From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Mon Aug 1 20:45:49 2022 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 00:45:49 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast vs. Weight aloft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all sorry it took me a few days to get back to you. First let me say I'm surprised that our boats have a "flat, neutral Helm". As I would like to achieve that. During this sail the other day in the high winds I had a combination of weather Helm and Lee Helm as I tried to point, efficiently and strategically! Taking advantage of a recommendation from this list I reefed the sails early as I rounded one point because the wind was about to get stronger. It's not that I mind luffing the sails in a puff or high gust until I can gain control again, however in a race this cost me time. I do agree with the statement that the head sail is for Speed and the main sail is for trimming and powering up or down as needed. My takeaway from your response is one that I will remember because I never moved the cars on the track forward as much as I could. Before racing my Rhodes in division 2 I raced on the same Lake in division 1 on a j80 as well as a Sonar 23. I feel like I'm guilty of expecting our Rhodes sailboats to perform as well as these in high winds. I appreciate the feedback all, Bob ORION '84 Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sent: July 31, 2022 12:19 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast vs. Weight aloft Bob, So, about how much were you heeling over and how much weather helm did you have? The more the boat heels over, the more weather helm is developed by the hull. This tendency to develop weather helm can be countered by deploying more genoa and less mainsail. The Rhodes 22 will point highest if it can sailed flat with near neutral helm. But, at any angle of heel, the boat will point highest if the sail area is distributed fore/aft to produce near neutral helm. Also, your genoa sheet lead position should have been all the way forward on the track. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 30, 2022, at 11:13 PM, C. Robert Lester wrote: > > ?I'm looking to learn something from all of you if I can advocate for myself and my ORION '84 R22. > It's my opinion that there is a technique I have not mastered yet on sailing an '84 R22 with little ballast in high winds with all the weight aloft from the 155 Genoa + IMF sail with its vertical weight. > Today's 3 hrs trip around Lake Sunapee in 8 to 25 mph wind gusts proved a test of my ability to sail efficiently with reefed headsail and main. > > SETTING: > Main = 4' of sail at the foot > Headsail = 4' - 6' of sail at the foot > > Skipper (solo) at 195lbs for mobile ballast. > > I love the heel of the boat in high winds (hobie cat sailor) but I want for higher speed / higher pointing at those angles. > The boat heels but never reaches a strong flat speed so I can point! > I feel like the answer is more ballast? > > Bob > ORION '84 From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Tue Aug 2 21:20:12 2022 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 01:20:12 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] In-hull transducer? In-Reply-To: <00c201d8a054$a61a7b40$f24f71c0$@mac.com> References: <00c201d8a054$a61a7b40$f24f71c0$@mac.com> Message-ID: ORION was purchased without the transducer, but I can tell you the spot that it was installed at will be where the next one is installed. Under floor board (cut out), FWD-STBD of CB. Dave & Peg did a great job of the location and installation. Bob ORION '84 -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 2:31 PM To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] In-hull transducer? Bob, My are located just starboard of the companionway step in front of the icebox. David Berg Blue Loon Minneapolis, MN -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bob Garrant Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 1:24 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] In-hull transducer? Hi folks, I am installing an in-hull transducer. I?m trying to figure out where to locate it. Thinking about placing it below the cabin floor just offset from the centerboard sleeve. Wondering if anyone in the group has installed an in-hill transducer and how it was done. Thanks very much Bob Garrant Sail la Vie Kent Island, MD From bgarrant at gmail.com Tue Aug 2 21:25:36 2022 From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2022 21:25:36 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] In-hull transducer? In-Reply-To: References: <00c201d8a054$a61a7b40$f24f71c0$@mac.com> Message-ID: Thanks Bob On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 9:20 PM C. Robert Lester < C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote: > ORION was purchased without the transducer, but I can tell you the spot > that it was installed at will be where the next one is installed. > Under floor board (cut out), FWD-STBD of CB. > Dave & Peg did a great job of the location and installation. > Bob > ORION '84 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > DAVID BERG via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 2:31 PM > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] In-hull transducer? > > Bob, > > My are located just starboard of the companionway step in front of the > icebox. > > David Berg > Blue Loon > Minneapolis, MN > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Bob > Garrant > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2022 1:24 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] In-hull transducer? > > Hi folks, > I am installing an in-hull transducer. > I?m trying to figure out where to locate it. Thinking about placing it > below the cabin floor just offset from the centerboard sleeve. > Wondering if anyone in the group has installed an in-hill transducer and > how it was done. > Thanks very much > Bob Garrant > Sail la Vie > Kent Island, MD > > From cknell at vt.edu Wed Aug 3 14:07:16 2022 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 14:07:16 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast vs. Weight aloft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you all for this great discussion. I have to add this input since we have been struggling to get our Rhodes to point higher for a few years now. Yesterday in about 9 to 12 knots of wind we tried Roger's suggestion of unfurling the jib until just before we heeled too much, then unfurled the main until we achieved neutral helm. We sailed flat on a tight beat and we were able to tack 90 degrees for the first time ever (for us). My wife and I are about 300 lbs together and prefer not to sit up on the rails (doing so interferes with our beverage consumption). With the neutral helm I was able to lock the tiller with our new Tiller Clutch and steer the boat by slightly adjusting my weight side-to-side; it was very satisfying and made us both very happy sailors. It felt almost magical. We almost certainly gave up some speed by not unfurling more sail; more weight in the cockpit would allow us to add sail area while maintaining neutral helm and minimal heel angle. Thanks for all the great information. Chris On 8/1/2022 8:45 PM, C. Robert Lester wrote: > Hello all sorry it took me a few days to get back to you. > > First let me say I'm surprised that our boats have a "flat, neutral Helm". As I would like to achieve that. > > During this sail the other day in the high winds I had a combination of weather Helm and Lee Helm as I tried to point, efficiently and strategically! > > Taking advantage of a recommendation from this list I reefed the sails early as I rounded one point because the wind was about to get stronger. > > It's not that I mind luffing the sails in a puff or high gust until I can gain control again, however in a race this cost me time. > > I do agree with the statement that the head sail is for Speed and the main sail is for trimming and powering up or down as needed. > > My takeaway from your response is one that I will remember because I never moved the cars on the track forward as much as I could. > > Before racing my Rhodes in division 2 I raced on the same Lake in division 1 on a j80 as well as a Sonar 23. I feel like I'm guilty of expecting our Rhodes sailboats to perform as well as these in high winds. > > I appreciate the feedback all, > Bob ORION '84 > > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device > From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com > Sent: July 31, 2022 12:19 PM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast vs. Weight aloft > > Bob, > > So, about how much were you heeling over and how much weather helm did you have? > > The more the boat heels over, the more weather helm is developed by the hull. This tendency to develop weather helm can be countered by deploying more genoa and less mainsail. The Rhodes 22 will point highest if it can sailed flat with near neutral helm. But, at any angle of heel, the boat will point highest if the sail area is distributed fore/aft to produce near neutral helm. Also, your genoa sheet lead position should have been all the way forward on the track. > > Roger Pihlaja > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 30, 2022, at 11:13 PM, C. Robert Lester wrote: >> >> ?I'm looking to learn something from all of you if I can advocate for myself and my ORION '84 R22. >> It's my opinion that there is a technique I have not mastered yet on sailing an '84 R22 with little ballast in high winds with all the weight aloft from the 155 Genoa + IMF sail with its vertical weight. >> Today's 3 hrs trip around Lake Sunapee in 8 to 25 mph wind gusts proved a test of my ability to sail efficiently with reefed headsail and main. >> >> SETTING: >> Main = 4' of sail at the foot >> Headsail = 4' - 6' of sail at the foot >> >> Skipper (solo) at 195lbs for mobile ballast. >> >> I love the heel of the boat in high winds (hobie cat sailor) but I want for higher speed / higher pointing at those angles. >> The boat heels but never reaches a strong flat speed so I can point! >> I feel like the answer is more ballast? >> >> Bob >> ORION '84 From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Aug 3 19:03:29 2022 From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2022 23:03:29 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast vs. Weight aloft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, I?m glad my suggestion worked well for you. When you get the rig dialed in properly, it does seem magical! S/V Dynamic Equilibrium will consistently tack thru ~85 deg under similar conditions. But, my boat has a high tech bi-radial composite genoa on Harken roller furler and a very roachy fully battened conventional mainsail. For the standard genoa and IMF mainsail, 90 deg tacking angles are about the best one can expect. That?s pretty good for a trailerable cruising sailboat. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > ?Thank you all for this great discussion. I have to add this input since we have been struggling to get our Rhodes to point higher for a few years now. > > Yesterday in about 9 to 12 knots of wind we tried Roger's suggestion of unfurling the jib until just before we heeled too much, then unfurled the main until we achieved neutral helm. We sailed flat on a tight beat and we were able to tack 90 degrees for the first time ever (for us). My wife and I are about 300 lbs together and prefer not to sit up on the rails (doing so interferes with our beverage consumption). With the neutral helm I was able to lock the tiller with our new Tiller Clutch and steer the boat by slightly adjusting my weight side-to-side; it was very satisfying and made us both very happy sailors. It felt almost magical. > > We almost certainly gave up some speed by not unfurling more sail; more weight in the cockpit would allow us to add sail area while maintaining neutral helm and minimal heel angle. > > Thanks for all the great information. > > Chris > >> On 8/1/2022 8:45 PM, C. Robert Lester wrote: >> Hello all sorry it took me a few days to get back to you. >> >> First let me say I'm surprised that our boats have a "flat, neutral Helm". As I would like to achieve that. >> >> During this sail the other day in the high winds I had a combination of weather Helm and Lee Helm as I tried to point, efficiently and strategically! >> >> Taking advantage of a recommendation from this list I reefed the sails early as I rounded one point because the wind was about to get stronger. >> >> It's not that I mind luffing the sails in a puff or high gust until I can gain control again, however in a race this cost me time. >> >> I do agree with the statement that the head sail is for Speed and the main sail is for trimming and powering up or down as needed. >> >> My takeaway from your response is one that I will remember because I never moved the cars on the track forward as much as I could. >> >> Before racing my Rhodes in division 2 I raced on the same Lake in division 1 on a j80 as well as a Sonar 23. I feel like I'm guilty of expecting our Rhodes sailboats to perform as well as these in high winds. >> >> I appreciate the feedback all, >> Bob ORION '84 >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device >> From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com >> Sent: July 31, 2022 12:19 PM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast vs. Weight aloft >> >> Bob, >> >> So, about how much were you heeling over and how much weather helm did you have? >> >> The more the boat heels over, the more weather helm is developed by the hull. This tendency to develop weather helm can be countered by deploying more genoa and less mainsail. The Rhodes 22 will point highest if it can sailed flat with near neutral helm. But, at any angle of heel, the boat will point highest if the sail area is distributed fore/aft to produce near neutral helm. Also, your genoa sheet lead position should have been all the way forward on the track. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jul 30, 2022, at 11:13 PM, C. Robert Lester wrote: >>> >>> ?I'm looking to learn something from all of you if I can advocate for myself and my ORION '84 R22. >>> It's my opinion that there is a technique I have not mastered yet on sailing an '84 R22 with little ballast in high winds with all the weight aloft from the 155 Genoa + IMF sail with its vertical weight. >>> Today's 3 hrs trip around Lake Sunapee in 8 to 25 mph wind gusts proved a test of my ability to sail efficiently with reefed headsail and main. >>> >>> SETTING: >>> Main = 4' of sail at the foot >>> Headsail = 4' - 6' of sail at the foot >>> >>> Skipper (solo) at 195lbs for mobile ballast. >>> >>> I love the heel of the boat in high winds (hobie cat sailor) but I want for higher speed / higher pointing at those angles. >>> The boat heels but never reaches a strong flat speed so I can point! >>> I feel like the answer is more ballast? >>> >>> Bob >>> ORION '84 > From jpd9668 at gmail.com Fri Aug 5 19:54:27 2022 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 19:54:27 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chsrtplotter location Message-ID: <62edadca.050a0220.ac6b.c2f9@mx.google.com> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Apparently there needs to be something between the aluminum mast and the steel spreader holders.? Could someone explain this to me?? And can I make it myself?? Thanks, everybody..Unfortunately, my photos of the mast repair will not upload, but you can see them on the facebook Rhodes site. From snstaum at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 10:07:14 2022 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 10:07:14 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The mast has been welded... In-Reply-To: <1331178904.910997.1659792927296@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1331178904.910997.1659792927296.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1331178904.910997.1659792927296@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Congratulations on your mast repair! I was thinking about you guys and am glad to hear you are making progress. A plastic washer/spacer goes up against the mast to prevent abrasion and bimetallic corrosion. I think you can find something at a good hardware store. Call me to discuss if you wish. Let me know when you are ready to raise the mast and launch. *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Pinafore* *Needham, MA* On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Finally, the mast came back! There were two holes/rips around the > spreader holders, and a plate was welded over those rips. Apparently there > needs to be something between the aluminum mast and the steel spreader > holders. Could someone explain this to me? And can I make it myself? > Thanks, everybody..Unfortunately, my photos of the mast repair will not > upload, but you can see them on the facebook Rhodes site. > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat Aug 6 12:34:41 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2022 12:34:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The mast has been welded... In-Reply-To: References: <1331178904.910997.1659792927296.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1331178904.910997.1659792927296@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: There is an important piece of hardware between the two spreaders. Inside the mast, there is a thick aluminum ferrule that prevents the long single bolt that joins the two spreaders together, from compressing the mast if it is over-tightened or the vectored forces of the rig compress the walls of the mast at this point. Well I assume that is its function. This is the case for my '83 mast, Though as I write this is it possible I am thinking of my 1976 mast. Damn! I Think I'm getting old. Can someone confirm or debunk this memory? Not sure if this can be retro-fitted at this juncture or how critical it really is, especially with the extra plates welded on. Be sure to use an galvanic isolation compound anywhere SS is in contact with Aluminum. I think you made the right decision to fix the mast the way you did, now you can begin enjoying the joy of sailing a Rhodes. Chris Genakoplis Zenos On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 10:07 AM Stephen Staum wrote: > Congratulations on your mast repair! I was thinking about you guys and am > glad to hear you are making progress. > A plastic washer/spacer goes up against the mast to prevent abrasion and > bimetallic corrosion. I think you can find something at a good hardware > store. Call me to discuss if you wish. Let me know when you are ready to > raise the mast and launch. > > *Thanks and Stay Well,* > > *Stephen Staum* > *s/v Pinafore* > > *Needham, MA* > > > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list < > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > > > Finally, the mast came back! There were two holes/rips around the > > spreader holders, and a plate was welded over those rips. Apparently > there > > needs to be something between the aluminum mast and the steel spreader > > holders. Could someone explain this to me? And can I make it myself? > > Thanks, everybody..Unfortunately, my photos of the mast repair will not > > upload, but you can see them on the facebook Rhodes site. > > > > > From tvpolise at aol.com Sun Aug 7 10:57:01 2022 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2022 10:57:01 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chsrtplotter location In-Reply-To: <62edadca.050a0220.ac6b.c2f9@mx.google.com> References: <62edadca.050a0220.ac6b.c2f9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I see you have stations and life lines around boat. Did you install? > On Aug 5, 2022, at 7:54 PM, jpd9668 wrote: > > ?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: IMG_20201110_1454015.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 2212536 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From jpd9668 at gmail.com Sun Aug 7 20:51:45 2022 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2022 20:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chsrtplotter location In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <62f05e22.c80a0220.fc073.f660@mx.google.com> Yes? purchased Suncor components from Defender. Backed with 1/4" 316ss plate and 3/4" water repellant treated pine blocking. The most difficult part was cutting the 3/16" ss rope. NOY a problem if you have a cutter. I didn't, but the guy at the boatyard let me use his!Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: THOMAS POLISE Date: 8/7/22 10:57 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List , jpd9668 at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Chsrtplotter location I see you have stations and life lines around boat.? Did you install?> On Aug 5, 2022, at 7:54 PM, jpd9668 wrote:> > ?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: IMG_20201110_1454015.jpg> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 2212536 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: From cknell at vt.edu Mon Aug 8 14:04:20 2022 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 14:04:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The mast has been welded... In-Reply-To: References: <1331178904.910997.1659792927296.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1331178904.910997.1659792927296@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <922705dd-af8a-e019-1e39-bb905029d092@vt.edu> When I bought my Rhodes, there were no spreader shims in place on the mast. I think they had deteriorated because the spreader bolt was loose which allowed a lot of motion of the spreaders that wore through the original shims. As a temporary measure, before I was able to obtain the proper shims from Stan, I used a part that I found at a local hardware store called a "toilet shim". I have attached a photo. This worked for a season until I installed the factory parts. Chris On 8/6/2022 12:34 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > There is an important piece of hardware between the two spreaders. Inside > the mast, there is a thick aluminum ferrule that prevents the long single > bolt that joins the two spreaders together, from compressing the mast if it > is over-tightened or the vectored forces of the rig compress the walls of > the mast at this point. Well I assume that is its function. This is the > case for my '83 mast, Though as I write this is it possible I am thinking > of my 1976 mast. Damn! I Think I'm getting old. Can someone confirm or > debunk this memory? Not sure if this can be retro-fitted at this juncture > or how critical it really is, especially with the extra plates welded on. > Be sure to use an galvanic isolation compound anywhere SS is in contact > with Aluminum. I think you made the right decision to fix the mast the way > you did, now you can begin enjoying the joy of sailing a Rhodes. > > Chris Genakoplis > Zenos > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 10:07 AM Stephen Staum wrote: > >> Congratulations on your mast repair! I was thinking about you guys and am >> glad to hear you are making progress. >> A plastic washer/spacer goes up against the mast to prevent abrasion and >> bimetallic corrosion. I think you can find something at a good hardware >> store. Call me to discuss if you wish. Let me know when you are ready to >> raise the mast and launch. >> >> *Thanks and Stay Well,* >> >> *Stephen Staum* >> *s/v Pinafore* >> >> *Needham, MA* >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >>> Finally, the mast came back! There were two holes/rips around the >>> spreader holders, and a plate was welded over those rips. Apparently >> there >>> needs to be something between the aluminum mast and the steel spreader >>> holders. Could someone explain this to me? And can I make it myself? >>> Thanks, everybody..Unfortunately, my photos of the mast repair will not >>> upload, but you can see them on the facebook Rhodes site. >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Spreader Shim.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 89478 bytes Desc: not available URL: From tvpolise at aol.com Mon Aug 8 14:59:09 2022 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 14:59:09 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] spreader shims In-Reply-To: <922705dd-af8a-e019-1e39-bb905029d092@vt.edu> References: <922705dd-af8a-e019-1e39-bb905029d092@vt.edu> Message-ID: <72B1E8CE-94DB-48B7-BE1C-633200E8CF67@aol.com> When I got my boat they didn?t have spreader shims. Any idea on where to get them and exactly what they are? > On Aug 8, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > ?When I bought my Rhodes, there were no spreader shims in place on the mast. I think they had deteriorated because the spreader bolt was loose which allowed a lot of motion of the spreaders that wore through the original shims. As a temporary measure, before I was able to obtain the proper shims from Stan, I used a part that I found at a local hardware store called a "toilet shim". I have attached a photo. This worked for a season until I installed the factory parts. > Chris > > >> On 8/6/2022 12:34 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: >> There is an important piece of hardware between the two spreaders. Inside >> the mast, there is a thick aluminum ferrule that prevents the long single >> bolt that joins the two spreaders together, from compressing the mast if it >> is over-tightened or the vectored forces of the rig compress the walls of >> the mast at this point. Well I assume that is its function. This is the >> case for my '83 mast, Though as I write this is it possible I am thinking >> of my 1976 mast. Damn! I Think I'm getting old. Can someone confirm or >> debunk this memory? Not sure if this can be retro-fitted at this juncture >> or how critical it really is, especially with the extra plates welded on. >> Be sure to use an galvanic isolation compound anywhere SS is in contact >> with Aluminum. I think you made the right decision to fix the mast the way >> you did, now you can begin enjoying the joy of sailing a Rhodes. >> >> Chris Genakoplis >> Zenos >> >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 10:07 AM Stephen Staum wrote: >>> >>> Congratulations on your mast repair! I was thinking about you guys and am >>> glad to hear you are making progress. >>> A plastic washer/spacer goes up against the mast to prevent abrasion and >>> bimetallic corrosion. I think you can find something at a good hardware >>> store. Call me to discuss if you wish. Let me know when you are ready to >>> raise the mast and launch. >>> >>> *Thanks and Stay Well,* >>> >>> *Stephen Staum* >>> *s/v Pinafore* >>> >>> *Needham, MA* >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Finally, the mast came back! There were two holes/rips around the >>>> spreader holders, and a plate was welded over those rips. Apparently >>> there >>>> needs to be something between the aluminum mast and the steel spreader >>>> holders. Could someone explain this to me? And can I make it myself? >>>> Thanks, everybody..Unfortunately, my photos of the mast repair will not >>>> upload, but you can see them on the facebook Rhodes site. >>>> >>>> > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: Spreader Shim.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 89478 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: From urchinn at aol.com Mon Aug 8 15:07:33 2022 From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 19:07:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The mast has been welded... In-Reply-To: <922705dd-af8a-e019-1e39-bb905029d092@vt.edu> References: <1331178904.910997.1659792927296.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1331178904.910997.1659792927296@mail.yahoo.com> <922705dd-af8a-e019-1e39-bb905029d092@vt.edu> Message-ID: <855666702.1330470.1659985653598@mail.yahoo.com> A toilet shim!? That looks perfect...Thank you -----Original Message----- From: Chris on LBI To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2022 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] The mast has been welded... When I bought my Rhodes, there were no spreader shims in place on the mast. I think they had deteriorated because the spreader bolt was loose which allowed a lot of motion of the spreaders that wore through the original shims. As a temporary measure, before I was able to obtain the proper shims from Stan, I used a part that I found at a local hardware store called a "toilet shim". I have attached a photo. This worked for a season until I installed the factory parts. Chris On 8/6/2022 12:34 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > There is an important piece of hardware between the two spreaders.? Inside > the mast, there is a thick aluminum ferrule that prevents the long single > bolt that joins the two spreaders together, from compressing the mast if it > is over-tightened or the vectored forces of the rig compress the walls of > the mast at this point.? Well I assume that is its function.? This is the > case for my '83 mast,? Though as I write this is it possible I am thinking > of my 1976 mast.? Damn!? I Think I'm getting old.? Can someone confirm or > debunk this memory? Not sure if this can be retro-fitted at this juncture > or how critical it really is, especially with the extra plates welded on. > Be sure to use an galvanic isolation compound anywhere SS is in contact > with Aluminum.? I think you made the right decision to fix the mast the way > you did, now you can begin enjoying the joy of sailing a Rhodes. > > Chris Genakoplis > Zenos > > On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 10:07 AM Stephen Staum wrote: > >> Congratulations on your mast repair!? I was thinking about you guys and am >> glad to hear you are making progress. >> A plastic washer/spacer goes up against the mast to prevent abrasion and >> bimetallic corrosion.? I think you can find something at a good hardware >> store.? Call me to discuss if you wish.? Let me know when you are ready to >> raise the mast and launch. >> >> *Thanks and Stay Well,* >> >> *Stephen Staum* >> *s/v Pinafore* >> >> *Needham, MA* >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >>> Finally, the mast came back!? There were two holes/rips around the >>> spreader holders, and a plate was welded over those rips.? Apparently >> there >>> needs to be something between the aluminum mast and the steel spreader >>> holders.? Could someone explain this to me?? And can I make it myself? >>> Thanks, everybody..Unfortunately, my photos of the mast repair will not >>> upload, but you can see them on the facebook Rhodes site. >>> >>> -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Spreader Shim.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 89478 bytes Desc: not available URL: From cknell at vt.edu Mon Aug 8 17:40:56 2022 From: cknell at vt.edu (Chris on LBI) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 17:40:56 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] spreader shims In-Reply-To: <72B1E8CE-94DB-48B7-BE1C-633200E8CF67@aol.com> References: <922705dd-af8a-e019-1e39-bb905029d092@vt.edu> <72B1E8CE-94DB-48B7-BE1C-633200E8CF67@aol.com> Message-ID: I received my factory parts from Charles Gabriel who I believe is able to supply these parts to those who have purchased the Certificate of Support from General Boats. Attached are two photos showing the factory shims in place. On a thread from 2019, someone stated that one of the purposes of the shims is to cause the spreaders to have a slight angle up ... above horizontal, this in addition to isolating the stainless spreader bracket from the aluminum mast. On 8/8/2022 2:59 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote: > When I got my boat they didn?t have spreader shims. Any idea on where to get them and exactly what they are? > >> On Aug 8, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: >> >> ?When I bought my Rhodes, there were no spreader shims in place on the mast. I think they had deteriorated because the spreader bolt was loose which allowed a lot of motion of the spreaders that wore through the original shims. As a temporary measure, before I was able to obtain the proper shims from Stan, I used a part that I found at a local hardware store called a "toilet shim". I have attached a photo. This worked for a season until I installed the factory parts. >> Chris >> >> >>> On 8/6/2022 12:34 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: >>> There is an important piece of hardware between the two spreaders. Inside >>> the mast, there is a thick aluminum ferrule that prevents the long single >>> bolt that joins the two spreaders together, from compressing the mast if it >>> is over-tightened or the vectored forces of the rig compress the walls of >>> the mast at this point. Well I assume that is its function. This is the >>> case for my '83 mast, Though as I write this is it possible I am thinking >>> of my 1976 mast. Damn! I Think I'm getting old. Can someone confirm or >>> debunk this memory? Not sure if this can be retro-fitted at this juncture >>> or how critical it really is, especially with the extra plates welded on. >>> Be sure to use an galvanic isolation compound anywhere SS is in contact >>> with Aluminum. I think you made the right decision to fix the mast the way >>> you did, now you can begin enjoying the joy of sailing a Rhodes. >>> >>> Chris Genakoplis >>> Zenos >>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 10:07 AM Stephen Staum wrote: >>>> >>>> Congratulations on your mast repair! I was thinking about you guys and am >>>> glad to hear you are making progress. >>>> A plastic washer/spacer goes up against the mast to prevent abrasion and >>>> bimetallic corrosion. I think you can find something at a good hardware >>>> store. Call me to discuss if you wish. Let me know when you are ready to >>>> raise the mast and launch. >>>> >>>> *Thanks and Stay Well,* >>>> >>>> *Stephen Staum* >>>> *s/v Pinafore* >>>> >>>> *Needham, MA* >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list < >>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Finally, the mast came back! There were two holes/rips around the >>>>> spreader holders, and a plate was welded over those rips. Apparently >>>> there >>>>> needs to be something between the aluminum mast and the steel spreader >>>>> holders. Could someone explain this to me? And can I make it myself? >>>>> Thanks, everybody..Unfortunately, my photos of the mast repair will not >>>>> upload, but you can see them on the facebook Rhodes site. >>>>> >>>>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: Spreader Shim.jpg >> Type: image/jpeg >> Size: 89478 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Spreader Shim 1.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 96100 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Spreader Shim 2.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 63706 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 8 23:35:32 2022 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay) Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 23:35:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? Message-ID: <5319B10F-E608-43C0-AC93-E7CC866BEFE2@gmail.com> Hi, I?m planning on going to the Annapolis Boat Show in October, and am wondering if any of you folks are also planning on being there? It would be great to meet you. Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Tue Aug 9 08:13:04 2022 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 12:13:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? In-Reply-To: <5319B10F-E608-43C0-AC93-E7CC866BEFE2@gmail.com> References: <5319B10F-E608-43C0-AC93-E7CC866BEFE2@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1824695057.1507311.1660047184828@mail.yahoo.com> Mark and Connie West plan on going. Hope?to see all the Rhodes 22 owners there. -----Original Message----- From: Michael McKay To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2022 11:35 pm Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? Hi, I?m planning on going to the Annapolis Boat Show in October, and am wondering if any of you folks are also planning on being there?? It would be great to meet you. Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone From bgarrant at gmail.com Tue Aug 9 08:23:10 2022 From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 08:23:10 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? In-Reply-To: <1824695057.1507311.1660047184828@mail.yahoo.com> References: <5319B10F-E608-43C0-AC93-E7CC866BEFE2@gmail.com> <1824695057.1507311.1660047184828@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Bob Garrant is planning to go. I live on Kent Island across the Bay Bridge from Annapolis. Bob Garrant 410-353-1535 Sail la Vie 2000/2017 On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 8:13 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Mark and Connie West plan on going. Hope to see all the Rhodes 22 owners > there. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael McKay > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2022 11:35 pm > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? > > Hi, I?m planning on going to the Annapolis Boat Show in October, and am > wondering if any of you folks are also planning on being there? It would > be great to meet you. > > Michael McKay > (630) 209-2054 (m) > > Sent from my iPhone > From gramille at tds.net Tue Aug 9 12:34:51 2022 From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 12:34:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49696DB9-D63F-4007-9679-68A0A29C480D@tds.net> The big question is - will Stan be there? Graham Parker Sv 00Sailin Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Bob Garrant wrote: > > ?Bob Garrant is planning to go. I live on Kent Island across the Bay Bridge > from Annapolis. > Bob Garrant > 410-353-1535 > Sail la Vie 2000/2017 > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 8:13 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >> Mark and Connie West plan on going. Hope to see all the Rhodes 22 owners >> there. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael McKay >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2022 11:35 pm >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? >> >> Hi, I?m planning on going to the Annapolis Boat Show in October, and am >> wondering if any of you folks are also planning on being there? It would >> be great to meet you. >> >> Michael McKay >> (630) 209-2054 (m) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> From jamcando126 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 9 12:55:21 2022 From: jamcando126 at yahoo.com (John McLaughlin) Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 16:55:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? In-Reply-To: <49696DB9-D63F-4007-9679-68A0A29C480D@tds.net> References: <49696DB9-D63F-4007-9679-68A0A29C480D@tds.net> Message-ID: <1373618874.1587450.1660064121812@mail.yahoo.com> I sent Stan a email yesterday asking that question and haven?t gotten a response as of today. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 12:34 PM, Graham Parker wrote: The big question is - will Stan be there? Graham Parker Sv 00Sailin Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Bob Garrant wrote: > > ?Bob Garrant is planning to go. I live on Kent Island across the Bay Bridge > from Annapolis. > Bob Garrant > 410-353-1535 > Sail la Vie 2000/2017 > >> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 8:13 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list < >> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >> >> Mark and Connie West plan on going. Hope to see all the Rhodes 22 owners >> there. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Michael McKay >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2022 11:35 pm >> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? >> >> Hi, I?m planning on going to the Annapolis Boat Show in October, and am >> wondering if any of you folks are also planning on being there?? It would >> be great to meet you. >> >> Michael McKay >> (630) 209-2054 (m) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Tue Aug 9 22:17:21 2022 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 02:17:21 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? In-Reply-To: <5319B10F-E608-43C0-AC93-E7CC866BEFE2@gmail.com> References: <5319B10F-E608-43C0-AC93-E7CC866BEFE2@gmail.com> Message-ID: I intend/hope to go. Bob & Karen ORION -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Michael McKay Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 11:36 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? Hi, I?m planning on going to the Annapolis Boat Show in October, and am wondering if any of you folks are also planning on being there? It would be great to meet you. Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Tue Aug 9 22:19:55 2022 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 02:19:55 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] spreader shims In-Reply-To: <72B1E8CE-94DB-48B7-BE1C-633200E8CF67@aol.com> References: <922705dd-af8a-e019-1e39-bb905029d092@vt.edu> <72B1E8CE-94DB-48B7-BE1C-633200E8CF67@aol.com> Message-ID: ...I took the advice of the list and ended up going to "Running's" and picked up some bushing's. Key is keeping a "buffer" between aluminum mast and SS spreader sets. Bob ORION ''84 -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 2:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] spreader shims When I got my boat they didn?t have spreader shims. Any idea on where to get them and exactly what they are? > On Aug 8, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > ?When I bought my Rhodes, there were no spreader shims in place on the mast. I think they had deteriorated because the spreader bolt was loose which allowed a lot of motion of the spreaders that wore through the original shims. As a temporary measure, before I was able to obtain the proper shims from Stan, I used a part that I found at a local hardware store called a "toilet shim". I have attached a photo. This worked for a season until I installed the factory parts. > Chris > > >> On 8/6/2022 12:34 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: >> There is an important piece of hardware between the two spreaders. >> Inside the mast, there is a thick aluminum ferrule that prevents the >> long single bolt that joins the two spreaders together, from >> compressing the mast if it is over-tightened or the vectored forces >> of the rig compress the walls of the mast at this point. Well I >> assume that is its function. This is the case for my '83 mast, >> Though as I write this is it possible I am thinking of my 1976 mast. >> Damn! I Think I'm getting old. Can someone confirm or debunk this >> memory? Not sure if this can be retro-fitted at this juncture or how critical it really is, especially with the extra plates welded on. >> Be sure to use an galvanic isolation compound anywhere SS is in >> contact with Aluminum. I think you made the right decision to fix >> the mast the way you did, now you can begin enjoying the joy of sailing a Rhodes. >> >> Chris Genakoplis >> Zenos >> >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 10:07 AM Stephen Staum wrote: >>> >>> Congratulations on your mast repair! I was thinking about you guys >>> and am glad to hear you are making progress. >>> A plastic washer/spacer goes up against the mast to prevent abrasion >>> and bimetallic corrosion. I think you can find something at a good >>> hardware store. Call me to discuss if you wish. Let me know when >>> you are ready to raise the mast and launch. >>> >>> *Thanks and Stay Well,* >>> >>> *Stephen Staum* >>> *s/v Pinafore* >>> >>> *Needham, MA* >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Finally, the mast came back! There were two holes/rips around the >>>> spreader holders, and a plate was welded over those rips. >>>> Apparently >>> there >>>> needs to be something between the aluminum mast and the steel >>>> spreader holders. Could someone explain this to me? And can I make it myself? >>>> Thanks, everybody..Unfortunately, my photos of the mast repair will >>>> not upload, but you can see them on the facebook Rhodes site. >>>> >>>> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: Spreader Shim.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 89478 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > es22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220808%2Fe9d61a > 1a%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu > %7C4a1f5acef7134cad8ed908da79701616%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f > %7C0%7C0%7C637955819564282677%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw > MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C& > ;sdata=aSLUZdXS0PFsSM0xa%2Fuhkvnwdfk7h8CZSxxoSIMG5Ho%3D&reserved=0 > > From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Tue Aug 9 22:21:35 2022 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 02:21:35 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast vs. Weight aloft In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Roger. Bob -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2022 7:03 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast vs. Weight aloft Chris, I?m glad my suggestion worked well for you. When you get the rig dialed in properly, it does seem magical! S/V Dynamic Equilibrium will consistently tack thru ~85 deg under similar conditions. But, my boat has a high tech bi-radial composite genoa on Harken roller furler and a very roachy fully battened conventional mainsail. For the standard genoa and IMF mainsail, 90 deg tacking angles are about the best one can expect. That?s pretty good for a trailerable cruising sailboat. Roger Pihlaja S/V Dynamic Equilibrium Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > ?Thank you all for this great discussion. I have to add this input since we have been struggling to get our Rhodes to point higher for a few years now. > > Yesterday in about 9 to 12 knots of wind we tried Roger's suggestion of unfurling the jib until just before we heeled too much, then unfurled the main until we achieved neutral helm. We sailed flat on a tight beat and we were able to tack 90 degrees for the first time ever (for us). My wife and I are about 300 lbs together and prefer not to sit up on the rails (doing so interferes with our beverage consumption). With the neutral helm I was able to lock the tiller with our new Tiller Clutch and steer the boat by slightly adjusting my weight side-to-side; it was very satisfying and made us both very happy sailors. It felt almost magical. > > We almost certainly gave up some speed by not unfurling more sail; more weight in the cockpit would allow us to add sail area while maintaining neutral helm and minimal heel angle. > > Thanks for all the great information. > > Chris > >> On 8/1/2022 8:45 PM, C. Robert Lester wrote: >> Hello all sorry it took me a few days to get back to you. >> >> First let me say I'm surprised that our boats have a "flat, neutral Helm". As I would like to achieve that. >> >> During this sail the other day in the high winds I had a combination of weather Helm and Lee Helm as I tried to point, efficiently and strategically! >> >> Taking advantage of a recommendation from this list I reefed the sails early as I rounded one point because the wind was about to get stronger. >> >> It's not that I mind luffing the sails in a puff or high gust until I can gain control again, however in a race this cost me time. >> >> I do agree with the statement that the head sail is for Speed and the main sail is for trimming and powering up or down as needed. >> >> My takeaway from your response is one that I will remember because I never moved the cars on the track forward as much as I could. >> >> Before racing my Rhodes in division 2 I raced on the same Lake in division 1 on a j80 as well as a Sonar 23. I feel like I'm guilty of expecting our Rhodes sailboats to perform as well as these in high winds. >> >> I appreciate the feedback all, >> Bob ORION '84 >> >> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device >> From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com >> Sent: July 31, 2022 12:19 PM >> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Ballast vs. Weight aloft >> >> Bob, >> >> So, about how much were you heeling over and how much weather helm did you have? >> >> The more the boat heels over, the more weather helm is developed by the hull. This tendency to develop weather helm can be countered by deploying more genoa and less mainsail. The Rhodes 22 will point highest if it can sailed flat with near neutral helm. But, at any angle of heel, the boat will point highest if the sail area is distributed fore/aft to produce near neutral helm. Also, your genoa sheet lead position should have been all the way forward on the track. >> >> Roger Pihlaja >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> On Jul 30, 2022, at 11:13 PM, C. Robert Lester wrote: >>> >>> ?I'm looking to learn something from all of you if I can advocate for myself and my ORION '84 R22. >>> It's my opinion that there is a technique I have not mastered yet on sailing an '84 R22 with little ballast in high winds with all the weight aloft from the 155 Genoa + IMF sail with its vertical weight. >>> Today's 3 hrs trip around Lake Sunapee in 8 to 25 mph wind gusts proved a test of my ability to sail efficiently with reefed headsail and main. >>> >>> SETTING: >>> Main = 4' of sail at the foot >>> Headsail = 4' - 6' of sail at the foot >>> >>> Skipper (solo) at 195lbs for mobile ballast. >>> >>> I love the heel of the boat in high winds (hobie cat sailor) but I want for higher speed / higher pointing at those angles. >>> The boat heels but never reaches a strong flat speed so I can point! >>> I feel like the answer is more ballast? >>> >>> Bob >>> ORION '84 > From urchinn at aol.com Wed Aug 10 06:09:19 2022 From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 10:09:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] spreader shims In-Reply-To: References: <922705dd-af8a-e019-1e39-bb905029d092@vt.edu> <72B1E8CE-94DB-48B7-BE1C-633200E8CF67@aol.com> Message-ID: <1395300245.1778310.1660126159760@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks, Robert! -----Original Message----- From: C. Robert Lester To: THOMAS POLISE ; The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Tue, Aug 9, 2022 10:19 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] spreader shims ...I took the advice of the list and ended up going to "Running's" and picked up some bushing's. Key is keeping a "buffer" between aluminum mast and SS spreader sets. Bob ORION ''84 -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 2:59 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] spreader shims When I got my boat they didn?t have spreader shims.? Any idea on where to get them and exactly what they are? > On Aug 8, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > ?When I bought my Rhodes, there were no spreader shims in place on the mast. I think they had deteriorated because the spreader bolt was loose which allowed a lot of motion of the spreaders that wore through the original shims. As a temporary measure, before I was able to obtain the proper shims from Stan, I used a part that I found at a local hardware store called a "toilet shim". I have attached a photo. This worked for a season until I installed the factory parts. > Chris > > >> On 8/6/2022 12:34 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: >> There is an important piece of hardware between the two spreaders.? >> Inside the mast, there is a thick aluminum ferrule that prevents the >> long single bolt that joins the two spreaders together, from >> compressing the mast if it is over-tightened or the vectored forces >> of the rig compress the walls of the mast at this point.? Well I >> assume that is its function.? This is the case for my '83 mast,? >> Though as I write this is it possible I am thinking of my 1976 mast.? >> Damn!? I Think I'm getting old.? Can someone confirm or debunk this >> memory? Not sure if this can be retro-fitted at this juncture or how critical it really is, especially with the extra plates welded on. >> Be sure to use an galvanic isolation compound anywhere SS is in >> contact with Aluminum.? I think you made the right decision to fix >> the mast the way you did, now you can begin enjoying the joy of sailing a Rhodes. >> >> Chris Genakoplis >> Zenos >> >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 10:07 AM Stephen Staum wrote: >>> >>> Congratulations on your mast repair!? I was thinking about you guys >>> and am glad to hear you are making progress. >>> A plastic washer/spacer goes up against the mast to prevent abrasion >>> and bimetallic corrosion.? I think you can find something at a good >>> hardware store.? Call me to discuss if you wish.? Let me know when >>> you are ready to raise the mast and launch. >>> >>> *Thanks and Stay Well,* >>> >>> *Stephen Staum* >>> *s/v Pinafore* >>> >>> *Needham, MA* >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Finally, the mast came back!? There were two holes/rips around the >>>> spreader holders, and a plate was welded over those rips.? >>>> Apparently >>> there >>>> needs to be something between the aluminum mast and the steel >>>> spreader holders.? Could someone explain this to me?? And can I make it myself? >>>> Thanks, everybody..Unfortunately, my photos of the mast repair will >>>> not upload, but you can see them on the facebook Rhodes site. >>>> >>>> > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > scrubbed... > Name: Spreader Shim.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 89478 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: > es22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220808%2Fe9d61a > 1a%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu > %7C4a1f5acef7134cad8ed908da79701616%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f > %7C0%7C0%7C637955819564282677%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw > MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C& > ;sdata=aSLUZdXS0PFsSM0xa%2Fuhkvnwdfk7h8CZSxxoSIMG5Ho%3D&reserved=0 > > From rnelson204 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 17:44:33 2022 From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (R Brown) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sticking Message-ID: <1916A335-8328-4DF3-A718-9F5EEFB3343F@me.com> Hello all, hope everyone is having a great summer of sailing. I?ve been having an issue with the IMF the last few outings. The system seems to ?bind up? when Im trying to furl the main when under way. Doesn?t matter if I?m bow into the wind, I end up having to grab the sail at the outhaul car and pul it forward a couple of feet and then pull the reefing line to ?catch up?. The odd thing is that when I?m in the slip, it functions normally, in and out as smooth as you please. (I do routinely clean the boom slot and lubricate with McLube). Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated . Thanks Rodney From bobfcohen at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:13:20 2022 From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Robert Cohen) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:13:20 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sticking In-Reply-To: <1916A335-8328-4DF3-A718-9F5EEFB3343F@me.com> References: <1916A335-8328-4DF3-A718-9F5EEFB3343F@me.com> Message-ID: <67ABB53A-E96D-4A2B-A529-A35A419B2587@gmail.com> Rodney- As a relatively new Rhodes owner, I have also had trouble furling the main. One thing I learned is to always have the boat on a port tack when furling. I also changed out the furling line, which helped a lot. Bob Cohen ?Silver Bay? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2022, at 5:44 PM, R Brown wrote: > > ?Hello all, hope everyone is having a great summer of sailing. I?ve been having an issue with the IMF the last few outings. The system seems to ?bind up? when Im trying to furl the main when under way. Doesn?t matter if I?m bow into the wind, I end up having to grab the sail at the outhaul car and pul it forward a couple of feet and then pull the reefing line to ?catch up?. The odd thing is that when I?m in the slip, it functions normally, in and out as smooth as you please. (I do routinely clean the boom slot and lubricate with McLube). Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated . > > Thanks > > Rodney From cjlowe at sssnet.com Wed Aug 10 18:09:09 2022 From: cjlowe at sssnet.com (cjlowe at sssnet.com) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sticking In-Reply-To: <1916A335-8328-4DF3-A718-9F5EEFB3343F@me.com> References: <1916A335-8328-4DF3-A718-9F5EEFB3343F@me.com> Message-ID: <50603.24.140.30.102.1660169349.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> How old is your sail? When they start to geld baggy in the middle, they start to get hard furling. Are you on a port tack, with the boom slightly below parallel? Jerry Lowe Hello all, hope everyone is having a great summer of sailing. I???ve been > having an issue with the IMF the last few outings. The system seems to > ???bind up??? when Im trying to furl the main when under way. Doesn???t > matter if I???m bow into the wind, I end up having to grab the sail at the > outhaul car and pul it forward a couple of feet and then pull the reefing > line to ???catch up???. The odd thing is that when I???m in the slip, it > functions normally, in and out as smooth as you please. (I do routinely > clean the boom slot and lubricate with McLube). Any thoughts or > suggestions are greatly appreciated . > > Thanks > > Rodney From rnelson204 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:20:51 2022 From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:20:51 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sticking In-Reply-To: <67ABB53A-E96D-4A2B-A529-A35A419B2587@gmail.com> References: <1916A335-8328-4DF3-A718-9F5EEFB3343F@me.com> <67ABB53A-E96D-4A2B-A529-A35A419B2587@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7772DC0E-4750-485F-8183-6B8079E81781@gmail.com> I?ll give he Port tack a try, thx for the tip. > On Aug 10, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Robert Cohen wrote: > > Rodney- > As a relatively new Rhodes owner, I have also had trouble furling the main. One thing I learned is to always have the boat on a port tack when furling. I also changed out the furling line, which helped a lot. > Bob Cohen > ?Silver Bay? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 10, 2022, at 5:44 PM, R Brown wrote: >> >> ?Hello all, hope everyone is having a great summer of sailing. I?ve been having an issue with the IMF the last few outings. The system seems to ?bind up? when Im trying to furl the main when under way. Doesn?t matter if I?m bow into the wind, I end up having to grab the sail at the outhaul car and pul it forward a couple of feet and then pull the reefing line to ?catch up?. The odd thing is that when I?m in the slip, it functions normally, in and out as smooth as you please. (I do routinely clean the boom slot and lubricate with McLube). Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated . >> >> Thanks >> >> Rodney From rnelson204 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 18:23:05 2022 From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 17:23:05 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sticking In-Reply-To: <50603.24.140.30.102.1660169349.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> References: <1916A335-8328-4DF3-A718-9F5EEFB3343F@me.com> <50603.24.140.30.102.1660169349.squirrel@quickpop.sssnet.com> Message-ID: Jerry, I suspect it?s the original to the boat, 2021. Might be time for a new set of sails. Which brings me to another question: can the old sails be ?rehabbed? ? We have a great sail loft in Tulsa, OK. > On Aug 10, 2022, at 5:09 PM, cjlowe at sssnet.com wrote: > > How old is your sail? When they start to geld baggy in the middle, they > start to get hard furling. Are you on a port tack, with the boom slightly > below parallel? > > Jerry Lowe > > > > > Hello all, hope everyone is having a great summer of sailing. I???ve been >> having an issue with the IMF the last few outings. The system seems to >> ???bind up??? when Im trying to furl the main when under way. Doesn???t >> matter if I???m bow into the wind, I end up having to grab the sail at the >> outhaul car and pul it forward a couple of feet and then pull the reefing >> line to ???catch up???. The odd thing is that when I???m in the slip, it >> functions normally, in and out as smooth as you please. (I do routinely >> clean the boom slot and lubricate with McLube). Any thoughts or >> suggestions are greatly appreciated . >> >> Thanks >> >> Rodney > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 19:35:12 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:35:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] spreader shims In-Reply-To: References: <922705dd-af8a-e019-1e39-bb905029d092@vt.edu> <72B1E8CE-94DB-48B7-BE1C-633200E8CF67@aol.com> Message-ID: One thought will the additional thickness increase tha ?spread? of the spreaders. I?m sure Roger could calculate the delta in force vectored but it is way beyond my capabilities. What do you think Toger? Chris G Enosis On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:19 PM C. Robert Lester < C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote: > ...I took the advice of the list and ended up going to "Running's" and > picked up some bushing's. > Key is keeping a "buffer" between aluminum mast and SS spreader sets. > Bob > ORION ''84 > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of > THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list > Sent: Monday, August 8, 2022 2:59 PM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] spreader shims > > When I got my boat they didn?t have spreader shims. Any idea on where to > get them and exactly what they are? > > > On Aug 8, 2022, at 2:04 PM, Chris on LBI wrote: > > > > ?When I bought my Rhodes, there were no spreader shims in place on the > mast. I think they had deteriorated because the spreader bolt was loose > which allowed a lot of motion of the spreaders that wore through the > original shims. As a temporary measure, before I was able to obtain the > proper shims from Stan, I used a part that I found at a local hardware > store called a "toilet shim". I have attached a photo. This worked for a > season until I installed the factory parts. > > Chris > > > > > >> On 8/6/2022 12:34 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > >> There is an important piece of hardware between the two spreaders. > >> Inside the mast, there is a thick aluminum ferrule that prevents the > >> long single bolt that joins the two spreaders together, from > >> compressing the mast if it is over-tightened or the vectored forces > >> of the rig compress the walls of the mast at this point. Well I > >> assume that is its function. This is the case for my '83 mast, > >> Though as I write this is it possible I am thinking of my 1976 mast. > >> Damn! I Think I'm getting old. Can someone confirm or debunk this > >> memory? Not sure if this can be retro-fitted at this juncture or how > critical it really is, especially with the extra plates welded on. > >> Be sure to use an galvanic isolation compound anywhere SS is in > >> contact with Aluminum. I think you made the right decision to fix > >> the mast the way you did, now you can begin enjoying the joy of sailing > a Rhodes. > >> > >> Chris Genakoplis > >> Zenos > >> > >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 10:07 AM Stephen Staum > wrote: > >>> > >>> Congratulations on your mast repair! I was thinking about you guys > >>> and am glad to hear you are making progress. > >>> A plastic washer/spacer goes up against the mast to prevent abrasion > >>> and bimetallic corrosion. I think you can find something at a good > >>> hardware store. Call me to discuss if you wish. Let me know when > >>> you are ready to raise the mast and launch. > >>> > >>> *Thanks and Stay Well,* > >>> > >>> *Stephen Staum* > >>> *s/v Pinafore* > >>> > >>> *Needham, MA* > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Aug 6, 2022 at 9:35 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list < > >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Finally, the mast came back! There were two holes/rips around the > >>>> spreader holders, and a plate was welded over those rips. > >>>> Apparently > >>> there > >>>> needs to be something between the aluminum mast and the steel > >>>> spreader holders. Could someone explain this to me? And can I make > it myself? > >>>> Thanks, everybody..Unfortunately, my photos of the mast repair will > >>>> not upload, but you can see them on the facebook Rhodes site. > >>>> > >>>> > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was > > scrubbed... > > Name: Spreader Shim.jpg > > Type: image/jpeg > > Size: 89478 bytes > > Desc: not available > > URL: > > > es22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220808%2Fe9d61a > > 1a%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu > > %7C4a1f5acef7134cad8ed908da79701616%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f > > %7C0%7C0%7C637955819564282677%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAw > > MDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C& > > ;sdata=aSLUZdXS0PFsSM0xa%2Fuhkvnwdfk7h8CZSxxoSIMG5Ho%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 20:10:47 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 20:10:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med. WK 8-9 Message-ID: Well still stuck here in Ellicott City MD, waiting on some medical stuff for the next 6 weeks. So here is another link to the next chapter on sailing the Rhodes around the eastern Mediterranean. Be sure to go sailing and read this later, https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tc_oEfgltQZj8HoXTM_wkd0vM4Smq4Vg/view?usp=sharing Chris & Alice Geankoplis Enosis From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Aug 10 21:16:52 2022 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 18:16:52 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sticking Message-ID: Rodney, >From your description, it sounds like something is binding in the outhaul mechanism. That's the resistance you would overcome by grabbing the clew of the sail and tugging it toward the mast. When you're underway, there's always lots of things going on simultaneously, and it's impossible to be aware of what's going on with every component. I'm guessing this will improve with experience, as it did with me. But, if freeing up the clew allows you to then reef the main without much trouble, it seems certain that there's no mechanical issue inside the mast. This is good news. Any issue that may exist outside the mast would be much easier to deal with. --Peter From jpd9668 at gmail.com Wed Aug 10 21:18:26 2022 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 21:18:26 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sticking In-Reply-To: <67ABB53A-E96D-4A2B-A529-A35A419B2587@gmail.com> Message-ID: <62f458f4.020a0220.8fe4f.ab10@mx.google.com> I had the same issue when I was new to the Rhodes. I mentioned it to Stan. He told me to have the boom level. Also, it's best if the main is luffing a little.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Robert Cohen Date: 8/10/22 6:13 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sticking Rodney-As a relatively new Rhodes owner, I have also had trouble furling the main.? One thing I learned is to always have the boat on a port tack when furling.? I also changed out the furling line, which helped a lot.Bob Cohen ?Silver Bay?Sent from my iPhone> On Aug 10, 2022, at 5:44 PM, R Brown wrote:> > ?Hello all, hope everyone is having a great summer of sailing.? I?ve been having an issue with the IMF the last few outings.? The system seems to ?bind up? when Im trying to furl the main when under way.? Doesn?t matter if I?m bow into the wind, I end up having to grab the sail at the outhaul car and pul it forward a couple of feet and then pull the reefing line to ?catch up?.? The odd thing is that when I?m in the slip, it functions normally, in and out as smooth as you please.? (I do routinely clean the boom slot and lubricate with McLube).? Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated .> > Thanks> > Rodney From rodellner at mac.com Wed Aug 10 21:42:43 2022 From: rodellner at mac.com (Rod Ellner) Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:42:43 -0600 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med. WK 8-9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9D367A0C-9040-42D3-B051-DFC11696E333@mac.com> Thanks Chris??Alice too?..great reading?? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > ?Well still stuck here in Ellicott City MD, waiting on some medical stuff > for the next 6 weeks. So here is another link to the next chapter on > sailing the Rhodes around the eastern Mediterranean. Be sure to go sailing > and read this later, > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tc_oEfgltQZj8HoXTM_wkd0vM4Smq4Vg/view?usp=sharing > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis > Enosis From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 07:06:41 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 07:06:41 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes in the Med. WK 8-9 In-Reply-To: <9D367A0C-9040-42D3-B051-DFC11696E333@mac.com> References: <9D367A0C-9040-42D3-B051-DFC11696E333@mac.com> Message-ID: Always happy to share. It was a very different area from the rest of the trip. Chris G Enosis On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 9:42 PM Rod Ellner via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > Thanks Chris??Alice too?..great reading?? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 10, 2022, at 6:11 PM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > > ?Well still stuck here in Ellicott City MD, waiting on some medical stuff > > for the next 6 weeks. So here is another link to the next chapter on > > sailing the Rhodes around the eastern Mediterranean. Be sure to go > sailing > > and read this later, > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Tc_oEfgltQZj8HoXTM_wkd0vM4Smq4Vg/view?usp=sharing > > > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis > > Enosis > From gramille at tds.net Thu Aug 11 08:42:04 2022 From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 08:42:04 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sticking In-Reply-To: <62f458f4.020a0220.8fe4f.ab10@mx.google.com> References: <62f458f4.020a0220.8fe4f.ab10@mx.google.com> Message-ID: A new sail made all the difference for me! Graham Parker SV 00sailin Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 10, 2022, at 9:18 PM, jpd9668 wrote: > > ?I had the same issue when I was new to the Rhodes. I mentioned it to Stan. He told me to have the boom level. Also, it's best if the main is luffing a little.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: Robert Cohen Date: 8/10/22 6:13 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] IMF sticking Rodney-As a relatively new Rhodes owner, I have also had trouble furling the main. One thing I learned is to always have the boat on a port tack when furling. I also changed out the furling line, which helped a lot.Bob Cohen ?Silver Bay?Sent from my iPhone> On Aug 10, 2022, at 5:44 PM, R Brown wrote:> > ?Hello all, hope everyone is having a great summer of sailing. I?ve been having an issue with the IMF the last few outings. The system seems to ?bind up? when Im trying to furl the main when under way. Doesn?t matter if I?m bow into the wind, I end up having to grab the sail at the outhaul car and pul it forward a couple of feet and then pull the reefing line to ?catch up?. The odd thing is that when I?m in the slip, it functions normally, in and out as smooth as you please. (I do routinely clean the boom slot and lubricate with McLube). Any thoughts or suggestions are greatly appreciated .> > Thanks> > Rodney From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Aug 11 15:52:23 2022 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 12:52:23 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Different Approach to Adding Lithium Batteries To Your Boat Message-ID: There's been some interest in this topic in the past, and I recently stumbled upon a different take on the subject that I found interesting, and I thought I'd share. LiFePO4 batteries have some benefits that everyone at all interested is probably already aware of, but they also have some potential problems. The biggest problems stem from the fact that the Battery Management System (BMS), may decide in some situations to take the battery offline. If you are entirely dependent on the lithium batteries, this would leave you entirely without power. In addition, if you were charging your lithium battery with an alternator at the time of disconnect, it is likely that the alternator would be ruined. There are complicated solutions to this problem involving additional equipment, but there's a guy who proposes the best approach is to just combine LiFePO4 and lead-acid batteries into a single battery bank. I won't bother trying to explain, because he does a pretty good job of it himself: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAuPfgZgXec He's got a few more related videos on his YouTube channel, if you continue to be interested. --Peter P.S. I'm not seriously considering doing this on my boat. From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Aug 11 17:12:24 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2022 17:12:24 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Week 10 Rhodes in the Med Message-ID: Another, but rather short week involving only 3 islands, and the solution to not having to abandon the ship in Greece and insight on this trip. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NAk_0d26GHxOrLUOZRdbOlReI_2goobh/view?usp=sharing Chris & Alice Enosis From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Thu Aug 11 23:01:43 2022 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 03:01:43 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Panels In-Reply-To: <62c4c7d0.1c69fb81.322fe.26e0@mx.google.com> References: <4ED4D8E9-E3E6-4839-B987-E8871FD91D6A@stottarchitecture.com> <62c4c7d0.1c69fb81.322fe.26e0@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks for posting. I was going to ask the same question. Was there any answers? BOB ORION '84 -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of jpd9668 Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 7:23 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Panels I need to replace the GBI solar panels. The manufacturer is no longer in business, all the marine suppliers want huge money for solar panels.? Amazon has many different sizes and types for a fraction. Does anyone on the List have suggestions for panels that can be deck mounted like the originals? Type and capacity?Joe Dempsey?SV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott Date: 7/5/22 11:51 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tongue-shaped flap in centerboard trunk gasket? I attached 3 pics.The first is a pic of the hoses in the slots when I first opened it. Has marine growth and barnacles. They are made from clear plasticc tubing you can buy at the hardware store but you? can also use a piece of 3/4" garden hose. The 2nd shows them out? and laying across the CB trunk. The 3rs shows them in the cleaned and painted trunk - ready to install the cap. Hope this helps. Ric Dadventure Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.comO -631-283-1777C- 516-965-3164> On Jul 5, 2022, at 11:38 AM, jpd9668 wrote:> > Ric,Please describe the tubing g in your CB trunk.. Size, length, location in trunk, means of fastening, etc. Photo if possible. Thanks,Joe Dempsey SV RespiteDeltaville,? VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott Date: 7/5/22? 10:56 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tongue-shaped flap in centerboard trunk gasket? The only reason for an extra flap in that area might be for protection of the CB rising in its slots and hitting the cap which could crack the cap or break thru it. The two pieces of hose in the slots are for that purpose as well. I do not have an extra? flap of neoprene gasket on my boat. Ric Dadventure Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.comO -631-283-1777C- 516-965-3164> On Jul 5, 2022, at 10:49 AM, Michael McKay wrote:> > In my old gasket (which I am replacing) there is a tongue-shaped flap in the forward section near the pivot pin.? There doesn't seem to be any point to this since the centerboard doesn't impinge on the gasket in this area either when up or down.? Do you know why this is there?> > Michael McKay> (630) 209-2054 (m)> > Sent from my iPhone-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: IMG_3635 3.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 1860624 bytesDesc: not availableURL: -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: IMG_3638.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 1818602 bytesDesc: not availableURL: -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: IMG_3755 2.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 2197403 bytesDesc: not availableURL: From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Thu Aug 11 23:19:45 2022 From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 03:19:45 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My boat is for sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rick, Did you sell her? BOB '84 ORION -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Rick Lange Sent: Monday, June 13, 2022 3:04 PM Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My boat is for sale Please see attached. Regards, Rick Lange -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: R22-Lange.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 859824 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jpd9668 at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 09:40:38 2022 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:40:38 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Panels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <62f6587d.920a0220.2c72.0f2d@mx.google.com> Got no replies.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "C. Robert Lester" Date: 8/11/22 11:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Panels Thanks for posting.I was going to ask the same question.Was there any answers?BOBORION '84-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of jpd9668Sent: Tuesday, July 5, 2022 7:23 PMTo: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar PanelsI need to replace the GBI solar panels. The manufacturer is no longer in business, all the marine suppliers want huge money for solar panels.? Amazon has many different sizes and types for a fraction. Does anyone on the List have suggestions for panels that can be deck mounted like the originals? Type and capacity?Joe Dempsey?SV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott Date: 7/5/22? 11:51 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tongue-shaped flap in centerboard trunk gasket? I attached 3 pics.The first is a pic of the hoses in the slots when I first opened it. Has marine growth and barnacles. They are made from clear plasticc tubing you can buy at the hardware store but you? can also use a piece of 3/4" garden hose. The 2nd shows them out? and laying across the CB trunk. The 3rs shows them in the cleaned and painted trunk - ready to install the cap. Hope this helps. Ric Dadventure Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.comO -631-283-1777C- 516-965-3164> On Jul 5, 2022, at 11:38 AM, jpd9668 wrote:> > Ric,Please describe the tubing g in your CB trunk.. Size, length, location in trunk, means of fastening, etc. Photo if possible. Thanks,Joe Dempsey SV RespiteDeltaville,? VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone> -------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott Date: 7/5/22? 10:56 AM? (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tongue-shaped flap in centerboard trunk gasket? The only reason for an extra flap in that area might be for protection of the CB rising in its slots and hitting the cap which could crack the cap or break thru it. The two pieces of hose in the slots are for that purpose as well. I do not have an extra? flap of neoprene gasket on my boat. Ric Dadventure Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.comO -631-283-1777C- 516-965-3164> On Jul 5, 2022, at 10:49 AM, Michael McKay wrote:> > In my old gasket (which I am replacing) there is a tongue-shaped flap in the forward section near the pivot pin.? There doesn't seem to be any point to this since the centerboard doesn't impinge on the gasket in this area either when up or down.? Do you know why this is there?> > Michael McKay> (630) 209-2054 (m)> > Sent from my iPhone-------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: IMG_3635 3.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 1860624 bytesDesc: not availableURL: -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: IMG_3638.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 1818602 bytesDesc: not availableURL: -------------- next part --------------A non-text attachment was scrubbed...Name: IMG_3755 2.jpegType: image/jpegSize: 2197403 bytesDesc: not availableURL: From mark at whipplefamily.com Fri Aug 12 10:32:28 2022 From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 10:32:28 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Solar Panels In-Reply-To: <62f6587d.920a0220.2c72.0f2d@mx.google.com> References: <62f6587d.920a0220.2c72.0f2d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Joe, Jesse Shumaker replied to your post the same day. See below. A reminder to all: deleting all (or most) of the previous messages from your email when responding to the list is a really nice thing to do for your list-mates - especially those reading on mobile devices (perhaps while on their boat?). Mark ---- Hi Joe, I think you can still get the solar panels that came mounted from the factory at the link below. https://www.batterystuff.com/solar-chargers/12v-solar-panels/power-up-12v-10-watt-lightweight-unbreakable-solar-panel-bsp1012-lss.html Here's the 30W panel I added on a SS mount over the stern rail. This has worked well and seems to be a good value. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07MZL3PSD I paired these with solar shutoff breakers and Renogy solar controllers. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09BQQCV3P https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NPDWZJ7 Good luck with your project. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Fri, Aug 12, 2022 at 9:40 AM jpd9668 wrote: > Got no replies.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone > -------- Original message --------From: "C. Robert Lester" < > C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> Date: 8/11/22 11:01 PM (GMT-05:00) To: > The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: > [Rhodes22-list] Solar Panels Thanks for posting.I was going to ask the same > question.Was there any answers?BOBORION '84 > From mike at traildesign.com Fri Aug 12 17:47:57 2022 From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:47:57 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Different Approach to Adding Lithium Batteries To Your Boat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Interesting video. Thanks for sharing this with the list Peter. Mike Riter SV Emma B On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 2:52 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > There's been some interest in this topic in the past, and I recently > stumbled upon a different take on the subject that I found interesting, and > I thought I'd share. > > LiFePO4 batteries have some benefits that everyone at all interested is > probably already aware of, but they also have some potential problems. The > biggest problems stem from the fact that the Battery Management System > (BMS), may decide in some situations to take the battery offline. If you > are entirely dependent on the lithium batteries, this would leave you > entirely without power. In addition, if you were charging your lithium > battery with an alternator at the time of disconnect, it is likely that the > alternator would be ruined. > > There are complicated solutions to this problem involving additional > equipment, but there's a guy who proposes the best approach is to just > combine LiFePO4 and lead-acid batteries into a single battery bank. > > I won't bother trying to explain, because he does a pretty good job of it > himself: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAuPfgZgXec > > He's got a few more related videos on his YouTube channel, if you continue > to be interested. > > --Peter > > P.S. I'm not seriously considering doing this on my boat. > > From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Fri Aug 12 22:37:37 2022 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay) Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 22:37:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Different Approach to Adding Lithium Batteries To Your Boat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6EC99EF8-F262-46C8-A76F-3FFEC37CA083@gmail.com> Thanks For sharing this Peter. There is an excellent article about lithium battery systems written by Andy Schell in the current issue of Sail magazine. The technology has a lot of potential benefits for cruising sailors, but I agree not so much for our lot. Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 11, 2022, at 3:52 PM, Peter Nyberg wrote: > > ?There's been some interest in this topic in the past, and I recently stumbled upon a different take on the subject that I found interesting, and I thought I'd share. > > LiFePO4 batteries have some benefits that everyone at all interested is probably already aware of, but they also have some potential problems. The biggest problems stem from the fact that the Battery Management System (BMS), may decide in some situations to take the battery offline. If you are entirely dependent on the lithium batteries, this would leave you entirely without power. In addition, if you were charging your lithium battery with an alternator at the time of disconnect, it is likely that the alternator would be ruined. > > There are complicated solutions to this problem involving additional equipment, but there's a guy who proposes the best approach is to just combine LiFePO4 and lead-acid batteries into a single battery bank. > > I won't bother trying to explain, because he does a pretty good job of it himself: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAuPfgZgXec > > He's got a few more related videos on his YouTube channel, if you continue to be interested. > > --Peter > > P.S. I'm not seriously considering doing this on my boat. > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 09:30:41 2022 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 08:30:41 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Different Approach to Adding Lithium Batteries To Your Boat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Peter. That youtube channel has quite a bit of interesting background. I wonder if you have checked out https://atomvoyages.com/ or the corresponding youtube channel . There is lots of interesting project work there. I suspect a bunch of us on the list probably watch a bunch of the same sailing you tube channels. By the way, thanks for posting the videos of your recent Maine trip. It's always great to watch your adventures. An update from some of my posts of the electrical update I made over the winter: the system that I ended up with was a the LiFePO4 as a house battery charged by 30W solar panel mounted above the stern rail, and then a small sealed lead acid battery on a separate circuit for my electric start motor + motor lift. The lead acid battery is changed by the two 10W solar panels (that came with the R22) wired in series, as well as the alternator. So far this has worked out well. Like a lot of my projects, it's probably overkill. Each of the batteries is under 30lbs so it is easier to take them out for the off season. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 2:52 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: > There's been some interest in this topic in the past, and I recently > stumbled upon a different take on the subject that I found interesting, and > I thought I'd share. > > LiFePO4 batteries have some benefits that everyone at all interested is > probably already aware of, but they also have some potential problems. The > biggest problems stem from the fact that the Battery Management System > (BMS), may decide in some situations to take the battery offline. If you > are entirely dependent on the lithium batteries, this would leave you > entirely without power. In addition, if you were charging your lithium > battery with an alternator at the time of disconnect, it is likely that the > alternator would be ruined. > > There are complicated solutions to this problem involving additional > equipment, but there's a guy who proposes the best approach is to just > combine LiFePO4 and lead-acid batteries into a single battery bank. > > I won't bother trying to explain, because he does a pretty good job of it > himself: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAuPfgZgXec > > He's got a few more related videos on his YouTube channel, if you continue > to be interested. > > --Peter > > P.S. I'm not seriously considering doing this on my boat. > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Aug 13 09:33:12 2022 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 08:33:12 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Week 10 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, thanks for posting your recent adventures. A lot of interesting history as usual. So sorry to hear about the diplomatic fiasco! I hope the recent medical stuff ends up OK and you can get back to cruising your big boat soon. Jesse Shumaker S/V Zephyr On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:12 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Another, but rather short week involving only 3 islands, and the solution > to not having to abandon the ship in Greece and insight on this trip. > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NAk_0d26GHxOrLUOZRdbOlReI_2goobh/view?usp=sharing > > Chris & Alice > Enosis > From tvpolise at aol.com Sat Aug 13 11:52:07 2022 From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE) Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 11:52:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Different Approach to Adding Lithium Batteries To Your Boat In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jesse, do you have a wiring diagram on how you wired the 10 watt solar panels? > On Aug 13, 2022, at 9:31 AM, Jesse Shumaker wrote: > > ?Thanks Peter. That youtube channel has quite a bit of interesting > background. I wonder if you have checked out https://atomvoyages.com/ or > the corresponding youtube channel > . There is lots of > interesting project work there. I suspect a bunch of us on the list > probably watch a bunch of the same sailing you tube channels. By the way, > thanks for posting the videos of your recent Maine trip. It's always great > to watch your adventures. > > An update from some of my posts of the electrical update I made over the > winter: the system that I ended up with was a the LiFePO4 as a house > battery charged by 30W solar panel mounted above the stern rail, and then a > small sealed lead acid battery on a separate circuit for my electric start > motor + motor lift. The lead acid battery is changed by the two 10W solar > panels (that came with the R22) wired in series, as well as the > alternator. So far this has worked out well. Like a lot of my projects, > it's probably overkill. Each of the batteries is under 30lbs so it is > easier to take them out for the off season. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 2:52 PM Peter Nyberg wrote: >> >> There's been some interest in this topic in the past, and I recently >> stumbled upon a different take on the subject that I found interesting, and >> I thought I'd share. >> >> LiFePO4 batteries have some benefits that everyone at all interested is >> probably already aware of, but they also have some potential problems. The >> biggest problems stem from the fact that the Battery Management System >> (BMS), may decide in some situations to take the battery offline. If you >> are entirely dependent on the lithium batteries, this would leave you >> entirely without power. In addition, if you were charging your lithium >> battery with an alternator at the time of disconnect, it is likely that the >> alternator would be ruined. >> >> There are complicated solutions to this problem involving additional >> equipment, but there's a guy who proposes the best approach is to just >> combine LiFePO4 and lead-acid batteries into a single battery bank. >> >> I won't bother trying to explain, because he does a pretty good job of it >> himself: >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAuPfgZgXec >> >> He's got a few more related videos on his YouTube channel, if you continue >> to be interested. >> >> --Peter >> >> P.S. I'm not seriously considering doing this on my boat. >> >> From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 11:22:32 2022 From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 11:22:32 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Week 10 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "we are living in what is the future generations? history."...Interesting concept that I've not seen put quite that way. I was also touched by your observations of the trauma of those escaping the middle east and not welcomed in Europe. Looking forward to the next installment. --Reuben Reuben Mezrich cell: 410-499-8922 Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 5:12 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Another, but rather short week involving only 3 islands, and the solution > to not having to abandon the ship in Greece and insight on this trip. > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NAk_0d26GHxOrLUOZRdbOlReI_2goobh/view?usp=sharing > > Chris & Alice > Enosis > From rnelson204 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 12:45:25 2022 From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (R Brown) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 11:45:25 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Mount Question Message-ID: Hello all, I am exploring replacing the 7:1 mount with a traditional parallelogram sprung unit. The 87 pound Yamaha is just to much of a pain point to lift routinely, I was wondering if anyone has suggestions or recommendations on a unit, and if sonny tips on installation (vertical placement on the transom, sealing the new through hull bolts etc.) Thanks and have a great day. Rodney From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 14:23:34 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 14:23:34 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Week 10 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes the phrase came to me when I walked past all the evidence of history and then saw the ?history? of our current times. One more installment then, silence. Well till I go some place else with the Kansas Rhodes (not Kansas I think). Maybe Lake Superior next summer? It isn?t that far to the St. Lawrence Seaway from there. Chris Enosis/Xenos On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 11:22 AM Reuben Mezrich wrote: > "we are living in what is the future generations? history."...Interesting > concept that I've not seen put quite that way. I was also touched by your > observations of the trauma of those escaping the middle east and not > welcomed in Europe. > Looking forward to the next installment. > --Reuben > Reuben Mezrich > cell: 410-499-8922 > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 5:12 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Another, but rather short week involving only 3 islands, and the solution > > to not having to abandon the ship in Greece and insight on this trip. > > > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NAk_0d26GHxOrLUOZRdbOlReI_2goobh/view?usp=sharing > > > > Chris & Alice > > Enosis > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 17:09:49 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 17:09:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Week 10 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jesse, Yeah, the medical stuff is not life threatening just keeps me with a "no lifting more than 15 lbs. Can't do much on a boat with those restrictions. Hell, I weigh more than that! Grin. Should be back to my crazy self by the end of October. Looking forward to some more adventures next summer. Domestic adventures, or at least restrict myself to the North American continent. Chris G. Enosis/Xenos On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 9:33 AM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Chris, thanks for posting your recent adventures. A lot of interesting > history as usual. So sorry to hear about the diplomatic fiasco! I hope > the recent medical stuff ends up OK and you can get back to cruising your > big boat soon. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:12 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Another, but rather short week involving only 3 islands, and the solution > > to not having to abandon the ship in Greece and insight on this trip. > > > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NAk_0d26GHxOrLUOZRdbOlReI_2goobh/view?usp=sharing > > > > Chris & Alice > > Enosis > > > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 18:23:46 2022 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 17:23:46 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Week 10 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Glad to know that it's nothing too serious and hasn't affected your sense of humor :) Hope you feel better soon! On Sun, Aug 14, 2022, 4:10 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hi Jesse, > Yeah, the medical stuff is not life threatening just keeps me > with a "no lifting more than 15 lbs. Can't do much on a boat with those > restrictions. Hell, I weigh more than that! Grin. Should be back to my > crazy self by the end of October. Looking forward to some more adventures > next summer. Domestic adventures, or at least restrict myself to the > North American continent. > > Chris G. > Enosis/Xenos > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 9:33 AM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > Chris, thanks for posting your recent adventures. A lot of interesting > > history as usual. So sorry to hear about the diplomatic fiasco! I hope > > the recent medical stuff ends up OK and you can get back to cruising your > > big boat soon. > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > S/V Zephyr > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:12 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Another, but rather short week involving only 3 islands, and the > solution > > > to not having to abandon the ship in Greece and insight on this trip. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NAk_0d26GHxOrLUOZRdbOlReI_2goobh/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > Chris & Alice > > > Enosis > > > > > > From jpd9668 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 19:44:37 2022 From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 19:44:37 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Mount Question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <62f988f1.050a0220.65969.032b@mx.google.com> My Suzuki weighs 125#. No prob for GBI lift.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone -------- Original message --------From: R Brown Date: 8/14/22 12:45 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Mount Question Hello all, I am exploring replacing the 7:1 mount with a traditional parallelogram sprung unit.? The 87 pound Yamaha is just to much of a pain point to lift routinely,? I was wondering if anyone has suggestions or recommendations on a unit, and if sonny tipson installation (vertical placement on the transom, sealing the new through hull bolts etc.)Thanks and have a great day.Rodney From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 22:17:08 2022 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 22:17:08 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Mount Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have an 8 HP Tohatsu and have found that the weight of it is increasingly difficult to manage, both on the mount and especially when I need to take it off to have it serviced (and it needs service, since it has quit on me lately while trying to motor out from or back to the sailing club). So my radical change is to sell it (anyone interested?) and invest in a Torqeedo. I have used the electric motor only a couple of times so far, but I love it ? and it works very well with the 7:1 motor mount on the Rhodes. I realize this is not responsive to your question about alternative motor mounts, but I thought I would share what I have done. Best, Frank Frank Goldsmith S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001) Fairview, NC Lake Keowee, SC > On Aug 14, 2022, at 12:45 PM, R Brown wrote: > > Hello all, I am exploring replacing the 7:1 mount with a traditional parallelogram sprung unit. The 87 pound Yamaha is just to much of a pain point to lift routinely, I was wondering if anyone has suggestions or recommendations on a unit, and if sonny tips > on installation (vertical placement on the transom, sealing the new through hull bolts etc.) > > > Thanks and have a great day. > > Rodney From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 22:32:35 2022 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 22:32:35 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? In-Reply-To: <1373618874.1587450.1660064121812@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1373618874.1587450.1660064121812@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It will be great if we can meet up. I will be there 10/12-10/15. I also asked Stan if he would be there and haven?t heard either. Michael McKay (630) 209-2054 (m) Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 9, 2022, at 12:55 PM, John McLaughlin via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?I sent Stan a email yesterday asking that question and haven?t gotten a response as of today. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2022, 12:34 PM, Graham Parker wrote: > > The big question is - will Stan be there? > Graham Parker > Sv 00Sailin > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Bob Garrant wrote: >> >> ?Bob Garrant is planning to go. I live on Kent Island across the Bay Bridge >> from Annapolis. >> Bob Garrant >> 410-353-1535 >> Sail la Vie 2000/2017 >> >>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 8:13 AM Mark West via Rhodes22-list < >>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: >>> >>> Mark and Connie West plan on going. Hope to see all the Rhodes 22 owners >>> there. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Michael McKay >>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org >>> Sent: Mon, Aug 8, 2022 11:35 pm >>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Going to the Annapolis Boat Show? >>> >>> Hi, I?m planning on going to the Annapolis Boat Show in October, and am >>> wondering if any of you folks are also planning on being there? It would >>> be great to meet you. >>> >>> Michael McKay >>> (630) 209-2054 (m) >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> > > > > From rnelson204 at gmail.com Sun Aug 14 23:41:12 2022 From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown) Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2022 22:41:12 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Mount Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Frank Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 14, 2022, at 21:17, Frank Goldsmith wrote: > > ?I have an 8 HP Tohatsu and have found that the weight of it is increasingly difficult to manage, both on the mount and especially when I need to take it off to have it serviced (and it needs service, since it has quit on me lately while trying to motor out from or back to the sailing club). So my radical change is to sell it (anyone interested?) and invest in a Torqeedo. I have used the electric motor only a couple of times so far, but I love it ? and it works very well with the 7:1 motor mount on the Rhodes. I realize this is not responsive to your question about alternative motor mounts, but I thought I would share what I have done. > > Best, > > Frank, which model Torqeedo did you go with? I?ve been back and forth on this myself. > > Frank Goldsmith > S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001) > Fairview, NC > Lake Keowee, SC > > >> On Aug 14, 2022, at 12:45 PM, R Brown wrote: >> >> Hello all, I am exploring replacing the 7:1 mount with a traditional parallelogram sprung unit. The 87 pound Yamaha is just to much of a pain point to lift routinely, I was wondering if anyone has suggestions or recommendations on a unit, and if sonny tips >> on installation (vertical placement on the transom, sealing the new through hull bolts etc.) >> >> >> Thanks and have a great day. >> >> Rodney > From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 08:07:51 2022 From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 08:07:51 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Motor Mount Question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20103BB9-8CE9-4B94-A997-407A624CC8A9@gmail.com> Rodney, I went with the Torqeedo 1103 CL (long shaft), which has a 915 WH lithium-ion battery. So far, so good. My wife and I went for a sail the other day, and after using the motor to get in and out of the marina, and occasionally to go in search of better wind on a mild day on the lake, it still had 81% capacity left when we got back. It?s pricey, but for me it?s a good investment to save my back and the frustrations I?ve had with my gasoline motor. Torqeedo had a promotion in July that included travel bags and an extended warranty, so I took advantage of that. They shipped it very promptly and I had it within a matter of days. I considered the ePropulsion, but I read too many reports of people paying deposits and waiting months for the motor to arrive, if at all, and their customer service was not very responsive when I sent them an inquiry about where to buy one. Torqeedo, on the other hand, answered my e-mail questions very promptly. I like that I can leave the motor in the cabin and just bring the battery home to recharge when needed. I?m a convert to electric motors in general. I have an electric chainsaw and weed-eater, and one of these days I?ll spring for an electric car or truck. Frank > On Aug 14, 2022, at 11:41 PM, Rodney Brown wrote: > > Frank > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 14, 2022, at 21:17, Frank Goldsmith wrote: >> >> ?I have an 8 HP Tohatsu and have found that the weight of it is increasingly difficult to manage, both on the mount and especially when I need to take it off to have it serviced (and it needs service, since it has quit on me lately while trying to motor out from or back to the sailing club). So my radical change is to sell it (anyone interested?) and invest in a Torqeedo. I have used the electric motor only a couple of times so far, but I love it ? and it works very well with the 7:1 motor mount on the Rhodes. I realize this is not responsive to your question about alternative motor mounts, but I thought I would share what I have done. >> >> Best, >> >> Frank, which model Torqeedo did you go with? I?ve been back and forth on this myself. > >> >> Frank Goldsmith >> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001) >> Fairview, NC >> Lake Keowee, SC >> >> >>> On Aug 14, 2022, at 12:45 PM, R Brown wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, I am exploring replacing the 7:1 mount with a traditional parallelogram sprung unit. The 87 pound Yamaha is just to much of a pain point to lift routinely, I was wondering if anyone has suggestions or recommendations on a unit, and if sonny tips >>> on installation (vertical placement on the transom, sealing the new through hull bolts etc.) >>> >>> >>> Thanks and have a great day. >>> >>> Rodney >> From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 09:36:45 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 09:36:45 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Week 10 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Jesse! Chris G On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 6:24 PM Jesse Shumaker < jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > Glad to know that it's nothing too serious and hasn't affected your sense > of humor :) Hope you feel better soon! > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022, 4:10 PM Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > Hi Jesse, > > Yeah, the medical stuff is not life threatening just keeps me > > with a "no lifting more than 15 lbs. Can't do much on a boat with those > > restrictions. Hell, I weigh more than that! Grin. Should be back to my > > crazy self by the end of October. Looking forward to some more > adventures > > next summer. Domestic adventures, or at least restrict myself to the > > North American continent. > > > > Chris G. > > Enosis/Xenos > > > > On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 9:33 AM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Chris, thanks for posting your recent adventures. A lot of interesting > > > history as usual. So sorry to hear about the diplomatic fiasco! I > hope > > > the recent medical stuff ends up OK and you can get back to cruising > your > > > big boat soon. > > > > > > Jesse Shumaker > > > S/V Zephyr > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:12 PM Chris Geankoplis < > > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Another, but rather short week involving only 3 islands, and the > > solution > > > > to not having to abandon the ship in Greece and insight on this trip. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NAk_0d26GHxOrLUOZRdbOlReI_2goobh/view?usp=sharing > > > > > > > > Chris & Alice > > > > Enosis > > > > > > > > > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Aug 15 10:18:13 2022 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 10:18:13 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Week 10 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6B9BF376-356A-41B6-8EB0-9857CD52D39D@stottarchitecture.com> Like the 87 year old owner of the C&C35 I've been racing on for 32 years says - ? Aging is not for sissys? He?s still the captain, makes the calls, drives the boat - it?s a little scary sometimes, but he?s still very sharp. Us Rhodies tend to be aging because - - - it's just the right boat for aging sailors. I get my racing ya ya?s out on Wednesday nights and a few weekends and get my relaxing done on the Rhodes when I?m not in a hurry. Different thread but related to aging - - - After going through 4 outboards and considering electric (I?m on a mooring) , I bought a new Honda 8HP XLS. It a beauty - starts and runs quietly and uses little gas, but it weighs a ton (118 lbs) and I can?t move it without help. (Any more) BTW - I had it on a parallelogram type mount while I rebuilt Stan?s 7;1 rig. I hated the parallelogram mount - it just didn?t work with my stern rail, the rudder and the rig. I used to use one on a Catalina 22 which worked well, but I was happy to get Stan?s design operational again. Chris - Heal fast and recover - love reading your posts - thank you. Ric Dadventure Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Aug 15, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Chris Geankoplis wrote: > > Thanks Jesse! > Chris G > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 6:24 PM Jesse Shumaker < > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >> Glad to know that it's nothing too serious and hasn't affected your sense >> of humor :) Hope you feel better soon! >> >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022, 4:10 PM Chris Geankoplis >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Jesse, >>> Yeah, the medical stuff is not life threatening just keeps me >>> with a "no lifting more than 15 lbs. Can't do much on a boat with those >>> restrictions. Hell, I weigh more than that! Grin. Should be back to my >>> crazy self by the end of October. Looking forward to some more >> adventures >>> next summer. Domestic adventures, or at least restrict myself to the >>> North American continent. >>> >>> Chris G. >>> Enosis/Xenos >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 9:33 AM Jesse Shumaker < >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Chris, thanks for posting your recent adventures. A lot of interesting >>>> history as usual. So sorry to hear about the diplomatic fiasco! I >> hope >>>> the recent medical stuff ends up OK and you can get back to cruising >> your >>>> big boat soon. >>>> >>>> Jesse Shumaker >>>> S/V Zephyr >>>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:12 PM Chris Geankoplis < >>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Another, but rather short week involving only 3 islands, and the >>> solution >>>>> to not having to abandon the ship in Greece and insight on this trip. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NAk_0d26GHxOrLUOZRdbOlReI_2goobh/view?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> Chris & Alice >>>>> Enosis >>>>> >>>> >>> >> From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 10:56:33 2022 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 10:56:33 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Furling Line Too Short Message-ID: See attached photo. You could say my outhaul line is too short but more likely my furling line is wrapped around the IMF furling tube too many times and doesn't allow me to furl the mainsail into the mast enough for my liking. I've never installed a mainsail on our boats. Is there an easy way to unwrap the furling line a couple of turns without removing the mast? Thanks! Lee 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE Claytor Lake, VA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20220812_133637.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3253509 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rweiss at siu.edu Mon Aug 15 11:04:22 2022 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 15:04:22 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Furling Line Too Short In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I did this just recently. Take apart the "handle" of the furling line sticking out of the boom. Tie a string to it and then pull it out of the front of the boom. Untie the string and unwrap a turn or more by using something to stick into the slot where the furling line is and pulling it out. When you have the right number of wraps, tie the end of the furling line back on the string and pull it back through the boom. Re-assemble your handle on the end of the furling line. Bob Beach Spring Recycled 2014 Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee Kuhn Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 9:56 AM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Furling Line Too Short [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. See attached photo. You could say my outhaul line is too short but more likely my furling line is wrapped around the IMF furling tube too many times and doesn't allow me to furl the mainsail into the mast enough for my liking. I've never installed a mainsail on our boats. Is there an easy way to unwrap the furling line a couple of turns without removing the mast? Thanks! Lee 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE Claytor Lake, VA -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20220812_133637.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3253509 bytes Desc: not available URL: From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 11:54:09 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 11:54:09 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Week 10 Rhodes in the Med In-Reply-To: <6B9BF376-356A-41B6-8EB0-9857CD52D39D@stottarchitecture.com> References: <6B9BF376-356A-41B6-8EB0-9857CD52D39D@stottarchitecture.com> Message-ID: Good, "aging isn't for sissy's", but damn it comes at a really bad time! Thanks for the thoughts Ric Chris G Enosis/Xenos On Mon, Aug 15, 2022 at 10:18 AM Ric Stott wrote: > Like the 87 year old owner of the C&C35 I've been racing on for 32 years > says - ? Aging is not for sissys? > He?s still the captain, makes the calls, drives the boat - it?s a little > scary sometimes, but he?s still very sharp. > Us Rhodies tend to be aging because - - - it's just the right boat for > aging sailors. > I get my racing ya ya?s out on Wednesday nights and a few weekends and get > my relaxing done on the Rhodes when I?m not in a hurry. > Different thread but related to aging - - - > After going through 4 outboards and considering electric (I?m on a > mooring) , I bought a new Honda 8HP XLS. > It a beauty - starts and runs quietly and uses little gas, but it weighs > a ton (118 lbs) and I can?t move it without help. (Any more) > BTW - I had it on a parallelogram type mount while I rebuilt Stan?s 7;1 > rig. > I hated the parallelogram mount - it just didn?t work with my stern rail, > the rudder and the rig. > I used to use one on a Catalina 22 which worked well, but I was happy to > get Stan?s design operational again. > Chris - Heal fast and recover - love reading your posts - thank you. > Ric > Dadventure > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com > O -631-283-1777 > C- 516-965-3164 > > > > > On Aug 15, 2022, at 9:36 AM, Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > > > > Thanks Jesse! > > Chris G > > > > On Sun, Aug 14, 2022 at 6:24 PM Jesse Shumaker < > > jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Glad to know that it's nothing too serious and hasn't affected your > sense > >> of humor :) Hope you feel better soon! > >> > >> On Sun, Aug 14, 2022, 4:10 PM Chris Geankoplis < > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Jesse, > >>> Yeah, the medical stuff is not life threatening just keeps > me > >>> with a "no lifting more than 15 lbs. Can't do much on a boat with > those > >>> restrictions. Hell, I weigh more than that! Grin. Should be back to > my > >>> crazy self by the end of October. Looking forward to some more > >> adventures > >>> next summer. Domestic adventures, or at least restrict myself to the > >>> North American continent. > >>> > >>> Chris G. > >>> Enosis/Xenos > >>> > >>> On Sat, Aug 13, 2022 at 9:33 AM Jesse Shumaker < > >>> jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Chris, thanks for posting your recent adventures. A lot of > interesting > >>>> history as usual. So sorry to hear about the diplomatic fiasco! I > >> hope > >>>> the recent medical stuff ends up OK and you can get back to cruising > >> your > >>>> big boat soon. > >>>> > >>>> Jesse Shumaker > >>>> S/V Zephyr > >>>> > >>>> On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 4:12 PM Chris Geankoplis < > >>>> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Another, but rather short week involving only 3 islands, and the > >>> solution > >>>>> to not having to abandon the ship in Greece and insight on this trip. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1NAk_0d26GHxOrLUOZRdbOlReI_2goobh/view?usp=sharing > >>>>> > >>>>> Chris & Alice > >>>>> Enosis > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Mon Aug 15 12:06:07 2022 From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn) Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 12:06:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Furling Line Too Short In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bob, Big thanks. Would have never figured this out on my own. Lee On Mon, Aug 15, 2022, 11:04 AM Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list < rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote: > I did this just recently. > > Take apart the "handle" of the furling line sticking out of the boom. Tie > a string to it and then pull it out of the front of the boom. Untie the > string and unwrap a turn or more by using something to stick into the slot > where the furling line is and pulling it out. When you have the right > number of wraps, tie the end of the furling line back on the string and > pull it back through the boom. Re-assemble your handle on the end of the > furling line. > > Bob > Beach Spring > Recycled 2014 > > Robert L Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Lee > Kuhn > Sent: Monday, August 15, 2022 9:56 AM > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] IMF Furling Line Too Short > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. > > See attached photo. You could say my outhaul line is too short but more > likely my furling line is wrapped around the IMF furling tube too many > times and doesn't allow me to furl the mainsail into the mast enough for my > liking. > > I've never installed a mainsail on our boats. Is there an easy way to > unwrap the furling line a couple of turns without removing the mast? > > Thanks! > > Lee > 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE > Claytor Lake, VA > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: 20220812_133637.jpg > Type: image/jpeg > Size: 3253509 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: < > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220815%2Ff143e01b%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7Crweiss%40siu.edu%7Cf447af76ef6d42e7dcee08da7ece63bb%7Cd57a98e7744d43f9bc9108de1ff3710d%7C0%7C0%7C637961722573466497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xs5M74Sd%2BVXXDctRmAXYi1mgaMMaD4MXItmox0%2FoLos%3D&reserved=0 > > > From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 12:06:18 2022 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:06:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the HIN? Message-ID: I?m looking for the HIN on my 2006 R22. I did a cursory review of the transom but didn?t notice it there. Did I miss it or is it somewhere else? Thanks, Michael McKay s/v Liber 2006/2018 Sent from my iPhone From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed Aug 24 12:30:49 2022 From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:30:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the HIN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002301d8b7d6$e1812050$a48360f0$@ebsmed.com> It should be on the stern, starboard side as pictured in: http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attch/200306/15/HullNumber1-0001.jpg and the magic decoder is at: http://rhodes22.org/reference-topic.html?H|reference/Hull%20-%20Hull%20Numbers.html Mike s/v Wind Lass ('91) Nissequogue River, NY I?d rather be sailing :~) -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Michael McKay Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 12:06 PM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the HIN? I?m looking for the HIN on my 2006 R22. I did a cursory review of the transom but didn?t notice it there. Did I miss it or is it somewhere else? Thanks, Michael McKay s/v Liber 2006/2018 Sent from my iPhone= From retiredtoby at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 12:39:21 2022 From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 12:39:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the HIN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Michael, my 86 has the VIN on the starboard side just under the rub rail. It is just right of the swim ladder. I am not sure there are any regulations as to the location. Different years may have different locations. It may have been painted over. Look for rivit holes, it may be missing. Best of luck. Cary Claytor Lake VA On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 12:06 PM Michael McKay wrote: > I?m looking for the HIN on my 2006 R22. I did a cursory review of the > transom but didn?t notice it there. Did I miss it or is it somewhere else? > > Thanks, > > Michael McKay > s/v Liber 2006/2018 > > Sent from my iPhone From sea20 at verizon.net Wed Aug 24 14:04:47 2022 From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:04:47 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the HIN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Another possibility is in the lazzerette starboard side. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 24, 2022, at 12:39 PM, Cary Tolbert wrote: > > ?Michael, my 86 has the VIN on the starboard side just under the rub rail. > It is just right of the swim ladder. I am not sure there are any > regulations as to the location. Different years may have different > locations. It may have been painted over. Look for rivit holes, it may be > missing. > Best of luck. > Cary > Claytor Lake VA > > >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 12:06 PM Michael McKay wrote: >> >> I?m looking for the HIN on my 2006 R22. I did a cursory review of the >> transom but didn?t notice it there. Did I miss it or is it somewhere else? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Michael McKay >> s/v Liber 2006/2018 >> >> Sent from my iPhone From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 14:09:49 2022 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:09:49 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance Message-ID: I'm now asking $2900. http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf Rick Lange From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Aug 24 14:17:53 2022 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:17:53 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Where is it located Rick?? Please contact me off line 516 -965-3164 Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Aug 24, 2022, at 2:09 PM, Rick Lange wrote: > > I'm now asking $2900. > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > Rick Lange From oehecht at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 14:26:44 2022 From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 14:26:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you missing a 1 in the new price? Otherwise that?s a massive discount (and deal)! On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:10 PM Rick Lange wrote: > I'm now asking $2900. > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > Rick Lange > From keywestseccorp at verizon.net Wed Aug 24 14:28:22 2022 From: keywestseccorp at verizon.net (Mark West) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 18:28:22 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1424731703.1376068.1661365702552@mail.yahoo.com> ill buy it for the trailer haha -----Original Message----- From: Olivier Hecht To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Sent: Wed, Aug 24, 2022 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance Are you missing a 1 in the new price?? Otherwise that?s a massive discount (and deal)! On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:10 PM Rick Lange wrote: > I'm now asking $2900. > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > Rick Lange > From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 15:01:46 2022 From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:01:46 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think he's in Cleveland. On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:17 PM Ric Stott wrote: > Where is it located Rick?? > Please contact me off line > 516 -965-3164 > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > ric at stottarchitecture.com > O -631-283-1777 > C- 516-965-3164 > > > > > On Aug 24, 2022, at 2:09 PM, Rick Lange > wrote: > > > > I'm now asking $2900. > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > > > Rick Lange > > From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Aug 24 15:05:05 2022 From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:05:05 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?M INTERESTED RICK PLEASE CALL MY CELL. RIC Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP ric at stottarchitecture.com O -631-283-1777 C- 516-965-3164 > On Aug 24, 2022, at 3:01 PM, Brian Ferguson wrote: > > I think he's in Cleveland. > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:17 PM Ric Stott wrote: > >> Where is it located Rick?? >> Please contact me off line >> 516 -965-3164 >> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP >> ric at stottarchitecture.com >> O -631-283-1777 >> C- 516-965-3164 >> >> >> >>> On Aug 24, 2022, at 2:09 PM, Rick Lange >> wrote: >>> >>> I'm now asking $2900. >>> >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf >>> >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf >>> >>> Rick Lange >> >> From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 15:06:18 2022 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 15:06:18 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have an offer and expect a deposit today. I it falls through, I'll post again tomorrow. Regards, Rick Lange On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 3:02 PM Brian Ferguson wrote: > I think he's in Cleveland. > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:17 PM Ric Stott > wrote: > > > Where is it located Rick?? > > Please contact me off line > > 516 -965-3164 > > > > Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP > > ric at stottarchitecture.com > > O -631-283-1777 > > C- 516-965-3164 > > > > > > > > > On Aug 24, 2022, at 2:09 PM, Rick Lange > > wrote: > > > > > > I'm now asking $2900. > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Wed Aug 24 22:40:30 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2022 22:40:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Rick, is this still available? Chris Geankoplis Enosis On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:10 PM Rick Lange wrote: > I'm now asking $2900. > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > Rick Lange > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 09:02:12 2022 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:02:12 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Chris, I expected to shake hands today. If not, I'll let you know. On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 10:40 PM Chris Geankoplis wrote: > Hey Rick, is this still available? > Chris Geankoplis > Enosis > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:10 PM Rick Lange > wrote: > > > I'm now asking $2900. > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > > > Rick Lange > > > From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 09:17:30 2022 From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:17:30 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: expect On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:02 AM Rick Lange wrote: > Hi Chris, I expected to shake hands today. If not, I'll let you know. > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 10:40 PM Chris Geankoplis > wrote: > >> Hey Rick, is this still available? >> Chris Geankoplis >> Enosis >> >> On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:10 PM Rick Lange >> wrote: >> >> > I'm now asking $2900. >> > >> > >> > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf >> > >> > >> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf >> > >> > Rick Lange >> > >> > From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 09:50:44 2022 From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 09:50:44 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Clearance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, missing my Med Rhodes. Yes let me know. On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 9:02 AM Rick Lange wrote: > Hi Chris, I expected to shake hands today. If not, I'll let you know. > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 10:40 PM Chris Geankoplis > > wrote: > > > Hey Rick, is this still available? > > Chris Geankoplis > > Enosis > > > > On Wed, Aug 24, 2022 at 2:10 PM Rick Lange > > wrote: > > > > > I'm now asking $2900. > > > > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > > > > > > > > http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf > > > > > > Rick Lange > > > > > > From rnelson204 at gmail.com Thu Aug 25 19:45:50 2022 From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN) Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2022 18:45:50 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jib Sheet length? Message-ID: <943567F2-A4E8-4E09-A5B4-E8BA579D5942@gmail.com> Hello all, 'Ive been doing some reading on the web, and seems there?s a lot of different opinions on sheet length (shocker I know). Im replacing the 170 and have a 130 on the way, and will ordering new jib sheets. They ?re as old as this hills and stiff to boot. For those who are running 130?s, do you have a recommendation on length? Thanks for the input, Rodney From snstaum at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 08:41:21 2022 From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 08:41:21 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jib Sheet length? In-Reply-To: <943567F2-A4E8-4E09-A5B4-E8BA579D5942@gmail.com> References: <943567F2-A4E8-4E09-A5B4-E8BA579D5942@gmail.com> Message-ID: I have had a 175, 150 and now 130 Genoas. I never measured the sheet length but I don't think it is different with the different sails. The sheets need to be long enough to furl the sail and leave enough in the cockpit to wrap around the winch and lock in the jam cleat. Since the boat is 22 feet and the jib sheet is one continuous line I would start with 45-50 feet and shorten it up if you have too much extra in the cockpit. By the way, I feel that the 130 is the best size for the Rhodes 22. The bigger sails get overpowered too quickly and the 175 gets caught in the rigging when you come about. Good sailing. *Thanks and Stay Well,* *Stephen Staum* *s/v Pinafore* *Needham, MA* On Thu, Aug 25, 2022 at 7:45 PM RODNEY BROWN wrote: > Hello all, 'Ive been doing some reading on the web, and seems there?s a > lot of different opinions on sheet length (shocker I know). Im replacing > the 170 and have a 130 on the way, and will ordering new jib sheets. They > ?re as old as this hills and stiff to boot. > > For those who are running 130?s, do you have a recommendation on length? > > Thanks for the input, > > Rodney From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Aug 26 10:35:54 2022 From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 07:35:54 -0700 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jib Sheet length? Message-ID: My jib sheet is 60' long. It appeared to be new when I picked up my recycled boat from the GB factory. Just to make sure everyone is on the page, a single line is used for both port and starboard jib sheets. The middle of the line is attached to the clew of the jib with a cow hitch. I've used this sheet with both my prior 175 and my current 130. Sixty feet is a generous length, but I don't mind having the extra, and it sometimes comes in handy when using a whisker pole. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On 2022-08-25, at 19:45:50 EDT, RODNEY BROWN wrote: > > Hello all, 'Ive been doing some reading on the web, and seems there?s a lot of > different opinions on sheet length (shocker I know). Im replacing the 170 and > have a 130 on the way, and will ordering new jib sheets. They ?re as old as > this hills and stiff to boot. > > For those who are running 130?s, do you have a recommendation on length? > > Thanks for the input, > > Rodney > From rweiss at siu.edu Fri Aug 26 10:44:57 2022 From: rweiss at siu.edu (Weiss, Robert L) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 14:44:57 +0000 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jib Sheet length? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I recently replaced my jib sheet and main sheet with a total of 100' of line -- 60' for the jib and 40' for the main. I have a 175 which I do use because of some days with lighter winds on Kentucky Lake. And, as Peter said, the jib sheet is a single line attached to the clew of the jib. Bob Beach Spring Robert L Weiss Jr. Director of Music First United Methodist Carbondale, IL Professor Emeritus, SIUC ________________________________ From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter Nyberg Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 9:35 AM To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jib Sheet length? [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. My jib sheet is 60' long. It appeared to be new when I picked up my recycled boat from the GB factory. Just to make sure everyone is on the page, a single line is used for both port and starboard jib sheets. The middle of the line is attached to the clew of the jib with a cow hitch. I've used this sheet with both my prior 175 and my current 130. Sixty feet is a generous length, but I don't mind having the extra, and it sometimes comes in handy when using a whisker pole. Peter Nyberg Coventry, CT s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > On 2022-08-25, at 19:45:50 EDT, RODNEY BROWN wrote: > > Hello all, 'Ive been doing some reading on the web, and seems there?s a lot of > different opinions on sheet length (shocker I know). Im replacing the 170 and > have a 130 on the way, and will ordering new jib sheets. They ?re as old as > this hills and stiff to boot. > > For those who are running 130?s, do you have a recommendation on length? > > Thanks for the input, > > Rodney > From rnelson204 at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 10:50:49 2022 From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 09:50:49 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Jib Sheet length? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86CA83D5-5A04-4318-A22A-E076BEA8F221@gmail.com> Thanks everyone, appreciate the input? Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 26, 2022, at 09:45, Weiss, Robert L via Rhodes22-list wrote: > > ?I recently replaced my jib sheet and main sheet with a total of 100' of line -- 60' for the jib and 40' for the main. I have a 175 which I do use because of some days with lighter winds on Kentucky Lake. And, as Peter said, the jib sheet is a single line attached to the clew of the jib. > > Bob > Beach Spring > > Robert L Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale, IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > ________________________________ > From: Rhodes22-list on behalf of Peter Nyberg > Sent: Friday, August 26, 2022 9:35 AM > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Jib Sheet length? > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL ALERT]: Verify sender before opening links or attachments. > > My jib sheet is 60' long. It appeared to be new when I picked up my recycled boat from the GB factory. > > Just to make sure everyone is on the page, a single line is used for both port and starboard jib sheets. The middle of the line is attached to the clew of the jib with a cow hitch. > > I've used this sheet with both my prior 175 and my current 130. > > Sixty feet is a generous length, but I don't mind having the extra, and it sometimes comes in handy when using a whisker pole. > > Peter Nyberg > Coventry, CT > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016) > >> On 2022-08-25, at 19:45:50 EDT, RODNEY BROWN wrote: >> >> Hello all, 'Ive been doing some reading on the web, and seems there?s a lot of >> different opinions on sheet length (shocker I know). Im replacing the 170 and >> have a 130 on the way, and will ordering new jib sheets. They ?re as old as >> this hills and stiff to boot. >> >> For those who are running 130?s, do you have a recommendation on length? >> >> Thanks for the input, >> >> Rodney >> > From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Fri Aug 26 13:44:53 2022 From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker) Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 12:44:53 -0500 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Mutiny at Manawa and the Pirates of Zephyr Message-ID: There is an annual pirate themed event at our lake where you have to accomplish a variety of tasks on the water and on land. Part of the fun is getting the crew on other boats wet. I had some friends join me. Most of them were on the foredeck (with jib furled) in attack mode with squirt guns and a bucket. The wind was super light so there was more emphasis on the motor than sailing. We're fortunate to have a great photographer at the club and he captured some nice photos of the Rhodes (see attachment) that I thought you might enjoy. 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Most of > them were on the foredeck (with jib furled) in attack mode with squirt guns > and a bucket. The wind was super light so there was more emphasis on the > motor than sailing. We're fortunate to have a great photographer at the > club and he captured some nice photos of the Rhodes (see attachment) that I > thought you might enjoy. > > Jesse Shumaker > S/V Zephyr > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: PiratesOfZephyr.pdf > Type: application/pdf > Size: 438840 bytes > Desc: not available > URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Weiss Jr. > Director of Music > First United Methodist Carbondale IL > Professor Emeritus, SIUC > > href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220828/bac9d4e4/attachment.jpeg" > target="_blank">Image.jpeg > From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Mon Aug 29 13:55:07 2022 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2022 13:55:07 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the HIN? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <150101d8bbd0$79e3e600$6dabb200$@gmail.com> Thanks all for the replies. I verified yesterday that my HIN is also located under the rub rail--impossible to see from inside the boat. -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Cary Tolbert Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2022 12:39 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the HIN? Michael, my 86 has the VIN on the starboard side just under the rub rail. It is just right of the swim ladder. I am not sure there are any regulations as to the location. Different years may have different locations. It may have been painted over. Look for rivit holes, it may be missing. Best of luck. Cary Claytor Lake VA On Wed, Aug 24, 2022, 12:06 PM Michael McKay wrote: > I?m looking for the HIN on my 2006 R22. I did a cursory review of the > transom but didn?t notice it there. Did I miss it or is it somewhere else? > > Thanks, > > Michael McKay > s/v Liber 2006/2018 > > Sent from my iPhone From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Tue Aug 30 17:29:11 2022 From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2022 17:29:11 -0400 Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Adjusting Mast Rake In-Reply-To: <6bda7044-231c-fd06-5efd-a91d6b30be54@vt.edu> References: <6bda7044-231c-fd06-5efd-a91d6b30be54@vt.edu> Message-ID: <164c01d8bcb7$8bc7e500$a357af00$@gmail.com> Hi Chris, Sorry for the slow reply--I'm going back through the threads on the list and just saw this. I also have a bit of lee helm I'm trying to cure. I recently add a longer adjustable extension to my forestay (https://duckworks.com/racelite-shroud-adjuster/. This is about 3" longer than my original which was already in the last hole. I lengthened my forestay by about 1.5" more and that helped quite a bit but it's still slightly lee helm most of the time. I'm going to try adding another 1" when I next lower the mast. I was also thinking about getting some lead shot bags (like shooters use) to put in the frontmost part of the V-berth. They should fit nicely behind the fiddle and not take up any room. For what it's worth, Stan's owner's manual for the R22 specifies that the extension should be at the top of the forestay, not at the bottom. Keep us posted on what works! Thanks, Mike McKay s/v Liber (2006/2018) Allatoona Lake Acworth, GA -----Original Message----- From: Rhodes22-list On Behalf Of Chris on LBI Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2022 4:54 PM To: The Rhodes 22 Email List Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Adjusting Mast Rake Hey all, I feel like I have chipped away at overcoming the lee helm that my Rhodes has exhibited since we've owned it. Adding weight forward of the mast (I filled the water tank and added a couple of cinder blocks), tightening-up the forestay, and unfurling less genoa have all helped I think. However, I would like to try raking the mast aft a little. When I use the aft-stay tensioners to tighten the forestay as much as possible, I have virtually no rake; that is, the mast is approximately perpendicular to the waterline. So I need to lengthen the forestay in order to lean the mast aft. I'm thinking some sort of extender under the jib furling cup would do the job. 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