From Tejas.Hill at outlook.com Sun Nov 1 22:45:48 2020 From: Tejas.Hill at outlook.com (Tex Hill) Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2020 21:45:48 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We have an 8 hp , long shaft Mercury that has done well in strong winds, tides, etc. I think an 8 hp motor (whatever the make) is the smallest motor if you want to sail in ocean, Gulf of Mexico or large lakes. That has been our experience. Tex Hill Sent from my iPad > On Oct 30, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Charles Nieman wrote: > > ?I bought the Torqeedo 3hp for my Rhodes 22 this past spring. I sail a small lake in DFW. It works great to get me in & out of the marina. I?ve never tested it against a strong headwind and do believe it would not be a good match. If I was on the coast or a lake of serious size I would not suggest this. But for my needs it is perfect. Quiet, dependable, doesn?t need a tuneup, very maneuverable. I?m happier than I?ve ever been regarding my ?iron genny? > > Sent from my iPhone > > Charles Nieman > > >> On Oct 30, 2020, at 12:31 PM, Rick Lange wrote: >> >> ?Hi Lee, >> >> Welcome back. I wouldn't depend on 3hp. >> >> Regards, >> >> Rick Lange >> >> >>>> On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 12:44 PM Lee wrote: >>> >>> Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but >>> then >>> discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the outboard to >>> get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even move a >>> 3,500 >>> keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. >>> >>> Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. >>> >>> Lee >>> Boatless for Now >>> Claytor Lake, VA >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >>> From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 12:05:34 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 10:05:34 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> According to . "Do not anchor from the stern!! Anchoring by the stern has caused many boats ? small boats especially ? to capsize and sink . The reason is that the transom is usually squared off and has less freeboard than the bow. In addition, the stern may be carrying the added weight of a motor, fuel tank, or gear brought on board . In a strong current, the force of the water can pull the stern under. Anchoring at the stern also makes the boat vulnerable to swamping by wave action." Deploying the anchor from the cockpit and and leading the rhode forward to the bow is not "anchoring from the stern" in MHO. A USCG member who cites a boater for this is probably either a martinet or trying to make his ticket quota. While onboard I have often turned my various boats around on my mooring or anchors to get more breeze in the cockpit and cabin - or to add shade to the cockpit. Never had a problem or a ticket. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 12:12:16 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 10:12:16 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Up Winter Cover for Sale Message-ID: <1604337136155-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Radiant came with a 3 part mast up winter cover which I am selling for $700.00. It is in very good shape with just a little soiling near the mast. It is fitted for a stern pulpit that accommodates the captain's chairs and I would think that it would also fit non-chair stern pulpits, but am not positive. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Nov 2 14:58:12 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 19:58:12 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> , <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi All, My copy of Chapman, ?Piloting and Seamanship, 67th edition?, ISBN 978-1-58816-961-7, Hearst Books, New York, (2013), p341 gives several examples of scenarios wherein anchoring with a stern anchor is appropriate. Chapman is sort of the bible of all things nautical. All of the stern anchoring scenarios have a common need to reduce or limit the amount of swinging at anchor. Examples include anchoring in a narrow river, anchoring under the shelter of a windward bank, anchoring near a busy channel (especially if there is large commercial ship traffic), and anchoring nearby some other boat that is also using a bow and stern anchor. Another example is the use of a stern anchor to help keep the boat from being pinned against a dock by wind or current. While the comments about the nonstreamlined stern shape, wave action, possibility of down by the stern fore/aft trim are all things which the boater should consider, the fact remains there are many routine situations wherein the use of a stern anchor is an essential tool which all boaters should have in their bag of tricks. I have used a stern anchor many times over the years. Here on the Great Lakes, we must have more reasonable US Coast Guard officers. Neither I or any of my boating friends have ever reported getting stopped, much less cited, for the sort of scenarios described below. Roger Pihlaja S/V dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: JeffSmith Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 12:05 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit According to . "Do not anchor from the stern!! Anchoring by the stern has caused many boats ? small boats especially ? to capsize and sink . The reason is that the transom is usually squared off and has less freeboard than the bow. In addition, the stern may be carrying the added weight of a motor, fuel tank, or gear brought on board . In a strong current, the force of the water can pull the stern under. Anchoring at the stern also makes the boat vulnerable to swamping by wave action." Deploying the anchor from the cockpit and and leading the rhode forward to the bow is not "anchoring from the stern" in MHO. A USCG member who cites a boater for this is probably either a martinet or trying to make his ticket quota. While onboard I have often turned my various boats around on my mooring or anchors to get more breeze in the cockpit and cabin - or to add shade to the cockpit. Never had a problem or a ticket. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Nov 2 15:13:34 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 14:13:34 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have two copies of the chapman. Most recent is 67th ed. On Mon, Nov 2, 2020, 1:58 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > My copy of Chapman, ?Piloting and Seamanship, 67th edition?, ISBN > 978-1-58816-961-7, Hearst Books, New York, (2013), p341 gives several > examples of scenarios wherein anchoring with a stern anchor is > appropriate. Chapman is sort of the bible of all things nautical. All of > the stern anchoring scenarios have a common need to reduce or limit the > amount of swinging at anchor. Examples include anchoring in a narrow > river, anchoring under the shelter of a windward bank, anchoring near a > busy channel (especially if there is large commercial ship traffic), and > anchoring nearby some other boat that is also using a bow and stern > anchor. Another example is the use of a stern anchor to help keep the boat > from being pinned against a dock by wind or current. > > While the comments about the nonstreamlined stern shape, wave action, > possibility of down by the stern fore/aft trim are all things which the > boater should consider, the fact remains there are many routine situations > wherein the use of a stern anchor is an essential tool which all boaters > should have in their bag of tricks. I have used a stern anchor many times > over the years. > > Here on the Great Lakes, we must have more reasonable US Coast Guard > officers. Neither I or any of my boating friends have ever reported > getting stopped, much less cited, for the sort of scenarios described below. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: JeffSmith > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 12:05 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit > > According to . > > "Do not anchor from the stern!! > Anchoring by the stern has caused many boats ? small boats > especially ? to > capsize and sink . The reason is that the transom is > usually squared off > and has less freeboard than the bow. In addition, the > stern > may be carrying the added weight of a motor, fuel tank, or gear > brought > on board . In a strong current, the force of the water can > pull the stern > under. Anchoring at the stern also makes the boat vulnerable to > swamping by wave action." > > Deploying the anchor from the cockpit and and leading the rhode forward to > the bow is not "anchoring from the stern" in MHO. A USCG member who cites > a > boater for this is probably either a martinet or trying to make his ticket > quota. > > While onboard I have often turned my various boats around on my mooring or > anchors to get more breeze in the cockpit and cabin - or to add shade to > the > cockpit. Never had a problem or a ticket. > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 15:15:24 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 15:15:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: According to https://www.boaterexam.com/navigationrules/anchoring-tips.aspx - Slowly lower the anchor *from the bow*, rather than the stern, to avoid capsizing or swamping. There are no marianettes in the CG, just dedicated public servants keeping us safe or keeping fools off the water. If you have an R22, you have invested in a secure and comfortable anchoring platform--a wide, flat unobstructed bow deck with a bow pulpit you can easily sit in. Use it! Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 12:05 PM JeffSmith wrote: > According to . > > "Do not anchor from the stern!! > Anchoring by the stern has caused many boats ? small boats > especially ? to > capsize and sink . The reason is that the transom is > usually squared off > and has less freeboard than the bow. In addition, the > stern > may be carrying the added weight of a motor, fuel tank, or gear > brought > on board . In a strong current, the force of the water can > pull the stern > under. Anchoring at the stern also makes the boat vulnerable to > swamping by wave action." > > Deploying the anchor from the cockpit and and leading the rhode forward to > the bow is not "anchoring from the stern" in MHO. A USCG member who cites > a > boater for this is probably either a martinet or trying to make his ticket > quota. > > While onboard I have often turned my various boats around on my mooring or > anchors to get more breeze in the cockpit and cabin - or to add shade to > the > cockpit. Never had a problem or a ticket. > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Nov 2 15:48:13 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 15:48:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Different strokes? Personally, I never ?slowly lower? my anchor. I do slowly let out the rode after the anchor is on the bottom, to avoid creating a pile of rode on top of the anchor. I can?t quite figure out how or why one sits in or on the bow pulpit. Having spent 4 years in the Coast Guard (albeit almost 50 years ago), I can say that it was my experience that coasties are just people like everyone else, and there are probably a few marionettes among them. It?s not really their job to keep fools off the water. Good thing too, since that would destroy the pleasure boating industry. ?Peter > On Nov 2, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > According to https://www.boaterexam.com/navigationrules/anchoring-tips.aspx > > > - Slowly lower the anchor *from the bow*, rather than the stern, to > avoid capsizing or swamping. > > There are no marianettes in the CG, just dedicated public servants keeping > us safe or keeping fools off the water. > > If you have an R22, you have invested in a secure and comfortable anchoring > platform--a wide, flat unobstructed bow deck with a bow pulpit you can > easily sit in. Use it! > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Nov 2 15:50:36 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 14:50:36 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hahahah On Mon, Nov 2, 2020, 2:49 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Different strokes? > > Personally, I never ?slowly lower? my anchor. I do slowly let out the > rode after the anchor is on the bottom, to avoid creating a pile of rode on > top of the anchor. > > I can?t quite figure out how or why one sits in or on the bow pulpit. > > Having spent 4 years in the Coast Guard (albeit almost 50 years ago), I > can say that it was my experience that coasties are just people like > everyone else, and there are probably a few marionettes among them. It?s > not really their job to keep fools off the water. Good thing too, since > that would destroy the pleasure boating industry. > > ?Peter > > > On Nov 2, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > > > According to > https://www.boaterexam.com/navigationrules/anchoring-tips.aspx > > > > > > - Slowly lower the anchor *from the bow*, rather than the stern, to > > avoid capsizing or swamping. > > > > There are no marianettes in the CG, just dedicated public servants > keeping > > us safe or keeping fools off the water. > > > > If you have an R22, you have invested in a secure and comfortable > anchoring > > platform--a wide, flat unobstructed bow deck with a bow pulpit you can > > easily sit in. Use it! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > From mitchpadl at gmail.com Mon Nov 2 19:07:48 2020 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 19:07:48 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <04DAB114-CA99-4AE7-95D8-D29263AED714@gmail.com> Haha, so true! Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 2, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?Different strokes? > > Personally, I never ?slowly lower? my anchor. I do slowly let out the rode after the anchor is on the bottom, to avoid creating a pile of rode on top of the anchor. > > I can?t quite figure out how or why one sits in or on the bow pulpit. > > Having spent 4 years in the Coast Guard (albeit almost 50 years ago), I can say that it was my experience that coasties are just people like everyone else, and there are probably a few marionettes among them. It?s not really their job to keep fools off the water. Good thing too, since that would destroy the pleasure boating industry. > > ?Peter > >> On Nov 2, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Rick Lange wrote: >> >> According to https://www.boaterexam.com/navigationrules/anchoring-tips.aspx >> >> >> - Slowly lower the anchor *from the bow*, rather than the stern, to >> avoid capsizing or swamping. >> >> There are no marianettes in the CG, just dedicated public servants keeping >> us safe or keeping fools off the water. >> >> If you have an R22, you have invested in a secure and comfortable anchoring >> platform--a wide, flat unobstructed bow deck with a bow pulpit you can >> easily sit in. Use it! >> >> Regards, >> >> Rick Lange >> From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Nov 2 22:03:09 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2020 22:03:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <50240.24.140.30.102.1604372589.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I an on a small inland lake with a 9.9 hp limit. Mostly pontoon and house boats. Most of the time I overnight, I anchor from the stern, for the increased breeze into the poptop enclosure. When I anchor from the stern, I always run the rode outside the rigging to the bow and secure it to the bow cleat. If the wind picks up, it makes the mast slot whistle and wakes me up and I go release the rode at the stern cleat and the bow swings into the wind. I'm not recommending this, it's just the way I do it on my home lake. Jerry Lowe Hahahah > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2020, 2:49 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > >> Different strokes??? >> >> Personally, I never ???slowly lower??? my anchor. I do slowly let out >> the >> rode after the anchor is on the bottom, to avoid creating a pile of rode >> on >> top of the anchor. >> >> I can???t quite figure out how or why one sits in or on the bow pulpit. >> >> Having spent 4 years in the Coast Guard (albeit almost 50 years ago), I >> can say that it was my experience that coasties are just people like >> everyone else, and there are probably a few marionettes among them. >> It???s >> not really their job to keep fools off the water. Good thing too, since >> that would destroy the pleasure boating industry. >> >> ???Peter >> >> > On Nov 2, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Rick Lange >> wrote: >> > >> > According to >> https://www.boaterexam.com/navigationrules/anchoring-tips.aspx >> > >> > >> > - Slowly lower the anchor *from the bow*, rather than the stern, to >> > avoid capsizing or swamping. >> > >> > There are no marianettes in the CG, just dedicated public servants >> keeping >> > us safe or keeping fools off the water. >> > >> > If you have an R22, you have invested in a secure and comfortable >> anchoring >> > platform--a wide, flat unobstructed bow deck with a bow pulpit you can >> > easily sit in. Use it! >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > Rick Lange >> > >> > From snstaum at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 10:42:12 2020 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 10:42:12 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Up Winter Cover for Sale In-Reply-To: <1604337136155-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1604337136155-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Do you have any pictures of the cover on the boat? *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 12:12 PM JeffSmith wrote: > Radiant came with a 3 part mast up winter cover which I am selling for > $700.00. > It is in very good shape with just a little soiling near the mast. > It is fitted for a stern pulpit that accommodates the captain's chairs and > I > would think that it would also fit non-chair stern pulpits, but am not > positive. > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 16:29:21 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 16:29:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: For many years the GBI factory standard anchor has been a fluke design of about 15 pounds that hangs by its stock from a bracket attached to the bow pulpit. The anchor shank is shackled to the hull. Mine is rubber coated in case it needs to be brought aboard, but I've never had to. I've beat into 5 foot waves and the anchor never budged in its bracket. I've also dropped my anchor facing 3-5 foot waves by kneeling or sitting in the bow pulpit to keep from falling over. Everything is right there in easy reach--the anchor, the rode locker and the bow cleat. Reaching over the pulpit while kneeling or sitting with the rail supporting your armpit gives you all the leverage needed to easily lower or raise the anchor in a rolling sea. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 3:49 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Different strokes? > > Personally, I never ?slowly lower? my anchor. I do slowly let out the > rode after the anchor is on the bottom, to avoid creating a pile of rode on > top of the anchor. > > I can?t quite figure out how or why one sits in or on the bow pulpit. > > Having spent 4 years in the Coast Guard (albeit almost 50 years ago), I > can say that it was my experience that coasties are just people like > everyone else, and there are probably a few marionettes among them. It?s > not really their job to keep fools off the water. Good thing too, since > that would destroy the pleasure boating industry. > > ?Peter > > > On Nov 2, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > > > According to > https://www.boaterexam.com/navigationrules/anchoring-tips.aspx > > > > > > - Slowly lower the anchor *from the bow*, rather than the stern, to > > avoid capsizing or swamping. > > > > There are no marianettes in the CG, just dedicated public servants > keeping > > us safe or keeping fools off the water. > > > > If you have an R22, you have invested in a secure and comfortable > anchoring > > platform--a wide, flat unobstructed bow deck with a bow pulpit you can > > easily sit in. Use it! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 16:54:26 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 15:54:26 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Regardless of your disposition, there's one victory we can all celebrate today: my struggle against the adhesive (presumably 5200) securing the tabernacle has been overcome without any damage. I applied plenty of Marine Formula DeBond, waited patiently and then made iterative use of a combination of knives, a wood wedge, and gentle taps with a rubber mallet. I would scrape out adhesive around the edges, spray more DeBond, go do something else for a few minutes (I've got several other boat projects underway), tap the wedges/knives in a bit further and repeat the process. After about 45 minutes, I heard a gentle pop as the adhesive released. This was followed by another popping sound as I opened a frosty beverage to celebrate. I still have to remove the thin layer of remaining adhesive residue but at least the tabernacle is free from the cabin top. I really appreciate all the helpful advice. Thanks! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 5:32 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your > experiences removing "the devil's glue." It really helps to have the > collective knowledge and research of the group! > > I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife. I > also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very *gentle > taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work. The > DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project. Until > then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at > work. > > I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully not > gripping) conclusion. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot > wrote: > >> OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached >> hatch >> on forward deck >> STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage the >> deck. >> DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer >> Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and wait >> a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience >> essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It will >> work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a >> sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat >> Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well >> >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner >> wrote: >> >> > I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion >> which >> > is nearly impossible to break. >> > >> > Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! >> > >> > Mike >> > s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> > Nissequogue River, NY >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of >> > Graham Stewart >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM >> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >> > >> > Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to >> > break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only >> person >> > to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 and >> > similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested in >> a >> > sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and >> if >> > there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the >> > future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong >> > adhesive but is easier to remove. >> > >> > Graham Stewart >> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> > Kingston Ontario >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf >> > Of Mark Whipple >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >> > >> > I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can >> > slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating it >> > would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how >> it >> > goes. >> > >> > About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck joint. >> > That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. >> > >> > Good luck, >> > >> > Mark >> > >> > Boston, MA >> > >> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >> > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >> > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart >> > wrote: >> > >> > > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a >> > > sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat >> > > before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond >> > > but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast >> > aluminum. >> > > >> > > Graham Stewart >> > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> > > Kingston Ontario >> > > >> > > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> > > Behalf Of Ric Stott >> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM >> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle >> > > >> > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! >> > > Ric >> > > Dadventure >> > > >> > > Sent from my iPhone >> > > >> > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < >> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > ?Hey Jesse, >> > > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about >> > > > impossible >> > > to >> > > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 >> > > > degrees >> > > to >> > > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At >> > > > some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it off. >> > > > You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have >> > > > come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the >> > > > butchery method. Good luck. >> > > > >> > > > Chris Geankoplis >> > > > Enosis. >> > > > >> > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < >> > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> >> > > >> wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to >> > > >> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The three >> > > >> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very >> > > >> strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. >> > > >> The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate with a >> > > >> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been unable >> > to break the seal. >> > > >> >> > > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the >> > > >> tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! >> > > >> >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker >> > > >> S/V Zephyr >> > > >> >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TabernacleRemovalBefore.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 48098 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: TabernacleRemovalAfter.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 38648 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stevenalm at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 17:10:01 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 16:10:01 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift Message-ID: New UHMW slides on my old GB 6:1 motor lift. Cut the pieces by hand on an old mitre box but had to buy the stock and a 1 1/8" drill bit off Amazon. Also replaced the tackle cover mounts with new UHMW as well. (not shown) Total cost about $50. The motor slides up and down much easier than ever. Just in time for snow! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MotorLift1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2687477 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MotorLift2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2976793 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 17:26:35 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 16:26:35 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Nice work Steven. This is the first time I have heard of UHMW. Some brief googling (see link below) shows that this is similar to HPDE, which I am more familiar with. https://www.curbellplastics.com/Research-Solutions/Plastic-Properties/HDPE-vs-UHMW I'm curious, how did you decide to use UHMW rather than HDPE? Thanks, Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM Steven Alm wrote: > New UHMW slides on my old GB 6:1 motor lift. Cut the pieces by hand on an > old mitre box but had to buy the stock and a 1 1/8" drill bit off Amazon. > Also replaced the tackle cover mounts with new UHMW as well. (not shown) > Total cost about $50. The motor slides up and down much easier than ever. > Just in time for snow! > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: MotorLift1.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2687477 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment.jpeg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: MotorLift2.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2976793 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > From stevenalm at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 17:43:41 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 16:43:41 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jesse. I've never really worked with either but from what I've read UHMW is more slippery and likely to slide better in the tracks. It certainly was a challenge to get it clamped down nice and tight in order to make my cuts. It kept sliding around in the mitre box! Maybe Roger P. will give us the lowdown on comparison. On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:26 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Nice work Steven. > > This is the first time I have heard of UHMW. Some brief googling (see link > below) shows that this is similar to HPDE, which I am more familiar with. > > https://www.curbellplastics.com/Research-Solutions/Plastic-Properties/HDPE-vs-UHMW > > > I'm curious, how did you decide to use UHMW rather than HDPE? > > Thanks, > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM Steven Alm wrote: > > > New UHMW slides on my old GB 6:1 motor lift. Cut the pieces by hand on an > > old mitre box but had to buy the stock and a 1 1/8" drill bit off Amazon. > > Also replaced the tackle cover mounts with new UHMW as well. (not shown) > > Total cost about $50. The motor slides up and down much easier than ever. > > Just in time for snow! > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: MotorLift1.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2687477 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment.jpeg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: MotorLift2.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2976793 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > > > > From stevenalm at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 17:49:41 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 16:49:41 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ...Also I should mention I think I got lucky that the stopper at the bottom starboard side came out easily and not through-bolted in the transom. I could slide everything in from below. Otherwise the tackle assembly at the top would have to come off to slide in from the top. On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:43 PM Steven Alm wrote: > Hi Jesse. I've never really worked with either but from what I've read > UHMW is more slippery and likely to slide better in the tracks. It > certainly was a challenge to get it clamped down nice and tight in order to > make my cuts. It kept sliding around in the mitre box! Maybe Roger P. will > give us the lowdown on comparison. > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:26 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Nice work Steven. >> >> This is the first time I have heard of UHMW. Some brief googling (see >> link >> below) shows that this is similar to HPDE, which I am more familiar with. >> >> https://www.curbellplastics.com/Research-Solutions/Plastic-Properties/HDPE-vs-UHMW >> >> >> I'm curious, how did you decide to use UHMW rather than HDPE? >> >> Thanks, >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM Steven Alm wrote: >> >> > New UHMW slides on my old GB 6:1 motor lift. Cut the pieces by hand on >> an >> > old mitre box but had to buy the stock and a 1 1/8" drill bit off >> Amazon. >> > Also replaced the tackle cover mounts with new UHMW as well. (not shown) >> > Total cost about $50. The motor slides up and down much easier than >> ever. >> > Just in time for snow! >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > Name: MotorLift1.jpeg >> > Type: image/jpeg >> > Size: 2687477 bytes >> > Desc: not available >> > URL: < >> > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment.jpeg >> > > >> > -------------- next part -------------- >> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> > Name: MotorLift2.jpeg >> > Type: image/jpeg >> > Size: 2976793 bytes >> > Desc: not available >> > URL: < >> > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment-0001.jpeg >> > > >> > >> > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Nov 3 18:32:45 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 17:32:45 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Deploying anchor from cockpit In-Reply-To: References: <0A7CBAB1-38B9-482A-914F-0C887F92D6E6@me.com> <23D0698B-0D32-422E-8699-5772AFBB717D@sunnybeeches.com> <1604336734731-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I squat like I was back in india up there.... Definitely have to be limber enough, but this is my exercise lol. Lots of balance hahaha. Else I do hang over also, but one of my bolts on the pulpit came loose , so I don't want to climb on it too hard. I store the anchor as described above, with the rhode and such going into the vberth. On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 3:30 PM Rick Lange wrote: > For many years the GBI factory standard anchor has been a fluke design of > about 15 pounds that hangs by its stock from a bracket attached to the bow > pulpit. The anchor shank is shackled to the hull. > > Mine is rubber coated in case it needs to be brought aboard, but I've never > had to. I've beat into 5 foot waves and the anchor never budged in its > bracket. > > I've also dropped my anchor facing 3-5 foot waves by kneeling or sitting in > the bow pulpit to keep from falling over. Everything is right there in > easy reach--the anchor, the rode locker and the bow cleat. Reaching over > the pulpit while kneeling or sitting with the rail supporting your armpit > gives you all the leverage needed to easily lower or raise the anchor in a > rolling sea. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 3:49 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > Different strokes? > > > > Personally, I never ?slowly lower? my anchor. I do slowly let out the > > rode after the anchor is on the bottom, to avoid creating a pile of rode > on > > top of the anchor. > > > > I can?t quite figure out how or why one sits in or on the bow pulpit. > > > > Having spent 4 years in the Coast Guard (albeit almost 50 years ago), I > > can say that it was my experience that coasties are just people like > > everyone else, and there are probably a few marionettes among them. It?s > > not really their job to keep fools off the water. Good thing too, since > > that would destroy the pleasure boating industry. > > > > ?Peter > > > > > On Nov 2, 2020, at 3:15 PM, Rick Lange > wrote: > > > > > > According to > > https://www.boaterexam.com/navigationrules/anchoring-tips.aspx > > > > > > > > > - Slowly lower the anchor *from the bow*, rather than the stern, to > > > avoid capsizing or swamping. > > > > > > There are no marianettes in the CG, just dedicated public servants > > keeping > > > us safe or keeping fools off the water. > > > > > > If you have an R22, you have invested in a secure and comfortable > > anchoring > > > platform--a wide, flat unobstructed bow deck with a bow pulpit you can > > > easily sit in. Use it! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Nov 3 18:36:23 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 17:36:23 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: I have that same 5way Jesse. Nice work, thanks for the update and pics. Look forward to seeing you in MKE next year?! On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 3:54 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Regardless of your disposition, there's one victory we can all celebrate > today: my struggle against the adhesive (presumably 5200) securing the > tabernacle has been overcome without any damage. I applied plenty > of Marine Formula DeBond, waited patiently and then made iterative use of a > combination of knives, a wood wedge, and gentle taps with a rubber mallet. > I would scrape out adhesive around the edges, spray more DeBond, go do > something else for a few minutes (I've got several other boat projects > underway), tap the wedges/knives in a bit further and repeat the process. > After about 45 minutes, I heard a gentle pop as the adhesive released. > This was followed by another popping sound as I opened a frosty beverage to > celebrate. I still have to remove the thin layer of remaining adhesive > residue but at least the tabernacle is free from the cabin top. I really > appreciate all the helpful advice. Thanks! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 5:32 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of your > > experiences removing "the devil's glue." It really helps to have the > > collective knowledge and research of the group! > > > > I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife. I > > also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very > *gentle > > taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work. The > > DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project. > Until > > then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not at > > work. > > > > I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully > not > > gripping) conclusion. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot > > wrote: > > > >> OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached > >> hatch > >> on forward deck > >> STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage the > >> deck. > >> DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer > >> Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and > wait > >> a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience > >> essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It > will > >> work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will need a > >> sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat > >> Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well > >> > >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner < > mweisner at ebsmed.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion > >> which > >> > is nearly impossible to break. > >> > > >> > Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! > >> > > >> > Mike > >> > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >> > Nissequogue River, NY > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > >> > Graham Stewart > >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM > >> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > >> > > >> > Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had to > >> > break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only > >> person > >> > to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 > and > >> > similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested > in > >> a > >> > sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority and > >> if > >> > there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in the > >> > future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong > >> > adhesive but is easier to remove. > >> > > >> > Graham Stewart > >> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >> > Kingston Ontario > >> > > >> > > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > >> Behalf > >> > Of Mark Whipple > >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM > >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > >> > > >> > I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you can > >> > slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if heating > it > >> > would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know how > >> it > >> > goes. > >> > > >> > About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck > joint. > >> > That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. > >> > > >> > Good luck, > >> > > >> > Mark > >> > > >> > Boston, MA > >> > > >> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > >> > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > >> > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > >> > > >> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart > >> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a > >> > > sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel coat > >> > > before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal bond > >> > > but I would still be very careful especially for something like cast > >> > aluminum. > >> > > > >> > > Graham Stewart > >> > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >> > > Kingston Ontario > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > >> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > >> > > Behalf Of Ric Stott > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM > >> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > >> > > > >> > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! > >> > > Ric > >> > > Dadventure > >> > > > >> > > Sent from my iPhone > >> > > > >> > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > >> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > ?Hey Jesse, > >> > > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about > >> > > > impossible > >> > > to > >> > > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 > >> > > > degrees > >> > > to > >> > > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. At > >> > > > some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it > off. > >> > > > You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have > >> > > > come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the > >> > > > butchery method. Good luck. > >> > > > > >> > > > Chris Geankoplis > >> > > > Enosis. > >> > > > > >> > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < > >> > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > >> > > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to > >> > > >> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The > three > >> > > >> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached very > >> > > >> strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was used. > >> > > >> The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate > with a > >> > > >> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been > unable > >> > to break the seal. > >> > > >> > >> > > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the > >> > > >> tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any advice! > >> > > >> > >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> > > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > > >> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: TabernacleRemovalBefore.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 48098 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/222dac6e/attachment.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: TabernacleRemovalAfter.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 38648 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/222dac6e/attachment-0001.jpe > > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 20:35:49 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 18:35:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Up Winter Cover for Sale In-Reply-To: <1604337136155-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1604337136155-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1604453749401-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Stephen, Thanks for your interest. I don't have photos. It will take me a number of hours to raise the mast, install the cover, do numerous photos and then reverse the process. More easily, I can spread the pieces on the lawn and photograph them from above and close up. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Tue Nov 3 21:21:06 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 21:21:06 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle In-Reply-To: References: <4CB575CB-60A1-42B2-A803-50C8A9783E7E@stottarchitecture.com> <004b01d6ac69$ea7ccf80$bf766e80$@ca> <007601d6ac94$670e8370$352b8a50$@ca> <005e01d6ac96$35cb8310$a1628930$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Congratulations on the victory over 5200 Takes patience but it works On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 6:36 PM, Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > I have that same 5way Jesse. > > Nice work, thanks for the update and pics. > Look forward to seeing you in MKE next year?! > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2020, 3:54 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Regardless of your disposition, there's one victory we can all celebrate > > today: my struggle against the adhesive (presumably 5200) securing the > > tabernacle has been overcome without any damage. I applied plenty > > of Marine Formula DeBond, waited patiently and then made iterative use > of a > > combination of knives, a wood wedge, and gentle taps with a rubber > mallet. > > I would scrape out adhesive around the edges, spray more DeBond, go do > > something else for a few minutes (I've got several other boat projects > > underway), tap the wedges/knives in a bit further and repeat the process. > > After about 45 minutes, I heard a gentle pop as the adhesive released. > > This was followed by another popping sound as I opened a frosty beverage > to > > celebrate. I still have to remove the thin layer of remaining adhesive > > residue but at least the tabernacle is free from the cabin top. I really > > appreciate all the helpful advice. Thanks! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 5:32 AM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Thanks for all the quick responses, links to articles and details of > your > > > experiences removing "the devil's glue." It really helps to have the > > > collective knowledge and research of the group! > > > > > > I ordered some Marine Formula DeBond and a razor blade scraper knife. > I > > > also made a wooden wedge and have a rubber mallet ready for some *very > > *gentle > > > taps after patiently waiting for the adhesive remover to go to work. > The > > > DeBond should get here on Friday so this will be a weekend project. > > Until > > > then, I have other boat projects underway to keep me busy when I'm not > at > > > work. > > > > > > I'll be sure to follow up this weekend and let you know the (hopefully > > not > > > gripping) conclusion. > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 4:42 PM David Talbot > > > wrote: > > > > > >> OK I am adding to this as I JUST got through managing a 5200-attached > > >> hatch > > >> on forward deck > > >> STRONGLY recommend you not use mallet or cutting as this can damage > the > > >> deck. > > >> DEBOND (can get via Amazon)works well and is safer > > >> Spray a good layer of the debond under one side of the tabernacle and > > wait > > >> a few minutes, then lightly tap wooden wedges into the gap. patience > > >> essential here. Spray more in and advance a little bit at a time. It > > will > > >> work, just do not force it or you will split the fiberglass. Will > need a > > >> sharp chisel to clean off the gel coat > > >> Agree that Practical Sailor article very helpful as well > > >> > > >> On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 3:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner < > > mweisner at ebsmed.com> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > I wonder how 3M 5200 compares to adult barnacle attachment secretion > > >> which > > >> > is nearly impossible to break. > > >> > > > >> > Maybe Debond would work on barnacles! > > >> > > > >> > Mike > > >> > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > >> > Nissequogue River, NY > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf > Of > > >> > Graham Stewart > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 3:07 PM > > >> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > >> > > > >> > Mark: I wouldn't even use it for the hull-deck joint. In fact I had > to > > >> > break the seal to remove the foredeck on my boat. I may be the only > > >> person > > >> > to ever do that but still I don't think anything is permanent. 5200 > > and > > >> > similar are incredible adhesives but if you are primarily interested > > in > > >> a > > >> > sealant where high adhesive qualities are not the highest priority > and > > >> if > > >> > there is any possibility that you might want to break the bond in > the > > >> > future, I would always seek an alternative. 3M 4200 is a very strong > > >> > adhesive but is easier to remove. > > >> > > > >> > Graham Stewart > > >> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > >> > Kingston Ontario > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -----Original Message----- > > >> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > >> Behalf > > >> > Of Mark Whipple > > >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 10:28 AM > > >> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > >> > > > >> > I've read that if you take a strong, thin wire like piano wire you > can > > >> > slowly cut through the 5200 (AKA Devil's Glue). Don't know if > heating > > it > > >> > would help. I've never needed to try this so if you do let us know > how > > >> it > > >> > goes. > > >> > > > >> > About the only legit use I've heard of for 5200 is a hull-to-deck > > joint. > > >> > That's something that you hope you'll never have to disassemble. > > >> > > > >> > Good luck, > > >> > > > >> > Mark > > >> > > > >> > Boston, MA > > >> > > > >> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > >> > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > >> > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > >> > > > >> > On Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 10:03 AM Graham Stewart < > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> > > >> > wrote: > > >> > > > >> > > Where something is adhering to fiberglass with 5200 I think a > > >> > > sufficient whack to break the bond is likely to remove the gel > coat > > >> > > before the bond breaks. A whack might work for a metal to metal > bond > > >> > > but I would still be very careful especially for something like > cast > > >> > aluminum. > > >> > > > > >> > > Graham Stewart > > >> > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > >> > > Kingston Ontario > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > -----Original Message----- > > >> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > >> > > Behalf Of Ric Stott > > >> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2020 8:09 AM > > >> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] removing tabernacle > > >> > > > > >> > > Careful wack with Rubber mallet!! > > >> > > Ric > > >> > > Dadventure > > >> > > > > >> > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> > > > > >> > > > On Oct 26, 2020, at 11:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis < > > >> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > > > > >> > > > ?Hey Jesse, > > >> > > > Sounds like PL5200. Strongest stuff in the world. Just about > > >> > > > impossible > > >> > > to > > >> > > > remove. You might make a hack saw frame but with the blade at 90 > > >> > > > degrees > > >> > > to > > >> > > > a normal one. Slowly cut between the cabin roof and tabernacle. > At > > >> > > > some point you can apply a rotational motion and should get it > > off. > > >> > > > You will Have an ugly scarred area. Research to see if they have > > >> > > > come up with a solvent for 5200. If so, use that rather than the > > >> > > > butchery method. Good luck. > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Chris Geankoplis > > >> > > > Enosis. > > >> > > > > > >> > > >> On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 21:51, Jesse Shumaker < > > >> > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > >> > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Hi, I'm attempting to remove the mast tabernacle in order to > > >> > > >> install the Dwyer Halyard Organizer plate (part DH288). The > > three > > >> > > >> screws came out easily, but the tabernacle is still attached > very > > >> > > >> strongly with an adhesive. I don't know what adhesive was > used. > > >> > > >> The adhesive is colored white. I tried heating up the plate > > with a > > >> > > >> soldering iron and tried to squeeze in a razor but have been > > unable > > >> > to break the seal. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> I would appreciate any tips from the group on how to free the > > >> > > >> tabernacle from the cabin top. Thanks in advance for any > advice! > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > >> > > >> S/V Zephyr > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: TabernacleRemovalBefore.JPG > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 48098 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/222dac6e/attachment.jpe > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: TabernacleRemovalAfter.JPG > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 38648 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/222dac6e/attachment-0001.jpe > > > > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Nov 4 06:38:24 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 06:38:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Steven Nice work! I have plastic inside the aluminum (1984)channel. It?s about 3/8? thick. I don?t see any plastic in your channel. I?m about to replace my channels as well and thinking of using stainless steel instead of aluminum. Any thoughts? Also do you know how your 2 channels are attached to the hull and what kind of backing you have in the laz if any? Ric Dadventure. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Steven Alm wrote: > > ?...Also I should mention I think I got lucky that the stopper at the bottom > starboard side came out easily and not through-bolted in the transom. I > could slide everything in from below. Otherwise the tackle assembly at the > top would have to come off to slide in from the top. > >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:43 PM Steven Alm wrote: >> >> Hi Jesse. I've never really worked with either but from what I've read >> UHMW is more slippery and likely to slide better in the tracks. It >> certainly was a challenge to get it clamped down nice and tight in order to >> make my cuts. It kept sliding around in the mitre box! Maybe Roger P. will >> give us the lowdown on comparison. >> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:26 PM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Nice work Steven. >>> >>> This is the first time I have heard of UHMW. Some brief googling (see >>> link >>> below) shows that this is similar to HPDE, which I am more familiar with. >>> >>> https://www.curbellplastics.com/Research-Solutions/Plastic-Properties/HDPE-vs-UHMW >>> >>> >>> I'm curious, how did you decide to use UHMW rather than HDPE? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM Steven Alm wrote: >>> >>>> New UHMW slides on my old GB 6:1 motor lift. Cut the pieces by hand on >>> an >>>> old mitre box but had to buy the stock and a 1 1/8" drill bit off >>> Amazon. >>>> Also replaced the tackle cover mounts with new UHMW as well. (not shown) >>>> Total cost about $50. The motor slides up and down much easier than >>> ever. >>>> Just in time for snow! >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: MotorLift1.jpeg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 2687477 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: < >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment.jpeg >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: MotorLift2.jpeg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 2976793 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: < >>>> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment-0001.jpeg >>>>> >>>> >>> >> From stevenalm at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 09:40:51 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 08:40:51 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ric. The lift always had some side play and years ago I added both plastic and wood strips in the tracks to try to mitigate that. The round ears that run in the tracks originally had bushings that deteriorated and this season the mount popped out of the tracks while I was sailing (I had to call for a tow to get back to my slip in the marina. Luckily the 6:1 tackle prevented the whole shebang from falling off into the lake!) hence the new sliders cut to fit without the need for the strips and eliminating the side play. The aluminum tracks are side mounted to the black strips you can see in the photos of some sort of composite material, ( I don?t know exactly what it is ? maybe HPDE) and that material is through bolted to the transom. The 30 year old aluminum tracks are still fine and haven?t warped or anything so the overall system is solid. With the new, slippery UHMW sliders the lift works better than ever before. ?Slim? Fandango On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 5:38 AM Ric Stott wrote: > Hi Steven > Nice work! I have plastic inside the aluminum (1984)channel. It?s about > 3/8? thick. I don?t see any plastic in your channel. I?m about to replace > my channels as well and thinking of using stainless steel instead of > aluminum. > Any thoughts? > Also do you know how your 2 channels are attached to the hull and what > kind of backing you have in the laz if any? > Ric > Dadventure. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 3, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Steven Alm wrote: > > > > ?...Also I should mention I think I got lucky that the stopper at the > bottom > > starboard side came out easily and not through-bolted in the transom. I > > could slide everything in from below. Otherwise the tackle assembly at > the > > top would have to come off to slide in from the top. > > > >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:43 PM Steven Alm wrote: > >> > >> Hi Jesse. I've never really worked with either but from what I've read > >> UHMW is more slippery and likely to slide better in the tracks. It > >> certainly was a challenge to get it clamped down nice and tight in > order to > >> make my cuts. It kept sliding around in the mitre box! Maybe Roger P. > will > >> give us the lowdown on comparison. > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:26 PM Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Nice work Steven. > >>> > >>> This is the first time I have heard of UHMW. Some brief googling (see > >>> link > >>> below) shows that this is similar to HPDE, which I am more familiar > with. > >>> > >>> > https://www.curbellplastics.com/Research-Solutions/Plastic-Properties/HDPE-vs-UHMW > >>> > >>> > >>> I'm curious, how did you decide to use UHMW rather than HDPE? > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Jesse Shumaker > >>> S/V Zephyr > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM Steven Alm > wrote: > >>> > >>>> New UHMW slides on my old GB 6:1 motor lift. Cut the pieces by hand on > >>> an > >>>> old mitre box but had to buy the stock and a 1 1/8" drill bit off > >>> Amazon. > >>>> Also replaced the tackle cover mounts with new UHMW as well. (not > shown) > >>>> Total cost about $50. The motor slides up and down much easier than > >>> ever. > >>>> Just in time for snow! > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> Name: MotorLift1.jpeg > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>> Size: 2687477 bytes > >>>> Desc: not available > >>>> URL: < > >>>> > >>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment.jpeg > >>>>> > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> Name: MotorLift2.jpeg > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>> Size: 2976793 bytes > >>>> Desc: not available > >>>> URL: < > >>>> > >>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment-0001.jpeg > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 11:36:35 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 09:36:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: References: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1604507795459-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks everyone. Good advice on the 3hp. I checked into the 5hp and 8hp electric Torqeedo outboards and discovered that they were a little more expensive than I'd thought. The cheaper lithium batteries are $3K a pop and at 50+ lbs. are not exactly portable (for me), so you really need shore power which I won't have at my new marina. I thought Stan was overcharging for his electric motor systems. Now I think he's losing money. :) Lee Temporarily Boatless Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Nov 4 12:10:35 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 12:10:35 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02360D91-EC63-4C08-9B4B-88568A1A357E@stottarchitecture.com> Thanks for that info. I might stick with aluminum U channel. Ric Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 4, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Steven Alm wrote: > > ?Hi Ric. The lift always had some side play and years ago I added both > plastic and wood strips in the tracks to try to mitigate that. The round > ears that run in the tracks originally had bushings that deteriorated and > this season the mount popped out of the tracks while I was sailing (I had > to call for a tow to get back to my slip in the marina. Luckily the 6:1 > tackle prevented the whole shebang from falling off into the lake!) hence > the new sliders cut to fit without the need for the strips and eliminating > the side play. The aluminum tracks are side mounted to the black strips you > can see in the photos of some sort of composite material, ( I don?t know > exactly what it is ? maybe HPDE) and that material is through bolted to the > transom. The 30 year old aluminum tracks are still fine and haven?t warped > or anything so the overall system is solid. With the new, slippery UHMW > sliders the lift works better than ever before. > > ?Slim? > Fandango > >> On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 5:38 AM Ric Stott wrote: >> >> Hi Steven >> Nice work! I have plastic inside the aluminum (1984)channel. It?s about >> 3/8? thick. I don?t see any plastic in your channel. I?m about to replace >> my channels as well and thinking of using stainless steel instead of >> aluminum. >> Any thoughts? >> Also do you know how your 2 channels are attached to the hull and what >> kind of backing you have in the laz if any? >> Ric >> Dadventure. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Nov 3, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Steven Alm wrote: >>> >>> ?...Also I should mention I think I got lucky that the stopper at the >> bottom >>> starboard side came out easily and not through-bolted in the transom. I >>> could slide everything in from below. Otherwise the tackle assembly at >> the >>> top would have to come off to slide in from the top. >>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:43 PM Steven Alm wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Jesse. I've never really worked with either but from what I've read >>>> UHMW is more slippery and likely to slide better in the tracks. It >>>> certainly was a challenge to get it clamped down nice and tight in >> order to >>>> make my cuts. It kept sliding around in the mitre box! Maybe Roger P. >> will >>>> give us the lowdown on comparison. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:26 PM Jesse Shumaker < >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Nice work Steven. >>>>> >>>>> This is the first time I have heard of UHMW. Some brief googling (see >>>>> link >>>>> below) shows that this is similar to HPDE, which I am more familiar >> with. >>>>> >>>>> >> https://www.curbellplastics.com/Research-Solutions/Plastic-Properties/HDPE-vs-UHMW >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm curious, how did you decide to use UHMW rather than HDPE? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 4:10 PM Steven Alm >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> New UHMW slides on my old GB 6:1 motor lift. Cut the pieces by hand on >>>>> an >>>>>> old mitre box but had to buy the stock and a 1 1/8" drill bit off >>>>> Amazon. >>>>>> Also replaced the tackle cover mounts with new UHMW as well. (not >> shown) >>>>>> Total cost about $50. The motor slides up and down much easier than >>>>> ever. >>>>>> Just in time for snow! >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: MotorLift1.jpeg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 2687477 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: < >>>>>> >>>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment.jpeg >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: MotorLift2.jpeg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 2976793 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: < >>>>>> >>>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201103/1d8b6978/attachment-0001.jpeg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> From snstaum at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 12:54:31 2020 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 12:54:31 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I had a 4 HP 2 stroke on my first Rhodes and it was adequate even in a 35 mph wind with 4 foot seas. However, we experienced a surprise squall this summer with 40 - 60 mph winds and 5 foot seas and I was real glad to have my 9.9 HP Johnson Sailmaster. Even with the extra power reserve there were times that I did not think we were going to survive with the boat floating. I even tethered myself at the helm for the first time in 18 years of salt water sailing. I can't speak for the lake sailors, but I would not be in the ocean with less than 6 HP going forward. *Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Fri, Oct 30, 2020 at 12:44 PM Lee wrote: > Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but > then > discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the outboard to > get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even move a > 3,500 > keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. > > Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. > > Lee > Boatless for Now > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From lgioia at yahoo.com Wed Nov 4 17:04:57 2020 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 22:04:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard. 50hp Electric Elco vs 115hp gas Yahama In-Reply-To: <1604507795459-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1604507795459-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <21268068.1363616.1604527497724@mail.yahoo.com> I was looking into getting a 50hp Elco electric outboard for a new 22' pontoon boat here in Tampa, I'd seen one on a pontoon at Lake George.? Here's what I found:?Cost:?Elco: The motor is $9k, but the 4 Lithium Ion batteries, charger, connector, and monitor are $19k (batteries alone are $16k) so $28k total, and the combination on a 22' pontoon has a top speed of 8 knots.???115hp Yamaha 4 stroke: $11k .? Top speed probably 25+ knots, though we won't be going that fast.?Weight is pretty similar:Elco:? Motor: 190 lbs,? 4 Lithium batteries @ 85lbs each = 340 lbs? ?Total: 530 lbs? ?? ? - They do offer lead-acid batteries but you need 8 with a total weight of 1,144 lbs. Pretty sure that'd sink the boat. ??115hp Yamaha:? 377 lbs plus 20 gals gas @ 6.5 lbs/gal (130 lbs) plus 50lb battery? Total: 557 lbs??If usage was high Electric charging cost vs cost of gasoline would be good to look at, but on this small-ish lake and considering our 60+ ages I don't see a lot of fast usage.?Oh well, I went with the 115hp Yamaha.? The Elco probably makes sense on a lake that doesn't allow gas engines, I understand that someplace in Sweden just ordered 50 of them.? Check out?http://www.elcomotoryachts.com???Larry ?'86 R22 - Keystone Lake, Tampa'14 R22 - Lake George, NY On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 11:36:37 AM EST, Lee wrote: Thanks everyone.? Good advice on the 3hp.? I checked into the 5hp and 8hp electric Torqeedo outboards and discovered that they were a little more expensive than I'd thought.? The cheaper lithium batteries are $3K a pop and at 50+ lbs. are not exactly portable (for me), so you really need shore power which I won't have at my new marina. I thought Stan was overcharging for his electric motor systems.? Now I think he's losing money.? :) Lee Temporarily Boatless Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Nov 4 17:14:51 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 16:14:51 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard. 50hp Electric Elco vs 115hp gas Yahama In-Reply-To: <21268068.1363616.1604527497724@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1604507795459-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <21268068.1363616.1604527497724@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I thought about elco pretty hard when receiving my boat. Alas, I already had a 2017 4stroke 8hp that came with her. It would have cost 10k+ OTD to fit anyways. Maybe in 29 years when this engine ages and the power dynamic of batteries is solved. On Wed, Nov 4, 2020, 4:05 PM Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I was looking into getting a 50hp Elco electric outboard for a new 22' > pontoon boat here in Tampa, I'd seen one on a pontoon at Lake George. > Here's what I found: Cost: Elco: The motor is $9k, but the 4 Lithium Ion > batteries, charger, connector, and monitor are $19k (batteries alone are > $16k) so $28k total, and the combination on a 22' pontoon has a top speed > of 8 knots. 115hp Yamaha 4 stroke: $11k . Top speed probably 25+ knots, > though we won't be going that fast. Weight is pretty similar:Elco: Motor: > 190 lbs, 4 Lithium batteries @ 85lbs each = 340 lbs Total: 530 lbs > - They do offer lead-acid batteries but you need 8 with a total weight of > 1,144 lbs. Pretty sure that'd sink the boat. > 115hp Yamaha: 377 lbs plus 20 gals gas @ 6.5 lbs/gal (130 lbs) plus > 50lb battery Total: 557 lbs If usage was high Electric charging cost vs > cost of gasoline would be good to look at, but on this small-ish lake and > considering our 60+ ages I don't see a lot of fast usage. Oh well, I went > with the 115hp Yamaha. The Elco probably makes sense on a lake that > doesn't allow gas engines, I understand that someplace in Sweden just > ordered 50 of them. Check out http://www.elcomotoryachts.com Larry > '86 R22 - Keystone Lake, Tampa'14 R22 - Lake George, NY > > > On Wednesday, November 4, 2020, 11:36:37 AM EST, Lee < > lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks everyone. Good advice on the 3hp. I checked into the 5hp and 8hp > electric Torqeedo outboards and discovered that they were a little more > expensive than I'd thought. The cheaper lithium batteries are $3K a pop > and > at 50+ lbs. are not exactly portable (for me), so you really need shore > power which I won't have at my new marina. > > I thought Stan was overcharging for his electric motor systems. Now I > think > he's losing money. :) > > Lee > Temporarily Boatless > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 18:02:31 2020 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 18:02:31 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 3 Horsepower Electric Outboard In-Reply-To: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1604076248394-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <92DEC448-02AE-464F-B52C-37EB7D7B95D5@gmail.com> Check out epropulsion > On Oct 30, 2020, at 12:44 PM, Lee wrote: > > ?Does anyone have a 3hp on their Rhodes? I was hoping to get an 8hp but then > discovered the battery wasn't portable. I mostly only need the outboard to > get in and out of my slip but I'm wondering if a 3hp could even move a 3,500 > keel boat into a strong headwind if necessary. > > Torqeedo customer service said it would be enough, to no surprise. > > Lee > Boatless for Now > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Wed Nov 4 18:29:51 2020 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2020 18:29:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion Message-ID: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> Here is the link. I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 https://www.epropulsion.com/ They have a 9.9hp The battery is lightweight and portable. Bob (Palatka) From stan at generalboats.com Thu Nov 5 05:01:34 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 05:01:34 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion In-Reply-To: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> References: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> Installing one this week.? Think it is the Navy 6. Will announce results but don't know when. ss On 11/4/20 6:29 PM, Goodness wrote: > Here is the link. > I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 > > https://www.epropulsion.com/ > > They have a 9.9hp > The battery is lightweight and portable. > > Bob > (Palatka) > From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 11:02:10 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 11:02:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion In-Reply-To: <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> References: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Its the Navy 3, with their E80 battery Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:01 AM stan wrote: > Installing one this week. Think it is the Navy 6. > > Will announce results but don't know when. > > ss > > > On 11/4/20 6:29 PM, Goodness wrote: > > Here is the link. > > I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 > > > > https://www.epropulsion.com/ > > > > They have a 9.9hp > > The battery is lightweight and portable. > > > > Bob > > (Palatka) > > > > From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 11:02:56 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 11:02:56 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion In-Reply-To: References: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> Message-ID: They claim it is a 6hp equivalent Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:02 AM Reuben Mezrich wrote: > Its the Navy 3, with their E80 battery > > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:01 AM stan wrote: > >> Installing one this week. Think it is the Navy 6. >> >> Will announce results but don't know when. >> >> ss >> >> >> On 11/4/20 6:29 PM, Goodness wrote: >> > Here is the link. >> > I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 >> > >> > https://www.epropulsion.com/ >> > >> > They have a 9.9hp >> > The battery is lightweight and portable. >> > >> > Bob >> > (Palatka) >> > >> >> From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Nov 5 11:05:02 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 16:05:02 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion In-Reply-To: References: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> , Message-ID: Reuben, We will want a full report once you get some experience with the motor. -- Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Reuben Mezrich Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 11:02 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion They claim it is a 6hp equivalent Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:02 AM Reuben Mezrich wrote: > Its the Navy 3, with their E80 battery > > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:01 AM stan wrote: > >> Installing one this week. Think it is the Navy 6. >> >> Will announce results but don't know when. >> >> ss >> >> >> On 11/4/20 6:29 PM, Goodness wrote: >> > Here is the link. >> > I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 >> > >> > https://www.epropulsion.com/ >> > >> > They have a 9.9hp >> > The battery is lightweight and portable. >> > >> > Bob >> > (Palatka) >> > >> >> From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 12:25:25 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 12:25:25 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion In-Reply-To: References: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> Message-ID: I look forward to describing what I learn. The specs indicate it has sufficient power/torque to drive the boat (6hp) and sufficient energy storage 4Kwh to go over an hour at FOT or many hours at reduced throttle but I'm more than a little anxious to find out what that means. the nice thing about Sarasota, where I'll be, is that I'll have all winter to find out Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:05 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Reuben, > We will want a full report once you get some experience with the motor. > -- Rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Reuben Mezrich > Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 11:02 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - > ePropulsion > > They claim it is a 6hp equivalent > > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 11:02 AM Reuben Mezrich > wrote: > > > Its the Navy 3, with their E80 battery > > > > Reuben Mezrich > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:01 AM stan wrote: > > > >> Installing one this week. Think it is the Navy 6. > >> > >> Will announce results but don't know when. > >> > >> ss > >> > >> > >> On 11/4/20 6:29 PM, Goodness wrote: > >> > Here is the link. > >> > I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 > >> > > >> > https://www.epropulsion.com/ > >> > > >> > They have a 9.9hp > >> > The battery is lightweight and portable. > >> > > >> > Bob > >> > (Palatka) > >> > > >> > >> > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 18:53:21 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 18:53:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion In-Reply-To: References: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Hey Robin. Let me know if you need a hand. Chris G On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 11:01, Reuben Mezrich wrote: > Its the Navy 3, with their E80 battery > > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:01 AM stan wrote: > > > Installing one this week. Think it is the Navy 6. > > > > Will announce results but don't know when. > > > > ss > > > > > > On 11/4/20 6:29 PM, Goodness wrote: > > > Here is the link. > > > I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 > > > > > > https://www.epropulsion.com/ > > > > > > They have a 9.9hp > > > The battery is lightweight and portable. > > > > > > Bob > > > (Palatka) > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 18:54:56 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2020 18:54:56 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion In-Reply-To: References: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Sorry for the typo Robin, er Reuben! On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 18:53, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Robin. Let me know if you need a hand. > Chris G > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 11:01, Reuben Mezrich > wrote: > >> Its the Navy 3, with their E80 battery >> >> Reuben Mezrich >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore >> Cell: 410-499-8922 >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:01 AM stan wrote: >> >> > Installing one this week. Think it is the Navy 6. >> > >> > Will announce results but don't know when. >> > >> > ss >> > >> > >> > On 11/4/20 6:29 PM, Goodness wrote: >> > > Here is the link. >> > > I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 >> > > >> > > https://www.epropulsion.com/ >> > > >> > > They have a 9.9hp >> > > The battery is lightweight and portable. >> > > >> > > Bob >> > > (Palatka) >> > > >> > >> > >> > From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 07:19:18 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 07:19:18 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion In-Reply-To: References: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Chris Soon as I find out when the boat is scheduled to arrive I'll give you a call...Hopefully you'll still be in Florida Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 6:55 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Sorry for the typo Robin, er Reuben! > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 18:53, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > Hey Robin. Let me know if you need a hand. > > Chris G > > > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 11:01, Reuben Mezrich > > wrote: > > > >> Its the Navy 3, with their E80 battery > >> > >> Reuben Mezrich > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > >> Cell: 410-499-8922 > >> > >> > >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:01 AM stan wrote: > >> > >> > Installing one this week. Think it is the Navy 6. > >> > > >> > Will announce results but don't know when. > >> > > >> > ss > >> > > >> > > >> > On 11/4/20 6:29 PM, Goodness wrote: > >> > > Here is the link. > >> > > I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 > >> > > > >> > > https://www.epropulsion.com/ > >> > > > >> > > They have a 9.9hp > >> > > The battery is lightweight and portable. > >> > > > >> > > Bob > >> > > (Palatka) > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 17:58:14 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 17:58:14 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion In-Reply-To: References: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Great. My son is discussing being a delivery guy for Stan since he is a prof at K State and and often has a cluster of days off. On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 07:18, Reuben Mezrich wrote: > Chris > Soon as I find out when the boat is scheduled to arrive I'll give you a > call...Hopefully you'll still be in Florida > > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 6:55 PM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > Sorry for the typo Robin, er Reuben! > > > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 18:53, Chris Geankoplis > > > wrote: > > > > > Hey Robin. Let me know if you need a hand. > > > Chris G > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 11:01, Reuben Mezrich > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Its the Navy 3, with their E80 battery > > >> > > >> Reuben Mezrich > > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > > >> Cell: 410-499-8922 > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:01 AM stan wrote: > > >> > > >> > Installing one this week. Think it is the Navy 6. > > >> > > > >> > Will announce results but don't know when. > > >> > > > >> > ss > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > On 11/4/20 6:29 PM, Goodness wrote: > > >> > > Here is the link. > > >> > > I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 > > >> > > > > >> > > https://www.epropulsion.com/ > > >> > > > > >> > > They have a 9.9hp > > >> > > The battery is lightweight and portable. > > >> > > > > >> > > Bob > > >> > > (Palatka) > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Fri Nov 6 20:55:45 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 20:55:45 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboard Motor for Boats - ePropulsion In-Reply-To: References: <2501FFA1-3A1A-450B-958D-8A825A886808@gmail.com> <9f596e0f-1a78-5e06-5f43-f4cf95714094@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Wouldn't that be nice if he was the one who delivered my boat!! Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 5:58 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Great. My son is discussing being a delivery guy for Stan since he is a > prof at K State and and often has a cluster of days off. > > > On Fri, 6 Nov 2020 at 07:18, Reuben Mezrich > wrote: > > > Chris > > Soon as I find out when the boat is scheduled to arrive I'll give you a > > call...Hopefully you'll still be in Florida > > > > Reuben Mezrich > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > > > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 6:55 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Sorry for the typo Robin, er Reuben! > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 18:53, Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Robin. Let me know if you need a hand. > > > > Chris G > > > > > > > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 11:01, Reuben Mezrich < > reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Its the Navy 3, with their E80 battery > > > >> > > > >> Reuben Mezrich > > > >> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > > > >> Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Thu, Nov 5, 2020 at 5:01 AM stan wrote: > > > >> > > > >> > Installing one this week. Think it is the Navy 6. > > > >> > > > > >> > Will announce results but don't know when. > > > >> > > > > >> > ss > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > On 11/4/20 6:29 PM, Goodness wrote: > > > >> > > Here is the link. > > > >> > > I priced the 3hp today and its $2300 > > > >> > > > > > >> > > https://www.epropulsion.com/ > > > >> > > > > > >> > > They have a 9.9hp > > > >> > > The battery is lightweight and portable. > > > >> > > > > > >> > > Bob > > > >> > > (Palatka) > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > From mark at whipplefamily.com Fri Nov 13 17:45:30 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:45:30 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Data Message-ID: Based on some comments about sail size on this list I'm thinking of ordering a kit for a 130% genoa from Sailrite. (I have several sewing machines and enough experience to be dangerous. ?) FWIW I currently have a self-tending jib on a Hoyt boom that may actually be less than 100%. There's also a 175% that came with the boat but I don't love tacking big sails, especially after hearing about the experiences of others. Can anyone tell me if these measurements are correct? I know I probably should measure the I and J myself but the mast is down and the boat's covered, etc. These are from the Sailrite site, who claims the data came from Harken or Lithicum(?). The only thing on sailboatdata.com is the Rhodes 22 Continental (which credits "Sam" Spitzer, BTW). I - 25 feet J - 9 feet P - 22 feet E - 9 feet (not that P or E matter for a genny). Thanks for any input. Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* From mark at whipplefamily.com Fri Nov 13 17:58:10 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 17:58:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Harken Furler In-Reply-To: References: <10016ED0-2BFC-4698-9900-ABEED869B033@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Roger, I have a Harken furler that came off another boat, I think it's a unit 0. The foil had issues with one or more joints but since it was off a 30' boat, the furler can/will be shortened anyway. A few questions: 1. Did you have to make any adjustments when you switched to the Harken? I have a CDI furler now and I know you said your first one was the OEM version. 2. With your current furler, you have a halyard running up the mast which has to attach to the upper swivel below where the foil connects to the mast, correct? 3. Do you have to do anything different to step/unstep the mast than with the previous furler? I know it was a few years ago when you made that change. I'd love to have the ability to more easily change headsails during the season or to remove the jib at the end of the season. Any thoughts you have are appreciated. Thanks, Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 12:19 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > David, > > I changed the OEM furler to a Harken Unit 0. This roller furler has upper > and lower swivels so that the genoa can make effective use of a foam luff > pad for better furled sail shape over a wider dynamic range. The luff foil > is made by joining several extruded aluminum alloy sections vs one piece. > I like this system because damaged sections can be replaced. Harken makes > extensive use of Torlon ball bearings on both the upper and lower swivels. > Even after 30 seasons of use, my furler still spins as easily as a bicycle > wheel. It has never malfunctioned even once in all those years. > > If you are going to go to the trouble and expense of upgrading your roller > furler, get a quality unit. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > From borderfolle at yahoo.com Fri Nov 13 19:06:40 2020 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 00:06:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Data In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1227642648.3154802.1605312400477@mail.yahoo.com> Mark, Once you have completed this sail, I would be very interested to hear about your experience with it.? This includes both the construction and performance of it.? I originally sewed a Sailrite mainsail cover for our first Rhodes in 1981.? A few years ago?I purchased a Sailrite sewing machine and have used it for all kinds of things including a bimini for our Rhodes.? I have been thinking about sewing a 130% genoa since I have both a working jib and a 175% that came with our boat.? I have also been thinking about sewing a new mainsail. I have found Sailrite to be a wonderful company to deal with and I love the sewing machine. Don Simons??Ithaca, NY On Friday, November 13, 2020, 05:45:46 PM EST, Mark Whipple wrote: Based on some comments about sail size on this list I'm thinking of ordering a kit for a 130% genoa from Sailrite. (I have several sewing machines and enough experience to be dangerous. ?) FWIW I currently have a self-tending jib on a Hoyt boom that may actually be less than 100%. There's also a 175% that came with the boat but I don't love tacking big sails, especially after hearing about the experiences of others. Can anyone tell me if these measurements are correct? I know I probably should measure the I and J myself but the mast is down and the boat's covered, etc. These are from the Sailrite site, who claims the data came from Harken or Lithicum(?). The only thing on sailboatdata.com is the Rhodes 22 Continental (which credits "Sam" Spitzer, BTW). I - 25 feet J - 9 feet P - 22 feet E - 9 feet (not that P or E matter for a genny). Thanks for any input. Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* From retiredtoby at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 10:16:42 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 10:16:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount Message-ID: I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was apparently hit in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage most of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the old parts. However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea what I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat from an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can now send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same set up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he no longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must rely on your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three 1/4 inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared into two pieces. Thanks for your help, Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper "86 Radford, VA From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 11:17:44 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:17:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Gary, Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will help. Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. Good luck! Lee No Boat Yet Claytor Lake, VA On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > apparently hit > in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage most > of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the old > parts. > However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea what > I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat from > an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can now > send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same set > up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he no > longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must rely on > your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three 1/4 > inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared into > two pieces. > > Thanks for your help, > Cary Tolbert > S/V Whisper "86 > Radford, VA > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1770484 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1804873 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1845462 bytes Desc: not available URL: From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 11:25:17 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:25:17 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cary, After looking more closely at the first picture, it looks like there is a rubber block attached at the bottom of the inside of the rails. It's an electric motor lift but I doubt that makes any difference. Lee On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:17 AM Lee Kuhn wrote: > Gary, > > Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will help. > Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. Good > luck! > > Lee > No Boat Yet > Claytor Lake, VA > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > >> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was >> apparently hit >> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage most >> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the old >> parts. >> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea >> what >> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. >> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat from >> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can now >> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same set >> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he no >> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must rely >> on >> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. >> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three 1/4 >> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared >> into >> two pieces. >> >> Thanks for your help, >> Cary Tolbert >> S/V Whisper "86 >> Radford, VA >> > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 11:31:29 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:31:29 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That system is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my 86. Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all electrical controls. Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? Cary On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn wrote: > Gary, > > Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will help. > Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. Good > luck! > > Lee > No Boat Yet > Claytor Lake, VA > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > > > I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > > apparently hit > > in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage > most > > of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the old > > parts. > > However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea > what > > I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > > Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat > from > > an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can now > > send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same set > > up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he no > > longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must rely > on > > your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > > It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three 1/4 > > inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared > into > > two pieces. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Cary Tolbert > > S/V Whisper "86 > > Radford, VA > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1770484 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1804873 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1845462 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > > > From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 11:38:33 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 11:38:33 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the trigger on getting a recycled one from Stan. On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That system > is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my 86. > Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all electrical > controls. > Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? > Cary > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn wrote: > > > Gary, > > > > Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will help. > > Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. Good > > luck! > > > > Lee > > No Boat Yet > > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert > > wrote: > > > > > I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > > > apparently hit > > > in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage > > most > > > of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the > old > > > parts. > > > However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea > > what > > > I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > > > Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat > > from > > > an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can > now > > > send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same > set > > > up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he no > > > longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must > rely > > on > > > your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > > > It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three > 1/4 > > > inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared > > into > > > two pieces. > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > Cary Tolbert > > > S/V Whisper "86 > > > Radford, VA > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 1770484 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 1804873 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 1845462 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sat Nov 14 13:24:00 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 18:24:00 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Harken furler In-Reply-To: References: <10016ED0-2BFC-4698-9900-ABEED869B033@sunnybeeches.com> , Message-ID: Mark, Hopefully, you received the Harken instruction manual when you bought your furler. If not, I think I still have mine and can make you a copy. There is some fairly critical geometry that must be satisfied regarding the angle the halyard makes from the top swivel to the turning block on the masthead when the top swivel is in the sail hoisted position. Yes there is a separate halyard for the headsail. Yes you can hoist and lower the headsail underway. Inspect the headsail foil. The critical things are that it is not bent and the luff groove is smooth at each of the joints. Minor bends can be straightened. Minor roughness can be smoothed out with a file &/or Emory cloth. Otherwise, the section of headsail foil will have to replaced. The manual will explain how to determine the correct length for the headsail foil and the head stay. As I recall, I had a new head stay built vs trying to recycle the OEM head stay. There is no difference between stepping the mast with the OEM furler and the Harken furler. When the mast is down in the trailering position, the Harken furling drum protrudes past the bottom of the mast by a couple of feet. I always felt it was bad practice to drive down the road with the weight of the furling drum, control line, and lower swivel cantilevered on the headsail foil. So, I built a furling drum support out of a piece of 1-1/2? PVC pipe. The PVC pipe shoves into the mast and the furling drum is Velcro strapped to the pipe. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 13, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Mark Whipple wrote: > > ?Roger, > > I have a Harken furler that came off another boat, I think it's a unit 0. > The foil had issues with one or more joints but since it was off a 30' > boat, the furler can/will be shortened anyway. A few questions: > > 1. Did you have to make any adjustments when you switched to the Harken? I > have a CDI furler now and I know you said your first one was the OEM > version. 2. With your current furler, you have a halyard running up the > mast which has to attach to the upper swivel below where the foil connects > to the mast, correct? > 3. Do you have to do anything different to step/unstep the mast than with > the previous furler? I know it was a few years ago when you made that > change. > > I'd love to have the ability to more easily change headsails during the > season or to remove the jib at the end of the season. Any thoughts you have > are appreciated. > > Thanks, > Mark > > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 12:19 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >> >> David, >> >> I changed the OEM furler to a Harken Unit 0. This roller furler has upper >> and lower swivels so that the genoa can make effective use of a foam luff >> pad for better furled sail shape over a wider dynamic range. The luff foil >> is made by joining several extruded aluminum alloy sections vs one piece. >> I like this system because damaged sections can be replaced. Harken makes >> extensive use of Torlon ball bearings on both the upper and lower swivels. >> Even after 30 seasons of use, my furler still spins as easily as a bicycle >> wheel. It has never malfunctioned even once in all those years. >> >> If you are going to go to the trouble and expense of upgrading your roller >> furler, get a quality unit. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> From ric at stottarchitecture.com Sat Nov 14 15:21:46 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 15:21:46 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Cory The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up from mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is a Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom to top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. Ric Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the trigger > on getting a recycled one from Stan. > >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: >> >> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That system >> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my 86. >> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all electrical >> controls. >> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? >> Cary >> >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn wrote: >>> >>> Gary, >>> >>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will help. >>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. Good >>> luck! >>> >>> Lee >>> No Boat Yet >>> Claytor Lake, VA >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was >>>> apparently hit >>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage >>> most >>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the >> old >>>> parts. >>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea >>> what >>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. >>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat >>> from >>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can >> now >>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same >> set >>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he no >>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must >> rely >>> on >>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. >>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three >> 1/4 >>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared >>> into >>>> two pieces. >>>> >>>> Thanks for your help, >>>> Cary Tolbert >>>> S/V Whisper "86 >>>> Radford, VA >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 1770484 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 1804873 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 1845462 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg >>>> >>> >> From retiredtoby at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 16:07:11 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 16:07:11 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same mount. The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the dimensions that would put me in business. While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. Does anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant on a track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. Cary Whisper On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott wrote: > Cory > The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up from > mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is a > Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom to > top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. > Ric > Dadventure > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > > > ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the > trigger > > on getting a recycled one from Stan. > > > >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > >> > >> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That > system > >> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my 86. > >> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all > electrical > >> controls. > >> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? > >> Cary > >> > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn wrote: > >>> > >>> Gary, > >>> > >>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will help. > >>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. Good > >>> luck! > >>> > >>> Lee > >>> No Boat Yet > >>> Claytor Lake, VA > >>> > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > >>>> apparently hit > >>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage > >>> most > >>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the > >> old > >>>> parts. > >>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea > >>> what > >>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > >>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat > >>> from > >>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can > >> now > >>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same > >> set > >>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he > no > >>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must > >> rely > >>> on > >>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > >>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three > >> 1/4 > >>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared > >>> into > >>>> two pieces. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for your help, > >>>> Cary Tolbert > >>>> S/V Whisper "86 > >>>> Radford, VA > >>>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 1770484 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: < > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > >>>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 1804873 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: < > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > >>>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 1845462 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: < > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > >>>> > >>> > >> > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Nov 14 17:22:35 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 16:22:35 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mine looks like this if it helps! On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 3:07 PM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same mount. > The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the > dimensions that would put me in business. > > While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. Does > anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant on a > track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. > Cary > Whisper > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > Cory > > The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up from > > mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is a > > Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom to > > top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. > > Ric > > Dadventure > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > > > > > ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the > > trigger > > > on getting a recycled one from Stan. > > > > > >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That > > system > > >> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my 86. > > >> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all > > electrical > > >> controls. > > >> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? > > >> Cary > > >> > > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Gary, > > >>> > > >>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will > help. > > >>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. > Good > > >>> luck! > > >>> > > >>> Lee > > >>> No Boat Yet > > >>> Claytor Lake, VA > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert > > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > > >>>> apparently hit > > >>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to > salvage > > >>> most > > >>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of > the > > >> old > > >>>> parts. > > >>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no > idea > > >>> what > > >>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > > >>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any > boat > > >>> from > > >>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you > can > > >> now > > >>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the > same > > >> set > > >>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he > > no > > >>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must > > >> rely > > >>> on > > >>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > > >>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three > > >> 1/4 > > >>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was > sheared > > >>> into > > >>>> two pieces. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks for your help, > > >>>> Cary Tolbert > > >>>> S/V Whisper "86 > > >>>> Radford, VA > > >>>> > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 1770484 bytes > > >>> Desc: not available > > >>> URL: < > > >>> > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > > >>>> > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 1804873 bytes > > >>> Desc: not available > > >>> URL: < > > >>> > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > > >>>> > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 1845462 bytes > > >>> Desc: not available > > >>> URL: < > > >>> > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200911_085223.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3731986 bytes Desc: not available URL: From retiredtoby at gmail.com Sat Nov 14 17:30:11 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:30:11 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, I wish I had such a nice lift. My lift is from the dark age. But the design has worked for 34 years or more. The material unfortunely does not. Thank for the input Cary S/V Whisper On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 5:22 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Mine looks like this if it helps! > > > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 3:07 PM Cary Tolbert wrote: > > > Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same mount. > > The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the > > dimensions that would put me in business. > > > > While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. Does > > anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant on a > > track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. > > Cary > > Whisper > > > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott > > wrote: > > > > > Cory > > > The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up from > > > mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is a > > > Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom > to > > > top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. > > > Ric > > > Dadventure > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > > > > > > > ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the > > > trigger > > > > on getting a recycled one from Stan. > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That > > > system > > > >> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my 86. > > > >> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all > > > electrical > > > >> controls. > > > >> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? > > > >> Cary > > > >> > > > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Gary, > > > >>> > > > >>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will > > help. > > > >>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. > > Good > > > >>> luck! > > > >>> > > > >>> Lee > > > >>> No Boat Yet > > > >>> Claytor Lake, VA > > > >>> > > > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert < > retiredtoby at gmail.com > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > > > >>>> apparently hit > > > >>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to > > salvage > > > >>> most > > > >>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of > > the > > > >> old > > > >>>> parts. > > > >>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no > > idea > > > >>> what > > > >>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very > helpful. > > > >>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any > > boat > > > >>> from > > > >>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you > > can > > > >> now > > > >>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the > > same > > > >> set > > > >>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, > he > > > no > > > >>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I > must > > > >> rely > > > >>> on > > > >>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > > > >>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three > > > >> 1/4 > > > >>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was > > sheared > > > >>> into > > > >>>> two pieces. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanks for your help, > > > >>>> Cary Tolbert > > > >>>> S/V Whisper "86 > > > >>>> Radford, VA > > > >>>> > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 1770484 bytes > > > >>> Desc: not available > > > >>> URL: < > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > > > >>>> > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 1804873 bytes > > > >>> Desc: not available > > > >>> URL: < > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > > > >>>> > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 1845462 bytes > > > >>> Desc: not available > > > >>> URL: < > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200911_085223.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3731986 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/6e47d370/attachment.jpg > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Nov 14 18:32:50 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2020 17:32:50 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well off your dabbing something up, maybe the new design integrates with the old. Just thought it might help you out., Sounds it might have. Cheers On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 4:30 PM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Tom, I wish I had such a nice lift. My lift is from the dark age. But the > design has worked for 34 years or more. The material unfortunely does not. > Thank for the input > Cary > S/V Whisper > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 5:22 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > Mine looks like this if it helps! > > > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 3:07 PM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > > > > > Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same > mount. > > > The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the > > > dimensions that would put me in business. > > > > > > While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. Does > > > anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant on > a > > > track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. > > > Cary > > > Whisper > > > > > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Cory > > > > The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up > from > > > > mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is > a > > > > Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom > > to > > > > top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. > > > > Ric > > > > Dadventure > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the > > > > trigger > > > > > on getting a recycled one from Stan. > > > > > > > > > >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert < > retiredtoby at gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. > That > > > > system > > > > >> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my > 86. > > > > >> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all > > > > electrical > > > > >> controls. > > > > >> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? > > > > >> Cary > > > > >> > > > > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn > > wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Gary, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will > > > help. > > > > >>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. > > > Good > > > > >>> luck! > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Lee > > > > >>> No Boat Yet > > > > >>> Claytor Lake, VA > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert < > > retiredtoby at gmail.com > > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > > > > >>>> apparently hit > > > > >>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to > > > salvage > > > > >>> most > > > > >>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns > of > > > the > > > > >> old > > > > >>>> parts. > > > > >>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have > no > > > idea > > > > >>> what > > > > >>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very > > helpful. > > > > >>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any > > > boat > > > > >>> from > > > > >>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad > you > > > can > > > > >> now > > > > >>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the > > > same > > > > >> set > > > > >>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan > said, > > he > > > > no > > > > >>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I > > must > > > > >> rely > > > > >>> on > > > > >>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > > > > >>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found > three > > > > >> 1/4 > > > > >>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was > > > sheared > > > > >>> into > > > > >>>> two pieces. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Thanks for your help, > > > > >>>> Cary Tolbert > > > > >>>> S/V Whisper "86 > > > > >>>> Radford, VA > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > > >>> Size: 1770484 bytes > > > > >>> Desc: not available > > > > >>> URL: < > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > > >>> Size: 1804873 bytes > > > > >>> Desc: not available > > > > >>> URL: < > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > > >>> Size: 1845462 bytes > > > > >>> Desc: not available > > > > >>> URL: < > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200911_085223.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 3731986 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/6e47d370/attachment.jpg > > > > > > From cjkellygirls at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 08:55:56 2020 From: cjkellygirls at gmail.com (Ckelly) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 06:55:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing into the wind Message-ID: <1605448556843-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I have a Rhoades 22 and have been having trouble when trying to sail close into the wind. The sail is full but instead of the boat going in the direction I want it to go, often the boat is pushed sideways, or "lee helm" away from the wind. Is this poor design of the boat or some other issue that has to do with adjusting the stays/mast/etc? I have read that it can be due to the mast being too far forward or it can be due to the design of the boat. Close hauled and tacking is very difficult when wind is 10mph + and I have been having to motor. Anyone else have this experience or suggestions to correct? -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Sun Nov 15 09:26:56 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 09:26:56 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing into the wind In-Reply-To: <1605448556843-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605448556843-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: ?It?s a question of Balance? and takes practice in tuning, sail trim and centerboard positions. I?ve found that my Rhodes sails can?t be trimmed as flat as the C&C 35 that I?ve been racing for 35 years. But that boat weighs twice as much and has a 7? keel. Getting close hauled in the Rhodes for me - takes a lot of careful control. But when things are right, the boat sails to weather very well. Ric Dadventure. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Ckelly wrote: > > ?I have a Rhoades 22 and have been having trouble when trying to sail close > into the wind. The sail is full but instead of the boat going in the > direction I want it to go, often the boat is pushed sideways, or "lee helm" > away from the wind. Is this poor design of the boat or some other issue > that has to do with adjusting the stays/mast/etc? I have read that it can > be due to the mast being too far forward or it can be due to the design of > the boat. Close hauled and tacking is very difficult when wind is 10mph + > and I have been having to motor. Anyone else have this experience or > suggestions to correct? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 09:59:17 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 09:59:17 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing into the wind In-Reply-To: <1605448556843-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605448556843-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: What kind of rig and center board do you have? Rick Lange On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 8:55 AM Ckelly wrote: > I have a Rhoades 22 and have been having trouble when trying to sail close > into the wind. The sail is full but instead of the boat going in the > direction I want it to go, often the boat is pushed sideways, or "lee helm" > away from the wind. Is this poor design of the boat or some other issue > that has to do with adjusting the stays/mast/etc? I have read that it can > be due to the mast being too far forward or it can be due to the design of > the boat. Close hauled and tacking is very difficult when wind is 10mph + > and I have been having to motor. Anyone else have this experience or > suggestions to correct? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From mark at whipplefamily.com Sun Nov 15 10:04:15 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 10:04:15 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Harken furler In-Reply-To: References: <10016ED0-2BFC-4698-9900-ABEED869B033@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Hi Roger, Thanks for your note. The furler was on my Nimble 30 when I bought her about 9 years ago, but I did find one on the Internet. I'm probably going to have a rigger I know configure it for me. Thanks for confirming what I thought about the configuration of the halyard at the top of the mast. It's also good to know that stepping and unstepping the mast doesn't present any new challenges. I'll post again if/when I get the Harken installed. Thanks, Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 1:24 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Mark, > > Hopefully, you received the Harken instruction manual when you bought your > furler. If not, I think I still have mine and can make you a copy. There > is some fairly critical geometry that must be satisfied regarding the angle > the halyard makes from the top swivel to the turning block on the masthead > when the top swivel is in the sail hoisted position. > > Yes there is a separate halyard for the headsail. Yes you can hoist and > lower the headsail underway. > > Inspect the headsail foil. The critical things are that it is not bent > and the luff groove is smooth at each of the joints. Minor bends can be > straightened. Minor roughness can be smoothed out with a file &/or Emory > cloth. Otherwise, the section of headsail foil will have to replaced. > > The manual will explain how to determine the correct length for the > headsail foil and the head stay. As I recall, I had a new head stay built > vs trying to recycle the OEM head stay. > > There is no difference between stepping the mast with the OEM furler and > the Harken furler. When the mast is down in the trailering position, the > Harken furling drum protrudes past the bottom of the mast by a couple of > feet. I always felt it was bad practice to drive down the road with the > weight of the furling drum, control line, and lower swivel cantilevered on > the headsail foil. So, I built a furling drum support out of a piece of > 1-1/2? PVC pipe. The PVC pipe shoves into the mast and the furling drum is > Velcro strapped to the pipe. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 13, 2020, at 5:58 PM, Mark Whipple > wrote: > > > > ?Roger, > > > > I have a Harken furler that came off another boat, I think it's a unit 0. > > The foil had issues with one or more joints but since it was off a 30' > > boat, the furler can/will be shortened anyway. A few questions: > > > > 1. Did you have to make any adjustments when you switched to the Harken? > I > > have a CDI furler now and I know you said your first one was the OEM > > version. 2. With your current furler, you have a halyard running up the > > mast which has to attach to the upper swivel below where the foil > connects > > to the mast, correct? > > 3. Do you have to do anything different to step/unstep the mast than with > > the previous furler? I know it was a few years ago when you made that > > change. > > > > I'd love to have the ability to more easily change headsails during the > > season or to remove the jib at the end of the season. Any thoughts you > have > > are appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > Mark > > > > Boston, MA > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 12:19 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >> > >> David, > >> > >> I changed the OEM furler to a Harken Unit 0. This roller furler has > upper > >> and lower swivels so that the genoa can make effective use of a foam > luff > >> pad for better furled sail shape over a wider dynamic range. The luff > foil > >> is made by joining several extruded aluminum alloy sections vs one > piece. > >> I like this system because damaged sections can be replaced. Harken > makes > >> extensive use of Torlon ball bearings on both the upper and lower > swivels. > >> Even after 30 seasons of use, my furler still spins as easily as a > bicycle > >> wheel. It has never malfunctioned even once in all those years. > >> > >> If you are going to go to the trouble and expense of upgrading your > roller > >> furler, get a quality unit. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> > >> > From mark at whipplefamily.com Sun Nov 15 10:10:32 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 10:10:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sail Data In-Reply-To: <1227642648.3154802.1605312400477@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1227642648.3154802.1605312400477@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Don, I've done business with Sailrite for years, and I agree they are great. One of my machines is a Sailrite, and the other two are commercial sewing machines that have the Sailrite MCR motors installed. The MCR system makes a commercial machine much easier to control for an amateur like me. I appreciate the larger under-arm space and knee-operated foot lift on those machines. I also built a sail cover from a Sailrite kit along with a number of other projects. One is a cover for my 30' boat that may actually get done some day. Tell me about the bimini you created - was it a custom kit from Sailrite? That's another project I'd like to tackle some day. Thanks, Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 7:06 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Mark, > Once you have completed this sail, I would be very interested to hear > about your experience with it. This includes both the construction and > performance of it. I originally sewed a Sailrite mainsail cover for our > first Rhodes in 1981. A few years ago I purchased a Sailrite sewing > machine and have used it for all kinds of things including a bimini for our > Rhodes. I have been thinking about sewing a 130% genoa since I have both a > working jib and a 175% that came with our boat. I have also been thinking > about sewing a new mainsail. > I have found Sailrite to be a wonderful company to deal with and I love > the sewing machine. > Don Simons Ithaca, NY > On Friday, November 13, 2020, 05:45:46 PM EST, Mark Whipple < > mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote: > > Based on some comments about sail size on this list I'm thinking of > ordering a kit for a 130% genoa from Sailrite. (I have several sewing > machines and enough experience to be dangerous. ?) FWIW I currently have a > self-tending jib on a Hoyt boom that may actually be less than 100%. > There's also a 175% that came with the boat but I don't love tacking big > sails, especially after hearing about the experiences of others. > > Can anyone tell me if these measurements are correct? I know I probably > should measure the I and J myself but the mast is down and the boat's > covered, etc. > > These are from the Sailrite site, who claims the data came from Harken or > Lithicum(?). The only thing on sailboatdata.com is the Rhodes 22 > Continental (which credits "Sam" Spitzer, BTW). > > I - 25 feet > J - 9 feet > P - 22 feet > E - 9 feet > (not that P or E matter for a genny). > > Thanks for any input. > > Mark > > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Sun Nov 15 10:19:21 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 10:19:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing into the wind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BDE6352-78B1-4C5D-ABD8-6CE31AFE1DBA@stottarchitecture.com> I Me? Dadventure is an ?84 Continental with the original, vulnerable, but newly rebuilt full swing center board. My main is 15 years old and the 175 jib is original equipment on a primitive roller furling GB system. It works well if you can keep the furling line from jumping the drum. We used the boat a lot this summer and I got my wife to come with me if I promised to stop fir dinner at a local restaurant with a dock. Her healing limit is 5 degrees before panic sets in So - Otherwise I single hand sail when I really want to go sailing. Tacking is sometimes a challenge but that too gets easier with practice and attention to the sails. I want to upgrade the furler and have headsail options, but to be honest, the 175 is a great sail and unless I have to go to weather or the wind is very light, I leave the mainsail in its cover, especially when ms. Don?t heal the boat is onboard. Ric Dadventure. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Rick Lange wrote: > ?What kind of rig and center board do you have? > > Rick Lange > >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 8:55 AM Ckelly wrote: >> >> I have a Rhoades 22 and have been having trouble when trying to sail close >> into the wind. The sail is full but instead of the boat going in the >> direction I want it to go, often the boat is pushed sideways, or "lee helm" >> away from the wind. Is this poor design of the boat or some other issue >> that has to do with adjusting the stays/mast/etc? I have read that it can >> be due to the mast being too far forward or it can be due to the design of >> the boat. Close hauled and tacking is very difficult when wind is 10mph + >> and I have been having to motor. Anyone else have this experience or >> suggestions to correct? >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From melrothbard at yahoo.com Sun Nov 15 10:27:52 2020 From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 15:27:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing into the wind In-Reply-To: <0BDE6352-78B1-4C5D-ABD8-6CE31AFE1DBA@stottarchitecture.com> References: <0BDE6352-78B1-4C5D-ABD8-6CE31AFE1DBA@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <1389915390.5675619.1605454072024@mail.yahoo.com> I have found that using Stan's new traveler has made a big difference in hugging the wind. MelPaper Clipper? Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258. On Sunday, November 15, 2020, 10:19:26 AM EST, Ric Stott wrote: I Me? Dadventure is an ?84 Continental with the original, vulnerable, but newly rebuilt full swing center board. My main is 15 years old and the 175 jib is original equipment on a primitive roller furling GB system. It works well if you can keep the furling line from jumping the drum. We used the boat a lot this summer and I got my wife to come with me if I promised to stop fir dinner at a local restaurant with a dock. Her healing limit is 5 degrees before panic sets in? So - Otherwise I single hand sail when I really want to go sailing. Tacking is sometimes a challenge but that too gets easier with practice and attention to the sails. I want to upgrade the furler and have headsail options, but to be honest, the 175 is a great sail and unless I have to go to weather or the wind is very light, I leave the mainsail in its cover, especially when ms. Don?t heal the boat is onboard. Ric Dadventure. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Rick Lange wrote: > ?What kind of rig and center board do you have? > > Rick Lange > >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 8:55 AM Ckelly wrote: >> >> I have a Rhoades 22 and have been having trouble when trying to sail close >> into the wind.? The sail is full but instead of the boat going in the >> direction I want it to go, often the boat is pushed sideways, or "lee helm" >> away from the wind.? Is this poor design of the boat or some other issue >> that has to do with adjusting the stays/mast/etc?? I have read that it can >> be due to the mast being too far forward or it can be due to the design of >> the boat.? Close hauled and tacking is very difficult when wind is 10mph + >> and I have been having to motor.? Anyone else have this experience or >> suggestions to correct? >> >> >> >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 11:18:54 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 09:18:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing into the wind In-Reply-To: <1605448556843-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605448556843-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1605457134234-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Ckelly, All of Ric's points are good, including those about the C&C35. It helps to run your Genoa sheets across your cabintop, between the mast and inside shrouds. You want the wind to be hitting your Genoa and mainsail at the same angle (balanced) and you want both sails flat not full. The closer you can pull your sails to the centerline the better, and you can't get the Genoa very close if it's outside the outer shroud. In a 10+ wind you will be heeling. I found if I heeled more than 20 degrees it usually slowed me down. You'll want your centerboard down although you can sail surprisingly close to the wind with it up. With the board down it definitely helps to keep you from drifting downwind, which you probably don't want if you're trying to sail upwind. If you search the archives under "Leland chop" you'll find a post entitled Test (Excel Spreadsheet) from 9-14-2007. I reached those statistics through luck not skill, especially the speed into chop. As for lee/weather helm the "experts" say you want your tiller about 3 degrees into the wind to prevent your boat from falling off the wind. On a light boat like the Rhodes you'll need a steady wind, your sails balanced, and no shift in human ballast (ride that baby like a surfboard). Boat_without_Captain.jpg Ric: Here are some pictures of my friend's C&C35. Even when I felt like I was sailing at maximal speed he would blow by me. C&C.jpg C&C_Reuben.jpg Lee Waiting on a Recycled from Stan Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Sun Nov 15 11:21:39 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 11:21:39 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing into the wind In-Reply-To: <1389915390.5675619.1605454072024@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1389915390.5675619.1605454072024@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4D1F00D7-76E6-4670-8634-0F2145DD1AE8@stottarchitecture.com> Yep I forgot to mention I have Stan?s traveller as well. I like that it does what it?s intended to do. The cons are: 1. It?s awkward to adjust, a knuckle buster till you learn what not to do. It allows one to center the boom. Pared with a boom bang, it allows me to get a sail shape that works much better on a beat and avoids the side slipping, ?lee helm? as it was described. It?s takes to much time and attention to adjust it though. 2. It?s in the way of operations the motor and of using the swim ladder. The good news is that you can pull the pin and swing it out of the way, or pull them both and remove it. I usually leave a lanyard tied to the port hand rail at the bulkhead, and tie the end of the traveler with it. It forms a sort of extension of the life line and it?s out of the way. If I have cockpit dinner guests or I?m working in the cockpit, I take it iff and clip the main sheet to a lanyard on the stern rail Ric Dadventure. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2020, at 10:27 AM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?I have found that using Stan's new traveler has made a big difference in hugging the wind. > MelPaper Clipper > Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258. > > On Sunday, November 15, 2020, 10:19:26 AM EST, Ric Stott wrote: > > I Me? > Dadventure is an ?84 Continental with the original, vulnerable, but newly rebuilt full swing center board. > My main is 15 years old and the 175 jib is original equipment on a primitive roller furling GB system. It works well if you can keep the furling line from jumping the drum. > We used the boat a lot this summer and I got my wife to come with me if I promised to stop fir dinner at a local restaurant with a dock. Her healing limit is 5 degrees before panic sets in So - Otherwise I single hand sail when I really want to go sailing. Tacking is sometimes a challenge but that too gets easier with practice and attention to the sails. I want to upgrade the furler and have headsail options, but to be honest, the 175 is a great sail and unless I have to go to weather or the wind is very light, I leave the mainsail in its cover, especially when ms. Don?t heal the boat is onboard. > Ric > Dadventure. > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 15, 2020, at 9:59 AM, Rick Lange wrote: >> ?What kind of rig and center board do you have? >> >> Rick Lange >> >>>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 8:55 AM Ckelly wrote: >>> >>> I have a Rhoades 22 and have been having trouble when trying to sail close >>> into the wind. The sail is full but instead of the boat going in the >>> direction I want it to go, often the boat is pushed sideways, or "lee helm" >>> away from the wind. Is this poor design of the boat or some other issue >>> that has to do with adjusting the stays/mast/etc? I have read that it can >>> be due to the mast being too far forward or it can be due to the design of >>> the boat. Close hauled and tacking is very difficult when wind is 10mph + >>> and I have been having to motor. Anyone else have this experience or >>> suggestions to correct? >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 11:22:48 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 09:22:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing into the wind In-Reply-To: <1605457134234-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605448556843-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1605457134234-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1605457368367-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Oops. Trying to use a Chromebook. Let's try posting those pictures again. Boat_without_Captain.jpg C&C.jpg C&C_Reuben.jpg Lee -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Nov 16 08:32:20 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 13:32:20 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Cary, I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any grease would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. I think a spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want to use. - Rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Cary Tolbert Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same mount. The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the dimensions that would put me in business. While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. Does anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant on a track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. Cary Whisper On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott wrote: > Cory > The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up from > mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is a > Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom to > top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. > Ric > Dadventure > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > > > ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the > trigger > > on getting a recycled one from Stan. > > > >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > >> > >> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That > system > >> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my 86. > >> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all > electrical > >> controls. > >> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? > >> Cary > >> > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn wrote: > >>> > >>> Gary, > >>> > >>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will help. > >>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. Good > >>> luck! > >>> > >>> Lee > >>> No Boat Yet > >>> Claytor Lake, VA > >>> > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > >>>> apparently hit > >>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage > >>> most > >>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the > >> old > >>>> parts. > >>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea > >>> what > >>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > >>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat > >>> from > >>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can > >> now > >>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same > >> set > >>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he > no > >>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must > >> rely > >>> on > >>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > >>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three > >> 1/4 > >>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared > >>> into > >>>> two pieces. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks for your help, > >>>> Cary Tolbert > >>>> S/V Whisper "86 > >>>> Radford, VA > >>>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 1770484 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: < > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > >>>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 1804873 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: < > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > >>>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 1845462 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: < > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > >>>> > >>> > >> > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Mon Nov 16 09:48:04 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 09:48:04 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Rob There is a good reason for asking questions. The more brains the better. On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Cary, > I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any grease > would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. I think a > spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want to use. - > Rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Cary Tolbert > Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount > > Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same mount. > The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the > dimensions that would put me in business. > > While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. Does > anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant on a > track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. > Cary > Whisper > > On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > Cory > > The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up from > > mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is a > > Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom to > > top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. > > Ric > > Dadventure > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > > > > > ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the > > trigger > > > on getting a recycled one from Stan. > > > > > >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That > > system > > >> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my 86. > > >> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all > > electrical > > >> controls. > > >> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? > > >> Cary > > >> > > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Gary, > > >>> > > >>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will > help. > > >>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. > Good > > >>> luck! > > >>> > > >>> Lee > > >>> No Boat Yet > > >>> Claytor Lake, VA > > >>> > > >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert > > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > > >>>> apparently hit > > >>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to > salvage > > >>> most > > >>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of > the > > >> old > > >>>> parts. > > >>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no > idea > > >>> what > > >>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > > >>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any > boat > > >>> from > > >>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you > can > > >> now > > >>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the > same > > >> set > > >>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he > > no > > >>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must > > >> rely > > >>> on > > >>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > > >>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three > > >> 1/4 > > >>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was > sheared > > >>> into > > >>>> two pieces. > > >>>> > > >>>> Thanks for your help, > > >>>> Cary Tolbert > > >>>> S/V Whisper "86 > > >>>> Radford, VA > > >>>> > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 1770484 bytes > > >>> Desc: not available > > >>> URL: < > > >>> > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > > >>>> > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 1804873 bytes > > >>> Desc: not available > > >>> URL: < > > >>> > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > > >>>> > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 1845462 bytes > > >>> Desc: not available > > >>> URL: < > > >>> > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > > >>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Nov 16 10:11:18 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2020 10:11:18 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <048D2C48-BFC6-459E-867F-54E307110BD2@stottarchitecture.com> Nabble is a PITA Here are some pics. Westmarine mount is temporary. The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8? apart - out to out. My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail. But -They will not extend past the top of the transom. It will be manual. The stops are simple 1/4? aluminum bolts at the bottom of the rails. More to follow Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > Thanks Rob > There is a good reason for asking questions. The more brains the better. > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > >> Cary, >> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any grease >> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. I think a >> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want to use. - >> Rob >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of >> Cary Tolbert >> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount >> >> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same mount. >> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the >> dimensions that would put me in business. >> >> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. Does >> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant on a >> track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. >> Cary >> Whisper >> >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott >> wrote: >> >>> Cory >>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up from >>> mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is a >>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom to >>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. >>> Ric >>> Dadventure >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: >>>> >>>> ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the >>> trigger >>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan. >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That >>> system >>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my 86. >>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all >>> electrical >>>>> controls. >>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? >>>>> Cary >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary, >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will >> help. >>>>>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. >> Good >>>>>> luck! >>>>>> >>>>>> Lee >>>>>> No Boat Yet >>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert >> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was >>>>>>> apparently hit >>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to >> salvage >>>>>> most >>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of >> the >>>>> old >>>>>>> parts. >>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no >> idea >>>>>> what >>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. >>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any >> boat >>>>>> from >>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you >> can >>>>> now >>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the >> same >>>>> set >>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he >>> no >>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must >>>>> rely >>>>>> on >>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. >>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three >>>>> 1/4 >>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was >> sheared >>>>>> into >>>>>>> two pieces. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your help, >>>>>>> Cary Tolbert >>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86 >>>>>>> Radford, VA >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 1770484 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: < >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 1804873 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: < >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 1845462 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: < >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> From stevenalm at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 08:56:39 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 07:56:39 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: <048D2C48-BFC6-459E-867F-54E307110BD2@stottarchitecture.com> References: <048D2C48-BFC6-459E-867F-54E307110BD2@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: My boat is a 1990 but probably similar vintage motor lift. The stopper is only on the starboard side track with is longer than the port side. It is not through-bolted to the transom and just unscrews. The bolt is covered with a plastic or composite bushing. On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM Richard Stott wrote: > Nabble is a PITA > Here are some pics. > Westmarine mount is temporary. > The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8? apart - out to out. > My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail. > But -They will not extend past the top of the transom. > It will be manual. > The stops are simple 1/4? aluminum bolts at the bottom of the rails. > More to follow > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > > > Thanks Rob > > There is a good reason for asking questions. The more brains the better. > > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > >> Cary, > >> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any grease > >> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. I think a > >> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want to > use. - > >> Rob > >> > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > >> Cary Tolbert > >> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount > >> > >> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same mount. > >> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the > >> dimensions that would put me in business. > >> > >> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. Does > >> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant on a > >> track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. > >> Cary > >> Whisper > >> > >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Cory > >>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up from > >>> mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is a > >>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom > to > >>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. > >>> Ric > >>> Dadventure > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the > >>> trigger > >>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan. > >>>> > >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert > >>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That > >>> system > >>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my 86. > >>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all > >>> electrical > >>>>> controls. > >>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? > >>>>> Cary > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn > wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Gary, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will > >> help. > >>>>>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. > >> Good > >>>>>> luck! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Lee > >>>>>> No Boat Yet > >>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert < > retiredtoby at gmail.com > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > >>>>>>> apparently hit > >>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to > >> salvage > >>>>>> most > >>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of > >> the > >>>>> old > >>>>>>> parts. > >>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no > >> idea > >>>>>> what > >>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > >>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any > >> boat > >>>>>> from > >>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you > >> can > >>>>> now > >>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the > >> same > >>>>> set > >>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, > he > >>> no > >>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must > >>>>> rely > >>>>>> on > >>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > >>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three > >>>>> 1/4 > >>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was > >> sheared > >>>>>> into > >>>>>>> two pieces. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks for your help, > >>>>>>> Cary Tolbert > >>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86 > >>>>>>> Radford, VA > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 1770484 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 1804873 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 1845462 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>> URL: < > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_0648.jpg Type: image/jpg Size: 1942916 bytes Desc: not available URL: From retiredtoby at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 09:06:21 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 09:06:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <048D2C48-BFC6-459E-867F-54E307110BD2@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Thanks Steven. It does look similar to my tracks. Less secure than I would have thought. Your track looks to be longer than my set up. Thanks again for the help. Cary S/V Whisper On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 8:56 AM Steven Alm wrote: > My boat is a 1990 but probably similar vintage motor lift. The stopper is > only on the starboard side track with is longer than the port side. It is > not through-bolted to the transom and just unscrews. The bolt is covered > with a plastic or composite bushing. > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM Richard Stott > wrote: > > > Nabble is a PITA > > Here are some pics. > > Westmarine mount is temporary. > > The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8? apart - out to out. > > My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail. > > But -They will not extend past the top of the transom. > > It will be manual. > > The stops are simple 1/4? aluminum bolts at the bottom of the rails. > > More to follow > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > Office 631-283-1777 > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Rob > > > There is a good reason for asking questions. The more brains the > better. > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > > >> Cary, > > >> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any grease > > >> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. I > think a > > >> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want to > > use. - > > >> Rob > > >> > > >> > > >> ________________________________ > > >> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > >> Cary Tolbert > > >> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount > > >> > > >> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same > mount. > > >> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the > > >> dimensions that would put me in business. > > >> > > >> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. Does > > >> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant > on a > > >> track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. > > >> Cary > > >> Whisper > > >> > > >> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Cory > > >>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up > from > > >>> mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is > a > > >>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom > > to > > >>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. > > >>> Ric > > >>> Dadventure > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the > > >>> trigger > > >>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan. > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert > > > >>> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That > > >>> system > > >>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my > 86. > > >>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all > > >>> electrical > > >>>>> controls. > > >>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? > > >>>>> Cary > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn > > wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Gary, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will > > >> help. > > >>>>>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. > > >> Good > > >>>>>> luck! > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Lee > > >>>>>> No Boat Yet > > >>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert < > > retiredtoby at gmail.com > > >>> > > >>>>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > > >>>>>>> apparently hit > > >>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to > > >> salvage > > >>>>>> most > > >>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of > > >> the > > >>>>> old > > >>>>>>> parts. > > >>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no > > >> idea > > >>>>>> what > > >>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very > helpful. > > >>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any > > >> boat > > >>>>>> from > > >>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you > > >> can > > >>>>> now > > >>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the > > >> same > > >>>>> set > > >>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, > > he > > >>> no > > >>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I > must > > >>>>> rely > > >>>>>> on > > >>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > > >>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found > three > > >>>>> 1/4 > > >>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was > > >> sheared > > >>>>>> into > > >>>>>>> two pieces. > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>>> Thanks for your help, > > >>>>>>> Cary Tolbert > > >>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86 > > >>>>>>> Radford, VA > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>>>> Size: 1770484 bytes > > >>>>>> Desc: not available > > >>>>>> URL: < > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>>>> Size: 1804873 bytes > > >>>>>> Desc: not available > > >>>>>> URL: < > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>>>> Size: 1845462 bytes > > >>>>>> Desc: not available > > >>>>>> URL: < > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > > >>>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>> > > >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_0648.jpg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 1942916 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/5e697346/attachment.jpg > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Nov 17 10:00:20 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 10:00:20 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <048D2C48-BFC6-459E-867F-54E307110BD2@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Steven I?m glad my pics came through. Yours a looks more like Cary?s than mine. You both have have plastic outside of the U channel. I think mine rails are screwed to the transom using screws from the laz, that is, the inside of the transom - directly into the plastic strips on the inside of my rails. I have a 1/2 plastic running vertical on the inside of each U channel. The StarBoard or whatever that is, decreases the dept of the u channel by 1/2?, so there is only a 1/2? channel to hold the motor on the boat. The mount and transom was very weak in the area and the whole transom flexed - even in the area the rails attached, which hold have stiffened it vertically at least. I like your set up better and will move in that direction. It appears that your Plastic strips are screwed into the transom at like- 3? o.c. The material looks to be about 3/4? x 1? - can you confirm that for me? Are those thru bolts? What is the backing behind the transom? How are the U channels fastened to the Plastic strips on each side? Thanks - that?s alotta questions. Ric Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > Thanks Steven. It does look similar to my tracks. Less secure than I would > have thought. Your track looks to be longer than my set up. > Thanks again for the help. > Cary > S/V Whisper > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 8:56 AM Steven Alm wrote: > >> My boat is a 1990 but probably similar vintage motor lift. The stopper is >> only on the starboard side track with is longer than the port side. It is >> not through-bolted to the transom and just unscrews. The bolt is covered >> with a plastic or composite bushing. >> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM Richard Stott >> wrote: >> >>> Nabble is a PITA >>> Here are some pics. >>> Westmarine mount is temporary. >>> The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8? apart - out to out. >>> My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail. >>> But -They will not extend past the top of the transom. >>> It will be manual. >>> The stops are simple 1/4? aluminum bolts at the bottom of the rails. >>> More to follow >>> >>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>> Office 631-283-1777 >>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks Rob >>>> There is a good reason for asking questions. The more brains the >> better. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: >>>> >>>>> Cary, >>>>> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any grease >>>>> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. I >> think a >>>>> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want to >>> use. - >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of >>>>> Cary Tolbert >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same >> mount. >>>>> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the >>>>> dimensions that would put me in business. >>>>> >>>>> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. Does >>>>> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant >> on a >>>>> track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. >>>>> Cary >>>>> Whisper >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Cory >>>>>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up >> from >>>>>> mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There is >> a >>>>>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, bottom >>> to >>>>>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. >>>>>> Ric >>>>>> Dadventure >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull the >>>>>> trigger >>>>>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert >> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. That >>>>>> system >>>>>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my >> 86. >>>>>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all >>>>>> electrical >>>>>>>> controls. >>>>>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? >>>>>>>> Cary >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn >>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will >>>>> help. >>>>>>>>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might work. >>>>> Good >>>>>>>>> luck! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lee >>>>>>>>> No Boat Yet >>>>>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert < >>> retiredtoby at gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was >>>>>>>>>> apparently hit >>>>>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to >>>>> salvage >>>>>>>>> most >>>>>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of >>>>> the >>>>>>>> old >>>>>>>>>> parts. >>>>>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no >>>>> idea >>>>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very >> helpful. >>>>>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any >>>>> boat >>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you >>>>> can >>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the >>>>> same >>>>>>>> set >>>>>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, >>> he >>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I >> must >>>>>>>> rely >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. >>>>>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found >> three >>>>>>>> 1/4 >>>>>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was >>>>> sheared >>>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>>>> two pieces. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help, >>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert >>>>>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86 >>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>> Size: 1770484 bytes >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>> Size: 1804873 bytes >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>> Size: 1845462 bytes >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_0648.jpg >> Type: image/jpg >> Size: 1942916 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/5e697346/attachment.jpg >>> >> From mitchpadl at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 10:04:06 2020 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 10:04:06 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> Here is a photo of my 1990. Pretty sure it?s original. If it?s the same as yours I could get you dimension. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 89341 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Mitch > On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > ?I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > apparently hit > in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage most > of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the old > parts. > However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea what > I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat from > an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can now > send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same set > up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he no > longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must rely on > your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three 1/4 > inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared into > two pieces. > > Thanks for your help, > Cary Tolbert > S/V Whisper "86 > Radford, VA From retiredtoby at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 11:27:42 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:27:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> References: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mitch, your set up is really close to my system. Dimentions would be great. Looks like I am getting close to a solution I have 1 inch thick King Starboard that I can cut to the size needed. Thanks for the help and the photo. Cary S/V Whisper On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 10:04 AM Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Here is a photo of my 1990. Pretty sure it?s original. If it?s the same as > yours I could get you dimension. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image0.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 89341 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/b043f770/attachment.jpeg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > Mitch > > > On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Cary Tolbert > wrote: > > > > ?I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > > apparently hit > > in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage > most > > of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the old > > parts. > > However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea > what > > I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > > Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat > from > > an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can now > > send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same set > > up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he no > > longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must rely > on > > your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > > It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three 1/4 > > inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared > into > > two pieces. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Cary Tolbert > > S/V Whisper "86 > > Radford, VA > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Nov 17 11:34:18 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 11:34:18 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> References: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <180E8DD5-976D-4561-9DB9-14030A41AC99@stottarchitecture.com> HI Mitch Wow -that?s a whole different thing. It looks like hybrid between Carys and mine. It looks like 1/4 stock over the 1/8? u channel, or ??? Can you define the assembly for me? Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Nov 17, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Mitch Mitchell wrote: > > Here is a photo of my 1990. Pretty sure it?s original. If it?s the same as yours I could get you dimension. > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image0.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 89341 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > > > Mitch > >> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote: >> >> ?I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was >> apparently hit >> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage most >> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the old >> parts. >> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea what >> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. >> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat from >> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can now >> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same set >> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he no >> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must rely on >> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. >> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three 1/4 >> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared into >> two pieces. >> >> Thanks for your help, >> Cary Tolbert >> S/V Whisper "86 >> Radford, VA From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Nov 17 13:34:20 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 18:34:20 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Message-ID: Anyone out there using a Honda Ridgeline to two with? Time to replace my tow vehicle and I'm looking at the Ridgelines. Any feedback if you do? Thanks - Rob From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Nov 17 16:15:43 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:15:43 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Any feedback? I hate the look of the new one. A friend had the old one and I see a neighbor tow a 7000# gvwr tailer with never complaining. I'd personally like the 2019+ Ram. On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 12:34 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Anyone out there using a Honda Ridgeline to two with? Time to replace my > tow vehicle and I'm looking at the Ridgelines. Any feedback if you do? > Thanks - Rob > > From mitchpadl at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 17:42:27 2020 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 17:42:27 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: <180E8DD5-976D-4561-9DB9-14030A41AC99@stottarchitecture.com> References: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> <180E8DD5-976D-4561-9DB9-14030A41AC99@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Hopefully these photos with dimensions will post. Let me know what other info you need. *Captain Mitch Mitchell* * ACA Open Water Instructor Trainer ACA Level 2 SUP Instructor Trainer* *http://coastalkayak.com* *Mailto:Mitch at CoastalKayak.com* * 302-539-7999* On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:34 AM Ric Stott wrote: > HI Mitch > Wow -that?s a whole different thing. > It looks like hybrid between Carys and mine. > It looks like 1/4 stock over the 1/8? u channel, or ??? > Can you define the assembly for me? > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > > > > Here is a photo of my 1990. Pretty sure it?s original. If it?s the same > as yours I could get you dimension. > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: image0.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 89341 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/b043f770/attachment.jpeg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > Mitch > > > >> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Cary Tolbert > wrote: > >> > >> ?I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > >> apparently hit > >> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage > most > >> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the > old > >> parts. > >> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea > what > >> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > >> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat > from > >> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can > now > >> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same > set > >> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he no > >> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must > rely on > >> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > >> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three 1/4 > >> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared > into > >> two pieces. > >> > >> Thanks for your help, > >> Cary Tolbert > >> S/V Whisper "86 > >> Radford, VA > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: motor_lift3.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 238505 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: motor_lift1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 421618 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor_lift2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 247393 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Nov 17 19:10:56 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 19:10:56 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer In-Reply-To: <180E8DD5-976D-4561-9DB9-14030A41AC99@stottarchitecture.com> References: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> <180E8DD5-976D-4561-9DB9-14030A41AC99@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <01b201d6bd3f$4b131760$e1394620$@ca> A few months back there was a discussion about halyard mast-step organizers and whether one needed to go to a machine shop to remove one of the tabs. I had already bought an organizer with the extra tab at the front and did not fancy paying as much to have the ta cut off as the item cost in the first place. Today I set about to see if I could cut it off with my home tools. As it turned out it was pretty easy. I used my cordless Ryobi reciprocating saw (20V) with a fresh metal cutting blade and had no trouble cutting off the tab. I then dressed the edge with my bench grinder and finished it off with a hand file. Given that the stainless steel was 1/8" thick I was surprised that it went so easily. Maybe the steel was poor quality. For what it is worth... Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Nov 17 19:34:13 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 19:34:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01b901d6bd42$8b7f3830$a27da890$@ca> I might be wrong but my understanding is that the Honda Pilot and the Rigeline are essentially the same vehicle except for the body shape.. I use the pilot but have towed the boat only a few miles to the launch ramp and back once a year. I think there are a lot more Pilots out there so if you ask about that vehicle you might get more responses. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 1:34 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ridgeline Anyone out there using a Honda Ridgeline to two with? Time to replace my tow vehicle and I'm looking at the Ridgelines. Any feedback if you do? Thanks - Rob From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 19:43:38 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 18:43:38 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer In-Reply-To: <01b201d6bd3f$4b131760$e1394620$@ca> References: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> <180E8DD5-976D-4561-9DB9-14030A41AC99@stottarchitecture.com> <01b201d6bd3f$4b131760$e1394620$@ca> Message-ID: Nice work Graham, thanks for sharing. Just curious, how are you planning to use your organizer? I installed mine last week as part of changes or the rigging to emulate some of Peter's setup. Fortunately the one I ordered only had the tabs on port and starboard so I didn't have to cut anything off. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 6:11 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > A few months back there was a discussion about halyard mast-step > organizers and whether one needed to go to a machine shop to remove one of > the tabs. I had already bought an organizer with the extra tab at the front > and did not fancy paying as much to have the ta cut off as the item cost in > the first place. > > Today I set about to see if I could cut it off with my home tools. As it > turned out it was pretty easy. I used my cordless Ryobi reciprocating saw > (20V) with a fresh metal cutting blade and had no trouble cutting off the > tab. I then dressed the edge with my bench grinder and finished it off with > a hand file. Given that the stainless steel was 1/8" thick I was surprised > that it went so easily. Maybe the steel was poor quality. For what it is > worth... > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 19:59:19 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 18:59:19 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> <180E8DD5-976D-4561-9DB9-14030A41AC99@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Mitch, nice detailed photos and measurements. Cary, I attached PDF with some measurements from my 1989 R22 (refurbished in 2013). I'll be down at the boat tomorrow night and can get more measurements if needed. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 4:42 PM Mitch Mitchell wrote: > Hopefully these photos with dimensions will post. Let me know what other > info you need. > > > > > > *Captain Mitch Mitchell* > > > * ACA Open Water Instructor Trainer ACA Level 2 SUP Instructor Trainer* > *http://coastalkayak.com* > *Mailto:Mitch at CoastalKayak.com* > * 302-539-7999* > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:34 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > HI Mitch > > Wow -that?s a whole different thing. > > It looks like hybrid between Carys and mine. > > It looks like 1/4 stock over the 1/8? u channel, or ??? > > Can you define the assembly for me? > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > Office 631-283-1777 > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Mitch Mitchell > > wrote: > > > > > > Here is a photo of my 1990. Pretty sure it?s original. If it?s the same > > as yours I could get you dimension. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: image0.jpeg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 89341 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/b043f770/attachment.jpeg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > > > > Mitch > > > > > >> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Cary Tolbert > > wrote: > > >> > > >> ?I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > > >> apparently hit > > >> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to salvage > > most > > >> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of the > > old > > >> parts. > > >> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no idea > > what > > >> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > > >> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any boat > > from > > >> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you can > > now > > >> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the same > > set > > >> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he > no > > >> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must > > rely on > > >> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > > >> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three > 1/4 > > >> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was sheared > > into > > >> two pieces. > > >> > > >> Thanks for your help, > > >> Cary Tolbert > > >> S/V Whisper "86 > > >> Radford, VA > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: motor_lift3.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 238505 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/c7e2ec1e/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: motor_lift1.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 421618 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/c7e2ec1e/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor_lift2.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 247393 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/c7e2ec1e/attachment-0002.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MotorMountMeasurements.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 335049 bytes Desc: not available URL: From retiredtoby at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 20:08:15 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 20:08:15 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> <180E8DD5-976D-4561-9DB9-14030A41AC99@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Thanks Jesse. My track is a little different. With all of the help and photos from the list members I think I can make a part that should work for my set up. Thanks for your help. Cary On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 7:59 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Mitch, nice detailed photos and measurements. > > Cary, I attached PDF with some measurements from my 1989 R22 (refurbished > in 2013). I'll be down at the boat tomorrow night and can get more > measurements if needed. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 4:42 PM Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > > > Hopefully these photos with dimensions will post. Let me know what other > > info you need. > > > > > > > > > > > > *Captain Mitch Mitchell* > > > > > > * ACA Open Water Instructor Trainer ACA Level 2 SUP Instructor Trainer* > > *http://coastalkayak.com* > > *Mailto:Mitch at CoastalKayak.com* > > * 302-539-7999* > > > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:34 AM Ric Stott > > wrote: > > > > > HI Mitch > > > Wow -that?s a whole different thing. > > > It looks like hybrid between Carys and mine. > > > It looks like 1/4 stock over the 1/8? u channel, or ??? > > > Can you define the assembly for me? > > > > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > > Office 631-283-1777 > > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 17, 2020, at 10:04 AM, Mitch Mitchell > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Here is a photo of my 1990. Pretty sure it?s original. If it?s the > same > > > as yours I could get you dimension. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: image0.jpeg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 89341 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/b043f770/attachment.jpeg > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch > > > > > > > >> On Nov 14, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Cary Tolbert > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> ?I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was > > > >> apparently hit > > > >> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to > salvage > > > most > > > >> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns of > the > > > old > > > >> parts. > > > >> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have no > idea > > > what > > > >> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very helpful. > > > >> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing any > boat > > > from > > > >> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad you > can > > > now > > > >> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have the > same > > > set > > > >> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan said, he > > no > > > >> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I must > > > rely on > > > >> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. > > > >> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found three > > 1/4 > > > >> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was > sheared > > > into > > > >> two pieces. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for your help, > > > >> Cary Tolbert > > > >> S/V Whisper "86 > > > >> Radford, VA > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: motor_lift3.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 238505 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/c7e2ec1e/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: motor_lift1.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 421618 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/c7e2ec1e/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Motor_lift2.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 247393 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/c7e2ec1e/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: MotorMountMeasurements.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 335049 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/b394c419/attachment.pdf > > > From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 21:25:06 2020 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (MichaelM) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2020 19:25:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for Rhodes Message-ID: <1605666306375-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi, I recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and believe it is the right boat for me. I am looking for an excellent specimen available for purchase. Are you aware of such an opportunity? Thank you, Mike -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Wed Nov 18 08:02:29 2020 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 13:02:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for Rhodes In-Reply-To: <1605666306375-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605666306375-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1321263517.6977613.1605704549742@mail.yahoo.com> the general boats plant? has several contact Stan? at?stan at generalboats.com? we love our R22 hope you will also? ?if in eastern North Carolina my boat is still in water can take it for a sail and the plant is near by? can take you to plant and meet Stan? ?Mark West? -----Original Message----- From: MichaelM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Sent: Tue, Nov 17, 2020 9:25 pm Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for Rhodes Hi, I recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and believe it is the right boat for me. I am looking for an excellent specimen available for purchase.? Are you aware of such an opportunity? Thank you, Mike -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ews1esq at yahoo.com Wed Nov 18 10:34:13 2020 From: ews1esq at yahoo.com (Eric Smith) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 10:34:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for Rhodes In-Reply-To: <1605666306375-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605666306375-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <5A47438B-A51B-4468-98BA-FEAAB0DD2C93@yahoo.com> Michael, I have a 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale. It has been ?recycled? through General Boats twice, in 2005 and again in 2016. If you send me your email address, I can provide all info. Send to ews1esq at yahoo.com or call 973 978 7994. Eric Smith Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:25 PM, MichaelM wrote: > > ?Hi, > > I recently discovered the Rhodes 22 and believe it is the right boat for me. > I am looking for an excellent specimen available for purchase. Are you > aware of such an opportunity? > > Thank you, > > Mike > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From stevenalm at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 13:06:49 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:06:49 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <048D2C48-BFC6-459E-867F-54E307110BD2@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric, My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic, Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do. The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull. It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer. (This is my second attempt. First one with three pics was too large, so I'll send separately.) On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:01 PM Steven Alm wrote: > Ric, > My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic, > Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the > transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There > are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the > starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do. > The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the > picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white > strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull. > It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer. > Hope my pics come through: > > "Slim" > Fandango > > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 9:00 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > >> Steven >> I?m glad my pics came through. >> Yours a looks more like Cary?s than mine. >> You both have have plastic outside of the U channel. >> I think mine rails are screwed to the transom using screws from the laz, >> that is, the inside of the transom - directly into the plastic strips on >> the inside of my rails. >> I have a 1/2 plastic running vertical on the inside of each U channel. >> The StarBoard or whatever that is, decreases the dept of the u channel by >> 1/2?, so there is only a 1/2? channel to hold the motor on the boat. >> The mount and transom was very weak in the area and the whole transom >> flexed - even in the area the rails attached, which hold have stiffened it >> vertically at least. >> >> I like your set up better and will move in that direction. >> It appears that your Plastic strips are screwed into the transom at like- >> 3? o.c. >> The material looks to be about 3/4? x 1? - can you confirm that for me? >> Are those thru bolts? >> What is the backing behind the transom? >> How are the U channels fastened to the Plastic strips on each side? >> Thanks - that?s alotta questions. >> Ric Dadventure >> >> >> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >> www.stottarchitecture.com >> Office 631-283-1777 >> Cell 516-965-3164 >> >> >> >> >> >> > On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Cary Tolbert >> wrote: >> > >> > Thanks Steven. It does look similar to my tracks. Less secure than I >> would >> > have thought. Your track looks to be longer than my set up. >> > Thanks again for the help. >> > Cary >> > S/V Whisper >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 8:56 AM Steven Alm wrote: >> > >> >> My boat is a 1990 but probably similar vintage motor lift. The stopper >> is >> >> only on the starboard side track with is longer than the port side. It >> is >> >> not through-bolted to the transom and just unscrews. The bolt is >> covered >> >> with a plastic or composite bushing. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM Richard Stott < >> ric at stottarchitecture.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Nabble is a PITA >> >>> Here are some pics. >> >>> Westmarine mount is temporary. >> >>> The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8? apart - out to out. >> >>> My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail. >> >>> But -They will not extend past the top of the transom. >> >>> It will be manual. >> >>> The stops are simple 1/4? aluminum bolts at the bottom of the rails. >> >>> More to follow >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >> >>> www.stottarchitecture.com >> >>> Office 631-283-1777 >> >>> Cell 516-965-3164 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert >> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Thanks Rob >> >>>> There is a good reason for asking questions. The more brains the >> >> better. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>>> Cary, >> >>>>> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any >> grease >> >>>>> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. I >> >> think a >> >>>>> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want to >> >>> use. - >> >>>>> Rob >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ________________________________ >> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list on behalf >> of >> >>>>> Cary Tolbert >> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM >> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same >> >> mount. >> >>>>> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the >> >>>>> dimensions that would put me in business. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. >> Does >> >>>>> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant >> >> on a >> >>>>> track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. >> >>>>> Cary >> >>>>> Whisper >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott < >> ric at stottarchitecture.com> >> >>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Cory >> >>>>>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up >> >> from >> >>>>>> mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There >> is >> >> a >> >>>>>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, >> bottom >> >>> to >> >>>>>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. >> >>>>>> Ric >> >>>>>> Dadventure >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull >> the >> >>>>>> trigger >> >>>>>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert < >> retiredtoby at gmail.com >> >>> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. >> That >> >>>>>> system >> >>>>>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my >> >> 86. >> >>>>>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all >> >>>>>> electrical >> >>>>>>>> controls. >> >>>>>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? >> >>>>>>>> Cary >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn >> >>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Gary, >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will >> >>>>> help. >> >>>>>>>>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might >> work. >> >>>>> Good >> >>>>>>>>> luck! >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> Lee >> >>>>>>>>> No Boat Yet >> >>>>>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert < >> >>> retiredtoby at gmail.com >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat was >> >>>>>>>>>> apparently hit >> >>>>>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to >> >>>>> salvage >> >>>>>>>>> most >> >>>>>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns >> of >> >>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> old >> >>>>>>>>>> parts. >> >>>>>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have >> no >> >>>>> idea >> >>>>>>>>> what >> >>>>>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very >> >> helpful. >> >>>>>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing >> any >> >>>>> boat >> >>>>>>>>> from >> >>>>>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad >> you >> >>>>> can >> >>>>>>>> now >> >>>>>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have >> the >> >>>>> same >> >>>>>>>> set >> >>>>>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan >> said, >> >>> he >> >>>>>> no >> >>>>>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I >> >> must >> >>>>>>>> rely >> >>>>>>>>> on >> >>>>>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. >> >>>>>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found >> >> three >> >>>>>>>> 1/4 >> >>>>>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was >> >>>>> sheared >> >>>>>>>>> into >> >>>>>>>>>> two pieces. >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help, >> >>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert >> >>>>>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86 >> >>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg >> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1770484 bytes >> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg >> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1804873 bytes >> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg >> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1845462 bytes >> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> >> Name: IMG_0648.jpg >> >> Type: image/jpg >> >> Size: 1942916 bytes >> >> Desc: not available >> >> URL: < >> >> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/5e697346/attachment.jpg >> >>> >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Assembly.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2656135 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stevenalm at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 13:07:31 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:07:31 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <048D2C48-BFC6-459E-867F-54E307110BD2@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric. On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:06 PM Steven Alm wrote: > Ric, > My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic, > Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the > transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There > are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the > starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do. > The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the > picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white > strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull. > It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer. > (This is my second attempt. First one with three pics was too large, so > I'll send separately.) > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:01 PM Steven Alm wrote: > >> Ric, >> My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic, >> Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the >> transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There >> are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the >> starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do. >> The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the >> picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white >> strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull. >> It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer. >> Hope my pics come through: >> >> "Slim" >> Fandango >> >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 9:00 AM Ric Stott >> wrote: >> >>> Steven >>> I?m glad my pics came through. >>> Yours a looks more like Cary?s than mine. >>> You both have have plastic outside of the U channel. >>> I think mine rails are screwed to the transom using screws from the laz, >>> that is, the inside of the transom - directly into the plastic strips on >>> the inside of my rails. >>> I have a 1/2 plastic running vertical on the inside of each U channel. >>> The StarBoard or whatever that is, decreases the dept of the u channel >>> by 1/2?, so there is only a 1/2? channel to hold the motor on the boat. >>> The mount and transom was very weak in the area and the whole transom >>> flexed - even in the area the rails attached, which hold have stiffened it >>> vertically at least. >>> >>> I like your set up better and will move in that direction. >>> It appears that your Plastic strips are screwed into the transom at >>> like- 3? o.c. >>> The material looks to be about 3/4? x 1? - can you confirm that for me? >>> Are those thru bolts? >>> What is the backing behind the transom? >>> How are the U channels fastened to the Plastic strips on each side? >>> Thanks - that?s alotta questions. >>> Ric Dadventure >>> >>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>> Office 631-283-1777 >>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> > On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Cary Tolbert >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Thanks Steven. It does look similar to my tracks. Less secure than I >>> would >>> > have thought. Your track looks to be longer than my set up. >>> > Thanks again for the help. >>> > Cary >>> > S/V Whisper >>> > >>> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 8:56 AM Steven Alm wrote: >>> > >>> >> My boat is a 1990 but probably similar vintage motor lift. The >>> stopper is >>> >> only on the starboard side track with is longer than the port side. >>> It is >>> >> not through-bolted to the transom and just unscrews. The bolt is >>> covered >>> >> with a plastic or composite bushing. >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM Richard Stott < >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Nabble is a PITA >>> >>> Here are some pics. >>> >>> Westmarine mount is temporary. >>> >>> The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8? apart - out to out. >>> >>> My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail. >>> >>> But -They will not extend past the top of the transom. >>> >>> It will be manual. >>> >>> The stops are simple 1/4? aluminum bolts at the bottom of the rails. >>> >>> More to follow >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>> >>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>> >>> Office 631-283-1777 >>> >>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert >>> >> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks Rob >>> >>>> There is a good reason for asking questions. The more brains the >>> >> better. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> Cary, >>> >>>>> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any >>> grease >>> >>>>> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. I >>> >> think a >>> >>>>> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want >>> to >>> >>> use. - >>> >>>>> Rob >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list on >>> behalf of >>> >>>>> Cary Tolbert >>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM >>> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same >>> >> mount. >>> >>>>> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the >>> >>>>> dimensions that would put me in business. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. >>> Does >>> >>>>> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant >>> >> on a >>> >>>>> track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. >>> >>>>> Cary >>> >>>>> Whisper >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott < >>> ric at stottarchitecture.com> >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> Cory >>> >>>>>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up >>> >> from >>> >>>>>> mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There >>> is >>> >> a >>> >>>>>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, >>> bottom >>> >>> to >>> >>>>>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. >>> >>>>>> Ric >>> >>>>>> Dadventure >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull >>> the >>> >>>>>> trigger >>> >>>>>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert < >>> retiredtoby at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. >>> That >>> >>>>>> system >>> >>>>>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my >>> >> 86. >>> >>>>>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all >>> >>>>>> electrical >>> >>>>>>>> controls. >>> >>>>>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? >>> >>>>>>>> Cary >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Gary, >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE >>> will >>> >>>>> help. >>> >>>>>>>>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might >>> work. >>> >>>>> Good >>> >>>>>>>>> luck! >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> Lee >>> >>>>>>>>> No Boat Yet >>> >>>>>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert < >>> >>> retiredtoby at gmail.com >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat >>> was >>> >>>>>>>>>> apparently hit >>> >>>>>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to >>> >>>>> salvage >>> >>>>>>>>> most >>> >>>>>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing >>> patterns of >>> >>>>> the >>> >>>>>>>> old >>> >>>>>>>>>> parts. >>> >>>>>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I >>> have no >>> >>>>> idea >>> >>>>>>>>> what >>> >>>>>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very >>> >> helpful. >>> >>>>>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing >>> any >>> >>>>> boat >>> >>>>>>>>> from >>> >>>>>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am glad >>> you >>> >>>>> can >>> >>>>>>>> now >>> >>>>>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have >>> the >>> >>>>> same >>> >>>>>>>> set >>> >>>>>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan >>> said, >>> >>> he >>> >>>>>> no >>> >>>>>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I >>> >> must >>> >>>>>>>> rely >>> >>>>>>>>> on >>> >>>>>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season. >>> >>>>>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found >>> >> three >>> >>>>>>>> 1/4 >>> >>>>>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was >>> >>>>> sheared >>> >>>>>>>>> into >>> >>>>>>>>>> two pieces. >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help, >>> >>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert >>> >>>>>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86 >>> >>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg >>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1770484 bytes >>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg >>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1804873 bytes >>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg >>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1845462 bytes >>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg >>> >>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >>> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> >> Name: IMG_0648.jpg >>> >> Type: image/jpg >>> >> Size: 1942916 bytes >>> >> Desc: not available >>> >> URL: < >>> >> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/5e697346/attachment.jpg >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Track.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2636796 bytes Desc: not available URL: From stevenalm at gmail.com Wed Nov 18 13:07:57 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 12:07:57 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <048D2C48-BFC6-459E-867F-54E307110BD2@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric. On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM Steven Alm wrote: > Ric. > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:06 PM Steven Alm wrote: > >> Ric, >> My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic, >> Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the >> transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There >> are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the >> starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do. >> The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the >> picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white >> strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull. >> It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer. >> (This is my second attempt. First one with three pics was too large, so >> I'll send separately.) >> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:01 PM Steven Alm wrote: >> >>> Ric, >>> My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic, >>> Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the >>> transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There >>> are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the >>> starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do. >>> The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the >>> picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white >>> strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull. >>> It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer. >>> Hope my pics come through: >>> >>> "Slim" >>> Fandango >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 9:00 AM Ric Stott >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Steven >>>> I?m glad my pics came through. >>>> Yours a looks more like Cary?s than mine. >>>> You both have have plastic outside of the U channel. >>>> I think mine rails are screwed to the transom using screws from the >>>> laz, that is, the inside of the transom - directly into the plastic strips >>>> on the inside of my rails. >>>> I have a 1/2 plastic running vertical on the inside of each U channel. >>>> The StarBoard or whatever that is, decreases the dept of the u channel >>>> by 1/2?, so there is only a 1/2? channel to hold the motor on the boat. >>>> The mount and transom was very weak in the area and the whole transom >>>> flexed - even in the area the rails attached, which hold have stiffened it >>>> vertically at least. >>>> >>>> I like your set up better and will move in that direction. >>>> It appears that your Plastic strips are screwed into the transom at >>>> like- 3? o.c. >>>> The material looks to be about 3/4? x 1? - can you confirm that for me? >>>> Are those thru bolts? >>>> What is the backing behind the transom? >>>> How are the U channels fastened to the Plastic strips on each side? >>>> Thanks - that?s alotta questions. >>>> Ric Dadventure >>>> >>>> >>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>>> Office 631-283-1777 >>>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Cary Tolbert >>>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Thanks Steven. It does look similar to my tracks. Less secure than I >>>> would >>>> > have thought. Your track looks to be longer than my set up. >>>> > Thanks again for the help. >>>> > Cary >>>> > S/V Whisper >>>> > >>>> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 8:56 AM Steven Alm wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> My boat is a 1990 but probably similar vintage motor lift. The >>>> stopper is >>>> >> only on the starboard side track with is longer than the port side. >>>> It is >>>> >> not through-bolted to the transom and just unscrews. The bolt is >>>> covered >>>> >> with a plastic or composite bushing. >>>> >> >>>> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM Richard Stott < >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com> >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >>> Nabble is a PITA >>>> >>> Here are some pics. >>>> >>> Westmarine mount is temporary. >>>> >>> The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8? apart - out to out. >>>> >>> My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail. >>>> >>> But -They will not extend past the top of the transom. >>>> >>> It will be manual. >>>> >>> The stops are simple 1/4? aluminum bolts at the bottom of the rails. >>>> >>> More to follow >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>>> >>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>>> >>> Office 631-283-1777 >>>> >>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Thanks Rob >>>> >>>> There is a good reason for asking questions. The more brains the >>>> >> better. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Cary, >>>> >>>>> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any >>>> grease >>>> >>>>> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. I >>>> >> think a >>>> >>>>> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want >>>> to >>>> >>> use. - >>>> >>>>> Rob >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list on >>>> behalf of >>>> >>>>> Cary Tolbert >>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM >>>> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same >>>> >> mount. >>>> >>>>> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the >>>> >>>>> dimensions that would put me in business. >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. >>>> Does >>>> >>>>> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as >>>> lubricant >>>> >> on a >>>> >>>>> track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. >>>> >>>>> Cary >>>> >>>>> Whisper >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott < >>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com> >>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Cory >>>> >>>>>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up >>>> >> from >>>> >>>>>> mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. >>>> There is >>>> >> a >>>> >>>>>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, >>>> bottom >>>> >>> to >>>> >>>>>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. >>>> >>>>>> Ric >>>> >>>>>> Dadventure >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>> ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull >>>> the >>>> >>>>>> trigger >>>> >>>>>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan. >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert < >>>> retiredtoby at gmail.com >>>> >>> >>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its life. >>>> That >>>> >>>>>> system >>>> >>>>>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on >>>> my >>>> >> 86. >>>> >>>>>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with >>>> all >>>> >>>>>> electrical >>>> >>>>>>>> controls. >>>> >>>>>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? >>>> >>>>>>>> Cary >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn >>>> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary, >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE >>>> will >>>> >>>>> help. >>>> >>>>>>>>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might >>>> work. >>>> >>>>> Good >>>> >>>>>>>>> luck! >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Lee >>>> >>>>>>>>> No Boat Yet >>>> >>>>>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert < >>>> >>> retiredtoby at gmail.com >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat >>>> was >>>> >>>>>>>>>> apparently hit >>>> >>>>>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to >>>> >>>>> salvage >>>> >>>>>>>>> most >>>> >>>>>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing >>>> patterns of >>>> >>>>> the >>>> >>>>>>>> old >>>> >>>>>>>>>> parts. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I >>>> have no >>>> >>>>> idea >>>> >>>>>>>>> what >>>> >>>>>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very >>>> >> helpful. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing >>>> any >>>> >>>>> boat >>>> >>>>>>>>> from >>>> >>>>>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am >>>> glad you >>>> >>>>> can >>>> >>>>>>>> now >>>> >>>>>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have >>>> the >>>> >>>>> same >>>> >>>>>>>> set >>>> >>>>>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan >>>> said, >>>> >>> he >>>> >>>>>> no >>>> >>>>>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So >>>> I >>>> >> must >>>> >>>>>>>> rely >>>> >>>>>>>>> on >>>> >>>>>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next >>>> season. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found >>>> >> three >>>> >>>>>>>> 1/4 >>>> >>>>>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt >>>> was >>>> >>>>> sheared >>>> >>>>>>>>> into >>>> >>>>>>>>>> two pieces. >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help, >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert >>>> >>>>>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86 >>>> >>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg >>>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1770484 bytes >>>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg >>>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1804873 bytes >>>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg >>>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1845462 bytes >>>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg >>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> >> Name: IMG_0648.jpg >>>> >> Type: image/jpg >>>> >> Size: 1942916 bytes >>>> >> Desc: not available >>>> >> URL: < >>>> >> >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/5e697346/attachment.jpg >>>> >>> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Through-Bolts.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3360692 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Nov 18 20:17:13 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2020 20:17:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer In-Reply-To: References: <6FA8782B-BA4E-4D57-B2B4-47402A5F77F6@gmail.com> <180E8DD5-976D-4561-9DB9-14030A41AC99@stottarchitecture.com> <01b201d6bd3f$4b131760$e1394620$@ca> Message-ID: <01ea01d6be11$b79cb3f0$26d61bd0$@ca> Jesse: At the time I bought it I had a clear idea of how I planned to use the organizer but now I can't remember what it was. I ordered a sail pac and I think I wanted to run lines back to the cockpit and didn't want to bolt any hardware to the deck that could be avoided. Maybe it will all come back to me when I launch next spring. On the other hand, by that time I might not remember my name. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:44 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer Nice work Graham, thanks for sharing. Just curious, how are you planning to use your organizer? I installed mine last week as part of changes or the rigging to emulate some of Peter's setup. Fortunately the one I ordered only had the tabs on port and starboard so I didn't have to cut anything off. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 6:11 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > A few months back there was a discussion about halyard mast-step > organizers and whether one needed to go to a machine shop to remove one of > the tabs. I had already bought an organizer with the extra tab at the front > and did not fancy paying as much to have the ta cut off as the item cost in > the first place. > > Today I set about to see if I could cut it off with my home tools. As it > turned out it was pretty easy. I used my cordless Ryobi reciprocating saw > (20V) with a fresh metal cutting blade and had no trouble cutting off the > tab. I then dressed the edge with my bench grinder and finished it off with > a hand file. Given that the stainless steel was 1/8" thick I was surprised > that it went so easily. Maybe the steel was poor quality. For what it is > worth... > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Thu Nov 19 08:15:08 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 08:15:08 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer In-Reply-To: <01ea01d6be11$b79cb3f0$26d61bd0$@ca> References: <01ea01d6be11$b79cb3f0$26d61bd0$@ca> Message-ID: Hey Graham Besides feeling organized and yachtly, I think you were going to attach a boom bang to that thing and maybe a Cunningham too eh? Ric Dadventure. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > ?Jesse: > At the time I bought it I had a clear idea of how I planned to use the organizer but now I can't remember what it was. I ordered a sail pac and I think I wanted to run lines back to the cockpit and didn't want to bolt any hardware to the deck that could be avoided. Maybe it will all come back to me when I launch next spring. On the other hand, by that time I might not remember my name. > > Graham Stewart > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:44 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer > > Nice work Graham, thanks for sharing. Just curious, how are you planning > to use your organizer? I installed mine last week as part of changes or > the rigging to emulate some of Peter's setup. Fortunately the one I > ordered only had the tabs on port and starboard so I didn't have to cut > anything off. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 6:11 PM Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> A few months back there was a discussion about halyard mast-step >> organizers and whether one needed to go to a machine shop to remove one of >> the tabs. I had already bought an organizer with the extra tab at the front >> and did not fancy paying as much to have the ta cut off as the item cost in >> the first place. >> >> Today I set about to see if I could cut it off with my home tools. As it >> turned out it was pretty easy. I used my cordless Ryobi reciprocating saw >> (20V) with a fresh metal cutting blade and had no trouble cutting off the >> tab. I then dressed the edge with my bench grinder and finished it off with >> a hand file. Given that the stainless steel was 1/8" thick I was surprised >> that it went so easily. Maybe the steel was poor quality. For what it is >> worth... >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Nov 19 09:44:17 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 09:44:17 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer In-Reply-To: References: <01ea01d6be11$b79cb3f0$26d61bd0$@ca> Message-ID: <001d01d6be82$77a05330$66e0f990$@ca> Yea. Right. Thanks Ric. I thought I must have had something in mind when I got the organizer. I just have to remember now where I put your message when it comes time to rig it. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The Professional version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. Try Spam Reader (http://www.spam-reader.com) for free now! -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:15 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer Hey Graham Besides feeling organized and yachtly, I think you were going to attach a boom bang to that thing and maybe a Cunningham too eh? Ric Dadventure. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > ?Jesse: > At the time I bought it I had a clear idea of how I planned to use the organizer but now I can't remember what it was. I ordered a sail pac and I think I wanted to run lines back to the cockpit and didn't want to bolt any hardware to the deck that could be avoided. Maybe it will all come back to me when I launch next spring. On the other hand, by that time I might not remember my name. > > Graham Stewart > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:44 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer > > Nice work Graham, thanks for sharing. Just curious, how are you > planning to use your organizer? I installed mine last week as part of > changes or the rigging to emulate some of Peter's setup. Fortunately > the one I ordered only had the tabs on port and starboard so I didn't > have to cut anything off. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > >> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 6:11 PM Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> A few months back there was a discussion about halyard mast-step >> organizers and whether one needed to go to a machine shop to remove >> one of the tabs. I had already bought an organizer with the extra tab >> at the front and did not fancy paying as much to have the ta cut off >> as the item cost in the first place. >> >> Today I set about to see if I could cut it off with my home tools. As >> it turned out it was pretty easy. I used my cordless Ryobi >> reciprocating saw >> (20V) with a fresh metal cutting blade and had no trouble cutting off >> the tab. I then dressed the edge with my bench grinder and finished >> it off with a hand file. Given that the stainless steel was 1/8" >> thick I was surprised that it went so easily. Maybe the steel was >> poor quality. For what it is worth... >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Thu Nov 19 09:52:00 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 09:52:00 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer In-Reply-To: <001d01d6be82$77a05330$66e0f990$@ca> References: <01ea01d6be11$b79cb3f0$26d61bd0$@ca> <001d01d6be82$77a05330$66e0f990$@ca> Message-ID: <795A7829-182B-46C4-A231-56D734EBDB8F@stottarchitecture.com> What organizer? Where does that thing go again? On Long Island, its an auganiza. Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Nov 19, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > Yea. Right. Thanks Ric. I thought I must have had something in mind when I got the organizer. I just have to remember now where I put your message when it comes time to rig it. > > Graham Stewart > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The Professional version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. > Try Spam Reader (http://www.spam-reader.com) for free now! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:15 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer > > Hey Graham > Besides feeling organized and yachtly, > I think you were going to attach a boom bang to that thing and maybe a Cunningham too eh? > Ric > Dadventure. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 18, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> ?Jesse: >> At the time I bought it I had a clear idea of how I planned to use the organizer but now I can't remember what it was. I ordered a sail pac and I think I wanted to run lines back to the cockpit and didn't want to bolt any hardware to the deck that could be avoided. Maybe it will all come back to me when I launch next spring. On the other hand, by that time I might not remember my name. >> >> Graham Stewart >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker >> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:44 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer >> >> Nice work Graham, thanks for sharing. Just curious, how are you >> planning to use your organizer? I installed mine last week as part of >> changes or the rigging to emulate some of Peter's setup. Fortunately >> the one I ordered only had the tabs on port and starboard so I didn't >> have to cut anything off. >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 6:11 PM Graham Stewart wrote: >>> >>> A few months back there was a discussion about halyard mast-step >>> organizers and whether one needed to go to a machine shop to remove >>> one of the tabs. I had already bought an organizer with the extra tab >>> at the front and did not fancy paying as much to have the ta cut off >>> as the item cost in the first place. >>> >>> Today I set about to see if I could cut it off with my home tools. As >>> it turned out it was pretty easy. I used my cordless Ryobi >>> reciprocating saw >>> (20V) with a fresh metal cutting blade and had no trouble cutting off >>> the tab. I then dressed the edge with my bench grinder and finished >>> it off with a hand file. Given that the stainless steel was 1/8" >>> thick I was surprised that it went so easily. Maybe the steel was >>> poor quality. For what it is worth... >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>> Kingston Ontario >>> >>> >> > From joedempsey at hughes.net Fri Nov 20 15:58:47 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 13:58:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler In-Reply-To: References: <1603918425935-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1605905927790-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Wow, that furler drum looks pretty rough! As promised, I'm updating my original CDI post. With the help of Lee Farinholt at Chesepeake Boat Works in Deltaville, we got the new furler bearing installed. I decided to re-install the original furling line. When I unfurled the 175 jenny, once it starting filling with air, it opened on it's own and i simply tailed the furling line with light tension. It had never been so easy. But the real change came when we returned and i started furling. It was almost reverse of the unfurl! The drum spun so easy I almost was able to haul the line with just two fingers. Before the Rhodes, I had no experience with jib furling or IMF. For three years, I've been fighting with the jib furler and not knowing any better just thought that's the way it was. I could not be more pleased with the CDI furler and thanks to Joel Guarette at CDI for his assistance and quick response. I went to the factory because there is no CDI dealer in Deltaville, VA. There are plenty in NY. A dealer list is on the CDI website sailcdi.com. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 16:25:22 2020 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (MichaelM) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 14:25:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa Message-ID: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi, I am hoping to purchase a Rhodes 22 in the near future, and am wondering about the pros and cons of the Genoa options. It seems that the 175 would be best in light air (which is most common where I sail), but I wonder how such a large sail tacks in those conditions. Also, I think reefing the 175 down a lot for heavier winds would adversely affect its shape. Which sail do you have and what do you recommend? Thanks, Wannabe Rhodie -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 16:38:16 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 16:38:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I love my 175. It gives the boat perfect balance with the IMF. By first backwinding it when you come about, it tacks fine. Regards, Rick Lange On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:25 PM MichaelM wrote: > Hi, > > I am hoping to purchase a Rhodes 22 in the near future, and am wondering > about the pros and cons of the Genoa options. It seems that the 175 would > be best in light air (which is most common where I sail), but I wonder how > such a large sail tacks in those conditions. Also, I think reefing the 175 > down a lot for heavier winds would adversely affect its shape. > > Which sail do you have and what do you recommend? > > Thanks, > > Wannabe Rhodie > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Nov 21 16:40:09 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 15:40:09 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have a 175. Tacks fine as long as you don't rush it. The issue most have is the clew hanging on the stay, let the wind fill it a bit before cranking it over. I can't speak to sail shape, next year is our first on bigger water, we will see if I want to downsize after lake michigan becomes home. Buy one!! On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 3:25 PM MichaelM wrote: > Hi, > > I am hoping to purchase a Rhodes 22 in the near future, and am wondering > about the pros and cons of the Genoa options. It seems that the 175 would > be best in light air (which is most common where I sail), but I wonder how > such a large sail tacks in those conditions. Also, I think reefing the 175 > down a lot for heavier winds would adversely affect its shape. > > Which sail do you have and what do you recommend? > > Thanks, > > Wannabe Rhodie > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From ruckc at yahoo.com Sat Nov 21 16:41:29 2020 From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 16:41:29 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have had a 175 dacron and currently sail with a 130 laminate. The 175 is a nightmare to tack in lightwinds, even with pvc shroud rollers I'd still have to go forward to help it. The 130 tacks easy, can still occasionally get hung up on the forward shrouds. I primarily do lake racing in the south now, but I went with laminate because at the time I was sailing chesapeake in 15+ knot conditions and the 170 even partially furled was more than I was comfortable with. On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 4:25 PM MichaelM wrote: > Hi, > > I am hoping to purchase a Rhodes 22 in the near future, and am wondering > about the pros and cons of the Genoa options. It seems that the 175 would > be best in light air (which is most common where I sail), but I wonder how > such a large sail tacks in those conditions. Also, I think reefing the 175 > down a lot for heavier winds would adversely affect its shape. > > Which sail do you have and what do you recommend? > > Thanks, > > Wannabe Rhodie > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 16:49:54 2020 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (MichaelM) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 14:49:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? Message-ID: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi again, I'd like to solicit your input on what to look for in a used Rhodes. What are the features that you think are "must have" and which are "nice to have"? Also, are there specific mechanical or maintenance issues that I should look for when evaluating a Rhodes 22? Thanks again, WannabeRhodie -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Nov 21 18:37:10 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 17:37:10 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Early boats had more wood in the build, so find latest vintage you can. I have seen some r22s that I wouldn't take for free, and I have seen some that are north of $35k. I love my IMF, and the captains chairs. I didn't think I would care for the liferail, but it's nice. Octopian is a 2011. IMG_20200730_184543_01.jpg On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 3:49 PM MichaelM wrote: > Hi again, > > I'd like to solicit your input on what to look for in a used Rhodes. What > are the features that you think are "must have" and which are "nice to > have"? > > Also, are there specific mechanical or maintenance issues that I should > look > for when evaluating a Rhodes 22? > > Thanks again, > > WannabeRhodie > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 20:43:49 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 20:43:49 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have a 175 which is very lightly used for sale if you decide on that ($550.00 plus shipping) pics available On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:41 PM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I have had a 175 dacron and currently sail with a 130 laminate. The 175 is > a nightmare to tack in lightwinds, even with pvc shroud rollers I'd still > have to go forward to help it. The 130 tacks easy, can still occasionally > get hung up on the forward shrouds. I primarily do lake racing in the > south now, but I went with laminate because at the time I was sailing > chesapeake in 15+ knot conditions and the 170 even partially furled was > more than I was comfortable with. > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 4:25 PM MichaelM wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am hoping to purchase a Rhodes 22 in the near future, and am wondering > > about the pros and cons of the Genoa options. It seems that the 175 > would > > be best in light air (which is most common where I sail), but I wonder > how > > such a large sail tacks in those conditions. Also, I think reefing the > 175 > > down a lot for heavier winds would adversely affect its shape. > > > > Which sail do you have and what do you recommend? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wannabe Rhodie > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Sat Nov 21 20:44:22 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 20:44:22 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:41 PM, Curtis Ruck via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I have had a 175 dacron and currently sail with a 130 laminate. The 175 is > a nightmare to tack in lightwinds, even with pvc shroud rollers I'd still > have to go forward to help it. The 130 tacks easy, can still occasionally > get hung up on the forward shrouds. I primarily do lake racing in the > south now, but I went with laminate because at the time I was sailing > chesapeake in 15+ knot conditions and the 170 even partially furled was > more than I was comfortable with. > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 4:25 PM MichaelM wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I am hoping to purchase a Rhodes 22 in the near future, and am wondering > > about the pros and cons of the Genoa options. It seems that the 175 > would > > be best in light air (which is most common where I sail), but I wonder > how > > such a large sail tacks in those conditions. Also, I think reefing the > 175 > > down a lot for heavier winds would adversely affect its shape. > > > > Which sail do you have and what do you recommend? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Wannabe Rhodie > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sat Nov 21 21:38:15 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 21:38:15 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <010801d6c078$890f0600$9b2d1200$@ca> Hi Michael: I have one of the older Rhodes 22 boats in the fleet having been built in 1976. Any boat that is 44 years old is going to have problems whether a Rhodes or any other make. After I was told by a marine surveyor that my boat was ready for the dump I set about on a 6 year restoration project and in the process discovered that everything that could go wrong did go wrong. The rebuild was a ridiculously long and expensive effort but still rewarding just for the sense of restoring a good old boat back to health. Here is a list of major things to look out for: . Check the stringers under the floor boards for rot. Also Check under the compression post to see if the floor is sagging. Fixing the structure is possible but is also a big job as the entire boat will probably need to be gutted. . Look for signs of deck delaminating - depth soundings with a wooden screw driver handle or signs of sagging under foot might well take considerable work to repair. . A lot of cracks in the gel coat are not a good sign. . Check the keel and in particular under the keel for cracks - mine had huge cracks that I hadn't noticed for years and again was very time consuming to repair. I don't know of anyone else having this problem. It may have been caused by a heavy grounding. . Check the centerboard housing cap. Make sure it can be removed. Mine was glassed over and sealed with 3M 5200. Ask if the cap and centerboard housing has ever been serviced. You want to be able to remove the cap if and when you need to. . Check the condition of the hull-deck joint for signs of leaking or separation. . Check the hull for osmosis. All of the above were serious problems with my boat. Fortunately I was entirely clueless when I started the restoration as otherwise I probably would have taken the advice of the surveyor. They can all be fixed but not easily and inexpensively. My boat has none of the features of newer boats like bimminie, motor lift, mainsail furling etc. I don't miss them as every "convenience" becomes something that can fail and needs maintenance so I am content with the basic boat but that is entirely up to you. Newer boats should not have these problems - yet - but early signs of problems should be fixed before they become major. Also, newer boats were built much better than the older ones that were built by 3rd party contractors so age really matters. Good luck. There are lots of beautiful R22s out there in great condition that I am sure will delight you. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of MichaelM Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:50 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? Hi again, I'd like to solicit your input on what to look for in a used Rhodes. What are the features that you think are "must have" and which are "nice to have"? Also, are there specific mechanical or maintenance issues that I should look for when evaluating a Rhodes 22? Thanks again, WannabeRhodie -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Sun Nov 22 07:25:42 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 05:25:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1606047942824-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I didn't think I would like the Captains Chairs, but I was wrong - very comfortable and convinient. If you plan on spending many nights on board, the pop top enclosure is worth it. My electric start Yamaha 8 starts every time with one push of the button. Buy the newest and most tricked out boat you can afford. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From talbotdavid50 at gmail.com Sun Nov 22 15:25:00 2020 From: talbotdavid50 at gmail.com (David Talbot) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 15:25:00 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1606047942824-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606047942824-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Agree with Jeff, and as a rule if a surveyor says don?t buy, don?t buy On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 7:25 AM, JeffSmith wrote: > I didn't think I would like the Captains Chairs, but I was wrong - very > comfortable and convinient. If you plan on spending many nights on board, > the pop top enclosure is worth it. My electric start Yamaha 8 starts every > time with one push of the button. > Buy the newest and most tricked out boat you can afford. > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Sun Nov 22 15:48:10 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 15:48:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606047942824-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: If you are going to inspect the boat yourself, then I would recommend a small purchase of " Inspecting the Aging Sailboat " by Dan Casey. I am sure it would available on Amazon. A small book has pictures and a lot of useful information. Been down this road myself. I was 65 when I got into sailing and bought my Rhodes 22. Acording to the seller the boat was recycled in the early 2000s. I did know to ask for proof of this claim, but it was in good condition and had a newer motor and came with an IMF sail I overlooked the bad condition of the HEAD area. So a lot depends on your skills an what you thing you can fix yourself. and your budget. Best of luck on your adventure. I LOVE my Rhodes 22 but a few years late I did replace the 175 headsail with Stan's 130. Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86 On Sun, Nov 22, 2020, 3:25 PM David Talbot wrote: > Agree with Jeff, and as a rule if a surveyor says don?t buy, don?t buy > > On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 7:25 AM, JeffSmith > wrote: > > > I didn't think I would like the Captains Chairs, but I was wrong - very > > comfortable and convinient. If you plan on spending many nights on > board, > > the pop top enclosure is worth it. My electric start Yamaha 8 starts > every > > time with one push of the button. > > Buy the newest and most tricked out boat you can afford. > > > > > > > > ----- > > Jeff Smith > > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From retro53 at msn.com Sun Nov 22 17:31:57 2020 From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser) Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2020 22:31:57 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <010801d6c078$890f0600$9b2d1200$@ca> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <010801d6c078$890f0600$9b2d1200$@ca> Message-ID: Hi Michael, Graham and the others make a lot of great points both about the Rhodes and old boats in general, so I'm not going to elaborate on shopping for a used boat . I've only had my Rhodes for three years but have had half a dozen other sailboats of various sizes and vintages over the years. All had their pluses and minuses. That being said, I think it's worthwhile to point out to you what I think are some of the best features of a Rhodes. 1. The IMF mainsail. This feature has totally spoiled me. No more clambering around on a slippery cabin top wrestling with a flapping mainsail. Just turn into the wind more or less and furl the sail from the cockpit by pulling a line. 2. The pop top is a great feature in a boat this size. In a normal 22-footer, you would have to stoop to make your way around inside the cabin. With the pop top, when it's raised it basically turns the main cabin an extension of the cockpit, enabling you and your crew to easily move around in what has become a pretty large space. 3. The multi-position IMF system which has two positions. When adjusted to the higher position, it enables the pop top to be raised, as well as providing space to erect a standing-room Bimini to shade the cockpit. When adjusted to it's lower position, the pop-top and Bimini cannot be raised, but is very useful for sailing in higher wind conditions. 4. I did add lifelines to my boat. I understand that some Rhodies are not in favor of them, but I sure am glad they are there when the little ones are on board. I have not had any issues with them interfering with the sails or lines. Good luck with your search. John Keyser "Deci-Belle" 1980 R-22 Philadelphia, PA ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Graham Stewart Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 9:38 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? Hi Michael: I have one of the older Rhodes 22 boats in the fleet having been built in 1976. Any boat that is 44 years old is going to have problems whether a Rhodes or any other make. After I was told by a marine surveyor that my boat was ready for the dump I set about on a 6 year restoration project and in the process discovered that everything that could go wrong did go wrong. The rebuild was a ridiculously long and expensive effort but still rewarding just for the sense of restoring a good old boat back to health. Here is a list of major things to look out for: . Check the stringers under the floor boards for rot. Also Check under the compression post to see if the floor is sagging. Fixing the structure is possible but is also a big job as the entire boat will probably need to be gutted. . Look for signs of deck delaminating - depth soundings with a wooden screw driver handle or signs of sagging under foot might well take considerable work to repair. . A lot of cracks in the gel coat are not a good sign. . Check the keel and in particular under the keel for cracks - mine had huge cracks that I hadn't noticed for years and again was very time consuming to repair. I don't know of anyone else having this problem. It may have been caused by a heavy grounding. . Check the centerboard housing cap. Make sure it can be removed. Mine was glassed over and sealed with 3M 5200. Ask if the cap and centerboard housing has ever been serviced. You want to be able to remove the cap if and when you need to. . Check the condition of the hull-deck joint for signs of leaking or separation. . Check the hull for osmosis. All of the above were serious problems with my boat. Fortunately I was entirely clueless when I started the restoration as otherwise I probably would have taken the advice of the surveyor. They can all be fixed but not easily and inexpensively. My boat has none of the features of newer boats like bimminie, motor lift, mainsail furling etc. I don't miss them as every "convenience" becomes something that can fail and needs maintenance so I am content with the basic boat but that is entirely up to you. Newer boats should not have these problems - yet - but early signs of problems should be fixed before they become major. Also, newer boats were built much better than the older ones that were built by 3rd party contractors so age really matters. Good luck. There are lots of beautiful R22s out there in great condition that I am sure will delight you. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of MichaelM Sent: Saturday, November 21, 2020 4:50 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? Hi again, I'd like to solicit your input on what to look for in a used Rhodes. What are the features that you think are "must have" and which are "nice to have"? Also, are there specific mechanical or maintenance issues that I should look for when evaluating a Rhodes 22? Thanks again, WannabeRhodie -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 12:55:42 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 10:55:42 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1606154142170-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Michael, Attached is the list I sent to Stan for a recycled Rhodes. It's everything I had on my 1986 he recycled for me. Most of the things on the list come standard and the options are all "nice to have" versus "must have." Lee_Kuhn_s_Recycled_11-19-29.docx Two "nice to have" options are a handheld GPS primarily to determine boat speed (to improve your sailing skills) and a handheld anemometer to determine wind speed (to set the reef in your sails). Question for the list. With a 60 lb. outboard should I get the electric motor lift or do you think the manual lift will be easy enough on my old back? Lee Boatless for Now Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 13:16:40 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 11:16:40 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1606155400104-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Michael, If you search the archives you'll find that I've said that if I had to do it over I would get the 175 again, and I've also said the 130 is smarter because I rarely used the fully unfurled 175; so basically I don't know. I don't know of any boat whose Genoa is twice the size of their main. You can furl the 175 down to any size you wish but the rolled up Genoa on your forestay probably has some minor negative effect on your speed. The smaller the sail the easier it is to handle. I found that you need about a 3 knot wind to inflate the 175 on a reach and after a 5 knot wind you should reef it for better speed. I've tacked without getting the 175 stuck many times but found it's easier to furl it in a little before the tack and unfurl it again after the tack. It ain't much effort and I'm a very lazy sailor. The 175 is a thing of beauty when completely unfurled. With a whisker pole the 175 helps with downwind performance. With the 175 completely unfurled a small gust of wind will send you into a heel that will terrify your guests on board. This time around I'm asking Stan for the 130 but I'm sure there will be times when I'll miss the 175. Lee Still Boatless Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 13:20:21 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 13:20:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1606154142170-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606154142170-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Lee, I have a pretty old back and longed for the power lift--until I heard about all the problems people have with it. With just a squirt of WD40 every month or so, my 90's vintage manual lift works just fine. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 12:55 PM Lee wrote: > Michael, > > Attached is the list I sent to Stan for a recycled Rhodes. It's everything > I had on my 1986 he recycled for me. Most of the things on the list come > standard and the options are all "nice to have" versus "must have." > > Lee_Kuhn_s_Recycled_11-19-29.docx > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/Lee_Kuhn_s_Recycled_11-19-29.docx> > > > Two "nice to have" options are a handheld GPS primarily to determine boat > speed (to improve your sailing skills) and a handheld anemometer to > determine wind speed (to set the reef in your sails). > > Question for the list. With a 60 lb. outboard should I get the electric > motor lift or do you think the manual lift will be easy enough on my old > back? > > Lee > Boatless for Now > Claytor Lake, VA > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From stevenalm at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 13:59:34 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 12:59:34 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <048D2C48-BFC6-459E-867F-54E307110BD2@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Did my post with photos come through? On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM Steven Alm wrote: > Ric. > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM Steven Alm wrote: > >> Ric. >> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:06 PM Steven Alm wrote: >> >>> Ric, >>> My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic, >>> Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the >>> transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There >>> are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the >>> starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do. >>> The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the >>> picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white >>> strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull. >>> It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer. >>> (This is my second attempt. First one with three pics was too large, so >>> I'll send separately.) >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:01 PM Steven Alm wrote: >>> >>>> Ric, >>>> My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic, >>>> Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the >>>> transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There >>>> are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the >>>> starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do. >>>> The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the >>>> picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white >>>> strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull. >>>> It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer. >>>> Hope my pics come through: >>>> >>>> "Slim" >>>> Fandango >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 9:00 AM Ric Stott >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Steven >>>>> I?m glad my pics came through. >>>>> Yours a looks more like Cary?s than mine. >>>>> You both have have plastic outside of the U channel. >>>>> I think mine rails are screwed to the transom using screws from the >>>>> laz, that is, the inside of the transom - directly into the plastic strips >>>>> on the inside of my rails. >>>>> I have a 1/2 plastic running vertical on the inside of each U channel. >>>>> The StarBoard or whatever that is, decreases the dept of the u channel >>>>> by 1/2?, so there is only a 1/2? channel to hold the motor on the boat. >>>>> The mount and transom was very weak in the area and the whole transom >>>>> flexed - even in the area the rails attached, which hold have stiffened it >>>>> vertically at least. >>>>> >>>>> I like your set up better and will move in that direction. >>>>> It appears that your Plastic strips are screwed into the transom at >>>>> like- 3? o.c. >>>>> The material looks to be about 3/4? x 1? - can you confirm that for >>>>> me? >>>>> Are those thru bolts? >>>>> What is the backing behind the transom? >>>>> How are the U channels fastened to the Plastic strips on each side? >>>>> Thanks - that?s alotta questions. >>>>> Ric Dadventure >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>>>> Office 631-283-1777 >>>>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Cary Tolbert >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > Thanks Steven. It does look similar to my tracks. Less secure than I >>>>> would >>>>> > have thought. Your track looks to be longer than my set up. >>>>> > Thanks again for the help. >>>>> > Cary >>>>> > S/V Whisper >>>>> > >>>>> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 8:56 AM Steven Alm >>>>> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> My boat is a 1990 but probably similar vintage motor lift. The >>>>> stopper is >>>>> >> only on the starboard side track with is longer than the port side. >>>>> It is >>>>> >> not through-bolted to the transom and just unscrews. The bolt is >>>>> covered >>>>> >> with a plastic or composite bushing. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM Richard Stott < >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com> >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >>> Nabble is a PITA >>>>> >>> Here are some pics. >>>>> >>> Westmarine mount is temporary. >>>>> >>> The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8? apart - out to out. >>>>> >>> My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail. >>>>> >>> But -They will not extend past the top of the transom. >>>>> >>> It will be manual. >>>>> >>> The stops are simple 1/4? aluminum bolts at the bottom of the >>>>> rails. >>>>> >>> More to follow >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>>>> >>> www.stottarchitecture.com >>>>> >>> Office 631-283-1777 >>>>> >>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> Thanks Rob >>>>> >>>> There is a good reason for asking questions. The more brains the >>>>> >> better. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Cary, >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any >>>>> grease >>>>> >>>>> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. I >>>>> >> think a >>>>> >>>>> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would >>>>> want to >>>>> >>> use. - >>>>> >>>>> Rob >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list on >>>>> behalf of >>>>> >>>>> Cary Tolbert >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM >>>>> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same >>>>> >> mount. >>>>> >>>>> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the >>>>> >>>>> dimensions that would put me in business. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List. >>>>> Does >>>>> >>>>> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as >>>>> lubricant >>>>> >> on a >>>>> >>>>> track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. >>>>> >>>>> Cary >>>>> >>>>> Whisper >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott < >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Cory >>>>> >>>>>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level >>>>> up >>>>> >> from >>>>> >>>>>> mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. >>>>> There is >>>>> >> a >>>>> >>>>>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, >>>>> bottom >>>>> >>> to >>>>> >>>>>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can. >>>>> >>>>>> Ric >>>>> >>>>>> Dadventure >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll >>>>> pull the >>>>> >>>>>> trigger >>>>> >>>>>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan. >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert < >>>>> retiredtoby at gmail.com >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its >>>>> life. That >>>>> >>>>>> system >>>>> >>>>>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on >>>>> my >>>>> >> 86. >>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with >>>>> all >>>>> >>>>>> electrical >>>>> >>>>>>>> controls. >>>>> >>>>>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? >>>>> >>>>>>>> Cary >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn >>>> > >>>>> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary, >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE >>>>> will >>>>> >>>>> help. >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might >>>>> work. >>>>> >>>>> Good >>>>> >>>>>>>>> luck! >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lee >>>>> >>>>>>>>> No Boat Yet >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert < >>>>> >>> retiredtoby at gmail.com >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My boat >>>>> was >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> apparently hit >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able >>>>> to >>>>> >>>>> salvage >>>>> >>>>>>>>> most >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing >>>>> patterns of >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>> >>>>>>>> old >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> parts. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I >>>>> have no >>>>> >>>>> idea >>>>> >>>>>>>>> what >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very >>>>> >> helpful. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am >>>>> guessing any >>>>> >>>>> boat >>>>> >>>>>>>>> from >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am >>>>> glad you >>>>> >>>>> can >>>>> >>>>>>>> now >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we >>>>> have the >>>>> >>>>> same >>>>> >>>>>>>> set >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? Stan >>>>> said, >>>>> >>> he >>>>> >>>>>> no >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. >>>>> So I >>>>> >> must >>>>> >>>>>>>> rely >>>>> >>>>>>>>> on >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next >>>>> season. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found >>>>> >> three >>>>> >>>>>>>> 1/4 >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt >>>>> was >>>>> >>>>> sheared >>>>> >>>>>>>>> into >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> two pieces. >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help, >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86 >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1770484 bytes >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1804873 bytes >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1845462 bytes >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> >> Name: IMG_0648.jpg >>>>> >> Type: image/jpg >>>>> >> Size: 1942916 bytes >>>>> >> Desc: not available >>>>> >> URL: < >>>>> >> >>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/5e697346/attachment.jpg >>>>> >>> >>>>> >> >>>>> >>>>> From snstaum at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 15:57:03 2020 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 15:57:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I had a 175 on my first Rhodes 22, a 150 and 130 on my present boat. The 175 was ok in light air but the boat was overpowered very quickly when the wind freshened and it had to be reefed constantly. I had a new one made with a luff pad so it reefed better but it still was overpowered too quickly and got stuck on the rigging constantly when coming about. The 150 was better and I would recommend it if you have a lot of light wind days. I have been sailing with a 130 for the last two seasons (17th season with a Rhodes 22) and find the 130 to be the best overall. The 130 seems to be the most balanced and the boat sails in its best heeling more often. I sail in salt water, both protected bays and some open ocean. *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:25 PM MichaelM wrote: > Hi, > > I am hoping to purchase a Rhodes 22 in the near future, and am wondering > about the pros and cons of the Genoa options. It seems that the 175 would > be best in light air (which is most common where I sail), but I wonder how > such a large sail tacks in those conditions. Also, I think reefing the 175 > down a lot for heavier winds would adversely affect its shape. > > Which sail do you have and what do you recommend? > > Thanks, > > Wannabe Rhodie > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From snstaum at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 16:05:03 2020 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 16:05:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: The IMF (inner mast furling) mainsail is the most important feature in my opinion and I would not consider a Rhodes 22 without one. Beyond that, go with your budget & needs - overnight cruising vs day sailing to determine what matters to you in terms of features and comforts/extras. If you are hauling it yourself or trailering, the mast raising system is also mandatory. You can raise and lower the mast with 2 stout guys but it is a lot less anxiety with the security of Stan's system and knowing that the mast will not go sideways and tear the mount off the cabin top spoiling your day and a few days more. *Good luck and fair winds.* *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:49 PM MichaelM wrote: > Hi again, > > I'd like to solicit your input on what to look for in a used Rhodes. What > are the features that you think are "must have" and which are "nice to > have"? > > Also, are there specific mechanical or maintenance issues that I should > look > for when evaluating a Rhodes 22? > > Thanks again, > > WannabeRhodie > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Nov 23 16:37:56 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 15:37:56 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I agree with the hoist. Every man and woman can raise and lower alone after a few hours practice. Say do it 2 or 3 times in a row. It's easy. Takes us 20 min. On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 3:05 PM Stephen Staum wrote: > The IMF (inner mast furling) mainsail is the most important feature in my > opinion and I would not consider a Rhodes 22 without one. Beyond that, go > with your budget & needs - overnight cruising vs day sailing to determine > what matters to you in terms of features and comforts/extras. If you are > hauling it yourself or trailering, the mast raising system is also > mandatory. You can raise and lower the mast with 2 stout guys but it is a > lot less anxiety with the security of Stan's system and knowing that the > mast will not go sideways and tear the mount off the cabin top spoiling > your day and a few days more. > > *Good luck and fair winds.* > > > *Thanks and Stay Well,* > > *Stephen Staum* > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > > *Needham, MA* > > > On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:49 PM MichaelM wrote: > > > Hi again, > > > > I'd like to solicit your input on what to look for in a used Rhodes. > What > > are the features that you think are "must have" and which are "nice to > > have"? > > > > Also, are there specific mechanical or maintenance issues that I should > > look > > for when evaluating a Rhodes 22? > > > > Thanks again, > > > > WannabeRhodie > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From melrothbard at yahoo.com Mon Nov 23 16:56:09 2020 From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 21:56:09 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1746243941.854895.1606168569359@mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Steven's analysis.? I also started out with the 175 about 26 years ago.? I then went to a 150 and presently have a 130 which I find , as a single hander, is best for me.? One other item I would highly recommend is Stan's? new infinite traveler.? It really helps when I am trying to get close to the wind. Mel RothbardLBI? Melvyn H. Rothbard Attorney at Law Suite 3C 23 South 23rd Street Philadelphia, PA 19103 215 901 2258 Fax: 215 656 0993 melrothbard at yahoo.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information and/or documents included in or accompanying this transmission contain(s) confidential information belonging to the sender which is legally privileged. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to whom it was sent as indicated above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this transmission is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e mail in error, please delete this message and immediately notify us by replying to this e mail or telephoning us at 215 901 2258. On Monday, November 23, 2020, 03:57:22 PM EST, Stephen Staum wrote: I had a 175 on my first Rhodes 22, a 150 and 130 on my present boat.? The 175 was ok in light air but the boat was overpowered very quickly when the wind freshened and it had to be reefed constantly.? I had a new one made with a luff pad so it reefed better but it still was overpowered too quickly and got stuck on the rigging constantly when coming about.? The 150 was better and I would recommend it if you have a lot of light wind days. I have been sailing with a 130 for the last two seasons (17th season with a Rhodes 22) and find the 130 to be the best overall.? The 130 seems to be the most balanced and the boat sails in its best heeling more often.? I sail in salt water, both protected bays and some open ocean. *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:25 PM MichaelM wrote: > Hi, > > I am hoping to purchase a Rhodes 22 in the near future, and am wondering > about the pros and cons of the Genoa options.? It seems that the 175 would > be best in light air (which is most common where I sail), but I wonder how > such a large sail tacks in those conditions.? Also, I think reefing the 175 > down a lot for heavier winds would adversely affect its shape. > > Which sail do you have and what do you recommend? > > Thanks, > > Wannabe Rhodie > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon Nov 23 17:18:23 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 17:18:23 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: <1606155400104-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606155400104-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Michael, When we had our Rhodes on the Chesapeake the biggest problem with the 175 was in chop and light air because it was so heavy. On the other hand in 6-10 knots the boat came alive with the 175. We solved the problem by getting a Doyle UPS (essentially a cruising spinnaker but you can sail on higher points of sail with it) which mounted on its own luff behind the regular jib and had it's own furler. It required and extra halyard and you had to put it up and take it down for every use but it was so much fun that we didn't mind. In heavy air the partially furled 175 did ok because we had genoa tracks on the cabin top and beside the cabin as well as the track along the cockpit. This gave us lots of sheeting options and because we alsways sailed with two of us on board, we could switch from one to the other underway. Best wishes with your new endeavor. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Mon Nov 23 17:40:40 2020 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 22:40:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606155400104-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <837277659.529820.1606171240572@mail.yahoo.com> Michael I agree with mary lou? ?I went from 175 to 130 easer to sail doesn't? get hung up? tacking on spreaders .we use ups doyal sail when winds are good for it also have larger spinnaker will set when on run for extended time . if sailing solo I like 130? best? Mark -----Original Message----- From: Mary Lou Troy To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2020 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa Michael, When we had our Rhodes on the Chesapeake the biggest problem with the 175 was in chop and light air because it was so heavy. On the other hand in 6-10 knots the boat came alive with the 175. We solved the problem by getting a Doyle UPS (essentially a cruising spinnaker but you can sail on higher points of sail with it) which mounted on its own luff behind the regular jib and had it's own furler. It required and extra halyard and you had to put it up and take it down for every use but it was so much fun that we didn't mind. In heavy air the partially furled 175 did ok because we had genoa tracks on the cabin top and beside the cabin as well as the track along the cockpit. This gave us lots of sheeting options and because we alsways sailed with two of us on board, we could switch from one to the other underway. Best wishes with your new endeavor. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Nov 23 18:35:17 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:35:17 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606155400104-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hey Mike, I?ve sailed with both over the last 45 years. Currently I have 2 Rhodes and have a 135 on the Rhodes in Greece but the Rhodes in the Chesapeake/Kansas lakes is a 175. I think your best bet as a new Rhodie would be the 130. If it turns out after a couple of seasons that isn?t enough then Mary Lou?s Doyle or the 175. Good luck and welcome to the Rhodes family. As a final note, Stan can find you the perfect Rhodes probably at a price you can afford. Chris Geankoplis S/V Enosis S/V Mudita (maybe) On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 17:18, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > Michael, > When we had our Rhodes on the Chesapeake the biggest problem with the > 175 was in chop and light air because it was so heavy. On the other hand > in 6-10 knots the boat came alive with the 175. We solved the problem by > getting a Doyle UPS (essentially a cruising spinnaker but you can sail > on higher points of sail with it) which mounted on its own luff behind > the regular jib and had it's own furler. It required and extra halyard > and you had to put it up and take it down for every use but it was so > much fun that we didn't mind. In heavy air the partially furled 175 did > ok because we had genoa tracks on the cabin top and beside the cabin as > well as the track along the cockpit. This gave us lots of sheeting > options and because we alsways sailed with two of us on board, we could > switch from one to the other underway. > > Best wishes with your new endeavor. > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22 > now Rosborough RF-246 > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Mon Nov 23 18:39:38 2020 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 23:39:38 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? Message-ID: Hi All, Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since 1987 and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of experimentation. The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% genoa made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar scrim, and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to take full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 roller furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a reef in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with the leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, you must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a gust or helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster than you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration and the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so much acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really quite addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat to sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to drive the boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the wind builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will enable maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of constant required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the genoa down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough that the autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind forward of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as the Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < 110%, the mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the strategy of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa was cut too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed down to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this was with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a foam luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as well. But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never found the 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Nov 23 19:01:43 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 18:01:43 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606155400104-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is generally so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an archive link to appease my curiosity in the details? .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more than 15 minutes!! I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we are for this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart people, and it's just... swell. Smooth sailing, On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 5:35 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Mike, > I?ve sailed with both over the last 45 years. Currently I have 2 Rhodes > and have a 135 on the Rhodes in Greece but the Rhodes in the > Chesapeake/Kansas lakes is a 175. I think your best bet as a new Rhodie > would be the 130. If it turns out after a couple of seasons that isn?t > enough then Mary Lou?s Doyle or the 175. Good luck and welcome to the > Rhodes family. As a final note, Stan can find you the perfect Rhodes > probably at a price you can afford. > > Chris Geankoplis > S/V Enosis > S/V Mudita (maybe) > > On Mon, 23 Nov 2020 at 17:18, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > > Michael, > > When we had our Rhodes on the Chesapeake the biggest problem with the > > 175 was in chop and light air because it was so heavy. On the other hand > > in 6-10 knots the boat came alive with the 175. We solved the problem by > > getting a Doyle UPS (essentially a cruising spinnaker but you can sail > > on higher points of sail with it) which mounted on its own luff behind > > the regular jib and had it's own furler. It required and extra halyard > > and you had to put it up and take it down for every use but it was so > > much fun that we didn't mind. In heavy air the partially furled 175 did > > ok because we had genoa tracks on the cabin top and beside the cabin as > > well as the track along the cockpit. This gave us lots of sheeting > > options and because we alsways sailed with two of us on board, we could > > switch from one to the other underway. > > > > Best wishes with your new endeavor. > > > > Mary Lou > > ex Rhodes 22 > > now Rosborough RF-246 > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Nov 23 20:30:54 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 19:30:54 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount In-Reply-To: References: <048D2C48-BFC6-459E-867F-54E307110BD2@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Yup On Mon, Nov 23, 2020, 1:00 PM Steven Alm wrote: > Did my post with photos come through? > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM Steven Alm wrote: > > > Ric. > > > > On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:07 PM Steven Alm wrote: > > > >> Ric. > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:06 PM Steven Alm > wrote: > >> > >>> Ric, > >>> My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic, > >>> Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted > to the > >>> transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. > There > >>> are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the > >>> starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts > do. > >>> The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the > >>> picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white > >>> strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the > hull. > >>> It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra > spacer. > >>> (This is my second attempt. First one with three pics was too large, so > >>> I'll send separately.) > >>> > >>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:01 PM Steven Alm > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Ric, > >>>> My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic, > >>>> Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted > to the > >>>> transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. > There > >>>> are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the > >>>> starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side > bolts do. > >>>> The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the > >>>> picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or > white > >>>> strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the > hull. > >>>> It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra > spacer. > >>>> Hope my pics come through: > >>>> > >>>> "Slim" > >>>> Fandango > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 9:00 AM Ric Stott > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Steven > >>>>> I?m glad my pics came through. > >>>>> Yours a looks more like Cary?s than mine. > >>>>> You both have have plastic outside of the U channel. > >>>>> I think mine rails are screwed to the transom using screws from the > >>>>> laz, that is, the inside of the transom - directly into the plastic > strips > >>>>> on the inside of my rails. > >>>>> I have a 1/2 plastic running vertical on the inside of each U > channel. > >>>>> The StarBoard or whatever that is, decreases the dept of the u > channel > >>>>> by 1/2?, so there is only a 1/2? channel to hold the motor on the > boat. > >>>>> The mount and transom was very weak in the area and the whole transom > >>>>> flexed - even in the area the rails attached, which hold have > stiffened it > >>>>> vertically at least. > >>>>> > >>>>> I like your set up better and will move in that direction. > >>>>> It appears that your Plastic strips are screwed into the transom at > >>>>> like- 3? o.c. > >>>>> The material looks to be about 3/4? x 1? - can you confirm that for > >>>>> me? > >>>>> Are those thru bolts? > >>>>> What is the backing behind the transom? > >>>>> How are the U channels fastened to the Plastic strips on each side? > >>>>> Thanks - that?s alotta questions. > >>>>> Ric Dadventure > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > >>>>> www.stottarchitecture.com > >>>>> Office 631-283-1777 > >>>>> Cell 516-965-3164 > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Cary Tolbert > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> > Thanks Steven. It does look similar to my tracks. Less secure than > I > >>>>> would > >>>>> > have thought. Your track looks to be longer than my set up. > >>>>> > Thanks again for the help. > >>>>> > Cary > >>>>> > S/V Whisper > >>>>> > > >>>>> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 8:56 AM Steven Alm > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > > >>>>> >> My boat is a 1990 but probably similar vintage motor lift. The > >>>>> stopper is > >>>>> >> only on the starboard side track with is longer than the port > side. > >>>>> It is > >>>>> >> not through-bolted to the transom and just unscrews. The bolt is > >>>>> covered > >>>>> >> with a plastic or composite bushing. > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM Richard Stott < > >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com> > >>>>> >> wrote: > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >>> Nabble is a PITA > >>>>> >>> Here are some pics. > >>>>> >>> Westmarine mount is temporary. > >>>>> >>> The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8? apart - out to out. > >>>>> >>> My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail. > >>>>> >>> But -They will not extend past the top of the transom. > >>>>> >>> It will be manual. > >>>>> >>> The stops are simple 1/4? aluminum bolts at the bottom of the > >>>>> rails. > >>>>> >>> More to follow > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > >>>>> >>> www.stottarchitecture.com > >>>>> >>> Office 631-283-1777 > >>>>> >>> Cell 516-965-3164 > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert < > retiredtoby at gmail.com> > >>>>> >> wrote: > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> Thanks Rob > >>>>> >>>> There is a good reason for asking questions. The more brains > the > >>>>> >> better. > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob wrote: > >>>>> >>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Cary, > >>>>> >>>>> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea. Any > >>>>> grease > >>>>> >>>>> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear. > I > >>>>> >> think a > >>>>> >>>>> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would > >>>>> want to > >>>>> >>> use. - > >>>>> >>>>> Rob > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> ________________________________ > >>>>> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list on > >>>>> behalf of > >>>>> >>>>> Cary Tolbert > >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM > >>>>> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>>>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the > same > >>>>> >> mount. > >>>>> >>>>> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the > >>>>> >>>>> dimensions that would put me in business. > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da > List. > >>>>> Does > >>>>> >>>>> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as > >>>>> lubricant > >>>>> >> on a > >>>>> >>>>> track. I am thinking of the rails of the motor lift. > >>>>> >>>>> Cary > >>>>> >>>>> Whisper > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott < > >>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com> > >>>>> >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> Cory > >>>>> >>>>>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level > >>>>> up > >>>>> >> from > >>>>> >>>>>> mine. My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. > >>>>> There is > >>>>> >> a > >>>>> >>>>>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel, > >>>>> bottom > >>>>> >>> to > >>>>> >>>>>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I > can. > >>>>> >>>>>> Ric > >>>>> >>>>>> Dadventure > >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>> ?The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll > >>>>> pull the > >>>>> >>>>>> trigger > >>>>> >>>>>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan. > >>>>> >>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert < > >>>>> retiredtoby at gmail.com > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its > >>>>> life. That > >>>>> >>>>>> system > >>>>> >>>>>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one > on > >>>>> my > >>>>> >> 86. > >>>>> >>>>>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with > >>>>> all > >>>>> >>>>>> electrical > >>>>> >>>>>>>> controls. > >>>>> >>>>>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be? > >>>>> >>>>>>>> Cary > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn < > lvjkuhn at gmail.com > >>>>> > > >>>>> >>> wrote: > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Gary, > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE > >>>>> will > >>>>> >>>>> help. > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Might need to enlarge. Seems like a variety of stops might > >>>>> work. > >>>>> >>>>> Good > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> luck! > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Lee > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> No Boat Yet > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert < > >>>>> >>> retiredtoby at gmail.com > >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes. My > boat > >>>>> was > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> apparently hit > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able > >>>>> to > >>>>> >>>>> salvage > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> most > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing > >>>>> patterns of > >>>>> >>>>> the > >>>>> >>>>>>>> old > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> parts. > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I > >>>>> have no > >>>>> >>>>> idea > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> what > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very > >>>>> >> helpful. > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am > >>>>> guessing any > >>>>> >>>>> boat > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> from > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up. Ric I am > >>>>> glad you > >>>>> >>>>> can > >>>>> >>>>>>>> now > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we > >>>>> have the > >>>>> >>>>> same > >>>>> >>>>>>>> set > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops? > Stan > >>>>> said, > >>>>> >>> he > >>>>> >>>>>> no > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. > >>>>> So I > >>>>> >> must > >>>>> >>>>>>>> rely > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> on > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next > >>>>> season. > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I > found > >>>>> >> three > >>>>> >>>>>>>> 1/4 > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt > >>>>> was > >>>>> >>>>> sheared > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> into > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> two pieces. > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help, > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86 > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side.jpg > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1770484 bytes > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment.jpg > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Top.jpg > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1804873 bytes > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0001.jpg > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Name: Motor Lift Side Top.jpg > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Size: 1845462 bytes > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> URL: < > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201114/c7f75d52/attachment-0002.jpg > >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>> >> Name: IMG_0648.jpg > >>>>> >> Type: image/jpg > >>>>> >> Size: 1942916 bytes > >>>>> >> Desc: not available > >>>>> >> URL: < > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201117/5e697346/attachment.jpg > >>>>> >>> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> > >>>>> > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon Nov 23 22:58:57 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2020 22:58:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606155400104-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Tom, There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from when we were initially talking about the sail. (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle actually sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A search of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more of what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker and could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye on the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach to. The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The attached photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day when we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with the UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and took our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is generally > so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an archive link > to appease my curiosity in the details? > > .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more than 15 > minutes!! > > I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we are for > this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart people, and > it's just... swell. > > Smooth sailing, > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: aerial1 - web.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 160983 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be nice to have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later. Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that you added for your UPS sail? I saw your setup where you added a pad eye to your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos. Thanks, Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy wrote: > Hi Tom, > There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from > when we were initially talking about the sail. > (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle actually > sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A search > of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more of > what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker and > could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the > sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye on > the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach to. > > The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The attached > photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day when > we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern > Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with the > UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and took > our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22 > now Rosborough RF-246 > > On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is > generally > > so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an archive > link > > to appease my curiosity in the details? > > > > .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more than > 15 > > minutes!! > > > > I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we are > for > > this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart people, and > > it's just... swell. > > > > Smooth sailing, > > > > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: aerial1 - web.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 160983 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: aerial4 - web.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 171722 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: aerial6 web.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 157452 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0002.jpg > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 08:14:40 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 07:14:40 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer In-Reply-To: <795A7829-182B-46C4-A231-56D734EBDB8F@stottarchitecture.com> References: <01ea01d6be11$b79cb3f0$26d61bd0$@ca> <001d01d6be82$77a05330$66e0f990$@ca> <795A7829-182B-46C4-A231-56D734EBDB8F@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric, thanks for the idea about using the "auganiza" as an attachment point for a boom vang. I had been using a line of dyneema through a cleat on the mast with bowlines on either end, but it uses some space around the cleat. Now I have an alternative attachment point for the times when I want to use the vang. As Graham might say, I just have to remember to try that next season :) Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 8:52 AM Richard Stott wrote: > What organizer? > Where does that thing go again? > > On Long Island, its an auganiza. > > Dadventure > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > On Nov 19, 2020, at 9:44 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > > > Yea. Right. Thanks Ric. I thought I must have had something in mind > when I got the organizer. I just have to remember now where I put your > message when it comes time to rig it. > > > > Graham Stewart > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I use the free version of Spam Reader to get rid of spam. The > Professional version doesn't have this disclaimer in outgoing emails. > > Try Spam Reader (http://www.spam-reader.com) for free now! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of Ric Stott > > Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2020 8:15 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer > > > > Hey Graham > > Besides feeling organized and yachtly, > > I think you were going to attach a boom bang to that thing and maybe a > Cunningham too eh? > > Ric > > Dadventure. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Nov 18, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Graham Stewart > wrote: > >> > >> ?Jesse: > >> At the time I bought it I had a clear idea of how I planned to use the > organizer but now I can't remember what it was. I ordered a sail pac and I > think I wanted to run lines back to the cockpit and didn't want to bolt any > hardware to the deck that could be avoided. Maybe it will all come back to > me when I launch next spring. On the other hand, by that time I might not > remember my name. > >> > >> Graham Stewart > >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > >> Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2020 7:44 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] cutting mast step heldyard organizer > >> > >> Nice work Graham, thanks for sharing. Just curious, how are you > >> planning to use your organizer? I installed mine last week as part of > >> changes or the rigging to emulate some of Peter's setup. Fortunately > >> the one I ordered only had the tabs on port and starboard so I didn't > >> have to cut anything off. > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 6:11 PM Graham Stewart > wrote: > >>> > >>> A few months back there was a discussion about halyard mast-step > >>> organizers and whether one needed to go to a machine shop to remove > >>> one of the tabs. I had already bought an organizer with the extra tab > >>> at the front and did not fancy paying as much to have the ta cut off > >>> as the item cost in the first place. > >>> > >>> Today I set about to see if I could cut it off with my home tools. As > >>> it turned out it was pretty easy. I used my cordless Ryobi > >>> reciprocating saw > >>> (20V) with a fresh metal cutting blade and had no trouble cutting off > >>> the tab. I then dressed the edge with my bench grinder and finished > >>> it off with a hand file. Given that the stainless steel was 1/8" > >>> thick I was surprised that it went so easily. Maybe the steel was > >>> poor quality. For what it is worth... > >>> > >>> Graham Stewart > >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >>> Kingston Ontario > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 08:39:41 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 07:39:41 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606155400104-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is to mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay. Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you found it helpful? Also, for those that have the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a dual headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going downwind? It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have to worry about an accidental jibe. I suppose it may be helpful/necessary to have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS sail. > Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye > placement behind the forestay? I'm adding a plate as a base for a bow > roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm working > on this project. All of this will be through bolted to a backing plate on > the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately > supported. I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be nice to > have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later. > > Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that you > added for your UPS sail? I saw your setup where you added a pad eye to > your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos. > > Thanks, > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy > wrote: > >> Hi Tom, >> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from >> when we were initially talking about the sail. >> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle actually >> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A search >> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more of >> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker and >> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the >> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye on >> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach to. >> >> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The attached >> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day when >> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern >> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with the >> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and took >> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. >> >> Mary Lou >> ex Rhodes 22 >> now Rosborough RF-246 >> >> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> > I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is >> generally >> > so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an archive >> link >> > to appease my curiosity in the details? >> > >> > .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more than >> 15 >> > minutes!! >> > >> > I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we are >> for >> > this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart people, and >> > it's just... swell. >> > >> > Smooth sailing, >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: aerial1 - web.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 160983 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment.jpg >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: aerial4 - web.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 171722 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0001.jpg >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: aerial6 web.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 157452 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0002.jpg >> > >> > From mike at traildesign.com Tue Nov 24 09:48:44 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 09:48:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the strategy of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability." That's brilliant! Thank you for sharing your knowledge Roger. Mike Riter SV Emma B On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 6:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM > stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since 1987 > and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of experimentation. > The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron > sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% genoa > made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. > Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar scrim, > and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to take > full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 roller > furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the > mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a reef > in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with the > leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, you > must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a gust or > helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster than > you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration and > the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so much > acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really quite > addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat to > sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to drive the > boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the wind > builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will enable > maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of constant > required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the genoa > down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough that the > autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind forward > of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as the > Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining > reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < 110%, the > mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > > In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, > either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the strategy > of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce > weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > > Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, > punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and > tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa was cut > too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed down > to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this was > with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a foam > luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as well. > But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never found the > 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 10:19:08 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 09:19:08 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned some configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than round up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns in cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather up into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read the water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have been occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure if you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. We always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM > stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since 1987 > and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of experimentation. > The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron > sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% genoa > made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. > Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar scrim, > and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to take > full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 roller > furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the > mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a reef > in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with the > leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, you > must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a gust or > helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster than > you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration and > the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so much > acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really quite > addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat to > sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to drive the > boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the wind > builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will enable > maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of constant > required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the genoa > down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough that the > autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind forward > of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as the > Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining > reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < 110%, the > mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > > In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, > either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the strategy > of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce > weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > > Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, > punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and > tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa was cut > too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed down > to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this was > with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a foam > luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as well. > But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never found the > 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Nov 24 10:37:50 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 10:37:50 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5AD17143-975D-433F-92D5-B3A451ABF29F@stottarchitecture.com> For the last sail of the season, we took my cousins out and had dinner at a local marine service restaurant. We order take out and eat on the boat with the cockpit table - it's perfect. On the way back, the wind had picked up and was right on the nose of course. It was a beautiful full moon and the sailing could not have been better. When we all arrived home and were talking about our evening, my cousins daughter mentioned how cute it was when my wife started ?praying? in Italian. I had to tell her - - - that what she heard was not a prayer. My wife was cursing a litany of Italian curse words at me for healing too much. So I?ve been conditioned to ease the main sheet whenever I hear Italian. It?s no wonder that when I visit Italy, I can?t get my mind off sailing! Ciao! Buon Thanksgiving!!! Ric Dadventure Hampton Bays Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned some > configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than round > up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns in > cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather up > into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read the > water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have been > occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure if > you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. We > always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM >> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since 1987 >> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of experimentation. >> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron >> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% genoa >> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. >> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar scrim, >> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to take >> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 roller >> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the >> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a reef >> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with the >> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, you >> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a gust or >> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster than >> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration and >> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so much >> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really quite >> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat to >> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to drive the >> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the wind >> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will enable >> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of constant >> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the genoa >> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough that the >> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind forward >> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as the >> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining >> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < 110%, the >> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >> >> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, >> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the strategy >> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce >> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >> >> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, >> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and >> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa was cut >> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed down >> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this was >> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a foam >> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as well. >> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never found the >> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From jamcando126 at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 11:02:55 2020 From: jamcando126 at gmail.com (John McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 11:02:55 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat for sale Message-ID: If anyone is looking for a project R22 w/6hp four stroke/ no trailer let me know if your interested. I?m sell for $2,500. and will be used to maintain and upgrade My R22 Tomato Sloop. Tks John 609-385-7039 From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Tue Nov 24 11:02:59 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 11:02:59 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <1605993922135-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606155400104-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was probably faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on wing but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference. We used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit of track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but we never did it. As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets. I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an issue was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and didn't really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous for me to go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it with the main. Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle because it was so lightweight. I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought one. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is to > mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay. > > Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you found > it helpful? > > Also, for those that have the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a dual > headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going > downwind? It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have to > worry about an accidental jibe. I suppose it may be helpful/necessary to > have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS sail. >> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye >> placement behind the forestay? I'm adding a plate as a base for a bow >> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm working >> on this project. All of this will be through bolted to a backing plate on >> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately >> supported. I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be nice to >> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later. >> >> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that you >> added for your UPS sail? I saw your setup where you added a pad eye to >> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos. >> >> Thanks, >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Tom, >>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from >>> when we were initially talking about the sail. >>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle actually >>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A search >>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more of >>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker and >>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the >>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye on >>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach to. >>> >>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The attached >>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day when >>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern >>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with the >>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and took >>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. >>> >>> Mary Lou >>> ex Rhodes 22 >>> now Rosborough RF-246 >>> >>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is >>> generally >>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an archive >>> link >>>> to appease my curiosity in the details? >>>> >>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more than >>> 15 >>>> minutes!! >>>> >>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we are >>> for >>>> this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart people, and >>>> it's just... swell. >>>> >>>> Smooth sailing, >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: aerial1 - web.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 160983 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment.jpg >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: aerial4 - web.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 171722 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0001.jpg >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: aerial6 web.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 157452 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0002.jpg -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sailing twin 2005 1 - web.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 169650 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sailing twin 2005 4.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 159514 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sailing twin 2005 5.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 159373 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mitchpadl at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 11:29:37 2020 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 11:29:37 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <951A8B98-D85A-432F-8E85-A3F6709DB2B9@gmail.com> That?s looks like an interesting set up. Visibility looks a little iffy. I?d probably end up t-boning someone.? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > ?We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was probably faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on wing but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference. We used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit of track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but we never did it. > > As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets. > > I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an issue was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and didn't really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous for me to go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it with the main. Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle because it was so lightweight. > > I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought one. > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22 > now Rosborough RF-246 > > > > > >> On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: >> Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is to >> mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay. >> >> Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you found >> it helpful? >> >> Also, for those that have the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a dual >> headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going >> downwind? It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have to >> worry about an accidental jibe. I suppose it may be helpful/necessary to >> have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case. >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS sail. >>> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye >>> placement behind the forestay? I'm adding a plate as a base for a bow >>> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm working >>> on this project. All of this will be through bolted to a backing plate on >>> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately >>> supported. I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be nice to >>> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later. >>> >>> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that you >>> added for your UPS sail? I saw your setup where you added a pad eye to >>> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Tom, >>>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from >>>> when we were initially talking about the sail. >>>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle actually >>>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A search >>>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more of >>>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker and >>>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the >>>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye on >>>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach to. >>>> >>>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The attached >>>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day when >>>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern >>>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with the >>>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and took >>>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. >>>> >>>> Mary Lou >>>> ex Rhodes 22 >>>> now Rosborough RF-246 >>>> >>>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >>>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is >>>> generally >>>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an archive >>>> link >>>>> to appease my curiosity in the details? >>>>> >>>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more than >>>> 15 >>>>> minutes!! >>>>> >>>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we are >>>> for >>>>> this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart people, and >>>>> it's just... swell. >>>>> >>>>> Smooth sailing, >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: aerial1 - web.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 160983 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: < >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment.jpg >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: aerial4 - web.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 171722 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: < >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0001.jpg >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: aerial6 web.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 157452 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: < >>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: sailing twin 2005 1 - web.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 169650 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: sailing twin 2005 4.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 159514 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: sailing twin 2005 5.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 159373 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 11:43:06 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 11:43:06 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: <5AD17143-975D-433F-92D5-B3A451ABF29F@stottarchitecture.com> References: <5AD17143-975D-433F-92D5-B3A451ABF29F@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric, LOL Regards, Rick Lange On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 10:37 AM Richard Stott wrote: > For the last sail of the season, we took my cousins out and had dinner at > a local marine service restaurant. > We order take out and eat on the boat with the cockpit table - it's > perfect. > On the way back, the wind had picked up and was right on the nose of > course. > It was a beautiful full moon and the sailing could not have been better. > When we all arrived home and were talking about our evening, my cousins > daughter mentioned how cute it was when my wife started ?praying? in > Italian. > I had to tell her - - - that what she heard was not a prayer. > My wife was cursing a litany of Italian curse words at me for healing too > much. > So I?ve been conditioned to ease the main sheet whenever I hear Italian. > It?s no wonder that when I visit Italy, I can?t get my mind off sailing! > Ciao! > Buon Thanksgiving!!! > Ric > Dadventure > Hampton Bays > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned some > > configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than > round > > up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns in > > cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather up > > into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read the > > water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have been > > occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure if > > you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. > We > > always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM > >> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since > 1987 > >> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of > experimentation. > >> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron > >> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% genoa > >> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. > >> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar > scrim, > >> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to take > >> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 > roller > >> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the > >> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a > reef > >> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with > the > >> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, > you > >> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a > gust or > >> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster > than > >> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration > and > >> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so > much > >> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really > quite > >> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat > to > >> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to drive > the > >> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the > wind > >> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will > enable > >> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of constant > >> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the > genoa > >> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough that > the > >> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind > forward > >> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as the > >> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining > >> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < 110%, > the > >> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > >> > >> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, > >> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the > strategy > >> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce > >> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > >> > >> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, > >> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and > >> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa was > cut > >> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed > down > >> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this was > >> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a > foam > >> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as > well. > >> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never found > the > >> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Nov 24 12:02:14 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 17:02:14 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Jesse, Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told them it only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and they?d scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that dad was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness over my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get tossed into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned some > configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than round > up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns in > cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather up > into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read the > water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have been > occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure if > you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. We > always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Hi All, >> >> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM >> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since 1987 >> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of experimentation. >> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron >> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% genoa >> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. >> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar scrim, >> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to take >> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 roller >> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the >> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a reef >> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with the >> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, you >> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a gust or >> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster than >> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration and >> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so much >> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really quite >> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat to >> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to drive the >> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the wind >> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will enable >> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of constant >> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the genoa >> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough that the >> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind forward >> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as the >> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining >> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < 110%, the >> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >> >> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, >> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the strategy >> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce >> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >> >> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, >> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and >> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa was cut >> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed down >> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this was >> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a foam >> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as well. >> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never found the >> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From oehecht at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 15:42:32 2020 From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 15:42:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: <951A8B98-D85A-432F-8E85-A3F6709DB2B9@gmail.com> References: <951A8B98-D85A-432F-8E85-A3F6709DB2B9@gmail.com> Message-ID: Mary Lou?s old sail is still fun! On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mitch Mitchell wrote: > That?s looks like an interesting set up. Visibility looks a little iffy. > I?d probably end up t-boning someone.? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Mary Lou Troy > wrote: > > > > ?We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was > probably faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on > wing but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The > photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the > one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference. We > used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit of > track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but we > never did it. > > > > As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the > mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets. > > > > I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down > but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an issue > was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and didn't > really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous for me to > go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it with the main. > Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle because it was so > lightweight. > > > > I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group > talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought > one. > > > > Mary Lou > > ex Rhodes 22 > > now Rosborough RF-246 > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > >> Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is > to > >> mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay. > >> > >> Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you > found > >> it helpful? > >> > >> Also, for those that have the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a dual > >> headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going > >> downwind? It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have > to > >> worry about an accidental jibe. I suppose it may be helpful/necessary > to > >> have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case. > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS sail. > >>> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye > >>> placement behind the forestay? I'm adding a plate as a base for a bow > >>> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm > working > >>> on this project. All of this will be through bolted to a backing > plate on > >>> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately > >>> supported. I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be > nice to > >>> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later. > >>> > >>> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that you > >>> added for your UPS sail? I saw your setup where you added a pad eye to > >>> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Jesse Shumaker > >>> S/V Zephyr > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Tom, > >>>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from > >>>> when we were initially talking about the sail. > >>>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle actually > >>>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A > search > >>>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more > of > >>>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker > and > >>>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the > >>>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye on > >>>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach > to. > >>>> > >>>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The > attached > >>>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day > when > >>>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern > >>>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with > the > >>>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and took > >>>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. > >>>> > >>>> Mary Lou > >>>> ex Rhodes 22 > >>>> now Rosborough RF-246 > >>>> > >>>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > >>>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is > >>>> generally > >>>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an archive > >>>> link > >>>>> to appease my curiosity in the details? > >>>>> > >>>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more > than > >>>> 15 > >>>>> minutes!! > >>>>> > >>>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we > are > >>>> for > >>>>> this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart people, > and > >>>>> it's just... swell. > >>>>> > >>>>> Smooth sailing, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> Name: aerial1 - web.jpg > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>> Size: 160983 bytes > >>>> Desc: not available > >>>> URL: < > >>>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment.jpg > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> Name: aerial4 - web.jpg > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>> Size: 171722 bytes > >>>> Desc: not available > >>>> URL: < > >>>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0001.jpg > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> Name: aerial6 web.jpg > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>> Size: 157452 bytes > >>>> Desc: not available > >>>> URL: < > >>>> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > > -- > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: sailing twin 2005 1 - web.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 169650 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: sailing twin 2005 4.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 159514 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: sailing twin 2005 5.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 159373 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment-0002.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Visibility looks a little iffy. > > I?d probably end up t-boning someone.? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Mary Lou Troy > > wrote: > > > > > > ?We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was > > probably faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on > > wing but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The > > photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the > > one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference. > We > > used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit of > > track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but we > > never did it. > > > > > > As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the > > mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets. > > > > > > I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down > > but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an > issue > > was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and didn't > > really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous for me > to > > go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it with the > main. > > Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle because it was > so > > lightweight. > > > > > > I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group > > talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought > > one. > > > > > > Mary Lou > > > ex Rhodes 22 > > > now Rosborough RF-246 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > >> Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is > > to > > >> mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay. > > >> > > >> Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you > > found > > >> it helpful? > > >> > > >> Also, for those that have the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a > dual > > >> headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going > > >> downwind? It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have > > to > > >> worry about an accidental jibe. I suppose it may be helpful/necessary > > to > > >> have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case. > > >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > >> S/V Zephyr > > >> > > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker < > > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS > sail. > > >>> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye > > >>> placement behind the forestay? I'm adding a plate as a base for a > bow > > >>> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm > > working > > >>> on this project. All of this will be through bolted to a backing > > plate on > > >>> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately > > >>> supported. I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be > > nice to > > >>> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later. > > >>> > > >>> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that > you > > >>> added for your UPS sail? I saw your setup where you added a pad eye > to > > >>> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Jesse Shumaker > > >>> S/V Zephyr > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hi Tom, > > >>>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from > > >>>> when we were initially talking about the sail. > > >>>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle > actually > > >>>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A > > search > > >>>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more > > of > > >>>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker > > and > > >>>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the > > >>>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye > on > > >>>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach > > to. > > >>>> > > >>>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The > > attached > > >>>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day > > when > > >>>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern > > >>>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with > > the > > >>>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and > took > > >>>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. > > >>>> > > >>>> Mary Lou > > >>>> ex Rhodes 22 > > >>>> now Rosborough RF-246 > > >>>> > > >>>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > >>>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is > > >>>> generally > > >>>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an > archive > > >>>> link > > >>>>> to appease my curiosity in the details? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more > > than > > >>>> 15 > > >>>>> minutes!! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we > > are > > >>>> for > > >>>>> this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart > people, > > and > > >>>>> it's just... swell. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Smooth sailing, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>> Name: aerial1 - web.jpg > > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>> Size: 160983 bytes > > >>>> Desc: not available > > >>>> URL: < > > >>>> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment.jpg > > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>> Name: aerial4 - web.jpg > > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>> Size: 171722 bytes > > >>>> Desc: not available > > >>>> URL: < > > >>>> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0001.jpg > > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>> Name: aerial6 web.jpg > > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>> Size: 157452 bytes > > >>>> Desc: not available > > >>>> URL: < > > >>>> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: sailing twin 2005 1 - web.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 169650 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: sailing twin 2005 4.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 159514 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: sailing twin 2005 5.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 159373 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6234.jpeg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 613539 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/976d017e/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_3521.jpeg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 418370 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/976d017e/attachment-0001.jpg > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 16:10:26 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 15:10:26 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of wearing safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr to a very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures for Zephyr in my future! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Jesse, > > Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were > learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both > regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park > ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told them it > only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! > When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and they?d > scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that dad > was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness over > my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get tossed > into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned some > > configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than > round > > up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns in > > cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather up > > into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read the > > water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have been > > occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure if > > you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. > We > > always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Hi All, > >> > >> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM > >> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since > 1987 > >> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of > experimentation. > >> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron > >> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% genoa > >> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. > >> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar > scrim, > >> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to take > >> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 > roller > >> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the > >> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a > reef > >> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with > the > >> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, > you > >> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a > gust or > >> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster > than > >> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration > and > >> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so > much > >> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really > quite > >> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat > to > >> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to drive > the > >> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the > wind > >> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will > enable > >> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of constant > >> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the > genoa > >> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough that > the > >> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind > forward > >> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as the > >> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining > >> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < 110%, > the > >> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > >> > >> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, > >> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the > strategy > >> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce > >> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > >> > >> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, > >> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and > >> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa was > cut > >> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed > down > >> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this was > >> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a > foam > >> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as > well. > >> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never found > the > >> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 16:39:16 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 16:39:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Although my limit is now 15 knots and 3 foot waves, I've discovered a single jackline laid midships is better than jacklines along each gunwale. Regards, Rick Lange On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 4:10 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of wearing > safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr to a > very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures for > Zephyr in my future! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Jesse, > > > > Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were > > learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both > > regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park > > ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told them > it > > only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! > > When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and they?d > > scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that dad > > was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness over > > my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get tossed > > into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned > some > > > configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than > > round > > > up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns > in > > > cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather > up > > > into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read > the > > > water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have > been > > > occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure > if > > > you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. > > We > > > always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM > > >> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since > > 1987 > > >> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of > > experimentation. > > >> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron > > >> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% > genoa > > >> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. > > >> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar > > scrim, > > >> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to > take > > >> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 > > roller > > >> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the > > >> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a > > reef > > >> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with > > the > > >> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, > > you > > >> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a > > gust or > > >> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster > > than > > >> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration > > and > > >> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so > > much > > >> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really > > quite > > >> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat > > to > > >> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to > drive > > the > > >> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the > > wind > > >> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will > > enable > > >> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of > constant > > >> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the > > genoa > > >> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough > that > > the > > >> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind > > forward > > >> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as > the > > >> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining > > >> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < > 110%, > > the > > >> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > > >> > > >> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, > > >> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the > > strategy > > >> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce > > >> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > > >> > > >> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, > > >> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and > > >> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa > was > > cut > > >> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed > > down > > >> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this > was > > >> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a > > foam > > >> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as > > well. > > >> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never > found > > the > > >> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > > >> > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >> > > >> Sent from Mail for > > >> Windows 10 > > >> > > >> > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Nov 24 17:04:01 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 22:04:01 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Jesse, We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit floor. It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the cabin and lazarette compartment bulkheads. Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck port and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to the base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness tether has a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip the carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or leave the cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get anywhere in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you unclip from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck you are going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast or on the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang onto. We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on deck and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since everyone wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t always count on fair winds! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhones > On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of wearing > safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr to a > very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures for > Zephyr in my future! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >> >> Jesse, >> >> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were >> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both >> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park >> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told them it >> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! >> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and they?d >> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that dad >> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness over >> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get tossed >> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned some >>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than >> round >>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns in >>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather up >>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read the >>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have been >>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure if >>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. >> We >>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! >>> >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM >>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since >> 1987 >>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of >> experimentation. >>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron >>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% genoa >>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. >>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar >> scrim, >>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to take >>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 >> roller >>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the >>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a >> reef >>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with >> the >>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, >> you >>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a >> gust or >>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster >> than >>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration >> and >>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so >> much >>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really >> quite >>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat >> to >>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to drive >> the >>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the >> wind >>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will >> enable >>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of constant >>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the >> genoa >>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough that >> the >>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind >> forward >>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as the >>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining >>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < 110%, >> the >>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >>>> >>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, >>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the >> strategy >>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce >>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >>>> >>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, >>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and >>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa was >> cut >>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed >> down >>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this was >>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a >> foam >>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as >> well. >>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never found >> the >>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for >>>> Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >> From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Nov 24 17:09:50 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 16:09:50 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pics Roger? Sounds good. We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Jesse, > > We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit floor. > It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the cabin > and lazarette compartment bulkheads. > Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck port > and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to the > base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness tether has > a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip the > carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or leave the > cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get anywhere > in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you unclip > from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck you are > going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness > tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast or on > the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang onto. > > We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on deck > and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since everyone > wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. > > 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t always > count on fair winds! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhones > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of wearing > > safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr to > a > > very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures for > > Zephyr in my future! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >> > >> Jesse, > >> > >> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were > >> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both > >> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park > >> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told them > it > >> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! > >> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and > they?d > >> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that > dad > >> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness > over > >> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get > tossed > >> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned > some > >>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than > >> round > >>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns > in > >>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather > up > >>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read > the > >>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have > been > >>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure > if > >>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. > >> We > >>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > >>> > >>> Jesse Shumaker > >>> S/V Zephyr > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM > >>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since > >> 1987 > >>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of > >> experimentation. > >>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron > >>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% > genoa > >>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. > >>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar > >> scrim, > >>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to > take > >>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 > >> roller > >>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the > >>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a > >> reef > >>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with > >> the > >>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, > >> you > >>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a > >> gust or > >>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster > >> than > >>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration > >> and > >>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so > >> much > >>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really > >> quite > >>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat > >> to > >>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to > drive > >> the > >>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the > >> wind > >>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will > >> enable > >>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of > constant > >>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the > >> genoa > >>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough > that > >> the > >>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind > >> forward > >>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as > the > >>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining > >>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < > 110%, > >> the > >>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > >>>> > >>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, > >>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the > >> strategy > >>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce > >>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > >>>> > >>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, > >>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and > >>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa > was > >> cut > >>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed > >> down > >>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this > was > >>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a > >> foam > >>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as > >> well. > >>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never > found > >> the > >>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > >>>> > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>> > >>>> Sent from Mail for > >>>> Windows 10 > >>>> > >>>> > >> > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Nov 24 17:34:50 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 22:34:50 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Tom, Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don?t think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It?s a pretty standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never thought to take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds in the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. residents, the price is right, especially considering it?s secure indoor storage. But, I don?t have access to the boat until next spring. This winter?s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and under cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) and delaminating on my boat. I?ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table and doors several times. But, so far, he hasn?t responded to my queries. I?d like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn?t respond, what can you do? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. > > We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. > There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Jesse, >> >> We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit floor. >> It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the cabin >> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. >> Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck port >> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to the >> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness tether has >> a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip the >> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or leave the >> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get anywhere >> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you unclip >> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck you are >> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness >> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast or on >> the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang onto. >> >> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on deck >> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since everyone >> wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. >> >> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t always >> count on fair winds! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhones >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of wearing >>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr to >> a >>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures for >>> Zephyr in my future! >>> >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Jesse, >>>> >>>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were >>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both >>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park >>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told them >> it >>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! >>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and >> they?d >>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that >> dad >>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness >> over >>>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get >> tossed >>>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned >> some >>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than >>>> round >>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns >> in >>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather >> up >>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read >> the >>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have >> been >>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure >> if >>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. >>>> We >>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! >>>>> >>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM >>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since >>>> 1987 >>>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of >>>> experimentation. >>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron >>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% >> genoa >>>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. >>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar >>>> scrim, >>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to >> take >>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 >>>> roller >>>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the >>>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a >>>> reef >>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with >>>> the >>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, >>>> you >>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a >>>> gust or >>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster >>>> than >>>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration >>>> and >>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so >>>> much >>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really >>>> quite >>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat >>>> to >>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to >> drive >>>> the >>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the >>>> wind >>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will >>>> enable >>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of >> constant >>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the >>>> genoa >>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough >> that >>>> the >>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind >>>> forward >>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as >> the >>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining >>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < >> 110%, >>>> the >>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >>>>>> >>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, >>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the >>>> strategy >>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce >>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, >>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and >>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa >> was >>>> cut >>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed >>>> down >>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this >> was >>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a >>>> foam >>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as >>>> well. >>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never >> found >>>> the >>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Mail for >>>>>> Windows 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> From sea20 at verizon.net Tue Nov 24 17:57:41 2020 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 17:57:41 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Richard thanks, my wife is Italian and laughed at you story and says she will gladly cuss me in Italian if I have too much fun in heavy wind. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of wearing > safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr to a > very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures for > Zephyr in my future! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >> >> Jesse, >> >> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were >> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both >> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park >> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told them it >> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! >> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and they?d >> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that dad >> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness over >> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get tossed >> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned some >>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than >> round >>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns in >>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather up >>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read the >>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have been >>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure if >>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. >> We >>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! >>> >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM >>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since >> 1987 >>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of >> experimentation. >>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron >>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% genoa >>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. >>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar >> scrim, >>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to take >>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 >> roller >>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the >>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a >> reef >>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with >> the >>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, >> you >>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a >> gust or >>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster >> than >>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration >> and >>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so >> much >>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really >> quite >>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat >> to >>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to drive >> the >>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the >> wind >>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will >> enable >>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of constant >>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the >> genoa >>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough that >> the >>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind >> forward >>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as the >>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining >>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < 110%, >> the >>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >>>> >>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, >>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the >> strategy >>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce >>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >>>> >>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, >>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and >>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa was >> cut >>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed >> down >>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this was >>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a >> foam >>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as >> well. >>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never found >> the >>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for >>>> Windows 10 >>>> >>>> >> From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Tue Nov 24 17:59:44 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 17:59:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <951A8B98-D85A-432F-8E85-A3F6709DB2B9@gmail.com> Message-ID: So good to hear! Thanks for the photos Olivier! ML On 11/24/2020 3:42 PM, Olivier Hecht wrote: > Mary Lou?s old sail is still fun! > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mitch Mitchell wrote: > >> That?s looks like an interesting set up. Visibility looks a little iffy. >> I?d probably end up t-boning someone.? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Mary Lou Troy >> wrote: >>> ?We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was >> probably faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on >> wing but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The >> photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the >> one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference. We >> used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit of >> track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but we >> never did it. >>> As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the >> mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets. >>> I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down >> but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an issue >> was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and didn't >> really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous for me to >> go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it with the main. >> Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle because it was so >> lightweight. >>> I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group >> talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought >> one. >>> Mary Lou >>> ex Rhodes 22 >>> now Rosborough RF-246 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: >>>> Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is >> to >>>> mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay. >>>> >>>> Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you >> found >>>> it helpful? >>>> >>>> Also, for those that have the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a dual >>>> headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going >>>> downwind? It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have >> to >>>> worry about an accidental jibe. I suppose it may be helpful/necessary >> to >>>> have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case. >>>> >>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>> S/V Zephyr >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker < >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS sail. >>>>> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye >>>>> placement behind the forestay? I'm adding a plate as a base for a bow >>>>> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm >> working >>>>> on this project. All of this will be through bolted to a backing >> plate on >>>>> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately >>>>> supported. I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be >> nice to >>>>> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later. >>>>> >>>>> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that you >>>>> added for your UPS sail? I saw your setup where you added a pad eye to >>>>> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from >>>>>> when we were initially talking about the sail. >>>>>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle actually >>>>>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A >> search >>>>>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more >> of >>>>>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker >> and >>>>>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the >>>>>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye on >>>>>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach >> to. >>>>>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The >> attached >>>>>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day >> when >>>>>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern >>>>>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with >> the >>>>>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and took >>>>>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mary Lou >>>>>> ex Rhodes 22 >>>>>> now Rosborough RF-246 >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >>>>>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is >>>>>> generally >>>>>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an archive >>>>>> link >>>>>>> to appease my curiosity in the details? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more >> than >>>>>> 15 >>>>>>> minutes!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we >> are >>>>>> for >>>>>>> this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart people, >> and >>>>>>> it's just... swell. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Smooth sailing, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: aerial1 - web.jpg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 160983 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: < >>>>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment.jpg >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: aerial4 - web.jpg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 171722 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: < >>>>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0001.jpg >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: aerial6 web.jpg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 157452 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: < >>>>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0002.jpg >>> >>> >>> -- >>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: sailing twin 2005 1 - web.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 169650 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment.jpg >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: sailing twin 2005 4.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 159514 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment-0001.jpg >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: sailing twin 2005 5.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 159373 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment-0002.jpg > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6234.jpeg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 613539 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_3521.jpeg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 418370 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Nov 24 18:24:23 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 18:24:23 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wise words well spoken. Ric Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:04 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Jesse, > > We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit floor. It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the cabin and lazarette compartment bulkheads. > Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck port and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to the base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness tether has a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip the carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or leave the cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get anywhere in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you unclip from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck you are going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast or on the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang onto. > > We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on deck and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since everyone wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. > > 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t always count on fair winds! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhones >> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: >> >> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of wearing >> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr to a >> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures for >> Zephyr in my future! >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> >>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >>> wrote: >>> >>> Jesse, >>> >>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were >>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both >>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park >>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told them it >>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! >>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and they?d >>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that dad >>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness over >>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get tossed >>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned some >>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than >>> round >>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns in >>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather up >>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read the >>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have been >>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure if >>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. >>> We >>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! >>>> >>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>> S/V Zephyr >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM >>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since >>> 1987 >>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of >>> experimentation. >>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron >>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% genoa >>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. >>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar >>> scrim, >>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to take >>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 >>> roller >>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the >>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a >>> reef >>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with >>> the >>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, >>> you >>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a >>> gust or >>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster >>> than >>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration >>> and >>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so >>> much >>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really >>> quite >>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat >>> to >>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to drive >>> the >>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the >>> wind >>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will >>> enable >>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of constant >>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the >>> genoa >>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough that >>> the >>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind >>> forward >>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as the >>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining >>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < 110%, >>> the >>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >>>>> >>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, >>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the >>> strategy >>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce >>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >>>>> >>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, >>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and >>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa was >>> cut >>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed >>> down >>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this was >>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a >>> foam >>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as >>> well. >>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never found >>> the >>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >>>>> >>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for >>>>> Windows 10 >>>>> >>>>> >>> From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Nov 24 18:30:48 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 17:30:48 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe someone handy can still cut stan a % and help meet demand. I am asking for a planer table for Xmas and could make table tops pretty easy whence I have good straight stock. And we all know Peter is retired and has a great workshop, lol. On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:34 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Tom, > > Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don?t > think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It?s a pretty > standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never thought to > take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds in > the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. residents, > the price is right, especially considering it?s secure indoor storage. > But, I don?t have access to the boat until next spring. > > This winter?s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and under > cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) and > delaminating on my boat. I?ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table and > doors several times. But, so far, he hasn?t responded to my queries. I?d > like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn?t > respond, what can you do? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. > > > > We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. > > There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! > > > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Jesse, > >> > >> We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit > floor. > >> It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the > cabin > >> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. > >> Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck port > >> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to the > >> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness tether > has > >> a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip > the > >> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or leave > the > >> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get > anywhere > >> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you unclip > >> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck you > are > >> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness > >> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast > or on > >> the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang > onto. > >> > >> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on deck > >> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since everyone > >> wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. > >> > >> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t always > >> count on fair winds! > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from my iPhones > >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of > wearing > >>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr > to > >> a > >>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures > for > >>> Zephyr in my future! > >>> > >>> Jesse Shumaker > >>> S/V Zephyr > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Jesse, > >>>> > >>>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were > >>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both > >>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park > >>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told > them > >> it > >>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! > >>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and > >> they?d > >>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that > >> dad > >>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness > >> over > >>>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get > >> tossed > >>>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. > >>>> > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned > >> some > >>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than > >>>> round > >>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any > knockdowns > >> in > >>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather > >> up > >>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read > >> the > >>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have > >> been > >>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't > sure > >> if > >>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your > note. > >>>> We > >>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > >>>>> > >>>>> Jesse Shumaker > >>>>> S/V Zephyr > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < > Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi All, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not > OEM > >>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since > >>>> 1987 > >>>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of > >>>> experimentation. > >>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD > dacron > >>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% > >> genoa > >>>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial > construction. > >>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar > >>>> scrim, > >>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to > >> take > >>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 > >>>> roller > >>>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower > the > >>>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to > put a > >>>> reef > >>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed > with > >>>> the > >>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. > However, > >>>> you > >>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a > >>>> gust or > >>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water > faster > >>>> than > >>>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this > configuration > >>>> and > >>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so > >>>> much > >>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really > >>>> quite > >>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the > boat > >>>> to > >>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to > >> drive > >>>> the > >>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As > the > >>>> wind > >>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will > >>>> enable > >>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of > >> constant > >>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing > the > >>>> genoa > >>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough > >> that > >>>> the > >>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind > >>>> forward > >>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as > >> the > >>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still > maintaining > >>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < > >> 110%, > >>>> the > >>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort > first, > >>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the > >>>> strategy > >>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will > reduce > >>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, > >>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising > and > >>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa > >> was > >>>> cut > >>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed > >>>> down > >>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this > >> was > >>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and > a > >>>> foam > >>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as > >>>> well. > >>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never > >> found > >>>> the > >>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from Mail for > >>>>>> Windows 10 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >> > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Nov 24 20:51:21 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2020 20:51:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We always wear our safety harnesses on over night crossings and if we are in holly shit stuff too. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Tue, 24 Nov 2020 at 16:10, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of wearing > safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr to a > very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures for > Zephyr in my future! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Jesse, > > > > Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were > > learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both > > regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park > > ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told them > it > > only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! > > When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and they?d > > scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that dad > > was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness over > > my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get tossed > > into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned > some > > > configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than > > round > > > up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns > in > > > cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather > up > > > into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read > the > > > water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have > been > > > occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure > if > > > you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. > > We > > > always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi All, > > >> > > >> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM > > >> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since > > 1987 > > >> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of > > experimentation. > > >> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron > > >> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% > genoa > > >> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. > > >> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar > > scrim, > > >> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to > take > > >> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 > > roller > > >> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the > > >> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a > > reef > > >> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with > > the > > >> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, > > you > > >> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a > > gust or > > >> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster > > than > > >> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration > > and > > >> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so > > much > > >> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really > > quite > > >> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat > > to > > >> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to > drive > > the > > >> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the > > wind > > >> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will > > enable > > >> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of > constant > > >> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the > > genoa > > >> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough > that > > the > > >> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind > > forward > > >> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as > the > > >> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining > > >> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < > 110%, > > the > > >> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > > >> > > >> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, > > >> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the > > strategy > > >> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce > > >> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > > >> > > >> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, > > >> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and > > >> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa > was > > cut > > >> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed > > down > > >> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this > was > > >> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a > > foam > > >> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as > > well. > > >> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never > found > > the > > >> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > > >> > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >> > > >> Sent from Mail for > > >> Windows 10 > > >> > > >> > > > From borderfolle at yahoo.com Tue Nov 24 23:16:49 2020 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 04:16:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <951A8B98-D85A-432F-8E85-A3F6709DB2B9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <48282366.846732.1606277809402@mail.yahoo.com> I bought my first Rhodes from Stan in 1981. A few years later I bought a cruising spinnaker from Hild Sails in City Island, NY. I have attached a photo. They were eventually purchased by Doyle. I seem to remember using this sail with and without a whisker pole. I think I may have attached the tack to the bow cleat with a length of line. Too bad I don't still have that sail. Don Simons, Ithaca, NY On Tuesday, November 24, 2020, 03:42:50 PM EST, Olivier Hecht wrote: Mary Lou?s old sail is still fun! On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mitch Mitchell wrote: > That?s looks like an interesting set up. Visibility looks a little iffy. > I?d probably end up t-boning someone.? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Mary Lou Troy > wrote: > > > > ?We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was > probably faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on > wing but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The > photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the > one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference. We > used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit of > track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but we > never did it. > > > > As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the > mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets. > > > > I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down > but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an issue > was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and didn't > really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous for me to > go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it with the main. > Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle because it was so > lightweight. > > > > I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group > talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought > one. > > > > Mary Lou > > ex Rhodes 22 > > now Rosborough RF-246 > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > >> Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is > to > >> mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay. > >> > >> Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you > found > >> it helpful? > >> > >> Also, for those that have? the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a dual > >> headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going > >> downwind?? It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have > to > >> worry about an accidental jibe.? I suppose it may be helpful/necessary > to > >> have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case. > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >>> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS sail. > >>> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye > >>> placement behind the forestay?? I'm adding a plate as a base for a bow > >>> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm > working > >>> on this project.? All of this will be through bolted to a backing > plate on > >>> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately > >>> supported.? I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be > nice to > >>> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later. > >>> > >>> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that you > >>> added for your UPS sail?? I saw your setup where you added a pad eye to > >>> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Jesse Shumaker > >>> S/V Zephyr > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi Tom, > >>>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from > >>>> when we were initially talking about the sail. > >>>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle actually > >>>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A > search > >>>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more > of > >>>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker > and > >>>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the > >>>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye on > >>>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach > to. > >>>> > >>>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The > attached > >>>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day > when > >>>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern > >>>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with > the > >>>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and took > >>>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. > >>>> > >>>> Mary Lou > >>>> ex Rhodes 22 > >>>> now Rosborough RF-246 > >>>> > >>>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > >>>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is > >>>> generally > >>>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol? Anyone have an archive > >>>> link > >>>>> to appease my curiosity in the details? > >>>>> > >>>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more > than > >>>> 15 > >>>>> minutes!! > >>>>> > >>>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we > are > >>>> for > >>>>> this community.? 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Name: IMG_6234.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 613539 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_3521.jpeg Type: image/jpg Size: 418370 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Cruising Spinnaker.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 497986 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Nov 25 07:17:32 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 12:17:32 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: I thought about a safety tether system using a jack line on the centerline of the boat. But, on the bow, you have the issue of how to anchor the end so it doesn?t interfere with roller furler. In my case, I suppose I could have anchored the bow end of the jack line to a thru-bolted padeye I installed for the tack on my cruising spinnaker. It?s far enough aft of the bow to not interfere with the roller furler and it?s control line. Going aft, you could anchor the jack line to the halyard organizer at the mast step. But, I want to be able to clip onto the jack line before I leave the cockpit and having the jack line end at the mast step leaves several hazardous steps with no connected safety harness. Aft of the mast step, you are kind of out of good options. You can?t anchor the jack line to anything on the pop top because it?s not fastened down and not HD enough anyway. If you go all the way aft to the stern pulpit, then the jack line runs down the length of the cockpit right at chest level, plus it interferes with the boom vang, the tiller, the mainsheet traveler, and mainsheets to say nothing of the crew. By running my jack lines up the port and starboard side decks from the cockpit to the base of the bow pulpit, I avoid all these issues. The only disadvantage to my system is that if you go over on the side you are clipped into, the tether has quite a bit of slack and can leave you hanging. But my railings are 30? high and I go forward in a crouch so I stay low. Of course, you normally go forward on the windward side of the boat. So, as long as the boat doesn?t broach, you are likely to be OK. A jack line running up the centerline would be ideal. So, inquiring minds want to know, how did you rig a jack line on the centerline of your Rhodes 22? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 5:34 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects Tom, Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don?t think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It?s a pretty standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never thought to take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds in the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. residents, the price is right, especially considering it?s secure indoor storage. But, I don?t have access to the boat until next spring. This winter?s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and under cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) and delaminating on my boat. I?ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table and doors several times. But, so far, he hasn?t responded to my queries. I?d like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn?t respond, what can you do? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. > > We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. > There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Jesse, >> >> We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit floor. >> It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the cabin >> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. >> Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck port >> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to the >> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness tether has >> a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip the >> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or leave the >> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get anywhere >> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you unclip >> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck you are >> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness >> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast or on >> the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang onto. >> >> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on deck >> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since everyone >> wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. >> >> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t always >> count on fair winds! >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhones >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of wearing >>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr to >> a >>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures for >>> Zephyr in my future! >>> >>> Jesse Shumaker >>> S/V Zephyr >>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Jesse, >>>> >>>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were >>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both >>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park >>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told them >> it >>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! >>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and >> they?d >>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that >> dad >>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness >> over >>>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get >> tossed >>>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned >> some >>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than >>>> round >>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any knockdowns >> in >>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather >> up >>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read >> the >>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have >> been >>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't sure >> if >>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your note. >>>> We >>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! >>>>> >>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>> >>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not OEM >>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since >>>> 1987 >>>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of >>>> experimentation. >>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD dacron >>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% >> genoa >>>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial construction. >>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar >>>> scrim, >>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to >> take >>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 >>>> roller >>>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower the >>>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to put a >>>> reef >>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed with >>>> the >>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. However, >>>> you >>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a >>>> gust or >>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water faster >>>> than >>>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this configuration >>>> and >>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so >>>> much >>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really >>>> quite >>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the boat >>>> to >>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to >> drive >>>> the >>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As the >>>> wind >>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will >>>> enable >>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of >> constant >>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing the >>>> genoa >>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough >> that >>>> the >>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind >>>> forward >>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as >> the >>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still maintaining >>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < >> 110%, >>>> the >>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >>>>>> >>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort first, >>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the >>>> strategy >>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will reduce >>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, >>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising and >>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa >> was >>>> cut >>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed >>>> down >>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this >> was >>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and a >>>> foam >>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as >>>> well. >>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never >> found >>>> the >>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Mail for >>>>>> Windows 10 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 13:51:16 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 13:51:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: <48282366.846732.1606277809402@mail.yahoo.com> References: <951A8B98-D85A-432F-8E85-A3F6709DB2B9@gmail.com> <48282366.846732.1606277809402@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have a UPS and hardly ever use it. For convenience and power, the 175 genny beats it cold on every tack except running fully downwind. In that case, if it is at least a 30 minute run in less than 10 knots of wind, I hoist the UPS and set it wing-on-wing with the genny. Regards, Rick Lange On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:16 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I bought my first Rhodes from Stan in 1981. A few years later I bought a > cruising spinnaker from Hild Sails in City Island, NY. I have attached a > photo. They were eventually purchased by Doyle. I seem to remember using > this sail with and without a whisker pole. I think I may have attached the > tack to the bow cleat with a length of line. Too bad I don't still have > that sail. > > Don Simons, > Ithaca, NY On Tuesday, November 24, 2020, 03:42:50 PM EST, Olivier > Hecht wrote: > > Mary Lou?s old sail is still fun! > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mitch Mitchell > wrote: > > > That?s looks like an interesting set up. Visibility looks a little iffy. > > I?d probably end up t-boning someone.? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Mary Lou Troy > > wrote: > > > > > > ?We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was > > probably faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on > > wing but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The > > photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the > > one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference. > We > > used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit of > > track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but we > > never did it. > > > > > > As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the > > mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets. > > > > > > I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down > > but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an > issue > > was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and didn't > > really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous for me > to > > go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it with the > main. > > Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle because it was > so > > lightweight. > > > > > > I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group > > talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought > > one. > > > > > > Mary Lou > > > ex Rhodes 22 > > > now Rosborough RF-246 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > >> Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is > > to > > >> mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay. > > >> > > >> Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you > > found > > >> it helpful? > > >> > > >> Also, for those that have the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a > dual > > >> headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going > > >> downwind? It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have > > to > > >> worry about an accidental jibe. I suppose it may be helpful/necessary > > to > > >> have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case. > > >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > >> S/V Zephyr > > >> > > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker < > > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > >> > > >>> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS > sail. > > >>> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye > > >>> placement behind the forestay? I'm adding a plate as a base for a > bow > > >>> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm > > working > > >>> on this project. All of this will be through bolted to a backing > > plate on > > >>> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately > > >>> supported. I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be > > nice to > > >>> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later. > > >>> > > >>> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that > you > > >>> added for your UPS sail? I saw your setup where you added a pad eye > to > > >>> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos. > > >>> > > >>> Thanks, > > >>> Jesse Shumaker > > >>> S/V Zephyr > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hi Tom, > > >>>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from > > >>>> when we were initially talking about the sail. > > >>>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle > actually > > >>>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A > > search > > >>>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more > > of > > >>>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker > > and > > >>>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the > > >>>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye > on > > >>>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach > > to. > > >>>> > > >>>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The > > attached > > >>>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day > > when > > >>>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern > > >>>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with > > the > > >>>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and > took > > >>>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. > > >>>> > > >>>> Mary Lou > > >>>> ex Rhodes 22 > > >>>> now Rosborough RF-246 > > >>>> > > >>>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > >>>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is > > >>>> generally > > >>>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an > archive > > >>>> link > > >>>>> to appease my curiosity in the details? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more > > than > > >>>> 15 > > >>>>> minutes!! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we > > are > > >>>> for > > >>>>> this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart > people, > > and > > >>>>> it's just... swell. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Smooth sailing, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>> Name: aerial1 - web.jpg > > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>> Size: 160983 bytes > > >>>> Desc: not available > > >>>> URL: < > > >>>> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment.jpg > > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>> Name: aerial4 - web.jpg > > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>> Size: 171722 bytes > > >>>> Desc: not available > > >>>> URL: < > > >>>> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0001.jpg > > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>> Name: aerial6 web.jpg > > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>> Size: 157452 bytes > > >>>> Desc: not available > > >>>> URL: < > > >>>> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > > > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: sailing twin 2005 1 - web.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 169650 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: sailing twin 2005 4.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 159514 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: sailing twin 2005 5.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 159373 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_6234.jpeg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 613539 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/976d017e/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_3521.jpeg > Type: image/jpg > Size: 418370 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/976d017e/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Cruising Spinnaker.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 497986 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201125/5f51d636/attachment.jpg > > > From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 14:01:30 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:01:30 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Over the past few years the couple who write a newsletter "Affordable Adventures" discussed ways to run a Jackline down the center of a boat. Basically they run two shorter jacklines from the cockpit to the mast and then one from the mast to the bow. You hook on in the cockpit, go forward till you have to change lines when you get as far as the mast. Good discussion https://www.morganscloud.com/2015/12/05/person-overboard-better-jackline-systems/ --Reuben Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:17 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > I thought about a safety tether system using a jack line on the centerline > of the boat. But, on the bow, you have the issue of how to anchor the end > so it doesn?t interfere with roller furler. In my case, I suppose I could > have anchored the bow end of the jack line to a thru-bolted padeye I > installed for the tack on my cruising spinnaker. It?s far enough aft of > the bow to not interfere with the roller furler and it?s control line. > Going aft, you could anchor the jack line to the halyard organizer at the > mast step. But, I want to be able to clip onto the jack line before I > leave the cockpit and having the jack line end at the mast step leaves > several hazardous steps with no connected safety harness. Aft of the mast > step, you are kind of out of good options. You can?t anchor the jack line > to anything on the pop top because it?s not fastened down and not HD enough > anyway. If you go all the way aft to the stern pulpit, then the jack line > runs down the length of the cockpit right at chest level, plus it > interferes with the boom vang, the tiller, the mainsheet traveler, and > mainsheets to say nothing of the crew. > > By running my jack lines up the port and starboard side decks from the > cockpit to the base of the bow pulpit, I avoid all these issues. The only > disadvantage to my system is that if you go over on the side you are > clipped into, the tether has quite a bit of slack and can leave you > hanging. But my railings are 30? high and I go forward in a crouch so I > stay low. Of course, you normally go forward on the windward side of the > boat. So, as long as the boat doesn?t broach, you are likely to be OK. > > A jack line running up the centerline would be ideal. So, inquiring minds > want to know, how did you rig a jack line on the centerline of your Rhodes > 22? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 5:34 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects > > Tom, > > Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don?t > think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It?s a pretty > standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never thought to > take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds in > the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. residents, > the price is right, especially considering it?s secure indoor storage. > But, I don?t have access to the boat until next spring. > > This winter?s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and under > cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) and > delaminating on my boat. I?ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table and > doors several times. But, so far, he hasn?t responded to my queries. I?d > like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn?t > respond, what can you do? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. > > > > We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. > > There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! > > > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Jesse, > >> > >> We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit > floor. > >> It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the > cabin > >> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. > >> Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck port > >> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to the > >> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness tether > has > >> a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip > the > >> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or leave > the > >> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get > anywhere > >> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you unclip > >> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck you > are > >> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness > >> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast > or on > >> the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang > onto. > >> > >> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on deck > >> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since everyone > >> wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. > >> > >> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t always > >> count on fair winds! > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from my iPhones > >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of > wearing > >>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr > to > >> a > >>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures > for > >>> Zephyr in my future! > >>> > >>> Jesse Shumaker > >>> S/V Zephyr > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Jesse, > >>>> > >>>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were > >>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both > >>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park > >>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told > them > >> it > >>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! > >>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and > >> they?d > >>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that > >> dad > >>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness > >> over > >>>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get > >> tossed > >>>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. > >>>> > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned > >> some > >>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than > >>>> round > >>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any > knockdowns > >> in > >>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather > >> up > >>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read > >> the > >>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have > >> been > >>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't > sure > >> if > >>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your > note. > >>>> We > >>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > >>>>> > >>>>> Jesse Shumaker > >>>>> S/V Zephyr > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < > Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi All, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not > OEM > >>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since > >>>> 1987 > >>>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of > >>>> experimentation. > >>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD > dacron > >>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% > >> genoa > >>>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial > construction. > >>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar > >>>> scrim, > >>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to > >> take > >>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 > >>>> roller > >>>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower > the > >>>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to > put a > >>>> reef > >>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed > with > >>>> the > >>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. > However, > >>>> you > >>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a > >>>> gust or > >>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water > faster > >>>> than > >>>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this > configuration > >>>> and > >>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so > >>>> much > >>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really > >>>> quite > >>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the > boat > >>>> to > >>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to > >> drive > >>>> the > >>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As > the > >>>> wind > >>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will > >>>> enable > >>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of > >> constant > >>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing > the > >>>> genoa > >>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough > >> that > >>>> the > >>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind > >>>> forward > >>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as > >> the > >>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still > maintaining > >>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < > >> 110%, > >>>> the > >>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort > first, > >>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the > >>>> strategy > >>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will > reduce > >>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, > >>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising > and > >>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa > >> was > >>>> cut > >>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed > >>>> down > >>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this > >> was > >>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and > a > >>>> foam > >>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as > >>>> well. > >>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never > >> found > >>>> the > >>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from Mail for > >>>>>> Windows 10 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >> > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 14:27:20 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:27:20 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Reuben, I hook the jackline to the traveller bar, take it once around the mast and tie it to the bow cleat. With a double 3', 6' tether, I have all the freedom of movement I need. Regards, Rick Lange On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 1:59 PM Reuben Mezrich wrote: > Over the past few years the couple who write a newsletter "Affordable > Adventures" discussed ways to run a Jackline down the center of a boat. > Basically they run two shorter jacklines from the cockpit to the mast and > then one from the mast to the bow. You hook on in the cockpit, go forward > till you have to change lines when you get as far as the mast. > Good discussion > > https://www.morganscloud.com/2015/12/05/person-overboard-better-jackline-systems/ > > --Reuben > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:17 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > I thought about a safety tether system using a jack line on the > centerline > > of the boat. But, on the bow, you have the issue of how to anchor the > end > > so it doesn?t interfere with roller furler. In my case, I suppose I > could > > have anchored the bow end of the jack line to a thru-bolted padeye I > > installed for the tack on my cruising spinnaker. It?s far enough aft of > > the bow to not interfere with the roller furler and it?s control line. > > Going aft, you could anchor the jack line to the halyard organizer at > the > > mast step. But, I want to be able to clip onto the jack line before I > > leave the cockpit and having the jack line end at the mast step leaves > > several hazardous steps with no connected safety harness. Aft of the > mast > > step, you are kind of out of good options. You can?t anchor the jack > line > > to anything on the pop top because it?s not fastened down and not HD > enough > > anyway. If you go all the way aft to the stern pulpit, then the jack > line > > runs down the length of the cockpit right at chest level, plus it > > interferes with the boom vang, the tiller, the mainsheet traveler, and > > mainsheets to say nothing of the crew. > > > > By running my jack lines up the port and starboard side decks from the > > cockpit to the base of the bow pulpit, I avoid all these issues. The > only > > disadvantage to my system is that if you go over on the side you are > > clipped into, the tether has quite a bit of slack and can leave you > > hanging. But my railings are 30? high and I go forward in a crouch so I > > stay low. Of course, you normally go forward on the windward side of the > > boat. So, as long as the boat doesn?t broach, you are likely to be OK. > > > > A jack line running up the centerline would be ideal. So, inquiring > minds > > want to know, how did you rig a jack line on the centerline of your > Rhodes > > 22? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 5:34 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects > > > > Tom, > > > > Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don?t > > think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It?s a pretty > > standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never thought > to > > take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds in > > the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. residents, > > the price is right, especially considering it?s secure indoor storage. > > But, I don?t have access to the boat until next spring. > > > > This winter?s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and under > > cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) and > > delaminating on my boat. I?ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table > and > > doors several times. But, so far, he hasn?t responded to my queries. > I?d > > like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn?t > > respond, what can you do? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. > > > > > > We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. > > > There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! > > > > > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Jesse, > > >> > > >> We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit > > floor. > > >> It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the > > cabin > > >> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. > > >> Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck > port > > >> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to > the > > >> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness > tether > > has > > >> a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip > > the > > >> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or > leave > > the > > >> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get > > anywhere > > >> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you > unclip > > >> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck > you > > are > > >> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness > > >> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast > > or on > > >> the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang > > onto. > > >> > > >> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on > deck > > >> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since > everyone > > >> wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. > > >> > > >> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t > always > > >> count on fair winds! > > >> > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >> > > >> Sent from my iPhones > > >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of > > wearing > > >>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr > > to > > >> a > > >>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures > > for > > >>> Zephyr in my future! > > >>> > > >>> Jesse Shumaker > > >>> S/V Zephyr > > >>> > > >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < > roger_pihlaja at msn.com > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> Jesse, > > >>>> > > >>>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons > were > > >>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they > both > > >>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement > park > > >>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told > > them > > >> it > > >>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are > posted! > > >>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and > > >> they?d > > >>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand > that > > >> dad > > >>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness > > >> over > > >>>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get > > >> tossed > > >>>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. > > >>>> > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > > >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned > > >> some > > >>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather > than > > >>>> round > > >>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any > > knockdowns > > >> in > > >>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or > feather > > >> up > > >>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to > read > > >> the > > >>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have > > >> been > > >>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't > > sure > > >> if > > >>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your > > note. > > >>>> We > > >>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Jesse Shumaker > > >>>>> S/V Zephyr > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < > > Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> > > >>>> wrote: > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Hi All, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not > > OEM > > >>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat > since > > >>>> 1987 > > >>>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of > > >>>> experimentation. > > >>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD > > dacron > > >>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% > > >> genoa > > >>>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial > > construction. > > >>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a > Kevlar > > >>>> scrim, > > >>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to > > >> take > > >>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 > > >>>> roller > > >>>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower > > the > > >>>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to > > put a > > >>>> reef > > >>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed > > with > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. > > However, > > >>>> you > > >>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because > a > > >>>> gust or > > >>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water > > faster > > >>>> than > > >>>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this > > configuration > > >>>> and > > >>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause > so > > >>>> much > > >>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s > really > > >>>> quite > > >>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the > > boat > > >>>> to > > >>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to > > >> drive > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As > > the > > >>>> wind > > >>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail > will > > >>>> enable > > >>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of > > >> constant > > >>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing > > the > > >>>> genoa > > >>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough > > >> that > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind > > >>>> forward > > >>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small > as > > >> the > > >>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still > > maintaining > > >>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < > > >> 110%, > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort > > first, > > >>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the > > >>>> strategy > > >>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will > > reduce > > >>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the > summer, > > >>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising > > and > > >>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% > genoa > > >> was > > >>>> cut > > >>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be > reefed > > >>>> down > > >>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember > this > > >> was > > >>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels > and > > a > > >>>> foam > > >>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do > as > > >>>> well. > > >>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never > > >> found > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Sent from Mail > for > > >>>>>> Windows 10 > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>> > > >> > > > > > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Wed Nov 25 14:52:42 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 14:52:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa In-Reply-To: References: <951A8B98-D85A-432F-8E85-A3F6709DB2B9@gmail.com> <48282366.846732.1606277809402@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Now that's the difference in where you sail. We sailed a lot in very light air on the Chesapeake, air that would not keep the 175 full. We really like the UPS for that and for when we we dealing with light air and a lot of powerboat chop. Much of our sailing was done in less than 10 knots. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246 On 11/25/2020 1:51 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > I have a UPS and hardly ever use it. For convenience and power, the 175 > genny beats it cold on every tack except running fully downwind. In that > case, if it is at least a 30 minute run in less than 10 knots of wind, I > hoist the UPS and set it wing-on-wing with the genny. > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:16 PM Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >> I bought my first Rhodes from Stan in 1981. A few years later I bought a >> cruising spinnaker from Hild Sails in City Island, NY. I have attached a >> photo. They were eventually purchased by Doyle. I seem to remember using >> this sail with and without a whisker pole. I think I may have attached the >> tack to the bow cleat with a length of line. Too bad I don't still have >> that sail. >> >> Don Simons, >> Ithaca, NY On Tuesday, November 24, 2020, 03:42:50 PM EST, Olivier >> Hecht wrote: >> >> Mary Lou?s old sail is still fun! >> >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mitch Mitchell >> wrote: >> >>> That?s looks like an interesting set up. Visibility looks a little iffy. >>> I?d probably end up t-boning someone.? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Mary Lou Troy >>> wrote: >>>> ?We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was >>> probably faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on >>> wing but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The >>> photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the >>> one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference. >> We >>> used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit of >>> track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but we >>> never did it. >>>> As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the >>> mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets. >>>> I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down >>> but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an >> issue >>> was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and didn't >>> really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous for me >> to >>> go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it with the >> main. >>> Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle because it was >> so >>> lightweight. >>>> I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group >>> talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought >>> one. >>>> Mary Lou >>>> ex Rhodes 22 >>>> now Rosborough RF-246 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: >>>>> Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is >>> to >>>>> mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay. >>>>> >>>>> Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you >>> found >>>>> it helpful? >>>>> >>>>> Also, for those that have the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a >> dual >>>>> headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going >>>>> downwind? It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have >>> to >>>>> worry about an accidental jibe. I suppose it may be helpful/necessary >>> to >>>>> have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case. >>>>> >>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker < >>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS >> sail. >>>>>> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye >>>>>> placement behind the forestay? I'm adding a plate as a base for a >> bow >>>>>> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm >>> working >>>>>> on this project. All of this will be through bolted to a backing >>> plate on >>>>>> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately >>>>>> supported. I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be >>> nice to >>>>>> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later. >>>>>> >>>>>> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that >> you >>>>>> added for your UPS sail? I saw your setup where you added a pad eye >> to >>>>>> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>>>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from >>>>>>> when we were initially talking about the sail. >>>>>>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle >> actually >>>>>>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A >>> search >>>>>>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more >>> of >>>>>>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker >>> and >>>>>>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the >>>>>>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye >> on >>>>>>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach >>> to. >>>>>>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The >>> attached >>>>>>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day >>> when >>>>>>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern >>>>>>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with >>> the >>>>>>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and >> took >>>>>>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mary Lou >>>>>>> ex Rhodes 22 >>>>>>> now Rosborough RF-246 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >>>>>>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is >>>>>>> generally >>>>>>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol Anyone have an >> archive >>>>>>> link >>>>>>>> to appease my curiosity in the details? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more >>> than >>>>>>> 15 >>>>>>>> minutes!! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we >>> are >>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> this community. We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart >> people, >>> and >>>>>>>> it's just... swell. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Smooth sailing, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> Name: aerial1 - web.jpg >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>> Size: 160983 bytes >>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>> URL: < >>>>>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment.jpg >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> Name: aerial4 - web.jpg >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>> Size: 171722 bytes >>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>> URL: < >>>>>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0001.jpg >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> Name: aerial6 web.jpg >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>> Size: 157452 bytes >>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>> URL: < >>>>>>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201123/9ead4a85/attachment-0002.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: sailing twin 2005 1 - web.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 169650 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment.jpg >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: sailing twin 2005 4.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 159514 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment-0001.jpg >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: sailing twin 2005 5.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 159373 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/da980464/attachment-0002.jpg >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_6234.jpeg >> Type: image/jpg >> Size: 613539 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/976d017e/attachment.jpg >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_3521.jpeg >> Type: image/jpg >> Size: 418370 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201124/976d017e/attachment-0001.jpg >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Cruising Spinnaker.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 497986 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201125/5f51d636/attachment.jpg From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Nov 25 15:18:45 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 20:18:45 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Reuben, OK, what about the bow jack line not following the contour of the foredeck and cabin doghouse? In other words, if the jack line is pulled taut enough from the bow back to the mast to be of any use keeping you on board; then, it will have to angle up from the bow to clear the leading edge of the cabin doghouse. Isn?t this jack line a trip hazard on the foredeck? I can see how the port and starboard jack lines could be anchored to the halyard organizer at the mast step. But, what did you attach them to at the cockpit so they didn?t block access to the side decks? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 25, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Reuben Mezrich wrote: > > ?Over the past few years the couple who write a newsletter "Affordable > Adventures" discussed ways to run a Jackline down the center of a boat. > Basically they run two shorter jacklines from the cockpit to the mast and > then one from the mast to the bow. You hook on in the cockpit, go forward > till you have to change lines when you get as far as the mast. > Good discussion > https://www.morganscloud.com/2015/12/05/person-overboard-better-jackline-systems/ > > --Reuben > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:17 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> I thought about a safety tether system using a jack line on the centerline >> of the boat. But, on the bow, you have the issue of how to anchor the end >> so it doesn?t interfere with roller furler. In my case, I suppose I could >> have anchored the bow end of the jack line to a thru-bolted padeye I >> installed for the tack on my cruising spinnaker. It?s far enough aft of >> the bow to not interfere with the roller furler and it?s control line. >> Going aft, you could anchor the jack line to the halyard organizer at the >> mast step. But, I want to be able to clip onto the jack line before I >> leave the cockpit and having the jack line end at the mast step leaves >> several hazardous steps with no connected safety harness. Aft of the mast >> step, you are kind of out of good options. You can?t anchor the jack line >> to anything on the pop top because it?s not fastened down and not HD enough >> anyway. If you go all the way aft to the stern pulpit, then the jack line >> runs down the length of the cockpit right at chest level, plus it >> interferes with the boom vang, the tiller, the mainsheet traveler, and >> mainsheets to say nothing of the crew. >> >> By running my jack lines up the port and starboard side decks from the >> cockpit to the base of the bow pulpit, I avoid all these issues. The only >> disadvantage to my system is that if you go over on the side you are >> clipped into, the tether has quite a bit of slack and can leave you >> hanging. But my railings are 30? high and I go forward in a crouch so I >> stay low. Of course, you normally go forward on the windward side of the >> boat. So, as long as the boat doesn?t broach, you are likely to be OK. >> >> A jack line running up the centerline would be ideal. So, inquiring minds >> want to know, how did you rig a jack line on the centerline of your Rhodes >> 22? >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 5:34 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects >> >> Tom, >> >> Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don?t >> think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It?s a pretty >> standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never thought to >> take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds in >> the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. residents, >> the price is right, especially considering it?s secure indoor storage. >> But, I don?t have access to the boat until next spring. >> >> This winter?s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and under >> cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) and >> delaminating on my boat. I?ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table and >> doors several times. But, so far, he hasn?t responded to my queries. I?d >> like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn?t >> respond, what can you do? >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule < >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >>> >>> ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. >>> >>> We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. >>> There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! >>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Jesse, >>>> >>>> We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit >> floor. >>>> It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the >> cabin >>>> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. >>>> Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck port >>>> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to the >>>> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness tether >> has >>>> a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip >> the >>>> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or leave >> the >>>> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get >> anywhere >>>> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you unclip >>>> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck you >> are >>>> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness >>>> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast >> or on >>>> the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang >> onto. >>>> >>>> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on deck >>>> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since everyone >>>> wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. >>>> >>>> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t always >>>> count on fair winds! >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhones >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of >> wearing >>>>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr >> to >>>> a >>>>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures >> for >>>>> Zephyr in my future! >>>>> >>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jesse, >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons were >>>>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they both >>>>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement park >>>>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told >> them >>>> it >>>>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are posted! >>>>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and >>>> they?d >>>>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand that >>>> dad >>>>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness >>>> over >>>>>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get >>>> tossed >>>>>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >>>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned >>>> some >>>>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather than >>>>>> round >>>>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any >> knockdowns >>>> in >>>>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or feather >>>> up >>>>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to read >>>> the >>>>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have >>>> been >>>>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't >> sure >>>> if >>>>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your >> note. >>>>>> We >>>>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < >> Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not >> OEM >>>>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat since >>>>>> 1987 >>>>>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of >>>>>> experimentation. >>>>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD >> dacron >>>>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% >>>> genoa >>>>>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial >> construction. >>>>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a Kevlar >>>>>> scrim, >>>>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to >>>> take >>>>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 >>>>>> roller >>>>>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower >> the >>>>>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to >> put a >>>>>> reef >>>>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed >> with >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. >> However, >>>>>> you >>>>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because a >>>>>> gust or >>>>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water >> faster >>>>>> than >>>>>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this >> configuration >>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause so >>>>>> much >>>>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s really >>>>>> quite >>>>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the >> boat >>>>>> to >>>>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to >>>> drive >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As >> the >>>>>> wind >>>>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail will >>>>>> enable >>>>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of >>>> constant >>>>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing >> the >>>>>> genoa >>>>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough >>>> that >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind >>>>>> forward >>>>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small as >>>> the >>>>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still >> maintaining >>>>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < >>>> 110%, >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort >> first, >>>>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the >>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will >> reduce >>>>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the summer, >>>>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising >> and >>>>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% genoa >>>> was >>>>>> cut >>>>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be reefed >>>>>> down >>>>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember this >>>> was >>>>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels and >> a >>>>>> foam >>>>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do as >>>>>> well. >>>>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never >>>> found >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from Mail for >>>>>>>> Windows 10 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >> >> From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 16:35:47 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 16:35:47 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger First, John (don't remember his last name) the author of Affordable Adventurs goes through an analysis of how tight you want the Jack lines and, especially in the case where it is down the centerline, you don't need or want it all that tight. Second, it does follow the contour "good enough".Third, the port and starboard lines (he uses webbing) are attached just outside of the forward aspect of the cockpit, leans against the dodger (which he had) and then to the mast. To go forward you unhook from the cockpit lines (as you do now), then hook to the port or starboard line, go forward to you are abreast of the mast and move your tether to the centerline. He has nice pictures of how he attaches --Reuben Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 3:18 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Reuben, > > OK, what about the bow jack line not following the contour of the foredeck > and cabin doghouse? In other words, if the jack line is pulled taut enough > from the bow back to the mast to be of any use keeping you on board; then, > it will have to angle up from the bow to clear the leading edge of the > cabin doghouse. Isn?t this jack line a trip hazard on the foredeck? I can > see how the port and starboard jack lines could be anchored to the halyard > organizer at the mast step. But, what did you attach them to at the > cockpit so they didn?t block access to the side decks? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 25, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Reuben Mezrich > wrote: > > > > ?Over the past few years the couple who write a newsletter "Affordable > > Adventures" discussed ways to run a Jackline down the center of a boat. > > Basically they run two shorter jacklines from the cockpit to the mast and > > then one from the mast to the bow. You hook on in the cockpit, go forward > > till you have to change lines when you get as far as the mast. > > Good discussion > > > https://www.morganscloud.com/2015/12/05/person-overboard-better-jackline-systems/ > > > > --Reuben > > Reuben Mezrich > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:17 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> I thought about a safety tether system using a jack line on the > centerline > >> of the boat. But, on the bow, you have the issue of how to anchor the > end > >> so it doesn?t interfere with roller furler. In my case, I suppose I > could > >> have anchored the bow end of the jack line to a thru-bolted padeye I > >> installed for the tack on my cruising spinnaker. It?s far enough aft of > >> the bow to not interfere with the roller furler and it?s control line. > >> Going aft, you could anchor the jack line to the halyard organizer at > the > >> mast step. But, I want to be able to clip onto the jack line before I > >> leave the cockpit and having the jack line end at the mast step leaves > >> several hazardous steps with no connected safety harness. Aft of the > mast > >> step, you are kind of out of good options. You can?t anchor the jack > line > >> to anything on the pop top because it?s not fastened down and not HD > enough > >> anyway. If you go all the way aft to the stern pulpit, then the jack > line > >> runs down the length of the cockpit right at chest level, plus it > >> interferes with the boom vang, the tiller, the mainsheet traveler, and > >> mainsheets to say nothing of the crew. > >> > >> By running my jack lines up the port and starboard side decks from the > >> cockpit to the base of the bow pulpit, I avoid all these issues. The > only > >> disadvantage to my system is that if you go over on the side you are > >> clipped into, the tether has quite a bit of slack and can leave you > >> hanging. But my railings are 30? high and I go forward in a crouch so I > >> stay low. Of course, you normally go forward on the windward side of > the > >> boat. So, as long as the boat doesn?t broach, you are likely to be OK. > >> > >> A jack line running up the centerline would be ideal. So, inquiring > minds > >> want to know, how did you rig a jack line on the centerline of your > Rhodes > >> 22? > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> > >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA > >> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 5:34 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects > >> > >> Tom, > >> > >> Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don?t > >> think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It?s a pretty > >> standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never > thought to > >> take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds > in > >> the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. > residents, > >> the price is right, especially considering it?s secure indoor storage. > >> But, I don?t have access to the boat until next spring. > >> > >> This winter?s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and under > >> cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) and > >> delaminating on my boat. I?ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table > and > >> doors several times. But, so far, he hasn?t responded to my queries. > I?d > >> like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn?t > >> respond, what can you do? > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule < > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. > >>> > >>> We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. > >>> There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! > >>> > >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Jesse, > >>>> > >>>> We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit > >> floor. > >>>> It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the > >> cabin > >>>> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. > >>>> Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck > port > >>>> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to > the > >>>> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness > tether > >> has > >>>> a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip > >> the > >>>> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or > leave > >> the > >>>> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get > >> anywhere > >>>> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you > unclip > >>>> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck > you > >> are > >>>> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness > >>>> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast > >> or on > >>>> the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang > >> onto. > >>>> > >>>> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on > deck > >>>> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since > everyone > >>>> wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. > >>>> > >>>> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t > always > >>>> count on fair winds! > >>>> > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhones > >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of > >> wearing > >>>>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr > >> to > >>>> a > >>>>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures > >> for > >>>>> Zephyr in my future! > >>>>> > >>>>> Jesse Shumaker > >>>>> S/V Zephyr > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < > roger_pihlaja at msn.com > >>> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jesse, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons > were > >>>>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they > both > >>>>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement > park > >>>>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told > >> them > >>>> it > >>>>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are > posted! > >>>>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and > >>>> they?d > >>>>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand > that > >>>> dad > >>>>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness > >>>> over > >>>>>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get > >>>> tossed > >>>>>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > >>>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned > >>>> some > >>>>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather > than > >>>>>> round > >>>>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any > >> knockdowns > >>>> in > >>>>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or > feather > >>>> up > >>>>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to > read > >>>> the > >>>>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have > >>>> been > >>>>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't > >> sure > >>>> if > >>>>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your > >> note. > >>>>>> We > >>>>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jesse Shumaker > >>>>>>> S/V Zephyr > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < > >> Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> > >>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Hi All, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not > >> OEM > >>>>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat > since > >>>>>> 1987 > >>>>>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of > >>>>>> experimentation. > >>>>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD > >> dacron > >>>>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% > >>>> genoa > >>>>>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial > >> construction. > >>>>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a > Kevlar > >>>>>> scrim, > >>>>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to > >>>> take > >>>>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 > >>>>>> roller > >>>>>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower > >> the > >>>>>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to > >> put a > >>>>>> reef > >>>>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed > >> with > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. > >> However, > >>>>>> you > >>>>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because > a > >>>>>> gust or > >>>>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water > >> faster > >>>>>> than > >>>>>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this > >> configuration > >>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause > so > >>>>>> much > >>>>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s > really > >>>>>> quite > >>>>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the > >> boat > >>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to > >>>> drive > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As > >> the > >>>>>> wind > >>>>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail > will > >>>>>> enable > >>>>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of > >>>> constant > >>>>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing > >> the > >>>>>> genoa > >>>>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough > >>>> that > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind > >>>>>> forward > >>>>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small > as > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still > >> maintaining > >>>>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < > >>>> 110%, > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort > >> first, > >>>>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the > >>>>>> strategy > >>>>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will > >> reduce > >>>>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the > summer, > >>>>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising > >> and > >>>>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% > genoa > >>>> was > >>>>>> cut > >>>>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be > reefed > >>>>>> down > >>>>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember > this > >>>> was > >>>>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels > and > >> a > >>>>>> foam > >>>>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do > as > >>>>>> well. > >>>>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never > >>>> found > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sent from Mail > for > >>>>>>>> Windows 10 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 16:36:52 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 16:36:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger Remember, I don't have my Rhodes yet...waiting on Stan to finish the recycling --Reuben Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 4:35 PM Reuben Mezrich wrote: > Roger > First, John (don't remember his last name) the author of Affordable > Adventurs goes through an analysis of how tight you want the Jack lines > and, especially in the case where it is down the centerline, you don't need > or want it all that tight. Second, it does follow the contour "good > enough".Third, the port and starboard lines (he uses webbing) are attached > just outside of the forward aspect of the cockpit, leans against the dodger > (which he had) and then to the mast. To go forward you unhook from the > cockpit lines (as you do now), then hook to the port or starboard line, go > forward to you are abreast of the mast and move your tether to the > centerline. > He has nice pictures of how he attaches > --Reuben > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 3:18 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> Reuben, >> >> OK, what about the bow jack line not following the contour of the >> foredeck and cabin doghouse? In other words, if the jack line is pulled >> taut enough from the bow back to the mast to be of any use keeping you on >> board; then, it will have to angle up from the bow to clear the leading >> edge of the cabin doghouse. Isn?t this jack line a trip hazard on the >> foredeck? I can see how the port and starboard jack lines could be >> anchored to the halyard organizer at the mast step. But, what did you >> attach them to at the cockpit so they didn?t block access to the side decks? >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Nov 25, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Reuben Mezrich >> wrote: >> > >> > ?Over the past few years the couple who write a newsletter "Affordable >> > Adventures" discussed ways to run a Jackline down the center of a boat. >> > Basically they run two shorter jacklines from the cockpit to the mast >> and >> > then one from the mast to the bow. You hook on in the cockpit, go >> forward >> > till you have to change lines when you get as far as the mast. >> > Good discussion >> > >> https://www.morganscloud.com/2015/12/05/person-overboard-better-jackline-systems/ >> > >> > --Reuben >> > Reuben Mezrich >> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore >> > Cell: 410-499-8922 >> > >> > >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:17 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >> >> >> >> I thought about a safety tether system using a jack line on the >> centerline >> >> of the boat. But, on the bow, you have the issue of how to anchor the >> end >> >> so it doesn?t interfere with roller furler. In my case, I suppose I >> could >> >> have anchored the bow end of the jack line to a thru-bolted padeye I >> >> installed for the tack on my cruising spinnaker. It?s far enough aft >> of >> >> the bow to not interfere with the roller furler and it?s control line. >> >> Going aft, you could anchor the jack line to the halyard organizer at >> the >> >> mast step. But, I want to be able to clip onto the jack line before I >> >> leave the cockpit and having the jack line end at the mast step leaves >> >> several hazardous steps with no connected safety harness. Aft of the >> mast >> >> step, you are kind of out of good options. You can?t anchor the jack >> line >> >> to anything on the pop top because it?s not fastened down and not HD >> enough >> >> anyway. If you go all the way aft to the stern pulpit, then the jack >> line >> >> runs down the length of the cockpit right at chest level, plus it >> >> interferes with the boom vang, the tiller, the mainsheet traveler, and >> >> mainsheets to say nothing of the crew. >> >> >> >> By running my jack lines up the port and starboard side decks from the >> >> cockpit to the base of the bow pulpit, I avoid all these issues. The >> only >> >> disadvantage to my system is that if you go over on the side you are >> >> clipped into, the tether has quite a bit of slack and can leave you >> >> hanging. But my railings are 30? high and I go forward in a crouch so >> I >> >> stay low. Of course, you normally go forward on the windward side of >> the >> >> boat. So, as long as the boat doesn?t broach, you are likely to be OK. >> >> >> >> A jack line running up the centerline would be ideal. So, inquiring >> minds >> >> want to know, how did you rig a jack line on the centerline of your >> Rhodes >> >> 22? >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> >> Windows 10 >> >> >> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA >> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 5:34 PM >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> >> Subject: Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects >> >> >> >> Tom, >> >> >> >> Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don?t >> >> think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It?s a pretty >> >> standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never >> thought to >> >> take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds >> in >> >> the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. >> residents, >> >> the price is right, especially considering it?s secure indoor storage. >> >> But, I don?t have access to the boat until next spring. >> >> >> >> This winter?s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and >> under >> >> cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) >> and >> >> delaminating on my boat. I?ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table >> and >> >> doors several times. But, so far, he hasn?t responded to my queries. >> I?d >> >> like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn?t >> >> respond, what can you do? >> >> >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >> >>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule < >> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. >> >>> >> >>> We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. >> >>> There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! >> >>> >> >>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >> >> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Jesse, >> >>>> >> >>>> We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit >> >> floor. >> >>>> It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the >> >> cabin >> >>>> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. >> >>>> Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck >> port >> >>>> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to >> the >> >>>> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness >> tether >> >> has >> >>>> a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip >> >> the >> >>>> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or >> leave >> >> the >> >>>> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get >> >> anywhere >> >>>> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you >> unclip >> >>>> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck >> you >> >> are >> >>>> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the >> harness >> >>>> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast >> >> or on >> >>>> the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang >> >> onto. >> >>>> >> >>>> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on >> deck >> >>>> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since >> everyone >> >>>> wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. >> >>>> >> >>>> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t >> always >> >>>> count on fair winds! >> >>>> >> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >>>> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhones >> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < >> >>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of >> >> wearing >> >>>>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take >> Zephyr >> >> to >> >>>> a >> >>>>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger >> adventures >> >> for >> >>>>> Zephyr in my future! >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Jesse Shumaker >> >>>>> S/V Zephyr >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < >> roger_pihlaja at msn.com >> >>> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Jesse, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons >> were >> >>>>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they >> both >> >>>>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement >> park >> >>>>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told >> >> them >> >>>> it >> >>>>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are >> posted! >> >>>>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and >> >>>> they?d >> >>>>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand >> that >> >>>> dad >> >>>>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my >> harness >> >>>> over >> >>>>>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get >> >>>> tossed >> >>>>>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >> >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >> >>>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had >> mentioned >> >>>> some >> >>>>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather >> than >> >>>>>> round >> >>>>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any >> >> knockdowns >> >>>> in >> >>>>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or >> feather >> >>>> up >> >>>>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to >> read >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I >> have >> >>>> been >> >>>>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't >> >> sure >> >>>> if >> >>>>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your >> >> note. >> >>>>>> We >> >>>>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Jesse Shumaker >> >>>>>>> S/V Zephyr >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < >> >> Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Hi All, >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not >> >> OEM >> >>>>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat >> since >> >>>>>> 1987 >> >>>>>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of >> >>>>>> experimentation. >> >>>>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD >> >> dacron >> >>>>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a >> 150% >> >>>> genoa >> >>>>>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial >> >> construction. >> >>>>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a >> Kevlar >> >>>>>> scrim, >> >>>>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it >> to >> >>>> take >> >>>>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit >> 0 >> >>>>>> roller >> >>>>>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to >> lower >> >> the >> >>>>>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to >> >> put a >> >>>>>> reef >> >>>>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed >> >> with >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. >> >> However, >> >>>>>> you >> >>>>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves >> because a >> >>>>>> gust or >> >>>>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water >> >> faster >> >>>>>> than >> >>>>>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this >> >> configuration >> >>>>>> and >> >>>>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts >> cause so >> >>>>>> much >> >>>>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s >> really >> >>>>>> quite >> >>>>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the >> >> boat >> >>>>>> to >> >>>>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to >> >>>> drive >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As >> >> the >> >>>>>> wind >> >>>>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail >> will >> >>>>>> enable >> >>>>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of >> >>>> constant >> >>>>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing >> >> the >> >>>>>> genoa >> >>>>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile >> enough >> >>>> that >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind >> >>>>>> forward >> >>>>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small >> as >> >>>> the >> >>>>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still >> >> maintaining >> >>>>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < >> >>>> 110%, >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort >> >> first, >> >>>>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the >> >>>>>> strategy >> >>>>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will >> >> reduce >> >>>>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the >> summer, >> >>>>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying >> cruising >> >> and >> >>>>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% >> genoa >> >>>> was >> >>>>>> cut >> >>>>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be >> reefed >> >>>>>> down >> >>>>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember >> this >> >>>> was >> >>>>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels >> and >> >> a >> >>>>>> foam >> >>>>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to >> do as >> >>>>>> well. >> >>>>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never >> >>>> found >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >> >>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Sent from Mail >> for >> >>>>>>>> Windows 10 >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>> >> >> >> >> >> > From jschroll at msn.com Wed Nov 25 18:28:09 2020 From: jschroll at msn.com (James Schroll) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 18:28:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Moving On Message-ID: In spite of really enjoying our Rhodes 22 for the last 5 years and appreciating the many clever design features that Stan has introduced, my wife and I find ourselves considering a lifestyle change which might preclude boat ownership. Were we to decide to part with it, our first choice would be to see if Stan wanted it back for another refurbishing, but I haven?t gotten any answer to several emails which I have sent. Do we know if he is okay? Does anyone have a suggestion for contacting him? If that doesn?t work out (and, again, assuming that we decide against ?just one more year?), how does one go about setting a fair price for a used boat? A quick internet search turns up about dozen boats from 1983 to 2008 priced (not respectively) from$5,500 to $38,900. Ours is a 1990, refurbished in early 2016. It is in good condition (although it could use a wash and polish). It has a 2016 trailer and a 2016 Yamaha 9.9 outboard. So, how do I set a price that is fair for both the buyer and me? I?d welcome any suggestions. Jim Schroll Pinafore From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Wed Nov 25 19:31:26 2020 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 16:31:26 -0800 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Moving On In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi: No less than $15k. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 3:28 PM James Schroll wrote: > In spite of really enjoying our Rhodes 22 for the last 5 years and > appreciating the many clever design features that Stan has introduced, my > wife and I find ourselves considering a lifestyle change which might > preclude boat ownership. Were we to decide to part with it, our first > choice would be to see if Stan wanted it back for another refurbishing, but > I haven?t gotten any answer to several emails which I have sent. Do we > know if he is okay? Does anyone have a suggestion for contacting him? > > If that doesn?t work out (and, again, assuming that we decide against > ?just one more year?), how does one go about setting a fair price for a > used boat? A quick internet search turns up about dozen boats from 1983 to > 2008 priced (not respectively) from$5,500 to $38,900. Ours is a 1990, > refurbished in early 2016. It is in good condition (although it could use > a wash and polish). It has a 2016 trailer and a 2016 Yamaha 9.9 outboard. > So, how do I set a price that is fair for both the buyer and me? > > I?d welcome any suggestions. > > Jim Schroll > Pinafore From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Nov 25 20:23:31 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 19:23:31 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Moving On In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sean if I saw my boat for 15k I would have save over 12k. 2011 return in 2017, Yet I saw 5 r22s,.in person, from 25 to 45k, I bought Octopian on pictures alone, over 1500 miles from home . No regrets at all. What does it need that your asking is so low? Value is high now, even economically speaking .. On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 6:31 PM Shawn Boles wrote: > Hi: > > No less than $15k. > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 3:28 PM James Schroll wrote: > > > In spite of really enjoying our Rhodes 22 for the last 5 years and > > appreciating the many clever design features that Stan has introduced, my > > wife and I find ourselves considering a lifestyle change which might > > preclude boat ownership. Were we to decide to part with it, our first > > choice would be to see if Stan wanted it back for another refurbishing, > but > > I haven?t gotten any answer to several emails which I have sent. Do we > > know if he is okay? Does anyone have a suggestion for contacting him? > > > > If that doesn?t work out (and, again, assuming that we decide against > > ?just one more year?), how does one go about setting a fair price for a > > used boat? A quick internet search turns up about dozen boats from 1983 > to > > 2008 priced (not respectively) from$5,500 to $38,900. Ours is a 1990, > > refurbished in early 2016. It is in good condition (although it could > use > > a wash and polish). It has a 2016 trailer and a 2016 Yamaha 9.9 > outboard. > > So, how do I set a price that is fair for both the buyer and me? > > > > I?d welcome any suggestions. > > > > Jim Schroll > > Pinafore > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Nov 25 20:23:54 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2020 19:23:54 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Moving On In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, half that was for Jim.... On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 7:23 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Sean if I saw my boat for 15k I would have save over 12k. 2011 return in > 2017, Yet I saw 5 r22s,.in person, from 25 to 45k, I bought Octopian on > pictures alone, over 1500 miles from home . No regrets at all. > > What does it need that your asking is so low? Value is high now, even > economically speaking .. > > > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 6:31 PM Shawn Boles wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> No less than $15k. >> >> Cheers, >> Shawn >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 3:28 PM James Schroll wrote: >> >> > In spite of really enjoying our Rhodes 22 for the last 5 years and >> > appreciating the many clever design features that Stan has introduced, >> my >> > wife and I find ourselves considering a lifestyle change which might >> > preclude boat ownership. Were we to decide to part with it, our first >> > choice would be to see if Stan wanted it back for another refurbishing, >> but >> > I haven?t gotten any answer to several emails which I have sent. Do we >> > know if he is okay? Does anyone have a suggestion for contacting him? >> > >> > If that doesn?t work out (and, again, assuming that we decide against >> > ?just one more year?), how does one go about setting a fair price for a >> > used boat? A quick internet search turns up about dozen boats from >> 1983 to >> > 2008 priced (not respectively) from$5,500 to $38,900. Ours is a 1990, >> > refurbished in early 2016. It is in good condition (although it could >> use >> > a wash and polish). It has a 2016 trailer and a 2016 Yamaha 9.9 >> outboard. >> > So, how do I set a price that is fair for both the buyer and me? >> > >> > I?d welcome any suggestions. >> > >> > Jim Schroll >> > Pinafore >> > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Nov 25 21:48:43 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 02:48:43 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Reuben, So, you are just referencing this Affordable Adventures book, you haven?t actually installed this jack line system on your Rhodes 22? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > On Nov 25, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Reuben Mezrich wrote: > > ?Roger > First, John (don't remember his last name) the author of Affordable > Adventurs goes through an analysis of how tight you want the Jack lines > and, especially in the case where it is down the centerline, you don't need > or want it all that tight. Second, it does follow the contour "good > enough".Third, the port and starboard lines (he uses webbing) are attached > just outside of the forward aspect of the cockpit, leans against the dodger > (which he had) and then to the mast. To go forward you unhook from the > cockpit lines (as you do now), then hook to the port or starboard line, go > forward to you are abreast of the mast and move your tether to the > centerline. > He has nice pictures of how he attaches > --Reuben > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 3:18 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Reuben, >> >> OK, what about the bow jack line not following the contour of the foredeck >> and cabin doghouse? In other words, if the jack line is pulled taut enough >> from the bow back to the mast to be of any use keeping you on board; then, >> it will have to angle up from the bow to clear the leading edge of the >> cabin doghouse. Isn?t this jack line a trip hazard on the foredeck? I can >> see how the port and starboard jack lines could be anchored to the halyard >> organizer at the mast step. But, what did you attach them to at the >> cockpit so they didn?t block access to the side decks? >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Reuben Mezrich >> wrote: >>> >>> ?Over the past few years the couple who write a newsletter "Affordable >>> Adventures" discussed ways to run a Jackline down the center of a boat. >>> Basically they run two shorter jacklines from the cockpit to the mast and >>> then one from the mast to the bow. You hook on in the cockpit, go forward >>> till you have to change lines when you get as far as the mast. >>> Good discussion >>> >> https://www.morganscloud.com/2015/12/05/person-overboard-better-jackline-systems/ >>> >>> --Reuben >>> Reuben Mezrich >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore >>> Cell: 410-499-8922 >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:17 AM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >>>> >>>> I thought about a safety tether system using a jack line on the >> centerline >>>> of the boat. But, on the bow, you have the issue of how to anchor the >> end >>>> so it doesn?t interfere with roller furler. In my case, I suppose I >> could >>>> have anchored the bow end of the jack line to a thru-bolted padeye I >>>> installed for the tack on my cruising spinnaker. It?s far enough aft of >>>> the bow to not interfere with the roller furler and it?s control line. >>>> Going aft, you could anchor the jack line to the halyard organizer at >> the >>>> mast step. But, I want to be able to clip onto the jack line before I >>>> leave the cockpit and having the jack line end at the mast step leaves >>>> several hazardous steps with no connected safety harness. Aft of the >> mast >>>> step, you are kind of out of good options. You can?t anchor the jack >> line >>>> to anything on the pop top because it?s not fastened down and not HD >> enough >>>> anyway. If you go all the way aft to the stern pulpit, then the jack >> line >>>> runs down the length of the cockpit right at chest level, plus it >>>> interferes with the boom vang, the tiller, the mainsheet traveler, and >>>> mainsheets to say nothing of the crew. >>>> >>>> By running my jack lines up the port and starboard side decks from the >>>> cockpit to the base of the bow pulpit, I avoid all these issues. The >> only >>>> disadvantage to my system is that if you go over on the side you are >>>> clipped into, the tether has quite a bit of slack and can leave you >>>> hanging. But my railings are 30? high and I go forward in a crouch so I >>>> stay low. Of course, you normally go forward on the windward side of >> the >>>> boat. So, as long as the boat doesn?t broach, you are likely to be OK. >>>> >>>> A jack line running up the centerline would be ideal. So, inquiring >> minds >>>> want to know, how did you rig a jack line on the centerline of your >> Rhodes >>>> 22? >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for >>>> Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 5:34 PM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects >>>> >>>> Tom, >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don?t >>>> think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It?s a pretty >>>> standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never >> thought to >>>> take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds >> in >>>> the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. >> residents, >>>> the price is right, especially considering it?s secure indoor storage. >>>> But, I don?t have access to the boat until next spring. >>>> >>>> This winter?s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and under >>>> cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) and >>>> delaminating on my boat. I?ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table >> and >>>> doors several times. But, so far, he hasn?t responded to my queries. >> I?d >>>> like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn?t >>>> respond, what can you do? >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule < >>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. >>>>> >>>>> We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. >>>>> There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! >>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Jesse, >>>>>> >>>>>> We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit >>>> floor. >>>>>> It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the >>>> cabin >>>>>> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. >>>>>> Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck >> port >>>>>> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to >> the >>>>>> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness >> tether >>>> has >>>>>> a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you clip >>>> the >>>>>> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or >> leave >>>> the >>>>>> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get >>>> anywhere >>>>>> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you >> unclip >>>>>> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck >> you >>>> are >>>>>> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the harness >>>>>> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the mast >>>> or on >>>>>> the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to hang >>>> onto. >>>>>> >>>>>> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on >> deck >>>>>> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since >> everyone >>>>>> wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. >>>>>> >>>>>> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t >> always >>>>>> count on fair winds! >>>>>> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhones >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < >>>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of >>>> wearing >>>>>>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take Zephyr >>>> to >>>>>> a >>>>>>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger adventures >>>> for >>>>>>> Zephyr in my future! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < >> roger_pihlaja at msn.com >>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jesse, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons >> were >>>>>>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they >> both >>>>>>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement >> park >>>>>>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told >>>> them >>>>>> it >>>>>>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are >> posted! >>>>>>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and >>>>>> they?d >>>>>>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand >> that >>>>>> dad >>>>>>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my harness >>>>>> over >>>>>>>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get >>>>>> tossed >>>>>>>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < >>>>>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had mentioned >>>>>> some >>>>>>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather >> than >>>>>>>> round >>>>>>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any >>>> knockdowns >>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or >> feather >>>>>> up >>>>>>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to >> read >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I have >>>>>> been >>>>>>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't >>>> sure >>>>>> if >>>>>>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your >>>> note. >>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>>>>>>> S/V Zephyr >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < >>>> Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi All, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are not >>>> OEM >>>>>>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat >> since >>>>>>>> 1987 >>>>>>>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of >>>>>>>> experimentation. >>>>>>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD >>>> dacron >>>>>>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a 150% >>>>>> genoa >>>>>>>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial >>>> construction. >>>>>>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a >> Kevlar >>>>>>>> scrim, >>>>>>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it to >>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken Unit 0 >>>>>>>> roller >>>>>>>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to lower >>>> the >>>>>>>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to >>>> put a >>>>>>>> reef >>>>>>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be sailed >>>> with >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. >>>> However, >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves because >> a >>>>>>>> gust or >>>>>>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water >>>> faster >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this >>>> configuration >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts cause >> so >>>>>>>> much >>>>>>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s >> really >>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow the >>>> boat >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot to >>>>>> drive >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. As >>>> the >>>>>>>> wind >>>>>>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail >> will >>>>>>>> enable >>>>>>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of >>>>>> constant >>>>>>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller reefing >>>> the >>>>>>>> genoa >>>>>>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile enough >>>>>> that >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the wind >>>>>>>> forward >>>>>>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small >> as >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still >>>> maintaining >>>>>>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to < >>>>>> 110%, >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort >>>> first, >>>>>>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, the >>>>>>>> strategy >>>>>>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will >>>> reduce >>>>>>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the >> summer, >>>>>>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying cruising >>>> and >>>>>>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% >> genoa >>>>>> was >>>>>>>> cut >>>>>>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be >> reefed >>>>>>>> down >>>>>>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember >> this >>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels >> and >>>> a >>>>>>>> foam >>>>>>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to do >> as >>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I never >>>>>> found >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail >> for >>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> >>>> >> From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 07:34:05 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 07:34:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger Unfortunately that's correct. You had asked for ideas on how to configure a centerline Jackline and the Website "Affordable Adventures" has a great analysis. But yes, I don't yet have my Rhodes 22 and so can't try this myself. Someday, --Reuben Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 9:48 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Reuben, > > So, you are just referencing this Affordable Adventures book, you haven?t > actually installed this jack line system on your Rhodes 22? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > On Nov 25, 2020, at 4:34 PM, Reuben Mezrich > wrote: > > > > ?Roger > > First, John (don't remember his last name) the author of Affordable > > Adventurs goes through an analysis of how tight you want the Jack lines > > and, especially in the case where it is down the centerline, you don't > need > > or want it all that tight. Second, it does follow the contour "good > > enough".Third, the port and starboard lines (he uses webbing) are > attached > > just outside of the forward aspect of the cockpit, leans against the > dodger > > (which he had) and then to the mast. To go forward you unhook from the > > cockpit lines (as you do now), then hook to the port or starboard line, > go > > forward to you are abreast of the mast and move your tether to the > > centerline. > > He has nice pictures of how he attaches > > --Reuben > > Reuben Mezrich > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 3:18 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> > >> Reuben, > >> > >> OK, what about the bow jack line not following the contour of the > foredeck > >> and cabin doghouse? In other words, if the jack line is pulled taut > enough > >> from the bow back to the mast to be of any use keeping you on board; > then, > >> it will have to angle up from the bow to clear the leading edge of the > >> cabin doghouse. Isn?t this jack line a trip hazard on the foredeck? I > can > >> see how the port and starboard jack lines could be anchored to the > halyard > >> organizer at the mast step. But, what did you attach them to at the > >> cockpit so they didn?t block access to the side decks? > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Nov 25, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Reuben Mezrich > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> ?Over the past few years the couple who write a newsletter "Affordable > >>> Adventures" discussed ways to run a Jackline down the center of a boat. > >>> Basically they run two shorter jacklines from the cockpit to the mast > and > >>> then one from the mast to the bow. You hook on in the cockpit, go > forward > >>> till you have to change lines when you get as far as the mast. > >>> Good discussion > >>> > >> > https://www.morganscloud.com/2015/12/05/person-overboard-better-jackline-systems/ > >>> > >>> --Reuben > >>> Reuben Mezrich > >>> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > >>> Cell: 410-499-8922 > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 7:17 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> I thought about a safety tether system using a jack line on the > >> centerline > >>>> of the boat. But, on the bow, you have the issue of how to anchor the > >> end > >>>> so it doesn?t interfere with roller furler. In my case, I suppose I > >> could > >>>> have anchored the bow end of the jack line to a thru-bolted padeye I > >>>> installed for the tack on my cruising spinnaker. It?s far enough aft > of > >>>> the bow to not interfere with the roller furler and it?s control line. > >>>> Going aft, you could anchor the jack line to the halyard organizer at > >> the > >>>> mast step. But, I want to be able to clip onto the jack line before I > >>>> leave the cockpit and having the jack line end at the mast step leaves > >>>> several hazardous steps with no connected safety harness. Aft of the > >> mast > >>>> step, you are kind of out of good options. You can?t anchor the jack > >> line > >>>> to anything on the pop top because it?s not fastened down and not HD > >> enough > >>>> anyway. If you go all the way aft to the stern pulpit, then the jack > >> line > >>>> runs down the length of the cockpit right at chest level, plus it > >>>> interferes with the boom vang, the tiller, the mainsheet traveler, and > >>>> mainsheets to say nothing of the crew. > >>>> > >>>> By running my jack lines up the port and starboard side decks from the > >>>> cockpit to the base of the bow pulpit, I avoid all these issues. The > >> only > >>>> disadvantage to my system is that if you go over on the side you are > >>>> clipped into, the tether has quite a bit of slack and can leave you > >>>> hanging. But my railings are 30? high and I go forward in a crouch > so I > >>>> stay low. Of course, you normally go forward on the windward side of > >> the > >>>> boat. So, as long as the boat doesn?t broach, you are likely to be > OK. > >>>> > >>>> A jack line running up the centerline would be ideal. So, inquiring > >> minds > >>>> want to know, how did you rig a jack line on the centerline of your > >> Rhodes > >>>> 22? > >>>> > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>> > >>>> Sent from Mail for > >>>> Windows 10 > >>>> > >>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2020 5:34 PM > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>>> Subject: Rhodes 22 Safety Tether System & Winter Projects > >>>> > >>>> Tom, > >>>> > >>>> Unfortunately, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is in winter storage. I don?t > >>>> think I have any photos of the safety tether system. It?s a pretty > >>>> standard arrangement for offshore monohull sailboats and I never > >> thought to > >>>> take a picture of it. I store the boat at the Midland Co. Fairgrounds > >> in > >>>> the unused animal barns and vender buildings. For Midland Co. > >> residents, > >>>> the price is right, especially considering it?s secure indoor storage. > >>>> But, I don?t have access to the boat until next spring. > >>>> > >>>> This winter?s projects will be to fabricate a new galley table and > under > >>>> cabinet sliding doors. Both of these components are original (1976) > and > >>>> delaminating on my boat. I?ve asked Stan about purchasing a new table > >> and > >>>> doors several times. But, so far, he hasn?t responded to my queries. > >> I?d > >>>> like to support his replacement parts business. But, when he doesn?t > >>>> respond, what can you do? > >>>> > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 5:10 PM, Tom Van Heule < > >>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Pics Roger? Sounds good. > >>>>> > >>>>> We gotta have a lake michigan r22 summit. > >>>>> There are a few of us that are pretty active. And I know the least! > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020, 4:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jesse, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We have a 1? wide nylon strap running up the center of the cockpit > >>>> floor. > >>>>>> It?s attached to thru bolted padeyes with big backing plates on the > >>>> cabin > >>>>>> and lazarette compartment bulkheads. > >>>>>> Then, we have 1/2? double braided nylon rope running down the deck > >> port > >>>>>> and starboard from the cockpit to the bow pulpit. It?s anchored to > >> the > >>>>>> base of the lifeline stanchions on each end. The safety harness > >> tether > >>>> has > >>>>>> a carabiner on the end of a 6? nylon strap. In the cockpit, you > clip > >>>> the > >>>>>> carabiner onto the nylon strap on the floor as you come aboard or > >> leave > >>>> the > >>>>>> cabin. The carabiner will slide along the strap and let you get > >>>> anywhere > >>>>>> in the cockpit, even hike out on the gunnels. To go forward, you > >> unclip > >>>>>> from the cockpit and clip onto the 1/2? nylon rope on the side deck > >> you > >>>> are > >>>>>> going to use. The carabiner will slide along the rope and the > harness > >>>>>> tether is long enough to enable you to do almost any task at the > mast > >>>> or on > >>>>>> the foredeck. I have good 30? high rails and stout handholds to > hang > >>>> onto. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We have a firm rule that everyone wears a PFD whenever they are on > >> deck > >>>>>> and the boat is not at anchor or at a dock. Growing up, since > >> everyone > >>>>>> wore their PFD?s, the boys never had an issue with wearing theirs. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 22 ft LOA is a pretty small boat for the Great Lakes. You can?t > >> always > >>>>>> count on fair winds! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Sent from my iPhones > >>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 4:10 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > >>>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ?While I'm used to wearing a PFD, that's the first I've heard of > >>>> wearing > >>>>>>> safety harnesses on a Rhodes 22. Then again, I've yet to take > Zephyr > >>>> to > >>>>>> a > >>>>>>> very large body of water. Hopefully there are some bigger > adventures > >>>> for > >>>>>>> Zephyr in my future! > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Jesse Shumaker > >>>>>>> S/V Zephyr > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < > >> roger_pihlaja at msn.com > >>>>> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jesse, > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Yes, we?ve had a few ?HOLY SHIT!? moments, primarily when my sons > >> were > >>>>>>>> learning to helm and trim. By the time they were teenagers, they > >> both > >>>>>>>> regarded S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as their own personal amusement > >> park > >>>>>>>> ride. But, only when their mother wasn?t on board! I always told > >>>> them > >>>>>> it > >>>>>>>> only gets really interesting when the small craft warnings are > >> posted! > >>>>>>>> When dad put his safety harness on, their eyes would open wide and > >>>>>> they?d > >>>>>>>> scramble below to find their harnesses. They both knew firsthand > >> that > >>>>>> dad > >>>>>>>> was nuts and there was some fun in store. I like to wear my > harness > >>>>>> over > >>>>>>>> my PFD. When you?re sailing this aggressively, you frequently get > >>>>>> tossed > >>>>>>>> into hard ?stuff?. The PFD provides some cushioning. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>>>>>>> On Nov 24, 2020, at 10:19 AM, Jesse Shumaker < > >>>>>>>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> ?Roger, thanks for the details on the sail trim. You had > mentioned > >>>>>> some > >>>>>>>>> configurations where the boat would tend to heel further rather > >> than > >>>>>>>> round > >>>>>>>>> up if conditions strengthen. I'm curious, have you had any > >>>> knockdowns > >>>>>> in > >>>>>>>>> cases where the helmsman didn't ease the mainsheet in time or > >> feather > >>>>>> up > >>>>>>>>> into the wind when there's a sudden gust? I'm always trying to > >> read > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> water for wind, but there are cases when things get busy and I > have > >>>>>> been > >>>>>>>>> occasionally surprised by a gust when I was distracted. I wasn't > >>>> sure > >>>>>> if > >>>>>>>>> you had any memorable HOLY SHIT moments as you alluded to in your > >>>> note. > >>>>>>>> We > >>>>>>>>> always enjoy your advice and tales of adventure! > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Jesse Shumaker > >>>>>>>>> S/V Zephyr > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 5:39 PM ROGER PIHLAJA < > >>>> Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> > >>>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi All, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Let me state up front that S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s sail are > not > >>>> OEM > >>>>>>>>>> stock and neither is the roller furler. I have owned the boat > >> since > >>>>>>>> 1987 > >>>>>>>>>> and will tell you what I?ve ended up with after a lot of > >>>>>>>> experimentation. > >>>>>>>>>> The main sail is a very roachy, fully battened, club racing HD > >>>> dacron > >>>>>>>>>> sail. It has 3 rows of jiffy reef points. The headsail is a > 150% > >>>>>> genoa > >>>>>>>>>> made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam sailcloth in a Bi-Radial > >>>> construction. > >>>>>>>>>> Cruise-Lam is composite sailcloth with dacron outer layers, a > >> Kevlar > >>>>>>>> scrim, > >>>>>>>>>> and a core of mylar. The sail has a foam luff pad to enable it > to > >>>>>> take > >>>>>>>>>> full advantage of the upper and lower swivels on the Harken > Unit 0 > >>>>>>>> roller > >>>>>>>>>> furler it?s flown on. As the winds build, my 1st move is to > lower > >>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> mainsail?s gooseneck to the lower position. The next step is to > >>>> put a > >>>>>>>> reef > >>>>>>>>>> in the mainsail. This configuration allows the boat to be > sailed > >>>> with > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> leeward rub rail in the water and virtually no weather helm. > >>>> However, > >>>>>>>> you > >>>>>>>>>> must keep your hands on the sheets and steer to the waves > because > >> a > >>>>>>>> gust or > >>>>>>>>>> helmsman error will put the leeward cockpit gunnel under water > >>>> faster > >>>>>>>> than > >>>>>>>>>> you can say, ?HOLY SHIT!?! It will NOT round up in this > >>>> configuration > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> the sails will not distort, spill wind, or save you. Gusts > cause > >> so > >>>>>>>> much > >>>>>>>>>> acceleration that it sets you right down in your seat. It?s > >> really > >>>>>>>> quite > >>>>>>>>>> addictive! Roller reefing the genoa down to ~130% will allow > the > >>>> boat > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> sail more up right, not scare my wife, and allow the autopilot > to > >>>>>> drive > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> boat. The next step is to put a second reef in the mainsail. > As > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> wind > >>>>>>>>>> builds, leaving the genoa at 130% with 2 reefs in the mainsail > >> will > >>>>>>>> enable > >>>>>>>>>> maximum boat speed with minimal weather helm at the expense of > >>>>>> constant > >>>>>>>>>> required manual vigilance on the helm and sheets. Roller > reefing > >>>> the > >>>>>>>> genoa > >>>>>>>>>> down to ~110% in these conditions will make the boat docile > enough > >>>>>> that > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> autopilot can still control it on any point of sail with the > wind > >>>>>>>> forward > >>>>>>>>>> of a broad reach. Roller reefing down to 110% is about as small > >> as > >>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> Harken Unit 0 roller furler can reef the sail while still > >>>> maintaining > >>>>>>>>>> reasonable sail shape. When the genoa is roller reefed down to > < > >>>>>> 110%, > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> mainsail needs a 3rd reef in order to balance the helm. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In summary, reduce mainsail area or lower the center of effort > >>>> first, > >>>>>>>>>> either by lowering the boom, or reefing. As the wind builds, > the > >>>>>>>> strategy > >>>>>>>>>> of leaving maximum possible sail area forward of the mast will > >>>> reduce > >>>>>>>>>> weather helm, maximize boat speed, and pointing ability. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Here on the Great Lakes, there is a lot of light air in the > >> summer, > >>>>>>>>>> punctuated by periods of heavy weather. I cope by flying > cruising > >>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> tri-radial spinnakers during the light air. I found the 175% > >> genoa > >>>>>> was > >>>>>>>> cut > >>>>>>>>>> too heavy to fly well in light air and the sail could only be > >> reefed > >>>>>>>> down > >>>>>>>>>> to ~130% before the shape was hopelessly compromised. Remember > >> this > >>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>> with a Harken Unit 0 roller furler with upper and lower swivels > >> and > >>>> a > >>>>>>>> foam > >>>>>>>>>> luff pad. The OEM roller furler and sails will not be able to > do > >> as > >>>>>>>> well. > >>>>>>>>>> But, my sail shape standards might be higher than yours. I > never > >>>>>> found > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> 175% genoa to be particularly difficult to tack. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Sent from Mail > >> for > >>>>>>>>>> Windows 10 > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Thu Nov 26 13:28:10 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 13:28:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Moving On In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Always the looky-loo, I can say prices drop dramatically after sailing season. Assuming much of that is to get rid of the boat to avoid winterizing and winter storage fees; which is not a real concern with a Rhodes 22, you'd probably get more in the Spring if you wait. Todd T tavares0947 at gmail.com On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 8:24 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Sorry, half that was for Jim.... > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 7:23 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > Sean if I saw my boat for 15k I would have save over 12k. 2011 return > in > > 2017, Yet I saw 5 r22s,.in person, from 25 to 45k, I bought Octopian on > > pictures alone, over 1500 miles from home . No regrets at all. > > > > What does it need that your asking is so low? Value is high now, even > > economically speaking .. > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 6:31 PM Shawn Boles > wrote: > > > >> Hi: > >> > >> No less than $15k. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Shawn > >> s/v Sweet Baboo > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 25, 2020, 3:28 PM James Schroll wrote: > >> > >> > In spite of really enjoying our Rhodes 22 for the last 5 years and > >> > appreciating the many clever design features that Stan has introduced, > >> my > >> > wife and I find ourselves considering a lifestyle change which might > >> > preclude boat ownership. Were we to decide to part with it, our first > >> > choice would be to see if Stan wanted it back for another > refurbishing, > >> but > >> > I haven?t gotten any answer to several emails which I have sent. Do > we > >> > know if he is okay? Does anyone have a suggestion for contacting him? > >> > > >> > If that doesn?t work out (and, again, assuming that we decide against > >> > ?just one more year?), how does one go about setting a fair price for > a > >> > used boat? A quick internet search turns up about dozen boats from > >> 1983 to > >> > 2008 priced (not respectively) from$5,500 to $38,900. Ours is a 1990, > >> > refurbished in early 2016. It is in good condition (although it could > >> use > >> > a wash and polish). It has a 2016 trailer and a 2016 Yamaha 9.9 > >> outboard. > >> > So, how do I set a price that is fair for both the buyer and me? > >> > > >> > I?d welcome any suggestions. > >> > > >> > Jim Schroll > >> > Pinafore > >> > > > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Nov 26 17:17:24 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 15:17:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1606429044156-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I think the answer depends on intended use and balance of maintenance vs sailing time. I respect Graham's Phoenix Project. I wanted to optimize my limited time for sailing, not learning the skills of a boatwright beyond basic self reliance. I paid a premium for a Stan refit. Since I will likely keep sailing this boat into old age, I requested a boat new enough to avoid core wood and retrofitted with LED lights. LARK has the usual options. CDI furler, IMF and traveler are adequate for most conditions, I'm still trying to design a strong enough vang. The grab rails as designed are in all the right places. I find the bimini is mostly used when my lady joins me on a calmish day, I bought it at her request. It was also useful this summer when I did a couple zoom meetings at anchor. It does make foredeck access more difficult. Cockpit cushions are also primarily used when the GF is around, or for group get togethers. If I was alone I could do without. Cushions are surprisingly expensive to have custom made, if later desired. Like Rick said, a manual motor mount (mine is the block and tackle vertical design) is generally repairable on the water. Duel cabin top hatches are a valuable for using the head when other boats are in view and for ventilation at anchor. Add a low amp 12 v portable fan. Lee's list specifies four horn cleats for docking. That would be a better. LARK came with a center foredeck cleat and chocks on either side of the bow. The center cleat still requires a bridle for the anchor, due to the chocks and forestay in the way. It also can snag the jib sheet, especially in light wind where the sheets drag the deck slowly during a tack. I consider the boarding ladder an essential safety feature as well as a way to cool down in a calm. My primary uses are pretty much what I predicted pre purchase. I wanted a convenient slip stored solo day sailor that wouldn't force me to be picky about weather. Days off require planning beyond the weather forecast range. The unexpected fringe benefit was short after work twilight sails, a bonus of IMF. I also find the occasional overnight at anchor quite charming. Agreeing with Jeff, captains' chairs make this boat very relaxing after a stressful day. LARK's other use is the occasional coastal or protected cruise. I knew it would be hard to convince a woman to join me without a head. The supplied non gimbaled camp stove is adequate for cooking in a marina when local restaurants aren't available, or at a calm anchorage. The pop top tent is recommended for couples overnighting, I don't always bother alone in cool weather. Since coastal sailing is a secondary use, I prefer Jack Lines and a harness to life lines. I didn't bother with the center cockpit cushion. So far I haven't bothered with a self steering system. Since I like almost all the options, I hope an explanation of when I find them useful helps. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Fri Nov 27 10:17:48 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 08:17:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1606429044156-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606429044156-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1606490268465-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Alex and All, After tearing the grommets out of seatbelt webbing for a boom vang, I had the yard make up (2) 14" long 3/16" SS cables with thimbles on each end. The bottom thimbles fit through a slightly longer 3/8" mast bolt and the top to a 4 to 1 purchase tackle with cam cleat. Works well. I use the Bimini only while motoring or at rest - so far. We use the center cockpit seat only to give my wife a little extra height and comfort when she is on the helm. The side cushions went flying when we had our first round up and have been in the garage ever since. I have yet to drop the boom, but will try next season. Doesn't that make the boom dangerously low in the cockpit? The cockpit enclosure was nice when it rains... A THERMACELL insect repellant, which runs off of camping gas cans worked well at keeping the mosquitoes at bay on our Maine trip, although at the end of August they were not too bad. I used 1" red reflective tape to spruce up the pink rub rail, which has held up well over the past year. Cleaned the rubber with acetone before application and did not continue around tight bends. The rub rail cushions for the captains chairs are foam pipe insulation covered by 3M electrical tabe - also held up well over the last season. New full size Windex. Folding amidships cleats are a real help in docking ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Fri Nov 27 10:22:10 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 08:22:10 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1606429044156-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606429044156-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1606490530266-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Alex and All, After tearing the grommets out of seatbelt webbing for a boom vang, I had the yard make up (2) 14" long 3/16" SS cables with thimbles on each end. The bottom thimbles fit through a slightly longer 3/8" mast bolt and the top to a 4 to 1 purchase tackle with cam cleat. Works well. I use the Bimini only while motoring or at rest - so far. We use the center cockpit seat only to give my wife a little extra height and comfort when she is on the helm. The side cushions went flying when we had our first round up and have been in the garage ever since. I have yet to drop the boom, but will try next season. Doesn't that make the boom dangerously low in the cockpit? The cockpit enclosure was nice when it rains... A THERMACELL insect repellant, which runs off of camping gas cans worked well at keeping the mosquitoes at bay on our Maine trip, although at the end of August they were not too bad. I used 1" red reflective tape to spruce up the pink rub rail, which has held up well over the past year. Cleaned the rubber with acetone before application and did not continue around tight bends. The rub rail cushions for the captains chairs are foam pipe insulation covered by 3M electrical tabe - also held up well over the last season. New full size Windex. Folding amidships cleats are a real help in docking ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Fri Nov 27 20:41:05 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 18:41:05 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1606490530266-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606429044156-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606490530266-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1606527665341-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Jeff Thanks for the tip on the vang, That was my next plan but I was unsure what spec wire to order, the disadvantage of ignorance and no chandlery within miles. I bought a Harken small boat vang that is similar to 1976 factory equipment on my Bucc 18 but rated for boats 22-28?. I tried custom strapping. As you said, the eyes weren?t strong enough. Your sidedeck cleat was a good idea, how did you mount it? The prevailing wind puts me on the lee of a double wide finger, making it hard to avoid blowing into the neighbor boat. I call it practice for tricky dockings in a guest slip with an audience, and safer then being docked downwind of a pontoon. I cheated and added an midship cleat on the state dock for a forward spring, but can use it with a line to the jib car when casting off alone. It minimizes leeway so I can back out fast enough to keep my bow out of the compac?s outboard. Being a coward, I was happier drilling holes in the state dock then my boat. The dropped boom still clears your face in the captain?s chairs. I?ve snagged a life jacket on the outhaul cleats while ducking during a gybe, forgetting my back was a couple inches taller. Like a dinghy, concussion is possible. If you haven?t seen this poor guy?s clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ6KVqLg_uY ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Fri Nov 27 22:48:52 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2020 20:48:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 175% vs 150% vs 130% Genoa? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1606535332511-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hard core Roger. I love it. Tom. I?d be interested. Where at? So far I?ve only sailed around South Haven and into Lake Macatawa. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 12:42:47 2020 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 10:42:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1606429044156-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606429044156-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1606585367760-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Rick: Thanks for the information on the manual motor lift. Since I complained about the electric lift I should add that once I saturated the belt with WD-40 it worked fine. If it ever broke there was probably a way to lift the motor manually but I never had to figure that out. Michael: After reading Alex's post I thought I should add another two cents. First of all I'm a day sailor so if you plan on cruising, Alex mentioned a lot of good things to have. The marine head is one of them. Since I was rarely out more than four hours all the women on board held it, the men used a urinal or peed overboard (lucky they didn't go overboard) and every kid was happy to use the portapotty whether they needed it or not. I had the single forward cleat which worked okay but you need a thin line if you are going to put two lines on it to cleat both sides of the boat. I only used the cockpit cushions when guests were on board. I only used the bimini when guests were on board and it did get in the way even if I wasn't hiking out. I didn't care too much for sailing with the bimini up but I imagine the captain's chairs would have made it much better. ...and I forgot to mention a snow shovel. Boat_in_Snow.jpg Lee Waiting on a Boat Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Sat Nov 28 14:56:40 2020 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 19:56:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1606585367760-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606429044156-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606585367760-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Lee: Your old boat is currently 75% renovated in like new condition with a brand new set of sails if you are interested in buying it back. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119 Washington DC, 20016 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lee Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2020 12:43 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? Rick: Thanks for the information on the manual motor lift. Since I complained about the electric lift I should add that once I saturated the belt with WD-40 it worked fine. If it ever broke there was probably a way to lift the motor manually but I never had to figure that out. Michael: After reading Alex's post I thought I should add another two cents. First of all I'm a day sailor so if you plan on cruising, Alex mentioned a lot of good things to have. The marine head is one of them. Since I was rarely out more than four hours all the women on board held it, the men used a urinal or peed overboard (lucky they didn't go overboard) and every kid was happy to use the portapotty whether they needed it or not. I had the single forward cleat which worked okay but you need a thin line if you are going to put two lines on it to cleat both sides of the boat. I only used the cockpit cushions when guests were on board. I only used the bimini when guests were on board and it did get in the way even if I wasn't hiking out. I didn't care too much for sailing with the bimini up but I imagine the captain's chairs would have made it much better. ...and I forgot to mention a snow shovel. Boat_in_Snow.jpg Lee Waiting on a Boat Claytor Lake, VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 15:09:41 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 15:09:41 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Correct Anchoring Technique Message-ID: [image: image.png] Regards, Rick Lange -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.png Type: image/png Size: 1469500 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat Nov 28 19:17:58 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2020 19:17:58 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Correct Anchoring Technique In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yup. On Sat, 28 Nov 2020 at 15:10, Rick Lange wrote: > [image: image.png] > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image.png > Type: image/png > Size: 1469500 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20201128/ef159323/attachment.png > > > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Sun Nov 29 22:35:11 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2020 20:35:11 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Buyer's checklist? In-Reply-To: <1606527665341-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1605995394034-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606429044156-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606490530266-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1606527665341-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1606707311424-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Alex, My side decks are solid glass at least 1/2" thick, so I drilled 3 holes, sealed with butyl tape and backed with 2 fender washers. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/