[Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?

Thu Oct 21 16:33:01 EDT 2021

CuSO4 is green blue. Maybe they used something with sulphuric?  Well
doesn’t matter they screwed it up.
Chris Enosis

On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 3:16 AM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> CuO2 should be red, not green?
> Thanks all.  I expect a call from the  shop owners tomorrow and will keep
> you posted.  You're my sanity check, and specific experience trump's
> specific.
>
> Kindly,
> Tom
>
> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > One final thought. (Back in Greece and it is 3:00 am local and can’t
> > sleep). Roger will know the chemistry:  bottom paint contains Cu oxide?
> > Common acid based cleaners ( phosphoric acid and HCl come to mind) would
> > react with the Cu in the paint, no?
> >
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> > Rhodes Greece
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 2:24 AM Tom Van Heule <
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Agreed mark.  I will have the 3rd party check tomorrow ..
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 6:15 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Tom,
> > > >
> > > > Another possible approach: get someone with experience (a marine
> > > surveyor?)
> > > > who is not affiliated with the yard to take a look at your hull and
> > > render
> > > > an opinion. Better to have one set of eyes on the hull in person
> than a
> > > > dozen or more looking at digital photographs. If there is damage
> you'll
> > > > need someone to give you an estimate anyway. It just seems very
> curious
> > > to
> > > > me that anything they might use to detail your boat would strip paint
> > and
> > > > gelcoat off the hull. Lawsuits and such take their own toll on both
> > > > parties.
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > > Boston, MA
> > > >
> > > > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 6:40 PM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tom:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've sailed my 86, refurbished in 2010, in an algae and weed
> infested
> > > > > freshwater lake for over a decade. Never a problem with the finish
> -
> > > the
> > > > > yard washes her at both ends of the season.
> > > > >
> > > > > I say sue the incompetent liar. With respect to swearing, I think
> > > > teaching
> > > > > your child righteous anger in the real world is a good thing.
> > > > >
> > > > > My 2 bitcoins worth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > Shawn
> > > > > s/ v Sweet Baboo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 5:10 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The boat house owner whom I spoke with said he would talk with
> his
> > > guy
> > > > > > tomorrow about what happened.  He is aware I seek damages Infront
> > of
> > > > > > putting in next year.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We assume, dearest Stan....  The hull coats are maintainable, I
> > know
> > > at
> > > > > > least 2 Rhodie's who have had zero issues.  I'm sure Rodger and
> > > Jessie
> > > > > and
> > > > > > Peter and Marylou and every other awesome rhodie I can't mention
> in
> > > > > passion
> > > > > > would agree.  Out boats don't suck... Someone stripped me.? Lol
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A bit miffed, but always trying to find joy/kindness,
> > > > > > Love our r22,
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:30 PM Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'd hate to tax him... As inevitably I would need a new bottom,
> > > just
> > > > > > > didn't think this soon.... after one detailing.  I spoke with
> > > another
> > > > > r22
> > > > > > > owner who mirrored your sentiment that something is "foul".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  As Stan mentions inbox backup...  I will await his keen
> > > observation
> > > > of
> > > > > > > this thread. I don't find anything specific in the reference
> > > > materials.
> > > > > > We
> > > > > > > sure love our boat and want to ensure it's appreciation in
> value.
> > > > > (Triple
> > > > > > > printing USD these last two years aside)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All comments on this appreciated,
> > > > > > > Fair winds,
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 4:11 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Tom,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I think Stan is your best resource here.  He would be most
> > > > > knowledgeable
> > > > > > >> about how the bottom was coated.  See if you can get an
> opinion
> > > from
> > > > > > him.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> > On Oct 20, 2021, at 4:44 PM, Tom Van Heule <
> > > > > > >> tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > F...
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Any details I can use to build my case would be greatly
> > > > appreciated.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > What WAS there? How should they have KNOWN how to treat it?
> > Any
> > > > > > >> resource
> > > > > > >> > that shows something like this? Maybe someone on YouTube or
> > > > > something
> > > > > > >> has
> > > > > > >> > covered this seemingly basic task? I do not believe the R22
> > has
> > > > some
> > > > > > >> "super
> > > > > > >> > special fancy boat coating that the other 100k boats they
> > > service
> > > > > > >> doesn't?”
> > > > > > >> > I will gladly tell you all the shop, but only after I know
> how
> > > > they
> > > > > > F'd
> > > > > > >> up.
> > > > > > >> > Pardon my french.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I have a habit of making a scene... Today I had my 7yo son
> > with
> > > > > me...
> > > > > > >> And I
> > > > > > >> > try to minimize his exposure to "daddy flew off the handle
> > > because
> > > > > his
> > > > > > >> > expectations were failed by a fucking professional".
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Ooo I swore again... Admittedly I am not looking for a
> $$$$.xx
> > > > > spend.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I do have insurance.... As mentioned before.. it's better I
> > > > minimize
> > > > > > >> > exposure to them.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Meltzer knows... Lol
> > > > > > >> > Thanks everyone.  I'd like to wrap this up fast.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > I suppose for now I will call them and make them aware I am
> > > > > > >> > unhappy/aware/centeringmyself that they caused damage.?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Enough ramble for now, thanks again,
> > > > > > >> > Tom
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 3:33 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Tom,
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> That looks like you’re thru the gelcoat right down to the
> FRP
> > > > > > >> substrate.
> > > > > > >> >> Yes, you need a refinish before you put the boat back in
> the
> > > > water
> > > > > or
> > > > > > >> even
> > > > > > >> >> expose it to much UV.  If it was my boat, I would have had
> a
> > > fit!
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > >> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Sent from Mail<
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > > > >> for Windows
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
> > > > > > >> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:30 PM
> > > > > > >> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > >
> > > > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> Ooooof...
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> 1. I silently paid and left.
> > > > > > >> >> 2. I can cancel their payment, but would prefer to talk it
> > out.
> > > > > > >> >> 3. They told me it was fine... Are you saying I need a
> > refinish
> > > > > now?
> > > > > > >> >> 4. I dropped it at storage this afternoon. Do I need to
> deal
> > > with
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > >> now?
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> I figured I would need a bottom paint every 2 years sitting
> > in
> > > > lake
> > > > > > >> >> Michigan. Not every year.
> > > > > > >> >> Could it be that the boat has a saltwater paint and these
> > > > > freshwater
> > > > > > >> guys
> > > > > > >> >> messed it up?
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> It looks like a like buffing compound, or lake life, that's
> > > been
> > > > > > >> ground in
> > > > > > >> >> by the buffing?
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >> I've never had a boat professionally cleaned.  Usually I
> just
> > > hit
> > > > > it
> > > > > > >> with
> > > > > > >> >> the power washer and mcquires, or something like that and a
> > > > > brush...
> > > > > > >> No
> > > > > > >> >> idea what chemicals they used... I will follow up.
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>
> > > > > > >> >>> On Wed, Oct 20, 2021, 2:14 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <
> > > > > roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Tom,
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Any chance they had some hydroblasting media mixed into
> > their
> > > > > > pressure
> > > > > > >> >>> washer that day?  Is their liability insurance going to
> > cover
> > > > it?
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Since the bottom is obviously down to the FRP substrate,
> you
> > > are
> > > > > > >> going to
> > > > > > >> >>> have to refinish the bottom.  May I recommend WEST system
> > > epoxy
> > > > > with
> > > > > > >> >> their
> > > > > > >> >>> 422 barrier coat additive.  At least you won’t have to
> worry
> > > > about
> > > > > > >> >> osmotic
> > > > > > >> >>> blisters!
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> > > > > > >> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Sent from Mail<
> > > > > > >> >>
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> > > > > > >> >> for Windows
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> > > > > > >> >>> From: Tom Van Heule<mailto:
> > tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com
> > > >
> > > > > > >> >>> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 2:15 PM
> > > > > > >> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:
> > > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > > > >> >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Detail fail?
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> They said they have never seen a boat do this from their
> > > > cleaning?
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> Thoughts?
> > > > > > >> >>>
> > > > > > >> >>> The rest of the boat looks great... But for a $800+ full
> > > > > detail....
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> > > > > > >> >>> It was showroom clean at the beginning of the season.
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