[Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?

Wed Oct 20 18:09:59 EDT 2021

The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his guy
tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of
putting in next year.

We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know at
least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and Jessie and
Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't mention in passion
would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol

A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
Love our r22,
Tom

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just
> didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with another r22
> owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
>
>  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation of
> this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference materials.  We
> sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value. (Triple
> printing USD these last two years aside)
>
> All comments on this appreciated,
> Fair winds,
> Tom
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom,
>>
>> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most knowledgeable
>> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an opinion from him.
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
>> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > F...
>> >
>> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
>> resource
>> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or something
>> has
>> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has some
>> "super
>> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
>> doesn't?”
>> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how they F'd
>> up.
>> > Pardon my french.
>> >
>> >
>> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with me...
>> And I
>> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle because his
>> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
>> >
>> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx spend.
>> >
>> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I minimize
>> > exposure to them.
>> >
>> > Meltzer knows... Lol
>> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
>> >
>> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
>> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
>> >
>> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
>> > Tom
>> >
>> >
>> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Tom,
>> >>
>> >> That looks like you’re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
>> substrate.
>> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water or
>> even
>> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
>> >>
>> >> Roger Pihlaja
>> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> >>
>> >> Sent from Mail<
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>> >>
>> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
>> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>> >>
>> >> Ooooof...
>> >>
>> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
>> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
>> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish now?
>> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with this
>> now?
>> >>
>> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
>> >> Michigan. Not every year.
>> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these freshwater
>> guys
>> >> messed it up?
>> >>
>> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
>> ground in
>> >> by the buffing?
>> >>
>> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit it
>> with
>> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a brush...
>> No
>> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Tom,
>> >>>
>> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their pressure
>> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
>> >>>
>> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
>> going to
>> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy with
>> >> their
>> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won’t have to worry about
>> >> osmotic
>> >>> blisters!
>> >>>
>> >>> Roger Pihlaja
>> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from Mail<
>> >>
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>> >> for Windows
>> >>>
>> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
>> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>> >>>
>> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
>> >>>
>> >>> Thoughts?
>> >>>
>> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full detail....
>> >>>
>> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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