From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 07:39:38 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 07:39:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
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Roger, let me add my best wishes for a full and speedy recovery.  If I remember correctly, today is the day you go into the hospital.  We will all be awaiting the next report and praying for a successful outcome.

Frank
S/V ?Mary Bess,? 1985/2001 Rhodes 22
Asheville, NC and Lake Keowee, SC


> On May 31, 2021, at 11:31 PM, daysails--- via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Roger,I want to add my best wishes that this all becomes a story ?to dine out on? very soon.  I look forward to your reading your next adventure episode.Joe RileySecond WindLake Hartwell >> 
> 


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Tue Jun  1 10:20:52 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 10:20:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
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Roger,
Certainly not the kind of adventure you were hoping for. Wishing you the 
best possible outcome and a speedy recovery from the procedures.

Mary Lou & Fred

On 5/30/2021 1:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, 2021.  This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip.  We were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks in order to cover the miles between islands.  The sea kayaks would be used to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago.  We were going to back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands.  These High Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years.  We do something different every year.  There is an article in the Rhodes 22 archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the middle of Lake Michigan many years ago.
>
> I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on my cardiac rehab.  Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting better.   I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid heat beat).  Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, isn?t working for me anymore.  So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital.  They are going to hook me up to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn.  They will try to establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping my heart.
>
> Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure.  This is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in the right groin.  They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart.  They also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the bronchial tubes split off to each lung.  On the operating table, you are lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate.  This gives the surgical team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is inside the heart.  Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even malignant tumors.  The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it beats.  Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling your car engine while it?s in the car and running!  Some issues they can fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which would have to be scheduled in the future.  This is supposed to be a 1 day in & out procedure.  But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing them to keep me overnight.  I was coughing up blood for a week!  So, in a nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out what?s wrong with me.  It will be a different doctor, which I requested in order to get a second opinion.  It wasn?t easy to get our medical insurance to approve this; but, I insisted.
>
> in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote area like the Apostle Islands.  I would need to be able to paddle my sea kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not confident in my ability to do that.  Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned at all, would be hours away.   We all still have those days in July off.  If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous and closer to home.  Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely support my decision.  There?s always next year, right?
>
> I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend.  I had a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the hospital next Tuesday.  Stay tuned.  Please keep me in your prayers.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
>
>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jun  1 11:02:29 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 11:02:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
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Roger,

Your are in our thoughts for a total and speedy recovery.

I am sure that you will return to full sail (and paddling) again soon.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 1:47 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled

Hi All,

As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take a
grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, 2021.
This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip.  We were
going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks in
order to cover the miles between islands.  The sea kayaks would be used to
explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many uninhabited
islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago.  We were going to back country
beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands.  These High Adventure Trips
are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years.  We do something
different every year.  There is an article in the Rhodes 22 archives about
another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the middle of Lake
Michigan many years ago.

I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on
my cardiac rehab.  Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting better.
I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid heat beat).
Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, isn't working for
me anymore.  So, on June 1st, I'm scheduled for a 3 day stay in the Cardiac
Unit at Midland Hospital.  They are going to hook me up to cardiac monitors
and try a new drug called Tikosyn.  They will try to establish an
appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping my heart.

Then, on June 10th, I'm scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures Unit
at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure.  This is
another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in the
right groin.  They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in the
groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart.  They also
insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the bronchial
tubes split off to each lung.  On the operating table, you are lying on top
of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate.  This gives the surgical team a real
time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is inside the
heart.  Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any congenital
defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, plaque
build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even malignant
tumors.  The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which they will use
to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it beats.  Some of
these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling your car engine
while it's in the car and running!  Some issues they can fix immediately and
other issues will require open heart surgery, which would have to be
scheduled in the future.  This is supposed to be a 1 day in & out procedure.
But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a similar laparoscopic
procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing them to keep me
overnight.  I was coughing up blood for a week!  So, in a nutshell, this is
going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out what's wrong with me.
It will be a different doctor, which I requested in order to get a second
opinion.  It wasn't easy to get our medical insurance to approve this; but,
I insisted.

in my present condition, I just don't feel comfortable going to a remote
area like the Apostle Islands.  I would need to be able to paddle my sea
kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I'm not confident
in my ability to do that.  Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned
at all, would be hours away.   We all still have those days in July off.  If
I'm feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous and
closer to home.  Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely
support my decision.  There's always next year, right?

I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend.  I had a
COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the
hospital next Tuesday.  Stay tuned.  Please keep me in your prayers.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium





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From mike at traildesign.com  Tue Jun  1 12:53:11 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 12:53:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling line tensioner
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Todd, you may have missed the drama from GB on the forum when I posted the
links to the video on the forum. I was promptly accused by an employee of
GB of trying to subvert $$ away from GB through my evil corporate
machinations. Mike Wiesner (sp?) intervened and they apologised. I'm sure
the whole drama is in the archives.

Moving on from that, here are the links for the video of the furler
tensioner mounted on the boat and how it works:
https://youtu.be/wwsH9xFgWYU
https://youtu.be/NQTuE34GOKE

All the metal parts on it are 316 ss. Each side of the tensioner rollers
have a set screw to change the tension on the line. The initial set up
takes a few minutes to get the tension the way you want it, but allows for
a range of line sizes. I started with a 3/16" diameter line in it then
changed to 1/4". It only took a few minutes to change the tension on the
rollers to accommodate the larger line size. One change that will be
implemented in the final iteration is to add a spring under the set screw
on one side so the tensioner can be pushed open with your fingers to allow
easier insertion of the line during rigging if you trailer sail like I do.

I talked to my machinist friend and he's still interested in making some
for you all. He's working on a price. He's retired and machining is a hobby
for him so he responds kinda slowly. Anyone who is interested, send me a pm
at mike at traildesign.com

Michael Riter
SV EmmaB



On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 10:44 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have used a homemade roller furler control line tensioner solution for
> 25+ years.  The 1st image is from www.defendercom<http://www.defendercom>
> :
>
> [cid:image002.png at 01D752E5.314346C0]
> This off-the-shelf piece of hardware is a C.S. Johnson Roller Furling Bail
> (Johnson P/N: 40-505).  It?s designed to be mounted on the base of the
> lifeline stanchions, just above the toe rail.  You mount one on each
> stanchion from the bow back to the cockpit.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has 4
> such stanchions.  At the stanchion in the front of the cockpit, you replace
> the simple fairlead with this piece of off-the shelf hardware, (Harken P/N:
> 239) also available from www.defender.com
>
> [cid:image005.png at 01D752E5.314346C0]
> The following picture from the Rhodes-22 archives shows how my roller
> furling control line is routed thru a block on a stand-up spring and then
> along the toe rail back to the cockpit:
>
> [cid:image007.jpg at 01D752E3.64CB0700]
>
> Note how the block only changes the direction of the roller furler control
> line by a few degrees.  Similarly, as the control line passes thru the
> fairleads on each lifeline stanchion, the curvature of the foredeck causes
> the control line to change direction slightly at each stanchion.  This
> slight change of direction at each fairlead is the key.  Slightly changing
> direction 5 times introduces just enough friction into the system to absorb
> the kinetic energy and keep slight tension on the control line in order to
> prevent a snarl on the furling drum.  When unfurling the genoa, you can
> literally just let go of the control line and this passive system will
> control the line tension all by itself!  I haven?t had a snarled control
> line in over 25 years.  It just works!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 8:27 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling line tensioner
>
> Mike, the tensioner is a great idea.  I suspect many of us might be
> interested if your friend would be up for doing a bulk run of those.  Would
> just need to know what the cost would be (I'm guessing that would depend on
> the volume).  What size line do you use for the furler?
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:13 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jeff.
> > I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I'm not marketing any
> products. I
> > needed a better mousetrap for my furling line and worked with a friend of
> > mine who is an engineer and machinist to come up with the item I showed
> > everyone on the forum. I've had the prototype on the boat for a year now
> > and it continues to work very well. The only thing I didn't like is
> having
> > to loosen the tensioner to thread the line through it when I rigged. But
> it
> > turned out to not be such a big deal after I marked the spot to
> re-tension
> > after I set up the boat.
> >
> > I think he would be happy to make another one for anyone who wants one,
> but
> > this isn't something we're doing for profit. I'm just another Rhodie with
> > an overactive imagination.
> >
> > Michael Riter
> > SV Emma B.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 2:26 PM JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > To Mike Riter,
> > > Last year you showed a tensioner that you wer considering marketing.
> Did
> > > the
> > > marketing part come to fruition?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > Jeff Smith
> > > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > >
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From forg3d at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 14:35:24 2021
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 11:35:24 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
In-Reply-To: <f8c33aca-f0b1-b1ab-ab75-b82ea7655755@atlanticbb.net>
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Message-ID: <CA75E7D7-E67C-412A-AA48-78F806FCD557@gmail.com>

Wishing you a fast and easy recovery and back to the helm soon!

> On Jun 1, 2021, at 7:20 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> Roger,
> Certainly not the kind of adventure you were hoping for. Wishing you the
> best possible outcome and a speedy recovery from the procedures.
> 
> Mary Lou & Fred
> 
> On 5/30/2021 1:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take a grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, 2021.  This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip.  We were going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks in order to cover the miles between islands.  The sea kayaks would be used to explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many uninhabited islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago.  We were going to back country beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands.  These High Adventure Trips are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years.  We do something different every year.  There is an article in the Rhodes 22 archives about another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the middle of Lake Michigan many years ago.
>> 
>> I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on my cardiac rehab.  Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting better.   I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid heat beat).  Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, isn?t working for me anymore.  So, on June 1st, I?m scheduled for a 3 day stay in the Cardiac Unit at Midland Hospital.  They are going to hook me up to cardiac monitors and try a new drug called Tikosyn.  They will try to establish an appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping my heart.
>> 
>> Then, on June 10th, I?m scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures Unit at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure.  This is another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in the right groin.  They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in the groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart.  They also insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the bronchial tubes split off to each lung.  On the operating table, you are lying on top of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate.  This gives the surgical team a real time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is inside the heart.  Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any congenital defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, plaque build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even malignant tumors.  The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which they will use to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it beats.  Some of these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling your car engine while it?s in the car and running!  Some issues they can fix immediately and other issues will require open heart surgery, which would have to be scheduled in the future.  This is supposed to be a 1 day in & out procedure.  But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a similar laparoscopic procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing them to keep me overnight.  I was coughing up blood for a week!  So, in a nutshell, this is going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out what?s wrong with me.  It will be a different doctor, which I requested in order to get a second opinion.  It wasn?t easy to get our medical insurance to approve this; but, I insisted.
>> 
>> in my present condition, I just don?t feel comfortable going to a remote area like the Apostle Islands.  I would need to be able to paddle my sea kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I?m not confident in my ability to do that.  Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned at all, would be hours away.   We all still have those days in July off.  If I?m feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous and closer to home.  Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely support my decision.  There?s always next year, right?
>> 
>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend.  I had a COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the hospital next Tuesday.  Stay tuned.  Please keep me in your prayers.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 15:05:19 2021
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 14:05:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling line tensioner
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Mike
I'd be interested in getting one
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota
Cell: 410-499-8922


On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 11:53 AM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> Todd, you may have missed the drama from GB on the forum when I posted the
> links to the video on the forum. I was promptly accused by an employee of
> GB of trying to subvert $$ away from GB through my evil corporate
> machinations. Mike Wiesner (sp?) intervened and they apologised. I'm sure
> the whole drama is in the archives.
>
> Moving on from that, here are the links for the video of the furler
> tensioner mounted on the boat and how it works:
> https://youtu.be/wwsH9xFgWYU
> https://youtu.be/NQTuE34GOKE
>
> All the metal parts on it are 316 ss. Each side of the tensioner rollers
> have a set screw to change the tension on the line. The initial set up
> takes a few minutes to get the tension the way you want it, but allows for
> a range of line sizes. I started with a 3/16" diameter line in it then
> changed to 1/4". It only took a few minutes to change the tension on the
> rollers to accommodate the larger line size. One change that will be
> implemented in the final iteration is to add a spring under the set screw
> on one side so the tensioner can be pushed open with your fingers to allow
> easier insertion of the line during rigging if you trailer sail like I do.
>
> I talked to my machinist friend and he's still interested in making some
> for you all. He's working on a price. He's retired and machining is a hobby
> for him so he responds kinda slowly. Anyone who is interested, send me a pm
> at mike at traildesign.com
>
> Michael Riter
> SV EmmaB
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 10:44 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have used a homemade roller furler control line tensioner solution for
> > 25+ years.  The 1st image is from www.defendercom<http://www.defendercom
> >
> > :
> >
> > [cid:image002.png at 01D752E5.314346C0]
> > This off-the-shelf piece of hardware is a C.S. Johnson Roller Furling
> Bail
> > (Johnson P/N: 40-505).  It?s designed to be mounted on the base of the
> > lifeline stanchions, just above the toe rail.  You mount one on each
> > stanchion from the bow back to the cockpit.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has
> 4
> > such stanchions.  At the stanchion in the front of the cockpit, you
> replace
> > the simple fairlead with this piece of off-the shelf hardware, (Harken
> P/N:
> > 239) also available from www.defender.com
> >
> > [cid:image005.png at 01D752E5.314346C0]
> > The following picture from the Rhodes-22 archives shows how my roller
> > furling control line is routed thru a block on a stand-up spring and then
> > along the toe rail back to the cockpit:
> >
> > [cid:image007.jpg at 01D752E3.64CB0700]
> >
> > Note how the block only changes the direction of the roller furler
> control
> > line by a few degrees.  Similarly, as the control line passes thru the
> > fairleads on each lifeline stanchion, the curvature of the foredeck
> causes
> > the control line to change direction slightly at each stanchion.  This
> > slight change of direction at each fairlead is the key.  Slightly
> changing
> > direction 5 times introduces just enough friction into the system to
> absorb
> > the kinetic energy and keep slight tension on the control line in order
> to
> > prevent a snarl on the furling drum.  When unfurling the genoa, you can
> > literally just let go of the control line and this passive system will
> > control the line tension all by itself!  I haven?t had a snarled control
> > line in over 25 years.  It just works!
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > Windows 10
> >
> > From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 8:27 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling line tensioner
> >
> > Mike, the tensioner is a great idea.  I suspect many of us might be
> > interested if your friend would be up for doing a bulk run of those.
> Would
> > just need to know what the cost would be (I'm guessing that would depend
> on
> > the volume).  What size line do you use for the furler?
> >
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
> > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:13 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Jeff.
> > > I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. I'm not marketing any
> > products. I
> > > needed a better mousetrap for my furling line and worked with a friend
> of
> > > mine who is an engineer and machinist to come up with the item I showed
> > > everyone on the forum. I've had the prototype on the boat for a year
> now
> > > and it continues to work very well. The only thing I didn't like is
> > having
> > > to loosen the tensioner to thread the line through it when I rigged.
> But
> > it
> > > turned out to not be such a big deal after I marked the spot to
> > re-tension
> > > after I set up the boat.
> > >
> > > I think he would be happy to make another one for anyone who wants one,
> > but
> > > this isn't something we're doing for profit. I'm just another Rhodie
> with
> > > an overactive imagination.
> > >
> > > Michael Riter
> > > SV Emma B.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 2:26 PM JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > To Mike Riter,
> > > > Last year you showed a tensioner that you wer considering marketing.
> > Did
> > > > the
> > > > marketing part come to fruition?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----
> > > > Jeff Smith
> > > > 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT
> > > > Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> > > > Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > > >
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From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 16:55:17 2021
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (bobfcohen at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 16:55:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB692014D12EB572F985820E0E80209@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB692014D12EB572F985820E0E80209@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <014401d75728$6dd87690$498963b0$@gmail.com>

Hi Roger -

I am familiar with some of those cardiac procedures and their perils.  Some
years ago I had a heart attack followed by a catheterization which disclosed
multiple blocked arteries and led to open heart surgery.   Then some months
after that I had additional chest discomfort (never the "classic" chest
pains) and went back to the hospital for another cardiac catheterization .
In doing the probe, the cardiologist inadvertently dislodged a piece of
plaque which migrated through my vascular system and resulted in a brain
stem stroke.  My vision was messed up for about a year, but finally came
back.  The body is amazing and modern medicine can do wonders, but sometimes
bad things happen.  

You are wise to postpone your trip.  I am a relatively new Rhodes 22 owner,
and stand in awe of you and others on the List.  My boat "Silver Bay" is
docked in Onekama, Michigan on Portage Lake, which is about 125 miles from
Midland.    If you would like to go sailing with us this summer, you would
be very welcome.  We are fully vaccinated.  My wife and I  actually live in
Morgantown, West Virginia, and will be going to our "Up North" house the
third week of June, with a tentative launch date of June 21.  We had
problems with the IMF last summer (as Jesse Shumaker knows from when he
visited in the fall and helped us) but hopefully they will be resolved.   If
you are interested in visiting and sailing on Silver Bay, you can email me
at bobfcohen at gmail.com to work out details.

I hope things are going well in your three-day stay which starts today and
that the cardiac cath procedure on June 10 will be successful and bring your
A-fib back under control.

Bob Cohen


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 1:47 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled

Hi All,

As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take a
grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, 2021.
This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip.  We were
going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks in
order to cover the miles between islands.  The sea kayaks would be used to
explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many uninhabited
islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago.  We were going to back country
beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands.  These High Adventure Trips
are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years.  We do something
different every year.  There is an article in the Rhodes 22 archives about
another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the middle of Lake
Michigan many years ago.

I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on
my cardiac rehab.  Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting better.
I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid heat beat).
Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, isn't working for
me anymore.  So, on June 1st, I'm scheduled for a 3 day stay in the Cardiac
Unit at Midland Hospital.  They are going to hook me up to cardiac monitors
and try a new drug called Tikosyn.  They will try to establish an
appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping my heart.

Then, on June 10th, I'm scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures Unit
at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure.  This is
another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in the
right groin.  They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in the
groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart.  They also
insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the bronchial
tubes split off to each lung.  On the operating table, you are lying on top
of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate.  This gives the surgical team a real
time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is inside the
heart.  Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any congenital
defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, plaque
build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even malignant
tumors.  The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which they will use
to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it beats.  Some of
these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling your car engine
while it's in the car and running!  Some issues they can fix immediately and
other issues will require open heart surgery, which would have to be
scheduled in the future.  This is supposed to be a 1 day in & out procedure.
But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a similar laparoscopic
procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing them to keep me
overnight.  I was coughing up blood for a week!  So, in a nutshell, this is
going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out what's wrong with me.
It will be a different doctor, which I requested in order to get a second
opinion.  It wasn't easy to get our medical insurance to approve this; but,
I insisted.

in my present condition, I just don't feel comfortable going to a remote
area like the Apostle Islands.  I would need to be able to paddle my sea
kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I'm not confident
in my ability to do that.  Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned
at all, would be hours away.   We all still have those days in July off.  If
I'm feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous and
closer to home.  Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely
support my decision.  There's always next year, right?

I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend.  I had a
COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the
hospital next Tuesday.  Stay tuned.  Please keep me in your prayers.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium





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From cklang at aol.com  Tue Jun  1 17:14:35 2021
From: cklang at aol.com (Cynthia Lang)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 21:14:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4350, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1439.1622547582.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.1439.1622547582.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <1528101874.2498356.1622582075199@mail.yahoo.com>

Does anyone on the list have recommendations for docking or mooring on the Jersey Shore? If docking, is there a potential for overnighting and electric? We keep our boat at Bristol Yacht Club (Bristol, PA) on the Delaware River, but the Jersey Shore might be a cooler alternative for the summer months. I know that such facilities exist at Atlantic City, but we would prefer a location north of there, perhaps Asbury Park, Belmar, etc.? Also, if anyone on the list would like to meet up on the Delaware, there are very nice free public docks at Bristol with restaurants within easy walking distance (no overnighting at the free docks though). They are located on the 56 mile Delaware Water Trail: https://www.tidaltrail.org/

Thanks,Cynthia

From liznray15 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 20:18:14 2021
From: liznray15 at gmail.com (Liz and Ray)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 20:18:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4350, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <1528101874.2498356.1622582075199@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1439.1622547582.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <1528101874.2498356.1622582075199@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOQT4E8wsem-gnd40eVYRfbDUrGFxDsB6HmSPsYb5ZZDnv9O6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Check out the marina at Barnegat Light.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 5:14 PM Cynthia Lang via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Does anyone on the list have recommendations for docking or mooring on the
> Jersey Shore? If docking, is there a potential for overnighting and
> electric? We keep our boat at Bristol Yacht Club (Bristol, PA) on the
> Delaware River, but the Jersey Shore might be a cooler alternative for the
> summer months. I know that such facilities exist at Atlantic City, but we
> would prefer a location north of there, perhaps Asbury Park, Belmar, etc.
> Also, if anyone on the list would like to meet up on the Delaware, there
> are very nice free public docks at Bristol with restaurants within easy
> walking distance (no overnighting at the free docks though). They are
> located on the 56 mile Delaware Water Trail: https://www.tidaltrail.org/
>
> Thanks,Cynthia
>

From jayf401 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 20:29:29 2021
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 20:29:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4350, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <CAOQT4E8wsem-gnd40eVYRfbDUrGFxDsB6HmSPsYb5ZZDnv9O6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1439.1622547582.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <1528101874.2498356.1622582075199@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAOQT4E8wsem-gnd40eVYRfbDUrGFxDsB6HmSPsYb5ZZDnv9O6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <905BFBB8-0E67-495F-8635-C4CAD75945FB@gmail.com>

Also Morrison?s, Beach Haven although transient slips book fast for the season.

> On Jun 1, 2021, at 8:18 PM, Liz and Ray <liznray15 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Check out the marina at Barnegat Light.
> 
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 5:14 PM Cynthia Lang via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Does anyone on the list have recommendations for docking or mooring on the
>> Jersey Shore? If docking, is there a potential for overnighting and
>> electric? We keep our boat at Bristol Yacht Club (Bristol, PA) on the
>> Delaware River, but the Jersey Shore might be a cooler alternative for the
>> summer months. I know that such facilities exist at Atlantic City, but we
>> would prefer a location north of there, perhaps Asbury Park, Belmar, etc.
>> Also, if anyone on the list would like to meet up on the Delaware, there
>> are very nice free public docks at Bristol with restaurants within easy
>> walking distance (no overnighting at the free docks though). They are
>> located on the 56 mile Delaware Water Trail: https://www.tidaltrail.org/
>> 
>> Thanks,Cynthia
>> 


From jayf401 at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 20:53:22 2021
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 20:53:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
In-Reply-To: <008b01d756f7$25125bf0$6f3713d0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB692014D12EB572F985820E0E80209@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <008b01d756f7$25125bf0$6f3713d0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <E4A5A0A7-ACC0-4699-BD5E-0ACDECD2B000@gmail.com>

Roger,
All our prayers for a successful surgery and a quick, solid recovery after your tough decision. 

Jay
S/V Wanderlust ?97



> On Jun 1, 2021, at 11:02 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Roger,
> 
> Your are in our thoughts for a total and speedy recovery.
> 
> I am sure that you will return to full sail (and paddling) again soon.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
> PIHLAJA
> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2021 1:47 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> As many of you know; my two sons, brother-in-law, and I were going to take a
> grand circle tour of the Apostle Islands National Lakeshore in July, 2021.
> This was going to be a sailing/beach camping/sea kayaking trip.  We were
> going to use our Rhodes 22 as the mother ship and tow the 4 sea kayaks in
> order to cover the miles between islands.  The sea kayaks would be used to
> explore the sea caves, sea stacks, and sea arches on the many uninhabited
> islands in the Apostle Islands archipelago.  We were going to back country
> beach camp on 3 different uninhabited islands.  These High Adventure Trips
> are a family tradition dating back almost 22 years.  We do something
> different every year.  There is an article in the Rhodes 22 archives about
> another High Adventure Sailing Trip to Garden Island in the middle of Lake
> Michigan many years ago.
> 
> I had my second cardiac ablation in February, 2021 and was working hard on
> my cardiac rehab.  Unfortunately, my cardiac issues are not getting better.
> I recently spent most of a day in A-Fib and tachycardia (rapid heat beat).
> Apparently, my cardiac arrhythmia medication, Metoprolol, isn't working for
> me anymore.  So, on June 1st, I'm scheduled for a 3 day stay in the Cardiac
> Unit at Midland Hospital.  They are going to hook me up to cardiac monitors
> and try a new drug called Tikosyn.  They will try to establish an
> appropriate dose for me that stops the A-Fib without stopping my heart.
> 
> Then, on June 10th, I'm scheduled to go back to the Invasive Procedures Unit
> at the Midland Hospital for a cardiac catheterization procedure.  This is
> another procedure wherein you are put under and they make an incision in the
> right groin.  They insert a catheter-like probe into the large vein in the
> groin and snake it back up the circulatory system into the heart.  They also
> insert an X-Ray emitting probe down the windpipe to where the bronchial
> tubes split off to each lung.  On the operating table, you are lying on top
> of a solid state X-Ray imaging plate.  This gives the surgical team a real
> time image of the heart so they can tell where their probe is inside the
> heart.  Inside the heart, the surgical team will search for any congenital
> defects like a hole between the chambers, heart valve problems, plaque
> build-up in the arteries, infection of the heart muscle, and even malignant
> tumors.  The probe also has a sensitive pressure sensor which they will use
> to map the performance of each chamber of the heart as it beats.  Some of
> these high tech medical procedures sound like overhauling your car engine
> while it's in the car and running!  Some issues they can fix immediately and
> other issues will require open heart surgery, which would have to be
> scheduled in the future.  This is supposed to be a 1 day in & out procedure.
> But, during the February cardiac ablation, which is a similar laparoscopic
> procedure, the X-Ray probe tore my windpipe causing them to keep me
> overnight.  I was coughing up blood for a week!  So, in a nutshell, this is
> going to be experimental surgery to try to figure out what's wrong with me.
> It will be a different doctor, which I requested in order to get a second
> opinion.  It wasn't easy to get our medical insurance to approve this; but,
> I insisted.
> 
> in my present condition, I just don't feel comfortable going to a remote
> area like the Apostle Islands.  I would need to be able to paddle my sea
> kayak 3-4 miles on Lake Superior without passing out and I'm not confident
> in my ability to do that.  Emergency medical care, if it could be summoned
> at all, would be hours away.   We all still have those days in July off.  If
> I'm feeling better by then, we may try to do something less strenuous and
> closer to home.  Everyone is really disappointed; but, they completely
> support my decision.  There's always next year, right?
> 
> I hope everyone is having a wonderful Memorial Day holiday weekend.  I had a
> COVID-19 test on Friday and Deb & I are quarantined until I go into the
> hospital next Tuesday.  Stay tuned.  Please keep me in your prayers.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 10
> 


From Bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 21:48:37 2021
From: Bgarrant at gmail.com (Bgarrant)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 18:48:37 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail furler cable broke
Message-ID: <1622598517195-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

The cable at the top of my headsail furler broke this morning when I began to
unfurl the Genoa. I would appreciate guidance for replacing this cable.
See the image 



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Jun  1 21:56:47 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 21:56:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail Furler Cable broke
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBADwhk-e2XMoCjXgns4Fzis7RTYB0p+tZOjDHMLSrHOww@mail.gmail.com>

The cable at the top of my genoa furler broke this morning as I was about
to unfurl the Genoa. See attached image.
I would appreciate guidance for replacing this cable.
I purchased this 2000 Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2017 as a refurbished model.
Thanks much,
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000
Kent Island, MD
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue Jun  1 22:28:44 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 21:28:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage!
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References: <CAEqJHY7Mm-QmrOddHw3urOrVUkNX1HK1VsGXEX8wrJhR1d5XQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABkv36am6Grhv2nHBiTfMgMri1ejP6CAmQvpLSOhbyMgFPuvgw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6oo17hdcO3uz=mh_cyVTfOh9HJFWQZHGQ+hb4JO=1i+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey list,

We went out today as a sneaky long lunch...
It was supposed to be 7-11 but was more like 15-18kts.

The outhaul car linkage plate fix worked splendidly.

We did fine; no sinking, no yelling.  But we noticed the telltails were
whipped off the main during the incident that I started this thread with.

How do I get new tells installed onto the sail? Etc? Do I need to climb? ??m

Thanks all!  Had a great time heeled over.

On Sun, May 30, 2021, 8:14 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nothing else is needed except to remember to breathe! Sounds safe but scary
> to this old guy.
>
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
>
> On Sun, May 30, 2021, 11:02 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > On the Cleveland shoreline, my rigged boat just went through 52mph gusts
> > without incident.  The IMF furling line was loop locked on a boom horn
> > cleat and the genny furling line had a stopper knot after the cam cleat.
> >
> > The old sailor saw that the calm before the storm is God's Grace still
> > applies to us.  In other words, furl both of the sails during the calm so
> > the main goes all the way into the mast and the jib sheets wrap once or
> > twice around the genny.  Then lock your furling lines and nothing else is
> > needed.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 4:04 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Got a call from the marina "your main is lost and has gone free"
> > >
> > > "Ok I'll be there in 30"
> > >
> > > Now I understand all of these outhaul car threads.....   We have had
> > 50mph
> > > gusts in the harbor today.
> > >
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Jun  2 08:55:27 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2021 05:55:27 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail Furler Cable broke
Message-ID: <E1loQP9-001ud8-T9@s152.servername.online>

Bob,

I'm not sure what you've got there.  It doesn't look like a CDI furler. 

There's been another recent thread about a broken forestay with the subject line of 'CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?'.  Looking through that may provide some insight.

I made a YouTube video about my experience with a broken forestay, which you can find here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s . My furler is a CDI, so at least some of the video won't be relevant for you.

Have you tried contacting General Boats?  How about a local rigging company?

--Peter

> On 2021-06-01, at 21:56:47 EDT, Bob Garrant wrote:
>
> The cable at the top of my genoa furler broke this morning as I was about to 
> unfurl the Genoa. See attached image. 
> I would appreciate guidance for replacing this cable.
> I purchased this 2000 Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2017 as a refurbished model. Thanks 
> much, 
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> Kent Island, MD
> 
> <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210601/f6641c60/attachment.jpg" 
> target="_blank">image_67213825.JPG</a> 
> 


From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Jun  2 09:25:23 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 13:25:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
	at	the	top?
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69205570C56C2E4D0AE3E1FF80229@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E1lminD-00BbNL-P1@s152.servername.online>
 <CH2PR02MB69205570C56C2E4D0AE3E1FF80229@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SA1PR19MB489641032F66253FB240D9FCDC3D9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.

I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27' 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone have the dimensions of what this should be?

Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool. 

Thanks, all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Peter,

S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.  We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.  Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Allyn,
> 
> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and the fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
> 
> Best of luck,
> 
> Peter

From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Jun  2 09:27:06 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 13:27:06 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at
	the	top?
In-Reply-To: <1622311666779-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <SA1PR19MB48962E4297FA4217B4D1560ADC229@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <1622311666779-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <SA1PR19MB489669B7576AF323E0B19612DC3D9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks. I've contacted CDI, left a message, and they called me right back.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey
Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2021 1:08 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

I'm forwarding your experience to CDI. Their website is www.sailcdi.com. They have relocated from Homer, NY to Winnepeg. Joel Grouette there has been very helpful when I had to rebuild my FF2 furler. You can reach him at jgrouette at sailcdi.com or 204-896-1333.



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Jun  2 09:28:21 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 13:28:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped -
	What's	at	the	top?
In-Reply-To: <SA1PR19MB489641032F66253FB240D9FCDC3D9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E1lminD-00BbNL-P1@s152.servername.online>
 <CH2PR02MB69205570C56C2E4D0AE3E1FF80229@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <SA1PR19MB489641032F66253FB240D9FCDC3D9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <SA1PR19MB4896635446DF3F53742450F8DC3D9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were made over the years.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.

I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27' 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone have the dimensions of what this should be?

Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool. 

Thanks, all.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Peter,

S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.  We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.  Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Allyn,
> 
> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and the fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
> 
> Best of luck,
> 
> Peter

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Jun  2 11:18:39 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:18:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question
In-Reply-To: <CANexfAkR+2FZxUzUPps=b6dS=LrjSzBYWA7Dvi9-1svpRQNtNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36ag0Tbqfj7zGaUyJL9WSPtCWRU2o70sZOO0piJzb+HLdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <049e01d74f7b$1d951440$58bf3cc0$@ca>
 <CANexfAkR+2FZxUzUPps=b6dS=LrjSzBYWA7Dvi9-1svpRQNtNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <070701d757c2$924bebc0$b6e3c340$@ca>

Previous discussions about towing have focused on towing the R22 over significant distances and with boats that are loaded with gear.

I only tow my boat about 5 miles twice a year - to the nearby ramp and back. I dock the boat at my house so I don't need to load it down with stuff.

Currently I am using a Honda Pilot which handles the boat easily but it is now 16 years old and is coming up for replacement. I am reluctant to get more vehicle than I need and am wondering what experience those on the list with vehicles that have a 3500 lb towing capacity.

Any thoughts are welcome.

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca





From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 11:25:22 2021
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:25:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the
	top?
In-Reply-To: <SA1PR19MB4896635446DF3F53742450F8DC3D9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E1lminD-00BbNL-P1@s152.servername.online>
 <CH2PR02MB69205570C56C2E4D0AE3E1FF80229@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <SA1PR19MB489641032F66253FB240D9FCDC3D9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
 <SA1PR19MB4896635446DF3F53742450F8DC3D9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9aCWKtrUztF=mY1=N_NOwz4Y_ToCcmBLa6LEe3ND=q5Lg@mail.gmail.com>

I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of work
for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake up a new
f'stay for you


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180


On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were made
> over the years.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Allyn Baskerville
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at
> the top?
>
> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just
> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle joint
> broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also dropped in the
> water exactly as described in the video.
>
> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the
> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the bottom of
> the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27' 11-1/2". I
> looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and another 25'6". I
> measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone have the dimensions of
> what this should be?
>
> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the toggle
> joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, or should I
> look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>
> Thanks, all.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at
> the top?
>
> Peter,
>
> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If
> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle joints on
> the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your failure looked
> like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such failures are common
> with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt water environment.  They
> can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All boats
> that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Allyn,
> >
> > I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and the
> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
> >
> > Best of luck,
> >
> > Peter
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 11:36:39 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:36:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail Furler Cable broke
In-Reply-To: <E1loQP9-001ud8-T9@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1loQP9-001ud8-T9@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBB7kUxFtndzKjvYh2u_CiWaakasS8b4zZn2vWdOJt5TWw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter
I?ll look at your video.
And I did send an email to Stan do I?ll see what he has to say about it

Thanks again
Bib

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 8:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> I'm not sure what you've got there.  It doesn't look like a CDI furler.
>
> There's been another recent thread about a broken forestay with the
> subject line of 'CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?'.
> Looking through that may provide some insight.
>
> I made a YouTube video about my experience with a broken forestay, which
> you can find here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s . My furler
> is a CDI, so at least some of the video won't be relevant for you.
>
> Have you tried contacting General Boats?  How about a local rigging
> company?
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2021-06-01, at 21:56:47 EDT, Bob Garrant wrote:
> >
> > The cable at the top of my genoa furler broke this morning as I was
> about to
> > unfurl the Genoa. See attached image.
> > I would appreciate guidance for replacing this cable.
> > I purchased this 2000 Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2017 as a refurbished
> model. Thanks
> > much,
> > Bob Garrant
> > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210601/f6641c60/attachment.jpg"
>
> > target="_blank">image_67213825.JPG</a>
> >
>
>

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed Jun  2 11:41:27 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 15:41:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question
In-Reply-To: <070701d757c2$924bebc0$b6e3c340$@ca>
References: <CABkv36ag0Tbqfj7zGaUyJL9WSPtCWRU2o70sZOO0piJzb+HLdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <049e01d74f7b$1d951440$58bf3cc0$@ca>
 <CANexfAkR+2FZxUzUPps=b6dS=LrjSzBYWA7Dvi9-1svpRQNtNw@mail.gmail.com>
 <070701d757c2$924bebc0$b6e3c340$@ca>
Message-ID: <1027983157.1503473.1622648487141@mail.yahoo.com>

I tow mine with a Nissan xterra ,v6 2wd. Would not want to pull in mountains. I'm? more worry about stopping it. Breaks on trailers concern me .? ?I bought a lot across form boat ramp keep boat there when not at pier, put boat in and out now with compact? Kubota tractor? ? Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2021 11:18 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question

Previous discussions about towing have focused on towing the R22 over significant distances and with boats that are loaded with gear.

I only tow my boat about 5 miles twice a year - to the nearby ramp and back. I dock the boat at my house so I don't need to load it down with stuff.

Currently I am using a Honda Pilot which handles the boat easily but it is now 16 years old and is coming up for replacement. I am reluctant to get more vehicle than I need and am wondering what experience those on the list with vehicles that have a 3500 lb towing capacity.

Any thoughts are welcome.

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca





From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Jun  2 11:42:18 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 15:42:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail Furler Cable broke
In-Reply-To: <E1loQP9-001ud8-T9@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1loQP9-001ud8-T9@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920B27B09A488806000E395803D9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Bob,

From your photo, it looks like the terminal at the top of the forestay failed.  But, instead of the threads at the toggle joint, this one failed at the bottom of the terminal where it was swaged onto the stainless steel wire cable.  Was there anything still attached to the masthead casting?  Like maybe the rest of the terminal and toggle joint?  This could be the same issue as Allyn and Peter?s boats experienced except at the bottom instead of the top of the terminal.  Or, it could be a failure of the swaged connection.  If you still have the rest of the terminal, could you send a close-up of the swaged joint that failed?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Bob,
> 
> I'm not sure what you've got there.  It doesn't look like a CDI furler. 
> 
> There's been another recent thread about a broken forestay with the subject line of 'CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?'.  Looking through that may provide some insight.
> 
> I made a YouTube video about my experience with a broken forestay, which you can find here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s . My furler is a CDI, so at least some of the video won't be relevant for you.
> 
> Have you tried contacting General Boats?  How about a local rigging company?
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2021-06-01, at 21:56:47 EDT, Bob Garrant wrote:
>> 
>> The cable at the top of my genoa furler broke this morning as I was about to 
>> unfurl the Genoa. See attached image. 
>> I would appreciate guidance for replacing this cable.
>> I purchased this 2000 Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2017 as a refurbished model. Thanks 
>> much, 
>> Bob Garrant
>> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
>> Kent Island, MD
>> 
>> <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210601/f6641c60/attachment.jpg" 
>> target="_blank">image_67213825.JPG</a> 
>> 
> 

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 11:49:02 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:49:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question
In-Reply-To: <070701d757c2$924bebc0$b6e3c340$@ca>
References: <CABkv36ag0Tbqfj7zGaUyJL9WSPtCWRU2o70sZOO0piJzb+HLdQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <049e01d74f7b$1d951440$58bf3cc0$@ca>
 <CANexfAkR+2FZxUzUPps=b6dS=LrjSzBYWA7Dvi9-1svpRQNtNw@mail.gmail.com>
 <070701d757c2$924bebc0$b6e3c340$@ca>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRpeDx64RaUxVryUhSZyU_NAX=SjcVTGMtqeXKcG7+-U3A@mail.gmail.com>

Graham, history on the list claims the older boats were lighter. I think
they started out at around 2,200 lbs. The trailers I think range from
700-900 lbs, You should be fine with a 3500 lb. rating.
How strict is your local constabulary? What are the Canadian laws like for
personal towing?  Things only you would know. I say go for it. The tow
rating by the auto companies are normally light, just to cover their
liability in court.
Cary
S/V Whisper '86
Radford, VA

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 11:18 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Previous discussions about towing have focused on towing the R22 over
> significant distances and with boats that are loaded with gear.
>
> I only tow my boat about 5 miles twice a year - to the nearby ramp and
> back. I dock the boat at my house so I don't need to load it down with
> stuff.
>
> Currently I am using a Honda Pilot which handles the boat easily but it is
> now 16 years old and is coming up for replacement. I am reluctant to get
> more vehicle than I need and am wondering what experience those on the list
> with vehicles that have a 3500 lb towing capacity.
>
> Any thoughts are welcome.
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
>
>
>
>
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Jun  2 11:52:47 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 15:52:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question
In-Reply-To: <1027983157.1503473.1622648487141@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CABkv36ag0Tbqfj7zGaUyJL9WSPtCWRU2o70sZOO0piJzb+HLdQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CANexfAkR+2FZxUzUPps=b6dS=LrjSzBYWA7Dvi9-1svpRQNtNw@mail.gmail.com>
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Graham,

Like you, I live on a lake, or at least I used to until last year!  The towing distance to my launch ramp was short and low speed.

We currently tow with a Toyota Sienna AWD minivan, which has a 3500 lb tow rating.  It does just fine.  I highly recommend AWD.  There?s just nothing like it for getting a boat up a slimy launch ramp.  We?ve had RWD and FWD tow vehicles and they?re just not as capable.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 11:41 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I tow mine with a Nissan xterra ,v6 2wd. Would not want to pull in mountains. I'm  more worry about stopping it. Breaks on trailers concern me .   I bought a lot across form boat ramp keep boat there when not at pier, put boat in and out now with compact  Kubota tractor    Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wed, Jun 2, 2021 11:18 am
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question
> 
> Previous discussions about towing have focused on towing the R22 over significant distances and with boats that are loaded with gear.
> 
> I only tow my boat about 5 miles twice a year - to the nearby ramp and back. I dock the boat at my house so I don't need to load it down with stuff.
> 
> Currently I am using a Honda Pilot which handles the boat easily but it is now 16 years old and is coming up for replacement. I am reluctant to get more vehicle than I need and am wondering what experience those on the list with vehicles that have a 3500 lb towing capacity.
> 
> Any thoughts are welcome.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
> 
> 
> 
> 

From ruckc at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  2 11:55:11 2021
From: ruckc at yahoo.com (Curtis Ruck)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 11:55:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRpeDx64RaUxVryUhSZyU_NAX=SjcVTGMtqeXKcG7+-U3A@mail.gmail.com>
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I've had issues pulling my 1978 r22 out on ramps with lighter vehicles
mainly due to surface traction.  I can generally succeed, but on a busy
ramp day, I did get stuck on the ramp for an hour until the sun/heat dried
the ramp.

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 11:49 Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Graham, history on the list claims the older boats were lighter. I think
> they started out at around 2,200 lbs. The trailers I think range from
> 700-900 lbs, You should be fine with a 3500 lb. rating.
> How strict is your local constabulary? What are the Canadian laws like for
> personal towing?  Things only you would know. I say go for it. The tow
> rating by the auto companies are normally light, just to cover their
> liability in court.
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
> Radford, VA
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 11:18 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Previous discussions about towing have focused on towing the R22 over
> > significant distances and with boats that are loaded with gear.
> >
> > I only tow my boat about 5 miles twice a year - to the nearby ramp and
> > back. I dock the boat at my house so I don't need to load it down with
> > stuff.
> >
> > Currently I am using a Honda Pilot which handles the boat easily but it
> is
> > now 16 years old and is coming up for replacement. I am reluctant to get
> > more vehicle than I need and am wondering what experience those on the
> list
> > with vehicles that have a 3500 lb towing capacity.
> >
> > Any thoughts are welcome.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 12:02:47 2021
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 12:02:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question
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Graham,
I have a 76 on a single axle trailer. I just finished towing it from Lake
Erie to South Carolina without issues definitely felt like no more than
3500lbs behind me. Only hit on fuel mileage was in West Virginia.  Does
your Pilot AWD? Will you have slick ramps? If both of those are true, I
would go with a Nissan Frontier (or Pathfinder if you?re more of the SUV
type).
Brian
Sumter

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 11:49 Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Graham, history on the list claims the older boats were lighter. I think
> they started out at around 2,200 lbs. The trailers I think range from
> 700-900 lbs, You should be fine with a 3500 lb. rating.
> How strict is your local constabulary? What are the Canadian laws like for
> personal towing?  Things only you would know. I say go for it. The tow
> rating by the auto companies are normally light, just to cover their
> liability in court.
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
> Radford, VA
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 11:18 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Previous discussions about towing have focused on towing the R22 over
> > significant distances and with boats that are loaded with gear.
> >
> > I only tow my boat about 5 miles twice a year - to the nearby ramp and
> > back. I dock the boat at my house so I don't need to load it down with
> > stuff.
> >
> > Currently I am using a Honda Pilot which handles the boat easily but it
> is
> > now 16 years old and is coming up for replacement. I am reluctant to get
> > more vehicle than I need and am wondering what experience those on the
> list
> > with vehicles that have a 3500 lb towing capacity.
> >
> > Any thoughts are welcome.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

From rweiss at siu.edu  Wed Jun  2 12:46:25 2021
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 16:46:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question
In-Reply-To: <CAPD+wLEK1rt9b7E48OmidTqrmhA-A=eVDVa3PPWZucyBDYjjmw@mail.gmail.com>
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A few years ago I towed a Rhodes 22 for Stan from Edenton to the Annapolis Boat Show with my Dodge Grand Caravan rated for 3,500 lbs. would not have wanted to go through mountains and have no idea how it would do on a ramp, but had no problem.

Bob
Beach Spring

Robert L. Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 11:02:47 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

Graham,
I have a 76 on a single axle trailer. I just finished towing it from Lake
Erie to South Carolina without issues definitely felt like no more than
3500lbs behind me. Only hit on fuel mileage was in West Virginia.  Does
your Pilot AWD? Will you have slick ramps? If both of those are true, I
would go with a Nissan Frontier (or Pathfinder if you?re more of the SUV
type).
Brian
Sumter

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 11:49 Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Graham, history on the list claims the older boats were lighter. I think
> they started out at around 2,200 lbs. The trailers I think range from
> 700-900 lbs, You should be fine with a 3500 lb. rating.
> How strict is your local constabulary? What are the Canadian laws like for
> personal towing?  Things only you would know. I say go for it. The tow
> rating by the auto companies are normally light, just to cover their
> liability in court.
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
> Radford, VA
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 11:18 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Previous discussions about towing have focused on towing the R22 over
> > significant distances and with boats that are loaded with gear.
> >
> > I only tow my boat about 5 miles twice a year - to the nearby ramp and
> > back. I dock the boat at my house so I don't need to load it down with
> > stuff.
> >
> > Currently I am using a Honda Pilot which handles the boat easily but it
> is
> > now 16 years old and is coming up for replacement. I am reluctant to get
> > more vehicle than I need and am wondering what experience those on the
> list
> > with vehicles that have a 3500 lb towing capacity.
> >
> > Any thoughts are welcome.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 14:54:33 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 14:54:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Another towing question
In-Reply-To: <070701d757c2$924bebc0$b6e3c340$@ca>
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Graham,

I'd be worried about blowing out a 3500# tow transmission when Murphy's Law
comes into play.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 11:18 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Previous discussions about towing have focused on towing the R22 over
> significant distances and with boats that are loaded with gear.
>
> I only tow my boat about 5 miles twice a year - to the nearby ramp and
> back. I dock the boat at my house so I don't need to load it down with
> stuff.
>
> Currently I am using a Honda Pilot which handles the boat easily but it is
> now 16 years old and is coming up for replacement. I am reluctant to get
> more vehicle than I need and am wondering what experience those on the list
> with vehicles that have a 3500 lb towing capacity.
>
> Any thoughts are welcome.
>
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
>
>
>
>
>

From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Jun  2 17:40:34 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 21:40:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at
	the	top?
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Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.

27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake up a new f'stay for you


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180


On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were 
> made over the years.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Allyn Baskerville
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
> at the top?
>
> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>
> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the 
> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the 
> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27' 
> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and 
> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone 
> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>
> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, 
> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>
> Thanks, all.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
> at the top?
>
> Peter,
>
> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such 
> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt 
> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Allyn,
> >
> > I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
> > the
> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
> >
> > Best of luck,
> >
> > Peter
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Jun  2 17:57:39 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 21:57:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
	at	the	top?
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Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
> 
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
> 
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake up a new f'stay for you
> 
> 
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
> 
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were 
>> made over the years.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>> 
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>> 
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the 
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the 
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27' 
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and 
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone 
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>> 
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, 
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>> 
>> Thanks, all.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>> 
>> Peter,
>> 
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such 
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt 
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Allyn,
>>> 
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>> 
>>> Best of luck,
>>> 
>>> Peter
>> 

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 18:06:07 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 15:06:07 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
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Roger,

Sorry to hear about your condition.  I joined the list right after you took
a break but the information you provided on the owner's list and in the
archives has been truly invaluable.  Glad to have you back and hope you
stick around.

You're an engineer and rely on data but when something like this happens
it's hard to separate emotion from logic.  Probably won't put your mind at
ease, but less than 1% of cardiac caths result in any complications, and
serious complications are less than .05%.  Nevertheless, excellent idea to
cancel this year's trip.

Best of luck!

Lee
1999 Rhodes22 REAL soon now
Claytor Lake, VA



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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 18:15:54 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 15:15:54 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Oooooo my first storm damage!
In-Reply-To: <1622164215758-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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George,

I cleated off the Genoa line and tied a line through the main sail's clew
around the mast, but i like your idea better.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22, name TBD
Claytor Lake, VA



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From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Jun  2 21:22:21 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 01:22:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped -
	What's	at	the	top?
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Thanks Roger. I greatly appreciate this and hope the hospital visit wasn?t anything serious. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 4:57 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Allyn,
> 
> The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.
> 
> Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>> 
>> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>> 
>> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
>> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake up a new f'stay for you
>> 
>> 
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>> 
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were 
>>> made over the years.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>>> Allyn Baskerville
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>>> at the top?
>>> 
>>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
>>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
>>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
>>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>> 
>>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the 
>>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the 
>>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27' 
>>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and 
>>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone 
>>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>> 
>>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
>>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, 
>>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, all.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>>> at the top?
>>> 
>>> Peter,
>>> 
>>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
>>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
>>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
>>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such 
>>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt 
>>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
>>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Allyn,
>>>> 
>>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
>>>> the
>>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>> 
>>>> Best of luck,
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>> 

From allynb at adsne.com  Wed Jun  2 21:26:06 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 01:26:06 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped -
	What's	at	the	top?
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I just read your post as to why you are in. Oh man! That?sa tough situation. Hope you get to feeling well very soon. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 8:22 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Roger. I greatly appreciate this and hope the hospital visit wasn?t anything serious. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 4:57 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Allyn,
>> 
>> The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.
>> 
>> Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>>> 
>>> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>>> 
>>> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
>>> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake up a new f'stay for you
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>> 
>>> Richard Beytagh
>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were 
>>>> made over the years.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>>>> Allyn Baskerville
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>>>> at the top?
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
>>>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
>>>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
>>>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>>> 
>>>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the 
>>>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the 
>>>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27' 
>>>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and 
>>>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone 
>>>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>>> 
>>>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
>>>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, 
>>>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, all.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>>>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>>>> at the top?
>>>> 
>>>> Peter,
>>>> 
>>>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
>>>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>>>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
>>>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
>>>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such 
>>>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt 
>>>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>>>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
>>>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Allyn,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
>>>>> the
>>>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>> 

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Jun  2 22:48:48 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 21:48:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
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I love saying your name to myself.  Hoping for your swift mend.

Rojjahfalajja!

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 5:06 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Roger,
>
> Sorry to hear about your condition.  I joined the list right after you took
> a break but the information you provided on the owner's list and in the
> archives has been truly invaluable.  Glad to have you back and hope you
> stick around.
>
> You're an engineer and rely on data but when something like this happens
> it's hard to separate emotion from logic.  Probably won't put your mind at
> ease, but less than 1% of cardiac caths result in any complications, and
> serious complications are less than .05%.  Nevertheless, excellent idea to
> cancel this year's trip.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 REAL soon now
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Wed Jun  2 23:15:27 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2021 23:15:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail Furler Cable broke
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Hi Roger,
I haven?t had a chance to un-step the mast yet and examine the mast head.
I?ll send pictures as soon as I do that.
Thanks
Bob


On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 11:42 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> From your photo, it looks like the terminal at the top of the forestay
> failed.  But, instead of the threads at the toggle joint, this one failed
> at the bottom of the terminal where it was swaged onto the stainless steel
> wire cable.  Was there anything still attached to the masthead casting?
> Like maybe the rest of the terminal and toggle joint?  This could be the
> same issue as Allyn and Peter?s boats experienced except at the bottom
> instead of the top of the terminal.  Or, it could be a failure of the
> swaged connection.  If you still have the rest of the terminal, could you
> send a close-up of the swaged joint that failed?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 2, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Bob,
> >
> > I'm not sure what you've got there.  It doesn't look like a CDI furler.
> >
> > There's been another recent thread about a broken forestay with the
> subject line of 'CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?'.
> Looking through that may provide some insight.
> >
> > I made a YouTube video about my experience with a broken forestay, which
> you can find here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s . My furler
> is a CDI, so at least some of the video won't be relevant for you.
> >
> > Have you tried contacting General Boats?  How about a local rigging
> company?
> >
> > --Peter
> >
> >> On 2021-06-01, at 21:56:47 EDT, Bob Garrant wrote:
> >>
> >> The cable at the top of my genoa furler broke this morning as I was
> about to
> >> unfurl the Genoa. See attached image.
> >> I would appreciate guidance for replacing this cable.
> >> I purchased this 2000 Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2017 as a refurbished
> model. Thanks
> >> much,
> >> Bob Garrant
> >> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> >> Kent Island, MD
> >>
> >> <a
> >> href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210601/f6641c60/attachment.jpg"
>
> >> target="_blank">image_67213825.JPG</a>
> >>
> >
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Jun  3 08:25:38 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 12:25:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped
	-	What's	at	the	top?
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Hi Allyn,

Just congestive heart disease.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Roger. I greatly appreciate this and hope the hospital visit wasn?t anything serious. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 4:57 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Allyn,
>> 
>> The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.
>> 
>> Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>>> 
>>> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>>> 
>>> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
>>> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake up a new f'stay for you
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>> 
>>> Richard Beytagh
>>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>> 
>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were 
>>>> made over the years.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>>>> Allyn Baskerville
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>>>> at the top?
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
>>>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
>>>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
>>>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>>> 
>>>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the 
>>>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the 
>>>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27' 
>>>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and 
>>>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone 
>>>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>>> 
>>>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
>>>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, 
>>>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks, all.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>>>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>>>> at the top?
>>>> 
>>>> Peter,
>>>> 
>>>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
>>>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>>>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
>>>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
>>>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such 
>>>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt 
>>>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>>>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
>>>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Allyn,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
>>>>> the
>>>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>> 

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Jun  3 21:46:12 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 01:46:12 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
	at	the	top?
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Hi Allyn,

The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.

It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake up a new f'stay for you
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were
>> made over the years.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>> at the top?
>>
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option,
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>> at the top?
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If
>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Allyn,
>>>
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>


From allynb at adsne.com  Thu Jun  3 23:02:19 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 03:02:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped -
	What's	at	the	top?
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Thanks for the info. I've not been on another Rhodes, but I've spent considerable time on a Capri 22. Based on that, I'd say my boat has excessive weather helm, and I really appreciate the info you provided. 

I've not made any adjustments to the forestay assembly, and the only thing I'm guessing on is adding 3/4" for the piece of the toggle joint that broke off to the point where the pin goes through. I measured this 6 times, and 3 times I came up with about the same measurement: 28' 1-3/4" +/- 1/8" center to center. Just to clarify, the distance from the center of the pin that goes through the chain plate to where the toggle fork broke is 28' 1", then I added 3/4" for where the piece broke off to where I think the pin would be. The forestay wire is 27' 6-1/4" (taken to the outer edge of the swage crimp). I really think I'd run out of adjustment on the backstays if the forestay was about 3.5" shorter. I'll go back out to my boat, but I'd be surprised if there was more than 1.5-2" of adjustment available on the backstays.

You also mentioned chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. The boat was a one owner and came from Wisconsin and had a Wisconsin title, and I don't know if it was ever sailed in salt water. The hull was coated in mineral deposits, which I continue to work on. But then our lake water isn't much better.

I worked on this email far to long, but I'm hoping it's relatively clear to understand. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Hi Allyn,

The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.

It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of 
> work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake 
> up a new f'stay for you
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were 
>> made over the years.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>>
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the 
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the 
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and 
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone 
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, 
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such 
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt 
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Allyn,
>>>
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>


From allynb at adsne.com  Thu Jun  3 23:28:01 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 03:28:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped -
	What's	at	the	top?
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I just thought of a couple more things. I'm pretty sure the mast was dropped at one point, because the pop top was broken when I bought it. I've fiberglassed that back together. I've noticed a couple times that the mast may not look straight - it's pretty close, and I convince myself it's an optical illusion. It seems to hook back an inch or so part way up the mast. We had a cherry picker at the boat club last weekend, so I went up there to look at the top of the mast where the toggle fork failed. Looking down the mast, I believe I could see it hook backwards slightly, and that may be why my mainsail has never furled well. I have to pull down on the clew pretty hard to get the mail to furl. I do not see any damage, e.g. dents or otherwise, to the mast, and it doesn't appear torqued. I have no idea what the previous owner did as far as changing out any standing rigging, but maybe something broke a while ago and didn?t get the lengths quite right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Allyn Baskerville 
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Thanks for the info. I've not been on another Rhodes, but I've spent considerable time on a Capri 22. Based on that, I'd say my boat has excessive weather helm, and I really appreciate the info you provided. 

I've not made any adjustments to the forestay assembly, and the only thing I'm guessing on is adding 3/4" for the piece of the toggle joint that broke off to the point where the pin goes through. I measured this 6 times, and 3 times I came up with about the same measurement: 28' 1-3/4" +/- 1/8" center to center. Just to clarify, the distance from the center of the pin that goes through the chain plate to where the toggle fork broke is 28' 1", then I added 3/4" for where the piece broke off to where I think the pin would be. The forestay wire is 27' 6-1/4" (taken to the outer edge of the swage crimp). I really think I'd run out of adjustment on the backstays if the forestay was about 3.5" shorter. I'll go back out to my boat, but I'd be surprised if there was more than 1.5-2" of adjustment available on the backstays.

You also mentioned chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. The boat was a one owner and came from Wisconsin and had a Wisconsin title, and I don't know if it was ever sailed in salt water. The hull was coated in mineral deposits, which I continue to work on. But then our lake water isn't much better.

I worked on this email far to long, but I'm hoping it's relatively clear to understand. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Hi Allyn,

The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.

It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of 
> work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake 
> up a new f'stay for you
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were 
>> made over the years.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>>
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the 
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the 
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and 
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone 
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, 
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such 
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt 
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Allyn,
>>>
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>


From allynb at adsne.com  Thu Jun  3 23:41:37 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 03:41:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
Message-ID: <SA1PR19MB4896B7A38CCF2657860F14A9DC3B9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

My slip is right outside the clubhouse, and I get *lots* of comments such as, "What's wrong with your boat? It doesn't sit straight in the water." The boat has two house batteries and the starter battery on the port side, and the motor is portside. The starter batter would be easy to relocate starboard, but the other two won't be that easy. What have you all done, if anything?

I love looking at the pictures that have been posted of the boat remodels. Some are simply amazing, and I've downloaded many pictures since joining this list. Overall, the layout works well for me with what I have, and my wife says I have to get her house done before I even think about doing anything else.

This list has been so incredibly educational and enlightening.

Allyn

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  3 23:50:11 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 23:50:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at	the
	top?
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Roger,

I?m going to be dropping my mast on Saturday and hope to fine tune my rig.  I currently have some lee helm which I want to correct.  How do you recommend measuring the forestay length?  

Thanks,

Michael McKay
s/v Liber 2006/2018

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Allyn,
> 
> The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.
> 
> It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
> 
> Allyn,
> 
> The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.
> 
> Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>> 
>> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>> 
>> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
>> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake up a new f'stay for you
>> 
>> 
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>> 
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were
>>> made over the years.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> Allyn Baskerville
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>>> at the top?
>>> 
>>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just
>>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle
>>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also
>>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>> 
>>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the
>>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the
>>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and
>>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone
>>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>> 
>>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the
>>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option,
>>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, all.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>>> at the top?
>>> 
>>> Peter,
>>> 
>>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If
>>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle
>>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your
>>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such
>>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt
>>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All
>>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Allyn,
>>>> 
>>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and
>>>> the
>>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>> 
>>>> Best of luck,
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>> 
> 

From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 00:04:28 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 04:04:28 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
Message-ID: <SA1PR19MB4896A046CBF5CF7F6E1E495ADC3B9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>

Last post for the night. We've been wanting to take the Rhodes somewhere this summer, and we were wondering if there were any other events like the Texas 200. I just learned about that, and it's probably too late to sign up, plus I don't think my boat will be ready to sail by then because of the forestay breaking. We live in Oklahoma, so that location would be ideal, plus I'd like to get out in the gulf. Our little lake is a circle with about a 9 mile circumference.

We have close to 0 experience sailing in the ocean - I've been out with my son (lives north of Miami, FL) a couple times on his Bayfield 32, but that's been it. Is it too risky to pull the Rhodes to Miami and sail to the Bahamas? What about sailing around the Florida mini-loop?

I've been working on a project that I think will be useful for some trips like these.  I recently installed a depth transducer, a radio with AIS receiver, and a VHF antenna on the top of my mast that supports AIS. I have a wireless NMEA 0183 multiplexor that still needs installing (sitting in a closet), and I need to purchase and install a GPS antenna with the NMEA interface. This won't take long to wrap up, but ultimately it will connect to my iPad running Navionics. I think it should work, and this has been a fun project to design. We have a lot of projects going on at the house, so I work on this when I can (meaning early weekend mornings). Is there any other electronics or hardware that I need to consider? The boat is pretty basic - no frills, and I don't have the mast crutch or winch yet, but that will happen soon.

Good night all. Allyn

From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 00:13:37 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 04:13:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
	at	the	top?
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I can tell you how I measured mine, and maybe someone can correct me if needed. I started a tape measure at the lower pin and moved up a few feet at a time. At 10' and 20' I put pieces of tape on the forestay. The tape measurer wasn't long enough to measure the entire length, plus this gave me some check points along the way. It also gave me more confidence the length was correct.

As to how much to adjust the stays, someone else will have to chime in. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael McKay
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:50 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Roger,

I?m going to be dropping my mast on Saturday and hope to fine tune my rig.  I currently have some lee helm which I want to correct.  How do you recommend measuring the forestay length?  

Thanks,

Michael McKay
s/v Liber 2006/2018

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Allyn,
> 
> The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.
> 
> It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
> 
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
> 
> Allyn,
> 
> The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.
> 
> Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>> 
>> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>> 
>> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
>> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of 
>> work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll 
>> ake up a new f'stay for you
>> 
>> 
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>> 
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>> 
>> 
>>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes 
>>> were made over the years.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
>>> Of Allyn Baskerville
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - 
>>> What's at the top?
>>> 
>>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
>>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
>>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
>>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>> 
>>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with 
>>> the fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to 
>>> the bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' 
>>> and another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does 
>>> anyone have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>> 
>>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
>>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another 
>>> option, or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, all.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
>>> Of ROGER PIHLAJA
>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - 
>>> What's at the top?
>>> 
>>> Peter,
>>> 
>>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
>>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
>>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
>>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  
>>> Such failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a 
>>> salt water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
>>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Allyn,
>>>> 
>>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
>>>> the
>>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>> 
>>>> Best of luck,
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>> 
> 

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 00:30:25 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 23:30:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
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Hey Allyn,
                I?m surprised that your boat has 3 batteries. I have 2 size
28?s on Enosis and we have lived and cruised on it for 3 months at a time.
An outboard doesn?t really need a dedicated battery as it can always be
pull started and your electric start will charge it and your house
batteries. If you use a lot of watt hours perhaps an up grade on the solar
will take care of your needs and you can get rid of one battery to balance
the boat. Just say?n. Glad you love your boat, a common affliction amongst
us Rhodies. Ever thought of renaming your boat ?the House?. That way you
could spend every day working on ?The House?
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:41 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> My slip is right outside the clubhouse, and I get *lots* of comments such
> as, "What's wrong with your boat? It doesn't sit straight in the water."
> The boat has two house batteries and the starter battery on the port side,
> and the motor is portside. The starter batter would be easy to relocate
> starboard, but the other two won't be that easy. What have you all done, if
> anything?
>
> I love looking at the pictures that have been posted of the boat remodels.
> Some are simply amazing, and I've downloaded many pictures since joining
> this list. Overall, the layout works well for me with what I have, and my
> wife says I have to get her house done before I even think about doing
> anything else.
>
> This list has been so incredibly educational and enlightening.
>
> Allyn
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 00:44:21 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2021 23:44:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
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Hey Allyn Chris the other night owl typing from Kansas where my son and I
share his Rhodes. The one my wife and I spend our summers on is in Greece.
I?ve sailed my first Rhodes to the Bahamas with my brother exactly 25 years
ago to the day. Very cool trip. My wife and son joined when my brother
returned to the States. We spent a couple of months sailing all over the
islands. The Rhodes handled it all. Though we go to the Bahamas every
winter (covid excepted) I think I would enjoy doing it in the Rhodes as
much as in our larger boat.  Get to know your boat first, and build your
sailing skills, then do the ?big? trip. Sailing the bays and inter coastal
waterways is a fine way to learn sailing. Good luck, you will really enjoy
your boat.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:04 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Last post for the night. We've been wanting to take the Rhodes somewhere
> this summer, and we were wondering if there were any other events like the
> Texas 200. I just learned about that, and it's probably too late to sign
> up, plus I don't think my boat will be ready to sail by then because of the
> forestay breaking. We live in Oklahoma, so that location would be ideal,
> plus I'd like to get out in the gulf. Our little lake is a circle with
> about a 9 mile circumference.
>
> We have close to 0 experience sailing in the ocean - I've been out with my
> son (lives north of Miami, FL) a couple times on his Bayfield 32, but
> that's been it. Is it too risky to pull the Rhodes to Miami and sail to the
> Bahamas? What about sailing around the Florida mini-loop?
>
> I've been working on a project that I think will be useful for some trips
> like these.  I recently installed a depth transducer, a radio with AIS
> receiver, and a VHF antenna on the top of my mast that supports AIS. I have
> a wireless NMEA 0183 multiplexor that still needs installing (sitting in a
> closet), and I need to purchase and install a GPS antenna with the NMEA
> interface. This won't take long to wrap up, but ultimately it will connect
> to my iPad running Navionics. I think it should work, and this has been a
> fun project to design. We have a lot of projects going on at the house, so
> I work on this when I can (meaning early weekend mornings). Is there any
> other electronics or hardware that I need to consider? The boat is pretty
> basic - no frills, and I don't have the mast crutch or winch yet, but that
> will happen soon.
>
> Good night all. Allyn
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 06:17:06 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:17:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
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I think you are a bit late in the season for going to the Bahamas aren't
you? Everyone usually comes back to the States by June because of hurricane
season and insurance requirements. But I have no experience with this.

Todd T.



On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 12:04 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Last post for the night. We've been wanting to take the Rhodes somewhere
> this summer, and we were wondering if there were any other events like the
> Texas 200. I just learned about that, and it's probably too late to sign
> up, plus I don't think my boat will be ready to sail by then because of the
> forestay breaking. We live in Oklahoma, so that location would be ideal,
> plus I'd like to get out in the gulf. Our little lake is a circle with
> about a 9 mile circumference.
>
> We have close to 0 experience sailing in the ocean - I've been out with my
> son (lives north of Miami, FL) a couple times on his Bayfield 32, but
> that's been it. Is it too risky to pull the Rhodes to Miami and sail to the
> Bahamas? What about sailing around the Florida mini-loop?
>
> I've been working on a project that I think will be useful for some trips
> like these.  I recently installed a depth transducer, a radio with AIS
> receiver, and a VHF antenna on the top of my mast that supports AIS. I have
> a wireless NMEA 0183 multiplexor that still needs installing (sitting in a
> closet), and I need to purchase and install a GPS antenna with the NMEA
> interface. This won't take long to wrap up, but ultimately it will connect
> to my iPad running Navionics. I think it should work, and this has been a
> fun project to design. We have a lot of projects going on at the house, so
> I work on this when I can (meaning early weekend mornings). Is there any
> other electronics or hardware that I need to consider? The boat is pretty
> basic - no frills, and I don't have the mast crutch or winch yet, but that
> will happen soon.
>
> Good night all. Allyn
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jun  4 07:00:37 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:00:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped
	-	What's	at	the	top?
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Allyn,

Remind me again, does your R-22 have IMF?  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a conventional mainsail.  The IMF mainsail does not have battens and less roach vs. a conventional mainsail.  A mainsail is not a triangle.  If you were to draw a line from the head to the clew, you would find a conventional mainsail has some sail area aft of this line and an IMF mainsail has almost none.  In other words, an IMF mainsail is closer to a pure triangle vs. a conventional mainsail.  This ?extra? sail area is called roach.  IMF mainsails don?t have the battens which are necessary to support the extra sail area in the roach, so they can?t have much roach.  All else being equal, this lack of roach moves the center of effort (CE) of an IMF mainsail slightly forward vs. a conventional mainsail.  This would mean the mast needs to be tilted slightly more aft on an IMF rig to balance the weather helm/lee helm balance.  So, if you have IMF, your longer forestay measurement makes sense.  Believe your tape measure, especially if you?ve measured it several times and gotten the same result.  The real question is, do you like your boat?s present weather helm/lee hem balance?  If you would like less weather helm, shorten the forestay.  More weather helm, lengthen the forestay.  Shortening the forestay by 3.5 inches would significantly reduce your weather helm.

You probably have more backstay adjustment than you think.  Remember, you also have the double backstay adjuster rigging, which has a range of at least 12 inches.  As long as the slack double backstays are long enough to step the mast and hook up the forestay pin to the bow chain plate, the double backstay adjuster will take up whatever slack remains.  Another thing to consider ? How long is your CDI furling tube?  If you shortened the forestay by 3.5 inches, would the furling tube be too long?  You might consider shortening the forestay until the upper end of the furling tube just clears the toggle joint at the masthead.  That would be the best you can do to reduce weather helm without modifying your furling tube.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Thanks for the info. I've not been on another Rhodes, but I've spent considerable time on a Capri 22. Based on that, I'd say my boat has excessive weather helm, and I really appreciate the info you provided.

I've not made any adjustments to the forestay assembly, and the only thing I'm guessing on is adding 3/4" for the piece of the toggle joint that broke off to the point where the pin goes through. I measured this 6 times, and 3 times I came up with about the same measurement: 28' 1-3/4" +/- 1/8" center to center. Just to clarify, the distance from the center of the pin that goes through the chain plate to where the toggle fork broke is 28' 1", then I added 3/4" for where the piece broke off to where I think the pin would be. The forestay wire is 27' 6-1/4" (taken to the outer edge of the swage crimp). I really think I'd run out of adjustment on the backstays if the forestay was about 3.5" shorter. I'll go back out to my boat, but I'd be surprised if there was more than 1.5-2" of adjustment available on the backstays.

You also mentioned chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. The boat was a one owner and came from Wisconsin and had a Wisconsin title, and I don't know if it was ever sailed in salt water. The hull was coated in mineral deposits, which I continue to work on. But then our lake water isn't much better.

I worked on this email far to long, but I'm hoping it's relatively clear to understand.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Hi Allyn,

The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.

It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of
> work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake
> up a new f'stay for you
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were
>> made over the years.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>> at the top?
>>
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option,
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>> at the top?
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If
>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Allyn,
>>>
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jun  4 07:03:04 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:03:04 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
	at	the	top?
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Michael,

I?m not sure I understand your question.  I?m going to play Captain Obvious and say, ?With a tape measure?.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:50 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Roger,

I?m going to be dropping my mast on Saturday and hope to fine tune my rig.  I currently have some lee helm which I want to correct.  How do you recommend measuring the forestay length?

Thanks,

Michael McKay
s/v Liber 2006/2018

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2021, at 9:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Allyn,
>
> The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.
>
> It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
>
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>
> Allyn,
>
> The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.
>
> Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>>
>> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Richard Beytagh
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>>
>> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
>> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake up a new f'stay for you
>>
>>
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>>
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>>
>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were
>>> made over the years.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> Allyn Baskerville
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>>> at the top?
>>>
>>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just
>>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle
>>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also
>>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>>
>>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the
>>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the
>>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and
>>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone
>>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>>
>>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the
>>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option,
>>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>>
>>> Thanks, all.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>>> at the top?
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If
>>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle
>>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your
>>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such
>>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt
>>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All
>>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>>
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Allyn,
>>>>
>>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and
>>>> the
>>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>>
>>>> Best of luck,
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>
>


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jun  4 07:49:42 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 11:49:42 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
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Tom,

Your post brought back memories of bullies in Jr. High School that would taunt me by mispronouncing my name.  I have to admit it looks like a bad Scrabble hand when you 1st see it writing.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:49 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled

I love saying your name to myself.  Hoping for your swift mend.

Rojjahfalajja!

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 5:06 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Roger,
>
> Sorry to hear about your condition.  I joined the list right after you took
> a break but the information you provided on the owner's list and in the
> archives has been truly invaluable.  Glad to have you back and hope you
> stick around.
>
> You're an engineer and rely on data but when something like this happens
> it's hard to separate emotion from logic.  Probably won't put your mind at
> ease, but less than 1% of cardiac caths result in any complications, and
> serious complications are less than .05%.  Nevertheless, excellent idea to
> cancel this year's trip.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 REAL soon now
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Jun  4 07:59:12 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 06:59:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
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I hope it came across jovial amongst Rhodie's! It was coming from a place
of admiration.
Your input is invaluable and you're an excellent writer.
See you on the water soon!

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 6:49 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Your post brought back memories of bullies in Jr. High School that would
> taunt me by mispronouncing my name.  I have to admit it looks like a bad
> Scrabble hand when you 1st see it writing.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:49 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Apostle Islands High Adventure Trip Cancelled
>
> I love saying your name to myself.  Hoping for your swift mend.
>
> Rojjahfalajja!
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021, 5:06 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Roger,
> >
> > Sorry to hear about your condition.  I joined the list right after you
> took
> > a break but the information you provided on the owner's list and in the
> > archives has been truly invaluable.  Glad to have you back and hope you
> > stick around.
> >
> > You're an engineer and rely on data but when something like this happens
> > it's hard to separate emotion from logic.  Probably won't put your mind
> at
> > ease, but less than 1% of cardiac caths result in any complications, and
> > serious complications are less than .05%.  Nevertheless, excellent idea
> to
> > cancel this year's trip.
> >
> > Best of luck!
> >
> > Lee
> > 1999 Rhodes22 REAL soon now
> > Claytor Lake, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>
>

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Fri Jun  4 08:52:25 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 12:52:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
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I have same set up but my motor battery is in middle against stern sets straight? solution is? more beer in fridge??


-----Original Message-----
From: Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thu, Jun 3, 2021 11:41 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside

My slip is right outside the clubhouse, and I get *lots* of comments such as, "What's wrong with your boat? It doesn't sit straight in the water." The boat has two house batteries and the starter battery on the port side, and the motor is portside. The starter batter would be easy to relocate starboard, but the other two won't be that easy. What have you all done, if anything?

I love looking at the pictures that have been posted of the boat remodels. Some are simply amazing, and I've downloaded many pictures since joining this list. Overall, the layout works well for me with what I have, and my wife says I have to get her house done before I even think about doing anything else.

This list has been so incredibly educational and enlightening.

Allyn

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jun  4 10:41:21 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:41:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped
	-	What's	at	the	top?
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Allyn,

OK, the best way to check if the mast is bent is to stretch a line taut along the length of the mast.  Any bend will be visible as a gap between the line and the mast.  A conventional mainsail rig can use the main halyard as this line.  On an IMF mainsail rig, you will have to tie a line to the masthead casting somehow.  If you find any bend, you will have to ask Stan how much bend is acceptable and if the bend can be safely removed.  My guess is, if the bend is beyond acceptable limits; then, you probably won?t be able to fix it.  The reason the mast probably won?t be repairable has to do with how the mast is made.  Our masts are made by extrusion from 7071 T6 aluminum alloy.  After extrusion, this alloy has to be heat treated to make it stiff.  But, the heat treatment process also causes the alloy to be susceptible to cold work hardening and embrittlement.  If the final mast extrusion has been bent by an impact loading, the impact site will be cold work hardened.  Bending it back will probably crack it.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:28 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

I just thought of a couple more things. I'm pretty sure the mast was dropped at one point, because the pop top was broken when I bought it. I've fiberglassed that back together. I've noticed a couple times that the mast may not look straight - it's pretty close, and I convince myself it's an optical illusion. It seems to hook back an inch or so part way up the mast. We had a cherry picker at the boat club last weekend, so I went up there to look at the top of the mast where the toggle fork failed. Looking down the mast, I believe I could see it hook backwards slightly, and that may be why my mainsail has never furled well. I have to pull down on the clew pretty hard to get the mail to furl. I do not see any damage, e.g. dents or otherwise, to the mast, and it doesn't appear torqued. I have no idea what the previous owner did as far as changing out any standing rigging, but maybe something broke a while ago and didn?t get the lengths quite right.

-----Original Message-----
From: Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Thanks for the info. I've not been on another Rhodes, but I've spent considerable time on a Capri 22. Based on that, I'd say my boat has excessive weather helm, and I really appreciate the info you provided.

I've not made any adjustments to the forestay assembly, and the only thing I'm guessing on is adding 3/4" for the piece of the toggle joint that broke off to the point where the pin goes through. I measured this 6 times, and 3 times I came up with about the same measurement: 28' 1-3/4" +/- 1/8" center to center. Just to clarify, the distance from the center of the pin that goes through the chain plate to where the toggle fork broke is 28' 1", then I added 3/4" for where the piece broke off to where I think the pin would be. The forestay wire is 27' 6-1/4" (taken to the outer edge of the swage crimp). I really think I'd run out of adjustment on the backstays if the forestay was about 3.5" shorter. I'll go back out to my boat, but I'd be surprised if there was more than 1.5-2" of adjustment available on the backstays.

You also mentioned chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. The boat was a one owner and came from Wisconsin and had a Wisconsin title, and I don't know if it was ever sailed in salt water. The hull was coated in mineral deposits, which I continue to work on. But then our lake water isn't much better.

I worked on this email far to long, but I'm hoping it's relatively clear to understand.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Hi Allyn,

The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.

It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of
> work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake
> up a new f'stay for you
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were
>> made over the years.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>> at the top?
>>
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option,
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>> at the top?
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If
>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Allyn,
>>>
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>


From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 10:57:38 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:57:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
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We're still tossing around boat names. I like this. 

I've spent time trying to figure out where to put larger solar cells, but there isn't much room - maybe on the pop top, but I can't quite figure out how to get the wires run. One of the cleats on the boom will scrape across the pop top, so that might damage the solar cell. I've thought about drilling a hole in my mast, so that I can raise the boom up a few more inches, but I've not done that yet. The clear protective covering on the surface of the solar cells looks pretty bad - cracked, etc. But I'm still getting 13.5-13.6V on a sunny day.

The solar and batteries don't seem to be setup properly - both house batteries and both solar cells are wired in parallel. I'd expect one to be run back to the starter battery. I've presumed the motor has an alternator to charge the battery, but I should check this out. I believe the starter battery is about 9 years old, and I only charged it once about 1.5 years ago when I bought the boat.

My outbound doesn't have pull start - I wish it did. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:30 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside

Hey Allyn,
                I?m surprised that your boat has 3 batteries. I have 2 size 28?s on Enosis and we have lived and cruised on it for 3 months at a time.
An outboard doesn?t really need a dedicated battery as it can always be pull started and your electric start will charge it and your house batteries. If you use a lot of watt hours perhaps an up grade on the solar will take care of your needs and you can get rid of one battery to balance the boat. Just say?n. Glad you love your boat, a common affliction amongst us Rhodies. Ever thought of renaming your boat ?the House?. That way you could spend every day working on ?The House?
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:41 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> My slip is right outside the clubhouse, and I get *lots* of comments 
> such as, "What's wrong with your boat? It doesn't sit straight in the water."
> The boat has two house batteries and the starter battery on the port 
> side, and the motor is portside. The starter batter would be easy to 
> relocate starboard, but the other two won't be that easy. What have 
> you all done, if anything?
>
> I love looking at the pictures that have been posted of the boat remodels.
> Some are simply amazing, and I've downloaded many pictures since 
> joining this list. Overall, the layout works well for me with what I 
> have, and my wife says I have to get her house done before I even 
> think about doing anything else.
>
> This list has been so incredibly educational and enlightening.
>
> Allyn
>

From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 11:06:52 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 15:06:52 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
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I'm really pumped to hear you did the Bahama trip, and thanks for the advice. 

Did you sail to Greece or fly over and rent a boat there? You may have mentioned Greece in an earlier post - I seem to recall a trip like this being mentioned, but I'll have to search for this. If you sailed over, which boat did you take? My son's best friend is from Portugal, and his dad passed away a few years ago and his mom has dementia. Tough situation. He's promised to bury their ashes in Portugal, and he's invited up to sail over there on his boat when he goes.  My family originally came from the Basque area, so we'll visit there on the trip.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?

Hey Allyn Chris the other night owl typing from Kansas where my son and I share his Rhodes. The one my wife and I spend our summers on is in Greece.
I?ve sailed my first Rhodes to the Bahamas with my brother exactly 25 years ago to the day. Very cool trip. My wife and son joined when my brother returned to the States. We spent a couple of months sailing all over the islands. The Rhodes handled it all. Though we go to the Bahamas every winter (covid excepted) I think I would enjoy doing it in the Rhodes as much as in our larger boat.  Get to know your boat first, and build your sailing skills, then do the ?big? trip. Sailing the bays and inter coastal waterways is a fine way to learn sailing. Good luck, you will really enjoy your boat.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:04 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Last post for the night. We've been wanting to take the Rhodes 
> somewhere this summer, and we were wondering if there were any other 
> events like the Texas 200. I just learned about that, and it's 
> probably too late to sign up, plus I don't think my boat will be ready 
> to sail by then because of the forestay breaking. We live in Oklahoma, 
> so that location would be ideal, plus I'd like to get out in the gulf. 
> Our little lake is a circle with about a 9 mile circumference.
>
> We have close to 0 experience sailing in the ocean - I've been out 
> with my son (lives north of Miami, FL) a couple times on his Bayfield 
> 32, but that's been it. Is it too risky to pull the Rhodes to Miami 
> and sail to the Bahamas? What about sailing around the Florida mini-loop?
>
> I've been working on a project that I think will be useful for some 
> trips like these.  I recently installed a depth transducer, a radio 
> with AIS receiver, and a VHF antenna on the top of my mast that 
> supports AIS. I have a wireless NMEA 0183 multiplexor that still needs 
> installing (sitting in a closet), and I need to purchase and install a 
> GPS antenna with the NMEA interface. This won't take long to wrap up, 
> but ultimately it will connect to my iPad running Navionics. I think 
> it should work, and this has been a fun project to design. We have a 
> lot of projects going on at the house, so I work on this when I can 
> (meaning early weekend mornings). Is there any other electronics or 
> hardware that I need to consider? The boat is pretty basic - no 
> frills, and I don't have the mast crutch or winch yet, but that will happen soon.
>
> Good night all. Allyn
>

From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 11:08:43 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 15:08:43 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
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This won't be until February - yeah, we don't want to be caught in a hurricane, and hopefully Covid restrictions will lighten up by then. My son is in a welding school, so we'll leave when he gets done with that. I'm wanting to be prepared for that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 5:17 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?

I think you are a bit late in the season for going to the Bahamas aren't you? Everyone usually comes back to the States by June because of hurricane season and insurance requirements. But I have no experience with this.

Todd T.



On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 12:04 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Last post for the night. We've been wanting to take the Rhodes 
> somewhere this summer, and we were wondering if there were any other 
> events like the Texas 200. I just learned about that, and it's 
> probably too late to sign up, plus I don't think my boat will be ready 
> to sail by then because of the forestay breaking. We live in Oklahoma, 
> so that location would be ideal, plus I'd like to get out in the gulf. 
> Our little lake is a circle with about a 9 mile circumference.
>
> We have close to 0 experience sailing in the ocean - I've been out 
> with my son (lives north of Miami, FL) a couple times on his Bayfield 
> 32, but that's been it. Is it too risky to pull the Rhodes to Miami 
> and sail to the Bahamas? What about sailing around the Florida mini-loop?
>
> I've been working on a project that I think will be useful for some 
> trips like these.  I recently installed a depth transducer, a radio 
> with AIS receiver, and a VHF antenna on the top of my mast that 
> supports AIS. I have a wireless NMEA 0183 multiplexor that still needs 
> installing (sitting in a closet), and I need to purchase and install a 
> GPS antenna with the NMEA interface. This won't take long to wrap up, 
> but ultimately it will connect to my iPad running Navionics. I think 
> it should work, and this has been a fun project to design. We have a 
> lot of projects going on at the house, so I work on this when I can 
> (meaning early weekend mornings). Is there any other electronics or 
> hardware that I need to consider? The boat is pretty basic - no 
> frills, and I don't have the mast crutch or winch yet, but that will happen soon.
>
> Good night all. Allyn
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jun  4 11:16:36 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 15:16:36 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
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Allyn,
Your outboard doesn't have a pull start?  Mine is also an electric start, but has an emergency pull start.  If you pull the cowling off your motor, is there not a place you can attach an emergency pull cord?  I keep a cord on hand (somewhere). - Rob

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Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:57 AM
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We're still tossing around boat names. I like this.

I've spent time trying to figure out where to put larger solar cells, but there isn't much room - maybe on the pop top, but I can't quite figure out how to get the wires run. One of the cleats on the boom will scrape across the pop top, so that might damage the solar cell. I've thought about drilling a hole in my mast, so that I can raise the boom up a few more inches, but I've not done that yet. The clear protective covering on the surface of the solar cells looks pretty bad - cracked, etc. But I'm still getting 13.5-13.6V on a sunny day.

The solar and batteries don't seem to be setup properly - both house batteries and both solar cells are wired in parallel. I'd expect one to be run back to the starter battery. I've presumed the motor has an alternator to charge the battery, but I should check this out. I believe the starter battery is about 9 years old, and I only charged it once about 1.5 years ago when I bought the boat.

My outbound doesn't have pull start - I wish it did.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:30 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside

Hey Allyn,
                I?m surprised that your boat has 3 batteries. I have 2 size 28?s on Enosis and we have lived and cruised on it for 3 months at a time.
An outboard doesn?t really need a dedicated battery as it can always be pull started and your electric start will charge it and your house batteries. If you use a lot of watt hours perhaps an up grade on the solar will take care of your needs and you can get rid of one battery to balance the boat. Just say?n. Glad you love your boat, a common affliction amongst us Rhodies. Ever thought of renaming your boat ?the House?. That way you could spend every day working on ?The House?
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:41 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> My slip is right outside the clubhouse, and I get *lots* of comments
> such as, "What's wrong with your boat? It doesn't sit straight in the water."
> The boat has two house batteries and the starter battery on the port
> side, and the motor is portside. The starter batter would be easy to
> relocate starboard, but the other two won't be that easy. What have
> you all done, if anything?
>
> I love looking at the pictures that have been posted of the boat remodels.
> Some are simply amazing, and I've downloaded many pictures since
> joining this list. Overall, the layout works well for me with what I
> have, and my wife says I have to get her house done before I even
> think about doing anything else.
>
> This list has been so incredibly educational and enlightening.
>
> Allyn
>

From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 11:22:43 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 15:22:43 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard
	Snapped	-	What's	at	the	top?
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Yes, my R-22 has IMF. My sail has no battens, the angle of the front of the sail is > 90 degrees (I'd guess around 93 degrees, so the boom angles down slightly), and there is sail area aft of the line you mention. It's obviously not close to the pure triangle that you mention. It does have the bead on the leading edge to fit in the furler tube. I'll check out the backstay in more detail tomorrow - I've not really looked at this too much, and it's still adjusted to the point it was in when the boat was purchased.

Regarding the furling tube, I'd need to measure this, but I'd say there is at least 5-6". I don't think that would be a problem shortening the forestay.

Thanks for the response, Roger.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 6:01 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

Remind me again, does your R-22 have IMF?  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a conventional mainsail.  The IMF mainsail does not have battens and less roach vs. a conventional mainsail.  A mainsail is not a triangle.  If you were to draw a line from the head to the clew, you would find a conventional mainsail has some sail area aft of this line and an IMF mainsail has almost none.  In other words, an IMF mainsail is closer to a pure triangle vs. a conventional mainsail.  This ?extra? sail area is called roach.  IMF mainsails don?t have the battens which are necessary to support the extra sail area in the roach, so they can?t have much roach.  All else being equal, this lack of roach moves the center of effort (CE) of an IMF mainsail slightly forward vs. a conventional mainsail.  This would mean the mast needs to be tilted slightly more aft on an IMF rig to balance the weather helm/lee helm balance.  So, if you have IMF, your longer forestay measurement makes sense.  Believe your tape measure, especially if you?ve measured it several times and gotten the same result.  The real question is, do you like your boat?s present weather helm/lee hem balance?  If you would like less weather helm, shorten the forestay.  More weather helm, lengthen the forestay.  Shortening the forestay by 3.5 inches would significantly reduce your weather helm.

You probably have more backstay adjustment than you think.  Remember, you also have the double backstay adjuster rigging, which has a range of at least 12 inches.  As long as the slack double backstays are long enough to step the mast and hook up the forestay pin to the bow chain plate, the double backstay adjuster will take up whatever slack remains.  Another thing to consider ? How long is your CDI furling tube?  If you shortened the forestay by 3.5 inches, would the furling tube be too long?  You might consider shortening the forestay until the upper end of the furling tube just clears the toggle joint at the masthead.  That would be the best you can do to reduce weather helm without modifying your furling tube.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Thanks for the info. I've not been on another Rhodes, but I've spent considerable time on a Capri 22. Based on that, I'd say my boat has excessive weather helm, and I really appreciate the info you provided.

I've not made any adjustments to the forestay assembly, and the only thing I'm guessing on is adding 3/4" for the piece of the toggle joint that broke off to the point where the pin goes through. I measured this 6 times, and 3 times I came up with about the same measurement: 28' 1-3/4" +/- 1/8" center to center. Just to clarify, the distance from the center of the pin that goes through the chain plate to where the toggle fork broke is 28' 1", then I added 3/4" for where the piece broke off to where I think the pin would be. The forestay wire is 27' 6-1/4" (taken to the outer edge of the swage crimp). I really think I'd run out of adjustment on the backstays if the forestay was about 3.5" shorter. I'll go back out to my boat, but I'd be surprised if there was more than 1.5-2" of adjustment available on the backstays.

You also mentioned chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. The boat was a one owner and came from Wisconsin and had a Wisconsin title, and I don't know if it was ever sailed in salt water. The hull was coated in mineral deposits, which I continue to work on. But then our lake water isn't much better.

I worked on this email far to long, but I'm hoping it's relatively clear to understand.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Hi Allyn,

The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.

It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of 
> work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake 
> up a new f'stay for you
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were 
>> made over the years.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>>
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the 
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the 
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and 
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone 
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, 
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such 
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt 
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Allyn,
>>>
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>


From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jun  4 11:29:03 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 15:29:03 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
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I had forgotten Chris had sailed to the Bahamas.  I don't think it's a trip to take lightly, but apparently, it's doable.  We have friends on a 40-footer that make the crossing and they are very meticulous in how they cross.  I'm not sure my skills are up to the task.

I recall a few posts many years ago from a Rhodie who crossed over to the Bahamas.  I don't know if the archives still has that account.  But the guy gathered his wife and two daughters up and just sort of made the trip over.  No real specially provisioning or planning or even communications.  It scared the crap out of me that someone could be that flippant about such a journey. Still, they made it and wrote about it.  Maybe it's just me that's the wimp! - rob

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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 11:06 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?

I'm really pumped to hear you did the Bahama trip, and thanks for the advice.

Did you sail to Greece or fly over and rent a boat there? You may have mentioned Greece in an earlier post - I seem to recall a trip like this being mentioned, but I'll have to search for this. If you sailed over, which boat did you take? My son's best friend is from Portugal, and his dad passed away a few years ago and his mom has dementia. Tough situation. He's promised to bury their ashes in Portugal, and he's invited up to sail over there on his boat when he goes.  My family originally came from the Basque area, so we'll visit there on the trip.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?

Hey Allyn Chris the other night owl typing from Kansas where my son and I share his Rhodes. The one my wife and I spend our summers on is in Greece.
I?ve sailed my first Rhodes to the Bahamas with my brother exactly 25 years ago to the day. Very cool trip. My wife and son joined when my brother returned to the States. We spent a couple of months sailing all over the islands. The Rhodes handled it all. Though we go to the Bahamas every winter (covid excepted) I think I would enjoy doing it in the Rhodes as much as in our larger boat.  Get to know your boat first, and build your sailing skills, then do the ?big? trip. Sailing the bays and inter coastal waterways is a fine way to learn sailing. Good luck, you will really enjoy your boat.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:04 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Last post for the night. We've been wanting to take the Rhodes
> somewhere this summer, and we were wondering if there were any other
> events like the Texas 200. I just learned about that, and it's
> probably too late to sign up, plus I don't think my boat will be ready
> to sail by then because of the forestay breaking. We live in Oklahoma,
> so that location would be ideal, plus I'd like to get out in the gulf.
> Our little lake is a circle with about a 9 mile circumference.
>
> We have close to 0 experience sailing in the ocean - I've been out
> with my son (lives north of Miami, FL) a couple times on his Bayfield
> 32, but that's been it. Is it too risky to pull the Rhodes to Miami
> and sail to the Bahamas? What about sailing around the Florida mini-loop?
>
> I've been working on a project that I think will be useful for some
> trips like these.  I recently installed a depth transducer, a radio
> with AIS receiver, and a VHF antenna on the top of my mast that
> supports AIS. I have a wireless NMEA 0183 multiplexor that still needs
> installing (sitting in a closet), and I need to purchase and install a
> GPS antenna with the NMEA interface. This won't take long to wrap up,
> but ultimately it will connect to my iPad running Navionics. I think
> it should work, and this has been a fun project to design. We have a
> lot of projects going on at the house, so I work on this when I can
> (meaning early weekend mornings). Is there any other electronics or
> hardware that I need to consider? The boat is pretty basic - no
> frills, and I don't have the mast crutch or winch yet, but that will happen soon.
>
> Good night all. Allyn
>

From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 11:44:40 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 15:44:40 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
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I've specifically looked for this in the past - when the cowling is removed, the flywheel is covered by a plastic shroud. I've attached an image of an identical motor:



[cid:image001.png at 01D7592E.A0E3A480]



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:17 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside



Allyn,

Your outboard doesn't have a pull start?  Mine is also an electric start, but has an emergency pull start.  If you pull the cowling off your motor, is there not a place you can attach an emergency pull cord?  I keep a cord on hand (somewhere). - Rob



________________________________

From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>>

Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:57 AM

To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside



We're still tossing around boat names. I like this.



I've spent time trying to figure out where to put larger solar cells, but there isn't much room - maybe on the pop top, but I can't quite figure out how to get the wires run. One of the cleats on the boom will scrape across the pop top, so that might damage the solar cell. I've thought about drilling a hole in my mast, so that I can raise the boom up a few more inches, but I've not done that yet. The clear protective covering on the surface of the solar cells looks pretty bad - cracked, etc. But I'm still getting 13.5-13.6V on a sunny day.



The solar and batteries don't seem to be setup properly - both house batteries and both solar cells are wired in parallel. I'd expect one to be run back to the starter battery. I've presumed the motor has an alternator to charge the battery, but I should check this out. I believe the starter battery is about 9 years old, and I only charged it once about 1.5 years ago when I bought the boat.



My outbound doesn't have pull start - I wish it did.



-----Original Message-----

From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis

Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:30 PM

To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside



Hey Allyn,

                I'm surprised that your boat has 3 batteries. I have 2 size 28's on Enosis and we have lived and cruised on it for 3 months at a time.

An outboard doesn't really need a dedicated battery as it can always be pull started and your electric start will charge it and your house batteries. If you use a lot of watt hours perhaps an up grade on the solar will take care of your needs and you can get rid of one battery to balance the boat. Just say'n. Glad you love your boat, a common affliction amongst us Rhodies. Ever thought of renaming your boat "the House". That way you could spend every day working on "The House"

Chris Geankoplis

Enosis



On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:41 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>> wrote:



> My slip is right outside the clubhouse, and I get *lots* of comments

> such as, "What's wrong with your boat? It doesn't sit straight in the water."

> The boat has two house batteries and the starter battery on the port

> side, and the motor is portside. The starter batter would be easy to

> relocate starboard, but the other two won't be that easy. What have

> you all done, if anything?

>

> I love looking at the pictures that have been posted of the boat remodels.

> Some are simply amazing, and I've downloaded many pictures since

> joining this list. Overall, the layout works well for me with what I

> have, and my wife says I have to get her house done before I even

> think about doing anything else.

>

> This list has been so incredibly educational and enlightening.

>

> Allyn

>
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From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 11:45:43 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 15:45:43 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
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Forgot to mention that this is a Yamaha T8.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Allyn Baskerville
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:45 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside

I've specifically looked for this in the past - when the cowling is removed, the flywheel is covered by a plastic shroud. I've attached an image of an identical motor:



[cid:image001.png at 01D7592E.A0E3A480]



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lowe, Rob
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:17 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside



Allyn,

Your outboard doesn't have a pull start?  Mine is also an electric start, but has an emergency pull start.  If you pull the cowling off your motor, is there not a place you can attach an emergency pull cord?  I keep a cord on hand (somewhere). - Rob



________________________________

From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>>

Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:57 AM

To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside



We're still tossing around boat names. I like this.



I've spent time trying to figure out where to put larger solar cells, but there isn't much room - maybe on the pop top, but I can't quite figure out how to get the wires run. One of the cleats on the boom will scrape across the pop top, so that might damage the solar cell. I've thought about drilling a hole in my mast, so that I can raise the boom up a few more inches, but I've not done that yet. The clear protective covering on the surface of the solar cells looks pretty bad - cracked, etc. But I'm still getting 13.5-13.6V on a sunny day.



The solar and batteries don't seem to be setup properly - both house batteries and both solar cells are wired in parallel. I'd expect one to be run back to the starter battery. I've presumed the motor has an alternator to charge the battery, but I should check this out. I believe the starter battery is about 9 years old, and I only charged it once about 1.5 years ago when I bought the boat.



My outbound doesn't have pull start - I wish it did.



-----Original Message-----

From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis

Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:30 PM

To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>

Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside



Hey Allyn,

                I'm surprised that your boat has 3 batteries. I have 2 size 28's on Enosis and we have lived and cruised on it for 3 months at a time.

An outboard doesn't really need a dedicated battery as it can always be pull started and your electric start will charge it and your house batteries. If you use a lot of watt hours perhaps an up grade on the solar will take care of your needs and you can get rid of one battery to balance the boat. Just say'n. Glad you love your boat, a common affliction amongst us Rhodies. Ever thought of renaming your boat "the House". That way you could spend every day working on "The House"

Chris Geankoplis

Enosis



On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:41 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>> wrote:



> My slip is right outside the clubhouse, and I get *lots* of comments

> such as, "What's wrong with your boat? It doesn't sit straight in the water."

> The boat has two house batteries and the starter battery on the port

> side, and the motor is portside. The starter batter would be easy to

> relocate starboard, but the other two won't be that easy. What have

> you all done, if anything?

>

> I love looking at the pictures that have been posted of the boat remodels.

> Some are simply amazing, and I've downloaded many pictures since

> joining this list. Overall, the layout works well for me with what I

> have, and my wife says I have to get her house done before I even

> think about doing anything else.

>

> This list has been so incredibly educational and enlightening.

>

> Allyn

>
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Jun  4 11:57:10 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 10:57:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
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Looks like the t8 without the manual handle installed requires you to pull
off the flywheel cover as well..

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 10:45 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Forgot to mention that this is a Yamaha T8.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Allyn Baskerville
> Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
>
> I've specifically looked for this in the past - when the cowling is
> removed, the flywheel is covered by a plastic shroud. I've attached an
> image of an identical motor:
>
>
>
> [cid:image001.png at 01D7592E.A0E3A480]
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Lowe, Rob
> Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:17 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
>
>
>
> Allyn,
>
> Your outboard doesn't have a pull start?  Mine is also an electric start,
> but has an emergency pull start.  If you pull the cowling off your motor,
> is there not a place you can attach an emergency pull cord?  I keep a cord
> on hand (somewhere). - Rob
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> on behalf of Allyn Baskerville <
> allynb at adsne.com<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>>
>
> Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 10:57 AM
>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
>
>
>
> We're still tossing around boat names. I like this.
>
>
>
> I've spent time trying to figure out where to put larger solar cells, but
> there isn't much room - maybe on the pop top, but I can't quite figure out
> how to get the wires run. One of the cleats on the boom will scrape across
> the pop top, so that might damage the solar cell. I've thought about
> drilling a hole in my mast, so that I can raise the boom up a few more
> inches, but I've not done that yet. The clear protective covering on the
> surface of the solar cells looks pretty bad - cracked, etc. But I'm still
> getting 13.5-13.6V on a sunny day.
>
>
>
> The solar and batteries don't seem to be setup properly - both house
> batteries and both solar cells are wired in parallel. I'd expect one to be
> run back to the starter battery. I've presumed the motor has an alternator
> to charge the battery, but I should check this out. I believe the starter
> battery is about 9 years old, and I only charged it once about 1.5 years
> ago when I bought the boat.
>
>
>
> My outbound doesn't have pull start - I wish it did.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org<mailto:
> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:30 PM
>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
>
>
>
> Hey Allyn,
>
>                 I'm surprised that your boat has 3 batteries. I have 2
> size 28's on Enosis and we have lived and cruised on it for 3 months at a
> time.
>
> An outboard doesn't really need a dedicated battery as it can always be
> pull started and your electric start will charge it and your house
> batteries. If you use a lot of watt hours perhaps an up grade on the solar
> will take care of your needs and you can get rid of one battery to balance
> the boat. Just say'n. Glad you love your boat, a common affliction amongst
> us Rhodies. Ever thought of renaming your boat "the House". That way you
> could spend every day working on "The House"
>
> Chris Geankoplis
>
> Enosis
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:41 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com
> <mailto:allynb at adsne.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
> > My slip is right outside the clubhouse, and I get *lots* of comments
>
> > such as, "What's wrong with your boat? It doesn't sit straight in the
> water."
>
> > The boat has two house batteries and the starter battery on the port
>
> > side, and the motor is portside. The starter batter would be easy to
>
> > relocate starboard, but the other two won't be that easy. What have
>
> > you all done, if anything?
>
> >
>
> > I love looking at the pictures that have been posted of the boat
> remodels.
>
> > Some are simply amazing, and I've downloaded many pictures since
>
> > joining this list. Overall, the layout works well for me with what I
>
> > have, and my wife says I have to get her house done before I even
>
> > think about doing anything else.
>
> >
>
> > This list has been so incredibly educational and enlightening.
>
> >
>
> > Allyn
>
> >
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jun  4 12:03:45 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2021 09:03:45 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
Message-ID: <E1lpCIT-00CBY5-Eu@s152.servername.online>

The full write-up of Bill Wickman's 2006 trip to the Bahamas is available on the 'Cruising Tales' page of the website: http://www.rhodes22.org/cruising.html

--Peter

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jun  4 13:38:42 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:38:42 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire
	Halyard	Snapped	-	What's	at	the	top?
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Allyn,

The attached photo is my mainsail spread out on my front lawn.  There is a yellow tape measure stretched between the head and the clew.  The battens are lying on top of the sail next to their respective batten pockets.  You can see how much roach the sail has to the left of the tape measure.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 11:22 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Yes, my R-22 has IMF. My sail has no battens, the angle of the front of the sail is > 90 degrees (I'd guess around 93 degrees, so the boom angles down slightly), and there is sail area aft of the line you mention. It's obviously not close to the pure triangle that you mention. It does have the bead on the leading edge to fit in the furler tube. I'll check out the backstay in more detail tomorrow - I've not really looked at this too much, and it's still adjusted to the point it was in when the boat was purchased.

Regarding the furling tube, I'd need to measure this, but I'd say there is at least 5-6". I don't think that would be a problem shortening the forestay.

Thanks for the response, Roger.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 6:01 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

Remind me again, does your R-22 have IMF?  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a conventional mainsail.  The IMF mainsail does not have battens and less roach vs. a conventional mainsail.  A mainsail is not a triangle.  If you were to draw a line from the head to the clew, you would find a conventional mainsail has some sail area aft of this line and an IMF mainsail has almost none.  In other words, an IMF mainsail is closer to a pure triangle vs. a conventional mainsail.  This ?extra? sail area is called roach.  IMF mainsails don?t have the battens which are necessary to support the extra sail area in the roach, so they can?t have much roach.  All else being equal, this lack of roach moves the center of effort (CE) of an IMF mainsail slightly forward vs. a conventional mainsail.  This would mean the mast needs to be tilted slightly more aft on an IMF rig to balance the weather helm/lee helm balance.  So, if you have IMF, your longer forestay measurement makes sense.  Believe your tape measure, especially if you?ve measured it several times and gotten the same result.  The real question is, do you like your boat?s present weather helm/lee hem balance?  If you would like less weather helm, shorten the forestay.  More weather helm, lengthen the forestay.  Shortening the forestay by 3.5 inches would significantly reduce your weather helm.

You probably have more backstay adjustment than you think.  Remember, you also have the double backstay adjuster rigging, which has a range of at least 12 inches.  As long as the slack double backstays are long enough to step the mast and hook up the forestay pin to the bow chain plate, the double backstay adjuster will take up whatever slack remains.  Another thing to consider ? How long is your CDI furling tube?  If you shortened the forestay by 3.5 inches, would the furling tube be too long?  You might consider shortening the forestay until the upper end of the furling tube just clears the toggle joint at the masthead.  That would be the best you can do to reduce weather helm without modifying your furling tube.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Thanks for the info. I've not been on another Rhodes, but I've spent considerable time on a Capri 22. Based on that, I'd say my boat has excessive weather helm, and I really appreciate the info you provided.

I've not made any adjustments to the forestay assembly, and the only thing I'm guessing on is adding 3/4" for the piece of the toggle joint that broke off to the point where the pin goes through. I measured this 6 times, and 3 times I came up with about the same measurement: 28' 1-3/4" +/- 1/8" center to center. Just to clarify, the distance from the center of the pin that goes through the chain plate to where the toggle fork broke is 28' 1", then I added 3/4" for where the piece broke off to where I think the pin would be. The forestay wire is 27' 6-1/4" (taken to the outer edge of the swage crimp). I really think I'd run out of adjustment on the backstays if the forestay was about 3.5" shorter. I'll go back out to my boat, but I'd be surprised if there was more than 1.5-2" of adjustment available on the backstays.

You also mentioned chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. The boat was a one owner and came from Wisconsin and had a Wisconsin title, and I don't know if it was ever sailed in salt water. The hull was coated in mineral deposits, which I continue to work on. But then our lake water isn't much better.

I worked on this email far to long, but I'm hoping it's relatively clear to understand.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Hi Allyn,

The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.

It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of
> work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake
> up a new f'stay for you
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were
>> made over the years.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>> at the top?
>>
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option,
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>> at the top?
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If
>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Allyn,
>>>
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>

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From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 16:57:00 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 20:57:00 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler
	Wire	Halyard	Snapped	-	What's	at	the	top?
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The sail on my boat isn't quite like yours - it's not rounded and there is a definite corner with about 160 degree angle. It looks more like a humpback whale, and there is a piece of Velcro coming out of the hump. My only thought is that the Velcro can be used to wrap the mast around the mast during transportation.

Also, I've been looking at Hayn hardware for the forestay. I missed the hardware length on the toggle at the top - I estimated 3/4" but it's 2.5". That makes the length from center-to-center of the pins at 28' 3-3/4". Roger, you said your boat doesn't have an IMF, correct? Are the mast heights any different between standard and IMF masts? I've measures 1/2 a dozen more times. 

*** Whatever broke off is at the bottom of the lake. I've attached two pictures, and I was convinced until 20 minutes ago my boat's forestay was made just like Silverheels. However, look at the top of the wire picture. That looks like the tail end of a thread and not where there was a T. It doesn't seem reasonable there would be adjustment at the top, and I wish I had paid more attention to this area in the past.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 12:39 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The attached photo is my mainsail spread out on my front lawn.  There is a yellow tape measure stretched between the head and the clew.  The battens are lying on top of the sail next to their respective batten pockets.  You can see how much roach the sail has to the left of the tape measure.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 11:22 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Yes, my R-22 has IMF. My sail has no battens, the angle of the front of the sail is > 90 degrees (I'd guess around 93 degrees, so the boom angles down slightly), and there is sail area aft of the line you mention. It's obviously not close to the pure triangle that you mention. It does have the bead on the leading edge to fit in the furler tube. I'll check out the backstay in more detail tomorrow - I've not really looked at this too much, and it's still adjusted to the point it was in when the boat was purchased.

Regarding the furling tube, I'd need to measure this, but I'd say there is at least 5-6". I don't think that would be a problem shortening the forestay.

Thanks for the response, Roger.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 6:01 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

Remind me again, does your R-22 have IMF?  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a conventional mainsail.  The IMF mainsail does not have battens and less roach vs. a conventional mainsail.  A mainsail is not a triangle.  If you were to draw a line from the head to the clew, you would find a conventional mainsail has some sail area aft of this line and an IMF mainsail has almost none.  In other words, an IMF mainsail is closer to a pure triangle vs. a conventional mainsail.  This ?extra? sail area is called roach.  IMF mainsails don?t have the battens which are necessary to support the extra sail area in the roach, so they can?t have much roach.  All else being equal, this lack of roach moves the center of effort (CE) of an IMF mainsail slightly forward vs. a conventional mainsail.  This would mean the mast needs to be tilted slightly more aft on an IMF rig to balance the weather helm/lee helm balance.  So, if you have IMF, your longer forestay measurement makes sense.  Believe your tape measure, especially if you?ve measured it several times and gotten the same result.  The real question is, do you like your boat?s present weather helm/lee hem balance?  If you would like less weather helm, shorten the forestay.  More weather helm, lengthen the forestay.  Shortening the forestay by 3.5 inches would significantly reduce your weather helm.

You probably have more backstay adjustment than you think.  Remember, you also have the double backstay adjuster rigging, which has a range of at least 12 inches.  As long as the slack double backstays are long enough to step the mast and hook up the forestay pin to the bow chain plate, the double backstay adjuster will take up whatever slack remains.  Another thing to consider ? How long is your CDI furling tube?  If you shortened the forestay by 3.5 inches, would the furling tube be too long?  You might consider shortening the forestay until the upper end of the furling tube just clears the toggle joint at the masthead.  That would be the best you can do to reduce weather helm without modifying your furling tube.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Thanks for the info. I've not been on another Rhodes, but I've spent considerable time on a Capri 22. Based on that, I'd say my boat has excessive weather helm, and I really appreciate the info you provided.

I've not made any adjustments to the forestay assembly, and the only thing I'm guessing on is adding 3/4" for the piece of the toggle joint that broke off to the point where the pin goes through. I measured this 6 times, and 3 times I came up with about the same measurement: 28' 1-3/4" +/- 1/8" center to center. Just to clarify, the distance from the center of the pin that goes through the chain plate to where the toggle fork broke is 28' 1", then I added 3/4" for where the piece broke off to where I think the pin would be. The forestay wire is 27' 6-1/4" (taken to the outer edge of the swage crimp). I really think I'd run out of adjustment on the backstays if the forestay was about 3.5" shorter. I'll go back out to my boat, but I'd be surprised if there was more than 1.5-2" of adjustment available on the backstays.

You also mentioned chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. The boat was a one owner and came from Wisconsin and had a Wisconsin title, and I don't know if it was ever sailed in salt water. The hull was coated in mineral deposits, which I continue to work on. But then our lake water isn't much better.

I worked on this email far to long, but I'm hoping it's relatively clear to understand.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Hi Allyn,

The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.

It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of 
> work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake 
> up a new f'stay for you
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were 
>> made over the years.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>>
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just 
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle 
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also 
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the 
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the 
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and 
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone 
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the 
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option, 
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's 
>> at the top?
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If 
>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle 
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your 
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such 
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt 
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All 
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Allyn,
>>>
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and 
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>

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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 17:23:40 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:23:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
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Just so I don't mislead anyone, it may be a good idea to run the gas out of
your outboard each time you use it.

I bought an outboard today and the dealer told me you'd have to be a
complete idiot to not drain the gas each time.

I didn't tell him that I'm a complete idiot, but I do plan on following his
instructions.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22 soon
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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 17:38:13 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:38:13 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
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Hey Chris,

I think I told you that Manhattan (the Little Apple) is my hometown.  Are
you guys at the Blue Valley Yacht Club?  I believe the Rhodes might be the
closest thing they have to a yacht.

https://bvyc.clubexpress.com/ <https://bvyc.clubexpress.com/>  

Lee
1999 Rhodes22
Claytor Lake, VA



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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 17:45:00 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:45:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
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Allyn,

I used to get the same comments.  I think it's because the boat wants to
sail so bad that it's always heeling.

Lee Hurricane-3.jpeg
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/Hurricane-3.jpeg>  

Lee 
1999 Rhodes22
Claytor Lake, VA




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From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 17:46:37 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 21:46:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
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Do you mean disconnect the fuel line and suck everything out of the carb? Or install a petcock valve? I never thought about this for my boat, but I shutoff the petcock valve on my generator and run it until it dies. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 4:24 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.

Just so I don't mislead anyone, it may be a good idea to run the gas out of your outboard each time you use it.

I bought an outboard today and the dealer told me you'd have to be a complete idiot to not drain the gas each time.

I didn't tell him that I'm a complete idiot, but I do plan on following his instructions.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22 soon
Claytor Lake, VA



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From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 17:47:48 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 21:47:48 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
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Yes, it matches!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 4:45 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside

Allyn,

I used to get the same comments.  I think it's because the boat wants to sail so bad that it's always heeling.

Lee Hurricane-3.jpeg
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Lee
1999 Rhodes22
Claytor Lake, VA




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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jun  4 17:49:58 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2021 14:49:58 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the
	top?
Message-ID: <E1lpHhW-00EayU-FT@s152.servername.online>

Allyn,

Your hardware looks just like mine.  I had what looked like the start of a thread at the end of the piece at the top of the stay.  The threads were just how the 'shaft' was attached to the 'barrel'.  It wasn't an adjustment point.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 17:52:39 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 14:52:39 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
Message-ID: <1622843559611-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for boats. 
Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My outboard
is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.

Do any of you all insure your outboards?

Lee
1999 Rhodes22
Claytor Lake, VA



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From allynb at adsne.com  Fri Jun  4 17:55:03 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 21:55:03 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at
	the	top?
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I'm so glad to hear this. Thank you again. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 4:50 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

Your hardware looks just like mine.  I had what looked like the start of a thread at the end of the piece at the top of the stay.  The threads were just how the 'shaft' was attached to the 'barrel'.  It wasn't an adjustment point.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

From rweiss at siu.edu  Fri Jun  4 17:58:08 2021
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 21:58:08 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
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I?m insured by Geico through Boat US and don?t see anything that excludes my 8 hp outboard that is included in the valuation.

Bob
Beach Spring

Robert L. Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 4:52:39 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for boats.
Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My outboard
is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.

Do any of you all insure your outboards?

Lee
1999 Rhodes22
Claytor Lake, VA



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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 17:59:55 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:59:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
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Lee, I have my boat insured along with my autos and homeowners insurance.
They cover the motor if it falls off, but not the piece that breaks? Go
figure.
Cary
S/V  Whisper '86
Radford, VA


On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 5:52 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for
> boats.
> Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My outboard
> is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
> could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
>
> Do any of you all insure your outboards?
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 18:07:15 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:07:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
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Hey Lee,
           Yes we are staying with my son who is a professor at K-state.
One boat is at blue valley YC. That is the restored Ensenada 20. The Red
Rhodes is over at the other lake, Milford. Small world.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 4:38 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Chris,
>
> I think I told you that Manhattan (the Little Apple) is my hometown.  Are
> you guys at the Blue Valley Yacht Club?  I believe the Rhodes might be the
> closest thing they have to a yacht.
>
> https://bvyc.clubexpress.com/ <https://bvyc.clubexpress.com/>
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jun  4 18:10:34 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 22:10:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI
	Furler	Wire	Halyard	Snapped	-	What's	at	the	top?
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Hi Allyn,

OK, I just went out and measured my mast.  From the top of the masthead casting to the bottom of the mast, my mast measures 25 ft, 6 inches long.  This was measured in one step with a long tape measure.  So, I?m pretty certain of the measurement.

It is my understanding that the standard rig and the IMF rig have the same length mast.  But, I would ask someone with an IMF mainsail to measure the length of their mast to confirm this.

It would do no good for me to measure the length of terminal on the forestay because I have a Harken Unit 0 roller furler, not a CDI roller furler.  The hardware is different.  However, the 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches pin to pin forestay length I gave you includes the length of the terminals at each end.  So, it should translate as long as the mast length is the same.  I have no explanation why you are coming up with a 28 ft, 3-3/4 inches pin to pin forestay length.  A few inches I can explain away with the differences in required mast tilt between the standard mainsail vs. the IMF mainsail.  But, over a foot, that?s a huge difference!

I?m about getting to the point to send you to Stan before I tell you to do something that?s wrong.  I don?t have experience with the IMF rig and my R-22 doesn?t have the CDI roller furler either.  I think I need to just shut up and listen at this point.

I?m sorry Allyn; but, I don?t think I can help you.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 4:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

The sail on my boat isn't quite like yours - it's not rounded and there is a definite corner with about 160 degree angle. It looks more like a humpback whale, and there is a piece of Velcro coming out of the hump. My only thought is that the Velcro can be used to wrap the mast around the mast during transportation.

Also, I've been looking at Hayn hardware for the forestay. I missed the hardware length on the toggle at the top - I estimated 3/4" but it's 2.5". That makes the length from center-to-center of the pins at 28' 3-3/4". Roger, you said your boat doesn't have an IMF, correct? Are the mast heights any different between standard and IMF masts? I've measures 1/2 a dozen more times.

*** Whatever broke off is at the bottom of the lake. I've attached two pictures, and I was convinced until 20 minutes ago my boat's forestay was made just like Silverheels. However, look at the top of the wire picture. That looks like the tail end of a thread and not where there was a T. It doesn't seem reasonable there would be adjustment at the top, and I wish I had paid more attention to this area in the past.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 12:39 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The attached photo is my mainsail spread out on my front lawn.  There is a yellow tape measure stretched between the head and the clew.  The battens are lying on top of the sail next to their respective batten pockets.  You can see how much roach the sail has to the left of the tape measure.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 11:22 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Yes, my R-22 has IMF. My sail has no battens, the angle of the front of the sail is > 90 degrees (I'd guess around 93 degrees, so the boom angles down slightly), and there is sail area aft of the line you mention. It's obviously not close to the pure triangle that you mention. It does have the bead on the leading edge to fit in the furler tube. I'll check out the backstay in more detail tomorrow - I've not really looked at this too much, and it's still adjusted to the point it was in when the boat was purchased.

Regarding the furling tube, I'd need to measure this, but I'd say there is at least 5-6". I don't think that would be a problem shortening the forestay.

Thanks for the response, Roger.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 6:01 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

Remind me again, does your R-22 have IMF?  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a conventional mainsail.  The IMF mainsail does not have battens and less roach vs. a conventional mainsail.  A mainsail is not a triangle.  If you were to draw a line from the head to the clew, you would find a conventional mainsail has some sail area aft of this line and an IMF mainsail has almost none.  In other words, an IMF mainsail is closer to a pure triangle vs. a conventional mainsail.  This ?extra? sail area is called roach.  IMF mainsails don?t have the battens which are necessary to support the extra sail area in the roach, so they can?t have much roach.  All else being equal, this lack of roach moves the center of effort (CE) of an IMF mainsail slightly forward vs. a conventional mainsail.  This would mean the mast needs to be tilted slightly more aft on an IMF rig to balance the weather helm/lee helm balance.  So, if you have IMF, your longer forestay measurement makes sense.  Believe your tape measure, especially if you?ve measured it several times and gotten the same result.  The real question is, do you like your boat?s present weather helm/lee hem balance?  If you would like less weather helm, shorten the forestay.  More weather helm, lengthen the forestay.  Shortening the forestay by 3.5 inches would significantly reduce your weather helm.

You probably have more backstay adjustment than you think.  Remember, you also have the double backstay adjuster rigging, which has a range of at least 12 inches.  As long as the slack double backstays are long enough to step the mast and hook up the forestay pin to the bow chain plate, the double backstay adjuster will take up whatever slack remains.  Another thing to consider ? How long is your CDI furling tube?  If you shortened the forestay by 3.5 inches, would the furling tube be too long?  You might consider shortening the forestay until the upper end of the furling tube just clears the toggle joint at the masthead.  That would be the best you can do to reduce weather helm without modifying your furling tube.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Thanks for the info. I've not been on another Rhodes, but I've spent considerable time on a Capri 22. Based on that, I'd say my boat has excessive weather helm, and I really appreciate the info you provided.

I've not made any adjustments to the forestay assembly, and the only thing I'm guessing on is adding 3/4" for the piece of the toggle joint that broke off to the point where the pin goes through. I measured this 6 times, and 3 times I came up with about the same measurement: 28' 1-3/4" +/- 1/8" center to center. Just to clarify, the distance from the center of the pin that goes through the chain plate to where the toggle fork broke is 28' 1", then I added 3/4" for where the piece broke off to where I think the pin would be. The forestay wire is 27' 6-1/4" (taken to the outer edge of the swage crimp). I really think I'd run out of adjustment on the backstays if the forestay was about 3.5" shorter. I'll go back out to my boat, but I'd be surprised if there was more than 1.5-2" of adjustment available on the backstays.

You also mentioned chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. The boat was a one owner and came from Wisconsin and had a Wisconsin title, and I don't know if it was ever sailed in salt water. The hull was coated in mineral deposits, which I continue to work on. But then our lake water isn't much better.

I worked on this email far to long, but I'm hoping it's relatively clear to understand.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:46 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Hi Allyn,

The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.

It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?

Allyn,

The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.

Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>
> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Richard Beytagh
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>
> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of
> work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake
> up a new f'stay for you
>
>
> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>
> Richard Beytagh
> Phone: 828 337 0180
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>
>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were
>> made over the years.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Allyn Baskerville
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>> at the top?
>>
>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just
>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle
>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also
>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>
>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the
>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the
>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and
>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone
>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>
>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the
>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option,
>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>> at the top?
>>
>> Peter,
>>
>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If
>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle
>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your
>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such
>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt
>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All
>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Allyn,
>>>
>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and
>>> the
>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>
>>> Best of luck,
>>>
>>> Peter
>>

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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 18:13:00 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:13:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
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Hi Allyn,
              I shipped my Rhodes over on a RORO ship out of Baltimore to
Barcelona. If you go to the rhodes22.org site there is a write up on the
trips.   Sailing trans Atlantic should improve your resume. Yes the Basque
people are fascinating.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 10:06 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I'm really pumped to hear you did the Bahama trip, and thanks for the
> advice.
>
> Did you sail to Greece or fly over and rent a boat there? You may have
> mentioned Greece in an earlier post - I seem to recall a trip like this
> being mentioned, but I'll have to search for this. If you sailed over,
> which boat did you take? My son's best friend is from Portugal, and his dad
> passed away a few years ago and his mom has dementia. Tough situation. He's
> promised to bury their ashes in Portugal, and he's invited up to sail over
> there on his boat when he goes.  My family originally came from the Basque
> area, so we'll visit there on the trip.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Are there any cruising trips this summer?
>
> Hey Allyn Chris the other night owl typing from Kansas where my son and I
> share his Rhodes. The one my wife and I spend our summers on is in Greece.
> I?ve sailed my first Rhodes to the Bahamas with my brother exactly 25
> years ago to the day. Very cool trip. My wife and son joined when my
> brother returned to the States. We spent a couple of months sailing all
> over the islands. The Rhodes handled it all. Though we go to the Bahamas
> every winter (covid excepted) I think I would enjoy doing it in the Rhodes
> as much as in our larger boat.  Get to know your boat first, and build your
> sailing skills, then do the ?big? trip. Sailing the bays and inter coastal
> waterways is a fine way to learn sailing. Good luck, you will really enjoy
> your boat.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 11:04 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Last post for the night. We've been wanting to take the Rhodes
> > somewhere this summer, and we were wondering if there were any other
> > events like the Texas 200. I just learned about that, and it's
> > probably too late to sign up, plus I don't think my boat will be ready
> > to sail by then because of the forestay breaking. We live in Oklahoma,
> > so that location would be ideal, plus I'd like to get out in the gulf.
> > Our little lake is a circle with about a 9 mile circumference.
> >
> > We have close to 0 experience sailing in the ocean - I've been out
> > with my son (lives north of Miami, FL) a couple times on his Bayfield
> > 32, but that's been it. Is it too risky to pull the Rhodes to Miami
> > and sail to the Bahamas? What about sailing around the Florida mini-loop?
> >
> > I've been working on a project that I think will be useful for some
> > trips like these.  I recently installed a depth transducer, a radio
> > with AIS receiver, and a VHF antenna on the top of my mast that
> > supports AIS. I have a wireless NMEA 0183 multiplexor that still needs
> > installing (sitting in a closet), and I need to purchase and install a
> > GPS antenna with the NMEA interface. This won't take long to wrap up,
> > but ultimately it will connect to my iPad running Navionics. I think
> > it should work, and this has been a fun project to design. We have a
> > lot of projects going on at the house, so I work on this when I can
> > (meaning early weekend mornings). Is there any other electronics or
> > hardware that I need to consider? The boat is pretty basic - no
> > frills, and I don't have the mast crutch or winch yet, but that will
> happen soon.
> >
> > Good night all. Allyn
> >
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Jun  4 18:14:21 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:14:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
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Well I am a complete idiot many times learning.

Had this happen with my chain saw, snow blower, and home generator, until I
had learned.

Yes, always run the engine in neural when you "get back" whilst unplugging
the fuel delivery hose.   This ensures a choke out from starvation of fuel.
This leaves no residual gas in the cup of the carb, which will usually
cause problems with the needle holes throughout; causing rough running at
start/no running, stalls at bad times, and higher
maintenance/troubleshooting costs.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 4:46 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> Do you mean disconnect the fuel line and suck everything out of the carb?
> Or install a petcock valve? I never thought about this for my boat, but I
> shutoff the petcock valve on my generator and run it until it dies.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lee
> Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 4:24 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
>
> Just so I don't mislead anyone, it may be a good idea to run the gas out
> of your outboard each time you use it.
>
> I bought an outboard today and the dealer told me you'd have to be a
> complete idiot to not drain the gas each time.
>
> I didn't tell him that I'm a complete idiot, but I do plan on following
> his instructions.
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 soon
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Jun  4 18:20:47 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 17:20:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRqfGjQkntx9aKkF3OJZAS9E1ZGQjjgmEA7Zg_mpKFqxvg@mail.gmail.com>
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I have Safeco on the boat. No bundles. Low deductible and million dollar
damage.... I don't wanna crash into a bemeteua in the marina.      High% of
ski area injuries are in the lift line ... Lol
30k valuation including the 8hp 4 stoke motor and trailer.  I made sure I
got the "dumbass clause" to include accidental damage: 124$/year

Stay safe,
Tom

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 5:00 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Lee, I have my boat insured along with my autos and homeowners insurance.
> They cover the motor if it falls off, but not the piece that breaks? Go
> figure.
> Cary
> S/V  Whisper '86
> Radford, VA
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 5:52 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for
> > boats.
> > Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My
> outboard
> > is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
> > could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
> >
> > Do any of you all insure your outboards?
> >
> > Lee
> > 1999 Rhodes22
> > Claytor Lake, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 18:40:14 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 18:40:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
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I have more than a dozen small gasoline engines and I never drain or run
the fuel out, unless its going into long term storage for several years.
Most have plastic fuel tanks though, but I keep the ones with steel tanks
full in the off seasons and I have inline filters in all of them.

I am a big believer in fuel stabilizers like Sta-bil (the red stuff)
because I use low octane pump gas with ethanol. I run the treatment mixture
at twice the recommendation for over 90 day storage.  Every engine starts
each season on the first or second pull. These products do not really
stabilize the fuel but it has something to do with preventing the ethanol
from absorbing water out of the air.
I can envision Roger cringing right now. Maybe he can give us the
engineering explanation of how this stuff works, but I swear by it.
This is by no means advice; just my experiences.

Todd T.

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 6:14 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Well I am a complete idiot many times learning.
>
> Had this happen with my chain saw, snow blower, and home generator, until I
> had learned.
>
> Yes, always run the engine in neural when you "get back" whilst unplugging
> the fuel delivery hose.   This ensures a choke out from starvation of fuel.
> This leaves no residual gas in the cup of the carb, which will usually
> cause problems with the needle holes throughout; causing rough running at
> start/no running, stalls at bad times, and higher
> maintenance/troubleshooting costs.
>
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021, 4:46 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>
> > Do you mean disconnect the fuel line and suck everything out of the carb?
> > Or install a petcock valve? I never thought about this for my boat, but I
> > shutoff the petcock valve on my generator and run it until it dies.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Lee
> > Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 4:24 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor
> stuff.
> >
> > Just so I don't mislead anyone, it may be a good idea to run the gas out
> > of your outboard each time you use it.
> >
> > I bought an outboard today and the dealer told me you'd have to be a
> > complete idiot to not drain the gas each time.
> >
> > I didn't tell him that I'm a complete idiot, but I do plan on following
> > his instructions.
> >
> > Lee
> > 1999 Rhodes22 soon
> > Claytor Lake, VA
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jun  4 21:16:36 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2021 18:16:36 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
Message-ID: <E1lpKvU-00G80K-RC@s152.servername.online>

I'll second Todd's experience.  I never run engines dry, but I always use fuel stabilizer for all small engines.  I rarely have trouble getting an engine to start after an 'off' season.   

Of course, I haven't yet started my outboard for this season, so I probably just jinxed myself.

--Peter

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 21:58:18 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 21:58:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
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Ditto that. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2021, at 5:58 PM, Weiss, Robert L <rweiss at siu.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?I?m insured by Geico through Boat US and don?t see anything that excludes my 8 hp outboard that is included in the valuation.
> 
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> 
> Robert L. Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 4, 2021 4:52:39 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
> 
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
> 
> My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for boats.
> Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My outboard
> is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
> could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
> 
> Do any of you all insure your outboards?
> 
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22
> Claytor Lake, VA
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7C5038c1bf2e4e45781dcf08d927a313d3%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C1%7C637584403648572507%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=JkX1unBrGRnRtjYp9y6dBh7zBjONAJ1wGErrS4RqxVg%3D&amp;reserved=0

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 22:09:38 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 22:09:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
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References: <E1lpKvU-00G80K-RC@s152.servername.online>
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This is interesting.  I?m in the run-it-dry camp, unhooking the fuel line and letting the motor run out while I put away stuff once back in the slip.  But I also put fuel stabilizer in the tank, so I guess I?m in both camps.  I also use ethanol-free gasoline, whether 89 or 93 octane (does that really make a difference for an outboard?  I don?t know.)

Frank

> On Jun 4, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> I'll second Todd's experience.  I never run engines dry, but I always use fuel stabilizer for all small engines.  I rarely have trouble getting an engine to start after an 'off' season.   
> 
> Of course, I haven't yet started my outboard for this season, so I probably just jinxed myself.
> 
> --Peter


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 22:26:46 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 22:26:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
In-Reply-To: <870F004C-911B-4D21-9A96-FFF674A253D4@gmail.com>
References: <870F004C-911B-4D21-9A96-FFF674A253D4@gmail.com>
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Everything I have heard (especially in  BoatUS which is lobbying Congress about the issue) says that you should only use ethanol-free in outboards when that is an option. Ethanol is bad for small engines.  

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2021, at 10:09 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?This is interesting.  I?m in the run-it-dry camp, unhooking the fuel line and letting the motor run out while I put away stuff once back in the slip.  But I also put fuel stabilizer in the tank, so I guess I?m in both camps.  I also use ethanol-free gasoline, whether 89 or 93 octane (does that really make a difference for an outboard?  I don?t know.)
> 
> Frank
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'll second Todd's experience.  I never run engines dry, but I always use fuel stabilizer for all small engines.  I rarely have trouble getting an engine to start after an 'off' season.   
>> 
>> Of course, I haven't yet started my outboard for this season, so I probably just jinxed myself.
>> 
>> --Peter
> 

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 22:44:06 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 22:44:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
In-Reply-To: <78126DA2-0800-436A-ABAB-C687D67D05FA@gmail.com>
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I agree; I just wondered whether the octane rating matters, as long as it?s ethanol-free. 


Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 4, 2021, at 10:26 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Everything I have heard (especially in  BoatUS which is lobbying Congress about the issue) says that you should only use ethanol-free in outboards when that is an option. Ethanol is bad for small engines.  
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2021, at 10:09 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?This is interesting.  I?m in the run-it-dry camp, unhooking the fuel line and letting the motor run out while I put away stuff once back in the slip.  But I also put fuel stabilizer in the tank, so I guess I?m in both camps.  I also use ethanol-free gasoline, whether 89 or 93 octane (does that really make a difference for an outboard?  I don?t know.)
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>>>> On Jun 4, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'll second Todd's experience.  I never run engines dry, but I always use fuel stabilizer for all small engines.  I rarely have trouble getting an engine to start after an 'off' season.   
>>> 
>>> Of course, I haven't yet started my outboard for this season, so I probably just jinxed myself.
>>> 
>>> --Peter
>> 

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  4 23:04:51 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2021 23:04:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
In-Reply-To: <E6A8AB2B-B199-418F-9CFF-EEB1B334F771@gmail.com>
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In my area (Atlanta) the ethanol-free is 90 octane.  I suspect it doesn?t matter much for our size engines. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2021, at 10:44 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I agree; I just wondered whether the octane rating matters, as long as it?s ethanol-free. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2021, at 10:26 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Everything I have heard (especially in  BoatUS which is lobbying Congress about the issue) says that you should only use ethanol-free in outboards when that is an option. Ethanol is bad for small engines.  
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 4, 2021, at 10:09 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?This is interesting.  I?m in the run-it-dry camp, unhooking the fuel line and letting the motor run out while I put away stuff once back in the slip.  But I also put fuel stabilizer in the tank, so I guess I?m in both camps.  I also use ethanol-free gasoline, whether 89 or 93 octane (does that really make a difference for an outboard?  I don?t know.)
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 4, 2021, at 9:16 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I'll second Todd's experience.  I never run engines dry, but I always use fuel stabilizer for all small engines.  I rarely have trouble getting an engine to start after an 'off' season.   
>>>> 
>>>> Of course, I haven't yet started my outboard for this season, so I probably just jinxed myself.
>>>> 
>>>> --Peter
>>> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jun  4 23:04:56 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2021 20:04:56 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
Message-ID: <E1lpMcK-00Gr6U-2t@s152.servername.online>

Every owner's manual I've ever read for a piece of equipment with a gasoline engine says somewhere what octane rating is recommended.  I can't recall one that wanted better than regular.  

--Peter

> On 2021-06-04, at 22:44:06 EDT, Frank Goldsmith wrote:
>
> I agree; I just wondered whether the octane rating matters, as long as it?s 
> ethanol-free. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 01:22:01 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 00:22:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
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Attached is an older arrangement for a 50 watt panel. I currently have a
100 w panel. In the section dealing with prepping the boat for the Med
there are photos of the actual set up. This is only one of many ways
Rhodies have expanded their solar. I use a c pap and we use computers,
phones and navigation I-pads along with lights and music and only once a
month, if that ,do we use shore power.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis
On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 9:57 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> We're still tossing around boat names. I like this.
>
> I've spent time trying to figure out where to put larger solar cells, but
> there isn't much room - maybe on the pop top, but I can't quite figure out
> how to get the wires run. One of the cleats on the boom will scrape across
> the pop top, so that might damage the solar cell. I've thought about
> drilling a hole in my mast, so that I can raise the boom up a few more
> inches, but I've not done that yet. The clear protective covering on the
> surface of the solar cells looks pretty bad - cracked, etc. But I'm still
> getting 13.5-13.6V on a sunny day.
>
> The solar and batteries don't seem to be setup properly - both house
> batteries and both solar cells are wired in parallel. I'd expect one to be
> run back to the starter battery. I've presumed the motor has an alternator
> to charge the battery, but I should check this out. I believe the starter
> battery is about 9 years old, and I only charged it once about 1.5 years
> ago when I bought the boat.
>
> My outbound doesn't have pull start - I wish it did.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:30 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
>
> Hey Allyn,
>                 I?m surprised that your boat has 3 batteries. I have 2
> size 28?s on Enosis and we have lived and cruised on it for 3 months at a
> time.
> An outboard doesn?t really need a dedicated battery as it can always be
> pull started and your electric start will charge it and your house
> batteries. If you use a lot of watt hours perhaps an up grade on the solar
> will take care of your needs and you can get rid of one battery to balance
> the boat. Just say?n. Glad you love your boat, a common affliction amongst
> us Rhodies. Ever thought of renaming your boat ?the House?. That way you
> could spend every day working on ?The House?
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 10:41 PM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My slip is right outside the clubhouse, and I get *lots* of comments
> > such as, "What's wrong with your boat? It doesn't sit straight in the
> water."
> > The boat has two house batteries and the starter battery on the port
> > side, and the motor is portside. The starter batter would be easy to
> > relocate starboard, but the other two won't be that easy. What have
> > you all done, if anything?
> >
> > I love looking at the pictures that have been posted of the boat
> remodels.
> > Some are simply amazing, and I've downloaded many pictures since
> > joining this list. Overall, the layout works well for me with what I
> > have, and my wife says I have to get her house done before I even
> > think about doing anything else.
> >
> > This list has been so incredibly educational and enlightening.
> >
> > Allyn
> >
>
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From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Jun  5 06:44:49 2021
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 10:44:49 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920E883AE85260EC439F68D803A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

The 3 day Tikosyn loading procedure went pretty well.  They took their best guess as to an appropriate dose and I responded well.  When I checked in on Tuesday morning, the initial EKG showed me going in and out of A-Fib.  The data logs from my implanted pacemaker showed I was in A-Fib ~50% of the time!  When they started dosing me with Tikosyn, I reverted back to normal sinus rhythm almost immediately.  They didn?t have to do an electrical cardiac inversion (i.e. shock treatment!) to get my heart back into normal sinus rhythm.  They were also prepared to do another cardiac ablation and upgrade my implanted pacemaker from a 2 lead to a 3 lead unit.  If they had to do that, the cardiac ablation would have been used to kill off all the remaining biological pacemaker cells and completely rely on the upgraded pacemaker.  It may come to that in the future.  But, for the moment we?re going to stick with the 2 lead pacemaker and Tikosyn.  They also did an ultrasonic echo cardiogram to determine how enlarged my heart has gotten after all this A-Fibbing and measure the volume % ejected.  These measurements will be needed for the procedure next week.  I was hooked up to a wireless cardiac monitor for the entire 3 days I was in the hospital.  So, they were monitoring my heart function constantly while I was getting loaded up on Tikosyn.  By the morning of the 2nd day of Tikosyn loading, my wireless cardiac monitor showed I was in normal sinus rhythm and didn?t glitch once from then on!

I actually feel much better.  But, lying about in a hospital is one thing and actually living a normal life is another.  So, for an initial cardiac insult test,  I mowed my front lawn yesterday.  I felt OK afterwards.  I was also climbing up on a ladder measuring the length of my mast for Allyn, again with no apparent ill effects.

I?m scheduled for another COVID-19 test this Sunday.  Then, I have to quarantine until I go into the hospital on June 10th for a cardiac catheterization procedure.  If nothing goes crooked, this will be a 1 day out patient procedure.   But, this is exploratory laparoscopic surgery. They might have to keep me longer depending on what they find &/or if something goes crooked with the procedure itself.  Thanks for all the kind wishes and please keep me in your prayers.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10


From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 07:42:32 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 07:42:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Thanks for that report, Roger, which sounds quite positive (although I am no doctor and, fortunately for me, have no experience in heart disease).  It is amazing what medical science can accomplish.  Rest assured, we?re keeping you in our prayers.  Hopefully the cardiac catheterization procedure will go smoothly and soon you?ll again be climbing ladders and sailing your Rhodes.  

Best,

Frank
S/V Mary Bess
Lake Keowee, SC


> On Jun 5, 2021, at 6:44 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> The 3 day Tikosyn loading procedure went pretty well.  They took their best guess as to an appropriate dose and I responded well.  When I checked in on Tuesday morning, the initial EKG showed me going in and out of A-Fib.  The data logs from my implanted pacemaker showed I was in A-Fib ~50% of the time!  When they started dosing me with Tikosyn, I reverted back to normal sinus rhythm almost immediately.  They didn?t have to do an electrical cardiac inversion (i.e. shock treatment!) to get my heart back into normal sinus rhythm.  They were also prepared to do another cardiac ablation and upgrade my implanted pacemaker from a 2 lead to a 3 lead unit.  If they had to do that, the cardiac ablation would have been used to kill off all the remaining biological pacemaker cells and completely rely on the upgraded pacemaker.  It may come to that in the future.  But, for the moment we?re going to stick with the 2 lead pacemaker and Tikosyn.  They also did an ultrasonic echo cardiogram to determine how enlarged my heart has gotten after all this A-Fibbing and measure the volume % ejected.  These measurements will be needed for the procedure next week.  I was hooked up to a wireless cardiac monitor for the entire 3 days I was in the hospital.  So, they were monitoring my heart function constantly while I was getting loaded up on Tikosyn.  By the morning of the 2nd day of Tikosyn loading, my wireless cardiac monitor showed I was in normal sinus rhythm and didn?t glitch once from then on!
> 
> I actually feel much better.  But, lying about in a hospital is one thing and actually living a normal life is another.  So, for an initial cardiac insult test,  I mowed my front lawn yesterday.  I felt OK afterwards.  I was also climbing up on a ladder measuring the length of my mast for Allyn, again with no apparent ill effects.
> 
> I?m scheduled for another COVID-19 test this Sunday.  Then, I have to quarantine until I go into the hospital on June 10th for a cardiac catheterization procedure.  If nothing goes crooked, this will be a 1 day out patient procedure.   But, this is exploratory laparoscopic surgery. They might have to keep me longer depending on what they find &/or if something goes crooked with the procedure itself.  Thanks for all the kind wishes and please keep me in your prayers.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jun  5 09:39:39 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 09:39:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Roger:

Good to hear that the procedure went well. It is amazing what they are able
to do on an apparently routine, for them, basis. You must be relieved and it
sounds like you are getting back to normal very quickly.

I am going to look up Tikosyn as it sounds like an amazing drug. I assume
that you will be taking it on an ongoing basis. Are you also on
anticoagulants?

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 6:45 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital

Hi All,

The 3 day Tikosyn loading procedure went pretty well.  They took their best
guess as to an appropriate dose and I responded well.  When I checked in on
Tuesday morning, the initial EKG showed me going in and out of A-Fib.  The
data logs from my implanted pacemaker showed I was in A-Fib ~50% of the
time!  When they started dosing me with Tikosyn, I reverted back to normal
sinus rhythm almost immediately.  They didn't have to do an electrical
cardiac inversion (i.e. shock treatment!) to get my heart back into normal
sinus rhythm.  They were also prepared to do another cardiac ablation and
upgrade my implanted pacemaker from a 2 lead to a 3 lead unit.  If they had
to do that, the cardiac ablation would have been used to kill off all the
remaining biological pacemaker cells and completely rely on the upgraded
pacemaker.  It may come to that in the future.  But, for the moment we're
going to stick with the 2 lead pacemaker and Tikosyn.  They also did an
ultrasonic echo cardiogram to determine how enlarged my heart has gotten
after all this A-Fibbing and measure the volume % ejected.  These
measurements will be needed for the procedure next week.  I was hooked up to
a wireless cardiac monitor for the entire 3 days I was in the hospital.  So,
they were monitoring my heart function constantly while I was getting loaded
up on Tikosyn.  By the morning of the 2nd day of Tikosyn loading, my
wireless cardiac monitor showed I was in normal sinus rhythm and didn't
glitch once from then on!

I actually feel much better.  But, lying about in a hospital is one thing
and actually living a normal life is another.  So, for an initial cardiac
insult test,  I mowed my front lawn yesterday.  I felt OK afterwards.  I was
also climbing up on a ladder measuring the length of my mast for Allyn,
again with no apparent ill effects.

I'm scheduled for another COVID-19 test this Sunday.  Then, I have to
quarantine until I go into the hospital on June 10th for a cardiac
catheterization procedure.  If nothing goes crooked, this will be a 1 day
out patient procedure.   But, this is exploratory laparoscopic surgery. They
might have to keep me longer depending on what they find &/or if something
goes crooked with the procedure itself.  Thanks for all the kind wishes and
please keep me in your prayers.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Jun  5 10:30:51 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 14:30:51 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
In-Reply-To: <07f901d75a10$3cef6ee0$b6ce4ca0$@ca>
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Graham,

Yes, I have been on Xarelto blood thinner since 2018.  While I understand why I need to take an anticoagulant, the downside is that you bruise easily and bleed like a hemophiliac from every minor cut.

I expect to on Tikosyn for the foreseeable future.

I am cautiously optimistic today.  Life is good!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger:
> 
> Good to hear that the procedure went well. It is amazing what they are able
> to do on an apparently routine, for them, basis. You must be relieved and it
> sounds like you are getting back to normal very quickly.
> 
> I am going to look up Tikosyn as it sounds like an amazing drug. I assume
> that you will be taking it on an ongoing basis. Are you also on
> anticoagulants?
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 6:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> The 3 day Tikosyn loading procedure went pretty well.  They took their best
> guess as to an appropriate dose and I responded well.  When I checked in on
> Tuesday morning, the initial EKG showed me going in and out of A-Fib.  The
> data logs from my implanted pacemaker showed I was in A-Fib ~50% of the
> time!  When they started dosing me with Tikosyn, I reverted back to normal
> sinus rhythm almost immediately.  They didn't have to do an electrical
> cardiac inversion (i.e. shock treatment!) to get my heart back into normal
> sinus rhythm.  They were also prepared to do another cardiac ablation and
> upgrade my implanted pacemaker from a 2 lead to a 3 lead unit.  If they had
> to do that, the cardiac ablation would have been used to kill off all the
> remaining biological pacemaker cells and completely rely on the upgraded
> pacemaker.  It may come to that in the future.  But, for the moment we're
> going to stick with the 2 lead pacemaker and Tikosyn.  They also did an
> ultrasonic echo cardiogram to determine how enlarged my heart has gotten
> after all this A-Fibbing and measure the volume % ejected.  These
> measurements will be needed for the procedure next week.  I was hooked up to
> a wireless cardiac monitor for the entire 3 days I was in the hospital.  So,
> they were monitoring my heart function constantly while I was getting loaded
> up on Tikosyn.  By the morning of the 2nd day of Tikosyn loading, my
> wireless cardiac monitor showed I was in normal sinus rhythm and didn't
> glitch once from then on!
> 
> I actually feel much better.  But, lying about in a hospital is one thing
> and actually living a normal life is another.  So, for an initial cardiac
> insult test,  I mowed my front lawn yesterday.  I felt OK afterwards.  I was
> also climbing up on a ladder measuring the length of my mast for Allyn,
> again with no apparent ill effects.
> 
> I'm scheduled for another COVID-19 test this Sunday.  Then, I have to
> quarantine until I go into the hospital on June 10th for a cardiac
> catheterization procedure.  If nothing goes crooked, this will be a 1 day
> out patient procedure.   But, this is exploratory laparoscopic surgery. They
> might have to keep me longer depending on what they find &/or if something
> goes crooked with the procedure itself.  Thanks for all the kind wishes and
> please keep me in your prayers.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 10
> 

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 10:33:38 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 10:33:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Roger
Wow. You?ve definitely gone through a serious journey.  My son-in-law has
cardiac sarcoidosis so I'm familiar with many of the procedures you
described. But each of us has a unique body and we react differently to
various regimens and medications. I think you have one of the most
important tools for your ?project? ? a positive attitude
Stay strong.  I wish you every success.

Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000
Kent Island, MD

On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 6:44 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The 3 day Tikosyn loading procedure went pretty well.  They took their
> best guess as to an appropriate dose and I responded well.  When I checked
> in on Tuesday morning, the initial EKG showed me going in and out of
> A-Fib.  The data logs from my implanted pacemaker showed I was in A-Fib
> ~50% of the time!  When they started dosing me with Tikosyn, I reverted
> back to normal sinus rhythm almost immediately.  They didn?t have to do an
> electrical cardiac inversion (i.e. shock treatment!) to get my heart back
> into normal sinus rhythm.  They were also prepared to do another cardiac
> ablation and upgrade my implanted pacemaker from a 2 lead to a 3 lead
> unit.  If they had to do that, the cardiac ablation would have been used to
> kill off all the remaining biological pacemaker cells and completely rely
> on the upgraded pacemaker.  It may come to that in the future.  But, for
> the moment we?re going to stick with the 2 lead pacemaker and Tikosyn.
> They also did an ultrasonic echo cardiogram to determine how enlarged my
> heart has gotten after all this A-Fibbing and measure the volume %
> ejected.  These measurements will be needed for the procedure next week.  I
> was hooked up to a wireless cardiac monitor for the entire 3 days I was in
> the hospital.  So, they were monitoring my heart function constantly while
> I was getting loaded up on Tikosyn.  By the morning of the 2nd day of
> Tikosyn loading, my wireless cardiac monitor showed I was in normal sinus
> rhythm and didn?t glitch once from then on!
>
> I actually feel much better.  But, lying about in a hospital is one thing
> and actually living a normal life is another.  So, for an initial cardiac
> insult test,  I mowed my front lawn yesterday.  I felt OK afterwards.  I
> was also climbing up on a ladder measuring the length of my mast for Allyn,
> again with no apparent ill effects.
>
> I?m scheduled for another COVID-19 test this Sunday.  Then, I have to
> quarantine until I go into the hospital on June 10th for a cardiac
> catheterization procedure.  If nothing goes crooked, this will be a 1 day
> out patient procedure.   But, this is exploratory laparoscopic surgery.
> They might have to keep me longer depending on what they find &/or if
> something goes crooked with the procedure itself.  Thanks for all the kind
> wishes and please keep me in your prayers.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>

From dwbrad at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 11:12:00 2021
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:12:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Roger, very glad to hear things are progressing well. I wish you all the best for a speedy and continued recovery. I gotta say, I really love reading your posts and seeing your engineering brain at work.

Dave Bradley
S/V Sea Cloud
Old Greenwich, CT


> On Jun 5, 2021, at 10:30 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Graham,
> 
> Yes, I have been on Xarelto blood thinner since 2018.  While I understand why I need to take an anticoagulant, the downside is that you bruise easily and bleed like a hemophiliac from every minor cut.
> 
> I expect to on Tikosyn for the foreseeable future.
> 
> I am cautiously optimistic today.  Life is good!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Roger:
>> 
>> Good to hear that the procedure went well. It is amazing what they are able
>> to do on an apparently routine, for them, basis. You must be relieved and it
>> sounds like you are getting back to normal very quickly.
>> 
>> I am going to look up Tikosyn as it sounds like an amazing drug. I assume
>> that you will be taking it on an ongoing basis. Are you also on
>> anticoagulants?
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 6:45 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> The 3 day Tikosyn loading procedure went pretty well.  They took their best
>> guess as to an appropriate dose and I responded well.  When I checked in on
>> Tuesday morning, the initial EKG showed me going in and out of A-Fib.  The
>> data logs from my implanted pacemaker showed I was in A-Fib ~50% of the
>> time!  When they started dosing me with Tikosyn, I reverted back to normal
>> sinus rhythm almost immediately.  They didn't have to do an electrical
>> cardiac inversion (i.e. shock treatment!) to get my heart back into normal
>> sinus rhythm.  They were also prepared to do another cardiac ablation and
>> upgrade my implanted pacemaker from a 2 lead to a 3 lead unit.  If they had
>> to do that, the cardiac ablation would have been used to kill off all the
>> remaining biological pacemaker cells and completely rely on the upgraded
>> pacemaker.  It may come to that in the future.  But, for the moment we're
>> going to stick with the 2 lead pacemaker and Tikosyn.  They also did an
>> ultrasonic echo cardiogram to determine how enlarged my heart has gotten
>> after all this A-Fibbing and measure the volume % ejected.  These
>> measurements will be needed for the procedure next week.  I was hooked up to
>> a wireless cardiac monitor for the entire 3 days I was in the hospital.  So,
>> they were monitoring my heart function constantly while I was getting loaded
>> up on Tikosyn.  By the morning of the 2nd day of Tikosyn loading, my
>> wireless cardiac monitor showed I was in normal sinus rhythm and didn't
>> glitch once from then on!
>> 
>> I actually feel much better.  But, lying about in a hospital is one thing
>> and actually living a normal life is another.  So, for an initial cardiac
>> insult test,  I mowed my front lawn yesterday.  I felt OK afterwards.  I was
>> also climbing up on a ladder measuring the length of my mast for Allyn,
>> again with no apparent ill effects.
>> 
>> I'm scheduled for another COVID-19 test this Sunday.  Then, I have to
>> quarantine until I go into the hospital on June 10th for a cardiac
>> catheterization procedure.  If nothing goes crooked, this will be a 1 day
>> out patient procedure.   But, this is exploratory laparoscopic surgery. They
>> might have to keep me longer depending on what they find &/or if something
>> goes crooked with the procedure itself.  Thanks for all the kind wishes and
>> please keep me in your prayers.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>> 10
>> 


From dwbrad at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 11:23:41 2021
From: dwbrad at gmail.com (David Bradley)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 11:23:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped -	What's	at	the
 top?
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I would think the topping lift line would work to check the meat. It may be possible that the pop top was broken by someone walking on it. I have a stress fracture in my slider top from that.

Dave B

> On Jun 4, 2021, at 10:41 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Allyn,
> 
> OK, the best way to check if the mast is bent is to stretch a line taut along the length of the mast.  Any bend will be visible as a gap between the line and the mast.  A conventional mainsail rig can use the main halyard as this line.  On an IMF mainsail rig, you will have to tie a line to the masthead casting somehow.  If you find any bend, you will have to ask Stan how much bend is acceptable and if the bend can be safely removed.  My guess is, if the bend is beyond acceptable limits; then, you probably won?t be able to fix it.  The reason the mast probably won?t be repairable has to do with how the mast is made.  Our masts are made by extrusion from 7071 T6 aluminum alloy.  After extrusion, this alloy has to be heat treated to make it stiff.  But, the heat treatment process also causes the alloy to be susceptible to cold work hardening and embrittlement.  If the final mast extrusion has been bent by an impact loading, the impact site will be cold work hardened.  Bending it back will probably crack it.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: Allyn Baskerville<mailto:allynb at adsne.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 11:28 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
> 
> I just thought of a couple more things. I'm pretty sure the mast was dropped at one point, because the pop top was broken when I bought it. I've fiberglassed that back together. I've noticed a couple times that the mast may not look straight - it's pretty close, and I convince myself it's an optical illusion. It seems to hook back an inch or so part way up the mast. We had a cherry picker at the boat club last weekend, so I went up there to look at the top of the mast where the toggle fork failed. Looking down the mast, I believe I could see it hook backwards slightly, and that may be why my mainsail has never furled well. I have to pull down on the clew pretty hard to get the mail to furl. I do not see any damage, e.g. dents or otherwise, to the mast, and it doesn't appear torqued. I have no idea what the previous owner did as far as changing out any standing rigging, but maybe something broke a while ago and didn?t get the lengths quite right.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allyn Baskerville
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 10:02 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
> 
> Thanks for the info. I've not been on another Rhodes, but I've spent considerable time on a Capri 22. Based on that, I'd say my boat has excessive weather helm, and I really appreciate the info you provided.
> 
> I've not made any adjustments to the forestay assembly, and the only thing I'm guessing on is adding 3/4" for the piece of the toggle joint that broke off to the point where the pin goes through. I measured this 6 times, and 3 times I came up with about the same measurement: 28' 1-3/4" +/- 1/8" center to center. Just to clarify, the distance from the center of the pin that goes through the chain plate to where the toggle fork broke is 28' 1", then I added 3/4" for where the piece broke off to where I think the pin would be. The forestay wire is 27' 6-1/4" (taken to the outer edge of the swage crimp). I really think I'd run out of adjustment on the backstays if the forestay was about 3.5" shorter. I'll go back out to my boat, but I'd be surprised if there was more than 1.5-2" of adjustment available on the backstays.
> 
> You also mentioned chloride stress cracking fatigue failure. The boat was a one owner and came from Wisconsin and had a Wisconsin title, and I don't know if it was ever sailed in salt water. The hull was coated in mineral deposits, which I continue to work on. But then our lake water isn't much better.
> 
> I worked on this email far to long, but I'm hoping it's relatively clear to understand.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Thursday, June 3, 2021 8:46 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
> 
> Hi Allyn,
> 
> The pin-to-pin forestay measurement is 27 ft, 9-5/8 inches.  Again, this is the distance from the center of the pin holding the headstay to the masthead toggle to the center of the pin holding the furler assembly to the bow chainplate.  This measurement sets the overall tilt of the mast and it affects the weather helm/lee helm balance of the boat.  Making the forestay longer tilts the mast aft, moves the center of effort (CE) of the sail plan aft, and increases weather helm.  Conversely, making the forestay shorter tilts the mast forward, moves the CE forward, and increases lee helm.  If you think your R-22 has too much weather or lee helm, now is a good time to fix it.  Realistically, you can only change a few inches +/- from the above measurement without running into other issues with your standing rigging, like running out of adjustment on the backstays and lower sidestays.  But, it will have a noticeable effect on your weather helm/lee helm balance.
> 
> It?s almost impossible to have neutral helm throughout the wind range.  For example, S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is setup to have neutral helm in light air, slight lee helm once the angle of heel gets > 10 deg, transitioning to neutral helm, and then slight weather helm as the angle of heel increases.  Neutral helm in light air is OK because you?re going so slow you don?t have any steering feel anyway.  Going from slight lee helm to neutral helm back to slight weather helm as the wind speed increases means you are having to use much less rudder correction, which adds drag, and the boat has less tendency to round up in a moderate puff of wind.  But, by the time you are putting the leeward rail in the water, you want weather helm and a tendency to round up in a gust because it?s safer than lee helm or neutral helm.  As you might imagine, it took a lot of hours on the water to fine tune this setup.  But, I?ve owned my R-22 since 1987 and I lived on a lake.  This is how you set the mast up for racing.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 5:57 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
> 
> Allyn,
> 
> The measurement you need is from the center of the pin at the masthead to the center of the pin at the bow chain plate.  I?m due to be released from the hospital tomorrow evening.  I am certain I have that measurement written down in my Harken Roller Furling manual because I had to specify it when I ordered the new forestay from Harken.  I upgraded from the CDI furler to a Harken Unit 0 furler many years ago.  The Harken furler has upper and lower swivels in order to take full advantage of a foam luff pad on the genoa.  When I get home, I?ll look up the measurement and forward it to you.
> 
> Over the years, I?ve replaced nearly all the standing rigging on my boat.  I like the West Marine rigging service.  Look in the back of their catalog.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 2, 2021, at 5:40 PM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Does anyone have forestay length measurements? I'm going to remeasure tonight, but I've already measured twice. I'm surprised at how much longer my measurements were.
>> 
>> 27' 8-1/4" wire only, 27' 11-1/2 with fittings on the end.
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 10:25 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?
>> 
>> I've had great service from a company called Dwyer Mast (
>> https://www.dwyermast.com/) and I know they used to do quite a lot of
>> work for Stan at GB. If you give them the right dimensions they'll ake
>> up a new f'stay for you
>> 
>> 
>> ~~~ _/) ~~~
>> 
>> Richard Beytagh
>> Phone: 828 337 0180
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 9:28 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I should mention that my boat is 2001. I'm not sure what changes were
>>> made over the years.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> Allyn Baskerville
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 2, 2021 8:25 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>>> at the top?
>>> 
>>> Sorry folks, but I didn't mean halyard - it was the forestay. I just
>>> watched the YouTube video on Silverheels, and the forestay toggle
>>> joint broke at the top fitting exactly like this - the genoa also
>>> dropped in the water exactly as described in the video.
>>> 
>>> I measured the forestay, and the wire only is 27' 8-1/4" and with the
>>> fittings (from the top of where the toggle joint should be to the
>>> bottom of the top threaded part that goes into the turnbuckle) is 27'
>>> 11-1/2". I looked online and found one place that said it was 27' and
>>> another 25'6". I measured both of the dimensions twice. Does anyone
>>> have the dimensions of what this should be?
>>> 
>>> Someone I know recommended sta-lok, but the smallest I can find the
>>> toggle joint is for 5/32" wire and not 1/8". Is there another option,
>>> or should I look at the 5/32" option? I don't have a swaging tool.
>>> 
>>> Thanks, all.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> ROGER PIHLAJA
>>> Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 3:50 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's
>>> at the top?
>>> 
>>> Peter,
>>> 
>>> S/V Silver Heels experienced scenario #1 from my previous post.  If
>>> Allyn?s boat experienced the same issue; then, we may have a problem area.
>>> We might want to warn the whole Rhodes list to inspect the toggle
>>> joints on the top of their forestays.  From your U-Tube video, your
>>> failure looked like a chloride stress cracking fatigue failure.  Such
>>> failures are common with 300 series stainless steel alloys in a salt
>>> water environment.  They can be early detected by dye penetrant, magnaflux, or ultrasonic testing.
>>> Dye penetrant would be the easiest for the average boat owner.  All
>>> boats that sail on salt water would be subject to this issue.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On May 28, 2021, at 4:10 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Allyn,
>>>> 
>>>> I had a similar adventure, and made a video about the problem and
>>>> the
>>> fix.  There's a pretty good shot of the top of the mast in there too.
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s
>>>> 
>>>> Best of luck,
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>> 
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jun  5 12:04:15 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2021 09:04:15 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the
	top?
Message-ID: <E1lpYmV-007Pzi-0m@s152.servername.online>

And I have a crack in mine from the time I forgot to disconnect the pop top before dropping the mast.

--Peter

> On 2021-06-05, at 11:23:41 EDT, David Bradley wrote:
>
> I would think the topping lift line would work to check the meat. It may be 
> possible that the pop top was broken by someone walking on it. I have a stress 
> fracture in my slider top from that. 
> 
> Dave B
> 
> 


From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 16:27:27 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 16:27:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
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Thanks for the tip. I?m clueless when it comes to outboards. I asked Stan
to recommend which outboard I should get for the Chesapeake Bay. Stan?s
asked , ?uh, you do know you?re buying a sailboat? Right? Why do you need
an outboard??
Classic Stan ?.

On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:23 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Just so I don't mislead anyone, it may be a good idea to run the gas out of
> your outboard each time you use it.
>
> I bought an outboard today and the dealer told me you'd have to be a
> complete idiot to not drain the gas each time.
>
> I didn't tell him that I'm a complete idiot, but I do plan on following his
> instructions.
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 soon
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 16:31:13 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 16:31:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
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I switched from USAA/Progressive to BoatUS/Geico. Way cheaper. Easy to deal
with towboaUS.
My insurance covers my outboard Honda 8 hp
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000
Kent island MD


On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for
> boats.
> Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My outboard
> is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
> could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
>
> Do any of you all insure your outboards?
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Jun  5 17:11:20 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 21:11:20 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
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Bob,

We bundled our R-22, Honda outboard, and Lil Dude trailer into our home owner?s insurance policy.  We have Auto Owners.  Not being able to insure your outboard is utter nonsense!  Find a different insurance company.

We got a separate appraisal for the R-22?s hull and rigging.  Then, we have a separate schedule of equipment.  I keep this on a spreadsheet and we provided our insurance company with copies of receipts to prove value.  We update the spreadsheet every year when the premium comes due.  This schedule includes everything from anchors to sails to VHF radios.  There is actually more equipment cost than the hull is worth! 

Although it?s a lot of work up front, the advantage of doing it this way is that I have an agreed upon value for the whole boat.  My insurance company and I won?t get into a dispute in the event of a total loss.  Also, make sure you get a full replacement value policy, not depreciated value.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I switched from USAA/Progressive to BoatUS/Geico. Way cheaper. Easy to deal
> with towboaUS.
> My insurance covers my outboard Honda 8 hp
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> Kent island MD
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for
>> boats.
>> Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My outboard
>> is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
>> could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
>> 
>> Do any of you all insure your outboards?
>> 
>> Lee
>> 1999 Rhodes22
>> Claytor Lake, VA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 19:18:49 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 19:18:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
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Thanks Roger
Good idea about the replacement value
However the itemized accounting for insurance purposes caused the abacus on
my T-Account Yellow Pad to overheat.
So I?ll just go back to repairing the cable for my non-CDI furler. I hope
to make some progress on that tomorrow.
We?ll see
Bob

On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 5:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> We bundled our R-22, Honda outboard, and Lil Dude trailer into our home
> owner?s insurance policy.  We have Auto Owners.  Not being able to insure
> your outboard is utter nonsense!  Find a different insurance company.
>
> We got a separate appraisal for the R-22?s hull and rigging.  Then, we
> have a separate schedule of equipment.  I keep this on a spreadsheet and we
> provided our insurance company with copies of receipts to prove value.  We
> update the spreadsheet every year when the premium comes due.  This
> schedule includes everything from anchors to sails to VHF radios.  There is
> actually more equipment cost than the hull is worth!
>
> Although it?s a lot of work up front, the advantage of doing it this way
> is that I have an agreed upon value for the whole boat.  My insurance
> company and I won?t get into a dispute in the event of a total loss.  Also,
> make sure you get a full replacement value policy, not depreciated value.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 5, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I switched from USAA/Progressive to BoatUS/Geico. Way cheaper. Easy to
> deal
> > with towboaUS.
> > My insurance covers my outboard Honda 8 hp
> > Bob Garrant
> > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> > Kent island MD
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for
> >> boats.
> >> Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My
> outboard
> >> is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
> >> could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
> >>
> >> Do any of you all insure your outboards?
> >>
> >> Lee
> >> 1999 Rhodes22
> >> Claytor Lake, VA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >>
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sat Jun  5 19:48:40 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 18:48:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
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Id make sure to set a full loss value and paid what they wanted.   Non
itemized.  I don't think the savings would be worth the hassle?
Am i missing something?

On Sat, Jun 5, 2021, 6:19 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Roger
> Good idea about the replacement value
> However the itemized accounting for insurance purposes caused the abacus on
> my T-Account Yellow Pad to overheat.
> So I?ll just go back to repairing the cable for my non-CDI furler. I hope
> to make some progress on that tomorrow.
> We?ll see
> Bob
>
> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 5:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Bob,
> >
> > We bundled our R-22, Honda outboard, and Lil Dude trailer into our home
> > owner?s insurance policy.  We have Auto Owners.  Not being able to insure
> > your outboard is utter nonsense!  Find a different insurance company.
> >
> > We got a separate appraisal for the R-22?s hull and rigging.  Then, we
> > have a separate schedule of equipment.  I keep this on a spreadsheet and
> we
> > provided our insurance company with copies of receipts to prove value.
> We
> > update the spreadsheet every year when the premium comes due.  This
> > schedule includes everything from anchors to sails to VHF radios.  There
> is
> > actually more equipment cost than the hull is worth!
> >
> > Although it?s a lot of work up front, the advantage of doing it this way
> > is that I have an agreed upon value for the whole boat.  My insurance
> > company and I won?t get into a dispute in the event of a total loss.
> Also,
> > make sure you get a full replacement value policy, not depreciated value.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 5, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?I switched from USAA/Progressive to BoatUS/Geico. Way cheaper. Easy to
> > deal
> > > with towboaUS.
> > > My insurance covers my outboard Honda 8 hp
> > > Bob Garrant
> > > s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> > > Kent island MD
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for
> > >> boats.
> > >> Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My
> > outboard
> > >> is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small
> someone
> > >> could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
> > >>
> > >> Do any of you all insure your outboards?
> > >>
> > >> Lee
> > >> 1999 Rhodes22
> > >> Claytor Lake, VA
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >>
> >
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Jun  5 20:20:23 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 00:20:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
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Tom,

Two points:

1. Until you document the equipment that you have on board, how do you set a full loss value?  You would probably be surprised at how much gear you have on board and what the replacement cost would be.  I know I was.

2. Having the itemized list greatly simplifies your claim if something is stolen off your boat.  Your insurance company already has make, model number, serial number, cost, etc.  They agree up front to insure it, so there is no issue when it comes time to make a claim.  Otherwise, you have to prove you actually owned the stolen gear, what it cost, etc.  I have found insurance companies are much easier to deal with when there is an honest disclosure up front of what their potential liability could be.  When there is clear disclosure up front, the insurance company can give you a better price because their risk is known to a much greater degree of accuracy.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2021, at 7:48 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Id make sure to set a full loss value and paid what they wanted.   Non
> itemized.  I don't think the savings would be worth the hassle?
> Am i missing something?
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021, 6:19 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Roger
>> Good idea about the replacement value
>> However the itemized accounting for insurance purposes caused the abacus on
>> my T-Account Yellow Pad to overheat.
>> So I?ll just go back to repairing the cable for my non-CDI furler. I hope
>> to make some progress on that tomorrow.
>> We?ll see
>> Bob
>> 
>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 5:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Bob,
>>> 
>>> We bundled our R-22, Honda outboard, and Lil Dude trailer into our home
>>> owner?s insurance policy.  We have Auto Owners.  Not being able to insure
>>> your outboard is utter nonsense!  Find a different insurance company.
>>> 
>>> We got a separate appraisal for the R-22?s hull and rigging.  Then, we
>>> have a separate schedule of equipment.  I keep this on a spreadsheet and
>> we
>>> provided our insurance company with copies of receipts to prove value.
>> We
>>> update the spreadsheet every year when the premium comes due.  This
>>> schedule includes everything from anchors to sails to VHF radios.  There
>> is
>>> actually more equipment cost than the hull is worth!
>>> 
>>> Although it?s a lot of work up front, the advantage of doing it this way
>>> is that I have an agreed upon value for the whole boat.  My insurance
>>> company and I won?t get into a dispute in the event of a total loss.
>> Also,
>>> make sure you get a full replacement value policy, not depreciated value.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?I switched from USAA/Progressive to BoatUS/Geico. Way cheaper. Easy to
>>> deal
>>>> with towboaUS.
>>>> My insurance covers my outboard Honda 8 hp
>>>> Bob Garrant
>>>> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
>>>> Kent island MD
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for
>>>>> boats.
>>>>> Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My
>>> outboard
>>>>> is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small
>> someone
>>>>> could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Do any of you all insure your outboards?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lee
>>>>> 1999 Rhodes22
>>>>> Claytor Lake, VA
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Jun  5 20:52:05 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 20:52:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Roger:

This isn't related to the Rhodes topic but I hope readers will indulge me.

I was put on Xeralto back in 2013 after my extensive bypass operation. I developed fairly extreme A-fib at the time. The cardiologist told me that I might not need to continue after a few months. Apparently a-fib  that occurs after heart surgery can be temporary. I asked my family doctor about it in the following months but he told me that the only way to know whether I needed this and other heart medication was to stop using them and see what happens. After such surgery I was not inclined to experiment.

However, I am also diabetic (type II) and have been for 50 years. One of the side effects of diabetes can be bleeding in the eye which can lead to blindness. In recent years I began to experience these problems and about 18 months ago I had a serious bleed in my right eye that resulted in total blindness in that eye - until after 6 months I had eye surgery that drained the eye of the blood, lasered all the bits together,  and after about a month my sight was restored almost to the point before the event. Truly an amazing experience.

I was taking the anticoagulants to address the risk of stroke brought on by  A-fib but I couldn't ignore the fact the bleeding was also a risk for my eyesight so I asked for a re-evaluation of my A-fib given that I had not been aware of any problems over the years since my initial diagnoses. They put me on a monitor for two weeks and also did an array of tests and found no indication of A-fib. In spite of this finding the cardiologist strongly suggested that I stay on the anticoagulants. I resisted so he agreed to reduce the dose to a fairly low level. 

I have found that it is much easier to get put on medications than to be taken off. I went on a strict ketogenic diet 2 1/2 years ago and since then I have been able to stop all of my medications for diabetes, hypertension and cholesterol while maintaining normal levels of the related markers - except for LDL but that is another story. 

All this to stay I hope that the use of Tikosyn might reduce your need for Xeralto. 

These issues become complicated to say the least and I wish you the best as you sort all this out.

All the best,

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 10:31 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital

Graham,

Yes, I have been on Xarelto blood thinner since 2018.  While I understand why I need to take an anticoagulant, the downside is that you bruise easily and bleed like a hemophiliac from every minor cut.

I expect to on Tikosyn for the foreseeable future.

I am cautiously optimistic today.  Life is good!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger:
> 
> Good to hear that the procedure went well. It is amazing what they are able
> to do on an apparently routine, for them, basis. You must be relieved and it
> sounds like you are getting back to normal very quickly.
> 
> I am going to look up Tikosyn as it sounds like an amazing drug. I assume
> that you will be taking it on an ongoing basis. Are you also on
> anticoagulants?
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 6:45 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> The 3 day Tikosyn loading procedure went pretty well.  They took their best
> guess as to an appropriate dose and I responded well.  When I checked in on
> Tuesday morning, the initial EKG showed me going in and out of A-Fib.  The
> data logs from my implanted pacemaker showed I was in A-Fib ~50% of the
> time!  When they started dosing me with Tikosyn, I reverted back to normal
> sinus rhythm almost immediately.  They didn't have to do an electrical
> cardiac inversion (i.e. shock treatment!) to get my heart back into normal
> sinus rhythm.  They were also prepared to do another cardiac ablation and
> upgrade my implanted pacemaker from a 2 lead to a 3 lead unit.  If they had
> to do that, the cardiac ablation would have been used to kill off all the
> remaining biological pacemaker cells and completely rely on the upgraded
> pacemaker.  It may come to that in the future.  But, for the moment we're
> going to stick with the 2 lead pacemaker and Tikosyn.  They also did an
> ultrasonic echo cardiogram to determine how enlarged my heart has gotten
> after all this A-Fibbing and measure the volume % ejected.  These
> measurements will be needed for the procedure next week.  I was hooked up to
> a wireless cardiac monitor for the entire 3 days I was in the hospital.  So,
> they were monitoring my heart function constantly while I was getting loaded
> up on Tikosyn.  By the morning of the 2nd day of Tikosyn loading, my
> wireless cardiac monitor showed I was in normal sinus rhythm and didn't
> glitch once from then on!
> 
> I actually feel much better.  But, lying about in a hospital is one thing
> and actually living a normal life is another.  So, for an initial cardiac
> insult test,  I mowed my front lawn yesterday.  I felt OK afterwards.  I was
> also climbing up on a ladder measuring the length of my mast for Allyn,
> again with no apparent ill effects.
> 
> I'm scheduled for another COVID-19 test this Sunday.  Then, I have to
> quarantine until I go into the hospital on June 10th for a cardiac
> catheterization procedure.  If nothing goes crooked, this will be a 1 day
> out patient procedure.   But, this is exploratory laparoscopic surgery. They
> might have to keep me longer depending on what they find &/or if something
> goes crooked with the procedure itself.  Thanks for all the kind wishes and
> please keep me in your prayers.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 10
> 


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat Jun  5 22:10:57 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 19:10:57 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Foe & Aft Cockpit Floor Hiking Brace?
Message-ID: <1622945457705-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

The wide cockpit of the R22 has a lack of foot support when on a heel. I know
that some racing dindhys run an approx. 1.5 x 1.5" strip on the Cockpit
floor for a foot brace. My wife (who is on the short side) suggested
something similar for Radiant.  Has anyone installed said brace or sailed on
a boat with one?
Is there space between the Cockpit floor and the hull?
Are there some kind of anchors that can be applied through a hole that would
then expand to act as a nut? Similar to those which anchor bolts through dry
wall?
Could HDPE be successfully epoxied using screws to help set?
I realize it may be a trip hazard, so would install a black piece if I could
find. I would rather not use teak, but would as a last resort. 
All input appreciated. 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 01:55:26 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 22:55:26 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Foe & Aft Cockpit Floor Hiking Brace?
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Hi Jeff, is it too far for your wife to use the edge of the opposing bench
to place your feet to brace while heeling?  That's what we do and it's part
of the standard instructions that I give anyone new to the boat when they
come for a sail.  If it's me and a friend out for a lively sail then we'll
sit on the coaming to hike out and we'll put our heels in the drainage
channel of the windward bench while also holding on to the stern railing
(me) and the crew holding onto the bar on the bulkhead at the front of the
cockpit.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Sat, Jun 5, 2021, 7:11 PM JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> The wide cockpit of the R22 has a lack of foot support when on a heel. I
> know
> that some racing dindhys run an approx. 1.5 x 1.5" strip on the Cockpit
> floor for a foot brace. My wife (who is on the short side) suggested
> something similar for Radiant.  Has anyone installed said brace or sailed
> on
> a boat with one?
> Is there space between the Cockpit floor and the hull?
> Are there some kind of anchors that can be applied through a hole that
> would
> then expand to act as a nut? Similar to those which anchor bolts through
> dry
> wall?
> Could HDPE be successfully epoxied using screws to help set?
> I realize it may be a trip hazard, so would install a black piece if I
> could
> find. I would rather not use teak, but would as a last resort.
> All input appreciated.
>
>
>
> -----
> Jeff Smith
> 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT
> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 02:13:46 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2021 23:13:46 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Roger, thanks for the update and we'll still be keeping you in our thoughts
as you work through this.  I get the impression that your pace is only
temporarily now dipping to that of a typical person until you rebound back
into adventure mode.

Graham, glad to hear that you have found some good solutions to help with
your health issues.

Quick adventure update from San Francisco:  Today we went out the bay,
under the Golden Gate Bridge and into the ocean for the first time.  As we
came back, we were passed by a bunch of racers coming back with their
spinnakers up.  We were first on scene at overturned trimaran with 3 crew
that we saw climb on top of their upside down boat.  We dropped sails and
turned in the motor.  There were gusts up to 40 knots true wind as it
funneled through the entrance to the bay.  The coast guard showed up a
minute later and threw a line to get them over to the coast guard boat one
at a time.  Then the overturned trimaran was towed.  Just glad that it
appeared that  everyone was OK.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Sat, Jun 5, 2021, 5:52 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Roger:
>
> This isn't related to the Rhodes topic but I hope readers will indulge me.
>
> I was put on Xeralto back in 2013 after my extensive bypass operation. I
> developed fairly extreme A-fib at the time. The cardiologist told me that I
> might not need to continue after a few months. Apparently a-fib  that
> occurs after heart surgery can be temporary. I asked my family doctor about
> it in the following months but he told me that the only way to know whether
> I needed this and other heart medication was to stop using them and see
> what happens. After such surgery I was not inclined to experiment.
>
> However, I am also diabetic (type II) and have been for 50 years. One of
> the side effects of diabetes can be bleeding in the eye which can lead to
> blindness. In recent years I began to experience these problems and about
> 18 months ago I had a serious bleed in my right eye that resulted in total
> blindness in that eye - until after 6 months I had eye surgery that drained
> the eye of the blood, lasered all the bits together,  and after about a
> month my sight was restored almost to the point before the event. Truly an
> amazing experience.
>
> I was taking the anticoagulants to address the risk of stroke brought on
> by  A-fib but I couldn't ignore the fact the bleeding was also a risk for
> my eyesight so I asked for a re-evaluation of my A-fib given that I had not
> been aware of any problems over the years since my initial diagnoses. They
> put me on a monitor for two weeks and also did an array of tests and found
> no indication of A-fib. In spite of this finding the cardiologist strongly
> suggested that I stay on the anticoagulants. I resisted so he agreed to
> reduce the dose to a fairly low level.
>
> I have found that it is much easier to get put on medications than to be
> taken off. I went on a strict ketogenic diet 2 1/2 years ago and since then
> I have been able to stop all of my medications for diabetes, hypertension
> and cholesterol while maintaining normal levels of the related markers -
> except for LDL but that is another story.
>
> All this to stay I hope that the use of Tikosyn might reduce your need for
> Xeralto.
>
> These issues become complicated to say the least and I wish you the best
> as you sort all this out.
>
> All the best,
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 10:31 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
>
> Graham,
>
> Yes, I have been on Xarelto blood thinner since 2018.  While I understand
> why I need to take an anticoagulant, the downside is that you bruise easily
> and bleed like a hemophiliac from every minor cut.
>
> I expect to on Tikosyn for the foreseeable future.
>
> I am cautiously optimistic today.  Life is good!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 5, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> >
> > ?Roger:
> >
> > Good to hear that the procedure went well. It is amazing what they are
> able
> > to do on an apparently routine, for them, basis. You must be relieved
> and it
> > sounds like you are getting back to normal very quickly.
> >
> > I am going to look up Tikosyn as it sounds like an amazing drug. I assume
> > that you will be taking it on an ongoing basis. Are you also on
> > anticoagulants?
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf Of
> > ROGER PIHLAJA
> > Sent: Saturday, June 5, 2021 6:45 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > The 3 day Tikosyn loading procedure went pretty well.  They took their
> best
> > guess as to an appropriate dose and I responded well.  When I checked in
> on
> > Tuesday morning, the initial EKG showed me going in and out of A-Fib.
> The
> > data logs from my implanted pacemaker showed I was in A-Fib ~50% of the
> > time!  When they started dosing me with Tikosyn, I reverted back to
> normal
> > sinus rhythm almost immediately.  They didn't have to do an electrical
> > cardiac inversion (i.e. shock treatment!) to get my heart back into
> normal
> > sinus rhythm.  They were also prepared to do another cardiac ablation and
> > upgrade my implanted pacemaker from a 2 lead to a 3 lead unit.  If they
> had
> > to do that, the cardiac ablation would have been used to kill off all the
> > remaining biological pacemaker cells and completely rely on the upgraded
> > pacemaker.  It may come to that in the future.  But, for the moment we're
> > going to stick with the 2 lead pacemaker and Tikosyn.  They also did an
> > ultrasonic echo cardiogram to determine how enlarged my heart has gotten
> > after all this A-Fibbing and measure the volume % ejected.  These
> > measurements will be needed for the procedure next week.  I was hooked
> up to
> > a wireless cardiac monitor for the entire 3 days I was in the hospital.
> So,
> > they were monitoring my heart function constantly while I was getting
> loaded
> > up on Tikosyn.  By the morning of the 2nd day of Tikosyn loading, my
> > wireless cardiac monitor showed I was in normal sinus rhythm and didn't
> > glitch once from then on!
> >
> > I actually feel much better.  But, lying about in a hospital is one thing
> > and actually living a normal life is another.  So, for an initial cardiac
> > insult test,  I mowed my front lawn yesterday.  I felt OK afterwards.  I
> was
> > also climbing up on a ladder measuring the length of my mast for Allyn,
> > again with no apparent ill effects.
> >
> > I'm scheduled for another COVID-19 test this Sunday.  Then, I have to
> > quarantine until I go into the hospital on June 10th for a cardiac
> > catheterization procedure.  If nothing goes crooked, this will be a 1 day
> > out patient procedure.   But, this is exploratory laparoscopic surgery.
> They
> > might have to keep me longer depending on what they find &/or if
> something
> > goes crooked with the procedure itself.  Thanks for all the kind wishes
> and
> > please keep me in your prayers.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
> > 10
> >
>
>

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 13:14:09 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 10:14:09 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
In-Reply-To: <SA1PR19MB48962D5184FD2ED3112C6034DC3B9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEqJHY53DhBwL=_80OiQtWHR8+6p=kQ0Jq__GvusUT-_FXKiQg@mail.gmail.com>
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First one.  Disconnect the fuel line and suck everything out of the carb.

Based on the responses maybe I won't do it and just keep using a fuel
stabilizer.  When the outboard dealer ran it dry in a tank it seems like it
took forever.



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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 13:23:04 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 10:23:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Battery and motor causes boat to lean portside
In-Reply-To: <SA1PR19MB4896CBEA1B13A5A4F56FD8DDDC3B9@SA1PR19MB4896.namprd19.prod.outlook.com>
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I couldn't find it in the archives but I think Mary Lou or someone said the
boat sails better with more weight moved to the bow.  I removed a bunch of
unnecessary junk stored in the lazerette and the boat became lightening
fast.  In my mind.

Lee



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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 13:26:32 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 10:26:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
In-Reply-To: <1622843559611-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1622843559611-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1623000392075-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Good advice, as usual.  Thanks everyone.

Lee



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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Sun Jun  6 13:33:51 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 10:33:51 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fqihpezhDWiMmhR8d5PzKqyDEGJYk3C_ZnfOY6YQZCNOw@mail.gmail.com>
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Jesse,

Sounds exciting!

Stan told me that if my boat ever overturns he'll give me one free night's
stay at the plant.

Lee



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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sun Jun  6 21:15:44 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 21:15:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
Message-ID: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>

Don't know who owns the boat, but glad to finally see the new R22 burgee 
in person. Looks great as does the boat in her slip at Fishing Bay 
Marina in Deltaville, VA. We are here for a couple of nights with a 
group of cruisers from the upper Bay. Even though we no longer have our 
Rhodes, it always does my heart good to see one in front of me.

Mary Lou
ex R22
now Rosborough RF-246??? 'Tara'
(who is also in this photo a couple of slips up from the octagonal office)


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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Jun  7 09:54:58 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 09:54:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
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Mary Lou,

That Rhodes may belong to "da Burgee Man", himself:

	Joe Dempsey
	s/v Respite 
	Rhodes 22 1989/2005

Please check out the newly updated page dedicated to the burgee on our website, www.rhodes22.org

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 9:16 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA

Don't know who owns the boat, but glad to finally see the new R22 burgee in person. Looks great as does the boat in her slip at Fishing Bay Marina in Deltaville, VA. We are here for a couple of nights with a group of cruisers from the upper Bay. Even though we no longer have our Rhodes, it always does my heart good to see one in front of me.

Mary Lou
ex R22
now Rosborough RF-246    'Tara'
(who is also in this photo a couple of slips up from the octagonal office)


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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Jun  7 11:01:19 2021
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 11:01:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
In-Reply-To: <1622843559611-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1622843559611-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <73E0EF90-18D8-4703-8A44-532BFBC6A2FF@stottarchitecture.com>

Last spring, at launch, I lost my 8HP Yamaha when the top of the GB motor mount (2? laminated plywood) broke off within a half boat length of the ramp.
Since the motor was cabled to the mount, it all went to the bottom. 
Retrieving the motor is a whole other email. 
I made an insurance claim - GIECO.  They did not cover the outboard, but gave e $2500 for the motor mount.  I bought a West marine Lift, and used a spare motor. for the 2020 covid season, then rebuilt the GB motor mount this winter and installed a new Honda on it. 
Turns out - the Honda Couling is larger than the Yahama and now hits the stern rail and prevents me from tilting it all the way up to get the prop out of the water.
Another project! 
I would  have launched last Sunday, but the Bay Constable (after he watched me rig and raise the mast)  had a differ of opinion about whether I needed a ramp permit for a seasonal launch.  He told me that if I had checked I could have avoided all the rigmarole.  I told him I had checked - and learned I didn?t need a permit - that I  had been launching and retrieving at that ramp for 8 years without a problem and now had a lot of de-rigmarole to do. 
The dude had no sense of humor and my boat?s back in the driveway.
Ric 
Sv Dadventure   


Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jun 4, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for boats. 
> Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My outboard
> is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
> could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
> 
> Do any of you all insure your outboards?
> 
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22
> Claytor Lake, VA
> 
> 
> 
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Jun  7 11:24:18 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 11:24:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
In-Reply-To: <73E0EF90-18D8-4703-8A44-532BFBC6A2FF@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1622843559611-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <73E0EF90-18D8-4703-8A44-532BFBC6A2FF@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <003901d75bb1$2f7206e0$8e5614a0$@ebsmed.com>

Bay Constables! Tough to rig in the heat!  It was in the 90's here on Long Island yesterday, although much cooler at the water.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 11:01 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance

Last spring, at launch, I lost my 8HP Yamaha when the top of the GB motor mount (2? laminated plywood) broke off within a half boat length of the ramp.
Since the motor was cabled to the mount, it all went to the bottom. 
Retrieving the motor is a whole other email. 
I made an insurance claim - GIECO.  They did not cover the outboard, but gave e $2500 for the motor mount.  I bought a West marine Lift, and used a spare motor. for the 2020 covid season, then rebuilt the GB motor mount this winter and installed a new Honda on it. 
Turns out - the Honda Couling is larger than the Yahama and now hits the stern rail and prevents me from tilting it all the way up to get the prop out of the water.
Another project! 
I would  have launched last Sunday, but the Bay Constable (after he watched me rig and raise the mast)  had a differ of opinion about whether I needed a ramp permit for a seasonal launch.  He told me that if I had checked I could have avoided all the rigmarole.  I told him I had checked - and learned I didn?t need a permit - that I  had been launching and retrieving at that ramp for 8 years without a problem and now had a lot of de-rigmarole to do. 
The dude had no sense of humor and my boat?s back in the driveway.
Ric 
Sv Dadventure   


Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jun 4, 2021, at 5:52 PM, Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for boats. 
> Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My outboard
> is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
> could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
> 
> Do any of you all insure your outboards?
> 
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22
> Claytor Lake, VA
> 
> 
> 
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 14:04:25 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 14:04:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
In-Reply-To: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
References: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <CABkv36ZRZ2eaz1vm0ViGD_c=AVnAv3-EXk0zP2ZO4-R+HSOaFg@mail.gmail.com>

It is from another country.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 9:16 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:

> Don't know who owns the boat, but glad to finally see the new R22 burgee
> in person. Looks great as does the boat in her slip at Fishing Bay
> Marina in Deltaville, VA. We are here for a couple of nights with a
> group of cruisers from the upper Bay. Even though we no longer have our
> Rhodes, it always does my heart good to see one in front of me.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex R22
> now Rosborough RF-246    'Tara'
> (who is also in this photo a couple of slips up from the octagonal office)
>
>
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Jun  7 17:25:43 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 17:25:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
In-Reply-To: <01d001d75ba4$b4aba170$1e02e450$@ebsmed.com>
References: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
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That's it! Thanks! Nice looking boat.

ML

On 6/7/2021 9:54 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Mary Lou,
>
> That Rhodes may belong to "da Burgee Man", himself:
>
> 	Joe Dempsey
> 	s/v Respite
> 	Rhodes 22 1989/2005
>
> Please check out the newly updated page dedicated to the burgee on our website, www.rhodes22.org
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
>
> Don't know who owns the boat, but glad to finally see the new R22 burgee in person. Looks great as does the boat in her slip at Fishing Bay Marina in Deltaville, VA. We are here for a couple of nights with a group of cruisers from the upper Bay. Even though we no longer have our Rhodes, it always does my heart good to see one in front of me.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex R22
> now Rosborough RF-246    'Tara'
> (who is also in this photo a couple of slips up from the octagonal office)
>
>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Jun  7 17:33:17 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 17:33:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
In-Reply-To: <c93f56dc-15ea-b0ae-6a2d-ac87ddd67535@atlanticbb.net>
References: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
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Message-ID: <007701d75be4$bb5d8b60$3218a220$@ebsmed.com>

Mary Lou,

I hope that you and Fred are happy with Tara. I am looking at her and for the life of me I still can't figure where the sails go ;-)

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 5:26 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA

That's it! Thanks! Nice looking boat.

ML

On 6/7/2021 9:54 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Mary Lou,
>
> That Rhodes may belong to "da Burgee Man", himself:
>
> 	Joe Dempsey
> 	s/v Respite
> 	Rhodes 22 1989/2005
>
> Please check out the newly updated page dedicated to the burgee on our 
> website, www.rhodes22.org
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 9:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
>
> Don't know who owns the boat, but glad to finally see the new R22 burgee in person. Looks great as does the boat in her slip at Fishing Bay Marina in Deltaville, VA. We are here for a couple of nights with a group of cruisers from the upper Bay. Even though we no longer have our Rhodes, it always does my heart good to see one in front of me.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex R22
> now Rosborough RF-246    'Tara'
> (who is also in this photo a couple of slips up from the octagonal 
> office)
>
>
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 20:33:32 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 19:33:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] a note from the admiral
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpVZCCY6H6xHmjbMXaBH94hpLEzBLBu5mUhpb==RicpHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I think my situation as the captain of our R22 may be similar to some of
yours where you are married to the admiral.  When my wife and I were
looking for trailer sailer pocket cruisers that we could enjoy for a long
time, the Rhodes 22 stood out as the winner.  At the time, my wife didn't
know how to sail yet but we looked at the reviews together.

Since then she has learned a lot and she will often be at the helm
depending on what she feels like that day.  When we were in San Francisco,
one of the classes we took was for docking (definitely best if both of us
understand what's involved, especially on bigger boats) and we used several
boats, starting with a Ranger 23 and then moving up in size.  My wife had
not been on another boat of similar size to the R22.  She was not impressed
with the Ranger 23 and missed the tiller to motor linkage from the R22 as
we practiced docking.  The boats we were on this past week were traditional
with running rigging at the mast, traditional mainsails, etc.

The admiral indicated that she would not be out on the boat near as much if
it took as much work as it did with all the traditional methods.  She is a
fan of the many convenient features of the R22 including IMF.  I count this
a huge win since it is great to go sailing together.

Just thought I would share this in case there are any potential R22 buyers
on the list that may be wavering about what kind of boat might suit both
the captain AND the admiral.  It has worked out well for us.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 20:45:21 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 17:45:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] a note from the admiral
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fpVZCCY6H6xHmjbMXaBH94hpLEzBLBu5mUhpb==RicpHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fpVZCCY6H6xHmjbMXaBH94hpLEzBLBu5mUhpb==RicpHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1623113121325-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Quick correction to the last note: I mentioned running rigging at the mast,
but I was referring to halyards, reefing, etc. It turned out to be quite
lively to head on deck and up to the mast in some lively conditions in San
Francisco Bay!



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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Jun  7 20:48:14 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 20:48:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
In-Reply-To: <007701d75be4$bb5d8b60$3218a220$@ebsmed.com>
References: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
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Hi Mike,
 ?We are very happy with Tara except on the days when conditions are 
perfect for sailing.

As you probably know, we did a lot of cruising on Fretless from 
overnights to 2 week cruises. As we got older we found we were going out 
less and less when conditions were less that ideal and agility issues 
made us less confident about sailing the boat. When we decided to sell 
Fretless we thought we would be replacing her with a small runabout just 
to get us out on the water but just couldn't get excited about anything. 
It wasn't until we stepped aboard the Rosborough that we knew our next 
step. It was her similarity to the Rhodes in terms of simplicity, size, 
closeness to the water and the sturdy good seakeeping design that led us 
onward. Not to mention the air conditioning at the dock in 90 degree 
weather and the windshield wipers and enclosed helm in the rain.

On the other hand, while Tara has her own Facebook page updated 
sporadically, the boat photos on our walls at home are Fretless and the 
memories are very sweet and seeing Respite here in Deltaville, truly 
made me smile.

Mary Lou



On 6/7/2021 5:33 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Mary Lou,
>
> I hope that you and Fred are happy with Tara. I am looking at her and for the life of me I still can't figure where the sails go ;-)
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 5:26 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
>
> That's it! Thanks! Nice looking boat.
>
> ML
>
> On 6/7/2021 9:54 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>> That Rhodes may belong to "da Burgee Man", himself:
>>
>> 	Joe Dempsey
>> 	s/v Respite
>> 	Rhodes 22 1989/2005
>>
>> Please check out the newly updated page dedicated to the burgee on our
>> website, www.rhodes22.org
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Mary Lou Troy
>> Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 9:16 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
>>
>> Don't know who owns the boat, but glad to finally see the new R22 burgee in person. Looks great as does the boat in her slip at Fishing Bay Marina in Deltaville, VA. We are here for a couple of nights with a group of cruisers from the upper Bay. Even though we no longer have our Rhodes, it always does my heart good to see one in front of me.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> ex R22
>> now Rosborough RF-246    'Tara'
>> (who is also in this photo a couple of slips up from the octagonal
>> office)
>>
>>
>> --
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>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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>>
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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 20:53:05 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 20:53:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] a note from the admiral
In-Reply-To: <1623113121325-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAMc-3fpVZCCY6H6xHmjbMXaBH94hpLEzBLBu5mUhpb==RicpHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1623113121325-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRo5H7F-E5zD9PENFpEEqTPfd_04KAhGO96-57gCJJNDvg@mail.gmail.com>

Jesse, I understand completely. But then the Ranger 23 is better suited for
the San Francisco Bay sailing. It has twice the ballast as the Rhodes
The Bay is well known for its strong winds not to mention the currents.

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 8:45 PM Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Quick correction to the last note: I mentioned running rigging at the mast,
> but I was referring to halyards, reefing, etc. It turned out to be quite
> lively to head on deck and up to the mast in some lively conditions in San
> Francisco Bay!
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Mon Jun  7 22:09:12 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 21:09:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] a note from the admiral
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRo5H7F-E5zD9PENFpEEqTPfd_04KAhGO96-57gCJJNDvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fpVZCCY6H6xHmjbMXaBH94hpLEzBLBu5mUhpb==RicpHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1623113121325-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAPQvPRo5H7F-E5zD9PENFpEEqTPfd_04KAhGO96-57gCJJNDvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY53opNGG+-ib_ToOL_n1ErhUJ3iK8TiLTbLjTP8kUZ89Q@mail.gmail.com>

Jesse,
My wife has taken helm over as my.plauging dyslexia is too much for her to
deal with at sea.  Namely, I hate my hiking stick...  It's the twist lock
type and I can't ever seem to twist the right way, lol. (Man, I sound like
a whiner)   This frustration transfered to the throttle on the tiller of
the outboard and the hiking tiller, with linkage. I dream of an electric on
tiller control ....

She'd rather not grab the dock and deal with the docking lines, a
developing skillless crew, lol.  So it's working out well.

Even in some mild+ (20) winds on lake Michigan, I wish she weighed 10k lbs
more.
But that just inexperience with her.  She flys and acts like a cork.  Just
need to train myself.

Thanks for listening,




On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 7:53 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jesse, I understand completely. But then the Ranger 23 is better suited for
> the San Francisco Bay sailing. It has twice the ballast as the Rhodes
> The Bay is well known for its strong winds not to mention the currents.
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 8:45 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Quick correction to the last note: I mentioned running rigging at the
> mast,
> > but I was referring to halyards, reefing, etc. It turned out to be quite
> > lively to head on deck and up to the mast in some lively conditions in
> San
> > Francisco Bay!
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Mon Jun  7 23:41:46 2021
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2021 20:41:46 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] a note from the admiral
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY53opNGG+-ib_ToOL_n1ErhUJ3iK8TiLTbLjTP8kUZ89Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fpVZCCY6H6xHmjbMXaBH94hpLEzBLBu5mUhpb==RicpHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1623113121325-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAPQvPRo5H7F-E5zD9PENFpEEqTPfd_04KAhGO96-57gCJJNDvg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY53opNGG+-ib_ToOL_n1ErhUJ3iK8TiLTbLjTP8kUZ89Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuNa-29cxUdxbDCaQuH2qojTLBCG9M+jMhp9C813FoMeaw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't think my Admiral would think of 20+ winds as 'mild'. Nor do I. Stan
says max is 28.

Cheers,

Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 7:09 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Jesse,
> My wife has taken helm over as my.plauging dyslexia is too much for her to
> deal with at sea.  Namely, I hate my hiking stick...  It's the twist lock
> type and I can't ever seem to twist the right way, lol. (Man, I sound like
> a whiner)   This frustration transfered to the throttle on the tiller of
> the outboard and the hiking tiller, with linkage. I dream of an electric on
> tiller control ....
>
> She'd rather not grab the dock and deal with the docking lines, a
> developing skillless crew, lol.  So it's working out well.
>
> Even in some mild+ (20) winds on lake Michigan, I wish she weighed 10k lbs
> more.
> But that just inexperience with her.  She flys and acts like a cork.  Just
> need to train myself.
>
> Thanks for listening,
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 7:53 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Jesse, I understand completely. But then the Ranger 23 is better suited
> for
> > the San Francisco Bay sailing. It has twice the ballast as the Rhodes
> > The Bay is well known for its strong winds not to mention the currents.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 8:45 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Quick correction to the last note: I mentioned running rigging at the
> > mast,
> > > but I was referring to halyards, reefing, etc. It turned out to be
> quite
> > > lively to head on deck and up to the mast in some lively conditions in
> > San
> > > Francisco Bay!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 05:48:45 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 04:48:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] a note from the admiral
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRo5H7F-E5zD9PENFpEEqTPfd_04KAhGO96-57gCJJNDvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fpVZCCY6H6xHmjbMXaBH94hpLEzBLBu5mUhpb==RicpHQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <1623113121325-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAPQvPRo5H7F-E5zD9PENFpEEqTPfd_04KAhGO96-57gCJJNDvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpV8MyuCpaRaGF0YRo_oYqPXLe-XpBDQgQ7PL1d7K3-gg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cary,

The instructor mentioned that a Ranger 23 has even done a passage to
Hawaii.  However, the school uses larger boats for San Francisco Bay and
keep the Ranger 23 for the estuary where the school is located, as well as
the East Bay which is east of the Bay Bridge where conditions tend to be
quite a bit more moderate.  The boats we took out in San Francisco Bay were
a Fontaine Pajot 35 and a Targa 34 which where both up to the task.  The
wind there was on a new level compared to what I experienced beforehand.
Conditions are relatively tame where we use the Rhodes, though I'm
impressed by the adventures that others have made on a R22.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 7:53 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jesse, I understand completely. But then the Ranger 23 is better suited for
> the San Francisco Bay sailing. It has twice the ballast as the Rhodes
> The Bay is well known for its strong winds not to mention the currents.
>
> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 8:45 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Quick correction to the last note: I mentioned running rigging at the
> mast,
> > but I was referring to halyards, reefing, etc. It turned out to be quite
> > lively to head on deck and up to the mast in some lively conditions in
> San
> > Francisco Bay!
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Jun  8 08:22:47 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 12:22:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
In-Reply-To: <4057dbbd-c230-40ce-24a7-834a8dd74a2c@atlanticbb.net>
References: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
 <01d001d75ba4$b4aba170$1e02e450$@ebsmed.com>
 <c93f56dc-15ea-b0ae-6a2d-ac87ddd67535@atlanticbb.net>
 <007701d75be4$bb5d8b60$3218a220$@ebsmed.com>,
 <4057dbbd-c230-40ce-24a7-834a8dd74a2c@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69203DE7E6B44F52D4B4BB6980379@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Mary Lou,

I read your post with great interest because Deb & I may be in a similar situation soon because of her diabetes and my arthritic knees and cardiac issues.  I have been thinking in terms of a trailerable single engine trawler style boat with an enclosed helm station.  We would still like to be able to cruise; but, we?re not ready to commit to ?the big boat? yet.  A lot will depend on when/if they restore Sanford Lake from last year?s dam failures and flooding.  We spent ~K$19 to repair our seawalls, steps, beach, and stabilize our shoreline against erosion last year.  If they restore the lake, we will need to spend a similar amount to restore our dock to preflood condition.  We will have plenty of notice to replace the dock if they decide the dam project is a go.  This will be the 1st time I?ve ever built a dock on dry land!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Mary Lou Troy<mailto:mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 8:48 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA

Hi Mike,
  We are very happy with Tara except on the days when conditions are
perfect for sailing.

As you probably know, we did a lot of cruising on Fretless from
overnights to 2 week cruises. As we got older we found we were going out
less and less when conditions were less that ideal and agility issues
made us less confident about sailing the boat. When we decided to sell
Fretless we thought we would be replacing her with a small runabout just
to get us out on the water but just couldn't get excited about anything.
It wasn't until we stepped aboard the Rosborough that we knew our next
step. It was her similarity to the Rhodes in terms of simplicity, size,
closeness to the water and the sturdy good seakeeping design that led us
onward. Not to mention the air conditioning at the dock in 90 degree
weather and the windshield wipers and enclosed helm in the rain.

On the other hand, while Tara has her own Facebook page updated
sporadically, the boat photos on our walls at home are Fretless and the
memories are very sweet and seeing Respite here in Deltaville, truly
made me smile.

Mary Lou



On 6/7/2021 5:33 PM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> Mary Lou,
>
> I hope that you and Fred are happy with Tara. I am looking at her and for the life of me I still can't figure where the sails go ;-)
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Monday, June 7, 2021 5:26 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
>
> That's it! Thanks! Nice looking boat.
>
> ML
>
> On 6/7/2021 9:54 AM, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>> Mary Lou,
>>
>> That Rhodes may belong to "da Burgee Man", himself:
>>
>>       Joe Dempsey
>>       s/v Respite
>>       Rhodes 22 1989/2005
>>
>> Please check out the newly updated page dedicated to the burgee on our
>> website, www.rhodes22.org<http://www.rhodes22.org>
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Mary Lou Troy
>> Sent: Sunday, June 6, 2021 9:16 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
>>
>> Don't know who owns the boat, but glad to finally see the new R22 burgee in person. Looks great as does the boat in her slip at Fishing Bay Marina in Deltaville, VA. We are here for a couple of nights with a group of cruisers from the upper Bay. Even though we no longer have our Rhodes, it always does my heart good to see one in front of me.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> ex R22
>> now Rosborough RF-246    'Tara'
>> (who is also in this photo a couple of slips up from the octagonal
>> office)
>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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From rodellner at mac.com  Tue Jun  8 12:51:08 2021
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 10:51:08 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36ZRZ2eaz1vm0ViGD_c=AVnAv3-EXk0zP2ZO4-R+HSOaFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36ZRZ2eaz1vm0ViGD_c=AVnAv3-EXk0zP2ZO4-R+HSOaFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <240803BB-95E0-4A08-B043-5D38F3462521@mac.com>

MaryLou 

Always enjoy seeing your emails
.. .. (remember the Rummy days and the paper lists he kept of members)

Mary & Rod
(Thinking of CO)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2021, at 12:05 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?It is from another country.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 6, 2021 at 9:16 PM Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Don't know who owns the boat, but glad to finally see the new R22 burgee
>> in person. Looks great as does the boat in her slip at Fishing Bay
>> Marina in Deltaville, VA. We are here for a couple of nights with a
>> group of cruisers from the upper Bay. Even though we no longer have our
>> Rhodes, it always does my heart good to see one in front of me.
>> 
>> Mary Lou
>> ex R22
>> now Rosborough RF-246    'Tara'
>> (who is also in this photo a couple of slips up from the octagonal office)
>> 
>> 
>> --
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>>> 
>> 

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 13:16:29 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:16:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Controller
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>

I realize there are almost as many boat configurations as there are Rhodes
22.
My question is: WHERE seems to be the BEST location for a solar control
panel?
Thanks for the help on this one. I will not respond to each reply
individually.

Cary
S/V Whisper '86
Radford, VA

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 14:22:46 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 11:22:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Controller
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1623176566158-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Cary,

On my old boat I had Stan install them on the cabin top.  Don't know if
that's the best place but I thought they looked good there

Hammock_with_Genoa_Leads_(1).jpg
<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/Hammock_with_Genoa_Leads_%281%29.jpg>  

On my "new" boat (which I pick up this weekend!) the previous owner had them
in the same place.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA



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Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From Tejas.Hill at outlook.com  Tue Jun  8 14:28:06 2021
From: Tejas.Hill at outlook.com (Tex Hill)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:28:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] a note from the admiral
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fpV8MyuCpaRaGF0YRo_oYqPXLe-XpBDQgQ7PL1d7K3-gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fpV8MyuCpaRaGF0YRo_oYqPXLe-XpBDQgQ7PL1d7K3-gg@mail.gmail.com>
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Stan and Elton both told me, ? If you can knock it down we?ll give it to you?.  we hit some strong strong winds that day coming out of a protected creek into the Pungo River and we went over almost flat, but not down and popped right back up. For a minute I thought we were going to get a free boat. (:
Another time we were sailing on Pickwick on a windy day and returning to the dock full of people, when I asked what was going on, they said we were waiting to see you get knocked down. Didn?t happen !
Tex


Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 8, 2021, at 4:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Cary,
> 
> The instructor mentioned that a Ranger 23 has even done a passage to
> Hawaii.  However, the school uses larger boats for San Francisco Bay and
> keep the Ranger 23 for the estuary where the school is located, as well as
> the East Bay which is east of the Bay Bridge where conditions tend to be
> quite a bit more moderate.  The boats we took out in San Francisco Bay were
> a Fontaine Pajot 35 and a Targa 34 which where both up to the task.  The
> wind there was on a new level compared to what I experienced beforehand.
> Conditions are relatively tame where we use the Rhodes, though I'm
> impressed by the adventures that others have made on a R22.
> 
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021 at 7:53 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Jesse, I understand completely. But then the Ranger 23 is better suited for
>> the San Francisco Bay sailing. It has twice the ballast as the Rhodes
>> The Bay is well known for its strong winds not to mention the currents.
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2021, 8:45 PM Jesse Shumaker <
>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Quick correction to the last note: I mentioned running rigging at the
>> mast,
>>> but I was referring to halyards, reefing, etc. It turned out to be quite
>>> lively to head on deck and up to the mast in some lively conditions in
>> San
>>> Francisco Bay!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>> 
>> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Jun  8 15:12:46 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2021 12:12:46 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Controller
Message-ID: <E1lqh9a-00B4Vt-Om@s152.servername.online>

Cary,

Very few Rhodes 22's have a solar controller.  The panels the General Boats puts on are small enough that a controller is not needed.  I have 2 100 watt panels on my 'arch', so I have one for those.  Mine is mounted in the lazarette, on the transom, about centerline.  I'm not sure it's the BEST location, but it's been working for me.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-06-08, at 13:16:29 EDT, Cary Tolbert wrote:
>
> I realize there are almost as many boat configurations as there are Rhodes 22.
> My question is: WHERE seems to be the BEST location for a solar control panel?
> Thanks for the help on this one. I will not respond to each reply individually.
> 
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
> Radford, VA
> 


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Jun  8 15:36:58 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 15:36:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Controller
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36ZY1KOaeto+wQ4y_RAwmL8y110Q_qtQcxyx8eKGU7bRig@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cary,

Mine is in the battery box where I can see the diode light easily in the
shadows.  A controller is essential with today's solar panels so you don't
fry the battery.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 1:16 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> I realize there are almost as many boat configurations as there are Rhodes
> 22.
> My question is: WHERE seems to be the BEST location for a solar control
> panel?
> Thanks for the help on this one. I will not respond to each reply
> individually.
>
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
> Radford, VA
>

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 17:50:01 2021
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 14:50:01 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Controller
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1623189001506-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

The trickle cells probably won't overtop the batteries, toasting them.  
Probably.    I added a pair between the solar cells and batteries last year,
when I replaced a faulty cell.   One lives in the battery box by the V
berth, next to the main switch.  The other is in the little storage nook
under the companionway.   I looked at it as an inexpensive way to add a
voltage gauge and USB ports for phone or IPad (Navionics) charger.   The
negative is parasitic drain during winter layup.   I did the math, the
milliamps added up from November to April.    The manufacturer cautions that
a solar cell hooked to the controller but not to a batter would damage the
controller.   I covered my solar cells and disconnected the batteries.  A
smarter person would have wired in a switch.  

Alex



-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 17:54:58 2021
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 14:54:58 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
In-Reply-To: <1622843559611-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1622843559611-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1623189298791-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Mine is also bundled  with my State Farm homeowners policy, separate for
trailer, motor  and boat with assigned values.   They were a challenge when
my trailer got damaged, clearly they are not well versed on boat trailers,
didn't have anybody to provide an estimate, and wasted  a great deal of my
time.   They were also very pissy that Ohio doesn't title trailers less then
4000 pounds.  I finally got them to settle for the policy value, which was
too low (my bad).   They decided they didn't want to mess with a bent
trailer so I'm trying to sell it as salvage for the axle now.    

I looked at BoatUS and their company (I forget who it is) last year, but
didn't want to haul the boat wherever a surveyor could be found.  

Alex



-----
Alex Cole
S/V Lark
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From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 18:05:24 2021
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 15:05:24 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY53DhBwL=_80OiQtWHR8+6p=kQ0Jq__GvusUT-_FXKiQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY53DhBwL=_80OiQtWHR8+6p=kQ0Jq__GvusUT-_FXKiQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1623189924799-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Pox on corn whiskey in gasoline.    From now on I'm running ethanol free
only.   I currently have stabilized gas from last summer on Erie.    Lowes
sells ethanol free as well, about $25 / gallon.  Carburetors cost more.    
Having my 4 year old motor fail yet again, two weeks before  a planned
cruise when the shops aren't taking new business is panic inducing.   
Running the carb dry isn't sufficient in my experience, but I do that every
single time.   My Tohatsu can get 25 nautical miles / gallon but the jets
clog easily.   My old 2 cycle Evinrude has jets that never clog, but sucks
the tank dry like a 1970's car.   

I ran the tank dry on my dry stored wood chipper last fall, but just
replaced the carb last night anyway.  Fortunately I found the carb was
cheaper then a new fuel line and gaskets (after I cleaned the old one).  
Marine grade carbs are a lot more expensive. but rebuilds are expensive as
well.   

Alex



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S/V Lark
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From mike at traildesign.com  Tue Jun  8 19:31:58 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 19:31:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Controller
In-Reply-To: <1623189001506-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1623189001506-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo-Mm-54=iWiH7nHhBoybV=v191t99CsAiMxvKEdax3RQg@mail.gmail.com>

I added 125 watts of solar to my boat via a flexible panel mounted on the
Bimini. I only put it on there when we go out for multi day trips. I bought
a Victron Connect 75/15 solar controller to manage the charge to the two
lead acid batteries on board. According to Victron the controller should be
placed in the same space as the batteries as it monitors temperature as
well as voltage, wattage, etc. So I mounted it right in the battery box. I
really like that it connects to my iPad via Bluetooth and displays all the
pertinent data at a glance.

Mike Riter
SV Emma B

On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 5:50 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> The trickle cells probably won't overtop the batteries, toasting them.
> Probably.    I added a pair between the solar cells and batteries last
> year,
> when I replaced a faulty cell.   One lives in the battery box by the V
> berth, next to the main switch.  The other is in the little storage nook
> under the companionway.   I looked at it as an inexpensive way to add a
> voltage gauge and USB ports for phone or IPad (Navionics) charger.   The
> negative is parasitic drain during winter layup.   I did the math, the
> milliamps added up from November to April.    The manufacturer cautions
> that
> a solar cell hooked to the controller but not to a batter would damage the
> controller.   I covered my solar cells and disconnected the batteries.  A
> smarter person would have wired in a switch.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
-- 
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  8 21:02:52 2021
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2021 18:02:52 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Controller
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-Mm-54=iWiH7nHhBoybV=v191t99CsAiMxvKEdax3RQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1623189001506-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAAY+qo-Mm-54=iWiH7nHhBoybV=v191t99CsAiMxvKEdax3RQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1623200572739-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I hadn?t realized how far flexible cells had come.     Do you have pictures
of your Bimini mount?   

Alex



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S/V Lark
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From mike at traildesign.com  Wed Jun  9 01:38:16 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 01:38:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Controller
In-Reply-To: <1623200572739-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1623189001506-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAAY+qo-Mm-54=iWiH7nHhBoybV=v191t99CsAiMxvKEdax3RQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1623200572739-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo-1gSSX28t9CDrjLN+=6SAYQSsr0848NY=ziey_iyRgzA@mail.gmail.com>

Well, kinda. It didn't occur to me to take photos of it while I was setting
it all up, but I'm attaching one where you can kinda see the solar panel on
the forward part of the bimini if you zoom way in. The setup was pretty
simple. The solar panel has grommets in all four corners so I used short
bungee cords to secure it to the support poles of the bimini. I made a
custom 10 gauge cable that runs from the panel, down the forward/ starboard
side of the bimini pole and plugs into a watertite plug mounted in the
starboard cockpit seat back. From there I ran another 10 gauge set of wires
through the bilge and up into the battery box which sits amid ships in
front of the v-berth.

To store the solar panel I made a mesh hammock in the v-berth. The solar
panel slides into it and is out of the way until it's needed. It takes less
than 5 minutes to strap to the bimini and plug in.

We were planning to be at sea and anchored for 10 days. Between the lights,
water pump, phones, ipad, and nav equipment I was worried the solar
wouldn't be able to keep up. I was pretty happy when the solar controller
went from bulk charge to float by noon each day. The MPPT controller is so
much more efficient than the PWM. I did find the panel worked better on the
back part of the bimini so the sail wouldn't shade it as much. Peter's set
up on the arch is much better.

I just looked it up and the panel is 110 watts not 125 like I had
originally posted. The one I purchased is made by Sunpower and has the
Maxeon cells.

Michael Riter
SV EmmaB



On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 9:02 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I hadn?t realized how far flexible cells had come.     Do you have pictures
> of your Bimini mount?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 10:02:48 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 10:02:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Controller
In-Reply-To: <1623189001506-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAPQvPRr5HtsncYt7=wywWL=dPGKguZSQ-eoN2q5vJDzn7T-frw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1623189001506-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Z6=O3aNk0pNr=js2WxfoT+_93bWUt-y5tdP3B22-NrWw@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

You need to use a controller specifically designed for solar cells.  And
you really need a controller for a deep cycle battery which is easily
damaged by the high voltage produced by a cell on a hot, sunny day.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Tue, Jun 8, 2021 at 5:50 PM S/V Lark <Colealexander at hotmail.com> wrote:

> The trickle cells probably won't overtop the batteries, toasting them.
> Probably.    I added a pair between the solar cells and batteries last
> year,
> when I replaced a faulty cell.   One lives in the battery box by the V
> berth, next to the main switch.  The other is in the little storage nook
> under the companionway.   I looked at it as an inexpensive way to add a
> voltage gauge and USB ports for phone or IPad (Navionics) charger.   The
> negative is parasitic drain during winter layup.   I did the math, the
> milliamps added up from November to April.    The manufacturer cautions
> that
> a solar cell hooked to the controller but not to a batter would damage the
> controller.   I covered my solar cells and disconnected the batteries.  A
> smarter person would have wired in a switch.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> -----
> Alex Cole
> S/V Lark
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From Colealexander at hotmail.com  Wed Jun  9 12:33:15 2021
From: Colealexander at hotmail.com (S/V Lark)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 09:33:15 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We launched today! Lake Michigan motor stuff.
In-Reply-To: <1623189924799-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <CAEqJHY53DhBwL=_80OiQtWHR8+6p=kQ0Jq__GvusUT-_FXKiQg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1623189924799-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1623256395363-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

?Projext Farm ?Does fuel stabilizer prevent...?.   
http://       

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvS_D4_lF5U

?Born again boating?.  ?What fuel do you put in your boat? <http://       
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvS_D4_lF5U> 
http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOk65gstEKY
<http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOk65gstEKY>  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOk65gstEKY

are good sources of information.    Bottom line, stabilizer doesn?t stop the
water from collecting.   It slows the corrosion somewhat, but less then
ethanol free fuel does.    Gasoline evaporates, leaving ethanol and water in
the tank.   Untreated ethanol free is more stable then even treated gas /
ethanol tinctures.   ADM hates boaters.   

I?ve written my Congressman, asking him to subsidize my carb budget if he
insists on mandating the ethanol industry. 

Alex



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S/V Lark
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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 12:49:36 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 09:49:36 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane
Message-ID: <1623257376577-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I?ve realized I feel a little precarious standing at the mast crane and
turning the winch handle. I would rather be able to be on my knees to do
this. Has anyone modified their mast crane by moving the hand winch down on
the tube and routing the line through a block at the top of the tube and
then to the bow cleat?
I?ll include a drawing to show what I have in mind and to see if you fellow
Rhodies think it would work. 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/F39F46B4-4A24-4A7C-9D05-15AD18B31F5D.png> 



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George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986
Lake Waccamaw NC
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Jun  9 13:11:37 2021
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 13:11:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane
In-Reply-To: <1623257376577-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623257376577-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <7739C126-5A38-4C17-AA67-0A39549884ED@stottarchitecture.com>

That is what mine looks like.
It?s a home made deal that I got for free last Sumer by driving to Cape May, NJ, from a gracious ex-Rhodie who also  gave me a continental mast, a Genoa and a home made stern mast support, a couple of used winches and misc. hardware. 
The steel cable on the winch could lift a barge, but other than the over-scaled cable, the system works great. 
Ric 
Dadventure 
Hampton Bays 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I?ve realized I feel a little precarious standing at the mast crane and
> turning the winch handle. I would rather be able to be on my knees to do
> this. Has anyone modified their mast crane by moving the hand winch down on
> the tube and routing the line through a block at the top of the tube and
> then to the bow cleat?
> I?ll include a drawing to show what I have in mind and to see if you fellow
> Rhodies think it would work. 
> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/F39F46B4-4A24-4A7C-9D05-15AD18B31F5D.png> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> George Morgan
> S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> Lake Waccamaw NC
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Jun  9 14:36:32 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 13:36:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane
In-Reply-To: <7739C126-5A38-4C17-AA67-0A39549884ED@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <1623257376577-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <7739C126-5A38-4C17-AA67-0A39549884ED@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5d==JSfjhvHNGmtubYdHoT=c0_vvoC_-L+JaidaT8Xwg@mail.gmail.com>

Make sure the handle clears the deck.  When you get to the end of the house
you are on your knees spinning the winch handle.

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 12:11 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> That is what mine looks like.
> It?s a home made deal that I got for free last Sumer by driving to Cape
> May, NJ, from a gracious ex-Rhodie who also  gave me a continental mast, a
> Genoa and a home made stern mast support, a couple of used winches and
> misc. hardware.
> The steel cable on the winch could lift a barge, but other than the
> over-scaled cable, the system works great.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> Hampton Bays
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I?ve realized I feel a little precarious standing at the mast crane and
> > turning the winch handle. I would rather be able to be on my knees to do
> > this. Has anyone modified their mast crane by moving the hand winch down
> on
> > the tube and routing the line through a block at the top of the tube and
> > then to the bow cleat?
> > I?ll include a drawing to show what I have in mind and to see if you
> fellow
> > Rhodies think it would work.
> >
> > <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/F39F46B4-4A24-4A7C-9D05-15AD18B31F5D.png>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > George Morgan
> > S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> > Lake Waccamaw NC
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 17:37:18 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Mike McKay)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 14:37:18 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
Message-ID: <1623274638195-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi All,

I need to replace my bow navigation light and possibly my masthead
anchor/steaming light.

I contacted Stan and he said that the bow light is manufactured by Sea-Dog,
but I'm having a bit of trouble locating it except on their website. 
Moreover, the Sea-Dog fixture is incandescent and I want LED of course.  I
could buy it and replace the bulbs but have any of you found a good
substitute for the bow navigation light?

I also asked Stan about replacing my masthead light fixture which doesn't
work and is very corroded.  If I do replace it, it should also be LED. 
Stan's view is that we don't really need a masthead light anyway, so having
a masthead fixture is more trouble than it's worth.  Nonetheless, I like to
keep things working as they were originally designed, so I'd be interested
in your opinions.

In regards to the masthead light, the electrical connection at the base of
my mast has 4 pins, but it is not keyed.  How do I determine the correct
orientation?

Thanks for your input.

Mike McKay
s/v Liber 2006/2018



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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 17:46:47 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 17:46:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
In-Reply-To: <1623274638195-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623274638195-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRrZJK2zUqVExdKKHYTpKpW2CQqD3YErPnGFRXnpy3_RXw@mail.gmail.com>

Mike, one of the four pins is slightly larger in diameter. It should only
insert one way.
Cary
S/V Whisper '86

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 5:37 PM Mike McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I need to replace my bow navigation light and possibly my masthead
> anchor/steaming light.
>
> I contacted Stan and he said that the bow light is manufactured by Sea-Dog,
> but I'm having a bit of trouble locating it except on their website.
> Moreover, the Sea-Dog fixture is incandescent and I want LED of course.  I
> could buy it and replace the bulbs but have any of you found a good
> substitute for the bow navigation light?
>
> I also asked Stan about replacing my masthead light fixture which doesn't
> work and is very corroded.  If I do replace it, it should also be LED.
> Stan's view is that we don't really need a masthead light anyway, so having
> a masthead fixture is more trouble than it's worth.  Nonetheless, I like to
> keep things working as they were originally designed, so I'd be interested
> in your opinions.
>
> In regards to the masthead light, the electrical connection at the base of
> my mast has 4 pins, but it is not keyed.  How do I determine the correct
> orientation?
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 20:35:16 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 17:35:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
In-Reply-To: <1623274638195-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623274638195-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1623285316859-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I have seen the  original 2 way masthead fixture in some catalog or other.
Mine was in good shape,  so I replaced the original incandescent bulbs with
LED festoon bulbs and Vaseline on the bases to impede corrosion. 
 When both bulbs are lit it serves as a 360* anchor light. When the front
bulb is lit it is a steamer light. 



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Jeff Smith
2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Wed Jun  9 23:30:20 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 23:30:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
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Thanks Cary, I?ll take a closer look. It may have been forced at some point in the past. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike, one of the four pins is slightly larger in diameter. It should only
> insert one way.
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 5:37 PM Mike McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I need to replace my bow navigation light and possibly my masthead
>> anchor/steaming light.
>> 
>> I contacted Stan and he said that the bow light is manufactured by Sea-Dog,
>> but I'm having a bit of trouble locating it except on their website.
>> Moreover, the Sea-Dog fixture is incandescent and I want LED of course.  I
>> could buy it and replace the bulbs but have any of you found a good
>> substitute for the bow navigation light?
>> 
>> I also asked Stan about replacing my masthead light fixture which doesn't
>> work and is very corroded.  If I do replace it, it should also be LED.
>> Stan's view is that we don't really need a masthead light anyway, so having
>> a masthead fixture is more trouble than it's worth.  Nonetheless, I like to
>> keep things working as they were originally designed, so I'd be interested
>> in your opinions.
>> 
>> In regards to the masthead light, the electrical connection at the base of
>> my mast has 4 pins, but it is not keyed.  How do I determine the correct
>> orientation?
>> 
>> Thanks for your input.
>> 
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 

From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Wed Jun  9 23:48:26 2021
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2021 23:48:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
In-Reply-To: <80254E4A-921A-473E-AF17-3A78DDB60595@gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRrZJK2zUqVExdKKHYTpKpW2CQqD3YErPnGFRXnpy3_RXw@mail.gmail.com>
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One terminal may be color coded, brass instead of silver. I'm assuming
this is a round plug, not a straight one. A nine volt battery has enough
power to light the bulbs, and not enough to do any damage in the event of
a short circuit. A volt meter makes testing the boat side easy. If you
don't know how to use a $5 Harbor Freight volt/ohm meter just ask.


Jerry Lowe







 Thanks Cary, I???ll take a closer look. It may have been forced at some
> point in the past.
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:47 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ???Mike, one of the four pins is slightly larger in diameter. It should
>> only
>> insert one way.
>> Cary
>> S/V Whisper '86
>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 5:37 PM Mike McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I need to replace my bow navigation light and possibly my masthead
>>> anchor/steaming light.
>>>
>>> I contacted Stan and he said that the bow light is manufactured by
>>> Sea-Dog,
>>> but I'm having a bit of trouble locating it except on their website.
>>> Moreover, the Sea-Dog fixture is incandescent and I want LED of course.
>>>  I
>>> could buy it and replace the bulbs but have any of you found a good
>>> substitute for the bow navigation light?
>>>
>>> I also asked Stan about replacing my masthead light fixture which
>>> doesn't
>>> work and is very corroded.  If I do replace it, it should also be LED.
>>> Stan's view is that we don't really need a masthead light anyway, so
>>> having
>>> a masthead fixture is more trouble than it's worth.  Nonetheless, I
>>> like to
>>> keep things working as they were originally designed, so I'd be
>>> interested
>>> in your opinions.
>>>
>>> In regards to the masthead light, the electrical connection at the base
>>> of
>>> my mast has 4 pins, but it is not keyed.  How do I determine the
>>> correct
>>> orientation?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>
>>> Mike McKay
>>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>>
>



From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 07:42:49 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 04:42:49 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does anyone use the interior jib leads while on a
	beat?
Message-ID: <1623325369147-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I am running a 130% Genoa. The lead alongside the cabin top seems doable, but
the very interior lead seems like overkill. When off the wind do you change
the lead outboard or just leave it? 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From tvpolise at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 08:06:20 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 08:06:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
In-Reply-To: <1623274638195-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623274638195-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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I replaced my bow light with this Perko light from defender.  When I replaced my mast light I saw that there were only two wires in the mast so I used a 2 pin connector in place of the 4 pin which needed replacement also. 
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> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Mike McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,
> 
> I need to replace my bow navigation light and possibly my masthead
> anchor/steaming light.
> 
> I contacted Stan and he said that the bow light is manufactured by Sea-Dog,
> but I'm having a bit of trouble locating it except on their website. 
> Moreover, the Sea-Dog fixture is incandescent and I want LED of course.  I
> could buy it and replace the bulbs but have any of you found a good
> substitute for the bow navigation light?
> 
> I also asked Stan about replacing my masthead light fixture which doesn't
> work and is very corroded.  If I do replace it, it should also be LED. 
> Stan's view is that we don't really need a masthead light anyway, so having
> a masthead fixture is more trouble than it's worth.  Nonetheless, I like to
> keep things working as they were originally designed, so I'd be interested
> in your opinions.
> 
> In regards to the masthead light, the electrical connection at the base of
> my mast has 4 pins, but it is not keyed.  How do I determine the correct
> orientation?
> 
> Thanks for your input.
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber 2006/2018
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From stevenalm at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 08:06:33 2021
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 07:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY5d==JSfjhvHNGmtubYdHoT=c0_vvoC_-L+JaidaT8Xwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1623257376577-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <7739C126-5A38-4C17-AA67-0A39549884ED@stottarchitecture.com>
 <CAEqJHY5d==JSfjhvHNGmtubYdHoT=c0_vvoC_-L+JaidaT8Xwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANtNeFCuayF-e3EuhVWS=9g8V4Avyy4_01MgZbD_PaeqqL2xuA@mail.gmail.com>

You can find some very robust 1000 lb. rated stainless steel blocks at
e-rigging.com

Slim
Fandango

On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 1:36 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Make sure the handle clears the deck.  When you get to the end of the house
> you are on your knees spinning the winch handle.
>
> On Wed, Jun 9, 2021, 12:11 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
> > That is what mine looks like.
> > It?s a home made deal that I got for free last Sumer by driving to Cape
> > May, NJ, from a gracious ex-Rhodie who also  gave me a continental mast,
> a
> > Genoa and a home made stern mast support, a couple of used winches and
> > misc. hardware.
> > The steel cable on the winch could lift a barge, but other than the
> > over-scaled cable, the system works great.
> > Ric
> > Dadventure
> > Hampton Bays
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 9, 2021, at 12:49 PM, Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I?ve realized I feel a little precarious standing at the mast crane and
> > > turning the winch handle. I would rather be able to be on my knees to
> do
> > > this. Has anyone modified their mast crane by moving the hand winch
> down
> > on
> > > the tube and routing the line through a block at the top of the tube
> and
> > > then to the bow cleat?
> > > I?ll include a drawing to show what I have in mind and to see if you
> > fellow
> > > Rhodies think it would work.
> > >
> > > <
> >
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/F39F46B4-4A24-4A7C-9D05-15AD18B31F5D.png
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > George Morgan
> > > S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> > > Lake Waccamaw NC
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
> >
>

From h757850 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 11:58:00 2021
From: h757850 at gmail.com (LEH NY)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 11:58:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any boat owners located on Long Island?
Message-ID: <CAOiCToXEVZx6vjABcsBx9x_nD-3oHyNEmQg2DQwXY0pACdCW_g@mail.gmail.com>

We are looking to buy a small cruiser and the R22 is on our shortlist but
since we never saw or sailed one I am looking for someone who would be
willing to take us for a sail on his boat in the Long Island area. I guess
you can contact me directly via email.
Thank you.

Henri

From mike at traildesign.com  Thu Jun 10 12:23:29 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:23:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
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References: <1623274638195-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <B4480A9D-820E-4E2D-A1B4-407E5FB950D0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo-CgyT2E-TwKAX4WOngZ2QFdSEogoAu4oDBHWu00BRoCQ@mail.gmail.com>

I replaced both my bow light and anchor light last year. I too wanted to go
all LED. For the bow light I bought one made by Pactrade on amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Pactrade-Marine-Navigation-Waterproof-Nautical/dp/B00IA7PZFA/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=pactrade+bow+light&qid=1623340852&sr=8-11
It's pretty cheap at $17 but was direct replacement for the perko. So far
it's worked as advertised, but I've not subjected it to salt water and
don't expect it will last. Hella is my light of choice for the exterior,
but I'm not quite ready to spend $150+ for their LED bow light. Not until I
re-work the mount to get it just behind the pulpit railing. I bumped a dock
with the bow (still a newbie) and since the light is currently the most
forward thing on the boat it got cracked the first time, the second time I
hit the (same) dock finished it off. There's a story there, but I'm too
embarrassed to tell it. If that dock wins the next round, I won't mind
losing the cheap light.

The anchor light is a Hella, also from Amazon. At $75 it was expensive but
is completely waterproof and very well made. It looks good and is bright
enough to be seen for quite a distance.
https://www.amazon.com/HELLA-Marine-NaviLED-Compact-Navigation/dp/B00TUO1TBG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2LH8I7COQBEZ8&dchild=1&keywords=hella+anchor+light&qid=1623341022&sprefix=Hella+an%2Caps%2C178&sr=8-4



Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 8:06 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I replaced my bow light with this Perko light from defender.  When I
> replaced my mast light I saw that there were only two wires in the mast so
> I used a 2 pin connector in place of the 4 pin which needed replacement
> also.
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>
> > On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Mike McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi All,
> >
> > I need to replace my bow navigation light and possibly my masthead
> > anchor/steaming light.
> >
> > I contacted Stan and he said that the bow light is manufactured by
> Sea-Dog,
> > but I'm having a bit of trouble locating it except on their website.
> > Moreover, the Sea-Dog fixture is incandescent and I want LED of course.
> I
> > could buy it and replace the bulbs but have any of you found a good
> > substitute for the bow navigation light?
> >
> > I also asked Stan about replacing my masthead light fixture which doesn't
> > work and is very corroded.  If I do replace it, it should also be LED.
> > Stan's view is that we don't really need a masthead light anyway, so
> having
> > a masthead fixture is more trouble than it's worth.  Nonetheless, I like
> to
> > keep things working as they were originally designed, so I'd be
> interested
> > in your opinions.
> >
> > In regards to the masthead light, the electrical connection at the base
> of
> > my mast has 4 pins, but it is not keyed.  How do I determine the correct
> > orientation?
> >
> > Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Mike McKay
> > s/v Liber 2006/2018
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From jamcando126 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 12:28:08 2021
From: jamcando126 at gmail.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:28:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any boat owners located on Long Island?
In-Reply-To: <CAOiCToXEVZx6vjABcsBx9x_nD-3oHyNEmQg2DQwXY0pACdCW_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiCToXEVZx6vjABcsBx9x_nD-3oHyNEmQg2DQwXY0pACdCW_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANpTSj+aBAzXwUATN+23JdAasUe-41zmkXsfJ=TWOp3UmgHapQ@mail.gmail.com>

Where are u located? I live in Sneads Ferry NC

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 11:58 AM LEH NY <h757850 at gmail.com> wrote:

> We are looking to buy a small cruiser and the R22 is on our shortlist but
> since we never saw or sailed one I am looking for someone who would be
> willing to take us for a sail on his boat in the Long Island area. I guess
> you can contact me directly via email.
> Thank you.
>
> Henri
>

From jamcando126 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 12:29:27 2021
From: jamcando126 at gmail.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 12:29:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any boat owners located on Long Island?
In-Reply-To: <CANpTSj+aBAzXwUATN+23JdAasUe-41zmkXsfJ=TWOp3UmgHapQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiCToXEVZx6vjABcsBx9x_nD-3oHyNEmQg2DQwXY0pACdCW_g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANpTSj+aBAzXwUATN+23JdAasUe-41zmkXsfJ=TWOp3UmgHapQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANpTSj+gbbk=bMmwzDWJkQMaST5p2bnWG8iaXUpb8D6Zd1VfoA@mail.gmail.com>

I see u are in LI NY ?. I?m sure u might some pa little closer?

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 12:28 PM John McLaughlin <jamcando126 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Where are u located? I live in Sneads Ferry NC
>
> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 11:58 AM LEH NY <h757850 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> We are looking to buy a small cruiser and the R22 is on our shortlist but
>> since we never saw or sailed one I am looking for someone who would be
>> willing to take us for a sail on his boat in the Long Island area. I guess
>> you can contact me directly via email.
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Henri
>>
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 13:33:51 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 13:33:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does anyone use the interior jib leads while on
	a beat?
In-Reply-To: <1623325369147-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623325369147-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36ZeUYAyD0LJEgz9_hX7GZ09rUozcCLJZXVkohM11HL0CQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jeff,

Yes, I do, but my 175 has to be furled way down.  And yes, I switch to the
outer leads on a reach so I can use more sail.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 7:42 AM JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am running a 130% Genoa. The lead alongside the cabin top seems doable,
> but
> the very interior lead seems like overkill. When off the wind do you change
> the lead outboard or just leave it?
>
>
>
> -----
> Jeff Smith
> 2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT
> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 13:37:40 2021
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 13:37:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-CgyT2E-TwKAX4WOngZ2QFdSEogoAu4oDBHWu00BRoCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-CgyT2E-TwKAX4WOngZ2QFdSEogoAu4oDBHWu00BRoCQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <06A28ADE-DE84-43FF-8370-27F77776921E@gmail.com>

I?m hoping to replace both mast and running lights and wondering what size wire is recommended?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I replaced both my bow light and anchor light last year. I too wanted to go
> all LED. For the bow light I bought one made by Pactrade on amazon.
> https://www.amazon.com/Pactrade-Marine-Navigation-Waterproof-Nautical/dp/B00IA7PZFA/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=pactrade+bow+light&qid=1623340852&sr=8-11
> It's pretty cheap at $17 but was direct replacement for the perko. So far
> it's worked as advertised, but I've not subjected it to salt water and
> don't expect it will last. Hella is my light of choice for the exterior,
> but I'm not quite ready to spend $150+ for their LED bow light. Not until I
> re-work the mount to get it just behind the pulpit railing. I bumped a dock
> with the bow (still a newbie) and since the light is currently the most
> forward thing on the boat it got cracked the first time, the second time I
> hit the (same) dock finished it off. There's a story there, but I'm too
> embarrassed to tell it. If that dock wins the next round, I won't mind
> losing the cheap light.
> 
> The anchor light is a Hella, also from Amazon. At $75 it was expensive but
> is completely waterproof and very well made. It looks good and is bright
> enough to be seen for quite a distance.
> https://www.amazon.com/HELLA-Marine-NaviLED-Compact-Navigation/dp/B00TUO1TBG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2LH8I7COQBEZ8&dchild=1&keywords=hella+anchor+light&qid=1623341022&sprefix=Hella+an%2Caps%2C178&sr=8-4
> 
> 
> 
> Michael Riter
> SV Emma B
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 8:06 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I replaced my bow light with this Perko light from defender.  When I
>> replaced my mast light I saw that there were only two wires in the mast so
>> I used a 2 pin connector in place of the 4 pin which needed replacement
>> also.
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>> 
>>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Mike McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I need to replace my bow navigation light and possibly my masthead
>>> anchor/steaming light.
>>> 
>>> I contacted Stan and he said that the bow light is manufactured by
>> Sea-Dog,
>>> but I'm having a bit of trouble locating it except on their website.
>>> Moreover, the Sea-Dog fixture is incandescent and I want LED of course.
>> I
>>> could buy it and replace the bulbs but have any of you found a good
>>> substitute for the bow navigation light?
>>> 
>>> I also asked Stan about replacing my masthead light fixture which doesn't
>>> work and is very corroded.  If I do replace it, it should also be LED.
>>> Stan's view is that we don't really need a masthead light anyway, so
>> having
>>> a masthead fixture is more trouble than it's worth.  Nonetheless, I like
>> to
>>> keep things working as they were originally designed, so I'd be
>> interested
>>> in your opinions.
>>> 
>>> In regards to the masthead light, the electrical connection at the base
>> of
>>> my mast has 4 pins, but it is not keyed.  How do I determine the correct
>>> orientation?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your input.
>>> 
>>> Mike McKay
>>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 13:39:21 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 10:39:21 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Does anyone use the interior jib leads while on
	a beat?
In-Reply-To: <1623325369147-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623325369147-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1623346761171-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Jeff,

Short answer:  rarely.  If you pull your boom tight towards the center of
the boat you'll need to use the interior leads if you want the wind to hit
your Genoa at the same angle that it's hitting your mainsail.

If you check the archives for Test (Excel Spreadsheet) on 9-7-17 at 6:54,
you'll see a post from me about sailing into the wind.  Although accurate,
the results were extremely lucky.  The sailing conditions just happened to
match up with how I had the sails and everything else set.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  At Ease
Claytor Lake, VA



--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Jun 10 14:50:18 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 18:50:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
In-Reply-To: <06A28ADE-DE84-43FF-8370-27F77776921E@gmail.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-CgyT2E-TwKAX4WOngZ2QFdSEogoAu4oDBHWu00BRoCQ@mail.gmail.com>,
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Since LEDs use less current, any existing wiring will be sufficient size to carry the load.  If running replacement wiring, probably just use the same size as what you have. - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:37 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights

I?m hoping to replace both mast and running lights and wondering what size wire is recommended?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> ?I replaced both my bow light and anchor light last year. I too wanted to go
> all LED. For the bow light I bought one made by Pactrade on amazon.
> https://www.amazon.com/Pactrade-Marine-Navigation-Waterproof-Nautical/dp/B00IA7PZFA/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=pactrade+bow+light&qid=1623340852&sr=8-11
> It's pretty cheap at $17 but was direct replacement for the perko. So far
> it's worked as advertised, but I've not subjected it to salt water and
> don't expect it will last. Hella is my light of choice for the exterior,
> but I'm not quite ready to spend $150+ for their LED bow light. Not until I
> re-work the mount to get it just behind the pulpit railing. I bumped a dock
> with the bow (still a newbie) and since the light is currently the most
> forward thing on the boat it got cracked the first time, the second time I
> hit the (same) dock finished it off. There's a story there, but I'm too
> embarrassed to tell it. If that dock wins the next round, I won't mind
> losing the cheap light.
>
> The anchor light is a Hella, also from Amazon. At $75 it was expensive but
> is completely waterproof and very well made. It looks good and is bright
> enough to be seen for quite a distance.
> https://www.amazon.com/HELLA-Marine-NaviLED-Compact-Navigation/dp/B00TUO1TBG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2LH8I7COQBEZ8&dchild=1&keywords=hella+anchor+light&qid=1623341022&sprefix=Hella+an%2Caps%2C178&sr=8-4
>
>
>
> Michael Riter
> SV Emma B
>
>
>
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 8:06 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> I replaced my bow light with this Perko light from defender.  When I
>> replaced my mast light I saw that there were only two wires in the mast so
>> I used a 2 pin connector in place of the 4 pin which needed replacement
>> also.
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>>
>>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Mike McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Hi All,
>>>
>>> I need to replace my bow navigation light and possibly my masthead
>>> anchor/steaming light.
>>>
>>> I contacted Stan and he said that the bow light is manufactured by
>> Sea-Dog,
>>> but I'm having a bit of trouble locating it except on their website.
>>> Moreover, the Sea-Dog fixture is incandescent and I want LED of course.
>> I
>>> could buy it and replace the bulbs but have any of you found a good
>>> substitute for the bow navigation light?
>>>
>>> I also asked Stan about replacing my masthead light fixture which doesn't
>>> work and is very corroded.  If I do replace it, it should also be LED.
>>> Stan's view is that we don't really need a masthead light anyway, so
>> having
>>> a masthead fixture is more trouble than it's worth.  Nonetheless, I like
>> to
>>> keep things working as they were originally designed, so I'd be
>> interested
>>> in your opinions.
>>>
>>> In regards to the masthead light, the electrical connection at the base
>> of
>>> my mast has 4 pins, but it is not keyed.  How do I determine the correct
>>> orientation?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>
>>> Mike McKay
>>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 15:22:36 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:22:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
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References: <CAAY+qo-CgyT2E-TwKAX4WOngZ2QFdSEogoAu4oDBHWu00BRoCQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <06A28ADE-DE84-43FF-8370-27F77776921E@gmail.com>
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Mike, I swapped out my lights to LED. I used the marine tinned 16 gauge
wire. I referenced my "Sail Boat Maintenence  Manual" by Don Casey for
length  and load.
Cary
S /V Whisper '86

On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 2:50 PM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Since LEDs use less current, any existing wiring will be sufficient size
> to carry the load.  If running replacement wiring, probably just use the
> same size as what you have. - rob
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:37 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
>
> I?m hoping to replace both mast and running lights and wondering what size
> wire is recommended?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 10, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I replaced both my bow light and anchor light last year. I too wanted
> to go
> > all LED. For the bow light I bought one made by Pactrade on amazon.
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Pactrade-Marine-Navigation-Waterproof-Nautical/dp/B00IA7PZFA/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=pactrade+bow+light&qid=1623340852&sr=8-11
> > It's pretty cheap at $17 but was direct replacement for the perko. So far
> > it's worked as advertised, but I've not subjected it to salt water and
> > don't expect it will last. Hella is my light of choice for the exterior,
> > but I'm not quite ready to spend $150+ for their LED bow light. Not
> until I
> > re-work the mount to get it just behind the pulpit railing. I bumped a
> dock
> > with the bow (still a newbie) and since the light is currently the most
> > forward thing on the boat it got cracked the first time, the second time
> I
> > hit the (same) dock finished it off. There's a story there, but I'm too
> > embarrassed to tell it. If that dock wins the next round, I won't mind
> > losing the cheap light.
> >
> > The anchor light is a Hella, also from Amazon. At $75 it was expensive
> but
> > is completely waterproof and very well made. It looks good and is bright
> > enough to be seen for quite a distance.
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/HELLA-Marine-NaviLED-Compact-Navigation/dp/B00TUO1TBG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2LH8I7COQBEZ8&dchild=1&keywords=hella+anchor+light&qid=1623341022&sprefix=Hella+an%2Caps%2C178&sr=8-4
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael Riter
> > SV Emma B
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 8:06 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I replaced my bow light with this Perko light from defender.  When I
> >> replaced my mast light I saw that there were only two wires in the mast
> so
> >> I used a 2 pin connector in place of the 4 pin which needed replacement
> >> also.
> >> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210610/1bc93ba5/attachment.png
> >>>
> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Mike McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Hi All,
> >>>
> >>> I need to replace my bow navigation light and possibly my masthead
> >>> anchor/steaming light.
> >>>
> >>> I contacted Stan and he said that the bow light is manufactured by
> >> Sea-Dog,
> >>> but I'm having a bit of trouble locating it except on their website.
> >>> Moreover, the Sea-Dog fixture is incandescent and I want LED of course.
> >> I
> >>> could buy it and replace the bulbs but have any of you found a good
> >>> substitute for the bow navigation light?
> >>>
> >>> I also asked Stan about replacing my masthead light fixture which
> doesn't
> >>> work and is very corroded.  If I do replace it, it should also be LED.
> >>> Stan's view is that we don't really need a masthead light anyway, so
> >> having
> >>> a masthead fixture is more trouble than it's worth.  Nonetheless, I
> like
> >> to
> >>> keep things working as they were originally designed, so I'd be
> >> interested
> >>> in your opinions.
> >>>
> >>> In regards to the masthead light, the electrical connection at the base
> >> of
> >>> my mast has 4 pins, but it is not keyed.  How do I determine the
> correct
> >>> orientation?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your input.
> >>>
> >>> Mike McKay
> >>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >>
>

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 16:33:04 2021
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 16:33:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRrpLt9nYO4OWT6EDedmS8qoA5fyQ-E1SriUcarYrG0Pvg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRrpLt9nYO4OWT6EDedmS8qoA5fyQ-E1SriUcarYrG0Pvg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C77990A2-A492-4B6D-A5AB-4C5227796C61@gmail.com>

Sounds good! Thanks. I also ordered the book.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2021, at 3:22 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike, I swapped out my lights to LED. I used the marine tinned 16 gauge
> wire. I referenced my "Sail Boat Maintenence  Manual" by Don Casey for
> length  and load.
> Cary
> S /V Whisper '86
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021, 2:50 PM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Since LEDs use less current, any existing wiring will be sufficient size
>> to carry the load.  If running replacement wiring, probably just use the
>> same size as what you have. - rob
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:37 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Navigation Lights
>> 
>> I?m hoping to replace both mast and running lights and wondering what size
>> wire is recommended?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 10, 2021, at 12:24 PM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I replaced both my bow light and anchor light last year. I too wanted
>> to go
>>> all LED. For the bow light I bought one made by Pactrade on amazon.
>>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Pactrade-Marine-Navigation-Waterproof-Nautical/dp/B00IA7PZFA/ref=sr_1_11?dchild=1&keywords=pactrade+bow+light&qid=1623340852&sr=8-11
>>> It's pretty cheap at $17 but was direct replacement for the perko. So far
>>> it's worked as advertised, but I've not subjected it to salt water and
>>> don't expect it will last. Hella is my light of choice for the exterior,
>>> but I'm not quite ready to spend $150+ for their LED bow light. Not
>> until I
>>> re-work the mount to get it just behind the pulpit railing. I bumped a
>> dock
>>> with the bow (still a newbie) and since the light is currently the most
>>> forward thing on the boat it got cracked the first time, the second time
>> I
>>> hit the (same) dock finished it off. There's a story there, but I'm too
>>> embarrassed to tell it. If that dock wins the next round, I won't mind
>>> losing the cheap light.
>>> 
>>> The anchor light is a Hella, also from Amazon. At $75 it was expensive
>> but
>>> is completely waterproof and very well made. It looks good and is bright
>>> enough to be seen for quite a distance.
>>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/HELLA-Marine-NaviLED-Compact-Navigation/dp/B00TUO1TBG/ref=sr_1_4?crid=2LH8I7COQBEZ8&dchild=1&keywords=hella+anchor+light&qid=1623341022&sprefix=Hella+an%2Caps%2C178&sr=8-4
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Michael Riter
>>> SV Emma B
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 8:06 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I replaced my bow light with this Perko light from defender.  When I
>>>> replaced my mast light I saw that there were only two wires in the mast
>> so
>>>> I used a 2 pin connector in place of the 4 pin which needed replacement
>>>> also.
>>>> -------------- next part --------------
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>>>> 
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210610/1bc93ba5/attachment.png
>>>>> 
>>>> -------------- next part --------------
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 9, 2021, at 5:37 PM, Mike McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I need to replace my bow navigation light and possibly my masthead
>>>>> anchor/steaming light.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I contacted Stan and he said that the bow light is manufactured by
>>>> Sea-Dog,
>>>>> but I'm having a bit of trouble locating it except on their website.
>>>>> Moreover, the Sea-Dog fixture is incandescent and I want LED of course.
>>>> I
>>>>> could buy it and replace the bulbs but have any of you found a good
>>>>> substitute for the bow navigation light?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I also asked Stan about replacing my masthead light fixture which
>> doesn't
>>>>> work and is very corroded.  If I do replace it, it should also be LED.
>>>>> Stan's view is that we don't really need a masthead light anyway, so
>>>> having
>>>>> a masthead fixture is more trouble than it's worth.  Nonetheless, I
>> like
>>>> to
>>>>> keep things working as they were originally designed, so I'd be
>>>> interested
>>>>> in your opinions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In regards to the masthead light, the electrical connection at the base
>>>> of
>>>>> my mast has 4 pins, but it is not keyed.  How do I determine the
>> correct
>>>>> orientation?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for your input.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike McKay
>>>>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>>>> 
>> 

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Thu Jun 10 17:01:15 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 16:01:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6DT_tqdW_+u+EH6d3WiBLOuKtZRWyqDigrAnckZMK0pw@mail.gmail.com>

What do you do?
It's kinda in the way underway.

  IMG_20200730_173052751.jpg
<https://drive.google.com/file/d/15-UxBeaEBGoPOqEY7uRlS8FxznOsPYTc/view?usp=drivesdk>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 17:30:12 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:30:12 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY6DT_tqdW_+u+EH6d3WiBLOuKtZRWyqDigrAnckZMK0pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY6DT_tqdW_+u+EH6d3WiBLOuKtZRWyqDigrAnckZMK0pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1623360612726-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I slide it under the starboard bench seat forward. There are no bins in that
area - yet. 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

--
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 17:35:00 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:35:00 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any boat owners located on Long Island?
In-Reply-To: <CAOiCToXEVZx6vjABcsBx9x_nD-3oHyNEmQg2DQwXY0pACdCW_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiCToXEVZx6vjABcsBx9x_nD-3oHyNEmQg2DQwXY0pACdCW_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1623360900580-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Radiant iis located a 35 minute Seastreak Ferry ride ftom Pier 11 in
Manhattan. My wife Emily and I would be glad to give you a sail. 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Jun 10 17:40:32 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:40:32 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
Message-ID: <E1lrSPg-0073Qn-KS@s152.servername.online>

Tom,

Mine fits nicely next to my head, just aft of my v-berth. But I have the semi-enclosed head, and I see from your picture that you have the fully enclosed head, so what works for me might not work for you.

BTW, it would be better for the community if you would send pictures as attachments rather than including links to photos on google drive.  With attachments, a copy of the picture ends up on our server, so we can be sure that it will still be available even many years in the future.

--Peter

> On 2021-06-10, at 17:01:15 EDT, Tom Van Heule wrote:
>
> What do you do?
> It's kinda in the way underway.
> 
>   IMG_20200730_173052751.jpg
> &lt;<a 
> href="https://drive.google.com/file/d/15-UxBeaEBGoPOqEY7uRlS8FxznOsPYTc/view?usp=drivesdk">https://drive.google.com/file/d/15-UxBeaEBGoPOqEY7uRlS8FxznOsPYTc/view?usp=drivesdk</a>&gt; 
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Jun 10 17:54:31 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:54:31 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
Message-ID: <E1lrSdD-007AGl-8Q@s152.servername.online>

Three minutes later, it occurred to me that I should follow my own advice and send Tom's picture to the list as an attachment.  

This is also another test of sending attachments using the still-under-development enhanced rhodes22.org website...

--Peter
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Jun 10 17:54:48 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 14:54:48 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
Message-ID: <E1lrSdU-007AQf-T7@s152.servername.online>

Three minutes later, it occurred to me that I should follow my own advice and send Tom's picture to the list as an attachment.  

This is also another test of sending attachments using the still-under-development enhanced rhodes22.org website...

--Peter
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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 18:11:31 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 15:11:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY6DT_tqdW_+u+EH6d3WiBLOuKtZRWyqDigrAnckZMK0pw@mail.gmail.com>
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I don?t have a built-in ice box, but have an empty space there for a portable
ice chest. I have space to slide my companionway folding door in under the
counter and against bulkhead between the cabin and the cockpit. 
It?s fits great, takes up very little room and is totally out of the way. 




-----
George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986
Lake Waccamaw NC
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Thu Jun 10 18:16:46 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 17:16:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY6DT_tqdW_+u+EH6d3WiBLOuKtZRWyqDigrAnckZMK0pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY6DT_tqdW_+u+EH6d3WiBLOuKtZRWyqDigrAnckZMK0pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fo5Q3o2NR_MdTEnRELdmR0R-thsGAt1uObLxA6SuhaFxw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Tom,

I had the same experience so I made some updates over the winter so I can
easily stow mine on the front side of the starboard bulkhead next to the
head.  I attached an updated photo.  There's more on this and some of the
other storage around this area on pages 25 - 27 at the following link:
http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Zephyr%20Projects%20&%20Boat%20Tour.pdf

In terms of ease of modification and helpfulness of the project, I'm happy
with how this turned out.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr



On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:01 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> What do you do?
> It's kinda in the way underway.
>
>   IMG_20200730_173052751.jpg
> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15-UxBeaEBGoPOqEY7uRlS8FxznOsPYTc/view?usp=drivesdk
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Thu Jun 10 21:45:32 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2021 21:45:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
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Message-ID: <006601d75e63$78627290$692757b0$@ca>

I used to put the companionway doors up behind the cockpit seat coaming where they were held in place with the storage bins under the seats. This puts them completely out of the way but it is a bit of a paint to put them away and get them out again. Some years ago I installed a small hanging locker on the starboard side immediately behind the companionway. This location is very convenient but requires a ebuild of the entire galley.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:17 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?

Hi Tom,

I had the same experience so I made some updates over the winter so I can
easily stow mine on the front side of the starboard bulkhead next to the
head.  I attached an updated photo.  There's more on this and some of the
other storage around this area on pages 25 - 27 at the following link:
http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Zephyr%20Projects%20&%20Boat%20Tour.pdf

In terms of ease of modification and helpfulness of the project, I'm happy
with how this turned out.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr



On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:01 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> What do you do?
> It's kinda in the way underway.
>
>   IMG_20200730_173052751.jpg
> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15-UxBeaEBGoPOqEY7uRlS8FxznOsPYTc/view?usp=drivesdk
> >
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jun 11 08:33:33 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:33:33 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from my heart catheterization procedure
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB692050DBDCA3BFB4BAB2C05880349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920998338FE5A05486223E580349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <CH2PR02MB692050DBDCA3BFB4BAB2C05880349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69208047EBD66AE7A77E275980349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

I had my heart cath procedure yesterday.  They eliminated a number of things:


  1.  The pressure mapping inside my heart chambers indicated I do not have significant leakage due to a congenital defect like a hole between chambers or valve leakage.
  2.  They could find no sign of infection or any sort of tumors inside my heart.
  3.  There is no obstruction to blood flow in my pulmonary arteries, say due to a sharp bend or kink.
  4.  My fraction ejected went from ~35% before Tikosyn to ~55% after.  55% is within the normal range.  So, the Tikosyn appears to be working.
  5.  I do not have significant plaque build-up in my coronary or pulmonary arteries.  So, I will not need a coronary bypass or a stint.


While this is all good news, the question remains, what the heck is wrong with me?  Why do I have all the swelling, poor aerobic stamina, the A-Fib, and tire so easily?  The short answer is, they don?t know for sure.  I have an appointment at the Heart Failure Clinic, Midland Hospital next week, Thursday.  They have been talking about scheduling me for a sleep study to determine if I have sleep apnea; but, that hasn?t been scheduled yet.  Frankly, I?m a little skeptical that sleep apnea could be causing all this; but, I can always be persuaded by data.


Other than that, I have a normal list of post surgical issues.  I have stitches in my groin that prevent me from driving for 2 days, I can?t do anything strenuous or even lift more than 10 lbs for 5 days, I can?t immerse the stitches in water for 10 days, and I have to watch for complications like infection or a hematoma at the incision site.  I had the usual post surgical anesthesia ?hangover? and I slept yesterday afternoon and evening.  I feel somewhat better this morning, although my stitches hurt when I walk or bend over.  Sitting on the toilet is somewhat painful.


Other than that, things is dull; but, life is good!  Thanks for all the good wishes and prayers.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 08:50:09 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 07:50:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from my heart catheterization procedure
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69208047EBD66AE7A77E275980349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920998338FE5A05486223E580349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB692050DBDCA3BFB4BAB2C05880349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69208047EBD66AE7A77E275980349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3foLFoj6AnXUjkR+Ou6e_M11931r+3OwP0kNm2k1kdk2Bg@mail.gmail.com>

Roger,  it's good to hear they didn't find any major issues.  On the other
hand that must be frustrating since you don't yet have an explanation for
the symptoms.  Hope you learn some more with the upcoming sleep study.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 7:33 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I had my heart cath procedure yesterday.  They eliminated a number of
> things:
>
>
>   1.  The pressure mapping inside my heart chambers indicated I do not
> have significant leakage due to a congenital defect like a hole between
> chambers or valve leakage.
>   2.  They could find no sign of infection or any sort of tumors inside my
> heart.
>   3.  There is no obstruction to blood flow in my pulmonary arteries, say
> due to a sharp bend or kink.
>   4.  My fraction ejected went from ~35% before Tikosyn to ~55% after.
> 55% is within the normal range.  So, the Tikosyn appears to be working.
>   5.  I do not have significant plaque build-up in my coronary or
> pulmonary arteries.  So, I will not need a coronary bypass or a stint.
>
>
> While this is all good news, the question remains, what the heck is wrong
> with me?  Why do I have all the swelling, poor aerobic stamina, the A-Fib,
> and tire so easily?  The short answer is, they don?t know for sure.  I have
> an appointment at the Heart Failure Clinic, Midland Hospital next week,
> Thursday.  They have been talking about scheduling me for a sleep study to
> determine if I have sleep apnea; but, that hasn?t been scheduled yet.
> Frankly, I?m a little skeptical that sleep apnea could be causing all this;
> but, I can always be persuaded by data.
>
>
> Other than that, I have a normal list of post surgical issues.  I have
> stitches in my groin that prevent me from driving for 2 days, I can?t do
> anything strenuous or even lift more than 10 lbs for 5 days, I can?t
> immerse the stitches in water for 10 days, and I have to watch for
> complications like infection or a hematoma at the incision site.  I had the
> usual post surgical anesthesia ?hangover? and I slept yesterday afternoon
> and evening.  I feel somewhat better this morning, although my stitches
> hurt when I walk or bend over.  Sitting on the toilet is somewhat painful.
>
>
> Other than that, things is dull; but, life is good!  Thanks for all the
> good wishes and prayers.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 08:57:44 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 08:57:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from my heart catheterization procedure
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69208047EBD66AE7A77E275980349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920998338FE5A05486223E580349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB692050DBDCA3BFB4BAB2C05880349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69208047EBD66AE7A77E275980349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMNbQHdrLsuSOJ7+94zrevHXCSNWD5qE4gVEhe4sAhyKyA@mail.gmail.com>

Roger,

Most of that is good news! I hope they can figure out the remaining issues.

I will say this; whether or not sleep apnea is causing any of your
remaining heart problems, get the sleep study, and if prescribed, use the
CPAP or other devices. If you have sleep apnea, an assistive device will
make a big improvement in your energy and stamina levels and lessen the
daytime fatigue.

Todd T.

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 8:33 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I had my heart cath procedure yesterday.  They eliminated a number of
> things:
>
>
>   1.  The pressure mapping inside my heart chambers indicated I do not
> have significant leakage due to a congenital defect like a hole between
> chambers or valve leakage.
>   2.  They could find no sign of infection or any sort of tumors inside my
> heart.
>   3.  There is no obstruction to blood flow in my pulmonary arteries, say
> due to a sharp bend or kink.
>   4.  My fraction ejected went from ~35% before Tikosyn to ~55% after.
> 55% is within the normal range.  So, the Tikosyn appears to be working.
>   5.  I do not have significant plaque build-up in my coronary or
> pulmonary arteries.  So, I will not need a coronary bypass or a stint.
>
>
> While this is all good news, the question remains, what the heck is wrong
> with me?  Why do I have all the swelling, poor aerobic stamina, the A-Fib,
> and tire so easily?  The short answer is, they don?t know for sure.  I have
> an appointment at the Heart Failure Clinic, Midland Hospital next week,
> Thursday.  They have been talking about scheduling me for a sleep study to
> determine if I have sleep apnea; but, that hasn?t been scheduled yet.
> Frankly, I?m a little skeptical that sleep apnea could be causing all this;
> but, I can always be persuaded by data.
>
>
> Other than that, I have a normal list of post surgical issues.  I have
> stitches in my groin that prevent me from driving for 2 days, I can?t do
> anything strenuous or even lift more than 10 lbs for 5 days, I can?t
> immerse the stitches in water for 10 days, and I have to watch for
> complications like infection or a hematoma at the incision site.  I had the
> usual post surgical anesthesia ?hangover? and I slept yesterday afternoon
> and evening.  I feel somewhat better this morning, although my stitches
> hurt when I walk or bend over.  Sitting on the toilet is somewhat painful.
>
>
> Other than that, things is dull; but, life is good!  Thanks for all the
> good wishes and prayers.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Fri Jun 11 09:13:44 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 13:13:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
In-Reply-To: <006601d75e63$78627290$692757b0$@ca>
References: <CAEqJHY6DT_tqdW_+u+EH6d3WiBLOuKtZRWyqDigrAnckZMK0pw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc-3fo5Q3o2NR_MdTEnRELdmR0R-thsGAt1uObLxA6SuhaFxw@mail.gmail.com>
 <006601d75e63$78627290$692757b0$@ca>
Message-ID: <1401504642.2976326.1623417224327@mail.yahoo.com>

I put ours between ice box and bulk head under the counter? ? ?Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 9:45 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?

I used to put the companionway doors up behind the cockpit seat coaming where they were held in place with the storage bins under the seats. This puts them completely out of the way but it is a bit of a paint to put them away and get them out again. Some years ago I installed a small hanging locker on the starboard side immediately behind the companionway. This location is very convenient but requires a ebuild of the entire galley.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:17 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?

Hi Tom,

I had the same experience so I made some updates over the winter so I can
easily stow mine on the front side of the starboard bulkhead next to the
head.? I attached an updated photo.? There's more on this and some of the
other storage around this area on pages 25 - 27 at the following link:
http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Zephyr%20Projects%20&%20Boat%20Tour.pdf

In terms of ease of modification and helpfulness of the project, I'm happy
with how this turned out.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr



On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:01 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> What do you do?
> It's kinda in the way underway.
>
>? IMG_20200730_173052751.jpg
> <
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15-UxBeaEBGoPOqEY7uRlS8FxznOsPYTc/view?usp=drivesdk
> >
>
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Jun 11 09:50:54 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 13:50:54 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from my heart catheterization procedure
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69208047EBD66AE7A77E275980349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920998338FE5A05486223E580349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <CH2PR02MB692050DBDCA3BFB4BAB2C05880349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>,
 <CH2PR02MB69208047EBD66AE7A77E275980349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB69858BA74C51ED71486BA4BCC1349@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Roger,
Good to hear of all the things that are not wrong with you at least.  That's a good start.  Now, on to the next procedure. - Rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 8:33 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from my heart catheterization procedure

Hi All,

I had my heart cath procedure yesterday.  They eliminated a number of things:


  1.  The pressure mapping inside my heart chambers indicated I do not have significant leakage due to a congenital defect like a hole between chambers or valve leakage.
  2.  They could find no sign of infection or any sort of tumors inside my heart.
  3.  There is no obstruction to blood flow in my pulmonary arteries, say due to a sharp bend or kink.
  4.  My fraction ejected went from ~35% before Tikosyn to ~55% after.  55% is within the normal range.  So, the Tikosyn appears to be working.
  5.  I do not have significant plaque build-up in my coronary or pulmonary arteries.  So, I will not need a coronary bypass or a stint.


While this is all good news, the question remains, what the heck is wrong with me?  Why do I have all the swelling, poor aerobic stamina, the A-Fib, and tire so easily?  The short answer is, they don?t know for sure.  I have an appointment at the Heart Failure Clinic, Midland Hospital next week, Thursday.  They have been talking about scheduling me for a sleep study to determine if I have sleep apnea; but, that hasn?t been scheduled yet.  Frankly, I?m a little skeptical that sleep apnea could be causing all this; but, I can always be persuaded by data.


Other than that, I have a normal list of post surgical issues.  I have stitches in my groin that prevent me from driving for 2 days, I can?t do anything strenuous or even lift more than 10 lbs for 5 days, I can?t immerse the stitches in water for 10 days, and I have to watch for complications like infection or a hematoma at the incision site.  I had the usual post surgical anesthesia ?hangover? and I slept yesterday afternoon and evening.  I feel somewhat better this morning, although my stitches hurt when I walk or bend over.  Sitting on the toilet is somewhat painful.


Other than that, things is dull; but, life is good!  Thanks for all the good wishes and prayers.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jun 11 09:58:24 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 06:58:24 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
Message-ID: <E1lrhg0-000Mk4-VK@s152.servername.online>

Testing the new message sending code.

--Peter

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 10:22:45 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 10:22:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
In-Reply-To: <E1lrhg0-000Mk4-VK@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lrhg0-000Mk4-VK@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <65718CF8-CE62-46CF-AC9D-DC3B166F34EB@gmail.com>

Received.

Frank

> On Jun 11, 2021, at 9:58 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> Testing the new message sending code.
> 
> --Peter


From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 10:50:57 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 10:50:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Outboard Insurance
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDEzkb4ipaD9WQY3KzVh6mKCkx1PgQKaWNO5Sdu-oKsWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1622843559611-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAPi3tBDEzkb4ipaD9WQY3KzVh6mKCkx1PgQKaWNO5Sdu-oKsWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B9108C3-E6F1-4B71-951A-0AD862876C2D@gmail.com>

I use USAA for all my insurance except the Rhodes; for that, I went with BoatUS/GEICO.  The policy says only that it covers the ?hull and equipment,? without mentioning the outboard specifically, but ?equipment? is defined very broadly in the policy.  

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC

> On Jun 5, 2021, at 4:31 PM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I switched from USAA/Progressive to BoatUS/Geico. Way cheaper. Easy to deal
> with towboaUS.
> My insurance covers my outboard Honda 8 hp
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> Kent island MD
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:52 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> My insurance company is USAA but they contract out to Progressive for
>> boats.
>> Progressive told me they can't insure outboards for sailboats.  My outboard
>> is inexpensive so it's probably okay, but because it's so small someone
>> could easily steal it or I could drop it in the drink, again.
>> 
>> Do any of you all insure your outboards?
>> 
>> Lee
>> 1999 Rhodes22
>> Claytor Lake, VA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 


From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 12:56:37 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 12:56:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water Fill
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRpYNEbLX7y88pp38wCziDAhAJ_6GTrzi4WY3kOrr1mrEA@mail.gmail.com>

There is a water fill cap on the starboard  forward part of the deck. There
is a slender shallow slot to loosen and tighten this flat surface cap. What
is the best tool to use. Surely someone has solved this problem.
Thanks!

Cary
S/V Whisper '86

From tvpolise at aol.com  Fri Jun 11 13:40:51 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 13:40:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
In-Reply-To: <1401504642.2976326.1623417224327@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1401504642.2976326.1623417224327@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EA0B3D5A-3F3F-4296-AC56-E237351C4656@aol.com>

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> On Jun 11, 2021, at 9:13 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?I put ours between ice box and bulk head under the counter     Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thu, Jun 10, 2021 9:45 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
> 
> I used to put the companionway doors up behind the cockpit seat coaming where they were held in place with the storage bins under the seats. This puts them completely out of the way but it is a bit of a paint to put them away and get them out again. Some years ago I installed a small hanging locker on the starboard side immediately behind the companionway. This location is very convenient but requires a ebuild of the entire galley.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2021 6:17 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Companionway door storage?
> 
> Hi Tom,
> 
> I had the same experience so I made some updates over the winter so I can
> easily stow mine on the front side of the starboard bulkhead next to the
> head.  I attached an updated photo.  There's more on this and some of the
> other storage around this area on pages 25 - 27 at the following link:
> http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Zephyr%20Projects%20&%20Boat%20Tour.pdf
> 
> In terms of ease of modification and helpfulness of the project, I'm happy
> with how this turned out.
> 
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 10, 2021 at 4:01 PM Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>> 
>> What do you do?
>> It's kinda in the way underway.
>> 
>>   IMG_20200730_173052751.jpg
>> <
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/15-UxBeaEBGoPOqEY7uRlS8FxznOsPYTc/view?usp=drivesdk
>>> 
>> 
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 14:21:18 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 14:21:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water Fill
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRpYNEbLX7y88pp38wCziDAhAJ_6GTrzi4WY3kOrr1mrEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRpYNEbLX7y88pp38wCziDAhAJ_6GTrzi4WY3kOrr1mrEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36bcY9Yo_3_aJF_=MLsP10BRg_LK13ePMrBaLXbw2e=z2g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cary,

It is called a fill cap key at any marine supply house.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:56 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a water fill cap on the starboard  forward part of the deck. There
> is a slender shallow slot to loosen and tighten this flat surface cap. What
> is the best tool to use. Surely someone has solved this problem.
> Thanks!
>
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
>

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 14:45:53 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 14:45:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water Fill
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36bcY9Yo_3_aJF_=MLsP10BRg_LK13ePMrBaLXbw2e=z2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRpYNEbLX7y88pp38wCziDAhAJ_6GTrzi4WY3kOrr1mrEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABkv36bcY9Yo_3_aJF_=MLsP10BRg_LK13ePMrBaLXbw2e=z2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRobh6xQzsCdPaQzGM5vDP=Y1ZVdv4yi3HTqPWYp2Fhi7g@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Rick. I knew there had bo be a special tool.

Cary

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 2:21 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Cary,
>
> It is called a fill cap key at any marine supply house.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:56 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > There is a water fill cap on the starboard  forward part of the deck.
> There
> > is a slender shallow slot to loosen and tighten this flat surface cap.
> What
> > is the best tool to use. Surely someone has solved this problem.
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Cary
> > S/V Whisper '86
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 15:21:12 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 15:21:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water Fill
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRobh6xQzsCdPaQzGM5vDP=Y1ZVdv4yi3HTqPWYp2Fhi7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRpYNEbLX7y88pp38wCziDAhAJ_6GTrzi4WY3kOrr1mrEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CABkv36bcY9Yo_3_aJF_=MLsP10BRg_LK13ePMrBaLXbw2e=z2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRobh6xQzsCdPaQzGM5vDP=Y1ZVdv4yi3HTqPWYp2Fhi7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMP6D7XyM=GOcpuQ_q25NwFHQJ7fVgYh86eS836X3YUaGQ@mail.gmail.com>

Cary, I've always seen them called deck keys.

Todd T

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 2:46 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Rick. I knew there had bo be a special tool.
>
> Cary
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 2:21 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Cary,
> >
> > It is called a fill cap key at any marine supply house.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:56 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > There is a water fill cap on the starboard  forward part of the deck.
> > There
> > > is a slender shallow slot to loosen and tighten this flat surface cap.
> > What
> > > is the best tool to use. Surely someone has solved this problem.
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > > Cary
> > > S/V Whisper '86
> > >
> >
>

From cknell at vt.edu  Fri Jun 11 16:46:04 2021
From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 13:46:04 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from my heart catheterization procedure
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMNbQHdrLsuSOJ7+94zrevHXCSNWD5qE4gVEhe4sAhyKyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB69208047EBD66AE7A77E275980349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAB-twMNbQHdrLsuSOJ7+94zrevHXCSNWD5qE4gVEhe4sAhyKyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1623444364485-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Roger,

I second what Todd wrote. My brother-in-law was suffering from similar
fatigue for years. After many tests turned up no significant problems, he
eventually spent a night in a sleep lab and was diagnosed with sleep apnea.
He now sleeps with a CPAP device and has regained his old vigor. He is in
his mid 60s.

Chris



-----
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From rob.o.baldi at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 18:44:26 2021
From: rob.o.baldi at gmail.com (Robert Baldi)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 18:44:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
Message-ID: <CACJaSP+VOE+Q=gW_MSoDS8G+=O3sanqts76H1xxb7vGe_c7VqA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello gang. I have a Rhodes I sail on Long Beach Island. I have not posted
on the list for years. I had my boat redone after Hurricane Sandy. General
Boats added a motor lift. Last weekend it stopped working. There may be a
problem with the rocker switch or maybe it?s the motor. Can anyone tell me
who manufactured the motor, where I can get replacement parts and is there
a design description printed somewhere to guide me on how to service it or
repair it?
I have no idea how to get it repaired or what is wrong with it. To me,
motors on sailboats are great. They are a great asset unless you need them.
My outboard motors have always worked perfectly in calm weather when they
were not critical. I have sailed back into my slip on a number of occasions
swearing at technology.
Your advice would be greatly appreciated.I probably should not have agreed
to add the motor lift knowing this day would come.
rob
Years ago I posted as moses2you.......(for anyone who has been on the list
for more than 15 years)
-- 
rob

From my IPad
Robert O. Baldi

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jun 11 19:09:44 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 19:09:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
In-Reply-To: <CACJaSP+VOE+Q=gW_MSoDS8G+=O3sanqts76H1xxb7vGe_c7VqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACJaSP+VOE+Q=gW_MSoDS8G+=O3sanqts76H1xxb7vGe_c7VqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005f01d75f16$de65ed20$9b31c760$@ebsmed.com>

Rob,

Troubleshooting the electric motor lift may not be a simple task. 

Several Rhodies have fixed or replaced their winches and/or components.

I suggest that you start by taking a look at the archives, particularly the following threads:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-September/083504.html
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-November/083767.html
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-January/086910.html

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Robert Baldi
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:44 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift

Hello gang. I have a Rhodes I sail on Long Beach Island. I have not posted on the list for years. I had my boat redone after Hurricane Sandy. General Boats added a motor lift. Last weekend it stopped working. There may be a problem with the rocker switch or maybe it?s the motor. Can anyone tell me who manufactured the motor, where I can get replacement parts and is there a design description printed somewhere to guide me on how to service it or repair it?
I have no idea how to get it repaired or what is wrong with it. To me, motors on sailboats are great. They are a great asset unless you need them.
My outboard motors have always worked perfectly in calm weather when they were not critical. I have sailed back into my slip on a number of occasions swearing at technology.
Your advice would be greatly appreciated.I probably should not have agreed to add the motor lift knowing this day would come.
rob
Years ago I posted as moses2you.......(for anyone who has been on the list for more than 15 years)
--
rob

>From my IPad
Robert O. Baldi


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jun 11 19:27:21 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 23:27:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
In-Reply-To: <005f01d75f16$de65ed20$9b31c760$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CACJaSP+VOE+Q=gW_MSoDS8G+=O3sanqts76H1xxb7vGe_c7VqA@mail.gmail.com>,
 <005f01d75f16$de65ed20$9b31c760$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB692011EA9FBE113779A4C9B580349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Michael,

Before you condemn the motor, make certain the fuse is not blown or the breaker not tripped.  Then, try hot wiring across the rocker switch.  If that doesn?t work, make sure you?re getting 12 VDC to the switch.  Only if all that doesn?t work, should you suspect the the motor.  You may be able to get it rebuilt locally.  Look in the yellow pages under ?electric motor repair ?.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Rob,
> 
> Troubleshooting the electric motor lift may not be a simple task. 
> 
> Several Rhodies have fixed or replaced their winches and/or components.
> 
> I suggest that you start by taking a look at the archives, particularly the following threads:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-September/083504.html
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-November/083767.html
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-January/086910.html
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Robert Baldi
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:44 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
> 
> Hello gang. I have a Rhodes I sail on Long Beach Island. I have not posted on the list for years. I had my boat redone after Hurricane Sandy. General Boats added a motor lift. Last weekend it stopped working. There may be a problem with the rocker switch or maybe it?s the motor. Can anyone tell me who manufactured the motor, where I can get replacement parts and is there a design description printed somewhere to guide me on how to service it or repair it?
> I have no idea how to get it repaired or what is wrong with it. To me, motors on sailboats are great. They are a great asset unless you need them.
> My outboard motors have always worked perfectly in calm weather when they were not critical. I have sailed back into my slip on a number of occasions swearing at technology.
> Your advice would be greatly appreciated.I probably should not have agreed to add the motor lift knowing this day would come.
> rob
> Years ago I posted as moses2you.......(for anyone who has been on the list for more than 15 years)
> --
> rob
> 
> From my IPad
> Robert O. Baldi
> 

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Jun 11 19:50:17 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 19:50:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB692011EA9FBE113779A4C9B580349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CACJaSP+VOE+Q=gW_MSoDS8G+=O3sanqts76H1xxb7vGe_c7VqA@mail.gmail.com>,
 <005f01d75f16$de65ed20$9b31c760$@ebsmed.com>
 <CH2PR02MB692011EA9FBE113779A4C9B580349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <006e01d75f1c$888c5460$99a4fd20$@ebsmed.com>

Roger,

I said "troubleshooting ... may not be a simple task." I didn't condemn the motor. The articles all review the steps taken to run the winch, including wiring images (diagrams).

A word to the wise: the rocker switch is a DPDT center-off configured as a "reversing switch". Simply jumping the terminals without regard to the wiring can cause a short circuit which will hopefully just blow the fuse at the panel or battery, assuming that Stan installed such protection.

As discussed in the cited archive links, the replacement motor is not very expensive. I would be surprised if an electric motor rebuilder would be able to cost effectively repair the motor if the problem is the motor.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 7:27 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift

Michael,

Before you condemn the motor, make certain the fuse is not blown or the breaker not tripped.  Then, try hot wiring across the rocker switch.  If that doesn?t work, make sure you?re getting 12 VDC to the switch.  Only if all that doesn?t work, should you suspect the the motor.  You may be able to get it rebuilt locally.  Look in the yellow pages under ?electric motor repair ?.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2021, at 7:09 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Rob,
> 
> Troubleshooting the electric motor lift may not be a simple task. 
> 
> Several Rhodies have fixed or replaced their winches and/or components.
> 
> I suggest that you start by taking a look at the archives, particularly the following threads:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-September/083504.
> html 
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-November/083767.html
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-January/086910.ht
> ml
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Robert Baldi
> Sent: Friday, June 11, 2021 6:44 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
> 
> Hello gang. I have a Rhodes I sail on Long Beach Island. I have not posted on the list for years. I had my boat redone after Hurricane Sandy. General Boats added a motor lift. Last weekend it stopped working. There may be a problem with the rocker switch or maybe it?s the motor. Can anyone tell me who manufactured the motor, where I can get replacement parts and is there a design description printed somewhere to guide me on how to service it or repair it?
> I have no idea how to get it repaired or what is wrong with it. To me, motors on sailboats are great. They are a great asset unless you need them.
> My outboard motors have always worked perfectly in calm weather when they were not critical. I have sailed back into my slip on a number of occasions swearing at technology.
> Your advice would be greatly appreciated.I probably should not have agreed to add the motor lift knowing this day would come.
> rob
> Years ago I posted as moses2you.......(for anyone who has been on the 
> list for more than 15 years)
> --
> rob
> 
> From my IPad
> Robert O. Baldi
> 


From joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Jun 11 20:49:44 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 17:49:44 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
In-Reply-To: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
References: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <1623458984152-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Mary Lou,
Sorry I was not aboard Respite when you visited Deltaville! 1. To welcome
you to Fishing Bay, one of the best kept secrets on the Chesapeake. 2. I
hope your stay was pleasant. The fact that you noticed the R22 burgee
confirms that it is an effective "attention getter"! You made my day! Yes,
as someone alluded, Respite is our Rhodes and we take great pride in
answering all the questions and accepting all the compliments about her.
Please come back and give us a heads up so we can meet for a cocktail or
two.  Just curious, did you take one of the transient slips at FBM? I think
the slip on my port side is transient. 

Best,





-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Jun 11 21:03:16 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 18:03:16 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
In-Reply-To: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
References: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <1623459796291-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Just saw Mary's picture. Looks like I need to get down to Respite and fix the
burgee as it has come loose from the upper connection on the lipstick and is
inverted. Sorry Mary lou had to see it in that state!
Here's what it should look like:

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/IMG_20210525_1529233.jpg> 



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Fri Jun 11 21:03:10 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 21:03:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
In-Reply-To: <CACJaSP+VOE+Q=gW_MSoDS8G+=O3sanqts76H1xxb7vGe_c7VqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACJaSP+VOE+Q=gW_MSoDS8G+=O3sanqts76H1xxb7vGe_c7VqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13FC8EDC-DBED-4288-AC12-EA0734B33276@aol.com>

Hi!, I?m a;so a Long Beach Island Rhodie.  I had the same problem and due the age and condition of motor replaced the entire assembly.  Have you checked all connections and for voltage at motor?  If the motor is old and rusted, like mine was you may be better off replacing the entire system for about $125 instead of messing around with trying to find parts. 

> On Jun 11, 2021, at 6:44 PM, Robert Baldi <rob.o.baldi at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello gang. I have a Rhodes I sail on Long Beach Island. I have not posted
> on the list for years. I had my boat redone after Hurricane Sandy. General
> Boats added a motor lift. Last weekend it stopped working. There may be a
> problem with the rocker switch or maybe it?s the motor. Can anyone tell me
> who manufactured the motor, where I can get replacement parts and is there
> a design description printed somewhere to guide me on how to service it or
> repair it?
> I have no idea how to get it repaired or what is wrong with it. To me,
> motors on sailboats are great. They are a great asset unless you need them.
> My outboard motors have always worked perfectly in calm weather when they
> were not critical. I have sailed back into my slip on a number of occasions
> swearing at technology.
> Your advice would be greatly appreciated.I probably should not have agreed
> to add the motor lift knowing this day would come.
> rob
> Years ago I posted as moses2you.......(for anyone who has been on the list
> for more than 15 years)
> -- 
> rob
> 
> From my IPad
> Robert O. Baldi


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Fri Jun 11 21:04:07 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 21:04:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 in Deltaville, VA
In-Reply-To: <1623458984152-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <ccc48f89-c562-c5ae-aa0c-39f570c035de@atlanticbb.net>
 <1623458984152-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <8241a6d0-e033-cab3-e771-4f171d2d0a45@atlanticbb.net>

Hi Joe,
We had a lovely 2 day stay in Deltaville. If you look closely at the 
photo I sent you can see Tara (the Rosborough) in a slip about 2 slips 
away from the office. We were there with a group of 5 boats - we were 
the only power boat. Sorry we missed each other.

Mary Lou

On 6/11/2021 8:49 PM, Joe Dempsey wrote:
> Mary Lou,
> Sorry I was not aboard Respite when you visited Deltaville! 1. To welcome
> you to Fishing Bay, one of the best kept secrets on the Chesapeake. 2. I
> hope your stay was pleasant. The fact that you noticed the R22 burgee
> confirms that it is an effective "attention getter"! You made my day! Yes,
> as someone alluded, Respite is our Rhodes and we take great pride in
> answering all the questions and accepting all the compliments about her.
> Please come back and give us a heads up so we can meet for a cocktail or
> two.  Just curious, did you take one of the transient slips at FBM? I think
> the slip on my port side is transient.
>
> Best,
>
>
>
>
>
> -----
> Joe Dempsey
> s/v Respite
> Rhodes 22 1989/2005
> Deltaville,VA
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Jun 11 21:27:25 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 18:27:25 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
Message-ID: <E1lrsQn-0060kK-Nm@s152.servername.online>

This thread just underscores why I continue to hold the firm belief that the line and pulley system for lifting the motor is the better solution.  The pulling force required is about the same as what's needed to furl the main (IMF), and if it ever breaks, diagnosing the problem should be pretty easy.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Jun 11 22:38:31 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 19:38:31 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
In-Reply-To: <E1lrsQn-0060kK-Nm@s152.servername.online>
References: <CACJaSP+VOE+Q=gW_MSoDS8G+=O3sanqts76H1xxb7vGe_c7VqA@mail.gmail.com>
 <E1lrsQn-0060kK-Nm@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <1623465511921-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Peter,
I presume you're referring to the lift winch. Mine is a Powerwinch which I
could not find but seems to bw a standard winch you can find at AutoZone, 
Tractor supply and Wal-Mart.  Main issue is bolt pattern. Other than that
installation looks easy.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/IMG_20171116_1416220.jpg> 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/IMG_20171116_1417048.jpg> 



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 11 23:04:31 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2021 23:04:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
In-Reply-To: <006e01d75f1c$888c5460$99a4fd20$@ebsmed.com>
References: <006e01d75f1c$888c5460$99a4fd20$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <DC43358C-84EC-4C59-AB8C-9AD7A9958089@gmail.com>

For what It?s worth, I recently had both my lift motor and electric starter abruptly stop working.  I eventually just removed the connections to both from the connection block under the aft port cockpit seat and then reconnected them.  Everything was fine.   Magic!

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 11, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
>> rob
>> 
>> From my IPad

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 07:21:25 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (JeffSmith)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 04:21:25 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
In-Reply-To: <CACJaSP+VOE+Q=gW_MSoDS8G+=O3sanqts76H1xxb7vGe_c7VqA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACJaSP+VOE+Q=gW_MSoDS8G+=O3sanqts76H1xxb7vGe_c7VqA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1623496885762-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

When mine recently stopped working it turned out to be a loose connection 
inside the lazarette on the port side. 



-----
Jeff Smith
2009/2016 R22 #101 RADIANT
Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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From snstaum at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 10:21:10 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 10:21:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Water Fill
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRpYNEbLX7y88pp38wCziDAhAJ_6GTrzi4WY3kOrr1mrEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPQvPRpYNEbLX7y88pp38wCziDAhAJ_6GTrzi4WY3kOrr1mrEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjfgFnSYtJ3MqVsxKXZtLrefTdpJQgoOjLoSC_fL-nhbOw@mail.gmail.com>

I use a quarter or a wide straight blade screwdriver.  No need for a
special tool.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*

*(781) 704-1037*



On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 12:56 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> There is a water fill cap on the starboard  forward part of the deck. There
> is a slender shallow slot to loosen and tighten this flat surface cap. What
> is the best tool to use. Surely someone has solved this problem.
> Thanks!
>
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Sat Jun 12 10:26:56 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 10:26:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from my heart catheterization procedure
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMNbQHdrLsuSOJ7+94zrevHXCSNWD5qE4gVEhe4sAhyKyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920998338FE5A05486223E580349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB692050DBDCA3BFB4BAB2C05880349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69208047EBD66AE7A77E275980349@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAB-twMNbQHdrLsuSOJ7+94zrevHXCSNWD5qE4gVEhe4sAhyKyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjcjZD3-dzFRd3JEiHQXq6uRfAoKaFh8OnPf3NFVFzYfOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome back Roger.  I hope you get your issues sorted out quickly.  While
it is good when they don't find anything wrong, but when you still don't
feel well it is not great.  I have a stress test scheduled later in June
and am hoping to dodge the surgery bullet.  I hate to lose the sailing
season.  It sounds like you have lake, dam and dock issues in addition.
When it rains it pours...

Make a rum toast to Rummy of blessed memory and hope for better days.


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

*Needham, MA*



On Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 8:57 AM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Roger,
>
> Most of that is good news! I hope they can figure out the remaining issues.
>
> I will say this; whether or not sleep apnea is causing any of your
> remaining heart problems, get the sleep study, and if prescribed, use the
> CPAP or other devices. If you have sleep apnea, an assistive device will
> make a big improvement in your energy and stamina levels and lessen the
> daytime fatigue.
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 8:33 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I had my heart cath procedure yesterday.  They eliminated a number of
> > things:
> >
> >
> >   1.  The pressure mapping inside my heart chambers indicated I do not
> > have significant leakage due to a congenital defect like a hole between
> > chambers or valve leakage.
> >   2.  They could find no sign of infection or any sort of tumors inside
> my
> > heart.
> >   3.  There is no obstruction to blood flow in my pulmonary arteries, say
> > due to a sharp bend or kink.
> >   4.  My fraction ejected went from ~35% before Tikosyn to ~55% after.
> > 55% is within the normal range.  So, the Tikosyn appears to be working.
> >   5.  I do not have significant plaque build-up in my coronary or
> > pulmonary arteries.  So, I will not need a coronary bypass or a stint.
> >
> >
> > While this is all good news, the question remains, what the heck is wrong
> > with me?  Why do I have all the swelling, poor aerobic stamina, the
> A-Fib,
> > and tire so easily?  The short answer is, they don?t know for sure.  I
> have
> > an appointment at the Heart Failure Clinic, Midland Hospital next week,
> > Thursday.  They have been talking about scheduling me for a sleep study
> to
> > determine if I have sleep apnea; but, that hasn?t been scheduled yet.
> > Frankly, I?m a little skeptical that sleep apnea could be causing all
> this;
> > but, I can always be persuaded by data.
> >
> >
> > Other than that, I have a normal list of post surgical issues.  I have
> > stitches in my groin that prevent me from driving for 2 days, I can?t do
> > anything strenuous or even lift more than 10 lbs for 5 days, I can?t
> > immerse the stitches in water for 10 days, and I have to watch for
> > complications like infection or a hematoma at the incision site.  I had
> the
> > usual post surgical anesthesia ?hangover? and I slept yesterday afternoon
> > and evening.  I feel somewhat better this morning, although my stitches
> > hurt when I walk or bend over.  Sitting on the toilet is somewhat
> painful.
> >
> >
> > Other than that, things is dull; but, life is good!  Thanks for all the
> > good wishes and prayers.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> >
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 13 12:06:15 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 12:06:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
In-Reply-To: <DC43358C-84EC-4C59-AB8C-9AD7A9958089@gmail.com>
References: <006e01d75f1c$888c5460$99a4fd20$@ebsmed.com>
 <DC43358C-84EC-4C59-AB8C-9AD7A9958089@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMqX_PkbBTBNT=KKW1GNH6Z6X=Hmgj6bCtipccwtYAF7Q@mail.gmail.com>

I do not have the electric lift. But from past discussions, the switch is
wired as in the attached pic.
When the switch is thrown down as shown in the picture. The upper sets of
contacts are connected. In this case #1 is connected to #2, and #4 is
connected to #5. If you trace the circuit, the motor should move in a
certain direction because current will flow through the motor. (Note the
direction of current flow if going from (-) to (+) on the battery.)

When the switch is thrown up as shown in the picture. The lower sets of
contacts are connected. In this case #2 is connected to #3 and #5 is
connected to #6. If you trace the circuit, the motor should move in the
opposite direction because current will flow through the motor in the
opposite direction as before (Note the direction, again tracing from (-) to
(+) on the battery.)

If the jumpers on your DPDT are configured criss crossed like in the
drawing, you can troubleshoot without blowing a fuse or tripping a breaker.
I hope this helps.

Todd T

tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Fri, Jun 11, 2021, 11:04 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> For what It?s worth, I recently had both my lift motor and electric
> starter abruptly stop working.  I eventually just removed the connections
> to both from the connection block under the aft port cockpit seat and then
> reconnected them.  Everything was fine.   Magic!
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 11, 2021, at 7:50 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> rob
> >>
> >> From my IPad
>
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From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 12:02:29 2021
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Hornblower)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 09:02:29 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
Message-ID: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Hi everyone,

This is an amazingly helpful forum for a new Rhodes owner like me!  I am
appreciating all the info and advice I read daily!

My boat came to me missing the portside lower pintle screw seen in the
picture.  Can anyone tell me exactly what size it is and where I can get
another? Many thanks!
Matt

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t1016/IMG_3060.jpg> 



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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Jun 14 12:23:54 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:23:54 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
In-Reply-To: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB69859AA83084BDD1AD295CC4C1319@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Matt,
It looks like you might have lost a couple of others along the way.  Mine are all screws, similar to the one at the top of your photo.  You could remove that one and match it for your missing one.  You could consider replacing the bolts with the same type screws.  Use stainless steel.  I expect any good hardware store might have what you need. - Rob


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Hornblower <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 12:02 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability

Hi everyone,

This is an amazingly helpful forum for a new Rhodes owner like me!  I am
appreciating all the info and advice I read daily!

My boat came to me missing the portside lower pintle screw seen in the
picture.  Can anyone tell me exactly what size it is and where I can get
another? Many thanks!
Matt

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t1016/IMG_3060.jpg>



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From dlet3 at aol.com  Mon Jun 14 13:29:25 2021
From: dlet3 at aol.com (DANA LETENDRE)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 13:29:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
In-Reply-To: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <C3B9E4EB-99EB-4EBD-BCCF-9E3CC7AB9C0E@aol.com>

     Are you sure there was ever a bolt through there?  It looks like a bolt would go right through the rudder and prevent it from kicking up.  I don?t have access to my boat right now, but I believe mine lacks a bolt there for this reason same reason.  I?m not 100% sure about your situation, but look at it to see if your rudder would be able to kick up with a bolt in there.

Good Luck,

Dana LeTendre

Sent from my iPad
????????

On Jun 14, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Hornblower <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

?Hi everyone,

This is an amazingly helpful forum for a new Rhodes owner like me!  I am
appreciating all the info and advice I read daily!

My boat came to me missing the portside lower pintle screw seen in the
picture.  Can anyone tell me exactly what size it is and where I can get
another? Many thanks!
Matt

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t1016/IMG_3060.jpg> 



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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 13:55:10 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 13:55:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
In-Reply-To: <C3B9E4EB-99EB-4EBD-BCCF-9E3CC7AB9C0E@aol.com>
References: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <C3B9E4EB-99EB-4EBD-BCCF-9E3CC7AB9C0E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMP8KYqGsPNUg7p43LZpLQa2FkAvJ_DS2L9Q0GLHPznWKg@mail.gmail.com>

Its been years since I had my rudder apart, but my guess is that it might
not be a through bolt. It is possible, or I should ask if it IS possible,
that there was a flat head screw coming from the inside out, sitting in a
countersunk hole on the inner face of the rudderhead?
I can check mine, but it will be late in the evening before I have an
answer.


Todd T.

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021, 1:31 PM DANA LETENDRE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

>      Are you sure there was ever a bolt through there?  It looks like a
> bolt would go right through the rudder and prevent it from kicking up.  I
> don?t have access to my boat right now, but I believe mine lacks a bolt
> there for this reason same reason.  I?m not 100% sure about your situation,
> but look at it to see if your rudder would be able to kick up with a bolt
> in there.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Dana LeTendre
>
> Sent from my iPad
> ????????
>
> On Jun 14, 2021, at 12:02 PM, Hornblower <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi everyone,
>
> This is an amazingly helpful forum for a new Rhodes owner like me!  I am
> appreciating all the info and advice I read daily!
>
> My boat came to me missing the portside lower pintle screw seen in the
> picture.  Can anyone tell me exactly what size it is and where I can get
> another? Many thanks!
> Matt
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t1016/IMG_3060.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon Jun 14 14:29:02 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 11:29:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
In-Reply-To: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1623695342065-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Matt,
I just "re-built" my rudder this past off season. The bolt that you are
talking about is shorter than the remaining bolts. They are all the same
diameter, I think 3/8". There should be one on the opposite side.  Remove it
and measure for length. These two are shorter so they don't interfere with
hauling up the rudder and they do not have lock nuts like all of the others.
Be sure to replace with 316 Stainless steel. You can get them from Fastenal
or McMaster and Carr. If you're close to a West Marine, they can probably
match what you need, but be sure it's either 304 or 316 grade. Take one to
your local hardware store and check for fit in their guage that they have in
the nuts and bolts department so you'll have the correct thread pattern.
Problem is they don't have marine grade hardware and their stainless will
rust out in a year.

In the photos, the inboard (short) screws are removed. Note in the Rudder up
photo the location of the outhaul line, which I had just replaced. That
stainless rod had been dislocated (separate photo) and I had to do a repair
to get it back in place. It's purpose is to provide a smooth surface for the
line to slide on. Note the new Downhaul (red) line in each of the photos.

I've taken the opportunity to attatch two additional photos: "Rudder Down
and not locked" and "Rudder Down and Locked". Note the relative position of
the rudder in the "locked" position. This is attained by using the Rudder
Down Haul line to pull the rudder as far down and forward as it will go and
using the hand wheel to tighten the line to keep the rudder in place. This
will take enormous pressure off of the strong weather helm.   It took me
nearly four years to learn this when Stan answered the exact question you
initially asked. I had reinstalled a long bolt where the two short ones
should have gone that did not allow the rudder to extend much beyond the
horizontal.

Hope this helps.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Rudder_Down_Position.jpg> 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Rudder_Up_1.jpg>  

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Rudder_Pinion.jpg> 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/IMG_20210513_1435462.jpg> 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Rudder_Mounted_in_UnLocked_Position.jpg> 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Rudder_Mounted_in_Locked_Position.jpg> 
 



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Jun 14 14:44:48 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 18:44:48 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
In-Reply-To: <1623695342065-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <1623695342065-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB6985A0FD53DC7D5F7390F4E4C1319@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Joe,
Tell me more about this metal rod shown in your photo.  My rudder is apparently missing that.  That's probably why I have such trouble getting my rudder down all the way and forward enough.  I have to use by boat hook to push the rudder all the way forward.  Once it's there, I can tighten the line to hold it in position.  But I can't use the down haul line to get it into position. - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 2:29 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability

Matt,
I just "re-built" my rudder this past off season. The bolt that you are
talking about is shorter than the remaining bolts. They are all the same
diameter, I think 3/8". There should be one on the opposite side.  Remove it
and measure for length. These two are shorter so they don't interfere with
hauling up the rudder and they do not have lock nuts like all of the others.
Be sure to replace with 316 Stainless steel. You can get them from Fastenal
or McMaster and Carr. If you're close to a West Marine, they can probably
match what you need, but be sure it's either 304 or 316 grade. Take one to
your local hardware store and check for fit in their guage that they have in
the nuts and bolts department so you'll have the correct thread pattern.
Problem is they don't have marine grade hardware and their stainless will
rust out in a year.

In the photos, the inboard (short) screws are removed. Note in the Rudder up
photo the location of the outhaul line, which I had just replaced. That
stainless rod had been dislocated (separate photo) and I had to do a repair
to get it back in place. It's purpose is to provide a smooth surface for the
line to slide on. Note the new Downhaul (red) line in each of the photos.

I've taken the opportunity to attatch two additional photos: "Rudder Down
and not locked" and "Rudder Down and Locked". Note the relative position of
the rudder in the "locked" position. This is attained by using the Rudder
Down Haul line to pull the rudder as far down and forward as it will go and
using the hand wheel to tighten the line to keep the rudder in place. This
will take enormous pressure off of the strong weather helm.   It took me
nearly four years to learn this when Stan answered the exact question you
initially asked. I had reinstalled a long bolt where the two short ones
should have gone that did not allow the rudder to extend much beyond the
horizontal.

Hope this helps.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Rudder_Down_Position.jpg>

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Rudder_Up_1.jpg>

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Rudder_Pinion.jpg>

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/IMG_20210513_1435462.jpg>

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Rudder_Mounted_in_UnLocked_Position.jpg>

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t752/Rudder_Mounted_in_Locked_Position.jpg>




-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon Jun 14 15:25:40 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 12:25:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB6985A0FD53DC7D5F7390F4E4C1319@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1623695342065-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <DM6PR05MB6985A0FD53DC7D5F7390F4E4C1319@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1623698740283-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Last year I was having difficulty raising and lowering the rudder and after
hauling for the winter, inspected and found the rod as seen in the photo. It
was held in place by two #6 or #8 1" or 1-1/4" screws. It's either  1/4" or
3/8" stainless rod (going from memory). Fortunately it had not been deep
sixed and was hanging on by one of the screws. As you can see, the downhaul
line had worked itself inside of the rod. I'm guessing it was intended to go
around the rod. I never checked with Stan, but figured since without going
around  the rod, it was pulling at an awkward angle and also pinching inside
the rudder housing.  Looking back at the photo, I'm going to guess with the
3/8" size. You can order 316 ss rod from McMaster and Carr and cut to the
length you need. Then bore holes on either side to match up with each side
of the rudder housing. You should find holes already in the edges of the
housing. They may need some repair. As I recall, the screws that held the
rod in place seemed somewhat skimpy and I may have beefed them up, but don't
remember. Obviously, thickness of the housing sides will dictate.



-----
Joe Dempsey
s/v Respite 
Rhodes 22 1989/2005
Deltaville,VA
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Jun 14 21:02:39 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 21:02:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
In-Reply-To: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <000101d76182$247418b0$6d5c4a10$@ca>

Those are just very short flathead machine screws. There should be one on
each side. The head goes in from the inside and the locknut is what shows on
the outside. Just get a stainless steel flat head machine screw that fits
the hole diameter, insert it from the inside. Fasten the locknut and cut off
the extra. 

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Hornblower
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 12:02 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability

Hi everyone,

This is an amazingly helpful forum for a new Rhodes owner like me!  I am
appreciating all the info and advice I read daily!

My boat came to me missing the portside lower pintle screw seen in the
picture.  Can anyone tell me exactly what size it is and where I can get
another? Many thanks!
Matt

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t1016/IMG_3060.jpg> 



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From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Jun 14 21:09:57 2021
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 20:09:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
In-Reply-To: <000101d76182$247418b0$6d5c4a10$@ca>
References: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <000101d76182$247418b0$6d5c4a10$@ca>
Message-ID: <CANbEFCsatpP4BW8o44cDcAZvrgewc9wm9Ley3X=bNM7pQOhSEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks  everyone!!  I greatly appreciate it!

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 8:02 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Those are just very short flathead machine screws. There should be one on
> each side. The head goes in from the inside and the locknut is what shows
> on
> the outside. Just get a stainless steel flat head machine screw that fits
> the hole diameter, insert it from the inside. Fasten the locknut and cut
> off
> the extra.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Hornblower
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 12:02 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> This is an amazingly helpful forum for a new Rhodes owner like me!  I am
> appreciating all the info and advice I read daily!
>
> My boat came to me missing the portside lower pintle screw seen in the
> picture.  Can anyone tell me exactly what size it is and where I can get
> another? Many thanks!
> Matt
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t1016/IMG_3060.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 07:53:07 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 06:53:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] are there any Rhodes 22 sailors near Lake
	Winnipesaukee in NH?
Message-ID: <CAMc-3foZs+TgOfmE=KcxfSRJj8TsN1dvTdKbSzyk_aAVngPfaQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

Along with a few other sailors from our club at Lake Manawa in Iowa, I'm
going to be participating in the JBT Regatta on July 17 at
Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.  It's a fundraiser for pediatric brain
cancer research and our team will be sailing in memory of my daughter
Maddie.  My wife and I started the Nebraska Chapter of The Cure Starts Now
and it so happens that the New Hampshire Chapter of The Cure Starts Now was
also started by a guy named Jesse who is a sailor.  He started it in memory
of his son John.  We'll be borrowing his J80 for the race and he is
borrowing a boat from a friend so we can all participate.

I started sailing in 2018, several years after Maddie passed away in 2015
when she was 8 years old.  Sailing has been a very helpful outlet for me
and I'm grateful that I found it when I did.

Anyway, I have a couple of free days in New Hampshire (and a rental car
available) following the regatta, so if there happen to be any Rhodies in
the area, it would be great to meet up.

If you happen to be interested in participating in the regatta, here is a
link to the Notice of Race:
https://events.thecurestartsnow.org/media/4031/notice-of-race-6th-annual-jbt-regatta.pdf

Our team page is at the following link in case anyone wants to contribute.
There are absolutely no expectations here, but I would be remiss if I
didn't at least post the link.
https://p2p.thecurestartsnow.org/402

Thanks,
Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 08:09:41 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 08:09:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] are there any Rhodes 22 sailors near Lake
 Winnipesaukee in NH?
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3foZs+TgOfmE=KcxfSRJj8TsN1dvTdKbSzyk_aAVngPfaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3foZs+TgOfmE=KcxfSRJj8TsN1dvTdKbSzyk_aAVngPfaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjcJhA=g8h=LZUn0QNj1gMFCCt=T1sEQrrZQN8ErCzUStg@mail.gmail.com>

Jesse,

I am a couple of hours south in Hingham, MA at the Shipyard Marina.  It
would be my pleasure to take you sailing if you want to make the drive.


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*

*s/v Carol Lee 2*



On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 7:53 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Along with a few other sailors from our club at Lake Manawa in Iowa, I'm
> going to be participating in the JBT Regatta on July 17 at
> Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.  It's a fundraiser for pediatric brain
> cancer research and our team will be sailing in memory of my daughter
> Maddie.  My wife and I started the Nebraska Chapter of The Cure Starts Now
> and it so happens that the New Hampshire Chapter of The Cure Starts Now was
> also started by a guy named Jesse who is a sailor.  He started it in memory
> of his son John.  We'll be borrowing his J80 for the race and he is
> borrowing a boat from a friend so we can all participate.
>
> I started sailing in 2018, several years after Maddie passed away in 2015
> when she was 8 years old.  Sailing has been a very helpful outlet for me
> and I'm grateful that I found it when I did.
>
> Anyway, I have a couple of free days in New Hampshire (and a rental car
> available) following the regatta, so if there happen to be any Rhodies in
> the area, it would be great to meet up.
>
> If you happen to be interested in participating in the regatta, here is a
> link to the Notice of Race:
>
> https://events.thecurestartsnow.org/media/4031/notice-of-race-6th-annual-jbt-regatta.pdf
>
> Our team page is at the following link in case anyone wants to contribute.
> There are absolutely no expectations here, but I would be remiss if I
> didn't at least post the link.
> https://p2p.thecurestartsnow.org/402
>
> Thanks,
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 08:46:55 2021
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 08:46:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] are there any Rhodes 22 sailors near Lake
 Winnipesaukee in NH?
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3foZs+TgOfmE=KcxfSRJj8TsN1dvTdKbSzyk_aAVngPfaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3foZs+TgOfmE=KcxfSRJj8TsN1dvTdKbSzyk_aAVngPfaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrO9msEg8REY9SyKZaghxKGsPKiADvdQsf38ObSuKN+RKZskA@mail.gmail.com>

Jesse
As it turns out I'll be arriving at Meredith, New Hampshire on Sunday, July
18 to spend a week at lake Winnipesaukee with family. I'll be without my
Rhodes 22 but would look forward to sitting and talking for awhile if you
are still at the lake
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore
Cell: 410-499-8922


On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 7:53 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> Along with a few other sailors from our club at Lake Manawa in Iowa, I'm
> going to be participating in the JBT Regatta on July 17 at
> Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.  It's a fundraiser for pediatric brain
> cancer research and our team will be sailing in memory of my daughter
> Maddie.  My wife and I started the Nebraska Chapter of The Cure Starts Now
> and it so happens that the New Hampshire Chapter of The Cure Starts Now was
> also started by a guy named Jesse who is a sailor.  He started it in memory
> of his son John.  We'll be borrowing his J80 for the race and he is
> borrowing a boat from a friend so we can all participate.
>
> I started sailing in 2018, several years after Maddie passed away in 2015
> when she was 8 years old.  Sailing has been a very helpful outlet for me
> and I'm grateful that I found it when I did.
>
> Anyway, I have a couple of free days in New Hampshire (and a rental car
> available) following the regatta, so if there happen to be any Rhodies in
> the area, it would be great to meet up.
>
> If you happen to be interested in participating in the regatta, here is a
> link to the Notice of Race:
>
> https://events.thecurestartsnow.org/media/4031/notice-of-race-6th-annual-jbt-regatta.pdf
>
> Our team page is at the following link in case anyone wants to contribute.
> There are absolutely no expectations here, but I would be remiss if I
> didn't at least post the link.
> https://p2p.thecurestartsnow.org/402
>
> Thanks,
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Jun 15 09:11:35 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:11:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCsatpP4BW8o44cDcAZvrgewc9wm9Ley3X=bNM7pQOhSEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1623686549984-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <000101d76182$247418b0$6d5c4a10$@ca>
 <CANbEFCsatpP4BW8o44cDcAZvrgewc9wm9Ley3X=bNM7pQOhSEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000601d761e7$f98e9650$ecabc2f0$@ca>

Mark:

If it would be helpful, I can take some photos of my rudder and the arrangement with the screws.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Matt Wilson
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 9:10 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability

Thanks  everyone!!  I greatly appreciate it!

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 8:02 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Those are just very short flathead machine screws. There should be one on
> each side. The head goes in from the inside and the locknut is what shows
> on
> the outside. Just get a stainless steel flat head machine screw that fits
> the hole diameter, insert it from the inside. Fasten the locknut and cut
> off
> the extra.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Hornblower
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 12:02 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> This is an amazingly helpful forum for a new Rhodes owner like me!  I am
> appreciating all the info and advice I read daily!
>
> My boat came to me missing the portside lower pintle screw seen in the
> picture.  Can anyone tell me exactly what size it is and where I can get
> another? Many thanks!
> Matt
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t1016/IMG_3060.jpg>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>


From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue Jun 15 09:53:47 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:53:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] are there any Rhodes 22 sailors near
	Lake	Winnipesaukee in NH?
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3foZs+TgOfmE=KcxfSRJj8TsN1dvTdKbSzyk_aAVngPfaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3foZs+TgOfmE=KcxfSRJj8TsN1dvTdKbSzyk_aAVngPfaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB698559D05E49269E8347A352C1309@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Jesse,
So sorry to hear about your story.  Hope you do well in the regatta.  Have enough crew for the race? Wish I was a bit closer to NH, I'd stop by and say hello. - Rob


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] are there any Rhodes 22 sailors near Lake Winnipesaukee in NH?

Hi everyone,

Along with a few other sailors from our club at Lake Manawa in Iowa, I'm
going to be participating in the JBT Regatta on July 17 at
Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.  It's a fundraiser for pediatric brain
cancer research and our team will be sailing in memory of my daughter
Maddie.  My wife and I started the Nebraska Chapter of The Cure Starts Now
and it so happens that the New Hampshire Chapter of The Cure Starts Now was
also started by a guy named Jesse who is a sailor.  He started it in memory
of his son John.  We'll be borrowing his J80 for the race and he is
borrowing a boat from a friend so we can all participate.

I started sailing in 2018, several years after Maddie passed away in 2015
when she was 8 years old.  Sailing has been a very helpful outlet for me
and I'm grateful that I found it when I did.

Anyway, I have a couple of free days in New Hampshire (and a rental car
available) following the regatta, so if there happen to be any Rhodies in
the area, it would be great to meet up.

If you happen to be interested in participating in the regatta, here is a
link to the Notice of Race:
https://events.thecurestartsnow.org/media/4031/notice-of-race-6th-annual-jbt-regatta.pdf

Our team page is at the following link in case anyone wants to contribute.
There are absolutely no expectations here, but I would be remiss if I
didn't at least post the link.
https://p2p.thecurestartsnow.org/402

Thanks,
Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 10:36:43 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:36:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] are there any Rhodes 22 sailors near Lake
 Winnipesaukee in NH?
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjcJhA=g8h=LZUn0QNj1gMFCCt=T1sEQrrZQN8ErCzUStg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3foZs+TgOfmE=KcxfSRJj8TsN1dvTdKbSzyk_aAVngPfaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjcJhA=g8h=LZUn0QNj1gMFCCt=T1sEQrrZQN8ErCzUStg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqYyOJNtTwL-S84+EkTm9LmABfb8v1O3R+Z0fA0k=utJg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stephen, that would be great!  I'll send you a direct message to
coordinate details.  I'm looking forward to meeting and sailing together.
Thank you for your offer.

Jesse

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 7:09 AM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jesse,
>
> I am a couple of hours south in Hingham, MA at the Shipyard Marina.  It
> would be my pleasure to take you sailing if you want to make the drive.
>
>
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>
> *Stephen Staum*
>
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 7:53 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Along with a few other sailors from our club at Lake Manawa in Iowa, I'm
> > going to be participating in the JBT Regatta on July 17 at
> > Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.  It's a fundraiser for pediatric
> brain
> > cancer research and our team will be sailing in memory of my daughter
> > Maddie.  My wife and I started the Nebraska Chapter of The Cure Starts
> Now
> > and it so happens that the New Hampshire Chapter of The Cure Starts Now
> was
> > also started by a guy named Jesse who is a sailor.  He started it in
> memory
> > of his son John.  We'll be borrowing his J80 for the race and he is
> > borrowing a boat from a friend so we can all participate.
> >
> > I started sailing in 2018, several years after Maddie passed away in 2015
> > when she was 8 years old.  Sailing has been a very helpful outlet for me
> > and I'm grateful that I found it when I did.
> >
> > Anyway, I have a couple of free days in New Hampshire (and a rental car
> > available) following the regatta, so if there happen to be any Rhodies in
> > the area, it would be great to meet up.
> >
> > If you happen to be interested in participating in the regatta, here is a
> > link to the Notice of Race:
> >
> >
> https://events.thecurestartsnow.org/media/4031/notice-of-race-6th-annual-jbt-regatta.pdf
> >
> > Our team page is at the following link in case anyone wants to
> contribute.
> > There are absolutely no expectations here, but I would be remiss if I
> > didn't at least post the link.
> > https://p2p.thecurestartsnow.org/402
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 10:37:41 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:37:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] are there any Rhodes 22 sailors near Lake
 Winnipesaukee in NH?
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9msEg8REY9SyKZaghxKGsPKiADvdQsf38ObSuKN+RKZskA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3foZs+TgOfmE=KcxfSRJj8TsN1dvTdKbSzyk_aAVngPfaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHrO9msEg8REY9SyKZaghxKGsPKiADvdQsf38ObSuKN+RKZskA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpu4+n8ynfSYz9p9SkFHWhNCkdtzB_8qmBoWKmbkmNRPQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Reuben, I would like that very much.  I'll send you a direct message to
coordinate details.  I look forward to meeting you.

Jesse

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 7:47 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jesse
> As it turns out I'll be arriving at Meredith, New Hampshire on Sunday, July
> 18 to spend a week at lake Winnipesaukee with family. I'll be without my
> Rhodes 22 but would look forward to sitting and talking for awhile if you
> are still at the lake
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Inner Harbor in Baltimore
> Cell: 410-499-8922
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 7:53 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Along with a few other sailors from our club at Lake Manawa in Iowa, I'm
> > going to be participating in the JBT Regatta on July 17 at
> > Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.  It's a fundraiser for pediatric
> brain
> > cancer research and our team will be sailing in memory of my daughter
> > Maddie.  My wife and I started the Nebraska Chapter of The Cure Starts
> Now
> > and it so happens that the New Hampshire Chapter of The Cure Starts Now
> was
> > also started by a guy named Jesse who is a sailor.  He started it in
> memory
> > of his son John.  We'll be borrowing his J80 for the race and he is
> > borrowing a boat from a friend so we can all participate.
> >
> > I started sailing in 2018, several years after Maddie passed away in 2015
> > when she was 8 years old.  Sailing has been a very helpful outlet for me
> > and I'm grateful that I found it when I did.
> >
> > Anyway, I have a couple of free days in New Hampshire (and a rental car
> > available) following the regatta, so if there happen to be any Rhodies in
> > the area, it would be great to meet up.
> >
> > If you happen to be interested in participating in the regatta, here is a
> > link to the Notice of Race:
> >
> >
> https://events.thecurestartsnow.org/media/4031/notice-of-race-6th-annual-jbt-regatta.pdf
> >
> > Our team page is at the following link in case anyone wants to
> contribute.
> > There are absolutely no expectations here, but I would be remiss if I
> > didn't at least post the link.
> > https://p2p.thecurestartsnow.org/402
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 10:39:07 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:39:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] are there any Rhodes 22 sailors near Lake
 Winnipesaukee in NH?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB698559D05E49269E8347A352C1309@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAMc-3foZs+TgOfmE=KcxfSRJj8TsN1dvTdKbSzyk_aAVngPfaQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR05MB698559D05E49269E8347A352C1309@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpmfjH+A6OW75inu-iZDeJpviMxQ2_aOxHsT-521sTeWw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rob, thanks so much for your kind note and support.  Fortunately there
are 4 of us from Nebraska that will be sailing which is a good fit for the
J80.  That would be great to meet up if I'm ever in your neighborhood.

Jesse

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 8:53 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Jesse,
> So sorry to hear about your story.  Hope you do well in the regatta.  Have
> enough crew for the race? Wish I was a bit closer to NH, I'd stop by and
> say hello. - Rob
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 7:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] are there any Rhodes 22 sailors near Lake
> Winnipesaukee in NH?
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> Along with a few other sailors from our club at Lake Manawa in Iowa, I'm
> going to be participating in the JBT Regatta on July 17 at
> Lake Winnipesaukee in New Hampshire.  It's a fundraiser for pediatric brain
> cancer research and our team will be sailing in memory of my daughter
> Maddie.  My wife and I started the Nebraska Chapter of The Cure Starts Now
> and it so happens that the New Hampshire Chapter of The Cure Starts Now was
> also started by a guy named Jesse who is a sailor.  He started it in memory
> of his son John.  We'll be borrowing his J80 for the race and he is
> borrowing a boat from a friend so we can all participate.
>
> I started sailing in 2018, several years after Maddie passed away in 2015
> when she was 8 years old.  Sailing has been a very helpful outlet for me
> and I'm grateful that I found it when I did.
>
> Anyway, I have a couple of free days in New Hampshire (and a rental car
> available) following the regatta, so if there happen to be any Rhodies in
> the area, it would be great to meet up.
>
> If you happen to be interested in participating in the regatta, here is a
> link to the Notice of Race:
>
> https://events.thecurestartsnow.org/media/4031/notice-of-race-6th-annual-jbt-regatta.pdf
>
> Our team page is at the following link in case anyone wants to contribute.
> There are absolutely no expectations here, but I would be remiss if I
> didn't at least post the link.
> https://p2p.thecurestartsnow.org/402
>
> Thanks,
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 14:20:55 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:20:55 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless
Message-ID: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

BIG thanks to Tino and Stan for finishing my boat over the weekend.

...and thanks to my friend who loaned me his brand new diesel to handle tthe
six miles of truck lane to the top of Fancy Gap Mountain.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212521.jpg> 

AT EASE is now safe at home under the watchful eye of our guard dog.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_132150.jpg> 

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA




--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 14:23:06 2021
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:23:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless
In-Reply-To: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMBiF9yjBDDBtg4-osCjq+iFJOepkWZcY7VenwTZdp5QZQ@mail.gmail.com>

Good looking boat, Lee!

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 2:20 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> BIG thanks to Tino and Stan for finishing my boat over the weekend.
>
> ...and thanks to my friend who loaned me his brand new diesel to handle
> tthe
> six miles of truck lane to the top of Fancy Gap Mountain.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212521.jpg>
>
> AT EASE is now safe at home under the watchful eye of our guard dog.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_132150.jpg>
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 14:44:17 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:44:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMBiF9yjBDDBtg4-osCjq+iFJOepkWZcY7VenwTZdp5QZQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADQNfMBiF9yjBDDBtg4-osCjq+iFJOepkWZcY7VenwTZdp5QZQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <066D598E-D708-4763-8329-DC67B03522FD@gmail.com>

Yes, beautiful boat!  Mine has the same color scheme, so I?m partial. 

Frank 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 2:23 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Good looking boat, Lee!
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 2:20 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> BIG thanks to Tino and Stan for finishing my boat over the weekend.
>> 
>> ...and thanks to my friend who loaned me his brand new diesel to handle
>> tthe
>> six miles of truck lane to the top of Fancy Gap Mountain.
>> 
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212521.jpg>
>> 
>> AT EASE is now safe at home under the watchful eye of our guard dog.
>> 
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_132150.jpg>
>> 
>> Lee
>> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
>> Claytor Lake, VA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jun 15 14:47:59 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:47:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless
In-Reply-To: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <003001d76216$f75b3030$e6119090$@ebsmed.com>

Nice Boat. I like the dog.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:21 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless

BIG thanks to Tino and Stan for finishing my boat over the weekend.

...and thanks to my friend who loaned me his brand new diesel to handle tthe
six miles of truck lane to the top of Fancy Gap Mountain.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212521.jpg> 

AT EASE is now safe at home under the watchful eye of our guard dog.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_132150.jpg> 

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA




--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue Jun 15 15:26:10 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:26:10 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless
In-Reply-To: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB6985FE48A200020AC034112DC1309@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Congrats Lee!  I'll see you on the water soon.  So now we have two blue Rhodes on Claytor (or will be soon I hope).  If anyone calls you Rob, you might have to correct them. - Rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Lee
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2021 2:21 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless

BIG thanks to Tino and Stan for finishing my boat over the weekend.

...and thanks to my friend who loaned me his brand new diesel to handle tthe six miles of truck lane to the top of Fancy Gap Mountain.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212521.jpg> 

AT EASE is now safe at home under the watchful eye of our guard dog.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_132150.jpg> 

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA




--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 16:16:17 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:16:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless
In-Reply-To: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fo5cfQgTobV3eeoiZk2UqVvPBdwzuEiGd7mBybBh1yA+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Congrats Lee!

Jesse

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 1:20 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> BIG thanks to Tino and Stan for finishing my boat over the weekend.
>
> ...and thanks to my friend who loaned me his brand new diesel to handle
> tthe
> six miles of truck lane to the top of Fancy Gap Mountain.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212521.jpg>
>
> AT EASE is now safe at home under the watchful eye of our guard dog.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_132150.jpg>
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Tue Jun 15 16:33:40 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:33:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
In-Reply-To: <000601d761e7$f98e9650$ecabc2f0$@ca>
References: <000601d761e7$f98e9650$ecabc2f0$@ca>
Message-ID: <C8A7F591-EDF2-4881-9FE2-08D1F3EDBB01@verizon.net>

Mine were 1/4-20 flatheads with a SS finish washer.
Scott & Rebecca 
86? Rhodes22 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Mark:
> 
> If it would be helpful, I can take some photos of my rudder and the arrangement with the screws.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Matt Wilson
> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 9:10 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
> 
> Thanks  everyone!!  I greatly appreciate it!
> 
>> On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 8:02 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Those are just very short flathead machine screws. There should be one on
>> each side. The head goes in from the inside and the locknut is what shows
>> on
>> the outside. Just get a stainless steel flat head machine screw that fits
>> the hole diameter, insert it from the inside. Fasten the locknut and cut
>> off
>> the extra.
>> 
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> Hornblower
>> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2021 12:02 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Pintle Screw size and availability
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> This is an amazingly helpful forum for a new Rhodes owner like me!  I am
>> appreciating all the info and advice I read daily!
>> 
>> My boat came to me missing the portside lower pintle screw seen in the
>> picture.  Can anyone tell me exactly what size it is and where I can get
>> another? Many thanks!
>> Matt
>> 
>> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t1016/IMG_3060.jpg>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>> 
>> 
> 


From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue Jun 15 17:08:45 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:08:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fo5cfQgTobV3eeoiZk2UqVvPBdwzuEiGd7mBybBh1yA+Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMc-3fo5cfQgTobV3eeoiZk2UqVvPBdwzuEiGd7mBybBh1yA+Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <989847919.256740.1623791325105@mail.yahoo.com>

enjoy it lee


-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2021 4:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless

Congrats Lee!

Jesse

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 1:20 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> BIG thanks to Tino and Stan for finishing my boat over the weekend.
>
> ...and thanks to my friend who loaned me his brand new diesel to handle
> tthe
> six miles of truck lane to the top of Fancy Gap Mountain.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212521.jpg>
>
> AT EASE is now safe at home under the watchful eye of our guard dog.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_132150.jpg>
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22? AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 21:47:28 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:47:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re-threading the IMF furling line
Message-ID: <4FADE100-C21D-4901-B58F-A61799B94B0C@gmail.com>

List-folks,

I just had new sails installed on my boat, which required me to dismantle the mast, headsail, boom, traveler, stays, etc.  I have the IMF mast and jib back up, but I need to reconnect the boom and thread the black furling line back through it.  Does anyone have any tips on how best to do that? Any other suggestions on things to watch for as I finish reassembling the rigging?  

(I know, I should have taken it down to Edenton to let Stan do it . . . )

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC


From rhodes22dave at gmail.com  Tue Jun 15 23:14:48 2021
From: rhodes22dave at gmail.com (David Keyes)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 22:14:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re-threading the IMF furling line
In-Reply-To: <4FADE100-C21D-4901-B58F-A61799B94B0C@gmail.com>
References: <4FADE100-C21D-4901-B58F-A61799B94B0C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <768FD15F-27A8-4D61-BB44-36C18F19569D@gmail.com>

Frank, I just let gravity feed the black in-haul line through the boom.  It only needs to work its way as far as the open slot near the cleat less than half way towards the end of the boom.  If needed, you can fish for it with a wire.
David Keyes

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> List-folks,
> 
> I just had new sails installed on my boat, which required me to dismantle the mast, headsail, boom, traveler, stays, etc.  I have the IMF mast and jib back up, but I need to reconnect the boom and thread the black furling line back through it.  Does anyone have any tips on how best to do that? Any other suggestions on things to watch for as I finish reassembling the rigging?  
> 
> (I know, I should have taken it down to Edenton to let Stan do it . . . )
> 
> Frank
> 
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 00:00:18 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 23:00:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless
In-Reply-To: <989847919.256740.1623791325105@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAMc-3fo5cfQgTobV3eeoiZk2UqVvPBdwzuEiGd7mBybBh1yA+Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <989847919.256740.1623791325105@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiV87XczRU-TvQJFwWGazxS7nO-MFk4s2Whnp3sD0_zKuA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes! No more Mr. Boatless!
Chris G
Enosis/ Xenos

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 4:09 PM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> enjoy it lee
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Jun 15, 2021 4:16 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless
>
> Congrats Lee!
>
> Jesse
>
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 1:20 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > BIG thanks to Tino and Stan for finishing my boat over the weekend.
> >
> > ...and thanks to my friend who loaned me his brand new diesel to handle
> > tthe
> > six miles of truck lane to the top of Fancy Gap Mountain.
> >
> > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212521.jpg>
> >
> > AT EASE is now safe at home under the watchful eye of our guard dog.
> >
> > <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_132150.jpg>
> >
> > Lee
> > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > Claytor Lake, VA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 06:44:02 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 03:44:02 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane update
In-Reply-To: <1623257376577-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623257376577-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <1623840242210-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

I moved my winch to a position where I can crank the mast up without
standing. At 76 years old I feel much safer and stable being on my knees to
do this. 
Photo attached.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/9060A7E0-B9F5-4542-B7B2-9C6DD5623D91.jpeg> 



-----
George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986
Lake Waccamaw NC
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 07:25:00 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 07:25:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Re-threading the IMF furling line
In-Reply-To: <768FD15F-27A8-4D61-BB44-36C18F19569D@gmail.com>
References: <4FADE100-C21D-4901-B58F-A61799B94B0C@gmail.com>
 <768FD15F-27A8-4D61-BB44-36C18F19569D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2C511194-0468-4211-ADCA-8FA41C95834E@gmail.com>

Thanks, David.  That?s encouraging to hear.  My project for Saturday is to finish putting the boat back together.  

Frank

> On Jun 15, 2021, at 11:14 PM, David Keyes <rhodes22dave at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Frank, I just let gravity feed the black in-haul line through the boom.  It only needs to work its way as far as the open slot near the cleat less than half way towards the end of the boom.  If needed, you can fish for it with a wire.
> David Keyes
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2021, at 8:47 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> List-folks,
>> 
>> I just had new sails installed on my boat, which required me to dismantle the mast, headsail, boom, traveler, stays, etc.  I have the IMF mast and jib back up, but I need to reconnect the boom and thread the black furling line back through it.  Does anyone have any tips on how best to do that? Any other suggestions on things to watch for as I finish reassembling the rigging?  
>> 
>> (I know, I should have taken it down to Edenton to let Stan do it . . . )
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>> Fairview, NC
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>> 
> 


From forg3d at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 09:59:20 2021
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 08:59:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane update
In-Reply-To: <1623840242210-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623257376577-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1623840242210-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CDDAC594-4E13-4A3D-8937-3E6DEF4F333F@gmail.com>

I like it!

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 5:44 AM, Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I moved my winch to a position where I can crank the mast up without
> standing. At 76 years old I feel much safer and stable being on my knees to
> do this. 
> Photo attached.
> 
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/9060A7E0-B9F5-4542-B7B2-9C6DD5623D91.jpeg> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----
> George Morgan
> S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> Lake Waccamaw NC
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/


From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 16:30:54 2021
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 16:30:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose
Message-ID: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>

June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.  I
think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.  Rose and Stan were
married for over 70 years.  For those of you who have visited Stan recently
I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.  Lover - Wife -
Partner.  I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.  Stan, I will be
thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.

Warmest regards,
Mike Corley
S/V Ranger
Hsampton Roads

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 17:07:52 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 16:07:52 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mast Crane update
In-Reply-To: <CDDAC594-4E13-4A3D-8937-3E6DEF4F333F@gmail.com>
References: <1623257376577-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <1623840242210-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CDDAC594-4E13-4A3D-8937-3E6DEF4F333F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUdxyLUzqpkDHPv4vCrvehg9GyO6FOkBQ6FwkWc3RvExA@mail.gmail.com>

Well done. Part of the fun is tweaking the boat to make it unique for us. A
very Stanlike solution!
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis/Xenos

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 8:59 AM Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:

> I like it!
>
> > On Jun 16, 2021, at 5:44 AM, Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I moved my winch to a position where I can crank the mast up without
> > standing. At 76 years old I feel much safer and stable being on my knees
> to
> > do this.
> > Photo attached.
> >
> > <
> http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/9060A7E0-B9F5-4542-B7B2-9C6DD5623D91.jpeg>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > George Morgan
> > S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> > Lake Waccamaw NC
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 17:10:20 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 16:10:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiX9ibxhxZi-z2CB93_avdaP=u88KW-xBp7dSBRgsxs2fg@mail.gmail.com>

Well said Michael.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis/Xenos

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:31 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.  I
> think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.  Rose and Stan were
> married for over 70 years.  For those of you who have visited Stan recently
> I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.  Lover - Wife -
> Partner.  I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.  Stan, I will be
> thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.
>
> Warmest regards,
> Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hsampton Roads
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 21:02:27 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 21:02:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiX9ibxhxZi-z2CB93_avdaP=u88KW-xBp7dSBRgsxs2fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiX9ibxhxZi-z2CB93_avdaP=u88KW-xBp7dSBRgsxs2fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B0C287F6-2278-4DA3-A280-2AF645CCA331@gmail.com>

Amen.  My heartfelt condolences to Stan.  May he find comfort in the memories of Rose and Elton, and the life he shared with each of them.  

Frank

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 5:10 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well said Michael.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis/Xenos
> 
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 3:31 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.  I
>> think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.  Rose and Stan were
>> married for over 70 years.  For those of you who have visited Stan recently
>> I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.  Lover - Wife -
>> Partner.  I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.  Stan, I will be
>> thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.
>> 
>> Warmest regards,
>> Mike Corley
>> S/V Ranger
>> Hsampton Roads
>> 


From snstaum at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 21:24:23 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 21:24:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>

I will name Rose with the yahrzeits at our morning minyan tomorrow.

Zichrona Livracha, may her memory always be for a blessing.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:31 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.  I
> think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.  Rose and Stan were
> married for over 70 years.  For those of you who have visited Stan recently
> I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.  Lover - Wife -
> Partner.  I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.  Stan, I will be
> thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.
>
> Warmest regards,
> Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hsampton Roads
>

From jayf401 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 22:13:13 2021
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 22:13:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E1F864D-00E0-4E0E-9D8E-297D994561E8@gmail.com>

Michael, 
Thanks for acknowledging Rose and Elton. They are missed.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I will name Rose with the yahrzeits at our morning minyan tomorrow.
> 
> Zichrona Livracha, may her memory always be for a blessing.
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:31 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.  I
>> think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.  Rose and Stan were
>> married for over 70 years.  For those of you who have visited Stan recently
>> I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.  Lover - Wife -
>> Partner.  I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.  Stan, I will be
>> thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.
>> 
>> Warmest regards,
>> Mike Corley
>> S/V Ranger
>> Hsampton Roads
>> 

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Jun 16 22:19:26 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 21:19:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] As aging occurs
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY4ocSddtgddOT2jxoTK_SuOkK_EjALEbN8b_zx6qUKmTw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know a better way to broach this....
All the feelings exist, I try to be very sensitive.

Do we, as a community, have enough wherewithal or funds, or interest, to
make a documentary of professional quality to maintain the history BEFORE
.... things.....happen.

We (my crew) are relativity new to the R22, as.we sailed today with the
rail in the water, and later with reefs to cruise and eat lunch on the 3ft
waves, a great appreciation.   It's a great boat, a greater story....

We have all the content and lore, we should sustain this into the future.
 Maybe it can get the attention GB needs to keep going.

Very sensitively and respectfully,
Love y'all
Tom

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021, 8:24 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> I will name Rose with the yahrzeits at our morning minyan tomorrow.
>
> Zichrona Livracha, may her memory always be for a blessing.
>
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:31 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.  I
> > think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.  Rose and Stan
> were
> > married for over 70 years.  For those of you who have visited Stan
> recently
> > I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.  Lover - Wife -
> > Partner.  I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.  Stan, I will be
> > thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.
> >
> > Warmest regards,
> > Mike Corley
> > S/V Ranger
> > Hsampton Roads
> >
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 22:21:16 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 22:21:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2CF834A9-80C6-46DA-97CE-4B227EC2DD5B@gmail.com>

I will do the same at our services Friday night.

Frank

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I will name Rose with the yahrzeits at our morning minyan tomorrow.
> 
> Zichrona Livracha, may her memory always be for a blessing.
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
> 
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:31 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.  I
>> think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.  Rose and Stan were
>> married for over 70 years.  For those of you who have visited Stan recently
>> I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.  Lover - Wife -
>> Partner.  I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.  Stan, I will be
>> thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.
>> 
>> Warmest regards,
>> Mike Corley
>> S/V Ranger
>> Hsampton Roads
>> 


From forg3d at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 23:12:36 2021
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 22:12:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] As aging occurs
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY4ocSddtgddOT2jxoTK_SuOkK_EjALEbN8b_zx6qUKmTw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY4ocSddtgddOT2jxoTK_SuOkK_EjALEbN8b_zx6qUKmTw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B23C7C80-2003-4F23-97DC-3644677F282E@gmail.com>

I would be willing to pitch in on something like that.  Great idea!

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:19 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't know a better way to broach this....
> All the feelings exist, I try to be very sensitive.
> 
> Do we, as a community, have enough wherewithal or funds, or interest, to
> make a documentary of professional quality to maintain the history BEFORE
> .... things.....happen.
> 
> We (my crew) are relativity new to the R22, as.we sailed today with the
> rail in the water, and later with reefs to cruise and eat lunch on the 3ft
> waves, a great appreciation.   It's a great boat, a greater story....
> 
> We have all the content and lore, we should sustain this into the future.
> Maybe it can get the attention GB needs to keep going.
> 
> Very sensitively and respectfully,
> Love y'all
> Tom
> 
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021, 8:24 PM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I will name Rose with the yahrzeits at our morning minyan tomorrow.
>> 
>> Zichrona Livracha, may her memory always be for a blessing.
>> 
>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>> 
>> *Stephen Staum*
>> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:31 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.  I
>>> think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.  Rose and Stan
>> were
>>> married for over 70 years.  For those of you who have visited Stan
>> recently
>>> I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.  Lover - Wife -
>>> Partner.  I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.  Stan, I will be
>>> thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.
>>> 
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Mike Corley
>>> S/V Ranger
>>> Hsampton Roads
>>> 
>> 


From forg3d at gmail.com  Wed Jun 16 23:13:20 2021
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2021 22:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose
In-Reply-To: <2CF834A9-80C6-46DA-97CE-4B227EC2DD5B@gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <2CF834A9-80C6-46DA-97CE-4B227EC2DD5B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCBE27C7-459C-4F71-9FC5-78A2DD8DE7DE@gmail.com>

Will also name Rose at yahrzeit at services.

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:21 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I will do the same at our services Friday night.
> 
> Frank
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I will name Rose with the yahrzeits at our morning minyan tomorrow.
>> 
>> Zichrona Livracha, may her memory always be for a blessing.
>> 
>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>> 
>> *Stephen Staum*
>> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>> 
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:31 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.  I
>>> think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.  Rose and Stan were
>>> married for over 70 years.  For those of you who have visited Stan recently
>>> I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.  Lover - Wife -
>>> Partner.  I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.  Stan, I will be
>>> thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.
>>> 
>>> Warmest regards,
>>> Mike Corley
>>> S/V Ranger
>>> Hsampton Roads
>>> 
> 


From bgarrant at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 04:53:54 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 04:53:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] No Longer Boatless
In-Reply-To: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623781255835-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBCXRscBHqPavpPYv5XFS=tvw_Bf-THteKEjfKU6b9Yt0w@mail.gmail.com>

Great news! Great pictures!

Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie
Kent Island MD

On Tue, Jun 15, 2021 at 2:20 PM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> BIG thanks to Tino and Stan for finishing my boat over the weekend.
>
> ...and thanks to my friend who loaned me his brand new diesel to handle
> tthe
> six miles of truck lane to the top of Fancy Gap Mountain.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212521.jpg>
>
> AT EASE is now safe at home under the watchful eye of our guard dog.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_132150.jpg>
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Thu Jun 17 07:22:01 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 07:22:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose
In-Reply-To: <FCBE27C7-459C-4F71-9FC5-78A2DD8DE7DE@gmail.com>
References: <FCBE27C7-459C-4F71-9FC5-78A2DD8DE7DE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C7776231-C358-4A79-B53F-CC3FA36DA1D6@verizon.net>

Thank you Stan for sharing some of your wonderful experiences with Rose. They have given life to her memory in the hearts of many sailors, ours included.
Scott & Rebecca 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 16, 2021, at 11:13 PM, Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Will also name Rose at yahrzeit at services.
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:21 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I will do the same at our services Friday night.
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>>>> On Jun 16, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I will name Rose with the yahrzeits at our morning minyan tomorrow.
>>> 
>>> Zichrona Livracha, may her memory always be for a blessing.
>>> 
>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>>> 
>>> *Stephen Staum*
>>> *s/v Carol Lee 2*
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:31 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.  I
>>>> think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.  Rose and Stan were
>>>> married for over 70 years.  For those of you who have visited Stan recently
>>>> I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.  Lover - Wife -
>>>> Partner.  I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.  Stan, I will be
>>>> thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.
>>>> 
>>>> Warmest regards,
>>>> Mike Corley
>>>> S/V Ranger
>>>> Hsampton Roads
>>>> 
>> 
> 


From borderfolle at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 17 10:42:23 2021
From: borderfolle at yahoo.com (Donald Simons)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:42:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rose
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jLJUu7JNc5AqLKoNLXE+fgaQBvsrj9spfFcwPqFeN+7uw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_Fjc3YM+Gqnuf=dc6e9NUM_tYe_PgRWecMRCe7s4dZqYg-A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <636456427.628792.1623940943733@mail.yahoo.com>

 Stephen, what a nice sentiment!? Rose, was an amazing woman who was the perfect compliment to Stan.? Her memory is certainly a blessing.? My thoughts are with Stan today.
Don Simons,Ithaca, NY??
    On Wednesday, June 16, 2021, 09:24:38 PM EDT, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I will name Rose with the yahrzeits at our morning minyan tomorrow.

Zichrona Livracha, may her memory always be for a blessing.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Carol Lee 2*

On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 4:31 PM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> June 17th is the second anniversary of Stan's wife, Rose's passing.? I
> think it is important to remember Rose, and Elton too.? Rose and Stan were
> married for over 70 years.? For those of you who have visited Stan recently
> I am sure you have heard him reminisce about Rose.? Lover - Wife -
> Partner.? I cannot imagine the emptiness Stan feels.? Stan, I will be
> thinking of you, Rose, and Elton.
>
> Warmest regards,
> Mike Corley
> S/V Ranger
> Hsampton Roads
>
  

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Thu Jun 17 23:03:32 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2021 20:03:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
Message-ID: <1623985412554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Before when I?ve lowered my mast, I?ve had someone help by handling the 175
Genoa and CDI furler. 
Today while doing it myself, I basically let it slide along the deck as I
worked the crank on the winch. This didn?t work well. The Genoa got off to
the side on the spreader putting a lot of strain on the tube. I stopped
cranking and pulled the Genoa off the spreader and completely off the side
of the boat. After the mast was down, I realized the Genoa was not resting
in the cradle with the mast, but hanging from the top of the mast and laying
beside the boat. (Not feeling very bright at this moment!) I really didn?t
want to raise the mast again, so, out of plywood I cut a small Y shaped
support, attached it to a long pole, and lifted the Genoa up into the
cradle. 

Those of you who do this by yourself?what?s your technique for controlling
the Genoa as you lower the mast so it remains aligned with the mast and not
resting way out on a spreader?

Thanks for any advice,
George



-----
George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986
Lake Waccamaw NC
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From mike at traildesign.com  Fri Jun 18 00:22:48 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 00:22:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <1623985412554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623985412554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo8E0fiDhEY8TM1nietuSizmJ8irhFQTWNMSujA+kQZK4Q@mail.gmail.com>

I have the GB mast raising/lowering system which allows me to hold the
genoa in one hand and use the other for the crank while I lower the mast.
It works the same for raising it. Doing it this way also allows me to move
the genoa from one side or the other to compensate for any wind pushing
against the mast while it goes up or down.

Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:03 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Before when I?ve lowered my mast, I?ve had someone help by handling the 175
> Genoa and CDI furler.
> Today while doing it myself, I basically let it slide along the deck as I
> worked the crank on the winch. This didn?t work well. The Genoa got off to
> the side on the spreader putting a lot of strain on the tube. I stopped
> cranking and pulled the Genoa off the spreader and completely off the side
> of the boat. After the mast was down, I realized the Genoa was not resting
> in the cradle with the mast, but hanging from the top of the mast and
> laying
> beside the boat. (Not feeling very bright at this moment!) I really didn?t
> want to raise the mast again, so, out of plywood I cut a small Y shaped
> support, attached it to a long pole, and lifted the Genoa up into the
> cradle.
>
> Those of you who do this by yourself?what?s your technique for controlling
> the Genoa as you lower the mast so it remains aligned with the mast and not
> resting way out on a spreader?
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> George
>
>
>
> -----
> George Morgan
> S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> Lake Waccamaw NC
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Jun 18 07:28:42 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 06:28:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] potential trip to Milford,
	Kansas over Labor Day weekend
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqUzZ12NBbtudDn5ws=TvyCtDgG+Rg3Wf7u3LdD+oc_EA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris G.

I had planned to make a road trip with my R22 with some other sailors from
our club to a reservoir in Nebraska but they won't be available over Labor
Day weekend.  My friend and I are thinking about doing a road trip with my
R22 to a lake in Kansas instead for a few days around Labor Day.  I think
you said your son keeps one of your R22 fleet (ha!) in Milford.  I was
wondering if I might be able to chat with you or your son in order to get
some additional information in order to plan a trip there.  Do you think
you will have returned to Greece or still in the Midwest around that
timeframe?

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Jun 18 07:42:44 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 06:42:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo8E0fiDhEY8TM1nietuSizmJ8irhFQTWNMSujA+kQZK4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1623985412554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
 <CAAY+qo8E0fiDhEY8TM1nietuSizmJ8irhFQTWNMSujA+kQZK4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5htQ89uqpOJs6Tdo9YmW5=gO8NC+kQOo3-Oi4CA4sUHQ@mail.gmail.com>

There is a little clip on my mast to hook the furler on when it's not
installed on the bowplate.  I connect the whole thing to the mast when
raising and lowering.  I only have to carry the low end between the mast
base and the bow.
Hopefully that makes sense.

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 11:23 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> I have the GB mast raising/lowering system which allows me to hold the
> genoa in one hand and use the other for the crank while I lower the mast.
> It works the same for raising it. Doing it this way also allows me to move
> the genoa from one side or the other to compensate for any wind pushing
> against the mast while it goes up or down.
>
> Michael Riter
> SV Emma B
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:03 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Before when I?ve lowered my mast, I?ve had someone help by handling the
> 175
> > Genoa and CDI furler.
> > Today while doing it myself, I basically let it slide along the deck as I
> > worked the crank on the winch. This didn?t work well. The Genoa got off
> to
> > the side on the spreader putting a lot of strain on the tube. I stopped
> > cranking and pulled the Genoa off the spreader and completely off the
> side
> > of the boat. After the mast was down, I realized the Genoa was not
> resting
> > in the cradle with the mast, but hanging from the top of the mast and
> > laying
> > beside the boat. (Not feeling very bright at this moment!) I really
> didn?t
> > want to raise the mast again, so, out of plywood I cut a small Y shaped
> > support, attached it to a long pole, and lifted the Genoa up into the
> > cradle.
> >
> > Those of you who do this by yourself?what?s your technique for
> controlling
> > the Genoa as you lower the mast so it remains aligned with the mast and
> not
> > resting way out on a spreader?
> >
> > Thanks for any advice,
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > George Morgan
> > S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> > Lake Waccamaw NC
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 18 07:44:38 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:44:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail slide
References: <2E29A1FE-EFCB-4C3A-AF6A-457D3AD29788.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <2E29A1FE-EFCB-4C3A-AF6A-457D3AD29788@verizon.net>

Greetings all, I need to replace the slide and hardware for the mainsail. The original had a Harken block. Does it have to be fabricated or is anywhere to purchase it?

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Scott & Rebecca 86? Rhodes22 Pantalaimon 
Sent from my iPhone

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Fri Jun 18 08:14:01 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 08:14:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY5htQ89uqpOJs6Tdo9YmW5=gO8NC+kQOo3-Oi4CA4sUHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1623985412554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPi3tBBFjQTaEQY1j3WuAZz6vnyrpv4=4ff0q563X7E_HggBKg@mail.gmail.com>

I really appreciate the guidance in these particular emails. The forestay
on my boat broke at the top of the mask and the head seal came down.
Fortunately we were not under sale yet and it didn?t break anything when it
came down. When we raised it there was a challenge to keep the Genoa from
turning the mask cockeyed on its way up.
Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie, 2000/2017
Kent island MD

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:42 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> There is a little clip on my mast to hook the furler on when it's not
> installed on the bowplate.  I connect the whole thing to the mast when
> raising and lowering.  I only have to carry the low end between the mast
> base and the bow.
> Hopefully that makes sense.
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021, 11:23 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> > I have the GB mast raising/lowering system which allows me to hold the
> > genoa in one hand and use the other for the crank while I lower the mast.
> > It works the same for raising it. Doing it this way also allows me to
> move
> > the genoa from one side or the other to compensate for any wind pushing
> > against the mast while it goes up or down.
> >
> > Michael Riter
> > SV Emma B
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:03 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Before when I?ve lowered my mast, I?ve had someone help by handling the
> > 175
> > > Genoa and CDI furler.
> > > Today while doing it myself, I basically let it slide along the deck
> as I
> > > worked the crank on the winch. This didn?t work well. The Genoa got off
> > to
> > > the side on the spreader putting a lot of strain on the tube. I stopped
> > > cranking and pulled the Genoa off the spreader and completely off the
> > side
> > > of the boat. After the mast was down, I realized the Genoa was not
> > resting
> > > in the cradle with the mast, but hanging from the top of the mast and
> > > laying
> > > beside the boat. (Not feeling very bright at this moment!) I really
> > didn?t
> > > want to raise the mast again, so, out of plywood I cut a small Y shaped
> > > support, attached it to a long pole, and lifted the Genoa up into the
> > > cradle.
> > >
> > > Those of you who do this by yourself?what?s your technique for
> > controlling
> > > the Genoa as you lower the mast so it remains aligned with the mast and
> > not
> > > resting way out on a spreader?
> > >
> > > Thanks for any advice,
> > > George
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > > George Morgan
> > > S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> > > Lake Waccamaw NC
> > > --
> > > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> > >
> >
>

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Fri Jun 18 08:34:56 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 05:34:56 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY5htQ89uqpOJs6Tdo9YmW5=gO8NC+kQOo3-Oi4CA4sUHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1623985412554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <1624019696417-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Mike and Tom,

Thank you for your responses.

I do have a homemade version of the GBI crane and cradle system. I think my
winch may be different than what Stan used on his. When I?m bringing the
mast up, the winch has a ratchet brake allowing me to stop at any point and
let go of the handle. But when I?m lowering the mast I have to keep pressure
on the handle. If I want to stop the process I must flip a lever on the
winch to lock the handle. Is this how the GBI winch works?

Mike?your technique sounds doable unless I need a free hand to flip the
lever on the winch.

Tom?I might want to rig some way to attach the Genoa to the mast as you
mentioned. How high up the mast is your attachment? Do you have the CDI
furler?

Thanks,
George



-----
George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986
Lake Waccamaw NC
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Jun 18 09:33:39 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 13:33:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo8E0fiDhEY8TM1nietuSizmJ8irhFQTWNMSujA+kQZK4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1623985412554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>,
 <CAAY+qo8E0fiDhEY8TM1nietuSizmJ8irhFQTWNMSujA+kQZK4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920B47D5A86BA5087F01CDF800D9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Mike,

I have the GB raising/lowering system as well.   I take a Velcro strap or a sail tie and tie the furling tube to the mast low enough on the mast that you will be able to reach it once the mast is stepped.  A sail tie is a narrow strip of HD cloth used to tie down & compress a conventional mainsail onto the boom.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Mike Riter<mailto:mike at traildesign.com>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 12:23 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast

I have the GB mast raising/lowering system which allows me to hold the
genoa in one hand and use the other for the crank while I lower the mast.
It works the same for raising it. Doing it this way also allows me to move
the genoa from one side or the other to compensate for any wind pushing
against the mast while it goes up or down.

Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:03 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Before when I?ve lowered my mast, I?ve had someone help by handling the 175
> Genoa and CDI furler.
> Today while doing it myself, I basically let it slide along the deck as I
> worked the crank on the winch. This didn?t work well. The Genoa got off to
> the side on the spreader putting a lot of strain on the tube. I stopped
> cranking and pulled the Genoa off the spreader and completely off the side
> of the boat. After the mast was down, I realized the Genoa was not resting
> in the cradle with the mast, but hanging from the top of the mast and
> laying
> beside the boat. (Not feeling very bright at this moment!) I really didn?t
> want to raise the mast again, so, out of plywood I cut a small Y shaped
> support, attached it to a long pole, and lifted the Genoa up into the
> cradle.
>
> Those of you who do this by yourself?what?s your technique for controlling
> the Genoa as you lower the mast so it remains aligned with the mast and not
> resting way out on a spreader?
>
> Thanks for any advice,
> George
>
>
>
> -----
> George Morgan
> S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> Lake Waccamaw NC
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Jun 18 09:52:34 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 08:52:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920B47D5A86BA5087F01CDF800D9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1623985412554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5Mk9297SnLO9eLWAes3ZWiiP6PemXD+RdfucxuuKsGYw@mail.gmail.com>

My winch works in the same way you describe.

You can see my headsail attached to the mast in the below photo (I think)

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 8:33 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I have the GB raising/lowering system as well.   I take a Velcro strap or
> a sail tie and tie the furling tube to the mast low enough on the mast that
> you will be able to reach it once the mast is stepped.  A sail tie is a
> narrow strip of HD cloth used to tie down & compress a conventional
> mainsail onto the boom.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: Mike Riter<mailto:mike at traildesign.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 18, 2021 12:23 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
>
> I have the GB mast raising/lowering system which allows me to hold the
> genoa in one hand and use the other for the crank while I lower the mast.
> It works the same for raising it. Doing it this way also allows me to move
> the genoa from one side or the other to compensate for any wind pushing
> against the mast while it goes up or down.
>
> Michael Riter
> SV Emma B
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:03 PM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Before when I?ve lowered my mast, I?ve had someone help by handling the
> 175
> > Genoa and CDI furler.
> > Today while doing it myself, I basically let it slide along the deck as I
> > worked the crank on the winch. This didn?t work well. The Genoa got off
> to
> > the side on the spreader putting a lot of strain on the tube. I stopped
> > cranking and pulled the Genoa off the spreader and completely off the
> side
> > of the boat. After the mast was down, I realized the Genoa was not
> resting
> > in the cradle with the mast, but hanging from the top of the mast and
> > laying
> > beside the boat. (Not feeling very bright at this moment!) I really
> didn?t
> > want to raise the mast again, so, out of plywood I cut a small Y shaped
> > support, attached it to a long pole, and lifted the Genoa up into the
> > cradle.
> >
> > Those of you who do this by yourself?what?s your technique for
> controlling
> > the Genoa as you lower the mast so it remains aligned with the mast and
> not
> > resting way out on a spreader?
> >
> > Thanks for any advice,
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> > -----
> > George Morgan
> > S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> > Lake Waccamaw NC
> > --
> > Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >
>
>
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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Fri Jun 18 10:17:40 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:17:40 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
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Thanks Tom?.you must have the GBI furler. My CDI extends past the base of the
mast a couple of feet. I?m guessing I can still secure it to the mast as I
lower the mast. 

George



-----
George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986
Lake Waccamaw NC
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Fri Jun 18 10:29:17 2021
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (Gmorganflier)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 07:29:17 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader End Boots
Message-ID: <1624026557825-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

When I bought my boat it had canvas spreader end boots held on with straps.
My 175 Genoa would frequently get hung up on the spreader tips when tacking. 

I haven?t taken my boat back to the lake yet to try my new arrangement, but
hoping the new boots and roller solves my problem. The boots are secured
with exterior grade zip ties. 

Photos attached. The photo of the end cap is not the correct size?.our boats
take the medium. 

George

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/975D90D5-9723-4E29-B99D-2E3EC883D1D0.jpeg> 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t909/2EE23481-C4B5-4DEB-AA81-21BCFEC03600.jpeg> 



-----
George Morgan
S/V Knotty Lady 1986
Lake Waccamaw NC
--
Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Fri Jun 18 10:29:44 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 10:29:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <1624025860153-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623985412554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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Hi George,

To keep the top of the mast center line, hold on to the furler while you
crank the mast down.

Rick Lange

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 10:17 AM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Tom?.you must have the GBI furler. My CDI extends past the base of
> the
> mast a couple of feet. I?m guessing I can still secure it to the mast as I
> lower the mast.
>
> George
>
>
>
> -----
> George Morgan
> S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> Lake Waccamaw NC
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Jun 18 20:13:50 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 19:13:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] potential trip to Milford,
	Kansas over Labor Day weekend
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fqUzZ12NBbtudDn5ws=TvyCtDgG+Rg3Wf7u3LdD+oc_EA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fqUzZ12NBbtudDn5ws=TvyCtDgG+Rg3Wf7u3LdD+oc_EA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Jesse,
That sounds great. I won?t be back until mid late October but Nick will be
here to guide you. He is moving to a new house in two weeks so things are a
bit crazy. I?ll get you guys together electronically so things can be set
up. I know he would be excited about your visit.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis/Xenos

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 6:28 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris G.
>
> I had planned to make a road trip with my R22 with some other sailors from
> our club to a reservoir in Nebraska but they won't be available over Labor
> Day weekend.  My friend and I are thinking about doing a road trip with my
> R22 to a lake in Kansas instead for a few days around Labor Day.  I think
> you said your son keeps one of your R22 fleet (ha!) in Milford.  I was
> wondering if I might be able to chat with you or your son in order to get
> some additional information in order to plan a trip there.  Do you think
> you will have returned to Greece or still in the Midwest around that
> timeframe?
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Jun 18 22:48:44 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 21:48:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] potential trip to Milford,
	Kansas over Labor Day weekend
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWjaNr9PkMf=hDixoE+RssYj95zC72wgWxcKi0GOyJQSQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fqUzZ12NBbtudDn5ws=TvyCtDgG+Rg3Wf7u3LdD+oc_EA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpaS1BZ=tO7ppMYwsd3snjUL8kW7-14tGTF+9msgqhc5w@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Chris - there's no rush since things are pretty hectic at the moment
on my side as well and we have some time before labor day.  I look forward
to meeting Nick and it will be great to have some local advice to help with
planning.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:14 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Jesse,
> That sounds great. I won?t be back until mid late October but Nick will be
> here to guide you. He is moving to a new house in two weeks so things are a
> bit crazy. I?ll get you guys together electronically so things can be set
> up. I know he would be excited about your visit.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis/Xenos
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 6:28 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Chris G.
> >
> > I had planned to make a road trip with my R22 with some other sailors
> from
> > our club to a reservoir in Nebraska but they won't be available over
> Labor
> > Day weekend.  My friend and I are thinking about doing a road trip with
> my
> > R22 to a lake in Kansas instead for a few days around Labor Day.  I think
> > you said your son keeps one of your R22 fleet (ha!) in Milford.  I was
> > wondering if I might be able to chat with you or your son in order to get
> > some additional information in order to plan a trip there.  Do you think
> > you will have returned to Greece or still in the Midwest around that
> > timeframe?
> >
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
>

From mike at traildesign.com  Fri Jun 18 23:14:13 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 23:14:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Question about lowering the mast
In-Reply-To: <1624019696417-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1623985412554-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
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George the GB version uses a friction winch which can be used in either
direction without the ratchet, just turn the handle one way or the other.
It has friction plates inside that work like a clutch. You can let go at
any point and it won't move. That type of winch is kind of expensive, but
worth it for the ease of use.

Roger, I use ties to hold the furler to the mast once it's down, but it's
more than a foot longer than the mast and I have to tail it out with one
hand while raising or lowering or the sharp edges of the GB furler will
just drag across the foredeck.


Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 8:34 AM Gmorganflier <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Mike and Tom,
>
> Thank you for your responses.
>
> I do have a homemade version of the GBI crane and cradle system. I think my
> winch may be different than what Stan used on his. When I?m bringing the
> mast up, the winch has a ratchet brake allowing me to stop at any point and
> let go of the handle. But when I?m lowering the mast I have to keep
> pressure
> on the handle. If I want to stop the process I must flip a lever on the
> winch to lock the handle. Is this how the GBI winch works?
>
> Mike?your technique sounds doable unless I need a free hand to flip the
> lever on the winch.
>
> Tom?I might want to rig some way to attach the Genoa to the mast as you
> mentioned. How high up the mast is your attachment? Do you have the CDI
> furler?
>
> Thanks,
> George
>
>
>
> -----
> George Morgan
> S/V Knotty Lady 1986
> Lake Waccamaw NC
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From mike at traildesign.com  Fri Jun 18 23:18:06 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 23:18:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail slide
In-Reply-To: <2E29A1FE-EFCB-4C3A-AF6A-457D3AD29788@verizon.net>
References: <2E29A1FE-EFCB-4C3A-AF6A-457D3AD29788.ref@verizon.net>
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Message-ID: <CAAY+qo8Vva0bq3TTw9fLWEhXKQ7eCwf2pa=ABP+L=J48+Ycj3A@mail.gmail.com>

Scott, that's a pretty common item. General Boats should have the whole
assembly in stock. Give them a shout.


Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:44 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Greetings all, I need to replace the slide and hardware for the mainsail.
> The original had a Harken block. Does it have to be fabricated or is
> anywhere to purchase it?
>
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sat Jun 19 09:15:51 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 08:15:51 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail slide
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo8Vva0bq3TTw9fLWEhXKQ7eCwf2pa=ABP+L=J48+Ycj3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2E29A1FE-EFCB-4C3A-AF6A-457D3AD29788.ref@verizon.net>
 <2E29A1FE-EFCB-4C3A-AF6A-457D3AD29788@verizon.net>
 <CAAY+qo8Vva0bq3TTw9fLWEhXKQ7eCwf2pa=ABP+L=J48+Ycj3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY7JSZdhAoC2qm2iLny7o5-M1cBQL2YqmLCm_W5PBG-2rA@mail.gmail.com>

After my last escapade, of which the RCA seems to be not cleating the
inhaul sheet properly on the boom. This allowed the clew of the mainsail to
flop out and unfurl, allowing maniacal stress on the cars plate.

However it inspired my neighbor down the slip, who has a much older boat
(r22 tho) was inspired to update his outhaul.

He went with A nylon sail slide that fits the groove on the boom and a
dyneema soft shackle.   Said it was about $30 at west marine, most in the
shackle.    I haven't seen it in action, but he seems to like it so far.
(Ymmv)

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 10:18 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> Scott, that's a pretty common item. General Boats should have the whole
> assembly in stock. Give them a shout.
>
>
> Michael Riter
> SV Emma B
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:44 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Greetings all, I need to replace the slide and hardware for the mainsail.
> > The original had a Harken block. Does it have to be fabricated or is
> > anywhere to purchase it?
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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Sat Jun 19 09:49:32 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 06:49:32 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tow Vehicles
Message-ID: <1624110572248-0.post@n5.nabble.com>

Testing tow vehicles.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212428.jpg> 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_131945.jpg> 

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210617_121102.jpg> 

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA



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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sat Jun 19 09:54:18 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 08:54:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tow Vehicles
In-Reply-To: <1624110572248-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1624110572248-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3frMN-BisfKGriqvGX+cD32eySpODTHYiMTC5665BgMyBA@mail.gmail.com>

Lee, that's hilarious!

Jesse


On Sat, Jun 19, 2021, 8:49 AM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Testing tow vehicles.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212428.jpg>
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_131945.jpg>
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210617_121102.jpg>
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Sat Jun 19 10:08:39 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 10:08:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mainsail slide
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY7JSZdhAoC2qm2iLny7o5-M1cBQL2YqmLCm_W5PBG-2rA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7JSZdhAoC2qm2iLny7o5-M1cBQL2YqmLCm_W5PBG-2rA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <83B4469D-37EC-430D-AAF4-3EBD1750F162@verizon.net>

I like that idea, I was thinking of a temporary fix along those lines,thank!
Scott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2021, at 9:16 AM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> After my last escapade, of which the RCA seems to be not cleating the inhaul sheet properly on the boom. This allowed the clew of the mainsail to flop out and unfurl, allowing maniacal stress on the cars plate.
> 
> However it inspired my neighbor down the slip, who has a much older boat (r22 tho) was inspired to update his outhaul.
> 
> He went with A nylon sail slide that fits the groove on the boom and a dyneema soft shackle.   Said it was about $30 at west marine, most in the shackle.    I haven't seen it in action, but he seems to like it so far. (Ymmv)
> 
>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021, 10:18 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>> Scott, that's a pretty common item. General Boats should have the whole
>> assembly in stock. Give them a shout.
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Riter
>> SV Emma B
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 7:44 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > Greetings all, I need to replace the slide and hardware for the mainsail.
>> > The original had a Harken block. Does it have to be fabricated or is
>> > anywhere to purchase it?
>> >
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>> > Sent from my iPhone
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Sat Jun 19 18:32:15 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 22:32:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tow Vehicles
In-Reply-To: <1624110572248-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1624110572248-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB69850630629F1FE4151833A8C10C9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I vote for the green dragster.  But you might have a bit of a problem at the ramps.  Do they make a 4WD version? - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2021 9:49 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tow Vehicles

Testing tow vehicles.

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212428.jpg>

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_131945.jpg>

<http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210617_121102.jpg>

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA



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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jun 19 23:13:09 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 22:13:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tow Vehicles
In-Reply-To: <1624110572248-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1624110572248-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVFH0=WOhJKAoAc74dJ+Do_y9mbBCCGvqZuh_m-s9suAA@mail.gmail.com>

too funny!
Chris G.
Enosis/Zenos

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 8:49 AM Lee <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Testing tow vehicles.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212428.jpg>
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_131945.jpg>
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210617_121102.jpg>
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Jun 19 23:33:26 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 22:33:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUOwxy_ejFXACAOR5mrO_JoEncOwjuAU0ckpSegiMa6TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly the same
length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be arriving in
Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by myself
(unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the boat and
getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll spend a week
sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants to come
along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of July.
From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to Rhodes (an
island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about mid
September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting it to bed
in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more details on
that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like this and
enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.  I
created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed itinerary and
distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each of the
50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half I've
never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward to this
year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the itinerary if you
are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the document
should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start posting
stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around the
beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most challenging
yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are crossing
the Aegean.

Chris Geankoplis
S/V Enosis

Google Link:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing

From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Sat Jun 19 23:53:37 2021
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 23:53:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tow Vehicles
In-Reply-To: <1624110572248-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
References: <1624110572248-0.post@n5.nabble.com>
Message-ID: <53098.24.140.30.102.1624161217.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

I vote for #3. If the wind quits, you still have something fun to do! And
if you find it not up to the task, it is a great trader for a friends
truck that is. Just ask yourself what you want sitting in your driveway
for the other 363 days.

  Jerry Lowe






 Testing tow vehicles.
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210613_212428.jpg>
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210615_131945.jpg>
>
> <http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/file/t638/20210617_121102.jpg>
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
>
>
> --
> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>



From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 07:12:26 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 06:12:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUOwxy_ejFXACAOR5mrO_JoEncOwjuAU0ckpSegiMa6TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUOwxy_ejFXACAOR5mrO_JoEncOwjuAU0ckpSegiMa6TQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpqOxi30ZjHkzSeFkNDge-wXfoMFTTX_jHLs7qbzqy3Ew@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, it sounds like a well researched trip.  I'm looking forward to
hearing about this next chapter in your adventures!

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Sat, Jun 19, 2021 at 10:33 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly the same
> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be arriving in
> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by myself
> (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the boat and
> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll spend a week
> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants to come
> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of July.
> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to Rhodes (an
> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about mid
> September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting it to bed
> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more details on
> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like this and
> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.  I
> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed itinerary and
> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each of the
> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half I've
> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward to this
> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the itinerary if you
> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the document
> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start posting
> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around the
> beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most challenging
> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are crossing
> the Aegean.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> S/V Enosis
>
> Google Link:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 08:55:40 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 08:55:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUOwxy_ejFXACAOR5mrO_JoEncOwjuAU0ckpSegiMa6TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUOwxy_ejFXACAOR5mrO_JoEncOwjuAU0ckpSegiMa6TQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D55038E-1ACD-4DF5-80FD-FDEDB9928194@gmail.com>

Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You are an intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a fascinating way to spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look forward to following your progress.

Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t help but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about your boat?s name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??  Doesn?t that refer to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the name cause any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember once going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly handing the vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he indignantly slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There seemed to be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at least back then.  

Safe travels,

Frank

> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly the same
> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be arriving in
> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by myself
> (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the boat and
> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll spend a week
> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants to come
> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of July.
> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to Rhodes (an
> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about mid
> September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting it to bed
> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more details on
> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like this and
> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.  I
> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed itinerary and
> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each of the
> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half I've
> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward to this
> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the itinerary if you
> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the document
> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start posting
> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around the
> beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most challenging
> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are crossing
> the Aegean.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> S/V Enosis
> 
> Google Link:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing


From stan at generalboats.com  Sun Jun 20 09:48:34 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 09:48:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] TEST
Message-ID: <c3a5d294-315a-4fb5-be5b-d6421c710684@generalboats.com>

TEST

From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 09:56:24 2021
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 09:56:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] TEST
In-Reply-To: <c3a5d294-315a-4fb5-be5b-d6421c710684@generalboats.com>
References: <c3a5d294-315a-4fb5-be5b-d6421c710684@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <A33177BE-AD86-4566-995C-161B2D575408@gmail.com>

Roger that.

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 9:48 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?TEST

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 10:12:49 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 10:12:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] TEST
In-Reply-To: <c3a5d294-315a-4fb5-be5b-d6421c710684@generalboats.com>
References: <c3a5d294-315a-4fb5-be5b-d6421c710684@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <786067A9-36F0-4E82-88C9-20615E6311B6@gmail.com>

Received.  

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 9:48 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> TEST


From sea20 at verizon.net  Sun Jun 20 11:19:54 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 11:19:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] TEST
In-Reply-To: <786067A9-36F0-4E82-88C9-20615E6311B6@gmail.com>
References: <786067A9-36F0-4E82-88C9-20615E6311B6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12075617-4127-43D6-874C-AE2EE3482852@verizon.net>

Received 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Received.  
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2021, at 9:48 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> 
>> TEST
> 


From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Jun 20 14:51:01 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 14:51:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
References: <2CA05F70-2515-4442-A823-20E1179630EC.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2CA05F70-2515-4442-A823-20E1179630EC@aol.com>

Did anyone ever have this happen? And would you one what the material is and where I can get it?

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From rob.o.baldi at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 16:38:17 2021
From: rob.o.baldi at gmail.com (Robert Baldi)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 16:38:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Lift
Message-ID: <CACJaSPLa4hApqhHCGwj_Q_XyJWA-h+L_rph_2FjEX=0UZOhWkg@mail.gmail.com>

I would like to thank everyone for their response. I followed your leads,
exchanged an email with our Hero Stan, and Charles gave me great
information. Today, Father?s Day, a power boater 5 slips down from me took
my switch apart, we sprayed it with Marine  CRC and it is working again. I
greatly appreciated his offer to help because I have very little hands on
experience with marine motors. With luck I will get through the season and
consider replacement over the winter.Happy Fathers Day to all. It is great
to be part of a boating community that wants to help each other out.
rob
( I notice I am not the only one to sign off with ?rob?. But these are my
initials)
-- 
rob

From my IPad
Robert O. Baldi

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun Jun 20 18:14:52 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 22:14:52 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
In-Reply-To: <2CA05F70-2515-4442-A823-20E1179630EC@aol.com>
References: <2CA05F70-2515-4442-A823-20E1179630EC.ref@aol.com>,
 <2CA05F70-2515-4442-A823-20E1179630EC@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69205BEE2110F97177B5179E800B9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Thomas,

The GBI rudder head is made of PVC.  Even a UV stabilized grade of PVC will eventually become embrittled by sunlight exposure.  That?s what it  looks like happened to yours.  Stan will sell you a new one.  Or, you might consider purchasing a piece of black ultra high molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) and using your old rudder head as a template.  UHMWPE can  be cut and shaped with wood working tools.  My rudder head is 25+ years old and shows no signs of sun exposure.  Try US Plastics, McMaster-Carr, or Grainger for UHMWPE. 

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 2:51 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Did anyone ever have this happen? And would you one what the material is and where I can get it?
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Jun 20 18:16:55 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:16:55 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
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Would, in theory, this part be covered under ROC? Assuming he was holding
an email from Stan acknowledge his membership? (There is nothing more
official, correct? It what I have, and I save the email!)

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Thomas,
>
> The GBI rudder head is made of PVC.  Even a UV stabilized grade of PVC
> will eventually become embrittled by sunlight exposure.  That?s what it
> looks like happened to yours.  Stan will sell you a new one.  Or, you might
> consider purchasing a piece of black ultra high molecular weight
> polyethylene (UHMWPE) and using your old rudder head as a template.  UHMWPE
> can  be cut and shaped with wood working tools.  My rudder head is 25+
> years old and shows no signs of sun exposure.  Try US Plastics,
> McMaster-Carr, or Grainger for UHMWPE.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 20, 2021, at 2:51 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?Did anyone ever have this happen? And would you one what the material
> is and where I can get it?
> >
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> > URL: <
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210620/cbef6152/attachment.jpg
> >
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun Jun 20 19:25:41 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:25:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
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Tom,

I have a very official looking certificate from Stan that was USPS snail mailed to me.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Would, in theory, this part be covered under ROC? Assuming he was holding
> an email from Stan acknowledge his membership? (There is nothing more
> official, correct? It what I have, and I save the email!)
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thomas,
>> 
>> The GBI rudder head is made of PVC.  Even a UV stabilized grade of PVC
>> will eventually become embrittled by sunlight exposure.  That?s what it
>> looks like happened to yours.  Stan will sell you a new one.  Or, you might
>> consider purchasing a piece of black ultra high molecular weight
>> polyethylene (UHMWPE) and using your old rudder head as a template.  UHMWPE
>> can  be cut and shaped with wood working tools.  My rudder head is 25+
>> years old and shows no signs of sun exposure.  Try US Plastics,
>> McMaster-Carr, or Grainger for UHMWPE.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2021, at 2:51 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Did anyone ever have this happen? And would you one what the material
>> is and where I can get it?
>>> 
>>> -------------- next part --------------
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>>> Size: 595238 bytes
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>>> URL: <
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210620/cbef6152/attachment.jpg
>>> 
>> 

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Jun 20 19:31:18 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 18:31:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
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Oooooooo.     Stan?. ;)
I almost fell off the bow this weekend, and the awesome build of the the
bow pulpit allowed me to spin around like a Trappist, not the monk... I had
an IPA, the uneven bars anyways...

Time for making some better docking lines....

Hope everyone is enjoying father's day.



On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 6:25 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> I have a very official looking certificate from Stan that was USPS snail
> mailed to me.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 20, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Would, in theory, this part be covered under ROC? Assuming he was
> holding
> > an email from Stan acknowledge his membership? (There is nothing more
> > official, correct? It what I have, and I save the email!)
> >
> >> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thomas,
> >>
> >> The GBI rudder head is made of PVC.  Even a UV stabilized grade of PVC
> >> will eventually become embrittled by sunlight exposure.  That?s what it
> >> looks like happened to yours.  Stan will sell you a new one.  Or, you
> might
> >> consider purchasing a piece of black ultra high molecular weight
> >> polyethylene (UHMWPE) and using your old rudder head as a template.
> UHMWPE
> >> can  be cut and shaped with wood working tools.  My rudder head is 25+
> >> years old and shows no signs of sun exposure.  Try US Plastics,
> >> McMaster-Carr, or Grainger for UHMWPE.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 20, 2021, at 2:51 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Did anyone ever have this happen? And would you one what the material
> >> is and where I can get it?
> >>>
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >>> Name: IMG_4986.jpg
> >>> Type: image/jpeg
> >>> Size: 595238 bytes
> >>> Desc: not available
> >>> URL: <
> >>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210620/cbef6152/attachment.jpg
> >>>
> >>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 20:14:28 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 19:14:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
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Dang Frank,
                  You are well informed.  Indeed during the Junta that was
often how Enosis was used.  Didn't think very few people (other than the
Cypriots, knew this.  Yes it might be a problem.  I named the boat dwith
the older root word in mind. "a coming together to make (one) complete." it
is a base for such words as Gnosticism,   So you will probably see some
alteration in the name involving peeling off a letter or two.  Maybe I
shall just remove the "E" and the last "S",  leaving me with "Nosi" a
homonym for a snoopy boat.  Or I see its meaning in the Bosnian language is
a verb, "wears".  But I think I might just go with a language I know. ENO,
 "and no".  A response to the political meaning of Enosis.  In truth, the
Turks could make a strong argument for their invasion in '74.  Shortly
before that time, I talked to a number of young Greek Cypriots who
gleefully relate how they would sneek into a Turkish village and rape the
girls there.  It seemed they shared the same attitude that some Serbians
had 15 years later.
Anyway, to a more positive subject, it will be the most challenging sail
with Enosis.  I'm not really worried about the Ionian but the Aegean is
another matter.   I've sailed the Aegean in the summer a number of times,
most recently in a British built little 22' Pandora.  It was an  old fixed
keel VanDe Staat  designed boat built for the north sea.  So, I might be
biting off more than I can chew (well we can chew) but we will just have to
get used to waiting for a window or doing some very early morning sailing
in the dark.  This will probably be our last year with Enosis as Alice has
some health issues and really doesn't enjoy the long flights over and
back.  We intend to put it up for sale and hopefully someone(s) will buy
her and have as much fun sailing her as we have.

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis or ENO, or NOSI, or I just thought of "Sis" which is a Greek prefix
indicating doing or action sort of like "ing" in English.

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You are an
> intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a fascinating way to
> spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look forward to following your
> progress.
>
> Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t help
> but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about your boat?s
> name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??  Doesn?t that refer
> to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the name cause
> any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember once
> going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly handing the
> vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he indignantly
> slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There seemed to
> be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at least
> back then.
>
> Safe travels,
>
> Frank
>
> > On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly the
> same
> > length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be arriving
> in
> > Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by myself
> > (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the boat and
> > getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll spend a
> week
> > sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants to
> come
> > along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of July.
> > From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to Rhodes (an
> > island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about mid
> > September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting it to
> bed
> > in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more details
> on
> > that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like this and
> > enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.  I
> > created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed itinerary and
> > distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each of the
> > 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half I've
> > never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward to
> this
> > year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the itinerary if
> you
> > are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the document
> > should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start posting
> > stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around the
> > beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most challenging
> > yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are crossing
> > the Aegean.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > S/V Enosis
> >
> > Google Link:
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 20:15:26 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 19:15:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] TEST
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Somebody is testy.

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 10:20 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Received
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 20, 2021, at 10:12 AM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Received.
> >
> >> On Jun 20, 2021, at 9:48 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> TEST
> >
>
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 20:23:34 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 20:23:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] TEST
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Positive? it?s a girl ? congratulations?.

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 9:48 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> TEST
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 21:16:17 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 20:16:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Better Med Sailing Itinary
Message-ID: <CADNTwiV=A-SHFC=Ym-q9iMSnSbGWLP3sgorZ2JOMjWNYCV9GoA@mail.gmail.com>

So after some technical confusion, I have revised the file on sailing the
Med in a Rhodes and reduced its size way down so it should load a
lot better.  Again it should be viewed at around 170% on a computer.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vobVnebPjB9j_UgwU5GKK7k1W-OX857m/view?usp=sharing

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sun Jun 20 22:08:23 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 22:08:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
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Message-ID: <5254E00F-27CB-433A-AAC5-33985F8E9946@gmail.com>

Chris,

No, I am not really so well informed, and I certainly don?t know all the nuances and permutations of  ??????.  I have very little Greek, really nothing above phrasebook level.  Years ago I could go into a shop, ask the price of something, and understand the answer provided I didn?t have to count too high!  Frankly I don?t remember much of that now.  

This exchange reminds me, though, that I gave my first boat, a Cal 27 I kept in Oriental, NC, a Greek name.  I had become acquainted with a restaurant in Big Sur named Nepenthe while stationed in California with the Army, and upon learning that the name referred to a mythical potion to cure one?s troubles (or something like that), I had ???????? stenciled on the stern under the English name.  It was a good boat and fulfilled that purpose ? except when I had to drive several hundred miles from the mountains to the coast for maintenance.  

I can?t wait to follow your journey this summer.  

Best,

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dang Frank,
>                  You are well informed.  Indeed during the Junta that was
> often how Enosis was used.  Didn't think very few people (other than the
> Cypriots, knew this.  Yes it might be a problem.  I named the boat dwith
> the older root word in mind. "a coming together to make (one) complete." it
> is a base for such words as Gnosticism,   So you will probably see some
> alteration in the name involving peeling off a letter or two.  Maybe I
> shall just remove the "E" and the last "S",  leaving me with "Nosi" a
> homonym for a snoopy boat.  Or I see its meaning in the Bosnian language is
> a verb, "wears".  But I think I might just go with a language I know. ENO,
> "and no".  A response to the political meaning of Enosis.  In truth, the
> Turks could make a strong argument for their invasion in '74.  Shortly
> before that time, I talked to a number of young Greek Cypriots who
> gleefully relate how they would sneek into a Turkish village and rape the
> girls there.  It seemed they shared the same attitude that some Serbians
> had 15 years later.
> Anyway, to a more positive subject, it will be the most challenging sail
> with Enosis.  I'm not really worried about the Ionian but the Aegean is
> another matter.   I've sailed the Aegean in the summer a number of times,
> most recently in a British built little 22' Pandora.  It was an  old fixed
> keel VanDe Staat  designed boat built for the north sea.  So, I might be
> biting off more than I can chew (well we can chew) but we will just have to
> get used to waiting for a window or doing some very early morning sailing
> in the dark.  This will probably be our last year with Enosis as Alice has
> some health issues and really doesn't enjoy the long flights over and
> back.  We intend to put it up for sale and hopefully someone(s) will buy
> her and have as much fun sailing her as we have.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis or ENO, or NOSI, or I just thought of "Sis" which is a Greek prefix
> indicating doing or action sort of like "ing" in English.
> 
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You are an
>> intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a fascinating way to
>> spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look forward to following your
>> progress.
>> 
>> Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t help
>> but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about your boat?s
>> name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??  Doesn?t that refer
>> to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the name cause
>> any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember once
>> going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly handing the
>> vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he indignantly
>> slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There seemed to
>> be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at least
>> back then.
>> 
>> Safe travels,
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly the
>> same
>>> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be arriving
>> in
>>> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by myself
>>> (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the boat and
>>> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll spend a
>> week
>>> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants to
>> come
>>> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of July.
>>> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to Rhodes (an
>>> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about mid
>>> September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting it to
>> bed
>>> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more details
>> on
>>> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like this and
>>> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.  I
>>> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed itinerary and
>>> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each of the
>>> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half I've
>>> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward to
>> this
>>> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the itinerary if
>> you
>>> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the document
>>> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start posting
>>> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around the
>>> beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most challenging
>>> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are crossing
>>> the Aegean.
>>> 
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> S/V Enosis
>>> 
>>> Google Link:
>>> 
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing
>> 
>> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sun Jun 20 23:24:16 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:24:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
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Thomas,

How did you crack the rudder cheek? Did you back into something? I would
think that the tiller would break before the rudder cheek.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of THOMAS
POLISE via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:51 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure

Did anyone ever have this happen? And would you one what the material is and
where I can get it?

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From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:25:35 -0400
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Roger,

I have never seen the actual certificate. Could you post an image?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 7:26 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure

Tom,

I have a very official looking certificate from Stan that was USPS snail mailed to me.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Would, in theory, this part be covered under ROC? Assuming he was 
> holding an email from Stan acknowledge his membership? (There is 
> nothing more official, correct? It what I have, and I save the email!)
> 
>> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thomas,
>> 
>> The GBI rudder head is made of PVC.  Even a UV stabilized grade of 
>> PVC will eventually become embrittled by sunlight exposure.  That?s 
>> what it looks like happened to yours.  Stan will sell you a new one.  
>> Or, you might consider purchasing a piece of black ultra high 
>> molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) and using your old rudder head 
>> as a template.  UHMWPE can  be cut and shaped with wood working 
>> tools.  My rudder head is 25+ years old and shows no signs of sun 
>> exposure.  Try US Plastics, McMaster-Carr, or Grainger for UHMWPE.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 20, 2021, at 2:51 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Did anyone ever have this happen? And would you one what the 
>>> material
>> is and where I can get it?
>>> 
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>>> 
>> 


From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Jun 20 23:30:08 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:30:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
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I didn?t bump into anything it just snapped.  I noticed that It had been bending quite a bit recently.  

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 11:24 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thomas,
> 
> How did you crack the rudder cheek? Did you back into something? I would
> think that the tiller would break before the rudder cheek.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of THOMAS
> POLISE via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 2:51 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
> 
> Did anyone ever have this happen? And would you one what the material is and
> where I can get it?
> 
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> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 01:07:27 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 00:07:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
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I look forward to having all my fellow travelers along for the ride in
spirit. Thanks for a bit of insight.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 9:08 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> No, I am not really so well informed, and I certainly don?t know all the
> nuances and permutations of  ??????.  I have very little Greek, really
> nothing above phrasebook level.  Years ago I could go into a shop, ask the
> price of something, and understand the answer provided I didn?t have to
> count too high!  Frankly I don?t remember much of that now.
>
> This exchange reminds me, though, that I gave my first boat, a Cal 27 I
> kept in Oriental, NC, a Greek name.  I had become acquainted with a
> restaurant in Big Sur named Nepenthe while stationed in California with the
> Army, and upon learning that the name referred to a mythical potion to cure
> one?s troubles (or something like that), I had ???????? stenciled on the
> stern under the English name.  It was a good boat and fulfilled that
> purpose ? except when I had to drive several hundred miles from the
> mountains to the coast for maintenance.
>
> I can?t wait to follow your journey this summer.
>
> Best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
>
> > On Jun 20, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dang Frank,
> >                  You are well informed.  Indeed during the Junta that was
> > often how Enosis was used.  Didn't think very few people (other than the
> > Cypriots, knew this.  Yes it might be a problem.  I named the boat dwith
> > the older root word in mind. "a coming together to make (one) complete."
> it
> > is a base for such words as Gnosticism,   So you will probably see some
> > alteration in the name involving peeling off a letter or two.  Maybe I
> > shall just remove the "E" and the last "S",  leaving me with "Nosi" a
> > homonym for a snoopy boat.  Or I see its meaning in the Bosnian language
> is
> > a verb, "wears".  But I think I might just go with a language I know.
> ENO,
> > "and no".  A response to the political meaning of Enosis.  In truth, the
> > Turks could make a strong argument for their invasion in '74.  Shortly
> > before that time, I talked to a number of young Greek Cypriots who
> > gleefully relate how they would sneek into a Turkish village and rape the
> > girls there.  It seemed they shared the same attitude that some Serbians
> > had 15 years later.
> > Anyway, to a more positive subject, it will be the most challenging sail
> > with Enosis.  I'm not really worried about the Ionian but the Aegean is
> > another matter.   I've sailed the Aegean in the summer a number of times,
> > most recently in a British built little 22' Pandora.  It was an  old
> fixed
> > keel VanDe Staat  designed boat built for the north sea.  So, I might be
> > biting off more than I can chew (well we can chew) but we will just have
> to
> > get used to waiting for a window or doing some very early morning sailing
> > in the dark.  This will probably be our last year with Enosis as Alice
> has
> > some health issues and really doesn't enjoy the long flights over and
> > back.  We intend to put it up for sale and hopefully someone(s) will buy
> > her and have as much fun sailing her as we have.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis or ENO, or NOSI, or I just thought of "Sis" which is a Greek
> prefix
> > indicating doing or action sort of like "ing" in English.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You are an
> >> intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a fascinating way to
> >> spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look forward to following your
> >> progress.
> >>
> >> Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t help
> >> but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about your boat?s
> >> name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??  Doesn?t that
> refer
> >> to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the name
> cause
> >> any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember once
> >> going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly handing
> the
> >> vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he
> indignantly
> >> slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There seemed
> to
> >> be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at least
> >> back then.
> >>
> >> Safe travels,
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly the
> >> same
> >>> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be
> arriving
> >> in
> >>> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by myself
> >>> (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the boat
> and
> >>> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll spend a
> >> week
> >>> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants to
> >> come
> >>> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of July.
> >>> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to Rhodes
> (an
> >>> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about mid
> >>> September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting it to
> >> bed
> >>> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more details
> >> on
> >>> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like this
> and
> >>> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.
> I
> >>> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed itinerary
> and
> >>> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each of
> the
> >>> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half
> I've
> >>> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward to
> >> this
> >>> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the itinerary if
> >> you
> >>> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the
> document
> >>> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start posting
> >>> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around the
> >>> beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most
> challenging
> >>> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are
> crossing
> >>> the Aegean.
> >>>
> >>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>> S/V Enosis
> >>>
> >>> Google Link:
> >>>
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing
> >>
> >>
>
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Jun 21 10:25:34 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:25:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Owner's Coop Certificate
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[cid:image003.jpg at 01D76687.C3128D30]Mike,

The attached image is a copy of my Rhodes Owner?s Certificate.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 11:25 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure

Roger,

I have never seen the actual certificate. Could you post an image?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 7:26 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure

Tom,

I have a very official looking certificate from Stan that was USPS snail mailed to me.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> ?Would, in theory, this part be covered under ROC? Assuming he was
> holding an email from Stan acknowledge his membership? (There is
> nothing more official, correct? It what I have, and I save the email!)
>
>> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thomas,
>>
>> The GBI rudder head is made of PVC.  Even a UV stabilized grade of
>> PVC will eventually become embrittled by sunlight exposure.  That?s
>> what it looks like happened to yours.  Stan will sell you a new one.
>> Or, you might consider purchasing a piece of black ultra high
>> molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) and using your old rudder head
>> as a template.  UHMWPE can  be cut and shaped with wood working
>> tools.  My rudder head is 25+ years old and shows no signs of sun
>> exposure.  Try US Plastics, McMaster-Carr, or Grainger for UHMWPE.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2021, at 2:51 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Did anyone ever have this happen? And would you one what the
>>> material
>> is and where I can get it?
>>>
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From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 14:22:53 2021
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:22:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes Owner's Coop Certificate
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Lol! I think you are the only one with one! But us certificate of support people paid the fee all the same. Lol

> On Jun 21, 2021, at 10:25 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?[cid:image003.jpg at 01D76687.C3128D30]Mike,
> 
> The attached image is a copy of my Rhodes Owner?s Certificate.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
> 
> From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 11:25 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
> 
> Roger,
> 
> I have never seen the actual certificate. Could you post an image?
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Sunday, June 20, 2021 7:26 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
> 
> Tom,
> 
> I have a very official looking certificate from Stan that was USPS snail mailed to me.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Would, in theory, this part be covered under ROC? Assuming he was
>> holding an email from Stan acknowledge his membership? (There is
>> nothing more official, correct? It what I have, and I save the email!)
>> 
>>>> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021, 5:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thomas,
>>> 
>>> The GBI rudder head is made of PVC.  Even a UV stabilized grade of
>>> PVC will eventually become embrittled by sunlight exposure.  That?s
>>> what it looks like happened to yours.  Stan will sell you a new one.
>>> Or, you might consider purchasing a piece of black ultra high
>>> molecular weight polyethylene (UHMWPE) and using your old rudder head
>>> as a template.  UHMWPE can  be cut and shaped with wood working
>>> tools.  My rudder head is 25+ years old and shows no signs of sun
>>> exposure.  Try US Plastics, McMaster-Carr, or Grainger for UHMWPE.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 20, 2021, at 2:51 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Did anyone ever have this happen? And would you one what the
>>>> material
>>> is and where I can get it?
>>>> 
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>>>> scrubbed...
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>>>> 
>>> 
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Jun 21 22:59:56 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 21:59:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] potential trip to Milford,
	Kansas over Labor Day weekend
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Just got back from my first sail on Millford on the Rhodes.  Perfect.
 winds 12-15 gust in the 20's.  I forgot how challenging lake sailing was.
 65% main and 35%  jib. temps in the upper 70's.  Just an all around
fun lake to sail on.

Chris G
Xenos (in this case)

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 6:28 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris G.
>
> I had planned to make a road trip with my R22 with some other sailors from
> our club to a reservoir in Nebraska but they won't be available over Labor
> Day weekend.  My friend and I are thinking about doing a road trip with my
> R22 to a lake in Kansas instead for a few days around Labor Day.  I think
> you said your son keeps one of your R22 fleet (ha!) in Milford.  I was
> wondering if I might be able to chat with you or your son in order to get
> some additional information in order to plan a trip there.  Do you think
> you will have returned to Greece or still in the Midwest around that
> timeframe?
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 10:10:29 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 09:10:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
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Ah,
    I recall now my inspiration for the name ?Enosis ?. See attachment
(grin).  Actually pretty bad stuff.   Chris Geankoplis. S/V Enosis

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 9:08 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> No, I am not really so well informed, and I certainly don?t know all the
> nuances and permutations of  ??????.  I have very little Greek, really
> nothing above phrasebook level.  Years ago I could go into a shop, ask the
> price of something, and understand the answer provided I didn?t have to
> count too high!  Frankly I don?t remember much of that now.
>
> This exchange reminds me, though, that I gave my first boat, a Cal 27 I
> kept in Oriental, NC, a Greek name.  I had become acquainted with a
> restaurant in Big Sur named Nepenthe while stationed in California with the
> Army, and upon learning that the name referred to a mythical potion to cure
> one?s troubles (or something like that), I had ???????? stenciled on the
> stern under the English name.  It was a good boat and fulfilled that
> purpose ? except when I had to drive several hundred miles from the
> mountains to the coast for maintenance.
>
> I can?t wait to follow your journey this summer.
>
> Best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
>
> > On Jun 20, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dang Frank,
> >                  You are well informed.  Indeed during the Junta that was
> > often how Enosis was used.  Didn't think very few people (other than the
> > Cypriots, knew this.  Yes it might be a problem.  I named the boat dwith
> > the older root word in mind. "a coming together to make (one) complete."
> it
> > is a base for such words as Gnosticism,   So you will probably see some
> > alteration in the name involving peeling off a letter or two.  Maybe I
> > shall just remove the "E" and the last "S",  leaving me with "Nosi" a
> > homonym for a snoopy boat.  Or I see its meaning in the Bosnian language
> is
> > a verb, "wears".  But I think I might just go with a language I know.
> ENO,
> > "and no".  A response to the political meaning of Enosis.  In truth, the
> > Turks could make a strong argument for their invasion in '74.  Shortly
> > before that time, I talked to a number of young Greek Cypriots who
> > gleefully relate how they would sneek into a Turkish village and rape the
> > girls there.  It seemed they shared the same attitude that some Serbians
> > had 15 years later.
> > Anyway, to a more positive subject, it will be the most challenging sail
> > with Enosis.  I'm not really worried about the Ionian but the Aegean is
> > another matter.   I've sailed the Aegean in the summer a number of times,
> > most recently in a British built little 22' Pandora.  It was an  old
> fixed
> > keel VanDe Staat  designed boat built for the north sea.  So, I might be
> > biting off more than I can chew (well we can chew) but we will just have
> to
> > get used to waiting for a window or doing some very early morning sailing
> > in the dark.  This will probably be our last year with Enosis as Alice
> has
> > some health issues and really doesn't enjoy the long flights over and
> > back.  We intend to put it up for sale and hopefully someone(s) will buy
> > her and have as much fun sailing her as we have.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis or ENO, or NOSI, or I just thought of "Sis" which is a Greek
> prefix
> > indicating doing or action sort of like "ing" in English.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You are an
> >> intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a fascinating way to
> >> spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look forward to following your
> >> progress.
> >>
> >> Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t help
> >> but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about your boat?s
> >> name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??  Doesn?t that
> refer
> >> to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the name
> cause
> >> any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember once
> >> going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly handing
> the
> >> vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he
> indignantly
> >> slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There seemed
> to
> >> be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at least
> >> back then.
> >>
> >> Safe travels,
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly the
> >> same
> >>> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be
> arriving
> >> in
> >>> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by myself
> >>> (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the boat
> and
> >>> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll spend a
> >> week
> >>> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants to
> >> come
> >>> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of July.
> >>> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to Rhodes
> (an
> >>> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about mid
> >>> September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting it to
> >> bed
> >>> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more details
> >> on
> >>> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like this
> and
> >>> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.
> I
> >>> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed itinerary
> and
> >>> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each of
> the
> >>> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half
> I've
> >>> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward to
> >> this
> >>> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the itinerary if
> >> you
> >>> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the
> document
> >>> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start posting
> >>> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around the
> >>> beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most
> challenging
> >>> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are
> crossing
> >>> the Aegean.
> >>>
> >>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>> S/V Enosis
> >>>
> >>> Google Link:
> >>>
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing
> >>
> >>
>
>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jun 22 10:47:01 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:47:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
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Chris,

Traditionally, boats are named after goddesses, beautiful women or mythical figures. Of course, ancient tradition says that women on ships were bad luck and rarely put to sea. Then again, the sea is the captain's mistress. Tell me again about your inspiration.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 10:10 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3

Ah,
    I recall now my inspiration for the name ?Enosis ?. See attachment
(grin).  Actually pretty bad stuff.   Chris Geankoplis. S/V Enosis

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 9:08 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> No, I am not really so well informed, and I certainly don?t know all 
> the nuances and permutations of  ??????.  I have very little Greek, 
> really nothing above phrasebook level.  Years ago I could go into a 
> shop, ask the price of something, and understand the answer provided I 
> didn?t have to count too high!  Frankly I don?t remember much of that now.
>
> This exchange reminds me, though, that I gave my first boat, a Cal 27 
> I kept in Oriental, NC, a Greek name.  I had become acquainted with a 
> restaurant in Big Sur named Nepenthe while stationed in California 
> with the Army, and upon learning that the name referred to a mythical 
> potion to cure one?s troubles (or something like that), I had ???????? 
> stenciled on the stern under the English name.  It was a good boat and 
> fulfilled that purpose ? except when I had to drive several hundred 
> miles from the mountains to the coast for maintenance.
>
> I can?t wait to follow your journey this summer.
>
> Best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
>
> > On Jun 20, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Chris Geankoplis 
> > <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dang Frank,
> >                  You are well informed.  Indeed during the Junta 
> > that was often how Enosis was used.  Didn't think very few people 
> > (other than the Cypriots, knew this.  Yes it might be a problem.  I 
> > named the boat dwith the older root word in mind. "a coming together to make (one) complete."
> it
> > is a base for such words as Gnosticism,   So you will probably see some
> > alteration in the name involving peeling off a letter or two.  Maybe 
> > I shall just remove the "E" and the last "S",  leaving me with 
> > "Nosi" a homonym for a snoopy boat.  Or I see its meaning in the 
> > Bosnian language
> is
> > a verb, "wears".  But I think I might just go with a language I know.
> ENO,
> > "and no".  A response to the political meaning of Enosis.  In truth, 
> > the Turks could make a strong argument for their invasion in '74.  
> > Shortly before that time, I talked to a number of young Greek 
> > Cypriots who gleefully relate how they would sneek into a Turkish 
> > village and rape the girls there.  It seemed they shared the same 
> > attitude that some Serbians had 15 years later.
> > Anyway, to a more positive subject, it will be the most challenging 
> > sail with Enosis.  I'm not really worried about the Ionian but the Aegean is
> > another matter.   I've sailed the Aegean in the summer a number of times,
> > most recently in a British built little 22' Pandora.  It was an  old
> fixed
> > keel VanDe Staat  designed boat built for the north sea.  So, I 
> > might be biting off more than I can chew (well we can chew) but we 
> > will just have
> to
> > get used to waiting for a window or doing some very early morning 
> > sailing in the dark.  This will probably be our last year with 
> > Enosis as Alice
> has
> > some health issues and really doesn't enjoy the long flights over 
> > and back.  We intend to put it up for sale and hopefully someone(s) 
> > will buy her and have as much fun sailing her as we have.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis or ENO, or NOSI, or I just thought of "Sis" which is a Greek
> prefix
> > indicating doing or action sort of like "ing" in English.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Frank Goldsmith 
> > <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You 
> >> are an intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a 
> >> fascinating way to spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look 
> >> forward to following your progress.
> >>
> >> Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t 
> >> help but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about 
> >> your boat?s name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??  
> >> Doesn?t that
> refer
> >> to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the 
> >> name
> cause
> >> any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember 
> >> once going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly 
> >> handing
> the
> >> vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he
> indignantly
> >> slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There 
> >> seemed
> to
> >> be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at 
> >> least back then.
> >>
> >> Safe travels,
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly 
> >>> the
> >> same
> >>> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be
> arriving
> >> in
> >>> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by 
> >>> myself (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up 
> >>> the boat
> and
> >>> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll 
> >>> spend a
> >> week
> >>> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants 
> >>> to
> >> come
> >>> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of July.
> >>> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to 
> >>> Rhodes
> (an
> >>> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about 
> >>> mid September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before 
> >>> putting it to
> >> bed
> >>> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more 
> >>> details
> >> on
> >>> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like 
> >>> this
> and
> >>> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.
> I
> >>> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed 
> >>> itinerary
> and
> >>> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each 
> >>> of
> the
> >>> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About 
> >>> half
> I've
> >>> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward 
> >>> to
> >> this
> >>> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the 
> >>> itinerary if
> >> you
> >>> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the
> document
> >>> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start posting
> >>> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around 
> >>> the beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most
> challenging
> >>> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are
> crossing
> >>> the Aegean.
> >>>
> >>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>> S/V Enosis
> >>>
> >>> Google Link:
> >>>
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view
> ?usp=sharing
> >>
> >>
>
>
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From talmorin at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 22 10:55:20 2021
From: talmorin at hotmail.com (Thomas s)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:55:20 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
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So you sealed the bottle with painters tape?

I tend to do that with my Rum ?

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 9:10 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3

Ah,
    I recall now my inspiration for the name ?Enosis ?. See attachment
(grin).  Actually pretty bad stuff.   Chris Geankoplis. S/V Enosis

On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 9:08 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> No, I am not really so well informed, and I certainly don?t know all the
> nuances and permutations of  ??????.  I have very little Greek, really
> nothing above phrasebook level.  Years ago I could go into a shop, ask the
> price of something, and understand the answer provided I didn?t have to
> count too high!  Frankly I don?t remember much of that now.
>
> This exchange reminds me, though, that I gave my first boat, a Cal 27 I
> kept in Oriental, NC, a Greek name.  I had become acquainted with a
> restaurant in Big Sur named Nepenthe while stationed in California with the
> Army, and upon learning that the name referred to a mythical potion to cure
> one?s troubles (or something like that), I had ???????? stenciled on the
> stern under the English name.  It was a good boat and fulfilled that
> purpose ? except when I had to drive several hundred miles from the
> mountains to the coast for maintenance.
>
> I can?t wait to follow your journey this summer.
>
> Best,
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
>
> > On Jun 20, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Dang Frank,
> >                  You are well informed.  Indeed during the Junta that was
> > often how Enosis was used.  Didn't think very few people (other than the
> > Cypriots, knew this.  Yes it might be a problem.  I named the boat dwith
> > the older root word in mind. "a coming together to make (one) complete."
> it
> > is a base for such words as Gnosticism,   So you will probably see some
> > alteration in the name involving peeling off a letter or two.  Maybe I
> > shall just remove the "E" and the last "S",  leaving me with "Nosi" a
> > homonym for a snoopy boat.  Or I see its meaning in the Bosnian language
> is
> > a verb, "wears".  But I think I might just go with a language I know.
> ENO,
> > "and no".  A response to the political meaning of Enosis.  In truth, the
> > Turks could make a strong argument for their invasion in '74.  Shortly
> > before that time, I talked to a number of young Greek Cypriots who
> > gleefully relate how they would sneek into a Turkish village and rape the
> > girls there.  It seemed they shared the same attitude that some Serbians
> > had 15 years later.
> > Anyway, to a more positive subject, it will be the most challenging sail
> > with Enosis.  I'm not really worried about the Ionian but the Aegean is
> > another matter.   I've sailed the Aegean in the summer a number of times,
> > most recently in a British built little 22' Pandora.  It was an  old
> fixed
> > keel VanDe Staat  designed boat built for the north sea.  So, I might be
> > biting off more than I can chew (well we can chew) but we will just have
> to
> > get used to waiting for a window or doing some very early morning sailing
> > in the dark.  This will probably be our last year with Enosis as Alice
> has
> > some health issues and really doesn't enjoy the long flights over and
> > back.  We intend to put it up for sale and hopefully someone(s) will buy
> > her and have as much fun sailing her as we have.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis or ENO, or NOSI, or I just thought of "Sis" which is a Greek
> prefix
> > indicating doing or action sort of like "ing" in English.
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You are an
> >> intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a fascinating way to
> >> spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look forward to following your
> >> progress.
> >>
> >> Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t help
> >> but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about your boat?s
> >> name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??  Doesn?t that
> refer
> >> to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the name
> cause
> >> any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember once
> >> going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly handing
> the
> >> vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he
> indignantly
> >> slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There seemed
> to
> >> be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at least
> >> back then.
> >>
> >> Safe travels,
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly the
> >> same
> >>> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be
> arriving
> >> in
> >>> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by myself
> >>> (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the boat
> and
> >>> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll spend a
> >> week
> >>> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants to
> >> come
> >>> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of July.
> >>> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to Rhodes
> (an
> >>> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about mid
> >>> September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting it to
> >> bed
> >>> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more details
> >> on
> >>> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like this
> and
> >>> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.
> I
> >>> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed itinerary
> and
> >>> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each of
> the
> >>> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half
> I've
> >>> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward to
> >> this
> >>> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the itinerary if
> >> you
> >>> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the
> document
> >>> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start posting
> >>> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around the
> >>> beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most
> challenging
> >>> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are
> crossing
> >>> the Aegean.
> >>>
> >>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>> S/V Enosis
> >>>
> >>> Google Link:
> >>>
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing
> >>
> >>
>
>
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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 10:58:52 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 10:58:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
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Bottoms up!  For the booze not your boat.

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 10:10 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Ah,
>     I recall now my inspiration for the name ?Enosis ?. See attachment
> (grin).  Actually pretty bad stuff.   Chris Geankoplis. S/V Enosis
>
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 9:08 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > No, I am not really so well informed, and I certainly don?t know all the
> > nuances and permutations of  ??????.  I have very little Greek, really
> > nothing above phrasebook level.  Years ago I could go into a shop, ask
> the
> > price of something, and understand the answer provided I didn?t have to
> > count too high!  Frankly I don?t remember much of that now.
> >
> > This exchange reminds me, though, that I gave my first boat, a Cal 27 I
> > kept in Oriental, NC, a Greek name.  I had become acquainted with a
> > restaurant in Big Sur named Nepenthe while stationed in California with
> the
> > Army, and upon learning that the name referred to a mythical potion to
> cure
> > one?s troubles (or something like that), I had ???????? stenciled on the
> > stern under the English name.  It was a good boat and fulfilled that
> > purpose ? except when I had to drive several hundred miles from the
> > mountains to the coast for maintenance.
> >
> > I can?t wait to follow your journey this summer.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Frank Goldsmith
> > S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> > Fairview, NC
> > Lake Keowee, SC
> >
> > > On Jun 20, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dang Frank,
> > >                  You are well informed.  Indeed during the Junta that
> was
> > > often how Enosis was used.  Didn't think very few people (other than
> the
> > > Cypriots, knew this.  Yes it might be a problem.  I named the boat
> dwith
> > > the older root word in mind. "a coming together to make (one)
> complete."
> > it
> > > is a base for such words as Gnosticism,   So you will probably see some
> > > alteration in the name involving peeling off a letter or two.  Maybe I
> > > shall just remove the "E" and the last "S",  leaving me with "Nosi" a
> > > homonym for a snoopy boat.  Or I see its meaning in the Bosnian
> language
> > is
> > > a verb, "wears".  But I think I might just go with a language I know.
> > ENO,
> > > "and no".  A response to the political meaning of Enosis.  In truth,
> the
> > > Turks could make a strong argument for their invasion in '74.  Shortly
> > > before that time, I talked to a number of young Greek Cypriots who
> > > gleefully relate how they would sneek into a Turkish village and rape
> the
> > > girls there.  It seemed they shared the same attitude that some
> Serbians
> > > had 15 years later.
> > > Anyway, to a more positive subject, it will be the most challenging
> sail
> > > with Enosis.  I'm not really worried about the Ionian but the Aegean is
> > > another matter.   I've sailed the Aegean in the summer a number of
> times,
> > > most recently in a British built little 22' Pandora.  It was an  old
> > fixed
> > > keel VanDe Staat  designed boat built for the north sea.  So, I might
> be
> > > biting off more than I can chew (well we can chew) but we will just
> have
> > to
> > > get used to waiting for a window or doing some very early morning
> sailing
> > > in the dark.  This will probably be our last year with Enosis as Alice
> > has
> > > some health issues and really doesn't enjoy the long flights over and
> > > back.  We intend to put it up for sale and hopefully someone(s) will
> buy
> > > her and have as much fun sailing her as we have.
> > >
> > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > Enosis or ENO, or NOSI, or I just thought of "Sis" which is a Greek
> > prefix
> > > indicating doing or action sort of like "ing" in English.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Frank Goldsmith <
> goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You are
> an
> > >> intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a fascinating way
> to
> > >> spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look forward to following
> your
> > >> progress.
> > >>
> > >> Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t
> help
> > >> but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about your boat?s
> > >> name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??  Doesn?t that
> > refer
> > >> to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the name
> > cause
> > >> any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember
> once
> > >> going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly handing
> > the
> > >> vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he
> > indignantly
> > >> slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There seemed
> > to
> > >> be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at
> least
> > >> back then.
> > >>
> > >> Safe travels,
> > >>
> > >> Frank
> > >>
> > >>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly
> the
> > >> same
> > >>> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be
> > arriving
> > >> in
> > >>> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by myself
> > >>> (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the boat
> > and
> > >>> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll spend a
> > >> week
> > >>> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants to
> > >> come
> > >>> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of
> July.
> > >>> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to Rhodes
> > (an
> > >>> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about mid
> > >>> September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting it
> to
> > >> bed
> > >>> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more
> details
> > >> on
> > >>> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like this
> > and
> > >>> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.
> > I
> > >>> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed itinerary
> > and
> > >>> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each of
> > the
> > >>> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half
> > I've
> > >>> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward to
> > >> this
> > >>> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the itinerary
> if
> > >> you
> > >>> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the
> > document
> > >>> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start
> posting
> > >>> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around the
> > >>> beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most
> > challenging
> > >>> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are
> > crossing
> > >>> the Aegean.
> > >>>
> > >>> Chris Geankoplis
> > >>> S/V Enosis
> > >>>
> > >>> Google Link:
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 13:47:21 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 13:47:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail Furler Cable broke
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I was able to replace the forestay cable for the headsailI furler.
I attached two pictures:
1) the terminal from the masthead
2) the cable from inside the furler

I?m guessing the cable began to bind within the furler and twisted back and
forth to unbraid the cable.

Not sure what caused it unless i did overtighten the backstay tension.

Back on the water.

Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie

On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 11:42 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> From your photo, it looks like the terminal at the top of the forestay
> failed.  But, instead of the threads at the toggle joint, this one failed
> at the bottom of the terminal where it was swaged onto the stainless steel
> wire cable.  Was there anything still attached to the masthead casting?
> Like maybe the rest of the terminal and toggle joint?  This could be the
> same issue as Allyn and Peter?s boats experienced except at the bottom
> instead of the top of the terminal.  Or, it could be a failure of the
> swaged connection.  If you still have the rest of the terminal, could you
> send a close-up of the swaged joint that failed?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 2, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Bob,
> >
> > I'm not sure what you've got there.  It doesn't look like a CDI furler.
> >
> > There's been another recent thread about a broken forestay with the
> subject line of 'CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?'.
> Looking through that may provide some insight.
> >
> > I made a YouTube video about my experience with a broken forestay, which
> you can find here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s . My furler
> is a CDI, so at least some of the video won't be relevant for you.
> >
> > Have you tried contacting General Boats?  How about a local rigging
> company?
> >
> > --Peter
> >
> >> On 2021-06-01, at 21:56:47 EDT, Bob Garrant wrote:
> >>
> >> The cable at the top of my genoa furler broke this morning as I was
> about to
> >> unfurl the Genoa. See attached image.
> >> I would appreciate guidance for replacing this cable.
> >> I purchased this 2000 Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2017 as a refurbished
> model. Thanks
> >> much,
> >> Bob Garrant
> >> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
> >> Kent Island, MD
> >>
> >> <a
> >> href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210601/f6641c60/attachment.jpg"
>
> >> target="_blank">image_67213825.JPG</a>
> >>
> >
>
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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 17:04:37 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 17:04:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail Furler Cable broke
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Another picture of the same forestay failure

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 1:47 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was able to replace the forestay cable for the headsailI furler.
> I attached two pictures:
> 1) the terminal from the masthead
> 2) the cable from inside the furler
>
> I?m guessing the cable began to bind within the furler and twisted back
> and forth to unbraid the cable.
>
> Not sure what caused it unless i did overtighten the backstay tension.
>
> Back on the water.
>
> Bob Garrant
> s/v Sail la Vie
>
> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 11:42 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Bob,
>>
>> From your photo, it looks like the terminal at the top of the forestay
>> failed.  But, instead of the threads at the toggle joint, this one failed
>> at the bottom of the terminal where it was swaged onto the stainless steel
>> wire cable.  Was there anything still attached to the masthead casting?
>> Like maybe the rest of the terminal and toggle joint?  This could be the
>> same issue as Allyn and Peter?s boats experienced except at the bottom
>> instead of the top of the terminal.  Or, it could be a failure of the
>> swaged connection.  If you still have the rest of the terminal, could you
>> send a close-up of the swaged joint that failed?
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 2, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?Bob,
>> >
>> > I'm not sure what you've got there.  It doesn't look like a CDI furler.
>> >
>> > There's been another recent thread about a broken forestay with the
>> subject line of 'CDI Furler Wire Halyard Snapped - What's at the top?'.
>> Looking through that may provide some insight.
>> >
>> > I made a YouTube video about my experience with a broken forestay,
>> which you can find here: www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbKIYYFU73s&t=5s . My
>> furler is a CDI, so at least some of the video won't be relevant for you.
>> >
>> > Have you tried contacting General Boats?  How about a local rigging
>> company?
>> >
>> > --Peter
>> >
>> >> On 2021-06-01, at 21:56:47 EDT, Bob Garrant wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The cable at the top of my genoa furler broke this morning as I was
>> about to
>> >> unfurl the Genoa. See attached image.
>> >> I would appreciate guidance for replacing this cable.
>> >> I purchased this 2000 Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2017 as a refurbished
>> model. Thanks
>> >> much,
>> >> Bob Garrant
>> >> s/v Sail la Vie 2000
>> >> Kent Island, MD
>> >>
>> >> <a
>> >> href="
>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20210601/f6641c60/attachment.jpg"
>>
>> >> target="_blank">image_67213825.JPG</a>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 19:31:00 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 18:31:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
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Well Michael,
                    To put a superstition to rest,  Alice is not bad luck!
Quite the contrary.  The Greek Liqueur in the attachment has the brand name
"Enosis".  It is mad from the mastic plant.  It is rather odd tasting.  It
is made on one of the Dodecanese islands where we are headed.  I may just
keep the bottle and insist that it was named after this liqueur and has no
other meaning.  What a conundrum.
Chris Geankoplios
Enosis

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 9:47 AM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Traditionally, boats are named after goddesses, beautiful women or
> mythical figures. Of course, ancient tradition says that women on ships
> were bad luck and rarely put to sea. Then again, the sea is the captain's
> mistress. Tell me again about your inspiration.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 10:10 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
>
> Ah,
>     I recall now my inspiration for the name ?Enosis ?. See attachment
> (grin).  Actually pretty bad stuff.   Chris Geankoplis. S/V Enosis
>
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 9:08 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > No, I am not really so well informed, and I certainly don?t know all
> > the nuances and permutations of  ??????.  I have very little Greek,
> > really nothing above phrasebook level.  Years ago I could go into a
> > shop, ask the price of something, and understand the answer provided I
> > didn?t have to count too high!  Frankly I don?t remember much of that
> now.
> >
> > This exchange reminds me, though, that I gave my first boat, a Cal 27
> > I kept in Oriental, NC, a Greek name.  I had become acquainted with a
> > restaurant in Big Sur named Nepenthe while stationed in California
> > with the Army, and upon learning that the name referred to a mythical
> > potion to cure one?s troubles (or something like that), I had ????????
> > stenciled on the stern under the English name.  It was a good boat and
> > fulfilled that purpose ? except when I had to drive several hundred
> > miles from the mountains to the coast for maintenance.
> >
> > I can?t wait to follow your journey this summer.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Frank Goldsmith
> > S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> > Fairview, NC
> > Lake Keowee, SC
> >
> > > On Jun 20, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Chris Geankoplis
> > > <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dang Frank,
> > >                  You are well informed.  Indeed during the Junta
> > > that was often how Enosis was used.  Didn't think very few people
> > > (other than the Cypriots, knew this.  Yes it might be a problem.  I
> > > named the boat dwith the older root word in mind. "a coming together
> to make (one) complete."
> > it
> > > is a base for such words as Gnosticism,   So you will probably see some
> > > alteration in the name involving peeling off a letter or two.  Maybe
> > > I shall just remove the "E" and the last "S",  leaving me with
> > > "Nosi" a homonym for a snoopy boat.  Or I see its meaning in the
> > > Bosnian language
> > is
> > > a verb, "wears".  But I think I might just go with a language I know.
> > ENO,
> > > "and no".  A response to the political meaning of Enosis.  In truth,
> > > the Turks could make a strong argument for their invasion in '74.
> > > Shortly before that time, I talked to a number of young Greek
> > > Cypriots who gleefully relate how they would sneek into a Turkish
> > > village and rape the girls there.  It seemed they shared the same
> > > attitude that some Serbians had 15 years later.
> > > Anyway, to a more positive subject, it will be the most challenging
> > > sail with Enosis.  I'm not really worried about the Ionian but the
> Aegean is
> > > another matter.   I've sailed the Aegean in the summer a number of
> times,
> > > most recently in a British built little 22' Pandora.  It was an  old
> > fixed
> > > keel VanDe Staat  designed boat built for the north sea.  So, I
> > > might be biting off more than I can chew (well we can chew) but we
> > > will just have
> > to
> > > get used to waiting for a window or doing some very early morning
> > > sailing in the dark.  This will probably be our last year with
> > > Enosis as Alice
> > has
> > > some health issues and really doesn't enjoy the long flights over
> > > and back.  We intend to put it up for sale and hopefully someone(s)
> > > will buy her and have as much fun sailing her as we have.
> > >
> > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > Enosis or ENO, or NOSI, or I just thought of "Sis" which is a Greek
> > prefix
> > > indicating doing or action sort of like "ing" in English.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Frank Goldsmith
> > > <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You
> > >> are an intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a
> > >> fascinating way to spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look
> > >> forward to following your progress.
> > >>
> > >> Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t
> > >> help but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about
> > >> your boat?s name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??
> > >> Doesn?t that
> > refer
> > >> to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the
> > >> name
> > cause
> > >> any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember
> > >> once going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly
> > >> handing
> > the
> > >> vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he
> > indignantly
> > >> slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There
> > >> seemed
> > to
> > >> be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at
> > >> least back then.
> > >>
> > >> Safe travels,
> > >>
> > >> Frank
> > >>
> > >>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly
> > >>> the
> > >> same
> > >>> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be
> > arriving
> > >> in
> > >>> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by
> > >>> myself (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up
> > >>> the boat
> > and
> > >>> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll
> > >>> spend a
> > >> week
> > >>> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants
> > >>> to
> > >> come
> > >>> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of
> July.
> > >>> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to
> > >>> Rhodes
> > (an
> > >>> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about
> > >>> mid September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before
> > >>> putting it to
> > >> bed
> > >>> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more
> > >>> details
> > >> on
> > >>> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like
> > >>> this
> > and
> > >>> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.
> > I
> > >>> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed
> > >>> itinerary
> > and
> > >>> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each
> > >>> of
> > the
> > >>> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About
> > >>> half
> > I've
> > >>> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward
> > >>> to
> > >> this
> > >>> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the
> > >>> itinerary if
> > >> you
> > >>> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the
> > document
> > >>> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start
> posting
> > >>> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around
> > >>> the beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most
> > challenging
> > >>> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are
> > crossing
> > >>> the Aegean.
> > >>>
> > >>> Chris Geankoplis
> > >>> S/V Enosis
> > >>>
> > >>> Google Link:
> > >>>
> > >>
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view
> > ?usp=sharing
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 19:33:09 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 18:33:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
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Good Catch Thomas!  Yup, sort of a thing when we travel with bottled items,
cuts down on spilled alcohol and over consumption.  I have had too much to
drink if I can't figure out the blue tape.

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 9:55 AM Thomas s <talmorin at hotmail.com> wrote:

> So you sealed the bottle with painters tape?
>
> I tend to do that with my Rum ?
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 9:10 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
>
> Ah,
>     I recall now my inspiration for the name ?Enosis ?. See attachment
> (grin).  Actually pretty bad stuff.   Chris Geankoplis. S/V Enosis
>
> On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 9:08 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > No, I am not really so well informed, and I certainly don?t know all the
> > nuances and permutations of  ??????.  I have very little Greek, really
> > nothing above phrasebook level.  Years ago I could go into a shop, ask
> the
> > price of something, and understand the answer provided I didn?t have to
> > count too high!  Frankly I don?t remember much of that now.
> >
> > This exchange reminds me, though, that I gave my first boat, a Cal 27 I
> > kept in Oriental, NC, a Greek name.  I had become acquainted with a
> > restaurant in Big Sur named Nepenthe while stationed in California with
> the
> > Army, and upon learning that the name referred to a mythical potion to
> cure
> > one?s troubles (or something like that), I had ???????? stenciled on the
> > stern under the English name.  It was a good boat and fulfilled that
> > purpose ? except when I had to drive several hundred miles from the
> > mountains to the coast for maintenance.
> >
> > I can?t wait to follow your journey this summer.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > Frank Goldsmith
> > S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> > Fairview, NC
> > Lake Keowee, SC
> >
> > > On Jun 20, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dang Frank,
> > >                  You are well informed.  Indeed during the Junta that
> was
> > > often how Enosis was used.  Didn't think very few people (other than
> the
> > > Cypriots, knew this.  Yes it might be a problem.  I named the boat
> dwith
> > > the older root word in mind. "a coming together to make (one)
> complete."
> > it
> > > is a base for such words as Gnosticism,   So you will probably see some
> > > alteration in the name involving peeling off a letter or two.  Maybe I
> > > shall just remove the "E" and the last "S",  leaving me with "Nosi" a
> > > homonym for a snoopy boat.  Or I see its meaning in the Bosnian
> language
> > is
> > > a verb, "wears".  But I think I might just go with a language I know.
> > ENO,
> > > "and no".  A response to the political meaning of Enosis.  In truth,
> the
> > > Turks could make a strong argument for their invasion in '74.  Shortly
> > > before that time, I talked to a number of young Greek Cypriots who
> > > gleefully relate how they would sneek into a Turkish village and rape
> the
> > > girls there.  It seemed they shared the same attitude that some
> Serbians
> > > had 15 years later.
> > > Anyway, to a more positive subject, it will be the most challenging
> sail
> > > with Enosis.  I'm not really worried about the Ionian but the Aegean is
> > > another matter.   I've sailed the Aegean in the summer a number of
> times,
> > > most recently in a British built little 22' Pandora.  It was an  old
> > fixed
> > > keel VanDe Staat  designed boat built for the north sea.  So, I might
> be
> > > biting off more than I can chew (well we can chew) but we will just
> have
> > to
> > > get used to waiting for a window or doing some very early morning
> sailing
> > > in the dark.  This will probably be our last year with Enosis as Alice
> > has
> > > some health issues and really doesn't enjoy the long flights over and
> > > back.  We intend to put it up for sale and hopefully someone(s) will
> buy
> > > her and have as much fun sailing her as we have.
> > >
> > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > Enosis or ENO, or NOSI, or I just thought of "Sis" which is a Greek
> > prefix
> > > indicating doing or action sort of like "ing" in English.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Frank Goldsmith <
> goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You are
> an
> > >> intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a fascinating way
> to
> > >> spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look forward to following
> your
> > >> progress.
> > >>
> > >> Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t
> help
> > >> but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about your boat?s
> > >> name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??  Doesn?t that
> > refer
> > >> to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the name
> > cause
> > >> any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember
> once
> > >> going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly handing
> > the
> > >> vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he
> > indignantly
> > >> slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There seemed
> > to
> > >> be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at
> least
> > >> back then.
> > >>
> > >> Safe travels,
> > >>
> > >> Frank
> > >>
> > >>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly
> the
> > >> same
> > >>> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be
> > arriving
> > >> in
> > >>> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by myself
> > >>> (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the boat
> > and
> > >>> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll spend a
> > >> week
> > >>> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants to
> > >> come
> > >>> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of
> July.
> > >>> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to Rhodes
> > (an
> > >>> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about mid
> > >>> September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting it
> to
> > >> bed
> > >>> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more
> details
> > >> on
> > >>> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like this
> > and
> > >>> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google earth.
> > I
> > >>> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed itinerary
> > and
> > >>> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each of
> > the
> > >>> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half
> > I've
> > >>> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward to
> > >> this
> > >>> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the itinerary
> if
> > >> you
> > >>> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the
> > document
> > >>> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start
> posting
> > >>> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around the
> > >>> beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most
> > challenging
> > >>> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are
> > crossing
> > >>> the Aegean.
> > >>>
> > >>> Chris Geankoplis
> > >>> S/V Enosis
> > >>>
> > >>> Google Link:
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> >
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Jun 22 19:37:29 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 18:37:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med, year 3
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Hey Lee,
Gan Bei!  or Yamas!  After a few of those I start speaking in cursive, and
Greek cursive at that.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 9:59 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bottoms up!  For the booze not your boat.
>
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 10:10 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Ah,
> >     I recall now my inspiration for the name ?Enosis ?. See attachment
> > (grin).  Actually pretty bad stuff.   Chris Geankoplis. S/V Enosis
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 9:08 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > No, I am not really so well informed, and I certainly don?t know all
> the
> > > nuances and permutations of  ??????.  I have very little Greek, really
> > > nothing above phrasebook level.  Years ago I could go into a shop, ask
> > the
> > > price of something, and understand the answer provided I didn?t have to
> > > count too high!  Frankly I don?t remember much of that now.
> > >
> > > This exchange reminds me, though, that I gave my first boat, a Cal 27 I
> > > kept in Oriental, NC, a Greek name.  I had become acquainted with a
> > > restaurant in Big Sur named Nepenthe while stationed in California with
> > the
> > > Army, and upon learning that the name referred to a mythical potion to
> > cure
> > > one?s troubles (or something like that), I had ???????? stenciled on
> the
> > > stern under the English name.  It was a good boat and fulfilled that
> > > purpose ? except when I had to drive several hundred miles from the
> > > mountains to the coast for maintenance.
> > >
> > > I can?t wait to follow your journey this summer.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > Frank Goldsmith
> > > S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> > > Fairview, NC
> > > Lake Keowee, SC
> > >
> > > > On Jun 20, 2021, at 8:14 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dang Frank,
> > > >                  You are well informed.  Indeed during the Junta that
> > was
> > > > often how Enosis was used.  Didn't think very few people (other than
> > the
> > > > Cypriots, knew this.  Yes it might be a problem.  I named the boat
> > dwith
> > > > the older root word in mind. "a coming together to make (one)
> > complete."
> > > it
> > > > is a base for such words as Gnosticism,   So you will probably see
> some
> > > > alteration in the name involving peeling off a letter or two.  Maybe
> I
> > > > shall just remove the "E" and the last "S",  leaving me with "Nosi" a
> > > > homonym for a snoopy boat.  Or I see its meaning in the Bosnian
> > language
> > > is
> > > > a verb, "wears".  But I think I might just go with a language I know.
> > > ENO,
> > > > "and no".  A response to the political meaning of Enosis.  In truth,
> > the
> > > > Turks could make a strong argument for their invasion in '74.
> Shortly
> > > > before that time, I talked to a number of young Greek Cypriots who
> > > > gleefully relate how they would sneek into a Turkish village and rape
> > the
> > > > girls there.  It seemed they shared the same attitude that some
> > Serbians
> > > > had 15 years later.
> > > > Anyway, to a more positive subject, it will be the most challenging
> > sail
> > > > with Enosis.  I'm not really worried about the Ionian but the Aegean
> is
> > > > another matter.   I've sailed the Aegean in the summer a number of
> > times,
> > > > most recently in a British built little 22' Pandora.  It was an  old
> > > fixed
> > > > keel VanDe Staat  designed boat built for the north sea.  So, I might
> > be
> > > > biting off more than I can chew (well we can chew) but we will just
> > have
> > > to
> > > > get used to waiting for a window or doing some very early morning
> > sailing
> > > > in the dark.  This will probably be our last year with Enosis as
> Alice
> > > has
> > > > some health issues and really doesn't enjoy the long flights over and
> > > > back.  We intend to put it up for sale and hopefully someone(s) will
> > buy
> > > > her and have as much fun sailing her as we have.
> > > >
> > > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > > Enosis or ENO, or NOSI, or I just thought of "Sis" which is a Greek
> > > prefix
> > > > indicating doing or action sort of like "ing" in English.
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jun 20, 2021 at 7:55 AM Frank Goldsmith <
> > goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Chris, thanks for sharing those plans with us ? what a trip!  You
> are
> > an
> > > >> intrepid sailor to sail the Ionian sea solo.  It?s a fascinating way
> > to
> > > >> spend the summer, and I am envious.  I?ll look forward to following
> > your
> > > >> progress.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hearing of your plans to include Turkey in your itinerary, I can?t
> > help
> > > >> but ask this question (born of ignorance, I confess) about your
> boat?s
> > > >> name.  It is ?????? in Greek, right, meaning ?union??  Doesn?t that
> > > refer
> > > >> to the political union of Cyprus and Greece, and if so, does the
> name
> > > cause
> > > >> any raised eyebrows when you sail into a Turkish port?  I remember
> > once
> > > >> going up to a stand in Turkey to buy ice cream and mistakenly
> handing
> > > the
> > > >> vendor a drachma in payment (this was before the Euro), and he
> > > indignantly
> > > >> slapped the coin down on the counter and pushed it back.  There
> seemed
> > > to
> > > >> be some pretty hard feelings between the Greeks and the Turks, at
> > least
> > > >> back then.
> > > >>
> > > >> Safe travels,
> > > >>
> > > >> Frank
> > > >>
> > > >>> On Jun 19, 2021, at 11:33 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> > > >> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Well better late than never.  This year's cruise is almost exactly
> > the
> > > >> same
> > > >>> length as the one from Barcelona to Naples, 1050 nm.  I will be
> > > arriving
> > > >> in
> > > >>> Greece at the boat on the 15th of July.  I'll spend a week by
> myself
> > > >>> (unless someone wants to come along and help out) fixing up the
> boat
> > > and
> > > >>> getting it in the water after 2 years on the hard. Then  I'll
> spend a
> > > >> week
> > > >>> sailing around the northern Ionian by myself (unless someone wants
> to
> > > >> come
> > > >>> along).  I'll end up in Corfu and pick up my wife on the 28th of
> > July.
> > > >>> From there it is south to the tip of Greece then east over to
> Rhodes
> > > (an
> > > >>> island named after the boat?).  We will clear out of Greece about
> mid
> > > >>> September and spend 10 days to two weeks in Turkey before putting
> it
> > to
> > > >> bed
> > > >>> in Marmaris. We plan to put it up for sale in the spring. (more
> > details
> > > >> on
> > > >>> that later)  I generally do a fair amount of prep on trips like
> this
> > > and
> > > >>> enjoy going over the sailing guide books and charts and Google
> earth.
> > > I
> > > >>> created a rather long document  (13 pages) with a proposed
> itinerary
> > > and
> > > >>> distances and an accompanying set of Google Earth pictures of each
> of
> > > the
> > > >>> 50 odd places where we will be spending a night or two.  About half
> > > I've
> > > >>> never been to so it is with great anticipation that I look forward
> to
> > > >> this
> > > >>> year's adventure.  I've attached a Google Docs link to the
> itinerary
> > if
> > > >> you
> > > >>> are interested. One note, to really get the most out of it, the
> > > document
> > > >>> should be viewed at 170% on a computer screen.   I should start
> > posting
> > > >>> stuff a couple of weeks behind the actual day's sail, say around
> the
> > > >>> beginning of August or late July.  This trip will be the most
> > > challenging
> > > >>> yet as the Meltemi is the strongest in August, right when we are
> > > crossing
> > > >>> the Aegean.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Chris Geankoplis
> > > >>> S/V Enosis
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Google Link:
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1jHbIyuhqlsCey5g1HWVmTsEXV-6MRFsC/view?usp=sharing
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Tue Jun 22 22:22:05 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 22:22:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
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Unable to buy a new rudder and unable to purchase any black starboard locally I?m making a new white rudder housing and adding some internal stiffeners.  I?ll let you know how it works out. 

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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 05:23:50 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 05:23:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
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If you could make a drawing of the rudderhead in CAD or in .dwg format, you
could have them fabricated by a plastics shop and shipped to you. I had
some parts made by a shop in Norfolk. I don't have the CAD software on my
computer any longer. You could probably ship them one and they could
duplicate them from the original. IIRC the guy said I could even ship him a
template made from luan plywood.
Its worth a try.

http://norvaplastics.com/

Todd T.


tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 10:22 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Unable to buy a new rudder and unable to purchase any black starboard
> locally I?m making a new white rudder housing and adding some internal
> stiffeners.  I?ll let you know how it works out.
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Wed Jun 23 07:20:40 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 07:20:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder failure
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I used the old rudder as a template and cut the starboard with a jig saw.  

> On Jun 23, 2021, at 5:24 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> If you could make a drawing of the rudderhead in CAD or in .dwg format, you could have them fabricated by a plastics shop and shipped to you. I had some parts made by a shop in Norfolk. I don't have the CAD software on my computer any longer. You could probably ship them one and they could duplicate them from the original. IIRC the guy said I could even ship him a template made from luan plywood.
> Its worth a try.
> 
> http://norvaplastics.com/
> 
> Todd T.
> 
> 
> tavares0947 at gmail.com
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, 10:22 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> Unable to buy a new rudder and unable to purchase any black starboard locally I?m making a new white rudder housing and adding some internal stiffeners.  I?ll let you know how it works out. 
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From rodellner at mac.com  Wed Jun 23 08:56:04 2021
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 06:56:04 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Better Med Sailing Itinary
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiV=A-SHFC=Ym-q9iMSnSbGWLP3sgorZ2JOMjWNYCV9GoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiV=A-SHFC=Ym-q9iMSnSbGWLP3sgorZ2JOMjWNYCV9GoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <240BD7C3-432E-454F-A2AF-6E69FB583C89@mac.com>

Thanks Chris!   You and Alice ROCK!
We?ve been following you vicariously through the years!!  You are truly ?Living the Dream!?    Thanks for sharing your journeys with the rest of us!

Mary E

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2021, at 7:16 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?So after some technical confusion, I have revised the file on sailing the
> Med in a Rhodes and reduced its size way down so it should load a
> lot better.  Again it should be viewed at around 170% on a computer.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vobVnebPjB9j_UgwU5GKK7k1W-OX857m/view?usp=sharing
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 10:06:33 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 09:06:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Better Med Sailing Itinary
In-Reply-To: <240BD7C3-432E-454F-A2AF-6E69FB583C89@mac.com>
References: <CADNTwiV=A-SHFC=Ym-q9iMSnSbGWLP3sgorZ2JOMjWNYCV9GoA@mail.gmail.com>
 <240BD7C3-432E-454F-A2AF-6E69FB583C89@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiU+9nMmAjQMFH_xjRn3Gq8z6mu8VnifphBW5Wxjjy29qA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mary & Rod,
               Part of the enjoyment of these trips is the sharing with
family and friends.
Chris & Alice
Enosis

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 7:56 AM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Thanks Chris!   You and Alice ROCK!
> We?ve been following you vicariously through the years!!  You are truly
> ?Living the Dream!?    Thanks for sharing your journeys with the rest of us!
>
> Mary E
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 20, 2021, at 7:16 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?So after some technical confusion, I have revised the file on sailing
> the
> > Med in a Rhodes and reduced its size way down so it should load a
> > lot better.  Again it should be viewed at around 170% on a computer.
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vobVnebPjB9j_UgwU5GKK7k1W-OX857m/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 11:53:08 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:53:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
Message-ID: <66045D92-0E48-4672-B63C-273618A83BB2@gmail.com>

Rhodes-Mates,

I recently replaced the sails on my Rhodes and in the process lost the clevis and cotter pin that attach the forestay to the bow chain plate.  I bought a stainless steel bolt with plastic washer as a temporary fix (visible in the attached photo, if it comes through), but I would like to replace it with something closer to the original.  Can anyone suggest a source?  Would General Boats likely have something like that in stock?

Also, I need to replace the threaded part of a stay turnbuckle that was already bent when I acquired the boat about six years ago.  (I?ll also attempt to attach a photo of that.)  Any suggestions for a source?  When I go online, there is a daunting range of prices for various kinds of open turnbuckle assemblies.  

Thanks for any help,

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC

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From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 13:19:52 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:19:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
In-Reply-To: <66045D92-0E48-4672-B63C-273618A83BB2@gmail.com>
References: <66045D92-0E48-4672-B63C-273618A83BB2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRprRZWyWnxxvq8yQWHJ21TWLPnJY7ss6TaMc9bNdsabBg@mail.gmail.com>

Frank, for just the bent part I think it is at binnacle.com and their part
# is 23749 and Mfg. # is 33-605. If my OLD memory serves me correctly
the part IS a RIGHT HAND  1/4 -28 thread SS.  Online it showed $25.25 and
is called a toggle nut. See the picture online.
Stan sells the Turnbuckle for $35. Text Stan and see what is included but
this seems to be a better deal overall and you know it will fit your Rhodes
22.
Stan most likely can supply both of your needed items.

Cary Tolbert
S/V Whisper '86
Radford, VA

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:53 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Rhodes-Mates,
>
> I recently replaced the sails on my Rhodes and in the process lost the
> clevis and cotter pin that attach the forestay to the bow chain plate.  I
> bought a stainless steel bolt with plastic washer as a temporary fix
> (visible in the attached photo, if it comes through), but I would like to
> replace it with something closer to the original.  Can anyone suggest a
> source?  Would General Boats likely have something like that in stock?
>
> Also, I need to replace the threaded part of a stay turnbuckle that was
> already bent when I acquired the boat about six years ago.  (I?ll also
> attempt to attach a photo of that.)  Any suggestions for a source?  When I
> go online, there is a daunting range of prices for various kinds of open
> turnbuckle assemblies.
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Frank
>
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
>
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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 13:51:04 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:51:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRprRZWyWnxxvq8yQWHJ21TWLPnJY7ss6TaMc9bNdsabBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66045D92-0E48-4672-B63C-273618A83BB2@gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRprRZWyWnxxvq8yQWHJ21TWLPnJY7ss6TaMc9bNdsabBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3955E6FA-A43B-4BBE-8CEC-D090DB10A5E8@gmail.com>

Thanks, Cary.  Sounds like going through Stan would be the best idea.  You mentioned texting him ? is there a phone number you can share that would work for texting?

Best,

Frank

> On Jun 23, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Frank, for just the bent part I think it is at binnacle.com <http://binnacle.com/> and their part
> # is 23749 and Mfg. # is 33-605. If my OLD memory serves me correctly
> the part IS a RIGHT HAND  1/4 -28 thread SS.  Online it showed $25.25 and
> is called a toggle nut. See the picture online.
> Stan sells the Turnbuckle for $35. Text Stan and see what is included but
> this seems to be a better deal overall and you know it will fit your Rhodes
> 22.
> Stan most likely can supply both of your needed items.
> 
> Cary Tolbert
> S/V Whisper '86
> Radford, VA
> 
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:53 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com <mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Rhodes-Mates,
>> 
>> I recently replaced the sails on my Rhodes and in the process lost the
>> clevis and cotter pin that attach the forestay to the bow chain plate.  I
>> bought a stainless steel bolt with plastic washer as a temporary fix
>> (visible in the attached photo, if it comes through), but I would like to
>> replace it with something closer to the original.  Can anyone suggest a
>> source?  Would General Boats likely have something like that in stock?
>> 
>> Also, I need to replace the threaded part of a stay turnbuckle that was
>> already bent when I acquired the boat about six years ago.  (I?ll also
>> attempt to attach a photo of that.)  Any suggestions for a source?  When I
>> go online, there is a daunting range of prices for various kinds of open
>> turnbuckle assemblies.
>> 
>> Thanks for any help,
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>> Fairview, NC
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Jun 23 14:07:47 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:07:47 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
Message-ID: <E1lw7Hv-00H4S7-KG@s152.servername.online>

For 5 of my 6 shroud turnbuckles, that part has a right hand (i.e. 'normal') thread (turn the turnbuckle clockwise to tighten).  For the 6th turnbuckle that part has a left hand thread.  Best check to be sure. 

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-06-23, at 13:19:52 EDT, Cary Tolbert wrote:
>
> Frank, for just the bent part I think it is at binnacle.com and their part # is 
> 23749 and Mfg. # is 33-605. If my OLD memory serves me correctly the part IS a 
> RIGHT HAND  1/4 -28 thread SS.  Online it showed $25.25 and is called a toggle 
> nut. See the picture online. 
> Stan sells the Turnbuckle for $35. Text Stan and see what is included but this 
> seems to be a better deal overall and you know it will fit your Rhodes 22. 
> Stan most likely can supply both of your needed items.
> 
> Cary Tolbert
> S/V Whisper '86
> Radford, VA
> 
> 


From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Wed Jun 23 14:08:41 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 14:08:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
In-Reply-To: <3955E6FA-A43B-4BBE-8CEC-D090DB10A5E8@gmail.com>
References: <66045D92-0E48-4672-B63C-273618A83BB2@gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRprRZWyWnxxvq8yQWHJ21TWLPnJY7ss6TaMc9bNdsabBg@mail.gmail.com>
 <3955E6FA-A43B-4BBE-8CEC-D090DB10A5E8@gmail.com>
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Frank, sorry if I was misleading on contacting Stan. Text, I have no idea.
I think his email is stan at generalboats.com
Asking the List directly may be a better source for information.
Cary

On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 1:51 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks, Cary.  Sounds like going through Stan would be the best idea.  You
> mentioned texting him ? is there a phone number you can share that would
> work for texting?
>
> Best,
>
> Frank
>
> > On Jun 23, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Frank, for just the bent part I think it is at binnacle.com <
> http://binnacle.com/> and their part
> > # is 23749 and Mfg. # is 33-605. If my OLD memory serves me correctly
> > the part IS a RIGHT HAND  1/4 -28 thread SS.  Online it showed $25.25 and
> > is called a toggle nut. See the picture online.
> > Stan sells the Turnbuckle for $35. Text Stan and see what is included but
> > this seems to be a better deal overall and you know it will fit your
> Rhodes
> > 22.
> > Stan most likely can supply both of your needed items.
> >
> > Cary Tolbert
> > S/V Whisper '86
> > Radford, VA
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:53 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com
> <mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Rhodes-Mates,
> >>
> >> I recently replaced the sails on my Rhodes and in the process lost the
> >> clevis and cotter pin that attach the forestay to the bow chain plate.
> I
> >> bought a stainless steel bolt with plastic washer as a temporary fix
> >> (visible in the attached photo, if it comes through), but I would like
> to
> >> replace it with something closer to the original.  Can anyone suggest a
> >> source?  Would General Boats likely have something like that in stock?
> >>
> >> Also, I need to replace the threaded part of a stay turnbuckle that was
> >> already bent when I acquired the boat about six years ago.  (I?ll also
> >> attempt to attach a photo of that.)  Any suggestions for a source?
> When I
> >> go online, there is a daunting range of prices for various kinds of open
> >> turnbuckle assemblies.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help,
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> Frank Goldsmith
> >> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> >> Fairview, NC
> >> Lake Keowee, SC
> >>
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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 09:53:21 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 09:53:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRos5w_oODmVrtx63OM4pe2ZU6uWgXOnqqTJh3wUq3iSAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <66045D92-0E48-4672-B63C-273618A83BB2@gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRprRZWyWnxxvq8yQWHJ21TWLPnJY7ss6TaMc9bNdsabBg@mail.gmail.com>
 <3955E6FA-A43B-4BBE-8CEC-D090DB10A5E8@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <9614E4B9-C57B-4CCE-9037-A3D6F7A30DF6@gmail.com>

No problem, Carl.  Thanks for your advice.  I?ll e-mail Stan directly.

Frank

> On Jun 23, 2021, at 2:08 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Frank, sorry if I was misleading on contacting Stan. Text, I have no idea.
> I think his email is stan at generalboats.com <mailto:stan at generalboats.com>
> Asking the List directly may be a better source for information.
> Cary
> 
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 1:51 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com <mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Thanks, Cary.  Sounds like going through Stan would be the best idea.  You
>> mentioned texting him ? is there a phone number you can share that would
>> work for texting?
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>>> On Jun 23, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Frank, for just the bent part I think it is at binnacle.com <
>> http://binnacle.com/ <http://binnacle.com/>> and their part
>>> # is 23749 and Mfg. # is 33-605. If my OLD memory serves me correctly
>>> the part IS a RIGHT HAND  1/4 -28 thread SS.  Online it showed $25.25 and
>>> is called a toggle nut. See the picture online.
>>> Stan sells the Turnbuckle for $35. Text Stan and see what is included but
>>> this seems to be a better deal overall and you know it will fit your
>> Rhodes
>>> 22.
>>> Stan most likely can supply both of your needed items.
>>> 
>>> Cary Tolbert
>>> S/V Whisper '86
>>> Radford, VA
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 23, 2021 at 11:53 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com
>> <mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com <mailto:goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>>>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Rhodes-Mates,
>>>> 
>>>> I recently replaced the sails on my Rhodes and in the process lost the
>>>> clevis and cotter pin that attach the forestay to the bow chain plate.
>> I
>>>> bought a stainless steel bolt with plastic washer as a temporary fix
>>>> (visible in the attached photo, if it comes through), but I would like
>> to
>>>> replace it with something closer to the original.  Can anyone suggest a
>>>> source?  Would General Boats likely have something like that in stock?
>>>> 
>>>> Also, I need to replace the threaded part of a stay turnbuckle that was
>>>> already bent when I acquired the boat about six years ago.  (I?ll also
>>>> attempt to attach a photo of that.)  Any suggestions for a source?
>> When I
>>>> go online, there is a daunting range of prices for various kinds of open
>>>> turnbuckle assemblies.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for any help,
>>>> 
>>>> Frank
>>>> 
>>>> Frank Goldsmith
>>>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>>>> Fairview, NC
>>>> Lake Keowee, SC
>>>> 
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>> <
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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Thu Jun 24 14:25:06 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 14:25:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
In-Reply-To: <E1lw7Hv-00H4S7-KG@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lw7Hv-00H4S7-KG@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <9CD6052C-CCD6-4609-9580-C39C797EB5EA@gmail.com>

Thanks for that tip, Peter.  I?m pretty sure mine is a right-hand thread, but I?ll check tomorrow when I?m down at the boat.

Frank

> On Jun 23, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> For 5 of my 6 shroud turnbuckles, that part has a right hand (i.e. 'normal') thread (turn the turnbuckle clockwise to tighten).  For the 6th turnbuckle that part has a left hand thread.  Best check to be sure. 
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2021-06-23, at 13:19:52 EDT, Cary Tolbert wrote:
>> 
>> Frank, for just the bent part I think it is at binnacle.com and their part # is 
>> 23749 and Mfg. # is 33-605. If my OLD memory serves me correctly the part IS a 
>> RIGHT HAND  1/4 -28 thread SS.  Online it showed $25.25 and is called a toggle 
>> nut. See the picture online. 
>> Stan sells the Turnbuckle for $35. Text Stan and see what is included but this 
>> seems to be a better deal overall and you know it will fit your Rhodes 22. 
>> Stan most likely can supply both of your needed items.
>> 
>> Cary Tolbert
>> S/V Whisper '86
>> Radford, VA
>> 
>> 
> 


From tvpolise at aol.com  Thu Jun 24 21:12:32 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 21:12:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder repair
References: <86EE7880-828A-4E82-BBEE-C9FBC45DFFBC.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <86EE7880-828A-4E82-BBEE-C9FBC45DFFBC@aol.com>

I used the old bracket as a template and realized that the inside bolt on Lower bracket blocked rudder from lowering.  I was wondering if others had the same condition. 

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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Jun 24 22:13:50 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 22:13:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder repair
In-Reply-To: <86EE7880-828A-4E82-BBEE-C9FBC45DFFBC@aol.com>
References: <86EE7880-828A-4E82-BBEE-C9FBC45DFFBC.ref@aol.com>
 <86EE7880-828A-4E82-BBEE-C9FBC45DFFBC@aol.com>
Message-ID: <001f01d76967$bebc7a10$3c356e30$@ebsmed.com>

Thomas,

Take a look at these recent emails. I think that the exact issue was
addressed:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-June/088432.html

especially the later post by Graham Stewart:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-June/088435.html
"Those are just very short flathead machine screws. There should be one on
each side. The head goes in from the inside and the locknut is what shows on
the outside. Just get a stainless steel flat head machine screw that fits
the hole diameter, insert it from the inside. Fasten the locknut and cut off
the extra. "

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of THOMAS
POLISE via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 9:13 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder repair

I used the old bracket as a template and realized that the inside bolt on
Lower bracket blocked rudder from lowering.  I was wondering if others had
the same condition. 

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From tvpolise at aol.com  Thu Jun 24 22:35:30 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2021 22:35:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder repair
In-Reply-To: <001f01d76967$bebc7a10$3c356e30$@ebsmed.com>
References: <001f01d76967$bebc7a10$3c356e30$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <94EB8145-7FAC-44F5-891B-276468D06076@aol.com>

Thanks 

> On Jun 24, 2021, at 10:13 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thomas,
> 
> Take a look at these recent emails. I think that the exact issue was
> addressed:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-June/088432.html
> 
> especially the later post by Graham Stewart:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-June/088435.html
> "Those are just very short flathead machine screws. There should be one on
> each side. The head goes in from the inside and the locknut is what shows on
> the outside. Just get a stainless steel flat head machine screw that fits
> the hole diameter, insert it from the inside. Fasten the locknut and cut off
> the extra. "
> 
> Mike
> s/v Windlass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of THOMAS
> POLISE via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 9:13 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder repair
> 
> I used the old bracket as a template and realized that the inside bolt on
> Lower bracket blocked rudder from lowering.  I was wondering if others had
> the same condition. 
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Fri Jun 25 00:03:41 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 00:03:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder repair
In-Reply-To: <86EE7880-828A-4E82-BBEE-C9FBC45DFFBC@aol.com>
References: <86EE7880-828A-4E82-BBEE-C9FBC45DFFBC.ref@aol.com>
 <86EE7880-828A-4E82-BBEE-C9FBC45DFFBC@aol.com>
Message-ID: <010601d76977$18187640$484962c0$@ca>

Thomas:

It is not a single bolt that goes all the way through. It is two short
flathead machine screws that are inserted from the inside so that the head
does not protrude into the space and interfere with the swing of the rudder.
The nuts are on the outside.

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca






-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 9:13 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder repair

I used the old bracket as a template and realized that the inside bolt on
Lower bracket blocked rudder from lowering.  I was wondering if others had
the same condition. 

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From tvpolise at aol.com  Fri Jun 25 08:42:11 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:42:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder repair
In-Reply-To: <010601d76977$18187640$484962c0$@ca>
References: <010601d76977$18187640$484962c0$@ca>
Message-ID: <FDF0CAFB-447E-4397-96F8-F51D2890A6BC@aol.com>

I guess I should have figured that out. 

> On Jun 25, 2021, at 12:03 AM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?Thomas:
> 
> It is not a single bolt that goes all the way through. It is two short
> flathead machine screws that are inserted from the inside so that the head
> does not protrude into the space and interfere with the swing of the rudder.
> The nuts are on the outside.
> 
> Graham Stewart
> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
> THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2021 9:13 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder repair
> 
> I used the old bracket as a template and realized that the inside bolt on
> Lower bracket blocked rudder from lowering.  I was wondering if others had
> the same condition. 
> 
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From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 12:06:30 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 12:06:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
In-Reply-To: <9CD6052C-CCD6-4609-9580-C39C797EB5EA@gmail.com>
References: <E1lw7Hv-00H4S7-KG@s152.servername.online>
 <9CD6052C-CCD6-4609-9580-C39C797EB5EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBDikwiN3vtHJyX3rDa9o9-UVY6AE282vD+3ejadhWAevg@mail.gmail.com>

stanspitzer93 at gmail.com

The latest email I have for Stan is stanspitzer93 at gmail.com.
I think he started using last a couple of years ago.

Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie 2000/2017

On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:25 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks for that tip, Peter.  I?m pretty sure mine is a right-hand thread,
> but I?ll check tomorrow when I?m down at the boat.
>
> Frank
>
> > On Jun 23, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > For 5 of my 6 shroud turnbuckles, that part has a right hand (i.e.
> 'normal') thread (turn the turnbuckle clockwise to tighten).  For the 6th
> turnbuckle that part has a left hand thread.  Best check to be sure.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >> On 2021-06-23, at 13:19:52 EDT, Cary Tolbert wrote:
> >>
> >> Frank, for just the bent part I think it is at binnacle.com and their
> part # is
> >> 23749 and Mfg. # is 33-605. If my OLD memory serves me correctly the
> part IS a
> >> RIGHT HAND  1/4 -28 thread SS.  Online it showed $25.25 and is called a
> toggle
> >> nut. See the picture online.
> >> Stan sells the Turnbuckle for $35. Text Stan and see what is included
> but this
> >> seems to be a better deal overall and you know it will fit your Rhodes
> 22.
> >> Stan most likely can supply both of your needed items.
> >>
> >> Cary Tolbert
> >> S/V Whisper '86
> >> Radford, VA
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 12:30:14 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 12:30:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDikwiN3vtHJyX3rDa9o9-UVY6AE282vD+3ejadhWAevg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1lw7Hv-00H4S7-KG@s152.servername.online>
 <9CD6052C-CCD6-4609-9580-C39C797EB5EA@gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBDikwiN3vtHJyX3rDa9o9-UVY6AE282vD+3ejadhWAevg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRpMX6h29Wn6obfLjDz3S=x2b2QfJLBVXKcpic=E3_vjwg@mail.gmail.com>

Bob, love your boat name.

Cary
S/V Whisper '86

On Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 12:06 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> stanspitzer93 at gmail.com
>
> The latest email I have for Stan is stanspitzer93 at gmail.com.
> I think he started using last a couple of years ago.
>
> Bob Garrant
> Sail la Vie 2000/2017
>
> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:25 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for that tip, Peter.  I?m pretty sure mine is a right-hand thread,
> > but I?ll check tomorrow when I?m down at the boat.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > > On Jun 23, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > For 5 of my 6 shroud turnbuckles, that part has a right hand (i.e.
> > 'normal') thread (turn the turnbuckle clockwise to tighten).  For the 6th
> > turnbuckle that part has a left hand thread.  Best check to be sure.
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >
> > >> On 2021-06-23, at 13:19:52 EDT, Cary Tolbert wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Frank, for just the bent part I think it is at binnacle.com and their
> > part # is
> > >> 23749 and Mfg. # is 33-605. If my OLD memory serves me correctly the
> > part IS a
> > >> RIGHT HAND  1/4 -28 thread SS.  Online it showed $25.25 and is called
> a
> > toggle
> > >> nut. See the picture online.
> > >> Stan sells the Turnbuckle for $35. Text Stan and see what is included
> > but this
> > >> seems to be a better deal overall and you know it will fit your Rhodes
> > 22.
> > >> Stan most likely can supply both of your needed items.
> > >>
> > >> Cary Tolbert
> > >> S/V Whisper '86
> > >> Radford, VA
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Jun 26 13:55:56 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 10:55:56 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Email Address
Message-ID: <E1lxCX6-007y4t-O2@s152.servername.online>


Stan,

Care to comment on this?  We want the website to have your best contact information.  The 'General Boats' page currently lists your email address as stan at generalboats.com.

--Peter

> On 2021-06-26, at 12:06:30 EDT, Bob Garrant wrote:
>
> stanspitzer93 at gmail.com 
> 
> The latest email I have for Stan is stanspitzer93 at gmail.com. 
> I think he started using last a couple of years ago.
> 
> Bob Garrant
> Sail la Vie 2000/2017
> 
> 


From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 14:06:36 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 14:06:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Email Address
Message-ID: <7ACFE85F-A64F-446A-8418-08A65044DB19@gmail.com>

?I have been communicating directly with Stan, as recently as yesterday, with the stan at generalboats.com address.

Frank 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> ?
> Stan,
> 
> Care to comment on this?  We want the website to have your best contact information.  The 'General Boats' page currently lists your email address as stan at generalboats.com.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2021-06-26, at 12:06:30 EDT, Bob Garrant wrote:
>> 
>> stanspitzer93 at gmail.com 
>> 
>> The latest email I have for Stan is stanspitzer93 at gmail.com. 
>> I think he started using last a couple of years ago.
>> 
>> Bob Garrant
>> Sail la Vie 2000/2017

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Sat Jun 26 14:28:25 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 14:28:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
In-Reply-To: <CAPQvPRpMX6h29Wn6obfLjDz3S=x2b2QfJLBVXKcpic=E3_vjwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1lw7Hv-00H4S7-KG@s152.servername.online>
 <9CD6052C-CCD6-4609-9580-C39C797EB5EA@gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBDikwiN3vtHJyX3rDa9o9-UVY6AE282vD+3ejadhWAevg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPQvPRpMX6h29Wn6obfLjDz3S=x2b2QfJLBVXKcpic=E3_vjwg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBCUE_QssSXSi8XJuPc8qfJmyXX=xAUs9c_2Acuhv=vbJg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Cary
My wife picked the name.
It was either ?Sail la Vie? or ?the Other Woman? ?
Bob


On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 12:30 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob, love your boat name.
>
> Cary
> S/V Whisper '86
>
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 12:06 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > stanspitzer93 at gmail.com
> >
> > The latest email I have for Stan is stanspitzer93 at gmail.com.
> > I think he started using last a couple of years ago.
> >
> > Bob Garrant
> > Sail la Vie 2000/2017
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:25 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for that tip, Peter.  I?m pretty sure mine is a right-hand
> thread,
> > > but I?ll check tomorrow when I?m down at the boat.
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > > On Jun 23, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > For 5 of my 6 shroud turnbuckles, that part has a right hand (i.e.
> > > 'normal') thread (turn the turnbuckle clockwise to tighten).  For the
> 6th
> > > turnbuckle that part has a left hand thread.  Best check to be sure.
> > > >
> > > > Peter Nyberg
> > > > Coventry, CT
> > > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > > >
> > > >> On 2021-06-23, at 13:19:52 EDT, Cary Tolbert wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Frank, for just the bent part I think it is at binnacle.com and
> their
> > > part # is
> > > >> 23749 and Mfg. # is 33-605. If my OLD memory serves me correctly the
> > > part IS a
> > > >> RIGHT HAND  1/4 -28 thread SS.  Online it showed $25.25 and is
> called
> > a
> > > toggle
> > > >> nut. See the picture online.
> > > >> Stan sells the Turnbuckle for $35. Text Stan and see what is
> included
> > > but this
> > > >> seems to be a better deal overall and you know it will fit your
> Rhodes
> > > 22.
> > > >> Stan most likely can supply both of your needed items.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cary Tolbert
> > > >> S/V Whisper '86
> > > >> Radford, VA
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From rodellner at mac.com  Sat Jun 26 19:03:50 2021
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2021 17:03:50 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boat parts
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBCUE_QssSXSi8XJuPc8qfJmyXX=xAUs9c_2Acuhv=vbJg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBCUE_QssSXSi8XJuPc8qfJmyXX=xAUs9c_2Acuhv=vbJg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CC5022D5-5879-4163-B154-79778972ED12@mac.com>

?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2021, at 12:28 PM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks Cary
> My wife picked the name.
> It was either ?Sail la Vie? or ?the Other Woman? ?
> Bob
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2021 at 12:30 PM Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Bob, love your boat name.
>> 
>> Cary
>> S/V Whisper '86
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jun 26, 2021, 12:06 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> stanspitzer93 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> The latest email I have for Stan is stanspitzer93 at gmail.com.
>>> I think he started using last a couple of years ago.
>>> 
>>> Bob Garrant
>>> Sail la Vie 2000/2017
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jun 24, 2021 at 2:25 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Thanks for that tip, Peter.  I?m pretty sure mine is a right-hand
>> thread,
>>>> but I?ll check tomorrow when I?m down at the boat.
>>>> 
>>>> Frank
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 23, 2021, at 2:07 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> For 5 of my 6 shroud turnbuckles, that part has a right hand (i.e.
>>>> 'normal') thread (turn the turnbuckle clockwise to tighten).  For the
>> 6th
>>>> turnbuckle that part has a left hand thread.  Best check to be sure.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2021-06-23, at 13:19:52 EDT, Cary Tolbert wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Frank, for just the bent part I think it is at binnacle.com and
>> their
>>>> part # is
>>>>>> 23749 and Mfg. # is 33-605. If my OLD memory serves me correctly the
>>>> part IS a
>>>>>> RIGHT HAND  1/4 -28 thread SS.  Online it showed $25.25 and is
>> called
>>> a
>>>> toggle
>>>>>> nut. See the picture online.
>>>>>> Stan sells the Turnbuckle for $35. Text Stan and see what is
>> included
>>>> but this
>>>>>> seems to be a better deal overall and you know it will fit your
>> Rhodes
>>>> 22.
>>>>>> Stan most likely can supply both of your needed items.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cary Tolbert
>>>>>> S/V Whisper '86
>>>>>> Radford, VA
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 

From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Jun 28 09:39:01 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 13:39:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Email Address
In-Reply-To: <E1lxCX6-007y4t-O2@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lxCX6-007y4t-O2@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB698557B4270339261B65C223C1039@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Last I knew it was the generalboats.com address. Rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2021 1:55 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan's Email Address


Stan,

Care to comment on this?  We want the website to have your best contact information.  The 'General Boats' page currently lists your email address as stan at generalboats.com.

--Peter

> On 2021-06-26, at 12:06:30 EDT, Bob Garrant wrote:
>
> stanspitzer93 at gmail.com
>
> The latest email I have for Stan is stanspitzer93 at gmail.com.
> I think he started using last a couple of years ago.
>
> Bob Garrant
> Sail la Vie 2000/2017
>
>


From stan at generalboats.com  Mon Jun 28 14:24:45 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 14:24:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <7ACFE85F-A64F-446A-8418-08A65044DB19@gmail.com>
References: <7ACFE85F-A64F-446A-8418-08A65044DB19@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f70f3cd2-3c7c-fdc5-d791-2a99b016eeac@generalboats.com>



(Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and I 
both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)


Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is 
way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is 
often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric 
typewriters.

For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails 
sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see 
emails sent BY me to others on the List.? So I sent a test email to the 
List.? Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via the List.? So 
it seems my emails arrive at the List post office and all List members 
see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not assuming). Thus I have 
become unsure as to whether any mail I send to the list is getting 
through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.

I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this 
issue.? What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I sat 
down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of the GB 
web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at that 
time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv directors 
guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having been born 
with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and some time later 
set me up with email. My current memory is that my address from that 
start was stan at generalboats.com. I liked his email set up since it was 
100% free and I was born during the great depression.?? Plus anyone who 
worked for GB did not have to have their own address, they merely put 
their name before the @ sign.?? Some where along our historic path, (I 
believe when Michael and others created the Rhodes chat room) with the 
address rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org I think they changed my address for a 
better match: stan at rhodes22.com. I did like that address as it was more 
descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new provider; the 
number of attachments were restricted and even my draft file shrunk. 
Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the original 
stan at generalboats.com address.? So when the rhodes22.com email suddenly 
stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do or die time; 
survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails. Rhodies jumped in 
with several stop gap addresses including a stan at gmail.? Not at home 
with their formats, I thought I would try the original 
stan at generalboats.com for the hell of it.? Damn if it didn't work, just 
like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or 5 years ago 
and it has continued faultless.?? It's provider: Thunderbird.

What additional info might you need?? I am inclined to guess that I 
caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some 
keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see 
my emails I sent to the list ?

stan


On 6/26/21 2:06 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote:
> I have been communicating directly with Stan, as recently as yesterday, with thestan at generalboats.com  address.
>
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com>  wrote:
>> ?
>> Stan,
>>
>> Care to comment on this?  We want the website to have your best contact information.  The 'General Boats' page currently lists your email address asstan at generalboats.com.
>>
>> --Peter
>>
>>


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Jun 28 14:40:11 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 14:40:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <f70f3cd2-3c7c-fdc5-d791-2a99b016eeac@generalboats.com>
References: <7ACFE85F-A64F-446A-8418-08A65044DB19@gmail.com>
 <f70f3cd2-3c7c-fdc5-d791-2a99b016eeac@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <01b401d76c4d$082bd190$188374b0$@ca>

Stan:
I seem to be getting everything you have posted to the list.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario






-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of stan
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 2:25 PM
To: Peter via the Rhodes List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue



(Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and I 
both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)


Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is 
way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is 
often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric 
typewriters.

For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails 
sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see 
emails sent BY me to others on the List.  So I sent a test email to the 
List.  Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via the List.  So 
it seems my emails arrive at the List post office and all List members 
see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not assuming). Thus I have 
become unsure as to whether any mail I send to the list is getting 
through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.

I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this 
issue.  What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I sat 
down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of the GB 
web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at that 
time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv directors 
guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having been born 
with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and some time later 
set me up with email. My current memory is that my address from that 
start was stan at generalboats.com. I liked his email set up since it was 
100% free and I was born during the great depression.   Plus anyone who 
worked for GB did not have to have their own address, they merely put 
their name before the @ sign.   Some where along our historic path, (I 
believe when Michael and others created the Rhodes chat room) with the 
address rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org I think they changed my address for a 
better match: stan at rhodes22.com. I did like that address as it was more 
descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new provider; the 
number of attachments were restricted and even my draft file shrunk. 
Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the original 
stan at generalboats.com address.  So when the rhodes22.com email suddenly 
stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do or die time; 
survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails. Rhodies jumped in 
with several stop gap addresses including a stan at gmail.  Not at home 
with their formats, I thought I would try the original 
stan at generalboats.com for the hell of it.  Damn if it didn't work, just 
like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or 5 years ago 
and it has continued faultless.   It's provider: Thunderbird.

What additional info might you need?  I am inclined to guess that I 
caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some 
keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see 
my emails I sent to the list ?

stan


On 6/26/21 2:06 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote:
> I have been communicating directly with Stan, as recently as yesterday, with thestan at generalboats.com  address.
>
> Frank
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com>  wrote:
>> ?
>> Stan,
>>
>> Care to comment on this?  We want the website to have your best contact information.  The 'General Boats' page currently lists your email address asstan at generalboats.com.
>>
>> --Peter
>>
>>


From stan at generalboats.com  Mon Jun 28 15:08:28 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 15:08:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <f70f3cd2-3c7c-fdc5-d791-2a99b016eeac@generalboats.com>
References: <7ACFE85F-A64F-446A-8418-08A65044DB19@gmail.com>
 <f70f3cd2-3c7c-fdc5-d791-2a99b016eeac@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <4904885d-96c9-b035-2469-74a2e5fd5849@generalboats.com>

Peter, I rest my case.?? The test email to you (below) arrived in my 
sent file with no issues but never came into my inbox as a List member 
(which I think I am, being an owner of a dozen or more Rhodes).

If /*you*/ do not receive this email, I rest my second case.

ss


On 6/28/21 2:24 PM, stan wrote:
> (Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and 
> I both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)
>
>
> Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is 
> way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is 
> often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric 
> typewriters.
>
> For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails 
> sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see 
> emails sent BY me to others on the List.? So I sent a test email to 
> the List.? Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via the 
> List.? So it seems my emails arrive at the List post office and all 
> List members see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not assuming). 
> Thus I have become unsure as to whether any mail I send to the list is 
> getting through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.
>
> I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this 
> issue.? What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I sat 
> down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of the 
> GB web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at 
> that time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv 
> directors guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having 
> been born with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and 
> some time later set me up with email. My current memory is that my 
> address from that start was stan at generalboats.com. I liked his email 
> set up since it was 100% free and I was born during the great 
> depression.?? Plus anyone who worked for GB did not have to have their 
> own address, they merely put their name before the @ sign.?? Some 
> where along our historic path, (I believe when Michael and others 
> created the Rhodes chat room) with the address 
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org I think they changed my address for a 
> better match: stan at rhodes22.com. I did like that address as it was 
> more descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new 
> provider; the number of attachments were restricted and even my draft 
> file shrunk. Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the 
> original stan at generalboats.com address.? So when the rhodes22.com 
> email suddenly stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do 
> or die time; survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails. 
> Rhodies jumped in with several stop gap addresses including a 
> stan at gmail.? Not at home with their formats, I thought I would try the 
> original stan at generalboats.com for the hell of it.? Damn if it didn't 
> work, just like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or 
> 5 years ago and it has continued faultless.?? It's provider: Thunderbird.
>
> What additional info might you need?? I am inclined to guess that I 
> caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some 
> keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see 
> my emails I sent to the list ?
>
> stan
>
>
> On 6/26/21 2:06 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote:
>> I have been communicating directly with Stan, as recently as 
>> yesterday, with thestan at generalboats.com address.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com>? 
>>> wrote:
>>> ?
>>> Stan,
>>>
>>> Care to comment on this?? We want the website to have your best 
>>> contact information.? The 'General Boats' page currently lists your 
>>> email address asstan at generalboats.com.
>>>
>>> --Peter
>>>
>>>
>


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 28 15:56:55 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 15:56:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need trailering advice
Message-ID: <134401d76c57$bf5b8680$3e129380$@gmail.com>

Hi All,

 

I am a new Rhodie preparing to take my Rhodes on the road for the first time
solo next month.  I'd greatly appreciate your advice about best practices
and precautions for securing the boat for travel.  Has anyone developed a
checklist for that?

 

Thank you in advance!

 

Mike McKay

s/v Liber 2006/2018


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From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Mon Jun 28 19:10:05 2021
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 19:10:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <4904885d-96c9-b035-2469-74a2e5fd5849@generalboats.com>
References: <7ACFE85F-A64F-446A-8418-08A65044DB19@gmail.com>
 <f70f3cd2-3c7c-fdc5-d791-2a99b016eeac@generalboats.com>
 <4904885d-96c9-b035-2469-74a2e5fd5849@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAJGJx+Ab290c_CSAGMrQDOjqQn47NHfXtvHU6Pj0_u9MgkLARw@mail.gmail.com>

Stan,
I never see my own postings either, until someone responds.  I do get a
bounce message that my email titled xyz was received by the list.  I am
using gmail.  And I do have them in my sent mail.
Patrick R.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:08 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Peter, I rest my case.   The test email to you (below) arrived in my
> sent file with no issues but never came into my inbox as a List member
> (which I think I am, being an owner of a dozen or more Rhodes).
>
> If /*you*/ do not receive this email, I rest my second case.
>
> ss
>
>
> On 6/28/21 2:24 PM, stan wrote:
> > (Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and
> > I both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)
> >
> >
> > Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is
> > way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is
> > often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric
> > typewriters.
> >
> > For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails
> > sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see
> > emails sent BY me to others on the List.  So I sent a test email to
> > the List.  Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via the
> > List.  So it seems my emails arrive at the List post office and all
> > List members see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not assuming).
> > Thus I have become unsure as to whether any mail I send to the list is
> > getting through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.
> >
> > I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this
> > issue.  What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I sat
> > down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of the
> > GB web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at
> > that time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv
> > directors guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having
> > been born with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and
> > some time later set me up with email. My current memory is that my
> > address from that start was stan at generalboats.com. I liked his email
> > set up since it was 100% free and I was born during the great
> > depression.   Plus anyone who worked for GB did not have to have their
> > own address, they merely put their name before the @ sign.   Some
> > where along our historic path, (I believe when Michael and others
> > created the Rhodes chat room) with the address
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org I think they changed my address for a
> > better match: stan at rhodes22.com. I did like that address as it was
> > more descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new
> > provider; the number of attachments were restricted and even my draft
> > file shrunk. Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the
> > original stan at generalboats.com address.  So when the rhodes22.com
> > email suddenly stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do
> > or die time; survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails.
> > Rhodies jumped in with several stop gap addresses including a
> > stan at gmail.  Not at home with their formats, I thought I would try the
> > original stan at generalboats.com for the hell of it.  Damn if it didn't
> > work, just like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or
> > 5 years ago and it has continued faultless.   It's provider: Thunderbird.
> >
> > What additional info might you need?  I am inclined to guess that I
> > caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some
> > keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see
> > my emails I sent to the list ?
> >
> > stan
> >
> >
> > On 6/26/21 2:06 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote:
> >> I have been communicating directly with Stan, as recently as
> >> yesterday, with thestan at generalboats.com address.
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> ?
> >>> Stan,
> >>>
> >>> Care to comment on this?  We want the website to have your best
> >>> contact information.  The 'General Boats' page currently lists your
> >>> email address asstan at generalboats.com.
> >>>
> >>> --Peter
> >>>
> >>>
> >
>
>

From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Mon Jun 28 19:13:51 2021
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 19:13:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Free Westerly
Message-ID: <CAJGJx+ADaw+_w5ooR=7vR8=gagUdxk-8-uwdH5d=x_GvQwPLrw@mail.gmail.com>

I came across this on the Wash D.C. craiglists "free" items (looking for
old deck wood to build a dog ladder...).  I always though these twin keels
would be cool but too much for me to take on.
29' Westerly Konsort Twin Keel - free stuff (craigslist.org)
<https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/zip/d/quantico-29-westerly-konsort-twin-keel/7335528964.html>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Jun 28 21:57:28 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 20:57:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <CAJGJx+Ab290c_CSAGMrQDOjqQn47NHfXtvHU6Pj0_u9MgkLARw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7ACFE85F-A64F-446A-8418-08A65044DB19@gmail.com>
 <f70f3cd2-3c7c-fdc5-d791-2a99b016eeac@generalboats.com>
 <4904885d-96c9-b035-2469-74a2e5fd5849@generalboats.com>
 <CAJGJx+Ab290c_CSAGMrQDOjqQn47NHfXtvHU6Pj0_u9MgkLARw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWumqU9048NH1KO6Nr49qZ6M+bZsDrOwKF9rNcoULtB7Q@mail.gmail.com>

I too seem to not see my email I send until someone responds. Then I see
it. Curiouser and curiouser.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis/ Xenos.

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 6:10 PM PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Stan,
> I never see my own postings either, until someone responds.  I do get a
> bounce message that my email titled xyz was received by the list.  I am
> using gmail.  And I do have them in my sent mail.
> Patrick R.
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:08 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
> > Peter, I rest my case.   The test email to you (below) arrived in my
> > sent file with no issues but never came into my inbox as a List member
> > (which I think I am, being an owner of a dozen or more Rhodes).
> >
> > If /*you*/ do not receive this email, I rest my second case.
> >
> > ss
> >
> >
> > On 6/28/21 2:24 PM, stan wrote:
> > > (Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and
> > > I both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)
> > >
> > >
> > > Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is
> > > way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is
> > > often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric
> > > typewriters.
> > >
> > > For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails
> > > sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see
> > > emails sent BY me to others on the List.  So I sent a test email to
> > > the List.  Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via the
> > > List.  So it seems my emails arrive at the List post office and all
> > > List members see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not assuming).
> > > Thus I have become unsure as to whether any mail I send to the list is
> > > getting through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.
> > >
> > > I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this
> > > issue.  What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I sat
> > > down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of the
> > > GB web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at
> > > that time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv
> > > directors guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having
> > > been born with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and
> > > some time later set me up with email. My current memory is that my
> > > address from that start was stan at generalboats.com. I liked his email
> > > set up since it was 100% free and I was born during the great
> > > depression.   Plus anyone who worked for GB did not have to have their
> > > own address, they merely put their name before the @ sign.   Some
> > > where along our historic path, (I believe when Michael and others
> > > created the Rhodes chat room) with the address
> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org I think they changed my address for a
> > > better match: stan at rhodes22.com. I did like that address as it was
> > > more descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new
> > > provider; the number of attachments were restricted and even my draft
> > > file shrunk. Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the
> > > original stan at generalboats.com address.  So when the rhodes22.com
> > > email suddenly stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do
> > > or die time; survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails.
> > > Rhodies jumped in with several stop gap addresses including a
> > > stan at gmail.  Not at home with their formats, I thought I would try the
> > > original stan at generalboats.com for the hell of it.  Damn if it didn't
> > > work, just like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or
> > > 5 years ago and it has continued faultless.   It's provider:
> Thunderbird.
> > >
> > > What additional info might you need?  I am inclined to guess that I
> > > caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some
> > > keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see
> > > my emails I sent to the list ?
> > >
> > > stan
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/26/21 2:06 PM, Frank Goldsmith wrote:
> > >> I have been communicating directly with Stan, as recently as
> > >> yesterday, with thestan at generalboats.com address.
> > >>
> > >> Frank
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >>> On Jun 26, 2021, at 1:56 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>> ?
> > >>> Stan,
> > >>>
> > >>> Care to comment on this?  We want the website to have your best
> > >>> contact information.  The 'General Boats' page currently lists your
> > >>> email address asstan at generalboats.com.
> > >>>
> > >>> --Peter
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> >
> >
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Jun 28 22:32:03 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 19:32:03 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
Message-ID: <E1ly3Xf-000Ym5-KC@s152.servername.online>

OK, so there's a lot to unpack here.  I guess I know how I'm going to be spending the rest of my evening.  (I'm a very slow writer...)

First,  in my original post, I was merely trying to make sure we all knew what Stan's best email address was.  I think that we have at least answered that question.  The best way to contact Stan via email is still stan at generalboats.com.  

Second, Stan doesn't get copies of posts to the list sent back to him, so he's never sure if he's really sent them.  I'm sure there are many possible explanations for this, but one that pops up in my mind first is that there's a setting for this exact behavior.  In the list Admin pages, it's labeled "Receive your own posts to the list?".  If this is set to 'No', then posts you send to the list are sent to everyone else on the list, but are not sent back to you.  

Being a mere mortal, I can't see what Stan's subscription option settings are.  I'd rather not have to take the time to write out detailed instructions for how Stan (or anyone else) could sign in and review how their subscription options are set.  So, Mike, is it possible for you to check on this?

Third, Stan's internet domains appear to be a mystery to him.  I'm guessing that 'Thunderbird' is the email client he's using, not his 'provider'.  Both 'rhodes22.com' and 'generalboats.com' appear to be functional websites.  Emails to 'rhodes22.com' stopped working at some point, and no one knows why.  Emails to 'generalboats.com' continue to work.  Stan says that the 'generalboats.com' email is '100% free', but obviously that's not really true. Someone is paying for it. 

--Peter

> On 2021-06-28, at 14:24:45 EDT, stan wrote:
>
> 
> (Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and I both 
> get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it) 
> 
> 
> Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is way above 
> my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is often understandable, 
> even by those of us brought up on IBM electric typewriters. 
> 
> For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails sent by 
> others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see emails sent BY me 
> to others on the List.&nbsp; So I sent a test email to the List.&nbsp; Three 3 
> List readers said my test got to them via the List.&nbsp; So it seems my emails 
> arrive at the List post office and all List members see them (I am assuming), 
> except me (I am not assuming). Thus I have become unsure as to whether any mail 
> I send to the list is getting through since my mail to the List does not show in 
> my inbox. 
> 
> I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this issue.&nbsp; 
> What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I sat down in his smoke 
> filled NYC office and argued over the making of the GB web site; me being a jack 
> of all trades, master of none, was at that time carrying a union card as a 
> member of the radio and tv directors guild with a little copywriting on the 
> side, Michael, having been born with a computer in his mouth, did the first web 
> site and some time later set me up with email. My current memory is that my 
> address from that start was <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> generalboats.com.</a> I liked his email set up since it was 
> 100% free and I was born during the great depression.&nbsp;&nbsp; Plus anyone 
> who worked for GB did not have to have their own address, they merely put their 
> name before the @ sign.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some where along our historic path, (I 
> believe when Michael and others created the Rhodes chat room) with the address 
> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-list at 
> rhodes22.org</a> I think they changed my address for a 
> better match: <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan 
> at rhodes22.com.</a> I did like that address as it was more 
> descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new provider; the number 
> of attachments were restricted and even my draft file shrunk. Luckily dumb luck 
> had no one bothering to cancel the original <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> generalboats.com</a> address.&nbsp; So when the rhodes22.com email suddenly 
> stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do or die time; survival was 
> linked to the mountains of daily emails. Rhodies jumped in with several stop gap 
> addresses including a <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> gmail.</a>&nbsp; Not at home 
> with their formats, I thought I would try the original
> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> generalboats.com</a> for the hell of it.&nbsp; Damn if it didn't work, just 
> like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or 5 years ago and it 
> has continued faultless.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's provider: Thunderbird. 
> 
> What additional info might you need?&nbsp; I am inclined to guess that I caused 
> the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some keyboard key that 
> gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see my emails I sent to the 
> list ? 
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Jun 28 22:51:15 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 19:51:15 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need trailering advice
Message-ID: <E1ly3qF-000gxf-MG@s152.servername.online>

I don't have a checklist, but here are some things I do:

1) I take the trailer to a trailer shop pretty much every year for a thorough going over.  This is not cheap, but I'm kind of paranoid about this.

2) Before any trips, I take the boat and trailer out for a 'test run' of at least 15 minutes.  Then I carefully use my fingers to check the temperature of each wheel hub.  If any are hot, go back to step 1.  Hot means you can't keep your fingers on the hub.  Warm is OK. 

3) Inside the boat, I haven't found the need to do very much to secure stuff.  Things will get bounced around some, but not too severely.

> On 2021-06-28, at 15:56:55 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> 
> 
> 
> I am a new Rhodie preparing to take my Rhodes on the road for the first time 
> solo next month.  I'd greatly appreciate your advice about best practices and 
> precautions for securing the boat for travel.  Has anyone developed a checklist 
> for that? 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> 
> 
> 
> Mike McKay
> 
> s/v Liber 2006/2018
> 
> 
>   _____
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Jun 28 23:49:35 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 23:49:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <E1ly3Xf-000Ym5-KC@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1ly3Xf-000Ym5-KC@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <005701d76c99$c7a03380$56e09a80$@ebsmed.com>

OK. I have been trying to track down this problem for Stan since Father's Day.

Using my secret decoder ring to gain access to the administrative control panel The GNU Mailman list permits me to view or change any settings for Stan. The "Receive your own posts to the list?" is set to "Yes".  The "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" is set to "Yes". I do not think that it is the list.

My guess is that a "rule" may exist in Stan's Thunderbird email client that throws away emails "From the sender". I'm not knowledgeable about Thunderbird so it is just a guess.

As far as site hosting and domain registration benefactors go, I would look to Michael Meltzer. "Hello, Michael, is this thing on?"

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 10:32 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue

OK, so there's a lot to unpack here.  I guess I know how I'm going to be spending the rest of my evening.  (I'm a very slow writer...)

First,  in my original post, I was merely trying to make sure we all knew what Stan's best email address was.  I think that we have at least answered that question.  The best way to contact Stan via email is still stan at generalboats.com.  

Second, Stan doesn't get copies of posts to the list sent back to him, so he's never sure if he's really sent them.  I'm sure there are many possible explanations for this, but one that pops up in my mind first is that there's a setting for this exact behavior.  In the list Admin pages, it's labeled "Receive your own posts to the list?".  If this is set to 'No', then posts you send to the list are sent to everyone else on the list, but are not sent back to you.  

Being a mere mortal, I can't see what Stan's subscription option settings are.  I'd rather not have to take the time to write out detailed instructions for how Stan (or anyone else) could sign in and review how their subscription options are set.  So, Mike, is it possible for you to check on this?

Third, Stan's internet domains appear to be a mystery to him.  I'm guessing that 'Thunderbird' is the email client he's using, not his 'provider'.  Both 'rhodes22.com' and 'generalboats.com' appear to be functional websites.  Emails to 'rhodes22.com' stopped working at some point, and no one knows why.  Emails to 'generalboats.com' continue to work.  Stan says that the 'generalboats.com' email is '100% free', but obviously that's not really true. Someone is paying for it. 

--Peter

> On 2021-06-28, at 14:24:45 EDT, stan wrote:
>
> 
> (Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and 
> I both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)
> 
> 
> Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is 
> way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is 
> often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric typewriters.
> 
> For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails 
> sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see 
> emails sent BY me to others on the List.&nbsp; So I sent a test email 
> to the List.&nbsp; Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via 
> the List.&nbsp; So it seems my emails arrive at the List post office 
> and all List members see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not 
> assuming). Thus I have become unsure as to whether any mail I send to 
> the list is getting through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.
> 
> I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this 
> issue.&nbsp; What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I 
> sat down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of 
> the GB web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at 
> that time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv 
> directors guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having 
> been born with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and 
> some time later set me up with email. My current memory is that my 
> address from that start was <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> generalboats.com.</a> I liked his email set up since it was 100% free 
> and I was born during the great depression.&nbsp;&nbsp; Plus anyone 
> who worked for GB did not have to have their own address, they merely 
> put their name before the @ sign.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some where along our 
> historic path, (I believe when Michael and others created the Rhodes 
> chat room) with the address <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-lis
> t at rhodes22.org</a> I think they changed my address for a better 
> match: <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan
> at rhodes22.com.</a> I did like that address as it was more 
> descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new provider; 
> the number of attachments were restricted and even my draft file 
> shrunk. Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the original 
> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> generalboats.com</a> address.&nbsp; So when the rhodes22.com email 
> suddenly stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do or die 
> time; survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails. Rhodies 
> jumped in with several stop gap addresses including a <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> gmail.</a>&nbsp; Not at home with their formats, I thought I would try 
> the original <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
> generalboats.com</a> for the hell of it.&nbsp; Damn if it didn't work, 
> just like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or 5 
> years ago and it has continued faultless.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's provider: Thunderbird.
> 
> What additional info might you need?&nbsp; I am inclined to guess that 
> I caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some 
> keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see 
> my emails I sent to the list ?
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> 


From rodellner at mac.com  Tue Jun 29 00:29:05 2021
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2021 22:29:05 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <005701d76c99$c7a03380$56e09a80$@ebsmed.com>
References: <005701d76c99$c7a03380$56e09a80$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <2EB34301-7B75-4640-A6F5-33F3A2CFFC2E@mac.com>

Aha??.the clue resurfaces??it?s the secret DECODER ring that is needed
Love it.   Maybe used with a bit of Mt Gay rum ?. Fair winds to all



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 28, 2021, at 9:49 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?OK. I have been trying to track down this problem for Stan since Father's Day.
> 
> Using my secret decoder ring to gain access to the administrative control panel The GNU Mailman list permits me to view or change any settings for Stan. The "Receive your own posts to the list?" is set to "Yes".  The "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" is set to "Yes". I do not think that it is the list.
> 
> My guess is that a "rule" may exist in Stan's Thunderbird email client that throws away emails "From the sender". I'm not knowledgeable about Thunderbird so it is just a guess.
> 
> As far as site hosting and domain registration benefactors go, I would look to Michael Meltzer. "Hello, Michael, is this thing on?"
> 
> Mike
> s/v Windlass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 10:32 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
> 
> OK, so there's a lot to unpack here.  I guess I know how I'm going to be spending the rest of my evening.  (I'm a very slow writer...)
> 
> First,  in my original post, I was merely trying to make sure we all knew what Stan's best email address was.  I think that we have at least answered that question.  The best way to contact Stan via email is still stan at generalboats.com.  
> 
> Second, Stan doesn't get copies of posts to the list sent back to him, so he's never sure if he's really sent them.  I'm sure there are many possible explanations for this, but one that pops up in my mind first is that there's a setting for this exact behavior.  In the list Admin pages, it's labeled "Receive your own posts to the list?".  If this is set to 'No', then posts you send to the list are sent to everyone else on the list, but are not sent back to you.  
> 
> Being a mere mortal, I can't see what Stan's subscription option settings are.  I'd rather not have to take the time to write out detailed instructions for how Stan (or anyone else) could sign in and review how their subscription options are set.  So, Mike, is it possible for you to check on this?
> 
> Third, Stan's internet domains appear to be a mystery to him.  I'm guessing that 'Thunderbird' is the email client he's using, not his 'provider'.  Both 'rhodes22.com' and 'generalboats.com' appear to be functional websites.  Emails to 'rhodes22.com' stopped working at some point, and no one knows why.  Emails to 'generalboats.com' continue to work.  Stan says that the 'generalboats.com' email is '100% free', but obviously that's not really true. Someone is paying for it. 
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2021-06-28, at 14:24:45 EDT, stan wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> (Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and 
>> I both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)
>> 
>> 
>> Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is 
>> way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is 
>> often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric typewriters.
>> 
>> For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails 
>> sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see 
>> emails sent BY me to others on the List.&nbsp; So I sent a test email 
>> to the List.&nbsp; Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via
>> the List.&nbsp; So it seems my emails arrive at the List post office 
>> and all List members see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not 
>> assuming). Thus I have become unsure as to whether any mail I send to 
>> the list is getting through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.
>> 
>> I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this 
>> issue.&nbsp; What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I 
>> sat down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of 
>> the GB web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at 
>> that time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv 
>> directors guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having 
>> been born with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and 
>> some time later set me up with email. My current memory is that my 
>> address from that start was <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
>> generalboats.com.</a> I liked his email set up since it was 100% free 
>> and I was born during the great depression.&nbsp;&nbsp; Plus anyone 
>> who worked for GB did not have to have their own address, they merely
>> put their name before the @ sign.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some where along our 
>> historic path, (I believe when Michael and others created the Rhodes 
>> chat room) with the address <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-lis
>> t at rhodes22.org</a> I think they changed my address for a better 
>> match: <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan
>> at rhodes22.com.</a> I did like that address as it was more 
>> descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new provider; 
>> the number of attachments were restricted and even my draft file 
>> shrunk. Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the original 
>> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
>> generalboats.com</a> address.&nbsp; So when the rhodes22.com email 
>> suddenly stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do or die 
>> time; survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails. Rhodies 
>> jumped in with several stop gap addresses including a <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
>> gmail.</a>&nbsp; Not at home with their formats, I thought I would try 
>> the original <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
>> generalboats.com</a> for the hell of it.&nbsp; Damn if it didn't work, 
>> just like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or 5 
>> years ago and it has continued faultless.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's provider: Thunderbird.
>> 
>> What additional info might you need?&nbsp; I am inclined to guess that 
>> I caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some 
>> keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see 
>> my emails I sent to the list ?
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 07:01:06 2021
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 07:01:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <005701d76c99$c7a03380$56e09a80$@ebsmed.com>
References: <E1ly3Xf-000Ym5-KC@s152.servername.online>
 <005701d76c99$c7a03380$56e09a80$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <01FFB389-676A-4D44-AC2C-55BAC3D4EF14@gmail.com>

Michael,

I do not get copies of my own postings either.

Luis A. Guzm?n II
S/V Aquetxali

> On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:49 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> OK. I have been trying to track down this problem for Stan since Father's Day.
> 
> Using my secret decoder ring to gain access to the administrative control panel The GNU Mailman list permits me to view or change any settings for Stan. The "Receive your own posts to the list?" is set to "Yes".  The "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" is set to "Yes". I do not think that it is the list.
> 
> My guess is that a "rule" may exist in Stan's Thunderbird email client that throws away emails "From the sender". I'm not knowledgeable about Thunderbird so it is just a guess.
> 
> As far as site hosting and domain registration benefactors go, I would look to Michael Meltzer. "Hello, Michael, is this thing on?"
> 
> Mike
> s/v Windlass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 10:32 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
> 
> OK, so there's a lot to unpack here.  I guess I know how I'm going to be spending the rest of my evening.  (I'm a very slow writer...)
> 
> First,  in my original post, I was merely trying to make sure we all knew what Stan's best email address was.  I think that we have at least answered that question.  The best way to contact Stan via email is still stan at generalboats.com.  
> 
> Second, Stan doesn't get copies of posts to the list sent back to him, so he's never sure if he's really sent them.  I'm sure there are many possible explanations for this, but one that pops up in my mind first is that there's a setting for this exact behavior.  In the list Admin pages, it's labeled "Receive your own posts to the list?".  If this is set to 'No', then posts you send to the list are sent to everyone else on the list, but are not sent back to you.  
> 
> Being a mere mortal, I can't see what Stan's subscription option settings are.  I'd rather not have to take the time to write out detailed instructions for how Stan (or anyone else) could sign in and review how their subscription options are set.  So, Mike, is it possible for you to check on this?
> 
> Third, Stan's internet domains appear to be a mystery to him.  I'm guessing that 'Thunderbird' is the email client he's using, not his 'provider'.  Both 'rhodes22.com' and 'generalboats.com' appear to be functional websites.  Emails to 'rhodes22.com' stopped working at some point, and no one knows why.  Emails to 'generalboats.com' continue to work.  Stan says that the 'generalboats.com' email is '100% free', but obviously that's not really true. Someone is paying for it. 
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2021-06-28, at 14:24:45 EDT, stan wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> (Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and 
>> I both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)
>> 
>> 
>> Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is 
>> way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is 
>> often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric typewriters.
>> 
>> For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails 
>> sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see 
>> emails sent BY me to others on the List.&nbsp; So I sent a test email 
>> to the List.&nbsp; Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via 
>> the List.&nbsp; So it seems my emails arrive at the List post office 
>> and all List members see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not 
>> assuming). Thus I have become unsure as to whether any mail I send to 
>> the list is getting through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.
>> 
>> I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this 
>> issue.&nbsp; What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I 
>> sat down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of 
>> the GB web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at 
>> that time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv 
>> directors guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having 
>> been born with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and 
>> some time later set me up with email. My current memory is that my 
>> address from that start was <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
>> generalboats.com.</a> I liked his email set up since it was 100% free 
>> and I was born during the great depression.&nbsp;&nbsp; Plus anyone 
>> who worked for GB did not have to have their own address, they merely 
>> put their name before the @ sign.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some where along our 
>> historic path, (I believe when Michael and others created the Rhodes 
>> chat room) with the address <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-lis
>> t at rhodes22.org</a> I think they changed my address for a better 
>> match: <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan
>> at rhodes22.com.</a> I did like that address as it was more 
>> descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new provider; 
>> the number of attachments were restricted and even my draft file 
>> shrunk. Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the original 
>> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
>> generalboats.com</a> address.&nbsp; So when the rhodes22.com email 
>> suddenly stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do or die 
>> time; survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails. Rhodies 
>> jumped in with several stop gap addresses including a <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
>> gmail.</a>&nbsp; Not at home with their formats, I thought I would try 
>> the original <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at 
>> generalboats.com</a> for the hell of it.&nbsp; Damn if it didn't work, 
>> just like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or 5 
>> years ago and it has continued faultless.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's provider: Thunderbird.
>> 
>> What additional info might you need?&nbsp; I am inclined to guess that 
>> I caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some 
>> keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see 
>> my emails I sent to the list ?
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 


From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 07:07:27 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 07:07:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
Message-ID: <66A23977-5B66-4297-B7DB-29D0DE27DB71@gmail.com>

?Nor do I. I think that?s common with listservs, but I?m no expert. 

Frank 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 29, 2021, at 7:01 AM, Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Michael,
> 
> I do not get copies of my own postings either.
> 
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
> S/V Aquetxali
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:49 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> OK. I have been trying to track down this problem for Stan since Father's Day.
>> Using my secret decoder ring to gain access to the administrative control panel The GNU Mailman list permits me to view or change any settings for Stan. The "Receive your own posts to the list?" is set to "Yes".  The "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" is set to "Yes". I do not think that it is the list.
>> My guess is that a "rule" may exist in Stan's Thunderbird email client that throws away emails "From the sender". I'm not knowledgeable about Thunderbird so it is just a guess.
>> As far as site hosting and domain registration benefactors go, I would look to Michael Meltzer. "Hello, Michael, is this thing on?"
>> Mike
>> s/v Windlass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 10:32 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
>> OK, so there's a lot to unpack here.  I guess I know how I'm going to be spending the rest of my evening.  (I'm a very slow writer...)
>> First,  in my original post, I was merely trying to make sure we all knew what Stan's best email address was.  I think that we have at least answered that question.  The best way to contact Stan via email is still stan at generalboats.com.  
>> Second, Stan doesn't get copies of posts to the list sent back to him, so he's never sure if he's really sent them.  I'm sure there are many possible explanations for this, but one that pops up in my mind first is that there's a setting for this exact behavior.  In the list Admin pages, it's labeled "Receive your own posts to the list?".  If this is set to 'No', then posts you send to the list are sent to everyone else on the list, but are not sent back to you.  
>> Being a mere mortal, I can't see what Stan's subscription option settings are.  I'd rather not have to take the time to write out detailed instructions for how Stan (or anyone else) could sign in and review how their subscription options are set.  So, Mike, is it possible for you to check on this?
>> Third, Stan's internet domains appear to be a mystery to him.  I'm guessing that 'Thunderbird' is the email client he's using, not his 'provider'.  Both 'rhodes22.com' and 'generalboats.com' appear to be functional websites.  Emails to 'rhodes22.com' stopped working at some point, and no one knows why.  Emails to 'generalboats.com' continue to work.  Stan says that the 'generalboats.com' email is '100% free', but obviously that's not really true. Someone is paying for it.
>> --Peter
>>>> On 2021-06-28, at 14:24:45 EDT, stan wrote:
>>> (Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and
>>> I both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)
>>> Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is
>>> way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is
>>> often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric typewriters.
>>> For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails
>>> sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see
>>> emails sent BY me to others on the List.&nbsp; So I sent a test email
>>> to the List.&nbsp; Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via
>>> the List.&nbsp; So it seems my emails arrive at the List post office
>>> and all List members see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not
>>> assuming). Thus I have become unsure as to whether any mail I send to
>>> the list is getting through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.
>>> I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this
>>> issue.&nbsp; What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I
>>> sat down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of
>>> the GB web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at
>>> that time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv
>>> directors guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having
>>> been born with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and
>>> some time later set me up with email. My current memory is that my
>>> address from that start was <a
>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at
>>> generalboats.com.</a> I liked his email set up since it was 100% free
>>> and I was born during the great depression.&nbsp;&nbsp; Plus anyone
>>> who worked for GB did not have to have their own address, they merely
>>> put their name before the @ sign.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some where along our
>>> historic path, (I believe when Michael and others created the Rhodes
>>> chat room) with the address <a
>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-lis
>>> t at rhodes22.org</a> I think they changed my address for a better
>>> match: <a
>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan
>>> at rhodes22.com.</a> I did like that address as it was more
>>> descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new provider;
>>> the number of attachments were restricted and even my draft file
>>> shrunk. Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the original
>>> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at
>>> generalboats.com</a> address.&nbsp; So when the rhodes22.com email
>>> suddenly stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do or die
>>> time; survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails. Rhodies
>>> jumped in with several stop gap addresses including a <a
>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at
>>> gmail.</a>&nbsp; Not at home with their formats, I thought I would try
>>> the original <a
>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at
>>> generalboats.com</a> for the hell of it.&nbsp; Damn if it didn't work,
>>> just like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or 5
>>> years ago and it has continued faultless.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's provider: Thunderbird.
>>> What additional info might you need?&nbsp; I am inclined to guess that
>>> I caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some
>>> keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see
>>> my emails I sent to the list ?
>>> stan

From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 08:22:02 2021
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 08:22:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <66A23977-5B66-4297-B7DB-29D0DE27DB71@gmail.com>
References: <66A23977-5B66-4297-B7DB-29D0DE27DB71@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F75A4B68-B561-47E7-A008-AE29B876316A@gmail.com>

Generalboats.com is a domain registered with GoDaddy

Rhodes.org is registered with Network Solutions 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2021, at 7:07 AM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Nor do I. I think that?s common with listservs, but I?m no expert. 
> 
> Frank 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 7:01 AM, Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Michael,
>> 
>> I do not get copies of my own postings either.
>> 
>> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>> S/V Aquetxali
>> 
>>>> On Jun 28, 2021, at 11:49 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>> OK. I have been trying to track down this problem for Stan since Father's Day.
>>> Using my secret decoder ring to gain access to the administrative control panel The GNU Mailman list permits me to view or change any settings for Stan. The "Receive your own posts to the list?" is set to "Yes".  The "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" is set to "Yes". I do not think that it is the list.
>>> My guess is that a "rule" may exist in Stan's Thunderbird email client that throws away emails "From the sender". I'm not knowledgeable about Thunderbird so it is just a guess.
>>> As far as site hosting and domain registration benefactors go, I would look to Michael Meltzer. "Hello, Michael, is this thing on?"
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Windlass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
>>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2021 10:32 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
>>> OK, so there's a lot to unpack here.  I guess I know how I'm going to be spending the rest of my evening.  (I'm a very slow writer...)
>>> First,  in my original post, I was merely trying to make sure we all knew what Stan's best email address was.  I think that we have at least answered that question.  The best way to contact Stan via email is still stan at generalboats.com.  
>>> Second, Stan doesn't get copies of posts to the list sent back to him, so he's never sure if he's really sent them.  I'm sure there are many possible explanations for this, but one that pops up in my mind first is that there's a setting for this exact behavior.  In the list Admin pages, it's labeled "Receive your own posts to the list?".  If this is set to 'No', then posts you send to the list are sent to everyone else on the list, but are not sent back to you.  
>>> Being a mere mortal, I can't see what Stan's subscription option settings are.  I'd rather not have to take the time to write out detailed instructions for how Stan (or anyone else) could sign in and review how their subscription options are set.  So, Mike, is it possible for you to check on this?
>>> Third, Stan's internet domains appear to be a mystery to him.  I'm guessing that 'Thunderbird' is the email client he's using, not his 'provider'.  Both 'rhodes22.com' and 'generalboats.com' appear to be functional websites.  Emails to 'rhodes22.com' stopped working at some point, and no one knows why.  Emails to 'generalboats.com' continue to work.  Stan says that the 'generalboats.com' email is '100% free', but obviously that's not really true. Someone is paying for it.
>>> --Peter
>>>>> On 2021-06-28, at 14:24:45 EDT, stan wrote:
>>>> (Peter, I am sending this to you via the Rhodes list to see if you and
>>>> I both get it or you get it and I don't or no one gets it)
>>>> Peter, thanks for your note and I do care to comment on it since it is
>>>> way above my pay grade and your coverage of these kinds of issues is
>>>> often understandable, even by those of us brought up on IBM electric typewriters.
>>>> For the past month or so I seem to be able to continue seeing emails
>>>> sent by others to others on the Rhodes List, however I no longer see
>>>> emails sent BY me to others on the List.&nbsp; So I sent a test email
>>>> to the List.&nbsp; Three 3 List readers said my test got to them via
>>>> the List.&nbsp; So it seems my emails arrive at the List post office
>>>> and all List members see them (I am assuming), except me (I am not
>>>> assuming). Thus I have become unsure as to whether any mail I send to
>>>> the list is getting through since my mail to the List does not show in my inbox.
>>>> I do not believe my email address is in any way connected to this
>>>> issue.&nbsp; What seems like only 100 years ago, Michael Meltzer and I
>>>> sat down in his smoke filled NYC office and argued over the making of
>>>> the GB web site; me being a jack of all trades, master of none, was at
>>>> that time carrying a union card as a member of the radio and tv
>>>> directors guild with a little copywriting on the side, Michael, having
>>>> been born with a computer in his mouth, did the first web site and
>>>> some time later set me up with email. My current memory is that my
>>>> address from that start was <a
>>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at
>>>> generalboats.com.</a> I liked his email set up since it was 100% free
>>>> and I was born during the great depression.&nbsp;&nbsp; Plus anyone
>>>> who worked for GB did not have to have their own address, they merely
>>>> put their name before the @ sign.&nbsp;&nbsp; Some where along our
>>>> historic path, (I believe when Michael and others created the Rhodes
>>>> chat room) with the address <a
>>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes22-lis
>>>> t at rhodes22.org</a> I think they changed my address for a better
>>>> match: <a
>>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan
>>>> at rhodes22.com.</a> I did like that address as it was more
>>>> descriptive of what we do. I was not thrilled with the new provider;
>>>> the number of attachments were restricted and even my draft file
>>>> shrunk. Luckily dumb luck had no one bothering to cancel the original
>>>> <a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at
>>>> generalboats.com</a> address.&nbsp; So when the rhodes22.com email
>>>> suddenly stopped and no one could figure out why, it became do or die
>>>> time; survival was linked to the mountains of daily emails. Rhodies
>>>> jumped in with several stop gap addresses including a <a
>>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at
>>>> gmail.</a>&nbsp; Not at home with their formats, I thought I would try
>>>> the original <a
>>>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">stan at
>>>> generalboats.com</a> for the hell of it.&nbsp; Damn if it didn't work,
>>>> just like the old days, no costs, no restrictions. That was 4 or 5
>>>> years ago and it has continued faultless.&nbsp;&nbsp; It's provider: Thunderbird.
>>>> What additional info might you need?&nbsp; I am inclined to guess that
>>>> I caused the problem at this end by having inadvertently pushed some
>>>> keyboard key that gave Thunderbird the idea that I did not want to see
>>>> my emails I sent to the list ?
>>>> stan

From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Tue Jun 29 08:25:54 2021
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 07:25:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any one have a rhodes22 in the water near Chicago?
Message-ID: <CAH-6moSXJHGYzRqpkVXjKm2QKEjxMopLiSTpgFOF0uTVXmafCg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, former rhodes22 owner. Have A seaward 26rk but after 3 kids gone
thought college .it time to downside. Would love to show my partner an
rhodes22 with IMF, she hates going to the mast ? it would really help sell
her on the idea. Any on in the area who wants to play salesman?

Mjm

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 08:36:55 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 08:36:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any one have a rhodes22 in the water near
	Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moSXJHGYzRqpkVXjKm2QKEjxMopLiSTpgFOF0uTVXmafCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH-6moSXJHGYzRqpkVXjKm2QKEjxMopLiSTpgFOF0uTVXmafCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBDnAdV_n5LkxxVJRQSud3Dmog1-F4u3yLU3as52vsT-4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Mom
Where are you located?
I think most Rhodes22 owners would be happy to show you the most amazing
yacht ever.
Bob
Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:26 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
wrote:

> Hi, former rhodes22 owner. Have A seaward 26rk but after 3 kids gone
> thought college .it time to downside. Would love to show my partner an
> rhodes22 with IMF, she hates going to the mast ? it would really help sell
> her on the idea. Any on in the area who wants to play salesman?
>
> Mjm
>

From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Tue Jun 29 09:10:56 2021
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 08:10:56 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any one have a rhodes22 in the water near
	Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBDnAdV_n5LkxxVJRQSud3Dmog1-F4u3yLU3as52vsT-4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH-6moSXJHGYzRqpkVXjKm2QKEjxMopLiSTpgFOF0uTVXmafCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBDnAdV_n5LkxxVJRQSud3Dmog1-F4u3yLU3as52vsT-4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moQw2Sv6sOr-tLGrWqMR4wb_1MxaGneOhGbza=yEP38iCw@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, I think it is amazing boat too. I am Winnetka IL, just north
Chicago. Any one in driving range?

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 7:37 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mom
> Where are you located?
> I think most Rhodes22 owners would be happy to show you the most amazing
> yacht ever.
> Bob
> Sail la Vie
> Kent Island, MD
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:26 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi, former rhodes22 owner. Have A seaward 26rk but after 3 kids gone
> > thought college .it time to downside. Would love to show my partner an
> > rhodes22 with IMF, she hates going to the mast ? it would really help
> sell
> > her on the idea. Any on in the area who wants to play salesman?
> >
> > Mjm
> >
>

From bgarrant at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 09:14:37 2021
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 09:14:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need trailering advice
In-Reply-To: <E1ly3qF-000gxf-MG@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1ly3qF-000gxf-MG@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBA0r2-6G6GijJafVX6mUD=GR8s6SKgdF6JAHBoeOgg=ZA@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,
Thanks for the tips. I?ll run my trailer over to have it checked out as
well.
Much appreciated
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie 2000/2017

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 10:52 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
wrote:

> I don't have a checklist, but here are some things I do:
>
> 1) I take the trailer to a trailer shop pretty much every year for a
> thorough going over.  This is not cheap, but I'm kind of paranoid about
> this.
>
> 2) Before any trips, I take the boat and trailer out for a 'test run' of
> at least 15 minutes.  Then I carefully use my fingers to check the
> temperature of each wheel hub.  If any are hot, go back to step 1.  Hot
> means you can't keep your fingers on the hub.  Warm is OK.
>
> 3) Inside the boat, I haven't found the need to do very much to secure
> stuff.  Things will get bounced around some, but not too severely.
>
> > On 2021-06-28, at 15:56:55 EDT, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am a new Rhodie preparing to take my Rhodes on the road for the first
> time
> > solo next month.  I'd greatly appreciate your advice about best
> practices and
> > precautions for securing the boat for travel.  Has anyone developed a
> checklist
> > for that?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance!
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike McKay
> >
> > s/v Liber 2006/2018
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
>
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue Jun 29 09:49:48 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 08:49:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any one have a rhodes22 in the water near
	Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moQw2Sv6sOr-tLGrWqMR4wb_1MxaGneOhGbza=yEP38iCw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH-6moSXJHGYzRqpkVXjKm2QKEjxMopLiSTpgFOF0uTVXmafCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBDnAdV_n5LkxxVJRQSud3Dmog1-F4u3yLU3as52vsT-4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH-6moQw2Sv6sOr-tLGrWqMR4wb_1MxaGneOhGbza=yEP38iCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY4CPgsbLSrXKip=6jDs_9_jscQ4a5CasD=ZrA9StsA6Vw@mail.gmail.com>

Mike, I am in Milwaukee.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 8:11 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
wrote:

> Thank you, I think it is amazing boat too. I am Winnetka IL, just north
> Chicago. Any one in driving range?
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 7:37 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mom
> > Where are you located?
> > I think most Rhodes22 owners would be happy to show you the most amazing
> > yacht ever.
> > Bob
> > Sail la Vie
> > Kent Island, MD
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:26 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi, former rhodes22 owner. Have A seaward 26rk but after 3 kids gone
> > > thought college .it time to downside. Would love to show my partner an
> > > rhodes22 with IMF, she hates going to the mast ? it would really help
> > sell
> > > her on the idea. Any on in the area who wants to play salesman?
> > >
> > > Mjm
> > >
> >
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Jun 29 09:55:39 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 06:55:39 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
Message-ID: <E1lyEDD-008Gvt-2K@s152.servername.online>

Mike,

I don't think this works.  When Stan's post gets sent back to him, the sender wouldn't be  'stan at generalboats.com', it would be 'rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org'.

--Peter

> On 2021-06-28, at 23:49:35 EDT, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
> 
> My guess is that a "rule" may exist in Stan's Thunderbird email client that 
> throws away emails "From the sender". I'm not knowledgeable about Thunderbird so 
> it is just a guess. 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Jun 29 10:11:04 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 07:11:04 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
Message-ID: <E1lyES8-008OHs-Eh@s152.servername.online>

So far, we have 5 members who don't get their own posts sent back to them:

Stan -  stan at generalboats.com
PBR  -  pbryanriley at gmail.com 
Chris G - chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
Luis G - luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com 
Frank G - goldsmith.cf at gmail.com 

It could be people whose last name begins with the letter 'G', but Stan and Patrick don't fit.  I could be a gmail issue, but Stan's an outlier there as well.  The only thing that fits the data is that it's an issue for members whose email address domain begins with the letter 'G', which makes no sense.

Anyone else having this issue?  Please speak up.  The more data the better.

--Peter

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jun 29 10:32:10 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:32:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <E1lyES8-008OHs-Eh@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

Gmail, and sites that delegate their email service to Google, use the Message-ID to deduplicate your mail. If you post from Gmail, Gmail knows you already have a copy in your Sent folder, and throws away the copy from the mailing list. This is superficially reasonable (this is the kind of thing that Message-IDs are used for!), but for several reasons the mailing list copy is likely to be more useful than the Sent folder copy. Unfortunately, this policy is long-established and Google explicitly refuses to change it.?Mike
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/29/21  10:11 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue So far, we have 5 members who don't get their own posts sent back to them:Stan -? stan at generalboats.comPBR? -? pbryanriley at gmail.com Chris G - chrisgeankoplis at gmail.comLuis G - luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Frank G - goldsmith.cf at gmail.com It could be people whose last name begins with the letter 'G', but Stan and Patrick don't fit.? I could be a gmail issue, but Stan's an outlier there as well.? The only thing that fits the data is that it's an issue for members whose email address domain begins with the letter 'G', which makes no sense.Anyone else having this issue?? Please speak up.? The more data the better.--Peter

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Jun 29 10:51:25 2021
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:51:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <8879EEC6-11FC-43C9-B478-CDDC0C357CBC@stottarchitecture.com>

I DO NOT GET MY POSTS SENT BACK EITHER. 
RIC 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jun 29, 2021, at 10:32 AM, mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Gmail, and sites that delegate their email service to Google, use the Message-ID to deduplicate your mail. If you post from Gmail, Gmail knows you already have a copy in your Sent folder, and throws away the copy from the mailing list. This is superficially reasonable (this is the kind of thing that Message-IDs are used for!), but for several reasons the mailing list copy is likely to be more useful than the Sent folder copy. Unfortunately, this policy is long-established and Google explicitly refuses to change it. Mike
> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/29/21  10:11 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue So far, we have 5 members who don't get their own posts sent back to them:Stan -  stan at generalboats.comPBR  -  pbryanriley at gmail.com Chris G - chrisgeankoplis at gmail.comLuis G - luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Frank G - goldsmith.cf at gmail.com It could be people whose last name begins with the letter 'G', but Stan and Patrick don't fit.  I could be a gmail issue, but Stan's an outlier there as well.  The only thing that fits the data is that it's an issue for members whose email address domain begins with the letter 'G', which makes no sense.Anyone else having this issue?  Please speak up.  The more data the better.--Peter


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Tue Jun 29 10:53:17 2021
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:53:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <8430C8B2-1919-49EE-9185-14B25B348601@stottarchitecture.com>

excuse the caps on that last one - I WAS DRAFTING. . I use a gmail account also
ric at stottarchitecture.com is a gmail account . 


Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Jun 29, 2021, at 10:32 AM, mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Gmail, and sites that delegate their email service to Google, use the Message-ID to deduplicate your mail. If you post from Gmail, Gmail knows you already have a copy in your Sent folder, and throws away the copy from the mailing list. This is superficially reasonable (this is the kind of thing that Message-IDs are used for!), but for several reasons the mailing list copy is likely to be more useful than the Sent folder copy. Unfortunately, this policy is long-established and Google explicitly refuses to change it. Mike
> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/29/21  10:11 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue So far, we have 5 members who don't get their own posts sent back to them:Stan -  stan at generalboats.comPBR  -  pbryanriley at gmail.com Chris G - chrisgeankoplis at gmail.comLuis G - luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Frank G - goldsmith.cf at gmail.com It could be people whose last name begins with the letter 'G', but Stan and Patrick don't fit.  I could be a gmail issue, but Stan's an outlier there as well.  The only thing that fits the data is that it's an issue for members whose email address domain begins with the letter 'G', which makes no sense.Anyone else having this issue?  Please speak up.  The more data the better.--Peter


From john_carlson at mac.com  Tue Jun 29 10:56:17 2021
From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 09:56:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <8430C8B2-1919-49EE-9185-14B25B348601@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <8430C8B2-1919-49EE-9185-14B25B348601@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <B3A34594-2F72-4DF4-8D0B-6C3267A5FEEC@mac.com>

I don't see mine either and I am not using my gmail account.


--
John Carlson
S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)


> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> excuse the caps on that last one - I WAS DRAFTING. . I use a gmail account also
> ric at stottarchitecture.com is a gmail account . 
> 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 10:32 AM, mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Gmail, and sites that delegate their email service to Google, use the Message-ID to deduplicate your mail. If you post from Gmail, Gmail knows you already have a copy in your Sent folder, and throws away the copy from the mailing list. This is superficially reasonable (this is the kind of thing that Message-IDs are used for!), but for several reasons the mailing list copy is likely to be more useful than the Sent folder copy. Unfortunately, this policy is long-established and Google explicitly refuses to change it. Mike
>> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/29/21  10:11 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue So far, we have 5 members who don't get their own posts sent back to them:Stan -  stan at generalboats.comPBR  -  pbryanriley at gmail.com Chris G - chrisgeankoplis at gmail.comLuis G - luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Frank G - goldsmith.cf at gmail.com It could be people whose last name begins with the letter 'G', but Stan and Patrick don't fit.  I could be a gmail issue, but Stan's an outlier there as well.  The only thing that fits the data is that it's an issue for members whose email address domain begins with the letter 'G', which makes no sense.Anyone else having this issue?  Please speak up.  The more data the better.--Peter
> 




From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Tue Jun 29 11:01:55 2021
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:01:55 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any one have a rhodes22 in the water near
	Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY4CPgsbLSrXKip=6jDs_9_jscQ4a5CasD=ZrA9StsA6Vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH-6moSXJHGYzRqpkVXjKm2QKEjxMopLiSTpgFOF0uTVXmafCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBDnAdV_n5LkxxVJRQSud3Dmog1-F4u3yLU3as52vsT-4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH-6moQw2Sv6sOr-tLGrWqMR4wb_1MxaGneOhGbza=yEP38iCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY4CPgsbLSrXKip=6jDs_9_jscQ4a5CasD=ZrA9StsA6Vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moREHFHQ9V8PNtj4kM-2sJVqGZ8pNHEDc1g1nUVgLxDp=A@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, would love to come see it,  at your convenience. Think the rain
breaks this weekend, does Sunday or Monday work for you?

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 8:50 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Mike, I am in Milwaukee.
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 8:11 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you, I think it is amazing boat too. I am Winnetka IL, just north
> > Chicago. Any one in driving range?
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 7:37 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Mom
> > > Where are you located?
> > > I think most Rhodes22 owners would be happy to show you the most
> amazing
> > > yacht ever.
> > > Bob
> > > Sail la Vie
> > > Kent Island, MD
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:26 AM michael meltzer <
> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi, former rhodes22 owner. Have A seaward 26rk but after 3 kids gone
> > > > thought college .it time to downside. Would love to show my partner
> an
> > > > rhodes22 with IMF, she hates going to the mast ? it would really
> help
> > > sell
> > > > her on the idea. Any on in the area who wants to play salesman?
> > > >
> > > > Mjm
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From mike at traildesign.com  Tue Jun 29 11:58:35 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:58:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <B3A34594-2F72-4DF4-8D0B-6C3267A5FEEC@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <8430C8B2-1919-49EE-9185-14B25B348601@stottarchitecture.com>
 <B3A34594-2F72-4DF4-8D0B-6C3267A5FEEC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo8tJTeVXqn7iv8aaf=gwWEEFt7sW12LCj6+jszocOM5ig@mail.gmail.com>

I don?t see mine either. I?m also using a gmail acct. I do always get a
notification that I posted though.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 10:56 AM John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I don't see mine either and I am not using my gmail account.
>
>
> --
> John Carlson
> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > excuse the caps on that last one - I WAS DRAFTING. . I use a gmail
> account also
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com is a gmail account .
> >
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jun 29, 2021, at 10:32 AM, mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Gmail, and sites that delegate their email service to Google, use the
> Message-ID to deduplicate your mail. If you post from Gmail, Gmail knows
> you already have a copy in your Sent folder, and throws away the copy from
> the mailing list. This is superficially reasonable (this is the kind of
> thing that Message-IDs are used for!), but for several reasons the mailing
> list copy is likely to be more useful than the Sent folder copy.
> Unfortunately, this policy is long-established and Google explicitly
> refuses to change it. Mike
> >> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <
> peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/29/21  10:11 AM  (GMT-05:00) To:
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email
> issue So far, we have 5 members who don't get their own posts sent back to
> them:Stan -  stan at generalboats.comPBR  -  pbryanriley at gmail.com
> Chris G - chrisgeankoplis at gmail.comLuis G - luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com
> Frank G - goldsmith.cf at gmail.com It could be people whose last name
> begins with the letter 'G', but Stan and Patrick don't fit.  I could be a
> gmail issue, but Stan's an outlier there as well.  The only thing that fits
> the data is that it's an issue for members whose email address domain
> begins with the letter 'G', which makes no sense.Anyone else having this
> issue?  Please speak up.  The more data the better.--Peter
> >
>
>
>
> --
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Jun 29 12:12:19 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 09:12:19 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
Message-ID: <E1lyGLT-009Ida-Nh@s152.servername.online>

Oh, there another setting for that.  Maybe that option should be turned on for Stan so that at least he will get that.

--Peter

> On 2021-06-29, at 11:58:35 EDT, Mike Riter wrote:
>
> I don?t see mine either. I?m also using a gmail acct. I do always get a 
> notification that I posted though. 
> 
> 


From mike at traildesign.com  Tue Jun 29 12:31:50 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 12:31:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need trailering advice
In-Reply-To: <134401d76c57$bf5b8680$3e129380$@gmail.com>
References: <134401d76c57$bf5b8680$3e129380$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo-PygiNWhMHSNPu3DtUj9GieGxiv6wj_mO1d_6p6XGHAw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike. I go through the trailer and check lights, tires, tire pressure
and lug nuts. I make sure the boat is secured to the trailer at the bow and
stern. I leave my rudder attached, but tie it off to one side so it won?t
flop around or accidentally drop down. I double check to make sure the mast
is secured at the bow and tied to the crutch in the back. I also made a
cradle that mounts in the mast step to further support the mast and keep it
from bouncing.

Any thing loose (pfd?s, cushions, cooler, etc) goes in the cabin. Fuel
tanks and motor going in the truck bed. I make sure the batteries are
charged then confirm all the lights and electronics are working. If I?m
going on a long trip (another state) then I rig the boat in the driveway
and check that all the standing and running rigging is in good working
order. After that, anchor and rode check along with fenders and dock lines.
Tools, extra parts and lines are also loaded in the cabin.

Last but not least the keys for the pop top, lazarett and motor lock are
put in the truck console then double checked before I go.

Mike Riter
SV Emma B

On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:57 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I am a new Rhodie preparing to take my Rhodes on the road for the first
> time
> solo next month.  I'd greatly appreciate your advice about best practices
> and precautions for securing the boat for travel.  Has anyone developed a
> checklist for that?
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance!
>
>
>
> Mike McKay
>
> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>
>
>   _____
>
>
> <
> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-e
>
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>      Scanned by McAfee
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> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-e
>
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> and confirmed virus-free.
>
-- 
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Jun 29 12:36:24 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 09:36:24 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
Message-ID: <E1lyGim-009TQP-3p@s152.servername.online>

I had another thought...

Does anyone with a gmail account use Nabble to post rather than their email client?

I'm guessing that the behavior might be different because the post is not being sent via the user's gmail account.

--Peter

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jun 29 12:40:12 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 12:40:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <E1lyGLT-009Ida-Nh@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lyGLT-009Ida-Nh@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <002b01d76d05$6eec8f60$4cc5ae20$@ebsmed.com>

The option is "Receive acknowledgement mail when you send mail to the list?" I just set Stan's to "Yes".

Stan, please try sending an email to the list.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 12:12 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue

Oh, there another setting for that.  Maybe that option should be turned on for Stan so that at least he will get that.

--Peter

> On 2021-06-29, at 11:58:35 EDT, Mike Riter wrote:
>
> I don?t see mine either. I?m also using a gmail acct. I do always get 
> a notification that I posted though.
> 
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Jun 29 12:42:03 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 12:42:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <E1lyGim-009TQP-3p@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lyGim-009TQP-3p@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <002c01d76d05$b18fbbd0$14af3370$@ebsmed.com>

Peter,

The gmail dedupe logic relies on the message ID. I wonder if a post from your test site would work for gmail accounts.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 12:36 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue

I had another thought...

Does anyone with a gmail account use Nabble to post rather than their email client?

I'm guessing that the behavior might be different because the post is not being sent via the user's gmail account.

--Peter


From stan at generalboats.com  Tue Jun 29 12:57:27 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 12:57:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <B3A34594-2F72-4DF4-8D0B-6C3267A5FEEC@mac.com>
References: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <8430C8B2-1919-49EE-9185-14B25B348601@stottarchitecture.com>
 <B3A34594-2F72-4DF4-8D0B-6C3267A5FEEC@mac.com>
Message-ID: <cfeef483-e9f5-a3c6-ad2b-9e2f1d2ccdc8@generalboats.com>

Nice to see I have such notable company but my complaint is a wee bit 
different in that for years I have been having my emails to the list, 
show up on the list's mail to my inbox.? It is now, only for the past 
month or two, that I no longer get to see my mail to the list.? At least 
one of my questions is now answered.? My not seeing my mail does not 
mean the mail is not getting through.? My guess still is I must have 
done something here at this end to make Thunderbird suddenly decide I 
don't like reading my own mail.

Anyone else use Thunderbird?? Unlike others, they have no live help 
service.?? Peter says there is no free email service.? I don't pay 
anyone for mine.? Is it included as part of the of the domain name 
periodic billing?? Or do I have a secret admirerer.

stan


On 6/29/21 10:56 AM, John Carlson via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> I don't see mine either and I am not using my gmail account.
>
>
> --
> John Carlson
> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
>
>
>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>
>> excuse the caps on that last one - I WAS DRAFTING. . I use a gmail account also
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com is a gmail account .
>>
>>
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 10:32 AM, mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gmail, and sites that delegate their email service to Google, use the Message-ID to deduplicate your mail. If you post from Gmail, Gmail knows you already have a copy in your Sent folder, and throws away the copy from the mailing list. This is superficially reasonable (this is the kind of thing that Message-IDs are used for!), but for several reasons the mailing list copy is likely to be more useful than the Sent folder copy. Unfortunately, this policy is long-established and Google explicitly refuses to change it. Mike
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/29/21  10:11 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue So far, we have 5 members who don't get their own posts sent back to them:Stan -  stan at generalboats.comPBR  -  pbryanriley at gmail.com Chris G - chrisgeankoplis at gmail.comLuis G - luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Frank G - goldsmith.cf at gmail.com It could be people whose last name begins with the letter 'G', but Stan and Patrick don't fit.  I could be a gmail issue, but Stan's an outlier there as well.  The only thing that fits the data is that it's an issue for members whose email address domain begins with the letter 'G', which makes no sense.Anyone else having this issue?  Please speak up.  The more data the better.--Peter
>
>
> .


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Jun 29 13:03:37 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:03:37 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
Message-ID: <E1lyH97-009i1l-DX@s152.servername.online>

Mike,

I just remembered that I have a gmail account that I hardly ever use.  I'll subscribe to the list using that account, and do some testing.

--Peter

> On 2021-06-29, at 12:42:03 EDT, Michael D. Weisner wrote:
>
> Peter,
> 
> The gmail dedupe logic relies on the message ID. I wonder if a post from your 
> test site would work for gmail accounts. 
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> 


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Jun 29 13:03:56 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:03:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <002c01d76d05$b18fbbd0$14af3370$@ebsmed.com>
References: <E1lyGim-009TQP-3p@s152.servername.online>
 <002c01d76d05$b18fbbd0$14af3370$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <01ff01d76d08$c0a6ecd0$41f4c670$@ca>

A workaround might be to send yourself a copy when you post a message.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 12:42 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue

Peter,

The gmail dedupe logic relies on the message ID. I wonder if a post from your test site would work for gmail accounts.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 12:36 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue

I had another thought...

Does anyone with a gmail account use Nabble to post rather than their email client?

I'm guessing that the behavior might be different because the post is not being sent via the user's gmail account.

--Peter


From pknyberg at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 13:12:26 2021
From: pknyberg at gmail.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:12:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gmail testing...
Message-ID: <A08EA228-0AEA-4CB3-985B-7B3A15375D78@gmail.com>

First test: sending a post to the list using my email client app.

?Peter

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Tue Jun 29 13:14:55 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:14:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <cfeef483-e9f5-a3c6-ad2b-9e2f1d2ccdc8@generalboats.com>
References: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <8430C8B2-1919-49EE-9185-14B25B348601@stottarchitecture.com>
 <B3A34594-2F72-4DF4-8D0B-6C3267A5FEEC@mac.com>
 <cfeef483-e9f5-a3c6-ad2b-9e2f1d2ccdc8@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <868ee81f-0db2-1320-5d2f-87d456175281@atlanticbb.net>

I use Thunderbird and I do see my postings to the list. I looked through 
the Thunderbird settings and couldn't find anything but I suppose that 
doesn't mean that it not there somewhere. My email is through my cable 
provider.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246

On 6/29/2021 12:57 PM, stan wrote:
> Nice to see I have such notable company but my complaint is a wee bit 
> different in that for years I have been having my emails to the list, 
> show up on the list's mail to my inbox.? It is now, only for the past 
> month or two, that I no longer get to see my mail to the list.? At 
> least one of my questions is now answered.? My not seeing my mail does 
> not mean the mail is not getting through.? My guess still is I must 
> have done something here at this end to make Thunderbird suddenly 
> decide I don't like reading my own mail.
>
> Anyone else use Thunderbird?? Unlike others, they have no live help 
> service.?? Peter says there is no free email service.? I don't pay 
> anyone for mine.? Is it included as part of the of the domain name 
> periodic billing?? Or do I have a secret admirerer.
>
> stan
>
>
> On 6/29/21 10:56 AM, John Carlson via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>> I don't see mine either and I am not using my gmail account.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> John Carlson
>> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> excuse the caps on that last one - I WAS DRAFTING. . I use a gmail 
>>> account also
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com is a gmail account .
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>> O -631-283-1777
>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 10:32 AM, mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Gmail, and sites that delegate their email service to Google, use 
>>>> the Message-ID to deduplicate your mail. If you post from Gmail, 
>>>> Gmail knows you already have a copy in your Sent folder, and throws 
>>>> away the copy from the mailing list. This is superficially 
>>>> reasonable (this is the kind of thing that Message-IDs are used 
>>>> for!), but for several reasons the mailing list copy is likely to 
>>>> be more useful than the Sent folder copy. Unfortunately, this 
>>>> policy is long-established and Google explicitly refuses to change 
>>>> it. Mike
>>>> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg 
>>>> <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/29/21? 10:11 AM (GMT-05:00) To: 
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's 
>>>> email issue So far, we have 5 members who don't get their own posts 
>>>> sent back to them:Stan -? stan at generalboats.comPBR? -? 
>>>> pbryanriley at gmail.com Chris G - chrisgeankoplis at gmail.comLuis 
>>>> G - luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Frank G - goldsmith.cf at gmail.com 
>>>> It could be people whose last name begins with the letter 'G', but 
>>>> Stan and Patrick don't fit.? I could be a gmail issue, but Stan's 
>>>> an outlier there as well.? The only thing that fits the data is 
>>>> that it's an issue for members whose email address domain begins 
>>>> with the letter 'G', which makes no sense.Anyone else having this 
>>>> issue?? Please speak up.? The more data the better.--Peter
>>
>>
>> .
>


-- 
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 13:29:19 2021
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:29:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gmail testing...
In-Reply-To: <A08EA228-0AEA-4CB3-985B-7B3A15375D78@gmail.com>
References: <A08EA228-0AEA-4CB3-985B-7B3A15375D78@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMCe=OQRZbnM8Nj9jQS7ZY4xaxcz=aKYTzpVOjRSAx9gnA@mail.gmail.com>

Received

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 1:12 PM Peter Nyberg <pknyberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> First test: sending a post to the list using my email client app.
>
> ?Peter

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 13:40:52 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:40:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need trailering advice
Message-ID: <144d01d76d0d$e8abe1e0$ba03a5a0$@gmail.com>

Hi All,

 

I am a new Rhodie preparing to take my Rhodes on the road for the first time
solo next month.  I'd greatly appreciate your advice about best practices
and precautions for securing the boat for travel.  Has anyone developed a
checklist for that?

 

Thank you in advance!

 

Mike McKay

s/v Liber 2006/2018


  _____  

 
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 13:46:50 2021
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:46:50 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gmail testing...
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Received

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 10:29 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Received
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 1:12 PM Peter Nyberg <pknyberg at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > First test: sending a post to the list using my email client app.
> >
> > ?Peter
>

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue Jun 29 13:50:26 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 17:50:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <cfeef483-e9f5-a3c6-ad2b-9e2f1d2ccdc8@generalboats.com>
References: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <8430C8B2-1919-49EE-9185-14B25B348601@stottarchitecture.com>
 <B3A34594-2F72-4DF4-8D0B-6C3267A5FEEC@mac.com>
 <cfeef483-e9f5-a3c6-ad2b-9e2f1d2ccdc8@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <1340687162.792002.1624989026473@mail.yahoo.com>

test


-----Original Message-----
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: John Carlson <john_carlson at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Jun 29, 2021 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue

Nice to see I have such notable company but my complaint is a wee bit 
different in that for years I have been having my emails to the list, 
show up on the list's mail to my inbox.? It is now, only for the past 
month or two, that I no longer get to see my mail to the list.? At least 
one of my questions is now answered.? My not seeing my mail does not 
mean the mail is not getting through.? My guess still is I must have 
done something here at this end to make Thunderbird suddenly decide I 
don't like reading my own mail.

Anyone else use Thunderbird?? Unlike others, they have no live help 
service.?? Peter says there is no free email service.? I don't pay 
anyone for mine.? Is it included as part of the of the domain name 
periodic billing?? Or do I have a secret admirerer.

stan


On 6/29/21 10:56 AM, John Carlson via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> I don't see mine either and I am not using my gmail account.
>
>
> --
> John Carlson
> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
>
>
>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>
>> excuse the caps on that last one - I WAS DRAFTING. . I use a gmail account also
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com is a gmail account .
>>
>>
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 10:32 AM, mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gmail, and sites that delegate their email service to Google, use the Message-ID to deduplicate your mail. If you post from Gmail, Gmail knows you already have a copy in your Sent folder, and throws away the copy from the mailing list. This is superficially reasonable (this is the kind of thing that Message-IDs are used for!), but for several reasons the mailing list copy is likely to be more useful than the Sent folder copy. Unfortunately, this policy is long-established and Google explicitly refuses to change it. Mike
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/29/21? 10:11 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue So far, we have 5 members who don't get their own posts sent back to them:Stan -? stan at generalboats.comPBR? -? pbryanriley at gmail.com Chris G - chrisgeankoplis at gmail.comLuis G - luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Frank G - goldsmith.cf at gmail.com It could be people whose last name begins with the letter 'G', but Stan and Patrick don't fit.? I could be a gmail issue, but Stan's an outlier there as well.? The only thing that fits the data is that it's an issue for members whose email address domain begins with the letter 'G', which makes no sense.Anyone else having this issue?? Please speak up.? The more data the better.--Peter
>
>
> .


From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 13:52:53 2021
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:52:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test 1
Message-ID: <CAKTnenBJnOo48NudijMLm3CVYXVg4L7dcjNaSprYPR9=JFt-DQ@mail.gmail.com>

Changed some settings in Gmail
-- 
Luis A. Guzm?n II

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 13:58:30 2021
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:58:30 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Test 1
In-Reply-To: <CAKTnenBJnOo48NudijMLm3CVYXVg4L7dcjNaSprYPR9=JFt-DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKTnenBJnOo48NudijMLm3CVYXVg4L7dcjNaSprYPR9=JFt-DQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Received

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 10:53 AM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com> wrote:

> Changed some settings in Gmail
> --
> Luis A. Guzm?n II
>

From pknyberg at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 14:04:37 2021
From: pknyberg at gmail.com (Peter K Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 14:04:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?gmail_testing=E2=80=A6?=
Message-ID: <33E789D7-471F-4BC6-A857-D7E45448A502@gmail.com>

Another try.  Needed a different display name to avoid colliding with my other account.

There?s no need for other members to confirm receipt of this post.

?Peter

Sent from my iPad

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue Jun 29 14:20:34 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:20:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Any one have a rhodes22 in the water near
	Chicago?
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moREHFHQ9V8PNtj4kM-2sJVqGZ8pNHEDc1g1nUVgLxDp=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAH-6moSXJHGYzRqpkVXjKm2QKEjxMopLiSTpgFOF0uTVXmafCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPi3tBDnAdV_n5LkxxVJRQSud3Dmog1-F4u3yLU3as52vsT-4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH-6moQw2Sv6sOr-tLGrWqMR4wb_1MxaGneOhGbza=yEP38iCw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAEqJHY4CPgsbLSrXKip=6jDs_9_jscQ4a5CasD=ZrA9StsA6Vw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAH-6moREHFHQ9V8PNtj4kM-2sJVqGZ8pNHEDc1g1nUVgLxDp=A@mail.gmail.com>
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Nope. See if you can contact me more direct and we can coordinate.

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 10:02 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
wrote:

> Thank you, would love to come see it,  at your convenience. Think the rain
> breaks this weekend, does Sunday or Monday work for you?
>
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 8:50 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Mike, I am in Milwaukee.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 8:11 AM michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you, I think it is amazing boat too. I am Winnetka IL, just north
> > > Chicago. Any one in driving range?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021, 7:37 AM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mom
> > > > Where are you located?
> > > > I think most Rhodes22 owners would be happy to show you the most
> > amazing
> > > > yacht ever.
> > > > Bob
> > > > Sail la Vie
> > > > Kent Island, MD
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 8:26 AM michael meltzer <
> > mjm at michaelmeltzer.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi, former rhodes22 owner. Have A seaward 26rk but after 3 kids
> gone
> > > > > thought college .it time to downside. Would love to show my partner
> > an
> > > > > rhodes22 with IMF, she hates going to the mast ? it would really
> > help
> > > > sell
> > > > > her on the idea. Any on in the area who wants to play salesman?
> > > > >
> > > > > Mjm
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From pknyberg at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 14:55:30 2021
From: pknyberg at gmail.com (Peter K Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:55:30 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gmail testing...
Message-ID: <E1lyItO-00AUzJ-Mj@s152.servername.online>

Hello World.

From pknyberg at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 16:40:42 2021
From: pknyberg at gmail.com (Peter K Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:40:42 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gmail testing...
Message-ID: <E1lyKXC-00BGaa-1W@s152.servername.online>

For documentation purposes, I should be more explicit about what I'm testing...

I'm creating this post using the still-under-development extended website that will hopefully be installed at rhodes22.org in the not too distant future.  (There's much work to be done to be sure it will function in a robust, reliable, and sustainable manner, and it's sailing season now.) I'm currently signed in to the 'Peter K Nyberg' account, which has an email address of 'pknyberg at gmail.com'. 

When the email that contains this post is sent, it will be 'from' 'pknyberg at gmail.com'. But it will be sent from the web server to the list server without going through the gmail SMTP server (I think).

So, two things are being tested:
   1) Does this work at all.  Will be post be delivered to members and the list archives?
   
   2) Will the post also be delivered to the inbox of the sender, 'pknyberg at gmail.com'?
   
I'll let you know...

--Peter   

From rbeytagh at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 16:48:55 2021
From: rbeytagh at gmail.com (Richard Beytagh)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 16:48:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need trailering advice
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-PygiNWhMHSNPu3DtUj9GieGxiv6wj_mO1d_6p6XGHAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <134401d76c57$bf5b8680$3e129380$@gmail.com>
 <CAAY+qo-PygiNWhMHSNPu3DtUj9GieGxiv6wj_mO1d_6p6XGHAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALbDJ9b723jv+vJCZ+jpHxSz_k-EZE9qmVcoFaiyuUYiUb0smQ@mail.gmail.com>

To add to Mikes's comment: Make sure the hatches are locked down. Blowing
open at 65 mph is not good.


~~~ _/) ~~~

Richard Beytagh
Phone: 828 337 0180


On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 12:32 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike. I go through the trailer and check lights, tires, tire pressure
> and lug nuts. I make sure the boat is secured to the trailer at the bow and
> stern. I leave my rudder attached, but tie it off to one side so it won?t
> flop around or accidentally drop down. I double check to make sure the mast
> is secured at the bow and tied to the crutch in the back. I also made a
> cradle that mounts in the mast step to further support the mast and keep it
> from bouncing.
>
> Any thing loose (pfd?s, cushions, cooler, etc) goes in the cabin. Fuel
> tanks and motor going in the truck bed. I make sure the batteries are
> charged then confirm all the lights and electronics are working. If I?m
> going on a long trip (another state) then I rig the boat in the driveway
> and check that all the standing and running rigging is in good working
> order. After that, anchor and rode check along with fenders and dock lines.
> Tools, extra parts and lines are also loaded in the cabin.
>
> Last but not least the keys for the pop top, lazarett and motor lock are
> put in the truck console then double checked before I go.
>
> Mike Riter
> SV Emma B
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:57 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am a new Rhodie preparing to take my Rhodes on the road for the first
> > time
> > solo next month.  I'd greatly appreciate your advice about best practices
> > and precautions for securing the boat for travel.  Has anyone developed a
> > checklist for that?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance!
> >
> >
> >
> > Mike McKay
> >
> > s/v Liber 2006/2018
> >
> >
> >   _____
> >
> >
> > <
> >
> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-e
> >
> >
> mail&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=s
> > ig-email&utm_content=emailclient
> > <
> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
> >>
> >      Scanned by McAfee
> > <
> >
> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-e
> >
> >
> mail&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=s
> > ig-email&utm_content=emailclient
> > <
> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient
> >>
> > and confirmed virus-free.
> >
> --
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021
>

From pknyberg at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 16:56:33 2021
From: pknyberg at gmail.com (Peter K Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:56:33 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gmail testing...
Message-ID: <E1lyKmX-00BN9k-D8@s152.servername.online>

The answers seem to be 1) YES and 2) YES.

The post did make it into the list archives, as shown below, and it showed up in the inboxes of both 'peter at sunnybeeches.com' (my real list email), and 'pknyberg at gmail.com' (the sender's email).

Thanks for your patience.  This was only a test...

--Peter

> On 2021-06-29, at 16:40:42 EDT, Peter K Nyberg wrote:
>
> For documentation purposes, I should be more explicit about what I'm testing...
> 
> I'm creating this post using the still-under-development extended website that 
> will hopefully be installed at rhodes22.org in the not too distant future.  
> (There's much work to be done to be sure it will function in a robust, reliable, 
> and sustainable manner, and it's sailing season now.) I'm currently signed in to 
> the 'Peter K Nyberg' account, which has an email address of 'pknyberg at 
> gmail.com'. 
> 
> When the email that contains this post is sent, it will be 'from' 'pknyberg at 
> gmail.com'. But it will be sent from the web server to the list server 
> without going through the gmail SMTP server (I think). 
> 
> So, two things are being tested:
>    1) Does this work at all.  Will be post be delivered to members and the list 
> archives? 
> 
>    2) Will the post also be delivered to the inbox of the sender, 'pknyberg at 
> gmail.com'? 
> 
> I'll let you know...
> 
> --Peter
> 


From jamcando126 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 17:02:31 2021
From: jamcando126 at gmail.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 17:02:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] gmail testing...
In-Reply-To: <E1lyKmX-00BN9k-D8@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lyKmX-00BN9k-D8@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CANpTSjLcs6cZLjUOU2op1LznhMetG9jPgWMZNxDe8gBBgdab=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Got it

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 4:56 PM Peter K Nyberg <pknyberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> The answers seem to be 1) YES and 2) YES.
>
> The post did make it into the list archives, as shown below, and it showed
> up in the inboxes of both 'peter at sunnybeeches.com' (my real list email),
> and 'pknyberg at gmail.com' (the sender's email).
>
> Thanks for your patience.  This was only a test...
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2021-06-29, at 16:40:42 EDT, Peter K Nyberg wrote:
> >
> > For documentation purposes, I should be more explicit about what I'm
> testing...
> >
> > I'm creating this post using the still-under-development extended
> website that
> > will hopefully be installed at rhodes22.org in the not too distant
> future.
> > (There's much work to be done to be sure it will function in a robust,
> reliable,
> > and sustainable manner, and it's sailing season now.) I'm currently
> signed in to
> > the 'Peter K Nyberg' account, which has an email address of 'pknyberg at
> > gmail.com'.
> >
> > When the email that contains this post is sent, it will be 'from'
> 'pknyberg at
> > gmail.com'. But it will be sent from the web server to the list server
> > without going through the gmail SMTP server (I think).
> >
> > So, two things are being tested:
> >    1) Does this work at all.  Will be post be delivered to members and
> the list
> > archives?
> >
> >    2) Will the post also be delivered to the inbox of the sender,
> 'pknyberg at
> > gmail.com'?
> >
> > I'll let you know...
> >
> > --Peter
> >
>
>

From pknyberg at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 17:25:15 2021
From: pknyberg at gmail.com (Peter K Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 14:25:15 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Nabble link broken?
Message-ID: <E1lyLEJ-00Ba3W-Mm@s152.servername.online>

I'm not generally a user of Nabble, so it's possible that I just don't understand the interface, but it appears to me that messages posted there are not appearing here, and vice-versa.

I'll also post this on Nabble, in case I'm right.

--Peter

From jamcando126 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 17:27:28 2021
From: jamcando126 at gmail.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 17:27:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Nabble link broken?
In-Reply-To: <E1lyLEJ-00Ba3W-Mm@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lyLEJ-00Ba3W-Mm@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CANpTSjKBT2zFWD4hFsXmVDow1xPaAvLf__qa=9d3H=6W1G_qhA@mail.gmail.com>

Looks good Peter

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 5:25 PM Peter K Nyberg <pknyberg at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not generally a user of Nabble, so it's possible that I just don't
> understand the interface, but it appears to me that messages posted there
> are not appearing here, and vice-versa.
>
> I'll also post this on Nabble, in case I'm right.
>
> --Peter
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 29 17:30:51 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2021 17:30:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Nabble link broken?
In-Reply-To: <CANpTSjKBT2zFWD4hFsXmVDow1xPaAvLf__qa=9d3H=6W1G_qhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1lyLEJ-00Ba3W-Mm@s152.servername.online>
 <CANpTSjKBT2zFWD4hFsXmVDow1xPaAvLf__qa=9d3H=6W1G_qhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000401d76d2e$09005960$1b010c20$@gmail.com>

There does seem to be something wrong. When I go into the Nabble interface I
am not seeing the post I submitted yesterday regarding trailering advice. I
tried searching for all my posts and its not there, nor do I find it by
searching for the keyword "trailering". ~Mike -----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of John McLaughlin Sent: Tuesday, June 29,
2021 5:27 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
Nabble link broken? Looks good Peter On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 5:25 PM Peter K
Nyberg wrote: > I'm not generally a user of Nabble, so it's possible that I
just don't > understand the interface, but it appears to me that messages
posted > there are not appearing here, and vice-versa. > > I'll also post
this on Nabble, in case I'm right. > > --Peter > Scanned by McAfee and
confirmed virus-free. Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO



From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Wed Jun 30 00:13:54 2021
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 00:13:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need trailering advice
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-PygiNWhMHSNPu3DtUj9GieGxiv6wj_mO1d_6p6XGHAw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <134401d76c57$bf5b8680$3e129380$@gmail.com>
 <CAAY+qo-PygiNWhMHSNPu3DtUj9GieGxiv6wj_mO1d_6p6XGHAw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <55382.24.140.30.102.1625026434.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>



 The one thing I didn't see mentioned is to make sure you have the center
board line cleated before you launch the boat.

Jerry Lowe
S/v Country Rhodes  '86







 Hi Mike. I go through the trailer and check lights, tires, tire pressure
> and lug nuts. I make sure the boat is secured to the trailer at the bow
> and
> stern. I leave my rudder attached, but tie it off to one side so it
> won???t
> flop around or accidentally drop down. I double check to make sure the
> mast
> is secured at the bow and tied to the crutch in the back. I also made a
> cradle that mounts in the mast step to further support the mast and keep
> it
> from bouncing.
>
> Any thing loose (pfd???s, cushions, cooler, etc) goes in the cabin. Fuel
> tanks and motor going in the truck bed. I make sure the batteries are
> charged then confirm all the lights and electronics are working. If I???m
> going on a long trip (another state) then I rig the boat in the driveway
> and check that all the standing and running rigging is in good working
> order. After that, anchor and rode check along with fenders and dock
> lines.
> Tools, extra parts and lines are also loaded in the cabin.
>
> Last but not least the keys for the pop top, lazarett and motor lock are
> put in the truck console then double checked before I go.
>
> Mike Riter
> SV Emma B
>
> On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:57 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am a new Rhodie preparing to take my Rhodes on the road for the first
>> time
>> solo next month.  I'd greatly appreciate your advice about best
>> practices
>> and precautions for securing the boat for travel.  Has anyone developed
>> a
>> checklist for that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance!
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike McKay
>>
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>
>>
>>   _____
>>
>>
>> <
>> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-e
>>
>> mail&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=s
>> ig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>> <https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>>
>>      Scanned by McAfee
>> <
>> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-e
>>
>> mail&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=s
>> ig-email&utm_content=emailclient
>> <https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>>
>> and confirmed virus-free.
>>
> --
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021
>



From rlowe at vt.edu  Wed Jun 30 08:44:36 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:44:36 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <cfeef483-e9f5-a3c6-ad2b-9e2f1d2ccdc8@generalboats.com>
References: <mailman.1483.1624977138.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <8430C8B2-1919-49EE-9185-14B25B348601@stottarchitecture.com>
 <B3A34594-2F72-4DF4-8D0B-6C3267A5FEEC@mac.com>,
 <cfeef483-e9f5-a3c6-ad2b-9e2f1d2ccdc8@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB69852AD5BC040743004C1F5BC1019@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

i believe any address anyone use's has to be registered with da List?  I don't believe it will respond to emails from people not part of the list.  Or it used to be that way. - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of stan <stan at generalboats.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2021 12:57 PM
To: John Carlson <john_carlson at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue

Nice to see I have such notable company but my complaint is a wee bit
different in that for years I have been having my emails to the list,
show up on the list's mail to my inbox.  It is now, only for the past
month or two, that I no longer get to see my mail to the list.  At least
one of my questions is now answered.  My not seeing my mail does not
mean the mail is not getting through.  My guess still is I must have
done something here at this end to make Thunderbird suddenly decide I
don't like reading my own mail.

Anyone else use Thunderbird?  Unlike others, they have no live help
service.   Peter says there is no free email service.  I don't pay
anyone for mine.  Is it included as part of the of the domain name
periodic billing?  Or do I have a secret admirerer.

stan


On 6/29/21 10:56 AM, John Carlson via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> I don't see mine either and I am not using my gmail account.
>
>
> --
> John Carlson
> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
>
>
>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 9:53 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>
>> excuse the caps on that last one - I WAS DRAFTING. . I use a gmail account also
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com is a gmail account .
>>
>>
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2021, at 10:32 AM, mweisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Gmail, and sites that delegate their email service to Google, use the Message-ID to deduplicate your mail. If you post from Gmail, Gmail knows you already have a copy in your Sent folder, and throws away the copy from the mailing list. This is superficially reasonable (this is the kind of thing that Message-IDs are used for!), but for several reasons the mailing list copy is likely to be more useful than the Sent folder copy. Unfortunately, this policy is long-established and Google explicitly refuses to change it. Mike
>>> -------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/29/21  10:11 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue So far, we have 5 members who don't get their own posts sent back to them:Stan -  stan at generalboats.comPBR  -  pbryanriley at gmail.com Chris G - chrisgeankoplis at gmail.comLuis G - luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com Frank G - goldsmith.cf at gmail.com It could be people whose last name begins with the letter 'G', but Stan and Patrick don't fit.  I could be a gmail issue, but Stan's an outlier there as well.  The only thing that fits the data is that it's an issue for members whose email address domain begins with the letter 'G', which makes no sense.Anyone else having this issue?  Please speak up.  The more data the better.--Peter
>
>
> .


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 30 10:41:50 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 10:41:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need trailering advice
In-Reply-To: <55382.24.140.30.102.1625026434.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <134401d76c57$bf5b8680$3e129380$@gmail.com>
 <CAAY+qo-PygiNWhMHSNPu3DtUj9GieGxiv6wj_mO1d_6p6XGHAw@mail.gmail.com>
 <55382.24.140.30.102.1625026434.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <013801d76dbe$0fc15020$2f43f060$@gmail.com>

Thank Jerry--I just took my trailer in for service and inspection, but I will double check the details before we hit the road. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of cjlowe at sssnet.com Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 12:14 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need trailering advice The one thing I didn't see mentioned is to make sure you have the center board line cleated before you launch the boat. Jerry Lowe S/v Country Rhodes '86 Hi Mike. I go through the trailer and check lights, tires, tire pressure > and lug nuts. I make sure the boat is secured to the trailer at the > bow and stern. I leave my rudder attached, but tie it off to one side > so it won???t flop around or accidentally drop down. I double check to > make sure the mast is secured at the bow and tied to the crutch in the > back. I also made a cradle that mounts in the mast step to further > support the mast and keep it from bouncing. > > Any thing loose (pfd???s, cushions, cooler, etc) goes in the cabin. > Fuel tanks and motor going in the truck bed. I make sure the batteries > are charged then confirm all the lights and electronics are working. > If I???m going on a long trip (another state) then I rig the boat in > the driveway and check that all the standing and running rigging is in > good working order. After that, anchor and rode check along with > fenders and dock lines. > Tools, extra parts and lines are also loaded in the cabin. > > Last but not least the keys for the pop top, lazarett and motor lock > are put in the truck console then double checked before I go. > > Mike Riter > SV Emma B > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2021 at 3:57 PM wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> >> >> I am a new Rhodie preparing to take my Rhodes on the road for the >> first time solo next month. I'd greatly appreciate your advice about >> best practices and precautions for securing the boat for travel. Has >> anyone developed a checklist for that? >> >> >> >> Thank you in advance! >> >> >> >> Mike McKay >> >> s/v Liber 2006/2018 >> >> >> _____ >> >> >> < >> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign >> =sig-e >> >> mail&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam >> paign=s >> ig-email&utm_content=emailclient >> > >> Scanned by McAfee >> < >> https://home.mcafee.com/utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign >> =sig-e >> >> mail&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_cam >> paign=s >> ig-email&utm_content=emailclient >> > n=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link& >> utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>> >> and confirmed virus-free. >> > -- > Michael Riter > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc. > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training > mike at traildesign.com > 678-410-8021 > Scanned by McAfee and confirmed virus-free. Find out more here: https://bit.ly/2zCJMrO



From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Jun 30 11:01:00 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:01:00 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
Message-ID: <E1lybi0-002pwd-2A@s152.servername.online>

Well, your gmail.com account is free, but not generalboats.com.

It is not paid for by your domain name fee.  That just buys you the exclusive right to use the domain name.  It would be included in the cost of the hosting services for your domains.  If you're not also paying those bills, then you have an admirer.  Perhaps not too secret; best guess would be MJM.

--Peter

> On 2021-06-29, at 12:57:27 EDT, stan wrote:
>
> Peter says there is no free email service. I don't 
> pay anyone for mine. Is it included as part of the of the domain name 
> periodic billing? Or do I have a secret admirerer. 
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> 


From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Wed Jun 30 11:40:42 2021
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 10:40:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <E1lybi0-002pwd-2A@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1lybi0-002pwd-2A@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moRsFyWP5cTWZwwm0SAQvuW=fuU-uzApzGEpCRm4aaufOA@mail.gmail.com>

Not I, still have a forward in place for rhodes22.com

Look at the headers from a mail sent by Stan, who is the outstanding
server, betting is his local ISP, suspect when generalboats.com has a
forward ing record/hosting setup to thier

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 10:01 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Well, your gmail.com account is free, but not generalboats.com.
>
> It is not paid for by your domain name fee.  That just buys you the
> exclusive right to use the domain name.  It would be included in the cost
> of the hosting services for your domains.  If you're not also paying those
> bills, then you have an admirer.  Perhaps not too secret; best guess would
> be MJM.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2021-06-29, at 12:57:27 EDT, stan wrote:
> >
> > Peter says there is no free email service. I don't
> > pay anyone for mine. Is it included as part of the of the domain name
> > periodic billing? Or do I have a secret admirerer.
> >
> > stan
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Jun 30 13:58:08 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 13:58:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moRsFyWP5cTWZwwm0SAQvuW=fuU-uzApzGEpCRm4aaufOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1lybi0-002pwd-2A@s152.servername.online>
 <CAH-6moRsFyWP5cTWZwwm0SAQvuW=fuU-uzApzGEpCRm4aaufOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005401d76dd9$7cc89550$7659bff0$@ebsmed.com>

According to an email that Stan sent directly to me he is using "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0)
 Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0" as his mail agent originating from stanspizersiMac.lan ([75.170.118.131]).

This is sent through "from p3plsmtpa11-04.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([68.178.252.105])" which is the GoDaddy relay email server for sites hosted by GoDaddy like generalboats.com.

So, Peter and MM are correct, there's no free lunch. Stan's email costs are part of his GoDaddy fees.

I still do not know why Stan fails to see his own emails when sent to the list.

A few questions have come to mind:
	1. Stan, do you create the email in Thunderbird?
	2. Stan, do you see the same action when replying to the list on an "open" thread?
	3. Stan, do you receive the posting acknowledgement that I enabled?
	4. Stan, are you posting through Nabble?
	5. Stan, is it time to go sailing yet?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of michael meltzer
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2021 11:41 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] stan's email issue

Not I, still have a forward in place for rhodes22.com

Look at the headers from a mail sent by Stan, who is the outstanding server, betting is his local ISP, suspect when generalboats.com has a forward ing record/hosting setup to thier

On Wed, Jun 30, 2021, 10:01 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Well, your gmail.com account is free, but not generalboats.com.
>
> It is not paid for by your domain name fee.  That just buys you the 
> exclusive right to use the domain name.  It would be included in the 
> cost of the hosting services for your domains.  If you're not also 
> paying those bills, then you have an admirer.  Perhaps not too secret; 
> best guess would be MJM.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2021-06-29, at 12:57:27 EDT, stan wrote:
> >
> > Peter says there is no free email service. I don't pay anyone for 
> > mine. Is it included as part of the of the domain name periodic 
> > billing? Or do I have a secret admirerer.
> >
> > stan
> >
> >
> >
>
>