[Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications
Lee Kuhn
lvjkuhn at gmail.com
Wed Mar 24 18:19:46 EDT 2021
From the website
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 6:00 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I want to make one clarification. I am talking about upwind sailing using
> the latest generation GBI mainsail traveler. It is available to members of
> ROC for $495 and retrofits in place of your old bar style traveler. Check
> out the Rhodes parts website: http://www.rhodes22parts.com
>
>
> Part No Description
>
> GB29 GB TRAVELER INVENTION
>
> A General Boats product available thru ROC
> membership.
>
> 5' ss bar with all hardware mounted and ready to
> use.
>
> Requiring no cleats. it is positioned by a single
> continuous
>
> push or pull control line from port or starboard
> seating.
>
>
> I would invite the readers to go back and reread my description of the
> evolution of the mainsail traveler on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium given earlier
> in this e-mail thread. The bar style traveler that mounts on the backstays
> has certain issues, especially for short handed sailing close hauled. The
> latest generation traveler (I guess I should start calling it the GB29
> Traveler) solves all these issues. It’s yet another example of Stan’s
> out-of-the-box thinking that results in a clever, elegant solution. Again,
> if you sail short handed and care about boat speed, the GB29 Traveler is a
> game changer! No, I don’t get any commissions from Stan for this
> endorsement, although I ought to considering how much pushback I’m
> getting! Stan, I don’t happen to have any pictures of the GB29 Traveler as
> installed, my boat is still in winter storage, and I don’t have a lake to
> float my boat in. Could you publish a picture?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 5:14 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler Modifications
>
> Rick,
>
> The control lines on the old bar style traveler were rigged 2:1. That’s
> a faster ratio than the mainsheet blocks and the mainsheet must let out or
> take in many more feet of line (~3X). The latest generation traveler can
> be pulled from end to end much faster than the mainsheet can be let out or
> trimmed in.
>
> Check with any book or video tutorial on how to sail fast upwind and it
> will instruct you to make maximum use of your mainsail traveler.
>
> I put it to the rest of the list, have any of you had issues with slow
> response on the mainsail traveler?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 24, 2021, at 5:03 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Roger,
> >
> > That piece of gear is for setting your sails to the prevailing wind. It
> is
> > too cumbersome and limited for responding to gusts.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 4:51 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rick,
> >>
> >> One more question, beginner sailboats do not come equipped with mainsail
> >> travelers; but, more advanced sailboats nearly all have travelers. If
> you
> >> don’t sail your Rhodes 22 to windward while playing the traveler, what
> do
> >> you think that piece of gear is for?
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 24, 2021, at 4:34 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Rick,
> >>>
> >>> If you have so much mainsail area up that dumping the traveler is not
> >> sufficient to keep the boat upright in a gust; then, you need to reef
> down
> >> the mainsail. The more efficient reefed mainsail shape will more than
> >> compensate for the greater unreefed mainsail area that spends a lot of
> time
> >> all twisted and luffing. Besides, it makes you look like a real amateur
> >> and it’s hard on the sail.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 24, 2021, at 4:25 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Rick,
> >>>>
> >>>> I would welcome the chance to match race you. I would be willing to
> >> bet considerable money that your strategy is wrong and I would beat you
> >> decisively.
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Mar 24, 2021, at 4:21 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We're talking about sailing close hauled in a stiff breeze (15-20knt)
> >> with
> >>>>> sudden gusts that will round up the boat. The only mainsail shape
> that
> >>>>> matters during a gust is the shape that quickly dumps enough wind to
> >> keep
> >>>>> the boat on course without luffing the jib and, in the case of the
> R22,
> >>>>> sailing flat.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Easing the main sheet is the quickest way to react while affording
> the
> >>>>> tactile control needed to ease and recover appropriately as the gust
> >>>>> varies. In addition to being quicker than a traveller can move,
> >>>>> sheet control is not as restrictive as a traveller in allowing
> greater
> >> boom
> >>>>> motion for dumping enough wind when there is a really strong gust.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For small sloops up to 32', sailing close hauled by feeling sheet
> >> tension
> >>>>> is the fastest way to go. I have sailed with totally blind crews and
> >> they
> >>>>> sail closer to the wind than many sighted sailors distracted by
> >> watching
> >>>>> sail shape.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rick Lange
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 1:48 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rick,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> My 1976 Rhodes Continental 22 came with a cable style traveler.
> This
> >> was
> >>>>>> not a very good setup and I soon upgraded to the GBI bar-style
> >> traveler
> >>>>>> that is mounted on the backstay. This traveler was much better and
> I
> >> used
> >>>>>> it for many years. However, because the mainsail trimmer needed to
> >> be in
> >>>>>> line with the clam cleats on each end of the traveler bar in order
> to
> >> cleat
> >>>>>> off the control line, it was very difficult for the helmsman to also
> >> play
> >>>>>> the traveler. This was especially an issue when the helmsman was
> >> sitting
> >>>>>> up on the windward gunnel (i.e. hiking out) and the traveler needed
> >> to be
> >>>>>> trimmed to leeward. GBI’s 2nd
> >>>>>> (3rd?) generation traveler pretty much solves all these issues.
> >> Properly
> >>>>>> adjusted, the latest generation traveler has a built-in slip
> >> characteristic
> >>>>>> that will save you in an accidental gibe or a knockdown gust. The
> >>>>>> traveler control line is a continuous loop, which enables the
> >> helmsman to
> >>>>>> play the traveler to windward or leeward without leaving his hiking
> >> station
> >>>>>> up on the windward gunnel. The helmsman drives with one hand on the
> >> tiller
> >>>>>> extension, the other on the traveler control line, and multitasks.
> >> The
> >>>>>> helmsman can feel the weather/lee helm pressure thru the tiller and
> >> is in
> >>>>>> the best position to adjust the traveler to optimize the weather
> >> helm/lee
> >>>>>> helm balance. I’ve been sailing with the new generation traveler
> for
> >> 3
> >>>>>> seasons now. If you care about boat speed and sail short handed,
> this
> >>>>>> upgrade is well worth the price! On a close hauled course in 10-15
> >> knot of
> >>>>>> wind, If you get into a drag race with another Rhodes 22 that is
> >> properly
> >>>>>> using its latest generation traveler vs you using your mainsheet,
> >> you will
> >>>>>> fall behind by ~30-40 sec/nm. In a PHRF race, that’s huge! Other
> >> than
> >>>>>> buying new sails, there is probably no other upgrade that offers
> this
> >> much
> >>>>>> performance per dollar spent.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> >>>>>> Windows 10
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 12:12 PM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] [Rhodes22e-list] New Traveler
> >> Modifications
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Rick,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When you ease the traveler, the end of the boom does not rise as it
> >> does
> >>>>>> when you ease the mainsheet. Thus the mainsail shape is affected
> >> much less
> >>>>>> when you ease the traveler vs the mainsheet. When you trim the
> >> traveler
> >>>>>> back to where it was, the flow reattaches itself much quicker.
> >> Overall,
> >>>>>> boat speed stays higher. That’s why you play the traveler much more
> >> than
> >>>>>> the mainsheet.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 24, 2021, at 11:25 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com
> >>> Trim
> >>>>>> the trawrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jeff,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why the traveller? The sheet is so much faster and gives greater
> >> range
> >>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> boom movement.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Rick Lange
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 9:13 AM JeffSmith <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
> >
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When sailing to weather I like to play the traveler (as opposed to
> >> the
> >>>>>> main
> >>>>>>>> sheet) in the puffs while sitting on the high side cockpit combing
> >> with
> >>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>> hiking stick.
> >>>>>>>> A continuous 5mm line with the core removed where it travels
> >> through the
> >>>>>>>> blocks on the New Traveler and possibly changing the purchase from
> >> 5 to
> >>>>>> 1
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> 3 to 1 is part of my plan. Before holes are drilled in the cockpit
> >>>>>> sides to
> >>>>>>>> accomodate turning blocks to lead the continuous line forward
> >> around the
> >>>>>>>> perimeter of the cockpit, I would welcome input.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----
> >>>>>>>> Jeff Smith
> >>>>>>>> 2009 R22 #101 RADIANT
> >>>>>>>> Atlantic Highlands Municpal Harbor
> >>>>>>>> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
>
>
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