From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 20:29:23 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:29:23 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a thread
Message-ID: <7E184FF7-C63C-4A5B-AD11-FE79C7258E6B@gmail.com>

Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive view, I can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rodney 



From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Feb  1 21:45:36 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 18:45:36 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a
	thread
Message-ID: <E1nF5eK-002Z5H-7e@s152.servername.online>

Rodney,

Although you can see the archive of messages in a web page, this is strictly an email list*.  The only way to start new threads or respond to an existing thread is by sending an email to the list.  

Are you getting postings from the list in your email inbox?

--Peter

* This may change in the future, but at its core, it will still be an email list.

> On 2022-02-01, at 20:29:23 EST, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
>
> Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive view, I 
> can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?  Any help 
> would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Rodney
> 
> 
> 


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  1 21:52:44 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 20:52:44 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a
	thread
In-Reply-To: <E1nF5eK-002Z5H-7e@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nF5eK-002Z5H-7e@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <4DD7FE8D-73AC-4E5F-9870-B4F141AC7534@gmail.com>

Gotcha!  I am getting the email notices. 
I was unsure, on exactly how to do this. In particular I was going to reply to a thread where the original poster had replaced his flooring and done a remodel.

So if I understand correctly I would simply post to the list and reference the original posting?

Sorry if I?m I?ve complicating this, and that?s for taking the time and help.




Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 1, 2022, at 20:45, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Rodney,
> 
> Although you can see the archive of messages in a web page, this is strictly an email list*.  The only way to start new threads or respond to an existing thread is by sending an email to the list.  
> 
> Are you getting postings from the list in your email inbox?
> 
> --Peter
> 
> * This may change in the future, but at its core, it will still be an email list.
> 
>> On 2022-02-01, at 20:29:23 EST, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
>> 
>> Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive view, I 
>> can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?  Any help 
>> would be greatly appreciated. 
>> 
>> Rodney
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Feb  1 22:01:38 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 19:01:38 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a
	thread
Message-ID: <E1nF5tq-003oxp-12@s152.servername.online>

If you want to reply to a message from the list, just view it in your email client application, and click the reply button.  Just the same as replying to an email from your uncle Bob (or whoever).

--Peter

> On 2022-02-01, at 21:52:44 EST, Rodney Brown wrote:
>
> Gotcha!  I am getting the email notices.
> I was unsure, on exactly how to do this. In particular I was going to reply to a 
> thread where the original poster had replaced his flooring and done a remodel. 
> 
> So if I understand correctly I would simply post to the list and reference the 
> original posting? 
> 
> Sorry if I?m I?ve complicating this, and that?s for taking the time and help.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 


From mike at traildesign.com  Tue Feb  1 22:43:54 2022
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 21:43:54 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Safe harbor for truck & trailer
Message-ID: <CAAY+qo-+56yt8s5F-TyzgZsy+Y-dedc5v8QHb3vKy0snjQhnYA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi esteemed forum folks. The captain and I are starting to plan a trip back
down  to FL for another sailing adventure. Our plan this time is to trailer
down to the Ft Myers/ Cape Coral area, put in and sail to several spots in
that general area over the course of a week or so in April. The dilemma and
thing I need help with is to see if anyone has any experience with secure
places that would allow us to launch and then leave the truck and trailer.

I welcome all advice and input. Ideally I would like to keep the truck and
trailer at or very near the launch site.

Thanks in advance!

Mike
-- 
Michael Riter
President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
mike at traildesign.com
678-410-8021

From joedempsey at hughes.net  Wed Feb  2 10:17:20 2022
From: joedempsey at hughes.net (JP)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 10:17:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4412, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1630.1643769939.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <emf42jb408bdeq0j64hr8vb2.1643815040340@hughes.net>

I have been having the same issue. Ha ing to copy the list address, rhodes-22 at rhodes22.org, then go to my email and paste the address seems to be the only way I can post. Replying (from the Archive list) doesn't seem to get posted.

Joe Dempsey
S/V Respite
Marshall,  VA
Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device

? Original Message ?
From: rhodes22-list-request at rhodes22.org
Sent: February 1, 2022 9:45 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4412, Issue 1

Send Rhodes22-list mailing list submissions to
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of Rhodes22-list digest..."


Today's Topics:

?? 1. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (stan)
?? 2. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (Bob Garrant)
?? 3. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (RODNEY BROWN)
?? 4. Re: Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner (Mark West)
?? 5. Re: Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner (Jesse Shumaker)
?? 6. Re: Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner (Brian Ferguson)
?? 7. 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Jeff Smith Photo)
?? 8. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
?? 9. Re: Bilge Pump Questions (chuy carreon)
? 10. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (stan)
? 11. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (Rodney Brown)
? 12. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Michael McKay)
? 13. 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Jeff Smith Photo)
? 14. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (ROGER PIHLAJA)
? 15. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
? 16. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (ROGER PIHLAJA)
? 17. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
? 18. Whisker Pole (Jeff Smith Photo)
? 19. Re: Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
? 20. Remote Control & Receiver available (Bob Garrant)
? 21. Re: Tiller Pilot Recommendations (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
? 22. Re: Tiller Pilot Recommendations (Peter Nyberg)
? 23. Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a thread (RODNEY BROWN)
? 24. Re: Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a	thread
????? (Peter Nyberg)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:53:36 -0500
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
sale
Message-ID: <8de80cc0-d089-5ada-1b2a-bf5b89401814 at generalboats.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Rodney,

This is Stan, builder of your boat.? Charles has been kind enough to 
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do 
so.? I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my 
first try since its repair; hope it's working.

While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner 
is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers 
your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours 
are best directed to me.? The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we 
come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have 
owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, 
not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.

Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the 
technicalities re this upgrading.

stan


On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 20:21:20 -0500
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
sale
Message-ID:
<CAPi3tBAGGVo_N=anLpEEGR2NfMZL5dSFJ_1SmMgn2yN4SZkhHQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Stan,
I would like to get the tiller/motor connector for my Rhodes 2000 that I
purchased from General Boats in 2017.
I previously purchased General Boats parts through Charles and the
transaction went very smoothly.
Regards,
Bob Garrant
Kent Island, MD

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:53 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Rodney,
>
> This is Stan, builder of your boat.? Charles has been kind enough to
> handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
> so.? I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my
> first try since its repair; hope it's working.
>
> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
> is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers
> your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours
> are best directed to me.? The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we
> come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have
> owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you,
> not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.
>
> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
> technicalities re this upgrading.
>
> stan
>
>
> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> > Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
> wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rodney.
>
>

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:53:11 -0600
From: RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
sale
Message-ID: <851D5CB3-3CC7-4EA5-9FC5-732F005171DD at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?? Thanks again for your help, and for taking time to? get back to me. Seems your computer bugs seemed to be ironed out.

Sincerely,

Rodney Brown 



> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> Rodney,
> 
> This is Stan, builder of your boat.? Charles has been kind enough to handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do so.? I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first try since its repair; hope it's working.
> 
> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best directed to me.? The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.
> 
> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the technicalities re this upgrading.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rodney.
> 



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 14:38:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID: <501660946.1340413.1643207922407 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Rodney Welcome to the Rhodes Family lots of knowledge ,Experience here to help?
Mark and Connie Wesr? ?Hertford NC.?
S/V Fairwinds II? ? 89 Rhodes 22

-----Original Message-----
From: R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2022 6:09 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner

Hello from OKC :)? I purchased a 2001 Rhodes? a couple of weeks ago and had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to join?? 

Thanks, 

Rodney 

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 08:46:02 -0600
From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID:
<CAMc-3fqoGFXrz5K-7fvwtcJyT70BS8YFs1nGh9WpeKfcxugHTQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Welcome Rodney!? There's a few other R22s in the midwest including one in
Kansas and a couple where I sail at Lake Manawa in Iowa.

Where do you sail in OKC?

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr


On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello from OKC :)? I purchased a 2001 Rhodes? a couple of weeks ago and
> had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to
> join?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:49:38 -0500
From: Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID:
<CAPD+wLE+9zH7r_yJnyGEQD1R4cHqJF9_rw9576tuduRuA+RCPg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Rodney,
Welcome to the best owners club out there. I used to live in Lawton. I
figure you sail Lake Hefner. You might try sailing Lake Ellsworth for a
slightly different experience. The mountain down there plays with the wind
direction a little making for a fun challenge..

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 9:46 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Welcome Rodney!? There's a few other R22s in the midwest including one in
> Kansas and a couple where I sail at Lake Manawa in Iowa.
>
> Where do you sail in OKC?
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello from OKC :)? I purchased a 2001 Rhodes? a couple of weeks ago and
> > had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to
> > join?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rodney
>

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:54:15 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID:
<CAM0HAmnx9XrnQSyXMTnxPWbiXSKE=iF059LNfhAsZvdZSqApdg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
stored upright in front of the mast.? I fiberglassed a carabiner in one end
and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
clips on to a bale on the mast.
<https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to prevent
rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
match the color scheme of Radiant.
https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole

Best regards,
Jeff Smith

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:08:43 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <0C7ED6DD-1B20-4A92-9786-F9A1958DDED7 at tds.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Very impressive Jeff, but nice and simple too. Can you explain or send a photo of the bale set up?
Also, I am planning on setting up a simple jibe preventer for my downwind journeys. Details of other systems gratefully received.
Graham
'sv 00Sailin? 


> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:54, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
> stored upright in front of the mast.? I fiberglassed a carabiner in one end
> and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
> pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
> clips on to a bale on the mast.
> <https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
> To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
> that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
> the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to prevent
> rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
> match the color scheme of Radiant.
> https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff Smith



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:28:31 -0500 (EST)
From: chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Peter
Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
Message-ID: <1282330450.3358047.1643214511558 at myemail.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Peter,
Like all the videos on your fixing projects on Silverheels. I will have to locate the on the flooring.

Take care,
Chuy Carreon
Tempe, Arizona

> On January 24, 2022 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>???? I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post. I can think of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster. His example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only in the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is as least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
> 
>???? One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7: https://youtu.be/VywOqYXqzYg) was to replace the plywood and carpet floor installed by General Boat with oak flooring. This was high on my to-do list because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the bilge is easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks), it's a quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
> 
>???? Peter Nyberg
>???? Coventry, CT
>???? s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>???????? > > On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> > 
> >???? > 
>???????? > > ...
> >???????? If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the inflow of
> >???????? water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump. It?s really just an insurance
> >???????? policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not there.
> > 
> >???? > 

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 20:37:16 -0500
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
sale
Message-ID: <a9991296-74ff-56d2-d11b-c321998e3809 at generalboats.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed


Rodney and Crew,

Before I forget here is Charles direct contact info:

??? Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>

The info on your two initial items of interest is a mixed bag. The new 
traveler invention is one of those middle of the night inspirations that 
it turned out we can build all of, in-house. When we discovered that 
Yamaha had finally discovered sailboats and built a motor perfect for 
our needs (standard 20 inch long shaft, high thrust meaning low RPM 
motor sporting a larger 4 bladed sailboat pitch prop) along with both 
its speed and direction controls in a single fitting that mounts on the 
sailboat's tiller, we were in heaven.? We knew that coming up with a 
linkage system from the Rhodes rudder head to that motor is what we do 
in our sleep and we are going to have an outboard auxiliary set up like 
no other. And we did; and owners loved it.?? But
?? ??? ???? to be continued? . . . .

ss


On 1/25/22 8:53 PM, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
> Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?? Thanks again for your help, and for taking time to? get back to me. Seems your computer bugs seemed to be ironed out.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rodney Brown
>
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rodney,
>>
>> This is Stan, builder of your boat.? Charles has been kind enough to handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do so.? I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first try since its repair; hope it's working.
>>
>> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best directed to me.? The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.
>>
>> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the technicalities re this upgrading.
>>
>> stan
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
>>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rodney.
> .



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 19:38:39 -0600
From: Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
sale
Message-ID:
<CA+k9M44XWC6XN9rff54+PyZGov9t8+-vPPi69k+q+knMGSB=ig at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Stan!? Appreciate you sending this ?

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 19:37 stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Rodney and Crew,
>
> Before I forget here is Charles direct contact info:
>
>????? Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>
> The info on your two initial items of interest is a mixed bag. The new
> traveler invention is one of those middle of the night inspirations that
> it turned out we can build all of, in-house. When we discovered that
> Yamaha had finally discovered sailboats and built a motor perfect for
> our needs (standard 20 inch long shaft, high thrust meaning low RPM
> motor sporting a larger 4 bladed sailboat pitch prop) along with both
> its speed and direction controls in a single fitting that mounts on the
> sailboat's tiller, we were in heaven.? We knew that coming up with a
> linkage system from the Rhodes rudder head to that motor is what we do
> in our sleep and we are going to have an outboard auxiliary set up like
> no other. And we did; and owners loved it.?? But
>????????????? to be continued? . . . .
>
> ss
>
>
> On 1/25/22 8:53 PM, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
> > Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on
> the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?? Thanks again for your
> help, and for taking time to? get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
> seemed to be ironed out.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Rodney Brown
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rodney,
> >>
> >> This is Stan, builder of your boat.? Charles has been kind enough to
> handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
> so.? I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first
> try since its repair; hope it's working.
> >>
> >> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
> is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your
> questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best
> directed to me.? The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with
> a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with
> what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
> into how your year boat is built.
> >>
> >> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
> technicalities re this upgrading.
> >>
> >> stan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> >>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
> wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Rodney.
> > .
>
>

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 23:06:03 -0500
From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Jeff, 

Thanks for sharing this.? I have been hoping to add a whisker pole to my boat.? 

Question: did you rig guys to control the position of the pole or do you just use the jib sheets?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
> stored upright in front of the mast.? I fiberglassed a carabiner in one end
> and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
> pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
> clips on to a bale on the mast.
> <https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
> To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
> that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
> the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to prevent
> rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
> match the color scheme of Radiant.
> https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff Smith


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:01:59 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/
I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.? it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.? Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
Cell: 732-236-1368
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:41:09 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi All,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.? Both poles are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.? In light air, the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.? You need the topping lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.? Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.? You need the vang to hold the clew of the headsail down.

Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.? This enables an end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size boat, especially in heavy air.

When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted on the cabin roof and foredeck.? This keeps the windage and weight down low and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.? At a dock or at anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.? This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up there.? I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with Velcro straps to secure them for storage.? It?s a racing setup; but, it works very well for cruising.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Jeff Smith Photo<mailto:jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:02 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffsmithphoto.net%2FBoats%2FWhisker-Boat-Pole%2Fn-WnpmmF%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C449f7f4f10cd4823067008d9e1a6003b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637788925365228609%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=Vibs8hBDBLqcchyh%2B6HNO6jGefDNKc6WDQv4LFjTUWs%3D&amp;reserved=0
I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.? it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.? Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnjphoto.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C449f7f4f10cd4823067008d9e1a6003b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637788925365228609%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=nqdYNzNyOu4gNKu50fGEfgkDkyaDZIcjQWQ7WBz%2BMak%3D&amp;reserved=0>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:53:03 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <FA59A3D9-A020-48BF-BFAB-530CB56C7A40 at tds.net>
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Thanks Jeff,
A photo (or in this case, photos) is worth a thousand words.
I still have a question though. 
Why am I seeing two bulbous coverings of blue tape when I only see one bulbous spot on the origin pole. Is that just for storage against the mast?
Stan, if your computer is working, I would love to see your thoughts on the use of a whisker pole when wing on wing and also your thoughts on using a jibe preventer?
Any thoughts from other Rhodies obviously welcome too!
G

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 10:01, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/
> I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.? it should give an
> idea of the 2 bales.? Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
> have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
> shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
> top of the jib.
> I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
> post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
> Cell: 732-236-1368
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:55:15 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi All,

The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium flying her triradial spinnaker on a light air close reach.? You can see the topping lift attached to the double bridle on the spinnaker pole and led to a block on the mast at about ? mast height.? From there, the topping lift is led down the mast and back to the cockpit.? The vang is not rigged in this light air shot.? The spinnaker pole is almost touching the forestay on this close reach.

Note how the sail is fully inflated despite the lack of wind.

You can also see the spinnaker snuffer sock all bunched up at the head of the spinnaker.? I think the whisker pole was stowed down below in the cabin in this shot.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:41 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

Hi All,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.? Both poles are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.? In light air, the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.? You need the topping lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.? Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.? You need the vang to hold the clew of the headsail down.

Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.? This enables an end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size boat, especially in heavy air.

When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted on the cabin roof and foredeck.? This keeps the windage and weight down low and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.? At a dock or at anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.? This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up there.? I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with Velcro straps to secure them for storage.? It?s a racing setup; but, it works very well for cruising.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Jeff Smith Photo<mailto:jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:02 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffsmithphoto.net%2FBoats%2FWhisker-Boat-Pole%2Fn-WnpmmF%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc8f1b0f4ab7b4ef4cb2f08d9e1b3d411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637788984747997313%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=up5vNCAyZrqzr7STNcszYgxOp%2BQIt4uNfxAag%2FC0DLA%3D&amp;reserved=0
I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.? it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.? Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnjphoto.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc8f1b0f4ab7b4ef4cb2f08d9e1b3d411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637788984747997313%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qvs1LbUGkq6IKKOJPmXlgKmr1hzfDzCi2wKbbpRcKxk%3D&amp;reserved=0>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:00:10 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi Roger,.
That sounds like a great set up although I am too nervous a sailor to consider a spinnaker. However I really would like to figure a way to use a vang and/or preventer for the main on downwind runs. Any ideas or photos anyone?
Graham
'sv 00Sailin' 

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 11:55, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium flying her triradial spinnaker on a light air close reach.? You can see the topping lift attached to the double bridle on the spinnaker pole and led to a block on the mast at about ? mast height.? From there, the topping lift is led down the mast and back to the cockpit.? The vang is not rigged in this light air shot.? The spinnaker pole is almost touching the forestay on this close reach.
> 
> Note how the sail is fully inflated despite the lack of wind.
> 
> You can also see the spinnaker snuffer sock all bunched up at the head of the spinnaker.? I think the whisker pole was stowed down below in the cabin in this shot.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D81374.5EDD86E0]
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:41 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.? Both poles are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.? In light air, the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.? You need the topping lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.? Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.? You need the vang to hold the clew of the headsail down.
> 
> Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.? This enables an end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size boat, especially in heavy air.
> 
> When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted on the cabin roof and foredeck.? This keeps the windage and weight down low and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.? At a dock or at anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.? This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up there.? I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with Velcro straps to secure them for storage.? It?s a racing setup; but, it works very well for cruising.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc8f1b0f4ab7b4ef4cb2f08d9e1b3d411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637788984747997313%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=JSiqvCqQrKulg8ksj4bAKQJmjfTs%2FLRt7j81lh4eQ80%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
> 
> From: Jeff Smith Photo<mailto:jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:02 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
> 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffsmithphoto.net%2FBoats%2FWhisker-Boat-Pole%2Fn-WnpmmF%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc8f1b0f4ab7b4ef4cb2f08d9e1b3d411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637788984747997313%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=up5vNCAyZrqzr7STNcszYgxOp%2BQIt4uNfxAag%2FC0DLA%3D&amp;reserved=0
> I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.? it should give an
> idea of the 2 bales.? Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
> have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
> shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
> top of the jib.
> I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
> post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> w <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnjphoto.net%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc8f1b0f4ab7b4ef4cb2f08d9e1b3d411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637788984747997313%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qvs1LbUGkq6IKKOJPmXlgKmr1hzfDzCi2wKbbpRcKxk%3D&amp;reserved=0>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 07:52:55 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
noodles) was added to further stop rattling.? They may also keep the pole
from sinking should it go overboard.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:28:27 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
> noodles) was added to further stop rattling.? They may also keep the pole
> from sinking should it go overboard.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368



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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:34:34 -0500
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Remote Control & Receiver available
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I have a remote control & receiver available if someone needs it.
I purchased to replace the remote control for the electric motor lift that
came with Rhodes. The existing one was not reliable.
I then decided to have up-down switches installed next to the outboard
since I wanted to be next to the outboard as I was raising or lowering the
motor.
The package includes a remote fob, a received and instructions for
installation and troubleshooting.
See the attached picture.

Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 16:36:49 -0500
From: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Hi Roger,

I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping to get some additional advice before I start.? 

1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard coaming pocket?
2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that and connect it to the house battery directly?? I do understand that an inline fuse is required in either case.

I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the Tiller Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.

Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!

Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 9:13 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike,

I?ve had a Raymarine ST1000+ Tiller Pilot on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium for about 15 years.? I found it most convenient to use the Raymarine Pedestal Socket to mount the ST1000+ onto the top of the gunnel.? I believe I used the shortest socket assembly 38 mm (P/N: D026) to adjust the vertical position to level out the ST1000+ relative to the tiller.? But, you should measure your boat before ordering this part.? If the ST1000+ is not level relative to the tiller; then, the geometry changes as the actuator strokes and the effective gain of the controller will not be constant.? Variable controller gain is not conducive to holding a steady course.? You will also need some pushrod extensions.? I believe I used the 152 mm (P/N: D008) + the 25 mm (P/N: D003) pushrod extensions.? But, again, you should measure your boat before ordering these parts.? On the tiller, I used the standard tiller pin, epoxied in place.? Be careful to get compound angle of the pin correct on the tiller when yo
u drill the hole.? Remember you only get one chance to drill this hole correctly.? If you screw it up; then, the tiller is ruined!? You want the pin to be vertical with the tiller fully lowered and located 460 mm from the centerline of the rudder?s pintles.? The Pedestal Socket comes with a big backing plate to facilitate thru bolting.? I did not reinforce the gunnel and have had no issues with structural failure.? I mounted the waterproof plug and socket on the side of the cockpit coaming aft of the ST1000, so it would not obstruct seating while the ST1000+ is in use.

If you only want to use your ST1000+ as a basic autopilot with no communication to other instruments via the Seatalk bus or NMEA 0183 bus; then, all you need to provide is 12 amps DC power.? The circuit should be separately fused.? If you want to use the hand held remote &/or communicate with other instruments; then, contact me off the list and I will try to assist.

Basically, it?s a pretty easy installation although there are a few potential booby traps.? The supplied owner?s handbook is pretty good.? If you take your time, follow the instructions, and measure twice/cut once; then, you?ll be fine.? It?s a very useful accessory and I really like mine.? It?s been totally bulletproof.

My ST1000+ does best on points of sail forward of the beam, ie beam reaching up to close hauled.? On points of sail aft of the beam, ie broad reach to a run, there is usually a following sea.? When that following sea is hitting the boat from a stern quarter, it requires the helmsman to anticipate the effect of a wave by counter steering as the wave is passing under the boat.? The ST1000+ (Or any autopilot) has no way to anticipate anything.? So, it?s always in reactive mode and the steered course can look a little wobbly.? It helps to reduce sail area and distribute the sail area fore/aft to keep the helm balanced.? Of course, these are conditions that require the most skill and attention from a human helmsman as well.? The ST1000+ is not as good at maintaining a downwind course as a skilled helmsman who is paying attention.? But, it?s better than a newby helmsman or a tired &/or inattentive helmsman.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Ric,

I'm afraid to ask what you do that you could not do without it. ;-)

I love mine, too.? And to think that I used to use a "tiller jock" to lock the tiller in place when I single handed with my two year old. With the autopilot, we could have both been sailing from the bow with our feet in the water using the remote to steer!

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Love love love my Raymarine autotiller.
Could not do what I do without it.
Ric
sv Dadventure

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> ?I have the Raymarine ST1000.? Actually, I depend on it so heavily, that I have two.? I have had one stop working.? I sent it back to Raymarine and they fixed it a no cost.
>
> Attached is a document created by Bill Wickman about his installation of the ST1000.? I followed this pretty closely.? However, at the point where the tiller pilot attaches to the cockpit combing, he said he found the fiberglass to be thick, and needed no reinforcement.? I found the fiberglass to be quite thin at the point, and epoxied in a block of 3/4? thick hardwood.
>
> I have no experience with the Simrad.
>
> Good luck with your project.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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>> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:13 PM, MichaelM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm hoping to install a Raymarine or Simrad tiller pilot in my boat.
>>
>> Can you share your experience with either unit and what challenges if
>> any did you encountered during the installation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 14:59:25 -0800
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
Message-ID: <E1nEfdt-00Bvnu-HL at s152.servername.online>
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Mike, 

I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.

First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of a Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat: http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/TillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf

To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.? Since that placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.? It seems to me that would be redundant.

As for the routing of wires...? If you have the standard General Boat galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the counter-top and behind the sliding panels.? If you drill a hole in the aft panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the starboard coaming.? Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not drilling a hole into the cockpit.

Best of luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
> 
> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping to 
> get some additional advice before I start. 
> 
> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard coaming 
> pocket? 
> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that and 
> connect it to the house battery directly?? I do understand that an inline fuse 
> is required in either case. 
> 
> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the Tiller 
> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day. 
> 
> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:29:23 -0600
From: RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a
thread
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Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive view, I can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Rodney 




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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 18:45:36 -0800
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to
a	thread
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Rodney,

Although you can see the archive of messages in a web page, this is strictly an email list*.? The only way to start new threads or respond to an existing thread is by sending an email to the list.? 

Are you getting postings from the list in your email inbox?

--Peter

* This may change in the future, but at its core, it will still be an email list.

> On 2022-02-01, at 20:29:23 EST, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
>
> Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive view, I 
> can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?? Any help 
> would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Rodney
> 
> 
> 



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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 14:01:54 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 14:01:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <E1nEfdt-00Bvnu-HL@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nEfdt-00Bvnu-HL@s152.servername.online>
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Hi Peter,

I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller Pilot installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present.  

Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to make sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard coaming pocket.  I will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these will be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish tape or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel connection to that hole.  Is that how you did it?

I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to reinforce the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not the case, I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is that what you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?

Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have shared with our community.


Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike, 

I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.

First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of a Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat: http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/TillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf

To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.  It seems to me that would be redundant.

As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not drilling a hole into the cockpit.

Best of luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
> 
> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping to 
> get some additional advice before I start. 
> 
> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard coaming 
> pocket? 
> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that and 
> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an inline fuse 
> is required in either case. 
> 
> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the Tiller 
> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day. 
> 
> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 



From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 14:30:31 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 13:30:31 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <019e01d81867$58ba6ba0$0a2f42e0$@gmail.com>
References: <E1nEfdt-00Bvnu-HL@s152.servername.online>
 <019e01d81867$58ba6ba0$0a2f42e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3foPMqmXfvJrC13zZ3uVqaXE8x+ZSiEdJmFUUff91WKQww@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike, I know your question was directed at Peter, but I'm sending a bit
of unsolicited feedback anyway :)

I think you're asking about accessing the back of the side of the gunnel in
case you want to reinforce that.  My boat already had the tiller mount
installed when I bought it so I didn't have to install that.  I can't
recall for sure, but I don't think my boat had reinforcement in the tiller
pilot mount on the gunnel.  I can't recall how far forward the mount is,
but you can get to the underside of the aft portion of the gunnel from
within the lazarette.  I've found that I can fold myself into the lazarette
to work on things, though it is a bit of a tight fit.

If the mount on the gunnel is forward of the lazarette, you can get to the
area under the gunnel by laying down in the cockpit and shuffling
underneath the cockpit benches towards the hull.  There's an open area
between the backrests and the hull.  I recently installed shelves under the
gunnel with an access port on top as part of my off-season projects so I
spent some time around that part of the boat.  I'll provide some details on
the under-gunnel shelves when I put together a recap of my off season
projects in a month or two.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 1:01 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller
> Pilot installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the
> lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present.
>
> Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to
> make sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to
> install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard coaming
> pocket.  I will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these will
> be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish tape
> or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel connection
> to that hole.  Is that how you did it?
>
> I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to
> reinforce the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not
> the case, I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is
> that what you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?
>
> Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have
> shared with our community.
>
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
>
> Mike,
>
> I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.
>
> First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of
> a Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
> http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/TillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf
>
> To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
> electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
> placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.
> It seems to me that would be redundant.
>
> As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
> galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
> counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft
> panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the
> starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
> drilling a hole into the cockpit.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
> >
> > Hi Roger,
> >
> > I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am
> hoping to
> > get some additional advice before I start.
> >
> > 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
> coaming
> > pocket?
> > 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass
> that and
> > connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an
> inline fuse
> > is required in either case.
> >
> > I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
> Tiller
> > Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.
> >
> > Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
> >
> > Mike McKay
> > s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> > Allatoona Lake
> > Acworth, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 14:40:17 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 14:40:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Safe harbor for truck & trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAAY+qo-+56yt8s5F-TyzgZsy+Y-dedc5v8QHb3vKy0snjQhnYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-+56yt8s5F-TyzgZsy+Y-dedc5v8QHb3vKy0snjQhnYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36Z-VSKrvpgmfYfBZeBLiho-d5r1agn9TLc6MWZs6idiTg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Mike,

There's a couple possibilities in LaBelle along the Caloosahatchee if you
like river sailing.  Hendry County Boat Dock on the north bank and Port
LaBelle Marina on the south.

To launch onto the beautiful Gasparillo Sound and Charlotte Harbor with the
Peace River to boot, use the Ponce de Leon Boat Ramp in Punta Gorda.
Luxury accommodation and absolute security can be found using the Burnt
Store Marina ramp.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 10:44 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:

> Hi esteemed forum folks. The captain and I are starting to plan a trip back
> down  to FL for another sailing adventure. Our plan this time is to trailer
> down to the Ft Myers/ Cape Coral area, put in and sail to several spots in
> that general area over the course of a week or so in April. The dilemma and
> thing I need help with is to see if anyone has any experience with secure
> places that would allow us to launch and then leave the truck and trailer.
>
> I welcome all advice and input. Ideally I would like to keep the truck and
> trailer at or very near the launch site.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Mike
> --
> Michael Riter
> President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> mike at traildesign.com
> 678-410-8021
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 15:17:31 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 14:17:31 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmkiyGwg415k8cdaQR20G8q82DAQjNVoQnxS7JO4+93n6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmkiyGwg415k8cdaQR20G8q82DAQjNVoQnxS7JO4+93n6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpTb5qcpWa1=tgpuZo5GHq_wZZiPy0i=pCVTE5BLhdihQ@mail.gmail.com>

Jeff, nice work on the pole setup.  That is a nice and affordable DIY
solution.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr


On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 6:53 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
> noodles) was added to further stop rattling.  They may also keep the pole
> from sinking should it go overboard.
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Wed Feb  2 16:43:53 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 21:43:53 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <019e01d81867$58ba6ba0$0a2f42e0$@gmail.com>
References: <E1nEfdt-00Bvnu-HL@s152.servername.online>
 <019e01d81867$58ba6ba0$0a2f42e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920FC4F4B8386E5BC5E1AC980279@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Mike,

In my previous post, I gave Raymarine Tillerpilot P/N?s.  These pieces/parts assumed the gunnel end of the Tillerpilot would be mounted on the top of the gunnel on the starboard side.  The pedestal mount is thru bolted thru the top of the gunnel using 4 SS fender washers as backing plates.  This type of mount will load the gunnel in shear.  The 4 fender washers will provide more than enough shear strength for this application.

Far more critical is the installation of the pin in the tiller.  It needs to be precisely mounted in terms of the distance from the center of rudder rotation and the angle of the pin in the tiller.  The pin needs to be vertical when the tiller is all the way down.

I considered mounting the socket for the Tillerpilot in the starboard coaming compartment.  But, I decided against it because the cable would be in the way in between the Tillerpilot and the coaming compartment.  That?s very valuable sitting real estate in the cockpit.  Instead, I mounted the Tillerpilot socket thru the side of the starboard gunnel aft of the Tillerpilot.  This puts the cable out of the way of the mainsheet and traveler controls and it isn?t in danger of someone sitting on it.

Have you ever crawled under the cockpit seats?  On my boat, there is an epoxy coated strip of wood covering the hull/deck joint.  Cables can be anchored to this strip of wood with cable ties & anchors.  As far as the installation of the Tillerpilot socket, the underside of the gunnel can be accessed from the lazarette compartment.  Assuming the lazarette compartment is cleaned out, I can get my whole body in there and I?m a pretty big guy and not very flexible anymore.

You will need to use a fish tape or an unbent wire clothes hanger to fish the wire from the cockpit bulkhead to the circuit breaker box.  It?s only a couple of feet, so this is a pretty easy fishing job.  The Tillerpilot should be on it?s own separately fused circuit.

Other than that, refer to my previous post.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 11:02 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Hi Peter,

I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller Pilot installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present.

Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to make sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard coaming pocket.  I will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these will be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish tape or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel connection to that hole.  Is that how you did it?

I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to reinforce the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not the case, I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is that what you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?

Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have shared with our community.


Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike,

I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.

First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of a Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat: https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fdocument.html%3Fdocuments%2FTillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C46b1c3e18c8d4716342608d9e67e7d8d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637794253233449617%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=qHOiiYudmChIw13nZzsvDBcaTFJ8DxOZWGu0TMF2joA%3D&amp;reserved=0

To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.  It seems to me that would be redundant.

As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not drilling a hole into the cockpit.

Best of luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping to
> get some additional advice before I start.
>
> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard coaming
> pocket?
> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that and
> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an inline fuse
> is required in either case.
>
> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the Tiller
> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.
>
> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
>



From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Feb  2 16:54:02 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 13:54:02 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
Message-ID: <E1nFNZi-009Rji-Sw@s152.servername.online>

Mike,

My tiller pilot connection socket is also in the starboard coaming pocket, and that has worked out well as it is well protected there.  I often don't bother to put the cover flap in place after disconnecting, and that has never caused an issue.

I'm curious about the need for a 12 volt socket there as well.  I have one of these in the cabin, but never use it.  Everything is either hard-wired or uses a USB plug for power. I'm up to 8 USB outlets in the cabin.

I don't have a clear recollection of the wiring process, but I'm sure I use a fish tape.

I find it pretty easy to get into and work in the lazarette.  To fasten the wood block reinforcement to the underside of the gunnel, I used a quick setting epoxy syringe from Home Depot, lay on my back in the lazarette, and just held the block in place over my head for 5 minutes.  This did fail on me once, so the technique could probably be improved on.

--Peter

> On 2022-02-02, at 14:01:54 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller Pilot 
> installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the lazarette, so the 
> pathway into the coaming is already present. 
> 
> Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to make 
> sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to install 
> the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard coaming pocket.  I 
> will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these will be relatively 
> small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish tape or something like 
> that to get the wiring from the electric panel connection to that hole.  Is that 
> how you did it? 
> 
> I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to reinforce the 
> Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not the case, I 
> believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is that what you did 
> to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels? 
> 
> Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have shared 
> with our community. 
> 
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Feb  2 17:11:51 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 14:11:51 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to Post a Reply
Message-ID: <E1nFNqx-00Aj46-Nk@s152.servername.online>

Joe,

For the time being, the only way (that I am aware of) to post a message or reply to a message is by using an email client application.  I don't see a way to even attempt to send a reply to the list from the Archive web page.

--Peter

> On 2022-02-02, at 10:17:20 EST, JP wrote:
>
> I have been having the same issue. Ha ing to copy the list address, <a 
> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes-22 at 
> rhodes22.org</a>, then go to my email and paste the address seems to be the only 
> way I can post. Replying (from the Archive list) doesn't seem to get posted. 
> 
> Joe Dempsey
> S/V Respite
> Marshall,  VA
> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 17:15:30 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 16:15:30 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to Post a Reply
In-Reply-To: <E1nFNqx-00Aj46-Nk@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nFNqx-00Aj46-Nk@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <6CECC517-DD68-4900-B3AE-443D8994EF23@gmail.com>

Peter,  pardon my ignorance (I?m a functioning dolt when it comes to IT) but what is an ?email client??  I have Apple computers and use their default email app. 
Is there something I can, or need, to install or a different tool I should get.  
Tha MSL for your help and patience ?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 2, 2022, at 16:11, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Joe,
> 
> For the time being, the only way (that I am aware of) to post a message or reply to a message is by using an email client application.  I don't see a way to even attempt to send a reply to the list from the Archive web page.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2022-02-02, at 10:17:20 EST, JP wrote:
>> 
>> I have been having the same issue. Ha ing to copy the list address, <a 
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/mailman/listinfo/rhodes22-list">rhodes-22 at 
>> rhodes22.org</a>, then go to my email and paste the address seems to be the only 
>> way I can post. Replying (from the Archive list) doesn't seem to get posted. 
>> 
>> Joe Dempsey
>> S/V Respite
>> Marshall,  VA
>> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Feb  2 17:24:24 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 17:24:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to Post a Reply
In-Reply-To: <6CECC517-DD68-4900-B3AE-443D8994EF23@gmail.com>
References: <E1nFNqx-00Aj46-Nk@s152.servername.online>
 <6CECC517-DD68-4900-B3AE-443D8994EF23@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57173B24-A447-45C4-8C4A-9B6B8C74C6A6@sunnybeeches.com>

Rodney,

I?m an Apple guy myself.  That default email app on your Apple devices is an email client.  It works in conjunction with an email server to send and receive email messages.  You don?t need anything else.

?Peter


> On Feb 2, 2022, at 5:15 PM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Peter,  pardon my ignorance (I?m a functioning dolt when it comes to IT) but what is an ?email client??  I have Apple computers and use their default email app. 
> Is there something I can, or need, to install or a different tool I should get.  
> Tha MSL for your help and patience ?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Wed Feb  2 19:03:02 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 18:03:02 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to Post a Reply
In-Reply-To: <57173B24-A447-45C4-8C4A-9B6B8C74C6A6@sunnybeeches.com>
References: <57173B24-A447-45C4-8C4A-9B6B8C74C6A6@sunnybeeches.com>
Message-ID: <B5559EF9-08CA-48F7-A185-AD544B0C64A1@gmail.com>

Peter, I think I?ve figured this out?After I signed up a couple of weeks ago up I started getting the email?s and can reply to them.

Those emails on the archive were posted to the group before I joined, I?m guessing I can?t reply to those per se.  Is this correct?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 2, 2022, at 16:24, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Rodney,
> 
> I?m an Apple guy myself.  That default email app on your Apple devices is an email client.  It works in conjunction with an email server to send and receive email messages.  You don?t need anything else.
> 
> ?Peter
> 
> 
>> On Feb 2, 2022, at 5:15 PM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Peter,  pardon my ignorance (I?m a functioning dolt when it comes to IT) but what is an ?email client??  I have Apple computers and use their default email app. 
>> Is there something I can, or need, to install or a different tool I should get.  
>> Tha MSL for your help and patience ?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
> 

From mike at traildesign.com  Wed Feb  2 19:49:52 2022
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2022 18:49:52 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Safe harbor for truck & trailer
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36Z-VSKrvpgmfYfBZeBLiho-d5r1agn9TLc6MWZs6idiTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAY+qo-+56yt8s5F-TyzgZsy+Y-dedc5v8QHb3vKy0snjQhnYA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAY+qo8HgBMAv7LgucfUFyxUAQPY85F1YPjvXrCBuYhhuwNdNA@mail.gmail.com>

That's brilliant Rick. Thanks! I had forgotten all about Burnt Store
Marina! The boat ramp at Ponce looks nice on Google maps, but doesn't look
like a place I'd be willing to leave my truck and trailer for 10 days. I
ran across Safe Harbor Pineland on Pine Island last night. I'm going to
give them and Burnt Store marina a call and see what they say.

Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 1:41 PM Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> There's a couple possibilities in LaBelle along the Caloosahatchee if you
> like river sailing.  Hendry County Boat Dock on the north bank and Port
> LaBelle Marina on the south.
>
> To launch onto the beautiful Gasparillo Sound and Charlotte Harbor with the
> Peace River to boot, use the Ponce de Leon Boat Ramp in Punta Gorda.
> Luxury accommodation and absolute security can be found using the Burnt
> Store Marina ramp.
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 1, 2022 at 10:44 PM Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi esteemed forum folks. The captain and I are starting to plan a trip
> back
> > down  to FL for another sailing adventure. Our plan this time is to
> trailer
> > down to the Ft Myers/ Cape Coral area, put in and sail to several spots
> in
> > that general area over the course of a week or so in April. The dilemma
> and
> > thing I need help with is to see if anyone has any experience with secure
> > places that would allow us to launch and then leave the truck and
> trailer.
> >
> > I welcome all advice and input. Ideally I would like to keep the truck
> and
> > trailer at or very near the launch site.
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Mike
> > --
> > Michael Riter
> > President, Trail Design Specialists, Inc.
> > Lead Instructor, Trail Master and mechanized training
> > mike at traildesign.com
> > 678-410-8021
> >
>

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Feb  2 21:36:41 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2022 18:36:41 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] How to Post a Reply
Message-ID: <E1nFRzF-008oPY-CT@s152.servername.online>

Correct.  You can only reply to messages that are in your email inbox.

--Peter

> On 2022-02-02, at 19:03:02 EST, Rodney Brown wrote:
>
> Peter, I think I?ve figured this out?After I signed up a couple of weeks ago up 
> I started getting the email?s and can reply to them. 
> 
> Those emails on the archive were posted to the group before I joined, I?m 
> guessing I can?t reply to those per se.  Is this correct? 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 


From sbauman369 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 07:52:57 2022
From: sbauman369 at gmail.com (Steve Bauman)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 07:52:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <E1nFNZi-009Rji-Sw@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nFNZi-009Rji-Sw@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CANnt4UDQ-Xw-FCX5-xUrPt2o8v-mnQubMLZ-6hYTeX2x2f7ayw@mail.gmail.com>

Just FYI, I installed my tiller pilot socket without reinforcing on the
back side. The fiberglass in that area is very thick, it is plenty strong
without backing. And over many years, I've had no issues.

Steve
Misty Anne
Sandusky Bay, Ohio

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022, 4:54 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> My tiller pilot connection socket is also in the starboard coaming pocket,
> and that has worked out well as it is well protected there.  I often don't
> bother to put the cover flap in place after disconnecting, and that has
> never caused an issue.
>
> I'm curious about the need for a 12 volt socket there as well.  I have one
> of these in the cabin, but never use it.  Everything is either hard-wired
> or uses a USB plug for power. I'm up to 8 USB outlets in the cabin.
>
> I don't have a clear recollection of the wiring process, but I'm sure I
> use a fish tape.
>
> I find it pretty easy to get into and work in the lazarette.  To fasten
> the wood block reinforcement to the underside of the gunnel, I used a quick
> setting epoxy syringe from Home Depot, lay on my back in the lazarette, and
> just held the block in place over my head for 5 minutes.  This did fail on
> me once, so the technique could probably be improved on.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2022-02-02, at 14:01:54 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller
> Pilot
> > installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the lazarette,
> so the
> > pathway into the coaming is already present.
> >
> > Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to
> make
> > sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to
> install
> > the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard coaming
> pocket.  I
> > will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these will be
> relatively
> > small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish tape or
> something like
> > that to get the wiring from the electric panel connection to that hole.
> Is that
> > how you did it?
> >
> > I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to
> reinforce the
> > Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not the case,
> I
> > believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is that what
> you did
> > to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?
> >
> > Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have
> shared
> > with our community.
> >
> >
> > Mike McKay
> > s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> > Allatoona Lake
> > Acworth, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

From jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 09:11:14 2022
From: jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com (Jeff Smith Photo)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 09:11:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <CAM0HAmm-RYw8wLS5s8b8CFwSh92PbEFzEBhe3vQY=t35mQPrYA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jesse,
It's nice to get a complement from one of the R22 "Masters".

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 09:17:31 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 08:17:31 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
In-Reply-To: <CAM0HAmm-RYw8wLS5s8b8CFwSh92PbEFzEBhe3vQY=t35mQPrYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM0HAmm-RYw8wLS5s8b8CFwSh92PbEFzEBhe3vQY=t35mQPrYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fpWY321JxZNaNpxptHfsVgNwrHahvY0YzNg7e4uFgDnFg@mail.gmail.com>

Ha, I often feel closer to the novice end of the spectrum than a master :)
That being said, I tend not to be afraid to try things.  It usually works
out well enough in the end, and the other times I still come away with a
story to tell...

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 8:11 AM Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thanks Jesse,
> It's nice to get a complement from one of the R22 "Masters".
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 12:39:00 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 12:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <E1nFNZi-009Rji-Sw@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nFNZi-009Rji-Sw@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <E651FF99-0D6F-420F-A998-38603BADB3A9@gmail.com>

Peter, 

Thanks for the clarifications.  I do have two 12V sockets in the cabin, which I mostly use for USB chargers (one of which also displays battery voltage which is useful).  

I use Navionics on an iPad for navigation which uses a lot of battery so that?s why I want a convenient socket in the cockpit. I also have a couple of tools that run on 12v like an inflator for swim toys and a rinse down pump/hose. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 2, 2022, at 4:54 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike,
> 
> My tiller pilot connection socket is also in the starboard coaming pocket, and that has worked out well as it is well protected there.  I often don't bother to put the cover flap in place after disconnecting, and that has never caused an issue.
> 
> I'm curious about the need for a 12 volt socket there as well.  I have one of these in the cabin, but never use it.  Everything is either hard-wired or uses a USB plug for power. I'm up to 8 USB outlets in the cabin.
> 
> I don't have a clear recollection of the wiring process, but I'm sure I use a fish tape.
> 
> I find it pretty easy to get into and work in the lazarette.  To fasten the wood block reinforcement to the underside of the gunnel, I used a quick setting epoxy syringe from Home Depot, lay on my back in the lazarette, and just held the block in place over my head for 5 minutes.  This did fail on me once, so the technique could probably be improved on.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2022-02-02, at 14:01:54 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller Pilot 
>> installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the lazarette, so the 
>> pathway into the coaming is already present. 
>> 
>> Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to make 
>> sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to install 
>> the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard coaming pocket.  I 
>> will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these will be relatively 
>> small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish tape or something like 
>> that to get the wiring from the electric panel connection to that hole.  Is that 
>> how you did it? 
>> 
>> I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to reinforce the 
>> Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not the case, I 
>> believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is that what you did 
>> to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels? 
>> 
>> Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have shared 
>> with our community. 
>> 
>> 
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>> Allatoona Lake
>> Acworth, GA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 15:19:04 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 15:19:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Roger,

This is very helpful information.  Other owners like Peter and Bill
installed the mounting socket directly into the gunnel as opposed to using
the pedestal mount.  Bill installed his tiller pin on the bottom of the
tiller using the 1" tiller bracket, but that won't work for me. 

I have a GB fiberglass tiller.  The bottom of my tiller is exactly level
with the height of the gunnel.  For that reason I think I need to put the
tiller pin on top, which may require the use of the pedestal mount to keep
the Tiller Pilot horizontal.  Is that what you did?

I'll reconsider where to put the electrical socket--you make a good point
about keeping the seating area clear.  I also need to replace my tiller
extension with a shorter one since the current extension covers the point
where the tiller pin needs to be.  These boat projects have a nasty habit of
growing as you get into them!

Thanks again for your support.

Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike,

In my previous post, I gave Raymarine Tillerpilot P/N's.  These pieces/parts
assumed the gunnel end of the Tillerpilot would be mounted on the top of the
gunnel on the starboard side.  The pedestal mount is thru bolted thru the
top of the gunnel using 4 SS fender washers as backing plates.  This type of
mount will load the gunnel in shear.  The 4 fender washers will provide more
than enough shear strength for this application.

Far more critical is the installation of the pin in the tiller.  It needs to
be precisely mounted in terms of the distance from the center of rudder
rotation and the angle of the pin in the tiller.  The pin needs to be
vertical when the tiller is all the way down.

I considered mounting the socket for the Tillerpilot in the starboard
coaming compartment.  But, I decided against it because the cable would be
in the way in between the Tillerpilot and the coaming compartment.  That's
very valuable sitting real estate in the cockpit.  Instead, I mounted the
Tillerpilot socket thru the side of the starboard gunnel aft of the
Tillerpilot.  This puts the cable out of the way of the mainsheet and
traveler controls and it isn't in danger of someone sitting on it.

Have you ever crawled under the cockpit seats?  On my boat, there is an
epoxy coated strip of wood covering the hull/deck joint.  Cables can be
anchored to this strip of wood with cable ties & anchors.  As far as the
installation of the Tillerpilot socket, the underside of the gunnel can be
accessed from the lazarette compartment.  Assuming the lazarette compartment
is cleaned out, I can get my whole body in there and I'm a pretty big guy
and not very flexible anymore.

You will need to use a fish tape or an unbent wire clothes hanger to fish
the wire from the cockpit bulkhead to the circuit breaker box.  It's only a
couple of feet, so this is a pretty easy fishing job.  The Tillerpilot
should be on it's own separately fused circuit.

Other than that, refer to my previous post.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 11:02 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Hi Peter,

I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller
Pilot installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the
lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present.

Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to make
sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to
install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard coaming
pocket.  I will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these will
be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish tape
or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel connection
to that hole.  Is that how you did it?

I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to reinforce
the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not the case,
I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is that what
you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?

Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have
shared with our community.


Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter
Nyberg
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike,

I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.

First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of a
Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org
%2Fdocument.html%3Fdocuments%2FTillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf&amp;data=04%7C
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nZzsvDBcaTFJ8DxOZWGu0TMF2joA%3D&amp;reserved=0

To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.
It seems to me that would be redundant.

As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft
panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the
starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
drilling a hole into the cockpit.

Best of luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping
to
> get some additional advice before I start.
>
> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
coaming
> pocket?
> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that
and
> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an inline
fuse
> is required in either case.
>
> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
Tiller
> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.
>
> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
>




From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 15:22:21 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 15:22:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Thanks Jesse.  Out of curiosity, is your Tiller Pilot connected to the top or the bottom of your tiller?

~Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Jesse Shumaker
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 2:31 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Hi Mike, I know your question was directed at Peter, but I'm sending a bit
of unsolicited feedback anyway :)

I think you're asking about accessing the back of the side of the gunnel in
case you want to reinforce that.  My boat already had the tiller mount
installed when I bought it so I didn't have to install that.  I can't
recall for sure, but I don't think my boat had reinforcement in the tiller
pilot mount on the gunnel.  I can't recall how far forward the mount is,
but you can get to the underside of the aft portion of the gunnel from
within the lazarette.  I've found that I can fold myself into the lazarette
to work on things, though it is a bit of a tight fit.

If the mount on the gunnel is forward of the lazarette, you can get to the
area under the gunnel by laying down in the cockpit and shuffling
underneath the cockpit benches towards the hull.  There's an open area
between the backrests and the hull.  I recently installed shelves under the
gunnel with an access port on top as part of my off-season projects so I
spent some time around that part of the boat.  I'll provide some details on
the under-gunnel shelves when I put together a recap of my off season
projects in a month or two.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 1:01 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller
> Pilot installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the
> lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present.
>
> Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to
> make sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to
> install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard coaming
> pocket.  I will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these will
> be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish tape
> or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel connection
> to that hole.  Is that how you did it?
>
> I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to
> reinforce the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not
> the case, I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is
> that what you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?
>
> Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have
> shared with our community.
>
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
>
> Mike,
>
> I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.
>
> First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of
> a Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
> http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/TillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf
>
> To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
> electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
> placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.
> It seems to me that would be redundant.
>
> As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
> galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
> counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft
> panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the
> starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
> drilling a hole into the cockpit.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
> >
> > Hi Roger,
> >
> > I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am
> hoping to
> > get some additional advice before I start.
> >
> > 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
> coaming
> > pocket?
> > 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass
> that and
> > connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an
> inline fuse
> > is required in either case.
> >
> > I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
> Tiller
> > Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.
> >
> > Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
> >
> > Mike McKay
> > s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> > Allatoona Lake
> > Acworth, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 15:47:14 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 15:47:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Mike,

I have a fiberglass tiller and the tiller pin is attached underneath.

Regards,

Rick Lange

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Thu Feb  3 15:49:54 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 14:49:54 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Hi Mike,

My tiller pilot is connected to the bottom of the tiller.  I attached a
couple of photos for reference.  One shows the tiller, and the other shows
where the base of the tiller pilot mounts on the gunnel, a few inches
inside from the horn cleat.

Regarding the mounting of the electrical socket, on my boat it was mounted
on the inside of the coaming compartment, which keeps it somewhat protected
from weather.  That socket is on its own circuit that is only turned on
when I'm actively using the tiller pilot.

Hope that helps...

Jesse

On Thu, Feb 3, 2022 at 2:22 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks Jesse.  Out of curiosity, is your Tiller Pilot connected to the top
> or the bottom of your tiller?
>
> ~Mike
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Jesse Shumaker
> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 2:31 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
>
> Hi Mike, I know your question was directed at Peter, but I'm sending a bit
> of unsolicited feedback anyway :)
>
> I think you're asking about accessing the back of the side of the gunnel in
> case you want to reinforce that.  My boat already had the tiller mount
> installed when I bought it so I didn't have to install that.  I can't
> recall for sure, but I don't think my boat had reinforcement in the tiller
> pilot mount on the gunnel.  I can't recall how far forward the mount is,
> but you can get to the underside of the aft portion of the gunnel from
> within the lazarette.  I've found that I can fold myself into the lazarette
> to work on things, though it is a bit of a tight fit.
>
> If the mount on the gunnel is forward of the lazarette, you can get to the
> area under the gunnel by laying down in the cockpit and shuffling
> underneath the cockpit benches towards the hull.  There's an open area
> between the backrests and the hull.  I recently installed shelves under the
> gunnel with an access port on top as part of my off-season projects so I
> spent some time around that part of the boat.  I'll provide some details on
> the under-gunnel shelves when I put together a recap of my off season
> projects in a month or two.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Wed, Feb 2, 2022 at 1:01 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller
> > Pilot installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the
> > lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present.
> >
> > Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to
> > make sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend
> to
> > install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard
> coaming
> > pocket.  I will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these
> will
> > be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish
> tape
> > or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel
> connection
> > to that hole.  Is that how you did it?
> >
> > I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to
> > reinforce the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is
> not
> > the case, I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is
> > that what you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?
> >
> > Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have
> > shared with our community.
> >
> >
> > Mike McKay
> > s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> > Allatoona Lake
> > Acworth, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.
> >
> > First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of
> > a Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/TillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf
> >
> > To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
> > electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
> > placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline
> fuse.
> > It seems to me that would be redundant.
> >
> > As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
> > galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
> > counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the
> aft
> > panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of
> the
> > starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
> > drilling a hole into the cockpit.
> >
> > Best of luck,
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> > > On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Roger,
> > >
> > > I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am
> > hoping to
> > > get some additional advice before I start.
> > >
> > > 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
> > coaming
> > > pocket?
> > > 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass
> > that and
> > > connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an
> > inline fuse
> > > is required in either case.
> > >
> > > I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
> > Tiller
> > > Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.
> > >
> > > Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
> > >
> > > Mike McKay
> > > s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> > > Allatoona Lake
> > > Acworth, GA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Thu Feb  3 15:59:47 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2022 12:59:47 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
Message-ID: <E1nFjCl-00BiBH-2p@s152.servername.online>

Me too.

> On 2022-02-03, at 15:47:14 EST, Rick Lange wrote:
>
> Mike,
> 
> I have a fiberglass tiller and the tiller pin is attached underneath.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rick Lange
> 


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Feb  3 18:22:11 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2022 23:22:11 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Mike,

I have an old fashioned varnished wood tiller.  I haven?t seen the GB fiberglass tiller.  So, I don?t know exactly how it is shaped.  But, the nice thing about the Raymarine pedestal mount is; there is a 3? OD X ?? thick base which is thru bolted to the top of the gunnel.  Then, there is a cylindrical pedestal that screws into the base.  The Tillerpilot has a pin that drops into the top of the cylindrical pedestal.  The cylindrical pedestal is available in a variety of lengths to adjust for the difference in height between the top of the gunnel and the top of the tiller.  The Tillerpilot Owner?s Handbook gives instructions how to determine the appropriate length of the cylindrical pedestal such that the Tillerpilot is installed level with the top of tiller.  The cylindrical pedestals are available in the following lengths and you would need to choose the length that raises the Tillerpilot up above the top surface of the tiller.

Pedestal Length                Raymarine Part No
38 mm (1.5 inch)                              D026
50 mm (2.0 inch)                              D027
64 mm (2.5 inch)                              D028
76 mm (3.0 inch)                              D029
89 mm (3.5 inch)                              D030

I think I needed the D027 Pedestal.  But, I don?t seem to have it written down anywhere and the boat is in winter storage for a couple more months.  The chances are, your fiberglass tiller would need a different length cylindrical pedestal anyway.

I looked at all the other mounting options for the Tillerpilot.  Between the selection of different length pushrods and the different height cylindrical pedestals, this mounting option gives the best overall fit and leaves the least intrusive hardware permanently attached to the tiller and gunnel.  For example, when the Tillerpilot is not being used, the cylindrical pedestal can be unscrewed and stowed with the Tillerpilot.  This leaves just the base attached to the gunnel, which is small enough to sit on and not likely to snag a line or stub your toe.  There is also no permanently attached bracket on either the top or the underside of the tiller.

Regarding the plug and socket for the Tillerpilot cord - The socket comes with a waterproof cap, which has a retaining lanyard, so you can?t lose it.  The plug itself is waterproof and I?ve never had an issue with water intrusion in 22 seasons.  For me, running the cable thru an area of the cockpit wherein you are unlikely to sit on it &/or foul a line on it is a more important issue than protecting a waterproof socket from the elements.  But, that?s just me.  Certainly, mounting the socket inside the coaming compartment will work.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 12:19 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Roger,

This is very helpful information.  Other owners like Peter and Bill
installed the mounting socket directly into the gunnel as opposed to using
the pedestal mount.  Bill installed his tiller pin on the bottom of the
tiller using the 1" tiller bracket, but that won't work for me.

I have a GB fiberglass tiller.  The bottom of my tiller is exactly level
with the height of the gunnel.  For that reason I think I need to put the
tiller pin on top, which may require the use of the pedestal mount to keep
the Tiller Pilot horizontal.  Is that what you did?

I'll reconsider where to put the electrical socket--you make a good point
about keeping the seating area clear.  I also need to replace my tiller
extension with a shorter one since the current extension covers the point
where the tiller pin needs to be.  These boat projects have a nasty habit of
growing as you get into them!

Thanks again for your support.

Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:44 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike,

In my previous post, I gave Raymarine Tillerpilot P/N's.  These pieces/parts
assumed the gunnel end of the Tillerpilot would be mounted on the top of the
gunnel on the starboard side.  The pedestal mount is thru bolted thru the
top of the gunnel using 4 SS fender washers as backing plates.  This type of
mount will load the gunnel in shear.  The 4 fender washers will provide more
than enough shear strength for this application.

Far more critical is the installation of the pin in the tiller.  It needs to
be precisely mounted in terms of the distance from the center of rudder
rotation and the angle of the pin in the tiller.  The pin needs to be
vertical when the tiller is all the way down.

I considered mounting the socket for the Tillerpilot in the starboard
coaming compartment.  But, I decided against it because the cable would be
in the way in between the Tillerpilot and the coaming compartment.  That's
very valuable sitting real estate in the cockpit.  Instead, I mounted the
Tillerpilot socket thru the side of the starboard gunnel aft of the
Tillerpilot.  This puts the cable out of the way of the mainsheet and
traveler controls and it isn't in danger of someone sitting on it.

Have you ever crawled under the cockpit seats?  On my boat, there is an
epoxy coated strip of wood covering the hull/deck joint.  Cables can be
anchored to this strip of wood with cable ties & anchors.  As far as the
installation of the Tillerpilot socket, the underside of the gunnel can be
accessed from the lazarette compartment.  Assuming the lazarette compartment
is cleaned out, I can get my whole body in there and I'm a pretty big guy
and not very flexible anymore.

You will need to use a fish tape or an unbent wire clothes hanger to fish
the wire from the cockpit bulkhead to the circuit breaker box.  It's only a
couple of feet, so this is a pretty easy fishing job.  The Tillerpilot
should be on it's own separately fused circuit.

Other than that, refer to my previous post.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 11:02 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Hi Peter,

I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller
Pilot installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the
lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present.

Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to make
sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to
install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard coaming
pocket.  I will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these will
be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish tape
or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel connection
to that hole.  Is that how you did it?

I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to reinforce
the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not the case,
I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is that what
you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?

Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have
shared with our community.


Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA





-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter
Nyberg
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike,

I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.

First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of a
Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc61deb045f3b4e34337008d9e7526ed8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637795163510316570%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=0UhN6lzUm4L8Bb7fNpP4WUb%2FTku3fZTlMz%2FLVVwn0tc%3D&amp;reserved=0
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To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.
It seems to me that would be redundant.

As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft
panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the
starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
drilling a hole into the cockpit.

Best of luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping
to
> get some additional advice before I start.
>
> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
coaming
> pocket?
> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that
and
> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an inline
fuse
> is required in either case.
>
> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
Tiller
> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.
>
> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
>




From bobfcohen at gmail.com  Sat Feb  5 08:08:10 2022
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Bob Cohen)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2022 08:08:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] R22 posting on sailboatlistings.com
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The Rhodes 22 in Brian's post was my boat.  It was built in 1988 and refurbished by Stan in 2011.  It was in very good condition when we purchased it from Bruce Mackey of Suttons Bay, MI in 2019.  We then arranged for Chris Cowie to do some modernizing (installation of marine head and three-fold door, etc.) at his shop in Maryland.  We named her "Aria" and Chris put the new lettering (shown in the photos) on her.  After completion of the work, as Aria was being towed back to Michigan, she was slammed into by a van on the Pennsylvania Turnpike,  and returned to Chris's shop.   The collision destroyed the motor, smashed in the transom and damaged the left stern quarter of the hull and the deck above the transom.  The cost of repair was estimated to be about $20,000.  After difficult negotiations with State Auto, the van driver's  insurance company (whose adjustor declared it a total loss), we settled, signed over title to them, and purchased another Rhodes. 

If anyone on the Rhodes list should want additional information about Aria, let me know.

Bob Cohen
s/v Silver Bay 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Brian Ferguson
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2021 10:05 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] R22 posting on sailboatlistings.com

Here is another Rhodes in northern SC. Aria used to be owned by Keith Bracknell from this group I think. From my research this Facebook boat was auctioned in March 2020. Unfortunately the sum of parts might be greater than the whole. The damage would concern me.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/128700986047964/


On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 19:35 Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Happened to see this and passing it along in case there are 
> prospective R22 owners on the list:
> https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/93782
>


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Sun Feb  6 22:19:03 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2022 22:19:03 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>

Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to write
about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly awaited
(meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from Corfu to
Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm you
all up a bit.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4/view?usp=sharing

Chris & Alice Geankoplis
S/V Enosis, Xenos

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Feb  7 07:34:14 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 12:34:14 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
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Hi Chris,

Quite an adventure!  Looking forward to the next chapter.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Chris Geankoplis<mailto:chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:19 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3

Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to write
about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly awaited
(meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from Corfu to
Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm you
all up a bit.

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c96d6b73101477fb4ed08d9e9e8a02f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637798007601273012%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=iEo1WYmgll0wJve2PxEBHcgufEUMMEB%2BoMi2dDAUszg%3D&amp;reserved=0

Chris & Alice Geankoplis
S/V Enosis, Xenos


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 08:05:40 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:05:40 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
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Hey Roger. Mor fun doing it than writing about it. But still we enjoy the
reminiscing too.
Chris & Alice Geankoplis
Enosis/Xenos

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 7:34 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Quite an adventure!  Looking forward to the next chapter.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Chris Geankoplis<mailto:chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:19 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
>
> Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to write
> about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly awaited
> (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from Corfu to
> Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm you
> all up a bit.
>
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C9c96d6b73101477fb4ed08d9e9e8a02f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637798007601273012%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=iEo1WYmgll0wJve2PxEBHcgufEUMMEB%2BoMi2dDAUszg%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> S/V Enosis, Xenos
>
>

From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 08:48:13 2022
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 08:48:13 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9D0BCBFF-118B-4ACD-8D9E-94108A7AED56@gmail.com>

Stunning pictures and a fascinating account.  I am envious.  Thanks for sharing this with us, Chris.

Frank

> On Feb 6, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to write
> about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly awaited
> (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from Corfu to
> Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm you
> all up a bit.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4/view?usp=sharing
> 
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> S/V Enosis, Xenos


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 09:54:25 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 09:54:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
In-Reply-To: <9D0BCBFF-118B-4ACD-8D9E-94108A7AED56@gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiV709g+mzDP92-7yOdh0JFHWqa-Ge2_MszxTZs+h-W_QA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Frank,  We are glad to share the adventures with our fellow sailors and
hopefully encourage everyone to create their own experiences and
demonstrate what the boat and non-athletic sailors are capable of.
Chris & Alice Geankoplis
ENOSIS & ZENOS

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 8:48 AM Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Stunning pictures and a fascinating account.  I am envious.  Thanks for
> sharing this with us, Chris.
>
> Frank
>
> > On Feb 6, 2022, at 10:19 PM, Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to write
> > about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly awaited
> > (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from Corfu
> to
> > Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm you
> > all up a bit.
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > S/V Enosis, Xenos
>
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 11:53:24 2022
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 11:53:24 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrO9mu74_+GRBWUscSEx3YBMYZn4v=aLU2xpw5=47WFG-wk8g@mail.gmail.com>

Chris
One of your best postings yet...again I loved the history and the
recounting of your interactions with the local townspeople. The pictures of
course are beautiful.
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 10:19 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to write
> about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly awaited
> (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from Corfu to
> Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm you
> all up a bit.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4/view?usp=sharing
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> S/V Enosis, Xenos
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Feb  7 12:37:23 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 17:37:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
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Chris,

So, where is the boat now?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: Chris Geankoplis<mailto:chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 7, 2022 5:05 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3

Hey Roger. Mor fun doing it than writing about it. But still we enjoy the
reminiscing too.
Chris & Alice Geankoplis
Enosis/Xenos

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 7:34 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Quite an adventure!  Looking forward to the next chapter.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C0a9a949e6dc6491356b108d9ea3a92ff%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637798359573364257%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=xhxJYigBTFACAOpu%2BTW9U5hVj24FgJxQ0tJUd0gaE%2Bo%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
>
> From: Chris Geankoplis<mailto:chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 6, 2022 7:19 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
>
> Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to write
> about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly awaited
> (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from Corfu to
> Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm you
> all up a bit.
>
>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Ffile%2Fd%2F1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4%2Fview%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C0a9a949e6dc6491356b108d9ea3a92ff%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637798359573364257%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=aSVqncvBYMq679evHuQzPprvxWMW5Zs5DLReaRZL3Wg%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> S/V Enosis, Xenos
>
>


From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 12:46:42 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 12:46:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9mu74_+GRBWUscSEx3YBMYZn4v=aLU2xpw5=47WFG-wk8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CADNTwiXxJJbMQYAN0QWtuA+GHUQoX8pe+DoecBxBXf30a-5KpQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Reuben ,  yes we really enjoyed the history and the people on this
trip. Not too hard to get nice pictures when the coast is so beautiful. Are
you in Florida?

Chris & Alice

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:53 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Chris
> One of your best postings yet...again I loved the history and the
> recounting of your interactions with the local townspeople. The pictures of
> course are beautiful.
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 10:19 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to write
> > about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly awaited
> > (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from Corfu
> to
> > Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm you
> > all up a bit.
> >
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > S/V Enosis, Xenos
> >
>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 15:08:22 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 15:08:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
Message-ID: <647E23A3-5E27-4A82-9026-BDE75F8D2FBB@gmail.com>

?Roger,

Thanks again for taking the time and effort to provide such a detailed and complete description of the options for installing the Tiller Pilot.  

I returned to my boat yesterday to take more detailed measurements and found that the tiller pin actually should go on the bottom of the tiller, so that is consistent with what other owners have done.  

While sailing her yesterday (one advantage of living in Georgia is year round sailing) I realized that you are correct about the advantage of keeping the power socket towards the aft of the cockpit.  

I also think I?ll get the power from the starter battery, since I have easy access to a connection block in the lazarette.  

Thanks again for your advice!

Mike  



Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:22 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> ?Mike,
> 
> I have an old fashioned varnished wood tiller.  I haven?t seen the GB fiberglass tiller.  So, I don?t know exactly how it is shaped.  But, the nice thing about the Raymarine pedestal mount is; there is a 3? OD X ?? thick base which is thru bolted to the top of the gunnel.  Then, there is a cylindrical pedestal that screws into the base.  The Tillerpilot has a pin that drops into the top of the cylindrical pedestal.  The cylindrical pedestal is available in a variety of lengths to adjust for the difference in height between the top of the gunnel and the top of the tiller.  The Tillerpilot Owner?s Handbook gives instructions how to determine the appropriate length of the cylindrical pedestal such that the Tillerpilot is installed level with the top of tiller.  The cylindrical pedestals are available in the following lengths and you would need to choose the length that raises the Tillerpilot up above the top surface of the tiller.
> 
> Pedestal Length                Raymarine Part No
> 38 mm (1.5 inch)                              D026
> 50 mm (2.0 inch)                              D027
> 64 mm (2.5 inch)                              D028
> 76 mm (3.0 inch)                              D029
> 89 mm (3.5 inch)                              D030
> 
> I think I needed the D027 Pedestal.  But, I don?t seem to have it written down anywhere and the boat is in winter storage for a couple more months.  The chances are, your fiberglass tiller would need a different length cylindrical pedestal anyway.
> 
> I looked at all the other mounting options for the Tillerpilot.  Between the selection of different length pushrods and the different height cylindrical pedestals, this mounting option gives the best overall fit and leaves the least intrusive hardware permanently attached to the tiller and gunnel.  For example, when the Tillerpilot is not being used, the cylindrical pedestal can be unscrewed and stowed with the Tillerpilot.  This leaves just the base attached to the gunnel, which is small enough to sit on and not likely to snag a line or stub your toe.  There is also no permanently attached bracket on either the top or the underside of the tiller.
> 
> Regarding the plug and socket for the Tillerpilot cord - The socket comes with a waterproof cap, which has a retaining lanyard, so you can?t lose it.  The plug itself is waterproof and I?ve never had an issue with water intrusion in 22 seasons.  For me, running the cable thru an area of the cockpit wherein you are unlikely to sit on it &/or foul a line on it is a more important issue than protecting a waterproof socket from the elements.  But, that?s just me.  Certainly, mounting the socket inside the coaming compartment will work.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 12:19 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
> 
> Roger,
> 
> This is very helpful information.  Other owners like Peter and Bill
> installed the mounting socket directly into the gunnel as opposed to using
> the pedestal mount.  Bill installed his tiller pin on the bottom of the
> tiller using the 1" tiller bracket, but that won't work for me.
> 
> I have a GB fiberglass tiller.  The bottom of my tiller is exactly level
> with the height of the gunnel.  For that reason I think I need to put the
> tiller pin on top, which may require the use of the pedestal mount to keep
> the Tiller Pilot horizontal.  Is that what you did?
> 
> I'll reconsider where to put the electrical socket--you make a good point
> about keeping the seating area clear.  I also need to replace my tiller
> extension with a shorter one since the current extension covers the point
> where the tiller pin needs to be.  These boat projects have a nasty habit of
> growing as you get into them!
> 
> Thanks again for your support.
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
> PIHLAJA
> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:44 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
> 
> Mike,
> 
> In my previous post, I gave Raymarine Tillerpilot P/N's.  These pieces/parts
> assumed the gunnel end of the Tillerpilot would be mounted on the top of the
> gunnel on the starboard side.  The pedestal mount is thru bolted thru the
> top of the gunnel using 4 SS fender washers as backing plates.  This type of
> mount will load the gunnel in shear.  The 4 fender washers will provide more
> than enough shear strength for this application.
> 
> Far more critical is the installation of the pin in the tiller.  It needs to
> be precisely mounted in terms of the distance from the center of rudder
> rotation and the angle of the pin in the tiller.  The pin needs to be
> vertical when the tiller is all the way down.
> 
> I considered mounting the socket for the Tillerpilot in the starboard
> coaming compartment.  But, I decided against it because the cable would be
> in the way in between the Tillerpilot and the coaming compartment.  That's
> very valuable sitting real estate in the cockpit.  Instead, I mounted the
> Tillerpilot socket thru the side of the starboard gunnel aft of the
> Tillerpilot.  This puts the cable out of the way of the mainsheet and
> traveler controls and it isn't in danger of someone sitting on it.
> 
> Have you ever crawled under the cockpit seats?  On my boat, there is an
> epoxy coated strip of wood covering the hull/deck joint.  Cables can be
> anchored to this strip of wood with cable ties & anchors.  As far as the
> installation of the Tillerpilot socket, the underside of the gunnel can be
> accessed from the lazarette compartment.  Assuming the lazarette compartment
> is cleaned out, I can get my whole body in there and I'm a pretty big guy
> and not very flexible anymore.
> 
> You will need to use a fish tape or an unbent wire clothes hanger to fish
> the wire from the cockpit bulkhead to the circuit breaker box.  It's only a
> couple of feet, so this is a pretty easy fishing job.  The Tillerpilot
> should be on it's own separately fused circuit.
> 
> Other than that, refer to my previous post.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
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> From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 11:02 AM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller
> Pilot installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the
> lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present.
> 
> Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to make
> sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to
> install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard coaming
> pocket.  I will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these will
> be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish tape
> or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel connection
> to that hole.  Is that how you did it?
> 
> I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to reinforce
> the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not the case,
> I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is that what
> you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?
> 
> Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have
> shared with our community.
> 
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter
> Nyberg
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
> 
> Mike,
> 
> I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.
> 
> First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of a
> Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
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> 
> To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
> electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
> placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.
> It seems to me that would be redundant.
> 
> As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
> galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
> counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft
> panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the
> starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
> drilling a hole into the cockpit.
> 
> Best of luck,
> 
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Roger,
>> 
>> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping
> to
>> get some additional advice before I start.
>> 
>> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
> coaming
>> pocket?
>> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that
> and
>> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an inline
> fuse
>> is required in either case.
>> 
>> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
> Tiller
>> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.
>> 
>> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
>> 
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>> Allatoona Lake
>> Acworth, GA

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 15:18:06 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 15:18:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEmfjUD7ZoXi_hPKcEB3BgH7enzXfep_nqTC9mhqDtR3tg@mail.gmail.com>

Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker poles, but
the attached photo shows what I used.

It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length but it
was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it was easy
to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good idea
because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems and used
it for a lot of years.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA
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From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 15:33:58 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 14:33:58 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the tubing for the rear cockpit deck drain
Message-ID: <DA8D280B-4A84-4F01-A5E0-03BFD7502370@gmail.com>

Happy Monday!  Looking for some advice, the flexible tubing connecting the deck drain (running downward in the lazarette) seems to have given up the ghost and is leaking water into the lazarette.  Does anyone know what size tubing is needed to replace the old section?

Thanks,
Rodney 

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 15:41:02 2022
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 15:41:02 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXxJJbMQYAN0QWtuA+GHUQoX8pe+DoecBxBXf30a-5KpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHrO9mu74_+GRBWUscSEx3YBMYZn4v=aLU2xpw5=47WFG-wk8g@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiXxJJbMQYAN0QWtuA+GHUQoX8pe+DoecBxBXf30a-5KpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrO9muejaNDmVamU0m4UE5MtjsOxUKOC=cOLqv4t-rLs0vmjg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes...patiently waiting for the chance to get together...on either coast

Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 12:46 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Reuben ,  yes we really enjoyed the history and the people on this
> trip. Not too hard to get nice pictures when the coast is so beautiful. Are
> you in Florida?
>
> Chris & Alice
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 11:53 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Chris
> > One of your best postings yet...again I loved the history and the
> > recounting of your interactions with the local townspeople. The pictures
> of
> > course are beautiful.
> > --Reuben
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 10:19 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to
> write
> > > about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly
> awaited
> > > (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from
> Corfu
> > to
> > > Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm
> you
> > > all up a bit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > > S/V Enosis, Xenos
> > >
> >
>

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 15:41:41 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 15:41:41 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEn=8FzQGUnWPa=QAZW4KK=NXOtHO67PMYgA+HVdTdPFhA@mail.gmail.com>

Chris,

Some of my non-sailing friends think I'm adventurous because I even own a
sailboat.  You and Alice are unbelievable!  I know you're a retired teacher
but I can't remember if you taught creative writing.  Very entertaining.
Can't wait until your next installment.  The Kojak teaser has me on the
edge of my seat.

When you're done you should consider sending it to SAIL magazine.  They'll
want it condensed to a few pages but they could include a link to the
entire story.  I may be biased but it's a lot better than most of their
cruising stories.

Lee
1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA

On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 10:19 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to write
> about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly awaited
> (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from Corfu to
> Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm you
> all up a bit.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4/view?usp=sharing
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> S/V Enosis, Xenos
>

From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 15:44:13 2022
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 15:44:13 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <647E23A3-5E27-4A82-9026-BDE75F8D2FBB@gmail.com>
References: <647E23A3-5E27-4A82-9026-BDE75F8D2FBB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrO9mtdJMg=nfv-sjmTY=xg_jUO1tbS7Jaei4K2x8MOZarq3A@mail.gmail.com>

For what it's worth....I had General Boat install my tiller pilot and they
took the power from the motor lift (which comes from battery #2).

Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:08 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Roger,
>
> Thanks again for taking the time and effort to provide such a detailed and
> complete description of the options for installing the Tiller Pilot.
>
> I returned to my boat yesterday to take more detailed measurements and
> found that the tiller pin actually should go on the bottom of the tiller,
> so that is consistent with what other owners have done.
>
> While sailing her yesterday (one advantage of living in Georgia is year
> round sailing) I realized that you are correct about the advantage of
> keeping the power socket towards the aft of the cockpit.
>
> I also think I?ll get the power from the starter battery, since I have
> easy access to a connection block in the lazarette.
>
> Thanks again for your advice!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:22 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> > ?Mike,
> >
> > I have an old fashioned varnished wood tiller.  I haven?t seen the GB
> fiberglass tiller.  So, I don?t know exactly how it is shaped.  But, the
> nice thing about the Raymarine pedestal mount is; there is a 3? OD X ??
> thick base which is thru bolted to the top of the gunnel.  Then, there is a
> cylindrical pedestal that screws into the base.  The Tillerpilot has a pin
> that drops into the top of the cylindrical pedestal.  The cylindrical
> pedestal is available in a variety of lengths to adjust for the difference
> in height between the top of the gunnel and the top of the tiller.  The
> Tillerpilot Owner?s Handbook gives instructions how to determine the
> appropriate length of the cylindrical pedestal such that the Tillerpilot is
> installed level with the top of tiller.  The cylindrical pedestals are
> available in the following lengths and you would need to choose the length
> that raises the Tillerpilot up above the top surface of the tiller.
> >
> > Pedestal Length                Raymarine Part No
> > 38 mm (1.5 inch)                              D026
> > 50 mm (2.0 inch)                              D027
> > 64 mm (2.5 inch)                              D028
> > 76 mm (3.0 inch)                              D029
> > 89 mm (3.5 inch)                              D030
> >
> > I think I needed the D027 Pedestal.  But, I don?t seem to have it
> written down anywhere and the boat is in winter storage for a couple more
> months.  The chances are, your fiberglass tiller would need a different
> length cylindrical pedestal anyway.
> >
> > I looked at all the other mounting options for the Tillerpilot.  Between
> the selection of different length pushrods and the different height
> cylindrical pedestals, this mounting option gives the best overall fit and
> leaves the least intrusive hardware permanently attached to the tiller and
> gunnel.  For example, when the Tillerpilot is not being used, the
> cylindrical pedestal can be unscrewed and stowed with the Tillerpilot.
> This leaves just the base attached to the gunnel, which is small enough to
> sit on and not likely to snag a line or stub your toe.  There is also no
> permanently attached bracket on either the top or the underside of the
> tiller.
> >
> > Regarding the plug and socket for the Tillerpilot cord - The socket
> comes with a waterproof cap, which has a retaining lanyard, so you can?t
> lose it.  The plug itself is waterproof and I?ve never had an issue with
> water intrusion in 22 seasons.  For me, running the cable thru an area of
> the cockpit wherein you are unlikely to sit on it &/or foul a line on it is
> a more important issue than protecting a waterproof socket from the
> elements.  But, that?s just me.  Certainly, mounting the socket inside the
> coaming compartment will work.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows
> >
> > From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 12:19 PM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
> >
> > Roger,
> >
> > This is very helpful information.  Other owners like Peter and Bill
> > installed the mounting socket directly into the gunnel as opposed to
> using
> > the pedestal mount.  Bill installed his tiller pin on the bottom of the
> > tiller using the 1" tiller bracket, but that won't work for me.
> >
> > I have a GB fiberglass tiller.  The bottom of my tiller is exactly level
> > with the height of the gunnel.  For that reason I think I need to put the
> > tiller pin on top, which may require the use of the pedestal mount to
> keep
> > the Tiller Pilot horizontal.  Is that what you did?
> >
> > I'll reconsider where to put the electrical socket--you make a good point
> > about keeping the seating area clear.  I also need to replace my tiller
> > extension with a shorter one since the current extension covers the point
> > where the tiller pin needs to be.  These boat projects have a nasty
> habit of
> > growing as you get into them!
> >
> > Thanks again for your support.
> >
> > Mike McKay
> > s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> > Allatoona Lake
> > Acworth, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> ROGER
> > PIHLAJA
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:44 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > In my previous post, I gave Raymarine Tillerpilot P/N's.  These
> pieces/parts
> > assumed the gunnel end of the Tillerpilot would be mounted on the top of
> the
> > gunnel on the starboard side.  The pedestal mount is thru bolted thru the
> > top of the gunnel using 4 SS fender washers as backing plates.  This
> type of
> > mount will load the gunnel in shear.  The 4 fender washers will provide
> more
> > than enough shear strength for this application.
> >
> > Far more critical is the installation of the pin in the tiller.  It
> needs to
> > be precisely mounted in terms of the distance from the center of rudder
> > rotation and the angle of the pin in the tiller.  The pin needs to be
> > vertical when the tiller is all the way down.
> >
> > I considered mounting the socket for the Tillerpilot in the starboard
> > coaming compartment.  But, I decided against it because the cable would
> be
> > in the way in between the Tillerpilot and the coaming compartment.
> That's
> > very valuable sitting real estate in the cockpit.  Instead, I mounted the
> > Tillerpilot socket thru the side of the starboard gunnel aft of the
> > Tillerpilot.  This puts the cable out of the way of the mainsheet and
> > traveler controls and it isn't in danger of someone sitting on it.
> >
> > Have you ever crawled under the cockpit seats?  On my boat, there is an
> > epoxy coated strip of wood covering the hull/deck joint.  Cables can be
> > anchored to this strip of wood with cable ties & anchors.  As far as the
> > installation of the Tillerpilot socket, the underside of the gunnel can
> be
> > accessed from the lazarette compartment.  Assuming the lazarette
> compartment
> > is cleaned out, I can get my whole body in there and I'm a pretty big guy
> > and not very flexible anymore.
> >
> > You will need to use a fish tape or an unbent wire clothes hanger to fish
> > the wire from the cockpit bulkhead to the circuit breaker box.  It's
> only a
> > couple of feet, so this is a pretty easy fishing job.  The Tillerpilot
> > should be on it's own separately fused circuit.
> >
> > Other than that, refer to my previous post.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from Mail<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc61deb045f3b4e34337008d9e7526ed8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637795163510316570%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=m2mIbKc28wuZ6wT75jpDglW0mh16Mms%2B5sirULe9lcs%3D&amp;reserved=0>
> for Windows
> >
> > From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 11:02 AM
> > To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller
> > Pilot installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the
> > lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present.
> >
> > Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to
> make
> > sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to
> > install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard
> coaming
> > pocket.  I will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these
> will
> > be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish
> tape
> > or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel
> connection
> > to that hole.  Is that how you did it?
> >
> > I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to
> reinforce
> > the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not the
> case,
> > I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is that what
> > you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?
> >
> > Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have
> > shared with our community.
> >
> >
> > Mike McKay
> > s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> > Allatoona Lake
> > Acworth, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter
> > Nyberg
> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.
> >
> > First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation
> of a
> > Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc61deb045f3b4e34337008d9e7526ed8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637795163510316570%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=0UhN6lzUm4L8Bb7fNpP4WUb%2FTku3fZTlMz%2FLVVwn0tc%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> > nZzsvDBcaTFJ8DxOZWGu0TMF2joA%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >
> > To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
> > electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
> > placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline
> fuse.
> > It seems to me that would be redundant.
> >
> > As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
> > galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
> > counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the
> aft
> > panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of
> the
> > starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
> > drilling a hole into the cockpit.
> >
> > Best of luck,
> >
> > Peter Nyberg
> > Coventry, CT
> > s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> >
> >> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Roger,
> >>
> >> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am
> hoping
> > to
> >> get some additional advice before I start.
> >>
> >> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
> > coaming
> >> pocket?
> >> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass
> that
> > and
> >> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an
> inline
> > fuse
> >> is required in either case.
> >>
> >> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
> > Tiller
> >> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.
> >>
> >> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
> >>
> >> Mike McKay
> >> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> >> Allatoona Lake
> >> Acworth, GA
>

From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 16:42:59 2022
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 16:42:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the tubing for the rear cockpit deck
	drain
In-Reply-To: <DA8D280B-4A84-4F01-A5E0-03BFD7502370@gmail.com>
References: <DA8D280B-4A84-4F01-A5E0-03BFD7502370@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPD+wLFXejfSfYPfzRHEbR3Cvcs+yxyFEmNb-QdFCMtU_5h9tQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think used 1 1/2? ID but that was based on the size of the thru hull and
the matching drain above it. Probably about 3-4 inches is all you?ll need.
I replaced my cockpit seat drains and am running the same diameter. A
little large for the seat drains but no standing water.
Brian

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 15:34 RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Happy Monday!  Looking for some advice, the flexible tubing connecting the
> deck drain (running downward in the lazarette) seems to have given up the
> ghost and is leaking water into the lazarette.  Does anyone know what size
> tubing is needed to replace the old section?
>
> Thanks,
> Rodney

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Feb  7 17:17:53 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 22:17:53 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Replacing the tubing for the rear cockpit deck
 drain
In-Reply-To: <DA8D280B-4A84-4F01-A5E0-03BFD7502370@gmail.com>
References: <DA8D280B-4A84-4F01-A5E0-03BFD7502370@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920CE0F571DFF246C125CB0802C9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Rodney,

On my boat, it?s 1-1/2? .  It?s so close coupled; that, you will have to remove one of the thru hulls to replace it.  I put silicone RTV sealant on the hose barbs in addition to the hose clamps.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:34 PM, RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Happy Monday!  Looking for some advice, the flexible tubing connecting the deck drain (running downward in the lazarette) seems to have given up the ghost and is leaking water into the lazarette.  Does anyone know what size tubing is needed to replace the old section?
> 
> Thanks,
> Rodney

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 19:07:22 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 19:07:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEn=8FzQGUnWPa=QAZW4KK=NXOtHO67PMYgA+HVdTdPFhA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPgvAEn=8FzQGUnWPa=QAZW4KK=NXOtHO67PMYgA+HVdTdPFhA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWE2nNZDz7Rj_S0VwPpmhCCmg0Q1zd+HnA-1+E0Nz=VDw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lee,
        I taught physical science in middle school.  My syllabus was "A 3
part method of experimentation: Set it on fire, Throw it off the roof, blow
it up".  I've been keeping sailing journals for a lot of years, I think my
first was 50 years ago.  I guess the Kojack teaser is a contemporary of
"Who shot JR", grin.   You will have to wait for this exciting
 anticlimactic "little known fact".  I might put something forward in a
publication,  Gotta think about it.  Parts of my first journal did get
published in a recent book by Rod Heikel "a Gift of the Sea".  An
interesting history of yachting in the Med from Cleopatra's time to modern
times.  I'm positioned closer to Cleo.

Chris G
Enosis/Zenos

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:41 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris,
>
> Some of my non-sailing friends think I'm adventurous because I even own a
> sailboat.  You and Alice are unbelievable!  I know you're a retired teacher
> but I can't remember if you taught creative writing.  Very entertaining.
> Can't wait until your next installment.  The Kojak teaser has me on the
> edge of my seat.
>
> When you're done you should consider sending it to SAIL magazine.  They'll
> want it condensed to a few pages but they could include a link to the
> entire story.  I may be biased but it's a lot better than most of their
> cruising stories.
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
> On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 10:19 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to write
> > about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly awaited
> > (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from Corfu
> to
> > Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm you
> > all up a bit.
> >
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4/view?usp=sharing
> >
> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > S/V Enosis, Xenos
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 19:11:18 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 19:11:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEmfjUD7ZoXi_hPKcEB3BgH7enzXfep_nqTC9mhqDtR3tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEmfjUD7ZoXi_hPKcEB3BgH7enzXfep_nqTC9mhqDtR3tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiXqNbj34YbF4CELr4NnrUkTX_2pr224iCfF8m4FP0x5Gw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I did the same thing for 20 years.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:17 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker poles, but
> the attached photo shows what I used.
>
> It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length but it
> was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it was easy
> to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good idea
> because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems and used
> it for a lot of years.
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 22:23:53 2022
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 19:23:53 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiXqNbj34YbF4CELr4NnrUkTX_2pr224iCfF8m4FP0x5Gw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEmfjUD7ZoXi_hPKcEB3BgH7enzXfep_nqTC9mhqDtR3tg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMzGxuO61O0NCuq-h2xe5wog3NYeHM1C1itoG_Ndzbu2UM4O1A@mail.gmail.com>

Well, what a wonderful solve! Implementing the simple solution. - I can't
wait to try it.

Cheers,
Shawn

s/v Sweet Baboo



On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 4:11 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes, I did the same thing for 20 years.
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:17 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker poles, but
> > the attached photo shows what I used.
> >
> > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length but
> it
> > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it was
> easy
> > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good idea
> > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems and used
> > it for a lot of years.
> >
> > Lee
> > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > Claytor Lake, VA
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> > >
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>

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 22:31:26 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 22:31:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
In-Reply-To: <E1n9dqh-000tCf-QR@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1n9dqh-000tCf-QR@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <059001d81c9c$5a94d990$0fbe8cb0$@gmail.com>

Hi Peter,

I just reread your reply.  As it happens I have been seriously thinking about getting the SailTimer RB wind instrument.  It seems that it would be a perfect choice for a Rhodes 22.  Do you know which model you got, and could you elaborate about the issues that you experienced?  

Thanks,

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 9:04 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?

I tried out a SailTimer instrument a few years ago, but never managed to get it working well enough to be useful.  What I have now is I think a Davis WindTrack.  it is sometimes literally a pain in the neck to look at up there at the top of the mast, but it works reliably. 

What's a masthead fly?

--Peter

> On 2022-01-17, at 20:09:45 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi,
> 
> I am hoping to add an electronic wind instrument to my masthead, but it?s a bit 
> crowded up there.  Have you done that?  I?d prefer not to remove the masthead 
> fly but I guess that would be an option. 
> 
> Thanks for your insights,
> 
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber 2006/2018
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 



From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 23:15:35 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 23:15:35 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9mtdJMg=nfv-sjmTY=xg_jUO1tbS7Jaei4K2x8MOZarq3A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHrO9mtdJMg=nfv-sjmTY=xg_jUO1tbS7Jaei4K2x8MOZarq3A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B8621A5-145E-48D3-8E56-629E3240284D@gmail.com>

Thanks Reuben, that helps confirm my assessment that the motor lift electr connection will be much easier to accomplish. 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:44 PM, Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?For what it's worth....I had General Boat install my tiller pilot and they
> took the power from the motor lift (which comes from battery #2).
> 
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:08 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Roger,
>> 
>> Thanks again for taking the time and effort to provide such a detailed and
>> complete description of the options for installing the Tiller Pilot.
>> 
>> I returned to my boat yesterday to take more detailed measurements and
>> found that the tiller pin actually should go on the bottom of the tiller,
>> so that is consistent with what other owners have done.
>> 
>> While sailing her yesterday (one advantage of living in Georgia is year
>> round sailing) I realized that you are correct about the advantage of
>> keeping the power socket towards the aft of the cockpit.
>> 
>> I also think I?ll get the power from the starter battery, since I have
>> easy access to a connection block in the lazarette.
>> 
>> Thanks again for your advice!
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Michael McKay
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Feb 3, 2022, at 6:22 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>> ?Mike,
>>> 
>>> I have an old fashioned varnished wood tiller.  I haven?t seen the GB
>> fiberglass tiller.  So, I don?t know exactly how it is shaped.  But, the
>> nice thing about the Raymarine pedestal mount is; there is a 3? OD X ??
>> thick base which is thru bolted to the top of the gunnel.  Then, there is a
>> cylindrical pedestal that screws into the base.  The Tillerpilot has a pin
>> that drops into the top of the cylindrical pedestal.  The cylindrical
>> pedestal is available in a variety of lengths to adjust for the difference
>> in height between the top of the gunnel and the top of the tiller.  The
>> Tillerpilot Owner?s Handbook gives instructions how to determine the
>> appropriate length of the cylindrical pedestal such that the Tillerpilot is
>> installed level with the top of tiller.  The cylindrical pedestals are
>> available in the following lengths and you would need to choose the length
>> that raises the Tillerpilot up above the top surface of the tiller.
>>> 
>>> Pedestal Length                Raymarine Part No
>>> 38 mm (1.5 inch)                              D026
>>> 50 mm (2.0 inch)                              D027
>>> 64 mm (2.5 inch)                              D028
>>> 76 mm (3.0 inch)                              D029
>>> 89 mm (3.5 inch)                              D030
>>> 
>>> I think I needed the D027 Pedestal.  But, I don?t seem to have it
>> written down anywhere and the boat is in winter storage for a couple more
>> months.  The chances are, your fiberglass tiller would need a different
>> length cylindrical pedestal anyway.
>>> 
>>> I looked at all the other mounting options for the Tillerpilot.  Between
>> the selection of different length pushrods and the different height
>> cylindrical pedestals, this mounting option gives the best overall fit and
>> leaves the least intrusive hardware permanently attached to the tiller and
>> gunnel.  For example, when the Tillerpilot is not being used, the
>> cylindrical pedestal can be unscrewed and stowed with the Tillerpilot.
>> This leaves just the base attached to the gunnel, which is small enough to
>> sit on and not likely to snag a line or stub your toe.  There is also no
>> permanently attached bracket on either the top or the underside of the
>> tiller.
>>> 
>>> Regarding the plug and socket for the Tillerpilot cord - The socket
>> comes with a waterproof cap, which has a retaining lanyard, so you can?t
>> lose it.  The plug itself is waterproof and I?ve never had an issue with
>> water intrusion in 22 seasons.  For me, running the cable thru an area of
>> the cockpit wherein you are unlikely to sit on it &/or foul a line on it is
>> a more important issue than protecting a waterproof socket from the
>> elements.  But, that?s just me.  Certainly, mounting the socket inside the
>> coaming compartment will work.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>> Windows
>>> 
>>> From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 3, 2022 12:19 PM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
>>> 
>>> Roger,
>>> 
>>> This is very helpful information.  Other owners like Peter and Bill
>>> installed the mounting socket directly into the gunnel as opposed to
>> using
>>> the pedestal mount.  Bill installed his tiller pin on the bottom of the
>>> tiller using the 1" tiller bracket, but that won't work for me.
>>> 
>>> I have a GB fiberglass tiller.  The bottom of my tiller is exactly level
>>> with the height of the gunnel.  For that reason I think I need to put the
>>> tiller pin on top, which may require the use of the pedestal mount to
>> keep
>>> the Tiller Pilot horizontal.  Is that what you did?
>>> 
>>> I'll reconsider where to put the electrical socket--you make a good point
>>> about keeping the seating area clear.  I also need to replace my tiller
>>> extension with a shorter one since the current extension covers the point
>>> where the tiller pin needs to be.  These boat projects have a nasty
>> habit of
>>> growing as you get into them!
>>> 
>>> Thanks again for your support.
>>> 
>>> Mike McKay
>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>>> Allatoona Lake
>>> Acworth, GA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> ROGER
>>> PIHLAJA
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 4:44 PM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
>>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> 
>>> In my previous post, I gave Raymarine Tillerpilot P/N's.  These
>> pieces/parts
>>> assumed the gunnel end of the Tillerpilot would be mounted on the top of
>> the
>>> gunnel on the starboard side.  The pedestal mount is thru bolted thru the
>>> top of the gunnel using 4 SS fender washers as backing plates.  This
>> type of
>>> mount will load the gunnel in shear.  The 4 fender washers will provide
>> more
>>> than enough shear strength for this application.
>>> 
>>> Far more critical is the installation of the pin in the tiller.  It
>> needs to
>>> be precisely mounted in terms of the distance from the center of rudder
>>> rotation and the angle of the pin in the tiller.  The pin needs to be
>>> vertical when the tiller is all the way down.
>>> 
>>> I considered mounting the socket for the Tillerpilot in the starboard
>>> coaming compartment.  But, I decided against it because the cable would
>> be
>>> in the way in between the Tillerpilot and the coaming compartment.
>> That's
>>> very valuable sitting real estate in the cockpit.  Instead, I mounted the
>>> Tillerpilot socket thru the side of the starboard gunnel aft of the
>>> Tillerpilot.  This puts the cable out of the way of the mainsheet and
>>> traveler controls and it isn't in danger of someone sitting on it.
>>> 
>>> Have you ever crawled under the cockpit seats?  On my boat, there is an
>>> epoxy coated strip of wood covering the hull/deck joint.  Cables can be
>>> anchored to this strip of wood with cable ties & anchors.  As far as the
>>> installation of the Tillerpilot socket, the underside of the gunnel can
>> be
>>> accessed from the lazarette compartment.  Assuming the lazarette
>> compartment
>>> is cleaned out, I can get my whole body in there and I'm a pretty big guy
>>> and not very flexible anymore.
>>> 
>>> You will need to use a fish tape or an unbent wire clothes hanger to fish
>>> the wire from the cockpit bulkhead to the circuit breaker box.  It's
>> only a
>>> couple of feet, so this is a pretty easy fishing job.  The Tillerpilot
>>> should be on it's own separately fused circuit.
>>> 
>>> Other than that, refer to my previous post.
>>> 
>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail<
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc61deb045f3b4e34337008d9e7526ed8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637795163510316570%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=m2mIbKc28wuZ6wT75jpDglW0mh16Mms%2B5sirULe9lcs%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> for Windows
>>> 
>>> From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com<mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 2, 2022 11:02 AM
>>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> I do have Bill's writeup, as well as Roger's email describing his Tiller
>>> Pilot installation.  My boat has speed and depth transducers in the
>>> lazarette, so the pathway into the coaming is already present.
>>> 
>>> Since I will be drilling holes in my boat for the first time, I want to
>> make
>>> sure my plan sounds reasonable based on your experience.  I intend to
>>> install the electrical socket for the Tiller Pilot in the starboard
>> coaming
>>> pocket.  I will also install a 12V socket there as well.  Since these
>> will
>>> be relatively small holes I am guessing that I will need to use a fish
>> tape
>>> or something like that to get the wiring from the electric panel
>> connection
>>> to that hole.  Is that how you did it?
>>> 
>>> I'm also hoping that my gunnel is thick enough so I don't have to
>> reinforce
>>> the Tiller Pilot mounting socket from underneath.  If that is not the
>> case,
>>> I believe I can reach that point from inside the lazarette.  Is that what
>>> you did to put the hardwood backing block in Silverheels?
>>> 
>>> Thanks for all you help and for the amazing library of videos you have
>>> shared with our community.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Mike McKay
>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>>> Allatoona Lake
>>> Acworth, GA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Peter
>>> Nyberg
>>> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2022 5:59 PM
>>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
>>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> 
>>> I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.
>>> 
>>> First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation
>> of a
>>> Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
>>> 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc61deb045f3b4e34337008d9e7526ed8%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637795163510316570%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=0UhN6lzUm4L8Bb7fNpP4WUb%2FTku3fZTlMz%2FLVVwn0tc%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> 
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>>> 
>> 01%7C%7C46b1c3e18c8d4716342608d9e67e7d8d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%
>>> 
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>>> 
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>>> nZzsvDBcaTFJ8DxOZWGu0TMF2joA%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> 
>>> To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
>>> electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
>>> placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline
>> fuse.
>>> It seems to me that would be redundant.
>>> 
>>> As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
>>> galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
>>> counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the
>> aft
>>> panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of
>> the
>>> starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
>>> drilling a hole into the cockpit.
>>> 
>>> Best of luck,
>>> 
>>> Peter Nyberg
>>> Coventry, CT
>>> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>>> 
>>>> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Roger,
>>>> 
>>>> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am
>> hoping
>>> to
>>>> get some additional advice before I start.
>>>> 
>>>> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
>>> coaming
>>>> pocket?
>>>> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass
>> that
>>> and
>>>> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an
>> inline
>>> fuse
>>>> is required in either case.
>>>> 
>>>> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
>>> Tiller
>>>> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
>>>> 
>>>> Mike McKay
>>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>>>> Allatoona Lake
>>>> Acworth, GA
>> 

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Mon Feb  7 23:18:04 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Mon, 7 Feb 2022 23:18:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEmfjUD7ZoXi_hPKcEB3BgH7enzXfep_nqTC9mhqDtR3tg@mail.gmail.com>
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Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker poles, but
> the attached photo shows what I used.
> 
> It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length but it
> was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it was easy
> to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good idea
> because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems and used
> it for a lot of years.
> 
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 02:44:06 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 02:44:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
In-Reply-To: <BD13BD5F-BB49-4BAA-B443-523F7E6D6012@gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEmfjUD7ZoXi_hPKcEB3BgH7enzXfep_nqTC9mhqDtR3tg@mail.gmail.com>
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The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The tension
from the sheet prevents it from falling out.

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker poles,
> but
> > the attached photo shows what I used.
> >
> > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length but
> it
> > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it was
> easy
> > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good idea
> > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems and used
> > it for a lot of years.
> >
> > Lee
> > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > Claytor Lake, VA
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From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 06:23:26 2022
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 06:23:26 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEnu-xVF9ZLsKP4poz4+SEvzqjE-zqk3=akDc5vXqs_tfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEmfjUD7ZoXi_hPKcEB3BgH7enzXfep_nqTC9mhqDtR3tg@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?

Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:

> The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The tension
> from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> >
> > Michael McKay
> > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker poles,
> > but
> > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > >
> > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length but
> > it
> > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it was
> > easy
> > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good idea
> > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems and
> used
> > > it for a lot of years.
> > >
> > > Lee
> > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > Claytor Lake, VA
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From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 08:58:30 2022
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 07:58:30 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
Message-ID: <CANbEFCshM5hq16Eq-ii7B0oTMVDmPrxnGWMJ0Tu8FhvDB14efg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and am
looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am
wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling motor)
in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly using it
for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.

Many thanks,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 09:36:11 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 09:36:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9mvJoLC_4w1qfUTHK+AbgmhE-VhtrhU+-=D06XBthy73eA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEmfjUD7ZoXi_hPKcEB3BgH7enzXfep_nqTC9mhqDtR3tg@mail.gmail.com>
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Here is another use for the boat hook. The port spreader fails in a bit of
weather. I used the pole to retention the outer shroud during some
thunderstorms near Elba. See picture attached. Oh, Alice was pretty cool
considering the situation.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:23 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The
> tension
> > from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> > >
> > > Michael McKay
> > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker
> poles,
> > > but
> > > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > > >
> > > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length
> but
> > > it
> > > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it
> was
> > > easy
> > > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good
> idea
> > > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems and
> > used
> > > > it for a lot of years.
> > > >
> > > > Lee
> > > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > > Claytor Lake, VA
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> >
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From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 09:57:30 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:57:30 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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References: <CAPgvAEmfjUD7ZoXi_hPKcEB3BgH7enzXfep_nqTC9mhqDtR3tg@mail.gmail.com>
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What a photo with rough seas and the squall in the background!  I'm looking
forward to reading through your latest installment of the Greek adventure.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 8:36 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is another use for the boat hook. The port spreader fails in a bit of
> weather. I used the pole to retention the outer shroud during some
> thunderstorms near Elba. See picture attached. Oh, Alice was pretty cool
> considering the situation.
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:23 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The
> > tension
> > > from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> > > >
> > > > Michael McKay
> > > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker
> > poles,
> > > > but
> > > > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length
> > but
> > > > it
> > > > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it
> > was
> > > > easy
> > > > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good
> > idea
> > > > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems
> and
> > > used
> > > > > it for a lot of years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee
> > > > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > > > Claytor Lake, VA
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> > >
> >
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From ctrobins at outlook.com  Tue Feb  8 10:30:15 2022
From: ctrobins at outlook.com (Todd Robinson)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 15:30:15 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
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I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and I was able to get out and have a great day on the lake. After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably suits my skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the water, it did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.

Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not fun. If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.

Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges are due to lack of knowledge/experience.



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Matt Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor

Hello everyone,

I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling motor) in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly using it for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.

Many thanks,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

From lvjkuhn at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 10:37:42 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:37:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiW=cxvNwFKTL0uJY-piPGa6iLr2T1_sWD3auC3Sx6pE_Q@mail.gmail.com>
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I saved that photo!  Button down the hatches Matey.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 9:36 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is another use for the boat hook. The port spreader fails in a bit of
> weather. I used the pole to retention the outer shroud during some
> thunderstorms near Elba. See picture attached. Oh, Alice was pretty cool
> considering the situation.
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:23 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The
> > tension
> > > from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> > > >
> > > > Michael McKay
> > > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker
> > poles,
> > > > but
> > > > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length
> > but
> > > > it
> > > > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it
> > was
> > > > easy
> > > > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good
> > idea
> > > > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems
> and
> > > used
> > > > > it for a lot of years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee
> > > > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > > > Claytor Lake, VA
> > > > > -------------- next part --------------
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > >
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> >
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 10:57:43 2022
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 07:57:43 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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Chris - Ingenious!  You and Alice are amazing.

Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 6:36 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is another use for the boat hook. The port spreader fails in a bit of
> weather. I used the pole to retention the outer shroud during some
> thunderstorms near Elba. See picture attached. Oh, Alice was pretty cool
> considering the situation.
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:23 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The
> > tension
> > > from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> > > >
> > > > Michael McKay
> > > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker
> > poles,
> > > > but
> > > > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length
> > but
> > > > it
> > > > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it
> > was
> > > > easy
> > > > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good
> > idea
> > > > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems
> and
> > > used
> > > > > it for a lot of years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee
> > > > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > > > Claytor Lake, VA
> > > > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > > > > Size: 1942587 bytes
> > > > > Desc: not available
> > > > > URL: <
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> > > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> >
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From sbauman369 at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 11:16:42 2022
From: sbauman369 at gmail.com (Steve Bauman)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:16:42 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
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About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50 pound
thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I found it to
be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina in mild wind.
One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in addition to
having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That being said, I love
the idea of changing over to a proper electric outboard, something I may do
for this coming season.

Steve
Misty Anne

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com> wrote:

> I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to be in
> the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling motor that
> provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it was but it could
> not handle much wind. Just getting out of the marina was challenging when
> the wind was above 7 knots. It took a while for it to get traction to
> overcome the wind and I started worrying that I was not going to make it
> back to my slip much less the lake. However, after going backwards a few
> slips it dug in and I was able to get out and have a great day on the lake.
> After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably suits my
> skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the water, it
> did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
>
> Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep the
> Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not fun.
> If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
>
> Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges are due
> to lack of knowledge/experience.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Matt Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and am
> looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am
> wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling motor)
> in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly using it
> for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
>
> Many thanks,
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower II
> White Bear Lake, MN
>

From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 11:46:02 2022
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:46:02 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
In-Reply-To: <CANnt4UCCaQdepbkKsrND3JKNfWnsDrq0QE0L95yYb0+YDCC1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks guys,

Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget matters
but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is now missing, I
have some money to play with.

Thank you!
Matt

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
> while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50 pound
> thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I found it to
> be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina in mild wind.
> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in addition to
> having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That being said, I love
> the idea of changing over to a proper electric outboard, something I may do
> for this coming season.
>
> Steve
> Misty Anne
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to be in
> > the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling motor that
> > provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it was but it could
> > not handle much wind. Just getting out of the marina was challenging when
> > the wind was above 7 knots. It took a while for it to get traction to
> > overcome the wind and I started worrying that I was not going to make it
> > back to my slip much less the lake. However, after going backwards a few
> > slips it dug in and I was able to get out and have a great day on the
> lake.
> > After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably suits
> my
> > skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the water,
> it
> > did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> >
> > Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep the
> > Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not fun.
> > If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
> >
> > Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges are
> due
> > to lack of knowledge/experience.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Matt Wilson
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and am
> > looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am
> > wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling
> motor)
> > in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly using
> it
> > for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> > occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Matt Wilson
> > Hornblower II
> > White Bear Lake, MN
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 12:11:33 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 12:11:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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MyGaiver is whatRhodies do

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 9:57 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> What a photo with rough seas and the squall in the background!  I'm looking
> forward to reading through your latest installment of the Greek adventure.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 8:36 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Here is another use for the boat hook. The port spreader fails in a bit
> of
> > weather. I used the pole to retention the outer shroud during some
> > thunderstorms near Elba. See picture attached. Oh, Alice was pretty cool
> > considering the situation.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:23 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?
> > >
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The
> > > tension
> > > > from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael McKay
> > > > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker
> > > poles,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good
> length
> > > but
> > > > > it
> > > > > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin
> it
> > > was
> > > > > easy
> > > > > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a
> good
> > > idea
> > > > > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems
> > and
> > > > used
> > > > > > it for a lot of years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lee
> > > > > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > > > > Claytor Lake, VA
> > > > > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
> > > > > > Name: Whisker Pole.jpg
> > > > > > Type: image/jpeg
> > > > > > Size: 1942587 bytes
> > > > > > Desc: not available
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220207/1f955aaa/attachment.jpg
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Tue Feb  8 12:43:24 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:43:24 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
Message-ID: <E1nHUWS-00CnNE-El@s152.servername.online>

Mike,

As I said, it's been several years, and unfortunately I don't really recall the details of my troubles with the SailTimer.  I recall having an issue with the built-in battery, and I was unable to get it set up to give me a useful wind direction (i.e. a bearing relative to my current course).

At that time, there was only one model, and I haven't kept up with their development since.  Perhaps they've improved things, but a masthead windex and hand-held anemometer give the info I'm looking for with less complexity.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-02-07, at 22:31:26 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I just reread your reply.  As it happens I have been seriously thinking about 
> getting the SailTimer RB wind instrument.  It seems that it would be a perfect 
> choice for a Rhodes 22.  Do you know which model you got, and could you 
> elaborate about the issues that you experienced? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mike
> 
> 


From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Tue Feb  8 13:04:32 2022
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 12:04:32 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
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Well an 8 hp is like 180lbs thrust IIRC.

Most of these boats have an 8, some have a 6.  I wouldn't think a 4hp would
do much ...

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 10:46 AM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks guys,
>
> Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
> recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget matters
> but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is now missing, I
> have some money to play with.
>
> Thank you!
> Matt
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
> > while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50 pound
> > thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I found it
> to
> > be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina in mild
> wind.
> > One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in addition
> to
> > having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That being said, I love
> > the idea of changing over to a proper electric outboard, something I may
> do
> > for this coming season.
> >
> > Steve
> > Misty Anne
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to be
> in
> > > the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling motor that
> > > provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it was but it
> could
> > > not handle much wind. Just getting out of the marina was challenging
> when
> > > the wind was above 7 knots. It took a while for it to get traction to
> > > overcome the wind and I started worrying that I was not going to make
> it
> > > back to my slip much less the lake. However, after going backwards a
> few
> > > slips it dug in and I was able to get out and have a great day on the
> > lake.
> > > After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably
> suits
> > my
> > > skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the water,
> > it
> > > did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> > >
> > > Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep
> the
> > > Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not
> fun.
> > > If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
> > >
> > > Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges are
> > due
> > > to lack of knowledge/experience.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > > Matt Wilson
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> > >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and
> am
> > > looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am
> > > wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling
> > motor)
> > > in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly using
> > it
> > > for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> > > occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > Matt Wilson
> > > Hornblower II
> > > White Bear Lake, MN
> > >
> >
>

From mike at traildesign.com  Tue Feb  8 13:10:52 2022
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 12:10:52 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
In-Reply-To: <E1nHUWS-00CnNE-El@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nHUWS-00CnNE-El@s152.servername.online>
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I don't mean to hijack Michael McKay's post, but since we're on the topic
of wind instruments. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with
Ultrasonic wind instruments. Being strictly a trailer sailer, I'm looking
for something that would stay on the mast when it's up or down. The wind
vane or spinning cup types don't seem to do well when the mast is stored in
the horizontal position and highway speed winds blow at them. Having to
take the wind instrument off and put it back on everytime I set up would
add more time to the mast raising and lower task.

Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 11:43 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> As I said, it's been several years, and unfortunately I don't really
> recall the details of my troubles with the SailTimer.  I recall having an
> issue with the built-in battery, and I was unable to get it set up to give
> me a useful wind direction (i.e. a bearing relative to my current course).
>
> At that time, there was only one model, and I haven't kept up with their
> development since.  Perhaps they've improved things, but a masthead windex
> and hand-held anemometer give the info I'm looking for with less complexity.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-02-07, at 22:31:26 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > I just reread your reply.  As it happens I have been seriously thinking
> about
> > getting the SailTimer RB wind instrument.  It seems that it would be a
> perfect
> > choice for a Rhodes 22.  Do you know which model you got, and could you
> > elaborate about the issues that you experienced?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
>

From retiredtoby at gmail.com  Tue Feb  8 13:28:32 2022
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 13:28:32 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
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In my reading of sailboats references I came across this bit of info. A
sailboat needs a minimum of ONE horsepower for every 550 pounds of ballast.
It seems that a Rhodes 22 should require a minimum of 6 HP. My Rhodes came
with an 8 HP. The previous owner said they had to deal with river currents
and tides not to mention wind issues.
Cary Tolbert
S/V Whisper '86
Claytor Lake, VA

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:04 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Well an 8 hp is like 180lbs thrust IIRC.
>
> Most of these boats have an 8, some have a 6.  I wouldn't think a 4hp would
> do much ...
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 10:46 AM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks guys,
> >
> > Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
> > recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget
> matters
> > but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is now missing, I
> > have some money to play with.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Matt
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
> > > while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50
> pound
> > > thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I found
> it
> > to
> > > be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina in mild
> > wind.
> > > One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in addition
> > to
> > > having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That being said, I
> love
> > > the idea of changing over to a proper electric outboard, something I
> may
> > do
> > > for this coming season.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > Misty Anne
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to
> be
> > in
> > > > the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling motor
> that
> > > > provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it was but it
> > could
> > > > not handle much wind. Just getting out of the marina was challenging
> > when
> > > > the wind was above 7 knots. It took a while for it to get traction to
> > > > overcome the wind and I started worrying that I was not going to make
> > it
> > > > back to my slip much less the lake. However, after going backwards a
> > few
> > > > slips it dug in and I was able to get out and have a great day on the
> > > lake.
> > > > After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably
> > suits
> > > my
> > > > skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the
> water,
> > > it
> > > > did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> > > >
> > > > Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep
> > the
> > > > Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not
> > fun.
> > > > If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
> > > >
> > > > Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges
> are
> > > due
> > > > to lack of knowledge/experience.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Matt Wilson
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> > > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and
> > am
> > > > looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am
> > > > wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling
> > > motor)
> > > > in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly
> using
> > > it
> > > > for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> > > > occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks,
> > > > Matt Wilson
> > > > Hornblower II
> > > > White Bear Lake, MN
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Tue Feb  8 15:29:34 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 15:29:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
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Several discussions have been logged on the list concerning electric propulsion.

A discussion about the Torqueedo sizes and capabilities starts at:
http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-June/084960.html
You may follow the thread by clicking on the "Next message" links.

The above thread was prompted by a discussion the previous month entitled "Torqueedo article" at:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-May/084857.html
The original link to the article is bad, but, the German version is still available at:
https://wasserwanderer.de/2020/05/23/wie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-travel-wirklich/
You can translate the text in 5000 character chunks using google translate to get the gist.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Matt Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:46 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor

Thanks guys,

Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget matters but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is now missing, I have some money to play with.

Thank you!
Matt

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks 
> while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50 
> pound thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I 
> found it to be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina in mild wind.
> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in 
> addition to having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That 
> being said, I love the idea of changing over to a proper electric 
> outboard, something I may do for this coming season.
>
> Steve
> Misty Anne
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to 
> > be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling 
> > motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it 
> > was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the 
> > marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a 
> > while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started 
> > worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less 
> > the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and I 
> > was able to get out and have a great day on the
> lake.
> > After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably 
> > suits
> my
> > skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the 
> > water,
> it
> > did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> >
> > Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep 
> > the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not fun.
> > If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
> >
> > Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges 
> > are
> due
> > to lack of knowledge/experience.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
> > Of Matt Wilson
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage 
> > and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in 
> > MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor 
> > (trolling
> motor)
> > in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly 
> > using
> it
> > for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would 
> > occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Matt Wilson
> > Hornblower II
> > White Bear Lake, MN
> >
>


From Joedempsey at hughes.net  Wed Feb  9 17:37:11 2022
From: Joedempsey at hughes.net (Joedempsey at hughes.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 17:37:11 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4412,
	Issue 1 (Posting Reply to thread)
Message-ID: <396f01d81e05$a3f594c0$ebe0be40$@hughes.net>

OK, this is from my email client via Outlook using the Reply tab. As you can
see, the entire Rhodes22 Digest copies in. I'm really confused. Sorry!

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (stan)
   2. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (Bob Garrant)
   3. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (RODNEY BROWN)
   4. Re: Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner (Mark West)
   5. Re: Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner (Jesse Shumaker)
   6. Re: Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner (Brian Ferguson)
   7. 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Jeff Smith Photo)
   8. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
   9. Re: Bilge Pump Questions (chuy carreon)
  10. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (stan)
  11. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (Rodney Brown)
  12. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Michael McKay)
  13. 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Jeff Smith Photo)
  14. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  15. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
  16. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  17. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
  18. Whisker Pole (Jeff Smith Photo)
  19. Re: Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
  20. Remote Control & Receiver available (Bob Garrant)
  21. Re: Tiller Pilot Recommendations (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
  22. Re: Tiller Pilot Recommendations (Peter Nyberg)
  23. Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a thread (RODNEY BROWN)
  24. Re: Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a	thread
      (Peter Nyberg)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:53:36 -0500
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
	sale
Message-ID: <8de80cc0-d089-5ada-1b2a-bf5b89401814 at generalboats.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Rodney,

This is Stan, builder of your boat.? Charles has been kind enough to 
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do 
so.? I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my 
first try since its repair; hope it's working.

While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner 
is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers 
your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours 
are best directed to me.? The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we 
come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have 
owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, 
not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.

Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the 
technicalities re this upgrading.

stan


On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney.



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 20:21:20 -0500
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
	sale
Message-ID:
	<CAPi3tBAGGVo_N=anLpEEGR2NfMZL5dSFJ_1SmMgn2yN4SZkhHQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Stan,
I would like to get the tiller/motor connector for my Rhodes 2000 that I
purchased from General Boats in 2017.
I previously purchased General Boats parts through Charles and the
transaction went very smoothly.
Regards,
Bob Garrant
Kent Island, MD

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:53 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Rodney,
>
> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
> handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
> so.  I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my
> first try since its repair; hope it's working.
>
> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
> is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers
> your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours
> are best directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we
> come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have
> owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you,
> not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.
>
> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
> technicalities re this upgrading.
>
> stan
>
>
> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> > Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
> wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rodney.
>
>

------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:53:11 -0600
From: RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
	sale
Message-ID: <851D5CB3-3CC7-4EA5-9FC5-732F005171DD at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on the
availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for your
help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
seemed to be ironed out.

Sincerely,

Rodney Brown 



> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> Rodney,
> 
> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do so.
I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first try
since its repair; hope it's working.
> 
> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner is,
and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your
questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best
directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with
a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with
what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
into how your year boat is built.
> 
> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
technicalities re this upgrading.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rodney.
> 



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 14:38:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID: <501660946.1340413.1643207922407 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Rodney Welcome to the Rhodes Family lots of knowledge ,Experience here to
help?
Mark and Connie Wesr? ?Hertford NC.?
S/V Fairwinds II? ? 89 Rhodes 22

-----Original Message-----
From: R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2022 6:09 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner

Hello from OKC :)? I purchased a 2001 Rhodes? a couple of weeks ago and had
a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to join?? 

Thanks, 

Rodney 

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 08:46:02 -0600
From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID:
	<CAMc-3fqoGFXrz5K-7fvwtcJyT70BS8YFs1nGh9WpeKfcxugHTQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Welcome Rodney!  There's a few other R22s in the midwest including one in
Kansas and a couple where I sail at Lake Manawa in Iowa.

Where do you sail in OKC?

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr


On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and
> had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to
> join?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:49:38 -0500
From: Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID:
	<CAPD+wLE+9zH7r_yJnyGEQD1R4cHqJF9_rw9576tuduRuA+RCPg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Rodney,
Welcome to the best owners club out there. I used to live in Lawton. I
figure you sail Lake Hefner. You might try sailing Lake Ellsworth for a
slightly different experience. The mountain down there plays with the wind
direction a little making for a fun challenge..

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 9:46 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Welcome Rodney!  There's a few other R22s in the midwest including one in
> Kansas and a couple where I sail at Lake Manawa in Iowa.
>
> Where do you sail in OKC?
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and
> > had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to
> > join?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rodney
>

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:54:15 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID:
	<CAM0HAmnx9XrnQSyXMTnxPWbiXSKE=iF059LNfhAsZvdZSqApdg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one end
and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
clips on to a bale on the mast.
<https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to prevent
rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
match the color scheme of Radiant.
https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole

Best regards,
Jeff Smith

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:08:43 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <0C7ED6DD-1B20-4A92-9786-F9A1958DDED7 at tds.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Very impressive Jeff, but nice and simple too. Can you explain or send a
photo of the bale set up?
Also, I am planning on setting up a simple jibe preventer for my downwind
journeys. Details of other systems gratefully received.
Graham
'sv 00Sailin? 


> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:54, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
> stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one
end
> and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
> pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
> clips on to a bale on the mast.
> <https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
> To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
> that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
> the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to
prevent
> rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
> match the color scheme of Radiant.
> https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff Smith



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:28:31 -0500 (EST)
From: chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Peter
	Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
Message-ID: <1282330450.3358047.1643214511558 at myemail.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Peter,
Like all the videos on your fixing projects on Silverheels. I will have to
locate the on the flooring.

Take care,
Chuy Carreon
Tempe, Arizona

> On January 24, 2022 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com
mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post. I can
think of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster. His
example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only in
the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is
configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is as
least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
> 
>     One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7:
https://youtu.be/VywOqYXqzYg) was to replace the plywood and carpet floor
installed by General Boat with oak flooring. This was high on my to-do list
because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the bilge is
easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks), it's a
quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
> 
>     Peter Nyberg
>     Coventry, CT
>     s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>         > > On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> > 
> >     > 
>         > > ...
> >         If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the
inflow of
> >         water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump. It?s really just an
insurance
> >         policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not
there.
> > 
> >     > 

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 20:37:16 -0500
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
	sale
Message-ID: <a9991296-74ff-56d2-d11b-c321998e3809 at generalboats.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed


Rodney and Crew,

Before I forget here is Charles direct contact info:

 ??? Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>

The info on your two initial items of interest is a mixed bag. The new 
traveler invention is one of those middle of the night inspirations that 
it turned out we can build all of, in-house. When we discovered that 
Yamaha had finally discovered sailboats and built a motor perfect for 
our needs (standard 20 inch long shaft, high thrust meaning low RPM 
motor sporting a larger 4 bladed sailboat pitch prop) along with both 
its speed and direction controls in a single fitting that mounts on the 
sailboat's tiller, we were in heaven.? We knew that coming up with a 
linkage system from the Rhodes rudder head to that motor is what we do 
in our sleep and we are going to have an outboard auxiliary set up like 
no other. And we did; and owners loved it.?? But
 ?? ??? ???? to be continued? . . . .

ss


On 1/25/22 8:53 PM, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
> Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on
the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for your
help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
seemed to be ironed out.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rodney Brown
>
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rodney,
>>
>> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do so.
I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first try
since its repair; hope it's working.
>>
>> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner is,
and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your
questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best
directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with
a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with
what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
into how your year boat is built.
>>
>> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
technicalities re this upgrading.
>>
>> stan
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
>>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rodney.
> .



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 19:38:39 -0600
From: Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
	sale
Message-ID:
	<CA+k9M44XWC6XN9rff54+PyZGov9t8+-vPPi69k+q+knMGSB=ig at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Stan!  Appreciate you sending this ?

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 19:37 stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Rodney and Crew,
>
> Before I forget here is Charles direct contact info:
>
>      Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>
> The info on your two initial items of interest is a mixed bag. The new
> traveler invention is one of those middle of the night inspirations that
> it turned out we can build all of, in-house. When we discovered that
> Yamaha had finally discovered sailboats and built a motor perfect for
> our needs (standard 20 inch long shaft, high thrust meaning low RPM
> motor sporting a larger 4 bladed sailboat pitch prop) along with both
> its speed and direction controls in a single fitting that mounts on the
> sailboat's tiller, we were in heaven.  We knew that coming up with a
> linkage system from the Rhodes rudder head to that motor is what we do
> in our sleep and we are going to have an outboard auxiliary set up like
> no other. And we did; and owners loved it.   But
>              to be continued  . . . .
>
> ss
>
>
> On 1/25/22 8:53 PM, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
> > Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on
> the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for
your
> help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
> seemed to be ironed out.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Rodney Brown
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rodney,
> >>
> >> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
> handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
> so.  I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first
> try since its repair; hope it's working.
> >>
> >> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
> is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers
your
> questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are
best
> directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up
with
> a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar
with
> what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
> into how your year boat is built.
> >>
> >> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
> technicalities re this upgrading.
> >>
> >> stan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> >>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
> wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Rodney.
> > .
>
>

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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 23:06:03 -0500
From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <920EF391-4C52-40F7-A77A-679007526E4C at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Jeff, 

Thanks for sharing this.  I have been hoping to add a whisker pole to my
boat.  

Question: did you rig guys to control the position of the pole or do you
just use the jib sheets?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> ?Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
> stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one
end
> and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
> pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
> clips on to a bale on the mast.
> <https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
> To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
> that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
> the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to
prevent
> rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
> match the color scheme of Radiant.
> https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff Smith


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:01:59 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID:
	<CAM0HAmmL_O4WREwQFSKHUZTQQkhDVDVdwyvDjdUUn5nXreBc6Q at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/
I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
Cell: 732-236-1368
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:41:09 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi All,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both poles
are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In light air,
the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need the topping
lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.
Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and
cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the vang to
hold the clew of the headsail down.

Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap
shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an
end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size
boat, especially in heavy air.

When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted
on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low
and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at
anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.
This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up
there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with
Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it
works very well for cruising.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:02 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

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I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:53:03 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <FA59A3D9-A020-48BF-BFAB-530CB56C7A40 at tds.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Thanks Jeff,
 A photo (or in this case, photos) is worth a thousand words.
I still have a question though. 
Why am I seeing two bulbous coverings of blue tape when I only see one
bulbous spot on the origin pole. Is that just for storage against the mast?
Stan, if your computer is working, I would love to see your thoughts on the
use of a whisker pole when wing on wing and also your thoughts on using a
jibe preventer?
 Any thoughts from other Rhodies obviously welcome too!
G

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 10:01, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/
> I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
> idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
> have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the
shots
> shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
> top of the jib.
> I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
> post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
> Cell: 732-236-1368
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:55:15 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi All,

The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium flying her triradial
spinnaker on a light air close reach.  You can see the topping lift attached
to the double bridle on the spinnaker pole and led to a block on the mast at
about ? mast height.  From there, the topping lift is led down the mast and
back to the cockpit.  The vang is not rigged in this light air shot.  The
spinnaker pole is almost touching the forestay on this close reach.

Note how the sail is fully inflated despite the lack of wind.

You can also see the spinnaker snuffer sock all bunched up at the head of
the spinnaker.  I think the whisker pole was stowed down below in the cabin
in this shot.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:41 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

Hi All,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both poles
are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In light air,
the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need the topping
lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.
Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and
cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the vang to
hold the clew of the headsail down.

Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap
shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an
end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size
boat, especially in heavy air.

When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted
on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low
and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at
anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.
This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up
there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with
Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it
works very well for cruising.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:02 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffsmi
thphoto.net%2FBoats%2FWhisker-Boat-Pole%2Fn-WnpmmF%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C
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I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:00:10 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi Roger,.
 That sounds like a great set up although I am too nervous a sailor to
consider a spinnaker. However I really would like to figure a way to use a
vang and/or preventer for the main on downwind runs. Any ideas or photos
anyone?
Graham
'sv 00Sailin' 

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 11:55, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium flying her triradial
spinnaker on a light air close reach.  You can see the topping lift attached
to the double bridle on the spinnaker pole and led to a block on the mast at
about ? mast height.  From there, the topping lift is led down the mast and
back to the cockpit.  The vang is not rigged in this light air shot.  The
spinnaker pole is almost touching the forestay on this close reach.
> 
> Note how the sail is fully inflated despite the lack of wind.
> 
> You can also see the spinnaker snuffer sock all bunched up at the head of
the spinnaker.  I think the whisker pole was stowed down below in the cabin
in this shot.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D81374.5EDD86E0]
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:41 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both
poles are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In
light air, the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need
the topping lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to
inflate.  Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise
up and cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the
vang to hold the clew of the headsail down.
> 
> Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap
shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an
end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size
boat, especially in heavy air.
> 
> When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted
on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low
and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at
anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.
This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up
there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with
Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it
works very well for cruising.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
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> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
> 
>
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffsmi
thphoto.net%2FBoats%2FWhisker-Boat-Pole%2Fn-WnpmmF%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C
c8f1b0f4ab7b4ef4cb2f08d9e1b3d411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%
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> I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
> idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
> have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the
shots
> shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
> top of the jib.
> I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
> post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 07:52:55 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
noodles) was added to further stop rattling.  They may also keep the pole
from sinking should it go overboard.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:28:27 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <3C20E078-6D93-473B-9892-9883E743BCC2 at tds.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> ?The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
> noodles) was added to further stop rattling.  They may also keep the pole
> from sinking should it go overboard.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368



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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:34:34 -0500
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Remote Control & Receiver available
Message-ID:
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I have a remote control & receiver available if someone needs it.
I purchased to replace the remote control for the electric motor lift that
came with Rhodes. The existing one was not reliable.
 I then decided to have up-down switches installed next to the outboard
since I wanted to be next to the outboard as I was raising or lowering the
motor.
The package includes a remote fob, a received and instructions for
installation and troubleshooting.
See the attached picture.

Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 16:36:49 -0500
From: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Hi Roger,

I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping
to get some additional advice before I start.  

1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard coaming
pocket?
2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that
and connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an
inline fuse is required in either case.

I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the Tiller
Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.

Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!

Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 9:13 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike,

I?ve had a Raymarine ST1000+ Tiller Pilot on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium for
about 15 years.  I found it most convenient to use the Raymarine Pedestal
Socket to mount the ST1000+ onto the top of the gunnel.  I believe I used
the shortest socket assembly 38 mm (P/N: D026) to adjust the vertical
position to level out the ST1000+ relative to the tiller.  But, you should
measure your boat before ordering this part.  If the ST1000+ is not level
relative to the tiller; then, the geometry changes as the actuator strokes
and the effective gain of the controller will not be constant.  Variable
controller gain is not conducive to holding a steady course.  You will also
need some pushrod extensions.  I believe I used the 152 mm (P/N: D008) + the
25 mm (P/N: D003) pushrod extensions.  But, again, you should measure your
boat before ordering these parts.  On the tiller, I used the standard tiller
pin, epoxied in place.  Be careful to get compound angle of the pin correct
on the tiller when yo
 u drill the hole.  Remember you only get one chance to drill this hole
correctly.  If you screw it up; then, the tiller is ruined!  You want the
pin to be vertical with the tiller fully lowered and located 460 mm from the
centerline of the rudder?s pintles.  The Pedestal Socket comes with a big
backing plate to facilitate thru bolting.  I did not reinforce the gunnel
and have had no issues with structural failure.  I mounted the waterproof
plug and socket on the side of the cockpit coaming aft of the ST1000, so it
would not obstruct seating while the ST1000+ is in use.

If you only want to use your ST1000+ as a basic autopilot with no
communication to other instruments via the Seatalk bus or NMEA 0183 bus;
then, all you need to provide is 12 amps DC power.  The circuit should be
separately fused.  If you want to use the hand held remote &/or communicate
with other instruments; then, contact me off the list and I will try to
assist.

Basically, it?s a pretty easy installation although there are a few
potential booby traps.  The supplied owner?s handbook is pretty good.  If
you take your time, follow the instructions, and measure twice/cut once;
then, you?ll be fine.  It?s a very useful accessory and I really like mine.
It?s been totally bulletproof.

My ST1000+ does best on points of sail forward of the beam, ie beam reaching
up to close hauled.  On points of sail aft of the beam, ie broad reach to a
run, there is usually a following sea.  When that following sea is hitting
the boat from a stern quarter, it requires the helmsman to anticipate the
effect of a wave by counter steering as the wave is passing under the boat.
The ST1000+ (Or any autopilot) has no way to anticipate anything.  So, it?s
always in reactive mode and the steered course can look a little wobbly.  It
helps to reduce sail area and distribute the sail area fore/aft to keep the
helm balanced.  Of course, these are conditions that require the most skill
and attention from a human helmsman as well.  The ST1000+ is not as good at
maintaining a downwind course as a skilled helmsman who is paying attention.
But, it?s better than a newby helmsman or a tired &/or inattentive helmsman.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Ric,

I'm afraid to ask what you do that you could not do without it. ;-)

I love mine, too.  And to think that I used to use a "tiller jock" to lock
the tiller in place when I single handed with my two year old. With the
autopilot, we could have both been sailing from the bow with our feet in the
water using the remote to steer!

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric
Stott
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Love love love my Raymarine autotiller.
Could not do what I do without it.
Ric
sv Dadventure

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> ?I have the Raymarine ST1000.  Actually, I depend on it so heavily, that I
have two.  I have had one stop working.  I sent it back to Raymarine and
they fixed it a no cost.
>
> Attached is a document created by Bill Wickman about his installation of
the ST1000.  I followed this pretty closely.  However, at the point where
the tiller pilot attaches to the cockpit combing, he said he found the
fiberglass to be thick, and needed no reinforcement.  I found the fiberglass
to be quite thin at the point, and epoxied in a block of 3/4? thick
hardwood.
>
> I have no experience with the Simrad.
>
> Good luck with your project.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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>> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:13 PM, MichaelM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I'm hoping to install a Raymarine or Simrad tiller pilot in my boat.
>>
>> Can you share your experience with either unit and what challenges if
>> any did you encountered during the installation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
>




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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 14:59:25 -0800
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
Message-ID: <E1nEfdt-00Bvnu-HL at s152.servername.online>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Mike, 

I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.

First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of a
Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/TillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf

To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.
It seems to me that would be redundant.

As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft
panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the
starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
drilling a hole into the cockpit.

Best of luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
> 
> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping
to 
> get some additional advice before I start. 
> 
> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
coaming 
> pocket? 
> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that
and 
> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an inline
fuse 
> is required in either case. 
> 
> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
Tiller 
> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day. 
> 
> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:29:23 -0600
From: RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a
	thread
Message-ID: <7E184FF7-C63C-4A5B-AD11-FE79C7258E6B at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive view,
I can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Rodney 




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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 18:45:36 -0800
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to
	a	thread
Message-ID: <E1nF5eK-002Z5H-7e at s152.servername.online>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Rodney,

Although you can see the archive of messages in a web page, this is strictly
an email list*.  The only way to start new threads or respond to an existing
thread is by sending an email to the list.  

Are you getting postings from the list in your email inbox?

--Peter

* This may change in the future, but at its core, it will still be an email
list.

> On 2022-02-01, at 20:29:23 EST, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
>
> Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive
view, I 
> can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?  Any
help 
> would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Rodney
> 
> 
> 



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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Wed Feb  9 17:50:36 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 17:50:36 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4412,
	Issue 1 (Posting Reply to thread)
In-Reply-To: <396f01d81e05$a3f594c0$ebe0be40$@hughes.net>
References: <396f01d81e05$a3f594c0$ebe0be40$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <004b01d81e07$74c595e0$5e50c1a0$@ebsmed.com>

Joe,

This is exactly what I would expect if you are using the digest format. If
you wish to be able to reply to individual posts, change your setting to
"not digest mode".

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I'd rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
Joedempsey at hughes.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 5:37 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4412, Issue 1
(Posting Reply to thread)

OK, this is from my email client via Outlook using the Reply tab. As you can
see, the entire Rhodes22 Digest copies in. I'm really confused. Sorry!

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (stan)
   2. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (Bob Garrant)
   3. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (RODNEY BROWN)
   4. Re: Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner (Mark West)
   5. Re: Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner (Jesse Shumaker)
   6. Re: Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner (Brian Ferguson)
   7. 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Jeff Smith Photo)
   8. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
   9. Re: Bilge Pump Questions (chuy carreon)
  10. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (stan)
  11. Re: Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for sale (Rodney Brown)
  12. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Michael McKay)
  13. 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Jeff Smith Photo)
  14. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  15. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
  16. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  17. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
  18. Whisker Pole (Jeff Smith Photo)
  19. Re: Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
  20. Remote Control & Receiver available (Bob Garrant)
  21. Re: Tiller Pilot Recommendations (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
  22. Re: Tiller Pilot Recommendations (Peter Nyberg)
  23. Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a thread (RODNEY BROWN)
  24. Re: Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a	thread
      (Peter Nyberg)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:53:36 -0500
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
	sale
Message-ID: <8de80cc0-d089-5ada-1b2a-bf5b89401814 at generalboats.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Rodney,

This is Stan, builder of your boat.? Charles has been kind enough to 
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do 
so.? I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my 
first try since its repair; hope it's working.

While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner 
is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers 
your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours 
are best directed to me.? The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we 
come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have 
owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, 
not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.

Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the 
technicalities re this upgrading.

stan


On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 20:21:20 -0500
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
	sale
Message-ID:
	<CAPi3tBAGGVo_N=anLpEEGR2NfMZL5dSFJ_1SmMgn2yN4SZkhHQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Stan,
I would like to get the tiller/motor connector for my Rhodes 2000 that I
purchased from General Boats in 2017.
I previously purchased General Boats parts through Charles and the
transaction went very smoothly.
Regards,
Bob Garrant
Kent Island, MD

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:53 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Rodney,
>
> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
> handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
> so.  I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my
> first try since its repair; hope it's working.
>
> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
> is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers
> your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours
> are best directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we
> come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have
> owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you,
> not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.
>
> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
> technicalities re this upgrading.
>
> stan
>
>
> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> > Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
> wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rodney.
>
>

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:53:11 -0600
From: RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
	sale
Message-ID: <851D5CB3-3CC7-4EA5-9FC5-732F005171DD at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on the
availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for your
help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
seemed to be ironed out.

Sincerely,

Rodney Brown 



> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> 
> Rodney,
> 
> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do so.
I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first try
since its repair; hope it's working.
> 
> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner is,
and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your
questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best
directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with
a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with
what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
into how your year boat is built.
> 
> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
technicalities re this upgrading.
> 
> stan
> 
> 
> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Rodney.
> 



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 14:38:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID: <501660946.1340413.1643207922407 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Rodney Welcome to the Rhodes Family lots of knowledge ,Experience here to
help?
Mark and Connie Wesr? ?Hertford NC.?
S/V Fairwinds II? ? 89 Rhodes 22

-----Original Message-----
From: R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2022 6:09 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner

Hello from OKC :)? I purchased a 2001 Rhodes? a couple of weeks ago and had
a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to join?? 

Thanks, 

Rodney 

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 08:46:02 -0600
From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID:
	<CAMc-3fqoGFXrz5K-7fvwtcJyT70BS8YFs1nGh9WpeKfcxugHTQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Welcome Rodney!  There's a few other R22s in the midwest including one in
Kansas and a couple where I sail at Lake Manawa in Iowa.

Where do you sail in OKC?

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr


On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and
> had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to
> join?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:49:38 -0500
From: Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID:
	<CAPD+wLE+9zH7r_yJnyGEQD1R4cHqJF9_rw9576tuduRuA+RCPg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Rodney,
Welcome to the best owners club out there. I used to live in Lawton. I
figure you sail Lake Hefner. You might try sailing Lake Ellsworth for a
slightly different experience. The mountain down there plays with the wind
direction a little making for a fun challenge..

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 9:46 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Welcome Rodney!  There's a few other R22s in the midwest including one in
> Kansas and a couple where I sail at Lake Manawa in Iowa.
>
> Where do you sail in OKC?
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and
> > had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to
> > join?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rodney
>

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:54:15 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID:
	<CAM0HAmnx9XrnQSyXMTnxPWbiXSKE=iF059LNfhAsZvdZSqApdg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one end
and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
clips on to a bale on the mast.
<https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to prevent
rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
match the color scheme of Radiant.
https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole

Best regards,
Jeff Smith

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:08:43 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <0C7ED6DD-1B20-4A92-9786-F9A1958DDED7 at tds.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Very impressive Jeff, but nice and simple too. Can you explain or send a
photo of the bale set up?
Also, I am planning on setting up a simple jibe preventer for my downwind
journeys. Details of other systems gratefully received.
Graham
'sv 00Sailin? 


> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:54, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
> stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one
end
> and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
> pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
> clips on to a bale on the mast.
> <https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
> To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
> that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
> the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to
prevent
> rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
> match the color scheme of Radiant.
> https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff Smith



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:28:31 -0500 (EST)
From: chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Peter
	Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
Message-ID: <1282330450.3358047.1643214511558 at myemail.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Peter,
Like all the videos on your fixing projects on Silverheels. I will have to
locate the on the flooring.

Take care,
Chuy Carreon
Tempe, Arizona

> On January 24, 2022 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com
mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com > wrote:
> 
> 
>     I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post. I can
think of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster. His
example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only in
the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is
configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is as
least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
> 
>     One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7:
https://youtu.be/VywOqYXqzYg) was to replace the plywood and carpet floor
installed by General Boat with oak flooring. This was high on my to-do list
because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the bilge is
easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks), it's a
quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
> 
>     Peter Nyberg
>     Coventry, CT
>     s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
> 
>         > > On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> > 
> >     > 
>         > > ...
> >         If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the
inflow of
> >         water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump. It?s really just an
insurance
> >         policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not
there.
> > 
> >     > 

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 20:37:16 -0500
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
	sale
Message-ID: <a9991296-74ff-56d2-d11b-c321998e3809 at generalboats.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed


Rodney and Crew,

Before I forget here is Charles direct contact info:

 ??? Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>

The info on your two initial items of interest is a mixed bag. The new 
traveler invention is one of those middle of the night inspirations that 
it turned out we can build all of, in-house. When we discovered that 
Yamaha had finally discovered sailboats and built a motor perfect for 
our needs (standard 20 inch long shaft, high thrust meaning low RPM 
motor sporting a larger 4 bladed sailboat pitch prop) along with both 
its speed and direction controls in a single fitting that mounts on the 
sailboat's tiller, we were in heaven.? We knew that coming up with a 
linkage system from the Rhodes rudder head to that motor is what we do 
in our sleep and we are going to have an outboard auxiliary set up like 
no other. And we did; and owners loved it.?? But
 ?? ??? ???? to be continued? . . . .

ss


On 1/25/22 8:53 PM, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
> Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on
the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for your
help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
seemed to be ironed out.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rodney Brown
>
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rodney,
>>
>> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do so.
I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first try
since its repair; hope it's working.
>>
>> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner is,
and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your
questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best
directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with
a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with
what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
into how your year boat is built.
>>
>> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
technicalities re this upgrading.
>>
>> stan
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
>>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rodney.
> .



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 19:38:39 -0600
From: Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
	sale
Message-ID:
	<CA+k9M44XWC6XN9rff54+PyZGov9t8+-vPPi69k+q+knMGSB=ig at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Stan!  Appreciate you sending this ?

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 19:37 stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Rodney and Crew,
>
> Before I forget here is Charles direct contact info:
>
>      Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>
> The info on your two initial items of interest is a mixed bag. The new
> traveler invention is one of those middle of the night inspirations that
> it turned out we can build all of, in-house. When we discovered that
> Yamaha had finally discovered sailboats and built a motor perfect for
> our needs (standard 20 inch long shaft, high thrust meaning low RPM
> motor sporting a larger 4 bladed sailboat pitch prop) along with both
> its speed and direction controls in a single fitting that mounts on the
> sailboat's tiller, we were in heaven.  We knew that coming up with a
> linkage system from the Rhodes rudder head to that motor is what we do
> in our sleep and we are going to have an outboard auxiliary set up like
> no other. And we did; and owners loved it.   But
>              to be continued  . . . .
>
> ss
>
>
> On 1/25/22 8:53 PM, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
> > Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on
> the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for
your
> help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
> seemed to be ironed out.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Rodney Brown
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rodney,
> >>
> >> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
> handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
> so.  I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first
> try since its repair; hope it's working.
> >>
> >> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
> is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers
your
> questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are
best
> directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up
with
> a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar
with
> what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
> into how your year boat is built.
> >>
> >> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
> technicalities re this upgrading.
> >>
> >> stan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> >>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
> wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Rodney.
> > .
>
>

------------------------------

Message: 12
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 23:06:03 -0500
From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <920EF391-4C52-40F7-A77A-679007526E4C at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Jeff, 

Thanks for sharing this.  I have been hoping to add a whisker pole to my
boat.  

Question: did you rig guys to control the position of the pole or do you
just use the jib sheets?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> ?Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
> stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one
end
> and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
> pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
> clips on to a bale on the mast.
> <https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/>.
> To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
> that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
> the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to
prevent
> rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
> match the color scheme of Radiant.
> https://www.truevalue.com/6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff Smith


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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:01:59 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID:
	<CAM0HAmmL_O4WREwQFSKHUZTQQkhDVDVdwyvDjdUUn5nXreBc6Q at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/
I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
Cell: 732-236-1368
Atlantic Highlands, NJ

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:41:09 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID:
	
<CH2PR02MB69203A93618B0B529ED200D580219 at CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.
com>
	
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"

Hi All,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both poles
are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In light air,
the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need the topping
lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.
Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and
cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the vang to
hold the clew of the headsail down.

Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap
shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an
end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size
boat, especially in heavy air.

When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted
on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low
and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at
anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.
This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up
there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with
Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it
works very well for cruising.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: Jeff Smith Photo<mailto:jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:02 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

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I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:53:03 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Thanks Jeff,
 A photo (or in this case, photos) is worth a thousand words.
I still have a question though. 
Why am I seeing two bulbous coverings of blue tape when I only see one
bulbous spot on the origin pole. Is that just for storage against the mast?
Stan, if your computer is working, I would love to see your thoughts on the
use of a whisker pole when wing on wing and also your thoughts on using a
jibe preventer?
 Any thoughts from other Rhodies obviously welcome too!
G

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 10:01, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> https://www.jeffsmithphoto.net/Boats/Whisker-Boat-Pole/n-WnpmmF/
> I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
> idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
> have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the
shots
> shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
> top of the jib.
> I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
> post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> w <http://NJphoto.Net>ww.jeffsmithphoto.net
> Cell: 732-236-1368
> Atlantic Highlands, NJ



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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:55:15 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi All,

The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium flying her triradial
spinnaker on a light air close reach.  You can see the topping lift attached
to the double bridle on the spinnaker pole and led to a block on the mast at
about ? mast height.  From there, the topping lift is led down the mast and
back to the cockpit.  The vang is not rigged in this light air shot.  The
spinnaker pole is almost touching the forestay on this close reach.

Note how the sail is fully inflated despite the lack of wind.

You can also see the spinnaker snuffer sock all bunched up at the head of
the spinnaker.  I think the whisker pole was stowed down below in the cabin
in this shot.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:41 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

Hi All,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both poles
are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In light air,
the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need the topping
lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.
Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and
cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the vang to
hold the clew of the headsail down.

Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap
shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an
end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size
boat, especially in heavy air.

When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted
on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low
and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at
anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.
This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up
there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with
Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it
works very well for cruising.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 7:02 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole

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I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
JeffSmithPhoto.Net
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:00:10 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi Roger,.
 That sounds like a great set up although I am too nervous a sailor to
consider a spinnaker. However I really would like to figure a way to use a
vang and/or preventer for the main on downwind runs. Any ideas or photos
anyone?
Graham
'sv 00Sailin' 

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 11:55, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium flying her triradial
spinnaker on a light air close reach.  You can see the topping lift attached
to the double bridle on the spinnaker pole and led to a block on the mast at
about ? mast height.  From there, the topping lift is led down the mast and
back to the cockpit.  The vang is not rigged in this light air shot.  The
spinnaker pole is almost touching the forestay on this close reach.
> 
> Note how the sail is fully inflated despite the lack of wind.
> 
> You can also see the spinnaker snuffer sock all bunched up at the head of
the spinnaker.  I think the whisker pole was stowed down below in the cabin
in this shot.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D81374.5EDD86E0]
> 
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
> 
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:41 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both
poles are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In
light air, the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need
the topping lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to
inflate.  Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise
up and cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the
vang to hold the clew of the headsail down.
> 
> Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap
shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an
end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size
boat, especially in heavy air.
> 
> When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted
on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low
and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at
anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.
This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up
there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with
Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it
works very well for cruising.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 
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> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
> 
>
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffsmi
thphoto.net%2FBoats%2FWhisker-Boat-Pole%2Fn-WnpmmF%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C
c8f1b0f4ab7b4ef4cb2f08d9e1b3d411%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%
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> I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
> idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
> have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the
shots
> shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
> top of the jib.
> I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
> post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.
> 
> Best regards,
> Jeff
> JeffSmithPhoto.Net
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 07:52:55 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
noodles) was added to further stop rattling.  They may also keep the pole
from sinking should it go overboard.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
732-236-1368

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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:28:27 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> ?The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
> noodles) was added to further stop rattling.  They may also keep the pole
> from sinking should it go overboard.
> 
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
> www.http://JeffSmithPhoto.Net
> 732-236-1368



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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:34:34 -0500
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Remote Control & Receiver available
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I have a remote control & receiver available if someone needs it.
I purchased to replace the remote control for the electric motor lift that
came with Rhodes. The existing one was not reliable.
 I then decided to have up-down switches installed next to the outboard
since I wanted to be next to the outboard as I was raising or lowering the
motor.
The package includes a remote fob, a received and instructions for
installation and troubleshooting.
See the attached picture.

Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 16:36:49 -0500
From: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Hi Roger,

I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping
to get some additional advice before I start.  

1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard coaming
pocket?
2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that
and connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an
inline fuse is required in either case.

I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the Tiller
Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.

Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!

Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA



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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 9:13 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike,

I?ve had a Raymarine ST1000+ Tiller Pilot on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium for
about 15 years.  I found it most convenient to use the Raymarine Pedestal
Socket to mount the ST1000+ onto the top of the gunnel.  I believe I used
the shortest socket assembly 38 mm (P/N: D026) to adjust the vertical
position to level out the ST1000+ relative to the tiller.  But, you should
measure your boat before ordering this part.  If the ST1000+ is not level
relative to the tiller; then, the geometry changes as the actuator strokes
and the effective gain of the controller will not be constant.  Variable
controller gain is not conducive to holding a steady course.  You will also
need some pushrod extensions.  I believe I used the 152 mm (P/N: D008) + the
25 mm (P/N: D003) pushrod extensions.  But, again, you should measure your
boat before ordering these parts.  On the tiller, I used the standard tiller
pin, epoxied in place.  Be careful to get compound angle of the pin correct
on the tiller when yo
 u drill the hole.  Remember you only get one chance to drill this hole
correctly.  If you screw it up; then, the tiller is ruined!  You want the
pin to be vertical with the tiller fully lowered and located 460 mm from the
centerline of the rudder?s pintles.  The Pedestal Socket comes with a big
backing plate to facilitate thru bolting.  I did not reinforce the gunnel
and have had no issues with structural failure.  I mounted the waterproof
plug and socket on the side of the cockpit coaming aft of the ST1000, so it
would not obstruct seating while the ST1000+ is in use.

If you only want to use your ST1000+ as a basic autopilot with no
communication to other instruments via the Seatalk bus or NMEA 0183 bus;
then, all you need to provide is 12 amps DC power.  The circuit should be
separately fused.  If you want to use the hand held remote &/or communicate
with other instruments; then, contact me off the list and I will try to
assist.

Basically, it?s a pretty easy installation although there are a few
potential booby traps.  The supplied owner?s handbook is pretty good.  If
you take your time, follow the instructions, and measure twice/cut once;
then, you?ll be fine.  It?s a very useful accessory and I really like mine.
It?s been totally bulletproof.

My ST1000+ does best on points of sail forward of the beam, ie beam reaching
up to close hauled.  On points of sail aft of the beam, ie broad reach to a
run, there is usually a following sea.  When that following sea is hitting
the boat from a stern quarter, it requires the helmsman to anticipate the
effect of a wave by counter steering as the wave is passing under the boat.
The ST1000+ (Or any autopilot) has no way to anticipate anything.  So, it?s
always in reactive mode and the steered course can look a little wobbly.  It
helps to reduce sail area and distribute the sail area fore/aft to keep the
helm balanced.  Of course, these are conditions that require the most skill
and attention from a human helmsman as well.  The ST1000+ is not as good at
maintaining a downwind course as a skilled helmsman who is paying attention.
But, it?s better than a newby helmsman or a tired &/or inattentive helmsman.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Ric,

I'm afraid to ask what you do that you could not do without it. ;-)

I love mine, too.  And to think that I used to use a "tiller jock" to lock
the tiller in place when I single handed with my two year old. With the
autopilot, we could have both been sailing from the bow with our feet in the
water using the remote to steer!

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric
Stott
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Love love love my Raymarine autotiller.
Could not do what I do without it.
Ric
sv Dadventure

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> ?I have the Raymarine ST1000.  Actually, I depend on it so heavily, that I
have two.  I have had one stop working.  I sent it back to Raymarine and
they fixed it a no cost.
>
> Attached is a document created by Bill Wickman about his installation of
the ST1000.  I followed this pretty closely.  However, at the point where
the tiller pilot attaches to the cockpit combing, he said he found the
fiberglass to be thick, and needed no reinforcement.  I found the fiberglass
to be quite thin at the point, and epoxied in a block of 3/4? thick
hardwood.
>
> I have no experience with the Simrad.
>
> Good luck with your project.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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>> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:13 PM, MichaelM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm hoping to install a Raymarine or Simrad tiller pilot in my boat.
>>
>> Can you share your experience with either unit and what challenges if
>> any did you encountered during the installation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sent from: http://rhodes-22.1065344.n5.nabble.com/
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 14:59:25 -0800
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
Message-ID: <E1nEfdt-00Bvnu-HL at s152.servername.online>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Mike, 

I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.

First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of a
Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/TillerPilotSetuponRhodes22.pdf

To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.
It seems to me that would be redundant.

As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft
panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the
starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
drilling a hole into the cockpit.

Best of luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
> 
> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping
to 
> get some additional advice before I start. 
> 
> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
coaming 
> pocket? 
> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that
and 
> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an inline
fuse 
> is required in either case. 
> 
> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
Tiller 
> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day. 
> 
> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
> 
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:29:23 -0600
From: RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a
	thread
Message-ID: <7E184FF7-C63C-4A5B-AD11-FE79C7258E6B at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=utf-8

Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive view,
I can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Rodney 




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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 18:45:36 -0800
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> 
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to
	a	thread
Message-ID: <E1nF5eK-002Z5H-7e at s152.servername.online>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Rodney,

Although you can see the archive of messages in a web page, this is strictly
an email list*.  The only way to start new threads or respond to an existing
thread is by sending an email to the list.  

Are you getting postings from the list in your email inbox?

--Peter

* This may change in the future, but at its core, it will still be an email
list.

> On 2022-02-01, at 20:29:23 EST, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
>
> Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive
view, I 
> can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?  Any
help 
> would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> Rodney
> 
> 
> 



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From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 18:22:19 2022
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 15:22:19 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Tongue Extension Made Easy
Message-ID: <E1nHwHz-009qvi-11@s152.servername.online>

In the past when I needed to extend or retract the trailer tongue extension I would unhook from the car. My extension was so hard to do by hand I bought a come-along to move it back and forth. I realized recently when I pulled my boat I did not need to unhook from the car. The come-along easily rolled the boat back and forth while extending and retracting the tongue. 


From mitchpadl at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 20:32:12 2022
From: mitchpadl at gmail.com (Mitch Mitchell)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 18:32:12 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Tongue Extension Made Easy
In-Reply-To: <E1nHwHz-009qvi-11@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nHwHz-009qvi-11@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <57A953E3-11AC-4226-B3A9-281F04991587@gmail.com>

Mine was really hard to move so I put chocks in front of or behind the wheels and use the truck to pull or push it in place all while the boat is on the trailer. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 9, 2022, at 4:22 PM, George Morgan <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?In the past when I needed to extend or retract the trailer tongue extension I would unhook from the car. My extension was so hard to do by hand I bought a come-along to move it back and forth. I realized recently when I pulled my boat I did not need to unhook from the car. The come-along easily rolled the boat back and forth while extending and retracting the tongue. 
> 

From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca  Wed Feb  9 20:33:04 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 20:33:04 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Tongue Extension Made Easy
In-Reply-To: <E1nHwHz-009qvi-11@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nHwHz-009qvi-11@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <022e01d81e1e$28052e70$780f8b50$@ca>

How is the come-along winch attached to the trailer?

Graham Stewart
gstewart8 at cogeco.ca






-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of George Morgan
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 6:22 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Tongue Extension Made Easy

In the past when I needed to extend or retract the trailer tongue extension I would unhook from the car. My extension was so hard to do by hand I bought a come-along to move it back and forth. I realized recently when I pulled my boat I did not need to unhook from the car. The come-along easily rolled the boat back and forth while extending and retracting the tongue. 


From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Wed Feb  9 21:21:38 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 18:21:38 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4412,
	Issue 1 (Posting Reply to thread)
Message-ID: <E1nHz5W-005NEj-Eq@s152.servername.online>

Joe,

I was in the midst of composing a much longer reply than Mike's, when I got called away to dinner.  It basically said the same thing, using many more words.

Your email app is behaving the way that Mike and I would expect it to, but apparently not the way you would expect it to. 

The world of internet based communications is always changing, and quite frankly, I am not keeping up with it.  I don't do Instagram, Tik-Tok, Twitter, or even Facebook.  So, I'm still quite comfortable with the ways and means of email, but other people may be coming to this from a different point of view.

Anyway, I'm uncertain as to the source of your confusion.  If you could explain what you expected to happen when you hit the 'reply' button, I could attempt to explain why the result was something else.

Oh, and Mike, you could have deleted the whole digest content from your reply to Joe, so as not to further clutter up the archives :-)

--Peter

> On 2022-02-09, at 17:37:11 EST, Joedempsey at hughes.net wrote:
>
> OK, this is from my email client via Outlook using the Reply tab. As you can 
> see, the entire Rhodes22 Digest copies in. I'm really confused. Sorry! 
> 
> 


From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 21:29:46 2022
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 18:29:46 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Tongue Extension Made Easy
Message-ID: <E1nHzDO-005yV5-Or@s152.servername.online>

Mitch,

I?ve tried using the car to move the tongue, but it?s really difficult to line up the holes for the pins. With the come-along I?m standing right above the holes and it?s so easy to line everything up. 

From gmorgan.flier at gmail.com  Wed Feb  9 21:52:00 2022
From: gmorgan.flier at gmail.com (George Morgan)
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2022 18:52:00 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Tongue Extension Made Easy
Message-ID: <E1nHzYu-007Qpt-IU@s152.servername.online>

Graham,

To extend the tongue I attach one end of the come-along to the open rear end of the tongue and the other to some part of the trailer toward the front. My tongue is cut off and doesn?t extend all the way back to the holder on the trailer frame, so attaching the come-along is not a problem. 

To retract the tongue I attach the come-along to my chain near the car and the other end to some part of the trailer.

I was surprised how easily the boat and trailer rolled back and forth with this method and how easy it was to line up the holes. 

Hope that description made sense?

From sjcclu at msn.com  Thu Feb 10 08:32:41 2022
From: sjcclu at msn.com (Stephen CongdonCLU)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 13:32:41 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4416, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1641.1644446263.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
References: <mailman.1641.1644446263.2787.rhodes22-list@rhodes22.org>
Message-ID: <PH0PR22MB3212446A435827E828D9A677C52F9@PH0PR22MB3212.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

re: electric motor replacement
we used a 36 volt 101# thrust
motor for several years in Sandusky bay and out on lake Erie.
many advantages for us

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Today's Topics:

   1. Electric Motor (Matt Wilson)
   2. Re: Whisker Pole (Chris Geankoplis)
   3. Re: Whisker Pole (Jesse Shumaker)
   4. Re: Electric Motor (Todd Robinson)
   5. Re: Whisker Pole (Lee Kuhn)
   6. Re: Whisker Pole (Shawn Boles)
   7. Re: Electric Motor (Steve Bauman)
   8. Re: Electric Motor (Matt Wilson)
   9. Re: Whisker Pole (Chris Geankoplis)
  10. Re: Wind instrument? (Peter Nyberg)
  11. Re: Electric Motor (Tom Van Heule)
  12. Re: Wind instrument? (Mike Riter)
  13. Re: Electric Motor (Cary Tolbert)
  14. Re: Electric Motor (Michael D. Weisner)
  15. Re: Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4412,       Issue 1 (Posting Reply to
      thread) (Joedempsey at hughes.net)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 07:58:30 -0600
From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
Message-ID:
        <CANbEFCshM5hq16Eq-ii7B0oTMVDmPrxnGWMJ0Tu8FhvDB14efg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello everyone,

I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and am
looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am
wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling motor)
in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly using it
for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.

Many thanks,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 09:36:11 -0500
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
Message-ID:
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Here is another use for the boat hook. The port spreader fails in a bit of
weather. I used the pole to retention the outer shroud during some
thunderstorms near Elba. See picture attached. Oh, Alice was pretty cool
considering the situation.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:23 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?
>
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The
> tension
> > from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> > >
> > > Michael McKay
> > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker
> poles,
> > > but
> > > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > > >
> > > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length
> but
> > > it
> > > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it
> was
> > > easy
> > > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good
> idea
> > > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems and
> > used
> > > > it for a lot of years.
> > > >
> > > > Lee
> > > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > > Claytor Lake, VA
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 08:57:30 -0600
From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

What a photo with rough seas and the squall in the background!  I'm looking
forward to reading through your latest installment of the Greek adventure.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 8:36 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is another use for the boat hook. The port spreader fails in a bit of
> weather. I used the pole to retention the outer shroud during some
> thunderstorms near Elba. See picture attached. Oh, Alice was pretty cool
> considering the situation.
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:23 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The
> > tension
> > > from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> > > >
> > > > Michael McKay
> > > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker
> > poles,
> > > > but
> > > > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length
> > but
> > > > it
> > > > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it
> > was
> > > > easy
> > > > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good
> > idea
> > > > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems
> and
> > > used
> > > > > it for a lot of years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee
> > > > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > > > Claytor Lake, VA
> > > > > -------------- next part --------------
> > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 15:30:15 +0000
From: Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
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I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and I was able to get out and have a great day on the lake. After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably suits my skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the water, it did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.

Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not fun. If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.

Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges are due to lack of knowledge/experience.



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Matt Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor

Hello everyone,

I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling motor) in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly using it for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.

Many thanks,
Matt Wilson
Hornblower II
White Bear Lake, MN

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:37:42 -0500
From: Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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        <CAPgvAEnga2fg_4hJOa3+tvPcBN+C49gC7BO=-i0unUkWTSfMqg at mail.gmail.com>
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I saved that photo!  Button down the hatches Matey.

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 9:36 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is another use for the boat hook. The port spreader fails in a bit of
> weather. I used the pole to retention the outer shroud during some
> thunderstorms near Elba. See picture attached. Oh, Alice was pretty cool
> considering the situation.
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:23 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The
> > tension
> > > from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> > > >
> > > > Michael McKay
> > > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker
> > poles,
> > > > but
> > > > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length
> > but
> > > > it
> > > > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it
> > was
> > > > easy
> > > > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good
> > idea
> > > > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems
> and
> > > used
> > > > > it for a lot of years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee
> > > > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > > > Claytor Lake, VA
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> > >
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 07:57:43 -0800
From: Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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Chris - Ingenious!  You and Alice are amazing.

Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 6:36 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Here is another use for the boat hook. The port spreader fails in a bit of
> weather. I used the pole to retention the outer shroud during some
> thunderstorms near Elba. See picture attached. Oh, Alice was pretty cool
> considering the situation.
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:23 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?
> >
> > Reuben Mezrich
> > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The
> > tension
> > > from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> > > >
> > > > Michael McKay
> > > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker
> > poles,
> > > > but
> > > > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > > > >
> > > > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length
> > but
> > > > it
> > > > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it
> > was
> > > > easy
> > > > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good
> > idea
> > > > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems
> and
> > > used
> > > > > it for a lot of years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee
> > > > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > > > Claytor Lake, VA
> > > > > -------------- next part --------------
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> > > >
> > >
> >
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 11:16:42 -0500
From: Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50 pound
thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I found it to
be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina in mild wind.
One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in addition to
having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That being said, I love
the idea of changing over to a proper electric outboard, something I may do
for this coming season.

Steve
Misty Anne

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com> wrote:

> I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to be in
> the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling motor that
> provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it was but it could
> not handle much wind. Just getting out of the marina was challenging when
> the wind was above 7 knots. It took a while for it to get traction to
> overcome the wind and I started worrying that I was not going to make it
> back to my slip much less the lake. However, after going backwards a few
> slips it dug in and I was able to get out and have a great day on the lake.
> After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably suits my
> skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the water, it
> did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
>
> Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep the
> Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not fun.
> If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
>
> Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges are due
> to lack of knowledge/experience.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Matt Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and am
> looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am
> wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling motor)
> in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly using it
> for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
>
> Many thanks,
> Matt Wilson
> Hornblower II
> White Bear Lake, MN
>

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 10:46:02 -0600
From: Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
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Thanks guys,

Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget matters
but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is now missing, I
have some money to play with.

Thank you!
Matt

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
> while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50 pound
> thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I found it to
> be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina in mild wind.
> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in addition to
> having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That being said, I love
> the idea of changing over to a proper electric outboard, something I may do
> for this coming season.
>
> Steve
> Misty Anne
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to be in
> > the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling motor that
> > provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it was but it could
> > not handle much wind. Just getting out of the marina was challenging when
> > the wind was above 7 knots. It took a while for it to get traction to
> > overcome the wind and I started worrying that I was not going to make it
> > back to my slip much less the lake. However, after going backwards a few
> > slips it dug in and I was able to get out and have a great day on the
> lake.
> > After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably suits
> my
> > skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the water,
> it
> > did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> >
> > Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep the
> > Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not fun.
> > If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
> >
> > Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges are
> due
> > to lack of knowledge/experience.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Matt Wilson
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and am
> > looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am
> > wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling
> motor)
> > in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly using
> it
> > for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> > occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Matt Wilson
> > Hornblower II
> > White Bear Lake, MN
> >
>

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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 12:11:33 -0500
From: Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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        <CADNTwiVXmszvk0+ufJAqGDaQS=t+tVaT1WBLmCkc_NePRe4iDQ at mail.gmail.com>
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MyGaiver is whatRhodies do

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 9:57 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> What a photo with rough seas and the squall in the background!  I'm looking
> forward to reading through your latest installment of the Greek adventure.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 8:36 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Here is another use for the boat hook. The port spreader fails in a bit
> of
> > weather. I used the pole to retention the outer shroud during some
> > thunderstorms near Elba. See picture attached. Oh, Alice was pretty cool
> > considering the situation.
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 6:23 AM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, but how does it attach to the shroud?
> > >
> > > Reuben Mezrich
> > > Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The male end of the pole rests in the female hole of the clew.  The
> > > tension
> > > > from the sheet prevents it from falling out.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022, 11:18 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Great idea Lee?how do you attach it to the shroud?
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael McKay
> > > > > (630) 209-2054 (m)
> > > > >
> > > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker
> > > poles,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > the attached photo shows what I used.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good
> length
> > > but
> > > > > it
> > > > > > was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin
> it
> > > was
> > > > > easy
> > > > > > to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a
> good
> > > idea
> > > > > > because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems
> > and
> > > > used
> > > > > > it for a lot of years.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lee
> > > > > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > > > > Claytor Lake, VA
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Message: 10
Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2022 09:43:24 -0800
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
Message-ID: <E1nHUWS-00CnNE-El at s152.servername.online>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Mike,

As I said, it's been several years, and unfortunately I don't really recall the details of my troubles with the SailTimer.  I recall having an issue with the built-in battery, and I was unable to get it set up to give me a useful wind direction (i.e. a bearing relative to my current course).

At that time, there was only one model, and I haven't kept up with their development since.  Perhaps they've improved things, but a masthead windex and hand-held anemometer give the info I'm looking for with less complexity.

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-02-07, at 22:31:26 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> I just reread your reply.  As it happens I have been seriously thinking about
> getting the SailTimer RB wind instrument.  It seems that it would be a perfect
> choice for a Rhodes 22.  Do you know which model you got, and could you
> elaborate about the issues that you experienced?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike
>
>



------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 12:04:32 -0600
From: Tom Van Heule <tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
Message-ID:
        <CAEqJHY54vP3yRm=k15sOL0HaECrobbxP+2auRCjvo+x-WxhKDQ at mail.gmail.com>
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Well an 8 hp is like 180lbs thrust IIRC.

Most of these boats have an 8, some have a 6.  I wouldn't think a 4hp would
do much ...

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 10:46 AM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thanks guys,
>
> Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
> recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget matters
> but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is now missing, I
> have some money to play with.
>
> Thank you!
> Matt
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
> > while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50 pound
> > thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I found it
> to
> > be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina in mild
> wind.
> > One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in addition
> to
> > having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That being said, I love
> > the idea of changing over to a proper electric outboard, something I may
> do
> > for this coming season.
> >
> > Steve
> > Misty Anne
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to be
> in
> > > the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling motor that
> > > provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it was but it
> could
> > > not handle much wind. Just getting out of the marina was challenging
> when
> > > the wind was above 7 knots. It took a while for it to get traction to
> > > overcome the wind and I started worrying that I was not going to make
> it
> > > back to my slip much less the lake. However, after going backwards a
> few
> > > slips it dug in and I was able to get out and have a great day on the
> > lake.
> > > After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably
> suits
> > my
> > > skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the water,
> > it
> > > did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> > >
> > > Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep
> the
> > > Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not
> fun.
> > > If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
> > >
> > > Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges are
> > due
> > > to lack of knowledge/experience.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > > Matt Wilson
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> > >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and
> am
> > > looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am
> > > wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling
> > motor)
> > > in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly using
> > it
> > > for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> > > occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > Matt Wilson
> > > Hornblower II
> > > White Bear Lake, MN
> > >
> >
>

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Message: 12
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 12:10:52 -0600
From: Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Wind instrument?
Message-ID:
        <CAAY+qo_VLy2oWb062wq4dBLLU5Y=gQO=CEi-+KkJZ0WpJ1tQuA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I don't mean to hijack Michael McKay's post, but since we're on the topic
of wind instruments. I was wondering if anyone has any experience with
Ultrasonic wind instruments. Being strictly a trailer sailer, I'm looking
for something that would stay on the mast when it's up or down. The wind
vane or spinning cup types don't seem to do well when the mast is stored in
the horizontal position and highway speed winds blow at them. Having to
take the wind instrument off and put it back on everytime I set up would
add more time to the mast raising and lower task.

Michael Riter
SV Emma B



On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 11:43 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:

> Mike,
>
> As I said, it's been several years, and unfortunately I don't really
> recall the details of my troubles with the SailTimer.  I recall having an
> issue with the built-in battery, and I was unable to get it set up to give
> me a useful wind direction (i.e. a bearing relative to my current course).
>
> At that time, there was only one model, and I haven't kept up with their
> development since.  Perhaps they've improved things, but a masthead windex
> and hand-held anemometer give the info I'm looking for with less complexity.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
> > On 2022-02-07, at 22:31:26 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > I just reread your reply.  As it happens I have been seriously thinking
> about
> > getting the SailTimer RB wind instrument.  It seems that it would be a
> perfect
> > choice for a Rhodes 22.  Do you know which model you got, and could you
> > elaborate about the issues that you experienced?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
>
>

------------------------------

Message: 13
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 13:28:32 -0500
From: Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
Message-ID:
        <CAPQvPRo_LUBGLRf+5sC6WKd-x-cDbH7mcjFbkr25pd17=wnTiw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

In my reading of sailboats references I came across this bit of info. A
sailboat needs a minimum of ONE horsepower for every 550 pounds of ballast.
It seems that a Rhodes 22 should require a minimum of 6 HP. My Rhodes came
with an 8 HP. The previous owner said they had to deal with river currents
and tides not to mention wind issues.
Cary Tolbert
S/V Whisper '86
Claytor Lake, VA

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 1:04 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:

> Well an 8 hp is like 180lbs thrust IIRC.
>
> Most of these boats have an 8, some have a 6.  I wouldn't think a 4hp would
> do much ...
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022, 10:46 AM Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thanks guys,
> >
> > Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
> > recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget
> matters
> > but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is now missing, I
> > have some money to play with.
> >
> > Thank you!
> > Matt
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
> > > while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50
> pound
> > > thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I found
> it
> > to
> > > be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina in mild
> > wind.
> > > One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in addition
> > to
> > > having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That being said, I
> love
> > > the idea of changing over to a proper electric outboard, something I
> may
> > do
> > > for this coming season.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > Misty Anne
> > >
> > > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to
> be
> > in
> > > > the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling motor
> that
> > > > provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it was but it
> > could
> > > > not handle much wind. Just getting out of the marina was challenging
> > when
> > > > the wind was above 7 knots. It took a while for it to get traction to
> > > > overcome the wind and I started worrying that I was not going to make
> > it
> > > > back to my slip much less the lake. However, after going backwards a
> > few
> > > > slips it dug in and I was able to get out and have a great day on the
> > > lake.
> > > > After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably
> > suits
> > > my
> > > > skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the
> water,
> > > it
> > > > did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> > > >
> > > > Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep
> > the
> > > > Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not
> > fun.
> > > > If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
> > > >
> > > > Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges
> are
> > > due
> > > > to lack of knowledge/experience.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Matt Wilson
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> > > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> > > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage and
> > am
> > > > looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in MN.  I am
> > > > wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor (trolling
> > > motor)
> > > > in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly
> using
> > > it
> > > > for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> > > > occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks,
> > > > Matt Wilson
> > > > Hornblower II
> > > > White Bear Lake, MN
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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Message: 14
Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2022 15:29:34 -0500
From: "Michael D. Weisner" <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
Message-ID: <002801d81d2a$969ec890$c3dc59b0$@ebsmed.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="UTF-8"

Several discussions have been logged on the list concerning electric propulsion.

A discussion about the Torqueedo sizes and capabilities starts at:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-June%2F084960.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6ef3b1d19c154dab068408d9ec1ccb45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800430728606629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=YU7ZoO2VieOIoR3EYVpIG4mxzaBpEH%2BtoBs0JHn%2B%2B7I%3D&amp;reserved=0
You may follow the thread by clicking on the "Next message" links.

The above thread was prompted by a discussion the previous month entitled "Torqueedo article" at:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-May%2F084857.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6ef3b1d19c154dab068408d9ec1ccb45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800430728606629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=c%2BYdQ7nafwctGlPBNv4z%2F5PVUY3X6LciTOXkwDtNJvo%3D&amp;reserved=0
The original link to the article is bad, but, the German version is still available at:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwasserwanderer.de%2F2020%2F05%2F23%2Fwie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-travel-wirklich%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6ef3b1d19c154dab068408d9ec1ccb45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800430728606629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=2c2T%2BSwR3MO%2FXwv0ImOogfc0JmDK6QTiSdrrLHpoGNQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
You can translate the text in 5000 character chunks using google translate to get the gist.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)


-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Matt Wilson
Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:46 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor

Thanks guys,

Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget matters but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is now missing, I have some money to play with.

Thank you!
Matt

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:

> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
> while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50
> pound thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I
> found it to be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina in mild wind.
> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in
> addition to having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That
> being said, I love the idea of changing over to a proper electric
> outboard, something I may do for this coming season.
>
> Steve
> Misty Anne
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to
> > be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling
> > motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it
> > was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the
> > marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a
> > while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started
> > worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less
> > the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and I
> > was able to get out and have a great day on the
> lake.
> > After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably
> > suits
> my
> > skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the
> > water,
> it
> > did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> >
> > Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep
> > the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is not fun.
> > If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
> >
> > Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges
> > are
> due
> > to lack of knowledge/experience.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> > Of Matt Wilson
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage
> > and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in
> > MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor
> > (trolling
> motor)
> > in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly
> > using
> it
> > for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> > occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> >
> > Many thanks,
> > Matt Wilson
> > Hornblower II
> > White Bear Lake, MN
> >
>



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2022 17:37:11 -0500
From: <Joedempsey at hughes.net>
To: <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4412,    Issue 1
        (Posting Reply to thread)
Message-ID: <396f01d81e05$a3f594c0$ebe0be40$@hughes.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset="us-ascii"

OK, this is from my email client via Outlook using the Reply tab. As you can
see, the entire Rhodes22 Digest copies in. I'm really confused. Sorry!

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  15. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
  16. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (ROGER PIHLAJA)
  17. Re: 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
  18. Whisker Pole (Jeff Smith Photo)
  19. Re: Whisker Pole (Graham Parker)
  20. Remote Control & Receiver available (Bob Garrant)
  21. Re: Tiller Pilot Recommendations (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
  22. Re: Tiller Pilot Recommendations (Peter Nyberg)
  23. Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a thread (RODNEY BROWN)
  24. Re: Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a   thread
      (Peter Nyberg)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:53:36 -0500
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
        sale
Message-ID: <8de80cc0-d089-5ada-1b2a-bf5b89401814 at generalboats.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

Rodney,

This is Stan, builder of your boat.? Charles has been kind enough to
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
so.? I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my
first try since its repair; hope it's working.

While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers
your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours
are best directed to me.? The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we
come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have
owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you,
not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.

Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
technicalities re this upgrading.

stan


On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney.



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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 20:21:20 -0500
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
        sale
Message-ID:
        <CAPi3tBAGGVo_N=anLpEEGR2NfMZL5dSFJ_1SmMgn2yN4SZkhHQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Stan,
I would like to get the tiller/motor connector for my Rhodes 2000 that I
purchased from General Boats in 2017.
I previously purchased General Boats parts through Charles and the
transaction went very smoothly.
Regards,
Bob Garrant
Kent Island, MD

On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 7:53 PM stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

> Rodney,
>
> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
> handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
> so.  I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my
> first try since its repair; hope it's working.
>
> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
> is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers
> your questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours
> are best directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we
> come up with a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have
> owners familiar with what is on their year boat and anxious to help you,
> not necessarily tuned into how your year boat is built.
>
> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
> technicalities re this upgrading.
>
> stan
>
>
> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> > Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
> wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rodney.
>
>

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2022 19:53:11 -0600
From: RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
        sale
Message-ID: <851D5CB3-3CC7-4EA5-9FC5-732F005171DD at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8

Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on the
availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for your
help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
seemed to be ironed out.

Sincerely,

Rodney Brown



> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
> Rodney,
>
> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do so.
I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first try
since its repair; hope it's working.
>
> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner is,
and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your
questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best
directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with
a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with
what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
into how your year boat is built.
>
> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
technicalities re this upgrading.
>
> stan
>
>
> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Rodney.
>



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 14:38:42 +0000 (UTC)
From: Mark West <keywestseccorp at verizon.net>
To: "rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID: <501660946.1340413.1643207922407 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Rodney Welcome to the Rhodes Family lots of knowledge ,Experience here to
help?
Mark and Connie Wesr? ?Hertford NC.?
S/V Fairwinds II? ? 89 Rhodes 22

-----Original Message-----
From: R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: Tue, Jan 25, 2022 6:09 pm
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner

Hello from OKC :)? I purchased a 2001 Rhodes? a couple of weeks ago and had
a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to join??

Thanks,

Rodney

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 08:46:02 -0600
From: Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID:
        <CAMc-3fqoGFXrz5K-7fvwtcJyT70BS8YFs1nGh9WpeKfcxugHTQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Welcome Rodney!  There's a few other R22s in the midwest including one in
Kansas and a couple where I sail at Lake Manawa in Iowa.

Where do you sail in OKC?

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr


On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and
> had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to
> join?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rodney

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:49:38 -0500
From: Brian Ferguson <brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Hello from Oklahoma, new Rhodes owner
Message-ID:
        <CAPD+wLE+9zH7r_yJnyGEQD1R4cHqJF9_rw9576tuduRuA+RCPg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Rodney,
Welcome to the best owners club out there. I used to live in Lawton. I
figure you sail Lake Hefner. You might try sailing Lake Ellsworth for a
slightly different experience. The mountain down there plays with the wind
direction a little making for a fun challenge..

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 9:46 AM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Welcome Rodney!  There's a few other R22s in the midwest including one in
> Kansas and a couple where I sail at Lake Manawa in Iowa.
>
> Where do you sail in OKC?
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 5:10 PM R Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello from OKC :)  I purchased a 2001 Rhodes  a couple of weeks ago and
> > had a questioner the group, is the Rhodes Owner Coop still available to
> > join?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Rodney
>

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 10:54:15 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID:
        <CAM0HAmnx9XrnQSyXMTnxPWbiXSKE=iF059LNfhAsZvdZSqApdg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one end
and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
clips on to a bale on the mast.
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffsmithphoto.net%2FBoats%2FWhisker-Boat-Pole%2Fn-WnpmmF%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6ef3b1d19c154dab068408d9ec1ccb45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800430728606629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=c7cFSXCdI0K3wYhQZsxCbtl8s1XYWP15w6lTdUAyA2Y%3D&amp;reserved=0>.
To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to prevent
rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
match the color scheme of Radiant.
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.truevalue.com%2F6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6ef3b1d19c154dab068408d9ec1ccb45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800430728606629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=l%2BcIjc5Igl34LuMkEUS01nBvtFPxxDZk2FQtNaE6sD8%3D&amp;reserved=0

Best regards,
Jeff Smith

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:08:43 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <0C7ED6DD-1B20-4A92-9786-F9A1958DDED7 at tds.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;       charset=utf-8

Very impressive Jeff, but nice and simple too. Can you explain or send a
photo of the bale set up?
Also, I am planning on setting up a simple jibe preventer for my downwind
journeys. Details of other systems gratefully received.
Graham
'sv 00Sailin?


> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:54, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
> stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one
end
> and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
> pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
> clips on to a bale on the mast.
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffsmithphoto.net%2FBoats%2FWhisker-Boat-Pole%2Fn-WnpmmF%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6ef3b1d19c154dab068408d9ec1ccb45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800430728606629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=c7cFSXCdI0K3wYhQZsxCbtl8s1XYWP15w6lTdUAyA2Y%3D&amp;reserved=0>.
> To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
> that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
> the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to
prevent
> rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
> match the color scheme of Radiant.
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.truevalue.com%2F6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6ef3b1d19c154dab068408d9ec1ccb45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800430728606629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=l%2BcIjc5Igl34LuMkEUS01nBvtFPxxDZk2FQtNaE6sD8%3D&amp;reserved=0
>
> Best regards,
> Jeff Smith



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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 11:28:31 -0500 (EST)
From: chuy carreon <chcarreon at cox.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Peter
        Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Bilge Pump Questions
Message-ID: <1282330450.3358047.1643214511558 at myemail.cox.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Peter,
Like all the videos on your fixing projects on Silverheels. I will have to
locate the on the flooring.

Take care,
Chuy Carreon
Tempe, Arizona

> On January 24, 2022 at 10:56 AM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com
mailto:peter at sunnybeeches.com > wrote:
>
>
>     I agree with the sentiment with which Roger ended his post. I can
think of very few scenarios where a bilge pump will avert a disaster. His
example of preventing a boat from sinking at the dock is one, but only in
the situation where the boat is connected to shore power, which is
configured to keep the battery charged, and where the charging rate is as
least as great as the bulge pump power draw.
>
>     One of the first projects I did on Silverheels (video #7:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FVywOqYXqzYg&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6ef3b1d19c154dab068408d9ec1ccb45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800430728606629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=IO6QDypH6n7WVQeseCiFQJJsOytL1q3Dn8Ff0O4v5fg%3D&amp;reserved=0) was to replace the plywood and carpet floor
installed by General Boat with oak flooring. This was high on my to-do list
because the carpet made the bilge difficult to access. Now, the bilge is
easy to check, and when I find water (my hull-deck joint leaks), it's a
quick job to take care of it with a bucket, a cup, and a sponge.
>
>     Peter Nyberg
>     Coventry, CT
>     s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
>
>         > > On 2022-01-24, at 08:08:25 EST, ROGER PIHLAJA wrote:
> >
> >     >
>         > > ...
> >         If you hit something and make a hole below the waterline, the
inflow of
> >         water will quickly overwhelm the bilge pump. It?s really just an
insurance
> >         policy against your boat sinking at the dock when you are not
there.
> >
> >     >

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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 20:37:16 -0500
From: stan <stan at generalboats.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
        sale
Message-ID: <a9991296-74ff-56d2-d11b-c321998e3809 at generalboats.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed


Rodney and Crew,

Before I forget here is Charles direct contact info:

 ??? Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>

The info on your two initial items of interest is a mixed bag. The new
traveler invention is one of those middle of the night inspirations that
it turned out we can build all of, in-house. When we discovered that
Yamaha had finally discovered sailboats and built a motor perfect for
our needs (standard 20 inch long shaft, high thrust meaning low RPM
motor sporting a larger 4 bladed sailboat pitch prop) along with both
its speed and direction controls in a single fitting that mounts on the
sailboat's tiller, we were in heaven.? We knew that coming up with a
linkage system from the Rhodes rudder head to that motor is what we do
in our sleep and we are going to have an outboard auxiliary set up like
no other. And we did; and owners loved it.?? But
 ?? ??? ???? to be continued? . . . .

ss


On 1/25/22 8:53 PM, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
> Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on
the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for your
help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
seemed to be ironed out.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Rodney Brown
>
>
>
>> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rodney,
>>
>> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do so.
I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first try
since its repair; hope it's working.
>>
>> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner is,
and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers your
questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are best
directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up with
a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar with
what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
into how your year boat is built.
>>
>> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
technicalities re this upgrading.
>>
>> stan
>>
>>
>> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
>>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Rodney.
> .



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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 19:38:39 -0600
From: Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Motor-Tiller Interconnector Still for
        sale
Message-ID:
        <CA+k9M44XWC6XN9rff54+PyZGov9t8+-vPPi69k+q+knMGSB=ig at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Stan!  Appreciate you sending this ?

On Wed, Jan 26, 2022 at 19:37 stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:

>
> Rodney and Crew,
>
> Before I forget here is Charles direct contact info:
>
>      Charles Gabriel <charles.gabriel at gmail.com>
>
> The info on your two initial items of interest is a mixed bag. The new
> traveler invention is one of those middle of the night inspirations that
> it turned out we can build all of, in-house. When we discovered that
> Yamaha had finally discovered sailboats and built a motor perfect for
> our needs (standard 20 inch long shaft, high thrust meaning low RPM
> motor sporting a larger 4 bladed sailboat pitch prop) along with both
> its speed and direction controls in a single fitting that mounts on the
> sailboat's tiller, we were in heaven.  We knew that coming up with a
> linkage system from the Rhodes rudder head to that motor is what we do
> in our sleep and we are going to have an outboard auxiliary set up like
> no other. And we did; and owners loved it.   But
>              to be continued  . . . .
>
> ss
>
>
> On 1/25/22 8:53 PM, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
> > Thanks for the info Stan, do you have Charlie?s contact to follow up on
> the availability of traveller and motor-tiller unit?  Thanks again for
your
> help, and for taking time to  get back to me. Seems your computer bugs
> seemed to be ironed out.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Rodney Brown
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 25, 2022, at 6:53 PM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rodney,
> >>
> >> This is Stan, builder of your boat.  Charles has been kind enough to
> handle the parts part of the business and will hopefully continue to do
> so.  I have been off line with some computer problems and this is my first
> try since its repair; hope it's working.
> >>
> >> While owning a Rhodes is like wearing a badge of how bright its owner
> is, and while looking to the Rhodes List will get you the best answers
your
> questioning can find anywhere on land or sea, questions like yours are
best
> directed to me.  The reason, a terrible dumb notion that if we come up
with
> a better way, we do it in the next boat. This can have owners familiar
with
> what is on their year boat and anxious to help you, not necessarily tuned
> into how your year boat is built.
> >>
> >> Send an email to me at <stan at generalboats.com>and I will go over the
> technicalities re this upgrading.
> >>
> >> stan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/25/22 6:13 PM, R Brown wrote:
> >>> Charlie, I?m new to the Rhodes group, just purchased a 2001, and was
> wondering if your tiller/motor connector is still available?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Rodney.
> > .
>
>

------------------------------

Message: 12
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2022 23:06:03 -0500
From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
Message-ID: <920EF391-4C52-40F7-A77A-679007526E4C at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Jeff,

Thanks for sharing this.  I have been hoping to add a whisker pole to my
boat.

Question: did you rig guys to control the position of the pole or do you
just use the jib sheets?

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 26, 2022, at 10:54 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> ?Last Spring I built a combination Boat Pole/ Whisker Pole Combo that is
> stored upright in front of the mast.  I fiberglassed a carabiner in one
end
> and a boat pole tip into the other. When used as a whisker pole the boat
> pole tip is inserted into the clew of the 135% genoa and the carabiner end
> clips on to a bale on the mast.
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jeffsmithphoto.net%2FBoats%2FWhisker-Boat-Pole%2Fn-WnpmmF%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6ef3b1d19c154dab068408d9ec1ccb45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800430728606629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=c7cFSXCdI0K3wYhQZsxCbtl8s1XYWP15w6lTdUAyA2Y%3D&amp;reserved=0>.
> To store, the carabiner end slides up on the mast secured by a large bale
> that was a part of the mast raising system and the boat pole end rests in
> the lower mast bale. There are two pieces of swim tubes attached to
prevent
> rattling. The outer yellow pole was wrapped in blue 3M electrical tape to
> match the color scheme of Radiant.
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.truevalue.com%2F6-to-12-ft-fiberglass-extension-pole&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C6ef3b1d19c154dab068408d9ec1ccb45%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800430728606629%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=l%2BcIjc5Igl34LuMkEUS01nBvtFPxxDZk2FQtNaE6sD8%3D&amp;reserved=0
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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:01:59 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:41:09 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi All,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both poles
are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In light air,
the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need the topping
lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.
Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and
cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the vang to
hold the clew of the headsail down.

Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap
shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an
end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size
boat, especially in heavy air.

When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted
on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low
and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at
anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.
This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up
there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with
Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it
works very well for cruising.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
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Message: 15
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:53:03 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Thanks Jeff,
 A photo (or in this case, photos) is worth a thousand words.
I still have a question though.
Why am I seeing two bulbous coverings of blue tape when I only see one
bulbous spot on the origin pole. Is that just for storage against the mast?
Stan, if your computer is working, I would love to see your thoughts on the
use of a whisker pole when wing on wing and also your thoughts on using a
jibe preventer?
 Any thoughts from other Rhodies obviously welcome too!
G

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 10:01, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
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> I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
> idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
> have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the
shots
> shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
> top of the jib.
> I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
> post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.
>
> Best regards,
> Jeff
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 16:55:15 +0000
From: ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi All,

The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium flying her triradial
spinnaker on a light air close reach.  You can see the topping lift attached
to the double bridle on the spinnaker pole and led to a block on the mast at
about ? mast height.  From there, the topping lift is led down the mast and
back to the cockpit.  The vang is not rigged in this light air shot.  The
spinnaker pole is almost touching the forestay on this close reach.

Note how the sail is fully inflated despite the lack of wind.

You can also see the spinnaker snuffer sock all bunched up at the head of
the spinnaker.  I think the whisker pole was stowed down below in the cabin
in this shot.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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Hi All,

S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both poles
are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In light air,
the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need the topping
lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to inflate.
Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise up and
cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the vang to
hold the clew of the headsail down.

Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap
shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an
end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size
boat, especially in heavy air.

When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted
on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low
and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at
anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.
This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up
there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with
Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it
works very well for cruising.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

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I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the shots
shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
top of the jib.
I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.

Best regards,
Jeff
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:00:10 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
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Hi Roger,.
 That sounds like a great set up although I am too nervous a sailor to
consider a spinnaker. However I really would like to figure a way to use a
vang and/or preventer for the main on downwind runs. Any ideas or photos
anyone?
Graham
'sv 00Sailin'

> On Jan 27, 2022, at 11:55, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> The attached photo shows S/V Dynamic Equilibrium flying her triradial
spinnaker on a light air close reach.  You can see the topping lift attached
to the double bridle on the spinnaker pole and led to a block on the mast at
about ? mast height.  From there, the topping lift is led down the mast and
back to the cockpit.  The vang is not rigged in this light air shot.  The
spinnaker pole is almost touching the forestay on this close reach.
>
> Note how the sail is fully inflated despite the lack of wind.
>
> You can also see the spinnaker snuffer sock all bunched up at the head of
the spinnaker.  I think the whisker pole was stowed down below in the cabin
in this shot.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> [cid:image001.jpg at 01D81374.5EDD86E0]
>
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> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2022 8:41 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
>
> Hi All,
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium has a whisker pole and a spinnaker pole.  Both
poles are rigged with double bridles for a topping lift and a vang.  In
light air, the weight of the pole tends to collapse the headsail.  You need
the topping lift to support the weight of the pole and allow the headsail to
inflate.  Conversely, in heavy air, the clew of the headsail tends to rise
up and cause an inefficient, unstable, too full sail shape.  You need the
vang to hold the clew of the headsail down.
>
> Using a double bridle for the topping lift and the vang keeps the snap
shackles over the foredeck vs out at the end of the pole.  This enables an
end for end pole swap when gibing the headsail, which is safer on this size
boat, especially in heavy air.
>
> When sailing, I stow the whisker pole and spinnaker pole in chocks mounted
on the cabin roof and foredeck.  This keeps the windage and weight down low
and won?t catch a sheet or the genoa clew when tacking.  At a dock or at
anchor, I can store my poles vertically up against the front of the mast.
This clears the foredeck of tripping hazards when you want to lounge up
there.  I wind the double bridles around the poles and secure them with
Velcro straps to secure them for storage.  It?s a racing setup; but, it
works very well for cruising.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
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> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] 12' Boat/ Whisker Pole
>
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> I have cropped into the shot of the pole on the mast.  it should give an
> idea of the 2 bales.  Maybe best viewed on a computer for detail. So far I
> have just used the sheets for control, but may add a downhaul. In the
shots
> shown it was blowing 15-18 knots and there was not too much spill from the
> top of the jib.
> I should have said "epoxied" instead of "fiberglassed" in the original
> post. More closeups of the 2 ends of the pole were added.
>
> Best regards,
> Jeff
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 07:52:55 -0500
From: Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
noodles) was added to further stop rattling.  They may also keep the pole
from sinking should it go overboard.

Best Regards
Jeff Smith
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Message: 19
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:28:27 -0500
From: Graham Parker <gramille at tds.net>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Smith Photo <jeffsmithphoto at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> ?The second bulge (which is probably pipe insulation rather than swim
> noodles) was added to further stop rattling.  They may also keep the pole
> from sinking should it go overboard.
>
> Best Regards
> Jeff Smith
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Message: 20
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2022 12:34:34 -0500
From: Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Remote Control & Receiver available
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I have a remote control & receiver available if someone needs it.
I purchased to replace the remote control for the electric motor lift that
came with Rhodes. The existing one was not reliable.
 I then decided to have up-down switches installed next to the outboard
since I wanted to be next to the outboard as I was raising or lowering the
motor.
The package includes a remote fob, a received and instructions for
installation and troubleshooting.
See the attached picture.

Bob Garrant
Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD
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Message: 21
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 16:36:49 -0500
From: <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
To: "'The Rhodes 22 Email List'" <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Hi Roger,

I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping
to get some additional advice before I start.

1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard coaming
pocket?
2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that
and connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an
inline fuse is required in either case.

I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the Tiller
Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.

Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!

Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA



-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Friday, February 19, 2021 9:13 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Mike,

I?ve had a Raymarine ST1000+ Tiller Pilot on S/V Dynamic Equilibrium for
about 15 years.  I found it most convenient to use the Raymarine Pedestal
Socket to mount the ST1000+ onto the top of the gunnel.  I believe I used
the shortest socket assembly 38 mm (P/N: D026) to adjust the vertical
position to level out the ST1000+ relative to the tiller.  But, you should
measure your boat before ordering this part.  If the ST1000+ is not level
relative to the tiller; then, the geometry changes as the actuator strokes
and the effective gain of the controller will not be constant.  Variable
controller gain is not conducive to holding a steady course.  You will also
need some pushrod extensions.  I believe I used the 152 mm (P/N: D008) + the
25 mm (P/N: D003) pushrod extensions.  But, again, you should measure your
boat before ordering these parts.  On the tiller, I used the standard tiller
pin, epoxied in place.  Be careful to get compound angle of the pin correct
on the tiller when yo
 u drill the hole.  Remember you only get one chance to drill this hole
correctly.  If you screw it up; then, the tiller is ruined!  You want the
pin to be vertical with the tiller fully lowered and located 460 mm from the
centerline of the rudder?s pintles.  The Pedestal Socket comes with a big
backing plate to facilitate thru bolting.  I did not reinforce the gunnel
and have had no issues with structural failure.  I mounted the waterproof
plug and socket on the side of the cockpit coaming aft of the ST1000, so it
would not obstruct seating while the ST1000+ is in use.

If you only want to use your ST1000+ as a basic autopilot with no
communication to other instruments via the Seatalk bus or NMEA 0183 bus;
then, all you need to provide is 12 amps DC power.  The circuit should be
separately fused.  If you want to use the hand held remote &/or communicate
with other instruments; then, contact me off the list and I will try to
assist.

Basically, it?s a pretty easy installation although there are a few
potential booby traps.  The supplied owner?s handbook is pretty good.  If
you take your time, follow the instructions, and measure twice/cut once;
then, you?ll be fine.  It?s a very useful accessory and I really like mine.
It?s been totally bulletproof.

My ST1000+ does best on points of sail forward of the beam, ie beam reaching
up to close hauled.  On points of sail aft of the beam, ie broad reach to a
run, there is usually a following sea.  When that following sea is hitting
the boat from a stern quarter, it requires the helmsman to anticipate the
effect of a wave by counter steering as the wave is passing under the boat.
The ST1000+ (Or any autopilot) has no way to anticipate anything.  So, it?s
always in reactive mode and the steered course can look a little wobbly.  It
helps to reduce sail area and distribute the sail area fore/aft to keep the
helm balanced.  Of course, these are conditions that require the most skill
and attention from a human helmsman as well.  The ST1000+ is not as good at
maintaining a downwind course as a skilled helmsman who is paying attention.
But, it?s better than a newby helmsman or a tired &/or inattentive helmsman.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

From: Michael D. Weisner<mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 6:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Ric,

I'm afraid to ask what you do that you could not do without it. ;-)

I love mine, too.  And to think that I used to use a "tiller jock" to lock
the tiller in place when I single handed with my two year old. With the
autopilot, we could have both been sailing from the bow with our feet in the
water using the remote to steer!

Mike
s/v Windlass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Ric
Stott
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2021 5:59 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations

Love love love my Raymarine autotiller.
Could not do what I do without it.
Ric
sv Dadventure

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:30 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> ?I have the Raymarine ST1000.  Actually, I depend on it so heavily, that I
have two.  I have had one stop working.  I sent it back to Raymarine and
they fixed it a no cost.
>
> Attached is a document created by Bill Wickman about his installation of
the ST1000.  I followed this pretty closely.  However, at the point where
the tiller pilot attaches to the cockpit combing, he said he found the
fiberglass to be thick, and needed no reinforcement.  I found the fiberglass
to be quite thin at the point, and epoxied in a block of 3/4? thick
hardwood.
>
> I have no experience with the Simrad.
>
> Good luck with your project.
>
> Peter Nyberg
> Coventry, CT
> s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)
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>> On Feb 18, 2021, at 5:13 PM, MichaelM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I'm hoping to install a Raymarine or Simrad tiller pilot in my boat.
>>
>> Can you share your experience with either unit and what challenges if
>> any did you encountered during the installation?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 22
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2022 14:59:25 -0800
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Pilot Recommendations
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Mike,

I'm not Roger, but I'll offer some of my experience anyway.

First, I hope you've found Bill Wickman's write-up of the installation of a
Raymarine ST-1000 on his boat:
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To answer your second question first, I had an unused circuit on my
electrical panel, and used that to power the tiller pilot.  Since that
placed a breaker into the circuit, I did not also include and inline fuse.
It seems to me that would be redundant.

As for the routing of wires...  If you have the standard General Boat
galley, there's an area that's below the electrical panel, above the
counter-top and behind the sliding panels.  If you drill a hole in the aft
panel of this area, you will have an opening into the interior space of the
starboard coaming.  Do this close to the hull, just to be sure you're not
drilling a hole into the cockpit.

Best of luck,

Peter Nyberg
Coventry, CT
s/v Silverheels (1988/2016)

> On 2022-01-31, at 16:36:49 EST, Michael McKay wrote:
>
> Hi Roger,
>
> I am finally prepared to install a Tiller Pilot on s/v Liber and am hoping
to
> get some additional advice before I start.
>
> 1) What is the best way to route the wiring harness to the starboard
coaming
> pocket?
> 2) Did you connect your Tiller Pilot to the electric panel or bypass that
and
> connect it to the house battery directly?  I do understand that an inline
fuse
> is required in either case.
>
> I do plan on eventually installing a chartplotter and integrating the
Tiller
> Pilot with that, but that is a project for another day.
>
> Thank you for all your contributions to this forum!
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
>



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Message: 23
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:29:23 -0600
From: RODNEY BROWN <rnelson204 at gmail.com>
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to a
        thread
Message-ID: <7E184FF7-C63C-4A5B-AD11-FE79C7258E6B at gmail.com>
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Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive view,
I can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?  Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Rodney




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Message: 24
Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2022 18:45:36 -0800
From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com>
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Help a rookie out: How to post a reply to
        a       thread
Message-ID: <E1nF5eK-002Z5H-7e at s152.servername.online>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Rodney,

Although you can see the archive of messages in a web page, this is strictly
an email list*.  The only way to start new threads or respond to an existing
thread is by sending an email to the list.

Are you getting postings from the list in your email inbox?

--Peter

* This may change in the future, but at its core, it will still be an email
list.

> On 2022-02-01, at 20:29:23 EST, RODNEY BROWN wrote:
>
> Gang , I?m beyond embarrassed at this point, but when I in the archive
view, I
> can?t for the life of me figure out to reply to an topic or thread?  Any
help
> would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Rodney
>
>
>



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From mwhornblower at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 09:25:00 2022
From: mwhornblower at gmail.com (Matt Wilson)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 08:25:00 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
In-Reply-To: <002801d81d2a$969ec890$c3dc59b0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CANbEFCshM5hq16Eq-ii7B0oTMVDmPrxnGWMJ0Tu8FhvDB14efg@mail.gmail.com>
 <SA1PR15MB4740AA5F33A04BD6668C5AC6C02D9@SA1PR15MB4740.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
 <CANnt4UCCaQdepbkKsrND3JKNfWnsDrq0QE0L95yYb0+YDCC1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANbEFCtJaa3D2uRwUTmU4mH227v6H_Dia1TxZ1dtO3wR51M-Jw@mail.gmail.com>
 <002801d81d2a$969ec890$c3dc59b0$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <CANbEFCsV+YUnWiXG47kxUmNosqRu0emxSM+yaP+d6gXa6-WHzg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the links!

Does anyone have any experience with CNCEST electric outboards?  Thanks for
the help,
Matt

On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:

> Several discussions have been logged on the list concerning electric
> propulsion.
>
> A discussion about the Torqueedo sizes and capabilities starts at:
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-June/084960.html
> You may follow the thread by clicking on the "Next message" links.
>
> The above thread was prompted by a discussion the previous month entitled
> "Torqueedo article" at:
> http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2020-May/084857.html
> The original link to the article is bad, but, the German version is still
> available at:
>
> https://wasserwanderer.de/2020/05/23/wie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-travel-wirklich/
> You can translate the text in 5000 character chunks using google translate
> to get the gist.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Matt Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:46 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>
> Thanks guys,
>
> Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
> recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget matters
> but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is now missing, I
> have some money to play with.
>
> Thank you!
> Matt
>
> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
> > while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50
> > pound thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I
> > found it to be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina
> in mild wind.
> > One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in
> > addition to having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That
> > being said, I love the idea of changing over to a proper electric
> > outboard, something I may do for this coming season.
> >
> > Steve
> > Misty Anne
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to
> > > be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling
> > > motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it
> > > was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the
> > > marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a
> > > while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started
> > > worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less
> > > the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and I
> > > was able to get out and have a great day on the
> > lake.
> > > After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably
> > > suits
> > my
> > > skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the
> > > water,
> > it
> > > did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> > >
> > > Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep
> > > the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is
> not fun.
> > > If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
> > >
> > > Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges
> > > are
> > due
> > > to lack of knowledge/experience.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> > > Of Matt Wilson
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> > >
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage
> > > and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in
> > > MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor
> > > (trolling
> > motor)
> > > in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly
> > > using
> > it
> > > for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> > > occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> > >
> > > Many thanks,
> > > Matt Wilson
> > > Hornblower II
> > > White Bear Lake, MN
> > >
> >
>
>

From sloopblueheron at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 12:07:21 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 12:07:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Trailer Tongue Extension Made Easy
In-Reply-To: <E1nHzYu-007Qpt-IU@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nHzYu-007Qpt-IU@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CABkv36amFAR9PkdL06_HYzyWq7KhHprcsAA5zurgmNnY7UgVyA@mail.gmail.com>

After wire brushing off the rust, coat the tongue bar with axle grease
where it comes in contact with trailer framing.

Regards,

Rick Lange


On Wed, Feb 9, 2022 at 9:52 PM George Morgan <gmorgan.flier at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Graham,
>
> To extend the tongue I attach one end of the come-along to the open rear
> end of the tongue and the other to some part of the trailer toward the
> front. My tongue is cut off and doesn?t extend all the way back to the
> holder on the trailer frame, so attaching the come-along is not a problem.
>
> To retract the tongue I attach the come-along to my chain near the car and
> the other end to some part of the trailer.
>
> I was surprised how easily the boat and trailer rolled back and forth with
> this method and how easy it was to line up the holes.
>
> Hope that description made sense?
>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Feb 10 14:10:38 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 19:10:38 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
In-Reply-To: <CANbEFCsV+YUnWiXG47kxUmNosqRu0emxSM+yaP+d6gXa6-WHzg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCshM5hq16Eq-ii7B0oTMVDmPrxnGWMJ0Tu8FhvDB14efg@mail.gmail.com>
 <SA1PR15MB4740AA5F33A04BD6668C5AC6C02D9@SA1PR15MB4740.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
 <CANnt4UCCaQdepbkKsrND3JKNfWnsDrq0QE0L95yYb0+YDCC1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANbEFCtJaa3D2uRwUTmU4mH227v6H_Dia1TxZ1dtO3wR51M-Jw@mail.gmail.com>
 <002801d81d2a$969ec890$c3dc59b0$@ebsmed.com>
 <CANbEFCsV+YUnWiXG47kxUmNosqRu0emxSM+yaP+d6gXa6-WHzg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DM6PR02MB69231147447DC0922E3D2799802F9@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

To all of you considering switching over to electric propulsion, besides all the usual issues regarding electrical connections, corrosion, and water; there are some additional precautions associated with batteries.  Batteries must be securely mounted so they can?t tip over, preferably low and near the center of the boat.  If lead/acid batteries get dunked in sea water, the sulfuric acid electrolyte and lead sulfide on the plates will react with the sodium chloride in sea water to produce chlorine gas, which is quite toxic. If lead acid batteries are overcharged, they can release hydrogen sulfide gas, which is very smelly and also toxic.  More modern nickel/lithium batteries use lithium.  Lithium is a reactive alkali metal and reacts with water to produce hydrogen gas, which is quite flammable.  Note, if your lithium battery pack is on fire, do NOT try to extinguish the fire with water!  You will only make things worse.  Modern marine batteries are usually sealed against water intrusion; but, especially with big battery packs, you need to be aware of what hazards you are carrying.  It?s another big energy source that needs to be properly handled and respected.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for the links!
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with CNCEST electric outboards?  Thanks for
> the help,
> Matt
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Several discussions have been logged on the list concerning electric
>> propulsion.
>> 
>> A discussion about the Torqueedo sizes and capabilities starts at:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-June%2F084960.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=wDOYGqdUtKG9Dkkne5U8vZ7rC5tsVggNlLsYTlFOQII%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> You may follow the thread by clicking on the "Next message" links.
>> 
>> The above thread was prompted by a discussion the previous month entitled
>> "Torqueedo article" at:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-May%2F084857.html&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=riQXhxlo71EyrZS6yOWDTz4BZr91YVxZshpIQluaRlg%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> The original link to the article is bad, but, the German version is still
>> available at:
>> 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwasserwanderer.de%2F2020%2F05%2F23%2Fwie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-travel-wirklich%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=n295uejcLnI8feB2%2BzBUtg7o3G0vrNOZ0IykRzpmv6Q%3D&amp;reserved=0
>> You can translate the text in 5000 character chunks using google translate
>> to get the gist.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Matt Wilson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:46 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>> 
>> Thanks guys,
>> 
>> Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
>> recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget matters
>> but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is now missing, I
>> have some money to play with.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Matt
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of weeks
>>> while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe a 50
>>> pound thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that time.  I
>>> found it to be totally inadequate, even just to get me out of our marina
>> in mild wind.
>>> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in
>>> addition to having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That
>>> being said, I love the idea of changing over to a proper electric
>>> outboard, something I may do for this coming season.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> Misty Anne
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to
>>>> be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling
>>>> motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it
>>>> was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the
>>>> marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a
>>>> while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started
>>>> worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less
>>>> the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and I
>>>> was able to get out and have a great day on the
>>> lake.
>>>> After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably
>>>> suits
>>> my
>>>> skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the
>>>> water,
>>> it
>>>> did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
>>>> 
>>>> Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll keep
>>>> the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind dies is
>> not fun.
>>>> If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
>>>> 
>>>> Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges
>>>> are
>>> due
>>>> to lack of knowledge/experience.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
>>>> Of Matt Wilson
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>>>> 
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage
>>>> and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in
>>>> MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor
>>>> (trolling
>>> motor)
>>>> in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly
>>>> using
>>> it
>>>> for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
>>>> occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
>>>> 
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>> Hornblower II
>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Feb 10 14:21:59 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 14:21:59 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4412,
	Issue 1 (Posting Reply to thread)
In-Reply-To: <E1nHz5W-005NEj-Eq@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nHz5W-005NEj-Eq@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <001401d81eb3$7a6c0b30$6f442190$@ebsmed.com>

Peter,

I felt that it was important to leave the rest of the email intact to show the format of the digest. In most other cases, I agree with you that the excess should be trimmed.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2022 9:22 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes22-list Digest, Vol 4412, Issue 1 (Posting Reply to thread)

Joe,

I was in the midst of composing a much longer reply than Mike's, when I got called away to dinner.  It basically said the same thing, using many more words.

Your email app is behaving the way that Mike and I would expect it to, but apparently not the way you would expect it to. 

The world of internet based communications is always changing, and quite frankly, I am not keeping up with it.  I don't do Instagram, Tik-Tok, Twitter, or even Facebook.  So, I'm still quite comfortable with the ways and means of email, but other people may be coming to this from a different point of view.

Anyway, I'm uncertain as to the source of your confusion.  If you could explain what you expected to happen when you hit the 'reply' button, I could attempt to explain why the result was something else.

Oh, and Mike, you could have deleted the whole digest content from your reply to Joe, so as not to further clutter up the archives :-)

--Peter

> On 2022-02-09, at 17:37:11 EST, Joedempsey at hughes.net wrote:
>
> OK, this is from my email client via Outlook using the Reply tab. As 
> you can see, the entire Rhodes22 Digest copies in. I'm really confused. Sorry!
> 
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Thu Feb 10 14:27:54 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 14:27:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR02MB69231147447DC0922E3D2799802F9@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CANbEFCshM5hq16Eq-ii7B0oTMVDmPrxnGWMJ0Tu8FhvDB14efg@mail.gmail.com>
 <SA1PR15MB4740AA5F33A04BD6668C5AC6C02D9@SA1PR15MB4740.namprd15.prod.outlook.com>
 <CANnt4UCCaQdepbkKsrND3JKNfWnsDrq0QE0L95yYb0+YDCC1qQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANbEFCtJaa3D2uRwUTmU4mH227v6H_Dia1TxZ1dtO3wR51M-Jw@mail.gmail.com>
 <002801d81d2a$969ec890$c3dc59b0$@ebsmed.com>
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Message-ID: <001901d81eb4$4e2fc650$ea8f52f0$@ebsmed.com>

Roger,

So ... If your Li battery is on fire, tossing it overboard is not recommended, even if it saves the boat from burning to the waterline. Is there a better recommendation than abandoning ship and watching the boat and the battery sink? Is there a good device to extinguish a Li battery fire? All I carry is a 10lb ABC extinguisher.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 2:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor

Hi All,

To all of you considering switching over to electric propulsion, besides all the usual issues regarding electrical connections, corrosion, and water; there are some additional precautions associated with batteries.  Batteries must be securely mounted so they can?t tip over, preferably low and near the center of the boat.  If lead/acid batteries get dunked in sea water, the sulfuric acid electrolyte and lead sulfide on the plates will react with the sodium chloride in sea water to produce chlorine gas, which is quite toxic. If lead acid batteries are overcharged, they can release hydrogen sulfide gas, which is very smelly and also toxic.  More modern nickel/lithium batteries use lithium.  Lithium is a reactive alkali metal and reacts with water to produce hydrogen gas, which is quite flammable.  Note, if your lithium battery pack is on fire, do NOT try to extinguish the fire with water!  You will only make things worse.  Modern marine batteries are usually sealed against water intrusion; but, especially with big battery packs, you need to be aware of what hazards you are carrying.  It?s another big energy source that needs to be properly handled and respected.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thanks for the links!
> 
> Does anyone have any experience with CNCEST electric outboards?  
> Thanks for the help, Matt
> 
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Michael D. Weisner 
>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Several discussions have been logged on the list concerning electric 
>> propulsion.
>> 
>> A discussion about the Torqueedo sizes and capabilities starts at:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhode
>> s22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-June%2F084960.html&amp;dat
>> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
>> 5aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey
>> JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C30
>> 00&amp;sdata=wDOYGqdUtKG9Dkkne5U8vZ7rC5tsVggNlLsYTlFOQII%3D&amp;reser
>> ved=0 You may follow the thread by clicking on the "Next message" 
>> links.
>> 
>> The above thread was prompted by a discussion the previous month 
>> entitled "Torqueedo article" at:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.r
>> hodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-May%2F084857.html&amp;
>> data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640af
>> b435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d
>> 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7
>> C3000&amp;sdata=riQXhxlo71EyrZS6yOWDTz4BZr91YVxZshpIQluaRlg%3D&amp;re
>> served=0 The original link to the article is bad, but, the German 
>> version is still available at:
>> 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwass
>> erwanderer.de%2F2020%2F05%2F23%2Fwie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-
>> travel-wirklich%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca1
>> 2725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%
>> 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6I
>> k1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=n295uejcLnI8feB2%2BzBUtg7o3G0v
>> rNOZ0IykRzpmv6Q%3D&amp;reserved=0 You can translate the text in 5000 
>> character chunks using google translate to get the gist.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>> Matt Wilson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:46 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>> 
>> Thanks guys,
>> 
>> Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust 
>> recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget 
>> matters but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is 
>> now missing, I have some money to play with.
>> 
>> Thank you!
>> Matt
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of 
>>> weeks while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe 
>>> a 50 pound thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that 
>>> time.  I found it to be totally inadequate, even just to get me out 
>>> of our marina
>> in mild wind.
>>> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in 
>>> addition to having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That 
>>> being said, I love the idea of changing over to a proper electric 
>>> outboard, something I may do for this coming season.
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> Misty Anne
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to 
>>>> be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling 
>>>> motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it 
>>>> was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the 
>>>> marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a 
>>>> while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started 
>>>> worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less 
>>>> the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and 
>>>> I was able to get out and have a great day on the
>>> lake.
>>>> After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably 
>>>> suits
>>> my
>>>> skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the 
>>>> water,
>>> it
>>>> did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
>>>> 
>>>> Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll 
>>>> keep the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind 
>>>> dies is
>> not fun.
>>>> If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
>>>> 
>>>> Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges 
>>>> are
>>> due
>>>> to lack of knowledge/experience.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
>>>> Of Matt Wilson
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>>>> 
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage 
>>>> and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in 
>>>> MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor 
>>>> (trolling
>>> motor)
>>>> in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly 
>>>> using
>>> it
>>>> for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would 
>>>> occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
>>>> 
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>> Hornblower II
>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 


From talmorin at hotmail.com  Thu Feb 10 16:10:34 2022
From: talmorin at hotmail.com (Thomas s)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:10:34 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
In-Reply-To: <001901d81eb4$4e2fc650$ea8f52f0$@ebsmed.com>
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Mike,

Your ABC extinguisher is the right thing to use.  Lithium-ion batteries are considered a Class B fire.

Tom
S/V Just Bent

________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 1:27 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor

Roger,

So ... If your Li battery is on fire, tossing it overboard is not recommended, even if it saves the boat from burning to the waterline. Is there a better recommendation than abandoning ship and watching the boat and the battery sink? Is there a good device to extinguish a Li battery fire? All I carry is a 10lb ABC extinguisher.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 2:11 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor

Hi All,

To all of you considering switching over to electric propulsion, besides all the usual issues regarding electrical connections, corrosion, and water; there are some additional precautions associated with batteries.  Batteries must be securely mounted so they can?t tip over, preferably low and near the center of the boat.  If lead/acid batteries get dunked in sea water, the sulfuric acid electrolyte and lead sulfide on the plates will react with the sodium chloride in sea water to produce chlorine gas, which is quite toxic. If lead acid batteries are overcharged, they can release hydrogen sulfide gas, which is very smelly and also toxic.  More modern nickel/lithium batteries use lithium.  Lithium is a reactive alkali metal and reacts with water to produce hydrogen gas, which is quite flammable.  Note, if your lithium battery pack is on fire, do NOT try to extinguish the fire with water!  You will only make things worse.  Modern marine batteries are usually sealed against water intrusion; but, especially with big battery packs, you need to be aware of what hazards you are carrying.  It?s another big energy source that needs to be properly handled and respected.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Thanks for the links!
>
> Does anyone have any experience with CNCEST electric outboards?
> Thanks for the help, Matt
>
>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Michael D. Weisner
>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Several discussions have been logged on the list concerning electric
>> propulsion.
>>
>> A discussion about the Torqueedo sizes and capabilities starts at:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhode
>> s22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-June%2F084960.html&amp;dat
>> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
>> 5aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey
>> JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C30
>> 00&amp;sdata=wDOYGqdUtKG9Dkkne5U8vZ7rC5tsVggNlLsYTlFOQII%3D&amp;reser
>> ved=0 You may follow the thread by clicking on the "Next message"
>> links.
>>
>> The above thread was prompted by a discussion the previous month
>> entitled "Torqueedo article" at:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.r
>> hodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-May%2F084857.html&amp;
>> data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640af
>> b435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d
>> 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7
>> C3000&amp;sdata=riQXhxlo71EyrZS6yOWDTz4BZr91YVxZshpIQluaRlg%3D&amp;re
>> served=0 The original link to the article is bad, but, the German
>> version is still available at:
>>
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwass
>> erwanderer.de%2F2020%2F05%2F23%2Fwie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-
>> travel-wirklich%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca1
>> 2725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%
>> 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6I
>> k1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=n295uejcLnI8feB2%2BzBUtg7o3G0v
>> rNOZ0IykRzpmv6Q%3D&amp;reserved=0 You can translate the text in 5000
>> character chunks using google translate to get the gist.
>>
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>> Matt Wilson
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:46 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>>
>> Thanks guys,
>>
>> Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
>> recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget
>> matters but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is
>> now missing, I have some money to play with.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Matt
>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of
>>> weeks while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe
>>> a 50 pound thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that
>>> time.  I found it to be totally inadequate, even just to get me out
>>> of our marina
>> in mild wind.
>>> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in
>>> addition to having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That
>>> being said, I love the idea of changing over to a proper electric
>>> outboard, something I may do for this coming season.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>> Misty Anne
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to
>>>> be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling
>>>> motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it
>>>> was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the
>>>> marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a
>>>> while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started
>>>> worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less
>>>> the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and
>>>> I was able to get out and have a great day on the
>>> lake.
>>>> After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably
>>>> suits
>>> my
>>>> skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the
>>>> water,
>>> it
>>>> did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
>>>>
>>>> Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll
>>>> keep the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind
>>>> dies is
>> not fun.
>>>> If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
>>>>
>>>> Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges
>>>> are
>>> due
>>>> to lack of knowledge/experience.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
>>>> Of Matt Wilson
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>>>>
>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage
>>>> and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in
>>>> MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor
>>>> (trolling
>>> motor)
>>>> in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly
>>>> using
>>> it
>>>> for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
>>>> occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks,
>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>> Hornblower II
>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>


From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Feb 10 16:27:18 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 21:27:18 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
In-Reply-To: <001901d81eb4$4e2fc650$ea8f52f0$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CANbEFCshM5hq16Eq-ii7B0oTMVDmPrxnGWMJ0Tu8FhvDB14efg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <DM6PR02MB692337BDB774EF03493A38E4802F9@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Mike,

If your lithium battery is on fire, it might be pretty tough to get it loose from the battery mount and then pick it up to throw it overboard!  If you could somehow get it overboard; that, would be good for the boat, but bad for the environment.  Because of the huge amount of stored energy and reactivity of lithium/water, I don?t think any commercially available fire extinguisher would work on that type of fire.  That?s my whole point.  Although it?s a low probability event, if your lithium battery starts burning, it might be a lose the boat situation.  There?s no good way to put something like that out and it?s bolted down so you can?t get rid of it.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger,
> 
> So ... If your Li battery is on fire, tossing it overboard is not recommended, even if it saves the boat from burning to the waterline. Is there a better recommendation than abandoning ship and watching the boat and the battery sink? Is there a good device to extinguish a Li battery fire? All I carry is a 10lb ABC extinguisher.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 2:11 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> To all of you considering switching over to electric propulsion, besides all the usual issues regarding electrical connections, corrosion, and water; there are some additional precautions associated with batteries.  Batteries must be securely mounted so they can?t tip over, preferably low and near the center of the boat.  If lead/acid batteries get dunked in sea water, the sulfuric acid electrolyte and lead sulfide on the plates will react with the sodium chloride in sea water to produce chlorine gas, which is quite toxic. If lead acid batteries are overcharged, they can release hydrogen sulfide gas, which is very smelly and also toxic.  More modern nickel/lithium batteries use lithium.  Lithium is a reactive alkali metal and reacts with water to produce hydrogen gas, which is quite flammable.  Note, if your lithium battery pack is on fire, do NOT try to extinguish the fire with water!  You will only make things worse.  Modern marine batteries are usually sealed against water intrusion; but, especially with big battery packs, you need to be aware of what hazards you are carrying.  It?s another big energy source that needs to be properly handled and respected.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
>> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Thanks for the links!
>> 
>> Does anyone have any experience with CNCEST electric outboards?  
>> Thanks for the help, Matt
>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Michael D. Weisner 
>>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Several discussions have been logged on the list concerning electric 
>>> propulsion.
>>> 
>>> A discussion about the Torqueedo sizes and capabilities starts at:
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhode
>>> s22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-June%2F084960.html&amp;dat
>>> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
>>> 5aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8ey
>>> JWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C30
>>> 00&amp;sdata=wDOYGqdUtKG9Dkkne5U8vZ7rC5tsVggNlLsYTlFOQII%3D&amp;reser
>>> ved=0 You may follow the thread by clicking on the "Next message" 
>>> links.
>>> 
>>> The above thread was prompted by a discussion the previous month 
>>> entitled "Torqueedo article" at:
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.r%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C4769f2c55d464a7a3df008d9eccb75db%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637801180873875680%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=8AuCicRkFjB758MqIo1tD0FB0f3NdLau6EgCmc4jTXc%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> hodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-May%2F084857.html&amp;
>>> data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640af
>>> b435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d
>>> 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7
>>> C3000&amp;sdata=riQXhxlo71EyrZS6yOWDTz4BZr91YVxZshpIQluaRlg%3D&amp;re
>>> served=0 The original link to the article is bad, but, the German 
>>> version is still available at:
>>> 
>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwass
>>> erwanderer.de%2F2020%2F05%2F23%2Fwie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-
>>> travel-wirklich%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca1
>>> 2725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%
>>> 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6I
>>> k1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=n295uejcLnI8feB2%2BzBUtg7o3G0v
>>> rNOZ0IykRzpmv6Q%3D&amp;reserved=0 You can translate the text in 5000 
>>> character chunks using google translate to get the gist.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>>> Matt Wilson
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:46 AM
>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>>> 
>>> Thanks guys,
>>> 
>>> Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust 
>>> recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget 
>>> matters but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is 
>>> now missing, I have some money to play with.
>>> 
>>> Thank you!
>>> Matt
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of 
>>>> weeks while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe 
>>>> a 50 pound thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that 
>>>> time.  I found it to be totally inadequate, even just to get me out 
>>>> of our marina
>>> in mild wind.
>>>> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in 
>>>> addition to having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That 
>>>> being said, I love the idea of changing over to a proper electric 
>>>> outboard, something I may do for this coming season.
>>>> 
>>>> Steve
>>>> Misty Anne
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to 
>>>>> be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling 
>>>>> motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it 
>>>>> was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the 
>>>>> marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a 
>>>>> while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started 
>>>>> worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less 
>>>>> the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and 
>>>>> I was able to get out and have a great day on the
>>>> lake.
>>>>> After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably 
>>>>> suits
>>>> my
>>>>> skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the 
>>>>> water,
>>>> it
>>>>> did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll 
>>>>> keep the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind 
>>>>> dies is
>>> not fun.
>>>>> If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges 
>>>>> are
>>>> due
>>>>> to lack of knowledge/experience.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
>>>>> Of Matt Wilson
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage 
>>>>> and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in 
>>>>> MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor 
>>>>> (trolling
>>>> motor)
>>>>> in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly 
>>>>> using
>>>> it
>>>>> for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would 
>>>>> occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> 

From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com  Thu Feb 10 16:47:47 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2022 16:47:47 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Whisker Pole
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Thanks for the great idea Lee.  Your picture does not show how the pole is secured to the shroud.  Can you explain that part for us?

Thanks,

Mike
s/v Liber 2006/2018
Alatoona Lake, GA 

Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)

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> On Feb 7, 2022, at 3:17 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Nothing as elaborate or functional as Jeff's and other whisker poles, but
> the attached photo shows what I used.
> 
> It's a 6' long telescoping boat hook.  6' seemed like a good length but it
> was too long.  Go with a 4' that extends to 8'.  From the cabin it was easy
> to attach it to a shroud instead of the mast.  Probably not a good idea
> because you could break the shroud, but I never had any problems and used
> it for a lot of years.
> 
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Fri Feb 11 06:52:47 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 11:52:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
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Thomas,

Do you remember the lithium battery fires on Samsung Galaxy smartphones from a few years ago?  They were busting into flames in people?s pockets and carry on luggage.  Several airlines banned them.  The issue is, we all want more and more battery life from our devices and range from our electric vehicles.  To increase the so called energy density, the lithium battery manufacturers are cramming more and more anodes and cathodes closer and closer together in their batteries.  These close tolerances makes them more vulnerable to an internal short circuit and a fire. Things like vibration, shock, heat, age, repeated charge/discharge cycles, overcharging, and collision damage can also trigger an internal short.  Once an internal short starts, it can trigger a cascading failure wherein the stored energy gets turned into heat, which causes more internal shorting, more heat, and so on.  This kind of fire is very difficult to extinguish because the stored energy just keeps reigniting it and there is no way to separate the anodes and cathodes inside the sealed battery.  Fortunately, lithium battery safety is getting better; but, I just wanted to warn people that want to switch over to electric propulsion about this issue.  As lithium batteries proliferate thru our devices and vehicles and the battery fleet ages, you can expect to see more and more of these fires.  It?s one thing to burn up your laptop or your car, and quite another to burn your boat.  At the very least, it could be the start of ?a bad day on the water!?

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Auxiliary engine powered by geochemically recycled biomass

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 10, 2022, at 3:27 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Mike,
> 
> If your lithium battery is on fire, it might be pretty tough to get it loose from the battery mount and then pick it up to throw it overboard!  If you could somehow get it overboard; that, would be good for the boat, but bad for the environment.  Because of the huge amount of stored energy and reactivity of lithium/water, I don?t think any commercially available fire extinguisher would work on that type of fire.  That?s my whole point.  Although it?s a low probability event, if your lithium battery starts burning, it might be a lose the boat situation.  There?s no good way to put something like that out and it?s bolted down so you can?t get rid of it.
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Feb 10, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?Roger,
>> 
>> So ... If your Li battery is on fire, tossing it overboard is not recommended, even if it saves the boat from burning to the waterline. Is there a better recommendation than abandoning ship and watching the boat and the battery sink? Is there a good device to extinguish a Li battery fire? All I carry is a 10lb ABC extinguisher.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER PIHLAJA
>> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 2:11 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> To all of you considering switching over to electric propulsion, besides all the usual issues regarding electrical connections, corrosion, and water; there are some additional precautions associated with batteries.  Batteries must be securely mounted so they can?t tip over, preferably low and near the center of the boat.  If lead/acid batteries get dunked in sea water, the sulfuric acid electrolyte and lead sulfide on the plates will react with the sodium chloride in sea water to produce chlorine gas, which is quite toxic. If lead acid batteries are overcharged, they can release hydrogen sulfide gas, which is very smelly and also toxic.  More modern nickel/lithium batteries use lithium.  Lithium is a reactive alkali metal and reacts with water to produce hydrogen gas, which is quite flammable.  Note, if your lithium battery pack is on fire, do NOT try to extinguish the fire with water!  You will only make things worse.  Modern marine batteries are usually sealed against water intrusion; but, especially with big battery packs, you need to be aware of what hazards you are carrying.  It?s another big energy source that needs to be properly handled and respected.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Thanks for the links!
>>> 
>>> Does anyone have any experience with CNCEST electric outboards?  
>>> Thanks for the help, Matt
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Michael D. Weisner 
>>>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Several discussions have been logged on the list concerning electric 
>>>> propulsion.
>>>> 
>>>> A discussion about the Torqueedo sizes and capabilities starts at:
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhode
>>>> s22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-June%2F084960.html&amp;dat
>>>> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
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>>>> ved=0 You may follow the thread by clicking on the "Next message" 
>>>> links.
>>>> 
>>>> The above thread was prompted by a discussion the previous month 
>>>> entitled "Torqueedo article" at:
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.r%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf5140ae7545b42940ee408d9ecdc1ff4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637801252461195511%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=v4Qy%2BCpFZgxJMx8eAdroYbPD1%2FCJKAre5oEhZna7c3k%3D&amp;reserved=0
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>>>> served=0 The original link to the article is bad, but, the German 
>>>> version is still available at:
>>>> 
>>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwass
>>>> erwanderer.de%2F2020%2F05%2F23%2Fwie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-
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>>>> character chunks using google translate to get the gist.
>>>> 
>>>> Mike
>>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>>>> Nissequogue River, NY
>>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of 
>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:46 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks guys,
>>>> 
>>>> Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust 
>>>> recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget 
>>>> matters but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is 
>>>> now missing, I have some money to play with.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank you!
>>>> Matt
>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of 
>>>>> weeks while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe 
>>>>> a 50 pound thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that 
>>>>> time.  I found it to be totally inadequate, even just to get me out 
>>>>> of our marina
>>>> in mild wind.
>>>>> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in 
>>>>> addition to having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That 
>>>>> being said, I love the idea of changing over to a proper electric 
>>>>> outboard, something I may do for this coming season.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Steve
>>>>> Misty Anne
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to 
>>>>>> be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling 
>>>>>> motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it 
>>>>>> was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the 
>>>>>> marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a 
>>>>>> while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started 
>>>>>> worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less 
>>>>>> the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and 
>>>>>> I was able to get out and have a great day on the
>>>>> lake.
>>>>>> After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably 
>>>>>> suits
>>>>> my
>>>>>> skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the 
>>>>>> water,
>>>>> it
>>>>>> did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll 
>>>>>> keep the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind 
>>>>>> dies is
>>>> not fun.
>>>>>> If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges 
>>>>>> are
>>>>> due
>>>>>> to lack of knowledge/experience.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf 
>>>>>> Of Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
>>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage 
>>>>>> and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in 
>>>>>> MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor 
>>>>>> (trolling
>>>>> motor)
>>>>>> in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly 
>>>>>> using
>>>>> it
>>>>>> for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would 
>>>>>> occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>>> Matt Wilson
>>>>>> Hornblower II
>>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 17:39:37 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:39:37 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
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Some additional context about lithium batteries...

I'm not an expert on this but it's my understanding that the lithium
batteries posing the most risk are lithium ion polymer batteries, which are
infamous for the incidents that Roger mentioned.  The lithium batteries
that have become more popular for house battery banks on boats (and camper
vans and other off grid setups) in recent years are lithium iron phosphate
(LiFePO4).  Compared to the lithium ion polymer batteries, LiFePO4 are less
energy dense and safer.  LiFePO4 batteries have a battery management system
onboard  which can shutdown the battery if it detects a problem - of course
this does rely on more sophisticated systems rather than the simplicity of
more traditional batteries.  There's quite a bit of information available
on LiFePO4 online (of course some of that is hype).

People tend to stick with more traditional cranking batteries for their
starter on engines since they are built for that purpose.  However, the
electric start on my outboard has a small enough draw that my new battery
should handle that fine.

I did a fair amount of research in this area since part of my winter
projects were to swap out my two Group 27 flooded lead acid batteries for a
single 100 amp hour LiFePO4 battery made by Renogy.  Along with this, I got
a new charger that has a charging profile for lithium.  I also got the
bluetooth transmitter so I can see the state of the battery easily.  I also
put in a 30 watt solar panel on the stern, added renogy charge controllers,
added a battery monitor with a shunt and updated a bunch of wiring.
Sometime in a few weeks (maybe March), I'll put together a recap of the
off-season projects including the electrical updates on the boat.

Part of the motivation was to make it easier to take my battery out each
winter.  Each of the group 27 batteries weighed over 55 lbs.  My new
battery weighs around 25 lbs.  It was a lot more expensive, but it has more
usable power than both of the old batteries together, doesn't require
maintenance, and due to the long lifecycle of the LiFePO4 battery, I don't
anticipate having to buy a new battery for my R22 again.

There are pros and cons to all the battery types and I'm not trying to
convince anyone of what they should do.  My updated setup is overkill and
beyond my needs, but this project was an excuse to learn more about DC
electrical on boats and that's part of the fun of having a boat.  I'll
provide some feedback to the list after I've used the new setup more next
season.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 5:52 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Thomas,
>
> Do you remember the lithium battery fires on Samsung Galaxy smartphones
> from a few years ago?  They were busting into flames in people?s pockets
> and carry on luggage.  Several airlines banned them.  The issue is, we all
> want more and more battery life from our devices and range from our
> electric vehicles.  To increase the so called energy density, the lithium
> battery manufacturers are cramming more and more anodes and cathodes closer
> and closer together in their batteries.  These close tolerances makes them
> more vulnerable to an internal short circuit and a fire. Things like
> vibration, shock, heat, age, repeated charge/discharge cycles,
> overcharging, and collision damage can also trigger an internal short.
> Once an internal short starts, it can trigger a cascading failure wherein
> the stored energy gets turned into heat, which causes more internal
> shorting, more heat, and so on.  This kind of fire is very difficult to
> extinguish because the stored energy just keeps reigniting it and there is
> no way to separate the anodes and cathodes inside the sealed battery.
> Fortunately, lithium battery safety is getting better; but, I just wanted
> to warn people that want to switch over to electric propulsion about this
> issue.  As lithium batteries proliferate thru our devices and vehicles and
> the battery fleet ages, you can expect to see more and more of these
> fires.  It?s one thing to burn up your laptop or your car, and quite
> another to burn your boat.  At the very least, it could be the start of ?a
> bad day on the water!?
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> Auxiliary engine powered by geochemically recycled biomass
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 10, 2022, at 3:27 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?Mike,
> >
> > If your lithium battery is on fire, it might be pretty tough to get it
> loose from the battery mount and then pick it up to throw it overboard!  If
> you could somehow get it overboard; that, would be good for the boat, but
> bad for the environment.  Because of the huge amount of stored energy and
> reactivity of lithium/water, I don?t think any commercially available fire
> extinguisher would work on that type of fire.  That?s my whole point.
> Although it?s a low probability event, if your lithium battery starts
> burning, it might be a lose the boat situation.  There?s no good way to put
> something like that out and it?s bolted down so you can?t get rid of it.
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Feb 10, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Roger,
> >>
> >> So ... If your Li battery is on fire, tossing it overboard is not
> recommended, even if it saves the boat from burning to the waterline. Is
> there a better recommendation than abandoning ship and watching the boat
> and the battery sink? Is there a good device to extinguish a Li battery
> fire? All I carry is a 10lb ABC extinguisher.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >> Nissequogue River, NY
> >> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> ROGER PIHLAJA
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 2:11 PM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> To all of you considering switching over to electric propulsion,
> besides all the usual issues regarding electrical connections, corrosion,
> and water; there are some additional precautions associated with
> batteries.  Batteries must be securely mounted so they can?t tip over,
> preferably low and near the center of the boat.  If lead/acid batteries get
> dunked in sea water, the sulfuric acid electrolyte and lead sulfide on the
> plates will react with the sodium chloride in sea water to produce chlorine
> gas, which is quite toxic. If lead acid batteries are overcharged, they can
> release hydrogen sulfide gas, which is very smelly and also toxic.  More
> modern nickel/lithium batteries use lithium.  Lithium is a reactive alkali
> metal and reacts with water to produce hydrogen gas, which is quite
> flammable.  Note, if your lithium battery pack is on fire, do NOT try to
> extinguish the fire with water!  You will only make things worse.  Modern
> marine batteries are usually sealed against water intrusion; but,
> especially with big battery packs, you need to be aware of what hazards you
> are carrying.  It?s another big energy source that needs to be properly
> handled and respected.
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> ?Thanks for the links!
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have any experience with CNCEST electric outboards?
> >>> Thanks for the help, Matt
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Michael D. Weisner
> >>>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Several discussions have been logged on the list concerning electric
> >>>> propulsion.
> >>>>
> >>>> A discussion about the Torqueedo sizes and capabilities starts at:
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhode
> >>>> s22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-June%2F084960.html&amp;dat
> >>>> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
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> >>>> ved=0 You may follow the thread by clicking on the "Next message"
> >>>> links.
> >>>>
> >>>> The above thread was prompted by a discussion the previous month
> >>>> entitled "Torqueedo article" at:
> >>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.r%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf5140ae7545b42940ee408d9ecdc1ff4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637801252461195511%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=v4Qy%2BCpFZgxJMx8eAdroYbPD1%2FCJKAre5oEhZna7c3k%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >>>> hodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-May%2F084857.html&amp;
> >>>> data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640af
> >>>> b435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d
> >>>> 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7
> >>>> C3000&amp;sdata=riQXhxlo71EyrZS6yOWDTz4BZr91YVxZshpIQluaRlg%3D&amp;re
> >>>> served=0 The original link to the article is bad, but, the German
> >>>> version is still available at:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwass
> >>>> erwanderer.de%2F2020%2F05%2F23%2Fwie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-
> >>>> travel-wirklich%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca1
> >>>> 2725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%
> >>>> 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6I
> >>>> k1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=n295uejcLnI8feB2%2BzBUtg7o3G0v
> >>>> rNOZ0IykRzpmv6Q%3D&amp;reserved=0 You can translate the text in 5000
> >>>> character chunks using google translate to get the gist.
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike
> >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> >>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> Of
> >>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:46 AM
> >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
> >>>> recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget
> >>>> matters but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is
> >>>> now missing, I have some money to play with.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thank you!
> >>>> Matt
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of
> >>>>> weeks while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was maybe
> >>>>> a 50 pound thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that
> >>>>> time.  I found it to be totally inadequate, even just to get me out
> >>>>> of our marina
> >>>> in mild wind.
> >>>>> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in
> >>>>> addition to having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That
> >>>>> being said, I love the idea of changing over to a proper electric
> >>>>> outboard, something I may do for this coming season.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steve
> >>>>> Misty Anne
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <ctrobins at outlook.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going to
> >>>>>> be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling
> >>>>>> motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it
> >>>>>> was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the
> >>>>>> marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a
> >>>>>> while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started
> >>>>>> worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less
> >>>>>> the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and
> >>>>>> I was able to get out and have a great day on the
> >>>>> lake.
> >>>>>> After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably
> >>>>>> suits
> >>>>> my
> >>>>>> skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the
> >>>>>> water,
> >>>>> it
> >>>>>> did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll
> >>>>>> keep the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind
> >>>>>> dies is
> >>>> not fun.
> >>>>>> If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric outboard.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges
> >>>>>> are
> >>>>> due
> >>>>>> to lack of knowledge/experience.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> >>>>>> Of Matt Wilson
> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hello everyone,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage
> >>>>>> and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in
> >>>>>> MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric motor
> >>>>>> (trolling
> >>>>> motor)
> >>>>>> in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly
> >>>>>> using
> >>>>> it
> >>>>>> for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I would
> >>>>>> occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Many thanks,
> >>>>>> Matt Wilson
> >>>>>> Hornblower II
> >>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 17:40:25 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 16:40:25 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiWE2nNZDz7Rj_S0VwPpmhCCmg0Q1zd+HnA-1+E0Nz=VDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqyEW05A+8Btr60Y0xmFs1dZkwp3JiQ7dSYcr0_MHJRvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Chris, thanks for another great installment of your Greek adventures!  I'm
looking forward to the next chapter....

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 6:07 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Lee,
>         I taught physical science in middle school.  My syllabus was "A 3
> part method of experimentation: Set it on fire, Throw it off the roof, blow
> it up".  I've been keeping sailing journals for a lot of years, I think my
> first was 50 years ago.  I guess the Kojack teaser is a contemporary of
> "Who shot JR", grin.   You will have to wait for this exciting
>  anticlimactic "little known fact".  I might put something forward in a
> publication,  Gotta think about it.  Parts of my first journal did get
> published in a recent book by Rod Heikel "a Gift of the Sea".  An
> interesting history of yachting in the Med from Cleopatra's time to modern
> times.  I'm positioned closer to Cleo.
>
> Chris G
> Enosis/Zenos
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:41 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Chris,
> >
> > Some of my non-sailing friends think I'm adventurous because I even own a
> > sailboat.  You and Alice are unbelievable!  I know you're a retired
> teacher
> > but I can't remember if you taught creative writing.  Very entertaining.
> > Can't wait until your next installment.  The Kojak teaser has me on the
> > edge of my seat.
> >
> > When you're done you should consider sending it to SAIL magazine.
> They'll
> > want it condensed to a few pages but they could include a link to the
> > entire story.  I may be biased but it's a lot better than most of their
> > cruising stories.
> >
> > Lee
> > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > Claytor Lake, VA
> >
> > On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 10:19 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to
> write
> > > about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly
> awaited
> > > (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from
> Corfu
> > to
> > > Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm
> you
> > > all up a bit.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4/view?usp=sharing
> > >
> > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > > S/V Enosis, Xenos
> > >
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 20:00:34 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:00:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3frxcAWYm6eg5O7rvaSuYOC7XBgXYQa6h+N41mdBwfqWFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANbEFCshM5hq16Eq-ii7B0oTMVDmPrxnGWMJ0Tu8FhvDB14efg@mail.gmail.com>
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Looking forward to hearing all about it.
Chris G.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 5:39 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Some additional context about lithium batteries...
>
> I'm not an expert on this but it's my understanding that the lithium
> batteries posing the most risk are lithium ion polymer batteries, which are
> infamous for the incidents that Roger mentioned.  The lithium batteries
> that have become more popular for house battery banks on boats (and camper
> vans and other off grid setups) in recent years are lithium iron phosphate
> (LiFePO4).  Compared to the lithium ion polymer batteries, LiFePO4 are less
> energy dense and safer.  LiFePO4 batteries have a battery management system
> onboard  which can shutdown the battery if it detects a problem - of course
> this does rely on more sophisticated systems rather than the simplicity of
> more traditional batteries.  There's quite a bit of information available
> on LiFePO4 online (of course some of that is hype).
>
> People tend to stick with more traditional cranking batteries for their
> starter on engines since they are built for that purpose.  However, the
> electric start on my outboard has a small enough draw that my new battery
> should handle that fine.
>
> I did a fair amount of research in this area since part of my winter
> projects were to swap out my two Group 27 flooded lead acid batteries for a
> single 100 amp hour LiFePO4 battery made by Renogy.  Along with this, I got
> a new charger that has a charging profile for lithium.  I also got the
> bluetooth transmitter so I can see the state of the battery easily.  I also
> put in a 30 watt solar panel on the stern, added renogy charge controllers,
> added a battery monitor with a shunt and updated a bunch of wiring.
> Sometime in a few weeks (maybe March), I'll put together a recap of the
> off-season projects including the electrical updates on the boat.
>
> Part of the motivation was to make it easier to take my battery out each
> winter.  Each of the group 27 batteries weighed over 55 lbs.  My new
> battery weighs around 25 lbs.  It was a lot more expensive, but it has more
> usable power than both of the old batteries together, doesn't require
> maintenance, and due to the long lifecycle of the LiFePO4 battery, I don't
> anticipate having to buy a new battery for my R22 again.
>
> There are pros and cons to all the battery types and I'm not trying to
> convince anyone of what they should do.  My updated setup is overkill and
> beyond my needs, but this project was an excuse to learn more about DC
> electrical on boats and that's part of the fun of having a boat.  I'll
> provide some feedback to the list after I've used the new setup more next
> season.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 5:52 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Thomas,
> >
> > Do you remember the lithium battery fires on Samsung Galaxy smartphones
> > from a few years ago?  They were busting into flames in people?s pockets
> > and carry on luggage.  Several airlines banned them.  The issue is, we
> all
> > want more and more battery life from our devices and range from our
> > electric vehicles.  To increase the so called energy density, the lithium
> > battery manufacturers are cramming more and more anodes and cathodes
> closer
> > and closer together in their batteries.  These close tolerances makes
> them
> > more vulnerable to an internal short circuit and a fire. Things like
> > vibration, shock, heat, age, repeated charge/discharge cycles,
> > overcharging, and collision damage can also trigger an internal short.
> > Once an internal short starts, it can trigger a cascading failure wherein
> > the stored energy gets turned into heat, which causes more internal
> > shorting, more heat, and so on.  This kind of fire is very difficult to
> > extinguish because the stored energy just keeps reigniting it and there
> is
> > no way to separate the anodes and cathodes inside the sealed battery.
> > Fortunately, lithium battery safety is getting better; but, I just wanted
> > to warn people that want to switch over to electric propulsion about this
> > issue.  As lithium batteries proliferate thru our devices and vehicles
> and
> > the battery fleet ages, you can expect to see more and more of these
> > fires.  It?s one thing to burn up your laptop or your car, and quite
> > another to burn your boat.  At the very least, it could be the start of
> ?a
> > bad day on the water!?
> >
> > Roger Pihlaja
> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > Auxiliary engine powered by geochemically recycled biomass
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Feb 10, 2022, at 3:27 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?Mike,
> > >
> > > If your lithium battery is on fire, it might be pretty tough to get it
> > loose from the battery mount and then pick it up to throw it overboard!
> If
> > you could somehow get it overboard; that, would be good for the boat, but
> > bad for the environment.  Because of the huge amount of stored energy and
> > reactivity of lithium/water, I don?t think any commercially available
> fire
> > extinguisher would work on that type of fire.  That?s my whole point.
> > Although it?s a low probability event, if your lithium battery starts
> > burning, it might be a lose the boat situation.  There?s no good way to
> put
> > something like that out and it?s bolted down so you can?t get rid of it.
> > >
> > > Roger Pihlaja
> > > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Feb 10, 2022, at 2:28 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Roger,
> > >>
> > >> So ... If your Li battery is on fire, tossing it overboard is not
> > recommended, even if it saves the boat from burning to the waterline. Is
> > there a better recommendation than abandoning ship and watching the boat
> > and the battery sink? Is there a good device to extinguish a Li battery
> > fire? All I carry is a 10lb ABC extinguisher.
> > >>
> > >> Mike
> > >> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > ROGER PIHLAJA
> > >> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 2:11 PM
> > >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> > >>
> > >> Hi All,
> > >>
> > >> To all of you considering switching over to electric propulsion,
> > besides all the usual issues regarding electrical connections, corrosion,
> > and water; there are some additional precautions associated with
> > batteries.  Batteries must be securely mounted so they can?t tip over,
> > preferably low and near the center of the boat.  If lead/acid batteries
> get
> > dunked in sea water, the sulfuric acid electrolyte and lead sulfide on
> the
> > plates will react with the sodium chloride in sea water to produce
> chlorine
> > gas, which is quite toxic. If lead acid batteries are overcharged, they
> can
> > release hydrogen sulfide gas, which is very smelly and also toxic.  More
> > modern nickel/lithium batteries use lithium.  Lithium is a reactive
> alkali
> > metal and reacts with water to produce hydrogen gas, which is quite
> > flammable.  Note, if your lithium battery pack is on fire, do NOT try to
> > extinguish the fire with water!  You will only make things worse.  Modern
> > marine batteries are usually sealed against water intrusion; but,
> > especially with big battery packs, you need to be aware of what hazards
> you
> > are carrying.  It?s another big energy source that needs to be properly
> > handled and respected.
> > >>
> > >> Roger Pihlaja
> > >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> > >>
> > >> Sent from my iPhone
> > >>>> On Feb 10, 2022, at 9:25 AM, Matt Wilson <mwhornblower at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> ?Thanks for the links!
> > >>>
> > >>> Does anyone have any experience with CNCEST electric outboards?
> > >>> Thanks for the help, Matt
> > >>>
> > >>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 2:29 PM Michael D. Weisner
> > >>>> <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > >>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Several discussions have been logged on the list concerning electric
> > >>>> propulsion.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> A discussion about the Torqueedo sizes and capabilities starts at:
> > >>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhode
> > >>>> s22.org
> %2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-June%2F084960.html&amp;dat
> > >>>>
> a=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb43
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>
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> > >>>>
> 00&amp;sdata=wDOYGqdUtKG9Dkkne5U8vZ7rC5tsVggNlLsYTlFOQII%3D&amp;reser
> > >>>> ved=0 You may follow the thread by clicking on the "Next message"
> > >>>> links.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> The above thread was prompted by a discussion the previous month
> > >>>> entitled "Torqueedo article" at:
> > >>>>
> >
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.r%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cf5140ae7545b42940ee408d9ecdc1ff4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637801252461195511%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=v4Qy%2BCpFZgxJMx8eAdroYbPD1%2FCJKAre5oEhZna7c3k%3D&amp;reserved=0
> > >>>> hodes22.org
> %2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2F2020-May%2F084857.html&amp;
> > >>>>
> data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca12725%7C84df9e7fe9f640af
> > >>>>
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> > >>>>
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> > >>>>
> C3000&amp;sdata=riQXhxlo71EyrZS6yOWDTz4BZr91YVxZshpIQluaRlg%3D&amp;re
> > >>>> served=0 The original link to the article is bad, but, the German
> > >>>> version is still available at:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwass
> > >>>> erwanderer.de
> %2F2020%2F05%2F23%2Fwie-weit-kommt-man-mit-dem-torqeedo-
> > >>>>
> travel-wirklich%2F&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cecccd28626554ed06f6808d9eca1
> > >>>>
> 2725%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637800999165434674%
> > >>>>
> 7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6I
> > >>>>
> k1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=n295uejcLnI8feB2%2BzBUtg7o3G0v
> > >>>> rNOZ0IykRzpmv6Q%3D&amp;reserved=0 You can translate the text in 5000
> > >>>> character chunks using google translate to get the gist.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mike
> > >>>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > >>>> Nissequogue River, NY
> > >>>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf
> > Of
> > >>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 11:46 AM
> > >>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thanks guys,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Does anyone on this list has a minimum electric outboard thrust
> > >>>> recommendation or specific electric outboard recommendation? Budget
> > >>>> matters but since I will be making a claim on a nice motor that is
> > >>>> now missing, I have some money to play with.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Thank you!
> > >>>> Matt
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:17 AM Steve Bauman <sbauman369 at gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> About 2.5 years ago, I too used a trolling motor for a couple of
> > >>>>> weeks while my gas outboard engine was being serviced.  It was
> maybe
> > >>>>> a 50 pound thrust one, the largest I could buy at Walmart at that
> > >>>>> time.  I found it to be totally inadequate, even just to get me out
> > >>>>> of our marina
> > >>>> in mild wind.
> > >>>>> One time, I literally sailed, making shallow tacking turns, in
> > >>>>> addition to having the motor running full blast, to get out.  That
> > >>>>> being said, I love the idea of changing over to a proper electric
> > >>>>> outboard, something I may do for this coming season.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Steve
> > >>>>> Misty Anne
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Tue, Feb 8, 2022 at 10:30 AM Todd Robinson <
> ctrobins at outlook.com>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> I sail on Kerr Lake in NC. When my outboard failed and was going
> to
> > >>>>>> be in the shop for several months I purchased a Newport L trolling
> > >>>>>> motor that provided 62lbs of thrust. I loved how easy and quiet it
> > >>>>>> was but it could not handle much wind. Just getting out of the
> > >>>>>> marina was challenging when the wind was above 7 knots. It took a
> > >>>>>> while for it to get traction to overcome the wind and I started
> > >>>>>> worrying that I was not going to make it back to my slip much less
> > >>>>>> the lake. However, after going backwards a few slips it dug in and
> > >>>>>> I was able to get out and have a great day on the
> > >>>>> lake.
> > >>>>>> After that, I just went out when it wasn't so windy which probably
> > >>>>>> suits
> > >>>>> my
> > >>>>>> skill level better. When it came time to get the boat out of the
> > >>>>>> water,
> > >>>>> it
> > >>>>>> did not have any trouble getting the boat onto the trailer.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Outboard is repaired and will be the primary this year but I'll
> > >>>>>> keep the Newport onboard as a backup. Paddling back when the wind
> > >>>>>> dies is
> > >>>> not fun.
> > >>>>>> If I had the funds, I would love to switch to an electric
> outboard.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Disclaimer, I am new to boating so I'm sure a lot of my challenges
> > >>>>>> are
> > >>>>> due
> > >>>>>> to lack of knowledge/experience.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On
> Behalf
> > >>>>>> Of Matt Wilson
> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 8, 2022 8:59 AM
> > >>>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > >>>>>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Motor
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Hello everyone,
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I recently had my gas powered motor stolen off my boat in storage
> > >>>>>> and am looking for a replacement. I sail on a fairly large lake in
> > >>>>>> MN.  I am wondering if any of you have used a normal electric
> motor
> > >>>>>> (trolling
> > >>>>> motor)
> > >>>>>> in sheltered water and if so, what pounds of thrust?  I am mainly
> > >>>>>> using
> > >>>>> it
> > >>>>>> for maneuvering to and from my mooring and dock.  I suppose I
> would
> > >>>>>> occasionally need to get across the lake if the wind died.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Many thanks,
> > >>>>>> Matt Wilson
> > >>>>>> Hornblower II
> > >>>>>> White Bear Lake, MN
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> >
>

From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 20:04:34 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:04:34 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med wk 3
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fqyEW05A+8Btr60Y0xmFs1dZkwp3JiQ7dSYcr0_MHJRvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiUbrPTEqNFq=ZG2-33GbLraookK4rbjr9vQoNKPopsdrw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAPgvAEn=8FzQGUnWPa=QAZW4KK=NXOtHO67PMYgA+HVdTdPFhA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADNTwiWE2nNZDz7Rj_S0VwPpmhCCmg0Q1zd+HnA-1+E0Nz=VDw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMc-3fqyEW05A+8Btr60Y0xmFs1dZkwp3JiQ7dSYcr0_MHJRvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUpZq1WHm8HqphSVwWg0k8iFGuvrT2jK95ad+OO0XSH-g@mail.gmail.com>

Glad you enjoyed the ?trip?. I trying to figure out what to do with our
summer now that the boat is up for sale. Send any adventitious spirits you
know who might like to sail the Med my way!

Chris G.

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022 at 5:40 PM Jesse Shumaker <
jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, thanks for another great installment of your Greek adventures!  I'm
> looking forward to the next chapter....
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
> On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 6:07 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Lee,
> >         I taught physical science in middle school.  My syllabus was "A 3
> > part method of experimentation: Set it on fire, Throw it off the roof,
> blow
> > it up".  I've been keeping sailing journals for a lot of years, I think
> my
> > first was 50 years ago.  I guess the Kojack teaser is a contemporary of
> > "Who shot JR", grin.   You will have to wait for this exciting
> >  anticlimactic "little known fact".  I might put something forward in a
> > publication,  Gotta think about it.  Parts of my first journal did get
> > published in a recent book by Rod Heikel "a Gift of the Sea".  An
> > interesting history of yachting in the Med from Cleopatra's time to
> modern
> > times.  I'm positioned closer to Cleo.
> >
> > Chris G
> > Enosis/Zenos
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 7, 2022 at 3:41 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Chris,
> > >
> > > Some of my non-sailing friends think I'm adventurous because I even
> own a
> > > sailboat.  You and Alice are unbelievable!  I know you're a retired
> > teacher
> > > but I can't remember if you taught creative writing.  Very
> entertaining.
> > > Can't wait until your next installment.  The Kojak teaser has me on the
> > > edge of my seat.
> > >
> > > When you're done you should consider sending it to SAIL magazine.
> > They'll
> > > want it condensed to a few pages but they could include a link to the
> > > entire story.  I may be biased but it's a lot better than most of their
> > > cruising stories.
> > >
> > > Lee
> > > 1999 Rhodes22  AT EASE
> > > Claytor Lake, VA
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 6, 2022 at 10:19 PM Chris Geankoplis <
> > > chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well it is easier to sail 200 miles a week in Greece  than it is to
> > write
> > > > about it in a month in Florida.  Anyway, here is another eagerly
> > awaited
> > > > (meh) installment of the ongoing story of Alice's and my trip from
> > Corfu
> > > to
> > > > Turkey this last summer.  Below is the link.  Hopefully it will warm
> > you
> > > > all up a bit.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZM4eeuZkDcH6rqh9xgseYHUM5s6R5Xg4/view?usp=sharing
> > > >
> > > > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > > > S/V Enosis, Xenos
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

From koatimundi100 at gmail.com  Fri Feb 11 21:04:50 2022
From: koatimundi100 at gmail.com (peter klappert)
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2022 21:04:50 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards
Message-ID: <CAEZbNGDypwTFE-nLbvVYBQHXZzYXdD=Uot9w-0TzrFZ92i6GQA@mail.gmail.com>

A good source on Electric Outboards is plugboats.com. Based on their guide
to "Outboards more than 5kW," I've (about) decided to replace my Mercury
9.9 Bigfoot with the Elco 9.9 electric. I may be well offbase and
misinformed, but based on my crude calculations an appropriate, sealed
Lithium battery could be located well forward in the cockpit, in place of a
6-gallon gas tank.

An aside: I just read about interesting but under-powered options in the
3/22 SAIL magazine. The TEMO-450 Electric Outboard Wand is basically an
electric sculling oar that claims to "move a boat up to 1,100 lbs."
Obviously that would be ok for an RIB or a dinghy, not for us. But the
convenience & ease of use (as described) makes me fantasize about a small
Marshall Cat.

The other is a REMIGOONE Electric Outboard from Slovenia, "comparable to a
3 hp gas engine," which weights 27 lbs & has an adjustable mount.  My point
is just that electric outboards are coming at us fast, so to speak.
Europeans seem to be way ahead of us, both in innovative electric outboards
and electric power boats like the foiling Candela C8.


-- 
*>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*

*Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*

From lgioia at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 14 15:13:20 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:13:20 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Outboards
In-Reply-To: <CAEZbNGDypwTFE-nLbvVYBQHXZzYXdD=Uot9w-0TzrFZ92i6GQA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEZbNGDypwTFE-nLbvVYBQHXZzYXdD=Uot9w-0TzrFZ92i6GQA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05704AAA-7307-4A73-9AB8-431B19CFB652@yahoo.com>

Hi Peter,

I know most of us deal with currents, tides, big waves, etc., but I?m on small to medium lakes mostly with light winds, and am starting to think the Spirit 1.0 Evo 3hp may be the best thing for me - I?ve only seen this youtube video, haven?t bought one but looks pretty good. I?ve been using a 3.5hp mercury for 6 summers and am rarely on anything more than high idle:
  
https://youtu.be/zBaYYcIxonM
  

Larry

> On Feb 11, 2022, at 9:05 PM, peter klappert <koatimundi100 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?A good source on Electric Outboards is plugboats.com. Based on their guide
> to "Outboards more than 5kW," I've (about) decided to replace my Mercury
> 9.9 Bigfoot with the Elco 9.9 electric. I may be well offbase and
> misinformed, but based on my crude calculations an appropriate, sealed
> Lithium battery could be located well forward in the cockpit, in place of a
> 6-gallon gas tank.
> 
> An aside: I just read about interesting but under-powered options in the
> 3/22 SAIL magazine. The TEMO-450 Electric Outboard Wand is basically an
> electric sculling oar that claims to "move a boat up to 1,100 lbs."
> Obviously that would be ok for an RIB or a dinghy, not for us. But the
> convenience & ease of use (as described) makes me fantasize about a small
> Marshall Cat.
> 
> The other is a REMIGOONE Electric Outboard from Slovenia, "comparable to a
> 3 hp gas engine," which weights 27 lbs & has an adjustable mount.  My point
> is just that electric outboards are coming at us fast, so to speak.
> Europeans seem to be way ahead of us, both in innovative electric outboards
> and electric power boats like the foiling Candela C8.
> 
> 
> -- 
> *>>>>>>>>>  *[image: Sailboat on Messenger]*<<<<<<<<<*
> 
> *Peter Klappert5012 Bay State Road Palmetto, FL 34221*

From Joedempsey at hughes.net  Mon Feb 14 17:07:00 2022
From: Joedempsey at hughes.net (Joedempsey at hughes.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 17:07:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Panel Wiring
Message-ID: <0b6701d821ef$381302e0$a83908a0$@hughes.net>

I'm planning to replace my existing panel. As many have mentioned over the
years, the original wiring is extremely short making it nearly impossible to
manipulate. I'm considering splicing extensions onto the existing wires to
provide working lengths. I will use barrel connectors with heat shrink
insulation. Is there any reason I should not do this?  I'd appreciate any
advice on this. Thanks in advance.

 

Joe Dempsey

SV Respite

Deltaville, VA


From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Feb 14 19:12:19 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 18:12:19 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Electric Panel Wiring
In-Reply-To: <0b6701d821ef$381302e0$a83908a0$@hughes.net>
References: <0b6701d821ef$381302e0$a83908a0$@hughes.net>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fp-Cy30kGXTEUDQL96FugQsYbxbJJddk_MYAqUtYh7Hfg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Joe,

Yes, that's a reasonable approach to extend your wires using connectors
such as barrel, butt, or WAGO.  That would make it easier to pull out the
panel but there's still quite a bit going on in a small area and you still
have to be able to tuck the wires back in neatly after doing any work in
that area.  I decided to take the plunge and make fold down access along
with some other upgrades.  It is similar to what Peter and some others have
done.  Here's a link to Peter's video that includes a project like this:
https://youtu.be/RIzmrtydjbA

I attached a PDF with an overview of my recent changes.  In March, I plan
to draw up an electrical diagram for Zephyr and include some background on
other recent electrical changes.  I'll share that with the group.

Regardless of the approach you pursue, your future self will thank you if
you label the wires before disconnecting anything.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 4:07 PM <Joedempsey at hughes.net> wrote:

> I'm planning to replace my existing panel. As many have mentioned over the
> years, the original wiring is extremely short making it nearly impossible
> to
> manipulate. I'm considering splicing extensions onto the existing wires to
> provide working lengths. I will use barrel connectors with heat shrink
> insulation. Is there any reason I should not do this?  I'd appreciate any
> advice on this. Thanks in advance.
>
>
>
> Joe Dempsey
>
> SV Respite
>
> Deltaville, VA
>
>
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From Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com  Thu Feb 17 11:12:47 2022
From: Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 16:12:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
Message-ID: <DM6PR02MB6923D32400DB612F79454E4280369@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

On February 10, 2022; the 656 ft LOA car carrier cargo ship, the M/V Felicity Ace, departed from Emden, Germany with a cargo of nearly 4000 new Porsches and VW?s.  The Felicity Ace was bound for Davisville, Rhode Island and was due to arrive on February 23, 2022.  On February 16th, the Felicity Ace sent out a distress signal after a fire broke out in the cargo hold.  A Portuguese navy patrol boat and 4 other merchant vessels responded to the distress call.  All 22 crew members have been rescued.  But, the vessel is still on fire and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean near the Azores Islands.  The M/V Felicity Ace was built in 2005 as a dedicated car carrier and has modern fire suppression systems.  The cause of the fire is still under investigation and there is little information available as yet.  But, there were certainly a large number of Lithium battery EV?s among the cargo.  No matter how the fire started, the fact that the onboard fire suppression systems have been unable to extinguish it is suspicious.  Hopefully, they will somehow get the fire under control before the vessel sinks or we may never find out what happened.

Stay tuned, this could turn into a major Lithium battery EV safety scandal!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows


From reuben.mezrich at gmail.com  Thu Feb 17 15:20:53 2022
From: reuben.mezrich at gmail.com (Reuben Mezrich)
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2022 15:20:53 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where do you get cockpit cushions?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR02MB6923D32400DB612F79454E4280369@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR02MB6923D32400DB612F79454E4280369@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAHrO9mtUYF1p6FX_0x1tCrrZkkqCVzhO5Z=yqyMVB=ZyOcK=cA@mail.gmail.com>

My cockpit cushions have lost shape, lost comfort and have begun to smell
bad.....any recommendations as to where to get new ones?
--Reuben
Reuben Mezrich
Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston


>

From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Feb 21 08:33:08 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:33:08 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR02MB6923D32400DB612F79454E4280369@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR02MB6923D32400DB612F79454E4280369@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CH2PR02MB6920DD174590B28EA82A3776803A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hi All,

Almost 6 days after the fire started, the M/V Felicity Ace is still ablaze, unmanned, and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean.  Lithium battery fires burn much hotter vs ?ordinary? hydrocarbon fires.  In the attached picture, you can see a fire fighting ship attempting to cool the hull by spraying water on it.  But, ~1/4 of the exterior steel skin, just aft of amidships, has been already been burned away leaving only the underlying steel substructure and you can see lots of other steel skin plating blackened and ready to fail.  Firefighters cannot go on board because of the heat and toxic fumes given off by the burning Lithium batteries.  All they can do is spray water on the outside of the ship in the hope of cooling it off.  The only way I can think of extinguishing this fire would be to pump massive amounts of dry chemical fire extinguishing media through out the ship and smother the flames.  Then, you might have to wait weeks for the whole mess to cool off.  I think they are rushing an ocean tug to the scene.  But, the M/V Felicity Ace is too big to put in to any port in Azores Islands.  So, they would have to tow it someplace like Portugal?  There might be an issue getting any port to accept a burning ship!

Frankly, it?s a miracle the fuel tanks haven?t gone up yet!

With so much of the skin of the hull burned away, it?s only a matter of time before a storm swamps and sinks her.

Remember, these are the supposedly ?safer? batteries installed in EV?s.  There are starting to be more and more media stories about the role of the Lithium batteries in this fire.

[cid:image003.jpg at 01D826FD.9A2384B0]

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 8:12 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?

Hi All,

On February 10, 2022; the 656 ft LOA car carrier cargo ship, the M/V Felicity Ace, departed from Emden, Germany with a cargo of nearly 4000 new Porsches and VW?s.  The Felicity Ace was bound for Davisville, Rhode Island and was due to arrive on February 23, 2022.  On February 16th, the Felicity Ace sent out a distress signal after a fire broke out in the cargo hold.  A Portuguese navy patrol boat and 4 other merchant vessels responded to the distress call.  All 22 crew members have been rescued.  But, the vessel is still on fire and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean near the Azores Islands.  The M/V Felicity Ace was built in 2005 as a dedicated car carrier and has modern fire suppression systems.  The cause of the fire is still under investigation and there is little information available as yet.  But, there were certainly a large number of Lithium battery EV?s among the cargo.  No matter how the fire started, the fact that the onboard fire suppression systems have been unable to extinguish it is suspicious.  Hopefully, they will somehow get the fire under control before the vessel sinks or we may never find out what happened.

Stay tuned, this could turn into a major Lithium battery EV safety scandal!

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows


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From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com  Mon Feb 21 09:59:21 2022
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 08:59:21 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
In-Reply-To: <CH2PR02MB6920DD174590B28EA82A3776803A9@CH2PR02MB6920.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR02MB6923D32400DB612F79454E4280369@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <CAEqJHY4Dg=kxmyRcJfes4UgX_WsbJXcr4gMo5yrgCw8R6i9Maw@mail.gmail.com>

Well at least I can pickup an affordable car, soon, just has a little
smell....

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 7:33 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Almost 6 days after the fire started, the M/V Felicity Ace is still
> ablaze, unmanned, and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean.  Lithium battery fires
> burn much hotter vs ?ordinary? hydrocarbon fires.  In the attached picture,
> you can see a fire fighting ship attempting to cool the hull by spraying
> water on it.  But, ~1/4 of the exterior steel skin, just aft of amidships,
> has been already been burned away leaving only the underlying steel
> substructure and you can see lots of other steel skin plating blackened and
> ready to fail.  Firefighters cannot go on board because of the heat and
> toxic fumes given off by the burning Lithium batteries.  All they can do is
> spray water on the outside of the ship in the hope of cooling it off.  The
> only way I can think of extinguishing this fire would be to pump massive
> amounts of dry chemical fire extinguishing media through out the ship and
> smother the flames.  Then, you might have to wait weeks for the whole mess
> to cool off.  I think they are rushing an ocean tug to the scene.  But, the
> M/V Felicity Ace is too big to put in to any port in Azores Islands.  So,
> they would have to tow it someplace like Portugal?  There might be an issue
> getting any port to accept a burning ship!
>
> Frankly, it?s a miracle the fuel tanks haven?t gone up yet!
>
> With so much of the skin of the hull burned away, it?s only a matter of
> time before a storm swamps and sinks her.
>
> Remember, these are the supposedly ?safer? batteries installed in EV?s.
> There are starting to be more and more media stories about the role of the
> Lithium batteries in this fire.
>
> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D826FD.9A2384B0]
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 8:12 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
>
> Hi All,
>
> On February 10, 2022; the 656 ft LOA car carrier cargo ship, the M/V
> Felicity Ace, departed from Emden, Germany with a cargo of nearly 4000 new
> Porsches and VW?s.  The Felicity Ace was bound for Davisville, Rhode Island
> and was due to arrive on February 23, 2022.  On February 16th, the Felicity
> Ace sent out a distress signal after a fire broke out in the cargo hold.  A
> Portuguese navy patrol boat and 4 other merchant vessels responded to the
> distress call.  All 22 crew members have been rescued.  But, the vessel is
> still on fire and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean near the Azores Islands.
> The M/V Felicity Ace was built in 2005 as a dedicated car carrier and has
> modern fire suppression systems.  The cause of the fire is still under
> investigation and there is little information available as yet.  But, there
> were certainly a large number of Lithium battery EV?s among the cargo.  No
> matter how the fire started, the fact that the onboard fire suppression
> systems have been unable to extinguish it is suspicious.  Hopefully, they
> will somehow get the fire under control before the vessel sinks or we may
> never find out what happened.
>
> Stay tuned, this could turn into a major Lithium battery EV safety scandal!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Feb 21 12:58:43 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 12:58:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
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Wow, the picture says it all. What a mess! At least, all souls were
evacuated.

I'll bring the marshmallows. Not much else to do other than watch.

This reminds me of the BP Gulf oil wellhead failure and the Fukushima
(TepCo) nuclear disaster, not to mention Chernobil.

It seems that we, as engineers, have always been quick to create designs
that make wonderful use of alternative energy sources but have not properly
considered the various failure modes. Just think about the benefits of
nuclear energy and the associated consequences resulting from human or
environmental related disasters.

Once again, we have assembled an energy system that is burning so hot and
giving of toxic gases that it cannot be safely extinguished with existing
tools. When it burns through the hull, it will just continue to burn as it
settles to the sea floor, vaguely reminiscient of the nuclear subs lost
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sunken_nuclear_submarines).

I wonder if proper crash failure analysis has been performed for electric
vehicles ... Obviously, the delivery system failure scenario wasn't fully
evaluated.

I may begin charging my cell phone, laptop, video camera, drone and any
other Li based energy storage products, outside my home instead of on my
nightstand or kitchen table. I really never considered the reactivity of
such systems.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 8:33 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?

Hi All,

Almost 6 days after the fire started, the M/V Felicity Ace is still ablaze,
unmanned, and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean.  Lithium battery fires burn much
hotter vs "ordinary" hydrocarbon fires.  In the attached picture, you can
see a fire fighting ship attempting to cool the hull by spraying water on
it.  But, ~1/4 of the exterior steel skin, just aft of amidships, has been
already been burned away leaving only the underlying steel substructure and
you can see lots of other steel skin plating blackened and ready to fail.
Firefighters cannot go on board because of the heat and toxic fumes given
off by the burning Lithium batteries.  All they can do is spray water on the
outside of the ship in the hope of cooling it off.  The only way I can think
of extinguishing this fire would be to pump massive amounts of dry chemical
fire extinguishing media through out the ship and smother the flames.  Then,
you might have to wait weeks for the whole mess to cool off.  I think they
are rushing an ocean tug to the scene.  But, the M/V Felicity Ace is too big
to put in to any port in Azores Islands.  So, they would have to tow it
someplace like Portugal?  There might be an issue getting any port to accept
a burning ship!

Frankly, it's a miracle the fuel tanks haven't gone up yet!

With so much of the skin of the hull burned away, it's only a matter of time
before a storm swamps and sinks her.

Remember, these are the supposedly "safer" batteries installed in EV's.
There are starting to be more and more media stories about the role of the
Lithium batteries in this fire.

[cid:image003.jpg at 01D826FD.9A2384B0]

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium


From jamcando126 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 21 13:04:10 2022
From: jamcando126 at yahoo.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:04:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
In-Reply-To: <007d01d8274c$ab29f100$017dd300$@ebsmed.com>
References: <DM6PR02MB6923D32400DB612F79454E4280369@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <1767410961.332846.1645466650628@mail.yahoo.com>

Thanks for sharing.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Monday, February 21, 2022, 12:58 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:

Wow, the picture says it all. What a mess! At least, all souls were
evacuated.

I'll bring the marshmallows. Not much else to do other than watch.

This reminds me of the BP Gulf oil wellhead failure and the Fukushima
(TepCo) nuclear disaster, not to mention Chernobil.

It seems that we, as engineers, have always been quick to create designs
that make wonderful use of alternative energy sources but have not properly
considered the various failure modes. Just think about the benefits of
nuclear energy and the associated consequences resulting from human or
environmental related disasters.

Once again, we have assembled an energy system that is burning so hot and
giving of toxic gases that it cannot be safely extinguished with existing
tools. When it burns through the hull, it will just continue to burn as it
settles to the sea floor, vaguely reminiscient of the nuclear subs lost
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sunken_nuclear_submarines).

I wonder if proper crash failure analysis has been performed for electric
vehicles ... Obviously, the delivery system failure scenario wasn't fully
evaluated.

I may begin charging my cell phone, laptop, video camera, drone and any
other Li based energy storage products, outside my home instead of on my
nightstand or kitchen table. I really never considered the reactivity of
such systems.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
PIHLAJA
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 8:33 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?

Hi All,

Almost 6 days after the fire started, the M/V Felicity Ace is still ablaze,
unmanned, and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean.? Lithium battery fires burn much
hotter vs "ordinary" hydrocarbon fires.? In the attached picture, you can
see a fire fighting ship attempting to cool the hull by spraying water on
it.? But, ~1/4 of the exterior steel skin, just aft of amidships, has been
already been burned away leaving only the underlying steel substructure and
you can see lots of other steel skin plating blackened and ready to fail.
Firefighters cannot go on board because of the heat and toxic fumes given
off by the burning Lithium batteries.? All they can do is spray water on the
outside of the ship in the hope of cooling it off.? The only way I can think
of extinguishing this fire would be to pump massive amounts of dry chemical
fire extinguishing media through out the ship and smother the flames.? Then,
you might have to wait weeks for the whole mess to cool off.? I think they
are rushing an ocean tug to the scene.? But, the M/V Felicity Ace is too big
to put in to any port in Azores Islands.? So, they would have to tow it
someplace like Portugal?? There might be an issue getting any port to accept
a burning ship!

Frankly, it's a miracle the fuel tanks haven't gone up yet!

With so much of the skin of the hull burned away, it's only a matter of time
before a storm swamps and sinks her.

Remember, these are the supposedly "safer" batteries installed in EV's.
There are starting to be more and more media stories about the role of the
Lithium batteries in this fire.

[cid:image003.jpg at 01D826FD.9A2384B0]

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium





From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Feb 21 13:42:29 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:42:29 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
In-Reply-To: <007d01d8274c$ab29f100$017dd300$@ebsmed.com>
References: <DM6PR02MB6923D32400DB612F79454E4280369@DM6PR02MB6923.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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Hi All,

Speaking of not considering the consequences of failure, the lawyer handling the class action law suit against Boyce Hydro and the State of Michigan, regarding the May, 2020 dam failures and flooding, recently gave us an update.  Boyce Hydro has declared bankruptcy and the State of Michigan has condemned and seized all their property under eminent domain.  It seems Boyce Hydro only carried $3 million liability insurance!  That?s too small an amount of coverage by a factor of ~1000 X!  Our lawyer claims there are no State or Federal regulations regarding how much liability insurance an owner of a piece of private infrastructure must carry.  So, we let this private company build and operate a network of hydroelectric dams for almost a hundred years, fail to maintain them, and then walk away when the dams failed forcing ~11,000 people to evacuate, and billions of $ in property damage.  It?s just a miracle no one was killed.  Parts of my home town of Sanford, MI still look like a lunar landscape almost 2 years later.  If we get any compensation at all, it will be pennies on the dollar lost.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 12:58 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Wow, the picture says it all. What a mess! At least, all souls were
> evacuated.
> 
> I'll bring the marshmallows. Not much else to do other than watch.
> 
> This reminds me of the BP Gulf oil wellhead failure and the Fukushima
> (TepCo) nuclear disaster, not to mention Chernobil.
> 
> It seems that we, as engineers, have always been quick to create designs
> that make wonderful use of alternative energy sources but have not properly
> considered the various failure modes. Just think about the benefits of
> nuclear energy and the associated consequences resulting from human or
> environmental related disasters.
> 
> Once again, we have assembled an energy system that is burning so hot and
> giving of toxic gases that it cannot be safely extinguished with existing
> tools. When it burns through the hull, it will just continue to burn as it
> settles to the sea floor, vaguely reminiscient of the nuclear subs lost
> (https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FList_of_sunken_nuclear_submarines&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Cce87d8e2a2a84b6c9e8f08d9f563d189%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637810631363311010%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=VY1LVXmAL8jjbhgDVne9INaHH%2BMnSfGkUjIkdK5PX6c%3D&amp;reserved=0).
> 
> I wonder if proper crash failure analysis has been performed for electric
> vehicles ... Obviously, the delivery system failure scenario wasn't fully
> evaluated.
> 
> I may begin charging my cell phone, laptop, video camera, drone and any
> other Li based energy storage products, outside my home instead of on my
> nightstand or kitchen table. I really never considered the reactivity of
> such systems.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of ROGER
> PIHLAJA
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 8:33 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Almost 6 days after the fire started, the M/V Felicity Ace is still ablaze,
> unmanned, and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean.  Lithium battery fires burn much
> hotter vs "ordinary" hydrocarbon fires.  In the attached picture, you can
> see a fire fighting ship attempting to cool the hull by spraying water on
> it.  But, ~1/4 of the exterior steel skin, just aft of amidships, has been
> already been burned away leaving only the underlying steel substructure and
> you can see lots of other steel skin plating blackened and ready to fail.
> Firefighters cannot go on board because of the heat and toxic fumes given
> off by the burning Lithium batteries.  All they can do is spray water on the
> outside of the ship in the hope of cooling it off.  The only way I can think
> of extinguishing this fire would be to pump massive amounts of dry chemical
> fire extinguishing media through out the ship and smother the flames.  Then,
> you might have to wait weeks for the whole mess to cool off.  I think they
> are rushing an ocean tug to the scene.  But, the M/V Felicity Ace is too big
> to put in to any port in Azores Islands.  So, they would have to tow it
> someplace like Portugal?  There might be an issue getting any port to accept
> a burning ship!
> 
> Frankly, it's a miracle the fuel tanks haven't gone up yet!
> 
> With so much of the skin of the hull burned away, it's only a matter of time
> before a storm swamps and sinks her.
> 
> Remember, these are the supposedly "safer" batteries installed in EV's.
> There are starting to be more and more media stories about the role of the
> Lithium batteries in this fire.
> 
> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D826FD.9A2384B0]
> 
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> 

From mark at whipplefamily.com  Mon Feb 21 14:13:15 2022
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:13:15 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
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Message-ID: <CA+WP5ATsxenKkz6=TTkodbXQfr3uafqPta3WoB2dxEtoRB_JfA@mail.gmail.com>

I agree that it's highly probable that there are EV vehicles with lithium
batteries among the nearly 4,000 vehicles on board, but it's a good bet
there are also many conventionally powered vehicles with gasoline in the
tanks. Once the rubber and plastic parts on any car ignite it can be
difficult to extinguish - especially if a number of vehicles become
enflamed. I'm going to guess it will be months or years before the causes
of the fire are identified and publicized - if the ship actually makes it
to a port to be examined.

Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *Luna Mia*


On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 8:33 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Almost 6 days after the fire started, the M/V Felicity Ace is still
> ablaze, unmanned, and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean.  Lithium battery fires
> burn much hotter vs ?ordinary? hydrocarbon fires.  In the attached picture,
> you can see a fire fighting ship attempting to cool the hull by spraying
> water on it.  But, ~1/4 of the exterior steel skin, just aft of amidships,
> has been already been burned away leaving only the underlying steel
> substructure and you can see lots of other steel skin plating blackened and
> ready to fail.  Firefighters cannot go on board because of the heat and
> toxic fumes given off by the burning Lithium batteries.  All they can do is
> spray water on the outside of the ship in the hope of cooling it off.  The
> only way I can think of extinguishing this fire would be to pump massive
> amounts of dry chemical fire extinguishing media through out the ship and
> smother the flames.  Then, you might have to wait weeks for the whole mess
> to cool off.  I think they are rushing an ocean tug to the scene.  But, the
> M/V Felicity Ace is too big to put in to any port in Azores Islands.  So,
> they would have to tow it someplace like Portugal?  There might be an issue
> getting any port to accept a burning ship!
>
> Frankly, it?s a miracle the fuel tanks haven?t gone up yet!
>
> With so much of the skin of the hull burned away, it?s only a matter of
> time before a storm swamps and sinks her.
>
> Remember, these are the supposedly ?safer? batteries installed in EV?s.
> There are starting to be more and more media stories about the role of the
> Lithium batteries in this fire.
>
> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D826FD.9A2384B0]
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 8:12 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
>
> Hi All,
>
> On February 10, 2022; the 656 ft LOA car carrier cargo ship, the M/V
> Felicity Ace, departed from Emden, Germany with a cargo of nearly 4000 new
> Porsches and VW?s.  The Felicity Ace was bound for Davisville, Rhode Island
> and was due to arrive on February 23, 2022.  On February 16th, the Felicity
> Ace sent out a distress signal after a fire broke out in the cargo hold.  A
> Portuguese navy patrol boat and 4 other merchant vessels responded to the
> distress call.  All 22 crew members have been rescued.  But, the vessel is
> still on fire and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean near the Azores Islands.
> The M/V Felicity Ace was built in 2005 as a dedicated car carrier and has
> modern fire suppression systems.  The cause of the fire is still under
> investigation and there is little information available as yet.  But, there
> were certainly a large number of Lithium battery EV?s among the cargo.  No
> matter how the fire started, the fact that the onboard fire suppression
> systems have been unable to extinguish it is suspicious.  Hopefully, they
> will somehow get the fire under control before the vessel sinks or we may
> never find out what happened.
>
> Stay tuned, this could turn into a major Lithium battery EV safety scandal!
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Mon Feb 21 15:52:37 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 20:52:37 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
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Mark,

You make a good point about the rest of the vehicles on board the ship.  However, I noticed that throughout this event, the color of the smoke coming from the ship was white.  This color smoke is characteristic of lithium fires.  Whereas, if hydrocarbons, like gasoline, fuel oil, or tires were burning, particularly in a depleted oxygen environment, the smoke would be black.  The lithium fires may have raised the interior temperature so high; that, the carbon particles in the black hydrocarbon smoke are being completely combusted to white ash particles, producing white smoke.  This would be consistent with the steel outer hull skin panels being destroyed.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I agree that it's highly probable that there are EV vehicles with lithium
> batteries among the nearly 4,000 vehicles on board, but it's a good bet
> there are also many conventionally powered vehicles with gasoline in the
> tanks. Once the rubber and plastic parts on any car ignite it can be
> difficult to extinguish - especially if a number of vehicles become
> enflamed. I'm going to guess it will be months or years before the causes
> of the fire are identified and publicized - if the ship actually makes it
> to a port to be examined.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Boston, MA
> 
> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 8:33 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> Almost 6 days after the fire started, the M/V Felicity Ace is still
>> ablaze, unmanned, and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean.  Lithium battery fires
>> burn much hotter vs ?ordinary? hydrocarbon fires.  In the attached picture,
>> you can see a fire fighting ship attempting to cool the hull by spraying
>> water on it.  But, ~1/4 of the exterior steel skin, just aft of amidships,
>> has been already been burned away leaving only the underlying steel
>> substructure and you can see lots of other steel skin plating blackened and
>> ready to fail.  Firefighters cannot go on board because of the heat and
>> toxic fumes given off by the burning Lithium batteries.  All they can do is
>> spray water on the outside of the ship in the hope of cooling it off.  The
>> only way I can think of extinguishing this fire would be to pump massive
>> amounts of dry chemical fire extinguishing media through out the ship and
>> smother the flames.  Then, you might have to wait weeks for the whole mess
>> to cool off.  I think they are rushing an ocean tug to the scene.  But, the
>> M/V Felicity Ace is too big to put in to any port in Azores Islands.  So,
>> they would have to tow it someplace like Portugal?  There might be an issue
>> getting any port to accept a burning ship!
>> 
>> Frankly, it?s a miracle the fuel tanks haven?t gone up yet!
>> 
>> With so much of the skin of the hull burned away, it?s only a matter of
>> time before a storm swamps and sinks her.
>> 
>> Remember, these are the supposedly ?safer? batteries installed in EV?s.
>> There are starting to be more and more media stories about the role of the
>> Lithium batteries in this fire.
>> 
>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D826FD.9A2384B0]
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Caa21f94aae144772524808d9f56e3f70%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637810676155999804%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=x5D7AnUyxz4IV6mAChCC%2FuE%2FGXJKUAxIRtxA9EJwb%2BI%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
>> 
>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 8:12 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> On February 10, 2022; the 656 ft LOA car carrier cargo ship, the M/V
>> Felicity Ace, departed from Emden, Germany with a cargo of nearly 4000 new
>> Porsches and VW?s.  The Felicity Ace was bound for Davisville, Rhode Island
>> and was due to arrive on February 23, 2022.  On February 16th, the Felicity
>> Ace sent out a distress signal after a fire broke out in the cargo hold.  A
>> Portuguese navy patrol boat and 4 other merchant vessels responded to the
>> distress call.  All 22 crew members have been rescued.  But, the vessel is
>> still on fire and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean near the Azores Islands.
>> The M/V Felicity Ace was built in 2005 as a dedicated car carrier and has
>> modern fire suppression systems.  The cause of the fire is still under
>> investigation and there is little information available as yet.  But, there
>> were certainly a large number of Lithium battery EV?s among the cargo.  No
>> matter how the fire started, the fact that the onboard fire suppression
>> systems have been unable to extinguish it is suspicious.  Hopefully, they
>> will somehow get the fire under control before the vessel sinks or we may
>> never find out what happened.
>> 
>> Stay tuned, this could turn into a major Lithium battery EV safety scandal!
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from Mail<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Caa21f94aae144772524808d9f56e3f70%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637810676155999804%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=x5D7AnUyxz4IV6mAChCC%2FuE%2FGXJKUAxIRtxA9EJwb%2BI%3D&amp;reserved=0> for Windows
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>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220221%2Fe82a1410%2Fattachment.jpg&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Caa21f94aae144772524808d9f56e3f70%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637810676155999804%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=yxC2Pj7j1yRnlb3I6272PGs3XIDThBJ7mpmsXE%2FT0SI%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>> 
>> 

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Feb 21 16:28:11 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 13:28:11 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
Message-ID: <E1nMGE7-003ADp-5L@s152.servername.online>

On Jan 18, 2022 Mike W said:

    I will tally all of the financial donations and report.

So, out of curiosity, how'd we do Mike?

--Peter

From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 21 17:47:07 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 16:47:07 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1nMGE7-003ADp-5L@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nMGE7-003ADp-5L@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <E39634B6-2B33-4482-A120-0D215D28E236@gmail.com>

Peter, can you check to see if contribution was received? 
Thanks 
Rodney 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 15:28, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?On Jan 18, 2022 Mike W said:
> 
>    I will tally all of the financial donations and report.
> 
> So, out of curiosity, how'd we do Mike?
> 
> --Peter

From peter at sunnybeeches.com  Mon Feb 21 17:53:39 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 14:53:39 -0800
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
Message-ID: <E1nMHYp-008rQy-E3@s152.servername.online>

Rodney,

I cannot.  The contribution goes to Mike's PayPal account, which of course, I have no access to.  But, if you got a debit on your end (credit card, bank account, whatever), then I'd be pretty confident that Mike got a credit on his end.

--Peter

> On 2022-02-21, at 17:47:07 EST, Rodney Brown wrote:
>
> Peter, can you check to see if contribution was received?
> Thanks
> Rodney
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 


From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Feb 21 18:22:39 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 18:22:39 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1nMHYp-008rQy-E3@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nMHYp-008rQy-E3@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <004701d82779$ebd96a50$c38c3ef0$@ebsmed.com>

Rodney,

Yes, your generous donation was indeed received on Jan 25th!

Thank you,
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)

-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 5:54 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder

Rodney,

I cannot.  The contribution goes to Mike's PayPal account, which of course, I have no access to.  But, if you got a debit on your end (credit card, bank account, whatever), then I'd be pretty confident that Mike got a credit on his end.

--Peter

> On 2022-02-21, at 17:47:07 EST, Rodney Brown wrote:
>
> Peter, can you check to see if contribution was received?
> Thanks
> Rodney
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 


From rnelson204 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 21 18:23:30 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 17:23:30 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1nMHYp-008rQy-E3@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nMHYp-008rQy-E3@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <BA2F9000-931A-452B-82CF-900B3414D582@gmail.com>

Thx Peter, i forgot that it went to Mike ?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 16:53, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Rodney,
> 
> I cannot.  The contribution goes to Mike's PayPal account, which of course, I have no access to.  But, if you got a debit on your end (credit card, bank account, whatever), then I'd be pretty confident that Mike got a credit on his end.
> 
> --Peter
> 
>> On 2022-02-21, at 17:47:07 EST, Rodney Brown wrote:
>> 
>> Peter, can you check to see if contribution was received?
>> Thanks
>> Rodney
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
> 

From mweisner at ebsmed.com  Mon Feb 21 19:20:17 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:20:17 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <E1nMGE7-003ADp-5L@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nMGE7-003ADp-5L@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <004c01d82781$f8dee010$ea9ca030$@ebsmed.com>

Fellow Rhodies,

The donors have been very generous! We have had donations ranging from $10 to $100. The fee for using a credit card varies depending on whether the card carries rewards points or not. The average fee is about 5.4% over the past year.

The total contributed since March 10, 2021 (starting date) is $1,257.00, netting $1,188.93 after $68.07 in fees. Everybody give themselves a hand!

By the middle of March 2021, we had collected $160.86, so I was able to pay the annual web hosting fee of $148.74 without being out of pocket any longer. When the bill came due this month, I was able to pay the $150.16 from the donations. We currently have $890.03 in the donations basket.

I plan to utilize some of the donations to create a larger version of the current website, providing the necessary infrastructure to support the website that Peter Nyberg developed last spring. It permitted posting directly on the website (Nabble forum style) so that emails would not be required. The Mailman email list will still be supported, permitting Rhodies to use the interface of their choice (email or forum). Additionally, we need to purchase a security certificate to prevent the site from being viewed as a security risk by the newer web browsers. Even with all of this ambitious work, I hope to have $400-$500 left for the future.

Thanks to all of the Rhodies for their generous contributions and to Peter for convincing me to put a donations button on the new site.

Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)




-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 4:28 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder

On Jan 18, 2022 Mike W said:

    I will tally all of the financial donations and report.

So, out of curiosity, how'd we do Mike?

--Peter


From goldsmith.cf at gmail.com  Mon Feb 21 19:23:22 2022
From: goldsmith.cf at gmail.com (Frank Goldsmith)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:23:22 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <004c01d82781$f8dee010$ea9ca030$@ebsmed.com>
References: <E1nMGE7-003ADp-5L@s152.servername.online>
 <004c01d82781$f8dee010$ea9ca030$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <C6D9CC3D-07B6-4AD0-A588-CFF50AFAE2D0@gmail.com>

Excellent!  I?m glad we Rhodies have come through to support your good work ? thanks for undertaking a task that many of us (myself certainly included) would find too daunting. 

Frank

Frank Goldsmith
S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
Fairview, NC
Lake Keowee, SC

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 7:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
> 
> Fellow Rhodies,
> 
> The donors have been very generous! We have had donations ranging from $10 to $100. The fee for using a credit card varies depending on whether the card carries rewards points or not. The average fee is about 5.4% over the past year.
> 
> The total contributed since March 10, 2021 (starting date) is $1,257.00, netting $1,188.93 after $68.07 in fees. Everybody give themselves a hand!
> 
> By the middle of March 2021, we had collected $160.86, so I was able to pay the annual web hosting fee of $148.74 without being out of pocket any longer. When the bill came due this month, I was able to pay the $150.16 from the donations. We currently have $890.03 in the donations basket.
> 
> I plan to utilize some of the donations to create a larger version of the current website, providing the necessary infrastructure to support the website that Peter Nyberg developed last spring. It permitted posting directly on the website (Nabble forum style) so that emails would not be required. The Mailman email list will still be supported, permitting Rhodies to use the interface of their choice (email or forum). Additionally, we need to purchase a security certificate to prevent the site from being viewed as a security risk by the newer web browsers. Even with all of this ambitious work, I hope to have $400-$500 left for the future.
> 
> Thanks to all of the Rhodies for their generous contributions and to Peter for convincing me to put a donations button on the new site.
> 
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 4:28 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
> 
> On Jan 18, 2022 Mike W said:
> 
>    I will tally all of the financial donations and report.
> 
> So, out of curiosity, how'd we do Mike?
> 
> --Peter
> 


From mark at whipplefamily.com  Mon Feb 21 19:26:06 2022
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 19:26:06 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
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Sorry, Roger. I thought the white smoke meant there was a new pope. ?

Mark

Boston, MA

2000 R22 *Luna Mia*


On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 3:52 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> You make a good point about the rest of the vehicles on board the ship.
> However, I noticed that throughout this event, the color of the smoke
> coming from the ship was white.  This color smoke is characteristic of
> lithium fires.  Whereas, if hydrocarbons, like gasoline, fuel oil, or tires
> were burning, particularly in a depleted oxygen environment, the smoke
> would be black.  The lithium fires may have raised the interior temperature
> so high; that, the carbon particles in the black hydrocarbon smoke are
> being completely combusted to white ash particles, producing white smoke.
> This would be consistent with the steel outer hull skin panels being
> destroyed.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I agree that it's highly probable that there are EV vehicles with
> lithium
> > batteries among the nearly 4,000 vehicles on board, but it's a good bet
> > there are also many conventionally powered vehicles with gasoline in the
> > tanks. Once the rubber and plastic parts on any car ignite it can be
> > difficult to extinguish - especially if a number of vehicles become
> > enflamed. I'm going to guess it will be months or years before the causes
> > of the fire are identified and publicized - if the ship actually makes it
> > to a port to be examined.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Boston, MA
> >
> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 8:33 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Almost 6 days after the fire started, the M/V Felicity Ace is still
> >> ablaze, unmanned, and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean.  Lithium battery
> fires
> >> burn much hotter vs ?ordinary? hydrocarbon fires.  In the attached
> picture,
> >> you can see a fire fighting ship attempting to cool the hull by spraying
> >> water on it.  But, ~1/4 of the exterior steel skin, just aft of
> amidships,
> >> has been already been burned away leaving only the underlying steel
> >> substructure and you can see lots of other steel skin plating blackened
> and
> >> ready to fail.  Firefighters cannot go on board because of the heat and
> >> toxic fumes given off by the burning Lithium batteries.  All they can
> do is
> >> spray water on the outside of the ship in the hope of cooling it off.
> The
> >> only way I can think of extinguishing this fire would be to pump massive
> >> amounts of dry chemical fire extinguishing media through out the ship
> and
> >> smother the flames.  Then, you might have to wait weeks for the whole
> mess
> >> to cool off.  I think they are rushing an ocean tug to the scene.  But,
> the
> >> M/V Felicity Ace is too big to put in to any port in Azores Islands.
> So,
> >> they would have to tow it someplace like Portugal?  There might be an
> issue
> >> getting any port to accept a burning ship!
> >>
> >> Frankly, it?s a miracle the fuel tanks haven?t gone up yet!
> >>
> >> With so much of the skin of the hull burned away, it?s only a matter of
> >> time before a storm swamps and sinks her.
> >>
> >> Remember, these are the supposedly ?safer? batteries installed in EV?s.
> >> There are starting to be more and more media stories about the role of
> the
> >> Lithium batteries in this fire.
> >>
> >> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D826FD.9A2384B0]
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Caa21f94aae144772524808d9f56e3f70%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637810676155999804%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=x5D7AnUyxz4IV6mAChCC%2FuE%2FGXJKUAxIRtxA9EJwb%2BI%3D&amp;reserved=0>
> for Windows
> >>
> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 8:12 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> On February 10, 2022; the 656 ft LOA car carrier cargo ship, the M/V
> >> Felicity Ace, departed from Emden, Germany with a cargo of nearly 4000
> new
> >> Porsches and VW?s.  The Felicity Ace was bound for Davisville, Rhode
> Island
> >> and was due to arrive on February 23, 2022.  On February 16th, the
> Felicity
> >> Ace sent out a distress signal after a fire broke out in the cargo
> hold.  A
> >> Portuguese navy patrol boat and 4 other merchant vessels responded to
> the
> >> distress call.  All 22 crew members have been rescued.  But, the vessel
> is
> >> still on fire and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean near the Azores Islands.
> >> The M/V Felicity Ace was built in 2005 as a dedicated car carrier and
> has
> >> modern fire suppression systems.  The cause of the fire is still under
> >> investigation and there is little information available as yet.  But,
> there
> >> were certainly a large number of Lithium battery EV?s among the cargo.
> No
> >> matter how the fire started, the fact that the onboard fire suppression
> >> systems have been unable to extinguish it is suspicious.  Hopefully,
> they
> >> will somehow get the fire under control before the vessel sinks or we
> may
> >> never find out what happened.
> >>
> >> Stay tuned, this could turn into a major Lithium battery EV safety
> scandal!
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Caa21f94aae144772524808d9f56e3f70%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637810676155999804%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=x5D7AnUyxz4IV6mAChCC%2FuE%2FGXJKUAxIRtxA9EJwb%2BI%3D&amp;reserved=0>
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> >>
> >>
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>

From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com  Mon Feb 21 21:49:15 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 20:49:15 -0600
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where do you get cockpit cushions?
In-Reply-To: <CAHrO9mtUYF1p6FX_0x1tCrrZkkqCVzhO5Z=yqyMVB=ZyOcK=cA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Reuben, I think Stan may be a source for new/used cushions.  When I was
looking for cushions a couple years ago, C Cushions (http://ccushions.com/)
was recommended to me, but I had a hard time getting in contact with them.
In the end, I went with a local sailor, Steve Hosch since he makes cockpit
cushions, sails, sail covers, boat covers, etc.  He made a set that I'm
happy with.  The foam is 3" thick and it makes for comfortable seating.
The admiral was much more willing to go sailing with me once we had cockpit
cushions.  There are two on each side and I can stow all four in a stack on
one side of the v-berth.  I think he still has the patterns and if he
needed to double check any measurements, my boat is parked right next to
his in the warehouse where we do boat work over the winter.  You can see
some photos towards the end of the document at the link below:
http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/Zephyr%20Projects%20&%20Boat%20Tour.pdf

If you want to contact Steve, you can reach him at cptnhosch at yahoo.com.
Feel free to send any questions my way if you need any additional info.

Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr

On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 2:21 PM Reuben Mezrich <reuben.mezrich at gmail.com>
wrote:

> My cockpit cushions have lost shape, lost comfort and have begun to smell
> bad.....any recommendations as to where to get new ones?
> --Reuben
> Reuben Mezrich
> Pelican Cove in Sarasota and Back Bay, Boston
>
>
> >
>

From tavares0947 at gmail.com  Tue Feb 22 13:52:00 2022
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 13:52:00 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
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Roger,

Does a lithium fire create its own oxygen or combustible oxides, like
magnesium?

Todd T.

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 3:52 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> You make a good point about the rest of the vehicles on board the ship.
> However, I noticed that throughout this event, the color of the smoke
> coming from the ship was white.  This color smoke is characteristic of
> lithium fires.  Whereas, if hydrocarbons, like gasoline, fuel oil, or tires
> were burning, particularly in a depleted oxygen environment, the smoke
> would be black.  The lithium fires may have raised the interior temperature
> so high; that, the carbon particles in the black hydrocarbon smoke are
> being completely combusted to white ash particles, producing white smoke.
> This would be consistent with the steel outer hull skin panels being
> destroyed.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?I agree that it's highly probable that there are EV vehicles with
> lithium
> > batteries among the nearly 4,000 vehicles on board, but it's a good bet
> > there are also many conventionally powered vehicles with gasoline in the
> > tanks. Once the rubber and plastic parts on any car ignite it can be
> > difficult to extinguish - especially if a number of vehicles become
> > enflamed. I'm going to guess it will be months or years before the causes
> > of the fire are identified and publicized - if the ship actually makes it
> > to a port to be examined.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > Boston, MA
> >
> > 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 8:33 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> Almost 6 days after the fire started, the M/V Felicity Ace is still
> >> ablaze, unmanned, and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean.  Lithium battery
> fires
> >> burn much hotter vs ?ordinary? hydrocarbon fires.  In the attached
> picture,
> >> you can see a fire fighting ship attempting to cool the hull by spraying
> >> water on it.  But, ~1/4 of the exterior steel skin, just aft of
> amidships,
> >> has been already been burned away leaving only the underlying steel
> >> substructure and you can see lots of other steel skin plating blackened
> and
> >> ready to fail.  Firefighters cannot go on board because of the heat and
> >> toxic fumes given off by the burning Lithium batteries.  All they can
> do is
> >> spray water on the outside of the ship in the hope of cooling it off.
> The
> >> only way I can think of extinguishing this fire would be to pump massive
> >> amounts of dry chemical fire extinguishing media through out the ship
> and
> >> smother the flames.  Then, you might have to wait weeks for the whole
> mess
> >> to cool off.  I think they are rushing an ocean tug to the scene.  But,
> the
> >> M/V Felicity Ace is too big to put in to any port in Azores Islands.
> So,
> >> they would have to tow it someplace like Portugal?  There might be an
> issue
> >> getting any port to accept a burning ship!
> >>
> >> Frankly, it?s a miracle the fuel tanks haven?t gone up yet!
> >>
> >> With so much of the skin of the hull burned away, it?s only a matter of
> >> time before a storm swamps and sinks her.
> >>
> >> Remember, these are the supposedly ?safer? batteries installed in EV?s.
> >> There are starting to be more and more media stories about the role of
> the
> >> Lithium batteries in this fire.
> >>
> >> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D826FD.9A2384B0]
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail<
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> >>
> >> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 8:12 AM
> >> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> >> Subject: An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
> >>
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >> On February 10, 2022; the 656 ft LOA car carrier cargo ship, the M/V
> >> Felicity Ace, departed from Emden, Germany with a cargo of nearly 4000
> new
> >> Porsches and VW?s.  The Felicity Ace was bound for Davisville, Rhode
> Island
> >> and was due to arrive on February 23, 2022.  On February 16th, the
> Felicity
> >> Ace sent out a distress signal after a fire broke out in the cargo
> hold.  A
> >> Portuguese navy patrol boat and 4 other merchant vessels responded to
> the
> >> distress call.  All 22 crew members have been rescued.  But, the vessel
> is
> >> still on fire and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean near the Azores Islands.
> >> The M/V Felicity Ace was built in 2005 as a dedicated car carrier and
> has
> >> modern fire suppression systems.  The cause of the fire is still under
> >> investigation and there is little information available as yet.  But,
> there
> >> were certainly a large number of Lithium battery EV?s among the cargo.
> No
> >> matter how the fire started, the fact that the onboard fire suppression
> >> systems have been unable to extinguish it is suspicious.  Hopefully,
> they
> >> will somehow get the fire under control before the vessel sinks or we
> may
> >> never find out what happened.
> >>
> >> Stay tuned, this could turn into a major Lithium battery EV safety
> scandal!
> >>
> >> Roger Pihlaja
> >> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >>
> >> Sent from Mail<
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7Caa21f94aae144772524808d9f56e3f70%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637810676155999804%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=x5D7AnUyxz4IV6mAChCC%2FuE%2FGXJKUAxIRtxA9EJwb%2BI%3D&amp;reserved=0>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com  Tue Feb 22 14:01:10 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2022 19:01:10 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
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Todd,

Lithium reacts with water to give lithium hydroxide, hydrogen gas, and lots of heat.  Hydrogen is very flammable and lithium hydroxide is very alkaline and corrosive.  But, the stored electrical energy in the battery is an issue as well.  As the battery is destroyed, that energy doesn?t just disappear.  It ends up as heat.

Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 22, 2022, at 1:52 PM, Todd Tavares <tavares0947 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Roger,
> 
> Does a lithium fire create its own oxygen or combustible oxides, like
> magnesium?
> 
> Todd T.
> 
>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022, 3:52 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mark,
>> 
>> You make a good point about the rest of the vehicles on board the ship.
>> However, I noticed that throughout this event, the color of the smoke
>> coming from the ship was white.  This color smoke is characteristic of
>> lithium fires.  Whereas, if hydrocarbons, like gasoline, fuel oil, or tires
>> were burning, particularly in a depleted oxygen environment, the smoke
>> would be black.  The lithium fires may have raised the interior temperature
>> so high; that, the carbon particles in the black hydrocarbon smoke are
>> being completely combusted to white ash particles, producing white smoke.
>> This would be consistent with the steel outer hull skin panels being
>> destroyed.
>> 
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 2:13 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?I agree that it's highly probable that there are EV vehicles with
>> lithium
>>> batteries among the nearly 4,000 vehicles on board, but it's a good bet
>>> there are also many conventionally powered vehicles with gasoline in the
>>> tanks. Once the rubber and plastic parts on any car ignite it can be
>>> difficult to extinguish - especially if a number of vehicles become
>>> enflamed. I'm going to guess it will be months or years before the causes
>>> of the fire are identified and publicized - if the ship actually makes it
>>> to a port to be examined.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Boston, MA
>>> 
>>> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 8:33 AM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> Almost 6 days after the fire started, the M/V Felicity Ace is still
>>>> ablaze, unmanned, and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean.  Lithium battery
>> fires
>>>> burn much hotter vs ?ordinary? hydrocarbon fires.  In the attached
>> picture,
>>>> you can see a fire fighting ship attempting to cool the hull by spraying
>>>> water on it.  But, ~1/4 of the exterior steel skin, just aft of
>> amidships,
>>>> has been already been burned away leaving only the underlying steel
>>>> substructure and you can see lots of other steel skin plating blackened
>> and
>>>> ready to fail.  Firefighters cannot go on board because of the heat and
>>>> toxic fumes given off by the burning Lithium batteries.  All they can
>> do is
>>>> spray water on the outside of the ship in the hope of cooling it off.
>> The
>>>> only way I can think of extinguishing this fire would be to pump massive
>>>> amounts of dry chemical fire extinguishing media through out the ship
>> and
>>>> smother the flames.  Then, you might have to wait weeks for the whole
>> mess
>>>> to cool off.  I think they are rushing an ocean tug to the scene.  But,
>> the
>>>> M/V Felicity Ace is too big to put in to any port in Azores Islands.
>> So,
>>>> they would have to tow it someplace like Portugal?  There might be an
>> issue
>>>> getting any port to accept a burning ship!
>>>> 
>>>> Frankly, it?s a miracle the fuel tanks haven?t gone up yet!
>>>> 
>>>> With so much of the skin of the hull burned away, it?s only a matter of
>>>> time before a storm swamps and sinks her.
>>>> 
>>>> Remember, these are the supposedly ?safer? batteries installed in EV?s.
>>>> There are starting to be more and more media stories about the role of
>> the
>>>> Lithium batteries in this fire.
>>>> 
>>>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D826FD.9A2384B0]
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail<
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3fbef99147ec4e228b4a08d9f6347107%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637811527375318819%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=tWbdWS8jsO085eRHALFIV%2FO6PIP5uwEk6AawMVuEUQc%3D&amp;reserved=0>
>> for Windows
>>>> 
>>>> From: ROGER PIHLAJA<mailto:Roger_Pihlaja at msn.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2022 8:12 AM
>>>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>>>> Subject: An Ongoing Lithium Battery Fire At Sea?
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> On February 10, 2022; the 656 ft LOA car carrier cargo ship, the M/V
>>>> Felicity Ace, departed from Emden, Germany with a cargo of nearly 4000
>> new
>>>> Porsches and VW?s.  The Felicity Ace was bound for Davisville, Rhode
>> Island
>>>> and was due to arrive on February 23, 2022.  On February 16th, the
>> Felicity
>>>> Ace sent out a distress signal after a fire broke out in the cargo
>> hold.  A
>>>> Portuguese navy patrol boat and 4 other merchant vessels responded to
>> the
>>>> distress call.  All 22 crew members have been rescued.  But, the vessel
>> is
>>>> still on fire and adrift in the Atlantic Ocean near the Azores Islands.
>>>> The M/V Felicity Ace was built in 2005 as a dedicated car carrier and
>> has
>>>> modern fire suppression systems.  The cause of the fire is still under
>>>> investigation and there is little information available as yet.  But,
>> there
>>>> were certainly a large number of Lithium battery EV?s among the cargo.
>> No
>>>> matter how the fire started, the fact that the onboard fire suppression
>>>> systems have been unable to extinguish it is suspicious.  Hopefully,
>> they
>>>> will somehow get the fire under control before the vessel sinks or we
>> may
>>>> never find out what happened.
>>>> 
>>>> Stay tuned, this could turn into a major Lithium battery EV safety
>> scandal!
>>>> 
>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from Mail<
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&amp;data=04%7C01%7C%7C3fbef99147ec4e228b4a08d9f6347107%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637811527375318819%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&amp;sdata=tWbdWS8jsO085eRHALFIV%2FO6PIP5uwEk6AawMVuEUQc%3D&amp;reserved=0>
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>> 

From sea20 at verizon.net  Wed Feb 23 07:16:21 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2022 07:16:21 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
In-Reply-To: <C6D9CC3D-07B6-4AD0-A588-CFF50AFAE2D0@gmail.com>
References: <C6D9CC3D-07B6-4AD0-A588-CFF50AFAE2D0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96B3D600-7367-4756-AE6C-7D18A77ACB29@verizon.net>

Thanks Mike!!
Scott & Rebecca      Pantalaimon 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 21, 2022, at 7:23 PM, Frank Goldsmith <goldsmith.cf at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Excellent!  I?m glad we Rhodies have come through to support your good work ? thanks for undertaking a task that many of us (myself certainly included) would find too daunting. 
> 
> Frank
> 
> Frank Goldsmith
> S/V Mary Bess (Rhodes 22 1985/2001)
> Fairview, NC
> Lake Keowee, SC
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2022, at 7:20 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Fellow Rhodies,
>> 
>> The donors have been very generous! We have had donations ranging from $10 to $100. The fee for using a credit card varies depending on whether the card carries rewards points or not. The average fee is about 5.4% over the past year.
>> 
>> The total contributed since March 10, 2021 (starting date) is $1,257.00, netting $1,188.93 after $68.07 in fees. Everybody give themselves a hand!
>> 
>> By the middle of March 2021, we had collected $160.86, so I was able to pay the annual web hosting fee of $148.74 without being out of pocket any longer. When the bill came due this month, I was able to pay the $150.16 from the donations. We currently have $890.03 in the donations basket.
>> 
>> I plan to utilize some of the donations to create a larger version of the current website, providing the necessary infrastructure to support the website that Peter Nyberg developed last spring. It permitted posting directly on the website (Nabble forum style) so that emails would not be required. The Mailman email list will still be supported, permitting Rhodies to use the interface of their choice (email or forum). Additionally, we need to purchase a security certificate to prevent the site from being viewed as a security risk by the newer web browsers. Even with all of this ambitious work, I hope to have $400-$500 left for the future.
>> 
>> Thanks to all of the Rhodies for their generous contributions and to Peter for convincing me to put a donations button on the new site.
>> 
>> Mike
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
>> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 4:28 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Annual Donation Reminder
>> 
>> On Jan 18, 2022 Mike W said:
>> 
>>   I will tally all of the financial donations and report.
>> 
>> So, out of curiosity, how'd we do Mike?
>> 
>> --Peter
>> 
> 


From Joedempsey at hughes.net  Thu Feb 24 15:54:52 2022
From: Joedempsey at hughes.net (Joedempsey at hughes.net)
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2022 15:54:52 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 Caps
Message-ID: <000001d829c0$d89df5c0$89d9e140$@hughes.net>

The price of our Rhodes 22 caps and burgees have not changed but I don't
expect it to stay that way. If you want to order a burgee, go to the
Community page of the Rhodes Owners Group website.

I will point out that the lettering of R22 will be reversed on one side of
the flag because the embroidery goes all the way through. To have it read
correctly on both sides would require a second flag with both flags being
sewn back to back.

 

 

To order ball caps, use the following:

 


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