>> renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and >>>> will >>>>> take some work to convert to a new format. >>>>> >>>>> For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get >>>>> to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, >>>>> the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the >>>> base >>>>> CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. >>>>> >>>>> The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on >>>> January >>>>> 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. >>>>> I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is >>>>> here: >>>>> >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff >>>>> < >>>>> >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff >>>>> Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, >>>>> and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < >>>>> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy, >>>>> >>>>> Peter Nyberg >>>>> Coventry, CT >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Jul 17 16:20:11 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:20:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Rob, I meant to mention that aspect, but forgot. Everything I?ve done is hand-coded HTML and CSS. No web development software was used other than a text editor. As a developer, I think this approach gives me the best control over the end product. If the coding is done with some care, I think it also produces a website that?s easier to maintain than some other approaches. ?Peter > On Jul 17, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Peter, > Looking good. Thanks for taking a whack at this. I see you set up a CSS style sheet. As far as the pages, are you just straight HTML coding or are you using a web page tool package. We are using Weebly for our clubs web site which allows for multiple people with no HTML experience to build and maintain it. And thanks for not using Wordpress! - rob > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Jul 17 16:30:37 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:30:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: <5f11c68e.1c69fb81.865b6.45ae@mx.google.com> References: <5f11c68e.1c69fb81.865b6.45ae@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <561207A1-51CA-422A-B40E-04EFC9942783@sunnybeeches.com> Luis, I?m not sure what you have in mind, but I don?t mind in the least. I assume you can grab what you need from where I posted the website. If you do need anything from me, don?t hesitate to ask. ?Peter > On Jul 17, 2020, at 11:40 AM, luis.guzman.ve wrote: > > Peter,I like your concept. If you do not mind, I could use it as template for a site using PHP.Luis GuzmanS/V AquetxaliSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > -------- Original message --------From: Graham Stewart Date: 7/16/20 11:19 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? Nice job Peter.Graham StewartAgile, Rodes 22, 1976Kingston Ontario-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter NybergSent: Thursday, July 16, 2020 10:52 PMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email ListSubject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website?No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been playing around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer programmer, wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals.Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion.I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents at all.What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and will take some work to convert to a new format.For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the base CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously.The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on January 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is here: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ Enjoy,Peter NybergCoventry, CTs/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From rlowe at vt.edu Fri Jul 17 16:34:34 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:34:34 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> , Message-ID: Peter, I agree, hand-coded HTML gives you better control but does restrict those who can assist in building and maintaining it. Our office web site is HTML and PHP and drives the powers that be crazy. They want us to use the university CMS, which does not have the functionality that we need. But hey, you built it so we'll do it your way. I think we have enough developers here to offer you support if you need it. Thanks again for your efforts. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter Nyberg Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 4:20 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? Rob, I meant to mention that aspect, but forgot. Everything I?ve done is hand-coded HTML and CSS. No web development software was used other than a text editor. As a developer, I think this approach gives me the best control over the end product. If the coding is done with some care, I think it also produces a website that?s easier to maintain than some other approaches. ?Peter > On Jul 17, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Peter, > Looking good. Thanks for taking a whack at this. I see you set up a CSS style sheet. As far as the pages, are you just straight HTML coding or are you using a web page tool package. We are using Weebly for our clubs web site which allows for multiple people with no HTML experience to build and maintain it. And thanks for not using Wordpress! - rob > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 16:34:29 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 16:34:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, you seem to be a real Renaissance man. Cary Tolbert Whisper '86 On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 4:22 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Rob, > > I meant to mention that aspect, but forgot. Everything I?ve done is > hand-coded HTML and CSS. No web development software was used other than a > text editor. As a developer, I think this approach gives me the best > control over the end product. If the coding is done with some care, I > think it also produces a website that?s easier to maintain than some other > approaches. > > ?Peter > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > Peter, > > Looking good. Thanks for taking a whack at this. I see you set up a > CSS style sheet. As far as the pages, are you just straight HTML coding or > are you using a web page tool package. We are using Weebly for our clubs > web site which allows for multiple people with no HTML experience to build > and maintain it. And thanks for not using Wordpress! - rob > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 16:43:29 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 15:43:29 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] questions regarding anchoring system / process Message-ID: Peter, thanks for documenting the evolution of your anchoring setup and procedure. After doing some anchoring this summer both singlehanded and with crew, and trying some different approaches, I have plans to make some modifications to my boat in the off season to make anchoring a bit easier. There are some differences between your boat and mine, as well as some of the gear I plan to use but I like your overall concept. For others that may not have seen Peter's videos on this topic, the ones that I'm referring to are listed below. It's possible that I missed some of Peter's documentation on this topic that may be spread across some other videos. - discussion of an earlier evolution of the system starting around 3 minutes in on episode 77: https://youtu.be/j2ebeJZUslk - anchor rode bags to be stored in lazarette: episode 81: https://youtu.be/GheL7_fhpGo - overall anchoring system: episode 82: https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4 I had a few questions regarding your anchoring setup. Your insight and experience would help guide the design of my setup. - Have you found the tubular chain covering to work well in terms of protecting the deck? Does the covering appear to be durable? Does the chain covering track a lot of the bottom up onto the deck? - Does your rode storage in the lazarette / coaming work well in practice? Does the rode come out of the deck pipe easily and flake into the bag you made without issue? If needed, it seems like a roller could be added right in front of the deck pipe in order to act as a fairlead to position the rode at a better angle to go through the pipe - For the wood floor that you made in the lazarette (covered in episode #4: storage solutions: https://youtu.be/hXNDjEH-MYg), is that attached to the hull in any way or simply cut to fit and held by gravity and the gear on top of the floor? I'm thinking about making a floor to help support the bottom of the bag that will contain the rode that I plan to store in the lazarette like your setup. The floor could be useful organizing the rest of the lazarette as well. - When you are cruising, does it cause any issues to leave the rode on deck? - If you leave the anchor on the bow roller but put the rode back in the laz for long term storage, do you have a quick way to connect and disconnect the anchor and rode? As I prepare and execute this project I may have some additional questions for the group. I'll post more details as it comes together. I must say that I'm posting on this topic with some trepidation. If past threads on the list (and conversations with sailors in general) are any indication, any discussion of ground tackle and anchoring techniques is bound to stir up strong opinions. Thanks, Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Jul 17 17:04:11 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:04:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Tom, You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I suspect that this is a subject near and dear to your heart. But I don?t understand why you think we should have it. The website isn?t doing e-commerce or anything. Could you elaborate? Thanks, Peter > On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something that > there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is where > Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to update > nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of all > the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have no > SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is free > and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. > > Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. Thank > you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) > > aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps > there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - really > most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? > > Happy Friday all - > Tom > > Tom Van Heule > Intrinsic Programs > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > +1 303 525 5266 From ruckc at yahoo.com Fri Jul 17 17:24:17 2020 From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:24:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, I agree with your logic that we shouldn't need TLS certificates... but given the status of the internet and https is being preferred in google search results... and Browsers now saying stuff like the attached screenshot. I'd argue for adding valid certificates. It's fairly easy to add and free with lets encrypt certificates, and they help automate certificate renewal so it's nearly entirely hands off once you set it up. I can help if you want, i have quite a few sites out there running lets encrypt certificates. [image: image.png] -- Curtis s/v Ruck It Augusta, GA On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:04 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Tom, > > You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I suspect that > this is a subject near and dear to your heart. But I don?t understand why > you think we should have it. The website isn?t doing e-commerce or > anything. Could you elaborate? > > Thanks, > Peter > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something > that > > there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is where > > Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to update > > nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of > all > > the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have no > > SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is > free > > and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. > > > > Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. Thank > > you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) > > > > aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps > > there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - > really > > most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? > > > > Happy Friday all - > > Tom > > > > > Tom Van Heule > > Intrinsic Programs > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > +1 303 525 5266 > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 434262 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 17:48:20 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Frederick Lange) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:48:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: SSL is definitely needed. Most internet security software, like Norton, either gives a warning or requires active verification if there is no SSL. Also, stay away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect target these days. Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Peter, > > I agree with your logic that we shouldn't need TLS certificates... but > given the status of the internet and https is being preferred in google > search results... and Browsers now saying stuff like the attached > screenshot. I'd argue for adding valid certificates. It's fairly easy to > add and free with lets encrypt certificates, and they help automate > certificate renewal so it's nearly entirely hands off once you set it up. > I can help if you want, i have quite a few sites out there running lets > encrypt certificates. > > [image: image.png] > -- > Curtis > s/v Ruck It > Augusta, GA > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:04 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > Tom, > > > > You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I suspect that > > this is a subject near and dear to your heart. But I don?t understand > why > > you think we should have it. The website isn?t doing e-commerce or > > anything. Could you elaborate? > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something > > that > > > there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is > where > > > Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to > update > > > nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of > > all > > > the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have > no > > > SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is > > free > > > and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. > > > > > > Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. > Thank > > > you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) > > > > > > aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps > > > there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - > > really > > > most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? > > > > > > Happy Friday all - > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Tom Van Heule > > > Intrinsic Programs > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > > +1 303 525 5266 > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image.png > Type: image/png > Size: 434262 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200717/d18ca207/attachment.png > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Jul 17 17:52:09 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:52:09 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] questions regarding anchoring system / process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jesse, Yes, for some reason people tend to have strong opinions on topics related to anchoring. But here goes anyway. The web tubing chain covering is among the latest additions to the system. So far, it?s only been used on one week long cruise. Way too soon to say anything about durability, though I think this material is popular with rock climbers, so I?ll be surprised if there?s an issue on that score. There?s no hint of any damage to the deck, but then the system was in use for most of last season without a cover on the chain, and no hint of deck damage. Perhaps the cover is unnecessary, but it makes me feel better. I was worried about the possibility that the cover would track muck up from the bottom, but in several anchorages I used during my cruise, the anchor came up muddy, but the cover came up clean, so this aspect is looking good. The lazarette/combing anchor rode storage bags are working well on the whole. Sometimes it does take a bit of effort to get the rode to feed into the bag. More vertical drop would be better, but then I?d need a bigger boat. So far there have been no issues at all with the rode feeding out of the bag when the anchor is dropped. Anything like a roller or fairlead does not seem to be necessary. The wood floor of the lazarette is held in place by gravity alone. It?s never shown the slightest inclination to shift. Having the anchor rodes on deck has caused no issues so far. On the other hand, I seem to be tripping over the jib furling line more frequently lately for some reason. You raise a good point about having the rode disconnected from the anchor. After my last cruise, I disconnected the rodes and stored them completely in the bags. I figured that leaving the rodes on deck would result in dirt ?shadows?. I was back on the boat today to do a few chores in preparation for my next cruise. As part of this, I moved the boat from its mooring to the marina dock. I did this without reconnecting even one anchor to its rode. If my outboard had quit during the move, I would have had no quick anchoring option. I should have connected a rode to an anchor. Doing this the ?slow? way involves an allen wrench and might take two minutes. Having a ?quick? way seems like a good idea, just in case, perhaps involving a carabiner? ?Peter > On Jul 17, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > Peter, thanks for documenting the evolution of your anchoring setup and > procedure. > > After doing some anchoring this summer both singlehanded and with crew, and > trying some different approaches, I have plans to make some modifications > to my boat in the off season to make anchoring a bit easier. There are > some differences between your boat and mine, as well as some of the gear I > plan to use but I like your overall concept. > > For others that may not have seen Peter's videos on this topic, the ones > that I'm referring to are listed below. It's possible that I missed some > of Peter's documentation on this topic that may be spread across some other > videos. > > - discussion of an earlier evolution of the system starting around 3 > minutes in on episode 77: https://youtu.be/j2ebeJZUslk > - anchor rode bags to be stored in lazarette: episode 81: > https://youtu.be/GheL7_fhpGo > - overall anchoring system: episode 82: https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4 > > > I had a few questions regarding your anchoring setup. Your insight and > experience would help guide the design of my setup. > > - Have you found the tubular chain covering to work well in terms of > protecting the deck? Does the covering appear to be durable? Does the > chain covering track a lot of the bottom up onto the deck? > - Does your rode storage in the lazarette / coaming work well in > practice? Does the rode come out of the deck pipe easily and flake into > the bag you made without issue? If needed, it seems like a roller could be > added right in front of the deck pipe in order to act as a fairlead to > position the rode at a better angle to go through the pipe > - For the wood floor that you made in the lazarette (covered in > episode #4: storage solutions: https://youtu.be/hXNDjEH-MYg), is that > attached to the hull in any way or simply cut to fit and held by gravity > and the gear on top of the floor? I'm thinking about making a floor > to help support the bottom of the bag that will contain the rode that I > plan to store in the lazarette like your setup. The floor could be useful > organizing the rest of the lazarette as well. > - When you are cruising, does it cause any issues to leave the rode on > deck? > - If you leave the anchor on the bow roller but put the rode back in the > laz for long term storage, do you have a quick way to connect and > disconnect the anchor and rode? > > As I prepare and execute this project I may have some additional questions > for the group. I'll post more details as it comes together. > > I must say that I'm posting on this topic with some trepidation. If past > threads on the list (and conversations with sailors in general) are any > indication, any discussion of ground tackle and anchoring techniques is > bound to stir up strong opinions. > > Thanks, > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr From sea20 at verizon.net Fri Jul 17 17:57:54 2020 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:57:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mary Lou, you must be the same Mary Lou that wrote the terrific review of the Rhodes you and your husband bought From Stan some years back. I think that settled my decision to buy a Rhodes 22 or nothing. Thanks. I?ve emailed Stan a few times and was going to try and visit in August but travel restrictions are an issue, but we?ll get there soon. Anyway, thanks for the inspiration! Scott & Rebecca Wilmington De. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 17, 2020, at 11:07 AM, Luis Guzman wrote: > > ?Nablle is now open source. So, I should be able to get it running on my servers and figure out how everything work. Then, I think that I should be able to move the data to the new server to export it to something else, or write code to extract data and use it in a new web site. Nabble is written in Java, and I?m familiar with it. > > I?ll download the software and install it on my servers. I?ll let everyone know how it goes. > > > Luis A. Guzm?n II > > > S/V Aquetxali > > >> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: >> >> Nabble is an independent outfit I don't believe we have any control over it. >> >> Peter, this looks good. I haven't looked all the way through but hope the FAQ (which was archival material rescued from an earlier website) is fully represented. >> >> BTW I think the current webpage was renovated by a teenager some 15 years ago. I don't really remember all the details and of course haven't been paying close attention here as we no longer have the boat. >> >> Glad to see the initiative though. >> >> Mary Lou >> >>> On 7/17/2020 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >>> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something that >>> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is where >>> Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to update >>> nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of all >>> the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have no >>> SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is free >>> and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. >>> >>> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. Thank >>> you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) >>> >>> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps >>> there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - really >>> most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? >>> >>> Happy Friday all - >>> Tom >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:06 AM Jesse Shumaker < >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Looks good Peter! The photo on the main page represents the R22 well. >>>> Thanks for taking the initiative on this. As you mentioned, the reference >>>> pages and photo gallery have content worth keeping. >>>> >>>> On the Email List page, I see that there is a way to access the archives. >>>> I had been using the search feature on Nabble instead. Perhaps it is worth >>>> linking to http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ as well so people can >>>> search and don't have to comb through the archives manually. However, you >>>> would probably want to make a disclaimer about the preferred method to post >>>> via email so that the attachments are kept with the email list rather than >>>> Nabble. >>>> >>>> Under the document library, perhaps we could post additional checklists >>>> such as updated versions of mast raising and mast lowering checklists. My >>>> versions of those checklists (started by copying from others) have evolved >>>> a bit with practice at the process. When first becoming a sailboat owner, >>>> mast raising/lowering can be a bit intimidating. I'm so glad my boat came >>>> with the GB mast raising system. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your work on the website! >>>> >>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>> S/V Zephyr >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:52 PM Peter Nyberg >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been >>>> playing >>>>> around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a new >>>>> Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. >>>>> >>>>> Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer >>>> programmer, >>>>> wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a website >>>>> developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. >>>>> But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any tricks of >>>>> the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that the work I have >>>>> done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. >>>>> >>>>> Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. >>>>> >>>>> I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created entirely >>>>> new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the page with the >>>>> email list charter, without, I hope, changing the spirit of the contents >>>> at >>>>> all. >>>>> >>>>> What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), I?ve >>>>> renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is valuable, and >>>> will >>>>> take some work to convert to a new format. >>>>> >>>>> For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able to get >>>>> to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On the home page, >>>>> the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which will display the >>>> base >>>>> CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. >>>>> >>>>> The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on >>>> January >>>>> 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. >>>>> I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) is >>>>> here: >>>>> >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff >>>>> < >>>>> >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc71507/attachment.tiff >>>>> Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal domain, >>>>> and you can take a look at it here: http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < >>>>> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> >>>>> >>>>> Enjoy, >>>>> >>>>> Peter Nyberg >>>>> Coventry, CT >>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Jul 17 17:58:18 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 17:58:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> Rick, Could you clarify on your last point? On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to www.facebook.com/ ? Should this be just facebook.com ? Or do you mean something else? ?Peter > On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange wrote: > > SSL is definitely needed. Most internet security software, like Norton, > either gives a warning or requires active verification if there is no SSL. > Also, stay away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect target > these days. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 18:07:26 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Frederick Lange) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:07:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: SSL stands for Secure Sockets Layer, a global standard security technology that enables encrypted communication between a web browser and a web server. Even if there is nothing that needs to be secured, users will be put off if a SSL certificate is not there. *WWW* stands for World Wide Web. It is no longer useful to identify a domain as using HTML and it is too often hijacked these days. Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Rick, > > Could you clarify on your last point? > > On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to www.facebook.com/ < > http://www.facebook.com/>? Should this be just facebook.com < > http://facebook.com/>? Or do you mean something else? > > ?Peter > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange > wrote: > > > > SSL is definitely needed. Most internet security software, like Norton, > > either gives a warning or requires active verification if there is no > SSL. > > Also, stay away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect target > > these days. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Jul 17 20:48:42 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:48:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <004901d65c9d$3013c070$903b4150$@ebsmed.com> I cannot tell you all how happy I am that so many of you have shown interest in the website design. Thank you Peter for creating something new to illustrate where we can go. Thank you Luis for your efforts to work with Nabble. I didn't know that it was open source. Thank you all for your interest in the effort to bring our website up to date. For those who know significantly more than I do about web services, especially that we should secure the website, I am happy to report that we are hosted currently on Amazon Web Services (AWS) as an EC2 server. It appears that a free SSL certificate may be easily obtained directly through AWS or LetsEncrypt and added to our instance with little or no additional cost. The responsibility for the rhodes22.org website and email list manager was transferred to me from John Lock in the spring of 2016 when he lost the ability to provide hosting services. John had assumed the responsibility from Michael Meltzer who had hosted Rhodes22.org for several years. It should be noted that Michael Meltzer still owns and pays for the domain name. I chose AWS because felt that we needed to avoid using personal server resources or services that might go out of business or change their rules (GeoCities). If Amazon failed, the loss of the list would be the least of our problems. Our AWS charges are about $15/month, a sum that I have been happy to pay considering the activity on da list. For greater details as to the origins of Rhodes22.org, Blew Skies, etc., I defer to Mary Lou as the list historian since I have only been on da list since 2005 or so. Since I was not a webmaster, I made few changes to the website portion. I was more concerned with survival of the email list and the archives. I asked for volunteers and help in the past and my May 24th call was answered by many of you this year (nearly 30 posts!) Rhodes22.org has more content than any sailboat forum I have visited and a very active membership. Now, we need to make it accessible to all who visit and easy to search. I am confident that we have the technology and the people to make it happen. I want to move slowly so that our efforts are sustainable. There is so much to talk about starting with creating a "wish list" of changes and features followed by defining individual tasks and implementation schedules. I would like to suggest a Zoom call to start an interactive discussion about the possibilities, timeframes and costs (time and $$$). Scheduling is very important as we are in the middle of sailing season in North America. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Frederick Lange Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:07 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? SSL stands for Secure Sockets Layer, a global standard security technology that enables encrypted communication between a web browser and a web server. Even if there is nothing that needs to be secured, users will be put off if a SSL certificate is not there. *WWW* stands for World Wide Web. It is no longer useful to identify a domain as using HTML and it is too often hijacked these days. Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:59 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Rick, > > Could you clarify on your last point? > > On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to > www.facebook.com/ < http://www.facebook.com/>? Should this be just > facebook.com < http://facebook.com/>? Or do you mean something else? > > ?Peter > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange > > > wrote: > > > > SSL is definitely needed. Most internet security software, like > > Norton, either gives a warning or requires active verification if > > there is no > SSL. > > Also, stay away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect > > target these days. > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Jul 17 21:28:52 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (mail.sunnybeeches.com) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:28:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A test from a Mac with an Attachment References: <2df0f5c4-dbc0-489f-8545-bcbecd5d1539@Spark> Message-ID: <779c1f88-912e-4e3e-802f-6d21bc5e20c9@Spark> This is only a test?. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Belize Resized.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 556025 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Jul 17 21:43:48 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 21:43:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A test from a Mac with an Attachment In-Reply-To: <779c1f88-912e-4e3e-802f-6d21bc5e20c9@Spark> References: <2df0f5c4-dbc0-489f-8545-bcbecd5d1539@Spark> <779c1f88-912e-4e3e-802f-6d21bc5e20c9@Spark> Message-ID: It has been pretty firmly established that if you send an attachment to the list from the native Mac email client, something about the way the message is formatted will result in the attachment being stripped out without a trace. I?ve been wondering for a while whether this was a ?Mac? problem, or a ?Mac email client? problem. It now seems pretty clear that it is the latter. I downloaded a different email client app from the Apple App Store named ?Spark?. This seems to be free for individual users. It took me a minute to connect it to my email server. Then I sent a message to the list with an attachment. Lo and behold, the attachment came through. I intend to just keep this app on the sidelines for those rare occasions when I want to send an attachment to the list. But apparently some people prefer Spark to the native email app. ?Peter > On Jul 17, 2020, at 9:28 PM, mail.sunnybeeches.com wrote: > > This is only a test?. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Belize Resized.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 556025 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Jul 18 13:04:20 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 12:04:20 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: <004901d65c9d$3013c070$903b4150$@ebsmed.com> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> <004901d65c9d$3013c070$903b4150$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Thank you MikeW for that summary - thats good to have written down ;) Peter - everyone beat me to it, and I couldn't have said it better. I created a discord if anyone cares to join an 'off ;da list' talk about site planning: https://discord.gg/CADzXh Cheers, Tom On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:48 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > I cannot tell you all how happy I am that so many of you have shown > interest in the website design. Thank you Peter for creating something new > to illustrate where we can go. Thank you Luis for your efforts to work with > Nabble. I didn't know that it was open source. Thank you all for your > interest in the effort to bring our website up to date. > > For those who know significantly more than I do about web services, > especially that we should secure the website, I am happy to report that we > are hosted currently on Amazon Web Services (AWS) as an EC2 server. It > appears that a free SSL certificate may be easily obtained directly through > AWS or LetsEncrypt and added to our instance with little or no additional > cost. > > The responsibility for the rhodes22.org website and email list manager > was transferred to me from John Lock in the spring of 2016 when he lost the > ability to provide hosting services. John had assumed the responsibility > from Michael Meltzer who had hosted Rhodes22.org for several years. It > should be noted that Michael Meltzer still owns and pays for the domain > name. > > I chose AWS because felt that we needed to avoid using personal server > resources or services that might go out of business or change their rules > (GeoCities). If Amazon failed, the loss of the list would be the least of > our problems. Our AWS charges are about $15/month, a sum that I have been > happy to pay considering the activity on da list. For greater details as to > the origins of Rhodes22.org, Blew Skies, etc., I defer to Mary Lou as the > list historian since I have only been on da list since 2005 or so. > > Since I was not a webmaster, I made few changes to the website portion. I > was more concerned with survival of the email list and the archives. I > asked for volunteers and help in the past and my May 24th call was answered > by many of you this year (nearly 30 posts!) > > Rhodes22.org has more content than any sailboat forum I have visited and a > very active membership. Now, we need to make it accessible to all who visit > and easy to search. I am confident that we have the technology and the > people to make it happen. > > I want to move slowly so that our efforts are sustainable. There is so > much to talk about starting with creating a "wish list" of changes and > features followed by defining individual tasks and implementation > schedules. I would like to suggest a Zoom call to start an interactive > discussion about the possibilities, timeframes and costs (time and $$$). > Scheduling is very important as we are in the middle of sailing season in > North America. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Frederick Lange > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:07 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? > > SSL stands for Secure Sockets Layer, a global standard security technology > that enables encrypted communication between a web browser and a web > server. Even if there is nothing that needs to be secured, users will be > put off if a SSL certificate is not there. > > *WWW* stands for World Wide Web. It is no longer useful to identify a > domain as using HTML and it is too often hijacked these days. > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:59 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > Rick, > > > > Could you clarify on your last point? > > > > On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to > > www.facebook.com/ < http://www.facebook.com/>? Should this be just > > facebook.com < http://facebook.com/>? Or do you mean something else? > > > > ?Peter > > > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > SSL is definitely needed. Most internet security software, like > > > Norton, either gives a warning or requires active verification if > > > there is no > > SSL. > > > Also, stay away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect > > > target these days. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 14:06:16 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:06:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] questions regarding anchoring system / process In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1595095576162-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, thanks for your quick and detailed response. I would rather err on the side of caution and add the tubular covering to avoid scratches on the deck so I think I'll try the tubular webbing as well. On your anchoring system video, I saw that you added a cleat to the jib track that runs on deck next to the cabin. My R22 only has the outside of genoa tracks, so I run my jib sheets outside the upper shrouds. I'm curious, do you find yourself running the jib sheets inside the upper shrouds and using the block on the inside track? I know there is also a bulls eye and cam cleat for the jib sheets on top of the cabin on the outside edge. I suppose that setup or the inside jib sheet track could be used when using the partially furled jib and trying to point up. The club Santana 20 that we use for match racing has two sets of jib sheet tracks and we select which one to use based on whether we have a 90% jib or a genoa. However, for my R22, I've simply left the jib sheets running on the outside track. Perhaps others could share their experience on this too. From a brief search of R22 photos on the internet, it appears that the presence of a set of inside jib sheet tracks is the exception rather than the norm. I can see where it would be helpful to have a cleat accessible from the cabin to tie off the anchor rode. Did you find that the aft cleats (also used for stern lines) were insufficient? I wonder if you just wanted to leave stern lines tied to those. Perhaps using the aft cleat would be inconvenient since it is behind the deck pipe that opens to the front to feed the rode into the lazarette. One possibility for my boat would be to add a 6" folding cleat in front of the deck pipe so it would be out of the way when not in use. I tend to sit on the coaming towards the front of the stern rail to hike out when heeling so I want to make sure that space is usable. That's the reason I decided not to pursue the rear mounting of the bimini since I thought it could get in the way of sitting in that position. Some other possibilities would be to add a folding cleat where you mounted your cleat on the inside jib sheet track, or I could add a jib sheet track along with a mounted cleat, block, and slider but that gets quite expensive. Regarding the quick connect/disconnect, I've found that there are locking climbing caribiners rated to over 5600 lbs of load. In your case, I wonder if you could use a more traditional solution (which takes some more time to connect/disconnect) on one side, and use the carabiner connection on the other so it wouldn't seem like a hassle to setup. I'm planning to have my Mantus M2 anchor on a roller on the bow with rode stored in the laz like your setup, though I may use a locking carbiner and just connect that when getting ready to anchor. For my Fortress FX7 anchor, I plan to store that in the laz. I plan to make some chocks to mount it sideways inside against the forward wall of the lazerette. The rode for that (100' of 3/8" line attached to 10' of 5/16" chain) will remain in it's current place, which is a 3 gallon bucket under the starboard settee. I cut the bucket down so it can slide in under the aft section of the bench and then locks in place under the shorter section up front so it doesn't come out while heeling. For the deck pipe to access the rode in the laz, I might get a slightly larger size than what you used. The rode that I plan to store there is 180' of 1/2" line connected to 5/16" chain which came with the boat. Currently there is 20' of chain but I will shorten that so it transitions to line ahead of wherever I plan to cleat it. When you're anchored for the night, do you also tie off the anchor rode somewhere on the foredeck? Based on my current setup on the foredeck, which includes a Marinco solar vent, and chocks to either side, there's not an easy way to direct the line to the cleat in the center of the bow. I may try your solution for the use of the bow eye using a "painter." For the wood block that you made for this purpose, did you find it easier to make out out of several pieces rather than one solid piece? For storing the rode in the lazarette, I had considered making a sort of connector tube that leads to the West Marine rode storage bag that the rode is currently stored in. I think it's the same one you showed in one of your early videos. I suppose I would need to find a good way to attach the connector tube to the West Marine bag. Or I could just make a bag like you did. Those are some of my ideas for now, but the plans will probably continue to evolve before I get started on the project in the fall. Thanks in advance for any advice. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Sat Jul 18 15:54:11 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:54:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> <004901d65c9d$3013c070$903b4150$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <38cc6c0e-278f-99b3-7d05-db66dc3531cf@atlanticbb.net> "List historian" huh? I think that's another way to say I'm old and have been hanging around a long time. (All true - I believe since 1997 or very early 1998.) I note that Roger was gone a while but has been around a lot longer than me and he still has his same boat. I'm thinking you don't need me for any of the improvements you are making to the list and the website but don't hesitate to ask. One thing I haven't seen mentioned is a list of owners and their boats. Rummy kept that up for many years separate from the email list and website. Every now and then, he would put out an inquiry for updates and new members. He would update it and send it out "back channel" who had asked to be listed. It was never published otherwise? and was only available to the people on it. Known fondly as "da list" it contained addresses, phone numbers, email contact, names of significant others and family members and boat information like name, year, year recycled, HIN and home port. I tried to take it over when he gave it up but it was in a proprietary software with somewhat convoluted output. I bogged down trying to transfer it into something else and never completed the task. Pre Facebook and other means, it was a great source of contacts and added to the cameradery of the group functioning sort of like an ad-hoc owners association. Note that pre-1991, before my time, I understand there was an owner's association. I think the email list sort of took over from that but there was probably a gap in there as well. Roger might know that. Best to all, Mary Lou On 7/18/2020 1:04 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > Thank you MikeW for that summary - thats good to have written down ;) > Peter - everyone beat me to it, and I couldn't have said it better. > > I created a discord if anyone cares to join an 'off ;da list' talk about > site planning: https://discord.gg/CADzXh > > Cheers, > Tom > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:48 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > >> I cannot tell you all how happy I am that so many of you have shown >> interest in the website design. Thank you Peter for creating something new >> to illustrate where we can go. Thank you Luis for your efforts to work with >> Nabble. I didn't know that it was open source. Thank you all for your >> interest in the effort to bring our website up to date. >> >> For those who know significantly more than I do about web services, >> especially that we should secure the website, I am happy to report that we >> are hosted currently on Amazon Web Services (AWS) as an EC2 server. It >> appears that a free SSL certificate may be easily obtained directly through >> AWS or LetsEncrypt and added to our instance with little or no additional >> cost. >> >> The responsibility for the rhodes22.org website and email list manager >> was transferred to me from John Lock in the spring of 2016 when he lost the >> ability to provide hosting services. John had assumed the responsibility >> from Michael Meltzer who had hosted Rhodes22.org for several years. It >> should be noted that Michael Meltzer still owns and pays for the domain >> name. >> >> I chose AWS because felt that we needed to avoid using personal server >> resources or services that might go out of business or change their rules >> (GeoCities). If Amazon failed, the loss of the list would be the least of >> our problems. Our AWS charges are about $15/month, a sum that I have been >> happy to pay considering the activity on da list. For greater details as to >> the origins of Rhodes22.org, Blew Skies, etc., I defer to Mary Lou as the >> list historian since I have only been on da list since 2005 or so. >> >> Since I was not a webmaster, I made few changes to the website portion. I >> was more concerned with survival of the email list and the archives. I >> asked for volunteers and help in the past and my May 24th call was answered >> by many of you this year (nearly 30 posts!) >> >> Rhodes22.org has more content than any sailboat forum I have visited and a >> very active membership. Now, we need to make it accessible to all who visit >> and easy to search. I am confident that we have the technology and the >> people to make it happen. >> >> I want to move slowly so that our efforts are sustainable. There is so >> much to talk about starting with creating a "wish list" of changes and >> features followed by defining individual tasks and implementation >> schedules. I would like to suggest a Zoom call to start an interactive >> discussion about the possibilities, timeframes and costs (time and $$$). >> Scheduling is very important as we are in the middle of sailing season in >> North America. >> >> Mike >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> I?d rather be sailing :~) >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> Frederick Lange >> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:07 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? >> >> SSL stands for Secure Sockets Layer, a global standard security technology >> that enables encrypted communication between a web browser and a web >> server. Even if there is nothing that needs to be secured, users will be >> put off if a SSL certificate is not there. >> >> *WWW* stands for World Wide Web. It is no longer useful to identify a >> domain as using HTML and it is too often hijacked these days. >> Regards, >> >> Rick Lange >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:59 PM Peter Nyberg >> wrote: >> >>> Rick, >>> >>> Could you clarify on your last point? >>> >>> On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to >>> www.facebook.com/ < http://www.facebook.com/>? Should this be just >>> facebook.com < http://facebook.com/>? Or do you mean something else? >>> >>> ?Peter >>> >>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> SSL is definitely needed. Most internet security software, like >>>> Norton, either gives a warning or requires active verification if >>>> there is no >>> SSL. >>>> Also, stay away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect >>>> target these days. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Rick Lange >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>> >>> >> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Jul 18 16:00:53 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:00:53 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: <38cc6c0e-278f-99b3-7d05-db66dc3531cf@atlanticbb.net> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> <004901d65c9d$3013c070$903b4150$@ebsmed.com> <38cc6c0e-278f-99b3-7d05-db66dc3531cf@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: > > Thanks Mary Lou - and in essence > "* Known fondly as "da list" it contained * > * addresses, phone numbers, email contact, names of significant others and > * > * family members and boat information like name, year, year recycled, HIN * > * and home port.*" > is the reason why we want this place secure. (because we do not want to > stop being open and friendly) > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 2:54 PM Mary Lou Troy wrote: > "List historian" huh? I think that's another way to say I'm old and have > been hanging around a long time. (All true - I believe since 1997 or > very early 1998.) I note that Roger was gone a while but has been around > a lot longer than me and he still has his same boat. > > I'm thinking you don't need me for any of the improvements you are > making to the list and the website but don't hesitate to ask. > > One thing I haven't seen mentioned is a list of owners and their boats. > Rummy kept that up for many years separate from the email list and > website. Every now and then, he would put out an inquiry for updates and > new members. He would update it and send it out "back channel" who had > asked to be listed. It was never published otherwise and was only > available to the people on it. Known fondly as "da list" it contained > addresses, phone numbers, email contact, names of significant others and > family members and boat information like name, year, year recycled, HIN > and home port. I tried to take it over when he gave it up but it was in > a proprietary software with somewhat convoluted output. I bogged down > trying to transfer it into something else and never completed the task. > Pre Facebook and other means, it was a great source of contacts and > added to the cameradery of the group functioning sort of like an ad-hoc > owners association. Note that pre-1991, before my time, I understand > there was an owner's association. I think the email list sort of took > over from that but there was probably a gap in there as well. Roger > might know that. > > Best to all, > Mary Lou > > > > On 7/18/2020 1:04 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Thank you MikeW for that summary - thats good to have written down ;) > > Peter - everyone beat me to it, and I couldn't have said it better. > > > > I created a discord if anyone cares to join an 'off ;da list' talk about > > site planning: https://discord.gg/CADzXh > > > > Cheers, > > Tom > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:48 PM Michael D. Weisner > > wrote: > > > >> I cannot tell you all how happy I am that so many of you have shown > >> interest in the website design. Thank you Peter for creating something > new > >> to illustrate where we can go. Thank you Luis for your efforts to work > with > >> Nabble. I didn't know that it was open source. Thank you all for your > >> interest in the effort to bring our website up to date. > >> > >> For those who know significantly more than I do about web services, > >> especially that we should secure the website, I am happy to report that > we > >> are hosted currently on Amazon Web Services (AWS) as an EC2 server. It > >> appears that a free SSL certificate may be easily obtained directly > through > >> AWS or LetsEncrypt and added to our instance with little or no > additional > >> cost. > >> > >> The responsibility for the rhodes22.org website and email list manager > >> was transferred to me from John Lock in the spring of 2016 when he lost > the > >> ability to provide hosting services. John had assumed the responsibility > >> from Michael Meltzer who had hosted Rhodes22.org for several years. It > >> should be noted that Michael Meltzer still owns and pays for the domain > >> name. > >> > >> I chose AWS because felt that we needed to avoid using personal server > >> resources or services that might go out of business or change their > rules > >> (GeoCities). If Amazon failed, the loss of the list would be the least > of > >> our problems. Our AWS charges are about $15/month, a sum that I have > been > >> happy to pay considering the activity on da list. For greater details > as to > >> the origins of Rhodes22.org, Blew Skies, etc., I defer to Mary Lou as > the > >> list historian since I have only been on da list since 2005 or so. > >> > >> Since I was not a webmaster, I made few changes to the website portion. > I > >> was more concerned with survival of the email list and the archives. I > >> asked for volunteers and help in the past and my May 24th call was > answered > >> by many of you this year (nearly 30 posts!) > >> > >> Rhodes22.org has more content than any sailboat forum I have visited > and a > >> very active membership. Now, we need to make it accessible to all who > visit > >> and easy to search. I am confident that we have the technology and the > >> people to make it happen. > >> > >> I want to move slowly so that our efforts are sustainable. There is so > >> much to talk about starting with creating a "wish list" of changes and > >> features followed by defining individual tasks and implementation > >> schedules. I would like to suggest a Zoom call to start an interactive > >> discussion about the possibilities, timeframes and costs (time and $$$). > >> Scheduling is very important as we are in the middle of sailing season > in > >> North America. > >> > >> Mike > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >> Nissequogue River, NY > >> I?d rather be sailing :~) > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > >> Frederick Lange > >> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:07 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? > >> > >> SSL stands for Secure Sockets Layer, a global standard security > technology > >> that enables encrypted communication between a web browser and a web > >> server. Even if there is nothing that needs to be secured, users will > be > >> put off if a SSL certificate is not there. > >> > >> *WWW* stands for World Wide Web. It is no longer useful to identify a > >> domain as using HTML and it is too often hijacked these days. > >> Regards, > >> > >> Rick Lange > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:59 PM Peter Nyberg > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Rick, > >>> > >>> Could you clarify on your last point? > >>> > >>> On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to > >>> www.facebook.com/ < http://www.facebook.com/>? Should this be just > >>> facebook.com < http://facebook.com/>? Or do you mean something else? > >>> > >>> ?Peter > >>> > >>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange > >>>> > >>> wrote: > >>>> SSL is definitely needed. Most internet security software, like > >>>> Norton, either gives a warning or requires active verification if > >>>> there is no > >>> SSL. > >>>> Also, stay away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect > >>>> target these days. > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> Rick Lange > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < > >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 16:18:06 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:18:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out Haul Car Solutions Message-ID: <1595103486601-0.post@n5.nabble.com> The first jpeg is of the broken car. The second image is of a jury rig consisting of a loose footed main slug available from a sail maker and a couple of shackles (one twisted) The third of a replica of the original, but beefed up. This is my first time including photos - so wish me luck. If they did not come through, I'll try again. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Sat Jul 18 16:24:34 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 16:24:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> <004901d65c9d$3013c070$903b4150$@ebsmed.com> <38cc6c0e-278f-99b3-7d05-db66dc3531cf@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: Yes a lot more options available now then back then. And just as a point of information in case the R22 folks ever want to migrate off the mailman list at some point or go to a third party source for list and some website like functions. When we got the Rosborough, the owners email list was on Yahoo groups which I hated. A couple of years later Yahoo abandoned groups with a enough notice for group members to look for other solutions. They did a fairly seamless migration, including all their photos and data files to groups.io dating back to 2001. It is not free but we were able to take donations and come up with two years worth of subscription in a day or two. I believe there is a group of 3 administrators that admit people to the group and moderate. I really like it as a user.? It would not take the place of the website as envisioned here but could give a more modern look,? management and security to the email list and would probably integrate well with the website. Might take a bit of the management load off the website as well. There is more info about the service at https://groups.io/??? And if you want to see what the front page of the group looks like you can see the Rossi page at https://groups.io/g/rosboroughrf246owners Best to all Mary Lou On 7/18/2020 4:00 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> Thanks Mary Lou - and in essence > > >> "* Known fondly as "da list" it contained * >> * addresses, phone numbers, email contact, names of significant others and >> * >> * family members and boat information like name, year, year recycled, HIN * >> * and home port.*" > > > >> is the reason why we want this place secure. (because we do not want to >> stop being open and friendly) >> > On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 2:54 PM Mary Lou Troy wrote: > >> "List historian" huh? I think that's another way to say I'm old and have >> been hanging around a long time. (All true - I believe since 1997 or >> very early 1998.) I note that Roger was gone a while but has been around >> a lot longer than me and he still has his same boat. >> >> I'm thinking you don't need me for any of the improvements you are >> making to the list and the website but don't hesitate to ask. >> >> One thing I haven't seen mentioned is a list of owners and their boats. >> Rummy kept that up for many years separate from the email list and >> website. Every now and then, he would put out an inquiry for updates and >> new members. He would update it and send it out "back channel" who had >> asked to be listed. It was never published otherwise and was only >> available to the people on it. Known fondly as "da list" it contained >> addresses, phone numbers, email contact, names of significant others and >> family members and boat information like name, year, year recycled, HIN >> and home port. I tried to take it over when he gave it up but it was in >> a proprietary software with somewhat convoluted output. I bogged down >> trying to transfer it into something else and never completed the task. >> Pre Facebook and other means, it was a great source of contacts and >> added to the cameradery of the group functioning sort of like an ad-hoc >> owners association. Note that pre-1991, before my time, I understand >> there was an owner's association. I think the email list sort of took >> over from that but there was probably a gap in there as well. Roger >> might know that. >> >> Best to all, >> Mary Lou >> >> >> >> On 7/18/2020 1:04 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >>> Thank you MikeW for that summary - thats good to have written down ;) >>> Peter - everyone beat me to it, and I couldn't have said it better. >>> >>> I created a discord if anyone cares to join an 'off ;da list' talk about >>> site planning: https://discord.gg/CADzXh >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Tom >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:48 PM Michael D. Weisner >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I cannot tell you all how happy I am that so many of you have shown >>>> interest in the website design. Thank you Peter for creating something >> new >>>> to illustrate where we can go. Thank you Luis for your efforts to work >> with >>>> Nabble. I didn't know that it was open source. Thank you all for your >>>> interest in the effort to bring our website up to date. >>>> >>>> For those who know significantly more than I do about web services, >>>> especially that we should secure the website, I am happy to report that >> we >>>> are hosted currently on Amazon Web Services (AWS) as an EC2 server. It >>>> appears that a free SSL certificate may be easily obtained directly >> through >>>> AWS or LetsEncrypt and added to our instance with little or no >> additional >>>> cost. >>>> >>>> The responsibility for the rhodes22.org website and email list manager >>>> was transferred to me from John Lock in the spring of 2016 when he lost >> the >>>> ability to provide hosting services. John had assumed the responsibility >>>> from Michael Meltzer who had hosted Rhodes22.org for several years. It >>>> should be noted that Michael Meltzer still owns and pays for the domain >>>> name. >>>> >>>> I chose AWS because felt that we needed to avoid using personal server >>>> resources or services that might go out of business or change their >> rules >>>> (GeoCities). If Amazon failed, the loss of the list would be the least >> of >>>> our problems. Our AWS charges are about $15/month, a sum that I have >> been >>>> happy to pay considering the activity on da list. For greater details >> as to >>>> the origins of Rhodes22.org, Blew Skies, etc., I defer to Mary Lou as >> the >>>> list historian since I have only been on da list since 2005 or so. >>>> >>>> Since I was not a webmaster, I made few changes to the website portion. >> I >>>> was more concerned with survival of the email list and the archives. I >>>> asked for volunteers and help in the past and my May 24th call was >> answered >>>> by many of you this year (nearly 30 posts!) >>>> >>>> Rhodes22.org has more content than any sailboat forum I have visited >> and a >>>> very active membership. Now, we need to make it accessible to all who >> visit >>>> and easy to search. I am confident that we have the technology and the >>>> people to make it happen. >>>> >>>> I want to move slowly so that our efforts are sustainable. There is so >>>> much to talk about starting with creating a "wish list" of changes and >>>> features followed by defining individual tasks and implementation >>>> schedules. I would like to suggest a Zoom call to start an interactive >>>> discussion about the possibilities, timeframes and costs (time and $$$). >>>> Scheduling is very important as we are in the middle of sailing season >> in >>>> North America. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>>> Nissequogue River, NY >>>> I?d rather be sailing :~) >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >>>> Frederick Lange >>>> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:07 PM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? >>>> >>>> SSL stands for Secure Sockets Layer, a global standard security >> technology >>>> that enables encrypted communication between a web browser and a web >>>> server. Even if there is nothing that needs to be secured, users will >> be >>>> put off if a SSL certificate is not there. >>>> >>>> *WWW* stands for World Wide Web. It is no longer useful to identify a >>>> domain as using HTML and it is too often hijacked these days. >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Rick Lange >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:59 PM Peter Nyberg >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Rick, >>>>> >>>>> Could you clarify on your last point? >>>>> >>>>> On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to >>>>> www.facebook.com/ < http://www.facebook.com/>? Should this be just >>>>> facebook.com < http://facebook.com/>? Or do you mean something else? >>>>> >>>>> ?Peter >>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange >>>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> SSL is definitely needed. Most internet security software, like >>>>>> Norton, either gives a warning or requires active verification if >>>>>> there is no >>>>> SSL. >>>>>> Also, stay away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect >>>>>> target these days. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Rick Lange >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>>>> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 16:29:54 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 13:29:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out Haul Car Solutions In-Reply-To: <1595103486601-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1595103486601-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1595104194872-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Pardon my ignorance. I'll work on the pix later. If anyone has a tutorial, I an happy to take instruction. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Jul 18 17:05:27 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:05:27 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> <004901d65c9d$3013c070$903b4150$@ebsmed.com> <38cc6c0e-278f-99b3-7d05-db66dc3531cf@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: <9F61285E-4695-4329-BF1C-0B3359E34593@sunnybeeches.com> I?ve also had a good experience with an email list that moved from Yahoo to groups.io . I?ve even been able to post pictures from my Mac! They provide an area for files, which could be useful. I think the big question about a potential move would be archives - both past and future. ?Peter > On Jul 18, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > Yes a lot more options available now then back then. > > And just as a point of information in case the R22 folks ever want to migrate off the mailman list at some point or go to a third party source for list and some website like functions. When we got the Rosborough, the owners email list was on Yahoo groups which I hated. A couple of years later Yahoo abandoned groups with a enough notice for group members to look for other solutions. They did a fairly seamless migration, including all their photos and data files to groups.io dating back to 2001. It is not free but we were able to take donations and come up with two years worth of subscription in a day or two. > > I believe there is a group of 3 administrators that admit people to the group and moderate. I really like it as a user. It would not take the place of the website as envisioned here but could give a more modern look, management and security to the email list and would probably integrate well with the website. Might take a bit of the management load off the website as well. > > There is more info about the service at https://groups.io/ And if you want to see what the front page of the group looks like you can see the Rossi page at https://groups.io/g/rosboroughrf246owners > > Best to all > Mary Lou From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Jul 18 17:09:15 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 17:09:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out Haul Car Solutions In-Reply-To: <1595104194872-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1595103486601-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1595104194872-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7EDF6A7A-FE6A-4BA7-93E3-37E7D8CB93FA@sunnybeeches.com> Jeff, If you?re not using a Mac, then ignore Nabble and just send an email to rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org with the attachments. It should work. If you are using a Mac, well then it gets more complicated. ?Peter > On Jul 18, 2020, at 4:29 PM, JeffSmith wrote: > > Pardon my ignorance. I'll work on the pix later. If anyone has a tutorial, > I an happy to take instruction. > > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Sat Jul 18 18:15:34 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 18:15:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: <9F61285E-4695-4329-BF1C-0B3359E34593@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> <004901d65c9d$3013c070$903b4150$@ebsmed.com> <38cc6c0e-278f-99b3-7d05-db66dc3531cf@atlanticbb.net> <9F61285E-4695-4329-BF1C-0B3359E34593@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: On 7/18/2020 5:05 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > I?ve also had a good experience with an email list that moved from Yahoo to groups.io . I?ve even been able to post pictures from my Mac! They provide an area for files, which could be useful. I think the big question about a potential move would be archives - both past and future. > > ?Peter I know the Rossi folks were very pleased with the process for migrating from Yahoo to IO. They had a few blips but managed to migrate almost 20 years of emails and photos. They did lose some of the division of photos into albums from the Yahoo site but evidently had enough information that they were able to restore a lot of that. I have no idea if there is support for moving from something like Mailman but it worked well from Yahoo which already had a group format. And of course I have no idea what it will be like moving forward if they decide to leave IO or if IO checks out but I think they considered that in the process of choosing a service so it might be worth taking a look. Best, Mary Lou > >> On Jul 18, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: >> >> Yes a lot more options available now then back then. >> >> And just as a point of information in case the R22 folks ever want to migrate off the mailman list at some point or go to a third party source for list and some website like functions. When we got the Rosborough, the owners email list was on Yahoo groups which I hated. A couple of years later Yahoo abandoned groups with a enough notice for group members to look for other solutions. They did a fairly seamless migration, including all their photos and data files to groups.io dating back to 2001. It is not free but we were able to take donations and come up with two years worth of subscription in a day or two. >> >> I believe there is a group of 3 administrators that admit people to the group and moderate. I really like it as a user. It would not take the place of the website as envisioned here but could give a more modern look, management and security to the email list and would probably integrate well with the website. Might take a bit of the management load off the website as well. >> >> There is more info about the service at https://groups.io/ And if you want to see what the front page of the group looks like you can see the Rossi page at https://groups.io/g/rosboroughrf246owners >> >> Best to all >> Mary Lou -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bgarrant at gmail.com Sat Jul 18 20:24:46 2020 From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:24:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out Haul Car Solutions In-Reply-To: <1595103486601-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1595103486601-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I purchased a new outhaul car through Stan (Charles is the manufacturer) and it?s terrific. On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 4:18 PM JeffSmith wrote: > The first jpeg is of the broken car. > border="0"/> > The second image is of a jury rig consisting of a loose footed main slug > available from a sail maker and a couple of shackles (one twisted) > border="0"/> > The third of a replica of the original, but beefed up. > border="0"/> > > This is my first time including photos - so wish me luck. If they did not > come through, I'll try again. > > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Jul 18 21:25:43 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 21:25:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] questions regarding anchoring system / process In-Reply-To: <1595095576162-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1595095576162-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <335F8AB0-9617-49F2-98DB-1018A0E4506F@sunnybeeches.com> Jesse, On my boat there are three possible ways to run the foresail sheets (port and starboard). Outside all shrouds using the aft track and car Between the upper and lower shrouds using the more forward track and car Inside all shrouds using the cabin top fairlead and cam cleat I thought this arrangement was universal on Rhodes 22?s, but perhaps not. I use the aft track at least 95% of the time. I?ve never used the cabin top fairlead and cleat for the jib sheet. Being able to tie off the anchor rode right next to the cabin puts the rode exactly where I want it to be. It just worked out that way. I suppose using the aft cleats instead would work too, I?m just not sure exactly how the rode would run. When anchored for the night, the ?painter? is taking the load, but the rode is tied off to a bow cleat as a back-up. I added two additional bow cleats, so there?s plenty to choose from. Since the rode is slack, the location of the cleat is not critical. I made my anchor rode ?toggle? from three pieces of 3/4? material glued together because I have lots of 3/4? oak in my workshop. In order to use the West Marine bag for storage, I think you would have to find a way to suspend it under the combing. I thought about that briefly, but decided that the approach I took was easier. Best of Luck ?Peter > On Jul 18, 2020, at 2:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > Peter, thanks for your quick and detailed response. > > I would rather err on the side of caution and add the tubular covering to > avoid scratches on the deck so I think I'll try the tubular webbing as well. > > On your anchoring system video, I saw that you added a cleat to the jib > track that runs on deck next to the cabin. My R22 only has the outside of > genoa tracks, so I run my jib sheets outside the upper shrouds. I'm > curious, do you find yourself running the jib sheets inside the upper > shrouds and using the block on the inside track? I know there is also a > bulls eye and cam cleat for the jib sheets on top of the cabin on the > outside edge. I suppose that setup or the inside jib sheet track could be > used when using the partially furled jib and trying to point up. The club > Santana 20 that we use for match racing has two sets of jib sheet tracks and > we select which one to use based on whether we have a 90% jib or a genoa. > However, for my R22, I've simply left the jib sheets running on the outside > track. Perhaps others could share their experience on this too. From a > brief search of R22 photos on the internet, it appears that the presence of > a set of inside jib sheet tracks is the exception rather than the norm. > > I can see where it would be helpful to have a cleat accessible from the > cabin to tie off the anchor rode. Did you find that the aft cleats (also > used for stern lines) were insufficient? I wonder if you just wanted to > leave stern lines tied to those. Perhaps using the aft cleat would be > inconvenient since it is behind the deck pipe that opens to the front to > feed the rode into the lazarette. One possibility for my boat would be to > add a 6" folding cleat in front of the deck pipe so it would be out of the > way when not in use. I tend to sit on the coaming towards the front of the > stern rail to hike out when heeling so I want to make sure that space is > usable. That's the reason I decided not to pursue the rear mounting of the > bimini since I thought it could get in the way of sitting in that position. > Some other possibilities would be to add a folding cleat where you mounted > your cleat on the inside jib sheet track, or I could add a jib sheet track > along with a mounted cleat, block, and slider but that gets quite expensive. > > Regarding the quick connect/disconnect, I've found that there are locking > climbing caribiners rated to over 5600 lbs of load. In your case, I wonder > if you could use a more traditional solution (which takes some more time to > connect/disconnect) on one side, and use the carabiner connection on the > other so it wouldn't seem like a hassle to setup. I'm planning to have my > Mantus M2 anchor on a roller on the bow with rode stored in the laz like > your setup, though I may use a locking carbiner and just connect that when > getting ready to anchor. For my Fortress FX7 anchor, I plan to store that > in the laz. I plan to make some chocks to mount it sideways inside against > the forward wall of the lazerette. The rode for that (100' of 3/8" line > attached to 10' of 5/16" chain) will remain in it's current place, which is > a 3 gallon bucket under the starboard settee. I cut the bucket down so it > can slide in under the aft section of the bench and then locks in place > under the shorter section up front so it doesn't come out while heeling. > > For the deck pipe to access the rode in the laz, I might get a slightly > larger size than what you used. The rode that I plan to store there is 180' > of 1/2" line connected to 5/16" chain which came with the boat. Currently > there is 20' of chain but I will shorten that so it transitions to line > ahead of wherever I plan to cleat it. > > When you're anchored for the night, do you also tie off the anchor rode > somewhere on the foredeck? Based on my current setup on the foredeck, which > includes a Marinco solar vent, and chocks to either side, there's not an > easy way to direct the line to the cleat in the center of the bow. > > I may try your solution for the use of the bow eye using a "painter." For > the wood block that you made for this purpose, did you find it easier to > make out out of several pieces rather than one solid piece? > > For storing the rode in the lazarette, I had considered making a sort of > connector tube that leads to the West Marine rode storage bag that the rode > is currently stored in. I think it's the same one you showed in one of your > early videos. I suppose I would need to find a good way to attach the > connector tube to the West Marine bag. Or I could just make a bag like you > did. > > Those are some of my ideas for now, but the plans will probably continue to > evolve before I get started on the project in the fall. Thanks in advance > for any advice. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 11:15:38 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Frederick Lange) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 11:15:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] questions regarding anchoring system / process In-Reply-To: <335F8AB0-9617-49F2-98DB-1018A0E4506F@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1595095576162-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <335F8AB0-9617-49F2-98DB-1018A0E4506F@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Hi Peter, Do you know whether your setup allows you to safely and reliably drop and retrieve the anchor in rough seas, per CG standards? Regards, Rick Lange On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 9:25 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Jesse, > > On my boat there are three possible ways to run the foresail sheets (port > and starboard). > Outside all shrouds using the aft track and car > Between the upper and lower shrouds using the more forward track and car > Inside all shrouds using the cabin top fairlead and cam cleat > > I thought this arrangement was universal on Rhodes 22?s, but perhaps not. > > I use the aft track at least 95% of the time. I?ve never used the cabin > top fairlead and cleat for the jib sheet. > > Being able to tie off the anchor rode right next to the cabin puts the > rode exactly where I want it to be. It just worked out that way. I suppose > using the aft cleats instead would work too, I?m just not sure exactly how > the rode would run. > > When anchored for the night, the ?painter? is taking the load, but the > rode is tied off to a bow cleat as a back-up. I added two additional bow > cleats, so there?s plenty to choose from. Since the rode is slack, the > location of the cleat is not critical. > > I made my anchor rode ?toggle? from three pieces of 3/4? material glued > together because I have lots of 3/4? oak in my workshop. > > In order to use the West Marine bag for storage, I think you would have to > find a way to suspend it under the combing. I thought about that briefly, > but decided that the approach I took was easier. > > Best of Luck > > ?Peter > > > > On Jul 18, 2020, at 2:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Peter, thanks for your quick and detailed response. > > > > I would rather err on the side of caution and add the tubular covering to > > avoid scratches on the deck so I think I'll try the tubular webbing as > well. > > > > On your anchoring system video, I saw that you added a cleat to the jib > > track that runs on deck next to the cabin. My R22 only has the outside > of > > genoa tracks, so I run my jib sheets outside the upper shrouds. I'm > > curious, do you find yourself running the jib sheets inside the upper > > shrouds and using the block on the inside track? I know there is also a > > bulls eye and cam cleat for the jib sheets on top of the cabin on the > > outside edge. I suppose that setup or the inside jib sheet track could > be > > used when using the partially furled jib and trying to point up. The > club > > Santana 20 that we use for match racing has two sets of jib sheet tracks > and > > we select which one to use based on whether we have a 90% jib or a > genoa. > > However, for my R22, I've simply left the jib sheets running on the > outside > > track. Perhaps others could share their experience on this too. From a > > brief search of R22 photos on the internet, it appears that the presence > of > > a set of inside jib sheet tracks is the exception rather than the norm. > > > > I can see where it would be helpful to have a cleat accessible from the > > cabin to tie off the anchor rode. Did you find that the aft cleats (also > > used for stern lines) were insufficient? I wonder if you just wanted to > > leave stern lines tied to those. Perhaps using the aft cleat would be > > inconvenient since it is behind the deck pipe that opens to the front to > > feed the rode into the lazarette. One possibility for my boat would be > to > > add a 6" folding cleat in front of the deck pipe so it would be out of > the > > way when not in use. I tend to sit on the coaming towards the front of > the > > stern rail to hike out when heeling so I want to make sure that space is > > usable. That's the reason I decided not to pursue the rear mounting of > the > > bimini since I thought it could get in the way of sitting in that > position. > > Some other possibilities would be to add a folding cleat where you > mounted > > your cleat on the inside jib sheet track, or I could add a jib sheet > track > > along with a mounted cleat, block, and slider but that gets quite > expensive. > > > > Regarding the quick connect/disconnect, I've found that there are locking > > climbing caribiners rated to over 5600 lbs of load. In your case, I > wonder > > if you could use a more traditional solution (which takes some more time > to > > connect/disconnect) on one side, and use the carabiner connection on the > > other so it wouldn't seem like a hassle to setup. I'm planning to have > my > > Mantus M2 anchor on a roller on the bow with rode stored in the laz like > > your setup, though I may use a locking carbiner and just connect that > when > > getting ready to anchor. For my Fortress FX7 anchor, I plan to store > that > > in the laz. I plan to make some chocks to mount it sideways inside > against > > the forward wall of the lazerette. The rode for that (100' of 3/8" line > > attached to 10' of 5/16" chain) will remain in it's current place, which > is > > a 3 gallon bucket under the starboard settee. I cut the bucket down so > it > > can slide in under the aft section of the bench and then locks in place > > under the shorter section up front so it doesn't come out while heeling. > > > > For the deck pipe to access the rode in the laz, I might get a slightly > > larger size than what you used. The rode that I plan to store there is > 180' > > of 1/2" line connected to 5/16" chain which came with the boat. > Currently > > there is 20' of chain but I will shorten that so it transitions to line > > ahead of wherever I plan to cleat it. > > > > When you're anchored for the night, do you also tie off the anchor rode > > somewhere on the foredeck? Based on my current setup on the foredeck, > which > > includes a Marinco solar vent, and chocks to either side, there's not an > > easy way to direct the line to the cleat in the center of the bow. > > > > I may try your solution for the use of the bow eye using a "painter." > For > > the wood block that you made for this purpose, did you find it easier to > > make out out of several pieces rather than one solid piece? > > > > For storing the rode in the lazarette, I had considered making a sort of > > connector tube that leads to the West Marine rode storage bag that the > rode > > is currently stored in. I think it's the same one you showed in one of > your > > early videos. I suppose I would need to find a good way to attach the > > connector tube to the West Marine bag. Or I could just make a bag like > you > > did. > > > > Those are some of my ideas for now, but the plans will probably continue > to > > evolve before I get started on the project in the fall. Thanks in > advance > > for any advice. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun Jul 19 13:30:29 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 13:30:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] questions regarding anchoring system / process In-Reply-To: References: <1595095576162-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <335F8AB0-9617-49F2-98DB-1018A0E4506F@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <990779E5-1355-4399-AC2F-9C98F228A7AD@sunnybeeches.com> I wasn?t aware of this Coast Guard requirement, and I haven?t actually done this, but I?m pretty confident the system would work in rough seas. Launching would just be a matter of taking the rode off the track cleat just forward of the cockpit. Once that?s done, the anchor drops and the rode plays out. Once the anchor is set, and the rode has sufficient scope, I probably would go up on the bow to move the rode from bow roller to the bow chock, to avoid putting too much strain on the bow roller. To retrieve the anchor, I?d have to go to the bow again to shift the rode back to the anchor roller, and then return to the cockpit to pull in the rode. If rough conditions made pulling in the rode difficult, I?d have the jib sheet winch right there to assist. Once the anchor is up, the rode would again be cleated to the track cleat just forward of the cockpit. This process would clearly be safer and more reliable than the system I used to use, which involved wrestling the anchor and rode from the lazarette to the bow. ?Peter > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Frederick Lange wrote: > > Hi Peter, > > Do you know whether your setup allows you to safely and reliably drop and > retrieve the anchor in rough seas, per CG standards? > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 14:58:21 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Frederick Lange) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:58:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] questions regarding anchoring system / process In-Reply-To: <990779E5-1355-4399-AC2F-9C98F228A7AD@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1595095576162-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <335F8AB0-9617-49F2-98DB-1018A0E4506F@sunnybeeches.com> <990779E5-1355-4399-AC2F-9C98F228A7AD@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: In Cleveland, the CG can stop you and order you to demo anchoring. If you did it your old way of walking the anchor forward from the lazaret, they could impound your boat. Getting the rode to run through the chock by handling the rode has to be done even when using the boat design method of dropping the anchor while seated in the bow pulpit. I wouldn't chance it in rough seas for fear of losing a finger. Wouldn't want to show that to the CG, either. On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 1:31 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > I wasn?t aware of this Coast Guard requirement, and I haven?t actually > done this, but I?m pretty confident the system would work in rough seas. > > Launching would just be a matter of taking the rode off the track cleat > just forward of the cockpit. Once that?s done, the anchor drops and the > rode plays out. Once the anchor is set, and the rode has sufficient scope, > I probably would go up on the bow to move the rode from bow roller to the > bow chock, to avoid putting too much strain on the bow roller. > > To retrieve the anchor, I?d have to go to the bow again to shift the rode > back to the anchor roller, and then return to the cockpit to pull in the > rode. If rough conditions made pulling in the rode difficult, I?d have the > jib sheet winch right there to assist. Once the anchor is up, the rode > would again be cleated to the track cleat just forward of the cockpit. > > This process would clearly be safer and more reliable than the system I > used to use, which involved wrestling the anchor and rode from the > lazarette to the bow. > > ?Peter > > > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Frederick Lange > wrote: > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > Do you know whether your setup allows you to safely and reliably drop and > > retrieve the anchor in rough seas, per CG standards? > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sun Jul 19 15:39:32 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 14:39:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the archives for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical or horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden description? https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From chrismalley at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 15:50:32 2020 From: chrismalley at gmail.com (Chris Malley) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:50:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05CFDA84-96EB-4811-81CF-AA9FB23031F6@gmail.com> Horizontal. Chris S/V Pleiades 1973 NDM Rhodes 22 Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 19, 2020, at 3:39 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > ?Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the archives > for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the > system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical or > horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden > description? > https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main > > It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. > > > -- > Tom Van Heule > Intrinsic Programs > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > +1 303 525 5266 From trimsails at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 16:01:17 2020 From: trimsails at gmail.com (Jerry Thompson) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:01:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] questions regarding anchoring system / process In-Reply-To: References: <1595095576162-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <335F8AB0-9617-49F2-98DB-1018A0E4506F@sunnybeeches.com> <990779E5-1355-4399-AC2F-9C98F228A7AD@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Attached is The Boater's Guide To The Federal Requirements For Recreational Boats. The Rhodes 22 is a recreational vehicle. Page 52 lists required equipment - the Coast Guard can ding you if something is missing or non-operational that is listed there. An anchor and rode is not required. Page 53 lists recommended equipment and the anchor and rode appears on this list (personally I want an appropriate anchor and rode aboard with a spare). Page 59 describes anchoring guidelines. Thanks, Jerry On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:59 PM Frederick Lange wrote: > In Cleveland, the CG can stop you and order you to demo anchoring. If you > did it your old way of walking the anchor forward from the lazaret, they > could impound your boat. > > Getting the rode to run through the chock by handling the rode has to be > done even when using the boat design method of dropping the anchor while > seated in the bow pulpit. I wouldn't chance it in rough seas for fear of > losing a finger. Wouldn't want to show that to the CG, either. > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 1:31 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > I wasn?t aware of this Coast Guard requirement, and I haven?t actually > > done this, but I?m pretty confident the system would work in rough seas. > > > > Launching would just be a matter of taking the rode off the track cleat > > just forward of the cockpit. Once that?s done, the anchor drops and the > > rode plays out. Once the anchor is set, and the rode has sufficient > scope, > > I probably would go up on the bow to move the rode from bow roller to the > > bow chock, to avoid putting too much strain on the bow roller. > > > > To retrieve the anchor, I?d have to go to the bow again to shift the rode > > back to the anchor roller, and then return to the cockpit to pull in the > > rode. If rough conditions made pulling in the rode difficult, I?d have > the > > jib sheet winch right there to assist. Once the anchor is up, the rode > > would again be cleated to the track cleat just forward of the cockpit. > > > > This process would clearly be safer and more reliable than the system I > > used to use, which involved wrestling the anchor and rode from the > > lazarette to the bow. > > > > ?Peter > > > > > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Frederick Lange < > sloopblueheron at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > > > Do you know whether your setup allows you to safely and reliably drop > and > > > retrieve the anchor in rough seas, per CG standards? > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 420.PDF Type: application/pdf Size: 2909792 bytes Desc: not available URL: From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 16:14:31 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Frederick Lange) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 16:14:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] questions regarding anchoring system / process In-Reply-To: References: <1595095576162-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <335F8AB0-9617-49F2-98DB-1018A0E4506F@sunnybeeches.com> <990779E5-1355-4399-AC2F-9C98F228A7AD@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Jerry, An anchor may not be required, but if you have one, you better not walk around your boat carrying it or drop it from the stern. Regards, Rick Lange On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:01 PM Jerry Thompson wrote: > Attached is The Boater's Guide To The Federal Requirements For Recreational > Boats. The Rhodes 22 is a recreational vehicle. Page 52 lists required > equipment - the Coast Guard can ding you if something is missing or > non-operational that is listed there. An anchor and rode is not required. > > Page 53 lists recommended equipment and the anchor and rode appears on this > list (personally I want an appropriate anchor and rode aboard with a > spare). > > Page 59 describes anchoring guidelines. > > Thanks, > > Jerry > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:59 PM Frederick Lange > wrote: > > > In Cleveland, the CG can stop you and order you to demo anchoring. If > you > > did it your old way of walking the anchor forward from the lazaret, they > > could impound your boat. > > > > Getting the rode to run through the chock by handling the rode has to be > > done even when using the boat design method of dropping the anchor while > > seated in the bow pulpit. I wouldn't chance it in rough seas for fear of > > losing a finger. Wouldn't want to show that to the CG, either. > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 1:31 PM Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > > > > I wasn?t aware of this Coast Guard requirement, and I haven?t actually > > > done this, but I?m pretty confident the system would work in rough > seas. > > > > > > Launching would just be a matter of taking the rode off the track cleat > > > just forward of the cockpit. Once that?s done, the anchor drops and > the > > > rode plays out. Once the anchor is set, and the rode has sufficient > > scope, > > > I probably would go up on the bow to move the rode from bow roller to > the > > > bow chock, to avoid putting too much strain on the bow roller. > > > > > > To retrieve the anchor, I?d have to go to the bow again to shift the > rode > > > back to the anchor roller, and then return to the cockpit to pull in > the > > > rode. If rough conditions made pulling in the rode difficult, I?d have > > the > > > jib sheet winch right there to assist. Once the anchor is up, the rode > > > would again be cleated to the track cleat just forward of the cockpit. > > > > > > This process would clearly be safer and more reliable than the system I > > > used to use, which involved wrestling the anchor and rode from the > > > lazarette to the bow. > > > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:15 AM, Frederick Lange < > > sloopblueheron at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Peter, > > > > > > > > Do you know whether your setup allows you to safely and reliably drop > > and > > > > retrieve the anchor in rough seas, per CG standards? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 420.PDF > Type: application/pdf > Size: 2909792 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200719/b35c0327/attachment.pdf > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 16:16:19 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:16:19 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] questions regarding anchoring system / process In-Reply-To: <335F8AB0-9617-49F2-98DB-1018A0E4506F@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1595095576162-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <335F8AB0-9617-49F2-98DB-1018A0E4506F@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Peter, thanks for the additional details. I'll reply with an update as the project comes together this fall. As expected, this thread generated some discussion about the merits of different approaches. Like you alluded to, I'm planning on making some modifications specifically to make anchoring easier and safer. On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 8:25 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Jesse, > > On my boat there are three possible ways to run the foresail sheets (port > and starboard). > Outside all shrouds using the aft track and car > Between the upper and lower shrouds using the more forward track and car > Inside all shrouds using the cabin top fairlead and cam cleat > > I thought this arrangement was universal on Rhodes 22?s, but perhaps not. > > I use the aft track at least 95% of the time. I?ve never used the cabin > top fairlead and cleat for the jib sheet. > > Being able to tie off the anchor rode right next to the cabin puts the > rode exactly where I want it to be. It just worked out that way. I suppose > using the aft cleats instead would work too, I?m just not sure exactly how > the rode would run. > > When anchored for the night, the ?painter? is taking the load, but the > rode is tied off to a bow cleat as a back-up. I added two additional bow > cleats, so there?s plenty to choose from. Since the rode is slack, the > location of the cleat is not critical. > > I made my anchor rode ?toggle? from three pieces of 3/4? material glued > together because I have lots of 3/4? oak in my workshop. > > In order to use the West Marine bag for storage, I think you would have to > find a way to suspend it under the combing. I thought about that briefly, > but decided that the approach I took was easier. > > Best of Luck > > ?Peter > > > > On Jul 18, 2020, at 2:06 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Peter, thanks for your quick and detailed response. > > > > I would rather err on the side of caution and add the tubular covering to > > avoid scratches on the deck so I think I'll try the tubular webbing as > well. > > > > On your anchoring system video, I saw that you added a cleat to the jib > > track that runs on deck next to the cabin. My R22 only has the outside > of > > genoa tracks, so I run my jib sheets outside the upper shrouds. I'm > > curious, do you find yourself running the jib sheets inside the upper > > shrouds and using the block on the inside track? I know there is also a > > bulls eye and cam cleat for the jib sheets on top of the cabin on the > > outside edge. I suppose that setup or the inside jib sheet track could > be > > used when using the partially furled jib and trying to point up. The > club > > Santana 20 that we use for match racing has two sets of jib sheet tracks > and > > we select which one to use based on whether we have a 90% jib or a > genoa. > > However, for my R22, I've simply left the jib sheets running on the > outside > > track. Perhaps others could share their experience on this too. From a > > brief search of R22 photos on the internet, it appears that the presence > of > > a set of inside jib sheet tracks is the exception rather than the norm. > > > > I can see where it would be helpful to have a cleat accessible from the > > cabin to tie off the anchor rode. Did you find that the aft cleats (also > > used for stern lines) were insufficient? I wonder if you just wanted to > > leave stern lines tied to those. Perhaps using the aft cleat would be > > inconvenient since it is behind the deck pipe that opens to the front to > > feed the rode into the lazarette. One possibility for my boat would be > to > > add a 6" folding cleat in front of the deck pipe so it would be out of > the > > way when not in use. I tend to sit on the coaming towards the front of > the > > stern rail to hike out when heeling so I want to make sure that space is > > usable. That's the reason I decided not to pursue the rear mounting of > the > > bimini since I thought it could get in the way of sitting in that > position. > > Some other possibilities would be to add a folding cleat where you > mounted > > your cleat on the inside jib sheet track, or I could add a jib sheet > track > > along with a mounted cleat, block, and slider but that gets quite > expensive. > > > > Regarding the quick connect/disconnect, I've found that there are locking > > climbing caribiners rated to over 5600 lbs of load. In your case, I > wonder > > if you could use a more traditional solution (which takes some more time > to > > connect/disconnect) on one side, and use the carabiner connection on the > > other so it wouldn't seem like a hassle to setup. I'm planning to have > my > > Mantus M2 anchor on a roller on the bow with rode stored in the laz like > > your setup, though I may use a locking carbiner and just connect that > when > > getting ready to anchor. For my Fortress FX7 anchor, I plan to store > that > > in the laz. I plan to make some chocks to mount it sideways inside > against > > the forward wall of the lazerette. The rode for that (100' of 3/8" line > > attached to 10' of 5/16" chain) will remain in it's current place, which > is > > a 3 gallon bucket under the starboard settee. I cut the bucket down so > it > > can slide in under the aft section of the bench and then locks in place > > under the shorter section up front so it doesn't come out while heeling. > > > > For the deck pipe to access the rode in the laz, I might get a slightly > > larger size than what you used. The rode that I plan to store there is > 180' > > of 1/2" line connected to 5/16" chain which came with the boat. > Currently > > there is 20' of chain but I will shorten that so it transitions to line > > ahead of wherever I plan to cleat it. > > > > When you're anchored for the night, do you also tie off the anchor rode > > somewhere on the foredeck? Based on my current setup on the foredeck, > which > > includes a Marinco solar vent, and chocks to either side, there's not an > > easy way to direct the line to the cleat in the center of the bow. > > > > I may try your solution for the use of the bow eye using a "painter." > For > > the wood block that you made for this purpose, did you find it easier to > > make out out of several pieces rather than one solid piece? > > > > For storing the rode in the lazarette, I had considered making a sort of > > connector tube that leads to the West Marine rode storage bag that the > rode > > is currently stored in. I think it's the same one you showed in one of > your > > early videos. I suppose I would need to find a good way to attach the > > connector tube to the West Marine bag. Or I could just make a bag like > you > > did. > > > > Those are some of my ideas for now, but the plans will probably continue > to > > evolve before I get started on the project in the fall. Thanks in > advance > > for any advice. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 16:30:10 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:30:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom, The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration depicting the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical batten that is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the thick colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. Forgoing battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms of performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of using IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard of anyone else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast would be large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including vertical battens. I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have used those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability to raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin going through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option on a larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high boom normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind up high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 vs. a larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the archives > for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the > system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical or > horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden > description? > https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main > > It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. > > > -- > Tom Van Heule > Intrinsic Programs > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > +1 303 525 5266 > From jayf401 at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 18:42:30 2020 From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 18:42:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Tom, I opted to work with Evolution Sails in 2014, may be still in Easton, MD., Scott Gibbs was the contact. They were good to work with, and the design was unique for our boat, straight leech, and 2 vertical battens, 1/4? round fiberglass rods, roughly at thirds, see attached photo, if it doesn?t get stripped away. Although I had some tweaks (more cosmetic than design- extended UV cover, tack line, R22 numbers, etc.) in the beginning, it?s performed flawlessly, especially this past year with Stan?s new outhaul car. I went through 2 previous outhaul car designs over the last 6 years, which made it a little difficult to reef and furl in. The angle of the boom is critical to it?s compactness in the mast, and it?s original stiffness took a few weeks to settle in. Over the battenless version, I reef & furl on a port tack, although it goes right in when in irons or light winds (6-8 kts.) on starboard tack. It?s about the same size and was the same cost as the Doyle version, and about the same area UV cover. It is much stiffer than the single batten. If you ever in the Ocean County, NJ /Long Beach Island area, I go out at least 3-4 times a week, now with masks, so a test sail is always available. Jay Friedland S/V Wanderlust, ?97 On Jul 19, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: Hi Tom, The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration depicting the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical batten that is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the thick colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. Forgoing battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms of performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of using IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard of anyone else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast would be large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including vertical battens. I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have used those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability to raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin going through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option on a larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high boom normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind up high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 vs. a larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the archives for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical or horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden description? https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: R22.Vertical Battens.2017-10-04.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2333129 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tavares0947 at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 19:45:45 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 19:45:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: My son is a web dev and said every website should have SSL..and its free. But he said the latest is TLS(?). Todd T tavares0947 at gmail.com On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:05 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Tom, > > You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I suspect that > this is a subject near and dear to your heart. But I don?t understand why > you think we should have it. The website isn?t doing e-commerce or > anything. Could you elaborate? > > Thanks, > Peter > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something > that > > there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is where > > Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to update > > nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of > all > > the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have no > > SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is > free > > and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. > > > > Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. Thank > > you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) > > > > aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps > > there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - > really > > most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? > > > > Happy Friday all - > > Tom > > > > > Tom Van Heule > > Intrinsic Programs > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > +1 303 525 5266 > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 22:24:36 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 22:24:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup, Have used both and let me tell you the R22 furles a lot easier! I think about it every time I furl the big one on the Catalina. I do miss my Rhodes. Just paid the insurance on it even though I am not sailing it (required) but it is so cheap I don't mind. One of the reasons I spent so much money (more than I paid for the boat) to ship it over to Greece was because of the IMF. Thanks again to Stan for coming up with this marvelous feature! Chris Geankoplis SV ENOSIS On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:30 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Tom, > > The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration depicting > the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical batten that > is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the thick > colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. Forgoing > battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms of > performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of using > IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the > traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller > furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard of anyone > else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast would be > large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including > vertical battens. > > I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have used > those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability to > raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin going > through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option on a > larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high boom > normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind up > high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. > Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. > > Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 vs. a > larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the archives > > for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the > > system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical or > > horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden > > description? > > https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main > > > > It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. > > > > > > -- > > Tom Van Heule > > Intrinsic Programs > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > +1 303 525 5266 > > > From mike at traildesign.com Sun Jul 19 22:30:32 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 21:30:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That's a really good looking sail Jay. Looking at the photo, I'm curious about a couple things. First, did you have a Doyle before having the Evolution made for your boat? And can you tell a noticable difference with the extra batten? Michael Riter SV Emma B On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 5:42 PM Jay Friedland wrote: > Hi, Tom, > I opted to work with Evolution Sails in 2014, may be still in Easton, MD., > Scott Gibbs was the contact. They were good to work with, and the design > was unique for our boat, straight leech, and 2 vertical battens, 1/4? round > fiberglass rods, roughly at thirds, see attached photo, if it doesn?t get > stripped away. > > Although I had some tweaks (more cosmetic than design- extended UV cover, > tack line, R22 numbers, etc.) in the beginning, it?s performed flawlessly, > especially this past year with Stan?s new outhaul car. I went through 2 > previous outhaul car designs over the last 6 years, which made it a little > difficult to reef and furl in. The angle of the boom is critical to it?s > compactness in the mast, and it?s original stiffness took a few weeks to > settle in. > > Over the battenless version, I reef & furl on a port tack, although it goes > right in when in irons or light winds (6-8 kts.) on starboard tack. It?s > about the same size and was the same cost as the Doyle version, and about > the same area UV cover. It is much stiffer than the single batten. If you > ever in the Ocean County, NJ /Long Beach Island area, I go out at least 3-4 > times a week, now with masks, so a test sail is always available. > > Jay Friedland > S/V Wanderlust, ?97 > > > > > > > On Jul 19, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration depicting > the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical batten that > is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the thick > colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. Forgoing > battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms of > performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of using > IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the > traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller > furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard of anyone > else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast would be > large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including > vertical battens. > > I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have used > those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability to > raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin going > through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option on a > larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high boom > normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind up > high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. > Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. > > Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 vs. a > larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the archives > for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the > system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical or > horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden > description? > https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main > > It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. > > > -- > Tom Van Heule > Intrinsic Programs > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > +1 303 525 5266 > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: R22.Vertical Battens.2017-10-04.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2333129 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200719/7ed8ab90/attachment.jpg > > > From hnw555 at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 23:36:52 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 23:36:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: He's right. TLS 1.2 is the current standard and has replaced SSL. Folks still use SSL as the general term, though. On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 19:46 Todd Tavares wrote: > My son is a web dev and said every website should have SSL..and its free. > But he said the latest is TLS(?). > > Todd T > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:05 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > > > Tom, > > > > You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I suspect that > > this is a subject near and dear to your heart. But I don?t understand > why > > you think we should have it. The website isn?t doing e-commerce or > > anything. Could you elaborate? > > > > Thanks, > > Peter > > > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something > > that > > > there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is > where > > > Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to > update > > > nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of > > all > > > the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have > no > > > SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is > > free > > > and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. > > > > > > Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. > Thank > > > you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) > > > > > > aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps > > > there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - > > really > > > most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? > > > > > > Happy Friday all - > > > Tom > > > > > > > > Tom Van Heule > > > Intrinsic Programs > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > > +1 303 525 5266 > > > > > From jayf401 at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 06:41:41 2020 From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 06:41:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D434BA4-3E28-4408-85E4-98B430F05BBF@gmail.com> Michael, I had the original battenless Doyle Sails that I upgraded from. Against other R22s w/ the Doyle sail with a batten, this seems stiffer especially now that it has 6 years of heavy use on it. The difference on the old Doyle and new Doyle is the most significant change though. Jay > On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Mike Riter wrote: > > ?That's a really good looking sail Jay. Looking at the photo, I'm curious > about a couple things. First, did you have a Doyle before having the > Evolution made for your boat? And can you tell a noticable difference with > the extra batten? > > Michael Riter > SV Emma B > > > > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 5:42 PM Jay Friedland wrote: >> >> Hi, Tom, >> I opted to work with Evolution Sails in 2014, may be still in Easton, MD., >> Scott Gibbs was the contact. They were good to work with, and the design >> was unique for our boat, straight leech, and 2 vertical battens, 1/4? round >> fiberglass rods, roughly at thirds, see attached photo, if it doesn?t get >> stripped away. >> >> Although I had some tweaks (more cosmetic than design- extended UV cover, >> tack line, R22 numbers, etc.) in the beginning, it?s performed flawlessly, >> especially this past year with Stan?s new outhaul car. I went through 2 >> previous outhaul car designs over the last 6 years, which made it a little >> difficult to reef and furl in. The angle of the boom is critical to it?s >> compactness in the mast, and it?s original stiffness took a few weeks to >> settle in. >> >> Over the battenless version, I reef & furl on a port tack, although it goes >> right in when in irons or light winds (6-8 kts.) on starboard tack. It?s >> about the same size and was the same cost as the Doyle version, and about >> the same area UV cover. It is much stiffer than the single batten. If you >> ever in the Ocean County, NJ /Long Beach Island area, I go out at least 3-4 >> times a week, now with masks, so a test sail is always available. >> >> Jay Friedland >> S/V Wanderlust, ?97 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 19, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration depicting >> the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical batten that >> is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the thick >> colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. Forgoing >> battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms of >> performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of using >> IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the >> traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller >> furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard of anyone >> else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast would be >> large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including >> vertical battens. >> >> I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have used >> those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability to >> raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin going >> through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option on a >> larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high boom >> normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind up >> high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. >> Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. >> >> Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 vs. a >> larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the archives >> for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the >> system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical or >> horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden >> description? >> https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main >> >> It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. >> >> >> -- >> Tom Van Heule >> Intrinsic Programs >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com >> +1 303 525 5266 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: R22.Vertical Battens.2017-10-04.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 2333129 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200719/7ed8ab90/attachment.jpg >>> >> From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 07:11:05 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 06:11:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: <6D434BA4-3E28-4408-85E4-98B430F05BBF@gmail.com> References: <6D434BA4-3E28-4408-85E4-98B430F05BBF@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jay, thanks for sharing about your vertical battened main. It sounds like that has worked out well. Is your Evolution sail about the same thickness as the Doyle main? Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 5:41 AM Jay Friedland wrote: > Michael, > I had the original battenless Doyle Sails that I upgraded from. Against > other R22s w/ the Doyle sail with a batten, this seems stiffer especially > now that it has 6 years of heavy use on it. The difference on the old Doyle > and new Doyle is the most significant change though. > > Jay > > > On Jul 19, 2020, at 10:31 PM, Mike Riter wrote: > > > > ?That's a really good looking sail Jay. Looking at the photo, I'm curious > > about a couple things. First, did you have a Doyle before having the > > Evolution made for your boat? And can you tell a noticable difference > with > > the extra batten? > > > > Michael Riter > > SV Emma B > > > > > > > > > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 5:42 PM Jay Friedland > wrote: > >> > >> Hi, Tom, > >> I opted to work with Evolution Sails in 2014, may be still in Easton, > MD., > >> Scott Gibbs was the contact. They were good to work with, and the design > >> was unique for our boat, straight leech, and 2 vertical battens, 1/4? > round > >> fiberglass rods, roughly at thirds, see attached photo, if it doesn?t > get > >> stripped away. > >> > >> Although I had some tweaks (more cosmetic than design- extended UV > cover, > >> tack line, R22 numbers, etc.) in the beginning, it?s performed > flawlessly, > >> especially this past year with Stan?s new outhaul car. I went through 2 > >> previous outhaul car designs over the last 6 years, which made it a > little > >> difficult to reef and furl in. The angle of the boom is critical to it?s > >> compactness in the mast, and it?s original stiffness took a few weeks to > >> settle in. > >> > >> Over the battenless version, I reef & furl on a port tack, although it > goes > >> right in when in irons or light winds (6-8 kts.) on starboard tack. It?s > >> about the same size and was the same cost as the Doyle version, and > about > >> the same area UV cover. It is much stiffer than the single batten. If > you > >> ever in the Ocean County, NJ /Long Beach Island area, I go out at least > 3-4 > >> times a week, now with masks, so a test sail is always available. > >> > >> Jay Friedland > >> S/V Wanderlust, ?97 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jul 19, 2020, at 4:30 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Tom, > >> > >> The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration > depicting > >> the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical batten > that > >> is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the > thick > >> colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. Forgoing > >> battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms of > >> performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of using > >> IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the > >> traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller > >> furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard of > anyone > >> else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast would > be > >> large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including > >> vertical battens. > >> > >> I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have used > >> those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability to > >> raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin going > >> through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option on a > >> larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high boom > >> normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind up > >> high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. > >> Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. > >> > >> Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 vs. a > >> larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > >> > >> Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the archives > >> for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the > >> system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical > or > >> horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden > >> description? > >> https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main > >> > >> It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Tom Van Heule > >> Intrinsic Programs > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > >> +1 303 525 5266 > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: R22.Vertical Battens.2017-10-04.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 2333129 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200719/7ed8ab90/attachment.jpg > >>> > >> > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 07:20:12 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 06:20:12 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, one thing that I've noticed about IMF on larger boats is that the foot does not appear to be horizontal. Instead it appears to be cut a bit like jib in that the clue is higher than the tack. I assume that might be so that the foot doesn't bunch up on top of itself as it furls so it doesn't take up too much room in the mast. As a result of this it appears that the boom is always at an angle for the IMF on larger boats. On your Catalina, do you furl it by hand, does it require a winch or is there an electric winch? Overall, do you like the IMF on the larger boat as well? One other note, does the IMF on the R22 require any maintenance such as lubrication? On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 9:24 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Yup, Have used both and let me tell you the R22 furles a lot easier! I > think about it every time I furl the big one on the Catalina. I do miss my > Rhodes. Just paid the insurance on it even though I am not sailing it > (required) but it is so cheap I don't mind. One of the reasons I spent so > much money (more than I paid for the boat) to ship it over to Greece was > because of the IMF. Thanks again to Stan for coming up with this > marvelous feature! > > Chris Geankoplis > SV ENOSIS > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:30 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > > The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration depicting > > the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical batten that > > is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the thick > > colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. Forgoing > > battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms of > > performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of using > > IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the > > traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller > > furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard of > anyone > > else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast would > be > > large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including > > vertical battens. > > > > I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have used > > those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability to > > raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin going > > through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option on a > > larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high boom > > normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind up > > high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. > > Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. > > > > Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 vs. a > > larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the > archives > > > for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the > > > system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical > or > > > horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden > > > description? > > > https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main > > > > > > It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Tom Van Heule > > > Intrinsic Programs > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > > +1 303 525 5266 > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 07:29:07 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 06:29:07 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter, while we're on the topic of IMF, I'm curious if you are pleased with your rigging changes for the outhaul and furler as described in your rigging changes video (https://youtu.be/YS1MIEcvkPs). When you took off the tabernacle (mast base) to put the halyard organizer underneath so you could hang blocks off of that, was that difficult to do? I was curious if it was as simple as loosening the bolts, removing the tabernacle, adding the organizer and putting the tabernacle back on. What sort of bedding did you use underneath the halyard organizer? Thanks for the info. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the archives > for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the > system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical or > horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden > description? > https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main > > It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. > > > -- > Tom Van Heule > Intrinsic Programs > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > +1 303 525 5266 > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 08:15:00 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 08:15:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes Jesse, On the Catalina, the sail is cut differently than on the Rhodes a bit, and no vertical battens so no real roach. That being said, one of the main reasons that we went with this particular boat was the IMF. For our use and lifestyle, the slight loss of a bit of speed, matters not. Furling both in and out is done with a manual winch on a port tack. Sometimes it is reluctant to unfurl as it picks up a wrinkle or two and requires me to go forward and shake it out. The sail is old and has been recut a bit (lost a foot of the leach due to sun damage). So we have 43 sq. ft. less sail area than a regular main. Going to get a new sail soon which I understand will not have this problem. Just like on the Rhodes, we don't fall into the trap of waiting too long to reef in hopes the squall will go away. We reef before it is too late and that is a real plus safety wise. Not sure what we are going to do this winter as the Bahamas has closed their country to all American vessels (and planes)........a wise precaution considering the situation here in the U.S. Chris Geankoplis S?V ENOSIS On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:20 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Chris, one thing that I've noticed about IMF on larger boats is that the > foot does not appear to be horizontal. Instead it appears to be cut a bit > like jib in that the clue is higher than the tack. I assume that might be > so that the foot doesn't bunch up on top of itself as it furls so it > doesn't take up too much room in the mast. As a result of this it appears > that the boom is always at an angle for the IMF on larger boats. On your > Catalina, do you furl it by hand, does it require a winch or is there an > electric winch? Overall, do you like the IMF on the larger boat as well? > > One other note, does the IMF on the R22 require any maintenance such as > lubrication? > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 9:24 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Yup, Have used both and let me tell you the R22 furles a lot easier! I > > think about it every time I furl the big one on the Catalina. I do miss > my > > Rhodes. Just paid the insurance on it even though I am not sailing it > > (required) but it is so cheap I don't mind. One of the reasons I spent > so > > much money (more than I paid for the boat) to ship it over to Greece was > > because of the IMF. Thanks again to Stan for coming up with this > > marvelous feature! > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > SV ENOSIS > > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:30 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration > depicting > > > the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical batten > that > > > is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the > thick > > > colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. > Forgoing > > > battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms of > > > performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of using > > > IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the > > > traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller > > > furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard of > > anyone > > > else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast would > > be > > > large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including > > > vertical battens. > > > > > > I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have > used > > > those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability to > > > raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin > going > > > through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option on a > > > larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high > boom > > > normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind > up > > > high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. > > > Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. > > > > > > Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 vs. a > > > larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the > > archives > > > > for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the > > > > system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? > vertical > > or > > > > horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden > > > > description? > > > > https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main > > > > > > > > It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Tom Van Heule > > > > Intrinsic Programs > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > > > +1 303 525 5266 > > > > > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 08:24:24 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 07:24:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, thanks for the info. As you mentioned, the convenience of the IMF makes a big difference. I think that's one of the reasons my wife likes the R22. I consider myself lucky that my wife likes to go sailing since there are a number of people at our local club where their significant other doesn't have an interest in spending time on their boat and considers sailing to be too much of a hassle. Good luck with the winter plans. For so many reasons, hopefully things improve sooner rather than later regarding the pandemic. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:15 AM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Yes Jesse, > On the Catalina, the sail is cut differently than on the Rhodes a bit, > and no vertical battens so no real roach. That being said, one of the main > reasons that we went with this particular boat was the IMF. For our use > and lifestyle, the slight loss of a bit of speed, matters not. Furling > both in and out is done with a manual winch on a port tack. Sometimes it > is reluctant to unfurl as it picks up a wrinkle or two and requires me to > go forward and shake it out. The sail is old and has been recut a bit > (lost a foot of the leach due to sun damage). So we have 43 sq. ft. less > sail area than a regular main. Going to get a new sail soon which > I understand will not have this problem. Just like on the Rhodes, we don't > fall into the trap of waiting too long to reef in hopes the squall will go > away. We reef before it is too late and that is a real plus safety wise. > Not sure what we are going to do this winter as the Bahamas has closed > their country to all American vessels (and planes)........a wise precaution > considering the situation here in the U.S. > > Chris Geankoplis > S?V ENOSIS > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:20 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Chris, one thing that I've noticed about IMF on larger boats is that the > > foot does not appear to be horizontal. Instead it appears to be cut a > bit > > like jib in that the clue is higher than the tack. I assume that might > be > > so that the foot doesn't bunch up on top of itself as it furls so it > > doesn't take up too much room in the mast. As a result of this it > appears > > that the boom is always at an angle for the IMF on larger boats. On your > > Catalina, do you furl it by hand, does it require a winch or is there an > > electric winch? Overall, do you like the IMF on the larger boat as well? > > > > One other note, does the IMF on the R22 require any maintenance such as > > lubrication? > > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 9:24 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Yup, Have used both and let me tell you the R22 furles a lot easier! I > > > think about it every time I furl the big one on the Catalina. I do > miss > > my > > > Rhodes. Just paid the insurance on it even though I am not sailing it > > > (required) but it is so cheap I don't mind. One of the reasons I spent > > so > > > much money (more than I paid for the boat) to ship it over to Greece > was > > > because of the IMF. Thanks again to Stan for coming up with this > > > marvelous feature! > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > SV ENOSIS > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:30 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > > > The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration > > depicting > > > > the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical batten > > that > > > > is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the > > thick > > > > colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. > > Forgoing > > > > battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms > of > > > > performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of > using > > > > IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the > > > > traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller > > > > furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard of > > > anyone > > > > else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast > would > > > be > > > > large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including > > > > vertical battens. > > > > > > > > I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have > > used > > > > those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability > to > > > > raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin > > going > > > > through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option > on a > > > > larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high > > boom > > > > normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind > > up > > > > high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. > > > > Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. > > > > > > > > Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 > vs. a > > > > larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the > > > archives > > > > > for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining > the > > > > > system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? > > vertical > > > or > > > > > horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden > > > > > description? > > > > > > https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main > > > > > > > > > > It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Tom Van Heule > > > > > Intrinsic Programs > > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > > > > +1 303 525 5266 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 08:49:42 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 05:49:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out Haul Car Solutions In-Reply-To: <1595103486601-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1595103486601-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1595249382496-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Original Broken Car 3.JPG Jury Rig with Slug 1.JPG Machined Car 2.JPG ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jsail1 at verizon.net Mon Jul 20 09:10:34 2020 From: jsail1 at verizon.net (JAY FRIEDLAND) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:10:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8DBBFF04-D740-4369-8376-1AEE3CEA9812@verizon.net> Yes, as I remember oz. equivalent. I will try to find the original paperwork. Jay > On Jul 20, 2020, at 7:20 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > Chris, one thing that I've noticed about IMF on larger boats is that the > foot does not appear to be horizontal. Instead it appears to be cut a bit > like jib in that the clue is higher than the tack. I assume that might be > so that the foot doesn't bunch up on top of itself as it furls so it > doesn't take up too much room in the mast. As a result of this it appears > that the boom is always at an angle for the IMF on larger boats. On your > Catalina, do you furl it by hand, does it require a winch or is there an > electric winch? Overall, do you like the IMF on the larger boat as well? > > One other note, does the IMF on the R22 require any maintenance such as > lubrication? > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 9:24 PM Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > >> Yup, Have used both and let me tell you the R22 furles a lot easier! I >> think about it every time I furl the big one on the Catalina. I do miss my >> Rhodes. Just paid the insurance on it even though I am not sailing it >> (required) but it is so cheap I don't mind. One of the reasons I spent so >> much money (more than I paid for the boat) to ship it over to Greece was >> because of the IMF. Thanks again to Stan for coming up with this >> marvelous feature! >> >> Chris Geankoplis >> SV ENOSIS >> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:30 PM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom, >>> >>> The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration depicting >>> the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical batten that >>> is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the thick >>> colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. Forgoing >>> battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms of >>> performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of using >>> IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the >>> traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom roller >>> furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard of >> anyone >>> else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast would >> be >>> large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail including >>> vertical battens. >>> >>> I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have used >>> those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the ability to >>> raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin going >>> through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option on a >>> larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high boom >>> normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most wind up >>> high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. >>> Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. >>> >>> Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 vs. a >>> larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. >>> >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the >> archives >>>> for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining the >>>> system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? vertical >> or >>>> horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the Selden >>>> description? >>>> https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main >>>> >>>> It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tom Van Heule >>>> Intrinsic Programs >>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com >>>> +1 303 525 5266 >>>> >>> >> From lgioia at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 09:21:13 2020 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:21:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From our experience with my small company?s website: - the reason we use it is clients require it because they enter passwords and use of SSL encrypts them. Not an issue to the Rhodes site. Another reason is other sites that link to us prefer it to be an https link - again probably not an issue to the Rhodes site. - SSL is free, but a digital SSL certificate is needed from a certificate authority - the cheapest we found is GoDaddy.com, $64 first year, $80/yr thereafter. To avoid the charge you can self-sign your certificate but website users will get a message saying this site uses a self-signed certificate- be sure you trust them. Makes people a little nervous. I?m no expert on this, it?s just what we found and do - perhaps there are now new free methods. Larry ?14 R22 Language of Love ?86 R22 > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Hank wrote: > > ?He's right. TLS 1.2 is the current standard and has replaced SSL. Folks > still use SSL as the general term, though. > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 19:46 Todd Tavares wrote: >> >> My son is a web dev and said every website should have SSL..and its free. >> But he said the latest is TLS(?). >> >> Todd T >> >> tavares0947 at gmail.com >> >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:05 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: >>> >>> Tom, >>> >>> You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I suspect that >>> this is a subject near and dear to your heart. But I don?t understand >> why >>> you think we should have it. The website isn?t doing e-commerce or >>> anything. Could you elaborate? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Peter >>> >>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule < >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something >>> that >>>> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is >> where >>>> Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to >> update >>>> nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of >>> all >>>> the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have >> no >>>> SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is >>> free >>>> and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. >>>> >>>> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. >> Thank >>>> you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) >>>> >>>> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - perhaps >>>> there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - >>> really >>>> most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? >>>> >>>> Happy Friday all - >>>> Tom >>> >>>> >>>> Tom Van Heule >>>> Intrinsic Programs >>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com >>>> +1 303 525 5266 >>> >>> >> From ruckc at yahoo.com Mon Jul 20 10:18:06 2020 From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:18:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You can get free legitimate certificates signed by the https://letsencrypt.org/ project, though it's designed to be automated with certbot, acme.sh, or another acme protocol client. It is fairly easy to setup. -- Curtis On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:21 AM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > From our experience with my small company?s website: > > - the reason we use it is clients require it because they enter passwords > and use of SSL encrypts them. Not an issue to the Rhodes site. Another > reason is other sites that link to us prefer it to be an https link - again > probably not an issue to the Rhodes site. > - SSL is free, but a digital SSL certificate is needed from a certificate > authority - the cheapest we found is GoDaddy.com, $64 first year, $80/yr > thereafter. To avoid the charge you can self-sign your certificate but > website users will get a message saying this site uses a self-signed > certificate- be sure you trust them. Makes people a little nervous. > > I?m no expert on this, it?s just what we found and do - perhaps there are > now new free methods. > > Larry > ?14 R22 Language of Love > ?86 R22 > > > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Hank wrote: > > > > ?He's right. TLS 1.2 is the current standard and has replaced SSL. Folks > > still use SSL as the general term, though. > > > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 19:46 Todd Tavares wrote: > >> > >> My son is a web dev and said every website should have SSL..and its > free. > >> But he said the latest is TLS(?). > >> > >> Todd T > >> > >> tavares0947 at gmail.com > >> > >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:05 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > >>> > >>> Tom, > >>> > >>> You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I suspect that > >>> this is a subject near and dear to your heart. But I don?t understand > >> why > >>> you think we should have it. The website isn?t doing e-commerce or > >>> anything. Could you elaborate? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Peter > >>> > >>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule < > >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - something > >>> that > >>>> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is > >> where > >>>> Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to > >> update > >>>> nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI of > >>> all > >>>> the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site have > >> no > >>>> SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is > >>> free > >>>> and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. > >>>> > >>>> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. > >> Thank > >>>> you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) > >>>> > >>>> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - > perhaps > >>>> there is a content discovery tool we can run against the archives - > >>> really > >>>> most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? > >>>> > >>>> Happy Friday all - > >>>> Tom > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Tom Van Heule > >>>> Intrinsic Programs > >>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > >>>> +1 303 525 5266 > >>> > >>> > >> > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Jul 20 10:39:44 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:39:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004001d65ea3$9d29c990$d77d5cb0$@ebsmed.com> Should we require SSL or TLS for the website is an interesting question. The website itself does not require login or passwords, at least at this time. The only exception to this policy is access to the email list. The mailman pages require that a user maintain a password which is used to access the archives or change mail delivery options. As far as real security on mailman, it must be noted that all of our posts are available through google.com searches which means that there is no real privacy of content. The same is probably true for the nabble site. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:21 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? >From our experience with my small company?s website: - the reason we use it is clients require it because they enter passwords and use of SSL encrypts them. Not an issue to the Rhodes site. Another reason is other sites that link to us prefer it to be an https link - again probably not an issue to the Rhodes site. - SSL is free, but a digital SSL certificate is needed from a certificate authority - the cheapest we found is GoDaddy.com, $64 first year, $80/yr thereafter. To avoid the charge you can self-sign your certificate but website users will get a message saying this site uses a self-signed certificate- be sure you trust them. Makes people a little nervous. I?m no expert on this, it?s just what we found and do - perhaps there are now new free methods. Larry ?14 R22 Language of Love ?86 R22 > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Hank wrote: > > ?He's right. TLS 1.2 is the current standard and has replaced SSL. > Folks still use SSL as the general term, though. > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 19:46 Todd Tavares wrote: >> >> My son is a web dev and said every website should have SSL..and its free. >> But he said the latest is TLS(?). >> >> Todd T >> >> tavares0947 at gmail.com >> >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:05 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: >>> >>> Tom, >>> >>> You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I suspect >>> that this is a subject near and dear to your heart. But I don?t >>> understand >> why >>> you think we should have it. The website isn?t doing e-commerce or >>> anything. Could you elaborate? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Peter >>> >>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule < >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - >>>> something >>> that >>>> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is >> where >>>> Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to >> update >>>> nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI >>>> of >>> all >>>> the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site >>>> have >> no >>>> SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this >>>> is >>> free >>>> and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. >>>> >>>> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. >> Thank >>>> you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) >>>> >>>> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - >>>> perhaps there is a content discovery tool we can run against the >>>> archives - >>> really >>>> most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? >>>> >>>> Happy Friday all - >>>> Tom >>> >>>> >>>> Tom Van Heule >>>> Intrinsic Programs >>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com >>>> +1 303 525 5266 >>> >>> >> From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Jul 20 10:41:15 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:41:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <004101d65ea3$d3258520$79708f60$@ebsmed.com> Luis, I looked at the public repository for the open source nabble forum system. I am sure that, with help from those that are really skilled in this kind of technology, we could implement a version of nabble on our www.rhodes22.org AWS server, giving us full control over the use of and archiving of the information. I have always liked the nabble interface for searching and simplicity of access. Since nabble has a built in ability to post to Mailman lists, we could conceivable operate both on a single server, I think. The documentation for nabble is very limited and the original support team seems to have given up and moved on to other things. Do we have enough information to set up and maintain nabble on our own? Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Luis Guzman Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 11:08 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? Nablle is now open source. So, I should be able to get it running on my servers and figure out how everything work. Then, I think that I should be able to move the data to the new server to export it to something else, or write code to extract data and use it in a new web site. Nabble is written in Java, and I?m familiar with it. I?ll download the software and install it on my servers. I?ll let everyone know how it goes. Luis A. Guzm?n II S/V Aquetxali > On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > Nabble is an independent outfit I don't believe we have any control over it. > > Peter, this looks good. I haven't looked all the way through but hope the FAQ (which was archival material rescued from an earlier website) is fully represented. > > BTW I think the current webpage was renovated by a teenager some 15 years ago. I don't really remember all the details and of course haven't been paying close attention here as we no longer have the boat. > > Glad to see the initiative though. > > Mary Lou > > On 7/17/2020 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - >> something that there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but >> the entirety is where Peter indicated. I would like to see someone >> who knows be able to update nabble to get ALL the data (or find >> another way to modernize the UI of all the archives). Also Nabble, >> and for that matter our current site have no SSL certification. >> https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is free and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. >> >> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. >> Thank you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of >> mine) >> >> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - >> perhaps there is a content discovery tool we can run against the >> archives - really most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? >> >> Happy Friday all - >> Tom >> >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:06 AM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Looks good Peter! The photo on the main page represents the R22 well. >>> Thanks for taking the initiative on this. As you mentioned, the >>> reference pages and photo gallery have content worth keeping. >>> >>> On the Email List page, I see that there is a way to access the archives. >>> I had been using the search feature on Nabble instead. Perhaps it >>> is worth linking to http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ as well >>> so people can search and don't have to comb through the archives >>> manually. However, you would probably want to make a disclaimer >>> about the preferred method to post via email so that the attachments >>> are kept with the email list rather than Nabble. >>> >>> Under the document library, perhaps we could post additional >>> checklists such as updated versions of mast raising and mast >>> lowering checklists. My versions of those checklists (started by >>> copying from others) have evolved a bit with practice at the >>> process. When first becoming a sailboat owner, mast >>> raising/lowering can be a bit intimidating. I'm so glad my boat came with the GB mast raising system. >>> >>> Thanks for your work on the website! >>> >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:52 PM Peter Nyberg >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been >>> playing >>>> around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a >>>> new Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. >>>> >>>> Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer >>> programmer, >>>> wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a >>>> website developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website development. >>>> But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any >>>> tricks of the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that >>>> the work I have done could be expanded on and maintained by other non-professionals. >>>> >>>> Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. >>>> >>>> I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created >>>> entirely new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the >>>> page with the email list charter, without, I hope, changing the >>>> spirit of the contents >>> at >>>> all. >>>> >>>> What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), >>>> I?ve renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is >>>> valuable, and >>> will >>>> take some work to convert to a new format. >>>> >>>> For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able >>>> to get to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On >>>> the home page, the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which >>>> will display the >>> base >>>> CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. >>>> >>>> The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on >>> January >>>> 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I agree. >>>> I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) >>>> is >>>> here: >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc >>> 71507/attachment.tiff >>>> < >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc >>> 71507/attachment.tiff >>>> Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal >>>> domain, and you can take a look at it here: >>>> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < >>>> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> >>>> >>>> Enjoy, >>>> >>>> Peter Nyberg >>>> Coventry, CT >>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Jul 20 10:56:43 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 09:56:43 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: <004001d65ea3$9d29c990$d77d5cb0$@ebsmed.com> References: <004001d65ea3$9d29c990$d77d5cb0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: I did setup a discord : https://discord.gg/MbpR9Q for discussing nuts and bolts of the website - it seems we are happy to discuss here. (and I wont delete the discord ever...) As some have said - we would like to have some protected areas of the site and getting encrypted is table stakes for a new build today. I suggest we keep it as free and secure as possible, until we start selling merchandise :) Then we get Stan a new revenue stream. I agree with Michael here- the amount of data should be obfuscated from the public. It sounds like there are several of us around who know what brute forcing means - and this could all be taken from us in a matter of minutes... we don't want to put the 20+ years of info at risk like that (fear mongering , apologies). But that being said - I think I might call Stott for my remodel - the info is useful! Have a great Monday, Tom On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:39 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Should we require SSL or TLS for the website is an interesting question. > > The website itself does not require login or passwords, at least at this > time. The only exception to this policy is access to the email list. The > mailman pages require that a user maintain a password which is used to > access the archives or change mail delivery options. As far as real > security on mailman, it must be noted that all of our posts are available > through google.com searches which means that there is no real privacy of > content. The same is probably true for the nabble site. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:21 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? > > From our experience with my small company?s website: > > - the reason we use it is clients require it because they enter passwords > and use of SSL encrypts them. Not an issue to the Rhodes site. Another > reason is other sites that link to us prefer it to be an https link - again > probably not an issue to the Rhodes site. > - SSL is free, but a digital SSL certificate is needed from a certificate > authority - the cheapest we found is GoDaddy.com, $64 first year, $80/yr > thereafter. To avoid the charge you can self-sign your certificate but > website users will get a message saying this site uses a self-signed > certificate- be sure you trust them. Makes people a little nervous. > > I?m no expert on this, it?s just what we found and do - perhaps there are > now new free methods. > > Larry > ?14 R22 Language of Love > ?86 R22 > > > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Hank wrote: > > > > ?He's right. TLS 1.2 is the current standard and has replaced SSL. > > Folks still use SSL as the general term, though. > > > >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 19:46 Todd Tavares wrote: > >> > >> My son is a web dev and said every website should have SSL..and its > free. > >> But he said the latest is TLS(?). > >> > >> Todd T > >> > >> tavares0947 at gmail.com > >> > >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:05 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > >>> > >>> Tom, > >>> > >>> You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I suspect > >>> that this is a subject near and dear to your heart. But I don?t > >>> understand > >> why > >>> you think we should have it. The website isn?t doing e-commerce or > >>> anything. Could you elaborate? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Peter > >>> > >>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule < > >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - > >>>> something > >>> that > >>>> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is > >> where > >>>> Peter indicated. I would like to see someone who knows be able to > >> update > >>>> nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI > >>>> of > >>> all > >>>> the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site > >>>> have > >> no > >>>> SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this > >>>> is > >>> free > >>>> and legit - but someone with access needs to go through. > >>>> > >>>> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. > >> Thank > >>>> you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine) > >>>> > >>>> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - > >>>> perhaps there is a content discovery tool we can run against the > >>>> archives - > >>> really > >>>> most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? > >>>> > >>>> Happy Friday all - > >>>> Tom > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Tom Van Heule > >>>> Intrinsic Programs > >>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > >>>> +1 303 525 5266 > >>> > >>> > >> > > -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From mweisner at ebsmed.com Mon Jul 20 13:09:55 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 13:09:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: IMHO, I would prefer not to sell merchandise on the owner's site. I always thought the point was to avoid commercialization.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91) -------- Original message --------From: Tom Van Heule Date: 7/20/20 10:56 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? I did setup a discord : https://discord.gg/MbpR9Q for discussing nuts andbolts of the website - it seems we are happy to discuss here.?? (and I wontdelete the discord ever...)As some have said - we would like to have some protected areas of the siteand getting encrypted is table stakes for a new build today.I suggest we keep it as free and secure as possible, until we start sellingmerchandise :) Then we get Stan a new revenue stream.I agree with Michael here- the amount of data should be obfuscated from thepublic.??? It sounds like there are several of us around who know whatbrute forcing means - and this could all be taken from us in a matter ofminutes... we don't want to put the 20+ years of info at risk like that(fear mongering , apologies).But that being said - I think I might call Stott for my remodel - the infois useful!Have a great Monday,TomOn Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:39 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote:> Should we require SSL or TLS for the website is an interesting question.>> The website itself does not require login or passwords, at least at this> time. The only exception to this policy is access to the email list. The> mailman pages require that a user maintain a password which is used to> access the archives or change mail delivery options. As far as real> security on mailman, it must be noted that all of our posts are available> through google.com searches which means that there is no real privacy of> content. The same is probably true for the nabble site.>> Mike> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NY>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of> Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:21 AM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL?>> From our experience with my small company?s website:>> - the reason we use it is clients require it because they enter passwords> and use of SSL encrypts them. Not an issue to the Rhodes site. Another> reason is other sites that link to us prefer it to be an https link - again> probably not an issue to the Rhodes site.> - SSL is free, but a digital SSL certificate is needed from a certificate> authority - the cheapest we found is GoDaddy.com, $64 first year, $80/yr> thereafter.? To avoid the charge you can self-sign your certificate but> website users will get a message saying this site uses a self-signed> certificate- be sure you trust them. Makes people a little nervous.>> I?m no expert on this, it?s just what we found and do - perhaps there are> now new free methods.>> Larry> ?14 R22 Language of Love> ?86 R22 >> > On Jul 19, 2020, at 11:37 PM, Hank wrote:> >> > ?He's right. TLS 1.2 is the current standard and has replaced SSL.> > Folks still use SSL as the general term, though.> >> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 19:46 Todd Tavares wrote:> >>> >> My son is a web dev and said every website should have SSL..and its> free.> >> But he said the latest is TLS(?).> >>> >> Todd T> >>> >> tavares0947 at gmail.com> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 5:05 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote:> >>>> >>> Tom,> >>>> >>> You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I suspect> >>> that this is a subject near and dear to your heart.? But I don?t> >>> understand> >> why> >>> you think we should have it.? The website isn?t doing e-commerce or> >>> anything.? Could you elaborate?> >>>> >>> Thanks,> >>>??? Peter> >>>> >>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule <> >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:> >>>>> >>>> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial -> >>>> something> >>> that> >>>> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but the entirety is> >> where> >>>> Peter indicated.? I would like to see someone who knows be able to> >> update> >>>> nabble to get ALL the data (or find another way to modernize the UI> >>>> of> >>> all> >>>> the archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site> >>>> have> >> no> >>>> SSL certification.? https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/? this> >>>> is> >>> free> >>>> and legit - but someone with access needs to go through.> >>>>> >>>> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete.> >> Thank> >>>> you.? And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of mine)> >>>>> >>>> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives -> >>>> perhaps there is a content discovery tool we can run against the> >>>> archives -> >>> really> >>>> most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing?> >>>>> >>>> Happy Friday all -> >>>> Tom> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Tom Van Heule> >>>> Intrinsic Programs> >>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> >>>> +1 303 525 5266> >>>> >>>> >>>>-- Tom Van HeuleIntrinsic Programstom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com+1 303 525 5266 From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Jul 20 13:57:14 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:57:14 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: sorry all, the temptation of joking within an email to a new crowd got me. On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 12:10 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > IMHO, I would prefer not to sell merchandise on the owner's site. I always > thought the point was to avoid commercialization.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91) > -------- Original message --------From: Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> Date: 7/20/20 10:56 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: > [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? I did setup a discord : > https://discord.gg/MbpR9Q for discussing nuts andbolts of the website - > it seems we are happy to discuss here. (and I wontdelete the discord > ever...)As some have said - we would like to have some protected areas of > the siteand getting encrypted is table stakes for a new build today.I > suggest we keep it as free and secure as possible, until we start > sellingmerchandise :) Then we get Stan a new revenue stream.I agree with > Michael here- the amount of data should be obfuscated from thepublic. It > sounds like there are several of us around who know whatbrute forcing means > - and this could all be taken from us in a matter ofminutes... we don't > want to put the 20+ years of info at risk like that(fear mongering , > apologies).But that being said - I think I might call Stott for my remodel > - the infois useful!Have a great Monday,TomOn Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:39 AM > Michael D. Weisner wrote:> Should we require SSL or > TLS for the website is an interesting question.>> The website itself does > not require login or passwords, at least at this> time. The only exception > to this policy is access to the email list. The> mailman pages require that > a user maintain a password which is used to> access the archives or change > mail delivery options. As far as real> security on mailman, it must be > noted that all of our posts are available> through google.com searches > which means that there is no real privacy of> content. The same is probably > true for the nabble site.>> Mike> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, > NY>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of> Larry Gioia via > Rhodes22-list> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 9:21 AM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email > List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our > website need SSL?>> From our experience with my small company?s website:>> > - the reason we use it is clients require it because they enter passwords> > and use of SSL encrypts them. Not an issue to the Rhodes site. Another> > reason is other sites that link to us prefer it to be an https link - > again> probably not an issue to the Rhodes site.> - SSL is free, but a > digital SSL certificate is needed from a certificate> authority - the > cheapest we found is GoDaddy.com, $64 first year, $80/yr> thereafter. To > avoid the charge you can self-sign your certificate but> website users will > get a message saying this site uses a self-signed> certificate- be sure you > trust them. Makes people a little nervous.>> I?m no expert on this, it?s > just what we found and do - perhaps there are> now new free methods.>> > Larry> ?14 R22 Language of Love> ?86 R22 >> > On Jul 19, > 2020, at 11:37 PM, Hank wrote:> >> > ?He's right. TLS > 1.2 is the current standard and has replaced SSL.> > Folks still use SSL as > the general term, though.> >> >> On Sun, Jul 19, 2020, 19:46 Todd Tavares < > tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:> >>> >> My son is a web dev and said every > website should have SSL..and its> free.> >> But he said the latest is > TLS(?).> >>> >> Todd T> >>> >> tavares0947 at gmail.com> >>> >>> On Fri, Jul > 17, 2020, 5:05 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote:> >>>> >>> > Tom,> >>>> >>> You?ve mentioned SSL certification several times now, so I > suspect> >>> that this is a subject near and dear to your heart. But I > don?t> >>> understand> >> why> >>> you think we should have it. The > website isn?t doing e-commerce or> >>> anything. Could you elaborate?> > >>>> >>> Thanks,> >>> Peter> >>>> >>>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Tom > Van Heule <> >>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:> >>>>> >>>> > Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial -> >>>> > something> >>> that> >>>> there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... > but the entirety is> >> where> >>>> Peter indicated. I would like to see > someone who knows be able to> >> update> >>>> nabble to get ALL the data > (or find another way to modernize the UI> >>>> of> >>> all> >>>> the > archives). Also Nabble, and for that matter our current site> >>>> have> >> > no> >>>> SSL certification. https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ > this> >>>> is> >>> free> >>>> and legit - but someone with access needs to > go through.> >>>>> >>>> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but > more complete.> >> Thank> >>>> you. And thank you for not using wordpress > (it's a peeve of mine)> >>>>> >>>> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get > lost in the archives -> >>>> perhaps there is a content discovery tool we > can run against the> >>>> archives -> >>> really> >>>> most posts with a > photo attached are worth indexing?> >>>>> >>>> Happy Friday all -> >>>> > Tom> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Tom Van Heule> >>>> Intrinsic Programs> >>>> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> >>>> +1 303 525 5266> >>>> >>>> > >>>>-- Tom Van HeuleIntrinsic Programstom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com+1 > 303 525 5266 -- Tom Van Heule Intrinsic Programs tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com +1 303 525 5266 From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 14:33:31 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 14:33:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, Jesse, We are indeed lucky that our significant others enjoy sailing as much as we do. It seems that this is true of many Rhodes owners. (or am I being myopic?) I have met many truly happy sailing couples on our trips. It seems the key was that they both were involved and responsible for the boat. Met even more "Rogue Males" who sail alone, address only me in a conversation and seem oblivious as to why no one seems to want to share in their sailing experience. Yup, we are lucky. Chris & Alice Geankoplis S/V Enosis P.S. Have almost finished the last part of Pt. 8 A Rhodes in the Med. Just took me only a year to write it down. . On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 8:24 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Chris, thanks for the info. As you mentioned, the convenience of the IMF > makes a big difference. I think that's one of the reasons my wife likes > the R22. I consider myself lucky that my wife likes to go sailing since > there are a number of people at our local club where their significant > other doesn't have an interest in spending time on their boat and considers > sailing to be too much of a hassle. > > Good luck with the winter plans. For so many reasons, hopefully things > improve sooner rather than later regarding the pandemic. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:15 AM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Yes Jesse, > > On the Catalina, the sail is cut differently than on the Rhodes a bit, > > and no vertical battens so no real roach. That being said, one of the > main > > reasons that we went with this particular boat was the IMF. For our use > > and lifestyle, the slight loss of a bit of speed, matters not. Furling > > both in and out is done with a manual winch on a port tack. Sometimes it > > is reluctant to unfurl as it picks up a wrinkle or two and requires me to > > go forward and shake it out. The sail is old and has been recut a bit > > (lost a foot of the leach due to sun damage). So we have 43 sq. ft. less > > sail area than a regular main. Going to get a new sail soon which > > I understand will not have this problem. Just like on the Rhodes, we > don't > > fall into the trap of waiting too long to reef in hopes the squall will > go > > away. We reef before it is too late and that is a real plus safety wise. > > Not sure what we are going to do this winter as the Bahamas has closed > > their country to all American vessels (and planes)........a wise > precaution > > considering the situation here in the U.S. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > S?V ENOSIS > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 7:20 AM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Chris, one thing that I've noticed about IMF on larger boats is that > the > > > foot does not appear to be horizontal. Instead it appears to be cut a > > bit > > > like jib in that the clue is higher than the tack. I assume that might > > be > > > so that the foot doesn't bunch up on top of itself as it furls so it > > > doesn't take up too much room in the mast. As a result of this it > > appears > > > that the boom is always at an angle for the IMF on larger boats. On > your > > > Catalina, do you furl it by hand, does it require a winch or is there > an > > > electric winch? Overall, do you like the IMF on the larger boat as > well? > > > > > > One other note, does the IMF on the R22 require any maintenance such as > > > lubrication? > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 9:24 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Yup, Have used both and let me tell you the R22 furles a lot > easier! I > > > > think about it every time I furl the big one on the Catalina. I do > > miss > > > my > > > > Rhodes. Just paid the insurance on it even though I am not sailing > it > > > > (required) but it is so cheap I don't mind. One of the reasons I > spent > > > so > > > > much money (more than I paid for the boat) to ship it over to Greece > > was > > > > because of the IMF. Thanks again to Stan for coming up with this > > > > marvelous feature! > > > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > > SV ENOSIS > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 4:30 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > > > > > The R22 IMF furls in the opposite direction as the illustration > > > depicting > > > > > the Selden furling shown in the article. There is a vertical > batten > > > that > > > > > is inserted into the UV resistant portion of the sail, which is the > > > thick > > > > > colored section that sticks out when the sail is fully furled. > > > Forgoing > > > > > battens on the rest of the main seems to the price you pay in terms > > of > > > > > performance in exchange for the big benefits in terms of ease of > > using > > > > > IMF. Horizontal battens are reserved for mains that hoist in the > > > > > traditional manner, or perhaps they could also be used on boom > roller > > > > > furling, which seems to be less common than IMF. I've not heard > of > > > > anyone > > > > > else adding additional vertical battens and I'm not sure the mast > > would > > > > be > > > > > large enough to accommodate the extra size of a furled sail > including > > > > > vertical battens. > > > > > > > > > > I haven't yet sailed on a larger boat with IMF, but people who have > > > used > > > > > those and then come on my R22 seem to be surprised about the > ability > > to > > > > > raise and lower the entire system (boom and mainsail) with the pin > > > going > > > > > through the gooseneck to the mast. I suppose that's not an option > > on a > > > > > larger boat because of the extra weight. It is nice to have a high > > > boom > > > > > normally for plenty of room in the cockpit and to catch the most > wind > > > up > > > > > high, but then be able to lower it quickly in stronger conditions. > > > > > Lowering the center of effort reduces heeling. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe Chris G. could provide some perspectives on IMF for the R22 > > vs. a > > > > > larger boat since he also has a Catalina 38(?) with IMF. > > > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2020 at 2:39 PM Tom Van Heule < > > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, I came across this article today - and was searching in the > > > > archives > > > > > > for any details - lots of talk on the IMF, but nothing explaining > > the > > > > > > system (that I have found!). Aside, Is anyone using battens? > > > vertical > > > > or > > > > > > horizontal? Is the GBI system similar/different from the > Selden > > > > > > description? > > > > > > > > https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/how-to-a-trouble-free-furling-main > > > > > > > > > > > > It was a nice read to hear some support for IMF in either case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Tom Van Heule > > > > > > Intrinsic Programs > > > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com > > > > > > +1 303 525 5266 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 14:34:58 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 14:34:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? In-Reply-To: <004101d65ea3$d3258520$79708f60$@ebsmed.com> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> <004101d65ea3$d3258520$79708f60$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: All you guys are amazing and great! Looking forward to new things! Chris Geankoplis S/V Enosis On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 10:41 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Luis, > > I looked at the public repository for the open source nabble forum system. > I am sure that, with help from those that are really skilled in this kind > of technology, we could implement a version of nabble on our > www.rhodes22.org AWS server, giving us full control over the use of and > archiving of the information. I have always liked the nabble interface for > searching and simplicity of access. Since nabble has a built in ability to > post to Mailman lists, we could conceivable operate both on a single > server, I think. > > The documentation for nabble is very limited and the original support team > seems to have given up and moved on to other things. Do we have enough > information to set up and maintain nabble on our own? > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Luis Guzman > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 11:08 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 mail list > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A New Website? > > Nablle is now open source. So, I should be able to get it running on my > servers and figure out how everything work. Then, I think that I should be > able to move the data to the new server to export it to something else, or > write code to extract data and use it in a new web site. Nabble is written > in Java, and I?m familiar with it. > > I?ll download the software and install it on my servers. I?ll let everyone > know how it goes. > > > Luis A. Guzm?n II > > > S/V Aquetxali > > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:57 AM, Mary Lou Troy > wrote: > > > > Nabble is an independent outfit I don't believe we have any control over > it. > > > > Peter, this looks good. I haven't looked all the way through but hope > the FAQ (which was archival material rescued from an earlier website) is > fully represented. > > > > BTW I think the current webpage was renovated by a teenager some 15 > years ago. I don't really remember all the details and of course haven't > been paying close attention here as we no longer have the boat. > > > > Glad to see the initiative though. > > > > Mary Lou > > > > On 7/17/2020 10:08 AM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > >> Jesse - I also understand that nabble data is only partial - > >> something that there was nothing previous to 2009 in Nabble... but > >> the entirety is where Peter indicated. I would like to see someone > >> who knows be able to update nabble to get ALL the data (or find > >> another way to modernize the UI of all the archives). Also Nabble, > >> and for that matter our current site have no SSL certification. > >> https://letsencrypt.org/getting-started/ this is free and legit - but > someone with access needs to go through. > >> > >> Peter - this looks great, nothing fancy needed, but more complete. > >> Thank you. And thank you for not using wordpress (it's a peeve of > >> mine) > >> > >> aside- we KNOW there are photos that get lost in the archives - > >> perhaps there is a content discovery tool we can run against the > >> archives - really most posts with a photo attached are worth indexing? > >> > >> Happy Friday all - > >> Tom > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 7:06 AM Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Looks good Peter! The photo on the main page represents the R22 well. > >>> Thanks for taking the initiative on this. As you mentioned, the > >>> reference pages and photo gallery have content worth keeping. > >>> > >>> On the Email List page, I see that there is a way to access the > archives. > >>> I had been using the search feature on Nabble instead. Perhaps it > >>> is worth linking to http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ as well > >>> so people can search and don't have to comb through the archives > >>> manually. However, you would probably want to make a disclaimer > >>> about the preferred method to post via email so that the attachments > >>> are kept with the email list rather than Nabble. > >>> > >>> Under the document library, perhaps we could post additional > >>> checklists such as updated versions of mast raising and mast > >>> lowering checklists. My versions of those checklists (started by > >>> copying from others) have evolved a bit with practice at the > >>> process. When first becoming a sailboat owner, mast > >>> raising/lowering can be a bit intimidating. I'm so glad my boat came > with the GB mast raising system. > >>> > >>> Thanks for your work on the website! > >>> > >>> Jesse Shumaker > >>> S/V Zephyr > >>> > >>> On Thu, Jul 16, 2020 at 9:52 PM Peter Nyberg > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> No one asked me to do this, but as I?ve kind of implied, I?ve been > >>> playing > >>>> around with some HTML (and CSS) to come up with a concept of what a > >>>> new Rhodes 22 Owners? Group website might look like. > >>>> > >>>> Before I retired, I spent about 25 years working as a computer > >>> programmer, > >>>> wearing many different hats during that time, but I was never a > >>>> website developer. So, this is really an amateur effort at website > development. > >>>> But, there might be a benefit to that in that I don?t know any > >>>> tricks of the trade or professional shortcuts. It is my hope that > >>>> the work I have done could be expanded on and maintained by other > non-professionals. > >>>> > >>>> Or, it could just serve as the basis of further discussion. > >>>> > >>>> I view this mostly as a re-packaging effort, though I?ve created > >>>> entirely new text for the home page. I?ve also lightly edited the > >>>> page with the email list charter, without, I hope, changing the > >>>> spirit of the contents > >>> at > >>>> all. > >>>> > >>>> What used to be called the FAQ?s (which weren?t questions at all), > >>>> I?ve renamed ?Reference Pages?. I think this information is > >>>> valuable, and > >>> will > >>>> take some work to convert to a new format. > >>>> > >>>> For anyone who wants to dig beneath the covers, you should be able > >>>> to get to the HTML by doing something like ?Save Page As?? . On > >>>> the home page, the menu includes an item named ?Style Sheet?, which > >>>> will display the > >>> base > >>>> CSS code for the website. This is temporary, obviously. > >>>> > >>>> The lovely image on the home page came from Stan. He posted it on > >>> January > >>>> 12 of this year. He said he thought it should win a contest and I > agree. > >>>> I?ve cropped and resized it some. The original (from Stan?s post) > >>>> is > >>>> here: > >>>> > >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc > >>> 71507/attachment.tiff > >>>> < > >>>> > >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200112/2bc > >>> 71507/attachment.tiff > >>>> Oh, I?ve almost forgotten? I?ve uploaded my work to my personal > >>>> domain, and you can take a look at it here: > >>>> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/ < > >>>> http://sunnybeeches.com/rhodes22/> > >>>> > >>>> Enjoy, > >>>> > >>>> Peter Nyberg > >>>> Coventry, CT > >>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 15:43:27 2020 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:43:27 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Out Haul Car Solutions In-Reply-To: <1595249382496-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1595103486601-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1595249382496-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi - do we have a pic of GB outhaul car? I posted a couple of years ago about breaking my outhaul car and having local one machined. (July 2, 2017). Here is pic of replacement and broken car . Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Mon, Jul 20, 2020, 5:49 AM JeffSmith wrote: > Original Broken Car 3.JPG > Jury Rig with > Slug > 1.JPG Machined > Car > 2.JPG > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: attachment.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2520550 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 16:13:39 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:13:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pt. 8 2019 Rhodes in the Med Message-ID: So finally I have some free time to try to finish up the journal of our trip from Naples Italy to Prevesa, Greece last year. This is the next to the last part of that trip. I hope you enjoy reading it as much as we did sailing it. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VSOVmm_9IeskVcE_Kre-iWHRcQQ5ojzT/view Chris & Alice Geankoplis S/V Enosis From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Jul 20 16:19:12 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:19:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19AD5A37-5B48-4B22-8129-E0112D581BBF@sunnybeeches.com> Jesse, My changes to how the mainsail outhaul and furler lines are not without issues, but I still prefer my changes to Stan?s design. Taking off the tabernacle is easy, two screws as I recall (not bolts). I don?t recall if I managed to find slightly longer screws to make up for the thickness of the halyard organizer. I used butyl as a sealant. I should have used the drill-fill-drill technique to eliminate any chance of water getting into the deck, but I don?t think I did. ?Peter > On Jul 20, 2020, at 7:29 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > Peter, while we're on the topic of IMF, I'm curious if you are pleased with > your rigging changes for the outhaul and furler as described in your > rigging changes video (https://youtu.be/YS1MIEcvkPs). When you took off > the tabernacle (mast base) to put the halyard organizer underneath so you > could hang blocks off of that, was that difficult to do? I was curious if > it was as simple as loosening the bolts, removing the tabernacle, adding > the organizer and putting the tabernacle back on. What sort of bedding did > you use underneath the halyard organizer? Thanks for the info. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr From hnw555 at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 16:34:15 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 16:34:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pt. 8 2019 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Very nice, Chris! On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:13 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > So finally I have some free time to try to finish up the journal of our > trip from Naples Italy to Prevesa, Greece last year. This is the next to > the last part of that trip. I hope you enjoy reading it as much as we did > sailing it. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VSOVmm_9IeskVcE_Kre-iWHRcQQ5ojzT/view > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis > S/V Enosis > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 20:28:08 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 20:28:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pt. 8 2019 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, glad you enjoyed it. Chris G. On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:34 PM Hank wrote: > Very nice, Chris! > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 4:13 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > So finally I have some free time to try to finish up the journal of our > > trip from Naples Italy to Prevesa, Greece last year. This is the next to > > the last part of that trip. I hope you enjoy reading it as much as we > did > > sailing it. > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VSOVmm_9IeskVcE_Kre-iWHRcQQ5ojzT/view > > > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis > > S/V Enosis > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 07:13:18 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:13:18 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to: A Trouble-free Furling Main | Sail Magazine In-Reply-To: <19AD5A37-5B48-4B22-8129-E0112D581BBF@sunnybeeches.com> References: <19AD5A37-5B48-4B22-8129-E0112D581BBF@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Thanks Peter. I have a block tied to the port side cleat on the mast, which leads to another block tied to the port side handrail and I run my topping lift through these and back to the cam cleat on the aft port corner on top of the cabin. When I'm working on fall projects I think I might tidy up how those blocks are attached. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 3:20 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Jesse, > > My changes to how the mainsail outhaul and furler lines are not without > issues, but I still prefer my changes to Stan?s design. > > Taking off the tabernacle is easy, two screws as I recall (not bolts). I > don?t recall if I managed to find slightly longer screws to make up for the > thickness of the halyard organizer. I used butyl as a sealant. I should > have used the drill-fill-drill technique to eliminate any chance of water > getting into the deck, but I don?t think I did. > > ?Peter > > > On Jul 20, 2020, at 7:29 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Peter, while we're on the topic of IMF, I'm curious if you are pleased > with > > your rigging changes for the outhaul and furler as described in your > > rigging changes video (https://youtu.be/YS1MIEcvkPs). When you took off > > the tabernacle (mast base) to put the halyard organizer underneath so you > > could hang blocks off of that, was that difficult to do? I was curious > if > > it was as simple as loosening the bolts, removing the tabernacle, adding > > the organizer and putting the tabernacle back on. What sort of bedding > did > > you use underneath the halyard organizer? Thanks for the info. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 07:18:33 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:18:33 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pt. 8 2019 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, thanks for sharing. It's a nice escape to hear about your adventures abroad during these times when travel is limited. Your photos of the beautiful anchorages are postcard worthy. Glad you were able to take care of the intruder on your boat! I'm looking forward to hearing about the last segment of your trip. What happens to Enosis then? Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 3:13 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > So finally I have some free time to try to finish up the journal of our > trip from Naples Italy to Prevesa, Greece last year. This is the next to > the last part of that trip. I hope you enjoy reading it as much as we did > sailing it. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VSOVmm_9IeskVcE_Kre-iWHRcQQ5ojzT/view > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis > S/V Enosis > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 07:52:58 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:52:58 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pt. 8 2019 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To clarify the last question. Will your R22 remain in Greece after the next segment? On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 6:18 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Chris, thanks for sharing. It's a nice escape to hear about your > adventures abroad during these times when travel is limited. Your photos > of the beautiful anchorages are postcard worthy. Glad you were able to > take care of the intruder on your boat! I'm looking forward to hearing > about the last segment of your trip. What happens to Enosis then? > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 3:13 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > >> So finally I have some free time to try to finish up the journal of our >> trip from Naples Italy to Prevesa, Greece last year. This is the next to >> the last part of that trip. I hope you enjoy reading it as much as we did >> sailing it. >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VSOVmm_9IeskVcE_Kre-iWHRcQQ5ojzT/view >> >> Chris & Alice Geankoplis >> S/V Enosis >> > From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Tue Jul 21 12:08:55 2020 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:08:55 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sea Kayaks, Paddling, & Camping Gear Recovered From Johnson Mini Storage! Message-ID: Hi All, Last Saturday, my brother-in-law, Ken Mild drove up from Pennsylvania with his 12 ft LOA aluminum Jon boat. We drove over to a MDNR boat launch on the West Arm of Wixom Lake. With the lake level much lower than normal summer pool, the boat launch is closed. The 1st attached photo shows how much below the level of the launch ramps the water level is now. But, Ken and I were able to carry the lightweight Jon boat down the slope. We used my Minn Kota trolling motor to get back to the M-30 causeway, a 1-way distance of about ? mile. The 2nd attached photo shows the rapids under the blown out section of the M-30 causeway now. Obviously, this is not something you can safely navigate in a Jon boat with a trolling motor! But, I had scouted the site prior to this attempt and there was an eddy just upstream of the rapids. I was able to tuck the Jon boat into this eddy without getting sucked into the rapids. Then, we hiked about 300 yards over to Johnson Mini Storage, gathered up two kayaks, paddling, and camping gear, and portaged it all back to the Jon boat. It took 3 trips to portage all this gear. The 3rd attached photo is Ken by the loaded Jon boat with the two kayaks all rigged for towing. We motored back to the MDNR launch site, hauled everything back up the hill, loaded the kayaks and gear into/on top of my minivan, and drove home. Mission accomplished! We started about 7:00 AM and were back home by 11:00 AM before the real heat of the day. So, now the SCUBA Shipwreck Diving and Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High Adventure Trips can really happen next month. Life is good! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium [cid:image003.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] [cid:image005.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] [cid:image009.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 157033 bytes Desc: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We drove over to a MDNR boat launch on > the West Arm of Wixom Lake. With the lake level much lower than normal > summer pool, the boat launch is closed. The 1st attached photo shows how > much below the level of the launch ramps the water level is now. But, Ken > and I were able to carry the lightweight Jon boat down the slope. We used > my Minn Kota trolling motor to get back to the M-30 causeway, a 1-way > distance of about ? mile. The 2nd attached photo shows the rapids under > the blown out section of the M-30 causeway now. Obviously, this is not > something you can safely navigate in a Jon boat with a trolling motor! > But, I had scouted the site prior to this attempt and there was an eddy > just upstream of the rapids. I was able to tuck the Jon boat into this > eddy without getting sucked into the rapids. Then, we hiked about 300 > yards over to Johnson Mini Storage, gathered up two kayaks, paddling, and > camping gear, and portaged it all back to the Jon boat. It took 3 trips to > portage all this gear. The 3rd attached photo is Ken by the loaded Jon > boat with the two kayaks all rigged for towing. We motored back to the > MDNR launch site, hauled everything back up the hill, loaded the kayaks and > gear into/on top of my minivan, and drove home. Mission accomplished! We > started about 7:00 AM and were back home by 11:00 AM before the real heat > of the day. > > So, now the SCUBA Shipwreck Diving and Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High > Adventure Trips can really happen next month. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, Mission accomplished! It's all about the planning and the execution. Thanks for the update. - Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 12:09 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sea Kayaks, Paddling, & Camping Gear Recovered From Johnson Mini Storage! Hi All, Last Saturday, my brother-in-law, Ken Mild drove up from Pennsylvania with his 12 ft LOA aluminum Jon boat. We drove over to a MDNR boat launch on the West Arm of Wixom Lake. With the lake level much lower than normal summer pool, the boat launch is closed. The 1st attached photo shows how much below the level of the launch ramps the water level is now. But, Ken and I were able to carry the lightweight Jon boat down the slope. We used my Minn Kota trolling motor to get back to the M-30 causeway, a 1-way distance of about ? mile. The 2nd attached photo shows the rapids under the blown out section of the M-30 causeway now. Obviously, this is not something you can safely navigate in a Jon boat with a trolling motor! But, I had scouted the site prior to this attempt and there was an eddy just upstream of the rapids. I was able to tuck the Jon boat into this eddy without getting sucked into the rapids. Then, we hiked about 300 yards over to Johnson Mini Storage, gathered up two kayaks, paddling, and camping gear, and portaged it all back to the Jon boat. It took 3 trips to portage all this gear. The 3rd attached photo is Ken by the loaded Jon boat with the two kayaks all rigged for towing. We motored back to the MDNR launch site, hauled everything back up the hill, loaded the kayaks and gear into/on top of my minivan, and drove home. Mission accomplished! We started about 7:00 AM and were back home by 11:00 AM before the real heat of the day. So, now the SCUBA Shipwreck Diving and Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High Adventure Trips can really happen next month. Life is good! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium [cid:image003.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] [cid:image005.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] [cid:image009.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] Sent from Mail for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 157033 bytes Desc: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 592302 bytes Desc: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?Roger, that is better than the landings and Inchon! I still an not sure > how you got past the rapids. Great job. > > Chris Geankoplis > S?V Enosis > >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Last Saturday, my brother-in-law, Ken Mild drove up from Pennsylvania with >> his 12 ft LOA aluminum Jon boat. We drove over to a MDNR boat launch on >> the West Arm of Wixom Lake. With the lake level much lower than normal >> summer pool, the boat launch is closed. The 1st attached photo shows how >> much below the level of the launch ramps the water level is now. But, Ken >> and I were able to carry the lightweight Jon boat down the slope. We used >> my Minn Kota trolling motor to get back to the M-30 causeway, a 1-way >> distance of about ? mile. The 2nd attached photo shows the rapids under >> the blown out section of the M-30 causeway now. Obviously, this is not >> something you can safely navigate in a Jon boat with a trolling motor! >> But, I had scouted the site prior to this attempt and there was an eddy >> just upstream of the rapids. I was able to tuck the Jon boat into this >> eddy without getting sucked into the rapids. Then, we hiked about 300 >> yards over to Johnson Mini Storage, gathered up two kayaks, paddling, and >> camping gear, and portaged it all back to the Jon boat. It took 3 trips to >> portage all this gear. The 3rd attached photo is Ken by the loaded Jon >> boat with the two kayaks all rigged for towing. We motored back to the >> MDNR launch site, hauled everything back up the hill, loaded the kayaks and >> gear into/on top of my minivan, and drove home. Mission accomplished! We >> started about 7:00 AM and were back home by 11:00 AM before the real heat >> of the day. >> >> So, now the SCUBA Shipwreck Diving and Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High >> Adventure Trips can really happen next month. Life is good! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] >> >> [cid:image005.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] >> >> [cid:image009.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 157033 bytes >> Desc: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment.jpg >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 592302 bytes >> Desc: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0001.jpg >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 151425 bytes >> Desc: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0002.jpg >>> >> From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 13:41:11 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:41:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sea Kayaks, Paddling, & Camping Gear Recovered From Johnson Mini Storage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, guys doing stupid stuff, I can relate to that. My brother is a master at that too Chris Geankoplis Sv Enosis On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 13:13, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Chris, > > The backwater eddy was upstream of the rapids and protected from it by a > little sand spit. We never had to run the rapids. By going well to the > west and then working my way back east along the Wixom Dam?s earthen > embankment, I was able to stay out of the strong current and into the > eddy. I have done quite a bit of whitewater and had scouted the site > before attempting this. No, it was not idiot proof! My brother-in-law is > used to us doing stupid stuff like this together. He regards it as chapter > 1 in the Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High Adventure Trip. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?Roger, that is better than the landings and Inchon! I still an not sure > > how you got past the rapids. Great job. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > S?V Enosis > > > >> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Last Saturday, my brother-in-law, Ken Mild drove up from Pennsylvania > with > >> his 12 ft LOA aluminum Jon boat. We drove over to a MDNR boat launch on > >> the West Arm of Wixom Lake. With the lake level much lower than normal > >> summer pool, the boat launch is closed. The 1st attached photo shows > how > >> much below the level of the launch ramps the water level is now. But, > Ken > >> and I were able to carry the lightweight Jon boat down the slope. We > used > >> my Minn Kota trolling motor to get back to the M-30 causeway, a 1-way > >> distance of about ? mile. The 2nd attached photo shows the rapids under > >> the blown out section of the M-30 causeway now. Obviously, this is not > >> something you can safely navigate in a Jon boat with a trolling motor! > >> But, I had scouted the site prior to this attempt and there was an eddy > >> just upstream of the rapids. I was able to tuck the Jon boat into this > >> eddy without getting sucked into the rapids. Then, we hiked about 300 > >> yards over to Johnson Mini Storage, gathered up two kayaks, paddling, > and > >> camping gear, and portaged it all back to the Jon boat. It took 3 > trips to > >> portage all this gear. The 3rd attached photo is Ken by the loaded Jon > >> boat with the two kayaks all rigged for towing. We motored back to the > >> MDNR launch site, hauled everything back up the hill, loaded the kayaks > and > >> gear into/on top of my minivan, and drove home. Mission accomplished! > We > >> started about 7:00 AM and were back home by 11:00 AM before the real > heat > >> of the day. > >> > >> So, now the SCUBA Shipwreck Diving and Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High > >> Adventure Trips can really happen next month. Life is good! > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] > >> > >> [cid:image005.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] > >> > >> [cid:image009.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 157033 bytes > >> Desc: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment.jpg > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 592302 bytes > >> Desc: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0001.jpg > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 151425 bytes > >> Desc: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0002.jpg > >>> > >> > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Jul 21 13:48:17 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:48:17 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sea Kayaks, Paddling, & Camping Gear Recovered From Johnson Mini Storage! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Chris, Some people complain about their in-laws. I go on wilderness camping trips and do ?stupid stuff? with mine. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?Ah, guys doing stupid stuff, I can relate to that. My brother is a master > at that too > Chris Geankoplis > Sv Enosis > >> On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 13:13, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Chris, >> >> The backwater eddy was upstream of the rapids and protected from it by a >> little sand spit. We never had to run the rapids. By going well to the >> west and then working my way back east along the Wixom Dam?s earthen >> embankment, I was able to stay out of the strong current and into the >> eddy. I have done quite a bit of whitewater and had scouted the site >> before attempting this. No, it was not idiot proof! My brother-in-law is >> used to us doing stupid stuff like this together. He regards it as chapter >> 1 in the Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High Adventure Trip. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Chris Geankoplis < >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> ?Roger, that is better than the landings and Inchon! I still an not sure >>> how you got past the rapids. Great job. >>> >>> Chris Geankoplis >>> S?V Enosis >>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Last Saturday, my brother-in-law, Ken Mild drove up from Pennsylvania >> with >>>> his 12 ft LOA aluminum Jon boat. We drove over to a MDNR boat launch on >>>> the West Arm of Wixom Lake. With the lake level much lower than normal >>>> summer pool, the boat launch is closed. The 1st attached photo shows >> how >>>> much below the level of the launch ramps the water level is now. But, >> Ken >>>> and I were able to carry the lightweight Jon boat down the slope. We >> used >>>> my Minn Kota trolling motor to get back to the M-30 causeway, a 1-way >>>> distance of about ? mile. The 2nd attached photo shows the rapids under >>>> the blown out section of the M-30 causeway now. Obviously, this is not >>>> something you can safely navigate in a Jon boat with a trolling motor! >>>> But, I had scouted the site prior to this attempt and there was an eddy >>>> just upstream of the rapids. I was able to tuck the Jon boat into this >>>> eddy without getting sucked into the rapids. Then, we hiked about 300 >>>> yards over to Johnson Mini Storage, gathered up two kayaks, paddling, >> and >>>> camping gear, and portaged it all back to the Jon boat. It took 3 >> trips to >>>> portage all this gear. The 3rd attached photo is Ken by the loaded Jon >>>> boat with the two kayaks all rigged for towing. We motored back to the >>>> MDNR launch site, hauled everything back up the hill, loaded the kayaks >> and >>>> gear into/on top of my minivan, and drove home. Mission accomplished! >> We >>>> started about 7:00 AM and were back home by 11:00 AM before the real >> heat >>>> of the day. >>>> >>>> So, now the SCUBA Shipwreck Diving and Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High >>>> Adventure Trips can really happen next month. Life is good! >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] >>>> >>>> [cid:image005.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] >>>> >>>> [cid:image009.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for >>>> Windows 10 >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 157033 bytes >>>> Desc: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg >>>> URL: < >>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment.jpg >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 592302 bytes >>>> Desc: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg >>>> URL: < >>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0001.jpg >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 151425 bytes >>>> Desc: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg >>>> URL: < >>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0002.jpg >>>>> >>>> >> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Jul 21 17:38:58 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:38:58 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sea Kayaks, Paddling, & Camping Gear Recovered From Johnson Mini Storage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, If you look closely at the 3rd photo, you will see the so called eddy line in the water stretching off into the distance about 15-20 ft out from the earthen berm. It looks like a region of calm water that suddenly develops ripples at the eddy line. The region to the left of that line is calm and safe. The region to the right of that line is flowing towards the rapids. So, you can see how far I had to travel westward along the berm before I could turn south towards the MDNR boat launch. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 21, 2020, at 1:48 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Chris, > > Some people complain about their in-laws. I go on wilderness camping trips and do ?stupid stuff? with mine. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 21, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: >> >> ?Ah, guys doing stupid stuff, I can relate to that. My brother is a master >> at that too >> Chris Geankoplis >> Sv Enosis >> >>>> On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 13:13, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >>> >>> Chris, >>> >>> The backwater eddy was upstream of the rapids and protected from it by a >>> little sand spit. We never had to run the rapids. By going well to the >>> west and then working my way back east along the Wixom Dam?s earthen >>> embankment, I was able to stay out of the strong current and into the >>> eddy. I have done quite a bit of whitewater and had scouted the site >>> before attempting this. No, it was not idiot proof! My brother-in-law is >>> used to us doing stupid stuff like this together. He regards it as chapter >>> 1 in the Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High Adventure Trip. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Chris Geankoplis < >>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Roger, that is better than the landings and Inchon! I still an not sure >>>> how you got past the rapids. Great job. >>>> >>>> Chris Geankoplis >>>> S?V Enosis >>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Last Saturday, my brother-in-law, Ken Mild drove up from Pennsylvania >>> with >>>>> his 12 ft LOA aluminum Jon boat. We drove over to a MDNR boat launch on >>>>> the West Arm of Wixom Lake. With the lake level much lower than normal >>>>> summer pool, the boat launch is closed. The 1st attached photo shows >>> how >>>>> much below the level of the launch ramps the water level is now. But, >>> Ken >>>>> and I were able to carry the lightweight Jon boat down the slope. We >>> used >>>>> my Minn Kota trolling motor to get back to the M-30 causeway, a 1-way >>>>> distance of about ? mile. The 2nd attached photo shows the rapids under >>>>> the blown out section of the M-30 causeway now. Obviously, this is not >>>>> something you can safely navigate in a Jon boat with a trolling motor! >>>>> But, I had scouted the site prior to this attempt and there was an eddy >>>>> just upstream of the rapids. I was able to tuck the Jon boat into this >>>>> eddy without getting sucked into the rapids. Then, we hiked about 300 >>>>> yards over to Johnson Mini Storage, gathered up two kayaks, paddling, >>> and >>>>> camping gear, and portaged it all back to the Jon boat. It took 3 >>> trips to >>>>> portage all this gear. The 3rd attached photo is Ken by the loaded Jon >>>>> boat with the two kayaks all rigged for towing. We motored back to the >>>>> MDNR launch site, hauled everything back up the hill, loaded the kayaks >>> and >>>>> gear into/on top of my minivan, and drove home. Mission accomplished! >>> We >>>>> started about 7:00 AM and were back home by 11:00 AM before the real >>> heat >>>>> of the day. >>>>> >>>>> So, now the SCUBA Shipwreck Diving and Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High >>>>> Adventure Trips can really happen next month. Life is good! >>>>> >>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>> >>>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] >>>>> >>>>> [cid:image005.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] >>>>> >>>>> [cid:image009.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for >>>>> Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 157033 bytes >>>>> Desc: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 592302 bytes >>>>> Desc: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0001.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 151425 bytes >>>>> Desc: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg >>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0002.jpg >>>>>> >>>>> >>> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Jul 21 17:50:24 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:50:24 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sea Kayaks, Paddling, & Camping Gear Recovered From Johnson Mini Storage! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Chris, Sorry there was a directional typo in the previous post. It?s fixed below. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2020, at 5:39 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: ?Chris, If you look closely at the 3rd photo, you will see the so called eddy line in the water stretching off into the distance about 15-20 ft out from the earthen berm. It looks like a region of calm water that suddenly develops ripples at the eddy line. The region to the left of that line is calm and safe. The region to the right of that line is flowing towards the rapids. So, you can see how far I had to travel westward along the berm before I could turn north towards the MDNR boat launch. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2020, at 1:48 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: ?Chris, Some people complain about their in-laws. I go on wilderness camping trips and do ?stupid stuff? with mine. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: ?Ah, guys doing stupid stuff, I can relate to that. My brother is a master at that too Chris Geankoplis Sv Enosis On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 13:13, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Chris, The backwater eddy was upstream of the rapids and protected from it by a little sand spit. We never had to run the rapids. By going well to the west and then working my way back east along the Wixom Dam?s earthen embankment, I was able to stay out of the strong current and into the eddy. I have done quite a bit of whitewater and had scouted the site before attempting this. No, it was not idiot proof! My brother-in-law is used to us doing stupid stuff like this together. He regards it as chapter 1 in the Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High Adventure Trip. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Chris Geankoplis < chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: ?Roger, that is better than the landings and Inchon! I still an not sure how you got past the rapids. Great job. Chris Geankoplis S?V Enosis On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: Hi All, Last Saturday, my brother-in-law, Ken Mild drove up from Pennsylvania with his 12 ft LOA aluminum Jon boat. We drove over to a MDNR boat launch on the West Arm of Wixom Lake. With the lake level much lower than normal summer pool, the boat launch is closed. The 1st attached photo shows how much below the level of the launch ramps the water level is now. But, Ken and I were able to carry the lightweight Jon boat down the slope. We used my Minn Kota trolling motor to get back to the M-30 causeway, a 1-way distance of about ? mile. The 2nd attached photo shows the rapids under the blown out section of the M-30 causeway now. Obviously, this is not something you can safely navigate in a Jon boat with a trolling motor! But, I had scouted the site prior to this attempt and there was an eddy just upstream of the rapids. I was able to tuck the Jon boat into this eddy without getting sucked into the rapids. Then, we hiked about 300 yards over to Johnson Mini Storage, gathered up two kayaks, paddling, and camping gear, and portaged it all back to the Jon boat. It took 3 trips to portage all this gear. The 3rd attached photo is Ken by the loaded Jon boat with the two kayaks all rigged for towing. We motored back to the MDNR launch site, hauled everything back up the hill, loaded the kayaks and gear into/on top of my minivan, and drove home. Mission accomplished! We started about 7:00 AM and were back home by 11:00 AM before the real heat of the day. So, now the SCUBA Shipwreck Diving and Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High Adventure Trips can really happen next month. Life is good! 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Name: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 151425 bytes Desc: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg URL: < http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0002.jpg From hnw555 at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 19:18:26 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:18:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: <004901d65c9d$3013c070$903b4150$@ebsmed.com> References: <1905F068-1911-470E-BEA4-EBD79A2ABF41@sunnybeeches.com> <178C01B0-8D34-4617-9E6A-03F23DC1E7AA@sunnybeeches.com> <52452F6F-CE06-45C7-8170-ED8C69386A43@sunnybeeches.com> <004901d65c9d$3013c070$903b4150$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Hey Mike, I'm curious why you are running the website on an EC2 instance. Isn't it pretty much static? Have you considered just having it in an S3 bucket with cloudfront? Then you wouldn't have to manage the OS on the EC2 and it's probably cheaper as well. Hank On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 8:48 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > I cannot tell you all how happy I am that so many of you have shown > interest in the website design. Thank you Peter for creating something new > to illustrate where we can go. Thank you Luis for your efforts to work with > Nabble. I didn't know that it was open source. Thank you all for your > interest in the effort to bring our website up to date. > > For those who know significantly more than I do about web services, > especially that we should secure the website, I am happy to report that we > are hosted currently on Amazon Web Services (AWS) as an EC2 server. It > appears that a free SSL certificate may be easily obtained directly through > AWS or LetsEncrypt and added to our instance with little or no additional > cost. > > The responsibility for the rhodes22.org website and email list manager > was transferred to me from John Lock in the spring of 2016 when he lost the > ability to provide hosting services. John had assumed the responsibility > from Michael Meltzer who had hosted Rhodes22.org for several years. It > should be noted that Michael Meltzer still owns and pays for the domain > name. > > I chose AWS because felt that we needed to avoid using personal server > resources or services that might go out of business or change their rules > (GeoCities). If Amazon failed, the loss of the list would be the least of > our problems. Our AWS charges are about $15/month, a sum that I have been > happy to pay considering the activity on da list. For greater details as to > the origins of Rhodes22.org, Blew Skies, etc., I defer to Mary Lou as the > list historian since I have only been on da list since 2005 or so. > > Since I was not a webmaster, I made few changes to the website portion. I > was more concerned with survival of the email list and the archives. I > asked for volunteers and help in the past and my May 24th call was answered > by many of you this year (nearly 30 posts!) > > Rhodes22.org has more content than any sailboat forum I have visited and a > very active membership. Now, we need to make it accessible to all who visit > and easy to search. I am confident that we have the technology and the > people to make it happen. > > I want to move slowly so that our efforts are sustainable. There is so > much to talk about starting with creating a "wish list" of changes and > features followed by defining individual tasks and implementation > schedules. I would like to suggest a Zoom call to start an interactive > discussion about the possibilities, timeframes and costs (time and $$$). > Scheduling is very important as we are in the middle of sailing season in > North America. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Frederick Lange > Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:07 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? > > SSL stands for Secure Sockets Layer, a global standard security technology > that enables encrypted communication between a web browser and a web > server. Even if there is nothing that needs to be secured, users will be > put off if a SSL certificate is not there. > > *WWW* stands for World Wide Web. It is no longer useful to identify a > domain as using HTML and it is too often hijacked these days. > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:59 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > Rick, > > > > Could you clarify on your last point? > > > > On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to > > www.facebook.com/ < http://www.facebook.com/>? Should this be just > > facebook.com < http://facebook.com/>? Or do you mean something else? > > > > ?Peter > > > > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > SSL is definitely needed. Most internet security software, like > > > Norton, either gives a warning or requires active verification if > > > there is no > > SSL. > > > Also, stay away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect > > > target these days. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 19:18:38 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:18:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sea Kayaks, Paddling, & Camping Gear Recovered From Johnson Mini Storage! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah ha, I think I see it now. Still.......... Chris G S/V Enosis On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:50 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Chris, > > Sorry there was a directional typo in the previous post. It?s fixed below. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 5:39 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Chris, > > If you look closely at the 3rd photo, you will see the so called eddy line > in the water stretching off into the distance about 15-20 ft out from the > earthen berm. It looks like a region of calm water that suddenly develops > ripples at the eddy line. The region to the left of that line is calm and > safe. The region to the right of that line is flowing towards the rapids. > So, you can see how far I had to travel westward along the berm before I > could turn north towards the MDNR boat launch. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 1:48 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Chris, > > Some people complain about their in-laws. I go on wilderness camping > trips and do ?stupid stuff? with mine. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > ?Ah, guys doing stupid stuff, I can relate to that. My brother is a master > at that too > Chris Geankoplis > Sv Enosis > > On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 13:13, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Chris, > > The backwater eddy was upstream of the rapids and protected from it by a > little sand spit. We never had to run the rapids. By going well to the > west and then working my way back east along the Wixom Dam?s earthen > embankment, I was able to stay out of the strong current and into the > eddy. I have done quite a bit of whitewater and had scouted the site > before attempting this. No, it was not idiot proof! My brother-in-law is > used to us doing stupid stuff like this together. He regards it as chapter > 1 in the Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High Adventure Trip. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?Roger, that is better than the landings and Inchon! I still an not sure > how you got past the rapids. Great job. > > Chris Geankoplis > S?V Enosis > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > Hi All, > > Last Saturday, my brother-in-law, Ken Mild drove up from Pennsylvania > with > his 12 ft LOA aluminum Jon boat. We drove over to a MDNR boat launch on > the West Arm of Wixom Lake. With the lake level much lower than normal > summer pool, the boat launch is closed. The 1st attached photo shows > how > much below the level of the launch ramps the water level is now. But, > Ken > and I were able to carry the lightweight Jon boat down the slope. We > used > my Minn Kota trolling motor to get back to the M-30 causeway, a 1-way > distance of about ? mile. The 2nd attached photo shows the rapids under > the blown out section of the M-30 causeway now. Obviously, this is not > something you can safely navigate in a Jon boat with a trolling motor! > But, I had scouted the site prior to this attempt and there was an eddy > just upstream of the rapids. I was able to tuck the Jon boat into this > eddy without getting sucked into the rapids. Then, we hiked about 300 > yards over to Johnson Mini Storage, gathered up two kayaks, paddling, > and > camping gear, and portaged it all back to the Jon boat. It took 3 > trips to > portage all this gear. The 3rd attached photo is Ken by the loaded Jon > boat with the two kayaks all rigged for towing. We motored back to the > MDNR launch site, hauled everything back up the hill, loaded the kayaks > and > gear into/on top of my minivan, and drove home. Mission accomplished! > We > started about 7:00 AM and were back home by 11:00 AM before the real > heat > of the day. > > So, now the SCUBA Shipwreck Diving and Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High > Adventure Trips can really happen next month. Life is good! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] > > [cid:image009.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 157033 bytes > Desc: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment.jpg > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 592302 bytes > Desc: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0001.jpg > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 151425 bytes > Desc: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Jul 21 19:33:01 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 23:33:01 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sea Kayaks, Paddling, & Camping Gear Recovered From Johnson Mini Storage! In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Chris, In that 3rd picture, the rapids and the rupture in the M-30 causeway shown in the 2nd picture are behind and to the right of the camera?s position. Now, I wish I?d turned around and shot a picture from the same location towards the rapids. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Geankoplis Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 7:18 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sea Kayaks, Paddling, & Camping Gear Recovered From Johnson Mini Storage! Ah ha, I think I see it now. Still.......... Chris G S/V Enosis On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 5:50 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Chris, > > Sorry there was a directional typo in the previous post. It?s fixed below. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 5:39 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Chris, > > If you look closely at the 3rd photo, you will see the so called eddy line > in the water stretching off into the distance about 15-20 ft out from the > earthen berm. It looks like a region of calm water that suddenly develops > ripples at the eddy line. The region to the left of that line is calm and > safe. The region to the right of that line is flowing towards the rapids. > So, you can see how far I had to travel westward along the berm before I > could turn north towards the MDNR boat launch. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 1:48 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Chris, > > Some people complain about their in-laws. I go on wilderness camping > trips and do ?stupid stuff? with mine. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 1:41 PM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > ?Ah, guys doing stupid stuff, I can relate to that. My brother is a master > at that too > Chris Geankoplis > Sv Enosis > > On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 at 13:13, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Chris, > > The backwater eddy was upstream of the rapids and protected from it by a > little sand spit. We never had to run the rapids. By going well to the > west and then working my way back east along the Wixom Dam?s earthen > embankment, I was able to stay out of the strong current and into the > eddy. I have done quite a bit of whitewater and had scouted the site > before attempting this. No, it was not idiot proof! My brother-in-law is > used to us doing stupid stuff like this together. He regards it as chapter > 1 in the Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High Adventure Trip. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > ?Roger, that is better than the landings and Inchon! I still an not sure > how you got past the rapids. Great job. > > Chris Geankoplis > S?V Enosis > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 12:09 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > Hi All, > > Last Saturday, my brother-in-law, Ken Mild drove up from Pennsylvania > with > his 12 ft LOA aluminum Jon boat. We drove over to a MDNR boat launch on > the West Arm of Wixom Lake. With the lake level much lower than normal > summer pool, the boat launch is closed. The 1st attached photo shows > how > much below the level of the launch ramps the water level is now. But, > Ken > and I were able to carry the lightweight Jon boat down the slope. We > used > my Minn Kota trolling motor to get back to the M-30 causeway, a 1-way > distance of about ? mile. The 2nd attached photo shows the rapids under > the blown out section of the M-30 causeway now. Obviously, this is not > something you can safely navigate in a Jon boat with a trolling motor! > But, I had scouted the site prior to this attempt and there was an eddy > just upstream of the rapids. I was able to tuck the Jon boat into this > eddy without getting sucked into the rapids. Then, we hiked about 300 > yards over to Johnson Mini Storage, gathered up two kayaks, paddling, > and > camping gear, and portaged it all back to the Jon boat. It took 3 > trips to > portage all this gear. The 3rd attached photo is Ken by the loaded Jon > boat with the two kayaks all rigged for towing. We motored back to the > MDNR launch site, hauled everything back up the hill, loaded the kayaks > and > gear into/on top of my minivan, and drove home. Mission accomplished! > We > started about 7:00 AM and were back home by 11:00 AM before the real > heat > of the day. > > So, now the SCUBA Shipwreck Diving and Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking High > Adventure Trips can really happen next month. Life is good! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] > > [cid:image005.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] > > [cid:image009.jpg at 01D65F57.B24925A0] > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 157033 bytes > Desc: D167605919824FA4BC5FFC4CB7C674B0.jpg > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment.jpg > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 592302 bytes > Desc: D7FE6DE8EFD2476AA9A5BCD62A5CD094.jpg > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0001.jpg > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 151425 bytes > Desc: BA96801C5FFF40B6BA7BAA0364A6DF0C.jpg > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200721/7fbc0651/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 20:20:05 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:20:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Seat Storage Idea Message-ID: <1595377205708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I saw in the archives where someone put a retaining bar across under the seats going into a hole in a HDPE block at one end and dropping into a slot in a HDPE block at the other end. This looks like it requires the bar to be lifted out of the slot and removed to access under the seats. I played around with an idea which seems to work really well. I made a slotted track which attaches to the fore and aft bulkheads under each seat. To access under the seat, I simply lift the bar up into a notch at the top of each track getting it totally out of the way for access. Then release the bar from the notches and it slides down the track to act as a retaining bar. I used a 1? thick 12x12 piece of HDPE cut into 4 strips 2 7/8? wide. The height from the cockpit floor to the seat bottom is more on the aft bulkhead, so that track is longer so when the bar is lowered it is an even 4 1/2? above the floor front to back. The forward bulkhead has a slope which required a spacer block to keep the same distance top to bottom between the tracks. I originally screwed the tracks vertically, but decided to angle them about 20 degrees to allow a little more storage space. Everything was done with a 1? wood bit and ripping the slots with a table saw. I used a 7/8? aluminum tube for the bar. The tracks did require a 1/4? HDPE backing plate since there is a gap at the top of the bulkheads. George Morgan SV ?Knotty Lady? 1986 The first images show the tracks before installation. This image is a forward track mounted with the required spacer block. The tracks later got angled. These two images are with the bar raised and resting in the notches. These two images are with the bar lowered. -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Jul 21 20:46:40 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:46:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Seat Storage Idea In-Reply-To: <1595377205708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: This is a very nice idea. I gather that the location of the bar when in the down position provides enough room for feet or shoes to be under the seat. How much room do you have between the bar and the side of the boat? Was the system designed for a specific container? Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91) -------- Original message --------From: Gmorganflier Date: 7/21/20 8:20 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Seat Storage Idea I saw in the archives where someone put a retaining bar across under theseats going into a hole in a HDPE block at one end and dropping into a slotin a HDPE block at the other end. This looks like it requires the bar to belifted out of the slot and removed to access under the seats. I played around with an idea which seems to work really well. I made aslotted track which attaches to the fore and aft bulkheads under each seat.To access under the seat, I simply lift the bar up into a notch at the topof each track getting it totally out of the way for access. Then release thebar from the notches and it slides down the track to act as a retaining bar. I used a 1? thick 12x12 piece of HDPE cut into 4 strips 2 7/8? wide. Theheight from the cockpit floor to the seat bottom is more on the aftbulkhead, so that track is longer so when the bar is lowered it is an even 41/2? above the floor front to back. The forward bulkhead has a slope whichrequired a spacer block to keep the same distance top to bottom between thetracks. I originally screwed the tracks vertically, but decided to anglethem about 20 degrees to allow a little more storage space. Everything was done with a 1? wood bit and ripping the slots with a tablesaw. I used a 7/8? aluminum tube for the bar. The tracks did require a 1/4? HDPE backing plate since there is a gap at thetop of the bulkheads. George MorganSV ?Knotty Lady? 1986The first images show the tracks before installation. This image is a forward track mounted with the required spacer block. Thetracks later got angled. These two images are with the bar raised and resting in the notches. These two images are with the bar lowered. --Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Jul 21 20:49:43 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:49:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The EC2 was the lowest cost AWS Linux product that was able to provide hosting and MailMan services at the time. Things may have changed since then. Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91) -------- Original message --------From: Hank Date: 7/21/20 7:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? Hey Mike,I'm curious why you are running the website on an EC2 instance.? Isn't itpretty much static?? Have you considered just having it in an S3 bucketwith cloudfront?? Then you wouldn't have to manage the OS on the EC2 andit's probably cheaper as well.HankOn Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 8:48 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote:> I cannot tell you all how happy I am that so many of you have shown> interest in the website design. Thank you Peter for creating something new> to illustrate where we can go. Thank you Luis for your efforts to work with> Nabble. I didn't know that it was open source. Thank you all for your> interest in the effort to bring our website up to date.>> For those who know significantly more than I do about web services,> especially that we should secure the website, I am happy to report that we> are hosted currently on Amazon Web Services (AWS) as an EC2 server. It> appears that a free SSL certificate may be easily obtained directly through> AWS or LetsEncrypt and added to our instance with little or no additional> cost.>> The responsibility for the rhodes22.org website and email list manager> was transferred to me from John Lock in the spring of 2016 when he lost the> ability to provide hosting services. John had assumed the responsibility> from Michael Meltzer who had hosted Rhodes22.org for several years. It> should be noted that Michael Meltzer still owns and pays for the domain> name.>> I chose AWS because felt that we needed to avoid using personal server> resources or services that might go out of business or change their rules> (GeoCities). If Amazon failed, the loss of the list would be the least of> our problems. Our AWS charges are about $15/month, a sum that I have been> happy to pay considering the activity on da list. For greater details as to> the origins of Rhodes22.org, Blew Skies, etc., I defer to Mary Lou as the> list historian since I have only been on da list since 2005 or so.>> Since I was not a webmaster, I made few changes to the website portion. I> was more concerned with survival of the email list and the archives. I> asked for volunteers and help in the past and my May 24th call was answered> by many of you this year (nearly 30 posts!)>> Rhodes22.org has more content than any sailboat forum I have visited and a> very active membership. Now, we need to make it accessible to all who visit> and easy to search. I am confident that we have the technology and the> people to make it happen.>> I want to move slowly so that our efforts are sustainable. There is so> much to talk about starting with creating a "wish list" of changes and> features followed by defining individual tasks and implementation> schedules. I would like to suggest a Zoom call to start an interactive> discussion about the possibilities, timeframes and costs (time and $$$).> Scheduling is very important as we are in the middle of sailing season in> North America.>> Mike> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NY> I?d rather be sailing :~)>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of> Frederick Lange> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 6:07 PM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL?>> SSL stands for Secure Sockets Layer, a global standard security technology> that enables encrypted communication between a web browser and a web> server.? Even if there is nothing that needs to be secured, users will be> put off if a SSL certificate is not there.>> *WWW* stands for World Wide Web.? It is no longer useful to identify a> domain as using HTML and it is too often hijacked these days.> Regards,>> Rick Lange>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:59 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote:>> > Rick,> >> > Could you clarify on your last point?> >> > On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to> > www.facebook.com/ < http://www.facebook.com/>?? Should this be just> > facebook.com < http://facebook.com/>?? Or do you mean something else?> >> > ?Peter> >> > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange> > > > > wrote:> > >> > > SSL is definitely needed.? Most internet security software, like> > > Norton, either gives a warning or requires active verification if> > > there is no> > SSL.> > > Also, stay away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect> > > target these days.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Rick Lange> > >> > >> > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> > >> >> >>> From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 21:04:28 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:04:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Seat Storage Idea In-Reply-To: <1595377205708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1595377205708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hey George, Yes, I probably was the source on the bar idea (Enosis), but you did a nicer job. After 15 years the bars still work well and have never had anything come loose even during a couple of knockdowns. Chris Geankoplis S/V Enosis On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 8:20 PM Gmorganflier wrote: > I saw in the archives where someone put a retaining bar across under the > seats going into a hole in a HDPE block at one end and dropping into a slot > in a HDPE block at the other end. This looks like it requires the bar to be > lifted out of the slot and removed to access under the seats. > > I played around with an idea which seems to work really well. I made a > slotted track which attaches to the fore and aft bulkheads under each seat. > To access under the seat, I simply lift the bar up into a notch at the top > of each track getting it totally out of the way for access. Then release > the > bar from the notches and it slides down the track to act as a retaining > bar. > > I used a 1? thick 12x12 piece of HDPE cut into 4 strips 2 7/8? wide. The > height from the cockpit floor to the seat bottom is more on the aft > bulkhead, so that track is longer so when the bar is lowered it is an even > 4 > 1/2? above the floor front to back. The forward bulkhead has a slope which > required a spacer block to keep the same distance top to bottom between the > tracks. I originally screwed the tracks vertically, but decided to angle > them about 20 degrees to allow a little more storage space. > > Everything was done with a 1? wood bit and ripping the slots with a table > saw. I used a 7/8? aluminum tube for the bar. > > The tracks did require a 1/4? HDPE backing plate since there is a gap at > the > top of the bulkheads. > > George Morgan > SV ?Knotty Lady? 1986 > > The first images show the tracks before installation. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/40A4DF44-408B-48BE-9078-D584C5E77BB9.jpeg> > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/97CC11B6-4797-44A2-9CA2-AE4F622AC40B.jpeg> > > > This image is a forward track mounted with the required spacer block. The > tracks later got angled. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/C23EC821-449B-4FF5-936C-2EEDEE82AA7C.jpeg> > > > These two images are with the bar raised and resting in the notches. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/E3BC1E3F-2E5C-49E4-8BCE-FC5684DF7ADF.jpeg> > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/D4D6AE0E-45FB-49A0-B03C-DFF6BB6DB503.jpeg> > > > These two images are with the bar lowered. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/CB7E944F-7F92-4930-BF8E-E18416537242.jpeg> > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/B39572B1-2851-453E-BB2C-D55F0054AAEF.jpeg> > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 22:01:24 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:01:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Seat Storage Idea In-Reply-To: References: <1595377205708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1595383284489-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Mike, One reason I set the bar back so much was to be sure it didn?t interfere with feet being under the seats. Since I?m a total novice and have only been sailing 4 times on my boat, the space was not planned for any particular containers. I don?t plan on any long trips where I will need a lot of storage...I?m about to put my boat on a mooring on a 6 mile by 3 mile lake. My idea for what I might keep under the seats other than fuel tanks would be my fenders and maybe a container for the anchor and rode. I think the distance from the bar to where the floor meets the side wall is about 14?. I?ll measure it tomorrow. George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 22:43:49 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 21:43:49 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Seat Storage Idea In-Reply-To: <1595377205708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1595377205708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Nice work George! Thanks for sharing. I like how you set it back to avoid people's temptation to put weight on a bar that might be exposed. The angled mounting and resting spot for the bar in the raised position are good ideas. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 7:20 PM Gmorganflier wrote: > I saw in the archives where someone put a retaining bar across under the > seats going into a hole in a HDPE block at one end and dropping into a slot > in a HDPE block at the other end. This looks like it requires the bar to be > lifted out of the slot and removed to access under the seats. > > I played around with an idea which seems to work really well. I made a > slotted track which attaches to the fore and aft bulkheads under each seat. > To access under the seat, I simply lift the bar up into a notch at the top > of each track getting it totally out of the way for access. Then release > the > bar from the notches and it slides down the track to act as a retaining > bar. > > I used a 1? thick 12x12 piece of HDPE cut into 4 strips 2 7/8? wide. The > height from the cockpit floor to the seat bottom is more on the aft > bulkhead, so that track is longer so when the bar is lowered it is an even > 4 > 1/2? above the floor front to back. The forward bulkhead has a slope which > required a spacer block to keep the same distance top to bottom between the > tracks. I originally screwed the tracks vertically, but decided to angle > them about 20 degrees to allow a little more storage space. > > Everything was done with a 1? wood bit and ripping the slots with a table > saw. I used a 7/8? aluminum tube for the bar. > > The tracks did require a 1/4? HDPE backing plate since there is a gap at > the > top of the bulkheads. > > George Morgan > SV ?Knotty Lady? 1986 > > The first images show the tracks before installation. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/40A4DF44-408B-48BE-9078-D584C5E77BB9.jpeg> > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/97CC11B6-4797-44A2-9CA2-AE4F622AC40B.jpeg> > > > This image is a forward track mounted with the required spacer block. The > tracks later got angled. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/C23EC821-449B-4FF5-936C-2EEDEE82AA7C.jpeg> > > > These two images are with the bar raised and resting in the notches. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/E3BC1E3F-2E5C-49E4-8BCE-FC5684DF7ADF.jpeg> > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/D4D6AE0E-45FB-49A0-B03C-DFF6BB6DB503.jpeg> > > > These two images are with the bar lowered. > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/CB7E944F-7F92-4930-BF8E-E18416537242.jpeg> > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/B39572B1-2851-453E-BB2C-D55F0054AAEF.jpeg> > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 07:53:02 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:53:02 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Seat Storage Idea In-Reply-To: References: <1595377205708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1595418782749-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Mike, I measured the distance this morning. From the back of the bar to where the floor meets the wall is 15 1/2?. This space gets a little smaller as the bar comes up the angled track. Here is a screenshot of a drawing of how I made the tracks if anyone is interested. George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 07:57:30 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 04:57:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cockpit Under Seat Storage Idea In-Reply-To: References: <1595377205708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1595419050925-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Chris, If I had not seen your photos of your retaining bar, I don?t think I would have come up with my idea. Thanks for inspiring me. Now I just need to get out and learn how to sail. George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From hnw555 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 09:00:44 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:00:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That explains it. DIdn't realize you were running mailman as well. Hank On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 8:49 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > The EC2 was the lowest cost AWS Linux product that was able to provide > hosting and MailMan services at the time. Things may have changed since > then. > Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91) > -------- Original message --------From: Hank Date: > 7/21/20 7:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website > need SSL? Hey Mike,I'm curious why you are running the website on an EC2 > instance. Isn't itpretty much static? Have you considered just having it > in an S3 bucketwith cloudfront? Then you wouldn't have to manage the OS on > the EC2 andit's probably cheaper as well.HankOn Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 8:48 > PM Michael D. Weisner wrote:> I cannot tell you all > how happy I am that so many of you have shown> interest in the website > design. Thank you Peter for creating something new> to illustrate where we > can go. Thank you Luis for your efforts to work with> Nabble. I didn't know > that it was open source. Thank you all for your> interest in the effort to > bring our website up to date.>> For those who know significantly more than > I do about web services,> especially that we should secure the website, I > am happy to report that we> are hosted currently on Amazon Web Services > (AWS) as an EC2 server. It> appears that a free SSL certificate may be > easily obtained directly through> AWS or LetsEncrypt and added to our > instance with little or no additional> cost.>> The responsibility for the > rhodes22.org website and email list manager> was transferred to me from > John Lock in the spring of 2016 when he lost the> ability to provide > hosting services. John had assumed the responsibility> from Michael Meltzer > who had hosted Rhodes22.org for several years. It> should be noted that > Michael Meltzer still owns and pays for the domain> name.>> I chose AWS > because felt that we needed to avoid using personal server> resources or > services that might go out of business or change their rules> (GeoCities). > If Amazon failed, the loss of the list would be the least of> our problems. > Our AWS charges are about $15/month, a sum that I have been> happy to pay > considering the activity on da list. For greater details as to> the origins > of Rhodes22.org, Blew Skies, etc., I defer to Mary Lou as the> list > historian since I have only been on da list since 2005 or so.>> Since I was > not a webmaster, I made few changes to the website portion. I> was more > concerned with survival of the email list and the archives. I> asked for > volunteers and help in the past and my May 24th call was answered> by many > of you this year (nearly 30 posts!)>> Rhodes22.org has more content than > any sailboat forum I have visited and a> very active membership. Now, we > need to make it accessible to all who visit> and easy to search. I am > confident that we have the technology and the> people to make it happen.>> > I want to move slowly so that our efforts are sustainable. There is so> > much to talk about starting with creating a "wish list" of changes and> > features followed by defining individual tasks and implementation> > schedules. I would like to suggest a Zoom call to start an interactive> > discussion about the possibilities, timeframes and costs (time and $$$).> > Scheduling is very important as we are in the middle of sailing season in> > North America.>> Mike> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NY> I?d > rather be sailing :~)>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of> Frederick Lange> Sent: > Friday, July 17, 2020 6:07 PM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our > website need SSL?>> SSL stands for Secure Sockets Layer, a global standard > security technology> that enables encrypted communication between a web > browser and a web> server. Even if there is nothing that needs to be > secured, users will be> put off if a SSL certificate is not there.>> *WWW* > stands for World Wide Web. It is no longer useful to identify a> domain as > using HTML and it is too often hijacked these days.> Regards,>> Rick > Lange>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:59 PM Peter Nyberg < > peter at sunnybeeches.com>> wrote:>> > Rick,> >> > Could you clarify on your > last point?> >> > On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to> > > www.facebook.com/ < http://www.facebook.com/>? Should this be just> > > facebook.com < http://facebook.com/>? Or do you mean something else?> >> > > ?Peter> >> > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange> > > < > sloopblueheron at gmail.com>> > wrote:> > >> > > SSL is definitely needed. > Most internet security software, like> > > Norton, either gives a warning > or requires active verification if> > > there is no> > SSL.> > > Also, stay > away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect> > > target these > days.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Rick Lange> > >> > >> > > On Fri, Jul > 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <> > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> > >> >> >>> From mark at whipplefamily.com Wed Jul 22 09:57:21 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:57:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As someone who worked in IT for years before becoming a technology teacher I have one caution. Whatever you do, do it with the future list members in mind. Someone else is going to have to maintain this site down the road so I'd suggest favoring basic, commonly-used technology over cool new stuff with bells and whistles. None of us will be list members forever and we don't have any guarantee that anyone who joins the list years from now will have the skills that some of you possess. Just something to think about. Mark On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:00 AM Hank wrote: > That explains it. DIdn't realize you were running mailman as well. > > Hank > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 8:49 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > The EC2 was the lowest cost AWS Linux product that was able to provide > > hosting and MailMan services at the time. Things may have changed since > > then. > > Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91) > > -------- Original message --------From: Hank Date: > > 7/21/20 7:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our > website > > need SSL? Hey Mike,I'm curious why you are running the website on an EC2 > > instance. Isn't itpretty much static? Have you considered just having > it > > in an S3 bucketwith cloudfront? Then you wouldn't have to manage the OS > on > > the EC2 andit's probably cheaper as well.HankOn Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 8:48 > > PM Michael D. Weisner wrote:> I cannot tell you all > > how happy I am that so many of you have shown> interest in the website > > design. Thank you Peter for creating something new> to illustrate where > we > > can go. Thank you Luis for your efforts to work with> Nabble. I didn't > know > > that it was open source. Thank you all for your> interest in the effort > to > > bring our website up to date.>> For those who know significantly more > than > > I do about web services,> especially that we should secure the website, I > > am happy to report that we> are hosted currently on Amazon Web Services > > (AWS) as an EC2 server. It> appears that a free SSL certificate may be > > easily obtained directly through> AWS or LetsEncrypt and added to our > > instance with little or no additional> cost.>> The responsibility for the > > rhodes22.org website and email list manager> was transferred to me from > > John Lock in the spring of 2016 when he lost the> ability to provide > > hosting services. John had assumed the responsibility> from Michael > Meltzer > > who had hosted Rhodes22.org for several years. It> should be noted that > > Michael Meltzer still owns and pays for the domain> name.>> I chose AWS > > because felt that we needed to avoid using personal server> resources or > > services that might go out of business or change their rules> > (GeoCities). > > If Amazon failed, the loss of the list would be the least of> our > problems. > > Our AWS charges are about $15/month, a sum that I have been> happy to pay > > considering the activity on da list. For greater details as to> the > origins > > of Rhodes22.org, Blew Skies, etc., I defer to Mary Lou as the> list > > historian since I have only been on da list since 2005 or so.>> Since I > was > > not a webmaster, I made few changes to the website portion. I> was more > > concerned with survival of the email list and the archives. I> asked for > > volunteers and help in the past and my May 24th call was answered> by > many > > of you this year (nearly 30 posts!)>> Rhodes22.org has more content than > > any sailboat forum I have visited and a> very active membership. Now, we > > need to make it accessible to all who visit> and easy to search. I am > > confident that we have the technology and the> people to make it > happen.>> > > I want to move slowly so that our efforts are sustainable. There is so> > > much to talk about starting with creating a "wish list" of changes and> > > features followed by defining individual tasks and implementation> > > schedules. I would like to suggest a Zoom call to start an interactive> > > discussion about the possibilities, timeframes and costs (time and $$$).> > > Scheduling is very important as we are in the middle of sailing season > in> > > North America.>> Mike> s/v Wind Lass ('91)> Nissequogue River, NY> I?d > > rather be sailing :~)>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of> Frederick Lange> Sent: > > Friday, July 17, 2020 6:07 PM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our > > website need SSL?>> SSL stands for Secure Sockets Layer, a global > standard > > security technology> that enables encrypted communication between a web > > browser and a web> server. Even if there is nothing that needs to be > > secured, users will be> put off if a SSL certificate is not there.>> > *WWW* > > stands for World Wide Web. It is no longer useful to identify a> domain > as > > using HTML and it is too often hijacked these days.> Regards,>> Rick > > Lange>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 5:59 PM Peter Nyberg < > > peter at sunnybeeches.com>> wrote:>> > Rick,> >> > Could you clarify on > your > > last point?> >> > On the proposed new home page I?ve included a link to> > > > > www.facebook.com/ < http://www.facebook.com/>? Should this be just> > > > facebook.com < http://facebook.com/>? Or do you mean something else?> > >> > > > ?Peter> >> > > On Jul 17, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Frederick Lange> > > < > > sloopblueheron at gmail.com>> > wrote:> > >> > > SSL is definitely needed. > > Most internet security software, like> > > Norton, either gives a warning > > or requires active verification if> > > there is no> > SSL.> > > Also, > stay > > away from the www prefix as that's a common redirect> > > target these > > days.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Rick Lange> > >> > >> > > On Fri, Jul > > 17, 2020 at 5:24 PM Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <> > > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> > >> >> >>> > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 10:32:56 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Frederick Lange) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:32:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does our website need SSL? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, Good advice. I volunteer to administer websites for some nonprofits and a club. These sites range from averaging 5000 visits a month to less than 100. Most sites I have taken on due to the previous admin leaving this world. The absolutely worst nightmare is taking on a site that has been running on a private server. Next worst to transfer admin is a site on goDaddy, and it is overpriced. The easiest is Wordpress.com. It is very inexpensive for nonprofits who don't sell anything. For content management, it only uses Wordpress which is familiar to many. So new talent is easy to find. And support is non-geeky and effective. Regards, Rick Lange On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:57 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > As someone who worked in IT for years before becoming a technology teacher > I have one caution. Whatever you do, do it with the future list members in > mind. Someone else is going to have to maintain this site down the road so > I'd suggest favoring basic, commonly-used technology over cool new stuff > with bells and whistles. None of us will be list members forever and we > don't have any guarantee that anyone who joins the list years from now will > have the skills that some of you possess. Just something to think about. > > Mark > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 9:00 AM Hank wrote: > > > That explains it. DIdn't realize you were running mailman as well. > > > > Hank > > > > On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 8:49 PM Michael D. Weisner > > wrote: > > > > > The EC2 was the lowest cost AWS Linux product that was able to provide > > > hosting and MailMan services at the time. Things may have changed since > > > then. > > > Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91) > > > -------- Original message --------From: Hank Date: > > > 7/21/20 7:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Does our > > website > > > need SSL? Hey Mike,I'm curious why you are running the website on an > EC2 > > > instance. Isn't itpretty much static? Have you considered just having > > it > > > in an S3 bucketwith cloudfront? Then you wouldn't have to manage the > OS > > on > > > the EC2 andit's probably cheaper as well.HankOn Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at > 8:48 > > > PM Michael D. Weisner wrote:> I cannot tell you > all > > > how happy I am that so many of you have shown> interest in the website > > > design. Thank you Peter for creating something new> to illustrate where > > we > > > can go. Thank you Luis for your efforts to work with> Nabble. I didn't > > know > > > that it was open source. Thank you all for your> interest in the effort > > to > > > bring our website up to date.>> For those who know significantly more > > than > > > I do about web services,> especially that we should secure the > website, I > > > am happy to report that we> are hosted currently on Amazon Web Services > > > (AWS) as an EC2 server. It> appears that a free SSL certificate may be > > > easily obtained directly through> AWS or LetsEncrypt and added to our > > > instance with little or no additional> cost.>> The responsibility for > the > > > rhodes22.org website and email list manager> was transferred to me > from > > > John Lock in the spring of 2016 when he lost the> ability to provide > > > hosting services. John had assumed the responsibility> from Michael > > Meltzer > > > who had hosted Rhodes22.org for several years. It> should be noted that > > > Michael Meltzer still owns and pays for the domain> name.>> I chose AWS > > > because felt that we needed to avoid using personal server> resources > or > > > services that might go out of business or change their rules> > > (GeoCities). > > > If Amazon failed, the loss of the list would be the least of> our > > problems. > > > Our AWS charges are about $15/month, a sum that I have been> happy to > pay > > > considering the activity on da list. For greater details as to> the > > origins > > > of Rhodes22.org, Blew Skies, etc., I defer to Mary Lou as the> list > > > historian since I have only been on da list since 2005 or so.>> Since I > > was > > > not a webmaster, I made few changes to the website portion. I> was more > > > concerned with survival of the email list and the archives. I> asked > for > > > volunteers and help in the past and my May 24th call was answered> by > > many > > > of you this year (nearly 30 posts!)>> Rhodes22.org has more content > than > > > any sailboat forum I have visited and a> very active membership. Now, > we > > > need to make it accessible to all who visit> and easy to search. I am > > > confident that we have the technology and the> people to make it > > happen.>> > > > I want to move slowly so that our efforts are sustainable. There i