From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 08:25:03 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 08:25:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mainsail
References: <2B81397E-AF99-42D0-AB5D-BD67F6F6D976.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <2B81397E-AF99-42D0-AB5D-BD67F6F6D976@aol.com>

I have a 1993 R22 with IMF and my original mainsail is beyond repair.  It has blue sun shield.  Where is best place to order replacement?

From snstaum at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 08:50:32 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 08:50:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mainsail
In-Reply-To: <2B81397E-AF99-42D0-AB5D-BD67F6F6D976@aol.com>
References: <2B81397E-AF99-42D0-AB5D-BD67F6F6D976.ref@aol.com>
 <2B81397E-AF99-42D0-AB5D-BD67F6F6D976@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjdd_OnSpr=5FU-Bo9Y+CLo0A_EmP_y3PoOwgHHK8MHjXA@mail.gmail.com>

Order a factory original from Stan or if you have a local Doyle Sails
franchise they can make one using your old sail as a pattern.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 8:25 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I have a 1993 R22 with IMF and my original mainsail is beyond repair.  It
> has blue sun shield.  Where is best place to order replacement?
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Sun Oct  3 09:11:42 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 09:11:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mainsail
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjdd_OnSpr=5FU-Bo9Y+CLo0A_EmP_y3PoOwgHHK8MHjXA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOo_Fjdd_OnSpr=5FU-Bo9Y+CLo0A_EmP_y3PoOwgHHK8MHjXA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <16DC1F5B-E164-484F-83ED-E97550C456C9@verizon.net>

InnerBanks sails and canvas in Oriental North Carolina. Spencer gave me excellent service. It may take 6-8 weeks to get one but they were great.
Scott, 86? Rhodes22 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Order a factory original from Stan or if you have a local Doyle Sails
> franchise they can make one using your old sail as a pattern.
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 8:25 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a 1993 R22 with IMF and my original mainsail is beyond repair.  It
>> has blue sun shield.  Where is best place to order replacement?
>> 


From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Oct  3 11:40:03 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 11:40:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mainsail
In-Reply-To: <16DC1F5B-E164-484F-83ED-E97550C456C9@verizon.net>
References: <16DC1F5B-E164-484F-83ED-E97550C456C9@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <ABA3DBF2-5A75-42FF-8284-988B82FC5B1F@aol.com>

Thank you all 

> On Oct 3, 2021, at 9:11 AM, Scott Andrews <sea20 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> ?InnerBanks sails and canvas in Oriental North Carolina. Spencer gave me excellent service. It may take 6-8 weeks to get one but they were great.
> Scott, 86? Rhodes22 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2021, at 8:50 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Order a factory original from Stan or if you have a local Doyle Sails
>> franchise they can make one using your old sail as a pattern.
>> 
>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>> 
>> *Stephen Staum*
>> *s/v Pinafore*
>> 
>> *Needham, MA*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 8:25 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I have a 1993 R22 with IMF and my original mainsail is beyond repair.  It
>>> has blue sun shield.  Where is best place to order replacement?
>>> 
> 


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 13:50:59 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 13:50:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Mainsail
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkkAo8+ZG84s1Lrxb1sXQM3AMsUQCdwwz==WJj25SFe4A@mail.gmail.com>

I just bought a new IMF main from Chris Howes at Doyle Sails in Marblehead,
MA. Excellent service and delivery in 5 weeks.  Just in time for our
Chesapeake Cruise. Doyle is the official supplier to General Boats.
And what a difference a new main makes!

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Oct  3 15:07:20 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 12:07:20 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Mainsail
Message-ID: <E1mX6pU-00ENy7-JV@s152.servername.online>

I also worked with Chris Howes of Doyle Sails when I bought a new genoa and UPS.  Everything was arranged via phone and email, and the sails were shipped, so there's no need to have a 'local' Doyle loft.  

I'm looking at Chris's business card, and it says Salem, MA, not Marblehead, not that it matters.  Phone is 978-740-5950.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-10-03, at 13:50:59 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> I just bought a new IMF main from Chris Howes at Doyle Sails in Marblehead, MA. 
> Excellent service and delivery in 5 weeks.  Just in time for our Chesapeake 
> Cruise. Doyle is the official supplier to General Boats. And what a difference a 
> new main makes! 
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.<a href="http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net">http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net</a>
> 732-236-1368
> 


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 16:29:43 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 16:29:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Winch Replacement
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnFt=7P0CHM3M8M-W6553mKbHfhtDfo5=hverR1ygDiRw@mail.gmail.com>

The winch crapped out leaving the motor in the up position which allowed us
practice  sailing up to the launch ramp dock. Successfully It turns out.
I am debating replacing the electric winch with a block and tackle which
should be more reliable? I would be interested in opinions and as much
information as possible in installing the manual version.
Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun Oct  3 17:18:17 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 21:18:17 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Winch Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmnFt=7P0CHM3M8M-W6553mKbHfhtDfo5=hverR1ygDiRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmnFt=7P0CHM3M8M-W6553mKbHfhtDfo5=hverR1ygDiRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920A77B005FC05493B6494480AD9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Jeff,

I upgraded from an aftermarket parallelogram linkage style motor mount to the GBI manual motor mount in 2007.  It?s been completely bulletproof and I like that it doesn?t require any electricity.  With a mechanical advantage of 7:1, it?s not a struggle to raise and lower the motor and I like the ability to partially raise and lower the motor.  When motorsailing on starboard tack, it?s helpful to be able to raise the motor mount to keep the power head out of the water.  On port tack, you need to be able to fully lower the motor in order to keep the prop in the water.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Jeff Smith Photo<mailto:jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 3, 2021 4:30 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Winch Replacement

The winch crapped out leaving the motor in the up position which allowed us
practice  sailing up to the launch ramp dock. Successfully It turns out.
I am debating replacing the electric winch with a block and tackle which
should be more reliable? I would be interested in opinions and as much
information as possible in installing the manual version.
Best Regards
Jeff Smith
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C5b6f6f7b62d94df286f008d986ac921b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637688898016531604%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=6NWOjgEf3G%2BntLwCAtIe%2FSRZaMbsdx7sF%2FSqYRpHDBA%3D&amp;reserved=0
732-236-1368


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sun Oct  3 17:24:32 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 14:24:32 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Winch Replacement
Message-ID: <E1mX8yG-00FGhE-3c@s152.servername.online>

Jeff,

There was a long thread (~50 posts) on this topic about a year ago.  You should be able to find it if you go to the archives for September 2020, list by thread, and look for the thread with the subject "Converting Electric Winch Motor Lift to a Manual System".  I think this link will take you there, or at least get you close: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-September/

Bottom line is that it can be done, and has been done by a few people, including me.  The winch to manual lift conversion doesn't apparently work quite as well as the system that Stan designed as a manual lift from get-go, but it works well enough, and I've never considered going back. 

--Peter

> On 2021-10-03, at 16:29:43 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> The winch crapped out leaving the motor in the up position which allowed us 
> practice  sailing up to the launch ramp dock. Successfully It turns out. I am 
> debating replacing the electric winch with a block and tackle which should be 
> more reliable? I would be interested in opinions and as much information as 
> possible in installing the manual version. 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.<a href="http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net">http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net</a>
> 732-236-1368
> 


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Oct  3 17:25:23 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 16:25:23 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Winch Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmnFt=7P0CHM3M8M-W6553mKbHfhtDfo5=hverR1ygDiRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmnFt=7P0CHM3M8M-W6553mKbHfhtDfo5=hverR1ygDiRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY4ZkK1i3rZRRpKRFAkjWhZrc_jjmLUJHrOUo9_Pxf8q6Q@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't any experience, so information may be short.
My OPINION... As easy as it is to hit a button, it's not as quick as the
manuals I have seen.to lower the motor.
Ymmv on maintenance. My power winch does work well, and is used fairly
often. Leaving the slip out the channel usually, and some "let's get back"
moments means I am raising and lowering up to 2-4 times per sail.
 If there was a critique the 8hp 4 stroke sometimes "bounces" in the track
as slack comes. Seems like a slight binding on the track.  Maybe it was
originally a lighter OB in 2011, not a big deal. Maybe the manual would be
smoother?

 As an aside, Spiders suck (what do y'all do about dock spiders?)

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 3:29 PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The winch crapped out leaving the motor in the up position which allowed us
> practice  sailing up to the launch ramp dock. Successfully It turns out.
> I am debating replacing the electric winch with a block and tackle which
> should be more reliable? I would be interested in opinions and as much
> information as possible in installing the manual version.
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 18:50:00 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 18:50:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spiders
Message-ID: <CAM0HAm=DNS=GRyqakORVJ=gCiYSkPNdjC9bEwbM=32+oMQ15xw@mail.gmail.com>

"If you wish to live and thrive. Let the spider stay alive" - Robert Burns
(?)
Or step on them...

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Oct  3 19:58:41 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 18:58:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spiders
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAm=DNS=GRyqakORVJ=gCiYSkPNdjC9bEwbM=32+oMQ15xw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAm=DNS=GRyqakORVJ=gCiYSkPNdjC9bEwbM=32+oMQ15xw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY4X7uDdLEPY=3kSHVqNtykjuUqBZTS2kmf--ma987PH=w@mail.gmail.com>

Seriously... The green guts stain sooo bad!

Peppermint oil? What?!

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021, 5:50 PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> "If you wish to live and thrive. Let the spider stay alive" - Robert Burns
> (?)
> Or step on them...
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sun Oct  3 21:28:37 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 21:28:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spiders
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmNEVpinRTnq3_BNXfJymVOeYpOg3izZrD4TXpTDL6Y0w@mail.gmail.com>

I keep my boat on a mooring where there are no spiders, but I have jumping
spiders in my basement. I just let them jump. As long as they jump away
from me.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Mon Oct  4 00:05:41 2021
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 04:05:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
Message-ID: <BN9PR03MB6156EB32441FB8ED5C32BEA2AEAE9@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hello all,
Would some of you share a pic with me...I'm interested in what the bimini car on the traveler looks like.
I'm currently trying to mate the parts I have together.
Thank you,
Bob
('84 ORION)





From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 08:46:17 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 08:46:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
In-Reply-To: <BN9PR03MB6156EB32441FB8ED5C32BEA2AEAE9@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
References: <BN9PR03MB6156EB32441FB8ED5C32BEA2AEAE9@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMOeU=1D-z9_V5rm+UhCQwks3pKABRFEL99dLz7TqH81bg@mail.gmail.com>

Bob,

I'm not sure what you are asking for.
A bimini car rides on the genoa track (usually).

As far as the traveller car, there have been several different styles of
traveller used over the years. Some are specific custom cars and others are
available commercially.


If you are looking for the traveller car that rides on a 1" round bar,
original probably after 1984, it is available from rig rite.

https://www.rigrite.com/Travellers/NF_Travellers/Round%20Bar%20Travellers.php






On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 12:06 AM C. Robert Lester <
C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> Hello all,
> Would some of you share a pic with me...I'm interested in what the bimini
> car on the traveler looks like.
> I'm currently trying to mate the parts I have together.
> Thank you,
> Bob
> ('84 ORION)
>
>
>
>
>
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From sbauman369 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 09:05:41 2021
From: sbauman369 at gmail.com (Steve Bauman)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 09:05:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Show
Message-ID: <CANnt4UCeQG1nYzbjOhN2rWNhqGwB_Tj8sr6u=i3_7SEH2RhR+w@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone know for sure whether General Boats will be showing Rhodes 22's
at the show this year (October 14-18)?  And will Stan be there?

Steve
Misty Anne

From koatimundi100 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 09:38:27 2021
From: koatimundi100 at gmail.com (peter klappert)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 09:38:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 trailer cradle
Message-ID: <CAEZbNGDs7vuwzOVLCPapBn-BD7ok8eZk5gw5L-Bq2OO2N=zfVw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks to those who responded. I?ve solved the problem but have promised
Triad not to share their drawing with anyone but my dock builder, alas.--
*>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*

*Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 14:47:47 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 14:47:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Show
In-Reply-To: <CANnt4UCeQG1nYzbjOhN2rWNhqGwB_Tj8sr6u=i3_7SEH2RhR+w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANnt4UCeQG1nYzbjOhN2rWNhqGwB_Tj8sr6u=i3_7SEH2RhR+w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F12D4CB7-D49B-4D19-B339-6AFAFF8E9691@gmail.com>

When I was e-mailing with Stan this summer, in July, he was busy trying to get a boat ready to take to the show ? but I don?t know any more than that. 

Frank

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 9:05 AM, Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know for sure whether General Boats will be showing Rhodes 22's
> at the show this year (October 14-18)?  And will Stan be there?
> 
> Steve
> Misty Anne


From joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon Oct  4 18:11:11 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 18:11:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
Message-ID: <000a01d7b96c$c5a63690$50f2a3b0$@hughes.net>

I'm looking to mount a small bilge pump in the lazarette of my Rhodes. I'm
having difficulty finding articles in the new Archives. Too many pages to
scroll through and click. I've found a couple of articles indicating the
thickness 12" or more from the centerline. Can anyone tell me the thickness
near the centerline (6" or less)? 

 Thanks!


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 19:16:14 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 19:16:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Winch Conversion
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkW7thyqXXArxbs2GqN0AFnTPHzViWFMU+O5Y5L=mjx0A@mail.gmail.com>

One of the reasons for wishing to convert from electric to manual was that
when I bought the boat the transfer was delayed by the need to replace a
relay (?) on the winch motor.  I bought a couple of them just in case and
when the motor hoist failed, attempted to replace at least one.
I'm getting too old to cram myself into the lazarette. It caused (?)
syatica for the first time in 40 years after back surgery in 1980.
But in looking for manual solutions in the archives and records. (Thanks
Peter!) I didn't find a clear cut solution. I had always thought the tackle
would have to be attached to the stern pulpit or to the split back stays to
have a more verticle pull.  So considering the cost of new blocks for the
tackle, $200.00 or so. I will probably opt for a new electric winch,
switch etc. That is also what my wife and sailing partner wants...
Now all I need is to find a young small mechanic!

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 19:17:37 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 19:17:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <000a01d7b96c$c5a63690$50f2a3b0$@hughes.net>
References: <000a01d7b96c$c5a63690$50f2a3b0$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <DDFCE0BD-CE7C-479C-A7BA-F3AFB7E7478F@gmail.com>

I?m surprised that you feel you need that.  My lazarette is completely dry. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2021, at 6:11 PM, Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm looking to mount a small bilge pump in the lazarette of my Rhodes. I'm
> having difficulty finding articles in the new Archives. Too many pages to
> scroll through and click. I've found a couple of articles indicating the
> thickness 12" or more from the centerline. Can anyone tell me the thickness
> near the centerline (6" or less)? 
> 
> Thanks!
> 

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  4 19:57:55 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 19:57:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <DDFCE0BD-CE7C-479C-A7BA-F3AFB7E7478F@gmail.com>
References: <000a01d7b96c$c5a63690$50f2a3b0$@hughes.net>
 <DDFCE0BD-CE7C-479C-A7BA-F3AFB7E7478F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMz+oS5aQ-KAWuwHd+PO-gv8=9GZQK59d5ih2KMhr9_KQ@mail.gmail.com>

I'm curious...
What does hull thickness have to do with mounting a bilge pump in the laz?
Maybe I misunderstand your question.

The hull thickness where the cockpit drain goes through the hull is around
?" thick.
You could pull that through hull fitting to verify.

The only time I have ever had any water in the laz is on the trailer with
the bow elevated and the cockpit seat drains clogged, over running into the
laz. Otherwise, at normal level rest in the water or on the trailer, the
water drains into the cabin bilge through and/or under the cockpit foam
flotation. On most boats, there is no bulkhead sealing off the forward end
of the laz. I raised that question in the last year or so.


Todd T

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 7:17 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I?m surprised that you feel you need that.  My lazarette is completely
> dry.
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 4, 2021, at 6:11 PM, Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?I'm looking to mount a small bilge pump in the lazarette of my Rhodes.
> I'm
> > having difficulty finding articles in the new Archives. Too many pages to
> > scroll through and click. I've found a couple of articles indicating the
> > thickness 12" or more from the centerline. Can anyone tell me the
> thickness
> > near the centerline (6" or less)?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Oct  4 20:17:03 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 20:17:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
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Normally you would want the thru hull for a bilge pump as high up on the
hull as possible with a loop in the discharge hose. My discharge is above
the galley where the hull is about .25" thich as I recall. Maybe I don't
understand what you are asking.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario






-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Joe Dempsey
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 6:11 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness

I'm looking to mount a small bilge pump in the lazarette of my Rhodes. I'm
having difficulty finding articles in the new Archives. Too many pages to
scroll through and click. I've found a couple of articles indicating the
thickness 12" or more from the centerline. Can anyone tell me the thickness
near the centerline (6" or less)? 

 Thanks!


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 00:08:09 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 07:08:09 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <008c01d7b97e$54087fe0$fc197fa0$@ca>
References: <000a01d7b96c$c5a63690$50f2a3b0$@hughes.net>
 <008c01d7b97e$54087fe0$fc197fa0$@ca>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUXrcR6eET3h2dEppXLa8Cs+X_Va-CP5eb_CWrbC2P91g@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps it is a question of using screws to secure the pump. Don?t. A bit
of PL 5200 will do the trick.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
Rhodes, Greece

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 3:17 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Normally you would want the thru hull for a bilge pump as high up on the
> hull as possible with a loop in the discharge hose. My discharge is above
> the galley where the hull is about .25" thich as I recall. Maybe I don't
> understand what you are asking.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Joe Dempsey
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 6:11 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
>
> I'm looking to mount a small bilge pump in the lazarette of my Rhodes. I'm
> having difficulty finding articles in the new Archives. Too many pages to
> scroll through and click. I've found a couple of articles indicating the
> thickness 12" or more from the centerline. Can anyone tell me the thickness
> near the centerline (6" or less)?
>
>  Thanks!
>
>

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Oct  5 08:14:42 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 08:14:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUXrcR6eET3h2dEppXLa8Cs+X_Va-CP5eb_CWrbC2P91g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000a01d7b96c$c5a63690$50f2a3b0$@hughes.net>
 <008c01d7b97e$54087fe0$fc197fa0$@ca>
 <CADNTwiUXrcR6eET3h2dEppXLa8Cs+X_Va-CP5eb_CWrbC2P91g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ad01d7b9e2$94faf0a0$bef0d1e0$@ca>

If fastening the pump to the bilge floor is the issue another alternative to using 5200 on the pump directly would be to epoxy a piece of plywood to the bilge and screw the pump to the plywood. The plywood pad should be totally encapsulated in the epoxy so that it doesn't rot. The advantage of using the plywood is that you can remove the pump by removing the screws. It might not be possible to remove the pump without destroying it if you use 5200 directly. The disadvantage of using a plywood pad is that the pump will be off the hull by the thickness of the plywood and therefore not drain as well. 

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 12:08 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness

Perhaps it is a question of using screws to secure the pump. Don?t. A bit
of PL 5200 will do the trick.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
Rhodes, Greece

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 3:17 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> Normally you would want the thru hull for a bilge pump as high up on the
> hull as possible with a loop in the discharge hose. My discharge is above
> the galley where the hull is about .25" thich as I recall. Maybe I don't
> understand what you are asking.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> Joe Dempsey
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 6:11 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
>
> I'm looking to mount a small bilge pump in the lazarette of my Rhodes. I'm
> having difficulty finding articles in the new Archives. Too many pages to
> scroll through and click. I've found a couple of articles indicating the
> thickness 12" or more from the centerline. Can anyone tell me the thickness
> near the centerline (6" or less)?
>
>  Thanks!
>
>


From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue Oct  5 10:15:53 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 14:15:53 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <008c01d7b97e$54087fe0$fc197fa0$@ca>
References: <000a01d7b96c$c5a63690$50f2a3b0$@hughes.net>
 <008c01d7b97e$54087fe0$fc197fa0$@ca>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB69856996E447080E1FE920B6C1AF9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Most of with bilge pumps tie into the sink drain discharge with a T fitting. - Rob


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:17 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness

Normally you would want the thru hull for a bilge pump as high up on the
hull as possible with a loop in the discharge hose. My discharge is above
the galley where the hull is about .25" thich as I recall. Maybe I don't
understand what you are asking.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario






-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Joe Dempsey
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 6:11 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness

I'm looking to mount a small bilge pump in the lazarette of my Rhodes. I'm
having difficulty finding articles in the new Archives. Too many pages to
scroll through and click. I've found a couple of articles indicating the
thickness 12" or more from the centerline. Can anyone tell me the thickness
near the centerline (6" or less)?

 Thanks!


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 14:37:15 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 21:37:15 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <00ad01d7b9e2$94faf0a0$bef0d1e0$@ca>
References: <000a01d7b96c$c5a63690$50f2a3b0$@hughes.net>
 <008c01d7b97e$54087fe0$fc197fa0$@ca>
 <CADNTwiUXrcR6eET3h2dEppXLa8Cs+X_Va-CP5eb_CWrbC2P91g@mail.gmail.com>
 <00ad01d7b9e2$94faf0a0$bef0d1e0$@ca>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVvi3-5vBvf9vtM3=67mu2huFL_GLoRrnPgOTFeAUvyMg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes I wasn't clear. Graham was more articulate, though I thick some PVC
board would work well and you wouldn't need to epoxy it.
Chris G


On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 3:14 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:

> If fastening the pump to the bilge floor is the issue another alternative
> to using 5200 on the pump directly would be to epoxy a piece of plywood to
> the bilge and screw the pump to the plywood. The plywood pad should be
> totally encapsulated in the epoxy so that it doesn't rot. The advantage of
> using the plywood is that you can remove the pump by removing the screws.
> It might not be possible to remove the pump without destroying it if you
> use 5200 directly. The disadvantage of using a plywood pad is that the pump
> will be off the hull by the thickness of the plywood and therefore not
> drain as well.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 12:08 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
>
> Perhaps it is a question of using screws to secure the pump. Don?t. A bit
> of PL 5200 will do the trick.
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
> Rhodes, Greece
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 3:17 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> > Normally you would want the thru hull for a bilge pump as high up on the
> > hull as possible with a loop in the discharge hose. My discharge is above
> > the galley where the hull is about .25" thich as I recall. Maybe I don't
> > understand what you are asking.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > Joe Dempsey
> > Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 6:11 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
> >
> > I'm looking to mount a small bilge pump in the lazarette of my Rhodes.
> I'm
> > having difficulty finding articles in the new Archives. Too many pages to
> > scroll through and click. I've found a couple of articles indicating the
> > thickness 12" or more from the centerline. Can anyone tell me the
> thickness
> > near the centerline (6" or less)?
> >
> >  Thanks!
> >
> >
>
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 21:54:38 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 20:54:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVvi3-5vBvf9vtM3=67mu2huFL_GLoRrnPgOTFeAUvyMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000a01d7b96c$c5a63690$50f2a3b0$@hughes.net>
 <008c01d7b97e$54087fe0$fc197fa0$@ca>
 <CADNTwiUXrcR6eET3h2dEppXLa8Cs+X_Va-CP5eb_CWrbC2P91g@mail.gmail.com>
 <00ad01d7b9e2$94faf0a0$bef0d1e0$@ca>
 <CADNTwiVvi3-5vBvf9vtM3=67mu2huFL_GLoRrnPgOTFeAUvyMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqqfos0+5vQS_o1arTaXUL0b=rwNVdF9+9HmPtf-x2mKA@mail.gmail.com>

One other way to secure something in a wet location like the bilge is to
use 3M Dual Lock.  It is a durable plastic alternative to velcro and it
works in wet environments.  It's powerful enough to keep things put but you
can still detach when needed.  I used that to secure a battery power water
alarm in the bilge and another one in the lazarette.  The alarm is the kind
that you could use above a sump pump in a house basement.  My boat has a
dry bilge and lazarette so I'd like to know right away if that changes.
Also, the alarm is loud enough so if there was a problem with the boat as
it sits at the slip, any of my slip neighbors would hear and they know how
to get into my boat if needed.  My boat already had a bilge pump installed
by the prior owner.  I'm not entirely sure how it's attached underneath.
It's output hooks into the sink drain discharge.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 1:37 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes I wasn't clear. Graham was more articulate, though I thick some PVC
> board would work well and you wouldn't need to epoxy it.
> Chris G
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 3:14 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> > If fastening the pump to the bilge floor is the issue another alternative
> > to using 5200 on the pump directly would be to epoxy a piece of plywood
> to
> > the bilge and screw the pump to the plywood. The plywood pad should be
> > totally encapsulated in the epoxy so that it doesn't rot. The advantage
> of
> > using the plywood is that you can remove the pump by removing the screws.
> > It might not be possible to remove the pump without destroying it if you
> > use 5200 directly. The disadvantage of using a plywood pad is that the
> pump
> > will be off the hull by the thickness of the plywood and therefore not
> > drain as well.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Chris Geankoplis
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 5, 2021 12:08 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
> >
> > Perhaps it is a question of using screws to secure the pump. Don?t. A bit
> > of PL 5200 will do the trick.
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > ENOSIS
> > Rhodes, Greece
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 3:17 AM Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Normally you would want the thru hull for a bilge pump as high up on
> the
> > > hull as possible with a loop in the discharge hose. My discharge is
> above
> > > the galley where the hull is about .25" thich as I recall. Maybe I
> don't
> > > understand what you are asking.
> > >
> > > Graham Stewart
> > > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > > Kingston Ontario
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of
> > > Joe Dempsey
> > > Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 6:11 PM
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
> > >
> > > I'm looking to mount a small bilge pump in the lazarette of my Rhodes.
> > I'm
> > > having difficulty finding articles in the new Archives. Too many pages
> to
> > > scroll through and click. I've found a couple of articles indicating
> the
> > > thickness 12" or more from the centerline. Can anyone tell me the
> > thickness
> > > near the centerline (6" or less)?
> > >
> > >  Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 12:47:45 2021
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 12:47:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Show
In-Reply-To: <F12D4CB7-D49B-4D19-B339-6AFAFF8E9691@gmail.com>
References: <CANnt4UCeQG1nYzbjOhN2rWNhqGwB_Tj8sr6u=i3_7SEH2RhR+w@mail.gmail.com>
 <F12D4CB7-D49B-4D19-B339-6AFAFF8E9691@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACSd1jJdj0rCT9PRrSxHfWZp+hM3kJFJNQgbaR6308TkZvoxLA@mail.gmail.com>

Stan and General Boats have been at every Annapolis SailBoat Show since it
started.  Well I have not heard anything, I cannot imagine him not being
there.

Mike Corley
s/v Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:47 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> When I was e-mailing with Stan this summer, in July, he was busy trying to
> get a boat ready to take to the show ? but I don?t know any more than that.
>
> Frank
>
> > On Oct 4, 2021, at 9:05 AM, Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anyone know for sure whether General Boats will be showing Rhodes
> 22's
> > at the show this year (October 14-18)?  And will Stan be there?
> >
> > Steve
> > Misty Anne
>
>

From tvpolise at aol.com  Wed Oct  6 15:56:13 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 15:56:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Show
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1jJdj0rCT9PRrSxHfWZp+hM3kJFJNQgbaR6308TkZvoxLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACSd1jJdj0rCT9PRrSxHfWZp+hM3kJFJNQgbaR6308TkZvoxLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2EA6E196-9BF0-4CA4-9621-D44B7DEAC3AF@aol.com>

They are listed in the show directory. 

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Stan and General Boats have been at every Annapolis SailBoat Show since it
> started.  Well I have not heard anything, I cannot imagine him not being
> there.
> 
> Mike Corley
> s/v Ranger
> Hampton Roads
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:47 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> When I was e-mailing with Stan this summer, in July, he was busy trying to
>> get a boat ready to take to the show ? but I don?t know any more than that.
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
>>>> On Oct 4, 2021, at 9:05 AM, Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know for sure whether General Boats will be showing Rhodes
>> 22's
>>> at the show this year (October 14-18)?  And will Stan be there?
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> Misty Anne
>> 
>> 


From sea20 at verizon.net  Wed Oct  6 18:43:40 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 18:43:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Show
In-Reply-To: <2EA6E196-9BF0-4CA4-9621-D44B7DEAC3AF@aol.com>
References: <2EA6E196-9BF0-4CA4-9621-D44B7DEAC3AF@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CEE73A2E-28FA-460D-9C22-048813C1D2E2@verizon.net>

I hope he makes it. I know he needs help.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 3:56 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?They are listed in the show directory. 
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Stan and General Boats have been at every Annapolis SailBoat Show since it
>> started.  Well I have not heard anything, I cannot imagine him not being
>> there.
>> 
>> Mike Corley
>> s/v Ranger
>> Hampton Roads
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:47 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> When I was e-mailing with Stan this summer, in July, he was busy trying to
>>> get a boat ready to take to the show ? but I don?t know any more than that.
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2021, at 9:05 AM, Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Does anyone know for sure whether General Boats will be showing Rhodes
>>> 22's
>>>> at the show this year (October 14-18)?  And will Stan be there?
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> Misty Anne
>>> 
>>> 
> 


From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 19:42:25 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 19:42:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Show
In-Reply-To: <CEE73A2E-28FA-460D-9C22-048813C1D2E2@verizon.net>
References: <2EA6E196-9BF0-4CA4-9621-D44B7DEAC3AF@aol.com>
 <CEE73A2E-28FA-460D-9C22-048813C1D2E2@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <EB9B429D-CBA4-49E5-94B0-CA9BB5664D19@gmail.com>

He definitely could use help ? he doesn?t have many people who can assist him getting a boat ready and up to the show.  I certainly hope he can make it up there.  What a guy, to be at this for so long.  

Frank

> On Oct 6, 2021, at 6:43 PM, Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> I hope he makes it. I know he needs help.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 3:56 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> ?They are listed in the show directory. 
>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2021, at 12:48 PM, Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Stan and General Boats have been at every Annapolis SailBoat Show since it
>>> started.  Well I have not heard anything, I cannot imagine him not being
>>> there.
>>> 
>>> Mike Corley
>>> s/v Ranger
>>> Hampton Roads
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 2:47 PM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> When I was e-mailing with Stan this summer, in July, he was busy trying to
>>>> get a boat ready to take to the show ? but I don?t know any more than that.
>>>> 
>>>> Frank
>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 4, 2021, at 9:05 AM, Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Does anyone know for sure whether General Boats will be showing Rhodes
>>>> 22's
>>>>> at the show this year (October 14-18)?  And will Stan be there?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> Misty Anne
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
> 


From sea20 at verizon.net  Thu Oct  7 07:29:37 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 07:29:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spiders
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmmNEVpinRTnq3_BNXfJymVOeYpOg3izZrD4TXpTDL6Y0w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmNEVpinRTnq3_BNXfJymVOeYpOg3izZrD4TXpTDL6Y0w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6491ED06-DC91-4724-B9B4-AE49694EBDCD@verizon.net>

I?m on a mooring and the spiders are relentless. I clean with Dr Bromers peppermint soap and that keeps them away for a few days.
Scott A 86? Rhodes22 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2021, at 9:28 PM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I keep my boat on a mooring where there are no spiders, but I have jumping
> spiders in my basement. I just let them jump. As long as they jump away
> from me.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 07:40:57 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 07:40:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spiders
In-Reply-To: <6491ED06-DC91-4724-B9B4-AE49694EBDCD@verizon.net>
References: <CAM0HAmmNEVpinRTnq3_BNXfJymVOeYpOg3izZrD4TXpTDL6Y0w@mail.gmail.com>
 <6491ED06-DC91-4724-B9B4-AE49694EBDCD@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMOkgER=OODrudcOg1J=OOJH7L_q+3jjzLd5HrmOZ3NhnA@mail.gmail.com>

I have never tried this but people recommend Bounce or similar dryer sheets
stuffed everywhere.

Todd T.

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021, 7:29 AM Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I?m on a mooring and the spiders are relentless. I clean with Dr Bromers
> peppermint soap and that keeps them away for a few days.
> Scott A 86? Rhodes22
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 3, 2021, at 9:28 PM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I keep my boat on a mooring where there are no spiders, but I have
> jumping
> > spiders in my basement. I just let them jump. As long as they jump away
> > from me.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jeff Smith
> > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> > 732-236-1368
>
>

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Oct  7 13:31:38 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 13:31:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Mainsail
Message-ID: <002601d7bba1$3e397280$baac5780$@hughes.net>

My Inbox  gets bombarded by Doyle with all of their racing news. I click
"Contact Us" and get crickets!


From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Oct  7 13:31:38 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 13:31:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annapolis Show
Message-ID: <003101d7bba1$401118b0$c0334a10$@hughes.net>

In a recent post, Stan said he was planning to be there.


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Oct  7 15:04:45 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:04:45 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Mainsail
Message-ID: <E1mYYhB-00CzZ7-OR@s152.servername.online>

Joe, 

When I was looking to buy a new genoa, I had emailed several closer Doyle lofts, but got no response until I emailed the Salem, MA loft. 

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-10-07, at 13:31:38 EDT, Joe Dempsey wrote:
>
> My Inbox  gets bombarded by Doyle with all of their racing news. I click 
> "Contact Us" and get crickets! 
> 
> 


From ccowie at cowieassociates.com  Fri Oct  8 14:40:07 2021
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 18:40:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Mainsail
In-Reply-To: <E1mYYhB-00CzZ7-OR@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mYYhB-00CzZ7-OR@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <DM6PR18MB3475DC465D5AC8AC73216103D1B29@DM6PR18MB3475.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>

Peter/Joe:

FYI:  I reached out to Chris Howes at Doyle Sails a few years ago and re-established contact with him to make sure he is able to provide the Doyle sails to fit the Rhodes 22.  At the time he preferred that orders come through me to avoid him having to deal with individual owners however he has been selling direct to buyers and has recently updated his price list for the main and various jib/jenoa options.  He has also made some custom sails for me. 

Christopher P. Cowie? ??

4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119
Washington DC, 20016
703.717.9103 office
202.270.1470 mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com]



Please consider the environment before printing this email.


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Thursday, October 7, 2021 3:05 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Mainsail

Joe, 

When I was looking to buy a new genoa, I had emailed several closer Doyle lofts, but got no response until I emailed the Salem, MA loft. 

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-10-07, at 13:31:38 EDT, Joe Dempsey wrote:
>
> My Inbox  gets bombarded by Doyle with all of their racing news. I 
> click "Contact Us" and get crickets!
> 
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Fri Oct  8 15:48:27 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 12:48:27 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Mainsail
Message-ID: <E1mYvr1-007EOz-9y@s152.servername.online>

When I was trying to get anyone from Doyle to respond a few years ago, I just sent a blind email to the Salem loft, and Chris Howes was the person who responded to me.  

I just revisited the web page for the Salem loft (https://www.doylesails.com/loft-salem/) and noticed that Chris Howes does not appear in the 'Meet the Team' section.  I'm pretty sure that he used to appear in this section, making me wonder if he's still there or still doing sales.

--Peter

> On 2021-10-08, at 14:40:07 EDT, Chris Cowie wrote:
>
> Peter/Joe:
> 
> FYI:  I reached out to Chris Howes at Doyle Sails a few years ago and 
> re-established contact with him to make sure he is able to provide the Doyle 
> sails to fit the Rhodes 22.  At the time he preferred that orders come through 
> me to avoid him having to deal with individual owners however he has been 
> selling direct to buyers and has recently updated his price list for the main 
> and various jib/jenoa options.  He has also made some custom sails for me. 
> 
> Christopher P. Cowie
> 
> 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119
> Washington DC, 20016
> 703.717.9103 office
> 202.270.1470 mobile
> [<a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">ccowie at 
> cowieassociates.com</a>] 
> 
> 
> 
> Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> 
> 
> 


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 15:59:53 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 15:59:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Mainsail
In-Reply-To: <E1mYvr1-007EOz-9y@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mYvr1-007EOz-9y@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CABkv36YzYt=1vkQgEsSX_56aL_YLW=u-WpbpW1V7A9O4NjQqzw@mail.gmail.com>

Any sail loft can make any R22 sail.  They can use your old sail or public
domain specs.  Just ask around your waterfront or search the internet.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Fri, Oct 8, 2021 at 3:49 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> When I was trying to get anyone from Doyle to respond a few years ago, I
> just sent a blind email to the Salem loft, and Chris Howes was the person
> who responded to me.
>
> I just revisited the web page for the Salem loft (
> https://www.doylesails.com/loft-salem/) and noticed that Chris Howes does
> not appear in the 'Meet the Team' section.  I'm pretty sure that he used to
> appear in this section, making me wonder if he's still there or still doing
> sales.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2021-10-08, at 14:40:07 EDT, Chris Cowie wrote:
> >
> > Peter/Joe:
> >
> > FYI:  I reached out to Chris Howes at Doyle Sails a few years ago and
> > re-established contact with him to make sure he is able to provide the
> Doyle
> > sails to fit the Rhodes 22.  At the time he preferred that orders come
> through
> > me to avoid him having to deal with individual owners however he has
> been
> > selling direct to buyers and has recently updated his price list for the
> main
> > and various jib/jenoa options.  He has also made some custom sails for
> me.
> >
> > Christopher P. Cowie
> >
> > 4200 Massachusetts Ave NW 119
> > Washington DC, 20016
> > 703.717.9103 office
> > 202.270.1470 mobile
> > [<a href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">ccowie at
> > cowieassociates.com</a>]
> >
> >
> >
> > Please consider the environment before printing this email.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From koatimundi100 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 18:28:05 2021
From: koatimundi100 at gmail.com (peter klappert)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 18:28:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Depth of Centerboard Trunk
Message-ID: <CAEZbNGDg=yEvNpwz9YX6-oLxJ5H_p0X46r5+68pyO+r=7QPP4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Friends: I need to know how far the trunk extends below the belly of the
hull.

Although I was able to provide a drawing of the trailer cradle, my dock
builder can't or won't use it--the kind of cradle the Rhodes 22 has used
for 50 years.
.
He says he can't make a cradle with the long, flexible boards.  He wants to
make a cradle modeled on those used for bigger boats--keel boats, using
straight bunks on each side of the trunk and flexible stanchions to steady
the hull.

That will require more meticulous maneuvering coming in and, I think, risks
damage to the hull.
I don't like it, but I think I'm stuck with it.

Advice will be very welcome.

Thanks.


-- 
*>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*

*Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Oct  8 18:44:42 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 22:44:42 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Depth of Centerboard Trunk
In-Reply-To: <CAEZbNGDg=yEvNpwz9YX6-oLxJ5H_p0X46r5+68pyO+r=7QPP4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEZbNGDg=yEvNpwz9YX6-oLxJ5H_p0X46r5+68pyO+r=7QPP4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69201C10EFBEF68BCE00793880B29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Peter,

I?d find a different dock builder.  I?ve used the kind of trailer your dock builder is proposing for a Hunter 26.  It was an exercise in nail biting both getting the boat on and off the trailer and it required several helpers to line the hull up.  For me, the style of cradle with the long flexible boards would be nonnegotiable and I?d tell the guy to take a hike if he won?t do it.  You?d be surprised what people will do when you won?t budge.

As far as your keel depth, I recommend you take a measurement on the trailing edge.  The hull is pretty flat there and the keel tapers down to a fine edge. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2021, at 6:28 PM, peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Friends: I need to know how far the trunk extends below the belly of the
> hull.
> 
> Although I was able to provide a drawing of the trailer cradle, my dock
> builder can't or won't use it--the kind of cradle the Rhodes 22 has used
> for 50 years.
> .
> He says he can't make a cradle with the long, flexible boards.  He wants to
> make a cradle modeled on those used for bigger boats--keel boats, using
> straight bunks on each side of the trunk and flexible stanchions to steady
> the hull.
> 
> That will require more meticulous maneuvering coming in and, I think, risks
> damage to the hull.
> I don't like it, but I think I'm stuck with it.
> 
> Advice will be very welcome.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> -- 
> *>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*
> 
> *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 19:36:37 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 19:36:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Mainsail
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnk_NHoj_TYWtU54WXaroUabSeCtTE7TG6DoXG9cAEAwQ@mail.gmail.com>

I would go with Doyle and Chris Howes (which I just did). IMF sails are
tricky and the price I got seemed fair. As Peter said"You order by phone
and they ship it to you". What is not to like?
A buddy of mine used an off brand non Catalina sail maker for an in mast
furling sail for his Catalina 38.  He had to return it twice to the
Canadian agent and lost most of a sailing season.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From tvpolise at aol.com  Fri Oct  8 19:56:35 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 19:56:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hats
References: <C997F4D3-E100-4EC6-899B-16B6EB43194D.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <C997F4D3-E100-4EC6-899B-16B6EB43194D@aol.com>

How do I order Rhodes 22 hats?

From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Fri Oct  8 21:23:47 2021
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 01:23:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hats
In-Reply-To: <C997F4D3-E100-4EC6-899B-16B6EB43194D@aol.com>
References: <C997F4D3-E100-4EC6-899B-16B6EB43194D.ref@aol.com>
 <C997F4D3-E100-4EC6-899B-16B6EB43194D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB5438AE2ADCDD7A68BFE3E9E3D9B39@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

There?s hats??!??!?!?!?

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman


> On Oct 8, 2021, at 6:56 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> ?How do I order Rhodes 22 hats?

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Oct  8 21:30:25 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 20:30:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Depth of Centerboard Trunk
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB69201C10EFBEF68BCE00793880B29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEZbNGDg=yEvNpwz9YX6-oLxJ5H_p0X46r5+68pyO+r=7QPP4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69201C10EFBEF68BCE00793880B29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY7RvPb2Va9W5hKrcPN5w4CK9uYnd4Lpjtp1c1JpF9WLQA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a tape setup for pic... But then I got distracted with pokemon...
Now it's dark.
  It's 12" on the trailing end of the keel to the main hull.  On my 2011
hull.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 5:44 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Peter,
>
> I?d find a different dock builder.  I?ve used the kind of trailer your
> dock builder is proposing for a Hunter 26.  It was an exercise in nail
> biting both getting the boat on and off the trailer and it required several
> helpers to line the hull up.  For me, the style of cradle with the long
> flexible boards would be nonnegotiable and I?d tell the guy to take a hike
> if he won?t do it.  You?d be surprised what people will do when you won?t
> budge.
>
> As far as your keel depth, I recommend you take a measurement on the
> trailing edge.  The hull is pretty flat there and the keel tapers down to a
> fine edge.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 8, 2021, at 6:28 PM, peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Friends: I need to know how far the trunk extends below the belly of the
> > hull.
> >
> > Although I was able to provide a drawing of the trailer cradle, my dock
> > builder can't or won't use it--the kind of cradle the Rhodes 22 has used
> > for 50 years.
> > .
> > He says he can't make a cradle with the long, flexible boards.  He wants
> to
> > make a cradle modeled on those used for bigger boats--keel boats, using
> > straight bunks on each side of the trunk and flexible stanchions to
> steady
> > the hull.
> >
> > That will require more meticulous maneuvering coming in and, I think,
> risks
> > damage to the hull.
> > I don't like it, but I think I'm stuck with it.
> >
> > Advice will be very welcome.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
> > --
> > *>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*
> >
> > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 22:13:32 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 22:13:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Depth of Centerboard Trunk
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY7RvPb2Va9W5hKrcPN5w4CK9uYnd4Lpjtp1c1JpF9WLQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEZbNGDg=yEvNpwz9YX6-oLxJ5H_p0X46r5+68pyO+r=7QPP4Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <CH2PR02MB69201C10EFBEF68BCE00793880B29@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAEqJHY7RvPb2Va9W5hKrcPN5w4CK9uYnd4Lpjtp1c1JpF9WLQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMNu5AMBmpcDU90zDk9TG8X0n7EABhdvBrYqpg3f=6Q09A@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

Because of the progressive curvature of the hull, it will be very difficult
to give you the calculations you need. And we don't have access to the
plans Triad sent you.

But going from the trailer sketches in the archives; which were taken from
a Triad trailer, if the four uprights are positioned correctly in the x
plane, are the proper height, and have the correct bracket angles, the only
other measurement needed is the drop of the crossmember that holds the
roller (which would likely be a horizontal carpeted board on your cradle).

The trailer sketches show a 4" drop IIRC. So adding this 4" to each upright
length should get you there.

I can try to get you the keelson vertical height measurements from my 1984
tomorrow. I also have an old Triad trailer in the weeds out at the back of
my property. If you need me to take any measurements of that trailer too,
let me know.

Todd T.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 9:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> I have a tape setup for pic... But then I got distracted with pokemon...
> Now it's dark.
>   It's 12" on the trailing end of the keel to the main hull.  On my 2011
> hull.
>
> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 5:44 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Peter,
> >
> > I?d find a different dock builder.  I?ve used the kind of trailer your
> > dock builder is proposing for a Hunter 26.  It was an exercise in nail
> > biting both getting the boat on and off the trailer and it required
> several
> > helpers to line the hull up.  For me, the style of cradle with the long
> > flexible boards would be nonnegotiable and I?d tell the guy to take a
> hike
> > if he won?t do it.  You?d be surprised what people will do when you won?t
> > budge.
> >
> > As far as your keel depth, I recommend you take a measurement on the
> > trailing edge.  The hull is pretty flat there and the keel tapers down
> to a
> > fine edge.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 8, 2021, at 6:28 PM, peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Friends: I need to know how far the trunk extends below the belly of
> the
> > > hull.
> > >
> > > Although I was able to provide a drawing of the trailer cradle, my dock
> > > builder can't or won't use it--the kind of cradle the Rhodes 22 has
> used
> > > for 50 years.
> > > .
> > > He says he can't make a cradle with the long, flexible boards.  He
> wants
> > to
> > > make a cradle modeled on those used for bigger boats--keel boats, using
> > > straight bunks on each side of the trunk and flexible stanchions to
> > steady
> > > the hull.
> > >
> > > That will require more meticulous maneuvering coming in and, I think,
> > risks
> > > damage to the hull.
> > > I don't like it, but I think I'm stuck with it.
> > >
> > > Advice will be very welcome.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > *>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*
> > >
> > > *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 12:44:46 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 12:44:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Depth of Centerboard Trunk
In-Reply-To: <CAEZbNGDg=yEvNpwz9YX6-oLxJ5H_p0X46r5+68pyO+r=7QPP4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEZbNGDg=yEvNpwz9YX6-oLxJ5H_p0X46r5+68pyO+r=7QPP4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMPTL0H+fEB_0hsy6nsw6BtE9HDM9rJ6g4-+25XTtc3-aw@mail.gmail.com>

Peter,

I don't know if this is what you asked,, or if it helps, but attached is a
quick sketch of how far the keel stub hangs below the body of the hull.
Where it flattens out going back to the rear corner is about 64".
At the forward end, it starts out at about 10" and gradually tapers lower
to about 12-1/4" at the rear. (on my 1984)

Todd T.

P.S. the 11" was probably not taken in the exact center of the 64" length.

On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 6:28 PM peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Friends: I need to know how far the trunk extends below the belly of the
> hull.
>
> Although I was able to provide a drawing of the trailer cradle, my dock
> builder can't or won't use it--the kind of cradle the Rhodes 22 has used
> for 50 years.
> .
> He says he can't make a cradle with the long, flexible boards.  He wants to
> make a cradle modeled on those used for bigger boats--keel boats, using
> straight bunks on each side of the trunk and flexible stanchions to steady
> the hull.
>
> That will require more meticulous maneuvering coming in and, I think, risks
> damage to the hull.
> I don't like it, but I think I'm stuck with it.
>
> Advice will be very welcome.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> *>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*
>
> *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*
>
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From stan at generalboats.com  Sat Oct  9 17:49:05 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:49:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Depth of Centerboard Trunk
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to Peter from stan, Go with Roger on this.? He is rarely wrong. To spend 
so much fixing up your lovely waterfront FL retreat only to end up with 
a costly lift you can't sail onto / never.? Worse, not good for the 
boat.? Think of a foxy lady stepping on your foot with her high heel.? 
Suppose your board had a good reason for not making it fully up when you 
thought it was.? You would find it next time you were set to go for a 
sail, partly in your cabin and the cabin loaded with salt water.? You 
would find that the normal weight of the boat plus the weight of water 
taken on, all now supported by only the small area of the short, narrow 
keel bottom, has distorted your interior enough so the head door will 
not open.? When it comes to the Rhodes, beware of experts.? They can do 
more damage than you can imagine.? But try:? They have raised pop tops, 
bow end first and then told the owner we sold them a defective system 
when they find the aft end frozen down.? They have lowered masts without 
first disengaging the pop top slider. Ouch.? Don't let them tell you the 
Rhodes needs a full deep keel type of lift. You and I will both be sorry.

stan


 ?On 10/8/21 6:44 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> Peter,
>
> I?d find a different dock builder.  I?ve used the kind of trailer your dock builder is proposing for a Hunter 26.  It was an exercise in nail biting both getting the boat on and off the trailer and it required several helpers to line the hull up.  For me, the style of cradle with the long flexible boards would be nonnegotiable and I?d tell the guy to take a hike if he won?t do it.  You?d be surprised what people will do when you won?t budge.
>
> As far as your keel depth, I recommend you take a measurement on the trailing edge.  The hull is pretty flat there and the keel tapers down to a fine edge.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 8, 2021, at 6:28 PM, peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Friends: I need to know how far the trunk extends below the belly of the
>> hull.
>>
>> Although I was able to provide a drawing of the trailer cradle, my dock
>> builder can't or won't use it--the kind of cradle the Rhodes 22 has used
>> for 50 years.
>> .
>> He says he can't make a cradle with the long, flexible boards.  He wants to
>> make a cradle modeled on those used for bigger boats--keel boats, using
>> straight bunks on each side of the trunk and flexible stanchions to steady
>> the hull.
>>
>> That will require more meticulous maneuvering coming in and, I think, risks
>> damage to the hull.
>> I don't like it, but I think I'm stuck with it.
>>
>> Advice will be very welcome.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> *>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*
>>
>> *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*


From gramille at tds.net  Sun Oct 10 11:13:56 2021
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 11:13:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920A77B005FC05493B6494480AD9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAM0HAmnFt=7P0CHM3M8M-W6553mKbHfhtDfo5=hverR1ygDiRw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AFB80BE3-5805-493D-B416-FB7264A0800B@tds.net>

> 
> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?

>  Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder that could attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?

Graham
sv.00Sailin


From rweiss at siu.edu  Sun Oct 10 11:42:48 2021
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:42:48 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
In-Reply-To: <AFB80BE3-5805-493D-B416-FB7264A0800B@tds.net>
References: <CAM0HAmnFt=7P0CHM3M8M-W6553mKbHfhtDfo5=hverR1ygDiRw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CH0PR07MB83785E92859364AF471E687CC6B49@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Unfortunately, the app I use -- MotionX-GPS -- has been discontinued. I still have it on my phone and the speed part is the best app I have found. It used to also track my trip and allow me to download a map of where I went, but that doesn't work anymore now that the app is discontinued. It also shows the time lapsed, average speed and announces those things at any time interval you choose. Sure wish the app was still current.

I mount my phone to the starboard side support of the pop-top with a holder made for using your phone on a bike. That also allows me to plug my phone into the 12 volt outlet in the cabin, otherwise using gps continuously runs the battery down in a hurry. The app also has a "Jumbo view" that makes it easy to read from the tiller.

Bob
Beach Spring


Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring

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>
> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?

>  Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder that could attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?

Graham
sv.00Sailin


From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 13:15:08 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:15:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
In-Reply-To: <AFB80BE3-5805-493D-B416-FB7264A0800B@tds.net>
References: <CAM0HAmnFt=7P0CHM3M8M-W6553mKbHfhtDfo5=hverR1ygDiRw@mail.gmail.com>
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 <AFB80BE3-5805-493D-B416-FB7264A0800B@tds.net>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEkE__-kub8xxNG9GTOgE3f7XxhDyEomyUXbo-8Jtw13yQ@mail.gmail.com>

See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it works on a
iPhone too.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> >
> > Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
>
> >  Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder that could
> attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
>
> Graham
> sv.00Sailin
>
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 13:31:27 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 13:31:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
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I have used "boatspeed" for the last 1,000 nm on Enosis this summer and it
works fine.  There is a bit of mental interpolation as you get a slightly
different speed every couple of seconds.  But it has been spot on for
planning and sail adjustments.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:15 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it works on a
> iPhone too.
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
> >
> > >  Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder that could
> > attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
> >
> > Graham
> > sv.00Sailin
> >
> >
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From gramille at tds.net  Sun Oct 10 14:49:05 2021
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 14:49:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiW=n_JP=jM+ubNUT9VtQXrzTGHsu7qkPMqwgqhhR8SBPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmnFt=7P0CHM3M8M-W6553mKbHfhtDfo5=hverR1ygDiRw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CB426872-1209-4A7B-A4FC-BBFF4BC28CFE@tds.net>

Thanks Lee and Chris,
 I have downloaded Boatspeed for 99c and will give it a try tomorrow!
Anyone found a good method for holding/ displaying your iPhone while sailing without it baking or ending up in the drink? I am thinking of a kind of suction cup  phone holder to put on the bulkhead?
Graham Parker
sv.00Sailin

> On Oct 10, 2021, at 13:31, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have used "boatspeed" for the last 1,000 nm on Enosis this summer and it
> works fine.  There is a bit of mental interpolation as you get a slightly
> different speed every couple of seconds.  But it has been spot on for
> planning and sail adjustments.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> 
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:15 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it works on a
>> iPhone too.
>> 
>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
>>> 
>>>> Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder that could
>>> attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
>>> 
>>> Graham
>>> sv.00Sailin
>>> 
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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 15:00:48 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 15:00:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
In-Reply-To: <CB426872-1209-4A7B-A4FC-BBFF4BC28CFE@tds.net>
References: <CAM0HAmnFt=7P0CHM3M8M-W6553mKbHfhtDfo5=hverR1ygDiRw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920A77B005FC05493B6494480AD9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
 <AFB80BE3-5805-493D-B416-FB7264A0800B@tds.net>
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Message-ID: <CAPgvAEkq20bkuTRBdvH-oBBSEKgZcg_h3cUhAr8fWV24-9tqXQ@mail.gmail.com>

See attached.  Other similar options available.   Sits on galley or cockpit
seat without sliding, I think.


On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 2:49 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Thanks Lee and Chris,
>  I have downloaded Boatspeed for 99c and will give it a try tomorrow!
> Anyone found a good method for holding/ displaying your iPhone while
> sailing without it baking or ending up in the drink? I am thinking of a
> kind of suction cup  phone holder to put on the bulkhead?
> Graham Parker
> sv.00Sailin
>
> > On Oct 10, 2021, at 13:31, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have used "boatspeed" for the last 1,000 nm on Enosis this summer and
> it
> > works fine.  There is a bit of mental interpolation as you get a slightly
> > different speed every couple of seconds.  But it has been spot on for
> > planning and sail adjustments.
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:15 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it works on a
> >> iPhone too.
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
> >>>
> >>>> Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder that could
> >>> attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
> >>>
> >>> Graham
> >>> sv.00Sailin
> >>>
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Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:53:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hats
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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Sun Oct 10 18:00:49 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 18:00:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
Message-ID: <004a01d7be22$511539b0$f33fad10$@hughes.net>

I'm looking for the thickness before I drill the mounting screws for the
pump. I want to mount it in the lazarette in the lowest location on the
centerline. The discharge will be above the water line.


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Sun Oct 10 18:34:21 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 17:34:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <004a01d7be22$511539b0$f33fad10$@hughes.net>
References: <004a01d7be22$511539b0$f33fad10$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6eAffiRys_LLRh=_-JvHAgF7FdkPTd_YYng+0mn=8gAQ@mail.gmail.com>

I liked the Velcro idea.... I won't through hull this.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 5:01 PM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

> I'm looking for the thickness before I drill the mounting screws for the
> pump. I want to mount it in the lazarette in the lowest location on the
> centerline. The discharge will be above the water line.
>
>

From retro53 at msn.com  Sun Oct 10 19:17:23 2021
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2021 23:17:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <004a01d7be22$511539b0$f33fad10$@hughes.net>
References: <004a01d7be22$511539b0$f33fad10$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <MN2PR03MB5245FE41AFC6355ABAF2D1ACBDB49@MN2PR03MB5245.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

I also would not drill into the hull for this. I epoxied a thin piece of PVC to the hull (with pre-drilled holes for the pump) and then just attached the pump to it. It's been there for several years now, with no issues.
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2021 6:00 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness

I'm looking for the thickness before I drill the mounting screws for the
pump. I want to mount it in the lazarette in the lowest location on the
centerline. The discharge will be above the water line.


From mike at traildesign.com  Mon Oct 11 11:37:35 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:37:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEkq20bkuTRBdvH-oBBSEKgZcg_h3cUhAr8fWV24-9tqXQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I use the Navionics app on my iPad (and iPhone as backup). Since Garmin now
owns Navionics, you can also access active captain to find local services.

 The iPad is attached to the starboard bulkhead handrail via a ram mount
system with an adjustable arm so I can change the angle. Glare on the
screen is the biggest issue with using a tablet or phone for navigation.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:01 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> See attached.  Other similar options available.   Sits on galley or cockpit
> seat without sliding, I think.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 2:49 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Lee and Chris,
> >  I have downloaded Boatspeed for 99c and will give it a try tomorrow!
> > Anyone found a good method for holding/ displaying your iPhone while
> > sailing without it baking or ending up in the drink? I am thinking of a
> > kind of suction cup  phone holder to put on the bulkhead?
> > Graham Parker
> > sv.00Sailin
> >
> > > On Oct 10, 2021, at 13:31, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have used "boatspeed" for the last 1,000 nm on Enosis this summer and
> > it
> > > works fine.  There is a bit of mental interpolation as you get a
> slightly
> > > different speed every couple of seconds.  But it has been spot on for
> > > planning and sail adjustments.
> > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > Enosis
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:15 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it works on a
> > >> iPhone too.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
> > >>>
> > >>>> Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder that
> could
> > >>> attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
> > >>>
> > >>> Graham
> > >>> sv.00Sailin
> > >>>
> > >>>
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-- 
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From mike at traildesign.com  Mon Oct 11 11:44:38 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 10:44:38 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <004a01d7be22$511539b0$f33fad10$@hughes.net>
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+1 on the Velcro. My lazarette is a catch all for extra lines, fenders,
spare anchor etc. The Velcro allows the pump to move rather than break if
some like the anchor slides into it.



On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:01 PM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

> I'm looking for the thickness before I drill the mounting screws for the
> pump. I want to mount it in the lazarette in the lowest location on the
> centerline. The discharge will be above the water line.
>
> --
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Oct 11 14:04:54 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 14:04:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-Z2nf27MLqRf7KWt7KrKt-6DJd9+wG7EyqPXELS3KzWQ@mail.gmail.com>
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BoatSpeed is a great app - especially if you are using it on a cell phone. 

Another app that I like that is free (10/year for the premium
version) is SailFreeGps. It is a very complete navigation program but with large and very legible characters. All the other navigation programs that I have tried are expensive given the miniscule amount of "navigation" I actually engage in.

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario






-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Mike Riter
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 11:38 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring

I use the Navionics app on my iPad (and iPhone as backup). Since Garmin now
owns Navionics, you can also access active captain to find local services.

 The iPad is attached to the starboard bulkhead handrail via a ram mount
system with an adjustable arm so I can change the angle. Glare on the
screen is the biggest issue with using a tablet or phone for navigation.

On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:01 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> See attached.  Other similar options available.   Sits on galley or cockpit
> seat without sliding, I think.
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 2:49 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Lee and Chris,
> >  I have downloaded Boatspeed for 99c and will give it a try tomorrow!
> > Anyone found a good method for holding/ displaying your iPhone while
> > sailing without it baking or ending up in the drink? I am thinking of a
> > kind of suction cup  phone holder to put on the bulkhead?
> > Graham Parker
> > sv.00Sailin
> >
> > > On Oct 10, 2021, at 13:31, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have used "boatspeed" for the last 1,000 nm on Enosis this summer and
> > it
> > > works fine.  There is a bit of mental interpolation as you get a
> slightly
> > > different speed every couple of seconds.  But it has been spot on for
> > > planning and sail adjustments.
> > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > Enosis
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:15 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it works on a
> > >> iPhone too.
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
> > >>>
> > >>>> Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder that
> could
> > >>> attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
> > >>>
> > >>> Graham
> > >>> sv.00Sailin
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> -------------- next part --------------
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> > >>
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211010/fab11844/attachment.jpg
> > >>>
> > >>
> >
> >
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> >
>
-- 
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 14:16:15 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:16:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
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Hi Mike, I use Navionics as well.  I think it's a good value for the amount
of information.  It's nice to have a consistent navigation app to take with
when chartering, since chart plotters can vary widely, and it's also good
to have multiple sources of information in addition to chart books / paper
charts.  To avoid draining my cell battery for a nav app, I primarily use
the app on an iPod touch enclosed in a waterproof case that is bluetooth
paired to a Bad Elf GPS, and then I attach the iPod to my forearm with a
fitness arm band so it's always available and I don't have to worry about
dropping it.

When I look back at a track over a day, I've noticed that my top speed on
Navionics tends to be higher than seems practical (on my R22 as well as
other boats).  Do you find this to be the case?

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 10:37 AM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> I use the Navionics app on my iPad (and iPhone as backup). Since Garmin now
> owns Navionics, you can also access active captain to find local services.
>
>  The iPad is attached to the starboard bulkhead handrail via a ram mount
> system with an adjustable arm so I can change the angle. Glare on the
> screen is the biggest issue with using a tablet or phone for navigation.
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:01 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > See attached.  Other similar options available.   Sits on galley or
> cockpit
> > seat without sliding, I think.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 2:49 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks Lee and Chris,
> > >  I have downloaded Boatspeed for 99c and will give it a try tomorrow!
> > > Anyone found a good method for holding/ displaying your iPhone while
> > > sailing without it baking or ending up in the drink? I am thinking of a
> > > kind of suction cup  phone holder to put on the bulkhead?
> > > Graham Parker
> > > sv.00Sailin
> > >
> > > > On Oct 10, 2021, at 13:31, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have used "boatspeed" for the last 1,000 nm on Enosis this summer
> and
> > > it
> > > > works fine.  There is a bit of mental interpolation as you get a
> > slightly
> > > > different speed every couple of seconds.  But it has been spot on for
> > > > planning and sail adjustments.
> > > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > > Enosis
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:15 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it works
> on a
> > > >> iPhone too.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder that
> > could
> > > >>> attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Graham
> > > >>> sv.00Sailin
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >> -------------- next part --------------
> > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > > >> URL: <
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211010/fab11844/attachment.jpg
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211010/83d11f44/attachment.jpg
> > >
> >
> --
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021
>

From mike at traildesign.com  Mon Oct 11 14:38:37 2021
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 13:38:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
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I haven?t noticed Navionics returning a higher speed than what would be
reasonable. Then again anytime I see a speed over 3 knots I?m elated. So if
the app is misleading me, then I?m ok with that. ?

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:16 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike, I use Navionics as well.  I think it's a good value for the amount
> of information.  It's nice to have a consistent navigation app to take with
> when chartering, since chart plotters can vary widely, and it's also good
> to have multiple sources of information in addition to chart books / paper
> charts.  To avoid draining my cell battery for a nav app, I primarily use
> the app on an iPod touch enclosed in a waterproof case that is bluetooth
> paired to a Bad Elf GPS, and then I attach the iPod to my forearm with a
> fitness arm band so it's always available and I don't have to worry about
> dropping it.
>
> When I look back at a track over a day, I've noticed that my top speed on
> Navionics tends to be higher than seems practical (on my R22 as well as
> other boats).  Do you find this to be the case?
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 10:37 AM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> > I use the Navionics app on my iPad (and iPhone as backup). Since Garmin
> now
> > owns Navionics, you can also access active captain to find local
> services.
> >
> >  The iPad is attached to the starboard bulkhead handrail via a ram mount
> > system with an adjustable arm so I can change the angle. Glare on the
> > screen is the biggest issue with using a tablet or phone for navigation.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:01 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > See attached.  Other similar options available.   Sits on galley or
> > cockpit
> > > seat without sliding, I think.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 2:49 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Lee and Chris,
> > > >  I have downloaded Boatspeed for 99c and will give it a try tomorrow!
> > > > Anyone found a good method for holding/ displaying your iPhone while
> > > > sailing without it baking or ending up in the drink? I am thinking
> of a
> > > > kind of suction cup  phone holder to put on the bulkhead?
> > > > Graham Parker
> > > > sv.00Sailin
> > > >
> > > > > On Oct 10, 2021, at 13:31, Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have used "boatspeed" for the last 1,000 nm on Enosis this summer
> > and
> > > > it
> > > > > works fine.  There is a bit of mental interpolation as you get a
> > > slightly
> > > > > different speed every couple of seconds.  But it has been spot on
> for
> > > > > planning and sail adjustments.
> > > > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > > > Enosis
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:15 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it works
> > on a
> > > > >> iPhone too.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder that
> > > could
> > > > >>> attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Graham
> > > > >>> sv.00Sailin
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> -------------- next part --------------
> > > > >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > > > >> URL: <
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211010/fab11844/attachment.jpg
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > -------------- next part --------------
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> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211010/83d11f44/attachment.jpg
> > > >
> > >
> > --
> > Michael Riter
> > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > mike at traildesign.com
> > 678-410-8021
> >
>
-- 
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 16:04:45 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 15:04:45 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
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The first screenshot from Navionics from a windy day sailing my R22 on
Milford Lake in Kansas.  While we had some lively sailing, the max speed of
6.4 knots exceeds anything I recall seeing on the knot meter.

Similarly, on a windy last day of chartering an Island Packet 440 coming
back across Bellingham Bay from San Juan Islands, a max speed of 15.9 knots
was recorded.  The max speed on the knot meter was 7.4 and the SOG
according to the GPS on the chart plotter was a little over 9, so there was
some current pushing us but nothing crazy.

I made the mistake of opening Navionics while I was riding in a car so my
max speed recorded is over 61 knots :)

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 1:38 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> I haven?t noticed Navionics returning a higher speed than what would be
> reasonable. Then again anytime I see a speed over 3 knots I?m elated. So if
> the app is misleading me, then I?m ok with that. ?
>
> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:16 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Mike, I use Navionics as well.  I think it's a good value for the
> amount
> > of information.  It's nice to have a consistent navigation app to take
> with
> > when chartering, since chart plotters can vary widely, and it's also good
> > to have multiple sources of information in addition to chart books /
> paper
> > charts.  To avoid draining my cell battery for a nav app, I primarily use
> > the app on an iPod touch enclosed in a waterproof case that is bluetooth
> > paired to a Bad Elf GPS, and then I attach the iPod to my forearm with a
> > fitness arm band so it's always available and I don't have to worry about
> > dropping it.
> >
> > When I look back at a track over a day, I've noticed that my top speed on
> > Navionics tends to be higher than seems practical (on my R22 as well as
> > other boats).  Do you find this to be the case?
> >
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 10:37 AM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > I use the Navionics app on my iPad (and iPhone as backup). Since Garmin
> > now
> > > owns Navionics, you can also access active captain to find local
> > services.
> > >
> > >  The iPad is attached to the starboard bulkhead handrail via a ram
> mount
> > > system with an adjustable arm so I can change the angle. Glare on the
> > > screen is the biggest issue with using a tablet or phone for
> navigation.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:01 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > See attached.  Other similar options available.   Sits on galley or
> > > cockpit
> > > > seat without sliding, I think.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 2:49 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Lee and Chris,
> > > > >  I have downloaded Boatspeed for 99c and will give it a try
> tomorrow!
> > > > > Anyone found a good method for holding/ displaying your iPhone
> while
> > > > > sailing without it baking or ending up in the drink? I am thinking
> > of a
> > > > > kind of suction cup  phone holder to put on the bulkhead?
> > > > > Graham Parker
> > > > > sv.00Sailin
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Oct 10, 2021, at 13:31, Chris Geankoplis <
> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have used "boatspeed" for the last 1,000 nm on Enosis this
> summer
> > > and
> > > > > it
> > > > > > works fine.  There is a bit of mental interpolation as you get a
> > > > slightly
> > > > > > different speed every couple of seconds.  But it has been spot on
> > for
> > > > > > planning and sail adjustments.
> > > > > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > > > > Enosis
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:15 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it
> works
> > > on a
> > > > > >> iPhone too.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>>>
> > > > > >>>> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>> Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder
> that
> > > > could
> > > > > >>> attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Graham
> > > > > >>> sv.00Sailin
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>>
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211010/fab11844/attachment.jpg
> > > > > >>>
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> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > > --
> > > Michael Riter
> > > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > > mike at traildesign.com
> > > 678-410-8021
> > >
> >
> --
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021
>
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 19:59:06 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 19:59:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fqExbrZx5NtDXKibKkJveuYh4qGq1fG+EEB_36spofgvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fqExbrZx5NtDXKibKkJveuYh4qGq1fG+EEB_36spofgvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <407E8CD3-E583-49AF-A9BB-5C67058E40F3@gmail.com>

I can?t find it at the moment, but I once turned on Navionics at the start of a flight and recorded a top speed of over 400 knots!

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The first screenshot from Navionics from a windy day sailing my R22 on
> Milford Lake in Kansas.  While we had some lively sailing, the max speed of
> 6.4 knots exceeds anything I recall seeing on the knot meter.
> 
> Similarly, on a windy last day of chartering an Island Packet 440 coming
> back across Bellingham Bay from San Juan Islands, a max speed of 15.9 knots
> was recorded.  The max speed on the knot meter was 7.4 and the SOG
> according to the GPS on the chart plotter was a little over 9, so there was
> some current pushing us but nothing crazy.
> 
> I made the mistake of opening Navionics while I was riding in a car so my
> max speed recorded is over 61 knots :)
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 1:38 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I haven?t noticed Navionics returning a higher speed than what would be
>> reasonable. Then again anytime I see a speed over 3 knots I?m elated. So if
>> the app is misleading me, then I?m ok with that. ?
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:16 PM Jesse Shumaker <
>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Mike, I use Navionics as well.  I think it's a good value for the
>> amount
>>> of information.  It's nice to have a consistent navigation app to take
>> with
>>> when chartering, since chart plotters can vary widely, and it's also good
>>> to have multiple sources of information in addition to chart books /
>> paper
>>> charts.  To avoid draining my cell battery for a nav app, I primarily use
>>> the app on an iPod touch enclosed in a waterproof case that is bluetooth
>>> paired to a Bad Elf GPS, and then I attach the iPod to my forearm with a
>>> fitness arm band so it's always available and I don't have to worry about
>>> dropping it.
>>> 
>>> When I look back at a track over a day, I've noticed that my top speed on
>>> Navionics tends to be higher than seems practical (on my R22 as well as
>>> other boats).  Do you find this to be the case?
>>> 
>>> Jesse Shumaker
>>> S/V Zephyr
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 10:37 AM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I use the Navionics app on my iPad (and iPhone as backup). Since Garmin
>>> now
>>>> owns Navionics, you can also access active captain to find local
>>> services.
>>>> 
>>>> The iPad is attached to the starboard bulkhead handrail via a ram
>> mount
>>>> system with an adjustable arm so I can change the angle. Glare on the
>>>> screen is the biggest issue with using a tablet or phone for
>> navigation.
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:01 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> See attached.  Other similar options available.   Sits on galley or
>>>> cockpit
>>>>> seat without sliding, I think.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 2:49 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks Lee and Chris,
>>>>>> I have downloaded Boatspeed for 99c and will give it a try
>> tomorrow!
>>>>>> Anyone found a good method for holding/ displaying your iPhone
>> while
>>>>>> sailing without it baking or ending up in the drink? I am thinking
>>> of a
>>>>>> kind of suction cup  phone holder to put on the bulkhead?
>>>>>> Graham Parker
>>>>>> sv.00Sailin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2021, at 13:31, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have used "boatspeed" for the last 1,000 nm on Enosis this
>> summer
>>>> and
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> works fine.  There is a bit of mental interpolation as you get a
>>>>> slightly
>>>>>>> different speed every couple of seconds.  But it has been spot on
>>> for
>>>>>>> planning and sail adjustments.
>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:15 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it
>> works
>>>> on a
>>>>>>>> iPhone too.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder
>> that
>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>>>> sv.00Sailin
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Michael Riter
>>>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
>>>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
>>>> mike at traildesign.com
>>>> 678-410-8021
>>>> 
>>> 
>> --
>> Michael Riter
>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
>> mike at traildesign.com
>> 678-410-8021
>> 
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 20:03:06 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 20:03:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-xc=5WUvrDYj=KTtwHqqHt9Op0w9mFpXmZjxGViCL-Dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-xc=5WUvrDYj=KTtwHqqHt9Op0w9mFpXmZjxGViCL-Dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCDDA623-A269-4BFB-AF86-886420744037@gmail.com>

I?m curious as to the suspected source of water in bilges or lazarettes .  Both of mine are dry (thankfully!)

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> 
> ?+1 on the Velcro. My lazarette is a catch all for extra lines, fenders,
> spare anchor etc. The Velcro allows the pump to move rather than break if
> some like the anchor slides into it.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:01 PM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm looking for the thickness before I drill the mounting screws for the
>> pump. I want to mount it in the lazarette in the lowest location on the
>> centerline. The discharge will be above the water line.
>> 
>> --
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 20:08:52 2021
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 20:08:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <FCDDA623-A269-4BFB-AF86-886420744037@gmail.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-xc=5WUvrDYj=KTtwHqqHt9Op0w9mFpXmZjxGViCL-Dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <FCDDA623-A269-4BFB-AF86-886420744037@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPQvPRp3tw1R9WZedWSpUDTR-RmKCn_fu1m3NBsnd5qiWJiFkw@mail.gmail.com>

It could be the caulk around one of the cockpit drains has failed. Or the
drain hoses or connections in the laz.
CarY Tolbert
S/V Whisper '86

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 8:03 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I?m curious as to the suspected source of water in bilges or lazarettes .
> Both of mine are dry (thankfully!)
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 11, 2021, at 11:44 AM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?+1 on the Velcro. My lazarette is a catch all for extra lines, fenders,
> > spare anchor etc. The Velcro allows the pump to move rather than break if
> > some like the anchor slides into it.
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 6:01 PM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm looking for the thickness before I drill the mounting screws for the
> >> pump. I want to mount it in the lazarette in the lowest location on the
> >> centerline. The discharge will be above the water line.
> >>
> >> --
> > Michael Riter
> > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > mike at traildesign.com
> > 678-410-8021
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 21:11:48 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 20:11:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Speed monitoring
In-Reply-To: <407E8CD3-E583-49AF-A9BB-5C67058E40F3@gmail.com>
References: <CAMc-3fqExbrZx5NtDXKibKkJveuYh4qGq1fG+EEB_36spofgvA@mail.gmail.com>
 <407E8CD3-E583-49AF-A9BB-5C67058E40F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fo=DvRKBb2hd=HqqzW=6mDL8zmmp76g2gMTpgTc45K82A@mail.gmail.com>

You've got us all beat at 400 knots!

On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 6:59 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can?t find it at the moment, but I once turned on Navionics at the start
> of a flight and recorded a top speed of over 400 knots!
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 11, 2021, at 4:05 PM, Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?The first screenshot from Navionics from a windy day sailing my R22 on
> > Milford Lake in Kansas.  While we had some lively sailing, the max speed
> of
> > 6.4 knots exceeds anything I recall seeing on the knot meter.
> >
> > Similarly, on a windy last day of chartering an Island Packet 440 coming
> > back across Bellingham Bay from San Juan Islands, a max speed of 15.9
> knots
> > was recorded.  The max speed on the knot meter was 7.4 and the SOG
> > according to the GPS on the chart plotter was a little over 9, so there
> was
> > some current pushing us but nothing crazy.
> >
> > I made the mistake of opening Navionics while I was riding in a car so my
> > max speed recorded is over 61 knots :)
> >
> >> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021, 1:38 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I haven?t noticed Navionics returning a higher speed than what would be
> >> reasonable. Then again anytime I see a speed over 3 knots I?m elated.
> So if
> >> the app is misleading me, then I?m ok with that. ?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 2:16 PM Jesse Shumaker <
> >> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Mike, I use Navionics as well.  I think it's a good value for the
> >> amount
> >>> of information.  It's nice to have a consistent navigation app to take
> >> with
> >>> when chartering, since chart plotters can vary widely, and it's also
> good
> >>> to have multiple sources of information in addition to chart books /
> >> paper
> >>> charts.  To avoid draining my cell battery for a nav app, I primarily
> use
> >>> the app on an iPod touch enclosed in a waterproof case that is
> bluetooth
> >>> paired to a Bad Elf GPS, and then I attach the iPod to my forearm with
> a
> >>> fitness arm band so it's always available and I don't have to worry
> about
> >>> dropping it.
> >>>
> >>> When I look back at a track over a day, I've noticed that my top speed
> on
> >>> Navionics tends to be higher than seems practical (on my R22 as well as
> >>> other boats).  Do you find this to be the case?
> >>>
> >>> Jesse Shumaker
> >>> S/V Zephyr
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 11, 2021 at 10:37 AM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I use the Navionics app on my iPad (and iPhone as backup). Since
> Garmin
> >>> now
> >>>> owns Navionics, you can also access active captain to find local
> >>> services.
> >>>>
> >>>> The iPad is attached to the starboard bulkhead handrail via a ram
> >> mount
> >>>> system with an adjustable arm so I can change the angle. Glare on the
> >>>> screen is the biggest issue with using a tablet or phone for
> >> navigation.
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 3:01 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> See attached.  Other similar options available.   Sits on galley or
> >>>> cockpit
> >>>>> seat without sliding, I think.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 2:49 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks Lee and Chris,
> >>>>>> I have downloaded Boatspeed for 99c and will give it a try
> >> tomorrow!
> >>>>>> Anyone found a good method for holding/ displaying your iPhone
> >> while
> >>>>>> sailing without it baking or ending up in the drink? I am thinking
> >>> of a
> >>>>>> kind of suction cup  phone holder to put on the bulkhead?
> >>>>>> Graham Parker
> >>>>>> sv.00Sailin
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Oct 10, 2021, at 13:31, Chris Geankoplis <
> >>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have used "boatspeed" for the last 1,000 nm on Enosis this
> >> summer
> >>>> and
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> works fine.  There is a bit of mental interpolation as you get a
> >>>>> slightly
> >>>>>>> different speed every couple of seconds.  But it has been spot on
> >>> for
> >>>>>>> planning and sail adjustments.
> >>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>>>>>> Enosis
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021 at 1:15 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> See attached.   Best I found for an Android but I  think it
> >> works
> >>>> on a
> >>>>>>>> iPhone too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Oct 10, 2021, 11:14 AM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Does anyone use their iPhone for monitoring sailing speed?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Which app. works best and has anyone found a iPhone holder
> >> that
> >>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>> attach easily near my compass on the bulkhead?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Graham
> >>>>>>>>> sv.00Sailin
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg
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> >>>>>>>> URL: <
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211010/fab11844/attachment.jpg
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211010/83d11f44/attachment.jpg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Michael Riter
> >>>> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> >>>> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> >>>> mike at traildesign.com
> >>>> 678-410-8021
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Michael Riter
> >> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> >> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> >> mike at traildesign.com
> >> 678-410-8021
> >>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Oct 11 21:11:33 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 18:11:33 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
Message-ID: <E1ma6KL-009kSe-J5@s152.servername.online>

I've never had any water in my lazarette.  I get water in my bilge via a leaky deck/hull joint when I bury the rail.  With more experience, I find that I do less and less of that.  What water I do get in the bilge, I remove with a sponge.  

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-10-11, at 20:03:06 EDT, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> I?m curious as to the suspected source of water in bilges or lazarettes .  Both 
> of mine are dry (thankfully!) 
> 
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Oct 12 04:37:02 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 08:37:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <E1ma6KL-009kSe-J5@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1ma6KL-009kSe-J5@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920484533804AF9F0A5762980B69@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Michael,

I get water in the lazarette if the cockpit seat drains get clogged with leaves, acorns, or maple seeds and there is a heavy rain.  When the rain water fills up the drain channels in the cockpit seats, the water can overflow into the lazarette.  Depending on the fore/aft trim of the boat, the rain water can also overflow the drain channels at the companionway hatch and get into the cabin and the bilge.  It?s very important to check the cockpit seat drains frequently and keep them clear.

I have had water get into in the lazarette when we buried the leeward gunnel, got some water in the cockpit, and tacked before all the water had drained out.  When we came about, the water sloshed over the lazarette hatch cover and some got into the compartment.

You can also get some leakage into the lazarette if you get pooped by a wave from the stern.

I?ve never had enough leakage to make me want to install a bilge pump in the lazarette.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2021 9:12 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness

I've never had any water in my lazarette.  I get water in my bilge via a leaky deck/hull joint when I bury the rail.  With more experience, I find that I do less and less of that.  What water I do get in the bilge, I remove with a sponge.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-10-11, at 20:03:06 EDT, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> I?m curious as to the suspected source of water in bilges or lazarettes .  Both
> of mine are dry (thankfully!)
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>


From allynb at adsne.com  Tue Oct 12 05:10:08 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 09:10:08 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
Message-ID: <D720925C-B385-4DF2-8982-B0C0A7EC1ABB@adsne.com>

I?ve had my R22 two years now, and there is so much I like about it. The year I bought it, I learned to race on it and always came in last. I know it?s not a racing boat, but I bought it to do camping with my wife - for cruising and camping under the stars with the cockpit bed, it can?t be beat. 

This year, I raced almost every Wednesday and Sunday. We have a fair number of boats in Oklahoma City, but there is usually only 12-15 boats that race Wednesday and maybe 6-8 Sunday. 

I have the only R22, and the only boat I can beat is the Catalina 22 (without factoring in PHRF - just raw time). There is usually quite a gap between my R22 and the boat in front, which is often a Capri 22. I?ve TLE?d more than I want to admit. 

Without buying a second boat, is there anything I can do to be more competitive? I did a bottom job after I bought it and used 4 coats of epoxy and then used ablative (not the best choice for racing, but I did ask around the club for advice before going this route), but I?m not about to redo that. I may have to grin and bear it. 

The boat does have the IMF. One thing I?ve battled a lot is the headsail when it?s furled - it?s baggy around the middle section, and the rear stays are taut. I try to keep it unfurled as much as I can, but the wind here is often too gusty. 18-20 mph with gusts around 30. 

Is it possible, given these parameters to knock 20+ seconds off the PHRF?

Thanks, all. 
Allyn

From allynb at adsne.com  Tue Oct 12 05:31:15 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 09:31:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing in 18-20 mph wind speed with gusts
Message-ID: <2778A98A-6571-47E7-AA5C-CC73942E9403@adsne.com>

I?d say 10% of the time we race at Lake Hefner, the wind is blowing 18-20 mph with gusts in mid to upper 20s and sometimes lower 30?s. I reef the sails a lot to prevent being over powered, but I?ve noticed my R22 points about 10-12 degrees off of where it normally would with the sails completely unfurled. I?ve made about every trim adjustment I can think of, but going upwind is very challenging. I should add that I?m solo 1/2 the time.

The boat will do 4 knots upwind and 6.5+ broad reach, but the extra distance kills the time. I?m planning on replacing the starboard rudder head with stainless or aluminum this winter as I can feel a lot of flex, and I?m sure that is part of the problem. Is there anything else that can be done to improve pointing in higher winds?

Thanks again
Allyn



From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 06:48:32 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 06:48:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmeOV_Rn-AOtQL9rVVQ8ouo+o3Y+hG6-mr4TK0kbHOyRg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Allyn,
I haven't raced my R 22, but have had it for 2 seasons also. Here are some
things which come to mind:

New sails. Maybe a 130% jib for the breezier days.

Use a whisker pole downwind and broad reaching. I use a twist lock
fiberglass pole from the hardware store with a boat hook fitting on one
end, which fits in the clew and a ss spring clamp to a padeye on the mast.

 Rail meat. More is better.

Make sure the IMF is factored in your PHRF rating. Here it is 6 seconds a
mile.

Find crew who is an experienced racer who can help with wind shifts and
rules at the mark.

Good Luck!

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 06:50:29 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 06:50:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
In-Reply-To: <D720925C-B385-4DF2-8982-B0C0A7EC1ABB@adsne.com>
References: <D720925C-B385-4DF2-8982-B0C0A7EC1ABB@adsne.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjeiOT0uu333j14rF-1wGmyV7B5yV9QQHSFC924MgzG=jw@mail.gmail.com>

When Doyle made my new genoas they added a luff pad which helps maintain
the shape as you reef.  My wife doesn't like to heel so even though I don't
race this was a good addition.  It can be added to an existing sail as well.


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 5:10 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I?ve had my R22 two years now, and there is so much I like about it. The
> year I bought it, I learned to race on it and always came in last. I know
> it?s not a racing boat, but I bought it to do camping with my wife - for
> cruising and camping under the stars with the cockpit bed, it can?t be
> beat.
>
> This year, I raced almost every Wednesday and Sunday. We have a fair
> number of boats in Oklahoma City, but there is usually only 12-15 boats
> that race Wednesday and maybe 6-8 Sunday.
>
> I have the only R22, and the only boat I can beat is the Catalina 22
> (without factoring in PHRF - just raw time). There is usually quite a gap
> between my R22 and the boat in front, which is often a Capri 22. I?ve TLE?d
> more than I want to admit.
>
> Without buying a second boat, is there anything I can do to be more
> competitive? I did a bottom job after I bought it and used 4 coats of epoxy
> and then used ablative (not the best choice for racing, but I did ask
> around the club for advice before going this route), but I?m not about to
> redo that. I may have to grin and bear it.
>
> The boat does have the IMF. One thing I?ve battled a lot is the headsail
> when it?s furled - it?s baggy around the middle section, and the rear stays
> are taut. I try to keep it unfurled as much as I can, but the wind here is
> often too gusty. 18-20 mph with gusts around 30.
>
> Is it possible, given these parameters to knock 20+ seconds off the PHRF?
>
> Thanks, all.
> Allyn

From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 06:52:05 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 06:52:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmmeOV_Rn-AOtQL9rVVQ8ouo+o3Y+hG6-mr4TK0kbHOyRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmeOV_Rn-AOtQL9rVVQ8ouo+o3Y+hG6-mr4TK0kbHOyRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjczy6+OsHAHRhh12X45J2_phN3oa5tw9jVHcDbrEQ+JjA@mail.gmail.com>

Ditto on the 130.  It is the best sail for the boat.


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 6:48 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Allyn,
> I haven't raced my R 22, but have had it for 2 seasons also. Here are some
> things which come to mind:
>
> New sails. Maybe a 130% jib for the breezier days.
>
> Use a whisker pole downwind and broad reaching. I use a twist lock
> fiberglass pole from the hardware store with a boat hook fitting on one
> end, which fits in the clew and a ss spring clamp to a padeye on the mast.
>
>  Rail meat. More is better.
>
> Make sure the IMF is factored in your PHRF rating. Here it is 6 seconds a
> mile.
>
> Find crew who is an experienced racer who can help with wind shifts and
> rules at the mark.
>
> Good Luck!
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From allynb at adsne.com  Tue Oct 12 08:41:09 2021
From: allynb at adsne.com (Allyn Baskerville)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 12:41:09 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjczy6+OsHAHRhh12X45J2_phN3oa5tw9jVHcDbrEQ+JjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmeOV_Rn-AOtQL9rVVQ8ouo+o3Y+hG6-mr4TK0kbHOyRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_Fjczy6+OsHAHRhh12X45J2_phN3oa5tw9jVHcDbrEQ+JjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41B6DC05-3E22-4A47-84CE-DE7FF00F749D@adsne.com>

Thanks for the feedback. I believe the jib is a 155, and I can?t pull it tight - the clew hits the winch. I?ll look into a 130. 

Check on the whisker pole. I recently purchased one but haven?t installed the padeye yet. 

I asked our PHRF committee if they took the IMF and furling jib into account, and they said they did. My boat is rated at 258 on the lake. 

Regarding experienced crew, I often times had someone lined up to crew, but he wasn?t the most reliable. I think he didn?t shoe more than he showed. I didn?t race with my daughter and son-in-law a few times, and that was great. 

Thanks for the input. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:52 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Ditto on the 130.  It is the best sail for the boat.
> 
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 6:48 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Allyn,
>> I haven't raced my R 22, but have had it for 2 seasons also. Here are some
>> things which come to mind:
>> 
>> New sails. Maybe a 130% jib for the breezier days.
>> 
>> Use a whisker pole downwind and broad reaching. I use a twist lock
>> fiberglass pole from the hardware store with a boat hook fitting on one
>> end, which fits in the clew and a ss spring clamp to a padeye on the mast.
>> 
>> Rail meat. More is better.
>> 
>> Make sure the IMF is factored in your PHRF rating. Here it is 6 seconds a
>> mile.
>> 
>> Find crew who is an experienced racer who can help with wind shifts and
>> rules at the mark.
>> 
>> Good Luck!
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>> 732-236-1368
>> 

From sea20 at verizon.net  Tue Oct 12 09:14:44 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 09:14:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjeiOT0uu333j14rF-1wGmyV7B5yV9QQHSFC924MgzG=jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOo_FjeiOT0uu333j14rF-1wGmyV7B5yV9QQHSFC924MgzG=jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49C22118-55DE-4CD6-BAAF-2578A91394F8@verizon.net>

Greetings all, Allyn, I experienced the same thing recently while sailing sailing in heavy wind (15-20 with gusts) I was unable to point very high and got better speed on a beam or broad reach. I assumed it was my lack of experience but I wondered if it was sail trim or something with the rudder. 
Scott A. 86? Rhodes22 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 6:50 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?When Doyle made my new genoas they added a luff pad which helps maintain
> the shape as you reef.  My wife doesn't like to heel so even though I don't
> race this was a good addition.  It can be added to an existing sail as well.
> 
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 5:10 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve had my R22 two years now, and there is so much I like about it. The
>> year I bought it, I learned to race on it and always came in last. I know
>> it?s not a racing boat, but I bought it to do camping with my wife - for
>> cruising and camping under the stars with the cockpit bed, it can?t be
>> beat.
>> 
>> This year, I raced almost every Wednesday and Sunday. We have a fair
>> number of boats in Oklahoma City, but there is usually only 12-15 boats
>> that race Wednesday and maybe 6-8 Sunday.
>> 
>> I have the only R22, and the only boat I can beat is the Catalina 22
>> (without factoring in PHRF - just raw time). There is usually quite a gap
>> between my R22 and the boat in front, which is often a Capri 22. I?ve TLE?d
>> more than I want to admit.
>> 
>> Without buying a second boat, is there anything I can do to be more
>> competitive? I did a bottom job after I bought it and used 4 coats of epoxy
>> and then used ablative (not the best choice for racing, but I did ask
>> around the club for advice before going this route), but I?m not about to
>> redo that. I may have to grin and bear it.
>> 
>> The boat does have the IMF. One thing I?ve battled a lot is the headsail
>> when it?s furled - it?s baggy around the middle section, and the rear stays
>> are taut. I try to keep it unfurled as much as I can, but the wind here is
>> often too gusty. 18-20 mph with gusts around 30.
>> 
>> Is it possible, given these parameters to knock 20+ seconds off the PHRF?
>> 
>> Thanks, all.
>> Allyn


From cjkellygirls at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 09:35:54 2021
From: cjkellygirls at gmail.com (Crystal Kelly)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 09:35:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
In-Reply-To: <D720925C-B385-4DF2-8982-B0C0A7EC1ABB@adsne.com>
References: <D720925C-B385-4DF2-8982-B0C0A7EC1ABB@adsne.com>
Message-ID: <CAF6z0NbWPqqk5i-FACS5bXFBh9M=FzRf7Vh99L7t6epG6SNGvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Not an answer to your racing question but can you tell me more about the
cockpit bed?  What accessories are needed for that addition?

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 5:10 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I?ve had my R22 two years now, and there is so much I like about it. The
> year I bought it, I learned to race on it and always came in last. I know
> it?s not a racing boat, but I bought it to do camping with my wife - for
> cruising and camping under the stars with the cockpit bed, it can?t be
> beat.
>
> This year, I raced almost every Wednesday and Sunday. We have a fair
> number of boats in Oklahoma City, but there is usually only 12-15 boats
> that race Wednesday and maybe 6-8 Sunday.
>
> I have the only R22, and the only boat I can beat is the Catalina 22
> (without factoring in PHRF - just raw time). There is usually quite a gap
> between my R22 and the boat in front, which is often a Capri 22. I?ve TLE?d
> more than I want to admit.
>
> Without buying a second boat, is there anything I can do to be more
> competitive? I did a bottom job after I bought it and used 4 coats of epoxy
> and then used ablative (not the best choice for racing, but I did ask
> around the club for advice before going this route), but I?m not about to
> redo that. I may have to grin and bear it.
>
> The boat does have the IMF. One thing I?ve battled a lot is the headsail
> when it?s furled - it?s baggy around the middle section, and the rear stays
> are taut. I try to keep it unfurled as much as I can, but the wind here is
> often too gusty. 18-20 mph with gusts around 30.
>
> Is it possible, given these parameters to knock 20+ seconds off the PHRF?
>
> Thanks, all.
> Allyn



-- 
Crystal Kelly, MSW, CD (DONA)
(828) 773-8744
cjkellygirls at gmail.com

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 11:06:00 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 11:06:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
In-Reply-To: <D720925C-B385-4DF2-8982-B0C0A7EC1ABB@adsne.com>
References: <D720925C-B385-4DF2-8982-B0C0A7EC1ABB@adsne.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Z5vP3gjFv-VzYQrxkjkhkaetb1AdngPV+Bge5DrMA-JQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Allyn,

Do you also have the diamond board?  Besides the IMF, that's the biggest
problem pointing high.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 5:10 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I?ve had my R22 two years now, and there is so much I like about it. The
> year I bought it, I learned to race on it and always came in last. I know
> it?s not a racing boat, but I bought it to do camping with my wife - for
> cruising and camping under the stars with the cockpit bed, it can?t be
> beat.
>
> This year, I raced almost every Wednesday and Sunday. We have a fair
> number of boats in Oklahoma City, but there is usually only 12-15 boats
> that race Wednesday and maybe 6-8 Sunday.
>
> I have the only R22, and the only boat I can beat is the Catalina 22
> (without factoring in PHRF - just raw time). There is usually quite a gap
> between my R22 and the boat in front, which is often a Capri 22. I?ve TLE?d
> more than I want to admit.
>
> Without buying a second boat, is there anything I can do to be more
> competitive? I did a bottom job after I bought it and used 4 coats of epoxy
> and then used ablative (not the best choice for racing, but I did ask
> around the club for advice before going this route), but I?m not about to
> redo that. I may have to grin and bear it.
>
> The boat does have the IMF. One thing I?ve battled a lot is the headsail
> when it?s furled - it?s baggy around the middle section, and the rear stays
> are taut. I try to keep it unfurled as much as I can, but the wind here is
> often too gusty. 18-20 mph with gusts around 30.
>
> Is it possible, given these parameters to knock 20+ seconds off the PHRF?
>
> Thanks, all.
> Allyn

From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 11:53:30 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 11:53:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Simple Cockpit Bed
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjczX5KzOUyTG_qNuk30_u4_JU=UQp3WjmqM4M--gf__Lw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOo_FjczX5KzOUyTG_qNuk30_u4_JU=UQp3WjmqM4M--gf__Lw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjdFH7Wqgkz1EWdqbj_BjoZai8KXtvWgfPRCqKLickx5ag@mail.gmail.com>

See below a photo of my very simple cockpit bed.  I cut 3 sheets of 1/4"
plywood to lock between the seats and fill the footwell.  The port cockpit
cushion stays in place, the starboard cushion slides over next to it and
the stern cushion goes alongside the starboard cushion to finish the bed.
When not in use, the boards live in the v berth under the cushions so they
are out of the way until you need them.  It takes seconds to set up or take
down.  The forward board has a cut out to fit around the centerboard cleat.


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 12:08:15 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 11:08:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Simple Cockpit Bed
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Hi Crystal,

Here's a summary of a similar project:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2019-November/083844.html

The photos on my original post were lost since they were on nabble (before
I learned that I should post via email instead), but you can see photos of
the planks both installed and stowed on the second page of the attached
document.

Since I put that together, I added some additional small risers under the
planks when stowing them so they stay above any water on the cockpit sole.

If it's buggy out, I'll drape a big mosquito net over the bimini and that
makes for a large comfortable bug free zone for sleeping.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 10:53 AM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:

> See below a photo of my very simple cockpit bed.  I cut 3 sheets of 1/4"
> plywood to lock between the seats and fill the footwell.  The port cockpit
> cushion stays in place, the starboard cushion slides over next to it and
> the stern cushion goes alongside the starboard cushion to finish the bed.
> When not in use, the boards live in the v berth under the cushions so they
> are out of the way until you need them.  It takes seconds to set up or take
> down.  The forward board has a cut out to fit around the centerboard cleat.
>
>
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
>
> *Needham, MA*
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From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Tue Oct 12 13:19:31 2021
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 17:19:31 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fwd: Simple Cockpit Bed
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjdFH7Wqgkz1EWdqbj_BjoZai8KXtvWgfPRCqKLickx5ag@mail.gmail.com>
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Looks nice. Couple questions. 
1- how do you lock it in place? Is there a lip to set in the seat groove?
2- 1/4? sounds pretty thin. Especially if the sleeping person is close to 200#

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman


> On Oct 12, 2021, at 10:53 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?See below a photo of my very simple cockpit bed.  I cut 3 sheets of 1/4"
> plywood to lock between the seats and fill the footwell.  The port cockpit
> cushion stays in place, the starboard cushion slides over next to it and
> the stern cushion goes alongside the starboard cushion to finish the bed.
> When not in use, the boards live in the v berth under the cushions so they
> are out of the way until you need them.  It takes seconds to set up or take
> down.  The forward board has a cut out to fit around the centerboard cleat.
> 
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 16:03:38 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 16:03:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing in 18-20 mph wind speed with gusts
In-Reply-To: <2778A98A-6571-47E7-AA5C-CC73942E9403@adsne.com>
References: <2778A98A-6571-47E7-AA5C-CC73942E9403@adsne.com>
Message-ID: <88487B24-8881-4284-96C6-A547685FC128@gmail.com>

Allyn,

I envy your problem.  On Allatoona Lake here in Georgia we rarely see as much as 10 knots of wind and often have to cancel races due to lack of sufficient wind.  I once had a family of ducks swimming laps around my boat during a ?race?!

That said, do you put your IMF main in the lower position when the wind is up?  That will lower the center of effort and help the boat sail flatter.  

Michael McKay
s/v Liber

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2021, at 5:31 AM, Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I?d say 10% of the time we race at Lake Hefner, the wind is blowing 18-20 mph with gusts in mid to upper 20s and sometimes lower 30?s. I reef the sails a lot to prevent being over powered, but I?ve noticed my R22 points about 10-12 degrees off of where it normally would with the sails completely unfurled. I?ve made about every trim adjustment I can think of, but going upwind is very challenging. I should add that I?m solo 1/2 the time.
> 
> The boat will do 4 knots upwind and 6.5+ broad reach, but the extra distance kills the time. I?m planning on replacing the starboard rudder head with stainless or aluminum this winter as I can feel a lot of flex, and I?m sure that is part of the problem. Is there anything else that can be done to improve pointing in higher winds?
> 
> Thanks again
> Allyn
> 
> 

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 17:55:14 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 17:55:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
In-Reply-To: <D720925C-B385-4DF2-8982-B0C0A7EC1ABB@adsne.com>
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Allyn,

I don't race so take this for what it"s worth.  I also don't pay much
attention to my speed if I'm going downwind although I do use wing-on-wing
and a whisker pole and raise the centerboard.

I spend most of my time trying to go faster into the wind.  I look at the
knot meter and then make small adjustments to try to gain speed.

Jeff"s advice about real meat is extremely important.  Only so much you can
do if single handling.  Usually I start losing speed if heeling more than
25 degrees.  Always depends on the wind, point-of-sail, current,
adjustments, wife's mood. etc.

Stan says if the wind is more than 28 knots it's time to unfurl the iron
genny, but he's a better sailor than I.  If the wind is above 20 knots I
can't make any headway.  If you search the archives under Lee and
spreadsheet you'll find a post about sailing 3.5 knots at 40 degrees into
the wind in heavy chop.  Wasn't much headsail in use.

I love the 175 Genoa but I don't believe it helps much with speed unless
you're headed downwind with a whisker pole.  On a reach it takes 3 knots of
wind to inflate the monster and starts to slow you down in a 5 knot wind.
But she sure is pretty.  And how many boats do you see flying a headsail
twice the size of their main?

Few will agree but the owner of J-Boats will confirm.  You can go a little
faster into the wind in certain conditions if you raise the centerboard.
The keel alone will produce enough lift and you'll have less drag.  You
won"t make as much headway but you may not need to.

Good luck!

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA






On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 5:10 AM Allyn Baskerville <allynb at adsne.com> wrote:

> I?ve had my R22 two years now, and there is so much I like about it. The
> year I bought it, I learned to race on it and always came in last. I know
> it?s not a racing boat, but I bought it to do camping with my wife - for
> cruising and camping under the stars with the cockpit bed, it can?t be
> beat.
>
> This year, I raced almost every Wednesday and Sunday. We have a fair
> number of boats in Oklahoma City, but there is usually only 12-15 boats
> that race Wednesday and maybe 6-8 Sunday.
>
> I have the only R22, and the only boat I can beat is the Catalina 22
> (without factoring in PHRF - just raw time). There is usually quite a gap
> between my R22 and the boat in front, which is often a Capri 22. I?ve TLE?d
> more than I want to admit.
>
> Without buying a second boat, is there anything I can do to be more
> competitive? I did a bottom job after I bought it and used 4 coats of epoxy
> and then used ablative (not the best choice for racing, but I did ask
> around the club for advice before going this route), but I?m not about to
> redo that. I may have to grin and bear it.
>
> The boat does have the IMF. One thing I?ve battled a lot is the headsail
> when it?s furled - it?s baggy around the middle section, and the rear stays
> are taut. I try to keep it unfurled as much as I can, but the wind here is
> often too gusty. 18-20 mph with gusts around 30.
>
> Is it possible, given these parameters to knock 20+ seconds off the PHRF?
>
> Thanks, all.
> Allyn

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 18:44:09 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2021 18:44:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmnTW1F1d-os8VZuC8-_5e6e9VLuxroa9w4WHTYwpeEc_Q@mail.gmail.com>

For Racing.
Keep crew amidships and out of the cockpit. Even the helms person should be
as forward as possible. If racing, take everything non essential off the
boat. Especially in the ends. Forward cushions can usually be removed.
Check your PHRF rules; how many anchors and rhodes are required? For
successful racers all weight aboard is the enemy! Especially in the ends.
Think about your bow mounted anchor and the rhode in the lazarette. Success
in racing  involves a ton of small improvements.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 11:57:11 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 11:57:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmnTW1F1d-os8VZuC8-_5e6e9VLuxroa9w4WHTYwpeEc_Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Jeff,

I respectfully disagree with much of what you said about weight on the
boat.

The bow anchor and other weight forward, like the water tank, help with
pointing if you have IMF.  In winds 15kt+, two crew forward on the rail are
needed to keep the boat flat at all points of sail.  Reduce crew to minimum
allowed below 10kt.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 6:44 PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> For Racing.
> Keep crew amidships and out of the cockpit. Even the helms person should be
> as forward as possible. If racing, take everything non essential off the
> boat. Especially in the ends. Forward cushions can usually be removed.
> Check your PHRF rules; how many anchors and rhodes are required? For
> successful racers all weight aboard is the enemy! Especially in the ends.
> Think about your bow mounted anchor and the rhode in the lazarette. Success
> in racing  involves a ton of small improvements.
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 12:40:24 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 12:40:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
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I don't know anything about where the weight should be, but I  definitely
agree with making the boat as light as possible.  For having a keel the
Rhodes sails like a dinghy, or a big surfboard.

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 11:57 AM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff,
>
> I respectfully disagree with much of what you said about weight on the
> boat.
>
> The bow anchor and other weight forward, like the water tank, help with
> pointing if you have IMF.  In winds 15kt+, two crew forward on the rail are
> needed to keep the boat flat at all points of sail.  Reduce crew to minimum
> allowed below 10kt.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 6:44 PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > For Racing.
> > Keep crew amidships and out of the cockpit. Even the helms person should
> be
> > as forward as possible. If racing, take everything non essential off the
> > boat. Especially in the ends. Forward cushions can usually be removed.
> > Check your PHRF rules; how many anchors and rhodes are required? For
> > successful racers all weight aboard is the enemy! Especially in the ends.
> > Think about your bow mounted anchor and the rhode in the lazarette.
> Success
> > in racing  involves a ton of small improvements.
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Jeff Smith
> > www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> > 732-236-1368
> >
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Oct 13 14:05:14 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 18:05:14 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
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Hi All,

The Rhodes 22 sails fastest and points highest if it is sailed with as little heel as possible and a slightly bow down fore/aft trim.

The shape of the wetted surface of the hull becomes very asymmetric as the angle of heel increases.  Without going into the physics, this asymmetry tends to increase weather helm.  It also adds lots more drag with relatively little increase in lift to windward.  So, the hot setup is to sail as upright as possible.  Note, because of the tendency to increase weather helm as the boat heels over, it is desirable to have as much sail area as possible in the genoa.  This strategy keeps the center of effort (Ce) of the sailplan ahead of the center of lateral resistance (Cr) of the hull.  Adjust your IMF mainsail area to balance the helm while keeping the genoa area as big as possible for the conditions.  Use your genoa track lead position and backstay tension adjuster to adjust the shape of the genoa for the conditions.  Be ready to dump the mainsail first in gusts, followed by the genoa if necessary to keep the boat on her lines.  I like to dump the traveler to leeward; but, some people prefer to use the mainsheet.  My experience is the traveler responds faster and keeps the mainsail shape closer to optimum.  After the gust has past, the traveler allows you to trim the mainsail back in and working faster than the mainsheet.  If the traveler doesn?t dump enough wind; then, you can dump some genoa sheet.

The OEM standard roller furler doesn?t keep a good sail shape beyond the 1st few turns of the furling drum.  It loses luff tension and the point of maximum draft in the genoa moves too far aft.  This is true even if you move the genoa sheet lead position forward on the track.  ( As you should )  The resulting poor sail shape will dramatically affect your ability to point to windward.  It also narrows the ?groove? - the angle of attack between luffing and stalling the genoa, thus making the helmsman?s job more difficult. Therefore, you want to fly a genoa that is matched to your conditions.  That way, you will be able to fly it fully unfurled most of the time.  For your conditions, it sounds like the 130% genoa is the best compromise.

You need a slight bow down trim because the hull?s wetted surface aft of the fixed keel will start to act like a set of landing flaps on an airplane. There is so much wetted surface back there; that, the resulting drag is huge.  A slight bow down trim allows the flow to smoothly exit the stern with minimal drag.  However, be careful with too much bow down trim because you still need enough floatation and freeboard in the bow to be able to punch thru waves.  If the bow should happen to submarine; then, you?ve set yourself up to pitch pole.  That?s nearly always the start of a bad day on the water!

There is also some adjustment possible in the fore/aft rake angle of the mast.  Increasing the rake angle aft increases weather helm.  Since we are trying to decrease weather helm, we want to adjust the mast rake angle to give neutral helm or even a slight lee helm under light air.  Note, that this will make the boat?s steering less intuitive for a novice helmsman.  But, we are talking about a racing setup here and presumably an experienced helmsman.  Between the mast rake angle and the genoa/mainsail area distribution, you want the boat to have virtually no tendency to round up until the leeward rail is in the water.  This will keep you climbing to windward as much as possible.  

Note that these adjustments are counter to conventional sail rig tuning wisdom.  But, like Stan always says, ?When it comes to the Rhodes 22, it pays to not listen to the experts!?

If they have assigned you a PHRF rating of => ~260 sec/nm, your bottom is clean, the rig is adjusted properly, and your sails are in good condition; then, your poor results are on you, not the boat.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 13, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Jeff,
> 
> I respectfully disagree with much of what you said about weight on the
> boat.
> 
> The bow anchor and other weight forward, like the water tank, help with
> pointing if you have IMF.  In winds 15kt+, two crew forward on the rail are
> needed to keep the boat flat at all points of sail.  Reduce crew to minimum
> allowed below 10kt.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 6:44 PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> For Racing.
>> Keep crew amidships and out of the cockpit. Even the helms person should be
>> as forward as possible. If racing, take everything non essential off the
>> boat. Especially in the ends. Forward cushions can usually be removed.
>> Check your PHRF rules; how many anchors and rhodes are required? For
>> successful racers all weight aboard is the enemy! Especially in the ends.
>> Think about your bow mounted anchor and the rhode in the lazarette. Success
>> in racing  involves a ton of small improvements.
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3454bf61f84d4b34485708d98e623854%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637697374780002617%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=A7ANCpfbBXa8TMH51Alw054OI4j%2FVME5sJcEAPDJlK4%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> 732-236-1368
>> 

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 15:13:47 2021
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 15:13:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Switching from standard mast to IMF
Message-ID: <CAFTyJNVGXnRQ=8QRaKgym56pMMC-q+ye11K6umNF4gs6uPww-A@mail.gmail.com>

I have a 1990 R22 with a standard mast but may soon come into possession of
a 1989 IMF mast and wondering if anyone has ever switched and if so what
parts I would need to replace such as stays, mast base etc.. Thanks!

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 17:54:44 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 17:54:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
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Roger,

See attached.  When sailing on a close reach I typically balance the main
and Genoa so the helm is pretty neutral, but I've found that I can
sometimes go faster if I put out more Genoa which gives the boat lee helm.
Does that make sense?

On boats other than the Rhodes, can't you sail closest to the wind when
your sheets are pulled as tight as possible?  To have the angle of attack
hit both sails evenly on our boats, wouldn't you need to run the Genoa
sheets between the mast and inside shroud?

Thanks.

Lee

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:05 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The Rhodes 22 sails fastest and points highest if it is sailed with as
> little heel as possible and a slightly bow down fore/aft trim.
>
> The shape of the wetted surface of the hull becomes very asymmetric as the
> angle of heel increases.  Without going into the physics, this asymmetry
> tends to increase weather helm.  It also adds lots more drag with
> relatively little increase in lift to windward.  So, the hot setup is to
> sail as upright as possible.  Note, because of the tendency to increase
> weather helm as the boat heels over, it is desirable to have as much sail
> area as possible in the genoa.  This strategy keeps the center of effort
> (Ce) of the sailplan ahead of the center of lateral resistance (Cr) of the
> hull.  Adjust your IMF mainsail area to balance the helm while keeping the
> genoa area as big as possible for the conditions.  Use your genoa track
> lead position and backstay tension adjuster to adjust the shape of the
> genoa for the conditions.  Be ready to dump the mainsail first in gusts,
> followed by the genoa if necessary to keep the boat on her lines.  I like
> to dump the traveler to leeward; but, some people prefer to use the
> mainsheet.  My experience is the traveler responds faster and keeps the
> mainsail shape closer to optimum.  After the gust has past, the traveler
> allows you to trim the mainsail back in and working faster than the
> mainsheet.  If the traveler doesn?t dump enough wind; then, you can dump
> some genoa sheet.
>
> The OEM standard roller furler doesn?t keep a good sail shape beyond the
> 1st few turns of the furling drum.  It loses luff tension and the point of
> maximum draft in the genoa moves too far aft.  This is true even if you
> move the genoa sheet lead position forward on the track.  ( As you should
> )  The resulting poor sail shape will dramatically affect your ability to
> point to windward.  It also narrows the ?groove? - the angle of attack
> between luffing and stalling the genoa, thus making the helmsman?s job more
> difficult. Therefore, you want to fly a genoa that is matched to your
> conditions.  That way, you will be able to fly it fully unfurled most of
> the time.  For your conditions, it sounds like the 130% genoa is the best
> compromise.
>
> You need a slight bow down trim because the hull?s wetted surface aft of
> the fixed keel will start to act like a set of landing flaps on an
> airplane. There is so much wetted surface back there; that, the resulting
> drag is huge.  A slight bow down trim allows the flow to smoothly exit the
> stern with minimal drag.  However, be careful with too much bow down trim
> because you still need enough floatation and freeboard in the bow to be
> able to punch thru waves.  If the bow should happen to submarine; then,
> you?ve set yourself up to pitch pole.  That?s nearly always the start of a
> bad day on the water!
>
> There is also some adjustment possible in the fore/aft rake angle of the
> mast.  Increasing the rake angle aft increases weather helm.  Since we are
> trying to decrease weather helm, we want to adjust the mast rake angle to
> give neutral helm or even a slight lee helm under light air.  Note, that
> this will make the boat?s steering less intuitive for a novice helmsman.
> But, we are talking about a racing setup here and presumably an experienced
> helmsman.  Between the mast rake angle and the genoa/mainsail area
> distribution, you want the boat to have virtually no tendency to round up
> until the leeward rail is in the water.  This will keep you climbing to
> windward as much as possible.
>
> Note that these adjustments are counter to conventional sail rig tuning
> wisdom.  But, like Stan always says, ?When it comes to the Rhodes 22, it
> pays to not listen to the experts!?
>
> If they have assigned you a PHRF rating of => ~260 sec/nm, your bottom is
> clean, the rig is adjusted properly, and your sails are in good condition;
> then, your poor results are on you, not the boat.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 13, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi Jeff,
> >
> > I respectfully disagree with much of what you said about weight on the
> > boat.
> >
> > The bow anchor and other weight forward, like the water tank, help with
> > pointing if you have IMF.  In winds 15kt+, two crew forward on the rail
> are
> > needed to keep the boat flat at all points of sail.  Reduce crew to
> minimum
> > allowed below 10kt.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 6:44 PM Jeff Smith Photo <
> jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> For Racing.
> >> Keep crew amidships and out of the cockpit. Even the helms person
> should be
> >> as forward as possible. If racing, take everything non essential off the
> >> boat. Especially in the ends. Forward cushions can usually be removed.
> >> Check your PHRF rules; how many anchors and rhodes are required? For
> >> successful racers all weight aboard is the enemy! Especially in the
> ends.
> >> Think about your bow mounted anchor and the rhode in the lazarette.
> Success
> >> in racing  involves a ton of small improvements.
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Jeff Smith
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3454bf61f84d4b34485708d98e623854%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637697374780002617%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=A7ANCpfbBXa8TMH51Alw054OI4j%2FVME5sJcEAPDJlK4%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> 732-236-1368
> >>
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Oct 13 19:29:28 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2021 23:29:28 +0000
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Hi Lee,

It all depends if your genoa size is > 100% .  If the genoa is greater than 100%; then, it must go outside of the spreader.  This means the sheets run outside of the lifelines.  The maximum you can trim the sail is such that the windward side of the sail is just off the tip of the spreader.  You don?t want to trim it in any tighter because the spreader tip will damage the sail in pretty short order.  That?s where the term ?close hauled? come from ? you have hauled or trimmed the sail as close to the spreader tip as you dare.

If the genoa is < 100%; then you would switch to the inboard genoa tracks that run along the side decks.  Now the foresail can be trimmed in tighter, with the limit usually being rubbing up against the forward lower sidestay.

On a beat or a close reach, the genoa usually operates in cleaner, faster air vs the mainsail.  Since the thrust generated by a sail goes up as the [wind speed]^2, think of your genoa as the primary engine.  That?s why your boat went a little faster when you put out more genoa.  Despite the name, the mainsail?s primary function is to balance the sailplan so the helm is close to neutral or even with a little lee helm.

The Rhodes 22 is unusual among production boats in that it is possible to adjust the feel of the helm from lee to neutral to weather.  Most boats have built-in weather helm because it is thought to be safer and you are stuck with it.

Because of the slot effect, it is not desirable to run the genoa and the mainsail at the same angle of attack vs the wind.  In general, you want to establish your course 1st, then trim the genoa, and finally the mainsail.  The optimum mainsail trim will include slot effect interactions from the genoa.

Roger Pihlaja
ASM T767

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From: Lee Kuhn<mailto:lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:54 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster

Roger,

See attached.  When sailing on a close reach I typically balance the main
and Genoa so the helm is pretty neutral, but I've found that I can
sometimes go faster if I put out more Genoa which gives the boat lee helm.
Does that make sense?

On boats other than the Rhodes, can't you sail closest to the wind when
your sheets are pulled as tight as possible?  To have the angle of attack
hit both sails evenly on our boats, wouldn't you need to run the Genoa
sheets between the mast and inside shroud?

Thanks.

Lee

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:05 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The Rhodes 22 sails fastest and points highest if it is sailed with as
> little heel as possible and a slightly bow down fore/aft trim.
>
> The shape of the wetted surface of the hull becomes very asymmetric as the
> angle of heel increases.  Without going into the physics, this asymmetry
> tends to increase weather helm.  It also adds lots more drag with
> relatively little increase in lift to windward.  So, the hot setup is to
> sail as upright as possible.  Note, because of the tendency to increase
> weather helm as the boat heels over, it is desirable to have as much sail
> area as possible in the genoa.  This strategy keeps the center of effort
> (Ce) of the sailplan ahead of the center of lateral resistance (Cr) of the
> hull.  Adjust your IMF mainsail area to balance the helm while keeping the
> genoa area as big as possible for the conditions.  Use your genoa track
> lead position and backstay tension adjuster to adjust the shape of the
> genoa for the conditions.  Be ready to dump the mainsail first in gusts,
> followed by the genoa if necessary to keep the boat on her lines.  I like
> to dump the traveler to leeward; but, some people prefer to use the
> mainsheet.  My experience is the traveler responds faster and keeps the
> mainsail shape closer to optimum.  After the gust has past, the traveler
> allows you to trim the mainsail back in and working faster than the
> mainsheet.  If the traveler doesn?t dump enough wind; then, you can dump
> some genoa sheet.
>
> The OEM standard roller furler doesn?t keep a good sail shape beyond the
> 1st few turns of the furling drum.  It loses luff tension and the point of
> maximum draft in the genoa moves too far aft.  This is true even if you
> move the genoa sheet lead position forward on the track.  ( As you should
> )  The resulting poor sail shape will dramatically affect your ability to
> point to windward.  It also narrows the ?groove? - the angle of attack
> between luffing and stalling the genoa, thus making the helmsman?s job more
> difficult. Therefore, you want to fly a genoa that is matched to your
> conditions.  That way, you will be able to fly it fully unfurled most of
> the time.  For your conditions, it sounds like the 130% genoa is the best
> compromise.
>
> You need a slight bow down trim because the hull?s wetted surface aft of
> the fixed keel will start to act like a set of landing flaps on an
> airplane. There is so much wetted surface back there; that, the resulting
> drag is huge.  A slight bow down trim allows the flow to smoothly exit the
> stern with minimal drag.  However, be careful with too much bow down trim
> because you still need enough floatation and freeboard in the bow to be
> able to punch thru waves.  If the bow should happen to submarine; then,
> you?ve set yourself up to pitch pole.  That?s nearly always the start of a
> bad day on the water!
>
> There is also some adjustment possible in the fore/aft rake angle of the
> mast.  Increasing the rake angle aft increases weather helm.  Since we are
> trying to decrease weather helm, we want to adjust the mast rake angle to
> give neutral helm or even a slight lee helm under light air.  Note, that
> this will make the boat?s steering less intuitive for a novice helmsman.
> But, we are talking about a racing setup here and presumably an experienced
> helmsman.  Between the mast rake angle and the genoa/mainsail area
> distribution, you want the boat to have virtually no tendency to round up
> until the leeward rail is in the water.  This will keep you climbing to
> windward as much as possible.
>
> Note that these adjustments are counter to conventional sail rig tuning
> wisdom.  But, like Stan always says, ?When it comes to the Rhodes 22, it
> pays to not listen to the experts!?
>
> If they have assigned you a PHRF rating of => ~260 sec/nm, your bottom is
> clean, the rig is adjusted properly, and your sails are in good condition;
> then, your poor results are on you, not the boat.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 13, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi Jeff,
> >
> > I respectfully disagree with much of what you said about weight on the
> > boat.
> >
> > The bow anchor and other weight forward, like the water tank, help with
> > pointing if you have IMF.  In winds 15kt+, two crew forward on the rail
> are
> > needed to keep the boat flat at all points of sail.  Reduce crew to
> minimum
> > allowed below 10kt.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 6:44 PM Jeff Smith Photo <
> jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> For Racing.
> >> Keep crew amidships and out of the cockpit. Even the helms person
> should be
> >> as forward as possible. If racing, take everything non essential off the
> >> boat. Especially in the ends. Forward cushions can usually be removed.
> >> Check your PHRF rules; how many anchors and rhodes are required? For
> >> successful racers all weight aboard is the enemy! Especially in the
> ends.
> >> Think about your bow mounted anchor and the rhode in the lazarette.
> Success
> >> in racing  involves a ton of small improvements.
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Jeff Smith
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C0a52e2a84dc74b6d3d4008d98e940ff1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637697588859362564%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=Fe0lr9vueOSjdphfxORC0Uc0wS3cojmwxVlF91Wb%2BN0%3D&amp;reserved=0
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 08:17:33 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 08:17:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Switching from standard mast to IMF
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I put the IMF mast from my '87 onto my non IMF '83 back in 2012.  I used
the shrouds from the '87.  I have learned recently that the forestay was
too short and the mast did not have the correct rake creating lee helm. I
would recommend using stainless straps to lengthen the forestay as
necessary if it is not adjustable.


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore (formerly Carol Lee 2)*

*Needham, MA*



On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 3:14 PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:

> I have a 1990 R22 with a standard mast but may soon come into possession of
> a 1989 IMF mast and wondering if anyone has ever switched and if so what
> parts I would need to replace such as stays, mast base etc.. Thanks!
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Oct 14 09:14:26 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 13:14:26 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
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Hi Lee,

I have 2 comments about your photo.


  1.  You have obviously got the helm balanced as the boat is steering herself!
  2.  The control lines for your traveler should not be coiled up around the traveler bar whenever you are flying the mainsail.  The picture illustrates one way to stow them;  but, they are not ready to use.  If you need to quickly dump the mainsail, you have no choice but to use the mainsheet.

I don?t know what point of sail you were on.  But, if it was close hauled or a close reach, you would find the boat would go faster if you pulled the traveler to windward and then adjusted the mainsheet such that the aft end of the boom was just to leeward of the centerline.  Given the rise on the boom, it doesn?t look like your boat has a boom vang or you had it slacked off.  If you have a boom vang, it needed to be trimmed down tight until you set the traveler and mainsheet.  Then, you would slowly slack off the boom vang until you had the desired amount of twist in the upper mainsail.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 7:29 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster

Hi Lee,

It all depends if your genoa size is > 100% .  If the genoa is greater than 100%; then, it must go outside of the spreader.  This means the sheets run outside of the lifelines.  The maximum you can trim the sail is such that the windward side of the sail is just off the tip of the spreader.  You don?t want to trim it in any tighter because the spreader tip will damage the sail in pretty short order.  That?s where the term ?close hauled? come from ? you have hauled or trimmed the sail as close to the spreader tip as you dare.

If the genoa is < 100%; then you would switch to the inboard genoa tracks that run along the side decks.  Now the foresail can be trimmed in tighter, with the limit usually being rubbing up against the forward lower sidestay.

On a beat or a close reach, the genoa usually operates in cleaner, faster air vs the mainsail.  Since the thrust generated by a sail goes up as the [wind speed]^2, think of your genoa as the primary engine.  That?s why your boat went a little faster when you put out more genoa.  Despite the name, the mainsail?s primary function is to balance the sailplan so the helm is close to neutral or even with a little lee helm.

The Rhodes 22 is unusual among production boats in that it is possible to adjust the feel of the helm from lee to neutral to weather.  Most boats have built-in weather helm because it is thought to be safer and you are stuck with it.

Because of the slot effect, it is not desirable to run the genoa and the mainsail at the same angle of attack vs the wind.  In general, you want to establish your course 1st, then trim the genoa, and finally the mainsail.  The optimum mainsail trim will include slot effect interactions from the genoa.

Roger Pihlaja
ASM T767

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From: Lee Kuhn<mailto:lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:54 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster

Roger,

See attached.  When sailing on a close reach I typically balance the main
and Genoa so the helm is pretty neutral, but I've found that I can
sometimes go faster if I put out more Genoa which gives the boat lee helm.
Does that make sense?

On boats other than the Rhodes, can't you sail closest to the wind when
your sheets are pulled as tight as possible?  To have the angle of attack
hit both sails evenly on our boats, wouldn't you need to run the Genoa
sheets between the mast and inside shroud?

Thanks.

Lee

On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:05 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The Rhodes 22 sails fastest and points highest if it is sailed with as
> little heel as possible and a slightly bow down fore/aft trim.
>
> The shape of the wetted surface of the hull becomes very asymmetric as the
> angle of heel increases.  Without going into the physics, this asymmetry
> tends to increase weather helm.  It also adds lots more drag with
> relatively little increase in lift to windward.  So, the hot setup is to
> sail as upright as possible.  Note, because of the tendency to increase
> weather helm as the boat heels over, it is desirable to have as much sail
> area as possible in the genoa.  This strategy keeps the center of effort
> (Ce) of the sailplan ahead of the center of lateral resistance (Cr) of the
> hull.  Adjust your IMF mainsail area to balance the helm while keeping the
> genoa area as big as possible for the conditions.  Use your genoa track
> lead position and backstay tension adjuster to adjust the shape of the
> genoa for the conditions.  Be ready to dump the mainsail first in gusts,
> followed by the genoa if necessary to keep the boat on her lines.  I like
> to dump the traveler to leeward; but, some people prefer to use the
> mainsheet.  My experience is the traveler responds faster and keeps the
> mainsail shape closer to optimum.  After the gust has past, the traveler
> allows you to trim the mainsail back in and working faster than the
> mainsheet.  If the traveler doesn?t dump enough wind; then, you can dump
> some genoa sheet.
>
> The OEM standard roller furler doesn?t keep a good sail shape beyond the
> 1st few turns of the furling drum.  It loses luff tension and the point of
> maximum draft in the genoa moves too far aft.  This is true even if you
> move the genoa sheet lead position forward on the track.  ( As you should
> )  The resulting poor sail shape will dramatically affect your ability to
> point to windward.  It also narrows the ?groove? - the angle of attack
> between luffing and stalling the genoa, thus making the helmsman?s job more
> difficult. Therefore, you want to fly a genoa that is matched to your
> conditions.  That way, you will be able to fly it fully unfurled most of
> the time.  For your conditions, it sounds like the 130% genoa is the best
> compromise.
>
> You need a slight bow down trim because the hull?s wetted surface aft of
> the fixed keel will start to act like a set of landing flaps on an
> airplane. There is so much wetted surface back there; that, the resulting
> drag is huge.  A slight bow down trim allows the flow to smoothly exit the
> stern with minimal drag.  However, be careful with too much bow down trim
> because you still need enough floatation and freeboard in the bow to be
> able to punch thru waves.  If the bow should happen to submarine; then,
> you?ve set yourself up to pitch pole.  That?s nearly always the start of a
> bad day on the water!
>
> There is also some adjustment possible in the fore/aft rake angle of the
> mast.  Increasing the rake angle aft increases weather helm.  Since we are
> trying to decrease weather helm, we want to adjust the mast rake angle to
> give neutral helm or even a slight lee helm under light air.  Note, that
> this will make the boat?s steering less intuitive for a novice helmsman.
> But, we are talking about a racing setup here and presumably an experienced
> helmsman.  Between the mast rake angle and the genoa/mainsail area
> distribution, you want the boat to have virtually no tendency to round up
> until the leeward rail is in the water.  This will keep you climbing to
> windward as much as possible.
>
> Note that these adjustments are counter to conventional sail rig tuning
> wisdom.  But, like Stan always says, ?When it comes to the Rhodes 22, it
> pays to not listen to the experts!?
>
> If they have assigned you a PHRF rating of => ~260 sec/nm, your bottom is
> clean, the rig is adjusted properly, and your sails are in good condition;
> then, your poor results are on you, not the boat.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 13, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi Jeff,
> >
> > I respectfully disagree with much of what you said about weight on the
> > boat.
> >
> > The bow anchor and other weight forward, like the water tank, help with
> > pointing if you have IMF.  In winds 15kt+, two crew forward on the rail
> are
> > needed to keep the boat flat at all points of sail.  Reduce crew to
> minimum
> > allowed below 10kt.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rick Lange
> >
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 6:44 PM Jeff Smith Photo <
> jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> For Racing.
> >> Keep crew amidships and out of the cockpit. Even the helms person
> should be
> >> as forward as possible. If racing, take everything non essential off the
> >> boat. Especially in the ends. Forward cushions can usually be removed.
> >> Check your PHRF rules; how many anchors and rhodes are required? For
> >> successful racers all weight aboard is the enemy! Especially in the
> ends.
> >> Think about your bow mounted anchor and the rhode in the lazarette.
> Success
> >> in racing  involves a ton of small improvements.
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Jeff Smith
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3351b5ff9ee947e4895708d98ea14f44%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637697645746981243%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=l7E6YB%2BDS7Mk3H0x1RoYIyPEgbpo%2FHe113isMqp7%2BDg%3D&amp;reserved=0
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Oct 14 10:40:42 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 14:40:42 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Switching from standard mast to IMF
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Mitch and Stephen,

The standard mainsail has more roach vs the IMF mainsail.  If you drew a straight line from the head to the clew on the mainsail, the sail area aft of this line is called the roach.  Roach sail area requires battens to prevent it from curling to leeward.  Since IMF mainsails have no battens, they can?t have much roach.  Since the roach sail area is at the aft edge of the mainsail, it?s presence in the standard mainsail tends to move the Ce of the sail plan aft, thus increasing weather helm.  All else being equal, the IMF mainsail would need to have more mast rake to compensate for the lack of roach and restore neutral helm.  ( i.e. needs a longer forestay )  If you used a standard mainsail forestay with an IMF mainsail, this analysis would predict lee helm, exactly what you experienced.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

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> On Oct 14, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I put the IMF mast from my '87 onto my non IMF '83 back in 2012.  I used
> the shrouds from the '87.  I have learned recently that the forestay was
> too short and the mast did not have the correct rake creating lee helm. I
> would recommend using stainless straps to lengthen the forestay as
> necessary if it is not adjustable.
> 
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore (formerly Carol Lee 2)*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 3:14 PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a 1990 R22 with a standard mast but may soon come into possession of
>> a 1989 IMF mast and wondering if anyone has ever switched and if so what
>> parts I would need to replace such as stays, mast base etc.. Thanks!
>> 

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Oct 14 11:05:15 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 15:05:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Switching from standard mast to IMF
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Hi All,

It occurs to me that this standard mainsail to IMF mainsail switch is something that other owners might want to do.  We should document the factory forestay lengths to facilitate this switch.  For the record, the pin centerline to pin centerline distance on the forestay on my 1976 standard mainsail Rhodes 22 is 333.625 inches.  Would somebody with a factory installation of the IMF mainsail make the analogous measurement of their forestay?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Roger Pihlaja<mailto:ROGER_PIHLAJA at MSN.COM>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 10:40 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Switching from standard mast to IMF

Mitch and Stephen,

The standard mainsail has more roach vs the IMF mainsail.  If you drew a straight line from the head to the clew on the mainsail, the sail area aft of this line is called the roach.  Roach sail area requires battens to prevent it from curling to leeward.  Since IMF mainsails have no battens, they can?t have much roach.  Since the roach sail area is at the aft edge of the mainsail, it?s presence in the standard mainsail tends to move the Ce of the sail plan aft, thus increasing weather helm.  All else being equal, the IMF mainsail would need to have more mast rake to compensate for the lack of roach and restore neutral helm.  ( i.e. needs a longer forestay )  If you used a standard mainsail forestay with an IMF mainsail, this analysis would predict lee helm, exactly what you experienced.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?I put the IMF mast from my '87 onto my non IMF '83 back in 2012.  I used
> the shrouds from the '87.  I have learned recently that the forestay was
> too short and the mast did not have the correct rake creating lee helm. I
> would recommend using stainless straps to lengthen the forestay as
> necessary if it is not adjustable.
>
>
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore (formerly Carol Lee 2)*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
>
>
>> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 3:14 PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have a 1990 R22 with a standard mast but may soon come into possession of
>> a 1989 IMF mast and wondering if anyone has ever switched and if so what
>> parts I would need to replace such as stays, mast base etc.. Thanks!
>>


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 12:20:51 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:20:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
Message-ID: <D98152F7-4CB8-4FA5-9FA9-0512F4481B4D@gmail.com>

The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues prompts me to ask a question that?s been on my mind. 

My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to remove the headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my 130 for a working jib when appropriate for higher wind race days. 

I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I believe I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t have an extra sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share what your experience was?

Thanks,

Michael McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)

Sent from my iPhone

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 12:32:06 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:32:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
In-Reply-To: <D98152F7-4CB8-4FA5-9FA9-0512F4481B4D@gmail.com>
References: <D98152F7-4CB8-4FA5-9FA9-0512F4481B4D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36au-a9QVHRJ84bMRmXt0CQQu3veMwTpoxFJO+jUZWPO=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Michael,

You'll need a new forestay to accommodate the new foil.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:20 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues
> prompts me to ask a question that?s been on my mind.
>
> My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to
> remove the headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my
> 130 for a working jib when appropriate for higher wind race days.
>
> I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I
> believe I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t
> have an extra sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share
> what your experience was?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>
> Sent from my iPhone

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Oct 14 14:37:03 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 11:37:03 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
Message-ID: <E1mb5bD-007Q2e-Fb@s152.servername.online>

Michael,

I have the CDI.  I have no complaints, but I have no experience with any other furler.  

The CDI furler does not need or use a masthead sheave.  The sail raising and lowering process is self-contained.

There's an owner's manual for the CDI furler in the 'Document Library' section of rhodes22.org.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-10-14, at 12:20:51 EDT, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues prompts me 
> to ask a question that?s been on my mind. 
> 
> My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to remove the 
> headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my 130 for a working 
> jib when appropriate for higher wind race days. 
> 
> I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I believe 
> I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t have an extra 
> sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share what your 
> experience was? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Oct 14 15:32:47 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 19:32:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
In-Reply-To: <D98152F7-4CB8-4FA5-9FA9-0512F4481B4D@gmail.com>
References: <D98152F7-4CB8-4FA5-9FA9-0512F4481B4D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920A66A6041CDEE4040177280B89@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Michael,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has had a Harken Unit 0 roller furler since 1993.  If you are going to do this upgrade, get a roller furler that has the following features:


  1.  An aerodynamically shaped headfoil with twin luff grooves.
  2.  Independent upper and lower swivels
  3.  A low profile lower swivel assembly that doesn?t use up a lot of headsail luff length
  4.  Extensive use of Torlon ball &/or roller bearings throughout
  5.  An enclosed furling drum with a good fairlead to prevent furling control line snarls
  6.  Either an extruded, 1-piece, flexible, polymer headfoil or an extruded aluminum headfoil with individual, replaceable sections in case you damage one

Besides, the Harken roller furlers, there are many other quality units on the market that fulfill all these requirements.  I replaced my headstay as part of this project.  The Haken unit has been completely bulletproof and still spins as easily as a bicycle tire!  All the maintenance that?s required is an annual freshwater rinse for the bearings and the weekly anti spider flush on the furling drum.  Why do spiders like to build nests inside the furling drum?

Once you?ve installed the upgraded roller furler, you?re going to need a new headsail to take advantage of it.  Your new headsail should be:


  1.  Made of a composite material vs. dacron.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s 150% genoa is made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth.  Cruise-Lam sailcloth is a 5 layer composite consisting of outer skins of dacron for abrasion, UV, and flogging resistance, Kevlar scrims (think mesh), and an inner core of mylar.  It?s been completely bulletproof and the sail shape still looks great!
  2.  Constructed with Bi-Radial or Tri-Radial panel layout.  S/V Dynamic Equiibrium?s 150% genoa is made with Bi-Radial panel layout.  But, with improvements in CAD assisted panel layout in the time since I purchased mine, I would probably opt for a Tri-Radial panel layout if I purchased it today.
  3.  Either have UV protective acrylic panels ( i.e. Sunbrella) sewn into the foot and luff or use a UV protective Sunbrella sleeve that is hauled up the furled headsail using an extra halyard when you are not using it.  Since S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is rigged to fly a tri-radial spinnaker and has the spare halyard, my boat has the protective sleeve.  I think the protective sleeve does a better job of protecting the head of the furled sail and the upper swivel assembly from the elements.  The genoa cover is installed as part of getting the boat ready to leave at the dock similar to snapping on the mainsail cover and is removed and stowed as part of the process of getting the boat ready to get underway.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has a standard mainsail.  I choose the protective sleeve vs. the sewn-in panels to give the headsail better light air performance.  The sewn-in panels are heavy and can prevent the genoa from properly inflating in light air.
  4.  Has an appropriately sized luff tape that fits the grooves in your headsail foil
  5.  Has tensioning cords sewn into the foot and leach for fine adjustments of sail shape in the lower 1/3 of the sail and minimizing leech flutter
  6.  Has at least 3 windows sewn in up and down about 12 inches aft of the luff with windward/leeward tell tails sewn in
  7.  Has at least 3 leech tell tails sewn in up and down the sail
  8.  Has a foam luff pad and a sail shape that enables the upper and lower swivels to take up the extra draft as the sail is furled.  This feature is worthless unless your roller furler has upper and lower independent swivels.  But, it will dramatically increase the usable dynamic range of your roller furler.  In my opinion, without this feature, this project isn?t worth doing.

It?s an expensive project.  But, speed costs money.  How fast can you afford to go?  Yes, I know I?m out of control!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:21 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement

The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues prompts me to ask a question that?s been on my mind.

My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to remove the headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my 130 for a working jib when appropriate for higher wind race days.

I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I believe I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t have an extra sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share what your experience was?

Thanks,

Michael McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)

Sent from my iPhone


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Thu Oct 14 17:17:47 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:17:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920A66A6041CDEE4040177280B89@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Great write up Rodger.

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021, 2:32 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has had a Harken Unit 0 roller furler since 1993.
> If you are going to do this upgrade, get a roller furler that has the
> following features:
>
>
>   1.  An aerodynamically shaped headfoil with twin luff grooves.
>   2.  Independent upper and lower swivels
>   3.  A low profile lower swivel assembly that doesn?t use up a lot of
> headsail luff length
>   4.  Extensive use of Torlon ball &/or roller bearings throughout
>   5.  An enclosed furling drum with a good fairlead to prevent furling
> control line snarls
>   6.  Either an extruded, 1-piece, flexible, polymer headfoil or an
> extruded aluminum headfoil with individual, replaceable sections in case
> you damage one
>
> Besides, the Harken roller furlers, there are many other quality units on
> the market that fulfill all these requirements.  I replaced my headstay as
> part of this project.  The Haken unit has been completely bulletproof and
> still spins as easily as a bicycle tire!  All the maintenance that?s
> required is an annual freshwater rinse for the bearings and the weekly anti
> spider flush on the furling drum.  Why do spiders like to build nests
> inside the furling drum?
>
> Once you?ve installed the upgraded roller furler, you?re going to need a
> new headsail to take advantage of it.  Your new headsail should be:
>
>
>   1.  Made of a composite material vs. dacron.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s
> 150% genoa is made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth.
> Cruise-Lam sailcloth is a 5 layer composite consisting of outer skins of
> dacron for abrasion, UV, and flogging resistance, Kevlar scrims (think
> mesh), and an inner core of mylar.  It?s been completely bulletproof and
> the sail shape still looks great!
>   2.  Constructed with Bi-Radial or Tri-Radial panel layout.  S/V Dynamic
> Equiibrium?s 150% genoa is made with Bi-Radial panel layout.  But, with
> improvements in CAD assisted panel layout in the time since I purchased
> mine, I would probably opt for a Tri-Radial panel layout if I purchased it
> today.
>   3.  Either have UV protective acrylic panels ( i.e. Sunbrella) sewn into
> the foot and luff or use a UV protective Sunbrella sleeve that is hauled up
> the furled headsail using an extra halyard when you are not using it.
> Since S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is rigged to fly a tri-radial spinnaker and
> has the spare halyard, my boat has the protective sleeve.  I think the
> protective sleeve does a better job of protecting the head of the furled
> sail and the upper swivel assembly from the elements.  The genoa cover is
> installed as part of getting the boat ready to leave at the dock similar to
> snapping on the mainsail cover and is removed and stowed as part of the
> process of getting the boat ready to get underway.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> also has a standard mainsail.  I choose the protective sleeve vs. the
> sewn-in panels to give the headsail better light air performance.  The
> sewn-in panels are heavy and can prevent the genoa from properly inflating
> in light air.
>   4.  Has an appropriately sized luff tape that fits the grooves in your
> headsail foil
>   5.  Has tensioning cords sewn into the foot and leach for fine
> adjustments of sail shape in the lower 1/3 of the sail and minimizing leech
> flutter
>   6.  Has at least 3 windows sewn in up and down about 12 inches aft of
> the luff with windward/leeward tell tails sewn in
>   7.  Has at least 3 leech tell tails sewn in up and down the sail
>   8.  Has a foam luff pad and a sail shape that enables the upper and
> lower swivels to take up the extra draft as the sail is furled.  This
> feature is worthless unless your roller furler has upper and lower
> independent swivels.  But, it will dramatically increase the usable dynamic
> range of your roller furler.  In my opinion, without this feature, this
> project isn?t worth doing.
>
> It?s an expensive project.  But, speed costs money.  How fast can you
> afford to go?  Yes, I know I?m out of control!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:21 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
>
> The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues
> prompts me to ask a question that?s been on my mind.
>
> My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to
> remove the headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my
> 130 for a working jib when appropriate for higher wind race days.
>
> I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I
> believe I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t
> have an extra sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share
> what your experience was?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 17:34:42 2021
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 17:34:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Switching from standard mast to IMF
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References: <CAFTyJNVGXnRQ=8QRaKgym56pMMC-q+ye11K6umNF4gs6uPww-A@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_Fjf+x7F9PfAiGcT73PusB_j=JzUx1a8Z+YjgHWgthrkw5g@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks for the information. I do intend to replace the stays so hopefully
I'll be able to measure the old forestay etc.. It sounds like the mast base
is the same and I'm also going to be getting the older boom and mast lift
system as well as a new sail. Thanks agaion!

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 11:05 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> It occurs to me that this standard mainsail to IMF mainsail switch is
> something that other owners might want to do.  We should document the
> factory forestay lengths to facilitate this switch.  For the record, the
> pin centerline to pin centerline distance on the forestay on my 1976
> standard mainsail Rhodes 22 is 333.625 inches.  Would somebody with a
> factory installation of the IMF mainsail make the analogous measurement of
> their forestay?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Roger Pihlaja<mailto:ROGER_PIHLAJA at MSN.COM>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 10:40 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Switching from standard mast to IMF
>
> Mitch and Stephen,
>
> The standard mainsail has more roach vs the IMF mainsail.  If you drew a
> straight line from the head to the clew on the mainsail, the sail area aft
> of this line is called the roach.  Roach sail area requires battens to
> prevent it from curling to leeward.  Since IMF mainsails have no battens,
> they can?t have much roach.  Since the roach sail area is at the aft edge
> of the mainsail, it?s presence in the standard mainsail tends to move the
> Ce of the sail plan aft, thus increasing weather helm.  All else being
> equal, the IMF mainsail would need to have more mast rake to compensate for
> the lack of roach and restore neutral helm.  ( i.e. needs a longer forestay
> )  If you used a standard mainsail forestay with an IMF mainsail, this
> analysis would predict lee helm, exactly what you experienced.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 14, 2021, at 8:17 AM, Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?I put the IMF mast from my '87 onto my non IMF '83 back in 2012.  I used
> > the shrouds from the '87.  I have learned recently that the forestay was
> > too short and the mast did not have the correct rake creating lee helm. I
> > would recommend using stainless straps to lengthen the forestay as
> > necessary if it is not adjustable.
> >
> >
> > *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Pinafore (formerly Carol Lee 2)*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 3:14 PM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a 1990 R22 with a standard mast but may soon come into
> possession of
> >> a 1989 IMF mast and wondering if anyone has ever switched and if so what
> >> parts I would need to replace such as stays, mast base etc.. Thanks!
> >>
>
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 22:58:04 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 22:58:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920A66A6041CDEE4040177280B89@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Roger,

Thank you for this incredibly detailed advice.  I have a couple of follow up questions:

1) How can I add halyards?  My boat has the IMF and GB standard furler so there are no halyards.  I?m guessing I need to replace the masthead casting to do that?is that correct, and if so where would I go for that?

2) Who made your genoa for you?

Thank you for your many invaluable contributions to the R22 community!

Michael McKay
s/v Liber

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2021, at 3:32 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?Hi Michael,
> 
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has had a Harken Unit 0 roller furler since 1993.  If you are going to do this upgrade, get a roller furler that has the following features:
> 
> 
>  1.  An aerodynamically shaped headfoil with twin luff grooves.
>  2.  Independent upper and lower swivels
>  3.  A low profile lower swivel assembly that doesn?t use up a lot of headsail luff length
>  4.  Extensive use of Torlon ball &/or roller bearings throughout
>  5.  An enclosed furling drum with a good fairlead to prevent furling control line snarls
>  6.  Either an extruded, 1-piece, flexible, polymer headfoil or an extruded aluminum headfoil with individual, replaceable sections in case you damage one
> 
> Besides, the Harken roller furlers, there are many other quality units on the market that fulfill all these requirements.  I replaced my headstay as part of this project.  The Haken unit has been completely bulletproof and still spins as easily as a bicycle tire!  All the maintenance that?s required is an annual freshwater rinse for the bearings and the weekly anti spider flush on the furling drum.  Why do spiders like to build nests inside the furling drum?
> 
> Once you?ve installed the upgraded roller furler, you?re going to need a new headsail to take advantage of it.  Your new headsail should be:
> 
> 
>  1.  Made of a composite material vs. dacron.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s 150% genoa is made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth.  Cruise-Lam sailcloth is a 5 layer composite consisting of outer skins of dacron for abrasion, UV, and flogging resistance, Kevlar scrims (think mesh), and an inner core of mylar.  It?s been completely bulletproof and the sail shape still looks great!
>  2.  Constructed with Bi-Radial or Tri-Radial panel layout.  S/V Dynamic Equiibrium?s 150% genoa is made with Bi-Radial panel layout.  But, with improvements in CAD assisted panel layout in the time since I purchased mine, I would probably opt for a Tri-Radial panel layout if I purchased it today.
>  3.  Either have UV protective acrylic panels ( i.e. Sunbrella) sewn into the foot and luff or use a UV protective Sunbrella sleeve that is hauled up the furled headsail using an extra halyard when you are not using it.  Since S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is rigged to fly a tri-radial spinnaker and has the spare halyard, my boat has the protective sleeve.  I think the protective sleeve does a better job of protecting the head of the furled sail and the upper swivel assembly from the elements.  The genoa cover is installed as part of getting the boat ready to leave at the dock similar to snapping on the mainsail cover and is removed and stowed as part of the process of getting the boat ready to get underway.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has a standard mainsail.  I choose the protective sleeve vs. the sewn-in panels to give the headsail better light air performance.  The sewn-in panels are heavy and can prevent the genoa from properly inflating in light air.
>  4.  Has an appropriately sized luff tape that fits the grooves in your headsail foil
>  5.  Has tensioning cords sewn into the foot and leach for fine adjustments of sail shape in the lower 1/3 of the sail and minimizing leech flutter
>  6.  Has at least 3 windows sewn in up and down about 12 inches aft of the luff with windward/leeward tell tails sewn in
>  7.  Has at least 3 leech tell tails sewn in up and down the sail
>  8.  Has a foam luff pad and a sail shape that enables the upper and lower swivels to take up the extra draft as the sail is furled.  This feature is worthless unless your roller furler has upper and lower independent swivels.  But, it will dramatically increase the usable dynamic range of your roller furler.  In my opinion, without this feature, this project isn?t worth doing.
> 
> It?s an expensive project.  But, speed costs money.  How fast can you afford to go?  Yes, I know I?m out of control!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:21 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
> 
> The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues prompts me to ask a question that?s been on my mind.
> 
> My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to remove the headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my 130 for a working jib when appropriate for higher wind race days.
> 
> I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I believe I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t have an extra sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share what your experience was?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 23:02:19 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 23:02:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
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References: <E1mb5bD-007Q2e-Fb@s152.servername.online>
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Thanks Peter, I?ll look into this option. I didn?t realize it was possible to have a replaceable headsail without adding a halyard.  

Michael McKay
s/v Liber

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2021, at 2:37 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Michael,
> 
> I have the CDI.  I have no complaints, but I have no experience with any other furler.  
> 
> The CDI furler does not need or use a masthead sheave.  The sail raising and lowering process is self-contained.
> 
> There's an owner's manual for the CDI furler in the 'Document Library' section of rhodes22.org.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2021-10-14, at 12:20:51 EDT, Michael McKay wrote:
>> 
>> The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues prompts me 
>> to ask a question that?s been on my mind. 
>> 
>> My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to remove the 
>> headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my 130 for a working 
>> jib when appropriate for higher wind race days. 
>> 
>> I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I believe 
>> I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t have an extra 
>> sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share what your 
>> experience was? 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 23:17:34 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 23:17:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
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Thanks Rick, I thought that might be the case.  

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi Michael,
> 
> You'll need a new forestay to accommodate the new foil.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 12:20 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues
>> prompts me to ask a question that?s been on my mind.
>> 
>> My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to
>> remove the headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my
>> 130 for a working jib when appropriate for higher wind race days.
>> 
>> I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I
>> believe I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t
>> have an extra sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share
>> what your experience was?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Oct 15 07:40:41 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:40:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
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Michael,

Try Dwyer Aluminum Mast Co. (  https://www.dwyermast.com  )
The standard mast is a type DM-500 extrusion.  A masthead casting that fits the DM-500 extrusion with sufficient blocks for mainsail, genoa, and spinnaker halyards with a spinnaker crane would be the DH 1015.   I don?t know where Stan gets the IMF masts fabricated.  But, worldwide, there aren?t too many venders for these aluminum extrusions.  If you did a tracing of the cross section of the mast and got the dimensions, you could probably find the vender that made it.  Or, you could ask Stan if he has masthead castings for the IMF mast with blocks for extra halyards.  Isn?t there an optional spinnaker package from GBI?  If so, that might include the correct masthead casting.

The genoa was made by:

JSI
Also known as Johnson Sails, Inc or Island Nautical Enterprises, Inc.  The company has changed owners and locations in the Greater St. Petersburg area several times.  The most recent contact info I have for them is:

1000 30th Street S
St. Petersburg, FL 33702
(727) 577-3220
www.islandnautical.com<http://www.islandnautical.com>

They also made my fully battened mainsail and mainsail cover.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 10:58 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement

Roger,

Thank you for this incredibly detailed advice.  I have a couple of follow up questions:

1) How can I add halyards?  My boat has the IMF and GB standard furler so there are no halyards.  I?m guessing I need to replace the masthead casting to do that?is that correct, and if so where would I go for that?

2) Who made your genoa for you?

Thank you for your many invaluable contributions to the R22 community!

Michael McKay
s/v Liber

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2021, at 3:32 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?Hi Michael,
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has had a Harken Unit 0 roller furler since 1993.  If you are going to do this upgrade, get a roller furler that has the following features:
>
>
>  1.  An aerodynamically shaped headfoil with twin luff grooves.
>  2.  Independent upper and lower swivels
>  3.  A low profile lower swivel assembly that doesn?t use up a lot of headsail luff length
>  4.  Extensive use of Torlon ball &/or roller bearings throughout
>  5.  An enclosed furling drum with a good fairlead to prevent furling control line snarls
>  6.  Either an extruded, 1-piece, flexible, polymer headfoil or an extruded aluminum headfoil with individual, replaceable sections in case you damage one
>
> Besides, the Harken roller furlers, there are many other quality units on the market that fulfill all these requirements.  I replaced my headstay as part of this project.  The Harken unit has been completely bulletproof and still spins as easily as a bicycle tire!  All the maintenance that?s required is an annual freshwater rinse for the bearings and the weekly anti spider flush on the furling drum.  Why do spiders like to build nests inside the furling drum?
>
> Once you?ve installed the upgraded roller furler, you?re going to need a new headsail to take advantage of it.  Your new headsail should be:
>
>
>  1.  Made of a composite material vs. dacron.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s 150% genoa is made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth.  Cruise-Lam sailcloth is a 5 layer composite consisting of outer skins of dacron for abrasion, UV, and flogging resistance, Kevlar scrims (think mesh), and an inner core of mylar.  It?s been completely bulletproof and the sail shape still looks great!
>  2.  Constructed with Bi-Radial or Tri-Radial panel layout.  S/V Dynamic Equiibrium?s 150% genoa is made with Bi-Radial panel layout.  But, with improvements in CAD assisted panel layout in the time since I purchased mine, I would probably opt for a Tri-Radial panel layout if I purchased it today.
>  3.  Either have UV protective acrylic panels ( i.e. Sunbrella) sewn into the foot and leech or use a UV protective Sunbrella sleeve that is hauled up the furled headsail using an extra halyard when you are not using it.  Since S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is rigged to fly a tri-radial spinnaker and has the spare halyard, my boat has the protective sleeve.  I think the protective sleeve does a better job of protecting the head of the furled sail and the upper swivel assembly from the elements.  The genoa cover is installed as part of getting the boat ready to leave at the dock similar to snapping on the mainsail cover and is removed and stowed as part of the process of getting the boat ready to get underway.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has a standard mainsail.  I choose the protective sleeve vs. the sewn-in panels to give the headsail better light air performance.  The sewn-in panels are heavy and can prevent the genoa from properly inflating in light air.
>  4.  Has an appropriately sized luff tape that fits the grooves in your headsail foil
>  5.  Has tensioning cords sewn into the foot and leach for fine adjustments of sail shape in the lower 1/3 of the sail and minimizing leech flutter
>  6.  Has at least 3 windows sewn in up and down about 12 inches aft of the luff with windward/leeward tell tails sewn in
>  7.  Has at least 3 leech tell tails sewn in up and down the sail
>  8.  Has a foam luff pad and a sail shape that enables the upper and lower swivels to take up the extra draft as the sail is furled.  This feature is worthless unless your roller furler has upper and lower independent swivels.  But, it will dramatically increase the usable dynamic range of your roller furler.  In my opinion, without this feature, this project isn?t worth doing.
>
> It?s an expensive project.  But, speed costs money.  How fast can you afford to go?  Yes, I know I?m out of control!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C8619de560c7f4f55d44d08d98f87a004%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637698634958151327%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=WUvymb53VVLowhbYQxZuK31VIiENt2YGg7kbQVdTIVM%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
>
> From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:21 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
>
> The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues prompts me to ask a question that?s been on my mind.
>
> My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to remove the headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my 130 for a working jib when appropriate for higher wind race days.
>
> I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I believe I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t have an extra sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share what your experience was?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>
> Sent from my iPhone


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 07:46:39 2021
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 07:46:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmk6xdW3b3=H7_SuktE0TitQWWLMyc+iAEdKu2nfC=ySmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
I humbly bow to those who have experience racing the boat. I have none.
What Rick and Roger said makes sense.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Oct 15 08:21:19 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:21:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
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Michael,

I just checked on the Rhodes Owner?s Club parts website.  ( http://www.rhodes22parts.com/parts )   Here is Stan?s description of the IMF mast:


GB10          IMF MAST

                      A General Boats product only available for ROC members.

                      Includes:  GB  IMF extrusion with:

                      4 sheave mast top fitting with 2 upper shroud tangs,

                      Connections for jib and double back stays assembly.

                      SS spreader sockets with tangs for 4 lower shrouds.

                      Side cleats for specialty sails.

Note that the current mast top fitting includes 4 sheaves.  I did not see a separate listing for just the mast top fitting.  But, you should check to see if Stan will sell you one of the mast top fittings.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 7:40 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement

Michael,

Try Dwyer Aluminum Mast Co. (  https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dwyermast.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3edfca9008344da1c15908d98fd0a04b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637698948469704420%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=npoYgoVnFNxgEIxj9iznH5%2FF1Y1V0MqubW2WiaIxFIs%3D&amp;reserved=0  )
The standard mast is a type DM-500 extrusion.  A masthead casting that fits the DM-500 extrusion with sufficient blocks for mainsail, genoa, and spinnaker halyards with a spinnaker crane would be the DH 1015.   I don?t know where Stan gets the IMF masts fabricated.  But, worldwide, there aren?t too many venders for these aluminum extrusions.  If you did a tracing of the cross section of the mast and got the dimensions, you could probably find the vender that made it.  Or, you could ask Stan if he has masthead castings for the IMF mast with blocks for extra halyards.  Isn?t there an optional spinnaker package from GBI?  If so, that might include the correct masthead casting.

The genoa was made by:

JSI
Also known as Johnson Sails, Inc or Island Nautical Enterprises, Inc.  The company has changed owners and locations in the Greater St. Petersburg area several times.  The most recent contact info I have for them is:

1000 30th Street S
St. Petersburg, FL 33702
(727) 577-3220
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.islandnautical.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3edfca9008344da1c15908d98fd0a04b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637698948469704420%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=9AD6TTY27wW%2BuWyZqkJ5GCvxUai1akp10NAFxHzzqlw%3D&amp;reserved=0<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.islandnautical.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3edfca9008344da1c15908d98fd0a04b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637698948469704420%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=9AD6TTY27wW%2BuWyZqkJ5GCvxUai1akp10NAFxHzzqlw%3D&amp;reserved=0><https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.islandnautical.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3edfca9008344da1c15908d98fd0a04b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637698948469704420%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=9AD6TTY27wW%2BuWyZqkJ5GCvxUai1akp10NAFxHzzqlw%3D&amp;reserved=0%3chttps://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.islandnautical.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3edfca9008344da1c15908d98fd0a04b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637698948469704420%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=9AD6TTY27wW%2BuWyZqkJ5GCvxUai1akp10NAFxHzzqlw%3D&amp;reserved=0%3e>

They also made my fully battened mainsail and mainsail cover.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 10:58 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement

Roger,

Thank you for this incredibly detailed advice.  I have a couple of follow up questions:

1) How can I add halyards?  My boat has the IMF and GB standard furler so there are no halyards.  I?m guessing I need to replace the masthead casting to do that?is that correct, and if so where would I go for that?

2) Who made your genoa for you?

Thank you for your many invaluable contributions to the R22 community!

Michael McKay
s/v Liber

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2021, at 3:32 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?Hi Michael,
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has had a Harken Unit 0 roller furler since 1993.  If you are going to do this upgrade, get a roller furler that has the following features:
>
>
>  1.  An aerodynamically shaped headfoil with twin luff grooves.
>  2.  Independent upper and lower swivels
>  3.  A low profile lower swivel assembly that doesn?t use up a lot of headsail luff length
>  4.  Extensive use of Torlon ball &/or roller bearings throughout
>  5.  An enclosed furling drum with a good fairlead to prevent furling control line snarls
>  6.  Either an extruded, 1-piece, flexible, polymer headfoil or an extruded aluminum headfoil with individual, replaceable sections in case you damage one
>
> Besides, the Harken roller furlers, there are many other quality units on the market that fulfill all these requirements.  I replaced my headstay as part of this project.  The Harken unit has been completely bulletproof and still spins as easily as a bicycle tire!  All the maintenance that?s required is an annual freshwater rinse for the bearings and the weekly anti spider flush on the furling drum.  Why do spiders like to build nests inside the furling drum?
>
> Once you?ve installed the upgraded roller furler, you?re going to need a new headsail to take advantage of it.  Your new headsail should be:
>
>
>  1.  Made of a composite material vs. dacron.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s 150% genoa is made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth.  Cruise-Lam sailcloth is a 5 layer composite consisting of outer skins of dacron for abrasion, UV, and flogging resistance, Kevlar scrims (think mesh), and an inner core of mylar.  It?s been completely bulletproof and the sail shape still looks great!
>  2.  Constructed with Bi-Radial or Tri-Radial panel layout.  S/V Dynamic Equiibrium?s 150% genoa is made with Bi-Radial panel layout.  But, with improvements in CAD assisted panel layout in the time since I purchased mine, I would probably opt for a Tri-Radial panel layout if I purchased it today.
>  3.  Either have UV protective acrylic panels ( i.e. Sunbrella) sewn into the foot and leech or use a UV protective Sunbrella sleeve that is hauled up the furled headsail using an extra halyard when you are not using it.  Since S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is rigged to fly a tri-radial spinnaker and has the spare halyard, my boat has the protective sleeve.  I think the protective sleeve does a better job of protecting the head of the furled sail and the upper swivel assembly from the elements.  The genoa cover is installed as part of getting the boat ready to leave at the dock similar to snapping on the mainsail cover and is removed and stowed as part of the process of getting the boat ready to get underway.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has a standard mainsail.  I choose the protective sleeve vs. the sewn-in panels to give the headsail better light air performance.  The sewn-in panels are heavy and can prevent the genoa from properly inflating in light air.
>  4.  Has an appropriately sized luff tape that fits the grooves in your headsail foil
>  5.  Has tensioning cords sewn into the foot and leach for fine adjustments of sail shape in the lower 1/3 of the sail and minimizing leech flutter
>  6.  Has at least 3 windows sewn in up and down about 12 inches aft of the luff with windward/leeward tell tails sewn in
>  7.  Has at least 3 leech tell tails sewn in up and down the sail
>  8.  Has a foam luff pad and a sail shape that enables the upper and lower swivels to take up the extra draft as the sail is furled.  This feature is worthless unless your roller furler has upper and lower independent swivels.  But, it will dramatically increase the usable dynamic range of your roller furler.  In my opinion, without this feature, this project isn?t worth doing.
>
> It?s an expensive project.  But, speed costs money.  How fast can you afford to go?  Yes, I know I?m out of control!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3edfca9008344da1c15908d98fd0a04b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637698948469704420%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=Mhem2SjMXJu36Xyjx%2F4phQ0whfLhi%2BA2qi7atvRK0Lw%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
>
> From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:21 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
>
> The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues prompts me to ask a question that?s been on my mind.
>
> My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to remove the headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my 130 for a working jib when appropriate for higher wind race days.
>
> I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I believe I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t have an extra sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share what your experience was?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>
> Sent from my iPhone


From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 08:38:03 2021
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 08:38:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
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Thanks again Roger. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2021, at 7:40 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Michael,
> 
> Try Dwyer Aluminum Mast Co. (  https://www.dwyermast.com  )
> The standard mast is a type DM-500 extrusion.  A masthead casting that fits the DM-500 extrusion with sufficient blocks for mainsail, genoa, and spinnaker halyards with a spinnaker crane would be the DH 1015.   I don?t know where Stan gets the IMF masts fabricated.  But, worldwide, there aren?t too many venders for these aluminum extrusions.  If you did a tracing of the cross section of the mast and got the dimensions, you could probably find the vender that made it.  Or, you could ask Stan if he has masthead castings for the IMF mast with blocks for extra halyards.  Isn?t there an optional spinnaker package from GBI?  If so, that might include the correct masthead casting.
> 
> The genoa was made by:
> 
> JSI
> Also known as Johnson Sails, Inc or Island Nautical Enterprises, Inc.  The company has changed owners and locations in the Greater St. Petersburg area several times.  The most recent contact info I have for them is:
> 
> 1000 30th Street S
> St. Petersburg, FL 33702
> (727) 577-3220
> www.islandnautical.com<http://www.islandnautical.com>
> 
> They also made my fully battened mainsail and mainsail cover.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 10:58 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
> 
> Roger,
> 
> Thank you for this incredibly detailed advice.  I have a couple of follow up questions:
> 
> 1) How can I add halyards?  My boat has the IMF and GB standard furler so there are no halyards.  I?m guessing I need to replace the masthead casting to do that?is that correct, and if so where would I go for that?
> 
> 2) Who made your genoa for you?
> 
> Thank you for your many invaluable contributions to the R22 community!
> 
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 14, 2021, at 3:32 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> ?Hi Michael,
>> 
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has had a Harken Unit 0 roller furler since 1993.  If you are going to do this upgrade, get a roller furler that has the following features:
>> 
>> 
>> 1.  An aerodynamically shaped headfoil with twin luff grooves.
>> 2.  Independent upper and lower swivels
>> 3.  A low profile lower swivel assembly that doesn?t use up a lot of headsail luff length
>> 4.  Extensive use of Torlon ball &/or roller bearings throughout
>> 5.  An enclosed furling drum with a good fairlead to prevent furling control line snarls
>> 6.  Either an extruded, 1-piece, flexible, polymer headfoil or an extruded aluminum headfoil with individual, replaceable sections in case you damage one
>> 
>> Besides, the Harken roller furlers, there are many other quality units on the market that fulfill all these requirements.  I replaced my headstay as part of this project.  The Harken unit has been completely bulletproof and still spins as easily as a bicycle tire!  All the maintenance that?s required is an annual freshwater rinse for the bearings and the weekly anti spider flush on the furling drum.  Why do spiders like to build nests inside the furling drum?
>> 
>> Once you?ve installed the upgraded roller furler, you?re going to need a new headsail to take advantage of it.  Your new headsail should be:
>> 
>> 
>> 1.  Made of a composite material vs. dacron.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s 150% genoa is made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth.  Cruise-Lam sailcloth is a 5 layer composite consisting of outer skins of dacron for abrasion, UV, and flogging resistance, Kevlar scrims (think mesh), and an inner core of mylar.  It?s been completely bulletproof and the sail shape still looks great!
>> 2.  Constructed with Bi-Radial or Tri-Radial panel layout.  S/V Dynamic Equiibrium?s 150% genoa is made with Bi-Radial panel layout.  But, with improvements in CAD assisted panel layout in the time since I purchased mine, I would probably opt for a Tri-Radial panel layout if I purchased it today.
>> 3.  Either have UV protective acrylic panels ( i.e. Sunbrella) sewn into the foot and leech or use a UV protective Sunbrella sleeve that is hauled up the furled headsail using an extra halyard when you are not using it.  Since S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is rigged to fly a tri-radial spinnaker and has the spare halyard, my boat has the protective sleeve.  I think the protective sleeve does a better job of protecting the head of the furled sail and the upper swivel assembly from the elements.  The genoa cover is installed as part of getting the boat ready to leave at the dock similar to snapping on the mainsail cover and is removed and stowed as part of the process of getting the boat ready to get underway.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has a standard mainsail.  I choose the protective sleeve vs. the sewn-in panels to give the headsail better light air performance.  The sewn-in panels are heavy and can prevent the genoa from properly inflating in light air.
>> 4.  Has an appropriately sized luff tape that fits the grooves in your headsail foil
>> 5.  Has tensioning cords sewn into the foot and leach for fine adjustments of sail shape in the lower 1/3 of the sail and minimizing leech flutter
>> 6.  Has at least 3 windows sewn in up and down about 12 inches aft of the luff with windward/leeward tell tails sewn in
>> 7.  Has at least 3 leech tell tails sewn in up and down the sail
>> 8.  Has a foam luff pad and a sail shape that enables the upper and lower swivels to take up the extra draft as the sail is furled.  This feature is worthless unless your roller furler has upper and lower independent swivels.  But, it will dramatically increase the usable dynamic range of your roller furler.  In my opinion, without this feature, this project isn?t worth doing.
>> 
>> It?s an expensive project.  But, speed costs money.  How fast can you afford to go?  Yes, I know I?m out of control!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C8619de560c7f4f55d44d08d98f87a004%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637698634958151327%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=WUvymb53VVLowhbYQxZuK31VIiENt2YGg7kbQVdTIVM%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Michael McKay<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:21 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
>> 
>> The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues prompts me to ask a question that?s been on my mind.
>> 
>> My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to remove the headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my 130 for a working jib when appropriate for higher wind race days.
>> 
>> I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I believe I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t have an extra sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share what your experience was?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 

From charles.gabriel at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 10:30:57 2021
From: charles.gabriel at gmail.com (Charles Gabriel)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:30:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
Message-ID: <CABCtkXVbrAcwXqxv88MW6fT5fpr2z2L+U5WS2AE-27C0JpogMw@mail.gmail.com>

The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
it here:
https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972

From jayf401 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 10:59:32 2021
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 10:59:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
In-Reply-To: <CABCtkXVbrAcwXqxv88MW6fT5fpr2z2L+U5WS2AE-27C0JpogMw@mail.gmail.com>
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Charles,
Hope it?s a good show for Stan & Co.. It would be great if anybody can give us any new features or tweaks on latest R22.

Jay Friedland
S/V Wanderlust ?97



> On Oct 15, 2021, at 10:30 AM, Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
> live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
> happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
> it here:
> https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 12:09:18 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:09:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
In-Reply-To: <CABCtkXVbrAcwXqxv88MW6fT5fpr2z2L+U5WS2AE-27C0JpogMw@mail.gmail.com>
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Charles,
            I wasn't going to go to the show because General Boats was not
listed.  But now I see that you are there!  I'm on my way down and should
be there in an hour and a half or less!  Looking forward to seeing you
guys.  I'm in the states only a few days before returning to Greece so this
is a great way to spend some time.
Chris Geankoplis



On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 10:31 AM Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
> live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
> happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
> it here:
> https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 12:28:36 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:28:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips
Message-ID: <CAMc-3foffOdq0d6hrC5eYKm4bFFit45ch=uTAoDELuefUOUKvw@mail.gmail.com>

These sailing trips weren't on R22s, but I thought you might find them
interesting anyway.

In the summer, my wife and I went on a trip with a couple of sailing
friends from Traverse City up to Charlevoix and then over to Beaver Island
and back in Michigan.  It turns out that Beaver Island has quite an
interesting history.  Here's the link to that trip recap:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1piCf_wW_ptqUXU6t_mIJc-RP8v1AmIc8/view?usp=sharing

A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went sailing in the San Juan Islands,
departing from Bellingham, Washington.  We enjoyed doing a lot of hiking
and exploring the towns on the islands on this trip as well.  Here's a link
to that trip recap:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f8UHuCcyAvG2-AoeUwolhkguLLuhrxT4/view?usp=sharing

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 12:29:07 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:29:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips
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Here's the PDF attached for the Michigan trip:


On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> These sailing trips weren't on R22s, but I thought you might find them
> interesting anyway.
>
> In the summer, my wife and I went on a trip with a couple of sailing
> friends from Traverse City up to Charlevoix and then over to Beaver Island
> and back in Michigan.  It turns out that Beaver Island has quite an
> interesting history.  Here's the link to that trip recap:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1piCf_wW_ptqUXU6t_mIJc-RP8v1AmIc8/view?usp=sharing
>
> A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went sailing in the San Juan Islands,
> departing from Bellingham, Washington.  We enjoyed doing a lot of hiking
> and exploring the towns on the islands on this trip as well.  Here's a link
> to that trip recap:
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f8UHuCcyAvG2-AoeUwolhkguLLuhrxT4/view?usp=sharing
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
>
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 12:29:40 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 11:29:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips
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Here's the PDF attached for the San Juan Islands trip:


On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's the PDF attached for the Michigan trip:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> These sailing trips weren't on R22s, but I thought you might find them
>> interesting anyway.
>>
>> In the summer, my wife and I went on a trip with a couple of sailing
>> friends from Traverse City up to Charlevoix and then over to Beaver Island
>> and back in Michigan.  It turns out that Beaver Island has quite an
>> interesting history.  Here's the link to that trip recap:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1piCf_wW_ptqUXU6t_mIJc-RP8v1AmIc8/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went sailing in the San Juan Islands,
>> departing from Bellingham, Washington.  We enjoyed doing a lot of hiking
>> and exploring the towns on the islands on this trip as well.  Here's a link
>> to that trip recap:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1f8UHuCcyAvG2-AoeUwolhkguLLuhrxT4/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> Jesse Shumaker
>> S/V Zephyr
>>
>>
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From reefnsail123 at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 15 13:21:06 2021
From: reefnsail123 at yahoo.com (Wilson Cook)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:21:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?I=E2=80=99m_a_Rhodie?=
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It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!  This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some index or search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?

Sent from my iPhone

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Oct 15 13:37:13 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:37:13 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips
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Jessie,

Pretty nice trips!

Have you seen our 1998 cruise in S/V Dynamic Equilibrium from Charlevoix to Beaver Island to Garden Island, and back to Charlevoix in the archives?

http://www.rhodes22.org/cruising-page.html?cruising/1998%20-%20Garden%20Island%20MI.html

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:29 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips

Here's the PDF attached for the San Juan Islands trip:


On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's the PDF attached for the Michigan trip:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> These sailing trips weren't on R22s, but I thought you might find them
>> interesting anyway.
>>
>> In the summer, my wife and I went on a trip with a couple of sailing
>> friends from Traverse City up to Charlevoix and then over to Beaver Island
>> and back in Michigan.  It turns out that Beaver Island has quite an
>> interesting history.  Here's the link to that trip recap:
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1piCf_wW_ptqUXU6t_mIJc-RP8v1AmIc8%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C150ae9a55db74eafa25008d98ff905cb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699121984810438%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=bhlDnA1yZm9CmWNmJUM%2BLQ73Zln%2Fwe7N2dRGI4V2B3Y%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>
>> A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went sailing in the San Juan Islands,
>> departing from Bellingham, Washington.  We enjoyed doing a lot of hiking
>> and exploring the towns on the islands on this trip as well.  Here's a link
>> to that trip recap:
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1f8UHuCcyAvG2-AoeUwolhkguLLuhrxT4%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C150ae9a55db74eafa25008d98ff905cb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699121984810438%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=ljdtN8demedZUYFbV8u3mgkfiIWme%2Bu84XPzfe0f6QY%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>
>> Jesse Shumaker
>> S/V Zephyr
>>
>>
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 13:39:30 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:39:30 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?I=E2=80=99m_a_Rhodie?=
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Congrats Wilson and welcome to the group!

Here are links to a couple of pages under the Rhodes22.org site for the
items you mentioned:
http://rhodes22.org/email-search.html
http://rhodes22.org/email-archives.html

The webmaster and email group owners for the R22 group are on this list so
if you have questions on how to use those functions you can post them to
the email list.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr


On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some index or
> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 13:47:17 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:47:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips
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Hi Roger,

Yes - I have read about your epic adventure to Beaver Island and Garden
Island and considered that as some of my pre-trip research reading :)
 That was quite an impressive trip to do on a R22.  We didn't make it over
to Garden Island but maybe we'll get a chance to visit there in the
future.  Other than the day from Beaver Island south to Northport, we had
pretty calm conditions compared to what you experienced.

I enjoy reading about the R22 trips that you and others have posted as
well.  I'm looking forward to Chris' next installment of Greek adventures.
I've also got Peter's latest Maine trip on my list of youtube videos to
watch.

You also posted some helpful tips regarding Lake Superior sailing but we
didn't make it up there this summer after all.  It was nice to read about
your Apostle Island scouting trip on the catamaran.

Glad you enjoyed the trip recaps!

Jesse

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:37 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Jessie,
>
> Pretty nice trips!
>
> Have you seen our 1998 cruise in S/V Dynamic Equilibrium from Charlevoix
> to Beaver Island to Garden Island, and back to Charlevoix in the archives?
>
>
> http://www.rhodes22.org/cruising-page.html?cruising/1998%20-%20Garden%20Island%20MI.html
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:29 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips
>
> Here's the PDF attached for the San Juan Islands trip:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here's the PDF attached for the Michigan trip:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> These sailing trips weren't on R22s, but I thought you might find them
> >> interesting anyway.
> >>
> >> In the summer, my wife and I went on a trip with a couple of sailing
> >> friends from Traverse City up to Charlevoix and then over to Beaver
> Island
> >> and back in Michigan.  It turns out that Beaver Island has quite an
> >> interesting history.  Here's the link to that trip recap:
> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1piCf_wW_ptqUXU6t_mIJc-RP8v1AmIc8%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C150ae9a55db74eafa25008d98ff905cb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699121984810438%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=bhlDnA1yZm9CmWNmJUM%2BLQ73Zln%2Fwe7N2dRGI4V2B3Y%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>
> >> A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went sailing in the San Juan
> Islands,
> >> departing from Bellingham, Washington.  We enjoyed doing a lot of hiking
> >> and exploring the towns on the islands on this trip as well.  Here's a
> link
> >> to that trip recap:
> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1f8UHuCcyAvG2-AoeUwolhkguLLuhrxT4%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C150ae9a55db74eafa25008d98ff905cb%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699121984810438%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=ljdtN8demedZUYFbV8u3mgkfiIWme%2Bu84XPzfe0f6QY%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>
> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
> >>
> >>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Oct 15 14:29:21 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:29:21 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My medical issues just keep coming!
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Hi Jessie,

I think I am finally recovering from my cardiac ablation procedure last February.  At least my aerobic stamina has improved to the point where I can do a moderate amount of work or climb a set of stairs W/O getting winded.  Since it?s the ?off season?, and it?s been a long time coming, I have decided to get my knee joints replaced.  The X-rays show the lateral meniscus in both knees is gone and it?s bone on bone due to osteo-arthritis!  The 1st joint replacement will be the right knee on Nov 1st.  If all goes well, the left knee will be eplaced 6 weeks later in mid Dec.  I will have all winter to do my PT and get better.  Hopefully, by next summer, I?ll be able to hike, bike, paddle, and sail much better.   We are tentatively rescheduling our High Adventure Sailing/Sea Kayaking/Beach Camping Great Circle Tour Of The Apostle Islands archipelago for Aug, 2022.  I?m hoping I?ll be good to go for a few more years after all this recent ?rebuilding?.  I have 4 grand children, ages 6, 4, 4, and 10 months that I need to take camping, paddling, and sailing not to mention lots more Boy Scout trips before they lay me in the ground!

You didn?t mention eating at the Beaver Island Lodge in your adventure.  I?m curious if they managed to stay in business thru the pandemic.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:47 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips

Hi Roger,

Yes - I have read about your epic adventure to Beaver Island and Garden
Island and considered that as some of my pre-trip research reading :)
 That was quite an impressive trip to do on a R22.  We didn't make it over
to Garden Island but maybe we'll get a chance to visit there in the
future.  Other than the day from Beaver Island south to Northport, we had
pretty calm conditions compared to what you experienced.

I enjoy reading about the R22 trips that you and others have posted as
well.  I'm looking forward to Chris' next installment of Greek adventures.
I've also got Peter's latest Maine trip on my list of youtube videos to
watch.

You also posted some helpful tips regarding Lake Superior sailing but we
didn't make it up there this summer after all.  It was nice to read about
your Apostle Island scouting trip on the catamaran.

Glad you enjoyed the trip recaps!

Jesse

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:37 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Jessie,
>
> Pretty nice trips!
>
> Have you seen our 1998 cruise in S/V Dynamic Equilibrium from Charlevoix
> to Beaver Island to Garden Island, and back to Charlevoix in the archives?
>
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fcruising-page.html%3Fcruising%2F1998%2520-%2520Garden%2520Island%2520MI.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C66d8c2f0a4ed461be88308d99003dc8b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699168556750590%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=oA30CnvlXa3vR9ivnKJl8xEXd98WrFD1AiK8YafB%2BrY%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C66d8c2f0a4ed461be88308d99003dc8b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699168556760545%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=pMHL%2B%2F8D9FV8lnwPZp7z8Tae%2BdkUaP6%2B%2Bx9LcPi6bDc%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
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> From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:29 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips
>
> Here's the PDF attached for the San Juan Islands trip:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here's the PDF attached for the Michigan trip:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> These sailing trips weren't on R22s, but I thought you might find them
> >> interesting anyway.
> >>
> >> In the summer, my wife and I went on a trip with a couple of sailing
> >> friends from Traverse City up to Charlevoix and then over to Beaver
> Island
> >> and back in Michigan.  It turns out that Beaver Island has quite an
> >> interesting history.  Here's the link to that trip recap:
> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1piCf_wW_ptqUXU6t_mIJc-RP8v1AmIc8%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C66d8c2f0a4ed461be88308d99003dc8b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699168556760545%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=9xYd8HG23Ce3IV%2B9K3wO7lVKUZe84JoRrFFwwpiMn6w%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>
> >> A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went sailing in the San Juan
> Islands,
> >> departing from Bellingham, Washington.  We enjoyed doing a lot of hiking
> >> and exploring the towns on the islands on this trip as well.  Here's a
> link
> >> to that trip recap:
> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1f8UHuCcyAvG2-AoeUwolhkguLLuhrxT4%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C66d8c2f0a4ed461be88308d99003dc8b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699168556760545%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=uBnW4Dpp3zn9b%2BlJpN%2F3ZARe9zTcS3oWw53VLoxRjps%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>
> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
> >>
> >>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Fri Oct 15 15:25:12 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 15:25:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My medical issues just keep coming!
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Roger,

Will you be changing your signature to "Roger Pihlaja (recycled 2021)"?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 2:29 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My medical issues just keep coming!

Hi Jessie,

I think I am finally recovering from my cardiac ablation procedure last
February.  At least my aerobic stamina has improved to the point where I can
do a moderate amount of work or climb a set of stairs W/O getting winded.
Since it's the "off season", and it's been a long time coming, I have
decided to get my knee joints replaced.  The X-rays show the lateral
meniscus in both knees is gone and it's bone on bone due to osteo-arthritis!
The 1st joint replacement will be the right knee on Nov 1st.  If all goes
well, the left knee will be eplaced 6 weeks later in mid Dec.  I will have
all winter to do my PT and get better.  Hopefully, by next summer, I'll be
able to hike, bike, paddle, and sail much better.   We are tentatively
rescheduling our High Adventure Sailing/Sea Kayaking/Beach Camping Great
Circle Tour Of The Apostle Islands archipelago for Aug, 2022.  I'm hoping
I'll be good to go for a few more years after all this recent "rebuilding".
I have 4 grand children, ages 6, 4, 4, and 10 months that I need to take
camping, paddling, and sailing not to mention lots more Boy Scout trips
before they lay me in the ground!

You didn't mention eating at the Beaver Island Lodge in your adventure.  I'm
curious if they managed to stay in business thru the pandemic.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:47 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips

Hi Roger,

Yes - I have read about your epic adventure to Beaver Island and Garden
Island and considered that as some of my pre-trip research reading :)  That
was quite an impressive trip to do on a R22.  We didn't make it over to
Garden Island but maybe we'll get a chance to visit there in the future.
Other than the day from Beaver Island south to Northport, we had pretty calm
conditions compared to what you experienced.

I enjoy reading about the R22 trips that you and others have posted as well.
I'm looking forward to Chris' next installment of Greek adventures.
I've also got Peter's latest Maine trip on my list of youtube videos to
watch.

You also posted some helpful tips regarding Lake Superior sailing but we
didn't make it up there this summer after all.  It was nice to read about
your Apostle Island scouting trip on the catamaran.

Glad you enjoyed the trip recaps!

Jesse

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:37 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Jessie,
>
> Pretty nice trips!
>
> Have you seen our 1998 cruise in S/V Dynamic Equilibrium from 
> Charlevoix to Beaver Island to Garden Island, and back to Charlevoix in
the archives?
>
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rh
> odes22.org%2Fcruising-page.html%3Fcruising%2F1998%2520-%2520Garden%252
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> iK8YafB%2BrY%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from 
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> Windows
>
> From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:29 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter 
> trips
>
> Here's the PDF attached for the San Juan Islands trip:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jesse Shumaker < 
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here's the PDF attached for the Michigan trip:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jesse Shumaker < 
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> These sailing trips weren't on R22s, but I thought you might find 
> >> them interesting anyway.
> >>
> >> In the summer, my wife and I went on a trip with a couple of 
> >> sailing friends from Traverse City up to Charlevoix and then over 
> >> to Beaver
> Island
> >> and back in Michigan.  It turns out that Beaver Island has quite an 
> >> interesting history.  Here's the link to that trip recap:
> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive
> .google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1piCf_wW_ptqUXU6t_mIJc-RP8v1AmIc8%2Fview%3Fus
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> >>
> >> A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went sailing in the San Juan
> Islands,
> >> departing from Bellingham, Washington.  We enjoyed doing a lot of 
> >> hiking and exploring the towns on the islands on this trip as well.  
> >> Here's a
> link
> >> to that trip recap:
> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive
> .google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1f8UHuCcyAvG2-AoeUwolhkguLLuhrxT4%2Fview%3Fus
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> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
> >>
> >>
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From gramille at tds.net  Fri Oct 15 15:48:36 2021
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 15:48:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
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Please say hi to Stan from Vermont Graham!
G
Sv.00Sailin

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Charles,
>            I wasn't going to go to the show because General Boats was not
> listed.  But now I see that you are there!  I'm on my way down and should
> be there in an hour and a half or less!  Looking forward to seeing you
> guys.  I'm in the states only a few days before returning to Greece so this
> is a great way to spend some time.
> Chris Geankoplis
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 10:31 AM Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
>> live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
>> happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
>> it here:
>> https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972
>> 


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 16:08:07 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 15:08:07 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My medical issues just keep coming!
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Roger, that seems like a good idea to get an overall tuneup during the off
season in preparation for more adventures.  I hope everything goes smoothly
so you can get back in action.  My father definitely got relief from knee
replacements.

The Beaver Island Lodge is still going but we didn't make it there.  The
two places we grabbed a bite to on Beaver Island were the Circle M and the
Shamrock Bar and Grill.  We heard good things about the lodge but it
sounded a bit fancier.  We were not looking nor feeling too fancy as we
came off the boat :)

Jesse

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:29 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Jessie,
>
> I think I am finally recovering from my cardiac ablation procedure last
> February.  At least my aerobic stamina has improved to the point where I
> can do a moderate amount of work or climb a set of stairs W/O getting
> winded.  Since it?s the ?off season?, and it?s been a long time coming, I
> have decided to get my knee joints replaced.  The X-rays show the lateral
> meniscus in both knees is gone and it?s bone on bone due to
> osteo-arthritis!  The 1st joint replacement will be the right knee on Nov
> 1st.  If all goes well, the left knee will be eplaced 6 weeks later in mid
> Dec.  I will have all winter to do my PT and get better.  Hopefully, by
> next summer, I?ll be able to hike, bike, paddle, and sail much better.   We
> are tentatively rescheduling our High Adventure Sailing/Sea Kayaking/Beach
> Camping Great Circle Tour Of The Apostle Islands archipelago for Aug,
> 2022.  I?m hoping I?ll be good to go for a few more years after all this
> recent ?rebuilding?.  I have 4 grand children, ages 6, 4, 4, and 10 months
> that I need to take camping, paddling, and sailing not to mention lots more
> Boy Scout trips before they lay me in the ground!
>
> You didn?t mention eating at the Beaver Island Lodge in your adventure.
> I?m curious if they managed to stay in business thru the pandemic.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:47 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> Yes - I have read about your epic adventure to Beaver Island and Garden
> Island and considered that as some of my pre-trip research reading :)
>  That was quite an impressive trip to do on a R22.  We didn't make it over
> to Garden Island but maybe we'll get a chance to visit there in the
> future.  Other than the day from Beaver Island south to Northport, we had
> pretty calm conditions compared to what you experienced.
>
> I enjoy reading about the R22 trips that you and others have posted as
> well.  I'm looking forward to Chris' next installment of Greek adventures.
> I've also got Peter's latest Maine trip on my list of youtube videos to
> watch.
>
> You also posted some helpful tips regarding Lake Superior sailing but we
> didn't make it up there this summer after all.  It was nice to read about
> your Apostle Island scouting trip on the catamaran.
>
> Glad you enjoyed the trip recaps!
>
> Jesse
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:37 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Jessie,
> >
> > Pretty nice trips!
> >
> > Have you seen our 1998 cruise in S/V Dynamic Equilibrium from Charlevoix
> > to Beaver Island to Garden Island, and back to Charlevoix in the
> archives?
> >
> >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fcruising-page.html%3Fcruising%2F1998%2520-%2520Garden%2520Island%2520MI.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C66d8c2f0a4ed461be88308d99003dc8b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699168556750590%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=oA30CnvlXa3vR9ivnKJl8xEXd98WrFD1AiK8YafB%2BrY%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
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> > From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:29 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter
> trips
> >
> > Here's the PDF attached for the San Juan Islands trip:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Here's the PDF attached for the Michigan trip:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> These sailing trips weren't on R22s, but I thought you might find them
> > >> interesting anyway.
> > >>
> > >> In the summer, my wife and I went on a trip with a couple of sailing
> > >> friends from Traverse City up to Charlevoix and then over to Beaver
> > Island
> > >> and back in Michigan.  It turns out that Beaver Island has quite an
> > >> interesting history.  Here's the link to that trip recap:
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1piCf_wW_ptqUXU6t_mIJc-RP8v1AmIc8%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C66d8c2f0a4ed461be88308d99003dc8b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699168556760545%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=9xYd8HG23Ce3IV%2B9K3wO7lVKUZe84JoRrFFwwpiMn6w%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >>
> > >> A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went sailing in the San Juan
> > Islands,
> > >> departing from Bellingham, Washington.  We enjoyed doing a lot of
> hiking
> > >> and exploring the towns on the islands on this trip as well.  Here's a
> > link
> > >> to that trip recap:
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1f8UHuCcyAvG2-AoeUwolhkguLLuhrxT4%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C66d8c2f0a4ed461be88308d99003dc8b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699168556760545%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=uBnW4Dpp3zn9b%2BlJpN%2F3ZARe9zTcS3oWw53VLoxRjps%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >>
> > >> Jesse Shumaker
> > >> S/V Zephyr
> > >>
> > >>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Oct 15 16:45:12 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 20:45:12 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My medical issues just keep coming!
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Michael,

It depends on how well the operations go ? ask me next summer!

Roger Pihlaja (A Work In Progress)
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 3:25 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] My medical issues just keep coming!

Roger,

Will you be changing your signature to "Roger Pihlaja (recycled 2021)"?

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 2:29 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My medical issues just keep coming!

Hi Jessie,

I think I am finally recovering from my cardiac ablation procedure last
February.  At least my aerobic stamina has improved to the point where I can
do a moderate amount of work or climb a set of stairs W/O getting winded.
Since it's the "off season", and it's been a long time coming, I have
decided to get my knee joints replaced.  The X-rays show the lateral
meniscus in both knees is gone and it's bone on bone due to osteo-arthritis!
The 1st joint replacement will be the right knee on Nov 1st.  If all goes
well, the left knee will be eplaced 6 weeks later in mid Dec.  I will have
all winter to do my PT and get better.  Hopefully, by next summer, I'll be
able to hike, bike, paddle, and sail much better.   We are tentatively
rescheduling our High Adventure Sailing/Sea Kayaking/Beach Camping Great
Circle Tour Of The Apostle Islands archipelago for Aug, 2022.  I'm hoping
I'll be good to go for a few more years after all this recent "rebuilding".
I have 4 grand children, ages 6, 4, 4, and 10 months that I need to take
camping, paddling, and sailing not to mention lots more Boy Scout trips
before they lay me in the ground!

You didn't mention eating at the Beaver Island Lodge in your adventure.  I'm
curious if they managed to stay in business thru the pandemic.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd9475eae816543d401ba08d9901187f1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699227243520309%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=aHLtqJNB1SmE68rd5JsjjesrP%2B3sd4PQ0KQH9i3xh6E%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows

From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 1:47 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter trips

Hi Roger,

Yes - I have read about your epic adventure to Beaver Island and Garden
Island and considered that as some of my pre-trip research reading :)  That
was quite an impressive trip to do on a R22.  We didn't make it over to
Garden Island but maybe we'll get a chance to visit there in the future.
Other than the day from Beaver Island south to Northport, we had pretty calm
conditions compared to what you experienced.

I enjoy reading about the R22 trips that you and others have posted as well.
I'm looking forward to Chris' next installment of Greek adventures.
I've also got Peter's latest Maine trip on my list of youtube videos to
watch.

You also posted some helpful tips regarding Lake Superior sailing but we
didn't make it up there this summer after all.  It was nice to read about
your Apostle Island scouting trip on the catamaran.

Glad you enjoyed the trip recaps!

Jesse

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 12:37 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Jessie,
>
> Pretty nice trips!
>
> Have you seen our 1998 cruise in S/V Dynamic Equilibrium from
> Charlevoix to Beaver Island to Garden Island, and back to Charlevoix in
the archives?
>
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rh%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cd9475eae816543d401ba08d9901187f1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637699227243520309%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=CnmMGFpukRUM2NJ20AnKykt0sxPL%2BWWJkc4%2FO4VTjdU%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from
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> From: Jesse Shumaker<mailto:jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 12:29 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] recaps from a couple of bareboat charter
> trips
>
> Here's the PDF attached for the San Juan Islands trip:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:29 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Here's the PDF attached for the Michigan trip:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:28 AM Jesse Shumaker <
> > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> These sailing trips weren't on R22s, but I thought you might find
> >> them interesting anyway.
> >>
> >> In the summer, my wife and I went on a trip with a couple of
> >> sailing friends from Traverse City up to Charlevoix and then over
> >> to Beaver
> Island
> >> and back in Michigan.  It turns out that Beaver Island has quite an
> >> interesting history.  Here's the link to that trip recap:
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> A couple of weeks ago my wife and I went sailing in the San Juan
> Islands,
> >> departing from Bellingham, Washington.  We enjoyed doing a lot of
> >> hiking and exploring the towns on the islands on this trip as well.
> >> Here's a
> link
> >> to that trip recap:
> >>
> >>
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> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
> >>
> >>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 17:54:36 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:54:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWm3aJQkU+GKCcWS5j9CHud1_z4FwU_04Or86hgbG3T7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any owners to
drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a bit
of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
age.

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 18:05:02 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:05:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWm3aJQkU+GKCcWS5j9CHud1_z4FwU_04Or86hgbG3T7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWm3aJQkU+GKCcWS5j9CHud1_z4FwU_04Or86hgbG3T7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D4C51961-B3AD-4499-81EB-50B780BE4F37@gmail.com>

Great!  So glad to get this report on Stan. I really wish I could get up there to see him again and to help out. 

Frank 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any owners to
> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a bit
> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
> age.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis

From rodellner at mac.com  Fri Oct 15 19:06:54 2021
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:06:54 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWm3aJQkU+GKCcWS5j9CHud1_z4FwU_04Or86hgbG3T7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWm3aJQkU+GKCcWS5j9CHud1_z4FwU_04Or86hgbG3T7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9BA435FE-F540-4359-BB5F-22FE4B14DED2@mac.com>

Chris.   Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode Rhodes story

Welcome home!

Rod and Mary

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any owners to
> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a bit
> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
> age.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Fri Oct 15 19:34:40 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:34:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
In-Reply-To: <FAEC4A1E-C765-4F17-89E4-03D491C9F081@tds.net>
References: <CADNTwiWZ0vXynoa5ufUg4bGk0v91VH-A1sNVmRh+BDv95yqR+g@mail.gmail.com>
 <FAEC4A1E-C765-4F17-89E4-03D491C9F081@tds.net>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5LLMDyswRbCr9-Z=tE7xwKOZJ383pegVar2dtuJE99YQ@mail.gmail.com>

And all of us!!!

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 2:48 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Please say hi to Stan from Vermont Graham!
> G
> Sv.00Sailin
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Charles,
> >            I wasn't going to go to the show because General Boats was not
> > listed.  But now I see that you are there!  I'm on my way down and should
> > be there in an hour and a half or less!  Looking forward to seeing you
> > guys.  I'm in the states only a few days before returning to Greece so
> this
> > is a great way to spend some time.
> > Chris Geankoplis
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 10:31 AM Charles Gabriel <
> charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
> >> live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
> >> happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
> >> it here:
> >> https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972
> >>
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 23:07:58 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:07:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWZ_AjEddR_w_m3z33OCEci-QnysCQFQtABYJiCZBRV9w@mail.gmail.com>

Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and perhaps
some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help but
didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can handle
by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
great.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Oct 15 23:16:50 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:16:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
In-Reply-To: <9BA435FE-F540-4359-BB5F-22FE4B14DED2@mac.com>
References: <CADNTwiWm3aJQkU+GKCcWS5j9CHud1_z4FwU_04Or86hgbG3T7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <9BA435FE-F540-4359-BB5F-22FE4B14DED2@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVARD1HbFctbEjU28g6c9j4MaJgMrgQO1=Zx0pFu0Jucg@mail.gmail.com>

Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the US to
get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
need bail money.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Chris.   Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
> Rhodes story
>
> Welcome home!
>
> Rod and Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
> owners to
> > drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
> bit
> > of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
> > age.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
>

From markwynn at verizon.net  Sat Oct 16 06:51:03 2021
From: markwynn at verizon.net (Mark Wynn)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:51:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVARD1HbFctbEjU28g6c9j4MaJgMrgQO1=Zx0pFu0Jucg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWm3aJQkU+GKCcWS5j9CHud1_z4FwU_04Or86hgbG3T7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <9BA435FE-F540-4359-BB5F-22FE4B14DED2@mac.com>
 <CADNTwiVARD1HbFctbEjU28g6c9j4MaJgMrgQO1=Zx0pFu0Jucg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1408987542.1546022.1634381463595@mail.yahoo.com>

Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a cake with hack saw blade included.?Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?? on Magothy River, MD


Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS


On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the US to
get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
need bail money.

Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Chris.? Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.? We need to hear your Rhode
> Rhodes story
>
> Welcome home!
>
> Rod and Mary
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Bill Wickman and? I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
> owners to
> > drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
> bit
> > of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
> > age.
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
>




From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 08:32:29 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:32:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
In-Reply-To: <1408987542.1546022.1634381463595@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CADNTwiWm3aJQkU+GKCcWS5j9CHud1_z4FwU_04Or86hgbG3T7Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <9BA435FE-F540-4359-BB5F-22FE4B14DED2@mac.com>
 <CADNTwiVARD1HbFctbEjU28g6c9j4MaJgMrgQO1=Zx0pFu0Jucg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1408987542.1546022.1634381463595@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWGTu=nX-HOe-kYOaeu4quHdQVJzoM6+Tiodcg70i0_bA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the thought Mark. Hope you get a chance to see Stan. Just got an
email from my Turkish ?agent?. Looks like the solution can be ? arranged?.
I?m not going to ask. Have you guys been out on the boat?
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 6:51 AM Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a cake
> with hack saw blade included. Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?  on Magothy
> River, MD
>
>
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>
>
> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the US to
> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
> need bail money.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > Chris.  Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
> > Rhodes story
> >
> > Welcome home!
> >
> > Rod and Mary
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
> > owners to
> > > drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
> > bit
> > > of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
> > > age.
> > >
> > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > Enosis
> >
>
>
>
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 08:37:57 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:37:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?I=E2=80=99m_a_Rhodie?=
In-Reply-To: <2D221756-E402-420A-A38C-9F4B602C7D2E@yahoo.com>
References: <2D221756-E402-420A-A38C-9F4B602C7D2E.ref@yahoo.com>
 <2D221756-E402-420A-A38C-9F4B602C7D2E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWF8vEFs0cJ2H_vmyPn_BbT6evCfU+wp8J4aJ6tFaBs0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Welcome Wilson!  You are now a member of a group of passionate, devoted
(hmm sounds a bit like a cult- might be)  group of men and women who take
great joy in sailing and helping others enjoy their Rhodes.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some index or
> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

From michael.4591 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 10:12:29 2021
From: michael.4591 at gmail.com (Michael Corley)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:12:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWZ_AjEddR_w_m3z33OCEci-QnysCQFQtABYJiCZBRV9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWZ_AjEddR_w_m3z33OCEci-QnysCQFQtABYJiCZBRV9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACSd1j+k0qTKqABordYLNz45z2HHNUga9z94EiQa=SD73T63fg@mail.gmail.com>

I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.

-Mike Corley
s/v Ranger
Hampton Roads

On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and perhaps
> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help but
> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can handle
> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
> great.
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>

From snstaum at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 10:14:36 2021
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:14:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] =?utf-8?q?I=E2=80=99m_a_Rhodie?=
In-Reply-To: <2D221756-E402-420A-A38C-9F4B602C7D2E@yahoo.com>
References: <2D221756-E402-420A-A38C-9F4B602C7D2E.ref@yahoo.com>
 <2D221756-E402-420A-A38C-9F4B602C7D2E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjcj7xQMuEEmxES8CRsp0bHH0tB6d8_+87Txp+rS4XMs1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Wilson,

Welcome to 'da list.  Let us know if you need any help or advice.


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore (my 3rd Rhodes 22)*

*Needham, MA*



On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some index or
> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Oct 16 10:48:58 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:48:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help
In-Reply-To: <CACSd1j+k0qTKqABordYLNz45z2HHNUga9z94EiQa=SD73T63fg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWZ_AjEddR_w_m3z33OCEci-QnysCQFQtABYJiCZBRV9w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CACSd1j+k0qTKqABordYLNz45z2HHNUga9z94EiQa=SD73T63fg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiV2t-Ef4DcqnjiXmn6mc3pgF+sQu1nxSWJuho-mSwJdzQ@mail.gmail.com>

That is great Mike.  We all appreciate your helping Stan!
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:12 AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
>
> -Mike Corley
> s/v Ranger
> Hampton Roads
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
> > the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
> perhaps
> > some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help
> but
> > didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
> handle
> > by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
> > Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
> > great.
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > ENOSIS
> >
>

From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu  Sat Oct 16 15:11:05 2021
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:11:05 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMOeU=1D-z9_V5rm+UhCQwks3pKABRFEL99dLz7TqH81bg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BN9PR03MB6156EB32441FB8ED5C32BEA2AEAE9@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAB-twMOeU=1D-z9_V5rm+UhCQwks3pKABRFEL99dLz7TqH81bg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN9PR03MB61567E7B2DA124E065DBBFEDAEBA9@BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Found it!

https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-27/canvas-covers/biminis/bimini-genoa-track-cars/

Thanks all for the feedback an pics.
Bob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:46 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment

Bob,

I'm not sure what you are asking for.
A bimini car rides on the genoa track (usually).

As far as the traveller car, there have been several different styles of traveller used over the years. Some are specific custom cars and others are available commercially.


If you are looking for the traveller car that rides on a 1" round bar, original probably after 1984, it is available from rig rite.

https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2FTravellers%2FNF_Travellers%2FRound%2520Bar%2520Travellers.php&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Ca5fd7dcf75fc4b6555e508d98734fdec%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637689484519658672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=sKNpdcuORflc9uCgB2PgoSHMd9%2Fat1HFmajlMfbHo1A%3D&amp;reserved=0






On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 12:06 AM C. Robert Lester < C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:

> Hello all,
> Would some of you share a pic with me...I'm interested in what the 
> bimini car on the traveler looks like.
> I'm currently trying to mate the parts I have together.
> Thank you,
> Bob
> ('84 ORION)
>
>
>
>
>
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From reefnsail123 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 07:57:46 2021
From: reefnsail123 at yahoo.com (Wilson Cook)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 07:57:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
References: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E@yahoo.com>

So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser. 

Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?

Sent from my iPhone

From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Oct 18 08:17:30 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:17:30 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
In-Reply-To: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E@yahoo.com>
References: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E.ref@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB6985FAA050B2F85FC2E6F600C1BC9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Wilson,
The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next to the chainplate. - rob

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time

So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.

Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?

Sent from my iPhone

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Oct 18 09:11:05 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:11:05 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
Message-ID: <E1mcSPx-000V1H-Cu@s152.servername.online>

?or it might be on the port side.

Which side the tensioner get cleated to depends on how the blocks on the back stays are configured.  Mine are set for port side cleaning, but General Boats put cleats on both sides, just in case.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016]


> On 2021-10-18, at 08:17:30 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>
> Wilson,
> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next to the 
> chainplate. - rob 
> 
> 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Oct 18 11:36:06 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:36:06 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
In-Reply-To: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E@yahoo.com>
References: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E.ref@yahoo.com>
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Hi Wilson,

It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes it a safe, foolproof operation.

The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.  Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:


  1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
  2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
  3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd

Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).  So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note, the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.

This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated with the genoa.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

[cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time

So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.

Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?

Sent from my iPhone

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From reefnsail123 at yahoo.com  Mon Oct 18 13:07:21 2021
From: reefnsail123 at yahoo.com (Wilson Cook)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:07:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
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Yes I have the mast hoist. I can?t imagine it would be possible certainly alone without it. I?m at work but I do have a vague memory of a cleat over there that I thought was odd. Now I know.   

This is a great resource. Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 18, 2021, at 11:36 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Hi Wilson,
>  
> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes it a safe, foolproof operation.
>  
> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.  Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>  
> Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
> Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
> 10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>  
> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).  So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note, the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
>  
> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated with the genoa.
>  
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>  
> <919EB46A00C54B95B151B34D35E652BB.jpg>
>  
> Sent from Mail for Windows
>  
> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>  
> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser. 
> 
> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>  

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 15:19:34 2021
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:19:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920B2DEB50D42D434B525BE80BC9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E.ref@yahoo.com>
 <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E@yahoo.com>
 <CH2PR02MB6920B2DEB50D42D434B525BE80BC9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpPOvWvYRvkEdewDpXGfHo94czkHRr-3y4Nc_5NffyP4w@mail.gmail.com>

Roger, great idea on the easily adjustable backstay adjuster!

Wilson, there are a number of posts with checklists for mast raising /
lowering using the GB system that people have created over time.  Let us
know if you are looking for that and have any trouble finding examples.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:36 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
wrote:

> Hi Wilson,
>
> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>
> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>
>
>   1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>   2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
>   3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>
> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard horned
> cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now,
> using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay control
> line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up the
> slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension in the
> backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control line to
> the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate
> forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the
> backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).  So,
> I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note, the
> Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the backstay
> tension from any position in the cockpit.
>
> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling Headsail
> Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated
> with the genoa.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>
> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short
> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was
> the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it
> was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
> masthead and then forestay was looser.
>
> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
> there is no cleat?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Oct 18 16:25:23 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:25:23 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
Message-ID: <E1mcZCF-003QBi-IT@s152.servername.online>

Wilson,

I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the forestay connection, unless...

By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>
> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short 
> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the 
> headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was 
> finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and 
> then forestay was looser. 
> 
> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is 
> no cleat? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


From rlowe at vt.edu  Mon Oct 18 16:34:17 2021
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:34:17 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
In-Reply-To: <E1mcZCF-003QBi-IT@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mcZCF-003QBi-IT@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB698545815394C03865A1E249C1BC9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Photos always help too. Take a photo (jpeg preferred) and send it to us as an attachment.  Having the backstay adjustment slack will also give you some leeway with the forestay.  Once it's connected, you can tighten the backstays. 

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 4:25 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time

Wilson,

I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the forestay connection, unless...

By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>
> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a 
> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest 
> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening 
> chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays 
> something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
> 
> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but 
> there is no cleat?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 


From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 21:24:40 2021
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:24:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
Message-ID: <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is the
best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a member
of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take care
of this in the early off season ;)

Matt Wilson
Hornblower 2

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 21:30:39 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:30:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA@mail.gmail.com>

Matt,

I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
plates yourself.
You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they
may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
several years ago.

http://norvaplastics.com/

Todd T.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is the
> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a member
> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take care
> of this in the early off season ;)
>
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower 2
>

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 21:48:01 2021
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:48:01 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANbEFCviibdgn9JPFBpMoUinzCNqh3KSYHQkJfZUPuLN9MwmDg@mail.gmail.com>

Are there different strengths or if I get the same thickness it should
suffice?   Thanks Todd!

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Matt,
>
> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
> plates yourself.
> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they
> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
> several years ago.
>
> http://norvaplastics.com/
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
> the
> > best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
> member
> > of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
> care
> > of this in the early off season ;)
> >
> > Matt Wilson
> > Hornblower 2
> >
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Oct 19 00:18:10 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:18:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d7c4a0$5405b2b0$fc111810$@ebsmed.com>

Matt,

If you make a pair, be sure that you specify that you need both sides and that they are mirror images with respect to the edge bevels.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate

Matt,

I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek plates yourself.
You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard several years ago.

http://norvaplastics.com/

Todd T.

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is 
> the best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not 
> a member of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping 
> to take care of this in the early off season ;)
>
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower 2
>


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Oct 19 07:39:23 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:39:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCviibdgn9JPFBpMoUinzCNqh3KSYHQkJfZUPuLN9MwmDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANbEFCviibdgn9JPFBpMoUinzCNqh3KSYHQkJfZUPuLN9MwmDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920A0D3EBD4404F5D1AC83680BD9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Matt,

Get the black ultra high molecular weight polyethylene ( UHMWPE ) as it is more UV resistant vs any other color.  Also, make certain you purchase the solid polymer vs a structural foam.  UHMWPE can be cut with standard WC tipped wood working tools.  So, if you are reasonably handy, there is no reason you can?t do this project yourself.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Matt Wilson<mailto:mwhornblower at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:48 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate

Are there different strengths or if I get the same thickness it should
suffice?   Thanks Todd!

On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Matt,
>
> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
> plates yourself.
> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they
> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
> several years ago.
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnorvaplastics.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb16d7b1348ae43689eee08d992a2843f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637702049091896460%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=KJiLUufeIDwWzj%2FRy20CoRitMDAFs300mcAtqlTvtIc%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
> the
> > best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
> member
> > of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
> care
> > of this in the early off season ;)
> >
> > Matt Wilson
> > Hornblower 2
> >
>


From tvpolise at aol.com  Tue Oct 19 08:39:21 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 08:39:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
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My rudder cheekboard also cracked midseason and I could not get black starboard and used the white.  I also added internal stiffners to reduce the twisting I sometimes experienced. 
> On Oct 19, 2021, at 7:39 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Matt,
> 
> Get the black ultra high molecular weight polyethylene ( UHMWPE ) as it is more UV resistant vs any other color.  Also, make certain you purchase the solid polymer vs a structural foam.  UHMWPE can be cut with standard WC tipped wood working tools.  So, if you are reasonably handy, there is no reason you can?t do this project yourself.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Matt Wilson<mailto:mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:48 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> 
> Are there different strengths or if I get the same thickness it should
> suffice?   Thanks Todd!
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Matt,
>> 
>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>> plates yourself.
>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they
>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>> several years ago.
>> 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnorvaplastics.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb16d7b1348ae43689eee08d992a2843f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637702049091896460%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=KJiLUufeIDwWzj%2FRy20CoRitMDAFs300mcAtqlTvtIc%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>> the
>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>> member
>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>> care
>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>> 
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Hornblower 2
>>> 
>> 
> 

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Tue Oct 19 10:00:18 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 10:00:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] I'm a Rhodie
Message-ID: <011c01d7c4f1$b2a4dbb0$17ee9310$@hughes.net>

Welcome Wilson! Now you qualify to purchase the Official Rhodes 22 Owner's
Group Burgee and Rhodes wear!


From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 12:08:03 2021
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:08:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
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Thanks so much for the help!

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:39 AM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

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> My rudder cheekboard also cracked midseason and I could not get black
> starboard and used the white.  I also added internal stiffners to reduce
> the twisting I sometimes experienced.
> > On Oct 19, 2021, at 7:39 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Matt,
> >
> > Get the black ultra high molecular weight polyethylene ( UHMWPE ) as it
> is more UV resistant vs any other color.  Also, make certain you purchase
> the solid polymer vs a structural foam.  UHMWPE can be cut with standard WC
> tipped wood working tools.  So, if you are reasonably handy, there is no
> reason you can?t do this project yourself.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> >
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
> >
> > From: Matt Wilson<mailto:mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:48 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> >
> > Are there different strengths or if I get the same thickness it should
> > suffice?   Thanks Todd!
> >
> >> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Matt,
> >>
> >> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
> >> plates yourself.
> >> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
> set.
> >> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
> they
> >> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
> >> several years ago.
> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnorvaplastics.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cb16d7b1348ae43689eee08d992a2843f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637702049091896460%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=KJiLUufeIDwWzj%2FRy20CoRitMDAFs300mcAtqlTvtIc%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>
> >> Todd T.
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
> >> the
> >>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
> >> member
> >>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
> >> care
> >>> of this in the early off season ;)
> >>>
> >>> Matt Wilson
> >>> Hornblower 2
> >>>
> >>
> >
>

From reefnsail123 at yahoo.com  Tue Oct 19 22:02:11 2021
From: reefnsail123 at yahoo.com (Wilson Cook)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 22:02:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1
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The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link short. But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay chainplate. Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in third link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was parallel to deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn. 

As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead because when it popped the headstay was looser. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:18 AM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
> 
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> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
> 
> 
> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. Re: Live from Annapolis this morning (Tom Van Heule)
>   2. Help (Chris Geankoplis)
>   3. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
>   4. Re: Stan at the show (Mark Wynn)
>   5. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
>   6. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Chris Geankoplis)
>   7. Re: Help (Michael Corley)
>   8. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Stephen Staum)
>   9. Re: Help (Chris Geankoplis)
>  10. Re: Bimini Car attachment (C. Robert Lester)
>  11. First time (Wilson Cook)
>  12. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
>  13. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
>  14. Re: First time (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>  15. Re: First time (Wilson Cook)
>  16. Re: First time (Jesse Shumaker)
>  17. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
>  18. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
>  19. Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
>  20. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Todd Tavares)
>  21. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
>  22. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Michael D. Weisner)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:34:40 -0500
> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
> Message-ID:
>    <CAEqJHY5LLMDyswRbCr9-Z=tE7xwKOZJ383pegVar2dtuJE99YQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> And all of us!!!
> 
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 2:48 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Please say hi to Stan from Vermont Graham!
>> G
>> Sv.00Sailin
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Charles,
>>>           I wasn't going to go to the show because General Boats was not
>>> listed.  But now I see that you are there!  I'm on my way down and should
>>> be there in an hour and a half or less!  Looking forward to seeing you
>>> guys.  I'm in the states only a few days before returning to Greece so
>> this
>>> is a great way to spend some time.
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 10:31 AM Charles Gabriel <
>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
>>>> live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
>>>> happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
>>>> it here:
>>>> https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:07:58 -0400
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help
> Message-ID:
>    <CADNTwiWZ_AjEddR_w_m3z33OCEci-QnysCQFQtABYJiCZBRV9w at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and perhaps
> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help but
> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can handle
> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
> great.
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:16:50 -0400
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
> Message-ID:
>    <CADNTwiVARD1HbFctbEjU28g6c9j4MaJgMrgQO1=Zx0pFu0Jucg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the US to
> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
> need bail money.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
> 
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Chris.   Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
>> Rhodes story
>> 
>> Welcome home!
>> 
>> Rod and Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>> owners to
>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>> bit
>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
>>> age.
>>> 
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> Enosis
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:51:03 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>,  Rod Ellner
>    <rodellner at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
> Message-ID: <1408987542.1546022.1634381463595 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a cake with hack saw blade included.?Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?? on Magothy River, MD
> 
> 
> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> 
> 
> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the US to
> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
> need bail money.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
> 
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Chris.? Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.? We need to hear your Rhode
>> Rhodes story
>> 
>> Welcome home!
>> 
>> Rod and Mary
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Bill Wickman and? I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>> owners to
>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>> bit
>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
>>> age.
>>> 
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> Enosis
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:32:29 -0400
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
> Message-ID:
>    <CADNTwiWGTu=nX-HOe-kYOaeu4quHdQVJzoM6+Tiodcg70i0_bA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Thanks for the thought Mark. Hope you get a chance to see Stan. Just got an
> email from my Turkish ?agent?. Looks like the solution can be ? arranged?.
> I?m not going to ask. Have you guys been out on the boat?
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> 
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 6:51 AM Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a cake
>> with hack saw blade included. Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?  on Magothy
>> River, MD
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the US to
>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
>> need bail money.
>> 
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> ENOSIS
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Chris.  Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
>>> Rhodes story
>>> 
>>> Welcome home!
>>> 
>>> Rod and Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>> owners to
>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>>> bit
>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
>>>> age.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> Enosis
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:37:57 -0400
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson Cook
>    <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
> Message-ID:
>    <CADNTwiWF8vEFs0cJ2H_vmyPn_BbT6evCfU+wp8J4aJ6tFaBs0Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Welcome Wilson!  You are now a member of a group of passionate, devoted
> (hmm sounds a bit like a cult- might be)  group of men and women who take
> great joy in sailing and helping others enjoy their Rhodes.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> 
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some index or
>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:12:29 -0400
> From: Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
> Message-ID:
>    <CACSd1j+k0qTKqABordYLNz45z2HHNUga9z94EiQa=SD73T63fg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
> 
> -Mike Corley
> s/v Ranger
> Hampton Roads
> 
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and perhaps
>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help but
>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can handle
>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>> great.
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> ENOSIS
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:14:36 -0400
> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
> Message-ID:
>    <CAOo_Fjcj7xQMuEEmxES8CRsp0bHH0tB6d8_+87Txp+rS4XMs1Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Wilson,
> 
> Welcome to 'da list.  Let us know if you need any help or advice.
> 
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore (my 3rd Rhodes 22)*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some index or
>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:48:58 -0400
> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
> Message-ID:
>    <CADNTwiV2t-Ef4DcqnjiXmn6mc3pgF+sQu1nxSWJuho-mSwJdzQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> That is great Mike.  We all appreciate your helping Stan!
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> 
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:12 AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
>> 
>> -Mike Corley
>> s/v Ranger
>> Hampton Roads
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>> perhaps
>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help
>> but
>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>> handle
>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>> great.
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> ENOSIS
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:11:05 +0000
> From: "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
> Message-ID:
>    <BN9PR03MB61567E7B2DA124E065DBBFEDAEBA9 at BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Found it!
> 
> https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-27/canvas-covers/biminis/bimini-genoa-track-cars/
> 
> Thanks all for the feedback an pics.
> Bob
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:46 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
> 
> Bob,
> 
> I'm not sure what you are asking for.
> A bimini car rides on the genoa track (usually).
> 
> As far as the traveller car, there have been several different styles of traveller used over the years. Some are specific custom cars and others are available commercially.
> 
> 
> If you are looking for the traveller car that rides on a 1" round bar, original probably after 1984, it is available from rig rite.
> 
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2FTravellers%2FNF_Travellers%2FRound%2520Bar%2520Travellers.php&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Ca5fd7dcf75fc4b6555e508d98734fdec%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637689484519658672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=sKNpdcuORflc9uCgB2PgoSHMd9%2Fat1HFmajlMfbHo1A%3D&amp;reserved=0
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 12:06 AM C. Robert Lester < C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> Would some of you share a pic with me...I'm interested in what the 
>> bimini car on the traveler looks like.
>> I'm currently trying to mate the parts I have together.
>> Thank you,
>> Bob
>> ('84 ORION)
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 07:57:46 -0400
> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> Message-ID: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E at yahoo.com>
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> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser. 
> 
> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:17:30 +0000
> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson
>    Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
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> Wilson,
> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next to the chainplate. - rob
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> 
> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
> 
> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:11:05 -0700
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
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> 
> ?or it might be on the port side.
> 
> Which side the tensioner get cleated to depends on how the blocks on the back stays are configured.  Mine are set for port side cleaning, but General Boats put cleats on both sides, just in case.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016]
> 
> 
>> On 2021-10-18, at 08:17:30 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>> 
>> Wilson,
>> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next to the 
>> chainplate. - rob 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:36:06 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> Message-ID:
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>    
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> 
> Hi Wilson,
> 
> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes it a safe, foolproof operation.
> 
> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.  Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
> 
> 
>  1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>  2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
>  3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
> 
> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).  So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note, the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
> 
> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated with the genoa.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> 
> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
> 
> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Message: 15
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:07:21 -0400
> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
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> Yes I have the mast hoist. I can?t imagine it would be possible certainly alone without it. I?m at work but I do have a vague memory of a cleat over there that I thought was odd. Now I know.   
> 
> This is a great resource. Thank you
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 11:36 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Hi Wilson,
>> 
>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes it a safe, foolproof operation.
>> 
>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.  Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>> 
>> Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>> Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
>> 10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>> 
>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).  So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note, the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
>> 
>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated with the genoa.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> <919EB46A00C54B95B151B34D35E652BB.jpg>
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> 
>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser. 
>> 
>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:19:34 -0500
> From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Roger, great idea on the easily adjustable backstay adjuster!
> 
> Wilson, there are a number of posts with checklists for mast raising /
> lowering using the GB system that people have created over time.  Let us
> know if you are looking for that and have any trouble finding examples.
> 
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
> 
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:36 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Wilson,
>> 
>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>> 
>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>> 
>> 
>>  1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>  2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
>>  3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
>> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>> 
>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard horned
>> cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now,
>> using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay control
>> line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up the
>> slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension in the
>> backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control line to
>> the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate
>> forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the
>> backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).  So,
>> I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note, the
>> Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the backstay
>> tension from any position in the cockpit.
>> 
>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling Headsail
>> Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated
>> with the genoa.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> 
>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short
>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was
>> the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it
>> was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
>> masthead and then forestay was looser.
>> 
>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>> there is no cleat?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:25:23 -0700
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> Message-ID: <E1mcZCF-003QBi-IT at s152.servername.online>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Wilson,
> 
> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the forestay connection, unless...
> 
> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>> 
>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short 
>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the 
>> headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was 
>> finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and 
>> then forestay was looser. 
>> 
>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is 
>> no cleat? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:34:17 +0000
> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Photos always help too. Take a photo (jpeg preferred) and send it to us as an attachment.  Having the backstay adjustment slack will also give you some leeway with the forestay.  Once it's connected, you can tighten the backstays. 
> 
> Rob
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 4:25 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> 
> Wilson,
> 
> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the forestay connection, unless...
> 
> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>> 
>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a 
>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest 
>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening 
>> chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays 
>> something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>> 
>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but 
>> there is no cleat?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:24:40 -0500
> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> Message-ID:
>    <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is the
> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a member
> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take care
> of this in the early off season ;)
> 
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower 2
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 20
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:30:39 -0400
> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> Message-ID:
>    <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Matt,
> 
> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
> plates yourself.
> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they
> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
> several years ago.
> 
> http://norvaplastics.com/
> 
> Todd T.
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is the
>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a member
>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take care
>> of this in the early off season ;)
>> 
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower 2
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 21
> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:48:01 -0500
> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> Message-ID:
>    <CANbEFCviibdgn9JPFBpMoUinzCNqh3KSYHQkJfZUPuLN9MwmDg at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Are there different strengths or if I get the same thickness it should
> suffice?   Thanks Todd!
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Matt,
>> 
>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>> plates yourself.
>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they
>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>> several years ago.
>> 
>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>> the
>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>> member
>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>> care
>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>> 
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Hornblower 2
>>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 22
> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:18:10 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> Message-ID: <003b01d7c4a0$5405b2b0$fc111810$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> 
> Matt,
> 
> If you make a pair, be sure that you specify that you need both sides and that they are mirror images with respect to the edge bevels.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:31 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> 
> Matt,
> 
> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek plates yourself.
> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard several years ago.
> 
> http://norvaplastics.com/
> 
> Todd T.
> 
>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is 
>> the best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not 
>> a member of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping 
>> to take care of this in the early off season ;)
>> 
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower 2
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Oct 19 22:37:29 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 19:37:29 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
Message-ID: <E1md1Tt-00GmLT-Vb@s152.servername.online>

Wilson,

I suspect that you are using the chains in the wrong place.

There has been more than one version of the mast lifting system, but I only know the details  of the one I have (circa 2016).  I'll just have to assume that yours is the same .

When you are going to raise the mast, the mast crane should start out tipped a little aft of vertical.  The aft lower shrouds are attached directly to the mast crane.  The upper shrouds are connected to their chainplates.  The forward lower shrouds should also be connected to their chainplates, but they won't reach.  This is where the chains are used to extend the forward lowers.  

When you get to the point where the mast is vertical, the mast crane will be close to horizontal, but there should still be enough room to continue to rotate the winch handle until the back stays are pretty tight, and the forestay can be attached to its chainplate without too much struggle.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2021-10-19, at 22:02:11 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>
> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link short. 
> But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay chainplate. 
> Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in third 
> link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was parallel to 
> deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn. 
> 
> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead because 
> when it popped the headstay was looser. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 


From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Oct 20 10:01:18 2021
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 10:01:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <04816338-46F7-439E-9620-9C81F5C67305@yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1569.1634617097.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <04816338-46F7-439E-9620-9C81F5C67305@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <86679676-9B2A-4572-B4E1-39596260712F@stottarchitecture.com>

GM List 
Since I owned the boat in 2013, I have used friends and family for my mast crane.
Manipulating it without a crane is not as difficult with a continental rig because it?w lighter without the main sail attached. 
Now - I have a home made crane that I bought in NJ, and used without any guidance. 
I used it the first time at the end of 2020 to lower the mast. 
Intuitively - I hooked the froward-lowers to the crane and left the aft-lowers connected  to the chainplates.
Worked like a charm! 
I made the same connections to raise the mast this spring - again - no problem.
I don?t understand the logic of connecting the aft-lowers to the crane and the need for extenders for the forward-lowers.
Can someone fill me in? 
Ric
Dadventure 
HBNY  

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Oct 19, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link short. But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay chainplate. Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in third link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was parallel to deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn. 
> 
> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead because when it popped the headstay was looser. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:18 AM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
>> 
>> ?Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
>>   rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> 
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>> 
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
>> 
>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>  1. Re: Live from Annapolis this morning (Tom Van Heule)
>>  2. Help (Chris Geankoplis)
>>  3. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
>>  4. Re: Stan at the show (Mark Wynn)
>>  5. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
>>  6. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Chris Geankoplis)
>>  7. Re: Help (Michael Corley)
>>  8. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Stephen Staum)
>>  9. Re: Help (Chris Geankoplis)
>> 10. Re: Bimini Car attachment (C. Robert Lester)
>> 11. First time (Wilson Cook)
>> 12. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
>> 13. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
>> 14. Re: First time (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>> 15. Re: First time (Wilson Cook)
>> 16. Re: First time (Jesse Shumaker)
>> 17. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
>> 18. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
>> 19. Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
>> 20. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Todd Tavares)
>> 21. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
>> 22. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Michael D. Weisner)
>> 
>> 
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:34:40 -0500
>> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAEqJHY5LLMDyswRbCr9-Z=tE7xwKOZJ383pegVar2dtuJE99YQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> And all of us!!!
>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 2:48 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Please say hi to Stan from Vermont Graham!
>>> G
>>> Sv.00Sailin
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Charles,
>>>>          I wasn't going to go to the show because General Boats was not
>>>> listed.  But now I see that you are there!  I'm on my way down and should
>>>> be there in an hour and a half or less!  Looking forward to seeing you
>>>> guys.  I'm in the states only a few days before returning to Greece so
>>> this
>>>> is a great way to spend some time.
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 10:31 AM Charles Gabriel <
>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
>>>>> live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
>>>>> happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
>>>>> it here:
>>>>> https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:07:58 -0400
>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CADNTwiWZ_AjEddR_w_m3z33OCEci-QnysCQFQtABYJiCZBRV9w at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and perhaps
>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help but
>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can handle
>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>> great.
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> ENOSIS
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:16:50 -0400
>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> To: Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CADNTwiVARD1HbFctbEjU28g6c9j4MaJgMrgQO1=Zx0pFu0Jucg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the US to
>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
>> need bail money.
>> 
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> ENOSIS
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Chris.   Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
>>> Rhodes story
>>> 
>>> Welcome home!
>>> 
>>> Rod and Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>> owners to
>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>>> bit
>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
>>>> age.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> Enosis
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:51:03 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>,  Rod Ellner
>>   <rodellner at mac.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>> Message-ID: <1408987542.1546022.1634381463595 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a cake with hack saw blade included.?Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?? on Magothy River, MD
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>> 
>> 
>> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the US to
>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
>> need bail money.
>> 
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> ENOSIS
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Chris.? Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.? We need to hear your Rhode
>>> Rhodes story
>>> 
>>> Welcome home!
>>> 
>>> Rod and Mary
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Bill Wickman and? I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>> owners to
>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>>> bit
>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
>>>> age.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> Enosis
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:32:29 -0400
>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> To: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CADNTwiWGTu=nX-HOe-kYOaeu4quHdQVJzoM6+Tiodcg70i0_bA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Thanks for the thought Mark. Hope you get a chance to see Stan. Just got an
>> email from my Turkish ?agent?. Looks like the solution can be ? arranged?.
>> I?m not going to ask. Have you guys been out on the boat?
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> Enosis
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 6:51 AM Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a cake
>>> with hack saw blade included. Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?  on Magothy
>>> River, MD
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the US to
>>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
>>> need bail money.
>>> 
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> ENOSIS
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Chris.  Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
>>>> Rhodes story
>>>> 
>>>> Welcome home!
>>>> 
>>>> Rod and Mary
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>>> owners to
>>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>>>> bit
>>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half my
>>>>> age.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> Enosis
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:37:57 -0400
>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson Cook
>>   <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CADNTwiWF8vEFs0cJ2H_vmyPn_BbT6evCfU+wp8J4aJ6tFaBs0Q at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Welcome Wilson!  You are now a member of a group of passionate, devoted
>> (hmm sounds a bit like a cult- might be)  group of men and women who take
>> great joy in sailing and helping others enjoy their Rhodes.
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> Enosis
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
>>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some index or
>>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:12:29 -0400
>> From: Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CACSd1j+k0qTKqABordYLNz45z2HHNUga9z94EiQa=SD73T63fg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
>> 
>> -Mike Corley
>> s/v Ranger
>> Hampton Roads
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and perhaps
>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help but
>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can handle
>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>> great.
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> ENOSIS
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:14:36 -0400
>> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
>> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAOo_Fjcj7xQMuEEmxES8CRsp0bHH0tB6d8_+87Txp+rS4XMs1Q at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Wilson,
>> 
>> Welcome to 'da list.  Let us know if you need any help or advice.
>> 
>> 
>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>> 
>> *Stephen Staum*
>> *s/v Pinafore (my 3rd Rhodes 22)*
>> 
>> *Needham, MA*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
>>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some index or
>>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:48:58 -0400
>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CADNTwiV2t-Ef4DcqnjiXmn6mc3pgF+sQu1nxSWJuho-mSwJdzQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> That is great Mike.  We all appreciate your helping Stan!
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> Enosis
>> 
>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:12 AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
>>> 
>>> -Mike Corley
>>> s/v Ranger
>>> Hampton Roads
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
>>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>>> perhaps
>>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help
>>> but
>>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>>> handle
>>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>>> great.
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> ENOSIS
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:11:05 +0000
>> From: "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
>> Message-ID:
>>   <BN9PR03MB61567E7B2DA124E065DBBFEDAEBA9 at BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Found it!
>> 
>> https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-27/canvas-covers/biminis/bimini-genoa-track-cars/
>> 
>> Thanks all for the feedback an pics.
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:46 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
>> 
>> Bob,
>> 
>> I'm not sure what you are asking for.
>> A bimini car rides on the genoa track (usually).
>> 
>> As far as the traveller car, there have been several different styles of traveller used over the years. Some are specific custom cars and others are available commercially.
>> 
>> 
>> If you are looking for the traveller car that rides on a 1" round bar, original probably after 1984, it is available from rig rite.
>> 
>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2FTravellers%2FNF_Travellers%2FRound%2520Bar%2520Travellers.php&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Ca5fd7dcf75fc4b6555e508d98734fdec%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637689484519658672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=sKNpdcuORflc9uCgB2PgoSHMd9%2Fat1HFmajlMfbHo1A%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 12:06 AM C. Robert Lester < C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> Would some of you share a pic with me...I'm interested in what the 
>>> bimini car on the traveler looks like.
>>> I'm currently trying to mate the parts I have together.
>>> Thank you,
>>> Bob
>>> ('84 ORION)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 07:57:46 -0400
>> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> Message-ID: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E at yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser. 
>> 
>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:17:30 +0000
>> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
>> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson
>>   Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> Message-ID:
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>> 
>> Wilson,
>> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next to the chainplate. - rob
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> 
>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>> 
>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:11:05 -0700
>> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> Message-ID: <E1mcSPx-000V1H-Cu at s152.servername.online>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> ?or it might be on the port side.
>> 
>> Which side the tensioner get cleated to depends on how the blocks on the back stays are configured.  Mine are set for port side cleaning, but General Boats put cleats on both sides, just in case.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016]
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2021-10-18, at 08:17:30 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wilson,
>>> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next to the 
>>> chainplate. - rob 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 14
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:36:06 +0000
>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CH2PR02MB6920B2DEB50D42D434B525BE80BC9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> 
>> Hi Wilson,
>> 
>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes it a safe, foolproof operation.
>> 
>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.  Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>> 
>> 
>> 1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>> 2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
>> 3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>> 
>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).  So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note, the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
>> 
>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated with the genoa.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> 
>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>> 
>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 15
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:07:21 -0400
>> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> Message-ID: <830884C5-A7FA-4F95-82DA-E07A302138A7 at yahoo.com>
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>> 
>> Yes I have the mast hoist. I can?t imagine it would be possible certainly alone without it. I?m at work but I do have a vague memory of a cleat over there that I thought was odd. Now I know.   
>> 
>> This is a great resource. Thank you
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 11:36 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Hi Wilson,
>>> 
>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>> 
>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.  Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>>> 
>>> Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>> Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
>>> 10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>> 
>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).  So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note, the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>> 
>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated with the genoa.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> <919EB46A00C54B95B151B34D35E652BB.jpg>
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list
>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>> 
>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser. 
>>> 
>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 16
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:19:34 -0500
>> From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAMc-3fpPOvWvYRvkEdewDpXGfHo94czkHRr-3y4Nc_5NffyP4w at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Roger, great idea on the easily adjustable backstay adjuster!
>> 
>> Wilson, there are a number of posts with checklists for mast raising /
>> lowering using the GB system that people have created over time.  Let us
>> know if you are looking for that and have any trouble finding examples.
>> 
>> Jesse Shumaker
>> S/V Zephyr
>> 
>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:36 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Wilson,
>>> 
>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
>>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
>>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
>>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
>>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>> 
>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
>>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>> 2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
>>> 3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
>>> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>> 
>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard horned
>>> cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now,
>>> using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay control
>>> line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up the
>>> slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension in the
>>> backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control line to
>>> the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate
>>> forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the
>>> backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).  So,
>>> I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note, the
>>> Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the backstay
>>> tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>> 
>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling Headsail
>>> Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated
>>> with the genoa.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>> 
>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short
>>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was
>>> the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it
>>> was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
>>> masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>> 
>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>> there is no cleat?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 17
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:25:23 -0700
>> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> Message-ID: <E1mcZCF-003QBi-IT at s152.servername.online>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>> 
>> Wilson,
>> 
>> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the forestay connection, unless...
>> 
>> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short 
>>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the 
>>> headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was 
>>> finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and 
>>> then forestay was looser. 
>>> 
>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is 
>>> no cleat? 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 18
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:34:17 +0000
>> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> Message-ID:
>>   <DM6PR05MB698545815394C03865A1E249C1BC9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Photos always help too. Take a photo (jpeg preferred) and send it to us as an attachment.  Having the backstay adjustment slack will also give you some leeway with the forestay.  Once it's connected, you can tighten the backstays. 
>> 
>> Rob
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 4:25 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> 
>> Wilson,
>> 
>> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the forestay connection, unless...
>> 
>> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a 
>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest 
>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening 
>>> chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays 
>>> something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>> 
>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but 
>>> there is no cleat?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 19
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:24:40 -0500
>> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is the
>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a member
>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take care
>> of this in the early off season ;)
>> 
>> Matt Wilson
>> Hornblower 2
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 20
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:30:39 -0400
>> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Matt,
>> 
>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>> plates yourself.
>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they
>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>> several years ago.
>> 
>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is the
>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a member
>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take care
>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>> 
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Hornblower 2
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 21
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:48:01 -0500
>> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CANbEFCviibdgn9JPFBpMoUinzCNqh3KSYHQkJfZUPuLN9MwmDg at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Are there different strengths or if I get the same thickness it should
>> suffice?   Thanks Todd!
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Matt,
>>> 
>>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>>> plates yourself.
>>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
>>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they
>>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>>> several years ago.
>>> 
>>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>>> 
>>> Todd T.
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>> the
>>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>>> member
>>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>>> care
>>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>>> 
>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 22
>> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:18:10 -0400
>> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>> Message-ID: <003b01d7c4a0$5405b2b0$fc111810$@ebsmed.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Matt,
>> 
>> If you make a pair, be sure that you specify that you need both sides and that they are mirror images with respect to the edge bevels.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Todd Tavares
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:31 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>> 
>> Matt,
>> 
>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek plates yourself.
>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a set.
>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one they may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard several years ago.
>> 
>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>> 
>> Todd T.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> 
>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is 
>>> the best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not 
>>> a member of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping 
>>> to take care of this in the early off season ;)
>>> 
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Hornblower 2
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 11:05:03 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:05:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1
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Ric,

It must be that the front lower stays attached with the chain extensions
are to keep the mast from leaning beam wise??

I have a self-made system and attach the forward lowers to the crane pole,
and have wondered the same thing.

I  use baby stays attached to eyelets on the mast below the spreader
brackets to keep the mast in line. This method was outlined in one of the
early GB instructions. My system utilizes the trailer winch cable attached
to the crane pole. The baby stay lines run under the cabintop handrail aft
of the center mount fitting then forward and tied off to the trailer tower
next to the winch with a tautline hitch. I can easily adjust the tension in
flight, and if the mast tries to lean sideways while cranking, I can just
put a bit of pressure down on the opposite baby stay and bring the mast
back/keep it in line.

I have purchased a small at electric winch at Harbor Freight that I will
try next spring
It has a remote fob so I can stand on the foredeck and control the mast by
and foresail/furler without having to stay at the winch. It should make the
process much easier single handed...hopefully.

Todd T

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:01 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:

> GM List
> Since I owned the boat in 2013, I have used friends and family for my mast
> crane.
> Manipulating it without a crane is not as difficult with a continental rig
> because it?w lighter without the main sail attached.
> Now - I have a home made crane that I bought in NJ, and used without any
> guidance.
> I used it the first time at the end of 2020 to lower the mast.
> Intuitively - I hooked the froward-lowers to the crane and left the
> aft-lowers connected  to the chainplates.
> Worked like a charm!
> I made the same connections to raise the mast this spring - again - no
> problem.
> I don?t understand the logic of connecting the aft-lowers to the crane and
> the need for extenders for the forward-lowers.
> Can someone fill me in?
> Ric
> Dadventure
> HBNY
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Oct 19, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
> short. But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
> chainplate. Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered
> again-put in third link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank
> handle was parallel to deck instead perpendicular would have had another
> turn.
> >
> > As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
> because when it popped the headstay was looser.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:18 AM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
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> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>  1. Re: Live from Annapolis this morning (Tom Van Heule)
> >>  2. Help (Chris Geankoplis)
> >>  3. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
> >>  4. Re: Stan at the show (Mark Wynn)
> >>  5. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
> >>  6. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Chris Geankoplis)
> >>  7. Re: Help (Michael Corley)
> >>  8. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Stephen Staum)
> >>  9. Re: Help (Chris Geankoplis)
> >> 10. Re: Bimini Car attachment (C. Robert Lester)
> >> 11. First time (Wilson Cook)
> >> 12. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
> >> 13. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
> >> 14. Re: First time (ROGER PIHLAJA)
> >> 15. Re: First time (Wilson Cook)
> >> 16. Re: First time (Jesse Shumaker)
> >> 17. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
> >> 18. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
> >> 19. Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
> >> 20. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Todd Tavares)
> >> 21. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
> >> 22. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Michael D. Weisner)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:34:40 -0500
> >> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CAEqJHY5LLMDyswRbCr9-Z=tE7xwKOZJ383pegVar2dtuJE99YQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> And all of us!!!
> >>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 2:48 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Please say hi to Stan from Vermont Graham!
> >>> G
> >>> Sv.00Sailin
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> >>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Charles,
> >>>>          I wasn't going to go to the show because General Boats was
> not
> >>>> listed.  But now I see that you are there!  I'm on my way down and
> should
> >>>> be there in an hour and a half or less!  Looking forward to seeing you
> >>>> guys.  I'm in the states only a few days before returning to Greece so
> >>> this
> >>>> is a great way to spend some time.
> >>>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 10:31 AM Charles Gabriel <
> >>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
> >>>>> live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
> >>>>> happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
> >>>>> it here:
> >>>>> https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 2
> >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:07:58 -0400
> >> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CADNTwiWZ_AjEddR_w_m3z33OCEci-QnysCQFQtABYJiCZBRV9w at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
> >> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
> perhaps
> >> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help
> but
> >> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
> handle
> >> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
> >> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
> >> great.
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> ENOSIS
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:16:50 -0400
> >> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> To: Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CADNTwiVARD1HbFctbEjU28g6c9j4MaJgMrgQO1=Zx0pFu0Jucg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
> >> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
> US to
> >> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
> >> need bail money.
> >>
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> ENOSIS
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Chris.   Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
> >>> Rhodes story
> >>>
> >>> Welcome home!
> >>>
> >>> Rod and Mary
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
> >>> owners to
> >>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
> >>> bit
> >>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
> my
> >>>> age.
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>>> Enosis
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 4
> >> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:51:03 +0000 (UTC)
> >> From: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>,  Rod Ellner
> >>   <rodellner at mac.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
> >> Message-ID: <1408987542.1546022.1634381463595 at mail.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a
> cake with hack saw blade included.?Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?? on
> Magothy River, MD
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> >>
> >>
> >> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
> >> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
> US to
> >> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
> >> need bail money.
> >>
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> ENOSIS
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Chris.? Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.? We need to hear your Rhode
> >>> Rhodes story
> >>>
> >>> Welcome home!
> >>>
> >>> Rod and Mary
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Bill Wickman and? I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
> >>> owners to
> >>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
> >>> bit
> >>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
> my
> >>>> age.
> >>>>
> >>>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>>> Enosis
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 5
> >> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:32:29 -0400
> >> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> To: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CADNTwiWGTu=nX-HOe-kYOaeu4quHdQVJzoM6+Tiodcg70i0_bA at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Thanks for the thought Mark. Hope you get a chance to see Stan. Just
> got an
> >> email from my Turkish ?agent?. Looks like the solution can be ?
> arranged?.
> >> I?m not going to ask. Have you guys been out on the boat?
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> Enosis
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 6:51 AM Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a
> cake
> >>> with hack saw blade included. Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?  on Magothy
> >>> River, MD
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> >>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
> >>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
> US to
> >>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if
> I
> >>> need bail money.
> >>>
> >>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>> ENOSIS
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
> >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Chris.  Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
> >>>> Rhodes story
> >>>>
> >>>> Welcome home!
> >>>>
> >>>> Rod and Mary
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
> >>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
> >>>> owners to
> >>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use
> a
> >>>> bit
> >>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
> my
> >>>>> age.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>>>> Enosis
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 6
> >> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:37:57 -0400
> >> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson Cook
> >>   <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CADNTwiWF8vEFs0cJ2H_vmyPn_BbT6evCfU+wp8J4aJ6tFaBs0Q at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Welcome Wilson!  You are now a member of a group of passionate, devoted
> >> (hmm sounds a bit like a cult- might be)  group of men and women who
> take
> >> great joy in sailing and helping others enjoy their Rhodes.
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> Enosis
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
> >>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some
> index or
> >>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 7
> >> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:12:29 -0400
> >> From: Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CACSd1j+k0qTKqABordYLNz45z2HHNUga9z94EiQa=SD73T63fg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
> >>
> >> -Mike Corley
> >> s/v Ranger
> >> Hampton Roads
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to
> attend
> >>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
> perhaps
> >>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to
> help but
> >>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
> handle
> >>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
> >>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
> >>> great.
> >>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>> ENOSIS
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 8
> >> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:14:36 -0400
> >> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
> >> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CAOo_Fjcj7xQMuEEmxES8CRsp0bHH0tB6d8_+87Txp+rS4XMs1Q at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Wilson,
> >>
> >> Welcome to 'da list.  Let us know if you need any help or advice.
> >>
> >>
> >> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >>
> >> *Stephen Staum*
> >> *s/v Pinafore (my 3rd Rhodes 22)*
> >>
> >> *Needham, MA*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
> >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
> >>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some
> index or
> >>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 9
> >> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:48:58 -0400
> >> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CADNTwiV2t-Ef4DcqnjiXmn6mc3pgF+sQu1nxSWJuho-mSwJdzQ at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> That is great Mike.  We all appreciate your helping Stan!
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> Enosis
> >>
> >> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:12 AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
> >>>
> >>> -Mike Corley
> >>> s/v Ranger
> >>> Hampton Roads
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> >>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to
> attend
> >>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
> >>> perhaps
> >>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to
> help
> >>> but
> >>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
> >>> handle
> >>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
> >>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
> >>>> great.
> >>>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>>> ENOSIS
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 10
> >> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:11:05 +0000
> >> From: "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <
> BN9PR03MB61567E7B2DA124E065DBBFEDAEBA9 at BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com
> >
> >>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
> >> Found it!
> >>
> >>
> https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-27/canvas-covers/biminis/bimini-genoa-track-cars/
> >>
> >> Thanks all for the feedback an pics.
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Todd Tavares
> >> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:46 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
> >>
> >> Bob,
> >>
> >> I'm not sure what you are asking for.
> >> A bimini car rides on the genoa track (usually).
> >>
> >> As far as the traveller car, there have been several different styles
> of traveller used over the years. Some are specific custom cars and others
> are available commercially.
> >>
> >>
> >> If you are looking for the traveller car that rides on a 1" round bar,
> original probably after 1984, it is available from rig rite.
> >>
> >>
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2FTravellers%2FNF_Travellers%2FRound%2520Bar%2520Travellers.php&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Ca5fd7dcf75fc4b6555e508d98734fdec%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637689484519658672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=sKNpdcuORflc9uCgB2PgoSHMd9%2Fat1HFmajlMfbHo1A%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 12:06 AM C. Robert Lester <
> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>> Would some of you share a pic with me...I'm interested in what the
> >>> bimini car on the traveler looks like.
> >>> I'm currently trying to mate the parts I have together.
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Bob
> >>> ('84 ORION)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 11
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 07:57:46 -0400
> >> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >> Message-ID: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E at yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> >>
> >> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
> >>
> >> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
> there is no cleat?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 12
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:17:30 +0000
> >> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> >> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson
> >>   Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <
> DM6PR05MB6985FAA050B2F85FC2E6F600C1BC9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com
> >
> >>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >>
> >> Wilson,
> >> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next to
> the chainplate. - rob
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >>
> >> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
> >>
> >> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
> there is no cleat?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 13
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:11:05 -0700
> >> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >> Message-ID: <E1mcSPx-000V1H-Cu at s152.servername.online>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> ?or it might be on the port side.
> >>
> >> Which side the tensioner get cleated to depends on how the blocks on
> the back stays are configured.  Mine are set for port side cleaning, but
> General Boats put cleats on both sides, just in case.
> >>
> >> Peter Nyberg
> >> Coventry, CT
> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016]
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 2021-10-18, at 08:17:30 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Wilson,
> >>> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next
> to the
> >>> chainplate. - rob
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 14
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:36:06 +0000
> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
> >>   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <
> CH2PR02MB6920B2DEB50D42D434B525BE80BC9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com
> >
> >>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> >>
> >> Hi Wilson,
> >>
> >> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
> it a safe, foolproof operation.
> >>
> >> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
> >>
> >>
> >> 1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
> >> 2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up
> Spring
> >> 3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
> >>
> >> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
> horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.
> Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
> control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take
> up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
> in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
> line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to
> eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave
> the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).
> So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note,
> the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
> backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
> >>
> >> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
> Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade
> associated with the genoa.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
> >>
> >> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >>
> >> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
> >>
> >> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
> there is no cleat?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> -------------- next part --------------
> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> >> Size: 192766 bytes
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> >> URL: <
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211018/7f5499a9/attachment.jpg
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 15
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:07:21 -0400
> >> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
> >> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >> Message-ID: <830884C5-A7FA-4F95-82DA-E07A302138A7 at yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Yes I have the mast hoist. I can?t imagine it would be possible
> certainly alone without it. I?m at work but I do have a vague memory of a
> cleat over there that I thought was odd. Now I know.
> >>
> >> This is a great resource. Thank you
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 11:36 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?
> >>> Hi Wilson,
> >>>
> >>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
> it a safe, foolproof operation.
> >>>
> >>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
> >>>
> >>> Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
> >>> Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
> >>> 10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine
> Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
> >>>
> >>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
> horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.
> Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
> control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take
> up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
> in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
> line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to
> eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave
> the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).
> So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note,
> the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
> backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
> >>>
> >>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
> Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade
> associated with the genoa.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>
> >>> <919EB46A00C54B95B151B34D35E652BB.jpg>
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Mail for Windows
> >>>
> >>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list
> >>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >>>
> >>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
> >>>
> >>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
> there is no cleat?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 16
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:19:34 -0500
> >> From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CAMc-3fpPOvWvYRvkEdewDpXGfHo94czkHRr-3y4Nc_5NffyP4w at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Roger, great idea on the easily adjustable backstay adjuster!
> >>
> >> Wilson, there are a number of posts with checklists for mast raising /
> >> lowering using the GB system that people have created over time.  Let us
> >> know if you are looking for that and have any trouble finding examples.
> >>
> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:36 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Wilson,
> >>>
> >>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
> >>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast
> without
> >>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you
> have
> >>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI
> mast
> >>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system
> makes
> >>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
> >>>
> >>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
> >>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
> >>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
> >>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay
> sag.
> >>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
> >>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay
> adjuster:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
> >>> 2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up
> Spring
> >>> 3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
> >>> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
> >>>
> >>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
> horned
> >>> cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now,
> >>> using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
> control
> >>> line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up
> the
> >>> slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
> in the
> >>> backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
> line to
> >>> the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate
> >>> forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the
> >>> backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana
> boat!).  So,
> >>> I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.
> Note, the
> >>> Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
> backstay
> >>> tension from any position in the cockpit.
> >>>
> >>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
> Headsail
> >>> Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated
> >>> with the genoa.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>
> >>> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
> >>>
> >>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
> >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >>>
> >>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
> short
> >>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
> challenge was
> >>> the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice.
> Once it
> >>> was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
> >>> masthead and then forestay was looser.
> >>>
> >>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
> >>> there is no cleat?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> >>> Name: 919EB46A00C54B95B151B34D35E652BB.jpg
> >>> Type: image/jpeg
> >>> Size: 192766 bytes
> >>> Desc: 919EB46A00C54B95B151B34D35E652BB.jpg
> >>> URL: <
> >>>
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211018/7f5499a9/attachment.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 17
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:25:23 -0700
> >> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >> Message-ID: <E1mcZCF-003QBi-IT at s152.servername.online>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >>
> >> Wilson,
> >>
> >> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I
> assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to
> its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention
> of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect
> on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the
> forestay connection, unless...
> >>
> >> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
> >>
> >> Peter Nyberg
> >> Coventry, CT
> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>
> >>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
> short
> >>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
> challenge was the
> >>> headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it
> was
> >>> finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
> masthead and
> >>> then forestay was looser.
> >>>
> >>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
> there is
> >>> no cleat?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 18
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:34:17 +0000
> >> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <
> DM6PR05MB698545815394C03865A1E249C1BC9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com
> >
> >>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Photos always help too. Take a photo (jpeg preferred) and send it to us
> as an attachment.  Having the backstay adjustment slack will also give you
> some leeway with the forestay.  Once it's connected, you can tighten the
> backstays.
> >>
> >> Rob
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 4:25 PM
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> >>
> >> Wilson,
> >>
> >> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I
> assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to
> its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention
> of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect
> on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the
> forestay connection, unless...
> >>
> >> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
> >>
> >> Peter Nyberg
> >> Coventry, CT
> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>
> >>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
> >>>
> >>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
> >>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
> >>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening
> >>> chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays
> >>> something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
> >>>
> >>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
> >>> there is no cleat?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 19
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:24:40 -0500
> >> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
> the
> >> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
> member
> >> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
> care
> >> of this in the early off season ;)
> >>
> >> Matt Wilson
> >> Hornblower 2
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 20
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:30:39 -0400
> >> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Matt,
> >>
> >> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
> >> plates yourself.
> >> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
> set.
> >> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
> they
> >> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
> >> several years ago.
> >>
> >> http://norvaplastics.com/
> >>
> >> Todd T.
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
> the
> >>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
> member
> >>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
> care
> >>> of this in the early off season ;)
> >>>
> >>> Matt Wilson
> >>> Hornblower 2
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 21
> >> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:48:01 -0500
> >> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> >> Message-ID:
> >>   <CANbEFCviibdgn9JPFBpMoUinzCNqh3KSYHQkJfZUPuLN9MwmDg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Are there different strengths or if I get the same thickness it should
> >> suffice?   Thanks Todd!
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Matt,
> >>>
> >>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
> >>> plates yourself.
> >>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
> set.
> >>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
> they
> >>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
> >>> several years ago.
> >>>
> >>> http://norvaplastics.com/
> >>>
> >>> Todd T.
> >>>
> >>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
> >>> the
> >>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
> >>> member
> >>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
> >>> care
> >>>> of this in the early off season ;)
> >>>>
> >>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>> Hornblower 2
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 22
> >> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:18:10 -0400
> >> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> >> Message-ID: <003b01d7c4a0$5405b2b0$fc111810$@ebsmed.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
> >>
> >> Matt,
> >>
> >> If you make a pair, be sure that you specify that you need both sides
> and that they are mirror images with respect to the edge bevels.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Todd Tavares
> >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:31 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
> >>
> >> Matt,
> >>
> >> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
> plates yourself.
> >> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
> set.
> >> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
> they may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
> several years ago.
> >>
> >> http://norvaplastics.com/
> >>
> >> Todd T.
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>>
> >>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
> >>> the best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not
> >>> a member of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping
> >>> to take care of this in the early off season ;)
> >>>
> >>> Matt Wilson
> >>> Hornblower 2
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> Subject: Digest Footer
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Rhodes22-list mailing list
> >> Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
> >>
> >>
> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1
> >> **********************************************
> >
>
>

From stan at generalboats.com  Wed Oct 20 11:55:04 2021
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:55:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
Message-ID: <6d3d6d5d-d862-a278-78c1-ba86221aa5a3@generalboats.com>

Another show, another milestone.

Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man 
office so patience is requested.

With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production 
end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show 
(compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first 
day.? A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to 
multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own 
business to make that happen. ? And equal thanks to long time owner 
Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in 
spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area, 
collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.? Thanks also to 
Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their 
world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old 
man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.

Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month 
to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the 
second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere 
in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged 
ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.

stan


From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed Oct 20 12:41:33 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:41:33 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
In-Reply-To: <6d3d6d5d-d862-a278-78c1-ba86221aa5a3@generalboats.com>
References: <6d3d6d5d-d862-a278-78c1-ba86221aa5a3@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <1531204235.2633443.1634748093863@mail.yahoo.com>

glad you made the show Stan best wishes Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 11:55 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report

Another show, another milestone.

Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man 
office so patience is requested.

With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production 
end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show 
(compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first 
day.? A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to 
multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own 
business to make that happen. ? And equal thanks to long time owner 
Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in 
spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area, 
collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.? Thanks also to 
Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their 
world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old 
man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.

Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month 
to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the 
second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere 
in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged 
ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.

stan


From joedempsey at hughes.net  Wed Oct 20 13:00:24 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:00:24 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
Message-ID: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>

Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
order more when these are gone.


From forg3d at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 13:28:19 2021
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:28:19 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
In-Reply-To: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>
References: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <48DBACE1-5D65-41B2-8ABA-8DA2393C492E@gmail.com>

Two hats!!

What do I need to do?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
> the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
> some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
> order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
> order more when these are gone.
> 

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Wed Oct 20 13:31:25 2021
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:31:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMPa3EaZzAV0KR8hs-M+KhohvXvG-QXe1VH+vObBO2i-tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1569.1634617097.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <04816338-46F7-439E-9620-9C81F5C67305@yahoo.com>
 <86679676-9B2A-4572-B4E1-39596260712F@stottarchitecture.com>
 <CAB-twMPa3EaZzAV0KR8hs-M+KhohvXvG-QXe1VH+vObBO2i-tw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F24BE7E2-D899-4700-8EC0-EA7815AF157F@stottarchitecture.com>

Thanks Todd 
I?m usually by myself also. 
I love the idea of the electric winch with a remote - let us know how that goes.  
So far I have not had sideways leaning  issues that couldn?t be controlled easily from the crane as the mast is on the way up or down - even in some pretty heavy wind. 
I will be lowering the mast this Saturday while on the mooring so that when I motor over to the ramp at dusk, I can haul-it and go - 
Shhhh! - long silly story about municipal permits, trailers and tow vehicles. 
Ric 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Oct 20, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ric,
> 
> It must be that the front lower stays attached with the chain extensions
> are to keep the mast from leaning beam wise??
> 
> I have a self-made system and attach the forward lowers to the crane pole,
> and have wondered the same thing.
> 
> I  use baby stays attached to eyelets on the mast below the spreader
> brackets to keep the mast in line. This method was outlined in one of the
> early GB instructions. My system utilizes the trailer winch cable attached
> to the crane pole. The baby stay lines run under the cabintop handrail aft
> of the center mount fitting then forward and tied off to the trailer tower
> next to the winch with a tautline hitch. I can easily adjust the tension in
> flight, and if the mast tries to lean sideways while cranking, I can just
> put a bit of pressure down on the opposite baby stay and bring the mast
> back/keep it in line.
> 
> I have purchased a small at electric winch at Harbor Freight that I will
> try next spring
> It has a remote fob so I can stand on the foredeck and control the mast by
> and foresail/furler without having to stay at the winch. It should make the
> process much easier single handed...hopefully.
> 
> Todd T
> 
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:01 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
>> GM List
>> Since I owned the boat in 2013, I have used friends and family for my mast
>> crane.
>> Manipulating it without a crane is not as difficult with a continental rig
>> because it?w lighter without the main sail attached.
>> Now - I have a home made crane that I bought in NJ, and used without any
>> guidance.
>> I used it the first time at the end of 2020 to lower the mast.
>> Intuitively - I hooked the froward-lowers to the crane and left the
>> aft-lowers connected  to the chainplates.
>> Worked like a charm!
>> I made the same connections to raise the mast this spring - again - no
>> problem.
>> I don?t understand the logic of connecting the aft-lowers to the crane and
>> the need for extenders for the forward-lowers.
>> Can someone fill me in?
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> HBNY
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
>> short. But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
>> chainplate. Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered
>> again-put in third link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank
>> handle was parallel to deck instead perpendicular would have had another
>> turn.
>>> 
>>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
>> because when it popped the headstay was looser.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:18 AM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
>>>>  rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> 
>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>  http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>  rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
>>>> 
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>  rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org
>>>> 
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Re: Live from Annapolis this morning (Tom Van Heule)
>>>> 2. Help (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>> 3. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>> 4. Re: Stan at the show (Mark Wynn)
>>>> 5. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>> 6. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>> 7. Re: Help (Michael Corley)
>>>> 8. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Stephen Staum)
>>>> 9. Re: Help (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>> 10. Re: Bimini Car attachment (C. Robert Lester)
>>>> 11. First time (Wilson Cook)
>>>> 12. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
>>>> 13. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
>>>> 14. Re: First time (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>>>> 15. Re: First time (Wilson Cook)
>>>> 16. Re: First time (Jesse Shumaker)
>>>> 17. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
>>>> 18. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
>>>> 19. Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
>>>> 20. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Todd Tavares)
>>>> 21. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
>>>> 22. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Michael D. Weisner)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:34:40 -0500
>>>> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CAEqJHY5LLMDyswRbCr9-Z=tE7xwKOZJ383pegVar2dtuJE99YQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> And all of us!!!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 2:48 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please say hi to Stan from Vermont Graham!
>>>>> G
>>>>> Sv.00Sailin
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Charles,
>>>>>>         I wasn't going to go to the show because General Boats was
>> not
>>>>>> listed.  But now I see that you are there!  I'm on my way down and
>> should
>>>>>> be there in an hour and a half or less!  Looking forward to seeing you
>>>>>> guys.  I'm in the states only a few days before returning to Greece so
>>>>> this
>>>>>> is a great way to spend some time.
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 10:31 AM Charles Gabriel <
>>>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
>>>>>>> live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
>>>>>>> happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
>>>>>>> it here:
>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972
>>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:07:58 -0400
>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CADNTwiWZ_AjEddR_w_m3z33OCEci-QnysCQFQtABYJiCZBRV9w at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
>>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>> perhaps
>>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help
>> but
>>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>> handle
>>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>>> great.
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> ENOSIS
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:16:50 -0400
>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CADNTwiVARD1HbFctbEjU28g6c9j4MaJgMrgQO1=Zx0pFu0Jucg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>>>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
>> US to
>>>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
>>>> need bail money.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> ENOSIS
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Chris.   Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
>>>>> Rhodes story
>>>>> 
>>>>> Welcome home!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rod and Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>>>> owners to
>>>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>>>>> bit
>>>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
>> my
>>>>>> age.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:51:03 +0000 (UTC)
>>>> From: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>,  Rod Ellner
>>>>  <rodellner at mac.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>>>> Message-ID: <1408987542.1546022.1634381463595 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a
>> cake with hack saw blade included.?Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?? on
>> Magothy River, MD
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>>>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
>> US to
>>>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
>>>> need bail money.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> ENOSIS
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Chris.? Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.? We need to hear your Rhode
>>>>> Rhodes story
>>>>> 
>>>>> Welcome home!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rod and Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Bill Wickman and? I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>>>> owners to
>>>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>>>>> bit
>>>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
>> my
>>>>>> age.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:32:29 -0400
>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CADNTwiWGTu=nX-HOe-kYOaeu4quHdQVJzoM6+Tiodcg70i0_bA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the thought Mark. Hope you get a chance to see Stan. Just
>> got an
>>>> email from my Turkish ?agent?. Looks like the solution can be ?
>> arranged?.
>>>> I?m not going to ask. Have you guys been out on the boat?
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> Enosis
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 6:51 AM Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a
>> cake
>>>>> with hack saw blade included. Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?  on Magothy
>>>>> River, MD
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>>>>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
>> US to
>>>>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if
>> I
>>>>> need bail money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris.  Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
>>>>>> Rhodes story
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Welcome home!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rod and Mary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>>>>> owners to
>>>>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use
>> a
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
>> my
>>>>>>> age.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 6
>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:37:57 -0400
>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson Cook
>>>>  <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CADNTwiWF8vEFs0cJ2H_vmyPn_BbT6evCfU+wp8J4aJ6tFaBs0Q at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Welcome Wilson!  You are now a member of a group of passionate, devoted
>>>> (hmm sounds a bit like a cult- might be)  group of men and women who
>> take
>>>> great joy in sailing and helping others enjoy their Rhodes.
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> Enosis
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
>>>>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some
>> index or
>>>>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 7
>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:12:29 -0400
>>>> From: Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CACSd1j+k0qTKqABordYLNz45z2HHNUga9z94EiQa=SD73T63fg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
>>>> 
>>>> -Mike Corley
>>>> s/v Ranger
>>>> Hampton Roads
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to
>> attend
>>>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>> perhaps
>>>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to
>> help but
>>>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>> handle
>>>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>>>> great.
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 8
>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:14:36 -0400
>>>> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
>>>> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CAOo_Fjcj7xQMuEEmxES8CRsp0bHH0tB6d8_+87Txp+rS4XMs1Q at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Wilson,
>>>> 
>>>> Welcome to 'da list.  Let us know if you need any help or advice.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>>>> 
>>>> *Stephen Staum*
>>>> *s/v Pinafore (my 3rd Rhodes 22)*
>>>> 
>>>> *Needham, MA*
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
>>>>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some
>> index or
>>>>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 9
>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:48:58 -0400
>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CADNTwiV2t-Ef4DcqnjiXmn6mc3pgF+sQu1nxSWJuho-mSwJdzQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> That is great Mike.  We all appreciate your helping Stan!
>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>> Enosis
>>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:12 AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Mike Corley
>>>>> s/v Ranger
>>>>> Hampton Roads
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to
>> attend
>>>>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to
>> help
>>>>> but
>>>>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>>>>> handle
>>>>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>>>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 10
>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:11:05 +0000
>>>> From: "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <
>> BN9PR03MB61567E7B2DA124E065DBBFEDAEBA9 at BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>> 
>>>> Found it!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-27/canvas-covers/biminis/bimini-genoa-track-cars/
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks all for the feedback an pics.
>>>> Bob
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Todd Tavares
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:46 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
>>>> 
>>>> Bob,
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not sure what you are asking for.
>>>> A bimini car rides on the genoa track (usually).
>>>> 
>>>> As far as the traveller car, there have been several different styles
>> of traveller used over the years. Some are specific custom cars and others
>> are available commercially.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> If you are looking for the traveller car that rides on a 1" round bar,
>> original probably after 1984, it is available from rig rite.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2FTravellers%2FNF_Travellers%2FRound%2520Bar%2520Travellers.php&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Ca5fd7dcf75fc4b6555e508d98734fdec%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637689484519658672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=sKNpdcuORflc9uCgB2PgoSHMd9%2Fat1HFmajlMfbHo1A%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 12:06 AM C. Robert Lester <
>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> Would some of you share a pic with me...I'm interested in what the
>>>>> bimini car on the traveler looks like.
>>>>> I'm currently trying to mate the parts I have together.
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> ('84 ORION)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 11
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 07:57:46 -0400
>>>> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> Message-ID: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E at yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>> 
>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>> 
>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>> there is no cleat?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 12
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:17:30 +0000
>>>> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
>>>> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson
>>>>  Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <
>> DM6PR05MB6985FAA050B2F85FC2E6F600C1BC9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>> 
>>>> Wilson,
>>>> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next to
>> the chainplate. - rob
>>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>> Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> 
>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>> 
>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>> there is no cleat?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 13
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:11:05 -0700
>>>> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> Message-ID: <E1mcSPx-000V1H-Cu at s152.servername.online>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>> 
>>>> ?or it might be on the port side.
>>>> 
>>>> Which side the tensioner get cleated to depends on how the blocks on
>> the back stays are configured.  Mine are set for port side cleaning, but
>> General Boats put cleats on both sides, just in case.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016]
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2021-10-18, at 08:17:30 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next
>> to the
>>>>> chainplate. - rob
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 14
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:36:06 +0000
>>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>  <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <
>> CH2PR02MB6920B2DEB50D42D434B525BE80BC9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Wilson,
>>>> 
>>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>>> 
>>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>>> 2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up
>> Spring
>>>> 3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
>> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>>> 
>>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
>> horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.
>> Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
>> control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take
>> up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
>> in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
>> line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to
>> eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave
>> the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).
>> So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note,
>> the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
>> backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>>> 
>>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
>> Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade
>> associated with the genoa.
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows
>>>> 
>>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> 
>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>> 
>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>> there is no cleat?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 15
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:07:21 -0400
>>>> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> Message-ID: <830884C5-A7FA-4F95-82DA-E07A302138A7 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Yes I have the mast hoist. I can?t imagine it would be possible
>> certainly alone without it. I?m at work but I do have a vague memory of a
>> cleat over there that I thought was odd. Now I know.
>>>> 
>>>> This is a great resource. Thank you
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 11:36 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?
>>>>> Hi Wilson,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>>>> Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
>>>>> 10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine
>> Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>>>> 
>>>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
>> horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.
>> Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
>> control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take
>> up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
>> in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
>> line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to
>> eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave
>> the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).
>> So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note,
>> the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
>> backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
>> Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade
>> associated with the genoa.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>> 
>>>>> <919EB46A00C54B95B151B34D35E652BB.jpg>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>> there is no cleat?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 16
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:19:34 -0500
>>>> From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CAMc-3fpPOvWvYRvkEdewDpXGfHo94czkHRr-3y4Nc_5NffyP4w at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Roger, great idea on the easily adjustable backstay adjuster!
>>>> 
>>>> Wilson, there are a number of posts with checklists for mast raising /
>>>> lowering using the GB system that people have created over time.  Let us
>>>> know if you are looking for that and have any trouble finding examples.
>>>> 
>>>> Jesse Shumaker
>>>> S/V Zephyr
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:36 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Wilson,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>>>>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast
>> without
>>>>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you
>> have
>>>>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI
>> mast
>>>>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system
>> makes
>>>>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>>>>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>>>>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>>>>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay
>> sag.
>>>>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>>>>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay
>> adjuster:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>>>> 2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up
>> Spring
>>>>> 3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
>>>>> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>>>> 
>>>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
>> horned
>>>>> cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now,
>>>>> using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
>> control
>>>>> line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up
>> the
>>>>> slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
>> in the
>>>>> backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
>> line to
>>>>> the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate
>>>>> forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the
>>>>> backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana
>> boat!).  So,
>>>>> I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.
>> Note, the
>>>>> Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
>> backstay
>>>>> tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
>> Headsail
>>>>> Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated
>>>>> with the genoa.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>> 
>>>>> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>> short
>>>>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>> challenge was
>>>>> the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice.
>> Once it
>>>>> was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
>>>>> masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 17
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:25:23 -0700
>>>> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> Message-ID: <E1mcZCF-003QBi-IT at s152.servername.online>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Wilson,
>>>> 
>>>> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I
>> assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to
>> its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention
>> of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect
>> on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the
>> forestay connection, unless...
>>>> 
>>>> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>> short
>>>>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>> challenge was the
>>>>> headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it
>> was
>>>>> finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
>> masthead and
>>>>> then forestay was looser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>> there is
>>>>> no cleat?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 18
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:34:17 +0000
>>>> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <
>> DM6PR05MB698545815394C03865A1E249C1BC9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Photos always help too. Take a photo (jpeg preferred) and send it to us
>> as an attachment.  Having the backstay adjustment slack will also give you
>> some leeway with the forestay.  Once it's connected, you can tighten the
>> backstays.
>>>> 
>>>> Rob
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 4:25 PM
>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>> 
>>>> Wilson,
>>>> 
>>>> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I
>> assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to
>> its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention
>> of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect
>> on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the
>> forestay connection, unless...
>>>> 
>>>> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>> 
>>>>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening
>>>>> chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays
>>>>> something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 19
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:24:40 -0500
>>>> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>> the
>>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>> member
>>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>> care
>>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>>> 
>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 20
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:30:39 -0400
>>>> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Matt,
>>>> 
>>>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>>>> plates yourself.
>>>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
>> set.
>>>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
>> they
>>>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>>>> several years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>>>> 
>>>> Todd T.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>> the
>>>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>> member
>>>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>> care
>>>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 21
>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:48:01 -0500
>>>> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>  <CANbEFCviibdgn9JPFBpMoUinzCNqh3KSYHQkJfZUPuLN9MwmDg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Are there different strengths or if I get the same thickness it should
>>>> suffice?   Thanks Todd!
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>>>>> plates yourself.
>>>>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
>> set.
>>>>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
>> they
>>>>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>>>>> several years ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>>>> the
>>>>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>>>>> member
>>>>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>>>>> care
>>>>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Message: 22
>>>> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:18:10 -0400
>>>> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>> Message-ID: <003b01d7c4a0$5405b2b0$fc111810$@ebsmed.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
>>>> 
>>>> Matt,
>>>> 
>>>> If you make a pair, be sure that you specify that you need both sides
>> and that they are mirror images with respect to the edge bevels.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Todd Tavares
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:31 PM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>> 
>>>> Matt,
>>>> 
>>>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>> plates yourself.
>>>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
>> set.
>>>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
>> they may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>> several years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>>>> 
>>>> Todd T.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>>>> the best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not
>>>>> a member of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping
>>>>> to take care of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Digest Footer
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Rhodes22-list mailing list
>>>> Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>> http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1
>>>> **********************************************
>>> 
>> 
>> 


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 13:39:50 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:39:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
In-Reply-To: <6d3d6d5d-d862-a278-78c1-ba86221aa5a3@generalboats.com>
References: <6d3d6d5d-d862-a278-78c1-ba86221aa5a3@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMmxMXw-m+uZYGaMskVwMWh1fHysnGhX3LUOgkN+vJ73g@mail.gmail.com>

Stan
Congratulations on the sale!!  ...and on the successful show.

Todd Tavares

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:55 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Another show, another milestone.
>
> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man
> office so patience is requested.
>
> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production
> end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show
> (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first
> day.  A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to
> multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own
> business to make that happen.   And equal thanks to long time owner
> Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in
> spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area,
> collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.  Thanks also to
> Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their
> world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old
> man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
>
> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month
> to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the
> second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere
> in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged
> ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
>
> stan
>
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 14:14:46 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:14:46 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY7L6pnRT4F0ZnSKiBjte4Mp8F58eSPz6wcJNFsrd4ey8g@mail.gmail.com>

They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?

Thoughts?

The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....

It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 14:24:37 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:24:37 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
In-Reply-To: <E1md1Tt-00GmLT-Vb@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1md1Tt-00GmLT-Vb@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY4Md8VZRyDEnH0mw6CnC-9XSnxRKMARmGuMBvacQy8vgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Fwiw

Hook crane up to stand up. Chains on forward stays, forestay back to mast.
Lower.

On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:38 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Wilson,
>
> I suspect that you are using the chains in the wrong place.
>
> There has been more than one version of the mast lifting system, but I
> only know the details  of the one I have (circa 2016).  I'll just have to
> assume that yours is the same .
>
> When you are going to raise the mast, the mast crane should start out
> tipped a little aft of vertical.  The aft lower shrouds are attached
> directly to the mast crane.  The upper shrouds are connected to their
> chainplates.  The forward lower shrouds should also be connected to their
> chainplates, but they won't reach.  This is where the chains are used to
> extend the forward lowers.
>
> When you get to the point where the mast is vertical, the mast crane will
> be close to horizontal, but there should still be enough room to continue
> to rotate the winch handle until the back stays are pretty tight, and the
> forestay can be attached to its chainplate without too much struggle.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2021-10-19, at 22:02:11 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
> >
> > The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
> short.
> > But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
> chainplate.
> > Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in
> third
> > link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was
> parallel to
> > deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn.
> >
> > As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
> because
> > when it popped the headstay was looser.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
>
>
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From forg3d at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 14:53:25 2021
From: forg3d at gmail.com (Jeffrey Camiel)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:53:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY4Md8VZRyDEnH0mw6CnC-9XSnxRKMARmGuMBvacQy8vgQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY4Md8VZRyDEnH0mw6CnC-9XSnxRKMARmGuMBvacQy8vgQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2DAF0058-2B47-4A34-A291-FB9DE46E8734@gmail.com>

Folks,
How long are the chains for the forward stays?



Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Fwiw
> 
> Hook crane up to stand up. Chains on forward stays, forestay back to mast.
> Lower.
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:38 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wilson,
>> 
>> I suspect that you are using the chains in the wrong place.
>> 
>> There has been more than one version of the mast lifting system, but I
>> only know the details  of the one I have (circa 2016).  I'll just have to
>> assume that yours is the same .
>> 
>> When you are going to raise the mast, the mast crane should start out
>> tipped a little aft of vertical.  The aft lower shrouds are attached
>> directly to the mast crane.  The upper shrouds are connected to their
>> chainplates.  The forward lower shrouds should also be connected to their
>> chainplates, but they won't reach.  This is where the chains are used to
>> extend the forward lowers.
>> 
>> When you get to the point where the mast is vertical, the mast crane will
>> be close to horizontal, but there should still be enough room to continue
>> to rotate the winch handle until the back stays are pretty tight, and the
>> forestay can be attached to its chainplate without too much struggle.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>>> On 2021-10-19, at 22:02:11 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>> 
>>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
>> short.
>>> But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
>> chainplate.
>>> Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in
>> third
>>> link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was
>> parallel to
>>> deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn.
>>> 
>>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
>> because
>>> when it popped the headstay was looser.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 14:56:08 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
In-Reply-To: <2DAF0058-2B47-4A34-A291-FB9DE46E8734@gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY4Md8VZRyDEnH0mw6CnC-9XSnxRKMARmGuMBvacQy8vgQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <2DAF0058-2B47-4A34-A291-FB9DE46E8734@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEqJHY6LAf9VRUcXShnOGFMjLscgLyzeWVY1wGd_KmirHk=8Aw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have them on hand to measure.
Iirc, and I'm sure someone will correct/confirm, two 1/4" OD snap carbineer
with 8 loops of 1/4" OD galvanized chain.

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 1:53 PM Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:

> Folks,
> How long are the chains for the forward stays?
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Fwiw
> >
> > Hook crane up to stand up. Chains on forward stays, forestay back to
> mast.
> > Lower.
> >
> >> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:38 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Wilson,
> >>
> >> I suspect that you are using the chains in the wrong place.
> >>
> >> There has been more than one version of the mast lifting system, but I
> >> only know the details  of the one I have (circa 2016).  I'll just have
> to
> >> assume that yours is the same .
> >>
> >> When you are going to raise the mast, the mast crane should start out
> >> tipped a little aft of vertical.  The aft lower shrouds are attached
> >> directly to the mast crane.  The upper shrouds are connected to their
> >> chainplates.  The forward lower shrouds should also be connected to
> their
> >> chainplates, but they won't reach.  This is where the chains are used to
> >> extend the forward lowers.
> >>
> >> When you get to the point where the mast is vertical, the mast crane
> will
> >> be close to horizontal, but there should still be enough room to
> continue
> >> to rotate the winch handle until the back stays are pretty tight, and
> the
> >> forestay can be attached to its chainplate without too much struggle.
> >>
> >> Peter Nyberg
> >> Coventry, CT
> >> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >>
> >>>> On 2021-10-19, at 22:02:11 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
> >> short.
> >>> But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
> >> chainplate.
> >>> Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in
> >> third
> >>> link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was
> >> parallel to
> >>> deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn.
> >>>
> >>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
> >> because
> >>> when it popped the headstay was looser.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 15:05:02 2021
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:05:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMMmxMXw-m+uZYGaMskVwMWh1fHysnGhX3LUOgkN+vJ73g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6d3d6d5d-d862-a278-78c1-ba86221aa5a3@generalboats.com>
 <CAB-twMMmxMXw-m+uZYGaMskVwMWh1fHysnGhX3LUOgkN+vJ73g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47140BD9-34B3-4425-8ACE-62ACD71B9918@gmail.com>

Ditto from me ? great news about a successful boat show for GB and Stan!

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Stan
> Congratulations on the sale!!  ...and on the successful show.
> 
> Todd Tavares
> 
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:55 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
>> Another show, another milestone.
>> 
>> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man
>> office so patience is requested.
>> 
>> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production
>> end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show
>> (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first
>> day.  A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to
>> multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own
>> business to make that happen.   And equal thanks to long time owner
>> Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in
>> spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area,
>> collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.  Thanks also to
>> Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their
>> world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old
>> man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
>> 
>> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
>> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month
>> to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the
>> second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere
>> in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged
>> ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Oct 20 15:11:06 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:11:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
In-Reply-To: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>
References: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <002e01d7c5e6$3c659840$b530c8c0$@ebsmed.com>

Hey Joe,

Maybe you could send one to Stan.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe
Dempsey
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 1:00 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR

Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
order more when these are gone.


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Oct 20 15:14:22 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:14:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY7L6pnRT4F0ZnSKiBjte4Mp8F58eSPz6wcJNFsrd4ey8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7L6pnRT4F0ZnSKiBjte4Mp8F58eSPz6wcJNFsrd4ey8g@mail.gmail.com>
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Tom,

Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?

Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going to have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with their 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about osmotic blisters!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?

They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?

Thoughts?

The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....

It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Oct 20 15:24:31 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:24:31 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
In-Reply-To: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E@yahoo.com>
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 <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E@yahoo.com>
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Hi Wilson,

I?ve been thinking about what might have ?popped? at the masthead and then the forestay was looser.  There is a toggle joint where the forestay attaches to the masthead casting.  When you are trailering the boat or setting the mast up to be stepped, this toggle joint can get folded back onto itself, thus using up about 1-1/2? of forestay.  I believe your toggle joint got stuck in the folded position until quite a bit of tension was applied to the forestay and then it straightened itself out with a loud ?pop?.  Checking the position of the toggle joint is something to add to your checklist.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time

So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.

Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?

Sent from my iPhone


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Oct 20 15:24:55 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:24:55 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Email List Usage Guidelines Reminder
Message-ID: <E1mdHCp-007Xq8-W2@s152.servername.online>

Here are two things that make the archives less useful: 
    1) off topic subject lines
    2) extraneous quoted content that is not pertinent to the topic at hand.

It's especially important to keep these things in mind when a thread is started or extended by a reply to a daily digest, as opposed to an individual post.  The daily digest emails can be pretty big,  will usually have lots and lots of text that has no relevance to the current discussion, and their subject lines are never on topic.

Thanks,

--Peter

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed Oct 20 15:39:25 2021
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:39:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920B94EF25E08F20B900B4C80BE9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E.ref@yahoo.com>
 <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E@yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <1363538359.2680646.1634758765597@mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with Rodger also check backstays? as mast is raised up had one bind up

-----Original Message-----
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 3:24 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time

Hi Wilson,

I?ve been thinking about what might have ?popped? at the masthead and then the forestay was looser.? There is a toggle joint where the forestay attaches to the masthead casting.? When you are trailering the boat or setting the mast up to be stepped, this toggle joint can get folded back onto itself, thus using up about 1-1/2? of forestay.? I believe your toggle joint got stuck in the folded position until quite a bit of tension was applied to the forestay and then it straightened itself out with a loud ?pop?.? Checking the position of the toggle joint is something to add to your checklist.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time

So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed? Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.

Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?

Sent from my iPhone


From blue66corvette at hotmail.com  Wed Oct 20 16:06:22 2021
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:06:22 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
In-Reply-To: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>
References: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB5438E08AEC4B14FD504434B3D9BE9@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Some of the Rhodes 22 emails go to my spam folder (but not all). Somehow I missed info on the hats. I want one. What do I need to do??

Sent from my iPhone

Charles Nieman
blue66corvette at hotmail.com

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
> the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
> some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
> order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
> order more when these are gone.
> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Oct 20 16:14:23 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:14:23 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
Message-ID: <E1mdHyh-007qQh-OS@s152.servername.online>

The exact length doesn't strike me a being super critical.  The overall length of mine, chain and carabiners together, is a smidge over 11".

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) 

> On 2021-10-20, at 14:53:25 EDT, Jeffrey Camiel wrote:
>
> Folks,
> How long are the chains for the forward stays?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 

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From cande.carroll at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 16:19:50 2021
From: cande.carroll at gmail.com (Cande)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:19:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Please remove me from the Rhodes22-list listserve
Message-ID: <CAAgXbvm2AjM-prGum0DG6-YMj0A6so4KXLkckMsU4wE60-SaMA@mail.gmail.com>

Cande at creative-resource.com
candecarroll at gmail.com

Thank you!
Cande

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Oct 20 16:27:35 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (mweisner)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:27:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Please remove me from the Rhodes22-list
 listserve
In-Reply-To: <CAAgXbvm2AjM-prGum0DG6-YMj0A6so4KXLkckMsU4wE60-SaMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.1575.1634761664.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

cande.carroll at gmail.com has been removed from Rhodes22-list.Sorry to see you go,Mike
-------- Original message --------From: Cande <cande.carroll at gmail.com> Date: 10/20/21  4:20 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Please remove me from the Rhodes22-list listserve Cande at creative-resource.comcandecarroll@gmail.comThank you!Cande

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 16:29:41 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:29:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB692032FC91A6CC7318F6B47180BE9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7L6pnRT4F0ZnSKiBjte4Mp8F58eSPz6wcJNFsrd4ey8g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqJHY44JmzXZ6gryzax=9DsjJyH0Sg77mXPJPxNBmHEDK9JjQ@mail.gmail.com>

Ooooof...

1. I silently paid and left.
2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this now?

I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
Michigan. Not every year.
Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater guys
messed it up?

It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been ground in
by the buffing?

I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it with
the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...  No
idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.




On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure
> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
>
> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going to
> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with their
> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about osmotic
> blisters!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>
> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
>
> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Oct 20 16:30:20 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:30:20 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Email List Usage Guidelines Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1mdHCp-007Xq8-W2@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mdHCp-007Xq8-W2@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920D25DDF363933CA53AB3A80BE9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Peter,

Is there a way to move individual e-mails from one thread to another in the archives?  That was why I mentioned at the end of my response to Wilson (1st Time) regarding the cleat for the backstay adjuster that the post really belonged in the ?Go Faster? or the  ?Furling Headsail Replacement? threads.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 3:25 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Email List Usage Guidelines Reminder

Here are two things that make the archives less useful:
    1) off topic subject lines
    2) extraneous quoted content that is not pertinent to the topic at hand.

It's especially important to keep these things in mind when a thread is started or extended by a reply to a daily digest, as opposed to an individual post.  The daily digest emails can be pretty big,  will usually have lots and lots of text that has no relevance to the current discussion, and their subject lines are never on topic.

Thanks,

--Peter


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 16:32:11 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:32:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY44JmzXZ6gryzax=9DsjJyH0Sg77mXPJPxNBmHEDK9JjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7L6pnRT4F0ZnSKiBjte4Mp8F58eSPz6wcJNFsrd4ey8g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqJHY5H0519V0JwJqBJdhKVwWSBZDudxVxE13uuJvG6=E2aBA@mail.gmail.com>

And thank you Rhodie's for your input!
This vessel has zero days on the water since refurb in 2017 till 8x(5 hour)
dunks in 2020 and this 2021 season in a slip.



On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:29 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Ooooof...
>
> 1. I silently paid and left.
> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this now?
>
> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> Michigan. Not every year.
> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater guys
> messed it up?
>
> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been ground in
> by the buffing?
>
> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it with
> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...  No
> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure
>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
>>
>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going to
>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with their
>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about osmotic
>> blisters!
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows
>>
>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>>
>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
>>
>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
>> -------------- next part --------------
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Oct 20 16:33:45 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:33:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY44JmzXZ6gryzax=9DsjJyH0Sg77mXPJPxNBmHEDK9JjQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEqJHY7L6pnRT4F0ZnSKiBjte4Mp8F58eSPz6wcJNFsrd4ey8g@mail.gmail.com>
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Tom,

That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP substrate.  Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or even expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?

Ooooof...

1. I silently paid and left.
2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this now?

I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
Michigan. Not every year.
Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater guys
messed it up?

It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been ground in
by the buffing?

I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it with
the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...  No
idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.




On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure
> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
>
> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going to
> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with their
> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about osmotic
> blisters!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc4c5ec2d45104ae1248d08d994086179%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703586005103440%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=OmpcRmTsJLIhqNySfPas8l8FvgQWlcMpycrJkRUrziw%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
>
> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>
> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
>
> Thoughts?
>
> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
>
> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 16:44:28 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:44:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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F...

Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.

What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any resource
that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or something has
covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some "super
special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service doesn't??
I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they F'd up.
Pardon my french.


I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me... And I
try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because his
expectations were failed by a fucking professional".

Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.

I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
exposure to them.

Meltzer knows... Lol
Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.

I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?

Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
Tom


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP substrate.
> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or even
> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>
> Ooooof...
>
> 1. I silently paid and left.
> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this now?
>
> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> Michigan. Not every year.
> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater guys
> messed it up?
>
> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been ground in
> by the buffing?
>
> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it with
> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...  No
> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure
> > washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> >
> > Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going to
> > have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
> their
> > 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about
> osmotic
> > blisters!
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc4c5ec2d45104ae1248d08d994086179%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703586005103440%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=OmpcRmTsJLIhqNySfPas8l8FvgQWlcMpycrJkRUrziw%3D&amp;reserved=0>
> for Windows
> >
> > From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >
> > They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
> >
> > It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Oct 20 17:11:19 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 21:11:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
In-Reply-To: <CAEqJHY5-qaKRSuch2bK8e6FiuacucRC-+8MsqghyXMr0-8gaTA@mail.gmail.com>
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Tom,

I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most knowledgeable about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from him.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> 
> ?F...
> 
> Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any resource
> that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or something has
> covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some "super
> special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service doesn't??
> I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they F'd up.
> Pardon my french.
> 
> 
> I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me... And I
> try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because his
> expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> 
> Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.
> 
> I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
> exposure to them.
> 
> Meltzer knows... Lol
> Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> 
> I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> 
> Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Tom,
>> 
>> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP substrate.
>> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or even
>> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868046738%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BNZaZowiYPlBS5H4SNWVGjR8ToxukMiK6eWaTlzR6%2BE%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>> 
>> Ooooof...
>> 
>> 1. I silently paid and left.
>> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
>> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
>> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this now?
>> 
>> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
>> Michigan. Not every year.
>> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater guys
>> messed it up?
>> 
>> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been ground in
>> by the buffing?
>> 
>> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it with
>> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...  No
>> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Tom,
>>> 
>>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure
>>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
>>> 
>>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going to
>>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
>> their
>>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about
>> osmotic
>>> blisters!
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail<
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868056697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=loTXidNCJevCJWWC1K0zGR%2F2wcQZPlDvPo9obVlJKmI%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>>> 
>>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> 
>>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
>>> 
>>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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>> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Oct 20 17:15:36 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:15:36 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What's a Thread?
Message-ID: <E1mdIvw-008CpT-OU@s152.servername.online>

Discussion threads are an interesting topic.  I looked into this a bit while working on the web based interface for the email list that will some day show up on rhodes22.org. 

I'm pretty sure that the email list archives are created by a piece of software called 'Pipermail'.  This is different from, but somehow integrated with the 'Mailman' software that manages the core email list functionality. 

The short answer to Roger's question is 'no'. (That's actually the long answer too.)  Pipermail is a black box, and as far as I know, there's no way to influence what it will do, or to undo what it has already done.

The thing I figured out about Pipermail, is that it knows if a new email is a reply to an old email, and if it is, it will put it in the same thread as the original email.  It must get this information from the usually invisible header data.  I once started what I intended to be a new thread by opening a recent post in my email client, stripping out 100% of the contents, entering new text, and changing the subject.  Pipermail plunked it right into the middle of an existing thread on an entirely different subject.

Your email client program makes it's own decisions about what emails belong in a common thread (if it attempts to do threading at all).  The one on my Mac desktop appears to rely on a random number generation based algorithm.

When I decided that I wanted to include the concept of threads in the new (as yet unseen) web based forum interface, I had to decide how to go about it.  I decided to use the subject line and a time cut-off.  I can't remember the exact details, but if a new posting has a subject line that is similar to (ignoring case and extra spaces) the subject line of another message posted recently (about a month), it becomes part of the same thread. 

No criteria will ever be perfect.

--Peter

> On 2021-10-20, at 16:30:20 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Peter,
> 
> Is there a way to move individual e-mails from one thread to another in the 
> archives?  That was why I mentioned at the end of my response to Wilson (1st 
> Time) regarding the cleat for the backstay adjuster that the post really 
> belonged in the ?Go Faster? or the  ?Furling Headsail Replacement? threads. 
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 17:30:54 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:30:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just didn't
think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with another r22 owner
who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".

 As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation of
this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference materials.  We
sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value. (Triple
printing USD these last two years aside)

All comments on this appreciated,
Fair winds,
Tom

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most knowledgeable
> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from him.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?F...
> >
> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any resource
> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or something has
> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some
> "super
> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
> doesn't??
> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they F'd
> up.
> > Pardon my french.
> >
> >
> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me...
> And I
> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because his
> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> >
> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.
> >
> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
> > exposure to them.
> >
> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> >
> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> >
> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP substrate.
> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or
> even
> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868046738%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BNZaZowiYPlBS5H4SNWVGjR8ToxukMiK6eWaTlzR6%2BE%3D&amp;reserved=0>
> for Windows
> >>
> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >>
> >> Ooooof...
> >>
> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this
> now?
> >>
> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater
> guys
> >> messed it up?
> >>
> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been ground
> in
> >> by the buffing?
> >>
> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it
> with
> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...  No
> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Tom,
> >>>
> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure
> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> >>>
> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going
> to
> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
> >> their
> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about
> >> osmotic
> >>> blisters!
> >>>
> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Mail<
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868056697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=loTXidNCJevCJWWC1K0zGR%2F2wcQZPlDvPo9obVlJKmI%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >
> >> for Windows
> >>>
> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >>>
> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
> >>>
> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >>
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> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 18:09:59 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:09:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his guy
tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of
putting in next year.

We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know at
least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and Jessie and
Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't mention in passion
would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol

A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
Love our r22,
Tom


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just
> didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with another r22
> owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
>
>  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation of
> this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference materials.  We
> sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value. (Triple
> printing USD these last two years aside)
>
> All comments on this appreciated,
> Fair winds,
> Tom
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most knowledgeable
>> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from him.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?F...
>> >
>> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
>> resource
>> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or something
>> has
>> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some
>> "super
>> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
>> doesn't??
>> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they F'd
>> up.
>> > Pardon my french.
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me...
>> And I
>> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because his
>> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
>> >
>> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.
>> >
>> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
>> > exposure to them.
>> >
>> > Meltzer knows... Lol
>> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
>> >
>> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
>> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
>> >
>> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
>> > Tom
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Tom,
>> >>
>> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
>> substrate.
>> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or
>> even
>> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
>> >>
>> >> Roger Pihlaja
>> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> >>
>> >> Sent from Mail<
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868046738%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BNZaZowiYPlBS5H4SNWVGjR8ToxukMiK6eWaTlzR6%2BE%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> for Windows
>> >>
>> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>> >>
>> >> Ooooof...
>> >>
>> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
>> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
>> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
>> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this
>> now?
>> >>
>> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
>> >> Michigan. Not every year.
>> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater
>> guys
>> >> messed it up?
>> >>
>> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
>> ground in
>> >> by the buffing?
>> >>
>> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it
>> with
>> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...
>> No
>> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Tom,
>> >>>
>> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure
>> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
>> >>>
>> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
>> going to
>> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
>> >> their
>> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about
>> >> osmotic
>> >>> blisters!
>> >>>
>> >>> Roger Pihlaja
>> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from Mail<
>> >>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868056697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=loTXidNCJevCJWWC1K0zGR%2F2wcQZPlDvPo9obVlJKmI%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> >
>> >> for Windows
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
>> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>> >>>
>> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thoughts?
>> >>>
>> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
>> >>>
>> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
>> >>> -------------- next part --------------
>> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
>> >>> Name: tmp_1634753513007.jpg
>> >>> Type: image/jpeg
>> >>> Size: 282274 bytes
>> >>> Desc: not available
>> >>> URL: <
>> >>>
>> >>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20211020%2Fb34a7a55%2Fattachment.jpg&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868056697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=qrIkI1Inxzyo5loD0ZRm8yX8ZiArAvwx9iQRX9%2BnKkY%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> >>>>
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>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>

From bmg18 at me.com  Wed Oct 20 18:24:52 2021
From: bmg18 at me.com (Bruce Greenwald)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:24:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
In-Reply-To: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>
References: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <21115644-7AEF-44C5-A139-33C52D64B3AB@me.com>

Joe, thanks for processing the shipping refund. Looking forward to the hat.

Bruce

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:00 PM, Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
> the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
> some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
> order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
> order more when these are gone.
> 

From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 18:40:48 2021
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:40:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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Tom:

I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed infested
freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish - the
yard washes her at both ends of the season.

I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think  teaching
your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.

My 2 bitcoins worth.

Cheers,
Shawn
s/ v Sweet Baboo


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his guy
> tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of
> putting in next year.
>
> We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know at
> least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and Jessie and
> Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't mention in passion
> would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol
>
> A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
> Love our r22,
> Tom
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just
> > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with another r22
> > owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> >
> >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation of
> > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference materials.
> We
> > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value. (Triple
> > printing USD these last two years aside)
> >
> > All comments on this appreciated,
> > Fair winds,
> > Tom
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most knowledgeable
> >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from
> him.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?F...
> >> >
> >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
> >> resource
> >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or something
> >> has
> >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some
> >> "super
> >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
> >> doesn't??
> >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they
> F'd
> >> up.
> >> > Pardon my french.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me...
> >> And I
> >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because his
> >> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> >> >
> >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.
> >> >
> >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
> >> > exposure to them.
> >> >
> >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> >> >
> >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> >> >
> >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> >> > Tom
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Tom,
> >> >>
> >> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> >> substrate.
> >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or
> >> even
> >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
> >> >>
> >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from Mail<
> >>
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> >
> >> for Windows
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ooooof...
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
> >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with
> this
> >> now?
> >> >>
> >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater
> >> guys
> >> >> messed it up?
> >> >>
> >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
> >> ground in
> >> >> by the buffing?
> >> >>
> >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it
> >> with
> >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...
> >> No
> >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Tom,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their
> pressure
> >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
> >> going to
> >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
> >> >> their
> >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about
> >> >> osmotic
> >> >>> blisters!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> >> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868056697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=loTXidNCJevCJWWC1K0zGR%2F2wcQZPlDvPo9obVlJKmI%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> >
> >> >> for Windows
> >> >>>
> >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thoughts?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
> >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >
>

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Wed Oct 20 19:14:53 2021
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:14:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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Tom,

Another possible approach: get someone with experience (a marine surveyor?)
who is not affiliated with the yard to take a look at your hull and render
an opinion. Better to have one set of eyes on the hull in person than a
dozen or more looking at digital photographs. If there is damage you'll
need someone to give you an estimate anyway. It just seems very curious to
me that anything they might use to detail your boat would strip paint and
gelcoat off the hull. Lawsuits and such take their own toll on both parties.

Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *Luna Mia*


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:40 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tom:
>
> I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed infested
> freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish - the
> yard washes her at both ends of the season.
>
> I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think  teaching
> your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
>
> My 2 bitcoins worth.
>
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s/ v Sweet Baboo
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his guy
> > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of
> > putting in next year.
> >
> > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know at
> > least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and Jessie
> and
> > Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't mention in
> passion
> > would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol
> >
> > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
> > Love our r22,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just
> > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with another
> r22
> > > owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > >
> > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation of
> > > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference materials.
> > We
> > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value.
> (Triple
> > > printing USD these last two years aside)
> > >
> > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > Fair winds,
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Tom,
> > >>
> > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> knowledgeable
> > >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from
> > him.
> > >>
> > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > ?F...
> > >> >
> > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> > >> >
> > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
> > >> resource
> > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or
> something
> > >> has
> > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some
> > >> "super
> > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
> > >> doesn't??
> > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they
> > F'd
> > >> up.
> > >> > Pardon my french.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with
> me...
> > >> And I
> > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because
> his
> > >> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > >> >
> > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx
> spend.
> > >> >
> > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
> > >> > exposure to them.
> > >> >
> > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > >> >
> > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > >> >
> > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> > >> > Tom
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Tom,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> > >> substrate.
> > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water
> or
> > >> even
> > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > >>
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868046738%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BNZaZowiYPlBS5H4SNWVGjR8ToxukMiK6eWaTlzR6%2BE%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >
> > >> for Windows
> > >> >>
> > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ooooof...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish
> now?
> > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with
> > this
> > >> now?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> freshwater
> > >> guys
> > >> >> messed it up?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
> > >> ground in
> > >> >> by the buffing?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit
> it
> > >> with
> > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a
> brush...
> > >> No
> > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Tom,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their
> > pressure
> > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
> > >> going to
> > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy
> with
> > >> >> their
> > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about
> > >> >> osmotic
> > >> >>> blisters!
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868056697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=loTXidNCJevCJWWC1K0zGR%2F2wcQZPlDvPo9obVlJKmI%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >> >
> > >> >> for Windows
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> detail....
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
> > >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > >> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > >> >>> Name: tmp_1634753513007.jpg
> > >> >>> Type: image/jpeg
> > >> >>> Size: 282274 bytes
> > >> >>> Desc: not available
> > >> >>> URL: <
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
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> > >>
> >
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> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20211020%2Fb34a7a55%2Fattachment-0002.jpg&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868056697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=SlIgSktK5iKIaBIHqXo9BXdhGt%2BwNyn2TvzI4%2BqRDoo%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Oct 20 19:18:48 2021
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:18:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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Shawn,

2 bitcoins worth! Oh my! That's no longer considered free advice at $132,140 (current value of 2 bitcoins in USD).

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Shawn Boles
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:41 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?

Tom:

I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed infested freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish - the yard washes her at both ends of the season.

I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think  teaching your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.

My 2 bitcoins worth.

Cheers,
Shawn
s/ v Sweet Baboo


On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule < tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his guy 
> tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of 
> putting in next year.
>
> We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know 
> at least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and 
> Jessie and Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't 
> mention in passion would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone 
> stripped me.? Lol
>
> A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness, Love our r22, 
> Tom
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule < 
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just 
> > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with 
> > another r22 owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> >
> >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation 
> > of this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference materials.
> We
> > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value. 
> > (Triple printing USD these last two years aside)
> >
> > All comments on this appreciated,
> > Fair winds,
> > Tom
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most 
> >> knowledgeable about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get 
> >> an opinion from
> him.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?F...
> >> >
> >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> >> >
> >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
> >> resource
> >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or 
> >> > something
> >> has
> >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has 
> >> > some
> >> "super
> >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
> >> doesn't??
> >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how 
> >> > they
> F'd
> >> up.
> >> > Pardon my french.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me...
> >> And I
> >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle 
> >> > because his expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> >> >
> >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.
> >> >
> >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I 
> >> > minimize exposure to them.
> >> >
> >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> >> >
> >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am 
> >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> >> >
> >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again, Tom
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Tom,
> >> >>
> >> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> >> substrate.
> >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or
> >> even
> >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
> >> >>
> >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from Mail<
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868046738%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BNZaZowiYPlBS5H4SNWVGjR8ToxukMiK6eWaTlzR6%2BE%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >
> >> for Windows
> >> >>
> >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >> >>
> >> >> Ooooof...
> >> >>
> >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
> >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with
> this
> >> now?
> >> >>
> >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater
> >> guys
> >> >> messed it up?
> >> >>
> >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
> >> ground in
> >> >> by the buffing?
> >> >>
> >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it
> >> with
> >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...
> >> No
> >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Tom,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their
> pressure
> >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
> >> going to
> >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
> >> >> their
> >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about
> >> >> osmotic
> >> >>> blisters!
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> >> >>
> >>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868056697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=loTXidNCJevCJWWC1K0zGR%2F2wcQZPlDvPo9obVlJKmI%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> >
> >> >> for Windows
> >> >>>
> >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Thoughts?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
> >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> >> >>> Size: 282274 bytes
> >> >>> Desc: not available
> >> >>> URL: <
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >>
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> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >
>


From rodellner at mac.com  Wed Oct 20 19:19:23 2021
From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:19:23 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
In-Reply-To: <6d3d6d5d-d862-a278-78c1-ba86221aa5a3@generalboats.com>
References: <6d3d6d5d-d862-a278-78c1-ba86221aa5a3@generalboats.com>
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Way to go Stan??glad that Mike with Ranger was there to help?.even Chris G made it back from Greece?.  Rod and I have moved to Colorado to be next to the grandkids and family.    Many MEMORIES.     Rod and Mary Ellner.  (Used to be Wisconsin)

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 9:55 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Another show, another milestone.
> 
> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man office so patience is requested.
> 
> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first day.  A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own business to make that happen.   And equal thanks to long time owner Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area, collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.  Thanks also to Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
> 
> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
> 
> stan
> 

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 19:23:47 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:23:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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Was gonna say... Btc...

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:18 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> 2 bitcoins worth! Oh my! That's no longer considered free advice at
> $132,140 (current value of 2 bitcoins in USD).
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Shawn Boles
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:41 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>
> Tom:
>
> I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed infested
> freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish - the
> yard washes her at both ends of the season.
>
> I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think
> teaching your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
>
> My 2 bitcoins worth.
>
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s/ v Sweet Baboo
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his guy
> > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of
> > putting in next year.
> >
> > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know
> > at least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and
> > Jessie and Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't
> > mention in passion would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone
> > stripped me.? Lol
> >
> > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness, Love our r22,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just
> > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with
> > > another r22 owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > >
> > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation
> > > of this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference
> materials.
> > We
> > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value.
> > > (Triple printing USD these last two years aside)
> > >
> > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > Fair winds,
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Tom,
> > >>
> > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> > >> knowledgeable about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get
> > >> an opinion from
> > him.
> > >>
> > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > ?F...
> > >> >
> > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> > >> >
> > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
> > >> resource
> > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or
> > >> > something
> > >> has
> > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has
> > >> > some
> > >> "super
> > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
> > >> doesn't??
> > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how
> > >> > they
> > F'd
> > >> up.
> > >> > Pardon my french.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with
> me...
> > >> And I
> > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle
> > >> > because his expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > >> >
> > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx
> spend.
> > >> >
> > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I
> > >> > minimize exposure to them.
> > >> >
> > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > >> >
> > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > >> >
> > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again, Tom
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Tom,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> > >> substrate.
> > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water
> or
> > >> even
> > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > >>
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868046738%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BNZaZowiYPlBS5H4SNWVGjR8ToxukMiK6eWaTlzR6%2BE%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >
> > >> for Windows
> > >> >>
> > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ooooof...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish
> now?
> > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with
> > this
> > >> now?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> freshwater
> > >> guys
> > >> >> messed it up?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
> > >> ground in
> > >> >> by the buffing?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit
> it
> > >> with
> > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a
> brush...
> > >> No
> > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Tom,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their
> > pressure
> > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
> > >> going to
> > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy
> with
> > >> >> their
> > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about
> > >> >> osmotic
> > >> >>> blisters!
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
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> > >> >
> > >> >> for Windows
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> detail....
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
> > >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
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> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
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> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
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> > >> >>>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
>
>

From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 19:24:08 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:24:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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Agreed mark.  I will have the 3rd party check tomorrow ..

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:15 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:

> Tom,
>
> Another possible approach: get someone with experience (a marine surveyor?)
> who is not affiliated with the yard to take a look at your hull and render
> an opinion. Better to have one set of eyes on the hull in person than a
> dozen or more looking at digital photographs. If there is damage you'll
> need someone to give you an estimate anyway. It just seems very curious to
> me that anything they might use to detail your boat would strip paint and
> gelcoat off the hull. Lawsuits and such take their own toll on both
> parties.
>
> Mark
>
> Boston, MA
>
> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:40 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Tom:
> >
> > I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed infested
> > freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish - the
> > yard washes her at both ends of the season.
> >
> > I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think
> teaching
> > your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
> >
> > My 2 bitcoins worth.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Shawn
> > s/ v Sweet Baboo
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his guy
> > > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of
> > > putting in next year.
> > >
> > > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know at
> > > least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and Jessie
> > and
> > > Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't mention in
> > passion
> > > would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol
> > >
> > > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
> > > Love our r22,
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just
> > > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with another
> > r22
> > > > owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > > >
> > > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation
> of
> > > > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference
> materials.
> > > We
> > > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value.
> > (Triple
> > > > printing USD these last two years aside)
> > > >
> > > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > > Fair winds,
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Tom,
> > > >>
> > > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> > knowledgeable
> > > >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from
> > > him.
> > > >>
> > > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >>
> > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ?F...
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly
> appreciated.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
> > > >> resource
> > > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or
> > something
> > > >> has
> > > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has
> some
> > > >> "super
> > > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
> > > >> doesn't??
> > > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how
> they
> > > F'd
> > > >> up.
> > > >> > Pardon my french.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with
> > me...
> > > >> And I
> > > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because
> > his
> > > >> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx
> > spend.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I
> minimize
> > > >> > exposure to them.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> > > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> > > >> > Tom
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Tom,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> > > >> substrate.
> > > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the
> water
> > or
> > > >> even
> > > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >
> > > >> for Windows
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Ooooof...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> > > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish
> > now?
> > > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with
> > > this
> > > >> now?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in
> lake
> > > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> > freshwater
> > > >> guys
> > > >> >> messed it up?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
> > > >> ground in
> > > >> >> by the buffing?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit
> > it
> > > >> with
> > > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a
> > brush...
> > > >> No
> > > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Tom,
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their
> > > pressure
> > > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover
> it?
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
> > > >> going to
> > > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy
> > with
> > > >> >> their
> > > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry
> about
> > > >> >> osmotic
> > > >> >>> blisters!
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >> for Windows
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their
> cleaning?
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> > detail....
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
> > > >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
> > > >> >>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > >> >>> Name: tmp_1634753513007.jpg
> > > >> >>> Type: image/jpeg
> > > >> >>> Size: 282274 bytes
> > > >> >>> Desc: not available
> > > >> >>> URL: <
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> >>>>
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> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> > > >> >>> Type: image/jpeg
> > > >> >>> Size: 270359 bytes
> > > >> >>> Desc: not available
> > > >> >>> URL: <
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
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> > > >> >>>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 19:56:08 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 02:56:08 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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One final thought. (Back in Greece and it is 3:00 am local and can?t
sleep). Roger will know the chemistry:  bottom paint contains Cu oxide?
Common acid based cleaners ( phosphoric acid and HCl come to mind) would
react with the Cu in the paint, no?

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis
Rhodes Greece

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:24 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Agreed mark.  I will have the 3rd party check tomorrow ..
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:15 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > Another possible approach: get someone with experience (a marine
> surveyor?)
> > who is not affiliated with the yard to take a look at your hull and
> render
> > an opinion. Better to have one set of eyes on the hull in person than a
> > dozen or more looking at digital photographs. If there is damage you'll
> > need someone to give you an estimate anyway. It just seems very curious
> to
> > me that anything they might use to detail your boat would strip paint and
> > gelcoat off the hull. Lawsuits and such take their own toll on both
> > parties.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Boston, MA
> >
> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:40 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Tom:
> > >
> > > I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed infested
> > > freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish -
> the
> > > yard washes her at both ends of the season.
> > >
> > > I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think
> > teaching
> > > your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
> > >
> > > My 2 bitcoins worth.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Shawn
> > > s/ v Sweet Baboo
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his
> guy
> > > > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of
> > > > putting in next year.
> > > >
> > > > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know
> at
> > > > least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and
> Jessie
> > > and
> > > > Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't mention in
> > > passion
> > > > would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol
> > > >
> > > > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
> > > > Love our r22,
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom,
> just
> > > > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with
> another
> > > r22
> > > > > owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > > > >
> > > > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen
> observation
> > of
> > > > > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference
> > materials.
> > > > We
> > > > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value.
> > > (Triple
> > > > > printing USD these last two years aside)
> > > > >
> > > > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > > > Fair winds,
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Tom,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> > > knowledgeable
> > > > >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion
> from
> > > > him.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > ?F...
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly
> > appreciated.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
> > > > >> resource
> > > > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or
> > > something
> > > > >> has
> > > > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has
> > some
> > > > >> "super
> > > > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they
> service
> > > > >> doesn't??
> > > > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how
> > they
> > > > F'd
> > > > >> up.
> > > > >> > Pardon my french.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with
> > > me...
> > > > >> And I
> > > > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle
> because
> > > his
> > > > >> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx
> > > spend.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I
> > minimize
> > > > >> > exposure to them.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > > > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> > > > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> > > > >> > Tom
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Tom,
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> > > > >> substrate.
> > > > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the
> > water
> > > or
> > > > >> even
> > > > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a
> fit!
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > > >> for Windows
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > > > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >
> > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> Ooooof...
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > > > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> > > > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish
> > > now?
> > > > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal
> with
> > > > this
> > > > >> now?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in
> > lake
> > > > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > > > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> > > freshwater
> > > > >> guys
> > > > >> >> messed it up?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's
> been
> > > > >> ground in
> > > > >> >> by the buffing?
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just
> hit
> > > it
> > > > >> with
> > > > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a
> > > brush...
> > > > >> No
> > > > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> Tom,
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their
> > > > pressure
> > > > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover
> > it?
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you
> are
> > > > >> going to
> > > > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system
> epoxy
> > > with
> > > > >> >> their
> > > > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry
> > about
> > > > >> >> osmotic
> > > > >> >>> blisters!
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> for Windows
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com
> >
> > > > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > > > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their
> > cleaning?
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> > > detail....
> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
> > > > >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> > > > >> >>>
> > > > >> >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Wed Oct 20 20:16:05 2021
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:16:05 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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CuO2 should be red, not green?
Thanks all.  I expect a call from the  shop owners tomorrow and will keep
you posted.  You're my sanity check, and specific experience trump's
specific.

Kindly,
Tom

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> One final thought. (Back in Greece and it is 3:00 am local and can?t
> sleep). Roger will know the chemistry:  bottom paint contains Cu oxide?
> Common acid based cleaners ( phosphoric acid and HCl come to mind) would
> react with the Cu in the paint, no?
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> Rhodes Greece
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:24 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > Agreed mark.  I will have the 3rd party check tomorrow ..
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:15 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > Another possible approach: get someone with experience (a marine
> > surveyor?)
> > > who is not affiliated with the yard to take a look at your hull and
> > render
> > > an opinion. Better to have one set of eyes on the hull in person than a
> > > dozen or more looking at digital photographs. If there is damage you'll
> > > need someone to give you an estimate anyway. It just seems very curious
> > to
> > > me that anything they might use to detail your boat would strip paint
> and
> > > gelcoat off the hull. Lawsuits and such take their own toll on both
> > > parties.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > Boston, MA
> > >
> > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:40 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tom:
> > > >
> > > > I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed infested
> > > > freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish -
> > the
> > > > yard washes her at both ends of the season.
> > > >
> > > > I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think
> > > teaching
> > > > your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
> > > >
> > > > My 2 bitcoins worth.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Shawn
> > > > s/ v Sweet Baboo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his
> > guy
> > > > > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront
> of
> > > > > putting in next year.
> > > > >
> > > > > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I
> know
> > at
> > > > > least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and
> > Jessie
> > > > and
> > > > > Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't mention in
> > > > passion
> > > > > would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol
> > > > >
> > > > > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
> > > > > Love our r22,
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom,
> > just
> > > > > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with
> > another
> > > > r22
> > > > > > owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > > > > >
> > > > > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen
> > observation
> > > of
> > > > > > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference
> > > materials.
> > > > > We
> > > > > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value.
> > > > (Triple
> > > > > > printing USD these last two years aside)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > > > > Fair winds,
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Tom,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> > > > knowledgeable
> > > > > >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion
> > from
> > > > > him.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > ?F...
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly
> > > appreciated.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?
> Any
> > > > > >> resource
> > > > > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or
> > > > something
> > > > > >> has
> > > > > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22
> has
> > > some
> > > > > >> "super
> > > > > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they
> > service
> > > > > >> doesn't??
> > > > > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how
> > > they
> > > > > F'd
> > > > > >> up.
> > > > > >> > Pardon my french.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son
> with
> > > > me...
> > > > > >> And I
> > > > > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle
> > because
> > > > his
> > > > > >> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx
> > > > spend.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I
> > > minimize
> > > > > >> > exposure to them.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > > > > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> > > > > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> > > > > >> > Tom
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Tom,
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> > > > > >> substrate.
> > > > > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the
> > > water
> > > > or
> > > > > >> even
> > > > > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a
> > fit!
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868046738%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BNZaZowiYPlBS5H4SNWVGjR8ToxukMiK6eWaTlzR6%2BE%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> for Windows
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > > > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > > > > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > >
> > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> Ooooof...
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > > > > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it
> out.
> > > > > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a
> refinish
> > > > now?
> > > > > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal
> > with
> > > > > this
> > > > > >> now?
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting
> in
> > > lake
> > > > > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > > > > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> > > > freshwater
> > > > > >> guys
> > > > > >> >> messed it up?
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's
> > been
> > > > > >> ground in
> > > > > >> >> by the buffing?
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just
> > hit
> > > > it
> > > > > >> with
> > > > > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a
> > > > brush...
> > > > > >> No
> > > > > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>> Tom,
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into
> their
> > > > > pressure
> > > > > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to
> cover
> > > it?
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you
> > are
> > > > > >> going to
> > > > > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system
> > epoxy
> > > > with
> > > > > >> >> their
> > > > > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry
> > > about
> > > > > >> >> osmotic
> > > > > >> >>> blisters!
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> for Windows
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com
> > >
> > > > > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > > > > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their
> > > cleaning?
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> > > > detail....
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
> > > > > >> >>> -------------- next part --------------
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> > > > > >> >>> URL: <
> > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > >> >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Oct 21 08:33:13 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 12:33:13 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What's a Thread?
In-Reply-To: <E1mdIvw-008CpT-OU@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mdIvw-008CpT-OU@s152.servername.online>
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Peter,

I will try to keep all this in mind when I respond to a question.  It?s a shame there is no way to move something if it gets misclassified though.

What if the new thread were input with the old subject line where it was more appropriate and searchable?  Would Pipermail see the new date and start a new thread?  For example, what would happen if I were to repost my response to Wilson?s ?First Time? as ?Go Faster?.  Would it end up in the archives as somehow associated with and therefore searchable with the original ?Go Faster? thread?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Peter Nyberg<mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:15 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What's a Thread?

Discussion threads are an interesting topic.  I looked into this a bit while working on the web based interface for the email list that will some day show up on rhodes22.org.

I'm pretty sure that the email list archives are created by a piece of software called 'Pipermail'.  This is different from, but somehow integrated with the 'Mailman' software that manages the core email list functionality.

The short answer to Roger's question is 'no'. (That's actually the long answer too.)  Pipermail is a black box, and as far as I know, there's no way to influence what it will do, or to undo what it has already done.

The thing I figured out about Pipermail, is that it knows if a new email is a reply to an old email, and if it is, it will put it in the same thread as the original email.  It must get this information from the usually invisible header data.  I once started what I intended to be a new thread by opening a recent post in my email client, stripping out 100% of the contents, entering new text, and changing the subject.  Pipermail plunked it right into the middle of an existing thread on an entirely different subject.

Your email client program makes it's own decisions about what emails belong in a common thread (if it attempts to do threading at all).  The one on my Mac desktop appears to rely on a random number generation based algorithm.

When I decided that I wanted to include the concept of threads in the new (as yet unseen) web based forum interface, I had to decide how to go about it.  I decided to use the subject line and a time cut-off.  I can't remember the exact details, but if a new posting has a subject line that is similar to (ignoring case and extra spaces) the subject line of another message posted recently (about a month), it becomes part of the same thread.

No criteria will ever be perfect.

--Peter

> On 2021-10-20, at 16:30:20 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> Is there a way to move individual e-mails from one thread to another in the
> archives?  That was why I mentioned at the end of my response to Wilson (1st
> Time) regarding the cleat for the backstay adjuster that the post really
> belonged in the ?Go Faster? or the  ?Furling Headsail Replacement? threads.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>


From colealexander at hotmail.com  Thu Oct 21 12:59:15 2021
From: colealexander at hotmail.com (Alexander Cole)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 16:59:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder Cheek Plate
Message-ID: <MN2PR14MB3999B5BCBDD09236459605A4A6BF9@MN2PR14MB3999.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

First, apologies if this doesn?t show up properly on the list.   I don?t think I?ve posted a response after abandoning Nabble,

Matt.   I did this repair a couple winters ago.   The factory cheek failed in heavy wind while dodging a foiling windsurfer who went down.   I think I had fatigued the OEM Starboard cheek with prop wash while docking in heavy winds, since the rudder and tiller aren?t tethered on my boat and I?m on the lee side of a double finger.   I have to angle the prop to avoid drifting into another boat while single handing in heavy wind.    I occasionally sail in great lakes chop, maybe 35-40 hours a year.   Wave action may play a roll as well.

On the advice of an Australian sailor from another forum who is also an engineer,  I used G-10.    This is the stuff printed circuit boards are made out of.   G-10 is too expensive for a production boat and the dust is an inhalation danger.   It?s much stronger and more rigid with less weight hanging off the stern, if you buy the right stuff.   Grainger does not sell the high strength product we want.   My mistake.  I had to glue two ? inch sheets for the bottom of the cheek, to obtain sufficient stiffness.    Boat Outfitters sells the high strength product.     I bought some to fix a spare (broken) companionway hatch, but it is now on backorder.    Welcome to 2021.  The online advice was to cut it with a jig saw (worked well) and paint with plastic bumper paint from autozone (holds up well).   I hope this helps.

I don?t live in a sailing area and the local fabricator was scared to cut aluminum cheek plates.   This is also a superior solution if your boat is likely to see salt water.

Alex Cole
Lark

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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 16:33:01 2021
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 23:33:01 +0300
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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CuSO4 is green blue. Maybe they used something with sulphuric?  Well
doesn?t matter they screwed it up.
Chris Enosis

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 3:16 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> CuO2 should be red, not green?
> Thanks all.  I expect a call from the  shop owners tomorrow and will keep
> you posted.  You're my sanity check, and specific experience trump's
> specific.
>
> Kindly,
> Tom
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > One final thought. (Back in Greece and it is 3:00 am local and can?t
> > sleep). Roger will know the chemistry:  bottom paint contains Cu oxide?
> > Common acid based cleaners ( phosphoric acid and HCl come to mind) would
> > react with the Cu in the paint, no?
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> > Rhodes Greece
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:24 AM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed mark.  I will have the 3rd party check tomorrow ..
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:15 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tom,
> > > >
> > > > Another possible approach: get someone with experience (a marine
> > > surveyor?)
> > > > who is not affiliated with the yard to take a look at your hull and
> > > render
> > > > an opinion. Better to have one set of eyes on the hull in person
> than a
> > > > dozen or more looking at digital photographs. If there is damage
> you'll
> > > > need someone to give you an estimate anyway. It just seems very
> curious
> > > to
> > > > me that anything they might use to detail your boat would strip paint
> > and
> > > > gelcoat off the hull. Lawsuits and such take their own toll on both
> > > > parties.
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > Boston, MA
> > > >
> > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:40 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tom:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed
> infested
> > > > > freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish
> -
> > > the
> > > > > yard washes her at both ends of the season.
> > > > >
> > > > > I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think
> > > > teaching
> > > > > your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > My 2 bitcoins worth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Shawn
> > > > > s/ v Sweet Baboo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with
> his
> > > guy
> > > > > > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront
> > of
> > > > > > putting in next year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I
> > know
> > > at
> > > > > > least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and
> > > Jessie
> > > > > and
> > > > > > Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't mention
> in
> > > > > passion
> > > > > > would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
> > > > > > Love our r22,
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom,
> > > just
> > > > > > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with
> > > another
> > > > > r22
> > > > > > > owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen
> > > observation
> > > > of
> > > > > > > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference
> > > > materials.
> > > > > > We
> > > > > > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in
> value.
> > > > > (Triple
> > > > > > > printing USD these last two years aside)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > > > > > Fair winds,
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Tom,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> > > > > knowledgeable
> > > > > > >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an
> opinion
> > > from
> > > > > > him.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > ?F...
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly
> > > > appreciated.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?
> > Any
> > > > > > >> resource
> > > > > > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or
> > > > > something
> > > > > > >> has
> > > > > > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22
> > has
> > > > some
> > > > > > >> "super
> > > > > > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they
> > > service
> > > > > > >> doesn't??
> > > > > > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know
> how
> > > > they
> > > > > > F'd
> > > > > > >> up.
> > > > > > >> > Pardon my french.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son
> > with
> > > > > me...
> > > > > > >> And I
> > > > > > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle
> > > because
> > > > > his
> > > > > > >> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a
> $$$$.xx
> > > > > spend.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I
> > > > minimize
> > > > > > >> > exposure to them.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > > > > > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> > > > > > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> > > > > > >> > Tom
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Tom,
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the
> FRP
> > > > > > >> substrate.
> > > > > > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in
> the
> > > > water
> > > > > or
> > > > > > >> even
> > > > > > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had
> a
> > > fit!
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868046738%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=BNZaZowiYPlBS5H4SNWVGjR8ToxukMiK6eWaTlzR6%2BE%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> for Windows
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > > > > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > > > > > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >
> > > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Ooooof...
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > > > > > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it
> > out.
> > > > > > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a
> > refinish
> > > > > now?
> > > > > > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to
> deal
> > > with
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > >> now?
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting
> > in
> > > > lake
> > > > > > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > > > > > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> > > > > freshwater
> > > > > > >> guys
> > > > > > >> >> messed it up?
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's
> > > been
> > > > > > >> ground in
> > > > > > >> >> by the buffing?
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I
> just
> > > hit
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >> with
> > > > > > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a
> > > > > brush...
> > > > > > >> No
> > > > > > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Tom,
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into
> > their
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to
> > cover
> > > > it?
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate,
> you
> > > are
> > > > > > >> going to
> > > > > > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system
> > > epoxy
> > > > > with
> > > > > > >> >> their
> > > > > > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to
> worry
> > > > about
> > > > > > >> >> osmotic
> > > > > > >> >>> blisters!
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C75e9626457c44942fab308d9940a7224%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637703594868056697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&amp;sdata=loTXidNCJevCJWWC1K0zGR%2F2wcQZPlDvPo9obVlJKmI%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> for Windows
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com
> > > >
> > > > > > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > > > > > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their
> > > > cleaning?
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> > > > > detail....
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
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> > >
> >
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Oct 21 16:40:07 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:40:07 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] What's a Thread?
Message-ID: <E1mder9-004eOZ-5u@s152.servername.online>

Roger,

I've observed some behavior of Pipermail, and drawn some conclusions, but I don't have access to source code, or even documentation.

>From what I've seen, if Pipermail determines that a newly received email is a reply to an older email already in the archives, it will put the new email in the same thread as the older email. (A Pipermail thread can actually have a tree structure. In this case Pipermail will put the new email on the same branch of the thread as the older email.)

It seems clear that Pipermail does not use either the subject line or the contents of the email to determine if one email is a reply to another, so I assume it uses information in the unseen header data.

If Pipermail determines that a new email is NOT a reply to an older email, then the new email becomes the start of a new thread.

To make your response to Wilson part of the 'Go Faster' thread, find an old email from the 'Go Faster' thread in your inbox, create a reply to that email, delete the original contents, insert your response text, change the subject to something appropriate (or leave it as is), and send it.

I think that would be a worthwhile experiment.

--Peter

> On 2021-10-21, at 08:33:13 EDT, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
>
> Peter,
> 
> I will try to keep all this in mind when I respond to a question.  It?s a shame 
> there is no way to move something if it gets misclassified though. 
> 
> What if the new thread were input with the old subject line where it was more 
> appropriate and searchable?  Would Pipermail see the new date and start a new 
> thread?  For example, what would happen if I were to repost my response to 
> Wilson?s ?First Time? as ?Go Faster?.  Would it end up in the archives as 
> somehow associated with and therefore searchable with the original ?Go Faster? 
> thread? 
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 


From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Thu Oct 21 19:11:48 2021
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 18:11:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
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It look to my eye your hull had no bottom paint or it abatived off. To the
point it started growing things. Is thier any gel coat damage? Can not tell
what the white stuff damage? is or just something on the surface?  In the
end , if it damage, you might have to soad blast, flair, barrier and two
coats of mincon. Btw if you are in the mood Larson is 30 miles south for a
second option.

Btw if is just surface you still you still might want to clean it up as
above


On Thu, Oct 21, 2021, 3:33 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> CuSO4 is green blue. Maybe they used something with sulphuric?  Well
> doesn?t matter they screwed it up.
> Chris Enosis
>
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 3:16 AM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > CuO2 should be red, not green?
> > Thanks all.  I expect a call from the  shop owners tomorrow and will keep
> > you posted.  You're my sanity check, and specific experience trump's
> > specific.
> >
> > Kindly,
> > Tom
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > One final thought. (Back in Greece and it is 3:00 am local and can?t
> > > sleep). Roger will know the chemistry:  bottom paint contains Cu oxide?
> > > Common acid based cleaners ( phosphoric acid and HCl come to mind)
> would
> > > react with the Cu in the paint, no?
> > >
> > > Chris Geankoplis
> > > Enosis
> > > Rhodes Greece
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:24 AM Tom Van Heule <
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Agreed mark.  I will have the 3rd party check tomorrow ..
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:15 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tom,
> > > > >
> > > > > Another possible approach: get someone with experience (a marine
> > > > surveyor?)
> > > > > who is not affiliated with the yard to take a look at your hull and
> > > > render
> > > > > an opinion. Better to have one set of eyes on the hull in person
> > than a
> > > > > dozen or more looking at digital photographs. If there is damage
> > you'll
> > > > > need someone to give you an estimate anyway. It just seems very
> > curious
> > > > to
> > > > > me that anything they might use to detail your boat would strip
> paint
> > > and
> > > > > gelcoat off the hull. Lawsuits and such take their own toll on both
> > > > > parties.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mark
> > > > >
> > > > > Boston, MA
> > > > >
> > > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:40 PM Shawn Boles <
> shawn.sustain at gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tom:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed
> > infested
> > > > > > freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the
> finish
> > -
> > > > the
> > > > > > yard washes her at both ends of the season.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think
> > > > > teaching
> > > > > > your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My 2 bitcoins worth.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > Shawn
> > > > > > s/ v Sweet Baboo
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with
> > his
> > > > guy
> > > > > > > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages
> Infront
> > > of
> > > > > > > putting in next year.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I
> > > know
> > > > at
> > > > > > > least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and
> > > > Jessie
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't
> mention
> > in
> > > > > > passion
> > > > > > > would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
> > > > > > > Love our r22,
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new
> bottom,
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with
> > > > another
> > > > > > r22
> > > > > > > > owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen
> > > > observation
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference
> > > > > materials.
> > > > > > > We
> > > > > > > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in
> > value.
> > > > > > (Triple
> > > > > > > > printing USD these last two years aside)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > > > > > > Fair winds,
> > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> Tom,
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> > > > > > knowledgeable
> > > > > > > >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an
> > opinion
> > > > from
> > > > > > > him.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > ?F...
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly
> > > > > appreciated.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat
> it?
> > > Any
> > > > > > > >> resource
> > > > > > > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube
> or
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > >> has
> > > > > > > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the
> R22
> > > has
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > >> "super
> > > > > > > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they
> > > > service
> > > > > > > >> doesn't??
> > > > > > > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know
> > how
> > > > > they
> > > > > > > F'd
> > > > > > > >> up.
> > > > > > > >> > Pardon my french.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son
> > > with
> > > > > > me...
> > > > > > > >> And I
> > > > > > > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle
> > > > because
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > >> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a
> > $$$$.xx
> > > > > > spend.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better
> I
> > > > > minimize
> > > > > > > >> > exposure to them.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > > > > > > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I
> am
> > > > > > > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> > > > > > > >> > Tom
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> Tom,
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> That looks like you?re thru the gelcoat right down to the
> > FRP
> > > > > > > >> substrate.
> > > > > > > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in
> > the
> > > > > water
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > >> even
> > > > > > > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have
> had
> > a
> > > > fit!
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> for Windows
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > > > > > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > > > > > > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> Ooooof...
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > > > > > > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk
> it
> > > out.
> > > > > > > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a
> > > refinish
> > > > > > now?
> > > > > > > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to
> > deal
> > > > with
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > >> now?
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years
> sitting
> > > in
> > > > > lake
> > > > > > > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > > > > > > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> > > > > > freshwater
> > > > > > > >> guys
> > > > > > > >> >> messed it up?
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life,
> that's
> > > > been
> > > > > > > >> ground in
> > > > > > > >> >> by the buffing?
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I
> > just
> > > > hit
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > >> with
> > > > > > > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that
> and a
> > > > > > brush...
> > > > > > > >> No
> > > > > > > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > > > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Tom,
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into
> > > their
> > > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to
> > > cover
> > > > > it?
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate,
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > > > > >> going to
> > > > > > > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST
> system
> > > > epoxy
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > >> >> their
> > > > > > > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to
> > worry
> > > > > about
> > > > > > > >> >> osmotic
> > > > > > > >> >>> blisters!
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> > > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> for Windows
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:
> > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > > > > > > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their
> > > > > cleaning?
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> > > > > > detail....
> > > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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From reefnsail123 at yahoo.com  Thu Oct 21 21:23:50 2021
From: reefnsail123 at yahoo.com (Wilson Cook)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2021 21:23:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4390, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1574.1634758771.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.1574.1634758771.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <C74131CF-653B-42BF-B715-019EB25CFB1C@yahoo.com>

That sounds exactly like what I was dealing with.

Also in previous post I discovered I was using chains incorrectly. Previous owner had them connected between winch pole and aft side stays with the forward stays just loose disconnected. 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2021, at 3:39 PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
> 
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> Today's Topics:
> 
>   1. boat show report (stan)
>   2. Re: boat show report (Mark West)
>   3. RHODES WEAR (Joe Dempsey)
>   4. Re: RHODES WEAR (Jeffrey Camiel)
>   5. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1 (Ric Stott)
>   6. Re: boat show report (Todd Tavares)
>   7. Detail fail? (Tom Van Heule)
>   8. Re: First Time (Tom Van Heule)
>   9. Re: First Time (Jeffrey Camiel)
>  10. Re: First Time (Tom Van Heule)
>  11. Re: boat show report (Frank Goldsmith)
>  12. Re: RHODES WEAR (Michael D. Weisner)
>  13. Re: Detail fail? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>  14. Re: First time (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>  15. Email List Usage Guidelines Reminder (Peter Nyberg)
>  16. Re: First time (Mark West)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:55:04 -0400
> From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
> Message-ID: <6d3d6d5d-d862-a278-78c1-ba86221aa5a3 at generalboats.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
> 
> Another show, another milestone.
> 
> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man 
> office so patience is requested.
> 
> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production 
> end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show 
> (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first 
> day.? A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to 
> multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own 
> business to make that happen. ? And equal thanks to long time owner 
> Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in 
> spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area, 
> collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.? Thanks also to 
> Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their 
> world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old 
> man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
> 
> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month 
> to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the 
> second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere 
> in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged 
> ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:41:33 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
> Message-ID: <1531204235.2633443.1634748093863 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> glad you made the show Stan best wishes Mark
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 11:55 am
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
> 
> Another show, another milestone.
> 
> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man 
> office so patience is requested.
> 
> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production 
> end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show 
> (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first 
> day.? A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to 
> multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own 
> business to make that happen. ? And equal thanks to long time owner 
> Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in 
> spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area, 
> collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.? Thanks also to 
> Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their 
> world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old 
> man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
> 
> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month 
> to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the 
> second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere 
> in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged 
> ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:00:24 -0400
> From: "Joe Dempsey" <joedempsey at hughes.net>
> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
> Message-ID: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
> the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
> some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
> order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
> order more when these are gone.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:28:19 -0500
> From: Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
> Message-ID: <48DBACE1-5D65-41B2-8ABA-8DA2393C492E at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
> 
> Two hats!!
> 
> What do I need to do?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
>> the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
>> some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
>> order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
>> order more when these are gone.
>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:31:25 -0400
> From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1
> Message-ID:
>    <F24BE7E2-D899-4700-8EC0-EA7815AF157F at stottarchitecture.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> Thanks Todd 
> I?m usually by myself also. 
> I love the idea of the electric winch with a remote - let us know how that goes.  
> So far I have not had sideways leaning  issues that couldn?t be controlled easily from the crane as the mast is on the way up or down - even in some pretty heavy wind. 
> I will be lowering the mast this Saturday while on the mooring so that when I motor over to the ramp at dusk, I can haul-it and go - 
> Shhhh! - long silly story about municipal permits, trailers and tow vehicles. 
> Ric 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Ric,
>> 
>> It must be that the front lower stays attached with the chain extensions
>> are to keep the mast from leaning beam wise??
>> 
>> I have a self-made system and attach the forward lowers to the crane pole,
>> and have wondered the same thing.
>> 
>> I  use baby stays attached to eyelets on the mast below the spreader
>> brackets to keep the mast in line. This method was outlined in one of the
>> early GB instructions. My system utilizes the trailer winch cable attached
>> to the crane pole. The baby stay lines run under the cabintop handrail aft
>> of the center mount fitting then forward and tied off to the trailer tower
>> next to the winch with a tautline hitch. I can easily adjust the tension in
>> flight, and if the mast tries to lean sideways while cranking, I can just
>> put a bit of pressure down on the opposite baby stay and bring the mast
>> back/keep it in line.
>> 
>> I have purchased a small at electric winch at Harbor Freight that I will
>> try next spring
>> It has a remote fob so I can stand on the foredeck and control the mast by
>> and foresail/furler without having to stay at the winch. It should make the
>> process much easier single handed...hopefully.
>> 
>> Todd T
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:01 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> GM List
>>> Since I owned the boat in 2013, I have used friends and family for my mast
>>> crane.
>>> Manipulating it without a crane is not as difficult with a continental rig
>>> because it?w lighter without the main sail attached.
>>> Now - I have a home made crane that I bought in NJ, and used without any
>>> guidance.
>>> I used it the first time at the end of 2020 to lower the mast.
>>> Intuitively - I hooked the froward-lowers to the crane and left the
>>> aft-lowers connected  to the chainplates.
>>> Worked like a charm!
>>> I made the same connections to raise the mast this spring - again - no
>>> problem.
>>> I don?t understand the logic of connecting the aft-lowers to the crane and
>>> the need for extenders for the forward-lowers.
>>> Can someone fill me in?
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>> HBNY
>>> 
>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>> O -631-283-1777
>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
>>> short. But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
>>> chainplate. Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered
>>> again-put in third link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank
>>> handle was parallel to deck instead perpendicular would have had another
>>> turn.
>>>> 
>>>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
>>> because when it popped the headstay was looser.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:18 AM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> 
>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>> http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Re: Live from Annapolis this morning (Tom Van Heule)
>>>>> 2. Help (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>>> 3. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>>> 4. Re: Stan at the show (Mark Wynn)
>>>>> 5. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>>> 6. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>>> 7. Re: Help (Michael Corley)
>>>>> 8. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Stephen Staum)
>>>>> 9. Re: Help (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>>> 10. Re: Bimini Car attachment (C. Robert Lester)
>>>>> 11. First time (Wilson Cook)
>>>>> 12. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
>>>>> 13. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
>>>>> 14. Re: First time (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>>>>> 15. Re: First time (Wilson Cook)
>>>>> 16. Re: First time (Jesse Shumaker)
>>>>> 17. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
>>>>> 18. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
>>>>> 19. Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
>>>>> 20. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Todd Tavares)
>>>>> 21. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
>>>>> 22. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Michael D. Weisner)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:34:40 -0500
>>>>> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAEqJHY5LLMDyswRbCr9-Z=tE7xwKOZJ383pegVar2dtuJE99YQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> And all of us!!!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 2:48 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please say hi to Stan from Vermont Graham!
>>>>>> G
>>>>>> Sv.00Sailin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Charles,
>>>>>>>        I wasn't going to go to the show because General Boats was
>>> not
>>>>>>> listed.  But now I see that you are there!  I'm on my way down and
>>> should
>>>>>>> be there in an hour and a half or less!  Looking forward to seeing you
>>>>>>> guys.  I'm in the states only a few days before returning to Greece so
>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> is a great way to spend some time.
>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 10:31 AM Charles Gabriel <
>>>>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
>>>>>>>> live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
>>>>>>>> happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
>>>>>>>> it here:
>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:07:58 -0400
>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CADNTwiWZ_AjEddR_w_m3z33OCEci-QnysCQFQtABYJiCZBRV9w at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
>>>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>>> perhaps
>>>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help
>>> but
>>>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>>> handle
>>>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>>>> great.
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:16:50 -0400
>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CADNTwiVARD1HbFctbEjU28g6c9j4MaJgMrgQO1=Zx0pFu0Jucg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>>>>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
>>> US to
>>>>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
>>>>> need bail money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris.   Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
>>>>>> Rhodes story
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Welcome home!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rod and Mary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>>>>> owners to
>>>>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
>>> my
>>>>>>> age.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:51:03 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>> From: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>,  Rod Ellner
>>>>> <rodellner at mac.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>>>>> Message-ID: <1408987542.1546022.1634381463595 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a
>>> cake with hack saw blade included.?Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?? on
>>> Magothy River, MD
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>>>>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
>>> US to
>>>>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
>>>>> need bail money.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris.? Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.? We need to hear your Rhode
>>>>>> Rhodes story
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Welcome home!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rod and Mary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?Bill Wickman and? I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>>>>> owners to
>>>>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
>>> my
>>>>>>> age.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:32:29 -0400
>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CADNTwiWGTu=nX-HOe-kYOaeu4quHdQVJzoM6+Tiodcg70i0_bA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for the thought Mark. Hope you get a chance to see Stan. Just
>>> got an
>>>>> email from my Turkish ?agent?. Looks like the solution can be ?
>>> arranged?.
>>>>> I?m not going to ask. Have you guys been out on the boat?
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> Enosis
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 6:51 AM Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a
>>> cake
>>>>>> with hack saw blade included. Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?  on Magothy
>>>>>> River, MD
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>>>>>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
>>> US to
>>>>>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if
>>> I
>>>>>> need bail money.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris.  Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
>>>>>>> Rhodes story
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Welcome home!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rod and Mary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>>>>>> owners to
>>>>>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use
>>> a
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
>>> my
>>>>>>>> age.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:37:57 -0400
>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson Cook
>>>>> <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CADNTwiWF8vEFs0cJ2H_vmyPn_BbT6evCfU+wp8J4aJ6tFaBs0Q at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Welcome Wilson!  You are now a member of a group of passionate, devoted
>>>>> (hmm sounds a bit like a cult- might be)  group of men and women who
>>> take
>>>>> great joy in sailing and helping others enjoy their Rhodes.
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> Enosis
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
>>>>>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some
>>> index or
>>>>>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:12:29 -0400
>>>>> From: Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CACSd1j+k0qTKqABordYLNz45z2HHNUga9z94EiQa=SD73T63fg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Mike Corley
>>>>> s/v Ranger
>>>>> Hampton Roads
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to
>>> attend
>>>>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>>> perhaps
>>>>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to
>>> help but
>>>>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>>> handle
>>>>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>>>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:14:36 -0400
>>>>> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAOo_Fjcj7xQMuEEmxES8CRsp0bHH0tB6d8_+87Txp+rS4XMs1Q at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Welcome to 'da list.  Let us know if you need any help or advice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Stephen Staum*
>>>>> *s/v Pinafore (my 3rd Rhodes 22)*
>>>>> 
>>>>> *Needham, MA*
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
>>>>>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some
>>> index or
>>>>>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:48:58 -0400
>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CADNTwiV2t-Ef4DcqnjiXmn6mc3pgF+sQu1nxSWJuho-mSwJdzQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> That is great Mike.  We all appreciate your helping Stan!
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> Enosis
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:12 AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Mike Corley
>>>>>> s/v Ranger
>>>>>> Hampton Roads
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to
>>> attend
>>>>>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to
>>> help
>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>>>>>> handle
>>>>>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>>>>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 10
>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:11:05 +0000
>>>>> From: "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <
>>> BN9PR03MB61567E7B2DA124E065DBBFEDAEBA9 at BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Found it!
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-27/canvas-covers/biminis/bimini-genoa-track-cars/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks all for the feedback an pics.
>>>>> Bob
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> Todd Tavares
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:46 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
>>>>> 
>>>>> Bob,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm not sure what you are asking for.
>>>>> A bimini car rides on the genoa track (usually).
>>>>> 
>>>>> As far as the traveller car, there have been several different styles
>>> of traveller used over the years. Some are specific custom cars and others
>>> are available commercially.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you are looking for the traveller car that rides on a 1" round bar,
>>> original probably after 1984, it is available from rig rite.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2FTravellers%2FNF_Travellers%2FRound%2520Bar%2520Travellers.php&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Ca5fd7dcf75fc4b6555e508d98734fdec%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637689484519658672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=sKNpdcuORflc9uCgB2PgoSHMd9%2Fat1HFmajlMfbHo1A%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 12:06 AM C. Robert Lester <
>>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> Would some of you share a pic with me...I'm interested in what the
>>>>>> bimini car on the traveler looks like.
>>>>>> I'm currently trying to mate the parts I have together.
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>> ('84 ORION)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 11
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 07:57:46 -0400
>>>>> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> Message-ID: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 12
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:17:30 +0000
>>>>> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
>>>>> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson
>>>>> Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <
>>> DM6PR05MB6985FAA050B2F85FC2E6F600C1BC9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next to
>>> the chainplate. - rob
>>>>> 
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>> Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 13
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:11:05 -0700
>>>>> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> Message-ID: <E1mcSPx-000V1H-Cu at s152.servername.online>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?or it might be on the port side.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Which side the tensioner get cleated to depends on how the blocks on
>>> the back stays are configured.  Mine are set for port side cleaning, but
>>> General Boats put cleats on both sides, just in case.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016]
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2021-10-18, at 08:17:30 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>>> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next
>>> to the
>>>>>> chainplate. - rob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 14
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:36:06 +0000
>>>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>>> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <
>>> CH2PR02MB6920B2DEB50D42D434B525BE80BC9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Wilson,
>>>>> 
>>>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
>>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
>>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
>>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
>>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
>>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>>>> 2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up
>>> Spring
>>>>> 3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
>>> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>>>> 
>>>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
>>> horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.
>>> Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
>>> control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take
>>> up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
>>> in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
>>> line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to
>>> eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave
>>> the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).
>>> So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note,
>>> the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
>>> backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
>>> Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade
>>> associated with the genoa.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>> 
>>>>> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 15
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:07:21 -0400
>>>>> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>>> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> Message-ID: <830884C5-A7FA-4F95-82DA-E07A302138A7 at yahoo.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yes I have the mast hoist. I can?t imagine it would be possible
>>> certainly alone without it. I?m at work but I do have a vague memory of a
>>> cleat over there that I thought was odd. Now I know.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is a great resource. Thank you
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 11:36 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?
>>>>>> Hi Wilson,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
>>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
>>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
>>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
>>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
>>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>>>>> Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
>>>>>> 10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine
>>> Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
>>> horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.
>>> Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
>>> control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take
>>> up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
>>> in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
>>> line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to
>>> eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave
>>> the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).
>>> So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note,
>>> the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
>>> backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
>>> Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade
>>> associated with the genoa.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> <919EB46A00C54B95B151B34D35E652BB.jpg>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 16
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:19:34 -0500
>>>>> From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAMc-3fpPOvWvYRvkEdewDpXGfHo94czkHRr-3y4Nc_5NffyP4w at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Roger, great idea on the easily adjustable backstay adjuster!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wilson, there are a number of posts with checklists for mast raising /
>>>>> lowering using the GB system that people have created over time.  Let us
>>>>> know if you are looking for that and have any trouble finding examples.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jesse Shumaker
>>>>> S/V Zephyr
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:36 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Wilson,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>>>>>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast
>>> without
>>>>>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you
>>> have
>>>>>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI
>>> mast
>>>>>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system
>>> makes
>>>>>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>>>>>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>>>>>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>>>>>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay
>>> sag.
>>>>>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>>>>>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay
>>> adjuster:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>>>>> 2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up
>>> Spring
>>>>>> 3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
>>>>>> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
>>> horned
>>>>>> cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now,
>>>>>> using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
>>> control
>>>>>> line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up
>>> the
>>>>>> slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
>>> in the
>>>>>> backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
>>> line to
>>>>>> the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate
>>>>>> forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the
>>>>>> backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana
>>> boat!).  So,
>>>>>> I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.
>>> Note, the
>>>>>> Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
>>> backstay
>>>>>> tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
>>> Headsail
>>>>>> Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated
>>>>>> with the genoa.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>> Windows
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>> short
>>>>>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>> challenge was
>>>>>> the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice.
>>> Once it
>>>>>> was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
>>>>>> masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>>> 
>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211018/7f5499a9/attachment.jpg
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 17
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:25:23 -0700
>>>>> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> Message-ID: <E1mcZCF-003QBi-IT at s152.servername.online>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I
>>> assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to
>>> its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention
>>> of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect
>>> on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the
>>> forestay connection, unless...
>>>>> 
>>>>> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>> short
>>>>>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>> challenge was the
>>>>>> headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it
>>> was
>>>>>> finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
>>> masthead and
>>>>>> then forestay was looser.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>> there is
>>>>>> no cleat?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 18
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:34:17 +0000
>>>>> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <
>>> DM6PR05MB698545815394C03865A1E249C1BC9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Photos always help too. Take a photo (jpeg preferred) and send it to us
>>> as an attachment.  Having the backstay adjustment slack will also give you
>>> some leeway with the forestay.  Once it's connected, you can tighten the
>>> backstays.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Rob
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 4:25 PM
>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I
>>> assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to
>>> its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention
>>> of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect
>>> on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the
>>> forestay connection, unless...
>>>>> 
>>>>> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>>>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>>>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening
>>>>>> chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays
>>>>>> something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 19
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:24:40 -0500
>>>>> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>> the
>>>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>>> member
>>>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>>> care
>>>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 20
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:30:39 -0400
>>>>> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>>>>> plates yourself.
>>>>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
>>> set.
>>>>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
>>> they
>>>>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>>>>> several years ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>> the
>>>>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>>> member
>>>>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>>> care
>>>>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 21
>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:48:01 -0500
>>>>> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>> <CANbEFCviibdgn9JPFBpMoUinzCNqh3KSYHQkJfZUPuLN9MwmDg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are there different strengths or if I get the same thickness it should
>>>>> suffice?   Thanks Todd!
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>>>>>> plates yourself.
>>>>>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
>>> set.
>>>>>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
>>> they
>>>>>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>>>>>> several years ago.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>>>>>> member
>>>>>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>>>>>> care
>>>>>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Message: 22
>>>>> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:18:10 -0400
>>>>> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>>> Message-ID: <003b01d7c4a0$5405b2b0$fc111810$@ebsmed.com>
>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt,
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you make a pair, be sure that you specify that you need both sides
>>> and that they are mirror images with respect to the edge bevels.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mike
>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>> Todd Tavares
>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:31 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>>> 
>>>>> Matt,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>>> plates yourself.
>>>>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
>>> set.
>>>>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
>>> they may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>>> several years ago.
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>>>>> the best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not
>>>>>> a member of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping
>>>>>> to take care of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> Subject: Digest Footer
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Rhodes22-list mailing list
>>>>> Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>> http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>> 
>>>>> End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1
>>>>> **********************************************
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:39:50 -0400
> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
> Message-ID:
>    <CAB-twMMmxMXw-m+uZYGaMskVwMWh1fHysnGhX3LUOgkN+vJ73g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Stan
> Congratulations on the sale!!  ...and on the successful show.
> 
> Todd Tavares
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:55 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Another show, another milestone.
>> 
>> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man
>> office so patience is requested.
>> 
>> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production
>> end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show
>> (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first
>> day.  A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to
>> multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own
>> business to make that happen.   And equal thanks to long time owner
>> Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in
>> spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area,
>> collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.  Thanks also to
>> Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their
>> world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old
>> man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
>> 
>> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
>> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month
>> to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the
>> second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere
>> in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged
>> ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:14:46 -0500
> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> Message-ID:
>    <CAEqJHY7L6pnRT4F0ZnSKiBjte4Mp8F58eSPz6wcJNFsrd4ey8g at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
> 
> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:24:37 -0500
> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
> Message-ID:
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> 
> Fwiw
> 
> Hook crane up to stand up. Chains on forward stays, forestay back to mast.
> Lower.
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:38 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Wilson,
>> 
>> I suspect that you are using the chains in the wrong place.
>> 
>> There has been more than one version of the mast lifting system, but I
>> only know the details  of the one I have (circa 2016).  I'll just have to
>> assume that yours is the same .
>> 
>> When you are going to raise the mast, the mast crane should start out
>> tipped a little aft of vertical.  The aft lower shrouds are attached
>> directly to the mast crane.  The upper shrouds are connected to their
>> chainplates.  The forward lower shrouds should also be connected to their
>> chainplates, but they won't reach.  This is where the chains are used to
>> extend the forward lowers.
>> 
>> When you get to the point where the mast is vertical, the mast crane will
>> be close to horizontal, but there should still be enough room to continue
>> to rotate the winch handle until the back stays are pretty tight, and the
>> forestay can be attached to its chainplate without too much struggle.
>> 
>> Peter Nyberg
>> Coventry, CT
>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>> 
>>>> On 2021-10-19, at 22:02:11 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>> 
>>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
>> short.
>>> But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
>> chainplate.
>>> Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in
>> third
>>> link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was
>> parallel to
>>> deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn.
>>> 
>>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
>> because
>>> when it popped the headstay was looser.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:53:25 -0500
> From: Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
> Message-ID: <2DAF0058-2B47-4A34-A291-FB9DE46E8734 at gmail.com>
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> 
> Folks,
> How long are the chains for the forward stays?
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Fwiw
>> 
>> Hook crane up to stand up. Chains on forward stays, forestay back to mast.
>> Lower.
>> 
>>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:38 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wilson,
>>> 
>>> I suspect that you are using the chains in the wrong place.
>>> 
>>> There has been more than one version of the mast lifting system, but I
>>> only know the details  of the one I have (circa 2016).  I'll just have to
>>> assume that yours is the same .
>>> 
>>> When you are going to raise the mast, the mast crane should start out
>>> tipped a little aft of vertical.  The aft lower shrouds are attached
>>> directly to the mast crane.  The upper shrouds are connected to their
>>> chainplates.  The forward lower shrouds should also be connected to their
>>> chainplates, but they won't reach.  This is where the chains are used to
>>> extend the forward lowers.
>>> 
>>> When you get to the point where the mast is vertical, the mast crane will
>>> be close to horizontal, but there should still be enough room to continue
>>> to rotate the winch handle until the back stays are pretty tight, and the
>>> forestay can be attached to its chainplate without too much struggle.
>>> 
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>> 
>>>>> On 2021-10-19, at 22:02:11 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
>>> short.
>>>> But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
>>> chainplate.
>>>> Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in
>>> third
>>>> link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was
>>> parallel to
>>>> deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn.
>>>> 
>>>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
>>> because
>>>> when it popped the headstay was looser.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:08 -0500
> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
> Message-ID:
>    <CAEqJHY6LAf9VRUcXShnOGFMjLscgLyzeWVY1wGd_KmirHk=8Aw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I don't have them on hand to measure.
> Iirc, and I'm sure someone will correct/confirm, two 1/4" OD snap carbineer
> with 8 loops of 1/4" OD galvanized chain.
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 1:53 PM Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Folks,
>> How long are the chains for the forward stays?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Fwiw
>>> 
>>> Hook crane up to stand up. Chains on forward stays, forestay back to
>> mast.
>>> Lower.
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:38 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Wilson,
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect that you are using the chains in the wrong place.
>>>> 
>>>> There has been more than one version of the mast lifting system, but I
>>>> only know the details  of the one I have (circa 2016).  I'll just have
>> to
>>>> assume that yours is the same .
>>>> 
>>>> When you are going to raise the mast, the mast crane should start out
>>>> tipped a little aft of vertical.  The aft lower shrouds are attached
>>>> directly to the mast crane.  The upper shrouds are connected to their
>>>> chainplates.  The forward lower shrouds should also be connected to
>> their
>>>> chainplates, but they won't reach.  This is where the chains are used to
>>>> extend the forward lowers.
>>>> 
>>>> When you get to the point where the mast is vertical, the mast crane
>> will
>>>> be close to horizontal, but there should still be enough room to
>> continue
>>>> to rotate the winch handle until the back stays are pretty tight, and
>> the
>>>> forestay can be attached to its chainplate without too much struggle.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2021-10-19, at 22:02:11 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
>>>> short.
>>>>> But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
>>>> chainplate.
>>>>> Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in
>>>> third
>>>>> link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was
>>>> parallel to
>>>>> deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
>>>> because
>>>>> when it popped the headstay was looser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:05:02 -0400
> From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
> Message-ID: <47140BD9-34B3-4425-8ACE-62ACD71B9918 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Ditto from me ? great news about a successful boat show for GB and Stan!
> 
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Stan
>> Congratulations on the sale!!  ...and on the successful show.
>> 
>> Todd Tavares
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:55 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another show, another milestone.
>>> 
>>> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man
>>> office so patience is requested.
>>> 
>>> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production
>>> end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show
>>> (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first
>>> day.  A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to
>>> multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own
>>> business to make that happen.   And equal thanks to long time owner
>>> Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in
>>> spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area,
>>> collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.  Thanks also to
>>> Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their
>>> world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old
>>> man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
>>> 
>>> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
>>> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month
>>> to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the
>>> second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere
>>> in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged
>>> ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
>>> 
>>> stan
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:11:06 -0400
> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
> Message-ID: <002e01d7c5e6$3c659840$b530c8c0$@ebsmed.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hey Joe,
> 
> Maybe you could send one to Stan.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I'd rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe
> Dempsey
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 1:00 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
> 
> Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
> the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
> some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
> order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
> order more when these are gone.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:14:22 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> Message-ID:
>    <CH2PR02MB692032FC91A6CC7318F6B47180BE9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> Tom,
> 
> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> 
> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going to have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with their 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about osmotic blisters!
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> 
> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
> 
> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:24:31 +0000
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>    <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> Message-ID:
>    <CH2PR02MB6920B94EF25E08F20B900B4C80BE9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
> 
> Hi Wilson,
> 
> I?ve been thinking about what might have ?popped? at the masthead and then the forestay was looser.  There is a toggle joint where the forestay attaches to the masthead casting.  When you are trailering the boat or setting the mast up to be stepped, this toggle joint can get folded back onto itself, thus using up about 1-1/2? of forestay.  I believe your toggle joint got stuck in the folded position until quite a bit of tension was applied to the forestay and then it straightened itself out with a loud ?pop?.  Checking the position of the toggle joint is something to add to your checklist.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> 
> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
> 
> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:24:55 -0700
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Email List Usage Guidelines Reminder
> Message-ID: <E1mdHCp-007Xq8-W2 at s152.servername.online>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Here are two things that make the archives less useful: 
>    1) off topic subject lines
>    2) extraneous quoted content that is not pertinent to the topic at hand.
> 
> It's especially important to keep these things in mind when a thread is started or extended by a reply to a daily digest, as opposed to an individual post.  The daily digest emails can be pretty big,  will usually have lots and lots of text that has no relevance to the current discussion, and their subject lines are never on topic.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> --Peter
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 16
> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:39:25 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> Message-ID: <1363538359.2680646.1634758765597 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I agree with Rodger also check backstays? as mast is raised up had one bind up
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 3:24 pm
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> 
> Hi Wilson,
> 
> I?ve been thinking about what might have ?popped? at the masthead and then the forestay was looser.? There is a toggle joint where the forestay attaches to the masthead casting.? When you are trailering the boat or setting the mast up to be stepped, this toggle joint can get folded back onto itself, thus using up about 1-1/2? of forestay.? I believe your toggle joint got stuck in the folded position until quite a bit of tension was applied to the forestay and then it straightened itself out with a loud ?pop?.? Checking the position of the toggle joint is something to add to your checklist.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
> 
> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed? Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
> 
> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Subject: Digest Footer
> 
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> End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4390, Issue 2
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Fri Oct 22 09:05:51 2021
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 09:05:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4390, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <C74131CF-653B-42BF-B715-019EB25CFB1C@yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1574.1634758771.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
 <C74131CF-653B-42BF-B715-019EB25CFB1C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A9A820BB-20E2-4A61-9ED7-41A810EAC57D@stottarchitecture.com>

Thinking about the set-up it makes sense and will prevent inadvertent side motion of the mast. 
Although I have not had an issue in my limited experience, it seems like god ?insurance?. 
I?m going to set this up for my mast lowering operation this weekend. 
Ric 
Dadventure 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Oct 21, 2021, at 9:23 PM, Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> That sounds exactly like what I was dealing with.
> 
> Also in previous post I discovered I was using chains incorrectly. Previous owner had them connected between winch pole and aft side stays with the forward stays just loose disconnected. 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 3:39 PM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
>> 
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>> 
>> Today's Topics:
>> 
>>  1. boat show report (stan)
>>  2. Re: boat show report (Mark West)
>>  3. RHODES WEAR (Joe Dempsey)
>>  4. Re: RHODES WEAR (Jeffrey Camiel)
>>  5. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1 (Ric Stott)
>>  6. Re: boat show report (Todd Tavares)
>>  7. Detail fail? (Tom Van Heule)
>>  8. Re: First Time (Tom Van Heule)
>>  9. Re: First Time (Jeffrey Camiel)
>> 10. Re: First Time (Tom Van Heule)
>> 11. Re: boat show report (Frank Goldsmith)
>> 12. Re: RHODES WEAR (Michael D. Weisner)
>> 13. Re: Detail fail? (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>> 14. Re: First time (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>> 15. Email List Usage Guidelines Reminder (Peter Nyberg)
>> 16. Re: First time (Mark West)
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:55:04 -0400
>> From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
>> Message-ID: <6d3d6d5d-d862-a278-78c1-ba86221aa5a3 at generalboats.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"
>> 
>> Another show, another milestone.
>> 
>> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man 
>> office so patience is requested.
>> 
>> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production 
>> end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show 
>> (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first 
>> day.? A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to 
>> multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own 
>> business to make that happen. ? And equal thanks to long time owner 
>> Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in 
>> spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area, 
>> collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.? Thanks also to 
>> Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their 
>> world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old 
>> man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
>> 
>> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
>> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month 
>> to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the 
>> second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere 
>> in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged 
>> ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 16:41:33 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
>> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
>> Message-ID: <1531204235.2633443.1634748093863 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> glad you made the show Stan best wishes Mark
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 11:55 am
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
>> 
>> Another show, another milestone.
>> 
>> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man 
>> office so patience is requested.
>> 
>> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production 
>> end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show 
>> (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first 
>> day.? A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to 
>> multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own 
>> business to make that happen. ? And equal thanks to long time owner 
>> Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in 
>> spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area, 
>> collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.? Thanks also to 
>> Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their 
>> world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old 
>> man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
>> 
>> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
>> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month 
>> to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the 
>> second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere 
>> in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged 
>> ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
>> 
>> stan
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:00:24 -0400
>> From: "Joe Dempsey" <joedempsey at hughes.net>
>> To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
>> Message-ID: <019d01d7c5d3$ff657710$fe306530$@hughes.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
>> the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
>> some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
>> order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
>> order more when these are gone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:28:19 -0500
>> From: Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
>> Message-ID: <48DBACE1-5D65-41B2-8ABA-8DA2393C492E at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Two hats!!
>> 
>> What do I need to do?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 12:00 PM, Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
>>> the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
>>> some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
>>> order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
>>> order more when these are gone.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:31:25 -0400
>> From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1
>> Message-ID:
>>   <F24BE7E2-D899-4700-8EC0-EA7815AF157F at stottarchitecture.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Thanks Todd 
>> I?m usually by myself also. 
>> I love the idea of the electric winch with a remote - let us know how that goes.  
>> So far I have not had sideways leaning  issues that couldn?t be controlled easily from the crane as the mast is on the way up or down - even in some pretty heavy wind. 
>> I will be lowering the mast this Saturday while on the mooring so that when I motor over to the ramp at dusk, I can haul-it and go - 
>> Shhhh! - long silly story about municipal permits, trailers and tow vehicles. 
>> Ric 
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 11:05 AM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Ric,
>>> 
>>> It must be that the front lower stays attached with the chain extensions
>>> are to keep the mast from leaning beam wise??
>>> 
>>> I have a self-made system and attach the forward lowers to the crane pole,
>>> and have wondered the same thing.
>>> 
>>> I  use baby stays attached to eyelets on the mast below the spreader
>>> brackets to keep the mast in line. This method was outlined in one of the
>>> early GB instructions. My system utilizes the trailer winch cable attached
>>> to the crane pole. The baby stay lines run under the cabintop handrail aft
>>> of the center mount fitting then forward and tied off to the trailer tower
>>> next to the winch with a tautline hitch. I can easily adjust the tension in
>>> flight, and if the mast tries to lean sideways while cranking, I can just
>>> put a bit of pressure down on the opposite baby stay and bring the mast
>>> back/keep it in line.
>>> 
>>> I have purchased a small at electric winch at Harbor Freight that I will
>>> try next spring
>>> It has a remote fob so I can stand on the foredeck and control the mast by
>>> and foresail/furler without having to stay at the winch. It should make the
>>> process much easier single handed...hopefully.
>>> 
>>> Todd T
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 10:01 AM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> GM List
>>>> Since I owned the boat in 2013, I have used friends and family for my mast
>>>> crane.
>>>> Manipulating it without a crane is not as difficult with a continental rig
>>>> because it?w lighter without the main sail attached.
>>>> Now - I have a home made crane that I bought in NJ, and used without any
>>>> guidance.
>>>> I used it the first time at the end of 2020 to lower the mast.
>>>> Intuitively - I hooked the froward-lowers to the crane and left the
>>>> aft-lowers connected  to the chainplates.
>>>> Worked like a charm!
>>>> I made the same connections to raise the mast this spring - again - no
>>>> problem.
>>>> I don?t understand the logic of connecting the aft-lowers to the crane and
>>>> the need for extenders for the forward-lowers.
>>>> Can someone fill me in?
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>> HBNY
>>>> 
>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 10:02 PM, Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
>>>> short. But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
>>>> chainplate. Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered
>>>> again-put in third link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank
>>>> handle was parallel to deck instead perpendicular would have had another
>>>> turn.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
>>>> because when it popped the headstay was looser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Oct 19, 2021, at 12:18 AM, rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>> http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>> rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>> rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>> than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1. Re: Live from Annapolis this morning (Tom Van Heule)
>>>>>> 2. Help (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>>>> 3. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>>>> 4. Re: Stan at the show (Mark Wynn)
>>>>>> 5. Re: Stan at the show (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>>>> 6. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>>>> 7. Re: Help (Michael Corley)
>>>>>> 8. Re: I?m a Rhodie (Stephen Staum)
>>>>>> 9. Re: Help (Chris Geankoplis)
>>>>>> 10. Re: Bimini Car attachment (C. Robert Lester)
>>>>>> 11. First time (Wilson Cook)
>>>>>> 12. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
>>>>>> 13. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
>>>>>> 14. Re: First time (ROGER PIHLAJA)
>>>>>> 15. Re: First time (Wilson Cook)
>>>>>> 16. Re: First time (Jesse Shumaker)
>>>>>> 17. Re: First time (Peter Nyberg)
>>>>>> 18. Re: First time (Lowe, Rob)
>>>>>> 19. Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
>>>>>> 20. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Todd Tavares)
>>>>>> 21. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Matt Wilson)
>>>>>> 22. Re: Rudder cheek plate (Michael D. Weisner)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 18:34:40 -0500
>>>>>> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Live from Annapolis this morning
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CAEqJHY5LLMDyswRbCr9-Z=tE7xwKOZJ383pegVar2dtuJE99YQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> And all of us!!!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021, 2:48 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Please say hi to Stan from Vermont Graham!
>>>>>>> G
>>>>>>> Sv.00Sailin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 12:09 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?Charles,
>>>>>>>>       I wasn't going to go to the show because General Boats was
>>>> not
>>>>>>>> listed.  But now I see that you are there!  I'm on my way down and
>>>> should
>>>>>>>> be there in an hour and a half or less!  Looking forward to seeing you
>>>>>>>> guys.  I'm in the states only a few days before returning to Greece so
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is a great way to spend some time.
>>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 10:31 AM Charles Gabriel <
>>>>>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> The folks from the Youtube channel "Acorn To Arabella" held a
>>>>>>>>> live feed from the show this morning, and near the end they just
>>>>>>>>> happened to walk by the General Boats exhibit.  You can watch
>>>>>>>>> it here:
>>>>>>>>> https://youtu.be/498a2IpwfAc?t=3972
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:07:58 -0400
>>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CADNTwiWZ_AjEddR_w_m3z33OCEci-QnysCQFQtABYJiCZBRV9w at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to attend
>>>>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>>>> perhaps
>>>>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to help
>>>> but
>>>>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>>>> handle
>>>>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>>>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>>>>> great.
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 3
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 23:16:50 -0400
>>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Rod Ellner <rodellner at mac.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CADNTwiVARD1HbFctbEjU28g6c9j4MaJgMrgQO1=Zx0pFu0Jucg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>>>>>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
>>>> US to
>>>>>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
>>>>>> need bail money.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris.   Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
>>>>>>> Rhodes story
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Welcome home!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rod and Mary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>>>>>> owners to
>>>>>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
>>>> my
>>>>>>>> age.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 4
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:51:03 +0000 (UTC)
>>>>>> From: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>,  Rod Ellner
>>>>>> <rodellner at mac.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>>>>>> Message-ID: <1408987542.1546022.1634381463595 at mail.yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a
>>>> cake with hack saw blade included.?Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?? on
>>>> Magothy River, MD
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>>>>>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
>>>> US to
>>>>>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if I
>>>>>> need bail money.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris.? Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.? We need to hear your Rhode
>>>>>>> Rhodes story
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Welcome home!
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Rod and Mary
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> ?Bill Wickman and? I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>>>>>> owners to
>>>>>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use a
>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
>>>> my
>>>>>>>> age.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 5
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:32:29 -0400
>>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Mark Wynn <markwynn at verizon.net>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Stan at the show
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CADNTwiWGTu=nX-HOe-kYOaeu4quHdQVJzoM6+Tiodcg70i0_bA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks for the thought Mark. Hope you get a chance to see Stan. Just
>>>> got an
>>>>>> email from my Turkish ?agent?. Looks like the solution can be ?
>>>> arranged?.
>>>>>> I?m not going to ask. Have you guys been out on the boat?
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 6:51 AM Mark Wynn via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Good luck with the Greeks and Turks. Let us know if we should send a
>>>> cake
>>>>>>> with hack saw blade included. Mark WynnSailing ?Windchimes?  on Magothy
>>>>>>> River, MD
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021, 11:17 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ah, the journal will eventually get posted. I ran head on into
>>>>>>> Greek/Turkish bureaucracy so convoluted that I had to fly back to the
>>>> US to
>>>>>>> get it fixed. Headed to Greece now. Let you all how it turns out or if
>>>> I
>>>>>>> need bail money.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 7:06 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Chris.  Thanks for stopping by Annapolis.  We need to hear your Rhode
>>>>>>>> Rhodes story
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Welcome home!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Rod and Mary
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Oct 15, 2021, at 3:54 PM, Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> ?Bill Wickman and  I stopped by to see Stan. I would encourage any
>>>>>>>> owners to
>>>>>>>>> drop by maybe ?testify? to interested buyers. I think Stan could use
>>>> a
>>>>>>>> bit
>>>>>>>>> of company. Working a show like this is a challenge for someone half
>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> age.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 6
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:37:57 -0400
>>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson Cook
>>>>>> <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CADNTwiWF8vEFs0cJ2H_vmyPn_BbT6evCfU+wp8J4aJ6tFaBs0Q at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Welcome Wilson!  You are now a member of a group of passionate, devoted
>>>>>> (hmm sounds a bit like a cult- might be)  group of men and women who
>>>> take
>>>>>> great joy in sailing and helping others enjoy their Rhodes.
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
>>>>>>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some
>>>> index or
>>>>>>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 7
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:12:29 -0400
>>>>>> From: Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CACSd1j+k0qTKqABordYLNz45z2HHNUga9z94EiQa=SD73T63fg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -Mike Corley
>>>>>> s/v Ranger
>>>>>> Hampton Roads
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to
>>>> attend
>>>>>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to
>>>> help but
>>>>>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>>>> handle
>>>>>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>>>>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 8
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:14:36 -0400
>>>>>> From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>,  The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] I?m a Rhodie
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CAOo_Fjcj7xQMuEEmxES8CRsp0bHH0tB6d8_+87Txp+rS4XMs1Q at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Welcome to 'da list.  Let us know if you need any help or advice.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Stephen Staum*
>>>>>> *s/v Pinafore (my 3rd Rhodes 22)*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> *Needham, MA*
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 1:21 PM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>>>>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It?s official. My Rhodes 22 2002/2009(refurbished) is in my driveway!
>>>>>>> This mailing list seems like a tremendous resource. Is there some
>>>> index or
>>>>>>> search function to be able to look up previously asked questions?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 9
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:48:58 -0400
>>>>>> From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CADNTwiV2t-Ef4DcqnjiXmn6mc3pgF+sQu1nxSWJuho-mSwJdzQ at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> That is great Mike.  We all appreciate your helping Stan!
>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>> Enosis
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021 at 10:12 AM Michael Corley <michael.4591 at gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I will be there Sunday and Monday and help haul things back to Edenton.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -Mike Corley
>>>>>>> s/v Ranger
>>>>>>> Hampton Roads
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2021 at 11:08 PM Chris Geankoplis <
>>>>>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Just wanted to put it out. If anyone isn?t tied up and is able to
>>>> attend
>>>>>>>> the boat show, might I suggest spending a few hours at the show and
>>>>>>> perhaps
>>>>>>>> some time with Stan. I think there was someone who was supposed to
>>>> help
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> didn?t show. Doing the show single handed at 95 is more than he can
>>>>>>> handle
>>>>>>>> by himself. I?ve got to return to Greece otherwise I?d do it myself.
>>>>>>>> Anyway, if you can spare a few hours Saturday or Sunday that would be
>>>>>>>> great.
>>>>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>>>>> ENOSIS
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 10
>>>>>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:11:05 +0000
>>>>>> From: "C. Robert Lester" <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <
>>>> BN9PR03MB61567E7B2DA124E065DBBFEDAEBA9 at BN9PR03MB6156.namprd03.prod.outlook.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Found it!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> https://www.catalinadirect.com/shop-by-boat/catalina-27/canvas-covers/biminis/bimini-genoa-track-cars/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks all for the feedback an pics.
>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Todd Tavares
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 4, 2021 8:46 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bimini Car attachment
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Bob,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm not sure what you are asking for.
>>>>>> A bimini car rides on the genoa track (usually).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As far as the traveller car, there have been several different styles
>>>> of traveller used over the years. Some are specific custom cars and others
>>>> are available commercially.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you are looking for the traveller car that rides on a 1" round bar,
>>>> original probably after 1984, it is available from rig rite.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rigrite.com%2FTravellers%2FNF_Travellers%2FRound%2520Bar%2520Travellers.php&amp;data=04%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7Ca5fd7dcf75fc4b6555e508d98734fdec%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637689484519658672%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=sKNpdcuORflc9uCgB2PgoSHMd9%2Fat1HFmajlMfbHo1A%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2021, 12:06 AM C. Robert Lester <
>>>> C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> Would some of you share a pic with me...I'm interested in what the
>>>>>>> bimini car on the traveler looks like.
>>>>>>> I'm currently trying to mate the parts I have together.
>>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>>> Bob
>>>>>>> ('84 ORION)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 11
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 07:57:46 -0400
>>>>>> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> Message-ID: <E09B1CB6-8F54-4FED-ADC1-D1841E6B752E at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>>>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>>>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 12
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 12:17:30 +0000
>>>>>> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
>>>>>> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Wilson
>>>>>> Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <
>>>> DM6PR05MB6985FAA050B2F85FC2E6F600C1BC9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>>> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next to
>>>> the chainplate. - rob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
>>>> Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>>>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>>>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 13
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:11:05 -0700
>>>>>> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> Message-ID: <E1mcSPx-000V1H-Cu at s152.servername.online>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ?or it might be on the port side.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Which side the tensioner get cleated to depends on how the blocks on
>>>> the back stays are configured.  Mine are set for port side cleaning, but
>>>> General Boats put cleats on both sides, just in case.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2021-10-18, at 08:17:30 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>>>> The cleat for the backstay adjustment is on the starboard side, next
>>>> to the
>>>>>>> chainplate. - rob
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 14
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:36:06 +0000
>>>>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>>>> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>>>>> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <
>>>> CH2PR02MB6920B2DEB50D42D434B525BE80BC9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi Wilson,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>>>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
>>>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
>>>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
>>>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
>>>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>>>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>>>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>>>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
>>>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>>>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>>>>> 2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up
>>>> Spring
>>>>>> 3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
>>>> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
>>>> horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.
>>>> Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
>>>> control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take
>>>> up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
>>>> in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
>>>> line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to
>>>> eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave
>>>> the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).
>>>> So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note,
>>>> the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
>>>> backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
>>>> Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade
>>>> associated with the genoa.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>> Windows
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>>>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>>>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 15
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:07:21 -0400
>>>>>> From: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> To: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>>>> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> Message-ID: <830884C5-A7FA-4F95-82DA-E07A302138A7 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yes I have the mast hoist. I can?t imagine it would be possible
>>>> certainly alone without it. I?m at work but I do have a vague memory of a
>>>> cleat over there that I thought was odd. Now I know.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is a great resource. Thank you
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 2021, at 11:36 AM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?
>>>>>>> Hi Wilson,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>>>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without
>>>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have
>>>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast
>>>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes
>>>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>>>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>>>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>>>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.
>>>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>>>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>>>>>> Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
>>>>>>> 10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine
>>>> Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
>>>> horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.
>>>> Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
>>>> control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take
>>>> up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
>>>> in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
>>>> line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to
>>>> eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave
>>>> the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).
>>>> So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note,
>>>> the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
>>>> backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
>>>> Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade
>>>> associated with the genoa.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> <919EB46A00C54B95B151B34D35E652BB.jpg>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains
>>>> twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something
>>>> ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 16
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:19:34 -0500
>>>>>> From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CAMc-3fpPOvWvYRvkEdewDpXGfHo94czkHRr-3y4Nc_5NffyP4w at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Roger, great idea on the easily adjustable backstay adjuster!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wilson, there are a number of posts with checklists for mast raising /
>>>>>> lowering using the GB system that people have created over time.  Let us
>>>>>> know if you are looking for that and have any trouble finding examples.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jesse Shumaker
>>>>>> S/V Zephyr
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 10:36 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi Wilson,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast
>>>>>>> stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast
>>>> without
>>>>>>> this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you
>>>> have
>>>>>>> some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI
>>>> mast
>>>>>>> stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system
>>>> makes
>>>>>>> it a safe, foolproof operation.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay
>>>>>>> adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft
>>>>>>> corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay
>>>>>>> adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay
>>>> sag.
>>>>>>> Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it
>>>>>>> quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay
>>>> adjuster:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
>>>>>>> 2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up
>>>> Spring
>>>>>>> 3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips
>>>>>>> Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard
>>>> horned
>>>>>>> cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now,
>>>>>>> using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay
>>>> control
>>>>>>> line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up
>>>> the
>>>>>>> slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension
>>>> in the
>>>>>>> backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control
>>>> line to
>>>>>>> the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate
>>>>>>> forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the
>>>>>>> backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana
>>>> boat!).  So,
>>>>>>> I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.
>>>> Note, the
>>>>>>> Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the
>>>> backstay
>>>>>>> tension from any position in the cockpit.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling
>>>> Headsail
>>>>>>> Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated
>>>>>>> with the genoa.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> [cid:image002.jpg at 01D7C414.553B7930]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>> Windows
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>>> short
>>>>>>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>>> challenge was
>>>>>>> the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice.
>>>> Once it
>>>>>>> was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
>>>>>>> masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>>>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>>>> 
>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20211018/7f5499a9/attachment.jpg
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 17
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 13:25:23 -0700
>>>>>> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> Message-ID: <E1mcZCF-003QBi-IT at s152.servername.online>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I
>>>> assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to
>>>> its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention
>>>> of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect
>>>> on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the
>>>> forestay connection, unless...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>>> short
>>>>>>> learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>>> challenge was the
>>>>>>> headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it
>>>> was
>>>>>>> finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the
>>>> masthead and
>>>>>>> then forestay was looser.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>> there is
>>>>>>> no cleat?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 18
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:34:17 +0000
>>>>>> From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <
>>>> DM6PR05MB698545815394C03865A1E249C1BC9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Photos always help too. Take a photo (jpeg preferred) and send it to us
>>>> as an attachment.  Having the backstay adjustment slack will also give you
>>>> some leeway with the forestay.  Once it's connected, you can tighten the
>>>> backstays.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 4:25 PM
>>>>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've been puzzled all day about your problem with your forestay.  I
>>>> assume the 'challenge' you mention was getting the forestay connected to
>>>> its chainplate at the bow.  What had me scratching my head was your mention
>>>> of shortening the chains.  Shortening the chains shouldn't have any effect
>>>> on being able to get the top of the mast far enough forward to make the
>>>> forestay connection, unless...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> By any chance, do you have the chains connected to the mast crane?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2021-10-18, at 07:57:46 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a
>>>>>>> short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest
>>>>>>> challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening
>>>>>>> chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays
>>>>>>> something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but
>>>>>>> there is no cleat?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 19
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:24:40 -0500
>>>>>> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CANbEFCtCM051H5gy1GRH-HobkHn+ke+XnsV8C73EEmZdx=9PAg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>>> the
>>>>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>>>> member
>>>>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>>>> care
>>>>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 20
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:30:39 -0400
>>>>>> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CAB-twMP0BBZvGh7rJCWBUj_upHpqp-NNrT5uSohkip1oG8K=BA at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>>>>>> plates yourself.
>>>>>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
>>>> set.
>>>>>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
>>>> they
>>>>>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>>>>>> several years ago.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>>> the
>>>>>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>>>> member
>>>>>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>>>> care
>>>>>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 21
>>>>>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 20:48:01 -0500
>>>>>> From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>> <CANbEFCviibdgn9JPFBpMoUinzCNqh3KSYHQkJfZUPuLN9MwmDg at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Are there different strengths or if I get the same thickness it should
>>>>>> suffice?   Thanks Todd!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 8:30 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>>>>>>> plates yourself.
>>>>>>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
>>>> set.
>>>>>>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
>>>> they
>>>>>>> may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>>>>>>> several years ago.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not a
>>>>>>> member
>>>>>>>> of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping to take
>>>>>>> care
>>>>>>>> of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Message: 22
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 00:18:10 -0400
>>>>>> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>>>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>>>> Message-ID: <003b01d7c4a0$5405b2b0$fc111810$@ebsmed.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="utf-8"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If you make a pair, be sure that you specify that you need both sides
>>>> and that they are mirror images with respect to the edge bevels.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Todd Tavares
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 9:31 PM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rudder cheek plate
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Matt,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I would suggest buying some black UHMWPE and fabricating two new cheek
>>>> plates yourself.
>>>>>> You could also try to find a plastics production shop to fabricate a
>>>> set.
>>>>>> Try Norva plastics in Norfolk Virginia. If you send them the good one
>>>> they may make you two new ones. They've done work for me in KingStarboard
>>>> several years ago.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://norvaplastics.com/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Todd T.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021, 9:24 PM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I have a cracked port side rudder check plate and am wondering what is
>>>>>>> the best way to repair or replace it?  I have a 1990 Rhodes.  I am not
>>>>>>> a member of the GB parts club.  Any help would be appreciated.  Hoping
>>>>>>> to take care of this in the early off season ;)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>>> Hornblower 2
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Subject: Digest Footer
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Rhodes22-list mailing list
>>>>>> Rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>>>>> http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4389, Issue 1
>>>>>> **********************************************
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:39:50 -0400
>> From: Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAB-twMMmxMXw-m+uZYGaMskVwMWh1fHysnGhX3LUOgkN+vJ73g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Stan
>> Congratulations on the sale!!  ...and on the successful show.
>> 
>> Todd Tavares
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:55 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Another show, another milestone.
>>> 
>>> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man
>>> office so patience is requested.
>>> 
>>> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production
>>> end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show
>>> (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first
>>> day.  A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to
>>> multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own
>>> business to make that happen.   And equal thanks to long time owner
>>> Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in
>>> spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area,
>>> collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.  Thanks also to
>>> Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their
>>> world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old
>>> man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
>>> 
>>> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
>>> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month
>>> to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the
>>> second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere
>>> in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged
>>> ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
>>> 
>>> stan
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:14:46 -0500
>> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAEqJHY7L6pnRT4F0ZnSKiBjte4Mp8F58eSPz6wcJNFsrd4ey8g at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
>> 
>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 8
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:24:37 -0500
>> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAEqJHY4Md8VZRyDEnH0mw6CnC-9XSnxRKMARmGuMBvacQy8vgQ at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Fwiw
>> 
>> Hook crane up to stand up. Chains on forward stays, forestay back to mast.
>> Lower.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:38 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wilson,
>>> 
>>> I suspect that you are using the chains in the wrong place.
>>> 
>>> There has been more than one version of the mast lifting system, but I
>>> only know the details  of the one I have (circa 2016).  I'll just have to
>>> assume that yours is the same .
>>> 
>>> When you are going to raise the mast, the mast crane should start out
>>> tipped a little aft of vertical.  The aft lower shrouds are attached
>>> directly to the mast crane.  The upper shrouds are connected to their
>>> chainplates.  The forward lower shrouds should also be connected to their
>>> chainplates, but they won't reach.  This is where the chains are used to
>>> extend the forward lowers.
>>> 
>>> When you get to the point where the mast is vertical, the mast crane will
>>> be close to horizontal, but there should still be enough room to continue
>>> to rotate the winch handle until the back stays are pretty tight, and the
>>> forestay can be attached to its chainplate without too much struggle.
>>> 
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>> 
>>>>> On 2021-10-19, at 22:02:11 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
>>> short.
>>>> But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
>>> chainplate.
>>>> Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in
>>> third
>>>> link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was
>>> parallel to
>>>> deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn.
>>>> 
>>>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
>>> because
>>>> when it popped the headstay was looser.
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 9
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:53:25 -0500
>> From: Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
>> Message-ID: <2DAF0058-2B47-4A34-A291-FB9DE46E8734 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> 
>> Folks,
>> How long are the chains for the forward stays?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Fwiw
>>> 
>>> Hook crane up to stand up. Chains on forward stays, forestay back to mast.
>>> Lower.
>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:38 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Wilson,
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect that you are using the chains in the wrong place.
>>>> 
>>>> There has been more than one version of the mast lifting system, but I
>>>> only know the details  of the one I have (circa 2016).  I'll just have to
>>>> assume that yours is the same .
>>>> 
>>>> When you are going to raise the mast, the mast crane should start out
>>>> tipped a little aft of vertical.  The aft lower shrouds are attached
>>>> directly to the mast crane.  The upper shrouds are connected to their
>>>> chainplates.  The forward lower shrouds should also be connected to their
>>>> chainplates, but they won't reach.  This is where the chains are used to
>>>> extend the forward lowers.
>>>> 
>>>> When you get to the point where the mast is vertical, the mast crane will
>>>> be close to horizontal, but there should still be enough room to continue
>>>> to rotate the winch handle until the back stays are pretty tight, and the
>>>> forestay can be attached to its chainplate without too much struggle.
>>>> 
>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2021-10-19, at 22:02:11 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
>>>> short.
>>>>> But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
>>>> chainplate.
>>>>> Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in
>>>> third
>>>>> link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was
>>>> parallel to
>>>>> deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn.
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
>>>> because
>>>>> when it popped the headstay was looser.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 10
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:56:08 -0500
>> From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First Time
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CAEqJHY6LAf9VRUcXShnOGFMjLscgLyzeWVY1wGd_KmirHk=8Aw at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> I don't have them on hand to measure.
>> Iirc, and I'm sure someone will correct/confirm, two 1/4" OD snap carbineer
>> with 8 loops of 1/4" OD galvanized chain.
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 1:53 PM Jeffrey Camiel <forg3d at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Folks,
>>> How long are the chains for the forward stays?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:24 PM, Tom Van Heule <
>>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Fwiw
>>>> 
>>>> Hook crane up to stand up. Chains on forward stays, forestay back to
>>> mast.
>>>> Lower.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021, 9:38 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wilson,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I suspect that you are using the chains in the wrong place.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There has been more than one version of the mast lifting system, but I
>>>>> only know the details  of the one I have (circa 2016).  I'll just have
>>> to
>>>>> assume that yours is the same .
>>>>> 
>>>>> When you are going to raise the mast, the mast crane should start out
>>>>> tipped a little aft of vertical.  The aft lower shrouds are attached
>>>>> directly to the mast crane.  The upper shrouds are connected to their
>>>>> chainplates.  The forward lower shrouds should also be connected to
>>> their
>>>>> chainplates, but they won't reach.  This is where the chains are used to
>>>>> extend the forward lowers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> When you get to the point where the mast is vertical, the mast crane
>>> will
>>>>> be close to horizontal, but there should still be enough room to
>>> continue
>>>>> to rotate the winch handle until the back stays are pretty tight, and
>>> the
>>>>> forestay can be attached to its chainplate without too much struggle.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter Nyberg
>>>>> Coventry, CT
>>>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 2021-10-19, at 22:02:11 EDT, Wilson Cook wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The previous owner told me the chains on the list needed to be one link
>>>>> short.
>>>>>> But I could not for the life of me get the pin in the headstay
>>>>> chainplate.
>>>>>> Lowered it put in second link-closer but no cigar. Lowered again-put in
>>>>> third
>>>>>> link and was able to crank it down far enough. If crank handle was
>>>>> parallel to
>>>>>> deck instead perpendicular would have had another turn.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As I mentioned earlier I think something was binding at the masthead
>>>>> because
>>>>>> when it popped the headstay was looser.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 11
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:05:02 -0400
>> From: Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] boat show report
>> Message-ID: <47140BD9-34B3-4425-8ACE-62ACD71B9918 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> 
>> Ditto from me ? great news about a successful boat show for GB and Stan!
>> 
>> Frank Goldsmith
>> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
>> Fairview, NC
>> Lake Keowee, SC
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2021, at 1:39 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Stan
>>> Congratulations on the sale!!  ...and on the successful show.
>>> 
>>> Todd Tavares
>>> 
>>>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 11:55 AM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Another show, another milestone.
>>>> 
>>>> Back at the grind the backed up emails have taken over the one man
>>>> office so patience is requested.
>>>> 
>>>> With death, strokes and other ailments taking a toll on the production
>>>> end, Rhodes wannabes have reached record highs; the one boat at the show
>>>> (compared to the usual 4) was sold at the opening bell of the first
>>>> day.  A million thanks for getting that one boat to the show goes to
>>>> multi Rhodes owner John McLaughlin who gave up time from his own
>>>> business to make that happen.   And equal thanks to long time owner
>>>> Michael Corley who managed retrieving the show boat from the show in
>>>> spite of the wood ramp the show had built to our exhibit area,
>>>> collapsing under the weight of superior built Rhodes.  Thanks also to
>>>> Bill Wickman and Chris Geankoplis who came to tell prospects of their
>>>> world travels in their Rhodes plus steadied the wobbly legs of the old
>>>> man of the sea whenever I tried walking on land.
>>>> 
>>>> Can't send an email to the list without including a GB commercial:
>>>> The Rhodes Dry Marina is open for reservations for periods of one month
>>>> to one year terms for those appreciating sailing the Albemarle; the
>>>> second largest estuary in the country that lets you sail off to anywhere
>>>> in the world yet has no tide or current. Your boat remains fully rigged
>>>> ready to sail any day, any hour and you are under way in minutes.
>>>> 
>>>> stan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 12
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:11:06 -0400
>> From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
>> Message-ID: <002e01d7c5e6$3c659840$b530c8c0$@ebsmed.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> Hey Joe,
>> 
>> Maybe you could send one to Stan.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> I'd rather be sailing :~)
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe
>> Dempsey
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 1:00 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODES WEAR
>> 
>> Hey Rhodies! If you haven't yet ordered your hats and/or shirts, because of
>> the success of these caps among List members, I ordered extras and will have
>> some  remaining. The hats look great, show your loyalty to the Rhodes 22 and
>> order now to get your hat in just a week, first come, first served! I'll
>> order more when these are gone.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ------------------------------
>> 
>> Message: 13
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:14:22 +0000
>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>> Message-ID:
>>   <CH2PR02MB692032FC91A6CC7318F6B47180BE9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
>> 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>> 
>> Tom,
>> 
>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
>> 
>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are going to have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with their 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won?t have to worry about osmotic blisters!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>> 
>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> 
>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
>> 
>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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>> Message: 14
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:24:31 +0000
>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List
>>   <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> Message-ID:
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>> Hi Wilson,
>> 
>> I?ve been thinking about what might have ?popped? at the masthead and then the forestay was looser.  There is a toggle joint where the forestay attaches to the masthead casting.  When you are trailering the boat or setting the mast up to be stepped, this toggle joint can get folded back onto itself, thus using up about 1-1/2? of forestay.  I believe your toggle joint got stuck in the folded position until quite a bit of tension was applied to the forestay and then it straightened itself out with a loud ?pop?.  Checking the position of the toggle joint is something to add to your checklist.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
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>> 
>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> 
>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed  Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>> 
>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Message: 15
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 12:24:55 -0700
>> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Email List Usage Guidelines Reminder
>> Message-ID: <E1mdHCp-007Xq8-W2 at s152.servername.online>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
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>> Here are two things that make the archives less useful: 
>>   1) off topic subject lines
>>   2) extraneous quoted content that is not pertinent to the topic at hand.
>> 
>> It's especially important to keep these things in mind when a thread is started or extended by a reply to a daily digest, as opposed to an individual post.  The daily digest emails can be pretty big,  will usually have lots and lots of text that has no relevance to the current discussion, and their subject lines are never on topic.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> --Peter
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>> Message: 16
>> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:39:25 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
>> To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> Message-ID: <1363538359.2680646.1634758765597 at mail.yahoo.com>
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>> 
>> I agree with Rodger also check backstays? as mast is raised up had one bind up
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> To: Wilson Cook <reefnsail123 at yahoo.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 3:24 pm
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> 
>> Hi Wilson,
>> 
>> I?ve been thinking about what might have ?popped? at the masthead and then the forestay was looser.? There is a toggle joint where the forestay attaches to the masthead casting.? When you are trailering the boat or setting the mast up to be stepped, this toggle joint can get folded back onto itself, thus using up about 1-1/2? of forestay.? I believe your toggle joint got stuck in the folded position until quite a bit of tension was applied to the forestay and then it straightened itself out with a loud ?pop?.? Checking the position of the toggle joint is something to add to your checklist.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>> 
>> From: Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 7:57 AM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] First time
>> 
>> So I erected my mast for the first time yesterday. I hope there is a short learning curve. Took a while but I was single handed? Biggest challenge was the headstay. Took everything I had after shortening chains twice. Once it was finally up and I was tensioning backstays something ?popped? at the masthead and then forestay was looser.
>> 
>> Related question- there is a block and tackle across the backstays but there is no cleat?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sat Oct 23 08:27:30 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 12:27:30 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement
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OK Peter,

Here is the experiment we discussed including the original photo attachment.  It will be interesting to see where Pipermail files this in the archives.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

__________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Hi Wilson,

It helps to make a checklist and follow it.  Do you have the GBI mast stepping system?  I am not strong enough to step/unstep the mast without this mechanical aid.  Stepping/unstopping the mast is faster if you have some helpers.  You save the rigging/unrigging time to setup the GBI mast stepping system.  But, if you are alone, the GBI mast stepping system makes it a safe, foolproof operation.

The attached picture shows the OEM standard cleat for the backstay adjuster.  This cleat is located on the transom in the starboard aft corner.  Also shown in the picture is my improved ?Go Faster? backstay adjuster.  The backstay tension is the primary way to adjust forestay sag.  Forestay sag affects genoa sailshape.  You want to be able to adjust it quickly and reproducibly.  Here are the components of my backstay adjuster:


  1.  Harken 146  Single Big Bullet Block With Shackle
  2.  Harken 144 Swivel Base With 150 Cam-Matic Cam Cleat & Stand-Up Spring
  3.  10-24UNC X 1-1/2 Inch 18/8 Stainless Steel Flat Head Phillips Machine Screws, Fenders Washers, & Nylock Nuts ? 4 Reqd

Instead of cleating the backstay adjuster off on the OEM standard horned cleat on the transom, rig it thru the Harken block and cam cleat.  Now, using a black magic marker, mark off every 6 inches on the backstay control line starting from when the backstay adjuster just starts to take up the slack in the forestay.  Now, you can reproducibly adjust the tension in the backstay with just a flick of the wrist and  a pull on the control line to the appropriate mark.  Note, the required backstay tension to eliminate forestay sag in heavy air is quite high.  I don?t like to leave the backstay tension that high when I leave the boat (think banana boat!).  So, I slack off the backstay adjuster when I?m not actually sailing.  Note, the Harken swivel base enables the helmsman to reach and adjust the backstay tension from any position in the cockpit.

This discussion actually belongs in the ?Go Faster? &/or ?Furling Headsail Replacement? threads because it is another go faster upgrade associated with the genoa.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 3:32 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement

Hi Michael,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has had a Harken Unit 0 roller furler since 1993.  If you are going to do this upgrade, get a roller furler that has the following features:


  1.  An aerodynamically shaped headfoil with twin luff grooves.
  2.  Independent upper and lower swivels
  3.  A low profile lower swivel assembly that doesn?t use up a lot of headsail luff length
  4.  Extensive use of Torlon ball &/or roller bearings throughout
  5.  An enclosed furling drum with a good fairlead to prevent furling control line snarls
  6.  Either an extruded, 1-piece, flexible, polymer headfoil or an extruded aluminum headfoil with individual, replaceable sections in case you damage one

Besides, the Harken roller furlers, there are many other quality units on the market that fulfill all these requirements.  I replaced my headstay as part of this project.  The Harken unit has been completely bulletproof and still spins as easily as a bicycle tire!  All the maintenance that?s required is an annual freshwater rinse for the bearings and the weekly anti spider flush on the furling drum.  Why do spiders like to build nests inside the furling drum?

Once you?ve installed the upgraded roller furler, you?re going to need a new headsail to take advantage of it.  Your new headsail should be:


  1.  Made of a composite material vs. dacron.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium?s 150% genoa is made of Bainbridge?s Cruise-Lam composite sailcloth.  Cruise-Lam sailcloth is a 5 layer composite consisting of outer skins of dacron for abrasion, UV, and flogging resistance, Kevlar scrims (think mesh), and an inner core of mylar.  It?s been completely bulletproof and the sail shape still looks great!
  2.  Constructed with Bi-Radial or Tri-Radial panel layout.  S/V Dynamic Equiibrium?s 150% genoa is made with Bi-Radial panel layout.  But, with improvements in CAD assisted panel layout in the time since I purchased mine, I would probably opt for a Tri-Radial panel layout if I purchased it today.
  3.  Either have UV protective acrylic panels ( i.e. Sunbrella) sewn into the foot and leach or use a UV protective Sunbrella sleeve that is hauled up the furled headsail using an extra halyard when you are not using it.  Since S/V Dynamic Equilibrium is rigged to fly a tri-radial spinnaker and has the spare halyard, my boat has the protective sleeve.  I think the protective sleeve does a better job of protecting the head of the furled sail and the upper swivel assembly from the elements.  The genoa cover is installed as part of getting the boat ready to leave at the dock similar to snapping on the mainsail cover and is removed and stowed as part of the process of getting the boat ready to get underway.  S/V Dynamic Equilibrium also has a standard mainsail.  I choose the protective sleeve vs. the sewn-in panels to give the headsail better light air performance.  The sewn-in panels are heavy and can prevent the genoa from properly inflating in light air.
  4.  Has an appropriately sized luff tape that fits the grooves in your headsail foil
  5.  Has tensioning cords sewn into the foot and leach for fine adjustments of sail shape in the lower 1/3 of the sail and minimizing leech flutter
  6.  Has at least 3 windows sewn in up and down about 12 inches aft of the luff with windward/leeward tell tails sewn in
  7.  Has at least 3 leech tell tails sewn in up and down the sail
  8.  Has a foam luff pad and a sail shape that enables the upper and lower swivels to take up the extra draft as the sail is furled.  This feature is worthless unless your roller furler has upper and lower independent swivels.  But, it will dramatically increase the usable dynamic range of your roller furler.  In my opinion, without this feature, this project isn?t worth doing.

It?s an expensive project.  But, speed costs money.  How fast can you afford to go?  Yes, I know I?m out of control!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2021 12:21 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling headsail replacement

The recent threads regarding mainsails and racing performance issues prompts me to ask a question that?s been on my mind.

My boat has the factory furler, which requires me to drop the mast to remove the headsail.  I?d like the option of being able to change out my 130 for a working jib when appropriate for higher wind race days.

I?ve been contemplating replacing my furler with a CDI or Harken, but I believe I will need an additional halyard for that and my masthead doesn?t have an extra sheave. Has anyone done that replacement and could you share what your experience was?

Thanks,

Michael McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)

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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Sat Oct 23 13:12:58 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2021 13:12:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
Message-ID: <004501d7c9ad$c90e4600$5b2ad200$@hughes.net>

I've searched the Archives and was unable to find a discussion on the
spreader dimensions and parts. I believe they are 1" O.D. and therefore
should be 7/8" I.D. but am not sure. Can anyone verify. I need a spreader
tip. Is this a standard or do I have to go to Edenton? Rig-Rite has a
selection of tips but don't know they will fit the Rhodes spreader.


From joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon Oct 25 11:39:43 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 11:39:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
Message-ID: <000001d7c9b6$8f7d8dc0$ae78a940$@hughes.net>

I've searched the Archives and was unable to find a discussion on the
spreader dimensions and parts. I believe they are 1" O.D. and therefore
should be 7/8" I.D. but am not sure. Can anyone verify. I need a spreader
tip. Is this a standard or do I have to go to Edenton? Rig-Rite has a
selection of tips but don't know they will fit the Rhodes spreader.


From joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon Oct 25 12:37:53 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 12:37:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
Message-ID: <006101d7c9be$adf78cd0$09e6a670$@hughes.net>

Thanks to all who responded. I ended up using 4200 to mount the base in the
lowest part of the lazarette. Note: the cockpit drain hose is located so
that there is not enough clearance between the hose and bulkhead so I had to
offset just enough so I can still remove the pump from the base. Works fine.
For those who have a dry lazarette: Great, wish I did, but I don't. If I
could find the source I would have corrected it. Hope springs eternal. I
don't get much, but more than I want to sponge out each time I go out. I
have replaced both drains in the cockpit seat troughs as well as the hoses
below. I have a shelf in the bottom of the lazarette which I store my anchor
rode and some other items. I was getting enough water to wet the rode. The
pump keeps the water down to about half an inch. 


From sea20 at verizon.net  Mon Oct 25 14:29:13 2021
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:29:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
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References: <004501d7c9ad$c90e4600$5b2ad200$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <AC856FA1-03D3-47E2-9411-E9A456BA264F@verizon.net>

I helped a friend replace his that he got from Catalina. Took a little modification but worked fine.
Scott Andrews

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 25, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I've searched the Archives and was unable to find a discussion on the
> spreader dimensions and parts. I believe they are 1" O.D. and therefore
> should be 7/8" I.D. but am not sure. Can anyone verify. I need a spreader
> tip. Is this a standard or do I have to go to Edenton? Rig-Rite has a
> selection of tips but don't know they will fit the Rhodes spreader.
> 


From tvpolise at aol.com  Mon Oct 25 17:25:33 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:25:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader dimensions
References: <EA3BB08C-4F1D-44DB-AA5F-D859975D10BE.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <EA3BB08C-4F1D-44DB-AA5F-D859975D10BE@aol.com>

I just took mine off this weekend
OD nominal 1?, ID a little less than 7/8? but probably nominal 7/8?

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From tvpolise at aol.com  Mon Oct 25 17:41:12 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:41:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader dimensions
References: <0EF0FE72-79DF-45B4-A6BD-26258CF7F365.ref@aol.com>
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Mast fitting 1? ID for spreader

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From joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon Oct 25 17:50:20 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 17:50:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader dimensions
In-Reply-To: <EA3BB08C-4F1D-44DB-AA5F-D859975D10BE@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1ocodmdm380l22g2mnafgrfr.1635198620137@hughes.net>

Good stuff! It looks like your photo is of the board end. Do you have photo of Outboard. What secures the main/upper shroud to the spreader?
Joe Dempsey
SV Respite
Deltaville,VA

joedempsey at hughes.net


? Original Message ?
From: tvpolise at aol.com
Sent: October 25, 2021 5:25 PM
To: joedempsey at hughes.net; rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Spreader dimensions

I just took mine off this weekend
OD nominal 1?, ID a little less than 7/8? but probably nominal 7/8?




From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Oct 25 17:50:32 2021
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 14:50:32 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
Message-ID: <E1mf7rU-00E7dY-KZ@s152.servername.online>

Joe,

It's pretty likely that the spreader came from Dwyer (dwyermast.com).  Their 1" OD round tubing used for spreaders has a wall thickness of .065", so ID would a tiny bit less than 7/8".  Unfortunately, their online catalog has spreaders with tips, but not just the tips (that I could find).  You could try giving them a call...

--Peter

> On 2021-10-23, at 13:12:58 EDT, Joe Dempsey wrote:
>
> I've searched the Archives and was unable to find a discussion on the spreader 
> dimensions and parts. I believe they are 1" O.D. and therefore should be 7/8" 
> I.D. but am not sure. Can anyone verify. I need a spreader tip. Is this a 
> standard or do I have to go to Edenton? Rig-Rite has a selection of tips but 
> don't know they will fit the Rhodes spreader. 
> 
> 


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 19:40:59 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:40:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
In-Reply-To: <E1mf7rU-00E7dY-KZ@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1mf7rU-00E7dY-KZ@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMPxMFSKBHUUoB+yoD7kvwg2qURTZ5G_JpirVKm61WYhWg@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

These are definitely an off the shelf product. They should be available
from Rigrite or Dwyer mast. The OD of the spreader end cap that fits into
the spreader is 7/8th of an inch.

Todd T.



On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 5:51 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> It's pretty likely that the spreader came from Dwyer (dwyermast.com).
> Their 1" OD round tubing used for spreaders has a wall thickness of .065",
> so ID would a tiny bit less than 7/8".  Unfortunately, their online catalog
> has spreaders with tips, but not just the tips (that I could find).  You
> could try giving them a call...
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2021-10-23, at 13:12:58 EDT, Joe Dempsey wrote:
> >
> > I've searched the Archives and was unable to find a discussion on the
> spreader
> > dimensions and parts. I believe they are 1" O.D. and therefore should be
> 7/8"
> > I.D. but am not sure. Can anyone verify. I need a spreader tip. Is this
> a
> > standard or do I have to go to Edenton? Rig-Rite has a selection of tips
> but
> > don't know they will fit the Rhodes spreader.
> >
> >
>
>
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 19:44:19 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:44:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
In-Reply-To: <004501d7c9ad$c90e4600$5b2ad200$@hughes.net>
References: <004501d7c9ad$c90e4600$5b2ad200$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMP9EOLibRPDKro1+1S5dr1URN37TM+Nfc3sJ1zaz6eQ2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Second pic.



On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 10:37 AM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

> I've searched the Archives and was unable to find a discussion on the
> spreader dimensions and parts. I believe they are 1" O.D. and therefore
> should be 7/8" I.D. but am not sure. Can anyone verify. I need a spreader
> tip. Is this a standard or do I have to go to Edenton? Rig-Rite has a
> selection of tips but don't know they will fit the Rhodes spreader.
>
>
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 19:48:53 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:48:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
In-Reply-To: <004501d7c9ad$c90e4600$5b2ad200$@hughes.net>
References: <004501d7c9ad$c90e4600$5b2ad200$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMMwMOx+NQ7g8LP10b-4RjvYQrgFSp_S9e5TZ5JwQ6_rYg@mail.gmail.com>

More pics.

Todd T.

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 10:37 AM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

> I've searched the Archives and was unable to find a discussion on the
> spreader dimensions and parts. I believe they are 1" O.D. and therefore
> should be 7/8" I.D. but am not sure. Can anyone verify. I need a spreader
> tip. Is this a standard or do I have to go to Edenton? Rig-Rite has a
> selection of tips but don't know they will fit the Rhodes spreader.
>
>
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 20:23:14 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 20:23:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
In-Reply-To: <004501d7c9ad$c90e4600$5b2ad200$@hughes.net>
References: <004501d7c9ad$c90e4600$5b2ad200$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMPFBCpv+Puvdn2VxMSkzV3O7NO33cpfSZZ6bF68ZwHz7w@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

If you can't find it online or Stan won't sell you one, email me off list.
I have a few spares.

Todd Tavates

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 10:37 AM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

> I've searched the Archives and was unable to find a discussion on the
> spreader dimensions and parts. I believe they are 1" O.D. and therefore
> should be 7/8" I.D. but am not sure. Can anyone verify. I need a spreader
> tip. Is this a standard or do I have to go to Edenton? Rig-Rite has a
> selection of tips but don't know they will fit the Rhodes spreader.
>
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 25 20:24:29 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 20:24:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreaders
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMPFBCpv+Puvdn2VxMSkzV3O7NO33cpfSZZ6bF68ZwHz7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <004501d7c9ad$c90e4600$5b2ad200$@hughes.net>
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Message-ID: <CAB-twMOoLUpsJJGGz2zH-H04X95ZE+dP9FSP2Ts+z8TOL3m=mQ@mail.gmail.com>

I can't even spell my name right...

Todd Tavares
tavares0947 at gmail.com

On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 8:23 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Joe,
>
> If you can't find it online or Stan won't sell you one, email me off list.
> I have a few spares.
>
> Todd Tavates
>
> On Mon, Oct 25, 2021, 10:37 AM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
>
>> I've searched the Archives and was unable to find a discussion on the
>> spreader dimensions and parts. I believe they are 1" O.D. and therefore
>> should be 7/8" I.D. but am not sure. Can anyone verify. I need a spreader
>> tip. Is this a standard or do I have to go to Edenton? Rig-Rite has a
>> selection of tips but don't know they will fit the Rhodes spreader.
>>
>>

From tvpolise at aol.com  Mon Oct 25 21:33:05 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 21:33:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader dimensions
In-Reply-To: <1ocodmdm380l22g2mnafgrfr.1635198620137@hughes.net>
References: <1ocodmdm380l22g2mnafgrfr.1635198620137@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <136BB47A-AD13-4DE7-91FA-E103E5372AA5@aol.com>

Sorry, I left boat. Won?t be back till Friday.  It?s a black fitting with 2 screws that pull a cap into fitting 

> On Oct 25, 2021, at 5:50 PM, Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Good stuff! It looks like your photo is of the board end. Do you have photo of Outboard. What secures the main/upper shroud to the spreader?
> Joe Dempsey
> SV Respite
> Deltaville,VA
> 
> joedempsey at hughes.net
> 
> 
>   Original Message  
> From: tvpolise at aol.com
> Sent: October 25, 2021 5:25 PM
> To: joedempsey at hughes.net; rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Spreader dimensions
> 
> I just took mine off this weekend
> OD nominal 1?, ID a little less than 7/8? but probably nominal 7/8?
> 
> 
> 


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Mon Oct 25 22:48:36 2021
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 22:48:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <006101d7c9be$adf78cd0$09e6a670$@hughes.net>
References: <006101d7c9be$adf78cd0$09e6a670$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <039a01d7ca13$fadfcf80$f09f6e80$@ca>

Joe:

The mystery of how water was getting into my lazarette left me stumped for
years - nearly drove me mad. However this year I think I found the problem.
The seats have small drain holes where water runs through to the cockpit
sole. I think what is happening is that with heavy rain, however, the
surface tension of the water increases and a stream of water runs back on
the bottom of the seat behind the bulkhead and then drops off into the
lazarette. I can't be certain as I didn't have time to hang paper towel in
strategic locations before I had to haul the boat for the winter. I might
still be wrong about this but it would be an easy fix to put a bead of
silicone across the bottom of the seat before the lazarette bulkhead to
break the surface tension. Just a thought.

Graham

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Joe Dempsey
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2021 12:38 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness

Thanks to all who responded. I ended up using 4200 to mount the base in the
lowest part of the lazarette. Note: the cockpit drain hose is located so
that there is not enough clearance between the hose and bulkhead so I had to
offset just enough so I can still remove the pump from the base. Works fine.
For those who have a dry lazarette: Great, wish I did, but I don't. If I
could find the source I would have corrected it. Hope springs eternal. I
don't get much, but more than I want to sponge out each time I go out. I
have replaced both drains in the cockpit seat troughs as well as the hoses
below. I have a shelf in the bottom of the lazarette which I store my anchor
rode and some other items. I was getting enough water to wet the rode. The
pump keeps the water down to about half an inch. 


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 10:37:42 2021
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:37:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <006101d7c9be$adf78cd0$09e6a670$@hughes.net>
References: <006101d7c9be$adf78cd0$09e6a670$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <CABkv36bu0kFowsLdYDBi1fbZJ-CN_p6ZTLRa71VZeRBFOgETfA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Joe,

I hope you view the bilge pump as merely a stop-gap measure until you find
the leak.  Your lazarette should always be bone dry.  If the water is not
coming from a drain hose clog or leak, you have a serious structural
problem.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 12:38 PM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

> Thanks to all who responded. I ended up using 4200 to mount the base in the
> lowest part of the lazarette. Note: the cockpit drain hose is located so
> that there is not enough clearance between the hose and bulkhead so I had
> to
> offset just enough so I can still remove the pump from the base. Works
> fine.
> For those who have a dry lazarette: Great, wish I did, but I don't. If I
> could find the source I would have corrected it. Hope springs eternal. I
> don't get much, but more than I want to sponge out each time I go out. I
> have replaced both drains in the cockpit seat troughs as well as the hoses
> below. I have a shelf in the bottom of the lazarette which I store my
> anchor
> rode and some other items. I was getting enough water to wet the rode. The
> pump keeps the water down to about half an inch.
>
>

From retro53 at msn.com  Tue Oct 26 15:47:50 2021
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:47:50 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36bu0kFowsLdYDBi1fbZJ-CN_p6ZTLRa71VZeRBFOgETfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <006101d7c9be$adf78cd0$09e6a670$@hughes.net>
 <CABkv36bu0kFowsLdYDBi1fbZJ-CN_p6ZTLRa71VZeRBFOgETfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR03MB52454717A861410E8E00F31FBD849@MN2PR03MB5245.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Joe,

I too had a very wet lazarette, and installed a bilge pump there as a precaution. Now, I can report the bilge and lazarette are dry. The main problem turned out to be a crack in front of the centerboard trunk (probably caused by a hard grounding during it's past). When the boat was hauled this winter and spring, using pressure treated wood, fiberglass matting and resin, I reinforced the rib and stringers in that area.

I also suspected that the cockpit drains became overwhelmed by intense rains (seems like they are a lot more frequent these days), and the water was making its way inside by flowing underneath the lazarette hatch cover. This was confirmed by stains left by the water on the rim of the hatch, as well as hanging some paper towels there. To combat this, I installed a product called MD Auto & Marine Rubber Weatherseal around the lip of the hatch.

In addition, a leaky port was sealed.

So far, so good this year. Things are nice and dry.

Good luck with your boat!

John Keyser


________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2021 10:37 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness

Hi Joe,

I hope you view the bilge pump as merely a stop-gap measure until you find
the leak.  Your lazarette should always be bone dry.  If the water is not
coming from a drain hose clog or leak, you have a serious structural
problem.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Mon, Oct 25, 2021 at 12:38 PM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

> Thanks to all who responded. I ended up using 4200 to mount the base in the
> lowest part of the lazarette. Note: the cockpit drain hose is located so
> that there is not enough clearance between the hose and bulkhead so I had
> to
> offset just enough so I can still remove the pump from the base. Works
> fine.
> For those who have a dry lazarette: Great, wish I did, but I don't. If I
> could find the source I would have corrected it. Hope springs eternal. I
> don't get much, but more than I want to sponge out each time I go out. I
> have replaced both drains in the cockpit seat troughs as well as the hoses
> below. I have a shelf in the bottom of the lazarette which I store my
> anchor
> rode and some other items. I was getting enough water to wet the rode. The
> pump keeps the water down to about half an inch.
>
>

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Oct 28 17:34:26 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:34:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
Message-ID: <005301d7cc43$9aba1340$d02e39c0$@hughes.net>

I don't believe it's structural because it'd dry most of the time. It's not
from "railing" the gunnel because it's fresh water. Definitely coming from
the cockpit area. I believe overflow from heavy rains which we get here on
the Chesapeake in Spring, late Summer and NOW. Second heavy rain in a week.
It's what you got in New England earlier this week. Thanks for the input. I
like the idea of the "gasket" around the hatch cover.  John, did you apply
it to the cover or to the rim? I've actually got some automotive gasket tape
that I could try.  


From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 28 18:09:03 2021
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 18:09:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <005301d7cc43$9aba1340$d02e39c0$@hughes.net>
References: <005301d7cc43$9aba1340$d02e39c0$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMOoguQF_9yKW3cuSXQDDuE_UHTAk4YYrNNTJ1AzAEufNQ@mail.gmail.com>

You did say you put in larger cockpit seat drains?

Todd T

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021, 5:34 PM Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

> I don't believe it's structural because it'd dry most of the time. It's not
> from "railing" the gunnel because it's fresh water. Definitely coming from
> the cockpit area. I believe overflow from heavy rains which we get here on
> the Chesapeake in Spring, late Summer and NOW. Second heavy rain in a week.
> It's what you got in New England earlier this week. Thanks for the input. I
> like the idea of the "gasket" around the hatch cover.  John, did you apply
> it to the cover or to the rim? I've actually got some automotive gasket
> tape
> that I could try.
>
>

From retro53 at msn.com  Thu Oct 28 20:05:28 2021
From: retro53 at msn.com (John Keyser)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 00:05:28 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <005301d7cc43$9aba1340$d02e39c0$@hughes.net>
References: <005301d7cc43$9aba1340$d02e39c0$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <MN2PR03MB52451184DD37E828C13D5C54BD879@MN2PR03MB5245.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Joe,
The gasket had adhesive on one side. Just applied it to the rim. Has the additional benefit of softening the blow if someone drops the hatch cover!

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Joe Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:34 PM
To: Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness

I don't believe it's structural because it'd dry most of the time. It's not
from "railing" the gunnel because it's fresh water. Definitely coming from
the cockpit area. I believe overflow from heavy rains which we get here on
the Chesapeake in Spring, late Summer and NOW. Second heavy rain in a week.
It's what you got in New England earlier this week. Thanks for the input. I
like the idea of the "gasket" around the hatch cover.  John, did you apply
it to the cover or to the rim? I've actually got some automotive gasket tape
that I could try.


From joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Oct 29 11:34:32 2021
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 11:34:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Spreader Dimensions
Message-ID: <008b01d7ccda$90ce1240$b26a36c0$@hughes.net>

I found the following dimensions:  1?  OD, 7/8? ID, Galvanized Aluminum
tubing 35-1/2? long. This dimension does not include a tip which could add
another ?? to 1?. 


From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 15:45:00 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 15:45:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR03MB52451184DD37E828C13D5C54BD879@MN2PR03MB5245.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
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Old boat had water in the lazarette all the time.  New boat has always been
dry.  It has weatherstripping inside the hatch cover that aligns with the
rounded hatch cover supports that are part of the cockpit seat.  That
doesn't sound very clear.  Let me know if you want me to take some pictures.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA

On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 8:05 PM John Keyser <retro53 at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> The gasket had adhesive on one side. Just applied it to the rim. Has the
> additional benefit of softening the blow if someone drops the hatch cover!
>
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Joe
> Dempsey <joedempsey at hughes.net>
> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 5:34 PM
> To: Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hull Thickness
>
> I don't believe it's structural because it'd dry most of the time. It's not
> from "railing" the gunnel because it's fresh water. Definitely coming from
> the cockpit area. I believe overflow from heavy rains which we get here on
> the Chesapeake in Spring, late Summer and NOW. Second heavy rain in a week.
> It's what you got in New England earlier this week. Thanks for the input. I
> like the idea of the "gasket" around the hatch cover.  John, did you apply
> it to the cover or to the rim? I've actually got some automotive gasket
> tape
> that I could try.
>
>

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 16:03:51 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2021 16:03:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
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Thanks Roger!  The first year I had my boat I used my traveler a lot based
on what I'd read on how to use travelers.  After that I got lazy and rarely
unravelled it.  Stan is sending me the never-ending traveler and I'm
anxious to start using it to dump the main.  Seems like a good idea.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA

On Thu, Oct 14, 2021 at 9:14 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Lee,
>
> I have 2 comments about your photo.
>
>
>   1.  You have obviously got the helm balanced as the boat is steering
> herself!
>   2.  The control lines for your traveler should not be coiled up around
> the traveler bar whenever you are flying the mainsail.  The picture
> illustrates one way to stow them;  but, they are not ready to use.  If you
> need to quickly dump the mainsail, you have no choice but to use the
> mainsheet.
>
> I don?t know what point of sail you were on.  But, if it was close hauled
> or a close reach, you would find the boat would go faster if you pulled the
> traveler to windward and then adjusted the mainsheet such that the aft end
> of the boom was just to leeward of the centerline.  Given the rise on the
> boom, it doesn?t look like your boat has a boom vang or you had it slacked
> off.  If you have a boom vang, it needed to be trimmed down tight until you
> set the traveler and mainsheet.  Then, you would slowly slack off the boom
> vang until you had the desired amount of twist in the upper mainsail.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 7:29 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
>
> Hi Lee,
>
> It all depends if your genoa size is > 100% .  If the genoa is greater
> than 100%; then, it must go outside of the spreader.  This means the sheets
> run outside of the lifelines.  The maximum you can trim the sail is such
> that the windward side of the sail is just off the tip of the spreader.
> You don?t want to trim it in any tighter because the spreader tip will
> damage the sail in pretty short order.  That?s where the term ?close
> hauled? come from ? you have hauled or trimmed the sail as close to the
> spreader tip as you dare.
>
> If the genoa is < 100%; then you would switch to the inboard genoa tracks
> that run along the side decks.  Now the foresail can be trimmed in tighter,
> with the limit usually being rubbing up against the forward lower sidestay.
>
> On a beat or a close reach, the genoa usually operates in cleaner, faster
> air vs the mainsail.  Since the thrust generated by a sail goes up as the
> [wind speed]^2, think of your genoa as the primary engine.  That?s why your
> boat went a little faster when you put out more genoa.  Despite the name,
> the mainsail?s primary function is to balance the sailplan so the helm is
> close to neutral or even with a little lee helm.
>
> The Rhodes 22 is unusual among production boats in that it is possible to
> adjust the feel of the helm from lee to neutral to weather.  Most boats
> have built-in weather helm because it is thought to be safer and you are
> stuck with it.
>
> Because of the slot effect, it is not desirable to run the genoa and the
> mainsail at the same angle of attack vs the wind.  In general, you want to
> establish your course 1st, then trim the genoa, and finally the mainsail.
> The optimum mainsail trim will include slot effect interactions from the
> genoa.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> ASM T767
>
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> From: Lee Kuhn<mailto:lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2021 5:54 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Go Faster
>
> Roger,
>
> See attached.  When sailing on a close reach I typically balance the main
> and Genoa so the helm is pretty neutral, but I've found that I can
> sometimes go faster if I put out more Genoa which gives the boat lee helm.
> Does that make sense?
>
> On boats other than the Rhodes, can't you sail closest to the wind when
> your sheets are pulled as tight as possible?  To have the angle of attack
> hit both sails evenly on our boats, wouldn't you need to run the Genoa
> sheets between the mast and inside shroud?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Lee
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 2:05 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > The Rhodes 22 sails fastest and points highest if it is sailed with as
> > little heel as possible and a slightly bow down fore/aft trim.
> >
> > The shape of the wetted surface of the hull becomes very asymmetric as
> the
> > angle of heel increases.  Without going into the physics, this asymmetry
> > tends to increase weather helm.  It also adds lots more drag with
> > relatively little increase in lift to windward.  So, the hot setup is to
> > sail as upright as possible.  Note, because of the tendency to increase
> > weather helm as the boat heels over, it is desirable to have as much sail
> > area as possible in the genoa.  This strategy keeps the center of effort
> > (Ce) of the sailplan ahead of the center of lateral resistance (Cr) of
> the
> > hull.  Adjust your IMF mainsail area to balance the helm while keeping
> the
> > genoa area as big as possible for the conditions.  Use your genoa track
> > lead position and backstay tension adjuster to adjust the shape of the
> > genoa for the conditions.  Be ready to dump the mainsail first in gusts,
> > followed by the genoa if necessary to keep the boat on her lines.  I like
> > to dump the traveler to leeward; but, some people prefer to use the
> > mainsheet.  My experience is the traveler responds faster and keeps the
> > mainsail shape closer to optimum.  After the gust has past, the traveler
> > allows you to trim the mainsail back in and working faster than the
> > mainsheet.  If the traveler doesn?t dump enough wind; then, you can dump
> > some genoa sheet.
> >
> > The OEM standard roller furler doesn?t keep a good sail shape beyond the
> > 1st few turns of the furling drum.  It loses luff tension and the point
> of
> > maximum draft in the genoa moves too far aft.  This is true even if you
> > move the genoa sheet lead position forward on the track.  ( As you should
> > )  The resulting poor sail shape will dramatically affect your ability to
> > point to windward.  It also narrows the ?groove? - the angle of attack
> > between luffing and stalling the genoa, thus making the helmsman?s job
> more
> > difficult. Therefore, you want to fly a genoa that is matched to your
> > conditions.  That way, you will be able to fly it fully unfurled most of
> > the time.  For your conditions, it sounds like the 130% genoa is the best
> > compromise.
> >
> > You need a slight bow down trim because the hull?s wetted surface aft of
> > the fixed keel will start to act like a set of landing flaps on an
> > airplane. There is so much wetted surface back there; that, the resulting
> > drag is huge.  A slight bow down trim allows the flow to smoothly exit
> the
> > stern with minimal drag.  However, be careful with too much bow down trim
> > because you still need enough floatation and freeboard in the bow to be
> > able to punch thru waves.  If the bow should happen to submarine; then,
> > you?ve set yourself up to pitch pole.  That?s nearly always the start of
> a
> > bad day on the water!
> >
> > There is also some adjustment possible in the fore/aft rake angle of the
> > mast.  Increasing the rake angle aft increases weather helm.  Since we
> are
> > trying to decrease weather helm, we want to adjust the mast rake angle to
> > give neutral helm or even a slight lee helm under light air.  Note, that
> > this will make the boat?s steering less intuitive for a novice helmsman.
> > But, we are talking about a racing setup here and presumably an
> experienced
> > helmsman.  Between the mast rake angle and the genoa/mainsail area
> > distribution, you want the boat to have virtually no tendency to round up
> > until the leeward rail is in the water.  This will keep you climbing to
> > windward as much as possible.
> >
> > Note that these adjustments are counter to conventional sail rig tuning
> > wisdom.  But, like Stan always says, ?When it comes to the Rhodes 22, it
> > pays to not listen to the experts!?
> >
> > If they have assigned you a PHRF rating of => ~260 sec/nm, your bottom is
> > clean, the rig is adjusted properly, and your sails are in good
> condition;
> > then, your poor results are on you, not the boat.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Oct 13, 2021, at 11:57 AM, Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Hi Jeff,
> > >
> > > I respectfully disagree with much of what you said about weight on the
> > > boat.
> > >
> > > The bow anchor and other weight forward, like the water tank, help with
> > > pointing if you have IMF.  In winds 15kt+, two crew forward on the rail
> > are
> > > needed to keep the boat flat at all points of sail.  Reduce crew to
> > minimum
> > > allowed below 10kt.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Rick Lange
> > >
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Oct 12, 2021 at 6:44 PM Jeff Smith Photo <
> > jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> For Racing.
> > >> Keep crew amidships and out of the cockpit. Even the helms person
> > should be
> > >> as forward as possible. If racing, take everything non essential off
> the
> > >> boat. Especially in the ends. Forward cushions can usually be removed.
> > >> Check your PHRF rules; how many anchors and rhodes are required? For
> > >> successful racers all weight aboard is the enemy! Especially in the
> > ends.
> > >> Think about your bow mounted anchor and the rhode in the lazarette.
> > Success
> > >> in racing  involves a ton of small improvements.
> > >>
> > >> Best Regards
> > >> Jeff Smith
> > >>
> >
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Sun Oct 31 18:01:43 2021
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 22:01:43 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] End of summer
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Hi All,

I put S/V Dynamic Equilibrium into winter storage this week.  For Midland County residents, the  Midland County Fairgrounds offers secure indoor winter storage for cars, boats, and RV?s in the buildings used for animal and vender displays. Putting the boat away for the winter is always the ?real? end of summer for me.  I like to get the boat stored away before Halloween because it?s a big tempting target sitting there on its trailer in the driveway.

My hospital called today.  Due to COVID-19, the hospital is overbooked.  My knee replacement surgery has been postponed until November 8th (maybe?).

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Sun Oct 31 22:22:38 2021
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 22:22:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dock lines
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I keep my Rhodes 22 docked  all season on Barnegat Bay  with lines on both sides.  I had old 1/2 ? lines and need to replace all lines next season.  Everything I?ve read says that 3/8? line should be fine. I?d prefer 3/8? to save cost and have an easier time on cleats.  

Just curious what the experience is with 3/8? line??..

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 22:32:12 2021
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2021 22:32:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Dock lines
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During one of our severe tidal surges on the Cheapeake, my boat was
suspended above the water.  Cleats and 3/8 line did fine.

1/2 lines look cooler.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA

On Sun, Oct 31, 2021, 10:22 PM THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I keep my Rhodes 22 docked  all season on Barnegat Bay  with lines on both
> sides.  I had old 1/2 ? lines and need to replace all lines next season.
> Everything I?ve read says that 3/8? line should be fine. I?d prefer 3/8? to
> save cost and have an easier time on cleats.
>
> Just curious what the experience is with 3/8? line??..
>