[Rhodes22-list] Unbolted track

[Rick Lange]

Use your winch for the spring line.  It is strong and the line goes on and
off easily.


On Mon, Jul 26, 2021 at 10:28 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> It was being used as a spring line when it broke track
>
> > On Jul 26, 2021, at 9:50 AM, Lewin <lewin at mail.com> wrote:
> >
> > If a track mounted cleat were only used for bow and stern spring lines
> would it be less likely to fail?
> >
> > ------------------
> > Bernard
> >
> >
> > On Jul 25, 2021, at 9:27 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > I only posted because there were previous posts about mounting cleats
> on the track. I have no complaints about the boat and enjoy everything
> about it.  I know now, the hard way, not to mount cleats on the tracks and
> wanted to make others aware. I will repair and continue on enjoying
> everything about the boat. No disrespect was intended, Stan, and I will
> continue to appreciate everything you did to create this incredible boat.
> >
> >> On Jul 25, 2021, at 6:47 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >> My O my, I am flattered when those Rhodies who praise the Rhodes
> engineering get pleasure out of finding what they think is a flaw.
> >>
> >> In the Rhodes 50 plus years, I have not heard of a single genoa track
> pull off - when used for what it was designed to do; carry the load of the
> giant 175 genoa sheets. That load is carried by a great number of machine
> screws; more than sufficient to carry the shear loading placed on them.  Of
> course Todd did not mean they should be bolted on to the gel coat.  But I
> think his comment that "I've found more than a few questionable things
> which needed to be properly "re"engineered." is gratuitously disingenuous.
> Personally my over the hill engineering mind would think it silly to mount
> docking cleats to genoa tracks. Even if those tracks had long enough
> machine screw passing all the way through the outerside of the hull and had
> fender washers and lock nuts on them, those shiftable docking cleats would
> distort the thin edges of the genoa tracks making the genoa cars a chore or
> even impossible to adjust.
> >> If you want to put on docking cleats, mount them to the boat proper.
> You want a spring line cleat, don't use it for a docking cleat.  You want a
> boat engineered for docking? Have I got a boat to sell you. No hands, no
> straps, just three little docking eyes. See attachment. Guaranteed to hold
> for any winds. Just stop putting moving docking cleats where they are not
> invited to go.
> >>
> >> stan
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On 7/25/21 12:00 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> >>> I found that there are no nuts or nut plates, just curious if anyone
> else had a similar situation.
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jul 25, 2021, at 11:47 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Those are machine screws. There should be nuts underneath or nut
> plates
> >>>>> embedded in the rail under the gelcoat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> But it wouldn't surprise me if the machine screws were just threaded
> into
> >>>>> wood or even threaded into epoxy. I've found more than a few
> questionable
> >>>>> things which needed to be properly "re"engineered.
> >>>>> Let us know what you find once you dig into this problem.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Todd T.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 11:10 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi Thomas,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Would you prefer gelcoat damage?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Never mount a dockline holding cleat without a backing plate.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rick Lange
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 11:02 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> >>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anyone else notice that the jib track is just put in without
> bolts.  I
> >>>>>> added cleat to track which was yanked out in high winds.
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