[Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?

Wed Oct 20 19:23:47 EDT 2021

Was gonna say... Btc...

On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:18 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Shawn,
>
> 2 bitcoins worth! Oh my! That's no longer considered free advice at
> $132,140 (current value of 2 bitcoins in USD).
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I’d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Shawn Boles
> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 6:41 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
>
> Tom:
>
> I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed infested
> freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish - the
> yard washes her at both ends of the season.
>
> I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think
> teaching your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
>
> My 2 bitcoins worth.
>
> Cheers,
> Shawn
> s/ v Sweet Baboo
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
>
> > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with his guy
> > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront of
> > putting in next year.
> >
> > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I know
> > at least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and
> > Jessie and Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't
> > mention in passion would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone
> > stripped me.? Lol
> >
> > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness, Love our r22,
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom, just
> > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with
> > > another r22 owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > >
> > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen observation
> > > of this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference
> materials.
> > We
> > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in value.
> > > (Triple printing USD these last two years aside)
> > >
> > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > Fair winds,
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Tom,
> > >>
> > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> > >> knowledgeable about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get
> > >> an opinion from
> > him.
> > >>
> > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>
> > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > F...
> > >> >
> > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly appreciated.
> > >> >
> > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?  Any
> > >> resource
> > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or
> > >> > something
> > >> has
> > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22 has
> > >> > some
> > >> "super
> > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they service
> > >> doesn't?”
> > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know how
> > >> > they
> > F'd
> > >> up.
> > >> > Pardon my french.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son with
> me...
> > >> And I
> > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle
> > >> > because his expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > >> >
> > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a $$$$.xx
> spend.
> > >> >
> > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I
> > >> > minimize exposure to them.
> > >> >
> > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > >> >
> > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > >> >
> > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again, Tom
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Tom,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That looks like you’re thru the gelcoat right down to the FRP
> > >> substrate.
> > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in the water
> or
> > >> even
> > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had a fit!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > >>
> >
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> > >
> > >> for Windows
> > >> >>
> > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ooooof...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it out.
> > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a refinish
> now?
> > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to deal with
> > this
> > >> now?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting in lake
> > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> freshwater
> > >> guys
> > >> >> messed it up?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's been
> > >> ground in
> > >> >> by the buffing?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I just hit
> it
> > >> with
> > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a
> brush...
> > >> No
> > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Tom,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into their
> > pressure
> > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to cover it?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate, you are
> > >> going to
> > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system epoxy
> with
> > >> >> their
> > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won’t have to worry about
> > >> >> osmotic
> > >> >>> blisters!
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> > >> >>
> > >>
> >
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> > >> >
> > >> >> for Windows
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their cleaning?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> detail....
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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