[Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for only a little while longer

Mon Jun 1 06:13:08 EDT 2020

Anyone have pictures of how the “scrap hose pieces” fit around the
diamondboard?

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 2:19 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was also not shocked to not find the “two scraps of garden hose” I’ve
> heard so much about. I think they dampen noise and movement near the pivot
> of the board, and my board does “rattle” while sailing whenever it’s not
> fully loaded. Does anyone have pictures of how/where those pieces of hose
> should go when I reassemble everything?  Thanks again!
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:51 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Got the board pulled today and the local yard should be able to repair it
>> this week. Here is a picture in case anyone is curious about the layers of
>> construction.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:00 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Stan. I already have two of those three upgrades and love them
>>> but have been thinking about a new tiller at some point!
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:02 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oliver,
>>>>
>>>> www.rhodes22parts.com has parts for the Rhodes that are not available
>>>> from marine suppliers.  In the case of your diamond board however I do
>>>> think that it would be less costly if you have your current one
>>>> repaired
>>>> locally.  Freight alone for a centerboard can be an item.  With all
>>>> that
>>>> saving how about a new style outhaul car or a fabulous fiberglass
>>>> tiller
>>>> or the new invention traveler system.
>>>>
>>>> While you got me to my keyboard, a comment.  Every action has an equal
>>>> and opposite reaction. Every recycled and new Rhodes has a yoke that
>>>> prevents the genoa line from leaving its drum so the energy needed to
>>>> pull out the sail is not altered.  From a 94 year old perspective every
>>>> ounce is an item.  For you young bucks the extra force needed to pull
>>>> out the genoa with either Mikes or Rogers ingenious tension techniques
>>>> would hardly be measurable so a small price to pay.  Besides who sails
>>>> at 94.
>>>>
>>>> And Don, if you are listening, I have no recollection of your inquiring
>>>> about a rub rail insert replacement. We have those in stock for Boston
>>>> Whaler owners since their boats came with red and we are the only ones
>>>> who also have that color.  But the reflective tape idea sound
>>>> interesting?
>>>>
>>>> On 5/24/20 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>>>> > Hi Stan!  It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed in...if
>>>> not
>>>> > than definitely glued down well. I think I’d damage the hull
>>>> interface just
>>>> > by removing it. I’m thinking about just enlarging the inner opening
>>>> with a
>>>> > keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don’t think the slick
>>>> surface
>>>> > on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface
>>>> either...that
>>>> > might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond boards,
>>>> or is
>>>> > it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
>>>> >
>>>> > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Mary Lou,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report
>>>> what my
>>>> >> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
>>>> >> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the
>>>> cb in
>>>> >> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
>>>> >> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
>>>> >> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB
>>>> DESIGNED
>>>> >> IT TO BE.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>>> >>> Hi Olivier,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
>>>> >>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the
>>>> raising
>>>> >>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart
>>>> >>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan
>>>> >>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said
>>>> >>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
>>>> >>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
>>>> >>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange
>>>> >>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the
>>>> >>> subject from 2003 were:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of
>>>> >>> the trunk and
>>>> >>> neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage between
>>>> >>> the fiberglass
>>>> >>> gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in place
>>>> and
>>>> >>> just use a
>>>> >>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb
>>>> trunk -
>>>> >>> it should
>>>> >>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other hand
>>>> >>> there was
>>>> >>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do
>>>> whatever
>>>> >>> is necessary
>>>> >>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the
>>>> trunk
>>>> >>> lip to
>>>> >>> receive the neoprene gasket."
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided
>>>> >>> not to mess with it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Sorry this isn't more help.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Mary Lou
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>>>> >>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
>>>> >>>> through...
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white
>>>> piece is
>>>> >>>> glued to the boat...I’m sure of it.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <
>>>> rbeytagh at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>> The pic didn’t come through?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled
>>>> >>>>>> the boat
>>>> >>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to
>>>> pull
>>>> >>>>>> it. I
>>>> >>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind
>>>> nuts and
>>>> >>>>> now
>>>> >>>>>> I can’t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the
>>>> white
>>>> >>>>>> piece
>>>> >>>>> of
>>>> >>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I’m afraid to
>>>> destroy
>>>> >>>>>> it by
>>>> >>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
>>>> >>>>>> removable?  I
>>>> >>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
>>>> >>>>>> inaccessible. I’ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I
>>>> have to
>>>> >>>>> head
>>>> >>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>> --
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>> Richard Beytagh
>>>> >>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
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