[Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer

Tue Sep 15 15:20:57 EDT 2020

I am glad to read this exchange as I am hoping to get to Stan’s next month and bring home a winter project. I haven’t done any highway towing for a long time. The last thing I need is swaying at those speeds. Thanks all.
Scott A.

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> On Sep 15, 2020, at 9:48 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> 
> I just measured my tongue weight at 343 lbs using a digital bathroom scale under the tongue jack.
> 
> Remember, if you build some sort of bracket for your outboard on the tongue and stow it up there, you will get a much greater increase on tongue weight vs. just removing the motor from the transom.  Just this one change would get you pretty close to where you should be.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
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> 
> From: Graham Stewart<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 9:41 AM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> 
> Roger:
> I am going to remove the motor and check the tongue weight again to see what
> the difference is. I am thinking that the standard old Rhodes 22, motor and
> trailer would weigh about 3200 lbs so the tongue weight should be at least
> 320 lbs - which seems like a lot to me.
> 
> If anyone knows their tongue weight it might be helpful to me and others if
> they post it to da list.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2020 8:54 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> 
> Graham,
> 
> Given everything you've tried that didn't work, I am left with suggesting
> your bunks need to be moved forward.  It doesn't need to be much, probably
> only a couple of inches.  By any chance, could you move the bunk supports
> from the aft side of the trailer crossmembers to the front side?  If the
> bunk supports are already on the front side of the crossmembers; then, you
> will have to fabricate spacers and use longer grade 8 bolts to move the
> bunks forward.  The general rule of thumb is that you should have => 10% of
> the trailer weight on the tongue for high speed stability.  Your trailer is
> way short of that.  My wife won't let me have the excitement of having the
> boat & trailer start to wag the tow vehicle on the expressway!
> 
> Some other solutions would be to remove weight from the stern, like removing
> the outboard and stowing it on the tongue.  You could always tow with a full
> water tank &/or move everything from the lazarette compartment to the
> V-berth.  But, all these solutions add time and royal PITA factor to rigging
> and unrigging.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
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> 
> From: Graham Stewart<mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 10:29 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> 
> Now that I compare the picture of my boat with that of Optopian it seems
> that it is just as far forward so maybe it isn't as bad as I thought.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Graham Stewart
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 9:45 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> 
> I am one of those who has never been able to get my boat sufficiently
> forward on the trailer. When I winch in the boat at the launch ramp the bow
> eye goes under the bow brace even when it is fully retracted. As a result I
> can't pull the boat in all the way.
> 
> After leaving the ramp on to level ground of the boat the bow moves up
> putting enormous pressure on the front of the boat. If I relieve the strain
> on the winch the bow of the boat moves up and back. I took a picture of the
> winch and brace after retrieving the boat today and attach it here. I also
> weighed the tongue with the motor still on the transom. I think it should be
> heavier that 140 lbs.
> 
> Any suggestions would be welcome.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2020 11:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> 
> Tom,
> First off, sorry about your mishaps.   I've done the same thing sort of.
> Set the keel down on the guide bunks and broke one.
> 
> Your need to get the support welded.  Make sure they weld it at the same
> angle as it was.  I think they angle out a bit and the guy who welded mine
> made it vertical, which meant the keel no long would fit between the boards.
> I ended up replacing the 2 inch boards with 1 inch boards so the keel would
> fit.
> 
> Now to get the boat centered, I 'think' it was Stan that shared this wisdom.
> Leave your centerboard down when retrieving.  The centerboard will help
> guide the boat into position on the trailer.  Once centered and winched in ,
> PULL THE BOARD BACK UP.  Does anyone else do it this way? It sure works for
> me.
> 
> Rob
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom
> Van Heule
> Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2020 12:31 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Almost perfect as can be - trailer
> 
> Today I went to the up a launch lane to practice retrieval and launching our
> boat Octopian. In the morning I had about negative 80lbs tounge weight, the
> aft port window centered above the axle.  Rudder and 8hp 4 stroke on the
> back. Mast down on the crutch and attached to the bow pulpit. Single axle.
> 
> Now see where the aft port is related to the axle.
> We have about 120lbs of tounge weight now! Pulled remarkedly better.
> 
> You may ask yourself.... Why almost perfect then?
> We cracked one of the keel alignment bunks :(
> 
> Let's share our tips for getting her just right in the bunks? I don't see a
> lot of retrieval or launching threads on the archive.
> 
> I found that winching her tight before de-floating, with the stem crotch
> full retracted worked perfect.
> Just make sure you give her time to settle in the bunk, it's not a tractor
> pull...
> 
> Hope everyone had a great weekend.
> Tom
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