From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 19:19:00 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:19:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing, testing, 123
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmm-E9sCEWHY4HoX8aT8zvt39qN8+UNSmHw2+6xG+bmMEQ@mail.gmail.com>

No posts in April? Prime outfitting season?

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Apr  6 20:08:37 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2022 17:08:37 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing, testing, 123
Message-ID: <E1ncFhV-007JfF-4K@s152.servername.online>

Outfitting? Not for a while yet.  I think I?m done with snow plowing, but can?t really be sure.

In past years I?ve made the mistake of taking the cover off the boat in the early spring.  Then the trees wake up and start shedding all manner of weird stuff.  This year, I?m waiting.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-04-06, at 19:19:00 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> No posts in April? Prime outfitting season?
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.<a href="http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net">http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net</a>
> 732-236-1368
> 


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Apr  6 21:39:48 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 21:39:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] squirrels and fox urine
In-Reply-To: <E1ncFhV-007JfF-4K@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1ncFhV-007JfF-4K@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <018c01d84a20$5e509d60$1af1d820$@ca>

I welcome Spring by scaring all of the nesting red squirrels out of the boat and clean out the mess they leave. I was told that fox urine is a deterrent for squirrels - and , yes, you can buy it on Amazon. It is a concentrated stink that is particularly unpleasant when you spill it on your hands and clothing as inevitably happens. I put it in little paper cups throughout the cabin. The squirrels chewed the cups.

Has anyone found a solution for this problem?

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 8:09 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing, testing, 123

Outfitting? Not for a while yet.  I think I?m done with snow plowing, but can?t really be sure.

In past years I?ve made the mistake of taking the cover off the boat in the early spring.  Then the trees wake up and start shedding all manner of weird stuff.  This year, I?m waiting.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-04-06, at 19:19:00 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> No posts in April? Prime outfitting season?
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.<a href="http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net">http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net</a>
> 732-236-1368
> 


From rweiss at siu.edu  Wed Apr  6 21:43:48 2022
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 01:43:48 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] squirrels and fox urine
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References: <E1ncFhV-007JfF-4K@s152.servername.online>
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You might try one of the battery operated sonic devices designed for under car hoods to keep critters from chewing wires. I have one I keep on the boat to deter raccoons.

Bob
Beach Spring

Robert L. Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
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Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 8:39:48 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] squirrels and fox urine

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

I welcome Spring by scaring all of the nesting red squirrels out of the boat and clean out the mess they leave. I was told that fox urine is a deterrent for squirrels - and , yes, you can buy it on Amazon. It is a concentrated stink that is particularly unpleasant when you spill it on your hands and clothing as inevitably happens. I put it in little paper cups throughout the cabin. The squirrels chewed the cups.

Has anyone found a solution for this problem?

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 8:09 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing, testing, 123

Outfitting? Not for a while yet.  I think I?m done with snow plowing, but can?t really be sure.

In past years I?ve made the mistake of taking the cover off the boat in the early spring.  Then the trees wake up and start shedding all manner of weird stuff.  This year, I?m waiting.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-04-06, at 19:19:00 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> No posts in April? Prime outfitting season?
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.<a href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjeffsmithphoto.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7Cede1d0a110234fbc882308da18378375%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C637848924395021589%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=pWs7iWZoiNXkXM%2FBcyFO685cuE%2FdJe8hxwHj1hobqMw%3D&amp;reserved=0">https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjeffsmithphoto.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7Cede1d0a110234fbc882308da18378375%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C637848924395021589%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=pWs7iWZoiNXkXM%2FBcyFO685cuE%2FdJe8hxwHj1hobqMw%3D&amp;reserved=0</a>
> 732-236-1368
>


From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Apr  6 21:52:29 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 21:52:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] squirrels and fox urine
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB8378C6D7733F905CE12F2B9BC6E69@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <E1ncFhV-007JfF-4K@s152.servername.online>
 <018c01d84a20$5e509d60$1af1d820$@ca>
 <CH0PR07MB8378C6D7733F905CE12F2B9BC6E69@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <018d01d84a22$245540a0$6cffc1e0$@ca>

Good idea Robert. I'll try it.

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca







-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 9:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] squirrels and fox urine

You might try one of the battery operated sonic devices designed for under
car hoods to keep critters from chewing wires. I have one I keep on the boat
to deter raccoons.

Bob
Beach Spring

Robert L. Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham
Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 8:39:48 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] squirrels and fox urine

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

I welcome Spring by scaring all of the nesting red squirrels out of the boat
and clean out the mess they leave. I was told that fox urine is a deterrent
for squirrels - and , yes, you can buy it on Amazon. It is a concentrated
stink that is particularly unpleasant when you spill it on your hands and
clothing as inevitably happens. I put it in little paper cups throughout the
cabin. The squirrels chewed the cups.

Has anyone found a solution for this problem?

Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
Peter Nyberg
Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 8:09 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing, testing, 123

Outfitting? Not for a while yet.  I think I'm done with snow plowing, but
can't really be sure.

In past years I've made the mistake of taking the cover off the boat in the
early spring.  Then the trees wake up and start shedding all manner of weird
stuff.  This year, I'm waiting.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-04-06, at 19:19:00 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> No posts in April? Prime outfitting season?
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.<a
href="https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fjeffs
mithphoto.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7Cede1d0a110234fbc88230
8da18378375%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C637848924395021589%
7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwi
LCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=pWs7iWZoiNXkXM%2FBcyFO685cuE%2FdJe8hxwHj1hob
qMw%3D&amp;reserved=0">https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=h
ttp%3A%2F%2Fjeffsmithphoto.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7Cede1
d0a110234fbc882308da18378375%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C63
7848924395021589%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzI
iLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=pWs7iWZoiNXkXM%2FBcyFO685cu
E%2FdJe8hxwHj1hobqMw%3D&amp;reserved=0</a>
> 732-236-1368
>


From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 15:56:53 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 15:56:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 posts into my inbox?
Message-ID: <CAM0HAm=RxMC_Vn11PVcbgE+nOdaWkrj0ma47+Sauh0M+j=L8mw@mail.gmail.com>

The pipermail digest does not seem to be working. How can I get posts to my
inbox?
Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
Cell: 732-236-1368
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Apr  7 16:19:44 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2022 13:19:44 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 posts into my inbox?
Message-ID: <E1ncYbY-006P0b-Ns@s152.servername.online>

Jeff,

There was no activity on the forum on the dates of 4/1 through 4/5, so there would have been no digest for those dates.  Maybe that's all there is to it. (fingers crossed)

--Peter


> On 2022-04-07, at 15:56:53 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> The pipermail digest does not seem to be working. How can I get posts to my 
> inbox? 
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> w &lt;<a 
> href="http://NJphoto.Net">http://NJphoto.Net</a>&gt;ww.jeffsmithphoto.net 
> Cell: 732-236-1368
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Apr  7 16:39:42 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2022 13:39:42 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org Wierdness
Message-ID: <E1ncYus-007rgp-EO@s152.servername.online>

I got a couple of personal emails this afternoon saying that the rhodes22.org website was not behaving correctly.  Instead of getting the expected page, some Network Solutions page would appear instead.  I attempted to duplicate this a few minutes ago, and was initially able to duplicate the problem, but then it cleared up, and the website now appears to be functioning normally.  Hopefully, this is no longer an issue.

I know this will seem like a very subtle distinction for many, but while I did write the code behind the the rhodes22.org website, I am not the webmaster, and I have no administrative authority.  When things don't seem to be working right, the person who might know what's going on, and have the ability to fix it is Mike Weisner, a.k.a. your webmaster.  

My guess as to what might have happened this afternoon is that Mike is doing some work to upgrade the website, which might have resulted in a temporary Domain Name Service (DNS) glitch.  But that's just a guess.

--Peter



From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Apr  7 16:49:54 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2022 16:49:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <E1ncYus-007rgp-EO@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <mailman.1684.1649364612.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

Seems OK on my Android phone. I am not working on the server. I will investigate when home tonight.--Mike--
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 4/7/22  4:39 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org Wierdness I got a couple of personal emails this afternoon saying that the rhodes22.org website was not behaving correctly.? Instead of getting the expected page, some Network Solutions page would appear instead.? I attempted to duplicate this a few minutes ago, and was initially able to duplicate the problem, but then it cleared up, and the website now appears to be functioning normally.? Hopefully, this is no longer an issue.I know this will seem like a very subtle distinction for many, but while I did write the code behind the the rhodes22.org website, I am not the webmaster, and I have no administrative authority.? When things don't seem to be working right, the person who might know what's going on, and have the ability to fix it is Mike Weisner, a.k.a. your webmaster.? My guess as to what might have happened this afternoon is that Mike is doing some work to upgrade the website, which might have resulted in a temporary Domain Name Service (DNS) glitch.? But that's just a guess.--Peter

From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Apr  7 17:48:11 2022
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 21:48:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electronic Varmint Repellant
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920E3082F630B5E9235F8E480E69@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

For some reason, the list wouldn?t let me respond to the thread about repelling mice and raccoons from nesting aboard our boats.  So, I?ll start a new thread.

I live on the edge of the AuSable State forest and across the street from me is a 60 acre hay field.  My yard has 8 large acorn rich white oaks.  We have an abundance of various kinds of critters including mice, squirrels, raccoons, possums, skunks, and chipmunks.  For the last several years, I?ve had good luck repelling them all with Mouseblocker Pro products (www.mouseblocker.com<http://www.mouseblocker.com>).  They make a 12 VDC version that?s designed to be mounted under the hood of your car and connected to the battery.  This unit is smart enough to know when the engine is off and it only operates when the engine isn?t running.  I have one on all 3 of our cars + S/V Dynamic Equilibrium.  Then, they make a 120 VAC version of the Mouseblocker Pro that?s designed to protect larger areas.  My garage is 24 ft X 30 ft.  To cover this much floor space, I have 2 of the 120 VAC versions mounted in diagonal opposite corners.  Both versions utilize high frequency ultrasonic pulses and flashing white LED?s to drive critters away.  I haven?t had any varmint issues in the garage or any of our cars or boat since I started using them.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 17:45:44 2022
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 17:45:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <E1ncYus-007rgp-EO@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1ncYus-007rgp-EO@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAB-twMOABch148gZDjLUindkHCR1wBjeso+_etz_RQFaVBY5ww@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Peter

Sorry for the email.

Todd T.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022, 4:39 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> I got a couple of personal emails this afternoon saying that the
> rhodes22.org website was not behaving correctly.  Instead of getting the
> expected page, some Network Solutions page would appear instead.  I
> attempted to duplicate this a few minutes ago, and was initially able to
> duplicate the problem, but then it cleared up, and the website now appears
> to be functioning normally.  Hopefully, this is no longer an issue.
>
> I know this will seem like a very subtle distinction for many, but while I
> did write the code behind the the rhodes22.org website, I am not the
> webmaster, and I have no administrative authority.  When things don't seem
> to be working right, the person who might know what's going on, and have
> the ability to fix it is Mike Weisner, a.k.a. your webmaster.
>
> My guess as to what might have happened this afternoon is that Mike is
> doing some work to upgrade the website, which might have resulted in a
> temporary Domain Name Service (DNS) glitch.  But that's just a guess.
>
> --Peter
>
>
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Apr  7 18:35:57 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 22:35:57 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electronic Varmint Repellant
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920E3082F630B5E9235F8E480E69@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CH2PR02MB6920E3082F630B5E9235F8E480E69@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920ABAD2765D202BD7A806C80E69@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

I forgot to mention an ongoing battle with a pest that seems to have taken a break since the flood in May, 2020.  In the last several years, Sanford Lake was starting to become a nesting ground for cormorants.  These are very social birds that tend to nest and hang out in very noisy colonies.  Their droppings have a strong smell of ammonia and can create a huge mess wherever they roost.  A nesting pair choose S/V Dynamic Equilibrium and my swim platform.  The 12 VDC Mouseblocker Pro on board S/V Dynamic Equilibrium didn?t seem to have much effect on them.

I was combating the problem with a Gamo Magnum 0.177 Cal air rifle with a 1-9 X 40 mm scope.  This single shot pellet gun has a suppressor and fires 0.177 caliber pellets at 1650 ft/sec, which is supersonic!  I could crack open my dining room window and pick off the cormorants at about 70 yds without even going outside.  Three of the cormorants had already developed terminal 0.177 caliber lead poisoning when the flood occurred.  After the flood, with the radical environmental change, the rest of the flock seems to have gone elsewhere.

Speaking of the flood, the Michigan State Legislature recently passed an infrastructure bill that included ~M$250 in funding to rebuild the 4 dams damaged or destroyed in the flood.  This State funding will reduce the Special Water District Assessment on my property tax bill by ~6X, which is very good news!  The timing of the 4 dam building projects still call for Sanford Lake to be refilled in the summer of 2025.  Since I now have good confidence there is actually going to be a lake, I?ve started accumulating pieces/parts for the rebuilding of our seawalls, dock, and steps.  I have plenty of time to shop for good deals on steel and pressure treated wood.  We?ll probably do most of the project in the summer of 2023.  The class action lawsuit is still stalled out in the courts.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2022 2:48 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electronic Varmint Repellant

Hi All,

For some reason, the list wouldn?t let me respond to the thread about repelling mice and raccoons from nesting aboard our boats.  So, I?ll start a new thread.

I live on the edge of the AuSable State forest and across the street from me is a 60 acre hay field.  My yard has 8 large acorn rich white oaks.  We have an abundance of various kinds of critters including mice, squirrels, raccoons, possums, skunks, and chipmunks.  For the last several years, I?ve had good luck repelling them all with Mouseblocker Pro products (https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mouseblocker.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfcaf0d28ff054e9f6a3308da18e051da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637849648984626511%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=eEF%2F1QBMywmOyukAnGbakQVaZ7hx44Kde%2FlaxkCNcxg%3D&amp;reserved=0<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mouseblocker.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfcaf0d28ff054e9f6a3308da18e051da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637849648984626511%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=eEF%2F1QBMywmOyukAnGbakQVaZ7hx44Kde%2FlaxkCNcxg%3D&amp;reserved=0<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mouseblocker.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfcaf0d28ff054e9f6a3308da18e051da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637849648984626511%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=eEF%2F1QBMywmOyukAnGbakQVaZ7hx44Kde%2FlaxkCNcxg%3D&amp;reserved=0%3chttps://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mouseblocker.com%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cfcaf0d28ff054e9f6a3308da18e051da%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637849648984626511%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=eEF%2F1QBMywmOyukAnGbakQVaZ7hx44Kde%2FlaxkCNcxg%3D&amp;reserved=0>>).  They make a 12 VDC version that?s designed to be mounted under the hood of your car and connected to the battery.  This unit is smart enough to know when the engine is off and it only operates when the engine isn?t running.  I have one on all 3 of our cars + S/V Dynamic Equilibrium.  Then, they make a 120 VAC version of the Mouseblocker Pro that?s designed to protect larger areas.  My garage is 24 ft X 30 ft.  To cover this much floor space, I have 2 of the 120 VAC versions mounted in diagonal opposite corners.  Both versions utilize high frequency ultrasonic pulses and flashing white LED?s to drive critters away.  I haven?t had any varmint issues in the garage or any of our cars or boat since I started using them.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium



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From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Thu Apr  7 20:51:35 2022
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2022 19:51:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <CAB-twMOABch148gZDjLUindkHCR1wBjeso+_etz_RQFaVBY5ww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1ncYus-007rgp-EO@s152.servername.online>
 <CAB-twMOABch148gZDjLUindkHCR1wBjeso+_etz_RQFaVBY5ww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moQdsVbqgLVcT7=egXsx75sY-zNjyWF6tq=ehX=ELoBL2g@mail.gmail.com>

I sent this in the morning, it might have not gone through :-)

Just got altered that rhodes22.org expired, and was going to get delisted.
Just renewed for 2 more years. Your all set and enjoy


On Thu, Apr 7, 2022, 4:54 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Peter
>
> Sorry for the email.
>
> Todd T.
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022, 4:39 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> > I got a couple of personal emails this afternoon saying that the
> > rhodes22.org website was not behaving correctly.  Instead of getting the
> > expected page, some Network Solutions page would appear instead.  I
> > attempted to duplicate this a few minutes ago, and was initially able to
> > duplicate the problem, but then it cleared up, and the website now
> appears
> > to be functioning normally.  Hopefully, this is no longer an issue.
> >
> > I know this will seem like a very subtle distinction for many, but while
> I
> > did write the code behind the the rhodes22.org website, I am not the
> > webmaster, and I have no administrative authority.  When things don't
> seem
> > to be working right, the person who might know what's going on, and have
> > the ability to fix it is Mike Weisner, a.k.a. your webmaster.
> >
> > My guess as to what might have happened this afternoon is that Mike is
> > doing some work to upgrade the website, which might have resulted in a
> > temporary Domain Name Service (DNS) glitch.  But that's just a guess.
> >
> > --Peter
> >
> >
> >
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Apr  7 22:17:45 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2022 22:17:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <CAH-6moQdsVbqgLVcT7=egXsx75sY-zNjyWF6tq=ehX=ELoBL2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.1685.1649384273.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>

Thank you. Please send a bill (just the amount will do) directly to my email so that I can compensate you for the domain.--Mike--
-------- Original message --------From: michael meltzer <mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> Date: 4/7/22  8:51 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org Wierdness I sent this in the morning, it might have not gone through :-)Just got altered that rhodes22.org expired, and was going to get delisted.Just renewed for 2 more years. Your all set and enjoyOn Thu, Apr 7, 2022, 4:54 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:> Thanks Peter>> Sorry for the email.>> Todd T.>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022, 4:39 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:>> > I got a couple of personal emails this afternoon saying that the> > rhodes22.org website was not behaving correctly.? Instead of getting the> > expected page, some Network Solutions page would appear instead.? I> > attempted to duplicate this a few minutes ago, and was initially able to> > duplicate the problem, but then it cleared up, and the website now> appears> > to be functioning normally.? Hopefully, this is no longer an issue.> >> > I know this will seem like a very subtle distinction for many, but while> I> > did write the code behind the the rhodes22.org website, I am not the> > webmaster, and I have no administrative authority.? When things don't> seem> > to be working right, the person who might know what's going on, and have> > the ability to fix it is Mike Weisner, a.k.a. your webmaster.> >> > My guess as to what might have happened this afternoon is that Mike is> > doing some work to upgrade the website, which might have resulted in a> > temporary Domain Name Service (DNS) glitch.? But that's just a guess.> >> > --Peter> >> >> >>

From mjm at michaelmeltzer.com  Fri Apr  8 08:38:28 2022
From: mjm at michaelmeltzer.com (michael meltzer)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 07:38:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22.org Wierdness
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1685.1649384273.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <CAH-6moQdsVbqgLVcT7=egXsx75sY-zNjyWF6tq=ehX=ELoBL2g@mail.gmail.com>
 <mailman.1685.1649384273.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <CAH-6moTmkawZnm9vTKFOxSG092C2=Ow7Z8po9zVswU4ZNOEuZw@mail.gmail.com>

Call it a my list donation (been doing it for years), instead of sending it
to me, send it to  netsol, they gave it for 17 a year, pick up some more

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022, 9:18 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

> Thank you. Please send a bill (just the amount will do) directly to my
> email so that I can compensate you for the domain.--Mike--
> -------- Original message --------From: michael meltzer <
> mjm at michaelmeltzer.com> Date: 4/7/22  8:51 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes
> 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list]
> Rhodes22.org Wierdness I sent this in the morning, it might have not gone
> through :-)Just got altered that rhodes22.org expired, and was going to
> get delisted.Just renewed for 2 more years. Your all set and enjoyOn Thu,
> Apr 7, 2022, 4:54 PM Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:> Thanks
> Peter>> Sorry for the email.>> Todd T.>> On Thu, Apr 7, 2022, 4:39 PM Peter
> Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:>> > I got a couple of personal
> emails this afternoon saying that the> > rhodes22.org website was not
> behaving correctly.  Instead of getting the> > expected page, some Network
> Solutions page would appear instead.  I> > attempted to duplicate this a
> few minutes ago, and was initially able to> > duplicate the problem, but
> then it cleared up, and the website now> appears> > to be functioning
> normally.  Hopefully, this is no longer an issue.> >> > I know this will
> seem like a very subtle distinction for many, but while> I> > did write the
> code behind the the rhodes22.org website, I am not the> > webmaster, and
> I have no administrative authority.  When things don't> seem> > to be
> working right, the person who might know what's going on, and have> > the
> ability to fix it is Mike Weisner, a.k.a. your webmaster.> >> > My guess as
> to what might have happened this afternoon is that Mike is> > doing some
> work to upgrade the website, which might have resulted in a> > temporary
> Domain Name Service (DNS) glitch.  But that's just a guess.> >> > --Peter>
> >> >> >>
>

From kayakim57 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 09:10:50 2022
From: kayakim57 at gmail.com (Kim Wann)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 08:10:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in good
	condition...
Message-ID: <CADc7gR6ZP6skv4WXG23mGAhxMJgpouWU0FMt7qVERh3ds0v=Ew@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!
We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in good condition, preferably
reconditioned.  We would love to hear from you!
Thank you!
Kim and Jim Wann

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 09:16:48 2022
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 08:16:48 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in
 good condition...
In-Reply-To: <CADc7gR6ZP6skv4WXG23mGAhxMJgpouWU0FMt7qVERh3ds0v=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADc7gR6ZP6skv4WXG23mGAhxMJgpouWU0FMt7qVERh3ds0v=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANbEFCu3oPiEdvWH_5nUvJj8vPh=GUusQAhOfSeAHUXvaq7KKQ@mail.gmail.com>

There is one for sale at White Bear Boatworks here in MN.  I?m not sure the
details.  You could call and ask for Jason Brown.

Matt

On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 8:11 AM Kim Wann <kayakim57 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello!
> We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in good condition, preferably
> reconditioned.  We would love to hear from you!
> Thank you!
> Kim and Jim Wann
>

From mark-olson at verizon.net  Fri Apr  8 10:02:18 2022
From: mark-olson at verizon.net (Mark Olson)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 10:02:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in
 good condition...
In-Reply-To: <CADc7gR6ZP6skv4WXG23mGAhxMJgpouWU0FMt7qVERh3ds0v=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADc7gR6ZP6skv4WXG23mGAhxMJgpouWU0FMt7qVERh3ds0v=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7b6c3c6b-ec6f-ff81-454e-238976c61556@verizon.net>

I will be selling mine this year.? It's a 1983.? Above deck is in good 
shape.? Sails including an asymmetrical spinnaker are in good shape, IMF 
& trailer.? Not reconditioned but with a low price.

I'm in Northeast New Jersey.

Anyone interested give me a call.

Mark Olson

201-741-0644


On 4/8/2022 9:10 AM, Kim Wann wrote:
> Hello!
> We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in good condition, preferably
> reconditioned.  We would love to hear from you!
> Thank you!
> Kim and Jim Wann

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 10:13:19 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 10:13:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in
 good condition...
In-Reply-To: <CADc7gR6ZP6skv4WXG23mGAhxMJgpouWU0FMt7qVERh3ds0v=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADc7gR6ZP6skv4WXG23mGAhxMJgpouWU0FMt7qVERh3ds0v=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Zgps5dfbNnSMnDcNSo_YUv5E1taBggo9xztnVV5W=NcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kim,

I have a '93 that has been, along with a trailer, well maintained and
refurbished in Cleveland, OH.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 9:11 AM Kim Wann <kayakim57 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello!
> We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in good condition, preferably
> reconditioned.  We would love to hear from you!
> Thank you!
> Kim and Jim Wann
>

From colealexander at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  8 10:42:11 2022
From: colealexander at hotmail.com (Alexander Cole)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 14:42:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing, Testing, 123
Message-ID: <CH2PR14MB39922DF0963BB0A5DB3A1A32A6E99@CH2PR14MB3992.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

 Jeff Smith Photo jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com<mailto:rhodes22-list%40rhodes22.org?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BRhodes22-list%5D%20Testing%2C%20testing%2C%20123&In-Reply-To=%3CCAM0HAmm-E9sCEWHY4HoX8aT8zvt39qN8%2BUNSmHw2%2B6xG%2BbmMEQ%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
Wed Apr 6 19:19:00 EDT 2022

  *


________________________________

No posts in April? Prime outfitting season?

 Outfitting is done.   Boat is in her slip.   I just need to install the new choke pull (arrived yesterday) and Sunday will be spent hiding from all responsibility.   Yea!!!!


Alex Cole

(Ohio)

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From snstaum at gmail.com  Fri Apr  8 17:37:18 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 17:37:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in
 good condition...
In-Reply-To: <CADc7gR6ZP6skv4WXG23mGAhxMJgpouWU0FMt7qVERh3ds0v=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADc7gR6ZP6skv4WXG23mGAhxMJgpouWU0FMt7qVERh3ds0v=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_FjdgePnWtyEAXMhKgRjXkJi2BpU2RKi-BG_YxH=Jqa0Bzg@mail.gmail.com>

Where are you located? The woman who bought my '83 might be interested in
selling.  It has IMF mainsail, recent 130 Genoa, 9.9 outboard, trailer,
solar power and a 12 V chiller.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*
*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 9:11 AM Kim Wann <kayakim57 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello!
> We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in good condition, preferably
> reconditioned.  We would love to hear from you!
> Thank you!
> Kim and Jim Wann
>

From larrywallen at verizon.net  Sat Apr  9 19:00:29 2022
From: larrywallen at verizon.net (AOL)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 23:00:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in
 good condition...
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_FjdgePnWtyEAXMhKgRjXkJi2BpU2RKi-BG_YxH=Jqa0Bzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADc7gR6ZP6skv4WXG23mGAhxMJgpouWU0FMt7qVERh3ds0v=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOo_FjdgePnWtyEAXMhKgRjXkJi2BpU2RKi-BG_YxH=Jqa0Bzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <952760845.563788.1649545229633@mail.yahoo.com>

Kim and Jim,
I have an 86 Rhodes I might be interested in selling. It hasn't been reconditioned, but it's in very good shape and has been very well maintained. Irt has a 9 hpHonda motor with remote throttle that also has been serviced regularly. It comes with a dual axel trailer.?
Where are you located?
Larry AllenSarasota, FL


-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Fri, Apr 8, 2022 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in good condition...

Where are you located? The woman who bought my '83 might be interested in
selling.? It has IMF mainsail, recent 130 Genoa, 9.9 outboard, trailer,
solar power and a 12 V chiller.

*Thanks and Stay Well,*
*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Fri, Apr 8, 2022 at 9:11 AM Kim Wann <kayakim57 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello!
> We are interested in purchasing a Rhodes 22 in good condition, preferably
> reconditioned.? We would love to hear from you!
> Thank you!
> Kim and Jim Wann
>

From Joedempsey at hughes.net  Tue Apr 12 16:43:03 2022
From: Joedempsey at hughes.net (Joedempsey at hughes.net)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 16:43:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For Sale
Message-ID: <013a01d84ead$f00aad90$d02008b0$@hughes.net>

 

I have the following items to sell that may be of interest. If you're
interested, contact me offline at joedempsey at hughes.net
<mailto:joedempsey at hughes.net> 

 

Boat Items For Sale on the List

 

Boarding Ladder Holders: Custom made for Rhodes 22 (New)         $15.00

                The holder is made from sturdy composite (Starboard) and
acts as a clip to

                Secure folding portion of the ladder when not in use. No
more tying with cord or

                Velcro straps.

                                  

VHF Radio: Standard Horizon Eclipse (Used- Good condition)           $40.00

            DSC Capable Complete with mounting, all cables and manual.

                        

4 Pin Deck Mount Connector and Plug: Sea Dog (New)
$20.00

                Replacement for GBI installed connector for mast wires. Two
wire.

 

            

12 Volt Solar Charge Controller 20 Amp (New)
$15.00

                Prevents solar chargers from over charging batteries. Simple
connection.

            




 

 

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From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 12 18:03:57 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 17:03:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] For Sale
In-Reply-To: <013a01d84ead$f00aad90$d02008b0$@hughes.net>
References: <013a01d84ead$f00aad90$d02008b0$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <0FAC4320-F545-4C19-9747-BA08D8A2BA18@gmail.com>

Joe, message sent 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2022, at 15:43, Joedempsey at hughes.net wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> I have the following items to sell that may be of interest. If you're
> interested, contact me offline at joedempsey at hughes.net
> <mailto:joedempsey at hughes.net> 
> 
> 
> 
> Boat Items For Sale on the List
> 
> 
> 
> Boarding Ladder Holders: Custom made for Rhodes 22 (New)         $15.00
> 
>                The holder is made from sturdy composite (Starboard) and
> acts as a clip to
> 
>                Secure folding portion of the ladder when not in use. No
> more tying with cord or
> 
>                Velcro straps.
> 
> 
> 
> VHF Radio: Standard Horizon Eclipse (Used- Good condition)           $40.00
> 
>            DSC Capable Complete with mounting, all cables and manual.
> 
> 
> 
> 4 Pin Deck Mount Connector and Plug: Sea Dog (New)
> $20.00
> 
>                Replacement for GBI installed connector for mast wires. Two
> wire.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 12 Volt Solar Charge Controller 20 Amp (New)
> $15.00
> 
>                Prevents solar chargers from over charging batteries. Simple
> connection.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From Joedempsey at hughes.net  Wed Apr 13 15:58:40 2022
From: Joedempsey at hughes.net (Joedempsey at hughes.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 15:58:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] RHODIE GEAR
Message-ID: <029d01d84f70$e466e670$ad34b350$@hughes.net>

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From lgioia at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 17 21:43:09 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 01:43:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Anyone using a propane-powered outboard?
In-Reply-To: <029d01d84f70$e466e670$ad34b350$@hughes.net>
References: <029d01d84f70$e466e670$ad34b350$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <1203169106.659685.1650246189548@mail.yahoo.com>

 Just wondering if anyone has any experience with a propane-powered outboard, as an example:??https://onlineoutboards.com/collections/outboard-motors/products/2022-mercury-5-hp-5mlha-sail-power-outboard-motor
??Thanks!???Larry
'14 R22 Language of LoveLake George, NY
   
  

From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 19:21:59 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (R Brown)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 18:21:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boarding ladder replacement
Message-ID: <712756BD-AEE5-474F-BF1E-E52C13D22ACE@me.com>

Good evening all, would someone be able to measure their OEM boarding ladder and share the specs?  My boat did not have one when I purchased her this winter.  Any suggestions on an aftermarket replacement would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Rodney 

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Tue Apr 19 12:58:26 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:58:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boarding ladder replacement
In-Reply-To: <712756BD-AEE5-474F-BF1E-E52C13D22ACE@me.com>
References: <712756BD-AEE5-474F-BF1E-E52C13D22ACE@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAE=nNp=0qivAr17CJ4YT-jB8vzw2nRO-unuX6Q_jExzMAA@mail.gmail.com>

Rodney,

See attached Rhodes with the blue hull.

The ladder is 37" by 14" with the rungs 12" apart.  The exact size isn't
that important but to secure it in its up position you'll want to ensure
that it aligns with the clip on the stern rail.  I'm sure there are
plenty of other swim ladders that would work.

If you have an older stern railing without the opening for the ladder
you'll have to climb over or under the railing to access the ladder, which
is no big deal.  See attached Rhodes with the red hull.

Good luck!

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  At Ease
Claytor Lake, VA

On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 7:22 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Good evening all, would someone be able to measure their OEM boarding
> ladder and share the specs?  My boat did not have one when I purchased her
> this winter.  Any suggestions on an aftermarket replacement would be
> greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney
>
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 13:17:21 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 13:17:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmkoyTvj=CiLn0gTi=spMVvRBONrb6GDREfXAw0D=j1mEA@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Mon Apr 25 13:56:32 2022
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 17:56:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmkoyTvj=CiLn0gTi=spMVvRBONrb6GDREfXAw0D=j1mEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmkoyTvj=CiLn0gTi=spMVvRBONrb6GDREfXAw0D=j1mEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <976149659.652117.1650909392205@mail.yahoo.com>

here in NC sailing?


-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2022 1:17 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6

Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From ric at stottarchitecture.com  Mon Apr 25 14:00:33 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 14:00:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
In-Reply-To: <976149659.652117.1650909392205@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAM0HAmkoyTvj=CiLn0gTi=spMVvRBONrb6GDREfXAw0D=j1mEA@mail.gmail.com>
 <976149659.652117.1650909392205@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2807EC4D-6338-445A-91BC-3B9459A2CCBD@stottarchitecture.com>

Here , but busy.
2022 Projects 
Replace battery wiring
New Cabin Flooring 
Bottom paint 
Alteration/Repair to Stern Rail 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164



> On Apr 25, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> 
> here in NC sailing 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2022 1:17 pm
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
> 
> Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 14:55:59 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 14:55:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXMuM3KMhoe63R3BEkZgvsXgoynSFAGTH4NWVP8dMDYRg@mail.gmail.com>

Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our
Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.  The link will connect you to the journal
which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.  So when you find time
not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s/view?usp=sharing

Chris & Alice Geankoplis
Enosis

From gramille at tds.net  Mon Apr 25 15:23:56 2022
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:23:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
In-Reply-To: <2807EC4D-6338-445A-91BC-3B9459A2CCBD@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <2807EC4D-6338-445A-91BC-3B9459A2CCBD@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <3D90257B-6AA4-4139-86A6-9BDCE0768B09@tds.net>

Yes Geoff,
Busy getting ready to splash by  this weekend I hope.
I have a question for the group though.
Is there a need for Zincs for a Rhodes 22 only used 6 months a year in freshwater. If so where do they go?
Cheers
Graham Parker
?00 Sailin?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Here , but busy.
> 2022 Projects 
> Replace battery wiring
> New Cabin Flooring 
> Bottom paint 
> Alteration/Repair to Stern Rail 
> 
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>> 
>> here in NC sailing 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2022 1:17 pm
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
>> 
>> Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>> 732-236-1368
> 


From bgarrant at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 15:34:40 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:34:40 +0100
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmkoyTvj=CiLn0gTi=spMVvRBONrb6GDREfXAw0D=j1mEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmkoyTvj=CiLn0gTi=spMVvRBONrb6GDREfXAw0D=j1mEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBAaBg=W3y5vy3Gh=sUh=Cjp-ha8rQcytb+qBkxW427vvA@mail.gmail.com>

Here ? in Ireland actually this week but launched Sail la Vie at kent
island two weeks ago.
Can?t wait to get back and start splashing around a bit

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 6:17 PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From sea20 at verizon.net  Mon Apr 25 20:19:13 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:19:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBAaBg=W3y5vy3Gh=sUh=Cjp-ha8rQcytb+qBkxW427vvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPi3tBAaBg=W3y5vy3Gh=sUh=Cjp-ha8rQcytb+qBkxW427vvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC746B96-C4ED-43FF-A092-3C5E33C1D508@verizon.net>

Painting bottom, installing shore power, trying for 5/2/22 launch.
Scott & Rebecca 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2022, at 3:34 PM, Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Here ? in Ireland actually this week but launched Sail la Vie at kent
> island two weeks ago.
> Can?t wait to get back and start splashing around a bit
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 6:17 PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
>> 732-236-1368
>> 


From rweiss at siu.edu  Mon Apr 25 20:28:47 2022
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 00:28:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
In-Reply-To: <3D90257B-6AA4-4139-86A6-9BDCE0768B09@tds.net>
References: <2807EC4D-6338-445A-91BC-3B9459A2CCBD@stottarchitecture.com>
 <3D90257B-6AA4-4139-86A6-9BDCE0768B09@tds.net>
Message-ID: <CH0PR07MB837805DB8519A8EF10263C24C6FB9@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Have sailed 4 times so far, including once with 3 grandsons and their parents for a total of 9 on Beach Spring. Going again tomorrow.
Bob
Beach Spring
Recycled 2014



[cid:5abeb96c-c9ae-4575-bb0f-79e80a7995af]

Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:23 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6

[EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.

Yes Geoff,
Busy getting ready to splash by  this weekend I hope.
I have a question for the group though.
Is there a need for Zincs for a Rhodes 22 only used 6 months a year in freshwater. If so where do they go?
Cheers
Graham Parker
?00 Sailin?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
> ?Here , but busy.
> 2022 Projects
> Replace battery wiring
> New Cabin Flooring
> Bottom paint
> Alteration/Repair to Stern Rail
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
>> On Apr 25, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> here in NC sailing
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2022 1:17 pm
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
>>
>> Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?
>>
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=05%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7Cc847459c739e47f4da7208da26f126ba%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C637865114730337295%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Wz0BvSFEuBAVyhW2AwIJzCUzDdmmJGIYXF%2F8vn8sNWs%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> 732-236-1368
>

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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 21:06:18 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 20:06:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXMuM3KMhoe63R3BEkZgvsXgoynSFAGTH4NWVP8dMDYRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXMuM3KMhoe63R3BEkZgvsXgoynSFAGTH4NWVP8dMDYRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpvp7s+t-68bS3XFmtoT65JuNrJ7s85aC39MrdZuaDbMg@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, thanks for sharing!  Once I saw you posted this I was looking
forward to reading it tonight.  Per usual, this edition of the travelogue
had interesting history, entertaining first hand stories and beautiful
photos.  I'm looking forward to hearing about the Aegean crossing...

Do you happen to enjoy Bill Bryson books?  I enjoy reading about travel
(helps fill the gap between going on trips) and your travelogues remind me
of what he would write if he knew how to sail.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 1:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our
> Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.  The link will connect you to the journal
> which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.  So when you find time
> not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s/view?usp=sharing
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> Enosis
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 22:11:36 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 22:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fpvp7s+t-68bS3XFmtoT65JuNrJ7s85aC39MrdZuaDbMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXMuM3KMhoe63R3BEkZgvsXgoynSFAGTH4NWVP8dMDYRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc-3fpvp7s+t-68bS3XFmtoT65JuNrJ7s85aC39MrdZuaDbMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWGWVXJj99K8OmvuYjcxEk3CcvKSNXeBfTQ4P6nf8QGsA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your kinds. Makes me smile when people enjoy and understand my
eclectic inclusions.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 9:06 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, thanks for sharing!  Once I saw you posted this I was looking
> forward to reading it tonight.  Per usual, this edition of the travelogue
> had interesting history, entertaining first hand stories and beautiful
> photos.  I'm looking forward to hearing about the Aegean crossing...
>
> Do you happen to enjoy Bill Bryson books?  I enjoy reading about travel
> (helps fill the gap between going on trips) and your travelogues remind me
> of what he would write if he knew how to sail.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 1:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our
> > Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.  The link will connect you to the journal
> > which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.  So when you find
> time
> > not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.
> >
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Apr 25 22:14:31 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 22:14:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB837805DB8519A8EF10263C24C6FB9@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2807EC4D-6338-445A-91BC-3B9459A2CCBD@stottarchitecture.com>
 <3D90257B-6AA4-4139-86A6-9BDCE0768B09@tds.net>
 <CH0PR07MB837805DB8519A8EF10263C24C6FB9@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVaFx_Z_PnbK4sSw7mU_gqNV0=kxBWuJU8KCjO7f5iayA@mail.gmail.com>

Working our way up the ICW. Mostly inside and a lot of mothering except
when sailing outside Fl to SC. Miss my Rhodes.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 8:28 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Have sailed 4 times so far, including once with 3 grandsons and their
> parents for a total of 9 on Beach Spring. Going again tomorrow.
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> Recycled 2014
>
>
>
> [cid:5abeb96c-c9ae-4575-bb0f-79e80a7995af]
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:23 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> Yes Geoff,
> Busy getting ready to splash by  this weekend I hope.
> I have a question for the group though.
> Is there a need for Zincs for a Rhodes 22 only used 6 months a year in
> freshwater. If so where do they go?
> Cheers
> Graham Parker
> ?00 Sailin?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 25, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Here , but busy.
> > 2022 Projects
> > Replace battery wiring
> > New Cabin Flooring
> > Bottom paint
> > Alteration/Repair to Stern Rail
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 25, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> here in NC sailing
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2022 1:17 pm
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
> >>
> >> Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Jeff Smith
> >>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=05%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7Cc847459c739e47f4da7208da26f126ba%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C637865114730337295%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Wz0BvSFEuBAVyhW2AwIJzCUzDdmmJGIYXF%2F8vn8sNWs%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> 732-236-1368
> >
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From snstaum at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 06:21:02 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 06:21:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
In-Reply-To: <3D90257B-6AA4-4139-86A6-9BDCE0768B09@tds.net>
References: <2807EC4D-6338-445A-91BC-3B9459A2CCBD@stottarchitecture.com>
 <3D90257B-6AA4-4139-86A6-9BDCE0768B09@tds.net>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjc4Ot+YVJ-W-Bbrqh2fpMaTcqMr0oOT7ye-+guTOgUyvQ@mail.gmail.com>

No zincs needed.  I am scheduled to launch 5/5.  Raising the mast this
weekend.  Just finishing the tiller refinish.  More to do...

*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 3:24 PM Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net> wrote:

> Yes Geoff,
> Busy getting ready to splash by  this weekend I hope.
> I have a question for the group though.
> Is there a need for Zincs for a Rhodes 22 only used 6 months a year in
> freshwater. If so where do they go?
> Cheers
> Graham Parker
> ?00 Sailin?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 25, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Here , but busy.
> > 2022 Projects
> > Replace battery wiring
> > New Cabin Flooring
> > Bottom paint
> > Alteration/Repair to Stern Rail
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 25, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> here in NC sailing
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2022 1:17 pm
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
> >>
> >> Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Jeff Smith
> >> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> >> 732-236-1368
> >
>
>

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 08:24:34 2022
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 08:24:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
Message-ID: <CAFTyJNVHKc2Axa7qs9bveb8wBQFnaortSDCPS_BqO6MuiwdqeA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast
that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube
need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]
[image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]
if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be
appreciated! I've attached some photos.
Mitch
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From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Tue Apr 26 08:54:00 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 08:54:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVaFx_Z_PnbK4sSw7mU_gqNV0=kxBWuJU8KCjO7f5iayA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2807EC4D-6338-445A-91BC-3B9459A2CCBD@stottarchitecture.com>
 <3D90257B-6AA4-4139-86A6-9BDCE0768B09@tds.net>
 <CH0PR07MB837805DB8519A8EF10263C24C6FB9@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
 <CADNTwiVaFx_Z_PnbK4sSw7mU_gqNV0=kxBWuJU8KCjO7f5iayA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02b301d8596c$b3de25d0$1b9a7170$@ca>

I hope to launch latter this week.


Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 10:15 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List; Weiss, Robert L
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6

Working our way up the ICW. Mostly inside and a lot of mothering except
when sailing outside Fl to SC. Miss my Rhodes.

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 8:28 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Have sailed 4 times so far, including once with 3 grandsons and their
> parents for a total of 9 on Beach Spring. Going again tomorrow.
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> Recycled 2014
>
>
>
> [cid:5abeb96c-c9ae-4575-bb0f-79e80a7995af]
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:23 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> Yes Geoff,
> Busy getting ready to splash by  this weekend I hope.
> I have a question for the group though.
> Is there a need for Zincs for a Rhodes 22 only used 6 months a year in
> freshwater. If so where do they go?
> Cheers
> Graham Parker
> ?00 Sailin?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 25, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Here , but busy.
> > 2022 Projects
> > Replace battery wiring
> > New Cabin Flooring
> > Bottom paint
> > Alteration/Repair to Stern Rail
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 25, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> here in NC sailing
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2022 1:17 pm
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
> >>
> >> Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Jeff Smith
> >>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=05%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7Cc847459c739e47f4da7208da26f126ba%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C637865114730337295%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Wz0BvSFEuBAVyhW2AwIJzCUzDdmmJGIYXF%2F8vn8sNWs%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> 732-236-1368
> >
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From rlowe at vt.edu  Tue Apr 26 08:54:17 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 12:54:17 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXMuM3KMhoe63R3BEkZgvsXgoynSFAGTH4NWVP8dMDYRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXMuM3KMhoe63R3BEkZgvsXgoynSFAGTH4NWVP8dMDYRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR05MB698520068C7F26B7D6F4E561C1FB9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Chris,
I love reading about your and Alice's adventures!  The way you are able to include ancient history, your past history, and now your father's is really enjoyable to read.  One thing I did note, I was not able to get the imbedded links to work.  But please keep the journal's coming! Thanks - rob


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:56 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4

Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.  The link will connect you to the journal which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.  So when you find time not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.

https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu%7C271e97481cf44d0b654908da26ed4682%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C637865098222598494%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Q9WEWOcoV%2FbXP79qxY%2BsgSZuz8shREzJPaI1GziAOGA%3D&amp;reserved=0

Chris & Alice Geankoplis
Enosis

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue Apr 26 09:15:25 2022
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:15:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAFTyJNVHKc2Axa7qs9bveb8wBQFnaortSDCPS_BqO6MuiwdqeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFTyJNVHKc2Axa7qs9bveb8wBQFnaortSDCPS_BqO6MuiwdqeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1434530953.773409.1650978925367@mail.yahoo.com>

Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles contact info and send it to you .? ?Mark?


-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement

Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast
that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube
need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]
[image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]
if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be
appreciated! I've attached some photos.
Mitch
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Apr 26 09:28:43 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 06:28:43 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
Message-ID: <E1njLFD-00FSxk-KL@s152.servername.online>

Mitch,

I'm confused by your pictures.  There isn't a wire rope in the IMF assembly, so, maybe those are pictures of a jib furler?  

In any event that wire needs to be replaced.  One of the pictures clearly shows that a few strands have broken at the end fitting.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-04-26, at 08:24:34 EDT, Mitch Mitchell wrote:
>
> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast that I 
> picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube need to be 
> replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg] [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg] 
> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be 
> appreciated! I've attached some photos. 
> Mitch
> 



From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Tue Apr 26 09:35:26 2022
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 13:35:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
In-Reply-To: <E1njLFD-00FSxk-KL@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1njLFD-00FSxk-KL@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <2095590665.823379.1650980126916@mail.yahoo.com>

I agree that pic looked like Jib furler, IMF has tube not not forestay Mark


-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 9:28 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement

Mitch,

I'm confused by your pictures.? There isn't a wire rope in the IMF assembly, so, maybe those are pictures of a jib furler?? 

In any event that wire needs to be replaced.? One of the pictures clearly shows that a few strands have broken at the end fitting.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-04-26, at 08:24:34 EDT, Mitch Mitchell wrote:
>
> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast that I 
> picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube need to be 
> replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg] [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg] 
> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be 
> appreciated! I've attached some photos. 
> Mitch
> 



From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 09:58:24 2022
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 06:58:24 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
In-Reply-To: <CH0PR07MB837805DB8519A8EF10263C24C6FB9@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
References: <2807EC4D-6338-445A-91BC-3B9459A2CCBD@stottarchitecture.com>
 <3D90257B-6AA4-4139-86A6-9BDCE0768B09@tds.net>
 <CH0PR07MB837805DB8519A8EF10263C24C6FB9@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuNmWSnZV6+SKhy6T4M-q6GNoR6b-rvLAo=zp=GQhxxM3g@mail.gmail.com>

Launching May 6 - looks as if we are going to be at full pool.

Does anyone have exact length of forestay for IMF mast and for non- IMF
mast?  Am I correct in understanding that the IMF mast rotates around mast
bolt while the non-IMF mast bends when mast is raked?

Cheers,
 Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo

On Mon, Apr 25, 2022, 5:28 PM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> Have sailed 4 times so far, including once with 3 grandsons and their
> parents for a total of 9 on Beach Spring. Going again tomorrow.
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> Recycled 2014
>
>
>
> [cid:5abeb96c-c9ae-4575-bb0f-79e80a7995af]
>
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> ________________________________
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of
> Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:23 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
>
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments.
>
> Yes Geoff,
> Busy getting ready to splash by  this weekend I hope.
> I have a question for the group though.
> Is there a need for Zincs for a Rhodes 22 only used 6 months a year in
> freshwater. If so where do they go?
> Cheers
> Graham Parker
> ?00 Sailin?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 25, 2022, at 2:00 PM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Here , but busy.
> > 2022 Projects
> > Replace battery wiring
> > New Cabin Flooring
> > Bottom paint
> > Alteration/Repair to Stern Rail
> >
> > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> > ric at stottarchitecture.com
> > O -631-283-1777
> > C- 516-965-3164
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 25, 2022, at 1:56 PM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> here in NC sailing
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> >> Sent: Mon, Apr 25, 2022 1:17 pm
> >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Testing 4, 5,6
> >>
> >> Anyone out there or are we all busy working on our boats?
> >>
> >> Best Regards
> >> Jeff Smith
> >>
> https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.http%2F%2FJeffSmithPhoto.Net&amp;data=05%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7Cc847459c739e47f4da7208da26f126ba%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C637865114730337295%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Wz0BvSFEuBAVyhW2AwIJzCUzDdmmJGIYXF%2F8vn8sNWs%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >> 732-236-1368
> >
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Apr 26 12:53:00 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2022 12:53:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR05MB698520068C7F26B7D6F4E561C1FB9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CADNTwiXMuM3KMhoe63R3BEkZgvsXgoynSFAGTH4NWVP8dMDYRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <DM6PR05MB698520068C7F26B7D6F4E561C1FB9@DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUO9-Ch_ioxetL5K19+eYiNzA12nHO-Og5n9rkOVRfjhA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks rob. I?ll try to fix the links, somehow.

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 8:54 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Chris,
> I love reading about your and Alice's adventures!  The way you are able to
> include ancient history, your past history, and now your father's is really
> enjoyable to read.  One thing I did note, I was not able to get the
> imbedded links to work.  But please keep the journal's coming! Thanks - rob
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2022 2:56 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4
>
> Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our
> Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.  The link will connect you to the journal
> which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.  So when you find time
> not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.
>
>
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=05%7C01%7Crlowe%40vt.edu%7C271e97481cf44d0b654908da26ed4682%7C6095688410ad40fa863d4f32c1e3a37a%7C0%7C0%7C637865098222598494%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=Q9WEWOcoV%2FbXP79qxY%2BsgSZuz8shREzJPaI1GziAOGA%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> Enosis
>

From cjlowe at sssnet.com  Wed Apr 27 01:13:25 2022
From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 01:13:25 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
In-Reply-To: <1434530953.773409.1650978925367@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAFTyJNVHKc2Axa7qs9bveb8wBQFnaortSDCPS_BqO6MuiwdqeA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1434530953.773409.1650978925367@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49444.24.140.30.102.1651036405.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>

  If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I
had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and
still have a set left.

 Jerry Lowe
  S/V Country Rhodes '86





 Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles
> contact info and send it to you .?? ??Mark??
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
>
> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast
> that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube
> need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]
> [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]
> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be
> appreciated! I've attached some photos.
> Mitch
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 06:49:34 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 06:49:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
In-Reply-To: <49444.24.140.30.102.1651036405.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <CAFTyJNVHKc2Axa7qs9bveb8wBQFnaortSDCPS_BqO6MuiwdqeA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1434530953.773409.1650978925367@mail.yahoo.com>
 <49444.24.140.30.102.1651036405.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXiissY8Ntr9Szi00sw_F3dGVfwaaA6q2oeRWdyYmnwzw@mail.gmail.com>

Mitch, Just wondering. The images are of the bushings for jib furling tube
rather than the in mast furling system. Though similar, they are not quite
the same as I recall. Just sayin?.

Chris Geankoplis
Enosis

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 1:13 AM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:

>   If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I
> had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and
> still have a set left.
>
>  Jerry Lowe
>   S/V Country Rhodes '86
>
>
>
>
>
>  Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles
> > contact info and send it to you .   Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> > To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
> >
> > Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast
> > that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube
> > need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]
> > [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]
> > if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be
> > appreciated! I've attached some photos.
> > Mitch
> > -------------- next part --------------
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> >
>
>
>

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 06:50:46 2022
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 06:50:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
In-Reply-To: <49444.24.140.30.102.1651036405.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
References: <49444.24.140.30.102.1651036405.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com>
Message-ID: <948C8EA0-FF96-4081-9077-10B31C3C7DD4@gmail.com>

Thanks Mark and thanks Jerry, that would be awesome!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2022, at 1:13 AM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote:
> 
> ?  If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I
> had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and
> still have a set left.
> 
> Jerry Lowe
>  S/V Country Rhodes '86
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles
>> contact info and send it to you .   Mark 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
>> To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
>> 
>> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast
>> that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube
>> need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]
>> [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]
>> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be
>> appreciated! I've attached some photos.
>> Mitch
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> 
> 

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 06:53:13 2022
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 06:53:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXiissY8Ntr9Szi00sw_F3dGVfwaaA6q2oeRWdyYmnwzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXiissY8Ntr9Szi00sw_F3dGVfwaaA6q2oeRWdyYmnwzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9AEA95D7-19A8-4336-8E9E-9377A0CEC0F1@gmail.com>

Your absolutely right! I misspoke! It is from the furling tube!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2022, at 6:49 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mitch, Just wondering. The images are of the bushings for jib furling tube
> rather than the in mast furling system. Though similar, they are not quite
> the same as I recall. Just sayin?.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 1:13 AM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I
>> had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and
>> still have a set left.
>> 
>> Jerry Lowe
>>  S/V Country Rhodes '86
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles
>>> contact info and send it to you .   Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
>>> To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
>>> 
>>> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast
>>> that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube
>>> need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]
>>> [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]
>>> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be
>>> appreciated! I've attached some photos.
>>> Mitch
>>> -------------- next part --------------
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>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

From keywestseccorp at verizon.net  Wed Apr 27 09:26:27 2022
From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:26:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
In-Reply-To: <9AEA95D7-19A8-4336-8E9E-9377A0CEC0F1@gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXiissY8Ntr9Szi00sw_F3dGVfwaaA6q2oeRWdyYmnwzw@mail.gmail.com>
 <9AEA95D7-19A8-4336-8E9E-9377A0CEC0F1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1555052565.1074674.1651065987461@mail.yahoo.com>

to get parts e mail Stan at General Boats or Charles at? ?charles.gabriel at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2022 6:53 am
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement

Your absolutely right! I misspoke! It is from the furling tube!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2022, at 6:49 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mitch, Just wondering. The images are of the bushings for jib furling tube
> rather than the in mast furling system. Though similar, they are not quite
> the same as I recall. Just sayin?.
> 
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 1:13 AM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:
>> 
>>? If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I
>> had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and
>> still have a set left.
>> 
>> Jerry Lowe
>>? S/V Country Rhodes '86
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles
>>> contact info and send it to you .? Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
>>> To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am
>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
>>> 
>>> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast
>>> that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube
>>> need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]
>>> [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]
>>> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be
>>> appreciated! I've attached some photos.
>>> Mitch
>>> -------------- next part --------------
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>>> <
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>>> 
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>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 

From rweiss at siu.edu  Wed Apr 27 09:41:38 2022
From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:41:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking
Message-ID: <CH0PR07MB83787A8290F064323E1CFA55C6FA9@CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems. This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding. I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as smooth as it used to be.

Thanks for your help.
Bob
Beach Spring
1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014



Robert L Weiss Jr.
Director of Music
First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
Professor Emeritus, SIUC

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 09:48:56 2022
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:48:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
In-Reply-To: <2095590665.823379.1650980126916@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <E1njLFD-00FSxk-KL@s152.servername.online>
 <2095590665.823379.1650980126916@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFTyJNWOtMb1MTY2AT9KyVtZipQwZaEM8qRyTu+hm2BUzEzKOw@mail.gmail.com>

Yep, thanks Peter - I am planning on replacing all of the wires as well. It
did seem like the larger bushing inside the mast was in good shape. Thanks,
MM

On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:

> I agree that pic looked like Jib furler, IMF has tube not not forestay Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 9:28 am
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
>
> Mitch,
>
> I'm confused by your pictures.  There isn't a wire rope in the IMF
> assembly, so, maybe those are pictures of a jib furler?
>
> In any event that wire needs to be replaced.  One of the pictures clearly
> shows that a few strands have broken at the end fitting.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-04-26, at 08:24:34 EDT, Mitch Mitchell wrote:
> >
> > Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast
> that I
> > picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube need
> to be
> > replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg] [image: Rhodes
> 22-5.jpg]
> > if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be
> > appreciated! I've attached some photos.
> > Mitch
> >
>
>
>

From hnw555 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 10:18:18 2022
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:18:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAFTyJNWOtMb1MTY2AT9KyVtZipQwZaEM8qRyTu+hm2BUzEzKOw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <E1njLFD-00FSxk-KL@s152.servername.online>
 <2095590665.823379.1650980126916@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CAFTyJNWOtMb1MTY2AT9KyVtZipQwZaEM8qRyTu+hm2BUzEzKOw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMCYYLJ0MYKgLVWMF11VuVyyJ6gEvSOQ+9KtDC9Ej-cqhQ@mail.gmail.com>

The only wires on the boat all conduct electricity.  What you are talking
about are the stays, also known as the standing rigging. The running
rigging is your lines used to control the sail such as the halyards (which
you may or may not even have depending on how your boat is configured) and
the sheets.

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:49 AM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yep, thanks Peter - I am planning on replacing all of the wires as well. It
> did seem like the larger bushing inside the mast was in good shape. Thanks,
> MM
>
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> > I agree that pic looked like Jib furler, IMF has tube not not forestay
> Mark
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 9:28 am
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
> >
> > Mitch,
> >
> > I'm confused by your pictures.  There isn't a wire rope in the IMF
> > assembly, so, maybe those are pictures of a jib furler?
> >
> > In any event that wire needs to be replaced.  One of the pictures clearly
> > shows that a few strands have broken at the end fitting.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> > > On 2022-04-26, at 08:24:34 EDT, Mitch Mitchell wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast
> > that I
> > > picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube need
> > to be
> > > replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg] [image: Rhodes
> > 22-5.jpg]
> > > if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be
> > > appreciated! I've attached some photos.
> > > Mitch
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 11:40:43 2022
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:40:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXMuM3KMhoe63R3BEkZgvsXgoynSFAGTH4NWVP8dMDYRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXMuM3KMhoe63R3BEkZgvsXgoynSFAGTH4NWVP8dMDYRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrO9mtuUR8rSL=VgKSuHLz5G-6i7R+rvexaurMiJe6zUXMp+g@mail.gmail.com>

Chris
Loved this latest installment. Great pictures, great history.
I was struck that your pictures of the streets in Monemvasia are similar to
the small streets and byways in parts of Jerusalem...Perhaps both are
remnants of the work of ancient roman builders...or that just how things
were always built around the mediterranean.

Say....how about you do a similar travelog on your trip up the ICW?

--Reuben

Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our
> Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.  The link will connect you to the journal
> which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.  So when you find time
> not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s/view?usp=sharing
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> Enosis
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Wed Apr 27 22:21:44 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:21:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9mtuUR8rSL=VgKSuHLz5G-6i7R+rvexaurMiJe6zUXMp+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiXMuM3KMhoe63R3BEkZgvsXgoynSFAGTH4NWVP8dMDYRg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHrO9mtuUR8rSL=VgKSuHLz5G-6i7R+rvexaurMiJe6zUXMp+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiX2JoiP8O-r5wTSxw7iod23cz02fbUPGm+BSUNVmk3MVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Reuben,
The layout is strictly Byzantine in Monemvasia. No pre-existing Roman
templates. But the Western then Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantines)
controlled and built in Jerusalem for 700 years.  So no doubt some
overlapping architecture.

Aw I think Alice and I will just mosey our way north and take a break from
journaling. I?ve still got  something like 12 more weeks of Rhodes in the
Med. By the time I?m done, we will be back in FL. Grin.
Chris & Alice

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:41 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris
> Loved this latest installment. Great pictures, great history.
> I was struck that your pictures of the streets in Monemvasia are similar to
> the small streets and byways in parts of Jerusalem...Perhaps both are
> remnants of the work of ancient roman builders...or that just how things
> were always built around the mediterranean.
>
> Say....how about you do a similar travelog on your trip up the ICW?
>
> --Reuben
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our
> > Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.  The link will connect you to the journal
> > which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.  So when you find
> time
> > not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.
> >
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> >
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Apr 28 11:07:23 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:07:23 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking
Message-ID: <E1nk5jn-006EaI-Fp@s152.servername.online>

Bob,

Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.  My only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has loosened somewhere.  If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need to pull the IMF out a few feet.  If it's at the top, the you'll have to pull out the whole thing.

It's been my experience that when something is not working right, sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the problem.

Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:
>
> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems. 
> This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to pull out the 
> block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure the locknut on that 
> bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut back on is difficult. However, 
> my sail now sticks a couple times when pulling it out. Never had this problem in 
> the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding. 
> I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as smooth as it 
> used to be. 
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
> 
> 
> 
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> 


From rlowe at vt.edu  Thu Apr 28 11:18:01 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:18:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking
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Bob,
You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.  Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts inside the IMF.  But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking

Bob,

Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.  My only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has loosened somewhere.  If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need to pull the IMF out a few feet.  If it's at the top, the you'll have to pull out the whole thing.

It's been my experience that when something is not working right, sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the problem.

Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:
>
> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems. 
> This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to 
> pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure 
> the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut 
> back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when 
> pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.
> I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as 
> smooth as it used to be.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> Bob
> Beach Spring
> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
> 
> 
> 
> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> Director of Music
> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> 


From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 12:21:30 2022
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:21:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking
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Robert, I had a very similar problem with my IMF. I kept applying the
sailkote which eased the problem somewhat  but it kept getting worse. I
pulled the system out at the end of the year after I pulled the boat for
the season. The problem was that one of the spacers had split and broken
off. I guess it jammed the movement of the system sparoticaly. I contacted
General Boats and found they did not sell just the replacement piece I
needed. They only sell the entire assembly. Which I think was $300 plus and
took months and months to receive after I ordered it. If you have the tools
and skills you can make the part. It consists of STARBOARD and stainless
steel screws and bolts. These parts are not under much stress, so I guess
it is just heat from the sun and inside the mast that makes it brittle.
Here is hoping it is something simple. Good Luck.
Cary Tolbert
S/V Whisper
Claytor Lake VA

On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:18 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:

> Bob,
> You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.
> Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts
> inside the IMF.  But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking
>
> Bob,
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than
> dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.  My
> only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has
> loosened somewhere.  If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need
> to pull the IMF out a few feet.  If it's at the top, the you'll have to
> pull out the whole thing.
>
> It's been my experience that when something is not working right,
> sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the
> problem.
>
> Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:
> >
> > I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few
> problems.
> > This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to
> > pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure
> > the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut
> > back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when
> > pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for
> what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.
> > I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as
> > smooth as it used to be.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> > Bob
> > Beach Spring
> > 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
> >
> >
> >
> > Robert L Weiss Jr.
> > Director of Music
> > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> > Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> >
>
>

From stan at generalboats.com  Thu Apr 28 12:33:09 2022
From: stan at generalboats.com (stan)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:33:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking
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Dear ROC member Bob,

Please *do not* lubricate your IMF system.? Contact me directly.? As 
Peter implies, unless someone bent your mast in half, it will not be 
something that You and I (and dollar Bill if it */is/* a broken mast), 
can't fix.

stan

On 4/28/22 11:18 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
> Bob,
> You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.  Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts inside the IMF.  But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.
>
> Rob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AM
> To:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking
>
> Bob,
>
> Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.  My only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has loosened somewhere.  If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need to pull the IMF out a few feet.  If it's at the top, the you'll have to pull out the whole thing.
>
> It's been my experience that when something is not working right, sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the problem.
>
> Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:
>>
>> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems.
>> This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to
>> pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure
>> the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut
>> back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when
>> pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.
>> I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as
>> smooth as it used to be.
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Bob
>> Beach Spring
>> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert L Weiss Jr.
>> Director of Music
>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
>>




From pbryanriley at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 12:59:33 2022
From: pbryanriley at gmail.com (PBR)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking
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Bob,
I once replaced one of the screws in that block with one that was a bit too
long and unknowingly contacted the furling tube, causing some sticking.
Could be that if you changed any parts.
Patrick


On Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 12:33 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Dear ROC member Bob,
>
> Please *do not* lubricate your IMF system.  Contact me directly.  As
> Peter implies, unless someone bent your mast in half, it will not be
> something that You and I (and dollar Bill if it */is/* a broken mast),
> can't fix.
>
> stan
>
> On 4/28/22 11:18 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:
> > Bob,
> > You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.
> Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts
> inside the IMF.  But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>  On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AM
> > To:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than
> dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.  My
> only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has
> loosened somewhere.  If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need
> to pull the IMF out a few feet.  If it's at the top, the you'll have to
> pull out the whole thing.
> >
> > It's been my experience that when something is not working right,
> sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the
> problem.
> >
> > Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:
> >>
> >> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few
> problems.
> >> This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to
> >> pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure
> >> the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut
> >> back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when
> >> pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for
> what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.
> >> I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as
> >> smooth as it used to be.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your help.
> >> Bob
> >> Beach Spring
> >> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Robert L Weiss Jr.
> >> Director of Music
> >> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL
> >> Professor Emeritus, SIUC
> >>
>
>
>
>

From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Thu Apr 28 17:48:22 2022
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Bob Cohen)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 17:48:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
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Dennis -

I am just now getting around to reading this very interesting conversation.

My wife (who is from Detroit) and I live in West Virginia but we have a summer house in Arcadia, MI.  A few years ago we bought our first sailboat - a 2007 Rhodes 22 - which we keep in Onekama on Portage Lake, with water access to Lake Michigan.  We are novices and would like to sail with others who have Rhodes experience.

If you should want to come Up North this summer, we would welcome you and your wife to sail with us.  I can be reached at bobfcohen at gmail.com. 

Bob Cohen
s/v Silver Bay

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Dennis McNeely
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:13 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?

Thanks for the invitation Stephen! 

We still have Magic Moments, our '86 Rhodes 22, but it has been spending most of its time hanging in our boat lift. I started some galley retrofits in an effort to interest Sandi in sailing, but it was not to be, so now I work on the boat from time to time, and when the wind is right for a broad reach over to Canada and back I'll drop her in the water and head out. I still love the magic moment when I silence the motor and the wind begins to drive the boat. <sigh>

But... the trawler presents other opportunities for Sandi and I, and will better deal with some of Mother Nature's silliness when she blows up 4 - 6 foot waves on the lake with little notice.  

And so I lurk here on DaList - sailing vicariously with all of you!

Dennis
S/V Magic Moments
M/V Magic Moments, the Sequel 
   ... and dinghy Magician's Apprentice

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:13 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?

Thanks Dennis.  My wife's first comment when I took her sailing in 2002 on a Pearson 26 (which has a full heavy keel) was:  This is very nice but does it have to tilt like this?
I knew I was in trouble.  The next year we got our first Rhodes 22, an '87 with IMF.  Needless to say, it is far more tender than the Pearson 26 (which was a club boat) so I learned to reef early and often.  We are now on our 3rd Rhodes.  Last year we bought the s/v Pinafore, a '90 that was refurbed by Stan in 2016 and sold our beloved Carol Lee 2.  The CL2 was an
'83 that I converted to an IMF main using the mast salvaged from the Carol Lee which swamped and turtled in a hurricane in 2011 and was totaled by Boat US Insurance.  The Pinafore has the fully enclosed head with flush toilet instead of the porta potti, electric motor lift to save my old back and a 2016 (very quiet) 4 stroke Evinrude outboard to make motoring to and from the mooring far more pleasant than our old (but very reliable) screaming 2 stroke.

Also worth mentioning,  my wife Carol does not swim well and is terrified of the water.  I bought her an offshore automatic inflatable life vest when we first started and she has sailed with me almost every weekend since.
The little boat is our on-the-water summer home.  We often sail with the Genoa (now a 130) only and I even reef that if the wind gusts get over 10 knots.  We survived a sudden squall 2 years ago with 70 mph winds and 5 foot seas!  I was tethered at the helm with Carol in the cabin with the pop top down.  It was terrifying but the seaworthiness of the Rhodes 22 (with some credit to the idiot at the helm) carried the day.  Carol even came back and sailed with me the following weekend!

So Dennis, if you want to give the Rhodes another try, come on out to Massachusetts this season and sail with us on the Pinafore.  I don't know if I'll get it together but I am scheduled to launch the first week in May and the launch service continues 7 days a week from 8 am to 9 pm until October 31.  We sail out of the Hingham Shipyard Marina which leads to nicely protected waters and the lovely Boston Harbor Islands.  Best weather is from July through September.  Let me know if and when you want to come.


*Thanks and Stay Well,*

*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*

*Needham, MA*



On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:51 AM Dennis McNeely <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
wrote:

> Salute Stephen -
> I'm on an island in the Detroit River - in Gibraltar, Michigan. I 
> really enjoyed my Rhodes 22, but then I met a lady who didn't deal 
> well with the boat when heeling - so now we have a trawler and I sail 
> a pair of Detroit Diesels. A bit of a bummer, but I'm still out on the 
> water, and she's happy with it!
> Dennis McNeely
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
> Stephen Staum
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:15 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
>
> Dennis that was a great comment.  In addition to performance, I 
> noticed years ago that my lazerette would fill with water when the 
> boat sat stern low on the trailer in my yard (it is a slight hill 
> causing the bow low condition).  It never filled on the mooring as the 
> boat normally sits with the bow lower.
> Where are you from Dennis?
>
>
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dennis McNeely < 
> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Greetings all -
> > One other thought... if you don't have enough weight forward, the 
> > bow of the boat can't provide enough lateral resistance to counter 
> > the force of the sails.
> > Put differently, if too much weight is aft, the wind will push the 
> > sail, mast, and boat forward - but it will also push it sideways.
> > That lateral push is countered by your rudder and centerboard, but 
> > it's also countered by the submerged bow of the boat. If the bow is 
> > too far out of the water or the stern is submerged too much, trying 
> > to balance your rig is a non-starter.
> > Stated differently, if the stern is weighted down and the bow is 
> > riding high, you'll be continually pushed off the wind, because you 
> > won't be able to get the center of effort (the place where the force 
> > of the wind pushes your boat) over the center of resistance (the 
> > spot on the keel where the water resists force from the wind).
> > The tighter you sail to the wind, the worse the effect will become.
> > Having said all the above, I'm back to lurking :) Dennis McNeely
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
> > Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:47 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > Here?s an experiment to determine if you have too much mast rake.
> > Assuming light to moderate wind so you can put up full sail, 
> > establish a close hauled point of sail, and trim both sails as good as possible.
> > Take note of how much weather helm you have.  Assuming you have the 
> > IMF mainsail, reef the mainsail a small amount, say 6 inches.
> > Reestablish a close hauled point of sail and trim the sails as good 
> > as possible.  You should now have less weather helm or maybe neutral 
> > or even lee helm.  Keep reducing mainsail area until you have 
> > eliminated
> all the weather helm.
> >
> > By shortening the forestay, the weather helm can be tuned out of the rig.
> > I like the helm to be neutral to very slight lee helm in light air.
> > As the wind strength builds, the hull is going to heel over no 
> > matter how much rail meat you pile onto the windward rail.  I won?t 
> > go into the physics of why and how; but, the asymmetric wetted shape 
> > of the heeled over hull just naturally generates weather helm.  You 
> > counter this tendency towards weather helm by reducing mainsail 
> > area.  This moves the rig?s center of effort forward and reduces weather helm.
> > You want to leave the foresail at full area as long as you can keep 
> > the boat sailing on her lines and use the mainsail area to balance 
> > the
> helm.
> >
> > In light air, there is very little feel to the helm no matter how 
> > the rig is tuned.  The easiest point of reference is to have the rig 
> > tuned for neutral helm, especially for a novice helmsman.  So, even 
> > though the helmsman isn?t getting any feedback thru the tiller, 
> > he/she knows to simply center the tiller, and the boat will go 
> > straight.  As the wind strength builds and sail area is not reduced, 
> > the hull will begin to heel over, and weather helm will build.  The 
> > helmsman is now getting plenty of feedback thru the tiller.  If the 
> > weather helm gets to be tiresome; then, the mainsail area can always 
> > be reduced to take
> the pressure off the tiller.
> > Even a few degrees of rudder angle off center develops an amazing 
> > amount of drag.  This slows the boat down and reduces pointing 
> > ability.  Remember, the boat is making leeway even when the tiller 
> > is centered, and this leeway is enough for the shoal draft keel, 
> > centerboard, and rudder blade to work together to develop the 
> > required
> lift for the boat to be able to point.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilbrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> > Windows
> >
> > From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:32 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > A couple of things to check:
> >
> > 1.   Is your centerboard all the way down?
> >
> > 2.  Is your rudder blade all the way down?
> >
> > 3.  In 5-15 knots of wind, you should use the mainsheet and traveler 
> > to center the boom.  Make certain the boom is not rising up and 
> > there isn?t too much curl on the leech.  Make certain the mainsail 
> > foot out haul is tight.  Without battens, there is only so much you 
> > can do with mainsail shape; but, this will set you up to do the best 
> > that is
> possible.
> >
> > 4.  Use your backstay adjuster to get the sag out of the forestay.  
> > It takes quite a lot of tension on the backstays to remove the forestay sag.
> > Don?t be afraid of cranking on the backstay adjuster.  A mast head 
> > rig needs the forestay to have little sag in order to properly form 
> > an efficient slot with the mainsail.
> >
> > 5.  Refer to my rig tuning procedure in the archives to adjust the 
> > tension in the standing rigging.
> >
> > The Rhodes 22 sails best to weather if it is regarded like a big 
> > sailing dingy, as upright as possible.  There should be zero to very 
> > slight weather helm.  If you have too much weather helm; then reduce 
> > the
> mast rake angle.
> > ie Make the mast rake more perpendicular to the deck.
> >
> > My guess is you have too much mast rake, which is giving you a lot 
> > of weather helm, and killing your ability to point to weather.
> >
> > Hopefully, these suggestions help.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Hi All,
> > >
> > > Now that I've been sailing my Rhodes for about a year, I'm 
> > > starting to focus on getting the best performance out of her.
> > > While I mostly sail for fun, I do race every couple of weeks and 
> > > want to be more competitive.  In particular, I have found that she 
> > > does not go to
> > windward very well for me.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have a 130 genoa and the IMF mainsail.  Until very recently, I 
> > > have been routing the jib sheets outside of the outer shrouds and 
> > > handrails. That limits how much I can trim the genoa.
> > > Consequently, I can only tack through about 100-120o.
> > >
> > > Recently, I tried running the jib sheets between the outer shrouds 
> > > and the inner shrouds.  That definitely improved my pointing 
> > > ability significantly at the expense of less than optimal headsail 
> > > shape on some off wind points of sail.  However, this 
> > > configuration lets me use my jib cars to adapt to wind strength 
> > > and whether or not I am partially reefed.  I think this will 
> > > retain the ability to use a whisker
> > pole on downwind legs.
> > >
> > > I did briefly try both of the inboard jib sheet fairlead/cleat 
> > > alternatives but using those would seem to require having a second 
> > > set of jib sheets and probably going on the foredeck to switch 
> > > between them after rounding a mark (I often race solo).  Also, 
> > > those options eliminate the ability to control the sheeting angle 
> > > to the clew with the
> > jib cars.
> > >
> > > I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and comments about what you 
> > > have learned about how to optimize your boat's performance.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike McKay
> > > s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> > > Allatoona Lake
> > > Acworth, GA
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>



From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Apr 29 09:02:35 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 13:02:35 +0000
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Hi All,

This thread has gotten a bit off topic from the original topic of improving upwind performance.  To those whose spouses don?t like heeling, get them out on a catamaran and see what they think.  & I don?t mean a small beachable cat either.  Beach cats are too easy to capsize.  I mean get them out sailing on a big cruising catamaran.  Every year, I take my Boy Scout troop out for a day sail on my friend?s 42 ft LOA cat, S/V Now What? .   Effortless 7-10 knot cruising speeds under sail with ~4 deg of heel, lots of deck space to stretch out on, and no motor sounds.  You do have to contend with the ?Whooshing?  sound from the twin rooster tails coming off the stern.   It?s an expensive solution; but, it will forever change the way you look at monohull sailboats.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2022, at 5:48 PM, Bob Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dennis -
> 
> I am just now getting around to reading this very interesting conversation.
> 
> My wife (who is from Detroit) and I live in West Virginia but we have a summer house in Arcadia, MI.  A few years ago we bought our first sailboat - a 2007 Rhodes 22 - which we keep in Onekama on Portage Lake, with water access to Lake Michigan.  We are novices and would like to sail with others who have Rhodes experience.
> 
> If you should want to come Up North this summer, we would welcome you and your wife to sail with us.  I can be reached at bobfcohen at gmail.com. 
> 
> Bob Cohen
> s/v Silver Bay
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Dennis McNeely
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:13 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
> 
> Thanks for the invitation Stephen! 
> 
> We still have Magic Moments, our '86 Rhodes 22, but it has been spending most of its time hanging in our boat lift. I started some galley retrofits in an effort to interest Sandi in sailing, but it was not to be, so now I work on the boat from time to time, and when the wind is right for a broad reach over to Canada and back I'll drop her in the water and head out. I still love the magic moment when I silence the motor and the wind begins to drive the boat. <sigh>
> 
> But... the trawler presents other opportunities for Sandi and I, and will better deal with some of Mother Nature's silliness when she blows up 4 - 6 foot waves on the lake with little notice.  
> 
> And so I lurk here on DaList - sailing vicariously with all of you!
> 
> Dennis
> S/V Magic Moments
> M/V Magic Moments, the Sequel 
>   ... and dinghy Magician's Apprentice
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stephen Staum
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:13 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
> 
> Thanks Dennis.  My wife's first comment when I took her sailing in 2002 on a Pearson 26 (which has a full heavy keel) was:  This is very nice but does it have to tilt like this?
> I knew I was in trouble.  The next year we got our first Rhodes 22, an '87 with IMF.  Needless to say, it is far more tender than the Pearson 26 (which was a club boat) so I learned to reef early and often.  We are now on our 3rd Rhodes.  Last year we bought the s/v Pinafore, a '90 that was refurbed by Stan in 2016 and sold our beloved Carol Lee 2.  The CL2 was an
> '83 that I converted to an IMF main using the mast salvaged from the Carol Lee which swamped and turtled in a hurricane in 2011 and was totaled by Boat US Insurance.  The Pinafore has the fully enclosed head with flush toilet instead of the porta potti, electric motor lift to save my old back and a 2016 (very quiet) 4 stroke Evinrude outboard to make motoring to and from the mooring far more pleasant than our old (but very reliable) screaming 2 stroke.
> 
> Also worth mentioning,  my wife Carol does not swim well and is terrified of the water.  I bought her an offshore automatic inflatable life vest when we first started and she has sailed with me almost every weekend since.
> The little boat is our on-the-water summer home.  We often sail with the Genoa (now a 130) only and I even reef that if the wind gusts get over 10 knots.  We survived a sudden squall 2 years ago with 70 mph winds and 5 foot seas!  I was tethered at the helm with Carol in the cabin with the pop top down.  It was terrifying but the seaworthiness of the Rhodes 22 (with some credit to the idiot at the helm) carried the day.  Carol even came back and sailed with me the following weekend!
> 
> So Dennis, if you want to give the Rhodes another try, come on out to Massachusetts this season and sail with us on the Pinafore.  I don't know if I'll get it together but I am scheduled to launch the first week in May and the launch service continues 7 days a week from 8 am to 9 pm until October 31.  We sail out of the Hingham Shipyard Marina which leads to nicely protected waters and the lovely Boston Harbor Islands.  Best weather is from July through September.  Let me know if and when you want to come.
> 
> 
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> 
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
> 
> *Needham, MA*
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:51 AM Dennis McNeely <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Salute Stephen -
>> I'm on an island in the Detroit River - in Gibraltar, Michigan. I 
>> really enjoyed my Rhodes 22, but then I met a lady who didn't deal 
>> well with the boat when heeling - so now we have a trawler and I sail 
>> a pair of Detroit Diesels. A bit of a bummer, but I'm still out on the 
>> water, and she's happy with it!
>> Dennis McNeely
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Stephen Staum
>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:15 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
>> 
>> Dennis that was a great comment.  In addition to performance, I 
>> noticed years ago that my lazerette would fill with water when the 
>> boat sat stern low on the trailer in my yard (it is a slight hill 
>> causing the bow low condition).  It never filled on the mooring as the 
>> boat normally sits with the bow lower.
>> Where are you from Dennis?
>> 
>> 
>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>> 
>> *Stephen Staum*
>> *s/v Pinafore*
>> 
>> *Needham, MA*
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dennis McNeely < 
>> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Greetings all -
>>> One other thought... if you don't have enough weight forward, the 
>>> bow of the boat can't provide enough lateral resistance to counter 
>>> the force of the sails.
>>> Put differently, if too much weight is aft, the wind will push the 
>>> sail, mast, and boat forward - but it will also push it sideways.
>>> That lateral push is countered by your rudder and centerboard, but 
>>> it's also countered by the submerged bow of the boat. If the bow is 
>>> too far out of the water or the stern is submerged too much, trying 
>>> to balance your rig is a non-starter.
>>> Stated differently, if the stern is weighted down and the bow is 
>>> riding high, you'll be continually pushed off the wind, because you 
>>> won't be able to get the center of effort (the place where the force 
>>> of the wind pushes your boat) over the center of resistance (the 
>>> spot on the keel where the water resists force from the wind).
>>> The tighter you sail to the wind, the worse the effect will become.
>>> Having said all the above, I'm back to lurking :) Dennis McNeely
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
>>> Of ROGER PIHLAJA
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:47 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
>>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> 
>>> Here?s an experiment to determine if you have too much mast rake.
>>> Assuming light to moderate wind so you can put up full sail, 
>>> establish a close hauled point of sail, and trim both sails as good as possible.
>>> Take note of how much weather helm you have.  Assuming you have the 
>>> IMF mainsail, reef the mainsail a small amount, say 6 inches.
>>> Reestablish a close hauled point of sail and trim the sails as good 
>>> as possible.  You should now have less weather helm or maybe neutral 
>>> or even lee helm.  Keep reducing mainsail area until you have 
>>> eliminated
>> all the weather helm.
>>> 
>>> By shortening the forestay, the weather helm can be tuned out of the rig.
>>> I like the helm to be neutral to very slight lee helm in light air.
>>> As the wind strength builds, the hull is going to heel over no 
>>> matter how much rail meat you pile onto the windward rail.  I won?t 
>>> go into the physics of why and how; but, the asymmetric wetted shape 
>>> of the heeled over hull just naturally generates weather helm.  You 
>>> counter this tendency towards weather helm by reducing mainsail 
>>> area.  This moves the rig?s center of effort forward and reduces weather helm.
>>> You want to leave the foresail at full area as long as you can keep 
>>> the boat sailing on her lines and use the mainsail area to balance 
>>> the
>> helm.
>>> 
>>> In light air, there is very little feel to the helm no matter how 
>>> the rig is tuned.  The easiest point of reference is to have the rig 
>>> tuned for neutral helm, especially for a novice helmsman.  So, even 
>>> though the helmsman isn?t getting any feedback thru the tiller, 
>>> he/she knows to simply center the tiller, and the boat will go 
>>> straight.  As the wind strength builds and sail area is not reduced, 
>>> the hull will begin to heel over, and weather helm will build.  The 
>>> helmsman is now getting plenty of feedback thru the tiller.  If the 
>>> weather helm gets to be tiresome; then, the mainsail area can always 
>>> be reduced to take
>> the pressure off the tiller.
>>> Even a few degrees of rudder angle off center develops an amazing 
>>> amount of drag.  This slows the boat down and reduces pointing 
>>> ability.  Remember, the boat is making leeway even when the tiller 
>>> is centered, and this leeway is enough for the shoal draft keel, 
>>> centerboard, and rudder blade to work together to develop the 
>>> required
>> lift for the boat to be able to point.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilbrium
>>> 
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>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:32 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
>>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> 
>>> A couple of things to check:
>>> 
>>> 1.   Is your centerboard all the way down?
>>> 
>>> 2.  Is your rudder blade all the way down?
>>> 
>>> 3.  In 5-15 knots of wind, you should use the mainsheet and traveler 
>>> to center the boom.  Make certain the boom is not rising up and 
>>> there isn?t too much curl on the leech.  Make certain the mainsail 
>>> foot out haul is tight.  Without battens, there is only so much you 
>>> can do with mainsail shape; but, this will set you up to do the best 
>>> that is
>> possible.
>>> 
>>> 4.  Use your backstay adjuster to get the sag out of the forestay.  
>>> It takes quite a lot of tension on the backstays to remove the forestay sag.
>>> Don?t be afraid of cranking on the backstay adjuster.  A mast head 
>>> rig needs the forestay to have little sag in order to properly form 
>>> an efficient slot with the mainsail.
>>> 
>>> 5.  Refer to my rig tuning procedure in the archives to adjust the 
>>> tension in the standing rigging.
>>> 
>>> The Rhodes 22 sails best to weather if it is regarded like a big 
>>> sailing dingy, as upright as possible.  There should be zero to very 
>>> slight weather helm.  If you have too much weather helm; then reduce 
>>> the
>> mast rake angle.
>>> ie Make the mast rake more perpendicular to the deck.
>>> 
>>> My guess is you have too much mast rake, which is giving you a lot 
>>> of weather helm, and killing your ability to point to weather.
>>> 
>>> Hopefully, these suggestions help.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> ?Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> Now that I've been sailing my Rhodes for about a year, I'm 
>>>> starting to focus on getting the best performance out of her.
>>>> While I mostly sail for fun, I do race every couple of weeks and 
>>>> want to be more competitive.  In particular, I have found that she 
>>>> does not go to
>>> windward very well for me.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have a 130 genoa and the IMF mainsail.  Until very recently, I 
>>>> have been routing the jib sheets outside of the outer shrouds and 
>>>> handrails. That limits how much I can trim the genoa.
>>>> Consequently, I can only tack through about 100-120o.
>>>> 
>>>> Recently, I tried running the jib sheets between the outer shrouds 
>>>> and the inner shrouds.  That definitely improved my pointing 
>>>> ability significantly at the expense of less than optimal headsail 
>>>> shape on some off wind points of sail.  However, this 
>>>> configuration lets me use my jib cars to adapt to wind strength 
>>>> and whether or not I am partially reefed.  I think this will 
>>>> retain the ability to use a whisker
>>> pole on downwind legs.
>>>> 
>>>> I did briefly try both of the inboard jib sheet fairlead/cleat 
>>>> alternatives but using those would seem to require having a second 
>>>> set of jib sheets and probably going on the foredeck to switch 
>>>> between them after rounding a mark (I often race solo).  Also, 
>>>> those options eliminate the ability to control the sheeting angle 
>>>> to the clew with the
>>> jib cars.
>>>> 
>>>> I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and comments about what you 
>>>> have learned about how to optimize your boat's performance.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Mike McKay
>>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>>>> Allatoona Lake
>>>> Acworth, GA
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 09:17:36 2022
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 09:17:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
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That sounds nice Roger but where is the fun. It is like FLAG football. Is
it really football?
Cary
S/V Whisper
Claytor Lake, VA

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 9:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> This thread has gotten a bit off topic from the original topic of
> improving upwind performance.  To those whose spouses don?t like heeling,
> get them out on a catamaran and see what they think.  & I don?t mean a
> small beachable cat either.  Beach cats are too easy to capsize.  I mean
> get them out sailing on a big cruising catamaran.  Every year, I take my
> Boy Scout troop out for a day sail on my friend?s 42 ft LOA cat, S/V Now
> What? .   Effortless 7-10 knot cruising speeds under sail with ~4 deg of
> heel, lots of deck space to stretch out on, and no motor sounds.  You do
> have to contend with the ?Whooshing?  sound from the twin rooster tails
> coming off the stern.   It?s an expensive solution; but, it will forever
> change the way you look at monohull sailboats.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 28, 2022, at 5:48 PM, Bob Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Dennis -
> >
> > I am just now getting around to reading this very interesting
> conversation.
> >
> > My wife (who is from Detroit) and I live in West Virginia but we have a
> summer house in Arcadia, MI.  A few years ago we bought our first sailboat
> - a 2007 Rhodes 22 - which we keep in Onekama on Portage Lake, with water
> access to Lake Michigan.  We are novices and would like to sail with others
> who have Rhodes experience.
> >
> > If you should want to come Up North this summer, we would welcome you
> and your wife to sail with us.  I can be reached at bobfcohen at gmail.com.
> >
> > Bob Cohen
> > s/v Silver Bay
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Dennis McNeely
> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:13 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
> >
> > Thanks for the invitation Stephen!
> >
> > We still have Magic Moments, our '86 Rhodes 22, but it has been spending
> most of its time hanging in our boat lift. I started some galley retrofits
> in an effort to interest Sandi in sailing, but it was not to be, so now I
> work on the boat from time to time, and when the wind is right for a broad
> reach over to Canada and back I'll drop her in the water and head out. I
> still love the magic moment when I silence the motor and the wind begins to
> drive the boat. <sigh>
> >
> > But... the trawler presents other opportunities for Sandi and I, and
> will better deal with some of Mother Nature's silliness when she blows up 4
> - 6 foot waves on the lake with little notice.
> >
> > And so I lurk here on DaList - sailing vicariously with all of you!
> >
> > Dennis
> > S/V Magic Moments
> > M/V Magic Moments, the Sequel
> >   ... and dinghy Magician's Apprentice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Stephen Staum
> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:13 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
> >
> > Thanks Dennis.  My wife's first comment when I took her sailing in 2002
> on a Pearson 26 (which has a full heavy keel) was:  This is very nice but
> does it have to tilt like this?
> > I knew I was in trouble.  The next year we got our first Rhodes 22, an
> '87 with IMF.  Needless to say, it is far more tender than the Pearson 26
> (which was a club boat) so I learned to reef early and often.  We are now
> on our 3rd Rhodes.  Last year we bought the s/v Pinafore, a '90 that was
> refurbed by Stan in 2016 and sold our beloved Carol Lee 2.  The CL2 was an
> > '83 that I converted to an IMF main using the mast salvaged from the
> Carol Lee which swamped and turtled in a hurricane in 2011 and was totaled
> by Boat US Insurance.  The Pinafore has the fully enclosed head with flush
> toilet instead of the porta potti, electric motor lift to save my old back
> and a 2016 (very quiet) 4 stroke Evinrude outboard to make motoring to and
> from the mooring far more pleasant than our old (but very reliable)
> screaming 2 stroke.
> >
> > Also worth mentioning,  my wife Carol does not swim well and is
> terrified of the water.  I bought her an offshore automatic inflatable life
> vest when we first started and she has sailed with me almost every weekend
> since.
> > The little boat is our on-the-water summer home.  We often sail with the
> Genoa (now a 130) only and I even reef that if the wind gusts get over 10
> knots.  We survived a sudden squall 2 years ago with 70 mph winds and 5
> foot seas!  I was tethered at the helm with Carol in the cabin with the pop
> top down.  It was terrifying but the seaworthiness of the Rhodes 22 (with
> some credit to the idiot at the helm) carried the day.  Carol even came
> back and sailed with me the following weekend!
> >
> > So Dennis, if you want to give the Rhodes another try, come on out to
> Massachusetts this season and sail with us on the Pinafore.  I don't know
> if I'll get it together but I am scheduled to launch the first week in May
> and the launch service continues 7 days a week from 8 am to 9 pm until
> October 31.  We sail out of the Hingham Shipyard Marina which leads to
> nicely protected waters and the lovely Boston Harbor Islands.  Best weather
> is from July through September.  Let me know if and when you want to come.
> >
> >
> > *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Pinafore*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:51 AM Dennis McNeely <
> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Salute Stephen -
> >> I'm on an island in the Detroit River - in Gibraltar, Michigan. I
> >> really enjoyed my Rhodes 22, but then I met a lady who didn't deal
> >> well with the boat when heeling - so now we have a trawler and I sail
> >> a pair of Detroit Diesels. A bit of a bummer, but I'm still out on the
> >> water, and she's happy with it!
> >> Dennis McNeely
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> >> Stephen Staum
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:15 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
> performance?
> >>
> >> Dennis that was a great comment.  In addition to performance, I
> >> noticed years ago that my lazerette would fill with water when the
> >> boat sat stern low on the trailer in my yard (it is a slight hill
> >> causing the bow low condition).  It never filled on the mooring as the
> >> boat normally sits with the bow lower.
> >> Where are you from Dennis?
> >>
> >>
> >> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >>
> >> *Stephen Staum*
> >> *s/v Pinafore*
> >>
> >> *Needham, MA*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dennis McNeely <
> >> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greetings all -
> >>> One other thought... if you don't have enough weight forward, the
> >>> bow of the boat can't provide enough lateral resistance to counter
> >>> the force of the sails.
> >>> Put differently, if too much weight is aft, the wind will push the
> >>> sail, mast, and boat forward - but it will also push it sideways.
> >>> That lateral push is countered by your rudder and centerboard, but
> >>> it's also countered by the submerged bow of the boat. If the bow is
> >>> too far out of the water or the stern is submerged too much, trying
> >>> to balance your rig is a non-starter.
> >>> Stated differently, if the stern is weighted down and the bow is
> >>> riding high, you'll be continually pushed off the wind, because you
> >>> won't be able to get the center of effort (the place where the force
> >>> of the wind pushes your boat) over the center of resistance (the
> >>> spot on the keel where the water resists force from the wind).
> >>> The tighter you sail to the wind, the worse the effect will become.
> >>> Having said all the above, I'm back to lurking :) Dennis McNeely
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> >>> Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:47 AM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
> performance?
> >>>
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>> Here?s an experiment to determine if you have too much mast rake.
> >>> Assuming light to moderate wind so you can put up full sail,
> >>> establish a close hauled point of sail, and trim both sails as good as
> possible.
> >>> Take note of how much weather helm you have.  Assuming you have the
> >>> IMF mainsail, reef the mainsail a small amount, say 6 inches.
> >>> Reestablish a close hauled point of sail and trim the sails as good
> >>> as possible.  You should now have less weather helm or maybe neutral
> >>> or even lee helm.  Keep reducing mainsail area until you have
> >>> eliminated
> >> all the weather helm.
> >>>
> >>> By shortening the forestay, the weather helm can be tuned out of the
> rig.
> >>> I like the helm to be neutral to very slight lee helm in light air.
> >>> As the wind strength builds, the hull is going to heel over no
> >>> matter how much rail meat you pile onto the windward rail.  I won?t
> >>> go into the physics of why and how; but, the asymmetric wetted shape
> >>> of the heeled over hull just naturally generates weather helm.  You
> >>> counter this tendency towards weather helm by reducing mainsail
> >>> area.  This moves the rig?s center of effort forward and reduces
> weather helm.
> >>> You want to leave the foresail at full area as long as you can keep
> >>> the boat sailing on her lines and use the mainsail area to balance
> >>> the
> >> helm.
> >>>
> >>> In light air, there is very little feel to the helm no matter how
> >>> the rig is tuned.  The easiest point of reference is to have the rig
> >>> tuned for neutral helm, especially for a novice helmsman.  So, even
> >>> though the helmsman isn?t getting any feedback thru the tiller,
> >>> he/she knows to simply center the tiller, and the boat will go
> >>> straight.  As the wind strength builds and sail area is not reduced,
> >>> the hull will begin to heel over, and weather helm will build.  The
> >>> helmsman is now getting plenty of feedback thru the tiller.  If the
> >>> weather helm gets to be tiresome; then, the mainsail area can always
> >>> be reduced to take
> >> the pressure off the tiller.
> >>> Even a few degrees of rudder angle off center develops an amazing
> >>> amount of drag.  This slows the boat down and reduces pointing
> >>> ability.  Remember, the boat is making leeway even when the tiller
> >>> is centered, and this leeway is enough for the shoal draft keel,
> >>> centerboard, and rudder blade to work together to develop the
> >>> required
> >> lift for the boat to be able to point.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilbrium
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Mail<
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> >>> Windows
> >>>
> >>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:32 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
> performance?
> >>>
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>> A couple of things to check:
> >>>
> >>> 1.   Is your centerboard all the way down?
> >>>
> >>> 2.  Is your rudder blade all the way down?
> >>>
> >>> 3.  In 5-15 knots of wind, you should use the mainsheet and traveler
> >>> to center the boom.  Make certain the boom is not rising up and
> >>> there isn?t too much curl on the leech.  Make certain the mainsail
> >>> foot out haul is tight.  Without battens, there is only so much you
> >>> can do with mainsail shape; but, this will set you up to do the best
> >>> that is
> >> possible.
> >>>
> >>> 4.  Use your backstay adjuster to get the sag out of the forestay.
> >>> It takes quite a lot of tension on the backstays to remove the
> forestay sag.
> >>> Don?t be afraid of cranking on the backstay adjuster.  A mast head
> >>> rig needs the forestay to have little sag in order to properly form
> >>> an efficient slot with the mainsail.
> >>>
> >>> 5.  Refer to my rig tuning procedure in the archives to adjust the
> >>> tension in the standing rigging.
> >>>
> >>> The Rhodes 22 sails best to weather if it is regarded like a big
> >>> sailing dingy, as upright as possible.  There should be zero to very
> >>> slight weather helm.  If you have too much weather helm; then reduce
> >>> the
> >> mast rake angle.
> >>> ie Make the mast rake more perpendicular to the deck.
> >>>
> >>> My guess is you have too much mast rake, which is giving you a lot
> >>> of weather helm, and killing your ability to point to weather.
> >>>
> >>> Hopefully, these suggestions help.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Now that I've been sailing my Rhodes for about a year, I'm
> >>>> starting to focus on getting the best performance out of her.
> >>>> While I mostly sail for fun, I do race every couple of weeks and
> >>>> want to be more competitive.  In particular, I have found that she
> >>>> does not go to
> >>> windward very well for me.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a 130 genoa and the IMF mainsail.  Until very recently, I
> >>>> have been routing the jib sheets outside of the outer shrouds and
> >>>> handrails. That limits how much I can trim the genoa.
> >>>> Consequently, I can only tack through about 100-120o.
> >>>>
> >>>> Recently, I tried running the jib sheets between the outer shrouds
> >>>> and the inner shrouds.  That definitely improved my pointing
> >>>> ability significantly at the expense of less than optimal headsail
> >>>> shape on some off wind points of sail.  However, this
> >>>> configuration lets me use my jib cars to adapt to wind strength
> >>>> and whether or not I am partially reefed.  I think this will
> >>>> retain the ability to use a whisker
> >>> pole on downwind legs.
> >>>>
> >>>> I did briefly try both of the inboard jib sheet fairlead/cleat
> >>>> alternatives but using those would seem to require having a second
> >>>> set of jib sheets and probably going on the foredeck to switch
> >>>> between them after rounding a mark (I often race solo).  Also,
> >>>> those options eliminate the ability to control the sheeting angle
> >>>> to the clew with the
> >>> jib cars.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and comments about what you
> >>>> have learned about how to optimize your boat's performance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike McKay
> >>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> >>>> Allatoona Lake
> >>>> Acworth, GA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 09:39:13 2022
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 09:39:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
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Yep, good point although I do worry about the standing rigging conducting
electricity during a thunderstorm! haha

On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 10:18 AM Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:

> The only wires on the boat all conduct electricity.  What you are talking
> about are the stays, also known as the standing rigging. The running
> rigging is your lines used to control the sail such as the halyards (which
> you may or may not even have depending on how your boat is configured) and
> the sheets.
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:49 AM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yep, thanks Peter - I am planning on replacing all of the wires as well.
> It
> > did seem like the larger bushing inside the mast was in good shape.
> Thanks,
> > MM
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree that pic looked like Jib furler, IMF has tube not not forestay
> > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> > > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > > Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 9:28 am
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement
> > >
> > > Mitch,
> > >
> > > I'm confused by your pictures.  There isn't a wire rope in the IMF
> > > assembly, so, maybe those are pictures of a jib furler?
> > >
> > > In any event that wire needs to be replaced.  One of the pictures
> clearly
> > > shows that a few strands have broken at the end fitting.
> > >
> > > Peter Nyberg
> > > Coventry, CT
> > > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> > >
> > > > On 2022-04-26, at 08:24:34 EDT, Mitch Mitchell wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF
> mast
> > > that I
> > > > picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube
> need
> > > to be
> > > > replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg] [image: Rhodes
> > > 22-5.jpg]
> > > > if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be
> > > > appreciated! I've attached some photos.
> > > > Mitch
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

From rlowe at vt.edu  Fri Apr 29 10:50:55 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 14:50:55 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
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Hey Cary, don't knock a cat until you try one!  While I don't think a cat would work well on Claytor, but the time we went to the BVI, a cat was perfect!  Plenty of space and the sailing was excellent! 

Rob

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2022 9:18 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?

That sounds nice Roger but where is the fun. It is like FLAG football. Is it really football?
Cary
S/V Whisper
Claytor Lake, VA

On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 9:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> This thread has gotten a bit off topic from the original topic of 
> improving upwind performance.  To those whose spouses don?t like 
> heeling, get them out on a catamaran and see what they think.  & I 
> don?t mean a small beachable cat either.  Beach cats are too easy to 
> capsize.  I mean get them out sailing on a big cruising catamaran.  
> Every year, I take my Boy Scout troop out for a day sail on my friend?s 42 ft LOA cat, S/V Now
> What? .   Effortless 7-10 knot cruising speeds under sail with ~4 deg of
> heel, lots of deck space to stretch out on, and no motor sounds.  You 
> do have to contend with the ?Whooshing?  sound from the twin rooster tails
> coming off the stern.   It?s an expensive solution; but, it will forever
> change the way you look at monohull sailboats.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 28, 2022, at 5:48 PM, Bob Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Dennis -
> >
> > I am just now getting around to reading this very interesting
> conversation.
> >
> > My wife (who is from Detroit) and I live in West Virginia but we 
> > have a
> summer house in Arcadia, MI.  A few years ago we bought our first 
> sailboat
> - a 2007 Rhodes 22 - which we keep in Onekama on Portage Lake, with 
> water access to Lake Michigan.  We are novices and would like to sail 
> with others who have Rhodes experience.
> >
> > If you should want to come Up North this summer, we would welcome 
> > you
> and your wife to sail with us.  I can be reached at bobfcohen at gmail.com.
> >
> > Bob Cohen
> > s/v Silver Bay
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
> > Of
> Dennis McNeely
> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:13 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
> >
> > Thanks for the invitation Stephen!
> >
> > We still have Magic Moments, our '86 Rhodes 22, but it has been 
> > spending
> most of its time hanging in our boat lift. I started some galley 
> retrofits in an effort to interest Sandi in sailing, but it was not to 
> be, so now I work on the boat from time to time, and when the wind is 
> right for a broad reach over to Canada and back I'll drop her in the 
> water and head out. I still love the magic moment when I silence the 
> motor and the wind begins to drive the boat. <sigh>
> >
> > But... the trawler presents other opportunities for Sandi and I, and
> will better deal with some of Mother Nature's silliness when she blows 
> up 4
> - 6 foot waves on the lake with little notice.
> >
> > And so I lurk here on DaList - sailing vicariously with all of you!
> >
> > Dennis
> > S/V Magic Moments
> > M/V Magic Moments, the Sequel
> >   ... and dinghy Magician's Apprentice
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
> > Of
> Stephen Staum
> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:13 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
> >
> > Thanks Dennis.  My wife's first comment when I took her sailing in 
> > 2002
> on a Pearson 26 (which has a full heavy keel) was:  This is very nice 
> but does it have to tilt like this?
> > I knew I was in trouble.  The next year we got our first Rhodes 22, 
> > an
> '87 with IMF.  Needless to say, it is far more tender than the Pearson 
> 26 (which was a club boat) so I learned to reef early and often.  We 
> are now on our 3rd Rhodes.  Last year we bought the s/v Pinafore, a 
> '90 that was refurbed by Stan in 2016 and sold our beloved Carol Lee 
> 2.  The CL2 was an
> > '83 that I converted to an IMF main using the mast salvaged from the
> Carol Lee which swamped and turtled in a hurricane in 2011 and was 
> totaled by Boat US Insurance.  The Pinafore has the fully enclosed 
> head with flush toilet instead of the porta potti, electric motor lift 
> to save my old back and a 2016 (very quiet) 4 stroke Evinrude outboard 
> to make motoring to and from the mooring far more pleasant than our 
> old (but very reliable) screaming 2 stroke.
> >
> > Also worth mentioning,  my wife Carol does not swim well and is
> terrified of the water.  I bought her an offshore automatic inflatable 
> life vest when we first started and she has sailed with me almost 
> every weekend since.
> > The little boat is our on-the-water summer home.  We often sail with 
> > the
> Genoa (now a 130) only and I even reef that if the wind gusts get over 
> 10 knots.  We survived a sudden squall 2 years ago with 70 mph winds 
> and 5 foot seas!  I was tethered at the helm with Carol in the cabin 
> with the pop top down.  It was terrifying but the seaworthiness of the 
> Rhodes 22 (with some credit to the idiot at the helm) carried the day.  
> Carol even came back and sailed with me the following weekend!
> >
> > So Dennis, if you want to give the Rhodes another try, come on out 
> > to
> Massachusetts this season and sail with us on the Pinafore.  I don't 
> know if I'll get it together but I am scheduled to launch the first 
> week in May and the launch service continues 7 days a week from 8 am 
> to 9 pm until October 31.  We sail out of the Hingham Shipyard Marina 
> which leads to nicely protected waters and the lovely Boston Harbor 
> Islands.  Best weather is from July through September.  Let me know if and when you want to come.
> >
> >
> > *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Pinafore*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:51 AM Dennis McNeely <
> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Salute Stephen -
> >> I'm on an island in the Detroit River - in Gibraltar, Michigan. I 
> >> really enjoyed my Rhodes 22, but then I met a lady who didn't deal 
> >> well with the boat when heeling - so now we have a trawler and I 
> >> sail a pair of Detroit Diesels. A bit of a bummer, but I'm still 
> >> out on the water, and she's happy with it!
> >> Dennis McNeely
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
> >> Of Stephen Staum
> >> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:15 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
> performance?
> >>
> >> Dennis that was a great comment.  In addition to performance, I 
> >> noticed years ago that my lazerette would fill with water when the 
> >> boat sat stern low on the trailer in my yard (it is a slight hill 
> >> causing the bow low condition).  It never filled on the mooring as 
> >> the boat normally sits with the bow lower.
> >> Where are you from Dennis?
> >>
> >>
> >> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >>
> >> *Stephen Staum*
> >> *s/v Pinafore*
> >>
> >> *Needham, MA*
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dennis McNeely < 
> >> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Greetings all -
> >>> One other thought... if you don't have enough weight forward, the 
> >>> bow of the boat can't provide enough lateral resistance to counter 
> >>> the force of the sails.
> >>> Put differently, if too much weight is aft, the wind will push the 
> >>> sail, mast, and boat forward - but it will also push it sideways.
> >>> That lateral push is countered by your rudder and centerboard, but 
> >>> it's also countered by the submerged bow of the boat. If the bow 
> >>> is too far out of the water or the stern is submerged too much, 
> >>> trying to balance your rig is a non-starter.
> >>> Stated differently, if the stern is weighted down and the bow is 
> >>> riding high, you'll be continually pushed off the wind, because 
> >>> you won't be able to get the center of effort (the place where the 
> >>> force of the wind pushes your boat) over the center of resistance 
> >>> (the spot on the keel where the water resists force from the wind).
> >>> The tighter you sail to the wind, the worse the effect will become.
> >>> Having said all the above, I'm back to lurking :) Dennis McNeely
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
> >>> Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> >>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:47 AM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
> performance?
> >>>
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>> Here?s an experiment to determine if you have too much mast rake.
> >>> Assuming light to moderate wind so you can put up full sail, 
> >>> establish a close hauled point of sail, and trim both sails as 
> >>> good as
> possible.
> >>> Take note of how much weather helm you have.  Assuming you have 
> >>> the IMF mainsail, reef the mainsail a small amount, say 6 inches.
> >>> Reestablish a close hauled point of sail and trim the sails as 
> >>> good as possible.  You should now have less weather helm or maybe 
> >>> neutral or even lee helm.  Keep reducing mainsail area until you 
> >>> have eliminated
> >> all the weather helm.
> >>>
> >>> By shortening the forestay, the weather helm can be tuned out of 
> >>> the
> rig.
> >>> I like the helm to be neutral to very slight lee helm in light air.
> >>> As the wind strength builds, the hull is going to heel over no 
> >>> matter how much rail meat you pile onto the windward rail.  I 
> >>> won?t go into the physics of why and how; but, the asymmetric 
> >>> wetted shape of the heeled over hull just naturally generates 
> >>> weather helm.  You counter this tendency towards weather helm by 
> >>> reducing mainsail area.  This moves the rig?s center of effort 
> >>> forward and reduces
> weather helm.
> >>> You want to leave the foresail at full area as long as you can 
> >>> keep the boat sailing on her lines and use the mainsail area to 
> >>> balance the
> >> helm.
> >>>
> >>> In light air, there is very little feel to the helm no matter how 
> >>> the rig is tuned.  The easiest point of reference is to have the 
> >>> rig tuned for neutral helm, especially for a novice helmsman.  So, 
> >>> even though the helmsman isn?t getting any feedback thru the 
> >>> tiller, he/she knows to simply center the tiller, and the boat 
> >>> will go straight.  As the wind strength builds and sail area is 
> >>> not reduced, the hull will begin to heel over, and weather helm 
> >>> will build.  The helmsman is now getting plenty of feedback thru 
> >>> the tiller.  If the weather helm gets to be tiresome; then, the 
> >>> mainsail area can always be reduced to take
> >> the pressure off the tiller.
> >>> Even a few degrees of rudder angle off center develops an amazing 
> >>> amount of drag.  This slows the boat down and reduces pointing 
> >>> ability.  Remember, the boat is making leeway even when the tiller 
> >>> is centered, and this leeway is enough for the shoal draft keel, 
> >>> centerboard, and rudder blade to work together to develop the 
> >>> required
> >> lift for the boat to be able to point.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilbrium
> >>>
> >>> Sent from Mail<
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> >>>
> >>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> >>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:32 PM
> >>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
> performance?
> >>>
> >>> Mike,
> >>>
> >>> A couple of things to check:
> >>>
> >>> 1.   Is your centerboard all the way down?
> >>>
> >>> 2.  Is your rudder blade all the way down?
> >>>
> >>> 3.  In 5-15 knots of wind, you should use the mainsheet and 
> >>> traveler to center the boom.  Make certain the boom is not rising 
> >>> up and there isn?t too much curl on the leech.  Make certain the 
> >>> mainsail foot out haul is tight.  Without battens, there is only 
> >>> so much you can do with mainsail shape; but, this will set you up 
> >>> to do the best that is
> >> possible.
> >>>
> >>> 4.  Use your backstay adjuster to get the sag out of the forestay.
> >>> It takes quite a lot of tension on the backstays to remove the
> forestay sag.
> >>> Don?t be afraid of cranking on the backstay adjuster.  A mast head 
> >>> rig needs the forestay to have little sag in order to properly 
> >>> form an efficient slot with the mainsail.
> >>>
> >>> 5.  Refer to my rig tuning procedure in the archives to adjust the 
> >>> tension in the standing rigging.
> >>>
> >>> The Rhodes 22 sails best to weather if it is regarded like a big 
> >>> sailing dingy, as upright as possible.  There should be zero to 
> >>> very slight weather helm.  If you have too much weather helm; then 
> >>> reduce the
> >> mast rake angle.
> >>> ie Make the mast rake more perpendicular to the deck.
> >>>
> >>> My guess is you have too much mast rake, which is giving you a lot 
> >>> of weather helm, and killing your ability to point to weather.
> >>>
> >>> Hopefully, these suggestions help.
> >>>
> >>> Roger Pihlaja
> >>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?Hi All,
> >>>>
> >>>> Now that I've been sailing my Rhodes for about a year, I'm 
> >>>> starting to focus on getting the best performance out of her.
> >>>> While I mostly sail for fun, I do race every couple of weeks and 
> >>>> want to be more competitive.  In particular, I have found that 
> >>>> she does not go to
> >>> windward very well for me.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a 130 genoa and the IMF mainsail.  Until very recently, I 
> >>>> have been routing the jib sheets outside of the outer shrouds and 
> >>>> handrails. That limits how much I can trim the genoa.
> >>>> Consequently, I can only tack through about 100-120o.
> >>>>
> >>>> Recently, I tried running the jib sheets between the outer 
> >>>> shrouds and the inner shrouds.  That definitely improved my 
> >>>> pointing ability significantly at the expense of less than 
> >>>> optimal headsail shape on some off wind points of sail.  However, 
> >>>> this configuration lets me use my jib cars to adapt to wind 
> >>>> strength and whether or not I am partially reefed.  I think this 
> >>>> will retain the ability to use a whisker
> >>> pole on downwind legs.
> >>>>
> >>>> I did briefly try both of the inboard jib sheet fairlead/cleat 
> >>>> alternatives but using those would seem to require having a 
> >>>> second set of jib sheets and probably going on the foredeck to 
> >>>> switch between them after rounding a mark (I often race solo).  
> >>>> Also, those options eliminate the ability to control the sheeting 
> >>>> angle to the clew with the
> >>> jib cars.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and comments about what you 
> >>>> have learned about how to optimize your boat's performance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike McKay
> >>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> >>>> Allatoona Lake
> >>>> Acworth, GA
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Apr 29 11:02:19 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 15:02:19 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB69206A0DE3012731EDBB1CE280FC9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Cary,

Well, you?re still helming and trimming sails, tacking & gibing, you still have to navigate, and docking is way more challenging.  But, you?re going twice as fast, not getting wet, and having to brace yourself when the boat heels over.  If it meant the difference between your spouse insisting on a powerboat or this kind of sailboat, what would you choose?  By the way, note that I still have S/V Dynamic Equilibrium.  Do we have to be uncomfortable &/or a little scared on our boats in order to enjoy them?  My sons would answer ?YES!!!?; but, they don?t think the fun starts until the small craft warnings go up!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 9:17 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?That sounds nice Roger but where is the fun. It is like FLAG football. Is
> it really football?
> Cary
> S/V Whisper
> Claytor Lake, VA
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 9:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> This thread has gotten a bit off topic from the original topic of
>> improving upwind performance.  To those whose spouses don?t like heeling,
>> get them out on a catamaran and see what they think.  & I don?t mean a
>> small beachable cat either.  Beach cats are too easy to capsize.  I mean
>> get them out sailing on a big cruising catamaran.  Every year, I take my
>> Boy Scout troop out for a day sail on my friend?s 42 ft LOA cat, S/V Now
>> What? .   Effortless 7-10 knot cruising speeds under sail with ~4 deg of
>> heel, lots of deck space to stretch out on, and no motor sounds.  You do
>> have to contend with the ?Whooshing?  sound from the twin rooster tails
>> coming off the stern.   It?s an expensive solution; but, it will forever
>> change the way you look at monohull sailboats.
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Apr 28, 2022, at 5:48 PM, Bob Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ?Dennis -
>>> I am just now getting around to reading this very interesting
>> conversation.
>>> My wife (who is from Detroit) and I live in West Virginia but we have a
>> summer house in Arcadia, MI.  A few years ago we bought our first sailboat
>> - a 2007 Rhodes 22 - which we keep in Onekama on Portage Lake, with water
>> access to Lake Michigan.  We are novices and would like to sail with others
>> who have Rhodes experience.
>>> If you should want to come Up North this summer, we would welcome you
>> and your wife to sail with us.  I can be reached at bobfcohen at gmail.com.
>>> Bob Cohen
>>> s/v Silver Bay
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Dennis McNeely
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:13 PM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
>>> Thanks for the invitation Stephen!
>>> We still have Magic Moments, our '86 Rhodes 22, but it has been spending
>> most of its time hanging in our boat lift. I started some galley retrofits
>> in an effort to interest Sandi in sailing, but it was not to be, so now I
>> work on the boat from time to time, and when the wind is right for a broad
>> reach over to Canada and back I'll drop her in the water and head out. I
>> still love the magic moment when I silence the motor and the wind begins to
>> drive the boat. <sigh>
>>> But... the trawler presents other opportunities for Sandi and I, and
>> will better deal with some of Mother Nature's silliness when she blows up 4
>> - 6 foot waves on the lake with little notice.
>>> And so I lurk here on DaList - sailing vicariously with all of you!
>>> Dennis
>>> S/V Magic Moments
>>> M/V Magic Moments, the Sequel
>>> ... and dinghy Magician's Apprentice
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Stephen Staum
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:13 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
>>> Thanks Dennis.  My wife's first comment when I took her sailing in 2002
>> on a Pearson 26 (which has a full heavy keel) was:  This is very nice but
>> does it have to tilt like this?
>>> I knew I was in trouble.  The next year we got our first Rhodes 22, an
>> '87 with IMF.  Needless to say, it is far more tender than the Pearson 26
>> (which was a club boat) so I learned to reef early and often.  We are now
>> on our 3rd Rhodes.  Last year we bought the s/v Pinafore, a '90 that was
>> refurbed by Stan in 2016 and sold our beloved Carol Lee 2.  The CL2 was an
>>> '83 that I converted to an IMF main using the mast salvaged from the
>> Carol Lee which swamped and turtled in a hurricane in 2011 and was totaled
>> by Boat US Insurance.  The Pinafore has the fully enclosed head with flush
>> toilet instead of the porta potti, electric motor lift to save my old back
>> and a 2016 (very quiet) 4 stroke Evinrude outboard to make motoring to and
>> from the mooring far more pleasant than our old (but very reliable)
>> screaming 2 stroke.
>>> Also worth mentioning,  my wife Carol does not swim well and is
>> terrified of the water.  I bought her an offshore automatic inflatable life
>> vest when we first started and she has sailed with me almost every weekend
>> since.
>>> The little boat is our on-the-water summer home.  We often sail with the
>> Genoa (now a 130) only and I even reef that if the wind gusts get over 10
>> knots.  We survived a sudden squall 2 years ago with 70 mph winds and 5
>> foot seas!  I was tethered at the helm with Carol in the cabin with the pop
>> top down.  It was terrifying but the seaworthiness of the Rhodes 22 (with
>> some credit to the idiot at the helm) carried the day.  Carol even came
>> back and sailed with me the following weekend!
>>> So Dennis, if you want to give the Rhodes another try, come on out to
>> Massachusetts this season and sail with us on the Pinafore.  I don't know
>> if I'll get it together but I am scheduled to launch the first week in May
>> and the launch service continues 7 days a week from 8 am to 9 pm until
>> October 31.  We sail out of the Hingham Shipyard Marina which leads to
>> nicely protected waters and the lovely Boston Harbor Islands.  Best weather
>> is from July through September.  Let me know if and when you want to come.
>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>>> *Stephen Staum*
>>> *s/v Pinafore*
>>> *Needham, MA*
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:51 AM Dennis McNeely <
>> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Salute Stephen -
>>>> I'm on an island in the Detroit River - in Gibraltar, Michigan. I
>>>> really enjoyed my Rhodes 22, but then I met a lady who didn't deal
>>>> well with the boat when heeling - so now we have a trawler and I sail
>>>> a pair of Detroit Diesels. A bit of a bummer, but I'm still out on the
>>>> water, and she's happy with it!
>>>> Dennis McNeely
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Stephen Staum
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:15 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
>> performance?
>>>> Dennis that was a great comment.  In addition to performance, I
>>>> noticed years ago that my lazerette would fill with water when the
>>>> boat sat stern low on the trailer in my yard (it is a slight hill
>>>> causing the bow low condition).  It never filled on the mooring as the
>>>> boat normally sits with the bow lower.
>>>> Where are you from Dennis?
>>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>>>> *Stephen Staum*
>>>> *s/v Pinafore*
>>>> *Needham, MA*
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dennis McNeely <
>>>> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Greetings all -
>>>>> One other thought... if you don't have enough weight forward, the
>>>>> bow of the boat can't provide enough lateral resistance to counter
>>>>> the force of the sails.
>>>>> Put differently, if too much weight is aft, the wind will push the
>>>>> sail, mast, and boat forward - but it will also push it sideways.
>>>>> That lateral push is countered by your rudder and centerboard, but
>>>>> it's also countered by the submerged bow of the boat. If the bow is
>>>>> too far out of the water or the stern is submerged too much, trying
>>>>> to balance your rig is a non-starter.
>>>>> Stated differently, if the stern is weighted down and the bow is
>>>>> riding high, you'll be continually pushed off the wind, because you
>>>>> won't be able to get the center of effort (the place where the force
>>>>> of the wind pushes your boat) over the center of resistance (the
>>>>> spot on the keel where the water resists force from the wind).
>>>>> The tighter you sail to the wind, the worse the effect will become.
>>>>> Having said all the above, I'm back to lurking :) Dennis McNeely
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
>>>>> Of ROGER PIHLAJA
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:47 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
>> performance?
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>> Here?s an experiment to determine if you have too much mast rake.
>>>>> Assuming light to moderate wind so you can put up full sail,
>>>>> establish a close hauled point of sail, and trim both sails as good as
>> possible.
>>>>> Take note of how much weather helm you have.  Assuming you have the
>>>>> IMF mainsail, reef the mainsail a small amount, say 6 inches.
>>>>> Reestablish a close hauled point of sail and trim the sails as good
>>>>> as possible.  You should now have less weather helm or maybe neutral
>>>>> or even lee helm.  Keep reducing mainsail area until you have
>>>>> eliminated
>>>> all the weather helm.
>>>>> By shortening the forestay, the weather helm can be tuned out of the
>> rig.
>>>>> I like the helm to be neutral to very slight lee helm in light air.
>>>>> As the wind strength builds, the hull is going to heel over no
>>>>> matter how much rail meat you pile onto the windward rail.  I won?t
>>>>> go into the physics of why and how; but, the asymmetric wetted shape
>>>>> of the heeled over hull just naturally generates weather helm.  You
>>>>> counter this tendency towards weather helm by reducing mainsail
>>>>> area.  This moves the rig?s center of effort forward and reduces
>> weather helm.
>>>>> You want to leave the foresail at full area as long as you can keep
>>>>> the boat sailing on her lines and use the mainsail area to balance
>>>>> the
>>>> helm.
>>>>> In light air, there is very little feel to the helm no matter how
>>>>> the rig is tuned.  The easiest point of reference is to have the rig
>>>>> tuned for neutral helm, especially for a novice helmsman.  So, even
>>>>> though the helmsman isn?t getting any feedback thru the tiller,
>>>>> he/she knows to simply center the tiller, and the boat will go
>>>>> straight.  As the wind strength builds and sail area is not reduced,
>>>>> the hull will begin to heel over, and weather helm will build.  The
>>>>> helmsman is now getting plenty of feedback thru the tiller.  If the
>>>>> weather helm gets to be tiresome; then, the mainsail area can always
>>>>> be reduced to take
>>>> the pressure off the tiller.
>>>>> Even a few degrees of rudder angle off center develops an amazing
>>>>> amount of drag.  This slows the boat down and reduces pointing
>>>>> ability.  Remember, the boat is making leeway even when the tiller
>>>>> is centered, and this leeway is enough for the shoal draft keel,
>>>>> centerboard, and rudder blade to work together to develop the
>>>>> required
>>>> lift for the boat to be able to point.
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilbrium
>>>>> Sent from Mail<
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>>>>> Windows
>>>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:32 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
>> performance?
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>> A couple of things to check:
>>>>> 1.   Is your centerboard all the way down?
>>>>> 2.  Is your rudder blade all the way down?
>>>>> 3.  In 5-15 knots of wind, you should use the mainsheet and traveler
>>>>> to center the boom.  Make certain the boom is not rising up and
>>>>> there isn?t too much curl on the leech.  Make certain the mainsail
>>>>> foot out haul is tight.  Without battens, there is only so much you
>>>>> can do with mainsail shape; but, this will set you up to do the best
>>>>> that is
>>>> possible.
>>>>> 4.  Use your backstay adjuster to get the sag out of the forestay.
>>>>> It takes quite a lot of tension on the backstays to remove the
>> forestay sag.
>>>>> Don?t be afraid of cranking on the backstay adjuster.  A mast head
>>>>> rig needs the forestay to have little sag in order to properly form
>>>>> an efficient slot with the mainsail.
>>>>> 5.  Refer to my rig tuning procedure in the archives to adjust the
>>>>> tension in the standing rigging.
>>>>> The Rhodes 22 sails best to weather if it is regarded like a big
>>>>> sailing dingy, as upright as possible.  There should be zero to very
>>>>> slight weather helm.  If you have too much weather helm; then reduce
>>>>> the
>>>> mast rake angle.
>>>>> ie Make the mast rake more perpendicular to the deck.
>>>>> My guess is you have too much mast rake, which is giving you a lot
>>>>> of weather helm, and killing your ability to point to weather.
>>>>> Hopefully, these suggestions help.
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> ?Hi All,
>>>>>> Now that I've been sailing my Rhodes for about a year, I'm
>>>>>> starting to focus on getting the best performance out of her.
>>>>>> While I mostly sail for fun, I do race every couple of weeks and
>>>>>> want to be more competitive.  In particular, I have found that she
>>>>>> does not go to
>>>>> windward very well for me.
>>>>>> I have a 130 genoa and the IMF mainsail.  Until very recently, I
>>>>>> have been routing the jib sheets outside of the outer shrouds and
>>>>>> handrails. That limits how much I can trim the genoa.
>>>>>> Consequently, I can only tack through about 100-120o.
>>>>>> Recently, I tried running the jib sheets between the outer shrouds
>>>>>> and the inner shrouds.  That definitely improved my pointing
>>>>>> ability significantly at the expense of less than optimal headsail
>>>>>> shape on some off wind points of sail.  However, this
>>>>>> configuration lets me use my jib cars to adapt to wind strength
>>>>>> and whether or not I am partially reefed.  I think this will
>>>>>> retain the ability to use a whisker
>>>>> pole on downwind legs.
>>>>>> I did briefly try both of the inboard jib sheet fairlead/cleat
>>>>>> alternatives but using those would seem to require having a second
>>>>>> set of jib sheets and probably going on the foredeck to switch
>>>>>> between them after rounding a mark (I often race solo).  Also,
>>>>>> those options eliminate the ability to control the sheeting angle
>>>>>> to the clew with the
>>>>> jib cars.
>>>>>> I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and comments about what you
>>>>>> have learned about how to optimize your boat's performance.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Mike McKay
>>>>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>>>>>> Allatoona Lake
>>>>>> Acworth, GA

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Fri Apr 29 11:02:12 2022
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (joedempsey)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:02:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4434, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1694.1651237357.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <C0.2C.01822.B0EFB626@hughes.net>

There could be debris in the mast. I had a problem with wasps nesting in the slot.?Maybe having the sail cleaned might help also. And of course,? spraying silicone inside and along the boom slot.Last, but not least? the boom must be perpendicular to the mast. If not it will stick for sure.Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org Date: 4/29/22  9:02 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4434, Issue 1 Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to	rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-listor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.orgYou can reach the person managing the list at	rhodes22-list-owner at rhodes22.orgWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."Today's Topics:?? 1. Re: IMF Fuling piece replacement (Mitch Mitchell)?? 2. Re: IMF Fuling piece replacement (Mitch Mitchell)?? 3. Re: IMF Fuling piece replacement (Mark West)?? 4. IMF sail sticking (Weiss, Robert L)?? 5. Re: IMF Fuling piece replacement (Mitch Mitchell)?? 6. Re: IMF Fuling piece replacement (Hank)?? 7. Re: A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4 (Reuben Mezrich)?? 8. Re: A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4 (Chris Geankoplis)?? 9. Re: IMF sail sticking (Peter Nyberg)? 10. Re: IMF sail sticking (Lowe, Rob)? 11. Re: IMF sail sticking (Cary Tolbert)? 12. Re: IMF sail sticking (stan)? 13. Re: IMF sail sticking (PBR)? 14. Re: How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance? (Bob Cohen)? 15. Re: How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance? (ROGER PIHLAJA)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 06:50:46 -0400From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementMessage-ID: <948C8EA0-FF96-4081-9077-10B31C3C7DD4 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8Thanks Mark and thanks Jerry, that would be awesome!Sent from my iPhone> On Apr 27, 2022, at 1:13 AM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote:> > ?? If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I> had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and> still have a set left.> > Jerry Lowe>? S/V Country Rhodes '86> > > > > > Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles>> contact info and send it to you .?? Mark >> >> >> -----Original Message----->> From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>>> To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement>> >> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast>> that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube>> need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]>> [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]>> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be>> appreciated! I've attached some photos.>> Mitch>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: Rhodes 22-5.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 852850 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL:>> <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment.jpg>>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: Rhodes 22-8.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 1014602 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL:>> <http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment-0001.jpg>>> > > ------------------------------Message: 2Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 06:53:13 -0400From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementMessage-ID: <9AEA95D7-19A8-4336-8E9E-9377A0CEC0F1 at gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8Your absolutely right! I misspoke! It is from the furling tube!Sent from my iPhone> On Apr 27, 2022, at 6:49 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Mitch, Just wondering. The images are of the bushings for jib furling tube> rather than the in mast furling system. Though similar, they are not quite> the same as I recall. Just sayin?.> > Chris Geankoplis> Enosis> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 1:13 AM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:>> >>? If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I>> had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and>> still have a set left.>> >> Jerry Lowe>>? S/V Country Rhodes '86>> >> >> >> >> >> Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles>>> contact info and send it to you .?? Mark>>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----->>> From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>>>> To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement>>> >>> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast>>> that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube>>> need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]>>> [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]>>> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be>>> appreciated! I've attached some photos.>>> Mitch>>> -------------- next part -------------->>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>>> Name: Rhodes 22-5.jpg>>> Type: image/jpeg>>> Size: 852850 bytes>>> Desc: not available>>> URL:>>> <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment.jpg>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------->>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>>> Name: Rhodes 22-8.jpg>>> Type: image/jpeg>>> Size: 1014602 bytes>>> Desc: not available>>> URL:>>> <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment-0001.jpg>>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------Message: 3Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:26:27 +0000 (UTC)From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementMessage-ID: <1555052565.1074674.1651065987461 at mail.yahoo.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"to get parts e mail Stan at General Boats or Charles at? ?charles.gabriel at gmail.com-----Original Message-----From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Sent: Wed, Apr 27, 2022 6:53 amSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementYour absolutely right! I misspoke! It is from the furling tube!Sent from my iPhone> On Apr 27, 2022, at 6:49 AM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Mitch, Just wondering. The images are of the bushings for jib furling tube> rather than the in mast furling system. Though similar, they are not quite> the same as I recall. Just sayin?.> > Chris Geankoplis> Enosis> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 1:13 AM <cjlowe at sssnet.com> wrote:>> >>? If the Stan and company approach doesn't work out, I can spare a pair. I>> had a couple pairs turned for Country Rhodes a couple years ago, and>> still have a set left.>> >> Jerry Lowe>>? S/V Country Rhodes '86>> >> >> >> >> >> Stan with Charles help are fabricating these parts. I will find Charles>>> contact info and send it to you .? Mark>>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----->>> From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>>>> To: Rhodes List Serve <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 8:24 am>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement>>> >>> Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast>>> that I picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube>>> need to be replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg]>>> [image: Rhodes 22-5.jpg]>>> if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be>>> appreciated! I've attached some photos.>>> Mitch>>> -------------- next part -------------->>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>>> Name: Rhodes 22-5.jpg>>> Type: image/jpeg>>> Size: 852850 bytes>>> Desc: not available>>> URL:>>> <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment.jpg>>> >>> -------------- next part -------------->>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>>> Name: Rhodes 22-8.jpg>>> Type: image/jpeg>>> Size: 1014602 bytes>>> Desc: not available>>> URL:>>> <>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220426/84db00ed/attachment-0001.jpg>>> >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------Message: 4Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 13:41:38 +0000From: "Weiss, Robert L" <rweiss at siu.edu>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID:	<CH0PR07MB83787A8290F064323E1CFA55C6FA9 at CH0PR07MB8378.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems. This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding. I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as smooth as it used to be.Thanks for your help.BobBeach Spring1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014Robert L Weiss Jr.Director of MusicFirst United Methodist Carbondale, ILProfessor Emeritus, SIUC------------------------------Message: 5Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 09:48:56 -0400From: Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com>To: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>,? The Rhodes 22 Email List	<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementMessage-ID:	<CAFTyJNWOtMb1MTY2AT9KyVtZipQwZaEM8qRyTu+hm2BUzEzKOw at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Yep, thanks Peter - I am planning on replacing all of the wires as well. Itdid seem like the larger bushing inside the mast was in good shape. Thanks,MMOn Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> I agree that pic looked like Jib furler, IMF has tube not not forestay Mark>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 9:28 am> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement>> Mitch,>> I'm confused by your pictures.? There isn't a wire rope in the IMF> assembly, so, maybe those are pictures of a jib furler?>> In any event that wire needs to be replaced.? One of the pictures clearly> shows that a few strands have broken at the end fitting.>> Peter Nyberg> Coventry, CT> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)>> > On 2022-04-26, at 08:24:34 EDT, Mitch Mitchell wrote:> >> > Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast> that I> > picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube need> to be> > replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg] [image: Rhodes> 22-5.jpg]> > if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be> > appreciated! I've attached some photos.> > Mitch> >>>>------------------------------Message: 6Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 10:18:18 -0400From: Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacementMessage-ID:	<CADQNfMCYYLJ0MYKgLVWMF11VuVyyJ6gEvSOQ+9KtDC9Ej-cqhQ at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"The only wires on the boat all conduct electricity.? What you are talkingabout are the stays, also known as the standing rigging. The runningrigging is your lines used to control the sail such as the halyards (whichyou may or may not even have depending on how your boat is configured) andthe sheets.On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 9:49 AM Mitch Mitchell <mitchpadl at gmail.com> wrote:> Yep, thanks Peter - I am planning on replacing all of the wires as well. It> did seem like the larger bushing inside the mast was in good shape. Thanks,> MM>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2022 at 9:35 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list <> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:>> > I agree that pic looked like Jib furler, IMF has tube not not forestay> Mark> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Sent: Tue, Apr 26, 2022 9:28 am> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Fuling piece replacement> >> > Mitch,> >> > I'm confused by your pictures.? There isn't a wire rope in the IMF> > assembly, so, maybe those are pictures of a jib furler?> >> > In any event that wire needs to be replaced.? One of the pictures clearly> > shows that a few strands have broken at the end fitting.> >> > Peter Nyberg> > Coventry, CT> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)> >> > > On 2022-04-26, at 08:24:34 EDT, Mitch Mitchell wrote:> > >> > > Hi Rhodies, I'm trying to replace my conventional mast with an IMF mast> > that I> > > picked up. The bushings that are in either end of the furling tube need> > to be> > > replaced and I'm wondering[image: Rhodes 22-8.jpg] [image: Rhodes> > 22-5.jpg]> > > if anyone has suggestions on how to do that? Any suggestions would be> > > appreciated! I've attached some photos.> > > Mitch> > >> >> >> >>------------------------------Message: 7Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 11:40:43 -0400From: Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4Message-ID:	<CAHrO9mtuUR8rSL=VgKSuHLz5G-6i7R+rvexaurMiJe6zUXMp+g at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"ChrisLoved this latest installment. Great pictures, great history.I was struck that your pictures of the streets in Monemvasia are similar tothe small streets and byways in parts of Jerusalem...Perhaps both areremnants of the work of ancient roman builders...or that just how thingswere always built around the mediterranean.Say....how about you do a similar travelog on your trip up the ICW?--ReubenReuben MezrichPelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, BostonOn Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>wrote:> Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our> Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.? The link will connect you to the journal> which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.? So when you find time> not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s/view?usp=sharing>> Chris & Alice Geankoplis> Enosis>------------------------------Message: 8Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2022 22:21:44 -0400From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk. 4Message-ID:	<CADNTwiX2JoiP8O-r5wTSxw7iod23cz02fbUPGm+BSUNVmk3MVA at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Hey Reuben,The layout is strictly Byzantine in Monemvasia. No pre-existing Romantemplates. But the Western then Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantines)controlled and built in Jerusalem for 700 years.? So no doubt someoverlapping architecture.Aw I think Alice and I will just mosey our way north and take a break fromjournaling. I?ve still got? something like 12 more weeks of Rhodes in theMed. By the time I?m done, we will be back in FL. Grin.Chris & AliceOn Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 11:41 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>wrote:> Chris> Loved this latest installment. Great pictures, great history.> I was struck that your pictures of the streets in Monemvasia are similar to> the small streets and byways in parts of Jerusalem...Perhaps both are> remnants of the work of ancient roman builders...or that just how things> were always built around the mediterranean.>> Say....how about you do a similar travelog on your trip up the ICW?>> --Reuben>> Reuben Mezrich> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston>>> On Mon, Apr 25, 2022 at 2:56 PM Chris Geankoplis <> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>> wrote:>> > Finally, found time to finish up Week four in our journal of sailing our> > Rhodes 22 in the Mediterranean.? The link will connect you to the journal> > which in turn has links to previous weeks and years.? So when you find> time> > not sailing your Rhodes, sit back and sail vicariously with us.> >> >> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1PX5Lu7QlxmAHqtRxfoF-4KyvXAKZtI8s/view?usp=sharing> >> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis> > Enosis> >>------------------------------Message: 9Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 08:07:23 -0700From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID: <E1nk5jn-006EaI-Fp at s152.servername.online>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"Bob,Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.? My only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has loosened somewhere.? If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need to pull the IMF out a few feet.? If it's at the top, the you'll have to pull out the whole thing.It's been my experience that when something is not working right, sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the problem.Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.Peter NybergCoventry, CTs/v Silverheels (1988/2016)> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:>> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems. > This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to pull out the > block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure the locknut on that > bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut back on is difficult. However, > my sail now sticks a couple times when pulling it out. Never had this problem in > the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding. > I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as smooth as it > used to be. > > Thanks for your help.> Bob> Beach Spring> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014> > > > Robert L Weiss Jr.> Director of Music> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL> Professor Emeritus, SIUC> ------------------------------Message: 10Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 15:18:01 +0000From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID:	<DM6PR05MB6985892FC5109976CAE43EFAC1FD9 at DM6PR05MB6985.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Bob,You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.? Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts inside the IMF.? But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.Rob-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter NybergSent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingBob,Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.? My only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has loosened somewhere.? If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need to pull the IMF out a few feet.? If it's at the top, the you'll have to pull out the whole thing.It's been my experience that when something is not working right, sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the problem.Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.Peter NybergCoventry, CTs/v Silverheels (1988/2016)> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:>> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems. > This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to > pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure > the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut > back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when > pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.> I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as > smooth as it used to be.> > Thanks for your help.> Bob> Beach Spring> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014> > > > Robert L Weiss Jr.> Director of Music> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL> Professor Emeritus, SIUC> ------------------------------Message: 11Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:21:30 -0400From: Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID:	<CAPQvPRrLm90P7ZVxDE5K4NnGegyMZJ1piu387YHRs4rkvwVeqA at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Robert, I had a very similar problem with my IMF. I kept applying thesailkote which eased the problem somewhat? but it kept getting worse. Ipulled the system out at the end of the year after I pulled the boat forthe season. The problem was that one of the spacers had split and brokenoff. I guess it jammed the movement of the system sparoticaly. I contactedGeneral Boats and found they did not sell just the replacement piece Ineeded. They only sell the entire assembly. Which I think was $300 plus andtook months and months to receive after I ordered it. If you have the toolsand skills you can make the part. It consists of STARBOARD and stainlesssteel screws and bolts. These parts are not under much stress, so I guessit is just heat from the sun and inside the mast that makes it brittle.Here is hoping it is something simple. Good Luck.Cary TolbertS/V WhisperClaytor Lake VAOn Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 11:18 AM Lowe, Rob <rlowe at vt.edu> wrote:> Bob,> You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.> Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts> inside the IMF.? But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.>> Rob>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of> Peter Nyberg> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking>> Bob,>> Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than> dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.? My> only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has> loosened somewhere.? If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need> to pull the IMF out a few feet.? If it's at the top, the you'll have to> pull out the whole thing.>> It's been my experience that when something is not working right,> sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the> problem.>> Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.>> Peter Nyberg> Coventry, CT> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)>> > On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:> >> > I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few> problems.> > This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to> > pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure> > the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut> > back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when> > pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for> what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.> > I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as> > smooth as it used to be.> >> > Thanks for your help.> > Bob> > Beach Spring> > 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014> >> >> >> > Robert L Weiss Jr.> > Director of Music> > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL> > Professor Emeritus, SIUC> >>>------------------------------Message: 12Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:33:09 -0400From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID: <b9c6a255-1807-ca5e-83e7-d3f525f2e954 at generalboats.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed"Dear ROC member Bob,Please *do not* lubricate your IMF system.? Contact me directly.? As Peter implies, unless someone bent your mast in half, it will not be something that You and I (and dollar Bill if it */is/* a broken mast), can't fix.stanOn 4/28/22 11:18 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:> Bob,> You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.? Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts inside the IMF.? But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.>> Rob>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>? On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AM> To:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking>> Bob,>> Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.? My only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has loosened somewhere.? If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need to pull the IMF out a few feet.? If it's at the top, the you'll have to pull out the whole thing.>> It's been my experience that when something is not working right, sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the problem.>> Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.>> Peter Nyberg> Coventry, CT> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)>>> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:>>>> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few problems.>> This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to>> pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure>> the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut>> back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when>> pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.>> I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as>> smooth as it used to be.>>>> Thanks for your help.>> Bob>> Beach Spring>> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014>>>>>>>> Robert L Weiss Jr.>> Director of Music>> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL>> Professor Emeritus, SIUC>>------------------------------Message: 13Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 12:59:33 -0400From: PBR <pbryanriley at gmail.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail stickingMessage-ID:	<CAJGJx+CGbkxETGuNzuPtxzY5M1q3VY8uRy_ptiyhhPjy0nkH+g at mail.gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Bob,I once replaced one of the screws in that block with one that was a bit toolong and unknowingly contacted the furling tube, causing some sticking.Could be that if you changed any parts.PatrickOn Thu, Apr 28, 2022 at 12:33 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:> Dear ROC member Bob,>> Please *do not* lubricate your IMF system.? Contact me directly.? As> Peter implies, unless someone bent your mast in half, it will not be> something that You and I (and dollar Bill if it */is/* a broken mast),> can't fix.>> stan>> On 4/28/22 11:18 AM, Lowe, Rob wrote:> > Bob,> > You could always try some Sailkote or some other dry lubricant first.> Spray as much of the slot as you can and try to get any rotating parts> inside the IMF.? But if that doesn't help, I agree with Peter.> >> > Rob> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Rhodes22-list<rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>? On Behalf Of> Peter Nyberg> > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 11:07 AM> > To:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sail sticking> >> > Bob,> >> > Unfortunately, I don't think there's any way to resolve this other than> dropping the mast and pulling out the IMF assembly, at least part way.? My> only guess as to what might be going on is that some screw or bolt has> loosened somewhere.? If this has happened at the bottom, you'll only need> to pull the IMF out a few feet.? If it's at the top, the you'll have to> pull out the whole thing.> >> > It's been my experience that when something is not working right,> sometimes just taking it apart and putting it back together will solve the> problem.> >> > Good luck, and please let us know how things work out.> >> > Peter Nyberg> > Coventry, CT> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)> >> >> On 2022-04-27, at 09:41:38 EDT, Weiss, Robert L wrote:> >>> >> I bought my recycled Rhodes 22 from Stan in 2014 and have had very few> problems.> >> This year when I opened up the boat, I dropped the mast in order to> >> pull out the block that holds the boom to the mast and better secure> >> the locknut on that bolt. It kept working loose and getting the nut> >> back on is difficult. However, my sail now sticks a couple times when> >> pulling it out. Never had this problem in the past. Any suggestions for> what the problem is? I can't see what is binding.> >> I can always eventually get the sail unstuck, but it just isn't as> >> smooth as it used to be.> >>> >> Thanks for your help.> >> Bob> >> Beach Spring> >> 1998 Rhodes 22 Recycled in 2014> >>> >>> >>> >> Robert L Weiss Jr.> >> Director of Music> >> First United Methodist Carbondale, IL> >> Professor Emeritus, SIUC> >>>>>>------------------------------Message: 14Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2022 17:48:22 -0400From: "Bob Cohen" <bobfcohen at gmail.com>To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind	performance?Message-ID: <066b01d85b49$af148f10$0d3dad30$@gmail.com>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"Dennis -I am just now getting around to reading this very interesting conversation.My wife (who is from Detroit) and I live in West Virginia but we have a summer house in Arcadia, MI.? A few years ago we bought our first sailboat - a 2007 Rhodes 22 - which we keep in Onekama on Portage Lake, with water access to Lake Michigan.? We are novices and would like to sail with others who have Rhodes experience.If you should want to come Up North this summer, we would welcome you and your wife to sail with us.? I can be reached at bobfcohen at gmail.com. Bob Cohens/v Silver Bay-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Dennis McNeelySent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:13 PMTo: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?Thanks for the invitation Stephen! We still have Magic Moments, our '86 Rhodes 22, but it has been spending most of its time hanging in our boat lift. I started some galley retrofits in an effort to interest Sandi in sailing, but it was not to be, so now I work on the boat from time to time, and when the wind is right for a broad reach over to Canada and back I'll drop her in the water and head out. I still love the magic moment when I silence the motor and the wind begins to drive the boat. <sigh>But... the trawler presents other opportunities for Sandi and I, and will better deal with some of Mother Nature's silliness when she blows up 4 - 6 foot waves on the lake with little notice.? And so I lurk here on DaList - sailing vicariously with all of you!DennisS/V Magic MomentsM/V Magic Moments, the Sequel ?? ... and dinghy Magician's Apprentice-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stephen StaumSent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:13 PMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?Thanks Dennis.? My wife's first comment when I took her sailing in 2002 on a Pearson 26 (which has a full heavy keel) was:? This is very nice but does it have to tilt like this?I knew I was in trouble.? The next year we got our first Rhodes 22, an '87 with IMF.? Needless to say, it is far more tender than the Pearson 26 (which was a club boat) so I learned to reef early and often.? We are now on our 3rd Rhodes.? Last year we bought the s/v Pinafore, a '90 that was refurbed by Stan in 2016 and sold our beloved Carol Lee 2.? The CL2 was an'83 that I converted to an IMF main using the mast salvaged from the Carol Lee which swamped and turtled in a hurricane in 2011 and was totaled by Boat US Insurance.? The Pinafore has the fully enclosed head with flush toilet instead of the porta potti, electric motor lift to save my old back and a 2016 (very quiet) 4 stroke Evinrude outboard to make motoring to and from the mooring far more pleasant than our old (but very reliable) screaming 2 stroke.Also worth mentioning,? my wife Carol does not swim well and is terrified of the water.? I bought her an offshore automatic inflatable life vest when we first started and she has sailed with me almost every weekend since.The little boat is our on-the-water summer home.? We often sail with the Genoa (now a 130) only and I even reef that if the wind gusts get over 10 knots.? We survived a sudden squall 2 years ago with 70 mph winds and 5 foot seas!? I was tethered at the helm with Carol in the cabin with the pop top down.? It was terrifying but the seaworthiness of the Rhodes 22 (with some credit to the idiot at the helm) carried the day.? Carol even came back and sailed with me the following weekend!So Dennis, if you want to give the Rhodes another try, come on out to Massachusetts this season and sail with us on the Pinafore.? I don't know if I'll get it together but I am scheduled to launch the first week in May and the launch service continues 7 days a week from 8 am to 9 pm until October 31.? We sail out of the Hingham Shipyard Marina which leads to nicely protected waters and the lovely Boston Harbor Islands.? Best weather is from July through September.? Let me know if and when you want to come.*Thanks and Stay Well,**Stephen Staum**s/v Pinafore**Needham, MA*On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:51 AM Dennis McNeely <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>wrote:> Salute Stephen -> I'm on an island in the Detroit River - in Gibraltar, Michigan. I > really enjoyed my Rhodes 22, but then I met a lady who didn't deal > well with the boat when heeling - so now we have a trawler and I sail > a pair of Detroit Diesels. A bit of a bummer, but I'm still out on the > water, and she's happy with it!> Dennis McNeely>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of > Stephen Staum> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:15 AM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?>> Dennis that was a great comment.? In addition to performance, I > noticed years ago that my lazerette would fill with water when the > boat sat stern low on the trailer in my yard (it is a slight hill > causing the bow low condition).? It never filled on the mooring as the > boat normally sits with the bow lower.> Where are you from Dennis?>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*>> *Stephen Staum*> *s/v Pinafore*>> *Needham, MA*>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dennis McNeely < > mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>> wrote:>> > Greetings all -> > One other thought... if you don't have enough weight forward, the > > bow of the boat can't provide enough lateral resistance to counter > > the force of the sails.> > Put differently, if too much weight is aft, the wind will push the > > sail, mast, and boat forward - but it will also push it sideways.> > That lateral push is countered by your rudder and centerboard, but > > it's also countered by the submerged bow of the boat. If the bow is > > too far out of the water or the stern is submerged too much, trying > > to balance your rig is a non-starter.> > Stated differently, if the stern is weighted down and the bow is > > riding high, you'll be continually pushed off the wind, because you > > won't be able to get the center of effort (the place where the force > > of the wind pushes your boat) over the center of resistance (the > > spot on the keel where the water resists force from the wind).> > The tighter you sail to the wind, the worse the effect will become.> > Having said all the above, I'm back to lurking :) Dennis McNeely> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf > > Of ROGER PIHLAJA> > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:47 AM> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?> >> > Mike,> >> > Here?s an experiment to determine if you have too much mast rake.> > Assuming light to moderate wind so you can put up full sail, > > establish a close hauled point of sail, and trim both sails as good as possible.> > Take note of how much weather helm you have.? Assuming you have the > > IMF mainsail, reef the mainsail a small amount, say 6 inches.> > Reestablish a close hauled point of sail and trim the sails as good > > as possible.? You should now have less weather helm or maybe neutral > > or even lee helm.? Keep reducing mainsail area until you have > > eliminated> all the weather helm.> >> > By shortening the forestay, the weather helm can be tuned out of the rig.> > I like the helm to be neutral to very slight lee helm in light air.> > As the wind strength builds, the hull is going to heel over no > > matter how much rail meat you pile onto the windward rail.? I won?t > > go into the physics of why and how; but, the asymmetric wetted shape > > of the heeled over hull just naturally generates weather helm.? You > > counter this tendency towards weather helm by reducing mainsail > > area.? This moves the rig?s center of effort forward and reduces weather helm.> > You want to leave the foresail at full area as long as you can keep > > the boat sailing on her lines and use the mainsail area to balance > > the> helm.> >> > In light air, there is very little feel to the helm no matter how > > the rig is tuned.? The easiest point of reference is to have the rig > > tuned for neutral helm, especially for a novice helmsman.? So, even > > though the helmsman isn?t getting any feedback thru the tiller, > > he/she knows to simply center the tiller, and the boat will go > > straight.? As the wind strength builds and sail area is not reduced, > > the hull will begin to heel over, and weather helm will build.? The > > helmsman is now getting plenty of feedback thru the tiller.? If the > > weather helm gets to be tiresome; then, the mainsail area can always > > be reduced to take> the pressure off the tiller.> > Even a few degrees of rudder angle off center develops an amazing > > amount of drag.? This slows the boat down and reduces pointing > > ability.? Remember, the boat is making leeway even when the tiller > > is centered, and this leeway is enough for the shoal draft keel, > > centerboard, and rudder blade to work together to develop the > > required> lift for the boat to be able to point.> >> > Roger Pihlaja> > S/V Dynamic Equilbrium> >> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > > Windows> >> > From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>> > Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:32 PM> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?> >> > Mike,> >> > A couple of things to check:> >> > 1.?? Is your centerboard all the way down?> >> > 2.? Is your rudder blade all the way down?> >> > 3.? In 5-15 knots of wind, you should use the mainsheet and traveler > > to center the boom.? Make certain the boom is not rising up and > > there isn?t too much curl on the leech.? Make certain the mainsail > > foot out haul is tight.? Without battens, there is only so much you > > can do with mainsail shape; but, this will set you up to do the best > > that is> possible.> >> > 4.? Use your backstay adjuster to get the sag out of the forestay.? > > It takes quite a lot of tension on the backstays to remove the forestay sag.> > Don?t be afraid of cranking on the backstay adjuster.? A mast head > > rig needs the forestay to have little sag in order to properly form > > an efficient slot with the mainsail.> >> > 5.? Refer to my rig tuning procedure in the archives to adjust the > > tension in the standing rigging.> >> > The Rhodes 22 sails best to weather if it is regarded like a big > > sailing dingy, as upright as possible.? There should be zero to very > > slight weather helm.? If you have too much weather helm; then reduce > > the> mast rake angle.> > ie Make the mast rake more perpendicular to the deck.> >> > My guess is you have too much mast rake, which is giving you a lot > > of weather helm, and killing your ability to point to weather.> >> > Hopefully, these suggestions help.> >> > Roger Pihlaja> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium> >> > Sent from my iPhone> >> > > On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:> > >> > > ?Hi All,> > >> > > Now that I've been sailing my Rhodes for about a year, I'm > > > starting to focus on getting the best performance out of her.> > > While I mostly sail for fun, I do race every couple of weeks and > > > want to be more competitive.? In particular, I have found that she > > > does not go to> > windward very well for me.> > >> > >> > > I have a 130 genoa and the IMF mainsail.? Until very recently, I > > > have been routing the jib sheets outside of the outer shrouds and > > > handrails. That limits how much I can trim the genoa.> > > Consequently, I can only tack through about 100-120o.> > >> > > Recently, I tried running the jib sheets between the outer shrouds > > > and the inner shrouds.? That definitely improved my pointing > > > ability significantly at the expense of less than optimal headsail > > > shape on some off wind points of sail.? However, this > > > configuration lets me use my jib cars to adapt to wind strength > > > and whether or not I am partially reefed.? I think this will > > > retain the ability to use a whisker> > pole on downwind legs.> > >> > > I did briefly try both of the inboard jib sheet fairlead/cleat > > > alternatives but using those would seem to require having a second > > > set of jib sheets and probably going on the foredeck to switch > > > between them after rounding a mark (I often race solo).? Also, > > > those options eliminate the ability to control the sheeting angle > > > to the clew with the> > jib cars.> > >> > > I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and comments about what you > > > have learned about how to optimize your boat's performance.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > >> > > Mike McKay> > > s/v Liber (2006/2018)> > > Allatoona Lake> > > Acworth, GA> > >> > >> >> >> >>>------------------------------Message: 15Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 13:02:35 +0000From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind	performance?Message-ID:	<CH2PR02MB69203F2483258E88DFBD768D80FC9 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>	Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Hi All,This thread has gotten a bit off topic from the original topic of improving upwind performance.? To those whose spouses don?t like heeling, get them out on a catamaran and see what they think.? & I don?t mean a small beachable cat either.? Beach cats are too easy to capsize.? I mean get them out sailing on a big cruising catamaran.? Every year, I take my Boy Scout troop out for a day sail on my friend?s 42 ft LOA cat, S/V Now What? .?? Effortless 7-10 knot cruising speeds under sail with ~4 deg of heel, lots of deck space to stretch out on, and no motor sounds.? You do have to contend with the ?Whooshing?? sound from the twin rooster tails coming off the stern.?? It?s an expensive solution; but, it will forever change the way you look at monohull sailboats.Roger PihlajaS/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone> On Apr 28, 2022, at 5:48 PM, Bob Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:> > ?Dennis -> > I am just now getting around to reading this very interesting conversation.> > My wife (who is from Detroit) and I live in West Virginia but we have a summer house in Arcadia, MI.? A few years ago we bought our first sailboat - a 2007 Rhodes 22 - which we keep in Onekama on Portage Lake, with water access to Lake Michigan.? We are novices and would like to sail with others who have Rhodes experience.> > If you should want to come Up North this summer, we would welcome you and your wife to sail with us.? I can be reached at bobfcohen at gmail.com. > > Bob Cohen> s/v Silver Bay> > -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Dennis McNeely> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:13 PM> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?> > Thanks for the invitation Stephen! > > We still have Magic Moments, our '86 Rhodes 22, but it has been spending most of its time hanging in our boat lift. I started some galley retrofits in an effort to interest Sandi in sailing, but it was not to be, so now I work on the boat from time to time, and when the wind is right for a broad reach over to Canada and back I'll drop her in the water and head out. I still love the magic moment when I silence the motor and the wind begins to drive the boat. <sigh>> > But... the trawler presents other opportunities for Sandi and I, and will better deal with some of Mother Nature's silliness when she blows up 4 - 6 foot waves on the lake with little notice.? > > And so I lurk here on DaList - sailing vicariously with all of you!> > Dennis> S/V Magic Moments> M/V Magic Moments, the Sequel >?? ... and dinghy Magician's Apprentice> > -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Stephen Staum> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:13 PM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?> > Thanks Dennis.? My wife's first comment when I took her sailing in 2002 on a Pearson 26 (which has a full heavy keel) was:? This is very nice but does it have to tilt like this?> I knew I was in trouble.? The next year we got our first Rhodes 22, an '87 with IMF.? Needless to say, it is far more tender than the Pearson 26 (which was a club boat) so I learned to reef early and often.? We are now on our 3rd Rhodes.? Last year we bought the s/v Pinafore, a '90 that was refurbed by Stan in 2016 and sold our beloved Carol Lee 2.? The CL2 was an> '83 that I converted to an IMF main using the mast salvaged from the Carol Lee which swamped and turtled in a hurricane in 2011 and was totaled by Boat US Insurance.? The Pinafore has the fully enclosed head with flush toilet instead of the porta potti, electric motor lift to save my old back and a 2016 (very quiet) 4 stroke Evinrude outboard to make motoring to and from the mooring far more pleasant than our old (but very reliable) screaming 2 stroke.> > Also worth mentioning,? my wife Carol does not swim well and is terrified of the water.? I bought her an offshore automatic inflatable life vest when we first started and she has sailed with me almost every weekend since.> The little boat is our on-the-water summer home.? We often sail with the Genoa (now a 130) only and I even reef that if the wind gusts get over 10 knots.? We survived a sudden squall 2 years ago with 70 mph winds and 5 foot seas!? I was tethered at the helm with Carol in the cabin with the pop top down.? It was terrifying but the seaworthiness of the Rhodes 22 (with some credit to the idiot at the helm) carried the day.? Carol even came back and sailed with me the following weekend!> > So Dennis, if you want to give the Rhodes another try, come on out to Massachusetts this season and sail with us on the Pinafore.? I don't know if I'll get it together but I am scheduled to launch the first week in May and the launch service continues 7 days a week from 8 am to 9 pm until October 31.? We sail out of the Hingham Shipyard Marina which leads to nicely protected waters and the lovely Boston Harbor Islands.? Best weather is from July through September.? Let me know if and when you want to come.> > > *Thanks and Stay Well,*> > *Stephen Staum*> *s/v Pinafore*> > *Needham, MA*> > > >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:51 AM Dennis McNeely <mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>>> wrote:>> >> Salute Stephen ->> I'm on an island in the Detroit River - in Gibraltar, Michigan. I >> really enjoyed my Rhodes 22, but then I met a lady who didn't deal >> well with the boat when heeling - so now we have a trawler and I sail >> a pair of Detroit Diesels. A bit of a bummer, but I'm still out on the >> water, and she's happy with it!>> Dennis McNeely>> >> -----Original Message----->> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of >> Stephen Staum>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:15 AM>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?>> >> Dennis that was a great comment.? In addition to performance, I >> noticed years ago that my lazerette would fill with water when the >> boat sat stern low on the trailer in my yard (it is a slight hill >> causing the bow low condition).? It never filled on the mooring as the >> boat normally sits with the bow lower.>> Where are you from Dennis?>> >> >> *Thanks and Stay Well,*>> >> *Stephen Staum*>> *s/v Pinafore*>> >> *Needham, MA*>> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dennis McNeely < >> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>>> wrote:>> >>> Greetings all ->>> One other thought... if you don't have enough weight forward, the >>> bow of the boat can't provide enough lateral resistance to counter >>> the force of the sails.>>> Put differently, if too much weight is aft, the wind will push the >>> sail, mast, and boat forward - but it will also push it sideways.>>> That lateral push is countered by your rudder and centerboard, but >>> it's also countered by the submerged bow of the boat. If the bow is >>> too far out of the water or the stern is submerged too much, trying >>> to balance your rig is a non-starter.>>> Stated differently, if the stern is weighted down and the bow is >>> riding high, you'll be continually pushed off the wind, because you >>> won't be able to get the center of effort (the place where the force >>> of the wind pushes your boat) over the center of resistance (the >>> spot on the keel where the water resists force from the wind).>>> The tighter you sail to the wind, the worse the effect will become.>>> Having said all the above, I'm back to lurking :) Dennis McNeely>>> >>> -----Original Message----->>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf >>> Of ROGER PIHLAJA>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:47 AM>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?>>> >>> Mike,>>> >>> Here?s an experiment to determine if you have too much mast rake.>>> Assuming light to moderate wind so you can put up full sail, >>> establish a close hauled point of sail, and trim both sails as good as possible.>>> Take note of how much weather helm you have.? Assuming you have the >>> IMF mainsail, reef the mainsail a small amount, say 6 inches.>>> Reestablish a close hauled point of sail and trim the sails as good >>> as possible.? You should now have less weather helm or maybe neutral >>> or even lee helm.? Keep reducing mainsail area until you have >>> eliminated>> all the weather helm.>>> >>> By shortening the forestay, the weather helm can be tuned out of the rig.>>> I like the helm to be neutral to very slight lee helm in light air.>>> As the wind strength builds, the hull is going to heel over no >>> matter how much rail meat you pile onto the windward rail.? I won?t >>> go into the physics of why and how; but, the asymmetric wetted shape >>> of the heeled over hull just naturally generates weather helm.? You >>> counter this tendency towards weather helm by reducing mainsail >>> area.? This moves the rig?s center of effort forward and reduces weather helm.>>> You want to leave the foresail at full area as long as you can keep >>> the boat sailing on her lines and use the mainsail area to balance >>> the>> helm.>>> >>> In light air, there is very little feel to the helm no matter how >>> the rig is tuned.? The easiest point of reference is to have the rig >>> tuned for neutral helm, especially for a novice helmsman.? So, even >>> though the helmsman isn?t getting any feedback thru the tiller, >>> he/she knows to simply center the tiller, and the boat will go >>> straight.? As the wind strength builds and sail area is not reduced, >>> the hull will begin to heel over, and weather helm will build.? The >>> helmsman is now getting plenty of feedback thru the tiller.? If the >>> weather helm gets to be tiresome; then, the mainsail area can always >>> be reduced to take>> the pressure off the tiller.>>> Even a few degrees of rudder angle off center develops an amazing >>> amount of drag.? This slows the boat down and reduces pointing >>> ability.? Remember, the boat is making leeway even when the tiller >>> is centered, and this leeway is enough for the shoal draft keel, >>> centerboard, and rudder blade to work together to develop the >>> required>> lift for the boat to be able to point.>>> >>> Roger Pihlaja>>> S/V Dynamic Equilbrium>>> >>> Sent from Mail<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C7713637c4e974990e5da08da2960d40f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637867793114335541%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=hZxNo3h0a1lZA635p3cIqyflTwVxSczA58rMy41fONY%3D&amp;reserved=0> for >>> Windows>>> >>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:32 PM>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?>>> >>> Mike,>>> >>> A couple of things to check:>>> >>> 1.?? Is your centerboard all the way down?>>> >>> 2.? Is your rudder blade all the way down?>>> >>> 3.? In 5-15 knots of wind, you should use the mainsheet and traveler >>> to center the boom.? Make certain the boom is not rising up and >>> there isn?t too much curl on the leech.? Make certain the mainsail >>> foot out haul is tight.? Without battens, there is only so much you >>> can do with mainsail shape; but, this will set you up to do the best >>> that is>> possible.>>> >>> 4.? Use your backstay adjuster to get the sag out of the forestay.? >>> It takes quite a lot of tension on the backstays to remove the forestay sag.>>> Don?t be afraid of cranking on the backstay adjuster.? A mast head >>> rig needs the forestay to have little sag in order to properly form >>> an efficient slot with the mainsail.>>> >>> 5.? Refer to my rig tuning procedure in the archives to adjust the >>> tension in the standing rigging.>>> >>> The Rhodes 22 sails best to weather if it is regarded like a big >>> sailing dingy, as upright as possible.? There should be zero to very >>> slight weather helm.? If you have too much weather helm; then reduce >>> the>> mast rake angle.>>> ie Make the mast rake more perpendicular to the deck.>>> >>> My guess is you have too much mast rake, which is giving you a lot >>> of weather helm, and killing your ability to point to weather.>>> >>> Hopefully, these suggestions help.>>> >>> Roger Pihlaja>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone>>> >>>> On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:>>>> >>>> ?Hi All,>>>> >>>> Now that I've been sailing my Rhodes for about a year, I'm >>>> starting to focus on getting the best performance out of her.>>>> While I mostly sail for fun, I do race every couple of weeks and >>>> want to be more competitive.? In particular, I have found that she >>>> does not go to>>> windward very well for me.>>>> >>>> >>>> I have a 130 genoa and the IMF mainsail.? Until very recently, I >>>> have been routing the jib sheets outside of the outer shrouds and >>>> handrails. That limits how much I can trim the genoa.>>>> Consequently, I can only tack through about 100-120o.>>>> >>>> Recently, I tried running the jib sheets between the outer shrouds >>>> and the inner shrouds.? That definitely improved my pointing >>>> ability significantly at the expense of less than optimal headsail >>>> shape on some off wind points of sail.? However, this >>>> configuration lets me use my jib cars to adapt to wind strength >>>> and whether or not I am partially reefed.? I think this will >>>> retain the ability to use a whisker>>> pole on downwind legs.>>>> >>>> I did briefly try both of the inboard jib sheet fairlead/cleat >>>> alternatives but using those would seem to require having a second >>>> set of jib sheets and probably going on the foredeck to switch >>>> between them after rounding a mark (I often race solo).? Also, >>>> those options eliminate the ability to control the sheeting angle >>>> to the clew with the>>> jib cars.>>>> >>>> I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and comments about what you >>>> have learned about how to optimize your boat's performance.>>>> >>>> Thanks,>>>> >>>> >>>> Mike McKay>>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)>>>> Allatoona Lake>>>> Acworth, GA>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ------------------------------Subject: Digest Footer_______________________________________________Rhodes22-list mailing listRhodes22-list at rhodes22.orghttp://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list------------------------------End of Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4434, Issue 1**********************************************

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Apr 29 11:25:29 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 15:25:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list]  How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
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Cary,

Well, you?re still helming and trimming sails, tacking & gibing, you still have to navigate, and docking is way more challenging.  But, you?re going twice as fast, not getting wet, and having to brace yourself when the boat heels over.  If it meant the difference between your spouse insisting on a powerboat or this kind of sailboat, what would you choose?  By the way, note that I still have S/V Dynamic Equilibrium.  Do we have to be uncomfortable &/or a little scared on our boats in order to enjoy them?  My sons would answer ?YES!!!?; but, they don?t think the fun starts until the small craft warnings go up!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2022, at 9:17 AM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?That sounds nice Roger but where is the fun. It is like FLAG football. Is
> it really football?
> Cary
> S/V Whisper
> Claytor Lake, VA
> 
>> On Fri, Apr 29, 2022 at 9:02 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> This thread has gotten a bit off topic from the original topic of
>> improving upwind performance.  To those whose spouses don?t like heeling,
>> get them out on a catamaran and see what they think.  & I don?t mean a
>> small beachable cat either.  Beach cats are too easy to capsize.  I mean
>> get them out sailing on a big cruising catamaran.  Every year, I take my
>> Boy Scout troop out for a day sail on my friend?s 42 ft LOA cat, S/V Now
>> What? .   Effortless 7-10 knot cruising speeds under sail with ~4 deg of
>> heel, lots of deck space to stretch out on, and no motor sounds.  You do
>> have to contend with the ?Whooshing?  sound from the twin rooster tails
>> coming off the stern.   It?s an expensive solution; but, it will forever
>> change the way you look at monohull sailboats.
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Apr 28, 2022, at 5:48 PM, Bob Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ?Dennis -
>>> I am just now getting around to reading this very interesting
>> conversation.
>>> My wife (who is from Detroit) and I live in West Virginia but we have a
>> summer house in Arcadia, MI.  A few years ago we bought our first sailboat
>> - a 2007 Rhodes 22 - which we keep in Onekama on Portage Lake, with water
>> access to Lake Michigan.  We are novices and would like to sail with others
>> who have Rhodes experience.
>>> If you should want to come Up North this summer, we would welcome you
>> and your wife to sail with us.  I can be reached at bobfcohen at gmail.com.
>>> Bob Cohen
>>> s/v Silver Bay
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Dennis McNeely
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:13 PM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
>>> Thanks for the invitation Stephen!
>>> We still have Magic Moments, our '86 Rhodes 22, but it has been spending
>> most of its time hanging in our boat lift. I started some galley retrofits
>> in an effort to interest Sandi in sailing, but it was not to be, so now I
>> work on the boat from time to time, and when the wind is right for a broad
>> reach over to Canada and back I'll drop her in the water and head out. I
>> still love the magic moment when I silence the motor and the wind begins to
>> drive the boat. <sigh>
>>> But... the trawler presents other opportunities for Sandi and I, and
>> will better deal with some of Mother Nature's silliness when she blows up 4
>> - 6 foot waves on the lake with little notice.
>>> And so I lurk here on DaList - sailing vicariously with all of you!
>>> Dennis
>>> S/V Magic Moments
>>> M/V Magic Moments, the Sequel
>>> ... and dinghy Magician's Apprentice
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Stephen Staum
>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 1:13 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind performance?
>>> Thanks Dennis.  My wife's first comment when I took her sailing in 2002
>> on a Pearson 26 (which has a full heavy keel) was:  This is very nice but
>> does it have to tilt like this?
>>> I knew I was in trouble.  The next year we got our first Rhodes 22, an
>> '87 with IMF.  Needless to say, it is far more tender than the Pearson 26
>> (which was a club boat) so I learned to reef early and often.  We are now
>> on our 3rd Rhodes.  Last year we bought the s/v Pinafore, a '90 that was
>> refurbed by Stan in 2016 and sold our beloved Carol Lee 2.  The CL2 was an
>>> '83 that I converted to an IMF main using the mast salvaged from the
>> Carol Lee which swamped and turtled in a hurricane in 2011 and was totaled
>> by Boat US Insurance.  The Pinafore has the fully enclosed head with flush
>> toilet instead of the porta potti, electric motor lift to save my old back
>> and a 2016 (very quiet) 4 stroke Evinrude outboard to make motoring to and
>> from the mooring far more pleasant than our old (but very reliable)
>> screaming 2 stroke.
>>> Also worth mentioning,  my wife Carol does not swim well and is
>> terrified of the water.  I bought her an offshore automatic inflatable life
>> vest when we first started and she has sailed with me almost every weekend
>> since.
>>> The little boat is our on-the-water summer home.  We often sail with the
>> Genoa (now a 130) only and I even reef that if the wind gusts get over 10
>> knots.  We survived a sudden squall 2 years ago with 70 mph winds and 5
>> foot seas!  I was tethered at the helm with Carol in the cabin with the pop
>> top down.  It was terrifying but the seaworthiness of the Rhodes 22 (with
>> some credit to the idiot at the helm) carried the day.  Carol even came
>> back and sailed with me the following weekend!
>>> So Dennis, if you want to give the Rhodes another try, come on out to
>> Massachusetts this season and sail with us on the Pinafore.  I don't know
>> if I'll get it together but I am scheduled to launch the first week in May
>> and the launch service continues 7 days a week from 8 am to 9 pm until
>> October 31.  We sail out of the Hingham Shipyard Marina which leads to
>> nicely protected waters and the lovely Boston Harbor Islands.  Best weather
>> is from July through September.  Let me know if and when you want to come.
>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>>> *Stephen Staum*
>>> *s/v Pinafore*
>>> *Needham, MA*
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 11:51 AM Dennis McNeely <
>> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Salute Stephen -
>>>> I'm on an island in the Detroit River - in Gibraltar, Michigan. I
>>>> really enjoyed my Rhodes 22, but then I met a lady who didn't deal
>>>> well with the boat when heeling - so now we have a trawler and I sail
>>>> a pair of Detroit Diesels. A bit of a bummer, but I'm still out on the
>>>> water, and she's happy with it!
>>>> Dennis McNeely
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>>>> Stephen Staum
>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 11:15 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
>> performance?
>>>> Dennis that was a great comment.  In addition to performance, I
>>>> noticed years ago that my lazerette would fill with water when the
>>>> boat sat stern low on the trailer in my yard (it is a slight hill
>>>> causing the bow low condition).  It never filled on the mooring as the
>>>> boat normally sits with the bow lower.
>>>> Where are you from Dennis?
>>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>>>> *Stephen Staum*
>>>> *s/v Pinafore*
>>>> *Needham, MA*
>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:36 AM Dennis McNeely <
>>>> mcneelyd at site-solutions.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Greetings all -
>>>>> One other thought... if you don't have enough weight forward, the
>>>>> bow of the boat can't provide enough lateral resistance to counter
>>>>> the force of the sails.
>>>>> Put differently, if too much weight is aft, the wind will push the
>>>>> sail, mast, and boat forward - but it will also push it sideways.
>>>>> That lateral push is countered by your rudder and centerboard, but
>>>>> it's also countered by the submerged bow of the boat. If the bow is
>>>>> too far out of the water or the stern is submerged too much, trying
>>>>> to balance your rig is a non-starter.
>>>>> Stated differently, if the stern is weighted down and the bow is
>>>>> riding high, you'll be continually pushed off the wind, because you
>>>>> won't be able to get the center of effort (the place where the force
>>>>> of the wind pushes your boat) over the center of resistance (the
>>>>> spot on the keel where the water resists force from the wind).
>>>>> The tighter you sail to the wind, the worse the effect will become.
>>>>> Having said all the above, I'm back to lurking :) Dennis McNeely
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
>>>>> Of ROGER PIHLAJA
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2022 8:47 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
>> performance?
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>> Here?s an experiment to determine if you have too much mast rake.
>>>>> Assuming light to moderate wind so you can put up full sail,
>>>>> establish a close hauled point of sail, and trim both sails as good as
>> possible.
>>>>> Take note of how much weather helm you have.  Assuming you have the
>>>>> IMF mainsail, reef the mainsail a small amount, say 6 inches.
>>>>> Reestablish a close hauled point of sail and trim the sails as good
>>>>> as possible.  You should now have less weather helm or maybe neutral
>>>>> or even lee helm.  Keep reducing mainsail area until you have
>>>>> eliminated
>>>> all the weather helm.
>>>>> By shortening the forestay, the weather helm can be tuned out of the
>> rig.
>>>>> I like the helm to be neutral to very slight lee helm in light air.
>>>>> As the wind strength builds, the hull is going to heel over no
>>>>> matter how much rail meat you pile onto the windward rail.  I won?t
>>>>> go into the physics of why and how; but, the asymmetric wetted shape
>>>>> of the heeled over hull just naturally generates weather helm.  You
>>>>> counter this tendency towards weather helm by reducing mainsail
>>>>> area.  This moves the rig?s center of effort forward and reduces
>> weather helm.
>>>>> You want to leave the foresail at full area as long as you can keep
>>>>> the boat sailing on her lines and use the mainsail area to balance
>>>>> the
>>>> helm.
>>>>> In light air, there is very little feel to the helm no matter how
>>>>> the rig is tuned.  The easiest point of reference is to have the rig
>>>>> tuned for neutral helm, especially for a novice helmsman.  So, even
>>>>> though the helmsman isn?t getting any feedback thru the tiller,
>>>>> he/she knows to simply center the tiller, and the boat will go
>>>>> straight.  As the wind strength builds and sail area is not reduced,
>>>>> the hull will begin to heel over, and weather helm will build.  The
>>>>> helmsman is now getting plenty of feedback thru the tiller.  If the
>>>>> weather helm gets to be tiresome; then, the mainsail area can always
>>>>> be reduced to take
>>>> the pressure off the tiller.
>>>>> Even a few degrees of rudder angle off center develops an amazing
>>>>> amount of drag.  This slows the boat down and reduces pointing
>>>>> ability.  Remember, the boat is making leeway even when the tiller
>>>>> is centered, and this leeway is enough for the shoal draft keel,
>>>>> centerboard, and rudder blade to work together to develop the
>>>>> required
>>>> lift for the boat to be able to point.
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilbrium
>>>>> Sent from Mail<
>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=05%7C01%7C%7C695549e35d9a48b1025808da29e2a591%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637868350670515893%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&amp;sdata=jx26EX7dJ9fhBNtqJHEogVL4PqWZpsUvPTbBYbWXEGE%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> for
>>>>> Windows
>>>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2022 7:32 PM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] How to improve Rhodes 22 upwind
>> performance?
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>> A couple of things to check:
>>>>> 1.   Is your centerboard all the way down?
>>>>> 2.  Is your rudder blade all the way down?
>>>>> 3.  In 5-15 knots of wind, you should use the mainsheet and traveler
>>>>> to center the boom.  Make certain the boom is not rising up and
>>>>> there isn?t too much curl on the leech.  Make certain the mainsail
>>>>> foot out haul is tight.  Without battens, there is only so much you
>>>>> can do with mainsail shape; but, this will set you up to do the best
>>>>> that is
>>>> possible.
>>>>> 4.  Use your backstay adjuster to get the sag out of the forestay.
>>>>> It takes quite a lot of tension on the backstays to remove the
>> forestay sag.
>>>>> Don?t be afraid of cranking on the backstay adjuster.  A mast head
>>>>> rig needs the forestay to have little sag in order to properly form
>>>>> an efficient slot with the mainsail.
>>>>> 5.  Refer to my rig tuning procedure in the archives to adjust the
>>>>> tension in the standing rigging.
>>>>> The Rhodes 22 sails best to weather if it is regarded like a big
>>>>> sailing dingy, as upright as possible.  There should be zero to very
>>>>> slight weather helm.  If you have too much weather helm; then reduce
>>>>> the
>>>> mast rake angle.
>>>>> ie Make the mast rake more perpendicular to the deck.
>>>>> My guess is you have too much mast rake, which is giving you a lot
>>>>> of weather helm, and killing your ability to point to weather.
>>>>> Hopefully, these suggestions help.
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> On Mar 18, 2022, at 1:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> ?Hi All,
>>>>>> Now that I've been sailing my Rhodes for about a year, I'm
>>>>>> starting to focus on getting the best performance out of her.
>>>>>> While I mostly sail for fun, I do race every couple of weeks and
>>>>>> want to be more competitive.  In particular, I have found that she
>>>>>> does not go to
>>>>> windward very well for me.
>>>>>> I have a 130 genoa and the IMF mainsail.  Until very recently, I
>>>>>> have been routing the jib sheets outside of the outer shrouds and
>>>>>> handrails. That limits how much I can trim the genoa.
>>>>>> Consequently, I can only tack through about 100-120o.
>>>>>> Recently, I tried running the jib sheets between the outer shrouds
>>>>>> and the inner shrouds.  That definitely improved my pointing
>>>>>> ability significantly at the expense of less than optimal headsail
>>>>>> shape on some off wind points of sail.  However, this
>>>>>> configuration lets me use my jib cars to adapt to wind strength
>>>>>> and whether or not I am partially reefed.  I think this will
>>>>>> retain the ability to use a whisker
>>>>> pole on downwind legs.
>>>>>> I did briefly try both of the inboard jib sheet fairlead/cleat
>>>>>> alternatives but using those would seem to require having a second
>>>>>> set of jib sheets and probably going on the foredeck to switch
>>>>>> between them after rounding a mark (I often race solo).  Also,
>>>>>> those options eliminate the ability to control the sheeting angle
>>>>>> to the clew with the
>>>>> jib cars.
>>>>>> I'd greatly appreciate your thoughts and comments about what you
>>>>>> have learned about how to optimize your boat's performance.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Mike McKay
>>>>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>>>>>> Allatoona Lake
>>>>>> Acworth, GA

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Fri Apr 29 18:43:52 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 18:43:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Sail sticking
Message-ID: <CAM0HAm=VMZ_cGhUvOucKa44QYYXEaUEx3XDtSmbzM74Z9Kfhcg@mail.gmail.com>

What every one has said to this point. Mainsails get old and baggy, which
can affect furling. A New Main is a joy! At least for a few years - then it
is not a New Main...
Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From nickp at phlbxb.com  Fri Apr 29 21:04:40 2022
From: nickp at phlbxb.com (Nick Petryszyn)
Date: Fri, 29 Apr 2022 21:04:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] WTB Rhodes 22 with enclosed head and trailer
Message-ID: <CACfTk3RRBph1jn9KTXS-ro7-mWoMXfHg3X4jTq=scO_22_zpXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey All,
I'm in the Northeast but would be willing to travel. Anyone know of an
enclosed head model for sale? Thanks -NP

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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 12:15:52 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:15:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck failure
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWqFkumyEsObyxDssX+YAit6txO1ONpGD20mRrcAckHOQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, Chris G from Rhodes in the Med. Well I?m not but the Rhodes. Before
the new owner (Grigoris) could return it back to his island of Aegina the
gooseneck failed. He did a great temporary repair with some materials on
board. See pictures.  Anyway he will use the old parts as a template to
make a new set. I cannot recall what the material that Stan uses. Any
timely help would be muchly appreciated.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis
Ps. I will pick up a large ss hose clamp and keep it on my other Rhodes.
Good thing to have on board.
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From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 13:33:14 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 13:33:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmmyENYjVXUc65VkDjHsMLrAHuS8_ggGEatP-3+DMFZhjA@mail.gmail.com>

The always helpful Peter Nyberg has an excellent either video or post about
ordering beefed up gooseneck parts from Dwyer Masts. I installed them last
Fall and what a difference. Here is my order:
DH 3143  - U-Bracket
2 Ordered @     $7.42/ea
Item Total - $14.84

CR1      - Rigging ring, 3/4"
2 Ordered @     $0.50/ea
Item Total - $1.00

CLP-4-0.984      - Clevis Pin
2 Ordered @     $2.72/ea
Item Total - $5.44

DH 334   - Heavy Duty Universal
1 Ordered @     $14.42/ea
Item Total - $14.42
The clevis pins were mislabeled in their catalog and proved to be 1/8"
short.  Dwyer promptly sent the correct length.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 13:41:41 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:41:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck failure
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWqFkumyEsObyxDssX+YAit6txO1ONpGD20mRrcAckHOQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWqFkumyEsObyxDssX+YAit6txO1ONpGD20mRrcAckHOQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D26EE777-9A43-4B45-A474-09E77B8BAB9E@gmail.com>

That?s a super clever solution. I?m curious, what is the material that he used to replace the slider with? 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2022, at 11:16, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hi all, Chris G from Rhodes in the Med. Well I?m not but the Rhodes. Before
> the new owner (Grigoris) could return it back to his island of Aegina the
> gooseneck failed. He did a great temporary repair with some materials on
> board. See pictures.  Anyway he will use the old parts as a template to
> make a new set. I cannot recall what the material that Stan uses. Any
> timely help would be muchly appreciated.
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
> Ps. I will pick up a large ss hose clamp and keep it on my other Rhodes.
> Good thing to have on board.
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 14:04:27 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:04:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmmyENYjVXUc65VkDjHsMLrAHuS8_ggGEatP-3+DMFZhjA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmmyENYjVXUc65VkDjHsMLrAHuS8_ggGEatP-3+DMFZhjA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUN0V6ZOSY_zL9d7+gfv1og+hw7fn1LKUyJEWkXmweRmA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jeff,
He will need those parts too. The plastic face piece maybe 3? by 7? by 5/8
with a slot in it and the doughnut that the tube rotates in
Will need replacing too. When he is done it will be a very robust
gooseneck. Thanks again.
Chris G
On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 1:33 PM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The always helpful Peter Nyberg has an excellent either video or post about
> ordering beefed up gooseneck parts from Dwyer Masts. I installed them last
> Fall and what a difference. Here is my order:
> DH 3143  - U-Bracket
> 2 Ordered @     $7.42/ea
> Item Total - $14.84
>
> CR1      - Rigging ring, 3/4"
> 2 Ordered @     $0.50/ea
> Item Total - $1.00
>
> CLP-4-0.984      - Clevis Pin
> 2 Ordered @     $2.72/ea
> Item Total - $5.44
>
> DH 334   - Heavy Duty Universal
> 1 Ordered @     $14.42/ea
> Item Total - $14.42
> The clevis pins were mislabeled in their catalog and proved to be 1/8"
> short.  Dwyer promptly sent the correct length.
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 14:08:20 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 14:08:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck failure
In-Reply-To: <D26EE777-9A43-4B45-A474-09E77B8BAB9E@gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWqFkumyEsObyxDssX+YAit6txO1ONpGD20mRrcAckHOQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <D26EE777-9A43-4B45-A474-09E77B8BAB9E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiW-R_4tcq-=eqaF_tbF8J7z7MJDEswWbM36vnP2SGFgdw@mail.gmail.com>

Not sure what you mean by slider, Rod. The faceplate in the picture is very
long in the tooth. Probably 15 years old. He will need to make all the
plastic parts associated with the imf furling system. He is a guitar and
bouzouki maker so is very good with his hands and has a lot of tools, and
by patience.

On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 1:41 PM Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:

> That?s a super clever solution. I?m curious, what is the material that he
> used to replace the slider with?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 30, 2022, at 11:16, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hi all, Chris G from Rhodes in the Med. Well I?m not but the Rhodes.
> Before
> > the new owner (Grigoris) could return it back to his island of Aegina the
> > gooseneck failed. He did a great temporary repair with some materials on
> > board. See pictures.  Anyway he will use the old parts as a template to
> > make a new set. I cannot recall what the material that Stan uses. Any
> > timely help would be muchly appreciated.
> > Chris Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> > Ps. I will pick up a large ss hose clamp and keep it on my other Rhodes.
> > Good thing to have on board.
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From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 14:14:08 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 13:14:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck failure
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiW-R_4tcq-=eqaF_tbF8J7z7MJDEswWbM36vnP2SGFgdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiW-R_4tcq-=eqaF_tbF8J7z7MJDEswWbM36vnP2SGFgdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F178031D-A2BF-4C5D-B88B-134C4AE87C49@gmail.com>

Chris, my bad on poor nomenclature. I was referring to the rectangular plastic side that the goose neck connects to. I?m not sure what of it?s   technical name. 



Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2022, at 13:08, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Not sure what you mean by slider, Rod. The faceplate in the picture is very
> long in the tooth. Probably 15 years old. He will need to make all the
> plastic parts associated with the imf furling system. He is a guitar and
> bouzouki maker so is very good with his hands and has a lot of tools, and
> by patience.
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 1:41 PM Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That?s a super clever solution. I?m curious, what is the material that he
>> used to replace the slider with?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2022, at 11:16, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi all, Chris G from Rhodes in the Med. Well I?m not but the Rhodes.
>> Before
>>> the new owner (Grigoris) could return it back to his island of Aegina the
>>> gooseneck failed. He did a great temporary repair with some materials on
>>> board. See pictures.  Anyway he will use the old parts as a template to
>>> make a new set. I cannot recall what the material that Stan uses. Any
>>> timely help would be muchly appreciated.
>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>> Enosis
>>> Ps. I will pick up a large ss hose clamp and keep it on my other Rhodes.
>>> Good thing to have on board.
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Apr 30 15:35:19 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 12:35:19 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure
Message-ID: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>

I'm glad it worked out for you Jeff.

The video is here: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI

I'm not sure how much it will help in this situation, as it appears from the pictures that the point of failure is different.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-04-30, at 13:33:14 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>
> The always helpful Peter Nyberg has an excellent either video or post about 
> ordering beefed up gooseneck parts from Dwyer Masts. I installed them last Fall 
> and what a difference. Here is my order: 
> DH 3143  - U-Bracket
> 2 Ordered @     $7.42/ea
> Item Total - $14.84
> 
> CR1      - Rigging ring, 3/4"
> 2 Ordered @     $0.50/ea
> Item Total - $1.00
> 
> CLP-4-0.984      - Clevis Pin
> 2 Ordered @     $2.72/ea
> Item Total - $5.44
> 
> DH 334   - Heavy Duty Universal
> 1 Ordered @     $14.42/ea
> Item Total - $14.42
> The clevis pins were mislabeled in their catalog and proved to be 1/8" short.  
> Dwyer promptly sent the correct length. 
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.<a href="http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net">http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net</a>
> 732-236-1368
> 


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 18:42:58 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:42:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck failure
In-Reply-To: <F178031D-A2BF-4C5D-B88B-134C4AE87C49@gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiW-R_4tcq-=eqaF_tbF8J7z7MJDEswWbM36vnP2SGFgdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <F178031D-A2BF-4C5D-B88B-134C4AE87C49@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWMs0GUhQbk7hh0SDwZjyeHj+0UroJ+=Oxrs_zALau6Gg@mail.gmail.com>

No special nautical names for Stan?s special doohickies. Yes gooseneck
slider works well

On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 2:14 PM Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, my bad on poor nomenclature. I was referring to the rectangular
> plastic side that the goose neck connects to. I?m not sure what of it?s
>  technical name.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 30, 2022, at 13:08, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Not sure what you mean by slider, Rod. The faceplate in the picture is
> very
> > long in the tooth. Probably 15 years old. He will need to make all the
> > plastic parts associated with the imf furling system. He is a guitar and
> > bouzouki maker so is very good with his hands and has a lot of tools, and
> > by patience.
> >
> >> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 1:41 PM Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> That?s a super clever solution. I?m curious, what is the material that
> he
> >> used to replace the slider with?
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Apr 30, 2022, at 11:16, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Hi all, Chris G from Rhodes in the Med. Well I?m not but the Rhodes.
> >> Before
> >>> the new owner (Grigoris) could return it back to his island of Aegina
> the
> >>> gooseneck failed. He did a great temporary repair with some materials
> on
> >>> board. See pictures.  Anyway he will use the old parts as a template to
> >>> make a new set. I cannot recall what the material that Stan uses. Any
> >>> timely help would be muchly appreciated.
> >>> Chris Geankoplis
> >>> Enosis
> >>> Ps. I will pick up a large ss hose clamp and keep it on my other
> Rhodes.
> >>> Good thing to have on board.
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 30 20:36:06 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 20:36:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck failure
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWMs0GUhQbk7hh0SDwZjyeHj+0UroJ+=Oxrs_zALau6Gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiWMs0GUhQbk7hh0SDwZjyeHj+0UroJ+=Oxrs_zALau6Gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <956EC047-1FE2-4B96-B399-3BB28C45C8C9@gmail.com>

The material is HDPE?High Density Polyethylene.  Starboard is one example.  It can be worked with common woodworking tools. However, best to get the part from General Boats if possible. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 30, 2022, at 6:43 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?No special nautical names for Stan?s special doohickies. Yes gooseneck
> slider works well
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 2:14 PM Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, my bad on poor nomenclature. I was referring to the rectangular
>> plastic side that the goose neck connects to. I?m not sure what of it?s
>> technical name.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2022, at 13:08, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Not sure what you mean by slider, Rod. The faceplate in the picture is
>> very
>>> long in the tooth. Probably 15 years old. He will need to make all the
>>> plastic parts associated with the imf furling system. He is a guitar and
>>> bouzouki maker so is very good with his hands and has a lot of tools, and
>>> by patience.
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Apr 30, 2022 at 1:41 PM Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> That?s a super clever solution. I?m curious, what is the material that
>> he
>>>> used to replace the slider with?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 30, 2022, at 11:16, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> ?Hi all, Chris G from Rhodes in the Med. Well I?m not but the Rhodes.
>>>> Before
>>>>> the new owner (Grigoris) could return it back to his island of Aegina
>> the
>>>>> gooseneck failed. He did a great temporary repair with some materials
>> on
>>>>> board. See pictures.  Anyway he will use the old parts as a template to
>>>>> make a new set. I cannot recall what the material that Stan uses. Any
>>>>> timely help would be muchly appreciated.
>>>>> Chris Geankoplis
>>>>> Enosis
>>>>> Ps. I will pick up a large ss hose clamp and keep it on my other
>> Rhodes.
>>>>> Good thing to have on board.
>>>>> -------------- next part --------------
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From tvpolise at aol.com  Sat Apr 30 21:07:41 2022
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 21:07:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure
In-Reply-To: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nkssB-002ikw-7Z@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <E10F530C-26A6-4C3B-AE61-D8BD278B0AC0@aol.com>

Peter, what bolts did you order to attach u brackets?

> On Apr 30, 2022, at 3:35 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I'm glad it worked out for you Jeff.
> 
> The video is here: https://youtu.be/z_pg6PVEZqI
> 
> I'm not sure how much it will help in this situation, as it appears from the pictures that the point of failure is different.
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2022-04-30, at 13:33:14 EDT, Jeff Smith Photo wrote:
>> 
>> The always helpful Peter Nyberg has an excellent either video or post about 
>> ordering beefed up gooseneck parts from Dwyer Masts. I installed them last Fall 
>> and what a difference. Here is my order: 
>> DH 3143  - U-Bracket
>> 2 Ordered @     $7.42/ea
>> Item Total - $14.84
>> 
>> CR1      - Rigging ring, 3/4"
>> 2 Ordered @     $0.50/ea
>> Item Total - $1.00
>> 
>> CLP-4-0.984      - Clevis Pin
>> 2 Ordered @     $2.72/ea
>> Item Total - $5.44
>> 
>> DH 334   - Heavy Duty Universal
>> 1 Ordered @     $14.42/ea
>> Item Total - $14.42
>> The clevis pins were mislabeled in their catalog and proved to be 1/8" short.  
>> Dwyer promptly sent the correct length. 
>> 
>> Best Regards
>> Jeff Smith
>> www.<a href="http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net">http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net</a>
>> 732-236-1368
>> 
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Sat Apr 30 21:24:50 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2022 18:24:50 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gooseneck Failure
Message-ID: <E1nkyKQ-007cTN-4R@s152.servername.online>

Thomas,

The bolts did not come from Dywer, they came from McMaster-Carr.  I don't have an actual recollection, but the video says that one was 1.5" and the other 2.5".  They were labeled as 'button head'; a rounded head with a hex indentation for an Allen wrench.  This is discussed in the video at about 7:45.

--Peter

> On 2022-04-30, at 21:07:41 EDT, THOMAS POLISE wrote:
>
> Peter, what bolts did you order to attach u brackets?
> 
>