[Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for only a little while longer

Mon Jun 1 18:52:42 EDT 2020

Richard, I didn’t see the picture come through. Are the hose pieces
“intact”, meaning I cut a few inches off of a hose but don’t have to split
it lengthwise or do anything else like that?

On Mon, Jun 1, 2020 at 5:19 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Ric,
>
> I love the phrase " when the CB entered the cabin."
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I’d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Richard Stott
> Sent: Monday, June 1, 2020 4:40 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
> only a little while longer
>
> HI Todd
> I don’t have a Diamond board, I have the old style CB.
> Here are some pics of how it is rigged including the hose pieces.
> They can be anything, but do not make the diameter too big or they will
> impede the smoothness of the CB operation (on the old stye ) They do help
> quiet the banging noise,  but they do not prevent it.
> I‘ve taken my CB part 3 times now for various reasons.
> I don’t want to do that any more.
> Most recently, I installed a new cap after I destroyed the previous one
> when the CB entered the cabin.
> Boating is a sure bet that something will happen the you never, ever
> expected.
> More on that coming soon.
> Ric
> Dadventure
>
>
> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> www.stottarchitecture.com
> Office  631-283-1777
> Cell            516-965-3164
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 1, 2020, at 7:01 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Someone will surely post pictures, but they drop down into the slots on
> > either side of the centerboard, on top of the pin.
> >
> > Todd T.
> >
> > tavares0947 at gmail.com
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 1, 2020, 6:13 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Anyone have pictures of how the “scrap hose pieces” fit around the
> >> diamondboard?
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 2:19 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I was also not shocked to not find the “two scraps of garden hose” I’ve
> >>> heard so much about. I think they dampen noise and movement near the
> >> pivot
> >>> of the board, and my board does “rattle” while sailing whenever it’s
> not
> >>> fully loaded. Does anyone have pictures of how/where those pieces of
> hose
> >>> should go when I reassemble everything?  Thanks again!
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:51 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Got the board pulled today and the local yard should be able to repair
> >> it
> >>>> this week. Here is a picture in case anyone is curious about the
> layers
> >> of
> >>>> construction.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:00 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Stan. I already have two of those three upgrades and love them
> >>>>> but have been thinking about a new tiller at some point!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:02 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oliver,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> www.rhodes22parts.com has parts for the Rhodes that are not
> available
> >>>>>> from marine suppliers.  In the case of your diamond board however I
> do
> >>>>>> think that it would be less costly if you have your current one
> >>>>>> repaired
> >>>>>> locally.  Freight alone for a centerboard can be an item.  With all
> >>>>>> that
> >>>>>> saving how about a new style outhaul car or a fabulous fiberglass
> >>>>>> tiller
> >>>>>> or the new invention traveler system.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> While you got me to my keyboard, a comment.  Every action has an
> equal
> >>>>>> and opposite reaction. Every recycled and new Rhodes has a yoke that
> >>>>>> prevents the genoa line from leaving its drum so the energy needed
> to
> >>>>>> pull out the sail is not altered.  From a 94 year old perspective
> >> every
> >>>>>> ounce is an item.  For you young bucks the extra force needed to
> pull
> >>>>>> out the genoa with either Mikes or Rogers ingenious tension
> techniques
> >>>>>> would hardly be measurable so a small price to pay.  Besides who
> sails
> >>>>>> at 94.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> And Don, if you are listening, I have no recollection of your
> >> inquiring
> >>>>>> about a rub rail insert replacement. We have those in stock for
> Boston
> >>>>>> Whaler owners since their boats came with red and we are the only
> ones
> >>>>>> who also have that color.  But the reflective tape idea sound
> >>>>>> interesting?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 5/24/20 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi Stan!  It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed
> in...if
> >>>>>> not
> >>>>>>> than definitely glued down well. I think I’d damage the hull
> >>>>>> interface just
> >>>>>>> by removing it. I’m thinking about just enlarging the inner opening
> >>>>>> with a
> >>>>>>> keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don’t think the slick
> >>>>>> surface
> >>>>>>> on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface
> >>>>>> either...that
> >>>>>>> might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond
> boards,
> >>>>>> or is
> >>>>>>> it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mary Lou,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report
> >>>>>> what my
> >>>>>>>> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
> >>>>>>>> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the
> >>>>>> cb in
> >>>>>>>> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
> >>>>>>>> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
> >>>>>>>> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB
> >>>>>> DESIGNED
> >>>>>>>> IT TO BE.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Olivier,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
> >>>>>>>>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the
> >>>>>> raising
> >>>>>>>>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it
> >> apart
> >>>>>>>>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked
> >> Stan
> >>>>>>>>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and
> >> said
> >>>>>>>>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
> >>>>>>>>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
> >>>>>>>>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the
> exchange
> >>>>>>>>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on
> >> the
> >>>>>>>>> subject from 2003 were:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip
> >> of
> >>>>>>>>> the trunk and
> >>>>>>>>> neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage
> >> between
> >>>>>>>>> the fiberglass
> >>>>>>>>> gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in
> place
> >>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>> just use a
> >>>>>>>>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb
> >>>>>> trunk -
> >>>>>>>>> it should
> >>>>>>>>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other
> >> hand
> >>>>>>>>> there was
> >>>>>>>>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do
> >>>>>> whatever
> >>>>>>>>> is necessary
> >>>>>>>>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the
> >>>>>> trunk
> >>>>>>>>> lip to
> >>>>>>>>> receive the neoprene gasket."
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we
> >> decided
> >>>>>>>>> not to mess with it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Sorry this isn't more help.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Mary Lou
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
> >>>>>>>>>> through...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white
> >>>>>> piece is
> >>>>>>>>>> glued to the boat...I’m sure of it.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <
> >>>>>> rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> The pic didn’t come through?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <
> >> oehecht at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I
> >> pulled
> >>>>>>>>>>>> the boat
> >>>>>>>>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to
> >>>>>> pull
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it. I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind
> >>>>>> nuts and
> >>>>>>>>>>> now
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can’t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the
> >>>>>> white
> >>>>>>>>>>>> piece
> >>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I’m afraid to
> >>>>>> destroy
> >>>>>>>>>>>> it by
> >>>>>>>>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> removable?  I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot
> >> is
> >>>>>>>>>>>> inaccessible. I’ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I
> >>>>>> have to
> >>>>>>>>>>> head
> >>>>>>>>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Richard Beytagh
> >>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
> >>>>>>>>>>>
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