From cgeisser12345 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 00:31:17 2020
From: cgeisser12345 at gmail.com (Carl Geisser)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 21:31:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is the oldest R22
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Mark,  I have  never worked in Virginia beach,  so have to say that is not
me.
Will ask stan about slider...
Carl



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From cgeisser12345 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 01:03:28 2020
From: cgeisser12345 at gmail.com (Carl Geisser)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:03:28 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is the oldest R22
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She is in pretty rough shape, cosmeticly- wise, but still quite functional. 
With restoring the positive flotation in her, we are not afraid to" push the
envelope" as it were. And have found that she sails well up to 30 knot winds
(tiny storm jib and 2 reefs in main) and about 8ft swell. We tested a
comment i read on here somewhere about the swell at the side helping her to
not get knocked down, which we proved was indeed true. On a narrow local
lake here, part of the lake goes between 2 mountains, which if you catch the
wind right, can be very strong, with full sail, we intentionally tried to
knock her over. What a rush! What happened was as you bury the rail,
(hanging onto the hull swell on the opposite side)  about 20-30 gallons of
water comes over into the cockpit and acts like a giant brake, slowing you
immediately,  rounding up into the wind and allowing you to bail for quite
some time :)
We have enjoyed many adventures on her, and plan on many more.
(Was thinking a longer Bahamas cruise than our first one this summer,
although with the covid stuff happening,  probably not this year) 
She has very gradually improved as we work on her over the years, and I
estimate by the time her 60th birthday rolls around, she will be  in nearly
new condition.  :)

Carl



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From cgeisser12345 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 01:10:47 2020
From: cgeisser12345 at gmail.com (Carl Geisser)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2020 22:10:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deck Check Blocks
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If the frame is good, (hard to tell in picture)  you can get a replacement
sheave for many pulleys, just measure your outer diameter, inner or axle
diameter,  and thickness. Google search replacement sheave.

Carl



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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri May  1 08:51:37 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 12:51:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is the oldest R22
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Carl,
Sounds like you have have the oldest boats in the fleet and she is much different from the current designs.  I for one would be interested in seeing any pictures if you have any. - rob

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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] what is the oldest R22

I have a 1970 continental , the hull number is not in the GB format, not sure
why.
However my title says 1970 Rhodes 22, hull number NJZ322820686.
Not sure what is the reason for the odd hull number.
some things are different on mine i have noticed, rigging has fewer lines (6
rather than 9) no compression post (uses a beam across the cabin roof).
Shorter galley, longer v-berth, no front ports ,nor hatches.
not sure which features are originals, which have been changed/added over
the years, but that is what I have.
 She is a tough old boat though, have sailed her a bunch, in lakes here in
Arkansas , the gulf a bit, and one trip to Bimini.
Currently fixing her up for the summer, looking for a used poptop slider if
anyone has one laying about.

Carl



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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri May  1 17:36:23 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 16:36:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is the oldest R22
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Hey Carl,,
If you plan on going next winter to the Bahamas I my wife and would meeting
up with you as we usually spend winters in the Bahamas on our not-a-Rhodes
boat.
Chris & Alice Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 00:03, Carl Geisser <cgeisser12345 at gmail.com> wrote:

> She is in pretty rough shape, cosmeticly- wise, but still quite
> functional.
> With restoring the positive flotation in her, we are not afraid to" push
> the
> envelope" as it were. And have found that she sails well up to 30 knot
> winds
> (tiny storm jib and 2 reefs in main) and about 8ft swell. We tested a
> comment i read on here somewhere about the swell at the side helping her to
> not get knocked down, which we proved was indeed true. On a narrow local
> lake here, part of the lake goes between 2 mountains, which if you catch
> the
> wind right, can be very strong, with full sail, we intentionally tried to
> knock her over. What a rush! What happened was as you bury the rail,
> (hanging onto the hull swell on the opposite side)  about 20-30 gallons of
> water comes over into the cockpit and acts like a giant brake, slowing you
> immediately,  rounding up into the wind and allowing you to bail for quite
> some time :)
> We have enjoyed many adventures on her, and plan on many more.
> (Was thinking a longer Bahamas cruise than our first one this summer,
> although with the covid stuff happening,  probably not this year)
> She has very gradually improved as we work on her over the years, and I
> estimate by the time her 60th birthday rolls around, she will be  in nearly
> new condition.  :)
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From cgeisser12345 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 22:05:25 2020
From: cgeisser12345 at gmail.com (Carl Geisser)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 19:05:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is the oldest R22
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I have a few, but will take some fresh ones, any particular features you
interested in?



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From cgeisser12345 at gmail.com  Fri May  1 22:08:21 2020
From: cgeisser12345 at gmail.com (Carl Geisser)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 19:08:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is the oldest R22
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That would be awesome!  Do not have any concrete plans at this time, just a
glimmer of an idea at this juncture. You and Bill were the inspiration for
our first trip there.



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From cgeisser12345 at gmail.com  Sat May  2 09:07:26 2020
From: cgeisser12345 at gmail.com (Carl Geisser)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 06:07:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swinging at anchor?
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I have used the bow eye for anchoring if the weather is bad or strong tides
in the area we are in, although mine pulled out, not because of original
construction,  but somebody put regular steel nuts on the inside, and they
rusted through. I plan on replacing it this year.  
I like the painter idea, as hanging upside down to thread rode through eye
is no fun, even less if choppy.
We have used many different configurations to anchor, once even tried 3
different anchors, trying to hold straight into th he waves, which were
broadside to the wind, something weird about the lagoon or tide, not sure .
It didn't work though, because the waves changed direction 2 hours later,
one of the rolliest nights spent at anchor.
Once used 3 anchors to hold in strong tide with 20-30 knot winds going with
the tides, was very nervous and got up to look at lines every 2 hours. Only
one anchor dragged (small dingy anchor) and we did not get blown out into
the gulf stream, so was all good.
We used the storm jib a couple times for a staysail, a little big, but it
worked.(we always called it the anchor sail, not knowing the proper term)
If the weather is calm, we mostly use the bow cleat, just easier and
quicker.



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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat May  2 10:37:52 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2020 09:37:52 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is the oldest R22
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Well just keep your goal in mind. Contact me if you have any question or
there is anything I can do to help

Chris G
Enosis

On Fri, 1 May 2020 at 21:08, Carl Geisser <cgeisser12345 at gmail.com> wrote:

> That would be awesome!  Do not have any concrete plans at this time, just a
> glimmer of an idea at this juncture. You and Bill were the inspiration for
> our first trip there.
>
>
>
> --
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>

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sun May  3 08:33:56 2020
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 08:33:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swinging at anchor?
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I use my Bow eye for mooring and I can still reach it by kneeling on the bow and reaching under the pulpit. Hauling the boat last fall, I noticed the bow eye was loose and had about 3/4? of play. I crawled into the forepeak and found that the two nuts on the Stainless D ring were rusted  steel. The wood book had rotted at the washer and compressed 3/4?. I didn?t want to cut the eye off because I was unsure I could find the exact size replacement and did not want to epoxy the holes shut and re-drill them. So I crawled back into the bow with a Dremmel tool, surgically cut the nuts off and salvaged the Bow Eye. Stan told me his shop would never do use regular steel nuts, but obviously they did it more than once. 
And that?s just the beginning of my ?Bad Haul Leads to  Centerboard Cap Rebuild? story.  If anyone is interested, I?ll take the time to document what not to do when hauling or launching a Rhodes 22 with an old style centerboard. 
Ric
sv Dadventure 
Hampton Bays. 



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> On May 2, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Carl Geisser <cgeisser12345 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have used the bow eye for anchoring if the weather is bad or strong tides
> in the area we are in, although mine pulled out, not because of original
> construction,  but somebody put regular steel nuts on the inside, and they
> rusted through. I plan on replacing it this year.  
> I like the painter idea, as hanging upside down to thread rode through eye
> is no fun, even less if choppy.
> We have used many different configurations to anchor, once even tried 3
> different anchors, trying to hold straight into th he waves, which were
> broadside to the wind, something weird about the lagoon or tide, not sure .
> It didn't work though, because the waves changed direction 2 hours later,
> one of the rolliest nights spent at anchor.
> Once used 3 anchors to hold in strong tide with 20-30 knot winds going with
> the tides, was very nervous and got up to look at lines every 2 hours. Only
> one anchor dragged (small dingy anchor) and we did not get blown out into
> the gulf stream, so was all good.
> We used the storm jib a couple times for a staysail, a little big, but it
> worked.(we always called it the anchor sail, not knowing the proper term)
> If the weather is calm, we mostly use the bow cleat, just easier and
> quicker.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Sun May  3 08:57:44 2020
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 08:57:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swinging at anor?
In-Reply-To: <11A92295-2AF6-477E-8632-5A2692D73DB6@stottarchitecture.com>
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Ric, I would guess there a larger number of Rhodes 22 with the old style
center boards than those with the diamond  boards. A lot of people could
benifit from your experience and what to avoid.
Cary

On Sun, May 3, 2020, 8:34 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> I use my Bow eye for mooring and I can still reach it by kneeling on the
> bow and reaching under the pulpit. Hauling the boat last fall, I noticed
> the bow eye was loose and had about 3/4? of play. I crawled into the
> forepeak and found that the two nuts on the Stainless D ring were rusted
> steel. The wood book had rotted at the washer and compressed 3/4?. I didn?t
> want to cut the eye off because I was unsure I could find the exact size
> replacement and did not want to epoxy the holes shut and re-drill them. So
> I crawled back into the bow with a Dremmel tool, surgically cut the nuts
> off and salvaged the Bow Eye. Stan told me his shop would never do use
> regular steel nuts, but obviously they did it more than once.
> And that?s just the beginning of my ?Bad Haul Leads to  Centerboard Cap
> Rebuild? story.  If anyone is interested, I?ll take the time to document
> what not to do when hauling or launching a Rhodes 22 with an old style
> centerboard.
> Ric
> sv Dadventure
> Hampton Bays.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 2, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Carl Geisser <cgeisser12345 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I have used the bow eye for anchoring if the weather is bad or strong
> tides
> > in the area we are in, although mine pulled out, not because of original
> > construction,  but somebody put regular steel nuts on the inside, and
> they
> > rusted through. I plan on replacing it this year.
> > I like the painter idea, as hanging upside down to thread rode through
> eye
> > is no fun, even less if choppy.
> > We have used many different configurations to anchor, once even tried 3
> > different anchors, trying to hold straight into th he waves, which were
> > broadside to the wind, something weird about the lagoon or tide, not
> sure .
> > It didn't work though, because the waves changed direction 2 hours later,
> > one of the rolliest nights spent at anchor.
> > Once used 3 anchors to hold in strong tide with 20-30 knot winds going
> with
> > the tides, was very nervous and got up to look at lines every 2 hours.
> Only
> > one anchor dragged (small dingy anchor) and we did not get blown out into
> > the gulf stream, so was all good.
> > We used the storm jib a couple times for a staysail, a little big, but it
> > worked.(we always called it the anchor sail, not knowing the proper term)
> > If the weather is calm, we mostly use the bow cleat, just easier and
> > quicker.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From stan at generalboats.com  Sun May  3 09:13:07 2020
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 09:13:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swinging at anchor?
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I spot a little damage control work needed here:

It is true, I told Ric we do not use steel anywhere on our boats, 
because we do not.? There is no steel, other than stainless steel 
anywhere in the plant boat parts inventory with the exception of maybe 
anchors or trailers.

Rhodes bow and stern eyes are, and always have been stainless steel.? If 
you have a steel nut or any steel parts on your boat, it is from an 
installation of prior owners or a misstep by a supplier who sold that 
item as being marine grade stainless steel.? I have heard that story 
before about how the centerboard cap was put on with stainless machine 
screws and stainless fender washers but with steel nuts.? That is Nuts.? 
(Actually we use ss aircraft lock nuts.)?? We don't have steel nuts in 
our plant.? If we used steel anywhere on our boats, after 50 years in 
production there would never be so many Rhodes out there sailing.? The 
plant is open for anyone who wants to drop in unannounced, with a magnet.

stan

On 5/3/20 8:33 AM, Ric Stott wrote:
> I use my Bow eye for mooring and I can still reach it by kneeling on the bow and reaching under the pulpit. Hauling the boat last fall, I noticed the bow eye was loose and had about 3/4? of play. I crawled into the forepeak and found that the two nuts on the Stainless D ring were rusted  steel. The wood book had rotted at the washer and compressed 3/4?. I didn?t want to cut the eye off because I was unsure I could find the exact size replacement and did not want to epoxy the holes shut and re-drill them. So I crawled back into the bow with a Dremmel tool, surgically cut the nuts off and salvaged the Bow Eye. Stan told me his shop would never do use regular steel nuts, but obviously they did it more than once.
> And that?s just the beginning of my ?Bad Haul Leads to  Centerboard Cap Rebuild? story.  If anyone is interested, I?ll take the time to document what not to do when hauling or launching a Rhodes 22 with an old style centerboard.
> Ric
> sv Dadventure
> Hampton Bays.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 2, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Carl Geisser <cgeisser12345 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?I have used the bow eye for anchoring if the weather is bad or strong tides
>> in the area we are in, although mine pulled out, not because of original
>> construction,  but somebody put regular steel nuts on the inside, and they
>> rusted through. I plan on replacing it this year.
>> I like the painter idea, as hanging upside down to thread rode through eye
>> is no fun, even less if choppy.
>> We have used many different configurations to anchor, once even tried 3
>> different anchors, trying to hold straight into th he waves, which were
>> broadside to the wind, something weird about the lagoon or tide, not sure .
>> It didn't work though, because the waves changed direction 2 hours later,
>> one of the rolliest nights spent at anchor.
>> Once used 3 anchors to hold in strong tide with 20-30 knot winds going with
>> the tides, was very nervous and got up to look at lines every 2 hours. Only
>> one anchor dragged (small dingy anchor) and we did not get blown out into
>> the gulf stream, so was all good.
>> We used the storm jib a couple times for a staysail, a little big, but it
>> worked.(we always called it the anchor sail, not knowing the proper term)
>> If the weather is calm, we mostly use the bow cleat, just easier and
>> quicker.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Sun May  3 10:11:07 2020
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 10:11:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swinging at anchor?
In-Reply-To: <20856844-1ee3-1d69-fb8d-516c42424299@generalboats.com>
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Did not intend to diminish the quality perceptions of General Boats or especially its captain. Mistakes and mishaps are always around us in life. 
It?s understandable that once in awhile, steel and stainless steel parts get mixed  up and the mistake is missed by the installer.  It?s Even possible that a guy like me who has owned and repaired boats since I was 4 years old could screw up so bad that I sunk my boat right on its own trailer and caused a catastrophic condition that would have ended the useful life of some Rhodes 22s. 
But thanks to Stan, I was able to purchase a newly molded CB cap. I had to perform surgery on it as well because it did not include the rigging block and Stainless Steel turning post needed to rig the  centerboard control line. Stan offered an easier solution, but I didn?t like its simplicity and insisted on rebuilding the original control system design which was much more difficult. 
Covid 19 actually gave me the spare time I needed to fix the cap the floor boards and console base that were destroyed in the haul. 
Repairs are nearly completed as well as a new wiring and switch panel. I will be painting the bottom today and ready for launch In a few days. My 1984 Rhodes will launch this year in better shape than ever thanks to Stan?s dedication, perseverance and long life.  
I?ll add to the story with some pics in a few days. Right now I have some bottom painting to do- which always makes me Ahem - a little Blue. 
Ric
Dadventure
Hampton Bays. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 3, 2020, at 9:13 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I spot a little damage control work needed here:
> 
> It is true, I told Ric we do not use steel anywhere on our boats, because we do not.  There is no steel, other than stainless steel anywhere in the plant boat parts inventory with the exception of maybe anchors or trailers.
> 
> Rhodes bow and stern eyes are, and always have been stainless steel.  If you have a steel nut or any steel parts on your boat, it is from an installation of prior owners or a misstep by a supplier who sold that item as being marine grade stainless steel.  I have heard that story before about how the centerboard cap was put on with stainless machine screws and stainless fender washers but with steel nuts.  That is Nuts.  (Actually we use ss aircraft lock nuts.)   We don't have steel nuts in our plant.  If we used steel anywhere on our boats, after 50 years in production there would never be so many Rhodes out there sailing.  The plant is open for anyone who wants to drop in unannounced, with a magnet.
> 
> stan
> 
>> On 5/3/20 8:33 AM, Ric Stott wrote:
>> I use my Bow eye for mooring and I can still reach it by kneeling on the bow and reaching under the pulpit. Hauling the boat last fall, I noticed the bow eye was loose and had about 3/4? of play. I crawled into the forepeak and found that the two nuts on the Stainless D ring were rusted  steel. The wood book had rotted at the washer and compressed 3/4?. I didn?t want to cut the eye off because I was unsure I could find the exact size replacement and did not want to epoxy the holes shut and re-drill them. So I crawled back into the bow with a Dremmel tool, surgically cut the nuts off and salvaged the Bow Eye. Stan told me his shop would never do use regular steel nuts, but obviously they did it more than once.
>> And that?s just the beginning of my ?Bad Haul Leads to  Centerboard Cap Rebuild? story.  If anyone is interested, I?ll take the time to document what not to do when hauling or launching a Rhodes 22 with an old style centerboard.
>> Ric
>> sv Dadventure
>> Hampton Bays.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On May 2, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Carl Geisser <cgeisser12345 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I have used the bow eye for anchoring if the weather is bad or strong tides
>>> in the area we are in, although mine pulled out, not because of original
>>> construction,  but somebody put regular steel nuts on the inside, and they
>>> rusted through. I plan on replacing it this year.
>>> I like the painter idea, as hanging upside down to thread rode through eye
>>> is no fun, even less if choppy.
>>> We have used many different configurations to anchor, once even tried 3
>>> different anchors, trying to hold straight into th he waves, which were
>>> broadside to the wind, something weird about the lagoon or tide, not sure .
>>> It didn't work though, because the waves changed direction 2 hours later,
>>> one of the rolliest nights spent at anchor.
>>> Once used 3 anchors to hold in strong tide with 20-30 knot winds going with
>>> the tides, was very nervous and got up to look at lines every 2 hours. Only
>>> one anchor dragged (small dingy anchor) and we did not get blown out into
>>> the gulf stream, so was all good.
>>> We used the storm jib a couple times for a staysail, a little big, but it
>>> worked.(we always called it the anchor sail, not knowing the proper term)
>>> If the weather is calm, we mostly use the bow cleat, just easier and
>>> quicker.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> 

From Iglesiaseric2431 at outlook.com  Sun May  3 11:11:32 2020
From: Iglesiaseric2431 at outlook.com (HudsonValleyRhodes)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2020 08:11:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 1991 R22 FOR SALE
In-Reply-To: <1587217132999-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <BLAPR19MB43562A64297B2D737DB4A9D1CAC10@BLAPR19MB4356.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <1587217132999-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1588518692957-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Reduced to $3,500. Includes trailer. No motor. Has IMF.  Cash only.  Located
near Poughkeepsie,NY. Call 845-504-7460. 



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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon May  4 09:45:39 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 13:45:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swinging at anchor?
In-Reply-To: <11A92295-2AF6-477E-8632-5A2692D73DB6@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1588424846272-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <11A92295-2AF6-477E-8632-5A2692D73DB6@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB694144BAE04796B0F4C0710EC1A60@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Ric,
You know we always like to hear about misadventures.  If you care to tell your story, we'd like to hear.  I've got a centerboard story I can tell too. - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2020 8:33 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swinging at anchor?

I use my Bow eye for mooring and I can still reach it by kneeling on the bow and reaching under the pulpit. Hauling the boat last fall, I noticed the bow eye was loose and had about 3/4? of play. I crawled into the forepeak and found that the two nuts on the Stainless D ring were rusted  steel. The wood book had rotted at the washer and compressed 3/4?. I didn?t want to cut the eye off because I was unsure I could find the exact size replacement and did not want to epoxy the holes shut and re-drill them. So I crawled back into the bow with a Dremmel tool, surgically cut the nuts off and salvaged the Bow Eye. Stan told me his shop would never do use regular steel nuts, but obviously they did it more than once.
And that?s just the beginning of my ?Bad Haul Leads to  Centerboard Cap Rebuild? story.  If anyone is interested, I?ll take the time to document what not to do when hauling or launching a Rhodes 22 with an old style centerboard.
Ric
sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays.



Sent from my iPhone

> On May 2, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Carl Geisser <cgeisser12345 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?I have used the bow eye for anchoring if the weather is bad or strong tides
> in the area we are in, although mine pulled out, not because of original
> construction,  but somebody put regular steel nuts on the inside, and they
> rusted through. I plan on replacing it this year.
> I like the painter idea, as hanging upside down to thread rode through eye
> is no fun, even less if choppy.
> We have used many different configurations to anchor, once even tried 3
> different anchors, trying to hold straight into th he waves, which were
> broadside to the wind, something weird about the lagoon or tide, not sure .
> It didn't work though, because the waves changed direction 2 hours later,
> one of the rolliest nights spent at anchor.
> Once used 3 anchors to hold in strong tide with 20-30 knot winds going with
> the tides, was very nervous and got up to look at lines every 2 hours. Only
> one anchor dragged (small dingy anchor) and we did not get blown out into
> the gulf stream, so was all good.
> We used the storm jib a couple times for a staysail, a little big, but it
> worked.(we always called it the anchor sail, not knowing the proper term)
> If the weather is calm, we mostly use the bow cleat, just easier and
> quicker.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Mon May  4 19:57:14 2020
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 16:57:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ball-Lock Quick Release Pins
Message-ID: <1588636634987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

<https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--ball-lok-quick-release-pins--P002_065_009_003?recordNum=1>

Anyone had experience with these?



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From rweiss at siu.edu  Mon May  4 20:08:58 2020
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 00:08:58 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ball-Lock Quick Release Pins
In-Reply-To: <1588636634987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1588636634987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB48739299196D048A720F5503C6A70@DM6PR07MB4873.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I have used a couple of them on different sailboats and have one presently on the connection of my boom to the mast block. Much easier to use than trying to put a ring on the pin.

Bob


Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 6:57 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ball-Lock Quick Release Pins

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

<https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--ball-lok-quick-release-pins--P002_065_009_003?recordNum=1>

Anyone had experience with these?



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon May  4 21:19:10 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:19:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ball-Lock Quick Release Pins
In-Reply-To: <1588636634987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1588636634987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <2C3FE0A5-712F-4837-9693-A701FF25094B@sunnybeeches.com>

The little balls that provide the ?locking? function obviously don?t stick out from the body of the pin very far.  So, you would only want to use one of these where the pin is somewhere where there?s a pretty tight fit.  I think I would only be tempted to use one where a failure would be annoying rather than catastrophic.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On May 4, 2020, at 7:57 PM, JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> <https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--ball-lok-quick-release-pins--P002_065_009_003?recordNum=1>
> 
> Anyone had experience with these?
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> Jeff Smith
> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon May  4 21:35:13 2020
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:35:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ball-Lock Quick Release Pins
In-Reply-To: <1588636634987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1588636634987-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <005301d6227d$6d4c9480$47e5bd80$@ca>

Jeff:
I redid my stays with the straight push types thinking they would make
raising and removing the mast easier. I changed my mind one day as I watch
the pin literally drop off the lee upper stay chain plate. I had my wife
keep us heeled while I fastened the stay. Fortunately we were not in a
narrow channel. 

The pin I used didn't have the release button that the pin has that you
referenced but since then I have been suspicious of anything that makes it
easier for the mast to come down.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
JeffSmith
Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 7:57 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ball-Lock Quick Release Pins

<https://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-marine--ball-lok-quick-release-pins--P0
02_065_009_003?recordNum=1>

Anyone had experience with these?



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Tue May  5 18:44:11 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 22:44:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi there,

I am getting ready to launch my boat and was thinking of using a ramp in Yorktown, VA. I have never used the tongue extension on my trailer and was wondering about to disconnect the surge brakes. Is what I am showing in the attached picture the disconnect?

Thanks,
Alexis
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue May  5 20:29:48 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 00:29:48 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Alexis,

Do you want to disconnect your surge brakes because the flexible brake hose isn?t long enough to accommodate the tongue extension?  Or, are you experiencing surge brake lock-up when you try to back down the launch ramp?  If the hose isn?t long enough; then, you should get it replaced with a longer hose.  If your surge brakes are locking up; then, take a look at the surge brake master cylinder.  There will be a 2 position switch that will enable you to disable the trailer?s surge brakes while backing down the ramp.  Just remember to reengage the surge brakes before you head off down the road.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi there,
> 
> I am getting ready to launch my boat and was thinking of using a ramp in Yorktown, VA. I have never used the tongue extension on my trailer and was wondering about to disconnect the surge brakes. Is what I am showing in the attached picture the disconnect?
> 
> Thanks,
> Alexis
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From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Tue May  5 20:56:23 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 00:56:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
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References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
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Hi Roger,

Thanks for your response.

Yes, the flexible hose is preventing me from extending the tongue further than a foot or so. Are you thinking I can get the flexible hose replaced with a longer one?

I thought the way to go was to use a quick disconnect, but I know close to nothing about trailers...

If I were to make any change, is a store like Pep Boys allowed to do these modifications?

Thanks,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:29:48 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?

Alexis,

Do you want to disconnect your surge brakes because the flexible brake hose isn?t long enough to accommodate the tongue extension?  Or, are you experiencing surge brake lock-up when you try to back down the launch ramp?  If the hose isn?t long enough; then, you should get it replaced with a longer hose.  If your surge brakes are locking up; then, take a look at the surge brake master cylinder.  There will be a 2 position switch that will enable you to disable the trailer?s surge brakes while backing down the ramp.  Just remember to reengage the surge brakes before you head off down the road.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi there,
>
> I am getting ready to launch my boat and was thinking of using a ramp in Yorktown, VA. I have never used the tongue extension on my trailer and was wondering about to disconnect the surge brakes. Is what I am showing in the attached picture the disconnect?
>
> Thanks,
> Alexis
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From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Tue May  5 21:08:40 2020
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 21:08:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.ou
 tlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <53649.24.140.30.102.1588727320.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

Alexis,

  The quick disconnect looks like a quick disconnect for a air hose, only
a little bit smaller. Mine is made out of brass. Mine is located on the
aft end of the flexible brake hose. It look like your brake line has a
one foot section spliced in.  Maybe somebody tried to use the extender
and didn't disconnect the line first. Mine has a bracket welded to the
frame to hold the steel end of the line, so you just push the fitting on
the end of the rubber line into it. I would send you a picture, but it
is cold, dark and raining right now. I can send you a pic tomorrow.
Before you head out, you might want to extend the tongue, to make sure
the pins and tube aren't rusted in place.

Have a great adventure,
Jerry Lowe


 Hi there,
>
> I am getting ready to launch my boat and was thinking of using a ramp in
> Yorktown, VA. I have never used the tongue extension on my trailer and was
> wondering about to disconnect the surge brakes. Is what I am showing in
> the attached picture the disconnect?
>
> Thanks,
> Alexis
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue May  5 21:10:03 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 01:10:03 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
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References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
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Alexis,

Anytime you break open a hydraulic fitting, even a quick disconnect, you run the risk of introducing contamination and air bubbles into the brake system.  This is likely to cause trailer brake failure out in the middle of nowhere.  It?s far better to have a sufficiently long flexible brake line that can accommodate the trailer tongue extension without having to break open the hydraulic system.  I would go to a shop that specializes in trailers vs. a big box auto parts store like Pep Boys.  The shop will very likely have to fabricate your hydraulic line from scratch using bulk tubing and swaged fittings.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Alexis Seigneurin<mailto:alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:56 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?

Hi Roger,

Thanks for your response.

Yes, the flexible hose is preventing me from extending the tongue further than a foot or so. Are you thinking I can get the flexible hose replaced with a longer one?

I thought the way to go was to use a quick disconnect, but I know close to nothing about trailers...

If I were to make any change, is a store like Pep Boys allowed to do these modifications?

Thanks,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 8:29:48 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?

Alexis,

Do you want to disconnect your surge brakes because the flexible brake hose isn?t long enough to accommodate the tongue extension?  Or, are you experiencing surge brake lock-up when you try to back down the launch ramp?  If the hose isn?t long enough; then, you should get it replaced with a longer hose.  If your surge brakes are locking up; then, take a look at the surge brake master cylinder.  There will be a 2 position switch that will enable you to disable the trailer?s surge brakes while backing down the ramp.  Just remember to reengage the surge brakes before you head off down the road.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 5, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi there,
>
> I am getting ready to launch my boat and was thinking of using a ramp in Yorktown, VA. I have never used the tongue extension on my trailer and was wondering about to disconnect the surge brakes. Is what I am showing in the attached picture the disconnect?
>
> Thanks,
> Alexis
> [Image.jpeg]
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue May  5 21:28:49 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 21:28:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69206CA8C743FEA3917F812780A40@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920E1E0CD00C3583806D2C380A40@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <DM6PR07MB43785FC0789337A172B48C23A6A40@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69206CA8C743FEA3917F812780A40@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <38E4178D-4FA7-49B3-B239-8E55159433FF@sunnybeeches.com>

While I certainly would not disagree with anything Roger has said, I will point out that my Triad trailer came from the factory in 2016 with a quick disconnect for the brake line.  I disconnect and reconnect the line in order to extend the tongue every time I launch or retrieve my boat, which is clearly the way Triad intended the system to work.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 5, 2020, at 9:10 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Alexis,
> 
> Anytime you break open a hydraulic fitting, even a quick disconnect, you run the risk of introducing contamination and air bubbles into the brake system.  This is likely to cause trailer brake failure out in the middle of nowhere.  It?s far better to have a sufficiently long flexible brake line that can accommodate the trailer tongue extension without having to break open the hydraulic system.  I would go to a shop that specializes in trailers vs. a big box auto parts store like Pep Boys.  The shop will very likely have to fabricate your hydraulic line from scratch using bulk tubing and swaged fittings.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue May  5 21:44:22 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 21:44:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <38E4178D-4FA7-49B3-B239-8E55159433FF@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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 <DM6PR07MB43785FC0789337A172B48C23A6A40@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69206CA8C743FEA3917F812780A40@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <38E4178D-4FA7-49B3-B239-8E55159433FF@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <004e01d62347$e03b4840$a0b1d8c0$@ebsmed.com>

I like Roger's idea.

Not only will it prevent brake issues due to failure to reconnect lines and air bubbles but it will prevent water from getting into the system. Glycol-ether (DOT 3, 4, and 5.1) brake fluids are hygroscopic (water absorbing) which will eventually contaminate the fluid and damage the cylinders. Try to keep the system sealed for the best results.

Also, a proper storage system should be attached to the trailer's bow support pillar to securely hold the coiled hose when on the highway. Be sure to use velcro ties on the hose for safety and ease of use.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Tue May  5 23:24:46 2020
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 23:24:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <004e01d62347$e03b4840$a0b1d8c0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920E1E0CD00C3583806D2C380A40@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <DM6PR07MB43785FC0789337A172B48C23A6A40@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69206CA8C743FEA3917F812780A40@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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 <004e01d62347$e03b4840$a0b1d8c0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <55858.24.140.30.102.1588735486.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

The one thing I would worry about is that rubber brake line expands under
pressure, which is why vehicle makers keep them as short as possible.
After market produces stainless steel braided lines to address this. With
about ten feet of line this could be a factor.
If you go with flexible line, put a lot of thought into it's storage
system, like Mike mentioned.

Jerry Lowe



> I like Roger's idea.
>
> Not only will it prevent brake issues due to failure to reconnect lines
> and air bubbles but it will prevent water from getting into the system.
> Glycol-ether (DOT 3, 4, and 5.1) brake fluids are hygroscopic (water
> absorbing) which will eventually contaminate the fluid and damage the
> cylinders. Try to keep the system sealed for the best results.
>
> Also, a proper storage system should be attached to the trailer's bow
> support pillar to securely hold the coiled hose when on the highway. Be
> sure to use velcro ties on the hose for safety and ease of use.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>



From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed May  6 08:46:25 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 12:46:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <53649.24.140.30.102.1588727320.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
 <53649.24.140.30.102.1588727320.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB6941BE669D13260A76E1FE00C1A40@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Alex,
I'm not seeing a quick disconnect in the picture.  That looks more like a splice from a hard line to a flexible line.  The disconnect should be two pieces, similar to what it shown here. - rob

https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/700-04-04B.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-PTstaGf6QIVBO21Ch3oTAwiEAQYBCABEgL1vfD_BwE

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of cjlowe at sssnet.com <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?

Alexis,

  The quick disconnect looks like a quick disconnect for a air hose, only
a little bit smaller. Mine is made out of brass. Mine is located on the
aft end of the flexible brake hose. It look like your brake line has a
one foot section spliced in.  Maybe somebody tried to use the extender
and didn't disconnect the line first. Mine has a bracket welded to the
frame to hold the steel end of the line, so you just push the fitting on
the end of the rubber line into it. I would send you a picture, but it
is cold, dark and raining right now. I can send you a pic tomorrow.
Before you head out, you might want to extend the tongue, to make sure
the pins and tube aren't rusted in place.

Have a great adventure,
Jerry Lowe


 Hi there,
>
> I am getting ready to launch my boat and was thinking of using a ramp in
> Yorktown, VA. I have never used the tongue extension on my trailer and was
> wondering about to disconnect the surge brakes. Is what I am showing in
> the attached picture the disconnect?
>
> Thanks,
> Alexis
> [Image.jpeg]
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From mark at whipplefamily.com  Wed May  6 17:55:05 2020
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 17:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] what is the oldest R22
In-Reply-To: <1588223504352-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <648738779.1074878.1582832935138@mail.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <CA+WP5AR4faThYL4sYr1BbzFLri-vrQcy-aE98KOi-_7yfY9rFQ@mail.gmail.com>

Carl,

Your hull ID number was probably assigned by the state when the boat was
first registered in NJ. Since it was built before HIDs were required it
most likely didn't have one. Boats that were required to have an HID when
built also have that number imprinted on the hull.

Mark Whipple

Boston MA

2000 R22 Tiny Dancer
1986 Nimble 30 (for sale)
1982 Com-Pac 16  (for sale)

On Thu, Apr 30, 2020, 1:11 AM Carl Geisser <cgeisser12345 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a 1970 continental , the hull number is not in the GB format, not
> sure
> why.
> However my title says 1970 Rhodes 22, hull number NJZ322820686.
> Not sure what is the reason for the odd hull number.
> some things are different on mine i have noticed, rigging has fewer lines
> (6
> rather than 9) no compression post (uses a beam across the cabin roof).
> Shorter galley, longer v-berth, no front ports ,nor hatches.
> not sure which features are originals, which have been changed/added over
> the years, but that is what I have.
>  She is a tough old boat though, have sailed her a bunch, in lakes here in
> Arkansas , the gulf a bit, and one trip to Bimini.
> Currently fixing her up for the summer, looking for a used poptop slider if
> anyone has one laying about.
>
> Carl
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Wed May  6 18:32:07 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 22:32:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR05MB6941BE669D13260A76E1FE00C1A40@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
 <53649.24.140.30.102.1588727320.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>,
 <MN2PR05MB6941BE669D13260A76E1FE00C1A40@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB4378BA8B70045FB1CC3E4C44A6A40@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks all for the suggestions and recommendations!

And yes, Jerry, the trailer?s tongue moves, it?s not rusted / frozen in place, so I have good hopes to get the brake line sorted out so that I can launch on the ramp!

Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:46:25 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?

Alex,
I'm not seeing a quick disconnect in the picture.  That looks more like a splice from a hard line to a flexible line.  The disconnect should be two pieces, similar to what it shown here. - rob

https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/700-04-04B.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-PTstaGf6QIVBO21Ch3oTAwiEAQYBCABEgL1vfD_BwE

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of cjlowe at sssnet.com <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?

Alexis,

  The quick disconnect looks like a quick disconnect for a air hose, only
a little bit smaller. Mine is made out of brass. Mine is located on the
aft end of the flexible brake hose. It look like your brake line has a
one foot section spliced in.  Maybe somebody tried to use the extender
and didn't disconnect the line first. Mine has a bracket welded to the
frame to hold the steel end of the line, so you just push the fitting on
the end of the rubber line into it. I would send you a picture, but it
is cold, dark and raining right now. I can send you a pic tomorrow.
Before you head out, you might want to extend the tongue, to make sure
the pins and tube aren't rusted in place.

Have a great adventure,
Jerry Lowe


 Hi there,
>
> I am getting ready to launch my boat and was thinking of using a ramp in
> Yorktown, VA. I have never used the tongue extension on my trailer and was
> wondering about to disconnect the surge brakes. Is what I am showing in
> the attached picture the disconnect?
>
> Thanks,
> Alexis
> [Image.jpeg]
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From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Thu May  7 15:32:10 2020
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2020 15:32:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB4378BA8B70045FB1CC3E4C44A6A40@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <53649.24.140.30.102.1588727320.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
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Message-ID: <CACSd1jKJ3LhjpVxuK=Vhy=md5_rAghMuVr2DvfTGGYCb4VTsPw@mail.gmail.com>

Alexis,
      Hibbard's Iron Works at 514 Aberdeen Rd. Hampton, VA. 23661;  Phone
757-826-5611, is the best trailer repair shop in the area.

Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 6:32 PM Alexis Seigneurin <
alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks all for the suggestions and recommendations!
>
> And yes, Jerry, the trailer?s tongue moves, it?s not rusted / frozen in
> place, so I have good hopes to get the brake line sorted out so that I can
> launch on the ramp!
>
> Alexis
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 6, 2020 8:46:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
>
> Alex,
> I'm not seeing a quick disconnect in the picture.  That looks more like a
> splice from a hard line to a flexible line.  The disconnect should be two
> pieces, similar to what it shown here. - rob
>
>
> https://www.discounthydraulichose.com/700-04-04B.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-PTstaGf6QIVBO21Ch3oTAwiEAQYBCABEgL1vfD_BwE
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> cjlowe at sssnet.com <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 9:08 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
>
> Alexis,
>
>   The quick disconnect looks like a quick disconnect for a air hose, only
> a little bit smaller. Mine is made out of brass. Mine is located on the
> aft end of the flexible brake hose. It look like your brake line has a
> one foot section spliced in.  Maybe somebody tried to use the extender
> and didn't disconnect the line first. Mine has a bracket welded to the
> frame to hold the steel end of the line, so you just push the fitting on
> the end of the rubber line into it. I would send you a picture, but it
> is cold, dark and raining right now. I can send you a pic tomorrow.
> Before you head out, you might want to extend the tongue, to make sure
> the pins and tube aren't rusted in place.
>
> Have a great adventure,
> Jerry Lowe
>
>
>  Hi there,
> >
> > I am getting ready to launch my boat and was thinking of using a ramp in
> > Yorktown, VA. I have never used the tongue extension on my trailer and
> was
> > wondering about to disconnect the surge brakes. Is what I am showing in
> > the attached picture the disconnect?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Alexis
> > [Image.jpeg]
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> > <
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> >
> >
>
>
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri May  8 12:41:48 2020
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 09:41:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swinging at anchor?
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR05MB694144BAE04796B0F4C0710EC1A60@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR05MB6941475246D33962A79EE20DC1D30@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <1588956108754-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Sure.  I'm interested.



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri May  8 12:51:32 2020
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 09:51:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1588956692296-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

When I pulled out the 10' tongue extension there were no holes drilled to
accept the pins.  Luckily I already had a 9/16" drill bit which worked well
in my drill press.  Easy peasey.



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri May  8 12:58:27 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 16:58:27 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <1588956692296-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
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Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB6941AA6EC9DCDE79175B2239C1A20@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Jeff,
Really?  No holes?  What good is a tongue extension with no holes?  Good you were able to remedy. - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 12:51 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?

When I pulled out the 10' tongue extension there were no holes drilled to
accept the pins.  Luckily I already had a 9/16" drill bit which worked well
in my drill press.  Easy peasey.



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri May  8 15:24:13 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2020 19:24:13 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR05MB6941AA6EC9DCDE79175B2239C1A20@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
 <1588956692296-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <MN2PR05MB6941AA6EC9DCDE79175B2239C1A20@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920918A0D77AB406288AB3E80A20@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Jeff,

So, with no quick disconnect on the brake line and no holes for the pin, I?m guessing your tongue extension has never been used?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Lowe, Rob<mailto:rlowe at vt.edu>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 12:58 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?

Jeff,
Really?  No holes?  What good is a tongue extension with no holes?  Good you were able to remedy. - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 8, 2020 12:51 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?

When I pulled out the 10' tongue extension there were no holes drilled to
accept the pins.  Luckily I already had a 9/16" drill bit which worked well
in my drill press.  Easy peasey.



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat May  9 06:57:26 2020
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 03:57:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920918A0D77AB406288AB3E80A20@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <1588956692296-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <MN2PR05MB6941AA6EC9DCDE79175B2239C1A20@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920918A0D77AB406288AB3E80A20@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1589021846789-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi Roger,
The 2 axel trailer did have an hydrolic disconnect, which I used.  I guess
the previous owner never used the tongue extension, since it was unusable! 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From cgeisser12345 at gmail.com  Sat May  9 13:49:41 2020
From: cgeisser12345 at gmail.com (Carl Geisser)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 10:49:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used old style main sail for IMF
In-Reply-To: <1522628741471-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1522628741471-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1589046581377-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I know this has been over a year ago, ( i have been out of the loop for about
4-5 years, building orphanage in Philippines) but is the sail still
available?  Thought it might not hurt to ask.



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From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Sat May  9 15:04:37 2020
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 15:04:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Delivery
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9bUxC4+xMS902BYdoRhMYCwXCYbY6tu-VG8qHUdBZViUw@mail.gmail.com>

Just delivered "Saltine" to Lake Carlyle in Illinois for John Cage the new
owner. I included this pic as for several weeks now, I have been eating
take-outs on my various deliveries and here in Tennessee, Outback is open
and I managed to get a sit-down lunch - social distancing was observed.


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
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From koatimundi100 at gmail.com  Sat May  9 18:52:15 2020
From: koatimundi100 at gmail.com (peter klappert)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 18:52:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oldest Rhodes 22
Message-ID: <CAEZbNGCi9hoOBhF=jt0v0zB2OGyTmXOq_YvT2W7uWKRkn3cLag@mail.gmail.com>

It was the Nina, the Pinta or the Santa Maria, though some people say
William the Conqueror used a Picnic (R22 fore-runner) to invade England.

From rweiss at siu.edu  Sat May  9 18:54:21 2020
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 22:54:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oldest Rhodes 22
In-Reply-To: <CAEZbNGCi9hoOBhF=jt0v0zB2OGyTmXOq_YvT2W7uWKRkn3cLag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEZbNGCi9hoOBhF=jt0v0zB2OGyTmXOq_YvT2W7uWKRkn3cLag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB487317A2E17604F16B60443EC6A30@DM6PR07MB4873.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

And I'm sure Stan was piloting the boat.



Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

It was the Nina, the Pinta or the Santa Maria, though some people say
William the Conqueror used a Picnic (R22 fore-runner) to invade England.

From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Sat May  9 22:34:51 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 02:34:51 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Hi there,

If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.

So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.

We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...

We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.

My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.

Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.

Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.

I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?

In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.

Alexis

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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat May  9 23:01:30 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 22:01:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVW2pm9rsjHhXORFzOcEu2OFqG1wNOPRs=f234sUQnUNg@mail.gmail.com>

  So sorry to hear about your launch. 2k sounds like way too much. Might be
an educational DIY opportunity for you.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 21:35, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the
> brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I
> couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to
> the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it
> fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law
> and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without
> extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake
> line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose
> off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push
> but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At
> that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but
> probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the
> trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the
> boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking
> the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to
> keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I
> realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I
> started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more
> time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came
> immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this
> time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece
> punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right
> decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water
> damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming
> weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around
> $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way.
> Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes
> I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
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From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Sat May  9 23:16:20 2020
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 23:16:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Used old style main sail for IMF
Message-ID: <51043.24.140.30.102.1589080580.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

It got snatched up real quick last year. It wouldn't hurt to put the word
out your looking for one.

Jerry Lowe



 I know this has been over a year ago, ( i have been out of the loop for
> about
> 4-5 years, building orphanage in Philippines) but is the sail still
> available?  Thought it might not hurt to ask.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>



From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun May 10 05:39:55 2020
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 02:39:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVW2pm9rsjHhXORFzOcEu2OFqG1wNOPRs=f234sUQnUNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiVW2pm9rsjHhXORFzOcEu2OFqG1wNOPRs=f234sUQnUNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1589103595143-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the boat.
Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the skills and
patience.  You probably do. 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From robert at pamayared.com  Sun May 10 09:02:20 2020
From: robert at pamayared.com (robert51)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 06:02:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure
In-Reply-To: <CAJM+vrtr1ggjBJgiKtguQ9A-pUjY89WL72jYJnMJTfTfHJ1XpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1579116012732-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAJM+vrtTWuO7Qsf42_MURTRKyEFWTjveQPd_F4udpmhfdgmoDg@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CAJM+vrtr1ggjBJgiKtguQ9A-pUjY89WL72jYJnMJTfTfHJ1XpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1589115740390-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hey Stephen
Hate to be a pain, but whats happening with the pop top enclosure. I'm sure
I can find someone down here to clean it
Robert



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Sun May 10 09:14:22 2020
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:14:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <1589103595143-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiVW2pm9rsjHhXORFzOcEu2OFqG1wNOPRs=f234sUQnUNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1589103595143-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMC8gFvthToZv7=_huLZdE2JoqfO+onkUDR8k=NT2vs1ig@mail.gmail.com>

This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat that
I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.

On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> boat.
> Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the skills
> and
> patience.  You probably do.
>
>
>
> -----
> Jeff Smith
> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Sun May 10 09:59:52 2020
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:59:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMC8gFvthToZv7=_huLZdE2JoqfO+onkUDR8k=NT2vs1ig@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiVW2pm9rsjHhXORFzOcEu2OFqG1wNOPRs=f234sUQnUNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1589103595143-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CADQNfMC8gFvthToZv7=_huLZdE2JoqfO+onkUDR8k=NT2vs1ig@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5ASetjYn=FpygbyAWuKk3kqqOM1PcJx5ovkRqM+B7sonLw@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
<https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp>
.

Mark Whipple



On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat that
> I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
> you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > boat.
> > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the skills
> > and
> > patience.  You probably do.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Jeff Smith
> > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>


-- 
2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
Boston, MA

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun May 10 10:08:24 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 10:08:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ASetjYn=FpygbyAWuKk3kqqOM1PcJx5ovkRqM+B7sonLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiVW2pm9rsjHhXORFzOcEu2OFqG1wNOPRs=f234sUQnUNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1589103595143-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CADQNfMC8gFvthToZv7=_huLZdE2JoqfO+onkUDR8k=NT2vs1ig@mail.gmail.com>
 <CA+WP5ASetjYn=FpygbyAWuKk3kqqOM1PcJx5ovkRqM+B7sonLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6F94433-97FD-4595-A89A-EF023152F8F8@sunnybeeches.com>

The West System (a brand of epoxy resins, hardeners, and associated supplies) website has a wealth of instructional material available at no charge.  This manual might be particularly relevant: https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf <https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf>

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) 

> On May 10, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
> 
> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp>
> .
> 
> Mark Whipple
> 
> 
> 


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Sun May 10 12:29:08 2020
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:29:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ASetjYn=FpygbyAWuKk3kqqOM1PcJx5ovkRqM+B7sonLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiVW2pm9rsjHhXORFzOcEu2OFqG1wNOPRs=f234sUQnUNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1589103595143-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CADQNfMAPZcw7275i557hfYu-xRD6X4Tifd2z9AFAD0-+VpKAJQ@mail.gmail.com>

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available
to show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> > guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> > myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
> > you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > > boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>

From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Sun May 10 12:37:23 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 16:37:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMAPZcw7275i557hfYu-xRD6X4Tifd2z9AFAD0-+VpKAJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiVW2pm9rsjHhXORFzOcEu2OFqG1wNOPRs=f234sUQnUNg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1589103595143-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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 <CA+WP5ASetjYn=FpygbyAWuKk3kqqOM1PcJx5ovkRqM+B7sonLw@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB437806463B4B5C1A1CE5CB3EA6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn?t feeling like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It?s structural and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think about it and we?ll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available
to show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> > guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> > myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
> > you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > > boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun May 10 12:38:34 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (Roger Pihlaja Home)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:38:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920E39C597D90FCD8DA060480A00@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Alexis,

So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.

What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
> 
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
> 
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
> 
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
> 
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
> 
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
> 
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
> 
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
> 
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
> 
> Alexis
> 
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From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Sun May 10 20:31:48 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 00:31:48 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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Roger,

You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!

I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.

Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.

Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.

What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
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From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Sun May 10 20:34:05 2020
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:34:05 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
Message-ID: <49642.24.140.30.102.1589157245.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

One question I have, was the center board cleated in the up position
before launch? Usually, if the boat moves two feet, the boat will float
the rest of the way with just a little push, unless the center board is
not cleated and drops down and contacts the bottom thus stopping all
further travel. What I am saying is, you might have compromised the center
board cap if you didn't have the board cleated in the up position. You
might be able to inspect the cap through the bilge inspection hole.

Jerry Lowe



Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the
> brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I
> couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to
> the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it
> fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law
> and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without
> extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake
> line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose
> off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push
> but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At
> that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer,
> but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the
> trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the
> boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking
> the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going
> to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I
> realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out.
> I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more
> time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out
> came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out,
> this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece
> punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right
> decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water
> damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming
> weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around
> $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way.
> Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes
> I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
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From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Sun May 10 21:38:12 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 01:38:12 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <49642.24.140.30.102.1589157245.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <49642.24.140.30.102.1589157245.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB4378406863C57F292B2A8B14A6A10@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Jerry,

That?s a good point, but the centerboard was cleated in fully up position. The stern of the boat was slightly floating but the bow was stuck. Not sure if, at that point, the metal bracket holding the bunk was exposed and rubbing against the hull.

Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of cjlowe at sssnet.com <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:34:05 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

One question I have, was the center board cleated in the up position
before launch? Usually, if the boat moves two feet, the boat will float
the rest of the way with just a little push, unless the center board is
not cleated and drops down and contacts the bottom thus stopping all
further travel. What I am saying is, you might have compromised the center
board cap if you didn't have the board cleated in the up position. You
might be able to inspect the cap through the bilge inspection hole.

Jerry Lowe



Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the
> brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I
> couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to
> the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it
> fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law
> and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without
> extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake
> line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose
> off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push
> but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At
> that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer,
> but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the
> trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the
> boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking
> the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going
> to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I
> realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out.
> I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more
> time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out
> came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out,
> this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece
> punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right
> decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water
> damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming
> weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around
> $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way.
> Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes
> I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon May 11 09:28:37 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:28:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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Alexis,
I've not needed to do any fiberglass work, but from what I've heard and read, it's something a DIYer can do.  That being said, for peace of mind, I'd likely get a shop to repair mine if in the same circumstances. What you will also have to do is address your trailer.  I'm assuming the boat is still on the trailer?  If you get get the boat off the trailer and onto some stands you can check on the trailer.  Are the bunks still intact or do they need replacing?  How about the metal brackets that hold the bunks and guide bars?  Mine were so rusted I had to have them replaced.  Sounds like  good time to address your brake line issue too.  I'd replace the entire flexible line while you are at it.

All in all you did the right thing in checking for water intrusion and hauling out when you found it.  This story could of had a worse ending.  - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn?t feeling like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It?s structural and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think about it and we?ll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available
to show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> > guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> > myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
> > you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > > boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 11 09:46:00 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:46:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB4378F20A802FAAA0964C5FE8A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
 <CH2PR02MB6920E39C597D90FCD8DA060480A00@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <DM6PR07MB4378F20A802FAAA0964C5FE8A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Alexis,

What part of your bunks/support structure failed?  Did the metal bunk support poke right thru a rotten wooden bunk?  Or, did the metal bunk support structure fail somehow and leave a jagged shard to poke a hole thru your hull?  Anyway, your bunks and supports are all the same age.  So, it?s probably cheap insurance to go thru the whole system.

On a related note, are your bunks properly adjusted to uniformly cradle your hull?  If the bunks were configured to place too much weight on one bunk support; then, the failure mechanism would change from old age/wood rot/metal fatigue/rust to an overload scenario.  On my Lil Dude boat trailer, most of the weight of the boat sits on a couple of HD rollers that support the keel.  These keel rollers are bolted directly to the trailer.  The bunks on my trailer function more like ?outriggers? to keep the boat from tipping over in a heavy crosswind or on a curve in the road.  They are not heavily loaded.  Does your trailer have keel rollers?  Are the keel rollers properly adjusted to take most of the boat?s weight?   If not, then the bunks are being overloaded and this might have something to do with the failure.  If your trailer does not have keel rollers; then, you might consider implementing them.  Properly adjusted keel rollers will dramatically reduce the load on your bunks, load the boat from the keel vs. the hull when it?s on the trailer, and should make launch/retrieval much easier.  The attached photo shows the bunks & keel rollers on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s trailer.  The photo also shows what properly adjusted bunks look like.  For retrieval, I usually submerge the trailer until only ~6-12? of the front of the bunks are exposed above the water.  For launching, I try to back the trailer in about the same amount.  But, if I can get the bunks submerged to about the 2nd bunk support from the stern, I can usually push the boat off the trailer because most of the weight is on the keel rollers, not the bunks.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Alexis Seigneurin<mailto:alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Roger,

You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!

I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.

Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.

Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.

What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon May 11 10:01:40 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:01:40 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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Roger,
Do you have the Triad trailer?  It doesn't appear so.  I'm not sure my current Triad trailer has any rollers. How about other Triad owners? - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:46 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

What part of your bunks/support structure failed?  Did the metal bunk support poke right thru a rotten wooden bunk?  Or, did the metal bunk support structure fail somehow and leave a jagged shard to poke a hole thru your hull?  Anyway, your bunks and supports are all the same age.  So, it?s probably cheap insurance to go thru the whole system.

On a related note, are your bunks properly adjusted to uniformly cradle your hull?  If the bunks were configured to place too much weight on one bunk support; then, the failure mechanism would change from old age/wood rot/metal fatigue/rust to an overload scenario.  On my Lil Dude boat trailer, most of the weight of the boat sits on a couple of HD rollers that support the keel.  These keel rollers are bolted directly to the trailer.  The bunks on my trailer function more like ?outriggers? to keep the boat from tipping over in a heavy crosswind or on a curve in the road.  They are not heavily loaded.  Does your trailer have keel rollers?  Are the keel rollers properly adjusted to take most of the boat?s weight?   If not, then the bunks are being overloaded and this might have something to do with the failure.  If your trailer does not have keel rollers; then, you might consider implementing them.  Properly adjusted keel rollers will dramatically reduce the load on your bunks, load the boat from the keel vs. the hull when it?s on the trailer, and should make launch/retrieval much easier.  The attached photo shows the bunks & keel rollers on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s trailer.  The photo also shows what properly adjusted bunks look like.  For retrieval, I usually submerge the trailer until only ~6-12? of the front of the bunks are exposed above the water.  For launching, I try to back the trailer in about the same amount.  But, if I can get the bunks submerged to about the 2nd bunk support from the stern, I can usually push the boat off the trailer because most of the weight is on the keel rollers, not the bunks.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

[cid:image003.jpg at 01D62778.F9E74390]

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Alexis Seigneurin<mailto:alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Roger,

You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!

I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.

Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.

Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.

What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 11 10:06:13 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:06:13 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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No, as I stated earlier, I have a Lil Dude tandem axle boat trailer.  But, the physics of supporting, launching, and retrieving the boat don?t change with the trailer manufacturer.  The keel is much better to support most of the weight of the boat vs. the bunks.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Lowe, Rob<mailto:rlowe at vt.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:01 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Roger,
Do you have the Triad trailer?  It doesn't appear so.  I'm not sure my current Triad trailer has any rollers. How about other Triad owners? - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:46 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

What part of your bunks/support structure failed?  Did the metal bunk support poke right thru a rotten wooden bunk?  Or, did the metal bunk support structure fail somehow and leave a jagged shard to poke a hole thru your hull?  Anyway, your bunks and supports are all the same age.  So, it?s probably cheap insurance to go thru the whole system.

On a related note, are your bunks properly adjusted to uniformly cradle your hull?  If the bunks were configured to place too much weight on one bunk support; then, the failure mechanism would change from old age/wood rot/metal fatigue/rust to an overload scenario.  On my Lil Dude boat trailer, most of the weight of the boat sits on a couple of HD rollers that support the keel.  These keel rollers are bolted directly to the trailer.  The bunks on my trailer function more like ?outriggers? to keep the boat from tipping over in a heavy crosswind or on a curve in the road.  They are not heavily loaded.  Does your trailer have keel rollers?  Are the keel rollers properly adjusted to take most of the boat?s weight?   If not, then the bunks are being overloaded and this might have something to do with the failure.  If your trailer does not have keel rollers; then, you might consider implementing them.  Properly adjusted keel rollers will dramatically reduce the load on your bunks, load the boat from the keel vs. the hull when it?s on the trailer, and should make launch/retrieval much easier.  The attached photo shows the bunks & keel rollers on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s trailer.  The photo also shows what properly adjusted bunks look like.  For retrieval, I usually submerge the trailer until only ~6-12? of the front of the bunks are exposed above the water.  For launching, I try to back the trailer in about the same amount.  But, if I can get the bunks submerged to about the 2nd bunk support from the stern, I can usually push the boat off the trailer because most of the weight is on the keel rollers, not the bunks.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

[cid:image003.jpg at 01D62778.F9E74390]

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Alexis Seigneurin<mailto:alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Roger,

You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!

I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.

Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.

Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.

What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
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From hnw555 at gmail.com  Mon May 11 10:14:37 2020
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 10:14:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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I thought Stan has always said that the Rhodes 22 is not designed to rest
on the keel.  That's what I remember him telling me, at least.


On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:06 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> No, as I stated earlier, I have a Lil Dude tandem axle boat trailer.  But,
> the physics of supporting, launching, and retrieving the boat don?t change
> with the trailer manufacturer.  The keel is much better to support most of
> the weight of the boat vs. the bunks.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: Lowe, Rob<mailto:rlowe at vt.edu>
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:01 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
>
> Roger,
> Do you have the Triad trailer?  It doesn't appear so.  I'm not sure my
> current Triad trailer has any rollers. How about other Triad owners? - rob
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:46 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
>
> Alexis,
>
> What part of your bunks/support structure failed?  Did the metal bunk
> support poke right thru a rotten wooden bunk?  Or, did the metal bunk
> support structure fail somehow and leave a jagged shard to poke a hole thru
> your hull?  Anyway, your bunks and supports are all the same age.  So, it?s
> probably cheap insurance to go thru the whole system.
>
> On a related note, are your bunks properly adjusted to uniformly cradle
> your hull?  If the bunks were configured to place too much weight on one
> bunk support; then, the failure mechanism would change from old age/wood
> rot/metal fatigue/rust to an overload scenario.  On my Lil Dude boat
> trailer, most of the weight of the boat sits on a couple of HD rollers that
> support the keel.  These keel rollers are bolted directly to the trailer.
> The bunks on my trailer function more like ?outriggers? to keep the boat
> from tipping over in a heavy crosswind or on a curve in the road.  They are
> not heavily loaded.  Does your trailer have keel rollers?  Are the keel
> rollers properly adjusted to take most of the boat?s weight?   If not, then
> the bunks are being overloaded and this might have something to do with the
> failure.  If your trailer does not have keel rollers; then, you might
> consider implementing them.  Properly adjusted keel rollers will
> dramatically reduce the load on your bunks, load the boat from the keel vs.
> the hull when it?s on the trailer, and should make launch/retrieval much
> easier.  The attached photo shows the bunks & keel rollers on S/V Dynamic
> Equilibrium?s trailer.  The photo also shows what properly adjusted bunks
> look like.  For retrieval, I usually submerge the trailer until only ~6-12?
> of the front of the bunks are exposed above the water.  For launching, I
> try to back the trailer in about the same amount.  But, if I can get the
> bunks submerged to about the 2nd bunk support from the stern, I can usually
> push the boat off the trailer because most of the weight is on the keel
> rollers, not the bunks.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D62778.F9E74390]
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: Alexis Seigneurin<mailto:alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:31 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
>
> Roger,
>
> You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!
>
> I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first
> launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was
> stuck at that time, for sure.
>
> Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I
> would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but
> nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update
> the brake line as well as the electrical wires.
>
> Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!
>
> Alexis
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
>
> Alexis,
>
> So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try
> was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was
> preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also
> probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer
> when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue
> extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch
> ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that
> implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with
> just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple
> lessons were learned that day.
>
> What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <
> alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to
> the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I
> couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to
> the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it
> fixed up after the launch.
> >
> > So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in
> law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without
> extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake
> line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose
> off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push
> but with no success.
> >
> > We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At
> that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but
> probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the
> trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
> >
> > We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the
> boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking
> the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to
> keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
> >
> > My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and
> I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out.
> I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
> >
> > Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more
> time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came
> immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this
> time pretty smoothly.
> >
> > Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal
> piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right
> decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water
> damage.
> >
> > I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming
> weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around
> $2000. What are you thoughts?
> >
> > In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard
> way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same
> mistakes I made.
> >
> > Alexis
> >
> > [Image.jpeg]
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From bferguson at jcu.edu  Mon May 11 10:29:56 2020
From: bferguson at jcu.edu (NewIn76)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 07:29:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1589207396593-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Ahh, the topic grows.  In a recent photo of a Triad trailer, I only see one
keel roller and it's not there for the keel to sit on.  Triad's gallery for
the R22 doesn't show traditional keel support.  I've also heard that the age
of the boat matters.  I'd really like to see where this discussion goes.  

https://www.triadtrailers.com/triad-trailer-gallery/sailboat-trailers/triad-trailers-under-24-feet/triad-trailersrhodes-22/




-----
Brian
1976 Rhodes 22
Cleveland
--
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From bferguson at jcu.edu  Mon May 11 10:33:45 2020
From: bferguson at jcu.edu (NewIn76)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 07:33:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Delivery
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9bUxC4+xMS902BYdoRhMYCwXCYbY6tu-VG8qHUdBZViUw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALbDJ9bUxC4+xMS902BYdoRhMYCwXCYbY6tu-VG8qHUdBZViUw@mail.gmail.com>
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Richard,
I wasn't sure if it was my computer or the photo, but what color is that
boat?  I can't tell if its white or the parking lot is reflecting in the
paint.  There's a subtle grey look to it.  



-----
Brian
1976 Rhodes 22
Cleveland
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Mon May 11 10:43:26 2020
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 10:43:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Delivery
In-Reply-To: <1589207625078-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CALbDJ9bUxC4+xMS902BYdoRhMYCwXCYbY6tu-VG8qHUdBZViUw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALbDJ9ZsX-zPq_6NDwmVWcfOtbFABHaFF-Opw4-esJLSCtFsHw@mail.gmail.com>

No, it's white. Its just in the shade. It has just come from being recycled
at the factory and is looking good.


~~~ _/) ~~~

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On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:33 AM NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Richard,
> I wasn't sure if it was my computer or the photo, but what color is that
> boat?  I can't tell if its white or the parking lot is reflecting in the
> paint.  There's a subtle grey look to it.
>
>
>
> -----
> Brian
> 1976 Rhodes 22
> Cleveland
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From richard at macarthurlawfirm.com  Mon May 11 10:56:31 2020
From: richard at macarthurlawfirm.com (Richard MacArthur)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:56:31 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4188, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.936.1589205995.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.936.1589205995.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <BN8PR06MB5587C5C68437A2DC07546812DFA10@BN8PR06MB5587.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

You can fix that yourself by filling the hole with micro balloons and epoxy and sanding smooth. Then lay a couple of layers of fine web fiberglass over it, make sure the glass is fully saturated, let it   harden then sand to a fine finish. Then just apply bottom paint

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Today's Topics:

   1. Oldest Rhodes 22 (peter klappert)
   2. Re: Oldest Rhodes 22 (Weiss, Robert L)
   3. Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Alexis Seigneurin)
   4. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Chris Geankoplis)
   5. Re: Used old style main sail for IMF (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
   6. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (JeffSmith)
   7. Re: Pop top enclosure (robert51)
   8. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Hank)
   9. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Mark Whipple)
  10. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Peter Nyberg)
  11. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Hank)
  12. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Alexis Seigneurin)
  13. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure
      (Roger Pihlaja Home)
  14. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Alexis Seigneurin)
  15. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
  16. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Alexis Seigneurin)
  17. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Lowe, Rob)
  18. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  19. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (Lowe, Rob)
  20. Re: Launch... and the story of an epic failure (ROGER PIHLAJA)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 18:52:15 -0400
From: peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oldest Rhodes 22
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It was the Nina, the Pinta or the Santa Maria, though some people say
William the Conqueror used a Picnic (R22 fore-runner) to invade England.


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 22:54:21 +0000
From: "Weiss, Robert L" <rweiss at siu.edu>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Oldest Rhodes 22
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And I'm sure Stan was piloting the boat.



Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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It was the Nina, the Pinta or the Santa Maria, though some people say
William the Conqueror used a Picnic (R22 fore-runner) to invade England.


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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 02:34:51 +0000
From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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Hi there,

If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.

So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.

We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...

We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.

My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.

Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.

Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.

I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?

In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.

Alexis

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 22:01:30 -0500
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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  So sorry to hear about your launch. 2k sounds like way too much. Might be
an educational DIY opportunity for you.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 21:35, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the
> brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I
> couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to
> the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it
> fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law
> and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without
> extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake
> line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose
> off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push
> but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At
> that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but
> probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the
> trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the
> boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking
> the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to
> keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I
> realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I
> started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more
> time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came
> immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this
> time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece
> punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right
> decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water
> damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming
> weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around
> $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way.
> Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes
> I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 9 May 2020 23:16:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Used old style main sail for IMF
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1

It got snatched up real quick last year. It wouldn't hurt to put the word
out your looking for one.

Jerry Lowe



 I know this has been over a year ago, ( i have been out of the loop for
> about
> 4-5 years, building orphanage in Philippines) but is the sail still
> available?  Thought it might not hurt to ask.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>




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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 02:39:55 -0700 (MST)
From: JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
Message-ID: <1589103595143-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the boat.
Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the skills and
patience.  You probably do.



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 06:02:20 -0700 (MST)
From: robert51 <robert at pamayared.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top enclosure
Message-ID: <1589115740390-0.post at n5.nabble.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

Hey Stephen
Hate to be a pain, but whats happening with the pop top enclosure. I'm sure
I can find someone down here to clean it
Robert



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:14:22 -0400
From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat that
I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.

On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> boat.
> Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the skills
> and
> patience.  You probably do.
>
>
>
> -----
> Jeff Smith
> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>


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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 09:59:52 -0400
From: Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
<https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp>
.

Mark Whipple



On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat that
> I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
> you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > boat.
> > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the skills
> > and
> > patience.  You probably do.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Jeff Smith
> > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>


--
2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
Boston, MA


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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 10:08:24 -0400
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
Message-ID: <C6F94433-97FD-4595-A89A-EF023152F8F8 at sunnybeeches.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=us-ascii

The West System (a brand of epoxy resins, hardeners, and associated supplies) website has a wealth of instructional material available at no charge.  This manual might be particularly relevant: https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf <https://www.westsystem.com/wp-content/uploads/Fiberglass-Manual-2015.pdf>

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 10, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
>
> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp>
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>



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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:29:08 -0400
From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available
to show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> > guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> > myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
> > you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > > boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>


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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 16:37:23 +0000
From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn?t feeling like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It?s structural and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think about it and we?ll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available
to show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> > guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> > myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
> > you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > > boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>


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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 12:38:34 -0400
From: Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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Alexis,

So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.

What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 00:31:48 +0000
From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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Roger,

You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!

I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.

Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.

Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.

What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 10 May 2020 20:34:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com
To: "The Rhodes 22 Email List" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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One question I have, was the center board cleated in the up position
before launch? Usually, if the boat moves two feet, the boat will float
the rest of the way with just a little push, unless the center board is
not cleated and drops down and contacts the bottom thus stopping all
further travel. What I am saying is, you might have compromised the center
board cap if you didn't have the board cleated in the up position. You
might be able to inspect the cap through the bilge inspection hole.

Jerry Lowe



Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the
> brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I
> couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to
> the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it
> fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law
> and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without
> extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake
> line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose
> off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push
> but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At
> that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer,
> but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the
> trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the
> boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking
> the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going
> to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I
> realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out.
> I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more
> time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out
> came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out,
> this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece
> punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right
> decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water
> damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming
> weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around
> $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way.
> Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes
> I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
>
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 01:38:12 +0000
From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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Jerry,

That?s a good point, but the centerboard was cleated in fully up position. The stern of the boat was slightly floating but the bow was stuck. Not sure if, at that point, the metal bracket holding the bunk was exposed and rubbing against the hull.

Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of cjlowe at sssnet.com <cjlowe at sssnet.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:34:05 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

One question I have, was the center board cleated in the up position
before launch? Usually, if the boat moves two feet, the boat will float
the rest of the way with just a little push, unless the center board is
not cleated and drops down and contacts the bottom thus stopping all
further travel. What I am saying is, you might have compromised the center
board cap if you didn't have the board cleated in the up position. You
might be able to inspect the cap through the bilge inspection hole.

Jerry Lowe



Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the
> brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I
> couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to
> the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it
> fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law
> and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without
> extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake
> line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose
> off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push
> but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At
> that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer,
> but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the
> trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the
> boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking
> the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going
> to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I
> realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out.
> I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more
> time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out
> came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out,
> this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece
> punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right
> decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water
> damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming
> weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around
> $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way.
> Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes
> I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
>
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:28:37 +0000
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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Alexis,
I've not needed to do any fiberglass work, but from what I've heard and read, it's something a DIYer can do.  That being said, for peace of mind, I'd likely get a shop to repair mine if in the same circumstances. What you will also have to do is address your trailer.  I'm assuming the boat is still on the trailer?  If you get get the boat off the trailer and onto some stands you can check on the trailer.  Are the bunks still intact or do they need replacing?  How about the metal brackets that hold the bunks and guide bars?  Mine were so rusted I had to have them replaced.  Sounds like  good time to address your brake line issue too.  I'd replace the entire flexible line while you are at it.

All in all you did the right thing in checking for water intrusion and hauling out when you found it.  This story could of had a worse ending.  - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn?t feeling like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It?s structural and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think about it and we?ll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available
to show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> > guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> > myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
> > you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > > boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
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> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
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> > >
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Message: 18
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:46:00 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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Alexis,

What part of your bunks/support structure failed?  Did the metal bunk support poke right thru a rotten wooden bunk?  Or, did the metal bunk support structure fail somehow and leave a jagged shard to poke a hole thru your hull?  Anyway, your bunks and supports are all the same age.  So, it?s probably cheap insurance to go thru the whole system.

On a related note, are your bunks properly adjusted to uniformly cradle your hull?  If the bunks were configured to place too much weight on one bunk support; then, the failure mechanism would change from old age/wood rot/metal fatigue/rust to an overload scenario.  On my Lil Dude boat trailer, most of the weight of the boat sits on a couple of HD rollers that support the keel.  These keel rollers are bolted directly to the trailer.  The bunks on my trailer function more like ?outriggers? to keep the boat from tipping over in a heavy crosswind or on a curve in the road.  They are not heavily loaded.  Does your trailer have keel rollers?  Are the keel rollers properly adjusted to take most of the boat?s weight?   If not, then the bunks are being overloaded and this might have something to do with the failure.  If your trailer does not have keel rollers; then, you might consider implementing them.  Properly adjusted keel rollers will dramatically reduce the load on your bunks,
 load the boat from the keel vs. the hull when it?s on the trailer, and should make launch/retrieval much easier.  The attached photo shows the bunks & keel rollers on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s trailer.  The photo also shows what properly adjusted bunks look like.  For retrieval, I usually submerge the trailer until only ~6-12? of the front of the bunks are exposed above the water.  For launching, I try to back the trailer in about the same amount.  But, if I can get the bunks submerged to about the 2nd bunk support from the stern, I can usually push the boat off the trailer because most of the weight is on the keel rollers, not the bunks.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Alexis Seigneurin<mailto:alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Roger,

You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!

I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.

Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.

Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.

What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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Message: 19
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:01:40 +0000
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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Roger,
Do you have the Triad trailer?  It doesn't appear so.  I'm not sure my current Triad trailer has any rollers. How about other Triad owners? - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:46 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

What part of your bunks/support structure failed?  Did the metal bunk support poke right thru a rotten wooden bunk?  Or, did the metal bunk support structure fail somehow and leave a jagged shard to poke a hole thru your hull?  Anyway, your bunks and supports are all the same age.  So, it?s probably cheap insurance to go thru the whole system.

On a related note, are your bunks properly adjusted to uniformly cradle your hull?  If the bunks were configured to place too much weight on one bunk support; then, the failure mechanism would change from old age/wood rot/metal fatigue/rust to an overload scenario.  On my Lil Dude boat trailer, most of the weight of the boat sits on a couple of HD rollers that support the keel.  These keel rollers are bolted directly to the trailer.  The bunks on my trailer function more like ?outriggers? to keep the boat from tipping over in a heavy crosswind or on a curve in the road.  They are not heavily loaded.  Does your trailer have keel rollers?  Are the keel rollers properly adjusted to take most of the boat?s weight?   If not, then the bunks are being overloaded and this might have something to do with the failure.  If your trailer does not have keel rollers; then, you might consider implementing them.  Properly adjusted keel rollers will dramatically reduce the load on your bunks,
 load the boat from the keel vs. the hull when it?s on the trailer, and should make launch/retrieval much easier.  The attached photo shows the bunks & keel rollers on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s trailer.  The photo also shows what properly adjusted bunks look like.  For retrieval, I usually submerge the trailer until only ~6-12? of the front of the bunks are exposed above the water.  For launching, I try to back the trailer in about the same amount.  But, if I can get the bunks submerged to about the 2nd bunk support from the stern, I can usually push the boat off the trailer because most of the weight is on the keel rollers, not the bunks.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Alexis Seigneurin<mailto:alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Roger,

You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!

I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.

Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.

Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.

What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
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Message: 20
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 14:06:13 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic
        failure
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No, as I stated earlier, I have a Lil Dude tandem axle boat trailer.  But, the physics of supporting, launching, and retrieving the boat don?t change with the trailer manufacturer.  The keel is much better to support most of the weight of the boat vs. the bunks.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Lowe, Rob<mailto:rlowe at vt.edu>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 10:01 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Roger,
Do you have the Triad trailer?  It doesn't appear so.  I'm not sure my current Triad trailer has any rollers. How about other Triad owners? - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 9:46 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

What part of your bunks/support structure failed?  Did the metal bunk support poke right thru a rotten wooden bunk?  Or, did the metal bunk support structure fail somehow and leave a jagged shard to poke a hole thru your hull?  Anyway, your bunks and supports are all the same age.  So, it?s probably cheap insurance to go thru the whole system.

On a related note, are your bunks properly adjusted to uniformly cradle your hull?  If the bunks were configured to place too much weight on one bunk support; then, the failure mechanism would change from old age/wood rot/metal fatigue/rust to an overload scenario.  On my Lil Dude boat trailer, most of the weight of the boat sits on a couple of HD rollers that support the keel.  These keel rollers are bolted directly to the trailer.  The bunks on my trailer function more like ?outriggers? to keep the boat from tipping over in a heavy crosswind or on a curve in the road.  They are not heavily loaded.  Does your trailer have keel rollers?  Are the keel rollers properly adjusted to take most of the boat?s weight?   If not, then the bunks are being overloaded and this might have something to do with the failure.  If your trailer does not have keel rollers; then, you might consider implementing them.  Properly adjusted keel rollers will dramatically reduce the load on your bunks,
 load the boat from the keel vs. the hull when it?s on the trailer, and should make launch/retrieval much easier.  The attached photo shows the bunks & keel rollers on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s trailer.  The photo also shows what properly adjusted bunks look like.  For retrieval, I usually submerge the trailer until only ~6-12? of the front of the bunks are exposed above the water.  For launching, I try to back the trailer in about the same amount.  But, if I can get the bunks submerged to about the 2nd bunk support from the stern, I can usually push the boat off the trailer because most of the weight is on the keel rollers, not the bunks.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Alexis Seigneurin<mailto:alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 8:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Roger,

You?re right, I am very lucky the transom didn?t hit the ground!

I cannot tell for sure that the hull had been punctured during the first launch, but that is a possibility. That would explain why the boat was stuck at that time, for sure.

Regarding your question about the condition of the rest of the bunks, I would say the wood was looking like it would soon need to be replaced, but nothing alarming. I am going to replace all the bunks now, and also update the brake line as well as the electrical wires.

Yes, quite a few lessons learned, and quite a lot of work ahead of me!

Alexis


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:38:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,

So, your hypothesis re the reason the boat was ?stuck? on the first try was the trailer bunk support had already punctured the hull and was preventing it from sliding on the bunks?  If so; then, this is also probably what prevented the boat from sliding off the back of the trailer when the trailer squatted down when you first tried to deploy the tongue extension.  If this had happened, the transom would have smacked the launch ramp hard with all the rudder, outboard, motor mount, and hull damage that implies!  Thank your lucky stars.  It sounds like you got away cheap with just a small puncture thru the hull.  Oh well, it sounds like multiple lessons were learned that day.

What?s the condition of the rest of your trailer?s bunk supports?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 9, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> If you remember my previous email, I was looking at doing something to the brake line of my trailer so as to be able to extend the tongue. Since I couldn?t find a trailer shop that wasn?t backed up, I decided to head to the boat ramp - in Yorktown, VA - open the brake line, cap it, and get it fixed up after the launch.
>
> So today, I went to the ramp. This is very nice ramp, and my father in law and I thought that, maybe, we could manage to launch the boat without extending the trailer?s tongue, and also without breaking open the brake line. We gave it a try: the boat was almost afloat but would not come lose off the trailer. Stuck on the bunks. I tried to give the boat a good push but with no success.
>
> We decided to pull the boat back on the ground and extend the tongue. At that point, the boat was not resting completely forward on the trailer, but probably 2 feet back from the front. When we released the hitch, the trailer swung back, resting on the trailer?s rear end. Ouch...
>
> We extended the tongue, hooked it back up to the car, and launched the boat. My stress level was high, but the bilge was dry, so I was thinking the boat had not any damage... I motored to the marina where I was going to keep the boat, and I tied the boat to the dock.
>
> My father in law drove my car (and now empty trailer) to the marina, and I realized one of the bunks was broken. The metal support was sticking out. I started thinking the hull might be scratched, but not really more.
>
> Before leaving the boat at its new slip, I checked the bilge one more time, only to find it full of water. No good. The decision to haul out came immediately. I motored back to the ramp and we pulled the boat out, this time pretty smoothly.
>
> Well, I now have a hole in the hull. And not a pretty one. The metal piece punctured the hull (attaching a pic), so hauling out was the right decision, or the boat would probably have sunk or suffered from bad water damage.
>
> I left the boatyard, and I am hoping they can do a repair in the coming weeks. I?m a bit scared of the cost. I am anticipating something around $2000. What are you thoughts?
>
> In any case, this is totally my fault, and I learned things the hard way. Hopefully this story will help other people avoid making the same mistakes I made.
>
> Alexis
>
> [Image.jpeg]
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon May 11 11:31:20 2020
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 08:31:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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My 2009 Triad has keel rollers. The bunks are in good shape. The carpeting is
beginning to fray. I just replaced the winch strap and converted lighting to
LEDs last summer.



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s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:07:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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Not that I'm planning on holing my boat, but I wonder if any boaters carry tape that could be applied to a hole like this underwater? - rob

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Intertape-Polymer-Group-3-in-x-5-yds-VersaTape-Underwater-Tape-99688/206300616


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn?t feeling like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It?s structural and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think about it and we?ll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available
to show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also suggest
> that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best first-time
> project. It would be great, though, if you could find someone to give you a
> hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. FWIW I would recommend Allan
> H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual
> <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag=1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&ref=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the other
> > guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do and I did it
> > myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn these skills.  If
> > you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to the
> > > boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon May 11 12:26:47 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:26:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR05MB6941B0B2C6F905E82E5DF361C1A10@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <000001d627b0$f86da170$e948e450$@ebsmed.com>

I actually carry a roll of Flex Tape (as seen on TV holding a boat together)
purchased from Home Depot:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/FLEX-SEAL-FAMILY-OF-PRODUCTS-Flex-Tape-Black-4-i
n-x-5-ft-Strong-Rubberized-Waterproof-Tape-TFSBLKR0405/302634866

The commercial also shows the tape's waterproof property by patching a hole
in an aquarium FROM THE INSIDE, not really useful for a hole in a boat, I
would think.

I found an investigative report that seems to validate the commercial claim
at:
https://www.insideedition.com/investigative/25621-are-the-commercials-hyped-
up-investigation-tests-whether-flex-tape-can-hold-a-boat-together

Hopefully, I will never need to use it.  According to my "friend", Mr.
Murphy, in the unlikely event that I will need the tape, the adhesive will
probably be dried out!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe,
Rob
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Not that I'm planning on holing my boat, but I wonder if any boaters carry
tape that could be applied to a hole like this underwater? - rob

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Intertape-Polymer-Group-3-in-x-5-yds-VersaTape-U
nderwater-Tape-99688/206300616


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis
Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair
myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life
videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn't feeling
like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It's structural
and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think
about it and we'll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank
<hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available to
show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also 
> suggest that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best 
> first-time project. It would be great, though, if you could find 
> someone to give you a hand like Hank was able to that would be idea. 
> FWIW I would recommend Allan H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual < 
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag
> =1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&re
> f=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another 
> > boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the 
> > other guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do 
> > and I did it myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn 
> > these skills.  If you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself
as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to 
> > > the boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>


From retro53 at msn.com  Mon May 11 15:05:56 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (Retro53)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:05:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
Message-ID: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi All,
I've had a Rhodes 22 for three years now, and since General Boats went out
of business right around the same time, I've found it difficult to get
accurate info about the boat despite trolling through search engine results
many times. So, I was quite happy to come across what appears to be an
active Rhodes 22 forum! My boat is named Deci-Belle and is a 1980 model. 
John
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20190422_130431.jpg> 





--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From bferguson at jcu.edu  Mon May 11 15:14:12 2020
From: bferguson at jcu.edu (NewIn76)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 12:14:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1589224452323-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

General Boats isn't out of business.  They cashed my check for the COOP about
nine months ago.  Welcome to the list.  Where in Pennsylvania are you
sailing?  



-----
Brian
1976 Rhodes 22
Cleveland
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From ews1esq at yahoo.com  Mon May 11 15:15:52 2020
From: ews1esq at yahoo.com (Eric Smith)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:15:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <5D0A9324-45C4-4114-A2C7-BD4DE5B1728A@yahoo.com>

General Boats went out of business?  Somebody better tell Stan Spitzer. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 11, 2020, at 3:06 PM, Retro53 <retro53 at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,
> I've had a Rhodes 22 for three years now, and since General Boats went out
> of business right around the same time, I've found it difficult to get
> accurate info about the boat despite trolling through search engine results
> many times. So, I was quite happy to come across what appears to be an
> active Rhodes 22 forum! My boat is named Deci-Belle and is a 1980 model. 
> John
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20190422_130431.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon May 11 15:16:27 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:16:27 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB69412DD867D23FF3A839E8FAC1A10@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

John,
Glad you found us as well.  Before you experience the wrath of Stan, let us assume you, GB is still in business.  We're a pretty active group.  Welcome to 'da list' - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Retro53
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 3:06 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!

Hi All,
I've had a Rhodes 22 for three years now, and since General Boats went out of business right around the same time, I've found it difficult to get accurate info about the boat despite trolling through search engine results many times. So, I was quite happy to come across what appears to be an active Rhodes 22 forum! My boat is named Deci-Belle and is a 1980 model. 
John
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20190422_130431.jpg> 





--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Mon May 11 15:18:06 2020
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:18:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <730796811.739409.1589224686673@mail.yahoo.com>

Welcome Aboard? ,Stan is still building boats??


-----Original Message-----
From: Retro53 <retro53 at msn.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Mon, May 11, 2020 3:05 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!

Hi All,
I've had a Rhodes 22 for three years now, and since General Boats went out
of business right around the same time, I've found it difficult to get
accurate info about the boat despite trolling through search engine results
many times. So, I was quite happy to come across what appears to be an
active Rhodes 22 forum! My boat is named Deci-Belle and is a 1980 model. 
John
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20190422_130431.jpg> 





--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From 4cgabriel at gmail.com  Mon May 11 15:28:40 2020
From: 4cgabriel at gmail.com (C Gabriel)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:28:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB is alive and well
Message-ID: <CAEwOW6TsrYPCtY8Hj3-sDwZLdKf+_D1YaRm7w8ZxLRJNmRQ+-w@mail.gmail.com>

GB is without any doubt in business,  repairing and shipping R22's and
their new and old parts all over the world.

Stan's a bit hard of hearing these days and doesn't use the phone like he
used to but will answer emails (often in the order in which they are
received).

Cecilia

SV Fairlady '92/96

From retro53 at msn.com  Mon May 11 16:20:32 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:20:32 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <1589224452323-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <1589224452323-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB577483496F58AE98ECC6C6C1BDA10@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks, Brian,

Well, they must be hiding because I can't seem to find them - ha ha.

I keep the boat at Neshaminy State Marina on the Delaware River

John

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 3:14 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!

General Boats isn't out of business.  They cashed my check for the COOP about
nine months ago.  Welcome to the list.  Where in Pennsylvania are you
sailing?



-----
Brian
1976 Rhodes 22
Cleveland
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Mon May 11 16:20:41 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:20:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <000001d627b0$f86da170$e948e450$@ebsmed.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB437842E8437297750CC15499A6A10@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

My trailer is a single-axle Triad trailer. All the galvanized steel is in good shape. It?s just the wood that was probably too old, and the screws came off.

I am attaching a picture of the bracket that ended up sticking out. It?s the little one, on the inside bunk, not the outside one.

And yes, you can see I had a flat tire. I am not being very lucky this year... I did replace both tires as they were from 2007, which - I also learned the hard way - is past age.

Regarding the rollers, I think my trailer only has one at the aft end. I think it supports the centerboard but nothing else.

Alexis

[Image.jpeg]

[Image.jpeg]

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:26:47 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I actually carry a roll of Flex Tape (as seen on TV holding a boat together)
purchased from Home Depot:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/FLEX-SEAL-FAMILY-OF-PRODUCTS-Flex-Tape-Black-4-i
n-x-5-ft-Strong-Rubberized-Waterproof-Tape-TFSBLKR0405/302634866

The commercial also shows the tape's waterproof property by patching a hole
in an aquarium FROM THE INSIDE, not really useful for a hole in a boat, I
would think.

I found an investigative report that seems to validate the commercial claim
at:
https://www.insideedition.com/investigative/25621-are-the-commercials-hyped-
up-investigation-tests-whether-flex-tape-can-hold-a-boat-together

Hopefully, I will never need to use it.  According to my "friend", Mr.
Murphy, in the unlikely event that I will need the tape, the adhesive will
probably be dried out!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe,
Rob
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Not that I'm planning on holing my boat, but I wonder if any boaters carry
tape that could be applied to a hole like this underwater? - rob

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Intertape-Polymer-Group-3-in-x-5-yds-VersaTape-U
nderwater-Tape-99688/206300616


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis
Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair
myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life
videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn't feeling
like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It's structural
and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think
about it and we'll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank
<hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available to
show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also
> suggest that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best
> first-time project. It would be great, though, if you could find
> someone to give you a hand like Hank was able to that would be idea.
> FWIW I would recommend Allan H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag
> =1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&re
> f=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another
> > boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the
> > other guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do
> > and I did it myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn
> > these skills.  If you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself
as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to
> > > the boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>

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From retro53 at msn.com  Mon May 11 16:21:05 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:21:05 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <1589224452323-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <1589224452323-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB5774BDA710FD44ECFF6C595DBDA10@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

BTW, what is a COOP?

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 3:14 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!

General Boats isn't out of business.  They cashed my check for the COOP about
nine months ago.  Welcome to the list.  Where in Pennsylvania are you
sailing?



-----
Brian
1976 Rhodes 22
Cleveland
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From retro53 at msn.com  Mon May 11 16:25:59 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (Retro53)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:25:59 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB is alive and well
In-Reply-To: <CAEwOW6TsrYPCtY8Hj3-sDwZLdKf+_D1YaRm7w8ZxLRJNmRQ+-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEwOW6TsrYPCtY8Hj3-sDwZLdKf+_D1YaRm7w8ZxLRJNmRQ+-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1589228759673-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Well, I'm very happy to hear about that, but I have been unsuccessful in my
attempts to find them. Nothing associated with General Boats or the Rhodes
22 pages they had seem to be active. I'd sure appreciate any contact info
you may have for them.
Thanks!
John



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon May 11 16:26:02 2020
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:26:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CD5EF122-86BA-4375-BBEC-645FAEA4E685@stottarchitecture.com>

General Boats is still in business and so is its captain. 
Albiet at reduced capacity like everyone else. 

Welcome to the crew at "Da List? . 
You will get loads of good information and advise from us - most of it from experience.
Your 1980 has had some work done.
And right off the bat - I?m going to ask you if you have an electric motor lift.
If it is not electric and is a manual lift - would you mind taking a few pics of it.
My ?84 has a older manual lift that I want to upgrade and don?t like the electric lifts - at least the ones I have seen operate. 
Thanks and welcome
Ric 
sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays, NY 
 

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office	631-283-1777
Cell		516-965-3164 





> On May 11, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Retro53 <retro53 at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I've had a Rhodes 22 for three years now, and since General Boats went out
> of business right around the same time, I've found it difficult to get
> accurate info about the boat despite trolling through search engine results
> many times. So, I was quite happy to come across what appears to be an
> active Rhodes 22 forum! My boat is named Deci-Belle and is a 1980 model. 
> John
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20190422_130431.jpg> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon May 11 16:30:41 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:30:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR05MB5774BDA710FD44ECFF6C595DBDA10@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <1589224452323-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <SN6PR05MB5774BDA710FD44ECFF6C595DBDA10@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <002001d627d3$0a9de130$1fd9a390$@ebsmed.com>

the  RHODES  OWNER'S  COOPERATIVE, take at look at:
http://www.usedrhodes.com/owners-coop.html


Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of John
Keyser
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 4:21 PM
To: NewIn76 <bferguson at jcu.edu>; The Rhodes 22 Email List
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!

BTW, what is a COOP?

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 3:14 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!

General Boats isn't out of business.  They cashed my check for the COOP
about nine months ago.  Welcome to the list.  Where in Pennsylvania are you
sailing?



-----
Brian
1976 Rhodes 22
Cleveland
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon May 11 16:34:45 2020
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:34:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1589229285112-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

General Boats is still in business. I'd be curious to know how you heard the
contrary. The Owner and CEO is Stan Spitzer. Email: stan at generalboats.com
Rhodes Owners Cooperative:  http://www.usedrhodes.com/owners-coop.html



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From retro53 at msn.com  Mon May 11 16:35:29 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:35:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <CD5EF122-86BA-4375-BBEC-645FAEA4E685@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <CD5EF122-86BA-4375-BBEC-645FAEA4E685@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB5774F293808F8B80A9457A19BDA10@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Ric,
Thanks for the welcome! The boat has a manual motor mount installed by a P.O. I don't happen to have any pictures of it at the moment, but I do have the information about it. It is a Garlick Heavy Duty Outboard Motor Bracket Model 71090 or 71091 (apparently the difference is the lift travel. Next time that I head over to her, I'll try and get a few pictures.

John

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 4:26 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!

General Boats is still in business and so is its captain.
Albiet at reduced capacity like everyone else.

Welcome to the crew at "Da List? .
You will get loads of good information and advise from us - most of it from experience.
Your 1980 has had some work done.
And right off the bat - I?m going to ask you if you have an electric motor lift.
If it is not electric and is a manual lift - would you mind taking a few pics of it.
My ?84 has a older manual lift that I want to upgrade and don?t like the electric lifts - at least the ones I have seen operate.
Thanks and welcome
Ric
sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays, NY


Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
www.stottarchitecture.com<http://www.stottarchitecture.com>
Office  631-283-1777
Cell            516-965-3164





> On May 11, 2020, at 3:05 PM, Retro53 <retro53 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> I've had a Rhodes 22 for three years now, and since General Boats went out
> of business right around the same time, I've found it difficult to get
> accurate info about the boat despite trolling through search engine results
> many times. So, I was quite happy to come across what appears to be an
> active Rhodes 22 forum! My boat is named Deci-Belle and is a 1980 model.
> John
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20190422_130431.jpg>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon May 11 16:37:23 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:37:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] GB is alive and well
In-Reply-To: <1589228759673-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAEwOW6TsrYPCtY8Hj3-sDwZLdKf+_D1YaRm7w8ZxLRJNmRQ+-w@mail.gmail.com>
 <1589228759673-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <002301d627d3$fab97850$f02c68f0$@ebsmed.com>

Try looking for them at:
www.generalboats.com or www.usedrhodes.com or http://www.rhodes22parts.com

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Retro53
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 4:26 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] GB is alive and well

Well, I'm very happy to hear about that, but I have been unsuccessful in my
attempts to find them. Nothing associated with General Boats or the Rhodes
22 pages they had seem to be active. I'd sure appreciate any contact info
you may have for them.
Thanks!
John



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From retro53 at msn.com  Mon May 11 16:53:47 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (Retro53)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:53:47 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1589230427072-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Wow! There certainly are a lot of Rhodes owners who have convinced me that
General Boats are not out of business. Happy to learn this. Since I was
never able to come up with what appeared to be an active website (things
looked like they were frozen in time at 2017) during any internet searches,
I assumed that they were no longer around. Thanks to all that responded and
stay well!



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon May 11 16:56:39 2020
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:56:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1589230599836-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Alexis, Here is a photo of my Triad showing the Brake line disconnect (#3)

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Trailer_Disconnects_for_Launch.jpg> 



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From stan at generalboats.com  Mon May 11 17:23:20 2020
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 17:23:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <d54348be-540c-efa6-5c7c-a157dcf6ed65@generalboats.com>


John,? You had me worried that it really was only a dream so I went to 
the last word in such matters: Google
They only had 283 million results for General Boats. Not having the time 
to pass all that on to you, attached is the handout from the past 
Annapolis Show and a photo from a recent owner in TX, conveniently named 
Tex.? I liked the shot of his Rhodes that he sent since it captures a 
guest enjoying the bow deck's chaise lounge and another taking advantage 
of the down be-low's standing headroom, while under sail.

Having been a Rhodie for only 3 years you may not have had a chance to 
see the first 3 web sites so we list them here for your easy visiting:
www.generalboats.com
www.usedrhodes.com
www.rhodes22parts.com
a forth, a new kind of classified, is under construction.

GB remains in business gearing up for its next 50 years.? It is I who am 
on borrowed time and so need partnering to pass on all I know about the 
sailboat business; that will not take long (no more than 94 years), 
should you run into any parties of interest.

So the ghost of GB joins all those welcoming your finding of the Rhodes 
List: A fountain of facts pertaining to the Rhodes sailboat; not always 
100%, but never wrong.

stan


On 5/11/20 3:05 PM, Retro53 wrote:
> Hi All,
> I've had a Rhodes 22 for three years now, and since General Boats went out
> of business right around the same time, I've found it difficult to get
> accurate info about the boat despite trolling through search engine results
> many times. So, I was quite happy to come across what appears to be an
> active Rhodes 22 forum! My boat is named Deci-Belle and is a 1980 model.
> John
>
>
>

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From retro53 at msn.com  Mon May 11 19:38:10 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 23:38:10 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <d54348be-540c-efa6-5c7c-a157dcf6ed65@generalboats.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <d54348be-540c-efa6-5c7c-a157dcf6ed65@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB5774F8CCD74A359130A1D1BBBDA10@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Stan, I am happy and humbled that you are still around! I cannot fully explain why my searches did not turn up your company, but obviously you exist.
I am the proud owner of one of your earlier boats, circa 1980 I think (HIN# GBX220118A80), and have been working toward bringing her back to her former glory while still sailing her. The window that has now opened into the Rhodes world will be of great assistance. Looking forward to continuing the relationship!

Sincerely,

John Keyser

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of stan <stan at generalboats.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:23 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!


John,  You had me worried that it really was only a dream so I went to
the last word in such matters: Google
They only had 283 million results for General Boats. Not having the time
to pass all that on to you, attached is the handout from the past
Annapolis Show and a photo from a recent owner in TX, conveniently named
Tex.  I liked the shot of his Rhodes that he sent since it captures a
guest enjoying the bow deck's chaise lounge and another taking advantage
of the down be-low's standing headroom, while under sail.

Having been a Rhodie for only 3 years you may not have had a chance to
see the first 3 web sites so we list them here for your easy visiting:
www.generalboats.com<http://www.generalboats.com>
www.usedrhodes.com<http://www.usedrhodes.com>
www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com>
a forth, a new kind of classified, is under construction.

GB remains in business gearing up for its next 50 years.  It is I who am
on borrowed time and so need partnering to pass on all I know about the
sailboat business; that will not take long (no more than 94 years),
should you run into any parties of interest.

So the ghost of GB joins all those welcoming your finding of the Rhodes
List: A fountain of facts pertaining to the Rhodes sailboat; not always
100%, but never wrong.

stan


On 5/11/20 3:05 PM, Retro53 wrote:
> Hi All,
> I've had a Rhodes 22 for three years now, and since General Boats went out
> of business right around the same time, I've found it difficult to get
> accurate info about the boat despite trolling through search engine results
> many times. So, I was quite happy to come across what appears to be an
> active Rhodes 22 forum! My boat is named Deci-Belle and is a 1980 model.
> John
>
>
>

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 11 20:22:26 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 00:22:26 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <000001d627b0$f86da170$e948e450$@ebsmed.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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 <CADQNfMAPZcw7275i557hfYu-xRD6X4Tifd2z9AFAD0-+VpKAJQ@mail.gmail.com>,
 <DM6PR07MB437806463B4B5C1A1CE5CB3EA6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <MN2PR05MB6941B0B2C6F905E82E5DF361C1A10@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
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Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69200C8EEAA08B81A2C90DB380BE0@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I carry a sealed roll of Flex Tape in my emergency kit.  I also carry a sealed roll when I go on canoeing or kayaking trips or out in the RIB.  I get a new roll every year as this stuff does have an expiration date.  I also carry a few Hypalon inflatable boat patches, (My Walker Bay RIB is made of Hypalon) which I would use to bridge over a bigger hole before sealing it with Flex Tape.  I am prepared to go over the side and repair the hole from outside.  I?ve had to repair a canoe by this method and the repair lasted for 3 more days on the river; but, never my Rhodes 22.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:26 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I actually carry a roll of Flex Tape (as seen on TV holding a boat together)
purchased from Home Depot:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/FLEX-SEAL-FAMILY-OF-PRODUCTS-Flex-Tape-Black-4-i
n-x-5-ft-Strong-Rubberized-Waterproof-Tape-TFSBLKR0405/302634866

The commercial also shows the tape's waterproof property by patching a hole
in an aquarium FROM THE INSIDE, not really useful for a hole in a boat, I
would think.

I found an investigative report that seems to validate the commercial claim
at:
https://www.insideedition.com/investigative/25621-are-the-commercials-hyped-
up-investigation-tests-whether-flex-tape-can-hold-a-boat-together

Hopefully, I will never need to use it.  According to my "friend", Mr.
Murphy, in the unlikely event that I will need the tape, the adhesive will
probably be dried out!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe,
Rob
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Not that I'm planning on holing my boat, but I wonder if any boaters carry
tape that could be applied to a hole like this underwater? - rob

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Intertape-Polymer-Group-3-in-x-5-yds-VersaTape-U
nderwater-Tape-99688/206300616


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis
Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair
myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life
videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn't feeling
like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It's structural
and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think
about it and we'll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank
<hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available to
show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also
> suggest that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best
> first-time project. It would be great, though, if you could find
> someone to give you a hand like Hank was able to that would be idea.
> FWIW I would recommend Allan H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag
> =1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&re
> f=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another
> > boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the
> > other guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do
> > and I did it myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn
> > these skills.  If you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself
as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to
> > > the boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>


From stan at generalboats.com  Mon May 11 20:56:57 2020
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 20:56:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR05MB5774F8CCD74A359130A1D1BBBDA10@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1589223956766-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <d54348be-540c-efa6-5c7c-a157dcf6ed65@generalboats.com>
 <SN6PR05MB5774F8CCD74A359130A1D1BBBDA10@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <a88e1b62-e788-9abb-3609-22adaf768525@generalboats.com>


Thanks for the nice note, John, glad you are happy, but I don't know 
what humble means so you have to watch out for me.? Once when someone 
told me they did not know how to contact me I Googled myself and I was 
their number one stan spitzer out of almost one mil references.? Now, 
when I check me, I find I have been demoted to page 2 with my only 
distinguishing event being, of the 4 photos allowed that page, 2 are 
me.? How quickly the public forgets.? The pictures have not brought a 
single female inquiry.

General Boats has forever been on page one, all of it, because there is 
no other General Boats. That is my other name so, dead or alive, I 
remain easy to find.

The crew on the List will take good care of you. Our value is for Rhodes 
parts and services that you can not readily get from other sources and 
for the few questions the List Rhodies are not tuned into.

best way to reach me is email:? stan at generalboats.com

stan


On 5/11/20 7:38 PM, John Keyser wrote:
> Stan, I am happy and humbled that you are still around! I cannot fully explain why my searches did not turn up your company, but obviously you exist.
> I am the proud owner of one of your earlier boats, circa 1980 I think (HIN# GBX220118A80), and have been working toward bringing her back to her former glory while still sailing her. The window that has now opened into the Rhodes world will be of great assistance. Looking forward to continuing the relationship!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Keyser
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of stan <stan at generalboats.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:23 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
>
>
> John,  You had me worried that it really was only a dream so I went to
> the last word in such matters: Google
> They only had 283 million results for General Boats. Not having the time
> to pass all that on to you, attached is the handout from the past
> Annapolis Show and a photo from a recent owner in TX, conveniently named
> Tex.  I liked the shot of his Rhodes that he sent since it captures a
> guest enjoying the bow deck's chaise lounge and another taking advantage
> of the down be-low's standing headroom, while under sail.
>
> Having been a Rhodie for only 3 years you may not have had a chance to
> see the first 3 web sites so we list them here for your easy visiting:
> www.generalboats.com<http://www.generalboats.com>
> www.usedrhodes.com<http://www.usedrhodes.com>
> www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com>
> a forth, a new kind of classified, is under construction.
>
> GB remains in business gearing up for its next 50 years.  It is I who am
> on borrowed time and so need partnering to pass on all I know about the
> sailboat business; that will not take long (no more than 94 years),
> should you run into any parties of interest.
>
> So the ghost of GB joins all those welcoming your finding of the Rhodes
> List: A fountain of facts pertaining to the Rhodes sailboat; not always
> 100%, but never wrong.
>
> stan
>
>
> On 5/11/20 3:05 PM, Retro53 wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I've had a Rhodes 22 for three years now, and since General Boats went out
>> of business right around the same time, I've found it difficult to get
>> accurate info about the boat despite trolling through search engine results
>> many times. So, I was quite happy to come across what appears to be an
>> active Rhodes 22 forum! My boat is named Deci-Belle and is a 1980 model.
>> John
>>
>>
>>
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From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Mon May 11 23:24:38 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 03:24:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?
In-Reply-To: <1589230599836-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378EDBBF13994DB42F408D0A6A70@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>,
 <1589230599836-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB4378080080DBD22CE2FD22FEA6BE0@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks, Joe!

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 4:56:39 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer brake disconnect?

Alexis, Here is a photo of my Triad showing the Brake line disconnect (#3)

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Trailer_Disconnects_for_Launch.jpg>



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue May 12 08:51:08 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 12:51:08 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR07MB437842E8437297750CC15499A6A10@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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 <1589103595143-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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 <MN2PR05MB6941B0B2C6F905E82E5DF361C1A10@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
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Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB6941831B8C76D848C6855A59C1BE0@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Alexis,
Nice looking boat.  Hope you get her repaired and splashed soon.

I had similar problems with my bunks and ended up replacing all of them.  I also had to have a couple of the metal support pieces re welded.  If you need to go that route, make sure they are welded vertically.  They welded mine on perpendicular to the frame which made them too close together.  This was for the keel guide boards and I could not get the boat loaded as the keel would not slide it.  I ended up replacing the 2X guide boards with 1X which gave me sufficient room.

What type of tires did you put on the trailer?  I hope trailer tires, automobile tires do not have the weight capacity you will need.  Good time to take a look.

I notice you do not have the mast crutch.  How about the mast raising system?  A word from experience, when you raise the mast you'll want to get the aft end of it much higher up in the air before you raise.  Good luck! - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 4:20 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

My trailer is a single-axle Triad trailer. All the galvanized steel is in good shape. It?s just the wood that was probably too old, and the screws came off.

I am attaching a picture of the bracket that ended up sticking out. It?s the little one, on the inside bunk, not the outside one.

And yes, you can see I had a flat tire. I am not being very lucky this year... I did replace both tires as they were from 2007, which - I also learned the hard way - is past age.

Regarding the rollers, I think my trailer only has one at the aft end. I think it supports the centerboard but nothing else.

Alexis

[Image.jpeg]

[Image.jpeg]

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:26:47 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I actually carry a roll of Flex Tape (as seen on TV holding a boat together)
purchased from Home Depot:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/FLEX-SEAL-FAMILY-OF-PRODUCTS-Flex-Tape-Black-4-i
n-x-5-ft-Strong-Rubberized-Waterproof-Tape-TFSBLKR0405/302634866

The commercial also shows the tape's waterproof property by patching a hole
in an aquarium FROM THE INSIDE, not really useful for a hole in a boat, I
would think.

I found an investigative report that seems to validate the commercial claim
at:
https://www.insideedition.com/investigative/25621-are-the-commercials-hyped-
up-investigation-tests-whether-flex-tape-can-hold-a-boat-together

Hopefully, I will never need to use it.  According to my "friend", Mr.
Murphy, in the unlikely event that I will need the tape, the adhesive will
probably be dried out!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe,
Rob
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Not that I'm planning on holing my boat, but I wonder if any boaters carry
tape that could be applied to a hole like this underwater? - rob

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Intertape-Polymer-Group-3-in-x-5-yds-VersaTape-U
nderwater-Tape-99688/206300616


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis
Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair
myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life
videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn't feeling
like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It's structural
and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think
about it and we'll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank
<hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available to
show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also
> suggest that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best
> first-time project. It would be great, though, if you could find
> someone to give you a hand like Hank was able to that would be idea.
> FWIW I would recommend Allan H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag
> =1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&re
> f=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another
> > boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the
> > other guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do
> > and I did it myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn
> > these skills.  If you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself
as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to
> > > the boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>

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From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Tue May 12 10:40:27 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:40:27 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR05MB6941831B8C76D848C6855A59C1BE0@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR07MB4378AF98FFC72A835E1A0571A6A00@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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 <MN2PR05MB6941831B8C76D848C6855A59C1BE0@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB437850D6C027CD1438C5C066A6BE0@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks, Rob.

The previous owner had done a good job keeping the boat in good shape. It?s all on my shoulders now...

The tires I used are Carlisle Sport Trail ST 225/75D15 LRD. I believe this is what was originally used on the trailer, and the load range (D) should be adequate.

And you?re right, I don?t have the mast crutch and raising system on the boat. I use wood supports to hold the mast in place when trailering, and I keep the other accessories inside the cabin. I feel like the mast is more solidly held in place this way.

Good to know about welding brackets on the trailer. I don?t think I am going to have to do that this time but I will keep that in mind for the future.
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:51:08 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,
Nice looking boat.  Hope you get her repaired and splashed soon.

I had similar problems with my bunks and ended up replacing all of them.  I also had to have a couple of the metal support pieces re welded.  If you need to go that route, make sure they are welded vertically.  They welded mine on perpendicular to the frame which made them too close together.  This was for the keel guide boards and I could not get the boat loaded as the keel would not slide it.  I ended up replacing the 2X guide boards with 1X which gave me sufficient room.

What type of tires did you put on the trailer?  I hope trailer tires, automobile tires do not have the weight capacity you will need.  Good time to take a look.

I notice you do not have the mast crutch.  How about the mast raising system?  A word from experience, when you raise the mast you'll want to get the aft end of it much higher up in the air before you raise.  Good luck! - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 4:20 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

My trailer is a single-axle Triad trailer. All the galvanized steel is in good shape. It?s just the wood that was probably too old, and the screws came off.

I am attaching a picture of the bracket that ended up sticking out. It?s the little one, on the inside bunk, not the outside one.

And yes, you can see I had a flat tire. I am not being very lucky this year... I did replace both tires as they were from 2007, which - I also learned the hard way - is past age.

Regarding the rollers, I think my trailer only has one at the aft end. I think it supports the centerboard but nothing else.

Alexis

[Image.jpeg]

[Image.jpeg]

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:26:47 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I actually carry a roll of Flex Tape (as seen on TV holding a boat together)
purchased from Home Depot:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/FLEX-SEAL-FAMILY-OF-PRODUCTS-Flex-Tape-Black-4-i
n-x-5-ft-Strong-Rubberized-Waterproof-Tape-TFSBLKR0405/302634866

The commercial also shows the tape's waterproof property by patching a hole
in an aquarium FROM THE INSIDE, not really useful for a hole in a boat, I
would think.

I found an investigative report that seems to validate the commercial claim
at:
https://www.insideedition.com/investigative/25621-are-the-commercials-hyped-
up-investigation-tests-whether-flex-tape-can-hold-a-boat-together

Hopefully, I will never need to use it.  According to my "friend", Mr.
Murphy, in the unlikely event that I will need the tape, the adhesive will
probably be dried out!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe,
Rob
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Not that I'm planning on holing my boat, but I wonder if any boaters carry
tape that could be applied to a hole like this underwater? - rob

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Intertape-Polymer-Group-3-in-x-5-yds-VersaTape-U
nderwater-Tape-99688/206300616


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis
Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair
myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life
videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn't feeling
like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It's structural
and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think
about it and we'll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank
<hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available to
show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also
> suggest that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best
> first-time project. It would be great, though, if you could find
> someone to give you a hand like Hank was able to that would be idea.
> FWIW I would recommend Allan H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag
> =1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&re
> f=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another
> > boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the
> > other guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do
> > and I did it myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn
> > these skills.  If you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself
as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to
> > > the boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>

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From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue May 12 11:01:54 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:01:54 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure
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Alexis,
Cool, those tires look adequate.  The reason I ask is I had never paid any attention to my trailer tires, I just assumed they were adequate.  One day I'm in the midst of taking my boat to the lake and I'm in a parking lot.  I happened to look in my side mirror at the boat and noticed the trailer tire was split right now the middle of the tread and what looked like an inner tube was visible!  Upon further inspection I discovered the tires were standard automotive tires and not adequate for a trailer.  I didn't have a spare tire with me.  I ended up leaving the boat where it was and came back with a jack and stands.  I took both tires off and took them to be replace with trailer tires.  So now I pay attention to trailer tires. - rob


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 10:40 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Thanks, Rob.

The previous owner had done a good job keeping the boat in good shape. It?s all on my shoulders now...

The tires I used are Carlisle Sport Trail ST 225/75D15 LRD. I believe this is what was originally used on the trailer, and the load range (D) should be adequate.

And you?re right, I don?t have the mast crutch and raising system on the boat. I use wood supports to hold the mast in place when trailering, and I keep the other accessories inside the cabin. I feel like the mast is more solidly held in place this way.

Good to know about welding brackets on the trailer. I don?t think I am going to have to do that this time but I will keep that in mind for the future.
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 8:51:08 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Alexis,
Nice looking boat.  Hope you get her repaired and splashed soon.

I had similar problems with my bunks and ended up replacing all of them.  I also had to have a couple of the metal support pieces re welded.  If you need to go that route, make sure they are welded vertically.  They welded mine on perpendicular to the frame which made them too close together.  This was for the keel guide boards and I could not get the boat loaded as the keel would not slide it.  I ended up replacing the 2X guide boards with 1X which gave me sufficient room.

What type of tires did you put on the trailer?  I hope trailer tires, automobile tires do not have the weight capacity you will need.  Good time to take a look.

I notice you do not have the mast crutch.  How about the mast raising system?  A word from experience, when you raise the mast you'll want to get the aft end of it much higher up in the air before you raise.  Good luck! - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 4:20 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

My trailer is a single-axle Triad trailer. All the galvanized steel is in good shape. It?s just the wood that was probably too old, and the screws came off.

I am attaching a picture of the bracket that ended up sticking out. It?s the little one, on the inside bunk, not the outside one.

And yes, you can see I had a flat tire. I am not being very lucky this year... I did replace both tires as they were from 2007, which - I also learned the hard way - is past age.

Regarding the rollers, I think my trailer only has one at the aft end. I think it supports the centerboard but nothing else.

Alexis

[Image.jpeg]

[Image.jpeg]

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:26:47 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I actually carry a roll of Flex Tape (as seen on TV holding a boat together)
purchased from Home Depot:
https://www.homedepot.com/p/FLEX-SEAL-FAMILY-OF-PRODUCTS-Flex-Tape-Black-4-i
n-x-5-ft-Strong-Rubberized-Waterproof-Tape-TFSBLKR0405/302634866

The commercial also shows the tape's waterproof property by patching a hole
in an aquarium FROM THE INSIDE, not really useful for a hole in a boat, I
would think.

I found an investigative report that seems to validate the commercial claim
at:
https://www.insideedition.com/investigative/25621-are-the-commercials-hyped-
up-investigation-tests-whether-flex-tape-can-hold-a-boat-together

Hopefully, I will never need to use it.  According to my "friend", Mr.
Murphy, in the unlikely event that I will need the tape, the adhesive will
probably be dried out!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe,
Rob
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 12:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

Not that I'm planning on holing my boat, but I wonder if any boaters carry
tape that could be applied to a hole like this underwater? - rob

https://www.homedepot.com/p/Intertape-Polymer-Group-3-in-x-5-yds-VersaTape-U
nderwater-Tape-99688/206300616


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Alexis
Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I am quite impressed most of you are recommending for me to do the repair
myself! I have watched countless hours of Boatworks Today and Sail Life
videos, so I kind of know the steps for this repair, but I wasn't feeling
like it was a good first project for a fiberglass repair. It's structural
and under the water line, so definitely needs to be done right. I will think
about it and we'll see what I decide!

Thanks all,
Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hank
<hnw555 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 10, 2020 12:29:08 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Launch... and the story of an epic failure

I also didn't have the benefit of all of the youtube videos now available to
show folks how to do things when I did my first fiberglass repair.  Much
easier to be a DIYer these days.

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 10:00 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
wrote:

> I agree that fiberglass work is not difficult, but I would also
> suggest that repairing a hole below the waterline may not be the best
> first-time project. It would be great, though, if you could find
> someone to give you a hand like Hank was able to that would be idea.
> FWIW I would recommend Allan H. Vaites Fiberglass Repair Manual <
> https://smile.amazon.com/dp/0071569146?tag=amz-mkt-chr-us-20&ascsubtag
> =1ba00-01000-org00-mac00-other-smile-us000-pcomp-feature-scomp-wm-5&re
> f=aa_scomp
> >
> .
>
> Mark Whipple
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 9:14 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > This is definitely true. I had some fiberglass issues on another
> > boat
> that
> > I used to own and was gonna have the yard do it.Instead one of the
> > other guys in the marina showed me that it wasn't that hard to do
> > and I did it myself.  Very satisfying and glad I was a able to learn
> > these skills.  If you are at all handy you can probly do this yourself
as well.
> >
> > On Sun, May 10, 2020, 05:39 JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Fiberglass work is fairly easy, if you have the time and access to
> > > the boat.
> > > Check out some YouTube videos and figure out whether you have the
> skills
> > > and
> > > patience.  You probably do.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
> --
> 2000 R22 *Tiny Dancer*
> 1986 Nimble 30 (For Sale)
> 1982 Com-Pac 15 (For Sale)
> Boston, MA
>

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From retro53 at msn.com  Tue May 12 18:31:58 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 22:31:58 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
In-Reply-To: <a88e1b62-e788-9abb-3609-22adaf768525@generalboats.com>
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Where are you performing tonight, Stan? Your email had me laughing all the way through it!

Stay well!

John Keyser

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of stan <stan at generalboats.com>
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 8:56 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!


Thanks for the nice note, John, glad you are happy, but I don't know
what humble means so you have to watch out for me.  Once when someone
told me they did not know how to contact me I Googled myself and I was
their number one stan spitzer out of almost one mil references.  Now,
when I check me, I find I have been demoted to page 2 with my only
distinguishing event being, of the 4 photos allowed that page, 2 are
me.  How quickly the public forgets.  The pictures have not brought a
single female inquiry.

General Boats has forever been on page one, all of it, because there is
no other General Boats. That is my other name so, dead or alive, I
remain easy to find.

The crew on the List will take good care of you. Our value is for Rhodes
parts and services that you can not readily get from other sources and
for the few questions the List Rhodies are not tuned into.

best way to reach me is email:  stan at generalboats.com

stan


On 5/11/20 7:38 PM, John Keyser wrote:
> Stan, I am happy and humbled that you are still around! I cannot fully explain why my searches did not turn up your company, but obviously you exist.
> I am the proud owner of one of your earlier boats, circa 1980 I think (HIN# GBX220118A80), and have been working toward bringing her back to her former glory while still sailing her. The window that has now opened into the Rhodes world will be of great assistance. Looking forward to continuing the relationship!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> John Keyser
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of stan <stan at generalboats.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 5:23 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Happy To Have Found You!
>
>
> John,  You had me worried that it really was only a dream so I went to
> the last word in such matters: Google
> They only had 283 million results for General Boats. Not having the time
> to pass all that on to you, attached is the handout from the past
> Annapolis Show and a photo from a recent owner in TX, conveniently named
> Tex.  I liked the shot of his Rhodes that he sent since it captures a
> guest enjoying the bow deck's chaise lounge and another taking advantage
> of the down be-low's standing headroom, while under sail.
>
> Having been a Rhodie for only 3 years you may not have had a chance to
> see the first 3 web sites so we list them here for your easy visiting:
> www.generalboats.com<http://www.generalboats.com<http://www.generalboats.com<http://www.generalboats.com>>
> www.usedrhodes.com<http://www.usedrhodes.com>
> www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com<http://www.rhodes22parts.com>>
> a forth, a new kind of classified, is under construction.
>
> GB remains in business gearing up for its next 50 years.  It is I who am
> on borrowed time and so need partnering to pass on all I know about the
> sailboat business; that will not take long (no more than 94 years),
> should you run into any parties of interest.
>
> So the ghost of GB joins all those welcoming your finding of the Rhodes
> List: A fountain of facts pertaining to the Rhodes sailboat; not always
> 100%, but never wrong.
>
> stan
>
>
> On 5/11/20 3:05 PM, Retro53 wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I've had a Rhodes 22 for three years now, and since General Boats went out
>> of business right around the same time, I've found it difficult to get
>> accurate info about the boat despite trolling through search engine results
>> many times. So, I was quite happy to come across what appears to be an
>> active Rhodes 22 forum! My boat is named Deci-Belle and is a 1980 model.
>> John
>>
>>
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From ews1esq at yahoo.com  Wed May 13 14:38:33 2020
From: ews1esq at yahoo.com (eric w. smith)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 18:38:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Bimini Top
References: <110479613.251525.1589395113234.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <110479613.251525.1589395113234@mail.yahoo.com>

To the list,
I have a 1995 Rhodes and I need a bimini top now that I live in Florida.? I purchased the bimini top travel cars from Stan a short time ago.? These ingenious devices (Stan's invention) ride on the genoa C track forward of the genoa winches.
I contacted GB to buy new one from Stan, but he has advised that size of the bimini makes shipping prohibitively expensive.? There's a local seller here in Fort Pierce, Florida which has? a large selection, but the dimensions are puzzling.? I don't want one too large or too small, but rather, as Goldilocks said, just the right size.
Does anyone on the list have the exact measurements for their bimini?? The biminis that I have looked at start with the gunwale to gunwale measurement (width), then the measurement from the edge of the open pop top to several inches from the main sheet and traveler (length).? The last dimension is from the top of the gunwale to a few inches below the boom when it is riding parallel to the boat.
Any help from you Rhodes bimini owners?
Eric SmithRed Mistress (Rhodes 22)?

From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com  Wed May 13 15:45:01 2020
From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 19:45:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Bimini Top
In-Reply-To: <110479613.251525.1589395113234@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <110479613.251525.1589395113234.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <110479613.251525.1589395113234@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR07MB4378692C8C7EB824B0E8C24CA6BF0@DM6PR07MB4378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Eric,

Here is what I have:
- width: 80?
- length: 2 pieces of clothe of 33? each, for a total of 66?
- height: about 46? (the legs are about 56? but they stand at an angle)

Alexis

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of eric w. smith via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2020 2:38:33 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Bimini Top

To the list,
I have a 1995 Rhodes and I need a bimini top now that I live in Florida.  I purchased the bimini top travel cars from Stan a short time ago.  These ingenious devices (Stan's invention) ride on the genoa C track forward of the genoa winches.
I contacted GB to buy new one from Stan, but he has advised that size of the bimini makes shipping prohibitively expensive.  There's a local seller here in Fort Pierce, Florida which has  a large selection, but the dimensions are puzzling.  I don't want one too large or too small, but rather, as Goldilocks said, just the right size.
Does anyone on the list have the exact measurements for their bimini?  The biminis that I have looked at start with the gunwale to gunwale measurement (width), then the measurement from the edge of the open pop top to several inches from the main sheet and traveler (length).  The last dimension is from the top of the gunwale to a few inches below the boom when it is riding parallel to the boat.
Any help from you Rhodes bimini owners?
Eric SmithRed Mistress (Rhodes 22)

From snstaum at gmail.com  Wed May 13 21:00:09 2020
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 21:00:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Bimini Top
In-Reply-To: <110479613.251525.1589395113234@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <110479613.251525.1589395113234.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <110479613.251525.1589395113234@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjfQULBcqATxtzJ=-H0JnZHJeyaUPWc-35RyYEPduTyWHw@mail.gmail.com>

I have one I got from Stan years ago.  I can measure it next time at the
boat (which is now on it's mooring!) probably this Sunday.


*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 2:38 PM eric w. smith via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> To the list,
> I have a 1995 Rhodes and I need a bimini top now that I live in Florida.
> I purchased the bimini top travel cars from Stan a short time ago.  These
> ingenious devices (Stan's invention) ride on the genoa C track forward of
> the genoa winches.
> I contacted GB to buy new one from Stan, but he has advised that size of
> the bimini makes shipping prohibitively expensive.  There's a local seller
> here in Fort Pierce, Florida which has  a large selection, but the
> dimensions are puzzling.  I don't want one too large or too small, but
> rather, as Goldilocks said, just the right size.
> Does anyone on the list have the exact measurements for their bimini?  The
> biminis that I have looked at start with the gunwale to gunwale measurement
> (width), then the measurement from the edge of the open pop top to several
> inches from the main sheet and traveler (length).  The last dimension is
> from the top of the gunwale to a few inches below the boom when it is
> riding parallel to the boat.
> Any help from you Rhodes bimini owners?
> Eric SmithRed Mistress (Rhodes 22)
>

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri May 15 11:34:51 2020
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 08:34:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
Message-ID: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

The rail on the edge of my galley is white composite plastic. I want to
replace it with teak pinrail. What seemed to be an easy project turned
complicated. There are no fasteners visible underneath to remove the
composite. Can anyone advise me or provide a photo of the counter/rail
construction?



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri May 15 11:52:35 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 15:52:35 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
In-Reply-To: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB6941B38AB6402BE785FB923CC1BD0@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Joe,
I'm going to guess it's glued on if you can't find any fasteners.  If so, a heat gun to loosen the glue and a scrapper blade to work it loose might do the trick.  - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net>
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 11:34 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction

The rail on the edge of my galley is white composite plastic. I want to
replace it with teak pinrail. What seemed to be an easy project turned
complicated. There are no fasteners visible underneath to remove the
composite. Can anyone advise me or provide a photo of the counter/rail
construction?



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri May 15 12:15:00 2020
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 09:15:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
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Rob,. I was hoping that isn't the case, but I think you're probably right.
Thanks !




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s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From ruckc at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 13:44:07 2020
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 13:44:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>

My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to
replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard
marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.

Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?

--
Curtis
s/v Ruck It
Augusta, GA

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri May 15 13:51:25 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 13:51:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002101d62ae1$7578af60$606a0e20$@ebsmed.com>

Curtis,

In many of the boats built around 1980, the cabin sole employed a standard plywood (not marine ply) coated with polyester resin to make it water resistant. Unfortunately, the glue was not water resistant and the sole delaminated frequently. It is your choice if you wish to spend for marine plywood or just buy some exterior grade (CDX) plywood and resin. The latter combination seems to last for about 15 years which may be sufficient.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring

My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.

Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?

--
Curtis
s/v Ruck It
Augusta, GA


From ruckc at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 14:05:18 2020
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:05:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <002101d62ae1$7578af60$606a0e20$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <002101d62ae1$7578af60$606a0e20$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAFgGLFfsKiYAPDMGSD=dkg2pRi2cAtcX6tKwFKAzndcNrbS_QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.

Considering how often i've seen water overflowing my bilge, i'll probably
opt for the marine plywood.

Just trying to get things in better shape... but i'm taking on some water
from i don't know where.  if i am level, and the bilge starts dry, i can
see a trickle coming from under the cockpit foam, but all through hull
fittings are dry in the stern locker.
--
Curtis


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:51 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Curtis,
>
> In many of the boats built around 1980, the cabin sole employed a standard
> plywood (not marine ply) coated with polyester resin to make it water
> resistant. Unfortunately, the glue was not water resistant and the sole
> delaminated frequently. It is your choice if you wish to spend for marine
> plywood or just buy some exterior grade (CDX) plywood and resin. The latter
> combination seems to last for about 15 years which may be sufficient.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
>
> My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to
> replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard
> marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.
>
> Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?
>
> --
> Curtis
> s/v Ruck It
> Augusta, GA
>
>

From ruckc at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 14:05:18 2020
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:05:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <002101d62ae1$7578af60$606a0e20$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <002101d62ae1$7578af60$606a0e20$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAFgGLFfsKiYAPDMGSD=dkg2pRi2cAtcX6tKwFKAzndcNrbS_QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.

Considering how often i've seen water overflowing my bilge, i'll probably
opt for the marine plywood.

Just trying to get things in better shape... but i'm taking on some water
from i don't know where.  if i am level, and the bilge starts dry, i can
see a trickle coming from under the cockpit foam, but all through hull
fittings are dry in the stern locker.
--
Curtis


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:51 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Curtis,
>
> In many of the boats built around 1980, the cabin sole employed a standard
> plywood (not marine ply) coated with polyester resin to make it water
> resistant. Unfortunately, the glue was not water resistant and the sole
> delaminated frequently. It is your choice if you wish to spend for marine
> plywood or just buy some exterior grade (CDX) plywood and resin. The latter
> combination seems to last for about 15 years which may be sufficient.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
>
> My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to
> replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard
> marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.
>
> Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?
>
> --
> Curtis
> s/v Ruck It
> Augusta, GA
>
>

From ruckc at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 14:05:18 2020
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:05:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <002101d62ae1$7578af60$606a0e20$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <002101d62ae1$7578af60$606a0e20$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAFgGLFfsKiYAPDMGSD=dkg2pRi2cAtcX6tKwFKAzndcNrbS_QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.

Considering how often i've seen water overflowing my bilge, i'll probably
opt for the marine plywood.

Just trying to get things in better shape... but i'm taking on some water
from i don't know where.  if i am level, and the bilge starts dry, i can
see a trickle coming from under the cockpit foam, but all through hull
fittings are dry in the stern locker.
--
Curtis


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:51 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Curtis,
>
> In many of the boats built around 1980, the cabin sole employed a standard
> plywood (not marine ply) coated with polyester resin to make it water
> resistant. Unfortunately, the glue was not water resistant and the sole
> delaminated frequently. It is your choice if you wish to spend for marine
> plywood or just buy some exterior grade (CDX) plywood and resin. The latter
> combination seems to last for about 15 years which may be sufficient.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
>
> My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to
> replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard
> marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.
>
> Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?
>
> --
> Curtis
> s/v Ruck It
> Augusta, GA
>
>

From ruckc at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 14:05:18 2020
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 14:05:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <002101d62ae1$7578af60$606a0e20$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <002101d62ae1$7578af60$606a0e20$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CAFgGLFfsKiYAPDMGSD=dkg2pRi2cAtcX6tKwFKAzndcNrbS_QQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks.

Considering how often i've seen water overflowing my bilge, i'll probably
opt for the marine plywood.

Just trying to get things in better shape... but i'm taking on some water
from i don't know where.  if i am level, and the bilge starts dry, i can
see a trickle coming from under the cockpit foam, but all through hull
fittings are dry in the stern locker.
--
Curtis


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 1:51 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Curtis,
>
> In many of the boats built around 1980, the cabin sole employed a standard
> plywood (not marine ply) coated with polyester resin to make it water
> resistant. Unfortunately, the glue was not water resistant and the sole
> delaminated frequently. It is your choice if you wish to spend for marine
> plywood or just buy some exterior grade (CDX) plywood and resin. The latter
> combination seems to last for about 15 years which may be sufficient.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
>
> My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to
> replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard
> marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.
>
> Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?
>
> --
> Curtis
> s/v Ruck It
> Augusta, GA
>
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri May 15 15:17:43 2020
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 15:17:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008e01d62aed$864198f0$92c4cad0$@ca>

First make sure that the stringers are still sound. Also check under the compression post to make sure whatever you have there (it varies between boars) is sound. Mine wasn't of course. I had to replace everything in my boat. I used epoxy coated deck boards for the inside stringers and used angel aluminum attached to the outside stringers.

For the floor I used GBS (good both sides) exterior grade plywood that I coated with 2+ coats of epoxy followed by exterior grade floor paint. I then covered the top with vinyl sheet flooring that was attached to each panel with contact cement. Makes a good soft non-skid and easily  cleaned surface. I also enlarged the removable panels to increase access to the bilge. I should have made them bigger.

I attached the panels to the wooden stringers using screws and finishing washers and attached the floor boards to the aluminum angel strips using bolts and aluminum inserts . 


I have attached a few photos.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring

My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to
replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard
marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.

Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?

--
Curtis
s/v Ruck It
Augusta, GA
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From ruckc at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 16:19:00 2020
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 16:19:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <008e01d62aed$864198f0$92c4cad0$@ca>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFgGLFfuc_LT_tKrL2P6X+eTwKApHfzUXt9j05m0xoZ=t+OU9A@mail.gmail.com>

I know my flooring is shaky... but i'm not gutting my interior yet.  just
want a bandaid over the bilge for a while, hopefully a few years.  My boat
was a $3000 w/ trailer special, and da list said i probably overpaid.

I don't keep carpet or anything over the floor, and when i sail, i normally
have the bilge open to keep an eye on the water level.

So far i've checked the centerboard cap, the 3 through hull fittings
(knotmeter, depth gauge, and cockpit drain), and i can't find any water
coming through any of them.

My task this summer is to find the leak.  My first step is going to be to
strip the 3-4 layers of flaking antifouling paint off the gel coat to
inspect the exterior.  There could probably be a cannonball hole through my
hull and i couldn't see it due to the antifouling's myriad of colors.

One of the previous owners had liberally coated the bilge with epoxy, and
that epoxy has cracked with what appears to be loose concrete pieces... so
i plan on inspecting exterior first, before going to a cabin gutting,
because if I end up gutting the cabin, i will just stay gutted since i
don't use it.

>From what I can tell about the compression post, is it's stable.  The deck
hasn't deformed any, and the deck is extremely solid.  In my inspection
this year, i've only found one soft spot on the cockpit floor, about the
size of a coffee can.  I just replaced my forecabin vent, while enlarging
it some, and the wood there was in perfect condition.

One of my biggest problems with water has always been the cockpit drains
clogging, and water overflowing the stern locker.  So once i get a 3d
printer i'm going to print baskets to sit over them.

--
Curtis


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 3:17 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> First make sure that the stringers are still sound. Also check under the
> compression post to make sure whatever you have there (it varies between
> boars) is sound. Mine wasn't of course. I had to replace everything in my
> boat. I used epoxy coated deck boards for the inside stringers and used
> angel aluminum attached to the outside stringers.
>
> For the floor I used GBS (good both sides) exterior grade plywood that I
> coated with 2+ coats of epoxy followed by exterior grade floor paint. I
> then covered the top with vinyl sheet flooring that was attached to each
> panel with contact cement. Makes a good soft non-skid and easily  cleaned
> surface. I also enlarged the removable panels to increase access to the
> bilge. I should have made them bigger.
>
> I attached the panels to the wooden stringers using screws and finishing
> washers and attached the floor boards to the aluminum angel strips using
> bolts and aluminum inserts .
>
>
> I have attached a few photos.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
>
> My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to
> replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard
> marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.
>
> Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?
>
> --
> Curtis
> s/v Ruck It
> Augusta, GA
>

From ruckc at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 16:19:00 2020
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 16:19:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <008e01d62aed$864198f0$92c4cad0$@ca>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <008e01d62aed$864198f0$92c4cad0$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAFgGLFfuc_LT_tKrL2P6X+eTwKApHfzUXt9j05m0xoZ=t+OU9A@mail.gmail.com>

I know my flooring is shaky... but i'm not gutting my interior yet.  just
want a bandaid over the bilge for a while, hopefully a few years.  My boat
was a $3000 w/ trailer special, and da list said i probably overpaid.

I don't keep carpet or anything over the floor, and when i sail, i normally
have the bilge open to keep an eye on the water level.

So far i've checked the centerboard cap, the 3 through hull fittings
(knotmeter, depth gauge, and cockpit drain), and i can't find any water
coming through any of them.

My task this summer is to find the leak.  My first step is going to be to
strip the 3-4 layers of flaking antifouling paint off the gel coat to
inspect the exterior.  There could probably be a cannonball hole through my
hull and i couldn't see it due to the antifouling's myriad of colors.

One of the previous owners had liberally coated the bilge with epoxy, and
that epoxy has cracked with what appears to be loose concrete pieces... so
i plan on inspecting exterior first, before going to a cabin gutting,
because if I end up gutting the cabin, i will just stay gutted since i
don't use it.

>From what I can tell about the compression post, is it's stable.  The deck
hasn't deformed any, and the deck is extremely solid.  In my inspection
this year, i've only found one soft spot on the cockpit floor, about the
size of a coffee can.  I just replaced my forecabin vent, while enlarging
it some, and the wood there was in perfect condition.

One of my biggest problems with water has always been the cockpit drains
clogging, and water overflowing the stern locker.  So once i get a 3d
printer i'm going to print baskets to sit over them.

--
Curtis


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 3:17 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> First make sure that the stringers are still sound. Also check under the
> compression post to make sure whatever you have there (it varies between
> boars) is sound. Mine wasn't of course. I had to replace everything in my
> boat. I used epoxy coated deck boards for the inside stringers and used
> angel aluminum attached to the outside stringers.
>
> For the floor I used GBS (good both sides) exterior grade plywood that I
> coated with 2+ coats of epoxy followed by exterior grade floor paint. I
> then covered the top with vinyl sheet flooring that was attached to each
> panel with contact cement. Makes a good soft non-skid and easily  cleaned
> surface. I also enlarged the removable panels to increase access to the
> bilge. I should have made them bigger.
>
> I attached the panels to the wooden stringers using screws and finishing
> washers and attached the floor boards to the aluminum angel strips using
> bolts and aluminum inserts .
>
>
> I have attached a few photos.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
>
> My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to
> replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard
> marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.
>
> Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?
>
> --
> Curtis
> s/v Ruck It
> Augusta, GA
>

From ruckc at yahoo.com  Fri May 15 16:19:00 2020
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 16:19:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <008e01d62aed$864198f0$92c4cad0$@ca>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <008e01d62aed$864198f0$92c4cad0$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAFgGLFfuc_LT_tKrL2P6X+eTwKApHfzUXt9j05m0xoZ=t+OU9A@mail.gmail.com>

I know my flooring is shaky... but i'm not gutting my interior yet.  just
want a bandaid over the bilge for a while, hopefully a few years.  My boat
was a $3000 w/ trailer special, and da list said i probably overpaid.

I don't keep carpet or anything over the floor, and when i sail, i normally
have the bilge open to keep an eye on the water level.

So far i've checked the centerboard cap, the 3 through hull fittings
(knotmeter, depth gauge, and cockpit drain), and i can't find any water
coming through any of them.

My task this summer is to find the leak.  My first step is going to be to
strip the 3-4 layers of flaking antifouling paint off the gel coat to
inspect the exterior.  There could probably be a cannonball hole through my
hull and i couldn't see it due to the antifouling's myriad of colors.

One of the previous owners had liberally coated the bilge with epoxy, and
that epoxy has cracked with what appears to be loose concrete pieces... so
i plan on inspecting exterior first, before going to a cabin gutting,
because if I end up gutting the cabin, i will just stay gutted since i
don't use it.

>From what I can tell about the compression post, is it's stable.  The deck
hasn't deformed any, and the deck is extremely solid.  In my inspection
this year, i've only found one soft spot on the cockpit floor, about the
size of a coffee can.  I just replaced my forecabin vent, while enlarging
it some, and the wood there was in perfect condition.

One of my biggest problems with water has always been the cockpit drains
clogging, and water overflowing the stern locker.  So once i get a 3d
printer i'm going to print baskets to sit over them.

--
Curtis


On Fri, May 15, 2020 at 3:17 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> First make sure that the stringers are still sound. Also check under the
> compression post to make sure whatever you have there (it varies between
> boars) is sound. Mine wasn't of course. I had to replace everything in my
> boat. I used epoxy coated deck boards for the inside stringers and used
> angel aluminum attached to the outside stringers.
>
> For the floor I used GBS (good both sides) exterior grade plywood that I
> coated with 2+ coats of epoxy followed by exterior grade floor paint. I
> then covered the top with vinyl sheet flooring that was attached to each
> panel with contact cement. Makes a good soft non-skid and easily  cleaned
> surface. I also enlarged the removable panels to increase access to the
> bilge. I should have made them bigger.
>
> I attached the panels to the wooden stringers using screws and finishing
> washers and attached the floor boards to the aluminum angel strips using
> bolts and aluminum inserts .
>
>
> I have attached a few photos.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Friday, May 15, 2020 1:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
>
> My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to
> replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard
> marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.
>
> Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?
>
> --
> Curtis
> s/v Ruck It
> Augusta, GA
>

From Cjlowe at sssnet.com  Fri May 15 18:36:57 2020
From: Cjlowe at sssnet.com (Cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 18:36:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
In-Reply-To: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <65488.24.140.30.102.1589582217.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

Joe,

 Sorry to steal your thread, but it?s the easiest way to get on the site.
I, too , am reworking my galley. The horizontal board that holds up the
whole galley board, deteriorated and leaned towards the center of the
boat. That let the main board drop about two inches , counter top and all
followed. I tore out everything below the counter , added two stringers,
since the bottom board is going back in, in two pieces. Years ago, the
under counter doors and  cooler were removed and I made the center piece
for storage. The  unit just slid in, but with the rebuild, measurement
changed so that I could make it a stressed member. I never made doors for
both sides, so I completed that , too.  Some pictures below.



> The rail on the edge of my galley is white composite plastic. I want to
> replace it with teak pinrail. What seemed to be an easy project turned
> complicated. There are no fasteners visible underneath to remove the
> composite. Can anyone advise me or provide a photo of the counter/rail
> construction?
>
>
>
> -----
> Joe Dempsey
> s/v Respite
> Rhodes 22 1989/2005
> Deltaville,VA
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri May 15 21:05:03 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2020 21:05:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q.ref@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E65338B5-A86D-4620-8CF3-83373BFAB64A@sunnybeeches.com>

When my boat was recycled by General Boats in 2016, a large portion of the cabin interior seems to have been re-done, including, I?m pretty sure, the floor system.  The new stringers were fiberglass, and the floor itself appeared to be off-the-shelf 3/4? pressure treated plywood covered with carpet.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 15, 2020, at 1:44 PM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> My bilge flooring on my '79 has deteriorated quite abit and i need to
> replace it as it's now in about 5 pieces.  It doesn't appear to be standard
> marine plywood, like there was some sort of wax or sealant on it.
> 
> Any idea what it was/is or what I can replace it with?
> 
> --
> Curtis
> s/v Ruck It
> Augusta, GA


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat May 16 08:26:03 2020
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 05:26:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wood flooring
In-Reply-To: <E65338B5-A86D-4620-8CF3-83373BFAB64A@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <CAFgGLFftwiVPrEY+ki9GOU6TrNw26HBARJc+pArXZeG2OvHH3Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <E65338B5-A86D-4620-8CF3-83373BFAB64A@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <1589631963214-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Radiant (ex Opus) came with a varnished traditional teak & holly sole.
Plywood with a t&h veneer would be my guess. Very classy! 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From tvpolise at aol.com  Sat May 16 09:07:33 2020
From: tvpolise at aol.com (Thomas Polise)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 09:07:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
References: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931@aol.com>

I recently bought a refurbished 1992 Rhodes which had a soggy bilge, rotted stringers and moldy plywood.  I removed everything down to hull along with all interior carpeting.   I installed a new floor which is fully accessible with some inexpensive hardwood strips that I got on-line.. I chopped out about 2? of concrete to create a coplaner cabin. see Attached photos. 

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From retro53 at msn.com  Sat May 16 09:48:41 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (Retro53)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 06:48:41 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
In-Reply-To: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931@aol.com>
References: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1589636921361-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi. When I bought my 1980 Rhodes three years ago, the flooring was just
plywood (hopefully marine) covered with a small piece of vinyl in the head
area. Since the floor seemed to be sound but nasty-looking, I cleaned it up
and covered it with vinyl plank flooring strips from my local home
improvement store, and finished the edges with stained wood trim. So far,
it's all held up well. Here's a before and after view.
Good Luck,
John
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/016.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20180731_124100.jpg> 



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From chcarreon at cox.net  Sat May 16 10:19:32 2020
From: chcarreon at cox.net (chuy carreon)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 10:19:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
In-Reply-To: <1589636921361-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931@aol.com>
 <1589636921361-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <426135910.607892.1589638772375@myemail.cox.net>

Hi,
I restored my flooring and stringers three years ago. But have been wondering about the structural integrity of original floor compared to my replacement. The original was one large piece of plywood which was hard to remove in one piece. The original floor had one large continuous segment running across the width of the floor.  I used two smaller pieces to cover the floor running across the width of the floor.  My question is this: Does the original wood running across the width of the floor give more structural strength to the boat than my 2 smaller pieces?
Chuy Carreon
AfterMath 87

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat May 16 22:32:50 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 21:32:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
In-Reply-To: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931@aol.com>
References: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931.ref@aol.com>
 <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiW4ASTRB9fZY2uoahdcizUq4BnKi=Vgg9bTeqCEgR2=8A@mail.gmail.com>

wow that looks beautiful.  Nice work.
Chris G
Enosis









On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 8:07 AM Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I recently bought a refurbished 1992 Rhodes which had a soggy bilge,
> rotted stringers and moldy plywood.  I removed everything down to hull
> along with all interior carpeting.   I installed a new floor which is fully
> accessible with some inexpensive hardwood strips that I got on-line.. I
> chopped out about 2? of concrete to create a coplaner cabin. see Attached
> photos.
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat May 16 22:34:16 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 21:34:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
In-Reply-To: <1589636921361-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931@aol.com>
 <1589636921361-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXHVFkS290ygKXSBULWUF=8_GD4Vk_dTWccGHbv04N0hA@mail.gmail.com>

Another nice floor job!
Chris G
Enosis

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 8:48 AM Retro53 <retro53 at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi. When I bought my 1980 Rhodes three years ago, the flooring was just
> plywood (hopefully marine) covered with a small piece of vinyl in the head
> area. Since the floor seemed to be sound but nasty-looking, I cleaned it up
> and covered it with vinyl plank flooring strips from my local home
> improvement store, and finished the edges with stained wood trim. So far,
> it's all held up well. Here's a before and after view.
> Good Luck,
> John
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/016.jpg>
> <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20180731_124100.jpg>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Mon May 18 08:38:32 2020
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 12:38:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
In-Reply-To: <65488.24.140.30.102.1589582217.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <65488.24.140.30.102.1589582217.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <1695786450.536471.1589805513588@mail.yahoo.com>

I needed drawer space, our back shelf and counter top had rotted under leaking port.
I wade this drawer set and? installed while rebuilding rest.. also put carpet on cabin floor? and pure vinyl stick down strips in head? see pic





-----Original Message-----
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Fri, May 15, 2020 6:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction

Joe,

 Sorry to steal your thread, but it?s the easiest way to get on the site.
I, too , am reworking my galley. The horizontal board that holds up the
whole galley board, deteriorated and leaned towards the center of the
boat. That let the main board drop about two inches , counter top and all
followed. I tore out everything below the counter , added two stringers,
since the bottom board is going back in, in two pieces. Years ago, the
under counter doors and? cooler were removed and I made the center piece
for storage. The? unit just slid in, but with the rebuild, measurement
changed so that I could make it a stressed member. I never made doors for
both sides, so I completed that , too.? Some pictures below.



> The rail on the edge of my galley is white composite plastic. I want to
> replace it with teak pinrail. What seemed to be an easy project turned
> complicated. There are no fasteners visible underneath to remove the
> composite. Can anyone advise me or provide a photo of the counter/rail
> construction?
>
>
>
> -----
> Joe Dempsey
> s/v Respite
> Rhodes 22 1989/2005
> Deltaville,VA
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
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From jose.faraldo at gmail.com  Mon May 18 09:26:49 2020
From: jose.faraldo at gmail.com (jose)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 06:26:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Shroud extenders
In-Reply-To: <1586971681099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1586971681099-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1589808409939-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi all

The suggested 12" end-to-end chain extenders worked great for us. To take
out all the slack from the extended (forward) shrouds before raising the
mast made it much easier too - so thanks everyone!

At the end of it, I was however left with one question: either when raising
or lowering the mast, should one adjust the turnbuckles in the (aft) lower
shrouds that are attached to the winch, so that both shrouds begin under
tension?  

Thanks

Jose



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From cgeisser12345 at gmail.com  Mon May 18 10:16:54 2020
From: cgeisser12345 at gmail.com (Carl Geisser)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 07:16:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
In-Reply-To: <65488.24.140.30.102.1589582217.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <65488.24.140.30.102.1589582217.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <1589811414997-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks for the pics, gives me some ideas, and encouragement knowing I am not
the only one tackling a galley rebuild.

Carl



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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 18 12:03:33 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 16:03:33 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Shroud extenders
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920B41568DAE2C2F936F45E80B80@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Jose,

No, leave the aft lower sidestays connected and adjusted as they would be for sailing.  Likewise, the upper sidestays should be left connected and adjusted as they would be for sailing.  Of course the forward lower sidestays need to be loosened, or you won?t be able to attach them to their chain plates.  That?s one of the nice features of GBI?s mast raising system.  All the stays except the forestay and the forward lower sidestays stay connected and adjusted.  Once the mast is up and forestay connected, the forward lower sidestays will connect easily to their chain plates.  Check the the archives for my rig tuning procedure.  But, if you don?t have a Loo?s Rig Tension gauge and assuming the rest of the rig is properly setup; then, adjust the port and starboard lower sidestays by turning the turnbuckles an equal number of turns until the shroud is as ?twangy? as the aft lower sidestays.  Note that you need a small wrench and a tool like an ice pick to adjust the turnbuckles.  Use the wrench to keep the stainless steel wire from turning.  Stick the ice pick into the hole in the turnbuckle barrel to be able to turn it W/O damaging it.  Needless to say, the lock nuts on the turnbuckles need to be backed off before they can be adjusted.  Good luck!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2020, at 9:26 AM, jose <jose.faraldo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi all
> 
> The suggested 12" end-to-end chain extenders worked great for us. To take
> out all the slack from the extended (forward) shrouds before raising the
> mast made it much easier too - so thanks everyone!
> 
> At the end of it, I was however left with one question: either when raising
> or lowering the mast, should one adjust the turnbuckles in the (aft) lower
> shrouds that are attached to the winch, so that both shrouds begin under
> tension?  
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jose
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon May 18 15:53:48 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 15:53:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
In-Reply-To: <1695786450.536471.1589805513588@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <65488.24.140.30.102.1589582217.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
 <1695786450.536471.1589805513588@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <99F55066-849B-4D20-9E25-52D50FDA5F25@sunnybeeches.com>

Mark,

That?s some nice looking cabinetry work.  Drawers do make it easier to keep things organized.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 18, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> I needed drawer space, our back shelf and counter top had rotted under leaking port.
> I wade this drawer set and  installed while rebuilding rest.. also put carpet on cabin floor  and pure vinyl stick down strips in head  see pic
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Fri, May 15, 2020 6:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
> 
> Joe,
> 
> Sorry to steal your thread, but it?s the easiest way to get on the site.
> I, too , am reworking my galley. The horizontal board that holds up the
> whole galley board, deteriorated and leaned towards the center of the
> boat. That let the main board drop about two inches , counter top and all
> followed. I tore out everything below the counter , added two stringers,
> since the bottom board is going back in, in two pieces. Years ago, the
> under counter doors and  cooler were removed and I made the center piece
> for storage. The  unit just slid in, but with the rebuild, measurement
> changed so that I could make it a stressed member. I never made doors for
> both sides, so I completed that , too.  Some pictures below.
> 
> 
> 
>> The rail on the edge of my galley is white composite plastic. I want to
>> replace it with teak pinrail. What seemed to be an easy project turned
>> complicated. There are no fasteners visible underneath to remove the
>> composite. Can anyone advise me or provide a photo of the counter/rail
>> construction?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Joe Dempsey
>> s/v Respite
>> Rhodes 22 1989/2005
>> Deltaville,VA
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 
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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Mon May 18 16:02:53 2020
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 20:02:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
In-Reply-To: <99F55066-849B-4D20-9E25-52D50FDA5F25@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <65488.24.140.30.102.1589582217.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
 <1695786450.536471.1589805513588@mail.yahoo.com>
 <99F55066-849B-4D20-9E25-52D50FDA5F25@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <951262119.747770.1589832173693@mail.yahoo.com>

left over oak flooring? the notch Is to unlatch? Coleman ice box each drawer has catches wont slide out


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Mon, May 18, 2020 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction

Mark,

That?s some nice looking cabinetry work.? Drawers do make it easier to keep things organized.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 18, 2020, at 8:38 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> I needed drawer space, our back shelf and counter top had rotted under leaking port.
> I wade this drawer set and? installed while rebuilding rest.. also put carpet on cabin floor? and pure vinyl stick down strips in head? see pic
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Fri, May 15, 2020 6:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
> 
> Joe,
> 
> Sorry to steal your thread, but it?s the easiest way to get on the site.
> I, too , am reworking my galley. The horizontal board that holds up the
> whole galley board, deteriorated and leaned towards the center of the
> boat. That let the main board drop about two inches , counter top and all
> followed. I tore out everything below the counter , added two stringers,
> since the bottom board is going back in, in two pieces. Years ago, the
> under counter doors and? cooler were removed and I made the center piece
> for storage. The? unit just slid in, but with the rebuild, measurement
> changed so that I could make it a stressed member. I never made doors for
> both sides, so I completed that , too.? Some pictures below.
> 
> 
> 
>> The rail on the edge of my galley is white composite plastic. I want to
>> replace it with teak pinrail. What seemed to be an easy project turned
>> complicated. There are no fasteners visible underneath to remove the
>> composite. Can anyone advise me or provide a photo of the counter/rail
>> construction?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----
>> Joe Dempsey
>> s/v Respite
>> Rhodes 22 1989/2005
>> Deltaville,VA
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 
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From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Mon May 18 21:44:54 2020
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 21:44:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
In-Reply-To: <1695786450.536471.1589805513588@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <65488.24.140.30.102.1589582217.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
 <1695786450.536471.1589805513588@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <54631.24.140.30.102.1589852694.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

Beautiful work, Mark.

Jerry Lowe




 I needed drawer space, our back shelf and counter top had rotted under
> leaking port.
> I wade this drawer set and?? installed while rebuilding rest.. also put
> carpet on cabin floor?? and pure vinyl stick down strips in head?? see pic
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Fri, May 15, 2020 6:36 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
>
> Joe,
>
>  Sorry to steal your thread, but it???s the easiest way to get on the
> site.
> I, too , am reworking my galley. The horizontal board that holds up the
> whole galley board, deteriorated and leaned towards the center of the
> boat. That let the main board drop about two inches , counter top and all
> followed. I tore out everything below the counter , added two stringers,
> since the bottom board is going back in, in two pieces. Years ago, the
> under counter doors and?? cooler were removed and I made the center piece
> for storage. The?? unit just slid in, but with the rebuild, measurement
> changed so that I could make it a stressed member. I never made doors for
> both sides, so I completed that , too.?? Some pictures below.
>
>
>
>> The rail on the edge of my galley is white composite plastic. I want to
>> replace it with teak pinrail. What seemed to be an easy project turned
>> complicated. There are no fasteners visible underneath to remove the
>> composite. Can anyone advise me or provide a photo of the counter/rail
>> construction?
>>
>>
>>
>> -----
>> Joe Dempsey
>> s/v Respite
>> Rhodes 22 1989/2005
>> Deltaville,VA
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>
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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Mon May 18 23:55:39 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 03:55:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hi from an owner of 2 Rhodes 22's: 2014 and 1986
References: <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi,
I found this email list on Stan's site.? I'm Larry, I have a 2014 Rhodes 22 which Stan's group built for me and delivered to Lake George in upstate NY - I've been sailing there each summer since.
I've seen 2 other Rhodes 22's on the lake - a red one moored in Harris Bay, I think Stan had introduced us by email and we've yelled hi a few times as we passed each other by, and another one, possibly blue, may be located around Diamond Point or just north of it.? I sailed by it once and the owner was looking down concentrating on something so didn't see me but I think his crew member realized that another Rhodes was passing by.
In March of this year I bought a used 1986 Rhodes here in Tampa Bay - the boat had been donated to the Sea Scouts (nautical division of the Boy Scouts) in St. Petersburg by the wife of the previous (possibly original? not sure) owner who had passed away.? They had cleaned it up and fixed some items and put it on Craigslist where I was surprised to see it.? I think it was the only Rhodes 22 on Craigslist in the Southeast.
Both boats are great!? Hope this list is still active,
Larry

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue May 19 07:59:33 2020
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 07:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hi from an owner of 2 Rhodes 22's: 2014 and 1986
In-Reply-To: <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMCOiDQhGFMYdD0WAPT5-7TXeutUVxZFfzVrXYroHXCaXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Larry and welcome to "da list"!

We're very active here so you won't have any trouble getting hold of a lot
of Rhodies.  I'm actually a former rhodie as I no longer have a boat.  I
did manage to go along with Chris G. on a sail a couple of years ago when
his boat was in the Chesapeake before he took it to Greece.

Cheers!

Hank

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:55 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> I found this email list on Stan's site.  I'm Larry, I have a 2014 Rhodes
> 22 which Stan's group built for me and delivered to Lake George in upstate
> NY - I've been sailing there each summer since.
> I've seen 2 other Rhodes 22's on the lake - a red one moored in Harris
> Bay, I think Stan had introduced us by email and we've yelled hi a few
> times as we passed each other by, and another one, possibly blue, may be
> located around Diamond Point or just north of it.  I sailed by it once and
> the owner was looking down concentrating on something so didn't see me but
> I think his crew member realized that another Rhodes was passing by.
> In March of this year I bought a used 1986 Rhodes here in Tampa Bay - the
> boat had been donated to the Sea Scouts (nautical division of the Boy
> Scouts) in St. Petersburg by the wife of the previous (possibly original?
> not sure) owner who had passed away.  They had cleaned it up and fixed some
> items and put it on Craigslist where I was surprised to see it.  I think it
> was the only Rhodes 22 on Craigslist in the Southeast.
> Both boats are great!  Hope this list is still active,
> Larry
>

From jose.faraldo at gmail.com  Tue May 19 08:51:42 2020
From: jose.faraldo at gmail.com (jose)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 05:51:42 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rub rail upkeep
Message-ID: <1589892702999-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi all, 

I'd appreciate some pointers regarding cleaning/upkeep of the rub rails. It
seems that mine are vinyl (possibly from Taco marine, as per an earlier post
by Graham), in red. Any favorite products?

Thanks!

Jose



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue May 19 09:13:33 2020
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:13:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hi from an owner of 2 Rhodes 22's: 2014 and 1986
In-Reply-To: <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjfbTtm4Vz+mP3KzoQ+XHzWOxcYvSNjiPTnSHR6Nb0D3rg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes the list is still active but no longer political. Only boat issues are
discussed. Rummy died a couple years ago & we lost some heart & humor but
the list is still very helpful to new & veteran owners.

Fair Winds & Stay Well,

Stephen Staum
s/v Carol Lee 2
Needham, MA

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:55 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> I found this email list on Stan's site.  I'm Larry, I have a 2014 Rhodes
> 22 which Stan's group built for me and delivered to Lake George in upstate
> NY - I've been sailing there each summer since.
> I've seen 2 other Rhodes 22's on the lake - a red one moored in Harris
> Bay, I think Stan had introduced us by email and we've yelled hi a few
> times as we passed each other by, and another one, possibly blue, may be
> located around Diamond Point or just north of it.  I sailed by it once and
> the owner was looking down concentrating on something so didn't see me but
> I think his crew member realized that another Rhodes was passing by.
> In March of this year I bought a used 1986 Rhodes here in Tampa Bay - the
> boat had been donated to the Sea Scouts (nautical division of the Boy
> Scouts) in St. Petersburg by the wife of the previous (possibly original?
> not sure) owner who had passed away.  They had cleaned it up and fixed some
> items and put it on Craigslist where I was surprised to see it.  I think it
> was the only Rhodes 22 on Craigslist in the Southeast.
> Both boats are great!  Hope this list is still active,
> Larry
>
-- 
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Tue May 19 09:19:10 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:19:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hi from an owner of 2 Rhodes 22's: 2014 and 1986
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMCOiDQhGFMYdD0WAPT5-7TXeutUVxZFfzVrXYroHXCaXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADQNfMCOiDQhGFMYdD0WAPT5-7TXeutUVxZFfzVrXYroHXCaXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9283CAD0-6649-4DE5-BB7D-03A0763D2D5F@yahoo.com>

Thanks Hank! A Rhodes was taken to Greece? Wow! Unless it was Greece NY (near Rochester). 

I have a question but I?ll separately post it. 

Larry

> On May 19, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Larry and welcome to "da list"!
> 
> We're very active here so you won't have any trouble getting hold of a lot of Rhodies.  I'm actually a former rhodie as I no longer have a boat.  I did manage to go along with Chris G. on a sail a couple of years ago when his boat was in the Chesapeake before he took it to Greece.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Hank
> 
>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:55 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I found this email list on Stan's site.  I'm Larry, I have a 2014 Rhodes 22 which Stan's group built for me and delivered to Lake George in upstate NY - I've been sailing there each summer since.
>> I've seen 2 other Rhodes 22's on the lake - a red one moored in Harris Bay, I think Stan had introduced us by email and we've yelled hi a few times as we passed each other by, and another one, possibly blue, may be located around Diamond Point or just north of it.  I sailed by it once and the owner was looking down concentrating on something so didn't see me but I think his crew member realized that another Rhodes was passing by.
>> In March of this year I bought a used 1986 Rhodes here in Tampa Bay - the boat had been donated to the Sea Scouts (nautical division of the Boy Scouts) in St. Petersburg by the wife of the previous (possibly original? not sure) owner who had passed away.  They had cleaned it up and fixed some items and put it on Craigslist where I was surprised to see it.  I think it was the only Rhodes 22 on Craigslist in the Southeast.
>> Both boats are great!  Hope this list is still active,
>> Larry

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Tue May 19 09:19:10 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:19:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hi from an owner of 2 Rhodes 22's: 2014 and 1986
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMCOiDQhGFMYdD0WAPT5-7TXeutUVxZFfzVrXYroHXCaXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADQNfMCOiDQhGFMYdD0WAPT5-7TXeutUVxZFfzVrXYroHXCaXQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9283CAD0-6649-4DE5-BB7D-03A0763D2D5F@yahoo.com>

Thanks Hank! A Rhodes was taken to Greece? Wow! Unless it was Greece NY (near Rochester). 

I have a question but I?ll separately post it. 

Larry

> On May 19, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Larry and welcome to "da list"!
> 
> We're very active here so you won't have any trouble getting hold of a lot of Rhodies.  I'm actually a former rhodie as I no longer have a boat.  I did manage to go along with Chris G. on a sail a couple of years ago when his boat was in the Chesapeake before he took it to Greece.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Hank
> 
>> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:55 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I found this email list on Stan's site.  I'm Larry, I have a 2014 Rhodes 22 which Stan's group built for me and delivered to Lake George in upstate NY - I've been sailing there each summer since.
>> I've seen 2 other Rhodes 22's on the lake - a red one moored in Harris Bay, I think Stan had introduced us by email and we've yelled hi a few times as we passed each other by, and another one, possibly blue, may be located around Diamond Point or just north of it.  I sailed by it once and the owner was looking down concentrating on something so didn't see me but I think his crew member realized that another Rhodes was passing by.
>> In March of this year I bought a used 1986 Rhodes here in Tampa Bay - the boat had been donated to the Sea Scouts (nautical division of the Boy Scouts) in St. Petersburg by the wife of the previous (possibly original? not sure) owner who had passed away.  They had cleaned it up and fixed some items and put it on Craigslist where I was surprised to see it.  I think it was the only Rhodes 22 on Craigslist in the Southeast.
>> Both boats are great!  Hope this list is still active,
>> Larry

From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue May 19 09:21:21 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 13:21:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hi from an owner of 2 Rhodes 22's: 2014 and 1986
In-Reply-To: <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <1362522123.1291743.1589860539619@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB6941886785C545129CA0154EC1B90@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Larry,
We're still pretty active and we're glad you found us.  Welcome! Hopefully some of the Rhodes owners you saw will chime in. - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2020 11:55 PM
To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hi from an owner of 2 Rhodes 22's: 2014 and 1986

Hi,
I found this email list on Stan's site.  I'm Larry, I have a 2014 Rhodes 22 which Stan's group built for me and delivered to Lake George in upstate NY - I've been sailing there each summer since.
I've seen 2 other Rhodes 22's on the lake - a red one moored in Harris Bay, I think Stan had introduced us by email and we've yelled hi a few times as we passed each other by, and another one, possibly blue, may be located around Diamond Point or just north of it.  I sailed by it once and the owner was looking down concentrating on something so didn't see me but I think his crew member realized that another Rhodes was passing by.
In March of this year I bought a used 1986 Rhodes here in Tampa Bay - the boat had been donated to the Sea Scouts (nautical division of the Boy Scouts) in St. Petersburg by the wife of the previous (possibly original? not sure) owner who had passed away.  They had cleaned it up and fixed some items and put it on Craigslist where I was surprised to see it.  I think it was the only Rhodes 22 on Craigslist in the Southeast.
Both boats are great!  Hope this list is still active,
Larry

From ignats at comcast.net  Tue May 19 09:27:20 2020
From: ignats at comcast.net (Don Colanero)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 06:27:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New owner, new sailor.
Message-ID: <1589894840430-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi, everyone, Don here.  I thought I had thoroughly researched which 22 to be
my first sailboat until I met Stan at last year's Annapolis boat show. He
ruined everything. I now own a 1984 Rhodes 22 that was recycled in 2011, am
enjoying the forum, still learning and prepping "Dragonfly", and totally
excited to be getting it wet soon. Love this boat.

I just decided to replace the red rub rail as it has faded to pink.  My wife
hates pink. Am pretty sure it is a Taco, 1 1/4 high, 1/2 inch deep, maybe
V12-4144 ish.  The nice lady at Taco was amused since they haven't produced
red in many years.  The last post that I found on this issue was about 4
years ago. Would it be possible that GB still has some in stock?  (see below
for pic)

Wishing everyone good health and a great sailing year,

Don Colanero <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t936/rail_2.jpg> 



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue May 19 09:38:08 2020
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 13:38:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New owner, new sailor.
In-Reply-To: <1589894840430-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589894840430-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1375556967.995971.1589895488303@mail.yahoo.com>

Welcome to sightDon Stan might have some I have seen some at plant before? don't know if still available. I forwarded your interest to Stan??
Mark West?? Fairwinds II Hertford NC

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Colanero <ignats at comcast.net>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Tue, May 19, 2020 9:27 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New owner, new sailor.

Hi, everyone, Don here.? I thought I had thoroughly researched which 22 to be
my first sailboat until I met Stan at last year's Annapolis boat show. He
ruined everything. I now own a 1984 Rhodes 22 that was recycled in 2011, am
enjoying the forum, still learning and prepping "Dragonfly", and totally
excited to be getting it wet soon. Love this boat.

I just decided to replace the red rub rail as it has faded to pink.? My wife
hates pink. Am pretty sure it is a Taco, 1 1/4 high, 1/2 inch deep, maybe
V12-4144 ish.? The nice lady at Taco was amused since they haven't produced
red in many years.? The last post that I found on this issue was about 4
years ago. Would it be possible that GB still has some in stock?? (see below
for pic)

Wishing everyone good health and a great sailing year,

Don Colanero <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t936/rail_2.jpg> 



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From melrothbard at yahoo.com  Tue May 19 09:52:23 2020
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 13:52:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New owner, new sailor.
In-Reply-To: <1589894840430-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589894840430-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <729644833.1450016.1589896343216@mail.yahoo.com>

Stan replaced my red rub rail during a refit in 2019.
Mel
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    On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 09:27:29 AM EDT, Don Colanero <ignats at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
 Hi, everyone, Don here.? I thought I had thoroughly researched which 22 to be
my first sailboat until I met Stan at last year's Annapolis boat show. He
ruined everything. I now own a 1984 Rhodes 22 that was recycled in 2011, am
enjoying the forum, still learning and prepping "Dragonfly", and totally
excited to be getting it wet soon. Love this boat.

I just decided to replace the red rub rail as it has faded to pink.? My wife
hates pink. Am pretty sure it is a Taco, 1 1/4 high, 1/2 inch deep, maybe
V12-4144 ish.? The nice lady at Taco was amused since they haven't produced
red in many years.? The last post that I found on this issue was about 4
years ago. Would it be possible that GB still has some in stock?? (see below
for pic)

Wishing everyone good health and a great sailing year,

Don Colanero <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t936/rail_2.jpg> 



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
  

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue May 19 11:38:21 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:38:21 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rub rail upkeep
In-Reply-To: <1589892702999-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589892702999-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3frNXSUO_tx3YW5=Y02ZgaRvm+52xvPtr09FV0Q-Vant_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jose, I have a white rub rail that was quite dirty until I gave it a
good scrubbing with acetone and now it looks looks great.

On Tue, May 19, 2020, 7:51 AM jose <jose.faraldo at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'd appreciate some pointers regarding cleaning/upkeep of the rub rails. It
> seems that mine are vinyl (possibly from Taco marine, as per an earlier
> post
> by Graham), in red. Any favorite products?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jose
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue May 19 11:44:36 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:44:36 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hi from an owner of 2 Rhodes 22's: 2014 and 1986
In-Reply-To: <9283CAD0-6649-4DE5-BB7D-03A0763D2D5F@yahoo.com>
References: <CADQNfMCOiDQhGFMYdD0WAPT5-7TXeutUVxZFfzVrXYroHXCaXQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <9283CAD0-6649-4DE5-BB7D-03A0763D2D5F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fr3RdHtbU-x+aj-=jNpest0uiPwpJ43XLtKTiz1FmvswQ@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome to the list!  Since you're curious about the Rhodes in Greece, you
should take check out the entertaining travelogues of Enosis by Chris G. at
the link below.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1MwBCNBuD6SyHGITM0NMxlKYvf68Nv8Lk

On Tue, May 19, 2020, 8:19 AM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Thanks Hank! A Rhodes was taken to Greece? Wow! Unless it was Greece NY
> (near Rochester).
>
> I have a question but I?ll separately post it.
>
> Larry
>
> > On May 19, 2020, at 7:59 AM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Hi Larry and welcome to "da list"!
> >
> > We're very active here so you won't have any trouble getting hold of a
> lot of Rhodies.  I'm actually a former rhodie as I no longer have a boat.
> I did manage to go along with Chris G. on a sail a couple of years ago when
> his boat was in the Chesapeake before he took it to Greece.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Hank
> >
> >> On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 11:55 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> I found this email list on Stan's site.  I'm Larry, I have a 2014
> Rhodes 22 which Stan's group built for me and delivered to Lake George in
> upstate NY - I've been sailing there each summer since.
> >> I've seen 2 other Rhodes 22's on the lake - a red one moored in Harris
> Bay, I think Stan had introduced us by email and we've yelled hi a few
> times as we passed each other by, and another one, possibly blue, may be
> located around Diamond Point or just north of it.  I sailed by it once and
> the owner was looking down concentrating on something so didn't see me but
> I think his crew member realized that another Rhodes was passing by.
> >> In March of this year I bought a used 1986 Rhodes here in Tampa Bay -
> the boat had been donated to the Sea Scouts (nautical division of the Boy
> Scouts) in St. Petersburg by the wife of the previous (possibly original?
> not sure) owner who had passed away.  They had cleaned it up and fixed some
> items and put it on Craigslist where I was surprised to see it.  I think it
> was the only Rhodes 22 on Craigslist in the Southeast.
> >> Both boats are great!  Hope this list is still active,
> >> Larry
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue May 19 11:49:59 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 09:49:59 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
In-Reply-To: <54631.24.140.30.102.1589852694.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <1589556891740-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <65488.24.140.30.102.1589582217.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
 <1695786450.536471.1589805513588@mail.yahoo.com>
 <54631.24.140.30.102.1589852694.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqG9GPDvikOPcWJuYaK0nZT6Eio32-Oyu0XKo06GX4-uQ@mail.gmail.com>

All these great galley overhauls and the new cabin soles are giving me too
many ideas for future projects.  There are some talented woodworkers on
this list.

On Mon, May 18, 2020, 8:44 PM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:

> Beautiful work, Mark.
>
> Jerry Lowe
>
>
>
>
>  I needed drawer space, our back shelf and counter top had rotted under
> > leaking port.
> > I wade this drawer set and  installed while rebuilding rest.. also put
> > carpet on cabin floor  and pure vinyl stick down strips in head  see pic
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Fri, May 15, 2020 6:36 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Galley Counter Construction
> >
> > Joe,
> >
> >  Sorry to steal your thread, but it?s the easiest way to get on the
> > site.
> > I, too , am reworking my galley. The horizontal board that holds up the
> > whole galley board, deteriorated and leaned towards the center of the
> > boat. That let the main board drop about two inches , counter top and all
> > followed. I tore out everything below the counter , added two stringers,
> > since the bottom board is going back in, in two pieces. Years ago, the
> > under counter doors and  cooler were removed and I made the center piece
> > for storage. The  unit just slid in, but with the rebuild, measurement
> > changed so that I could make it a stressed member. I never made doors for
> > both sides, so I completed that , too.  Some pictures below.
> >
> >
> >
> >> The rail on the edge of my galley is white composite plastic. I want to
> >> replace it with teak pinrail. What seemed to be an easy project turned
> >> complicated. There are no fasteners visible underneath to remove the
> >> composite. Can anyone advise me or provide a photo of the counter/rail
> >> construction?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----
> >> Joe Dempsey
> >> s/v Respite
> >> Rhodes 22 1989/2005
> >> Deltaville,VA
> >> --
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From sprocket80 at mail.com  Tue May 19 14:06:31 2020
From: sprocket80 at mail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:06:31 +0200
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hi from an owner of 2 Rhodes 22's: 2014 and 1986
Message-ID: <trinity-6988965e-da32-44a4-855f-35455e9bdee7-1589911591764@msvc-mesg-gmxus010>


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue May 19 14:37:01 2020
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 14:37:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hi from an owner of 2 Rhodes 22's: 2014 and 1986
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tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Tue, May 19, 2020, 2:06 PM Todd Tavares <sprocket80 at mail.com> wrote:

>

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Tue May 19 16:56:32 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 20:56:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thanks for the welcome - Replacing the IMF control
 line on an '86 - Short bio
References: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks to everyone for being so welcoming - seems like a great group.
The Sea Scouts that I bought my '86 R22 from replaced the control line on the inner-furling mast assembly with a line that's too thick (gets caught up in the mechanism as it gets to the 2nd winding) and too short (too short to thread through the boom as it should).? Does anyone have experience with replacing it?? I'm referring to the line that wraps around the bottom of the mast, you pull on it to furl the mainsail in.? I'm hoping not to have to take down the mast to do it since the boat is in the water at a dock.? it looks like it goes through a hole in the mast near the bottom with a stopper knot to hold it.
Short bio:? Merchant Marine to Wall Street IT.? I'm a '79 Marine Engineering grad from SUNY Maritime College in the Bronx - sailed with Exxon on oil tankers for 5 years that went East Coast, Gulf Coast, Panama Canal, California, Alaska.? Went to Columbia for an MBA, and worked in Wall St. Technology.? The firm I worked for got bought so I now run a small company with a half-dozen people that provides mortgage-bond data to investment firms, but my real fun is volunteering on the American Victory, a 1944 Victory ship in Tampa.?http://www.americanvictory.org? ?You'll find me in the engine room there at times - that's my favorite place.? I'm not a racing type sailor, more of a lazy afternoon sailor.? Not political, I prefer watching Hallmark movies.
Thanks!
Larry

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue May 19 17:34:16 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 17:34:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thanks for the welcome - Replacing the IMF
 control line on an '86 - Short bio
In-Reply-To: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <89405E75-EB3A-4666-86B9-19528AF60FE7@sunnybeeches.com>

Larry,

I?ve got good news, and bad news.  The bad news is that I don?t think there?s any way to replace that line with the mast up.  The good news is that I?ve made a YouTube video that shows how to do it.  The following link should take you there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7hYJnoNpM <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7hYJnoNpM>

Best of Luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 19, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone for being so welcoming - seems like a great group.
> The Sea Scouts that I bought my '86 R22 from replaced the control line on the inner-furling mast assembly with a line that's too thick (gets caught up in the mechanism as it gets to the 2nd winding) and too short (too short to thread through the boom as it should).  Does anyone have experience with replacing it?  I'm referring to the line that wraps around the bottom of the mast, you pull on it to furl the mainsail in.  I'm hoping not to have to take down the mast to do it since the boat is in the water at a dock.  it looks like it goes through a hole in the mast near the bottom with a stopper knot to hold it.
> Short bio:  Merchant Marine to Wall Street IT.  I'm a '79 Marine Engineering grad from SUNY Maritime College in the Bronx - sailed with Exxon on oil tankers for 5 years that went East Coast, Gulf Coast, Panama Canal, California, Alaska.  Went to Columbia for an MBA, and worked in Wall St. Technology.  The firm I worked for got bought so I now run a small company with a half-dozen people that provides mortgage-bond data to investment firms, but my real fun is volunteering on the American Victory, a 1944 Victory ship in Tampa. http://www.americanvictory.org   You'll find me in the engine room there at times - that's my favorite place.  I'm not a racing type sailor, more of a lazy afternoon sailor.  Not political, I prefer watching Hallmark movies.
> Thanks!
> Larry


From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Tue May 19 19:10:08 2020
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 23:10:08 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thanks for the welcome - Replacing the IMF
 control line on an '86 - Short bio
In-Reply-To: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB5438D8DAEAB2E8A219CAC679D9B90@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Larry
I?m afraid your are going to have to drop the mast. It can be done on the water, the only down side is not really knowing what made that ?plunk? sound until it?s too late 

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman
98 R 22
s/v Daydreams 

> On May 19, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks to everyone for being so welcoming - seems like a great group.
> The Sea Scouts that I bought my '86 R22 from replaced the control line on the inner-furling mast assembly with a line that's too thick (gets caught up in the mechanism as it gets to the 2nd winding) and too short (too short to thread through the boom as it should).  Does anyone have experience with replacing it?  I'm referring to the line that wraps around the bottom of the mast, you pull on it to furl the mainsail in.  I'm hoping not to have to take down the mast to do it since the boat is in the water at a dock.  it looks like it goes through a hole in the mast near the bottom with a stopper knot to hold it.
> Short bio:  Merchant Marine to Wall Street IT.  I'm a '79 Marine Engineering grad from SUNY Maritime College in the Bronx - sailed with Exxon on oil tankers for 5 years that went East Coast, Gulf Coast, Panama Canal, California, Alaska.  Went to Columbia for an MBA, and worked in Wall St. Technology.  The firm I worked for got bought so I now run a small company with a half-dozen people that provides mortgage-bond data to investment firms, but my real fun is volunteering on the American Victory, a 1944 Victory ship in Tampa. http://www.americanvictory.org   You'll find me in the engine room there at times - that's my favorite place.  I'm not a racing type sailor, more of a lazy afternoon sailor.  Not political, I prefer watching Hallmark movies.
> Thanks!
> Larry

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Tue May 19 20:01:16 2020
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 00:01:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thanks for the welcome - Replacing the IMF
 control line on an '86 - Short bio
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR04MB5438D8DAEAB2E8A219CAC679D9B90@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>
 <SN6PR04MB5438D8DAEAB2E8A219CAC679D9B90@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <887180444.1259440.1589932876352@mail.yahoo.com>

The sage advice in the replies you have is priceless, and entirely correct.? You need the sail "tube" extended below the mast base to see and thread thru the hole, which I am sure you are seeing.? In any case smart to get confirmation from fleet experience.? Now be sure to listen for that plunk......
Best,Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:10 PM, Charles Nieman<blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:   Larry
I?m afraid your are going to have to drop the mast. It can be done on the water, the only down side is not really knowing what made that ?plunk? sound until it?s too late 

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman
98 R 22
s/v Daydreams 

> On May 19, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks to everyone for being so welcoming - seems like a great group.
> The Sea Scouts that I bought my '86 R22 from replaced the control line on the inner-furling mast assembly with a line that's too thick (gets caught up in the mechanism as it gets to the 2nd winding) and too short (too short to thread through the boom as it should).? Does anyone have experience with replacing it?? I'm referring to the line that wraps around the bottom of the mast, you pull on it to furl the mainsail in.? I'm hoping not to have to take down the mast to do it since the boat is in the water at a dock.? it looks like it goes through a hole in the mast near the bottom with a stopper knot to hold it.
> Short bio:? Merchant Marine to Wall Street IT.? I'm a '79 Marine Engineering grad from SUNY Maritime College in the Bronx - sailed with Exxon on oil tankers for 5 years that went East Coast, Gulf Coast, Panama Canal, California, Alaska.? Went to Columbia for an MBA, and worked in Wall St. Technology.? The firm I worked for got bought so I now run a small company with a half-dozen people that provides mortgage-bond data to investment firms, but my real fun is volunteering on the American Victory, a 1944 Victory ship in Tampa. http://www.americanvictory.org ? You'll find me in the engine room there at times - that's my favorite place.? I'm not a racing type sailor, more of a lazy afternoon sailor.? Not political, I prefer watching Hallmark movies.
> Thanks!
> Larry
  

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Tue May 19 20:01:16 2020
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 00:01:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thanks for the welcome - Replacing the IMF
 control line on an '86 - Short bio
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR04MB5438D8DAEAB2E8A219CAC679D9B90@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
References: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>
 <SN6PR04MB5438D8DAEAB2E8A219CAC679D9B90@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <887180444.1259440.1589932876352@mail.yahoo.com>

The sage advice in the replies you have is priceless, and entirely correct.? You need the sail "tube" extended below the mast base to see and thread thru the hole, which I am sure you are seeing.? In any case smart to get confirmation from fleet experience.? Now be sure to listen for that plunk......
Best,Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 7:10 PM, Charles Nieman<blue66corvette at hotmail.com> wrote:   Larry
I?m afraid your are going to have to drop the mast. It can be done on the water, the only down side is not really knowing what made that ?plunk? sound until it?s too late 

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman
98 R 22
s/v Daydreams 

> On May 19, 2020, at 3:57 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks to everyone for being so welcoming - seems like a great group.
> The Sea Scouts that I bought my '86 R22 from replaced the control line on the inner-furling mast assembly with a line that's too thick (gets caught up in the mechanism as it gets to the 2nd winding) and too short (too short to thread through the boom as it should).? Does anyone have experience with replacing it?? I'm referring to the line that wraps around the bottom of the mast, you pull on it to furl the mainsail in.? I'm hoping not to have to take down the mast to do it since the boat is in the water at a dock.? it looks like it goes through a hole in the mast near the bottom with a stopper knot to hold it.
> Short bio:? Merchant Marine to Wall Street IT.? I'm a '79 Marine Engineering grad from SUNY Maritime College in the Bronx - sailed with Exxon on oil tankers for 5 years that went East Coast, Gulf Coast, Panama Canal, California, Alaska.? Went to Columbia for an MBA, and worked in Wall St. Technology.? The firm I worked for got bought so I now run a small company with a half-dozen people that provides mortgage-bond data to investment firms, but my real fun is volunteering on the American Victory, a 1944 Victory ship in Tampa. http://www.americanvictory.org ? You'll find me in the engine room there at times - that's my favorite place.? I'm not a racing type sailor, more of a lazy afternoon sailor.? Not political, I prefer watching Hallmark movies.
> Thanks!
> Larry
  

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Tue May 19 21:08:01 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 01:08:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thanks for the welcome - Replacing the IMF
 control line on an '86 - Short bio
In-Reply-To: <89405E75-EB3A-4666-86B9-19528AF60FE7@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>
 <89405E75-EB3A-4666-86B9-19528AF60FE7@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <691246223.1867571.1589936881497@mail.yahoo.com>

 Peter, Charles, thank you!? I was shocked that Peter had made a youtube video of it. That was so helpful!? And I definitely don't need any kerplunks!? Peter, Silverheels looks exactly like my 2014 R22: color scheme, mast fittings, everything. I thought I saw the stopper knot on my '86 but maybe I didn't - I have a tendency to look for a minute then go sailing. So it will be a project saved for the next time I drop the mast.
The '86 has a 6hp Suzuki 4-stroke on it, I think about a 2006 - great motor so far, though I've had the boat for less than 2 months.? I have a 3.5hp Mercury 4-stroke on my 2014, it's fine for coming back in when the wind dies down on the lake, but the 6 moves the boat better.? I was using a 55lb thrust electric trolling motor while the Mercury was being repaired - now that was underpowered!? ?But kinda worked.? Not to open a can of worms, but what size motors do you find work best?? I saw a 5hp propane-powered motor advertised a few months back.
Larry
    On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 05:35:11 PM EDT, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:  
 
 Larry,

I?ve got good news, and bad news.? The bad news is that I don?t think there?s any way to replace that line with the mast up.? The good news is that I?ve made a YouTube video that shows how to do it.? The following link should take you there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7hYJnoNpM <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH7hYJnoNpM>

Best of Luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 19, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks to everyone for being so welcoming - seems like a great group.
> The Sea Scouts that I bought my '86 R22 from replaced the control line on the inner-furling mast assembly with a line that's too thick (gets caught up in the mechanism as it gets to the 2nd winding) and too short (too short to thread through the boom as it should).? Does anyone have experience with replacing it?? I'm referring to the line that wraps around the bottom of the mast, you pull on it to furl the mainsail in.? I'm hoping not to have to take down the mast to do it since the boat is in the water at a dock.? it looks like it goes through a hole in the mast near the bottom with a stopper knot to hold it.
> Short bio:? Merchant Marine to Wall Street IT.? I'm a '79 Marine Engineering grad from SUNY Maritime College in the Bronx - sailed with Exxon on oil tankers for 5 years that went East Coast, Gulf Coast, Panama Canal, California, Alaska.? Went to Columbia for an MBA, and worked in Wall St. Technology.? The firm I worked for got bought so I now run a small company with a half-dozen people that provides mortgage-bond data to investment firms, but my real fun is volunteering on the American Victory, a 1944 Victory ship in Tampa. http://www.americanvictory.org ? You'll find me in the engine room there at times - that's my favorite place.? I'm not a racing type sailor, more of a lazy afternoon sailor.? Not political, I prefer watching Hallmark movies.
> Thanks!
> Larry
  

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue May 19 22:22:56 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 22:22:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Size
In-Reply-To: <691246223.1867571.1589936881497@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>
 <89405E75-EB3A-4666-86B9-19528AF60FE7@sunnybeeches.com>
 <691246223.1867571.1589936881497@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <39A6D293-4769-426C-86A4-414943194E40@sunnybeeches.com>

Larry,

Motor size depends on what kind of sailing you?re doing.  I do coastal sailing where I often have to fight strong tidal currents of up to 3 to 4 knots in places like harbor channels. For these conditions, I think my 8 HP motor is about the minimum that?s up to the task.  If you sail someplace without tides, I think you could get by with less power.

?Peter

> On May 19, 2020, at 9:08 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Peter, Charles, thank you!  I was shocked that Peter had made a youtube video of it. That was so helpful!  And I definitely don't need any kerplunks!  Peter, Silverheels looks exactly like my 2014 R22: color scheme, mast fittings, everything. I thought I saw the stopper knot on my '86 but maybe I didn't - I have a tendency to look for a minute then go sailing. So it will be a project saved for the next time I drop the mast.
> The '86 has a 6hp Suzuki 4-stroke on it, I think about a 2006 - great motor so far, though I've had the boat for less than 2 months.  I have a 3.5hp Mercury 4-stroke on my 2014, it's fine for coming back in when the wind dies down on the lake, but the 6 moves the boat better.  I was using a 55lb thrust electric trolling motor while the Mercury was being repaired - now that was underpowered!   But kinda worked.  Not to open a can of worms, but what size motors do you find work best?  I saw a 5hp propane-powered motor advertised a few months back.
> Larry
>    On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 05:35:11 PM EDT, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:  
> 


From lgioia at yahoo.com  Tue May 19 22:35:25 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 02:35:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Size
In-Reply-To: <39A6D293-4769-426C-86A4-414943194E40@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>
 <89405E75-EB3A-4666-86B9-19528AF60FE7@sunnybeeches.com>
 <691246223.1867571.1589936881497@mail.yahoo.com>
 <39A6D293-4769-426C-86A4-414943194E40@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <93228685.1907556.1589942125323@mail.yahoo.com>

 Oh definitely makes sense - I'm on lakes in both places so no tidal currents.
Thanks!
    On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:23:09 PM EDT, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:  
 
 Larry,

Motor size depends on what kind of sailing you?re doing.? I do coastal sailing where I often have to fight strong tidal currents of up to 3 to 4 knots in places like harbor channels. For these conditions, I think my 8 HP motor is about the minimum that?s up to the task.? If you sail someplace without tides, I think you could get by with less power.

?Peter

> On May 19, 2020, at 9:08 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Peter, Charles, thank you!? I was shocked that Peter had made a youtube video of it. That was so helpful!? And I definitely don't need any kerplunks!? Peter, Silverheels looks exactly like my 2014 R22: color scheme, mast fittings, everything. I thought I saw the stopper knot on my '86 but maybe I didn't - I have a tendency to look for a minute then go sailing. So it will be a project saved for the next time I drop the mast.
> The '86 has a 6hp Suzuki 4-stroke on it, I think about a 2006 - great motor so far, though I've had the boat for less than 2 months.? I have a 3.5hp Mercury 4-stroke on my 2014, it's fine for coming back in when the wind dies down on the lake, but the 6 moves the boat better.? I was using a 55lb thrust electric trolling motor while the Mercury was being repaired - now that was underpowered!? But kinda worked.? Not to open a can of worms, but what size motors do you find work best?? I saw a 5hp propane-powered motor advertised a few months back.
> Larry
>? ? On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 05:35:11 PM EDT, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:? 
> 
  

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue May 19 23:28:57 2020
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 23:28:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
In-Reply-To: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931@aol.com>
References: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931.ref@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <00b601d62e56$cfc44560$6f4cd020$@ca>

Thomas:
Very nice work. Looks great.


Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Polise via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:08 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring

I recently bought a refurbished 1992 Rhodes which had a soggy bilge, rotted stringers and moldy plywood.  I removed everything down to hull along with all interior carpeting.   I installed a new floor which is fully accessible with some inexpensive hardwood strips that I got on-line.. I chopped out about 2? of concrete to create a coplaner cabin. see Attached photos. 

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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue May 19 23:30:11 2020
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2020 23:30:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
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Message-ID: <00b701d62e56$f93f7900$ebbe6b00$@ca>

Nice: I like the look of the bulkhear. What is on it?

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Retro53
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:49 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring

Hi. When I bought my 1980 Rhodes three years ago, the flooring was just
plywood (hopefully marine) covered with a small piece of vinyl in the head
area. Since the floor seemed to be sound but nasty-looking, I cleaned it up
and covered it with vinyl plank flooring strips from my local home
improvement store, and finished the edges with stained wood trim. So far,
it's all held up well. Here's a before and after view.
Good Luck,
John
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From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Wed May 20 05:34:09 2020
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 09:34:09 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

Well, the last 48 hours have been very costly.  My house is on Sanford Lake, the southern most of 4 artificial impoundments on the Tittabawassee River.  Sanford Lake is ~10 miles long and ~1300 acres in area.  I live on the west side of the lake ~7 miles north of the Sanford dam.  Going north from my house, Wixom Lake is about 3 miles away by water.  North of Wixom Lake, there is Smallwood Lake and then north of that, Secord Lake.  Of the 4 lakes, Wixom Lake is the biggest at ~2000 acres.

We got ~7 inches of rain starting Sunday afternoon thru Tuesday morning.  At ~14:00 on Tuesday, we got the alert that the Wixom dam had failed.  I was surprised at how slowly the water rose.  With a dam failure, you might expect a ?wall of water? to come roaring thru.  But, it took several hours for the water level to rise.  My house sits on a bluff ~30 feet above the water and I had a beach and a 12 ft X 40 ft deck built over the water.  Normally, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium would have been in it?s slip alongside my dock.  But, it was safely on its trailer in my driveway.  Anyway, our deck was submerged ~3 feet underwater for ~2 hours in swift current before it failed and was swept away.  Unfortunately, our floating swim platform was tied off to the deck and was swept away with it.  The rack for launching/retrieving/storing our RIB was tied off to a big tree, so it?s still with us.  Once the flood got going, my normally placid lake turned into a 200 yard wide, class 4 rapid in front of my house!  There were standing waves, and whirlpools.  Tons of debris, storage sheds, boats, docks, boat lifts, and uprooted trees went past my house.  The water level rose up to about waist deep on the 1st floor of the houses in the flood plain on the west side of the lake.  Deb & I watched an incredible disaster unfold in slow motion looking out our dining room window.

Electricity, cable TV, internet, and landline telephone are all out.  We are running on our natural gas-fired whole house back-up generator.  I am using my i-phone as a mobile hot spot to get on the internet to write this.  We have a well and a septic field and lots of stored food.  Deb and I both have a bag packed and we have an escape route planned if that becomes necessary.  However, we believe we are better off sheltering in place vs. evacuating.  We can live here a long time W/O any assistance.  At our elevation, half of Midland county would have to be flooded before the water would even reach the lower level of my house.

Unfortunately, our inflatable Walker Bay RIB, the Honda outboard, and the trailer were all in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, which is very close to the Wixom dam.  I can?t get over there to see; but, I expect the storage facility isn?t there any more!  The radio says the Sanford dam was breached; but, the lake level is still ~10 feet above normal summer pool.  So, I presume the Sanford dam is still standing, at least for the moment.  The radio also says Secord dam and Smallwood dam are in trouble.  But, although Sanford Lake level is still high, the current has slacked off a lot.  So, the upstream dams, except for Wixom dam must still be standing, again at least for the moment.

As bad as we have it, the folks downstream of Sanford dam are in real trouble.  The radio reports record flooding in my hometown of Sanford and in Midland, where I used to work at Dow Chemical.  The Tittabawassee River literally runs right thru the Dow Chemical complex in Midland.  I hope they were able to get all the chemical plants shut down safely!

So, although I could have done a few things better, we are both OK and safe.  Life here on Sanford Lake is not going to be ?normal? for a long time.  Even if I replace my dock, I think there is going to be so much debris in the lake that sailing is going to be impossible.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


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From daysails at aol.com  Wed May 20 06:28:21 2020
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 10:28:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <150564746.1363917.1589970501254@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Roger,So sorry to hear about this unfolding tragedy and the destruction of your sailing grounds.? Thoughts and prayers are with you as this sounds like you are still in hams way.? Keep safe and consider using that escape route before you think you need. to.? Looking forward to the "rest of the story".? Hope Dynamic Equilibrium is still with us.? Joe Riley S/V Second Wind, Lake Hartwell GA/SC

-----Original Message-----
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, May 20, 2020 5:34 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure

Hi All,

Well, the last 48 hours have been very costly.? My house is on Sanford Lake, the southern most of 4 artificial impoundments on the Tittabawassee River.? Sanford Lake is ~10 miles long and ~1300 acres in area.? I live on the west side of the lake ~7 miles north of the Sanford dam.? Going north from my house, Wixom Lake is about 3 miles away by water.? North of Wixom Lake, there is Smallwood Lake and then north of that, Secord Lake.? Of the 4 lakes, Wixom Lake is the biggest at ~2000 acres.

We got ~7 inches of rain starting Sunday afternoon thru Tuesday morning.? At ~14:00 on Tuesday, we got the alert that the Wixom dam had failed.? I was surprised at how slowly the water rose.? With a dam failure, you might expect a ?wall of water? to come roaring thru.? But, it took several hours for the water level to rise.? My house sits on a bluff ~30 feet above the water and I had a beach and a 12 ft X 40 ft deck built over the water.? Normally, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium would have been in it?s slip alongside my dock.? But, it was safely on its trailer in my driveway.? Anyway, our deck was submerged ~3 feet underwater for ~2 hours in swift current before it failed and was swept away.? Unfortunately, our floating swim platform was tied off to the deck and was swept away with it.? The rack for launching/retrieving/storing our RIB was tied off to a big tree, so it?s still with us.? Once the flood got going, my normally placid lake turned into a 200 yard wide, class 4 rapid in front of my house!? There were standing waves, and whirlpools.? Tons of debris, storage sheds, boats, docks, boat lifts, and uprooted trees went past my house.? The water level rose up to about waist deep on the 1st floor of the houses in the flood plain on the west side of the lake.? Deb & I watched an incredible disaster unfold in slow motion looking out our dining room window.

Electricity, cable TV, internet, and landline telephone are all out.? We are running on our natural gas-fired whole house back-up generator.? I am using my i-phone as a mobile hot spot to get on the internet to write this.? We have a well and a septic field and lots of stored food.? Deb and I both have a bag packed and we have an escape route planned if that becomes necessary.? However, we believe we are better off sheltering in place vs. evacuating.? We can live here a long time W/O any assistance.? At our elevation, half of Midland county would have to be flooded before the water would even reach the lower level of my house.

Unfortunately, our inflatable Walker Bay RIB, the Honda outboard, and the trailer were all in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, which is very close to the Wixom dam.? I can?t get over there to see; but, I expect the storage facility isn?t there any more!? The radio says the Sanford dam was breached; but, the lake level is still ~10 feet above normal summer pool.? So, I presume the Sanford dam is still standing, at least for the moment.? The radio also says Secord dam and Smallwood dam are in trouble.? But, although Sanford Lake level is still high, the current has slacked off a lot.? So, the upstream dams, except for Wixom dam must still be standing, again at least for the moment.

As bad as we have it, the folks downstream of Sanford dam are in real trouble.? The radio reports record flooding in my hometown of Sanford and in Midland, where I used to work at Dow Chemical.? The Tittabawassee River literally runs right thru the Dow Chemical complex in Midland.? I hope they were able to get all the chemical plants shut down safely!

So, although I could have done a few things better, we are both OK and safe.? Life here on Sanford Lake is not going to be ?normal? for a long time.? Even if I replace my dock, I think there is going to be so much debris in the lake that sailing is going to be impossible.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


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From snstaum at gmail.com  Wed May 20 06:38:27 2020
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 06:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Roger,

Sorry to hear of your disaster.  I already feel guilty sailing solo or with
my wife only during our pandemic isolation.  Now I feel more guilty given
your situation.  I had a marina retrieve, store and launch my boat for the
1st time this year having always done this myself.  They even did the
bottom paint!  I have never been in the water before the 1st week in June
so this is a new experience for me.

I hope you get the lake cleaned up and are able to sail soon.

Stay Well,

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:34 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Well, the last 48 hours have been very costly.  My house is on Sanford
> Lake, the southern most of 4 artificial impoundments on the Tittabawassee
> River.  Sanford Lake is ~10 miles long and ~1300 acres in area.  I live on
> the west side of the lake ~7 miles north of the Sanford dam.  Going north
> from my house, Wixom Lake is about 3 miles away by water.  North of Wixom
> Lake, there is Smallwood Lake and then north of that, Secord Lake.  Of the
> 4 lakes, Wixom Lake is the biggest at ~2000 acres.
>
> We got ~7 inches of rain starting Sunday afternoon thru Tuesday morning.
> At ~14:00 on Tuesday, we got the alert that the Wixom dam had failed.  I
> was surprised at how slowly the water rose.  With a dam failure, you might
> expect a ?wall of water? to come roaring thru.  But, it took several hours
> for the water level to rise.  My house sits on a bluff ~30 feet above the
> water and I had a beach and a 12 ft X 40 ft deck built over the water.
> Normally, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium would have been in it?s slip alongside my
> dock.  But, it was safely on its trailer in my driveway.  Anyway, our deck
> was submerged ~3 feet underwater for ~2 hours in swift current before it
> failed and was swept away.  Unfortunately, our floating swim platform was
> tied off to the deck and was swept away with it.  The rack for
> launching/retrieving/storing our RIB was tied off to a big tree, so it?s
> still with us.  Once the flood got going, my normally placid lake turned
> into a 200 yard wide, class 4 rapid in front of my house!  There were
> standing waves, and whirlpools.  Tons of debris, storage sheds, boats,
> docks, boat lifts, and uprooted trees went past my house.  The water level
> rose up to about waist deep on the 1st floor of the houses in the flood
> plain on the west side of the lake.  Deb & I watched an incredible disaster
> unfold in slow motion looking out our dining room window.
>
> Electricity, cable TV, internet, and landline telephone are all out.  We
> are running on our natural gas-fired whole house back-up generator.  I am
> using my i-phone as a mobile hot spot to get on the internet to write
> this.  We have a well and a septic field and lots of stored food.  Deb and
> I both have a bag packed and we have an escape route planned if that
> becomes necessary.  However, we believe we are better off sheltering in
> place vs. evacuating.  We can live here a long time W/O any assistance.  At
> our elevation, half of Midland county would have to be flooded before the
> water would even reach the lower level of my house.
>
> Unfortunately, our inflatable Walker Bay RIB, the Honda outboard, and the
> trailer were all in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, which is very close to
> the Wixom dam.  I can?t get over there to see; but, I expect the storage
> facility isn?t there any more!  The radio says the Sanford dam was
> breached; but, the lake level is still ~10 feet above normal summer pool.
> So, I presume the Sanford dam is still standing, at least for the moment.
> The radio also says Secord dam and Smallwood dam are in trouble.  But,
> although Sanford Lake level is still high, the current has slacked off a
> lot.  So, the upstream dams, except for Wixom dam must still be standing,
> again at least for the moment.
>
> As bad as we have it, the folks downstream of Sanford dam are in real
> trouble.  The radio reports record flooding in my hometown of Sanford and
> in Midland, where I used to work at Dow Chemical.  The Tittabawassee River
> literally runs right thru the Dow Chemical complex in Midland.  I hope they
> were able to get all the chemical plants shut down safely!
>
> So, although I could have done a few things better, we are both OK and
> safe.  Life here on Sanford Lake is not going to be ?normal? for a long
> time.  Even if I replace my dock, I think there is going to be so much
> debris in the lake that sailing is going to be impossible.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed May 20 06:39:19 2020
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 06:39:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure
In-Reply-To: <150564746.1363917.1589970501254@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <150564746.1363917.1589970501254@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <7FB92AD4-78E1-4F01-A77B-8F773BAECCC5@stottarchitecture.com>

OMG Roger!!
That?s the most exciting story I ever read on ?Da List?.
Maybe you should tie the Rhodes to a big tree and climb in!
I?m only half kidding and please excuse my attempt at humor in these moments.  
Seriously, our thoughts and prayers go out to you and all those affected, what a tragedy!
Take  care of yourself and those you can 
Life will remain and life will return to some kind of normalcy, but I think it will be awhile and I think it will NOT be the 'same as it ever was?. 

Honestly - thank you for sharing your story - we?re all pulling for you.
Please keep us up to date.
Ric 
Dadventure 
Hampton Bays 

Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office	631-283-1777
Cell		516-965-3164 





> On May 20, 2020, at 6:28 AM, Sling via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Roger,So sorry to hear about this unfolding tragedy and the destruction of your sailing grounds.  Thoughts and prayers are with you as this sounds like you are still in hams way.  Keep safe and consider using that escape route before you think you need. to.  Looking forward to the "rest of the story".  Hope Dynamic Equilibrium is still with us.  Joe Riley S/V Second Wind, Lake Hartwell GA/SC
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wed, May 20, 2020 5:34 am
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Well, the last 48 hours have been very costly.  My house is on Sanford Lake, the southern most of 4 artificial impoundments on the Tittabawassee River.  Sanford Lake is ~10 miles long and ~1300 acres in area.  I live on the west side of the lake ~7 miles north of the Sanford dam.  Going north from my house, Wixom Lake is about 3 miles away by water.  North of Wixom Lake, there is Smallwood Lake and then north of that, Secord Lake.  Of the 4 lakes, Wixom Lake is the biggest at ~2000 acres.
> 
> We got ~7 inches of rain starting Sunday afternoon thru Tuesday morning.  At ~14:00 on Tuesday, we got the alert that the Wixom dam had failed.  I was surprised at how slowly the water rose.  With a dam failure, you might expect a ?wall of water? to come roaring thru.  But, it took several hours for the water level to rise.  My house sits on a bluff ~30 feet above the water and I had a beach and a 12 ft X 40 ft deck built over the water.  Normally, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium would have been in it?s slip alongside my dock.  But, it was safely on its trailer in my driveway.  Anyway, our deck was submerged ~3 feet underwater for ~2 hours in swift current before it failed and was swept away.  Unfortunately, our floating swim platform was tied off to the deck and was swept away with it.  The rack for launching/retrieving/storing our RIB was tied off to a big tree, so it?s still with us.  Once the flood got going, my normally placid lake turned into a 200 yard wide, class 4 rapid in front of my house!  There were standing waves, and whirlpools.  Tons of debris, storage sheds, boats, docks, boat lifts, and uprooted trees went past my house.  The water level rose up to about waist deep on the 1st floor of the houses in the flood plain on the west side of the lake.  Deb & I watched an incredible disaster unfold in slow motion looking out our dining room window.
> 
> Electricity, cable TV, internet, and landline telephone are all out.  We are running on our natural gas-fired whole house back-up generator.  I am using my i-phone as a mobile hot spot to get on the internet to write this.  We have a well and a septic field and lots of stored food.  Deb and I both have a bag packed and we have an escape route planned if that becomes necessary.  However, we believe we are better off sheltering in place vs. evacuating.  We can live here a long time W/O any assistance.  At our elevation, half of Midland county would have to be flooded before the water would even reach the lower level of my house.
> 
> Unfortunately, our inflatable Walker Bay RIB, the Honda outboard, and the trailer were all in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, which is very close to the Wixom dam.  I can?t get over there to see; but, I expect the storage facility isn?t there any more!  The radio says the Sanford dam was breached; but, the lake level is still ~10 feet above normal summer pool.  So, I presume the Sanford dam is still standing, at least for the moment.  The radio also says Secord dam and Smallwood dam are in trouble.  But, although Sanford Lake level is still high, the current has slacked off a lot.  So, the upstream dams, except for Wixom dam must still be standing, again at least for the moment.
> 
> As bad as we have it, the folks downstream of Sanford dam are in real trouble.  The radio reports record flooding in my hometown of Sanford and in Midland, where I used to work at Dow Chemical.  The Tittabawassee River literally runs right thru the Dow Chemical complex in Midland.  I hope they were able to get all the chemical plants shut down safely!
> 
> So, although I could have done a few things better, we are both OK and safe.  Life here on Sanford Lake is not going to be ?normal? for a long time.  Even if I replace my dock, I think there is going to be so much debris in the lake that sailing is going to be impossible.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


From ignats at comcast.net  Wed May 20 07:07:14 2020
From: ignats at comcast.net (Don Colanero)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 04:07:14 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New owner, new sailor.
In-Reply-To: <729644833.1450016.1589896343216@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1589894840430-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <729644833.1450016.1589896343216@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1589972834796-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thank you, Mark and Mel.
-Don



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From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed May 20 09:30:33 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:30:33 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjcwcNq-MyhzgS4HMvm_82_-kntyLw9-1eEggp_uCv8YyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
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Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB694113A87A9D8CA1D732942AC1B60@MN2PR05MB6941.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Roger,
Sorry to hear of your troubles but glad you, Deb, and Dynamic Equilibrium are fine.  Docks can be rebuilt.  I'm looking at the news videos and they are pretty dramatic.  Governor has declared a state of emergency and up to 11 feet of water is expected in one of the towns downstream.  One of the dams that failed had a deficient inspection and was supposed to be addressed next year sometime.  Guess it will be addressed a little sooner now.  Hang in there and be safe! - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 6:38 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure

Roger,

Sorry to hear of your disaster.  I already feel guilty sailing solo or with
my wife only during our pandemic isolation.  Now I feel more guilty given
your situation.  I had a marina retrieve, store and launch my boat for the
1st time this year having always done this myself.  They even did the
bottom paint!  I have never been in the water before the 1st week in June
so this is a new experience for me.

I hope you get the lake cleaned up and are able to sail soon.

Stay Well,

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 5:34 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Well, the last 48 hours have been very costly.  My house is on Sanford
> Lake, the southern most of 4 artificial impoundments on the Tittabawassee
> River.  Sanford Lake is ~10 miles long and ~1300 acres in area.  I live on
> the west side of the lake ~7 miles north of the Sanford dam.  Going north
> from my house, Wixom Lake is about 3 miles away by water.  North of Wixom
> Lake, there is Smallwood Lake and then north of that, Secord Lake.  Of the
> 4 lakes, Wixom Lake is the biggest at ~2000 acres.
>
> We got ~7 inches of rain starting Sunday afternoon thru Tuesday morning.
> At ~14:00 on Tuesday, we got the alert that the Wixom dam had failed.  I
> was surprised at how slowly the water rose.  With a dam failure, you might
> expect a ?wall of water? to come roaring thru.  But, it took several hours
> for the water level to rise.  My house sits on a bluff ~30 feet above the
> water and I had a beach and a 12 ft X 40 ft deck built over the water.
> Normally, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium would have been in it?s slip alongside my
> dock.  But, it was safely on its trailer in my driveway.  Anyway, our deck
> was submerged ~3 feet underwater for ~2 hours in swift current before it
> failed and was swept away.  Unfortunately, our floating swim platform was
> tied off to the deck and was swept away with it.  The rack for
> launching/retrieving/storing our RIB was tied off to a big tree, so it?s
> still with us.  Once the flood got going, my normally placid lake turned
> into a 200 yard wide, class 4 rapid in front of my house!  There were
> standing waves, and whirlpools.  Tons of debris, storage sheds, boats,
> docks, boat lifts, and uprooted trees went past my house.  The water level
> rose up to about waist deep on the 1st floor of the houses in the flood
> plain on the west side of the lake.  Deb & I watched an incredible disaster
> unfold in slow motion looking out our dining room window.
>
> Electricity, cable TV, internet, and landline telephone are all out.  We
> are running on our natural gas-fired whole house back-up generator.  I am
> using my i-phone as a mobile hot spot to get on the internet to write
> this.  We have a well and a septic field and lots of stored food.  Deb and
> I both have a bag packed and we have an escape route planned if that
> becomes necessary.  However, we believe we are better off sheltering in
> place vs. evacuating.  We can live here a long time W/O any assistance.  At
> our elevation, half of Midland county would have to be flooded before the
> water would even reach the lower level of my house.
>
> Unfortunately, our inflatable Walker Bay RIB, the Honda outboard, and the
> trailer were all in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, which is very close to
> the Wixom dam.  I can?t get over there to see; but, I expect the storage
> facility isn?t there any more!  The radio says the Sanford dam was
> breached; but, the lake level is still ~10 feet above normal summer pool.
> So, I presume the Sanford dam is still standing, at least for the moment.
> The radio also says Secord dam and Smallwood dam are in trouble.  But,
> although Sanford Lake level is still high, the current has slacked off a
> lot.  So, the upstream dams, except for Wixom dam must still be standing,
> again at least for the moment.
>
> As bad as we have it, the folks downstream of Sanford dam are in real
> trouble.  The radio reports record flooding in my hometown of Sanford and
> in Midland, where I used to work at Dow Chemical.  The Tittabawassee River
> literally runs right thru the Dow Chemical complex in Midland.  I hope they
> were able to get all the chemical plants shut down safely!
>
> So, although I could have done a few things better, we are both OK and
> safe.  Life here on Sanford Lake is not going to be ?normal? for a long
> time.  Even if I replace my dock, I think there is going to be so much
> debris in the lake that sailing is going to be impossible.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Wed May 20 09:36:48 2020
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 06:36:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New owner, new sailor.
In-Reply-To: <1589894840430-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589894840430-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1589981808838-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Radiant has the same pink rub rail.  I had a partial roll of 1" red
reflective tape which I applied over the rail on the transom after cleaning
with alcohol.  After a couple of months it is still adhering and so might be
a less expensive alternative to a new rub rail. Here is a link to an even
better product than the one I used:
<https://www.uline.com/BL_2322/Outdoor-Reflective-Tape>
I like reflective tape for visibility at night.  It also helps to find the
boat in a crowded anchorage.



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed May 20 09:39:08 2020
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 13:39:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <171396825.1420019.1589981948230@mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry Rodger for the problems your having and headaches to come . We lost pier boat slip and 100 ft bulkhead but the boat house with lift was ok. piers and docks in bad shape down river blew/washed up river to pile up against ours what a mess trees down.? This was during?Hurricane Isabel water was in foundation didn't reach any wood joist. our prayers and thoughts Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, May 20, 2020 5:34 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure

Hi All,

Well, the last 48 hours have been very costly.? My house is on Sanford Lake, the southern most of 4 artificial impoundments on the Tittabawassee River.? Sanford Lake is ~10 miles long and ~1300 acres in area.? I live on the west side of the lake ~7 miles north of the Sanford dam.? Going north from my house, Wixom Lake is about 3 miles away by water.? North of Wixom Lake, there is Smallwood Lake and then north of that, Secord Lake.? Of the 4 lakes, Wixom Lake is the biggest at ~2000 acres.

We got ~7 inches of rain starting Sunday afternoon thru Tuesday morning.? At ~14:00 on Tuesday, we got the alert that the Wixom dam had failed.? I was surprised at how slowly the water rose.? With a dam failure, you might expect a ?wall of water? to come roaring thru.? But, it took several hours for the water level to rise.? My house sits on a bluff ~30 feet above the water and I had a beach and a 12 ft X 40 ft deck built over the water.? Normally, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium would have been in it?s slip alongside my dock.? But, it was safely on its trailer in my driveway.? Anyway, our deck was submerged ~3 feet underwater for ~2 hours in swift current before it failed and was swept away.? Unfortunately, our floating swim platform was tied off to the deck and was swept away with it.? The rack for launching/retrieving/storing our RIB was tied off to a big tree, so it?s still with us.? Once the flood got going, my normally placid lake turned into a 200 yard wide, class 4 rapid in front of my house!? There were standing waves, and whirlpools.? Tons of debris, storage sheds, boats, docks, boat lifts, and uprooted trees went past my house.? The water level rose up to about waist deep on the 1st floor of the houses in the flood plain on the west side of the lake.? Deb & I watched an incredible disaster unfold in slow motion looking out our dining room window.

Electricity, cable TV, internet, and landline telephone are all out.? We are running on our natural gas-fired whole house back-up generator.? I am using my i-phone as a mobile hot spot to get on the internet to write this.? We have a well and a septic field and lots of stored food.? Deb and I both have a bag packed and we have an escape route planned if that becomes necessary.? However, we believe we are better off sheltering in place vs. evacuating.? We can live here a long time W/O any assistance.? At our elevation, half of Midland county would have to be flooded before the water would even reach the lower level of my house.

Unfortunately, our inflatable Walker Bay RIB, the Honda outboard, and the trailer were all in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, which is very close to the Wixom dam.? I can?t get over there to see; but, I expect the storage facility isn?t there any more!? The radio says the Sanford dam was breached; but, the lake level is still ~10 feet above normal summer pool.? So, I presume the Sanford dam is still standing, at least for the moment.? The radio also says Secord dam and Smallwood dam are in trouble.? But, although Sanford Lake level is still high, the current has slacked off a lot.? So, the upstream dams, except for Wixom dam must still be standing, again at least for the moment.

As bad as we have it, the folks downstream of Sanford dam are in real trouble.? The radio reports record flooding in my hometown of Sanford and in Midland, where I used to work at Dow Chemical.? The Tittabawassee River literally runs right thru the Dow Chemical complex in Midland.? I hope they were able to get all the chemical plants shut down safely!

So, although I could have done a few things better, we are both OK and safe.? Life here on Sanford Lake is not going to be ?normal? for a long time.? Even if I replace my dock, I think there is going to be so much debris in the lake that sailing is going to be impossible.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Wed May 20 11:15:59 2020
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 11:15:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <504f4256-e267-3255-78c8-23131028c1bd@atlanticbb.net>

I was wondering who I knew up that way. So very sorry that so many have 
been so affected by this disaster. Our best wishes for health, safety 
and recovery to you, your family and your neighbors.

Mary Lou

On 5/20/2020 5:34 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Well, the last 48 hours have been very costly.  My house is on Sanford Lake, the southern most of 4 artificial impoundments on the Tittabawassee River.  Sanford Lake is ~10 miles long and ~1300 acres in area.  I live on the west side of the lake ~7 miles north of the Sanford dam.  Going north from my house, Wixom Lake is about 3 miles away by water.  North of Wixom Lake, there is Smallwood Lake and then north of that, Secord Lake.  Of the 4 lakes, Wixom Lake is the biggest at ~2000 acres.
>
> We got ~7 inches of rain starting Sunday afternoon thru Tuesday morning.  At ~14:00 on Tuesday, we got the alert that the Wixom dam had failed.  I was surprised at how slowly the water rose.  With a dam failure, you might expect a ?wall of water? to come roaring thru.  But, it took several hours for the water level to rise.  My house sits on a bluff ~30 feet above the water and I had a beach and a 12 ft X 40 ft deck built over the water.  Normally, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium would have been in it?s slip alongside my dock.  But, it was safely on its trailer in my driveway.  Anyway, our deck was submerged ~3 feet underwater for ~2 hours in swift current before it failed and was swept away.  Unfortunately, our floating swim platform was tied off to the deck and was swept away with it.  The rack for launching/retrieving/storing our RIB was tied off to a big tree, so it?s still with us.  Once the flood got going, my normally placid lake turned into a 200 yard wide, class 4 rapid in front of my house!  There were standing waves, and whirlpools.  Tons of debris, storage sheds, boats, docks, boat lifts, and uprooted trees went past my house.  The water level rose up to about waist deep on the 1st floor of the houses in the flood plain on the west side of the lake.  Deb & I watched an incredible disaster unfold in slow motion looking out our dining room window.
>
> Electricity, cable TV, internet, and landline telephone are all out.  We are running on our natural gas-fired whole house back-up generator.  I am using my i-phone as a mobile hot spot to get on the internet to write this.  We have a well and a septic field and lots of stored food.  Deb and I both have a bag packed and we have an escape route planned if that becomes necessary.  However, we believe we are better off sheltering in place vs. evacuating.  We can live here a long time W/O any assistance.  At our elevation, half of Midland county would have to be flooded before the water would even reach the lower level of my house.
>
> Unfortunately, our inflatable Walker Bay RIB, the Honda outboard, and the trailer were all in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, which is very close to the Wixom dam.  I can?t get over there to see; but, I expect the storage facility isn?t there any more!  The radio says the Sanford dam was breached; but, the lake level is still ~10 feet above normal summer pool.  So, I presume the Sanford dam is still standing, at least for the moment.  The radio also says Secord dam and Smallwood dam are in trouble.  But, although Sanford Lake level is still high, the current has slacked off a lot.  So, the upstream dams, except for Wixom dam must still be standing, again at least for the moment.
>
> As bad as we have it, the folks downstream of Sanford dam are in real trouble.  The radio reports record flooding in my hometown of Sanford and in Midland, where I used to work at Dow Chemical.  The Tittabawassee River literally runs right thru the Dow Chemical complex in Midland.  I hope they were able to get all the chemical plants shut down safely!
>
> So, although I could have done a few things better, we are both OK and safe.  Life here on Sanford Lake is not going to be ?normal? for a long time.  Even if I replace my dock, I think there is going to be so much debris in the lake that sailing is going to be impossible.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
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>



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed May 20 11:44:16 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 10:44:16 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure
In-Reply-To: <504f4256-e267-3255-78c8-23131028c1bd@atlanticbb.net>
References: <CH2PR02MB69202DD8989F131BCB81B57680B60@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMc-3fo+W1aqK-uvnFg57m958HsozZokJOS8fo=Pc5FYBHdgcg@mail.gmail.com>

So sorry to hear about the terrible situation!  It sounds like you are as
prepared as you can be to ride things out.  Hoping for the best for you,
your family and all those affected by this.

On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:16 AM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> I was wondering who I knew up that way. So very sorry that so many have
> been so affected by this disaster. Our best wishes for health, safety
> and recovery to you, your family and your neighbors.
>
> Mary Lou
>
> On 5/20/2020 5:34 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Well, the last 48 hours have been very costly.  My house is on Sanford
> Lake, the southern most of 4 artificial impoundments on the Tittabawassee
> River.  Sanford Lake is ~10 miles long and ~1300 acres in area.  I live on
> the west side of the lake ~7 miles north of the Sanford dam.  Going north
> from my house, Wixom Lake is about 3 miles away by water.  North of Wixom
> Lake, there is Smallwood Lake and then north of that, Secord Lake.  Of the
> 4 lakes, Wixom Lake is the biggest at ~2000 acres.
> >
> > We got ~7 inches of rain starting Sunday afternoon thru Tuesday
> morning.  At ~14:00 on Tuesday, we got the alert that the Wixom dam had
> failed.  I was surprised at how slowly the water rose.  With a dam failure,
> you might expect a ?wall of water? to come roaring thru.  But, it took
> several hours for the water level to rise.  My house sits on a bluff ~30
> feet above the water and I had a beach and a 12 ft X 40 ft deck built over
> the water.  Normally, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium would have been in it?s slip
> alongside my dock.  But, it was safely on its trailer in my driveway.
> Anyway, our deck was submerged ~3 feet underwater for ~2 hours in swift
> current before it failed and was swept away.  Unfortunately, our floating
> swim platform was tied off to the deck and was swept away with it.  The
> rack for launching/retrieving/storing our RIB was tied off to a big tree,
> so it?s still with us.  Once the flood got going, my normally placid lake
> turned into a 200 yard wide, class 4 rapid in front of my house!  There
> were standing waves, and whirlpools.  Tons of debris, storage sheds, boats,
> docks, boat lifts, and uprooted trees went past my house.  The water level
> rose up to about waist deep on the 1st floor of the houses in the flood
> plain on the west side of the lake.  Deb & I watched an incredible disaster
> unfold in slow motion looking out our dining room window.
> >
> > Electricity, cable TV, internet, and landline telephone are all out.  We
> are running on our natural gas-fired whole house back-up generator.  I am
> using my i-phone as a mobile hot spot to get on the internet to write
> this.  We have a well and a septic field and lots of stored food.  Deb and
> I both have a bag packed and we have an escape route planned if that
> becomes necessary.  However, we believe we are better off sheltering in
> place vs. evacuating.  We can live here a long time W/O any assistance.  At
> our elevation, half of Midland county would have to be flooded before the
> water would even reach the lower level of my house.
> >
> > Unfortunately, our inflatable Walker Bay RIB, the Honda outboard, and
> the trailer were all in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, which is very
> close to the Wixom dam.  I can?t get over there to see; but, I expect the
> storage facility isn?t there any more!  The radio says the Sanford dam was
> breached; but, the lake level is still ~10 feet above normal summer pool.
> So, I presume the Sanford dam is still standing, at least for the moment.
> The radio also says Secord dam and Smallwood dam are in trouble.  But,
> although Sanford Lake level is still high, the current has slacked off a
> lot.  So, the upstream dams, except for Wixom dam must still be standing,
> again at least for the moment.
> >
> > As bad as we have it, the folks downstream of Sanford dam are in real
> trouble.  The radio reports record flooding in my hometown of Sanford and
> in Midland, where I used to work at Dow Chemical.  The Tittabawassee River
> literally runs right thru the Dow Chemical complex in Midland.  I hope they
> were able to get all the chemical plants shut down safely!
> >
> > So, although I could have done a few things better, we are both OK and
> safe.  Life here on Sanford Lake is not going to be ?normal? for a long
> time.  Even if I replace my dock, I think there is going to be so much
> debris in the lake that sailing is going to be impossible.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
> >
>
>
>
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed May 20 15:06:23 2020
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 15:06:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Size
In-Reply-To: <93228685.1907556.1589942125323@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <993037389.1731446.1589921792854.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <993037389.1731446.1589921792854@mail.yahoo.com>
 <89405E75-EB3A-4666-86B9-19528AF60FE7@sunnybeeches.com>
 <691246223.1867571.1589936881497@mail.yahoo.com>
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Larry,

Do you have waves and wind on your lakes?  Also, do you ever transition at
the mouth of fast flowing river and the lake?  If so, a 9.9hp motor is best.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:35 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>  Oh definitely makes sense - I'm on lakes in both places so no tidal
> currents.
> Thanks!
>     On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 10:23:09 PM EDT, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
>  Larry,
>
> Motor size depends on what kind of sailing you?re doing.  I do coastal
> sailing where I often have to fight strong tidal currents of up to 3 to 4
> knots in places like harbor channels. For these conditions, I think my 8 HP
> motor is about the minimum that?s up to the task.  If you sail someplace
> without tides, I think you could get by with less power.
>
> ?Peter
>
> > On May 19, 2020, at 9:08 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Peter, Charles, thank you!  I was shocked that Peter had made a youtube
> video of it. That was so helpful!  And I definitely don't need any
> kerplunks!  Peter, Silverheels looks exactly like my 2014 R22: color
> scheme, mast fittings, everything. I thought I saw the stopper knot on my
> '86 but maybe I didn't - I have a tendency to look for a minute then go
> sailing. So it will be a project saved for the next time I drop the mast.
> > The '86 has a 6hp Suzuki 4-stroke on it, I think about a 2006 - great
> motor so far, though I've had the boat for less than 2 months.  I have a
> 3.5hp Mercury 4-stroke on my 2014, it's fine for coming back in when the
> wind dies down on the lake, but the 6 moves the boat better.  I was using a
> 55lb thrust electric trolling motor while the Mercury was being repaired -
> now that was underpowered!  But kinda worked.  Not to open a can of worms,
> but what size motors do you find work best?  I saw a 5hp propane-powered
> motor advertised a few months back.
> > Larry
> >    On Tuesday, May 19, 2020, 05:35:11 PM EDT, Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> >
>
>

From retro53 at msn.com  Wed May 20 17:42:00 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 21:42:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
In-Reply-To: <00b701d62e56$f93f7900$ebbe6b00$@ca>
References: <02201493-9636-49CD-8895-964A6F010931@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB577404DCBCCDCDE103F835D4BDB60@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks! The cosmetic condition of the bulkhead was not good when I got the boat, having been damaged by old leaks. So, I just glued some automotive carpeting on the cabin side (along with the visible inner hull surfaces). On the side that faces the head, I sanded it down and covered it with a couple of coats of white topside paint to have a surface that's bright and easily cleaned.

John

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:30 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring

Nice: I like the look of the bulkhear. What is on it?

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Retro53
Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:49 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring

Hi. When I bought my 1980 Rhodes three years ago, the flooring was just
plywood (hopefully marine) covered with a small piece of vinyl in the head
area. Since the floor seemed to be sound but nasty-looking, I cleaned it up
and covered it with vinyl plank flooring strips from my local home
improvement store, and finished the edges with stained wood trim. So far,
it's all held up well. Here's a before and after view.
Good Luck,
John
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu May 21 08:07:20 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:07:20 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?We=E2=80=99re_Still_Here!?=
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References: <CH2PR02MB69204B180E65C64BEF05EF8180B70@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
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? Hi All,

We?re still sheltering in place at our house.  We have no electricity, cable TV, landline telephone, or cable internet.  Fortunately, the cell phone still works!  Our standby generator has been running continuously since Tuesday evening.

The water level in Sanford Lake has crested and is now falling slowly.  The radio says Sanford dam was breached.  But, it must still be standing or the water level would be down dramatically.  I suspect they mean the dam was overtopped and water was flowing thru the emergency spillway. Sanford dam upgraded their emergency spillway in 2013 to be able to handle a 500 year flood.  So far, the upgrade seems to be working.   Inadequate emergency spillway capacity was the primary  issue that caused FERC to cancel the Wixom dam?s operating permit in 2018.  Wixom dam has two concrete structures that house the flood gates and hydroelectric generators.  But, these concrete structures are linked by ~1/2 mile of earthen berm that was really the majority of the dam.  From the on-line pictures I?ve seen, it appears it was this earthen berm that failed.

Deb and I drove around the area yesterday morning.  We verified our escape route.  We found there was a gas station and grocery store open in Beaverton.  So, we filled up the minivan and bought some groceries.

The Curtis Road bridge at the north end of Sanford Lake has been destroyed!  Actually, the steel center span is still standing.  But, ~100 yards of the western approach to the bridge has been washed away.  So, you can?t get anywhere near the center span.  Many houses in the area near the bridge are gone, nothing left but their foundations.  You can also see the severed water main, power cables, fiber optic cables for cable TV and internet hanging from the bridge structure.  I think it?s going to a long time before all the utilities are restored to the west side of the lake.  Fortunately, we get our water from a well.  As long as our natural gas fired generator keeps running, we?re in good shape.  The natural gas pipeline doesn?t cross the Curtis Road bridge.  The pipeline runs up the west side of the lake from the south.  We are near the northern end of the pipeline.   ie, A little north of our house, you start seeing LP gas pigs in people?s yards.  During the flood, we saw many of these LP gas pigs floating down the lake!

We tried several different routes to get to Johnson Mini Storage on M-30.  But, we were stopped every time by flooded roads or closed bridges.  The storage facility is located very close to the Wixom dam and I?m worried the flood waters destroyed it.  We had a lot of stuff, including our RIB, the outboard, trailer, 3 kayaks, a canoe, all my dive gear, and a bunch of camping, kayaking, and boating gear stored there.  I studied the county map last night and I?m going to try another route today.  I?d like to know if the storage facility is damaged or is even there anymore before I contact my insurance agent.

Otherwise, things is dull!

Roger Pihlaja
   S/V Dynamic Equilibrium




From snstaum at gmail.com  Thu May 21 08:30:00 2020
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 08:30:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?We=E2=80=99re_Still_Here!?=
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920161C3764FF46D617ACA980B70@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69204B180E65C64BEF05EF8180B70@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Thanks for the update Roger.  I don't know if it helps but I should be on
the boat later today either sailing or just read and relax on the mooring.

Stay Well,

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:07 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
> We?re still sheltering in place at our house.  We have no electricity,
> cable TV, landline telephone, or cable internet.  Fortunately, the cell
> phone still works!  Our standby generator has been running continuously
> since Tuesday evening.
>
> The water level in Sanford Lake has crested and is now falling slowly.
> The radio says Sanford dam was breached.  But, it must still be standing or
> the water level would be down dramatically.  I suspect they mean the dam
> was overtopped and water was flowing thru the emergency spillway. Sanford
> dam upgraded their emergency spillway in 2013 to be able to handle a 500
> year flood.  So far, the upgrade seems to be working.   Inadequate
> emergency spillway capacity was the primary  issue that caused FERC to
> cancel the Wixom dam?s operating permit in 2018.  Wixom dam has two
> concrete structures that house the flood gates and hydroelectric
> generators.  But, these concrete structures are linked by ~1/2 mile of
> earthen berm that was really the majority of the dam.  From the on-line
> pictures I?ve seen, it appears it was this earthen berm that failed.
>
> Deb and I drove around the area yesterday morning.  We verified our escape
> route.  We found there was a gas station and grocery store open in
> Beaverton.  So, we filled up the minivan and bought some groceries.
>
> The Curtis Road bridge at the north end of Sanford Lake has been
> destroyed!  Actually, the steel center span is still standing.  But, ~100
> yards of the western approach to the bridge has been washed away.  So, you
> can?t get anywhere near the center span.  Many houses in the area near the
> bridge are gone, nothing left but their foundations.  You can also see the
> severed water main, power cables, fiber optic cables for cable TV and
> internet hanging from the bridge structure.  I think it?s going to a long
> time before all the utilities are restored to the west side of the lake.
> Fortunately, we get our water from a well.  As long as our natural gas
> fired generator keeps running, we?re in good shape.  The natural gas
> pipeline doesn?t cross the Curtis Road bridge.  The pipeline runs up the
> west side of the lake from the south.  We are near the northern end of the
> pipeline.   ie, A little north of our house, you start seeing LP gas pigs
> in people?s yards.  During the flood, we saw many of these LP gas pigs
> floating down the lake!
>
> We tried several different routes to get to Johnson Mini Storage on M-30.
> But, we were stopped every time by flooded roads or closed bridges.  The
> storage facility is located very close to the Wixom dam and I?m worried the
> flood waters destroyed it.  We had a lot of stuff, including our RIB, the
> outboard, trailer, 3 kayaks, a canoe, all my dive gear, and a bunch of
> camping, kayaking, and boating gear stored there.  I studied the county map
> last night and I?m going to try another route today.  I?d like to know if
> the storage facility is damaged or is even there anymore before I contact
> my insurance agent.
>
> Otherwise, things is dull!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>    S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
>

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Thu May 21 08:36:09 2020
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 08:36:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?We=E2=80=99re_Still_Here!?=
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920161C3764FF46D617ACA980B70@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi Roger,

This was published yesterday in the Midland Daily News:

Sanford Dam has been overrun with flood waters, though the dam's structure
is still intact.

"Water has gone all over and around the (Sanford) dam," said Midland County
Administrator/Controller Bridgette Gransden.

Despite being overrun, as of midday Wednesday, the structure of Sanford Dam
is still intact, Gransden said.

However, Sanford Dam's "fuse plug" ? a spillway feature designed to wash
away in high flood conditions to keep the dam from collapsing ? has been
washed out.

The Edenville Dam along the river failed ? with the structure being
breached ? at about 5:45 p.m. Tuesday and an alert from Midland County 911
at about 7 p.m. stated the failure of the Sanford Dam was imminent. Dave
Kook, a meteorologist with the National Weather Service, said the breaching
of the Edenville Dam has caused more water to be released into Sanford
Lake, also increasing the amount of water passing through Sanford Dam.

The Tittabawassee River is projected to fall to 30.30 feet by midnight
Thursday night, and to 23.40 feet by midnight Friday night. It is then
projected to be at 18.6 feet at midnight Saturday and 17.3 feet at midnight
Sunday.

https://www.ourmidland.com/news/article/Sanford-Dam-overrun-but-not-collapsed-15283723.php


It looks like you may be right about the Sanford Dam.

Stay safe!

Hank

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:07 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
> We?re still sheltering in place at our house.  We have no electricity,
> cable TV, landline telephone, or cable internet.  Fortunately, the cell
> phone still works!  Our standby generator has been running continuously
> since Tuesday evening.
>
> The water level in Sanford Lake has crested and is now falling slowly.
> The radio says Sanford dam was breached.  But, it must still be standing or
> the water level would be down dramatically.  I suspect they mean the dam
> was overtopped and water was flowing thru the emergency spillway. Sanford
> dam upgraded their emergency spillway in 2013 to be able to handle a 500
> year flood.  So far, the upgrade seems to be working.   Inadequate
> emergency spillway capacity was the primary  issue that caused FERC to
> cancel the Wixom dam?s operating permit in 2018.  Wixom dam has two
> concrete structures that house the flood gates and hydroelectric
> generators.  But, these concrete structures are linked by ~1/2 mile of
> earthen berm that was really the majority of the dam.  From the on-line
> pictures I?ve seen, it appears it was this earthen berm that failed.
>
> Deb and I drove around the area yesterday morning.  We verified our escape
> route.  We found there was a gas station and grocery store open in
> Beaverton.  So, we filled up the minivan and bought some groceries.
>
> The Curtis Road bridge at the north end of Sanford Lake has been
> destroyed!  Actually, the steel center span is still standing.  But, ~100
> yards of the western approach to the bridge has been washed away.  So, you
> can?t get anywhere near the center span.  Many houses in the area near the
> bridge are gone, nothing left but their foundations.  You can also see the
> severed water main, power cables, fiber optic cables for cable TV and
> internet hanging from the bridge structure.  I think it?s going to a long
> time before all the utilities are restored to the west side of the lake.
> Fortunately, we get our water from a well.  As long as our natural gas
> fired generator keeps running, we?re in good shape.  The natural gas
> pipeline doesn?t cross the Curtis Road bridge.  The pipeline runs up the
> west side of the lake from the south.  We are near the northern end of the
> pipeline.   ie, A little north of our house, you start seeing LP gas pigs
> in people?s yards.  During the flood, we saw many of these LP gas pigs
> floating down the lake!
>
> We tried several different routes to get to Johnson Mini Storage on M-30.
> But, we were stopped every time by flooded roads or closed bridges.  The
> storage facility is located very close to the Wixom dam and I?m worried the
> flood waters destroyed it.  We had a lot of stuff, including our RIB, the
> outboard, trailer, 3 kayaks, a canoe, all my dive gear, and a bunch of
> camping, kayaking, and boating gear stored there.  I studied the county map
> last night and I?m going to try another route today.  I?d like to know if
> the storage facility is damaged or is even there anymore before I contact
> my insurance agent.
>
> Otherwise, things is dull!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>    S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
>

From mike at traildesign.com  Thu May 21 12:05:11 2020
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:05:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?We=E2=80=99re_Still_Here!?=
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920161C3764FF46D617ACA980B70@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69204B180E65C64BEF05EF8180B70@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Roger, one of the things I admire most about sailors is their ability to
remain calm in adverse conditions. The way you've reported the dam failure
and flooding reflects that. Well done!

I hope all your things at the storage place have survived. Even with
insurance the amount of work to replace everything would be immense.

Best of luck to you!

Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:07 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

>  Hi All,
>
> We?re still sheltering in place at our house.  We have no electricity,
> cable TV, landline telephone, or cable internet.  Fortunately, the cell
> phone still works!  Our standby generator has been running continuously
> since Tuesday evening.
>
> The water level in Sanford Lake has crested and is now falling slowly.
> The radio says Sanford dam was breached.  But, it must still be standing or
> the water level would be down dramatically.  I suspect they mean the dam
> was overtopped and water was flowing thru the emergency spillway. Sanford
> dam upgraded their emergency spillway in 2013 to be able to handle a 500
> year flood.  So far, the upgrade seems to be working.   Inadequate
> emergency spillway capacity was the primary  issue that caused FERC to
> cancel the Wixom dam?s operating permit in 2018.  Wixom dam has two
> concrete structures that house the flood gates and hydroelectric
> generators.  But, these concrete structures are linked by ~1/2 mile of
> earthen berm that was really the majority of the dam.  From the on-line
> pictures I?ve seen, it appears it was this earthen berm that failed.
>
> Deb and I drove around the area yesterday morning.  We verified our escape
> route.  We found there was a gas station and grocery store open in
> Beaverton.  So, we filled up the minivan and bought some groceries.
>
> The Curtis Road bridge at the north end of Sanford Lake has been
> destroyed!  Actually, the steel center span is still standing.  But, ~100
> yards of the western approach to the bridge has been washed away.  So, you
> can?t get anywhere near the center span.  Many houses in the area near the
> bridge are gone, nothing left but their foundations.  You can also see the
> severed water main, power cables, fiber optic cables for cable TV and
> internet hanging from the bridge structure.  I think it?s going to a long
> time before all the utilities are restored to the west side of the lake.
> Fortunately, we get our water from a well.  As long as our natural gas
> fired generator keeps running, we?re in good shape.  The natural gas
> pipeline doesn?t cross the Curtis Road bridge.  The pipeline runs up the
> west side of the lake from the south.  We are near the northern end of the
> pipeline.   ie, A little north of our house, you start seeing LP gas pigs
> in people?s yards.  During the flood, we saw many of these LP gas pigs
> floating down the lake!
>
> We tried several different routes to get to Johnson Mini Storage on M-30.
> But, we were stopped every time by flooded roads or closed bridges.  The
> storage facility is located very close to the Wixom dam and I?m worried the
> flood waters destroyed it.  We had a lot of stuff, including our RIB, the
> outboard, trailer, 3 kayaks, a canoe, all my dive gear, and a bunch of
> camping, kayaking, and boating gear stored there.  I studied the county map
> last night and I?m going to try another route today.  I?d like to know if
> the storage facility is damaged or is even there anymore before I contact
> my insurance agent.
>
> Otherwise, things is dull!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>    S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
>

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Thu May 21 14:01:52 2020
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 18:01:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?We=E2=80=99re_Still_Here!?=
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo9kmoBKQVhSedY5=3YhnOov6eHgdSuNbCO_ULpLpYmZeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69204B180E65C64BEF05EF8180B70@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <1321257856.1975481.1590084112192@mail.yahoo.com>

I will second that? ?Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM, Mike Riter<mike at traildesign.com> wrote:   Roger, one of the things I admire most about sailors is their ability to
remain calm in adverse conditions. The way you've reported the dam failure
and flooding reflects that. Well done!

I hope all your things at the storage place have survived. Even with
insurance the amount of work to replace everything would be immense.

Best of luck to you!

Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:07 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

>? Hi All,
>
> We?re still sheltering in place at our house.? We have no electricity,
> cable TV, landline telephone, or cable internet.? Fortunately, the cell
> phone still works!? Our standby generator has been running continuously
> since Tuesday evening.
>
> The water level in Sanford Lake has crested and is now falling slowly.
> The radio says Sanford dam was breached.? But, it must still be standing or
> the water level would be down dramatically.? I suspect they mean the dam
> was overtopped and water was flowing thru the emergency spillway. Sanford
> dam upgraded their emergency spillway in 2013 to be able to handle a 500
> year flood.? So far, the upgrade seems to be working.? Inadequate
> emergency spillway capacity was the primary? issue that caused FERC to
> cancel the Wixom dam?s operating permit in 2018.? Wixom dam has two
> concrete structures that house the flood gates and hydroelectric
> generators.? But, these concrete structures are linked by ~1/2 mile of
> earthen berm that was really the majority of the dam.? From the on-line
> pictures I?ve seen, it appears it was this earthen berm that failed.
>
> Deb and I drove around the area yesterday morning.? We verified our escape
> route.? We found there was a gas station and grocery store open in
> Beaverton.? So, we filled up the minivan and bought some groceries.
>
> The Curtis Road bridge at the north end of Sanford Lake has been
> destroyed!? Actually, the steel center span is still standing.? But, ~100
> yards of the western approach to the bridge has been washed away.? So, you
> can?t get anywhere near the center span.? Many houses in the area near the
> bridge are gone, nothing left but their foundations.? You can also see the
> severed water main, power cables, fiber optic cables for cable TV and
> internet hanging from the bridge structure.? I think it?s going to a long
> time before all the utilities are restored to the west side of the lake.
> Fortunately, we get our water from a well.? As long as our natural gas
> fired generator keeps running, we?re in good shape.? The natural gas
> pipeline doesn?t cross the Curtis Road bridge.? The pipeline runs up the
> west side of the lake from the south.? We are near the northern end of the
> pipeline.? ie, A little north of our house, you start seeing LP gas pigs
> in people?s yards.? During the flood, we saw many of these LP gas pigs
> floating down the lake!
>
> We tried several different routes to get to Johnson Mini Storage on M-30.
> But, we were stopped every time by flooded roads or closed bridges.? The
> storage facility is located very close to the Wixom dam and I?m worried the
> flood waters destroyed it.? We had a lot of stuff, including our RIB, the
> outboard, trailer, 3 kayaks, a canoe, all my dive gear, and a bunch of
> camping, kayaking, and boating gear stored there.? I studied the county map
> last night and I?m going to try another route today.? I?d like to know if
> the storage facility is damaged or is even there anymore before I contact
> my insurance agent.
>
> Otherwise, things is dull!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>? ? S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
>  

From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Thu May 21 14:24:13 2020
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 14:24:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR05MB577404DCBCCDCDE103F835D4BDB60@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR05MB577404DCBCCDCDE103F835D4BDB60@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <F1D1731D-CE3B-4967-95E5-116B782E678C@gmail.com>

Ahhh the Rhodes Rhot!!  The rot is a key component of the recycling program! Lol!
  Dont know who the poster was about the new 1992 Rhodes rotting out but looks like you removed the bulkhead.  You must put in some sort of a compression post to support your mast if you remove the bulkhead.


> On May 20, 2020, at 5:42 PM, John Keyser <retro53 at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks! The cosmetic condition of the bulkhead was not good when I got the boat, having been damaged by old leaks. So, I just glued some automotive carpeting on the cabin side (along with the visible inner hull surfaces). On the side that faces the head, I sanded it down and covered it with a couple of coats of white topside paint to have a surface that's bright and easily cleaned.
> 
> John
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:30 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
> 
> Nice: I like the look of the bulkhear. What is on it?
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Retro53
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:49 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
> 
> Hi. When I bought my 1980 Rhodes three years ago, the flooring was just
> plywood (hopefully marine) covered with a small piece of vinyl in the head
> area. Since the floor seemed to be sound but nasty-looking, I cleaned it up
> and covered it with vinyl plank flooring strips from my local home
> improvement store, and finished the edges with stained wood trim. So far,
> it's all held up well. Here's a before and after view.
> Good Luck,
> John
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/016.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20180731_124100.
> jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> 

From robert at pamayared.com  Thu May 21 15:52:17 2020
From: robert at pamayared.com (robert51)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 12:52:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Still searching for pop top enclosure
Message-ID: <1590090737537-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Have 2012 Rhodes 22 and still looking for pop top enclosure. New or used.



--
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu May 21 17:27:46 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 16:27:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?We=E2=80=99re_Still_Here!?=
In-Reply-To: <1321257856.1975481.1590084112192@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69204B180E65C64BEF05EF8180B70@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Hey Art,
   If the original "McGyver" of the R22's and life in general is still the
Roger I remember then all will be well for you.  Good luck and take care.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:01 PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I will second that   Art
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM, Mike Riter<mike at traildesign.com>
> wrote:   Roger, one of the things I admire most about sailors is their
> ability to
> remain calm in adverse conditions. The way you've reported the dam failure
> and flooding reflects that. Well done!
>
> I hope all your things at the storage place have survived. Even with
> insurance the amount of work to replace everything would be immense.
>
> Best of luck to you!
>
> Michael Riter
> SV Emma B
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:07 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> >  Hi All,
> >
> > We?re still sheltering in place at our house.  We have no electricity,
> > cable TV, landline telephone, or cable internet.  Fortunately, the cell
> > phone still works!  Our standby generator has been running continuously
> > since Tuesday evening.
> >
> > The water level in Sanford Lake has crested and is now falling slowly.
> > The radio says Sanford dam was breached.  But, it must still be standing
> or
> > the water level would be down dramatically.  I suspect they mean the dam
> > was overtopped and water was flowing thru the emergency spillway. Sanford
> > dam upgraded their emergency spillway in 2013 to be able to handle a 500
> > year flood.  So far, the upgrade seems to be working.  Inadequate
> > emergency spillway capacity was the primary  issue that caused FERC to
> > cancel the Wixom dam?s operating permit in 2018.  Wixom dam has two
> > concrete structures that house the flood gates and hydroelectric
> > generators.  But, these concrete structures are linked by ~1/2 mile of
> > earthen berm that was really the majority of the dam.  From the on-line
> > pictures I?ve seen, it appears it was this earthen berm that failed.
> >
> > Deb and I drove around the area yesterday morning.  We verified our
> escape
> > route.  We found there was a gas station and grocery store open in
> > Beaverton.  So, we filled up the minivan and bought some groceries.
> >
> > The Curtis Road bridge at the north end of Sanford Lake has been
> > destroyed!  Actually, the steel center span is still standing.  But, ~100
> > yards of the western approach to the bridge has been washed away.  So,
> you
> > can?t get anywhere near the center span.  Many houses in the area near
> the
> > bridge are gone, nothing left but their foundations.  You can also see
> the
> > severed water main, power cables, fiber optic cables for cable TV and
> > internet hanging from the bridge structure.  I think it?s going to a long
> > time before all the utilities are restored to the west side of the lake.
> > Fortunately, we get our water from a well.  As long as our natural gas
> > fired generator keeps running, we?re in good shape.  The natural gas
> > pipeline doesn?t cross the Curtis Road bridge.  The pipeline runs up the
> > west side of the lake from the south.  We are near the northern end of
> the
> > pipeline.  ie, A little north of our house, you start seeing LP gas pigs
> > in people?s yards.  During the flood, we saw many of these LP gas pigs
> > floating down the lake!
> >
> > We tried several different routes to get to Johnson Mini Storage on M-30.
> > But, we were stopped every time by flooded roads or closed bridges.  The
> > storage facility is located very close to the Wixom dam and I?m worried
> the
> > flood waters destroyed it.  We had a lot of stuff, including our RIB, the
> > outboard, trailer, 3 kayaks, a canoe, all my dive gear, and a bunch of
> > camping, kayaking, and boating gear stored there.  I studied the county
> map
> > last night and I?m going to try another route today.  I?d like to know if
> > the storage facility is damaged or is even there anymore before I contact
> > my insurance agent.
> >
> > Otherwise, things is dull!
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> >    S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

From a_czerwonky at yahoo.com  Thu May 21 17:36:07 2020
From: a_czerwonky at yahoo.com (Art Czerwonky)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 21:36:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
In-Reply-To: <F1D1731D-CE3B-4967-95E5-116B782E678C@gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR05MB577404DCBCCDCDE103F835D4BDB60@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
 <F1D1731D-CE3B-4967-95E5-116B782E678C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <500530721.2053461.1590096967061@mail.yahoo.com>

Even with the bulkhead you want to have a compression post.? I have seen the results without.Art

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 2:24 PM, Goodness<spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:   Ahhh the Rhodes Rhot!!? The rot is a key component of the recycling program! Lol!
? Dont know who the poster was about the new 1992 Rhodes rotting out but looks like you removed the bulkhead.? You must put in some sort of a compression post to support your mast if you remove the bulkhead.


> On May 20, 2020, at 5:42 PM, John Keyser <retro53 at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks! The cosmetic condition of the bulkhead was not good when I got the boat, having been damaged by old leaks. So, I just glued some automotive carpeting on the cabin side (along with the visible inner hull surfaces). On the side that faces the head, I sanded it down and covered it with a couple of coats of white topside paint to have a surface that's bright and easily cleaned.
> 
> John
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:30 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
> 
> Nice: I like the look of the bulkhear. What is on it?
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Retro53
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:49 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
> 
> Hi. When I bought my 1980 Rhodes three years ago, the flooring was just
> plywood (hopefully marine) covered with a small piece of vinyl in the head
> area. Since the floor seemed to be sound but nasty-looking, I cleaned it up
> and covered it with vinyl plank flooring strips from my local home
> improvement store, and finished the edges with stained wood trim. So far,
> it's all held up well. Here's a before and after view.
> Good Luck,
> John
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/016.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20180731_124100.
> jpg>
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>   

From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Fri May 22 11:08:32 2020
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 11:08:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?We=E2=80=99re_Still_Here!?=
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVroigrGJML8hLUBihf0vhwusGKKE4HC0koBEk4ZfNDQw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVroigrGJML8hLUBihf0vhwusGKKE4HC0koBEk4ZfNDQw@mail.gmail.com>
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Roger:  Very glad you fared well will the flood.  Keep us informed.  A blessing to be alive, intact and with power.  Anxiously awaiting your storage unit report.  If you need anything from the Rhodes community let me know.  

Yes Chris I think all sailors have a McGyver gene or two!  I worry about where our hobby is going.  I have been passing the skills on to my three boys.  I ?gave? my oldest my Rhodes,  trying to encourage him to Continue to sail instead of gaming!  I did manage to get him sailing over the last 2 months and i think its working.
Bob
(St Johns river) 

> On May 21, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey Art,
>   If the original "McGyver" of the R22's and life in general is still the
> Roger I remember then all will be well for you.  Good luck and take care.
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
> 
>> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:01 PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I will second that   Art
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> 
>>  On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM, Mike Riter<mike at traildesign.com>
>> wrote:   Roger, one of the things I admire most about sailors is their
>> ability to
>> remain calm in adverse conditions. The way you've reported the dam failure
>> and flooding reflects that. Well done!
>> 
>> I hope all your things at the storage place have survived. Even with
>> insurance the amount of work to replace everything would be immense.
>> 
>> Best of luck to you!
>> 
>> Michael Riter
>> SV Emma B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:07 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> We?re still sheltering in place at our house.  We have no electricity,
>>> cable TV, landline telephone, or cable internet.  Fortunately, the cell
>>> phone still works!  Our standby generator has been running continuously
>>> since Tuesday evening.
>>> 
>>> The water level in Sanford Lake has crested and is now falling slowly.
>>> The radio says Sanford dam was breached.  But, it must still be standing
>> or
>>> the water level would be down dramatically.  I suspect they mean the dam
>>> was overtopped and water was flowing thru the emergency spillway. Sanford
>>> dam upgraded their emergency spillway in 2013 to be able to handle a 500
>>> year flood.  So far, the upgrade seems to be working.  Inadequate
>>> emergency spillway capacity was the primary  issue that caused FERC to
>>> cancel the Wixom dam?s operating permit in 2018.  Wixom dam has two
>>> concrete structures that house the flood gates and hydroelectric
>>> generators.  But, these concrete structures are linked by ~1/2 mile of
>>> earthen berm that was really the majority of the dam.  From the on-line
>>> pictures I?ve seen, it appears it was this earthen berm that failed.
>>> 
>>> Deb and I drove around the area yesterday morning.  We verified our
>> escape
>>> route.  We found there was a gas station and grocery store open in
>>> Beaverton.  So, we filled up the minivan and bought some groceries.
>>> 
>>> The Curtis Road bridge at the north end of Sanford Lake has been
>>> destroyed!  Actually, the steel center span is still standing.  But, ~100
>>> yards of the western approach to the bridge has been washed away.  So,
>> you
>>> can?t get anywhere near the center span.  Many houses in the area near
>> the
>>> bridge are gone, nothing left but their foundations.  You can also see
>> the
>>> severed water main, power cables, fiber optic cables for cable TV and
>>> internet hanging from the bridge structure.  I think it?s going to a long
>>> time before all the utilities are restored to the west side of the lake.
>>> Fortunately, we get our water from a well.  As long as our natural gas
>>> fired generator keeps running, we?re in good shape.  The natural gas
>>> pipeline doesn?t cross the Curtis Road bridge.  The pipeline runs up the
>>> west side of the lake from the south.  We are near the northern end of
>> the
>>> pipeline.  ie, A little north of our house, you start seeing LP gas pigs
>>> in people?s yards.  During the flood, we saw many of these LP gas pigs
>>> floating down the lake!
>>> 
>>> We tried several different routes to get to Johnson Mini Storage on M-30.
>>> But, we were stopped every time by flooded roads or closed bridges.  The
>>> storage facility is located very close to the Wixom dam and I?m worried
>> the
>>> flood waters destroyed it.  We had a lot of stuff, including our RIB, the
>>> outboard, trailer, 3 kayaks, a canoe, all my dive gear, and a bunch of
>>> camping, kayaking, and boating gear stored there.  I studied the county
>> map
>>> last night and I?m going to try another route today.  I?d like to know if
>>> the storage facility is damaged or is even there anymore before I contact
>>> my insurance agent.
>>> 
>>> Otherwise, things is dull!
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>   S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 

From rodellner at mac.com  Fri May 22 11:17:23 2020
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 10:17:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooding Due To Dam Failure
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fo+W1aqK-uvnFg57m958HsozZokJOS8fo=Pc5FYBHdgcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fo+W1aqK-uvnFg57m958HsozZokJOS8fo=Pc5FYBHdgcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FE37E4A1-C782-448A-8A61-D2DD72DA59B5@mac.com>

Roger

Sorry to hear.  Thoughts and prayers. Rod and Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 20, 2020, at 10:44 AM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?So sorry to hear about the terrible situation!  It sounds like you are as
> prepared as you can be to ride things out.  Hoping for the best for you,
> your family and all those affected by this.
> 
>> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 10:16 AM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I was wondering who I knew up that way. So very sorry that so many have
>> been so affected by this disaster. Our best wishes for health, safety
>> and recovery to you, your family and your neighbors.
>> 
>> Mary Lou
>> 
>>> On 5/20/2020 5:34 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> Well, the last 48 hours have been very costly.  My house is on Sanford
>> Lake, the southern most of 4 artificial impoundments on the Tittabawassee
>> River.  Sanford Lake is ~10 miles long and ~1300 acres in area.  I live on
>> the west side of the lake ~7 miles north of the Sanford dam.  Going north
>> from my house, Wixom Lake is about 3 miles away by water.  North of Wixom
>> Lake, there is Smallwood Lake and then north of that, Secord Lake.  Of the
>> 4 lakes, Wixom Lake is the biggest at ~2000 acres.
>>> 
>>> We got ~7 inches of rain starting Sunday afternoon thru Tuesday
>> morning.  At ~14:00 on Tuesday, we got the alert that the Wixom dam had
>> failed.  I was surprised at how slowly the water rose.  With a dam failure,
>> you might expect a ?wall of water? to come roaring thru.  But, it took
>> several hours for the water level to rise.  My house sits on a bluff ~30
>> feet above the water and I had a beach and a 12 ft X 40 ft deck built over
>> the water.  Normally, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium would have been in it?s slip
>> alongside my dock.  But, it was safely on its trailer in my driveway.
>> Anyway, our deck was submerged ~3 feet underwater for ~2 hours in swift
>> current before it failed and was swept away.  Unfortunately, our floating
>> swim platform was tied off to the deck and was swept away with it.  The
>> rack for launching/retrieving/storing our RIB was tied off to a big tree,
>> so it?s still with us.  Once the flood got going, my normally placid lake
>> turned into a 200 yard wide, class 4 rapid in front of my house!  There
>> were standing waves, and whirlpools.  Tons of debris, storage sheds, boats,
>> docks, boat lifts, and uprooted trees went past my house.  The water level
>> rose up to about waist deep on the 1st floor of the houses in the flood
>> plain on the west side of the lake.  Deb & I watched an incredible disaster
>> unfold in slow motion looking out our dining room window.
>>> 
>>> Electricity, cable TV, internet, and landline telephone are all out.  We
>> are running on our natural gas-fired whole house back-up generator.  I am
>> using my i-phone as a mobile hot spot to get on the internet to write
>> this.  We have a well and a septic field and lots of stored food.  Deb and
>> I both have a bag packed and we have an escape route planned if that
>> becomes necessary.  However, we believe we are better off sheltering in
>> place vs. evacuating.  We can live here a long time W/O any assistance.  At
>> our elevation, half of Midland county would have to be flooded before the
>> water would even reach the lower level of my house.
>>> 
>>> Unfortunately, our inflatable Walker Bay RIB, the Honda outboard, and
>> the trailer were all in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, which is very
>> close to the Wixom dam.  I can?t get over there to see; but, I expect the
>> storage facility isn?t there any more!  The radio says the Sanford dam was
>> breached; but, the lake level is still ~10 feet above normal summer pool.
>> So, I presume the Sanford dam is still standing, at least for the moment.
>> The radio also says Secord dam and Smallwood dam are in trouble.  But,
>> although Sanford Lake level is still high, the current has slacked off a
>> lot.  So, the upstream dams, except for Wixom dam must still be standing,
>> again at least for the moment.
>>> 
>>> As bad as we have it, the folks downstream of Sanford dam are in real
>> trouble.  The radio reports record flooding in my hometown of Sanford and
>> in Midland, where I used to work at Dow Chemical.  The Tittabawassee River
>> literally runs right thru the Dow Chemical complex in Midland.  I hope they
>> were able to get all the chemical plants shut down safely!
>>> 
>>> So, although I could have done a few things better, we are both OK and
>> safe.  Life here on Sanford Lake is not going to be ?normal? for a long
>> time.  Even if I replace my dock, I think there is going to be so much
>> debris in the lake that sailing is going to be impossible.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows 10
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>> 
>> 

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Fri May 22 13:17:45 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:17:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saw a Rhodes 22 last summer on Great Sacandaga Lake
	- upstate NY
In-Reply-To: <FE37E4A1-C782-448A-8A61-D2DD72DA59B5@mac.com>
References: <CAMc-3fo+W1aqK-uvnFg57m958HsozZokJOS8fo=Pc5FYBHdgcg@mail.gmail.com>
 <FE37E4A1-C782-448A-8A61-D2DD72DA59B5@mac.com>
Message-ID: <EEE579BD-B817-4EE5-902B-8E755CED033B@yahoo.com>

I was visiting a friend on Sacandaga Lake last summer (early August 2019), we were on his Catalina 22 about a mile south of the Batchellerville bridge and I saw a Rhodes 22 go by.  I forget the color, may have been red. Is that someone on this list?  Just wondering!  

I had never been on a Catalina 22 before - I have to say the cockpit on the Rhodes feels much bigger, there?s a trunk (for the swing keel?) that kind of splits it in 2.  But all sailboats are good.

Larry
s/v Language of Love
Lake George, NY

s/v <Unnamed so far>
Keystone Lake, Tampa, FL


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri May 22 13:24:05 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:24:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?We=E2=80=99re_Still_Here!?=
In-Reply-To: <05654A7D-61E6-4276-ADEB-E56751B55ACD@gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVroigrGJML8hLUBihf0vhwusGKKE4HC0koBEk4ZfNDQw@mail.gmail.com>
 <05654A7D-61E6-4276-ADEB-E56751B55ACD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWjy_Ubv0ugEsAGT2M0sfD3YNE5tc1QCFcDEJZXwu_ZWw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Bob
Great idea with the ?gifting?. If he is involved in sailing he won?t have
any money for other vices (grin)
Chris Geankoplis

On Fri, 22 May 2020 at 10:08, Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com> wrote:

> Roger:  Very glad you fared well will the flood.  Keep us informed.  A
> blessing to be alive, intact and with power.  Anxiously awaiting your
> storage unit report.  If you need anything from the Rhodes community let me
> know.
>
> Yes Chris I think all sailors have a McGyver gene or two!  I worry about
> where our hobby is going.  I have been passing the skills on to my three
> boys.  I ?gave? my oldest my Rhodes,  trying to encourage him to Continue
> to sail instead of gaming!  I did manage to get him sailing over the last 2
> months and i think its working.
> Bob
> (St Johns river)
>
> > On May 21, 2020, at 5:27 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hey Art,
> >   If the original "McGyver" of the R22's and life in general is still the
> > Roger I remember then all will be well for you.  Good luck and take care.
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > ENOSIS
> >
> >> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 1:01 PM Art Czerwonky via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I will second that   Art
> >>
> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>
> >>  On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 12:05 PM, Mike Riter<mike at traildesign.com>
> >> wrote:   Roger, one of the things I admire most about sailors is their
> >> ability to
> >> remain calm in adverse conditions. The way you've reported the dam
> failure
> >> and flooding reflects that. Well done!
> >>
> >> I hope all your things at the storage place have survived. Even with
> >> insurance the amount of work to replace everything would be immense.
> >>
> >> Best of luck to you!
> >>
> >> Michael Riter
> >> SV Emma B
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 8:07 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> We?re still sheltering in place at our house.  We have no electricity,
> >>> cable TV, landline telephone, or cable internet.  Fortunately, the cell
> >>> phone still works!  Our standby generator has been running continuously
> >>> since Tuesday evening.
> >>>
> >>> The water level in Sanford Lake has crested and is now falling slowly.
> >>> The radio says Sanford dam was breached.  But, it must still be
> standing
> >> or
> >>> the water level would be down dramatically.  I suspect they mean the
> dam
> >>> was overtopped and water was flowing thru the emergency spillway.
> Sanford
> >>> dam upgraded their emergency spillway in 2013 to be able to handle a
> 500
> >>> year flood.  So far, the upgrade seems to be working.  Inadequate
> >>> emergency spillway capacity was the primary  issue that caused FERC to
> >>> cancel the Wixom dam?s operating permit in 2018.  Wixom dam has two
> >>> concrete structures that house the flood gates and hydroelectric
> >>> generators.  But, these concrete structures are linked by ~1/2 mile of
> >>> earthen berm that was really the majority of the dam.  From the on-line
> >>> pictures I?ve seen, it appears it was this earthen berm that failed.
> >>>
> >>> Deb and I drove around the area yesterday morning.  We verified our
> >> escape
> >>> route.  We found there was a gas station and grocery store open in
> >>> Beaverton.  So, we filled up the minivan and bought some groceries.
> >>>
> >>> The Curtis Road bridge at the north end of Sanford Lake has been
> >>> destroyed!  Actually, the steel center span is still standing.  But,
> ~100
> >>> yards of the western approach to the bridge has been washed away.  So,
> >> you
> >>> can?t get anywhere near the center span.  Many houses in the area near
> >> the
> >>> bridge are gone, nothing left but their foundations.  You can also see
> >> the
> >>> severed water main, power cables, fiber optic cables for cable TV and
> >>> internet hanging from the bridge structure.  I think it?s going to a
> long
> >>> time before all the utilities are restored to the west side of the
> lake.
> >>> Fortunately, we get our water from a well.  As long as our natural gas
> >>> fired generator keeps running, we?re in good shape.  The natural gas
> >>> pipeline doesn?t cross the Curtis Road bridge.  The pipeline runs up
> the
> >>> west side of the lake from the south.  We are near the northern end of
> >> the
> >>> pipeline.  ie, A little north of our house, you start seeing LP gas
> pigs
> >>> in people?s yards.  During the flood, we saw many of these LP gas pigs
> >>> floating down the lake!
> >>>
> >>> We tried several different routes to get to Johnson Mini Storage on
> M-30.
> >>> But, we were stopped every time by flooded roads or closed bridges.
> The
> >>> storage facility is located very close to the Wixom dam and I?m worried
> >> the
> >>> flood waters destroyed it.  We had a lot of stuff, including our RIB,
> the
> >>> outboard, trailer, 3 kayaks, a canoe, all my dive gear, and a bunch of
> >>> camping, kayaking, and boating gear stored there.  I studied the county
> >> map
> >>> last night and I?m going to try another route today.  I?d like to know
> if
> >>> the storage facility is damaged or is even there anymore before I
> contact
> >>> my insurance agent.
> >>>
> >>> Otherwise, things is dull!
> >>>
> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>   S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri May 22 16:55:06 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 13:55:06 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bimini support attachments to stern rail
Message-ID: <1590180906301-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Peter, 

While watching some of your videos, I noticed that at some point you added
bars that attach your bimini frame to your stern rail.  I was thinking about
doing something similar since that would be a more convenient place to store
the bimini when not in use.  When it is stored forward against the cabin it
makes it a bit more challenging to see forward.  Since she is shorter,
visibility is more of an issue for my wife as she learns to skipper.  That
would be great if you could share any info you have on model / dimensions /
source.  

Thanks again for making all the videos.  In your most recent video, I think
you mentioned that you'll be working on a video describing your anchoring
process.  I am looking forward to seeing how all your modifications (bow
roller, rode bags in the lazarette) come together.  

For any others that may have added supports to store the bimini aft, feel
free to chime in.  

Thanks!

Jesse
S/V Zephyr



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From retro53 at msn.com  Fri May 22 17:04:22 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 21:04:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
In-Reply-To: <F1D1731D-CE3B-4967-95E5-116B782E678C@gmail.com>
References: <SN6PR05MB577404DCBCCDCDE103F835D4BDB60@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>,
 <F1D1731D-CE3B-4967-95E5-116B782E678C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB57741B354433A618392C2F4CBDB40@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi. Don't know if that last post on this thread was for me, but the bulkhead was essentially sound, and there is a sturdy compression post in place too. Cabin roof seems strong with no flexing or cracks.

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Goodness <spreadgoodnews at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 2:24 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring

Ahhh the Rhodes Rhot!!  The rot is a key component of the recycling program! Lol!
  Dont know who the poster was about the new 1992 Rhodes rotting out but looks like you removed the bulkhead.  You must put in some sort of a compression post to support your mast if you remove the bulkhead.


> On May 20, 2020, at 5:42 PM, John Keyser <retro53 at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Thanks! The cosmetic condition of the bulkhead was not good when I got the boat, having been damaged by old leaks. So, I just glued some automotive carpeting on the cabin side (along with the visible inner hull surfaces). On the side that faces the head, I sanded it down and covered it with a couple of coats of white topside paint to have a surface that's bright and easily cleaned.
>
> John
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 11:30 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
>
> Nice: I like the look of the bulkhear. What is on it?
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Retro53
> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2020 9:49 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Flooring
>
> Hi. When I bought my 1980 Rhodes three years ago, the flooring was just
> plywood (hopefully marine) covered with a small piece of vinyl in the head
> area. Since the floor seemed to be sound but nasty-looking, I cleaned it up
> and covered it with vinyl plank flooring strips from my local home
> improvement store, and finished the edges with stained wood trim. So far,
> it's all held up well. Here's a before and after view.
> Good Luck,
> John
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/016.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t944/thumbnail_20180731_124100.
> jpg>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri May 22 17:57:55 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 17:57:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bimini support attachments to stern rail
In-Reply-To: <1590180906301-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1590180906301-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <105EAB9F-E583-4F80-83F4-3038169134C8@sunnybeeches.com>

Jesse,

The idea for the bimini support struts came from the list archives somewhere, indicating yet again what a useful resource they can be.

These are not an off-the-shelf item, but they?re pretty easy to put together from easy to find parts.  I?m sure I sourced mine from Defender (defender.com <http://defender.com/>).  To find the right section on the Defender website, choose ?Deck & Cockpit? from their main menu, then the sub-category ?DIY Railing?.

Both my bimini tubing and stern rail tubing were 7/8? diameter.  You?ll want to check yours before you order parts.  Hopefully, they are either 7/8? or 1?.  Below the ?DIY Railing? sub-category, there are sub-sub-categories for ?7/8 inch Rail Fittings?, ?1 inch Rail Fittings?, and ?Bimini Hardware Fittings?.  Things are not as well organized as they might be, so you may have to poke around some to find what you?re looking for.

The first item you need is called a ?Hinged Top Slide?.  These can attach to existing railings without needing to slide on from an end.  For 7/8? tubing, the Defender item # is 756056.  You?ll need 4 of these.

The next item is a ?Top Cap?.  These will attach to the ?Top Slides? and to the support tubing.  For 7/8? tubing, the Defender item # is 756027.  You?ll also need 4 of these.

Finally, you?ll need some tubing.  This is in the ?S/S Steel Tubing? sub-sub-category.   The choices here are two diameters (7/8? and 1?), and two wall thicknesses (regular and heavy duty).  7/8? regular is more than sufficient.  When I measured for the length of the support tubing I did it by setting up the bimini with the existing webbing straps, attaching Top Slides and Top Caps where they seemed appropriate, and then taking the measurement.  I ended up with slightly different lengths for port and starboard, but I figured it was safer to use what my ruler was telling me rather than insisting that the boat be symmetrical. They were both about 14?.  Assuming you find something similar, I?m guessing that when you take shipping into account, two 2? pieces of tubing will be cheaper than one 4? piece.

Sorry that I can?t attach any pictures, but I haven?t yet put the bimini on the boat this spring.

Best of luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)



> On May 22, 2020, at 4:55 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter, 
> 
> While watching some of your videos, I noticed that at some point you added
> bars that attach your bimini frame to your stern rail.  I was thinking about
> doing something similar since that would be a more convenient place to store
> the bimini when not in use.  When it is stored forward against the cabin it
> makes it a bit more challenging to see forward.  Since she is shorter,
> visibility is more of an issue for my wife as she learns to skipper.  That
> would be great if you could share any info you have on model / dimensions /
> source.  
> 
> Thanks again for making all the videos.  In your most recent video, I think
> you mentioned that you'll be working on a video describing your anchoring
> process.  I am looking forward to seeing how all your modifications (bow
> roller, rode bags in the lazarette) come together.  
> 
> For any others that may have added supports to store the bimini aft, feel
> free to chime in.  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Jesse
> S/V Zephyr
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri May 22 18:08:07 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:08:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bimini support attachments to stern rail
In-Reply-To: <105EAB9F-E583-4F80-83F4-3038169134C8@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <1590180906301-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <105EAB9F-E583-4F80-83F4-3038169134C8@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <1590185287363-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Peter, thanks for your prompt and detailed response.  I'll do some measuring
for parts tomorrow and post an update on this thread with a few photos once
it all comes together.



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From retro53 at msn.com  Fri May 22 18:31:15 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 22:31:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bimini support attachments to stern rail
In-Reply-To: <1590180906301-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1590180906301-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR05MB5774406F4EB4FCCC65888C85BDB40@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Jesse,

I took a little different approach to bimini storage. I just added two bimini leg holders (don't know if it's the correct term, but that's what they are) a bit aft of the ones that I use when the top's up. When not in use, I can fold it up, move it back to the aft set of holders, flip the main sheet over it, and it just stays there. I don't have pictures specifically of this, but here are some pics which can give you a general idea. In the pictures of the cockpit, you can make out the second set of holders between the winch and the forward leg of the stern rail.  Speaking of biminis, I also added zippers (mine didn't have them and I had to disassemble the frame to get the top off) to the sleeves that fit over the frame to be able to get it on and off a whole lot easier.

Hope this helps.

John



________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 4:55 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bimini support attachments to stern rail

Peter,

While watching some of your videos, I noticed that at some point you added
bars that attach your bimini frame to your stern rail.  I was thinking about
doing something similar since that would be a more convenient place to store
the bimini when not in use.  When it is stored forward against the cabin it
makes it a bit more challenging to see forward.  Since she is shorter,
visibility is more of an issue for my wife as she learns to skipper.  That
would be great if you could share any info you have on model / dimensions /
source.

Thanks again for making all the videos.  In your most recent video, I think
you mentioned that you'll be working on a video describing your anchoring
process.  I am looking forward to seeing how all your modifications (bow
roller, rode bags in the lazarette) come together.

For any others that may have added supports to store the bimini aft, feel
free to chime in.

Thanks!

Jesse
S/V Zephyr



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri May 22 19:35:48 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 16:35:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bimini support attachments to stern rail
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR05MB5774406F4EB4FCCC65888C85BDB40@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi John, thanks for sharing your setup and photos.  Now I've got some more
options to consider!



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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri May 22 20:49:19 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 00:49:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] M-30 Causeway Over Wixom Lake
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69204A88EA8599F552B365E980B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

?
?Hi All,

The attached photo is the rupture in the M-30 causeway over Wixom Lake.  You can see Stryker?s Marina in the background on the right.
Although the police wouldn?t let me get close enough to take the picture, the M-30 bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville has also sustained major damage.  I was not able to put my eyes on the Johnson Mini Storage facility.
It now appears one would need a shallow draft boat with an engine capable of propelling it upstream against a pretty strong current and then be prepared to hike in to Johnson Mini Storage.  Or a helicopter?  Or, a RIB with a Honda 9.9 hp outboard that was in storage at Johnson Mini Storage?   It looks like I?m not getting to my storage unit, assuming it?s even there anymore, any time soon.

I filed the claim with my insurance agent today.  I let him know about the uncertainty regarding the status and unreachable location of the stuff at Johnson Mini storage.  The adjuster is supposed to be at my house on Friday.   Stay tuned!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat May 23 10:45:49 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 14:45:49 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Finally some good news!
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920A05AEEC0DDE43A92FCB880B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi All,

The attached MS PowerPoint document is a high resolution topo map of the south end of Wixom Lake showing the location of Johnson Mini Storage, the failure point in the Wixom dam and the path of the floodwaters as far south as the Curtis Road bridge.  When the dam failed, the water level was ~10 feet higher than normal summer pool.  As you can see, the Tittabawassee River channel downstream of the dam is a relatively steep sided gorge (i.e. topo contour lines closely spaced).  The Johnson Mini Storage facility sits on top of an ~20 foot high mound relative to the surrounding area.  The flood waters flowed all around the storage facility; but, left it high and dry!  So, although my stuff is safe, the Johnson Mini Storage facility sits between two damaged bridges, the M-30 Causeway over Sanford Lake to the north and the M-30 Bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville to the south.  Until one of these bridges is repaired, there is no way to get to Johnson Mini Storage.  It?s also clear why the floodwaters washed away the western approach to the Curtis Road Bridge.

The other attachment is a link to some U-Tube drone footage shot by one of my neighbors.  He has a car in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, so he has some skin in the game.  This ~5 minute long video clip starts near the western end of the Wixom dam and flies east along the dam until it gets to M-30.  Note, that this is not the part of the dam that failed.  I will try to get some footage of that as well, so stay tuned!  As the drone flies over the flood gates on the Tobacco River side of the dam (i.e. West Arm of Wixom Lake), note that the flood gates are completely closed and there is no flow.  Can someone explain to me why a dam operator would close the flood gates during a flood?  This may have something to do with why the M-30 Causeway got blown out.  At M-30, the drone turns south and follows the road over to Johnson Mini Storage.  Note that all the trees are still standing, the perimeter fence is still there, none of the buildings appear damaged or even water stained, the stored boats are still parked in neat rows, and the white gravel parking lot is not covered in brown mud.  Clearly, this place didn?t even get wet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRJ3MFIpnc&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0x_nxlD_b8P9cEIEyTqnwONukqtcQUkmz2oiXISHtHmTpp_a0I_Fid4Sc

My insurance agent is so overwhelmed with claims that next week Thursday was the soonest I could get an appointment.  So, stay tuned!

Wixom Lake and Sanford Lake are now drained down to the original Tittabawassee River channel.  The ?river? in front of my house is ~80 yards wide with a 2-3 mph current.  Paddle trips from my house just became like 1-way river trips with a put-in, a take-out, and a vehicle shuttle.

We got back all our utilities last night!  Life is good!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sat May 23 15:16:04 2020
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 15:16:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Finally some good news!
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69209F9A74EFD9781BEE101880B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920C778F3E294E48DEB1B8080B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <c83d4f55-779d-6030-6214-fc1048530053@atlanticbb.net>

Such good news Roger. Glad your stuff in storage appears to be safe even 
if you can't get to it but sorry about the lake and your neighbors who 
took a heavier hit. And glad you have your utilities back.

The Powerpoint didn't come through - maybe the list can't handle that 
kind of attachment. In any event it's always good to have friends with 
drones and some skill flying them.

Thanks for the update. We've been thinking about you.

Continued best wishes for a recovery in your part of the world.

Mary Lou

On 5/23/2020 10:45 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The attached MS PowerPoint document is a high resolution topo map of the south end of Wixom Lake showing the location of Johnson Mini Storage, the failure point in the Wixom dam and the path of the floodwaters as far south as the Curtis Road bridge.  When the dam failed, the water level was ~10 feet higher than normal summer pool.  As you can see, the Tittabawassee River channel downstream of the dam is a relatively steep sided gorge (i.e. topo contour lines closely spaced).  The Johnson Mini Storage facility sits on top of an ~20 foot high mound relative to the surrounding area.  The flood waters flowed all around the storage facility; but, left it high and dry!  So, although my stuff is safe, the Johnson Mini Storage facility sits between two damaged bridges, the M-30 Causeway over Sanford Lake to the north and the M-30 Bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville to the south.  Until one of these bridges is repaired, there is no way to get to Johnson Mini Storage.  It?s also clear why the floodwaters washed away the western approach to the Curtis Road Bridge.
>
> The other attachment is a link to some U-Tube drone footage shot by one of my neighbors.  He has a car in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, so he has some skin in the game.  This ~5 minute long video clip starts near the western end of the Wixom dam and flies east along the dam until it gets to M-30.  Note, that this is not the part of the dam that failed.  I will try to get some footage of that as well, so stay tuned!  As the drone flies over the flood gates on the Tobacco River side of the dam (i.e. West Arm of Wixom Lake), note that the flood gates are completely closed and there is no flow.  Can someone explain to me why a dam operator would close the flood gates during a flood?  This may have something to do with why the M-30 Causeway got blown out.  At M-30, the drone turns south and follows the road over to Johnson Mini Storage.  Note that all the trees are still standing, the perimeter fence is still there, none of the buildings appear damaged or even water stained, the stored boats are still parked in neat rows, and the white gravel parking lot is not covered in brown mud.  Clearly, this place didn?t even get wet!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRJ3MFIpnc&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0x_nxlD_b8P9cEIEyTqnwONukqtcQUkmz2oiXISHtHmTpp_a0I_Fid4Sc
>
> My insurance agent is so overwhelmed with claims that next week Thursday was the soonest I could get an appointment.  So, stay tuned!
>
> Wixom Lake and Sanford Lake are now drained down to the original Tittabawassee River channel.  The ?river? in front of my house is ~80 yards wide with a 2-3 mph current.  Paddle trips from my house just became like 1-way river trips with a put-in, a take-out, and a vehicle shuttle.
>
> We got back all our utilities last night!  Life is good!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
>
>



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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat May 23 16:31:38 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 20:31:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Finally some good news!
In-Reply-To: <c83d4f55-779d-6030-6214-fc1048530053@atlanticbb.net>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920C778F3E294E48DEB1B8080B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920A05AEEC0DDE43A92FCB880B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69209F9A74EFD9781BEE101880B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
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Hi Mary Lou

When I first saw the drone video clip, I could hardly believe my eyes!  It seemed like a miracle nearly akin to God parting the Red Sea for Moses.  How could a location so close to a catastrophic dam failure come away unscathed?  When the internet came back last night, I was able to determine the approximate location of the Wixom Dam failure point.  When I overlaid that failure point on the topo map and colored in the appropriate contour elevation, it all became clear.  Although it seems miraculous, it?s really just topography and physics.  Nevertheless, if the dam had failed just a little further west; then, the outcome might have been very different.  For that, I?m willing to accept it as my own personal miracle.  It?s pretty awesome what God can do!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


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From: Mary Lou Troy<mailto:mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 3:16 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Finally some good news!

Such good news Roger. Glad your stuff in storage appears to be safe even
if you can't get to it but sorry about the lake and your neighbors who
took a heavier hit. And glad you have your utilities back.

The Powerpoint didn't come through - maybe the list can't handle that
kind of attachment. In any event it's always good to have friends with
drones and some skill flying them.

Thanks for the update. We've been thinking about you.

Continued best wishes for a recovery in your part of the world.

Mary Lou

On 5/23/2020 10:45 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The attached MS PowerPoint document is a high resolution topo map of the south end of Wixom Lake showing the location of Johnson Mini Storage, the failure point in the Wixom dam and the path of the floodwaters as far south as the Curtis Road bridge.  When the dam failed, the water level was ~10 feet higher than normal summer pool.  As you can see, the Tittabawassee River channel downstream of the dam is a relatively steep sided gorge (i.e. topo contour lines closely spaced).  The Johnson Mini Storage facility sits on top of an ~20 foot high mound relative to the surrounding area.  The flood waters flowed all around the storage facility; but, left it high and dry!  So, although my stuff is safe, the Johnson Mini Storage facility sits between two damaged bridges, the M-30 Causeway over Sanford Lake to the north and the M-30 Bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville to the south.  Until one of these bridges is repaired, there is no way to get to Johnson Mini Storage.  It?s also clear why the floodwaters washed away the western approach to the Curtis Road Bridge.
>
> The other attachment is a link to some U-Tube drone footage shot by one of my neighbors.  He has a car in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, so he has some skin in the game.  This ~5 minute long video clip starts near the western end of the Wixom dam and flies east along the dam until it gets to M-30.  Note, that this is not the part of the dam that failed.  I will try to get some footage of that as well, so stay tuned!  As the drone flies over the flood gates on the Tobacco River side of the dam (i.e. West Arm of Wixom Lake), note that the flood gates are completely closed and there is no flow.  Can someone explain to me why a dam operator would close the flood gates during a flood?  This may have something to do with why the M-30 Causeway got blown out.  At M-30, the drone turns south and follows the road over to Johnson Mini Storage.  Note that all the trees are still standing, the perimeter fence is still there, none of the buildings appear damaged or even water stained, the stored boats are still parked in neat rows, and the white gravel parking lot is not covered in brown mud.  Clearly, this place didn?t even get wet!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRJ3MFIpnc&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0x_nxlD_b8P9cEIEyTqnwONukqtcQUkmz2oiXISHtHmTpp_a0I_Fid4Sc
>
> My insurance agent is so overwhelmed with claims that next week Thursday was the soonest I could get an appointment.  So, stay tuned!
>
> Wixom Lake and Sanford Lake are now drained down to the original Tittabawassee River channel.  The ?river? in front of my house is ~80 yards wide with a 2-3 mph current.  Paddle trips from my house just became like 1-way river trips with a put-in, a take-out, and a vehicle shuttle.
>
> We got back all our utilities last night!  Life is good!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
>
>



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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat May 23 19:03:58 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 23:03:58 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Resending Path Of The Flood Waters From Wixom Dam
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69205E244FAAA97CC7CF48EA80B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920C778F3E294E48DEB1B8080B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
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 <CH2PR02MB69209F9A74EFD9781BEE101880B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
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Hi All,

Mary Lou Troy told me my PowerPoint topo map got stripped off for the list.  Perhaps the file size is too big.  So, here is a screen shot of the topo map image.  Hopefully, the list will allow this image.  This should make the previous post more understandable.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
[cid:image003.png at 01D63134.E87A2DF0]


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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 10:53 AM
To: Troop 767 Group e-mail<mailto:troop767 at troop767.net>
Subject: Finally some good news!

Hi All,

The attached MS PowerPoint document is a high resolution topo map of the south end of Wixom Lake showing the location of Johnson Mini Storage, the failure point in the Wixom dam and the path of the floodwaters as far south as the Curtis Road bridge.  When the dam failed, the water level was ~10 feet higher than normal summer pool.  As you can see, the Tittabawassee River channel downstream of the dam is a relatively steep sided gorge (i.e. topo contour lines closely spaced).  The Johnson Mini Storage facility sits on top of an ~20 foot high mound relative to the surrounding area.  The flood waters flowed all around the storage facility; but, left it high and dry!  So, although my stuff is safe, the Johnson Mini Storage facility sits between two damaged bridges, the M-30 Causeway over Wixom Lake to the north and the M-30 Bridge over the Tittabawassee River in Edenville to the south.  Until one of these bridges is repaired, there is no way to get to Johnson Mini Storage.  It?s also clear why the floodwaters washed away the western approach to the Curtis Road Bridge.

The other attachment is a link to some U-Tube drone footage shot by one of my neighbors.  He has a car in storage at Johnson Mini Storage, so he has some skin in the game.  This ~5 minute long video clip starts near the western end of the Wixom dam and flies east along the dam until it gets to M-30.  Note, that this is not the part of the dam that failed.  I will try to get some footage of that as well, so stay tuned!  As the drone flies over the flood gates on the Tobacco River side of the dam (i.e. West Arm of Wixom Lake), note that the flood gates are completely closed and there is no flow.  Can someone explain to me why a dam operator would close the flood gates during a flood?  This may have something to do with why the M-30 Causeway got blown out.  At M-30, the drone turns south and follows the road over to Johnson Mini Storage.  Note that all the trees are still standing, the perimeter fence is still there, none of the buildings appear damaged or even water stained, the stored boats are still parked in neat rows, and the white gravel parking lot is not covered in brown mud.  Clearly, this place didn?t even get wet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZRJ3MFIpnc&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0x_nxlD_b8P9cEIEyTqnwONukqtcQUkmz2oiXISHtHmTpp_a0I_Fid4Sc

My insurance agent is so overwhelmed with claims that next week Thursday was the soonest I could get an appointment.  So, stay tuned!

Wixom Lake and Sanford Lake are now drained down to the original Tittabawassee River channel.  The ?river? in front of my house is ~80 yards wide with a 2-3 mph current.  Paddle trips from my house just became like 1-way river trips with a put-in, a take-out, and a vehicle shuttle.

We got back all our utilities last night!  Life is good!

Roger Pihlaja
ASM T767

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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat May 23 21:30:53 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 21:30:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Allowable Attachments to the List
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I?m surprised Mike hasn?t piped up on this, but my recollection is that the software that manages the list has been configured to only allow a small number of files types.  The file types are identified by the file name extension (e.g. ?.jpg?).  Allowable extensions include basically those associated with images (so Roger?s ?.png? screen shot came through).  Some years ago the ?.pdf? extension was added to the allowable list.  

From the group mailing list home page: " You may include certain attachments to your messages. Most image files and plain text files will be accepted as well as PDF files. Other file types will be stripped out of the message before posting. Maximum message size is about 3.5Mb (+/-). That can be one big attachment or several smaller ones."

These restrictions reflect the state of technology at the time the list was created.  My only purpose for this post is to make people aware, so they will be less likely to be surprised by the limitations.

Thank you Mike, for all you do to keep the list running.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016}

> On May 23, 2020, at 7:03 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Mary Lou Troy told me my PowerPoint topo map got stripped off for the list.  Perhaps the file size is too big.  So, here is a screen shot of the topo map image.  Hopefully, the list will allow this image.  This should make the previous post more understandable.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat May 23 22:11:24 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 21:11:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Allowable Attachments to the List
In-Reply-To: <A9F5046E-552B-49CB-916E-625A4D6DD143@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920C778F3E294E48DEB1B8080B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqtnkgzSCNexYyfrFNtwgjRXzUYG36rMhcrtp16GeZ+=A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to Peter for the details and thanks so much to Mike for keeping this
list going.  The collective knowledge of Rhodies is incredibly helpful!

On Sat, May 23, 2020, 8:31 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I?m surprised Mike hasn?t piped up on this, but my recollection is that
> the software that manages the list has been configured to only allow a
> small number of files types.  The file types are identified by the file
> name extension (e.g. ?.jpg?).  Allowable extensions include basically those
> associated with images (so Roger?s ?.png? screen shot came through).  Some
> years ago the ?.pdf? extension was added to the allowable list.
>
> From the group mailing list home page: " You may include certain
> attachments to your messages. Most image files and plain text files will be
> accepted as well as PDF files. Other file types will be stripped out of the
> message before posting. Maximum message size is about 3.5Mb (+/-). That can
> be one big attachment or several smaller ones."
>
> These restrictions reflect the state of technology at the time the list
> was created.  My only purpose for this post is to make people aware, so
> they will be less likely to be surprised by the limitations.
>
> Thank you Mike, for all you do to keep the list running.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016}
>
> > On May 23, 2020, at 7:03 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Mary Lou Troy told me my PowerPoint topo map got stripped off for the
> list.  Perhaps the file size is too big.  So, here is a screen shot of the
> topo map image.  Hopefully, the list will allow this image.  This should
> make the previous post more understandable.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>

From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Sun May 24 08:40:43 2020
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 12:40:43 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The bridges won't be fixed anytime soon
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920771B712BDA208E78237880B20@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

I received the following from Bill Mayhew at MDOT:


From Bill Mayhew,

This rainstorm was devasting!  My son's house was flooded with 3 feet of water in the main floor.
I've spent the week assessing the damage to the roads and bridges in the area.  The roads are fine, and we have them as opened as we can get them for now.  The bridges are another story.  We were able to open M-20 all the way from Midland through Mt. Pleasant yesterday.  M-30 is open up to Edenville.  Do NOT take M-30 thinking you will be able to get north.  Curtis Road is shut off and M-30 is shut off due to the devastation.  You will have to find another route such as US-10 to M-18 to M-61.
We are hoping to have the US-10 bridges over Sanford Lake open for Eastbound traffic in 1-2 weeks.  The West bound is another story.  We are hoping to get that open in about 3 weeks.
M-30 bridges:  WOW!  The bridge in the Wixom Lake Causeway is GONE and the abutments are gone too.  That will be a complete reconstruct.  Possibly wider and higher that the previous one, time will tell on that.  The M-30 bridge over the Tittabawassee River on the north side of Edenville will be demolished and rebuilt.  There is no timeline on them at this point.  We are concentrating on US-10 for now.  The M-30 bridge will likely be demolished this summer.  The reconstruction is a least a year out from starting- we need to assess the river and all.  Right now there is still a LOT of water coming through there and it is not safe to try to do any close inspections.  STAY AWAY from these areas!  They are not safe with the water flowing and the saturated soil.  There are barricades- do not cross them.
I do not have any information at this time on the Curtis Road bridge.  It is owned by Midland County.  They are assessing it.  They have great people and I am sure they are working on it, and making plans on what needs to be done.
Stay safe everyone, we will get through this.

So, the two bridges we need repaired to get to Johnson Mini Storage are both going to have to be first torn down and then reconstructed.  We might not get access for years?  With M-20 reopening, getting in to Midland is now possible.  But, it involves a circuitous 45 mile 1-way trip that used to be only 21 miles.  Living on the west side of Sanford Lake has become sort of like living in some sort of dystopic gated community.  There is only one way in and out, there are police everywhere, helicopters and fixed wing aircraft overhead, and we even have a moat!

Most of our home town of Sanford is destroyed.  We didn?t get any USPS snail mail for 3 days.  When I saw my mail carrier on Friday, she told me they?ve moved operations to Coleman, another small town to the west.  Any mail that was in the Sanford Post Office on Tuesday was destroyed.  If there were any bills, does that mean I still have to pay them? ?

Midland had record flooding and huge problems with their water and sewage systems.  There are something like 10K Midland residents in shelters even now.  Many homes are unlivable due to sewage backing up.  Fortunately, there have been no fatalities to date.  But, they need to keep moving on the cleanup or we could be looking at water borne diseases like cholera and dysentery.  If they even have city water service, they?ve been under a boil water advisory since Wednesday, although I think that?s ending today.

On a sour note, Governor Gretchen Whitmer has extended our ?Safe At Home? state shutdown until June 12th.  ?

Other than that, things is dull!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sun May 24 10:33:20 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 10:33:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] PowerPoint test
Message-ID: <001b01d631d8$4698e310$d3caa930$@ebsmed.com>

PowerPoint attachment tes

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Sun May 24 10:49:16 2020
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 10:49:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] PowerPoint test
In-Reply-To: <001b01d631d8$4698e310$d3caa930$@ebsmed.com>
References: <001b01d631d8$4698e310$d3caa930$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMBQ_iub1i7KgCgpS24wazcZo39Q7Bf9kZPZEv2iGNAeEg@mail.gmail.com>

Nope

On Sun, May 24, 2020, 10:33 Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> PowerPoint attachment tes
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> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
>
>
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sun May 24 11:00:54 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:00:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Allowable Attachments to the List
In-Reply-To: <A9F5046E-552B-49CB-916E-625A4D6DD143@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920C778F3E294E48DEB1B8080B50@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <002301d631dc$207c46f0$6174d4d0$@ebsmed.com>

Thank you Peter for pinch hitting when I try to take a few days off from the list. The size limit on attachments is 12mb, now.  When I took over management of da list, I think it was still around 5mb. There are still email servers that choke on attachments over 8mb, as hard as that is to believe.

I just checked if PowerPoint (pptx) files are passed to the list. They are removed without ceremony. Neither the poster or the admin (me) receives any notification of their disposition. I believe that they were never added to the permitted attachments list. I am not sure that we need them since a pdf of the ppt is generally accepted.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 9:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Allowable Attachments to the List

I?m surprised Mike hasn?t piped up on this, but my recollection is that the software that manages the list has been configured to only allow a small number of files types.  The file types are identified by the file name extension (e.g. ?.jpg?).  Allowable extensions include basically those associated with images (so Roger?s ?.png? screen shot came through).  Some years ago the ?.pdf? extension was added to the allowable list.  

>From the group mailing list home page: " You may include certain attachments to your messages. Most image files and plain text files will be accepted as well as PDF files. Other file types will be stripped out of the message before posting. Maximum message size is about 3.5Mb (+/-). That can be one big attachment or several smaller ones."

These restrictions reflect the state of technology at the time the list was created.  My only purpose for this post is to make people aware, so they will be less likely to be surprised by the limitations.

Thank you Mike, for all you do to keep the list running.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016}

> On May 23, 2020, at 7:03 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Mary Lou Troy told me my PowerPoint topo map got stripped off for the list.  Perhaps the file size is too big.  So, here is a screen shot of the topo map image.  Hopefully, the list will allow this image.  This should make the previous post more understandable.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sun May 24 11:04:16 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:04:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
Message-ID: <002501d631dc$98f97620$caec6260$@ebsmed.com>

I enjoy watching Peter's videos and reading Bill Wickham's and Chris'
adventures as well. I think that we need to revamp the Rhodes22.org website
to showcase the posted contributions from all Rhodies. Maybe several
sections, each devoted to different topics such as sailing, maintenance,
projects, sailing adventures and, of course, my favorite, how we learn from
our mistakes. We certainly have the content. Volunteers?

 

On this Memorial Day weekend, please take a moment to remember those who
gave their lives so that we may enjoy our freedom.

 

Mike

s/v Wind Lass ('91)

Nissequogue River, NY

 

 


From cgeisser12345 at gmail.com  Sun May 24 14:34:57 2020
From: cgeisser12345 at gmail.com (Carl Geisser)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 11:34:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rub rail upkeep
In-Reply-To: <1589892702999-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589892702999-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1590345297375-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

For vinyl, this stuff seems to work great
https://www.wholesalemarine.com/303-aerospace-uv-protectant/?gclid=CjwKCAjwtqj2BRBYEiwAqfzur4uB3hIO8YPhnXfxPtqIBFP286GjhMcF8fmzdmZlwpli7ccX_BGAFBoCo10QAvD_BwE

Never really thought about rub rail needing maint, mine is black, but now
that you mention it, sounds like a good idea.

Carl



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun May 24 16:51:05 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 16:51:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
In-Reply-To: <002501d631dc$98f97620$caec6260$@ebsmed.com>
References: <002501d631dc$98f97620$caec6260$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <66C02D10-3775-4FF4-ADB1-2D3C005A5684@sunnybeeches.com>

Mike,

I?d be happy to try to help with whatever it is you?ve got in mind.  I haven?t done any IT type work in years, but I still seem to be a able to figure stuff out when I need to.

?Peter

> On May 24, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> I enjoy watching Peter's videos and reading Bill Wickham's and Chris'
> adventures as well. I think that we need to revamp the Rhodes22.org website
> to showcase the posted contributions from all Rhodies. Maybe several
> sections, each devoted to different topics such as sailing, maintenance,
> projects, sailing adventures and, of course, my favorite, how we learn from
> our mistakes. We certainly have the content. Volunteers?
> 
> 
> 
> On this Memorial Day weekend, please take a moment to remember those who
> gave their lives so that we may enjoy our freedom.
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> 
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Sun May 24 17:44:30 2020
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (luis.guzman.ve)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 17:44:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
In-Reply-To: <66C02D10-3775-4FF4-ADB1-2D3C005A5684@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <5ecaeac1.1c69fb81.1ab32.2df3@mx.google.com>

I would love to help with this ptmroject. I'm an Intranet & Applications Developer with Southeastern Guide Dogs.Luis?S/V Aquetxali'83 Rhodes 22Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 5/24/20  4:51 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website Mike,I?d be happy to try to help with whatever it is you?ve got in mind.? I haven?t done any IT type work in years, but I still seem to be a able to figure stuff out when I need to.?Peter> On May 24, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:> > I enjoy watching Peter's videos and reading Bill Wickham's and Chris'> adventures as well. I think that we need to revamp the Rhodes22.org website> to showcase the posted contributions from all Rhodies. Maybe several> sections, each devoted to different topics such as sailing, maintenance,> projects, sailing adventures and, of course, my favorite, how we learn from> our mistakes. We certainly have the content. Volunteers?> > > > On this Memorial Day weekend, please take a moment to remember those who> gave their lives so that we may enjoy our freedom.> > > > Mike> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)> > Nissequogue River, NY> > > > > 

From oehecht at gmail.com  Sun May 24 17:58:20 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 17:58:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for only
	a little while longer
Message-ID: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>

Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled the boat
too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull it. I
just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts and now
I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white piece of
laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy it by
prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be removable?  I
cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have to head
home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!

From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Sun May 24 18:01:55 2020
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:01:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
In-Reply-To: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9Z3vT_5A7AoZpLqwMZj6BQB-Y02TjU2J0ynY7QSkr7kvw@mail.gmail.com>

The pic didn?t come through?

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled the boat
> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull it. I
> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts and now
> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white piece of
> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy it by
> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be removable?  I
> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have to head
> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
>
-- 


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180

From oehecht at gmail.com  Sun May 24 18:06:06 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:06:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9Z3vT_5A7AoZpLqwMZj6BQB-Y02TjU2J0ynY7QSkr7kvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9Z3vT_5A7AoZpLqwMZj6BQB-Y02TjU2J0ynY7QSkr7kvw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUHJmQLcKe9hEUk+jYGv9HqF6YGqW5iqniU0p1emJg2o2QMKw@mail.gmail.com>

Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white piece is
glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> The pic didn?t come through?
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled the boat
> > too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull it. I
> > just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts and
> now
> > I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white piece
> of
> > laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy it by
> > prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be removable?  I
> > cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
> > inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have to
> head
> > home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
> >
> --
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
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From oehecht at gmail.com  Sun May 24 18:12:30 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:12:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
In-Reply-To: <CALbDJ9Z3vT_5A7AoZpLqwMZj6BQB-Y02TjU2J0ynY7QSkr7kvw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>
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My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes through...

Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white piece is
glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.


On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:

> The pic didn?t come through?
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled the boat
> > too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull it. I
> > just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts and
> now
> > I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white piece
> of
> > laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy it by
> > prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be removable?  I
> > cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
> > inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have to
> head
> > home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
> >
> --
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun May 24 19:00:04 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:00:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
In-Reply-To: <5ecaeac1.1c69fb81.1ab32.2df3@mx.google.com>
References: <66C02D10-3775-4FF4-ADB1-2D3C005A5684@sunnybeeches.com>
 <5ecaeac1.1c69fb81.1ab32.2df3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWgZD97-AyfORB77gnBgDM42f1CxRBCcwGGhDUy6FErOg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Luis, let me know the files you need or I can send you any R-22 logs of
my trips and projects and you can arrange them however you like.  Thanks
for doing this I know I will enjoy reading everyone?s contributions.
Especially since I am Rhodeless at the moment.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 16:44, luis.guzman.ve <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I would love to help with this ptmroject. I'm an Intranet & Applications
> Developer with Southeastern Guide Dogs.Luis S/V Aquetxali'83 Rhodes 22Sent
> from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 5/24/20  4:51 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The
> Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re:
> [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website Mike,I?d be happy to try to help with
> whatever it is you?ve got in mind.  I haven?t done any IT type work in
> years, but I still seem to be a able to figure stuff out when I need
> to.?Peter> On May 24, 2020, at 11:04 AM, Michael D. Weisner <
> mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:> > I enjoy watching Peter's videos and
> reading Bill Wickham's and Chris'> adventures as well. I think that we need
> to revamp the Rhodes22.org website> to showcase the posted contributions
> from all Rhodies. Maybe several> sections, each devoted to different topics
> such as sailing, maintenance,> projects, sailing adventures and, of course,
> my favorite, how we learn from> our mistakes. We certainly have the
> content. Volunteers?> > > > On this Memorial Day weekend, please take a
> moment to remember those who> gave their lives so that we may enjoy our
> freedom.> > > > Mike> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)> > Nissequogue River, NY> > > >
> >

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun May 24 19:17:32 2020
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 19:17:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
In-Reply-To: <CAGUHJmTwf4=gTN3M50b36ut118PMKw4RQipexR041KLXxJv98g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9Z3vT_5A7AoZpLqwMZj6BQB-Y02TjU2J0ynY7QSkr7kvw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <8cf82e5a-17e1-1073-a097-bd325b783960@atlanticbb.net>

Hi Olivier,

The laminate is not standard R22 construction.

At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget what, 
maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the raising system 
and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart and 
discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan about 
it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said something 
to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't leaking, we found 
another way to do what we were going to do and forgot about it. In fact 
I didn't realize I still had the exchange with Stan in an old email 
program until now.

After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the 
subject from 2003 were:

"So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of the 
trunk and
neoprene gasket.? The question then is was there any leakage between the 
fiberglass
gasket and the cb trunk lip?? If no then I would leave it in place and 
just use a
jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb trunk - 
it should
cut easily since it is probably not very thick? If on the other hand 
there was
leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do whatever is 
necessary
to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the trunk lip to
receive the neoprene gasket."

As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided not 
to mess with it.

Sorry this isn't more help.

Mary Lou


On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes through...
>
> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white piece is
> glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.
>
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The pic didn?t come through?
>>
>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled the boat
>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull it. I
>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts and
>> now
>>> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white piece
>> of
>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy it by
>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be removable?  I
>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
>>> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have to
>> head
>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
>>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>
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From mike at traildesign.com  Sun May 24 20:01:22 2020
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 20:01:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furler tensioner updated
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo-i-hK3Q7KO4a63=rAb=ZJ_s+pa7dCoj+Mbzm95fqdWLw@mail.gmail.com>

I've been working with a friend of mine (CoolCNCStuff.com) to make a
tensioner for the Genoa furler on my Rhodes. We've been through a few
different prototypes, but finally have something that works the way I hoped
it would. The idea was to make a SIMPLE device that would hold tension on
the line so I don't have to worry about it when deploying the genoa. This
will make single handing much easier and end the potential rats nest snarl
that happens when the line drops below the furler because I can't remember
to hang onto it when running out the genoa.

Here are a couple photos, one shows the tensioner and the other shows how
nice the line coils on the furler while using the tensioner. If anyone's
interested in seeing it in action here is a link to 2 youtube videos I made
while deploying then furling the genoa.
https://youtu.be/wwsH9xFgWYU
https://youtu.be/NQTuE34GOKE

Michael Riter
SV Emma B
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From stan at generalboats.com  Sun May 24 20:17:00 2020
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 20:17:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
In-Reply-To: <8cf82e5a-17e1-1073-a097-bd325b783960@atlanticbb.net>
References: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9Z3vT_5A7AoZpLqwMZj6BQB-Y02TjU2J0ynY7QSkr7kvw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGUHJmTwf4=gTN3M50b36ut118PMKw4RQipexR041KLXxJv98g@mail.gmail.com>
 <8cf82e5a-17e1-1073-a097-bd325b783960@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <b9096f8e-873e-9346-9456-6ac3dd11f287@generalboats.com>

Mary Lou,

since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report what my 
now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.

A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a 
ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the cb in 
the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.

The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white 
whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be 
fixed.? AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB DESIGNED 
IT TO BE.


On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> Hi Olivier,
>
> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
>
> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget 
> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the raising 
> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart 
> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan 
> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said 
> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't 
> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and 
> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange 
> with Stan in an old email program until now.
>
> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the 
> subject from 2003 were:
>
> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of 
> the trunk and
> neoprene gasket.? The question then is was there any leakage between 
> the fiberglass
> gasket and the cb trunk lip?? If no then I would leave it in place and 
> just use a
> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb trunk - 
> it should
> cut easily since it is probably not very thick? If on the other hand 
> there was
> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do whatever 
> is necessary
> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the trunk 
> lip to
> receive the neoprene gasket."
>
> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided 
> not to mess with it.
>
> Sorry this isn't more help.
>
> Mary Lou
>
>
> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes 
>> through...
>>
>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!? Here they are. That white piece is
>> glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The pic didn?t come through?
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled 
>>>> the boat
>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull 
>>>> it. I
>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts and
>>> now
>>>> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white 
>>>> piece
>>> of
>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy 
>>>> it by
>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be 
>>>> removable?? I
>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
>>>> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have to
>>> head
>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
>>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>>
>>> Richard Beytagh
>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>>
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>


From oehecht at gmail.com  Sun May 24 20:22:23 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 20:22:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
In-Reply-To: <b9096f8e-873e-9346-9456-6ac3dd11f287@generalboats.com>
References: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9Z3vT_5A7AoZpLqwMZj6BQB-Y02TjU2J0ynY7QSkr7kvw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGUHJmTwf4=gTN3M50b36ut118PMKw4RQipexR041KLXxJv98g@mail.gmail.com>
 <8cf82e5a-17e1-1073-a097-bd325b783960@atlanticbb.net>
 <b9096f8e-873e-9346-9456-6ac3dd11f287@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUHJmRC=fGjS0Lus7QrHTmoiGdncV9L_x6Mmi4LPoBQ7GBt1w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Mary Lou...that?s exactly what I suspected and I would have cut that
opening if I?d had a saw with me. Now I?ll decide whether it?s worth
pulling the board in the middle of the season to fix the bottom end or just
put it all together again. Hard to do the latter after taking almost 60
bolts out!

And this was AFTER another boat sideswiped me today. The wind died and I
was drifting at .5 knots with the sails up. There wasn?t  even enough wind
to ruffle the sails. Never seen it that calm in the middle of the river. I
was in the cabin and heard and felt a loud bang...a ~40? boat under power
sideswiped me!  I should have been hard to miss with my sails up and
basically stationary, and he motored right into me. Glad he didn?t t-bone
me. No damage at all...another benefit of the hull shape on the R22 - those
rub rails work!  He had a nice smudge along his port side. Took about an
hour to exchange insurance information since they didn?t have that with
them either. The sailing today was great, but everything else not so much!

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Mary Lou,
>
> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report what my
> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
>
> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the cb in
> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
>
> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB DESIGNED
> IT TO BE.
>
>
> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> > Hi Olivier,
> >
> > The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
> >
> > At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
> > what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the raising
> > system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart
> > and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan
> > about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said
> > something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
> > leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
> > forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange
> > with Stan in an old email program until now.
> >
> > After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the
> > subject from 2003 were:
> >
> > "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of
> > the trunk and
> > neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage between
> > the fiberglass
> > gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in place and
> > just use a
> > jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb trunk -
> > it should
> > cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other hand
> > there was
> > leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do whatever
> > is necessary
> > to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the trunk
> > lip to
> > receive the neoprene gasket."
> >
> > As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided
> > not to mess with it.
> >
> > Sorry this isn't more help.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> >
> > On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> >> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
> >> through...
> >>
> >> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white piece is
> >> glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The pic didn?t come through?
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled
> >>>> the boat
> >>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull
> >>>> it. I
> >>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts and
> >>> now
> >>>> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white
> >>>> piece
> >>> of
> >>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy
> >>>> it by
> >>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
> >>>> removable?  I
> >>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
> >>>> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have to
> >>> head
> >>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >>>
> >>> Richard Beytagh
> >>> Phone: 828 337 0180
> >>>
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> >
> >
>
>

From oehecht at gmail.com  Sun May 24 20:34:37 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 20:34:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
In-Reply-To: <b9096f8e-873e-9346-9456-6ac3dd11f287@generalboats.com>
References: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9Z3vT_5A7AoZpLqwMZj6BQB-Y02TjU2J0ynY7QSkr7kvw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGUHJmTwf4=gTN3M50b36ut118PMKw4RQipexR041KLXxJv98g@mail.gmail.com>
 <8cf82e5a-17e1-1073-a097-bd325b783960@atlanticbb.net>
 <b9096f8e-873e-9346-9456-6ac3dd11f287@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUHJmQWD2wZB_kUQ67aE+zW-qc6MTXp-U4CgRo2bOH2OVVdSg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stan!  It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed in...if not
than definitely glued down well. I think I?d damage the hull interface just
by removing it. I?m thinking about just enlarging the inner opening with a
keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don?t think the slick surface
on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface either...that
might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond boards, or is
it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Mary Lou,
>
> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report what my
> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
>
> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the cb in
> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
>
> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB DESIGNED
> IT TO BE.
>
>
> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> > Hi Olivier,
> >
> > The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
> >
> > At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
> > what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the raising
> > system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart
> > and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan
> > about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said
> > something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
> > leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
> > forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange
> > with Stan in an old email program until now.
> >
> > After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the
> > subject from 2003 were:
> >
> > "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of
> > the trunk and
> > neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage between
> > the fiberglass
> > gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in place and
> > just use a
> > jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb trunk -
> > it should
> > cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other hand
> > there was
> > leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do whatever
> > is necessary
> > to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the trunk
> > lip to
> > receive the neoprene gasket."
> >
> > As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided
> > not to mess with it.
> >
> > Sorry this isn't more help.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> >
> > On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> >> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
> >> through...
> >>
> >> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white piece is
> >> glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The pic didn?t come through?
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled
> >>>> the boat
> >>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull
> >>>> it. I
> >>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts and
> >>> now
> >>>> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white
> >>>> piece
> >>> of
> >>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy
> >>>> it by
> >>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
> >>>> removable?  I
> >>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
> >>>> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have to
> >>> head
> >>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >>>
> >>> Richard Beytagh
> >>> Phone: 828 337 0180
> >>>
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> >> <
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> >
> >
> >
>
>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun May 24 21:05:04 2020
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 21:05:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
In-Reply-To: <CAGUHJmQWD2wZB_kUQ67aE+zW-qc6MTXp-U4CgRo2bOH2OVVdSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9Z3vT_5A7AoZpLqwMZj6BQB-Y02TjU2J0ynY7QSkr7kvw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGUHJmTwf4=gTN3M50b36ut118PMKw4RQipexR041KLXxJv98g@mail.gmail.com>
 <8cf82e5a-17e1-1073-a097-bd325b783960@atlanticbb.net>
 <b9096f8e-873e-9346-9456-6ac3dd11f287@generalboats.com>
 <CAGUHJmQWD2wZB_kUQ67aE+zW-qc6MTXp-U4CgRo2bOH2OVVdSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <af7dbc0b-ed95-5613-535a-2b0e12a3302c@atlanticbb.net>

Olivier, I think you are right about that laminate being glassed on - at 
least that is what I vaguely remember thinking it looked like at the 
time to us.

While it's possible that your wet bilge is from the centerboard cap, 
it's more likely from a port or the wire connections at the mast step or 
some other something that needs to be rebedded. I do remember thinking 
at the time that the surface was slick for the gasket but we never had 
any suggestion of a leak from there.

In any event, good luck with your repairs and thank goodness there was 
no damage from the sideswipe.

Mary Lou

On 5/24/2020 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> Hi Stan!  It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed in...if not
> than definitely glued down well. I think I?d damage the hull interface just
> by removing it. I?m thinking about just enlarging the inner opening with a
> keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don?t think the slick surface
> on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface either...that
> might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond boards, or is
> it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report what my
>> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
>>
>> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
>> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the cb in
>> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
>>
>> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
>> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
>> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB DESIGNED
>> IT TO BE.
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>> Hi Olivier,
>>>
>>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
>>>
>>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
>>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the raising
>>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart
>>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan
>>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said
>>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
>>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
>>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange
>>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
>>>
>>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the
>>> subject from 2003 were:
>>>
>>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of
>>> the trunk and
>>> neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage between
>>> the fiberglass
>>> gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in place and
>>> just use a
>>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb trunk -
>>> it should
>>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other hand
>>> there was
>>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do whatever
>>> is necessary
>>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the trunk
>>> lip to
>>> receive the neoprene gasket."
>>>
>>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided
>>> not to mess with it.
>>>
>>> Sorry this isn't more help.
>>>
>>> Mary Lou
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
>>>> through...
>>>>
>>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white piece is
>>>> glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The pic didn?t come through?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled
>>>>>> the boat
>>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull
>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts and
>>>>> now
>>>>>> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white
>>>>>> piece
>>>>> of
>>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy
>>>>>> it by
>>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
>>>>>> removable?  I
>>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
>>>>>> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have to
>>>>> head
>>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Beytagh
>>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>>>>
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From oehecht at gmail.com  Sun May 24 21:15:26 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 21:15:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
In-Reply-To: <af7dbc0b-ed95-5613-535a-2b0e12a3302c@atlanticbb.net>
References: <CAGUHJmRTRiZ3PqsUG4DW_j_1Zp5i=QhpqZZODK77v04=m5C=FA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CALbDJ9Z3vT_5A7AoZpLqwMZj6BQB-Y02TjU2J0ynY7QSkr7kvw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAGUHJmTwf4=gTN3M50b36ut118PMKw4RQipexR041KLXxJv98g@mail.gmail.com>
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I?ll check those...Thanks again for the help Mary Lou.

On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 9:05 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Olivier, I think you are right about that laminate being glassed on - at
> least that is what I vaguely remember thinking it looked like at the
> time to us.
>
> While it's possible that your wet bilge is from the centerboard cap,
> it's more likely from a port or the wire connections at the mast step or
> some other something that needs to be rebedded. I do remember thinking
> at the time that the surface was slick for the gasket but we never had
> any suggestion of a leak from there.
>
> In any event, good luck with your repairs and thank goodness there was
> no damage from the sideswipe.
>
> Mary Lou
>
> On 5/24/2020 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> > Hi Stan!  It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed in...if not
> > than definitely glued down well. I think I?d damage the hull interface
> just
> > by removing it. I?m thinking about just enlarging the inner opening with
> a
> > keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don?t think the slick
> surface
> > on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface either...that
> > might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond boards, or
> is
> > it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
> >
> > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mary Lou,
> >>
> >> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report what my
> >> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
> >>
> >> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
> >> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the cb in
> >> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
> >>
> >> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
> >> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
> >> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB DESIGNED
> >> IT TO BE.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> >>> Hi Olivier,
> >>>
> >>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
> >>>
> >>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
> >>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the raising
> >>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart
> >>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan
> >>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said
> >>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
> >>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
> >>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange
> >>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
> >>>
> >>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the
> >>> subject from 2003 were:
> >>>
> >>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of
> >>> the trunk and
> >>> neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage between
> >>> the fiberglass
> >>> gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in place and
> >>> just use a
> >>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb trunk -
> >>> it should
> >>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other hand
> >>> there was
> >>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do whatever
> >>> is necessary
> >>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the trunk
> >>> lip to
> >>> receive the neoprene gasket."
> >>>
> >>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided
> >>> not to mess with it.
> >>>
> >>> Sorry this isn't more help.
> >>>
> >>> Mary Lou
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> >>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
> >>>> through...
> >>>>
> >>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white piece
> is
> >>>> glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The pic didn?t come through?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled
> >>>>>> the boat
> >>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull
> >>>>>> it. I
> >>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts
> and
> >>>>> now
> >>>>>> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white
> >>>>>> piece
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy
> >>>>>> it by
> >>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
> >>>>>> removable?  I
> >>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
> >>>>>> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have
> to
> >>>>> head
> >>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Richard Beytagh
> >>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
> >>>>>
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> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200524/1a8b1c27/attachment.jpg
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
>
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun May 24 21:18:46 2020
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:18:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWgZD97-AyfORB77gnBgDM42f1CxRBCcwGGhDUy6FErOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002501d631dc$98f97620$caec6260$@ebsmed.com>
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Message-ID: <1590369526941-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi Chris, Rhodes-less because you are in the States and your boat is in the
Med? 



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2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun May 24 21:20:13 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 21:20:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furler tensioner updated
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-i-hK3Q7KO4a63=rAb=ZJ_s+pa7dCoj+Mbzm95fqdWLw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-i-hK3Q7KO4a63=rAb=ZJ_s+pa7dCoj+Mbzm95fqdWLw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC079C10-3DF6-41B7-94E7-6AC88DCFBEAD@sunnybeeches.com>

Mike,

This is simply brilliant. I?ve long thought that there should be something like this, but I?ve looked and found nothing.  Apparently, you did too.

Let us know when thins is available for purchase.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 24, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been working with a friend of mine (CoolCNCStuff.com) to make a
> tensioner for the Genoa furler on my Rhodes. We've been through a few
> different prototypes, but finally have something that works the way I hoped
> it would. The idea was to make a SIMPLE device that would hold tension on
> the line so I don't have to worry about it when deploying the genoa. This
> will make single handing much easier and end the potential rats nest snarl
> that happens when the line drops below the furler because I can't remember
> to hang onto it when running out the genoa.
> 
> Here are a couple photos, one shows the tensioner and the other shows how
> nice the line coils on the furler while using the tensioner. If anyone's
> interested in seeing it in action here is a link to 2 youtube videos I made
> while deploying then furling the genoa.
> https://youtu.be/wwsH9xFgWYU
> https://youtu.be/NQTuE34GOKE
> 
> Michael Riter
> SV Emma B
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From ignats at comcast.net  Sun May 24 23:04:03 2020
From: ignats at comcast.net (Don Colanero)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 20:04:03 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New owner, new sailor.
In-Reply-To: <1589981808838-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1589894840430-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Interesting idea, Jeff.  It's on the list of possibilities. Haven't heard
from Stan, but still prefer the original red  rail, it's part of what makes
this boat so appealing along with Stan's innovations. Thanks.

Don
Dragonfly
North East, MD



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From oehecht at gmail.com  Mon May 25 06:53:51 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 06:53:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
Message-ID: <CAGUHJmRn82G5_+NgV1_se5zEVouuEcO++4Nb1F+SMn5FtuwUUA@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know the axle diameter on the Triad trailer?  I?m back home ~70
miles from my boat and trying to gather supplies to continue the
diamondboard removal/repair effort and also try to prevent future damage if
I ever get the boat too far forward on the trailer again. This picture is
what happened the first time the board fell onto the axle...I was amazed
how cleanly the axle cut into it.  Yesterday it got much worse as the board
started to split and also got caught on the cross-member when I refloated
the boat to try to reposition her in the trailer. I?m thinking of adding
one of these rollers using large u-bolts or maybe just some good padding as
a safety feature in case this happens again after I repair the board.
Thanks in advance.

https://www.easternmarine.com/5-v-keel-amber-roller-bracket-assembly-86279-0
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 25 09:57:21 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 13:57:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furler tensioner updated
In-Reply-To: <CC079C10-3DF6-41B7-94E7-6AC88DCFBEAD@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-i-hK3Q7KO4a63=rAb=ZJ_s+pa7dCoj+Mbzm95fqdWLw@mail.gmail.com>,
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Michael,

I?ll be interested in what you come up with.  The way I solved this problem was to route the furling control line thru a series of fairleads mounted low on the inside of each lifeline stanchion.  Routing the furling control line thru several fairleads adds enough distributed friction along the path to damp out the control line?s momentum and prevent control line overrides on the furling drum.  It?s a completely passive system, uses off the shelf pieces/parts, and is relatively cheap.  I haven?t had a furling drum override since I installed my solution in 1988.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 9:20 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furler tensioner updated

Mike,

This is simply brilliant. I?ve long thought that there should be something like this, but I?ve looked and found nothing.  Apparently, you did too.

Let us know when thins is available for purchase.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On May 24, 2020, at 8:01 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> I've been working with a friend of mine (CoolCNCStuff.com) to make a
> tensioner for the Genoa furler on my Rhodes. We've been through a few
> different prototypes, but finally have something that works the way I hoped
> it would. The idea was to make a SIMPLE device that would hold tension on
> the line so I don't have to worry about it when deploying the genoa. This
> will make single handing much easier and end the potential rats nest snarl
> that happens when the line drops below the furler because I can't remember
> to hang onto it when running out the genoa.
>
> Here are a couple photos, one shows the tensioner and the other shows how
> nice the line coils on the furler while using the tensioner. If anyone's
> interested in seeing it in action here is a link to 2 youtube videos I made
> while deploying then furling the genoa.
> https://youtu.be/wwsH9xFgWYU
> https://youtu.be/NQTuE34GOKE
>
> Michael Riter
> SV Emma B
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Mon May 25 10:05:01 2020
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 10:05:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furler tensioner updated
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-i-hK3Q7KO4a63=rAb=ZJ_s+pa7dCoj+Mbzm95fqdWLw@mail.gmail.com>
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Nice work Mike.  It looks like a great solution!  Let us know when it is
available.
Stay Well,

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*


On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:02 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> I've been working with a friend of mine (CoolCNCStuff.com) to make a
> tensioner for the Genoa furler on my Rhodes. We've been through a few
> different prototypes, but finally have something that works the way I hoped
> it would. The idea was to make a SIMPLE device that would hold tension on
> the line so I don't have to worry about it when deploying the genoa. This
> will make single handing much easier and end the potential rats nest snarl
> that happens when the line drops below the furler because I can't remember
> to hang onto it when running out the genoa.
>
> Here are a couple photos, one shows the tensioner and the other shows how
> nice the line coils on the furler while using the tensioner. If anyone's
> interested in seeing it in action here is a link to 2 youtube videos I made
> while deploying then furling the genoa.
> https://youtu.be/wwsH9xFgWYU
> https://youtu.be/NQTuE34GOKE
>
> Michael Riter
> SV Emma B
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From dwbrad at gmail.com  Mon May 25 10:56:25 2020
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 10:56:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rub rail upkeep
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3frNXSUO_tx3YW5=Y02ZgaRvm+52xvPtr09FV0Q-Vant_A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1589892702999-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Soft Scrub w/ bleach if you don?t want to work with acetone. 

> On May 19, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jose, I have a white rub rail that was quite dirty until I gave it a
> good scrubbing with acetone and now it looks looks great.
> 
> On Tue, May 19, 2020, 7:51 AM jose <jose.faraldo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'd appreciate some pointers regarding cleaning/upkeep of the rub rails. It
>> seems that mine are vinyl (possibly from Taco marine, as per an earlier
>> post
>> by Graham), in red. Any favorite products?
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Jose
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From stan at generalboats.com  Mon May 25 11:02:33 2020
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 11:02:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
In-Reply-To: <CAGUHJmQWD2wZB_kUQ67aE+zW-qc6MTXp-U4CgRo2bOH2OVVdSg@mail.gmail.com>
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Oliver,

www.rhodes22parts.com has parts for the Rhodes that are not available 
from marine suppliers.? In the case of your diamond board however I do 
think that it would be less costly if you have your current one repaired 
locally.? Freight alone for a centerboard can be an item.? With all that 
saving how about a new style outhaul car or a fabulous fiberglass tiller 
or the new invention traveler system.

While you got me to my keyboard, a comment.? Every action has an equal 
and opposite reaction. Every recycled and new Rhodes has a yoke that 
prevents the genoa line from leaving its drum so the energy needed to 
pull out the sail is not altered.? From a 94 year old perspective every 
ounce is an item.? For you young bucks the extra force needed to pull 
out the genoa with either Mikes or Rogers ingenious tension techniques 
would hardly be measurable so a small price to pay.? Besides who sails 
at 94.

And Don, if you are listening, I have no recollection of your inquiring 
about a rub rail insert replacement. We have those in stock for Boston 
Whaler owners since their boats came with red and we are the only ones 
who also have that color.? But the reflective tape idea sound interesting?

On 5/24/20 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> Hi Stan!  It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed in...if not
> than definitely glued down well. I think I?d damage the hull interface just
> by removing it. I?m thinking about just enlarging the inner opening with a
> keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don?t think the slick surface
> on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface either...that
> might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond boards, or is
> it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report what my
>> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
>>
>> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
>> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the cb in
>> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
>>
>> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
>> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
>> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB DESIGNED
>> IT TO BE.
>>
>>
>> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>> Hi Olivier,
>>>
>>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
>>>
>>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
>>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the raising
>>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart
>>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan
>>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said
>>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
>>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
>>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange
>>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
>>>
>>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the
>>> subject from 2003 were:
>>>
>>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of
>>> the trunk and
>>> neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage between
>>> the fiberglass
>>> gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in place and
>>> just use a
>>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb trunk -
>>> it should
>>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other hand
>>> there was
>>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do whatever
>>> is necessary
>>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the trunk
>>> lip to
>>> receive the neoprene gasket."
>>>
>>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided
>>> not to mess with it.
>>>
>>> Sorry this isn't more help.
>>>
>>> Mary Lou
>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
>>>> through...
>>>>
>>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white piece is
>>>> glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The pic didn?t come through?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled
>>>>>> the boat
>>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull
>>>>>> it. I
>>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts and
>>>>> now
>>>>>> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white
>>>>>> piece
>>>>> of
>>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy
>>>>>> it by
>>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
>>>>>> removable?  I
>>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
>>>>>> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have to
>>>>> head
>>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Beytagh
>>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>>>>
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From oehecht at gmail.com  Mon May 25 12:00:53 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 12:00:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
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Thanks Stan. I already have two of those three upgrades and love them but
have been thinking about a new tiller at some point!

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:02 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Oliver,
>
> www.rhodes22parts.com has parts for the Rhodes that are not available
> from marine suppliers.  In the case of your diamond board however I do
> think that it would be less costly if you have your current one repaired
> locally.  Freight alone for a centerboard can be an item.  With all that
> saving how about a new style outhaul car or a fabulous fiberglass tiller
> or the new invention traveler system.
>
> While you got me to my keyboard, a comment.  Every action has an equal
> and opposite reaction. Every recycled and new Rhodes has a yoke that
> prevents the genoa line from leaving its drum so the energy needed to
> pull out the sail is not altered.  From a 94 year old perspective every
> ounce is an item.  For you young bucks the extra force needed to pull
> out the genoa with either Mikes or Rogers ingenious tension techniques
> would hardly be measurable so a small price to pay.  Besides who sails
> at 94.
>
> And Don, if you are listening, I have no recollection of your inquiring
> about a rub rail insert replacement. We have those in stock for Boston
> Whaler owners since their boats came with red and we are the only ones
> who also have that color.  But the reflective tape idea sound interesting?
>
> On 5/24/20 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> > Hi Stan!  It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed in...if not
> > than definitely glued down well. I think I?d damage the hull interface
> just
> > by removing it. I?m thinking about just enlarging the inner opening with
> a
> > keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don?t think the slick
> surface
> > on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface either...that
> > might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond boards, or
> is
> > it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
> >
> > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Mary Lou,
> >>
> >> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report what my
> >> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
> >>
> >> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
> >> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the cb in
> >> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
> >>
> >> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
> >> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
> >> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB DESIGNED
> >> IT TO BE.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
> >>> Hi Olivier,
> >>>
> >>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
> >>>
> >>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
> >>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the raising
> >>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart
> >>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan
> >>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said
> >>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
> >>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
> >>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange
> >>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
> >>>
> >>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the
> >>> subject from 2003 were:
> >>>
> >>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of
> >>> the trunk and
> >>> neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage between
> >>> the fiberglass
> >>> gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in place and
> >>> just use a
> >>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb trunk -
> >>> it should
> >>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other hand
> >>> there was
> >>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do whatever
> >>> is necessary
> >>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the trunk
> >>> lip to
> >>> receive the neoprene gasket."
> >>>
> >>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided
> >>> not to mess with it.
> >>>
> >>> Sorry this isn't more help.
> >>>
> >>> Mary Lou
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
> >>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
> >>>> through...
> >>>>
> >>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white piece
> is
> >>>> glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The pic didn?t come through?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled
> >>>>>> the boat
> >>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull
> >>>>>> it. I
> >>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts
> and
> >>>>> now
> >>>>>> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white
> >>>>>> piece
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy
> >>>>>> it by
> >>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
> >>>>>> removable?  I
> >>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
> >>>>>> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I have
> to
> >>>>> head
> >>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Richard Beytagh
> >>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
> >>>>>
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> >>
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon May 25 12:08:31 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 12:08:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
In-Reply-To: <CAGUHJmRn82G5_+NgV1_se5zEVouuEcO++4Nb1F+SMn5FtuwUUA@mail.gmail.com>
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Olivier,

I have attached three photos from the archives illustrating the location of the board and the Triad trailer. I don't think that the board should be positioned as it is on your photo, even if you pulled too far forward. One image, from Pop Yachts of a boat that was for sale, shows the proper clearance from the board to the axle. The other images, from s/v Raven's trailer, show the location of the V-roller that was originally installed on a Triad to kick up the board when pulling onto the trailer. The board usually sits on the roller during transit unless the pennant line is pulled and cleated in the upmost position.

Triad steel trailers tend to have a problem with rust over time. On two of my trailers, the left and right sides of the trailer were joined by a single piece of steel in front of the kick up roller. When the v-shaped piece rusts through, the sides tend to drift apart a bit, permitting the boat to settle lower in the bunks. This will bring the keel closer to the axle and may be the cause of your board damage. It also would permit the boat to be drawn further forward on the trailer than is normal. Please take a good look at the piece that connects the left and right sides together.

I have good luck welding additional steel at the weak spot. Do not permit the welder to repair the trailer while the boat is on the trailer. Please do not ask how I know this.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon May 25 12:12:10 2020
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 12:12:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Center Board mishap
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HI folks 
It?s been awhile since promised to provide a ?What not to do? story. 
Last September, I hauled the boat early because we had planned a last minute trip to see my son and family in Ireland. 
I hauled the boat on my own trailer for the first time.  I bought the tailor from a fellow Rhodie 5 or 6 years ago as a project, and finally got it done enough to use it. Prior to that, I had a commercial hauler come and pick up/deliver the boat from my driveway to the ramp about 2 miles away. So I asked a sailer friend of mine to help.  We got the boat onto the trailer and I was about to go through the mast lowering, when I decided the  boat was too far back and needed to be moved about 6 inches forward. The best way was to re-launch. Before we relaunched and when I was about to work on the jib furler, I asked Joe to release the ?red? line in the cockpit, meaning the jib furler line.  But the Center board line is also red, and that?s what he released.  We both got distracted at that point and decided to relaunch. 

When the boat came off the trailer, the old style (Blade)  CB was loose and rolled off the trailer into the full down position. 
The water at the ramp was not deep, so the CB hit the bottom with 3000 pounds of boat and added force of momentum.
Although I didn?t know it, as the CB hit bottom, it easily poked through the CB cap, broke out the floor boards and damaged the cabin console, electrical panel and wiring.  The boat ?sunk? immediately onto the trailer bunks and I couldn?t move it forward any further, but I still didn?t know why yet. When we pulled the boat out, water was pouring from underneath and the tires looked almost flat. (There was and extra 3000 pounds of water in the boat) I still didn?t know what was happening. I was curious where all the water was coming from and climbed into the boat to see.  Then my heart sunk too. The boat was still full of water over the floor boards. Everything below the galley shelf level was underwater, the slide out tray, tool box, parts boxes, spare parts, you name it. 

When we tried to crank the boat further onto the trailer after the relaunch, the winch pulled the Bow ring about 3/4? out from the bow.  This spring, when I finally crawled into the bow to inspect it,  I found two rusted steel nuts on the stainless bow ring. The mahogany block was rotted.  I tried for a few weeks spraying Marvil Mystery Oil on them every few days to no avail and then finally cut them off with a Dremel tool - pretty tight quarters up there for a big guy like me.  

We left the  day after the bad haul, for Ireland and while away, my father-in-law went into the hospital, which began a chain of events that ended in his passing on March 12th. I never even thought to call the insurance company, I just thought of how I was going to fix it, knowing that most likely, nobody else could. 

"STAN TO THE RESCUE? at some point before the holidays, I contacted Stan, the man who held the secrete to my repair.  Indeed, he said, he could replace the Center Board Cap for me. I signed up for the ROC program, sent Stan a check and waited.  With some prodding, I received my newly molded CB cap some time in Early April with a nice email suggesting how to re-rig the control line straight from the trailing edge of the blade up through the thru-hull (which I had to install myself)  to the cleat.  I mocked this arrangement up and decided I did like the control line hanging below the trunk while underway.  So, I removed the SS turning post from the old cap, ordered new blocks for the trailing edge of the CB from England, and new micro-books for the inside top of the cap from Defender. With some careful milling, I got the new parts installed into the CAP and began to scratch my head about how to drill over 50 holes that line up with the old ones. 

CRANE: 
I had to remove the trailer from under the boat to work on the CB.  I had seen other systems, but needed a way to do it by myself.  I built the crane shown n the pics from 5/4 x 6 ACQ limber and a 4 x 8 beam I had by chance, and some 3/8? plywood for stiffness.  I used a 3 ton come-along. After the Bow ring repair, I connected it directly to the Bow ring, but when I removed the trailer I made a sling a couple of feet back from the bow. 
I can assemble and dis-assemble the crane single handed 

CB CAP Attachments: 
Stan suggested I epoxy the old holes and drill new ones.  I thought I could transfer the hole locations by laying the new cap on the trunk and marking holes with a short pencil or sharpie - that idea didn?t work. My second idea was to spray paint the holes one I had the cap clamped down - that didn?t work either - I would have sprayed everything but what I needed.  

I finally made a template of the existing holes using some thick translucent paper, which worked beautifully. I taped the paper over the flanges of the trunk, poked the holes with an ice pick, the taped the same paper onto the cap and drilled the holes where the ice pic holes were. 

My ?84 original CB cap was screwed down with 3/16? sheet metal screws.  I think I could have re-used those as it never leaked and was easy to do, but the consensus is to use machine screws, so I drilled out all the holes to 1/4? and used the SS Bolts and lock nuts and washers that Stan supplied with the Cap.    

I bought marine grade plywood to rebuild the floor boards and I had to replace the electrical panel for more than one reason. 
Covid isolation gave me the time I needed to do all this work.  I think the electrical work took the longest. 

So it's all back together and I?m almost ready to launch.  I?m confident that it will not leak and have the boat mostly put back together. I?ll let you know how it goes. 
Here are some pics of the whole process. 
I used the  Subaru, which I just turned in from my lease yesterday, to pull the boat out from under the oak tree, so that I can keep it clean and work on the new 'single handed mast raising system'.  I never used the Cross-trek to tow the Rhodes as it is only rated for 1500 lbs., but it probably could have been used to launch - only 2 miles away.  I?ll let you know how the SHMRS works. 

All-in-all, it was not an easy job, but not particularly hard either - just time consuming. 
Launch could be within days. 
Ric 
Dadventure
Hampton Bays 






The new and the old cap together 

New blocks installed 

Clean up and Bilge Paint (Inspired by ?DaList?)



New Cap with New rigging added 

The Crane 


Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office	631-283-1777
Cell		516-965-3164 





> On May 25, 2020, at 6:53 AM, Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know the axle diameter on the Triad trailer?  I?m back home ~70
> miles from my boat and trying to gather supplies to continue the
> diamondboard removal/repair effort and also try to prevent future damage if
> I ever get the boat too far forward on the trailer again. This picture is
> what happened the first time the board fell onto the axle...I was amazed
> how cleanly the axle cut into it.  Yesterday it got much worse as the board
> started to split and also got caught on the cross-member when I refloated
> the boat to try to reposition her in the trailer. I?m thinking of adding
> one of these rollers using large u-bolts or maybe just some good padding as
> a safety feature in case this happens again after I repair the board.
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> https://www.easternmarine.com/5-v-keel-amber-roller-bracket-assembly-86279-0
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From oehecht at gmail.com  Mon May 25 12:14:09 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 12:14:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
In-Reply-To: <008f01d632ae$bcca6f50$365f4df0$@ebsmed.com>
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Thanks Mike. I?ll take a look at that cross piece - I hadn?t thought about
the trailer changing dimensions on me. I think it was my fault due to the
ride level and crooked ramp while I was loading the boat by myself. I
didn?t extend the adjustable stop near the winch and I think that?s what
let me set the boat way too far forward. Do you happen to know the axle
tube diameter?  I?d still like to add another roller or padding just in
case I do the same thing again in the future. Olivier

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:08 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Olivier,
>
> I have attached three photos from the archives illustrating the location
> of the board and the Triad trailer. I don't think that the board should be
> positioned as it is on your photo, even if you pulled too far forward. One
> image, from Pop Yachts of a boat that was for sale, shows the proper
> clearance from the board to the axle. The other images, from s/v Raven's
> trailer, show the location of the V-roller that was originally installed on
> a Triad to kick up the board when pulling onto the trailer. The board
> usually sits on the roller during transit unless the pennant line is pulled
> and cleated in the upmost position.
>
> Triad steel trailers tend to have a problem with rust over time. On two of
> my trailers, the left and right sides of the trailer were joined by a
> single piece of steel in front of the kick up roller. When the v-shaped
> piece rusts through, the sides tend to drift apart a bit, permitting the
> boat to settle lower in the bunks. This will bring the keel closer to the
> axle and may be the cause of your board damage. It also would permit the
> boat to be drawn further forward on the trailer than is normal. Please take
> a good look at the piece that connects the left and right sides together.
>
> I have good luck welding additional steel at the weak spot. Do not permit
> the welder to repair the trailer while the boat is on the trailer. Please
> do not ask how I know this.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Olivier Hecht
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 6:54 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon May 25 12:29:19 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 12:29:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Center Board mishap
In-Reply-To: <FCDB2F0C-6D5F-407E-9C01-6AE13ACDBA03@stottarchitecture.com>
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Your pics did not come through.Mikes/v Wind Lass '91Nissequogue, NY
-------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> Date: 5/25/20  12:12 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Center Board mishap HI folks It?s been awhile since promised to provide a ?What not to do? story. Last September, I hauled the boat early because we had planned a last minute trip to see my son and family in Ireland. I hauled the boat on my own trailer for the first time.? I bought the tailor from a fellow Rhodie 5 or 6 years ago as a project, and finally got it done enough to use it. Prior to that, I had a commercial hauler come and pick up/deliver the boat from my driveway to the ramp about 2 miles away. So I asked a sailer friend of mine to help.? We got the boat onto the trailer and I was about to go through the mast lowering, when I decided the? boat was too far back and needed to be moved about 6 inches forward. The best way was to re-launch. Before we relaunched and when I was about to work on the jib furler, I asked Joe to release the ?red? line in the cockpit, meaning the jib furler line.? But the Center board line is also red, and that?s what he released.? We both got distracted at that point and decided to relaunch. When the boat came off the trailer, the old style (Blade)? CB was loose and rolled off the trailer into the full down position. The water at the ramp was not deep, so the CB hit the bottom with 3000 pounds of boat and added force of momentum.Although I didn?t know it, as the CB hit bottom, it easily poked through the CB cap, broke out the floor boards and damaged the cabin console, electrical panel and wiring.? The boat ?sunk? immediately onto the trailer bunks and I couldn?t move it forward any further, but I still didn?t know why yet. When we pulled the boat out, water was pouring from underneath and the tires looked almost flat. (There was and extra 3000 pounds of water in the boat) I still didn?t know what was happening. I was curious where all the water was coming from and climbed into the boat to see.? Then my heart sunk too. The boat was still full of water over the floor boards. Everything below the galley shelf level was underwater, the slide out tray, tool box, parts boxes, spare parts, you name it. When we tried to crank the boat further onto the trailer after the relaunch, the winch pulled the Bow ring about 3/4? out from the bow.? This spring, when I finally crawled into the bow to inspect it,? I found two rusted steel nuts on the stainless bow ring. The mahogany block was rotted.? I tried for a few weeks spraying Marvil Mystery Oil on them every few days to no avail and then finally cut them off with a Dremel tool - pretty tight quarters up there for a big guy like me.? We left the? day after the bad haul, for Ireland and while away, my father-in-law went into the hospital, which began a chain of events that ended in his passing on March 12th. I never even thought to call the insurance company, I just thought of how I was going to fix it, knowing that most likely, nobody else could. "STAN TO THE RESCUE? at some point before the holidays, I contacted Stan, the man who held the secrete to my repair.? Indeed, he said, he could replace the Center Board Cap for me. I signed up for the ROC program, sent Stan a check and waited.? With some prodding, I received my newly molded CB cap some time in Early April with a nice email suggesting how to re-rig the control line straight from the trailing edge of the blade up through the thru-hull (which I had to install myself)? to the cleat.? I mocked this arrangement up and decided I did like the control line hanging below the trunk while underway.? So, I removed the SS turning post from the old cap, ordered new blocks for the trailing edge of the CB from England, and new micro-books for the inside top of the cap from Defender. With some careful milling, I got the new parts installed into the CAP and began to scratch my head about how to drill over 50 holes that line up with the old ones. CRANE: I had to remove the trailer from under the boat to work on the CB.? I had seen other systems, but needed a way to do it by myself.? I built the crane shown n the pics from 5/4 x 6 ACQ limber and a 4 x 8 beam I had by chance, and some 3/8? plywood for stiffness.? I used a 3 ton come-along. After the Bow ring repair, I connected it directly to the Bow ring, but when I removed the trailer I made a sling a couple of feet back from the bow. I can assemble and dis-assemble the crane single handed CB CAP Attachments: Stan suggested I epoxy the old holes and drill new ones.? I thought I could transfer the hole locations by laying the new cap on the trunk and marking holes with a short pencil or sharpie - that idea didn?t work. My second idea was to spray paint the holes one I had the cap clamped down - that didn?t work either - I would have sprayed everything but what I needed.? I finally made a template of the existing holes using some thick translucent paper, which worked beautifully. I taped the paper over the flanges of the trunk, poked the holes with an ice pick, the taped the same paper onto the cap and drilled the holes where the ice pic holes were. My ?84 original CB cap was screwed down with 3/16? sheet metal screws.? I think I could have re-used those as it never leaked and was easy to do, but the consensus is to use machine screws, so I drilled out all the holes to 1/4? and used the SS Bolts and lock nuts and washers that Stan supplied with the Cap.??? I bought marine grade plywood to rebuild the floor boards and I had to replace the electrical panel for more than one reason. Covid isolation gave me the time I needed to do all this work.? I think the electrical work took the longest. So it's all back together and I?m almost ready to launch.? I?m confident that it will not leak and have the boat mostly put back together. I?ll let you know how it goes. Here are some pics of the whole process. I used the? Subaru, which I just turned in from my lease yesterday, to pull the boat out from under the oak tree, so that I can keep it clean and work on the new 'single handed mast raising system'.? I never used the Cross-trek to tow the Rhodes as it is only rated for 1500 lbs., but it probably could have been used to launch - only 2 miles away.? I?ll let you know how the SHMRS works. All-in-all, it was not an easy job, but not particularly hard either - just time consuming. Launch could be within days. Ric DadventureHampton Bays The new and the old cap together New blocks installed Clean up and Bilge Paint (Inspired by ?DaList?)New Cap with New rigging added The Crane Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.comOffice	631-283-1777Cell		516-965-3164 > On May 25, 2020, at 6:53 AM, Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:> > Does anyone know the axle diameter on the Triad trailer?? I?m back home ~70> miles from my boat and trying to gather supplies to continue the> diamondboard removal/repair effort and also try to prevent future damage if> I ever get the boat too far forward on the trailer again. This picture is> what happened the first time the board fell onto the axle...I was amazed> how cleanly the axle cut into it.? Yesterday it got much worse as the board> started to split and also got caught on the cross-member when I refloated> the boat to try to reposition her in the trailer. I?m thinking of adding> one of these rollers using large u-bolts or maybe just some good padding as> a safety feature in case this happens again after I repair the board.> Thanks in advance.> > https://www.easternmarine.com/5-v-keel-amber-roller-bracket-assembly-86279-0> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: C323D8B0-7D7E-4D3D-9126-19D1F1F3912C.jpeg> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 2635797 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200525/66d77282/attachment.jpeg>

From retro53 at msn.com  Mon May 25 13:04:13 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 17:04:13 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furler tensioner updated
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Hi Mike. Great idea! As luck would have it, the only thing that went wrong on my shakedown cruise last week was the furler line overriding in the drum - so your device would be of great interest. I'd be happy to find out if and when it would be available.

John Keyser
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 8:01 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furler tensioner updated

I've been working with a friend of mine (CoolCNCStuff.com) to make a
tensioner for the Genoa furler on my Rhodes. We've been through a few
different prototypes, but finally have something that works the way I hoped
it would. The idea was to make a SIMPLE device that would hold tension on
the line so I don't have to worry about it when deploying the genoa. This
will make single handing much easier and end the potential rats nest snarl
that happens when the line drops below the furler because I can't remember
to hang onto it when running out the genoa.

Here are a couple photos, one shows the tensioner and the other shows how
nice the line coils on the furler while using the tensioner. If anyone's
interested in seeing it in action here is a link to 2 youtube videos I made
while deploying then furling the genoa.
https://youtu.be/wwsH9xFgWYU
https://youtu.be/NQTuE34GOKE

Michael Riter
SV Emma B
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From morrisix at comcast.net  Mon May 25 13:14:00 2020
From: morrisix at comcast.net (Bill)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 10:14:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] rub rail upkeep
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Try Mr Clean Eraser



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From stan at generalboats.com  Mon May 25 13:51:53 2020
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 13:51:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Center Board mishap
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Ric,

Thanks for making my day.? I have not laughed so much in years.? I know 
it was not funny but I did not need any pictures for me to see exactly 
every bit of the Keystone cops footage your words painted and, except 
for your father-in-law, which one has to live, to fully feel, your email 
was perfect ad copy funny.? (That is what I did in my Madison Ave. 
career; hang a blank paper on the wall and if that paper does not turn 
into a picture when I read my copy effort, I leave the blank paper on 
the wall and throw away my brilliant words.)

Now that you discovered first and second hand what fun it is being in 
the sailboat business, if competition gets too rough in the East end, 
with all your Rhodes experience come to Edenton and help GB.? As a 
fellow Long Islander, you will appreciate my take that this second 
largest estuary in the US, is the best body of sailing water in the US.? 
Plus we now have the motivation to really get to that universal 
diamondboard retrofit project we were contemplating.

On 5/25/20 12:12 PM, Ric Stott wrote:
> HI folks
> It?s been awhile since promised to provide a ?What not to do? story.
> Last September, I hauled the boat early because we had planned a last minute trip to see my son and family in Ireland.
> I hauled the boat on my own trailer for the first time.  I bought the tailor from a fellow Rhodie 5 or 6 years ago as a project, and finally got it done enough to use it. Prior to that, I had a commercial hauler come and pick up/deliver the boat from my driveway to the ramp about 2 miles away. So I asked a sailer friend of mine to help.  We got the boat onto the trailer and I was about to go through the mast lowering, when I decided the  boat was too far back and needed to be moved about 6 inches forward. The best way was to re-launch. Before we relaunched and when I was about to work on the jib furler, I asked Joe to release the ?red? line in the cockpit, meaning the jib furler line.  But the Center board line is also red, and that?s what he released.  We both got distracted at that point and decided to relaunch.
>
> When the boat came off the trailer, the old style (Blade)  CB was loose and rolled off the trailer into the full down position.
> The water at the ramp was not deep, so the CB hit the bottom with 3000 pounds of boat and added force of momentum.
> Although I didn?t know it, as the CB hit bottom, it easily poked through the CB cap, broke out the floor boards and damaged the cabin console, electrical panel and wiring.  The boat ?sunk? immediately onto the trailer bunks and I couldn?t move it forward any further, but I still didn?t know why yet. When we pulled the boat out, water was pouring from underneath and the tires looked almost flat. (There was and extra 3000 pounds of water in the boat) I still didn?t know what was happening. I was curious where all the water was coming from and climbed into the boat to see.  Then my heart sunk too. The boat was still full of water over the floor boards. Everything below the galley shelf level was underwater, the slide out tray, tool box, parts boxes, spare parts, you name it.
>
> When we tried to crank the boat further onto the trailer after the relaunch, the winch pulled the Bow ring about 3/4? out from the bow.  This spring, when I finally crawled into the bow to inspect it,  I found two rusted steel nuts on the stainless bow ring. The mahogany block was rotted.  I tried for a few weeks spraying Marvil Mystery Oil on them every few days to no avail and then finally cut them off with a Dremel tool - pretty tight quarters up there for a big guy like me.
>
> We left the  day after the bad haul, for Ireland and while away, my father-in-law went into the hospital, which began a chain of events that ended in his passing on March 12th. I never even thought to call the insurance company, I just thought of how I was going to fix it, knowing that most likely, nobody else could.
>
> "STAN TO THE RESCUE? at some point before the holidays, I contacted Stan, the man who held the secrete to my repair.  Indeed, he said, he could replace the Center Board Cap for me. I signed up for the ROC program, sent Stan a check and waited.  With some prodding, I received my newly molded CB cap some time in Early April with a nice email suggesting how to re-rig the control line straight from the trailing edge of the blade up through the thru-hull (which I had to install myself)  to the cleat.  I mocked this arrangement up and decided I did like the control line hanging below the trunk while underway.  So, I removed the SS turning post from the old cap, ordered new blocks for the trailing edge of the CB from England, and new micro-books for the inside top of the cap from Defender. With some careful milling, I got the new parts installed into the CAP and began to scratch my head about how to drill over 50 holes that line up with the old ones.
>
> CRANE:
> I had to remove the trailer from under the boat to work on the CB.  I had seen other systems, but needed a way to do it by myself.  I built the crane shown n the pics from 5/4 x 6 ACQ limber and a 4 x 8 beam I had by chance, and some 3/8? plywood for stiffness.  I used a 3 ton come-along. After the Bow ring repair, I connected it directly to the Bow ring, but when I removed the trailer I made a sling a couple of feet back from the bow.
> I can assemble and dis-assemble the crane single handed
>
> CB CAP Attachments:
> Stan suggested I epoxy the old holes and drill new ones.  I thought I could transfer the hole locations by laying the new cap on the trunk and marking holes with a short pencil or sharpie - that idea didn?t work. My second idea was to spray paint the holes one I had the cap clamped down - that didn?t work either - I would have sprayed everything but what I needed.
>
> I finally made a template of the existing holes using some thick translucent paper, which worked beautifully. I taped the paper over the flanges of the trunk, poked the holes with an ice pick, the taped the same paper onto the cap and drilled the holes where the ice pic holes were.
>
> My ?84 original CB cap was screwed down with 3/16? sheet metal screws.  I think I could have re-used those as it never leaked and was easy to do, but the consensus is to use machine screws, so I drilled out all the holes to 1/4? and used the SS Bolts and lock nuts and washers that Stan supplied with the Cap.
>
> I bought marine grade plywood to rebuild the floor boards and I had to replace the electrical panel for more than one reason.
> Covid isolation gave me the time I needed to do all this work.  I think the electrical work took the longest.
>
> So it's all back together and I?m almost ready to launch.  I?m confident that it will not leak and have the boat mostly put back together. I?ll let you know how it goes.
> Here are some pics of the whole process.
> I used the  Subaru, which I just turned in from my lease yesterday, to pull the boat out from under the oak tree, so that I can keep it clean and work on the new 'single handed mast raising system'.  I never used the Cross-trek to tow the Rhodes as it is only rated for 1500 lbs., but it probably could have been used to launch - only 2 miles away.  I?ll let you know how the SHMRS works.
>
> All-in-all, it was not an easy job, but not particularly hard either - just time consuming.
> Launch could be within days.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> Hampton Bays
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The new and the old cap together
>
> New blocks installed
>
> Clean up and Bilge Paint (Inspired by ?DaList?)
>
>
>
> New Cap with New rigging added
>
> The Crane
>
>
> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> www.stottarchitecture.com
> Office	631-283-1777
> Cell		516-965-3164
>
>
>
>
>
>> On May 25, 2020, at 6:53 AM, Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know the axle diameter on the Triad trailer?  I?m back home ~70
>> miles from my boat and trying to gather supplies to continue the
>> diamondboard removal/repair effort and also try to prevent future damage if
>> I ever get the boat too far forward on the trailer again. This picture is
>> what happened the first time the board fell onto the axle...I was amazed
>> how cleanly the axle cut into it.  Yesterday it got much worse as the board
>> started to split and also got caught on the cross-member when I refloated
>> the boat to try to reposition her in the trailer. I?m thinking of adding
>> one of these rollers using large u-bolts or maybe just some good padding as
>> a safety feature in case this happens again after I repair the board.
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> https://www.easternmarine.com/5-v-keel-amber-roller-bracket-assembly-86279-0
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From steverayj at hotmail.com  Mon May 25 14:14:30 2020
From: steverayj at hotmail.com (redneckyc)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 11:14:30 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
Message-ID: <1590430470216-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Anybody tried one? This is for old R22 that does not have furling main.
Thanks!



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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon May 25 14:34:46 2020
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 14:34:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
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Michael,
I'm so glad you found photos. In looking at Olivier's picture I thought 
(but could not document) that there was more clearance there. 
Unfortunately I don't seem to have any photos of Fretless sitting on the 
trailer. Her trailer is a 2007 galvanized Triad - a lot newer than the 
boat itself.

Mary Lou

On 5/25/2020 12:08 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Olivier,
>
> I have attached three photos from the archives illustrating the location of the board and the Triad trailer. I don't think that the board should be positioned as it is on your photo, even if you pulled too far forward. One image, from Pop Yachts of a boat that was for sale, shows the proper clearance from the board to the axle. The other images, from s/v Raven's trailer, show the location of the V-roller that was originally installed on a Triad to kick up the board when pulling onto the trailer. The board usually sits on the roller during transit unless the pennant line is pulled and cleated in the upmost position.
>
> Triad steel trailers tend to have a problem with rust over time. On two of my trailers, the left and right sides of the trailer were joined by a single piece of steel in front of the kick up roller. When the v-shaped piece rusts through, the sides tend to drift apart a bit, permitting the boat to settle lower in the bunks. This will bring the keel closer to the axle and may be the cause of your board damage. It also would permit the boat to be drawn further forward on the trailer than is normal. Please take a good look at the piece that connects the left and right sides together.
>
> I have good luck welding additional steel at the weak spot. Do not permit the welder to repair the trailer while the boat is on the trailer. Please do not ask how I know this.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Olivier Hecht
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 6:54 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Mon May 25 15:34:21 2020
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 15:34:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
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The old triad trailer single axel should be 2 3/8 which is standard for a
3500 lb. axel
Mike only uses 6000 lb axels on his new builds
Cary
S/V Whisper '86

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 2:35 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Michael,
> I'm so glad you found photos. In looking at Olivier's picture I thought
> (but could not document) that there was more clearance there.
> Unfortunately I don't seem to have any photos of Fretless sitting on the
> trailer. Her trailer is a 2007 galvanized Triad - a lot newer than the
> boat itself.
>
> Mary Lou
>
> On 5/25/2020 12:08 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> > Olivier,
> >
> > I have attached three photos from the archives illustrating the location
> of the board and the Triad trailer. I don't think that the board should be
> positioned as it is on your photo, even if you pulled too far forward. One
> image, from Pop Yachts of a boat that was for sale, shows the proper
> clearance from the board to the axle. The other images, from s/v Raven's
> trailer, show the location of the V-roller that was originally installed on
> a Triad to kick up the board when pulling onto the trailer. The board
> usually sits on the roller during transit unless the pennant line is pulled
> and cleated in the upmost position.
> >
> > Triad steel trailers tend to have a problem with rust over time. On two
> of my trailers, the left and right sides of the trailer were joined by a
> single piece of steel in front of the kick up roller. When the v-shaped
> piece rusts through, the sides tend to drift apart a bit, permitting the
> boat to settle lower in the bunks. This will bring the keel closer to the
> axle and may be the cause of your board damage. It also would permit the
> boat to be drawn further forward on the trailer than is normal. Please take
> a good look at the piece that connects the left and right sides together.
> >
> > I have good luck welding additional steel at the weak spot. Do not
> permit the welder to repair the trailer while the boat is on the trailer.
> Please do not ask how I know this.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Olivier Hecht
> > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 6:54 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
> >
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 25 15:42:09 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 19:42:09 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
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Steve,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a very roachy, fully battened mainsail with 2 rows of reef points.  The sail shape is much better and the boat points several degrees higher.  I also have a 150% genoa built from Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth in a bi-radial construction.  Between the two sails, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is faster; but, no longer idiot proof.  With the OEM sails, by the time the boat was heeled over enough to have the leeward rail in the water, the sails were distorted enough to be spilling wind to keep her from heeling over any more.  The new sails maintain their shape almost no matter what.  In gusty conditions, you had better keep your hand on the traveler control line and the genoa sheet because a strong gust will knock the boat right down.  I purchased Stan?s new traveler last year and I really like it.  It can be adjusted to allow the traveler to automatically move to leeward in a very strong gust ? kind of a mechanical circuit breaker.  Plus, the new style traveler?s design allows the helmsman to stay hiked out on the windward side.  But, you still need to watch the genoa because that?s a much bigger sail and it tends to cause lee helm in a gust if you don?t slack off on the sheet.   In heavy conditions, I route the genoa sheet across the cockpit using the leeward winch drum to make the turn to route the sheet to the windward winch.  This enables the genoa trimmer to stay hiked out on the windward rail and yet still trim the sail.  When actively trimmed properly in a gust, the more powerful sails provide an acceleration that will set you right down in your seat.  It?s really quite addictive!  My two sons regard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal roller coaster!  For them, sailing doesn?t get interesting until the small craft warnings go up.  When their wives, children, or their mother are on board, we reef down and sail in a more sedate style.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail

Anybody tried one? This is for old R22 that does not have furling main.
Thanks!



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From oehecht at gmail.com  Mon May 25 16:17:28 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 16:17:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
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Thanks Cary...would you say a 2007 is in the old or new group?

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> The old triad trailer single axel should be 2 3/8 which is standard for a
> 3500 lb. axel
> Mike only uses 6000 lb axels on his new builds
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 2:35 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>
> > Michael,
> > I'm so glad you found photos. In looking at Olivier's picture I thought
> > (but could not document) that there was more clearance there.
> > Unfortunately I don't seem to have any photos of Fretless sitting on the
> > trailer. Her trailer is a 2007 galvanized Triad - a lot newer than the
> > boat itself.
> >
> > Mary Lou
> >
> > On 5/25/2020 12:08 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> > > Olivier,
> > >
> > > I have attached three photos from the archives illustrating the
> location
> > of the board and the Triad trailer. I don't think that the board should
> be
> > positioned as it is on your photo, even if you pulled too far forward.
> One
> > image, from Pop Yachts of a boat that was for sale, shows the proper
> > clearance from the board to the axle. The other images, from s/v Raven's
> > trailer, show the location of the V-roller that was originally installed
> on
> > a Triad to kick up the board when pulling onto the trailer. The board
> > usually sits on the roller during transit unless the pennant line is
> pulled
> > and cleated in the upmost position.
> > >
> > > Triad steel trailers tend to have a problem with rust over time. On two
> > of my trailers, the left and right sides of the trailer were joined by a
> > single piece of steel in front of the kick up roller. When the v-shaped
> > piece rusts through, the sides tend to drift apart a bit, permitting the
> > boat to settle lower in the bunks. This will bring the keel closer to the
> > axle and may be the cause of your board damage. It also would permit the
> > boat to be drawn further forward on the trailer than is normal. Please
> take
> > a good look at the piece that connects the left and right sides together.
> > >
> > > I have good luck welding additional steel at the weak spot. Do not
> > permit the welder to repair the trailer while the boat is on the trailer.
> > Please do not ask how I know this.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Olivier Hecht
> > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 6:54 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
> > >
> > >
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 25 16:18:57 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 20:18:57 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Required Modification To Masthead To Run A Fully
	Battened Mainsail
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Hi Steve,

I mentioned S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s mainsail is very roachy.  This is one of the advantages of full batten mainsails.  The shape can be more efficient because the roach is better supported.  However, the masthead must be modified to move the double backstay attachment point aft or the mainsail?s roach will tend to get hung up on the backstays during a tack or a gibe.  This is a good way to break a batten and it?s hard on the sailcloth as well.

The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s masthead with a 12? ruler in the frame.  The extension is a piece of solid aluminum bar stock.  Also visible protruding from the front of the masthead is the spinnaker crane for the triradial spinnaker?s halyard.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 3:42 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail

Steve,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a very roachy, fully battened mainsail with 2 rows of reef points.  The sail shape is much better and the boat points several degrees higher.  I also have a 150% genoa built from Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth in a bi-radial construction.  Between the two sails, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is faster; but, no longer idiot proof.  With the OEM sails, by the time the boat was heeled over enough to have the leeward rail in the water, the sails were distorted enough to be spilling wind to keep her from heeling over any more.  The new sails maintain their shape almost no matter what.  In gusty conditions, you had better keep your hand on the traveler control line and the genoa sheet because a strong gust will knock the boat right down.  I purchased Stan?s new traveler last year and I really like it.  It can be adjusted to allow the traveler to automatically move to leeward in a very strong gust ? kind of a mechanical circuit breaker.  Plus, the new style traveler?s design allows the helmsman to stay hiked out on the windward side.  But, you still need to watch the genoa because that?s a much bigger sail and it tends to cause lee helm in a gust if you don?t slack off on the sheet.   In heavy conditions, I route the genoa sheet across the cockpit using the leeward winch drum to make the turn to route the sheet to the windward winch.  This enables the genoa trimmer to stay hiked out on the windward rail and yet still trim the sail.  When actively trimmed properly in a gust, the more powerful sails provide an acceleration that will set you right down in your seat.  It?s really quite addictive!  My two sons regard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal roller coaster!  For them, sailing doesn?t get interesting until the small craft warnings go up.  When their wives, children, or their mother are on board, we reef down and sail in a more sedate style.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: redneckyc<mailto:steverayj at hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 2:14 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail

Anybody tried one? This is for old R22 that does not have furling main.
Thanks!



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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Mon May 25 16:49:14 2020
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 16:49:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
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Best to email Mike on Tuesday. Mike Orr is the owner of Triad Trailers
mike at triadtrailers.com

On Mon, May 25, 2020, 4:17 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Cary...would you say a 2007 is in the old or new group?
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > The old triad trailer single axel should be 2 3/8 which is standard for a
> > 3500 lb. axel
> > Mike only uses 6000 lb axels on his new builds
> > Cary
> > S/V Whisper '86
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 2:35 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Michael,
> > > I'm so glad you found photos. In looking at Olivier's picture I thought
> > > (but could not document) that there was more clearance there.
> > > Unfortunately I don't seem to have any photos of Fretless sitting on
> the
> > > trailer. Her trailer is a 2007 galvanized Triad - a lot newer than the
> > > boat itself.
> > >
> > > Mary Lou
> > >
> > > On 5/25/2020 12:08 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> > > > Olivier,
> > > >
> > > > I have attached three photos from the archives illustrating the
> > location
> > > of the board and the Triad trailer. I don't think that the board should
> > be
> > > positioned as it is on your photo, even if you pulled too far forward.
> > One
> > > image, from Pop Yachts of a boat that was for sale, shows the proper
> > > clearance from the board to the axle. The other images, from s/v
> Raven's
> > > trailer, show the location of the V-roller that was originally
> installed
> > on
> > > a Triad to kick up the board when pulling onto the trailer. The board
> > > usually sits on the roller during transit unless the pennant line is
> > pulled
> > > and cleated in the upmost position.
> > > >
> > > > Triad steel trailers tend to have a problem with rust over time. On
> two
> > > of my trailers, the left and right sides of the trailer were joined by
> a
> > > single piece of steel in front of the kick up roller. When the v-shaped
> > > piece rusts through, the sides tend to drift apart a bit, permitting
> the
> > > boat to settle lower in the bunks. This will bring the keel closer to
> the
> > > axle and may be the cause of your board damage. It also would permit
> the
> > > boat to be drawn further forward on the trailer than is normal. Please
> > take
> > > a good look at the piece that connects the left and right sides
> together.
> > > >
> > > > I have good luck welding additional steel at the weak spot. Do not
> > > permit the welder to repair the trailer while the boat is on the
> trailer.
> > > Please do not ask how I know this.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > > Olivier Hecht
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 6:54 AM
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > URL: <
> > >
> >
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Mon May 25 16:50:22 2020
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 20:50:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furler tensioner updated
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-i-hK3Q7KO4a63=rAb=ZJ_s+pa7dCoj+Mbzm95fqdWLw@mail.gmail.com>
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Oooooooo

I NEED this!!!

Let me know when I can buy one!!!

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman
blue66corvette at hotmail.com


> On May 24, 2020, at 7:02 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I've been working with a friend of mine (CoolCNCStuff.com) to make a
> tensioner for the Genoa furler on my Rhodes. We've been through a few
> different prototypes, but finally have something that works the way I hoped
> it would. The idea was to make a SIMPLE device that would hold tension on
> the line so I don't have to worry about it when deploying the genoa. This
> will make single handing much easier and end the potential rats nest snarl
> that happens when the line drops below the furler because I can't remember
> to hang onto it when running out the genoa.
> 
> Here are a couple photos, one shows the tensioner and the other shows how
> nice the line coils on the furler while using the tensioner. If anyone's
> interested in seeing it in action here is a link to 2 youtube videos I made
> while deploying then furling the genoa.
> https://youtu.be/wwsH9xFgWYU
> https://youtu.be/NQTuE34GOKE
> 
> Michael Riter
> SV Emma B
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From oehecht at gmail.com  Mon May 25 17:18:45 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 17:18:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
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Ok thanks.

On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 4:49 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Best to email Mike on Tuesday. Mike Orr is the owner of Triad Trailers
> mike at triadtrailers.com
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020, 4:17 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Cary...would you say a 2007 is in the old or new group?
> >
> > On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 3:34 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The old triad trailer single axel should be 2 3/8 which is standard
> for a
> > > 3500 lb. axel
> > > Mike only uses 6000 lb axels on his new builds
> > > Cary
> > > S/V Whisper '86
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 25, 2020, 2:35 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Michael,
> > > > I'm so glad you found photos. In looking at Olivier's picture I
> thought
> > > > (but could not document) that there was more clearance there.
> > > > Unfortunately I don't seem to have any photos of Fretless sitting on
> > the
> > > > trailer. Her trailer is a 2007 galvanized Triad - a lot newer than
> the
> > > > boat itself.
> > > >
> > > > Mary Lou
> > > >
> > > > On 5/25/2020 12:08 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> > > > > Olivier,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have attached three photos from the archives illustrating the
> > > location
> > > > of the board and the Triad trailer. I don't think that the board
> should
> > > be
> > > > positioned as it is on your photo, even if you pulled too far
> forward.
> > > One
> > > > image, from Pop Yachts of a boat that was for sale, shows the proper
> > > > clearance from the board to the axle. The other images, from s/v
> > Raven's
> > > > trailer, show the location of the V-roller that was originally
> > installed
> > > on
> > > > a Triad to kick up the board when pulling onto the trailer. The board
> > > > usually sits on the roller during transit unless the pennant line is
> > > pulled
> > > > and cleated in the upmost position.
> > > > >
> > > > > Triad steel trailers tend to have a problem with rust over time. On
> > two
> > > > of my trailers, the left and right sides of the trailer were joined
> by
> > a
> > > > single piece of steel in front of the kick up roller. When the
> v-shaped
> > > > piece rusts through, the sides tend to drift apart a bit, permitting
> > the
> > > > boat to settle lower in the bunks. This will bring the keel closer to
> > the
> > > > axle and may be the cause of your board damage. It also would permit
> > the
> > > > boat to be drawn further forward on the trailer than is normal.
> Please
> > > take
> > > > a good look at the piece that connects the left and right sides
> > together.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have good luck welding additional steel at the weak spot. Do not
> > > > permit the welder to repair the trailer while the boat is on the
> > trailer.
> > > > Please do not ask how I know this.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Olivier Hecht
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 6:54 AM
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> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Axle diameter on Triad trailer?
> > > > >
> > > > >
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From steverayj at hotmail.com  Mon May 25 17:33:23 2020
From: steverayj at hotmail.com (redneckyc)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 14:33:23 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
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Thanks so much for the detailed reply and pic. A lot to think about. I bet
that boat moves like the bomb. Are the dimensions different than the
standard R22 sail? I assume so if it has that much more roach. If I went
with the same dimensions as old sail but with full battens would I still
gain something and not have problem hitting the backstay?



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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon May 25 19:34:11 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 23:34:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
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Steve,

Maybe a small amount; but, it would mostly waste the potential of going to a full batten mainsail.  You would spend a lot of money for very little gain.

When I lived in Arkansas, I used to race S/V Dynamic Equilibrium under the PHRF rule.   At the time, the USYRU PHRF Handicap rule book listed handicaps for Rhodes 22?s in the range of 258-312 sec/mile.  Since I had a conventional rig, they initially assigned me a rating of 258 sec/mile.  With that rating, I could consistently beat the fleet on corrected time.  Since I was winning so much, they reduced my rating to the same as the J-22?s, 186 sec/mile.  In light air, I was pretty evenly matched with the J-22?s.  But, in anything above about 15 knots of winds, the deep draft fixed keel J-22?s would consistently beat me by 3-5 boat lengths over a 6 mile triangular course unless they screwed up a tack or a gibe.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 5:33 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail

Thanks so much for the detailed reply and pic. A lot to think about. I bet
that boat moves like the bomb. Are the dimensions different than the
standard R22 sail? I assume so if it has that much more roach. If I went
with the same dimensions as old sail but with full battens would I still
gain something and not have problem hitting the backstay?



-----
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon May 25 21:43:56 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 18:43:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
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Roger, it sounds like you have sailed a Rhodes 22 as fast as it will go! 

I do some racing at the local club on Lasers, Snipes, and match racing on a
Santana 20.  I'm still a fairly new sailor (started in 2018), so I have a
lot to learn.  

They are talking about holding a separate start for keelboats of all types. 
In my Rhodes 22 (mine is has IMF and a 130 headsail, but no spinnaker), I'll
be up against some Catalina Capris and a Santana 20 that have spinnakers as
well as a Hunter 23 and perhaps a Precision 21 among others.

At our club they use Portsmouth D-PN instead of PHRF.  One of our club
members belongs to US Sailing and the only data he could find for the R22
was the following DPN values.  I don't know if those are based on a
conventional mainsail vs. IMF, and I don't know if that was including or
excluding the use of a spinnaker.

/Under ?Offshore Classes? the ?Pre-calculated D-PN Handicaps? for the Rhodes
22 (&Continental) are:
DPN: 100.20
DPN1: 101.20
DPN2: 100.60
DPN3: 99.80
DPN4: no data/

We sail on an inland lake rather than offshore as the note above references,
so I'm not sure if that would have an impact on ratings.

Has anyone else used these or other Portsmouth DPN values for a Rhodes with
an IMF and no Spinnaker?

My crew and I will have collective experience of several years, while the
fastest boat will likely be a fairly new Capri 22 co-owned by 3 experienced
sailors with over 60 years collective experience.  Two of those guys were
instructors that taught a couple of the sailing classes that I have taken. 
If nothing else, I can learn a lot by watching them :)

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr




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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue May 26 00:20:58 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 23:20:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
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Yes, Jeff. Really can?t travel over there right now. So it will sit under a
tarp, or what?s left of it for another year.  Just hope I can go next year.
So no ? Rhodes in the Med? serials next fall. Good news, my son whom we are
staying with, impulsively bought a ?72 Lyle Hess designed Ensenada 20.
Pretty much a full rebuild inside so I still can get a sailing fix, just
gotta earn it.  Down side, the souvlakia here in Kansas isn?t as good as in
Greece.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 20:18, JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris, Rhodes-less because you are in the States and your boat is in the
> Med?
>
>
>
> -----
> Jeff Smith
> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue May 26 00:36:05 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 23:36:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Center Board mishap
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Wow what a story, and an informative narration. Thanks!
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 11:12, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> HI folks
> It?s been awhile since promised to provide a ?What not to do? story.
> Last September, I hauled the boat early because we had planned a last
> minute trip to see my son and family in Ireland.
> I hauled the boat on my own trailer for the first time.  I bought the
> tailor from a fellow Rhodie 5 or 6 years ago as a project, and finally got
> it done enough to use it. Prior to that, I had a commercial hauler come and
> pick up/deliver the boat from my driveway to the ramp about 2 miles away.
> So I asked a sailer friend of mine to help.  We got the boat onto the
> trailer and I was about to go through the mast lowering, when I decided
> the  boat was too far back and needed to be moved about 6 inches forward.
> The best way was to re-launch. Before we relaunched and when I was about to
> work on the jib furler, I asked Joe to release the ?red? line in the
> cockpit, meaning the jib furler line.  But the Center board line is also
> red, and that?s what he released.  We both got distracted at that point and
> decided to relaunch.
>
> When the boat came off the trailer, the old style (Blade)  CB was loose
> and rolled off the trailer into the full down position.
> The water at the ramp was not deep, so the CB hit the bottom with 3000
> pounds of boat and added force of momentum.
> Although I didn?t know it, as the CB hit bottom, it easily poked through
> the CB cap, broke out the floor boards and damaged the cabin console,
> electrical panel and wiring.  The boat ?sunk? immediately onto the trailer
> bunks and I couldn?t move it forward any further, but I still didn?t know
> why yet. When we pulled the boat out, water was pouring from underneath and
> the tires looked almost flat. (There was and extra 3000 pounds of water in
> the boat) I still didn?t know what was happening. I was curious where all
> the water was coming from and climbed into the boat to see.  Then my heart
> sunk too. The boat was still full of water over the floor boards.
> Everything below the galley shelf level was underwater, the slide out tray,
> tool box, parts boxes, spare parts, you name it.
>
> When we tried to crank the boat further onto the trailer after the
> relaunch, the winch pulled the Bow ring about 3/4? out from the bow.  This
> spring, when I finally crawled into the bow to inspect it,  I found two
> rusted steel nuts on the stainless bow ring. The mahogany block was
> rotted.  I tried for a few weeks spraying Marvil Mystery Oil on them every
> few days to no avail and then finally cut them off with a Dremel tool -
> pretty tight quarters up there for a big guy like me.
>
> We left the  day after the bad haul, for Ireland and while away, my
> father-in-law went into the hospital, which began a chain of events that
> ended in his passing on March 12th. I never even thought to call the
> insurance company, I just thought of how I was going to fix it, knowing
> that most likely, nobody else could.
>
> "STAN TO THE RESCUE? at some point before the holidays, I contacted Stan,
> the man who held the secrete to my repair.  Indeed, he said, he could
> replace the Center Board Cap for me. I signed up for the ROC program, sent
> Stan a check and waited.  With some prodding, I received my newly molded CB
> cap some time in Early April with a nice email suggesting how to re-rig the
> control line straight from the trailing edge of the blade up through the
> thru-hull (which I had to install myself)  to the cleat.  I mocked this
> arrangement up and decided I did like the control line hanging below the
> trunk while underway.  So, I removed the SS turning post from the old cap,
> ordered new blocks for the trailing edge of the CB from England, and new
> micro-books for the inside top of the cap from Defender. With some careful
> milling, I got the new parts installed into the CAP and began to scratch my
> head about how to drill over 50 holes that line up with the old ones.
>
> CRANE:
> I had to remove the trailer from under the boat to work on the CB.  I had
> seen other systems, but needed a way to do it by myself.  I built the crane
> shown n the pics from 5/4 x 6 ACQ limber and a 4 x 8 beam I had by chance,
> and some 3/8? plywood for stiffness.  I used a 3 ton come-along. After the
> Bow ring repair, I connected it directly to the Bow ring, but when I
> removed the trailer I made a sling a couple of feet back from the bow.
> I can assemble and dis-assemble the crane single handed
>
> CB CAP Attachments:
> Stan suggested I epoxy the old holes and drill new ones.  I thought I
> could transfer the hole locations by laying the new cap on the trunk and
> marking holes with a short pencil or sharpie - that idea didn?t work. My
> second idea was to spray paint the holes one I had the cap clamped down -
> that didn?t work either - I would have sprayed everything but what I
> needed.
>
> I finally made a template of the existing holes using some thick
> translucent paper, which worked beautifully. I taped the paper over the
> flanges of the trunk, poked the holes with an ice pick, the taped the same
> paper onto the cap and drilled the holes where the ice pic holes were.
>
> My ?84 original CB cap was screwed down with 3/16? sheet metal screws.  I
> think I could have re-used those as it never leaked and was easy to do, but
> the consensus is to use machine screws, so I drilled out all the holes to
> 1/4? and used the SS Bolts and lock nuts and washers that Stan supplied
> with the Cap.
>
> I bought marine grade plywood to rebuild the floor boards and I had to
> replace the electrical panel for more than one reason.
> Covid isolation gave me the time I needed to do all this work.  I think
> the electrical work took the longest.
>
> So it's all back together and I?m almost ready to launch.  I?m confident
> that it will not leak and have the boat mostly put back together. I?ll let
> you know how it goes.
> Here are some pics of the whole process.
> I used the  Subaru, which I just turned in from my lease yesterday, to
> pull the boat out from under the oak tree, so that I can keep it clean and
> work on the new 'single handed mast raising system'.  I never used the
> Cross-trek to tow the Rhodes as it is only rated for 1500 lbs., but it
> probably could have been used to launch - only 2 miles away.  I?ll let you
> know how the SHMRS works.
>
> All-in-all, it was not an easy job, but not particularly hard either -
> just time consuming.
> Launch could be within days.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> Hampton Bays
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The new and the old cap together
>
> New blocks installed
>
> Clean up and Bilge Paint (Inspired by ?DaList?)
>
>
>
> New Cap with New rigging added
>
> The Crane
>
>
> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> www.stottarchitecture.com
> Office  631-283-1777
> Cell            516-965-3164
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 25, 2020, at 6:53 AM, Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know the axle diameter on the Triad trailer?  I?m back home
> ~70
> > miles from my boat and trying to gather supplies to continue the
> > diamondboard removal/repair effort and also try to prevent future damage
> if
> > I ever get the boat too far forward on the trailer again. This picture is
> > what happened the first time the board fell onto the axle...I was amazed
> > how cleanly the axle cut into it.  Yesterday it got much worse as the
> board
> > started to split and also got caught on the cross-member when I refloated
> > the boat to try to reposition her in the trailer. I?m thinking of adding
> > one of these rollers using large u-bolts or maybe just some good padding
> as
> > a safety feature in case this happens again after I repair the board.
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> >
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue May 26 00:38:02 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 23:38:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Required Modification To Masthead To Run A
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Neat mods Roger
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 15:19, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Steve,
>
> I mentioned S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s mainsail is very roachy.  This is
> one of the advantages of full batten mainsails.  The shape can be more
> efficient because the roach is better supported.  However, the masthead
> must be modified to move the double backstay attachment point aft or the
> mainsail?s roach will tend to get hung up on the backstays during a tack or
> a gibe.  This is a good way to break a batten and it?s hard on the
> sailcloth as well.
>
> The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s masthead with a 12?
> ruler in the frame.  The extension is a piece of solid aluminum bar stock.
> Also visible protruding from the front of the masthead is the spinnaker
> crane for the triradial spinnaker?s halyard.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
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> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 3:42 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
>
> Steve,
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a very roachy, fully battened mainsail with 2
> rows of reef points.  The sail shape is much better and the boat points
> several degrees higher.  I also have a 150% genoa built from Bainbridge?s
> Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth in a bi-radial construction.  Between the
> two sails, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is faster; but, no longer idiot proof.
> With the OEM sails, by the time the boat was heeled over enough to have the
> leeward rail in the water, the sails were distorted enough to be spilling
> wind to keep her from heeling over any more.  The new sails maintain their
> shape almost no matter what.  In gusty conditions, you had better keep your
> hand on the traveler control line and the genoa sheet because a strong gust
> will knock the boat right down.  I purchased Stan?s new traveler last year
> and I really like it.  It can be adjusted to allow the traveler to
> automatically move to leeward in a very strong gust ? kind of a mechanical
> circuit breaker.  Plus, the new style traveler?s design allows the helmsman
> to stay hiked out on the windward side.  But, you still need to watch the
> genoa because that?s a much bigger sail and it tends to cause lee helm in a
> gust if you don?t slack off on the sheet.   In heavy conditions, I route
> the genoa sheet across the cockpit using the leeward winch drum to make the
> turn to route the sheet to the windward winch.  This enables the genoa
> trimmer to stay hiked out on the windward rail and yet still trim the
> sail.  When actively trimmed properly in a gust, the more powerful sails
> provide an acceleration that will set you right down in your seat.  It?s
> really quite addictive!  My two sons regard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as
> their own personal roller coaster!  For them, sailing doesn?t get
> interesting until the small craft warnings go up.  When their wives,
> children, or their mother are on board, we reef down and sail in a more
> sedate style.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
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> From: redneckyc<mailto:steverayj at hotmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 2:14 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
>
> Anybody tried one? This is for old R22 that does not have furling main.
> Thanks!
>
>
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue May 26 00:41:50 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 23:41:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furler tensioner updated
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Man we have a bunch of brilliant people on this list.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 15:50, Charles Nieman <blue66corvette at hotmail.com>
wrote:

> Oooooooo
>
> I NEED this!!!
>
> Let me know when I can buy one!!!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Charles Nieman
> blue66corvette at hotmail.com
>
>
> > On May 24, 2020, at 7:02 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I've been working with a friend of mine (CoolCNCStuff.com) to make a
> > tensioner for the Genoa furler on my Rhodes. We've been through a few
> > different prototypes, but finally have something that works the way I
> hoped
> > it would. The idea was to make a SIMPLE device that would hold tension on
> > the line so I don't have to worry about it when deploying the genoa. This
> > will make single handing much easier and end the potential rats nest
> snarl
> > that happens when the line drops below the furler because I can't
> remember
> > to hang onto it when running out the genoa.
> >
> > Here are a couple photos, one shows the tensioner and the other shows how
> > nice the line coils on the furler while using the tensioner. If anyone's
> > interested in seeing it in action here is a link to 2 youtube videos I
> made
> > while deploying then furling the genoa.
> > https://youtu.be/wwsH9xFgWYU
> > https://youtu.be/NQTuE34GOKE
> >
> > Michael Riter
> > SV Emma B
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From steverayj at hotmail.com  Tue May 26 08:18:43 2020
From: steverayj at hotmail.com (redneckyc)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 05:18:43 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
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Ok, good to know. I will mull that over and figure out what to do. Probably
just go conventional battens. Thanks again.



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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue May 26 10:42:29 2020
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 14:42:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
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Chris, Connie and I grew up in Kansas small town outside Wichita. Power boat country ,the locales call sailboats prairie Schooners? ?

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, May 26, 2020 12:20 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website

Yes, Jeff. Really can?t travel over there right now. So it will sit under a
tarp, or what?s left of it for another year.? Just hope I can go next year.
So no ? Rhodes in the Med? serials next fall. Good news, my son whom we are
staying with, impulsively bought a ?72 Lyle Hess designed Ensenada 20.
Pretty much a full rebuild inside so I still can get a sailing fix, just
gotta earn it.? Down side, the souvlakia here in Kansas isn?t as good as in
Greece.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 20:18, JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris, Rhodes-less because you are in the States and your boat is in the
> Med?
>
>
>
> -----
> Jeff Smith
> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
>
> --
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue May 26 10:57:49 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 09:57:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
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Yes Mark,
Manhattan, as in Kansas, is not a metropolis. Go wildcats. We do have
Tuttle reservoir AKA Tuddle Puddle.  Even a yacht club for sailors. . Well
I rather be a prairie scooner than what a Canadian Coast guard friend said
we sailors were referred to, WAFI. Uh, that?s the acronym for Wind Assisted
Fu$&@ng Idiots. (Grin).  Guess a few of us, me included, might qualify for.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 09:42, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Chris, Connie and I grew up in Kansas small town outside Wichita. Power
> boat country ,the locales call sailboats prairie Schooners
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, May 26, 2020 12:20 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
>
> Yes, Jeff. Really can?t travel over there right now. So it will sit under a
> tarp, or what?s left of it for another year.  Just hope I can go next year.
> So no ? Rhodes in the Med? serials next fall. Good news, my son whom we are
> staying with, impulsively bought a ?72 Lyle Hess designed Ensenada 20.
> Pretty much a full rebuild inside so I still can get a sailing fix, just
> gotta earn it.  Down side, the souvlakia here in Kansas isn?t as good as in
> Greece.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Sun, 24 May 2020 at 20:18, JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris, Rhodes-less because you are in the States and your boat is in
> the
> > Med?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Jeff Smith
> > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue May 26 11:06:18 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 15:06:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
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Jessie,

I?ve never raced under the Portsmouth handicapping rules and am not familiar with them.  In Arkansas, we could use spinnakers.  Upwind, I lost ground to the J-22?s with their deep fin keels and ? bendy rigs.  On the reaching legs, we were fairly evenly matched.  On a run, I could pull up the centerboard, thus reducing my wetted surface area.  When we both popped our spinnakers & I raised our centerboard, I could reel them in like they were anchored!  Often, the J-22?s & I would get into a gybing match with them attempting to keep up by blanketing our sails with their wind shadow.  We were usually able to shake them off after a couple of gybes.  So, our races would usually involve us trying to keep the J-22?s in range on the upwind legs with good strategy, status quo on the reaching legs, and then a drag race come from behind on the downwind legs.  We would come up from astern, aim our wind shadow at the boat ahead to collapse their chute, then gybe away and be gone!  It was great fun & Daniel just loved it.  Part of my problem on the upwind legs was my son Daniel at the helm.  At the time, he was 8 - 9 years old, weighed ~100 lbs, and didn?t have the upper body strength for sail trimming.  Daniel was a natural helmsman and the Rhodes 22 has such a lightweight, balanced helm; that, he could drive for the whole race without getting tired.  So, old dad was the sail trimmer.  But, the Rhodes 22 sails fastest when sailed as level as possible, almost like a big dingy.  Daniel just didn?t have enough meat on his bones to be very effective on the rail.  Before they changed my rating, it really used to piss off the other sailors when Daniel would ride on my shoulders when we stepped up to the podium!  He acted like a typical 8 year old boy.  I had to talk to him about good sportsmanship.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 9:43 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail

Roger, it sounds like you have sailed a Rhodes 22 as fast as it will go!

I do some racing at the local club on Lasers, Snipes, and match racing on a
Santana 20.  I'm still a fairly new sailor (started in 2018), so I have a
lot to learn.

They are talking about holding a separate start for keelboats of all types.
In my Rhodes 22 (mine is has IMF and a 130 headsail, but no spinnaker), I'll
be up against some Catalina Capris and a Santana 20 that have spinnakers as
well as a Hunter 23 and perhaps a Precision 21 among others.

At our club they use Portsmouth D-PN instead of PHRF.  One of our club
members belongs to US Sailing and the only data he could find for the R22
was the following DPN values.  I don't know if those are based on a
conventional mainsail vs. IMF, and I don't know if that was including or
excluding the use of a spinnaker.

/Under ?Offshore Classes? the ?Pre-calculated D-PN Handicaps? for the Rhodes
22 (&Continental) are:
DPN: 100.20
DPN1: 101.20
DPN2: 100.60
DPN3: 99.80
DPN4: no data/

We sail on an inland lake rather than offshore as the note above references,
so I'm not sure if that would have an impact on ratings.

Has anyone else used these or other Portsmouth DPN values for a Rhodes with
an IMF and no Spinnaker?

My crew and I will have collective experience of several years, while the
fastest boat will likely be a fairly new Capri 22 co-owned by 3 experienced
sailors with over 60 years collective experience.  Two of those guys were
instructors that taught a couple of the sailing classes that I have taken.
If nothing else, I can learn a lot by watching them :)

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr




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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue May 26 13:10:15 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 10:10:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
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I know this must sound crazy to those on the coast, but I might make it down
to Kansas (perhaps not quite a sailing mecca) sometime on some road trips to
larger lakes in the midwest that are not too far of a drive.  Home for
Zephyr is Lake Manawa which is quite small... let's just say that you get
plenty of practice tacking and jibing.

Such is life when you are a WAFI residing in Omaha, Nebraska.  I had heard
that Perry Lake and Milford Lake in Kansas are pretty nice as far as
reservoirs on the prairie go.  I guess I can add on the "Tuddle Puddle" on
to the list.  Feel free to share if you have any recommendations for good
size lakes in the midwest.



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue May 26 13:28:48 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 10:28:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
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Roger, thanks for the R22 racing tips!  

I was impressed with all the gear on the annotated photo of your bow on the
rhodes22.org website that I stumbled on the other day:
http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/Roller_Furling.jpg.  My thought was that one
day I'd like to be able to know how to make good use of all of that.    

Eventually I may add a whisker pole and perhaps a spinnaker, but first I
need to get a better handle on sail trim with the main and genoa with my
current setup.  I've tried having the crew hold a boat hook as a poor mans
whisker pole when running wing on wing and that helped.   Peter has an
impressive whisker pole setup highlighted on his youtube videos that I may
attempt to replicate at some point.

I know conventional battened mainsail performs better, but I love the
convenience of the IMF so I'll be sticking with that.

I didn't buy the R22 for purposes of racing, but I figured I might as well
try it since our club is starting up mixed class keelboat racing.  Thanks
again for sharing some racing tips for a novice like me.



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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue May 26 16:13:46 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 20:13:46 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail
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Hi Jesse,

& after you?ve seen how busy the real estate is on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s bow, you know why I don?t have an anchor roller.  Priorities had to be set & choices made.  Now that I?m getting older and my sons are grown up and moved away, I think I might make different choices ? Naah - Fast is still fun!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 1:28:48 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail

Roger, thanks for the R22 racing tips!

I was impressed with all the gear on the annotated photo of your bow on the
rhodes22.org website that I stumbled on the other day:
http://rhodes22.org/rhodes/pics/Roller_Furling.jpg.  My thought was that one
day I'd like to be able to know how to make good use of all of that.

Eventually I may add a whisker pole and perhaps a spinnaker, but first I
need to get a better handle on sail trim with the main and genoa with my
current setup.  I've tried having the crew hold a boat hook as a poor mans
whisker pole when running wing on wing and that helped.   Peter has an
impressive whisker pole setup highlighted on his youtube videos that I may
attempt to replicate at some point.

I know conventional battened mainsail performs better, but I love the
convenience of the IMF so I'll be sticking with that.

I didn't buy the R22 for purposes of racing, but I figured I might as well
try it since our club is starting up mixed class keelboat racing.  Thanks
again for sharing some racing tips for a novice like me.



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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue May 26 17:21:00 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 17:21:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - A Word of Caution
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One of the limitations of YouTube videos is that there?s no way to edit or add an addendum to a video after it?s been published.  The whisker pole video could use an addendum.  For those interested, the original video on rigging a whisker pole is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7d-D0qNhg <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7d-D0qNhg>

The video shows me mounting 10? of T-track to the forward face of the mast.  This was done with 1/4? x 28 tpi flat head bolts screwed into holes drilled and tapped into the mast at a spacing of 4?.  I?d guesstimate that the aluminum mast is about 1/8? thick along this face.

The track serves two purposes.  When the whisker pole is being stored on the mast, both ends are attached to cars that can slide on the track.  When the whisker pole is in use, the mast end of the pole remained attached to its movable car.  This allowed the position of the mast end of the pole to be adjusted up-and-down.  

The attachment of the track to the mast was not strong enough to serve in the second use-case.  On a boisterous crossing of Nantucket Sound, while sailing wing-on-wing with my 175% genoa, the bottom 3 feet of track pulled free from the mast.  So, I can?t really recommend the approach I took in the video.

Now, I still use the track for storing the whisker pole, but I have a fixed ring bolted to the front on the mast which secures the mast end of the whisker pole when it is deployed.  I got the ring from Dwyer; I?m pretty sure it?s part # 'DH 668?.  It?s secured to the mast with six 1/4? bolts that are at angles of about 45 degrees from athwart-ships, so two sets of 3 about 90 degrees from each other.   Intuitively, this feels much stronger.

Despite this mishap, I?m very happy to have the whisker pole aboard.  It can be used to set up a wing-on-wing configuration over an arc of 40 to 45 degrees either side of straight down-wind.  For much of this same arc, without a whisker pole, the foresail becomes useless because it is blanketed by the main.

Now, if I could only find the time to get my boat ready to sail for this season?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On May 26, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

?

> Peter has an
> impressive whisker pole setup highlighted on his youtube videos that I may
> attempt to replicate at some point.

...



From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue May 26 18:53:32 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 22:53:32 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photo Of Roachy Fully Battened Mainsail
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Hi Steve,

The attached photo is S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s fully battened mainsail.  The 3 full battens are lying on top of their respective batten pockets.  The lower two battens are red and the top batten is beige.  There is a yellow tape measure stretched taut between the head and the clew to give you an idea how much roach the sail has.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 4:18 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Required Modification To Masthead To Run A Fully Battened Mainsail

Hi Steve,

I mentioned S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s mainsail is very roachy.  This is one of the advantages of full batten mainsails.  The shape can be more efficient because the roach is better supported.  However, the masthead must be modified to move the double backstay attachment point aft or the mainsail?s roach will tend to get hung up on the backstays during a tack or a gibe.  This is a good way to break a batten and it?s hard on the sailcloth as well.

The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s masthead with a 12? ruler in the frame.  The extension is a piece of solid aluminum bar stock.  Also visible protruding from the front of the masthead is the spinnaker crane for the triradial spinnaker?s halyard.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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Sent: Monday, May 25, 2020 3:42 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] opinions on (horizontal) full batten mainsail

Steve,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a very roachy, fully battened mainsail with 3 rows of reef points.  The sail shape is much better and the boat points several degrees higher.  I also have a 150% genoa built from Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth in a bi-radial construction.  Between the two sails, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is faster; but, no longer idiot proof.  With the OEM sails, by the time the boat was heeled over enough to have the leeward rail in the water, the sails were distorted enough to be spilling wind to keep her from heeling over any more.  The new sails maintain their shape almost no matter what.  In gusty conditions, you had better keep your hand on the traveler control line and the genoa sheet because a strong gust will knock the boat right down.  I purchased Stan?s new traveler last year and I really like it.  It can be adjusted to allow the traveler to automatically move to leeward in a very strong gust ? kind of a mechanical circuit breaker.  Plus, the new style traveler?s design allows the helmsman to stay hiked out on the windward side.  But, you still need to watch the genoa because that?s a much bigger sail and it tends to cause lee helm in a gust if you don?t slack off on the sheet.   In heavy conditions, I route the genoa sheet across the cockpit using the leeward winch drum to make the turn to route the sheet to the windward winch.  This enables the genoa trimmer to stay hiked out on the windward rail and yet still trim the sail.  When actively trimmed properly in a gust, the more powerful sails provide an acceleration that will set you right down in your seat.  It?s really quite addictive!  My two sons regard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal roller coaster!  For them, sailing doesn?t get interesting until the small craft warnings go up.  When their wives, children, or their mother are on board, we reef down and sail in a more sedate style.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Anybody tried one? This is for old R22 that does not have furling main.
Thanks!



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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue May 26 20:46:22 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 00:46:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - A Word of Caution
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Peter,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has the ability to store the whisker and spinnaker poles vertically against the mast.  But, I only have 3 ft of T-track mounted down low and the HD Dwyer fixed ring mounted up the mast.  I used fine threaded fasteners like you did.  But, because of the thin mast wall sectional thickness, I also epoxied the threads when I installed the T-track and fixed ring.  So far, I haven?t had any T-track or fixed ring failures and I sail my boat pretty hard.  I tried sailing with the pole up against the mast this way and noticed a significant difference in windage, heeling moment, and ability to trim the mainsail because the pole was messing up the airflow around the mast.  We now store the poles down low  in dedicated chocks on the foredeck when we are sailing.  However, at a dock or at anchor, we often stow the poles up against the mast to clear the foredeck.  Mainly, the T-track allows the sail trimmer to adjust the vertical height of the inboard end of the whisker pole or spinnaker pole so as to level the pole relative to the clew of the sail.  Having the pole level causes the downwind sail to present the most projected area to the wind, thus maximizing thrust.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 5:22 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - A Word of Caution

One of the limitations of YouTube videos is that there?s no way to edit or add an addendum to a video after it?s been published.  The whisker pole video could use an addendum.  For those interested, the original video on rigging a whisker pole is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7d-D0qNhg <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7d-D0qNhg>

The video shows me mounting 10? of T-track to the forward face of the mast.  This was done with 1/4? x 28 tpi flat head bolts screwed into holes drilled and tapped into the mast at a spacing of 4?.  I?d guesstimate that the aluminum mast is about 1/8? thick along this face.

The track serves two purposes.  When the whisker pole is being stored on the mast, both ends are attached to cars that can slide on the track.  When the whisker pole is in use, the mast end of the pole remained attached to its movable car.  This allowed the position of the mast end of the pole to be adjusted up-and-down.

The attachment of the track to the mast was not strong enough to serve in the second use-case.  On a boisterous crossing of Nantucket Sound, while sailing wing-on-wing with my 175% genoa, the bottom 3 feet of track pulled free from the mast.  So, I can?t really recommend the approach I took in the video.

Now, I still use the track for storing the whisker pole, but I have a fixed ring bolted to the front on the mast which secures the mast end of the whisker pole when it is deployed.  I got the ring from Dwyer; I?m pretty sure it?s part # 'DH 668?.  It?s secured to the mast with six 1/4? bolts that are at angles of about 45 degrees from athwart-ships, so two sets of 3 about 90 degrees from each other.   Intuitively, this feels much stronger.

Despite this mishap, I?m very happy to have the whisker pole aboard.  It can be used to set up a wing-on-wing configuration over an arc of 40 to 45 degrees either side of straight down-wind.  For much of this same arc, without a whisker pole, the foresail becomes useless because it is blanketed by the main.

Now, if I could only find the time to get my boat ready to sail for this season?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On May 26, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

?

> Peter has an
> impressive whisker pole setup highlighted on his youtube videos that I may
> attempt to replicate at some point.

...



From lgioia at yahoo.com  Tue May 26 21:07:50 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 01:07:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - simple suggestions for
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 Those both sound like great solutions for sailing the boat hard downwind.
I mostly need one for really light breezes of 5-8 knots, going downwind on the lake as the the wind dies off late in the afternoon.? Does anyone have any simple non-installed suggestions they use for that?? A non-R22 friend of mine said just get an extending camping pole of some sort.?
Without one I tend to do broad reaches, tacking downwind.
Larrys/v Language of LoveLake George, NY
s/v <As yet unnamed>Keystone Lake, Tampa, FL
    On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 08:46:27 PM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:  
 
 Peter,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has the ability to store the whisker and spinnaker poles vertically against the mast.? But, I only have 3 ft of T-track mounted down low and the HD Dwyer fixed ring mounted up the mast.? I used fine threaded fasteners like you did.? But, because of the thin mast wall sectional thickness, I also epoxied the threads when I installed the T-track and fixed ring.? So far, I haven?t had any T-track or fixed ring failures and I sail my boat pretty hard.? I tried sailing with the pole up against the mast this way and noticed a significant difference in windage, heeling moment, and ability to trim the mainsail because the pole was messing up the airflow around the mast.? We now store the poles down low? in dedicated chocks on the foredeck when we are sailing.? However, at a dock or at anchor, we often stow the poles up against the mast to clear the foredeck.? Mainly, the T-track allows the sail trimmer to adjust the vertical height of the inboard end of the whisker pole or spinnaker pole so as to level the pole relative to the clew of the sail.? Having the pole level causes the downwind sail to present the most projected area to the wind, thus maximizing thrust.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 5:22 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - A Word of Caution

One of the limitations of YouTube videos is that there?s no way to edit or add an addendum to a video after it?s been published.? The whisker pole video could use an addendum.? For those interested, the original video on rigging a whisker pole is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7d-D0qNhg <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7d-D0qNhg>

The video shows me mounting 10? of T-track to the forward face of the mast.? This was done with 1/4? x 28 tpi flat head bolts screwed into holes drilled and tapped into the mast at a spacing of 4?.? I?d guesstimate that the aluminum mast is about 1/8? thick along this face.

The track serves two purposes.? When the whisker pole is being stored on the mast, both ends are attached to cars that can slide on the track.? When the whisker pole is in use, the mast end of the pole remained attached to its movable car.? This allowed the position of the mast end of the pole to be adjusted up-and-down.

The attachment of the track to the mast was not strong enough to serve in the second use-case.? On a boisterous crossing of Nantucket Sound, while sailing wing-on-wing with my 175% genoa, the bottom 3 feet of track pulled free from the mast.? So, I can?t really recommend the approach I took in the video.

Now, I still use the track for storing the whisker pole, but I have a fixed ring bolted to the front on the mast which secures the mast end of the whisker pole when it is deployed.? I got the ring from Dwyer; I?m pretty sure it?s part # 'DH 668?.? It?s secured to the mast with six 1/4? bolts that are at angles of about 45 degrees from athwart-ships, so two sets of 3 about 90 degrees from each other.? Intuitively, this feels much stronger.

Despite this mishap, I?m very happy to have the whisker pole aboard.? It can be used to set up a wing-on-wing configuration over an arc of 40 to 45 degrees either side of straight down-wind.? For much of this same arc, without a whisker pole, the foresail becomes useless because it is blanketed by the main.

Now, if I could only find the time to get my boat ready to sail for this season?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On May 26, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

?

> Peter has an
> impressive whisker pole setup highlighted on his youtube videos that I may
> attempt to replicate at some point.

...

  

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue May 26 21:34:04 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 21:34:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - simple suggestions for
 gentle-breeze late afternoons?
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Larry,

I don?t know if you?ve been on the list long enough to remember Rummy, a long-time list member and Rhodes sailer and a much beloved character. I think it is safe to say that he was in the KISS school of sailing (much like Stan in that regard I suppose).  In past discussions of whisker poles, I recall that he was an advocate of using an extendable boat hook.  I?m a bit fuzzy on the details, but I think the tip was put through the grommet at the clew of the jib, and the handle was jammed against the grab rail and the forward lower shroud.  

I can see how something like this might work, right up until the moment when it stops working.  But, if you?re careful, and wouldn?t be too upset by suddenly turning a boat hook into scrap metal, this could be a solution.

?Peter
 

> On May 26, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Those both sound like great solutions for sailing the boat hard downwind.
> I mostly need one for really light breezes of 5-8 knots, going downwind on the lake as the the wind dies off late in the afternoon.  Does anyone have any simple non-installed suggestions they use for that?  A non-R22 friend of mine said just get an extending camping pole of some sort. 
> Without one I tend to do broad reaches, tacking downwind.
> Larrys/v Language of LoveLake George, NY
> s/v <As yet unnamed>Keystone Lake, Tampa, FL


From lgioia at yahoo.com  Tue May 26 22:05:16 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 02:05:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - simple suggestions for
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 Thanks!? I've only been on the list for a week now, so didn't know Rummy - great name though!? That suggestion sounds like it would accomplish 2 things - a handy whisker pole, and a good story when I manage to mess it up.? I'll drill a small hole near the handle, tie on a little carabiner clip, and hook it to something to keep it from going over the side.Speaking of going over the side: I may have mentioned that I sailed on Exxon tankers as an engineer after Maritime College ('79-'84, yes I'm old!).? On trips from Alaska to Panama we used to throw around a football on deck, until it would eventually go over the side.? We figured we'd pick it a week or 2 later on the way back, but never did see one.??We did pick up some guys in bad shape on a life raft 100 miles or so off Jacksonville, but that's another story.
Larry
    On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 09:34:58 PM EDT, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:  
 
 Larry,

I don?t know if you?ve been on the list long enough to remember Rummy, a long-time list member and Rhodes sailer and a much beloved character. I think it is safe to say that he was in the KISS school of sailing (much like Stan in that regard I suppose).? In past discussions of whisker poles, I recall that he was an advocate of using an extendable boat hook.? I?m a bit fuzzy on the details, but I think the tip was put through the grommet at the clew of the jib, and the handle was jammed against the grab rail and the forward lower shroud.? 

I can see how something like this might work, right up until the moment when it stops working.? But, if you?re careful, and wouldn?t be too upset by suddenly turning a boat hook into scrap metal, this could be a solution.

?Peter
 

> On May 26, 2020, at 9:07 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Those both sound like great solutions for sailing the boat hard downwind.
> I mostly need one for really light breezes of 5-8 knots, going downwind on the lake as the the wind dies off late in the afternoon.? Does anyone have any simple non-installed suggestions they use for that?? A non-R22 friend of mine said just get an extending camping pole of some sort. 
> Without one I tend to do broad reaches, tacking downwind.
> Larrys/v Language of LoveLake George, NY
> s/v <As yet unnamed>Keystone Lake, Tampa, FL
  

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue May 26 22:33:27 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 02:33:27 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - simple suggestions for
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Peter,

You are a big boy and can put whatever you want on your boat.  For what it?s worth, I recommend the Forespar M/N:  HD 6 12-DL Heavy-Duty Twist Lock Whisker Pole.  There are lighter duty poles available; but, sooner or later your genoa is going to fold it half!  As far as using an extending camping tent pole, well good luck with that.  In my experience, using inadequate gear always costs more in the end.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 9:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - simple suggestions for gentle-breeze late afternoons?

Those both sound like great solutions for sailing the boat hard downwind.
I mostly need one for really light breezes of 5-8 knots, going downwind on the lake as the the wind dies off late in the afternoon.  Does anyone have any simple non-installed suggestions they use for that?  A non-R22 friend of mine said just get an extending camping pole of some sort.
Without one I tend to do broad reaches, tacking downwind.
Larrys/v Language of LoveLake George, NY
s/v <As yet unnamed>Keystone Lake, Tampa, FL
    On Tuesday, May 26, 2020, 08:46:27 PM EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

 Peter,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has the ability to store the whisker and spinnaker poles vertically against the mast.  But, I only have 3 ft of T-track mounted down low and the HD Dwyer fixed ring mounted up the mast.  I used fine threaded fasteners like you did.  But, because of the thin mast wall sectional thickness, I also epoxied the threads when I installed the T-track and fixed ring.  So far, I haven?t had any T-track or fixed ring failures and I sail my boat pretty hard.  I tried sailing with the pole up against the mast this way and noticed a significant difference in windage, heeling moment, and ability to trim the mainsail because the pole was messing up the airflow around the mast.  We now store the poles down low  in dedicated chocks on the foredeck when we are sailing.  However, at a dock or at anchor, we often stow the poles up against the mast to clear the foredeck.  Mainly, the T-track allows the sail trimmer to adjust the vertical height of the inboard end of the whisker pole or spinnaker pole so as to level the pole relative to the clew of the sail.  Having the pole level causes the downwind sail to present the most projected area to the wind, thus maximizing thrust.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 5:22 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - A Word of Caution

One of the limitations of YouTube videos is that there?s no way to edit or add an addendum to a video after it?s been published.  The whisker pole video could use an addendum.  For those interested, the original video on rigging a whisker pole is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7d-D0qNhg <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_7d-D0qNhg>

The video shows me mounting 10? of T-track to the forward face of the mast.  This was done with 1/4? x 28 tpi flat head bolts screwed into holes drilled and tapped into the mast at a spacing of 4?.  I?d guesstimate that the aluminum mast is about 1/8? thick along this face.

The track serves two purposes.  When the whisker pole is being stored on the mast, both ends are attached to cars that can slide on the track.  When the whisker pole is in use, the mast end of the pole remained attached to its movable car.  This allowed the position of the mast end of the pole to be adjusted up-and-down.

The attachment of the track to the mast was not strong enough to serve in the second use-case.  On a boisterous crossing of Nantucket Sound, while sailing wing-on-wing with my 175% genoa, the bottom 3 feet of track pulled free from the mast.  So, I can?t really recommend the approach I took in the video.

Now, I still use the track for storing the whisker pole, but I have a fixed ring bolted to the front on the mast which secures the mast end of the whisker pole when it is deployed.  I got the ring from Dwyer; I?m pretty sure it?s part # 'DH 668?.  It?s secured to the mast with six 1/4? bolts that are at angles of about 45 degrees from athwart-ships, so two sets of 3 about 90 degrees from each other.  Intuitively, this feels much stronger.

Despite this mishap, I?m very happy to have the whisker pole aboard.  It can be used to set up a wing-on-wing configuration over an arc of 40 to 45 degrees either side of straight down-wind.  For much of this same arc, without a whisker pole, the foresail becomes useless because it is blanketed by the main.

Now, if I could only find the time to get my boat ready to sail for this season?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


> On May 26, 2020, at 1:28 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

?

> Peter has an
> impressive whisker pole setup highlighted on his youtube videos that I may
> attempt to replicate at some point.

...




From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue May 26 23:13:47 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 23:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - simple suggestions for
 gentle-breeze late afternoons?
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Roger,

The pole you recommend is the pole I have.  This is in part due to your recommendation somewhere way back in the early days of the archives of this list.  For the type of sailing that I do, I wouldn?t use anything less.

Larry asked for a light air alternative, and I offered him one with a warning about the possibility of failure.  Larry?s response would indicate that he is aware of the pros and cons.  

I decided that the solution that you suggested was the right one for me.  Larry can decide what?s right for him.  

?Peter


> On May 26, 2020, at 10:33 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> 
> You are a big boy and can put whatever you want on your boat.  For what it?s worth, I recommend the Forespar M/N:  HD 6 12-DL Heavy-Duty Twist Lock Whisker Pole.  There are lighter duty poles available; but, sooner or later your genoa is going to fold it half!  As far as using an extending camping tent pole, well good luck with that.  In my experience, using inadequate gear always costs more in the end.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed May 27 06:48:29 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 10:48:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - simple suggestions for
 gentle-breeze late afternoons?
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Peter & Larry,

I won?t have gear on my boat that I can only use in a limited range of conditions.  Every time I used such a piece of gear, I?d be wondering, ?Are the conditions gentle enough to use this??  If conditions suddenly get heavier, the 1st thing I?d be worrying about is getting the weak gear taken down vs. enjoying the stronger breeze.  Finally, although the weak gear might be OK for light conditions and proper use; sooner or later everyone makes a mistake, or a powerboat towing a water skier falls right in front of you & you must swerve, or an unintended gybe, or you must suddenly swerve to avoid a piece of debris in the water, etc.  The weak gear may fail at just the moment you needed it to work, leaving the foresail all tangled up, the foredeck a mess, and you unable to maneuver.

We all make choices and I have tried to explain mine.  Larry, just make certain you make your choices with your eyes wide open.  Then, go enjoy your boat!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:14 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - simple suggestions for gentle-breeze late afternoons?

Roger,

The pole you recommend is the pole I have.  This is in part due to your recommendation somewhere way back in the early days of the archives of this list.  For the type of sailing that I do, I wouldn?t use anything less.

Larry asked for a light air alternative, and I offered him one with a warning about the possibility of failure.  Larry?s response would indicate that he is aware of the pros and cons.

I decided that the solution that you suggested was the right one for me.  Larry can decide what?s right for him.

?Peter


> On May 26, 2020, at 10:33 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> You are a big boy and can put whatever you want on your boat.  For what it?s worth, I recommend the Forespar M/N:  HD 6 12-DL Heavy-Duty Twist Lock Whisker Pole.  There are lighter duty poles available; but, sooner or later your genoa is going to fold it half!  As far as using an extending camping tent pole, well good luck with that.  In my experience, using inadequate gear always costs more in the end.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From lgioia at yahoo.com  Wed May 27 07:59:24 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 07:59:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - simple suggestions for
	gentle-breeze late afternoons?
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?Hi Roger,
 
Thanks, I wholeheartedly agree with having equipment able to withstand a wide range of conditions. I do wing & wing somewhat frequently when lazily returning on a late afternoon with a Southerly breeze behind me thats slowly dying, and the jib not quite having enough air to stay out there. Almost no boats on the lake except the occasional http://www.lakegeorgesteamboat.com boats heading out on their dinner runs. Peter?s mention of Rummy?s suggestion using an extendable boat hook seems fine for that though not for every condition. 
 
Heading there next week if all seems okay up there covid-wise. Happy sailing everyone! 
 
Larry

> On May 27, 2020, at 6:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Peter & Larry,
> 
> I won?t have gear on my boat that I can only use in a limited range of conditions.  Every time I used such a piece of gear, I?d be wondering, ?Are the conditions gentle enough to use this??  If conditions suddenly get heavier, the 1st thing I?d be worrying about is getting the weak gear taken down vs. enjoying the stronger breeze.  Finally, although the weak gear might be OK for light conditions and proper use; sooner or later everyone makes a mistake, or a powerboat towing a water skier falls right in front of you & you must swerve, or an unintended gybe, or you must suddenly swerve to avoid a piece of debris in the water, etc.  The weak gear may fail at just the moment you needed it to work, leaving the foresail all tangled up, the foredeck a mess, and you unable to maneuver.
> 
> We all make choices and I have tried to explain mine.  Larry, just make certain you make your choices with your eyes wide open.  Then, go enjoy your boat!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 11:14 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - simple suggestions for gentle-breeze late afternoons?
> 
> Roger,
> 
> The pole you recommend is the pole I have.  This is in part due to your recommendation somewhere way back in the early days of the archives of this list.  For the type of sailing that I do, I wouldn?t use anything less.
> 
> Larry asked for a light air alternative, and I offered him one with a warning about the possibility of failure.  Larry?s response would indicate that he is aware of the pros and cons.
> 
> I decided that the solution that you suggested was the right one for me.  Larry can decide what?s right for him.
> 
> ?Peter
> 
> 
>>> On May 26, 2020, at 10:33 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> Peter,
>> You are a big boy and can put whatever you want on your boat.  For what it?s worth, I recommend the Forespar M/N:  HD 6 12-DL Heavy-Duty Twist Lock Whisker Pole.  There are lighter duty poles available; but, sooner or later your genoa is going to fold it half!  As far as using an extending camping tent pole, well good luck with that.  In my experience, using inadequate gear always costs more in the end.
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed May 27 09:42:13 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 08:42:13 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
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Hi Jesse,  haven?t really sailed the Midwest yet.  I found myself being
intrigued by lake Oahe in SD. Kind of narrow but gee it goes on forever. A
real Huck Finn adventure. Probably one way north to south though. Milford
does indeed look nice. A bit more convoluted shore which makes for nice
camping. Let me know if you decide to head this way and maybe we can sail
together.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 12:10, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I know this must sound crazy to those on the coast, but I might make it
> down
> to Kansas (perhaps not quite a sailing mecca) sometime on some road trips
> to
> larger lakes in the midwest that are not too far of a drive.  Home for
> Zephyr is Lake Manawa which is quite small... let's just say that you get
> plenty of practice tacking and jibing.
>
> Such is life when you are a WAFI residing in Omaha, Nebraska.  I had heard
> that Perry Lake and Milford Lake in Kansas are pretty nice as far as
> reservoirs on the prairie go.  I guess I can add on the "Tuddle Puddle" on
> to the list.  Feel free to share if you have any recommendations for good
> size lakes in the midwest.
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed May 27 10:30:05 2020
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 10:30:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Torqeedo article
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I came across an article that may interest some new(er) Rhodes 22 owners
and probably Stan too. I thought I saw that Stan put a Torqeedo on a new
boat at the last show. It might be helpful to have practical results. (I'd
bet our resident engineer will enjoy this article).

https://hobb-etz.de/en/2020/05/23/wie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-travel-wirklich/

Todd T

On Wed, May 27, 2020, 9:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Jesse,  haven?t really sailed the Midwest yet.  I found myself being
> intrigued by lake Oahe in SD. Kind of narrow but gee it goes on forever. A
> real Huck Finn adventure. Probably one way north to south though. Milford
> does indeed look nice. A bit more convoluted shore which makes for nice
> camping. Let me know if you decide to head this way and maybe we can sail
> together.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 12:10, Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I know this must sound crazy to those on the coast, but I might make it
> > down
> > to Kansas (perhaps not quite a sailing mecca) sometime on some road trips
> > to
> > larger lakes in the midwest that are not too far of a drive.  Home for
> > Zephyr is Lake Manawa which is quite small... let's just say that you get
> > plenty of practice tacking and jibing.
> >
> > Such is life when you are a WAFI residing in Omaha, Nebraska.  I had
> heard
> > that Perry Lake and Milford Lake in Kansas are pretty nice as far as
> > reservoirs on the prairie go.  I guess I can add on the "Tuddle Puddle"
> on
> > to the list.  Feel free to share if you have any recommendations for good
> > size lakes in the midwest.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed May 27 16:41:47 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 16:41:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Torqeedo article
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This article is very interesting.

Please note that in the test graphs, Reichweite is range (in km) and Geschwindigkeit is speed (in km/h).

The idea of cruising at 250W (2.5 to 3 mph for 12 miles) seems very interesting. The addition of a standard 3.3' x 5.5' solar panel should be able to generate the necessary 250W in full sunlight (15W/sq ft).

Verrrrry interrrrresting as Arte Johnson (the German on Laugh-in) used to say.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:30 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Torqeedo article

I came across an article that may interest some new(er) Rhodes 22 owners and probably Stan too. I thought I saw that Stan put a Torqeedo on a new boat at the last show. It might be helpful to have practical results. (I'd bet our resident engineer will enjoy this article).

https://hobb-etz.de/en/2020/05/23/wie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-travel-wirklich/

Todd T

On Wed, May 27, 2020, 9:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Jesse,  haven?t really sailed the Midwest yet.  I found myself 
> being intrigued by lake Oahe in SD. Kind of narrow but gee it goes on 
> forever. A real Huck Finn adventure. Probably one way north to south 
> though. Milford does indeed look nice. A bit more convoluted shore 
> which makes for nice camping. Let me know if you decide to head this 
> way and maybe we can sail together.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 12:10, Jesse Shumaker < 
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I know this must sound crazy to those on the coast, but I might make 
> > it down to Kansas (perhaps not quite a sailing mecca) sometime on 
> > some road trips to larger lakes in the midwest that are not too far 
> > of a drive.  Home for Zephyr is Lake Manawa which is quite small... 
> > let's just say that you get plenty of practice tacking and jibing.
> >
> > Such is life when you are a WAFI residing in Omaha, Nebraska.  I had
> heard
> > that Perry Lake and Milford Lake in Kansas are pretty nice as far as 
> > reservoirs on the prairie go.  I guess I can add on the "Tuddle Puddle"
> on
> > to the list.  Feel free to share if you have any recommendations for 
> > good size lakes in the midwest.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>


From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed May 27 17:39:45 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:39:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Torqeedo article
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I'm also very interested.  A look at their web site shows the Travel is rated at 3hp.  A bit slight for our boats.
https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/products/outboards/travel
The Cruise model (5hp) might be a better option.  If I had shore power at my slip I'd probably spring for one.  I tired of messing with my gas powered motor.
The guy in the slip next to me had a Torqeedo on his 17 footer and it worked well for day sailing.  At the end of the day he would remove the battery, throw it in his duffel bag, and take it home to charge it for the next day.  These babies are not cheap though, but then neither are gas powered motors. - rob

Travel - Electric outboards up to 3 HP - Torqeedo<https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/products/outboards/travel>
Travel Outboards For tenders, dinghies and daysailers up to 1.5 tons. With its integrated lithium battery and outstanding efficiency, our Travel is a great alternative to any small petrol outboard. It can do everything a 3 HP outboard motor can, but is lighter, cleaner, quieter, and more convenient.
www.torqeedo.com

Travel - Electric outboards up to 3 HP - Torqeedo<https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/products/outboards/travel>
Travel Outboards For tenders, dinghies and daysailers up to 1.5 tons. With its integrated lithium battery and outstanding efficiency, our Travel is a great alternative to any small petrol outboard. It can do everything a 3 HP outboard motor can, but is lighter, cleaner, quieter, and more convenient.
www.torqeedo.com


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:41 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Torqeedo article

This article is very interesting.

Please note that in the test graphs, Reichweite is range (in km) and Geschwindigkeit is speed (in km/h).

The idea of cruising at 250W (2.5 to 3 mph for 12 miles) seems very interesting. The addition of a standard 3.3' x 5.5' solar panel should be able to generate the necessary 250W in full sunlight (15W/sq ft).

Verrrrry interrrrresting as Arte Johnson (the German on Laugh-in) used to say.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:30 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Torqeedo article

I came across an article that may interest some new(er) Rhodes 22 owners and probably Stan too. I thought I saw that Stan put a Torqeedo on a new boat at the last show. It might be helpful to have practical results. (I'd bet our resident engineer will enjoy this article).

https://hobb-etz.de/en/2020/05/23/wie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-travel-wirklich/

Todd T

On Wed, May 27, 2020, 9:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Jesse,  haven?t really sailed the Midwest yet.  I found myself
> being intrigued by lake Oahe in SD. Kind of narrow but gee it goes on
> forever. A real Huck Finn adventure. Probably one way north to south
> though. Milford does indeed look nice. A bit more convoluted shore
> which makes for nice camping. Let me know if you decide to head this
> way and maybe we can sail together.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 12:10, Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I know this must sound crazy to those on the coast, but I might make
> > it down to Kansas (perhaps not quite a sailing mecca) sometime on
> > some road trips to larger lakes in the midwest that are not too far
> > of a drive.  Home for Zephyr is Lake Manawa which is quite small...
> > let's just say that you get plenty of practice tacking and jibing.
> >
> > Such is life when you are a WAFI residing in Omaha, Nebraska.  I had
> heard
> > that Perry Lake and Milford Lake in Kansas are pretty nice as far as
> > reservoirs on the prairie go.  I guess I can add on the "Tuddle Puddle"
> on
> > to the list.  Feel free to share if you have any recommendations for
> > good size lakes in the midwest.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>


From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Wed May 27 20:04:08 2020
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 17:04:08 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Torqeedo article
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Hi all- I sail on a small Lake (14 square miles ) and for 10 years the
three horsepower equivalent torqeedo has worked just fine for getting me in
and out of the slip. Not so good against waves or current. As with all
electric motors slow and steady is better than hard and fast.

I used to take my battery home, but this year  I'm going to try charging
off my 12 volt  outlet using the torqeedo charging cable I purchased.

Looks like we may get at most six to eight weeks of sailing as the lake
started about 3 ft below full pool and evaporation takes away a couple of
of inches a day.

Cheers,
Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo



On Wed, May 27, 2020, 2:39 PM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> I'm also very interested.  A look at their web site shows the Travel is
> rated at 3hp.  A bit slight for our boats.
> https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/products/outboards/travel
> The Cruise model (5hp) might be a better option.  If I had shore power at
> my slip I'd probably spring for one.  I tired of messing with my gas
> powered motor.
> The guy in the slip next to me had a Torqeedo on his 17 footer and it
> worked well for day sailing.  At the end of the day he would remove the
> battery, throw it in his duffel bag, and take it home to charge it for the
> next day.  These babies are not cheap though, but then neither are gas
> powered motors. - rob
>
> Travel - Electric outboards up to 3 HP - Torqeedo<
> https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/products/outboards/travel>
> Travel Outboards For tenders, dinghies and daysailers up to 1.5 tons. With
> its integrated lithium battery and outstanding efficiency, our Travel is a
> great alternative to any small petrol outboard. It can do everything a 3 HP
> outboard motor can, but is lighter, cleaner, quieter, and more convenient.
> www.torqeedo.com
>
> Travel - Electric outboards up to 3 HP - Torqeedo<
> https://www.torqeedo.com/us/en-us/products/outboards/travel>
> Travel Outboards For tenders, dinghies and daysailers up to 1.5 tons. With
> its integrated lithium battery and outstanding efficiency, our Travel is a
> great alternative to any small petrol outboard. It can do everything a 3 HP
> outboard motor can, but is lighter, cleaner, quieter, and more convenient.
> www.torqeedo.com
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 4:41 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Torqeedo article
>
> This article is very interesting.
>
> Please note that in the test graphs, Reichweite is range (in km) and
> Geschwindigkeit is speed (in km/h).
>
> The idea of cruising at 250W (2.5 to 3 mph for 12 miles) seems very
> interesting. The addition of a standard 3.3' x 5.5' solar panel should be
> able to generate the necessary 250W in full sunlight (15W/sq ft).
>
> Verrrrry interrrrresting as Arte Johnson (the German on Laugh-in) used to
> say.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Todd Tavares
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:30 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Torqeedo article
>
> I came across an article that may interest some new(er) Rhodes 22 owners
> and probably Stan too. I thought I saw that Stan put a Torqeedo on a new
> boat at the last show. It might be helpful to have practical results. (I'd
> bet our resident engineer will enjoy this article).
>
>
> https://hobb-etz.de/en/2020/05/23/wie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-travel-wirklich/
>
> Todd T
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2020, 9:42 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jesse,  haven?t really sailed the Midwest yet.  I found myself
> > being intrigued by lake Oahe in SD. Kind of narrow but gee it goes on
> > forever. A real Huck Finn adventure. Probably one way north to south
> > though. Milford does indeed look nice. A bit more convoluted shore
> > which makes for nice camping. Let me know if you decide to head this
> > way and maybe we can sail together.
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> >
> > On Tue, 26 May 2020 at 12:10, Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I know this must sound crazy to those on the coast, but I might make
> > > it down to Kansas (perhaps not quite a sailing mecca) sometime on
> > > some road trips to larger lakes in the midwest that are not too far
> > > of a drive.  Home for Zephyr is Lake Manawa which is quite small...
> > > let's just say that you get plenty of practice tacking and jibing.
> > >
> > > Such is life when you are a WAFI residing in Omaha, Nebraska.  I had
> > heard
> > > that Perry Lake and Milford Lake in Kansas are pretty nice as far as
> > > reservoirs on the prairie go.  I guess I can add on the "Tuddle Puddle"
> > on
> > > to the list.  Feel free to share if you have any recommendations for
> > > good size lakes in the midwest.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed May 27 22:56:40 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 22:56:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - Why Horizontal
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Roger,

One of the reasons I originally rigged the whisker pole with the inboard end attached to a car on the T-track, was that I read repeatedly that in use, the pole should be set up to be horizontal.  A movable attachment point would always allow you to do that.  I don?t recall ever reading an explanation for why horizontal is the proper orientation for the pole, until now.  But I still don?t get it.  It?s not that I doubt that there?s a valid reason, but the light bulb in my head is still definitely not turned on.

I can see how the position of the outboard end of the pole is important.  It controls the direction that the sheet is pulling the clew of the foresail, which affects the shape of the sail.  But with a topping lift, a fore-guy and and after-guy, the outboard end of the pole can be positioned without regard to the position of the inboard end.  I just can?t grasp why the position of inboard end matters.

I?m also a bit confused by the term ?downwind sail?.  Which sail is that?

I?m only concerned here with a whisker pole with a jib or genoa.  Spinnakers are not in my wheelhouse.

Thanks for any insights you can provide,

?Peter


> On May 26, 2020, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
...
> Mainly, the T-track allows the sail trimmer to adjust the vertical height of the inboard end of the whisker pole or spinnaker pole so as to level the pole relative to the clew of the sail.  Having the pole level causes the downwind sail to present the most projected area to the wind, thus maximizing thrust.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed May 27 23:33:00 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 03:33:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - Why Horizontal
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Peter,

The downwind sail is the spinnaker or genoa that is poled out, i.e. a spinnaker or genoa/whisker pole combination that is only used on a downwind point of sail.  On a run, any sail behaves more like a parachute vs. a wing.  Projected sail area presented to the wind is the most important factor.  It?s trigonometry, having the pole horizontal causes the clew of the sail to stick out further than any other possible orientation, thus maximizing projected area.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 10:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - Why Horizontal

Roger,

One of the reasons I originally rigged the whisker pole with the inboard end attached to a car on the T-track, was that I read repeatedly that in use, the pole should be set up to be horizontal.  A movable attachment point would always allow you to do that.  I don?t recall ever reading an explanation for why horizontal is the proper orientation for the pole, until now.  But I still don?t get it.  It?s not that I doubt that there?s a valid reason, but the light bulb in my head is still definitely not turned on.

I can see how the position of the outboard end of the pole is important.  It controls the direction that the sheet is pulling the clew of the foresail, which affects the shape of the sail.  But with a topping lift, a fore-guy and and after-guy, the outboard end of the pole can be positioned without regard to the position of the inboard end.  I just can?t grasp why the position of inboard end matters.

I?m also a bit confused by the term ?downwind sail?.  Which sail is that?

I?m only concerned here with a whisker pole with a jib or genoa.  Spinnakers are not in my wheelhouse.

Thanks for any insights you can provide,

?Peter


> On May 26, 2020, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
...
> Mainly, the T-track allows the sail trimmer to adjust the vertical height of the inboard end of the whisker pole or spinnaker pole so as to level the pole relative to the clew of the sail.  Having the pole level causes the downwind sail to present the most projected area to the wind, thus maximizing thrust.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>


From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu May 28 13:41:45 2020
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 10:41:45 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
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Jesse.

I also grew up in Missouri, then Kansas.   Perry Lake 30 years ago was muddy
power boat territory, not worth visiting on a weekend between April and
October.   We daysailed a Bucc 18 as a family on Clinton near Lawrence KS
around that time.   It wasn't bad, except for the semi submerged trees.  
For reasons I dismiss as temporary unwelcome sanity, I never explored the
sailing club when I was at KSU.  I'd give them a call and see what advice
their commodore can give you before you decide to haul the boat.    It looks
like they are still an active organization, they'd probably be fun to hang
with if social restrictions allow.   

I'm primarily a puddle sailor as well, and pretty much memorized every tree
on my home reservoir.  Short tacking and the perpetually close lee shore
during a squall do make for some fun moments.   I really need more time on
the great lakes.   

Alex




-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Thu May 28 15:57:54 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 15:57:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
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My ?86 R22 didn?t have a stereo, so... driven by phone/bluetooth, waterproof, battery lasts 20hrs, sounds great. Okay, yes, $38 with velcro. 
  
And it doubles as my boathouse stereo. I wonder if I can use it as a whisker pole too...
  
Larry

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From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu May 28 16:25:23 2020
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 20:25:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
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Larry,
You are now ready for the Boating Playlist! This story is from this issue of Boat US.
https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist

Please take note of the Author's Choice list, which list's Gordan Lightfoot's "Christian Island" at number 2!  It even has the lyric that Peter drew his boat name from at the very end of the story.

"Tall and strong, she dips and reels. I call her Silver Heels, and I like the way she feels."

Rob
[https://www.boatus.com/-/media/images/boatus/twitter-cards_600x314/2020/june/lone-rowboat.ashx]<https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist>
The Boating Playlist | BoatUS<https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist>
The Boating Playlists. Playlist 1: The Starter Kit. Unless you haven't been a boater for more than about two weeks or you just want to visit some old music friends of your own, you can slip right out of this well-marked channel to the next playlists where we'll explore some lesser-known gunkholes of the music world.
www.boatus.com


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo

My ?86 R22 didn?t have a stereo, so... driven by phone/bluetooth, waterproof, battery lasts 20hrs, sounds great. Okay, yes, $38 with velcro.

And it doubles as my boathouse stereo. I wonder if I can use it as a whisker pole too...

Larry

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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu May 28 16:37:32 2020
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 16:37:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
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Don?t forget a couple of zip lock bags for the phone. If you trap air in the outer bag, it will even float!

They somehow always find their way to the water!

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)



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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo

My ?86 R22 didn?t have a stereo, so... driven by phone/bluetooth, waterproof, battery lasts 20hrs, sounds great. Okay, yes, $38 with velcro. 
  
And it doubles as my boathouse stereo. I wonder if I can use it as a whisker pole too...
  
Larry

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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu May 28 16:44:25 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 16:44:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole Rigging - Why Horizontal
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Roger,

Thanks for the explanation, it now makes perfect sense.  For a racer, I can see how maximizing the distance between the outboard end of the pole and the centerline of the boat can be important.  As a lackadaisical cruiser, if I?ve worked out the geometry correctly (which is an exercise I haven?t attempted in a long while), I don?t think I?m going to spend much time worrying about the fact that the inboard end of my whisker pole is now in a fixed position.  According to my calculations, if the mast end of the whisker pole is 6? off from its theoretically perfect position, the effective length of the pole is reduced by a bit less than an inch.  

Thanks again.  I hope you get to do some sailing this year ... somewhere.

?Peter

> On May 27, 2020, at 11:33 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> 
> The downwind sail is the spinnaker or genoa that is poled out, i.e. a spinnaker or genoa/whisker pole combination that is only used on a downwind point of sail.  On a run, any sail behaves more like a parachute vs. a wing.  Projected sail area presented to the wind is the most important factor.  It?s trigonometry, having the pole horizontal causes the clew of the sail to stick out further than any other possible orientation, thus maximizing projected area.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu May 28 17:05:49 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:05:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
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Now there?s a fellow with good taste. I do have a playlist for the boat, but it?s jazz that I often listen to during evenings on anchor.

Larry, years ago I asked the list for a recommendation for a water resistant bluetooth speaker and what was suggested was the Oontz Angle.  I think it?s about to embark on its fourth season.  Mine usually stays in the cabin, so the water resistance has never been tested.  The place you?ve got the velcro for yours is where my compass lives.  I do occasionally put it on the cabin roof in calm conditions.

For years I was annoyed that the Oontz had no way to display its battery level. Then one day I discovered by accident that if a bluetooth device is connected to my iPhone, the iPhone can tell you the battery level of the connected device.  If I knew a 12 year old, I could have probably just asked them.

?Peter 

> On May 28, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> Larry,
> You are now ready for the Boating Playlist! This story is from this issue of Boat US.
> https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist
> 
> Please take note of the Author's Choice list, which list's Gordan Lightfoot's "Christian Island" at number 2!  It even has the lyric that Peter drew his boat name from at the very end of the story.
> 
> "Tall and strong, she dips and reels. I call her Silver Heels, and I like the way she feels."
> 
> Rob
> [https://www.boatus.com/-/media/images/boatus/twitter-cards_600x314/2020/june/lone-rowboat.ashx]<https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist>
> The Boating Playlist | BoatUS<https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist>
> The Boating Playlists. Playlist 1: The Starter Kit. Unless you haven't been a boater for more than about two weeks or you just want to visit some old music friends of your own, you can slip right out of this well-marked channel to the next playlists where we'll explore some lesser-known gunkholes of the music world.
> www.boatus.com
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:57 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
> 
> My ?86 R22 didn?t have a stereo, so... driven by phone/bluetooth, waterproof, battery lasts 20hrs, sounds great. Okay, yes, $38 with velcro.
> 
> And it doubles as my boathouse stereo. I wonder if I can use it as a whisker pole too...
> 
> Larry
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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Thu May 28 17:33:50 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:33:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
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Thanks! Haven?t heard Jorma Kaukonen in forever! Better than the sailing yacht rock station on TuneIn - not that I don?t like the Pina Colada song, and that Key Largo song... 

> On May 28, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Larry,
> You are now ready for the Boating Playlist! This story is from this issue of Boat US.
> https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist
> 
> Please take note of the Author's Choice list, which list's Gordan Lightfoot's "Christian Island" at number 2!  It even has the lyric that Peter drew his boat name from at the very end of the story.
> 
> "Tall and strong, she dips and reels. I call her Silver Heels, and I like the way she feels."
> 
> Rob
> 
> The Boating Playlist | BoatUS
> The Boating Playlists. Playlist 1: The Starter Kit. Unless you haven't been a boater for more than about two weeks or you just want to visit some old music friends of your own, you can slip right out of this well-marked channel to the next playlists where we'll explore some lesser-known gunkholes of the music world.
> www.boatus.com
> 
> 
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:57 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
>  
> My ?86 R22 didn?t have a stereo, so... driven by phone/bluetooth, waterproof, battery lasts 20hrs, sounds great. Okay, yes, $38 with velcro. 
>   
> And it doubles as my boathouse stereo. I wonder if I can use it as a whisker pole too...
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> Larry
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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Thu May 28 17:33:50 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:33:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
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Thanks! Haven?t heard Jorma Kaukonen in forever! Better than the sailing yacht rock station on TuneIn - not that I don?t like the Pina Colada song, and that Key Largo song... 

> On May 28, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Larry,
> You are now ready for the Boating Playlist! This story is from this issue of Boat US.
> https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist
> 
> Please take note of the Author's Choice list, which list's Gordan Lightfoot's "Christian Island" at number 2!  It even has the lyric that Peter drew his boat name from at the very end of the story.
> 
> "Tall and strong, she dips and reels. I call her Silver Heels, and I like the way she feels."
> 
> Rob
> 
> The Boating Playlist | BoatUS
> The Boating Playlists. Playlist 1: The Starter Kit. Unless you haven't been a boater for more than about two weeks or you just want to visit some old music friends of your own, you can slip right out of this well-marked channel to the next playlists where we'll explore some lesser-known gunkholes of the music world.
> www.boatus.com
> 
> 
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:57 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
>  
> My ?86 R22 didn?t have a stereo, so... driven by phone/bluetooth, waterproof, battery lasts 20hrs, sounds great. Okay, yes, $38 with velcro. 
>   
> And it doubles as my boathouse stereo. I wonder if I can use it as a whisker pole too...
>   
> Larry
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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Thu May 28 17:39:24 2020
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:39:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
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I didn?t know about the battery level either - I need tips from a 12-yr-old too!  
  
And thanks to the other list-member for the tip about double-bagging the phone! 
  
Larry

> On May 28, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Now there?s a fellow with good taste. I do have a playlist for the boat, but it?s jazz that I often listen to during evenings on anchor.
> 
> Larry, years ago I asked the list for a recommendation for a water resistant bluetooth speaker and what was suggested was the Oontz Angle.  I think it?s about to embark on its fourth season.  Mine usually stays in the cabin, so the water resistance has never been tested.  The place you?ve got the velcro for yours is where my compass lives.  I do occasionally put it on the cabin roof in calm conditions.
> 
> For years I was annoyed that the Oontz had no way to display its battery level. Then one day I discovered by accident that if a bluetooth device is connected to my iPhone, the iPhone can tell you the battery level of the connected device.  If I knew a 12 year old, I could have probably just asked them.
> 
> ?Peter 
> 
>> On May 28, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Larry,
>> You are now ready for the Boating Playlist! This story is from this issue of Boat US.
>> https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist
>> 
>> Please take note of the Author's Choice list, which list's Gordan Lightfoot's "Christian Island" at number 2!  It even has the lyric that Peter drew his boat name from at the very end of the story.
>> 
>> "Tall and strong, she dips and reels. I call her Silver Heels, and I like the way she feels."
>> 
>> Rob
>> [https://www.boatus.com/-/media/images/boatus/twitter-cards_600x314/2020/june/lone-rowboat.ashx]<https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist>
>> The Boating Playlist | BoatUS<https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist>
>> The Boating Playlists. Playlist 1: The Starter Kit. Unless you haven't been a boater for more than about two weeks or you just want to visit some old music friends of your own, you can slip right out of this well-marked channel to the next playlists where we'll explore some lesser-known gunkholes of the music world.
>> www.boatus.com
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:57 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
>> 
>> My ?86 R22 didn?t have a stereo, so... driven by phone/bluetooth, waterproof, battery lasts 20hrs, sounds great. Okay, yes, $38 with velcro.
>> 
>> And it doubles as my boathouse stereo. I wonder if I can use it as a whisker pole too...
>> 
>> Larry
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Thu May 28 21:33:55 2020
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 21:33:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
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There sure are a lot of great tunes on that list. And any list that 
includes Richard Thompson is a bonus though I'm going to go have to find 
him doing The Mingulay Boat Song. I've heard lots of traditional singers 
do it but I'm not sure I've ever heard RT's version.

We actually rarely listen to music on the boat, preferring to listen to 
the sounds around us. But I do have fond memories of waking up early 
(early!) one summer morning as a crabber worked his trotline right next 
to where we were anchored in Swan Creek. He was playing Dire Straits 
"Sultans of Swing" over and over again so that we heard the song get 
louder as he approached us and then fade away as he worked out to the 
end of his line - over and over again. Maybe we were right in his 
favorite spot and he was hoping we'd move but I like the song.

And then there was our introduction to a pop song that became a big hit. 
We were anchored in a beautiful quiet spot on Sue Creek, a very wide, 
shallow creek off the Middle River on the Western Shore of the Bay. It 
was quiet until around 6 or 7 pm when a party started at a house on the 
far side of the creek. It was a good distance away but they cranked the 
stereo up loud (loud!) and started playing "Who Let the Dogs Out" over 
and over again. We'd never heard the song before but it certainly made 
an impression. Fortunately they packed it in around 11 pm. I don't know 
how many times we listened to that song but it certainly was memorable.

Mary Lou
ex R22
now Rosborough FR-246? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 5/28/2020 5:05 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> Now there?s a fellow with good taste. I do have a playlist for the boat, but it?s jazz that I often listen to during evenings on anchor.
>
> Larry, years ago I asked the list for a recommendation for a water resistant bluetooth speaker and what was suggested was the Oontz Angle.  I think it?s about to embark on its fourth season.  Mine usually stays in the cabin, so the water resistance has never been tested.  The place you?ve got the velcro for yours is where my compass lives.  I do occasionally put it on the cabin roof in calm conditions.
>
> For years I was annoyed that the Oontz had no way to display its battery level. Then one day I discovered by accident that if a bluetooth device is connected to my iPhone, the iPhone can tell you the battery level of the connected device.  If I knew a 12 year old, I could have probably just asked them.
>
> ?Peter
>
>> On May 28, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Larry,
>> You are now ready for the Boating Playlist! This story is from this issue of Boat US.
>> https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist
>>
>> Please take note of the Author's Choice list, which list's Gordan Lightfoot's "Christian Island" at number 2!  It even has the lyric that Peter drew his boat name from at the very end of the story.
>>
>> "Tall and strong, she dips and reels. I call her Silver Heels, and I like the way she feels."
>>
>> Rob
>> [https://www.boatus.com/-/media/images/boatus/twitter-cards_600x314/2020/june/lone-rowboat.ashx]<https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist>
>> The Boating Playlist | BoatUS<https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist>
>> The Boating Playlists. Playlist 1: The Starter Kit. Unless you haven't been a boater for more than about two weeks or you just want to visit some old music friends of your own, you can slip right out of this well-marked channel to the next playlists where we'll explore some lesser-known gunkholes of the music world.
>> www.boatus.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:57 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
>>
>> My ?86 R22 didn?t have a stereo, so... driven by phone/bluetooth, waterproof, battery lasts 20hrs, sounds great. Okay, yes, $38 with velcro.
>>
>> And it doubles as my boathouse stereo. I wonder if I can use it as a whisker pole too...
>>
>> Larry
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu May 28 22:01:03 2020
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 21:01:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
In-Reply-To: <b49a572f-1eb6-ddfb-723a-00ee52e890c7@atlanticbb.net>
References: <15B0E70D-1E68-4DA4-8057-672B44F5B5AE.ref@yahoo.com>
 <15B0E70D-1E68-4DA4-8057-672B44F5B5AE@yahoo.com>
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As they say, thanks for the memories Mary Lou. I enjoyed your evocative
descriptions.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 20:34, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> There sure are a lot of great tunes on that list. And any list that
> includes Richard Thompson is a bonus though I'm going to go have to find
> him doing The Mingulay Boat Song. I've heard lots of traditional singers
> do it but I'm not sure I've ever heard RT's version.
>
> We actually rarely listen to music on the boat, preferring to listen to
> the sounds around us. But I do have fond memories of waking up early
> (early!) one summer morning as a crabber worked his trotline right next
> to where we were anchored in Swan Creek. He was playing Dire Straits
> "Sultans of Swing" over and over again so that we heard the song get
> louder as he approached us and then fade away as he worked out to the
> end of his line - over and over again. Maybe we were right in his
> favorite spot and he was hoping we'd move but I like the song.
>
> And then there was our introduction to a pop song that became a big hit.
> We were anchored in a beautiful quiet spot on Sue Creek, a very wide,
> shallow creek off the Middle River on the Western Shore of the Bay. It
> was quiet until around 6 or 7 pm when a party started at a house on the
> far side of the creek. It was a good distance away but they cranked the
> stereo up loud (loud!) and started playing "Who Let the Dogs Out" over
> and over again. We'd never heard the song before but it certainly made
> an impression. Fortunately they packed it in around 11 pm. I don't know
> how many times we listened to that song but it certainly was memorable.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex R22
> now Rosborough FR-246  Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> On 5/28/2020 5:05 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> > Now there?s a fellow with good taste. I do have a playlist for the boat,
> but it?s jazz that I often listen to during evenings on anchor.
> >
> > Larry, years ago I asked the list for a recommendation for a water
> resistant bluetooth speaker and what was suggested was the Oontz Angle.  I
> think it?s about to embark on its fourth season.  Mine usually stays in the
> cabin, so the water resistance has never been tested.  The place you?ve got
> the velcro for yours is where my compass lives.  I do occasionally put it
> on the cabin roof in calm conditions.
> >
> > For years I was annoyed that the Oontz had no way to display its battery
> level. Then one day I discovered by accident that if a bluetooth device is
> connected to my iPhone, the iPhone can tell you the battery level of the
> connected device.  If I knew a 12 year old, I could have probably just
> asked them.
> >
> > ?Peter
> >
> >> On May 28, 2020, at 4:25 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> Larry,
> >> You are now ready for the Boating Playlist! This story is from this
> issue of Boat US.
> >>
> https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist
> >>
> >> Please take note of the Author's Choice list, which list's Gordan
> Lightfoot's "Christian Island" at number 2!  It even has the lyric that
> Peter drew his boat name from at the very end of the story.
> >>
> >> "Tall and strong, she dips and reels. I call her Silver Heels, and I
> like the way she feels."
> >>
> >> Rob
> >> [
> https://www.boatus.com/-/media/images/boatus/twitter-cards_600x314/2020/june/lone-rowboat.ashx
> ]<
> https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist
> >
> >> The Boating Playlist | BoatUS<
> https://www.boatus.com/expert-advice/expert-advice-archive/2020/june/the-boating-playlist
> >
> >> The Boating Playlists. Playlist 1: The Starter Kit. Unless you haven't
> been a boater for more than about two weeks or you just want to visit some
> old music friends of your own, you can slip right out of this well-marked
> channel to the next playlists where we'll explore some lesser-known
> gunkholes of the music world.
> >> www.boatus.com
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 3:57 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
> >>
> >> My ?86 R22 didn?t have a stereo, so... driven by phone/bluetooth,
> waterproof, battery lasts 20hrs, sounds great. Okay, yes, $38 with velcro.
> >>
> >> And it doubles as my boathouse stereo. I wonder if I can use it as a
> whisker pole too...
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
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From daysails at aol.com  Fri May 29 06:37:26 2020
From: daysails at aol.com (Joe Riley)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 03:37:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] $35 stereo
In-Reply-To: <15B0E70D-1E68-4DA4-8057-672B44F5B5AE@yahoo.com>
References: <15B0E70D-1E68-4DA4-8057-672B44F5B5AE@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1590748646820-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Thanks for the solution to my speaker selection problem.  



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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri May 29 17:28:51 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 17:28:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Askew
In-Reply-To: <1590748646820-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <15B0E70D-1E68-4DA4-8057-672B44F5B5AE@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <6E505850-35D8-49E4-ADDB-B7A1801DFA73@sunnybeeches.com>


For as long as I?ve owned Silverheels, when the boat is at rest the tiller will move firmly to the port side of the cockpit.  For years I?ve intended to investigate this phenomenon, but it?s hard to do when the boat is in the water, and then hard to remember when the boat is ashore.  Today, I finally remembered.

I transferred the boat from its trailer onto stands in preparation for working on the bottom.  I then put an 8? 2x4 across the cockpit combings, put a 4? level on top of that, and then leveled the boat port-to-starboard.  

I then put a level vertically on the transom along side the edge of the two gudgeons and found the the bottom one is about 1/2 an inch closer to the port side of the boat than the bottom one.  That may not sound like a lot, but if you take a step back, it?s quite easy to see that the rudder is not vertical and obviously not perpendicular to the rub-rail.

I think I have a pretty good idea of how to go about making the rudder vertical, but before I start, I thought it would be a good idea to check with the list (and Stan, if he?s out there).  

The rudder should be vertical, right?  The cockeyed rudder is not part of Phil Rhodes design and General Boats intellectual property, is it?

Just wanted to be sure.

Thanks,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)



From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri May 29 17:34:59 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 17:34:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Askew
In-Reply-To: <6E505850-35D8-49E4-ADDB-B7A1801DFA73@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <15B0E70D-1E68-4DA4-8057-672B44F5B5AE@yahoo.com>
 <1590748646820-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <6E505850-35D8-49E4-ADDB-B7A1801DFA73@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <996FF514-63EA-4862-BEB0-FC345E8E5E73@sunnybeeches.com>

Oops, bottom gudgeon is 1/2 to port relative to the TOP one.  ?Peter

> On May 29, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> For as long as I?ve owned Silverheels, when the boat is at rest the tiller will move firmly to the port side of the cockpit.  For years I?ve intended to investigate this phenomenon, but it?s hard to do when the boat is in the water, and then hard to remember when the boat is ashore.  Today, I finally remembered.
> 
> I transferred the boat from its trailer onto stands in preparation for working on the bottom.  I then put an 8? 2x4 across the cockpit combings, put a 4? level on top of that, and then leveled the boat port-to-starboard.  
> 
> I then put a level vertically on the transom along side the edge of the two gudgeons and found the the bottom one is about 1/2 an inch closer to the port side of the boat than the bottom one.  That may not sound like a lot, but if you take a step back, it?s quite easy to see that the rudder is not vertical and obviously not perpendicular to the rub-rail.
> 
> I think I have a pretty good idea of how to go about making the rudder vertical, but before I start, I thought it would be a good idea to check with the list (and Stan, if he?s out there).  
> 
> The rudder should be vertical, right?  The cockeyed rudder is not part of Phil Rhodes design and General Boats intellectual property, is it?
> 
> Just wanted to be sure.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
> 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri May 29 19:57:17 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 23:57:17 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Askew
In-Reply-To: <996FF514-63EA-4862-BEB0-FC345E8E5E73@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <15B0E70D-1E68-4DA4-8057-672B44F5B5AE@yahoo.com>
 <1590748646820-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <6E505850-35D8-49E4-ADDB-B7A1801DFA73@sunnybeeches.com>,
 <996FF514-63EA-4862-BEB0-FC345E8E5E73@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920EB7D33556734502A075C808F0@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Peter,

Whew, this is new one!  The thing about boats is there no such thing as square or plumb.  Everything is all faired curves and angles.  I guess what I would do is determine the midpoint of the transom on a line from gunnel to gunnel.  From this midpoint, draw a line down to the center of the curve at the bottom of the transom.  This curve has ~3? Radius and the center of it should be easy to determine.  Both gudgeons should be located on this transom centerline no matter if this line is exactly vertical or not.  As far as what the acceptable tolerance for being on the centerline is, you would have to ask Stan.  However, I would think it would be very helpful for him to have your measurement.  I can?t wait to hear the result of your measurement.

Good luck!

Roger Pihlaja 
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2020, at 5:35 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Oops, bottom gudgeon is 1/2 to port relative to the TOP one.  ?Peter
> 
>> On May 29, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> For as long as I?ve owned Silverheels, when the boat is at rest the tiller will move firmly to the port side of the cockpit.  For years I?ve intended to investigate this phenomenon, but it?s hard to do when the boat is in the water, and then hard to remember when the boat is ashore.  Today, I finally remembered.
>> 
>> I transferred the boat from its trailer onto stands in preparation for working on the bottom.  I then put an 8? 2x4 across the cockpit combings, put a 4? level on top of that, and then leveled the boat port-to-starboard.  
>> 
>> I then put a level vertically on the transom along side the edge of the two gudgeons and found the the bottom one is about 1/2 an inch closer to the port side of the boat than the bottom one.  That may not sound like a lot, but if you take a step back, it?s quite easy to see that the rudder is not vertical and obviously not perpendicular to the rub-rail.
>> 
>> I think I have a pretty good idea of how to go about making the rudder vertical, but before I start, I thought it would be a good idea to check with the list (and Stan, if he?s out there).  
>> 
>> The rudder should be vertical, right?  The cockeyed rudder is not part of Phil Rhodes design and General Boats intellectual property, is it?
>> 
>> Just wanted to be sure.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>> 
> 

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri May 29 21:26:35 2020
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 21:26:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Askew
In-Reply-To: <6E505850-35D8-49E4-ADDB-B7A1801DFA73@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <15B0E70D-1E68-4DA4-8057-672B44F5B5AE@yahoo.com>
 <1590748646820-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <6E505850-35D8-49E4-ADDB-B7A1801DFA73@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <014b01d63621$5d231810$17694830$@ca>

Peter:
I discovered during my rebuild that my rudder wasn't vertical either. I also discovered that the waterlines on the two sides of the boat were different - not that I had even noticed for the first twenty - odd years of ownership but when I decided to raise the waterline two inches and needed to determine where the new line needed to go the difference was quite noticeable. With a properly balanced waterline the boat sails muck more efficiently.

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 5:29 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Askew


For as long as I?ve owned Silverheels, when the boat is at rest the tiller will move firmly to the port side of the cockpit.  For years I?ve intended to investigate this phenomenon, but it?s hard to do when the boat is in the water, and then hard to remember when the boat is ashore.  Today, I finally remembered.

I transferred the boat from its trailer onto stands in preparation for working on the bottom.  I then put an 8? 2x4 across the cockpit combings, put a 4? level on top of that, and then leveled the boat port-to-starboard.  

I then put a level vertically on the transom along side the edge of the two gudgeons and found the the bottom one is about 1/2 an inch closer to the port side of the boat than the bottom one.  That may not sound like a lot, but if you take a step back, it?s quite easy to see that the rudder is not vertical and obviously not perpendicular to the rub-rail.

I think I have a pretty good idea of how to go about making the rudder vertical, but before I start, I thought it would be a good idea to check with the list (and Stan, if he?s out there).  

The rudder should be vertical, right?  The cockeyed rudder is not part of Phil Rhodes design and General Boats intellectual property, is it?

Just wanted to be sure.

Thanks,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)




From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat May 30 08:30:19 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 12:30:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Askew
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920EB7D33556734502A075C808F0@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <15B0E70D-1E68-4DA4-8057-672B44F5B5AE@yahoo.com>
 <1590748646820-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <6E505850-35D8-49E4-ADDB-B7A1801DFA73@sunnybeeches.com>,
 <996FF514-63EA-4862-BEB0-FC345E8E5E73@sunnybeeches.com>,
 <CH2PR02MB6920EB7D33556734502A075C808F0@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Peter,

Just for snicks and grins and because I have no life here in the post flood Sanford Lake wasteland, I tried making the rudder position measurement on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium.  Both of my gudgeons were slightly off the transom centerline determined as described below.  The centerline of the top gudgeon was off the transom centerline by ~2 mm to starboard and the bottom gudgeon was off by ~1 mm to starboard.  This is probably close to the limit of precision of the measurement method itself.  I?ll be interested in hearing what you come up with.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 7:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Askew

Peter,

Whew, this is a new one!  The thing about boats is there no such thing as square or plumb.  Everything is all faired curves and angles.  I guess what I would do is determine the midpoint of the transom on a line from gunnel to gunnel.  From this midpoint, draw a line down to the center of the curve at the bottom of the transom.  This curve has ~3? Radius and the center of it should be easy to determine.  Both gudgeons should be located on this transom centerline no matter if this line is exactly vertical or not.  As far as what the acceptable tolerance for being on the centerline is, you would have to ask Stan.  However, I would think it would be very helpful for him to have your measurement.  I can?t wait to hear the result of your measurement.

Good luck!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 29, 2020, at 5:35 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> ?Oops, bottom gudgeon is 1/2 to port relative to the TOP one.  ?Peter
>
>> On May 29, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> For as long as I?ve owned Silverheels, when the boat is at rest the tiller will move firmly to the port side of the cockpit.  For years I?ve intended to investigate this phenomenon, but it?s hard to do when the boat is in the water, and then hard to remember when the boat is ashore.  Today, I finally remembered.
>>
>> I transferred the boat from its trailer onto stands in preparation for working on the bottom.  I then put an 8? 2x4 across the cockpit combings, put a 4? level on top of that, and then leveled the boat port-to-starboard.
>>
>> I then put a level vertically on the transom along side the edge of the two gudgeons and found the the bottom one is about 1/2 an inch closer to the port side of the boat than the bottom one.  That may not sound like a lot, but if you take a step back, it?s quite easy to see that the rudder is not vertical and obviously not perpendicular to the rub-rail.
>>
>> I think I have a pretty good idea of how to go about making the rudder vertical, but before I start, I thought it would be a good idea to check with the list (and Stan, if he?s out there).
>>
>> The rudder should be vertical, right?  The cockeyed rudder is not part of Phil Rhodes design and General Boats intellectual property, is it?
>>
>> Just wanted to be sure.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>
>>
>


From gramille at tds.net  Sat May 30 09:04:12 2020
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 06:04:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Zincs
Message-ID: <1590843852294-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I am about to apply new bottom paint to my R22. Should I be replacing zincs
at reh same time.?
If so, does anyone have a link to where I can find the right size and
fitting?
Cheers
Graham



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From gramille at tds.net  Sat May 30 11:32:26 2020
From: gramille at tds.net (gramille)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 08:32:26 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bimini support attachments to stern rail
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR05MB5774406F4EB4FCCC65888C85BDB40@SN6PR05MB5774.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1590180906301-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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John, I love your simple elegant solution.
 Leaving the bimini in the rear position as in your first photo, does it get
in the way when you are motoring in and out of port?
Any other photos or links to where you found the bimini leg holders would be
appreciated.
Graham



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From oehecht at gmail.com  Sat May 30 11:51:45 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 11:51:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
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Got the board pulled today and the local yard should be able to repair it
this week. Here is a picture in case anyone is curious about the layers of
construction.



On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:00 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Stan. I already have two of those three upgrades and love them but
> have been thinking about a new tiller at some point!
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:02 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Oliver,
>>
>> www.rhodes22parts.com has parts for the Rhodes that are not available
>> from marine suppliers.  In the case of your diamond board however I do
>> think that it would be less costly if you have your current one repaired
>> locally.  Freight alone for a centerboard can be an item.  With all that
>> saving how about a new style outhaul car or a fabulous fiberglass tiller
>> or the new invention traveler system.
>>
>> While you got me to my keyboard, a comment.  Every action has an equal
>> and opposite reaction. Every recycled and new Rhodes has a yoke that
>> prevents the genoa line from leaving its drum so the energy needed to
>> pull out the sail is not altered.  From a 94 year old perspective every
>> ounce is an item.  For you young bucks the extra force needed to pull
>> out the genoa with either Mikes or Rogers ingenious tension techniques
>> would hardly be measurable so a small price to pay.  Besides who sails
>> at 94.
>>
>> And Don, if you are listening, I have no recollection of your inquiring
>> about a rub rail insert replacement. We have those in stock for Boston
>> Whaler owners since their boats came with red and we are the only ones
>> who also have that color.  But the reflective tape idea sound interesting?
>>
>> On 5/24/20 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>> > Hi Stan!  It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed in...if not
>> > than definitely glued down well. I think I?d damage the hull interface
>> just
>> > by removing it. I?m thinking about just enlarging the inner opening
>> with a
>> > keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don?t think the slick
>> surface
>> > on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface either...that
>> > might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond boards, or
>> is
>> > it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
>> >
>> > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Mary Lou,
>> >>
>> >> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report what
>> my
>> >> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
>> >>
>> >> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
>> >> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the cb
>> in
>> >> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
>> >>
>> >> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
>> >> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
>> >> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB DESIGNED
>> >> IT TO BE.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>> >>> Hi Olivier,
>> >>>
>> >>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
>> >>>
>> >>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
>> >>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the raising
>> >>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart
>> >>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan
>> >>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said
>> >>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
>> >>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
>> >>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange
>> >>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
>> >>>
>> >>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the
>> >>> subject from 2003 were:
>> >>>
>> >>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of
>> >>> the trunk and
>> >>> neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage between
>> >>> the fiberglass
>> >>> gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in place and
>> >>> just use a
>> >>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb trunk -
>> >>> it should
>> >>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other hand
>> >>> there was
>> >>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do whatever
>> >>> is necessary
>> >>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the trunk
>> >>> lip to
>> >>> receive the neoprene gasket."
>> >>>
>> >>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided
>> >>> not to mess with it.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sorry this isn't more help.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mary Lou
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>> >>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
>> >>>> through...
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white
>> piece is
>> >>>> glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> The pic didn?t come through?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled
>> >>>>>> the boat
>> >>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to pull
>> >>>>>> it. I
>> >>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind nuts
>> and
>> >>>>> now
>> >>>>>> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white
>> >>>>>> piece
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy
>> >>>>>> it by
>> >>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
>> >>>>>> removable?  I
>> >>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
>> >>>>>> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I
>> have to
>> >>>>> head
>> >>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Richard Beytagh
>> >>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>> >>>>>
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>> >>
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200524/1a8b1c27/attachment.jpg
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>>
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From retro53 at msn.com  Sat May 30 12:08:24 2020
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 16:08:24 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] bimini support attachments to stern rail
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Hi Graham,

Glad that you liked my set-up, it works pretty well in each configuration (up or down). When it's folded up, it is sandwiched between the main sheet and backstays, and doesn't require any rigging to keep it in place. I noticed a bit of wear on the bimini cover where it rests against the backstays, but I can just sew a little reinforcement patch on those areas. I have not had any boat usability issues keeping it there. The main drawback, in my opinion, is that it takes a bit more effort to transition between the two positions, versus having it on cars on a track, in that you have to release the legs from the rear mounts, attach them to the front mounts, detach the mainsheet from the mainsheet traveler, flip it over the bimini and reattach it.

I don't have a close-up of the top in the stowed position, but you may be able to get the general idea from the attached picture.

As for the hardware, I believe that I used four black nylon deck hinges, Sailrite part #100690.

Best Regards,

John



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Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 11:32 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] bimini support attachments to stern rail

John, I love your simple elegant solution.
 Leaving the bimini in the rear position as in your first photo, does it get
in the way when you are motoring in and out of port?
Any other photos or links to where you found the bimini leg holders would be
appreciated.
Graham



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From oehecht at gmail.com  Sat May 30 14:19:50 2020
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 14:19:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Emergency diamondboard help...at boatyard for
 only a little while longer
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I was also not shocked to not find the ?two scraps of garden hose? I?ve
heard so much about. I think they dampen noise and movement near the pivot
of the board, and my board does ?rattle? while sailing whenever it?s not
fully loaded. Does anyone have pictures of how/where those pieces of hose
should go when I reassemble everything?  Thanks again!

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 11:51 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:

> Got the board pulled today and the local yard should be able to repair it
> this week. Here is a picture in case anyone is curious about the layers of
> construction.
>
>
>
> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 12:00 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Stan. I already have two of those three upgrades and love them but
>> have been thinking about a new tiller at some point!
>>
>> On Mon, May 25, 2020 at 11:02 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Oliver,
>>>
>>> www.rhodes22parts.com has parts for the Rhodes that are not available
>>> from marine suppliers.  In the case of your diamond board however I do
>>> think that it would be less costly if you have your current one repaired
>>> locally.  Freight alone for a centerboard can be an item.  With all that
>>> saving how about a new style outhaul car or a fabulous fiberglass tiller
>>> or the new invention traveler system.
>>>
>>> While you got me to my keyboard, a comment.  Every action has an equal
>>> and opposite reaction. Every recycled and new Rhodes has a yoke that
>>> prevents the genoa line from leaving its drum so the energy needed to
>>> pull out the sail is not altered.  From a 94 year old perspective every
>>> ounce is an item.  For you young bucks the extra force needed to pull
>>> out the genoa with either Mikes or Rogers ingenious tension techniques
>>> would hardly be measurable so a small price to pay.  Besides who sails
>>> at 94.
>>>
>>> And Don, if you are listening, I have no recollection of your inquiring
>>> about a rub rail insert replacement. We have those in stock for Boston
>>> Whaler owners since their boats came with red and we are the only ones
>>> who also have that color.  But the reflective tape idea sound
>>> interesting?
>>>
>>> On 5/24/20 8:34 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>>> > Hi Stan!  It almost looked like that extra piece was glassed in...if
>>> not
>>> > than definitely glued down well. I think I?d damage the hull interface
>>> just
>>> > by removing it. I?m thinking about just enlarging the inner opening
>>> with a
>>> > keyhole saw to allow me to pull the board. I don?t think the slick
>>> surface
>>> > on the laminate gives the gasket the best matings surface either...that
>>> > might explain my slightly wet bilge. Do you sell new diamond boards,
>>> or is
>>> > it usually more economical to have them repaired locally?
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 8:17 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Mary Lou,
>>> >>
>>> >> since this is between me and you I am happy to join in to report what
>>> my
>>> >> now occasionally lying eyes are seeing.
>>> >>
>>> >> A prior owner, as is usually the case when someone reports on a
>>> >> ridiculous design fault attributed to GB, sacrificed access to the cb
>>> in
>>> >> the cb trunk in favor of a quick improper fix.
>>> >>
>>> >> The only recourse now for removing the cb is to take off the white
>>> >> whatever it is, throw it away. lift out the cb. Fix what has to be
>>> >> fixed.  AND THEN REASSEMBLE THE ENTIRE CB SYSTEM AS GOD AND GB
>>> DESIGNED
>>> >> IT TO BE.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 5/24/20 7:17 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote:
>>> >>> Hi Olivier,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The laminate is not standard R22 construction.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> At one point we were going to do something to the board, I forget
>>> >>> what, maybe replace the pennant or get rid of the pully in the
>>> raising
>>> >>> system and had ordered a new gasket from Stan. When we got it apart
>>> >>> and discovered the laminate, we abandoned the project. We asked Stan
>>> >>> about it and via email he basically shrugged his shoulders and said
>>> >>> something to the effect that "that wasn't our repair." It wasn't
>>> >>> leaking, we found another way to do what we were going to do and
>>> >>> forgot about it. In fact I didn't realize I still had the exchange
>>> >>> with Stan in an old email program until now.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> After a bit of back and forth on a photo, Stan's exact words on the
>>> >>> subject from 2003 were:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> "So what I am seeing is a fiberglass "washer" between the top lip of
>>> >>> the trunk and
>>> >>> neoprene gasket.  The question then is was there any leakage between
>>> >>> the fiberglass
>>> >>> gasket and the cb trunk lip?  If no then I would leave it in place
>>> and
>>> >>> just use a
>>> >>> jib saw to cut on opening in it to match the opening in the cb trunk
>>> -
>>> >>> it should
>>> >>> cut easily since it is probably not very thick  If on the other hand
>>> >>> there was
>>> >>> leakage between this element and the cb trunk cap I would do whatever
>>> >>> is necessary
>>> >>> to pull it off and throw it away and sand smooth the top of the trunk
>>> >>> lip to
>>> >>> receive the neoprene gasket."
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As I noted above, it wasn't leaking so my recollection is we decided
>>> >>> not to mess with it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sorry this isn't more help.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Mary Lou
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 5/24/2020 6:12 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote:
>>> >>>> My last message with two pics bounced back...hopefully this goes
>>> >>>> through...
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Whoops...sorry. Forgot to attach it!  Here they are. That white
>>> piece is
>>> >>>> glued to the boat...I?m sure of it.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 6:02 PM Richard Beytagh <rbeytagh at gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> The pic didn?t come through?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 5:58 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Well the board fell onto the trailer axle since I guess I pulled
>>> >>>>>> the boat
>>> >>>>>> too far forward. Took a chunk out of it so I decided to try to
>>> pull
>>> >>>>>> it. I
>>> >>>>>> just got the cap off after removing ~60 10mm bolts with blind
>>> nuts and
>>> >>>>> now
>>> >>>>>> I can?t access the pivot to remove the board. See pics...the white
>>> >>>>>> piece
>>> >>>>> of
>>> >>>>>> laminate? seems to be glasses into the hull. I?m afraid to destroy
>>> >>>>>> it by
>>> >>>>>> prying. Can anyone confirm to me that this piece should be
>>> >>>>>> removable?  I
>>> >>>>>> cants see any other way to lift the board out since the pivot is
>>> >>>>>> inaccessible. I?ll be at the boat for an hour more max, then I
>>> have to
>>> >>>>> head
>>> >>>>>> home. Was really hoping to take the board with me!
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Richard Beytagh
>>> >>>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>> >>>>>
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>>> >>>> Name: IMG_3661.jpg
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>>> >>>> Desc: not available
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>>> >>>> <
>>> >>
>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200524/1a8b1c27/attachment.jpg
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat May 30 16:40:51 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 13:40:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
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Hi Alex, thanks for the insight regarding Kansas lakes.  It's funny that you
mentioned the lee shore.  At our club we were discussing how every side is a
lee shore on our lake since there's not much room in any direction. 
Regarding the Great Lakes, my wife and I and one other person from our
sailing club (who has a lot more sailing experience than us) are doing a 4
day charter on a 33' Jeanneau in the Apostle Islands on Lake Superior the
week of June 8.  It's a trip we can do with minimal social contact since
we're driving straight through to Bayfield, Wisconsin where we'll get on the
boat.  We're bringing all our food with us.  Once we're there, it's just
sailing and hiking on the islands.  We're really excited for the trip!



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat May 30 16:56:33 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 13:56:33 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org website
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Hi Chris, thanks for the tips on Kansas lakes.  I'll definitely let you know
if whenever I head that direction since it would be fun to go sailing
together.  Since I don't have a tow vehicle, my road trip plans coordinating
with one my friends with a truck that wants to go as well.  I suppose I
could rent a truck but that's a last resort.  Eventually I may get a tow
vehicle but I'm not in a hurry for that.

The first road trip with my boat will be to Lake Rathbun in Iowa, which is
just a few hours away.  Several boats from my club will be traveling
together (our little trailer sailor caravan) in early July for that trip.

Regarding South Dakota, I had a trip planned with a couple of friends to
Lake Francis Case, which is one dam downstream of Oahe on the Missouri.  My
friend's family has a cabin on the lake.  That trip got postponed due to
COVID-19, but we may go around Labor Day this year or sometime next year
instead.  I'll report back whenever we go.  I'd be up for taking my boat on
a trip down Oahe if you ever wanted to meet up for that.  It would be a fun
adventure!



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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat May 30 17:06:31 2020
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 17:06:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Askew
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 <6E505850-35D8-49E4-ADDB-B7A1801DFA73@sunnybeeches.com>
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Roger,

I?m guessing the Dynamic Equilibrium does not have a General Boats outboard motor lift on her transom.  This is a pretty large structure that runs from just above the waterline to the top of the aft cockpit combing, and makes any horizontal measurement across the transom somewhere between difficult and impossible.  

I was able to find the center point at the bottom of the transom that you describe.  I found that by keeping the bottom of the boat in view and sighting down the ?V? to the keel, the low point of the transom was pretty easy to identify with reasonable accuracy (but probably not within a millimeter).

Since I can?t identify a usable upper center point, I think I?ll have to settle for using a vertical line from the lower center point as my transom centerline.  Given that I?ve leveled the boat port-to-starboard across the cockpit combings, I think a vertical line is as close to ?right? as any straight line on a boat can be.

Based on this, I find that my upper gudgeon is 3/16? to starboard and my lower gudgeon is 1/4? to port. 

I haven?t had time to give this a lot of thought, but I?m thinking of calling the upper gudgeon ?close enough?, and shifting the lower gudgeon 7/16? to starboard.

?Peter  

> On May 29, 2020, at 7:57 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter,
> 
> Whew, this is new one!  The thing about boats is there no such thing as square or plumb.  Everything is all faired curves and angles.  I guess what I would do is determine the midpoint of the transom on a line from gunnel to gunnel.  From this midpoint, draw a line down to the center of the curve at the bottom of the transom.  This curve has ~3? Radius and the center of it should be easy to determine.  Both gudgeons should be located on this transom centerline no matter if this line is exactly vertical or not.  As far as what the acceptable tolerance for being on the centerline is, you would have to ask Stan.  However, I would think it would be very helpful for him to have your measurement.  I can?t wait to hear the result of your measurement.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja 
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat May 30 17:20:57 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 14:20:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
Message-ID: <1590873657572-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Fortunately, I have a slip this year so it is a lot easier to get on the
water.  I've found that maneuvering into a slip requires more precision than
coming up to the T-dock which was I was used to last year.  On the T-dock
you could often find a place to come up into the wind.  As I mentioned in a
prior post, my wife is also learning how to skipper as well.  Reaching back
down to shift between forward / neutral / reverse required turning a round
to locate and reach the gear shift lever on the outboard.  Some brief
searching on "da list" showed that others have found this a challenge. 
Adding cockpit controls for the outboard is not cheap, so my work around was
to add an extension to the shift lever.  I used a 1/2" x 1" piece cut to
length.  I can't recall the exact length but if any one else wants to do
this they should probably measure on their boat anyway based on their
outboard to make sure the lever stays under stern rail when raising the
motor.  I attached it with a couple of stainless steel hose clamps.  I
painted the lever and added some white electric tape as a handle.  A simple,
cheap (and less than elegant) but functional solution.  

I wouldn't be surprised if others have already done this, but I'm just
sharing in case others might find this helpful.  Now I don't have to turn
around and bend down to operate the shifter lever. 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE02.jpg> 



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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat May 30 17:33:19 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 21:33:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Askew
In-Reply-To: <5EE1A03D-FBB6-4881-AB9F-90AF9237018B@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <15B0E70D-1E68-4DA4-8057-672B44F5B5AE@yahoo.com>
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 <CH2PR02MB6920EB7D33556734502A075C808F0@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
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Peter,

The attached picture shows the GBI motor mount on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s stern.  I installed this motor mount myself, so maybe Stan hangs it on the transom differently than I did.  You?re right, the GBI motor mount is a very tall, bulky structure.  But, with my wife holding one end of the tape, I was able to snake a tape measure across the transom behind the motor mount to determine the center point.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Askew

Roger,

I?m guessing the Dynamic Equilibrium does not have a General Boats outboard motor lift on her transom.  This is a pretty large structure that runs from just above the waterline to the top of the aft cockpit combing, and makes any horizontal measurement across the transom somewhere between difficult and impossible.

I was able to find the center point at the bottom of the transom that you describe.  I found that by keeping the bottom of the boat in view and sighting down the ?V? to the keel, the low point of the transom was pretty easy to identify with reasonable accuracy (but probably not within a millimeter).

Since I can?t identify a usable upper center point, I think I?ll have to settle for using a vertical line from the lower center point as my transom centerline.  Given that I?ve leveled the boat port-to-starboard across the cockpit combings, I think a vertical line is as close to ?right? as any straight line on a boat can be.

Based on this, I find that my upper gudgeon is 3/16? to starboard and my lower gudgeon is 1/4? to port.

I haven?t had time to give this a lot of thought, but I?m thinking of calling the upper gudgeon ?close enough?, and shifting the lower gudgeon 7/16? to starboard.

?Peter

> On May 29, 2020, at 7:57 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> Whew, this is new one!  The thing about boats is there no such thing as square or plumb.  Everything is all faired curves and angles.  I guess what I would do is determine the midpoint of the transom on a line from gunnel to gunnel.  From this midpoint, draw a line down to the center of the curve at the bottom of the transom.  This curve has ~3? Radius and the center of it should be easy to determine.  Both gudgeons should be located on this transom centerline no matter if this line is exactly vertical or not.  As far as what the acceptable tolerance for being on the centerline is, you would have to ask Stan.  However, I would think it would be very helpful for him to have your measurement.  I can?t wait to hear the result of your measurement.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone

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From lastmango68 at gmail.com  Sat May 30 17:44:00 2020
From: lastmango68 at gmail.com (Lance Horne)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 17:44:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Please remove me from your forum list. Smooth
	sailing. Last mango
Message-ID: <51943EF6-8FEB-4B25-82B7-458A2B9666AE@gmail.com>



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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sat May 30 20:46:44 2020
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 20:46:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
In-Reply-To: <1590873657572-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1590873657572-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBB-2N7Ub=FGF0SCRcsTLpyZNq0tDjHTSA7uyPcJ5oprhA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow.
I?ve been trying to figure out a solution for this for two years. I was
going to end up with something way more complicated like I usually do. I?ll
get mine done in the next few days. Thanks very much for the idea,
explanation and great pictures.
Bob Garrant
S/v Sail la Vie 2000
Kent Island, MD

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 5:21 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fortunately, I have a slip this year so it is a lot easier to get on the
> water.  I've found that maneuvering into a slip requires more precision
> than
> coming up to the T-dock which was I was used to last year.  On the T-dock
> you could often find a place to come up into the wind.  As I mentioned in a
> prior post, my wife is also learning how to skipper as well.  Reaching back
> down to shift between forward / neutral / reverse required turning a round
> to locate and reach the gear shift lever on the outboard.  Some brief
> searching on "da list" showed that others have found this a challenge.
> Adding cockpit controls for the outboard is not cheap, so my work around
> was
> to add an extension to the shift lever.  I used a 1/2" x 1" piece cut to
> length.  I can't recall the exact length but if any one else wants to do
> this they should probably measure on their boat anyway based on their
> outboard to make sure the lever stays under stern rail when raising the
> motor.  I attached it with a couple of stainless steel hose clamps.  I
> painted the lever and added some white electric tape as a handle.  A
> simple,
> cheap (and less than elegant) but functional solution.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if others have already done this, but I'm just
> sharing in case others might find this helpful.  Now I don't have to turn
> around and bend down to operate the shifter lever.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE02.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
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>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat May 30 22:17:35 2020
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 22:17:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
In-Reply-To: <1590873657572-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1590873657572-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <017a01d636f1$a793ae20$f6bb0a60$@ca>

I expect that different motors might require different shifter extension
styles. I made one using PVC plastic conduit. The inside diameter of the
conduit fit perfectly over the shifter on the motor. I put a piece about 8"
over the shifter and then attached it to a 24" piece with a hinge I made
using dowel driven into the two parts and then joined with a half lap join
with a bolt through the center. 

This arrangement has one feature that is both a pro and a con depending on
your viewpoint. Because the shifter simply drops over the motors shift lever
it does not need to be attached. This makes it easy to remove by simply
lifting it up. The fact that it sits over the lever means that it can rotate
and that becomes important in my case as otherwise when I make a sharp turn
the shifter will hit the stern rail thereby restricting maneuverability.
Being able to remove the unit is handy when I raise the motor and in other
situations where the extension can get in your way. Because it is a tube it
floats if you cap the handle end. The con is that it can come off by
shifting forward too vigorously. That happened only once and now I know to
be less enthusiastic about shifting. 

I love being able to bring my boat into dock without the indignity of having
to hang over the stern rail and peer between my legs to see where I am
going. I am just too old for that.

It works perfectly for my purposes and cost nothing.

I don't have a picture on hand but would be happy to take one if anyone
would like to see it.


Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:21 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension

Fortunately, I have a slip this year so it is a lot easier to get on the
water.  I've found that maneuvering into a slip requires more precision than
coming up to the T-dock which was I was used to last year.  On the T-dock
you could often find a place to come up into the wind.  As I mentioned in a
prior post, my wife is also learning how to skipper as well.  Reaching back
down to shift between forward / neutral / reverse required turning a round
to locate and reach the gear shift lever on the outboard.  Some brief
searching on "da list" showed that others have found this a challenge. 
Adding cockpit controls for the outboard is not cheap, so my work around was
to add an extension to the shift lever.  I used a 1/2" x 1" piece cut to
length.  I can't recall the exact length but if any one else wants to do
this they should probably measure on their boat anyway based on their
outboard to make sure the lever stays under stern rail when raising the
motor.  I attached it with a couple of stainless steel hose clamps.  I
painted the lever and added some white electric tape as a handle.  A simple,
cheap (and less than elegant) but functional solution.  

I wouldn't be surprised if others have already done this, but I'm just
sharing in case others might find this helpful.  Now I don't have to turn
around and bend down to operate the shifter lever. 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg> 
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE02.jpg> 



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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sat May 30 22:39:33 2020
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 22:39:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
In-Reply-To: <017a01d636f1$a793ae20$f6bb0a60$@ca>
References: <1590873657572-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <017a01d636f1$a793ae20$f6bb0a60$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBArfj-+xRS1Q+RUhvuA_hrA1-0v6FWPv6uyPmJNFwxrZg@mail.gmail.com>

I would definitely like to see a picture please. I?m planning to extend my
shifter so I would like to have different options to consider.
Thanks
Bob Garrant
 S/v Sail la Vie 2000
Kent Island, MD

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:17 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> I expect that different motors might require different shifter extension
> styles. I made one using PVC plastic conduit. The inside diameter of the
> conduit fit perfectly over the shifter on the motor. I put a piece about 8"
> over the shifter and then attached it to a 24" piece with a hinge I made
> using dowel driven into the two parts and then joined with a half lap join
> with a bolt through the center.
>
> This arrangement has one feature that is both a pro and a con depending on
> your viewpoint. Because the shifter simply drops over the motors shift
> lever
> it does not need to be attached. This makes it easy to remove by simply
> lifting it up. The fact that it sits over the lever means that it can
> rotate
> and that becomes important in my case as otherwise when I make a sharp turn
> the shifter will hit the stern rail thereby restricting maneuverability.
> Being able to remove the unit is handy when I raise the motor and in other
> situations where the extension can get in your way. Because it is a tube it
> floats if you cap the handle end. The con is that it can come off by
> shifting forward too vigorously. That happened only once and now I know to
> be less enthusiastic about shifting.
>
> I love being able to bring my boat into dock without the indignity of
> having
> to hang over the stern rail and peer between my legs to see where I am
> going. I am just too old for that.
>
> It works perfectly for my purposes and cost nothing.
>
> I don't have a picture on hand but would be happy to take one if anyone
> would like to see it.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Jesse Shumaker
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:21 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
>
> Fortunately, I have a slip this year so it is a lot easier to get on the
> water.  I've found that maneuvering into a slip requires more precision
> than
> coming up to the T-dock which was I was used to last year.  On the T-dock
> you could often find a place to come up into the wind.  As I mentioned in a
> prior post, my wife is also learning how to skipper as well.  Reaching back
> down to shift between forward / neutral / reverse required turning a round
> to locate and reach the gear shift lever on the outboard.  Some brief
> searching on "da list" showed that others have found this a challenge.
> Adding cockpit controls for the outboard is not cheap, so my work around
> was
> to add an extension to the shift lever.  I used a 1/2" x 1" piece cut to
> length.  I can't recall the exact length but if any one else wants to do
> this they should probably measure on their boat anyway based on their
> outboard to make sure the lever stays under stern rail when raising the
> motor.  I attached it with a couple of stainless steel hose clamps.  I
> painted the lever and added some white electric tape as a handle.  A
> simple,
> cheap (and less than elegant) but functional solution.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if others have already done this, but I'm just
> sharing in case others might find this helpful.  Now I don't have to turn
> around and bend down to operate the shifter lever.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE02.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun May 31 08:18:35 2020
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 05:18:35 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBArfj-+xRS1Q+RUhvuA_hrA1-0v6FWPv6uyPmJNFwxrZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1590873657572-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <017a01d636f1$a793ae20$f6bb0a60$@ca>
 <CAPi3tBArfj-+xRS1Q+RUhvuA_hrA1-0v6FWPv6uyPmJNFwxrZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1590927515545-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Ditto on all the problems with the shifter on my Yamaha T8. Putting the boat
on a trailer is a problem for my wife with the shifter and so have asked for
a quote to install a 703 remote control. The unit itself is about $300.
Anyone have an idea of roughly how many miles per gallon (or gallons per
hour) I can expect? 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun May 31 08:20:20 2020
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 05:20:20 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBArfj-+xRS1Q+RUhvuA_hrA1-0v6FWPv6uyPmJNFwxrZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1590873657572-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <017a01d636f1$a793ae20$f6bb0a60$@ca>
 <CAPi3tBArfj-+xRS1Q+RUhvuA_hrA1-0v6FWPv6uyPmJNFwxrZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1590927620867-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Ditto on all the problems with the shifter on my Yamaha T8. Putting the boat
on a trailer is a problem for my wife with the shifter and so have asked for
a quote to install a 703 remote control. The unit itself is about $300.
Anyone have an idea of roughly how many miles per gallon (or gallons per
hour) I can expect? 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sun May 31 09:57:02 2020
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 09:57:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBArfj-+xRS1Q+RUhvuA_hrA1-0v6FWPv6uyPmJNFwxrZg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1590873657572-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <017a01d636f1$a793ae20$f6bb0a60$@ca>
 <CAPi3tBArfj-+xRS1Q+RUhvuA_hrA1-0v6FWPv6uyPmJNFwxrZg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <018101d63753$5f572c10$1e058430$@ca>

Bob:

Here are some photos of the shift extension and throttle extensions that I use. Please excuse the mess as my motor is still in the garage. The throttle extension is a purchased item. With these items in place I can sit or stand facing forward while being able to steer, control speed and shift gears. Another piece of dowel in the handle end makes the tube air tight so that it floats - just in case you absentmindedly throw the damned thing overboard - as I have done twice now.

The tube is 3/4" inside diameter schedule 40 PVC plastic conduit. I made the hinge first out of an old broom stick that was 7/8" diameter and then pushed the hinge into the tubes after heating the tube with a heat gun. It makes a very tight fit but still needs a brad nail to secure the tube to the dowel. 

I painted the hinge grey so that it would look less like a chunk of broomstick stuck into the end of a plastic tube.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Bob Garrant
Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 10:40 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension

I would definitely like to see a picture please. I?m planning to extend my
shifter so I would like to have different options to consider.
Thanks
Bob Garrant
 S/v Sail la Vie 2000
Kent Island, MD

On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 10:17 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> I expect that different motors might require different shifter extension
> styles. I made one using PVC plastic conduit. The inside diameter of the
> conduit fit perfectly over the shifter on the motor. I put a piece about 8"
> over the shifter and then attached it to a 24" piece with a hinge I made
> using dowel driven into the two parts and then joined with a half lap join
> with a bolt through the center.
>
> This arrangement has one feature that is both a pro and a con depending on
> your viewpoint. Because the shifter simply drops over the motors shift
> lever
> it does not need to be attached. This makes it easy to remove by simply
> lifting it up. The fact that it sits over the lever means that it can
> rotate
> and that becomes important in my case as otherwise when I make a sharp turn
> the shifter will hit the stern rail thereby restricting maneuverability.
> Being able to remove the unit is handy when I raise the motor and in other
> situations where the extension can get in your way. Because it is a tube it
> floats if you cap the handle end. The con is that it can come off by
> shifting forward too vigorously. That happened only once and now I know to
> be less enthusiastic about shifting.
>
> I love being able to bring my boat into dock without the indignity of
> having
> to hang over the stern rail and peer between my legs to see where I am
> going. I am just too old for that.
>
> It works perfectly for my purposes and cost nothing.
>
> I don't have a picture on hand but would be happy to take one if anyone
> would like to see it.
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Jesse Shumaker
> Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2020 5:21 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
>
> Fortunately, I have a slip this year so it is a lot easier to get on the
> water.  I've found that maneuvering into a slip requires more precision
> than
> coming up to the T-dock which was I was used to last year.  On the T-dock
> you could often find a place to come up into the wind.  As I mentioned in a
> prior post, my wife is also learning how to skipper as well.  Reaching back
> down to shift between forward / neutral / reverse required turning a round
> to locate and reach the gear shift lever on the outboard.  Some brief
> searching on "da list" showed that others have found this a challenge.
> Adding cockpit controls for the outboard is not cheap, so my work around
> was
> to add an extension to the shift lever.  I used a 1/2" x 1" piece cut to
> length.  I can't recall the exact length but if any one else wants to do
> this they should probably measure on their boat anyway based on their
> outboard to make sure the lever stays under stern rail when raising the
> motor.  I attached it with a couple of stainless steel hose clamps.  I
> painted the lever and added some white electric tape as a handle.  A
> simple,
> cheap (and less than elegant) but functional solution.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if others have already done this, but I'm just
> sharing in case others might find this helpful.  Now I don't have to turn
> around and bend down to operate the shifter lever.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE02.jpg>
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun May 31 11:13:52 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 08:13:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
In-Reply-To: <018101d63753$5f572c10$1e058430$@ca>
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Nice work Graham!  I was hoping others would chime in with their solutions. 
My current setup makes the controls accessible enough, but not as easily
accessible as your setup.  My lever extension races almost to the height of
the outboard tiller in the vertical position.  I suppose that I could add
both an outboard tiller extension and an additional removable shifter lever
extension to my setup, but I'm going to stick with the current configuration
for now.  Importantly, it got positive reviews from my wife when she used it
for getting in and out of the slip.

Bob, it would be great if you could share photos of your setup as that comes
together.



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From rweiss at siu.edu  Sun May 31 11:27:44 2020
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 15:27:44 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
In-Reply-To: <1590938032475-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Not that it helps with this solution, but this is why I bought a Mercury 8hp outboard which has the shift built into the tiller handle. Glad you have found a workable solution. I, too, have issues with getting into the slip when the winds aren't favorable within the marina. But I still need more practice with keeping up greater speed to control steering and putting the motor in reverse. I just don't like approaching the dock too fast!

Bob

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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Nice work Graham!  I was hoping others would chime in with their solutions.
My current setup makes the controls accessible enough, but not as easily
accessible as your setup.  My lever extension races almost to the height of
the outboard tiller in the vertical position.  I suppose that I could add
both an outboard tiller extension and an additional removable shifter lever
extension to my setup, but I'm going to stick with the current configuration
for now.  Importantly, it got positive reviews from my wife when she used it
for getting in and out of the slip.

Bob, it would be great if you could share photos of your setup as that comes
together.



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From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Sun May 31 13:43:31 2020
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 10:43:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
In-Reply-To: <1590938032475-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Jesse:

Below is another option that puts all of the outboard motor controls,
including a pneumatic lift, navigation, gps, radio and windless in one
place.


<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t8/pedestal.jpg> 






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703.717.9041 phone | 202.270.1470 mobile
10275 Demarr Rd
White Plains, MD 20695
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun May 31 14:22:15 2020
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (Roger Pihlaja Home)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 14:22:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Island Trip
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920E4DC39D7F1552ABCE309808D0@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Jessie,

My two sons and I did the Apostle Islands in sea kayaks several years ago as a family High Adventure Trip.  Hopefully, your mother ship will have a dingy or inflatable or something that will let you explore the sea caves.  The best are on Sand Island and on Squaw Bay just south of the Sand Pt visitor center on the mainland.  The Squaw Bay sea caves are especially spectacular!  Both of these sea cave sites are best seen from a small boat.  You need a dead calm sea state to explore the caves.  A sea kayak is best because many of the cave entrances are narrow.  If you go, bring along a headlight.    A rock climbing helmet is also not a bad idea because the occasional powerboat wake can enter the caves and bounce you off the ceiling even on a dead calm day!  There are interesting lighthouses and associated out buildings to tour on Sand Island and Raspberry Island.  The outer islands in the archipelago are pretty exposed to Lake Superior and you need to be careful where you anchor if you are staying overnight.  The whole area is a world class cruising ground and spectacularly beautiful!  Once you leave Bayfield, WI and Madeline Island behind, you need to be pretty self sufficient.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 30, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Chris, thanks for the tips on Kansas lakes.  I'll definitely let you know
> if whenever I head that direction since it would be fun to go sailing
> together.  Since I don't have a tow vehicle, my road trip plans coordinating
> with one my friends with a truck that wants to go as well.  I suppose I
> could rent a truck but that's a last resort.  Eventually I may get a tow
> vehicle but I'm not in a hurry for that.
> 
> The first road trip with my boat will be to Lake Rathbun in Iowa, which is
> just a few hours away.  Several boats from my club will be traveling
> together (our little trailer sailor caravan) in early July for that trip.
> 
> Regarding South Dakota, I had a trip planned with a couple of friends to
> Lake Francis Case, which is one dam downstream of Oahe on the Missouri.  My
> friend's family has a cabin on the lake.  That trip got postponed due to
> COVID-19, but we may go around Labor Day this year or sometime next year
> instead.  I'll report back whenever we go.  I'd be up for taking my boat on
> a trip down Oahe if you ever wanted to meet up for that.  It would be a fun
> adventure!
> 
> 
> 
> --
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun May 31 17:41:04 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:41:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] outboard shifter lever extension
In-Reply-To: <1590947011040-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1590873657572-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Wow Chris, that is quite the setup!

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 12:43 PM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
wrote:

> Jesse:
>
> Below is another option that puts all of the outboard motor controls,
> including a pneumatic lift, navigation, gps, radio and windless in one
> place.
>
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t8/pedestal.jpg>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Chris Cowie
> Voilier Yachts
> Sales & Service Representative
> www.voilieryachts.com
>
> 703.717.9041 phone | 202.270.1470 mobile
> 10275 Demarr Rd
> White Plains, MD 20695
> [ccowie at voilieryachts.com]
>
>
>
>
> --
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>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun May 31 17:50:54 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:50:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Island Trip
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Roger, thanks for the tips!  It is good to know which islands may be best
to visit in this 4 day trip.  We plan to do some hiking while we are
there.

I'm currently reading a book about the Apostle Islands that is told from a
kayakers perspective.  Doing this on a kayak must be an adventure indeed!
My kayaking has been limited to inland lakes and gentle rivers.

We will have a dinghy with an outboard so that should make the islands and
hopefully some of the caves accessible for exploring.

One day I may make it back up there with my Rhodes.

Jesse
S/V Zephyr

On Sun, May 31, 2020, 1:22 PM Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Jessie,
>
> My two sons and I did the Apostle Islands in sea kayaks several years ago
> as a family High Adventure Trip.  Hopefully, your mother ship will have a
> dingy or inflatable or something that will let you explore the sea caves.
> The best are on Sand Island and on Squaw Bay just south of the Sand Pt
> visitor center on the mainland.  The Squaw Bay sea caves are especially
> spectacular!  Both of these sea cave sites are best seen from a small
> boat.  You need a dead calm sea state to explore the caves.  A sea kayak is
> best because many of the cave entrances are narrow.  If you go, bring along
> a headlight.    A rock climbing helmet is also not a bad idea because the
> occasional powerboat wake can enter the caves and bounce you off the
> ceiling even on a dead calm day!  There are interesting lighthouses and
> associated out buildings to tour on Sand Island and Raspberry Island.  The
> outer islands in the archipelago are pretty exposed to Lake Superior and
> you need to be careful where you anchor if you are staying overnight.  The
> whole area is a world class cruising ground and spectacularly beautiful!
> Once you leave Bayfield, WI and Madeline Island behind, you need to be
> pretty self sufficient.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On May 30, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Chris, thanks for the tips on Kansas lakes.  I'll definitely let you
> know
> > if whenever I head that direction since it would be fun to go sailing
> > together.  Since I don't have a tow vehicle, my road trip plans
> coordinating
> > with one my friends with a truck that wants to go as well.  I suppose I
> > could rent a truck but that's a last resort.  Eventually I may get a tow
> > vehicle but I'm not in a hurry for that.
> >
> > The first road trip with my boat will be to Lake Rathbun in Iowa, which
> is
> > just a few hours away.  Several boats from my club will be traveling
> > together (our little trailer sailor caravan) in early July for that trip.
> >
> > Regarding South Dakota, I had a trip planned with a couple of friends to
> > Lake Francis Case, which is one dam downstream of Oahe on the Missouri.
> My
> > friend's family has a cabin on the lake.  That trip got postponed due to
> > COVID-19, but we may go around Labor Day this year or sometime next year
> > instead.  I'll report back whenever we go.  I'd be up for taking my boat
> on
> > a trip down Oahe if you ever wanted to meet up for that.  It would be a
> fun
> > adventure!
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Sun May 31 19:37:44 2020
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (Roger Pihlaja Home)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 19:37:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Island Trip
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Jessie,

The best hiking trails are on Stockton Island, although Sand Island also has some nice  trails.  There are trails on the cliffs above the sea caves at Squaw Bay and Sand Island.  But, you can?t see much of the cave systems from the cliffs.  You won?t be able to use your outboard once you get into the sea caves, too many barely submerged rocks and ledges.  Many sea caves will probably be too narrow for you to use your oars either.  Consider taking canoe paddles.  Choose canoe paddles a couple of inches longer vs. your usual size for canoeing because your dingy sits higher in the water vs. a canoe.  The crystal clear water will take some getting used to.  Rocks that look like you are about to hit them will actually be 10 ft underwater!

On this trip, I was using a new high tech water purifying device called a Steripen.  This handheld, battery powered, device emits a timed burst of UV radiation that kills all pathogens in a 1 liter water bottle in less than a minute.  Since the UV source is dangerous to look at directly, the Steripen has a built-in safety feature that won?t allow the light to come on unless a conductivity sensor detects that the source is immersed.  The 1st time I tried to purify some Lake Superior water, it wouldn?t turn on.  But, when I immersed the Steripen in a water bottle full of water from home, it worked fine.  It turned out, the Lake Superior water was so pure; that, the conductivity was too low to satisfy the conductivity sensor.  For the rest of the trip, I solved the problem by adding a few crystals of table salt to each water bottle prior to sterilization.  Imagine, billions of gallons of water pure to essentially deionized water standard.  Lake Superior is a remarkable resource, unique in the world!

Have fun!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPad

> On May 31, 2020, at 5:51 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Roger, thanks for the tips!  It is good to know which islands may be best
> to visit in this 4 day trip.  We plan to do some hiking while we are
> there.
> 
> I'm currently reading a book about the Apostle Islands that is told from a
> kayakers perspective.  Doing this on a kayak must be an adventure indeed!
> My kayaking has been limited to inland lakes and gentle rivers.
> 
> We will have a dinghy with an outboard so that should make the islands and
> hopefully some of the caves accessible for exploring.
> 
> One day I may make it back up there with my Rhodes.
> 
> Jesse
> S/V Zephyr
> 
> On Sun, May 31, 2020, 1:22 PM Roger Pihlaja Home <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Jessie,
>> 
>> My two sons and I did the Apostle Islands in sea kayaks several years ago
>> as a family High Adventure Trip.  Hopefully, your mother ship will have a
>> dingy or inflatable or something that will let you explore the sea caves.
>> The best are on Sand Island and on Squaw Bay just south of the Sand Pt
>> visitor center on the mainland.  The Squaw Bay sea caves are especially
>> spectacular!  Both of these sea cave sites are best seen from a small
>> boat.  You need a dead calm sea state to explore the caves.  A sea kayak is
>> best because many of the cave entrances are narrow.  If you go, bring along
>> a headlight.    A rock climbing helmet is also not a bad idea because the
>> occasional powerboat wake can enter the caves and bounce you off the
>> ceiling even on a dead calm day!  There are interesting lighthouses and
>> associated out buildings to tour on Sand Island and Raspberry Island.  The
>> outer islands in the archipelago are pretty exposed to Lake Superior and
>> you need to be careful where you anchor if you are staying overnight.  The
>> whole area is a world class cruising ground and spectacularly beautiful!
>> Once you leave Bayfield, WI and Madeline Island behind, you need to be
>> pretty self sufficient.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On May 30, 2020, at 4:56 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Chris, thanks for the tips on Kansas lakes.  I'll definitely let you
>> know
>>> if whenever I head that direction since it would be fun to go sailing
>>> together.  Since I don't have a tow vehicle, my road trip plans
>> coordinating
>>> with one my friends with a truck that wants to go as well.  I suppose I
>>> could rent a truck but that's a last resort.  Eventually I may get a tow
>>> vehicle but I'm not in a hurry for that.
>>> 
>>> The first road trip with my boat will be to Lake Rathbun in Iowa, which
>> is
>>> just a few hours away.  Several boats from my club will be traveling
>>> together (our little trailer sailor caravan) in early July for that trip.
>>> 
>>> Regarding South Dakota, I had a trip planned with a couple of friends to
>>> Lake Francis Case, which is one dam downstream of Oahe on the Missouri.
>> My
>>> friend's family has a cabin on the lake.  That trip got postponed due to
>>> COVID-19, but we may go around Labor Day this year or sometime next year
>>> instead.  I'll report back whenever we go.  I'd be up for taking my boat
>> on
>>> a trip down Oahe if you ever wanted to meet up for that.  It would be a
>> fun
>>> adventure!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun May 31 20:06:54 2020
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 17:06:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Island Trip
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Thanks Roger, you're a great tour guide for Apostle Islands adventures!  I'll
report back with an update after the trip.  

Jesse
S/V Zephyr



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