[Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.

Sat Jul 2 12:06:52 EDT 2022

Bob
With care, googles, snorkel and someone standing by -  dive under the boat, you should be able to reach up into the stern of the CB trunk, grab the forward bottom tip of the BC and give it a good yank.
If that doesn’t work I would try to wedge it down from the back of the trunk with the crow-bar or something similar. 
If that doesn’t work and there is no travel lift to help out to haul the boat and try the same thing on dry land, I’m afraid its a hau-out and either pull the CB cap off, on the trailer or jack it up, pull the trailer out and start over with attempt to un-jam the CB from below. 
Hope you sort it out quickly. 
Ric 
Dadventure 
Hampton Bays 

Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP 
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164

> On Jul 2, 2022, at 11:04 AM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
> 
> Ric, thank you sir.
> Super-helpful!
> 
> Re-reading the knowledge shared on the subject found on:
> http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/r22boardtrunk.pdf <http://rhodes22.org/document.html?documents/r22boardtrunk.pdf>
> 
> Attached is an attempt to show all of you what I see when I'm diving under ORION.
> The Red line I drew is about 2' of pennant line that sank down from the keel while I was "wiggling" the CB underwater.
> 
> There has to be a way I can reach into the keel (aft), grab and pull down the bottom of the CB!
> I just want to be able to sail race this season and put off any needed repairs till winter!
> 
> Bob
> ORION '84
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> On Behalf Of Ric Stott
> Sent: Saturday, July 2, 2022 9:00 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
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> Here is a photo of my ‘86 CB pendant with the cap off. There are two turning blocks on the trailing edge of the CB and two blocks bolted to the top of the CB cover. 
> Ric
> Dadventure
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>> On Jul 1, 2022, at 10:06 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
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>> 01 JULY second attempt to free my rudder from underwater.
>> Now I have about 2" loop of penant line hanging out the starboard of the CB under water.
>> No headway made pulling the line aboard, while I do the crowbar-jiggle under water.
>> I'm wondering on my '84R22, where is the penant line attached to my CB?
>> Is it the same place as on my rudder?
>> Where is the pivot point of the CB?
>> Is it the same place as on my rudder?
>> I know my boat was made by folks other-than-General in 1984, but Stan can you share the engineering design of my fixed Keel, CB '84R22?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Bob & Karen
>> "84 ORION
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2022 7:19 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>> 
>> Thanks Ric!
>> 
>> I should add that the CB is stuck because I didn't raise the penant line when the trailer roller, tucked the CB into the keel when taking the boat out of the water last season.
>> The penant line is sandwiched I feel in between the keel & CB.
>> 
>> The CB on my boat is the old style and the same shape as the rudder.
>> 
>> It is nice to hear someone else "dives" under to fix the issue.
>> 
>> Bob
>> '84 ORION
>> 
>> From: ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> Sent: June 28, 2022 2:38 PM
>> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>> 
>> I moor my boat in shallow water.
>> During normal low tide the keel is off the bottom by a few inches.
>> When the tide is below normal, sometimes the keel rests on the sandy/small stone bottom.
>> Sometimes this results in a small stone getting wedged between the CB and the trunk.
>> The only way to clear it is to dive under the boat.  I have a long shank screw driver that I use to scrape the stone out.
>> I imagine marine growth could do the same thing and be remedied the  same way.
>> If your CB pendant is loose, be sure to be out of the way when the CB swings down.
>> I often set the pedant to about half way, then make the dive.
>> For the old style  center board ( don't know which you have) the small turning blocks could be bent or jammed also.
>> The blocks are only available in the UK.
>> Good Luck!
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> 
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jun 27, 2022, at 8:38 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 26 June 2022 - An attempt to "free" my CB from below and while underwater.
>>> 
>>> While anchored in 4' - 6' of beautiful, NH, Lake water...I dove underneath the boat to take a look.
>>> I attempted to wiggle a wire above the CB to "yank" it down out of the Keel. (this failed).
>>> 
>>> I was able to fit the handle of an adjustable wrench up in between the CB and Keel. This allowed me to jiggle and the space while my wife pulled the penant from topside in the boat.
>>> 1.5 hrs later, the jiggling allowed a loop of penant rope to drop out of the keel, starboard side.
>>> Called it a night and motored to slip.
>>> 
>>> I intend to return for a 2nd try, bringing with me a flat bar and crowbar for more leverage.
>>> Even providing a little bit more wiggle room must allow the person topside to pull more penant rope out to day light, right?
>>> 
>>> Bob in Sunapee,
>>> '84 ORION
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of jpd9668
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:14 AM
>>> To: John Carlson <john_carlson at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>>> 
>>> Although I did not have CB problems,  the trunk was leaking and I had to replace CB gasket. I did this while on the trailer. CB is accessable once cap and gasket are removed. I remember seeing a post on replacing the CB pivot pin. Removing the CB can certainly be done but I'll bet it's a pain in the ass. TIP: When raising CB, haul to top and back off about 1-2 inches before cleating it off.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>> -------- Original message --------From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Date: 6/8/22  11:40 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com <mailto:melrothbard at yahoo.com>> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck. Okay, mine was on the trailer. Long story short: I took the centerboard cap/lid/hood off to gain more direct access. However, you cannot do this on the water, since -- as I understand it -- the top of the centerboard trunk is below the waterline.--John CarlsonS/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)Lake Waco, Texas> On Jun 8, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com <mailto:melrothbard at yahoo.com>> wrote:> > Looks familiar to me.  My board froze at the end of last year and I have not been able to free it up> Mel Rothbard> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.onelink.me%2F107872968%3Fpid%3DInProduct%26c%3DGlobal_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers%26af_wl%3Dym%26af_sub1%3DInternal%26af_sub2%3DGlobal_YGrowth%26af_sub3%3DEmailSignature&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C466f662a600b46b960fc08da5c2acc47%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637923636552066360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GZptKRD1CVk3B6nip%2BJTmh7ySCyVZIAnTiBzw%2FPZOl4%3D&reserved=0 <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.onelink.me%2F107872968%3Fpid%3DInProduct%26c%3DGlobal_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers%26af_wl%3Dym%26af_sub1%3DInternal%26af_sub2%3DGlobal_YGrowth%26af_sub3%3DEmailSignature&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C466f662a600b46b960fc08da5c2acc47%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637923636552066360%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C2000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GZptKRD1CVk3B6nip%2BJTmh7ySCyVZIAnTiBzw%2FPZOl4%3D&reserved=0>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:15 PM, C. Robert Lester> <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu><mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>>> wrote:> In the water at the slip.> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device> From: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>> Sent: June 8, 2022 9:16 PM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>> Reply-to: john_carlson at mac.com <mailto:john_carlson at mac.com> <mailto:john_carlson at mac.com <mailto:john_carlson at mac.com>>; rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> > Wow, that looks so different from my boat! I have had the "stuck" problem before and am actually writing up a description of the larger project. But, let me ask, is the boat in the water or on the trailer?> > --> John Carlson> Lillipelli (2004/2012)> > > On Jun 8, 2022, at 7:05 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>>> wrote:> >> > Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!> >> > Bob> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org><mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>>>> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester> > Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> >> > '84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.> > Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).> > But does this look familiar to anyone?> >> > Thanks, Bob> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device>
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