[Rhodes22-list] motor broke away

Tue Sep 1 21:14:35 EDT 2020

Ric, Stan advised me to replace my old rails made from starboard with
aluminium. I took the old pieces to a machine shop and had them replicated.
Do you remember what material the STOP was made of? This was lost when the
motor came loose. It appears that the STOP fell out and allowed the pieces
that follow the track
to slip out. There were twisted bolts and one sheared bolt. They look to be
about 1/4 inch stainless steel. Stainless is a bear to drill or saw.
Rightly or wrongly I though the Stainless
bolts were much stronger. The newer aluminium rails are fine with no
damage. The 4 ear pieces that slide in the track are made from 5/8
starboard. Some were in good shape but two were eaten out through the edge
of the piece.. Rumer had it (from the previous owner) that the boat was
recycled in the late 90s. What are the chances that only two of the ears
were replaced at that time. The two failed pieces were in much more
deteriorated and worn condition than the other two. But I ramble. The stop
is my next concern. Any suggestions on replacement materials. All Rhodies
are invited to give their thoughts and experiences.
Thanks
Cary Tolbert
S/V Whisper '86

On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 5:51 PM Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Rob. Yeah, there's a wood strip on the port side and another strip on
> the other side that's UHMWPE or Starboard or something. I vaguely remember
> fiddling with it maybe 20 years ago and have had no issues since. What kind
> of slides are you referring to? Do they somehow retrofit on the round ears
> that I have, and are they still available?
> —Slim
> Fandango
>
> On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 3:44 PM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>
> > Slim,
> > Looks to me you have a wooden strip on your port slide but not your
> > starboard?  Might explain some of the slop you have in your lift.  Sound
> > like most mounts these days don't use the bushings but just use slides.
> > Maybe you could replace all four slides with ones that are wider and
> > thicker so they would span the distance between your tracks?  - rob
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> > Steven Alm <stevenalm at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2020 3:16 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away
> >
> > Hey, mine just came apart too! My boat is a 1990 and has the 6-1 tackle
> > system. It didn't actually break as far as I can tell, it just popped out
> > of the track. The four ears seem to be okay except 3 out of 4 bushings
> are
> > gone and the one that's left is damaged. There's so much play, approx.
> 1/2"
> > side to side in the tracks that I think the track just flexed ever so
> > slightly and allowed the ear to pop out. It happened when we were under
> > sail, motor off, raised up and tilted up. It would be nice if I could
> > replace the bushings — are they available? — but more importantly I need
> to
> > use strips of starboard or something to fill the gaps on both sides. The
> > strips need to be about 1/4" thick, 1 and a half inches wide and maybe
> 18"
> > long. I think I can slide them in from the top along the inside of the
> > tracks on each side. That would reduce the side to side play and probably
> > work until I decide to upgrade to a new system. Here's a couple pics:
> > —Slim
> > Fandango
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 5:31 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > By chance, does anyone have a photo of the stop at the end of the rail
> ?
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 5:05 PM Chris Cowie <ccowie at cowieassociates.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Richard:
> > > >
> > > > We installed electric actuators on the westmarine motor lift for a
> > clean
> > > > off the shelf type of solution.  Works pretty well and avoids a lot
> of
> > > > fussy custom hardware.
> > > >
> > > > Christopher P. Cowie
> > > >
> > > > 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119
> > > > Washington DC, 20016
> > > > 202.270.1470 mobile
> > > > [ccowie at cowieassociates.com]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Richard Stott
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2020 10:14 AM
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] motor broke away
> > > >
> > > > Cary
> > > > My ’84 GB mount broke on spring launch the year and my Yamaha 8 went
> in
> > > > the drink.
> > > > I purchased a motor mount from West marine immediately so I could
> > > continue
> > > > to use the boat with a spare motor I happened to have on hand.
> > > > Its a stinky smoky ’99 Merc 2 stroke, but it always starts and runs
> > when
> > > > it need it - well almost always.
> > > > I talked it over on the list and discussed with Mike Riter a plan to
> > > > convert the GB mount to be equipped with a threaded gear (his sketch)
> > so
> > > > that the mont can be moved with a manual crank or an electric motor.
> > > > This would be huge advantage over the 6/1 tackle it came equipped
> with.
> > > > I’ve been enjoying the boat too much to stop and refine that design
> of
> > > > Mikes - that’s a winter project.
> > > >
> > > > In any case the parallelogram type mount works fairly well, it has
> pros
> > > > and cons.
> > > > One of the biggest cons is that the moro in the down position is
> father
> > > > aft of the transom and will cavitate and lose thrust in larger waves,
> > > > especially with weight on the bow.
> > > > I will like the GB system (modified) over the alternative, but the
> West
> > > > marine mount was easy to install and serves the immediate need.
> > > > (What I really want is an electric,  steerable, remote controlled, 20
> > hp
> > > > sail drive mounted right behind the keel trunk.) It’s doable for
> > > > approximately one tone of money.
> > > >
> > > > One way I use the boat is unusual.
> > > > I moore my boat 50 yards off shore.
> > > > I use a stand-up paddle board for a tender because it's light and
> easy
> > to
> > > > cary to the shore.
> > > > I then use the motor only, with the rudder up, to back the boat on to
> > the
> > > > beach to pick up  provisions and of course my wife, who is not one to
> > > > paddle out to the boat.
> > > > Depending on the tide and the slope of the beach, I can sometimes put
> > the
> > > > stern right on the beach.
> > > > An opening in the stern rail, like the more modern R22s would be a
> huge
> > > > asset for picking up passengers from the beach. (next year) Ric sv
> > > > Dadventure stay tuned for ‘motor mount mod’ updates
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > > > www.stottarchitecture.com<http://www.stottarchitecture.com> <
> > http://www.stottarchitecture.com/>
> > > > Office  631-283-1777
> > > > Cell            516-965-3164
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Aug 26, 2020, at 9:19 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Preview attachment 20200825_174517.jpg
> > > > > 20200825_174517.jpg
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> > > > > <
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > >Once
> > > > > again HELP. Wed. the 25th I was motoring from my slip out on to the
> > > lake
> > > > > and kerplunk. The motor raising part of the boat fell off with the
> > > motor
> > > > > attached and still running. I also had it attached with a s/s
> chain.
> > > > Lucky
> > > > > or not.? ? ? Stan no longer makes the parts for an 86. He said he
> has
> > > > long
> > > > > moved to newer and hopefully better designs. It seems the starboard
> > > > > material used to let the motor slide in the rails failed. My
> question
> > > is
> > > > > should I attempt to repair with parts of better materials or buy a
> > > > > gerneric  system for raising and lowering one's motor . Say
> something
> > > > that
> > > > > would fit a Catalina 22? Looking for advice from the centuries of
> > > > > experience on the list
> > > > > Cary Tolbert S/V Whisper '86
> > > > > Radford, VA
> > > >
> > > >
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