From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 04:44:19 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 11:44:19 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes to bed in the Med
Message-ID: <CADNTwiV3iWZASfZUffOp8EZNqPWg7zxv0gp417R4KmE4UsrqFg@mail.gmail.com>

Had the boat hauled for winter storage. Lots of huge wooden boats (
guletts) in the yard. If you know anyone who is up for an adventure send
them my way.  Attached is the smallest trailer to haul me out.
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From jamcando126 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  1 04:46:19 2021
From: jamcando126 at yahoo.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 08:46:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes to bed in the Med
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Interesting.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Monday, November 1, 2021, 4:44 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:

Had the boat hauled for winter storage. Lots of huge wooden boats (
guletts) in the yard. If you know anyone who is up for an adventure send
them my way.? Attached is the smallest trailer to haul me out.
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Nov  1 07:59:12 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 11:59:12 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dock lines
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References: <3610CECA-F9EA-4B46-AB9B-6C8155673C74.ref@aol.com>
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Thomas,

3/8? lines will be plenty strong enough.  Just be aware of chafe & install chafe guards at wear points.  This would also be an issue with 1/2? lines.

3/8? lines have some other advantages vs. 1/2? lines:


  1.  There is room on your cleats for two 3/8? lines ? i.e. bow line + spring line, doubled up lines, etc.  1/2? lines barely fit one per cleat.
  2.  The 3/8? lines have more stretch and thus less ?jerk? when you are tied up to a dock vs. 1/2? lines.
  3.  3/8? lines with a loop will fit thru the center hole on the cleat and then loop back over the horns of the cleat while still leaving enough of the horns free  to cleat off the line.  This is very useful to run a line from the boat, around a piling on the dock, and then back to the boat.  Then, you don?t need anyone on the dock when it comes time to cast off.  You can?t do this with 1/2? lines.
  4.  3/8? lines are less expensive

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Lee Kuhn<mailto:lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 10:32 PM
To: THOMAS POLISE<mailto:tvpolise at aol.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dock lines

During one of our severe tidal surges on the Cheapeake, my boat was
suspended above the water.  Cleats and 3/8 line did fine.

1/2 lines look cooler.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 10:22 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I keep my Rhodes 22 docked  all season on Barnegat Bay  with lines on both
> sides.  I had old 1/2 ? lines and need to replace all lines next season.
> Everything I?ve read says that 3/8? line should be fine. I?d prefer 3/8? to
> save cost and have an easier time on cleats.
>
> Just curious what the experience is with 3/8? line??..
>


From jhallcrna004 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 12:20:49 2021
From: jhallcrna004 at gmail.com (jhallcrna004)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 11:20:49 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
Message-ID: <CAFeFi0KKVOx_d5RNLCgk1a9Th4Ree-S-+W_anb-Q6GhTSM1Nkg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a Rhodes 22 for sale: White on red, Jib working, Jib 160, and light
screetcher. 8 hp Yamaha, Tiller autopilot, Garman chartplotter/depth
finder. Triad Trailer, Enclosure that needs work. Has been redone by GB one
time, I think the boat is 1987 model. Mast stepping attachment. Boat has
been in fresh water for most of the time. Bottom job two years ago. Two
batteries house and starting separate. VHF radio mast antenna. Cosmetically
looks good needs more love than we can give, The gelcoat is tired. Original
head and stove. Furling jibs and mainsails. "Swallowing the anchor" for a
daysailer. E-mail: jhallcrna007 at gmail.com 18k. Trailer brakes redone 4
years ago. Will take pictures. Jim & Maryl Hall

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 12:50:36 2021
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:50:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dock lines
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I use 3/8" lines on my Rhodes and have never had a problem.

Mike
S/V Ranger
Hampton Roads, VA

On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 7:59 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Thomas,
>
> 3/8? lines will be plenty strong enough.  Just be aware of chafe & install
> chafe guards at wear points.  This would also be an issue with 1/2? lines.
>
> 3/8? lines have some other advantages vs. 1/2? lines:
>
>
>   1.  There is room on your cleats for two 3/8? lines ? i.e. bow line +
> spring line, doubled up lines, etc.  1/2? lines barely fit one per cleat.
>   2.  The 3/8? lines have more stretch and thus less ?jerk? when you are
> tied up to a dock vs. 1/2? lines.
>   3.  3/8? lines with a loop will fit thru the center hole on the cleat
> and then loop back over the horns of the cleat while still leaving enough
> of the horns free  to cleat off the line.  This is very useful to run a
> line from the boat, around a piling on the dock, and then back to the
> boat.  Then, you don?t need anyone on the dock when it comes time to cast
> off.  You can?t do this with 1/2? lines.
>   4.  3/8? lines are less expensive
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Lee Kuhn<mailto:lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2021 10:32 PM
> To: THOMAS POLISE<mailto:tvpolise at aol.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email
> List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Dock lines
>
> During one of our severe tidal surges on the Cheapeake, my boat was
> suspended above the water.  Cleats and 3/8 line did fine.
>
> 1/2 lines look cooler.
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 10:22 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > I keep my Rhodes 22 docked  all season on Barnegat Bay  with lines on
> both
> > sides.  I had old 1/2 ? lines and need to replace all lines next season.
> > Everything I?ve read says that 3/8? line should be fine. I?d prefer 3/8?
> to
> > save cost and have an easier time on cleats.
> >
> > Just curious what the experience is with 3/8? line??..
> >
>
>

From rodellner at mac.com  Mon Nov  1 13:07:37 2021
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 11:07:37 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes to bed in the Med
In-Reply-To: <1777051548.1817065.1635756379700@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1777051548.1817065.1635756379700@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <78FF4881-16DD-4F15-8E5E-A60F453FEE5C@mac.com>

Can?t wait to hear the stories Chris

Mary and Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2021, at 2:46 AM, John McLaughlin via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Interesting.
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
> 
> 
> On Monday, November 1, 2021, 4:44 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Had the boat hauled for winter storage. Lots of huge wooden boats (
> guletts) in the yard. If you know anyone who is up for an adventure send
> them my way.  Attached is the smallest trailer to haul me out.
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From forg3d at gmail.com  Mon Nov  1 13:28:01 2021
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:28:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <CAFeFi0KKVOx_d5RNLCgk1a9Th4Ree-S-+W_anb-Q6GhTSM1Nkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFeFi0KKVOx_d5RNLCgk1a9Th4Ree-S-+W_anb-Q6GhTSM1Nkg@mail.gmail.com>
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Where is she located? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 1, 2021, at 11:21 AM, jhallcrna004 <jhallcrna004 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I have a Rhodes 22 for sale: White on red, Jib working, Jib 160, and light
> screetcher. 8 hp Yamaha, Tiller autopilot, Garman chartplotter/depth
> finder. Triad Trailer, Enclosure that needs work. Has been redone by GB one
> time, I think the boat is 1987 model. Mast stepping attachment. Boat has
> been in fresh water for most of the time. Bottom job two years ago. Two
> batteries house and starting separate. VHF radio mast antenna. Cosmetically
> looks good needs more love than we can give, The gelcoat is tired. Original
> head and stove. Furling jibs and mainsails. "Swallowing the anchor" for a
> daysailer. E-mail: jhallcrna007 at gmail.com 18k. Trailer brakes redone 4
> years ago. Will take pictures. Jim & Maryl Hall

From forg3d at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 08:37:21 2021
From: forg3d at gmail.com (forg3d at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 07:37:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Grounding
Message-ID: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>

Folks,

 

Re doing on the wiring (first time) and was wondering where the electrical
panel is grounded to?  Any help would be appreciated.

 

Cheers,

 

Jeff

 


From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Tue Nov  2 08:42:10 2021
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 07:42:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Grounding
In-Reply-To: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>
References: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moSjpj+xHaiphnsndpM1GoAX26EDJz6ymOET=z+mJU67ew@mail.gmail.com>

12 volt dc systems are not eath grounded, they go from the positive to
negative terminal of the battery. The rigging of the rhodes22 is not
bonded.

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 7:37 AM <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks,
>
>
>
> Re doing on the wiring (first time) and was wondering where the electrical
> panel is grounded to?  Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>

From forg3d at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 08:47:48 2021
From: forg3d at gmail.com (forg3d at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 07:47:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Grounding
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moSjpj+xHaiphnsndpM1GoAX26EDJz6ymOET=z+mJU67ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>
 <CAH-6moSjpj+xHaiphnsndpM1GoAX26EDJz6ymOET=z+mJU67ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015a01d7cfe7$d7bd9580$8738c080$@gmail.com>

Thanks appreciate the quick answer.

Cheers,
Jeff

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of michael meltzer
Sent: Tuesday, November 2, 2021 7:42 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Grounding

12 volt dc systems are not eath grounded, they go from the positive to negative terminal of the battery. The rigging of the rhodes22 is not bonded.

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 7:37 AM <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks,
>
>
>
> Re doing on the wiring (first time) and was wondering where the 
> electrical panel is grounded to?  Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>


From hnw555 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 08:55:59 2021
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 08:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Grounding
In-Reply-To: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>
References: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMBM9tX9r75sSb2D0D1_wc3-EUyV7iVG=YFmN3DYX6UVAg@mail.gmail.com>

The panel itself doesn't connect to ground as it controls the positive side
of the circuit.  All of your electrical devices (lights, radio, etc) should
have a pair of wires with the positive side connecting to the panel and the
negative side connecting to a negative bus bar, which is then connected to
the negative side of the battery.

This website has a nice, simple description of boat wiring basics.
Scroll down and you can see how the system is built.
https://newwiremarine.com/how-to/wiring-a-boat/

Stan is great at building boats, but he didn't usually follow marine best
practices on electrical wiring so you're likely to find that your boat is
not wired the same.

Hank

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:37 AM <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks,
>
>
>
> Re doing on the wiring (first time) and was wondering where the electrical
> panel is grounded to?  Any help would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Nov  2 17:05:54 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 17:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Grounding
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMBM9tX9r75sSb2D0D1_wc3-EUyV7iVG=YFmN3DYX6UVAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>
 <CADQNfMBM9tX9r75sSb2D0D1_wc3-EUyV7iVG=YFmN3DYX6UVAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMRRkfb+YvvtLOp6KenPokxDNV2GurXkXhMk=UOC5CUKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hank,

Great website..

Be careful when making comments about Stan's practices.
I made a comment about Stan not following best practices and he said I was
being "gratuitously disingenuous".

BAHAHAHAHA... ?

Todd T.

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 8:56 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The panel itself doesn't connect to ground as it controls the positive side
> of the circuit.  All of your electrical devices (lights, radio, etc) should
> have a pair of wires with the positive side connecting to the panel and the
> negative side connecting to a negative bus bar, which is then connected to
> the negative side of the battery.
>
> This website has a nice, simple description of boat wiring basics.
> Scroll down and you can see how the system is built.
> https://newwiremarine.com/how-to/wiring-a-boat/
>
> Stan is great at building boats, but he didn't usually follow marine best
> practices on electrical wiring so you're likely to find that your boat is
> not wired the same.
>
> Hank
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:37 AM <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Folks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Re doing on the wiring (first time) and was wondering where the
> electrical
> > panel is grounded to?  Any help would be appreciated.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Nov  2 19:14:05 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2021 23:14:05 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY4cwZjh4G2T+rbWLM3NrzRjrkRw=U81WJujjUdnFLv_bA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7L6pnRT4F0ZnSKiBjte4Mp8F58eSPz6wcJNFsrd4ey8g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69209CCE223F310E3CEA74B7808B9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Tom,

So what happened with the boat detailer and your boat?s bottom refinish?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just didn't
> think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with another r22 owner
> who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> 
> As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation of
> this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference materials.  We
> sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value. (Triple
> printing USD these last two years aside)
> 
> All comments on this appreciated,
> Fair winds,
> Tom
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tom,
>> 
>> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most knowledgeable
>> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from him.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?F...
>>> 
>>> Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
>>> 
>>> What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any resource
>>> that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or something has
>>> covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some
>> "super
>>> special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
>> doesn't??
>>> I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they F'd
>> up.
>>> Pardon my french.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me...
>> And I
>>> try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because his
>>> expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
>>> 
>>> Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.
>>> 
>>> I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
>>> exposure to them.
>>> 
>>> Meltzer knows... Lol
>>> Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
>>> 
>>> I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
>>> unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
>>> 
>>> Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Tom,
>>>> 
>>>> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP substrate.
>>>> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or
>> even
>>>> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail<
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9cec6c92eddc456bca3808d99410f01f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703622746085324%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=0er%2FOQBnPUU%2BoXAFk1N%2Braz%2FFn70DfzE%2FP1KJpBOqT4%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> for Windows
>>>> 
>>>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>>>> 
>>>> Ooooof...
>>>> 
>>>> 1. I silently paid and left.
>>>> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
>>>> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
>>>> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this
>> now?
>>>> 
>>>> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
>>>> Michigan. Not every year.
>>>> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater
>> guys
>>>> messed it up?
>>>> 
>>>> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been ground
>> in
>>>> by the buffing?
>>>> 
>>>> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it
>> with
>>>> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...  No
>>>> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Tom,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure
>>>>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going
>> to
>>>>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
>>>> their
>>>>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about
>>>> osmotic
>>>>> blisters!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Mail<
>>>> 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9cec6c92eddc456bca3808d99410f01f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703622746085324%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=0er%2FOQBnPUU%2BoXAFk1N%2Braz%2FFn70DfzE%2FP1KJpBOqT4%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> 
>>>> for Windows
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>>>>> 
>>>>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thoughts?
>>>>> 
>>>>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
>>>>> 
>>>>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20211020%2Fb34a7a55%2Fattachment-0002.jpg&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9cec6c92eddc456bca3808d99410f01f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703622746085324%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=autCWyeioOeWxp1rhd2ydWXUus0suDPnOKEmd5%2F97Qk%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 12:30:31 2021
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 12:30:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Grounding
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMMRRkfb+YvvtLOp6KenPokxDNV2GurXkXhMk=UOC5CUKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>
 <CADQNfMBM9tX9r75sSb2D0D1_wc3-EUyV7iVG=YFmN3DYX6UVAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMMRRkfb+YvvtLOp6KenPokxDNV2GurXkXhMk=UOC5CUKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMDY7S7Uid+EzmuYeCJE=HPGKOX=kLuA=2MO_V1Lkx_vCA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Todd,

Not trying to poke the bear, lol, but I have helped a few boats with their
electrical issues.  I used to be an aircraft electrician in the Army and
aircraft 28vdc systems are actually quite similar to boat 12vdc systems.

Hank

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 5:06 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hank,
>
> Great website..
>
> Be careful when making comments about Stan's practices.
> I made a comment about Stan not following best practices and he said I was
> being "gratuitously disingenuous".
>
> BAHAHAHAHA... ?
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 8:56 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The panel itself doesn't connect to ground as it controls the positive
> side
> > of the circuit.  All of your electrical devices (lights, radio, etc)
> should
> > have a pair of wires with the positive side connecting to the panel and
> the
> > negative side connecting to a negative bus bar, which is then connected
> to
> > the negative side of the battery.
> >
> > This website has a nice, simple description of boat wiring basics.
> > Scroll down and you can see how the system is built.
> > https://newwiremarine.com/how-to/wiring-a-boat/
> >
> > Stan is great at building boats, but he didn't usually follow marine best
> > practices on electrical wiring so you're likely to find that your boat is
> > not wired the same.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:37 AM <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Folks,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Re doing on the wiring (first time) and was wondering where the
> > electrical
> > > panel is grounded to?  Any help would be appreciated.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 15:43:01 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 15:43:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Grounding
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMDY7S7Uid+EzmuYeCJE=HPGKOX=kLuA=2MO_V1Lkx_vCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>
 <CADQNfMBM9tX9r75sSb2D0D1_wc3-EUyV7iVG=YFmN3DYX6UVAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMMRRkfb+YvvtLOp6KenPokxDNV2GurXkXhMk=UOC5CUKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADQNfMDY7S7Uid+EzmuYeCJE=HPGKOX=kLuA=2MO_V1Lkx_vCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMLoSNdWwjAFJVLqQxjtQGSmq=abkEJJ-Wr6-rvb7ZEZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hank,
I know you weren't... I was joking.

I got my A&P license in 1982 and then fixed Blackhawks in the Army.

Let me wish you an early Happy Veterans Day,  and thank you for your
Service.

Cheers!

Todd T

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 12:30 PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Todd,
>
> Not trying to poke the bear, lol, but I have helped a few boats with their
> electrical issues.  I used to be an aircraft electrician in the Army and
> aircraft 28vdc systems are actually quite similar to boat 12vdc systems.
>
> Hank
>
> On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 5:06 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hank,
> >
> > Great website..
> >
> > Be careful when making comments about Stan's practices.
> > I made a comment about Stan not following best practices and he said I
> was
> > being "gratuitously disingenuous".
> >
> > BAHAHAHAHA... ?
> >
> > Todd T.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 8:56 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The panel itself doesn't connect to ground as it controls the positive
> > side
> > > of the circuit.  All of your electrical devices (lights, radio, etc)
> > should
> > > have a pair of wires with the positive side connecting to the panel and
> > the
> > > negative side connecting to a negative bus bar, which is then connected
> > to
> > > the negative side of the battery.
> > >
> > > This website has a nice, simple description of boat wiring basics.
> > > Scroll down and you can see how the system is built.
> > > https://newwiremarine.com/how-to/wiring-a-boat/
> > >
> > > Stan is great at building boats, but he didn't usually follow marine
> best
> > > practices on electrical wiring so you're likely to find that your boat
> is
> > > not wired the same.
> > >
> > > Hank
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:37 AM <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Folks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Re doing on the wiring (first time) and was wondering where the
> > > electrical
> > > > panel is grounded to?  Any help would be appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeff
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 16:51:23 2021
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 16:51:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Grounding
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMMLoSNdWwjAFJVLqQxjtQGSmq=abkEJJ-Wr6-rvb7ZEZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>
 <CADQNfMBM9tX9r75sSb2D0D1_wc3-EUyV7iVG=YFmN3DYX6UVAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMMRRkfb+YvvtLOp6KenPokxDNV2GurXkXhMk=UOC5CUKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADQNfMDY7S7Uid+EzmuYeCJE=HPGKOX=kLuA=2MO_V1Lkx_vCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMMLoSNdWwjAFJVLqQxjtQGSmq=abkEJJ-Wr6-rvb7ZEZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMCeYdWxu1ViV-pZtWx2a+K_yy9EUOvQgPhyhLM5R0Ou-Q@mail.gmail.com>

I absolutely know you were joking! I went active duty in 1982 and started
working on Blackhawks in Korea in 1983.  Where were you stationed? Happy
Veteran's day to you as well!

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:43 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hank,
> I know you weren't... I was joking.
>
> I got my A&P license in 1982 and then fixed Blackhawks in the Army.
>
> Let me wish you an early Happy Veterans Day,  and thank you for your
> Service.
>
> Cheers!
>
> Todd T
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 12:30 PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Todd,
> >
> > Not trying to poke the bear, lol, but I have helped a few boats with
> their
> > electrical issues.  I used to be an aircraft electrician in the Army and
> > aircraft 28vdc systems are actually quite similar to boat 12vdc systems.
> >
> > Hank
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 5:06 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hank,
> > >
> > > Great website..
> > >
> > > Be careful when making comments about Stan's practices.
> > > I made a comment about Stan not following best practices and he said I
> > was
> > > being "gratuitously disingenuous".
> > >
> > > BAHAHAHAHA... ?
> > >
> > > Todd T.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 8:56 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The panel itself doesn't connect to ground as it controls the
> positive
> > > side
> > > > of the circuit.  All of your electrical devices (lights, radio, etc)
> > > should
> > > > have a pair of wires with the positive side connecting to the panel
> and
> > > the
> > > > negative side connecting to a negative bus bar, which is then
> connected
> > > to
> > > > the negative side of the battery.
> > > >
> > > > This website has a nice, simple description of boat wiring basics.
> > > > Scroll down and you can see how the system is built.
> > > > https://newwiremarine.com/how-to/wiring-a-boat/
> > > >
> > > > Stan is great at building boats, but he didn't usually follow marine
> > best
> > > > practices on electrical wiring so you're likely to find that your
> boat
> > is
> > > > not wired the same.
> > > >
> > > > Hank
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:37 AM <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Folks,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Re doing on the wiring (first time) and was wondering where the
> > > > electrical
> > > > > panel is grounded to?  Any help would be appreciated.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  3 18:19:15 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 18:19:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Grounding
In-Reply-To: <CADQNfMCeYdWxu1ViV-pZtWx2a+K_yy9EUOvQgPhyhLM5R0Ou-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002601d7cfe6$61ce3290$256a97b0$@gmail.com>
 <CADQNfMBM9tX9r75sSb2D0D1_wc3-EUyV7iVG=YFmN3DYX6UVAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMMRRkfb+YvvtLOp6KenPokxDNV2GurXkXhMk=UOC5CUKw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADQNfMDY7S7Uid+EzmuYeCJE=HPGKOX=kLuA=2MO_V1Lkx_vCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMMLoSNdWwjAFJVLqQxjtQGSmq=abkEJJ-Wr6-rvb7ZEZA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADQNfMCeYdWxu1ViV-pZtWx2a+K_yy9EUOvQgPhyhLM5R0Ou-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMPYS=7Ksy4aLNMnpRW5xk_RF0vCN1HBCZG=PBGyquaDYA@mail.gmail.com>

Schofield Barracks, Hawaii was my last duty station. I left the Army in
1989 and went to work for Hawaiian Airlines.
The hours and shifts in the airline industry were too crazy and I switched
to installing and repairing elevators for the past 31 years.
(the thread police are going to come get us for this side topic)

Todd T

On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 4:51 PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I absolutely know you were joking! I went active duty in 1982 and started
> working on Blackhawks in Korea in 1983.  Where were you stationed? Happy
> Veteran's day to you as well!
>
> On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 3:43 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hank,
> > I know you weren't... I was joking.
> >
> > I got my A&P license in 1982 and then fixed Blackhawks in the Army.
> >
> > Let me wish you an early Happy Veterans Day,  and thank you for your
> > Service.
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Todd T
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 3, 2021, 12:30 PM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Todd,
> > >
> > > Not trying to poke the bear, lol, but I have helped a few boats with
> > their
> > > electrical issues.  I used to be an aircraft electrician in the Army
> and
> > > aircraft 28vdc systems are actually quite similar to boat 12vdc
> systems.
> > >
> > > Hank
> > >
> > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 5:06 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hank,
> > > >
> > > > Great website..
> > > >
> > > > Be careful when making comments about Stan's practices.
> > > > I made a comment about Stan not following best practices and he said
> I
> > > was
> > > > being "gratuitously disingenuous".
> > > >
> > > > BAHAHAHAHA... ?
> > > >
> > > > Todd T.
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 8:56 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The panel itself doesn't connect to ground as it controls the
> > positive
> > > > side
> > > > > of the circuit.  All of your electrical devices (lights, radio,
> etc)
> > > > should
> > > > > have a pair of wires with the positive side connecting to the panel
> > and
> > > > the
> > > > > negative side connecting to a negative bus bar, which is then
> > connected
> > > > to
> > > > > the negative side of the battery.
> > > > >
> > > > > This website has a nice, simple description of boat wiring basics.
> > > > > Scroll down and you can see how the system is built.
> > > > > https://newwiremarine.com/how-to/wiring-a-boat/
> > > > >
> > > > > Stan is great at building boats, but he didn't usually follow
> marine
> > > best
> > > > > practices on electrical wiring so you're likely to find that your
> > boat
> > > is
> > > > > not wired the same.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hank
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Nov 2, 2021 at 8:37 AM <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Folks,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Re doing on the wiring (first time) and was wondering where the
> > > > > electrical
> > > > > > panel is grounded to?  Any help would be appreciated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Nov  3 21:18:44 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2021 18:18:44 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thread Police and Military Service
Message-ID: <E1miROu-00GXrh-P4@s152.servername.online>

Consider yourselves scolded.  Come on, how hard is it to change a subject line?

I was in the Coast Guard from 1972 to 1976, but didn't manage to learn any useful skills.

--Peter

> On 2021-11-03, at 18:19:15 EDT, Todd Tavares wrote:
>
> Schofield Barracks, Hawaii was my last duty station. I left the Army in 1989 and 
> went to work for Hawaiian Airlines. 
> The hours and shifts in the airline industry were too crazy and I switched to 
> installing and repairing elevators for the past 31 years. (the thread police are 
> going to come get us for this side topic) 
> 
> Todd T
> 
> 


From gramille at tds.net  Wed Nov  3 22:12:30 2021
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 22:12:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
Message-ID: <06D1A349-29A9-4B7C-AADE-3D8C77796EB8@tds.net>

Has anyone replaced the little wheels on the Rhodes 22 traveller and, if so , where did they find those little white wheels? I am hoping to make it easier to move the traveller from side to side!
Cheers,
Graham Parker
sv 00Sailin

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Nov  4 03:03:19 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 10:03:19 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
In-Reply-To: <06D1A349-29A9-4B7C-AADE-3D8C77796EB8@tds.net>
References: <06D1A349-29A9-4B7C-AADE-3D8C77796EB8@tds.net>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXVYYLj27FMYT5gw12FaTO=fP4eBS4FrPv190v8E1S68w@mail.gmail.com>

Ya? picked a fine time to leave me loose wheel. Sorry Graham I couldn?t
help myself.
Chris Geankoplis
S/V Enosis now Xenos

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 5:12 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Has anyone replaced the little wheels on the Rhodes 22 traveller and, if
> so , where did they find those little white wheels? I am hoping to make it
> easier to move the traveller from side to side!
> Cheers,
> Graham Parker
> sv 00Sailin

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Nov  4 07:28:20 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 11:28:20 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thread Police and Military Service
In-Reply-To: <E1miROu-00GXrh-P4@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1miROu-00GXrh-P4@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920AD8177B03114E893DAB5808D9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Peter,

Speaking of the thread police, where did the work around experiment that I sent to the list end up in the archives after Pipermail  ?Sky Net? crunched it?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 3, 2021 9:18 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thread Police and Military Service

Consider yourselves scolded.  Come on, how hard is it to change a subject line?

I was in the Coast Guard from 1972 to 1976, but didn't manage to learn any useful skills.

--Peter

> On 2021-11-03, at 18:19:15 EDT, Todd Tavares wrote:
>
> Schofield Barracks, Hawaii was my last duty station. I left the Army in 1989 and
> went to work for Hawaiian Airlines.
> The hours and shifts in the airline industry were too crazy and I switched to
> installing and repairing elevators for the past 31 years. (the thread police are
> going to come get us for this side topic)
>
> Todd T
>
>


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Thu Nov  4 10:53:16 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 10:53:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
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Don't know what's out there now but do a search for "replacement sheaves."

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246?? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/3/2021 10:12 PM, Graham Parker wrote:
> Has anyone replaced the little wheels on the Rhodes 22 traveller and, if so , where did they find those little white wheels? I am hoping to make it easier to move the traveller from side to side!
> Cheers,
> Graham Parker
> sv 00Sailin


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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Nov  4 15:27:46 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2021 12:27:46 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thread Police and Military Service
Message-ID: <E1miiOo-008ZSZ-KO@s152.servername.online>

Roger,

I've gone into the archives to see how the messages were threaded.  There should be a screen shot attached.  The page of the archives can accessed using http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2021-October/thread.html

The thread 'Furling headsail replacement' was started by Michael McKay on Oct 14 at 12:21 PM.  You replied to Michael's post on Oct 14 at 3:23 PM.  Then on Oct 23 at 8:27 AM, you replied to your own Oct 14 reply.

Pipermail determination of threading seems appropriate, but in both of your replies you kept the subject unchanged, and you included the text of the message being replied to.  So those posts don't do much to prove (or disprove) my theory that Pipermail uses neither subject nor message content in making decisions about threading.

However, on Oct 31st, you sent a post with the subject 'End of summer', which Pipermail threaded as a response to your Oct 23 'Furling headsail replacement' post.  Not only was the subject changed, but the Oct 31st post contained none of the content of the Oct 23rd post other than the picture attachment.   Do you happen to recall how you created that email?

> On 2021-11-04, at 07:28:20 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Peter,
> 
> Speaking of the thread police, where did the work around experiment that I sent 
> to the list end up in the archives after Pipermail  ?Sky Net? crunched it? 
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 

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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Nov  4 15:32:50 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 19:32:50 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
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Graham,

I don?t think they sell just the ?little white wheels? that run on the 1? OD tubing; but, Rig-Rite, Inc will sell you an entire traveler car assembly:

www.RigRite.com<http://www.RigRite.com>      (401) 739-1140        P/N: NF 529-1

The part number implies this is a Nicro-Fico traveler car.  But, I don?t find it for sale at any other Nicro-Fico vender?s website.
Have you tried cleaning and lubricating your present traveler car?   My traveler car can be disassembled for cleaning.

Another tip that will make the traveler car run free is to wash the traveler control lines on warm permanent press cycle, with Ivory soap and Downey fabric softener, and then tumble dry.  The control lines should have a nice ?soft?, not stiff, feel to them.  The jam cleats will also bite into them more effectively and be less likely to slip.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Mary Lou Troy<mailto:mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 10:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller

Don't know what's out there now but do a search for "replacement sheaves."

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246   Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/3/2021 10:12 PM, Graham Parker wrote:
> Has anyone replaced the little wheels on the Rhodes 22 traveller and, if so , where did they find those little white wheels? I am hoping to make it easier to move the traveller from side to side!
> Cheers,
> Graham Parker
> sv 00Sailin


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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Thu Nov  4 16:12:55 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 15:12:55 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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It's ongoing and unfolding.

I don't think it's down through/to gelcoat/cover layer.

It does need sanding/soda...  I think soda might be overkill, but faster
than sanding.

Barrier
Barrier
Barrier
Barrier
Paint
Paint
Anti fouling
Anti fouling

They one shop says they know the storage folks well, but it's been silence
since I suggested it needs to be refinished.

I can't even get new pictures at the moment as they are so busy storing at
the end of the season...

I'd like a clear direction on refinishing the bottom, need to search
archives I guess.

Any other thoughts?

On Tue, Nov 2, 2021, 6:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> So what happened with the boat detailer and your boat?s bottom refinish?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 5:31 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just
> didn't
> > think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with another r22 owner
> > who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> >
> > As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation of
> > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference materials.
> We
> > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value. (Triple
> > printing USD these last two years aside)
> >
> > All comments on this appreciated,
> > Fair winds,
> > Tom
> >
> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most knowledgeable
> >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from
> him.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?F...
> >>>
> >>> Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
> resource
> >>> that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or something
> has
> >>> covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some
> >> "super
> >>> special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
> >> doesn't??
> >>> I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they F'd
> >> up.
> >>> Pardon my french.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me...
> >> And I
> >>> try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because his
> >>> expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> >>>
> >>> Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.
> >>>
> >>> I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
> >>> exposure to them.
> >>>
> >>> Meltzer knows... Lol
> >>> Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> >>>
> >>> I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> >>> unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> >>>
> >>> Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> >>> Tom
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Tom,
> >>>>
> >>>> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> substrate.
> >>>> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or
> >> even
> >>>> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
> >>>>
> >>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from Mail<
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9cec6c92eddc456bca3808d99410f01f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703622746085324%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=0er%2FOQBnPUU%2BoXAFk1N%2Braz%2FFn70DfzE%2FP1KJpBOqT4%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >
> >> for Windows
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >>>>
> >>>> Ooooof...
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. I silently paid and left.
> >>>> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> >>>> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
> >>>> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this
> >> now?
> >>>>
> >>>> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> >>>> Michigan. Not every year.
> >>>> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater
> >> guys
> >>>> messed it up?
> >>>>
> >>>> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
> ground
> >> in
> >>>> by the buffing?
> >>>>
> >>>> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it
> >> with
> >>>> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...
> No
> >>>> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tom,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their
> pressure
> >>>>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
> going
> >> to
> >>>>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
> >>>> their
> >>>>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about
> >>>> osmotic
> >>>>> blisters!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from Mail<
> >>>>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9cec6c92eddc456bca3808d99410f01f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703622746085324%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=0er%2FOQBnPUU%2BoXAFk1N%2Braz%2FFn70DfzE%2FP1KJpBOqT4%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>>
> >>>> for Windows
> >>>>>
> >>>>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> >>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Thu Nov  4 16:23:47 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2021 20:23:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
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I found them at? Qcsupply.com 7/8 dia is what I used? .61 cents


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From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller

Graham,

I don?t think they sell just the ?little white wheels? that run on the 1? OD tubing; but, Rig-Rite, Inc will sell you an entire traveler car assembly:

www.RigRite.com<http://www.RigRite.com>? ? ? (401) 739-1140? ? ? ? P/N: NF 529-1

The part number implies this is a Nicro-Fico traveler car.? But, I don?t find it for sale at any other Nicro-Fico vender?s website.
Have you tried cleaning and lubricating your present traveler car?? My traveler car can be disassembled for cleaning.

Another tip that will make the traveler car run free is to wash the traveler control lines on warm permanent press cycle, with Ivory soap and Downey fabric softener, and then tumble dry.? The control lines should have a nice ?soft?, not stiff, feel to them.? The jam cleats will also bite into them more effectively and be less likely to slip.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Mary Lou Troy<mailto:mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 10:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller

Don't know what's out there now but do a search for "replacement sheaves."

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/3/2021 10:12 PM, Graham Parker wrote:
> Has anyone replaced the little wheels on the Rhodes 22 traveller and, if so , where did they find those little white wheels? I am hoping to make it easier to move the traveller from side to side!
> Cheers,
> Graham Parker
> sv 00Sailin


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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Nov  5 07:13:25 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:13:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
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Mark,

If the attached image from QC Supply is what you are talking about; then, it?s the wrong sheave.  This was the only similar pulley sheave on their website.

AP 7/8? Nylon Pulley Sheave
QC P/N: AP350030S     Mfg?s P/N: 35-0030S
Cost: $0.61/each

[AP 7/8" Nylon Pulley Sheave]

The bore size on the hole on this pulley is 7/32? ID.  My Rhodes 22 is put away for the winter.  So, I can?t measure the bore size on the sheaves on my traveler car.  However, 7/32? ID would be an appropriate, slip fit, bore size for a 3/16? OD shaft.  That sounds like kind of a small shaft size for the sort of loads the Rhodes 22 traveler car carries.  However, it looks like you could drill it out to pretty much whatever you wanted, assuming you have a drill press.

However, there is a bigger issue.  The groove on this sheave was designed for 1/8? OD rope, not 1? OD tubing.  That?s a pretty big mismatch.  Unless you remachined the groove, I doubt this sheave would stay on the traveler bar under load.  It certainly wouldn?t roll freely under load.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 4:23 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller

I found them at  Qcsupply.com 7/8 dia is what I used  .61 cents


-----Original Message-----
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 3:32 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller

Graham,

I don?t think they sell just the ?little white wheels? that run on the 1? OD tubing; but, Rig-Rite, Inc will sell you an entire traveler car assembly:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&amp;reserved=0<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&amp;reserved=0> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&amp;reserved=0%3chttps://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&amp;reserved=0%3e?>      (401) 739-1140        P/N: NF 529-1

The part number implies this is a Nicro-Fico traveler car.  But, I don?t find it for sale at any other Nicro-Fico vender?s website.
Have you tried cleaning and lubricating your present traveler car?  My traveler car can be disassembled for cleaning.

Another tip that will make the traveler car run free is to wash the traveler control lines on warm permanent press cycle, with Ivory soap and Downey fabric softener, and then tumble dry.  The control lines should have a nice ?soft?, not stiff, feel to them.  The jam cleats will also bite into them more effectively and be less likely to slip.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Mary Lou Troy<mailto:mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 10:53 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller

Don't know what's out there now but do a search for "replacement sheaves."

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/3/2021 10:12 PM, Graham Parker wrote:
> Has anyone replaced the little wheels on the Rhodes 22 traveller and, if so , where did they find those little white wheels? I am hoping to make it easier to move the traveller from side to side!
> Cheers,
> Graham Parker
> sv 00Sailin


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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Nov  5 07:30:18 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 11:30:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thread Police and Military Service
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Peter,

OK, a clunky work around is better than no work around at all.

The Oct 31st ?End Of Summer? post was created on my i-phone by deleting all the Oct 23rd post content, changing the subject line, and then typing new content.  I thought I had deleted all the original content and didn?t discover I had not deleted the attached picture until after I had sent the post.  Are you saying Pipermail keyed off just the attached photo to determine where it was going to file this new post even though it had a different subject line and 99+% new content?  Good grief!  What are we dealing with here?  Is there some sort of label in the background, not visible to the user; that, Pipermail assigns to a completely new thread?  This invisible label then stays with that thread no matter how it is modified?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 3:27 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Thread Police and Military Service

Roger,

I've gone into the archives to see how the messages were threaded.  There should be a screen shot attached.  The page of the archives can accessed using https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2021-October%2Fthread.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C565b9efc5ad04c27042608d99fc9319d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716508737972991%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=niLdiMT516KkK5thHMudYk6hnF5LKcVwU7mFjRFAfTg%3D&amp;reserved=0

The thread 'Furling headsail replacement' was started by Michael McKay on Oct 14 at 12:21 PM.  You replied to Michael's post on Oct 14 at 3:23 PM.  Then on Oct 23 at 8:27 AM, you replied to your own Oct 14 reply.

Pipermail determination of threading seems appropriate, but in both of your replies you kept the subject unchanged, and you included the text of the message being replied to.  So those posts don't do much to prove (or disprove) my theory that Pipermail uses neither subject nor message content in making decisions about threading.

However, on Oct 31st, you sent a post with the subject 'End of summer', which Pipermail threaded as a response to your Oct 23 'Furling headsail replacement' post.  Not only was the subject changed, but the Oct 31st post contained none of the content of the Oct 23rd post other than the picture attachment.   Do you happen to recall how you created that email?

> On 2021-11-04, at 07:28:20 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> Speaking of the thread police, where did the work around experiment that I sent
> to the list end up in the archives after Pipermail  ?Sky Net? crunched it?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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From gramille at tds.net  Fri Nov  5 09:22:05 2021
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 09:22:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
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May thanks to Roger, Mark, Charles and Mary Lou,
Sounds like washing the red line  and lubing the wheels will be my first option to try!
Mark, did the replacement wheels you found at Qcsupply  work and improve the running of the traveller?
G  

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 07:13, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> If the attached image from QC Supply is what you are talking about; then, it?s the wrong sheave.  This was the only similar pulley sheave on their website.
> 
> AP 7/8? Nylon Pulley Sheave
> QC P/N: AP350030S     Mfg?s P/N: 35-0030S
> Cost: $0.61/each
> 
> [AP 7/8" Nylon Pulley Sheave]
> 
> The bore size on the hole on this pulley is 7/32? ID.  My Rhodes 22 is put away for the winter.  So, I can?t measure the bore size on the sheaves on my traveler car.  However, 7/32? ID would be an appropriate, slip fit, bore size for a 3/16? OD shaft.  That sounds like kind of a small shaft size for the sort of loads the Rhodes 22 traveler car carries.  However, it looks like you could drill it out to pretty much whatever you wanted, assuming you have a drill press.
> 
> However, there is a bigger issue.  The groove on this sheave was designed for 1/8? OD rope, not 1? OD tubing.  That?s a pretty big mismatch.  Unless you remachined the groove, I doubt this sheave would stay on the traveler bar under load.  It certainly wouldn?t roll freely under load.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 4:23 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
> 
> I found them at  Qcsupply.com 7/8 dia is what I used  .61 cents
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 3:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
> 
> Graham,
> 
> I don?t think they sell just the ?little white wheels? that run on the 1? OD tubing; but, Rig-Rite, Inc will sell you an entire traveler car assembly:
> 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&amp;reserved=0<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&amp;reserved=0> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&amp;reserved=0%3chttps://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&amp;reserved=0%3e >      (401) 739-1140        P/N: NF 529-1
> 
> The part number implies this is a Nicro-Fico traveler car.  But, I don?t find it for sale at any other Nicro-Fico vender?s website.
> Have you tried cleaning and lubricating your present traveler car?  My traveler car can be disassembled for cleaning.
> 
> Another tip that will make the traveler car run free is to wash the traveler control lines on warm permanent press cycle, with Ivory soap and Downey fabric softener, and then tumble dry.  The control lines should have a nice ?soft?, not stiff, feel to them.  The jam cleats will also bite into them more effectively and be less likely to slip.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340705528%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=dHNTGdVqiGSxPaG50DEhwooSuryyR0YJa96ufrxP7sg%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
> 
> From: Mary Lou Troy<mailto:mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 10:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
> 
> Don't know what's out there now but do a search for "replacement sheaves."
> 
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246  Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
> On 11/3/2021 10:12 PM, Graham Parker wrote:
>> Has anyone replaced the little wheels on the Rhodes 22 traveller and, if so , where did they find those little white wheels? I am hoping to make it easier to move the traveller from side to side!
>> Cheers,
>> Graham Parker
>> sv 00Sailin
> 
> 
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From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Fri Nov  5 09:34:55 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 13:34:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
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Cant say never had factory traveler made mine its a little different


-----Original Message-----
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Fri, Nov 5, 2021 9:22 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller

May thanks to Roger, Mark, Charles and Mary Lou,
Sounds like washing the red line? and lubing the wheels will be my first option to try!
Mark, did the replacement wheels you found at Qcsupply? work and improve the running of the traveller?
G? 

> On Nov 5, 2021, at 07:13, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Mark,
> 
> If the attached image from QC Supply is what you are talking about; then, it?s the wrong sheave.? This was the only similar pulley sheave on their website.
> 
> AP 7/8? Nylon Pulley Sheave
> QC P/N: AP350030S? ? Mfg?s P/N: 35-0030S
> Cost: $0.61/each
> 
> [AP 7/8" Nylon Pulley Sheave]
> 
> The bore size on the hole on this pulley is 7/32? ID.? My Rhodes 22 is put away for the winter.? So, I can?t measure the bore size on the sheaves on my traveler car.? However, 7/32? ID would be an appropriate, slip fit, bore size for a 3/16? OD shaft.? That sounds like kind of a small shaft size for the sort of loads the Rhodes 22 traveler car carries.? However, it looks like you could drill it out to pretty much whatever you wanted, assuming you have a drill press.
> 
> However, there is a bigger issue.? The groove on this sheave was designed for 1/8? OD rope, not 1? OD tubing.? That?s a pretty big mismatch.? Unless you remachined the groove, I doubt this sheave would stay on the traveler bar under load.? It certainly wouldn?t roll freely under load.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Mark West via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 4:23 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
> 
> I found them at? Qcsupply.com 7/8 dia is what I used? .61 cents
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Thu, Nov 4, 2021 3:32 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
> 
> Graham,
> 
> I don?t think they sell just the ?little white wheels? that run on the 1? OD tubing; but, Rig-Rite, Inc will sell you an entire traveler car assembly:
> 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&reserved=0<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&reserved=0> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&reserved=0%3chttps://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340695565%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4Vk6ecR8Qb5LHUzm%2BtCx1ZLHqcNxAZzxWpgqpqEYr%2Fw%3D&reserved=0%3e >? ? ? (401) 739-1140? ? ? ? P/N: NF 529-1
> 
> The part number implies this is a Nicro-Fico traveler car.? But, I don?t find it for sale at any other Nicro-Fico vender?s website.
> Have you tried cleaning and lubricating your present traveler car?? My traveler car can be disassembled for cleaning.
> 
> Another tip that will make the traveler car run free is to wash the traveler control lines on warm permanent press cycle, with Ivory soap and Downey fabric softener, and then tumble dry.? The control lines should have a nice ?soft?, not stiff, feel to them.? The jam cleats will also bite into them more effectively and be less likely to slip.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c9997ae5f3440c27a6708d99fd10449%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637716542340705528%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=dHNTGdVqiGSxPaG50DEhwooSuryyR0YJa96ufrxP7sg%3D&reserved=0> for Windows
> 
> From: Mary Lou Troy<mailto:mtroy at atlanticbb.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 4, 2021 10:53 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
> 
> Don't know what's out there now but do a search for "replacement sheaves."
> 
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246? Tara
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
> On 11/3/2021 10:12 PM, Graham Parker wrote:
>> Has anyone replaced the little wheels on the Rhodes 22 traveller and, if so , where did they find those little white wheels? I am hoping to make it easier to move the traveller from side to side!
>> Cheers,
>> Graham Parker
>> sv 00Sailin
> 
> 
> --
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Nov  5 11:35:34 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2021 08:35:34 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Thread Police and Military Service
Message-ID: <E1mj1Fe-001IAa-IT@s152.servername.online>

Roger, 

There is invisible data within email messages.  I think it more likely that Pipermail is using this data, rather than creating it.  But it seems pretty clear that opening an old email and removing all its content will leave the hidden data unchanged.

So, if your intent is to start a new thread, it would be best to start by creating a completely new email.

--Peter


> On 2021-11-05, at 07:30:18 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Peter,
> 
> OK, a clunky work around is better than no work around at all.
> 
> The Oct 31st ?End Of Summer? post was created on my i-phone by deleting all the 
> Oct 23rd post content, changing the subject line, and then typing new content.  
> I thought I had deleted all the original content and didn?t discover I had not 
> deleted the attached picture until after I had sent the post.  Are you saying 
> Pipermail keyed off just the attached photo to determine where it was going to 
> file this new post even though it had a different subject line and 99+% new 
> content?  Good grief!  What are we dealing with here?  Is there some sort of 
> label in the background, not visible to the user; that, Pipermail assigns to a 
> completely new thread?  This invisible label then stays with that thread no 
> matter how it is modified? 
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Nov 12 16:27:52 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:27:52 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tap, Tap, Tap, ... Is This Thing Working?
Message-ID: <E1mle5Q-00DF8j-Hz@s152.servername.online>

Just checking.  It's been a week since the last post.

--Peter

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 16:31:16 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:31:16 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tap, Tap, Tap, ... Is This Thing Working?
In-Reply-To: <E1mle5Q-00DF8j-Hz@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mle5Q-00DF8j-Hz@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpby3tihpdegNtZvHMqYCK=AuS6bjYqWet42TuOdz5Abg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,

Message received.

Side note: my fall/winter boat projects are well underway.  I'll provide a
recap when I wrap up in a few months.

- Jesse

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 3:27 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Just checking.  It's been a week since the last post.
>
> --Peter
>

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Fri Nov 12 16:33:47 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 21:33:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tap, Tap, Tap, ... Is This Thing Working?
In-Reply-To: <E1mle5Q-00DF8j-Hz@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mle5Q-00DF8j-Hz@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <406946448.238536.1636752827727@mail.yahoo.com>

got ya? your not banned yet?

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Fri, Nov 12, 2021 4:27 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tap, Tap, Tap, ... Is This Thing Working?

Just checking.? It's been a week since the last post.

--Peter

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 17:04:19 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:04:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVr4_atmTDUScvwXa7fO3xHB_7XMohag4Z1yQ_Z-Z=oMg@mail.gmail.com>

Soon in two weeks I?ll start posting so there will be some more post for
Peter

Chris Geankoplis
S/V Enosis- Xenos
Gotta wait for the reason for the last minute  name change

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Nov 12 17:21:30 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 16:21:30 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tap, Tap, Tap, ... Is This Thing Working?
In-Reply-To: <406946448.238536.1636752827727@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <E1mle5Q-00DF8j-Hz@s152.servername.online>
 <406946448.238536.1636752827727@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY7km-=GVc+BSu0bN_6zUD9bgDcQumc3m=5EhuTUKON7GA@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like my hull is going to have to wait for March. Already buried deep
in the warehouse.
In the meantime id really like a freshwater writeup of a hull refinish for
her.
At least I'd like to go build a relationship with the local guy having some
fluency of what a durable finish is.  It's not a race boat, so I'd
appreciate something that only needed a few hundred in maintenance every
couple years...

Happy belated veterans day to anyone.
We saw our first flurries today,




On Fri, Nov 12, 2021, 3:33 PM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> got ya  your not banned yet
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Fri, Nov 12, 2021 4:27 pm
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tap, Tap, Tap, ... Is This Thing Working?
>
> Just checking.  It's been a week since the last post.
>
> --Peter
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri Nov 12 18:44:12 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:44:12 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tap, Tap, Tap, ... Is This Thing Working?
In-Reply-To: <E1mle5Q-00DF8j-Hz@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mle5Q-00DF8j-Hz@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CCECCAE5-726B-47AD-8F92-DE822DC0F244@verizon.net>

Had a beautiful sail 11/10 on the Northeast River, light wind but great temperatures.
Scott 86? Rhodes22 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Just checking.  It's been a week since the last post.
> 
> --Peter


From Joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Nov 12 15:42:47 2021
From: Joedempsey at hughes.net (Joedempsey at hughes.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:42:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
Message-ID: <089f01d7d820$1b031960$51094c20$@hughes.net>

Someone suggested we send a Rhodie Cap to Stan. It was already in the works,
but thought you'd like to see his special cover!

 

 

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From Joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Nov 12 18:52:09 2021
From: Joedempsey at hughes.net (Joedempsey at hughes.net)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:52:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
Message-ID: <08c601d7d820$5459e6d0$fd0db470$@hughes.net>

I have the new traveller system and it is very stiff to operate. It takes
two hands to operate. With all of the purchase advantage of the multiple
blocks, it should be a breeze.  Has anyone else had this problem with the
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 18:57:33 2021
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:57:33 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] traveller
In-Reply-To: <08c601d7d820$5459e6d0$fd0db470$@hughes.net>
References: <08c601d7d820$5459e6d0$fd0db470$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuNMS6QAtYQPy5Q78WEyp9jUCQdOna0jc0QCMzH1RUhn=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Joe:
Loosen it up by using the cam cleat on the line. Needs slack to move
easily. Don't ask me how I know.

Cheers
Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo




On Fri, Nov 12, 2021, 3:52 PM <Joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

> I have the new traveller system and it is very stiff to operate. It takes
> two hands to operate. With all of the purchase advantage of the multiple
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Nov 12 19:00:55 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 00:00:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
In-Reply-To: <089f01d7d820$1b031960$51094c20$@hughes.net>
References: <089f01d7d820$1b031960$51094c20$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB6985C77419197C92E78BAF6EC1969@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Joe,
Very nice!  Thanks for doing this. - rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Joedempsey at hughes.net <Joedempsey at hughes.net>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 3:42 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan

Someone suggested we send a Rhodie Cap to Stan. It was already in the works,
but thought you'd like to see his special cover!





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From rodellner at mac.com  Fri Nov 12 19:10:28 2021
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:10:28 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB6985C77419197C92E78BAF6EC1969@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR05MB6985C77419197C92E78BAF6EC1969@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <F355C139-6E96-4711-AA0D-46DC53DFDB54@mac.com>

Perfecto!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
> 
> ?Joe,
> Very nice!  Thanks for doing this. - rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Joedempsey at hughes.net <Joedempsey at hughes.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 3:42 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
> 
> Someone suggested we send a Rhodie Cap to Stan. It was already in the works,
> but thought you'd like to see his special cover!
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri Nov 12 20:44:42 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 20:44:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
In-Reply-To: <F355C139-6E96-4711-AA0D-46DC53DFDB54@mac.com>
References: <F355C139-6E96-4711-AA0D-46DC53DFDB54@mac.com>
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Very nice 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2021, at 7:10 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Perfecto!!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 5:01 PM, Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Joe,
>> Very nice!  Thanks for doing this. - rob
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Joedempsey at hughes.net <Joedempsey at hughes.net>
>> Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 3:42 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
>> 
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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 21:01:08 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 21:01:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
In-Reply-To: <089f01d7d820$1b031960$51094c20$@hughes.net>
References: <089f01d7d820$1b031960$51094c20$@hughes.net>
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Admiral of the Fleet, indeed!  Well done.


> On Nov 12, 2021, at 3:42 PM, Joedempsey at hughes.net wrote:
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 21:05:41 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 21:05:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
In-Reply-To: <3AE858FE-672B-42F1-B92C-BF978642522D@gmail.com>
References: <089f01d7d820$1b031960$51094c20$@hughes.net>
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Such a great idea.

On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 9:01 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Admiral of the Fleet, indeed!  Well done.
>
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> > On Nov 12, 2021, at 3:42 PM, Joedempsey at hughes.net wrote:
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Fri Nov 12 21:13:27 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 21:13:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
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Absolutely outstanding job Joe.
Way to make us proud.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 6:50 PM <Joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Sat Nov 13 08:03:19 2021
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 08:03:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
In-Reply-To: <089f01d7d820$1b031960$51094c20$@hughes.net>
References: <089f01d7d820$1b031960$51094c20$@hughes.net>
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Brilliant!

Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
Cell: 410-499-8922


On Fri, Nov 12, 2021 at 6:50 PM <Joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

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From john.m.fowlkes at gmail.com  Sat Nov 13 14:24:26 2021
From: john.m.fowlkes at gmail.com (John Fowlkes)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 14:24:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tap, Tap, Tap, ... Is This Thing Working?
In-Reply-To: <CCECCAE5-726B-47AD-8F92-DE822DC0F244@verizon.net>
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Could I be taken off this mailing list please?  I can?t find a way to remove myself.  I joined because I was considering a Rhodes 22 but decided not to pursue that.  

Thanks, 

John


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2021, at 6:44 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Had a beautiful sail 11/10 on the Northeast River, light wind but great temperatures.
> Scott 86? Rhodes22 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Just checking.  It's been a week since the last post.
>> 
>> --Peter
> 

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sat Nov 13 15:03:44 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner)
Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 15:03:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tap, Tap, Tap, ... Is Thi
In-Reply-To: <81524181-638C-4CD3-9171-CE1C8D565355@gmail.com>
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Check your email for confirmation of removal.Mikes/v Wind Lass ('91)Nissequogue River, NY?
-------- Original message --------From: John Fowlkes <john.m.fowlkes at gmail.com> Date: 11/13/21  2:24 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net>, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tap, Tap, Tap, ... Is Thi Could I be taken off this mailing list please?? I can?t find a way to remove myself.? I joined because I was considering a Rhodes 22 but decided not to pursue that.? Thanks, JohnSent from my iPhone> On Nov 12, 2021, at 6:44 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> > ?Had a beautiful sail 11/10 on the Northeast River, light wind but great temperatures.> Scott 86? Rhodes22 > > Sent from my iPhone> >> On Nov 12, 2021, at 4:27 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:>> >> ?Just checking.? It's been a week since the last post.>> >> --Peter> 

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun Nov 14 07:31:09 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:31:09 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
In-Reply-To: <089f01d7d820$1b031960$51094c20$@hughes.net>
References: <089f01d7d820$1b031960$51094c20$@hughes.net>
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Nicely done!  Do you need any reimbursement from the list?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Joedempsey at hughes.net<mailto:Joedempsey at hughes.net>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2021 6:50 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan

Someone suggested we send a Rhodie Cap to Stan. It was already in the works,
but thought you'd like to see his special cover!





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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Nov 15 16:58:53 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:58:53 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Learning New Things - Types of Line (Rope)
Message-ID: <E1mmk05-00GC3q-MT@s152.servername.online>

I'm not sure of the source, but somewhere I developed the firm opinion that only 3-strand line should be used for anchor rodes and dock lines.  Other types of lines, specifically double-braid, did not have enough stretch or elasticity for these applications.

In reading posts on another forum (sorry), and doing a bit of research, I find that this firmly held opinion is quite incorrect.

It seems there are double braided lines made specifically for anchor rodes and dock lines.  There is also something sort of in between double-braided and 3-strand, called 8-plait, of which I was entirely unaware.

One of the reasons this new information caught my attention is that both double-braid and 8-plaint are much more flexible than 3 strand, and will fall into an anchor rode locker (or bag) more easily.  

One of the short comings of my anchoring system, in which anchor rode is stored in bags in the aft corners of the lazaret, is that feeding the 3-strand rode down into the bags can sometimes be a somewhat fiddly process.  A more flexible type of line would almost certainly improve things.

For those unfamiliar with and curious about my anchor system, relevant YouTube videos can be found here: https://youtu.be/GheL7_fhpGo  and here: https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 17:19:55 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 16:19:55 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Learning New Things - Types of Line (Rope)
In-Reply-To: <E1mmk05-00GC3q-MT@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mmk05-00GC3q-MT@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fotygNoQ+VpHvb8+Bxk7gqB_gz2xHB7J4rez89=N=JdjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Peter, thanks for sharing.  I had not heard of 8-plait.   Last fall I
loosely copied your system to have an anchor rode stored in the lazarette
that connects to an anchor on a bow roller.  However, I only did this on
the port side and my rode storage is a bit different.  Anyway, I also found
it to be a bit of a challenge to get the rode to feed into the bag easily.
At the end of the season, I got a large snatch block which I can hang from
the sturn pulpit (attached by a line), which I plan to use as a fairlead to
make the rode feed in more vertically which I think will make it easier.  I
haven't tried it yet so we'll have to see how that works out next season.

On the topic of anchoring, I've got a Fortress anchor mounted inside the
lazarette for storage as a secondary anchor and a rode in a bucket that I
can carry forward.  I'm thinking about removing the Nicro fan from the
forepeak and moving that to be on the port side of the mast, opposite the
hatch that I installed on the starboard side, and then using the anchor
tray to store the rode that had been in the bucket in the lazarette.

Continuing (still!) on the topic of anchoring, I wanted to have a stern
anchor mounted and ready to deploy with a rode already attached.  As part
of my fall projects, I used a PVC pipe mounted vertically, resting on the
port side coaming near the stern and attached to the stern pulpit.  Inside
that I store a folding grapnel anchor with rode that is attached to the eye
on the port side of the transom.  The rode is looped and hung on the stern
pulpit.  I know the grapnel anchor doesn't offer significant holding power,
but I figured it could be deployed in a hurry to slow the boat down in an
emergency and could also be utilized as a lunch hook.  While it's attached
at the stern, I could walk it forward and tie it off on the bow cleat.
I'll have to wait until next season to see how all this actually works in
practice.  When I write up a recap of my fall projects, I'll include some
photos of the new setup.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:58 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure of the source, but somewhere I developed the firm opinion
> that only 3-strand line should be used for anchor rodes and dock lines.
> Other types of lines, specifically double-braid, did not have enough
> stretch or elasticity for these applications.
>
> In reading posts on another forum (sorry), and doing a bit of research, I
> find that this firmly held opinion is quite incorrect.
>
> It seems there are double braided lines made specifically for anchor rodes
> and dock lines.  There is also something sort of in between double-braided
> and 3-strand, called 8-plait, of which I was entirely unaware.
>
> One of the reasons this new information caught my attention is that both
> double-braid and 8-plaint are much more flexible than 3 strand, and will
> fall into an anchor rode locker (or bag) more easily.
>
> One of the short comings of my anchoring system, in which anchor rode is
> stored in bags in the aft corners of the lazaret, is that feeding the
> 3-strand rode down into the bags can sometimes be a somewhat fiddly
> process.  A more flexible type of line would almost certainly improve
> things.
>
> For those unfamiliar with and curious about my anchor system, relevant
> YouTube videos can be found here: https://youtu.be/GheL7_fhpGo  and here:
> https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 17:36:46 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 17:36:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Learning New Things - Types of Line (Rope)
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fotygNoQ+VpHvb8+Bxk7gqB_gz2xHB7J4rez89=N=JdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fotygNoQ+VpHvb8+Bxk7gqB_gz2xHB7J4rez89=N=JdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F49DF57E-19DE-4524-9E1A-5A9FA3BBB409@gmail.com>

I find three-strand line pretty easy to splice. I have no idea how to do that with double-braid or eight-plait. That?s not to say it?s not better ? it just may be a limitation in my skill set. 

Frank 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 5:20 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Peter, thanks for sharing.  I had not heard of 8-plait.   Last fall I
> loosely copied your system to have an anchor rode stored in the lazarette
> that connects to an anchor on a bow roller.  However, I only did this on
> the port side and my rode storage is a bit different.  Anyway, I also found
> it to be a bit of a challenge to get the rode to feed into the bag easily.
> At the end of the season, I got a large snatch block which I can hang from
> the sturn pulpit (attached by a line), which I plan to use as a fairlead to
> make the rode feed in more vertically which I think will make it easier.  I
> haven't tried it yet so we'll have to see how that works out next season.
> 
> On the topic of anchoring, I've got a Fortress anchor mounted inside the
> lazarette for storage as a secondary anchor and a rode in a bucket that I
> can carry forward.  I'm thinking about removing the Nicro fan from the
> forepeak and moving that to be on the port side of the mast, opposite the
> hatch that I installed on the starboard side, and then using the anchor
> tray to store the rode that had been in the bucket in the lazarette.
> 
> Continuing (still!) on the topic of anchoring, I wanted to have a stern
> anchor mounted and ready to deploy with a rode already attached.  As part
> of my fall projects, I used a PVC pipe mounted vertically, resting on the
> port side coaming near the stern and attached to the stern pulpit.  Inside
> that I store a folding grapnel anchor with rode that is attached to the eye
> on the port side of the transom.  The rode is looped and hung on the stern
> pulpit.  I know the grapnel anchor doesn't offer significant holding power,
> but I figured it could be deployed in a hurry to slow the boat down in an
> emergency and could also be utilized as a lunch hook.  While it's attached
> at the stern, I could walk it forward and tie it off on the bow cleat.
> I'll have to wait until next season to see how all this actually works in
> practice.  When I write up a recap of my fall projects, I'll include some
> photos of the new setup.
> 
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:58 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure of the source, but somewhere I developed the firm opinion
>> that only 3-strand line should be used for anchor rodes and dock lines.
>> Other types of lines, specifically double-braid, did not have enough
>> stretch or elasticity for these applications.
>> 
>> In reading posts on another forum (sorry), and doing a bit of research, I
>> find that this firmly held opinion is quite incorrect.
>> 
>> It seems there are double braided lines made specifically for anchor rodes
>> and dock lines.  There is also something sort of in between double-braided
>> and 3-strand, called 8-plait, of which I was entirely unaware.
>> 
>> One of the reasons this new information caught my attention is that both
>> double-braid and 8-plaint are much more flexible than 3 strand, and will
>> fall into an anchor rode locker (or bag) more easily.
>> 
>> One of the short comings of my anchoring system, in which anchor rode is
>> stored in bags in the aft corners of the lazaret, is that feeding the
>> 3-strand rode down into the bags can sometimes be a somewhat fiddly
>> process.  A more flexible type of line would almost certainly improve
>> things.
>> 
>> For those unfamiliar with and curious about my anchor system, relevant
>> YouTube videos can be found here: https://youtu.be/GheL7_fhpGo  and here:
>> https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>> 

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 17:49:43 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 16:49:43 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Learning New Things - Types of Line (Rope)
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fotygNoQ+VpHvb8+Bxk7gqB_gz2xHB7J4rez89=N=JdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1mmk05-00GC3q-MT@s152.servername.online>
 <CAMc-3fotygNoQ+VpHvb8+Bxk7gqB_gz2xHB7J4rez89=N=JdjQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fobtGH-23uv8Cw=R36yjn57eCCuaSyyzctj0dHZDSh4CQ@mail.gmail.com>

* correction - my stern anchor is on the starboard side so it's on the
opposite side of the motor

On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 4:19 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter, thanks for sharing.  I had not heard of 8-plait.   Last fall I
> loosely copied your system to have an anchor rode stored in the lazarette
> that connects to an anchor on a bow roller.  However, I only did this on
> the port side and my rode storage is a bit different.  Anyway, I also found
> it to be a bit of a challenge to get the rode to feed into the bag easily.
> At the end of the season, I got a large snatch block which I can hang from
> the sturn pulpit (attached by a line), which I plan to use as a fairlead to
> make the rode feed in more vertically which I think will make it easier.  I
> haven't tried it yet so we'll have to see how that works out next season.
>
> On the topic of anchoring, I've got a Fortress anchor mounted inside the
> lazarette for storage as a secondary anchor and a rode in a bucket that I
> can carry forward.  I'm thinking about removing the Nicro fan from the
> forepeak and moving that to be on the port side of the mast, opposite the
> hatch that I installed on the starboard side, and then using the anchor
> tray to store the rode that had been in the bucket in the lazarette.
>
> Continuing (still!) on the topic of anchoring, I wanted to have a stern
> anchor mounted and ready to deploy with a rode already attached.  As part
> of my fall projects, I used a PVC pipe mounted vertically, resting on the
> port side coaming near the stern and attached to the stern pulpit.  Inside
> that I store a folding grapnel anchor with rode that is attached to the eye
> on the port side of the transom.  The rode is looped and hung on the stern
> pulpit.  I know the grapnel anchor doesn't offer significant holding power,
> but I figured it could be deployed in a hurry to slow the boat down in an
> emergency and could also be utilized as a lunch hook.  While it's attached
> at the stern, I could walk it forward and tie it off on the bow cleat.
> I'll have to wait until next season to see how all this actually works in
> practice.  When I write up a recap of my fall projects, I'll include some
> photos of the new setup.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 3:58 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure of the source, but somewhere I developed the firm opinion
>> that only 3-strand line should be used for anchor rodes and dock lines.
>> Other types of lines, specifically double-braid, did not have enough
>> stretch or elasticity for these applications.
>>
>> In reading posts on another forum (sorry), and doing a bit of research, I
>> find that this firmly held opinion is quite incorrect.
>>
>> It seems there are double braided lines made specifically for anchor
>> rodes and dock lines.  There is also something sort of in between
>> double-braided and 3-strand, called 8-plait, of which I was entirely
>> unaware.
>>
>> One of the reasons this new information caught my attention is that both
>> double-braid and 8-plaint are much more flexible than 3 strand, and will
>> fall into an anchor rode locker (or bag) more easily.
>>
>> One of the short comings of my anchoring system, in which anchor rode is
>> stored in bags in the aft corners of the lazaret, is that feeding the
>> 3-strand rode down into the bags can sometimes be a somewhat fiddly
>> process.  A more flexible type of line would almost certainly improve
>> things.
>>
>> For those unfamiliar with and curious about my anchor system, relevant
>> YouTube videos can be found here: https://youtu.be/GheL7_fhpGo  and
>> here: https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4
>>
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>
>>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Mon Nov 15 21:38:34 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 21:38:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Learning New Things - Types of Line (Rope)
In-Reply-To: <E1mmk05-00GC3q-MT@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mmk05-00GC3q-MT@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <dfb77a58-6bbb-b88f-575f-b53d3998acec@atlanticbb.net>

We have an 8-plait rode on the Rosborough and absolutely love it as it 
is so easy on the hands (I'm the manual wind-lass on our boat) and 
because we have a rode locker on the Rossi, it is easily fitted down 
through the pipe into the locker. (Is it a hawse pipe if it goes through 
the deck rather than the bow?) I'm not sure about how it is spliced as 
we bought it already spiced around a metal eye from Defender. In any 
event it's great stuff.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246? Tara
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/15/2021 4:58 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote:
> I'm not sure of the source, but somewhere I developed the firm opinion that only 3-strand line should be used for anchor rodes and dock lines.  Other types of lines, specifically double-braid, did not have enough stretch or elasticity for these applications.
>
> In reading posts on another forum (sorry), and doing a bit of research, I find that this firmly held opinion is quite incorrect.
>
> It seems there are double braided lines made specifically for anchor rodes and dock lines.  There is also something sort of in between double-braided and 3-strand, called 8-plait, of which I was entirely unaware.
>
> One of the reasons this new information caught my attention is that both double-braid and 8-plaint are much more flexible than 3 strand, and will fall into an anchor rode locker (or bag) more easily.
>
> One of the short comings of my anchoring system, in which anchor rode is stored in bags in the aft corners of the lazaret, is that feeding the 3-strand rode down into the bags can sometimes be a somewhat fiddly process.  A more flexible type of line would almost certainly improve things.
>
> For those unfamiliar with and curious about my anchor system, relevant YouTube videos can be found here: https://youtu.be/GheL7_fhpGo  and here: https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>


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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 15 22:23:46 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 22:23:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Learning New Things - Types of Line (Rope)
In-Reply-To: <E1mmk05-00GC3q-MT@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mmk05-00GC3q-MT@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <E3720CAF-F659-4D41-BA2C-E9689A5C0E92@gmail.com>

I use 3-strand rodes which are flaked into 2-gallon paint buckets from HD stored in my lazarette. My main fluke anchor and chain is hung from the bow pulpit.  The spare anchor is stored in the lazarette. I have a climbers locking  caribiner on the end of each rode for quick connection to the anchor.  I cut an exit hole in each bucket for the bitter end bowline. This has worked quite well. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 15, 2021, at 4:58 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm not sure of the source, but somewhere I developed the firm opinion that only 3-strand line should be used for anchor rodes and dock lines.  Other types of lines, specifically double-braid, did not have enough stretch or elasticity for these applications.
> 
> In reading posts on another forum (sorry), and doing a bit of research, I find that this firmly held opinion is quite incorrect.
> 
> It seems there are double braided lines made specifically for anchor rodes and dock lines.  There is also something sort of in between double-braided and 3-strand, called 8-plait, of which I was entirely unaware.
> 
> One of the reasons this new information caught my attention is that both double-braid and 8-plaint are much more flexible than 3 strand, and will fall into an anchor rode locker (or bag) more easily.  
> 
> One of the short comings of my anchoring system, in which anchor rode is stored in bags in the aft corners of the lazaret, is that feeding the 3-strand rode down into the bags can sometimes be a somewhat fiddly process.  A more flexible type of line would almost certainly improve things.
> 
> For those unfamiliar with and curious about my anchor system, relevant YouTube videos can be found here: https://youtu.be/GheL7_fhpGo  and here: https://youtu.be/VeL_3Ir0yQ4
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 19:34:49 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 18:34:49 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 posting on sailboatlistings.com
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fq7Xj+gm4pq_7j1OVD1ns5rYPzb4Pd9_GChULScA9LG6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Happened to see this and passing it along in case there are prospective R22
owners on the list:
https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/93782

From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 16 22:05:14 2021
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 22:05:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 posting on sailboatlistings.com
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fq7Xj+gm4pq_7j1OVD1ns5rYPzb4Pd9_GChULScA9LG6Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fq7Xj+gm4pq_7j1OVD1ns5rYPzb4Pd9_GChULScA9LG6Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPD+wLFPT6yKWuFVcmPA-CAj4fyfjRMg23kuPUq60m3yrVbtrA@mail.gmail.com>

Here is another Rhodes in northern SC. Aria used to be owned by Keith
Bracknell from this group I think. From my research this Facebook boat was
auctioned in March 2020. Unfortunately the sum of parts might be greater
than the whole. The damage would concern me.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/128700986047964/


On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 19:35 Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Happened to see this and passing it along in case there are prospective R22
> owners on the list:
> https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/93782
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Nov 17 18:19:41 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 23:19:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB692092CDEC3657EBBB5C791C809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi All,

My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19 infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.  But, I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird reactions to the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn?t cold, just shaking from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to shoot up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff, and blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.  Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.  The nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.  But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.

Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked like it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right knee area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.  With great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All were very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I?m doing well.  I have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I?m getting around pretty well in my walker and I?ve figured out how to get in and out of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don?t think I?ll be able to use our Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the doors are not as wide.  Obviously, I won?t be able to drive for several weeks.

I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I can keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But lifting the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have a hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD machine to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and pain.

So far, it?s no fun; but, about what I expected.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows




From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Nov 17 21:04:53 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 18:04:53 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
Message-ID: <E1mnWnF-00AB7R-Is@s152.servername.online>

Roger,

Happy to hear that things are going as expected, however difficult that may be.  From this point, as the saying goes, the only way out is through.  There's a lot of time before sailing season for recovery.

--Peter

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed Nov 17 21:08:35 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 20:08:35 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920D39F385970247FF741D3809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920ED72A23F38DBE3C88029809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB692092CDEC3657EBBB5C791C809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920D39F385970247FF741D3809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3frL8o+xxbSnQZF28N4msLaC0WidO9o2yTr6nVRfwaGLzw@mail.gmail.com>

Roger, hope you have a smooth recovery so you can be ready for more
adventures in the spring!

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Wed, Nov 17, 2021 at 5:19 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
> after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
> infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.
> But, I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird
> reactions to the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started
> uncontrollably shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn?t
> cold, just shaking from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make
> it stop.  Monday night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and
> blood oxygen to shoot up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an
> EKG, auto BP cuff, and blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in
> constant attendance.  Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac
> issues stabilized.  The nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working
> for a couple of days.  But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
>
> Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
> morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked like
> it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right
> knee area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.
> With great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend
> to about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions
> in the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All
> were very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I?m doing well.
> I have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I?m getting
> around pretty well in my walker and I?ve figured out how to get in and out
> of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don?t think I?ll be able to use our
> Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the doors
> are not as wide.  Obviously, I won?t be able to drive for several weeks.
>
> I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I can
> keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But
> lifting the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I
> have a hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD
> machine to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling
> and pain.
>
> So far, it?s no fun; but, about what I expected.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
>
>
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Nov 17 21:37:37 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:37:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920D39F385970247FF741D3809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920ED72A23F38DBE3C88029809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB692092CDEC3657EBBB5C791C809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920D39F385970247FF741D3809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <003501d7dc25$41705320$c450f960$@ca>

Roger:

Presumably this rules out pole vaulting for a while. Hopefully not for very
long.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:20 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital

Hi All,

My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.  But,
I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird reactions to
the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably
shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn't cold, just shaking
from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday
night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to shoot
up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff, and
blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.
Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.  The
nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.
But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.

Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked like
it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right knee
area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.  With
great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to
about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in
the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All were
very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I'm doing well.  I
have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I'm getting
around pretty well in my walker and I've figured out how to get in and out
of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don't think I'll be able to use our
Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the doors
are not as wide.  Obviously, I won't be able to drive for several weeks.

I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I can
keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But lifting
the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have a
hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD machine
to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and pain.

So far, it's no fun; but, about what I expected.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows




From tvpolise at aol.com  Wed Nov 17 22:37:17 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 22:37:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920D39F385970247FF741D3809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920D39F385970247FF741D3809A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <D5071A9F-4FCC-4044-A00C-8B174269F917@aol.com>

Roger, I had knee replacement several years ago and understand what you are going through.  Stay the course and don?t give up on what will be long and painful PT.  The time you put into PT will determine how well you recover.   If you have any questions please ask me.  Good luck. 

> On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:19 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi All,
> 
> My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19 infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.  But, I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird reactions to the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn?t cold, just shaking from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to shoot up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff, and blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.  Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.  The nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.  But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
> 
> Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked like it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right knee area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.  With great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All were very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I?m doing well.  I have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I?m getting around pretty well in my walker and I?ve figured out how to get in and out of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don?t think I?ll be able to use our Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the doors are not as wide.  Obviously, I won?t be able to drive for several weeks.
> 
> I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I can keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But lifting the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have a hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD machine to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and pain.
> 
> So far, it?s no fun; but, about what I expected.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> 
> 


From luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 07:51:39 2021
From: luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com (Luis Guzman)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 07:51:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Roger,

Stick to your PT, you will glad you did.

I had 2 hips resurfaced, 2006 and 2010, and I?m able to run jump and do a lot of things that I thought I was not going to be able to do after surgery.

You will be like new in no time

Luis A. Guzm?n S/V Aquetxali

> On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:19 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19 infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.  But, I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird reactions to the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn?t cold, just shaking from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to shoot up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff, and blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.  Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.  The nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.  But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
> 
> Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked like it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right knee area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.  With great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All were very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I?m doing well.  I have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I?m getting around pretty well in my walker and I?ve figured out how to get in and out of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don?t think I?ll be able to use our Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the doors are not as wide.  Obviously, I won?t be able to drive for several weeks.
> 
> I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I can keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But lifting the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have a hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD machine to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and pain.
> 
> So far, it?s no fun; but, about what I expected.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> 
> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 09:46:31 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 08:46:31 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
In-Reply-To: <2A3F00C1-9106-4E3C-9010-F57083C79853@gmail.com>
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Glad you are doing well and on the Rhode to recovery.
Chris G
Xenos/Enosis

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021 at 6:51 AM Luis Guzman <luis.guzman.ve at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Roger,
>
> Stick to your PT, you will glad you did.
>
> I had 2 hips resurfaced, 2006 and 2010, and I?m able to run jump and do a
> lot of things that I thought I was not going to be able to do after surgery.
>
> You will be like new in no time
>
> Luis A. Guzm?n S/V Aquetxali
>
> > On Nov 17, 2021, at 6:19 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
> after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
> infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.
> But, I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird
> reactions to the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started
> uncontrollably shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn?t
> cold, just shaking from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make
> it stop.  Monday night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and
> blood oxygen to shoot up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an
> EKG, auto BP cuff, and blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in
> constant attendance.  Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac
> issues stabilized.  The nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working
> for a couple of days.  But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
> >
> > Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
> morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked like
> it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right
> knee area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.
> With great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend
> to about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions
> in the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All
> were very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I?m doing well.
> I have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I?m getting
> around pretty well in my walker and I?ve figured out how to get in and out
> of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don?t think I?ll be able to use our
> Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the doors
> are not as wide.  Obviously, I won?t be able to drive for several weeks.
> >
> > I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I
> can keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But
> lifting the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I
> have a hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD
> machine to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling
> and pain.
> >
> > So far, it?s no fun; but, about what I expected.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Nov 18 10:36:42 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:36:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Roger,

The arrythmia issues following surgery are not too uncommon as the
anesthesia and nerve blocks sometimes play havoc with cardiac rhythms. The
problem is one of getting the systems back to steady state conditions after
perturbance.

I'm glad that you are on the mend. Take the pain meds that will continue to
slow your bowel functions, so that you may fully participate in the physical
therapy. PT activity is the single most important predictor of future
outcomes.

Be well and stay safe.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:20 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital

Hi All,

My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.  But,
I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird reactions to
the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably
shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn't cold, just shaking
from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday
night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to shoot
up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff, and
blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.
Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.  The
nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.
But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.

Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked like
it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right knee
area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.  With
great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to
about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in
the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All were
very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I'm doing well.  I
have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I'm getting
around pretty well in my walker and I've figured out how to get in and out
of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don't think I'll be able to use our
Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the doors
are not as wide.  Obviously, I won't be able to drive for several weeks.

I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I can
keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But lifting
the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have a
hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD machine
to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and pain.

So far, it's no fun; but, about what I expected.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows




From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Thu Nov 18 10:57:11 2021
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:57:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
In-Reply-To: <013e01d7dc92$16e87cf0$44b976d0$@ebsmed.com>
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Message-ID: <945D65A9-A154-4C62-89E7-899EDF89AFC3@stottarchitecture.com>

Roger - Thanks for sharing your personal story. 
I had both hips replaced 13 years ago.
I suffered many of the same symptoms.
I?m always amazed at medical science and would not be around without it. 
Stick with the PT and take your pain meds to get through it, especially early on.
Don?t listen too hard to the oxycodone critics - you will come off the pain meds just fine when you?re ready - when your pain is manageable. 
I don?t think Stan has any replacement parts on/in his body.

Ric 
Dadventure 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Roger,
> 
> The arrythmia issues following surgery are not too uncommon as the
> anesthesia and nerve blocks sometimes play havoc with cardiac rhythms. The
> problem is one of getting the systems back to steady state conditions after
> perturbance.
> 
> I'm glad that you are on the mend. Take the pain meds that will continue to
> slow your bowel functions, so that you may fully participate in the physical
> therapy. PT activity is the single most important predictor of future
> outcomes.
> 
> Be well and stay safe.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
> PIHLAJA
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:20 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
> after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
> infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.  But,
> I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird reactions to
> the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably
> shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn't cold, just shaking
> from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday
> night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to shoot
> up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff, and
> blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.
> Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.  The
> nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.
> But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
> 
> Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
> morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked like
> it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right knee
> area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.  With
> great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to
> about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in
> the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All were
> very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I'm doing well.  I
> have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I'm getting
> around pretty well in my walker and I've figured out how to get in and out
> of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don't think I'll be able to use our
> Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the doors
> are not as wide.  Obviously, I won't be able to drive for several weeks.
> 
> I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I can
> keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But lifting
> the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have a
> hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD machine
> to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and pain.
> 
> So far, it's no fun; but, about what I expected.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> 
> 


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 18 12:18:29 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 12:18:29 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
In-Reply-To: <945D65A9-A154-4C62-89E7-899EDF89AFC3@stottarchitecture.com>
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GOOD NEWS Roger!

You'll be snowshoeing in the mountains this Winter for sure!

Get well soon.


Todd T.

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, 10:57 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> Roger - Thanks for sharing your personal story.
> I had both hips replaced 13 years ago.
> I suffered many of the same symptoms.
> I?m always amazed at medical science and would not be around without it.
> Stick with the PT and take your pain meds to get through it, especially
> early on.
> Don?t listen too hard to the oxycodone critics - you will come off the
> pain meds just fine when you?re ready - when your pain is manageable.
> I don?t think Stan has any replacement parts on/in his body.
>
> Ric
> Dadventure
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Roger,
> >
> > The arrythmia issues following surgery are not too uncommon as the
> > anesthesia and nerve blocks sometimes play havoc with cardiac rhythms.
> The
> > problem is one of getting the systems back to steady state conditions
> after
> > perturbance.
> >
> > I'm glad that you are on the mend. Take the pain meds that will continue
> to
> > slow your bowel functions, so that you may fully participate in the
> physical
> > therapy. PT activity is the single most important predictor of future
> > outcomes.
> >
> > Be well and stay safe.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> ROGER
> > PIHLAJA
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:20 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
> > after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
> > infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.
> But,
> > I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird
> reactions to
> > the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably
> > shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn't cold, just
> shaking
> > from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday
> > night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to
> shoot
> > up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff,
> and
> > blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.
> > Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.
> The
> > nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.
> > But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
> >
> > Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
> > morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked
> like
> > it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right
> knee
> > area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.
> With
> > great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to
> > about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in
> > the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All
> were
> > very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I'm doing well.  I
> > have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I'm getting
> > around pretty well in my walker and I've figured out how to get in and
> out
> > of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don't think I'll be able to use our
> > Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the
> doors
> > are not as wide.  Obviously, I won't be able to drive for several weeks.
> >
> > I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I
> can
> > keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But
> lifting
> > the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have
> a
> > hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD
> machine
> > to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and
> pain.
> >
> > So far, it's no fun; but, about what I expected.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Nov 18 15:18:07 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 20:18:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Hi Todd,

Do they make snowshoes for walkers?  Maybe alpine skiing in the winter of 2022/23?  Seriously, my oldest granddaughter, Kaylee, got a downhill ski package for her 7th birthday on Nov 11th.  She was visiting for her birthday and I showed her my skis and boots after she opened her present.  I promised her I?d take her skiing at Cascade Mountain, near her house in Wisconsin next winter.  Her dad, Gary, and I have skied there many times.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

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> On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?GOOD NEWS Roger!
> 
> You'll be snowshoeing in the mountains this Winter for sure!
> 
> Get well soon.
> 
> 
> Todd T.
> 
>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, 10:57 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Roger - Thanks for sharing your personal story.
>> I had both hips replaced 13 years ago.
>> I suffered many of the same symptoms.
>> I?m always amazed at medical science and would not be around without it.
>> Stick with the PT and take your pain meds to get through it, especially
>> early on.
>> Don?t listen too hard to the oxycodone critics - you will come off the
>> pain meds just fine when you?re ready - when your pain is manageable.
>> I don?t think Stan has any replacement parts on/in his body.
>> 
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Roger,
>>> 
>>> The arrythmia issues following surgery are not too uncommon as the
>>> anesthesia and nerve blocks sometimes play havoc with cardiac rhythms.
>> The
>>> problem is one of getting the systems back to steady state conditions
>> after
>>> perturbance.
>>> 
>>> I'm glad that you are on the mend. Take the pain meds that will continue
>> to
>>> slow your bowel functions, so that you may fully participate in the
>> physical
>>> therapy. PT activity is the single most important predictor of future
>>> outcomes.
>>> 
>>> Be well and stay safe.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> ROGER
>>> PIHLAJA
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:20 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
>>> after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
>>> infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.
>> But,
>>> I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird
>> reactions to
>>> the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably
>>> shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn't cold, just
>> shaking
>>> from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday
>>> night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to
>> shoot
>>> up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff,
>> and
>>> blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.
>>> Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.
>> The
>>> nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.
>>> But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
>>> 
>>> Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
>>> morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked
>> like
>>> it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right
>> knee
>>> area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.
>> With
>>> great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to
>>> about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in
>>> the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All
>> were
>>> very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I'm doing well.  I
>>> have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I'm getting
>>> around pretty well in my walker and I've figured out how to get in and
>> out
>>> of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don't think I'll be able to use our
>>> Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the
>> doors
>>> are not as wide.  Obviously, I won't be able to drive for several weeks.
>>> 
>>> I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I
>> can
>>> keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But
>> lifting
>>> the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have
>> a
>>> hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD
>> machine
>>> to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and
>> pain.
>>> 
>>> So far, it's no fun; but, about what I expected.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C91ce93e360d84d2d816908d9aab77896%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637728527268484103%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=lWq3FywVwk6XHj%2B%2FwCy3Fp1FV%2F9iPFKFTvf9yq%2BwI%2BY%3D&amp;reserved=0> for
>> Windows
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Nov 18 16:12:52 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 21:12:52 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Michael,

It?s easy to see why the anesthesiologist?s bill is often as high as the surgeon?s.  That?s some potent shit they give you when they put you under!  This was my 1st experience with a spinal nerve block.  I guess everything is relative and I have no idea what this procedure would have been like without the nerve block.  But, based on all the unpleasant, long lasting, side effects; I can?t say I?m a fan of nerve blocks.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

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> On Nov 18, 2021, at 3:18 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Todd,
> 
> Do they make snowshoes for walkers?  Maybe alpine skiing in the winter of 2022/23?  Seriously, my oldest granddaughter, Kaylee, got a downhill ski package for her 7th birthday on Nov 11th.  She was visiting for her birthday and I showed her my skis and boots after she opened her present.  I promised her I?d take her skiing at Cascade Mountain, near her house in Wisconsin next winter.  Her dad, Gary, and I have skied there many times.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?GOOD NEWS Roger!
>> 
>> You'll be snowshoeing in the mountains this Winter for sure!
>> 
>> Get well soon.
>> 
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, 10:57 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Roger - Thanks for sharing your personal story.
>>> I had both hips replaced 13 years ago.
>>> I suffered many of the same symptoms.
>>> I?m always amazed at medical science and would not be around without it.
>>> Stick with the PT and take your pain meds to get through it, especially
>>> early on.
>>> Don?t listen too hard to the oxycodone critics - you will come off the
>>> pain meds just fine when you?re ready - when your pain is manageable.
>>> I don?t think Stan has any replacement parts on/in his body.
>>> 
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>> 
>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>> O -631-283-1777
>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Roger,
>>>> 
>>>> The arrythmia issues following surgery are not too uncommon as the
>>>> anesthesia and nerve blocks sometimes play havoc with cardiac rhythms.
>>> The
>>>> problem is one of getting the systems back to steady state conditions
>>> after
>>>> perturbance.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm glad that you are on the mend. Take the pain meds that will continue
>>> to
>>>> slow your bowel functions, so that you may fully participate in the
>>> physical
>>>> therapy. PT activity is the single most important predictor of future
>>>> outcomes.
>>>> 
>>>> Be well and stay safe.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> ROGER
>>>> PIHLAJA
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:20 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
>>>> after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
>>>> infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.
>>> But,
>>>> I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird
>>> reactions to
>>>> the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably
>>>> shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn't cold, just
>>> shaking
>>>> from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday
>>>> night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to
>>> shoot
>>>> up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff,
>>> and
>>>> blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.
>>>> Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.
>>> The
>>>> nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.
>>>> But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
>>>> 
>>>> Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
>>>> morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked
>>> like
>>>> it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right
>>> knee
>>>> area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.
>>> With
>>>> great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to
>>>> about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in
>>>> the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All
>>> were
>>>> very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I'm doing well.  I
>>>> have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I'm getting
>>>> around pretty well in my walker and I've figured out how to get in and
>>> out
>>>> of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don't think I'll be able to use our
>>>> Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the
>>> doors
>>>> are not as wide.  Obviously, I won't be able to drive for several weeks.
>>>> 
>>>> I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I
>>> can
>>>> keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But
>>> lifting
>>>> the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have
>>> a
>>>> hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD
>>> machine
>>>> to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and
>>> pain.
>>>> 
>>>> So far, it's no fun; but, about what I expected.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C91ce93e360d84d2d816908d9aab77896%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637728527268484103%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=lWq3FywVwk6XHj%2B%2FwCy3Fp1FV%2F9iPFKFTvf9yq%2BwI%2BY%3D&amp;reserved=0> for
>>> Windows
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 

From rodellner at mac.com  Thu Nov 18 20:39:26 2021
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:39:26 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
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Roger

That?s not so far from our old stomping grounds.  WHERE does she live?..

We?ve skied there many a time also? Mary and Rod

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Todd,
> 
> Do they make snowshoes for walkers?  Maybe alpine skiing in the winter of 2022/23?  Seriously, my oldest granddaughter, Kaylee, got a downhill ski package for her 7th birthday on Nov 11th.  She was visiting for her birthday and I showed her my skis and boots after she opened her present.  I promised her I?d take her skiing at Cascade Mountain, near her house in Wisconsin next winter.  Her dad, Gary, and I have skied there many times.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?GOOD NEWS Roger!
>> 
>> You'll be snowshoeing in the mountains this Winter for sure!
>> 
>> Get well soon.
>> 
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, 10:57 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Roger - Thanks for sharing your personal story.
>>> I had both hips replaced 13 years ago.
>>> I suffered many of the same symptoms.
>>> I?m always amazed at medical science and would not be around without it.
>>> Stick with the PT and take your pain meds to get through it, especially
>>> early on.
>>> Don?t listen too hard to the oxycodone critics - you will come off the
>>> pain meds just fine when you?re ready - when your pain is manageable.
>>> I don?t think Stan has any replacement parts on/in his body.
>>> 
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>> 
>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>> O -631-283-1777
>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Roger,
>>>> 
>>>> The arrythmia issues following surgery are not too uncommon as the
>>>> anesthesia and nerve blocks sometimes play havoc with cardiac rhythms.
>>> The
>>>> problem is one of getting the systems back to steady state conditions
>>> after
>>>> perturbance.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm glad that you are on the mend. Take the pain meds that will continue
>>> to
>>>> slow your bowel functions, so that you may fully participate in the
>>> physical
>>>> therapy. PT activity is the single most important predictor of future
>>>> outcomes.
>>>> 
>>>> Be well and stay safe.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> ROGER
>>>> PIHLAJA
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:20 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
>>>> after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
>>>> infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.
>>> But,
>>>> I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird
>>> reactions to
>>>> the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably
>>>> shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn't cold, just
>>> shaking
>>>> from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday
>>>> night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to
>>> shoot
>>>> up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff,
>>> and
>>>> blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.
>>>> Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.
>>> The
>>>> nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.
>>>> But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
>>>> 
>>>> Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
>>>> morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked
>>> like
>>>> it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right
>>> knee
>>>> area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.
>>> With
>>>> great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to
>>>> about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in
>>>> the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All
>>> were
>>>> very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I'm doing well.  I
>>>> have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I'm getting
>>>> around pretty well in my walker and I've figured out how to get in and
>>> out
>>>> of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don't think I'll be able to use our
>>>> Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the
>>> doors
>>>> are not as wide.  Obviously, I won't be able to drive for several weeks.
>>>> 
>>>> I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I
>>> can
>>>> keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But
>>> lifting
>>>> the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have
>>> a
>>>> hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD
>>> machine
>>>> to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and
>>> pain.
>>>> 
>>>> So far, it's no fun; but, about what I expected.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C91ce93e360d84d2d816908d9aab77896%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637728527268484103%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=lWq3FywVwk6XHj%2B%2FwCy3Fp1FV%2F9iPFKFTvf9yq%2BwI%2BY%3D&amp;reserved=0> for
>>> Windows
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Nov 18 20:48:44 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 01:48:44 +0000
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Wyocena, WI

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> On Nov 18, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger
> 
> That?s not so far from our old stomping grounds.  WHERE does she live?..
> 
> We?ve skied there many a time also? Mary and Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Todd,
>> 
>> Do they make snowshoes for walkers?  Maybe alpine skiing in the winter of 2022/23?  Seriously, my oldest granddaughter, Kaylee, got a downhill ski package for her 7th birthday on Nov 11th.  She was visiting for her birthday and I showed her my skis and boots after she opened her present.  I promised her I?d take her skiing at Cascade Mountain, near her house in Wisconsin next winter.  Her dad, Gary, and I have skied there many times.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?GOOD NEWS Roger!
>>> 
>>> You'll be snowshoeing in the mountains this Winter for sure!
>>> 
>>> Get well soon.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Todd T.
>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, 10:57 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Roger - Thanks for sharing your personal story.
>>>> I had both hips replaced 13 years ago.
>>>> I suffered many of the same symptoms.
>>>> I?m always amazed at medical science and would not be around without it.
>>>> Stick with the PT and take your pain meds to get through it, especially
>>>> early on.
>>>> Don?t listen too hard to the oxycodone critics - you will come off the
>>>> pain meds just fine when you?re ready - when your pain is manageable.
>>>> I don?t think Stan has any replacement parts on/in his body.
>>>> 
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>> 
>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The arrythmia issues following surgery are not too uncommon as the
>>>>> anesthesia and nerve blocks sometimes play havoc with cardiac rhythms.
>>>> The
>>>>> problem is one of getting the systems back to steady state conditions
>>>> after
>>>>> perturbance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm glad that you are on the mend. Take the pain meds that will continue
>>>> to
>>>>> slow your bowel functions, so that you may fully participate in the
>>>> physical
>>>>> therapy. PT activity is the single most important predictor of future
>>>>> outcomes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Be well and stay safe.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> ROGER
>>>>> PIHLAJA
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:20 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
>>>>> after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
>>>>> infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.
>>>> But,
>>>>> I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird
>>>> reactions to
>>>>> the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably
>>>>> shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn't cold, just
>>>> shaking
>>>>> from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday
>>>>> night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to
>>>> shoot
>>>>> up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff,
>>>> and
>>>>> blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.
>>>>> Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.
>>>> The
>>>>> nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.
>>>>> But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
>>>>> morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked
>>>> like
>>>>> it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right
>>>> knee
>>>>> area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.
>>>> With
>>>>> great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to
>>>>> about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in
>>>>> the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All
>>>> were
>>>>> very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I'm doing well.  I
>>>>> have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I'm getting
>>>>> around pretty well in my walker and I've figured out how to get in and
>>>> out
>>>>> of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don't think I'll be able to use our
>>>>> Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the
>>>> doors
>>>>> are not as wide.  Obviously, I won't be able to drive for several weeks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I
>>>> can
>>>>> keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But
>>>> lifting
>>>>> the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have
>>>> a
>>>>> hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD
>>>> machine
>>>>> to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and
>>>> pain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So far, it's no fun; but, about what I expected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfb0feef03a1246e3718208d9aafd6ed0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637728827752166180%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=HCSu1A%2FOrlXV6I3O135BiH2O1%2BU2%2BqCtjyrBVuoF3Fw%3D&amp;reserved=0> for
>>>> Windows
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 

From sea20 at verizon.net  Fri Nov 19 08:21:52 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 08:21:52 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
In-Reply-To: <B5E53FCC-8142-42DA-87E9-D00652BF5144@mac.com>
References: <B5E53FCC-8142-42DA-87E9-D00652BF5144@mac.com>
Message-ID: <28FE606B-B2F4-437C-BE93-B6AD4398D210@verizon.net>

Good luck with the recovery, I am at this moment waiting for a surgeon to look at my left knee. Fortunately anti inflammatory meds have worked so I won?t need surgery.
Scott

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 8:39 PM, Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger
> 
> That?s not so far from our old stomping grounds.  WHERE does she live?..
> 
> We?ve skied there many a time also? Mary and Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 1:18 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi Todd,
>> 
>> Do they make snowshoes for walkers?  Maybe alpine skiing in the winter of 2022/23?  Seriously, my oldest granddaughter, Kaylee, got a downhill ski package for her 7th birthday on Nov 11th.  She was visiting for her birthday and I showed her my skis and boots after she opened her present.  I promised her I?d take her skiing at Cascade Mountain, near her house in Wisconsin next winter.  Her dad, Gary, and I have skied there many times.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:18 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?GOOD NEWS Roger!
>>> 
>>> You'll be snowshoeing in the mountains this Winter for sure!
>>> 
>>> Get well soon.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Todd T.
>>> 
>>>>> On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, 10:57 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Roger - Thanks for sharing your personal story.
>>>> I had both hips replaced 13 years ago.
>>>> I suffered many of the same symptoms.
>>>> I?m always amazed at medical science and would not be around without it.
>>>> Stick with the PT and take your pain meds to get through it, especially
>>>> early on.
>>>> Don?t listen too hard to the oxycodone critics - you will come off the
>>>> pain meds just fine when you?re ready - when your pain is manageable.
>>>> I don?t think Stan has any replacement parts on/in his body.
>>>> 
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>> 
>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 18, 2021, at 10:36 AM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger,
>>>>> 
>>>>> The arrythmia issues following surgery are not too uncommon as the
>>>>> anesthesia and nerve blocks sometimes play havoc with cardiac rhythms.
>>>> The
>>>>> problem is one of getting the systems back to steady state conditions
>>>> after
>>>>> perturbance.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm glad that you are on the mend. Take the pain meds that will continue
>>>> to
>>>>> slow your bowel functions, so that you may fully participate in the
>>>> physical
>>>>> therapy. PT activity is the single most important predictor of future
>>>>> outcomes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Be well and stay safe.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> ROGER
>>>>> PIHLAJA
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 6:20 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My right knee replacement finally took place on Monday at Alma Hospital
>>>>> after being delayed 2 weeks because of overbooking due to COVID-19
>>>>> infections.  The procedure took about 1-1/2 hours on Monday afternoon.
>>>> But,
>>>>> I was in the recovery room for several hours.  I had some weird
>>>> reactions to
>>>>> the nerve block.  As I was coming out of it, I started uncontrollably
>>>>> shivering, bordering on convulsions at times.  I wasn't cold, just
>>>> shaking
>>>>> from head to toe.  It took 3 doses of IV Demerol to make it stop.  Monday
>>>>> night, the nerve block  caused my heart rate, BP, and blood oxygen to
>>>> shoot
>>>>> up and down all over the map.  I was hooked up to an EKG, auto BP cuff,
>>>> and
>>>>> blood oxygen monitor all night, with nurses in constant attendance.
>>>>> Fortunately, by Tuesday morning, they had my cardiac issues stabilized.
>>>> The
>>>>> nerve block also caused my bowels to stop working for a couple of days.
>>>>> But, I finally had a BM this afternoon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Dr. Ware, my orthopedist, stopped into my hospital room early Tuesday
>>>>> morning.  He said the procedure went well and that the incision looked
>>>> like
>>>>> it was healing nicely, with no leaking or signs of infection.  My right
>>>> knee
>>>>> area is swollen about 3 cm larger in circumference vs. the left knee.
>>>> With
>>>>> great difficulty and a lot of pain, I can get the knee joint to bend to
>>>>> about 80 deg and straighten out to about 170 deg.  I had 2 PT sessions in
>>>>> the hospital on Tuesday and another PT session in Beaverton today.  All
>>>> were
>>>>> very painful and exhausting!  But, the therapists say I'm doing well.  I
>>>>> have my next PT session in Beaverton on Thursday morning.  I'm getting
>>>>> around pretty well in my walker and I've figured out how to get in and
>>>> out
>>>>> of the Toyota minivan by myself.  I don't think I'll be able to use our
>>>>> Subaru Legacy sedan for a while because the car is much lower and the
>>>> doors
>>>>> are not as wide.  Obviously, I won't be able to drive for several weeks.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am on pain meds just prior to PT and to help me sleep.  As long as I
>>>> can
>>>>> keep the knee joint in a neutral position, the pain is not bad.  But
>>>> lifting
>>>>> the leg or loading it in any way is excruciating!  At the moment, I have
>>>> a
>>>>> hard time sitting in the car for over an hour.  I am using my COLD
>>>> machine
>>>>> to sleep and several hours each day.  It helps with the swelling and
>>>> pain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So far, it's no fun; but, about what I expected.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C91ce93e360d84d2d816908d9aab77896%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637728527268484103%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=lWq3FywVwk6XHj%2B%2FwCy3Fp1FV%2F9iPFKFTvf9yq%2BwI%2BY%3D&amp;reserved=0> for
>>>> Windows
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 


From Joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Nov 19 17:54:38 2021
From: Joedempsey at hughes.net (Joedempsey at hughes.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 17:54:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gift for Stan
Message-ID: <025601d7dd98$7c949a00$75bdce00$@hughes.net>

No! Rhodie's contributions to the List are plenty!


From Joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Nov 19 17:55:04 2021
From: Joedempsey at hughes.net (Joedempsey at hughes.net)
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2021 17:55:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm back from the hospital
Message-ID: <025b01d7dd98$7ef23910$7cd6ab30$@hughes.net>

Welcome back, Roger! Hope you have a Force 10 recovery!


From ajboyd03 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 10:37:04 2021
From: ajboyd03 at gmail.com (Austin Boyd)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:37:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
Message-ID: <CAGAquT2Sp1ouSMYvtmn+fD6y1XSy+nZ+EbevgPVvhFAhOjH_8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any other
Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.

Austin Boyd
Ridgefield, CT
S/V Acadia

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 10:48:30 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 10:48:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
In-Reply-To: <CAGAquT2Sp1ouSMYvtmn+fD6y1XSy+nZ+EbevgPVvhFAhOjH_8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAquT2Sp1ouSMYvtmn+fD6y1XSy+nZ+EbevgPVvhFAhOjH_8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Zyn5FUkW2YqW2viFhcXk246bRGMrKnmCy7b1QcBZ4Y1g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Austin,

I have an asymmetric spinnaker called a UPS by, I think, Doyle.  I also
have a 175% genny.

I only rarely use the UPS on a long down wind run wing-on-wing with the
genny.  Otherwise, the genny is all I need.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 10:37 AM Austin Boyd <ajboyd03 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any other
> Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.
>
> Austin Boyd
> Ridgefield, CT
> S/V Acadia
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Sat Nov 20 10:53:07 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 15:53:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36Zyn5FUkW2YqW2viFhcXk246bRGMrKnmCy7b1QcBZ4Y1g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB69855396A0AE8E586EA9A832C19D9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Rick,
How do you hoist the UPS? A spare halyard?  - Rob
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 10:48 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero

Hi Austin,

I have an asymmetric spinnaker called a UPS by, I think, Doyle.  I also
have a 175% genny.

I only rarely use the UPS on a long down wind run wing-on-wing with the
genny.  Otherwise, the genny is all I need.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 10:37 AM Austin Boyd <ajboyd03 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any other
> Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.
>
> Austin Boyd
> Ridgefield, CT
> S/V Acadia
>

From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sat Nov 20 11:08:11 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 11:08:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
In-Reply-To: <CAGAquT2Sp1ouSMYvtmn+fD6y1XSy+nZ+EbevgPVvhFAhOjH_8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAquT2Sp1ouSMYvtmn+fD6y1XSy+nZ+EbevgPVvhFAhOjH_8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b6eda79-5eaa-2368-3b05-9f15618654c9@atlanticbb.net>

There were several of us who did a group order in 2003 or 2004 for what 
Doyle called their UPS sail which was similar to a Code 0. It flies and 
furls on it's own luff with a mini-furler on the foredeck and on a spare 
or extra halyard. The sail was perfect downwind for those days when the 
air was so light the genoa would collapse on itself. It was also good up 
to 7 or 8 knots (if I recall correctly) at a beam reach and could be 
sailed above a beam reach in light air.

It was a bit of a hassle to rig but was great fun to sail.

The attached photos are our former boat flying the UPS.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/20/2021 10:37 AM, Austin Boyd wrote:
> Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any other
> Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.
>
> Austin Boyd
> Ridgefield, CT
> S/V Acadia


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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Nov 20 11:34:27 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 11:34:27 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
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Mary Lou: What 

Fabulous photo!  Makes me want to get a drone


Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 11:08 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero

There were several of us who did a group order in 2003 or 2004 for what 
Doyle called their UPS sail which was similar to a Code 0. It flies and 
furls on it's own luff with a mini-furler on the foredeck and on a spare 
or extra halyard. The sail was perfect downwind for those days when the 
air was so light the genoa would collapse on itself. It was also good up 
to 7 or 8 knots (if I recall correctly) at a beam reach and could be 
sailed above a beam reach in light air.

It was a bit of a hassle to rig but was great fun to sail.

The attached photos are our former boat flying the UPS.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/20/2021 10:37 AM, Austin Boyd wrote:
> Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any other
> Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.
>
> Austin Boyd
> Ridgefield, CT
> S/V Acadia


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From tvpolise at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 11:42:05 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 11:42:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
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Message-ID: <4588EEB6-762C-46CD-85CC-2617A8127314@aol.com>

I?m interested in this, can you provide a little more detail on how it was rigged, what typemodel of mini furler and how it was attached?

> On Nov 20, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> ?There were several of us who did a group order in 2003 or 2004 for what Doyle called their UPS sail which was similar to a Code 0. It flies and furls on it's own luff with a mini-furler on the foredeck and on a spare or extra halyard. The sail was perfect downwind for those days when the air was so light the genoa would collapse on itself. It was also good up to 7 or 8 knots (if I recall correctly) at a beam reach and could be sailed above a beam reach in light air.
> 
> It was a bit of a hassle to rig but was great fun to sail.
> 
> The attached photos are our former boat flying the UPS.
> 
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
>> On 11/20/2021 10:37 AM, Austin Boyd wrote:
>> Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any other
>> Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.
>> 
>> Austin Boyd
>> Ridgefield, CT
>> S/V Acadia
> 
> 
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 12:09:06 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:09:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB69855396A0AE8E586EA9A832C19D9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAGAquT2Sp1ouSMYvtmn+fD6y1XSy+nZ+EbevgPVvhFAhOjH_8Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Rob,

It has its own halyard with the block mounted on the forward round near the
top of the IMF mast.  A u-bolt on the deck is used to mount a furler with
the sheets running back to the aft cleats.  It is not physically taxing to
deploy, just a lot of fuss.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 10:53 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Rick,
> How do you hoist the UPS? A spare halyard?  - Rob
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 10:48 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
>
> Hi Austin,
>
> I have an asymmetric spinnaker called a UPS by, I think, Doyle.  I also
> have a 175% genny.
>
> I only rarely use the UPS on a long down wind run wing-on-wing with the
> genny.  Otherwise, the genny is all I need.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 10:37 AM Austin Boyd <ajboyd03 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any
> other
> > Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.
> >
> > Austin Boyd
> > Ridgefield, CT
> > S/V Acadia
> >
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Sat Nov 20 12:19:18 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:19:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Expired SSL license
Message-ID: <CABkv36Z098pbw5P=cPfkuY8kGF70Xy-Sfw17d=stvH0mWGRSHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,

The rhodes22.org website no longer supports https.

Regards,

Rick Lange

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Nov 20 14:16:46 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 19:16:46 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YX=POE0bjpUkwGKz4rY0yOwrEQ8XOZ8KcrRoCDg-Z1-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGAquT2Sp1ouSMYvtmn+fD6y1XSy+nZ+EbevgPVvhFAhOjH_8Q@mail.gmail.com>
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 <CABkv36YX=POE0bjpUkwGKz4rY0yOwrEQ8XOZ8KcrRoCDg-Z1-g@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Austin,

I have a triradial spinnaker and a cruising spinnaker.  The cruising spinnaker came with the boat when I bought S/V Dynamic Equilibrium back in 1987.  It looks very similar to Mary Lou?s; but, I don?t have any details on the shape or construction, other than it?s nylon.  I fly it from my spinnaker halyard.  There is a tack downhaul, that I have rigged back to the cockpit.  Finally, there is a wrap that goes around the furled genoa and attaches to the tack.  This helps keep the tack of the sail near the forestay and enables the tack downhaul to put tension on the luff.  In this configuration it?s a light air sail; but, almost as close winded as my 150% genoa.  Downwind, I loosen the tack downhaul and slide the wrap up the forestay to belly the sail out.  Then, I use my whisker pole to take the weight of the sail and the sheets off the clew.  My whisker pole has a topping lift to support this weight.  Because it?s a light air sail, I use 1/4? OD StaSet X sheets to keep the weight down.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Rob,
> 
> It has its own halyard with the block mounted on the forward round near the
> top of the IMF mast.  A u-bolt on the deck is used to mount a furler with
> the sheets running back to the aft cleats.  It is not physically taxing to
> deploy, just a lot of fuss.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 10:53 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Rick,
>> How do you hoist the UPS? A spare halyard?  - Rob
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 10:48 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
>> 
>> Hi Austin,
>> 
>> I have an asymmetric spinnaker called a UPS by, I think, Doyle.  I also
>> have a 175% genny.
>> 
>> I only rarely use the UPS on a long down wind run wing-on-wing with the
>> genny.  Otherwise, the genny is all I need.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Rick Lange
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 10:37 AM Austin Boyd <ajboyd03 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any
>> other
>>> Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.
>>> 
>>> Austin Boyd
>>> Ridgefield, CT
>>> S/V Acadia
>>> 
>> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Nov 20 15:13:59 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 12:13:59 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Expired SSL license
Message-ID: <E1moWkJ-00Bzxf-LH@s152.servername.online>

I assume this is directed to me, but to the extent that this is an issue at all, it's an issue for Mike W. 

I didn't think that rhodes22.org ever supported https.

--Peter

> On 2021-11-20, at 12:19:18 EST, Rick Lange wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
> 
> The rhodes22.org website no longer supports https.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange
> 


From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sat Nov 20 15:33:21 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 15:33:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
In-Reply-To: <4588EEB6-762C-46CD-85CC-2617A8127314@aol.com>
References: <7b6eda79-5eaa-2368-3b05-9f15618654c9@atlanticbb.net>
 <4588EEB6-762C-46CD-85CC-2617A8127314@aol.com>
Message-ID: <a5251599-9030-c5cb-b23b-bf717ac01ec7@atlanticbb.net>

Hi Thomas,
It was so long ago, and we sold the boat in 2016 so this is going to be 
pretty sketchy - and I have no idea what gear is available now.

The mini-furler attached to a high tech line in the luff of the sail and 
a stainless u-bolt on the foredeck enough aft of the drum for the genoa 
furler and forward of the plate for the deck vent (or in our case the 
Nicro solar fan)? that they didn't interfere with each other. Ours was a 
single line furler but IIRC, Doyle went to a continuous line furler the 
next year - that would have been nice.

The UPS had its own halyard and I think we moved the topping lift to a 
block attached to the masthead plate to free up a sheave in the masthead 
for it. The UPS came with its own lightweight sheets that just stayed 
attached to the sail. We just removed the regular genoa sheets from the 
blocks on the the genoa track and looped them around the very handy 
handholds on either side of the companionway. Our genoa track ran all 
the way to the winches and was adequate. While we talked about tying? 
blocks to the aft cleats to get a slightly better angle and maybe point 
a little higher, we never did.

With this set up, we could furl the UPS and switch to the genoa fairly 
easily. If we had a building breeze we would drop the UPS on its furler, 
leave it attached at the u-bolt? and stash it below or in its bag 
against the mast. It didn't furl tightly enough to stay aloft but furled 
in a breeze.

Doyle was incredibly helpful in walking us through the process. The sail 
came with the furler and sheets attached. All we needed to do was 
install the u-bolt in the deck and free up the halyard.

It was a great sail for light air, very forgiving and a lot of fun to 
play with.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246
Rock Hall, MD

On 11/20/2021 11:42 AM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
> I?m interested in this, can you provide a little more detail on how it was rigged, what typemodel of mini furler and how it was attached?
>
>> On Nov 20, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?There were several of us who did a group order in 2003 or 2004 for what Doyle called their UPS sail which was similar to a Code 0. It flies and furls on it's own luff with a mini-furler on the foredeck and on a spare or extra halyard. The sail was perfect downwind for those days when the air was so light the genoa would collapse on itself. It was also good up to 7 or 8 knots (if I recall correctly) at a beam reach and could be sailed above a beam reach in light air.
>>
>> It was a bit of a hassle to rig but was great fun to sail.
>>
>> The attached photos are our former boat flying the UPS.
>>
>> Mary Lou
>> ex Rhodes 22
>> now Rosborough RF-246
>> Rock Hall, MD
>>
>>> On 11/20/2021 10:37 AM, Austin Boyd wrote:
>>> Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any other
>>> Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.
>>>
>>> Austin Boyd
>>> Ridgefield, CT
>>> S/V Acadia
>>
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net  Sat Nov 20 15:39:08 2021
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (Mary Lou Troy)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 15:39:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
In-Reply-To: <00b701d7de2c$7daee460$790cad20$@ca>
References: <CAGAquT2Sp1ouSMYvtmn+fD6y1XSy+nZ+EbevgPVvhFAhOjH_8Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Graham,
Those photos were pre the drone era and pretty pricey but how can you 
resist when you get followed for 20 minutes by a helicopter with a guy 
with a big camera hanging out the side taking photos and the helicopter 
say "boatpix.com" in giant letters on the tail.

We love our little trawler, Tara, but these are the photos that still 
hang over my desk.

Mary Lou
ex Rhodes 22
now Rosborough RF-246
Rock Hall, MD


On 11/20/2021 11:34 AM, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Mary Lou: What
>
> Fabulous photo!  Makes me want to get a drone
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mary Lou Troy
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 11:08 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
>
> There were several of us who did a group order in 2003 or 2004 for what
> Doyle called their UPS sail which was similar to a Code 0. It flies and
> furls on it's own luff with a mini-furler on the foredeck and on a spare
> or extra halyard. The sail was perfect downwind for those days when the
> air was so light the genoa would collapse on itself. It was also good up
> to 7 or 8 knots (if I recall correctly) at a beam reach and could be
> sailed above a beam reach in light air.
>
> It was a bit of a hassle to rig but was great fun to sail.
>
> The attached photos are our former boat flying the UPS.
>
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> On 11/20/2021 10:37 AM, Austin Boyd wrote:
>> Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any other
>> Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.
>>
>> Austin Boyd
>> Ridgefield, CT
>> S/V Acadia
>


-- 
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sat Nov 20 15:57:51 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 14:57:51 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Expired SSL license
In-Reply-To: <E1moWkJ-00Bzxf-LH@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1moWkJ-00Bzxf-LH@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5U_WgBJB+=SOVBWLUhSvnKOTKn8dbXDW-UU6GC==oJMQ@mail.gmail.com>

Letsencrypt.org will give you a good cert free.

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 2:14 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I assume this is directed to me, but to the extent that this is an issue
> at all, it's an issue for Mike W.
>
> I didn't think that rhodes22.org ever supported https.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2021-11-20, at 12:19:18 EST, Rick Lange wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > The rhodes22.org website no longer supports https.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
>
>

From tvpolise at aol.com  Sat Nov 20 16:59:03 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 16:59:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
In-Reply-To: <a5251599-9030-c5cb-b23b-bf717ac01ec7@atlanticbb.net>
References: <a5251599-9030-c5cb-b23b-bf717ac01ec7@atlanticbb.net>
Message-ID: <1E56C706-6CBB-442D-B153-AF824DF2583B@aol.com>

Thanks!

> On Nov 20, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Thomas,
> It was so long ago, and we sold the boat in 2016 so this is going to be pretty sketchy - and I have no idea what gear is available now.
> 
> The mini-furler attached to a high tech line in the luff of the sail and a stainless u-bolt on the foredeck enough aft of the drum for the genoa furler and forward of the plate for the deck vent (or in our case the Nicro solar fan)  that they didn't interfere with each other. Ours was a single line furler but IIRC, Doyle went to a continuous line furler the next year - that would have been nice.
> 
> The UPS had its own halyard and I think we moved the topping lift to a block attached to the masthead plate to free up a sheave in the masthead for it. The UPS came with its own lightweight sheets that just stayed attached to the sail. We just removed the regular genoa sheets from the blocks on the the genoa track and looped them around the very handy handholds on either side of the companionway. Our genoa track ran all the way to the winches and was adequate. While we talked about tying  blocks to the aft cleats to get a slightly better angle and maybe point a little higher, we never did.
> 
> With this set up, we could furl the UPS and switch to the genoa fairly easily. If we had a building breeze we would drop the UPS on its furler, leave it attached at the u-bolt  and stash it below or in its bag against the mast. It didn't furl tightly enough to stay aloft but furled in a breeze.
> 
> Doyle was incredibly helpful in walking us through the process. The sail came with the furler and sheets attached. All we needed to do was install the u-bolt in the deck and free up the halyard.
> 
> It was a great sail for light air, very forgiving and a lot of fun to play with.
> 
> Mary Lou
> ex Rhodes 22
> now Rosborough RF-246
> Rock Hall, MD
> 
>> On 11/20/2021 11:42 AM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>> I?m interested in this, can you provide a little more detail on how it was rigged, what typemodel of mini furler and how it was attached?
>> 
>>>> On Nov 20, 2021, at 11:08 AM, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?There were several of us who did a group order in 2003 or 2004 for what Doyle called their UPS sail which was similar to a Code 0. It flies and furls on it's own luff with a mini-furler on the foredeck and on a spare or extra halyard. The sail was perfect downwind for those days when the air was so light the genoa would collapse on itself. It was also good up to 7 or 8 knots (if I recall correctly) at a beam reach and could be sailed above a beam reach in light air.
>>> 
>>> It was a bit of a hassle to rig but was great fun to sail.
>>> 
>>> The attached photos are our former boat flying the UPS.
>>> 
>>> Mary Lou
>>> ex Rhodes 22
>>> now Rosborough RF-246
>>> Rock Hall, MD
>>> 
>>>> On 11/20/2021 10:37 AM, Austin Boyd wrote:
>>>> Am thinking of getting a code 0 for light air days. Am curious if any other
>>>> Rhodes owners are using one and how it is working out.
>>>> 
>>>> Austin Boyd
>>>> Ridgefield, CT
>>>> S/V Acadia
>>> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Nov 20 17:24:05 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2021 14:24:05 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Code Zero
Message-ID: <E1moYmD-00CndC-VP@s152.servername.online>

A couple of years ago I decided that the 175% genoa that came with my boat was too big to be a good general purpose head sail.  So, I downsized to a 135%, but being concerned about light air performance, I also bought a UPS (both sails from Doyle - Salem loft).

I knew about the UPS (Utility Power Sail) from discussions on the list back in 2003 - 2004.  The sail was not mentioned on the Doyle website, but the salesman (Chris Howes) assured me that they could still make me one.  I was pretty surprised when I got it, because the 2019 version of the UPS was quite a bit different than 2004 version.

The 2004 UPS was made from nylon.  As Mary Lou's pictures show, nylon comes in colors, and back then you could pick the colors you wanted. I'm not sure what fabric was used in the construction of my UPS, but while pretty light, I'm sure it's heavier than the nylon fabric, and it only comes in white.

 As for rigging, the IMF mast can accommodate two 'halyards'.  When I got my boat, one 'slot' was being used for the mainsail boom topping lift, and the other was unused.  So, now the second 'slot' has the halyard for the UPS.  For the tack, there's an eye on deck just aft of the head stay, a small block attached to the eye, and a line (tack-line) runs through the block.   Both the halyard and tack-line are 1/4".  When the UPS is not deployed, the working ends of these lines are clipped to the deck just forward of the mast (where they can be reached while standing in the cabin).  The other ends go to cam cleats at the aft end of the cabin roof.

Note that there is no furler in this set-up.  

To deploy the UPS, I put the sail bag down on the cabin floor and pull out the head and tack corners, and attach halyard and tack-line. Pull some on one, then some on the other until the luff is tight (being careful not to let the ends of the sheets get away from you). In very light air, I do sometimes have to go on deck to coax the head past the spreader.  

The UPS has its own set of sheets (3/8").  Often, only one will end up being used, but two are needed.  I'm pretty sure that I've never tacked the UPS, but I've jibed it plenty of times.  

There's one more line that helps when retrieving the UPS.  It is permanently attached to the tack, and when the sail is deployed it runs back to the cabin.  Trying to pull in the tack using the clew and foot will tend to make the sail fill with air, which is not what you want at this point.  Pulling the tack in with this line while leaving the sheets slack works much better (as I found out the hard way). 

Naturally, I've got a YouTube video that discusses and depicts some of this, which can be found here: https://youtu.be/8Jcl55uFkbA

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sun Nov 21 00:24:44 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 00:24:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Expired SSL license
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36Z098pbw5P=cPfkuY8kGF70Xy-Sfw17d=stvH0mWGRSHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36Z098pbw5P=cPfkuY8kGF70Xy-Sfw17d=stvH0mWGRSHg@mail.gmail.com>
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It never did. It is on my project list.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 12:19 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Expired SSL license

Hi Peter,

The rhodes22.org website no longer supports https.

Regards,

Rick Lange


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Sun Nov 21 00:27:18 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 00:27:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Expired SSL license
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY5U_WgBJB+=SOVBWLUhSvnKOTKn8dbXDW-UU6GC==oJMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1moWkJ-00Bzxf-LH@s152.servername.online>
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Message-ID: <003601d7de98$74768a80$5d639f80$@ebsmed.com>

The free certs are no longer considered valid by the browsers. They have been abused and are not trusted for the most part.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Tom Van Heule
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 3:58 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Expired SSL license

Letsencrypt.org will give you a good cert free.

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021, 2:14 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I assume this is directed to me, but to the extent that this is an 
> issue at all, it's an issue for Mike W.
>
> I didn't think that rhodes22.org ever supported https.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2021-11-20, at 12:19:18 EST, Rick Lange wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > The rhodes22.org website no longer supports https.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
>
>


From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Nov 25 08:16:47 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 08:16:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bales on Mast
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Nov 25 10:37:32 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:37:32 -0500
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Nov 25 10:44:44 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 10:44:44 -0500
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Nov 26 23:10:09 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 22:10:09 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVCODVo5QMCZ00CY_Y6ED6PD=sdVNAwdBfLTi+yR4Ny6A@mail.gmail.com>

Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW Greece,
1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the trip,
the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some of the
trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new to me
and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a Rhodes
22 in Greece and Turkey.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing

Chris & Alice Geankoplis
Enosis/Xenos

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Sat Nov 27 11:25:55 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 11:25:55 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVCODVo5QMCZ00CY_Y6ED6PD=sdVNAwdBfLTi+yR4Ny6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVCODVo5QMCZ00CY_Y6ED6PD=sdVNAwdBfLTi+yR4Ny6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004201d7e3ab$75971f70$60c55e50$@ca>

Beautiful! Thanks Chris.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario






-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 11:10 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med

Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW Greece,
1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the trip,
the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some of the
trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new to me
and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a Rhodes
22 in Greece and Turkey.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing

Chris & Alice Geankoplis
Enosis/Xenos


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Nov 27 21:34:26 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 20:34:26 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <004201d7e3ab$75971f70$60c55e50$@ca>
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Hey, it is what Rhodies do.  When we share those experiences it makes them
more memorable to us.
Chris & Alice

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Beautiful! Thanks Chris.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 11:10 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
>
> Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW Greece,
> 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the trip,
> the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some of the
> trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new to me
> and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a Rhodes
> 22 in Greece and Turkey.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> Enosis/Xenos
>
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 09:36:27 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 08:36:27 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
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Message-ID: <CAMc-3frP2WyVzq=mCJ-TB7k6rHwfw8TETTNoJXPUcanMAOgWcA@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, thanks for sharing your adventure.  Your travel logs are always
entertaining and informative. The identical framing for the side by side
photos of Vayu and Enosis in Oxia Bay 51 years apart is amazing, and both
trips are impressive!

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 8:34 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey, it is what Rhodies do.  When we share those experiences it makes them
> more memorable to us.
> Chris & Alice
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Beautiful! Thanks Chris.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Chris Geankoplis
> > Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 11:10 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
> >
> > Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW
> Greece,
> > 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the
> trip,
> > the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some of
> the
> > trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new to
> me
> > and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a Rhodes
> > 22 in Greece and Turkey.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > Enosis/Xenos
> >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 14:25:21 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 13:25:21 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
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Thanks Jesse. I enjoy the voyage, and revisit it again as I write about it.
A two fer one proposition.
Chris & Alice
Enosis/Xenos.

On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 8:36 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, thanks for sharing your adventure.  Your travel logs are always
> entertaining and informative. The identical framing for the side by side
> photos of Vayu and Enosis in Oxia Bay 51 years apart is amazing, and both
> trips are impressive!
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 8:34 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey, it is what Rhodies do.  When we share those experiences it makes
> them
> > more memorable to us.
> > Chris & Alice
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Beautiful! Thanks Chris.
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > > Kingston Ontario
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of Chris Geankoplis
> > > Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 11:10 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
> > >
> > > Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW
> > Greece,
> > > 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the
> > trip,
> > > the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some of
> > the
> > > trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new to
> > me
> > > and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a
> Rhodes
> > > 22 in Greece and Turkey.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > > Enosis/Xenos
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Sun Nov 28 14:37:54 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 14:37:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
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Chris

Wow.  Just wow.  What an adventure.

Lee

On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:25 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Jesse. I enjoy the voyage, and revisit it again as I write about it.
> A two fer one proposition.
> Chris & Alice
> Enosis/Xenos.
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 8:36 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Chris, thanks for sharing your adventure.  Your travel logs are always
> > entertaining and informative. The identical framing for the side by side
> > photos of Vayu and Enosis in Oxia Bay 51 years apart is amazing, and both
> > trips are impressive!
> >
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 8:34 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hey, it is what Rhodies do.  When we share those experiences it makes
> > them
> > > more memorable to us.
> > > Chris & Alice
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Beautiful! Thanks Chris.
> > > >
> > > > Graham Stewart
> > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > > > Kingston Ontario
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > > Behalf
> > > > Of Chris Geankoplis
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 11:10 PM
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
> > > >
> > > > Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW
> > > Greece,
> > > > 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the
> > > trip,
> > > > the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some
> of
> > > the
> > > > trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new
> to
> > > me
> > > > and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a
> > Rhodes
> > > > 22 in Greece and Turkey.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > > > Enosis/Xenos
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 13:14:41 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:14:41 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
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Yes Lee, it was fun!  Writing about is also fun. But it takes more time
than actually doing the trip.
Chris & Alice

On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 1:38 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris
>
> Wow.  Just wow.  What an adventure.
>
> Lee
>
> On Sun, Nov 28, 2021, 2:25 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Jesse. I enjoy the voyage, and revisit it again as I write about
> it.
> > A two fer one proposition.
> > Chris & Alice
> > Enosis/Xenos.
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 8:36 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Chris, thanks for sharing your adventure.  Your travel logs are always
> > > entertaining and informative. The identical framing for the side by
> side
> > > photos of Vayu and Enosis in Oxia Bay 51 years apart is amazing, and
> both
> > > trips are impressive!
> > >
> > > Jesse Shumaker
> > > S/V Zephyr
> > >
> > > On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 8:34 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey, it is what Rhodies do.  When we share those experiences it makes
> > > them
> > > > more memorable to us.
> > > > Chris & Alice
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 10:26 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Beautiful! Thanks Chris.
> > > > >
> > > > > Graham Stewart
> > > > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > > > > Kingston Ontario
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > > > Behalf
> > > > > Of Chris Geankoplis
> > > > > Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 11:10 PM
> > > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW
> > > > Greece,
> > > > > 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of
> the
> > > > trip,
> > > > > the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all
> new
> > to
> > > > me
> > > > > and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a
> > > Rhodes
> > > > > 22 in Greece and Turkey.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
> > > > >
> > > > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > > > > Enosis/Xenos
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 15:08:54 2021
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:08:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
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Chris
Just beautiful!
I particularly enjoyed reading the history of the Castle
Looking forward to the next installment.
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
Cell: 410-499-8922


On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 11:10 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW Greece,
> 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the trip,
> the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some of the
> trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new to me
> and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a Rhodes
> 22 in Greece and Turkey.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> Enosis/Xenos
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 16:25:39 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 16:25:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
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Such vicarious pleasure to read this report!  I am envious . . .

Hope the CPAP issue got resolved easily.

Frank

On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 11:26 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Beautiful! Thanks Chris.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 11:10 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
>
> Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW Greece,
> 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the trip,
> the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some of the
> trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new to me
> and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a Rhodes
> 22 in Greece and Turkey.
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> Enosis/Xenos
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 21:46:56 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 20:46:56 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
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Hey Reuben,
I didn?t know you were a history geek (grin). I?ll make sure I add a bit of
history where possible. Oh, we are in Kansas at Nicks house. Had my first
menorah lighting last night. My granddaughter was all excited.

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 2:09 PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris
> Just beautiful!
> I particularly enjoyed reading the history of the Castle
> Looking forward to the next installment.
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> Cell: 410-499-8922
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 11:10 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW
> Greece,
> > 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the
> trip,
> > the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some of
> the
> > trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new to
> me
> > and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a Rhodes
> > 22 in Greece and Turkey.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > Enosis/Xenos
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Nov 29 21:49:44 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 20:49:44 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
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Every thing works out.  Just a few surprises toss d in to keep it
interesting.
Chris & Alice
Enosis/Xenos

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 3:25 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Such vicarious pleasure to read this report!  I am envious . . .
>
> Hope the CPAP issue got resolved easily.
>
> Frank
>
> On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 11:26 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
>
> > Beautiful! Thanks Chris.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Chris Geankoplis
> > Sent: Friday, November 26, 2021 11:10 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
> >
> > Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW
> Greece,
> > 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the
> trip,
> > the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some of
> the
> > trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new to
> me
> > and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a Rhodes
> > 22 in Greece and Turkey.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > Enosis/Xenos
> >
> >
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 09:34:57 2021
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 09:34:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
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Say "Hi" to Nick
Wondering what the Greek equivalent of Latkes is? I'm sure its delicious.
Look forward to seeing you and sailing with you when you get back to Florida
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
Cell: 410-499-8922


On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 9:47 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Reuben,
> I didn?t know you were a history geek (grin). I?ll make sure I add a bit of
> history where possible. Oh, we are in Kansas at Nicks house. Had my first
> menorah lighting last night. My granddaughter was all excited.
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 2:09 PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Chris
> > Just beautiful!
> > I particularly enjoyed reading the history of the Castle
> > Looking forward to the next installment.
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > Cell: 410-499-8922
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 11:10 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW
> > Greece,
> > > 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the
> > trip,
> > > the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some of
> > the
> > > trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new to
> > me
> > > and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a
> Rhodes
> > > 22 in Greece and Turkey.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > > Enosis/Xenos
> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Nov 30 15:01:01 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2021 14:01:01 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 2021 Rhodes in the Med
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Yes Reuben I?ll say hi to Nick and count on some tiller time with you!
Chris
Enosis/Xenos

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 8:35 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Say "Hi" to Nick
> Wondering what the Greek equivalent of Latkes is? I'm sure its delicious.
> Look forward to seeing you and sailing with you when you get back to
> Florida
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> Cell: 410-499-8922
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 9:47 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hey Reuben,
> > I didn?t know you were a history geek (grin). I?ll make sure I add a bit
> of
> > history where possible. Oh, we are in Kansas at Nicks house. Had my first
> > menorah lighting last night. My granddaughter was all excited.
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 2:09 PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Chris
> > > Just beautiful!
> > > I particularly enjoyed reading the history of the Castle
> > > Looking forward to the next installment.
> > > --Reuben
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > > Cell: 410-499-8922
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 26, 2021 at 11:10 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, finally, here is the first week's journal of our trip from NW
> > > Greece,
> > > > 1100 nm to Turkey..  As usual I have tried to catch the spirit of the
> > > trip,
> > > > the technical aspects, and some occasional personal thoughts.  Some
> of
> > > the
> > > > trip is over the same waters I sailed 50+ years ago, much is all new
> to
> > > me
> > > > and Alice.  So click on the link and see what it is like sailing a
> > Rhodes
> > > > 22 in Greece and Turkey.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l7L5YQroRRSmUwaQxhCX_ifx69fkPKbR/view?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > > > Enosis/Xenos
> > > >
> > >
> >
>