From markwynn at verizon.net Tue Sep 1 07:34:20 2020 From: markwynn at verizon.net (Mark Wynn) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 11:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive References: <1385550818.1039851.1598960060505.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1385550818.1039851.1598960060505@mail.yahoo.com> I briefly had a T 1003?long shaft, but replaced it with a gas outboard since the power was inadequate for the R22.?But yes, the tiller handle will tilt up to some extent. The wires remain attached if the tiller tilts.? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Monday, August 31, 2020,?Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list??wrote: Ah okay, long shaft - thank you!? Can the tiller handle rotate upwards to some extent while operating? I find that necessary for my Merc 3.5 > On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:03 PM, CPBoyce wrote: > > ?Travel 1003 long shaft as our backup. Will try to send photos tomorrow. > > Celia > > > > ----- > The Boyces > s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Tue Sep 1 08:26:58 2020 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 12:26:58 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive In-Reply-To: <9EEF023E-F90E-48F5-91A5-79DD32F83C56@yahoo.com> References: <1598835785997-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <9EEF023E-F90E-48F5-91A5-79DD32F83C56@yahoo.com> Message-ID: You have to have the seperate control box. The tiller control won?t work when the motor in lowered to be in the water. Otherwise it?s pretty cool Sent from my iPhone Charles Nieman > On Aug 31, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?Ah okay, long shaft - thank you! Can the tiller handle rotate upwards to some extent while operating? I find that necessary for my Merc 3.5 > >> On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:03 PM, CPBoyce wrote: >> >> ?Travel 1003 long shaft as our backup. Will try to send photos tomorrow. >> >> Celia >> >> >> >> ----- >> The Boyces >> s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Sep 1 09:11:44 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 08:11:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive In-Reply-To: <1385550818.1039851.1598960060505@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1385550818.1039851.1598960060505.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1385550818.1039851.1598960060505@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: A silly thought about the 1003.... What about linking 2 of them? Ya know all those center councils with multiple drive systems... 2 of these units still weight less than my 4 stroke. I am sure I wasn't the first to think this, but not seeing that tried anywhere. On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 6:34 AM Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I briefly had a T 1003 long shaft, but replaced it with a gas outboard > since the power was inadequate for the R22. But yes, the tiller handle will > tilt up to some extent. The wires remain attached if the tiller tilts. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Monday, August 31, 2020, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > Ah okay, long shaft - thank you! Can the tiller handle rotate upwards to > some extent while operating? I find that necessary for my Merc 3.5 > > > On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:03 PM, CPBoyce wrote: > > > > ?Travel 1003 long shaft as our backup. Will try to send photos tomorrow. > > > > Celia > > > > > > > > ----- > > The Boyces > > s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 09:48:09 2020 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 06:48:09 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive In-Reply-To: References: <1598835785997-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9EEF023E-F90E-48F5-91A5-79DD32F83C56@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I have had a Torqueedo 1003 long for 10 years. It is fine for lake sailing and can be recharged from the house battery using a 12 volt cable from the manufacturer. This setup recharges while you sail and I often come back w/ full charge. You do not need the remote control as the tiller can tilt up when motor is down. Cheers Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 5:27 AM Charles Nieman wrote: > You have to have the seperate control box. The tiller control won?t work > when the motor in lowered to be in the water. Otherwise it?s pretty cool > > Sent from my iPhone > > Charles Nieman > > > > On Aug 31, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > ?Ah okay, long shaft - thank you! Can the tiller handle rotate upwards > to some extent while operating? I find that necessary for my Merc 3.5 > > > >> On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:03 PM, CPBoyce wrote: > >> > >> ?Travel 1003 long shaft as our backup. Will try to send photos tomorrow. > >> > >> Celia > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> The Boyces > >> s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Sep 1 12:51:40 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 16:51:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive Weight Effect On Fore/Aft Trim & Boat Speed In-Reply-To: References: <1598835785997-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9EEF023E-F90E-48F5-91A5-79DD32F83C56@yahoo.com> , Message-ID: Hi All, When some of you start talking about heavy batteries and then have to add dead weight to balance out the port/starboard trim, I just cringe! The Rhodes 22 is also sensitive to fore/aft trim. Adding a lot of weight in the stern is the best way to cause the fore/aft trim to be down by the stern. Not only does this use up some of the boat?s reserve buoyancy; but, down by the stern trim is SLOW! The area of the hull aft of the shoal draft keel needs to slope upwards in order to speed the flow of water off the transom W/O turbulence. Down by the stern trim effectively turns that surface area into a huge trim plate with a massive increase in drag. The fore/aft trim is best if the boat is level at the gunnel. In smooth water, the boat is actually slightly faster with a slight down by the bow trim. But, this is not advisable if there are waves > 1-2 ft because the boat needs the buoyancy in the bow to punch thru waves and ride up over them. Please rethink where you locate all that weight. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Shawn Boles Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:48:09 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive I have had a Torqueedo 1003 long for 10 years. It is fine for lake sailing and can be recharged from the house battery using a 12 volt cable from the manufacturer. This setup recharges while you sail and I often come back w/ full charge. You do not need the remote control as the tiller can tilt up when motor is down. Cheers Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 5:27 AM Charles Nieman wrote: > You have to have the seperate control box. The tiller control won?t work > when the motor in lowered to be in the water. Otherwise it?s pretty cool > > Sent from my iPhone > > Charles Nieman > > > > On Aug 31, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > ?Ah okay, long shaft - thank you! Can the tiller handle rotate upwards > to some extent while operating? I find that necessary for my Merc 3.5 > > > >> On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:03 PM, CPBoyce wrote: > >> > >> ?Travel 1003 long shaft as our backup. Will try to send photos tomorrow. > >> > >> Celia > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> The Boyces > >> s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Sep 1 12:57:19 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 11:57:19 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive Weight Effect On Fore/Aft Trim & Boat Speed In-Reply-To: References: <1598835785997-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9EEF023E-F90E-48F5-91A5-79DD32F83C56@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Thanks Rodger. This is very true and noticeable with the right (meaning wrong) sail plant too. I am not good enough to not have the outboard, but I certainly don't like the weight. Especially with the trailering balance. And travelling waves of lake michigan. As we all have different outfittings, I like the idea of placing batteries most efficiently to balance, just not 10k worth of an issue to fix. She sails really well still IMHO. On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 11:51 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > When some of you start talking about heavy batteries and then have to add > dead weight to balance out the port/starboard trim, I just cringe! The > Rhodes 22 is also sensitive to fore/aft trim. Adding a lot of weight in > the stern is the best way to cause the fore/aft trim to be down by the > stern. Not only does this use up some of the boat?s reserve buoyancy; but, > down by the stern trim is SLOW! The area of the hull aft of the shoal > draft keel needs to slope upwards in order to speed the flow of water off > the transom W/O turbulence. Down by the stern trim effectively turns that > surface area into a huge trim plate with a massive increase in drag. The > fore/aft trim is best if the boat is level at the gunnel. In smooth water, > the boat is actually slightly faster with a slight down by the bow trim. > But, this is not advisable if there are waves > 1-2 ft because the boat > needs the buoyancy in the bow to punch thru waves and ride up over them. > Please rethink where you locate all that weight. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Shawn Boles > Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 9:48:09 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive > > I have had a Torqueedo 1003 long for 10 years. It is fine for lake sailing > and can be recharged from the house battery using a 12 volt cable from the > manufacturer. This setup recharges while you sail and I often come back w/ > full charge. > > > You do not need the remote control as the tiller can tilt up when motor is > down. > > Cheers > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020, 5:27 AM Charles Nieman > wrote: > > > You have to have the seperate control box. The tiller control won?t work > > when the motor in lowered to be in the water. Otherwise it?s pretty cool > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Charles Nieman > > > > > > > On Aug 31, 2020, at 9:32 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > ?Ah okay, long shaft - thank you! Can the tiller handle rotate upwards > > to some extent while operating? I find that necessary for my Merc 3.5 > > > > > >> On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:03 PM, CPBoyce wrote: > > >> > > >> ?Travel 1003 long shaft as our backup. Will try to send photos > tomorrow. > > >> > > >> Celia > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- > > >> The Boyces > > >> s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) > > >> -- > > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > From lgioia at yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 13:00:01 2020 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 13:00:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive In-Reply-To: <1385550818.1039851.1598960060505@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1385550818.1039851.1598960060505@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <462A255A-D887-48DB-943D-9944F3D00D12@yahoo.com> Thank you! What HP did you replace it with? > On Sep 1, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?I briefly had a T 1003 long shaft, but replaced it with a gas outboard since the power was inadequate for the R22. But yes, the tiller handle will tilt up to some extent. The wires remain attached if the tiller tilts. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Monday, August 31, 2020, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Ah okay, long shaft - thank you! Can the tiller handle rotate upwards to some extent while operating? I find that necessary for my Merc 3.5 > >> On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:03 PM, CPBoyce wrote: >> >> ?Travel 1003 long shaft as our backup. Will try to send photos tomorrow. >> >> Celia >> >> >> >> ----- >> The Boyces >> s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From markwynn at verizon.net Tue Sep 1 13:24:35 2020 From: markwynn at verizon.net (Mark Wynn) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 17:24:35 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive References: <947742936.1186739.1598981075598.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <947742936.1186739.1598981075598@mail.yahoo.com> I now have a Yamaha 6, which is plenty.? Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On?Tuesday, September 1, 2020,?Larry Gioia??wrote: Thank you! What HP did you replace it with? > On Sep 1, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?I briefly had a T 1003 long shaft, but replaced it with a gas outboard since the power was inadequate for the R22. But yes, the tiller handle will tilt up to some extent. The wires remain attached if the tiller tilts. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > On Monday, August 31, 2020, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Ah okay, long shaft - thank you!? Can the tiller handle rotate upwards to some extent while operating? I find that necessary for my Merc 3.5 > >> On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:03 PM, CPBoyce wrote: >> >> ?Travel 1003 long shaft as our backup. Will try to send photos tomorrow. >> >> Celia >> >> >> >> ----- >> The Boyces >> s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) >> -- >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From lgioia at yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 14:23:32 2020 From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:23:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive In-Reply-To: <947742936.1186739.1598981075598@mail.yahoo.com> References: <947742936.1186739.1598981075598@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3673E781-CD34-41E1-8308-9315A9E2BF17@yahoo.com> Definitely- I have a Suzuki 6 on my other (?86) Rhodes, it?s great. > On Sep 1, 2020, at 1:24 PM, Mark Wynn wrote: > > ?I now have a Yamaha 6, which is plenty. > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Tuesday, September 1, 2020, Larry Gioia wrote: > > Thank you! What HP did you replace it with? > > > On Sep 1, 2020, at 7:34 AM, Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > > > ?I briefly had a T 1003 long shaft, but replaced it with a gas outboard since the power was inadequate for the R22. But yes, the tiller handle will tilt up to some extent. The wires remain attached if the tiller tilts. > > > > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > > Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com > > On Monday, August 31, 2020, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > > > Ah okay, long shaft - thank you! Can the tiller handle rotate upwards to some extent while operating? I find that necessary for my Merc 3.5 > > > >> On Aug 30, 2020, at 9:03 PM, CPBoyce wrote: > >> > >> ?Travel 1003 long shaft as our backup. Will try to send photos tomorrow. > >> > >> Celia > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> The Boyces > >> s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) > >> -- > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From stevenalm at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 15:16:13 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:16:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey, mine just came apart too! My boat is a 1990 and has the 6-1 tackle system. It didn't actually break as far as I can tell, it just popped out of the track. The four ears seem to be okay except 3 out of 4 bushings are gone and the one that's left is damaged. There's so much play, approx. 1/2" side to side in the tracks that I think the track just flexed ever so slightly and allowed the ear to pop out. It happened when we were under sail, motor off, raised up and tilted up. It would be nice if I could replace the bushings ? are they available? ? but more importantly I need to use strips of starboard or something to fill the gaps on both sides. The strips need to be about 1/4" thick, 1 and a half inches wide and maybe 18" long. I think I can slide them in from the top along the inside of the tracks on each side. That would reduce the side to side play and probably work until I decide to upgrade to a new system. Here's a couple pics: ?Slim Fandango On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 5:31 PM Cary Tolbert wrote: > By chance, does anyone have a photo of the stop at the end of the rail ? > Thanks > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 5:05 PM Chris Cowie > wrote: > > > Richard: > > > > We installed electric actuators on the westmarine motor lift for a clean > > off the shelf type of solution. Works pretty well and avoids a lot of > > fussy custom hardware. > > > > Christopher P. Cowie > > > > 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119 > > Washington DC, 20016 > > 202.270.1470 mobile > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Richard Stott > > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:14 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away > > > > Cary > > My ?84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8 went in > > the drink. > > I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could > continue > > to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand. > > Its a stinky smoky ?99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs when > > it need it - well almost always. > > I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan to > > convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his sketch) so > > that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric motor. > > This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped with. > > I?ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design of > > Mikes - that?s a winter project. > > > > In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has pros > > and cons. > > One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is father > > aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger waves, > > especially with weight on the bow. > > I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the West > > marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need. > > (What I really want is an electric, steerable, remote controlled, 20 hp > > sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.) It?s doable for > > approximately one tone of money. > > > > One way I use the boat is unusual. > > I moore my boat 50 yards off shore. > > I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and easy to > > cary to the shore. > > I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on to the > > beach to pick up provisions and of course my wife, who is not one to > > paddle out to the boat. > > Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes put the > > stern right on the beach. > > An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a huge > > asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year) Ric sv > > Dadventure stay tuned for ?motor mount mod? updates > > > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > Office 631-283-1777 > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert > wrote: > > > > > > Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg > > > 20200825_174517.jpg > > > 4 MB > > > < > > > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=be1ab8c6c5&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-7374969717110164997&th=1742adb6a4937cb8&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=1742adb12d8c3f23bf81 > > >Once > > > again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to the > lake > > > and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the > motor > > > attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s chain. > > Lucky > > > or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he has > > long > > > moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the starboard > > > material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My question > is > > > should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a > > > gerneric system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say something > > that > > > would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of > > > experience on the list > > > Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86 > > > Radford, VA > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MotorMount.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2575580 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bushing.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1981027 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Sep 1 15:41:20 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 15:41:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My system ?84 does not have round bushings. It has Delrin slides, which I replaced in 2014. The slides run the length of the sliding bracket. My tracks are thinner aluminum stock also. This is a link Mike Riter sent on the parts list for our type of Motor Lift. I suspect this winter will produce a new lift. Ric sv Dadventure HBNY Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Sep 1, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Steven Alm wrote: > > Hey, mine just came apart too! My boat is a 1990 and has the 6-1 tackle > system. It didn't actually break as far as I can tell, it just popped out > of the track. The four ears seem to be okay except 3 out of 4 bushings are > gone and the one that's left is damaged. There's so much play, approx. 1/2" > side to side in the tracks that I think the track just flexed ever so > slightly and allowed the ear to pop out. It happened when we were under > sail, motor off, raised up and tilted up. It would be nice if I could > replace the bushings ? are they available? ? but more importantly I need to > use strips of starboard or something to fill the gaps on both sides. The > strips need to be about 1/4" thick, 1 and a half inches wide and maybe 18" > long. I think I can slide them in from the top along the inside of the > tracks on each side. That would reduce the side to side play and probably > work until I decide to upgrade to a new system. Here's a couple pics: > ?Slim > Fandango > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 5:31 PM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > >> By chance, does anyone have a photo of the stop at the end of the rail ? >> Thanks >> >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 5:05 PM Chris Cowie > >> wrote: >> >>> Richard: >>> >>> We installed electric actuators on the westmarine motor lift for a clean >>> off the shelf type of solution. Works pretty well and avoids a lot of >>> fussy custom hardware. >>> >>> Christopher P. Cowie >>> >>> 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119 >>> Washington DC, 20016 >>> 202.270.1470 mobile >>> [ccowie at cowieassociates.com ] >>> >>> >>> >>> Please consider the environment before printing this email. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list > On Behalf Of >>> Richard Stott >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:14 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away >>> >>> Cary >>> My ?84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8 went in >>> the drink. >>> I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could >> continue >>> to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand. >>> Its a stinky smoky ?99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs when >>> it need it - well almost always. >>> I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan to >>> convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his sketch) so >>> that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric motor. >>> This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped with. >>> I?ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design of >>> Mikes - that?s a winter project. >>> >>> In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has pros >>> and cons. >>> One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is father >>> aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger waves, >>> especially with weight on the bow. >>> I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the West >>> marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need. >>> (What I really want is an electric, steerable, remote controlled, 20 hp >>> sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.) It?s doable for >>> approximately one tone of money. >>> >>> One way I use the boat is unusual. >>> I moore my boat 50 yards off shore. >>> I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and easy to >>> cary to the shore. >>> I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on to the >>> beach to pick up provisions and of course my wife, who is not one to >>> paddle out to the boat. >>> Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes put the >>> stern right on the beach. >>> An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a huge >>> asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year) Ric sv >>> Dadventure stay tuned for ?motor mount mod? updates >>> >>> >>> >>> Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP >>> www.stottarchitecture.com > >>> Office 631-283-1777 >>> Cell 516-965-3164 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg >>>> 20200825_174517.jpg >>>> 4 MB >>>> < >>> >> https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=be1ab8c6c5&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-7374969717110164997&th=1742adb6a4937cb8&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=1742adb12d8c3f23bf81 >>>> Once >>>> again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to the >> lake >>>> and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the >> motor >>>> attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s chain. >>> Lucky >>>> or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he has >>> long >>>> moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the starboard >>>> material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My question >> is >>>> should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a >>>> gerneric system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say something >>> that >>>> would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of >>>> experience on the list >>>> Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86 >>>> Radford, VA >>> >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: MotorMount.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2575580 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Bushing.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1981027 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Sep 1 16:44:00 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 20:44:00 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Slim, Looks to me you have a wooden strip on your port slide but not your starboard? Might explain some of the slop you have in your lift. Sound like most mounts these days don't use the bushings but just use slides. Maybe you could replace all four slides with ones that are wider and thicker so they would span the distance between your tracks? - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Steven Alm Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 3:16 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away Hey, mine just came apart too! My boat is a 1990 and has the 6-1 tackle system. It didn't actually break as far as I can tell, it just popped out of the track. The four ears seem to be okay except 3 out of 4 bushings are gone and the one that's left is damaged. There's so much play, approx. 1/2" side to side in the tracks that I think the track just flexed ever so slightly and allowed the ear to pop out. It happened when we were under sail, motor off, raised up and tilted up. It would be nice if I could replace the bushings ? are they available? ? but more importantly I need to use strips of starboard or something to fill the gaps on both sides. The strips need to be about 1/4" thick, 1 and a half inches wide and maybe 18" long. I think I can slide them in from the top along the inside of the tracks on each side. That would reduce the side to side play and probably work until I decide to upgrade to a new system. Here's a couple pics: ?Slim Fandango On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 5:31 PM Cary Tolbert wrote: > By chance, does anyone have a photo of the stop at the end of the rail ? > Thanks > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 5:05 PM Chris Cowie > wrote: > > > Richard: > > > > We installed electric actuators on the westmarine motor lift for a clean > > off the shelf type of solution. Works pretty well and avoids a lot of > > fussy custom hardware. > > > > Christopher P. Cowie > > > > 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119 > > Washington DC, 20016 > > 202.270.1470 mobile > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Richard Stott > > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:14 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away > > > > Cary > > My ?84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8 went in > > the drink. > > I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could > continue > > to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand. > > Its a stinky smoky ?99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs when > > it need it - well almost always. > > I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan to > > convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his sketch) so > > that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric motor. > > This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped with. > > I?ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design of > > Mikes - that?s a winter project. > > > > In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has pros > > and cons. > > One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is father > > aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger waves, > > especially with weight on the bow. > > I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the West > > marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need. > > (What I really want is an electric, steerable, remote controlled, 20 hp > > sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.) It?s doable for > > approximately one tone of money. > > > > One way I use the boat is unusual. > > I moore my boat 50 yards off shore. > > I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and easy to > > cary to the shore. > > I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on to the > > beach to pick up provisions and of course my wife, who is not one to > > paddle out to the boat. > > Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes put the > > stern right on the beach. > > An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a huge > > asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year) Ric sv > > Dadventure stay tuned for ?motor mount mod? updates > > > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > Office 631-283-1777 > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert > wrote: > > > > > > Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg > > > 20200825_174517.jpg > > > 4 MB > > > < > > > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=be1ab8c6c5&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-7374969717110164997&th=1742adb6a4937cb8&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=1742adb12d8c3f23bf81 > > >Once > > > again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to the > lake > > > and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the > motor > > > attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s chain. > > Lucky > > > or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he has > > long > > > moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the starboard > > > material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My question > is > > > should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a > > > gerneric system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say something > > that > > > would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of > > > experience on the list > > > Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86 > > > Radford, VA > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MotorMount.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2575580 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Bushing.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1981027 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Sep 1 16:51:37 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 20:51:37 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fw: Motor lift In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Slim, I had sent these photos to Cary, not the entire list. These show my slides from my motor lift and the channel they ride in. They look like they are made of Starboard? I don't know if you can get these from Stan or not but I expect you could fabricate yourself if need be. - rob ________________________________ From: Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 11:31 AM To: Cary Tolbert Subject: RE: Motor lift Cary, Here are a couple of pictures of the part that goes in the slide as well as the slide itself. Looks like just pieces of Starboard that has been cut, shaped, and drilled. 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Name: IMG_20200830_135025173.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2133244 bytes Desc: IMG_20200830_135025173.jpg URL: From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Sep 1 17:23:42 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 17:23:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor lift In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7A775433-D0F6-4476-B583-CAE73A10E21E@stottarchitecture.com> I bought Delrin stock from McMaster Carr and made them on my cheap table saw. Drilled holes with my battery drill. Each slide is one piece that slides in the track, it?s about 7 inches long and fits fairly tightly in the ?U? channel. Ric Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Sep 1, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Slim, > I had sent these photos to Cary, not the entire list. These show my slides from my motor lift and the channel they ride in. They look like they are made of Starboard? I don't know if you can get these from Stan or not but I expect you could fabricate yourself if need be. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Lowe, Rob > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 11:31 AM > To: Cary Tolbert > Subject: RE: Motor lift > > > Cary, > > Here are a couple of pictures of the part that goes in the slide as well as the slide itself. Looks like just pieces of Starboard that has been cut, shaped, and drilled. I expect you would make something similar or maybe find a shop that could make you some new ones. ? rob > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200830_134925263.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2146146 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200830_134925263.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200830_134955551.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2730613 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200830_134955551.jpg > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200830_135025173.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2133244 bytes > Desc: IMG_20200830_135025173.jpg > URL: From stevenalm at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 17:51:13 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 16:51:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Rob. Yeah, there's a wood strip on the port side and another strip on the other side that's UHMWPE or Starboard or something. I vaguely remember fiddling with it maybe 20 years ago and have had no issues since. What kind of slides are you referring to? Do they somehow retrofit on the round ears that I have, and are they still available? ?Slim Fandango On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:44 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Slim, > Looks to me you have a wooden strip on your port slide but not your > starboard? Might explain some of the slop you have in your lift. Sound > like most mounts these days don't use the bushings but just use slides. > Maybe you could replace all four slides with ones that are wider and > thicker so they would span the distance between your tracks? - rob > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Steven Alm > Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 3:16 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away > > Hey, mine just came apart too! My boat is a 1990 and has the 6-1 tackle > system. It didn't actually break as far as I can tell, it just popped out > of the track. The four ears seem to be okay except 3 out of 4 bushings are > gone and the one that's left is damaged. There's so much play, approx. 1/2" > side to side in the tracks that I think the track just flexed ever so > slightly and allowed the ear to pop out. It happened when we were under > sail, motor off, raised up and tilted up. It would be nice if I could > replace the bushings ? are they available? ? but more importantly I need to > use strips of starboard or something to fill the gaps on both sides. The > strips need to be about 1/4" thick, 1 and a half inches wide and maybe 18" > long. I think I can slide them in from the top along the inside of the > tracks on each side. That would reduce the side to side play and probably > work until I decide to upgrade to a new system. Here's a couple pics: > ?Slim > Fandango > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 5:31 PM Cary Tolbert > wrote: > > > By chance, does anyone have a photo of the stop at the end of the rail ? > > Thanks > > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 5:05 PM Chris Cowie > > wrote: > > > > > Richard: > > > > > > We installed electric actuators on the westmarine motor lift for a > clean > > > off the shelf type of solution. Works pretty well and avoids a lot of > > > fussy custom hardware. > > > > > > Christopher P. Cowie > > > > > > 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119 > > > Washington DC, 20016 > > > 202.270.1470 mobile > > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > > > > > > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > > Richard Stott > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:14 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away > > > > > > Cary > > > My ?84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8 went in > > > the drink. > > > I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could > > continue > > > to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand. > > > Its a stinky smoky ?99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs > when > > > it need it - well almost always. > > > I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan to > > > convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his sketch) > so > > > that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric motor. > > > This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped with. > > > I?ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design of > > > Mikes - that?s a winter project. > > > > > > In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has pros > > > and cons. > > > One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is father > > > aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger waves, > > > especially with weight on the bow. > > > I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the West > > > marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need. > > > (What I really want is an electric, steerable, remote controlled, 20 > hp > > > sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.) It?s doable for > > > approximately one tone of money. > > > > > > One way I use the boat is unusual. > > > I moore my boat 50 yards off shore. > > > I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and easy > to > > > cary to the shore. > > > I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on to > the > > > beach to pick up provisions and of course my wife, who is not one to > > > paddle out to the boat. > > > Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes put > the > > > stern right on the beach. > > > An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a huge > > > asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year) Ric sv > > > Dadventure stay tuned for ?motor mount mod? updates > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > > www.stottarchitecture.com < > http://www.stottarchitecture.com/> > > > Office 631-283-1777 > > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg > > > > 20200825_174517.jpg > > > > 4 MB > > > > < > > > > > > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=be1ab8c6c5&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-7374969717110164997&th=1742adb6a4937cb8&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=1742adb12d8c3f23bf81 > > > >Once > > > > again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to the > > lake > > > > and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the > > motor > > > > attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s chain. > > > Lucky > > > > or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he has > > > long > > > > moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the starboard > > > > material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My question > > is > > > > should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a > > > > gerneric system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say something > > > that > > > > would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of > > > > experience on the list > > > > Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86 > > > > Radford, VA > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: MotorMount.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2575580 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200901/e4b5a7ab/attachment.jpeg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Bushing.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1981027 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200901/e4b5a7ab/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > From stevenalm at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 19:20:40 2020 From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 18:20:40 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor lift In-Reply-To: <7A775433-D0F6-4476-B583-CAE73A10E21E@stottarchitecture.com> References: <7A775433-D0F6-4476-B583-CAE73A10E21E@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Nice. Any thoughts on one long piece with two holes per side? Maybe four short ones slide easier? Slim On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 4:23 PM Ric Stott wrote: > I bought Delrin stock from McMaster Carr and made them on my cheap table > saw. > Drilled holes with my battery drill. > Each slide is one piece that slides in the track, it?s about 7 inches long > and fits fairly tightly in the ?U? channel. > Ric > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 2020, at 4:51 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > Slim, > > I had sent these photos to Cary, not the entire list. These show my > slides from my motor lift and the channel they ride in. They look like > they are made of Starboard? I don't know if you can get these from Stan or > not but I expect you could fabricate yourself if need be. - rob > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Lowe, Rob > > Sent: Monday, August 31, 2020 11:31 AM > > To: Cary Tolbert > > Subject: RE: Motor lift > > > > > > Cary, > > > > Here are a couple of pictures of the part that goes in the slide as well > as the slide itself. Looks like just pieces of Starboard that has been > cut, shaped, and drilled. I expect you would make something similar or > maybe find a shop that could make you some new ones. ? rob > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200830_134925263.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2146146 bytes > > Desc: IMG_20200830_134925263.jpg > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200901/2726ecf6/attachment.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200830_134955551.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2730613 bytes > > Desc: IMG_20200830_134955551.jpg > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200901/2726ecf6/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200830_135025173.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2133244 bytes > > Desc: IMG_20200830_135025173.jpg > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200901/2726ecf6/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 21:14:35 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 21:14:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ric, Stan advised me to replace my old rails made from starboard with aluminium. I took the old pieces to a machine shop and had them replicated. Do you remember what material the STOP was made of? This was lost when the motor came loose. It appears that the STOP fell out and allowed the pieces that follow the track to slip out. There were twisted bolts and one sheared bolt. They look to be about 1/4 inch stainless steel. Stainless is a bear to drill or saw. Rightly or wrongly I though the Stainless bolts were much stronger. The newer aluminium rails are fine with no damage. The 4 ear pieces that slide in the track are made from 5/8 starboard. Some were in good shape but two were eaten out through the edge of the piece.. Rumer had it (from the previous owner) that the boat was recycled in the late 90s. What are the chances that only two of the ears were replaced at that time. The two failed pieces were in much more deteriorated and worn condition than the other two. But I ramble. The stop is my next concern. Any suggestions on replacement materials. All Rhodies are invited to give their thoughts and experiences. Thanks Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86 On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 5:51 PM Steven Alm wrote: > Hi Rob. Yeah, there's a wood strip on the port side and another strip on > the other side that's UHMWPE or Starboard or something. I vaguely remember > fiddling with it maybe 20 years ago and have had no issues since. What kind > of slides are you referring to? Do they somehow retrofit on the round ears > that I have, and are they still available? > ?Slim > Fandango > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:44 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > Slim, > > Looks to me you have a wooden strip on your port slide but not your > > starboard? Might explain some of the slop you have in your lift. Sound > > like most mounts these days don't use the bushings but just use slides. > > Maybe you could replace all four slides with ones that are wider and > > thicker so they would span the distance between your tracks? - rob > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > > Steven Alm > > Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 3:16 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away > > > > Hey, mine just came apart too! My boat is a 1990 and has the 6-1 tackle > > system. It didn't actually break as far as I can tell, it just popped out > > of the track. The four ears seem to be okay except 3 out of 4 bushings > are > > gone and the one that's left is damaged. There's so much play, approx. > 1/2" > > side to side in the tracks that I think the track just flexed ever so > > slightly and allowed the ear to pop out. It happened when we were under > > sail, motor off, raised up and tilted up. It would be nice if I could > > replace the bushings ? are they available? ? but more importantly I need > to > > use strips of starboard or something to fill the gaps on both sides. The > > strips need to be about 1/4" thick, 1 and a half inches wide and maybe > 18" > > long. I think I can slide them in from the top along the inside of the > > tracks on each side. That would reduce the side to side play and probably > > work until I decide to upgrade to a new system. Here's a couple pics: > > ?Slim > > Fandango > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 5:31 PM Cary Tolbert > > wrote: > > > > > By chance, does anyone have a photo of the stop at the end of the rail > ? > > > Thanks > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 5:05 PM Chris Cowie > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Richard: > > > > > > > > We installed electric actuators on the westmarine motor lift for a > > clean > > > > off the shelf type of solution. Works pretty well and avoids a lot > of > > > > fussy custom hardware. > > > > > > > > Christopher P. Cowie > > > > > > > > 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119 > > > > Washington DC, 20016 > > > > 202.270.1470 mobile > > > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf > Of > > > > Richard Stott > > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:14 AM > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away > > > > > > > > Cary > > > > My ?84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8 went > in > > > > the drink. > > > > I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could > > > continue > > > > to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand. > > > > Its a stinky smoky ?99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs > > when > > > > it need it - well almost always. > > > > I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan to > > > > convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his sketch) > > so > > > > that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric motor. > > > > This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped > with. > > > > I?ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design > of > > > > Mikes - that?s a winter project. > > > > > > > > In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has > pros > > > > and cons. > > > > One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is > father > > > > aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger waves, > > > > especially with weight on the bow. > > > > I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the > West > > > > marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need. > > > > (What I really want is an electric, steerable, remote controlled, 20 > > hp > > > > sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.) It?s doable for > > > > approximately one tone of money. > > > > > > > > One way I use the boat is unusual. > > > > I moore my boat 50 yards off shore. > > > > I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and > easy > > to > > > > cary to the shore. > > > > I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on to > > the > > > > beach to pick up provisions and of course my wife, who is not one to > > > > paddle out to the boat. > > > > Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes put > > the > > > > stern right on the beach. > > > > An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a > huge > > > > asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year) Ric sv > > > > Dadventure stay tuned for ?motor mount mod? updates > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > > > www.stottarchitecture.com < > > http://www.stottarchitecture.com/> > > > > Office 631-283-1777 > > > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg > > > > > 20200825_174517.jpg > > > > > 4 MB > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=be1ab8c6c5&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-7374969717110164997&th=1742adb6a4937cb8&view=att&disp=safe&realattid=1742adb12d8c3f23bf81 > > > > >Once > > > > > again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to the > > > lake > > > > > and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the > > > motor > > > > > attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s > chain. > > > > Lucky > > > > > or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he > has > > > > long > > > > > moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the starboard > > > > > material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My > question > > > is > > > > > should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a > > > > > gerneric system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say > something > > > > that > > > > > would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of > > > > > experience on the list > > > > > Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86 > > > > > Radford, VA > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: MotorMount.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2575580 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200901/e4b5a7ab/attachment.jpeg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Bushing.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 1981027 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200901/e4b5a7ab/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 1 22:07:01 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 22:07:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med Pt 9 Message-ID: Well this is the last installment (finally) of last year's trip from Naples to Western Greece. I should be regaling with tales of this year's trip from Western Greece around the Peloponnese and then over to Turkey. Unfortunately, as we all know life (very tiny microsopic life) gets in the way. Our hope is that next year we can continue the trip. Until then here is a link to the last bit of Greece for a while. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1prGtHP3wR_NCS7YuOwIP_k7NclL-wlG5/view Enjoy! Chris & Alice Geankoplis S/V Enosis I From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 08:36:11 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 07:36:11 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med Pt 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Beautiful photos! Thanks for sharing. It sounds like it was a great trip. Hopefully you'll be having some adventures on the Chesapeake soon, following the repairs on your stateside R22. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 9:07 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Well this is the last installment (finally) of last year's trip from Naples > to Western Greece. I should be regaling with tales of this year's trip > from Western Greece around the Peloponnese and then over to Turkey. > Unfortunately, as we all know life (very tiny microsopic life) gets in the > way. Our hope is that next year we can continue the trip. Until then here > is a link to the last bit of Greece for a while. > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1prGtHP3wR_NCS7YuOwIP_k7NclL-wlG5/view > > > Enjoy! > Chris & Alice Geankoplis > S/V Enosis I > From gramille at tds.net Wed Sep 2 11:02:09 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 08:02:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] on the water replacement of diamondboard pennant line In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1599058929260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Very impressive. I am wondering what can be done to extend the longevity of my pennant line so I can put off this chore for as long as possible? Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From cp.boyce at comcast.net Wed Sep 2 13:07:43 2020 From: cp.boyce at comcast.net (CPBoyce) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 10:07:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing jib furler line Message-ID: <1599066463502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> What brand of jib furler do I have and how do I open it up to put in a new line? (without screwing up anything else!)?? Photos: ----- The Boyces s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From cp.boyce at comcast.net Wed Sep 2 13:11:15 2020 From: cp.boyce at comcast.net (CPBoyce) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 10:11:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing jib furler line In-Reply-To: <1599066463502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599066463502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1599066675308-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Another photo. The line enters into the furler through one small opening and I assume ties off inside. Anyone know how to gain access to the inside to tie it off? The aluminim drum is attached with two screw, on on each side of the drum. ----- The Boyces s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Sep 2 13:57:21 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 17:57:21 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing jib furler line In-Reply-To: <1599066675308-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599066463502-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <1599066675308-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Boyces, I don?t have that brand of roller furler. But, from the photo, it looks the top plate is attached with a couple of screws and comes off, thus enabling access to the inside of the drum. Then, I imagine the furling line just passes thru the hole in the drum and is secured with a stopper knot inside the drum. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: CPBoyce Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 1:11 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing jib furler line Another photo. The line enters into the furler through one small opening and I assume ties off inside. Anyone know how to gain access to the inside to tie it off? The aluminim drum is attached with two screw, on on each side of the drum. ----- The Boyces s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 18:26:20 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 18:26:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med Pt 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Jesse, Yes it was wonderful, and we miss Greece but there's still a few good weeks of sailing here on the Chesapeake. How many depends on how soon I can get the boat in shape. Start one project, find 3 more to do in the meantime. Doing some fiberglass work tomorrow (not my favorite) and then there are some issues with the battery selector being wired incorrectly and the little solar panels are not working. (also not my favorite department). Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:36 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Beautiful photos! Thanks for sharing. It sounds like it was a great > trip. Hopefully you'll be having some adventures on the Chesapeake soon, > following the repairs on your stateside R22. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 9:07 PM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > Well this is the last installment (finally) of last year's trip from > Naples > > to Western Greece. I should be regaling with tales of this year's trip > > from Western Greece around the Peloponnese and then over to Turkey. > > Unfortunately, as we all know life (very tiny microsopic life) gets in > the > > way. Our hope is that next year we can continue the trip. Until then > here > > is a link to the last bit of Greece for a while. > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1prGtHP3wR_NCS7YuOwIP_k7NclL-wlG5/view > > > > > > Enjoy! > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis > > S/V Enosis I > > > From cp.boyce at comcast.net Wed Sep 2 22:02:56 2020 From: cp.boyce at comcast.net (CPBoyce) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 19:02:56 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing jib furler line In-Reply-To: References: <1599066463502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599066675308-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1599098576456-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks Phil. I sent Stan a photo and he said it was a General Boats furler and gave me step by step directions. I have to disconnect the furler from its chainplate and go in from the bottom to do the job. ----- The Boyces s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Wed Sep 2 22:14:01 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 19:14:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars In-Reply-To: <1598480990396-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <002301d675a6$fc5247c0$f4f6d740$@ebsmed.com> <1598480990396-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1599099241708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I considered cargo nets before Chris posted his cruising gear link. I had been afraid the weight of my gear against the line when the boat is on its ears would put too much stress on the fiberglass cockpit casting, deadeyes and any backing plate. I figure it?s better a $20 aluminum bar bends then fiberglass cracks. I pulled for an Erie cruise today and will copy their design while fitting out. Thanks to George and Chris. Alex Cole Lark on the hard (but I did get 2 hrs in 15 knots first). ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Sep 2 22:30:59 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 22:30:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars In-Reply-To: <1599099241708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <002301d675a6$fc5247c0$f4f6d740$@ebsmed.com> <1598480990396-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599099241708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Glad to help. I?m sure it can be improved on. On Wed, 2 Sep 2020 at 22:14, S/V Lark wrote: > I considered cargo nets before Chris posted his cruising gear link. I had > been afraid the weight of my gear against the line when the boat is on its > ears would put too much stress on the fiberglass cockpit casting, deadeyes > and any backing plate. I figure it?s better a $20 aluminum bar bends then > fiberglass cracks. I pulled for an Erie cruise today and will copy their > design while fitting out. Thanks to George and Chris. > > Alex Cole > Lark on the hard (but I did get 2 hrs in 15 knots first). > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From bferguson at jcu.edu Thu Sep 3 10:42:55 2020 From: bferguson at jcu.edu (NewIn76) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 07:42:55 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching Message-ID: <1599144175260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I'm replacing my two hull support bunks on my trailer. Do they need to be pre-curved before putting the boat on or will dunking the trailer and putting a wet boat on them force them to take shape? I saw a post where the owner used ratchet straps to create the curve and other posts where it said it wasn't necessary. Has anyone ever used a router to take a corner off the keel boards to prevent the keel from sitting on top when recovering? ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gramille at tds.net Thu Sep 3 11:27:22 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 08:27:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med Pt 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1599146842338-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Really enjoyed your account of a wonderful trip. Having stayed on Kalmynos a couple of times many years ago, it brought back fond memories of Greek hospitality and the splendour of those islands! I particularly enjoyed listening to the bell concerto by the commuting goats! Hopefully you can return to Greece next year but if you can't get back please consider a trip up to Lake Champlain next Spring. Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu Sep 3 11:28:21 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 15:28:21 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching In-Reply-To: <1599144175260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599144175260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Brian, If the existing bunk boards fit the hull, but are simply worn out or rotten; then, that implies the bunk supports are properly adjusted. Assuming the boat is not on the trailer, start attaching the new bunk boards from the middle and work towards each end. If you doing the job singlehanded; then, you may need a ratchet strap to bend the bunk board to meet the middle support. If you have a helper; then, have them sit on the board to bend it into place while you attach it. Once the new bunk boards are in place, staple the new carpeting onto the bunk boards, again starting from the middle and working toward each end. Be sure to use stainless steel or monel staples to attach the carpeting or you will get rust stains. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 10:42 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching I'm replacing my two hull support bunks on my trailer. Do they need to be pre-curved before putting the boat on or will dunking the trailer and putting a wet boat on them force them to take shape? I saw a post where the owner used ratchet straps to create the curve and other posts where it said it wasn't necessary. Has anyone ever used a router to take a corner off the keel boards to prevent the keel from sitting on top when recovering? ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Sep 3 11:54:07 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 11:54:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching In-Reply-To: References: <1599144175260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9E6BE77C-2F98-4E9B-914E-31684DBF099E@sunnybeeches.com> As I recall, Roger does not have an ?official? Rhodes 22 Triad trailer. My 2016 Triad only has two supports per side for the bunks. The places where the bunks attach to the trailer are slotted. My approach to replacing the bunks would be to place the bolds so they are near the far end of the slots, leave the nuts loose, put the boat on the trailer, then tighten the nuts. I?ve never had an instance where the keel sat on top of the keel boards. I doubt taking a corner off the boards would do much good. The keel boards are meant to guide the boat onto the trailer. If the keel is above the keel boards during recovery, they can?t do their job. I suspect you may be putting the trailer deeper in the water than is optimal. The guys at GBI told me that the trailer should be backed down the ramp until the forward end of the bunks are at water level. (Or, maybe you?re dealing with a VERY steep ramp.) Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 3, 2020, at 11:28 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Brian, > > If the existing bunk boards fit the hull, but are simply worn out or rotten; then, that implies the bunk supports are properly adjusted. Assuming the boat is not on the trailer, start attaching the new bunk boards from the middle and work towards each end. If you doing the job singlehanded; then, you may need a ratchet strap to bend the bunk board to meet the middle support. If you have a helper; then, have them sit on the board to bend it into place while you attach it. Once the new bunk boards are in place, staple the new carpeting onto the bunk boards, again starting from the middle and working toward each end. Be sure to use stainless steel or monel staples to attach the carpeting or you will get rust stains. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 10:42 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching > > I'm replacing my two hull support bunks on my trailer. Do they need to be > pre-curved before putting the boat on or will dunking the trailer and > putting a wet boat on them force them to take shape? > > I saw a post where the owner used ratchet straps to create the curve and > other posts where it said it wasn't necessary. > > Has anyone ever used a router to take a corner off the keel boards to > prevent the keel from sitting on top when recovering? > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From bferguson at jcu.edu Thu Sep 3 12:21:24 2020 From: bferguson at jcu.edu (NewIn76) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 09:21:24 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching In-Reply-To: <9E6BE77C-2F98-4E9B-914E-31684DBF099E@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1599144175260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9E6BE77C-2F98-4E9B-914E-31684DBF099E@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1599150084065-0.post@n5.nabble.com> To Roger, my "new to me" trailer is an older Triad, so it only has two supports. The boat is actually on another trailer at the moment. It has sat boat-less in the elements and the wood needs replacing. My current trailer is an eye sore that truly meets the definition of homemade. I did however bolt on the stabilizers like you have and will move them to the new trailer. They've helped. Peter, sounds good to me. Thanks. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Sep 3 13:27:35 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 13:27:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med Pt 9 In-Reply-To: <1599146842338-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599146842338-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Boy Graham, You get into the out of the way places too. If Greece doesn?t pan out Lake Champlain sounds nice. We sailed there for 5 days a few years ago. Very enjoyable. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Thu, 3 Sep 2020 at 11:27, gramille wrote: > Really enjoyed your account of a wonderful trip. > Having stayed on Kalmynos a couple of times many years ago, it brought back > fond memories of Greek hospitality and the splendour of those islands! > I particularly enjoyed listening to the bell concerto by the commuting > goats! > Hopefully you can return to Greece next year but if you can't get back > please consider a trip up to Lake Champlain next Spring. > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From rlowe at vt.edu Thu Sep 3 14:50:09 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 18:50:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching In-Reply-To: <1599144175260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599144175260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Brain, They don't need to be exactly formed as the boat weight will force them to take proper shape. But they do need to be bent so that there is enough slack in the boards so they can take the correct shape. There is a little play where the boards attach to the frame. I measured the distance from the holes on my old bunks and made sure the distance between the holes on my new bunks were the same. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 10:42 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching I'm replacing my two hull support bunks on my trailer. Do they need to be pre-curved before putting the boat on or will dunking the trailer and putting a wet boat on them force them to take shape? I saw a post where the owner used ratchet straps to create the curve and other posts where it said it wasn't necessary. Has anyone ever used a router to take a corner off the keel boards to prevent the keel from sitting on top when recovering? ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Thu Sep 3 18:45:37 2020 From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 22:45:37 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching In-Reply-To: References: <1599144175260-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, Message-ID: When I replaced mine, the attachment was a slotted hole in the frame to allow the boards to flex to match the hull shape. A no-brainer Sent from my iPhone Charles Nieman > On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > ?Brain, > They don't need to be exactly formed as the boat weight will force them to take proper shape. But they do need to be bent so that there is enough slack in the boards so they can take the correct shape. There is a little play where the boards attach to the frame. I measured the distance from the holes on my old bunks and made sure the distance between the holes on my new bunks were the same. - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 10:42 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching > > I'm replacing my two hull support bunks on my trailer. Do they need to be > pre-curved before putting the boat on or will dunking the trailer and > putting a wet boat on them force them to take shape? > > I saw a post where the owner used ratchet straps to create the curve and > other posts where it said it wasn't necessary. > > Has anyone ever used a router to take a corner off the keel boards to > prevent the keel from sitting on top when recovering? > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From cknell at vt.edu Thu Sep 3 19:01:06 2020 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 16:01:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure In-Reply-To: References: <1596411570037-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596479284335-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596496929365-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1597075922203-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1599174066502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Repair of the Holes I made the repair and we successfully re-stepped the mast a few weeks ago. As requested, I'll provide a summary. I opted to fill the holes with epoxy. This decision was based primarily on the advice to consider the possibility of rotational torque (should something go awry while raising or lowering the mast) and the feedback that only one owner had experienced significant damage to the cabin top after making this sort of repair. However, I did NOT make the holes larger in diameter below the fiberglass. That is, the new epoxy plugs should not take much fiberglass with them should they pull out of the wood block. I did scrape the very small amount of soft wood off the edges of the holes; there did not seem to be any evidence of water infiltration; the wood block below the fiberglass seemed very solid. I opted to stay with the 1? screws and used JB Weld epoxy. I don't have much experience with epoxy, and was pleased to discover that I had about 5 minutes to work with the liquid epoxy before it ceased to flow well. I taped off the area immediately around each of the holes to prevent any unwanted epoxy from getting on the gelcoat. I did not fill the holes flush with the top of the gelcoat, but more like up to the approximate top of the fiberglass. While the epoxy was starting to setup (about 10 minutes after I had filled the holes), and using the tabernacle plate as a guide, I put a small piece of spaghetti in the center of each of the epoxy-filled holes reasoning that these would provide a good guide for the drill bit. I let the epoxy harden for about 3 hours then snapped the tops off the spaghetti pieces and drilled out the pasta with a small bit giving me a precisely-located pilot hole. I then ran a larger bit into the holes and gently threaded the screws into the holes to tap the epoxy before it got really hard. I then backed the screws out and let the epoxy cure for a day before attaching the plate with the screws. A few days later the mast raising went well. Since we were still on the water, we picked a calm morning with minimal boat traffic. All went really well until the mast was vertical when my mate noticed that the genoa was on the wrong side of the spreader and was routed through the triangle bordered by the mast, the upper shroud, and the spreader. When I had replaced the upper shroud, I had locked the bottom half of the genoa on the aft side of the spreader. I was told that we were not lowering the mast to correct the problem ? find another solution. I was pleased to find that a 7' ladder placed on the cabin top and tied securely to the mast allowed me to climb up and easily remove the pin from the base of the spreader, pull the spreader out of its seat, move the genoa forward of the spreader, and replace the spreader and pin. I was up on the ladder less than 5 minutes. I was surprised how comfortable it was. Another note: The rigger who built the new shrouds recommended that replacement shrouds be up-sized to 5/32 inch from the standard 1/8 inch. He is very familiar with the regular winds that we get in this area and thought that 1/8 was too small. I've attached some photos showing the progress of the repair. I also attached a screen-shot of the output from the weather station located near the boat. It shows the 73 mph gust that broke the upper shroud and damaged a lower aft shroud. As you can see, it was an unusual gust in that wind speed went suddenly from about 15 mph to 73 mph. One final round of thanks to all who provided input in helping me fix this problem and get back on the water. We've since had a few really good afternoons on Little Egg Harbor. ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Sep 3 20:31:54 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 20:31:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure In-Reply-To: <1599174066502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1596411570037-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596479284335-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596496929365-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1597075922203-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599174066502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <01c401d68252$ccd29410$6677bc30$@ca> I am always amazed at how everyone who does any particular repair puts their own twist on how it was done. But this is the first time I heard of anyone using spaghetti to guide a pilot hole into epoxy. That is a brilliant idea that needs to be recorded in the annals of innovation in deck repair. Unconventional, but brilliant. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris on LBI Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 7:01 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure Repair of the Holes I made the repair and we successfully re-stepped the mast a few weeks ago. As requested, I'll provide a summary. I opted to fill the holes with epoxy. This decision was based primarily on the advice to consider the possibility of rotational torque (should something go awry while raising or lowering the mast) and the feedback that only one owner had experienced significant damage to the cabin top after making this sort of repair. However, I did NOT make the holes larger in diameter below the fiberglass. That is, the new epoxy plugs should not take much fiberglass with them should they pull out of the wood block. I did scrape the very small amount of soft wood off the edges of the holes; there did not seem to be any evidence of water infiltration; the wood block below the fiberglass seemed very solid. I opted to stay with the 1? screws and used JB Weld epoxy. I don't have much experience with epoxy, and was pleased to discover that I had about 5 minutes to work with the liquid epoxy before it ceased to flow well. I taped off the area immediately around each of the holes to prevent any unwanted epoxy from getting on the gelcoat. I did not fill the holes flush with the top of the gelcoat, but more like up to the approximate top of the fiberglass. While the epoxy was starting to setup (about 10 minutes after I had filled the holes), and using the tabernacle plate as a guide, I put a small piece of spaghetti in the center of each of the epoxy-filled holes reasoning that these would provide a good guide for the drill bit. I let the epoxy harden for about 3 hours then snapped the tops off the spaghetti pieces and drilled out the pasta with a small bit giving me a precisely-located pilot hole. I then ran a larger bit into the holes and gently threaded the screws into the holes to tap the epoxy before it got really hard. I then backed the screws out and let the epoxy cure for a day before attaching the plate with the screws. A few days later the mast raising went well. Since we were still on the water, we picked a calm morning with minimal boat traffic. All went really well until the mast was vertical when my mate noticed that the genoa was on the wrong side of the spreader and was routed through the triangle bordered by the mast, the upper shroud, and the spreader. When I had replaced the upper shroud, I had locked the bottom half of the genoa on the aft side of the spreader. I was told that we were not lowering the mast to correct the problem ? find another solution. I was pleased to find that a 7' ladder placed on the cabin top and tied securely to the mast allowed me to climb up and easily remove the pin from the base of the spreader, pull the spreader out of its seat, move the genoa forward of the spreader, and replace the spreader and pin. I was up on the ladder less than 5 minutes. I was surprised how comfortable it was. Another note: The rigger who built the new shrouds recommended that replacement shrouds be up-sized to 5/32 inch from the standard 1/8 inch. He is very familiar with the regular winds that we get in this area and thought that 1/8 was too small. I've attached some photos showing the progress of the repair. I also attached a screen-shot of the output from the weather station located near the boat. It shows the 73 mph gust that broke the upper shroud and damaged a lower aft shroud. As you can see, it was an unusual gust in that wind speed went suddenly from about 15 mph to 73 mph. One final round of thanks to all who provided input in helping me fix this problem and get back on the water. We've since had a few really good afternoons on Little Egg Harbor. ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Sep 3 23:59:37 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2020 23:59:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure In-Reply-To: <01c401d68252$ccd29410$6677bc30$@ca> Message-ID: Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "al dente".Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY -------- Original message --------From: Graham Stewart Date: 9/3/20 8:32 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure I am always amazed at how everyone who does any particular repair puts their own twist on how it was done. But this is the first time I heard of anyone using spaghetti to guide a pilot hole into epoxy. That is a brilliant idea that needs to be recorded in the annals of innovation in deck repair. Unconventional, but brilliant.Graham StewartAgile, Rodes 22, 1976Kingston Ontario-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris on LBISent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 7:01 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial FailureRepair of the HolesI made the repair and we successfully re-stepped the mast a few weeks ago.As requested, I'll provide a summary. I opted to fill the holes with epoxy. This decision was based primarily onthe advice to consider the possibility of rotational torque (shouldsomething go awry while raising or lowering the mast) and the feedback thatonly one owner had experienced significant damage to the cabin top aftermaking this sort of repair. However, I did NOT make the holes larger indiameter below the fiberglass. That is, the new epoxy plugs should not takemuch fiberglass with them should they pull out of the wood block. I didscrape the very small amount of soft wood off the edges of the holes; theredid not seem to be any evidence of water infiltration; the wood block belowthe fiberglass seemed very solid. I opted to stay with the 1? screws and used JB Weld epoxy. I don't have muchexperience with epoxy, and was pleased to discover that I had about 5minutes to work with the liquid epoxy before it ceased to flow well. I tapedoff the area immediately around each of the holes to prevent any unwantedepoxy from getting on the gelcoat. I did not fill the holes flush with thetop of the gelcoat, but more like up to the approximate top of thefiberglass.While the epoxy was starting to setup (about 10 minutes after I had filledthe holes), and using the tabernacle plate as a guide, I put a small pieceof spaghetti in the center of each of the epoxy-filled holes reasoning thatthese would provide a good guide for the drill bit. I let the epoxy hardenfor about 3 hours then snapped the tops off the spaghetti pieces and drilledout the pasta with a small bit giving me a precisely-located pilot hole. Ithen ran a larger bit into the holes and gently threaded the screws into theholes to tap the epoxy before it got really hard. I then backed the screwsout and let the epoxy cure for a day before attaching the plate with thescrews.A few days later the mast raising went well. Since we were still on thewater, we picked a calm morning with minimal boat traffic. All went reallywell until the mast was vertical when my mate noticed that the genoa was onthe wrong side of the spreader and was routed through the triangle borderedby the mast, the upper shroud, and the spreader. When I had replaced theupper shroud, I had locked the bottom half of the genoa on the aft side ofthe spreader. I was told that we were not lowering the mast to correct theproblem ? find another solution. I was pleased to find that a 7' ladderplaced on the cabin top and tied securely to the mast allowed me to climb upand easily remove the pin from the base of the spreader, pull the spreaderout of its seat, move the genoa forward of the spreader, and replace thespreader and pin. I was up on the ladder less than 5 minutes. I wassurprised how comfortable it was.Another note: The rigger who built the new shrouds recommended thatreplacement shrouds be up-sized to 5/32 inch from the standard 1/8 inch. Heis very familiar with the regular winds that we get in this area and thoughtthat 1/8 was too small. I've attached some photos showing the progress of the repair. I alsoattached a screen-shot of the output from the weather station located nearthe boat. It shows the 73 mph gust that broke the upper? shroud and damageda lower aft shroud. As you can see, it was an unusual gust in that windspeed went suddenly from about 15 mph to 73 mph.One final round of thanks to all who provided input in helping me fix thisproblem and get back on the water. We've since had a few really goodafternoons on Little Egg Harbor. -----Long Beach Island--Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 08:20:42 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 07:20:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure In-Reply-To: <1599174066502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1596411570037-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596479284335-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596496929365-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1597075922203-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599174066502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Great job Chris! Thanks so much for sharing the details of your repair work. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 6:01 PM Chris on LBI wrote: > Repair of the Holes > I made the repair and we successfully re-stepped the mast a few weeks ago. > As requested, I'll provide a summary. > > I opted to fill the holes with epoxy. This decision was based primarily on > the advice to consider the possibility of rotational torque (should > something go awry while raising or lowering the mast) and the feedback that > only one owner had experienced significant damage to the cabin top after > making this sort of repair. However, I did NOT make the holes larger in > diameter below the fiberglass. That is, the new epoxy plugs should not take > much fiberglass with them should they pull out of the wood block. I did > scrape the very small amount of soft wood off the edges of the holes; there > did not seem to be any evidence of water infiltration; the wood block below > the fiberglass seemed very solid. > > I opted to stay with the 1? screws and used JB Weld epoxy. I don't have > much > experience with epoxy, and was pleased to discover that I had about 5 > minutes to work with the liquid epoxy before it ceased to flow well. I > taped > off the area immediately around each of the holes to prevent any unwanted > epoxy from getting on the gelcoat. I did not fill the holes flush with the > top of the gelcoat, but more like up to the approximate top of the > fiberglass. > > While the epoxy was starting to setup (about 10 minutes after I had filled > the holes), and using the tabernacle plate as a guide, I put a small piece > of spaghetti in the center of each of the epoxy-filled holes reasoning that > these would provide a good guide for the drill bit. I let the epoxy harden > for about 3 hours then snapped the tops off the spaghetti pieces and > drilled > out the pasta with a small bit giving me a precisely-located pilot hole. I > then ran a larger bit into the holes and gently threaded the screws into > the > holes to tap the epoxy before it got really hard. I then backed the screws > out and let the epoxy cure for a day before attaching the plate with the > screws. > > A few days later the mast raising went well. Since we were still on the > water, we picked a calm morning with minimal boat traffic. All went really > well until the mast was vertical when my mate noticed that the genoa was on > the wrong side of the spreader and was routed through the triangle bordered > by the mast, the upper shroud, and the spreader. When I had replaced the > upper shroud, I had locked the bottom half of the genoa on the aft side of > the spreader. I was told that we were not lowering the mast to correct the > problem ? find another solution. I was pleased to find that a 7' ladder > placed on the cabin top and tied securely to the mast allowed me to climb > up > and easily remove the pin from the base of the spreader, pull the spreader > out of its seat, move the genoa forward of the spreader, and replace the > spreader and pin. I was up on the ladder less than 5 minutes. I was > surprised how comfortable it was. > > Another note: The rigger who built the new shrouds recommended that > replacement shrouds be up-sized to 5/32 inch from the standard 1/8 inch. He > is very familiar with the regular winds that we get in this area and > thought > that 1/8 was too small. > > I've attached some photos showing the progress of the repair. I also > attached a screen-shot of the output from the weather station located near > the boat. It shows the 73 mph gust that broke the upper shroud and damaged > a lower aft shroud. As you can see, it was an unusual gust in that wind > speed went suddenly from about 15 mph to 73 mph. > > One final round of thanks to all who provided input in helping me fix this > problem and get back on the water. We've since had a few really good > afternoons on Little Egg Harbor. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Fri Sep 4 08:51:26 2020 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 08:51:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure In-Reply-To: <1599174066502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1596411570037-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596479284335-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596496929365-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1597075922203-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599174066502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <7170C167-77DF-433A-AF3A-7BBF56DB07D5@gmail.com> Chris, You forgot to tell us the spaghetti?s diameter. Just kidding. That was really creative. Luis A. Guzm?n S/V Aquetxali > On Sep 3, 2020, at 7:01 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > Repair of the Holes > I made the repair and we successfully re-stepped the mast a few weeks ago. > As requested, I'll provide a summary. > > I opted to fill the holes with epoxy. This decision was based primarily on > the advice to consider the possibility of rotational torque (should > something go awry while raising or lowering the mast) and the feedback that > only one owner had experienced significant damage to the cabin top after > making this sort of repair. However, I did NOT make the holes larger in > diameter below the fiberglass. That is, the new epoxy plugs should not take > much fiberglass with them should they pull out of the wood block. I did > scrape the very small amount of soft wood off the edges of the holes; there > did not seem to be any evidence of water infiltration; the wood block below > the fiberglass seemed very solid. > > I opted to stay with the 1? screws and used JB Weld epoxy. I don't have much > experience with epoxy, and was pleased to discover that I had about 5 > minutes to work with the liquid epoxy before it ceased to flow well. I taped > off the area immediately around each of the holes to prevent any unwanted > epoxy from getting on the gelcoat. I did not fill the holes flush with the > top of the gelcoat, but more like up to the approximate top of the > fiberglass. > > While the epoxy was starting to setup (about 10 minutes after I had filled > the holes), and using the tabernacle plate as a guide, I put a small piece > of spaghetti in the center of each of the epoxy-filled holes reasoning that > these would provide a good guide for the drill bit. I let the epoxy harden > for about 3 hours then snapped the tops off the spaghetti pieces and drilled > out the pasta with a small bit giving me a precisely-located pilot hole. I > then ran a larger bit into the holes and gently threaded the screws into the > holes to tap the epoxy before it got really hard. I then backed the screws > out and let the epoxy cure for a day before attaching the plate with the > screws. > > A few days later the mast raising went well. Since we were still on the > water, we picked a calm morning with minimal boat traffic. All went really > well until the mast was vertical when my mate noticed that the genoa was on > the wrong side of the spreader and was routed through the triangle bordered > by the mast, the upper shroud, and the spreader. When I had replaced the > upper shroud, I had locked the bottom half of the genoa on the aft side of > the spreader. I was told that we were not lowering the mast to correct the > problem ? find another solution. I was pleased to find that a 7' ladder > placed on the cabin top and tied securely to the mast allowed me to climb up > and easily remove the pin from the base of the spreader, pull the spreader > out of its seat, move the genoa forward of the spreader, and replace the > spreader and pin. I was up on the ladder less than 5 minutes. I was > surprised how comfortable it was. > > Another note: The rigger who built the new shrouds recommended that > replacement shrouds be up-sized to 5/32 inch from the standard 1/8 inch. He > is very familiar with the regular winds that we get in this area and thought > that 1/8 was too small. > > I've attached some photos showing the progress of the repair. I also > attached a screen-shot of the output from the weather station located near > the boat. It shows the 73 mph gust that broke the upper shroud and damaged > a lower aft shroud. As you can see, it was an unusual gust in that wind > speed went suddenly from about 15 mph to 73 mph. > > One final round of thanks to all who provided input in helping me fix this > problem and get back on the water. We've since had a few really good > afternoons on Little Egg Harbor. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Fri Sep 4 09:19:56 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 13:19:56 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure In-Reply-To: <7170C167-77DF-433A-AF3A-7BBF56DB07D5@gmail.com> References: <1596411570037-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596479284335-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596496929365-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1597075922203-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599174066502-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <7170C167-77DF-433A-AF3A-7BBF56DB07D5@gmail.com> Message-ID: Could anyone get to the photos? I'm not able to access. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Luis Guzman Sent: Friday, September 4, 2020 8:51 AM To: The Rhodes 22 mail list Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure Chris, You forgot to tell us the spaghetti?s diameter. Just kidding. That was really creative. Luis A. Guzm?n S/V Aquetxali > On Sep 3, 2020, at 7:01 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > Repair of the Holes > I made the repair and we successfully re-stepped the mast a few weeks ago. > As requested, I'll provide a summary. > > I opted to fill the holes with epoxy. This decision was based primarily on > the advice to consider the possibility of rotational torque (should > something go awry while raising or lowering the mast) and the feedback that > only one owner had experienced significant damage to the cabin top after > making this sort of repair. However, I did NOT make the holes larger in > diameter below the fiberglass. That is, the new epoxy plugs should not take > much fiberglass with them should they pull out of the wood block. I did > scrape the very small amount of soft wood off the edges of the holes; there > did not seem to be any evidence of water infiltration; the wood block below > the fiberglass seemed very solid. > > I opted to stay with the 1? screws and used JB Weld epoxy. I don't have much > experience with epoxy, and was pleased to discover that I had about 5 > minutes to work with the liquid epoxy before it ceased to flow well. I taped > off the area immediately around each of the holes to prevent any unwanted > epoxy from getting on the gelcoat. I did not fill the holes flush with the > top of the gelcoat, but more like up to the approximate top of the > fiberglass. > > While the epoxy was starting to setup (about 10 minutes after I had filled > the holes), and using the tabernacle plate as a guide, I put a small piece > of spaghetti in the center of each of the epoxy-filled holes reasoning that > these would provide a good guide for the drill bit. I let the epoxy harden > for about 3 hours then snapped the tops off the spaghetti pieces and drilled > out the pasta with a small bit giving me a precisely-located pilot hole. I > then ran a larger bit into the holes and gently threaded the screws into the > holes to tap the epoxy before it got really hard. I then backed the screws > out and let the epoxy cure for a day before attaching the plate with the > screws. > > A few days later the mast raising went well. Since we were still on the > water, we picked a calm morning with minimal boat traffic. All went really > well until the mast was vertical when my mate noticed that the genoa was on > the wrong side of the spreader and was routed through the triangle bordered > by the mast, the upper shroud, and the spreader. When I had replaced the > upper shroud, I had locked the bottom half of the genoa on the aft side of > the spreader. I was told that we were not lowering the mast to correct the > problem ? find another solution. I was pleased to find that a 7' ladder > placed on the cabin top and tied securely to the mast allowed me to climb up > and easily remove the pin from the base of the spreader, pull the spreader > out of its seat, move the genoa forward of the spreader, and replace the > spreader and pin. I was up on the ladder less than 5 minutes. I was > surprised how comfortable it was. > > Another note: The rigger who built the new shrouds recommended that > replacement shrouds be up-sized to 5/32 inch from the standard 1/8 inch. He > is very familiar with the regular winds that we get in this area and thought > that 1/8 was too small. > > I've attached some photos showing the progress of the repair. I also > attached a screen-shot of the output from the weather station located near > the boat. It shows the 73 mph gust that broke the upper shroud and damaged > a lower aft shroud. As you can see, it was an unusual gust in that wind > speed went suddenly from about 15 mph to 73 mph. > > One final round of thanks to all who provided input in helping me fix this > problem and get back on the water. We've since had a few really good > afternoons on Little Egg Harbor. > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > Long Beach Island > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From cknell at vt.edu Fri Sep 4 14:08:12 2020 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 11:08:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure In-Reply-To: <01c401d68252$ccd29410$6677bc30$@ca> References: <1596411570037-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596479284335-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596496929365-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1597075922203-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599174066502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <01c401d68252$ccd29410$6677bc30$@ca> Message-ID: <1599242892902-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Truth be told, I went to the kitchen looking for toothpicks but could not find any. The spaghetti was simply another case of the tight coupling of necessity and invention. The spaghetti broke off so easily and broke just below the surface of the epoxy creating a small depression for the bit to sit in. It really is better for the job than toothpicks would have been. ----- Long Beach Island -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Sep 4 16:30:25 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 16:30:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Maine Sailing Anyone? In-Reply-To: References: <1596909318869-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1597056346226-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <70104B9D-0819-4814-A1B0-A6437B23D778@sunnybeeches.com> <1597452586742-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <270BDE41-46D8-4D48-AE2C-17DC546BF563@sunnybeeches.com> <841D5CC8-DF53-4A37-9C38-CBE06A48F5BA@sunnybeeches.com> <1597574413781-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <79FE58B9-6467-45F6-B9EA-D936375FBB2E@sunnybeeches.com> <1598318291215-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <382126CD-6054-4580-9717-AAE131EB08F2@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <037030B3-92A8-40D0-A87B-FCFFDBD5A4D0@sunnybeeches.com> For those interested, the videos for the entire week of my Maine cruise have been posted to YouTube. This a link to the relevant playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD6vr6Mq0Bwd7v23iW3AdlHUJbWgcwFkh Since this cruise was so much fun, there are tentative plans for another week long cruise in September. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Sep 4 21:32:13 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 21:32:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Reconnecting the Tabernacle Screws Following Sacrificial Failure In-Reply-To: References: <1596411570037-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596479284335-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596496929365-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1597075922203-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599174066502-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <7170C167-77DF-433A-AF3A-7BBF56DB07D5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <621DF502-982D-4F94-800E-54B44E1087F6@sunnybeeches.com> Rob, This morning, I got an error when attempting to access the photos. As of this moment, I can get to them. Another chapter in ?The Problem With Nabble?. Just to restate what has been said before, it would be better if list members did not use the Nabble interface to post messages that contain pictures. ?Peter > On Sep 4, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > Could anyone get to the photos? I'm not able to access. - rob > > From cp.boyce at comcast.net Fri Sep 4 22:33:04 2020 From: cp.boyce at comcast.net (CPBoyce) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 19:33:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive In-Reply-To: <2132503877.5941900.1598474888368@mail.yahoo.com> References: <25D50094-CC7F-45F0-900A-80859113A313@stottarchitecture.com> <2132503877.5941900.1598474888368@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1599273184261-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Here is the promised photo of Torqeedo "electric saildrive." Mounted in lazarette of our R22 S/V Take Five. The pod slides up and down in the chute. As I posted earlier, it is an 8hp equivalent, good for at least 25 miles on a charge at 3 knots. We use it to navigate a nearly 2 mile channel from our marina to reach elbow room sailing area. ----- The Boyces s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From cp.boyce at comcast.net Fri Sep 4 22:34:48 2020 From: cp.boyce at comcast.net (CPBoyce) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 19:34:48 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Saildrive In-Reply-To: <1599273184261-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <25D50094-CC7F-45F0-900A-80859113A313@stottarchitecture.com> <2132503877.5941900.1598474888368@mail.yahoo.com> <1599273184261-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1599273288863-0.post@n5.nabble.com> And here is the pod lowered. ----- The Boyces s/v Take Five (aka the Electric Rhodes) -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 09:14:19 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 06:14:19 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System Message-ID: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I?ve had my boat a little over a year now and as as I?ve mentioned before, I?ve only been out on her 4 times, all last year. I?m in the process of moving her from the Cape Fear River near Wilmington NC to a mooring at Lake Waccamaw NC. As part of the move she?s been in my driveway for the last couple of months while I completed numerous projects on her. One of my projects was converting the electric winch motor lift to a manual system. >From the day I bought her, I?ve had concerns about the electric winch which operates the motor lift. Rated at 2500 lbs pull, I?ve never liked the creaking and popping noises I hear the transom make when the motor gets toward the top of its travel and starts to tilt my 106 lbs Mercury 9.9. I was also concerned about not being able to get the motor down if the winch failed while the motor was up. So I just completed disconnected the winch and going to a manual lift system. I got the idea from an old post by a former Rhodie named Jay Curry who did this conversion to his R22. My conversion differs from his in that the motor still tilts when it gets toward the top of its travel. With four double blocks and a 9/1 ratio, I thought I would be looking at maybe a 15-20 pound pull on the line to raise the motor. I?m guessing it?s closer to 30-35 pounds pull and then increasing as the motor hits the upper stops and starts to tilt. I guess the pull is higher than I expected due to the friction of the line through all the blocks plus the friction of the motor mount sliding in the tracks. My conversion did involve adding some HDPE components so I could move the top SS tube previously used by the winch strap , adding a jam cleat and changing the position of the upper stops in the metal channels of the lift. I?ll attach a few photos. George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mike at traildesign.com Sat Sep 5 10:12:36 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 10:12:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching In-Reply-To: References: <1599144175260-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I second what Charles said. I replaced the bunks on my Traid last year and can confirm after bolting the straight boards on the trailer and setting the boat back on it, there is enough room in the slotted holes to let the bunks follow the curve of the hull. When the boat is launched the boards go back to being mostly straight again. Mike Riter SV Emma B On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 6:45 PM Charles Nieman wrote: > When I replaced mine, the attachment was a slotted hole in the frame to > allow the boards to flex to match the hull shape. A no-brainer > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > Charles Nieman > > > > > > > On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > > > ?Brain, > > > They don't need to be exactly formed as the boat weight will force them > to take proper shape. But they do need to be bent so that there is enough > slack in the boards so they can take the correct shape. There is a little > play where the boards attach to the frame. I measured the distance from > the holes on my old bunks and made sure the distance between the holes on > my new bunks were the same. - rob > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list > > > Sent: Thursday, September 3, 2020 10:42 AM > > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Bunk pre-stretching > > > > > > I'm replacing my two hull support bunks on my trailer. Do they need to > be > > > pre-curved before putting the boat on or will dunking the trailer and > > > putting a wet boat on them force them to take shape? > > > > > > I saw a post where the owner used ratchet straps to create the curve and > > > other posts where it said it wasn't necessary. > > > > > > Has anyone ever used a router to take a corner off the keel boards to > > > prevent the keel from sitting on top when recovering? > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > Brian > > > 1976 Rhodes 22 > > > Cleveland > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > -- Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 From allynb at adsne.com Sat Sep 5 15:27:59 2020 From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:27:59 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker pole ring In-Reply-To: <1598785904838-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: , <1598785904838-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thank you. It?s on order. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 30, 2020, at 6:11 AM, JeffSmith wrote: > > ?That is the one I use. It is easily bendable in a vise. > > > > ----- > Jeff Smith > 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor > Atlantic Highlands, NJ > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Sep 5 16:27:42 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 16:27:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: George, I did a similar conversion for similar reasons with similar results, in that I?m a bit disappointed in the amount of pull required to lift the outboard. It?s something I still tinker with from time to time, looking to improve the design. Is that a piece of PVC pipe slipped over the stainless pipe to reduce friction? That?s an idea I may steal from you. If you don?t mind, I?ll add your post to the ?Reference? (formerly FAQ) section of what I hope will eventually be the new website. In the process, I?ll also move the pictures off Nabble, so they won?t get lost. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 5, 2020, at 9:14 AM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > I?ve had my boat a little over a year now and as as I?ve mentioned before, > I?ve only been out on her 4 times, all last year. I?m in the process of > moving her from the Cape Fear River near Wilmington NC to a mooring at Lake > Waccamaw NC. As part of the move she?s been in my driveway for the last > couple of months while I completed numerous projects on her. One of my > projects was converting the electric winch motor lift to a manual system. > From the day I bought her, I?ve had concerns about the electric winch which > operates the motor lift. Rated at 2500 lbs pull, I?ve never liked the > creaking and popping noises I hear the transom make when the motor gets > toward the top of its travel and starts to tilt my 106 lbs Mercury 9.9. I > was also concerned about not being able to get the motor down if the winch > failed while the motor was up. So I just completed disconnected the winch > and going to a manual lift system. I got the idea from an old post by a > former Rhodie named Jay Curry who did this conversion to his R22. My > conversion differs from his in that the motor still tilts when it gets > toward the top of its travel. With four double blocks and a 9/1 ratio, I > thought I would be looking at maybe a 15-20 pound pull on the line to raise > the motor. I?m guessing it?s closer to 30-35 pounds pull and then increasing > as the motor hits the upper stops and starts to tilt. I guess the pull is > higher than I expected due to the friction of the line through all the > blocks plus the friction of the motor mount sliding in the tracks. > My conversion did involve adding some HDPE components so I could move the > top SS tube previously used by the winch strap , adding a jam cleat and > changing the position of the upper stops in the metal channels of the lift. > I?ll attach a few photos. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986 > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 16:50:47 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 13:50:47 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, A piece of 1? schedule 40 PVC fits perfectly over the 1? SS tube. I?m not sure how much good it does, because sometimes it doesn?t turn when loaded. If it?s not turning, maybe the stainless has less friction? George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 17:22:28 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 14:22:28 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, I believe you and I have the same 9.9 Mercury motor weighing 106 lbs. I just took some bathroom scales out to my boat and weighed myself and then tried to get a reading while pulling the engine up. If it was anywhere near being accurate, it seemed to average around 40-45 lbs until the engine starts to tilt, and then it?s quite a bit more.(couldn?t measure it with the bathroom scale method) Is your system also a 9/1 ratio...4 double blocks? I wonder why the pull is so much more than we expected? George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From retro53 at msn.com Sat Sep 5 17:29:42 2020 From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 21:29:42 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars In-Reply-To: <1599099241708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <002301d675a6$fc5247c0$f4f6d740$@ebsmed.com> <1598480990396-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,<1599099241708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Folks, I just finished installing a pair of retaining bars under each cockpit seat. Everything was made from two pieces of 1" x 2" PVC board. The bases are screwed into the floor and the bar is removable. After sailing with this for a day, the only things that I may have to add are some sort of removable pins at each end to keep the board seated in the holders, as sometimes a foot could pop it up. I attached a few pictures. If they don't go through and anybody is interested, let me know. Sometimes for some reason I don't get everybody's attachments. Hope that this helps. John K 1980 R-22 "Deci-Belle" ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of S/V Lark Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:14 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars I considered cargo nets before Chris posted his cruising gear link. I had been afraid the weight of my gear against the line when the boat is on its ears would put too much stress on the fiberglass cockpit casting, deadeyes and any backing plate. I figure it?s better a $20 aluminum bar bends then fiberglass cracks. I pulled for an Erie cruise today and will copy their design while fitting out. Thanks to George and Chris. Alex Cole Lark on the hard (but I did get 2 hrs in 15 knots first). ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: thumbnail_20200904_144817.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 108551 bytes Desc: thumbnail_20200904_144817.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I?ve tried some alternative line routes that made the situation worse, but none that have improved it noticeably. ?Peter > On Sep 5, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Peter, > > I believe you and I have the same 9.9 Mercury motor weighing 106 lbs. > > I just took some bathroom scales out to my boat and weighed myself and then > tried to get a reading while pulling the engine up. If it was anywhere near > being accurate, it seemed to average around 40-45 lbs until the engine > starts to tilt, and then it?s quite a bit more.(couldn?t measure it with the > bathroom scale method) > > Is your system also a 9/1 ratio...4 double blocks? > > I wonder why the pull is so much more than we expected? > > George > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 5 17:44:34 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 16:44:34 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I'm wondering if there is space for another set of blocks to get another purchase or two? That's seems most obvious way to reduce the effort? On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 4:37 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > George, > > Actually, I have the Mercury 8 HP, only 90-something lbs. > > Yes, I also have 4 double blocks. Obviously there?s some friction in the > blocks themselves, plus the line turning on the stainless tube. Also some > friction in the aluminum slides. > > I?ve tried some alternative line routes that made the situation worse, but > none that have improved it noticeably. > > ?Peter > > > > On Sep 5, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Gmorganflier > wrote: > > > > Peter, > > > > I believe you and I have the same 9.9 Mercury motor weighing 106 lbs. > > > > I just took some bathroom scales out to my boat and weighed myself and > then > > tried to get a reading while pulling the engine up. If it was anywhere > near > > being accurate, it seemed to average around 40-45 lbs until the engine > > starts to tilt, and then it?s quite a bit more.(couldn?t measure it with > the > > bathroom scale method) > > > > Is your system also a 9/1 ratio...4 double blocks? > > > > I wonder why the pull is so much more than we expected? > > > > George > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 20:15:49 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 20:15:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars In-Reply-To: References: <002301d675a6$fc5247c0$f4f6d740$@ebsmed.com> <1598480990396-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599099241708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hey that is clever! The idea of using a detent pin is a good idea, properly sourced they aren't too expensive and really complete the project. Chris G Enosis On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:29 PM John Keyser wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I just finished installing a pair of retaining bars under each cockpit > seat. Everything was made from two pieces of 1" x 2" PVC board. The bases > are screwed into the floor and the bar is removable. After sailing with > this for a day, the only things that I may have to add are some sort of > removable pins at each end to keep the board seated in the holders, as > sometimes a foot could pop it up. > > I attached a few pictures. If they don't go through and anybody is > interested, let me know. Sometimes for some reason I don't get everybody's > attachments. > > Hope that this helps. > > John K > 1980 R-22 > "Deci-Belle" > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of S/V > Lark > Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:14 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars > > I considered cargo nets before Chris posted his cruising gear link. I had > been afraid the weight of my gear against the line when the boat is on its > ears would put too much stress on the fiberglass cockpit casting, deadeyes > and any backing plate. I figure it?s better a $20 aluminum bar bends then > fiberglass cracks. I pulled for an Erie cruise today and will copy their > design while fitting out. Thanks to George and Chris. > > Alex Cole > Lark on the hard (but I did get 2 hrs in 15 knots first). > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20200904_144817.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 108551 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20200904_144817.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200905/d3bd7b71/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20200904_144903.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 119008 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20200904_144903.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200905/d3bd7b71/attachment-0001.jpg > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 20:22:24 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 20:22:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a manual lift with a 6:1 pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a while back and it lifted the motor pretty easily. Anyone? Chris G. Enosis On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:44 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > I'm wondering if there is space for another set of blocks to get another > purchase or two? That's seems most obvious way to reduce the effort? > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 4:37 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > > > George, > > > > Actually, I have the Mercury 8 HP, only 90-something lbs. > > > > Yes, I also have 4 double blocks. Obviously there?s some friction in the > > blocks themselves, plus the line turning on the stainless tube. Also > some > > friction in the aluminum slides. > > > > I?ve tried some alternative line routes that made the situation worse, > but > > none that have improved it noticeably. > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Gmorganflier > > wrote: > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > I believe you and I have the same 9.9 Mercury motor weighing 106 lbs. > > > > > > I just took some bathroom scales out to my boat and weighed myself and > > then > > > tried to get a reading while pulling the engine up. If it was anywhere > > near > > > being accurate, it seemed to average around 40-45 lbs until the engine > > > starts to tilt, and then it?s quite a bit more.(couldn?t measure it > with > > the > > > bathroom scale method) > > > > > > Is your system also a 9/1 ratio...4 double blocks? > > > > > > I wonder why the pull is so much more than we expected? > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 5 20:40:03 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:40:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I don't disagree with the sentiment. If a 6:1 did fine why is a 9:1 having issues? Is it a law of finishing returns adding blocks, while also adding length load and a second or fourth set of block friction. The outboard isn't THAT much heavier to cause a 49lb effort.... I have the Merc 8hp 4 stroke. 90lbs wet.... Seems like maybe something isn't aligned ? Fwiw, my electric lift works well (2011 boat recycled 2017) although a teeny bit jerky, I don't fear for it past hooking up a safety chain to it. But maybe working the lift in larger waves has an effect on the experience. It's usually calm at stern when I drop the shaft down in the water/prep for approach to launch/mooring. But we all enjoy!!! Tom Photo.courtesy of jerry. Po On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:22 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a manual lift with a 6:1 > pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a while back and it lifted the > motor pretty easily. Anyone? > Chris G. > Enosis > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:44 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > I'm wondering if there is space for another set of blocks to get another > > purchase or two? That's seems most obvious way to reduce the effort? > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 4:37 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > > George, > > > > > > Actually, I have the Mercury 8 HP, only 90-something lbs. > > > > > > Yes, I also have 4 double blocks. Obviously there?s some friction in > the > > > blocks themselves, plus the line turning on the stainless tube. Also > > some > > > friction in the aluminum slides. > > > > > > I?ve tried some alternative line routes that made the situation worse, > > but > > > none that have improved it noticeably. > > > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Gmorganflier > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > > > I believe you and I have the same 9.9 Mercury motor weighing 106 lbs. > > > > > > > > I just took some bathroom scales out to my boat and weighed myself > and > > > then > > > > tried to get a reading while pulling the engine up. If it was > anywhere > > > near > > > > being accurate, it seemed to average around 40-45 lbs until the > engine > > > > starts to tilt, and then it?s quite a bit more.(couldn?t measure it > > with > > > the > > > > bathroom scale method) > > > > > > > > Is your system also a 9/1 ratio...4 double blocks? > > > > > > > > I wonder why the pull is so much more than we expected? > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200828_204852_05.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 106871 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 5 20:40:55 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:40:55 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: diminishing , not finishing. On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:40 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > I don't disagree with the sentiment. > If a 6:1 did fine why is a 9:1 having issues? Is it a law of finishing > returns adding blocks, while also adding length load and a second or fourth > set of block friction. > > The outboard isn't THAT much heavier to cause a 49lb effort.... I have the > Merc 8hp 4 stroke. 90lbs wet.... > > Seems like maybe something isn't aligned ? > > Fwiw, my electric lift works well (2011 boat recycled 2017) although a > teeny bit jerky, I don't fear for it past hooking up a safety chain to it. > But maybe working the lift in larger waves has an effect on the > experience. It's usually calm at stern when I drop the shaft down in the > water/prep for approach to launch/mooring. > > But we all enjoy!!! > Tom > > > Photo.courtesy of jerry. Po > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 7:22 PM Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > >> Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a manual lift with a 6:1 >> pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a while back and it lifted >> the >> motor pretty easily. Anyone? >> Chris G. >> Enosis >> >> On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:44 PM Tom Van Heule < >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: >> >> > I'm wondering if there is space for another set of blocks to get another >> > purchase or two? That's seems most obvious way to reduce the effort? >> > >> > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 4:37 PM Peter Nyberg >> wrote: >> > >> > > George, >> > > >> > > Actually, I have the Mercury 8 HP, only 90-something lbs. >> > > >> > > Yes, I also have 4 double blocks. Obviously there?s some friction in >> the >> > > blocks themselves, plus the line turning on the stainless tube. Also >> > some >> > > friction in the aluminum slides. >> > > >> > > I?ve tried some alternative line routes that made the situation worse, >> > but >> > > none that have improved it noticeably. >> > > >> > > ?Peter >> > > >> > > >> > > > On Sep 5, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Gmorganflier >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > Peter, >> > > > >> > > > I believe you and I have the same 9.9 Mercury motor weighing 106 >> lbs. >> > > > >> > > > I just took some bathroom scales out to my boat and weighed myself >> and >> > > then >> > > > tried to get a reading while pulling the engine up. If it was >> anywhere >> > > near >> > > > being accurate, it seemed to average around 40-45 lbs until the >> engine >> > > > starts to tilt, and then it?s quite a bit more.(couldn?t measure it >> > with >> > > the >> > > > bathroom scale method) >> > > > >> > > > Is your system also a 9/1 ratio...4 double blocks? >> > > > >> > > > I wonder why the pull is so much more than we expected? >> > > > >> > > > George >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ >> > > >> > > >> > >> > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Sep 5 21:16:21 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 21:16:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Chris, Well, of course you are correct, at some point the manual outboard motor lift was the way GBI configured new and recycled boats. Then at some point things shifted to the electric lift. Maybe the change happened because 2-cycle outboards went away and were replaced by heavier 4-cycle outboards. Maybe Stan decided that he wasn?t satisfied with the performance of the manual lift. I?ve always thought that the change seemed out of character, since it?s widely reported that Stan prefers that things be kept simple on the Rhodes 22 (depth finders are unnecessary, etc). In any event, some of us who have found themselves with Rhodes 22?s with electric motor lifts have decided that manual lifts would be preferable. We?re not starting from scratch, we?re starting with the electric lift set-up, and then trying to modify it without having to change things too drastically. The result will perhaps not be as good as what the GBI manual lift once was, but then again if the GBI manual lift was so great, why did Stan abandon it? Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 5, 2020, at 8:22 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a manual lift with a 6:1 > pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a while back and it lifted the > motor pretty easily. Anyone? > Chris G. > Enosis > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 21:18:12 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 18:18:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Chris, Not trying to reinvent the wheel...just didn?t trust the electric winch system because of the straining fiberglass noises coming from my transom. These scary noises may be particular to my boat. I don?t know what other?s experience has been. I thought it would be easy enough to convert the existing hardware to a manual system....just disappointed the pull force is greater than I expected. If my 9 to 1 ratio takes some effort to raise my 106 pound motor, I think Stan?s standard 6 to 1 system would require even more pull. I wish I could try Stan?s 6 to 1 system with a 9.9 Mercury and see if he has worked his magic on this as he has on so many other Rhodes 22 features. I wish I knew what?s causing all the resistance...I just don?t think it should take 40 pounds of pull with a 9 to 1 ratio to raise a 106 pound motor plus whatever the mount weighs. George -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mike at traildesign.com Sat Sep 5 21:47:53 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 21:47:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: My '89 Rhodes came with the manual lift and goes through 6 blocks (3 top, 3 bottom) The amount of pull is about the same as everyone else has stated. My co-capitan can't raise the motor without threatening mutiny. I'm working on a different mouse trap using a threaded rod and a winch handle I hope will make the raising/lowering a much better experience. That project will take some time to work out all the details. Meanwhile, I've added another block to the stern rail directly above where the line for the lift comes out and extended the line so it will reach the port winch. Being able to winch it up works pretty well. As with all the manual hoists, gravity pulls it back down. Rick Stott and I have been working together on the screw style design. He would like to see it be electric, I think I'll be happy if we can make it work manually. My hope is the threaded rod will stabilize most of the load and the aluminum channels on either side will work as guides to keep everything aligned. It should also be stable at any height or depth. Kind of a set it and forget it thing. Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 9:18 PM Gmorganflier wrote: > Hi Chris, > > Not trying to reinvent the wheel...just didn?t trust the electric winch > system because of the straining fiberglass noises coming from my transom. > These scary noises may be particular to my boat. I don?t know what other?s > experience has been. I thought it would be easy enough to convert the > existing hardware to a manual system....just disappointed the pull force is > greater than I expected. If my 9 to 1 ratio takes some effort to raise my > 106 pound motor, I think Stan?s standard 6 to 1 system would require even > more pull. I wish I could try Stan?s 6 to 1 system with a 9.9 Mercury and > see if he has worked his magic on this as he has on so many other Rhodes 22 > features. > > I wish I knew what?s causing all the resistance...I just don?t think it > should take 40 pounds of pull with a 9 to 1 ratio to raise a 106 pound > motor > plus whatever the mount weighs. > > George > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 22:52:57 2020 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 19:52:57 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I have the 6:1 manual. No surprise that It lifts my ~30 lb. Torqeedo1003L w/no problem. It does stick when lowering on occasion, but can be jiggled into submission. Cheers Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 5:22 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a manual lift with a 6:1 > pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a while back and it lifted the > motor pretty easily. Anyone? > Chris G. > Enosis > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:44 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > I'm wondering if there is space for another set of blocks to get another > > purchase or two? That's seems most obvious way to reduce the effort? > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 4:37 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > > George, > > > > > > Actually, I have the Mercury 8 HP, only 90-something lbs. > > > > > > Yes, I also have 4 double blocks. Obviously there?s some friction in > the > > > blocks themselves, plus the line turning on the stainless tube. Also > > some > > > friction in the aluminum slides. > > > > > > I?ve tried some alternative line routes that made the situation worse, > > but > > > none that have improved it noticeably. > > > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Gmorganflier > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > > > I believe you and I have the same 9.9 Mercury motor weighing 106 lbs. > > > > > > > > I just took some bathroom scales out to my boat and weighed myself > and > > > then > > > > tried to get a reading while pulling the engine up. If it was > anywhere > > > near > > > > being accurate, it seemed to average around 40-45 lbs until the > engine > > > > starts to tilt, and then it?s quite a bit more.(couldn?t measure it > > with > > > the > > > > bathroom scale method) > > > > > > > > Is your system also a 9/1 ratio...4 double blocks? > > > > > > > > I wonder why the pull is so much more than we expected? > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat Sep 5 23:42:19 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 23:42:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Oh I am following this conversation closely. Recently purchased a Rhodes with a bit of a problem. Seems instead of the motor going up when the winch was engaged, the motor stayed still and the winch went up......pulled the bolts through the transom. The laz is well ventilated and lots of natural light. Well maybe not quite that bad, there's only a couple of 1/2 inch holes in the transom. Anyway I haven't decided to keep the electric lift or not, we'll see. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 10:53 PM Shawn Boles wrote: > I have the 6:1 manual. No surprise that It lifts my ~30 lb. Torqeedo1003L > w/no problem. It does stick when lowering on occasion, but can be jiggled > into submission. > > Cheers > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 5:22 PM Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a manual lift with a 6:1 > > pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a while back and it lifted > the > > motor pretty easily. Anyone? > > Chris G. > > Enosis > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:44 PM Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > I'm wondering if there is space for another set of blocks to get > another > > > purchase or two? That's seems most obvious way to reduce the effort? > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2020, 4:37 PM Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > > > > > > George, > > > > > > > > Actually, I have the Mercury 8 HP, only 90-something lbs. > > > > > > > > Yes, I also have 4 double blocks. Obviously there?s some friction in > > the > > > > blocks themselves, plus the line turning on the stainless tube. Also > > > some > > > > friction in the aluminum slides. > > > > > > > > I?ve tried some alternative line routes that made the situation > worse, > > > but > > > > none that have improved it noticeably. > > > > > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 5, 2020, at 5:22 PM, Gmorganflier > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > > > > > I believe you and I have the same 9.9 Mercury motor weighing 106 > lbs. > > > > > > > > > > I just took some bathroom scales out to my boat and weighed myself > > and > > > > then > > > > > tried to get a reading while pulling the engine up. If it was > > anywhere > > > > near > > > > > being accurate, it seemed to average around 40-45 lbs until the > > engine > > > > > starts to tilt, and then it?s quite a bit more.(couldn?t measure it > > > with > > > > the > > > > > bathroom scale method) > > > > > > > > > > Is your system also a 9/1 ratio...4 double blocks? > > > > > > > > > > I wonder why the pull is so much more than we expected? > > > > > > > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 05:54:13 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 02:54:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our manual lift system. Please post some photos. I thought of something which may be causing my extra resistance and maybe on yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom or top stops, just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it side to side and there?s a lot of movement. There was even more when I bought the boat before i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the slop. With our system I wonder where the center of force is on the bottom tube. Maybe it?s not centered and it?s not pulling the motor up straight in the channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it?s cocking the engine at an angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I?ll have to experiment with this. George Morgan -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From retro53 at msn.com Sun Sep 6 12:48:06 2020 From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 16:48:06 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars In-Reply-To: References: <002301d675a6$fc5247c0$f4f6d740$@ebsmed.com> <1598480990396-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599099241708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , Message-ID: Thanks, Chris! ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Chris Geankoplis Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2020 8:15 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars Hey that is clever! The idea of using a detent pin is a good idea, properly sourced they aren't too expensive and really complete the project. Chris G Enosis On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 5:29 PM John Keyser wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I just finished installing a pair of retaining bars under each cockpit > seat. Everything was made from two pieces of 1" x 2" PVC board. The bases > are screwed into the floor and the bar is removable. After sailing with > this for a day, the only things that I may have to add are some sort of > removable pins at each end to keep the board seated in the holders, as > sometimes a foot could pop it up. > > I attached a few pictures. If they don't go through and anybody is > interested, let me know. Sometimes for some reason I don't get everybody's > attachments. > > Hope that this helps. > > John K > 1980 R-22 > "Deci-Belle" > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of S/V > Lark > Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:14 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars > > I considered cargo nets before Chris posted his cruising gear link. I had > been afraid the weight of my gear against the line when the boat is on its > ears would put too much stress on the fiberglass cockpit casting, deadeyes > and any backing plate. I figure it?s better a $20 aluminum bar bends then > fiberglass cracks. I pulled for an Erie cruise today and will copy their > design while fitting out. Thanks to George and Chris. > > Alex Cole > Lark on the hard (but I did get 2 hrs in 15 knots first). > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20200904_144817.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 108551 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20200904_144817.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200905/d3bd7b71/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20200904_144903.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 119008 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20200904_144903.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200905/d3bd7b71/attachment-0001.jpg > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 13:04:48 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 12:04:48 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars In-Reply-To: References: <002301d675a6$fc5247c0$f4f6d740$@ebsmed.com> <1598480990396-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599099241708-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Nice work John. Looks like a simple and effective solution, which is the best kind! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sat, Sep 5, 2020 at 4:29 PM John Keyser wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I just finished installing a pair of retaining bars under each cockpit > seat. Everything was made from two pieces of 1" x 2" PVC board. The bases > are screwed into the floor and the bar is removable. After sailing with > this for a day, the only things that I may have to add are some sort of > removable pins at each end to keep the board seated in the holders, as > sometimes a foot could pop it up. > > I attached a few pictures. If they don't go through and anybody is > interested, let me know. Sometimes for some reason I don't get everybody's > attachments. > > Hope that this helps. > > John K > 1980 R-22 > "Deci-Belle" > > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of S/V > Lark > Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2020 10:14 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Under Seat Storage retaining bars > > I considered cargo nets before Chris posted his cruising gear link. I had > been afraid the weight of my gear against the line when the boat is on its > ears would put too much stress on the fiberglass cockpit casting, deadeyes > and any backing plate. I figure it?s better a $20 aluminum bar bends then > fiberglass cracks. I pulled for an Erie cruise today and will copy their > design while fitting out. Thanks to George and Chris. > > Alex Cole > Lark on the hard (but I did get 2 hrs in 15 knots first). > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20200904_144817.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 108551 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20200904_144817.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200905/d3bd7b71/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: thumbnail_20200904_144903.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 119008 bytes > Desc: thumbnail_20200904_144903.jpg > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200905/d3bd7b71/attachment-0001.jpg > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 13:22:05 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 12:22:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Since the remote on my motorized winch was starting to act up late last summer, I had pondered whether to switch to a manual setup or replace the winch. Now that I hear of the loads mentioned in this thread, I'm glad I chose the path of replacing with a new electric winch. My back gives me problems occasionally and lifting a heavy motor (my 9.8 Tohatsu is no feather) could be problematic. Also, it's best if my wife is comfortable running all operations of the boat as well and lifting a motor that weighs so much, even with the mechanical advantage, may not even be feasible for her. Since I did have concerns about redundancy, I replaced it with a new ATV winch that had both a wired switch and two remotes. That project is summarized at http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 I figured that if the motor was ever stuck in the up position and the electric winch failed when I really needed to lower the motor, I could run a line over the stern rail that attaches to the motor and to the port winch like Mike mentioned. After getting that tensioned I could cut the belt that runs from the winch and would be free to lower the motor gradually with the spare line. Raising would be the same technique, only it would not require cutting of the belt. Since my motor will occasionally get slightly stuck on the way down, I give the tracks an occasional spray of silicone lubricant and that helps. All I need to do is give the motor a little nudge on the way down if it gets stuck. It never seems to be an issue on the way up. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM Gmorganflier wrote: > Peter, > > It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our manual lift > system. Please post some photos. > > I thought of something which may be causing my extra resistance and maybe > on > yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom or top stops, > just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it side to side > and > there?s a lot of movement. There was even more when I bought the boat > before > i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the slop. > > With our system I wonder where the center of force is on the bottom tube. > Maybe it?s not centered and it?s not pulling the motor up straight in the > channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it?s cocking the engine at an > angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I?ll have to > experiment with this. > > George Morgan > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 14:25:15 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 11:25:15 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1599416715762-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I emailed Roger for an engineering answer to the question Peter and I had about why it was taking more pull than we expected. Below is his response. I obviously had a misconception about how a block and tackle system works and I didn?t consider the horizontal component Roger described. George _____________________ ?Hi George, I see two issues with your design. The force is only evenly distributed among the various falls between the blocks until the motor starts to move. Once the motor starts to move, the tension in each fall drops off by the force ratio in the block and tackle up to that point. i.e. Fall 1 has ~106 lbs of tension, fall 2 has ~53 lbs, and so forth. If you look at the way the line is rigged thru the various blocks and sum up the tension on the block mounting points, you will see the block closer to the port side has considerably more force on it than the other block. This unequal loading might be tending to cause the sliding motor mount to be nonsquare in the tracks, thus causing it to bind up slightly. The other issue is the changing geometry as the motor gets near the top of the track. Your design pulls on the motor mount at an angle instead of straight up and down the track. So, there is a horizontal component of the block and tackle force that is trying to pull the motor into the transom and only the vertical component is raising the motor. This vertical component is proportional to the tangent of the angle made by the block and tackle relative to vertical. As the motor approaches the top of the track, this angle increases. Thus, more and more of the force is wasted trying to pull the motor into the transom. So, not only is there less vertical force available to lift the motor as it nears the top of its travel; but, this horizontal component might also be causing the sliding motor mount to bind in the track, with the binding getting worse as the motor nears the top of its travel. The GBI manual motor mount design clusters all the blocks on the centerline, the tension from the block and tackle is directly in line with the tracks, and the force available to lift the motor doesn?t change with motor position; thus eliminating or minimizing all the effects described above. Using standard off the shelf hardware, I don?t see anyway to fix your design. You may just have to live with it. If there really is the binding I am describing; then, you will also experience increased wear on the sliding components. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium? -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From hnw555 at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 15:09:42 2020 From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 15:09:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <1599416715762-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599416715762-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: George, What if you installed some sort of bracket directly on top of the slides to mount the blocks into? This would then put the force more vertical and maybe eliminate the horizontal component. Hank On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 2:25 PM Gmorganflier wrote: > I emailed Roger for an engineering answer to the question Peter and I had > about why it was taking more pull than we expected. Below is his response. > I > obviously had a misconception about how a block and tackle system works and > I didn?t consider the horizontal component Roger described. > > George > > _____________________ > > ?Hi George, > > I see two issues with your design. The force is only evenly distributed > among the various falls between the blocks until the motor starts to move. > Once the motor starts to move, the tension in each fall drops off by the > force ratio in the block and tackle up to that point. i.e. Fall 1 has ~106 > lbs of tension, fall 2 has ~53 lbs, and so forth. If you look at the way > the line is rigged thru the various blocks and sum up the tension on the > block mounting points, you will see the block closer to the port side has > considerably more force on it than the other block. This unequal loading > might be tending to cause the sliding motor mount to be nonsquare in the > tracks, thus causing it to bind up slightly. The other issue is the > changing geometry as the motor gets near the top of the track. Your design > pulls on the motor mount at an angle instead of straight up and down the > track. So, there is a horizontal component of the block and tackle force > that is trying to pull the motor into the transom and only the vertical > component is raising the motor. This vertical component is proportional to > the tangent of the angle made by the block and tackle relative to > vertical. > As the motor approaches the top of the track, this angle increases. Thus, > more and more of the force is wasted trying to pull the motor into the > transom. So, not only is there less vertical force available to lift the > motor as it nears the top of its travel; but, this horizontal component > might also be causing the sliding motor mount to bind in the track, with > the > binding getting worse as the motor nears the top of its travel. > > The GBI manual motor mount design clusters all the blocks on the > centerline, > the tension from the block and tackle is directly in line with the tracks, > and the force available to lift the motor doesn?t change with motor > position; thus eliminating or minimizing all the effects described above. > Using standard off the shelf hardware, I don?t see anyway to fix your > design. You may just have to live with it. If there really is the binding > I am describing; then, you will also experience increased wear on the > sliding components. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium? > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From stan at generalboats.com Sun Sep 6 16:04:57 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 16:04:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> > Boys and Girls, you are clogging up my inbox with this thread, to the > point that you know I go out of my way not to do; step in.? Of course > Chis is correct: /"Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a > manual lift with a 6:1 pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a > while back and it lifted the motor pretty easily." / We did.? And of course Roger is correct.? We used a direct in line pulling design with most all the energy going to moving the motor upward.? Even folk conceived in the roaring twenties could raise and gently lower that contaminating part of their boat.? Actually with 6 sheaves I think it was set up as a 7:1 ratio.? Those smirking a GB design, redesigned by some previous owner, are being innocently disingenuous. Consider the chair.? All 4 of its legs must work as designed or it becomes a rocking chair. Not so with a 3 legged stool. A stretch of an analogy but it points to the fact that any fault you are now encountering is not the result of a 3 X 2 wheel pulley system that worked heretofore, but is the fault of somehow new increased friction being introduced in the moving of the trolley.? So let's count those ways, bearing in mind that sometimes creative prior owners improve on our design - and sometimes, not being tuned into all the variables, they do not: 1. The 2 aluminum channel tracks that the trolley rides in are distanced so that there is almost zero side to side play of the trolley.? If there is noticeable trolley side to side play, /*or*/ the tracks are not parallel, something or someone has altered the tracks from how they were set when leaving the plant. ? More important: 2.??? The aluminum tracks must be in the same plane.?? To make this possible on the curved transom of the boat, 2 long plastic parts are individually shaped and vertically mounted on the transom for the aluminum track channels to mount to so as to keep each track in the same plane. (These 2 long plastic parts are mounted to the transom by machine screws from inside the lazaret.) To the extent the aluminum tracks are displaced from being in the same plane, friction increases the force needed to raise the motor.? What could displace the tracks from being in the same plane?? Other owners "repairs". (I see in this thread where an owner replaced one of the two aluminum tracks with a home made plastic design, perhaps not tuned into the same plane need.? It did look like they were so far apart the trolley could be removed simply by moving it far enough to one side so the other side would lift out of its track. We do read some reporting of strange noises and machine screw heads pulling through transoms.? Hulls built by others were thin and reinforced with wood strips in the lazaret at the motor lift section of the transom. ? A transom that could flex even slightly will take trolley tracks out of the same plane and increase friction that has to be overcome. On older recycled boats this gets caught and corrected, while it is probably missed on privately bought boats.? Hulls built in Edenton are coreless and of solid glass so thick, transoms carry motor lift, rudder loads and boarding ladder, all with no back up support. There is no flexing, even when pulled from the mold. 3.??? Trolley sliders.? If you have one continuous long slider on each side of the trolley, it is not a factory installation and is a source of considerable friction in non parallel and/or not in the same plane tracks.? Manual lift trolleys had 4 small wheels or sliders, two per side, mounted on pins or axles that allowed them to adjust their angles continuously to accommodate small track variations.? If sliders are multi fastened to the trolley and thus are not accommodative, friction will increase.? When we went to trolleys that could work manually or electrically, we went back to the 3 legged stool idea. There is only one slider on each side of the trolley's upper end.? This reduces friction.? There being no 4 sliders, the third leg of the trolley is a large wheel centered at the bottom of the trolley, that simply rides on the surface of the transom.? This allows for the trolley to start automatically tilting at the right moment to further raise the motor clear of the water. Two final comments.? To answer Peter's good questioning of 'if the manual version was so good why did we go to the electric version?' One, for a commercial reason. To expand our market appeal beyond the Peter principle level. */The ladies love it./*? The other, personal.? I got old and lazy and giving one demonstration sail after another at the Annapolis Sailboat show, where both sailing and motoring is required and the cockpit is full, I became inspired. Then during the demo sail I would ask one of the prospects to tell the motor to come out of the water.? When he or she did and nothing happened, I would say, "No, no.? That motor is from Japan. You have to speak to it in Japaneses".? Luckily, never having a guest who could, I would make some gibberish noise, press the remote in my pocket, take my bows, and maybe a deposit. The other comment is that all of the above is academic since when and if I ever get partnering, I have an idea that may make inboard, retractable electric propulsion competitive with outboards of any kind, and be standard with each Rhodes, making this entire thread of historical interest. stan From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 16:16:11 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 16:16:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Hi Stan, How much for a DIY upgrade kit, English version? Regards, Rick Lange On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:05 PM stan wrote: > > > Boys and Girls, you are clogging up my inbox with this thread, to the > > point that you know I go out of my way not to do; step in. Of course > > Chis is correct: /"Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a > > manual lift with a 6:1 pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a > > while back and it lifted the motor pretty easily." / > We did. And of course Roger is correct. We used a direct in line > pulling design with most all the energy going to moving the motor > upward. Even folk conceived in the roaring twenties could raise and > gently lower that contaminating part of their boat. Actually with 6 > sheaves I think it was set up as a 7:1 ratio. Those smirking a GB > design, redesigned by some previous owner, are being innocently > disingenuous. > > Consider the chair. All 4 of its legs must work as designed or it > becomes a rocking chair. Not so with a 3 legged stool. A stretch of an > analogy but it points to the fact that any fault you are now > encountering is not the result of a 3 X 2 wheel pulley system that > worked heretofore, but is the fault of somehow new increased friction > being introduced in the moving of the trolley. So let's count those > ways, bearing in mind that sometimes creative prior owners improve on > our design - and sometimes, not being tuned into all the variables, they > do not: > > 1. The 2 aluminum channel tracks that the trolley rides in are distanced > so that there is almost zero side to side play of the trolley. If there > is noticeable trolley side to side play, /*or*/ the tracks are not > parallel, something or someone has altered the tracks from how they were > set when leaving the plant. More important: > > 2. The aluminum tracks must be in the same plane. To make this > possible on the curved transom of the boat, 2 long plastic parts are > individually shaped and vertically mounted on the transom for the > aluminum track channels to mount to so as to keep each track in the same > plane. (These 2 long plastic parts are mounted to the transom by machine > screws from inside the lazaret.) To the extent the aluminum tracks are > displaced from being in the same plane, friction increases the force > needed to raise the motor. What could displace the tracks from being in > the same plane? Other owners "repairs". (I see in this thread where an > owner replaced one of the two aluminum tracks with a home made plastic > design, perhaps not tuned into the same plane need. It did look like > they were so far apart the trolley could be removed simply by moving it > far enough to one side so the other side would lift out of its track. We > do read some reporting of strange noises and machine screw heads pulling > through transoms. Hulls built by others were thin and reinforced with > wood strips in the lazaret at the motor lift section of the transom. A > transom that could flex even slightly will take trolley tracks out of > the same plane and increase friction that has to be overcome. On older > recycled boats this gets caught and corrected, while it is probably > missed on privately bought boats. Hulls built in Edenton are coreless > and of solid glass so thick, transoms carry motor lift, rudder loads and > boarding ladder, all with no back up support. There is no flexing, even > when pulled from the mold. > > 3. Trolley sliders. If you have one continuous long slider on each > side of the trolley, it is not a factory installation and is a source of > considerable friction in non parallel and/or not in the same plane > tracks. Manual lift trolleys had 4 small wheels or sliders, two per > side, mounted on pins or axles that allowed them to adjust their angles > continuously to accommodate small track variations. If sliders are > multi fastened to the trolley and thus are not accommodative, friction > will increase. When we went to trolleys that could work manually or > electrically, we went back to the 3 legged stool idea. There is only one > slider on each side of the trolley's upper end. This reduces friction. > There being no 4 sliders, the third leg of the trolley is a large wheel > centered at the bottom of the trolley, that simply rides on the surface > of the transom. This allows for the trolley to start automatically > tilting at the right moment to further raise the motor clear of the water. > > Two final comments. To answer Peter's good questioning of 'if the > manual version was so good why did we go to the electric version?' One, > for a commercial reason. To expand our market appeal beyond the Peter > principle level. */The ladies love it./* The other, personal. I got > old and lazy and giving one demonstration sail after another at the > Annapolis Sailboat show, where both sailing and motoring is required and > the cockpit is full, I became inspired. Then during the demo sail I > would ask one of the prospects to tell the motor to come out of the > water. When he or she did and nothing happened, I would say, "No, no. > That motor is from Japan. You have to speak to it in Japaneses". > Luckily, never having a guest who could, I would make some gibberish > noise, press the remote in my pocket, take my bows, and maybe a deposit. > > The other comment is that all of the above is academic since when and if > I ever get partnering, I have an idea that may make inboard, retractable > electric propulsion competitive with outboards of any kind, and be > standard with each Rhodes, making this entire thread of historical > interest. > > stan > > > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Sun Sep 6 17:14:59 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 17:14:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <9ff60256-562d-9fb6-9b99-ee447aa45914@atlanticbb.net> I will add to this discussion and say that we had the 6:1 manual motor mount on Fretless and for the entire 18 years? we owned her I did not have trouble raising the motor.? I vaguely remember we did replace a stop at the bottom of the lift (or something). Unlike pushing the button on the electric lift, I did have to stand on the seat to get the correct angle to haul it up and I did have to use a few muscles. I also occasionally had to give it a little shove to get it to start down when lowering the outboard but I am not an especially fit person and managed just fine. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246, Tara On 9/6/2020 4:04 PM, stan wrote: > >> Boys and Girls, you are clogging up my inbox with this thread, to the >> point that you know I go out of my way not to do; step in.? Of course >> Chis is correct: /"Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a >> manual lift with a 6:1 pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a >> while back and it lifted the motor pretty easily." / > We did.? And of course Roger is correct.? We used a direct in line > pulling design with most all the energy going to moving the motor > upward.? Even folk conceived in the roaring twenties could raise and > gently lower that contaminating part of their boat.? Actually with 6 > sheaves I think it was set up as a 7:1 ratio.? Those smirking a GB > design, redesigned by some previous owner, are being innocently > disingenuous. > > Consider the chair.? All 4 of its legs must work as designed or it > becomes a rocking chair. Not so with a 3 legged stool. A stretch of an > analogy but it points to the fact that any fault you are now > encountering is not the result of a 3 X 2 wheel pulley system that > worked heretofore, but is the fault of somehow new increased friction > being introduced in the moving of the trolley.? So let's count those > ways, bearing in mind that sometimes creative prior owners improve on > our design - and sometimes, not being tuned into all the variables, > they do not: > > 1. The 2 aluminum channel tracks that the trolley rides in are > distanced so that there is almost zero side to side play of the > trolley.? If there is noticeable trolley side to side play, /*or*/ the > tracks are not parallel, something or someone has altered the tracks > from how they were set when leaving the plant. ? More important: > > 2.??? The aluminum tracks must be in the same plane.?? To make this > possible on the curved transom of the boat, 2 long plastic parts are > individually shaped and vertically mounted on the transom for the > aluminum track channels to mount to so as to keep each track in the > same plane. (These 2 long plastic parts are mounted to the transom by > machine screws from inside the lazaret.) To the extent the aluminum > tracks are displaced from being in the same plane, friction increases > the force needed to raise the motor.? What could displace the tracks > from being in the same plane?? Other owners "repairs". (I see in this > thread where an owner replaced one of the two aluminum tracks with a > home made plastic design, perhaps not tuned into the same plane need.? > It did look like they were so far apart the trolley could be removed > simply by moving it far enough to one side so the other side would > lift out of its track. We do read some reporting of strange noises and > machine screw heads pulling through transoms.? Hulls built by others > were thin and reinforced with wood strips in the lazaret at the motor > lift section of the transom. ? A transom that could flex even slightly > will take trolley tracks out of the same plane and increase friction > that has to be overcome. On older recycled boats this gets caught and > corrected, while it is probably missed on privately bought boats.? > Hulls built in Edenton are coreless and of solid glass so thick, > transoms carry motor lift, rudder loads and boarding ladder, all with > no back up support. There is no flexing, even when pulled from the mold. > > 3.??? Trolley sliders.? If you have one continuous long slider on each > side of the trolley, it is not a factory installation and is a source > of considerable friction in non parallel and/or not in the same plane > tracks.? Manual lift trolleys had 4 small wheels or sliders, two per > side, mounted on pins or axles that allowed them to adjust their > angles continuously to accommodate small track variations.? If sliders > are multi fastened to the trolley and thus are not accommodative, > friction will increase.? When we went to trolleys that could work > manually or electrically, we went back to the 3 legged stool idea. > There is only one slider on each side of the trolley's upper end.? > This reduces friction.? There being no 4 sliders, the third leg of the > trolley is a large wheel centered at the bottom of the trolley, that > simply rides on the surface of the transom.? This allows for the > trolley to start automatically tilting at the right moment to further > raise the motor clear of the water. > > Two final comments.? To answer Peter's good questioning of 'if the > manual version was so good why did we go to the electric version?' > One, for a commercial reason. To expand our market appeal beyond the > Peter principle level. */The ladies love it./*? The other, personal.? > I got old and lazy and giving one demonstration sail after another at > the Annapolis Sailboat show, where both sailing and motoring is > required and the cockpit is full, I became inspired. Then during the > demo sail I would ask one of the prospects to tell the motor to come > out of the water.? When he or she did and nothing happened, I would > say, "No, no.? That motor is from Japan. You have to speak to it in > Japaneses".? Luckily, never having a guest who could, I would make > some gibberish noise, press the remote in my pocket, take my bows, and > maybe a deposit. > > The other comment is that all of the above is academic since when and > if I ever get partnering, I have an idea that may make inboard, > retractable electric propulsion competitive with outboards of any > kind, and be standard with each Rhodes, making this entire thread of > historical interest. > > stan > > -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 18:18:35 2020 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 18:18:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <9ff60256-562d-9fb6-9b99-ee447aa45914@atlanticbb.net> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <9ff60256-562d-9fb6-9b99-ee447aa45914@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: I am a lurker on this list who rarely chimes in, but I concur with Mary Lou?s assessment of the ease of using the manual mechanical-advantage motor mount (I am trying for alliteration). Occasionally I?ve sprayed a little lubricant to help things along, but it really works quite well. Would that I could write like Stan. I always enjoy, but never tell him enough how much, his unmatched combination of humor and useful information. Frank Asheville, NC S/V ?Mary Bess? (Rhodes 22) Lake Keowee, SC > On Sep 6, 2020, at 5:14 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > I will add to this discussion and say that we had the 6:1 manual motor mount on Fretless and for the entire 18 years we owned her I did not have trouble raising the motor. I vaguely remember we did replace a stop at the bottom of the lift (or something). Unlike pushing the button on the electric lift, I did have to stand on the seat to get the correct angle to haul it up and I did have to use a few muscles. I also occasionally had to give it a little shove to get it to start down when lowering the outboard but I am not an especially fit person and managed just fine. > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22 > now Rosborough RF-246, Tara > > > On 9/6/2020 4:04 PM, stan wrote: >> >>> Boys and Girls, you are clogging up my inbox with this thread, to the point that you know I go out of my way not to do; step in. Of course Chis is correct: /"Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a manual lift with a 6:1 pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a while back and it lifted the motor pretty easily." / >> We did. And of course Roger is correct. We used a direct in line pulling design with most all the energy going to moving the motor upward. Even folk conceived in the roaring twenties could raise and gently lower that contaminating part of their boat. Actually with 6 sheaves I think it was set up as a 7:1 ratio. Those smirking a GB design, redesigned by some previous owner, are being innocently disingenuous. >> >> Consider the chair. All 4 of its legs must work as designed or it becomes a rocking chair. Not so with a 3 legged stool. A stretch of an analogy but it points to the fact that any fault you are now encountering is not the result of a 3 X 2 wheel pulley system that worked heretofore, but is the fault of somehow new increased friction being introduced in the moving of the trolley. So let's count those ways, bearing in mind that sometimes creative prior owners improve on our design - and sometimes, not being tuned into all the variables, they do not: >> >> 1. The 2 aluminum channel tracks that the trolley rides in are distanced so that there is almost zero side to side play of the trolley. If there is noticeable trolley side to side play, /*or*/ the tracks are not parallel, something or someone has altered the tracks from how they were set when leaving the plant. More important: >> >> 2. The aluminum tracks must be in the same plane. To make this possible on the curved transom of the boat, 2 long plastic parts are individually shaped and vertically mounted on the transom for the aluminum track channels to mount to so as to keep each track in the same plane. (These 2 long plastic parts are mounted to the transom by machine screws from inside the lazaret.) To the extent the aluminum tracks are displaced from being in the same plane, friction increases the force needed to raise the motor. What could displace the tracks from being in the same plane? Other owners "repairs". (I see in this thread where an owner replaced one of the two aluminum tracks with a home made plastic design, perhaps not tuned into the same plane need. It did look like they were so far apart the trolley could be removed simply by moving it far enough to one side so the other side would lift out of its track. We do read some reporting of strange noises and machine screw heads pulling through transoms. Hulls built by others were thin and reinforced with wood strips in the lazaret at the motor lift section of the transom. A transom that could flex even slightly will take trolley tracks out of the same plane and increase friction that has to be overcome. On older recycled boats this gets caught and corrected, while it is probably missed on privately bought boats. Hulls built in Edenton are coreless and of solid glass so thick, transoms carry motor lift, rudder loads and boarding ladder, all with no back up support. There is no flexing, even when pulled from the mold. >> >> 3. Trolley sliders. If you have one continuous long slider on each side of the trolley, it is not a factory installation and is a source of considerable friction in non parallel and/or not in the same plane tracks. Manual lift trolleys had 4 small wheels or sliders, two per side, mounted on pins or axles that allowed them to adjust their angles continuously to accommodate small track variations. If sliders are multi fastened to the trolley and thus are not accommodative, friction will increase. When we went to trolleys that could work manually or electrically, we went back to the 3 legged stool idea. There is only one slider on each side of the trolley's upper end. This reduces friction. There being no 4 sliders, the third leg of the trolley is a large wheel centered at the bottom of the trolley, that simply rides on the surface of the transom. This allows for the trolley to start automatically tilting at the right moment to further raise the motor clear of the water. >> >> Two final comments. To answer Peter's good questioning of 'if the manual version was so good why did we go to the electric version?' One, for a commercial reason. To expand our market appeal beyond the Peter principle level. */The ladies love it./* The other, personal. I got old and lazy and giving one demonstration sail after another at the Annapolis Sailboat show, where both sailing and motoring is required and the cockpit is full, I became inspired. Then during the demo sail I would ask one of the prospects to tell the motor to come out of the water. When he or she did and nothing happened, I would say, "No, no. That motor is from Japan. You have to speak to it in Japaneses". Luckily, never having a guest who could, I would make some gibberish noise, press the remote in my pocket, take my bows, and maybe a deposit. >> >> The other comment is that all of the above is academic since when and if I ever get partnering, I have an idea that may make inboard, retractable electric propulsion competitive with outboards of any kind, and be standard with each Rhodes, making this entire thread of historical interest. >> >> stan >> >> > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Sep 6 18:45:49 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 18:45:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Stan,I always knew Purdue produced more than just poultry. Nice discussion, ME201 as I remember.I have the old (1991) manual version which still.works fine. The straight tracks were made of gray plastic with a narrow slot for the mount to ride in. No fancy aluminum guides or bearing surfaces. The only thing so far is that the top of the track cracked at the top bolt. Everything else is just fine.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue, NY -------- Original message --------From: stan Date: 9/6/20 4:05 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a ? Manual System > Boys and Girls, you are clogging up my inbox with this thread, to the > point that you know I go out of my way not to do; step in.? Of course > Chis is correct: /"Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a > manual lift with a 6:1 pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a > while back and it lifted the motor pretty easily." /We did.? And of course Roger is correct.? We used a direct in line pulling design with most all the energy going to moving the motor upward.? Even folk conceived in the roaring twenties could raise and gently lower that contaminating part of their boat.? Actually with 6 sheaves I think it was set up as a 7:1 ratio.? Those smirking a GB design, redesigned by some previous owner, are being innocently disingenuous.Consider the chair.? All 4 of its legs must work as designed or it becomes a rocking chair. Not so with a 3 legged stool. A stretch of an analogy but it points to the fact that any fault you are now encountering is not the result of a 3 X 2 wheel pulley system that worked heretofore, but is the fault of somehow new increased friction being introduced in the moving of the trolley.? So let's count those ways, bearing in mind that sometimes creative prior owners improve on our design - and sometimes, not being tuned into all the variables, they do not:1. The 2 aluminum channel tracks that the trolley rides in are distanced so that there is almost zero side to side play of the trolley.? If there is noticeable trolley side to side play, /*or*/ the tracks are not parallel, something or someone has altered the tracks from how they were set when leaving the plant. ? More important:2.??? The aluminum tracks must be in the same plane.?? To make this possible on the curved transom of the boat, 2 long plastic parts are individually shaped and vertically mounted on the transom for the aluminum track channels to mount to so as to keep each track in the same plane. (These 2 long plastic parts are mounted to the transom by machine screws from inside the lazaret.) To the extent the aluminum tracks are displaced from being in the same plane, friction increases the force needed to raise the motor.? What could displace the tracks from being in the same plane?? Other owners "repairs". (I see in this thread where an owner replaced one of the two aluminum tracks with a home made plastic design, perhaps not tuned into the same plane need.? It did look like they were so far apart the trolley could be removed simply by moving it far enough to one side so the other side would lift out of its track. We do read some reporting of strange noises and machine screw heads pulling through transoms.? Hulls built by others were thin and reinforced with wood strips in the lazaret at the motor lift section of the transom. ? A transom that could flex even slightly will take trolley tracks out of the same plane and increase friction that has to be overcome. On older recycled boats this gets caught and corrected, while it is probably missed on privately bought boats.? Hulls built in Edenton are coreless and of solid glass so thick, transoms carry motor lift, rudder loads and boarding ladder, all with no back up support. There is no flexing, even when pulled from the mold.3.??? Trolley sliders.? If you have one continuous long slider on each side of the trolley, it is not a factory installation and is a source of considerable friction in non parallel and/or not in the same plane tracks.? Manual lift trolleys had 4 small wheels or sliders, two per side, mounted on pins or axles that allowed them to adjust their angles continuously to accommodate small track variations.? If sliders are multi fastened to the trolley and thus are not accommodative, friction will increase.? When we went to trolleys that could work manually or electrically, we went back to the 3 legged stool idea. There is only one slider on each side of the trolley's upper end.? This reduces friction.? There being no 4 sliders, the third leg of the trolley is a large wheel centered at the bottom of the trolley, that simply rides on the surface of the transom.? This allows for the trolley to start automatically tilting at the right moment to further raise the motor clear of the water.Two final comments.? To answer Peter's good questioning of 'if the manual version was so good why did we go to the electric version?' One, for a commercial reason. To expand our market appeal beyond the Peter principle level. */The ladies love it./*? The other, personal.? I got old and lazy and giving one demonstration sail after another at the Annapolis Sailboat show, where both sailing and motoring is required and the cockpit is full, I became inspired. Then during the demo sail I would ask one of the prospects to tell the motor to come out of the water.? When he or she did and nothing happened, I would say, "No, no.? That motor is from Japan. You have to speak to it in Japaneses".? Luckily, never having a guest who could, I would make some gibberish noise, press the remote in my pocket, take my bows, and maybe a deposit.The other comment is that all of the above is academic since when and if I ever get partnering, I have an idea that may make inboard, retractable electric propulsion competitive with outboards of any kind, and be standard with each Rhodes, making this entire thread of historical interest.stan From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun Sep 6 21:09:11 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 21:09:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> You just never can tell what topics are going to generate long threads. I wouldn?t have bet on this one. This discussion has motivated me to try to improve my manual motor lift system, which I?ve spent most of today doing. I think I?ve taken it about as far as I can, without getting too crazy, and I think I have a way to estimate pull force without buying special equipment. Hopefully, I?ll have an update tomorrow. In the meantime, if anyone has pictures of a GBI manual lift system, I?d really like to see them. If it was a pure vertical lift, I?m thinking that the rails must have been longer (extending higher). Also, I?m guessing that there was no motor-tilt feature. ?Peter From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 21:49:50 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 18:49:50 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, I?ll be curious to see your update. The attached photo is the only one I have of the GBI manual lift. I wish there was some way to lift vertically, but still tilt at the top of travel. That?s an engineering problem with possibly no solution. My Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot is not easy to tilt by hand and I was trying to convert Stan?s invention to do it manually rather than with an electric winch. I think Stan is right about some previous owner doing something To my boat to throw the tracks out of alignment. I?ve got a lot of side to side play in my mount and there is a heavy duty metal beam across the bottom of the tracks which I?ve never seen on another R22. This is probably why my electric winch causes the scary noises coming from the transom as the motor gets toward the top. George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Sep 6 22:07:52 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 22:07:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: On my motor there is a little knop you can pull out and it allows the winch to "freewheel" so getting the motor down doesn't involve cutting the webbing. Speaking of webbing, where can I get a replacement, it has some holes in it where it snagged a bolt which probably caused the pull through. Oh and I will file your project write up in my Red Rhodes file. Thanks! Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 1:22 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Since the remote on my motorized winch was starting to act up late last > summer, I had pondered whether to switch to a manual setup or replace the > winch. Now that I hear of the loads mentioned in this thread, I'm glad I > chose the path of replacing with a new electric winch. My back gives me > problems occasionally and lifting a heavy motor (my 9.8 Tohatsu is no > feather) could be problematic. Also, it's best if my wife is comfortable > running all operations of the boat as well and lifting a motor that weighs > so much, even with the mechanical advantage, may not even be feasible for > her. Since I did have concerns about redundancy, I replaced it with a new > ATV winch that had both a wired switch and two remotes. That project is > summarized at > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > > I figured that if the motor was ever stuck in the up position and the > electric winch failed when I really needed to lower the motor, I could run > a line over the stern rail that attaches to the motor and to the port winch > like Mike mentioned. After getting that tensioned I could cut the belt > that runs from the winch and would be free to lower the motor gradually > with the spare line. Raising would be the same technique, only it would > not require cutting of the belt. > > Since my motor will occasionally get slightly stuck on the way down, I give > the tracks an occasional spray of silicone lubricant and that helps. All I > need to do is give the motor a little nudge on the way down if it gets > stuck. It never seems to be an issue on the way up. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM Gmorganflier > wrote: > > > Peter, > > > > It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our manual lift > > system. Please post some photos. > > > > I thought of something which may be causing my extra resistance and maybe > > on > > yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom or top stops, > > just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it side to side > > and > > there?s a lot of movement. There was even more when I bought the boat > > before > > i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the slop. > > > > With our system I wonder where the center of force is on the bottom tube. > > Maybe it?s not centered and it?s not pulling the motor up straight in the > > channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it?s cocking the engine at an > > angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I?ll have to > > experiment with this. > > > > George Morgan > > > > > > > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From stan at generalboats.com Sun Sep 6 22:18:05 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 22:18:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5eb3e0ff-03df-b2f7-8f63-66a073927231@generalboats.com> Where do you think I learned to lay eggs. The mere mention of eggs and I am reminded of the movie Annie Hall.? At the end of the film Woody Allen gets on the screen and tells the Audience a joke I think intended to explain the movie. Very short version:? A guy goes to his shrink and says, 'I am sharing an apartment with my brother and he is beginning to drive me crazy.? He goes around all day thinking and acting like he is a chicken.? I can't take it anymore.'? 'Why don't you move' asks the shrink. 'I need the eggs.' New subject: You mention /"ME201 as I remember"./? Was that your class in Mechanical Engineering? or do I have to get Michael Meltzer to decipher it. Actual purpose of this email:? Do you have the email address of lurker *Frank Goldsmith*. I have no time to get List social so want to contact him directly to see if he needs a copy of the Tips booklet.? Since Elton left and Rose left and you won't help me, I don't have a minute to spare to even make sometimes needed List corrections so want to keep a low profile. Also unrelated but you may be interested, I know even more surprise than I, how ROC membership is growing.? It bodes well for the Rhodes getting another 50 years. Bell just rang, new mail coming in, have to see if another ROC wannabe. The previous one today was a new owner in CA. Last month an antagonistic anti ROC fan simply converted over night.? While a big name on the List quietly surprised me with an out of the blue check in the mail. stan On 9/6/20 6:45 PM, Michael Weisner wrote: > Stan,I always knew Purdue produced more than just poultry. Nice discussion, ME201 as I remember.I have the old (1991) manual version which still.works fine. The straight tracks were made of gray plastic with a narrow slot for the mount to ride in. No fancy aluminum guides or bearing surfaces. The only thing so far is that the top of the track cracked at the top bolt. Everything else is just fine.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue, NY > -------- Original message --------From: stan Date: 9/6/20 4:05 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a > ? Manual System > Boys and Girls, you are clogging up my inbox with this thread, to the > point that you know I go out of my way not to do; step in.? Of course > Chis is correct: /"Are we reinventing the wheel, didn't Stan have a > manual lift with a 6:1 pull? I seem to recall one at the boat show a > while back and it lifted the motor pretty easily." /We did.? And of course Roger is correct.? We used a direct in line pulling design with most all the energy going to moving the motor upward.? Even folk conceived in the roaring twenties could raise and gently lower that contaminating part of their boat.? Actually with 6 sheaves I think it was set up as a 7:1 ratio.? Those smirking a GB design, redesigned by some previous owner, are being innocently disingenuous.Consider the chair.? All 4 of its legs must work as designed or it becomes a rocking chair. Not so with a 3 legged stool. A stretch of an analogy but it points to the fact that any fault you are now encountering is not the result of a 3 X 2 wheel pulley system that worked heretofore, but is the fault of somehow new increased friction being introduced in the moving of the trolley.? So let's count those ways, bearing in mind that sometimes creative prior owners improve on our design - and sometimes, not being tuned into all the variables, they do not:1. The 2 aluminum channel tracks that the trolley rides in are distanced so that there is almost zero side to side play of the trolley.? If there is noticeable trolley side to side play, /*or*/ the tracks are not parallel, something or someone has altered the tracks from how they were set when leaving the plant. ? More important:2.??? The aluminum tracks must be in the same plane.?? To make this possible on the curved transom of the boat, 2 long plastic parts are individually shaped and vertically mounted on the transom for the aluminum track channels to mount to so as to keep each track in the same plane. (These 2 long plastic parts are mounted to the transom by machine screws from inside the lazaret.) To the extent the aluminum tracks are displaced from being in the same plane, friction increases the force needed to raise the motor.? What could displace the tracks from being in the same plane?? Other owners "repairs". (I see in this thread where an owner replaced one of the two aluminum tracks with a home made plastic design, perhaps not tuned into the same plane need.? It did look like they were so far apart the trolley could be removed simply by moving it far enough to one side so the other side would lift out of its track. We do read some reporting of strange noises and machine screw heads pulling through transoms.? Hulls built by others were thin and reinforced with wood strips in the lazaret at the motor lift section of the transom. ? A transom that could flex even slightly will take trolley tracks out of the same plane and increase friction that has to be overcome. On older recycled boats this gets caught and corrected, while it is probably missed on privately bought boats.? Hulls built in Edenton are coreless and of solid glass so thick, transoms carry motor lift, rudder loads and boarding ladder, all with no back up support. There is no flexing, even when pulled from the mold.3.??? Trolley sliders.? If you have one continuous long slider on each side of the trolley, it is not a factory installation and is a source of considerable friction in non parallel and/or not in the same plane tracks.? Manual lift trolleys had 4 small wheels or sliders, two per side, mounted on pins or axles that allowed them to adjust their angles continuously to accommodate small track variations.? If sliders are multi fastened to the trolley and thus are not accommodative, friction will increase.? When we went to trolleys that could work manually or electrically, we went back to the 3 legged stool idea. There is only one slider on each side of the trolley's upper end.? This reduces friction.? There being no 4 sliders, the third leg of the trolley is a large wheel centered at the bottom of the trolley, that simply rides on the surface of the transom.? This allows for the trolley to start automatically tilting at the right moment to further raise the motor clear of the water.Two final comments.? To answer Peter's good questioning of 'if the manual version was so good why did we go to the electric version?' One, for a commercial reason. To expand our market appeal beyond the Peter principle level. */The ladies love it./*? The other, personal.? I got old and lazy and giving one demonstration sail after another at the Annapolis Sailboat show, where both sailing and motoring is required and the cockpit is full, I became inspired. Then during the demo sail I would ask one of the prospects to tell the motor to come out of the water.? When he or she did and nothing happened, I would say, "No, no.? That motor is from Japan. You have to speak to it in Japaneses".? Luckily, never having a guest who could, I would make some gibberish noise, press the remote in my pocket, take my bows, and maybe a deposit.The other comment is that all of the above is academic since when and if I ever get partnering, I have an idea that may make inboard, retractable electric propulsion competitive with outboards of any kind, and be standard with each Rhodes, making this entire thread of historical interest.stan From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Sun Sep 6 22:21:33 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 22:21:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> References: <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <584ce909-0609-ac63-90a8-0f2fff123b86@atlanticbb.net> Here are two photos of the lift on Fretless when we had her. One is from the top which gives a decent view of the setup and the other from the ground looking at the stern quarter. Hope these are helpful. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246,? Tara On 9/6/2020 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > You just never can tell what topics are going to generate long threads. I wouldn?t have bet on this one. > > This discussion has motivated me to try to improve my manual motor lift system, which I?ve spent most of today doing. I think I?ve taken it about as far as I can, without getting too crazy, and I think I have a way to estimate pull force without buying special equipment. Hopefully, I?ll have an update tomorrow. > > In the meantime, if anyone has pictures of a GBI manual lift system, I?d really like to see them. If it was a pure vertical lift, I?m thinking that the rails must have been longer (extending higher). Also, I?m guessing that there was no motor-tilt feature. > > ?Peter -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 2016-06-03 Yamaha 8 002web.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 545164 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: outboard 007 web.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 291933 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun Sep 6 22:33:20 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2020 22:33:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <584ce909-0609-ac63-90a8-0f2fff123b86@atlanticbb.net> References: <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> <584ce909-0609-ac63-90a8-0f2fff123b86@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: <2068C120-C664-40FD-A448-53B938D31E85@sunnybeeches.com> Thanks Mary Lou. ?Peter > On Sep 6, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Mary Lou Troy wrote: > > Here are two photos of the lift on Fretless when we had her. One is from the top which gives a decent view of the setup and the other from the ground looking at the stern quarter. > > Hope these are helpful. > > Mary Lou > ex Rhodes 22 > now Rosborough RF-246, Tara > > On 9/6/2020 9:09 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> You just never can tell what topics are going to generate long threads. I wouldn?t have bet on this one. >> >> This discussion has motivated me to try to improve my manual motor lift system, which I?ve spent most of today doing. I think I?ve taken it about as far as I can, without getting too crazy, and I think I have a way to estimate pull force without buying special equipment. Hopefully, I?ll have an update tomorrow. >> >> In the meantime, if anyone has pictures of a GBI manual lift system, I?d really like to see them. If it was a pure vertical lift, I?m thinking that the rails must have been longer (extending higher). Also, I?m guessing that there was no motor-tilt feature. >> >> ?Peter > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 2016-06-03 Yamaha 8 002web.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 545164 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: outboard 007 web.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 291933 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 16:22:51 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 15:22:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Chris, thanks for your comment about the knob. Upon further inspection I can pull out a knob on my ATV winch and it will freewheel as you mentioned - much better than cutting the webbing! Regarding replacement of the webbing, it appears to be a winch strap of the same kind used on the manual winch used at the front of the trailer to pull / keep the boat forward and these are widely available as a replacement part. I actually had to replace my winch strap at the front of my trailer after the last road trip due to some chafing issues resulting from the bow being slightly off center as a result of a downhill park and slide effort to move the boat forward. Good luck with your Red Rhodes! S/V Zephyr On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:08 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > On my motor there is a little knop you can pull out and it allows the winch > to "freewheel" so getting the motor down doesn't involve cutting the > webbing. Speaking of webbing, where can I get a replacement, it has some > holes in it where it snagged a bolt which probably caused the pull > through. Oh and I will file your project write up in my Red Rhodes file. > Thanks! > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 1:22 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Since the remote on my motorized winch was starting to act up late last > > summer, I had pondered whether to switch to a manual setup or replace the > > winch. Now that I hear of the loads mentioned in this thread, I'm glad I > > chose the path of replacing with a new electric winch. My back gives me > > problems occasionally and lifting a heavy motor (my 9.8 Tohatsu is no > > feather) could be problematic. Also, it's best if my wife is comfortable > > running all operations of the boat as well and lifting a motor that > weighs > > so much, even with the mechanical advantage, may not even be feasible for > > her. Since I did have concerns about redundancy, I replaced it with a > new > > ATV winch that had both a wired switch and two remotes. That project is > > summarized at > > > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > > > > > I figured that if the motor was ever stuck in the up position and the > > electric winch failed when I really needed to lower the motor, I could > run > > a line over the stern rail that attaches to the motor and to the port > winch > > like Mike mentioned. After getting that tensioned I could cut the belt > > that runs from the winch and would be free to lower the motor gradually > > with the spare line. Raising would be the same technique, only it would > > not require cutting of the belt. > > > > Since my motor will occasionally get slightly stuck on the way down, I > give > > the tracks an occasional spray of silicone lubricant and that helps. > All I > > need to do is give the motor a little nudge on the way down if it gets > > stuck. It never seems to be an issue on the way up. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM Gmorganflier > > wrote: > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our manual lift > > > system. Please post some photos. > > > > > > I thought of something which may be causing my extra resistance and > maybe > > > on > > > yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom or top > stops, > > > just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it side to > side > > > and > > > there?s a lot of movement. There was even more when I bought the boat > > > before > > > i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the slop. > > > > > > With our system I wonder where the center of force is on the bottom > tube. > > > Maybe it?s not centered and it?s not pulling the motor up straight in > the > > > channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it?s cocking the engine at an > > > angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I?ll have to > > > experiment with this. > > > > > > George Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 17:16:16 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 17:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1595770984728-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <40313db9-aff4-7af3-92e7-819127320534@generalboats.com> <1595907004252-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1881679227.5809182.1595941736437@mail.yahoo.com> <1595944556582-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1595956132233-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the wispy morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning hunt. Dove into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on the way back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. On the way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when I normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake speed I hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I was hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. I stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went to slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better check the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina and buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held vacuum and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. 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Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 118123 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 17:53:53 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 17:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1595770984728-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <40313db9-aff4-7af3-92e7-819127320534@generalboats.com> <1595907004252-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1881679227.5809182.1595941736437@mail.yahoo.com> <1595944556582-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1595956132233-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <56411.24.140.30.102.1599515633.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back at the lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three hours, until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward of the centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel is where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out of the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a few more pics and more later. Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 > A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice > uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the wispy > morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning hunt. Dove > into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on the way > back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. On the > way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when I > normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake speed I > hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I was > hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. I > stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went to > slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better check > the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. > Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina and > buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held vacuum > and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to stop > here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4941147 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 18:02:11 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 18:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <56411.24.140.30.102.1599515633.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1595770984728-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <40313db9-aff4-7af3-92e7-819127320534@generalboats.com> <1595907004252-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1881679227.5809182.1595941736437@mail.yahoo.com> <1595944556582-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1595956132233-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56411.24.140.30.102.1599515633.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <56438.24.140.30.102.1599516131.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more pics and then more story. I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back at the > lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three hours, > until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward of the > centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel is > where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out of > the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a few > more pics and more later. > > Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 > > > > > >> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >> wispy >> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning hunt. >> Dove >> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on the >> way >> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. On >> the >> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when I >> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake speed I >> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I was >> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. I >> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went to >> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >> check >> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina and >> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held vacuum >> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to stop >> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3318533 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Sep 7 18:10:13 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 18:10:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <56438.24.140.30.102.1599516131.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56438.24.140.30.102.1599516131.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <90F78E5A-10D2-4A34-8F48-A10F236CA830@stottarchitecture.com> Yikes!!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 7, 2020, at 6:02 PM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote: > > ?Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more pics and > then more story. > > > > > I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back at the >> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three hours, >> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward of the >> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel is >> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out of >> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a few >> more pics and more later. >> >> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >> >> >> >> >> >>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>> wispy >>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning hunt. >>> Dove >>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on the >>> way >>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. On >>> the >>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when I >>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake speed I >>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I was >>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. I >>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went to >>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>> check >>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina and >>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held vacuum >>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to stop >>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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The pump kept up to the ingress for over three hours, >> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward of >> the >> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel is >> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out of >> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a few >> more pics and more later. >> >> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >> >> >> >> >> >>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>> wispy >>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning hunt. >>> Dove >>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on the >>> way >>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. On >>> the >>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when I >>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake speed I >>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I was >>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. I >>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went to >>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>> check >>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina and >>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held vacuum >>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to stop >>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4019857 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 18:45:25 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 18:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <56912.24.140.30.102.1599518355.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1595770984728-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <40313db9-aff4-7af3-92e7-819127320534@generalboats.com> <1595907004252-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1881679227.5809182.1595941736437@mail.yahoo.com> <1595944556582-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1595956132233-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56411.24.140.30.102.1599515633.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56438.24.140.30.102.1599516131.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56912.24.140.30.102.1599518355.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <56926.24.140.30.102.1599518725.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen > Inside looking out > > > >> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more pics >> and >> then more story. >> >> >> >> >> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back at >> the >>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three hours, >>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward of >>> the >>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel is >>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out of >>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a few >>> more pics and more later. >>> >>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>>> wispy >>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning hunt. >>>> Dove >>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on the >>>> way >>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. On >>>> the >>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when I >>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake speed >>>> I >>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I >>>> was >>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. I >>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went to >>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>>> check >>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina >>>> and >>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>> vacuum >>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to stop >>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3203417 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 19:11:15 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 19:11:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hey Jesse, Thanks for the lead. I?ll check it out. I am also following one for seat belt suppliers but that might be a bit spendy. Chris G On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 16:23, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Chris, thanks for your comment about the knob. Upon further inspection I > can pull out a knob on my ATV winch and it will freewheel as you mentioned > - much better than cutting the webbing! > > Regarding replacement of the webbing, it appears to be a winch strap of the > same kind used on the manual winch used at the front of the trailer to pull > / keep the boat forward and these are widely available as a replacement > part. I actually had to replace my winch strap at the front of my trailer > after the last road trip due to some chafing issues resulting from the bow > being slightly off center as a result of a downhill park and slide effort > to move the boat forward. > > Good luck with your Red Rhodes! > > S/V Zephyr > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:08 PM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > On my motor there is a little knop you can pull out and it allows the > winch > > to "freewheel" so getting the motor down doesn't involve cutting the > > webbing. Speaking of webbing, where can I get a replacement, it has some > > holes in it where it snagged a bolt which probably caused the pull > > through. Oh and I will file your project write up in my Red Rhodes file. > > Thanks! > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 1:22 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Since the remote on my motorized winch was starting to act up late last > > > summer, I had pondered whether to switch to a manual setup or replace > the > > > winch. Now that I hear of the loads mentioned in this thread, I'm > glad I > > > chose the path of replacing with a new electric winch. My back gives > me > > > problems occasionally and lifting a heavy motor (my 9.8 Tohatsu is no > > > feather) could be problematic. Also, it's best if my wife is > comfortable > > > running all operations of the boat as well and lifting a motor that > > weighs > > > so much, even with the mechanical advantage, may not even be feasible > for > > > her. Since I did have concerns about redundancy, I replaced it with a > > new > > > ATV winch that had both a wired switch and two remotes. That project > is > > > summarized at > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > > > > > > > > I figured that if the motor was ever stuck in the up position and the > > > electric winch failed when I really needed to lower the motor, I could > > run > > > a line over the stern rail that attaches to the motor and to the port > > winch > > > like Mike mentioned. After getting that tensioned I could cut the belt > > > that runs from the winch and would be free to lower the motor gradually > > > with the spare line. Raising would be the same technique, only it > would > > > not require cutting of the belt. > > > > > > Since my motor will occasionally get slightly stuck on the way down, I > > give > > > the tracks an occasional spray of silicone lubricant and that helps. > > All I > > > need to do is give the motor a little nudge on the way down if it gets > > > stuck. It never seems to be an issue on the way up. > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM Gmorganflier > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > > > It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our manual > lift > > > > system. Please post some photos. > > > > > > > > I thought of something which may be causing my extra resistance and > > maybe > > > > on > > > > yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom or top > > stops, > > > > just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it side to > > side > > > > and > > > > there?s a lot of movement. There was even more when I bought the boat > > > > before > > > > i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the slop. > > > > > > > > With our system I wonder where the center of force is on the bottom > > tube. > > > > Maybe it?s not centered and it?s not pulling the motor up straight in > > the > > > > channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it?s cocking the engine at > an > > > > angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I?ll have to > > > > experiment with this. > > > > > > > > George Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 19:14:11 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 19:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation Message-ID: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat and roving . > Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen > > > > >> Inside looking out >> >> >> >>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more pics >>> and >>> then more story. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back at >>> the >>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>> hours, >>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward of >>>> the >>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel >>>> is >>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out >>>> of >>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>> few >>>> more pics and more later. >>>> >>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>>>> wispy >>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning hunt. >>>>> Dove >>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on the >>>>> way >>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. >>>>> On >>>>> the >>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when I >>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake speed >>>>> I >>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I >>>>> was >>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. I >>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went >>>>> to >>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>>>> check >>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina >>>>> and >>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>> vacuum >>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>> stop >>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. Notebook problems. >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154150.JPG >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 167852 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154351.JPG >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 157697 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 118123 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 4941147 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: >>>> >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 3318533 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 4019857 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3203417 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 19:14:21 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 19:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <56926.24.140.30.102.1599518725.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1595770984728-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <40313db9-aff4-7af3-92e7-819127320534@generalboats.com> <1595907004252-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1881679227.5809182.1595941736437@mail.yahoo.com> <1595944556582-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1595956132233-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56411.24.140.30.102.1599515633.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56438.24.140.30.102.1599516131.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56912.24.140.30.102.1599518355.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56926.24.140.30.102.1599518725.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <56981.24.140.30.102.1599520461.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat and roving . > Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen > > > > >> Inside looking out >> >> >> >>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more pics >>> and >>> then more story. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back at >>> the >>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>> hours, >>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward of >>>> the >>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel >>>> is >>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out >>>> of >>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>> few >>>> more pics and more later. >>>> >>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>>>> wispy >>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning hunt. >>>>> Dove >>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on the >>>>> way >>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. >>>>> On >>>>> the >>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when I >>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake speed >>>>> I >>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I >>>>> was >>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. I >>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went >>>>> to >>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>>>> check >>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina >>>>> and >>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>> vacuum >>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>> stop >>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Not butterflies just flies. So glad you didn?t have to totally test the flotation. Looking forward to more on the repair. Are you going to rename it Phoenix? Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 19:14, wrote: > After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 > layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat > and roving . > > > > > Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen > > > > > > > > > >> Inside looking out > >> > >> > >> > >>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more pics > >>> and > >>> then more story. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back at > >>> the > >>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three > >>>> hours, > >>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward of > >>>> the > >>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel > >>>> is > >>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out > >>>> of > >>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a > >>>> few > >>>> more pics and more later. > >>>> > >>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice > >>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the > >>>>> wispy > >>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning hunt. > >>>>> Dove > >>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on the > >>>>> way > >>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. > >>>>> On > >>>>> the > >>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when I > >>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake speed > >>>>> I > >>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I > >>>>> was > >>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. I > >>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went > >>>>> to > >>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better > >>>>> check > >>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. > >>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina > >>>>> and > >>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held > >>>>> vacuum > >>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to > >>>>> stop > >>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>> hours, >>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward >>>>> of >>>>> the >>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel >>>>> is >>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out >>>>> of >>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>>> few >>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>> >>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>>>>> wispy >>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>> hunt. >>>>>> Dove >>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>> the >>>>>> way >>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. >>>>>> On >>>>>> the >>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when >>>>>> I >>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>> speed >>>>>> I >>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I >>>>>> was >>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. I >>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went >>>>>> to >>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>>>>> check >>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina >>>>>> and >>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>> vacuum >>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>> stop >>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. Notebook >>>>>> problems. >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154150.JPG >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 167852 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154351.JPG >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 157697 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 118123 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 4941147 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 3318533 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: >>>> >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 4019857 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 3203417 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> > > > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 19:28:24 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 19:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <57033.24.140.30.102.1599521304.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I seam to have lost the ability to send the picture I want one more try >> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 >> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat >> and roving . >> >> >> >>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Inside looking out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>> pics >>>>> and >>>>> then more story. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back >>>>> at >>>>> the >>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>> hours, >>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel >>>>>> is >>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out >>>>>> of >>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>>>> few >>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> way >>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>> speed >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>>>>>> check >>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>>> stop >>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Name: FC5C51ED-B30E-4C68-937B-E941A3E3F238.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4205222 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 19:40:49 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 19:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation Message-ID: <57071.24.140.30.102.1599522049.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Hey, I?m back in control. After the glassing, I went to my local tire shop an ask him if I could buy some old wheel weights from him. He lead me out back and said will that be enough? Pointing at 10 five gallon buckets of the item in question. I still have a scab from the blister from cutting them up to add 20 more pounds to the keel > I seam to have lost the ability to send the picture I want one more try > > > > > > >>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 >>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat >>> and roving . >>> >>> >>> >>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Inside looking out >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>>> pics >>>>>> and >>>>>> then more story. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back >>>>>> at >>>>>> the >>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>>> hours, >>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the >>>>>>> keel >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally >>>>>>>> visit. >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. >>>>>>>> Went >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd >>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>> check >>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the >>>>>>>> marina >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. Notebook >>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154150.JPG >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>> Size: 167852 bytes >>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154351.JPG >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>> Size: 157697 bytes >>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>> Size: 118123 bytes >>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>> Size: 4941147 bytes >>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 3318533 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 4019857 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 3203417 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: FC5C51ED-B30E-4C68-937B-E941A3E3F238.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4205222 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 19:41:07 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 19:41:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57033.24.140.30.102.1599521304.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57033.24.140.30.102.1599521304.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <57072.24.140.30.102.1599522067.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Hey, I?m back in control. After the glassing, I went to my local tire shop an ask him if I could buy some old wheel weights from him. He lead me out back and said will that be enough? Pointing at 10 five gallon buckets of the item in question. I still have a scab from the blister from cutting them up to add 20 more pounds to the keel > I seam to have lost the ability to send the picture I want one more try > > > > > > >>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 >>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat >>> and roving . >>> >>> >>> >>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Inside looking out >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>>> pics >>>>>> and >>>>>> then more story. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back >>>>>> at >>>>>> the >>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>>> hours, >>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the >>>>>>> keel >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally >>>>>>>> visit. >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. >>>>>>>> Went >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd >>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>> check >>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the >>>>>>>> marina >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Name: E8844CBA-759B-4390-BC3B-D6A9A981613C.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4348895 bytes Desc: not available URL: From retro53 at msn.com Mon Sep 7 19:50:49 2020 From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 23:50:49 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57072.24.140.30.102.1599522067.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57033.24.140.30.102.1599521304.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>, <57072.24.140.30.102.1599522067.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Wow! Quite a story and good documentation of your repair. John K ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of cjlowe at sssnet.com Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 7:41 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation Hey, I?m back in control. After the glassing, I went to my local tire shop an ask him if I could buy some old wheel weights from him. He lead me out back and said will that be enough? Pointing at 10 five gallon buckets of the item in question. I still have a scab from the blister from cutting them up to add 20 more pounds to the keel > I seam to have lost the ability to send the picture I want one more try > > > > > > >>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 >>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat >>> and roving . >>> >>> >>> >>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Inside looking out >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>>> pics >>>>>> and >>>>>> then more story. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back >>>>>> at >>>>>> the >>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>>> hours, >>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the >>>>>>> keel >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally >>>>>>>> visit. >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. >>>>>>>> Went >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd >>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>> check >>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the >>>>>>>> marina >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. Notebook >>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154150.JPG >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>> Size: 167852 bytes >>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154351.JPG >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>> Size: 157697 bytes >>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>> Size: 118123 bytes >>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>> Size: 4941147 bytes >>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 3318533 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 4019857 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 3203417 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: FC5C51ED-B30E-4C68-937B-E941A3E3F238.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4205222 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: E8844CBA-759B-4390-BC3B-D6A9A981613C.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4348895 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 20:06:58 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 19:06:58 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: If you go for a seat belt as the webbing, you might want to stop by the local you-pull-it (salvage yard) and you can probably find a cheap selection there. On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 6:11 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Jesse, > Thanks for the lead. I?ll check it out. I am also following one for seat > belt suppliers but that might be a bit spendy. > Chris G > > On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 16:23, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Chris, thanks for your comment about the knob. Upon further inspection I > > can pull out a knob on my ATV winch and it will freewheel as you > mentioned > > - much better than cutting the webbing! > > > > Regarding replacement of the webbing, it appears to be a winch strap of > the > > same kind used on the manual winch used at the front of the trailer to > pull > > / keep the boat forward and these are widely available as a replacement > > part. I actually had to replace my winch strap at the front of my > trailer > > after the last road trip due to some chafing issues resulting from the > bow > > being slightly off center as a result of a downhill park and slide effort > > to move the boat forward. > > > > Good luck with your Red Rhodes! > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:08 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > On my motor there is a little knop you can pull out and it allows the > > winch > > > to "freewheel" so getting the motor down doesn't involve cutting the > > > webbing. Speaking of webbing, where can I get a replacement, it has > some > > > holes in it where it snagged a bolt which probably caused the pull > > > through. Oh and I will file your project write up in my Red Rhodes > file. > > > Thanks! > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > Enosis > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 1:22 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Since the remote on my motorized winch was starting to act up late > last > > > > summer, I had pondered whether to switch to a manual setup or replace > > the > > > > winch. Now that I hear of the loads mentioned in this thread, I'm > > glad I > > > > chose the path of replacing with a new electric winch. My back gives > > me > > > > problems occasionally and lifting a heavy motor (my 9.8 Tohatsu is no > > > > feather) could be problematic. Also, it's best if my wife is > > comfortable > > > > running all operations of the boat as well and lifting a motor that > > > weighs > > > > so much, even with the mechanical advantage, may not even be feasible > > for > > > > her. Since I did have concerns about redundancy, I replaced it with > a > > > new > > > > ATV winch that had both a wired switch and two remotes. That project > > is > > > > summarized at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > > > > > > > > > > > I figured that if the motor was ever stuck in the up position and the > > > > electric winch failed when I really needed to lower the motor, I > could > > > run > > > > a line over the stern rail that attaches to the motor and to the port > > > winch > > > > like Mike mentioned. After getting that tensioned I could cut the > belt > > > > that runs from the winch and would be free to lower the motor > gradually > > > > with the spare line. Raising would be the same technique, only it > > would > > > > not require cutting of the belt. > > > > > > > > Since my motor will occasionally get slightly stuck on the way down, > I > > > give > > > > the tracks an occasional spray of silicone lubricant and that helps. > > > All I > > > > need to do is give the motor a little nudge on the way down if it > gets > > > > stuck. It never seems to be an issue on the way up. > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM Gmorganflier > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > > > > > It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our manual > > lift > > > > > system. Please post some photos. > > > > > > > > > > I thought of something which may be causing my extra resistance and > > > maybe > > > > > on > > > > > yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom or top > > > stops, > > > > > just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it side to > > > side > > > > > and > > > > > there?s a lot of movement. There was even more when I bought the > boat > > > > > before > > > > > i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the slop. > > > > > > > > > > With our system I wonder where the center of force is on the bottom > > > tube. > > > > > Maybe it?s not centered and it?s not pulling the motor up straight > in > > > the > > > > > channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it?s cocking the engine > at > > an > > > > > angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I?ll have to > > > > > experiment with this. > > > > > > > > > > George Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 20:09:21 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and motored around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it back on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. All went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. >> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 >> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat >> and roving . >> >> >> >>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Inside looking out >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>> pics >>>>> and >>>>> then more story. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back >>>>> at >>>>> the >>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>> hours, >>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward >>>>>> of >>>>>> the >>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel >>>>>> is >>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out >>>>>> of >>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>>>> few >>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> way >>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>> speed >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>>>>>> check >>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>>> stop >>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Name: AA0334B7-D945-4657-A57C-8B9FF9FEC125.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4186238 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 20:16:23 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Two weeks and three days later, I?m back enjoying views like this > Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and motored > around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. > I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it back > on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. All > went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. > > > > > > > > >>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 >>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat >>> and roving . >>> >>> >>> >>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Inside looking out >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>>> pics >>>>>> and >>>>>> then more story. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back >>>>>> at >>>>>> the >>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>>> hours, >>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the >>>>>>> keel >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came >>>>>>> out >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>>>>> few >>>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally >>>>>>>> visit. >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do >>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. >>>>>>>> Went >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd >>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>> check >>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the >>>>>>>> marina >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Name: 279B5C36-E0C3-48AB-BC24-F476E760BCD0.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2613378 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 20:20:26 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> And this. > Two weeks and three days later, I?m back enjoying views like this > > > >> Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and >> motored >> around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. >> I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it >> back >> on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. All >> went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 >>>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of >>>> mat >>>> and roving . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Inside looking out >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>>>> pics >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then more story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>>>> hours, >>>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches >>>>>>>> forward >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the >>>>>>>> keel >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came >>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally >>>>>>>>> visit. >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do >>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no >>>>>>>>> luck. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. >>>>>>>>> Went >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd >>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>> check >>>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the >>>>>>>>> marina >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. Notebook >>>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154150.JPG >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>> Size: 167852 bytes >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154351.JPG >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>> Size: 157697 bytes >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>> Size: 118123 bytes >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>> Size: 4941147 bytes >>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>> Size: 3318533 bytes >>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 4019857 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 3203417 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: AA0334B7-D945-4657-A57C-8B9FF9FEC125.jpeg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 4186238 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 279B5C36-E0C3-48AB-BC24-F476E760BCD0.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2613378 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 03D0AAC5-B822-427A-A2AD-31A5EE88DFC9.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2765502 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 7 20:34:15 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> The parts, including the fiberglass, resin , sandpaper, multi- tool for sanding( harbor freight $40) rollers, spreaders, bilge pump, hose, hardener, totaled less than $500. One more pic an then The End. > And this. > > >> Two weeks and three days later, I?m back enjoying views like this >> >> >> >>> Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and >>> motored >>> around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. >>> I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it >>> back >>> on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. >>> All >>> went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put >>>>> 4 >>>>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of >>>>> mat >>>>> and roving . >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Inside looking out >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>>>>> pics >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> then more story. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me >>>>>>>> back >>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>>>>> hours, >>>>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches >>>>>>>>> forward >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the >>>>>>>>> keel >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came >>>>>>>>> out >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally >>>>>>>>>> visit. >>>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do >>>>>>>>>> when >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no >>>>>>>>>> luck. >>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. >>>>>>>>>> Went >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd >>>>>>>>>> better >>>>>>>>>> check >>>>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the >>>>>>>>>> marina >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. Notebook >>>>>>>>>> problems. >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154150.JPG >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>>> Size: 167852 bytes >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154351.JPG >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>>> Size: 157697 bytes >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>>> Size: 118123 bytes >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>> Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>>> Size: 4941147 bytes >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>> Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>>> Size: 3318533 bytes >>>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>> Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>>> Size: 4019857 bytes >>>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 3203417 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: AA0334B7-D945-4657-A57C-8B9FF9FEC125.jpeg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 4186238 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >>> >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: 279B5C36-E0C3-48AB-BC24-F476E760BCD0.jpeg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 2613378 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 03D0AAC5-B822-427A-A2AD-31A5EE88DFC9.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2765502 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: F996F3D2-CD88-48B1-997C-AA94D9F3A29B.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3038017 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 20:48:02 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:48:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: capital Idea. But I'll need the loop on one sewn in. Do seat belts have that loop I wonder. Chris G On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 8:07 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > If you go for a seat belt as the webbing, you might want to stop by the > local you-pull-it (salvage yard) and you can probably find a cheap > selection there. > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 6:11 PM Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > Hey Jesse, > > Thanks for the lead. I?ll check it out. I am also following one for seat > > belt suppliers but that might be a bit spendy. > > Chris G > > > > On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 16:23, Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Chris, thanks for your comment about the knob. Upon further > inspection I > > > can pull out a knob on my ATV winch and it will freewheel as you > > mentioned > > > - much better than cutting the webbing! > > > > > > Regarding replacement of the webbing, it appears to be a winch strap of > > the > > > same kind used on the manual winch used at the front of the trailer to > > pull > > > / keep the boat forward and these are widely available as a replacement > > > part. I actually had to replace my winch strap at the front of my > > trailer > > > after the last road trip due to some chafing issues resulting from the > > bow > > > being slightly off center as a result of a downhill park and slide > effort > > > to move the boat forward. > > > > > > Good luck with your Red Rhodes! > > > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:08 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > On my motor there is a little knop you can pull out and it allows the > > > winch > > > > to "freewheel" so getting the motor down doesn't involve cutting the > > > > webbing. Speaking of webbing, where can I get a replacement, it has > > some > > > > holes in it where it snagged a bolt which probably caused the pull > > > > through. Oh and I will file your project write up in my Red Rhodes > > file. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > > Enosis > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 1:22 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Since the remote on my motorized winch was starting to act up late > > last > > > > > summer, I had pondered whether to switch to a manual setup or > replace > > > the > > > > > winch. Now that I hear of the loads mentioned in this thread, I'm > > > glad I > > > > > chose the path of replacing with a new electric winch. My back > gives > > > me > > > > > problems occasionally and lifting a heavy motor (my 9.8 Tohatsu is > no > > > > > feather) could be problematic. Also, it's best if my wife is > > > comfortable > > > > > running all operations of the boat as well and lifting a motor that > > > > weighs > > > > > so much, even with the mechanical advantage, may not even be > feasible > > > for > > > > > her. Since I did have concerns about redundancy, I replaced it > with > > a > > > > new > > > > > ATV winch that had both a wired switch and two remotes. That > project > > > is > > > > > summarized at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I figured that if the motor was ever stuck in the up position and > the > > > > > electric winch failed when I really needed to lower the motor, I > > could > > > > run > > > > > a line over the stern rail that attaches to the motor and to the > port > > > > winch > > > > > like Mike mentioned. After getting that tensioned I could cut the > > belt > > > > > that runs from the winch and would be free to lower the motor > > gradually > > > > > with the spare line. Raising would be the same technique, only it > > > would > > > > > not require cutting of the belt. > > > > > > > > > > Since my motor will occasionally get slightly stuck on the way > down, > > I > > > > give > > > > > the tracks an occasional spray of silicone lubricant and that > helps. > > > > All I > > > > > need to do is give the motor a little nudge on the way down if it > > gets > > > > > stuck. It never seems to be an issue on the way up. > > > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM Gmorganflier < > gmorgan.flier at gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our manual > > > lift > > > > > > system. Please post some photos. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought of something which may be causing my extra resistance > and > > > > maybe > > > > > > on > > > > > > yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom or top > > > > stops, > > > > > > just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it side > to > > > > side > > > > > > and > > > > > > there?s a lot of movement. There was even more when I bought the > > boat > > > > > > before > > > > > > i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the slop. > > > > > > > > > > > > With our system I wonder where the center of force is on the > bottom > > > > tube. > > > > > > Maybe it?s not centered and it?s not pulling the motor up > straight > > in > > > > the > > > > > > channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it?s cocking the engine > > at > > > an > > > > > > angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I?ll have > to > > > > > > experiment with this. > > > > > > > > > > > > George Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 20:52:27 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:52:27 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Great story, can't wait for the movie! Chris G Enosis On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 8:34 PM wrote: > The parts, including the fiberglass, resin , sandpaper, multi- tool for > sanding( harbor freight $40) rollers, spreaders, bilge pump, hose, > hardener, totaled less than $500. > One more pic an then The End. > > > > > > And this. > > > > > >> Two weeks and three days later, I?m back enjoying views like this > >> > >> > >> > >>> Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and > >>> motored > >>> around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. > >>> I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it > >>> back > >>> on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. > >>> All > >>> went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put > >>>>> 4 > >>>>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of > >>>>> mat > >>>>> and roving . > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Inside looking out > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more > >>>>>>>> pics > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> then more story. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me > >>>>>>>> back > >>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three > >>>>>>>>> hours, > >>>>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches > >>>>>>>>> forward > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the > >>>>>>>>> keel > >>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came > >>>>>>>>> out > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so > >>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>> few > >>>>>>>>> more pics and more later. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice > >>>>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> wispy > >>>>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning > >>>>>>>>>> hunt. > >>>>>>>>>> Dove > >>>>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then > >>>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> way > >>>>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally > >>>>>>>>>> visit. > >>>>>>>>>> On > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do > >>>>>>>>>> when > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake > >>>>>>>>>> speed > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no > >>>>>>>>>> luck. > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. > >>>>>>>>>> Went > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd > >>>>>>>>>> better > >>>>>>>>>> check > >>>>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. > >>>>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the > >>>>>>>>>> marina > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held > >>>>>>>>>> vacuum > >>>>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> stop > >>>>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. Notebook > >>>>>>>>>> problems. > >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154150.JPG > >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>>> Size: 167852 bytes > >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment.jpe > > > >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154351.JPG > >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>>> Size: 157697 bytes > >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment-0001.jpe > > > >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG > >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>>> Size: 118123 bytes > >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment-0002.jpe > > > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>> Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg > >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>> Size: 4941147 bytes > >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/a52ae977/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>> Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg > >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>> Size: 3318533 bytes > >>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/25c51109/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>> Size: 4019857 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/a7aede16/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 3203417 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>> URL: > >>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/6243507a/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: AA0334B7-D945-4657-A57C-8B9FF9FEC125.jpeg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 4186238 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: > >>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/c68e8b66/attachment.jpeg > > > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: 279B5C36-E0C3-48AB-BC24-F476E760BCD0.jpeg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 2613378 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: > >> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/2a7a6c72/attachment.jpeg > > > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 03D0AAC5-B822-427A-A2AD-31A5EE88DFC9.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2765502 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/7e846220/attachment.jpeg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: F996F3D2-CD88-48B1-997C-AA94D9F3A29B.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3038017 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/cc3d7934/attachment.jpeg > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 21:01:07 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:01:07 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Impressive work, thanks for sharing! On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 7:34 PM wrote: > The parts, including the fiberglass, resin , sandpaper, multi- tool for > sanding( harbor freight $40) rollers, spreaders, bilge pump, hose, > hardener, totaled less than $500. > One more pic an then The End. > > > > > > And this. > > > > > >> Two weeks and three days later, I?m back enjoying views like this > >> > >> > >> > >>> Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and > >>> motored > >>> around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. > >>> I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it > >>> back > >>> on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. > >>> All > >>> went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put > >>>>> 4 > >>>>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of > >>>>> mat > >>>>> and roving . > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Inside looking out > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more > >>>>>>>> pics > >>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>> then more story. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me > >>>>>>>> back > >>>>>>>> at > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three > >>>>>>>>> hours, > >>>>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches > >>>>>>>>> forward > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the > >>>>>>>>> keel > >>>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came > >>>>>>>>> out > >>>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so > >>>>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>>> few > >>>>>>>>> more pics and more later. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice > >>>>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> wispy > >>>>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning > >>>>>>>>>> hunt. > >>>>>>>>>> Dove > >>>>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then > >>>>>>>>>> on > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> way > >>>>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally > >>>>>>>>>> visit. > >>>>>>>>>> On > >>>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do > >>>>>>>>>> when > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake > >>>>>>>>>> speed > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no > >>>>>>>>>> luck. > >>>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. > >>>>>>>>>> Went > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd > >>>>>>>>>> better > >>>>>>>>>> check > >>>>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. > >>>>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the > >>>>>>>>>> marina > >>>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held > >>>>>>>>>> vacuum > >>>>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going > >>>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>>> stop > >>>>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. Notebook > >>>>>>>>>> problems. > >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154150.JPG > >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>>> Size: 167852 bytes > >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment.jpe > > > >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154351.JPG > >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>>> Size: 157697 bytes > >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment-0001.jpe > > > >>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG > >>>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>>> Size: 118123 bytes > >>>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment-0002.jpe > > > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>>> Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg > >>>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>>> Size: 4941147 bytes > >>>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/a52ae977/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>>> Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg > >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>>> Size: 3318533 bytes > >>>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/25c51109/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>> Size: 4019857 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/a7aede16/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 3203417 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>> URL: > >>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/6243507a/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: AA0334B7-D945-4657-A57C-8B9FF9FEC125.jpeg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 4186238 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: > >>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/c68e8b66/attachment.jpeg > > > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: 279B5C36-E0C3-48AB-BC24-F476E760BCD0.jpeg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 2613378 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: > >> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/2a7a6c72/attachment.jpeg > > > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 03D0AAC5-B822-427A-A2AD-31A5EE88DFC9.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 2765502 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/7e846220/attachment.jpeg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: F996F3D2-CD88-48B1-997C-AA94D9F3A29B.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3038017 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/cc3d7934/attachment.jpeg > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 21:07:58 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 20:07:58 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hmm, I don't know about the seat belts, but I can confirm that the winch strap that I used as a replacement on my trailer had a loop sewn in. The one I got for my trailer was $20, with a working load of 3300 lbs... more than enough to handle the tension of a 100 lb motor. Given the flurry of activity on this list, I'm sure everyone would like to hear how your project turns out. Good luck! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 7:48 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > capital Idea. But I'll need the loop on one sewn in. Do seat belts have > that loop I wonder. > Chris G > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 8:07 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > If you go for a seat belt as the webbing, you might want to stop by the > > local you-pull-it (salvage yard) and you can probably find a cheap > > selection there. > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 6:11 PM Chris Geankoplis > > > wrote: > > > > > Hey Jesse, > > > Thanks for the lead. I?ll check it out. I am also following one for > seat > > > belt suppliers but that might be a bit spendy. > > > Chris G > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 16:23, Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Chris, thanks for your comment about the knob. Upon further > > inspection I > > > > can pull out a knob on my ATV winch and it will freewheel as you > > > mentioned > > > > - much better than cutting the webbing! > > > > > > > > Regarding replacement of the webbing, it appears to be a winch strap > of > > > the > > > > same kind used on the manual winch used at the front of the trailer > to > > > pull > > > > / keep the boat forward and these are widely available as a > replacement > > > > part. I actually had to replace my winch strap at the front of my > > > trailer > > > > after the last road trip due to some chafing issues resulting from > the > > > bow > > > > being slightly off center as a result of a downhill park and slide > > effort > > > > to move the boat forward. > > > > > > > > Good luck with your Red Rhodes! > > > > > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:08 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On my motor there is a little knop you can pull out and it allows > the > > > > winch > > > > > to "freewheel" so getting the motor down doesn't involve cutting > the > > > > > webbing. Speaking of webbing, where can I get a replacement, it > has > > > some > > > > > holes in it where it snagged a bolt which probably caused the pull > > > > > through. Oh and I will file your project write up in my Red Rhodes > > > file. > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > > > Enosis > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 1:22 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Since the remote on my motorized winch was starting to act up > late > > > last > > > > > > summer, I had pondered whether to switch to a manual setup or > > replace > > > > the > > > > > > winch. Now that I hear of the loads mentioned in this thread, > I'm > > > > glad I > > > > > > chose the path of replacing with a new electric winch. My back > > gives > > > > me > > > > > > problems occasionally and lifting a heavy motor (my 9.8 Tohatsu > is > > no > > > > > > feather) could be problematic. Also, it's best if my wife is > > > > comfortable > > > > > > running all operations of the boat as well and lifting a motor > that > > > > > weighs > > > > > > so much, even with the mechanical advantage, may not even be > > feasible > > > > for > > > > > > her. Since I did have concerns about redundancy, I replaced it > > with > > > a > > > > > new > > > > > > ATV winch that had both a wired switch and two remotes. That > > project > > > > is > > > > > > summarized at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I figured that if the motor was ever stuck in the up position and > > the > > > > > > electric winch failed when I really needed to lower the motor, I > > > could > > > > > run > > > > > > a line over the stern rail that attaches to the motor and to the > > port > > > > > winch > > > > > > like Mike mentioned. After getting that tensioned I could cut > the > > > belt > > > > > > that runs from the winch and would be free to lower the motor > > > gradually > > > > > > with the spare line. Raising would be the same technique, only > it > > > > would > > > > > > not require cutting of the belt. > > > > > > > > > > > > Since my motor will occasionally get slightly stuck on the way > > down, > > > I > > > > > give > > > > > > the tracks an occasional spray of silicone lubricant and that > > helps. > > > > > All I > > > > > > need to do is give the motor a little nudge on the way down if it > > > gets > > > > > > stuck. It never seems to be an issue on the way up. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM Gmorganflier < > > gmorgan.flier at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our > manual > > > > lift > > > > > > > system. Please post some photos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought of something which may be causing my extra resistance > > and > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom or > top > > > > > stops, > > > > > > > just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it > side > > to > > > > > side > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > there?s a lot of movement. There was even more when I bought > the > > > boat > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the slop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With our system I wonder where the center of force is on the > > bottom > > > > > tube. > > > > > > > Maybe it?s not centered and it?s not pulling the motor up > > straight > > > in > > > > > the > > > > > > > channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it?s cocking the > engine > > > at > > > > an > > > > > > > angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I?ll > have > > to > > > > > > > experiment with this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Sep 7 21:10:06 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 21:10:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I?ll keep you all posted On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 21:08, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Hmm, I don't know about the seat belts, but I can confirm that the winch > strap that I used as a replacement on my trailer had a loop sewn in. The > one I got for my trailer was $20, with a working load of 3300 lbs... more > than enough to handle the tension of a 100 lb motor. Given the flurry of > activity on this list, I'm sure everyone would like to hear how your > project turns out. Good luck! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 7:48 PM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > capital Idea. But I'll need the loop on one sewn in. Do seat belts have > > that loop I wonder. > > Chris G > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020 at 8:07 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > If you go for a seat belt as the webbing, you might want to stop by the > > > local you-pull-it (salvage yard) and you can probably find a cheap > > > selection there. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 6:11 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hey Jesse, > > > > Thanks for the lead. I?ll check it out. I am also following one for > > seat > > > > belt suppliers but that might be a bit spendy. > > > > Chris G > > > > > > > > On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 16:23, Jesse Shumaker < > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Chris, thanks for your comment about the knob. Upon further > > > inspection I > > > > > can pull out a knob on my ATV winch and it will freewheel as you > > > > mentioned > > > > > - much better than cutting the webbing! > > > > > > > > > > Regarding replacement of the webbing, it appears to be a winch > strap > > of > > > > the > > > > > same kind used on the manual winch used at the front of the trailer > > to > > > > pull > > > > > / keep the boat forward and these are widely available as a > > replacement > > > > > part. I actually had to replace my winch strap at the front of my > > > > trailer > > > > > after the last road trip due to some chafing issues resulting from > > the > > > > bow > > > > > being slightly off center as a result of a downhill park and slide > > > effort > > > > > to move the boat forward. > > > > > > > > > > Good luck with your Red Rhodes! > > > > > > > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 9:08 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On my motor there is a little knop you can pull out and it allows > > the > > > > > winch > > > > > > to "freewheel" so getting the motor down doesn't involve cutting > > the > > > > > > webbing. Speaking of webbing, where can I get a replacement, it > > has > > > > some > > > > > > holes in it where it snagged a bolt which probably caused the > pull > > > > > > through. Oh and I will file your project write up in my Red > Rhodes > > > > file. > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > > > > > Enosis > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 1:22 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since the remote on my motorized winch was starting to act up > > late > > > > last > > > > > > > summer, I had pondered whether to switch to a manual setup or > > > replace > > > > > the > > > > > > > winch. Now that I hear of the loads mentioned in this thread, > > I'm > > > > > glad I > > > > > > > chose the path of replacing with a new electric winch. My back > > > gives > > > > > me > > > > > > > problems occasionally and lifting a heavy motor (my 9.8 Tohatsu > > is > > > no > > > > > > > feather) could be problematic. Also, it's best if my wife is > > > > > comfortable > > > > > > > running all operations of the boat as well and lifting a motor > > that > > > > > > weighs > > > > > > > so much, even with the mechanical advantage, may not even be > > > feasible > > > > > for > > > > > > > her. Since I did have concerns about redundancy, I replaced it > > > with > > > > a > > > > > > new > > > > > > > ATV winch that had both a wired switch and two remotes. That > > > project > > > > > is > > > > > > > summarized at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I figured that if the motor was ever stuck in the up position > and > > > the > > > > > > > electric winch failed when I really needed to lower the motor, > I > > > > could > > > > > > run > > > > > > > a line over the stern rail that attaches to the motor and to > the > > > port > > > > > > winch > > > > > > > like Mike mentioned. After getting that tensioned I could cut > > the > > > > belt > > > > > > > that runs from the winch and would be free to lower the motor > > > > gradually > > > > > > > with the spare line. Raising would be the same technique, only > > it > > > > > would > > > > > > > not require cutting of the belt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since my motor will occasionally get slightly stuck on the way > > > down, > > > > I > > > > > > give > > > > > > > the tracks an occasional spray of silicone lubricant and that > > > helps. > > > > > > All I > > > > > > > need to do is give the motor a little nudge on the way down if > it > > > > gets > > > > > > > stuck. It never seems to be an issue on the way up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2020 at 4:54 AM Gmorganflier < > > > gmorgan.flier at gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It seems we have done a similar setup on converting to our > > manual > > > > > lift > > > > > > > > system. Please post some photos. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought of something which may be causing my extra > resistance > > > and > > > > > > maybe > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > yours also. When my motor is not against either the bottom or > > top > > > > > > stops, > > > > > > > > just somewhere in between, I can take my motor and swing it > > side > > > to > > > > > > side > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > there?s a lot of movement. There was even more when I bought > > the > > > > boat > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > i had someone add some shims to get rid of some of the slop. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With our system I wonder where the center of force is on the > > > bottom > > > > > > tube. > > > > > > > > Maybe it?s not centered and it?s not pulling the motor up > > > straight > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > channels. Maybe in my case as I start up, it?s cocking the > > engine > > > > at > > > > > an > > > > > > > > angle in the metal channels creating extra resistance? I?ll > > have > > > to > > > > > > > > experiment with this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George Morgan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Sep 7 21:49:07 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 21:49:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> George, I?m not sure if you?re saying that your think that the GBI manual lift did not have tilt, but after seeing the pictures, that?s the way it looks to me. It?s hard to be sure though. Again, maybe someone who knows could comment. Anyway, inspired by this thread, I?ve spent a couple of days messing around with my manual outboard lift system, and ended up in about the same place that I started. To go back to the beginning of converting the power outboard lift system to manual lower blocks get attached to the tube already bolted to the thing the outboard is attached to (the thing that slides) I attached upper blocks to the existing tubing that the winch strap goes over Not enough room - more space is needed between upper and lower blocks for outboard to fully raise and tilt I attached another section of stainless tubing to the forward most parts of the plastic supports for the lift system - just below the horizontal ?shelf? at the top I attached upper blocks to the new tubing, attached toward the outer edges to maximize distance from lower blocks Upper block loop clamps are held in place with bolts into threaded holes in tubing The original tubing is now in the way, and is removed After the lifting line is routed through the two lower and two upper double blocks, it goes through a single block just below the ?shelf?, and then a block at the railing I think I?ll be changing this final routing to just passing the line over the tubing to a cam cleat mounted below the ?shelf? So in all George, very similar to what you?ve rigged. I seem to be having technical difficulties, I?ll attempt to send pictures in a following email. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016} > On Sep 6, 2020, at 9:49 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Peter, > > I?ll be curious to see your update. The attached photo is the only one I > have of the GBI manual lift. I wish there was some way to lift vertically, > but still tilt at the top of travel. That?s an engineering problem with > possibly no solution. My Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot is not easy to tilt by hand and > I was trying to convert Stan?s invention to do it manually rather than with > an electric winch. > > I think Stan is right about some previous owner doing something To my boat > to throw the tracks out of alignment. I?ve got a lot of side to side play in > my mount and there is a heavy duty metal beam across the bottom of the > tracks which I?ve never seen on another R22. This is probably why my > electric winch causes the scary noises coming from the transom as the motor > gets toward the top. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Sep 7 22:04:53 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (mail.sunnybeeches.com) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 22:04:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <66f616df-026c-4fdc-95ad-402196493b19@Spark> Hopefully, some pictures... Oh, and I forgot to mention the testing. I moved the block I usually attach to the stern railing up onto the ?solar arch? tubing.??I extended the lifting line and attached a 5 gallon bucket to the end.??I gradually filled the 5 gallon bucket with water.??When the bucket was full, it still wasn?t heavy enough to lift the outboard.??A 5 gallon bucket full of water weights about 42 lbs.??Adding a finger-tip?s pressure to the bucket at this point was enough to start the outboard up the track.??Let?s call that 45 lbs.??The amount of force required increases slightly as the outboard rises, until it gets very close to the top.??Then, quite a bit more pull is needed to get the motor to lift and tilt into a fully up-raised position. Since my bucket was already full, I didn?t have any way to measure the pull required. 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Name: Motor Lift - Tube.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 165206 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Colealexander at hotmail.com Mon Sep 7 22:59:09 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 19:59:09 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <1599533949414-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Ouch Jerry I?m glad you got her sorted. What ugly luck, any idea what harpooned your COUNTRY RHODES? I?m guessing it would take something like a fence post to concentrate the force despite your slow speed. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Sep 8 00:27:53 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:27:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <1599533949414-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1599533949414-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <003c01d68598$6c9bc780$45d35680$@ca> So much damage after a slow bump is rather alarming. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of S/V Lark Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 10:59 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation Ouch Jerry I?m glad you got her sorted. What ugly luck, any idea what harpooned your COUNTRY RHODES? I?m guessing it would take something like a fence post to concentrate the force despite your slow speed. Alex ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From cjlowe at sssnet.com Tue Sep 8 00:57:16 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 00:57:16 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <1599533949414-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1599533949414-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <60736.24.140.30.102.1599541036.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Alex, I think it might have been the trunk of the old buzzard tree. There was a dead tree that the buzzards came to in the evening. Last time we were at the lake, my wife pointed out the buzzards were landing on a dead tree on the other side of the lake. I looked for the old tree and I couldn't see it , but it was about where my boat got hung up. I didn't help the situation by rocking the boat back and forth. Ouch Jerry > > I???m glad you got her sorted. What ugly luck, any idea what harpooned > your > COUNTRY RHODES? I???m guessing it would take something like a fence > post to > concentrate the force despite your slow speed. > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Tue Sep 8 01:06:15 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 01:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <003c01d68598$6c9bc780$45d35680$@ca> References: <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1599533949414-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <003c01d68598$6c9bc780$45d35680$@ca> Message-ID: <60747.24.140.30.102.1599541575.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I might have been ok if I wouldn't have rocked it back and forth. I think I did a lot of damage rocking the boat. If I only listened to that song!!! Jerry So much damage after a slow bump is rather alarming. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of S/V Lark > Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 10:59 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation > > Ouch Jerry > > I???m glad you got her sorted. What ugly luck, any idea what harpooned > your > COUNTRY RHODES? I???m guessing it would take something like a fence > post to > concentrate the force despite your slow speed. > > Alex > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 06:41:17 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 06:41:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Jerry, So what was in there for ballast originally? I hope it wasn't sand and gravel as it appears in one of the pics. Todd T. tavares0947 at gmail.com On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 8:09 PM wrote: > Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and motored > around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. > I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it back > on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. All > went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. > > > > > > > > > >> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 > >> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat > >> and roving . > >> > >> > >> > >>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Inside looking out > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more > >>>>> pics > >>>>> and > >>>>> then more story. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back > >>>>> at > >>>>> the > >>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three > >>>>>> hours, > >>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a > >>>>>> few > >>>>>> more pics and more later. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice > >>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the > >>>>>>> wispy > >>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning > >>>>>>> hunt. > >>>>>>> Dove > >>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way > >>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. > >>>>>>> On > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake > >>>>>>> speed > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I > >>>>>>> was > >>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better > >>>>>>> check > >>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. > >>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held > >>>>>>> vacuum > >>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to > >>>>>>> stop > >>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. Notebook > >>>>>>> problems. > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154150.JPG > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>> Size: 167852 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment.jpe > > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154351.JPG > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>> Size: 157697 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment-0001.jpe > > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>> Size: 118123 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment-0002.jpe > > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 4941147 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>> URL: > >>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/a52ae977/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>>> > >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>> Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg > >>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>> Size: 3318533 bytes > >>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>> URL: > >>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/25c51109/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>> > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>> Size: 4019857 bytes > >>>> Desc: not available > >>>> URL: > >>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/a7aede16/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 3203417 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: > >>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/6243507a/attachment.jpeg > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: AA0334B7-D945-4657-A57C-8B9FF9FEC125.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4186238 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/c68e8b66/attachment.jpeg > > > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 08:07:51 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 05:07:51 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> References: <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1599566871767-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, You?re correct...I don?t think the GBI manual lift can tilt the motor. It?s interesting to see the different solutions people come up with to accomplish the same thing. We do have similar rigs. One difference was I used smaller blocks which allowed me to have the top and bottom ones side by side. With my motor raised all the way, the top and bottom ones are very close to touching each other but it all seems to work. I?m happy with it. The 45 pound pull is not that difficult and even the increase in effort when I reach the top and the motor starts to tilt is no big deal. I?ll attach a photo of former Rhodie Jay Curry?s conversion which is where I got the idea. He said he used the existing tubing to attach his blocks. His bottom tube doesn?t attach to the mount the way ours do. He basically has a vertical pull. I don?t see how his electric lift tilted the motor if that?s the case? George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005/2010 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Sep 8 08:47:13 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 12:47:13 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <615c0584-d95e-41a9-ba3e-2b283d7aef0d@Spark> References: <1599311659651-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599355092865-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599386053834-0.post@n5.nabble.com> , <615c0584-d95e-41a9-ba3e-2b283d7aef0d@Spark> Message-ID: Peter, I'm noticing the tractor. Nice. - rob From retro53 at msn.com Tue Sep 8 09:32:50 2020 From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 13:32:50 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>, Message-ID: When I stripped down my 1980 to refurbish the interior, I found a large mass of what seemed to be cement just behind the flotation in the bow. Some of it seemed to be covered with a fiberglass membrane, but some of it had become wet and was crumbling away. I was installing an automatic bilge pump a bit astern of it, so I just cleaned up the loose stuff so it wouldn't clog the pump. I didn't take any pictures. John K 1980 R-22 Deci-Belle ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd Tavares Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:41 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation Jerry, So what was in there for ballast originally? I hope it wasn't sand and gravel as it appears in one of the pics. Todd T. tavares0947 at gmail.com On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 8:09 PM wrote: > Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and motored > around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. > I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it back > on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. All > went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. > > > > > > > > > >> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 > >> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat > >> and roving . > >> > >> > >> > >>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Inside looking out > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more > >>>>> pics > >>>>> and > >>>>> then more story. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back > >>>>> at > >>>>> the > >>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three > >>>>>> hours, > >>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> the > >>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel > >>>>>> is > >>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a > >>>>>> few > >>>>>> more pics and more later. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice > >>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the > >>>>>>> wispy > >>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning > >>>>>>> hunt. > >>>>>>> Dove > >>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way > >>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. > >>>>>>> On > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake > >>>>>>> speed > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I > >>>>>>> was > >>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better > >>>>>>> check > >>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. > >>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held > >>>>>>> vacuum > >>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to > >>>>>>> stop > >>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. Notebook > >>>>>>> problems. > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154150.JPG > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>> Size: 167852 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment.jpe > > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200810_154351.JPG > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>> Size: 157697 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment-0001.jpe > > > >>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>>> Name: WIN_20200906_102333.JPG > >>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>>> Size: 118123 bytes > >>>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>>> URL: > >>>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/b45c611f/attachment-0002.jpe > > > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: 09D8FBE9-E630-4C57-AC33-798239D358D5.jpeg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 4941147 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>> URL: > >>>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/a52ae977/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>>> > >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>> Name: 91827346-65F2-49B4-B574-4BAD37970BD9.jpeg > >>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>> Size: 3318533 bytes > >>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>> URL: > >>>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/25c51109/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>>> > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> Name: C99D2B9C-28EA-458D-9CBB-486D5289E93E.jpeg > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>> Size: 4019857 bytes > >>>> Desc: not available > >>>> URL: > >>>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/a7aede16/attachment.jpeg > > > >>>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: 8EE36108-4E2B-46ED-996A-A0676F3CAB7D.jpeg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 3203417 bytes > >>> Desc: not available > >>> URL: > >>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/6243507a/attachment.jpeg > > > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: AA0334B7-D945-4657-A57C-8B9FF9FEC125.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4186238 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200907/c68e8b66/attachment.jpeg > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Sep 8 09:39:14 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 13:39:14 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com>, <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Given Stan?s proclivity for constant improvement, I don?t know if my GBI manual motor mount is ?typical? or not. Having said that, I can tell you my motor mount does not automatically tilt the motor at the top of its travel. I have an extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard. Unless I am hard on the wind on starboard tack, I do not have to tilt the motor up. Even with the port rail in the water, the 1st detent on the motor?s tilt mechanism is sufficient to keep the lower unit out of the water. Tilting the motor up to the 1st detent is pretty easy and you only need to do it on one point of sail if its blowing hard enough to bury the port rub rail. Are you certain it?s worth all this effort to make the motor mount do this automatically? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Peter Nyberg Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:50 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System George, I?m not sure if you?re saying that your think that the GBI manual lift did not have tilt, but after seeing the pictures, that?s the way it looks to me. It?s hard to be sure though. Again, maybe someone who knows could comment. Anyway, inspired by this thread, I?ve spent a couple of days messing around with my manual outboard lift system, and ended up in about the same place that I started. To go back to the beginning of converting the power outboard lift system to manual lower blocks get attached to the tube already bolted to the thing the outboard is attached to (the thing that slides) I attached upper blocks to the existing tubing that the winch strap goes over Not enough room - more space is needed between upper and lower blocks for outboard to fully raise and tilt I attached another section of stainless tubing to the forward most parts of the plastic supports for the lift system - just below the horizontal ?shelf? at the top I attached upper blocks to the new tubing, attached toward the outer edges to maximize distance from lower blocks Upper block loop clamps are held in place with bolts into threaded holes in tubing The original tubing is now in the way, and is removed After the lifting line is routed through the two lower and two upper double blocks, it goes through a single block just below the ?shelf?, and then a block at the railing I think I?ll be changing this final routing to just passing the line over the tubing to a cam cleat mounted below the ?shelf? So in all George, very similar to what you?ve rigged. I seem to be having technical difficulties, I?ll attempt to send pictures in a following email. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016} > On Sep 6, 2020, at 9:49 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Peter, > > I?ll be curious to see your update. The attached photo is the only one I > have of the GBI manual lift. I wish there was some way to lift vertically, > but still tilt at the top of travel. That?s an engineering problem with > possibly no solution. My Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot is not easy to tilt by hand and > I was trying to convert Stan?s invention to do it manually rather than with > an electric winch. > > I think Stan is right about some previous owner doing something To my boat > to throw the tracks out of alignment. I?ve got a lot of side to side play in > my mount and there is a heavy duty metal beam across the bottom of the > tracks which I?ve never seen on another R22. This is probably why my > electric winch causes the scary noises coming from the transom as the motor > gets toward the top. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From stan at generalboats.com Tue Sep 8 10:06:21 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:06:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <83c61856-254d-52a3-1f41-0125c43250b5@generalboats.com> thanks Roger, Peter please note, We did *not* build the manual motor mount to tilt for the vector change reasons Roger covered earlier.? The effort needed to raise up to 9.9? 4 strokes OBs was and is, very reasonable. To maintain our "proclivity for constant improvement" we did also build a tall manual version where tilting a standard 20" long shaft is not necessary. On 9/8/20 9:39 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Given Stan?s proclivity for constant improvement, I don?t know if my GBI manual motor mount is ?typical? or not. Having said that, I can tell you my motor mount does not automatically tilt the motor at the top of its travel. I have an extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard. Unless I am hard on the wind on starboard tack, I do not have to tilt the motor up. Even with the port rail in the water, the 1st detent on the motor?s tilt mechanism is sufficient to keep the lower unit out of the water. Tilting the motor up to the 1st detent is pretty easy and you only need to do it on one point of sail if its blowing hard enough to bury the port rub rail. Are you certain it?s worth all this effort to make the motor mount do this automatically? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Peter Nyberg > Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:50 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System > > George, > > I?m not sure if you?re saying that your think that the GBI manual lift did not have tilt, but after seeing the pictures, that?s the way it looks to me. It?s hard to be sure though. Again, maybe someone who knows could comment. > > From cjlowe at sssnet.com Tue Sep 8 10:06:54 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 10:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: References: <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <61658.24.140.30.102.1599574014.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Todd, What you see is pretty much what I reused. To be fair, forward and aft of the repair area is solid, I'd guess epoxy sand lead mix. The lead looked to be scrap from battery manufacturing.1/16" thick, 3/4" wide and anywhere from 1/4 to 6" long. My bilge has always been a little damp, entering above the waterline. At one time it might have all been solid, but NY and Ohio winter freeze and thaw cycles broke it up, would be my guess. The four inch PVC pipe was there, but four years ago I dug out all the loose ballast and put that 1.5" PVC pipe in to be able to use a turkey baster to remove excess moisture. Jerry Jerry, > > So what was in there for ballast originally? > I hope it wasn't sand and gravel as it appears in one of the pics. > > Todd T. > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 8:09 PM wrote: > >> Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and >> motored >> around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. >> I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn???t bother putting it >> back >> on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. All >> went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put >> 4 >> >> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of >> mat >> >> and roving . >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven???t seen >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> Inside looking out >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >> >>>>> pics >> >>>>> and >> >>>>> then more story. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me >> back >> >>>>> at >> >>>>> the >> >>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >> >>>>>> hours, >> >>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches >> forward >> >>>>>> of >> >>>>>> the >> >>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the >> keel >> >>>>>> is >> >>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came >> out >> >>>>>> of >> >>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so >> a >> >>>>>> few >> >>>>>> more pics and more later. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ???86 >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >> >>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of >> the >> >>>>>>> wispy >> >>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >> >>>>>>> hunt. >> >>>>>>> Dove >> >>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then >> on >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> way >> >>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally >> visit. >> >>>>>>> On >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do >> when >> >>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >> >>>>>>> speed >> >>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up >> and I >> >>>>>>> was >> >>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no >> luck. >> >>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. >> Went >> >>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd >> better >> >>>>>>> check >> >>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >> >>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the >> marina >> >>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >> >>>>>>> vacuum >> >>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going >> to >> >>>>>>> stop >> >>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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I did not know there was more than one version of the manual motor mount. The side rails on my motor mount are 28-3/4? long. From that, can you tell if I have the standard or tall manual version? I suspect I have the tall manual version as there isn?t much more vertical real estate left on the transom after installing the motor mount. It took some careful measurement and installation to make that thing fit properly on the transom. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: stan Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:06 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System thanks Roger, Peter please note, We did *not* build the manual motor mount to tilt for the vector change reasons Roger covered earlier. The effort needed to raise up to 9.9 4 strokes OBs was and is, very reasonable. To maintain our "proclivity for constant improvement" we did also build a tall manual version where tilting a standard 20" long shaft is not necessary. On 9/8/20 9:39 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Given Stan?s proclivity for constant improvement, I don?t know if my GBI manual motor mount is ?typical? or not. Having said that, I can tell you my motor mount does not automatically tilt the motor at the top of its travel. I have an extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard. Unless I am hard on the wind on starboard tack, I do not have to tilt the motor up. Even with the port rail in the water, the 1st detent on the motor?s tilt mechanism is sufficient to keep the lower unit out of the water. Tilting the motor up to the 1st detent is pretty easy and you only need to do it on one point of sail if its blowing hard enough to bury the port rub rail. Are you certain it?s worth all this effort to make the motor mount do this automatically? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Peter Nyberg > Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:50 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System > > George, > > I?m not sure if you?re saying that your think that the GBI manual lift did not have tilt, but after seeing the pictures, that?s the way it looks to me. It?s hard to be sure though. Again, maybe someone who knows could comment. > > From alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 15:00:09 2020 From: alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com (Alexis Seigneurin) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 19:00:09 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> , <83c61856-254d-52a3-1f41-0125c43250b5@generalboats.com>, Message-ID: Same observation here: with the ? standard ? GBI mount, my long-shaft Tohatsu outboard is well out of the water. To me, titling the motor could actually create an issue: if titled, rain water could get underneath the top cover of the engine through the rear vent that would then be exposed. Unless I had a fabric cover to keep the rain out of the engine, I wouldn?t tilt the outboard. Alexis ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:24:48 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System Hi Stan, That?s very interesting. I did not know there was more than one version of the manual motor mount. The side rails on my motor mount are 28-3/4? long. From that, can you tell if I have the standard or tall manual version? I suspect I have the tall manual version as there isn?t much more vertical real estate left on the transom after installing the motor mount. It took some careful measurement and installation to make that thing fit properly on the transom. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: stan Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:06 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System thanks Roger, Peter please note, We did *not* build the manual motor mount to tilt for the vector change reasons Roger covered earlier. The effort needed to raise up to 9.9 4 strokes OBs was and is, very reasonable. To maintain our "proclivity for constant improvement" we did also build a tall manual version where tilting a standard 20" long shaft is not necessary. On 9/8/20 9:39 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Given Stan?s proclivity for constant improvement, I don?t know if my GBI manual motor mount is ?typical? or not. Having said that, I can tell you my motor mount does not automatically tilt the motor at the top of its travel. I have an extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard. Unless I am hard on the wind on starboard tack, I do not have to tilt the motor up. Even with the port rail in the water, the 1st detent on the motor?s tilt mechanism is sufficient to keep the lower unit out of the water. Tilting the motor up to the 1st detent is pretty easy and you only need to do it on one point of sail if its blowing hard enough to bury the port rub rail. Are you certain it?s worth all this effort to make the motor mount do this automatically? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Peter Nyberg > Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:50 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System > > George, > > I?m not sure if you?re saying that your think that the GBI manual lift did not have tilt, but after seeing the pictures, that?s the way it looks to me. It?s hard to be sure though. Again, maybe someone who knows could comment. > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 15:48:07 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 15:48:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues Message-ID: So I am re-installing the track for the lift and have had the opportunity to really focus on the system. My main focus was the hole and crack in the transom but now....... So anyway the mount seems to be off kilter, not bent but just off. If you look at the following pictures you can see that the sliding mount is not parallel with the transom. The difference is around 3/4" at the bottom and when raised, 5/8. As a result the guide wheel is canted so just the right edge is pressed on the transom. That must act like a pizza cutter on the thin layup on the transom. There is an arch to the transom so the outboard track base should stand off the transom more than the inboard track base. The outboard base is 4 1/2" and the inboard track base is 3 3/8". Could it be that the outboard track is a tad too broad? Does anyone out there have the same measurements as I do? Is your lift canted like mine? Any ideas are welcome! From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Sep 8 16:16:45 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 20:16:45 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, I didn't see any photos?? - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Chris Geankoplis Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:48 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues So I am re-installing the track for the lift and have had the opportunity to really focus on the system. My main focus was the hole and crack in the transom but now....... So anyway the mount seems to be off kilter, not bent but just off. If you look at the following pictures you can see that the sliding mount is not parallel with the transom. The difference is around 3/4" at the bottom and when raised, 5/8. As a result the guide wheel is canted so just the right edge is pressed on the transom. That must act like a pizza cutter on the thin layup on the transom. There is an arch to the transom so the outboard track base should stand off the transom more than the inboard track base. The outboard base is 4 1/2" and the inboard track base is 3 3/8". Could it be that the outboard track is a tad too broad? Does anyone out there have the same measurements as I do? Is your lift canted like mine? Any ideas are welcome! From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 17:24:07 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 14:24:07 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <83c61856-254d-52a3-1f41-0125c43250b5@generalboats.com> References: <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> <83c61856-254d-52a3-1f41-0125c43250b5@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <1599600247707-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Hi Stan, I?ve got a Mercury 9.9 Bigfoot with a 25? shaft. I?m not sure even your taller manual unit would get it up high enough, though I had no desire to do what would be involved in switching out the GBI electric lift to the GBI manual unit on the boat. ? My motor is somewhat difficult to tilt and untilt using the motor tilt mechanism, hence my effort to have my conversion of your electric lift system do the tilting for me. I probably would not have attempted this mod if a previous owner had not done something to the tracks to cause the winch motor to put a tremendous strain on the transom with it got to the top of its travel and started to tilt the motor. I actually had a friend observe the transom from the laz as I raised the motor and he said it was definitely flexing the transom. I love my Rhodes and I just didn?t want to damage her. My conversion actually works pretty well and I?m happy to not hear the awful noises coming from my transom. It takes a little more pull than I expected, but that?s what happens when a non engineer designs something. George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005/2010 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 17:54:47 2020 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 14:54:47 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: References: <1599339047490-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1599340948274-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> <83c61856-254d-52a3-1f41-0125c43250b5@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Hi Per Peter's query, the manual motor lift 6:1 does not support tilting. You have to do it by hand if you think it necessary. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 12:00 PM Alexis Seigneurin wrote: > Same observation here: with the ? standard ? GBI mount, my long-shaft > Tohatsu outboard is well out of the water. > > To me, titling the motor could actually create an issue: if titled, rain > water could get underneath the top cover of the engine through the rear > vent that would then be exposed. Unless I had a fabric cover to keep the > rain out of the engine, I wouldn?t tilt the outboard. > > Alexis > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:24:48 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a > Manual System > > Hi Stan, > > That?s very interesting. I did not know there was more than one version > of the manual motor mount. The side rails on my motor mount are 28-3/4? > long. From that, can you tell if I have the standard or tall manual > version? I suspect I have the tall manual version as there isn?t much more > vertical real estate left on the transom after installing the motor mount. > It took some careful measurement and installation to make that thing fit > properly on the transom. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: stan > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 10:06 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a > Manual System > > > thanks Roger, Peter please note, > > We did *not* build the manual motor mount to tilt for the vector change > reasons Roger covered earlier. The effort needed to raise up to 9.9 4 > strokes OBs was and is, very reasonable. > > To maintain our "proclivity for constant improvement" we did also build > a tall manual version where tilting a standard 20" long shaft is not > necessary. > > On 9/8/20 9:39 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Given Stan?s proclivity for constant improvement, I don?t know if my GBI > manual motor mount is ?typical? or not. Having said that, I can tell you > my motor mount does not automatically tilt the motor at the top of its > travel. I have an extra long shaft Honda 8 hp outboard. Unless I am hard > on the wind on starboard tack, I do not have to tilt the motor up. Even > with the port rail in the water, the 1st detent on the motor?s tilt > mechanism is sufficient to keep the lower unit out of the water. Tilting > the motor up to the 1st detent is pretty easy and you only need to do it on > one point of sail if its blowing hard enough to bury the port rub rail. > Are you certain it?s worth all this effort to make the motor mount do this > automatically? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > From: Peter Nyberg > > Sent: Monday, September 7, 2020 9:50 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a > Manual System > > > > George, > > > > I?m not sure if you?re saying that your think that the GBI manual lift > did not have tilt, but after seeing the pictures, that?s the way it looks > to me. It?s hard to be sure though. Again, maybe someone who knows could > comment. > > > > > > From tvpolise at aol.com Tue Sep 8 18:10:08 2020 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 18:10:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A85975B-F9E4-40F3-80FD-19786AF7FBEF@aol.com> I also found a mass of concrete which I chopped about 3? out to make cabin floor even -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 138191 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- > On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, John Keyser wrote: > > ?When I stripped down my 1980 to refurbish the interior, I found a large mass of what seemed to be cement just behind the flotation in the bow. Some of it seemed to be covered with a fiberglass membrane, but some of it had become wet and was crumbling away. I was installing an automatic bilge pump a bit astern of it, so I just cleaned up the loose stuff so it wouldn't clog the pump. I didn't take any pictures. > > John K > 1980 R-22 > Deci-Belle > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd Tavares > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:41 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation > > Jerry, > > So what was in there for ballast originally? > I hope it wasn't sand and gravel as it appears in one of the pics. > > Todd T. > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 8:09 PM wrote: >> >> Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and motored >> around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. >> I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it back >> on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. All >> went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 >>>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat >>>> and roving . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Inside looking out >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>>>> pics >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then more story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>>>> hours, >>>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>>>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>>>>>>>> check >>>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Mine was just dumped in a pile. ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:10 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation I also found a mass of concrete which I chopped about 3? out to make cabin floor even -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 138191 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- > On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, John Keyser wrote: > > ?When I stripped down my 1980 to refurbish the interior, I found a large mass of what seemed to be cement just behind the flotation in the bow. Some of it seemed to be covered with a fiberglass membrane, but some of it had become wet and was crumbling away. I was installing an automatic bilge pump a bit astern of it, so I just cleaned up the loose stuff so it wouldn't clog the pump. I didn't take any pictures. > > John K > 1980 R-22 > Deci-Belle > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd Tavares > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:41 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation > > Jerry, > > So what was in there for ballast originally? > I hope it wasn't sand and gravel as it appears in one of the pics. > > Todd T. > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 8:09 PM wrote: >> >> Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and motored >> around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. >> I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it back >> on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. All >> went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 >>>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat >>>> and roving . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Inside looking out >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>>>> pics >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then more story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>>>> hours, >>>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>>>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>>>>>>>> check >>>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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It doesn't appear to be the same as the one that dropped a motor. It only raises in one plane. I hadn't realized Stan tinkered with so many versions. I wanted something I could fix in the dark with a flashlight so I asked him not to upgrade it during the factory refit. The boat is in the drive until Friday. If there are any measurements you need I can get them tonight or tomorrow (working from home part of the day but hoping to dinghy sail during the least calm part of the afternoon). BTW I built your style cargo bars yesterday. I'm not sure if the cockpit speakers were a factory option or well done owner upgrade, but they prevented a longer track to retain the bar. I was happier not drilling holes in the sole, knowing I might be lazy rebedding if I didn't actually see the leak. Stan, if you are lurking, after my attempt at routing out a grove and notch in starboard I really appreciated the quality of your shop's work. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 20:51:09 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 20:51:09 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There was an attachment, a word document. I'll put it in Google Docs and see if that works. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JAQpNXeHQ4s6xV64NscJb34sL_juiuyz/view?usp=sharing Hope that works. Chris G Enosis On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 4:16 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Chris, > I didn't see any photos?? - rob > > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 3:48 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues > > So I am re-installing the track for the lift and have had the opportunity > to really focus on the system. My main focus was the hole and crack in the > transom but now....... So anyway the mount seems to be off kilter, not > bent but just off. If you look at the following pictures you can see that > the sliding mount is not parallel with the transom. The difference is > around 3/4" at the bottom and when raised, 5/8. As a result the guide > wheel is canted so just the right edge is pressed on the transom. That > must act like a pizza cutter on the thin layup on the transom. There is > an arch to the transom so the outboard track base should stand off the > transom more than the inboard track base. The outboard base is 4 1/2" and > the inboard track base is 3 3/8". Could it be that the outboard track is a > tad too broad? Does anyone out there have the same measurements as I do? > Is your lift canted like mine? Any ideas are welcome! > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 20:55:46 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 20:55:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues In-Reply-To: <1599608681630-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599608681630-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks Alex. If you can get the measurements on the two rails tomorrow that would be great. I would enjoying seeing the cargo bars as well if you wish to share. When was the boat refurbished? Mine was in 2015 and had speakers right where the sockets would normally go. Chris G Enosis On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 7:44 PM S/V Lark wrote: > Chris > > I have the old fashioned block and tackle system, mark 2? It doesn't > appear to be the same as the one that dropped a motor. It only raises in > one plane. I hadn't realized Stan tinkered with so many versions. I > wanted something I could fix in the dark with a flashlight so I asked him > not to upgrade it during the factory refit. The boat is in the drive > until > Friday. If there are any measurements you need I can get them tonight or > tomorrow (working from home part of the day but hoping to dinghy sail > during > the least calm part of the afternoon). > > BTW I built your style cargo bars yesterday. I'm not sure if the cockpit > speakers were a factory option or well done owner upgrade, but they > prevented a longer track to retain the bar. I was happier not drilling > holes in the sole, knowing I might be lazy rebedding if I didn't actually > see the leak. > > Stan, if you are lurking, after my attempt at routing out a grove and notch > in starboard I really appreciated the quality of your shop's work. > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Sep 8 21:24:39 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 21:24:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, I believe what you are seeing is Stan?s design. The transom is curved. The motor mount needs to be offset so that it is perpendicular to the centerline of the boat, rather than parallel to the adjacent section of transom. That means that the outboard track will be set back further off the transom than the inboard track. I never really noticed, but if the wheel is perpendicular to the mount (which seems likely), and thereby parallel with the centerline of the boat, it will not hit the transom at a 90 degree angle. I think this is the way it is intended to be. What seems to be missing on your boat that is present on my boat is a place for the wheel to ride. I?ve got a vertical strip of plastic (probably Starboard) for the wheel to ride on. It runs from about the waterline to the rub-rail. From memory, it?s about 2? wide and 1/2? thick. This helps distribute the load. There?s also reinforcement on the inside. I can take pictures tomorrow if you would like. On a different topic entirely, only certain file types are accepted as attachments by the mail-list software. Word documents apparently don?t make the cut. Most image filetypes do, as well as PDF?s, if that option is available to you. ?Peter > On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > So I am re-installing the track for the lift and have had the opportunity > to really focus on the system. My main focus was the hole and crack in the > transom but now....... So anyway the mount seems to be off kilter, not > bent but just off. If you look at the following pictures you can see that > the sliding mount is not parallel with the transom. The difference is > around 3/4" at the bottom and when raised, 5/8. As a result the guide > wheel is canted so just the right edge is pressed on the transom. That > must act like a pizza cutter on the thin layup on the transom. There is > an arch to the transom so the outboard track base should stand off the > transom more than the inboard track base. The outboard base is 4 1/2" and > the inboard track base is 3 3/8". Could it be that the outboard track is a > tad too broad? Does anyone out there have the same measurements as I do? > Is your lift canted like mine? Any ideas are welcome! From mark at whipplefamily.com Tue Sep 8 21:42:55 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 21:42:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation Message-ID: Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears that someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You might ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it before I bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem when you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it when I originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone) because mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually above the waterline, but read on. The rest of the story: Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in Manhattan, and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week and we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned her. A good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail "thrilling" moments. Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5 kts under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over about 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under power. There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us). We would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I attributed that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more water in the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time. While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main when I wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's hard to roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the problem until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I have for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke in half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going to try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure it's pretty taught. When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above the cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was still struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring pennants secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I suspect a flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to keep clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that while we were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most of the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my wife on Cape Cod (I know, such problems). My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg or more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water in through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't the person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would end up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a little more urgent. Mark -- Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: luna mia bilge pump connection.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 88738 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Sep 8 22:14:03 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 22:14:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an adventure. Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal. It?s probably the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner have not also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat. As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless on a Rhodes 22. In a situation where your boat starts taking on water while it is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day. Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with with a sponge, or you?ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery, and then the boat sinks anyway. As to the halyard, I?ve been bitten by this myself. In my case it was to starboard as well. Maybe moving it to port would be better. What I did was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a deck mounted block out towards the hand rail. Since that repositioning, I?ve never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple wrote: > > Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears that > someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You might > ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose > without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it before I > bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem when > you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it when I > originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to > physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone) because > mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually above > the waterline, but read on. > > The rest of the story: > > Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in Manhattan, > and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week and > we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned her. A > good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail > "thrilling" moments. > > Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5 kts > under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over about > 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under power. > There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us). We > would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I attributed > that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more water in > the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time. > > While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main when I > wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's hard to > roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the problem > until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I have > for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke in > half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose > enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going to > try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure it's > pretty taught. > > When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above the > cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was still > struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring pennants > secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I suspect a > flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to keep > clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that while we > were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most of > the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my wife on > Cape Cod (I know, such problems). > > My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg or > more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water in > through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the > waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't the > person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would end > up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a little > more urgent. > > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: luna mia bilge pump connection.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 88738 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From ruckc at yahoo.com Tue Sep 8 22:28:52 2020 From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 22:28:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I now have two bilge pumps. One in stern locker and one in the actual bilge. The stern locker is for when it sits on the slopes shore parking area, under trees that continually clog the cockpit drains and the water then overflows into the stern locker. The bilge one is to pump out the 1" of additional water I took on while sailing for 4 hours. Based on what I can tell, the water is a slow straw's worth of water coming in from under the cockpit somewhere, when sitting flat in the water. It is not coming from the stern locker either, nor any of the through hulls in the stern. The centerboard cap is also sealed and dry. Of related interesting note, I accidentally put a loop in my bilge lines, because I hadn't found a good check valve yet. This thread makes me realize my loops are probably better than a check valve. This does ensure I will probably never stay out overnight or keep the boat slipped... - Curtis s/v Ruck It - 1978 On Tue, Sep 8, 2020, 22:14 Peter Nyberg wrote: > Mark, > > Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an adventure. > > Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal. It?s probably > the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner have not > also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat. > > As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless on a > Rhodes 22. In a situation where your boat starts taking on water while it > is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day. > Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with with a > sponge, or you?ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery, and > then the boat sinks anyway. > > As to the halyard, I?ve been bitten by this myself. In my case it was to > starboard as well. Maybe moving it to port would be better. What I did > was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a deck > mounted block out towards the hand rail. Since that repositioning, I?ve > never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple wrote: > > > > Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears > that > > someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You > might > > ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose > > without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it before > I > > bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem > when > > you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it when I > > originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to > > physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone) > because > > mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually above > > the waterline, but read on. > > > > The rest of the story: > > > > Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in > Manhattan, > > and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week and > > we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned her. A > > good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail > > "thrilling" moments. > > > > Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5 kts > > under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over > about > > 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under > power. > > There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us). We > > would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I attributed > > that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more water > in > > the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time. > > > > While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main when I > > wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's hard > to > > roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the > problem > > until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I > have > > for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke in > > half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose > > enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going to > > try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure it's > > pretty taught. > > > > When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above the > > cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was > still > > struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring pennants > > secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I suspect a > > flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to > keep > > clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that while > we > > were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most of > > the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my wife > on > > Cape Cod (I know, such problems). > > > > My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg or > > more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water in > > through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the > > waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't > the > > person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would end > > up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a little > > more urgent. > > > > Mark > > > > -- > > Boston, MA > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: luna mia bilge pump connection.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 88738 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200908/2bd87850/attachment.jpg > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Sep 8 22:35:20 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 22:35:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <5A85975B-F9E4-40F3-80FD-19786AF7FBEF@aol.com> References: <5A85975B-F9E4-40F3-80FD-19786AF7FBEF@aol.com> Message-ID: <000001d68651$e087afb0$a1970f10$@ca> My boat has bricks of metal - steel, or possibly lead, covered with some fiberglass. It is ver hard like steel but has not rusted so I am not sure what it is. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:10 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation I also found a mass of concrete which I chopped about 3? out to make cabin floor even -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 138191 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- > On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, John Keyser wrote: > > ?When I stripped down my 1980 to refurbish the interior, I found a large mass of what seemed to be cement just behind the flotation in the bow. Some of it seemed to be covered with a fiberglass membrane, but some of it had become wet and was crumbling away. I was installing an automatic bilge pump a bit astern of it, so I just cleaned up the loose stuff so it wouldn't clog the pump. I didn't take any pictures. > > John K > 1980 R-22 > Deci-Belle > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Todd Tavares > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:41 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation > > Jerry, > > So what was in there for ballast originally? > I hope it wasn't sand and gravel as it appears in one of the pics. > > Todd T. > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 8:09 PM wrote: >> >> Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and motored >> around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. >> I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it back >> on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. All >> went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 >>>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of mat >>>> and roving . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Inside looking out >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more >>>>>>> pics >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> then more story. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three >>>>>>>> hours, >>>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches forward >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the keel >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came out >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so a >>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>> more pics and more later. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice >>>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of the >>>>>>>>> wispy >>>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning >>>>>>>>> hunt. >>>>>>>>> Dove >>>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way >>>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally visit. >>>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do when >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake >>>>>>>>> speed >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up and I >>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no luck. >>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. Went >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd better >>>>>>>>> check >>>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. >>>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the marina >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held >>>>>>>>> vacuum >>>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to >>>>>>>>> stop >>>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Name: 2016-07-09 13.23.10.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1265037 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cjlowe at sssnet.com Tue Sep 8 22:53:43 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 22:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <62110.24.140.30.102.1599620023.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Mark, That is an easy fix. Turn that tee fitting 180 degrees to straight up , add two-inch of pipe to a 90 degree fitting and attach to the tee. On the other end of the 90 degree fitting, reduce to the size of the bilge pump hose, add another 90 degree fitting and attach the bilge pump hose to the bottom of the fitting. The reason you reduce after the first 90 is to limit drain back, when the pump shuts off. Jerry Lowe Mark, > > Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an adventure. > > Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal. It???s probably > the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner have not > also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat. > > As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless on a > Rhodes 22. In a situation where your boat starts taking on water while it > is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day. > Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with with > a sponge, or you???ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery, > and then the boat sinks anyway. > > As to the halyard, I???ve been bitten by this myself. In my case it was > to starboard as well. Maybe moving it to port would be better. What I > did was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a deck > mounted block out towards the hand rail. Since that repositioning, I???ve > never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >> On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple wrote: >> >> Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears >> that >> someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You >> might >> ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose >> without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it before >> I >> bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem >> when >> you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it when >> I >> originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to >> physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone) >> because >> mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually >> above >> the waterline, but read on. >> >> The rest of the story: >> >> Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in >> Manhattan, >> and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week >> and >> we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned her. A >> good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail >> "thrilling" moments. >> >> Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5 >> kts >> under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over >> about >> 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under >> power. >> There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us). >> We >> would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I attributed >> that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more water >> in >> the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time. >> >> While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main when >> I >> wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's hard >> to >> roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the >> problem >> until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I >> have >> for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke >> in >> half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose >> enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going to >> try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure >> it's >> pretty taught. >> >> When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above the >> cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was >> still >> struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring >> pennants >> secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I suspect >> a >> flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to >> keep >> clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that while >> we >> were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most >> of >> the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my wife >> on >> Cape Cod (I know, such problems). >> >> My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg >> or >> more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water in >> through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the >> waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't >> the >> person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would >> end >> up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a little >> more urgent. >> >> Mark >> >> -- >> Boston, MA >> >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: luna mia bilge pump connection.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 88738 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 23:07:31 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 23:07:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Peter for the explanation. Yes, a photo of the strip would be good. I know that at least one other member's boat had the transom suffer damage because of the unsupported wheel. Fortunately, on my new Rhodes the area between the rails has been repaired and reinforced with lots of biaxial cloth. plus an 18 X 18 1/2' marine plywood covered in fiberglass and 5200ed and thru bolted. But I still want to see if I can get a track like yours for the wheel. I wonder if 3/16 alum flat stock would do the trick, I think I have some here. I'll make sure I keep to PDF's and Google Drive docs from now on. Thanks again for the info. Chris G Enosis On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:25 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Chris, > > I believe what you are seeing is Stan?s design. > > The transom is curved. The motor mount needs to be offset so that it is > perpendicular to the centerline of the boat, rather than parallel to the > adjacent section of transom. That means that the outboard track will be > set back further off the transom than the inboard track. > > I never really noticed, but if the wheel is perpendicular to the mount > (which seems likely), and thereby parallel with the centerline of the boat, > it will not hit the transom at a 90 degree angle. I think this is the way > it is intended to be. > > What seems to be missing on your boat that is present on my boat is a > place for the wheel to ride. I?ve got a vertical strip of plastic (probably > Starboard) for the wheel to ride on. It runs from about the waterline to > the rub-rail. From memory, it?s about 2? wide and 1/2? thick. This helps > distribute the load. There?s also reinforcement on the inside. I can take > pictures tomorrow if you would like. > > On a different topic entirely, only certain file types are accepted as > attachments by the mail-list software. Word documents apparently don?t > make the cut. Most image filetypes do, as well as PDF?s, if that option is > available to you. > > ?Peter > > > On Sep 8, 2020, at 3:48 PM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > > So I am re-installing the track for the lift and have had the opportunity > > to really focus on the system. My main focus was the hole and crack in > the > > transom but now....... So anyway the mount seems to be off kilter, not > > bent but just off. If you look at the following pictures you can see > that > > the sliding mount is not parallel with the transom. The difference is > > around 3/4" at the bottom and when raised, 5/8. As a result the guide > > wheel is canted so just the right edge is pressed on the transom. That > > must act like a pizza cutter on the thin layup on the transom. There > is > > an arch to the transom so the outboard track base should stand off the > > transom more than the inboard track base. The outboard base is 4 1/2" > and > > the inboard track base is 3 3/8". Could it be that the outboard track > is a > > tad too broad? Does anyone out there have the same measurements as I do? > > Is your lift canted like mine? Any ideas are welcome! > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 8 23:09:50 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2020 23:09:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <000001d68651$e087afb0$a1970f10$@ca> References: <5A85975B-F9E4-40F3-80FD-19786AF7FBEF@aol.com> <000001d68651$e087afb0$a1970f10$@ca> Message-ID: Hey Graham, If it is a '76 then I think Stan was using mostly depleted, uranium for ballast. Funny, the water in the bilges never froze on my old boat. (grin) On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:35 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > My boat has bricks of metal - steel, or possibly lead, covered with some > fiberglass. It is ver hard like steel but has not rusted so I am not sure > what it is. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:10 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation > > I also found a mass of concrete which I chopped about 3? out to make cabin > floor even > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 138191 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200908/53c83cd5/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:32 AM, John Keyser wrote: > > > > ?When I stripped down my 1980 to refurbish the interior, I found a large > mass of what seemed to be cement just behind the flotation in the bow. Some > of it seemed to be covered with a fiberglass membrane, but some of it had > become wet and was crumbling away. I was installing an automatic bilge pump > a bit astern of it, so I just cleaned up the loose stuff so it wouldn't > clog the pump. I didn't take any pictures. > > > > John K > > 1980 R-22 > > Deci-Belle > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Todd Tavares > > Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 6:41 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation > > > > Jerry, > > > > So what was in there for ballast originally? > > I hope it wasn't sand and gravel as it appears in one of the pics. > > > > Todd T. > > > > tavares0947 at gmail.com > > > >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2020, 8:09 PM wrote: > >> > >> Before I put the ballast Back in, I took her to a closer lake and > motored > >> around for an hour , checking for leaks. Dry as a bone, YEA. > >> I take it he rudder off for trailering and I didn?t bother putting it > back > >> on for this test. I do not recommend this as stealing is very dicey. All > >> went well and I went home and filled the bilge and fiberglassed I over. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>>> After cleaning out and sanding the repair area inside and out, I put 4 > >>>> layers of cloth/mat on the outside and alternating 4 layers each of > mat > >>>> and roving . > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> Parts of the CB trunk you most likely haven?t seen > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Inside looking out > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> Switched from tablet to phone and the pics are big, so a few more > >>>>>>> pics > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> then more story. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> I called my brother on the way home, and he agreed to meet me back > >>>>>>> at > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> lake to pull out. The pump kept up to the ingress for over three > >>>>>>>> hours, > >>>>>>>> until the boat was on wheels. The hole was about ten inches > forward > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> centerboard trunk , about the size of my fist. This area of the > keel > >>>>>>>> is > >>>>>>>> where most of the ballest is. About a heaping dish pan full came > out > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> the Area I needed to access for the repair. Time for supper , so > a > >>>>>>>> few > >>>>>>>> more pics and more later. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Jerry Lowe SV Country Rhodes ?86 > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> A month ago, I went out on my first overnight in two years. Nice > >>>>>>>>> uneventful night, woke up to the swallows darting in and out of > the > >>>>>>>>> wispy > >>>>>>>>> morning fog and using my rigging as home base for their morning > >>>>>>>>> hunt. > >>>>>>>>> Dove > >>>>>>>>> into a much needed bucket and sponge wash of the topside. Then on > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> way > >>>>>>>>> back to the dock,I went to part of the lake I don't normally > visit. > >>>>>>>>> On > >>>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>> way back to the dock I hugged the shore more closely than I do > when > >>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>> normally return to the slip. 500 feet front my slip, at no wake > >>>>>>>>> speed > >>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>> hit something under water. It lifted the front of the boat up > and I > >>>>>>>>> was > >>>>>>>>> hung up. I rocked the boat side to side several times and no > luck. > >>>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>>> stepped back to put the motor in reverse, and it freed itself. > Went > >>>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>>> slip and tied up, and just before I went home, I thought I'd > better > >>>>>>>>> check > >>>>>>>>> the bilge. One inch below the floorboards, and rapidly rising. > >>>>>>>>> Home , truck, and trailer are 35 miles away, so I go to the > marina > >>>>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>> buy a bilge pump and some hose. I cut the cord off the hand held > >>>>>>>>> vacuum > >>>>>>>>> and wire and plumb every thing up and head for home. I'm going to > >>>>>>>>> stop > >>>>>>>>> here and post a few pictures and start a new post. 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Enjoy the sailing while the weather is good. Getting a new-to-you-boat can come with surprises. I knew I had to check the holding tank because Sean the PBO had never used the head, but I forgot to write it down. Brought the boat home and found a full holding tank, that Sean got from the PBO. Good news was it had pretty much neutralized itself over the time. So yeah, we got to write stuff down. Chris G Enosis On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 9:43 PM Mark Whipple wrote: > Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears that > someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You might > ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose > without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it before I > bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem when > you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it when I > originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to > physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone) because > mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually above > the waterline, but read on. > > The rest of the story: > > Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in Manhattan, > and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week and > we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned her. A > good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail > "thrilling" moments. > > Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5 kts > under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over about > 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under power. > There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us). We > would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I attributed > that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more water in > the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time. > > While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main when I > wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's hard to > roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the problem > until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I have > for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke in > half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose > enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going to > try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure it's > pretty taught. > > When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above the > cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was still > struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring pennants > secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I suspect a > flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to keep > clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that while we > were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most of > the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my wife on > Cape Cod (I know, such problems). > > My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg or > more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water in > through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the > waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't the > person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would end > up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a little > more urgent. > > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: luna mia bilge pump connection.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 88738 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200908/2bd87850/attachment.jpg > > > From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 06:41:37 2020 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (luis.guzman.ve) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2020 06:41:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation In-Reply-To: <62110.24.140.30.102.1599620023.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <5f58b167.1c69fb81.68055.8d67@mx.google.com> Or you could add a one-way valve to the hose coming from the bilge pump.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: cjlowe at sssnet.com Date: 9/8/20 10:53 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation Mark,? That is an easy fix. Turn that tee fitting 180 degrees to straight up ,add two-inch of pipe to a 90 degree fitting and attach to the tee. Onthe other end of the 90 degree fitting, reduce to the size of the bilgepump hose, add another 90 degree fitting and attach the bilge pump hoseto the bottom of the fitting. The reason you reduce after the first 90is to limit drain back, when the pump shuts off.? Jerry Lowe Mark,>> Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an adventure.>> Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal.? It???s probably> the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner have not> also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat.>> As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless on a> Rhodes 22.? In a situation where your boat starts taking on water while it> is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day.> Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with with> a sponge, or you???ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery,> and then the boat sinks anyway.>> As to the halyard, I???ve been bitten by this myself.? In my case it was> to starboard as well.? Maybe moving it to port would be better.? What I> did was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a deck> mounted block out towards the hand rail.? Since that repositioning, I???ve> never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF.>> Peter Nyberg> Coventry, CT> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)>>>> On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple wrote:>>>> Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears>> that>> someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You>> might>> ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose>> without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it before>> I>> bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem>> when>> you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it when>> I>> originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to>> physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone)>> because>> mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually>> above>> the waterline, but read on.>>>> The rest of the story:>>>> Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in>> Manhattan,>> and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week>> and>> we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned her. A>> good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail>> "thrilling" moments.>>>> Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5>> kts>> under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over>> about>> 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under>> power.>> There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us).>> We>> would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I attributed>> that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more water>> in>> the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time.>>>> While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main when>> I>> wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's hard>> to>> roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the>> problem>> until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I>> have>> for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke>> in>> half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose>> enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going to>> try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure>> it's>> pretty taught.>>>> When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above the>> cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was>> still>> struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring>> pennants>> secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I suspect>> a>> flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to>> keep>> clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that while>> we>> were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most>> of>> the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my wife>> on>> Cape Cod (I know, such problems).>>>> My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg>> or>> more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water in>> through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the>> waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't>> the>> person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would>> end>> up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a little>> more urgent.>>>> Mark>>>> -->> Boston, MA>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: luna mia bilge pump connection.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 88738 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL:>> >> From mark at whipplefamily.com Wed Sep 9 10:23:05 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:23:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation In-Reply-To: <62110.24.140.30.102.1599620023.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <62110.24.140.30.102.1599620023.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm going to get a longer hose and run a loop up under the galley counter as high as possible. I will rotate the "T" before reconnecting. I'm reluctant to put in a one-way valve because they reduce the ID of the hose. With the little 500gph bilge pump and a 1" ID hose I don't want to introduce any restrictions beyond putting in that high loop. Thanks again, Mark On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:53 PM wrote: > > Mark, > That is an easy fix. Turn that tee fitting 180 degrees to straight up , > add two-inch of pipe to a 90 degree fitting and attach to the tee. On > the other end of the 90 degree fitting, reduce to the size of the bilge > pump hose, add another 90 degree fitting and attach the bilge pump hose > to the bottom of the fitting. The reason you reduce after the first 90 > is to limit drain back, when the pump shuts off. > > Jerry Lowe > > > Mark, > > > > Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an adventure. > > > > Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal. It?s probably > > the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner have > not > > also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat. > > > > As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless on a > > Rhodes 22. In a situation where your boat starts taking on water while > it > > is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day. > > Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with with > > a sponge, or you?ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery, > > and then the boat sinks anyway. > > > > As to the halyard, I?ve been bitten by this myself. In my case it was > > to starboard as well. Maybe moving it to port would be better. What I > > did was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a deck > > mounted block out towards the hand rail. Since that repositioning, I?ve > > never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > >> On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple > wrote: > >> > >> Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears > >> that > >> someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You > >> might > >> ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose > >> without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it before > >> I > >> bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem > >> when > >> you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it when > >> I > >> originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to > >> physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone) > >> because > >> mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually > >> above > >> the waterline, but read on. > >> > >> The rest of the story: > >> > >> Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in > >> Manhattan, > >> and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week > >> and > >> we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned her. A > >> good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail > >> "thrilling" moments. > >> > >> Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5 > >> kts > >> under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over > >> about > >> 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under > >> power. > >> There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us). > >> We > >> would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I attributed > >> that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more water > >> in > >> the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time. > >> > >> While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main when > >> I > >> wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's hard > >> to > >> roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the > >> problem > >> until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I > >> have > >> for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke > >> in > >> half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose > >> enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going to > >> try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure > >> it's > >> pretty taught. > >> > >> When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above the > >> cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was > >> still > >> struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring > >> pennants > >> secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I suspect > >> a > >> flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to > >> keep > >> clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that while > >> we > >> were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most > >> of > >> the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my wife > >> on > >> Cape Cod (I know, such problems). > >> > >> My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg > >> or > >> more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water in > >> through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the > >> waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't > >> the > >> person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would > >> end > >> up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a little > >> more urgent. > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> -- > >> Boston, MA > >> > >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: luna mia bilge pump connection.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 88738 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: > >> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200908/2bd87850/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 10:23:12 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:23:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) Message-ID: I went out this morning and using the loose boom (everything is on the ground) to act as a long straight edge across the two vertical rails. The difference between the far port corner of the transom and the far stb. from the imaginary straight line across the two rails is barely a quarter of an inch from a perfect 90 degree angle along the midline of the boat. That is, I think pretty true. So I was obsessing on the wrong spot. However, an improvement I think would be to angle the bottom 1" SS pipe just a bit so the wheel is at right angles to that portion of the transom where it rolls up and down. Or, give the wheel a bit of bevel so you get the same result. I understand there is a strip or "track" that the wheel rolls on in later versions of this set up. I'll retro fit it so the force is more evenly distributed. So really, no problem here. Thanks for all the advice and suggestions so that I could see the light of Stan's engineering. Chris G Enosis From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 10:25:51 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:25:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation In-Reply-To: References: <62110.24.140.30.102.1599620023.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Hey Mark, you might want to put in a siphon break in at the top of the loop so that if you are healed and the pump goes on, then stops, you would not get a siphoned collumn in the hose while the boat is heeled. Chris G Enosis On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:23 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm going to get a longer hose and run a > loop up under the galley counter as high as possible. I will rotate the "T" > before reconnecting. I'm reluctant to put in a one-way valve because they > reduce the ID of the hose. With the little 500gph bilge pump and a 1" ID > hose I don't want to introduce any restrictions beyond putting in that high > loop. > > Thanks again, > > Mark > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:53 PM wrote: > > > > > Mark, > > That is an easy fix. Turn that tee fitting 180 degrees to straight up , > > add two-inch of pipe to a 90 degree fitting and attach to the tee. On > > the other end of the 90 degree fitting, reduce to the size of the bilge > > pump hose, add another 90 degree fitting and attach the bilge pump hose > > to the bottom of the fitting. The reason you reduce after the first 90 > > is to limit drain back, when the pump shuts off. > > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an adventure. > > > > > > Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal. It?s > probably > > > the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner have > > not > > > also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat. > > > > > > As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless on > a > > > Rhodes 22. In a situation where your boat starts taking on water while > > it > > > is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day. > > > Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with > with > > > a sponge, or you?ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery, > > > and then the boat sinks anyway. > > > > > > As to the halyard, I?ve been bitten by this myself. In my case it was > > > to starboard as well. Maybe moving it to port would be better. What I > > > did was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a > deck > > > mounted block out towards the hand rail. Since that repositioning, > I?ve > > > never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF. > > > > > > Peter Nyberg > > > Coventry, CT > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > > > > >> On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears > > >> that > > >> someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You > > >> might > > >> ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose > > >> without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it > before > > >> I > > >> bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem > > >> when > > >> you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it > when > > >> I > > >> originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to > > >> physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone) > > >> because > > >> mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually > > >> above > > >> the waterline, but read on. > > >> > > >> The rest of the story: > > >> > > >> Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in > > >> Manhattan, > > >> and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week > > >> and > > >> we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned > her. A > > >> good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail > > >> "thrilling" moments. > > >> > > >> Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5 > > >> kts > > >> under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over > > >> about > > >> 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under > > >> power. > > >> There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us). > > >> We > > >> would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I > attributed > > >> that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more > water > > >> in > > >> the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time. > > >> > > >> While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main > when > > >> I > > >> wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's > hard > > >> to > > >> roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the > > >> problem > > >> until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I > > >> have > > >> for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke > > >> in > > >> half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose > > >> enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going > to > > >> try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure > > >> it's > > >> pretty taught. > > >> > > >> When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above > the > > >> cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was > > >> still > > >> struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring > > >> pennants > > >> secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I > suspect > > >> a > > >> flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to > > >> keep > > >> clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that > while > > >> we > > >> were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most > > >> of > > >> the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my > wife > > >> on > > >> Cape Cod (I know, such problems). > > >> > > >> My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg > > >> or > > >> more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water > in > > >> through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the > > >> waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't > > >> the > > >> person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would > > >> end > > >> up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a > little > > >> more urgent. > > >> > > >> Mark > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Boston, MA > > >> > > >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >> Name: luna mia bilge pump connection.jpg > > >> Type: image/jpeg > > >> Size: 88738 bytes > > >> Desc: not available > > >> URL: > > >> < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200908/2bd87850/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From mark at whipplefamily.com Wed Sep 9 10:26:38 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:26:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection Message-ID: New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) Mark -- Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 24318 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark at whipplefamily.com Wed Sep 9 10:34:18 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:34:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat Message-ID: Since I seem to be one of the only (THE only?) R22 with a wheel, here's another picture. The boat actually cam with two wheels, and I switched to the bigger one last week. It's much better for me because I don't have to lean down to hold the wheel, and I can easily reach it from the captain's chairs. Unlike the one that was installed on the boat when I got it, this one is wrapped with something like leather (elk skin maybe?) and two sides fold in if you want a little more room at anchor. That reminds me of another question: as nice as the captain's chairs are, do you find that they tend to push the boat down at the stern even when not motoring? I'm inclined to remove the wheel anyway, but I'm thinking with a tiller extension I could sit a little more forward in the cockpit to balance the weight a bit more fore and aft. What are your thoughts/experiences? Thanks, Mark -- Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rhodes 09 08 20.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 234796 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark at whipplefamily.com Wed Sep 9 10:34:41 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:34:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation In-Reply-To: References: <62110.24.140.30.102.1599620023.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Right - good call, Chris! Mark On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:25 AM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Mark, you might want to put in a siphon break in at the top of the loop > so that if you are healed and the pump goes on, then stops, you would not > get a siphoned collumn in the hose while the boat is heeled. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:23 AM Mark Whipple > wrote: > > > Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm going to get a longer hose and run a > > loop up under the galley counter as high as possible. I will rotate the > "T" > > before reconnecting. I'm reluctant to put in a one-way valve because they > > reduce the ID of the hose. With the little 500gph bilge pump and a 1" ID > > hose I don't want to introduce any restrictions beyond putting in that > high > > loop. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > Mark > > > > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:53 PM wrote: > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > That is an easy fix. Turn that tee fitting 180 degrees to straight > up , > > > add two-inch of pipe to a 90 degree fitting and attach to the tee. On > > > the other end of the 90 degree fitting, reduce to the size of the bilge > > > pump hose, add another 90 degree fitting and attach the bilge pump hose > > > to the bottom of the fitting. The reason you reduce after the first 90 > > > is to limit drain back, when the pump shuts off. > > > > > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > > > > > Mark, > > > > > > > > Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an > adventure. > > > > > > > > Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal. It?s > > probably > > > > the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner > have > > > not > > > > also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat. > > > > > > > > As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless > on > > a > > > > Rhodes 22. In a situation where your boat starts taking on water > while > > > it > > > > is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day. > > > > Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with > > with > > > > a sponge, or you?ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery, > > > > and then the boat sinks anyway. > > > > > > > > As to the halyard, I?ve been bitten by this myself. In my case it > was > > > > to starboard as well. Maybe moving it to port would be better. > What I > > > > did was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a > > deck > > > > mounted block out towards the hand rail. Since that repositioning, > > I?ve > > > > never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF. > > > > > > > > Peter Nyberg > > > > Coventry, CT > > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple > > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it > appears > > > >> that > > > >> someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. > You > > > >> might > > > >> ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose > > > >> without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it > > before > > > >> I > > > >> bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the > problem > > > >> when > > > >> you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it > > when > > > >> I > > > >> originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to > > > >> physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone) > > > >> because > > > >> mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually > > > >> above > > > >> the waterline, but read on. > > > >> > > > >> The rest of the story: > > > >> > > > >> Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in > > > >> Manhattan, > > > >> and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last > week > > > >> and > > > >> we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned > > her. A > > > >> good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail > > > >> "thrilling" moments. > > > >> > > > >> Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to > 5 > > > >> kts > > > >> under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. > Over > > > >> about > > > >> 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under > > > >> power. > > > >> There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with > us). > > > >> We > > > >> would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I > > attributed > > > >> that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more > > water > > > >> in > > > >> the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the > time. > > > >> > > > >> While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main > > when > > > >> I > > > >> wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's > > hard > > > >> to > > > >> roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the > > > >> problem > > > >> until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard > I > > > >> have > > > >> for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I > broke > > > >> in > > > >> half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was > loose > > > >> enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm > going > > to > > > >> try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure > > > >> it's > > > >> pretty taught. > > > >> > > > >> When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above > > the > > > >> cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I > was > > > >> still > > > >> struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring > > > >> pennants > > > >> secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I > > suspect > > > >> a > > > >> flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had > to > > > >> keep > > > >> clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that > > while > > > >> we > > > >> were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got > most > > > >> of > > > >> the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my > > wife > > > >> on > > > >> Cape Cod (I know, such problems). > > > >> > > > >> My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel > 20deg > > > >> or > > > >> more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water > > in > > > >> through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the > > > >> waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - > wouldn't > > > >> the > > > >> person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink > would > > > >> end > > > >> up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a > > little > > > >> more urgent. > > > >> > > > >> Mark > > > >> > > > >> -- > > > >> Boston, MA > > > >> > > > >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > > >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > > >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >> Name: luna mia bilge pump connection.jpg > > > >> Type: image/jpeg > > > >> Size: 88738 bytes > > > >> Desc: not available > > > >> URL: > > > >> < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200908/2bd87850/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Sep 9 10:34:44 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 09:34:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mine looks like this basically. New in 2011. Best, On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 9:26 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the > mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been > broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between > our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way > - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24318 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1259/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200909_093404_Bokeh.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2248006 bytes Desc: not available URL: From john_carlson at mac.com Wed Sep 9 10:36:22 2020 From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 09:36:22 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <309F952F-DBEA-4983-8FA3-03620611D202@mac.com> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks a lot like yours (and I use a Mac). -- John. 2004/12 Rhodes 22 Waco, TX > On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple wrote: > > New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the > mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been > broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between > our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way > - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24318 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Wed Sep 9 10:59:23 2020 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:59:23 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark: I have a pedestal wheel on one of our R22 boats and I believe there is another boat with a wheel on the cabin bulkhead. The tiller extension is a nice feature to provide better control from the captain chair. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119 Washington DC, 20016 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Mark Whipple Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:34 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat Since I seem to be one of the only (THE only?) R22 with a wheel, here's another picture. The boat actually cam with two wheels, and I switched to the bigger one last week. It's much better for me because I don't have to lean down to hold the wheel, and I can easily reach it from the captain's chairs. Unlike the one that was installed on the boat when I got it, this one is wrapped with something like leather (elk skin maybe?) and two sides fold in if you want a little more room at anchor. That reminds me of another question: as nice as the captain's chairs are, do you find that they tend to push the boat down at the stern even when not motoring? I'm inclined to remove the wheel anyway, but I'm thinking with a tiller extension I could sit a little more forward in the cockpit to balance the weight a bit more fore and aft. What are your thoughts/experiences? Thanks, Mark -- Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rhodes 09 08 20.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 234796 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 11:27:21 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 10:27:21 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for sharing the photo since it's interesting to see the creative modifications including the mainsheet running further forward. Regarding the seating discussion, I don't have the captain chairs but I've found that it's comfortable to sit on the coaming and rest my back against the stern rail. That gives a good view since you can more easily see over the cabin. It also helps flatten the boat when sitting on the windward coaming when the wind kicks up. I also often alternate between sitting and standing while sailing since I'm short enough to stand under the boom when it's on the higher setting. My boat appears also to be a bit stern heavy so sometimes a bit of water would come back up through the cockpit drain when I have more than me and another person in the cockpit. Last fall I installed an inline check valve which has addressed that issue but has the risk of reduced draining capacity. More on that at the link below: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/installation-of-inline-check-valve-for-cockpit-drain-td56504.html#a56508 My boat will become a bit less stern heavy with the addition of a bow roller that I plan on tackling this fall. More updates to come on that later. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 9:34 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > Since I seem to be one of the only (THE only?) R22 with a wheel, here's > another picture. The boat actually cam with two wheels, and I switched to > the bigger one last week. It's much better for me because I don't have to > lean down to hold the wheel, and I can easily reach it from the captain's > chairs. Unlike the one that was installed on the boat when I got it, this > one is wrapped with something like leather (elk skin maybe?) and two sides > fold in if you want a little more room at anchor. > > That reminds me of another question: as nice as the captain's chairs are, > do you find that they tend to push the boat down at the stern even when not > motoring? I'm inclined to remove the wheel anyway, but I'm thinking with a > tiller extension I could sit a little more forward in the cockpit to > balance the weight a bit more fore and aft. What are your > thoughts/experiences? > > Thanks, > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: rhodes 09 08 20.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 234796 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/63206c37/attachment.jpg > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed Sep 9 11:53:31 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 11:53:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000401d686c1$5eff2d40$1cfd87c0$@ebsmed.com> Do you have a traveler? Is it connected to the wheel pedestal? Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Mark Whipple Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:34 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat Since I seem to be one of the only (THE only?) R22 with a wheel, here's another picture. The boat actually cam with two wheels, and I switched to the bigger one last week. It's much better for me because I don't have to lean down to hold the wheel, and I can easily reach it from the captain's chairs. Unlike the one that was installed on the boat when I got it, this one is wrapped with something like leather (elk skin maybe?) and two sides fold in if you want a little more room at anchor. That reminds me of another question: as nice as the captain's chairs are, do you find that they tend to push the boat down at the stern even when not motoring? I'm inclined to remove the wheel anyway, but I'm thinking with a tiller extension I could sit a little more forward in the cockpit to balance the weight a bit more fore and aft. What are your thoughts/experiences? Thanks, Mark -- Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: rhodes 09 08 20.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 234796 bytes Desc: not available URL: From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Sep 9 11:53:02 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 11:53:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, I took some pictures this morning, don?t have time to work on uploading them at the moment. Sometime this afternoon. I also took some measurements. The plastic strip is about 20? long, 2? wide, 1/2? thick on the outboard edge, and 3/8? thick on the inboard side. So that?s how Stan gets the roller to be square to the surface it?s rolling on. The ?track? piece is tapered to compensate for the curve of the transom. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 9, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > I went out this morning and using the loose boom (everything is on the > ground) to act as a long straight edge across the two vertical rails. The > difference between the far port corner of the transom and the far stb. > from the imaginary straight line across the two rails is barely a quarter > of an inch from a perfect 90 degree angle along the midline of the boat. > That is, I think pretty true. So I was obsessing on the wrong spot. > However, an improvement I think would be to angle the bottom 1" SS pipe > just a bit so the wheel is at right angles to that portion of the transom > where it rolls up and down. Or, give the wheel a bit of bevel so you get > the same result. I understand there is a strip or "track" that the wheel > rolls on in later versions of this set up. I'll retro fit it so the force > is more evenly distributed. So really, no problem here. Thanks for all > the advice and suggestions so that I could see the light of Stan's > engineering. > > Chris G > Enosis From rlowe at vt.edu Wed Sep 9 12:05:51 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 16:05:51 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mark, Happen to run across a photo of how my sink drain and bilge pump were connected. You can see how the loop goes up behind the sink. I very rarely got any back flow into the bilge. Had to be really heeled over. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Mark Whipple Sent: Tuesday, September 8, 2020 9:43 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it appears that someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain. You might ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it before I bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the problem when you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it when I originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone) because mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually above the waterline, but read on. The rest of the story: Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in Manhattan, and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last week and we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned her. A good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail "thrilling" moments. Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to 5 kts under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach. Over about 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under power. There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with us). We would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I attributed that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more water in the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the time. While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main when I wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's hard to roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the problem until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard I have for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I broke in half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was loose enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm going to try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure it's pretty taught. When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above the cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I was still struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring pennants secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I suspect a flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had to keep clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that while we were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got most of the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my wife on Cape Cod (I know, such problems). My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel 20deg or more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water in through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking - wouldn't the person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink would end up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a little more urgent. Mark -- Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If, the short version is my motor mount rails do not compensate for the slight bow to the transom. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Sep 9 13:32:23 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 17:32:23 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: <309F952F-DBEA-4983-8FA3-03620611D202@mac.com> References: , <309F952F-DBEA-4983-8FA3-03620611D202@mac.com> Message-ID: Hi All, I?ve attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older (1976) standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it?s a simple weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. The bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop top. The ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul tackle. [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks a lot like yours (and I use a Mac). -- John. 2004/12 Rhodes 22 Waco, TX > On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple wrote: > > New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the > mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been > broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between > our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way > - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24318 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 153447 bytes Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 14:07:25 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:07:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brilliant, the taper of Stan's is. Chris (AKA Yoda) G Enosis On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:53 AM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Chris, > > I took some pictures this morning, don?t have time to work on uploading > them at the moment. Sometime this afternoon. > > I also took some measurements. The plastic strip is about 20? long, 2? > wide, 1/2? thick on the outboard edge, and 3/8? thick on the inboard side. > So that?s how Stan gets the roller to be square to the surface it?s rolling > on. The ?track? piece is tapered to compensate for the curve of the > transom. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > On Sep 9, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > > I went out this morning and using the loose boom (everything is on the > > ground) to act as a long straight edge across the two vertical rails. > The > > difference between the far port corner of the transom and the far stb. > > from the imaginary straight line across the two rails is barely a > quarter > > of an inch from a perfect 90 degree angle along the midline of the > boat. > > That is, I think pretty true. So I was obsessing on the wrong spot. > > However, an improvement I think would be to angle the bottom 1" SS pipe > > just a bit so the wheel is at right angles to that portion of the transom > > where it rolls up and down. Or, give the wheel a bit of bevel so you get > > the same result. I understand there is a strip or "track" that the wheel > > rolls on in later versions of this set up. I'll retro fit it so the > force > > is more evenly distributed. So really, no problem here. Thanks for all > > the advice and suggestions so that I could see the light of Stan's > > engineering. > > > > Chris G > > Enosis > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 14:10:01 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:10:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks Alex, More food for thought. Nice fix on the tiller. Chris G Enosis On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 12:50 PM S/V Lark wrote: > https://1drv.ms/w/s!AhRfVyncNLyhwisUjNvaytzjKtJF?e=shEUc1 > > > I don't know if this will work. If, the short version is my motor mount > rails do not compensate for the slight bow to the transom. > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 14:12:46 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:12:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Peter, The pictures will be helpful, no rush. The measurements on the roller strip is very helpful. Not sure how, without a table saw, I can make one, but I'llfigure something out. Chris G Enosis On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:53 AM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Chris, > > I took some pictures this morning, don?t have time to work on uploading > them at the moment. Sometime this afternoon. > > I also took some measurements. The plastic strip is about 20? long, 2? > wide, 1/2? thick on the outboard edge, and 3/8? thick on the inboard side. > So that?s how Stan gets the roller to be square to the surface it?s rolling > on. The ?track? piece is tapered to compensate for the curve of the > transom. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > On Sep 9, 2020, at 10:23 AM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > > I went out this morning and using the loose boom (everything is on the > > ground) to act as a long straight edge across the two vertical rails. > The > > difference between the far port corner of the transom and the far stb. > > from the imaginary straight line across the two rails is barely a > quarter > > of an inch from a perfect 90 degree angle along the midline of the > boat. > > That is, I think pretty true. So I was obsessing on the wrong spot. > > However, an improvement I think would be to angle the bottom 1" SS pipe > > just a bit so the wheel is at right angles to that portion of the transom > > where it rolls up and down. Or, give the wheel a bit of bevel so you get > > the same result. I understand there is a strip or "track" that the wheel > > rolls on in later versions of this set up. I'll retro fit it so the > force > > is more evenly distributed. So really, no problem here. Thanks for all > > the advice and suggestions so that I could see the light of Stan's > > engineering. > > > > Chris G > > Enosis > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Sep 9 14:53:49 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (mail.sunnybeeches.com) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 14:53:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <996cbb96-9552-4114-ba2d-509fc90c8371@Spark> Three pictures of the outboard lift wheel track.??Two show the lower end of the track; one with the motor up and tilted (wheel not on track); one with the motor up but not tilted (wheel on track).??The third with motor down shows the upper end of the track. Sent from my Mac using the Spark email client app. Peter On Sep 9, 2020, 2:13 PM -0400, Chris Geankoplis , wrote: > Thanks Peter, > The pictures will be helpful, no rush. The > measurements on the roller strip is very helpful. Not sure how, without a > table saw, I can make one, but I'llfigure something out. > Chris G > Enosis > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor Lift - 3.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 712177 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor Lift - 1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 748172 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor Lift - 2.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 792895 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Sep 9 16:13:01 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 16:13:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: References: <309F952F-DBEA-4983-8FA3-03620611D202@mac.com> Message-ID: <003901d686e5$a0014980$e003dc80$@ca> Roger: My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a track stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in use? If it works well I might copy that. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection Hi All, I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older (1976) standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a simple weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. The bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop top. The ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul tackle. [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks a lot like yours (and I use a Mac). -- John. 2004/12 Rhodes 22 Waco, TX > On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple wrote: > > New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the > mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been > broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between > our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way > - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24318 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 153447 bytes Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Sep 9 16:18:13 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 16:18:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <003a01d686e6$59cd86d0$0d689470$@ca> I meant to attach a picture of my pop top attachment so here it is. Sorry the deck is so dirty. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:35 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection Mine looks like this basically. New in 2011. Best, On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 9:26 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the > mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been > broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between > our boats but do yours look like this? 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Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:35 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection Mine looks like this basically. New in 2011. Best, On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 9:26 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the > mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have > been broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences > between our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue > tape in the way > - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24318 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1 > 259/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200909_093404_Bokeh.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2248006 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tabernackle.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 135214 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 16:33:57 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 16:33:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: <996cbb96-9552-4114-ba2d-509fc90c8371@Spark> References: <996cbb96-9552-4114-ba2d-509fc90c8371@Spark> Message-ID: Great! Very clear on its construction and bevel. So I'll see if I can't make a facsimile. Chris G Enosis On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 2:56 PM mail.sunnybeeches.com wrote: > Three pictures of the outboard lift wheel track. Two show the lower end > of the track; one with the motor up and tilted (wheel not on track); one > with the motor up but not tilted (wheel on track). The third with motor > down shows the upper end of the track. > > Sent from my Mac using the Spark email client app. > > Peter > On Sep 9, 2020, 2:13 PM -0400, Chris Geankoplis , > wrote: > > Thanks Peter, > > The pictures will be helpful, no rush. The > > measurements on the roller strip is very helpful. Not sure how, without a > > table saw, I can make one, but I'llfigure something out. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor Lift - 3.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 712177 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/34eb5092/attachment.jpeg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor Lift - 1.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 748172 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/34eb5092/attachment-0001.jpeg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor Lift - 2.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 792895 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/34eb5092/attachment-0002.jpeg > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Sep 9 17:22:40 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 17:22:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection In-Reply-To: References: <003a01d686e6$59cd86d0$0d689470$@ca> Message-ID: <004301d686ef$5bc8a470$1359ed50$@ca> Rob: Yes, my boat is a 1976 - definitely pre-IMF Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 4:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection Graham, Do you have a standard main? I think the pop top slider is different for the IMF. And your deck looks clean compared to mine. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 4:18 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection I meant to attach a picture of my pop top attachment so here it is. Sorry the deck is so dirty. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:35 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection Mine looks like this basically. New in 2011. Best, On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 9:26 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the > mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have > been broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences > between our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue > tape in the way > - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 24318 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1 > 259/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200909_093404_Bokeh.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2248006 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tabernackle.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 135214 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Sep 9 17:23:56 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 21:23:56 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection Message-ID: Graham, The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > ?Roger: > My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye > strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a track > stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in use? If > it works well I might copy that. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > Hi All, > > I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older (1976) > standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a simple > weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. The > bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop top. The > ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul > tackle. > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > > The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks a > lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > > > -- > John. > 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > Waco, TX > > > >>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple wrote: >> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the >> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been >> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between >> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way >> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) >> Mark >> -- >> Boston, MA >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 24318 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: > ttachment.jpg> > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 153447 bytes > Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > URL: > ttachment.jpg> From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 19:36:31 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:36:31 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, I attached a couple of photos of my pop-top connection. The photo angles are not great, but it's what I could scavenge from existing photos since I won't be at the boat until the weekend. My boat is a 1989 recycled in 2013 with IMF. It appears that we have a similar setup for the pop-top connection. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 9:26 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the > mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been > broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between > our boats but do yours look like this? 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Name: PopTopConnection02.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 21781 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 19:54:13 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:54:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Alex, thanks for sharing the project documentation. Nice job with the anchor mount in the lazarette. This fall, I was thinking about making a mount for my Fortress anchor so it would rest sideways in chocks inside against the front side of the lazarette. I would need to add a backing board to do that. My anchor tends to find its way to the bottom of the lazarette with stuff piled on top so I was thinking about mounting in a place where it wasn't likely to be blocked and I could get to it easily. This brings up another question to Peter regarding his many anchors :) Peter, do you trail your boat with the anchors left mounted on the bow roller as well as the danforth anchor mounted on the stern rail? Or do you stow those for towing? I'm afraid of the anchors becoming deadly flying objects in the case of an accident, but stowing them so they don't bang around in the lazarette is another consideration. As part of my fall projects, I'm also thinking about making chocks on the floor of the lazarette for my other anchor to secure it for travel purposes (this is the Mantus M2 that will rest on a bow roller for normal sailing once I get that installed). Just curious about your approach for anchor storage while towing... Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM S/V Lark wrote: > https://1drv.ms/w/s!AhRfVyncNLyhwisUjNvaytzjKtJF?e=shEUc1 > > > I don't know if this will work. If, the short version is my motor mount > rails do not compensate for the slight bow to the transom. > > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 20:33:25 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 20:33:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: References: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hey Jesse, I've stowed my Fortress exactly the way you described for 15 years and lots of miles with no problems and it is very quick to get to. Chris G Enosis On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Alex, thanks for sharing the project documentation. Nice job with the > anchor mount in the lazarette. This fall, I was thinking about making a > mount for my Fortress anchor so it would rest sideways in chocks inside > against the front side of the lazarette. I would need to add a backing > board to do that. My anchor tends to find its way to the bottom of the > lazarette with stuff piled on top so I was thinking about mounting in a > place where it wasn't likely to be blocked and I could get to it easily. > > This brings up another question to Peter regarding his many anchors :) > Peter, do you trail your boat with the anchors left mounted on the bow > roller as well as the danforth anchor mounted on the stern rail? Or do you > stow those for towing? I'm afraid of the anchors becoming deadly flying > objects in the case of an accident, but stowing them so they don't bang > around in the lazarette is another consideration. As part of my fall > projects, I'm also thinking about making chocks on the floor of the > lazarette for my other anchor to secure it for travel purposes (this is the > Mantus M2 that will rest on a bow roller for normal sailing once I get that > installed). Just curious about your approach for anchor storage while > towing... > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM S/V Lark > wrote: > > > https://1drv.ms/w/s!AhRfVyncNLyhwisUjNvaytzjKtJF?e=shEUc1 > > > > > > I don't know if this will work. If, the short version is my motor > mount > > rails do not compensate for the slight bow to the transom. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > Alex Cole > > S/V Lark > > -- > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 20:57:57 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 19:57:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: References: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Chris, thanks for letting me know. If it has worked well for your many adventures, then it must be a good setup! Just curious, what type of backing board (material / thickness) did you use to mount the anchor against the front of the lazarette? How did you attach the backing board to the lazarette? I had considered epoxy, attaching with screws coming back from the cockpit, fiberglassing, adhesive such as 5200, or some combination of those approaches. Suggestions from the crowd are welcome. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:33 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Jesse, > I've stowed my Fortress exactly the way you described for 15 years and lots > of miles with no problems and it is very quick to get to. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Alex, thanks for sharing the project documentation. Nice job with the > > anchor mount in the lazarette. This fall, I was thinking about making a > > mount for my Fortress anchor so it would rest sideways in chocks inside > > against the front side of the lazarette. I would need to add a backing > > board to do that. My anchor tends to find its way to the bottom of the > > lazarette with stuff piled on top so I was thinking about mounting in a > > place where it wasn't likely to be blocked and I could get to it easily. > > > > This brings up another question to Peter regarding his many anchors :) > > Peter, do you trail your boat with the anchors left mounted on the bow > > roller as well as the danforth anchor mounted on the stern rail? Or do > you > > stow those for towing? I'm afraid of the anchors becoming deadly flying > > objects in the case of an accident, but stowing them so they don't bang > > around in the lazarette is another consideration. As part of my fall > > projects, I'm also thinking about making chocks on the floor of the > > lazarette for my other anchor to secure it for travel purposes (this is > the > > Mantus M2 that will rest on a bow roller for normal sailing once I get > that > > installed). Just curious about your approach for anchor storage while > > towing... > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM S/V Lark > > wrote: > > > > > https://1drv.ms/w/s!AhRfVyncNLyhwisUjNvaytzjKtJF?e=shEUc1 > > > > > > > > > I don't know if this will work. If, the short version is my motor > > mount > > > rails do not compensate for the slight bow to the transom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > Alex Cole > > > S/V Lark > > > -- > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 21:04:36 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:04:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> References: <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1599699876030-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, At long last my boat went in the water today for the first time since last October. The last couple of months she?s been in my driveway with many projects large and small. The bigger projects were putting her on blocks off the trailer for new bottom paint, my conversion to a manual motor lift and removing the centerboard to paint and replace the line and all the blocks. An experienced Rhodes friend helped me raise the mast and we motored a short distance to my sailing club. I was very pleased to see no leaks from the centerboard cap. The list was so helpful on how to do this. My friend has a Rhodes with the GBI manual lift and a motor about my HP and weight. I asked him to lift my motor and compare the pull force required. Surprisingly, he said it felt about the same. Best of all, I don?t hear the winch trying to pull itself out of the transom which I?m sure is totally a problem with my tracks not being aligned correctly because of something in my boats past. George Morgan Knotty Lady 1886/2005 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Wed Sep 9 21:14:47 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 20:14:47 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: References: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Ymmv, but every ounce I can get on the bow is good for trailering and helm mgmt. I keep my 15lb up front always, would like to get a sprtiz windlass going. My lakes are kettle lakes and getting scope on a 35degree cliff isn't "fun". I read chapman for fun, seems like peters anchors are a really good choice for our boat. On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 7:58 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Chris, thanks for letting me know. If it has worked well for your many > adventures, then it must be a good setup! Just curious, what type of > backing board (material / thickness) did you use to mount the anchor > against the front of the lazarette? How did you attach the backing board > to the lazarette? I had considered epoxy, attaching with screws coming > back from the cockpit, fiberglassing, adhesive such as 5200, or some > combination of those approaches. Suggestions from the crowd are welcome. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:33 PM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > Hey Jesse, > > I've stowed my Fortress exactly the way you described for 15 years and > lots > > of miles with no problems and it is very quick to get to. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Alex, thanks for sharing the project documentation. Nice job with the > > > anchor mount in the lazarette. This fall, I was thinking about making > a > > > mount for my Fortress anchor so it would rest sideways in chocks inside > > > against the front side of the lazarette. I would need to add a backing > > > board to do that. My anchor tends to find its way to the bottom of the > > > lazarette with stuff piled on top so I was thinking about mounting in a > > > place where it wasn't likely to be blocked and I could get to it > easily. > > > > > > This brings up another question to Peter regarding his many anchors :) > > > Peter, do you trail your boat with the anchors left mounted on the bow > > > roller as well as the danforth anchor mounted on the stern rail? Or do > > you > > > stow those for towing? I'm afraid of the anchors becoming deadly > flying > > > objects in the case of an accident, but stowing them so they don't bang > > > around in the lazarette is another consideration. As part of my fall > > > projects, I'm also thinking about making chocks on the floor of the > > > lazarette for my other anchor to secure it for travel purposes (this is > > the > > > Mantus M2 that will rest on a bow roller for normal sailing once I get > > that > > > installed). Just curious about your approach for anchor storage while > > > towing... > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM S/V Lark > > > wrote: > > > > > > > https://1drv.ms/w/s!AhRfVyncNLyhwisUjNvaytzjKtJF?e=shEUc1 > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if this will work. If, the short version is my motor > > > mount > > > > rails do not compensate for the slight bow to the transom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > Alex Cole > > > > S/V Lark > > > > -- > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Sep 9 21:24:43 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 21:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Storage While Trailering In-Reply-To: References: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <97EF14C8-78EF-4510-BD51-E27DB08323D1@sunnybeeches.com> Jesse, All three anchors stay in their ?underway? storage locations while the boat is being trailered. All are redundantly pinned and tied to the boat. They are probably about least likely items to fall off and become hazards on the highway, even in the event of an accident. Finding alternative places to safely store them would be challenging, to say the least. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 9, 2020, at 7:54 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > Alex, thanks for sharing the project documentation. Nice job with the > anchor mount in the lazarette. This fall, I was thinking about making a > mount for my Fortress anchor so it would rest sideways in chocks inside > against the front side of the lazarette. I would need to add a backing > board to do that. My anchor tends to find its way to the bottom of the > lazarette with stuff piled on top so I was thinking about mounting in a > place where it wasn't likely to be blocked and I could get to it easily. > > This brings up another question to Peter regarding his many anchors :) > Peter, do you trail your boat with the anchors left mounted on the bow > roller as well as the danforth anchor mounted on the stern rail? Or do you > stow those for towing? I'm afraid of the anchors becoming deadly flying > objects in the case of an accident, but stowing them so they don't bang > around in the lazarette is another consideration. As part of my fall > projects, I'm also thinking about making chocks on the floor of the > lazarette for my other anchor to secure it for travel purposes (this is the > Mantus M2 that will rest on a bow roller for normal sailing once I get that > installed). Just curious about your approach for anchor storage while > towing... > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 21:31:18 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 20:31:18 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anchor Storage While Trailering In-Reply-To: <97EF14C8-78EF-4510-BD51-E27DB08323D1@sunnybeeches.com> References: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <97EF14C8-78EF-4510-BD51-E27DB08323D1@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Good to know. Based on your project videos, I know you normally take the belt and suspenders approach of applying redundancy for safety and reliability. I'll keep that in mind for my fall projects. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:25 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Jesse, > > All three anchors stay in their ?underway? storage locations while the > boat is being trailered. All are redundantly pinned and tied to the boat. > They are probably about least likely items to fall off and become hazards > on the highway, even in the event of an accident. Finding alternative > places to safely store them would be challenging, to say the least. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > On Sep 9, 2020, at 7:54 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Alex, thanks for sharing the project documentation. Nice job with the > > anchor mount in the lazarette. This fall, I was thinking about making a > > mount for my Fortress anchor so it would rest sideways in chocks inside > > against the front side of the lazarette. I would need to add a backing > > board to do that. My anchor tends to find its way to the bottom of the > > lazarette with stuff piled on top so I was thinking about mounting in a > > place where it wasn't likely to be blocked and I could get to it easily. > > > > This brings up another question to Peter regarding his many anchors :) > > Peter, do you trail your boat with the anchors left mounted on the bow > > roller as well as the danforth anchor mounted on the stern rail? Or do > you > > stow those for towing? I'm afraid of the anchors becoming deadly flying > > objects in the case of an accident, but stowing them so they don't bang > > around in the lazarette is another consideration. As part of my fall > > projects, I'm also thinking about making chocks on the floor of the > > lazarette for my other anchor to secure it for travel purposes (this is > the > > Mantus M2 that will rest on a bow roller for normal sailing once I get > that > > installed). Just curious about your approach for anchor storage while > > towing... > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Sep 9 21:32:46 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 21:32:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System In-Reply-To: <1599699876030-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <9bd28fc7-4242-1f40-8659-9e9fe41a595a@generalboats.com> <50EE4429-BD0E-49BC-B529-8CCFA17AE6AE@sunnybeeches.com> <1599443390726-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <474B3CC8-00B4-4F1F-BE47-51BA308C5161@sunnybeeches.com> <1599699876030-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <756ED808-71B2-4AEF-A62F-B4FE56C326E1@sunnybeeches.com> George, Congratulations on finally splashing! I think our conversions, while perhaps not perfect, are entirely adequate. Your friend?s comment helps confirm my feeling. Now, do some sailing before it starts to snow! ?Peter > On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:04 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Peter, > > At long last my boat went in the water today for the first time since last > October. The last couple of months she?s been in my driveway with many > projects large and small. The bigger projects were putting her on blocks off > the trailer for new bottom paint, my conversion to a manual motor lift and > removing the centerboard to paint and replace the line and all the blocks. > An experienced Rhodes friend helped me raise the mast and we motored a short > distance to my sailing club. I was very pleased to see no leaks from the > centerboard cap. The list was so helpful on how to do this. > My friend has a Rhodes with the GBI manual lift and a motor about my HP and > weight. I asked him to lift my motor and compare the pull force required. > Surprisingly, he said it felt about the same. Best of all, I don?t hear the > winch trying to pull itself out of the transom which I?m sure is totally a > problem with my tracks not being aligned correctly because of something in > my boats past. > > George Morgan > Knotty Lady 1886/2005 > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gramille at tds.net Wed Sep 9 21:59:59 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:59:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: <1599703199293-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Congratulations on a major repair skillfully completed! Back to the original theme of this thread on my sail bunching up when furled, I got a new outhaul car from GM today and will report back when I install it this weekend. I suspect this will fix the problem but I will also be putting in a new sail at the beginning of next season! Mind you, the tear repair has held up pretty well considering I was out in 30 knot gusts earlier this week! Graham, s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Sep 9 22:32:26 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 22:32:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> Roger: I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around in the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection Graham, The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > ?Roger: > My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye > strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a track > stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in use? If > it works well I might copy that. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > Hi All, > > I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older (1976) > standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a simple > weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. The > bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop top. The > ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul > tackle. > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > > The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks a > lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > > > -- > John. > 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > Waco, TX > > > >>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple wrote: >> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the >> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been >> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between >> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way >> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) >> Mark >> -- >> Boston, MA >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 24318 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: > ttachment.jpg> > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 153447 bytes > Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > URL: > ttachment.jpg> From cjlowe at sssnet.com Wed Sep 9 22:47:25 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 22:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing the positive flotation In-Reply-To: <1599703199293-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <000d01d6650d$8cc158f0$a6440ad0$@ebsmed.com> <1596642738072-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1596722135557-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <59725.24.140.30.102.1599513376.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <56980.24.140.30.102.1599520451.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57007.24.140.30.102.1599520871.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57110.24.140.30.102.1599523761.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57126.24.140.30.102.1599524183.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57136.24.140.30.102.1599524426.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <57155.24.140.30.102.1599525255.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> <1599703199293-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <63258.24.140.30.102.1599706045.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Thanks, But acceptable might be a more accurate term. After three weeks, five sails and a day with over three inches of rain, the bilge is dry!!! Along the line of misery love company, looks like I'll be buying a new mainsail, too. It's been over ten years, so I've had a lot of fun for that grand. Jerry Lowe Congratulations on a major repair skillfully completed! > Back to the original theme of this thread on my sail bunching up when > furled, > I got a new outhaul car from GM today and will report back when I install > it this weekend. > I suspect this will fix the problem but I will also be putting in a new > sail > at the beginning of next season! > Mind you, the tear repair has held up pretty well considering I was out in > 30 knot gusts earlier this week! > Graham, > s/v 00Sailin > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From tavares0947 at gmail.com Wed Sep 9 22:51:27 2020 From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares) Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 22:51:27 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, Way back when, you gave me the dimensions for the height of the mast gate opening and all of the pin holes in your standard mast. I posted a drawing to the list. I have in on my laptop if anyone wants it and can't find it in the archives. Todd T tavares0947 at gmail.com On Wed, Sep 9, 2020, 5:23 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Graham, > > The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that > inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin > clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on > the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged > with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t > know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye > strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance > mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also > an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top > anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they > are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions > perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the > pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big > deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop > top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this > problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the > pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > > > ?Roger: > > My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye > > strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a > track > > stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in > use? If > > it works well I might copy that. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > > To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > > Hi All, > > > > I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older > (1976) > > standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a > simple > > weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. The > > bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop top. > The > > ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul > > tackle. > > > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > 10 > > > > From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > > > > The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks > a > > lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > > > > > > -- > > John. > > 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > > Waco, TX > > > > > > > >>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple > wrote: > >> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the > >> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been > >> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between > >> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the > way > >> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > >> Mark > >> -- > >> Boston, MA > >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 24318 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1259/a > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 153447 bytes > > Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8512c08/a > > ttachment.jpg> > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu Sep 10 08:15:06 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 12:15:06 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> References: , <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may look sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 pieces of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, the boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham actually attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang actually attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, which is vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the mast. The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching the eye strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the most mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In addition, by attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam cleat on the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use from the cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang onto the ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat downward and moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of tackle from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier to use from the cockpit. If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. When the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the pop top up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into position. In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere with a fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with its eye strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with the present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring that?s in the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the associated line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip up the front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles on the Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that will be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you are, or have access to, a certified welder. Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s ideas and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us all in anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season and it?s been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection Roger: I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around in the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection Graham, The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > ?Roger: > My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye > strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a track > stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in use? If > it works well I might copy that. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > Hi All, > > I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older (1976) > standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a simple > weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. The > bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop top. The > ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul > tackle. > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > > The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks a > lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > > > -- > John. > 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > Waco, TX > > > >>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple wrote: >> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the >> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been >> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between >> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way >> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) >> Mark >> -- >> Boston, MA >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 24318 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: > ttachment.jpg> > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 153447 bytes > Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > URL: > ttachment.jpg> From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 09:37:19 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:37:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: References: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I just used some 1/2" marine plywood thru bolted with 3/16 oval headed bolts with finishing washers. I think some 5200 would have not been a bad idea. For that matter you could probabvly dispense with the bolts and have a cleaner look. The Fortress is really quite light so either would work fine.. I did have to trim off I think about 1/2" on on the stock (the cross piece) and place a piece of routed wood (starboard would work fine) where the stock is at right angles to the hull and contacts the hull. I had an odd piece of SS. that I fixed to secure the shank that ran horizontally across the wood.; Chris G Enosis On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:58 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Chris, thanks for letting me know. If it has worked well for your many > adventures, then it must be a good setup! Just curious, what type of > backing board (material / thickness) did you use to mount the anchor > against the front of the lazarette? How did you attach the backing board > to the lazarette? I had considered epoxy, attaching with screws coming > back from the cockpit, fiberglassing, adhesive such as 5200, or some > combination of those approaches. Suggestions from the crowd are welcome. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:33 PM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > Hey Jesse, > > I've stowed my Fortress exactly the way you described for 15 years and > lots > > of miles with no problems and it is very quick to get to. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Alex, thanks for sharing the project documentation. Nice job with the > > > anchor mount in the lazarette. This fall, I was thinking about making > a > > > mount for my Fortress anchor so it would rest sideways in chocks inside > > > against the front side of the lazarette. I would need to add a backing > > > board to do that. My anchor tends to find its way to the bottom of the > > > lazarette with stuff piled on top so I was thinking about mounting in a > > > place where it wasn't likely to be blocked and I could get to it > easily. > > > > > > This brings up another question to Peter regarding his many anchors :) > > > Peter, do you trail your boat with the anchors left mounted on the bow > > > roller as well as the danforth anchor mounted on the stern rail? Or do > > you > > > stow those for towing? I'm afraid of the anchors becoming deadly > flying > > > objects in the case of an accident, but stowing them so they don't bang > > > around in the lazarette is another consideration. As part of my fall > > > projects, I'm also thinking about making chocks on the floor of the > > > lazarette for my other anchor to secure it for travel purposes (this is > > the > > > Mantus M2 that will rest on a bow roller for normal sailing once I get > > that > > > installed). Just curious about your approach for anchor storage while > > > towing... > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM S/V Lark > > > wrote: > > > > > > > https://1drv.ms/w/s!AhRfVyncNLyhwisUjNvaytzjKtJF?e=shEUc1 > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if this will work. If, the short version is my motor > > > mount > > > > rails do not compensate for the slight bow to the transom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > Alex Cole > > > > S/V Lark > > > > -- > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 10:13:05 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 09:13:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Lift Blues solved (for now) In-Reply-To: References: <1599670215761-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the details Chris. I figured I would have to put something on the hull to seat the cross piece like you mentioned. I'll report back on the project later this fall. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 8:37 AM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > I just used some 1/2" marine plywood thru bolted with 3/16 oval headed > bolts with finishing washers. I think some 5200 would have not been a bad > idea. For that matter you could probabvly dispense with the bolts and have > a cleaner look. The Fortress is really quite light so either would work > fine.. I did have to trim off I think about 1/2" on on the stock (the > cross piece) and place a piece of routed wood (starboard would work fine) > where the stock is at right angles to the hull and contacts the hull. I > had an odd piece of SS. that I fixed to secure the shank that ran > horizontally across the wood.; > > Chris G > Enosis > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 8:58 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Chris, thanks for letting me know. If it has worked well for your many > > adventures, then it must be a good setup! Just curious, what type of > > backing board (material / thickness) did you use to mount the anchor > > against the front of the lazarette? How did you attach the backing board > > to the lazarette? I had considered epoxy, attaching with screws coming > > back from the cockpit, fiberglassing, adhesive such as 5200, or some > > combination of those approaches. Suggestions from the crowd are welcome. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:33 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hey Jesse, > > > I've stowed my Fortress exactly the way you described for 15 years and > > lots > > > of miles with no problems and it is very quick to get to. > > > Chris G > > > Enosis > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 7:54 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Alex, thanks for sharing the project documentation. Nice job with > the > > > > anchor mount in the lazarette. This fall, I was thinking about > making > > a > > > > mount for my Fortress anchor so it would rest sideways in chocks > inside > > > > against the front side of the lazarette. I would need to add a > backing > > > > board to do that. My anchor tends to find its way to the bottom of > the > > > > lazarette with stuff piled on top so I was thinking about mounting > in a > > > > place where it wasn't likely to be blocked and I could get to it > > easily. > > > > > > > > This brings up another question to Peter regarding his many anchors > :) > > > > Peter, do you trail your boat with the anchors left mounted on the > bow > > > > roller as well as the danforth anchor mounted on the stern rail? Or > do > > > you > > > > stow those for towing? I'm afraid of the anchors becoming deadly > > flying > > > > objects in the case of an accident, but stowing them so they don't > bang > > > > around in the lazarette is another consideration. As part of my fall > > > > projects, I'm also thinking about making chocks on the floor of the > > > > lazarette for my other anchor to secure it for travel purposes (this > is > > > the > > > > Mantus M2 that will rest on a bow roller for normal sailing once I > get > > > that > > > > installed). Just curious about your approach for anchor storage > while > > > > towing... > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:50 AM S/V Lark > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > https://1drv.ms/w/s!AhRfVyncNLyhwisUjNvaytzjKtJF?e=shEUc1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know if this will work. If, the short version is my > motor > > > > mount > > > > > rails do not compensate for the slight bow to the transom. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > Alex Cole > > > > > S/V Lark > > > > > -- > > > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Sep 10 10:21:50 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 10:21:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> Message-ID: <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I wonder why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I am considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that Peter Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. I would be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has pictures. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection Graham, Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may look sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 pieces of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, the boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham actually attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang actually attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, which is vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the mast. The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching the eye strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the most mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In addition, by attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam cleat on the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use from the cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang onto the ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat downward and moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of tackle from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier to use from the cockpit. If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. When the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the pop top up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into position. In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere with a fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with its eye strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with the present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring that?s in the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the associated line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip up the front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles on the Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that will be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you are, or have access to, a certified welder. Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s ideas and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us all in anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season and it?s been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection Roger: I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around in the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection Graham, The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > ?Roger: > My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye > strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a track > stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in use? If > it works well I might copy that. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > Hi All, > > I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older (1976) > standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a simple > weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. The > bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop top. The > ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul > tackle. > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > > The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks a > lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > > > -- > John. > 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > Waco, TX > > > >>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple wrote: >> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the >> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been >> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between >> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way >> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) >> Mark >> -- >> Boston, MA >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 24318 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: > ttachment.jpg> > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 153447 bytes > Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > URL: > ttachment.jpg> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu Sep 10 10:40:42 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 14:40:42 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> , <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it wouldn?t interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series stainless alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold worked. It takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut thru the work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory cloth will clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor points on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: > > ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I wonder why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I am considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that Peter Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. I would be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has pictures. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > Graham, > > Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may look sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 pieces of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, the boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham actually attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang actually attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, which is vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the mast. The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching the eye strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the most mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In addition, by attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam cleat on the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use from the cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang onto the ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat downward and moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of tackle from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier to use from the cockpit. > > If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. When the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the pop top up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into position. In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere with a fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with its eye strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with the present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring that?s in the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the associated line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip up the front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles on the Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. > > Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that will be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you are, or have access to, a certified welder. > > Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s ideas and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us all in anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season and it?s been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > Roger: > I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around in the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? > > Graham Stewart > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > Graham, > > The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> ?Roger: >> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye >> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a track >> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in use? If >> it works well I might copy that. >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >> ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM >> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >> >> Hi All, >> >> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older (1976) >> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a simple >> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. The >> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop top. The >> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul >> tackle. >> >> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows >> 10 >> >> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list >> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection >> >> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks a >> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). >> >> >> -- >> John. >> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 >> Waco, TX >> >> >> >>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple wrote: >>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the >>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been >>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between >>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way >>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) >>> Mark >>> -- >>> Boston, MA >>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 24318 bytes >>> Desc: not available >>> URL: >> > ttachment.jpg> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 153447 bytes >> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg >> URL: >> > ttachment.jpg> > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Sep 10 11:55:12 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 11:55:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> Message-ID: <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> I avoided having to cut off the tab by mounting the organizer backwards, with the tab on the forward side. I don?t use the tab, but it?s not in the way there. The halyard organizer, for those who might be interested, came from Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com). I just took a look at their current selection of organizers, and none appear to have a tab with a hole for mounting a block at the centerline; only port and starboard. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Graham, > > I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it wouldn?t interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series stainless alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold worked. It takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut thru the work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory cloth will clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor points on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: >> >> ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I wonder why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I am considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that Peter Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. I would be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has pictures. >> >> Graham Stewart >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >> Kingston Ontario >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >> >> Graham, >> >> Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may look sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 pieces of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, the boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham actually attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang actually attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, which is vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the mast. The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching the eye strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the most mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In addition, by attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam cleat on the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use from the cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang onto the ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat downward and moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of tackle from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier to use from the cockpit. >> >> If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. When the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the pop top up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into position. In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere with a fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with its eye strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with the present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring that?s in the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the associated line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip up the front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles on the Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. >> >> Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that will be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you are, or have access to, a certified welder. >> >> Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s ideas and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us all in anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season and it?s been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Graham Stewart >> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >> >> Roger: >> I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around in the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? >> >> Graham Stewart >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >> >> Graham, >> >> The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >>> >>> ?Roger: >>> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye >>> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a track >>> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in use? If >>> it works well I might copy that. >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>> Kingston Ontario >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >>> ROGER PIHLAJA >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM >>> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>> >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older (1976) >>> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a simple >>> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. The >>> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop top. The >>> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul >>> tackle. >>> >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows >>> 10 >>> >>> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection >>> >>> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks a >>> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). >>> >>> >>> -- >>> John. >>> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 >>> Waco, TX >>> >>> >>> >>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple wrote: >>>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the >>>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been >>>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between >>>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way >>>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) >>>> Mark >>>> -- >>>> Boston, MA >>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 24318 bytes >>>> Desc: not available >>>> URL: >>> >> ttachment.jpg> >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 153447 bytes >>> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg >>> URL: >>> >> ttachment.jpg> >> >> From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu Sep 10 12:19:16 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:19:16 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> , <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: I bought my halyard organizer many years ago. In those days, the only version available had organizer tabs on all 4 sides. I think it was made by Dwyer. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 10, 2020, at 11:56 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?I avoided having to cut off the tab by mounting the organizer backwards, with the tab on the forward side. I don?t use the tab, but it?s not in the way there. > > The halyard organizer, for those who might be interested, came from Dwyer (www.dwyermast.com). I just took a look at their current selection of organizers, and none appear to have a tab with a hole for mounting a block at the centerline; only port and starboard. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> >> Graham, >> >> I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it wouldn?t interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series stainless alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold worked. It takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut thru the work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory cloth will clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor points on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart wrote: >>> >>> ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I wonder why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I am considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that Peter Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. I would be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has pictures. >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>> Kingston Ontario >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>> >>> Graham, >>> >>> Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may look sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 pieces of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, the boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham actually attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang actually attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, which is vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the mast. The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching the eye strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the most mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In addition, by attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam cleat on the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use from the cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang onto the ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat downward and moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of tackle from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier to use from the cockpit. >>> >>> If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. When the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the pop top up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into position. In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere with a fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with its eye strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with the present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring that?s in the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the associated line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip up the front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles on the Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. >>> >>> Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that will be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you are, or have access to, a certified welder. >>> >>> Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s ideas and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us all in anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season and it?s been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>> From: Graham Stewart >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM >>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>> >>> Roger: >>> I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around in the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? >>> >>> Graham Stewart >>> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>> >>> Graham, >>> >>> The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Roger: >>>> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye >>>> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a track >>>> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in use? If >>>> it works well I might copy that. >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of >>>> ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM >>>> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older (1976) >>>> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a simple >>>> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. The >>>> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop top. The >>>> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul >>>> tackle. >>>> >>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for Windows >>>> 10 >>>> >>>> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection >>>> >>>> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it looks a >>>> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> John. >>>> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 >>>> Waco, TX >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple wrote: >>>>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the >>>>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have been >>>>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences between >>>>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in the way >>>>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) >>>>> Mark >>>>> -- >>>>> Boston, MA >>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 24318 bytes >>>>> Desc: not available >>>>> URL: >>>> >>> ttachment.jpg> >>>> >>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg >>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>> Size: 153447 bytes >>>> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg >>>> URL: >>>> >>> ttachment.jpg> >>> >>> > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 17:01:24 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:01:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Message-ID: After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some photos of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not qualify as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the seminar involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the crowd favorite! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 379148 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 579329 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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While my local puddle does not qualify > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the seminar > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. 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Looks like a lot of smiles, proof in the pudding. We decided to stay off the drunken waters this weekend, but I am really excited about the next couple weekends, lots of boats go into storage now... Smooth wind, Tom On Thu, Sep 10, 2020, 4:01 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some photos > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not qualify > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the seminar > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. 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Apparently many powerboats have a stated vessel capacity, but vessels that don't have a stated capacity can post OR. I attached a snippet from the Iowa Boating Guide for reference. I wonder if other states have a similar requirement? http://publications.iowa.gov/15950/1/ia_handbook_entire.pdf Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 4:18 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Jesse, > > Nice pictures taken by your sailing buddies. What?s the significance or > the ?OR? lettering on the hull aft of ?ZEPHYR?? > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 5:01 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing > > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some > photos > > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > qualify > > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now > > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's > > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there > > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the > seminar > > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. 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Name: VesselCapacity.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 96764 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 18:48:08 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 17:48:08 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: I can confirm what Peter mentioned since I recently ordered mast organizer model DH288 in preparation for fall projects. I attached a photo of the one that I received in the mail. Sorry for the poor lighting in the photo. It occurs to me that I'll need to drill holes to fit the existing pattern on the tabernacle. It appears I may want to use a drill press and progressively larger bits for that given the strength of the material described in Roger's earlier post in this thread. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg wrote: > I avoided having to cut off the tab by mounting the organizer backwards, > with the tab on the forward side. I don?t use the tab, but it?s not in the > way there. > > The halyard organizer, for those who might be interested, came from Dwyer ( > www.dwyermast.com). I just took a look at their current selection of > organizers, and none appear to have a tab with a hole for mounting a block > at the centerline; only port and starboard. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > > Graham, > > > > I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step > organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it wouldn?t > interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series stainless > alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold worked. It > takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut thru the > work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory cloth will > clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor points > on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart > wrote: > >> > >> ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I wonder > why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I am > considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that Peter > Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. I would > be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has pictures. > >> > >> Graham Stewart > >> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >> Kingston Ontario > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > >> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > >> > >> Graham, > >> > >> Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may look > sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 pieces > of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, the > boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham actually > attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang actually > attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, which is > vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the mast. > The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching the eye > strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the most > mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In addition, by > attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam cleat on > the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use from the > cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang onto the > ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat downward and > moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of tackle > from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier to use > from the cockpit. > >> > >> If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it > might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. When > the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the pop top > up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into position. > In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere with a > fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with its eye > strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with the > present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring that?s in > the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and > Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the associated > line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip up the > front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles on the > Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping > around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. > >> > >> Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that will > be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you are, > or have access to, a certified welder. > >> > >> Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s ideas > and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us all in > anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season and it?s > been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> > >> Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > >> > >> From: Graham Stewart > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM > >> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > >> > >> Roger: > >> I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the > plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around in > the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? > >> > >> Graham Stewart > >> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > >> > >> Graham, > >> > >> The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that > inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin > clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on > the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged > with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t > know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye > strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance > mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also > an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top > anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they > are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions > perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the > pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big > deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop > top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this > problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the > pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. > >> > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart > wrote: > >>> > >>> ?Roger: > >>> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye > >>> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a > track > >>> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in > use? If > >>> it works well I might copy that. > >>> > >>> Graham Stewart > >>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >>> Kingston Ontario > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > >>> ROGER PIHLAJA > >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > >>> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > >>> > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older > (1976) > >>> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a > simple > >>> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. > The > >>> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop > top. The > >>> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham > downhaul > >>> tackle. > >>> > >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > >>> > >>> Roger Pihlaja > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>> > >>> Sent from Mail for > Windows > >>> 10 > >>> > >>> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > > >>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > >>> > >>> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it > looks a > >>> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> John. > >>> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > >>> Waco, TX > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple > wrote: > >>>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the > >>>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have > been > >>>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences > between > >>>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in > the way > >>>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > >>>> Mark > >>>> -- > >>>> Boston, MA > >>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > >>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > >>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > >>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > >>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>> Size: 24318 bytes > >>>> Desc: not available > >>>> URL: > >>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1259/a > >>> ttachment.jpg> > >>> > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 153447 bytes > >>> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > >>> URL: > >>> < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8512c08/a > >>> ttachment.jpg> > >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: DH288.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 73235 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Sep 10 19:35:52 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 16:35:52 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1599780952535-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Interesting. My Bucc has an aluminum CG approved plate riveted to the CB trunk (now banged and worn to illegibility) stating a capacity of six people and 6? hp maximum outboard. It?s physically possible to get that many people on her but I wouldn?t recommend it. Six HP would be silly hanging off a 500# boat. I wondered how Stan avoided having a similar fiction posted in the R-22. Sailboatdata shows a first build date of 1968 for both. Nice photos. Your jib seems cut higher then mine, allowing more overlap for a similar sail area. Have you flown other jibs to see if that creates a better slot with the main? ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Thu Sep 10 20:11:42 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 20:11:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: <1599780952535-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599780952535-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <61d4ab93-98bd-17e6-9787-c4a08c01c28f@atlanticbb.net> Simple re capacity plates. They are only required on motorized boats under 20 ft. in length. https://www.boatus.org/study-guide/boat/capacities/ Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara On 9/10/2020 7:35 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > Interesting. My Bucc has an aluminum CG approved plate riveted to the CB > trunk (now banged and worn to illegibility) stating a capacity of six > people and 6? hp maximum outboard. It?s physically possible to get that > many people on her but I wouldn?t recommend it. Six HP would be silly > hanging off a 500# boat. I wondered how Stan avoided having a similar > fiction posted in the R-22. Sailboatdata shows a first build date of 1968 > for both. > > Nice photos. Your jib seems cut higher then mine, allowing more overlap > for a similar sail area. Have you flown other jibs to see if that creates > a better slot with the main? > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Sep 10 20:58:35 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 20:58:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <647DC49E-B99C-46F6-BEAF-CCFAD6112487@sunnybeeches.com> Starting with smaller holes and gradually expanding to larger holes is the approach I usually take. I don?t know that it actually matters. Using a drill press may help to positions holes more accurately, other than that, I haven?t noticed that it matters much over using a hand drill. ?Peter > On Sep 10, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > I can confirm what Peter mentioned since I recently ordered mast organizer > model DH288 > > in > preparation for fall projects. I attached a photo of the one that I > received in the mail. Sorry for the poor lighting in the photo. It occurs > to me that I'll need to drill holes to fit the existing pattern on the > tabernacle. It appears I may want to use a drill press and progressively > larger bits for that given the strength of the material described in > Roger's earlier post in this thread. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > >> I avoided having to cut off the tab by mounting the organizer backwards, >> with the tab on the forward side. I don?t use the tab, but it?s not in the >> way there. >> >> The halyard organizer, for those who might be interested, came from Dwyer ( >> www.dwyermast.com). I just took a look at their current selection of >> organizers, and none appear to have a tab with a hole for mounting a block >> at the centerline; only port and starboard. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >>> >>> Graham, >>> >>> I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step >> organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it wouldn?t >> interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series stainless >> alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold worked. It >> takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut thru the >> work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory cloth will >> clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor points >> on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart >> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I wonder >> why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I am >> considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that Peter >> Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. I would >> be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has pictures. >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>>> >>>> Graham, >>>> >>>> Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may look >> sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 pieces >> of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, the >> boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham actually >> attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang actually >> attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, which is >> vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the mast. >> The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching the eye >> strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the most >> mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In addition, by >> attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam cleat on >> the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use from the >> cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang onto the >> ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat downward and >> moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of tackle >> from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier to use >> from the cockpit. >>>> >>>> If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it >> might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. When >> the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the pop top >> up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into position. >> In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere with a >> fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with its eye >> strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with the >> present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring that?s in >> the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and >> Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the associated >> line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip up the >> front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles on the >> Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping >> around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. >>>> >>>> Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that will >> be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you are, >> or have access to, a certified welder. >>>> >>>> Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s ideas >> and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us all in >> anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season and it?s >> been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Graham Stewart >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM >>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>>> >>>> Roger: >>>> I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the >> plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around in >> the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>>> >>>> Graham, >>>> >>>> The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that >> inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin >> clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on >> the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged >> with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t >> know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye >> strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance >> mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also >> an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top >> anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they >> are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions >> perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the >> pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big >> deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop >> top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this >> problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the >> pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Roger: >>>>> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye >>>>> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a >> track >>>>> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in >> use? If >>>>> it works well I might copy that. >>>>> >>>>> Graham Stewart >>>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>>> Kingston Ontario >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of >>>>> ROGER PIHLAJA >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM >>>>> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older >> (1976) >>>>> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a >> simple >>>>> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. >> The >>>>> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop >> top. The >>>>> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham >> downhaul >>>>> tackle. >>>>> >>>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] >>>>> >>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for >> Windows >>>>> 10 >>>>> >>>>> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection >>>>> >>>>> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it >> looks a >>>>> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John. >>>>> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 >>>>> Waco, TX >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple >> wrote: >>>>>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the >>>>>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have >> been >>>>>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences >> between >>>>>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in >> the way >>>>>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Boston, MA >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 24318 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: >>>>> < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1259/a >>>>> ttachment.jpg> >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 153447 bytes >>>>> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg >>>>> URL: >>>>> < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8512c08/a >>>>> ttachment.jpg> >>>> >>>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DH288.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 73235 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 21:08:52 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 20:08:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: <1599780952535-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599780952535-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Alex, now that you mention it, I think you're right that my genoa appears to be cut a bit higher when I compare it to what I see in photos of other R22s. This is the 130% that came with the boat. The PBO had replaced the 175% with this sail. When I got the boat, the foresail had a greenish tint presumably due to humidity at it's prior home in Florida. Last winter I sent it to Sail Care for cleaning and it came back looking great. I've got the GB furler where you need to attach the jib using a metal loop that screws into the furler. This spring when putting the foresail back on, I noticed that my sail must have come back slightly smaller since the original attachment point at the bottom was now too low to reach, so I had to attach it a few inches higher. Apparently something about the cleaning process made the sail shrink slightly. I'm no expert on sail trim / design and have not tried any other foresails on my boat so I can't speak to relative performance. Thanks to Mary for the explanation on boat capacities. On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 6:35 PM S/V Lark wrote: > Interesting. My Bucc has an aluminum CG approved plate riveted to the CB > trunk (now banged and worn to illegibility) stating a capacity of six > people and 6? hp maximum outboard. It?s physically possible to get that > many people on her but I wouldn?t recommend it. Six HP would be silly > hanging off a 500# boat. I wondered how Stan avoided having a similar > fiction posted in the R-22. Sailboatdata shows a first build date of > 1968 > for both. > > Nice photos. Your jib seems cut higher then mine, allowing more overlap > for a similar sail area. Have you flown other jibs to see if that > creates > a better slot with the main? > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Thu Sep 10 21:36:14 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 18:36:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: <61d4ab93-98bd-17e6-9787-c4a08c01c28f@atlanticbb.net> References: <1599780952535-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <61d4ab93-98bd-17e6-9787-c4a08c01c28f@atlanticbb.net> Message-ID: <1599788174432-0.post@n5.nabble.com> You?re so smart. Sailboats are exempt but Chrysler wanted to be able to sell Chrysler outboards to put on Chrysler sailboats, towed by an Imperial. The world makes perfect sense. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Sep 10 21:40:17 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 21:40:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. Chris G Enosis On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some photos > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not qualify > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the seminar > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the crowd > favorite! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 379148 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 579329 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 587340 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0002.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 415946 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0003.jpg > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Sep 10 22:44:04 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2020 22:44:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: <647DC49E-B99C-46F6-BEAF-CCFAD6112487@sunnybeeches.com> References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> <647DC49E-B99C-46F6-BEAF-CCFAD6112487@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <008001d687e5$6b54fa00$41feee00$@ca> I like to use a step bit to gradually drill a larger hole in metal without having to change bits. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection Starting with smaller holes and gradually expanding to larger holes is the approach I usually take. I don?t know that it actually matters. Using a drill press may help to positions holes more accurately, other than that, I haven?t noticed that it matters much over using a hand drill. ?Peter > On Sep 10, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > I can confirm what Peter mentioned since I recently ordered mast organizer > model DH288 > > in > preparation for fall projects. I attached a photo of the one that I > received in the mail. Sorry for the poor lighting in the photo. It occurs > to me that I'll need to drill holes to fit the existing pattern on the > tabernacle. It appears I may want to use a drill press and progressively > larger bits for that given the strength of the material described in > Roger's earlier post in this thread. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > >> I avoided having to cut off the tab by mounting the organizer backwards, >> with the tab on the forward side. I don?t use the tab, but it?s not in the >> way there. >> >> The halyard organizer, for those who might be interested, came from Dwyer ( >> www.dwyermast.com). I just took a look at their current selection of >> organizers, and none appear to have a tab with a hole for mounting a block >> at the centerline; only port and starboard. >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >>> >>> Graham, >>> >>> I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step >> organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it wouldn?t >> interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series stainless >> alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold worked. It >> takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut thru the >> work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory cloth will >> clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor points >> on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart >> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I wonder >> why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I am >> considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that Peter >> Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. I would >> be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has pictures. >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>> Kingston Ontario >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>>> >>>> Graham, >>>> >>>> Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may look >> sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 pieces >> of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, the >> boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham actually >> attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang actually >> attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, which is >> vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the mast. >> The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching the eye >> strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the most >> mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In addition, by >> attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam cleat on >> the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use from the >> cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang onto the >> ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat downward and >> moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of tackle >> from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier to use >> from the cockpit. >>>> >>>> If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it >> might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. When >> the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the pop top >> up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into position. >> In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere with a >> fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with its eye >> strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with the >> present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring that?s in >> the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and >> Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the associated >> line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip up the >> front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles on the >> Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping >> around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. >>>> >>>> Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that will >> be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you are, >> or have access to, a certified welder. >>>> >>>> Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s ideas >> and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us all in >> anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season and it?s >> been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >>>> >>>> From: Graham Stewart >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM >>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>>> >>>> Roger: >>>> I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the >> plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around in >> the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? >>>> >>>> Graham Stewart >>>> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>>> >>>> Graham, >>>> >>>> The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that >> inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair pin >> clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension on >> the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came rigged >> with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I don?t >> know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the eye >> strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance >> mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is also >> an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the top >> anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they >> are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions >> perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise the >> pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big >> deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the pop >> top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved this >> problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of the >> pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. >>>> >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> ?Roger: >>>>> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or eye >>>>> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a >> track >>>>> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in >> use? If >>>>> it works well I might copy that. >>>>> >>>>> Graham Stewart >>>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 >>>>> Kingston Ontario >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On >> Behalf Of >>>>> ROGER PIHLAJA >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM >>>>> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection >>>>> >>>>> Hi All, >>>>> >>>>> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older >> (1976) >>>>> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a >> simple >>>>> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. >> The >>>>> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop >> top. The >>>>> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham >> downhaul >>>>> tackle. >>>>> >>>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] >>>>> >>>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>>>> >>>>> Sent from Mail for >> Windows >>>>> 10 >>>>> >>>>> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list>> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection >>>>> >>>>> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it >> looks a >>>>> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John. >>>>> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 >>>>> Waco, TX >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple >> wrote: >>>>>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to the >>>>>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have >> been >>>>>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences >> between >>>>>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in >> the way >>>>>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Boston, MA >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>>> Size: 24318 bytes >>>>>> Desc: not available >>>>>> URL: >>>>> < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1259/a >>>>> ttachment.jpg> >>>>> >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg >>>>> Type: image/jpeg >>>>> Size: 153447 bytes >>>>> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg >>>>> URL: >>>>> < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8512c08/a >>>>> ttachment.jpg> >>>> >>>> >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DH288.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 73235 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 08:42:44 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 07:42:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: <008001d687e5$6b54fa00$41feee00$@ca> References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> <647DC49E-B99C-46F6-BEAF-CCFAD6112487@sunnybeeches.com> <008001d687e5$6b54fa00$41feee00$@ca> Message-ID: Thanks for the tips. I may give the step bit a try. On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:44 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > I like to use a step bit to gradually drill a larger hole in metal without > having to change bits. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Peter Nyberg > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:59 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > Starting with smaller holes and gradually expanding to larger holes is the > approach I usually take. I don?t know that it actually matters. > > Using a drill press may help to positions holes more accurately, other > than that, I haven?t noticed that it matters much over using a hand drill. > > ?Peter > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I can confirm what Peter mentioned since I recently ordered mast > organizer > > model DH288 > > < > https://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=40&cat1Name=Hardware&familyID=19&familyName=Halyard+Organizer+Plates > > > > in > > preparation for fall projects. I attached a photo of the one that I > > received in the mail. Sorry for the poor lighting in the photo. It > occurs > > to me that I'll need to drill holes to fit the existing pattern on the > > tabernacle. It appears I may want to use a drill press and > progressively > > larger bits for that given the strength of the material described in > > Roger's earlier post in this thread. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg > > wrote: > > > >> I avoided having to cut off the tab by mounting the organizer backwards, > >> with the tab on the forward side. I don?t use the tab, but it?s not in > the > >> way there. > >> > >> The halyard organizer, for those who might be interested, came from > Dwyer ( > >> www.dwyermast.com). I just took a look at their current selection of > >> organizers, and none appear to have a tab with a hole for mounting a > block > >> at the centerline; only port and starboard. > >> > >> Peter Nyberg > >> Coventry, CT > >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> > >>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> Graham, > >>> > >>> I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step > >> organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it wouldn?t > >> interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series > stainless > >> alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold > worked. It > >> takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut thru > the > >> work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory cloth will > >> clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor > points > >> on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. > >>> > >>> Roger Pihlaja > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart > >> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I wonder > >> why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I am > >> considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that > Peter > >> Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. I > would > >> be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has > pictures. > >>>> > >>>> Graham Stewart > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >>>> Kingston Ontario > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > >>>> > >>>> Graham, > >>>> > >>>> Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may look > >> sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 > pieces > >> of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, the > >> boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham > actually > >> attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang > actually > >> attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, which is > >> vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the mast. > >> The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching the > eye > >> strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the most > >> mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In addition, > by > >> attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam cleat > on > >> the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use from > the > >> cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang onto > the > >> ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat downward > and > >> moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of > tackle > >> from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier to > use > >> from the cockpit. > >>>> > >>>> If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it > >> might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. > When > >> the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the pop > top > >> up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into > position. > >> In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere with a > >> fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with its > eye > >> strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with the > >> present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring that?s in > >> the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and > >> Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the > associated > >> line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip up > the > >> front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles on > the > >> Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping > >> around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. > >>>> > >>>> Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that > will > >> be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you > are, > >> or have access to, a certified welder. > >>>> > >>>> Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s ideas > >> and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us all in > >> anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season and > it?s > >> been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. > >>>> > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >>>> > >>>> From: Graham Stewart > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM > >>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > >>>> > >>>> Roger: > >>>> I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the > >> plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around in > >> the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? > >>>> > >>>> Graham Stewart > >>>> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > >>>> > >>>> Graham, > >>>> > >>>> The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that > >> inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the hair > pin > >> clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension > on > >> the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came > rigged > >> with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I > don?t > >> know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the > eye > >> strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance > >> mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is > also > >> an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the > top > >> anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if they > >> are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions > >> perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise > the > >> pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a big > >> deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the > pop > >> top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved > this > >> problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of > the > >> pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. > >>>> > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>> > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > >>>> > >>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart > >> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> ?Roger: > >>>>> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or > eye > >>>>> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have a > >> track > >>>>> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is in > >> use? If > >>>>> it works well I might copy that. > >>>>> > >>>>> Graham Stewart > >>>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > >>>>> Kingston Ontario > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > >> Behalf Of > >>>>> ROGER PIHLAJA > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > >>>>> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi All, > >>>>> > >>>>> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my older > >> (1976) > >>>>> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a > >> simple > >>>>> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast slot. > >> The > >>>>> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop > >> top. The > >>>>> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham > >> downhaul > >>>>> tackle. > >>>>> > >>>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > >>>>> > >>>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>>>> > >>>>> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows > >>>>> 10 > >>>>> > >>>>> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > >>> > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > >>>>> > >>>>> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it > >> looks a > >>>>> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> John. > >>>>> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > >>>>> Waco, TX > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple > > >> wrote: > >>>>>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to > the > >>>>>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have > >> been > >>>>>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences > >> between > >>>>>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in > >> the way > >>>>>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > >>>>>> Mark > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Boston, MA > >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>>> Size: 24318 bytes > >>>>>> Desc: not available > >>>>>> URL: > >>>>> < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1259/a > >>>>> ttachment.jpg> > >>>>> > >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>>>> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > >>>>> Type: image/jpeg > >>>>> Size: 153447 bytes > >>>>> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > >>>>> URL: > >>>>> < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8512c08/a > >>>>> ttachment.jpg> > >>>> > >>>> > >> > >> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: DH288.JPG > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 73235 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/70648fa1/attachment.jpe > > > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Fri Sep 11 08:46:49 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:46:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Dear Rhodes How long is your shaft? Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: 1. HP 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? 3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual GB original electric GB converted E to M or M to E 3rd party parallelogram type Custom. Currently I have 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25? 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. Ric Sv Dadventure Hampton Bays NY Sent from my iPhone From mark at whipplefamily.com Fri Sep 11 08:52:42 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:52:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Hi Ric, Since I have a Saildrive I'm going to pass on the survey. I just wanted to say that I also use a Mac - I just don't use the Mac email application. I use GMail in a web browser (Chrome) and I have no problems with images. Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott wrote: > Dear Rhodes > How long is your shaft? > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > 1. HP > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > 3. Motor mount type > Ex. GB original/ manual > GB original electric > GB converted E to M or M to E > 3rd party parallelogram type > Custom. > Currently I have > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > 2. 25? > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > associated photos with replies. > I?ll report findings to da list. > Ric > Sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays NY > Sent from my iPhone From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 08:58:24 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 07:58:24 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric. Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch. Details including photos are at http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 Top view photo of the motor lowered and running: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's on the trailer, docked, and while sailing. On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott wrote: > Dear Rhodes > How long is your shaft? > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > 1. HP > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > 3. Motor mount type > Ex. GB original/ manual > GB original electric > GB converted E to M or M to E > 3rd party parallelogram type > Custom. > Currently I have > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > 2. 25? > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > associated photos with replies. > I?ll report findings to da list. > Ric > Sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays NY > Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor02.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 97758 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor01.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 88902 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Motor03.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 79180 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mark at whipplefamily.com Fri Sep 11 09:06:32 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:06:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> <647DC49E-B99C-46F6-BEAF-CCFAD6112487@sunnybeeches.com> <008001d687e5$6b54fa00$41feee00$@ca> Message-ID: A drill press allows you to keep a consistent angle and speed while carefully controlling the downward pressure. There's also less of a tendency for the drill bit to "walk," but I'd still use a punch to create a set point for the drill bit. I'd also suggest using cutting oil (fluid) when drilling any metal other than maybe aluminum or lead. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=cutting+oil On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:42 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for the tips. I may give the step bit a try. > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:44 PM Graham Stewart > wrote: > > > I like to use a step bit to gradually drill a larger hole in metal > without > > having to change bits. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf > > Of Peter Nyberg > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:59 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > > Starting with smaller holes and gradually expanding to larger holes is > the > > approach I usually take. I don?t know that it actually matters. > > > > Using a drill press may help to positions holes more accurately, other > > than that, I haven?t noticed that it matters much over using a hand > drill. > > > > ?Peter > > > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I can confirm what Peter mentioned since I recently ordered mast > > organizer > > > model DH288 > > > < > > > https://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=40&cat1Name=Hardware&familyID=19&familyName=Halyard+Organizer+Plates > > > > > > in > > > preparation for fall projects. I attached a photo of the one that I > > > received in the mail. Sorry for the poor lighting in the photo. It > > occurs > > > to me that I'll need to drill holes to fit the existing pattern on the > > > tabernacle. It appears I may want to use a drill press and > > progressively > > > larger bits for that given the strength of the material described in > > > Roger's earlier post in this thread. > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg > > > wrote: > > > > > >> I avoided having to cut off the tab by mounting the organizer > backwards, > > >> with the tab on the forward side. I don?t use the tab, but it?s not > in > > the > > >> way there. > > >> > > >> The halyard organizer, for those who might be interested, came from > > Dwyer ( > > >> www.dwyermast.com). I just took a look at their current selection of > > >> organizers, and none appear to have a tab with a hole for mounting a > > block > > >> at the centerline; only port and starboard. > > >> > > >> Peter Nyberg > > >> Coventry, CT > > >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > >> > > >>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> Graham, > > >>> > > >>> I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step > > >> organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it wouldn?t > > >> interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series > > stainless > > >> alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold > > worked. It > > >> takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut thru > > the > > >> work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory cloth > will > > >> clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor > > points > > >> on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. > > >>> > > >>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart > > >> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I > wonder > > >> why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I am > > >> considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that > > Peter > > >> Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. I > > would > > >> be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has > > pictures. > > >>>> > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > >>>> Kingston Ontario > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM > > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > >>>> > > >>>> Graham, > > >>>> > > >>>> Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may > look > > >> sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 > > pieces > > >> of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, > the > > >> boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham > > actually > > >> attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang > > actually > > >> attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, which > is > > >> vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the > mast. > > >> The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching the > > eye > > >> strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the > most > > >> mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In > addition, > > by > > >> attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam cleat > > on > > >> the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use from > > the > > >> cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang onto > > the > > >> ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat > downward > > and > > >> moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of > > tackle > > >> from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier to > > use > > >> from the cockpit. > > >>>> > > >>>> If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it > > >> might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. > > When > > >> the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the pop > > top > > >> up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into > > position. > > >> In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere > with a > > >> fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with its > > eye > > >> strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with > the > > >> present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring that?s > in > > >> the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and > > >> Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the > > associated > > >> line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip up > > the > > >> front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles > on > > the > > >> Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping > > >> around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. > > >>>> > > >>>> Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that > > will > > >> be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you > > are, > > >> or have access to, a certified welder. > > >>>> > > >>>> Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s ideas > > >> and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us all > in > > >> anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season and > > it?s > > >> been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. > > >>>> > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from Mail for > > >> Windows 10 > > >>>> > > >>>> From: Graham Stewart > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM > > >>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > >>>> > > >>>> Roger: > > >>>> I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to the > > >> plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop around > in > > >> the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? > > >>>> > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > >>>> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM > > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > >>>> > > >>>> Graham, > > >>>> > > >>>> The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip that > > >> inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the > hair > > pin > > >> clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have tension > > on > > >> the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came > > rigged > > >> with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I > > don?t > > >> know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for the > > eye > > >> strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a ?performance > > >> mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There is > > also > > >> an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for the > > top > > >> anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if > they > > >> are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions > > >> perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to raise > > the > > >> pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a > big > > >> deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of the > > pop > > >> top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved > > this > > >> problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top of > > the > > >> pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. > > >>>> > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>>> > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>>> > > >>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>> ?Roger: > > >>>>> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring or > > eye > > >>>>> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you have > a > > >> track > > >>>>> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is > in > > >> use? If > > >>>>> it works well I might copy that. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Graham Stewart > > >>>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > >>>>> Kingston Ontario > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > >> Behalf Of > > >>>>> ROGER PIHLAJA > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > > >>>>> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Hi All, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my > older > > >> (1976) > > >>>>> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, it's a > > >> simple > > >>>>> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast > slot. > > >> The > > >>>>> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the pop > > >> top. The > > >>>>> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham > > >> downhaul > > >>>>> tackle. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Sent from Mail for > > >> Windows > > >>>>> 10 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > >>> > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > > >>>>> > > >>>>> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but it > > >> looks a > > >>>>> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> John. > > >>>>> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > > >>>>> Waco, TX > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple < > mark at whipplefamily.com > > > > > >> wrote: > > >>>>>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top to > > the > > >>>>>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may have > > >> been > > >>>>>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences > > >> between > > >>>>>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape in > > >> the way > > >>>>>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > > >>>>>> Mark > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> Boston, MA > > >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>>>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>>>> Size: 24318 bytes > > >>>>>> Desc: not available > > >>>>>> URL: > > >>>>> < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1259/a > > >>>>> ttachment.jpg> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>>>> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > > >>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>>>> Size: 153447 bytes > > >>>>> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > > >>>>> URL: > > >>>>> < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8512c08/a > > >>>>> ttachment.jpg> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >> > > >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: DH288.JPG > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 73235 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/70648fa1/attachment.jpe > > > > > > > > > > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 09:32:29 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:32:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric, I have a Yamaha 8hp. ,4cycle, 20" shaft, electric start and electric tilt. It weighs in at 117 pounds. The KingStarboard rails on the lift have been replaced with aluminium. I think the motor is a 2005 model . The boat is an 86. The lift is manual. Cary Tolbert Radford, VA On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:58 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric. > > Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch. Details including photos > are at > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > Top view photo of the motor lowered and running: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg > > I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's > on the trailer, docked, and while sailing. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > Dear Rhodes > > How long is your shaft? > > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > > 1. HP > > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > > 3. Motor mount type > > Ex. GB original/ manual > > GB original electric > > GB converted E to M or M to E > > 3rd party parallelogram type > > Custom. > > Currently I have > > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > > 2. 25? > > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > > > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > > associated photos with replies. > > I?ll report findings to da list. > > Ric > > Sv Dadventure > > Hampton Bays NY > > Sent from my iPhone > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor02.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 97758 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor01.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 88902 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0001.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor03.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 79180 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0002.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The KingStarboard rails on the lift have been replaced with aluminium. I think the motor is a 2005 model . The boat is an 86. The lift is manual. Cary Tolbert Radford, VA On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:58 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric. > > Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch. Details including photos > are at > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > Top view photo of the motor lowered and running: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg > > I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's > on the trailer, docked, and while sailing. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > Dear Rhodes > > How long is your shaft? > > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > > 1. HP > > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > > 3. Motor mount type > > Ex. GB original/ manual > > GB original electric > > GB converted E to M or M to E > > 3rd party parallelogram type > > Custom. > > Currently I have > > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > > 2. 25? > > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > > > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > > associated photos with replies. > > I?ll report findings to da list. > > Ric > > Sv Dadventure > > Hampton Bays NY > > Sent from my iPhone > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor02.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 97758 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor01.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 88902 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0001.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor03.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 79180 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0002.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does you prop come out of the water in the waves? My 25? shaft on that same GB mount had problems in waves over 2 feet. It will spin out of the water when the stern is up and bow down. Thank you all for you replies and photos - very helpful. Ric sv Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > Ric, I have a Yamaha 8hp. ,4cycle, 20" shaft, electric start and electric > tilt. It weighs in at 117 pounds. The KingStarboard rails on the lift have > been replaced with aluminium. > I think the motor is a 2005 model . The boat is an 86. The lift is manual. > Cary Tolbert > Radford, VA > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:58 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric. >> >> Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch. Details including photos >> are at >> >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 >> >> Top view photo of the motor lowered and running: >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg >> >> I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's >> on the trailer, docked, and while sailing. >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Rhodes >>> How long is your shaft? >>> Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. >>> I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: >>> 1. HP >>> 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? >>> 3. Motor mount type >>> Ex. GB original/ manual >>> GB original electric >>> GB converted E to M or M to E >>> 3rd party parallelogram type >>> Custom. >>> Currently I have >>> 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc >>> 2. 25? >>> 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with >>> Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. >>> >>> I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any >>> associated photos with replies. >>> I?ll report findings to da list. >>> Ric >>> Sv Dadventure >>> Hampton Bays NY >>> Sent from my iPhone >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Motor02.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 97758 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment.jpe >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Motor01.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 88902 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0001.jpe >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Motor03.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 79180 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0002.jpe >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DSCN6323 (1).JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3525812 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DSCN6324 (1).JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3508545 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Sep 11 09:48:03 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:48:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <006401d68842$2c651750$852f45f0$@ebsmed.com> Yamaha F6MLHD 6 HP, 4-stroke Shaft 22.1" GB 6:1 1991 Manual (thin slot, not U-channel) 87 lbs 2 pics attached Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200602_130231.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2303172 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Weisner wrote: > Yamaha F6MLHD > 6 HP, 4-stroke > Shaft 22.1" > GB 6:1 1991 Manual (thin slot, not U-channel) > 87 lbs > > 2 pics attached > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 20200602_130231.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2303172 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/11d46b4d/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 20200602_130238.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1833453 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/11d46b4d/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I just tilt my motor when sailing and only raise it if I am heeling severely or for long sails. Even so, raising it is not particularly difficult with my spring loaded motor mount. I am not convinced that the complexity, weight and, frankly, ugliness of the power lift system offsets any advantages it offers. I might feel differently if I actually had the rig to test or needed a much heavier motor. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:47 AM To: Email List The Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear Rhodes How long is your shaft? Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: 1. HP 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? 3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual GB original electric GB converted E to M or M to E 3rd party parallelogram type Custom. Currently I have 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25? 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. Ric Sv Dadventure Hampton Bays NY Sent from my iPhone= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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GB converted E to M or M to E???????? 3rd party parallelogram type???????? Custom. Currently I have 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25?3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. RicSv DadventureHampton Bays NYSent from my iPhone From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Fri Sep 11 10:20:36 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:20:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <009d01d68846$bd6d6640$384832c0$@ca> Here is a less embarrassing picture of the motor mount after the boat was tidied up a bit. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:47 AM To: Email List The Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear Rhodes How long is your shaft? Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: 1. HP 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? 3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual GB original electric GB converted E to M or M to E 3rd party parallelogram type Custom. Currently I have 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25? 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. Ric Sv Dadventure Hampton Bays NY Sent from my iPhone= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Agile name and lettering October 2016 (2).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 107506 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 10:24:04 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:24:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Hey Ric, To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start. It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram type mount. This is for Enosis I over in Greece. The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in Smithsonian quality. It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this week. Chris Geankoplis Enosis I Red Rhodes On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott wrote: > Dear Rhodes > How long is your shaft? > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > 1. HP > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > 3. Motor mount type > Ex. GB original/ manual > GB original electric > GB converted E to M or M to E > 3rd party parallelogram type > Custom. > Currently I have > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > 2. 25? > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > associated photos with replies. > I?ll report findings to da list. > Ric > Sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays NY > Sent from my iPhone From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 10:26:55 2020 From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (luis.guzman.ve) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:26:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <5f5b86fe.1c69fb81.7c406.1cc4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5f5b8935.1c69fb81.7c406.1d3b@mx.google.com> Sorry, it is a Nissan.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: "luis.guzman.ve" Date: 9/11/20 10:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Survey 25'' 2016 9Hp Tohatsu Manual/electric start and alternator.?Parallelogram type manual mount that I want to replace.S/V 1983 AquetxaliSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device-------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott Date: 9/11/20 8:46 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Email List The Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear RhodesHow long is your shaft?Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:1. HP2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25?3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual??????? GB original electric??????? GB converted E to M or M to E???????? 3rd party parallelogram type???????? Custom. Currently I have 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25?3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. RicSv DadventureHampton Bays NYSent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200911_102344.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3931479 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dlet3 at aol.com Fri Sep 11 10:31:25 2020 From: dlet3 at aol.com (Dana LeTendre) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:31:25 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ric, My current Rhodes has a 6 hp Mercury 4-stroke, long shaft (25?), mounted on a spring-loaded parallelogram style mount (customized by me). Sorry no pics because the boat is in Belize and I?m not. Dana LeTendre Caye Dreams Sent from my iPad ???????? On Sep 11, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: ?Hey Ric, To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start. It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram type mount. This is for Enosis I over in Greece. The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in Smithsonian quality. It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this week. Chris Geankoplis Enosis I Red Rhodes > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott wrote: > > Dear Rhodes > How long is your shaft? > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > 1. HP > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > 3. Motor mount type > Ex. GB original/ manual > GB original electric > GB converted E to M or M to E > 3rd party parallelogram type > Custom. > Currently I have > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > 2. 25? > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > associated photos with replies. > I?ll report findings to da list. > Ric > Sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays NY > Sent from my iPhone From retiredtoby at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 10:34:43 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:34:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric, I took the broken starboard parts to a machine shop and they replicated Same thickness , so it should have a lot more strength and regidity. The existing spacers (the gray plastic ) I re used. Good Luck. Let us know what you end up doing On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 10:24 AM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Ric, > To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start. > It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram type > mount. This is for Enosis I over in Greece. > The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp > Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in > Smithsonian quality. > It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this week. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis I > Red Rhodes > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > Dear Rhodes > > How long is your shaft? > > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > > 1. HP > > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > > 3. Motor mount type > > Ex. GB original/ manual > > GB original electric > > GB converted E to M or M to E > > 3rd party parallelogram type > > Custom. > > Currently I have > > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > > 2. 25? > > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > > > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > > associated photos with replies. > > I?ll report findings to da list. > > Ric > > Sv Dadventure > > Hampton Bays NY > > Sent from my iPhone > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Fri Sep 11 10:51:10 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Richard Stott) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:51:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I doubt the sail shrunk. It looks to me like your jib is attached higher, near the masthead so the foot is also higher. I think it might be possible to lower the whole sail on the fuller tube. - If you want to. Pros & cons. Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing >> my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some photos >> of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not qualify >> as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for >> sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now >> hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's >> always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there >> was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the seminar >> involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the crowd >> favorite! >> >> Jesse Shumaker >> S/V Zephyr >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 379148 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment.jpg >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 579329 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0001.jpg >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 587340 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0002.jpg >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 415946 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0003.jpg >>> >> From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Sep 11 10:51:42 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:51:42 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Interesting to see the varieties. I forgot.to mention, I have not seen any issues with the prop getting airborne yet. Here is another photo. IMG_2955.jpg On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 9:34 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Ric, I took the broken starboard parts to a machine shop and they > replicated > Same thickness , so it should have a lot more strength and regidity. The > existing spacers (the gray plastic ) I re used. > Good Luck. Let us know what you end up doing > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 10:24 AM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > Hey Ric, > > To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start. > > It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram > type > > mount. This is for Enosis I over in Greece. > > The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp > > Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in > > Smithsonian quality. > > It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this > week. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis I > > Red Rhodes > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Rhodes > > > How long is your shaft? > > > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > > > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > > > 1. HP > > > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > > > 3. Motor mount type > > > Ex. GB original/ manual > > > GB original electric > > > GB converted E to M or M to E > > > 3rd party parallelogram type > > > Custom. > > > Currently I have > > > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > > > 2. 25? > > > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type > with > > > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > > > > > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > > > associated photos with replies. > > > I?ll report findings to da list. > > > Ric > > > Sv Dadventure > > > Hampton Bays NY > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > From rlowe at vt.edu Fri Sep 11 12:05:41 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:05:41 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: 9.9hp electric start 20" GB mount with electric winch raising system. 2003 model year. It's a high thrust motor which I don't care for. Can't motor slow enough in close quarters. I'm thinking of finding a smaller prop to reduce the thrust but have not done it yet. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Ric Stott Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:47 AM To: Email List The Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear Rhodes How long is your shaft? Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: 1. HP 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? 3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual GB original electric GB converted E to M or M to E 3rd party parallelogram type Custom. Currently I have 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25? 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. Ric Sv Dadventure Hampton Bays NY Sent from my iPhone From rlowe at vt.edu Fri Sep 11 12:18:36 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:18:36 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <006401d68842$2c651750$852f45f0$@ebsmed.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> <006401d68842$2c651750$852f45f0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Michael, On your motor, I see you have a safety chain attached. Do you lock your motor? I've got a padlock I use on mine. If you align the black 'ears' on the motor mount tightening bolts you can get lock on them. Having had a motor taken off my boat, while it was in the marina, I now make sure mine stays locked. Just a thought. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:48 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Yamaha F6MLHD 6 HP, 4-stroke Shaft 22.1" GB 6:1 1991 Manual (thin slot, not U-channel) 87 lbs 2 pics attached Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200602_130231.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2303172 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200602_130238.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1833453 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Sep 11 13:27:07 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:27:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> <006401d68842$2c651750$852f45f0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: <002301d68860$c6f34d00$54d9e700$@ebsmed.com> Rob, I never thought about running the lock through the black ears. Belts and suspenders? Currently, the lock connecting the safety chain is run through the safety restraint bracket as called out in the manual (see attached). With tools, one could unbolt the bracket, but then, the chain is run through the stern rail which can also be removed with tools. Wind Lass is on a mooring making it difficult to remove an 87 lbs. engine and transport it to land. It's a 2005, although it runs perfectly, now that I cleaned and rebuilt the carb. The idle jet was probably clogged as long as I have owned it (2011) since it would not idle without stalling previously. Now, it purrs. Changing gears is a dream. I no longer fight with the throttle-shift interlock and tight quarters maneuvering is simple. I would miss her if stolen. That's what insurance is for, I suppose. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:19 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Michael, On your motor, I see you have a safety chain attached. Do you lock your motor? I've got a padlock I use on mine. If you align the black 'ears' on the motor mount tightening bolts you can get lock on them. Having had a motor taken off my boat, while it was in the marina, I now make sure mine stays locked. Just a thought. Rob -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I have to reach around the wheel to adjust the main sheet. There's actually a Lewmar rope clutch mounted to the top of the wheel pedestal that may have been for the main sheet at some point but it doesn't work with the current rigging. Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:53 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Do you have a traveler? Is it connected to the wheel pedestal? > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Mark Whipple > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:34 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat > > Since I seem to be one of the only (THE only?) R22 with a wheel, here's > another picture. The boat actually cam with two wheels, and I switched to > the bigger one last week. It's much better for me because I don't have to > lean down to hold the wheel, and I can easily reach it from the captain's > chairs. Unlike the one that was installed on the boat when I got it, this > one is wrapped with something like leather (elk skin maybe?) and two sides > fold in if you want a little more room at anchor. > > That reminds me of another question: as nice as the captain's chairs are, > do you find that they tend to push the boat down at the stern even when not > motoring? I'm inclined to remove the wheel anyway, but I'm thinking with a > tiller extension I could sit a little more forward in the cockpit to > balance the weight a bit more fore and aft. What are your > thoughts/experiences? > > Thanks, > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: rhodes 09 08 20.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 234796 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/63206c37/attachment.jpg > > > > From stan at generalboats.com Fri Sep 11 14:50:16 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:50:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: <1599780952535-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1599780952535-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: On 9/10/20 7:35 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > Interesting. My Bucc has an aluminum CG approved plate riveted to the CB > trunk (now banged and worn to illegibility) stating a capacity of six > people and 6? hp maximum outboard. It?s physically possible to get that > many people on her but I wouldn?t recommend it. Six HP would be silly > hanging off a 500# boat. I wondered how Stan avoided having a similar > fiction posted in the R-22. Sailboatdata shows a first build date of 1968 > for both. > > Nice photos. Your jib seems cut higher then mine, allowing more overlap > for a similar sail area. Have you flown other jibs to see if that creates > a better slot with the main? > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri Sep 11 15:56:14 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 19:56:14 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Jessie, As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa?s leech can be cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you may have it too tight. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Geankoplis Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. Chris G Enosis On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some photos > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not qualify > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the seminar > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. 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Weisner) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:18:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: <005401d68878$b851a5e0$28f4f1a0$@ebsmed.com> I showed the photos to a friend who would like to buy a Rhodes 22. He turned to me and said, "Why don't your sails look like those? They're much prettier with the curled edge making it look like a real sailboat. Also, you can see completely under the genoa. You don't have to look through the silly little window. I want my boat to have sails like those." Hmmm ... I think that he's right. They are more picturesque than the way that I learned to trim sails. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:56 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Hi Jessie, As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa's leech can be cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you may have it too tight. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium From mike at traildesign.com Fri Sep 11 16:40:38 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: <005401d68878$b851a5e0$28f4f1a0$@ebsmed.com> References: <005401d68878$b851a5e0$28f4f1a0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Hey everyone. I don?t mean to hijack Jessie?s awesome boat pics thread, but Roger and Mike?s comments about sail trim have me intrigued and I?m wondering if you would share some more of your sail trim wisdom with me. When I took sailing classes a year or so ago I remember we talked about the points of sail, but can't recall ever covering sail trim when actually out on the water. I assumed the curve in the sails was supposed to be there. Mike Riter SV Emma B On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:18 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > I showed the photos to a friend who would like to buy a Rhodes 22. He > turned > > to me and said, "Why don't your sails look like those? They're much > prettier > > with the curled edge making it look like a real sailboat. Also, you can see > > completely under the genoa. You don't have to look through the silly little > > window. I want my boat to have sails like those." > > > > Hmmm ... I think that he's right. They are more picturesque than the way > > that I learned to trim sails. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER > > PIHLAJA > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:56 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake > > Manawa > > > > Hi Jessie, > > > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like pretty > > light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the leech > on > > your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get the > twist > > out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward and > > tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa's leech can be cured by > > moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you may have it > > too tight. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > -- Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Sep 11 16:56:33 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:56:33 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: <005401d68878$b851a5e0$28f4f1a0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Depending on the point of sail.... I'm a novice.... You will want that tight as to not dump wind. Sometimes you want a bag (downwind), sometimes you want a wing( upwind). I better step away and let the professionals handle the finer details. On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:40 PM Mike Riter wrote: > Hey everyone. I don?t mean to hijack Jessie?s awesome boat pics thread, but > Roger and Mike?s comments about sail trim have me intrigued and I?m > wondering if you would share some more of your sail trim wisdom with me. > When I took sailing classes a year or so ago I remember we talked about the > points of sail, but can't recall ever covering sail trim when actually out > on the water. I assumed the curve in the sails was supposed to be there. > > Mike Riter > SV Emma B > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:18 PM Michael D. Weisner > wrote: > > > I showed the photos to a friend who would like to buy a Rhodes 22. He > > turned > > > > to me and said, "Why don't your sails look like those? They're much > > prettier > > > > with the curled edge making it look like a real sailboat. Also, you can > see > > > > completely under the genoa. You don't have to look through the silly > little > > > > window. I want my boat to have sails like those." > > > > > > > > Hmmm ... I think that he's right. They are more picturesque than the way > > > > that I learned to trim sails. > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > ROGER > > > > PIHLAJA > > > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:56 PM > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > Lake > > > > Manawa > > > > > > > > Hi Jessie, > > > > > > > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > > > > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > > > > > > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like > pretty > > > > light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the leech > > on > > > > your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get the > > twist > > > > out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward and > > > > tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa's leech can be cured > by > > > > moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you may have > it > > > > too tight. > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 > From mike at traildesign.com Fri Sep 11 17:23:13 2020 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:23:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: <005401d68878$b851a5e0$28f4f1a0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Thanks Tom. That makes sense. It?s the manipulation of the wing shape that has me baffled. Don?t get me started on the traveler, I?ve experimented with moving it side to side while sailing upwind, but it doesn?t seem to change much of anything. Mike Riter SV Emma B On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:56 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Depending on the point of sail.... I'm a novice.... You will want that > > tight as to not dump wind. > > > > Sometimes you want a bag (downwind), sometimes you want a wing( upwind). > > > > I better step away and let the professionals handle the finer details. > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 3:40 PM Mike Riter wrote: > > > > > Hey everyone. I don?t mean to hijack Jessie?s awesome boat pics thread, > but > > > Roger and Mike?s comments about sail trim have me intrigued and I?m > > > wondering if you would share some more of your sail trim wisdom with me. > > > When I took sailing classes a year or so ago I remember we talked about > the > > > points of sail, but can't recall ever covering sail trim when actually > out > > > on the water. I assumed the curve in the sails was supposed to be there. > > > > > > Mike Riter > > > SV Emma B > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:18 PM Michael D. Weisner > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I showed the photos to a friend who would like to buy a Rhodes 22. He > > > > turned > > > > > > > > to me and said, "Why don't your sails look like those? They're much > > > > prettier > > > > > > > > with the curled edge making it look like a real sailboat. Also, you can > > > see > > > > > > > > completely under the genoa. You don't have to look through the silly > > > little > > > > > > > > window. I want my boat to have sails like those." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hmmm ... I think that he's right. They are more picturesque than the > way > > > > > > > > that I learned to trim sails. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > > > > > > > Nissequogue River, NY > > > > > > > > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > > > ROGER > > > > > > > > PIHLAJA > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:56 PM > > > > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > > > Lake > > > > > > > > Manawa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Jessie, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look > the > > > > > > > > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like > > > pretty > > > > > > > > light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the > leech > > > > on > > > > > > > > your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get the > > > > twist > > > > > > > > out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward and > > > > > > > > tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa's leech can be > cured > > > by > > > > > > > > moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you may > have > > > it > > > > > > > > too tight. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Michael Riter > > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > > > mike at traildesign.com > > > 678-410-8021 > > > > > -- Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 From sbauman369 at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 17:39:06 2020 From: sbauman369 at gmail.com (Steve Bauman) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:39:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <002301d68860$c6f34d00$54d9e700$@ebsmed.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> <006401d68842$2c651750$852f45f0$@ebsmed.com> <002301d68860$c6f34d00$54d9e700$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: My boat is on Sandusky Bay, Marblehead, Ohio. About my outboard: 1. 6 hp, Mariner, 2 cycle, carburated 2. I believe 20" 3. GB original/ manual (I do not enjoy pulling the rope to raise, or even coaxing the motor back down its tracks. But it works.) On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 1:27 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Rob, > > I never thought about running the lock through the black ears. Belts and > suspenders? > > Currently, the lock connecting the safety chain is run through the safety > restraint bracket as called out in the manual (see attached). With tools, > one could unbolt the bracket, but then, the chain is run through the stern > rail which can also be removed with tools. > > Wind Lass is on a mooring making it difficult to remove an 87 lbs. engine > and transport it to land. It's a 2005, although it runs perfectly, now that > I cleaned and rebuilt the carb. The idle jet was probably clogged as long > as I have owned it (2011) since it would not idle without stalling > previously. Now, it purrs. Changing gears is a dream. I no longer fight > with the throttle-shift interlock and tight quarters maneuvering is simple. > I would miss her if stolen. That's what insurance is for, I suppose. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:19 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey > > Michael, > On your motor, I see you have a safety chain attached. Do you lock your > motor? I've got a padlock I use on mine. If you align the black 'ears' on > the motor mount tightening bolts you can get lock on them. Having had a > motor taken off my boat, while it was in the marina, I now make sure mine > stays locked. Just a thought. > > Rob > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: F6MLHD Safety chain attachment.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 48946 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/7232d70b/attachment.jpe > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 17:52:27 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:52:27 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> <647DC49E-B99C-46F6-BEAF-CCFAD6112487@sunnybeeches.com> <008001d687e5$6b54fa00$41feee00$@ca> Message-ID: Mark, thanks for the tip and link regarding the cutting oil. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:06 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > A drill press allows you to keep a consistent angle and speed while > carefully controlling the downward pressure. There's also less of a > tendency for the drill bit to "walk," but I'd still use a punch to create a > set point for the drill bit. I'd also suggest using cutting oil (fluid) > when drilling any metal other than maybe aluminum or lead. > > https://www.amazon.com/s?k=cutting+oil > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:42 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for the tips. I may give the step bit a try. > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:44 PM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > > > I like to use a step bit to gradually drill a larger hole in metal > > without > > > having to change bits. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > > Of Peter Nyberg > > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:59 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > > > > Starting with smaller holes and gradually expanding to larger holes is > > the > > > approach I usually take. I don?t know that it actually matters. > > > > > > Using a drill press may help to positions holes more accurately, other > > > than that, I haven?t noticed that it matters much over using a hand > > drill. > > > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I can confirm what Peter mentioned since I recently ordered mast > > > organizer > > > > model DH288 > > > > < > > > > > > https://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=40&cat1Name=Hardware&familyID=19&familyName=Halyard+Organizer+Plates > > > > > > > > in > > > > preparation for fall projects. I attached a photo of the one that I > > > > received in the mail. Sorry for the poor lighting in the photo. It > > > occurs > > > > to me that I'll need to drill holes to fit the existing pattern on > the > > > > tabernacle. It appears I may want to use a drill press and > > > progressively > > > > larger bits for that given the strength of the material described in > > > > Roger's earlier post in this thread. > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg < > peter at sunnybeeches.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I avoided having to cut off the tab by mounting the organizer > > backwards, > > > >> with the tab on the forward side. I don?t use the tab, but it?s not > > in > > > the > > > >> way there. > > > >> > > > >> The halyard organizer, for those who might be interested, came from > > > Dwyer ( > > > >> www.dwyermast.com). I just took a look at their current selection > of > > > >> organizers, and none appear to have a tab with a hole for mounting a > > > block > > > >> at the centerline; only port and starboard. > > > >> > > > >> Peter Nyberg > > > >> Coventry, CT > > > >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >> > > > >>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Graham, > > > >>> > > > >>> I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step > > > >> organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it wouldn?t > > > >> interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series > > > stainless > > > >> alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold > > > worked. It > > > >> takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut > thru > > > the > > > >> work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory cloth > > will > > > >> clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor > > > points > > > >> on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. > > > >>> > > > >>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>> > > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > > >>> > > > >>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I > > wonder > > > >> why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I > am > > > >> considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that > > > Peter > > > >> Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. > I > > > would > > > >> be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has > > > pictures. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > >>>> Kingston Ontario > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM > > > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Graham, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may > > look > > > >> sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 > > > pieces > > > >> of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, > > the > > > >> boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham > > > actually > > > >> attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang > > > actually > > > >> attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, > which > > is > > > >> vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the > > mast. > > > >> The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching > the > > > eye > > > >> strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the > > most > > > >> mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In > > addition, > > > by > > > >> attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam > cleat > > > on > > > >> the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use > from > > > the > > > >> cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang > onto > > > the > > > >> ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat > > downward > > > and > > > >> moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of > > > tackle > > > >> from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier > to > > > use > > > >> from the cockpit. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it > > > >> might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. > > > When > > > >> the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the > pop > > > top > > > >> up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into > > > position. > > > >> In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere > > with a > > > >> fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with > its > > > eye > > > >> strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with > > the > > > >> present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring > that?s > > in > > > >> the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and > > > >> Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the > > > associated > > > >> line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip > up > > > the > > > >> front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles > > on > > > the > > > >> Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping > > > >> around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that > > > will > > > >> be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you > > > are, > > > >> or have access to, a certified welder. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s > ideas > > > >> and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us > all > > in > > > >> anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season > and > > > it?s > > > >> been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sent from Mail > for > > > >> Windows 10 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> From: Graham Stewart > > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM > > > >>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Roger: > > > >>>> I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to > the > > > >> plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop > around > > in > > > >> the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > > >>>> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM > > > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Graham, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip > that > > > >> inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the > > hair > > > pin > > > >> clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have > tension > > > on > > > >> the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came > > > rigged > > > >> with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I > > > don?t > > > >> know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for > the > > > eye > > > >> strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a > ?performance > > > >> mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There > is > > > also > > > >> an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for > the > > > top > > > >> anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if > > they > > > >> are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions > > > >> perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to > raise > > > the > > > >> pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a > > big > > > >> deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of > the > > > pop > > > >> top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved > > > this > > > >> problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top > of > > > the > > > >> pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart > > > >> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ?Roger: > > > >>>>> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring > or > > > eye > > > >>>>> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you > have > > a > > > >> track > > > >>>>> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is > > in > > > >> use? If > > > >>>>> it works well I might copy that. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Graham Stewart > > > >>>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > >>>>> Kingston Ontario > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > >> Behalf Of > > > >>>>> ROGER PIHLAJA > > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > > > >>>>> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hi All, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my > > older > > > >> (1976) > > > >>>>> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, > it's a > > > >> simple > > > >>>>> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast > > slot. > > > >> The > > > >>>>> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the > pop > > > >> top. The > > > >>>>> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham > > > >> downhaul > > > >>>>> tackle. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Sent from Mail > for > > > >> Windows > > > >>>>> 10 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > > >>> > > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > > > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but > it > > > >> looks a > > > >>>>> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -- > > > >>>>> John. > > > >>>>> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > > > >>>>> Waco, TX > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple < > > mark at whipplefamily.com > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>>>>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top > to > > > the > > > >>>>>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may > have > > > >> been > > > >>>>>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences > > > >> between > > > >>>>>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape > in > > > >> the way > > > >>>>>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > > > >>>>>> Mark > > > >>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>> Boston, MA > > > >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > > >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > > >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>>>>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > > > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>>>>> Size: 24318 bytes > > > >>>>>> Desc: not available > > > >>>>>> URL: > > > >>>>> < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1259/a > > > >>>>> ttachment.jpg> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>>>> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > > > >>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>>>> Size: 153447 bytes > > > >>>>> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > > > >>>>> URL: > > > >>>>> < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8512c08/a > > > >>>>> ttachment.jpg> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: DH288.JPG > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 73235 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/70648fa1/attachment.jpe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 17:55:06 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:55:06 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ric, the interesting thing is that I attached the jib to the same location at the top as I did before, but the sail no longer would reach to the bottom attachment point. In the end, it all seemed to work out with just a bit more visibility. On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:51 AM Richard Stott wrote: > I doubt the sail shrunk. > It looks to me like your jib is attached higher, near the masthead so the > foot is also higher. > I think it might be possible to lower the whole sail on the fuller tube. > - If you want to. > Pros & cons. > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while > sailing > >> my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some > photos > >> of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > qualify > >> as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > >> sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is > now > >> hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) > It's > >> always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there > >> was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the > seminar > >> involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the > crowd > >> favorite! > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 379148 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment.jpg > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 579329 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0001.jpg > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 587340 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0002.jpg > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 415946 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0003.jpg > >>> > >> > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Sep 11 17:57:55 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:57:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <006301d68886$9baa41f0$d2fec5d0$@ebsmed.com> Jesse, Did you say that the PO had changed the 175% for a 130%? The attachment point for the larger sail would be much higher, I would think. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:55 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Hi Ric, the interesting thing is that I attached the jib to the same location at the top as I did before, but the sail no longer would reach to the bottom attachment point. In the end, it all seemed to work out with just a bit more visibility. On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:51 AM Richard Stott wrote: > I doubt the sail shrunk. > It looks to me like your jib is attached higher, near the masthead so > the foot is also higher. > I think it might be possible to lower the whole sail on the fuller tube. > - If you want to. > Pros & cons. > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > www.stottarchitecture.com > Office 631-283-1777 > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Chris Geankoplis > > > wrote: > > > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while > sailing > >> my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took > >> some > photos > >> of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > qualify > >> as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day > >> for sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first > >> time is > now > >> hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) > It's > >> always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - > >> there was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part > >> of the > seminar > >> involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the > crowd > >> favorite! > >> > >> Jesse Shumaker > >> S/V Zephyr > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > >> scrubbed... > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 379148 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9 > cd5/attachment.jpg > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > >> scrubbed... > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 579329 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9 > cd5/attachment-0001.jpg > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > >> scrubbed... > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 587340 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9 > cd5/attachment-0002.jpg > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > >> scrubbed... > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 415946 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9 > cd5/attachment-0003.jpg > >>> > >> > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 18:00:17 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:00:17 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: <006301d68886$9baa41f0$d2fec5d0$@ebsmed.com> References: <006301d68886$9baa41f0$d2fec5d0$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Hi Mike, yes you are correct about the PO switching out to the smaller jib and I hadn't fully considered attachment point changes. Maybe there were holes for another attachment point at the top or bottom that I just didn't see when putting the sail back on this spring. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:58 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Jesse, > > Did you say that the PO had changed the 175% for a 130%? The attachment > point for the larger sail would be much higher, I would think. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 5:55 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > Lake Manawa > > Hi Ric, the interesting thing is that I attached the jib to the same > location at the top as I did before, but the sail no longer would reach to > the bottom attachment point. In the end, it all seemed to work out with > just a bit more visibility. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 9:51 AM Richard Stott > wrote: > > > I doubt the sail shrunk. > > It looks to me like your jib is attached higher, near the masthead so > > the foot is also higher. > > I think it might be possible to lower the whole sail on the fuller tube. > > - If you want to. > > Pros & cons. > > > > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > www.stottarchitecture.com > > Office 631-283-1777 > > Cell 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Chris Geankoplis > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > > > Chris G > > > Enosis > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while > > sailing > > >> my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took > > >> some > > photos > > >> of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > > qualify > > >> as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day > > >> for sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first > > >> time is > > now > > >> hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) > > It's > > >> always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - > > >> there was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part > > >> of the > > seminar > > >> involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the > > crowd > > >> favorite! > > >> > > >> Jesse Shumaker > > >> S/V Zephyr > > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > >> scrubbed... > > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > > >> Type: image/jpeg > > >> Size: 379148 bytes > > >> Desc: not available > > >> URL: < > > >> > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9 > > cd5/attachment.jpg > > >>> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > >> scrubbed... > > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > > >> Type: image/jpeg > > >> Size: 579329 bytes > > >> Desc: not available > > >> URL: < > > >> > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9 > > cd5/attachment-0001.jpg > > >>> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > >> scrubbed... > > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > > >> Type: image/jpeg > > >> Size: 587340 bytes > > >> Desc: not available > > >> URL: < > > >> > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9 > > cd5/attachment-0002.jpg > > >>> > > >> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > >> scrubbed... > > >> Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > > >> Type: image/jpeg > > >> Size: 415946 bytes > > >> Desc: not available > > >> URL: < > > >> > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9 > > cd5/attachment-0003.jpg > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 18:04:40 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:04:40 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, thanks for the sail trim tips and the traveler instruction in particular. My to do list for this fall includes adding tell tales to the leech of the main which should help with sail trim. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jessie, > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like > pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the > leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get > the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward > and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa?s leech can be > cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you > may have it too tight. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > Lake Manawa > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing > > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some > photos > > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > qualify > > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now > > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's > > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there > > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the > seminar > > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the crowd > > favorite! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 379148 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 579329 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 587340 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 415946 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 18:08:02 2020 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:08:02 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <8FC98A15-13B3-4820-8B26-D59BD82483B2@gmail.com> I have a 9 HP Tohatsu; not sure how long the shaft is, but it?s of a sufficient length that when I lift it with the motor mount, the prop is out of the water. The motor mount is a GB original. Frank Frank Goldsmith Asheville, NC S/V ?Mary Bess? Lake Keowee, SC > On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:46 AM, Ric Stott wrote: > > Dear Rhodes > How long is your shaft? > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > 1. HP > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > 3. Motor mount type > Ex. GB original/ manual > GB original electric > GB converted E to M or M to E > 3rd party parallelogram type > Custom. > Currently I have > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > 2. 25? > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. > I?ll report findings to da list. > Ric > Sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays NY > Sent from my iPhone From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Sep 11 18:11:16 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:11:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Of all the fancy boating equipment, tell tales are super bang for your buck!!! For the cost I can't thing of anything that helps sailing as much... Lol happy Friday, On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:04 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Roger, thanks for the sail trim tips and the traveler instruction in > particular. My to do list for this fall includes adding tell tales to the > leech of the main which should help with sail trim. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Jessie, > > > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like > > pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and > the > > leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to > get > > the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to > leeward > > and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa?s leech can be > > cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you > > may have it too tight. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Chris Geankoplis > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > > Lake Manawa > > > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while > sailing > > > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some > > photos > > > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > > qualify > > > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > > > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is > now > > > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) > It's > > > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - > there > > > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the > > seminar > > > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the > crowd > > > favorite! > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 379148 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 579329 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 587340 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 415946 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Sep 11 18:13:01 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:13:01 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> <647DC49E-B99C-46F6-BEAF-CCFAD6112487@sunnybeeches.com> <008001d687e5$6b54fa00$41feee00$@ca> Message-ID: Mark, Maybe you can help with this old thought experiment I was posed to in college. Elaborate on the difference of a liquid and a fluid? :) Tvh On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 8:06 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > A drill press allows you to keep a consistent angle and speed while > carefully controlling the downward pressure. There's also less of a > tendency for the drill bit to "walk," but I'd still use a punch to create a > set point for the drill bit. I'd also suggest using cutting oil (fluid) > when drilling any metal other than maybe aluminum or lead. > > https://www.amazon.com/s?k=cutting+oil > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:42 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Thanks for the tips. I may give the step bit a try. > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:44 PM Graham Stewart > > wrote: > > > > > I like to use a step bit to gradually drill a larger hole in metal > > without > > > having to change bits. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf > > > Of Peter Nyberg > > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:59 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > > > > Starting with smaller holes and gradually expanding to larger holes is > > the > > > approach I usually take. I don?t know that it actually matters. > > > > > > Using a drill press may help to positions holes more accurately, other > > > than that, I haven?t noticed that it matters much over using a hand > > drill. > > > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > I can confirm what Peter mentioned since I recently ordered mast > > > organizer > > > > model DH288 > > > > < > > > > > > https://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=40&cat1Name=Hardware&familyID=19&familyName=Halyard+Organizer+Plates > > > > > > > > in > > > > preparation for fall projects. I attached a photo of the one that I > > > > received in the mail. Sorry for the poor lighting in the photo. It > > > occurs > > > > to me that I'll need to drill holes to fit the existing pattern on > the > > > > tabernacle. It appears I may want to use a drill press and > > > progressively > > > > larger bits for that given the strength of the material described in > > > > Roger's earlier post in this thread. > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg < > peter at sunnybeeches.com> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I avoided having to cut off the tab by mounting the organizer > > backwards, > > > >> with the tab on the forward side. I don?t use the tab, but it?s not > > in > > > the > > > >> way there. > > > >> > > > >> The halyard organizer, for those who might be interested, came from > > > Dwyer ( > > > >> www.dwyermast.com). I just took a look at their current selection > of > > > >> organizers, and none appear to have a tab with a hole for mounting a > > > block > > > >> at the centerline; only port and starboard. > > > >> > > > >> Peter Nyberg > > > >> Coventry, CT > > > >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >> > > > >>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Graham, > > > >>> > > > >>> I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step > > > >> organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it wouldn?t > > > >> interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series > > > stainless > > > >> alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold > > > worked. It > > > >> takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut > thru > > > the > > > >> work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory cloth > > will > > > >> clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor > > > points > > > >> on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. > > > >>> > > > >>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>> > > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > > >>> > > > >>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I > > wonder > > > >> why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option I > am > > > >> considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one that > > > Peter > > > >> Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my boat. > I > > > would > > > >> be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has > > > pictures. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > >>>> Kingston Ontario > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM > > > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Graham, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may > > look > > > >> sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are 2 > > > pieces > > > >> of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top slider, > > the > > > >> boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham > > > actually > > > >> attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang > > > actually > > > >> attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, > which > > is > > > >> vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the > > mast. > > > >> The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching > the > > > eye > > > >> strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the > > most > > > >> mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In > > addition, > > > by > > > >> attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam > cleat > > > on > > > >> the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use > from > > > the > > > >> cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang > onto > > > the > > > >> ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat > > downward > > > and > > > >> moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces of > > > tackle > > > >> from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang easier > to > > > use > > > >> from the cockpit. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think it > > > >> might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. i.e. > > > When > > > >> the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the > pop > > > top > > > >> up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into > > > position. > > > >> In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere > > with a > > > >> fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with > its > > > eye > > > >> strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even with > > the > > > >> present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring > that?s > > in > > > >> the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and > > > >> Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the > > > associated > > > >> line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to chip > up > > > the > > > >> front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap shackles > > on > > > the > > > >> Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start flopping > > > >> around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, that > > > will > > > >> be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope you > > > are, > > > >> or have access to, a certified welder. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s > ideas > > > >> and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us > all > > in > > > >> anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season > and > > > it?s > > > >> been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of trouble. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sent from Mail > for > > > >> Windows 10 > > > >>>> > > > >>>> From: Graham Stewart > > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM > > > >>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Roger: > > > >>>> I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to > the > > > >> plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop > around > > in > > > >> the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > > >>>> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM > > > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Graham, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip > that > > > >> inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the > > hair > > > pin > > > >> clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have > tension > > > on > > > >> the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came > > > rigged > > > >> with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. I > > > don?t > > > >> know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for > the > > > eye > > > >> strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a > ?performance > > > >> mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There > is > > > also > > > >> an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for > the > > > top > > > >> anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional if > > they > > > >> are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions > > > >> perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to > raise > > > the > > > >> pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not a > > big > > > >> deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of > the > > > pop > > > >> top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I solved > > > this > > > >> problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the top > of > > > the > > > >> pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top slider. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart > > > >> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ?Roger: > > > >>>>> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the ring > or > > > eye > > > >>>>> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you > have > > a > > > >> track > > > >>>>> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham is > > in > > > >> use? If > > > >>>>> it works well I might copy that. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Graham Stewart > > > >>>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > >>>>> Kingston Ontario > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > >> Behalf Of > > > >>>>> ROGER PIHLAJA > > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > > > >>>>> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hi All, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my > > older > > > >> (1976) > > > >>>>> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, > it's a > > > >> simple > > > >>>>> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast > > slot. > > > >> The > > > >>>>> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the > pop > > > >> top. The > > > >>>>> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham > > > >> downhaul > > > >>>>> tackle. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Sent from Mail > for > > > >> Windows > > > >>>>> 10 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > > >>> > > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > > > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but > it > > > >> looks a > > > >>>>> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -- > > > >>>>> John. > > > >>>>> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > > > >>>>> Waco, TX > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple < > > mark at whipplefamily.com > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>>>>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my pop-top > to > > > the > > > >>>>>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may > have > > > >> been > > > >>>>>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small differences > > > >> between > > > >>>>>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue tape > in > > > >> the way > > > >>>>>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > > > >>>>>> Mark > > > >>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>> Boston, MA > > > >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > > >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > > >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>>>>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > > > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>>>>> Size: 24318 bytes > > > >>>>>> Desc: not available > > > >>>>>> URL: > > > >>>>> < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1259/a > > > >>>>> ttachment.jpg> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>>>> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > > > >>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>>>> Size: 153447 bytes > > > >>>>> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > > > >>>>> URL: > > > >>>>> < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8512c08/a > > > >>>>> ttachment.jpg> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: DH288.JPG > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 73235 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/70648fa1/attachment.jpe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri Sep 11 18:22:46 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 22:22:46 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: Hi All, Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped at Bay Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, shuttled a vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, we put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to Beaver Creek Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a very exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea stacks on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled beyond the cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I have included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly endless sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to plan over again, I think I would have moved our take-out to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of paddling. The sand dunes all start to look the same after a while. 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We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters as soon as a slip opens up. At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and other work. Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? Tvh On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped at Bay > Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, shuttled a > vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, we > put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to Beaver Creek > Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River > Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a very > exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea stacks > on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled beyond the > cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I have > included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly endless > sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to plan > over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > paddling. 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http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/19344db2/attachment-0014.jpg > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 19:09:09 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:09:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, that definitely looks like it was an adventure with stunning scenery. Thanks for sharing! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped at Bay > Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, shuttled a > vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, we > put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to Beaver Creek > Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River > Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a very > exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea stacks > on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled beyond the > cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I have > included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly endless > sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to plan > over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > paddling. The sand dunes all start to look the same after a while. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > [cid:image027.png at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > > > [cid:image028.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image029.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image030.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image033.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > > > [cid:image034.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image035.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image036.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image039.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image040.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image041.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image042.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image043.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image044.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image045.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image048.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 44215D633AF9404E90ADA857B2E9D292.png > Type: image/png > 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http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/19344db2/attachment-0014.jpg > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Sep 11 19:37:34 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 19:37:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What a wonderful adventure! Chris G Enosis On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped at Bay > Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, shuttled a > vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, we > put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to Beaver Creek > Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River > Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a very > exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea stacks > on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled beyond the > cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I have > included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly endless > sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to plan > over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > paddling. The sand dunes all start to look the same after a while. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > [cid:image027.png at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > > > [cid:image028.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image029.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image030.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image033.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > > > [cid:image034.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image035.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image036.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image039.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image040.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image041.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image042.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image043.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image044.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image045.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > [cid:image048.jpg at 01D68868.74BFEE00] > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 44215D633AF9404E90ADA857B2E9D292.png > Type: image/png > 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http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/19344db2/attachment-0014.jpg > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Fri Sep 11 19:46:49 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 23:46:49 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Tom, OK, me & my boat, let?s see ? here?s a picture of me moving hand-over-hand thru a narrow crack: [cid:image004.jpg at 01D68871.F0D4FAE0] Here?s a picture of me paddling along a shear cliff: [cid:image003.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] Here?s a picture of the 4 of us at sunset at Mosquito River [cid:image007.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] If you literally meant you wanted to see a picture of my kayak, here it is by itself on the beach at Hurricane River: [cid:image010.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] The kayak is a 2013 Delta 14.5 Expedition. The nearest point on Lake Michigan to me is Ludington, which is ~117 miles from my house. If you check the R-22 archives, you will find some pictures & stories of the towing rig we use to tow the kayaks behind S/V Dynamic Equilibrium. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tom Van Heule Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip Rodger, looks like a great time with the family! Surely you didn't take one picture of your boat on the trip? We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters as soon as a slip opens up. At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and other work. Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? Tvh On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped at Bay > Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, shuttled a > vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, we > put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to Beaver Creek > Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River > Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a very > exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea stacks > on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled beyond the > cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I have > included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly endless > sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to plan > over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > paddling. 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Name: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 268390 bytes Desc: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Sep 11 19:58:09 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:58:09 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Superb Roger. I spent 20 years north of muskegon, west of 131... Coming " home" twice a year for the steelhead runs. I thought you might be in Wisconsin, but we can surely meet up someday as we're only 100 miles apart?! All the best everyone, TVH On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 6:46 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Tom, > > OK, me & my boat, let?s see ? here?s a picture of me moving hand-over-hand > thru a narrow crack: > > [cid:image004.jpg at 01D68871.F0D4FAE0] > > Here?s a picture of me paddling along a shear cliff: > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > Here?s a picture of the 4 of us at sunset at Mosquito River > > [cid:image007.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > If you literally meant you wanted to see a picture of my kayak, here it is > by itself on the beach at Hurricane River: > > [cid:image010.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > The kayak is a 2013 Delta 14.5 Expedition. > > The nearest point on Lake Michigan to me is Ludington, which is ~117 miles > from my house. If you check the R-22 archives, you will find some pictures > & stories of the towing rig we use to tow the kayaks behind S/V Dynamic > Equilibrium. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Tom Van Heule > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking > Trip > > Rodger, looks like a great time with the family! > > Surely you didn't take one picture of your boat on the trip? > > We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters as soon > as a slip opens up. > At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and other > work. > > Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? > > Tvh > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > > kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped at Bay > > Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, > shuttled a > > vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, we > > put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > > Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to Beaver > Creek > > Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River > > Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a very > > exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea stacks > > on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled beyond > the > > cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I have > > included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly > endless > > sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to plan > > over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > > to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > > paddling. 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Gary is a police detective on the Madison Police Dept. Driving around Chicago, IL, it?s about a 500 mile drive from my house. Where in Wisconsin do you live? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tom Van Heule Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:58 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip Superb Roger. I spent 20 years north of muskegon, west of 131... Coming " home" twice a year for the steelhead runs. I thought you might be in Wisconsin, but we can surely meet up someday as we're only 100 miles apart?! All the best everyone, TVH On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 6:46 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Tom, > > OK, me & my boat, let?s see ? here?s a picture of me moving hand-over-hand > thru a narrow crack: > > [cid:image004.jpg at 01D68871.F0D4FAE0] > > Here?s a picture of me paddling along a shear cliff: > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > Here?s a picture of the 4 of us at sunset at Mosquito River > > [cid:image007.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > If you literally meant you wanted to see a picture of my kayak, here it is > by itself on the beach at Hurricane River: > > [cid:image010.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > The kayak is a 2013 Delta 14.5 Expedition. > > The nearest point on Lake Michigan to me is Ludington, which is ~117 miles > from my house. If you check the R-22 archives, you will find some pictures > & stories of the towing rig we use to tow the kayaks behind S/V Dynamic > Equilibrium. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Tom Van Heule > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking > Trip > > Rodger, looks like a great time with the family! > > Surely you didn't take one picture of your boat on the trip? > > We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters as soon > as a slip opens up. > At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and other > work. > > Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? > > Tvh > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > > kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped at Bay > > Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, > shuttled a > > vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, we > > put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > > Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to Beaver > Creek > > Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River > > Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a very > > exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea stacks > > on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled beyond > the > > cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I have > > included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly > endless > > sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to plan > > over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > > to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > > paddling. 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Probably an hour or so from you son. Absolutely on your way via 94, maybe 10 minutes off course. Cheers, IMG_20200730_204146.jpg On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Tom, > > My younger son, Gary & family, live in Wyocena, WI, which is a northern > suburb of Madison, WI. Gary is a police detective on the Madison Police > Dept. Driving around Chicago, IL, it?s about a 500 mile drive from my > house. Where in Wisconsin do you live? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Tom Van Heule > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:58 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking > Trip > > Superb Roger. > > I spent 20 years north of muskegon, west of 131... > Coming " home" twice a year for the steelhead runs. > > I thought you might be in Wisconsin, but we can surely meet up someday as > we're only 100 miles apart?! > All the best everyone, > TVH > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 6:46 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > > OK, me & my boat, let?s see ? here?s a picture of me moving > hand-over-hand > > thru a narrow crack: > > > > [cid:image004.jpg at 01D68871.F0D4FAE0] > > > > Here?s a picture of me paddling along a shear cliff: > > > > [cid:image003.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > > > Here?s a picture of the 4 of us at sunset at Mosquito River > > > > [cid:image007.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > > > If you literally meant you wanted to see a picture of my kayak, here it > is > > by itself on the beach at Hurricane River: > > > > [cid:image010.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > > > The kayak is a 2013 Delta 14.5 Expedition. > > > > The nearest point on Lake Michigan to me is Ludington, which is ~117 > miles > > from my house. If you check the R-22 archives, you will find some > pictures > > & stories of the towing rig we use to tow the kayaks behind S/V Dynamic > > Equilibrium. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Tom Van Heule > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking > > Trip > > > > Rodger, looks like a great time with the family! > > > > Surely you didn't take one picture of your boat on the trip? > > > > We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters as > soon > > as a slip opens up. > > At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and other > > work. > > > > Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? > > > > Tvh > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > > > kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped at > Bay > > > Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, > > shuttled a > > > vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, we > > > put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > > > Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to Beaver > > Creek > > > Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River > > > Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a very > > > exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea > stacks > > > on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled beyond > > the > > > cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I have > > > included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly > > endless > > > sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to > plan > > > over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > > > to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > > > paddling. The sand dunes all start to look the same after a while. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 264376 bytes > > Desc: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 182045 bytes > > Desc: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 114457 bytes > > Desc: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 268390 bytes > > Desc: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > From joedempsey at hughes.net Fri Sep 11 20:39:13 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 20:39:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4253, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm driving a Suzuki 9.9 4 stroke electronic fuel injection (EFI), electric start, electric tilt, max thrust, long shaft with remote throttle control. I don't have to worry about theft, it weighs 125 lbs. It's mounted on a GBI electric motor lift. Joe Dempsey S/V Respite 1989/2005 Deltaville, VA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device ? Original Message ? From: rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org Sent: September 11, 2020 4:40 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4253, Issue 2 Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org You can reach the person managing the list at rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..." Today's Topics: ?? 1. Re: Survey (Cary Tolbert) ?? 2. Re: Survey (Alexis Seigneurin) ?? 3. Re: Survey (Richard Stott) ?? 4. Re: Survey (Michael D. Weisner) ?? 5. Re: Survey (Tom Van Heule) ?? 6. Re: Survey (Graham Stewart) ?? 7. Re: Survey (luis.guzman.ve) ?? 8. Re: Survey (Graham Stewart) ?? 9. Re: Survey (Chris Geankoplis) ? 10. Re: Survey (luis.guzman.ve) ? 11. Re: Survey (Dana LeTendre) ? 12. Re: Survey (Cary Tolbert) ? 13. Re: R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa ????? (Richard Stott) ? 14. Re: Survey (Tom Van Heule) ? 15. Re: Survey (Lowe, Rob) ? 16. Re: Survey (Lowe, Rob) ? 17. Re: Survey (Michael D. Weisner) ? 18. Re: Wheel and stern squat (Mark Whipple) ? 19. Re: R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa (stan) ? 20. Re: R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa ????? (ROGER PIHLAJA) ? 21. Re: R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa ????? (Michael D. Weisner) ? 22. Re: R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa ????? (Mike Riter) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:32:29 -0400 From: Cary Tolbert To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Ric, I have a Yamaha 8hp. ,4cycle, 20" shaft, electric start and electric tilt. It weighs in at 117 pounds. The KingStarboard rails on the lift have been replaced with aluminium. I think the motor is a 2005 model . The boat is an 86. The lift is manual. Cary Tolbert Radford, VA On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:58 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric. > > Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch.? Details including photos > are at > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > Top view photo of the motor lowered and running: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg > > I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's > on the trailer, docked, and while sailing. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > Dear Rhodes > > How long is your shaft? > > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > > 1. HP > > 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? > > 3. Motor mount type > > Ex. GB original/ manual > >???????? GB original electric > >???????? GB converted E to M or M to E > >????????? 3rd party parallelogram type > >????????? Custom. > > Currently I have > > 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > > 2. 25? > > 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > > Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. > > > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > > associated photos with replies. > > I?ll report findings to da list. > > Ric > > Sv Dadventure > > Hampton Bays NY > > Sent from my iPhone > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor02.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 97758 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor01.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 88902 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0001.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor03.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 79180 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0002.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The boat is an 86. The lift is manual. Cary Tolbert Radford, VA On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:58 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric. > > Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch.? Details including photos > are at > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > Top view photo of the motor lowered and running: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg > > I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's > on the trailer, docked, and while sailing. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > Dear Rhodes > > How long is your shaft? > > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > > 1. HP > > 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? > > 3. Motor mount type > > Ex. GB original/ manual > >???????? GB original electric > >???????? GB converted E to M or M to E > >????????? 3rd party parallelogram type > >????????? Custom. > > Currently I have > > 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > > 2. 25? > > 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > > Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. > > > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > > associated photos with replies. > > I?ll report findings to da list. > > Ric > > Sv Dadventure > > Hampton Bays NY > > Sent from my iPhone > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor02.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 97758 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor01.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 88902 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0001.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Motor03.JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 79180 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0002.jpe > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My 25? shaft? on that same GB mount had problems in waves over 2 feet. It will spin out of the water when the stern is up and bow down. Thank you all for you replies and photos - very helpful. Ric sv Dadventure Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > Ric, I have a Yamaha 8hp. ,4cycle, 20" shaft, electric start and electric > tilt. It weighs in at 117 pounds. The KingStarboard rails on the lift have > been replaced with aluminium. > I think the motor is a 2005 model . The boat is an 86. The lift is manual. > Cary Tolbert > Radford, VA > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:58 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric. >> >> Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch.? Details including photos >> are at >> >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 >> >> Top view photo of the motor lowered and running: >> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg >> >> I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's >> on the trailer, docked, and while sailing. >> >> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Rhodes >>> How long is your shaft? >>> Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. >>> I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: >>> 1. HP >>> 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? >>> 3. Motor mount type >>> Ex. GB original/ manual >>>??????? GB original electric >>>??????? GB converted E to M or M to E >>>???????? 3rd party parallelogram type >>>???????? Custom. >>> Currently I have >>> 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc >>> 2. 25? >>> 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with >>> Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. >>> >>> I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any >>> associated photos with replies. >>> I?ll report findings to da list. >>> Ric >>> Sv Dadventure >>> Hampton Bays NY >>> Sent from my iPhone >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Motor02.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 97758 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment.jpe >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Motor01.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 88902 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0001.jpe >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Motor03.JPG >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 79180 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/3cfef487/attachment-0002.jpe >>> >> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DSCN6323 (1).JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3525812 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: DSCN6324 (1).JPG > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3508545 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:48:03 -0400 From: "Michael D. Weisner" To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: <006401d68842$2c651750$852f45f0$@ebsmed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Yamaha F6MLHD 6 HP, 4-stroke Shaft 22.1" GB 6:1 1991 Manual (thin slot, not U-channel) 87 lbs 2 pics attached Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200602_130231.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2303172 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200602_130238.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1833453 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:59:35 -0500 From: Tom Van Heule To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 2017 Merc 8hp 4stroke. Electric start, GB electric lift ( 2011) looks like it's 25". Elbow scale says 80 to 90lbs. Works like a charm, but sometimes a little jumpy when lowering. Which I do about 6 times every sail... On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 8:48 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Yamaha F6MLHD > 6 HP, 4-stroke > Shaft 22.1" > GB 6:1 1991 Manual (thin slot, not U-channel) > 87 lbs > > 2 pics attached > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 20200602_130231.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2303172 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/11d46b4d/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 20200602_130238.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1833453 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/11d46b4d/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200911_085223.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3731986 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:06:01 -0400 From: "Graham Stewart" To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: <009601d68844$b0634de0$1129e9a0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Ric: HP = 7.5 hp Johnson 1981 Shaft = 25" Motor mount = standards manual motor mount - probably original. Picture attached from the days of beginning restoration when the boat was very unhappy with me. Note:? This very simple arrangement appeals to me all the more as I read the seemingly endless posts from those with problems with their motor lift systems. 7.5 Hp seems quite adequate to me except dead? up wind in very high winds. It is also a moderate weight compared to 10 hp 4 stroke motors. I just tilt my motor when sailing and only raise it if I am heeling severely or for long sails. Even so, raising it is not particularly difficult with my? spring loaded motor mount. I am not convinced that the complexity, weight and, frankly, ugliness of the power lift system offsets any advantages it offers. I might feel differently if I actually had the rig to test or needed a much heavier motor. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:47 AM To: Email List The Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear Rhodes How long is your shaft? Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: 1. HP 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? 3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual ??????? GB original electric ??????? GB converted E to M or M to E ???????? 3rd party parallelogram type ???????? Custom. Currently I have 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25? 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. Ric Sv Dadventure Hampton Bays NY Sent from my iPhone= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Agile? stern profile Aug 2009 (4).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 170962 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:17:29 -0400 From: "luis.guzman.ve" To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: <5f5b86fe.1c69fb81.7c406.1cc4 at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 25'' 2016 9Hp Tohatsu Manual/electric start and alternator.?Parallelogram type manual mount that I want to replace.S/V 1983 AquetxaliSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott Date: 9/11/20? 8:46 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: Email List The Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear RhodesHow long is your shaft?Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:1. HP2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25?3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual??????? GB original electric??????? GB converted E to M or M to E???????? 3rd party parallelogram type???????? Custom. Currently I have 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25?3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. RicSv DadventureHampton Bays NYSent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:20:36 -0400 From: "Graham Stewart" To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: <009d01d68846$bd6d6640$384832c0$@ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Here is a less embarrassing picture of the motor mount after the boat was tidied up a bit. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:47 AM To: Email List The Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear Rhodes How long is your shaft? Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: 1. HP 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? 3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual ??????? GB original electric ??????? GB converted E to M or M to E ???????? 3rd party parallelogram type ???????? Custom. Currently I have 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25? 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. Ric Sv Dadventure Hampton Bays NY Sent from my iPhone= -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Agile name and lettering October 2016 (2).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 107506 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:24:04 -0400 From: Chris Geankoplis To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hey Ric, ????????? To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start. It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram type mount.? This is for Enosis I over in Greece. The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in Smithsonian quality. It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this week. Chris Geankoplis Enosis I Red Rhodes On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott wrote: > Dear Rhodes > How long is your shaft? > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > 1. HP > 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? > 3. Motor mount type > Ex. GB original/ manual >???????? GB original electric >???????? GB converted E to M or M to E >????????? 3rd party parallelogram type >????????? Custom. > Currently I have > 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > 2. 25? > 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > associated photos with replies. > I?ll report findings to da list. > Ric > Sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays NY > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:26:55 -0400 From: "luis.guzman.ve" To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: <5f5b8935.1c69fb81.7c406.1d3b at mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sorry, it is a Nissan.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message --------From: "luis.guzman.ve" Date: 9/11/20? 10:17 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Survey 25'' 2016 9Hp Tohatsu Manual/electric start and alternator.?Parallelogram type manual mount that I want to replace.S/V 1983 AquetxaliSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device-------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott Date: 9/11/20? 8:46 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: Email List The Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear RhodesHow long is your shaft?Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:1. HP2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25?3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual??????? GB original electric??????? GB converted E to M or M to E???????? 3rd party parallelogram type???????? Custom. Currently I have 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25?3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to ? da list. RicSv DadventureHampton Bays NYSent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this week. Chris Geankoplis Enosis I Red Rhodes > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott wrote: > > Dear Rhodes > How long is your shaft? > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > 1. HP > 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? > 3. Motor mount type > Ex. GB original/ manual >??????? GB original electric >??????? GB converted E to M or M to E >???????? 3rd party parallelogram type >???????? Custom. > Currently I have > 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > 2. 25? > 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > associated photos with replies. > I?ll report findings to da list. > Ric > Sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays NY > Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:34:43 -0400 From: Cary Tolbert To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ric, I took the broken starboard parts to a machine shop and they replicated Same thickness , so it should have a lot more strength and regidity. The existing spacers (the gray plastic ) I re used. Good Luck. Let us know what you end up doing On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 10:24 AM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Ric, >?????????? To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start. > It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram type > mount.? This is for Enosis I over in Greece. >? The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp > Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in > Smithsonian quality. >? It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this week. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis I > Red Rhodes > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > Dear Rhodes > > How long is your shaft? > > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > > 1. HP > > 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? > > 3. Motor mount type > > Ex. GB original/ manual > >???????? GB original electric > >???????? GB converted E to M or M to E > >????????? 3rd party parallelogram type > >????????? Custom. > > Currently I have > > 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > > 2. 25? > > 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > > Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. > > > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > > associated photos with replies. > > I?ll report findings to da list. > > Ric > > Sv Dadventure > > Hampton Bays NY > > Sent from my iPhone > ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:51:10 -0400 From: Richard Stott To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I doubt the sail shrunk. It looks to me like your jib is attached higher, near the masthead so the foot is also higher. I think it might be possible to lower the whole sail on the fuller tube.? - If you want to. Pros & cons. Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP www.stottarchitecture.com Office 631-283-1777 Cell 516-965-3164 > On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > Lovely day there.? Thanks for sharing. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing >> my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some photos >> of mine so I thought I would share.? While my local puddle does not qualify >> as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for >> sailing.? My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now >> hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!)? It's >> always nice to introduce more people to sailing.? One other note - there >> was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the seminar >> involved a tour of the cruisers at our club.? 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I forgot.to mention, I have not seen any issues with the prop getting airborne yet. Here is another photo. ? IMG_2955.jpg On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 9:34 AM Cary Tolbert wrote: > Ric, I took the broken starboard parts to a machine shop and they > replicated >? Same thickness , so it should have a lot more strength and regidity. The > existing spacers (the gray plastic ) I re used. > Good Luck. Let us know what you end up doing > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 10:24 AM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > Hey Ric, > >?????????? To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start. > > It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram > type > > mount.? This is for Enosis I over in Greece. > >? The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp > > Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in > > Smithsonian quality. > >? It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this > week. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis I > > Red Rhodes > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Rhodes > > > How long is your shaft? > > > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > > > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > > > 1. HP > > > 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? > > > 3. Motor mount type > > > Ex. GB original/ manual > > >???????? GB original electric > > >???????? GB converted E to M or M to E > > >????????? 3rd party parallelogram type > > >????????? Custom. > > > Currently I have > > > 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > > > 2. 25? > > > 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type > with > > > Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. > > > > > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > > > associated photos with replies. > > > I?ll report findings to da list. > > > Ric > > > Sv Dadventure > > > Hampton Bays NY > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:05:41 +0000 From: "Lowe, Rob" To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" 9.9hp electric start 20" GB mount with electric winch raising system. 2003 model year. It's a high thrust motor which I don't care for.? Can't motor slow enough in close quarters.? I'm thinking of finding a smaller prop to reduce the thrust but have not done it yet. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Ric Stott Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:47 AM To: Email List The Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear Rhodes How long is your shaft? Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: 1. HP 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? 3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual ??????? GB original electric ??????? GB converted E to M or M to E ???????? 3rd party parallelogram type ???????? Custom. Currently I have 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25? 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. Ric Sv Dadventure Hampton Bays NY Sent from my iPhone ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:18:36 +0000 From: "Lowe, Rob" To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Michael, On your motor, I see you have a safety chain attached.? Do you lock your motor?? I've got a padlock I use on mine.? If you align the black 'ears' on the motor mount tightening bolts you can get lock on them.? Having had a motor taken off my boat, while it was in the marina, I now make sure mine stays locked.? Just a thought. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:48 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Yamaha F6MLHD 6 HP, 4-stroke Shaft 22.1" GB 6:1 1991 Manual (thin slot, not U-channel) 87 lbs 2 pics attached Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200602_130231.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 2303172 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200602_130238.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1833453 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:27:07 -0400 From: "Michael D. Weisner" To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Message-ID: <002301d68860$c6f34d00$54d9e700$@ebsmed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Rob, I never thought about running the lock through the black ears. Belts and suspenders? Currently, the lock connecting the safety chain is run through the safety restraint bracket as called out in the manual (see attached). With tools, one could unbolt the bracket, but then, the chain is run through the stern rail which can also be removed with tools. Wind Lass is on a mooring making it difficult to remove an 87 lbs. engine and transport it to land. It's a 2005, although it runs perfectly, now that I cleaned and rebuilt the carb. The idle jet was probably clogged as long as I have owned it (2011) since it would not idle without stalling previously. Now, it purrs. Changing gears is a dream. I no longer fight with the throttle-shift interlock and tight quarters maneuvering is simple. I would miss her if stolen. That's what insurance is for, I suppose. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:19 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Michael, On your motor, I see you have a safety chain attached.? Do you lock your motor?? I've got a padlock I use on mine.? If you align the black 'ears' on the motor mount tightening bolts you can get lock on them.? Having had a motor taken off my boat, while it was in the marina, I now make sure mine stays locked.? Just a thought. Rob -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: F6MLHD Safety chain attachment.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 48946 bytes Desc: not available URL: ------------------------------ Message: 18 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:39:01 -0400 From: Mark Whipple To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Michael, My boat did not come with a traveler, although it likely had one in the past. I did buy a new traveler from Stan but I probably won't install it until I remove the wheel and pedestal. Since I often stand behind the wheel on the lazarette hatch when steering, having a line running between the boom and backstays would be awkward. My head is above the level of the boom so I'd be ducking frequently. Currently there is a block-and-tackle for the main sheet which is attached to a short line that terminates on the cockpit sole just forward of the wheel pedestal. I have to reach around the wheel to adjust the main sheet. There's actually a Lewmar rope clutch mounted to the top of the wheel pedestal that may have been for the main sheet at some point but it doesn't work with the current rigging. Mark Boston, MA 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:53 AM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > Do you have a traveler? Is it connected to the wheel pedestal? > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Mark Whipple > Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:34 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat > > Since I seem to be one of the only (THE only?) R22 with a wheel, here's > another picture. The boat actually cam with two wheels, and I switched to > the bigger one last week. It's much better for me because I don't have to > lean down to hold the wheel, and I can easily reach it from the captain's > chairs. Unlike the one that was installed on the boat when I got it, this > one is wrapped with something like leather (elk skin maybe?) and two sides > fold in if you want a little more room at anchor. > > That reminds me of another question: as nice as the captain's chairs are, > do you find that they tend to push the boat down at the stern even when not > motoring? I'm inclined to remove the wheel anyway, but I'm thinking with a > tiller extension I could sit a little more forward in the cockpit to > balance the weight a bit more fore and aft. What are your > thoughts/experiences? > > Thanks, > Mark > > -- > Boston, MA > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: rhodes 09 08 20.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 234796 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/63206c37/attachment.jpg > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:50:16 -0400 From: stan To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed On 9/10/20 7:35 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > Interesting.?? My Bucc has an aluminum CG approved plate riveted to the CB > trunk? (now banged and worn to illegibility) stating a capacity of six > people and 6? hp maximum outboard.?? It?s physically possible to get that > many people on her but I wouldn?t recommend it.?? Six HP would be silly > hanging off a 500# boat.???? I wondered how Stan avoided having a similar > fiction posted in the R-22.??? Sailboatdata shows a first build date of 1968 > for both. > > Nice photos.??? Your jib seems cut higher then mine, allowing more overlap > for a similar sail area.??? Have you flown other jibs to see if that creates > a better slot with the main? > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 19:56:14 +0000 From: ROGER PIHLAJA To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hi Jessie, As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the leech on your genoa is curled.? Without battens, you may not be able to get the twist out of the mainsail.? I would try moving the traveler to leeward and tightening up the mainsheet.? The curl on the genoa?s leech can be cured by moving the sheet lead aft.? If your genoa has a leech cord, you may have it too tight. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Chris Geankoplis Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Lovely day there.? Thanks for sharing. Chris G Enosis On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some photos > of mine so I thought I would share.? While my local puddle does not qualify > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > sailing.? My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!)? It's > always nice to introduce more people to sailing.? One other note - there > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the seminar > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club.? Our Rhodes 22 was the crowd > favorite! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 379148 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 579329 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 587340 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0002.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 415946 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0003.jpg > > > ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:18:31 -0400 From: "Michael D. Weisner" To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Message-ID: <005401d68878$b851a5e0$28f4f1a0$@ebsmed.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I showed the photos to a friend who would like to buy a Rhodes 22. He turned to me and said, "Why don't your sails look like those? They're much prettier with the curled edge making it look like a real sailboat. Also, you can see completely under the genoa. You don't have to look through the silly little window. I want my boat to have sails like those." Hmmm ... I think that he's right. They are more picturesque than the way that I learned to trim sails. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I'd rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:56 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Hi Jessie, As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the leech on your genoa is curled.? Without battens, you may not be able to get the twist out of the mainsail.? I would try moving the traveler to leeward and tightening up the mainsheet.? The curl on the genoa's leech can be cured by moving the sheet lead aft.? If your genoa has a leech cord, you may have it too tight. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:40:38 -0400 From: Mike Riter To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hey everyone. I don?t mean to hijack Jessie?s awesome boat pics thread, but Roger and Mike?s comments about sail trim have me intrigued and I?m wondering if you would share some more of your sail trim wisdom with me. When I took sailing classes a year or so ago I remember we talked about the points of sail, but can't recall ever covering sail trim when actually out on the water.? I assumed the curve in the sails was supposed to be there. Mike Riter SV Emma B On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:18 PM Michael D. Weisner wrote: > I showed the photos to a friend who would like to buy a Rhodes 22. He > turned > > to me and said, "Why don't your sails look like those? They're much > prettier > > with the curled edge making it look like a real sailboat. Also, you can see > > completely under the genoa. You don't have to look through the silly little > > window. I want my boat to have sails like those." > > > > Hmmm ... I think that he's right. They are more picturesque than the way > > that I learned to trim sails. > > > > Mike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > > Nissequogue River, NY > > I'd rather be sailing :~) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > ROGER > > PIHLAJA > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:56 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake > > Manawa > > > > Hi Jessie, > > > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like pretty > > light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the leech > on > > your genoa is curled.? Without battens, you may not be able to get the > twist > > out of the mainsail.? I would try moving the traveler to leeward and > > tightening up the mainsheet.? The curl on the genoa's leech can be cured by > > moving the sheet lead aft.? If your genoa has a leech cord, you may have it > > too tight. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > -- Michael Riter President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training mike at traildesign.com 678-410-8021 ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Rhodes22-list mailing list Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list ------------------------------ End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4253, Issue 2 ********************************************** From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sat Sep 12 08:54:55 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:54:55 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Jesse, I hesitated to write the post because I was a little afraid you might be offended by unsolicited ?help?. I?m glad you?re OK with it. North Sails puts out a lot of information on sail trim. If you get a chance over the winter, try to attend one of their seminars. They used to have a seminar called, ?North U. TRIM?. I don?t know if this seminar is still offered; but, it was excellent! The companion textbook is: Bill Gladstone, ?North U. TRIM, The World?s Most Comprehensive Resource On Boatspeed and Boathandling?, 2007, North U., Madison, CT, ISBN: 0-9724361-1-1 The companion North U. TRIM seminar video disk is: ISBN: 978-0-9770952-6-1 If you would like a laminated guide (cheatsheet) on sail trim & rig tuning, try: Bill Gladstone, ?Captain?s Quick Guides: Sail Trim and Rig Tuning?, International Marine Div. of McGraw-Hill, www.internationalmarine.com , ISBN: 0-07-144013-5 My personal favorite from North Sails is, ?The Shape of Speed?. My copy is old and it?s on VHS tape (Yes I?m that old!): ?The Shape of Speed, R329?, Produced For North Sails By Bennett Marine Video, Marina Del Ray, CA, (213) 821-3329, ISBN: 97278-0329-3 Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:04 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Roger, thanks for the sail trim tips and the traveler instruction in particular. My to do list for this fall includes adding tell tales to the leech of the main which should help with sail trim. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jessie, > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like > pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the > leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get > the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward > and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa?s leech can be > cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you > may have it too tight. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > Lake Manawa > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing > > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some > photos > > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > qualify > > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now > > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's > > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there > > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the > seminar > > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the crowd > > favorite! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 379148 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 579329 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 587340 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 415946 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > From mark at whipplefamily.com Sat Sep 12 09:06:24 2020 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 09:06:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection In-Reply-To: References: <004b01d6871a$a078d060$e16a7120$@ca> <005c01d6877d$bc10d5d0$34328170$@ca> <489EC431-9BDF-40F8-AC48-4E3EFE1CD09C@sunnybeeches.com> <647DC49E-B99C-46F6-BEAF-CCFAD6112487@sunnybeeches.com> <008001d687e5$6b54fa00$41feee00$@ca> Message-ID: Tom, I've always referred to the substance as "cutting oil" because back in the day it was actually a petroleum product. I still have the container of cutting oil that I bought when I owned a bike shop in the 1980's. These days apparently it's no longer oil but some other liquid, so now it's advertised as "cutting fluid." Mark On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 6:13 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Mark, > Maybe you can help with this old thought experiment I was posed to in > college. > > Elaborate on the difference of a liquid and a fluid? > > :) > Tvh > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 8:06 AM Mark Whipple wrote: > > > A drill press allows you to keep a consistent angle and speed while > > carefully controlling the downward pressure. There's also less of a > > tendency for the drill bit to "walk," but I'd still use a punch to > create a > > set point for the drill bit. I'd also suggest using cutting oil (fluid) > > when drilling any metal other than maybe aluminum or lead. > > > > https://www.amazon.com/s?k=cutting+oil > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:42 AM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Thanks for the tips. I may give the step bit a try. > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 9:44 PM Graham Stewart > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I like to use a step bit to gradually drill a larger hole in metal > > > without > > > > having to change bits. > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf > > > > Of Peter Nyberg > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:59 PM > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > > > > > > Starting with smaller holes and gradually expanding to larger holes > is > > > the > > > > approach I usually take. I don?t know that it actually matters. > > > > > > > > Using a drill press may help to positions holes more accurately, > other > > > > than that, I haven?t noticed that it matters much over using a hand > > > drill. > > > > > > > > ?Peter > > > > > > > > > On Sep 10, 2020, at 6:48 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I can confirm what Peter mentioned since I recently ordered mast > > > > organizer > > > > > model DH288 > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > https://www.dwyermast.com/items.asp?cat1ID=40&cat1Name=Hardware&familyID=19&familyName=Halyard+Organizer+Plates > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > preparation for fall projects. I attached a photo of the one that > I > > > > > received in the mail. Sorry for the poor lighting in the photo. > It > > > > occurs > > > > > to me that I'll need to drill holes to fit the existing pattern on > > the > > > > > tabernacle. It appears I may want to use a drill press and > > > > progressively > > > > > larger bits for that given the strength of the material described > in > > > > > Roger's earlier post in this thread. > > > > > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg < > > peter at sunnybeeches.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I avoided having to cut off the tab by mounting the organizer > > > backwards, > > > > >> with the tab on the forward side. I don?t use the tab, but it?s > not > > > in > > > > the > > > > >> way there. > > > > >> > > > > >> The halyard organizer, for those who might be interested, came > from > > > > Dwyer ( > > > > >> www.dwyermast.com). I just took a look at their current > selection > > of > > > > >> organizers, and none appear to have a tab with a hole for > mounting a > > > > block > > > > >> at the centerline; only port and starboard. > > > > >> > > > > >> Peter Nyberg > > > > >> Coventry, CT > > > > >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > > >> > > > > >>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA < > roger_pihlaja at msn.com > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Graham, > > > > >>> > > > > >>> I actually have a modified version of Peter Nyberg?s mast step > > > > >> organizer. I simply cut off the tab on the aft side so it > wouldn?t > > > > >> interfere with the pop top slider. Unfortunately, the 300 series > > > > stainless > > > > >> alloys have a strong tendency to work harden when they are cold > > > > worked. It > > > > >> takes a good metal cutting band saw with plenty of coolant to cut > > thru > > > > the > > > > >> work hardened bent tab. Then, a bench grinder and fine emory > cloth > > > will > > > > >> clean up the cut and round off the sharp edges. Having the anchor > > > > points > > > > >> on the port, starboard, and front sides of the mast is very handy. > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Roger Pihlaja > > > > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > >>> > > > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> On Sep 10, 2020, at 10:21 AM, Graham Stewart < > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> ?Roger: Thanks for the thorough response. It all makes sense. I > > > wonder > > > > >> why I didn't have that ring installed on my boat. A second option > I > > am > > > > >> considering is to install a mast step organizer such as the one > that > > > > Peter > > > > >> Nyberg installed on his boat. I don't have a Cunningham on my > boat. > > I > > > > would > > > > >> be interested in seeing what others have installed if anyone has > > > > pictures. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > > > >>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > >>>> Kingston Ontario > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > > On > > > > >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > >>>> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 8:15 AM > > > > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Graham, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Although, at first glance, the present pop top slider design may > > > look > > > > >> sort of crude, it?s actually pretty elegant. Remember, there are > 2 > > > > pieces > > > > >> of tackle that have their lower anchor points on the pop top > slider, > > > the > > > > >> boom vang and the Cunningham. The snap shackle for the Cunningham > > > > actually > > > > >> attaches to the eye strap and the snap shackle for the boom vang > > > > actually > > > > >> attaches to the ring. This way, the force from the Cunningham, > > which > > > is > > > > >> vertical directly up the mast, is kept as close as possible to the > > > mast. > > > > >> The force from the Cunningham on the two machine screws attaching > > the > > > > eye > > > > >> strap to the pop top slider is almost entirely shear, which is the > > > most > > > > >> mechanically efficient way to load a threaded connection. In > > > addition, > > > > by > > > > >> attaching the Cunningham to the eye strap vs. the ring, the clam > > cleat > > > > on > > > > >> the block automatically faces aft, thus facilitating ease of use > > from > > > > the > > > > >> cockpit. Similarly, attaching the snap shackle for the boom vang > > onto > > > > the > > > > >> ring vs. the eye strap, automatically positions the clam cleat > > > downward > > > > and > > > > >> moves it aft slightly, both of which help prevent the two pieces > of > > > > tackle > > > > >> from getting fouled up on each other and makes the boom vang > easier > > to > > > > use > > > > >> from the cockpit. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> If the ring were simply welded onto the pop top slider, I think > it > > > > >> might interfere with the pop top raising and lowering process. > i.e. > > > > When > > > > >> the pop top is raised, the 1st step is to raise the aft end of the > > pop > > > > top > > > > >> up on its support arms until the spring loaded detents lock into > > > > position. > > > > >> In this position, the front corner of the pop top might interfere > > > with a > > > > >> fixed welded ring on the pop top slider. The present design, with > > its > > > > eye > > > > >> strap and ring, automatically folds down out of the way. Even > with > > > the > > > > >> present pop top slider design, it?s not the eye strap and ring > > that?s > > > in > > > > >> the way if you attempt to raise the pop top with the boom vang and > > > > >> Cunningham in place, it?s the two pieces of tackle and all the > > > > associated > > > > >> line. Similarly, it?s not the eye strap and ring that tend to > chip > > up > > > > the > > > > >> front corner of the pop top, it?s the lower blocks and snap > shackles > > > on > > > > the > > > > >> Cunningham and boom vang that do the damage when they start > flopping > > > > >> around. A welded fixed ring wouldn?t change that. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Finally, if the ring is welded onto the pop top slider; then, > that > > > > will > > > > >> be a critical weld. There will be a lot of force on it. I hope > you > > > > are, > > > > >> or have access to, a certified welder. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Even after all these years, it?s fun to critically exam Stan?s > > ideas > > > > >> and designs that were so multifunctional. He was way ahead of us > > all > > > in > > > > >> anticipating and solving problems. My boat is in its 44th season > > and > > > > it?s > > > > >> been sailed hard. The pop top slider hasn?t given a bit of > trouble. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Sent from Mail > > for > > > > >> Windows 10 > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> From: Graham Stewart > > > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:32 PM > > > > >>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Roger: > > > > >>>> I am thinking that it might be worth getting the ring welded to > > the > > > > >> plate at about a 30 degree an angle rather than having it flop > > around > > > in > > > > >> the strap eye. Do you see a reason why that might not work? > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Graham Stewart > > > > >>>> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -----Original Message----- > > > > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > > On > > > > >> Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > >>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 5:24 PM > > > > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Graham, > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> The slider is held in its various positions by a hair pin clip > > that > > > > >> inserts thru holes drilled thru the mast track. I always keep the > > > hair > > > > pin > > > > >> clip in place to hold the slider down no matter whether I have > > tension > > > > on > > > > >> the boom vang &/or Cunningham or not. S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > came > > > > rigged > > > > >> with the boom vang and Cunningham downhaul when I purchased her. > I > > > > don?t > > > > >> know if a previous owner drilled and tapped the pop top slider for > > the > > > > eye > > > > >> strap. Or, maybe back in 1976, Stan might have offered a > > ?performance > > > > >> mainsail package? that included a boom vang and Cunningham. There > > is > > > > also > > > > >> an eye strap drilled and tapped into the underside of the boom for > > the > > > > top > > > > >> anchor point on the boom vang. It all looks pretty professional > if > > > they > > > > >> are homemade and they both serve their mainsail shaping functions > > > > >> perfectly. Both the boom vang and Cunningham must be removed to > > raise > > > > the > > > > >> pop top. With snap shackles, installing and removing them is not > a > > > big > > > > >> deal. A word of caution, all this hardware on the leading edge of > > the > > > > pop > > > > >> top can chip the fiberglass if they get to banging around. I > solved > > > > this > > > > >> problem by epoxying 10 gage SS sheet metal to the sides and the > top > > of > > > > the > > > > >> pop top near the pointy end where it attaches to the pop top > slider. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Sent from my iPhone > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Graham Stewart < > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> ?Roger: > > > > >>>>> My 76 has the same bracket except that it does not have the > ring > > or > > > > eye > > > > >>>>> strap. I wonder if that was added by a previous owner. Do you > > have > > > a > > > > >> track > > > > >>>>> stop to keep the pop top down when the boom vang or Cunningham > is > > > in > > > > >> use? If > > > > >>>>> it works well I might copy that. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Graham Stewart > > > > >>>>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > >>>>> Kingston Ontario > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> -----Original Message----- > > > > >>>>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org > ] > > On > > > > >> Behalf Of > > > > >>>>> ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 1:32 PM > > > > >>>>> To: John Carlson; The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop Top Connection > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Hi All, > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> I've attached a picture of the pop top slider connection on my > > > older > > > > >> (1976) > > > > >>>>> standard (i.e. non IMF) mainsail Rhodes 22. As you can see, > > it's a > > > > >> simple > > > > >>>>> weldment. The bent sheet metal slides up and down in the mast > > > slot. > > > > >> The > > > > >>>>> bolt attaches to a pair of brackets on the leading edge of the > > pop > > > > >> top. The > > > > >>>>> ring is the lower anchor point for the boom vang and Cunningham > > > > >> downhaul > > > > >>>>> tackle. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D686AD.A5678F20] > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > > >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> Sent from Mail > > for > > > > >> Windows > > > > >>>>> 10 > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > > > > >>> > > > > >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:36 AM > > > > >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pop top connection > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> The front of mine is quite rough as well. I have a picture, but > > it > > > > >> looks a > > > > >>>>> lot like yours (and I use a Mac). > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> -- > > > > >>>>> John. > > > > >>>>> 2004/12 Rhodes 22 > > > > >>>>> Waco, TX > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Sep 9, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Mark Whipple < > > > mark at whipplefamily.com > > > > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > > >>>>>> New question: I'm looking at the piece that connects my > pop-top > > to > > > > the > > > > >>>>>> mast, and it looks unfinished on the forward end, like it may > > have > > > > >> been > > > > >>>>>> broken at some point. I realize there are many small > differences > > > > >> between > > > > >>>>>> our boats but do yours look like this? (Sorry for the blue > tape > > in > > > > >> the way > > > > >>>>>> - I removed it but then forgot to take another picture.) > > > > >>>>>> Mark > > > > >>>>>> -- > > > > >>>>>> Boston, MA > > > > >>>>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia* > > > > >>>>>> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale* > > > > >>>>>> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale* > > > > >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > > >>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > >>>>>> Name: luna mia popup connection.jpg > > > > >>>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > > > >>>>>> Size: 24318 bytes > > > > >>>>>> Desc: not available > > > > >>>>>> URL: > > > > >>>>> < > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8bc1259/a > > > > >>>>> ttachment.jpg> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > > >>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > >>>>> Name: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > > > > >>>>> Type: image/jpeg > > > > >>>>> Size: 153447 bytes > > > > >>>>> Desc: 5D89362A40A344E489D4186D51FBAF96.jpg > > > > >>>>> URL: > > > > >>>>> < > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200909/b8512c08/a > > > > >>>>> ttachment.jpg> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > > Name: DH288.JPG > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > Size: 73235 bytes > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/70648fa1/attachment.jpe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 09:45:42 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 09:45:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thnks Roger, For sharing the info. I have found that I have gotten lazy and developed some bad habits, not to mention forgotten over the last 55 years of sailing a bunch of stuff too. So I will be taking your advice and freshening up my skills this winter and putting them into practice this winter on the other Enosis. Chris Geankoplis Enosi I & !! On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 8:54 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Jesse, > > I hesitated to write the post because I was a little afraid you might be > offended by unsolicited ?help?. I?m glad you?re OK with it. > > North Sails puts out a lot of information on sail trim. If you get a > chance over the winter, try to attend one of their seminars. They used to > have a seminar called, ?North U. TRIM?. I don?t know if this seminar is > still offered; but, it was excellent! The companion textbook is: > > Bill Gladstone, ?North U. TRIM, The World?s Most Comprehensive Resource On > Boatspeed and Boathandling?, 2007, North U., Madison, CT, ISBN: > 0-9724361-1-1 > > The companion North U. TRIM seminar video disk is: ISBN: 978-0-9770952-6-1 > > If you would like a laminated guide (cheatsheet) on sail trim & rig > tuning, try: > > Bill Gladstone, ?Captain?s Quick Guides: Sail Trim and Rig Tuning?, > International Marine Div. of McGraw-Hill, www.internationalmarine.com< > http://www.internationalmarine.com> , ISBN: 0-07-144013-5 > > My personal favorite from North Sails is, ?The Shape of Speed?. My copy > is old and it?s on VHS tape (Yes I?m that old!): > > ?The Shape of Speed, R329?, Produced For North Sails By Bennett Marine > Video, Marina Del Ray, CA, (213) 821-3329, > ISBN: 97278-0329-3 > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:04 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > Lake Manawa > > Roger, thanks for the sail trim tips and the traveler instruction in > particular. My to do list for this fall includes adding tell tales to the > leech of the main which should help with sail trim. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Jessie, > > > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like > > pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and > the > > leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to > get > > the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to > leeward > > and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa?s leech can be > > cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you > > may have it too tight. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Chris Geankoplis > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > > Lake Manawa > > > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while > sailing > > > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some > > photos > > > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > > qualify > > > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > > > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is > now > > > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) > It's > > > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - > there > > > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the > > seminar > > > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the > crowd > > > favorite! > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 379148 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 579329 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 587340 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 415946 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sat Sep 12 10:05:07 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 14:05:07 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip Message-ID: Hi Tom, Originally, the kayak towing harness for S/V Dynamic Equilibrium was to facilitate a Sailing/Kayaking High Adventure Trip wherein we were going circumnavigate Isle Royale in western Lake Superior. This trip was going to be in the summer of 2002 using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a mother ship. Unfortunately, 9/11 happened and the US economy went into a deep recession. I got laid off in the spring of 2002 and the trip had to be postponed. Between going back to school to get another degree in mechanical engineering, searching for a new job, and the boys going off to college and starting their own careers; the Isle Royale trip never happened. Since then, we have started including my brother-in-law, Ken, in our High Adventure trips. There is a story in the R-22 archives about a voyage to Garden Island in northern Lake Michigan aboard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium. It was Ken?s 1st blue water sailing experience and we kind of scared him on the return trip. I haven?t suggested any sailing High Adventure Trips since then. The word around the campfire on the Pictured Rocks High Adventure Trip was everyone was interested in going back to the Apostle Islands in western Lake Superior by sea kayak in the summer of 2021. We only visited 4 islands out of 22 in the archipelago the last time we were there. I may explore how Ken would feel about using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a mother ship for the kayaks. We would definitely be able to cover more water. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:12 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > ?We're in northwest Waukesha county. > Probably an hour or so from you son. > Absolutely on your way via 94, maybe 10 minutes off course. > > Cheers, > > IMG_20200730_204146.jpg > > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >> Hi Tom, >> My younger son, Gary & family, live in Wyocena, WI, which is a northern >> suburb of Madison, WI. Gary is a police detective on the Madison Police >> Dept. Driving around Chicago, IL, it?s about a 500 mile drive from my >> house. Where in Wisconsin do you live? >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> From: Tom Van Heule >> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:58 PM >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking >> Trip >> Superb Roger. >> I spent 20 years north of muskegon, west of 131... >> Coming " home" twice a year for the steelhead runs. >> I thought you might be in Wisconsin, but we can surely meet up someday as >> we're only 100 miles apart?! >> All the best everyone, >> TVH >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 6:46 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: >>> Hi Tom, >>> OK, me & my boat, let?s see ? here?s a picture of me moving >> hand-over-hand >>> thru a narrow crack: >>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D68871.F0D4FAE0] >>> Here?s a picture of me paddling along a shear cliff: >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] >>> Here?s a picture of the 4 of us at sunset at Mosquito River >>> [cid:image007.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] >>> If you literally meant you wanted to see a picture of my kayak, here it >> is >>> by itself on the beach at Hurricane River: >>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] >>> The kayak is a 2013 Delta 14.5 Expedition. >>> The nearest point on Lake Michigan to me is Ludington, which is ~117 >> miles >>> from my house. If you check the R-22 archives, you will find some >> pictures >>> & stories of the towing rig we use to tow the kayaks behind S/V Dynamic >>> Equilibrium. >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> Sent from Mail for >>> Windows 10 >>> From: Tom Van Heule >>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 PM >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking >>> Trip >>> Rodger, looks like a great time with the family! >>> Surely you didn't take one picture of your boat on the trip? >>> We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters as >> soon >>> as a slip opens up. >>> At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and other >>> work. >>> Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? >>> Tvh >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea >>>> kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped at >> Bay >>>> Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, >>> shuttled a >>>> vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, we >>>> put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River >>>> Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to Beaver >>> Creek >>>> Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River >>>> Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a very >>>> exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea >> stacks >>>> on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled beyond >>> the >>>> cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I have >>>> included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly >>> endless >>>> sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to >> plan >>>> over again, I think I would have moved our take-out >>>> to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of >>>> paddling. The sand dunes all start to look the same after a while. >>>> Roger Pihlaja >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 264376 bytes >>> Desc: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment.jpg >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 182045 bytes >>> Desc: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0001.jpg >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 114457 bytes >>> Desc: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0002.jpg >>> -------------- next part -------------- >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>> Name: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg >>> Type: image/jpeg >>> Size: 268390 bytes >>> Desc: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg >>> URL: < >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0003.jpg From snstaum at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 10:18:13 2020 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 10:18:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great Pictures Roger. Thanks for sharing. *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *1983 Rhodes 22* *Needham, MA* On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Tom, > > Originally, the kayak towing harness for S/V Dynamic Equilibrium was to > facilitate a Sailing/Kayaking High Adventure Trip wherein we were going > circumnavigate Isle Royale in western Lake Superior. This trip was going > to be in the summer of 2002 using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a mother > ship. Unfortunately, 9/11 happened and the US economy went into a deep > recession. I got laid off in the spring of 2002 and the trip had to be > postponed. Between going back to school to get another degree in > mechanical engineering, searching for a new job, and the boys going off to > college and starting their own careers; the Isle Royale trip never > happened. Since then, we have started including my brother-in-law, Ken, in > our High Adventure trips. There is a story in the R-22 archives about a > voyage to Garden Island in northern Lake Michigan aboard S/V Dynamic > Equilibrium. It was Ken?s 1st blue water sailing experience and we kind of > scared him on the return trip. I haven?t suggested any sailing High > Adventure Trips since then. > > The word around the campfire on the Pictured Rocks High Adventure Trip was > everyone was interested in going back to the Apostle Islands in western > Lake Superior by sea kayak in the summer of 2021. We only visited 4 > islands out of 22 in the archipelago the last time we were there. I may > explore how Ken would feel about using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a mother > ship for the kayaks. We would definitely be able to cover more water. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:12 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > ?We're in northwest Waukesha county. > > Probably an hour or so from you son. > > Absolutely on your way via 94, maybe 10 minutes off course. > > > > Cheers, > > > > IMG_20200730_204146.jpg > > < > https://drive.google.com/file/d/19_hhNDm1YrRJA14JZsWkxeDbks_khaZh/view?usp=drivesdk > > > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >> Hi Tom, > >> My younger son, Gary & family, live in Wyocena, WI, which is a northern > >> suburb of Madison, WI. Gary is a police detective on the Madison Police > >> Dept. Driving around Chicago, IL, it?s about a 500 mile drive from my > >> house. Where in Wisconsin do you live? > >> Roger Pihlaja > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >> Sent from Mail for > >> Windows 10 > >> From: Tom Van Heule > >> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:58 PM > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking > >> Trip > >> Superb Roger. > >> I spent 20 years north of muskegon, west of 131... > >> Coming " home" twice a year for the steelhead runs. > >> I thought you might be in Wisconsin, but we can surely meet up someday > as > >> we're only 100 miles apart?! > >> All the best everyone, > >> TVH > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 6:46 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > >>> Hi Tom, > >>> OK, me & my boat, let?s see ? here?s a picture of me moving > >> hand-over-hand > >>> thru a narrow crack: > >>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D68871.F0D4FAE0] > >>> Here?s a picture of me paddling along a shear cliff: > >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > >>> Here?s a picture of the 4 of us at sunset at Mosquito River > >>> [cid:image007.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > >>> If you literally meant you wanted to see a picture of my kayak, here it > >> is > >>> by itself on the beach at Hurricane River: > >>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > >>> The kayak is a 2013 Delta 14.5 Expedition. > >>> The nearest point on Lake Michigan to me is Ludington, which is ~117 > >> miles > >>> from my house. If you check the R-22 archives, you will find some > >> pictures > >>> & stories of the towing rig we use to tow the kayaks behind S/V Dynamic > >>> Equilibrium. > >>> Roger Pihlaja > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>> Sent from Mail for > >>> Windows 10 > >>> From: Tom Van Heule > >>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 PM > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking > >>> Trip > >>> Rodger, looks like a great time with the family! > >>> Surely you didn't take one picture of your boat on the trip? > >>> We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters as > >> soon > >>> as a slip opens up. > >>> At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and other > >>> work. > >>> Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? > >>> Tvh > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > >> wrote: > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > >>>> kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped at > >> Bay > >>>> Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, > >>> shuttled a > >>>> vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, we > >>>> put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > >>>> Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to Beaver > >>> Creek > >>>> Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River > >>>> Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a > very > >>>> exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea > >> stacks > >>>> on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled > beyond > >>> the > >>>> cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I have > >>>> included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly > >>> endless > >>>> sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to > >> plan > >>>> over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > >>>> to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > >>>> paddling. The sand dunes all start to look the same after a while. > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 264376 bytes > >>> Desc: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > >>> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment.jpg > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 182045 bytes > >>> Desc: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > >>> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0001.jpg > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 114457 bytes > >>> Desc: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > >>> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0002.jpg > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >>> Name: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > >>> Type: image/jpeg > >>> Size: 268390 bytes > >>> Desc: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > >>> URL: < > >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0003.jpg > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Sep 12 16:35:04 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:35:04 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Roger, thanks for the resource references on sail trim. I'm always open to tips. I feel like the more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know yet. It's always good to have material to work through in the off season to make next sailing season even better! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 7:54 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Jesse, > > I hesitated to write the post because I was a little afraid you might be > offended by unsolicited ?help?. I?m glad you?re OK with it. > > North Sails puts out a lot of information on sail trim. If you get a > chance over the winter, try to attend one of their seminars. They used to > have a seminar called, ?North U. TRIM?. I don?t know if this seminar is > still offered; but, it was excellent! The companion textbook is: > > Bill Gladstone, ?North U. TRIM, The World?s Most Comprehensive Resource On > Boatspeed and Boathandling?, 2007, North U., Madison, CT, ISBN: > 0-9724361-1-1 > > The companion North U. TRIM seminar video disk is: ISBN: 978-0-9770952-6-1 > > If you would like a laminated guide (cheatsheet) on sail trim & rig > tuning, try: > > Bill Gladstone, ?Captain?s Quick Guides: Sail Trim and Rig Tuning?, > International Marine Div. of McGraw-Hill, www.internationalmarine.com< > http://www.internationalmarine.com> , ISBN: 0-07-144013-5 > > My personal favorite from North Sails is, ?The Shape of Speed?. My copy > is old and it?s on VHS tape (Yes I?m that old!): > > ?The Shape of Speed, R329?, Produced For North Sails By Bennett Marine > Video, Marina Del Ray, CA, (213) 821-3329, > ISBN: 97278-0329-3 > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:04 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > Lake Manawa > > Roger, thanks for the sail trim tips and the traveler instruction in > particular. My to do list for this fall includes adding tell tales to the > leech of the main which should help with sail trim. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Jessie, > > > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like > > pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and > the > > leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to > get > > the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to > leeward > > and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa?s leech can be > > cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you > > may have it too tight. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Chris Geankoplis > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > > Lake Manawa > > > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while > sailing > > > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some > > photos > > > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > > qualify > > > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > > > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is > now > > > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) > It's > > > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - > there > > > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the > > seminar > > > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the > crowd > > > favorite! > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 379148 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 579329 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 587340 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 415946 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 12 16:51:40 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 15:51:40 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It will be an amazing trip if you get up there. I did a week of backpacking for my arrow of light on IR. Ill need more practice on our Rhodes in lake Michigan before I am conifient try Superior. Maybe we can do a door county run next year. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 9:18 AM Stephen Staum wrote: > Great Pictures Roger. Thanks for sharing. > > > *Stephen Staum* > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > *1983 Rhodes 22* > *Needham, MA* > > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Originally, the kayak towing harness for S/V Dynamic Equilibrium was to > > facilitate a Sailing/Kayaking High Adventure Trip wherein we were going > > circumnavigate Isle Royale in western Lake Superior. This trip was going > > to be in the summer of 2002 using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a mother > > ship. Unfortunately, 9/11 happened and the US economy went into a deep > > recession. I got laid off in the spring of 2002 and the trip had to be > > postponed. Between going back to school to get another degree in > > mechanical engineering, searching for a new job, and the boys going off > to > > college and starting their own careers; the Isle Royale trip never > > happened. Since then, we have started including my brother-in-law, Ken, > in > > our High Adventure trips. There is a story in the R-22 archives about a > > voyage to Garden Island in northern Lake Michigan aboard S/V Dynamic > > Equilibrium. It was Ken?s 1st blue water sailing experience and we kind > of > > scared him on the return trip. I haven?t suggested any sailing High > > Adventure Trips since then. > > > > The word around the campfire on the Pictured Rocks High Adventure Trip > was > > everyone was interested in going back to the Apostle Islands in western > > Lake Superior by sea kayak in the summer of 2021. We only visited 4 > > islands out of 22 in the archipelago the last time we were there. I may > > explore how Ken would feel about using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a > mother > > ship for the kayaks. We would definitely be able to cover more water. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:12 PM, Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > ?We're in northwest Waukesha county. > > > Probably an hour or so from you son. > > > Absolutely on your way via 94, maybe 10 minutes off course. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > IMG_20200730_204146.jpg > > > < > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/19_hhNDm1YrRJA14JZsWkxeDbks_khaZh/view?usp=drivesdk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >> Hi Tom, > > >> My younger son, Gary & family, live in Wyocena, WI, which is a > northern > > >> suburb of Madison, WI. Gary is a police detective on the Madison > Police > > >> Dept. Driving around Chicago, IL, it?s about a 500 mile drive from my > > >> house. Where in Wisconsin do you live? > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >> Sent from Mail for > > >> Windows 10 > > >> From: Tom Van Heule > > >> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:58 PM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea > Kayaking > > >> Trip > > >> Superb Roger. > > >> I spent 20 years north of muskegon, west of 131... > > >> Coming " home" twice a year for the steelhead runs. > > >> I thought you might be in Wisconsin, but we can surely meet up someday > > as > > >> we're only 100 miles apart?! > > >> All the best everyone, > > >> TVH > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 6:46 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >>> Hi Tom, > > >>> OK, me & my boat, let?s see ? here?s a picture of me moving > > >> hand-over-hand > > >>> thru a narrow crack: > > >>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D68871.F0D4FAE0] > > >>> Here?s a picture of me paddling along a shear cliff: > > >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > >>> Here?s a picture of the 4 of us at sunset at Mosquito River > > >>> [cid:image007.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > >>> If you literally meant you wanted to see a picture of my kayak, here > it > > >> is > > >>> by itself on the beach at Hurricane River: > > >>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > >>> The kayak is a 2013 Delta 14.5 Expedition. > > >>> The nearest point on Lake Michigan to me is Ludington, which is ~117 > > >> miles > > >>> from my house. If you check the R-22 archives, you will find some > > >> pictures > > >>> & stories of the towing rig we use to tow the kayaks behind S/V > Dynamic > > >>> Equilibrium. > > >>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>> Sent from Mail for > > >>> Windows 10 > > >>> From: Tom Van Heule > > >>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 PM > > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea > Kayaking > > >>> Trip > > >>> Rodger, looks like a great time with the family! > > >>> Surely you didn't take one picture of your boat on the trip? > > >>> We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters > as > > >> soon > > >>> as a slip opens up. > > >>> At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and > other > > >>> work. > > >>> Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? > > >>> Tvh > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > >> wrote: > > >>>> Hi All, > > >>>> Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > > >>>> kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped > at > > >> Bay > > >>>> Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, > > >>> shuttled a > > >>>> vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, > we > > >>>> put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > > >>>> Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to > Beaver > > >>> Creek > > >>>> Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River > > >>>> Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a > > very > > >>>> exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea > > >> stacks > > >>>> on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled > > beyond > > >>> the > > >>>> cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I > have > > >>>> included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly > > >>> endless > > >>>> sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to > > >> plan > > >>>> over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > > >>>> to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > > >>>> paddling. The sand dunes all start to look the same after a while. > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 264376 bytes > > >>> Desc: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > > >>> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment.jpg > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 182045 bytes > > >>> Desc: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > > >>> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0001.jpg > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 114457 bytes > > >>> Desc: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > > >>> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0002.jpg > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 268390 bytes > > >>> Desc: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > > >>> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0003.jpg > > > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 07:54:55 2020 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 07:54:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <8FC98A15-13B3-4820-8B26-D59BD82483B2@gmail.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> <8FC98A15-13B3-4820-8B26-D59BD82483B2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3A59EC7A-3668-4BED-9E7D-7835197079E0@gmail.com> Correction: my Tohatsu is 8 HP, not 9. In case anyone is counting . . . > On Sep 11, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > > I have a 9 HP Tohatsu; not sure how long the shaft is, but it?s of a sufficient length that when I lift it with the motor mount, the prop is out of the water. The motor mount is a GB original. > > Frank > > Frank Goldsmith > Asheville, NC > > S/V ?Mary Bess? > Lake Keowee, SC > >> On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:46 AM, Ric Stott wrote: >> >> Dear Rhodes >> How long is your shaft? >> Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. >> I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: >> 1. HP >> 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? >> 3. Motor mount type >> Ex. GB original/ manual >> GB original electric >> GB converted E to M or M to E >> 3rd party parallelogram type >> Custom. >> Currently I have >> 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc >> 2. 25? >> 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. >> >> I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. >> I?ll report findings to da list. >> Ric >> Sv Dadventure >> Hampton Bays NY >> Sent from my iPhone > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sun Sep 13 12:31:10 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 11:31:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Message-ID: Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single axle. Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem crotch full retracted worked perfect. Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a tractor pull... Hope everyone had a great weekend. Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3275134 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 11:31 AM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching > our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, > the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on > the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single > axle. > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem crotch > full retracted worked perfect. > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a tractor > pull... > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > Tom > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3275134 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4169607 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/attachment-0001.jpg > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun Sep 13 15:07:40 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 19:07:40 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Tom, What is IR? In July, 2010, I did a long weekend cruise with my 2 sons and their wives in Door County, WI aboard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium. On Friday afternoon, we launched from Gill?s Rock on the tip of the Door Peninsula. We sailed out to Detroit Harbor on Washington Island. We took a slip for the night at Cap?s Marina, arriving just ahead of a thunderstorm. In fact, the rain started falling and lightening flashed just as we finished tying up the boat in its slip. We grabbed our foul weather gear and ran into the marina?s restaurant. Fortunately, by the time we?d finished dinner, the rain had let up. We gave Gary & Marie the privacy of the cabin that night and the rest of us camped at Washington Island Campground. The campground picked us up at the marina, drove the 3 of us to the campground, and drove us back to the boat the next morning. On Saturday, there were small craft warnings, 15-20 knots out of the northwest and 4-6 ft waves. Never the less, we suited up in our foul weather gear, PFD?s and safety harnesses and slogged up the west side of Washington Island. We stayed about ? mile offshore as the west side of Washington Island is all shear cliffs, which would have made a very unforgiving lee shore. Even from ? mile away, the waves breaking against the cliffs were an impressive and somewhat scary sight! We were all pretty wet and tired by the time we cleared Boyer Bluff on the north end of the island. In order for everyone to have a break and have a civilized lunch, we ducked into Washington Harbor in the wind shadow of Boyer Bluff, and hove to. After lunch and about an hour?s rest, we continued east along the north shore of Washington Island to Jackson Harbor in the northeast corner. We would have actually preferred to take a slip in a little marina on Rock Island which is run by the Rock Island State Park. But, late on a Saturday afternoon in July, they were full up. Sigh, that?s the reality of small sailboat cruising. You often arrive late in the day and the powerboats have taken all the slips. So, we took a slip in the public marina in Jackson Harbor. Saturday night, we gave Daniel & Heather the boat cabin while Gary, Marie, and I again camped at Washington Island Campground. Again, the campground offered us pickup and delivery service. On Sunday morning, the wind had not let up and no boats had left the Rock Island Marina. I could stand on the breakwater at Jackson Harbor and count boats and slips in Rock Island Marina about 7/8 mile away thru my binoculars. So, we took the ferry from Jackson Harbor to Rock Island on Sunday morning. We hiked over to the Pottwatomie light house, toured the restored guest and boat house at the state park marina, and went hiking in Rock Island State Park. The wind was letting up by the time we took the ferry back to Jackson Harbor. We decided we would sail back to Gill?s Rock that night. We motor sailed all the way west along the north shore of Washington Island just to enable S/V Dynamic Equilibrium to sail a little closer to the dying breeze and punch into the left over chop from the morning. As we rounded Boyer Bluff and headed southwest toward Gill?s Rock, we decided to try flying the triradial spinnaker and mainsail. After a couple of frustrating miles of trying to keep the spinnaker inflated, we dropped the triradial spinnaker and flew the 150% genoa on a whisker pole and the mainsail. At least this stopped the collapsing chute. But, after a few more miles we fired up the motor just to get the boat speed up. I didn?t want to be putting the boat on the trailer and unrigging in the dark. I left the sails up and maybe they added an extra knot of boat speed. By the time we reached Gill?s Rock, the wind had gone almost dead calm, which made recovery onto the trailer nice and easy. In Gill?s Rock, we recovered and unrigged the boat, finishing up just after sunset. Then, we had a nice fish dinner at the Shoreline Restaurant in Gill?s Rock. After dinner, we said our goodbyes and all went our separate ways. I got home early Monday morning and took Monday off work to unpack and recover. So, that?s my one experience with sailing in Door County and braving the Porte Des Morts Passage (Death?s Door Passage)! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Tom Van Heule Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 4:51 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip It will be an amazing trip if you get up there. I did a week of backpacking for my arrow of light on IR. Ill need more practice on our Rhodes in lake Michigan before I am conifient try Superior. Maybe we can do a door county run next year. On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 9:18 AM Stephen Staum wrote: > Great Pictures Roger. Thanks for sharing. > > > *Stephen Staum* > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > *1983 Rhodes 22* > *Needham, MA* > > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Originally, the kayak towing harness for S/V Dynamic Equilibrium was to > > facilitate a Sailing/Kayaking High Adventure Trip wherein we were going > > circumnavigate Isle Royale in western Lake Superior. This trip was going > > to be in the summer of 2002 using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a mother > > ship. Unfortunately, 9/11 happened and the US economy went into a deep > > recession. I got laid off in the spring of 2002 and the trip had to be > > postponed. Between going back to school to get another degree in > > mechanical engineering, searching for a new job, and the boys going off > to > > college and starting their own careers; the Isle Royale trip never > > happened. Since then, we have started including my brother-in-law, Ken, > in > > our High Adventure trips. There is a story in the R-22 archives about a > > voyage to Garden Island in northern Lake Michigan aboard S/V Dynamic > > Equilibrium. It was Ken?s 1st blue water sailing experience and we kind > of > > scared him on the return trip. I haven?t suggested any sailing High > > Adventure Trips since then. > > > > The word around the campfire on the Pictured Rocks High Adventure Trip > was > > everyone was interested in going back to the Apostle Islands in western > > Lake Superior by sea kayak in the summer of 2021. We only visited 4 > > islands out of 22 in the archipelago the last time we were there. I may > > explore how Ken would feel about using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a > mother > > ship for the kayaks. We would definitely be able to cover more water. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:12 PM, Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > ?We're in northwest Waukesha county. > > > Probably an hour or so from you son. > > > Absolutely on your way via 94, maybe 10 minutes off course. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > IMG_20200730_204146.jpg > > > < > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/19_hhNDm1YrRJA14JZsWkxeDbks_khaZh/view?usp=drivesdk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >> Hi Tom, > > >> My younger son, Gary & family, live in Wyocena, WI, which is a > northern > > >> suburb of Madison, WI. Gary is a police detective on the Madison > Police > > >> Dept. Driving around Chicago, IL, it?s about a 500 mile drive from my > > >> house. Where in Wisconsin do you live? > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >> Sent from Mail for > > >> Windows 10 > > >> From: Tom Van Heule > > >> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:58 PM > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea > Kayaking > > >> Trip > > >> Superb Roger. > > >> I spent 20 years north of muskegon, west of 131... > > >> Coming " home" twice a year for the steelhead runs. > > >> I thought you might be in Wisconsin, but we can surely meet up someday > > as > > >> we're only 100 miles apart?! > > >> All the best everyone, > > >> TVH > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 6:46 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > >>> Hi Tom, > > >>> OK, me & my boat, let?s see ? here?s a picture of me moving > > >> hand-over-hand > > >>> thru a narrow crack: > > >>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D68871.F0D4FAE0] > > >>> Here?s a picture of me paddling along a shear cliff: > > >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > >>> Here?s a picture of the 4 of us at sunset at Mosquito River > > >>> [cid:image007.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > >>> If you literally meant you wanted to see a picture of my kayak, here > it > > >> is > > >>> by itself on the beach at Hurricane River: > > >>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > >>> The kayak is a 2013 Delta 14.5 Expedition. > > >>> The nearest point on Lake Michigan to me is Ludington, which is ~117 > > >> miles > > >>> from my house. If you check the R-22 archives, you will find some > > >> pictures > > >>> & stories of the towing rig we use to tow the kayaks behind S/V > Dynamic > > >>> Equilibrium. > > >>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>> Sent from Mail for > > >>> Windows 10 > > >>> From: Tom Van Heule > > >>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 PM > > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea > Kayaking > > >>> Trip > > >>> Rodger, looks like a great time with the family! > > >>> Surely you didn't take one picture of your boat on the trip? > > >>> We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters > as > > >> soon > > >>> as a slip opens up. > > >>> At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and > other > > >>> work. > > >>> Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? > > >>> Tvh > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > >> wrote: > > >>>> Hi All, > > >>>> Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > > >>>> kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped > at > > >> Bay > > >>>> Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, > > >>> shuttled a > > >>>> vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, > we > > >>>> put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > > >>>> Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to > Beaver > > >>> Creek > > >>>> Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane River > > >>>> Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a > > very > > >>>> exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea > > >> stacks > > >>>> on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled > > beyond > > >>> the > > >>>> cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I > have > > >>>> included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly > > >>> endless > > >>>> sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip to > > >> plan > > >>>> over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > > >>>> to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > > >>>> paddling. The sand dunes all start to look the same after a while. > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 264376 bytes > > >>> Desc: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > > >>> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment.jpg > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 182045 bytes > > >>> Desc: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > > >>> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0001.jpg > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 114457 bytes > > >>> Desc: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > > >>> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0002.jpg > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > >>> Name: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > >>> Size: 268390 bytes > > >>> Desc: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > > >>> URL: < > > >> > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0003.jpg > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sun Sep 13 15:35:03 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:35:03 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jesse, I have for the first season, left the rudder on for local ( under 10 miles round) trips. It isn't something I wanted to wrestle with in the cabin up to twice a week. I thought of maybe fabbing up a shelf up front on the trailer... But as I usually have ' original' ideas, in this case I would think that would have been put in already if it worked.... I am lucky to be able to get out on some Wednesdays and all weekends this fall. So spending literally 15 minutes mounting and storing the rudder each dunk isn't attractive. If I had a truck bed I would reconsider, but tucking it up in the vberth and risking damage from the wisconsin roads, or myself...eek. We will put her in a milwaukee slip for lake michigan asap. Anyone know of a slip around milwaukee? Would be super cool to park next to another Rhodie. Cheers, Tvh On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 12:40 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Tom, sorry to hear about the bunk issue. Regarding the retrieval process, > I just winch tight while it's still floating and that has worked for me. > I've only retrieved on two ramps, one is very gradual and another with > medium steepness. It worked well in both cases. > > I noticed the rudder is on in your photo. Do you leave that on for > trailering? I've always removed the rudder and stowed it in the v-berth > for towing. It's not exactly easy to get it back there but it adds to > tongue weight and isn't putting pressure on the stern. I also help secure > my motor by attaching extra straps that go over the stern rail and to the > aft cleats. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 11:31 AM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching > > our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge > weight, > > the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on > > the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single > > axle. > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't > see a > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem crotch > > full retracted worked perfect. > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a > tractor > > pull... > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > Tom > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/attachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_1186.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 215182 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sun Sep 13 15:45:05 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:45:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rodger, you have a great way with words. I try to keep it short as I am usually on mobile. That's a great story, sounds like a gas. This boat shall fear no 4 footers eh?! We will have to meet up someday. IR=Isle Royale.... Sorry for acyrnomisms. Appreciate you taking the time, again, Best, Tom On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 2:07 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Tom, > > What is IR? > > In July, 2010, I did a long weekend cruise with my 2 sons and their wives > in Door County, WI aboard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium. On Friday afternoon, we > launched from Gill?s Rock on the tip of the Door Peninsula. We sailed out > to Detroit Harbor on Washington Island. We took a slip for the night at > Cap?s Marina, arriving just ahead of a thunderstorm. In fact, the rain > started falling and lightening flashed just as we finished tying up the > boat in its slip. We grabbed our foul weather gear and ran into the > marina?s restaurant. Fortunately, by the time we?d finished dinner, the > rain had let up. We gave Gary & Marie the privacy of the cabin that night > and the rest of us camped at Washington Island Campground. The campground > picked us up at the marina, drove the 3 of us to the campground, and drove > us back to the boat the next morning. On Saturday, there were small craft > warnings, 15-20 knots out of the northwest and 4-6 ft waves. Never the > less, we suited up in our foul weather gear, PFD?s and safety harnesses and > slogged up the west side of Washington Island. We stayed about ? mile > offshore as the west side of Washington Island is all shear cliffs, which > would have made a very unforgiving lee shore. Even from ? mile away, the > waves breaking against the cliffs were an impressive and somewhat scary > sight! We were all pretty wet and tired by the time we cleared Boyer Bluff > on the north end of the island. In order for everyone to have a break and > have a civilized lunch, we ducked into Washington Harbor in the wind shadow > of Boyer Bluff, and hove to. After lunch and about an hour?s rest, we > continued east along the north shore of Washington Island to Jackson Harbor > in the northeast corner. We would have actually preferred to take a slip > in a little marina on Rock Island which is run by the Rock Island State > Park. But, late on a Saturday afternoon in July, they were full up. Sigh, > that?s the reality of small sailboat cruising. You often arrive late in > the day and the powerboats have taken all the slips. So, we took a slip in > the public marina in Jackson Harbor. Saturday night, we gave Daniel & > Heather the boat cabin while Gary, Marie, and I again camped at Washington > Island Campground. Again, the campground offered us pickup and delivery > service. On Sunday morning, the wind had not let up and no boats had left > the Rock Island Marina. I could stand on the breakwater at Jackson Harbor > and count boats and slips in Rock Island Marina about 7/8 mile away thru my > binoculars. So, we took the ferry from Jackson Harbor to Rock Island on > Sunday morning. We hiked over to the Pottwatomie light house, toured the > restored guest and boat house at the state park marina, and went hiking in > Rock Island State Park. The wind was letting up by the time we took the > ferry back to Jackson Harbor. We decided we would sail back to Gill?s Rock > that night. We motor sailed all the way west along the north shore of > Washington Island just to enable S/V Dynamic Equilibrium to sail a little > closer to the dying breeze and punch into the left over chop from the > morning. As we rounded Boyer Bluff and headed southwest toward Gill?s > Rock, we decided to try flying the triradial spinnaker and mainsail. After > a couple of frustrating miles of trying to keep the spinnaker inflated, we > dropped the triradial spinnaker and flew the 150% genoa on a whisker pole > and the mainsail. At least this stopped the collapsing chute. But, after a > few more miles we fired up the motor just to get the boat speed up. I > didn?t want to be putting the boat on the trailer and unrigging in the > dark. I left the sails up and maybe they added an extra knot of boat > speed. By the time we reached Gill?s Rock, the wind had gone almost dead > calm, which made recovery onto the trailer nice and easy. In Gill?s Rock, > we recovered and unrigged the boat, finishing up just after sunset. Then, > we had a nice fish dinner at the Shoreline Restaurant in Gill?s Rock. > After dinner, we said our goodbyes and all went our separate ways. I got > home early Monday morning and took Monday off work to unpack and recover. > > So, that?s my one experience with sailing in Door County and braving the > Porte Des Morts Passage (Death?s Door Passage)! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Tom Van Heule > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 4:51 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking > Trip > > It will be an amazing trip if you get up there. > I did a week of backpacking for my arrow of light on IR. > > Ill need more practice on our Rhodes in lake Michigan before I am conifient > try Superior. > > Maybe we can do a door county run next year. > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 9:18 AM Stephen Staum wrote: > > > Great Pictures Roger. Thanks for sharing. > > > > > > *Stephen Staum* > > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > > *1983 Rhodes 22* > > *Needham, MA* > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > Originally, the kayak towing harness for S/V Dynamic Equilibrium was to > > > facilitate a Sailing/Kayaking High Adventure Trip wherein we were going > > > circumnavigate Isle Royale in western Lake Superior. This trip was > going > > > to be in the summer of 2002 using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a mother > > > ship. Unfortunately, 9/11 happened and the US economy went into a deep > > > recession. I got laid off in the spring of 2002 and the trip had to be > > > postponed. Between going back to school to get another degree in > > > mechanical engineering, searching for a new job, and the boys going off > > to > > > college and starting their own careers; the Isle Royale trip never > > > happened. Since then, we have started including my brother-in-law, > Ken, > > in > > > our High Adventure trips. There is a story in the R-22 archives about > a > > > voyage to Garden Island in northern Lake Michigan aboard S/V Dynamic > > > Equilibrium. It was Ken?s 1st blue water sailing experience and we > kind > > of > > > scared him on the return trip. I haven?t suggested any sailing High > > > Adventure Trips since then. > > > > > > The word around the campfire on the Pictured Rocks High Adventure Trip > > was > > > everyone was interested in going back to the Apostle Islands in western > > > Lake Superior by sea kayak in the summer of 2021. We only visited 4 > > > islands out of 22 in the archipelago the last time we were there. I > may > > > explore how Ken would feel about using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a > > mother > > > ship for the kayaks. We would definitely be able to cover more water. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:12 PM, Tom Van Heule < > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?We're in northwest Waukesha county. > > > > Probably an hour or so from you son. > > > > Absolutely on your way via 94, maybe 10 minutes off course. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > IMG_20200730_204146.jpg > > > > < > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/19_hhNDm1YrRJA14JZsWkxeDbks_khaZh/view?usp=drivesdk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Tom, > > > >> My younger son, Gary & family, live in Wyocena, WI, which is a > > northern > > > >> suburb of Madison, WI. Gary is a police detective on the Madison > > Police > > > >> Dept. Driving around Chicago, IL, it?s about a 500 mile drive from > my > > > >> house. Where in Wisconsin do you live? > > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >> Sent from Mail for > > > >> Windows 10 > > > >> From: Tom Van Heule > > > >> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:58 PM > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea > > Kayaking > > > >> Trip > > > >> Superb Roger. > > > >> I spent 20 years north of muskegon, west of 131... > > > >> Coming " home" twice a year for the steelhead runs. > > > >> I thought you might be in Wisconsin, but we can surely meet up > someday > > > as > > > >> we're only 100 miles apart?! > > > >> All the best everyone, > > > >> TVH > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 6:46 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > wrote: > > > >>> Hi Tom, > > > >>> OK, me & my boat, let?s see ? here?s a picture of me moving > > > >> hand-over-hand > > > >>> thru a narrow crack: > > > >>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D68871.F0D4FAE0] > > > >>> Here?s a picture of me paddling along a shear cliff: > > > >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > > >>> Here?s a picture of the 4 of us at sunset at Mosquito River > > > >>> [cid:image007.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > > >>> If you literally meant you wanted to see a picture of my kayak, > here > > it > > > >> is > > > >>> by itself on the beach at Hurricane River: > > > >>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > > >>> The kayak is a 2013 Delta 14.5 Expedition. > > > >>> The nearest point on Lake Michigan to me is Ludington, which is > ~117 > > > >> miles > > > >>> from my house. If you check the R-22 archives, you will find some > > > >> pictures > > > >>> & stories of the towing rig we use to tow the kayaks behind S/V > > Dynamic > > > >>> Equilibrium. > > > >>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>> Sent from Mail for > > > >>> Windows 10 > > > >>> From: Tom Van Heule > > > >>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 PM > > > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea > > Kayaking > > > >>> Trip > > > >>> Rodger, looks like a great time with the family! > > > >>> Surely you didn't take one picture of your boat on the trip? > > > >>> We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters > > as > > > >> soon > > > >>> as a slip opens up. > > > >>> At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and > > other > > > >>> work. > > > >>> Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? > > > >>> Tvh > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>>> Hi All, > > > >>>> Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > > > >>>> kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped > > at > > > >> Bay > > > >>>> Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, > > > >>> shuttled a > > > >>>> vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, > > we > > > >>>> put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > > > >>>> Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to > > Beaver > > > >>> Creek > > > >>>> Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane > River > > > >>>> Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a > > > very > > > >>>> exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea > > > >> stacks > > > >>>> on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled > > > beyond > > > >>> the > > > >>>> cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I > > have > > > >>>> included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly > > > >>> endless > > > >>>> sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip > to > > > >> plan > > > >>>> over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > > > >>>> to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > > > >>>> paddling. The sand dunes all start to look the same after a > while. > > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 264376 bytes > > > >>> Desc: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > > > >>> URL: < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment.jpg > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 182045 bytes > > > >>> Desc: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > > > >>> URL: < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0001.jpg > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 114457 bytes > > > >>> Desc: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > > > >>> URL: < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0002.jpg > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 268390 bytes > > > >>> Desc: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > > > >>> URL: < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun Sep 13 16:30:11 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:30:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ec01d68a0c$af755030$0e5ff090$@ca> Roger: I too appreciate these references. I have been sailing for 30 years and still consider myself to be a complete novice on the topic. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 8:55 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Jesse, I hesitated to write the post because I was a little afraid you might be offended by unsolicited "help". I'm glad you're OK with it. North Sails puts out a lot of information on sail trim. If you get a chance over the winter, try to attend one of their seminars. They used to have a seminar called, "North U. TRIM". I don't know if this seminar is still offered; but, it was excellent! The companion textbook is: Bill Gladstone, "North U. TRIM, The World's Most Comprehensive Resource On Boatspeed and Boathandling", 2007, North U., Madison, CT, ISBN: 0-9724361-1-1 The companion North U. TRIM seminar video disk is: ISBN: 978-0-9770952-6-1 If you would like a laminated guide (cheatsheet) on sail trim & rig tuning, try: Bill Gladstone, "Captain's Quick Guides: Sail Trim and Rig Tuning", International Marine Div. of McGraw-Hill, www.internationalmarine.com , ISBN: 0-07-144013-5 My personal favorite from North Sails is, "The Shape of Speed". My copy is old and it's on VHS tape (Yes I'm that old!): "The Shape of Speed, R329", Produced For North Sails By Bennett Marine Video, Marina Del Ray, CA, (213) 821-3329, ISBN: 97278-0329-3 Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:04 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Roger, thanks for the sail trim tips and the traveler instruction in particular. My to do list for this fall includes adding tell tales to the leech of the main which should help with sail trim. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jessie, > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like > pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the > leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get > the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward > and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa's leech can be > cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you > may have it too tight. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > Lake Manawa > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing > > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some > photos > > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > qualify > > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now > > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's > > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there > > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the > seminar > > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the crowd > > favorite! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 379148 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at tachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 579329 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at tachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 587340 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at tachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 415946 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at tachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun Sep 13 17:47:47 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:47:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: <00ec01d68a0c$af755030$0e5ff090$@ca> References: <00ec01d68a0c$af755030$0e5ff090$@ca> Message-ID: <010001d68a17$8772fff0$9658ffd0$@ca> I just found the video that Roger refers to here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gA-3T-95YQ Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:30 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Roger: I too appreciate these references. I have been sailing for 30 years and still consider myself to be a complete novice on the topic. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 8:55 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Jesse, I hesitated to write the post because I was a little afraid you might be offended by unsolicited "help". I'm glad you're OK with it. North Sails puts out a lot of information on sail trim. If you get a chance over the winter, try to attend one of their seminars. They used to have a seminar called, "North U. TRIM". I don't know if this seminar is still offered; but, it was excellent! The companion textbook is: Bill Gladstone, "North U. TRIM, The World's Most Comprehensive Resource On Boatspeed and Boathandling", 2007, North U., Madison, CT, ISBN: 0-9724361-1-1 The companion North U. TRIM seminar video disk is: ISBN: 978-0-9770952-6-1 If you would like a laminated guide (cheatsheet) on sail trim & rig tuning, try: Bill Gladstone, "Captain's Quick Guides: Sail Trim and Rig Tuning", International Marine Div. of McGraw-Hill, www.internationalmarine.com , ISBN: 0-07-144013-5 My personal favorite from North Sails is, "The Shape of Speed". My copy is old and it's on VHS tape (Yes I'm that old!): "The Shape of Speed, R329", Produced For North Sails By Bennett Marine Video, Marina Del Ray, CA, (213) 821-3329, ISBN: 97278-0329-3 Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:04 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa Roger, thanks for the sail trim tips and the traveler instruction in particular. My to do list for this fall includes adding tell tales to the leech of the main which should help with sail trim. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 PM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jessie, > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like > pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the > leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get > the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward > and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa's leech can be > cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you > may have it too tight. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > Lake Manawa > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing > > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some > photos > > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > qualify > > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now > > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's > > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there > > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the > seminar > > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the crowd > > favorite! > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 379148 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at tachment.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 579329 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at tachment-0001.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 587340 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at tachment-0002.jpg > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 415946 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at tachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 18:12:15 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:12:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You know Roger, When Greek Enosis is sold we will have to do something each summer with the other stateside Rhodes. Your area sounds Like a delightful Cruising area. Thanks! Chris G Enosis On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 at 15:07, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Tom, > > What is IR? > > In July, 2010, I did a long weekend cruise with my 2 sons and their wives > in Door County, WI aboard S/V Dynamic Equilibrium. On Friday afternoon, we > launched from Gill?s Rock on the tip of the Door Peninsula. We sailed out > to Detroit Harbor on Washington Island. We took a slip for the night at > Cap?s Marina, arriving just ahead of a thunderstorm. In fact, the rain > started falling and lightening flashed just as we finished tying up the > boat in its slip. We grabbed our foul weather gear and ran into the > marina?s restaurant. Fortunately, by the time we?d finished dinner, the > rain had let up. We gave Gary & Marie the privacy of the cabin that night > and the rest of us camped at Washington Island Campground. The campground > picked us up at the marina, drove the 3 of us to the campground, and drove > us back to the boat the next morning. On Saturday, there were small craft > warnings, 15-20 knots out of the northwest and 4-6 ft waves. Never the > less, we suited up in our foul weather gear, PFD?s and safety harnesses and > slogged up the west side of Washington Island. We stayed about ? mile > offshore as the west side of Washington Island is all shear cliffs, which > would have made a very unforgiving lee shore. Even from ? mile away, the > waves breaking against the cliffs were an impressive and somewhat scary > sight! We were all pretty wet and tired by the time we cleared Boyer Bluff > on the north end of the island. In order for everyone to have a break and > have a civilized lunch, we ducked into Washington Harbor in the wind shadow > of Boyer Bluff, and hove to. After lunch and about an hour?s rest, we > continued east along the north shore of Washington Island to Jackson Harbor > in the northeast corner. We would have actually preferred to take a slip > in a little marina on Rock Island which is run by the Rock Island State > Park. But, late on a Saturday afternoon in July, they were full up. Sigh, > that?s the reality of small sailboat cruising. You often arrive late in > the day and the powerboats have taken all the slips. So, we took a slip in > the public marina in Jackson Harbor. Saturday night, we gave Daniel & > Heather the boat cabin while Gary, Marie, and I again camped at Washington > Island Campground. Again, the campground offered us pickup and delivery > service. On Sunday morning, the wind had not let up and no boats had left > the Rock Island Marina. I could stand on the breakwater at Jackson Harbor > and count boats and slips in Rock Island Marina about 7/8 mile away thru my > binoculars. So, we took the ferry from Jackson Harbor to Rock Island on > Sunday morning. We hiked over to the Pottwatomie light house, toured the > restored guest and boat house at the state park marina, and went hiking in > Rock Island State Park. The wind was letting up by the time we took the > ferry back to Jackson Harbor. We decided we would sail back to Gill?s Rock > that night. We motor sailed all the way west along the north shore of > Washington Island just to enable S/V Dynamic Equilibrium to sail a little > closer to the dying breeze and punch into the left over chop from the > morning. As we rounded Boyer Bluff and headed southwest toward Gill?s > Rock, we decided to try flying the triradial spinnaker and mainsail. After > a couple of frustrating miles of trying to keep the spinnaker inflated, we > dropped the triradial spinnaker and flew the 150% genoa on a whisker pole > and the mainsail. At least this stopped the collapsing chute. But, after a > few more miles we fired up the motor just to get the boat speed up. I > didn?t want to be putting the boat on the trailer and unrigging in the > dark. I left the sails up and maybe they added an extra knot of boat > speed. By the time we reached Gill?s Rock, the wind had gone almost dead > calm, which made recovery onto the trailer nice and easy. In Gill?s Rock, > we recovered and unrigged the boat, finishing up just after sunset. Then, > we had a nice fish dinner at the Shoreline Restaurant in Gill?s Rock. > After dinner, we said our goodbyes and all went our separate ways. I got > home early Monday morning and took Monday off work to unpack and recover. > > So, that?s my one experience with sailing in Door County and braving the > Porte Des Morts Passage (Death?s Door Passage)! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Tom Van Heule > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 4:51 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea Kayaking > Trip > > It will be an amazing trip if you get up there. > I did a week of backpacking for my arrow of light on IR. > > Ill need more practice on our Rhodes in lake Michigan before I am conifient > try Superior. > > Maybe we can do a door county run next year. > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 9:18 AM Stephen Staum wrote: > > > Great Pictures Roger. Thanks for sharing. > > > > > > *Stephen Staum* > > *s/v Carol Lee 2* > > *1983 Rhodes 22* > > *Needham, MA* > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:05 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > Originally, the kayak towing harness for S/V Dynamic Equilibrium was to > > > facilitate a Sailing/Kayaking High Adventure Trip wherein we were going > > > circumnavigate Isle Royale in western Lake Superior. This trip was > going > > > to be in the summer of 2002 using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a mother > > > ship. Unfortunately, 9/11 happened and the US economy went into a deep > > > recession. I got laid off in the spring of 2002 and the trip had to be > > > postponed. Between going back to school to get another degree in > > > mechanical engineering, searching for a new job, and the boys going off > > to > > > college and starting their own careers; the Isle Royale trip never > > > happened. Since then, we have started including my brother-in-law, > Ken, > > in > > > our High Adventure trips. There is a story in the R-22 archives about > a > > > voyage to Garden Island in northern Lake Michigan aboard S/V Dynamic > > > Equilibrium. It was Ken?s 1st blue water sailing experience and we > kind > > of > > > scared him on the return trip. I haven?t suggested any sailing High > > > Adventure Trips since then. > > > > > > The word around the campfire on the Pictured Rocks High Adventure Trip > > was > > > everyone was interested in going back to the Apostle Islands in western > > > Lake Superior by sea kayak in the summer of 2021. We only visited 4 > > > islands out of 22 in the archipelago the last time we were there. I > may > > > explore how Ken would feel about using S/V Dynamic Equilibrium as a > > mother > > > ship for the kayaks. We would definitely be able to cover more water. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2020, at 8:12 PM, Tom Van Heule < > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > ?We're in northwest Waukesha county. > > > > Probably an hour or so from you son. > > > > Absolutely on your way via 94, maybe 10 minutes off course. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > IMG_20200730_204146.jpg > > > > < > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/19_hhNDm1YrRJA14JZsWkxeDbks_khaZh/view?usp=drivesdk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 7:04 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > wrote: > > > >> Hi Tom, > > > >> My younger son, Gary & family, live in Wyocena, WI, which is a > > northern > > > >> suburb of Madison, WI. Gary is a police detective on the Madison > > Police > > > >> Dept. Driving around Chicago, IL, it?s about a 500 mile drive from > my > > > >> house. Where in Wisconsin do you live? > > > >> Roger Pihlaja > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >> Sent from Mail for > > > >> Windows 10 > > > >> From: Tom Van Heule > > > >> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 7:58 PM > > > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea > > Kayaking > > > >> Trip > > > >> Superb Roger. > > > >> I spent 20 years north of muskegon, west of 131... > > > >> Coming " home" twice a year for the steelhead runs. > > > >> I thought you might be in Wisconsin, but we can surely meet up > someday > > > as > > > >> we're only 100 miles apart?! > > > >> All the best everyone, > > > >> TVH > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 6:46 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > wrote: > > > >>> Hi Tom, > > > >>> OK, me & my boat, let?s see ? here?s a picture of me moving > > > >> hand-over-hand > > > >>> thru a narrow crack: > > > >>> [cid:image004.jpg at 01D68871.F0D4FAE0] > > > >>> Here?s a picture of me paddling along a shear cliff: > > > >>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > > >>> Here?s a picture of the 4 of us at sunset at Mosquito River > > > >>> [cid:image007.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > > >>> If you literally meant you wanted to see a picture of my kayak, > here > > it > > > >> is > > > >>> by itself on the beach at Hurricane River: > > > >>> [cid:image010.jpg at 01D68874.485C9820] > > > >>> The kayak is a 2013 Delta 14.5 Expedition. > > > >>> The nearest point on Lake Michigan to me is Ludington, which is > ~117 > > > >> miles > > > >>> from my house. If you check the R-22 archives, you will find some > > > >> pictures > > > >>> & stories of the towing rig we use to tow the kayaks behind S/V > > Dynamic > > > >>> Equilibrium. > > > >>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>> Sent from Mail for > > > >>> Windows 10 > > > >>> From: Tom Van Heule > > > >>> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:27 PM > > > >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] High Adventure Pictured Rocks Sea > > Kayaking > > > >>> Trip > > > >>> Rodger, looks like a great time with the family! > > > >>> Surely you didn't take one picture of your boat on the trip? > > > >>> We must not be too far apart, lake michigan will be our home waters > > as > > > >> soon > > > >>> as a slip opens up. > > > >>> At which point I will send the trailer in for a beefier axle and > > other > > > >>> work. > > > >>> Do you tow/stow the kayaks on the r22? > > > >>> Tvh > > > >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 5:22 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > >> wrote: > > > >>>> Hi All, > > > >>>> Here are some photos from my Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore sea > > > >>>> kayaking trip with my brother-in-law, and two sons. We car camped > > at > > > >> Bay > > > >>>> Furnace Campground in Christmas, MI on the night of August 20th, > > > >>> shuttled a > > > >>>> vehicle to our take-out point, and sorted out gear. The next day, > > we > > > >>>> put-in at Sand Point in Munising, MI and paddled to Mosquito River > > > >>>> Campground, ~8.0 miles. The 2nd day, we paddled ~8.9 miles to > > Beaver > > > >>> Creek > > > >>>> Campground. The 3rd day, we paddled ~10.0 miles to Hurricane > River > > > >>>> Campground. We were extremely fortunate with weather as this is a > > > very > > > >>>> exposed coastline. There were some sea caves, waterfalls, and sea > > > >> stacks > > > >>>> on day 1; but, the best were on day 2. By day 3, we had paddled > > > beyond > > > >>> the > > > >>>> cliffs of the Pictured Rocks into the Grand Sable Dunes area. I > > have > > > >>>> included a picture of what the dunes looked like. These seemingly > > > >>> endless > > > >>>> sand dunes have their own unique beauty. But, if I had the trip > to > > > >> plan > > > >>>> over again, I think I would have moved our take-out > > > >>>> to Twelvemile Beach Campground, and skipped the last 3 miles of > > > >>>> paddling. The sand dunes all start to look the same after a > while. > > > >>>> Roger Pihlaja > > > >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 264376 bytes > > > >>> Desc: DA69AD2C4C5E4FA38CE4BDF7B238630A.jpg > > > >>> URL: < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment.jpg > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 182045 bytes > > > >>> Desc: 2B9F56B723364B5D9E7D59EE46693EB7.jpg > > > >>> URL: < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0001.jpg > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 114457 bytes > > > >>> Desc: A4663B5A27EA483F962A138E7ADD2613.jpg > > > >>> URL: < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0002.jpg > > > >>> -------------- next part -------------- > > > >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > >>> Name: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > > > >>> Type: image/jpeg > > > >>> Size: 268390 bytes > > > >>> Desc: 6882128C75A543289046A4F561A1271E.jpg > > > >>> URL: < > > > >> > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200911/5015be53/attachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 18:38:16 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:38:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa In-Reply-To: <010001d68a17$8772fff0$9658ffd0$@ca> References: <00ec01d68a0c$af755030$0e5ff090$@ca> <010001d68a17$8772fff0$9658ffd0$@ca> Message-ID: Thanks Graham, that is now on my youtube play list. I've found the format of the NauticEd courses to be helpful and they are priced at a good value, so their sail trim course is on my to do list (which seems to grow ever longer by the day). Roger, I ordered the Captain?s Quick Guides: Sail Trim and Rig Tuning that you recommended. I figured it would be helpful to have something concise right on board so I can check that out while I'm on the water. Whenever I capture some additional photos of Zephyr in action, we'll see if my skills have improved! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 4:47 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > I just found the video that Roger refers to here: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gA-3T-95YQ > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > Graham Stewart > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 4:30 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake > Manawa > > Roger: > > I too appreciate these references. I have been sailing for 30 years and > still consider myself to be a complete novice on the topic. > > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2020 8:55 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake > Manawa > > Jesse, > > I hesitated to write the post because I was a little afraid you might be > offended by unsolicited "help". I'm glad you're OK with it. > > North Sails puts out a lot of information on sail trim. If you get a > chance > over the winter, try to attend one of their seminars. They used to have a > seminar called, "North U. TRIM". I don't know if this seminar is still > offered; but, it was excellent! The companion textbook is: > > Bill Gladstone, "North U. TRIM, The World's Most Comprehensive Resource On > Boatspeed and Boathandling", 2007, North U., Madison, CT, ISBN: > 0-9724361-1-1 > > The companion North U. TRIM seminar video disk is: ISBN: 978-0-9770952-6-1 > > If you would like a laminated guide (cheatsheet) on sail trim & rig tuning, > try: > > Bill Gladstone, "Captain's Quick Guides: Sail Trim and Rig Tuning", > International Marine Div. of McGraw-Hill, > www.internationalmarine.com , ISBN: > 0-07-144013-5 > > My personal favorite from North Sails is, "The Shape of Speed". My copy is > old and it's on VHS tape (Yes I'm that old!): > > "The Shape of Speed, R329", Produced For North Sails By Bennett Marine > Video, Marina Del Ray, CA, (213) 821-3329, > ISBN: 97278-0329-3 > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 6:04 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake > Manawa > > Roger, thanks for the sail trim tips and the traveler instruction in > particular. My to do list for this fall includes adding tell tales to the > leech of the main which should help with sail trim. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 2:56 PM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Jessie, > > > > As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the > > other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous. > > > > A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like > > pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and > the > > leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to > get > > the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to > leeward > > and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa's leech can be > > cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you > > may have it too tight. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Chris Geankoplis > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from > > Lake Manawa > > > > Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while > sailing > > > my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some > > photos > > > of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not > > qualify > > > as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for > > > sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is > now > > > hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) > It's > > > always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - > there > > > was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the > > seminar > > > involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the > crowd > > > favorite! > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_D.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 379148 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at > tachment.jpg > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_B.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 579329 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at > tachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_A.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 587340 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at > tachment-0002.jpg > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Zephyr20200905_C.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 415946 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200910/be5b9cd5/at > tachment-0003.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 19:05:12 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:05:12 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan Message-ID: My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled due to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this crazy year of 2020. We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of Traverse City, Michigan later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the middle of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of the time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would like to make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking and other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to go with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. Tentative plan: Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse City Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have any recommendations? Thanks, Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Sep 13 19:08:08 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:08:08 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Tom, I think I would leave on the rudder for short trips if I had to launch every time as well. I hope you find a slip for next season since it makes all the difference in being able to get out more often and on short notice. Your photo makes the captain's chair look quite comfy! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 2:35 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Jesse, I have for the first season, left the rudder on for local ( under 10 > miles round) trips. It isn't something I wanted to wrestle with in the > cabin up to twice a week. I thought of maybe fabbing up a shelf up front > on the trailer... But as I usually have ' original' ideas, in this case I > would think that would have been put in already if it worked.... > > I am lucky to be able to get out on some Wednesdays and all weekends this > fall. So spending literally 15 minutes mounting and storing the rudder > each dunk isn't attractive. > If I had a truck bed I would reconsider, but tucking it up in the vberth > and risking damage from the wisconsin roads, or myself...eek. > > We will put her in a milwaukee slip for lake michigan asap. Anyone know > of a slip around milwaukee? Would be super cool to park next to another > Rhodie. > > Cheers, > Tvh > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 12:40 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Tom, sorry to hear about the bunk issue. Regarding the retrieval > process, > > I just winch tight while it's still floating and that has worked for me. > > I've only retrieved on two ramps, one is very gradual and another with > > medium steepness. It worked well in both cases. > > > > I noticed the rudder is on in your photo. Do you leave that on for > > trailering? I've always removed the rudder and stowed it in the v-berth > > for towing. It's not exactly easy to get it back there but it adds to > > tongue weight and isn't putting pressure on the stern. I also help > secure > > my motor by attaching extra straps that go over the stern rail and to the > > aft cleats. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 11:31 AM Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and > launching > > > our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge > > weight, > > > the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke > on > > > the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. > Single > > > axle. > > > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't > > see a > > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem > crotch > > > full retracted worked perfect. > > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a > > tractor > > > pull... > > > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > > Tom > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_1186.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 215182 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/dc639956/attachment.jpg > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sun Sep 13 19:20:38 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 18:20:38 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: She is soo clean it almost makes us sick. Lol. But we get sick if she's dirty... So it's a paradox certainly. Really slays inland lakes. Just make sure they aren't small lakes... Lake Michigan seems like home for the design. But I have only had our boat for 2 months. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:08 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Hi Tom, I think I would leave on the rudder for short trips if I had to > launch every time as well. I hope you find a slip for next season since it > makes all the difference in being able to get out more often and on short > notice. Your photo makes the captain's chair look quite comfy! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 2:35 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > Jesse, I have for the first season, left the rudder on for local ( under > 10 > > miles round) trips. It isn't something I wanted to wrestle with in the > > cabin up to twice a week. I thought of maybe fabbing up a shelf up front > > on the trailer... But as I usually have ' original' ideas, in this > case I > > would think that would have been put in already if it worked.... > > > > I am lucky to be able to get out on some Wednesdays and all weekends this > > fall. So spending literally 15 minutes mounting and storing the rudder > > each dunk isn't attractive. > > If I had a truck bed I would reconsider, but tucking it up in the vberth > > and risking damage from the wisconsin roads, or myself...eek. > > > > We will put her in a milwaukee slip for lake michigan asap. Anyone > know > > of a slip around milwaukee? Would be super cool to park next to another > > Rhodie. > > > > Cheers, > > Tvh > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 12:40 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Tom, sorry to hear about the bunk issue. Regarding the retrieval > > process, > > > I just winch tight while it's still floating and that has worked for > me. > > > I've only retrieved on two ramps, one is very gradual and another with > > > medium steepness. It worked well in both cases. > > > > > > I noticed the rudder is on in your photo. Do you leave that on for > > > trailering? I've always removed the rudder and stowed it in the > v-berth > > > for towing. It's not exactly easy to get it back there but it adds to > > > tongue weight and isn't putting pressure on the stern. I also help > > secure > > > my motor by attaching extra straps that go over the stern rail and to > the > > > aft cleats. > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 11:31 AM Tom Van Heule < > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and > > launching > > > > our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge > > > weight, > > > > the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke > > on > > > > the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. > > Single > > > > axle. > > > > > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > > > > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't > > > see a > > > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem > > crotch > > > > full retracted worked perfect. > > > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a > > > tractor > > > > pull... > > > > > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > > > Tom > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/attachment-0001.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_1186.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 215182 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/dc639956/attachment.jpg > > > > > > From snstaum at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 08:55:01 2020 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:55:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: The shaft length question is very personal but here goes: '97 Johnson Sailmaster - 9.9 hp 2 stroke 25" shaft Mount: aftermarket parallelogram type (origin unknown as it came with the boat) *Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *'83 Rhodes 22* *Needham, MA* On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott wrote: > Dear Rhodes > How long is your shaft? > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > 1. HP > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > 3. Motor mount type > Ex. GB original/ manual > GB original electric > GB converted E to M or M to E > 3rd party parallelogram type > Custom. > Currently I have > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > 2. 25? > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > associated photos with replies. > I?ll report findings to da list. > Ric > Sv Dadventure > Hampton Bays NY > Sent from my iPhone From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Mon Sep 14 10:15:14 2020 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 14:15:14 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <2030088480.1903186.1600092914690@mail.yahoo.com> 8HP Honda Extra long shaft elect start, generator on GB electric lift, tilting mount I think an long shaft would be better it doesn't drag in water but its close when healed over hard?? -----Original Message----- From: Ric Stott To: Email List The Sent: Fri, Sep 11, 2020 8:46 am Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear Rhodes How long is your shaft? Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: 1. HP 2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25? 3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual ? ? ? ? GB original electric ? ? ? ? GB converted E to M or M to E ? ? ? ? 3rd party parallelogram type ? ? ? ? Custom. Currently I have 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25? 3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. Ric Sv Dadventure Hampton Bays NY Sent from my iPhone From gramille at tds.net Mon Sep 14 11:06:44 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 08:06:44 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: <1600096004918-0.post@n5.nabble.com> 9.9hp Yamaha 4 stroke with electric start 20" GB mount with electric winch raising system. 2010 model year. Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Sep 14 11:42:14 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:42:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: <1600096004918-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1600096004918-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <560439F9-2D82-4009-A2B1-867A2B8E8E4A@stottarchitecture.com> Hi Graham Does your electric lift also tilt your motor at he end of its upper cycle? Ric Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 14, 2020, at 11:06 AM, gramille wrote: > > ?9.9hp Yamaha 4 stroke with electric start > 20" > GB mount with electric winch raising system. > 2010 model year. > > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Sep 14 11:43:22 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 15:43:22 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Tom, First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort of. Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the same angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded mine made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the boards. I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel would fit. Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this wisdom. Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and winched in , PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works for me. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single axle. Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem crotch full retracted worked perfect. Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a tractor pull... Hope everyone had a great weekend. Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3275134 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4169607 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 12:46:13 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:46:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Correction and a couple more details regarding my motor. Upon further inspection this weekend, it appears to have a 25" rather than 20" shaft (it was a bit hard to get the right angle to measure exactly) . It has an electric start and alternator. One of the comments mentioned locking the motor: I use a padlock that goes through the two "ears" attached to the bolts that secure the motor on the mount. After a costly experience losing a dinghy motor to the depths of Lake Superior on a charter, upon returning home I added a safety cable on my R22 that runs through the handle on the front of the motor and through the U bolt on the port side of the transom. Ric's thread on his motor mount misadventure also provided extra inspiration for adding the safety cable. Just a couple of weeks ago another sailor in our club almost lost his outboard for his Hunter 23.5 when his wooden motor mount broke in two. He made a new, sturdier motor mount and a safety cable as well. Until this summer I didn't realize that outboards have a tendency to abdicate their duty and abandon ship! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:58 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric. > > Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch. Details including photos > are at > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > Top view photo of the motor lowered and running: > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg > > I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's > on the trailer, docked, and while sailing. > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott > wrote: > >> Dear Rhodes >> How long is your shaft? >> Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. >> I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: >> 1. HP >> 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? >> 3. Motor mount type >> Ex. GB original/ manual >> GB original electric >> GB converted E to M or M to E >> 3rd party parallelogram type >> Custom. >> Currently I have >> 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc >> 2. 25? >> 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with >> Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. >> >> I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any >> associated photos with replies. >> I?ll report findings to da list. >> Ric >> Sv Dadventure >> Hampton Bays NY >> Sent from my iPhone > > From retiredtoby at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 13:47:53 2020 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 13:47:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey In-Reply-To: References: <70B6780E-F883-4B15-9641-C539AF3E2030@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Ric, if you get a chance , could you give me the measurementS on the lower STOPS.. of the motot mounts since we share the same configuration. Photos would also be helpful. Thanks Cary , On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 12:46 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Correction and a couple more details regarding my motor. Upon > further inspection this weekend, it appears to have a 25" rather than 20" > shaft (it was a bit hard to get the right angle to measure exactly) . It > has an electric start and alternator. > > One of the comments mentioned locking the motor: I use a padlock that goes > through the two "ears" attached to the bolts that secure the motor on the > mount. After a costly experience losing a dinghy motor to the depths of > Lake Superior on a charter, upon returning home I added a safety cable on > my R22 that runs through the handle on the front of the motor and through > the U bolt on the port side of the transom. Ric's thread on his motor > mount misadventure also provided extra inspiration for adding the > safety cable. Just a couple of weeks ago another sailor in our club almost > lost his outboard for his Hunter 23.5 when his wooden motor mount broke in > two. He made a new, sturdier motor mount and a safety cable as well. > Until this summer I didn't realize that outboards have a tendency to > abdicate their duty and abandon ship! > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:58 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric. > > > > Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch. Details including > photos > > are at > > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176 > > > > Top view photo of the motor lowered and running: > > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg > > > > I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when > it's > > on the trailer, docked, and while sailing. > > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott > > wrote: > > > >> Dear Rhodes > >> How long is your shaft? > >> Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal. > >> I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard: > >> 1. HP > >> 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25? > >> 3. Motor mount type > >> Ex. GB original/ manual > >> GB original electric > >> GB converted E to M or M to E > >> 3rd party parallelogram type > >> Custom. > >> Currently I have > >> 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc > >> 2. 25? > >> 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type > with > >> Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned. > >> > >> I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any > >> associated photos with replies. > >> I?ll report findings to da list. > >> Ric > >> Sv Dadventure > >> Hampton Bays NY > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Sep 14 21:45:04 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 21:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014001d68b01$d6b48030$841d8090$@ca> I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the bow eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a result I can't pull the boat in all the way. After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the strain on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of the winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I also weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it should be heavier that 140 lbs. Any suggestions would be welcome. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Tom, First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort of. Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the same angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded mine made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the boards. I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel would fit. Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this wisdom. Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and winched in , PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works for me. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single axle. Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem crotch full retracted worked perfect. Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a tractor pull... Hope everyone had a great weekend. Tom -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3275134 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4169607 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Mon, Sep 14, 2020, 8:45 PM Graham Stewart wrote: > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently > forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the bow > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a result I > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up > putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the strain > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of the > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I also > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it should > be heavier that 140 lbs. > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Lowe, Rob > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > Tom, > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort of. > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the same > angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded mine > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the > boards. I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the > keel would fit. > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this > wisdom. Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will > help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and > winched in , PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It > sure works for me. > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom > Van Heule > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching > our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, > the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on > the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single > axle. > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see > a lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem crotch > full retracted worked perfect. > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a tractor > pull... > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > Tom > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3275134 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4169607 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/attachment-0001.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 208192 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9374/attachment.jpg > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 285648 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9374/attachment-0001.jpg > > > From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Sep 14 22:29:50 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 22:29:50 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: <014001d68b01$d6b48030$841d8090$@ca> References: <014001d68b01$d6b48030$841d8090$@ca> Message-ID: <015301d68b08$18225230$4866f690$@ca> Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it seems that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the bow eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a result I can't pull the boat in all the way. After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the strain on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of the winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I also weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it should be heavier that 140 lbs. Any suggestions would be welcome. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Tom, First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort of. Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the same angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded mine made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the boards. I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel would fit. Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this wisdom. Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and winched in , PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works for me. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single axle. Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. 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Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 285648 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Sep 15 08:53:41 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 12:53:41 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: <015301d68b08$18225230$4866f690$@ca> References: <014001d68b01$d6b48030$841d8090$@ca>,<015301d68b08$18225230$4866f690$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, Given everything you?ve tried that didn?t work, I am left with suggesting your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn?t need to be much, probably only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk supports from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? If the bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; then, you will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to move the bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you should have => 10% of the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your trailer is way short of that. My wife won?t let me have the excitement of having the boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, like removing the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow with a full water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to the V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA factor to rigging and unrigging. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it seems that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the bow eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a result I can't pull the boat in all the way. After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the strain on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of the winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I also weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it should be heavier that 140 lbs. Any suggestions would be welcome. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Tom, First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort of. Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the same angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded mine made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the boards. I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel would fit. Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this wisdom. Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and winched in , PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works for me. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single axle. Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. 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Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 285648 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Tue Sep 15 09:41:31 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 09:41:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: <014001d68b01$d6b48030$841d8090$@ca> <015301d68b08$18225230$4866f690$@ca> Message-ID: <000601d68b65$ee04d460$ca0e7d20$@ca> Roger: I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again to see what the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, motor and trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be at least 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and others if they post it to da list. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Graham, Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with suggesting your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, probably only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk supports from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? If the bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; then, you will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to move the bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you should have => 10% of the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your trailer is way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of having the boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, like removing the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow with a full water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to the V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA factor to rigging and unrigging. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it seems that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the bow eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a result I can't pull the boat in all the way. After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the strain on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of the winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I also weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it should be heavier that 140 lbs. Any suggestions would be welcome. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Tom, First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort of. Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the same angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded mine made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the boards. I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel would fit. Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this wisdom. Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and winched in , PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works for me. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single axle. Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. 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Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 285648 bytes Desc: not available URL: From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Sep 15 09:48:27 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:48:27 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: <000601d68b65$ee04d460$ca0e7d20$@ca> References: <014001d68b01$d6b48030$841d8090$@ca> <015301d68b08$18225230$4866f690$@ca> , <000601d68b65$ee04d460$ca0e7d20$@ca> Message-ID: Graham, I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital bathroom scale under the tongue jack. Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on the tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on tongue weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this one change would get you pretty close to where you should be. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Roger: I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again to see what the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, motor and trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be at least 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and others if they post it to da list. Graham Stewart gstewart8 at cogeco.ca -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Graham, Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with suggesting your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, probably only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk supports from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? If the bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; then, you will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to move the bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you should have => 10% of the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your trailer is way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of having the boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, like removing the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow with a full water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to the V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA factor to rigging and unrigging. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it seems that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Graham Stewart Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the bow eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a result I can't pull the boat in all the way. After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the strain on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of the winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I also weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it should be heavier that 140 lbs. Any suggestions would be welcome. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Tom, First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort of. Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the same angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded mine made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the boards. I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel would fit. Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this wisdom. Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and winched in , PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works for me. Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching our boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, the aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single axle. Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. 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Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 285648 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tvpolise at aol.com Tue Sep 15 15:16:53 2020 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:16:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Would you mind sharing the name of charter company? > On Sep 13, 2020, at 7:05 PM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > ?My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled due > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this crazy > year of 2020. > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of Traverse > City, Michigan > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the middle > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of the > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would like to > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking and > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to go > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > Tentative plan: > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse > City > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have any > recommendations? > > Thanks, > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr From sea20 at verizon.net Tue Sep 15 15:20:57 2020 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:20:57 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan?s next month and bring home a winter project. I haven?t done any highway towing for a long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. Thanks all. Scott A. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > ?Graham, > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital bathroom scale under the tongue jack. > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on the tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on tongue weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this one change would get you pretty close to where you should be. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > Roger: > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again to see what > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, motor and > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be at least > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and others if > they post it to da list. > > Graham Stewart > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > ROGER PIHLAJA > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > Graham, > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with suggesting > your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, probably > only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk supports > from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? If the > bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; then, you > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to move the > bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you should have => 10% of > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your trailer is > way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of having the > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, like removing > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow with a full > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to the > V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA factor to rigging > and unrigging. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for Windows > 10 > > From: Graham Stewart > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it seems > that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Graham Stewart > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently > forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the bow > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a result I > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up > putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the strain > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of the > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I also > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it should be > heavier that 140 lbs. > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of > Lowe, Rob > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > Tom, > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort of. > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the same > angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded mine > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the boards. > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel would > fit. > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this wisdom. > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will help > guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and winched in , > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works for > me. > > Rob > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom > Van Heule > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching our > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, the > aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the > back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single axle. > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem crotch > full retracted worked perfect. > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a tractor > pull... > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > Tom > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3275134 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > ttachment.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4169607 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > ttachment-0001.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 208192 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > ttachment.jpg> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 285648 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > ttachment-0001.jpg> > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Sep 15 15:40:48 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 14:40:48 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What are you chartering? I spent 20+ years in west michigan. Beautiful. On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled due > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this crazy > year of 2020. > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of Traverse > City, Michigan > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the middle > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of the > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would like to > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking and > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to go > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > Tentative plan: > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse > City > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have any > recommendations? > > Thanks, > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Sep 15 15:48:41 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 14:48:41 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> References: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> Message-ID: I agree this has been valuable. Thank you everyone. I wonder about the track geometry. My trailer has a wider track than the grand cherokee. After about 55 I get some wagging. But from the 10% tongue weight math I am still missing 150#. Probably exposing my great depth of knowledge... I will look at quick release tiller so the rudder+ can travel ahead of the axle at least... I'm not too exited , although it's cool and functional, of the idea of remounting the outboard as the connections stand. Aside, Does anyone have resources or tips on welding repairs for the galvanized trailer? I understand to grind away all zinc and use a cold galvanized paint. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 2:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan?s next month > and bring home a winter project. I haven?t done any highway towing for a > long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. Thanks all. > Scott A. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > > ?Graham, > > > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital bathroom > scale under the tongue jack. > > > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on the > tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on tongue > weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this one change > would get you pretty close to where you should be. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Roger: > > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again to see > what > > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, motor > and > > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be at > least > > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. > > > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and others > if > > they post it to da list. > > > > Graham Stewart > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Graham, > > > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with suggesting > > your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, > probably > > only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk supports > > from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? If the > > bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; then, > you > > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to move the > > bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you should have => 10% > of > > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your trailer > is > > way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of having > the > > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! > > > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, like > removing > > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow with a > full > > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to the > > V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA factor to > rigging > > and unrigging. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > 10 > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it seems > > that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > Graham Stewart > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently > > forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the > bow > > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a > result I > > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up > > putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the > strain > > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of > the > > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I > also > > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it > should be > > heavier that 140 lbs. > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > Lowe, Rob > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Tom, > > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort of. > > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the same > > angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded > mine > > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the > boards. > > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel > would > > fit. > > > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this > wisdom. > > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will help > > guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and winched > in , > > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works > for > > me. > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Tom > > Van Heule > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching > our > > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, > the > > aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the > > back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single > axle. > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't > see a > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem crotch > > full retracted worked perfect. > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a > tractor > > pull... > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > Tom > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/a > > ttachment.jpg> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/a > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 208192 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9374/a > > ttachment.jpg> > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 285648 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9374/a > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200915_144534.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4454272 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Sep 15 15:59:01 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 19:59:01 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> Message-ID: Tom, I tow with a Grand Cherokee and did experience trailer sway at about 55-60mph. It's maddening and frightening. I found that if I inflated the trailer tires to the correct air pressure (60psi) the trailer sway went away and I can now tow at 65mph. - Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 3:49 PM To: Scott Andrews ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer I agree this has been valuable. Thank you everyone. I wonder about the track geometry. My trailer has a wider track than the grand cherokee. After about 55 I get some wagging. But from the 10% tongue weight math I am still missing 150#. Probably exposing my great depth of knowledge... I will look at quick release tiller so the rudder+ can travel ahead of the axle at least... I'm not too exited , although it's cool and functional, of the idea of remounting the outboard as the connections stand. Aside, Does anyone have resources or tips on welding repairs for the galvanized trailer? I understand to grind away all zinc and use a cold galvanized paint. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 2:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan?s next > month and bring home a winter project. I haven?t done any highway > towing for a long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. Thanks all. > Scott A. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > > ?Graham, > > > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital bathroom > scale under the tongue jack. > > > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on the > tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on > tongue weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this > one change would get you pretty close to where you should be. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Roger: > > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again to > > see > what > > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, > > motor > and > > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be at > least > > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. > > > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and > > others > if > > they post it to da list. > > > > Graham Stewart > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Graham, > > > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with > > suggesting your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to > > be much, > probably > > only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk > > supports from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front > > side? If the bunk supports are already on the front side of the > > crossmembers; then, > you > > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to move > > the bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you should > > have => 10% > of > > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your > > trailer > is > > way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of > > having > the > > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! > > > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, like > removing > > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow > > with a > full > > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to > > the V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA > > factor to > rigging > > and unrigging. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows > > 10 > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it > > seems that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > Graham Stewart > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat > > sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the > > launch ramp the > bow > > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a > result I > > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves > > up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve > > the > strain > > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture > > of > the > > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. > > I > also > > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it > should be > > heavier that 140 lbs. > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > > > Graham Stewart > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > Behalf Of > > Lowe, Rob > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Tom, > > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort of. > > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the > > same angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who > > welded > mine > > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the > boards. > > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the > > keel > would > > fit. > > > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this > wisdom. > > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will > > help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and > > winched > in , > > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure > > works > for > > me. > > > > Rob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf > > Of > Tom > > Van Heule > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and > > launching > our > > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge > > weight, > the > > aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on > > the back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. > > Single > axle. > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I > > don't > see a > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem > > crotch full retracted worked perfect. > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a > tractor > > pull... > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > Tom > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > f47/a > > ttachment.jpg> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > f47/a > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 208192 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > 374/a > > ttachment.jpg> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 285648 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > 374/a > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_20200915_144534.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4454272 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 16:00:04 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:00:04 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> Message-ID: Tom, do you find that the Grand Cherokee to be up to the job of towing? What kind of engine / trim level do you have? Eventually I may get a used tow vehicle and the Grand Cherokee was on the list of candidates. We live in a condo and have limited parking space in a garage so a Grand Cherokee would probably fit better than a truck. Thanks, Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:49 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > I agree this has been valuable. Thank you everyone. > > I wonder about the track geometry. My trailer has a wider track than the > grand cherokee. After about 55 I get some wagging. But from the 10% > tongue weight math I am still missing 150#. Probably exposing my great > depth of knowledge... I will look at quick release tiller so the rudder+ > can travel ahead of the axle at least... I'm not too exited , although it's > cool and functional, of the idea of remounting the outboard as the > connections stand. > > Aside, Does anyone have resources or tips on welding repairs for the > galvanized trailer? I understand to grind away all zinc and use a cold > galvanized paint. > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 2:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan?s next > month > > and bring home a winter project. I haven?t done any highway towing for a > > long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. Thanks all. > > Scott A. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital bathroom > > scale under the tongue jack. > > > > > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on the > > tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on > tongue > > weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this one > change > > would get you pretty close to where you should be. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Roger: > > > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again to see > > what > > > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, motor > > and > > > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be at > > least > > > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. > > > > > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and > others > > if > > > they post it to da list. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of > > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with > suggesting > > > your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, > > probably > > > only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk > supports > > > from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? If > the > > > bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; then, > > you > > > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to move the > > > bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you should have => > 10% > > of > > > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your > trailer > > is > > > way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of having > > the > > > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! > > > > > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, like > > removing > > > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow with a > > full > > > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to the > > > V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA factor to > > rigging > > > and unrigging. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows > > > 10 > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it > seems > > > that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of > > > Graham Stewart > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently > > > forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the > > bow > > > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a > > result I > > > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > > > > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up > > > putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the > > strain > > > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of > > the > > > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I > > also > > > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it > > should be > > > heavier that 140 lbs. > > > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of > > > Lowe, Rob > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Tom, > > > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort > of. > > > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > > > > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at the > same > > > angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded > > mine > > > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the > > boards. > > > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel > > would > > > fit. > > > > > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this > > wisdom. > > > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will help > > > guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered and winched > > in , > > > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works > > for > > > me. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Tom > > > Van Heule > > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and > launching > > our > > > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, > > the > > > aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on > the > > > back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single > > axle. > > > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't > > see a > > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem > crotch > > > full retracted worked perfect. > > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a > > tractor > > > pull... > > > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > > Tom > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/a > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4f47/a > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 208192 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9374/a > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 285648 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9374/a > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200915_144534.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4454272 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200915/7e7b919c/attachment.jpg > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 16:15:44 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:15:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great Lakes Sailing Company out of Traverse City, Michigan. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:17 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Would you mind sharing the name of charter company? > > > On Sep 13, 2020, at 7:05 PM, Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > ?My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > due > > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > crazy > > year of 2020. > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > Traverse > > City, Michigan > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > middle > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of > the > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would like > to > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking and > > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to > go > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > Tentative plan: > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse > > City > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have any > > recommendations? > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Sep 15 16:20:20 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 20:20:20 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> Message-ID: Jesse, I've got a 1999 Grand Cherokee with a V-8 and factory installed tow package rated at 5,000 pounds. It's adequate. - Rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:00 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer Tom, do you find that the Grand Cherokee to be up to the job of towing? What kind of engine / trim level do you have? Eventually I may get a used tow vehicle and the Grand Cherokee was on the list of candidates. We live in a condo and have limited parking space in a garage so a Grand Cherokee would probably fit better than a truck. Thanks, Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:49 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > I agree this has been valuable. Thank you everyone. > > I wonder about the track geometry. My trailer has a wider track than the > grand cherokee. After about 55 I get some wagging. But from the 10% > tongue weight math I am still missing 150#. Probably exposing my great > depth of knowledge... I will look at quick release tiller so the > rudder+ can travel ahead of the axle at least... I'm not too exited , > although it's cool and functional, of the idea of remounting the > outboard as the connections stand. > > Aside, Does anyone have resources or tips on welding repairs for the > galvanized trailer? I understand to grind away all zinc and use a cold > galvanized paint. > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 2:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan?s next > month > > and bring home a winter project. I haven?t done any highway towing > > for a long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. Thanks all. > > Scott A. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > wrote: > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital > > > bathroom > > scale under the tongue jack. > > > > > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on > > > the > > tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on > tongue > > weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this one > change > > would get you pretty close to where you should be. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Roger: > > > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again > > > to see > > what > > > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, > > > motor > > and > > > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be > > > at > > least > > > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. > > > > > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and > others > > if > > > they post it to da list. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of > > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with > suggesting > > > your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, > > probably > > > only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk > supports > > > from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? > > > If > the > > > bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; > > > then, > > you > > > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to > > > move the bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you > > > should have => > 10% > > of > > > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your > trailer > > is > > > way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of > > > having > > the > > > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! > > > > > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, > > > like > > removing > > > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow > > > with a > > full > > > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to > > > the V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA > > > factor to > > rigging > > > and unrigging. > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows > > > 10 > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it > seems > > > that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of > > > Graham Stewart > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat > > > sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at > > > the launch ramp the > > bow > > > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a > > result I > > > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > > > > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow > > > moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I > > > relieve the > > strain > > > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a > > > picture of > > the > > > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it > > > here. I > > also > > > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it > > should be > > > heavier that 140 lbs. > > > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > Behalf Of > > > Lowe, Rob > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Tom, > > > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort > of. > > > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > > > > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at > > > the > same > > > angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who > > > welded > > mine > > > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between > > > the > > boards. > > > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the > > > keel > > would > > > fit. > > > > > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared > > > this > > wisdom. > > > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will > > > help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered > > > and winched > > in , > > > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure > > > works > > for > > > me. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf > > > Of > > Tom > > > Van Heule > > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and > launching > > our > > > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge > > > weight, > > the > > > aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke > > > on > the > > > back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. > > > Single > > axle. > > > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I > > > don't > > see a > > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem > crotch > > > full retracted worked perfect. > > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a > > tractor > > > pull... > > > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > > Tom > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > f47/a > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > f47/a > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 208192 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > 374/a > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 285648 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: > > > < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > 374/a > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20200915_144534.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 4454272 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200915/7e7b9 > 19c/attachment.jpg > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 16:23:01 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:23:01 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeanneau 379. Definitely bigger than what we need, and a couple of steps up from the Jeanneau 33 that we chartered in Apostle Islands, but that is what is available on short notice. We'll have some family on board, one of which is a sailor out of Traverse City so that will be helpful. I'm curious to try the IMF on a larger boat. Our itinerary will depend on weather conditions. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:41 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > What are you chartering? > > I spent 20+ years in west michigan. Beautiful. > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > due > > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > crazy > > year of 2020. > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > Traverse > > City, Michigan > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > middle > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of > the > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would like > to > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking and > > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to > go > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > Tentative plan: > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse > > City > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have any > > recommendations? > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 16:23:32 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 15:23:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> Message-ID: Rob, thanks for the info. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:20 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Jesse, > I've got a 1999 Grand Cherokee with a V-8 and factory installed tow > package rated at 5,000 pounds. It's adequate. - Rob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:00 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > Tom, do you find that the Grand Cherokee to be up to the job of towing? > What kind of engine / trim level do you have? Eventually I may get a used > tow vehicle and the Grand Cherokee was on the list of candidates. We live > in a condo and have limited parking space in a garage so a Grand Cherokee > would probably fit better than a truck. > > Thanks, > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:49 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > I agree this has been valuable. Thank you everyone. > > > > I wonder about the track geometry. My trailer has a wider track than > the > > grand cherokee. After about 55 I get some wagging. But from the 10% > > tongue weight math I am still missing 150#. Probably exposing my great > > depth of knowledge... I will look at quick release tiller so the > > rudder+ can travel ahead of the axle at least... I'm not too exited , > > although it's cool and functional, of the idea of remounting the > > outboard as the connections stand. > > > > Aside, Does anyone have resources or tips on welding repairs for the > > galvanized trailer? I understand to grind away all zinc and use a cold > > galvanized paint. > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 2:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan?s next > > month > > > and bring home a winter project. I haven?t done any highway towing > > > for a long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. > Thanks all. > > > Scott A. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital > > > > bathroom > > > scale under the tongue jack. > > > > > > > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on > > > > the > > > tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on > > tongue > > > weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this one > > change > > > would get you pretty close to where you should be. > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > Roger: > > > > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again > > > > to see > > > what > > > > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, > > > > motor > > > and > > > > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be > > > > at > > > least > > > > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. > > > > > > > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and > > others > > > if > > > > they post it to da list. > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with > > suggesting > > > > your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, > > > probably > > > > only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk > > supports > > > > from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? > > > > If > > the > > > > bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; > > > > then, > > > you > > > > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to > > > > move the bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you > > > > should have => > > 10% > > > of > > > > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your > > trailer > > > is > > > > way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of > > > > having > > > the > > > > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! > > > > > > > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, > > > > like > > > removing > > > > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow > > > > with a > > > full > > > > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to > > > > the V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA > > > > factor to > > > rigging > > > > and unrigging. > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > Windows > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it > > seems > > > > that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought. > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat > > > > sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at > > > > the launch ramp the > > > bow > > > > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a > > > result I > > > > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > > > > > > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow > > > > moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I > > > > relieve the > > > strain > > > > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a > > > > picture of > > > the > > > > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it > > > > here. I > > > also > > > > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it > > > should be > > > > heavier that 140 lbs. > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > Behalf Of > > > > Lowe, Rob > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing sort > > of. > > > > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > > > > > > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at > > > > the > > same > > > > angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who > > > > welded > > > mine > > > > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between > > > > the > > > boards. > > > > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the > > > > keel > > > would > > > > fit. > > > > > > > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared > > > > this > > > wisdom. > > > > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will > > > > help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered > > > > and winched > > > in , > > > > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure > > > > works > > > for > > > > me. > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf > > > > Of > > > Tom > > > > Van Heule > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and > > launching > > > our > > > > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge > > > > weight, > > > the > > > > aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke > > > > on > > the > > > > back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. > > > > Single > > > axle. > > > > > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better. > > > > > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I > > > > don't > > > see a > > > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem > > crotch > > > > full retracted worked perfect. > > > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a > > > tractor > > > > pull... > > > > > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > > > Tom > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > scrubbed... > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: > > > > < > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > > f47/a > > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > scrubbed... > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: > > > > < > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > > f47/a > > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > scrubbed... > > > > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 208192 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: > > > > < > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > > 374/a > > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > scrubbed... > > > > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 285648 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: > > > > < > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > > 374/a > > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: IMG_20200915_144534.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 4454272 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200915/7e7b9 > > 19c/attachment.jpg > > > > > > From kensimolo at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 16:51:37 2020 From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 13:51:37 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The tongue weight on ours is lighter than I would like. We moved the winch forward a bit and that helped make it where we did not have negative tongue weight. Moving the bunks forward would make more sense. Fortunately, the boat and trailer ride extremely well. Ken From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 18:28:06 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:28:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] a different furling system, similar problems & solutions Message-ID: Rubin passed on to me and I thought I might post it. It is not about the R22 furling system, it is for the Island Packet. Still I found a number of problems and solutions useful for the Rhodes. So see if you can spot the differences and similarities. FURLING MASTS?..more lessons earned. Norm Pierce September 2020 The furling mainsail hardware used in a Charleston Spar has proven to be a very simple and robust system. It is the tackle needed to handle the sail, and the sailor, that are the weak parts. The end result: THE SAILOR BLAMES THE FURLER !!!!! Our experience has shown that it is the inability of the sailor to read, understand and follow the instructions on the use and care of the entire system that is major cause of any problems encountered. #1 Keeping the system clean: When you wash down the boat, wash the blocks, control lines, boom, track and hose out the car in top of the boom while rolling it back and forth. Wash the furlers, all three of them. Make sure the drain at the aft-bottom of the mast at the deck is working. Salt crystals are like little knives in the lines and blocks. Keeping them clean of salt and dirt will lengthen their life and ease the lines movement through the blocks and over the track stop at the outer end of the boom. #2 Every quality double braid rope manufacturer states that: ?Double Braid rope should always be coiled in a figure eight.? (the natural way it wants to coil when relatively new) Yet many refuse to do it, or make sure their crew does it. The end result of coiling it in a circle is a line with permanent twists of the inner core against the outer cover, which creates friction every time the twisted line goes through a block creating wear in both. Add to that the normal degradation of the sun, salt and dirt, and soon the lines outer cover begins to fray and bind as it makes its way through the blocks and over the boom track stop block at the outer end of the boom. #3 Boom height: Over time and sailing on the wind with a tight topping lift stretches it. Eventually the sailor notices it and over tightens it to the point where the angle of the outhaul to the clew in not ideal, and that increases the stresses on the furling tackle with the extra effort needed to use it, shortening its life. #4 Halyard tension; The furling mainsails luff sets in an extrusion very similar to the headsails. The difference is that the mainsails extrusion is round (not foil shaped), has no stay inside and is attached only at the top of the furler. The halyard is attached to the upper swivel and the sails luff tape is slid into a slot just like the headsails. When attaching the sail and when the sail is deployed the attaching points are about 1? aft of the extrusion. Over tensioning of the halyard will bow the extrusion in the middle and as the sail begins to fill the mast cavity it can create a difficulty in fully furling the sail. And, forcing it can make unfurling very difficult. Ideally, furled or deployed with no wind in the sail one should be able to move the tack strap with ones fingers a little with out a lot of effort. #5 Furling Properly: As one prepares to furl the mainsail, head the boat up leaving the wind slightly on the starboard side of the boat. Furling line on the winch, outhaul ready to ease out, and as one winches the sail into the mast hold some tension on the outhaul to get a smooth furling of the sail around the extrusion and into the mast. I can see any or all of the above way too often when I step on your boat ! And you can too ! Standing in the cockpit and sighting forward along the furler and outhaul control lines. I see the fleck of color or the pattern of the braid spirals between the stopper and the first block. Running my hands along the lines I feel that they are no longer smooth but rough and frayed. I release the outhaul and go up on deck to the coach roof, I pull out some slack and grab the outhaul at the clew block and at the exit under the forward end of the boom and try to pull them back and forth. It takes very little tension to make it very hard to move in either direction as the twisted, fraying of the lines cover resists making the 180-degree turn over the end of the boom. And you blamed the furler ???? (I did too, initially) J Replace those lines and start treating them with the respect they deserve and enjoy the furling main again. Sail bunching or overlapping ? 1: Failure to maintain resistance on outhaul while furling. 2: Halyard too tight or too loose. Make adjustments small. 3: Sail ?Baggy?, stretched out in the middle. Replace the sail. Chris Geankoplis Enosis I & II From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 18:43:39 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:43:39 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> Message-ID: I've towed my 2nd Rhodes from east coast to west coast then in and out of the Cascades several times a year, towed up to Canada several times from Oregon, and down to Mexico several times then back to the East coast. Definitely you need a minimum of 10% tongue weight. I towed with more as my boat was full of VIC ( very important crap). I always took the motor off and usually on all the long hauls, I mounted it up on the tongue upright and the rudder flat on the frame by the tongue. Never had a problem in all that time. I towed with a 6cyl F150 and Switched to an F250 6 litre diesel which was a dream. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:23 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Rob, thanks for the info. > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:20 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > Jesse, > > I've got a 1999 Grand Cherokee with a V-8 and factory installed tow > > package rated at 5,000 pounds. It's adequate. - Rob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Jesse Shumaker > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:00 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Tom, do you find that the Grand Cherokee to be up to the job of towing? > > What kind of engine / trim level do you have? Eventually I may get a > used > > tow vehicle and the Grand Cherokee was on the list of candidates. We > live > > in a condo and have limited parking space in a garage so a Grand Cherokee > > would probably fit better than a truck. > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:49 PM Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > I agree this has been valuable. Thank you everyone. > > > > > > I wonder about the track geometry. My trailer has a wider track than > > the > > > grand cherokee. After about 55 I get some wagging. But from the 10% > > > tongue weight math I am still missing 150#. Probably exposing my great > > > depth of knowledge... I will look at quick release tiller so the > > > rudder+ can travel ahead of the axle at least... I'm not too exited , > > > although it's cool and functional, of the idea of remounting the > > > outboard as the connections stand. > > > > > > Aside, Does anyone have resources or tips on welding repairs for the > > > galvanized trailer? I understand to grind away all zinc and use a cold > > > galvanized paint. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 2:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan?s next > > > month > > > > and bring home a winter project. I haven?t done any highway towing > > > > for a long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. > > Thanks all. > > > > Scott A. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > > > > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital > > > > > bathroom > > > > scale under the tongue jack. > > > > > > > > > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on > > > > > the > > > > tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on > > > tongue > > > > weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this one > > > change > > > > would get you pretty close to where you should be. > > > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > Roger: > > > > > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again > > > > > to see > > > > what > > > > > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, > > > > > motor > > > > and > > > > > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be > > > > > at > > > > least > > > > > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. > > > > > > > > > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and > > > others > > > > if > > > > > they post it to da list. > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > > > > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with > > > suggesting > > > > > your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, > > > > probably > > > > > only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk > > > supports > > > > > from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? > > > > > If > > > the > > > > > bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; > > > > > then, > > > > you > > > > > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to > > > > > move the bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you > > > > > should have => > > > 10% > > > > of > > > > > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your > > > trailer > > > > is > > > > > way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of > > > > > having > > > > the > > > > > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! > > > > > > > > > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, > > > > > like > > > > removing > > > > > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow > > > > > with a > > > > full > > > > > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to > > > > > the V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA > > > > > factor to > > > > rigging > > > > > and unrigging. > > > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > > Windows > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it > > > seems > > > > > that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I > thought. > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat > > > > > sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at > > > > > the launch ramp the > > > > bow > > > > > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a > > > > result I > > > > > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > > > > > > > > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow > > > > > moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I > > > > > relieve the > > > > strain > > > > > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a > > > > > picture of > > > > the > > > > > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it > > > > > here. I > > > > also > > > > > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it > > > > should be > > > > > heavier that 140 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > Lowe, Rob > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing > sort > > > of. > > > > > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > > > > > > > > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at > > > > > the > > > same > > > > > angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who > > > > > welded > > > > mine > > > > > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between > > > > > the > > > > boards. > > > > > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the > > > > > keel > > > > would > > > > > fit. > > > > > > > > > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared > > > > > this > > > > wisdom. > > > > > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will > > > > > help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered > > > > > and winched > > > > in , > > > > > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure > > > > > works > > > > for > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > Tom > > > > > Van Heule > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and > > > launching > > > > our > > > > > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge > > > > > weight, > > > > the > > > > > aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke > > > > > on > > > the > > > > > back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. > > > > > Single > > > > axle. > > > > > > > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > > > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly > better. > > > > > > > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > > > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > > > > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I > > > > > don't > > > > see a > > > > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > > > > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem > > > crotch > > > > > full retracted worked perfect. > > > > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a > > > > tractor > > > > > pull... > > > > > > > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > > > > Tom > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > URL: > > > > > < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > > > f47/a > > > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > URL: > > > > > < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > > > f47/a > > > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > Size: 208192 bytes > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > URL: > > > > > < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > > > 374/a > > > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > Size: 285648 bytes > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > URL: > > > > > < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > > > 374/a > > > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_20200915_144534.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 4454272 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200915/7e7b9 > > > 19c/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Sep 15 19:16:51 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:16:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am excited to hear your feedback on the IMf. It wasn't in boom? Crazy fun wishes your way!! On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 3:23 PM Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Jeanneau 379. Definitely bigger than what we need, and a couple of steps > up from the Jeanneau 33 that we chartered in Apostle Islands, but that is > what is available on short notice. We'll have some family on board, one of > which is a sailor out of Traverse City so that will be helpful. I'm > curious to try the IMF on a larger boat. Our itinerary will depend on > weather conditions. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:41 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > What are you chartering? > > > > I spent 20+ years in west michigan. Beautiful. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > > due > > > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > > crazy > > > year of 2020. > > > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > > Traverse > > > City, Michigan > > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > > middle > > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > > > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of > > the > > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > > > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > like > > to > > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking > and > > > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to > > go > > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > help. > > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > > > Tentative plan: > > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > Traverse > > > City > > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have > any > > > recommendations? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Tue Sep 15 19:23:13 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 18:23:13 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> Message-ID: I have a 2012 3.6L 4x4 overland. It moves the boat well, torque at the ramp is good. Towing... I might not say "it tows fine" because I can't do 70. When we bought her I used a 6.6 LML duramax GMC and had to slow down at 85, that was from Oregon to Wisconsin in July. Jeep weighs about the same as my boat and trailer. I'm shopping for a v8. I have had several older grand cherokee a. (95-2004) and they would tow better than this Mercedes. On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 5:43 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > I've towed my 2nd Rhodes from east coast to west coast then in and out of > the Cascades several times a year, towed up to Canada several times from > Oregon, and down to Mexico several times then back to the East coast. > Definitely you need a minimum of 10% tongue weight. I towed with more as > my boat was full of VIC ( very important crap). I always took the motor > off and usually on all the long hauls, I mounted it up on the tongue > upright and the rudder flat on the frame by the tongue. Never had a > problem in all that time. I towed with a 6cyl F150 and Switched to an F250 > 6 litre diesel which was a dream. > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:23 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Rob, thanks for the info. > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:20 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > > Jesse, > > > I've got a 1999 Grand Cherokee with a V-8 and factory installed tow > > > package rated at 5,000 pounds. It's adequate. - Rob > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:00 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Tom, do you find that the Grand Cherokee to be up to the job of towing? > > > What kind of engine / trim level do you have? Eventually I may get a > > used > > > tow vehicle and the Grand Cherokee was on the list of candidates. We > > live > > > in a condo and have limited parking space in a garage so a Grand > Cherokee > > > would probably fit better than a truck. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:49 PM Tom Van Heule < > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I agree this has been valuable. Thank you everyone. > > > > > > > > I wonder about the track geometry. My trailer has a wider track > than > > > the > > > > grand cherokee. After about 55 I get some wagging. But from the > 10% > > > > tongue weight math I am still missing 150#. Probably exposing my > great > > > > depth of knowledge... I will look at quick release tiller so the > > > > rudder+ can travel ahead of the axle at least... I'm not too exited , > > > > although it's cool and functional, of the idea of remounting the > > > > outboard as the connections stand. > > > > > > > > Aside, Does anyone have resources or tips on welding repairs for the > > > > galvanized trailer? I understand to grind away all zinc and use a > cold > > > > galvanized paint. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 2:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < > > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan?s > next > > > > month > > > > > and bring home a winter project. I haven?t done any highway towing > > > > > for a long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. > > > Thanks all. > > > > > Scott A. > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA < > roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital > > > > > > bathroom > > > > > scale under the tongue jack. > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on > > > > > > the > > > > > tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase > on > > > > tongue > > > > > weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this one > > > > change > > > > > would get you pretty close to where you should be. > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail > for > > > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM > > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger: > > > > > > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again > > > > > > to see > > > > > what > > > > > > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, > > > > > > motor > > > > > and > > > > > > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be > > > > > > at > > > > > least > > > > > > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and > > > > others > > > > > if > > > > > > they post it to da list. > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM > > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > > > > > > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with > > > > suggesting > > > > > > your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, > > > > > probably > > > > > > only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk > > > > supports > > > > > > from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? > > > > > > If > > > > the > > > > > > bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; > > > > > > then, > > > > > you > > > > > > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to > > > > > > move the bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you > > > > > > should have => > > > > 10% > > > > > of > > > > > > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your > > > > trailer > > > > > is > > > > > > way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of > > > > > > having > > > > > the > > > > > > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! > > > > > > > > > > > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, > > > > > > like > > > > > removing > > > > > > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow > > > > > > with a > > > > > full > > > > > > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to > > > > > > the V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA > > > > > > factor to > > > > > rigging > > > > > > and unrigging. > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail > for > > > > > Windows > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM > > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian > it > > > > seems > > > > > > that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I > > thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM > > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat > > > > > > sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at > > > > > > the launch ramp the > > > > > bow > > > > > > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As > a > > > > > result I > > > > > > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow > > > > > > moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I > > > > > > relieve the > > > > > strain > > > > > > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a > > > > > > picture of > > > > > the > > > > > > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it > > > > > > here. I > > > > > also > > > > > > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think > it > > > > > should be > > > > > > heavier that 140 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > Lowe, Rob > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing > > sort > > > > of. > > > > > > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at > > > > > > the > > > > same > > > > > > angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who > > > > > > welded > > > > > mine > > > > > > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between > > > > > > the > > > > > boards. > > > > > > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the > > > > > > keel > > > > > would > > > > > > fit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared > > > > > > this > > > > > wisdom. > > > > > > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard > will > > > > > > help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered > > > > > > and winched > > > > > in , > > > > > > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure > > > > > > works > > > > > for > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list On > Behalf > > > > > > Of > > > > > Tom > > > > > > Van Heule > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and > > > > launching > > > > > our > > > > > > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge > > > > > > weight, > > > > > the > > > > > > aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke > > > > > > on > > > > the > > > > > > back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. > > > > > > Single > > > > > axle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > > > > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > > > > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I > > > > > > don't > > > > > see a > > > > > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > > > > > > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem > > > > crotch > > > > > > full retracted worked perfect. > > > > > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not > a > > > > > tractor > > > > > > pull... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > > > > f47/a > > > > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > > > > f47/a > > > > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > > Size: 208192 bytes > > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > > > > 374/a > > > > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > > Size: 285648 bytes > > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > > > > 374/a > > > > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > scrubbed... > > > > Name: IMG_20200915_144534.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 4454272 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200915/7e7b9 > > > > 19c/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From talmorin at hotmail.com Wed Sep 16 09:34:20 2020 From: talmorin at hotmail.com (Thomas s) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:34:20 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> , Message-ID: Chris, How did you mount the motor on the tongue? Did you build some kind of a custom attachment? Thanks, Tom S/V Just Bent ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Chris Geankoplis Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:43 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer I've towed my 2nd Rhodes from east coast to west coast then in and out of the Cascades several times a year, towed up to Canada several times from Oregon, and down to Mexico several times then back to the East coast. Definitely you need a minimum of 10% tongue weight. I towed with more as my boat was full of VIC ( very important crap). I always took the motor off and usually on all the long hauls, I mounted it up on the tongue upright and the rudder flat on the frame by the tongue. Never had a problem in all that time. I towed with a 6cyl F150 and Switched to an F250 6 litre diesel which was a dream. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:23 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Rob, thanks for the info. > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:20 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > Jesse, > > I've got a 1999 Grand Cherokee with a V-8 and factory installed tow > > package rated at 5,000 pounds. It's adequate. - Rob > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > Jesse Shumaker > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:00 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > Tom, do you find that the Grand Cherokee to be up to the job of towing? > > What kind of engine / trim level do you have? Eventually I may get a > used > > tow vehicle and the Grand Cherokee was on the list of candidates. We > live > > in a condo and have limited parking space in a garage so a Grand Cherokee > > would probably fit better than a truck. > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:49 PM Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > I agree this has been valuable. Thank you everyone. > > > > > > I wonder about the track geometry. My trailer has a wider track than > > the > > > grand cherokee. After about 55 I get some wagging. But from the 10% > > > tongue weight math I am still missing 150#. Probably exposing my great > > > depth of knowledge... I will look at quick release tiller so the > > > rudder+ can travel ahead of the axle at least... I'm not too exited , > > > although it's cool and functional, of the idea of remounting the > > > outboard as the connections stand. > > > > > > Aside, Does anyone have resources or tips on welding repairs for the > > > galvanized trailer? I understand to grind away all zinc and use a cold > > > galvanized paint. > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 2:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > > I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan?s next > > > month > > > > and bring home a winter project. I haven?t done any highway towing > > > > for a long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. > > Thanks all. > > > > Scott A. > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > > > > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital > > > > > bathroom > > > > scale under the tongue jack. > > > > > > > > > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on > > > > > the > > > > tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on > > > tongue > > > > weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this one > > > change > > > > would get you pretty close to where you should be. > > > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > Roger: > > > > > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again > > > > > to see > > > > what > > > > > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, > > > > > motor > > > > and > > > > > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be > > > > > at > > > > least > > > > > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. > > > > > > > > > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and > > > others > > > > if > > > > > they post it to da list. > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > > > > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with > > > suggesting > > > > > your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, > > > > probably > > > > > only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk > > > supports > > > > > from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? > > > > > If > > > the > > > > > bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; > > > > > then, > > > > you > > > > > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to > > > > > move the bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you > > > > > should have => > > > 10% > > > > of > > > > > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your > > > trailer > > > > is > > > > > way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of > > > > > having > > > > the > > > > > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! > > > > > > > > > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, > > > > > like > > > > removing > > > > > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow > > > > > with a > > > > full > > > > > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to > > > > > the V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA > > > > > factor to > > > > rigging > > > > > and unrigging. > > > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail for > > > > Windows > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it > > > seems > > > > > that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I > thought. > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat > > > > > sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at > > > > > the launch ramp the > > > > bow > > > > > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a > > > > result I > > > > > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > > > > > > > > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow > > > > > moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I > > > > > relieve the > > > > strain > > > > > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a > > > > > picture of > > > > the > > > > > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it > > > > > here. I > > > > also > > > > > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it > > > > should be > > > > > heavier that 140 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > Lowe, Rob > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing > sort > > > of. > > > > > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > > > > > > > > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at > > > > > the > > > same > > > > > angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who > > > > > welded > > > > mine > > > > > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between > > > > > the > > > > boards. > > > > > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the > > > > > keel > > > > would > > > > > fit. > > > > > > > > > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared > > > > > this > > > > wisdom. > > > > > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard will > > > > > help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered > > > > > and winched > > > > in , > > > > > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure > > > > > works > > > > for > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf > > > > > Of > > > > Tom > > > > > Van Heule > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and > > > launching > > > > our > > > > > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge > > > > > weight, > > > > the > > > > > aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke > > > > > on > > > the > > > > > back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. > > > > > Single > > > > axle. > > > > > > > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > > > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly > better. > > > > > > > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > > > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > > > > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I > > > > > don't > > > > see a > > > > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > > > > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem > > > crotch > > > > > full retracted worked perfect. > > > > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a > > > > tractor > > > > > pull... > > > > > > > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > > > > Tom > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > URL: > > > > > < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > > > f47/a > > > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > URL: > > > > > < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > > > f47/a > > > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > Size: 208192 bytes > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > URL: > > > > > < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > > > 374/a > > > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > Size: 285648 bytes > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > URL: > > > > > < > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > > > 374/a > > > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > scrubbed... > > > Name: IMG_20200915_144534.jpg > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > Size: 4454272 bytes > > > Desc: not available > > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200915/7e7b9 > > > 19c/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Sep 16 09:55:42 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 13:55:42 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Facilities Available In The Apostle Islands? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Jessie, Before I propose the idea of a Sailing/Kayaking High Adventure Trip in the Apostle Islands next summer to my family, I would like to have some local knowledge about the archipelago. From your recent charter trip, do you have any insights regarding good anchorages, transient boat slips, restaurants, grocery stores, marinas, etc.; especially in the outer islands? Do you have a good navigation reference resource? Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:23 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan Jeanneau 379. Definitely bigger than what we need, and a couple of steps up from the Jeanneau 33 that we chartered in Apostle Islands, but that is what is available on short notice. We'll have some family on board, one of which is a sailor out of Traverse City so that will be helpful. I'm curious to try the IMF on a larger boat. Our itinerary will depend on weather conditions. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:41 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > What are you chartering? > > I spent 20+ years in west michigan. Beautiful. > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > due > > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > crazy > > year of 2020. > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > Traverse > > City, Michigan > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > middle > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of > the > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would like > to > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking and > > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to > go > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > Tentative plan: > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in Traverse > > City > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have any > > recommendations? > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > From gramille at tds.net Wed Sep 16 11:37:01 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 08:37:01 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling problem fixed with new outhaul car. Message-ID: <1600270621311-0.post@n5.nabble.com> My furling problems described in previous post seem to be remedied by the purchase of Stan's new design of outhaul car! Much better and stronger design than the previous version! I can now furl and unfurl in both bottom and top positions without the sail jamming. What joy! Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 12:56:22 2020 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 09:56:22 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling problem fixed with new outhaul car. In-Reply-To: <1600270621311-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1600270621311-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Please send picture of outhaul car. Thanks Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Wed, Sep 16, 2020, 8:37 AM gramille wrote: > My furling problems described in previous post seem to be remedied by the > purchase of Stan's new design of outhaul car! > Much better and stronger design than the previous version! > I can now furl and unfurl in both bottom and top positions without the > sail > jamming. What joy! > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 22:19:52 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 21:19:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Facilities Available In The Apostle Islands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Roger, I had good experiences on both trips to the Apostle Islands this summer and learned a lot. Your request gave me an excuse to do a brief writeup on the trips including an overview, general info, and some photos.. You can access that at the following link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/11de_-DynpiEc6D-zMGJbfU9BvzTBvDDK/view?usp=sharing I will definitely return to these sailing grounds. I would really like to make a trip to Grand Marais and Isle Royale. If there's any specific info you're looking for that I didn't cover in the attached document, please let me know and I'll try to help. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:55 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jessie, > > Before I propose the idea of a Sailing/Kayaking High Adventure Trip in the > Apostle Islands next summer to my family, I would like to have some local > knowledge about the archipelago. From your recent charter trip, do you > have any insights regarding good anchorages, transient boat slips, > restaurants, grocery stores, marinas, etc.; especially in the outer > islands? Do you have a good navigation reference resource? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:23 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan > > Jeanneau 379. Definitely bigger than what we need, and a couple of steps > up from the Jeanneau 33 that we chartered in Apostle Islands, but that is > what is available on short notice. We'll have some family on board, one of > which is a sailor out of Traverse City so that will be helpful. I'm > curious to try the IMF on a larger boat. Our itinerary will depend on > weather conditions. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:41 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > What are you chartering? > > > > I spent 20+ years in west michigan. Beautiful. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > > due > > > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > > crazy > > > year of 2020. > > > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > > Traverse > > > City, Michigan > > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > > middle > > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > > > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of > > the > > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > > > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > like > > to > > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking > and > > > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to > > go > > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > help. > > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > > > Tentative plan: > > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > Traverse > > > City > > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have > any > > > recommendations? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Wed Sep 16 22:24:40 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2020 21:24:40 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] a different furling system, similar problems & solutions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, thanks for the tips. I've had an issue where my outline line for the main tends to get twisted and now I think it's because I've not followed ruled #2 in the list. When furled, I had the outhaul wrapped between two cleats and didn't follow a figure 8 path. I'm redoing the IMF furling / outhaul lines between this season and next season to emulate Peter's setup so I'll be careful to not coil the double braided line going forward. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 5:28 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Rubin passed on to me and I thought I might post it. It is not about the > R22 furling system, it is for the Island Packet. Still I found a number of > problems and solutions useful for the Rhodes. So see if you can spot the > differences and similarities. > > > FURLING MASTS?..more lessons earned. > Norm Pierce September 2020 > > The furling mainsail hardware used in a Charleston Spar has proven to be a > very simple and robust system. > > It is the tackle needed to handle the sail, and the sailor, that are the > weak parts. > > The end result: THE SAILOR BLAMES THE FURLER !!!!! > > Our experience has shown that it is the inability of the sailor to read, > understand and follow the instructions on the use and care of the entire > system that is major cause of any problems encountered. > > #1 Keeping the system clean: When you wash down the boat, wash the blocks, > control lines, boom, track and hose out the car in top of the boom while > rolling it back and forth. Wash the furlers, all three of them. Make sure > the drain at the aft-bottom of the mast at the deck is working. Salt > crystals are like little knives in the lines and blocks. Keeping them clean > of salt and dirt will lengthen their life and ease the lines movement > through the blocks and over the track stop at the outer end of the boom. > > #2 Every quality double braid rope manufacturer states that: ?Double Braid > rope should always be coiled in a figure eight.? (the natural way it wants > to coil when relatively new) Yet many refuse to do it, or make sure their > crew does it. The end result of coiling it in a circle is a line with > permanent twists of the inner core against the outer cover, which creates > friction every time the twisted line goes through a block creating wear in > both. Add to that the normal degradation of the sun, salt and dirt, and > soon the lines outer cover begins to fray and bind as it makes its way > through the blocks and over the boom track stop block at the outer end of > the boom. > > #3 Boom height: Over time and sailing on the wind with a tight topping > lift stretches it. Eventually the sailor notices it and over tightens it to > the point where the angle of the outhaul to the clew in not ideal, and that > increases the stresses on the furling tackle with the extra effort needed > to use it, shortening its life. > > #4 Halyard tension; The furling mainsails luff sets in an extrusion very > similar to the headsails. The difference is that the mainsails extrusion is > round (not foil shaped), has no stay inside and is attached only at the top > of the furler. The halyard is attached to the upper swivel and the sails > luff tape is slid into a slot just like the headsails. When attaching the > sail and when the sail is deployed the attaching points are about 1? aft of > the extrusion. Over tensioning of the halyard will bow the extrusion in the > middle and as the sail begins to fill the mast cavity it can create a > difficulty in fully furling the sail. And, forcing it can make unfurling > very difficult. Ideally, furled or deployed with no wind in the sail one > should be able to move the tack strap with ones fingers a little with out a > lot of effort. > > #5 Furling Properly: As one prepares to furl the mainsail, head the boat > up leaving the wind slightly on the starboard side of the boat. Furling > line on the winch, outhaul ready to ease out, and as one winches the sail > into the mast hold some tension on the outhaul to get a smooth furling of > the sail around the extrusion and into the mast. > > I can see any or all of the above way too often when I step on your boat ! > And you can too ! > > Standing in the cockpit and sighting forward along the furler and outhaul > control lines. I see the fleck of color or the pattern of the braid spirals > between the stopper and the first block. Running my hands along the lines I > feel that they are no longer smooth but rough and frayed. > > I release the outhaul and go up on deck to the coach roof, I pull out some > slack and grab the outhaul at the clew block and at the exit under the > forward end of the boom and try to pull them back and forth. It takes very > little tension to make it very hard to move in either direction as the > twisted, fraying of the lines cover resists making the 180-degree turn over > the end of the boom. And you blamed the furler ???? (I did too, initially) > J > > Replace those lines and start treating them with the respect they deserve > and enjoy the furling main again. > > > > Sail bunching or overlapping ? > > 1: Failure to maintain resistance on outhaul while furling. > > 2: Halyard too tight or too loose. Make adjustments small. > > 3: Sail ?Baggy?, stretched out in the middle. Replace the sail. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis I & II > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 07:28:11 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 07:28:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer In-Reply-To: References: <962904AA-AC64-4F16-934F-AF76CC6B5654@verizon.net> Message-ID: Tom, The custom job, was pretty primitive. It's been 4 years but as I recall, I put a small plywood triangle "deck on the frame near the winch and using some "U" bolts attacked a cross piece of 2 X 4 to clamp the engine. Then a lot of line wrapped around the motor and the vertical part of the trailer as an extra measure. Since I would only use this for the longer trips, it wasn't very convenient for day sailing. I am sure a more efficient method could be designed using the plywood "DECK" and some sort of clamp. Chris G Enosis On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 9:34 AM Thomas s wrote: > Chris, > > How did you mount the motor on the tongue? > Did you build some kind of a custom attachment? > > Thanks, > > Tom > S/V Just Bent > > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 5:43 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > I've towed my 2nd Rhodes from east coast to west coast then in and out of > the Cascades several times a year, towed up to Canada several times from > Oregon, and down to Mexico several times then back to the East coast. > Definitely you need a minimum of 10% tongue weight. I towed with more as > my boat was full of VIC ( very important crap). I always took the motor > off and usually on all the long hauls, I mounted it up on the tongue > upright and the rudder flat on the frame by the tongue. Never had a > problem in all that time. I towed with a 6cyl F150 and Switched to an F250 > 6 litre diesel which was a dream. > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 4:23 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Rob, thanks for the info. > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 3:20 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > > > > > Jesse, > > > I've got a 1999 Grand Cherokee with a V-8 and factory installed tow > > > package rated at 5,000 pounds. It's adequate. - Rob > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:00 PM > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > Tom, do you find that the Grand Cherokee to be up to the job of towing? > > > What kind of engine / trim level do you have? Eventually I may get a > > used > > > tow vehicle and the Grand Cherokee was on the list of candidates. We > > live > > > in a condo and have limited parking space in a garage so a Grand > Cherokee > > > would probably fit better than a truck. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:49 PM Tom Van Heule < > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > > > I agree this has been valuable. Thank you everyone. > > > > > > > > I wonder about the track geometry. My trailer has a wider track > than > > > the > > > > grand cherokee. After about 55 I get some wagging. But from the > 10% > > > > tongue weight math I am still missing 150#. Probably exposing my > great > > > > depth of knowledge... I will look at quick release tiller so the > > > > rudder+ can travel ahead of the axle at least... I'm not too exited , > > > > although it's cool and functional, of the idea of remounting the > > > > outboard as the connections stand. > > > > > > > > Aside, Does anyone have resources or tips on welding repairs for the > > > > galvanized trailer? I understand to grind away all zinc and use a > cold > > > > galvanized paint. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020, 2:21 PM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < > > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan?s > next > > > > month > > > > > and bring home a winter project. I haven?t done any highway towing > > > > > for a long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. > > > Thanks all. > > > > > Scott A. > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA < > roger_pihlaja at msn.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > ?Graham, > > > > > > > > > > > > I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital > > > > > > bathroom > > > > > scale under the tongue jack. > > > > > > > > > > > > Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on > > > > > > the > > > > > tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase > on > > > > tongue > > > > > weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom. Just this one > > > > change > > > > > would get you pretty close to where you should be. > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail > for > > > > > Windows 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM > > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger: > > > > > > I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again > > > > > > to see > > > > > what > > > > > > the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, > > > > > > motor > > > > > and > > > > > > trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be > > > > > > at > > > > > least > > > > > > 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and > > > > others > > > > > if > > > > > > they post it to da list. > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > ROGER PIHLAJA > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM > > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham, > > > > > > > > > > > > Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with > > > > suggesting > > > > > > your bunks need to be moved forward. It doesn't need to be much, > > > > > probably > > > > > > only a couple of inches. By any chance, could you move the bunk > > > > supports > > > > > > from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side? > > > > > > If > > > > the > > > > > > bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; > > > > > > then, > > > > > you > > > > > > will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to > > > > > > move the bunks forward. The general rule of thumb is that you > > > > > > should have => > > > > 10% > > > > > of > > > > > > the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability. Your > > > > trailer > > > > > is > > > > > > way short of that. My wife won't let me have the excitement of > > > > > > having > > > > > the > > > > > > boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway! > > > > > > > > > > > > Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, > > > > > > like > > > > > removing > > > > > > the outboard and stowing it on the tongue. You could always tow > > > > > > with a > > > > > full > > > > > > water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to > > > > > > the V-berth. But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA > > > > > > factor to > > > > > rigging > > > > > > and unrigging. > > > > > > > > > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > > > > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail > for > > > > > Windows > > > > > > 10 > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Graham Stewart > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM > > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian > it > > > > seems > > > > > > that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I > > thought. > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM > > > > > > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat > > > > > > sufficiently forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at > > > > > > the launch ramp the > > > > > bow > > > > > > eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As > a > > > > > result I > > > > > > can't pull the boat in all the way. > > > > > > > > > > > > After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow > > > > > > moves up putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I > > > > > > relieve the > > > > > strain > > > > > > on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a > > > > > > picture of > > > > > the > > > > > > winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it > > > > > > here. I > > > > > also > > > > > > weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think > it > > > > > should be > > > > > > heavier that 140 lbs. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any suggestions would be welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > Graham Stewart > > > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > > > > > > Kingston Ontario > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] > On > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > Lowe, Rob > > > > > > Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM > > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > First off, sorry about your mishaps. I've done the same thing > > sort > > > > of. > > > > > > Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your need to get the support welded. Make sure they weld it at > > > > > > the > > > > same > > > > > > angle as it was. I think they angle out a bit and the guy who > > > > > > welded > > > > > mine > > > > > > made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between > > > > > > the > > > > > boards. > > > > > > I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the > > > > > > keel > > > > > would > > > > > > fit. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared > > > > > > this > > > > > wisdom. > > > > > > Leave your centerboard down when retrieving. The centerboard > will > > > > > > help guide the boat into position on the trailer. Once centered > > > > > > and winched > > > > > in , > > > > > > PULL THE BOARD BACK UP. Does anyone else do it this way? It sure > > > > > > works > > > > > for > > > > > > me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: Rhodes22-list On > Behalf > > > > > > Of > > > > > Tom > > > > > > Van Heule > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM > > > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer > > > > > > > > > > > > Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and > > > > launching > > > > > our > > > > > > boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge > > > > > > weight, > > > > > the > > > > > > aft port window centered above the axle. Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke > > > > > > on > > > > the > > > > > > back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. > > > > > > Single > > > > > axle. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now see where the aft port is related to the axle. > > > > > > We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly > > better. > > > > > > > > > > > > You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then? > > > > > > We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :( > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I > > > > > > don't > > > > > see a > > > > > > lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive. > > > > > > > > > > > > I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem > > > > crotch > > > > > > full retracted worked perfect. > > > > > > Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not > a > > > > > tractor > > > > > > pull... > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope everyone had a great weekend. > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112144.jpg > > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > > Size: 3275134 bytes > > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > > > > f47/a > > > > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > > Name: IMG_20200913_112058.jpg > > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > > Size: 4169607 bytes > > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200913/b91b4 > > > > f47/a > > > > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > > Name: Position of boat on trailer.jpg > > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > > Size: 208192 bytes > > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > > > > 374/a > > > > > > ttachment.jpg> > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > > > scrubbed... > > > > > > Name: Tongue weight with motor on transom.jpg > > > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > > > Size: 285648 bytes > > > > > > Desc: not available > > > > > > URL: > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200914/44af9 > > > > 374/a > > > > > > ttachment-0001.jpg> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > > > scrubbed... > > > > Name: IMG_20200915_144534.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 4454272 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: < > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200915/7e7b9 > > > > 19c/attachment.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Thu Sep 17 10:24:13 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 14:24:13 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Facilities Available In The Apostle Islands? In-Reply-To: References: , Message-ID: Hi Jesse, Thanks for the info, it?s very helpful. We usually try to beach camp on trips like this. I know there is a small NPS pier and 3 backcountry campsites on Sand Island. But, the NPS pier is on the east side of the island and pretty exposed. There are nice hiking trails, a lighthouse, a sea stack, and sea caves on Sand Island. The best sea caves in the whole archipelago are in Squaw Bay, which is only a few miles southwest from Sand Island. We put-in at a beach on Siskiwitt Bay a few miles south on the west side of the Bayfield Peninsula and did a day trip loop in our kayaks to visit the Squaw Bay sea caves. But, it was a calm day and I remember some boats at anchor just offshore from the Squaw Bay sea caves. On our sea kayaking trip, we beach camped on a deserted beach in the southeast corner of York Island. But, there is no good anchorage there and it?s a pretty exposed site, so that?s not a viable option this time around. Is there any way to dock or anchor overnight in the vicinity of the Visitor Center on Stockton Island? Supposedly, Devils Island has a lighthouse, sea caves, and arches. It would be nice to spend a night there. But, it could be pretty risky as Devil?s Island is the northernmost island in the archipelago. By the way, the next time you visit the Apostle Islands, if conditions permit (i.e. dead calm), you should consider anchoring out and taking your dingy into the sea caves on either Sand Island or Squaw Bay. You can?t really appreciate the sea caves from the mother ship and you can?t see them from the hiking trails on top of the cliff. You have to get into them in a small boat. Some of the sea caves will be too narrow for a dingy; but, there are many caves you will be able to explore. Remember to bring a headlight and wear gloves so you can move hand-over-hand along the rock. Canoe paddles will work better vs. oars and don?t even think about firing up your outboard inside the caves ? too many prop killing rocks and ledges! It?s an experience you will remember all your life! Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jesse Shumaker Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:20 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Facilities Available In The Apostle Islands? Hi Roger, I had good experiences on both trips to the Apostle Islands this summer and learned a lot. Your request gave me an excuse to do a brief writeup on the trips including an overview, general info, and some photos.. You can access that at the following link: https://drive.google.com/file/d/11de_-DynpiEc6D-zMGJbfU9BvzTBvDDK/view?usp=sharing I will definitely return to these sailing grounds. I would really like to make a trip to Grand Marais and Isle Royale. If there's any specific info you're looking for that I didn't cover in the attached document, please let me know and I'll try to help. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:55 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > Before I propose the idea of a Sailing/Kayaking High Adventure Trip in the > Apostle Islands next summer to my family, I would like to have some local > knowledge about the archipelago. From your recent charter trip, do you > have any insights regarding good anchorages, transient boat slips, > restaurants, grocery stores, marinas, etc.; especially in the outer > islands? Do you have a good navigation reference resource? > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:23 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan > > Jeanneau 379. Definitely bigger than what we need, and a couple of steps > up from the Jeanneau 33 that we chartered in Apostle Islands, but that is > what is available on short notice. We'll have some family on board, one of > which is a sailor out of Traverse City so that will be helpful. I'm > curious to try the IMF on a larger boat. Our itinerary will depend on > weather conditions. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:41 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > What are you chartering? > > > > I spent 20+ years in west michigan. Beautiful. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been rescheduled > > due > > > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > > crazy > > > year of 2020. > > > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > > Traverse > > > City, Michigan > > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > > middle > > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us on > > > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most of > > the > > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix or > > > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > like > > to > > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking > and > > > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had to > > go > > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > help. > > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > > > Tentative plan: > > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > Traverse > > > City > > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have > any > > > recommendations? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > From gramille at tds.net Thu Sep 17 12:10:04 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 09:10:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling problem fixed with new outhaul car. In-Reply-To: References: <1600270621311-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1600359004885-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Sorry Shawn, I have an Apple and very little technical ability to post a photo. Maybe it is on the GB site? Graham -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Thu Sep 17 14:08:49 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 13:08:49 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Facilities Available In The Apostle Islands? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Roger, Thanks for the tips regarding future adventures to Apostle Islands. I think you know the area better than I do based on your prior trips. While you probably already knew much of the info in the document from my last note, I thought others might find it to be a good starting point for planning and the photos in the document might just be enough to spur on others from the list to make a trip there. It really is a great place to sail. I would like to spend more time in the outer islands the next time we go. The sea caves must be amazing, but conditions were not conducive to exploring those when we were there since it was windy. Regarding Stockton Island, we anchored nearby the visitors center accessible via the dock at Presque Isle Bay. That anchorage is well protected in all but south or southeast winds. The depth drops gradually and it has a sandy bottom which held well. The docks there are in good condition but the depth is shallow at 4-7'. As long as water levels are not low, you should be able to dock with the centerboard pulled up in your R22. Charter boats are not permitted to use any of the NPS docks on the islands due to draft. I attached a photo of the long dock at Presque Isle Bay at Stockton where we tied up the dinghy to go hiking. There is also an L shaped dock as you can see from the attached snippet from Google Earth. The visitors center is to the southeast of the docks, but it was closed when we were there due to COVID. All the lighthouses were also closed while we were there. We plan to go back some day and do more exploring including tours at some of the light houses. I look forward to hearing about your next trip to the Apostle Islands! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:24 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi Jesse, > > Thanks for the info, it?s very helpful. We usually try to beach camp on > trips like this. I know there is a small NPS pier and 3 backcountry > campsites on Sand Island. But, the NPS pier is on the east side of the > island and pretty exposed. There are nice hiking trails, a lighthouse, a > sea stack, and sea caves on Sand Island. The best sea caves in the whole > archipelago are in Squaw Bay, which is only a few miles southwest from Sand > Island. We put-in at a beach on Siskiwitt Bay a few miles south on the > west side of the Bayfield Peninsula and did a day trip loop in our kayaks > to visit the Squaw Bay sea caves. But, it was a calm day and I remember > some boats at anchor just offshore from the Squaw Bay sea caves. On our > sea kayaking trip, we beach camped on a deserted beach in the southeast > corner of York Island. But, there is no good anchorage there and it?s a > pretty exposed site, so that?s not a viable option this time around. Is > there any way to dock or anchor overnight in the vicinity of the Visitor > Center on Stockton Island? Supposedly, Devils Island has a lighthouse, sea > caves, and arches. It would be nice to spend a night there. But, it could > be pretty risky as Devil?s Island is the northernmost island in the > archipelago. > > By the way, the next time you visit the Apostle Islands, if conditions > permit (i.e. dead calm), you should consider anchoring out and taking your > dingy into the sea caves on either Sand Island or Squaw Bay. You can?t > really appreciate the sea caves from the mother ship and you can?t see them > from the hiking trails on top of the cliff. You have to get into them in a > small boat. Some of the sea caves will be too narrow for a dingy; but, > there are many caves you will be able to explore. Remember to bring a > headlight and wear gloves so you can move hand-over-hand along the rock. > Canoe paddles will work better vs. oars and don?t even think about firing > up your outboard inside the caves ? too many prop killing rocks and > ledges! It?s an experience you will remember all your life! > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > From: Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2020 10:20 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Facilities Available In The Apostle Islands? > > Hi Roger, I had good experiences on both trips to the Apostle Islands this > summer and learned a lot. Your request gave me an excuse to do a brief > writeup on the trips including an overview, general info, and some > photos.. You can access that at the following link: > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/11de_-DynpiEc6D-zMGJbfU9BvzTBvDDK/view?usp=sharing > > I will definitely return to these sailing grounds. I would really like to > make a trip to Grand Marais and Isle Royale. If there's any specific info > you're looking for that I didn't cover in the attached document, please let > me know and I'll try to help. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 8:55 AM ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > Hi Jesse, > > > > Before I propose the idea of a Sailing/Kayaking High Adventure Trip in > the > > Apostle Islands next summer to my family, I would like to have some local > > knowledge about the archipelago. From your recent charter trip, do you > > have any insights regarding good anchorages, transient boat slips, > > restaurants, grocery stores, marinas, etc.; especially in the outer > > islands? Do you have a good navigation reference resource? > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from Mail for > > Windows 10 > > > > From: Jesse Shumaker > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:23 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan > > > > Jeanneau 379. Definitely bigger than what we need, and a couple of steps > > up from the Jeanneau 33 that we chartered in Apostle Islands, but that is > > what is available on short notice. We'll have some family on board, one > of > > which is a sailor out of Traverse City so that will be helpful. I'm > > curious to try the IMF on a larger boat. Our itinerary will depend on > > weather conditions. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:41 PM Tom Van Heule < > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > > What are you chartering? > > > > > > I spent 20+ years in west michigan. Beautiful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been > rescheduled > > > due > > > > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by this > > > crazy > > > > year of 2020. > > > > > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > > > Traverse > > > > City, Michigan > > > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > > > middle > > > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us > on > > > > board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending most > of > > > the > > > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix > or > > > > possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we would > > like > > > to > > > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice docking > > and > > > > other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for us. We had > to > > > go > > > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > > help. > > > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > > > > > Tentative plan: > > > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > > Traverse > > > > City > > > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and have > > any > > > > recommendations? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We are in the process of trying to get it unjammed. I saw that you will be sailing out of Traverse City later this month and again next summer. It is possible that we will still be in the area when you are here this year and we will certainly be around next summer. It would be nice to meet you some time when you are Up North. Bob Cohen -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:23 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan Jeanneau 379. Definitely bigger than what we need, and a couple of steps up from the Jeanneau 33 that we chartered in Apostle Islands, but that is what is available on short notice. We'll have some family on board, one of which is a sailor out of Traverse City so that will be helpful. I'm curious to try the IMF on a larger boat. Our itinerary will depend on weather conditions. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:41 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > What are you chartering? > > I spent 20+ years in west michigan. Beautiful. > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been > > rescheduled > due > > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by > > this > crazy > > year of 2020. > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > Traverse > > City, Michigan > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > middle > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us > > on board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending > > most of > the > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix > > or possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we > > would like > to > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice > > docking and other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for > > us. We had to > go > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts help. > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > Tentative plan: > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > > Traverse City > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and > > have any recommendations? > > > > Thanks, > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 07:28:08 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 06:28:08 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan In-Reply-To: <009001d68d61$a6820010$f3860030$@gmail.com> References: <009001d68d61$a6820010$f3860030$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, thanks for reaching out. I will email you directly so we can exchange more contact info. It would be great to meet up! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 9:16 PM wrote: > Hi Jesse - > I am new to the Rhodes list. My wife and I spend summers in a house in > Arcadia, MI, an hour (driving time) from Traverse City. Last fall we > bought a Rhodes ("Silver Bay") which we keep at a marina in Onekama on > Portage Lake. It is our first sailboat, and we have been proceeding very > gingerly. Unfortunately, a few weeks ago, the mainsail furling mechanism > got jammed while sailing. We are in the process of trying to get it > unjammed. > > I saw that you will be sailing out of Traverse City later this month and > again next summer. It is possible that we will still be in the area when > you are here this year and we will certainly be around next summer. It > would be nice to meet you some time when you are Up North. > > Bob Cohen > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Jesse Shumaker > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 4:23 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] sailing in Grand Traverse Bay in Michigan > > Jeanneau 379. Definitely bigger than what we need, and a couple of steps > up from the Jeanneau 33 that we chartered in Apostle Islands, but that is > what is available on short notice. We'll have some family on board, one of > which is a sailor out of Traverse City so that will be helpful. I'm > curious to try the IMF on a larger boat. Our itinerary will depend on > weather conditions. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Tue, Sep 15, 2020 at 2:41 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > What are you chartering? > > > > I spent 20+ years in west michigan. Beautiful. > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020, 6:05 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > My wife and I had sailing plans out west, but that has been > > > rescheduled > > due > > > to the wildfires and resulting air quality. I really feel bad for > > > everyone affected by that on top of everything else delivered by > > > this > > crazy > > > year of 2020. > > > > > > We swiftly changed plans and will be chartering a sailboat out of > > Traverse > > > City, Michigan > > > later this month. We're actually going to be up there again in the > > middle > > > of next summer. We have some family nearby that will be joining us > > > on board for part of the trip. For this round we plan on spending > > > most of > > the > > > time within Grand Traverse Bay and going as far North as Charlevoix > > > or possibly Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay. Next summer we > > > would like > > to > > > make it over to Beaver Island if weather permits. > > > > > > For the first day, we're going to hire a captain and practice > > > docking and other boat handling since this will be a bigger boat for > > > us. We had to > > go > > > with what was available on short notice but end of season discounts > help. > > > It has IMF so it will be interesting to try that on a bigger boat. > > > > > > Tentative plan: > > > Thursday 9/24 1 Captain - spend the night at Elmwood Marina in > > > Traverse City > > > Friday 9/25 2 Power Island & Sutton's Bay > > > Saturday 9/26 3 Northport / Old Mission Bay > > > Sunday 9/27 4 Charleviox / Harbor Point in Little Traverse Bay > > > Monday 9/28 5 Omena Bay / Ingalls Bay > > > Tuesday 9/29 6 Elk Rapids / Old Mission > > > Wednesday 9/30 7 Return to Traverse City > > > > > > Would anyone on the list happen to be familiar with the area and > > > have any recommendations? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > > From stan at generalboats.com Fri Sep 18 10:45:40 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 10:45:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A List Notice Re IMF Message-ID: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> Please, dear Rhodies, be advised that "IMF" is not a generic term.? It is the name of the IMF system found only on Rhodes 22 sailboat.? It is not on, or available for, any other sailboat. Indiscriminate use of the name IMF is proving damaging to General Boats. All other boats that have sails that furl inside their masts have systems that are completely different.? Those companies do not call their systems IMF, nor should you. Thanks for honoring the good reasons for General Boats sensitivity in this matter. From kensimolo at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 10:51:29 2020 From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 07:51:29 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Sail Specifications Message-ID: I apologize - I know I have the specifications but I can not find them. A friend has a sail that he thinks might make a good spare for my main sail. Does anyone have the numbers for the luff, foot, etc.? Thanks, Ken From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 15:54:38 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 15:54:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A List Notice Re IMF In-Reply-To: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> References: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> Message-ID: I watch my mouth from now on. I suspect I might have been a repeat offender. Chris G Enosis On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 10:45, stan wrote: > Please, dear Rhodies, be advised that "IMF" is not a generic term. It > is the name of the IMF system found only on Rhodes 22 sailboat. It is > not on, or available for, any other sailboat. > > Indiscriminate use of the name IMF is proving damaging to General Boats. > All other boats that have sails that furl inside their masts have > systems that are completely different. Those companies do not call > their systems IMF, nor should you. > > Thanks for honoring the good reasons for General Boats sensitivity in > this matter. > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 16:25:19 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:25:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A List Notice Re IMF In-Reply-To: References: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Chris, I hope you're not also abusing seat cushions! Regards, Rick Lange On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:54 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > I watch my mouth from now on. I suspect I might have been a repeat > offender. > Chris G > Enosis > > On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 10:45, stan wrote: > > > Please, dear Rhodies, be advised that "IMF" is not a generic term. It > > is the name of the IMF system found only on Rhodes 22 sailboat. It is > > not on, or available for, any other sailboat. > > > > Indiscriminate use of the name IMF is proving damaging to General Boats. > > All other boats that have sails that furl inside their masts have > > systems that are completely different. Those companies do not call > > their systems IMF, nor should you. > > > > Thanks for honoring the good reasons for General Boats sensitivity in > > this matter. > > > From stan at generalboats.com Fri Sep 18 16:49:59 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 16:49:59 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A List Notice Re IMF In-Reply-To: References: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <5a08cd2b-0585-4c93-9545-28c1908373d1@generalboats.com> OK stand up boat comic. All inquiries that come in from now on that say, "Hold the IMF with my order. My friend has IMF with his 32 and is not happy with it" get forwarded to you.? Explain what means 'as different as apples and oranges' and that you have the 'real thing' on your Rhodes and that it is 'swell'. On 9/18/20 4:25 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > Chris, > > I hope you're not also abusing seat cushions! > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 17:45:00 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:45:00 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A List Notice Re IMF In-Reply-To: References: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> Message-ID: only when no one is looking. Hard to get the mesh impressions out of my face. Chris G On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:25 PM Rick Lange wrote: > Chris, > > I hope you're not also abusing seat cushions! > > Regards, > > Rick Lange > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 3:54 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I watch my mouth from now on. I suspect I might have been a repeat > > offender. > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 10:45, stan wrote: > > > > > Please, dear Rhodies, be advised that "IMF" is not a generic term. It > > > is the name of the IMF system found only on Rhodes 22 sailboat. It is > > > not on, or available for, any other sailboat. > > > > > > Indiscriminate use of the name IMF is proving damaging to General > Boats. > > > All other boats that have sails that furl inside their masts have > > > systems that are completely different. Those companies do not call > > > their systems IMF, nor should you. > > > > > > Thanks for honoring the good reasons for General Boats sensitivity in > > > this matter. > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 17:48:23 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:48:23 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A List Notice Re IMF In-Reply-To: <5a08cd2b-0585-4c93-9545-28c1908373d1@generalboats.com> References: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> <5a08cd2b-0585-4c93-9545-28c1908373d1@generalboats.com> Message-ID: I surrender to you superior comic boat witticisms. Me, I stick to the less clever boat half-witticisms. Your semi bediant servant, Chris G Enosis On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM stan wrote: > OK stand up boat comic. All inquiries that come in from now on that say, > "Hold the IMF with my order. My friend has IMF with his 32 and is not > happy with it" get forwarded to you. Explain what means 'as different > as apples and oranges' and that you have the 'real thing' on your Rhodes > and that it is 'swell'. > > On 9/18/20 4:25 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > Chris, > > > > I hope you're not also abusing seat cushions! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rick Lange > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Sep 18 18:03:52 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 17:03:52 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A List Notice Re IMF In-Reply-To: References: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> <5a08cd2b-0585-4c93-9545-28c1908373d1@generalboats.com> Message-ID: I shall put my wrist out for slapping as well. So many acronyms today, I have saved thumb time before by saying IMF malaprotiscticly , which I now spend bowing to my empiritors. It would help us all to be educated, again perhaps, on the sublities so we can distill the misinformation and spam? Happy Friday all, Tvh On Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 4:48 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > I surrender to you superior comic boat witticisms. Me, I stick to the > less clever boat half-witticisms. > Your semi bediant servant, > Chris G > Enosis > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM stan wrote: > > > OK stand up boat comic. All inquiries that come in from now on that say, > > "Hold the IMF with my order. My friend has IMF with his 32 and is not > > happy with it" get forwarded to you. Explain what means 'as different > > as apples and oranges' and that you have the 'real thing' on your Rhodes > > and that it is 'swell'. > > > > On 9/18/20 4:25 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > > Chris, > > > > > > I hope you're not also abusing seat cushions! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > > > From stan at generalboats.com Fri Sep 18 18:49:21 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 18:49:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A List Notice Re IMF In-Reply-To: References: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> <5a08cd2b-0585-4c93-9545-28c1908373d1@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <70e4f147-a413-60b9-b198-016eada1d0dd@generalboats.com> Chris and Rick, OK, let' all go directly to jail and start over again.? I plead guilty. Rick (not Chris) was the intended target of my piece for his having carried my IMF claim to fame over to then, 'why wouldn't I therefore also lay claim to Rhodes cockpit cushions'. I thought that a worthy enough bit of humor to elaborate on for those who might not get it. Hmm, on second thought Rick might be on to something.? Everyone knows now that "IMF" stands for GB's Inner Mast Furling, which is different, and therefore should not be lumped in with other non IMF systems that have a main sail furl into a mast.? But henceforth let it also be known that RCCCC stands for Rhodes Closed Cell Cockpit Cushions.? So when a friend says he has RCCCC on his 32 footer and is not happy with them, he (or she) is talking apples and oranges gibberish again. On 9/18/20 5:48 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > I surrender to you superior comic boat witticisms. Me, I stick to the > less clever boat half-witticisms. > Your semi bediant servant, > Chris G > Enosis > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM stan wrote: > >> OK stand up boat comic. All inquiries that come in from now on that say, >> "Hold the IMF with my order. My friend has IMF with his 32 and is not >> happy with it" get forwarded to you. Explain what means 'as different >> as apples and oranges' and that you have the 'real thing' on your Rhodes >> and that it is 'swell'. >> >> On 9/18/20 4:25 PM, Rick Lange wrote: >>> Chris, >>> >>> I hope you're not also abusing seat cushions! >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Rick Lange >>> >> From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Sep 18 19:03:47 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 18:03:47 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A List Notice Re IMF In-Reply-To: <70e4f147-a413-60b9-b198-016eada1d0dd@generalboats.com> References: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> <5a08cd2b-0585-4c93-9545-28c1908373d1@generalboats.com> <70e4f147-a413-60b9-b198-016eada1d0dd@generalboats.com> Message-ID: Hahahahah. Love you stan. On Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 5:49 PM stan wrote: > > Chris and Rick, > > OK, let' all go directly to jail and start over again. I plead guilty. > Rick (not Chris) was the intended target of my piece for his having > carried my IMF claim to fame over to then, 'why wouldn't I therefore > also lay claim to Rhodes cockpit cushions'. I thought that a worthy > enough bit of humor to elaborate on for those who might not get it. > > Hmm, on second thought Rick might be on to something. Everyone knows > now that "IMF" stands for GB's Inner Mast Furling, which is different, > and therefore should not be lumped in with other non IMF systems that > have a main sail furl into a mast. But henceforth let it also be known > that RCCCC stands for Rhodes Closed Cell Cockpit Cushions. So when a > friend says he has RCCCC on his 32 footer and is not happy with them, he > (or she) is talking apples and oranges gibberish again. > > On 9/18/20 5:48 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > I surrender to you superior comic boat witticisms. Me, I stick to the > > less clever boat half-witticisms. > > Your semi bediant servant, > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM stan wrote: > > > >> OK stand up boat comic. All inquiries that come in from now on that say, > >> "Hold the IMF with my order. My friend has IMF with his 32 and is not > >> happy with it" get forwarded to you. Explain what means 'as different > >> as apples and oranges' and that you have the 'real thing' on your Rhodes > >> and that it is 'swell'. > >> > >> On 9/18/20 4:25 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > >>> Chris, > >>> > >>> I hope you're not also abusing seat cushions! > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Rick Lange > >>> > >> > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Sep 18 22:35:10 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 21:35:10 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spotted!! Message-ID: I was watching a YouTube rabbit hole... Is this not an r22? @8 minute mark. https://youtu.be/jx7xIDQ0PPk I.wonder.WHO? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Screenshot_20200918-213117.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 682677 bytes Desc: not available URL: From john_carlson at mac.com Fri Sep 18 23:12:06 2020 From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2020 22:12:06 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A List Notice Re IMF In-Reply-To: References: <15358b99-d566-496a-f86f-57ac016235ac@generalboats.com> <5a08cd2b-0585-4c93-9545-28c1908373d1@generalboats.com> <70e4f147-a413-60b9-b198-016eada1d0dd@generalboats.com> Message-ID: That?s hilarious! My wife actually mentioned the R4C cushions tonight, noting that they were somewhat heavy. She clearly doesn?t appreciate their sea-hugging weight. Is there any chance that the next-generation, R4C2 cushions might be somewhat lighter? > On Sep 18, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Hahahahah. Love you stan. > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 5:49 PM stan wrote: > >> >> Chris and Rick, >> >> OK, let' all go directly to jail and start over again. I plead guilty. >> Rick (not Chris) was the intended target of my piece for his having >> carried my IMF claim to fame over to then, 'why wouldn't I therefore >> also lay claim to Rhodes cockpit cushions'. I thought that a worthy >> enough bit of humor to elaborate on for those who might not get it. >> >> Hmm, on second thought Rick might be on to something. Everyone knows >> now that "IMF" stands for GB's Inner Mast Furling, which is different, >> and therefore should not be lumped in with other non IMF systems that >> have a main sail furl into a mast. But henceforth let it also be known >> that RCCCC stands for Rhodes Closed Cell Cockpit Cushions. So when a >> friend says he has RCCCC on his 32 footer and is not happy with them, he >> (or she) is talking apples and oranges gibberish again. >> >> On 9/18/20 5:48 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: >>> I surrender to you superior comic boat witticisms. Me, I stick to the >>> less clever boat half-witticisms. >>> Your semi bediant servant, >>> Chris G >>> Enosis >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 4:50 PM stan wrote: >>> >>>> OK stand up boat comic. All inquiries that come in from now on that say, >>>> "Hold the IMF with my order. My friend has IMF with his 32 and is not >>>> happy with it" get forwarded to you. Explain what means 'as different >>>> as apples and oranges' and that you have the 'real thing' on your Rhodes >>>> and that it is 'swell'. >>>> >>>> On 9/18/20 4:25 PM, Rick Lange wrote: >>>>> Chris, >>>>> >>>>> I hope you're not also abusing seat cushions! >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Rick Lange >>>>> >>>> >> >> From njcassie at optonline.net Sat Sep 19 11:33:40 2020 From: njcassie at optonline.net (Nancy) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:33:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed Message-ID: We received these items for our Rhodes 22. Is the first pic showing what you can use the step the mast? Is the second used to cradle the mast in storage? Anyone know how it?s attached. Thanks Jim and Nancy Cunningham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7836.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1403839 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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We received these items for our Rhodes 22. Is the first pic showing what you can use the step the mast? Is the second used to cradle the mast in storage? Anyone know how it?s attached. Thanks Jim and Nancy Cunningham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7836.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1403839 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7837.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1554001 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone From dwbrad at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 11:53:21 2020 From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:53:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The crane attaches to a hard spot at the fore end of the cabin roof. The crutch mounts on the transom and stern rail. The shape of the cutout in relation to the stern light will tell you which way it faces. Definitely read the instruction carefully before using! You can do it single-handed but I suggest having a helper or two to keep stays and shrouds clear and steady any side sway, especially in lowering. Dave B > On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Nancy wrote: > > We received these items for our Rhodes 22. Is the first pic showing what you can use the step the mast? Is the second used to cradle the mast in storage? Anyone know how it?s attached. Thanks > Jim and Nancy Cunningham > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7836.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1403839 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_7837.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 1554001 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > -------------- next part -------------- > > > Sent from my iPhone From njcassie at optonline.net Sat Sep 19 11:56:38 2020 From: njcassie at optonline.net (Nancy) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:56:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8E133CD7-ACAD-4274-A726-525F7B174556@optonline.net> Thanks all! Nancy Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:53 AM, David Bradley wrote: > > ?The crane attaches to a hard spot at the fore end of the cabin roof. The crutch mounts on the transom and stern rail. The shape of the cutout in relation to the stern light will tell you which way it faces. > > Definitely read the instruction carefully before using! You can do it single-handed but I suggest having a helper or two to keep stays and shrouds clear and steady any side sway, especially in lowering. > > Dave B > >> On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Nancy wrote: >> >> We received these items for our Rhodes 22. Is the first pic showing what you can use the step the mast? Is the second used to cradle the mast in storage? Anyone know how it?s attached. Thanks >> Jim and Nancy Cunningham >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_7836.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 1403839 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: IMG_7837.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 1554001 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> -------------- next part -------------- >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 19 12:13:39 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 11:13:39 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed In-Reply-To: <8E133CD7-ACAD-4274-A726-525F7B174556@optonline.net> References: <8E133CD7-ACAD-4274-A726-525F7B174556@optonline.net> Message-ID: "It can be raised by one man, but what about all the others? And the women?" On Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 10:56 AM Nancy wrote: > Thanks all! > Nancy > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:53 AM, David Bradley wrote: > > > > ?The crane attaches to a hard spot at the fore end of the cabin roof. > The crutch mounts on the transom and stern rail. The shape of the cutout in > relation to the stern light will tell you which way it faces. > > > > Definitely read the instruction carefully before using! You can do it > single-handed but I suggest having a helper or two to keep stays and > shrouds clear and steady any side sway, especially in lowering. > > > > Dave B > > > >> On Sep 19, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Nancy wrote: > >> > >> We received these items for our Rhodes 22. Is the first pic showing > what you can use the step the mast? Is the second used to cradle the mast > in storage? Anyone know how it?s attached. Thanks > >> Jim and Nancy Cunningham > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: IMG_7836.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 1403839 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200919/632e55ea/attachment.jpg > > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > >> Name: IMG_7837.jpg > >> Type: image/jpeg > >> Size: 1554001 bytes > >> Desc: not available > >> URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200919/632e55ea/attachment-0001.jpg > > > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sat Sep 19 15:15:54 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 15:15:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005501d68eb9$4c9deb00$e5d9c100$@ebsmed.com> Jim & Nancy, The two parts are MOST of the mast raising crane system. More info, including full instructions, are available in our archives as follows: Mast Raising System discussion: http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/mast1.html Steps to raise mast: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment.pdf Steps to lower mast: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment-0001.pdf I also have some videos of stepping the mast from David Culp that were originally posted on sailingtexas.com but are no longer available. As soon as I can post them to www.rhodes22.org, I will send a link. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Nancy Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 11:34 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed We received these items for our Rhodes 22. Is the first pic showing what you can use the step the mast? Is the second used to cradle the mast in storage? Anyone know how it?s attached. Thanks Jim and Nancy Cunningham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7836.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1403839 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Weisner wrote: > Jim & Nancy, > > The two parts are MOST of the mast raising crane system. > > More info, including full instructions, are available in our archives as > follows: > > Mast Raising System discussion: > http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/mast1.html > > Steps to raise mast: > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment.pdf > > Steps to lower mast: > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment-0001.pdf > > I also have some videos of stepping the mast from David Culp that were > originally posted on sailingtexas.com but are no longer available. As > soon as I can post them to www.rhodes22.org, I will send a link. > > Mike > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > I?d rather be sailing :~) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > Nancy > Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 11:34 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed > > We received these items for our Rhodes 22. Is the first pic showing what > you can use the step the mast? Is the second used to cradle the mast in > storage? Anyone know how it?s attached. 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I understand the winds were 75 > knots. and the seas on the west coast of the southern Ionian were in the 5 > to 6m (20') range. I'll let you guys know when I have something solid. > I'll include a link on the info. If it doesn't work,, just google > Medicane in western Greece. > > > https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/weather/medicane-ianos-mediterranean-hurricane-greece/index.html > > > In the meantime I did get to go sailing on #2 Rhodes in Baltimore Harbor > and south to Sparrows Point, about 10 nm each way. > [image: 81BB5237-AB85-4B89-B6EA-164CFD577113_1_105_c.jpeg] > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 81BB5237-AB85-4B89-B6EA-164CFD577113_1_105_c.jpeg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 176877 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200919/b4d2109f/attachment.jpeg > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 14:11:42 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 14:11:42 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] End of Rhodes in the Med? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for the thoughts. #2 is owned by my son and daughter-in-law and us. They get to name it. I expect ? Salah? Which has a plethora of cool meanings. Chris G On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 10:25, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > Chris, I sure hope Enosis survived the storm alright. We have all > vicariously enjoyed your adventures, thanks to your journals. Glad to hear > your stateside Rhodes is up and running. Will "#2" be getting a new name? > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:44 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Can't really reach anyone at the marina where Enosis is in storage. But > > this type of storm can be very powerful. I understand the winds were > 75 > > knots. and the seas on the west coast of the southern Ionian were in the > 5 > > to 6m (20') range. I'll let you guys know when I have something solid. > > I'll include a link on the info. If it doesn't work,, just google > > Medicane in western Greece. > > > > > > > https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/weather/medicane-ianos-mediterranean-hurricane-greece/index.html > > > > > > In the meantime I did get to go sailing on #2 Rhodes in Baltimore Harbor > > and south to Sparrows Point, about 10 nm each way. > > [image: 81BB5237-AB85-4B89-B6EA-164CFD577113_1_105_c.jpeg] > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: 81BB5237-AB85-4B89-B6EA-164CFD577113_1_105_c.jpeg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 176877 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200919/b4d2109f/attachment.jpeg > > > > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Sep 20 16:30:20 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 16:30:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] End of Rhodes in the Med? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Xbox Xbox xss xss xss ssxsxz, -------- Original message --------From: Chris Geankoplis Date: 9/20/20 2:11 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Ezs,mail List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] End of Rhodes in the Med? Thanks for the thoughts. #2 is owned by my son and daughter-in-law and us.They get to name it. I expect ? Salah? Which has a plethora of coolmeanings.Chris zsxzxG#c.a cc'scc's x cc's CD sdd EDC dc exceed dc feeds CD feeds feed dx#d feeds f CD fddc DVD feeds dd CD cd CD cd CD df fee CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CDCD Ssd's cc's cc's xzxxxfOn Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 10:25, c.acc'scc's Jesse Shumaker is sxwrotecs:Xss ddc.a cc'sxx$#@"'s s c cc's> Chrisxxx, I sure hope Enosis survived the storm alright.? We have all> vicariously enjoyed your adventures, thanks to your journals.? Glad to hear> your stateside Rhodes is up and running.? Will "#2" be getting a new name?>> Jesse Shumaker> S/V Zephyr>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:44 PM Chris Geankoplis <> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>> wrote:>> > Can't really reach anyone at the marina where Enosis is in storage.? But> > this type of storm can be very powerful.??? I understand the winds were> 75> > knots. and the seas on the west coast of the southern Ionian were in the> 5> > to 6m (20') range.? I'll let you guys know when I have something solid.> > I'll include a link on the info.? If it doesn't work,, just google> > Medicane in western Greece.> >> >> >> https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/weather/medicane-ianos-mediterranean-hurricane-greece/index.html> >> >> > In the meantime I did get to go sailing on #2 Rhodes in Baltimore Harbor> > and south to Sparrows Point, about 10 nm each way.> > [image: 81BB5237-AB85-4B89-B6EA-164CFD577113_1_105_c.jpeg]> > -------------- next part --------------> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> > Name: 81BB5237-AB85-4B89-B6EA-164CFD577113_1_105_c.jpeg> > Type: image/jpeg> > Size: 176877 bytes> > Desc: not available> > URL: <> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200919/b4d2109f/attachment.jpeg> > >> >> From michael.4591 at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 18:16:56 2020 From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 18:16:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spotted!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It is. Shots of two different R22s. Mike Corley On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:35 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > I was watching a YouTube rabbit hole... Is this not an r22? @8 minute > mark. https://youtu.be/jx7xIDQ0PPk > > I.wonder.WHO? > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Screenshot_20200918-213117.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 682677 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200918/d37c36c2/attachment.jpg > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sun Sep 20 18:45:37 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 17:45:37 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spotted!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I only saw the one . I did comment asking the video author where he got it from. On Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 5:17 PM Michael Corley wrote: > It is. Shots of two different R22s. > > Mike Corley > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:35 PM Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > I was watching a YouTube rabbit hole... Is this not an r22? @8 minute > > mark. https://youtu.be/jx7xIDQ0PPk > > > > I.wonder.WHO? > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Screenshot_20200918-213117.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 682677 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200918/d37c36c2/attachment.jpg > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 18:49:19 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 18:49:19 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] End of Rhodes in the Med? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michael, I don't have my decoder ring. Say What? Chris G. Enosis On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 4:30 PM Michael Weisner wrote: > Xbox Xbox xss xss xss ssxsxz, > > -------- Original message --------From: Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> Date: 9/20/20 2:11 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The > Rhodes 22 Ezs,mail List Subject: Re: > [Rhodes22-list] End of Rhodes in the Med? Thanks for the thoughts. #2 is > owned by my son and daughter-in-law and us.They get to name it. I expect ? > Salah? Which has a plethora of coolmeanings.Chris zsxzxG#c.a cc'scc's x > cc's CD sdd EDC dc exceed dc feeds CD feeds feed dx#d feeds f CD fddc DVD > feeds dd CD cd CD cd CD df fee CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CDCD Ssd's cc's cc's > xzxxxfOn Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 10:25, c.acc'scc's Jesse Shumaker is > sxwrotecs:Xss ddc.a cc'sxx$#@"'s s c > cc's> Chrisxxx, I sure hope Enosis survived the storm alright. We have > all> vicariously enjoyed your adventures, thanks to your journals. Glad to > hear> your stateside Rhodes is up and running. Will "#2" be getting a new > name?>> Jesse Shumaker> S/V Zephyr>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:44 PM Chris > Geankoplis <> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>> wrote:>> > Can't really reach > anyone at the marina where Enosis is in storage. But> > this type of storm > can be very powerful. I understand the winds were> 75> > knots. and the > seas on the west coast of the southern Ionian were in the> 5> > to 6m (20') > range. I'll let you guys know when I have something solid.> > I'll include > a link on the info. If it doesn't work,, just google> > Medicane in > western Greece.> >> >> >> > https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/weather/medicane-ianos-mediterranean-hurricane-greece/index.html> > >> >> > In the meantime I did get to go sailing on #2 Rhodes in Baltimore > Harbor> > and south to Sparrows Point, about 10 nm each way.> > [image: > 81BB5237-AB85-4B89-B6EA-164CFD577113_1_105_c.jpeg]> > -------------- next > part --------------> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> > Name: > 81BB5237-AB85-4B89-B6EA-164CFD577113_1_105_c.jpeg> > Type: image/jpeg> > > Size: 176877 bytes> > Desc: not available> > URL: <> >> > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200919/b4d2109f/attachment.jpeg> > > >> >> From mweisner at ebsmed.com Sun Sep 20 19:02:40 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 19:02:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] End of Rhodes in the Med? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My phone has a mind of it's own. Mike -------- Original message --------From: Chris Geankoplis Date: 9/20/20 6:49 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] End of Rhodes in the Med? Michael, I don't have my decoder ring.? Say What?Chris G.EnosisOn Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 4:30 PM Michael Weisner wrote:> Xbox Xbox xss xss xss ssxsxz,>> -------- Original message --------From: Chris Geankoplis <> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> Date: 9/20/20? 2:11 PM? (GMT-05:00) To: The> Rhodes 22 Ezs,mail List Subject: Re:> [Rhodes22-list] End of Rhodes in the Med? Thanks for the thoughts. #2 is> owned by my son and daughter-in-law and us.They get to name it. I expect ?> Salah? Which has a plethora of coolmeanings.Chris zsxzxG#c.a cc'scc's x> cc's CD sdd EDC dc exceed dc feeds CD feeds feed dx#d feeds f CD fddc DVD> feeds dd CD cd CD cd CD df fee CD CD CD CD CD CD CD CDCD Ssd's cc's cc's> xzxxxfOn Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 10:25, c.acc'scc's Jesse Shumaker is> sxwrotecs:Xss ddc.a cc'sxx$#@"'s s c> cc's> Chrisxxx, I sure hope Enosis survived the storm alright.? We have> all> vicariously enjoyed your adventures, thanks to your journals.? Glad to> hear> your stateside Rhodes is up and running.? Will "#2" be getting a new> name?>> Jesse Shumaker> S/V Zephyr>> On Sat, Sep 19, 2020 at 7:44 PM Chris> Geankoplis <> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>> wrote:>> > Can't really reach> anyone at the marina where Enosis is in storage.? But> > this type of storm> can be very powerful.??? I understand the winds were> 75> > knots. and the> seas on the west coast of the southern Ionian were in the> 5> > to 6m (20')> range.? I'll let you guys know when I have something solid.> > I'll include> a link on the info.? If it doesn't work,, just google> > Medicane in> western Greece.> >> >> >>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/17/weather/medicane-ianos-mediterranean-hurricane-greece/index.html>> >> >> > In the meantime I did get to go sailing on #2 Rhodes in Baltimore> Harbor> > and south to Sparrows Point, about 10 nm each way.> > [image:> 81BB5237-AB85-4B89-B6EA-164CFD577113_1_105_c.jpeg]> > -------------- next> part --------------> > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> > Name:> 81BB5237-AB85-4B89-B6EA-164CFD577113_1_105_c.jpeg> > Type: image/jpeg> >> Size: 176877 bytes> > Desc: not available> > URL: <> >>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200919/b4d2109f/attachment.jpeg>> > >> >> From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 21:39:09 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 21:39:09 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] LAZ Anchor storage Message-ID: A little while ago a couple of people asked about how I stow my Fortress/Danforth anchor in the Laz. This afternoon I built another mounting board for #3 and installed it taking some pictures along the way. Anyway, here is the "finished project". I only used what I had on hand, which wasn't a lot as I am staying with my sister-in-law and only had a few bits & pieces of stuff from my son's boat project and this one. I've put everything in a PDF so it should go through. Enjoy. Chris G Enosis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Laz Anchor Mount for a.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 587913 bytes Desc: not available URL: From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun Sep 20 22:10:33 2020 From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 22:10:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] LAZ Anchor storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <001801d68fbc$67d6c3c0$37844b40$@ca> Chris: What a terrific way to present your project. The PDF is perfect for multiple photos as it doesn't require opening and closing the browser repeatedly. It never occurred to me to post a PDF. I am very inclined to do something similar with my anchor. Graham Stewart Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 Kingston Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 9:39 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] LAZ Anchor storage A little while ago a couple of people asked about how I stow my Fortress/Danforth anchor in the Laz. This afternoon I built another mounting board for #3 and installed it taking some pictures along the way. Anyway, here is the "finished project". I only used what I had on hand, which wasn't a lot as I am staying with my sister-in-law and only had a few bits & pieces of stuff from my son's boat project and this one. I've put everything in a PDF so it should go through. Enjoy. Chris G Enosis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Laz Anchor Mount for a.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 587913 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Sep 20 22:32:37 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2020 21:32:37 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] LAZ Anchor storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, thanks for posting this. It is a great guide for one of my fall projects which involves organizing the laz and getting an improved anchoring system in place. I'll be sure to reciprocate with a recap of how it turns out later this fall. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Sun, Sep 20, 2020 at 8:39 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > A little while ago a couple of people asked about how I stow my > Fortress/Danforth anchor in the Laz. This afternoon I built another > mounting board for #3 and installed it taking some pictures along the way. > Anyway, here is the "finished project". I only used what I had on hand, > which wasn't a lot as I am staying with my sister-in-law and only had a few > bits & pieces of stuff from my son's boat project and this one. I've put > everything in a PDF so it should go through. Enjoy. > > > Chris G > Enosis > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Laz Anchor Mount for a.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 587913 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200920/1ded8b43/attachment.pdf > > > From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 06:27:18 2020 From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 06:27:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] LAZ Anchor storage In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks factory!!! > On Sep 20, 2020, at 9:39 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?A little while ago a couple of people asked about how I stow my > Fortress/Danforth anchor in the Laz. This afternoon I built another > mounting board for #3 and installed it taking some pictures along the way. > Anyway, here is the "finished project". I only used what I had on hand, > which wasn't a lot as I am staying with my sister-in-law and only had a few > bits & pieces of stuff from my son's boat project and this one. I've put > everything in a PDF so it should go through. Enjoy. > > > Chris G > Enosis > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Laz Anchor Mount for a.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 587913 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 08:57:20 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 08:57:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] LAZ Anchor storage In-Reply-To: <001801d68fbc$67d6c3c0$37844b40$@ca> References: <001801d68fbc$67d6c3c0$37844b40$@ca> Message-ID: Hey Graham, One thought that came to me in my sleep. The Brass angle bracket to receive the locking Pin was a mistake as is. Copper or any copper alloys are not compatible with aluminum. Best to use aluminum, or SS . Or cover the brass with a bit of clear 3/8 or 1/2 Inch hose. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 22:11, Graham Stewart wrote: > Chris: > What a terrific way to present your project. The PDF is perfect for > multiple photos as it doesn't require opening and closing the browser > repeatedly. It never occurred to me to post a PDF. I am very inclined to do > something similar with my anchor. > > Graham Stewart > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976 > Kingston Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf > Of Chris Geankoplis > Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2020 9:39 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] LAZ Anchor storage > > A little while ago a couple of people asked about how I stow my > Fortress/Danforth anchor in the Laz. This afternoon I built another > mounting board for #3 and installed it taking some pictures along the way. > Anyway, here is the "finished project". I only used what I had on hand, > which wasn't a lot as I am staying with my sister-in-law and only had a few > bits & pieces of stuff from my son's boat project and this one. I've put > everything in a PDF so it should go through. Enjoy. > > > Chris G > Enosis > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Laz Anchor Mount for a.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 587913 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200920/1ded8b43/attachment.pdf > > > > From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Mon Sep 21 09:10:46 2020 From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 13:10:46 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed In-Reply-To: <005501d68eb9$4c9deb00$e5d9c100$@ebsmed.com> References: <005501d68eb9$4c9deb00$e5d9c100$@ebsmed.com> Message-ID: Michael: It's nice to have a clear summary of mast raising and lowering in one place for R22 owners. The check list you included looks like one I may have posted some time ago. Please note that item 4.2 will vary depending on the type of mast and mast hoist crane - some connect with a crane bail to the mast bail and the other type connects two of the stays to the mast crane. Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119 Washington DC, 20016 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 3:16 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed Jim & Nancy, The two parts are MOST of the mast raising crane system. More info, including full instructions, are available in our archives as follows: Mast Raising System discussion: http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/mast1.html Steps to raise mast: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment.pdf Steps to lower mast: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment-0001.pdf I also have some videos of stepping the mast from David Culp that were originally posted on sailingtexas.com but are no longer available. As soon as I can post them to www.rhodes22.org, I will send a link. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Nancy Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 11:34 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed We received these items for our Rhodes 22. Is the first pic showing what you can use the step the mast? Is the second used to cradle the mast in storage? 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Don Simons,Ithaca, NY On Monday, September 21, 2020, 09:10:53 AM EDT, Chris Cowie wrote: Michael: It's nice to have a clear summary of mast raising and lowering in one place for R22 owners.? The check list you included looks like one I may? have posted some time ago.? Please note that item 4.2 will vary depending on the type of mast and mast hoist crane - some connect with a crane bail to the mast bail and the other type connects two of the stays to the mast crane.? Christopher P. Cowie? ?? 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119 Washington DC, 20016 202.270.1470 mobile [ccowie at cowieassociates.com] Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 3:16 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed Jim & Nancy, The two parts are MOST of the mast raising crane system. More info, including full instructions, are available in our archives as follows: Mast Raising System discussion: http://www.rhodes22.org/blew_skies/mast1.html Steps to raise mast: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment.pdf Steps to lower mast: http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20181106/6bad3c63/attachment-0001.pdf I also have some videos of stepping the mast from David Culp that were originally posted on sailingtexas.com but are no longer available. As soon as I can post them to www.rhodes22.org, I will send a link. Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Nancy Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2020 11:34 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] ID needed We received these items for our Rhodes 22.? Is the first pic showing what you can use the step the mast? Is the second used to cradle the mast in storage? Anyone know how it?s attached. Thanks Jim and Nancy Cunningham -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7836.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1403839 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_7837.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1554001 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- Sent from my iPhone From gramille at tds.net Mon Sep 21 17:03:13 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 14:03:13 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] replacing sail Message-ID: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I will be switching out my main sail in Spring and am hoping to get advice from the R22 Clan on anything I should do differently when dropping the mast in a few weeks ( we are having frosts already in Vermont!). If I just disconnect the usual two shrouds will I be able to get into the mast to replace the sail? Or do I need to to disconnect all the shrouds and take the mast off the boat? Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Sep 21 17:05:39 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 16:05:39 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] replacing sail In-Reply-To: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: I would.imagime it's easiest off the boat, and having a hoist system from GB it's what I would do. On Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 4:03 PM gramille wrote: > I will be switching out my main sail in Spring and am hoping to get advice > from the R22 Clan on anything I should do differently when dropping the > mast in a few weeks ( we are having frosts already in Vermont!). > If I just disconnect the usual two shrouds will I be able to get into the > mast to replace the sail? Or do I need to to disconnect all the shrouds and > take the mast off the boat? > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 17:24:00 2020 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 16:24:00 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] replacing sail In-Reply-To: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Graham, I assume you have IMF since a traditional mainsail is self explanatory. I have IMF and had to remove my mainsail for some patching last year. I found it was easiest to remove the mast and move it to the ground where I could then easily unfurl and unattach the mainsail. Since the entire bundle of mast+main+jib is a lot to move around all at once, you can easily disconnect the jib furler from the main at the top of the mast once it is already down and on the mast crutch. Then you can lift them down separately if you find that to be easier. Good luck! Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 4:03 PM gramille wrote: > I will be switching out my main sail in Spring and am hoping to get advice > from the R22 Clan on anything I should do differently when dropping the > mast in a few weeks ( we are having frosts already in Vermont!). > If I just disconnect the usual two shrouds will I be able to get into the > mast to replace the sail? Or do I need to to disconnect all the shrouds and > take the mast off the boat? > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 18:34:40 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 18:34:40 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Project Part Duex Message-ID: One of the reasons that I made the anchor holder in the Laz was to avoid the anchor or chain from sliding to port and shorting out the terminal block mounted on the hull lifting tube. This block is associated with the electric lift system, so if you have a power lift system you might have the same problem. With the fuel line passing quite near the terminals, there is a potential for an insurance claim (grin). Attached is a PDF with a short explanation and some pictures illustrating the project. Hope this helps someone avoid fireworks in the laz. Chris Geankoplis Enosis -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Making a Protective Cover for the Motor Lift Terminal Block in the Laz.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 316641 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Sep 21 18:40:16 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 17:40:16 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Project Part Duex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sorry, I am dense at times, Why use the laz for this when you deploy anchor from the bow? Do not all r22 have a drawer in the vberth? I saw what peter N. ( S/V Silverheels) did with his anchors, and that makes more sense to me than fabrication in the laz? Also weight stern? Thanks for enduring me, TVH On Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 5:34 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > One of the reasons that I made the anchor holder in the Laz was to avoid > the anchor or chain from sliding to port and shorting out the terminal > block mounted on the hull lifting tube. This block is associated with the > electric lift system, so if you have a power lift system you might have the > same problem. With the fuel line passing quite near the terminals, there > is a potential for an insurance claim (grin). Attached is a PDF with a > short explanation and some pictures illustrating the project. Hope this > helps someone avoid fireworks in the laz. > > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Making a Protective Cover for the Motor Lift Terminal Block in the > Laz.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 316641 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200921/5c427e00/attachment.pdf > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 18:52:09 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 18:52:09 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Project Part Duex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the same question. Rick Lange On Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 6:40 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Sorry, I am dense at times, > Why use the laz for this when you deploy anchor from the bow? Do not all > r22 have a drawer in the vberth? > > I saw what peter N. ( S/V Silverheels) did with his anchors, and that makes > more sense to me than fabrication in the laz? Also weight stern? > > Thanks for enduring me, > TVH > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 5:34 PM Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > One of the reasons that I made the anchor holder in the Laz was to avoid > > the anchor or chain from sliding to port and shorting out the terminal > > block mounted on the hull lifting tube. This block is associated with > the > > electric lift system, so if you have a power lift system you might have > the > > same problem. With the fuel line passing quite near the terminals, there > > is a potential for an insurance claim (grin). Attached is a PDF with a > > short explanation and some pictures illustrating the project. Hope this > > helps someone avoid fireworks in the laz. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Making a Protective Cover for the Motor Lift Terminal Block in the > > Laz.pdf > > Type: application/pdf > > Size: 316641 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200921/5c427e00/attachment.pdf > > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Sep 21 19:23:31 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 19:23:31 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Project Part Duex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: No, great observations. I usually have 3 anchors on my Rhodes, as I cruise them extensively. The danforth is usually the 3rd anchor. I also deploy a stern anchor as I approach a beach to "beach the boat", again the laz is a good place for that use. I too carry one or two anchors up forward. The boat I currently have seems to be bow heavy, perhaps because of the location of the 2nd battery under the flip up just aft of the focstle. I have some work still to do with this new Rhodes to get it balanced. There may be others out there who wish to have the option of a stern anchor and the danforth is just right for that. Peter is indeed a craftsman and we can all learn so much from him too. It boils down to having options that fit a particular boat and owner at a particular time. Always ask lots of questions, its how we all learn, from others mistakes often enough, rather than our own. Of course we are impelled to share our mistakes too. Behind every good story is a bad decision. Chris G Enosis On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 6:40 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > Sorry, I am dense at times, > Why use the laz for this when you deploy anchor from the bow? Do not all > r22 have a drawer in the vberth? > > I saw what peter N. ( S/V Silverheels) did with his anchors, and that makes > more sense to me than fabrication in the laz? Also weight stern? > > Thanks for enduring me, > TVH > > > On Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 5:34 PM Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > One of the reasons that I made the anchor holder in the Laz was to avoid > > the anchor or chain from sliding to port and shorting out the terminal > > block mounted on the hull lifting tube. This block is associated with > the > > electric lift system, so if you have a power lift system you might have > the > > same problem. With the fuel line passing quite near the terminals, there > > is a potential for an insurance claim (grin). Attached is a PDF with a > > short explanation and some pictures illustrating the project. Hope this > > helps someone avoid fireworks in the laz. > > > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis > > -------------- next part -------------- > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > Name: Making a Protective Cover for the Motor Lift Terminal Block in the > > Laz.pdf > > Type: application/pdf > > Size: 316641 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: < > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20200921/5c427e00/attachment.pdf > > > > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Mon Sep 21 21:15:17 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 21:15:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Project Part Duex In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3476A67F-689A-4B41-8847-50B69D7CAFAD@sunnybeeches.com> Now _there?s_ a saying that?s been true in my life? ?Peter > On Sep 21, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > ? Behind every good story is a bad decision. > > Chris G > Enosis > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon Sep 21 22:49:13 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Mon, 21 Sep 2020 22:49:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] replacing sail In-Reply-To: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <447bcd37-cb01-1054-b0e2-d92fbfa8afa4@atlanticbb.net> When we replaced ours a number of years ago, we took the mast off the boat and put it on saw horses. That made it simple to slide the inner tube with the sail attached. Best of luck with yours, Mary Lou ex R-22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara On 9/21/2020 5:03 PM, gramille wrote: > I will be switching out my main sail in Spring and am hoping to get advice > from the R22 Clan on anything I should do differently when dropping the > mast in a few weeks ( we are having frosts already in Vermont!). > If I just disconnect the usual two shrouds will I be able to get into the > mast to replace the sail? Or do I need to to disconnect all the shrouds and > take the mast off the boat? > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: mainsail installation 2010 006sm.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 38493 bytes Desc: not available URL: From snstaum at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 06:20:06 2020 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 06:20:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] replacing sail In-Reply-To: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: When I replaced my mainsail it was easy to slide the assembly out of the mast with it still on the boat. If you have a willing crew to lift the mast you can remove it but I always like the keep the upper and 2 lower shrouds attached as well as the aft stays - less to do when it is time to raise the mast. I have done it on the boat a couple of times and it is not a problem. *Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Carol Lee 2* *Needham, MA* On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 5:03 PM gramille wrote: > I will be switching out my main sail in Spring and am hoping to get advice > from the R22 Clan on anything I should do differently when dropping the > mast in a few weeks ( we are having frosts already in Vermont!). > If I just disconnect the usual two shrouds will I be able to get into the > mast to replace the sail? Or do I need to to disconnect all the shrouds and > take the mast off the boat? > Graham > s/v 00Sailin > > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From rlowe at vt.edu Tue Sep 22 09:17:11 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 13:17:11 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] replacing sail In-Reply-To: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Graham, I left my mast on the boat when I replace my IMF main. I did have the boat on the trailer and off the water when I did so. You'll need some room to maneuver. A second person to assist would be helpful as the IMF assembly is kind of long and is awkward to handle by yourself. - rob ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of gramille Sent: Monday, September 21, 2020 5:03 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] replacing sail I will be switching out my main sail in Spring and am hoping to get advice from the R22 Clan on anything I should do differently when dropping the mast in a few weeks ( we are having frosts already in Vermont!). If I just disconnect the usual two shrouds will I be able to get into the mast to replace the sail? Or do I need to to disconnect all the shrouds and take the mast off the boat? Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 22 11:11:20 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 11:11:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Laz Project Part Duex In-Reply-To: <3476A67F-689A-4B41-8847-50B69D7CAFAD@sunnybeeches.com> References: <3476A67F-689A-4B41-8847-50B69D7CAFAD@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Aint it the truth, Peter! Chris G On Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 9:16 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > Now _there?s_ a saying that?s been true in my life? > > ?Peter > > > On Sep 21, 2020, at 7:23 PM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > ? Behind every good story is a bad decision. > > > > Chris G > > Enosis > > > > From gramille at tds.net Tue Sep 22 11:15:49 2020 From: gramille at tds.net (gramille) Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 08:15:49 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] replacing sail In-Reply-To: References: <1600722193169-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1600787749229-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Thanks everybody. I think I will attempt the job with the mast still on the boat and only disconnect if I have problems! Cheers Graham s/v 00Sailin -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com Fri Sep 25 10:40:35 2020 From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 14:40:35 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Proposed Summer 2021 Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Message-ID: Hi All, The attached files show the proposed float plan for our summer 2021 High Adventure Kayak/Sailing Trip to the Apostle Islands. The overview slide shows we plan to basecamp and launch from the Little Sand Bay Visitor Center. [cid:image009.png at 01D69328.46BD8A10] Weather permitting, we will do a day trip paddle to the Squaw Bay sea caves. [cid:image010.png at 01D69328.46BD8A10] Then, we will sail out to Sand Island and camp there. We will hike to the lighthouse and paddle to the Justice Bay sea caves. [cid:image011.png at 01D69328.46BD8A10] Then, we will sail to Devil?s Island, the northern most island in the archipelago. Devil?s Island has a dock, a lighthouse, sea caves and a sea arch. [cid:image012.png at 01D69328.46BD8A10] Then, we will sail to Stockton Island, tour the visitor center, and camp. >From Stockton Island, we will sail back to the Little Sand Bay Visitor Center to close the loop. [cid:image013.png at 01D69328.46BD8A10] I have a homemade kayak towing harness to tow our 4 sea kayaks behind S/V Dynamic Equilibrium. Assuming Lake Superior cooperates, it should be a good trip. 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Just saying! ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Fri Sep 25 14:55:59 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 11:55:59 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] JIB Furling Line In-Reply-To: <1601058320946-39389.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1601058320946-39389.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1601060159133-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Michael, The CDI manual calls for 5/32" or 3/16 braid on braid dacron line. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Sep 25 16:08:33 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 16:08:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] JIB Furling Line In-Reply-To: <1601058320946-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1601058320946-39389.post@n5.nabble.com> <24056061.1248915565812.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1601058320946-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Joe, I pulled my jib furling line off the boat a few days ago and measured it in preparation for ordering a new one in the spring. Mine was 28? long. That?s for a CDI furler. This is 1/4? line put on by GBI as part of the 2016 recycle. I?ve always had a hard time getting enough line onto the spool to allow the genoa to unfurl completely. I thought that when I went from a 175% genoa to a 135%, the situation would improve, but for some reason it hasn?t. I only recently noticed that the CDI manual actually calls for smaller diameter line, so that?s the way I?ll be going when I order a replacement. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 25, 2020, at 2:25 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > If anyone actually knows the length, it would save a 150 mile trip to the > boat to measure! It would seem that 40 feet would be plenty, then again, > one would think that this simple measurement data would be readily available > on this site. Just saying! > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Fri Sep 25 18:43:32 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 17:43:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: That'll do pig.... That'll do... Octopian keel guide bunk repair. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, 5th try, what's the attachment limit here? Lol Previously we had retrieved her with the trailer too deep and tried to bring her out with the keel shoulder on the port guide bunk. We busted the bunk and the aft bunk mounting tab/post. I ground the damage off, throwing sparks away from the hull. We cut a piece of stock and welded her in. As it's only... A guide piece, not holding any weight. We chose to cold galvanize the repair. Apologies for the piss poor sentence structure there. A new board, old carpet, and 50 staples later.... 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Name: IMG_20200917_133054.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3074006 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sat Sep 26 14:08:30 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 11:08:30 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Proposed Summer 2021 Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1601143710664-0.post@n5.nabble.com> That looks like a great combination of boating. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From matt at mattmail.net Sat Sep 26 16:52:21 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:52:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 Message-ID: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> Hi, all, I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's the first: Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a jibe. Thanks, --Matt From njcassie at optonline.net Sat Sep 26 17:03:29 2020 From: njcassie at optonline.net (Nancy) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 17:03:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> Message-ID: We just bought a rhodes this year and have had the same problem. I find the mainsail to be not very effective on its own and the Genoa gets caught on everything like you said. I?m considering looking for a smaller headsail. Jim Cunningham Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > ?Hi, all, > > I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's the first: > > Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > > I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > > Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a jibe. > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > From rweiss at siu.edu Sat Sep 26 17:11:41 2020 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 21:11:41 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net>, Message-ID: That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then release it so it comes across faster. Robert L. Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Nancy Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 4:03:29 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. We just bought a rhodes this year and have had the same problem. I find the mainsail to be not very effective on its own and the Genoa gets caught on everything like you said. I?m considering looking for a smaller headsail. Jim Cunningham Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > ?Hi, all, > > I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's the first: > > Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > > I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > > Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a jibe. > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > From matt at mattmail.net Sat Sep 26 17:13:46 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 17:13:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> Message-ID: <35637D60-F7B1-41C8-8B9D-FC23FD976D71@mattmail.net> Thanks for the quick responses. Is this a design flaw? If so, it seems like a pretty serious one. Thanks, --Matt > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Weiss, Robert L wrote: > > That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then release it so it comes across faster. > > Robert L. Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Nancy > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 4:03:29 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. > > We just bought a rhodes this year and have had the same problem. I find the mainsail to be not very effective on its own and the Genoa gets caught on everything like you said. I?m considering looking for a smaller headsail. > Jim Cunningham > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Matt Berman wrote: >> >> ?Hi, all, >> >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's the first: >> >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >> >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >> >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a jibe. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 26 17:28:26 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:28:26 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <35637D60-F7B1-41C8-8B9D-FC23FD976D71@mattmail.net> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <35637D60-F7B1-41C8-8B9D-FC23FD976D71@mattmail.net> Message-ID: I think Robert has it, it took me 3 sails to get the flick down. I have also furled, tacked, and then unfurled. But basically letting it fill up and pulling when the clew is high works. Ymmv of course. The biggest snag item is on the aft life rail lifeline eye, and the front cabin stay. On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:13 PM Matt Berman wrote: > Thanks for the quick responses. Is this a design flaw? If so, it seems > like a pretty serious one. > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Weiss, Robert L wrote: > > > > That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then > release it so it comes across faster. > > > > Robert L. Weiss Jr. > > Director of Music > > First United Methodist Carbondale IL > > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > > ________________________________ > > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of > Nancy > > Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 4:03:29 PM > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 > > > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or > attachments. > > > > We just bought a rhodes this year and have had the same problem. I find > the mainsail to be not very effective on its own and the Genoa gets caught > on everything like you said. I?m considering looking for a smaller > headsail. > > Jim Cunningham > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > >> > >> ?Hi, all, > >> > >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 > this week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a > number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's > the first: > >> > >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could > find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary > clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and > release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > >> > >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that > the sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on > it (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and > sawing both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > >> > >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa > to move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even > try a jibe. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> --Matt > >> > >> > >> > > > > From matt at mattmail.net Sat Sep 26 17:36:11 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 17:36:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <35637D60-F7B1-41C8-8B9D-FC23FD976D71@mattmail.net> Message-ID: <7675F347-13DB-4B96-8A5E-1321E1AB50A2@mattmail.net> I'll give backfilling a try next time. I'm also seeing older posts now that talk about partially furling before each tack, which seems like a pain, and also adding adding a tricing line and/or shroud and turnbuckle covers to make them more slippy. There was also some argument about the relative virtues/disadvantages of cow hitch vs. clove hitch where the sheets attach to the genoa. I guess this has been an ongoing problem. Some posts even suggest that the 170 genoa is a mistake for the Rhodes, which I really hope is wrong. Thanks, --Matt > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > I think Robert has it, it took me 3 sails to get the flick down. > > I have also furled, tacked, and then unfurled. > But basically letting it fill up and pulling when the clew is high works. > Ymmv of course. > The biggest snag item is on the aft life rail lifeline eye, and the front > cabin stay. > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:13 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >> Thanks for the quick responses. Is this a design flaw? If so, it seems >> like a pretty serious one. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Weiss, Robert L wrote: >>> >>> That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then >> release it so it comes across faster. >>> >>> Robert L. Weiss Jr. >>> Director of Music >>> First United Methodist Carbondale IL >>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC >>> ________________________________ From rweiss at siu.edu Sat Sep 26 17:42:04 2020 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 21:42:04 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <7675F347-13DB-4B96-8A5E-1321E1AB50A2@mattmail.net> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <35637D60-F7B1-41C8-8B9D-FC23FD976D71@mattmail.net> , <7675F347-13DB-4B96-8A5E-1321E1AB50A2@mattmail.net> Message-ID: I like the 170. Don?t frequently use the whole thing but since I sail on an inland lake I like having options for sail size. Not really a design flaw, just something you have to work around. I think sailers on the coasts don?t need a 170 and are happy with the 130. Robert L. Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Matt Berman Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2020 4:36:11 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. I'll give backfilling a try next time. I'm also seeing older posts now that talk about partially furling before each tack, which seems like a pain, and also adding adding a tricing line and/or shroud and turnbuckle covers to make them more slippy. There was also some argument about the relative virtues/disadvantages of cow hitch vs. clove hitch where the sheets attach to the genoa. I guess this has been an ongoing problem. Some posts even suggest that the 170 genoa is a mistake for the Rhodes, which I really hope is wrong. Thanks, --Matt > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > I think Robert has it, it took me 3 sails to get the flick down. > > I have also furled, tacked, and then unfurled. > But basically letting it fill up and pulling when the clew is high works. > Ymmv of course. > The biggest snag item is on the aft life rail lifeline eye, and the front > cabin stay. > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:13 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >> Thanks for the quick responses. Is this a design flaw? If so, it seems >> like a pretty serious one. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Weiss, Robert L wrote: >>> >>> That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then >> release it so it comes across faster. >>> >>> Robert L. Weiss Jr. >>> Director of Music >>> First United Methodist Carbondale IL >>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC >>> ________________________________ From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Sep 26 17:45:17 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 17:45:17 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> Message-ID: Matt, Welcome to the Rhodes 22 family. I used to have a 175% genoa, and had this problem to some extent. You mention stanchions and lifelines. My boat doesn?t have these, and I think I?m on safe ground saying that most Rhodes 22?s don?t. You could consider getting rid of them. As to shrouds, putting a length of PVC pipe over the turnbuckles and a couple of feet of wire will reduce the likelihood of a hang-up there. Also, the ?proper? way to rig the jib sheets is to use a single line for both port and starboard, attached to the genoa clew with a ?larks head? or ?cow hitch? knot. This season I switched from the 175% genoa to a 135%. I did this for other reasons, but it does seem that the smaller headsail is much less likely to get hung up when tacking. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > Hi, all, > > I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's the first: > > Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > > I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > > Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a jibe. > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > From matt at mattmail.net Sat Sep 26 17:59:46 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 17:59:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> Message-ID: I found this interesting piece in the Archives from 2004. I don't have the captain's chairs, alas, it's a 1986, but otherwise seems worth a try: The Rhodes 22 is a completely unique boat with a set of features not available on any other boat. If these features are right for you, you will be thrilled with the boat. Because the boat is truly unique, many of the "tips" "pointers" "warnings" and "rules" you may have read elsewhere simply don't apply. There is no trick to coming about with the 175 on a Rhodes -22. Most people simply release it too early. You are sitting in the captain's seat on the high side of the boat. (Get the captain's seats.) On the previous tack you have led the jib sheet around the winch on the low side, where the jib is deployed, and then once around the winch on the high side, and then into the clam cleat. The line goes straight across the cockpit. Let us say you are sitting on the port side, in your captain's seat. You have the hiking stick for your tiller in your right hand. You have a drink in your left hand. Your left arm is on the padding on the stern rail which functions like the arm of an extremely comfortable arm chair. Your feet are splayed out on top of the cockpit seats. Music is playing on your stereo. For some reason you decide to tack. Push the tiller toward the sail. Now you must make a momentous decision. Will you switch captain's seats after you tack? If so, you should place your drink in the cup holder on the starboard stern rail--which will force you to get out of your captain's seat on the port side. If not, you may remain seated while you place your drink in the cup holder on the port stern rail. Failure to anticipate this question can leave you in a captain's seat with your drink on the other side of the boat! This is the trickiest part of the maneuver. At some point you will notice that the boom has moved from the starboard side to the port side of the boat. It moved gently across, and did not hit your head. There was no drama. There was no pandemonium. You will also notice that the huge belly of the 175 jib, still firmly cleated, has sagged across the boat, and you can see it is helping to pull the bow about, even before the boom switches sides. If you sheeted the jib too tightly around the shrouds, the 175 won't help you come about. Slowly loosen the sheet (remember it is cleated right below your drinking hand, and you may have to put your drink down--see above for caution.) Wait for the boat to come about. Please note, you do not fully release the jib until after the boat has come about. The boat is now sailing with the main full, and the jib fighting to deploy fully on the other side of the boat. Slowly release the jib on what is now the high side, and pull in the line on what is now the low side. If you decided to stay in your original captain's chair, you are still sitting in it, with all of the lines and controls within reach for this and every subsequent tack. If not, you must wrap the jib sheet around the winch on what is now the low side, and feed it to the winch and cleat on what will be the high side where you will be sitting. In either case, both jib lines are in your hands. You release one in a controlled manner, and pull the other. The jib does not drag across the foredeck, and it does not hang up on the shrouds. (I don't have rollers or covers on any shrouds.) It behaves more like a kite over which you have complete control, as it floats over the foredeck from one side to the other. After you've done this a few times, it starts to look like everything is happening at once. But it isn't. Never release the jib until after the boom has gone across and the main is full, and you will never miss a tack. Don't let the jib sheet go all at once or you will not be able to pull in the jib sheet on the other side quickly enough, and it will get wet. If this fails to work, there are only 2 possible reasons: either there is too little or too much wind. But not to worry. Nothing is lost. Pull the hiking stick toward you, and away from the sails. Release the jib sheet, and furl the jib! (Maintain tension on the jib line so the line wraps around the roller furler drum properly.) Pull in the main sheet as far as it will go. Gibe! (or Gybe! or Jibe! or Jybe!--I'm never sure which one it is.) This always works, and will always enable you to come about. The boat is strongly built, and this will not hurt either the rigging or the sails. The boom will travel a short distance from one side to the other with a loud "pop". Release the sheet on the main, and redeploy both the main and the jib on the correct side. The 175 should never, ever become fouled on the foredeck or on the shrouds. If it does, chalk it up to operator error. A lot of words, but a simple procedure that always works. Always remember Stan's words: "This is a sailboat. Let the wind do the work" Bill Effros Thanks, --Matt > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Matt, > > Welcome to the Rhodes 22 family. > > I used to have a 175% genoa, and had this problem to some extent. > > You mention stanchions and lifelines. My boat doesn?t have these, and I think I?m on safe ground saying that most Rhodes 22?s don?t. You could consider getting rid of them. > > As to shrouds, putting a length of PVC pipe over the turnbuckles and a couple of feet of wire will reduce the likelihood of a hang-up there. > > Also, the ?proper? way to rig the jib sheets is to use a single line for both port and starboard, attached to the genoa clew with a ?larks head? or ?cow hitch? knot. > > This season I switched from the 175% genoa to a 135%. I did this for other reasons, but it does seem that the smaller headsail is much less likely to get hung up when tacking. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Hi, all, >> >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's the first: >> >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >> >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >> >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a jibe. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> > From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 18:01:33 2020 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 15:01:33 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> Message-ID: Hi Matt: You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center shrouds. Cheers, Shawn s/v Sweet Baboo On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: > Hi, all, > > I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this > week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a > number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's > the first: > > Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could > find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary > clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and > release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > > I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the > sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it > (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing > both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > > Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to > move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a > jibe. > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > > From matt at mattmail.net Sat Sep 26 18:13:54 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 18:13:54 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> Message-ID: <4FBA6D8D-7272-4854-8704-F0AE8A597F26@mattmail.net> Roller tubes? Do you mean pvc pipe, or are you talking about something purpose-made? Thanks, --Matt > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > Hi Matt: > > You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go > by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come > across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > shrouds. > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >> Hi, all, >> >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >> the first: >> >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >> >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >> >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >> jibe. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> > From matt at mattmail.net Sat Sep 26 18:16:08 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 18:16:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 Message-ID: So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has a LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have sailed. My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it may be because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the cabin, but, even so ... Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while sailing the Rhodes? Thanks, --Matt From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 26 18:39:44 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 17:39:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> Message-ID: Thanks bill, thanks Matt. I see a lot of solace in the post you posted. We'll try to keep it in mind. And I'll need to get some cupholders it seems. It is the only time I have heard of condoning an r22 gybe however. Most all other posts say never, as does the manual. Cheers all, On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:59 PM Matt Berman wrote: > I found this interesting piece in the Archives from 2004. I don't have the > captain's chairs, alas, it's a 1986, but otherwise seems worth a try: > > The Rhodes 22 is a completely unique boat with a set of features not > available on any other boat. If these features are right for you, you will > be thrilled with the boat. Because the boat is truly unique, many of the > "tips" "pointers" "warnings" and "rules" you may have read elsewhere simply > don't apply. > > There is no trick to coming about with the 175 on a Rhodes -22. Most > people simply release it too early. > > You are sitting in the captain's seat on the high side of the boat. (Get > the captain's seats.) > > On the previous tack you have led the jib sheet around the winch on the > low side, where the jib is deployed, and then once around the winch on the > high side, and then into the clam cleat. The line goes straight across the > cockpit. > > Let us say you are sitting on the port side, in your captain's seat. You > have the hiking stick for your tiller in your right hand. You have a drink > in your left hand. Your left arm is on the padding on the stern rail which > functions like the arm of an extremely comfortable arm chair. Your feet > are splayed out on top of the cockpit seats. Music is playing on your > stereo. For some reason you decide to tack. > > Push the tiller toward the sail. > > Now you must make a momentous decision. Will you switch captain's seats > after you tack? If so, you should place your drink in the cup holder on > the starboard stern rail--which will force you to get out of your captain's > seat on the port side. If not, you may remain seated while you place your > drink in the cup holder on the port stern rail. Failure to anticipate this > question can leave you in a captain's seat with your drink on the other > side of the boat! This is the trickiest part of the maneuver. > > At some point you will notice that the boom has moved from the starboard > side to the port side of the boat. It moved gently across, and did not hit > your head. There was no drama. There was no pandemonium. > > You will also notice that the huge belly of the 175 jib, still firmly > cleated, has sagged across the boat, and you can see it is helping to pull > the bow about, even before the boom switches sides. > > If you sheeted the jib too tightly around the shrouds, the 175 won't help > you come about. Slowly loosen the sheet (remember it is cleated right > below your drinking hand, and you may have to put your drink down--see > above for caution.) Wait for the boat to come about. > > Please note, you do not fully release the jib until after the boat has > come about. The boat is now sailing with the main full, and the jib > fighting to deploy fully on the other side of the boat. Slowly release the > jib on what is now the high side, and pull in the line on what is now the > low side. If you decided to stay in your original captain's chair, you are > still sitting in it, with all of the lines and controls within reach for > this and every subsequent tack. If not, you must wrap the jib sheet around > the winch on what is now the low side, and feed it to the winch and cleat > on what will be the high side where you will be sitting. > > In either case, both jib lines are in your hands. You release one in a > controlled manner, and pull the other. The jib does not drag across the > foredeck, and it does not hang up on the shrouds. (I don't have rollers or > covers on any shrouds.) It behaves more like a kite over which you have > complete control, as it floats over the foredeck from one side to the other. > > After you've done this a few times, it starts to look like everything is > happening at once. But it isn't. Never release the jib until after the > boom has gone across and the main is full, and you will never miss a tack. > Don't let the jib sheet go all at once or you will not be able to pull in > the jib sheet on the other side quickly enough, and it will get wet. > > If this fails to work, there are only 2 possible reasons: either there is > too little or too much wind. But not to worry. Nothing is lost. Pull the > hiking stick toward you, and away from the sails. Release the jib sheet, > and furl the jib! (Maintain tension on the jib line so the line wraps > around the roller furler drum properly.) Pull in the main sheet as far as > it will go. Gibe! (or Gybe! or Jibe! or Jybe!--I'm never sure which one it > is.) > > This always works, and will always enable you to come about. The boat is > strongly built, and this will not hurt either the rigging or the sails. > The boom will travel a short distance from one side to the other with a > loud "pop". Release the sheet on the main, and redeploy both the main and > the jib on the correct side. > > The 175 should never, ever become fouled on the foredeck or on the > shrouds. If it does, chalk it up to operator error. > > A lot of words, but a simple procedure that always works. > > Always remember Stan's words: "This is a sailboat. Let the wind do the > work" > > Bill Effros > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > > Matt, > > > > Welcome to the Rhodes 22 family. > > > > I used to have a 175% genoa, and had this problem to some extent. > > > > You mention stanchions and lifelines. My boat doesn?t have these, and I > think I?m on safe ground saying that most Rhodes 22?s don?t. You could > consider getting rid of them. > > > > As to shrouds, putting a length of PVC pipe over the turnbuckles and a > couple of feet of wire will reduce the likelihood of a hang-up there. > > > > Also, the ?proper? way to rig the jib sheets is to use a single line for > both port and starboard, attached to the genoa clew with a ?larks head? or > ?cow hitch? knot. > > > > This season I switched from the 175% genoa to a 135%. I did this for > other reasons, but it does seem that the smaller headsail is much less > likely to get hung up when tacking. > > > > Peter Nyberg > > Coventry, CT > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 4:52 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > >> > >> Hi, all, > >> > >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 > this week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a > number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's > the first: > >> > >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could > find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary > clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and > release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > >> > >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that > the sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on > it (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and > sawing both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > >> > >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa > to move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even > try a jibe. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> --Matt > >> > >> > >> > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 26 18:41:44 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 17:41:44 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This is my first sailboat in 25 years. On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has a > LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have sailed. > My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly > sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it may be > because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the > cabin, but, even so ... > > Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while sailing > the Rhodes? > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > > From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Sat Sep 26 19:07:42 2020 From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 16:07:42 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <4FBA6D8D-7272-4854-8704-F0AE8A597F26@mattmail.net> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <4FBA6D8D-7272-4854-8704-F0AE8A597F26@mattmail.net> Message-ID: Sorry, I should just have said PVC. -smb On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 3:14 PM Matt Berman wrote: > Roller tubes? Do you mean pvc pipe, or are you talking about something > purpose-made? > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles > wrote: > > > > Hi Matt: > > > > You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > > sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to > go > > by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come > > across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > > couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > > shrouds. > > > > Cheers, > > Shawn > > s/v Sweet Baboo > > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: > > > >> Hi, all, > >> > >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 > this > >> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a > >> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. > Here's > >> the first: > >> > >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could > >> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary > >> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and > >> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > >> > >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that > the > >> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on > it > >> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and > sawing > >> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > >> > >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to > >> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even > try a > >> jibe. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> --Matt > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 26 20:30:57 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 19:30:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Proposed Summer 2021 Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rodger, excellent planning! We just signed for our place in Milwaukee for next year , maybe we can join. On Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 9:40 AM ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > Hi All, > > The attached files show the proposed float plan for our summer 2021 High > Adventure Kayak/Sailing Trip to the Apostle Islands. The overview slide > shows we plan to basecamp and launch from the Little Sand Bay Visitor > Center. > [cid:image009.png at 01D69328.46BD8A10] > Weather permitting, we will do a day trip paddle to the Squaw Bay sea > caves. > [cid:image010.png at 01D69328.46BD8A10] > Then, we will sail out to Sand Island and camp there. We will hike to the > lighthouse and paddle to the Justice Bay sea caves. > [cid:image011.png at 01D69328.46BD8A10] > Then, we will sail to Devil?s Island, the northern most island in the > archipelago. Devil?s Island has a dock, a lighthouse, sea caves and a sea > arch. > [cid:image012.png at 01D69328.46BD8A10] > Then, we will sail to Stockton Island, tour the visitor center, and camp. > From Stockton Island, we will sail back to the Little Sand Bay Visitor > Center to close the loop. > [cid:image013.png at 01D69328.46BD8A10] > I have a homemade kayak towing harness to tow our 4 sea kayaks behind S/V > Dynamic Equilibrium. 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The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats? Thanks, --Matt s/v Pantalaimon > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: > > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. > > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This is > my first sailboat in 25 years. > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has a >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have sailed. >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it may be >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the >> cabin, but, even so ... >> >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while sailing >> the Rhodes? >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sat Sep 26 21:04:47 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 20:04:47 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Matt. There are some storage just below the winches for the jib sheets. The furling line is looped up on starboard bench. Traveller sheet does spool on the laz, but no one can sit there with the tiller... And we have the captain. Seats. Only when I heel do I touch the traveller. Else all is well, and easy. #1 rule I have found with my R22 is that if it is hard; I am doing something wrong. And we always have a moment where we realize what's up and then things are very easy again. Hth, Tom On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 7:47 PM Matt Berman wrote: > Where do you stow them? The only storage on my '86 cockpit is the > lazerette. Or do you just stick them under the seats? > > Thanks, > > --Matt > s/v Pantalaimon > > > > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:41 PM, Tom Van Heule < > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote: > > > > Peter has done some rigging work. Silverheels on youtube. > > > > I just made habit of preparing and stowing lines after each tack. This > is > > my first sailboat in 25 years. > > > > On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 5:16 PM Matt Berman wrote: > > > >> So, here's the second issue I ran into on my first sail. The Rhodes has > a > >> LOT more rope in the cockpit than I remember on other boats I have > sailed. > >> My last boat, an S2, was awhile ago, but I don't remember constantly > >> sitting/standing on the lines or getting them tangled up. Part of it > may be > >> because, without the captain's chairs, I have to stand to see over the > >> cabin, but, even so ... > >> > >> Do any of you have a line-management system that works well while > sailing > >> the Rhodes? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> --Matt > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > From stan at generalboats.com Sun Sep 27 07:45:10 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 07:45:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> Message-ID: <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2@generalboats.com> Matt, We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners.? In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions:? I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. stan From sea20 at verizon.net Sun Sep 27 08:15:58 2020 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:15:58 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36@verizon.net> I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right Headsail for Your Sailboat. Scott A. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: > > ?Hi Matt: > > You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go > by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come > across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > shrouds. > > Cheers, > Shawn > s/v Sweet Baboo > >> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Hi, all, >> >> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >> the first: >> >> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >> >> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >> >> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >> jibe. >> >> Thanks, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >> From matt at mattmail.net Sun Sep 27 08:24:18 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:24:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2@generalboats.com> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE@mattmail.net> Dear Stan, I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. My sincere apologies, --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: > > > Matt, > > We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. > > The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. > > Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: > One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. > The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. > > Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. > The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. > > stan > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Sun Sep 27 08:25:03 2020 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:25:03 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <7675F347-13DB-4B96-8A5E-1321E1AB50A2@mattmail.net> References: <7675F347-13DB-4B96-8A5E-1321E1AB50A2@mattmail.net> Message-ID: <96C91C88-BC23-41FF-8ABB-87436F5EEE69@stottarchitecture.com> It?s not a design flaw, it?s a system you have to learn how to operate. I have shroud covers and turnbuckle covers on all the shrouds. The covers roll and help the big genny through the fore-triangle. I single-hand all the time and usually get the job to tack without complaints. My first few seasons with the Rhodes brought me to the conclusion that a 130% jib would be the answer - - - But - that big genny is often all the sail needed and since I have a continental rig, if I?m not sailing to weather, I can just roll out the Genoa. I have also found that unlike using both dials, the Rhodes will not be overpowered and on its ear with only one of the two sails up, even in winds up to 20 kts. My ideal would be a new CDI furler that would allow for sail changes, then choose a 130, the big guy or a Code Zero - according to wind conditions and sail plan. Ric sv Dadventure Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:36 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > ?I'll give backfilling a try next time. > > I'm also seeing older posts now that talk about partially furling before each tack, which seems like a pain, and also adding adding a tricing line and/or shroud and turnbuckle covers to make them more slippy. There was also some argument about the relative virtues/disadvantages of cow hitch vs. clove hitch where the sheets attach to the genoa. I guess this has been an ongoing problem. Some posts even suggest that the 170 genoa is a mistake for the Rhodes, which I really hope is wrong. > > Thanks, > > --Matt > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:28 PM, Tom Van Heule wrote: >> >> I think Robert has it, it took me 3 sails to get the flick down. >> >> I have also furled, tacked, and then unfurled. >> But basically letting it fill up and pulling when the clew is high works. >> Ymmv of course. >> The biggest snag item is on the aft life rail lifeline eye, and the front >> cabin stay. >> >>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 4:13 PM Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for the quick responses. Is this a design flaw? If so, it seems >>> like a pretty serious one. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2020, at 5:11 PM, Weiss, Robert L wrote: >>>> >>>> That?s a common problem with the 170. Try back filling the Jenny then >>> release it so it comes across faster. >>>> >>>> Robert L. Weiss Jr. >>>> Director of Music >>>> First United Methodist Carbondale IL >>>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC >>>> ________________________________ > From sea20 at verizon.net Sun Sep 27 08:26:48 2020 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 08:26:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36@verizon.net> References: <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36@verizon.net> Message-ID: <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A@verizon.net> Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: > > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right Headsail for Your Sailboat. > Scott A. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles wrote: >> >> ?Hi Matt: >> >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to go >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it come >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center >> shrouds. >> >> Cheers, >> Shawn >> s/v Sweet Baboo >> >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Hi, all, >>> >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 this >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. Here's >>> the first: >>> >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. >>> >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that the >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing on it >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and sawing >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. >>> >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa to >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even try a >>> jibe. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>> From mitchpadl at gmail.com Sun Sep 27 09:49:55 2020 From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 09:49:55 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A@verizon.net> References: <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36@verizon.net> <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A@verizon.net> Message-ID: Ha, turns out I've been handling my drink all wrong during tacks! I would like to hear some more specifics of what people use for shroud and turnbuckle covers. Size pvc? Is there anything at the ends to keep it centered. Can they be purchased pre-made? Thanks! On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:26 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Thanks Matt for that archive note on tacking a Rhodes. It makes good sense > and is similar to the way we tack Flying Scots on the Delaware. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Scott Andrews wrote: > > > > ?I saw an interesting article in Sail magazine titled Choosing the Right > Headsail for Your Sailboat. > > Scott A. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 26, 2020, at 6:01 PM, Shawn Boles > wrote: > >> > >> ?Hi Matt: > >> > >> You will find there are a lot of ways to sail the Rhodes 22. When I am > >> sailing with the 175 full out, usually in light winds because I like to > go > >> by other folks who are standing still, I backwind the jib and let it > come > >> across when the time is right (you will find the release point after a > >> couple of times) . I also have roller tubes on the the fore and center > >> shrouds. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Shawn > >> s/v Sweet Baboo > >> > >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2020, 1:52 PM Matt Berman wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, all, > >>> > >>> I've been sailing for most of my life, but only just got a Rhodes 22 > this > >>> week. I went for my first sail today, light breeze, and encountered a > >>> number of things that are different from other boats I have sailed. > Here's > >>> the first: > >>> > >>> Every time I came about, the genoa (170) hung up on everything it could > >>> find -- stanchions, lifelines, shrouds. This was not a minor, momentary > >>> clip -- it stayed hung up until each time I had to crawl forward and > >>> release the genoa by hand, not fun when you're single-handing. > >>> > >>> I made sure the sheets were all on the outside of everything, and that > the > >>> sheet on the opposite side was loose and free, and I wasn't standing > on it > >>> (more about that in another post). I tried jiggling both sides, and > sawing > >>> both sheets back and forth to try to release it, but no go. > >>> > >>> Is there some trick or technique you use on a Rhodes to get the genoa > to > >>> move smoothly from one side to the other during a tack? I didn't even > try a > >>> jibe. > >>> > >>> Thanks, > >>> > >>> --Matt > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sun Sep 27 11:20:33 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 11:20:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE@mattmail.net> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2@generalboats.com> <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE@mattmail.net> Message-ID: <217A45F8-0D12-42E9-A76C-2FC4F0B8FBF3@sunnybeeches.com> Matt, No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. Out of curiosity, where do you sail? Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: > > Dear Stan, > > I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. > > I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. > > For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. > > My sincere apologies, > > --Matt > > > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >> >> >> Matt, >> >> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >> >> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >> >> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >> >> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >> >> stan >> > From matt at mattmail.net Sun Sep 27 12:11:35 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:11:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions In-Reply-To: <217A45F8-0D12-42E9-A76C-2FC4F0B8FBF3@sunnybeeches.com> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2@generalboats.com> <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE@mattmail.net> <217A45F8-0D12-42E9-A76C-2FC4F0B8FBF3@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome! --Matt s/v Pantalaimon > On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > Matt, > > No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. > > To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. > > So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. > > Out of curiosity, where do you sail? > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: >> >> Dear Stan, >> >> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. >> >> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. >> >> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. >> >> My sincere apologies, >> >> --Matt >> >> >> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >>> >>> >>> Matt, >>> >>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >>> >>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >>> >>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >>> >>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >>> >>> stan >>> >> > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Sun Sep 27 12:24:44 2020 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 12:24:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions In-Reply-To: References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2@generalboats.com> <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE@mattmail.net> <217A45F8-0D12-42E9-A76C-2FC4F0B8FBF3@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <38895D22-2DAF-493E-9BE5-F134F2A1584E@gmail.com> Hi, Matt, Let me add my welcome as a fellow North Carolinian (living in the Asheville area). I sail on Lake Keowee, SC. I think the archival advice on how to tack a Rhodes with the large headsail is exactly right. I just let it backfill to help bring the bow around before pulling in the leeward jib sheet. I do have the PVC-type shroud/turnbuckle roller tubes; I forgot to put them on the last time I raised the mast, but it works o.k. without them. (I don?t have lifelines on my boat.) Next time I take down the mast I?ll probably put them back on. Frank Frank Goldsmith Fairview, NC S/V ?Mary Bess? Lake Keowee, SC > On Sep 27, 2020, at 12:11 PM, Matt Berman wrote: > > I'm on Lake Norman in NC. Thanks for the welcome! > > > --Matt > s/v Pantalaimon > > >> On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> Matt, >> >> No one is authorized to speak for the List as a whole, but, however much you may have annoyed Stan, let me assure you that you have violated no List rules or norms of behavior. As such, you remain a member in good standing, are are free to submit questions to the List. >> >> To be clear, the List is totally independent from General Boats. It?s not a ?support forum? in the usual use of the term. It is merely a collection of people who own a Rhodes 22, used to own a Rhodes 22, or are thinking about buying a Rhodes 22. >> >> So, once again, as one member to another, I say welcome aboard. >> >> Out of curiosity, where do you sail? >> >> Peter Nyberg >> Coventry, CT >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) >> >>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 8:24 AM, Matt Berman wrote: >>> >>> Dear Stan, >>> >>> I am so sorry to have given you offense -- I can assure you that was not my intention. >>> >>> I think maybe I misunderstood how things work in Rhodes World. When the Gabriels sent me the link to this list and, based on my interactions with many other companies that make many other items that I have bought that have support forums for questions, I assumed that you wouldn't want hundreds of owners bothering you with questions and that the list was the support forum where I should post my questions. I didn't mean to bypass you, I thought that's how it was done. If that's not how you prefer it, I apologize, and will in future direct my questions to you privately. >>> >>> For the rest of your questions, I will take those to a private email to you. >>> >>> My sincere apologies, >>> >>> --Matt >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 27, 2020, at 7:45 AM, stan wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Matt, >>>> >>>> We were anxiously awaiting your take on the Certified category Rhodes recently delivered to you since we put so much more into your boat than is normally done for a purchase in this class. Not a peep. Instead we have been bypassed with 15 reports to the List numbered 1. and 2. so far, seemingly suggesting more to follow; neither with a word of satisfaction, only your annoying issues. >>>> >>>> The List is a treasure and the right place to go for private purchases of used Rhodes where we do not know the condition of the boat or alterations made, by prior owners. In contrast, a direct purchase from General Boats where we know that boat first hand and the List does not, GB becomes the more logical source for addressing initial questions. >>>> >>>> Mentioning two of GB's policies is appropriate here: >>>> One is that you made your purchase appreciating that you could take advantage of GB's two year window to turn the boat in for a recycled category Rhodes where the original boat's price is applied to the new recycled Rhodes. >>>> The other you may not be tuned into is our quip that if anyone purchasing a Rhodes from General Boast says anything negative about his or her boat, we take it away from them. The practical translation of this is that if you are not completely comfortable with your purchase we will return your deposit and take the boat back without prejudice. >>>> >>>> Not affecting any of the above, I have two curiosity questions: I thought we sent you 'Tips on Rigging and Sailing Your Rhodes 22', or am I mistaken. >>>> The other, weren't there any features that surprised and pleased you on this boat. >>>> >>>> stan >>>> >>> >> > From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sun Sep 27 16:39:14 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:39:14 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1601239154801-0.post@n5.nabble.com> What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair. The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I found myself not bothering to cross cleat. The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the side of the cabin. The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and looped over itself on the pushpit. Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss the extra sail area. Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off. Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sun Sep 27 17:12:32 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 16:12:32 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 In-Reply-To: <1601239154801-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1601239154801-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Sounds like you're the star of this video. Where are you? I might be down for chasing you with a camera. On Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 3:39 PM S/V Lark wrote: > What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. > > My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position > running > downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in > the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom > height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the > lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally > keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's > chair. > > The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross > cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long > I > tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I > found myself not bothering to cross cleat. > > The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the > side of the cabin. > > The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. > > The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. > > My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled > and > looped over itself on the pushpit. > > Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I > never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used > to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or > single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't > miss > the extra sail area. > > > Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) > wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to > the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess > outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a > starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will > pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the > starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl > the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall > off. > Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the > motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time > the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. > Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From matt at mattmail.net Sun Sep 27 18:17:20 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:17:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 In-Reply-To: <1601239154801-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1601239154801-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <27CB6387-4970-4AE0-8433-549135DC816C@mattmail.net> Thanks so much -- very helpful. And yes, a video would be great. --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 4:39 PM, S/V Lark wrote: > > What lines are you struggling. This is what works for me, mostly alone. > > My main sheet length is adequate with the boom in the upper position running > downwind. The excess is coiled and tied to the pushpit with the boom in > the lower position beating. I find myself adjusting if I adjust boom > height. Sufficient main to run leaves a few feet clumped over the > lazarette hatch beating, but not enough to feel dangerous. I generally > keep it laying on my knee for a quick release, while in the captain's chair. > > The lazy jib sheet is in the coaming compartment. The other is cross > cleated, and also extends to my knee or in my hand. If the tack is long I > tuck the excess in the coaming compartment. On long Lake Erie tacks I > found myself not bothering to cross cleat. > > The boom lift is cleated, coiled and tucked around itself hanging off the > side of the cabin. > > The jib furling line does the same thing on the opposite side. > > The outhaul and inhaul have cleats on the boom. > > My motor mount has the block and tackle system, that line is also coiled and > looped over itself on the pushpit. > > Regarding the jib post, I find a smaller jib is versatile and adequate. I > never tried the 170 but downsized from a custom jib (est 150%) the PO used > to Stan's 140% size when wear forced replacement. I tend to canoe or > single hand a 2 man dinghy when the wind is extremely light, so I don't miss > the extra sail area. > > > Convenience is one of this boat's superpowers. In good (10 knot steady) > wind you can drop the motor and start it on your final sailing approach to > the marina inlet. Uncleat the jib furling line. Disconnect excess > outhaul from the horn cleats and let it hang from the boom. If on a > starboard tack, do a penalty turn. Head up, let the backfilled jib will > pull the bow around smartly, tack as normal. As the main reaches the > starboard side upwind release the outhaul from the boom end cleat and furl > the main. The rudder remains hard over and the boat continues to fall off. > Use momentum and the jib to finish the circle. Furl the jib. Put the > motor in gear. The Rhodes can have everything neatly furled by the time > the turn is complete and never lose its place in line for a busy marina. > Somebody needs to video themselves from a chase boat for Stan's website. > > > > > ----- > Alex Cole > S/V Lark > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com Sun Sep 27 23:22:57 2020 From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:22:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36@verizon.net> <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1601263377512-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Welcome to the list Matt, I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. George Morgan S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From Colealexander at hotmail.com Sun Sep 27 23:54:37 2020 From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark) Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 20:54:37 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 2 In-Reply-To: References: <1601239154801-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1601265277790-0.post@n5.nabble.com> My home port is Clarence J Brown reservoir by Springfield, What I described is just a combination of everything you normally do. Planning ahead let?s you do it faster. I?m in the habit of sailing as close to the inlet as I could before a dying evening wind gets frustrating, to maximize sailboat time before going back to real life. Mistrust of my outboard encouraged me to start it up early ?just in case?. As I repeated in heavier winds I got faster, a way to catch up with guys busy flaking sails while I enjoyed a sunset lap. I realized how cool it was at the inlet of Sandusky Sailing Club. I wasn?t sure of my location. I slipped between a nice big Hunter and another boat, both motoring towards one of the multiple marinas, and sailed in line with them until I could read the little sign. A buoy marks a rock just downwind of the entrance. A Colgate with a student driver careened around in beginner agony where I might tack and furl. I wasn?t sure where he was going to go next, so I stayed in line and prepped the boat for a quick 360. I realized how fast it looks when I saw the Hunter, still a couple hundred yards behind me, start to twitch his bow just as I completed my turn and dropped the motor in gear. He didn?t realize what was happening until it was over. Watching the out of control Colgate likely made him a bit jumpy. Since the wind was great and upwind is brisk compared to downwind, I only lost a handful of boat lengths and remained well clear of other traffic. ----- Alex Cole S/V Lark -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From matt at mattmail.net Mon Sep 28 06:51:35 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 06:51:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <1601263377512-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36@verizon.net> <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A@verizon.net> <1601263377512-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Wow -- that looks amazing. Thanks for the welcome, info, and pics. --Matt > On Sep 27, 2020, at 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > > Welcome to the list Matt, > > I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been > out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big > genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then > that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. > > I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses > pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? > diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? > pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big > enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex > and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with > the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. > > The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some > slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I > used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I > used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. > > The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Sep 28 10:54:36 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 07:54:36 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] JIB Furling Line In-Reply-To: References: <1601058320946-39389.post@n5.nabble.com> <24056061.1248915565812.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1601058320946-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1601304876298-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, Sounds like what you say confirms the CDI needs 5/32" or 3/16". However, I read a good suggestion (I'll try to find the link and send it) to de-core a 1/4" or 3/16" line for the first ??# of feet to wrap on the drum will allow the remainder to coil up. This gives you a larger line for a better grip. I really do dislike the small furler lines. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Mon Sep 28 11:22:12 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:22:12 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> Message-ID: <1601306532478-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Matt, I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this helps. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From matt at mattmail.net Mon Sep 28 11:27:48 2020 From: matt at mattmail.net (Matt Berman) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:27:48 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <1601306532478-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <1601306532478-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <013E0C7E-2CB1-42F5-A449-89CE00BE0E64@mattmail.net> Thanks. I tried it yesterday, after adding pvc pipe over the shrouds, with backfilling the genoa until after going through the wind, and it seemed to work pretty well. I also only had the genoa unfurled to about 130 or so. Weather said the wind was 6 knots, but it seemed a bit lighter than that. Thanks, --Matt > On Sep 28, 2020, at 11:22 AM, Joe Dempsey wrote: > > Matt, > I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the > Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light > air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had > mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the > PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait > for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if > not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this > helps. > > > > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon Sep 28 11:28:52 2020 From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 11:28:52 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <1601263377512-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <1BBF0E60-3157-4246-A6FC-62D26A6C1C36@verizon.net> <4DAA917B-FFA7-4609-AD09-9B4A7F7CBA4A@verizon.net> <1601263377512-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <89157f14-66ac-82ec-5962-95fd1ca6ff63@atlanticbb.net> For any of you folks covering your shrouds or stays, remember to check frequently for corrosion as the covers can trap moisture. It's particularly an issue if the moisture you are trapping is salt water or damp salt air. When we had our boat, we used the vinyl turnbuckle covers but not the shroud covers for that reason. The turnbuckle covers were open at the bottom but we did have an issue with the sheet getting caught between the part of the turnbuckle that holds the clevis pin and the toe rail. A few wraps of rigging tape eliminated that and we did remove that at the end of the season. Mary Lou ex Rhodes 22 now Rosborough RF-246? Tara On 9/27/2020 11:22 PM, Gmorganflier wrote: > Welcome to the list Matt, > > I?m a very novice sailer and the Rhodes 22 is my first sailboat. I?ve been > out on her maybe 9 or 10 times. I have gotten better at getting the big > genny to switch sides if the winds are at least around 3-4 mph. Less then > that, I still have trouble unless I furl the sail in a bit. > > I?ve experimented with different shroud guards and my latest rendition uses > pvc...not schedule 40, but whatever the thinner version is. I use 1? > diameter for the outer tube, 3/4? for the inner tube, a 3/4? cap and 1/4? > pex up the shroud from there for maybe 5?. I drill a hole in the cap big > enough to get the 1/4 pex through. To thread the shroud through the 1/4? pex > and pvc cap you need to take the turnbuckle off so your only working with > the shroud wire and it?s threaded end. > > The 3/4? cap is almost the same diameter as the 1? pvc, but there is some > slop with the 3/4? pvc moving around inside the 1? pvc. The remedy this I > used 9 wraps of electrical tape to center the 3/4? inside the 1? and then I > used sail tape around the joint between the cap and the 1? pvc. > > The photo I?m attaching is a screen shot from a video I made this morning. > > George Morgan > S/V Knotty Lady 1986/2005 > > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From bferguson at jcu.edu Mon Sep 28 11:55:31 2020 From: bferguson at jcu.edu (NewIn76) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:55:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects Message-ID: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> All, The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet rigging on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina 22s? I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience. Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 12:58:53 2020 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 12:58:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects In-Reply-To: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hi Brian, Do you have the IMF? If so, it provides perfect adjustment of the mainsail along with an obstruction free cockpit and companionway. Regards, Rick Lange On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 11:55 AM NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > All, > The Rhodes 22 is the first boat I've owned with an end-boom traveler. What > makes this arrangement any better than either the triangle mainsheet > rigging > on a Com-Pac 23 or the smaller traveler system found on early Catalina > 22s? > I'm not arguing against Stan or GBI conventional wisdom, I'm just trying to > figure it out how the traveler adds to my experience. > > Why ask now? I have to rebuild my traveler system. > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From bferguson at jcu.edu Mon Sep 28 13:11:04 2020 From: bferguson at jcu.edu (NewIn76) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:11:04 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects In-Reply-To: References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get an idea of why I need a traveler. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From rlowe at vt.edu Mon Sep 28 13:30:23 2020 From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:30:23 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects In-Reply-To: <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Brain, Now that's an interesting set up. Can't say we've seen one like this before. I had a 76, let me see if I can find some pictures of the traveler. - rob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:11 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get an idea of why I need a traveler. ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 17:21:49 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:21:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects In-Reply-To: References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Hey Brian, My first Rhodes was a brand new '76. The setup was like that of the Compact 23. I've never seen a setup like the one you show. Having had the triangle setup ('76), an older version on a bar mounted a foot or between the stays (my '83 that sails in Greece) and the newer continuous line traveler on a bar also mounted between the back stays ('87 re-done in 2015) I can say that I totally prefer the newer version that Stan is now using. I can point several degrees higher by working the traveler to windward; ,and in light airs I can maintain proper sail shape and efficiency by making the appropriate adjustments on the traveler. By having the traveler suspended between the two backstays there is not the sudden abrupt transfer of force from a jibing main to the deck and transom fittings. Instead there is a distribution of the shock because of the nature of the twin backstays. Hopes this helps. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 1:30 PM Lowe, Rob wrote: > Brain, > Now that's an interesting set up. Can't say we've seen one like this > before. I had a 76, let me see if I can find some pictures of the > traveler. - rob > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 1:11 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects > > I have a pre-IMF main. My traveler is mounted to an interesting aluminum > bracket. I'm all for the unobstructed cockpit. I think I have a > Frankenstein setup and basically need to re-do it. I'm just trying to get > an idea of why I need a traveler. > > > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 17:52:43 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 14:52:43 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects In-Reply-To: References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1601329963061-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Chris & Gustavo of Voillier Yachts has an interesting R22 traveler based on Harken type blocks. The problem I have with the current "new" GB traveler is that it can't be "dumped" in a puff. I'm not sure if Voillier's can be - but it looks like it. When sailing to weather with my late J/30 in puffy conditions, I would play the traveler - not the main sheet. ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 19:09:06 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 16:09:06 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie questions In-Reply-To: References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <5cf98e26-ccfa-a4e0-9521-b44876e69ef2@generalboats.com> <9CA02EFB-1593-4B37-AECF-DCB442E997FE@mattmail.net> <217A45F8-0D12-42E9-A76C-2FC4F0B8FBF3@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: <1601334546569-0.post@n5.nabble.com> What Peter Nyberg said! ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Mon Sep 28 21:27:06 2020 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 21:27:06 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull In-Reply-To: References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> Listmates, do you have any tips on how to restore the shine to a faded hull? My once-beautiful blue hull with the red trim around the waterline is now pretty dull, and I want to have it again look as a Rhodes should look. A fellow at our sailing club suggested that I apply Penetrol, which apparently is a paint additive ? has anyone tried that? Thanks, Frank Frank Goldsmith S/V ?Mary Bess? Lake Keowee, SC From cjlowe at sssnet.com Mon Sep 28 22:16:15 2020 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 22:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull In-Reply-To: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <64247.24.140.30.102.1601345775.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> I've used the penetrol method for about 15 years. There is a reason this method is so easy. When I first tried it, it worked pretty good. Shined her up and lasted about three years. Then about two years for the next three applications. It's been every year for the last five years the shine start to chip off about August , this year. I hope to paint her next spring. My take is, try buffing,polyglow and waxing first. Once you start down the penetrol road, there is no easy way out except to paint. I should mention, my boat is white, so I don't know how well it will work on a colored hull. If you decide to go this route, scrub the hull with soft scrub first. I used a soft brush on a cheap buffer/scrubber. Any dirt, bugs and stains will become part of the hull. I used a micro fiber cloth to apply the penetrol. Put it on as thick as you can, without running. Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes '86 > Listmates, do you have any tips on how to restore the shine to a faded > hull? My once-beautiful blue hull with the red trim around the waterline > is now pretty dull, and I want to have it again look as a Rhodes should > look. A fellow at our sailing club suggested that I apply Penetrol, which > apparently is a paint additive ??? has anyone tried that? > > Thanks, > > Frank > > Frank Goldsmith > S/V ???Mary Bess??? > Lake Keowee, SC > > From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Mon Sep 28 22:20:59 2020 From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 21:20:59 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull In-Reply-To: <64247.24.140.30.102.1601345775.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> <64247.24.140.30.102.1601345775.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: I agree, but can't stress that you can't go back without stripping. I would try a detail and see where you end before sealing what you have. On Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 9:16 PM wrote: > > I've used the penetrol method for about 15 years. There is a reason this > method is so easy. When I first tried it, it worked pretty good. Shined > her up and lasted about three years. Then about two years for the next > three applications. It's been every year for the last five years the shine > start to chip off about August , this year. I hope to paint her next > spring. > My take is, try buffing,polyglow and waxing first. Once you start down the > penetrol road, there is no easy way out except to paint. > I should mention, my boat is white, so I don't know how well it will work > on a colored hull. If you decide to go this route, scrub the hull with > soft scrub first. I used a soft brush on a cheap buffer/scrubber. Any > dirt, bugs and stains will become part of the hull. I used a micro fiber > cloth to apply the penetrol. Put it on as thick as you can, without > running. > > Jerry Lowe S/V Country Rhodes '86 > > > > Listmates, do you have any tips on how to restore the shine to a faded > > hull? My once-beautiful blue hull with the red trim around the waterline > > is now pretty dull, and I want to have it again look as a Rhodes should > > look. A fellow at our sailing club suggested that I apply Penetrol, > which > > apparently is a paint additive ? has anyone tried that? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Frank > > > > Frank Goldsmith > > S/V ?Mary Bess? > > Lake Keowee, SC > > > > > > > From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Sep 29 00:26:07 2020 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael Weisner) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 00:26:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull In-Reply-To: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> Message-ID: Frank,I posted my results using elbow grease and some compounding. Check out?Restoring gelcoathttp://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-July/085213.htmlMike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY -------- Original message --------From: Frank Goldsmith Date: 9/28/20 9:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull Listmates, do you have any tips on how to restore the shine to a faded? hull?? My once-beautiful blue hull with the red trim around the waterline is now pretty dull, and I want to have it again look as a Rhodes should look.? A fellow at our sailing club suggested that I apply Penetrol, which apparently is a paint additive ? has anyone tried that?? Thanks,FrankFrank GoldsmithS/V ?Mary Bess?Lake Keowee, SC From mategotlowhook at yahoo.com Tue Sep 29 06:41:10 2020 From: mategotlowhook at yahoo.com (Theodore DeSantis) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 10:41:10 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <1601306532478-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <1601306532478-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <2007397269.1826552.1601376070689@mail.yahoo.com> I know this has nothing to do with your letter but I had a Rhodes 22 and I have the mast, Jib, a dutchman and home made mast raising set up all in good shape that I would give to any fellow sailor.?I live in South Jersey right by Cape May. If anyone is interested just shoot me a email at mategotlowhook at yahoo.com and my name is Ted. On Monday, September 28, 2020, 11:22:15 AM EDT, Joe Dempsey wrote: Matt, I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained the PVC. See photo attached.? One thing, especially in light air, try to wait for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over.? Hope this helps. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From bferguson at jcu.edu Tue Sep 29 08:39:35 2020 From: bferguson at jcu.edu (NewIn76) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 05:39:35 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects In-Reply-To: References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1601383175407-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Chris, Thanks. That's kind of what I was trying to understand regarding how it is used. Each of my boats has had a different configuration and I've disliked all for certain reasons. The one I came closest to liking was the mid-boom traveler, but the traveler ran right across the bridge deck and anyone leaning backward got a face full of mainsheet on a downwind run. I think between Stan, GBI, and pictures, I can reconfigure the setup. Brian ----- Brian 1976 Rhodes 22 Cleveland -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Sep 29 09:08:37 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 13:08:37 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull In-Reply-To: References: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com>, Message-ID: Hi Frank, Restoration depends on how faded your gel coat is. The first step is get the hull really clean. I like to use a pressure washer with a wide angle spray. Even so, be careful not to ?erase? things like the waterline stripe, boat name, W/C registration numbers, home port, etc. After the hull is clean, try using a polish wax product and see if you can rub out the faded gel coat in some small area. If that doesn?t work, you will have to go to rubbing compound. Start with the finest grit and go to coarser grits as necessary. When you finally find a suitable abrasive, you can go at the entire hull with a lot of elbow grease. You can expect to go thru an entire can of rubbing compound and the job will take many hours of hard labor. To save my shoulders, I like to use an orbital buffer. However, when using an orbital buffer, you must be much more careful not to grind all the way thru the gel coat. If you do grind down all the way thru the gel coat, you will be looking at a topsides paint job. So be careful and use a light touch! After the hull is buffed out, again clean it thoroughly, and then wax it. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 29, 2020, at 12:26 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: > > ?Frank,I posted my results using elbow grease and some compounding. Check out Restoring gelcoathttp://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-July/085213.htmlMike > > s/v Wind Lass ('91) > Nissequogue River, NY > -------- Original message --------From: Frank Goldsmith Date: 9/28/20 9:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull Listmates, do you have any tips on how to restore the shine to a faded hull? My once-beautiful blue hull with the red trim around the waterline is now pretty dull, and I want to have it again look as a Rhodes should look. A fellow at our sailing club suggested that I apply Penetrol, which apparently is a paint additive ? has anyone tried that? Thanks,FrankFrank GoldsmithS/V ?Mary Bess?Lake Keowee, SC From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 09:43:46 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 09:43:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Newbie question 1 In-Reply-To: <2007397269.1826552.1601376070689@mail.yahoo.com> References: <87A57270-CB28-4C0B-AE71-80115A00B81D@mattmail.net> <1601306532478-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <2007397269.1826552.1601376070689@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Ted, That is very generous to offer your remaining parts of your Rhodes. I'm not in need of any of those things but just wanted to note your generosity. I'm sure there ust be a sad story connected with the loss of your Rhodes. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 6:41 AM Theodore DeSantis via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I know this has nothing to do with your letter but I had a Rhodes 22 and > I have the mast, Jib, a dutchman and home made mast raising set up all in > good shape that I would give to any fellow sailor. I live in South Jersey > right by Cape May. If anyone is interested just shoot me a email at > mategotlowhook at yahoo.com and my name is Ted. > On Monday, September 28, 2020, 11:22:15 AM EDT, Joe Dempsey < > joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote: > > Matt, > I, too, am an experienced sailor and found many idiosyncrasies with the > Rhodes. "Respite" has the 175 jenny and i had difficulty tacking in light > air. I added longer PVC shroud rollers (it came with 12"-18" rollers) I had > mahogany rollers on a previous boat so being a traditionalist, I stained > the > PVC. See photo attached. One thing, especially in light air, try to wait > for a lift to build up your speed and get the helm over hard and fast, if > not you're going to be in irons before the jenny gets over. Hope this > helps. > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Respite_After_Launch_Spring_2018.jpg> > > < > http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Departing_Fl_R_8_Outbound.jpg> > > > > > > ----- > Joe Dempsey > s/v Respite > Rhodes 22 1989/2005 > Deltaville,VA > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 09:46:22 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 09:46:22 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Traveler technical aspects In-Reply-To: <1601383175407-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601383175407-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: Good luck Brian, Sometimes there is great joy in identifying a problem and then finding a cunning solution of your own creation, just ask Stan. Do share your solution after its creation. Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 8:39 AM NewIn76 via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Chris, > Thanks. That's kind of what I was trying to understand regarding how it is > used. Each of my boats has had a different configuration and I've disliked > all for certain reasons. The one I came closest to liking was the mid-boom > traveler, but the traveler ran right across the bridge deck and anyone > leaning backward got a face full of mainsheet on a downwind run. I think > between Stan, GBI, and pictures, I can reconfigure the setup. > Brian > > > > ----- > Brian > 1976 Rhodes 22 > Cleveland > -- > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 12:16:12 2020 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 12:16:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull In-Reply-To: References: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> Thanks to all who have responded. I really appreciate the advice. I think I?ll try measures other than Penetrol for now and see what I can do with a pressure washer followed by some compound (if needed) and wax. This list is a great resource. Frank S/V ?Mary Bess? (1985 Rhodes, refurbished 2001) Lake Keowee, SC > On Sep 29, 2020, at 9:08 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote: > > Hi Frank, > > Restoration depends on how faded your gel coat is. The first step is get the hull really clean. I like to use a pressure washer with a wide angle spray. Even so, be careful not to ?erase? things like the waterline stripe, boat name, W/C registration numbers, home port, etc. After the hull is clean, try using a polish wax product and see if you can rub out the faded gel coat in some small area. If that doesn?t work, you will have to go to rubbing compound. Start with the finest grit and go to coarser grits as necessary. When you finally find a suitable abrasive, you can go at the entire hull with a lot of elbow grease. You can expect to go thru an entire can of rubbing compound and the job will take many hours of hard labor. To save my shoulders, I like to use an orbital buffer. However, when using an orbital buffer, you must be much more careful not to grind all the way thru the gel coat. If you do grind down all the way thru the gel coat, you will be looking at a topsides paint job. So be careful and use a light touch! After the hull is buffed out, again clean it thoroughly, and then wax it. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Sep 29, 2020, at 12:26 AM, Michael Weisner wrote: >> >> ?Frank,I posted my results using elbow grease and some compounding. Check out Restoring gelcoathttp://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-July/085213.htmlMike >> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >> Nissequogue River, NY >> -------- Original message --------From: Frank Goldsmith Date: 9/28/20 9:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull Listmates, do you have any tips on how to restore the shine to a faded hull? My once-beautiful blue hull with the red trim around the waterline is now pretty dull, and I want to have it again look as a Rhodes should look. A fellow at our sailing club suggested that I apply Penetrol, which apparently is a paint additive ? has anyone tried that? 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I really appreciate the advice. I think > I?ll try measures other than Penetrol for now and see what I can do with a > pressure washer followed by some compound (if needed) and wax. > > This list is a great resource. > > Frank > > S/V ?Mary Bess? > (1985 Rhodes, refurbished 2001) > Lake Keowee, SC > > > On Sep 29, 2020, at 9:08 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA > wrote: > > > > Hi Frank, > > > > Restoration depends on how faded your gel coat is. The first step is > get the hull really clean. I like to use a pressure washer with a wide > angle spray. Even so, be careful not to ?erase? things like the waterline > stripe, boat name, W/C registration numbers, home port, etc. After the > hull is clean, try using a polish wax product and see if you can rub out > the faded gel coat in some small area. If that doesn?t work, you will have > to go to rubbing compound. Start with the finest grit and go to coarser > grits as necessary. When you finally find a suitable abrasive, you can go > at the entire hull with a lot of elbow grease. You can expect to go thru > an entire can of rubbing compound and the job will take many hours of hard > labor. To save my shoulders, I like to use an orbital buffer. However, > when using an orbital buffer, you must be much more careful not to grind > all the way thru the gel coat. If you do grind down all the way thru the > gel coat, you will be looking at a topsides paint job. So be careful and > use a light touch! After the hull is buffed out, again clean it thoroughly, > and then wax it. > > > > Roger Pihlaja > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Sep 29, 2020, at 12:26 AM, Michael Weisner > wrote: > >> > >> ?Frank,I posted my results using elbow grease and some compounding. > Check out Restoring gelcoathttp:// > rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-July/085213.htmlMike > >> > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91) > >> Nissequogue River, NY > >> -------- Original message --------From: Frank Goldsmith < > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> Date: 9/28/20 9:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The > Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: > [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull Listmates, do you have any tips on how to > restore the shine to a faded hull? My once-beautiful blue hull with the > red trim around the waterline is now pretty dull, and I want to have it > again look as a Rhodes should look. A fellow at our sailing club suggested > that I apply Penetrol, which apparently is a paint additive ? has anyone > tried that? Thanks,FrankFrank GoldsmithS/V ?Mary Bess?Lake Keowee, SC > > From stan at generalboats.com Tue Sep 29 12:57:51 2020 From: stan at generalboats.com (stan) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 12:57:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re GB's hull Repainting system In-Reply-To: <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> References: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2553355b-4d14-ec09-60df-b08fb0e5f66a@generalboats.com> Frank, unless you like that kind of work, bringing your boat to the NC plant can have the best hull refinisher in the business have your boat leave the plant with the best hull finish you have ever seen, that will last forever (as far as we have lived so far to witness) so with that long a run, ends up being the lowest cost system you can get anywhere. From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 12:58:30 2020 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 12:58:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull In-Reply-To: References: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <07BD9E49-CF13-4421-AB2F-3D4E4CEDD303@gmail.com> Thanks, Richard. > On Sep 29, 2020, at 12:48 PM, Richard Beytagh wrote: > > This stuff works pretty well... > https://www.googleadservices.com/pagead/aclk?sa=L&ai=DChcSEwjZzaC46I7sAhXb6-MHHTgNC1UYABAIGgJ5bQ&ohost=www.google.com&cid=CAESQOD27iDn6krMOAMyJch1eiknvqSUzoDBXK529cpa-Ou7PoA2racaLNSbM4hdrFOOtmv-KULR8MQDLUWT2JDmBYM&sig=AOD64_1c4GYW-AG7PLiYGaS_ThLgIKoxUA&ctype=5&q=&ved=2ahUKEwiEuI646I7sAhWJiK0KHTIiBnoQ9aACegQIFxBL&adurl= > > > ~~~ _/) ~~~ > > Richard Beytagh > Phone: 828 337 0180 > > > > Virus-free. > www.avg.com > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:16 PM Frank Goldsmith > wrote: > >> Thanks to all who have responded. I really appreciate the advice. I think >> I?ll try measures other than Penetrol for now and see what I can do with a >> pressure washer followed by some compound (if needed) and wax. >> >> This list is a great resource. >> >> Frank >> >> S/V ?Mary Bess? >> (1985 Rhodes, refurbished 2001) >> Lake Keowee, SC >> >>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 9:08 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Frank, >>> >>> Restoration depends on how faded your gel coat is. The first step is >> get the hull really clean. I like to use a pressure washer with a wide >> angle spray. Even so, be careful not to ?erase? things like the waterline >> stripe, boat name, W/C registration numbers, home port, etc. After the >> hull is clean, try using a polish wax product and see if you can rub out >> the faded gel coat in some small area. If that doesn?t work, you will have >> to go to rubbing compound. Start with the finest grit and go to coarser >> grits as necessary. When you finally find a suitable abrasive, you can go >> at the entire hull with a lot of elbow grease. You can expect to go thru >> an entire can of rubbing compound and the job will take many hours of hard >> labor. To save my shoulders, I like to use an orbital buffer. However, >> when using an orbital buffer, you must be much more careful not to grind >> all the way thru the gel coat. If you do grind down all the way thru the >> gel coat, you will be looking at a topsides paint job. So be careful and >> use a light touch! After the hull is buffed out, again clean it thoroughly, >> and then wax it. >>> >>> Roger Pihlaja >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Sep 29, 2020, at 12:26 AM, Michael Weisner >> wrote: >>>> >>>> ?Frank,I posted my results using elbow grease and some compounding. >> Check out Restoring gelcoathttp:// >> rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-July/085213.htmlMike >>>> >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91) >>>> Nissequogue River, NY >>>> -------- Original message --------From: Frank Goldsmith < >> goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> Date: 9/28/20 9:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The >> Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: >> [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull Listmates, do you have any tips on how to >> restore the shine to a faded hull? My once-beautiful blue hull with the >> red trim around the waterline is now pretty dull, and I want to have it >> again look as a Rhodes should look. A fellow at our sailing club suggested >> that I apply Penetrol, which apparently is a paint additive ? has anyone >> tried that? Thanks,FrankFrank GoldsmithS/V ?Mary Bess?Lake Keowee, SC >> >> From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 13:01:15 2020 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 13:01:15 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re GB's hull Repainting system In-Reply-To: <2553355b-4d14-ec09-60df-b08fb0e5f66a@generalboats.com> References: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> <2553355b-4d14-ec09-60df-b08fb0e5f66a@generalboats.com> Message-ID: <7FEF2D44-3E3A-4E73-86E8-F8FEEC148D4D@gmail.com> Thanks, Stan. I?d love to work in a trip from Asheville to Edenton. I?m sure there are other things on my Rhodes that could use some attention. One issue is that I don?t have a vehicle suitable for towing (it?s a Honda CR-V), and I?m not sure our son will feel like parting with his F-150 for such a trip. ? Frank > On Sep 29, 2020, at 12:57 PM, stan wrote: > > > Frank, unless you like that kind of work, bringing your boat to the NC plant can have the best hull refinisher in the business have your boat leave the plant with the best hull finish you have ever seen, that will last forever (as far as we have lived so far to witness) so with that long a run, ends up being the lowest cost system you can get anywhere. > > From borderfolle at yahoo.com Tue Sep 29 15:49:22 2020 From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 19:49:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re GB's hull Repainting system In-Reply-To: <7FEF2D44-3E3A-4E73-86E8-F8FEEC148D4D@gmail.com> References: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> <2553355b-4d14-ec09-60df-b08fb0e5f66a@generalboats.com> <7FEF2D44-3E3A-4E73-86E8-F8FEEC148D4D@gmail.com> Message-ID: <146898459.17710.1601408962636@mail.yahoo.com> Our 2003 Rhodes has a blue hull that I believe is some kind of polyurethane paint, not gel coat.? Over the past several years, I have polished and waxed the hull.? It looks better, but the luster doesn't last.? If it was gel coat, the results would be much better.? Once I find a workaround with Covid-19, I plan to bring the boat to Stan for refinishing.? I have given up on polishing and waxing. Don Simons,Ithaca, NY On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 01:01:26 PM EDT, Frank Goldsmith wrote: Thanks, Stan.? I?d love to work in a trip from Asheville to Edenton.? I?m sure there are other things on my Rhodes that could use some attention.? One issue is that I don?t have a vehicle suitable for towing (it?s a Honda CR-V), and I?m not sure our son will feel like parting with his F-150 for such a trip.? ? Frank > On Sep 29, 2020, at 12:57 PM, stan wrote: > > > Frank, unless you like that kind of work, bringing your boat to the NC plant can have the best hull refinisher in the business have your boat leave the plant with the best hull finish you have ever seen, that will last forever (as far as we have lived so far to witness) so with that long a run, ends up being the lowest cost system you can get anywhere. > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Sep 29 18:18:36 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 22:18:36 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands In-Reply-To: References: , , Message-ID: From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:15 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands Hi All, I finally found the files for the sea kayaking trip that Daniel, Gary, Patrick Aldrich, and I took to the Apostle Islands on August 25-28, 2006. Patrick Aldrich was one of Daniel?s friends from Boy Scouts. The attached MS Word file is a day-by-day summary of the trip with an annotated chart showing our travels. The rest of the attached files are photos. The thing about the sea caves that surprised me the most was how colorful they were inside. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image029.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] [cid:image034.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] [cid:image036.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image038.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image040.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image042.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image044.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image045.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image046.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image047.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image048.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image049.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image050.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image051.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image052.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image053.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image054.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:18 PM To: Bill Woodgate; Gary Pihlaja; Mr. Daniel Pihlaja Subject: Proposed Summer of 2021 High Adventure Sailing/Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands Hi All, I?ve tried to imagine in a little more detail what a High Adventure Trip in the Apostle Islands with S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and the kayaks might look like. The attached MS PowerPoint file gives an overview of the float plan. We would probably want to do this trip in mid August, 2021 to give Lake Superior as much time as possible to warm up. Each day?s course on the mother ship is shown in a different color and paddling trips are shown in red. These are going to be several very rich full days in a row; but, still doable. Proposed Itinerary: Day Description 1 Drive to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center & set up camp at Little Sand Bay CG 2 Morning day trip paddle to Squaw Bay Sea Caves, Lunch at camp, Rig & launch sailboat, Sail out to Sand Island, Camp on Sand Island NOTE: The day trip paddle could be switched to the last day to accommodate weather 3 Hike to Sand Island Lighthouse, Day trip paddle to Justice Bay Sea Caves, Sail to Devil?s Island, Day trip paddle to Devil?s Island Sea Caves, Sail to Rocky Island, Camp at Rocky Island CG 4 Sail to Manitou Island, Tour Manitou Island Fish Camp, Sail To Stockton Island via east coast & decide if sea caves and balancing rock are worth a day trip paddle, moor at Stockton Island Dock 1, tour Stockton Island Visitor Center, Camp at Stockton Island CG 5 Sail back to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center, retrieve and unrig boat, camp at Little Sand Bay CG 6 Drive home This float plan will let visit all the major sea caves, sea arches, sea stacks, and other major attractions in the Apostle Islands archipelago. 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Name: 75054B68C2CB47F79F620E9F1DC4794F.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 188843 bytes Desc: 75054B68C2CB47F79F620E9F1DC4794F.jpg URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Tue Sep 29 18:29:29 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 18:29:29 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re GB's hull Repainting system In-Reply-To: <2553355b-4d14-ec09-60df-b08fb0e5f66a@generalboats.com> References: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> <2553355b-4d14-ec09-60df-b08fb0e5f66a@generalboats.com> Message-ID: So, Stan, What would something like that cost for just the hull, and for the hull and topside? Chris G On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 12:57 PM stan wrote: > > Frank, unless you like that kind of work, bringing your boat to the NC > plant can have the best hull refinisher in the business have your boat > leave the plant with the best hull finish you have ever seen, that will > last forever (as far as we have lived so far to witness) so with that > long a run, ends up being the lowest cost system you can get anywhere. > > > From peter at sunnybeeches.com Tue Sep 29 20:40:37 2020 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 20:40:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re GB's hull Repainting system In-Reply-To: <146898459.17710.1601408962636@mail.yahoo.com> References: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> <2553355b-4d14-ec09-60df-b08fb0e5f66a@generalboats.com> <7FEF2D44-3E3A-4E73-86E8-F8FEEC148D4D@gmail.com> <146898459.17710.1601408962636@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5FE0DE69-D7E6-4B71-96DC-DD670F622F89@sunnybeeches.com> As of 2016, the dark blue paint used by General Boats was Alexseal Flag Blue #T5153. ?Peter > On Sep 29, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > Our 2003 Rhodes has a blue hull that I believe is some kind of polyurethane paint, not gel coat. Over the past several years, I have polished and waxed the hull. It looks better, but the luster doesn't last. If it was gel coat, the results would be much better. Once I find a workaround with Covid-19, I plan to bring the boat to Stan for refinishing. I have given up on polishing and waxing. > Don Simons,Ithaca, NY > On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 01:01:26 PM EDT, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > > Thanks, Stan. I?d love to work in a trip from Asheville to Edenton. I?m sure there are other things on my Rhodes that could use some attention. One issue is that I don?t have a vehicle suitable for towing (it?s a Honda CR-V), and I?m not sure our son will feel like parting with his F-150 for such a trip. ? > > Frank From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 05:49:04 2020 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 05:49:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re GB's hull Repainting system In-Reply-To: <5FE0DE69-D7E6-4B71-96DC-DD670F622F89@sunnybeeches.com> References: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> <2553355b-4d14-ec09-60df-b08fb0e5f66a@generalboats.com> <7FEF2D44-3E3A-4E73-86E8-F8FEEC148D4D@gmail.com> <146898459.17710.1601408962636@mail.yahoo.com> <5FE0DE69-D7E6-4B71-96DC-DD670F622F89@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: And manufacturer's recommendations on how to care for the paint is found here --Reuben Reuben Mezrich Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore Cell: 410-499-8922 On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > As of 2016, the dark blue paint used by General Boats was Alexseal Flag > Blue #T5153. > > ?Peter > > > On Sep 29, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > Our 2003 Rhodes has a blue hull that I believe is some kind of > polyurethane paint, not gel coat. Over the past several years, I have > polished and waxed the hull. It looks better, but the luster doesn't > last. If it was gel coat, the results would be much better. Once I find a > workaround with Covid-19, I plan to bring the boat to Stan for > refinishing. I have given up on polishing and waxing. > > Don Simons,Ithaca, NY > > On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 01:01:26 PM EDT, Frank Goldsmith < > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Thanks, Stan. I?d love to work in a trip from Asheville to Edenton. > I?m sure there are other things on my Rhodes that could use some > attention. One issue is that I don?t have a vehicle suitable for towing > (it?s a Honda CR-V), and I?m not sure our son will feel like parting with > his F-150 for such a trip. ? > > > > Frank > > From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Sep 30 07:15:02 2020 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 11:15:02 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands In-Reply-To: References: , , , Message-ID: Hi All, I keep forgetting that the Rhodes List server strips out MS Word documents. The attached .pdf file is the day-by-day summary of the trip mentioned below. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:18 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 6:15 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: August, 2006 High Adventure Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands Hi All, I finally found the files for the sea kayaking trip that Daniel, Gary, Patrick Aldrich, and I took to the Apostle Islands on August 25-28, 2006. Patrick Aldrich was one of Daniel?s friends from Boy Scouts. The attached MS Word file is a day-by-day summary of the trip with an annotated chart showing our travels. The rest of the attached files are photos. The thing about the sea caves that surprised me the most was how colorful they were inside. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium [cid:image005.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image029.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] [cid:image034.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] [cid:image036.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image038.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image040.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image042.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image044.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image045.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image046.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image047.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image048.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image049.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image050.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image051.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image052.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image053.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30][cid:image054.jpg at 01D6968C.E1735C30] Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020 6:18 PM To: Bill Woodgate; Gary Pihlaja; Mr. Daniel Pihlaja Subject: Proposed Summer of 2021 High Adventure Sailing/Kayaking Trip To The Apostle Islands Hi All, I?ve tried to imagine in a little more detail what a High Adventure Trip in the Apostle Islands with S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and the kayaks might look like. The attached MS PowerPoint file gives an overview of the float plan. We would probably want to do this trip in mid August, 2021 to give Lake Superior as much time as possible to warm up. Each day?s course on the mother ship is shown in a different color and paddling trips are shown in red. These are going to be several very rich full days in a row; but, still doable. Proposed Itinerary: Day Description 1 Drive to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center & set up camp at Little Sand Bay CG 2 Morning day trip paddle to Squaw Bay Sea Caves, Lunch at camp, Rig & launch sailboat, Sail out to Sand Island, Camp on Sand Island NOTE: The day trip paddle could be switched to the last day to accommodate weather 3 Hike to Sand Island Lighthouse, Day trip paddle to Justice Bay Sea Caves, Sail to Devil?s Island, Day trip paddle to Devil?s Island Sea Caves, Sail to Rocky Island, Camp at Rocky Island CG 4 Sail to Manitou Island, Tour Manitou Island Fish Camp, Sail To Stockton Island via east coast & decide if sea caves and balancing rock are worth a day trip paddle, moor at Stockton Island Dock 1, tour Stockton Island Visitor Center, Camp at Stockton Island CG 5 Sail back to Little Sand Bay Visitor Center, retrieve and unrig boat, camp at Little Sand Bay CG 6 Drive home This float plan will let visit all the major sea caves, sea arches, sea stacks, and other major attractions in the Apostle Islands archipelago. Devil?s Island is the northern most island in the archipelago. The dock at Rocky Island is one of the most protected docks, especially in the outer islands. We could hunker down here to allow bad weather to pass by if we had to. The dock at Stockton Island is also relatively well protected, except from the south and southwest. Both Sand Island and Stockton Island have ranger stations if we get in trouble. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 7A03F92B4ABC48FFB5A52AC387980AEE.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 87249 bytes Desc: 7A03F92B4ABC48FFB5A52AC387980AEE.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: D179917F1165461E9DB522EF92F9E196.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 146446 bytes Desc: D179917F1165461E9DB522EF92F9E196.jpg URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Sea Kayaking In Apostle Islands National Park.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 447823 bytes Desc: Sea Kayaking In Apostle Islands National Park.pdf URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 09:13:43 2020 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 09:13:43 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re GB's hull Repainting system In-Reply-To: References: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> <2553355b-4d14-ec09-60df-b08fb0e5f66a@generalboats.com> <7FEF2D44-3E3A-4E73-86E8-F8FEEC148D4D@gmail.com> <146898459.17710.1601408962636@mail.yahoo.com> <5FE0DE69-D7E6-4B71-96DC-DD670F622F89@sunnybeeches.com> Message-ID: Great info Reuben. Thanks Chris G Enosis On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 at 05:49, Reuben Mezrich wrote: > And manufacturer's recommendations on how to care for the paint is found > here > --Reuben > Reuben Mezrich > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore > Cell: 410-499-8922 > > > On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 8:41 PM Peter Nyberg > wrote: > > > As of 2016, the dark blue paint used by General Boats was Alexseal Flag > > Blue #T5153. > > > > ?Peter > > > > > On Sep 29, 2020, at 3:49 PM, Donald Simons via Rhodes22-list < > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > > > > Our 2003 Rhodes has a blue hull that I believe is some kind of > > polyurethane paint, not gel coat. Over the past several years, I have > > polished and waxed the hull. It looks better, but the luster doesn't > > last. If it was gel coat, the results would be much better. Once I > find a > > workaround with Covid-19, I plan to bring the boat to Stan for > > refinishing. I have given up on polishing and waxing. > > > Don Simons,Ithaca, NY > > > On Tuesday, September 29, 2020, 01:01:26 PM EDT, Frank Goldsmith < > > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Thanks, Stan. I?d love to work in a trip from Asheville to Edenton. > > I?m sure there are other things on my Rhodes that could use some > > attention. One issue is that I don?t have a vehicle suitable for towing > > (it?s a Honda CR-V), and I?m not sure our son will feel like parting with > > his F-150 for such a trip. ? > > > > > > Frank > > > > > From joedempsey at hughes.net Wed Sep 30 10:41:22 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:41:22 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull In-Reply-To: References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> <7A722ADE-4F07-4AE1-A366-6CCF796FF0B5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1601476882614-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I've used 3M Restorer and Wax. It's good stuff but hard to find. I think 3M has re-branded the product. They have a complete finishing"system/s" for Gelcoat and paint finishes. I think the Restorer is now 3M Perfect-It Gelcoat Light + Wax. It also comes in Medium and Heavy. I used the Light + Wax on my topsides and happy with the results. I haven't had to do anything but wax my hull. I use Maguier's Flagship Premium Marine Wax and am pleased with the result. My hull still beads water at the end of the season, but I wax and buff it again, "some is good, more is better"! I don't know if the hull is gelcoat (dark blue) or painted. If anyone on the list can answer that question it would determine which of the 3M systems to use. However, I can't imagine that the Gelcoat Light + Wax would hurt a painted finish. Also, invest in a random orbital buffer. I just got one at Harbor Freight for about $100. Saves time and elbow grease! https://www.westmarine.com/buy/3m--perfect-it-gelcoat-light-cutting-polish-wax-quart--17568767?recordNum=6 ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From joedempsey at hughes.net Wed Sep 30 10:55:57 2020 From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 07:55:57 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] JIB Furling Line In-Reply-To: <1601304876298-0.post@n5.nabble.com> References: <1601058320946-39389.post@n5.nabble.com> <24056061.1248915565812.JavaMail.root@elwamui-little.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <1601058320946-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601304876298-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Message-ID: <1601477757964-0.post@n5.nabble.com> Peter, it was actually the CDI manual that mentioned de-coreing larger diameter lines for the first few feet coiled on the drum. BTW, my furler is the CDI Flexible Furler 2. I don't know if any other was used on the Rhodes, but the instruction for de-coreing is probably the same. ----- Joe Dempsey s/v Respite Rhodes 22 1989/2005 Deltaville,VA -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/ From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com Wed Sep 30 20:18:53 2020 From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 17:18:53 -0700 (MST) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cleaning the hull In-Reply-To: <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> References: <1601308531699-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <1601313064136-0.post@n5.nabble.com> <3B3807B4-A306-4917-B54B-BE8433897B40@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1601511533773-0.post@n5.nabble.com> I wet sanded a dark blue hull with the Harbor Freight (Really Great!) polisher sander 600 grit then 1000 grit and then compound followed with Maguires Admiral wax. It worked well, but maybe took off a little too much. There s a a youtube video using heavy - then regular compond - but who can find the same video again? Next time I may try to spray. What could go wrong? I used a 1" reflective red self adhesive tape over my faded pink rub rail (after thoroughly cleaning with acetone). It looks great and has held up well after one season - so far ----- Jeff Smith 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor Atlantic Highlands, NJ -- Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/