[Rhodes22-list] Another owner grateful for positive flotation

[Mark Whipple]

Right - good call, Chris!

Mark

On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:25 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Mark, you might want to put in a siphon break in at the top of the loop
> so that if you are healed and the pump goes on, then stops, you would not
> get a siphoned  collumn in the hose while the boat is heeled.
> Chris G
> Enosis
>
> On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 10:23 AM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks all for the suggestions. I'm going to get a longer hose and run a
> > loop up under the galley counter as high as possible. I will rotate the
> "T"
> > before reconnecting. I'm reluctant to put in a one-way valve because they
> > reduce the ID of the hose. With the little 500gph bilge pump and a 1" ID
> > hose I don't want to introduce any restrictions beyond putting in that
> high
> > loop.
> >
> > Thanks again,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 10:53 PM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Mark,
> > >   That is an easy fix. Turn that tee fitting 180 degrees to straight
> up ,
> > > add two-inch of pipe to a 90 degree fitting and attach to the tee. On
> > > the other end of the 90 degree fitting, reduce to the size of the bilge
> > > pump hose, add another 90 degree fitting and attach the bilge pump hose
> > > to the bottom of the fitting. The reason you reduce after the first 90
> > > is to limit drain back, when the pump shuts off.
> > >
> > >   Jerry Lowe
> > >
> > >
> > >  Mark,
> > > >
> > > > Working out the kinks on a new (to you) boat can be such an
> adventure.
> > > >
> > > > Clearly the existing plumbing arrangement is sub-optimal.  It’s
> > probably
> > > > the source of you water problem, but how could the previous owner
> have
> > > not
> > > > also had this problem? Maybe they only sailed flat.
> > > >
> > > > As to bilge pumps, I am of the opinion that they are mostly useless
> on
> > a
> > > > Rhodes 22.  In a situation where your boat starts taking on water
> while
> > > it
> > > > is connected to shore power, I can see how one could save the day.
> > > > Otherwise, either the amount of water is small and can be dealt with
> > with
> > > > a sponge, or you’ve got a real leak and the pump drains your battery,
> > > > and then the boat sinks anyway.
> > > >
> > > > As to the halyard, I’ve been bitten by this myself.  In my case it
> was
> > > > to starboard as well.  Maybe moving it to port would be better.
> What I
> > > > did was to move the lower attachment point away from the mast, to a
> > deck
> > > > mounted block out towards the hand rail.  Since that repositioning,
> > I’ve
> > > > never again gotten the halyard caught up in the IMF.
> > > >
> > > > Peter Nyberg
> > > > Coventry, CT
> > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Sep 8, 2020, at 9:42 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Please take a look at the attached picture. In the picture it
> appears
> > > >> that
> > > >> someone connected the hose from the bilge pump to the sink drain.
> You
> > > >> might
> > > >> ask yourself, who would connect a through-hull to a bilge pump hose
> > > >> without a loop up to the waterline? I can only say someone did it
> > before
> > > >> I
> > > >> bought the boat. Then you might say, well, didn't you see the
> problem
> > > >> when
> > > >> you bought the boat? Yup, I do remember making a mental note of it
> > when
> > > >> I
> > > >> originally inspected the boat. The problem is, at my age you need to
> > > >> physically write stuff down (or at least make a note on the phone)
> > > >> because
> > > >> mental notes are fickle things. I know the through-hull is actually
> > > >> above
> > > >> the waterline, but read on.
> > > >>
> > > >> The rest of the story:
> > > >>
> > > >> Last Friday my son made a rare visit to Boston from his home in
> > > >> Manhattan,
> > > >> and asked if we could go sailing. So, I launched the Rhodes last
> week
> > > >> and
> > > >> we took her out on the harbor for the first time since I've owned
> > her. A
> > > >> good day overall, but not without some of the traditional first sail
> > > >> "thrilling" moments.
> > > >>
> > > >> Side note on the saildrive: I was able to easily get the boat up to
> 5
> > > >> kts
> > > >> under power and nearly 6 kts when motorsailing on a broad reach.
> Over
> > > >> about
> > > >> 4kts the stern begins to squat as boats often do at some point under
> > > >> power.
> > > >> There were also three adults in the cockpit (my daughter was with
> us).
> > > >> We
> > > >> would get a little water in the cockpit while motoring but I
> > attributed
> > > >> that to the stern squat. Toward the end of the sail there was more
> > water
> > > >> in
> > > >> the cockpit when motoring but that didn't quite register at the
> time.
> > > >>
> > > >> While sailing we occasionally had a tough time rolling in the main
> > when
> > > >> I
> > > >> wanted to. I had recalled Stan's words from just last week: if it's
> > hard
> > > >> to
> > > >> roll in the main then something's wrong. We didn't really solve the
> > > >> problem
> > > >> until we were almost back at the mooring. There is an extra halyard
> I
> > > >> have
> > > >> for the asymmetrical spinnaker that goes on the bowsprit (that I
> broke
> > > >> in
> > > >> half). That halyard runs down the back side of the mast, and was
> loose
> > > >> enough to get caught in the main as we tried to roll it in. I'm
> going
> > to
> > > >> try to shift that halyard to the port side of the mast and make sure
> > > >> it's
> > > >> pretty taught.
> > > >>
> > > >> When we got back to the mooring my son told me there was water above
> > the
> > > >> cabin sole. At that point we had just picked up the mooring and I
> was
> > > >> still
> > > >> struggling with the main. We got the main sorted and the mooring
> > > >> pennants
> > > >> secured. I then checked the bilge pump and it wasn't running. I
> > suspect
> > > >> a
> > > >> flaky float switch, but there were also leaves down there so I had
> to
> > > >> keep
> > > >> clearing them from the base of the bilge pump. It's possible that
> > while
> > > >> we
> > > >> were sailing the pump clogged and became overheated. After we got
> most
> > > >> of
> > > >> the water out we had to rush off the boat to drive down to meet my
> > wife
> > > >> on
> > > >> Cape Cod (I know, such problems).
> > > >>
> > > >> My conclusion: it was a pretty gusty day and I saw the boat heel
> 20deg
> > > >> or
> > > >> more on both tacks. I'm reasonably confident that I was taking water
> > in
> > > >> through the bilge hose on port tacks. The through-hull is above the
> > > >> waterline but only 6-8" if memory serves. I'm also thinking -
> wouldn't
> > > >> the
> > > >> person who plumbed this realize that the drainage from the sink
> would
> > > >> end
> > > >> up in the bilge? In any case I have a project that just became a
> > little
> > > >> more urgent.
> > > >>
> > > >> Mark
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Boston, MA
> > > >>
> > > >> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > > >> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> > > >> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
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