[Rhodes22-list] 175 vs 130 Genoa

Jesse Shumaker jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com
Tue Nov 24 16:03:44 EST 2020


Mary Lou and Olivier, thanks for the additional photos and sharing about
the wing on wing setup.  That is a pretty sail and does look fun!

On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 2:42 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mary Lou’s old sail is still fun!
>
> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That’s looks like an interesting set up. Visibility looks a little iffy.
> > I’d probably end up t-boning someone.😊
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Nov 24, 2020, at 11:03 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > We did use it wing on wing a few times. I will say the boat was
> > probably faster on a very broad reach with all sail than downwind wing on
> > wing but in a nice steady breeze it was fun and not at all squirelly. The
> > photos are from the first time we tried it and we tried it both with the
> > one whisker pole and with no pole and didn't really see much difference.
> We
> > used a ring at the base of the mast to attach the pole. We had a bit of
> > track to mount a moveable ring on the mast to get a better angle but we
> > never did it.
> > >
> > > As far as pad eye placement the 4" gave plenty of room for the
> > mini-furler and it didn't interfere {much} with the 175 sheets.
> > >
> > > I really loved that sail. It was a bit of hassle to rig and take down
> > but it was so much fun and so forgiving. The only time we ever had an
> issue
> > was one time on a run down the bay. We had the sail poled out and didn't
> > really notice the wind rising until it seemed somewhat dangerous for me
> to
> > go forward to take it down. We solved that by blanketing it with the
> main.
> > Once I got the pole unclipped the sail was easy to handle because it was
> so
> > lightweight.
> > >
> > > I think there were about 5 or 6 of us that were in on the initial group
> > talking to Doyle about the sail. I'm not sure how many ultimately bought
> > one.
> > >
> > > Mary Lou
> > > ex Rhodes 22
> > > now Rosborough RF-246
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> On 11/24/2020 8:39 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote:
> > >> Now that I look at the link Mary Lou provided, I see the suggestion is
> > to
> > >> mount the pad eye about 4 inches behind the forestay.
> > >>
> > >> Just curious, has anyone else gotten the UPS sail and if so, have you
> > found
> > >> it helpful?
> > >>
> > >> Also, for those that have  the UPS sail - has anyone tried using a
> dual
> > >> headsail (genoa + UPS) wing on wing arrangement without the main going
> > >> downwind?  It seems like that would be helpful since you wouldn't have
> > to
> > >> worry about an accidental jibe.  I suppose it may be helpful/necessary
> > to
> > >> have a whisker pole for each headsail in that case.
> > >>
> > >> Jesse Shumaker
> > >> S/V Zephyr
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Nov 24, 2020 at 7:10 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> > >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Mary Lou, thanks for sharing the great photos of the Code 0 / UPS
> sail.
> > >>> Do you recall any particulars (how far back) regarding the pad-eye
> > >>> placement behind the forestay?  I'm adding a plate as a base for a
> bow
> > >>> roller, so I think I may add a pad-eye to the base plate while I'm
> > working
> > >>> on this project.  All of this will be through bolted to a backing
> > plate on
> > >>> the interior of the deck in the v-berth, so it will be adequately
> > >>> supported.  I don't have a Code 0 / UPS right now, but it would be
> > nice to
> > >>> have the pad-eye in place in case I do get one of those sails later.
> > >>>
> > >>> Peter, have you been happy with the placement of your pad-eye that
> you
> > >>> added for your UPS sail?  I saw your setup where you added a pad eye
> to
> > >>> your bow sprit in one of your youtube videos.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Jesse Shumaker
> > >>> S/V Zephyr
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Mon, Nov 23, 2020 at 9:59 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi Tom,
> > >>>> There's still some (very old) info on the Rhodes owners website from
> > >>>> when we were initially talking about the sail.
> > >>>> (http://rhodes22.org/upssail/index.html) I don't think Doyle
> actually
> > >>>> sells this sail anymore but they or someone might make you one. A
> > search
> > >>>> of the archives for UPS might yield some more a lot posts. It's more
> > of
> > >>>> what they were calling at the time a Code 0 rather than a spinnaker
> > and
> > >>>> could be sailed to somewhere above a beam reach. In addition to the
> > >>>> sail, we needed to add a halyard, a halyard restrainer and a padeye
> on
> > >>>> the foredeck behind the jib for the minifurler for the UPS to attach
> > to.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The sail was just a tremendous amount of fun to play with. The
> > attached
> > >>>> photos are our old boat flying the UPS on a particularly lovely day
> > when
> > >>>> we sailed south from Rock Hall, MD, came around the point at Eastern
> > >>>> Neck Island and then sailed northeast up the Chester River all with
> > the
> > >>>> UPS and no tacks in a north wind. And then a helicopter came and
> took
> > >>>> our picture. Just an unbelievably wonderful day.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mary Lou
> > >>>> ex Rhodes 22
> > >>>> now Rosborough RF-246
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 11/23/2020 7:01 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote:
> > >>>>> I like the sound and added hassle of the second sail. The boat is
> > >>>> generally
> > >>>>> so easy to sail... gimme something to do! Lol  Anyone have an
> archive
> > >>>> link
> > >>>>> to appease my curiosity in the details?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> .... I'm excited to be able to sail in the same direction for more
> > than
> > >>>> 15
> > >>>>> minutes!!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I want to say, as I can get away with it this week, how thankful we
> > are
> > >>>> for
> > >>>>> this community.  We learn so much, we have fun, we are smart
> people,
> > and
> > >>>>> it's just... swell.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Smooth sailing,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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