[Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4253, Issue 2
Joe Dempsey
joedempsey at hughes.net
Fri Sep 11 20:39:13 EDT 2020
I'm driving a Suzuki 9.9 4 stroke electronic fuel injection (EFI), electric start, electric tilt, max thrust, long shaft with remote throttle control. I don't have to worry about theft, it weighs 125 lbs. It's mounted on a GBI electric motor lift.
Joe Dempsey
S/V Respite
1989/2005
Deltaville, VA
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Survey (Cary Tolbert)
2. Re: Survey (Alexis Seigneurin)
3. Re: Survey (Richard Stott)
4. Re: Survey (Michael D. Weisner)
5. Re: Survey (Tom Van Heule)
6. Re: Survey (Graham Stewart)
7. Re: Survey (luis.guzman.ve)
8. Re: Survey (Graham Stewart)
9. Re: Survey (Chris Geankoplis)
10. Re: Survey (luis.guzman.ve)
11. Re: Survey (Dana LeTendre)
12. Re: Survey (Cary Tolbert)
13. Re: R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa
(Richard Stott)
14. Re: Survey (Tom Van Heule)
15. Re: Survey (Lowe, Rob)
16. Re: Survey (Lowe, Rob)
17. Re: Survey (Michael D. Weisner)
18. Re: Wheel and stern squat (Mark Whipple)
19. Re: R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa (stan)
20. Re: R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa
(ROGER PIHLAJA)
21. Re: R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa
(Michael D. Weisner)
22. Re: R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa
(Mike Riter)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:32:29 -0400
From: Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Ric, I have a Yamaha 8hp. ,4cycle, 20" shaft, electric start and electric
tilt. It weighs in at 117 pounds. The KingStarboard rails on the lift have
been replaced with aluminium.
I think the motor is a 2005 model . The boat is an 86. The lift is manual.
Cary Tolbert
Radford, VA
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:58 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric.
>
> Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch. Details including photos
> are at
>
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176
>
> Top view photo of the motor lowered and running:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg
>
> I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's
> on the trailer, docked, and while sailing.
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rhodes
> > How long is your shaft?
> > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.
> > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:
> > 1. HP
> > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25?
> > 3. Motor mount type
> > Ex. GB original/ manual
> > GB original electric
> > GB converted E to M or M to E
> > 3rd party parallelogram type
> > Custom.
> > Currently I have
> > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc
> > 2. 25?
> > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with
> > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned.
> >
> > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any
> > associated photos with replies.
> > I?ll report findings to da list.
> > Ric
> > Sv Dadventure
> > Hampton Bays NY
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:35:55 +0000
From: Alexis Seigneurin <alexis.seigneurin at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start.
It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a GB mount.
Alexis
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:32:29 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
Ric, I have a Yamaha 8hp. ,4cycle, 20" shaft, electric start and electric
tilt. It weighs in at 117 pounds. The KingStarboard rails on the lift have
been replaced with aluminium.
I think the motor is a 2005 model . The boat is an 86. The lift is manual.
Cary Tolbert
Radford, VA
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:58 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric.
>
> Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch. Details including photos
> are at
>
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176
>
> Top view photo of the motor lowered and running:
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg
>
> I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's
> on the trailer, docked, and while sailing.
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rhodes
> > How long is your shaft?
> > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.
> > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:
> > 1. HP
> > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25?
> > 3. Motor mount type
> > Ex. GB original/ manual
> > GB original electric
> > GB converted E to M or M to E
> > 3rd party parallelogram type
> > Custom.
> > Currently I have
> > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc
> > 2. 25?
> > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with
> > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned.
> >
> > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any
> > associated photos with replies.
> > I?ll report findings to da list.
> > Ric
> > Sv Dadventure
> > Hampton Bays NY
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:44:51 -0400
From: Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
Message-ID:
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Cory
That lift looks like mine.
It stops at the rub rail.
It looks like your aluminum channel was reinforced with Delrin and has a piece broken when you took the photo.
My aluminum channel is bent and weak closer to the top so it needs to be replaced or reinforced.
I?m temporarily using a West Marine lift.
I?m most curious about hoe the 20? shaft performs in the waves. Does you prop come out of the water in the waves?
My 25? shaft on that same GB mount had problems in waves over 2 feet. It will spin out of the water when the stern is up and bow down.
Thank you all for you replies and photos - very helpful.
Ric
sv Dadventure
Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office 631-283-1777
Cell 516-965-3164
> On Sep 11, 2020, at 9:32 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ric, I have a Yamaha 8hp. ,4cycle, 20" shaft, electric start and electric
> tilt. It weighs in at 117 pounds. The KingStarboard rails on the lift have
> been replaced with aluminium.
> I think the motor is a 2005 model . The boat is an 86. The lift is manual.
> Cary Tolbert
> Radford, VA
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:58 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 2013 Tohatsu 9.8HP 20" Shaft on GB original electric.
>>
>> Replaced the original winch with a Rugcel winch. Details including photos
>> are at
>>
>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/Replacement-of-winch-for-motor-lift-td56157.html#a56176
>>
>> Top view photo of the motor lowered and running:
>> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t907/SLE01.jpg
>>
>> I attached a few more photos of the motor in the raised position when it's
>> on the trailer, docked, and while sailing.
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 7:46 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Rhodes
>>> How long is your shaft?
>>> Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.
>>> I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:
>>> 1. HP
>>> 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25?
>>> 3. Motor mount type
>>> Ex. GB original/ manual
>>> GB original electric
>>> GB converted E to M or M to E
>>> 3rd party parallelogram type
>>> Custom.
>>> Currently I have
>>> 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc
>>> 2. 25?
>>> 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with
>>> Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned.
>>>
>>> I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any
>>> associated photos with replies.
>>> I?ll report findings to da list.
>>> Ric
>>> Sv Dadventure
>>> Hampton Bays NY
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:48:03 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Yamaha F6MLHD
6 HP, 4-stroke
Shaft 22.1"
GB 6:1 1991 Manual (thin slot, not U-channel)
87 lbs
2 pics attached
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:59:35 -0500
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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2017 Merc 8hp 4stroke. Electric start, GB electric lift ( 2011) looks like
it's 25". Elbow scale says 80 to 90lbs.
Works like a charm, but sometimes a little jumpy when lowering. Which I do
about 6 times every sail...
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 8:48 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:
> Yamaha F6MLHD
> 6 HP, 4-stroke
> Shaft 22.1"
> GB 6:1 1991 Manual (thin slot, not U-channel)
> 87 lbs
>
> 2 pics attached
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:06:01 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Ric:
HP = 7.5 hp Johnson 1981
Shaft = 25"
Motor mount = standards manual motor mount - probably original.
Picture attached from the days of beginning restoration when the boat was very unhappy with me.
Note: This very simple arrangement appeals to me all the more as I read the seemingly endless posts from those with problems with their motor lift systems. 7.5 Hp seems quite adequate to me except dead up wind in very high winds. It is also a moderate weight compared to 10 hp 4 stroke motors. I just tilt my motor when sailing and only raise it if I am heeling severely or for long sails. Even so, raising it is not particularly difficult with my spring loaded motor mount. I am not convinced that the complexity, weight and, frankly, ugliness of the power lift system offsets any advantages it offers. I might feel differently if I actually had the rig to test or needed a much heavier motor.
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:47 AM
To: Email List The
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
Dear Rhodes
How long is your shaft?
Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.
I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:
1. HP
2. Shaft length- 20? or 25?
3. Motor mount type
Ex. GB original/ manual
GB original electric
GB converted E to M or M to E
3rd party parallelogram type
Custom.
Currently I have
1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc
2. 25?
3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned.
I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies.
I?ll report findings to da list.
Ric
Sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays NY
Sent from my iPhone=
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:17:29 -0400
From: "luis.guzman.ve" <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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25'' 2016 9Hp Tohatsu Manual/electric start and alternator.?Parallelogram type manual mount that I want to replace.S/V 1983 AquetxaliSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> Date: 9/11/20 8:46 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Email List The <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear RhodesHow long is your shaft?Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:1. HP2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25?3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual??????? GB original electric??????? GB converted E to M or M to E???????? 3rd party parallelogram type???????? Custom. Currently I have 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25?3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to da list. RicSv DadventureHampton Bays NYSent from my iPhone
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:20:36 -0400
From: "Graham Stewart" <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Here is a less embarrassing picture of the motor mount after the boat was tidied up a bit.
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:47 AM
To: Email List The
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
Dear Rhodes
How long is your shaft?
Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.
I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:
1. HP
2. Shaft length- 20? or 25?
3. Motor mount type
Ex. GB original/ manual
GB original electric
GB converted E to M or M to E
3rd party parallelogram type
Custom.
Currently I have
1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc
2. 25?
3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned.
I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies.
I?ll report findings to da list.
Ric
Sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays NY
Sent from my iPhone=
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:24:04 -0400
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Hey Ric,
To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start.
It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram type
mount. This is for Enosis I over in Greece.
The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp
Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in
Smithsonian quality.
It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this week.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis I
Red Rhodes
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> Dear Rhodes
> How long is your shaft?
> Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.
> I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:
> 1. HP
> 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25?
> 3. Motor mount type
> Ex. GB original/ manual
> GB original electric
> GB converted E to M or M to E
> 3rd party parallelogram type
> Custom.
> Currently I have
> 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc
> 2. 25?
> 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with
> Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned.
>
> I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any
> associated photos with replies.
> I?ll report findings to da list.
> Ric
> Sv Dadventure
> Hampton Bays NY
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:26:55 -0400
From: "luis.guzman.ve" <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Sorry, it is a Nissan.Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------From: "luis.guzman.ve" <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com> Date: 9/11/20 10:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
25'' 2016 9Hp Tohatsu Manual/electric start and alternator.?Parallelogram type manual mount that I want to replace.S/V 1983 AquetxaliSent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device-------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> Date: 9/11/20 8:46 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Email List The <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey Dear RhodesHow long is your shaft?Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:1. HP2. Shaft length-? 20? or 25?3. Motor mount type Ex. GB original/ manual??????? GB original electric??????? GB converted E to M or M to E???????? 3rd party parallelogram type???????? Custom. Currently I have 1.? ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc 2. 25?3.? Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin? sliders to be re-commissioned. I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies. I?ll report findings to
da list. RicSv DadventureHampton Bays NYSent from my iPhone
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:31:25 -0400
From: Dana LeTendre <dlet3 at aol.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Ric,
My current Rhodes has a 6 hp Mercury 4-stroke, long shaft (25?), mounted on a spring-loaded parallelogram style mount (customized by me). Sorry no pics because the boat is in Belize and I?m not.
Dana LeTendre
Caye Dreams
Sent from my iPad
????????
On Sep 11, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
?Hey Ric,
To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start.
It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram type
mount. This is for Enosis I over in Greece.
The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp
Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in
Smithsonian quality.
It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this week.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis I
Red Rhodes
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Rhodes
> How long is your shaft?
> Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.
> I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:
> 1. HP
> 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25?
> 3. Motor mount type
> Ex. GB original/ manual
> GB original electric
> GB converted E to M or M to E
> 3rd party parallelogram type
> Custom.
> Currently I have
> 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc
> 2. 25?
> 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with
> Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned.
>
> I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any
> associated photos with replies.
> I?ll report findings to da list.
> Ric
> Sv Dadventure
> Hampton Bays NY
> Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:34:43 -0400
From: Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Ric, I took the broken starboard parts to a machine shop and they replicated
Same thickness , so it should have a lot more strength and regidity. The
existing spacers (the gray plastic ) I re used.
Good Luck. Let us know what you end up doing
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 10:24 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey Ric,
> To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start.
> It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram type
> mount. This is for Enosis I over in Greece.
> The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp
> Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in
> Smithsonian quality.
> It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this week.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis I
> Red Rhodes
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rhodes
> > How long is your shaft?
> > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.
> > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:
> > 1. HP
> > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25?
> > 3. Motor mount type
> > Ex. GB original/ manual
> > GB original electric
> > GB converted E to M or M to E
> > 3rd party parallelogram type
> > Custom.
> > Currently I have
> > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc
> > 2. 25?
> > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with
> > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned.
> >
> > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any
> > associated photos with replies.
> > I?ll report findings to da list.
> > Ric
> > Sv Dadventure
> > Hampton Bays NY
> > Sent from my iPhone
>
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 10:51:10 -0400
From: Richard Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from
Lake Manawa
Message-ID:
<A2697913-CDF8-4127-BA7B-BCBF300FE67D at stottarchitecture.com>
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I doubt the sail shrunk.
It looks to me like your jib is attached higher, near the masthead so the foot is also higher.
I think it might be possible to lower the whole sail on the fuller tube. - If you want to.
Pros & cons.
Richard Stott, AIA, LEED AP
www.stottarchitecture.com
Office 631-283-1777
Cell 516-965-3164
> On Sep 10, 2020, at 9:40 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing.
> Chris G
> Enosis
>
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing
>> my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some photos
>> of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not qualify
>> as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for
>> sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now
>> hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's
>> always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there
>> was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the seminar
>> involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the crowd
>> favorite!
>>
>> Jesse Shumaker
>> S/V Zephyr
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 09:51:42 -0500
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Interesting to see the varieties.
I forgot.to mention, I have not seen any issues with the prop getting
airborne yet.
Here is another photo.
IMG_2955.jpg
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/1p9JjnWUtfLoFYtSETGEJayUtQdtzLt-H/view?usp=drivesdk>
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 9:34 AM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ric, I took the broken starboard parts to a machine shop and they
> replicated
> Same thickness , so it should have a lot more strength and regidity. The
> existing spacers (the gray plastic ) I re used.
> Good Luck. Let us know what you end up doing
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2020, 10:24 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Ric,
> > To quote Alex "I have a 2006 Tohatsu 8 HP with electric start.
> > It?s a 20" shaft, and it?s mounted on a " spring loaded parallelogram
> type
> > mount. This is for Enosis I over in Greece.
> > The boat here in the US that I just bought has an amazing 20" 1986 6 hp
> > Johnson Seahorse that the mechanic said had 20 hours on it and was in
> > Smithsonian quality.
> > It is mounted on a GB electric lift that I hope to get working this
> week.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis I
> > Red Rhodes
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 8:46 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Rhodes
> > > How long is your shaft?
> > > Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.
> > > I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:
> > > 1. HP
> > > 2. Shaft length- 20? or 25?
> > > 3. Motor mount type
> > > Ex. GB original/ manual
> > > GB original electric
> > > GB converted E to M or M to E
> > > 3rd party parallelogram type
> > > Custom.
> > > Currently I have
> > > 1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc
> > > 2. 25?
> > > 3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type
> with
> > > Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned.
> > >
> > > I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any
> > > associated photos with replies.
> > > I?ll report findings to da list.
> > > Ric
> > > Sv Dadventure
> > > Hampton Bays NY
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> >
>
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:05:41 +0000
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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9.9hp electric start
20"
GB mount with electric winch raising system.
2003 model year.
It's a high thrust motor which I don't care for. Can't motor slow enough in close quarters. I'm thinking of finding a smaller prop to reduce the thrust but have not done it yet.
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 8:47 AM
To: Email List The <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
Dear Rhodes
How long is your shaft?
Don?t be offended - it?s nothing too personal.
I?d like to survey Rhodes owners to learn the most common outboard:
1. HP
2. Shaft length- 20? or 25?
3. Motor mount type
Ex. GB original/ manual
GB original electric
GB converted E to M or M to E
3rd party parallelogram type
Custom.
Currently I have
1. ?99 - 8 hp 2 stroke Merc
2. 25?
3. Temp. West marine 16? parallelogram type. Original ?84 rail type with Delrin sliders to be re-commissioned.
I can?t send pics because I?m a Mac user but would appreciate any associated photos with replies.
I?ll report findings to da list.
Ric
Sv Dadventure
Hampton Bays NY
Sent from my iPhone
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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:18:36 +0000
From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Michael,
On your motor, I see you have a safety chain attached. Do you lock your motor? I've got a padlock I use on mine. If you align the black 'ears' on the motor mount tightening bolts you can get lock on them. Having had a motor taken off my boat, while it was in the marina, I now make sure mine stays locked. Just a thought.
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 9:48 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
Yamaha F6MLHD
6 HP, 4-stroke
Shaft 22.1"
GB 6:1 1991 Manual (thin slot, not U-channel)
87 lbs
2 pics attached
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:27:07 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
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Rob,
I never thought about running the lock through the black ears. Belts and suspenders?
Currently, the lock connecting the safety chain is run through the safety restraint bracket as called out in the manual (see attached). With tools, one could unbolt the bracket, but then, the chain is run through the stern rail which can also be removed with tools.
Wind Lass is on a mooring making it difficult to remove an 87 lbs. engine and transport it to land. It's a 2005, although it runs perfectly, now that I cleaned and rebuilt the carb. The idle jet was probably clogged as long as I have owned it (2011) since it would not idle without stalling previously. Now, it purrs. Changing gears is a dream. I no longer fight with the throttle-shift interlock and tight quarters maneuvering is simple. I would miss her if stolen. That's what insurance is for, I suppose.
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 12:19 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Survey
Michael,
On your motor, I see you have a safety chain attached. Do you lock your motor? I've got a padlock I use on mine. If you align the black 'ears' on the motor mount tightening bolts you can get lock on them. Having had a motor taken off my boat, while it was in the marina, I now make sure mine stays locked. Just a thought.
Rob
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 13:39:01 -0400
From: Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat
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Michael,
My boat did not come with a traveler, although it likely had one in the
past. I did buy a new traveler from Stan but I probably won't install it
until I remove the wheel and pedestal. Since I often stand behind the wheel
on the lazarette hatch when steering, having a line running between the
boom and backstays would be awkward. My head is above the level of the boom
so I'd be ducking frequently.
Currently there is a block-and-tackle for the main sheet which is attached
to a short line that terminates on the cockpit sole just forward of the
wheel pedestal. I have to reach around the wheel to adjust the main sheet.
There's actually a Lewmar rope clutch mounted to the top of the wheel
pedestal that may have been for the main sheet at some point but it doesn't
work with the current rigging.
Mark
Boston, MA
2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
On Wed, Sep 9, 2020 at 11:53 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:
> Do you have a traveler? Is it connected to the wheel pedestal?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mark Whipple
> Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2020 10:34 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wheel and stern squat
>
> Since I seem to be one of the only (THE only?) R22 with a wheel, here's
> another picture. The boat actually cam with two wheels, and I switched to
> the bigger one last week. It's much better for me because I don't have to
> lean down to hold the wheel, and I can easily reach it from the captain's
> chairs. Unlike the one that was installed on the boat when I got it, this
> one is wrapped with something like leather (elk skin maybe?) and two sides
> fold in if you want a little more room at anchor.
>
> That reminds me of another question: as nice as the captain's chairs are,
> do you find that they tend to push the boat down at the stern even when not
> motoring? I'm inclined to remove the wheel anyway, but I'm thinking with a
> tiller extension I could sit a little more forward in the cockpit to
> balance the weight a bit more fore and aft. What are your
> thoughts/experiences?
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> --
> Boston, MA
>
> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> 1987 Nimble 30 *For Sale*
> 1982 Com-Pac 16 *For Sale*
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:50:16 -0400
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from
Lake Manawa
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On 9/10/20 7:35 PM, S/V Lark wrote:
> Interesting. My Bucc has an aluminum CG approved plate riveted to the CB
> trunk (now banged and worn to illegibility) stating a capacity of six
> people and 6? hp maximum outboard. It?s physically possible to get that
> many people on her but I wouldn?t recommend it. Six HP would be silly
> hanging off a 500# boat. I wondered how Stan avoided having a similar
> fiction posted in the R-22. Sailboatdata shows a first build date of 1968
> for both.
>
> Nice photos. Your jib seems cut higher then mine, allowing more overlap
> for a similar sail area. Have you flown other jibs to see if that creates
> a better slot with the main?
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
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Message: 20
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 19:56:14 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from
Lake Manawa
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Hi Jessie,
As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous.
A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like pretty light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the leech on your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get the twist out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward and tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa?s leech can be cured by moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you may have it too tight.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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From: Chris Geankoplis<mailto:chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2020 9:40 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake Manawa
Lovely day there. Thanks for sharing.
Chris G
Enosis
On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 5:01 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> After taking photos of many of my friends' boats in action (while sailing
> my boat), one of my sailing buddies returned the favor and took some photos
> of mine so I thought I would share. While my local puddle does not qualify
> as prime sailing grounds, it is convenient and we had a great day for
> sailing. My friend who was out sailing with me for the first time is now
> hooked and asked when he can go again next (answer: this Saturday!) It's
> always nice to introduce more people to sailing. One other note - there
> was a women's sailing seminar at our club recently and part of the seminar
> involved a tour of the cruisers at our club. Our Rhodes 22 was the crowd
> favorite!
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:18:31 -0400
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from
Lake Manawa
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I showed the photos to a friend who would like to buy a Rhodes 22. He turned
to me and said, "Why don't your sails look like those? They're much prettier
with the curled edge making it look like a real sailboat. Also, you can see
completely under the genoa. You don't have to look through the silly little
window. I want my boat to have sails like those."
Hmmm ... I think that he's right. They are more picturesque than the way
that I learned to trim sails.
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:56 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake
Manawa
Hi Jessie,
As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the
other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous.
A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like pretty
light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the leech on
your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get the twist
out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward and
tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa's leech can be cured by
moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you may have it
too tight.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 16:40:38 -0400
From: Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from
Lake Manawa
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Hey everyone. I don?t mean to hijack Jessie?s awesome boat pics thread, but
Roger and Mike?s comments about sail trim have me intrigued and I?m
wondering if you would share some more of your sail trim wisdom with me.
When I took sailing classes a year or so ago I remember we talked about the
points of sail, but can't recall ever covering sail trim when actually out
on the water. I assumed the curve in the sails was supposed to be there.
Mike Riter
SV Emma B
On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 4:18 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:
> I showed the photos to a friend who would like to buy a Rhodes 22. He
> turned
>
> to me and said, "Why don't your sails look like those? They're much
> prettier
>
> with the curled edge making it look like a real sailboat. Also, you can see
>
> completely under the genoa. You don't have to look through the silly little
>
> window. I want my boat to have sails like those."
>
>
>
> Hmmm ... I think that he's right. They are more picturesque than the way
>
> that I learned to trim sails.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> ROGER
>
> PIHLAJA
>
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2020 3:56 PM
>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 Labor Day weekend sailing photos from Lake
>
> Manawa
>
>
>
> Hi Jessie,
>
>
>
> As I look at S/V Dynamic Equilibrium sitting on its trailer and look the
>
> other way at my now drained Sanford Lake, I am soooo jealous.
>
>
>
> A couple of sail trimming tips, for a close reach in what looks like pretty
>
> light air, your mainsail has a lot of twist in the top half and the leech
> on
>
> your genoa is curled. Without battens, you may not be able to get the
> twist
>
> out of the mainsail. I would try moving the traveler to leeward and
>
> tightening up the mainsheet. The curl on the genoa's leech can be cured by
>
> moving the sheet lead aft. If your genoa has a leech cord, you may have it
>
> too tight.
>
>
>
> Roger Pihlaja
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
>
>
> --
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021
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