[Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount

Steven Alm stevenalm at gmail.com
Wed Nov 18 13:06:49 EST 2020 

Ric,
My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic,
Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the
transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There
are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the
starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do.
The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the
picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white
strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull.
It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer.
(This is my second attempt. First one with three pics was too large, so
I'll send separately.)

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 12:01 PM Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ric,
> My aluminum tracks are screwed into the sides of the black plastic,
> Starboard, or whatever it is and the black strips are through-bolted to the
> transom. The through-bolts just have washers and nuts on the inside. There
> are two wooden backing supports on the inside but the bolts on the
> starboard track do not go through the support, but the port side bolts do.
> The black strips are 1" wide and 2" thick. If you look closely at the
> picture you'll see the starboard side strip has an extra clear or white
> strip of plastic spacer sandwiched between the black strip and the hull.
> It's 1" wide and 3/8" thick. The port side does not have that extra spacer.
> Hope my pics come through:
>
> "Slim"
> Fandango
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 9:00 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Steven
>> I’m glad my pics came through.
>> Yours a looks more like Cary’s than mine.
>> You both have have plastic outside of the U channel.
>> I think mine rails are screwed to the transom using screws from the laz,
>> that is, the inside of the transom - directly into the plastic strips on
>> the inside of my rails.
>> I have a 1/2 plastic running vertical on the inside of each U channel.
>> The StarBoard or whatever that is, decreases the dept of the u channel by
>> 1/2”, so there is only a 1/2” channel to hold the motor on the boat.
>> The mount and transom was very weak in the area and the whole transom
>> flexed - even in the area the rails attached, which hold have stiffened it
>> vertically at least.
>>
>> I like your set up better and will move in that direction.
>> It appears that your Plastic strips are screwed into the transom at like-
>> 3” o.c.
>> The material looks to be about 3/4’ x 1” - can you confirm that for me?
>> Are those thru bolts?
>> What is the backing behind the transom?
>> How are the U channels fastened to the Plastic strips on each side?
>> Thanks - that’s alotta questions.
>> Ric Dadventure
>>
>>
>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>> Office  631-283-1777
>> Cell            516-965-3164
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Nov 17, 2020, at 9:06 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks Steven. It does look similar to my tracks. Less secure than I
>> would
>> > have thought.  Your track looks to be longer than my set up.
>> > Thanks again for the help.
>> > Cary
>> > S/V Whisper
>> >
>> > On Tue, Nov 17, 2020, 8:56 AM Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> My boat is a 1990 but probably similar vintage motor lift. The stopper
>> is
>> >> only on the starboard side track with is longer than the port side. It
>> is
>> >> not through-bolted to the transom and just unscrews. The bolt is
>> covered
>> >> with a plastic or composite bushing.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 9:11 AM Richard Stott <
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Nabble is a PITA
>> >>> Here are some pics.
>> >>> Westmarine mount is temporary.
>> >>> The GB 1-1/4" x 1-1/4" rails are 11 7/8” apart - out to out.
>> >>> My new rails will extend past the useless rub rail.
>> >>> But -They will not extend past the top of the transom.
>> >>> It will be manual.
>> >>> The stops are simple 1/4” aluminum bolts at the bottom of the rails.
>> >>> More to follow
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> >>> www.stottarchitecture.com
>> >>> Office  631-283-1777
>> >>> Cell            516-965-3164
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Nov 16, 2020, at 9:48 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks Rob
>> >>>> There is a good reason for asking questions.  The more brains the
>> >> better.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 16, 2020, 8:32 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Cary,
>> >>>>> I don't believe grease on the tracks would be a good idea.  Any
>> grease
>> >>>>> would attract and hold dirt, which will just add to the wear.  I
>> >> think a
>> >>>>> spray lubricant such as Sailcoat would be the most you would want to
>> >>> use. -
>> >>>>> Rob
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ________________________________
>> >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf
>> of
>> >>>>> Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
>> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2020 4:07 PM
>> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help with motor mount
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks Ric. You mentioned, from your survey, that we had the same
>> >> mount.
>> >>>>> The pictures would be really great. If you could give me the
>> >>>>> dimensions that would put me in business.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> While I am at it, I have one more question for those on da List.
>> Does
>> >>>>> anyone have experience with silicone dielectric grease as lubricant
>> >> on a
>> >>>>> track. I am thinking of  the rails of the motor lift.
>> >>>>> Cary
>> >>>>> Whisper
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 3:21 PM Ric Stott <
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Cory
>> >>>>>> The pics I see of the red boat has a motor mount a grade level up
>> >> from
>> >>>>>> mine.  My aluminum rails are attached directly to the hull. There
>> is
>> >> a
>> >>>>>> Delrin (I think) strip that runs on the inside of the channel,
>> bottom
>> >>> to
>> >>>>>> top. I took some pics and will send them out on Monday if I can.
>> >>>>>> Ric
>> >>>>>> Dadventure
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Nov 14, 2020, at 11:38 AM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> The minute I get off the waiting list at your marina I'll pull
>> the
>> >>>>>> trigger
>> >>>>>>> on getting a recycled one from Stan.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM Cary Tolbert <
>> retiredtoby at gmail.com
>> >>>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Lee. Your boat looks like it was upgraded in its  life.
>> That
>> >>>>>> system
>> >>>>>>>> is much newer and a better thought out system than the one on my
>> >> 86.
>> >>>>>>>> Rob's 90 something has something similar for his 9.9 hp with all
>> >>>>>> electrical
>> >>>>>>>> controls.
>> >>>>>>>> Any luck on tracking down your Rhodes 22 to be?
>> >>>>>>>> Cary
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 11:18 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Gary,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Don't know if any of the attached of my former 1986 AT EASE will
>> >>>>> help.
>> >>>>>>>>> Might need to enlarge.  Seems like a variety of stops might
>> work.
>> >>>>> Good
>> >>>>>>>>> luck!
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Lee
>> >>>>>>>>> No Boat Yet
>> >>>>>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2020 at 10:16 AM Cary Tolbert <
>> >>> retiredtoby at gmail.com
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I am asking for help with photos for an 86 Rhodes.  My boat was
>> >>>>>>>>>> apparently hit
>> >>>>>>>>>> in the marina and I have a damaged motor mount. I was able to
>> >>>>> salvage
>> >>>>>>>>> most
>> >>>>>>>>>> of the damaged parts and replicate them from existing patterns
>> of
>> >>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>> old
>> >>>>>>>>>> parts.
>> >>>>>>>>>> However, the LOWER STOPS were missing. So at this point I have
>> no
>> >>>>> idea
>> >>>>>>>>> what
>> >>>>>>>>>> I need to do to replicate these parts. Photos will be very
>> >> helpful.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Measurement would also be greatly appreciated. I am guessing
>> any
>> >>>>> boat
>> >>>>>>>>> from
>> >>>>>>>>>> an 82 to an 89 may have a very similar set up.  Ric I am glad
>> you
>> >>>>> can
>> >>>>>>>> now
>> >>>>>>>>>> send pictures with your computer. You mentioned that we have
>> the
>> >>>>> same
>> >>>>>>>> set
>> >>>>>>>>>> up. What type of material did Stan use for the stops?  Stan
>> said,
>> >>> he
>> >>>>>> no
>> >>>>>>>>>> longer makes this type of mount and cannot furnish parts. So I
>> >> must
>> >>>>>>>> rely
>> >>>>>>>>> on
>> >>>>>>>>>> your help and my modest skills to be able to sail next season.
>> >>>>>>>>>> It must have been a lot of force on the collision as I found
>> >> three
>> >>>>>>>> 1/4
>> >>>>>>>>>> inch stainless steel bolts bent to 90 degrees and one bolt was
>> >>>>> sheared
>> >>>>>>>>> into
>> >>>>>>>>>> two pieces.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for your help,
>> >>>>>>>>>> Cary Tolbert
>> >>>>>>>>>> S/V Whisper "86
>> >>>>>>>>>> Radford, VA
>> >>>>>>>>>>
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