From daysails at aol.com Wed Jun 1 08:10:09 2022
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 12:10:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sails
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I bought through Stan two years ago and it also shipped from Barbados.
Joe Riley s/v Second WindLake Hartwell
From rlowe at vt.edu Wed Jun 1 11:30:30 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 15:30:30 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Buying sails online...
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I went straight through the Barbados loft. A little extra paperwork since you have to do import paperwork. They already have the dimensions for the sails. You can email Jo, the sales manager. You might want to wait on ordering them until after the sailing season has past. They will give you a discount during the winter months.
https://www.doylesails.com/loft-barbados/
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Scott Andrews via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 6:16 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Buying sails online...
Doyle sail in Oriental N Carolina gave me great service but it takes a while. They come from Barbados.
Scott A
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> On May 31, 2022, at 12:57 PM, Hank <hnw555 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?A REAL sailor would just make his own...
>
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>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2022 at 12:53 PM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> Buying a new set of sails for our new 1993 Rhodes 22...and are unsure
>> about how to proceed. Can anyone suggest a reliable mail-order
>> manufacturer? Or does this ideally have to be done by a local company.
>> HELP? All suggestion/ridicule/information/sarcasm is welcome...Tony
>> Jonaitis
>>
From rlowe at vt.edu Wed Jun 1 12:07:39 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 16:07:39 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gelcoat color
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Anyone know if there is a specific gelcoat to repair the blue hull Rhodes? I've got some fiberglass repairs to do on my boat and I'd like to see if I can match the gelcoat color.
Rob
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 13:12:39 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 13:12:39 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
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<C385DFD8-BFA1-4A45-A674-316D8A583B52@gmail.com>
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Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is incommunicado recently.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
>
> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material, Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
>>
>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
>>>
>>
>
From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Jun 1 14:20:16 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2022 11:20:16 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gelcoat color
Message-ID: <E1nwSx6-008GoI-M0@s152.servername.online>
Are you sure you're looking at gelcoat? GB painted my hull when it was recycled in 2016. I was told the paint used was Alexseal Flag Blue #T5153.
--Peter
> On 2022-06-01, at 12:07:39 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>
> Anyone know if there is a specific gelcoat to repair the blue hull Rhodes? I've
> got some fiberglass repairs to do on my boat and I'd like to see if I can match
> the gelcoat color.
>
> Rob
>
From chitakcheung at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 14:22:27 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 14:22:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
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<C385DFD8-BFA1-4A45-A674-316D8A583B52@gmail.com>
<09f901d875da$cc7db3a0$65791ae0$@gmail.com>
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I bought this one in 2018 at Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C8HZRCJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
patrick
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:12 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the
> right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is
> incommunicado recently.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come
> in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get
> the brand name.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
> >
> > You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I
> found it on Amazon.
> >
> > NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide x
> 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material, Sealing,
> Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
> >>
> >>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 14:23:51 2022
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 14:23:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
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<C385DFD8-BFA1-4A45-A674-316D8A583B52@gmail.com>
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I'm sure there's a more efficient option, but I went onto Ebay for mine and
ordered a roll of 3/16" neoprene. The thickness was based on an old post by
Stan on the webpage; I think Roger provided the durometer rating. 40A? Mine
came from a boat guy in Fort Lauderdale. My leftovers got used on other
odds and ends. I looked just now and a roll 12" x 36" was about $40 with
free shipping. Get out a nice sharp blade and a sunny day. I have an older
CB but was able to cut out the interior as needed to support the lift
mechanism.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:12 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the
> right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is
> incommunicado recently.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come
> in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get
> the brand name.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
> >
> > You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I
> found it on Amazon.
> >
> > NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide x
> 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material, Sealing,
> Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
> >>
> >>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
From rlowe at vt.edu Wed Jun 1 14:50:01 2022
From: rlowe at vt.edu (Lowe, Rob)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:50:01 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gelcoat color
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Peter,
Yes, I believe I'm looking for gelcoat. I've got a hole in my transom I'm working on patching. I've got most of the fiberglass work done but figured I'd need gelcoat on top of that.
Rob
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 2:20 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gelcoat color
Are you sure you're looking at gelcoat? GB painted my hull when it was recycled in 2016. I was told the paint used was Alexseal Flag Blue #T5153.
--Peter
> On 2022-06-01, at 12:07:39 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:
>
> Anyone know if there is a specific gelcoat to repair the blue hull
> Rhodes? I've got some fiberglass repairs to do on my boat and I'd
> like to see if I can match the gelcoat color.
>
> Rob
>
From mweisner at ebsmed.com Wed Jun 1 16:11:36 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 16:11:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
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<C385DFD8-BFA1-4A45-A674-316D8A583B52@gmail.com>
<09f901d875da$cc7db3a0$65791ae0$@gmail.com>
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The 40A product is currently out of stock at MSCDirect.com, although the 3/16"/60A material is readily available for $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 60 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F
MSC# 57125841
Mfr# RS-N60-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/57125841
or you can move up to 1/4"/40A material at $24.74 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 1/4? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F
MSC# 83039875
Mfr# RS-N40-269
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039875
or, simply wait a bit for the 3/16"/40A material to be in stock again at $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F
MSC# 83039842
Mfr# RS-N40-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039842
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:13 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is incommunicado recently.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
>
> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material, Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
>>
>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
>>>
>>
>
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 16:54:26 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 16:54:26 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CB Gasket replacement and Tightening
Message-ID: <070801d875f9$ccd09d80$6671d880$@gmail.com>
Mike,
I can't put my "fingers" on it right now. But here are my notes:
I obtained a replacement gasket through Chris Cowie, ccowieatvoilieryachts.com , a Rhodie at Voilier Yachts in White Plains, MD . If you want to buy your own gasket, purchase neoprene.) I took my CB cap to them so they could get the bolt holes properly aligned in the right pattern. Once I had the new gasket, re-assembly of the gasket and CB Cover was the reverse.
I replaced all of the hardware with ?? x 1-1/4? 316 SS Machine bolts, fender washers and lock nuts purchased from McMaster-Carr on line. You may be able to get them for less at Fastenall. The old gasket only had the machine screws and nuts. Stan told me that there should be fender washers on top and bottom. (First photo shows CB Cap before I removed it showing rust around the hex screw heads. The second photo shows the ?new? cap with new hardware incl. fender washers)
I tightened the hex screws barely snug at first and then gradually tightening, side to side, working from front to rear or vice versa and finally snugging them down in the same sequence, taking care not to over tighten. (Do not tighten by alternating front to rear or there is a chance of a ?bubble? occurring in the gasket.) Once you launch for the first time, check for leaks and torque the bolts as necessary, but always allow for future tightening. When I first launched, there was leakage and I snugged the screws once again and the dripping ceased. I?m in my third season (2021) and it hasn?t leaked a drop!
I will probably pull up my cabin sole and re-snug them soon.
I hope this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 5:19 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Joe, where would we find Stan's instructions?
Thanks,
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:40 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
By the way, when it comes to replacing the cap and gasket, Stan has very specific instructions. There are 50+ 316 SS Machine screws and fender washers and backing nuts securing the rubber gasket. It does not require sealant. If properly fastened and the machine screws carefully tightened, it will remain water tight. Do not over tighten! If you cannot find Stan's instructions, let me know and I will post them.
Joe Dempsey
SV Respite
Deltaville, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Dempsey < <mailto:jpd9668 at gmail.com> jpd9668 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:24 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Photos I left off earlier post!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of chuy carreon
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; ROGER PIHLAJA < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Thanks Roger. The pivot hole was the hole that I was referring to.
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath
> On May 14, 2022 at 9:32 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com%20mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com%20> roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
>
>
> Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard. There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on. Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant. On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > > On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart < <mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca%20mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca%20> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > >
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 17:06:19 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2022 17:06:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gelcoat color
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Rob,There are Gelcoat repair kits available at Defender and West Marine.? Also coloring kits.Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: "Lowe, Rob" <rlowe at vt.edu> Date: 6/1/22 2:50 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gelcoat color Peter,Yes, I believe I'm looking for gelcoat.? I've got a hole in my transom I'm working on patching.? I've got most of the fiberglass work done but figured I'd need gelcoat on top of that.Rob-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter NybergSent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 2:20 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gelcoat colorAre you sure you're looking at gelcoat?? GB painted my hull when it was recycled in 2016.? I was told the paint used was Alexseal Flag Blue #T5153.--Peter> On 2022-06-01, at 12:07:39 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:>> Anyone know if there is a specific gelcoat to repair the blue hull > Rhodes?? I've got some fiberglass repairs to do on my boat and I'd > like to see if I can match the gelcoat color.> > Rob>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 17:23:45 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:23:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CB Gasket replacement and Tightening
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Joe,
This is very helpful. In my boat there were no washers on the underside of the cap, just on the top. I'll add bottom washers when I reassemble.
A few of the hex heads broke off during disassembly and there was evidence of corrosion, so I ordered all new 316 stainless hardware from McMaster-Carr (1 day delivery!). I tried emailing Chris Cowie but his email bounced back.
My gasket seems to be in reasonable condition, but I planned on replacing it anyway. However, I still haven't located neoprene sheet in the right size. The gasket is 7.25" x 54.25" and is 3/16" thick. I imagine that 1/4" neoprene would also work well and might be more forgiving if there are irregularities in the surfaces. I am looking for soft 40A Duro, which is less common than the harder 60A.
If anyone has recently been able to get the gasket material, please let me know. I've also reached out to Stan and Charles but haven't heard back yet.
Thanks for your help.
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:54 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CB Gasket replacement and Tightening
Mike,
I can't put my "fingers" on it right now. But here are my notes:
I obtained a replacement gasket through Chris Cowie, ccowieatvoilieryachts.com , a Rhodie at Voilier Yachts in White Plains, MD . If you want to buy your own gasket, purchase neoprene.) I took my CB cap to them so they could get the bolt holes properly aligned in the right pattern. Once I had the new gasket, re-assembly of the gasket and CB Cover was the reverse.
I replaced all of the hardware with ?? x 1-1/4? 316 SS Machine bolts, fender washers and lock nuts purchased from McMaster-Carr on line. You may be able to get them for less at Fastenall. The old gasket only had the machine screws and nuts. Stan told me that there should be fender washers on top and bottom. (First photo shows CB Cap before I removed it showing rust around the hex screw heads. The second photo shows the ?new? cap with new hardware incl. fender washers)
I tightened the hex screws barely snug at first and then gradually tightening, side to side, working from front to rear or vice versa and finally snugging them down in the same sequence, taking care not to over tighten. (Do not tighten by alternating front to rear or there is a chance of a ?bubble? occurring in the gasket.) Once you launch for the first time, check for leaks and torque the bolts as necessary, but always allow for future tightening. When I first launched, there was leakage and I snugged the screws once again and the dripping ceased. I?m in my third season (2021) and it hasn?t leaked a drop!
I will probably pull up my cabin sole and re-snug them soon.
I hope this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 5:19 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Joe, where would we find Stan's instructions?
Thanks,
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:40 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
By the way, when it comes to replacing the cap and gasket, Stan has very specific instructions. There are 50+ 316 SS Machine screws and fender washers and backing nuts securing the rubber gasket. It does not require sealant. If properly fastened and the machine screws carefully tightened, it will remain water tight. Do not over tighten! If you cannot find Stan's instructions, let me know and I will post them.
Joe Dempsey
SV Respite
Deltaville, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Dempsey < <mailto:jpd9668 at gmail.com> jpd9668 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:24 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Photos I left off earlier post!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of chuy carreon
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; ROGER PIHLAJA < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Thanks Roger. The pivot hole was the hole that I was referring to.
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath
> On May 14, 2022 at 9:32 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com%20mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com%20> roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
>
>
> Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard. There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on. Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant. On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > > On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart < <mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca%20mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca%20> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > >
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 17:28:53 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:28:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
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Mike,
My existing gasket is 7.25 x 54.25. I didn't examine the possibility of using narrower material--is that what you used?
Thanks,
Mike
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
The 40A product is currently out of stock at MSCDirect.com, although the 3/16"/60A material is readily available for $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 60 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F
MSC# 57125841
Mfr# RS-N60-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/57125841
or you can move up to 1/4"/40A material at $24.74 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 1/4? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F
MSC# 83039875
Mfr# RS-N40-269
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039875
or, simply wait a bit for the 3/16"/40A material to be in stock again at $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F
MSC# 83039842
Mfr# RS-N40-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039842
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:13 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is incommunicado recently.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
>
> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material, Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
>>
>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
>>>
>>
>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 17:31:15 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 17:31:15 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
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<C385DFD8-BFA1-4A45-A674-316D8A583B52@gmail.com>
<09f901d875da$cc7db3a0$65791ae0$@gmail.com>
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Thanks Brian--36" is too short. My gasket on a 2006 R22 is 54.25" long. I haven't tried Ebay yet but that?s a good idea.
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Brian Ferguson
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 2:24 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
I'm sure there's a more efficient option, but I went onto Ebay for mine and
ordered a roll of 3/16" neoprene. The thickness was based on an old post by
Stan on the webpage; I think Roger provided the durometer rating. 40A? Mine
came from a boat guy in Fort Lauderdale. My leftovers got used on other
odds and ends. I looked just now and a roll 12" x 36" was about $40 with
free shipping. Get out a nice sharp blade and a sunny day. I have an older
CB but was able to cut out the interior as needed to support the lift
mechanism.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:12 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the
> right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is
> incommunicado recently.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come
> in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get
> the brand name.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
> >
> > Mike
> > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > Nissequogue River, NY
> > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
> >
> > You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I
> found it on Amazon.
> >
> > NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide x
> 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material, Sealing,
> Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
> >>
> >>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
>
From brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 18:58:43 2022
From: brian.a.ferguson76 at gmail.com (Brian Ferguson)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 18:58:43 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <0a5401d875fe$ecbb4af0$c631e0d0$@gmail.com>
References: <005f01d86c92$5b0a5b20$111f1160$@ebsmed.com>
<C385DFD8-BFA1-4A45-A674-316D8A583B52@gmail.com>
<09f901d875da$cc7db3a0$65791ae0$@gmail.com>
<CAPD+wLGqOfg5_NxyttgFCeNA3CotDTaxH2iZTtsn2HWqVhKECQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I like Mike?s reply.
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 17:31 <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Brian--36" is too short. My gasket on a 2006 R22 is 54.25" long.
> I haven't tried Ebay yet but that?s a good idea.
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Brian Ferguson
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 2:24 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> I'm sure there's a more efficient option, but I went onto Ebay for mine and
> ordered a roll of 3/16" neoprene. The thickness was based on an old post by
> Stan on the webpage; I think Roger provided the durometer rating. 40A? Mine
> came from a boat guy in Fort Lauderdale. My leftovers got used on other
> odds and ends. I looked just now and a roll 12" x 36" was about $40 with
> free shipping. Get out a nice sharp blade and a sunny day. I have an older
> CB but was able to cut out the interior as needed to support the lift
> mechanism.
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:12 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the
> > right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is
> > incommunicado recently.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Mitch Mitchell
> > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
> >
> > Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come
> > in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get
> > the brand name.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> > > Nissequogue River, NY
> > > I?d rather be sailing :~)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> > Mitch Mitchell
> > > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> > > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
> > >
> > > You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I
> > found it on Amazon.
> > >
> > > NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide x
> > 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material,
> Sealing,
> > Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
> > >>
> > >>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <
> > rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 19:42:02 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 19:42:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CB Gasket replacement and Tightening
In-Reply-To: <0a5201d875fd$e056cbf0$a10463d0$@gmail.com>
References: <070801d875f9$ccd09d80$6671d880$@gmail.com>
<0a5201d875fd$e056cbf0$a10463d0$@gmail.com>
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I'll check if I have any other contact info for Chris. He's a Rhodie and is on The List from time to time.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:24 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CB Gasket replacement and Tightening
Joe,
This is very helpful. In my boat there were no washers on the underside of the cap, just on the top. I'll add bottom washers when I reassemble.
A few of the hex heads broke off during disassembly and there was evidence of corrosion, so I ordered all new 316 stainless hardware from McMaster-Carr (1 day delivery!). I tried emailing Chris Cowie but his email bounced back.
My gasket seems to be in reasonable condition, but I planned on replacing it anyway. However, I still haven't located neoprene sheet in the right size. The gasket is 7.25" x 54.25" and is 3/16" thick. I imagine that 1/4" neoprene would also work well and might be more forgiving if there are irregularities in the surfaces. I am looking for soft 40A Duro, which is less common than the harder 60A.
If anyone has recently been able to get the gasket material, please let me know. I've also reached out to Stan and Charles but haven't heard back yet.
Thanks for your help.
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:54 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CB Gasket replacement and Tightening
Mike,
I can't put my "fingers" on it right now. But here are my notes:
I obtained a replacement gasket through Chris Cowie, ccowieatvoilieryachts.com , a Rhodie at Voilier Yachts in White Plains, MD . If you want to buy your own gasket, purchase neoprene.) I took my CB cap to them so they could get the bolt holes properly aligned in the right pattern. Once I had the new gasket, re-assembly of the gasket and CB Cover was the reverse.
I replaced all of the hardware with ?? x 1-1/4? 316 SS Machine bolts, fender washers and lock nuts purchased from McMaster-Carr on line. You may be able to get them for less at Fastenall. The old gasket only had the machine screws and nuts. Stan told me that there should be fender washers on top and bottom. (First photo shows CB Cap before I removed it showing rust around the hex screw heads. The second photo shows the ?new? cap with new hardware incl. fender washers)
I tightened the hex screws barely snug at first and then gradually tightening, side to side, working from front to rear or vice versa and finally snugging them down in the same sequence, taking care not to over tighten. (Do not tighten by alternating front to rear or there is a chance of a ?bubble? occurring in the gasket.) Once you launch for the first time, check for leaks and torque the bolts as necessary, but always allow for future tightening. When I first launched, there was leakage and I snugged the screws once again and the dripping ceased. I?m in my third season (2021) and it hasn?t leaked a drop!
I will probably pull up my cabin sole and re-snug them soon.
I hope this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 5:19 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Joe, where would we find Stan's instructions?
Thanks,
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:40 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
By the way, when it comes to replacing the cap and gasket, Stan has very specific instructions. There are 50+ 316 SS Machine screws and fender washers and backing nuts securing the rubber gasket. It does not require sealant. If properly fastened and the machine screws carefully tightened, it will remain water tight. Do not over tighten! If you cannot find Stan's instructions, let me know and I will post them.
Joe Dempsey
SV Respite
Deltaville, VA
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From: Joe Dempsey < <mailto:jpd9668 at gmail.com> jpd9668 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:24 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Photos I left off earlier post!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of chuy carreon
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; ROGER PIHLAJA < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Thanks Roger. The pivot hole was the hole that I was referring to.
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath
> On May 14, 2022 at 9:32 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com%20mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com%20> roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
>
>
> Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard. There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on. Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant. On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > > On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart < <mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca%20mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca%20> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 19:43:07 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 19:43:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
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Mine was a full wide neoprene gasket.
Here's a pic of the old one that was rotted.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:29 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike,
My existing gasket is 7.25 x 54.25. I didn't examine the possibility of using narrower material--is that what you used?
Thanks,
Mike
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
The 40A product is currently out of stock at MSCDirect.com, although the 3/16"/60A material is readily available for $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 60 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 57125841 Mfr# RS-N60-268
<https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/57125841> https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/57125841
or you can move up to 1/4"/40A material at $24.74 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 1/4? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039875 Mfr# RS-N40-269
<https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039875> https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039875
or, simply wait a bit for the 3/16"/40A material to be in stock again at $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039842 Mfr# RS-N40-268
<https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039842> https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039842
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of <mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:13 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is incommunicado recently.
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From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner < <mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com> mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
>
> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide
> x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material,
> Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg < <mailto:jwiberg at wi.rr.com> jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
>>
>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
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>>> <mailto:charles.gabriel at gmail.com> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
>>>
>>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 19:46:44 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 19:46:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] CB Gasket replacement and Tightening
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Mike,
These numbers came off of an old email to me.
Chris Cowie: 703.717.9041 phone | 202.270.1470 mobile
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Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:24 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CB Gasket replacement and Tightening
Joe,
This is very helpful. In my boat there were no washers on the underside of the cap, just on the top. I'll add bottom washers when I reassemble.
A few of the hex heads broke off during disassembly and there was evidence of corrosion, so I ordered all new 316 stainless hardware from McMaster-Carr (1 day delivery!). I tried emailing Chris Cowie but his email bounced back.
My gasket seems to be in reasonable condition, but I planned on replacing it anyway. However, I still haven't located neoprene sheet in the right size. The gasket is 7.25" x 54.25" and is 3/16" thick. I imagine that 1/4" neoprene would also work well and might be more forgiving if there are irregularities in the surfaces. I am looking for soft 40A Duro, which is less common than the harder 60A.
If anyone has recently been able to get the gasket material, please let me know. I've also reached out to Stan and Charles but haven't heard back yet.
Thanks for your help.
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:54 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] CB Gasket replacement and Tightening
Mike,
I can't put my "fingers" on it right now. But here are my notes:
I obtained a replacement gasket through Chris Cowie, ccowieatvoilieryachts.com , a Rhodie at Voilier Yachts in White Plains, MD . If you want to buy your own gasket, purchase neoprene.) I took my CB cap to them so they could get the bolt holes properly aligned in the right pattern. Once I had the new gasket, re-assembly of the gasket and CB Cover was the reverse.
I replaced all of the hardware with ?? x 1-1/4? 316 SS Machine bolts, fender washers and lock nuts purchased from McMaster-Carr on line. You may be able to get them for less at Fastenall. The old gasket only had the machine screws and nuts. Stan told me that there should be fender washers on top and bottom. (First photo shows CB Cap before I removed it showing rust around the hex screw heads. The second photo shows the ?new? cap with new hardware incl. fender washers)
I tightened the hex screws barely snug at first and then gradually tightening, side to side, working from front to rear or vice versa and finally snugging them down in the same sequence, taking care not to over tighten. (Do not tighten by alternating front to rear or there is a chance of a ?bubble? occurring in the gasket.) Once you launch for the first time, check for leaks and torque the bolts as necessary, but always allow for future tightening. When I first launched, there was leakage and I snugged the screws once again and the dripping ceased. I?m in my third season (2021) and it hasn?t leaked a drop!
I will probably pull up my cabin sole and re-snug them soon.
I hope this helps.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 5:19 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Joe, where would we find Stan's instructions?
Thanks,
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Joe Dempsey
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:40 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
By the way, when it comes to replacing the cap and gasket, Stan has very specific instructions. There are 50+ 316 SS Machine screws and fender washers and backing nuts securing the rubber gasket. It does not require sealant. If properly fastened and the machine screws carefully tightened, it will remain water tight. Do not over tighten! If you cannot find Stan's instructions, let me know and I will post them.
Joe Dempsey
SV Respite
Deltaville, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Dempsey < <mailto:jpd9668 at gmail.com> jpd9668 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 5:24 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; 'ROGER PIHLAJA' < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: RE: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Photos I left off earlier post!
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of chuy carreon
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2022 12:02 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; ROGER PIHLAJA < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com> roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Size of Centerboard hole
Thanks Roger. The pivot hole was the hole that I was referring to.
Chuy Carreon
S/V AfterMath
> On May 14, 2022 at 9:32 AM ROGER PIHLAJA < <mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com%20mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com%20> roger_pihlaja at msn.com mailto:roger_pihlaja at msn.com > wrote:
>
>
> Unfortunately, there are also 2 holes in the centerboard. There is a hole which is a snug fit with a 1/2? OD shoulder bolt which is what the centerboard pivots on. Then, there is another hole near the trailing edge of the centerboard for the pennant. On my boat, this hole is 3/8? ID.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > > On May 13, 2022, at 9:08 PM, Graham Stewart < <mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca%20mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca%20> gstewart8 at cogeco.ca mailto:gstewart8 at cogeco.ca > wrote:
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > >
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Jun 1 20:00:51 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 00:00:51 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
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Mike, Joe,
The gasket is a few inches below the waterline. It only has to seal against < 1 psi. The spec?d gasket material from USA sealing will work fine. It will probably outlive you.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 7:43 PM, Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Mine was a full wide neoprene gasket.
>
>
>
> Here's a pic of the old one that was rotted.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:29 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
>
>
> My existing gasket is 7.25 x 54.25. I didn't examine the possibility of using narrower material--is that what you used?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Mike McKay
>
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>
> Allatoona Lake
>
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:12 PM
>
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
>
>
> The 40A product is currently out of stock at MSCDirect.com, although the 3/16"/60A material is readily available for $18.63 as follows:
>
>
>
> USA Sealing
>
> 60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
>
> Shore 60 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 57125841 Mfr# RS-N60-268
>
> <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mscdirect.com%2Fproduct%2Fdetails%2F57125841&data=05%7C01%7C%7C59c06755d0da450289ba08da44288200%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637897238025075773%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JerZ0p7dWBDolskByYkpa4mTZ6LSu7QAxDI91dIYH3U%3D&reserved=0> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mscdirect.com%2Fproduct%2Fdetails%2F57125841&data=05%7C01%7C%7C59c06755d0da450289ba08da44288200%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637897238025075773%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=JerZ0p7dWBDolskByYkpa4mTZ6LSu7QAxDI91dIYH3U%3D&reserved=0
>
>
>
> or you can move up to 1/4"/40A material at $24.74 as follows:
>
> USA Sealing
>
> 60 x 6 x 1/4? Black Neoprene Strip
>
> Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039875 Mfr# RS-N40-269
>
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> USA Sealing
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> 60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
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> Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039842 Mfr# RS-N40-268
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> Mike
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> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
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> Nissequogue River, NY
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> I?d rather be sailing :~)
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>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of <mailto:mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
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> Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:13 PM
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> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
>
>
> Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is incommunicado recently.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
>
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
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> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
>
>
> Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.
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>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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>
>>> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner < <mailto:mweisner at ebsmed.com> mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>>
>>
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>> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
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>>
>
>> Mike
>
>> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
>
>> Nissequogue River, NY
>
>> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
>
>> Mitch Mitchell
>
>> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
>
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
>>
>
>> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
>
>>
>
>> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide
>
>> x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material,
>
>> Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
>
>>
>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
>>
>
>>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg < <mailto:jwiberg at wi.rr.com> jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
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>>>
>
>>> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
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>>>
>
>>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list < <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
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>>>>
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>>>> <mailto:charles.gabriel at gmail.com> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 20:51:14 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2022 20:51:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
Message-ID: <6298098d.1c69fb81.d84a4.3318@mx.google.com>
Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
From peter at sunnybeeches.com Wed Jun 1 21:18:18 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2022 18:18:18 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
Message-ID: <E1nwZTe-00EC1S-5N@s152.servername.online>
Joe,
I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult. Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.
--Peter
> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>
> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any
> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any
> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung
> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>
From melrothbard at yahoo.com Wed Jun 1 21:27:21 2022
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 01:27:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <E1nwZTe-00EC1S-5N@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nwZTe-00EC1S-5N@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <1393968506.6089441.1654133241173@mail.yahoo.com>
I had the same issue as Peter.? Once I loosened the lines a little it worked much better
Mel Rothbard?
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote: Joe,
I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult.? Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.
--Peter
> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>
> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any
> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any
> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung
> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>
From ric at stottarchitecture.com Thu Jun 2 07:32:04 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 07:32:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <1393968506.6089441.1654133241173@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1393968506.6089441.1654133241173@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B4BECC25-C50B-44BC-8625-C01130569C41@stottarchitecture.com>
My traveler conversion does not move easily and the line tension makes a big difference. Try easing the tension on the cam-cleat. This will make movement easier but it will never be fast and never be the tool you use to de-power quickly, the main sheet is best for that. What I like best about Stan?s invention is the ability to pull the pins from the ends and swing the traveler out of the way or take it off completely in seconds. I designed the ends and had them fabricated out of Delrin at a local machine shop. If anyone is interested I can probably dig out the drawing.
Ric
Dadventure.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?I had the same issue as Peter. Once I loosened the lines a little it worked much better
> Mel Rothbard
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote: Joe,
>
> I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult. Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.
>
> --Peter
>
>> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>>
>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any
>> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any
>> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung
>> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>
>
>
From gramille at tds.net Thu Jun 2 08:06:31 2022
From: gramille at tds.net (Graham Parker)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 08:06:31 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <1393968506.6089441.1654133241173@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1393968506.6089441.1654133241173@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5AB81DFC-787C-490B-88B3-AE5435F478DC@tds.net>
I actually just replaced the red line and most of the little wheels (blocks). It transformed the traveler which is now very easy to use.
I got the parts via Charles who , as always, was extremely helpful!
Cheers
Graham Parker
ss?00Sailin?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?I had the same issue as Peter. Once I loosened the lines a little it worked much better
> Mel Rothbard
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote: Joe,
>
> I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult. Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.
>
> --Peter
>
>> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>>
>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any
>> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any
>> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung
>> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>
>
>
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 09:09:37 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2022 09:09:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Gelcoat color
In-Reply-To: <E1nwSx6-008GoI-M0@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <6298b6a1.1c69fb81.d9093.43bd@mx.google.com>
Good point! Glad to know the proper paint! Just waxed Respite. Whatever the coating is, it still takes a shine since Stan recycled in 2005.How about this fora selfie?Joe?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/1/22 2:20 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Gelcoat color Are you sure you're looking at gelcoat?? GB painted my hull when it was recycled in 2016.? I was told the paint used was Alexseal Flag Blue #T5153.--Peter> On 2022-06-01, at 12:07:39 EDT, Lowe, Rob wrote:>> Anyone know if there is a specific gelcoat to repair the blue hull Rhodes?? I've > got some fiberglass repairs to do on my boat and I'd like to see if I can match > the gelcoat color. > > Rob>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 10:06:50 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2022 10:06:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <E1nwZTe-00EC1S-5N@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <6298c404.1c69fb81.88516.44b1@mx.google.com>
Peter,I was wondering about the tension,? but it worked fine when i first got it. All the blocks seem to be turning freely. I will re-tie and adjust the bitter end knot and give the line a good wipe down. Do you think a thin coating of silicone would be helpful?JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> Date: 6/1/22 9:18 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller Joe,I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult.? Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.--Peter> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any > problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any > maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung > Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone >
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 10:07:27 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2022 10:07:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <1393968506.6089441.1654133241173@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6298c424.1c69fb81.88516.44ba@mx.google.com>
Great!Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/1/22 9:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller I had the same issue as Peter.? Once I loosened the lines a little it worked much betterMel Rothbard?Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ? On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:?? Joe,I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult.? Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.--Peter> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any > problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any > maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung > Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone > ?
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 10:08:51 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2022 10:08:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <B4BECC25-C50B-44BC-8625-C01130569C41@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <6298c477.1c69fb81.88516.44c4@mx.google.com>
Ric,That might be helpful.JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> Date: 6/2/22 7:32 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller My traveler conversion does not move easily and the line tension makes a big difference. Try easing the tension on the cam-cleat. This will make movement easier but it will never be fast and never be the tool you use to de-power quickly, the main sheet is best for that. What I like best about Stan?s invention is the ability to pull the pins from the ends and swing the traveler out of the way or take it off completely in seconds. I designed the ends and had them fabricated out of Delrin at a local machine shop.? If anyone is interested I can probably dig out the drawing. RicDadventure. Sent from my iPhone> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> > ?I had the same issue as Peter.? Once I loosened the lines a little it worked much better> Mel Rothbard > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > >? On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:?? Joe,> > I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult.? Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.> > --Peter> >> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:>> >> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any >> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any >> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung >> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone >> > >
From rnelson204 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 10:09:58 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 09:09:58 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <B4BECC25-C50B-44BC-8625-C01130569C41@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <B4BECC25-C50B-44BC-8625-C01130569C41@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <9E32D129-DFE1-422D-83A7-CC5BCDEC07E3@gmail.com>
Ric, I?d love to see the drawings and pic of the set up installed if you have time.
Thanks
Rodney
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 2, 2022, at 06:32, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
> ?My traveler conversion does not move easily and the line tension makes a big difference. Try easing the tension on the cam-cleat. This will make movement easier but it will never be fast and never be the tool you use to de-power quickly, the main sheet is best for that. What I like best about Stan?s invention is the ability to pull the pins from the ends and swing the traveler out of the way or take it off completely in seconds. I designed the ends and had them fabricated out of Delrin at a local machine shop. If anyone is interested I can probably dig out the drawing.
> Ric
> Dadventure.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> ?I had the same issue as Peter. Once I loosened the lines a little it worked much better
>> Mel Rothbard
>>
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote: Joe,
>>
>> I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult. Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.
>>
>> --Peter
>>
>>>> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>>>
>>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any
>>> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any
>>> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung
>>> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>>
>>
>>
From ric at stottarchitecture.com Thu Jun 2 12:26:06 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 12:26:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <9E32D129-DFE1-422D-83A7-CC5BCDEC07E3@gmail.com>
References: <B4BECC25-C50B-44BC-8625-C01130569C41@stottarchitecture.com>
<9E32D129-DFE1-422D-83A7-CC5BCDEC07E3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <155171DD-C748-4A63-A043-27DCBB43D720@stottarchitecture.com>
Rodney
I found a drawing, but its not the drawing I was hoping to locate. I?ll try to attach it here. IF it gets scrubbed, I?ll resend through my gmail account.
Please let me know if the attachment makes it.
Once the two pieces were fabricated, I installed them onto the split-backstay, then drilled a 1/4? hole through the assembly and used a 1/4? ?Fast-Pin? t keep it in place. Its really easy to pull the fast-pin and swing one side out of the way of the motor, or the stern ladder on the other side. This makes it really convenient for boarding folks from astern (the ladder) or working on the motor.
Best
Ric
Dadventure
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164
> On Jun 2, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ric, I?d love to see the drawings and pic of the set up installed if you have time.
> Thanks
> Rodney
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 06:32, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?My traveler conversion does not move easily and the line tension makes a big difference. Try easing the tension on the cam-cleat. This will make movement easier but it will never be fast and never be the tool you use to de-power quickly, the main sheet is best for that. What I like best about Stan?s invention is the ability to pull the pins from the ends and swing the traveler out of the way or take it off completely in seconds. I designed the ends and had them fabricated out of Delrin at a local machine shop. If anyone is interested I can probably dig out the drawing.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?I had the same issue as Peter. Once I loosened the lines a little it worked much better
>>> Mel Rothbard
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote: Joe,
>>>
>>> I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult. Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.
>>>
>>> --Peter
>>>
>>>>> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any
>>>> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any
>>>> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung
>>>> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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From rnelson204 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 13:03:08 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 12:03:08 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <155171DD-C748-4A63-A043-27DCBB43D720@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <155171DD-C748-4A63-A043-27DCBB43D720@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <BF8078DF-4D61-4F6D-8838-37213D1C9F13@gmail.com>
Ric thx for the diagram, it came through. Do you have a picture of the the machines but installed on the boat. Im a super visual learner, drives my wife crazy.
Thanks for sharing your work ?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 2, 2022, at 11:26, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
> ?Rodney
> I found a drawing, but its not the drawing I was hoping to locate. I?ll try to attach it here. IF it gets scrubbed, I?ll resend through my gmail account.
> Please let me know if the attachment makes it.
> Once the two pieces were fabricated, I installed them onto the split-backstay, then drilled a 1/4? hole through the assembly and used a 1/4? ?Fast-Pin? t keep it in place. Its really easy to pull the fast-pin and swing one side out of the way of the motor, or the stern ladder on the other side. This makes it really convenient for boarding folks from astern (the ladder) or working on the motor.
> Best
> Ric
> Dadventure
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ric, I?d love to see the drawings and pic of the set up installed if you have time.
>> Thanks
>> Rodney
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 06:32, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?My traveler conversion does not move easily and the line tension makes a big difference. Try easing the tension on the cam-cleat. This will make movement easier but it will never be fast and never be the tool you use to de-power quickly, the main sheet is best for that. What I like best about Stan?s invention is the ability to pull the pins from the ends and swing the traveler out of the way or take it off completely in seconds. I designed the ends and had them fabricated out of Delrin at a local machine shop. If anyone is interested I can probably dig out the drawing.
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?I had the same issue as Peter. Once I loosened the lines a little it worked much better
>>>> Mel Rothbard
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote: Joe,
>>>>
>>>> I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult. Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.
>>>>
>>>> --Peter
>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any
>>>>> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any
>>>>> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung
>>>>> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
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From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Jun 2 13:07:01 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 13:07:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <0a5301d875fe$97daee00$c790ca00$@gmail.com>
References: <005f01d86c92$5b0a5b20$111f1160$@ebsmed.com>
<C385DFD8-BFA1-4A45-A674-316D8A583B52@gmail.com>
<09f901d875da$cc7db3a0$65791ae0$@gmail.com>
<003101d875f3$cc8dafd0$65a90f70$@ebsmed.com>
<0a5301d875fe$97daee00$c790ca00$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901d876a3$2fabba80$8f032f80$@ebsmed.com>
Mike McKay,
The last time that I needed to replace a centerboard trunk gasket, about 12 years ago on my original 1981, I used:
MSC Direct P/N:83039842
Neoprene Rubber Thickness: 3/16 Width: 6 Length: 60 Durometer: 40 Color: Black
See the original email thread at:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2011-January/067570.html
It worked very well.
Mike Weisner
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:29 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike,
My existing gasket is 7.25 x 54.25. I didn't examine the possibility of using narrower material--is that what you used?
Thanks,
Mike
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
The 40A product is currently out of stock at MSCDirect.com, although the 3/16"/60A material is readily available for $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 60 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 57125841 Mfr# RS-N60-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/57125841
or you can move up to 1/4"/40A material at $24.74 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 1/4? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039875 Mfr# RS-N40-269
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039875
or, simply wait a bit for the 3/16"/40A material to be in stock again at $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039842 Mfr# RS-N40-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039842
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:13 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is incommunicado recently.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
>
> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide
> x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material,
> Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
>>
>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
>>>
>>
>
From ric at stottarchitecture.com Thu Jun 2 13:09:48 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 13:09:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <BF8078DF-4D61-4F6D-8838-37213D1C9F13@gmail.com>
References: <155171DD-C748-4A63-A043-27DCBB43D720@stottarchitecture.com>
<BF8078DF-4D61-4F6D-8838-37213D1C9F13@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4F0B27CB-C9CA-48CE-B1C9-2127445EDA63@stottarchitecture.com>
You're welcome to the drawing. The original file, which had additional drawings and instructions was corrupted in the 6 or 7 years since I made the design. I do have an extra set that I had made at the time. I don?t think I?ll need them as the originals are in top shape after 6 years of use - I would sell them for $100.
I?ll take a couple of photos later today or tomorrow and get those to you as well.
Ric
Dadventure
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164
> On Jun 2, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ric thx for the diagram, it came through. Do you have a picture of the the machines but installed on the boat. Im a super visual learner, drives my wife crazy.
> Thanks for sharing your work ?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 11:26, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>> wrote:
>>
>> ?Rodney
>> I found a drawing, but its not the drawing I was hoping to locate. I?ll try to attach it here. IF it gets scrubbed, I?ll resend through my gmail account.
>> Please let me know if the attachment makes it.
>> Once the two pieces were fabricated, I installed them onto the split-backstay, then drilled a 1/4? hole through the assembly and used a 1/4? ?Fast-Pin? t keep it in place. Its really easy to pull the fast-pin and swing one side out of the way of the motor, or the stern ladder on the other side. This makes it really convenient for boarding folks from astern (the ladder) or working on the motor.
>> Best
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>>
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ric, I?d love to see the drawings and pic of the set up installed if you have time.
>>> Thanks
>>> Rodney
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 06:32, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?My traveler conversion does not move easily and the line tension makes a big difference. Try easing the tension on the cam-cleat. This will make movement easier but it will never be fast and never be the tool you use to de-power quickly, the main sheet is best for that. What I like best about Stan?s invention is the ability to pull the pins from the ends and swing the traveler out of the way or take it off completely in seconds. I designed the ends and had them fabricated out of Delrin at a local machine shop. If anyone is interested I can probably dig out the drawing.
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?I had the same issue as Peter. Once I loosened the lines a little it worked much better
>>>>> Mel Rothbard
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote: Joe,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult. Other than that, I can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little blocks turn freely.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller have any
>>>>>> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to operate. Any
>>>>>> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung
>>>>>> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
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From rnelson204 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 13:13:10 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 12:13:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <4F0B27CB-C9CA-48CE-B1C9-2127445EDA63@stottarchitecture.com>
References: <155171DD-C748-4A63-A043-27DCBB43D720@stottarchitecture.com>
<BF8078DF-4D61-4F6D-8838-37213D1C9F13@gmail.com>
<4F0B27CB-C9CA-48CE-B1C9-2127445EDA63@stottarchitecture.com>
Message-ID: <CA+k9M44npiAo9vOSxz7kf8V9WiqaNTpTBcL15dWaQAShdz=-Yw@mail.gmail.com>
Ric, I?m very interested in your offer. When would be a good time talk
live? I?d love to pick your brain on the whole set up.
My cell is (405) 496-5533.
Thanks again,
Rodney
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 12:09 Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> You're welcome to the drawing. The original file, which had additional
> drawings and instructions was corrupted in the 6 or 7 years since I made
> the design. I do have an extra set that I had made at the time. I don?t
> think I?ll need them as the originals are in top shape after 6 years of use
> - I would sell them for $100.
> I?ll take a couple of photos later today or tomorrow and get those to you
> as well.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Jun 2, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ric thx for the diagram, it came through. Do you have a picture of the
> the machines but installed on the boat. Im a super visual learner, drives
> my wife crazy.
> > Thanks for sharing your work ?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 2, 2022, at 11:26, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:
> ric at stottarchitecture.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?Rodney
> >> I found a drawing, but its not the drawing I was hoping to locate. I?ll
> try to attach it here. IF it gets scrubbed, I?ll resend through my gmail
> account.
> >> Please let me know if the attachment makes it.
> >> Once the two pieces were fabricated, I installed them onto the
> split-backstay, then drilled a 1/4? hole through the assembly and used a
> 1/4? ?Fast-Pin? t keep it in place. Its really easy to pull the fast-pin
> and swing one side out of the way of the motor, or the stern ladder on the
> other side. This makes it really convenient for boarding folks from astern
> (the ladder) or working on the motor.
> >> Best
> >> Ric
> >> Dadventure
> >>
> >> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> >> ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> >> O -631-283-1777
> >> C- 516-965-3164
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com
> <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Ric, I?d love to see the drawings and pic of the set up installed if
> you have time.
> >>> Thanks
> >>> Rodney
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 06:32, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> ?My traveler conversion does not move easily and the line tension
> makes a big difference. Try easing the tension on the cam-cleat. This will
> make movement easier but it will never be fast and never be the tool you
> use to de-power quickly, the main sheet is best for that. What I like best
> about Stan?s invention is the ability to pull the pins from the ends and
> swing the traveler out of the way or take it off completely in seconds. I
> designed the ends and had them fabricated out of Delrin at a local machine
> shop. If anyone is interested I can probably dig out the drawing.
> >>>> Ric
> >>>> Dadventure.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ?I had the same issue as Peter. Once I loosened the lines a little
> it worked much better
> >>>>> Mel Rothbard
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com>
> wrote: Joe,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working
> the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult. Other than that, I
> can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little
> blocks turn freely.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --Peter
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller
> have any
> >>>>>> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to
> operate. Any
> >>>>>> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via
> the Samsung
> >>>>>> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>
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> >> Type: application/pdf
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>
>
From peter at sunnybeeches.com Thu Jun 2 15:31:34 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2022 12:31:34 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
Message-ID: <E1nwqXe-00EApt-Ga@s152.servername.online>
Joe,
I would suggest giving the line a soak in a bucket of warm water with detergent, or better yet put it in a mesh bag and run it through your clothes washing machine.
--Peter
> On 2022-06-02, at 10:06:50 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>
> Peter,I was wondering about the tension, but it worked fine when i first
> got it. All the blocks seem to be turning freely. I will re-tie and adjust the
> bitter end knot and give the line a good wipe down. Do you think a thin coating
> of silicone would be helpful?JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T
> 5G smartphone
>
From bgarrant at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 16:52:32 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:52:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Foam Decking for Rhodes 22?
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBC-AALML00+DhZ0Wc4pRDc2Y6FGWWAaB2UceJWBtmkkjg@mail.gmail.com>
Has anybody installed foam decking on their Rhodes?
I would like to install it on my Cockpit Floor, Benches and Gunnels.
Thanks,
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 17:01:16 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 17:01:16 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <001901d876a3$2fabba80$8f032f80$@ebsmed.com>
References: <005f01d86c92$5b0a5b20$111f1160$@ebsmed.com>
<C385DFD8-BFA1-4A45-A674-316D8A583B52@gmail.com>
<09f901d875da$cc7db3a0$65791ae0$@gmail.com>
<003101d875f3$cc8dafd0$65a90f70$@ebsmed.com>
<0a5301d875fe$97daee00$c790ca00$@gmail.com>
<001901d876a3$2fabba80$8f032f80$@ebsmed.com>
Message-ID: <0b7501d876c3$e69d04e0$b3d70ea0$@gmail.com>
Mike, Roger, Joe, et al,
Thank you for all your help. I ordered the 6" x 60" 1/4" strip from MSC, which they promise will arrive tomorrow.
I continue to find this forum to be a wonderful resource that adds so much value to owning a Rhodes.
Thanks again!
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 1:07 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike McKay,
The last time that I needed to replace a centerboard trunk gasket, about 12 years ago on my original 1981, I used:
MSC Direct P/N:83039842
Neoprene Rubber Thickness: 3/16 Width: 6 Length: 60 Durometer: 40 Color: Black
See the original email thread at:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2011-January/067570.html
It worked very well.
Mike Weisner
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:29 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike,
My existing gasket is 7.25 x 54.25. I didn't examine the possibility of using narrower material--is that what you used?
Thanks,
Mike
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
The 40A product is currently out of stock at MSCDirect.com, although the 3/16"/60A material is readily available for $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 60 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 57125841 Mfr# RS-N60-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/57125841
or you can move up to 1/4"/40A material at $24.74 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 1/4? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039875 Mfr# RS-N40-269
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039875
or, simply wait a bit for the 3/16"/40A material to be in stock again at $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039842 Mfr# RS-N40-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039842
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:13 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is incommunicado recently.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
>
> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide
> x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material,
> Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
>>
>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
>>>
>>
>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 17:07:52 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 17:07:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <E1nwqXe-00EApt-Ga@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nwqXe-00EApt-Ga@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <0b7b01d876c4$d2f79c60$78e6d520$@gmail.com>
If you clean it in a washing machine, it's best to put it into a mesh bag (preferable) or pillow case first.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 3:32 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
Joe,
I would suggest giving the line a soak in a bucket of warm water with detergent, or better yet put it in a mesh bag and run it through your clothes washing machine.
--Peter
> On 2022-06-02, at 10:06:50 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>
> Peter,I was wondering about the tension, but it worked fine when i first
> got it. All the blocks seem to be turning freely. I will re-tie and adjust the
> bitter end knot and give the line a good wipe down. Do you think a thin coating
> of silicone would be helpful?JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T
> 5G smartphone
>
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 21:02:59 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2022 21:02:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <0b7b01d876c4$d2f79c60$78e6d520$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62995dd9.1c69fb81.cf256.4e70@mx.google.com>
The lines still have the factory finish/coating. I think loosening the tension will take care of the problem.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Date: 6/2/22 5:07 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller If you clean it in a washing machine, it's best to put it into a mesh bag (preferable) or pillow case first.-----Original Message-----From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter NybergSent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 3:32 PMTo: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.orgSubject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet TravellerJoe,I would suggest giving the line a soak in a bucket of warm water with detergent, or better yet put it in a mesh bag and run it through your clothes washing machine.--Peter> On 2022-06-02, at 10:06:50 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:>> Peter,I was wondering about the tension, but it worked fine when i first > got it. All the blocks seem to be turning freely. I will re-tie and adjust the > bitter end knot and give the line a good wipe down. Do you think a thin coating > of silicone would be helpful?JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T > 5G smartphone >
From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 22:35:05 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:35:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVy7rakQ4VCAO0ZpeCr1v7hV9Z_8Rwe-EMY7TXMHyUoVg@mail.gmail.com>
Having some spare time and reliable computer and internet access, I
finished up week 5. Posted below is the link for week 5 of our trip from
NW Greece to Turkey. It covers the 250 mile crossing of the Aegean. Lots
of fun and interesting places. Enjoy (but not to the detriment of sailing
time on your own boat).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cyF7x4gRvOBL34nTdQQhUAcWYt8aLl2/view?usp=sharing
Chris & Alice Geankoplis
Enosis
From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 22:52:44 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:52:44 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVy7rakQ4VCAO0ZpeCr1v7hV9Z_8Rwe-EMY7TXMHyUoVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVy7rakQ4VCAO0ZpeCr1v7hV9Z_8Rwe-EMY7TXMHyUoVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEkWQsKqfFHDCXo5sZFRjdMFr6-nBTFc3xOzOGiXdi4FBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Great read! Thanks Chris
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 10:35 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Having some spare time and reliable computer and internet access, I
> finished up week 5. Posted below is the link for week 5 of our trip from
> NW Greece to Turkey. It covers the 250 mile crossing of the Aegean. Lots
> of fun and interesting places. Enjoy (but not to the detriment of sailing
> time on your own boat).
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cyF7x4gRvOBL34nTdQQhUAcWYt8aLl2/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 07:59:03 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 07:59:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEkWQsKqfFHDCXo5sZFRjdMFr6-nBTFc3xOzOGiXdi4FBQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVy7rakQ4VCAO0ZpeCr1v7hV9Z_8Rwe-EMY7TXMHyUoVg@mail.gmail.com>
<CAPgvAEkWQsKqfFHDCXo5sZFRjdMFr6-nBTFc3xOzOGiXdi4FBQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiVg+c4m=JfVw_Ygvr8hkz5E+-fk=YOuWZ+Dzo4xqUQH7w@mail.gmail.com>
Glad to share with the Rhodes family.
Chris
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 10:52 PM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great read! Thanks Chris
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 10:35 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Having some spare time and reliable computer and internet access, I
> > finished up week 5. Posted below is the link for week 5 of our trip from
> > NW Greece to Turkey. It covers the 250 mile crossing of the Aegean.
> Lots
> > of fun and interesting places. Enjoy (but not to the detriment of
> sailing
> > time on your own boat).
> >
> >
> >
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cyF7x4gRvOBL34nTdQQhUAcWYt8aLl2/view?usp=sharing
> >
> >
> > Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> > Enosis
> >
>
From mark at whipplefamily.com Fri Jun 3 09:30:27 2022
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 09:30:27 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
In-Reply-To: <0b7b01d876c4$d2f79c60$78e6d520$@gmail.com>
References: <E1nwqXe-00EApt-Ga@s152.servername.online>
<0b7b01d876c4$d2f79c60$78e6d520$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5AS-KaYKyUg7dHoBLCBL48LEg95Q-tC+zbPx0QvcdmUzKQ@mail.gmail.com>
Here's a short post on Practical Sailor about washing rope.
https://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/rope-washing-advice-from-the-pros
Mark
Boston, MA
2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 5:07 PM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> If you clean it in a washing machine, it's best to put it into a mesh bag
> (preferable) or pillow case first.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Peter Nyberg
> Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 3:32 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
>
> Joe,
>
> I would suggest giving the line a soak in a bucket of warm water with
> detergent, or better yet put it in a mesh bag and run it through your
> clothes washing machine.
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2022-06-02, at 10:06:50 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
> >
> > Peter,I was wondering about the tension, but it worked fine when i
> first
> > got it. All the blocks seem to be turning freely. I will re-tie and
> adjust the
> > bitter end knot and give the line a good wipe down. Do you think a thin
> coating
> > of silicone would be helpful?JoeSent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an
> AT&T
> > 5G smartphone
> >
>
>
>
From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 09:49:25 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 09:49:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiVy7rakQ4VCAO0ZpeCr1v7hV9Z_8Rwe-EMY7TXMHyUoVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVy7rakQ4VCAO0ZpeCr1v7hV9Z_8Rwe-EMY7TXMHyUoVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3frO2oKHULQ8TgMV68vcc6_rdzHSi3N-rKmGbk9bXvoJ6A@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks for sharing Chris! As always, it's interesting to see the before
and after photos 50 years apart. That monastery looks spectacular.
Just read this while traveling back from a sailing trip out of Rockland,
Maine where there is an amazing amount of schooners. I was on a Norseman
447 on a trip through Morse Alpha Expeditions and got to do an overnight
sail for the first time. The Maine coast is beautiful! I attached a
couple of photos.
Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 10:35 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Having some spare time and reliable computer and internet access, I
> finished up week 5. Posted below is the link for week 5 of our trip from
> NW Greece to Turkey. It covers the 250 mile crossing of the Aegean. Lots
> of fun and interesting places. Enjoy (but not to the detriment of sailing
> time on your own boat).
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cyF7x4gRvOBL34nTdQQhUAcWYt8aLl2/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 12:26:32 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 12:26:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med
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We?ve never been sailing in main, it sounds like a great trip. I?ve been
on a couple of Norseman 447, I love all of Bob Perry's designs, solid
boats. Don't make'em like they used to. Headed for the Chesapeake in a
couple of weeks from Charlston, then who knows, maybe sail up to Main, it
sounds beautiful.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis
On Jun 4, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>
wrote:
Thanks for sharing Chris! As always, it's interesting to see the before
and after photos 50 years apart. That monastery looks spectacular.
Just read this while traveling back from a sailing trip out of Rockland,
Maine where there is an amazing amount of schooners. I was on a Norseman
447 on a trip through Morse Alpha Expeditions and got to do an overnight
sail for the first time. The Maine coast is beautiful! I attached a
couple of photos.
Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr
On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 10:35 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:
Having some spare time and reliable computer and internet access, I
finished up week 5. Posted below is the link for week 5 of our trip from
NW Greece to Turkey. It covers the 250 mile crossing of the Aegean. Lots
of fun and interesting places. Enjoy (but not to the detriment of sailing
time on your own boat).
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cyF7x4gRvOBL34nTdQQhUAcWYt8aLl2/view?usp=sharing
Chris & Alice Geankoplis
Enosis
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From peter at sunnybeeches.com Sat Jun 4 16:24:07 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2022 13:24:07 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising in Maine
Message-ID: <E1nxaJb-006aPe-JJ@s152.servername.online>
Jesse,
It looks like I'll be headed up to Rockland in a couple of weeks. If all goes well, this will be the first time I managed to make it up to Maine in June. Did you have any problems with mosquitoes?
Just curious, overnight sail to where?
--Peter
> On 2022-06-04, at 09:49:25 EDT, Jesse Shumaker wrote:
>
> Just read this while traveling back from a sailing trip out of Rockland, Maine
> where there is an amazing amount of schooners. I was on a Norseman 447 on a
> trip through Morse Alpha Expeditions and got to do an overnight sail for the
> first time. The Maine coast is beautiful! I attached a couple of photos.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
>
>
> <a
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220604/88af8952/attachment.jpg"
> target="_blank">Screenshot_20220604-094347_Gallery.jpg</a>
>
> <a
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220604/88af8952/attachment-0001.jpg"
> target="_blank">Screenshot_20220604-094710_Photos.jpg</a>
>
From hnw555 at gmail.com Sat Jun 4 16:29:00 2022
From: hnw555 at gmail.com (Hank)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 16:29:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising in Maine
In-Reply-To: <E1nxaJb-006aPe-JJ@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nxaJb-006aPe-JJ@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CADQNfMAhKdrgkNe0N8NLWa5_OpP5cWphguMzCARSuxccVHUazg@mail.gmail.com>
We were in Maine for a schooner cruise last year at the beginning of July
and didn't see any mosquitos at all.
Hank
On Sat, Jun 4, 2022, 4:24 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> It looks like I'll be headed up to Rockland in a couple of weeks. If all
> goes well, this will be the first time I managed to make it up to Maine in
> June. Did you have any problems with mosquitoes?
>
> Just curious, overnight sail to where?
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2022-06-04, at 09:49:25 EDT, Jesse Shumaker wrote:
> >
> > Just read this while traveling back from a sailing trip out of Rockland,
> Maine
> > where there is an amazing amount of schooners. I was on a Norseman 447
> on a
> > trip through Morse Alpha Expeditions and got to do an overnight sail for
> the
> > first time. The Maine coast is beautiful! I attached a couple of
> photos.
> >
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
> >
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220604/88af8952/attachment.jpg"
>
> > target="_blank">Screenshot_20220604-094347_Gallery.jpg</a>
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220604/88af8952/attachment-0001.jpg"
>
> > target="_blank">Screenshot_20220604-094710_Photos.jpg</a>
> >
>
>
From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 00:19:35 2022
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2022 21:19:35 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kenichi Horie
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuNwAH41d6puNuqk8p5Ed1rWdMAooX=zvDKZRzEivK=AtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Kenichi Horie just finished sailing across the Pacific solo at the age of
83. Chris?
Cheers,
Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenichi_Horie?wprov=sfla1
From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 08:11:44 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 07:11:44 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Cruising in Maine
In-Reply-To: <E1nxaJb-006aPe-JJ@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nxaJb-006aPe-JJ@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fq9-y=gLtvv_KUXep+yr618khjHtkMuKvvP7k2UbbkJwQ@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Peter,
There was one anchorage where we had some mosquitoes (Northwest Harbor on
Deer Isle) when the wind died, but it wasn't bad. Otherwise we didn't have
any bug issues at all.
Here's where we went:
- started by anchoring out on south side of Rockland Harbor
- sailed northeast and anchored in Northwest Harbor on Deer Isle
- sailed northwest around Little Deer Isle and then southeast through
Eggemoggin Reach, then east through Casco Passage, then hooked north around
Black Island to anchor between Black, Opechee and Sheep islands.
- sailed southeast around Great Duck Island then NNW between Mount
Desert and Cranberry Islands all the way up north to the end of Somes Sound
by Bar Island, then back south to anchor in Valley Cove near the mouth of
Somes Sound
- sailed south just a bit to Southwest Harbor and docked to walk around
the town. Then departed mid afternoon for our overnight passage. Sailed
east and then south around Sutton, Little Cranberry and Baker islands then
continued south about 15 miles past Mount Desert Light (to get out to an
area mostly free of lobster pots before dark). In the middle of the night
we started heading back northwest towards Rockland, keeping Vinalhaven
Island to our north.
I'll put together a trip recap with photos and share that once I have it
assembled.
Jesse
On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 3:24 PM Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
> Jesse,
>
> It looks like I'll be headed up to Rockland in a couple of weeks. If all
> goes well, this will be the first time I managed to make it up to Maine in
> June. Did you have any problems with mosquitoes?
>
> Just curious, overnight sail to where?
>
> --Peter
>
> > On 2022-06-04, at 09:49:25 EDT, Jesse Shumaker wrote:
> >
> > Just read this while traveling back from a sailing trip out of Rockland,
> Maine
> > where there is an amazing amount of schooners. I was on a Norseman 447
> on a
> > trip through Morse Alpha Expeditions and got to do an overnight sail for
> the
> > first time. The Maine coast is beautiful! I attached a couple of
> photos.
> >
> > Jesse Shumaker
> > S/V Zephyr
> >
> >
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220604/88af8952/attachment.jpg"
>
> > target="_blank">Screenshot_20220604-094347_Gallery.jpg</a>
> >
> > <a
> > href="
> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220604/88af8952/attachment-0001.jpg"
>
> > target="_blank">Screenshot_20220604-094710_Photos.jpg</a>
> >
>
>
From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 08:19:43 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 07:19:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUPN+h3BuRmvE7znLKpww1tx07Gw6+5Dgc_dRSQc29L8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVy7rakQ4VCAO0ZpeCr1v7hV9Z_8Rwe-EMY7TXMHyUoVg@mail.gmail.com>
<CAMc-3frO2oKHULQ8TgMV68vcc6_rdzHSi3N-rKmGbk9bXvoJ6A@mail.gmail.com>
<CADNTwiUPN+h3BuRmvE7znLKpww1tx07Gw6+5Dgc_dRSQc29L8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3fqFoTp-mSGwAaLzUk3J5W+0maWhfz3aaxRexCwk+HGGMw@mail.gmail.com>
Chris, that sounds nice to have an open schedule to allow for whatever
adventures suit the weather.
I'm going to be heading to the Chesapeake in early July for a Delmarva
circumnavigation for an ASA106 class through Maryland School of Sailing.
I'll be staying on the boat in Rock Hall the nights of July 1st and July
2nd before we get underway. If by some miracle you or other Rhodies might
be in the neighborhood around then perhaps we could meet up.
Jesse
On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 11:26 AM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
wrote:
> We?ve never been sailing in main, it sounds like a great trip. I?ve been
> on a couple of Norseman 447, I love all of Bob Perry's designs, solid
> boats. Don't make'em like they used to. Headed for the Chesapeake in a
> couple of weeks from Charlston, then who knows, maybe sail up to Main, it
> sounds beautiful.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
> On Jun 4, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for sharing Chris! As always, it's interesting to see the before
> and after photos 50 years apart. That monastery looks spectacular.
>
> Just read this while traveling back from a sailing trip out of Rockland,
> Maine where there is an amazing amount of schooners. I was on a Norseman
> 447 on a trip through Morse Alpha Expeditions and got to do an overnight
> sail for the first time. The Maine coast is beautiful! I attached a
> couple of photos.
>
> Jesse Shumaker
> S/V Zephyr
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 10:35 PM Chris Geankoplis <chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Having some spare time and reliable computer and internet access, I
> finished up week 5. Posted below is the link for week 5 of our trip from
> NW Greece to Turkey. It covers the 250 mile crossing of the Aegean. Lots
> of fun and interesting places. Enjoy (but not to the detriment of sailing
> time on your own boat).
>
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cyF7x4gRvOBL34nTdQQhUAcWYt8aLl2/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> Enosis
>
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From urchinn at aol.com Sun Jun 5 10:32:48 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 14:32:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the mast support?
References: <470570177.4089094.1654439568864.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <470570177.4089094.1654439568864@mail.yahoo.com>
Before buying our Rhodes, we saw a few Catalina 22s, and they all had a vintage looking wood support in the cabin...under the mast!? Where is the mast support in the Rhodes?? Is it inside the wood "frame" around the head?? Confused...and intrigued!Tony Jonaitis
From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 10:35:56 2022
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 10:35:56 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Free R-22
Message-ID: <39280FF3-703B-4CB7-92B4-08F2D1F919AE@gmail.com>
I am giving away a 70?s era R-22. Free for hauling. Bring your trailer, fix up a classic. These were the ones with thick layup and woven cloth in the hull. Not the cheap choppergun hulls of the 80?s. Not the fastest but also not flexible lol. This one had hull and deck separation when sailing when the pop rivets corroded. Could be restored or turn into a pocket trawler.
Bob. Palatka Fl
386-336-5420 text.
From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Sun Jun 5 13:41:17 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 13:41:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Where is the mast support?
In-Reply-To: <470570177.4089094.1654439568864@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <470570177.4089094.1654439568864.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
<470570177.4089094.1654439568864@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4a26926b-bde6-4665-b40b-34e58bde939a@Spark>
The support is directly under the mast and going down to the hull. Actual build depends on the vintage of the boat.
Graham Stewart
On Jun 5, 2022, 10:32 AM -0400, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, wrote:
> Before buying our Rhodes, we saw a few Catalina 22s, and they all had a vintage looking wood support in the cabin...under the mast!? Where is the mast support in the Rhodes?? Is it inside the wood "frame" around the head?? Confused...and intrigued!Tony Jonaitis
From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Sun Jun 5 20:55:05 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2022 20:55:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Kenichi Horie
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuNwAH41d6puNuqk8p5Ed1rWdMAooX=zvDKZRzEivK=AtQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMzGxuNwAH41d6puNuqk8p5Ed1rWdMAooX=zvDKZRzEivK=AtQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUp2-ZTverdHtT_1G0gyx_BYGO6MYF7kRrsyzOw4EJW-g@mail.gmail.com>
Itv it were me at that age, I probably have started out going to the store
and forgot where I was going. So it begs the question. On purpose?
Grin. Amazing.
Chris Geankoplis
Enosis
On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 12:19 AM Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kenichi Horie just finished sailing across the Pacific solo at the age of
> 83. Chris?
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenichi_Horie?wprov=sfla1
>
From stevenalm at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 09:20:28 2022
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 08:20:28 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seat Cushion Covers
Message-ID: <CANtNeFB0bHeMZXUraXcj1J1B3cD23_ODLPJAQQqq_VgVL8OsxQ@mail.gmail.com>
I?m in need of a new cover for the cabin settee cushion. The thought of
sewing one myself is not out of the question but not my first choice, so I
thought I?d ask if this is available. Thanks.
Slim
Fandango
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 10:21:02 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 10:21:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
Message-ID: <0ef501d879b0$a6b75f70$f4261e50$@gmail.com>
Hi All,
The saga of my centerboard continues. After removing it we found that the
damage is quite extensive as can be seen from the attached pictures. My
boat mechanic is very good with fiberglass, but I would greatly appreciate
any suggestions that you have regarding how to approach this repair.
We noticed that there appears to be tiny bits of metal embedded in the resin
at the leading edge of the centerboard, possibly lead shot? I am guessing
that might have been an attempt to increase the weight of the centerboard,
but there did not seem to be enough to make much difference. Any thoughts
on that?
I reached out to Stan directly about the centerboard but haven't heard back
in over a week. Has anyone heard from him recently? My last email from him
was on May 1st.
Thanks,
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
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From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 12:06:40 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 12:06:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
In-Reply-To: <0ef501d879b0$a6b75f70$f4261e50$@gmail.com>
References: <0ef501d879b0$a6b75f70$f4261e50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiUn9fk8GPAFc6fHXP-nDM3T7qtyeg2XohPuDOhTkG+-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Ouch! I wonder if there was a void there that contributed to the damage.
I?ve never delt with that bad of damage to the CB. I suspect it won?t be a
complicated fix when all is said and done. Good luck and take a few
?during? and ?after? photos.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 10:21 AM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The saga of my centerboard continues. After removing it we found that the
> damage is quite extensive as can be seen from the attached pictures. My
> boat mechanic is very good with fiberglass, but I would greatly appreciate
> any suggestions that you have regarding how to approach this repair.
>
> We noticed that there appears to be tiny bits of metal embedded in the
> resin
> at the leading edge of the centerboard, possibly lead shot? I am guessing
> that might have been an attempt to increase the weight of the centerboard,
> but there did not seem to be enough to make much difference. Any thoughts
> on that?
>
> I reached out to Stan directly about the centerboard but haven't heard back
> in over a week. Has anyone heard from him recently? My last email from
> him
> was on May 1st.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
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From bobfcohen at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 13:45:58 2022
From: bobfcohen at gmail.com (Bob Cohen)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 13:45:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seat Cushion Covers
In-Reply-To: <CANtNeFB0bHeMZXUraXcj1J1B3cD23_ODLPJAQQqq_VgVL8OsxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANtNeFB0bHeMZXUraXcj1J1B3cD23_ODLPJAQQqq_VgVL8OsxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <028e01d879cd$481d3580$d857a080$@gmail.com>
Slim -
I have an extra set of Rhodes 22 cabin cushions with covers which I can make available to you. They are not new (probably vintage 2007) but they are in pretty good shape. However, I cannot send you photos right now because the cushions are in northern Michigan and I am in West Virginia. I will be in Michigan at the end of this month. If you are interested in the covers, call me at (304) 685-6693 or write me at bobfcohen at gmail.com.
Bob Cohen
Silver Bay
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Steven Alm
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 9:20 AM
To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seat Cushion Covers
I?m in need of a new cover for the cabin settee cushion. The thought of sewing one myself is not out of the question but not my first choice, so I thought I?d ask if this is available. Thanks.
Slim
Fandango
From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Mon Jun 6 14:07:28 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 14:07:28 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
In-Reply-To: <CADNTwiUn9fk8GPAFc6fHXP-nDM3T7qtyeg2XohPuDOhTkG+-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0ef501d879b0$a6b75f70$f4261e50$@gmail.com>
<CADNTwiUn9fk8GPAFc6fHXP-nDM3T7qtyeg2XohPuDOhTkG+-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <022a01d879d0$48bf6190$da3e24b0$@ca>
Mike:
I had to do some major repair on my keel which developed very large cracks al along the bottom. Flakes of metal that I assume were lead were leaking out. I assume that this was added for ballast. I also repaired my centre boad and found solid lead at the tip. I have the original centerboard.
I didn't try replacing the lead from the keel. I did find gowever that both the keel and the centerboard had substantial voids in them which I attempted to fill with epoxy. Water getting into the core and freezing was the likely culprit causing the cracks.
I was able to fix it all and I am no expert.
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 12:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
Ouch! I wonder if there was a void there that contributed to the damage.
I?ve never delt with that bad of damage to the CB. I suspect it won?t be a
complicated fix when all is said and done. Good luck and take a few
?during? and ?after? photos.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 10:21 AM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The saga of my centerboard continues. After removing it we found that the
> damage is quite extensive as can be seen from the attached pictures. My
> boat mechanic is very good with fiberglass, but I would greatly appreciate
> any suggestions that you have regarding how to approach this repair.
>
> We noticed that there appears to be tiny bits of metal embedded in the
> resin
> at the leading edge of the centerboard, possibly lead shot? I am guessing
> that might have been an attempt to increase the weight of the centerboard,
> but there did not seem to be enough to make much difference. Any thoughts
> on that?
>
> I reached out to Stan directly about the centerboard but haven't heard back
> in over a week. Has anyone heard from him recently? My last email from
> him
> was on May 1st.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Mon Jun 6 14:33:38 2022
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (mtroy at atlanticbb.net)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2022 14:33:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med
In-Reply-To: <CAMc-3fqFoTp-mSGwAaLzUk3J5W+0maWhfz3aaxRexCwk+HGGMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADNTwiVy7rakQ4VCAO0ZpeCr1v7hV9Z_8Rwe-EMY7TXMHyUoVg@mail.gmail.com><CAMc-3frO2oKHULQ8TgMV68vcc6_rdzHSi3N-rKmGbk9bXvoJ6A@mail.gmail.com><CADNTwiUPN+h3BuRmvE7znLKpww1tx07Gw6+5Dgc_dRSQc29L8g@mail.gmail.com><CAMc-3fqFoTp-mSGwAaLzUk3J5W+0maWhfz3aaxRexCwk+HGGMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ximss-5813028@be8.cluster1.echolabs.net>
Is that out of Lankford Bay Marina? Right around the corner from us.
Mary Lou & Fred
ex Rhodes 22
Now Rosborough RF 246
Roch Hall, MD
On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 07:19:43 -0500
Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris, that sounds nice to have an open schedule to
>allow for whatever
> adventures suit the weather.
>
> I'm going to be heading to the Chesapeake in early July
>for a Delmarva
> circumnavigation for an ASA106 class through Maryland
>School of Sailing.
> I'll be staying on the boat in Rock Hall the nights of
>July 1st and July
> 2nd before we get underway. If by some miracle you or
>other Rhodies might
> be in the neighborhood around then perhaps we could meet
>up.
>
> Jesse
>
> On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 11:26 AM Chris Geankoplis
><chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We?ve never been sailing in main, it sounds like a great
>>trip. I?ve been
>> on a couple of Norseman 447, I love all of Bob Perry's
>>designs, solid
>> boats. Don't make'em like they used to. Headed for the
>>Chesapeake in a
>> couple of weeks from Charlston, then who knows, maybe
>>sail up to Main, it
>> sounds beautiful.
>>
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> Enosis
>>
>> On Jun 4, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker
>><jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com
>> >
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for sharing Chris! As always, it's interesting
>>to see the before
>> and after photos 50 years apart. That monastery looks
>>spectacular.
>>
>> Just read this while traveling back from a sailing trip
>>out of Rockland,
>> Maine where there is an amazing amount of schooners. I
>>was on a Norseman
>> 447 on a trip through Morse Alpha Expeditions and got to
>>do an overnight
>> sail for the first time. The Maine coast is beautiful!
>> I attached a
>> couple of photos.
>>
>> Jesse Shumaker
>> S/V Zephyr
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 10:35 PM Chris Geankoplis
>><chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Having some spare time and reliable computer and
>>internet access, I
>> finished up week 5. Posted below is the link for week 5
>>of our trip from
>> NW Greece to Turkey. It covers the 250 mile crossing of
>>the Aegean. Lots
>> of fun and interesting places. Enjoy (but not to the
>>detriment of sailing
>> time on your own boat).
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cyF7x4gRvOBL34nTdQQhUAcWYt8aLl2/view?usp=sharing
>>
>>
>> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
>> Enosis
>>
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 14:49:02 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 14:49:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
In-Reply-To: <022a01d879d0$48bf6190$da3e24b0$@ca>
References: <0ef501d879b0$a6b75f70$f4261e50$@gmail.com>
<CADNTwiUn9fk8GPAFc6fHXP-nDM3T7qtyeg2XohPuDOhTkG+-3Q@mail.gmail.com>
<022a01d879d0$48bf6190$da3e24b0$@ca>
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Thanks Graham.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 2:07 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
Mike:
I had to do some major repair on my keel which developed very large cracks al along the bottom. Flakes of metal that I assume were lead were leaking out. I assume that this was added for ballast. I also repaired my centre boad and found solid lead at the tip. I have the original centerboard.
I didn't try replacing the lead from the keel. I did find gowever that both the keel and the centerboard had substantial voids in them which I attempted to fill with epoxy. Water getting into the core and freezing was the likely culprit causing the cracks.
I was able to fix it all and I am no expert.
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 12:07 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
Ouch! I wonder if there was a void there that contributed to the damage.
I?ve never delt with that bad of damage to the CB. I suspect it won?t be a
complicated fix when all is said and done. Good luck and take a few
?during? and ?after? photos.
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 10:21 AM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> The saga of my centerboard continues. After removing it we found that the
> damage is quite extensive as can be seen from the attached pictures. My
> boat mechanic is very good with fiberglass, but I would greatly appreciate
> any suggestions that you have regarding how to approach this repair.
>
> We noticed that there appears to be tiny bits of metal embedded in the
> resin
> at the leading edge of the centerboard, possibly lead shot? I am guessing
> that might have been an attempt to increase the weight of the centerboard,
> but there did not seem to be enough to make much difference. Any thoughts
> on that?
>
> I reached out to Stan directly about the centerboard but haven't heard back
> in over a week. Has anyone heard from him recently? My last email from
> him
> was on May 1st.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
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From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 14:56:49 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 14:56:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
In-Reply-To: <001901d876a3$2fabba80$8f032f80$@ebsmed.com>
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<09f901d875da$cc7db3a0$65791ae0$@gmail.com>
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I actually ordered this but should have measured first. On my boat 6" wide is not sufficient--some holes are further apart than that.
If anyone on the list can use this, please let me know.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 1:07 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike McKay,
The last time that I needed to replace a centerboard trunk gasket, about 12 years ago on my original 1981, I used:
MSC Direct P/N:83039842
Neoprene Rubber Thickness: 3/16 Width: 6 Length: 60 Durometer: 40 Color: Black
See the original email thread at:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2011-January/067570.html
It worked very well.
Mike Weisner
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:29 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike,
My existing gasket is 7.25 x 54.25. I didn't examine the possibility of using narrower material--is that what you used?
Thanks,
Mike
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
The 40A product is currently out of stock at MSCDirect.com, although the 3/16"/60A material is readily available for $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 60 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 57125841 Mfr# RS-N60-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/57125841
or you can move up to 1/4"/40A material at $24.74 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 1/4? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039875 Mfr# RS-N40-269
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039875
or, simply wait a bit for the 3/16"/40A material to be in stock again at $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039842 Mfr# RS-N40-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039842
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:13 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is incommunicado recently.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
>
> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide
> x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material,
> Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
>>
>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
>>>
>>
>
From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 15:26:43 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 14:26:43 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sailing in the Chesapeake
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Hi Mary Lou,
Yes, MD School of Sailing is at Lankford Bay Marina. That would be great
to meet up sometime on the evening of Saturday, July 2 if you and Fred
happen to be available.
Jesse
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 1:33 PM <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> Is that out of Lankford Bay Marina? Right around the corner from us.
> Mary Lou & Fred
> ex Rhodes 22
> Now Rosborough RF 246
> Roch Hall, MD
>
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2022 07:19:43 -0500
> Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Chris, that sounds nice to have an open schedule to
> >allow for whatever
> > adventures suit the weather.
> >
> > I'm going to be heading to the Chesapeake in early July
> >for a Delmarva
> > circumnavigation for an ASA106 class through Maryland
> >School of Sailing.
> > I'll be staying on the boat in Rock Hall the nights of
> >July 1st and July
> > 2nd before we get underway. If by some miracle you or
> >other Rhodies might
> > be in the neighborhood around then perhaps we could meet
> >up.
> >
> > Jesse
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 11:26 AM Chris Geankoplis
> ><chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> We?ve never been sailing in main, it sounds like a great
> >>trip. I?ve been
> >> on a couple of Norseman 447, I love all of Bob Perry's
> >>designs, solid
> >> boats. Don't make'em like they used to. Headed for the
> >>Chesapeake in a
> >> couple of weeks from Charlston, then who knows, maybe
> >>sail up to Main, it
> >> sounds beautiful.
> >>
> >> Chris Geankoplis
> >> Enosis
> >>
> >> On Jun 4, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker
> >><jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks for sharing Chris! As always, it's interesting
> >>to see the before
> >> and after photos 50 years apart. That monastery looks
> >>spectacular.
> >>
> >> Just read this while traveling back from a sailing trip
> >>out of Rockland,
> >> Maine where there is an amazing amount of schooners. I
> >>was on a Norseman
> >> 447 on a trip through Morse Alpha Expeditions and got to
> >>do an overnight
> >> sail for the first time. The Maine coast is beautiful!
> >> I attached a
> >> couple of photos.
> >>
> >> Jesse Shumaker
> >> S/V Zephyr
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 10:35 PM Chris Geankoplis
> >><chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Having some spare time and reliable computer and
> >>internet access, I
> >> finished up week 5. Posted below is the link for week 5
> >>of our trip from
> >> NW Greece to Turkey. It covers the 250 mile crossing of
> >>the Aegean. Lots
> >> of fun and interesting places. Enjoy (but not to the
> >>detriment of sailing
> >> time on your own boat).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cyF7x4gRvOBL34nTdQQhUAcWYt8aLl2/view?usp=sharing
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris & Alice Geankoplis
> >> Enosis
> >>
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From stevenalm at gmail.com Mon Jun 6 18:17:10 2022
From: stevenalm at gmail.com (Steven Alm)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2022 17:17:10 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seat Cushion Covers
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Great! Thanks Bob ? I sent you an email.
Slim
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:46 PM Bob Cohen <bobfcohen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Slim -
>
> I have an extra set of Rhodes 22 cabin cushions with covers which I can
> make available to you. They are not new (probably vintage 2007) but they
> are in pretty good shape. However, I cannot send you photos right now
> because the cushions are in northern Michigan and I am in West Virginia. I
> will be in Michigan at the end of this month. If you are interested in the
> covers, call me at (304) 685-6693 or write me at bobfcohen at gmail.com.
>
> Bob Cohen
> Silver Bay
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Steven Alm
> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 9:20 AM
> To: Rhodes <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Seat Cushion Covers
>
> I?m in need of a new cover for the cabin settee cushion. The thought of
> sewing one myself is not out of the question but not my first choice, so I
> thought I?d ask if this is available. Thanks.
>
> Slim
> Fandango
>
>
From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Jun 6 21:26:59 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 01:26:59 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
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Mike,
I think the centerboard has a metal skeleton inside of it. My centerboard was molded in 2 halves, which were glued to the metal skeleton. In addition, I think there is some lead shot for ballast that is glued inside. The impact that produced the gaping hole on your centerboard may have dislodged some of this lead shot.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 6, 2022, at 2:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> ?Thanks Graham.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 2:07 PM
> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
>
> Mike:
> I had to do some major repair on my keel which developed very large cracks al along the bottom. Flakes of metal that I assume were lead were leaking out. I assume that this was added for ballast. I also repaired my centre boad and found solid lead at the tip. I have the original centerboard.
> I didn't try replacing the lead from the keel. I did find gowever that both the keel and the centerboard had substantial voids in them which I attempted to fill with epoxy. Water getting into the core and freezing was the likely culprit causing the cracks.
>
> I was able to fix it all and I am no expert.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 12:07 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
>
> Ouch! I wonder if there was a void there that contributed to the damage.
> I?ve never delt with that bad of damage to the CB. I suspect it won?t be a
> complicated fix when all is said and done. Good luck and take a few
> ?during? and ?after? photos.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 10:21 AM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The saga of my centerboard continues. After removing it we found that the
>> damage is quite extensive as can be seen from the attached pictures. My
>> boat mechanic is very good with fiberglass, but I would greatly appreciate
>> any suggestions that you have regarding how to approach this repair.
>>
>> We noticed that there appears to be tiny bits of metal embedded in the
>> resin
>> at the leading edge of the centerboard, possibly lead shot? I am guessing
>> that might have been an attempt to increase the weight of the centerboard,
>> but there did not seem to be enough to make much difference. Any thoughts
>> on that?
>>
>> I reached out to Stan directly about the centerboard but haven't heard back
>> in over a week. Has anyone heard from him recently? My last email from
>> him
>> was on May 1st.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>> Allatoona Lake
>> Acworth, GA
>>
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 08:58:19 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2022 08:58:19 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Chesapeake/Delmarva Loop
In-Reply-To: <ximss-5813028@be8.cluster1.echolabs.net>
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When you're sailing the Bay, plan a stop at Deltaville, VA. Nice facilities and accommodations and floating slips at Regatta Point Marina on Broad Creek. If you prefer to anchor out, Fishing Bay, at the mouth of the Piankatank is one of the best anchorages on the Bay.? Fishing Bay Marina offers access to swimming pool, bath and showers.Let me know ahead of time direct at jpd9668 at gmail.com if you want to plan a stop.Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net Date: 6/6/22 2:33 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Rhodes in the Med Is that out of Lankford Bay Marina? Right around the corner from us.Mary Lou & Fredex Rhodes 22Now Rosborough RF 246Roch Hall, MDOn Sun, 5 Jun 2022 07:19:43 -0500? Jesse Shumaker <jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com> wrote:> Chris, that sounds nice to have an open schedule to >allow for whatever> adventures suit the weather.> > I'm going to be heading to the Chesapeake in early July >for a Delmarva> circumnavigation for an ASA106 class through Maryland >School of Sailing.> I'll be staying on the boat in Rock Hall the nights of >July 1st and July> 2nd before we get underway.? If by some miracle you or >other Rhodies might> be in the neighborhood around then perhaps we could meet >up.> > Jesse> > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 11:26 AM Chris Geankoplis ><chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>> wrote:> >> We?ve never been sailing in main, it sounds like a great >>trip.?? I?ve been>> on a couple of Norseman 447, I love all of Bob Perry's >>designs, solid>> boats.? Don't make'em like they used to.? Headed for the >>Chesapeake in a>> couple of weeks from Charlston, then who knows, maybe >>sail up to Main, it>> sounds beautiful.>>>> Chris Geankoplis>> Enosis>>>> On Jun 4, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Jesse Shumaker >><jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com>> >>> wrote:>>>> Thanks for sharing Chris!? As always, it's interesting >>to see the before>> and after photos 50 years apart.? That monastery looks >>spectacular.>>>> Just read this while traveling back from a sailing trip >>out of Rockland,>> Maine where there is an amazing amount of schooners.? I >>was on a Norseman>> 447 on a trip through Morse Alpha Expeditions and got to >>do an overnight>> sail for the first time.? The Maine coast is beautiful! >> I attached a>> couple of photos.>>>> Jesse Shumaker>> S/V Zephyr>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022, 10:35 PM Chris Geankoplis >><chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>> Having some spare time and reliable? computer and >>internet access,? I>> finished up week 5.? Posted below is the link for week 5 >>of our trip from>> NW Greece to Turkey.? It covers the 250 mile crossing of >>the Aegean.? Lots>> of fun and interesting places.? Enjoy (but not to the >>detriment of sailing>> time on your own boat).>>>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/11cyF7x4gRvOBL34nTdQQhUAcWYt8aLl2/view?usp=sharing>>>>>> Chris & Alice Geankoplis>> Enosis>>>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: Screenshot_20220604-094347_Gallery.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 915543 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL: <>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220604/88af8952/attachment.jpg>> >>> -------------- next part -------------->> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>> Name: Screenshot_20220604-094710_Photos.jpg>> Type: image/jpeg>> Size: 1007158 bytes>> Desc: not available>> URL: <>>>> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220604/88af8952/attachment-0001.jpg>> >>>
From ccowie at cowieassociates.com Tue Jun 7 10:02:02 2022
From: ccowie at cowieassociates.com (Chris Cowie)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 14:02:02 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
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Mike:
Below is a link to the rubber sheet warehouse store where I believe we purchased neoprene for the centerboard cap repair.
Amazon.com: Neoprene Rubber Sheet, Rolls, Strips 3/16" (.187") Thick x 8" Wide x 10" Long Solid Rubber : Industrial & Scientific<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016C5GMDK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
Please note that I spent a number of years setting up a boat repair and restoration facility in Maryland that included re-establishing relationships with various boat suppliers for trailers, rigging, sails, hardware, and other items however after a few years of operation I ended this service due to threats and feedback I received from the Rhodes community. Perhaps I will re-visit this service again in the future in a more friendly environment.
Please note our new office address and phone number
Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
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________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 1:07 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike McKay,
The last time that I needed to replace a centerboard trunk gasket, about 12 years ago on my original 1981, I used:
MSC Direct P/N:83039842
Neoprene Rubber Thickness: 3/16 Width: 6 Length: 60 Durometer: 40 Color: Black
See the original email thread at:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2011-January/067570.html
It worked very well.
Mike Weisner
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:29 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike,
My existing gasket is 7.25 x 54.25. I didn't examine the possibility of using narrower material--is that what you used?
Thanks,
Mike
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
The 40A product is currently out of stock at MSCDirect.com, although the 3/16"/60A material is readily available for $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 60 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 57125841 Mfr# RS-N60-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/57125841
or you can move up to 1/4"/40A material at $24.74 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 1/4? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039875 Mfr# RS-N40-269
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039875
or, simply wait a bit for the 3/16"/40A material to be in stock again at $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039842 Mfr# RS-N40-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039842
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:13 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is incommunicado recently.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
>
> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide
> x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material,
> Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
>>
>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
>>>
>>
>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 17:00:10 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 17:00:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
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Hi Chris,
Thank you for this. I had overlooked this seller on Amazon previously because I was specifically looking for 40A rubber and this is 60A. However, they do have a strip that is 8" wide and 10' long which is much closer to what I need than I had found so far. In the end I ordered a piece of 3/16" 40A sheet that is 5' long and 36" wide because it was about the same price.
If other Rhodies need gasket material, I will have plenty left over.
Thanks again,
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Chris Cowie
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 10:02 AM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike:
Below is a link to the rubber sheet warehouse store where I believe we purchased neoprene for the centerboard cap repair.
Amazon.com: Neoprene Rubber Sheet, Rolls, Strips 3/16" (.187") Thick x 8" Wide x 10" Long Solid Rubber : Industrial & Scientific<https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B016C5GMDK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1>
Please note that I spent a number of years setting up a boat repair and restoration facility in Maryland that included re-establishing relationships with various boat suppliers for trailers, rigging, sails, hardware, and other items however after a few years of operation I ended this service due to threats and feedback I received from the Rhodes community. Perhaps I will re-visit this service again in the future in a more friendly environment.
Please note our new office address and phone number
Christopher P. Cowie [cid:image001.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0] [cid:image002.png at 01CA3AD3.5BD581F0]
4200 Massachusetts Ave NW
119
Washington DC 20016
703.717.9103<tel:703.717.9103> ex.204 ? 202.270.1470<tel:202.270.1470> mobile
[ccowie at cowieassociates.com<mailto:ccowie at cowieassociates.com>]
________________________________
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> on behalf of Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 2, 2022 1:07 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike McKay,
The last time that I needed to replace a centerboard trunk gasket, about 12 years ago on my original 1981, I used:
MSC Direct P/N:83039842
Neoprene Rubber Thickness: 3/16 Width: 6 Length: 60 Durometer: 40 Color: Black
See the original email thread at:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2011-January/067570.html
It worked very well.
Mike Weisner
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 5:29 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Mike,
My existing gasket is 7.25 x 54.25. I didn't examine the possibility of using narrower material--is that what you used?
Thanks,
Mike
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Michael D. Weisner
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:12 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
The 40A product is currently out of stock at MSCDirect.com, although the 3/16"/60A material is readily available for $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 60 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 57125841 Mfr# RS-N60-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/57125841
or you can move up to 1/4"/40A material at $24.74 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 1/4? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039875 Mfr# RS-N40-269
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039875
or, simply wait a bit for the 3/16"/40A material to be in stock again at $18.63 as follows:
USA Sealing
60 x 6 x 3/16? Black Neoprene Strip
Shore 40 A, 1,000 to 1,200 psi Tensile Strength, -40 to 212?F MSC# 83039842 Mfr# RS-N40-268
https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/83039842
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:13 PM
To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Currently none of the rubber sheeting on Amazon or McMaster-Carr are the right size for the gasket. Has anyone found another option? Stan is incommunicado recently.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Mitch Mitchell
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 6:34 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
Sorry, that?s not the one I used. If you look that up on Amazon they come in a wide variety of sizes and thickness. I listed that so you could get the brand name.
Sent from my iPhone
> On May 20, 2022, at 5:41 PM, Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com> wrote:
>
> ?This product is too thin and not wide enough.
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Mitch Mitchell
> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2022 12:16 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Source For New Centerboard Cap Gasket
>
> You might try this out. It comes in different sizes and thicknesses. I found it on Amazon.
>
> NABOWAN Solid Rubber Sheets,Strips,Rolls 1/8" (.125") Thick x 3" Wide
> x 120" Long, Thin Neoprene Rubber, Perfect for DIY Gasket Material,
> Sealing, Liner, Shield, Padding, Mat : Industrial & Scientific
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 20, 2022, at 11:11 AM, John Wiberg <jwiberg at wi.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks Mark. I?ll Give a try. John
>>
>>>> On May 20, 2022, at 9:53 AM, Mark West via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> charles.gabriel at gmail.com helps Stan in parts. Hope this helps Mark
>>>
>>
>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 17:09:45 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 17:09:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
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As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
Sent from my iPhone
From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Tue Jun 7 20:46:28 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 00:46:28 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
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Mike,
Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon composite.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
From bgarrant at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 22:34:45 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 22:34:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Foam Decking?
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBCfS-pAevwup-vUykTR3QtoOHo2HDkkNjsXt4s7WyA+3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Has anybody installed foam decking on their Rhodes?
I would like to install it on my Cockpit Floor, Benches and Gunnels.
Thanks,
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 00:06:49 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 00:06:49 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
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That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Mike,
>
> Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon composite.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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>> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
>> Michael McKay
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
From kensimolo at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 00:19:03 2022
From: kensimolo at gmail.com (Ken Simolo)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 00:19:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
In-Reply-To: <7E2EF1CF-659C-405E-BF13-38BDC62F4D04@gmail.com>
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Actually Delrin is not a glass fiber reinforced nylon product. It is a
uniform acetal monopolymer product. It machines nicely but the surface
finish can look dull.
If it is just a cylinder with 4 holes in it (hard to see on my phone), it
would be simple to buy the right material and use the holes in the metal to
mark the hole locations in the plastic.
Ken
On June 8, 2022 at 12:06:56 AM, Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com) wrote:
That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Mike,
>
> Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After that,
maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would make
the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon
composite.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
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>> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a
broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are
butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing
it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
>> Michael McKay
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 00:36:33 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 00:36:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
In-Reply-To: <CAK_z4Dpw-5Xq-F_mt=PZf_Fce06MMjnbURXjez_dD5m=f-fxNA@mail.gmail.com>
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It?s not a simple cylinder. It?s more an irregular oval with a groove in one side corresponding to the slot for the luff tape. I?d also have to redo the headstay because that runs though the center of it. The whole process won?t be trivial.
Might be worth replacing the furling system altogether How do Rhodies like the CDI furler?
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Actually Delrin is not a glass fiber reinforced nylon product. It is a uniform acetal monopolymer product. It machines nicely but the surface finish can look dull.
>
> If it is just a cylinder with 4 holes in it (hard to see on my phone), it would be simple to buy the right material and use the holes in the metal to mark the hole locations in the plastic.
>
> Ken
>
>
>> On June 8, 2022 at 12:06:56 AM, Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com) wrote:
>>
>> That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.
>>
>> Michael McKay
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?Mike,
>> >
>> > Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon composite.
>> >
>> > Roger Pihlaja
>> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
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>> >> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
>> >> Michael McKay
>> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
From mike at traildesign.com Wed Jun 8 00:52:25 2022
From: mike at traildesign.com (Mike Riter)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2022 23:52:25 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
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I had the same piece break on my furler and thought it would be easy to get
a new one machined at a shop. Because of its odd shape along with the
groove, it proved to be very difficult for the machinist to replicate.
Ultimately he had to come by my shop and take a bunch of
detailed measurements on the inside of the tube to get the piece to fit
correctly. It was a pain and took a couple weeks to complete. I had asked
him to make it out of more rigid material and he said that wasn't a good
idea as the part needed to flex a bit. He did make it 1" longer on both
ends than the original. It's been a year now with no problems.
Getting the cable routed back through it was pretty straightforward. I
unscrewed the two part block at the top and was able to fit the cable end
through the hole in the center of the new part.
I'm guessing that as hard as it was to machine, that the maker of the
original furler tube had the part injection molded.
Mike Riter
SV Emma B
On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 11:36 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It?s not a simple cylinder. It?s more an irregular oval with a groove in
> one side corresponding to the slot for the luff tape. I?d also have to
> redo the headstay because that runs though the center of it. The whole
> process won?t be trivial.
>
> Might be worth replacing the furling system altogether How do Rhodies
> like the CDI furler?
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Actually Delrin is not a glass fiber reinforced nylon product. It is a
> uniform acetal monopolymer product. It machines nicely but the surface
> finish can look dull.
> >
> > If it is just a cylinder with 4 holes in it (hard to see on my phone),
> it would be simple to buy the right material and use the holes in the metal
> to mark the hole locations in the plastic.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >> On June 8, 2022 at 12:06:56 AM, Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >>
> >> That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.
> >>
> >> Michael McKay
> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?Mike,
> >> >
> >> > Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After
> that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would
> make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon
> composite.
> >> >
> >> > Roger Pihlaja
> >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ?
> >> >>
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> >> >> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a
> broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are
> butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing
> it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
> >> >> Michael McKay
> >> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
>
From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Jun 8 09:00:59 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 13:00:59 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
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Mike,
The insert doesn?t need to be solid. Just machine a narrow slot in one side of the insert from the surface down to the central bore. Then, you can wedge the slot open with a flat bladed screwdriver while you slide the forestay in. When you remove the screwdriver blade, the slot will close. Once the insert is in place, the ID of the furling extrusion will hold the slot closed.
With modern CNC machine tools, pretty much any shape can be created. The machinist will have the old broken insert to use as a template.
Delrin 150 has tensile, flexural, and compressive moduli of 450,000 psi. It will stretch ~30% before failure. It is both more rigid vs HDPE and sufficiently flexible for this application. It has excellent fatigue strength and is unaffected by water. It has excellent machinability.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
I had the same piece break on my furler and thought it would be easy to get
a new one machined at a shop. Because of its odd shape along with the
groove, it proved to be very difficult for the machinist to replicate.
Ultimately he had to come by my shop and take a bunch of
detailed measurements on the inside of the tube to get the piece to fit
correctly. It was a pain and took a couple weeks to complete. I had asked
him to make it out of more rigid material and he said that wasn't a good
idea as the part needed to flex a bit. He did make it 1" longer on both
ends than the original. It's been a year now with no problems.
Getting the cable routed back through it was pretty straightforward. I
unscrewed the two part block at the top and was able to fit the cable end
through the hole in the center of the new part.
I'm guessing that as hard as it was to machine, that the maker of the
original furler tube had the part injection molded.
Mike Riter
SV Emma B
On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 11:36 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It?s not a simple cylinder. It?s more an irregular oval with a groove in
> one side corresponding to the slot for the luff tape. I?d also have to
> redo the headstay because that runs though the center of it. The whole
> process won?t be trivial.
>
> Might be worth replacing the furling system altogether How do Rhodies
> like the CDI furler?
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Actually Delrin is not a glass fiber reinforced nylon product. It is a
> uniform acetal monopolymer product. It machines nicely but the surface
> finish can look dull.
> >
> > If it is just a cylinder with 4 holes in it (hard to see on my phone),
> it would be simple to buy the right material and use the holes in the metal
> to mark the hole locations in the plastic.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >> On June 8, 2022 at 12:06:56 AM, Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >>
> >> That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.
> >>
> >> Michael McKay
> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?Mike,
> >> >
> >> > Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After
> that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would
> make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon
> composite.
> >> >
> >> > Roger Pihlaja
> >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ?
> >> >>
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> >> >> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a
> broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are
> butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing
> it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
> >> >> Michael McKay
> >> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
>
From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Wed Jun 8 09:15:36 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 13:15:36 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
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Mike,
I replaced my OEM standard roller furler with a Harken Unit 0 about 30 years ago. With the Unit 0, I got all the advantages of independent upper and lower swivels and an aerodynamically shaped headfoil with twin luff grooves. The independent upper and lower swivels enable the use of foam luff pads on the genoa for better furled sail shape over a wider wind speed range. The furling mechanism uses Torlon ball, needle, and roller bearings throughout. The only maintenance required is an occasional freshwater flush on the upper and lower swivels. After 30 years, the thing still spins as freely a bicycle rim! It?s an expensive solution; but, it really is a nice piece of gear.
Roger Pihlaja
S/ dynamic Equilibrium
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
Mike,
The insert doesn?t need to be solid. Just machine a narrow slot in one side of the insert from the surface down to the central bore. Then, you can wedge the slot open with a flat bladed screwdriver while you slide the forestay in. When you remove the screwdriver blade, the slot will close. Once the insert is in place, the ID of the furling extrusion will hold the slot closed.
With modern CNC machine tools, pretty much any shape can be created. The machinist will have the old broken insert to use as a template.
Delrin 150 has tensile, flexural, and compressive moduli of 450,000 psi. It will stretch ~30% before failure. It is both more rigid vs HDPE and sufficiently flexible for this application. It has excellent fatigue strength and is unaffected by water. It has excellent machinability.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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I had the same piece break on my furler and thought it would be easy to get
a new one machined at a shop. Because of its odd shape along with the
groove, it proved to be very difficult for the machinist to replicate.
Ultimately he had to come by my shop and take a bunch of
detailed measurements on the inside of the tube to get the piece to fit
correctly. It was a pain and took a couple weeks to complete. I had asked
him to make it out of more rigid material and he said that wasn't a good
idea as the part needed to flex a bit. He did make it 1" longer on both
ends than the original. It's been a year now with no problems.
Getting the cable routed back through it was pretty straightforward. I
unscrewed the two part block at the top and was able to fit the cable end
through the hole in the center of the new part.
I'm guessing that as hard as it was to machine, that the maker of the
original furler tube had the part injection molded.
Mike Riter
SV Emma B
On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 11:36 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It?s not a simple cylinder. It?s more an irregular oval with a groove in
> one side corresponding to the slot for the luff tape. I?d also have to
> redo the headstay because that runs though the center of it. The whole
> process won?t be trivial.
>
> Might be worth replacing the furling system altogether How do Rhodies
> like the CDI furler?
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Actually Delrin is not a glass fiber reinforced nylon product. It is a
> uniform acetal monopolymer product. It machines nicely but the surface
> finish can look dull.
> >
> > If it is just a cylinder with 4 holes in it (hard to see on my phone),
> it would be simple to buy the right material and use the holes in the metal
> to mark the hole locations in the plastic.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >> On June 8, 2022 at 12:06:56 AM, Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >>
> >> That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.
> >>
> >> Michael McKay
> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?Mike,
> >> >
> >> > Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After
> that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would
> make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon
> composite.
> >> >
> >> > Roger Pihlaja
> >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ?
> >> >>
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> >> >>
> >> >> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a
> broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are
> butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing
> it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
> >> >> Michael McKay
> >> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
>
From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Wed Jun 8 09:31:29 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 09:31:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] furling replacement
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For what it is worth, my very old CDI furler finally fell apart (the drum shattered) and I replaced it with the Shaefer 500 Snap Furler. I had to have the bold replaced as the furler requires one with a small diameter. On the whole I am satisfied with the furler but I really don't have much to compare it to. It is not a high end furler but it is less costly than most of the others and seems to do the job for casual cruising.
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
Mike,
The insert doesn?t need to be solid. Just machine a narrow slot in one side of the insert from the surface down to the central bore. Then, you can wedge the slot open with a flat bladed screwdriver while you slide the forestay in. When you remove the screwdriver blade, the slot will close. Once the insert is in place, the ID of the furling extrusion will hold the slot closed.
With modern CNC machine tools, pretty much any shape can be created. The machinist will have the old broken insert to use as a template.
Delrin 150 has tensile, flexural, and compressive moduli of 450,000 psi. It will stretch ~30% before failure. It is both more rigid vs HDPE and sufficiently flexible for this application. It has excellent fatigue strength and is unaffected by water. It has excellent machinability.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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From: Mike Riter<mailto:mike at traildesign.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 9:53 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
I had the same piece break on my furler and thought it would be easy to get
a new one machined at a shop. Because of its odd shape along with the
groove, it proved to be very difficult for the machinist to replicate.
Ultimately he had to come by my shop and take a bunch of
detailed measurements on the inside of the tube to get the piece to fit
correctly. It was a pain and took a couple weeks to complete. I had asked
him to make it out of more rigid material and he said that wasn't a good
idea as the part needed to flex a bit. He did make it 1" longer on both
ends than the original. It's been a year now with no problems.
Getting the cable routed back through it was pretty straightforward. I
unscrewed the two part block at the top and was able to fit the cable end
through the hole in the center of the new part.
I'm guessing that as hard as it was to machine, that the maker of the
original furler tube had the part injection molded.
Mike Riter
SV Emma B
On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 11:36 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> It?s not a simple cylinder. It?s more an irregular oval with a groove in
> one side corresponding to the slot for the luff tape. I?d also have to
> redo the headstay because that runs though the center of it. The whole
> process won?t be trivial.
>
> Might be worth replacing the furling system altogether How do Rhodies
> like the CDI furler?
>
>
>
> Michael McKay
> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Actually Delrin is not a glass fiber reinforced nylon product. It is a
> uniform acetal monopolymer product. It machines nicely but the surface
> finish can look dull.
> >
> > If it is just a cylinder with 4 holes in it (hard to see on my phone),
> it would be simple to buy the right material and use the holes in the metal
> to mark the hole locations in the plastic.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >> On June 8, 2022 at 12:06:56 AM, Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
> wrote:
> >>
> >> That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.
> >>
> >> Michael McKay
> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ?Mike,
> >> >
> >> > Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After
> that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would
> make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon
> composite.
> >> >
> >> > Roger Pihlaja
> >> > S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >
> >> >> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> ?
> >> >>
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> >> >> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a
> broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are
> butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing
> it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
> >> >> Michael McKay
> >> >> (630) 209-2054 (m)
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 10:10:11 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 10:10:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
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Thanks for the insights Mike.
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:53 AM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> ?I had the same piece break on my furler and thought it would be easy to get
> a new one machined at a shop. Because of its odd shape along with the
> groove, it proved to be very difficult for the machinist to replicate.
> Ultimately he had to come by my shop and take a bunch of
> detailed measurements on the inside of the tube to get the piece to fit
> correctly. It was a pain and took a couple weeks to complete. I had asked
> him to make it out of more rigid material and he said that wasn't a good
> idea as the part needed to flex a bit. He did make it 1" longer on both
> ends than the original. It's been a year now with no problems.
>
> Getting the cable routed back through it was pretty straightforward. I
> unscrewed the two part block at the top and was able to fit the cable end
> through the hole in the center of the new part.
>
> I'm guessing that as hard as it was to machine, that the maker of the
> original furler tube had the part injection molded.
>
> Mike Riter
> SV Emma B
>
>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 11:36 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It?s not a simple cylinder. It?s more an irregular oval with a groove in
>> one side corresponding to the slot for the luff tape. I?d also have to
>> redo the headstay because that runs though the center of it. The whole
>> process won?t be trivial.
>>
>> Might be worth replacing the furling system altogether How do Rhodies
>> like the CDI furler?
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael McKay
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Actually Delrin is not a glass fiber reinforced nylon product. It is a
>> uniform acetal monopolymer product. It machines nicely but the surface
>> finish can look dull.
>>>
>>> If it is just a cylinder with 4 holes in it (hard to see on my phone),
>> it would be simple to buy the right material and use the holes in the metal
>> to mark the hole locations in the plastic.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>> On June 8, 2022 at 12:06:56 AM, Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Michael McKay
>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After
>> that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would
>> make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon
>> composite.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a
>> broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are
>> butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing
>> it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
>>>>>> Michael McKay
>>>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 10:12:21 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 10:12:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
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Thanks Roger. It?s too bad that Stan seems to be out of commission at the moment since I?m sure he could write a book on the subject.
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 6, 2022, at 9:27 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>
> ?Mike,
>
> I think the centerboard has a metal skeleton inside of it. My centerboard was molded in 2 halves, which were glued to the metal skeleton. In addition, I think there is some lead shot for ballast that is glued inside. The impact that produced the gaping hole on your centerboard may have dislodged some of this lead shot.
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2022, at 2:49 PM, mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> ?Thanks Graham.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
>> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 2:07 PM
>> To: 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
>>
>> Mike:
>> I had to do some major repair on my keel which developed very large cracks al along the bottom. Flakes of metal that I assume were lead were leaking out. I assume that this was added for ballast. I also repaired my centre boad and found solid lead at the tip. I have the original centerboard.
>> I didn't try replacing the lead from the keel. I did find gowever that both the keel and the centerboard had substantial voids in them which I attempted to fill with epoxy. Water getting into the core and freezing was the likely culprit causing the cracks.
>>
>> I was able to fix it all and I am no expert.
>>
>> Graham Stewart
>> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
>> Kingston Ontario
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
>> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 12:07 PM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
>>
>> Ouch! I wonder if there was a void there that contributed to the damage.
>> I?ve never delt with that bad of damage to the CB. I suspect it won?t be a
>> complicated fix when all is said and done. Good luck and take a few
>> ?during? and ?after? photos.
>>
>> Chris Geankoplis
>> ENOSIS
>>
>>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 10:21 AM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> The saga of my centerboard continues. After removing it we found that the
>>> damage is quite extensive as can be seen from the attached pictures. My
>>> boat mechanic is very good with fiberglass, but I would greatly appreciate
>>> any suggestions that you have regarding how to approach this repair.
>>>
>>> We noticed that there appears to be tiny bits of metal embedded in the
>>> resin
>>> at the leading edge of the centerboard, possibly lead shot? I am guessing
>>> that might have been an attempt to increase the weight of the centerboard,
>>> but there did not seem to be enough to make much difference. Any thoughts
>>> on that?
>>>
>>> I reached out to Stan directly about the centerboard but haven't heard back
>>> in over a week. Has anyone heard from him recently? My last email from
>>> him
>>> was on May 1st.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Mike McKay
>>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>>> Allatoona Lake
>>> Acworth, GA
>>>
>>>
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>>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220606%2Fb6d07e14%2Fattachment.jpg&data=05%7C01%7C%7C5d2a8e6b957a44e37d1908da47ed3be7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637901381531749261%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=0%2B33oe8oY8MGX84i19PrMsyv0AgEx9IrI1KBpUI3xC4%3D&reserved=0
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>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 10:13:11 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 10:13:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
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Thanks Graham
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 6, 2022, at 2:07 PM, Graham Stewart <gstewart8 at cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
> ?Mike:
> I had to do some major repair on my keel which developed very large cracks al along the bottom. Flakes of metal that I assume were lead were leaking out. I assume that this was added for ballast. I also repaired my centre boad and found solid lead at the tip. I have the original centerboard.
> I didn't try replacing the lead from the keel. I did find gowever that both the keel and the centerboard had substantial voids in them which I attempted to fill with epoxy. Water getting into the core and freezing was the likely culprit causing the cracks.
>
> I was able to fix it all and I am no expert.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Chris Geankoplis
> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 12:07 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Need advice on repairing centerboard
>
> Ouch! I wonder if there was a void there that contributed to the damage.
> I?ve never delt with that bad of damage to the CB. I suspect it won?t be a
> complicated fix when all is said and done. Good luck and take a few
> ?during? and ?after? photos.
>
> Chris Geankoplis
> ENOSIS
>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 10:21 AM <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> The saga of my centerboard continues. After removing it we found that the
>> damage is quite extensive as can be seen from the attached pictures. My
>> boat mechanic is very good with fiberglass, but I would greatly appreciate
>> any suggestions that you have regarding how to approach this repair.
>>
>> We noticed that there appears to be tiny bits of metal embedded in the
>> resin
>> at the leading edge of the centerboard, possibly lead shot? I am guessing
>> that might have been an attempt to increase the weight of the centerboard,
>> but there did not seem to be enough to make much difference. Any thoughts
>> on that?
>>
>> I reached out to Stan directly about the centerboard but haven't heard back
>> in over a week. Has anyone heard from him recently? My last email from
>> him
>> was on May 1st.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mike McKay
>> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
>> Allatoona Lake
>> Acworth, GA
>>
>>
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>>>
>>
>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 11:37:13 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 11:37:13 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
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Mike, was your replacement made out of HDPE?
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:53 AM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> ?I had the same piece break on my furler and thought it would be easy to get
> a new one machined at a shop. Because of its odd shape along with the
> groove, it proved to be very difficult for the machinist to replicate.
> Ultimately he had to come by my shop and take a bunch of
> detailed measurements on the inside of the tube to get the piece to fit
> correctly. It was a pain and took a couple weeks to complete. I had asked
> him to make it out of more rigid material and he said that wasn't a good
> idea as the part needed to flex a bit. He did make it 1" longer on both
> ends than the original. It's been a year now with no problems.
>
> Getting the cable routed back through it was pretty straightforward. I
> unscrewed the two part block at the top and was able to fit the cable end
> through the hole in the center of the new part.
>
> I'm guessing that as hard as it was to machine, that the maker of the
> original furler tube had the part injection molded.
>
> Mike Riter
> SV Emma B
>
>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 11:36 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It?s not a simple cylinder. It?s more an irregular oval with a groove in
>> one side corresponding to the slot for the luff tape. I?d also have to
>> redo the headstay because that runs though the center of it. The whole
>> process won?t be trivial.
>>
>> Might be worth replacing the furling system altogether How do Rhodies
>> like the CDI furler?
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael McKay
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Actually Delrin is not a glass fiber reinforced nylon product. It is a
>> uniform acetal monopolymer product. It machines nicely but the surface
>> finish can look dull.
>>>
>>> If it is just a cylinder with 4 holes in it (hard to see on my phone),
>> it would be simple to buy the right material and use the holes in the metal
>> to mark the hole locations in the plastic.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>> On June 8, 2022 at 12:06:56 AM, Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Michael McKay
>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After
>> that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would
>> make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon
>> composite.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
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>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a
>> broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are
>> butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing
>> it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
>>>>>> Michael McKay
>>>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 12:09:30 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 12:09:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
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Do you recall what it cost?
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:53 AM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:
>
> ?I had the same piece break on my furler and thought it would be easy to get
> a new one machined at a shop. Because of its odd shape along with the
> groove, it proved to be very difficult for the machinist to replicate.
> Ultimately he had to come by my shop and take a bunch of
> detailed measurements on the inside of the tube to get the piece to fit
> correctly. It was a pain and took a couple weeks to complete. I had asked
> him to make it out of more rigid material and he said that wasn't a good
> idea as the part needed to flex a bit. He did make it 1" longer on both
> ends than the original. It's been a year now with no problems.
>
> Getting the cable routed back through it was pretty straightforward. I
> unscrewed the two part block at the top and was able to fit the cable end
> through the hole in the center of the new part.
>
> I'm guessing that as hard as it was to machine, that the maker of the
> original furler tube had the part injection molded.
>
> Mike Riter
> SV Emma B
>
>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 11:36 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It?s not a simple cylinder. It?s more an irregular oval with a groove in
>> one side corresponding to the slot for the luff tape. I?d also have to
>> redo the headstay because that runs though the center of it. The whole
>> process won?t be trivial.
>>
>> Might be worth replacing the furling system altogether How do Rhodies
>> like the CDI furler?
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael McKay
>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?
>>> Actually Delrin is not a glass fiber reinforced nylon product. It is a
>> uniform acetal monopolymer product. It machines nicely but the surface
>> finish can look dull.
>>>
>>> If it is just a cylinder with 4 holes in it (hard to see on my phone),
>> it would be simple to buy the right material and use the holes in the metal
>> to mark the hole locations in the plastic.
>>>
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>> On June 8, 2022 at 12:06:56 AM, Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Michael McKay
>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After
>> that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would
>> make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon
>> composite.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Pihlaja
>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?
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>>>>>> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a
>> broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are
>> butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing
>> it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?
>>>>>> Michael McKay
>>>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 13:23:08 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2022 13:23:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil
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Mike,Respite has the CDI Flex Furler2. When I took her out rhe first few times the furler was rery difficult to operate. I thoughti was doing something wrong. I inquired with Stan who told me? that it was probably in need of cleaning. I called CDI and Joel talked me through disassembly of the furling cup. Didn't need? to lower the stay. Turns out the bearing cup was corroded (due to poor maintenance)? he shipped me a new bearing, cup and bearings. I was up and running the day after that arrived. CDI is very helpful and easy to work with.? Hint: Good maintenance is worthwhile! Really difficult. Hose down with fresh water after each use!Here's their contact info/website:www.sailcdi.com?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> Date: 6/8/22 10:10 AM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Furling foil Thanks for the insights Mike. Michael McKay(630) 209-2054 (m)Sent from my iPhone> On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:53 AM, Mike Riter <mike at traildesign.com> wrote:> > ?I had the same piece break on my furler and thought it would be easy to get> a new one machined at a shop. Because of its odd shape along with the> groove, it proved to be very difficult for the machinist to replicate.> Ultimately he had to come by my shop and take? a bunch of> detailed measurements on the inside of the tube to get the piece to fit> correctly. It was a pain and took a couple weeks to complete. I had asked> him to make it out of more rigid material and he said that wasn't a good> idea as the part needed to flex a bit. He did make it 1" longer on both> ends than the original. It's been a year now with no problems.> > Getting the cable routed back through it was pretty straightforward. I> unscrewed the two part block at the top and was able to fit the cable end> through the hole in the center of the new part.> > I'm guessing that as hard as it was to machine, that the maker of the> original furler tube had the part injection molded.> > Mike Riter> SV Emma B> > >> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 11:36 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:>> >> It?s not a simple cylinder. It?s more an irregular oval with a groove in>> one side corresponding to the slot for the luff tape.? I?d also have to>> redo the headstay because that runs though the center of it. The whole>> process? won?t be trivial.>> >> Might be worth replacing the furling system altogether? How do Rhodies>> like the CDI furler?>> >> >> >> Michael McKay>> (630) 209-2054 (m)>> >> Sent from my iPhone>> >>>> On Jun 8, 2022, at 12:19 AM, Ken Simolo <kensimolo at gmail.com> wrote:>>> >>> ?>>> Actually Delrin is not a glass fiber reinforced nylon product.? It is a>> uniform acetal monopolymer product.? It machines nicely but the surface>> finish can look dull.>>> >>> If it is just a cylinder with 4 holes in it (hard to see on my phone),>> it would be simple to buy the right material and use the holes in the metal>> to mark the hole locations in the plastic.>>> >>> Ken>>> >>> >>>> On June 8, 2022 at 12:06:56 AM, Michael McKay (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)>> wrote:>>>> >>>> That?s a good idea Roger?thanks.>>>> >>>> Michael McKay>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)>>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone>>>> >>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 8:46 PM, ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com>>> wrote:>>>>> >>>>> ?Mike,>>>>> >>>>> Can you pull out the two halves from the aluminum extrusion? After>> that, maybe there is a local machine shop to make you a new insert? I would>> make the new insert out of delrin, which is a glass fiber reinforced nylon>> composite.>>>>> >>>>> Roger Pihlaja>>>>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium>>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 5:09 PM, Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>>> >>>>>> ?>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------->>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...>>>>>> Name: IMG_0832.JPG>>>>>> Type: image/jpeg>>>>>> Size: 1927499 bytes>>>>>> Desc: not available>>>>>> URL: <>> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220607%2Fa76356d3%2Fattachment.jpe&data=05%7C01%7C%7C74164e2c47744e19d04408da48ca1206%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637902329974666789%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=j25VSJGtizEKaSvEvTfwC0fyo83DCgTxDsTbmmd%2B7vY%3D&reserved=0>>> >>>>>> -------------- next part -------------->>>>>> >>>>>> As can be seen in the picture, my General Boats furling foil has a>> broken joining HDPE connector. It?s been working fine when the pieces are>> butted up to each other, but it does give me some concern. However, fixing>> it requires skills I don?t have. Any suggestions?>>>>>> Michael McKay>>>>>> (630) 209-2054 (m)>>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone>>
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From lscott02 at roadrunner.com Wed Jun 8 14:17:36 2022
From: lscott02 at roadrunner.com (Linda Scott)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 14:17:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Foam Decking?
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Bob,
I installed EVA foam material to the cockpit floor of our 2010 Rhodes 22. It?s 3 mm thick, with an adhesive backing, 28 5/8? wide x 54 3/8? long?custom cut by the manufacturer. That covers the existing textured area in the fiberglass of the floor. I provided templates to the manufacturer, SeaDek, for the floor and for the seats. They should still have the drawings, dated 3-29-2011. We did not order foam for the seats, which would have been 20 mmm thick.
We really like it for the padding it provides when we?re kneeling on the floor and for the extra traction when the boat heels.
If there is a downside to the product it?s that dirt really clings to the pad. But the product is still in excellent shape. If it ever wears out, I?ll order it again.
Steve.
Granville, OH
From: Bob Garrant
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 10:34 PM
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Foam Decking?
Has anybody installed foam decking on their Rhodes?
I would like to install it on my Cockpit Floor, Benches and Gunnels.
Thanks,
Bob Garrant
s/v Sail la Vie
Kent Island, MD
From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Wed Jun 8 19:35:47 2022
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 23:35:47 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
Message-ID: <d669eel62r6gceph0aiqkf78.1654731343509@dartmouth.edu>
'84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.
Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).
But does this look familiar to anyone?
Thanks, Bob
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From: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: June 19, 2015 9:21 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
Jack, I just slid the shaft from the golf club into the tube adjacent to the pennant. The narrow diameter end of the shaft will fit, and when you "feel" an obstruction - it's the raised center board. Then, I applied a little force with a hammer on the other end of the shaft. When I removed the shaft the center board lowered. As stated by others, it's a good idea to raise and lower the center board routinely. Regards, Dan
---- The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
> Dan -
> I'm wrestling with a stuck cb too. Does your use of the golf club shaft
> mean that you no longer have a usable centerboard pennant? If you do still
> have one, how did you manage to get the shaft down through that tube
> alongside the pennant (control line)?
>
> Jack Chirch
> Gloucester, Va
>
> Jack Chirch
> S/V Pax
> Gloucester, VA
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:23 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Bob, solved the problem this afternoon with a shaft from an old
> > golf club. Inserted the shaft into the opening for the control line and
> > applied a little force from a hammer and the center board released and is
> > now fully deployed. Now going sailing.
> > ---- The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
> > > Dan: get the boat on a trailer or lift out on jacks and remove the
> > centerboard cap. Refer to numerous archives on this handy (though
> > potentially troublesome) little feature.
> > > Sounds like barnacles or tangled CB pennant etc.
> > >
> > > Bob (palatka)
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From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Wed Jun 8 20:05:45 2022
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 00:05:45 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
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Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!
Bob
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester
Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
'84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.
Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).
But does this look familiar to anyone?
Thanks, Bob
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From: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Sent: June 19, 2015 9:21 AM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
Jack, I just slid the shaft from the golf club into the tube adjacent to the pennant. The narrow diameter end of the shaft will fit, and when you "feel" an obstruction - it's the raised center board. Then, I applied a little force with a hammer on the other end of the shaft. When I removed the shaft the center board lowered. As stated by others, it's a good idea to raise and lower the center board routinely. Regards, Dan
---- The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
> Dan -
> I'm wrestling with a stuck cb too. Does your use of the golf club
> shaft mean that you no longer have a usable centerboard pennant? If
> you do still have one, how did you manage to get the shaft down
> through that tube alongside the pennant (control line)?
>
> Jack Chirch
> Gloucester, Va
>
> Jack Chirch
> S/V Pax
> Gloucester, VA
>
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:23 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Bob, solved the problem this afternoon with a shaft from an
> > old golf club. Inserted the shaft into the opening for the control
> > line and applied a little force from a hammer and the center board
> > released and is now fully deployed. Now going sailing.
> > ---- The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
> > > Dan: get the boat on a trailer or lift out on jacks and remove
> > > the
> > centerboard cap. Refer to numerous archives on this handy (though
> > potentially troublesome) little feature.
> > > Sounds like barnacles or tangled CB pennant etc.
> > >
> > > Bob (palatka)
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From john_carlson at mac.com Wed Jun 8 21:15:54 2022
From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2022 20:15:54 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
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Wow, that looks so different from my boat! I have had the "stuck" problem before and am actually writing up a description of the larger project. But, let me ask, is the boat in the water or on the trailer?
--
John Carlson
Lillipelli (2004/2012)
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 7:05 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>
> '84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.
> Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).
> But does this look familiar to anyone?
>
> Thanks, Bob
>
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> Sent: June 19, 2015 9:21 AM
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>
> Jack, I just slid the shaft from the golf club into the tube adjacent to the pennant. The narrow diameter end of the shaft will fit, and when you "feel" an obstruction - it's the raised center board. Then, I applied a little force with a hammer on the other end of the shaft. When I removed the shaft the center board lowered. As stated by others, it's a good idea to raise and lower the center board routinely. Regards, Dan
> ---- The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>> Dan -
>> I'm wrestling with a stuck cb too. Does your use of the golf club
>> shaft mean that you no longer have a usable centerboard pennant? If
>> you do still have one, how did you manage to get the shaft down
>> through that tube alongside the pennant (control line)?
>>
>> Jack Chirch
>> Gloucester, Va
>>
>> Jack Chirch
>> S/V Pax
>> Gloucester, VA
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:23 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bob, solved the problem this afternoon with a shaft from an
>>> old golf club. Inserted the shaft into the opening for the control
>>> line and applied a little force from a hammer and the center board
>>> released and is now fully deployed. Now going sailing.
>>> ---- The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>>>> Dan: get the boat on a trailer or lift out on jacks and remove
>>>> the
>>> centerboard cap. Refer to numerous archives on this handy (though
>>> potentially troublesome) little feature.
>>>> Sounds like barnacles or tangled CB pennant etc.
>>>>
>>>> Bob (palatka)
>>>> __________________________________________________
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From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Wed Jun 8 22:15:46 2022
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 02:15:46 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
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In the water at the slip.
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
Wow, that looks so different from my boat! I have had the "stuck" problem before and am actually writing up a description of the larger project. But, let me ask, is the boat in the water or on the trailer?
--
John Carlson
Lillipelli (2004/2012)
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 7:05 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>
> '84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.
> Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).
> But does this look familiar to anyone?
>
> Thanks, Bob
>
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>
> Jack, I just slid the shaft from the golf club into the tube adjacent to the pennant. The narrow diameter end of the shaft will fit, and when you "feel" an obstruction - it's the raised center board. Then, I applied a little force with a hammer on the other end of the shaft. When I removed the shaft the center board lowered. As stated by others, it's a good idea to raise and lower the center board routinely. Regards, Dan
> ---- The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>> Dan -
>> I'm wrestling with a stuck cb too. Does your use of the golf club
>> shaft mean that you no longer have a usable centerboard pennant? If
>> you do still have one, how did you manage to get the shaft down
>> through that tube alongside the pennant (control line)?
>>
>> Jack Chirch
>> Gloucester, Va
>>
>> Jack Chirch
>> S/V Pax
>> Gloucester, VA
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:23 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bob, solved the problem this afternoon with a shaft from an
>>> old golf club. Inserted the shaft into the opening for the control
>>> line and applied a little force from a hammer and the center board
>>> released and is now fully deployed. Now going sailing.
>>> ---- The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>>>> Dan: get the boat on a trailer or lift out on jacks and remove
>>>> the
>>> centerboard cap. Refer to numerous archives on this handy (though
>>> potentially troublesome) little feature.
>>>> Sounds like barnacles or tangled CB pennant etc.
>>>>
>>>> Bob (palatka)
>>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe go to
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From melrothbard at yahoo.com Wed Jun 8 23:18:27 2022
From: melrothbard at yahoo.com (Melvyn Rothbard)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 03:18:27 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
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Looks familiar to me.? My board froze at the end of last year and I have not been able to free it upMel Rothbard
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:15 PM, C. Robert Lester<C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote: In the water at the slip.
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Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
Wow, that looks so different from my boat! I have had the "stuck" problem before and am actually writing up a description of the larger project. But, let me ask, is the boat in the water or on the trailer?
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John Carlson
Lillipelli (2004/2012)
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 7:05 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!
>
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester
> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>
> '84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.
> Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).
> But does this look familiar to anyone?
>
> Thanks, Bob
>
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> Sent: June 19, 2015 9:21 AM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
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> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>
> Jack, I just slid the shaft from the golf club into the tube adjacent to the pennant. The narrow diameter end of the shaft will fit, and when you "feel" an obstruction - it's the raised center board. Then, I applied a little force with a hammer on the other end of the shaft. When I removed the shaft the center board lowered. As stated by others, it's a good idea to raise and lower the center board routinely. Regards, Dan
> ---- The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>> Dan -
>> I'm wrestling with a stuck cb too. Does your use of the golf club
>> shaft mean that you no longer have a usable centerboard pennant? If
>> you do still have one, how did you manage to get the shaft down
>> through that tube alongside the pennant (control line)?
>>
>> Jack Chirch
>> Gloucester, Va
>>
>> Jack Chirch
>> S/V Pax
>> Gloucester, VA
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:23 PM, The Rhodes 22 Email List <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Bob, solved the problem this afternoon with a shaft from an
>>> old golf club. Inserted the shaft into the opening for the control
>>> line and applied a little force from a hammer and the center board
>>> released and is now fully deployed. Now going sailing.
>>> ---- The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> wrote:
>>>> Dan: get the boat on a trailer or lift out on jacks and remove
>>>> the
>>> centerboard cap. Refer to numerous archives on this handy (though
>>> potentially troublesome) little feature.
>>>> Sounds like barnacles or tangled CB pennant etc.
>>>>
>>>> Bob (palatka)
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Okay, mine was on the trailer. Long story short: I took the centerboard cap/lid/hood off to gain more direct access. However, you cannot do this on the water, since -- as I understand it -- the top of the centerboard trunk is below the waterline.
--
John Carlson
S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
Lake Waco, Texas
> On Jun 8, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Looks familiar to me. My board froze at the end of last year and I have not been able to free it up
> Mel Rothbard
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:15 PM, C. Robert Lester
> <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:
> In the water at the slip.
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
> From: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Sent: June 8, 2022 9:16 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Reply-to: john_carlson at mac.com <mailto:john_carlson at mac.com>; rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>
> Wow, that looks so different from my boat! I have had the "stuck" problem before and am actually writing up a description of the larger project. But, let me ask, is the boat in the water or on the trailer?
>
> --
> John Carlson
> Lillipelli (2004/2012)
>
> > On Jun 8, 2022, at 7:05 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:
> >
> > Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>>> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM
> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>
> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
> >
> > '84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.
> > Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).
> > But does this look familiar to anyone?
> >
> > Thanks, Bob
> >
> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device
>
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 08:13:34 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2022 08:13:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
In-Reply-To: <F0BBAC49-50E1-440D-AF95-130FD5022B9E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <62a1e412.1c69fb81.a2fb0.e208@mx.google.com>
Although I did not have CB problems,? the trunk was leaking and I had to replace CB gasket. I did this while on the trailer. CB is accessable once cap and gasket are removed. I remember seeing a post on replacing the CB pivot pin. Removing the CB can certainly be done but I'll bet it's a pain in the ass.?TIP: When raising CB, haul to top and back off about 1-2 inches before cleating it off.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/8/22 11:40 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck. Okay, mine was on the trailer. Long story short: I took the centerboard cap/lid/hood off to gain more direct access. However, you cannot do this on the water, since -- as I understand it -- the top of the centerboard trunk is below the waterline.--John CarlsonS/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)Lake Waco, Texas> On Jun 8, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com> wrote:> > Looks familiar to me.? My board froze at the end of last year and I have not been able to free it up> Mel Rothbard> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://go.onelink.me/107872968?pid=InProduct&c=Global_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers&af_wl=ym&af_sub1=Internal&af_sub2=Global_YGrowth&af_sub3=EmailSignature>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:15 PM, C. Robert Lester> <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:> In the water at the slip.> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device> From: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Sent: June 8, 2022 9:16 PM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Reply-to: john_carlson at mac.com <mailto:john_carlson at mac.com>; rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> > Wow, that looks so different from my boat! I have had the "stuck" problem before and am actually writing up a description of the larger project. But, let me ask, is the boat in the water or on the trailer?> > --> John Carlson> Lillipelli (2004/2012)> > > On Jun 8, 2022, at 7:05 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:> >> > Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!> >> > Bob> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>>> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester> > Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> >> > '84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.> > Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).> > But does this look familiar to anyone?> >> > Thanks, Bob> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device>
From john_carlson at mac.com Thu Jun 9 12:42:57 2022
From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 11:42:57 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my diamond
board
Message-ID: <942CA2D0-43C9-4C5A-A8BA-DAAA11307CD1@mac.com>
Way back in April, 2019 I requested help from the list on trouble I was having with my diamond board. I received a lot of great feedback and promised to share details. This was one part of a larger project that kept the boat out of the water for a couple of years. I took pictures along the way and have written up a short report on the centerboard and interior work:
http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf <http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf>
There are lots of pictures -- maybe too many. Please consider this "version 1". I'm sure that there are errors and omissions, which I'll try to fix as they surface. I just wanted to put it into the Rhodiesphere quickly, given the list members struggling with centerboards now. The boat is very obviously in my driveway, but I just realized I should add a disclaimer to not attempt what I did with the boat in the water (unless you fancy owning a Rhodes submarine).
John.
--
John Carlson
S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
Lake Waco, Texas
From jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 13:34:31 2022
From: jesse.laten.shumaker at gmail.com (Jesse Shumaker)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 12:34:31 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
diamond board
In-Reply-To: <942CA2D0-43C9-4C5A-A8BA-DAAA11307CD1@mac.com>
References: <942CA2D0-43C9-4C5A-A8BA-DAAA11307CD1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CAMc-3foH2xk+YdPrnN6iqJWCPE6QY-wr0M0BThiiCEa8qSQw1g@mail.gmail.com>
Wow, great work on both the repair and documentation. Thanks for sharing
John!
Jesse Shumaker
S/V Zephyr
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:43 AM John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> Way back in April, 2019 I requested help from the list on trouble I was
> having with my diamond board. I received a lot of great feedback and
> promised to share details. This was one part of a larger project that kept
> the boat out of the water for a couple of years. I took pictures along the
> way and have written up a short report on the centerboard and interior work:
>
> http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf <
> http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf>
>
> There are lots of pictures -- maybe too many. Please consider this
> "version 1". I'm sure that there are errors and omissions, which I'll try
> to fix as they surface. I just wanted to put it into the Rhodiesphere
> quickly, given the list members struggling with centerboards now. The boat
> is very obviously in my driveway, but I just realized I should add a
> disclaimer to not attempt what I did with the boat in the water (unless you
> fancy owning a Rhodes submarine).
>
> John.
>
> --
> John Carlson
> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
> Lake Waco, Texas
>
>
From chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 13:35:12 2022
From: chrisgeankoplis at gmail.com (Chris Geankoplis)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 13:35:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
diamond board
In-Reply-To: <942CA2D0-43C9-4C5A-A8BA-DAAA11307CD1@mac.com>
References: <942CA2D0-43C9-4C5A-A8BA-DAAA11307CD1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CADNTwiWjNZ22rQsqoCD4vcz15aKHcZVKdir9EyVtifiusdb2qw@mail.gmail.com>
A most excellent adventure in problem solving. Well written, illustrated
and informative. It goes in my personal archives. Thanks
Chris Geankoplis
ENOSIS
On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 12:43 PM John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> Way back in April, 2019 I requested help from the list on trouble I was
> having with my diamond board. I received a lot of great feedback and
> promised to share details. This was one part of a larger project that kept
> the boat out of the water for a couple of years. I took pictures along the
> way and have written up a short report on the centerboard and interior work:
>
> http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf <
> http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf>
>
> There are lots of pictures -- maybe too many. Please consider this
> "version 1". I'm sure that there are errors and omissions, which I'll try
> to fix as they surface. I just wanted to put it into the Rhodiesphere
> quickly, given the list members struggling with centerboards now. The boat
> is very obviously in my driveway, but I just realized I should add a
> disclaimer to not attempt what I did with the boat in the water (unless you
> fancy owning a Rhodes submarine).
>
> John.
>
> --
> John Carlson
> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
> Lake Waco, Texas
>
>
From gstewart8 at cogeco.ca Thu Jun 9 14:21:08 2022
From: gstewart8 at cogeco.ca (Graham Stewart)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2022 14:21:08 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
diamond board
In-Reply-To: <942CA2D0-43C9-4C5A-A8BA-DAAA11307CD1@mac.com>
References: <942CA2D0-43C9-4C5A-A8BA-DAAA11307CD1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <035601d87c2d$b0ca2540$125e6fc0$@ca>
Great write up!
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
John Carlson via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 12:43 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my diamond
board
Way back in April, 2019 I requested help from the list on trouble I was
having with my diamond board. I received a lot of great feedback and
promised to share details. This was one part of a larger project that kept
the boat out of the water for a couple of years. I took pictures along the
way and have written up a short report on the centerboard and interior work:
http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf
<http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf>
There are lots of pictures -- maybe too many. Please consider this "version
1". I'm sure that there are errors and omissions, which I'll try to fix as
they surface. I just wanted to put it into the Rhodiesphere quickly, given
the list members struggling with centerboards now. The boat is very
obviously in my driveway, but I just realized I should add a disclaimer to
not attempt what I did with the boat in the water (unless you fancy owning a
Rhodes submarine).
John.
--
John Carlson
S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
Lake Waco, Texas
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 10:20:54 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 10:20:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamondboard Conversion
Message-ID: <019101d87cd5$50f0db70$f2d29250$@gmail.com>
Just out of curiosity:
1. How much difference is the Rhodes' performance with the Diamondboard
keel?
2. Has anyone ever converted from the original to the Diamondboard?
3. If so, is it simply a matter of unpinning the original and replacing
with the DB or does this require a different pin
and pin location?
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham
Stewart
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 2:21 PM
To: 'John Carlson' <john_carlson at mac.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
<rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
diamond board
Great write up!
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of
John Carlson via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 12:43 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my diamond
board
Way back in April, 2019 I requested help from the list on trouble I was
having with my diamond board. I received a lot of great feedback and
promised to share details. This was one part of a larger project that kept
the boat out of the water for a couple of years. I took pictures along the
way and have written up a short report on the centerboard and interior work:
http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf
<http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf>
There are lots of pictures -- maybe too many. Please consider this "version
1". I'm sure that there are errors and omissions, which I'll try to fix as
they surface. I just wanted to put it into the Rhodiesphere quickly, given
the list members struggling with centerboards now. The boat is very
obviously in my driveway, but I just realized I should add a disclaimer to
not attempt what I did with the boat in the water (unless you fancy owning a
Rhodes submarine).
John.
--
John Carlson
S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
Lake Waco, Texas
From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 10:44:06 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 10:44:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamondboard Conversion
In-Reply-To: <019101d87cd5$50f0db70$f2d29250$@gmail.com>
References: <019101d87cd5$50f0db70$f2d29250$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEnVJzCK7z_CfbtBDDDdcp9GuDX9_yY6-ZjmJFPw_9Rpmw@mail.gmail.com>
I have had both and can't tell the difference in performance, but it's
hard to compare unless you were sailing two boats in the same conditions
and adjustments.
The diamondboard is easier to raise and lower but even that may be because
it's had less use.
Lee
1999 Rhodes22. AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022, 10:21 AM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity:
> 1. How much difference is the Rhodes' performance with the Diamondboard
> keel?
> 2. Has anyone ever converted from the original to the Diamondboard?
> 3. If so, is it simply a matter of unpinning the original and replacing
> with the DB or does this require a different pin
> and pin location?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Graham
> Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 2:21 PM
> To: 'John Carlson' <john_carlson at mac.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
> diamond board
>
> Great write up!
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> John Carlson via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 12:43 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
> diamond
> board
>
> Way back in April, 2019 I requested help from the list on trouble I was
> having with my diamond board. I received a lot of great feedback and
> promised to share details. This was one part of a larger project that kept
> the boat out of the water for a couple of years. I took pictures along the
> way and have written up a short report on the centerboard and interior
> work:
>
> http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf
> <http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf>
>
> There are lots of pictures -- maybe too many. Please consider this "version
> 1". I'm sure that there are errors and omissions, which I'll try to fix as
> they surface. I just wanted to put it into the Rhodiesphere quickly, given
> the list members struggling with centerboards now. The boat is very
> obviously in my driveway, but I just realized I should add a disclaimer to
> not attempt what I did with the boat in the water (unless you fancy owning
> a
> Rhodes submarine).
>
> John.
>
> --
> John Carlson
> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
> Lake Waco, Texas
>
>
>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 12:29:32 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:29:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
diamond board
In-Reply-To: <942CA2D0-43C9-4C5A-A8BA-DAAA11307CD1@mac.com>
References: <942CA2D0-43C9-4C5A-A8BA-DAAA11307CD1@mac.com>
Message-ID: <143501d87ce7$43f68a70$cbe39f50$@gmail.com>
John, when I try to access the PDF I get the message " This site can't be
reached". Could you please forward a copy of the report to me directly?
Thanks,
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of John
Carlson via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 12:43 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my diamond
board
Way back in April, 2019 I requested help from the list on trouble I was
having with my diamond board. I received a lot of great feedback and
promised to share details. This was one part of a larger project that kept
the boat out of the water for a couple of years. I took pictures along the
way and have written up a short report on the centerboard and interior work:
http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf
<http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf>
There are lots of pictures -- maybe too many. Please consider this "version
1". I'm sure that there are errors and omissions, which I'll try to fix as
they surface. I just wanted to put it into the Rhodiesphere quickly, given
the list members struggling with centerboards now. The boat is very
obviously in my driveway, but I just realized I should add a disclaimer to
not attempt what I did with the boat in the water (unless you fancy owning a
Rhodes submarine).
John.
--
John Carlson
S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
Lake Waco, Texas
From john_carlson at mac.com Fri Jun 10 13:13:33 2022
From: john_carlson at mac.com (John Carlson)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:13:33 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
diamond board
In-Reply-To: <143501d87ce7$43f68a70$cbe39f50$@gmail.com>
References: <942CA2D0-43C9-4C5A-A8BA-DAAA11307CD1@mac.com>
<143501d87ce7$43f68a70$cbe39f50$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6090BFC-0C0C-49B9-9B5D-E4ECBEAD49B7@mac.com>
Okay, my hosting provider is experiencing an outage. Perhaps the overwhelming demand for this report has brought machighway to their knees!
If it doesn't clear up in a couple of hours, I'll move to another server. Sorry. It's a bit over 9MB, so I am hesitant to try to post it to the list.
> On Jun 10, 2022, at 11:29 AM, <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> John, when I try to access the PDF I get the message " This site can't be
> reached". Could you please forward a copy of the report to me directly?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike McKay
> s/v Liber (2006/2018)
> Allatoona Lake
> Acworth, GA
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of John
> Carlson via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 12:43 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my diamond
> board
>
> Way back in April, 2019 I requested help from the list on trouble I was
> having with my diamond board. I received a lot of great feedback and
> promised to share details. This was one part of a larger project that kept
> the boat out of the water for a couple of years. I took pictures along the
> way and have written up a short report on the centerboard and interior work:
>
> http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf
> <http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf>
>
> There are lots of pictures -- maybe too many. Please consider this "version
> 1". I'm sure that there are errors and omissions, which I'll try to fix as
> they surface. I just wanted to put it into the Rhodiesphere quickly, given
> the list members struggling with centerboards now. The boat is very
> obviously in my driveway, but I just realized I should add a disclaimer to
> not attempt what I did with the boat in the water (unless you fancy owning a
> Rhodes submarine).
>
> John.
>
> --
> John Carlson
> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
> Lake Waco, Texas
>
>
From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 13:33:36 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 13:33:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamondboard Conversion
In-Reply-To: <019101d87cd5$50f0db70$f2d29250$@gmail.com>
References: <019101d87cd5$50f0db70$f2d29250$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABkv36YB1w+e=O3t_63KbAh=NHE5gkjVW1hasRvJofexPWF3ug@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Joe,
The diamond board goes along with the IMF main and genoa rig. It adjusts
the center of force for better balance and stability but sacrifices upwind
pointing. If you have the earlier standard rig, the centerboard gives
better balance and pointing upwind.
Regards,
Rick Lange
On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Just out of curiosity:
> 1. How much difference is the Rhodes' performance with the Diamondboard
> keel?
> 2. Has anyone ever converted from the original to the Diamondboard?
> 3. If so, is it simply a matter of unpinning the original and replacing
> with the DB or does this require a different pin
> and pin location?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Graham
> Stewart
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 2:21 PM
> To: 'John Carlson' <john_carlson at mac.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'
> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
> diamond board
>
> Great write up!
>
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of
> John Carlson via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 12:43 PM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
> diamond
> board
>
> Way back in April, 2019 I requested help from the list on trouble I was
> having with my diamond board. I received a lot of great feedback and
> promised to share details. This was one part of a larger project that kept
> the boat out of the water for a couple of years. I took pictures along the
> way and have written up a short report on the centerboard and interior
> work:
>
> http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf
> <http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf>
>
> There are lots of pictures -- maybe too many. Please consider this "version
> 1". I'm sure that there are errors and omissions, which I'll try to fix as
> they surface. I just wanted to put it into the Rhodiesphere quickly, given
> the list members struggling with centerboards now. The boat is very
> obviously in my driveway, but I just realized I should add a disclaimer to
> not attempt what I did with the boat in the water (unless you fancy owning
> a
> Rhodes submarine).
>
> John.
>
> --
> John Carlson
> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)
> Lake Waco, Texas
>
>
>
From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Jun 10 15:31:21 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 12:31:21 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my
diamond board
Message-ID: <E1nzkLp-00FrDo-SY@s152.servername.online>
Actually John, please do attempt to post the document to the list. The Mailman list software will keep a copy on the server, and just put a link in the email sent to all list members. So, the size of the document is only an issue for the email from you to the Mailman server.
If sending your document to the list as an attachment fails for some reason, nothing bad actually happens. But if it works, your wonderful document will live in our archive, and be accessible to list members, so long as the list may live.
Thanks,
Peter
> On 2022-06-10, at 13:13:33 EDT, John Carlson wrote:
>
> Okay, my hosting provider is experiencing an outage. Perhaps the overwhelming
> demand for this report has brought machighway to their knees!
>
> If it doesn't clear up in a couple of hours, I'll move to another server. Sorry.
> It's a bit over 9MB, so I am hesitant to try to post it to the list.
>
>
>
From mweisner at ebsmed.com Fri Jun 10 21:23:06 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2022 21:23:06 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish
my diamond board
In-Reply-To: <E1nzkLp-00FrDo-SY@s152.servername.online>
References: <E1nzkLp-00FrDo-SY@s152.servername.online>
Message-ID: <018501d87d31$ce4e3110$6aea9330$@ebsmed.com>
Here it is! The file size is now email capable.
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Peter Nyberg
Sent: Friday, June 10, 2022 3:31 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my diamond board
Actually John, please do attempt to post the document to the list. The Mailman list software will keep a copy on the server, and just put a link in the email sent to all list members. So, the size of the document is only an issue for the email from you to the Mailman server.
If sending your document to the list as an attachment fails for some reason, nothing bad actually happens. But if it works, your wonderful document will live in our archive, and be accessible to list members, so long as the list may live.
Thanks,
Peter
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From reefnsail123 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 11 11:43:55 2022
From: reefnsail123 at yahoo.com (Wilson Cook)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 11:43:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topping lift fouling IMF
References: <144CDB09-DF4A-4E78-8ADB-2391BD583FE4.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <144CDB09-DF4A-4E78-8ADB-2391BD583FE4@yahoo.com>
First year of sailing my R22. Over half the time I try to furl my mainsail the topping lift gets sucked in and fouls operation. When I have crew, They hold out topping lift and all works smoothly. Singlehanding is a challenge. I had taken down and washed all my lines. I wonder if I reinstalled topping lift incorrectly or is this a known problem? I guess I could practice my mast dropping skills but would rather not.
Sent from my iPhone
From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 11:44:58 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 11:44:58 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
possible?
It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
Thanks!
Lee
1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA
From rnelson204 at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 11:51:09 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (Rodney Brown)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 10:51:09 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A6719A2-CE9D-4DFA-ACA1-63DF3CFBBFEA@gmail.com>
Lee, you might take a look at this:
https://store.ruddercraft.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=182_107
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 11, 2022, at 10:45, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
> possible?
>
> It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
From tvpolise at aol.com Sat Jun 11 12:05:21 2022
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 12:05:21 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0DCABD25-56B7-42B2-91C4-9677A74A2CB2@aol.com>
I just made a tiller out out some leftover 1-1/2 x 1-1/2 IPE with a 3/4 x 1/1/2 strip at rear. It was intended as a temp but it?s been in for 4 seasons with no issues.
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> On Jun 11, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
> possible?
>
> It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 12:07:12 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 12:07:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <4A6719A2-CE9D-4DFA-ACA1-63DF3CFBBFEA@gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
<4A6719A2-CE9D-4DFA-ACA1-63DF3CFBBFEA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEmCqVdMLid3S3xY44R-rpQNTQc5Tm2eVyYwrXiaPV5fhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks Rodney,
It's probably user-error but I couldn't find any dimensions or details
aside from rise. I may give them a call.
Looks like West Marine and Defender have some options.
Lee
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 11:51 AM Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Lee, you might take a look at this:
>
> https://store.ruddercraft.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=182_107
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 11, 2022, at 10:45, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
> > possible?
> >
> > It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Lee
> > 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> > Claytor Lake, VA
>
From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 12:33:23 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 12:33:23 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topping lift fouling IMF
In-Reply-To: <144CDB09-DF4A-4E78-8ADB-2391BD583FE4@yahoo.com>
References: <144CDB09-DF4A-4E78-8ADB-2391BD583FE4.ref@yahoo.com>
<144CDB09-DF4A-4E78-8ADB-2391BD583FE4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEnQHUjcROeg0ByWtV3U0HkHX7KoDWO2TYciwcs5SgKsXg@mail.gmail.com>
Wilson,
The topping lift on my old boat could be adjusted from the cockpit (see
attached). Kept the line out of the way; made it easy to raise the boom
out of the way when motoring; and made it WAY easier to lower the aft end
of the boom when sailing with the mainsail and poptop down.
Until you mentioned it I didn't think about this problem but my topping
lift flops around my mast on my newer boat too. When I furl the
mainsail back in, I pull the inhaul line with my left hand while holding
the outhaul line with my right hand to keep the sail from getting out of
control. Maybe that keeps the boom down and the topping lift tight enough
to not get in the way. Not sure if that helps. I'll check it out next
time I go sailing.
Lee
1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 11:44 AM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> First year of sailing my R22. Over half the time I try to furl my mainsail
> the topping lift gets sucked in and fouls operation. When I have crew, They
> hold out topping lift and all works smoothly. Singlehanding is a
> challenge. I had taken down and washed all my lines. I wonder if I
> reinstalled topping lift incorrectly or is this a known problem? I guess I
> could practice my mast dropping skills but would rather not.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From shawn.sustain at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 12:41:45 2022
From: shawn.sustain at gmail.com (Shawn Boles)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 09:41:45 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topping lift fouling IMF
In-Reply-To: <144CDB09-DF4A-4E78-8ADB-2391BD583FE4@yahoo.com>
References: <144CDB09-DF4A-4E78-8ADB-2391BD583FE4.ref@yahoo.com>
<144CDB09-DF4A-4E78-8ADB-2391BD583FE4@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzGxuNm__YQaN0j-RsGbLEROQbBvkp82B2+oGkjTaP6ciGL_g@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Wilson:
As you can see from Lee's picture the topping lift runs down through a
spring-loaded block and then back to the cockpit.
The topping lift should hold the Boom just above horizontal when furling
and unfurling main sail. Loosen enough to let main sail assume correct
shape when sailing.
HTH
Shawn
s/v Sweet Baboo
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022, 8:44 AM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> First year of sailing my R22. Over half the time I try to furl my mainsail
> the topping lift gets sucked in and fouls operation. When I have crew, They
> hold out topping lift and all works smoothly. Singlehanding is a
> challenge. I had taken down and washed all my lines. I wonder if I
> reinstalled topping lift incorrectly or is this a known problem? I guess I
> could practice my mast dropping skills but would rather not.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 12:42:36 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 12:42:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail furler replacement suggestions
Message-ID: <5320CA41-4C2F-45E1-BC77-44AEB5B905AF@gmail.com>
I am planning on replacing my headsail furler. I currently have the GB furler, which works but has some issues. I believe that GB transitioned to the CDI furler in later years, so that?s on my short list. If you have that, how do you like it? Do you have other recommendations?
In addition, Do you have any insights or experience into what modifications would be required to adapt my exist 130 Genoa to a different model furler?
Thanks!
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
Sent from my iPhone
From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 13:39:23 2022
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 17:39:23 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Topping lift fouling IMF
In-Reply-To: <CAMzGxuNm__YQaN0j-RsGbLEROQbBvkp82B2+oGkjTaP6ciGL_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <144CDB09-DF4A-4E78-8ADB-2391BD583FE4.ref@yahoo.com>
<144CDB09-DF4A-4E78-8ADB-2391BD583FE4@yahoo.com>
<CAMzGxuNm__YQaN0j-RsGbLEROQbBvkp82B2+oGkjTaP6ciGL_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB54388CBFD4E858C96C5C2B14D9A99@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
I?ve never had that problem. When furling the main, I lock in the topping line (I have marked it so I know where the place is to keep boom where I need it); then I tighten the main sheet so there is no slack in the topping line. Ta Da!!
Sent from my iPhone
Charles Nieman
> On Jun 11, 2022, at 11:42 AM, Shawn Boles <shawn.sustain at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hi Wilson:
>
> As you can see from Lee's picture the topping lift runs down through a
> spring-loaded block and then back to the cockpit.
>
> The topping lift should hold the Boom just above horizontal when furling
> and unfurling main sail. Loosen enough to let main sail assume correct
> shape when sailing.
>
> HTH
>
> Shawn
> s/v Sweet Baboo
>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2022, 8:44 AM Wilson Cook via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>
>> First year of sailing my R22. Over half the time I try to furl my mainsail
>> the topping lift gets sucked in and fouls operation. When I have crew, They
>> hold out topping lift and all works smoothly. Singlehanding is a
>> challenge. I had taken down and washed all my lines. I wonder if I
>> reinstalled topping lift incorrectly or is this a known problem? I guess I
>> could practice my mast dropping skills but would rather not.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
From blue66corvette at hotmail.com Sat Jun 11 13:41:25 2022
From: blue66corvette at hotmail.com (Charles Nieman)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 17:41:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <0DCABD25-56B7-42B2-91C4-9677A74A2CB2@aol.com>
References: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
<0DCABD25-56B7-42B2-91C4-9677A74A2CB2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <SN6PR04MB5438A1B4D9FE3BD6B5A27B2BD9A99@SN6PR04MB5438.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>
When I needed one, I bought one for a Capri 22?..seemed like a perfect fit
Sent from my iPhone
Charles Nieman
> On Jun 11, 2022, at 11:05 AM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?I just made a tiller out out some leftover 1-1/2 x 1-1/2 IPE with a 3/4 x 1/1/2 strip at rear. It was intended as a temp but it?s been in for 4 seasons with no issues.
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>> On Jun 11, 2022, at 11:44 AM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
>> possible?
>>
>> It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Lee
>> 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
>> Claytor Lake, VA
From mark at whipplefamily.com Sat Jun 11 15:54:01 2022
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 15:54:01 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+WP5ATv3jL-0Z4hqbmR5kqSoAkQtcGZxAnDaLsQ4v3b4ZQBxA@mail.gmail.com>
Lee,
If you were able to arrange to drive to General Boat (maybe Charles can
help?) there were a bunch of used tillers around when I was there in March
of 2021.
Mark
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 11:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
> possible?
>
> It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
From sea20 at verizon.net Sat Jun 11 16:21:14 2022
From: sea20 at verizon.net (Scott Andrews)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:21:14 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ATv3jL-0Z4hqbmR5kqSoAkQtcGZxAnDaLsQ4v3b4ZQBxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+WP5ATv3jL-0Z4hqbmR5kqSoAkQtcGZxAnDaLsQ4v3b4ZQBxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <39ED49E7-6CFF-404D-A2BF-A4A1E1E45B24@verizon.net>
Stan also had a guy making fiberglass Tillers that were nice.
Scott A
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 11, 2022, at 3:54 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
>
> ?Lee,
>
> If you were able to arrange to drive to General Boat (maybe Charles can
> help?) there were a bunch of used tillers around when I was there in March
> of 2021.
>
> Mark
>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 11:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
>> possible?
>>
>> It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Lee
>> 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
>> Claytor Lake, VA
>>
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 16:28:54 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 16:28:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Diamondboard Conversion
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36YB1w+e=O3t_63KbAh=NHE5gkjVW1hasRvJofexPWF3ug@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62a4fb10.1c69fb81.f16dd.1161@mx.google.com>
Thanks Rick. I'll scratch Diamond board from my list of things to do!Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Rick Lange <sloopblueheron at gmail.com> Date: 6/10/22 1:34 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Diamondboard Conversion Hi Joe,The diamond board goes along with the IMF main and genoa rig.? It adjuststhe center of force for better balance and stability but sacrifices upwindpointing.? If you have the earlier standard rig, the centerboard givesbetter balance and pointing upwind.Regards,Rick LangeOn Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 10:21 AM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:> Just out of curiosity:> 1.? How much difference is the Rhodes' performance with the Diamondboard> keel?> 2.? Has anyone ever converted from the original to the Diamondboard?> 3.? If so, is it simply a matter of unpinning the original and replacing> with the DB or does this require a different pin>????? and pin location?>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of> Graham> Stewart> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 2:21 PM> To: 'John Carlson' <john_carlson at mac.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List'> <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my> diamond board>> Great write up!>>> Graham Stewart> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976> Kingston Ontario>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf> Of> John Carlson via Rhodes22-list> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 12:43 PM> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Report on project to remove and refinish my> diamond> board>> Way back in April, 2019 I requested help from the list on trouble I was> having with my diamond board. I received a lot of great feedback and> promised to share details. This was one part of a larger project that kept> the boat out of the water for a couple of years. I took pictures along the> way and have written up a short report on the centerboard and interior> work:>> http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf> <http://lillipellilabs.com/files/centerboard-removal-2019.pdf>>> There are lots of pictures -- maybe too many. Please consider this "version> 1". I'm sure that there are errors and omissions, which I'll try to fix as> they surface. I just wanted to put it into the Rhodiesphere quickly, given> the list members struggling with centerboards now. The boat is very> obviously in my driveway, but I just realized I should add a disclaimer to> not attempt what I did with the boat in the water (unless you fancy owning> a> Rhodes submarine).>> John.>> --> John Carlson> S/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)> Lake Waco, Texas>>>
From daysails at aol.com Sat Jun 11 17:26:05 2022
From: daysails at aol.com (daysails at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 21:26:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <928600777.1960716.1654982765462@mail.yahoo.com>
I went with one of Stan?s bright red ones and get a lot of comments. ?Looks and works great. ?
On Saturday, June 11, 2022, 11:45:04 AM EDT, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
possible?
It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
Thanks!
Lee
1999 Rhodes22? AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 17:36:03 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 17:36:03 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail furler replacement suggestions
In-Reply-To: <5320CA41-4C2F-45E1-BC77-44AEB5B905AF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62a50acd.1c69fb81.8f0fc.0d5f@mx.google.com>
Mike, I posted about the CDI furler a few days ago. Mine works fine after I overhauled it, which I explained how easy it was. Also contact info for CDI.Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> Date: 6/11/22 12:42 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail furler replacement suggestions I am planning on replacing my headsail furler.? I currently have the GB furler, which works but has some issues.? I believe that GB transitioned to the CDI furler in later years, so that?s on my short list.? If you have that, how do you like it?? Do you have other recommendations?In addition, Do you have any insights or experience into what modifications would be required to adapt my exist 130 Genoa to a different model furler?Thanks!Michael McKay(630) 209-2054 (m)Sent from my iPhone
From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 22:43:55 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 22:43:55 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <928600777.1960716.1654982765462@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
<928600777.1960716.1654982765462@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAE=z06BDhjS7owbk1kEfuwy-D7QyMDmPBv96ek8TA_902w@mail.gmail.com>
Stan promised me a red fiberglass tiller but I think he might be on a
sabbatical.
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022, 5:27 PM daysails--- via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> I went with one of Stan?s bright red ones and get a lot of comments.
> Looks and works great.
> On Saturday, June 11, 2022, 11:45:04 AM EDT, Lee Kuhn <
> lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
> possible?
>
> It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 22:47:45 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2022 22:47:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5ATv3jL-0Z4hqbmR5kqSoAkQtcGZxAnDaLsQ4v3b4ZQBxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
<CA+WP5ATv3jL-0Z4hqbmR5kqSoAkQtcGZxAnDaLsQ4v3b4ZQBxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEmODc-SAgfx1MdfQov7LZE+47oP3kQViT5n1QX=Wuji7A@mail.gmail.com>
Charles was nice enough to find a couple of used tillers for me but the
wife told me to get a new one.
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022, 3:54 PM Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
> Lee,
>
> If you were able to arrange to drive to General Boat (maybe Charles can
> help?) there were a bunch of used tillers around when I was there in March
> of 2021.
>
> Mark
>
> On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 11:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
> > possible?
> >
> > It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Lee
> > 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> > Claytor Lake, VA
> >
>
From snstaum at gmail.com Sun Jun 12 09:10:04 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2022 09:10:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOo_Fjes-Y82RopDuu=nOYdt_FgkchQoLUZPu9gTB2qmShtvsg@mail.gmail.com>
I found one at Defender for about $100 (2016). It was a little long so I
shortened it and reshaped the aft end to fit. It worked great on the Carol
Lee 2
*Thanks and Stay Well,*
*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*
*Needham, MA*
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022 at 11:45 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
> possible?
>
> It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
From spreadgoodnews at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 09:38:59 2022
From: spreadgoodnews at gmail.com (Goodness)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 09:38:59 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Rhodes 22 for sale
In-Reply-To: <d8363e8c-5a94-1275-d4c2-89e2d38b9262@generalboats.com>
References: <d8363e8c-5a94-1275-d4c2-89e2d38b9262@generalboats.com>
Message-ID: <13DB666A-343F-47D7-8414-3451B718C538@gmail.com>
Stan: We have everyone else?s opinion. Did you get the vax? Inquiring non-organic minds want to know!
Sailor
> On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:08 AM, stan <stan at generalboats.com> wrote:
>
> ?Eric,
>
> At two thirds of a year shy of 96 I find myself having overwhelming empathy for Rhodes owners having to give up sailing for health reasons. Even more for those who lost their first mates. Rose shared my health nut outlook. She made it to 97.
>
> If I could I would just buy your boat for the hell of it. Would it work for you if I brokered it for the standard 10%. You would be setting the selling price so it could keep you at what you want to net. And it would help keep me eating organic, which I do almost 100%. With no double blind test, I don't know if it works or whether I have been fortunate, but not a single one of my friends I grew up with are left.
> That part is not so fortunate. Sitting in this now empty house can get depressing; keeping the Rhodes continuing as a boat still in production as my therapy. I like knowing that that is one of the facts that helps maintain its higher resale value.
>
> In addition to free second opinions, which are worth what they cost, email me if I can be of any help.
>
> stan
>
>
>> On 4/29/21 8:13 PM, Eric Smith via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>> Due to recent severe health issues, I am retiring from sailing.
>>
>> I have a 1995 Rhodes 22 for sale. She has been factory renovated twice by General Boats, first in 2004 and again in 2016.
>>
>> The boat is in the water at a slip on South Hutchinson Island in Fort Pierce, Florida . I will be happy to discuss by phone all aspects of the boat and the Triad trailer included.
>>
>> I do wish to sell soon, since I am not able to properly care for her or enjoy her.
>>
>> I prefer to provide details by phone, rather than responding to multiple texts or emails.
>>
>> Asking price is $15,000.
>>
>> If anyone is interested or knows of a prospective buyer, please call 973 978 7994 between 10AM and 6PM EDT.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Eric Smith
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>
From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 09:57:46 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 09:57:46 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Tiller Replacement
In-Reply-To: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPgvAEkK0uDa0FxgpAniq73JLiPP1kJwLNXMWYJauzzeg1SskA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPgvAEmL25gjJ8ZoOH8qDDu4VcZi7ph8p1XRLWMDEfONvm6Kgg@mail.gmail.com>
Thanks everyone. As always, helpful advice.
Lee
On Sat, Jun 11, 2022, 11:44 AM Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any advice on replacing my tiller with one that is as close to Stan's as
> possible?
>
> It looks like one that is 2H x 1.5W x 48L or whatever length will work.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Tue Jun 14 14:32:12 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:32:12 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail furler replacement suggestions
In-Reply-To: <62a50acd.1c69fb81.8f0fc.0d5f@mx.google.com>
References: <5320CA41-4C2F-45E1-BC77-44AEB5B905AF@gmail.com>
<62a50acd.1c69fb81.8f0fc.0d5f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <002c01d8801d$10f61800$32e24800$@gmail.com>
Joe,
I've searched my email and rhodes22.org but can't find a recent email from you about the CDI overhaul. Are you referring to your email from October 2020?
Thanks,
Mike McKay
s/v Liber (2006/2018)
Allatoona Lake
Acworth, GA
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of jpd9668
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2022 5:36 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail furler replacement suggestions
Mike, I posted about the CDI furler a few days ago. Mine works fine after I overhauled it, which I explained how easy it was. Also contact info for CDI.Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com> Date: 6/11/22 12:42 PM (GMT-05:00) To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Headsail furler replacement suggestions I am planning on replacing my headsail furler. I currently have the GB furler, which works but has some issues. I believe that GB transitioned to the CDI furler in later years, so that?s on my short list. If you have that, how do you like it? Do you have other recommendations?In addition, Do you have any insights or experience into what modifications would be required to adapt my exist 130 Genoa to a different model furler?Thanks!Michael McKay(630) 209-2054 (m)Sent from my iPhone
From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Mon Jun 13 15:04:20 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2022 15:04:20 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] My boat is for sale
Message-ID: <CABkv36ZNaX=m=D6K7dFx3iSsJcrP1V_P_gZH8UQprSC38F4dyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Please see attached.
Regards,
Rick Lange
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From chitakcheung at gmail.com Wed Jun 15 16:58:57 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2022 16:58:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward bulkhead and hull
Message-ID: <AE3AFC4D-78FC-45A8-90C0-5FEF5892B6DA@gmail.com>
Dear Rhodies,
I am wondering, in the original built, is the forward bulkhead ever attached to the hull, using Fiberglass tab. There?s a half inch gap between the bulkhead and hull.
Can you kindly peek under the bench seat, and see if and how your bulkhead is attached to the hull.
This picture is taken with the boat in the water.
Thank you in advance,
Patrick
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From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 11:42:45 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 11:42:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Great Boat
Message-ID: <CABkv36avUOO-goBEO5VQL8yPJORf4tVA4KZGYSprsVt7cU70og@mail.gmail.com>
https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/96307
Regards,
Rick Lange
From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Jun 16 13:12:52 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:12:52 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Great Boat
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36avUOO-goBEO5VQL8yPJORf4tVA4KZGYSprsVt7cU70og@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36avUOO-goBEO5VQL8yPJORf4tVA4KZGYSprsVt7cU70og@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601d881a4$52515070$f6f3f150$@ebsmed.com>
Rick,
Did you already post this to the list?
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:43 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Great Boat
https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/96307
Regards,
Rick Lange
From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 13:53:33 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:53:33 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Great Boat
In-Reply-To: <002601d881a4$52515070$f6f3f150$@ebsmed.com>
References: <CABkv36avUOO-goBEO5VQL8yPJORf4tVA4KZGYSprsVt7cU70og@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CABkv36ZPynC7OoTXfMpn9L-FP+DypYD_ePT59kmD5Jpf-B=jVw@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Mike,
I tried with a pdf attachment, but I was never told it got moderator
approval.
Regards,
Rick Lange
On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 1:13 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Did you already post this to the list?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Rick Lange
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Great Boat
>
> https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/96307
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
From mweisner at ebsmed.com Thu Jun 16 14:45:54 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 14:45:54 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Great Boat
In-Reply-To: <CABkv36ZPynC7OoTXfMpn9L-FP+DypYD_ePT59kmD5Jpf-B=jVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABkv36avUOO-goBEO5VQL8yPJORf4tVA4KZGYSprsVt7cU70og@mail.gmail.com>
<002601d881a4$52515070$f6f3f150$@ebsmed.com>
<CABkv36ZPynC7OoTXfMpn9L-FP+DypYD_ePT59kmD5Jpf-B=jVw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001d881b1$50292d60$f07b8820$@ebsmed.com>
Rick,
I approved the posting last Monday. It can be found at:
http://www.rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/2022-June/090317.html
For those who are interested in purchasing Rick's boat, the pdf file (http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220613/48986368/attachment.pdf) is very detailed.
Looks nice!
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Rick Lange
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 1:54 PM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] A Great Boat
Hi Mike,
I tried with a pdf attachment, but I was never told it got moderator approval.
Regards,
Rick Lange
On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 1:13 PM Michael D. Weisner <mweisner at ebsmed.com>
wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Did you already post this to the list?
>
> Mike
> s/v Wind Lass ('91)
> Nissequogue River, NY
> I?d rather be sailing :~)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of
> Rick Lange
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:43 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] A Great Boat
>
> https://www.sailboatlistings.com/view/96307
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Lange
>
>
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 14:02:29 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 14:02:29 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless
Message-ID: <62acc1b6.1c69fb81.42acf.9950@mx.google.com>
I just saw SV Fretless in Saluda, VA.? She was going too fast for me to catch up. If you're on The List, is that home or are you passing through?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
From peter at sunnybeeches.com Fri Jun 17 16:09:26 2022
From: peter at sunnybeeches.com (Peter Nyberg)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 13:09:26 -0700
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward bulkhead and hull
Message-ID: <E1o2IHW-007IBX-2m@s152.servername.online>
Patrick,
The view under my settee is similar to what you show in your picture. There's a gap between the bulkhead and the hull, and no visible means of attachment. Looking at the back side (the side closer to the bow), I find fiberglass tabbing attachment near the top edge both port and starboard.
Unfortunately, I've got something installed in this space that prevents me from seeing if there's additional attachment points further down.
HTH,
--Peter
> On 2022-06-15, at 16:58:57 EDT, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>
> Dear Rhodies,
> I am wondering, in the original built, is the forward bulkhead ever attached to
> the hull, using Fiberglass tab. There?s a half inch gap between the bulkhead and
> hull.
> Can you kindly peek under the bench seat, and see if and how your bulkhead is
> attached to the hull.
> This picture is taken with the boat in the water.
>
> Thank you in advance,
> Patrick
>
>
> <a
> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220615/1036caaf/attachment.jpeg"
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From oehecht at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 16:42:57 2022
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 16:42:57 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless
In-Reply-To: <62acc1b6.1c69fb81.42acf.9950@mx.google.com>
References: <62acc1b6.1c69fb81.42acf.9950@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAGUHJmTbfCuU-0FsRY7z75rgyyAQcyJPnS_dd1QB8iMeP_QTiw@mail.gmail.com>
Wow?cool coincidence. That was me. We moved to the DC area last week and
I?m moving Fretless up to a marina near Annapolis. Keeping her at a friends
house in Richmond for a few weeks to get some long overdue projects done.
To clarify for the group - this was Fretless on the trailer that was hard
to catch up to! A buddy and I were going to sail her up to Annapolis over
four or five days this weekend, but the winds after today were terrible for
that. I?m also still working on improving my motor mount, so we didn?t even
day sail her today before rigging her for the road. Hopefully she?ll be
back on the waters near Annapolis soon!
Olivier
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 2:02 PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just saw SV Fretless in Saluda, VA. She was going too fast for me to
> catch up. If you're on The List, is that home or are you passing
> through?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22
> 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>
From bgarrant at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 17:29:30 2022
From: bgarrant at gmail.com (Bob Garrant)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 17:29:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless
In-Reply-To: <CAGUHJmTbfCuU-0FsRY7z75rgyyAQcyJPnS_dd1QB8iMeP_QTiw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62acc1b6.1c69fb81.42acf.9950@mx.google.com>
<CAGUHJmTbfCuU-0FsRY7z75rgyyAQcyJPnS_dd1QB8iMeP_QTiw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPi3tBCmSzkxDj-Vp4e18PVx1+O_Pr2oy9tHwy9pfQZ9GWOWcQ@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Olivier
Where are you going to berth it at in Annapolis?
I keep Sail la Vie at Castle Marina on Kent Island, directly across the
bridge from Annapolis.
Bob Garrant
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 4:43 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow?cool coincidence. That was me. We moved to the DC area last week and
> I?m moving Fretless up to a marina near Annapolis. Keeping her at a friends
> house in Richmond for a few weeks to get some long overdue projects done.
>
> To clarify for the group - this was Fretless on the trailer that was hard
> to catch up to! A buddy and I were going to sail her up to Annapolis over
> four or five days this weekend, but the winds after today were terrible for
> that. I?m also still working on improving my motor mount, so we didn?t even
> day sail her today before rigging her for the road. Hopefully she?ll be
> back on the waters near Annapolis soon!
>
> Olivier
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 2:02 PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I just saw SV Fretless in Saluda, VA. She was going too fast for me to
> > catch up. If you're on The List, is that home or are you passing
> > through?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy
> S22
> > 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> >
>
From oehecht at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 17:55:38 2022
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 17:55:38 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless
In-Reply-To: <CAPi3tBCmSzkxDj-Vp4e18PVx1+O_Pr2oy9tHwy9pfQZ9GWOWcQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <62acc1b6.1c69fb81.42acf.9950@mx.google.com>
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My plan is keeping her on the trailer at Holiday Hill Marina in Edgewater.
We?ve had her on the hard at a yard near Urbanna for years and I like
keeping her dry between sailing.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:29 PM Bob Garrant <bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Olivier
> Where are you going to berth it at in Annapolis?
> I keep Sail la Vie at Castle Marina on Kent Island, directly across the
> bridge from Annapolis.
> Bob Garrant
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 4:43 PM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Wow?cool coincidence. That was me. We moved to the DC area last week and
> > I?m moving Fretless up to a marina near Annapolis. Keeping her at a
> friends
> > house in Richmond for a few weeks to get some long overdue projects done.
> >
> > To clarify for the group - this was Fretless on the trailer that was hard
> > to catch up to! A buddy and I were going to sail her up to Annapolis
> over
> > four or five days this weekend, but the winds after today were terrible
> for
> > that. I?m also still working on improving my motor mount, so we didn?t
> even
> > day sail her today before rigging her for the road. Hopefully she?ll be
> > back on the waters near Annapolis soon!
> >
> > Olivier
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 2:02 PM jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I just saw SV Fretless in Saluda, VA. She was going too fast for me to
> > > catch up. If you're on The List, is that home or are you passing
> > > through?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy
> > S22
> > > 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> > >
> >
>
From chitakcheung at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 18:56:07 2022
From: chitakcheung at gmail.com (Patrick Cheung)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 18:56:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Forward bulkhead and hull
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Thanks a lot Peter. I am going to leave it alone. But I will beef up the longitudinal .
Patrick
> On Jun 17, 2022, at 4:09 PM, Peter Nyberg <peter at sunnybeeches.com> wrote:
>
> ?Patrick,
>
> The view under my settee is similar to what you show in your picture. There's a gap between the bulkhead and the hull, and no visible means of attachment. Looking at the back side (the side closer to the bow), I find fiberglass tabbing attachment near the top edge both port and starboard.
>
> Unfortunately, I've got something installed in this space that prevents me from seeing if there's additional attachment points further down.
>
> HTH,
>
> --Peter
>
>> On 2022-06-15, at 16:58:57 EDT, Patrick Cheung wrote:
>>
>> Dear Rhodies,
>> I am wondering, in the original built, is the forward bulkhead ever attached to
>> the hull, using Fiberglass tab. There?s a half inch gap between the bulkhead and
>> hull.
>> Can you kindly peek under the bench seat, and see if and how your bulkhead is
>> attached to the hull.
>> This picture is taken with the boat in the water.
>>
>> Thank you in advance,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> <a
>> href="http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220615/1036caaf/attachment.jpeg"
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From mtroy at atlanticbb.net Fri Jun 17 20:33:18 2022
From: mtroy at atlanticbb.net (mtroy at atlanticbb.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 20:33:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless
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Hey I sort of know where that is. A Rhodes on the Rhode River. It will be
somewhat familiar waters for the boat. When we had her we visited the West
and Rhode Rivers several times. Great sailing in the area though I expect a
lot more crowded than on the Southern Bay. Some of our favorite anchorages
are on the Choptank, the Miles and the Wye just across the Bay
Are you going to be able to leave her with the mast up on the trailer? We
did that for the first two years we had her up on the Middle River. It was
great.
Welcome to the (sort of) neighborhood.
Mary Lou and Fred
On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 17:55:38 -0400
Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> My plan is keeping her on the trailer at Holiday Hill
>Marina in Edgewater.
> We?ve had her on the hard at a yard near Urbanna for
>years and I like
> keeping her dry between sailing.
>
> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:29 PM Bob Garrant
><bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Olivier
>> Where are you going to berth it at in Annapolis?
>> I keep Sail la Vie at Castle Marina on Kent Island,
>>directly across the
>> bridge from Annapolis.
>> Bob Garrant
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 4:43 PM Olivier Hecht
>><oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Wow?cool coincidence. That was me. We moved to the DC
>>area last week and
>> > I?m moving Fretless up to a marina near Annapolis.
>>Keeping her at a
>> friends
>> > house in Richmond for a few weeks to get some long
>>overdue projects done.
>> >
>> > To clarify for the group - this was Fretless on the
>>trailer that was hard
>> > to catch up to! A buddy and I were going to sail her
>>up to Annapolis
>> over
>> > four or five days this weekend, but the winds after
>>today were terrible
>> for
>> > that. I?m also still working on improving my motor
>>mount, so we didn?t
>> even
>> > day sail her today before rigging her for the road.
>>Hopefully she?ll be
>> > back on the waters near Annapolis soon!
>> >
>> > Olivier
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 2:02 PM jpd9668
>><jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I just saw SV Fretless in Saluda, VA. She was going
>>too fast for me to
>> > > catch up. If you're on The List, is that home or are
>>you passing
>> > > through?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via
>>the Samsung Galaxy
>> > S22
>> > > 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>> > >
>> >
>>
From oehecht at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 22:53:45 2022
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 22:53:45 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Fretless
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That?s my plan?we?ve had the mast up the entire time we?ve had her except
to replace the main last season. I?m looking forward to exploring those
waters!
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:33 PM <mtroy at atlanticbb.net> wrote:
> Hey I sort of know where that is. A Rhodes on the Rhode River. It will be
> somewhat familiar waters for the boat. When we had her we visited the West
> and Rhode Rivers several times. Great sailing in the area though I expect
> a
> lot more crowded than on the Southern Bay. Some of our favorite anchorages
> are on the Choptank, the Miles and the Wye just across the Bay
>
> Are you going to be able to leave her with the mast up on the trailer? We
> did that for the first two years we had her up on the Middle River. It was
> great.
>
> Welcome to the (sort of) neighborhood.
>
> Mary Lou and Fred
>
> On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 17:55:38 -0400
> Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> > My plan is keeping her on the trailer at Holiday Hill
> >Marina in Edgewater.
> > We?ve had her on the hard at a yard near Urbanna for
> >years and I like
> > keeping her dry between sailing.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:29 PM Bob Garrant
> ><bgarrant at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Olivier
> >> Where are you going to berth it at in Annapolis?
> >> I keep Sail la Vie at Castle Marina on Kent Island,
> >>directly across the
> >> bridge from Annapolis.
> >> Bob Garrant
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 4:43 PM Olivier Hecht
> >><oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Wow?cool coincidence. That was me. We moved to the DC
> >>area last week and
> >> > I?m moving Fretless up to a marina near Annapolis.
> >>Keeping her at a
> >> friends
> >> > house in Richmond for a few weeks to get some long
> >>overdue projects done.
> >> >
> >> > To clarify for the group - this was Fretless on the
> >>trailer that was hard
> >> > to catch up to! A buddy and I were going to sail her
> >>up to Annapolis
> >> over
> >> > four or five days this weekend, but the winds after
> >>today were terrible
> >> for
> >> > that. I?m also still working on improving my motor
> >>mount, so we didn?t
> >> even
> >> > day sail her today before rigging her for the road.
> >>Hopefully she?ll be
> >> > back on the waters near Annapolis soon!
> >> >
> >> > Olivier
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 2:02 PM jpd9668
> >><jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > I just saw SV Fretless in Saluda, VA. She was going
> >>too fast for me to
> >> > > catch up. If you're on The List, is that home or are
> >>you passing
> >> > > through?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via
> >>the Samsung Galaxy
> >> > S22
> >> > > 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
>
>
>
From urchinn at aol.com Sun Jun 19 13:54:03 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 17:54:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mast needed in New England (with photos)...
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Looking for a Rhodes 22 mast in New England...prefer the in-mast-furling mast! Our newly acquired Rhodes purchase is riddled with problems...and we are freaking out. Get rid of it, or muddle through somehow! Damn! Anyway, you can see the damage the spreaders have caused to the mast. Some folks say weld aluminum patches on to the mast, and drill a new hole for the spreaders. Some say that would not work. Any thoughts/opinions/sarcasm is welcome. We are really feeling defeated, and my wife is in tears. Our first-ever sailboat is a lemon, it seems. Now we have to figure out what to do with this lemon....LikeCommentShare
From urchinn at aol.com Sun Jun 19 14:06:36 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 18:06:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!"
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Here is the damage to both sides of the mast...basically under the spreaders!
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From jamcando126 at yahoo.com Sun Jun 19 14:31:12 2022
From: jamcando126 at yahoo.com (John McLaughlin)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 18:31:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mast needed in New England (with photos)...
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Tony who did you buy the boat from? What year is it? What did u pay for It? ?Do you have a trailer?I?m in NC and might be able to help. ?I have 4 R22?s, one in the water, one on my boat ramp and two for parts.TksJohn609-385-7039
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Sunday, June 19, 2022, 1:54 PM, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
Looking for a Rhodes 22 mast in New England...prefer the in-mast-furling mast! Our newly acquired Rhodes purchase is riddled with problems...and we are freaking out. Get rid of it, or muddle through somehow! Damn! Anyway, you can see the damage the spreaders have caused to the mast. Some folks say weld aluminum patches on to the mast, and drill a new hole for the spreaders. Some say that would not work. Any thoughts/opinions/sarcasm is welcome. We are really feeling defeated, and my wife is in tears. Our first-ever sailboat is a lemon, it seems. Now we have to figure out what to do with this lemon....LikeCommentShare
From oehecht at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 15:13:17 2022
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 15:13:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!"
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Honestly that doesn?t look too bad to me, and I?d be shocked if that was
the only reason to get an entire new (specialized and hard to find) mast.
Remember that, under load, the spreaders are under compression and not
tension, so the mounts to the mast are more to keep them in place when
they?re not under tension. Just like the bolt at the foot of the mast.
I think there are a few ways to address the issue, including reinforcing
the material behind it, or just adding a new piece of thin strong material
between the spreader and the mast to act like a giant washer of sorts. You
might also be able to relocate the spreaders up or down the mast an inch or
two to find some good metal to connect them to?I don?t think that small of
a change in geometry would cause other issues.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 2:06 PM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> Here is the damage to both sides of the mast...basically under the
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 15:39:42 2022
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 15:39:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!"
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Tony:
I would not write the mast off if the only damage is where the spreader base was torn out. The fact that the base tore out without bending the mast or causing other damage is actually a good indication that the mast is sound. I think that damage should be reparable by a professional aluminum welder. Alternatively, it might be possible to find or have made new spreader bases that are larger and could span the damage. Don't get discouraged, this is all part of sailing. Believe me there are much worse things that could go wrong.
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
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Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 2:07 PM
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 15:46:50 2022
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 15:46:50 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mast needed in New England (with photos)...
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Tony:
What else is wrong with the boat?
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 1:54 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mast needed in New England (with photos)...
Looking for a Rhodes 22 mast in New England...prefer the in-mast-furling mast! Our newly acquired Rhodes purchase is riddled with problems...and we are freaking out. Get rid of it, or muddle through somehow! Damn! Anyway, you can see the damage the spreaders have caused to the mast. Some folks say weld aluminum patches on to the mast, and drill a new hole for the spreaders. Some say that would not work. Any thoughts/opinions/sarcasm is welcome. We are really feeling defeated, and my wife is in tears. Our first-ever sailboat is a lemon, it seems. Now we have to figure out what to do with this lemon....LikeCommentShare
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 16:11:02 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 16:11:02 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mast needed in New England (with photos)...
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I can't help with Tony's problem, but this is a good example for having a marine surveyor survey a boat prior to purchase.Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: John McLaughlin via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/19/22 2:31 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tony Jonaitis <urchinn at aol.com>, The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] New mast needed in New England (with photos)... Tony who did you buy the boat from? What year is it? What did u pay for It? ?Do you have a trailer?I?m in NC and might be able to help. ?I have 4 R22?s, one in the water, one on my boat ramp and two for parts.TksJohn609-385-7039Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhoneOn Sunday, June 19, 2022, 1:54 PM, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:Looking for a Rhodes 22 mast in New England...prefer the in-mast-furling mast! Our newly acquired Rhodes purchase is riddled with problems...and we are freaking out. Get rid of it, or muddle through somehow! Damn! Anyway, you can see the damage the spreaders have caused to the mast. Some folks say weld aluminum patches on to the mast, and drill a new hole for the spreaders. Some say that would not work. Any thoughts/opinions/sarcasm is welcome. We are really feeling defeated, and my wife is in tears. Our first-ever sailboat is a lemon, it seems. Now we have to figure out what to do with this lemon....LikeCommentShare
From tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com Sun Jun 19 16:14:18 2022
From: tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com (Tom Van Heule)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 15:14:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!"
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What graham said!
On Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 2:39 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com> wrote:
> Tony:
>
> I would not write the mast off if the only damage is where the spreader
> base was torn out. The fact that the base tore out without bending the mast
> or causing other damage is actually a good indication that the mast is
> sound. I think that damage should be reparable by a professional aluminum
> welder. Alternatively, it might be possible to find or have made new
> spreader bases that are larger and could span the damage. Don't get
> discouraged, this is all part of sailing. Believe me there are much worse
> things that could go wrong.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 2:07 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!"
>
> Here is the damage to both sides of the mast...basically under the
> spreaders!
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From tavares0947 at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 16:21:05 2022
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 16:21:05 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New mast needed in New England (with photos)...
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There is a 1980s vintage for sale on Facebook for about $300 in
Fredericksburg Virginia.
I'd sell you a mast but I'm down to only one spare now. You could
contactStan at General Boats to see if he has any old ones in the yard, but
good luck getting a return call of email.
(But for some reason, I'd you bad mouth him on the list, you usually get a
quick come back...LOL...go figure)
The boat in Virginia on a trailer on Facebook...if it doesn't get stripped
off the email.
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1215446945907141/
Todd T.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 1:54 PM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> Looking for a Rhodes 22 mast in New England...prefer the in-mast-furling
> mast! Our newly acquired Rhodes purchase is riddled with problems...and we
> are freaking out. Get rid of it, or muddle through somehow! Damn! Anyway,
> you can see the damage the spreaders have caused to the mast. Some folks
> say weld aluminum patches on to the mast, and drill a new hole for the
> spreaders. Some say that would not work. Any thoughts/opinions/sarcasm is
> welcome. We are really feeling defeated, and my wife is in tears. Our
> first-ever sailboat is a lemon, it seems. Now we have to figure out what to
> do with this lemon....LikeCommentShare
>
From tavares0947 at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 17:00:36 2022
From: tavares0947 at gmail.com (Todd Tavares)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 17:00:36 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!"
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It appears to be the IMF mast.
We can wait for Roger to respond, but if that happened to my mast, here is
what I would do.
After taking measurements to get the spreader positions recorded, I would
remove the main sail and furling tube assembly. Remove the spreader
brackets. I'm do not have an IMF mast but the spreader brackets aren't
through bolted through the mast from side to side like some older standard
masts I've seen.
Then contact a local machine shop or welding shop. Have the damaged areas
cut out or cleaned up. Stop drill any radiating cracks, then TIG weld them
up.
Then TIG weld 3/16ths" or 1/4" plates over the damaged areas/holes, and
remount the spreader brackets. Survey how you'll remount the brackets
before the welding though.
Just my thoughts.
Todd T.
On Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 4:14 PM Tom Van Heule <
tom.vanheule at intrinsicprograms.com> wrote:
> What graham said!
>
> On Sun, Jun 19, 2022, 2:39 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Tony:
> >
> > I would not write the mast off if the only damage is where the spreader
> > base was torn out. The fact that the base tore out without bending the
> mast
> > or causing other damage is actually a good indication that the mast is
> > sound. I think that damage should be reparable by a professional aluminum
> > welder. Alternatively, it might be possible to find or have made new
> > spreader bases that are larger and could span the damage. Don't get
> > discouraged, this is all part of sailing. Believe me there are much worse
> > things that could go wrong.
> >
> > Graham Stewart
> > Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> > Kingston Ontario
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On
> Behalf
> > Of Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list
> > Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 2:07 PM
> > To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> > Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!"
> >
> > Here is the damage to both sides of the mast...basically under the
> > spreaders!
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com Sun Jun 19 19:35:11 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2022 19:35:11 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!"
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Dryer Aluminum Mast is in your neck of the woods. Check with them about your issue. Don't know if they made your mast or not. They make the Rhodes IMF.33 Broadcommon Road Unit 1Bristol, RI 02809, USAPhone:?(203) 484-0419Fax:?(203) 484-2014E-Mail:?sail at dwyermast.com?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> Date: 6/19/22 3:13 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Tony Jonaitis <urchinn at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!" Honestly that doesn?t look too bad to me, and I?d be shocked if that wasthe only reason to get an entire new (specialized and hard to find) mast.Remember that, under load, the spreaders are under compression and nottension, so the mounts to the mast are more to keep them in place whenthey?re not under tension. Just like the bolt at the foot of the mast.I think there are a few ways to address the issue, including reinforcingthe material behind it, or just adding a new piece of thin strong materialbetween the spreader and the mast to act like a giant washer of sorts. Youmight also be able to relocate the spreaders up or down the mast an inch ortwo to find some good metal to connect them to?I don?t think that small ofa change in geometry would cause other issues.On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 2:06 PM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> Here is the damage to both sides of the mast...basically under the> spreaders!> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: rhodes1.JPG> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 1072663 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220619/ff8a61bc/attachment.jpe> >> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: rhodes2.JPG> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 2521446 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220619/ff8a61bc/attachment-0001.jpe> >> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: rhodes3.JPG> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 942351 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <> http://rhodes22.org/pipermail/rhodes22-list/attachments/20220619/ff8a61bc/attachment-0002.jpe> >>
From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun Jun 19 20:17:17 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 00:17:17 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!"
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Tony,
I hate to be the bearer of bad news. As I look at the damage, it looks like it spans at least 25% of the circumference of the mast. Even worse, the two holes are right across from each other. Aluminum alloys have to be specially heat treated in order to be both strong and fatigue resistant. The welding process will destroy the heat treatment in the heat affected area. Even if you welded a patch all the way around the mast big enough to cover the damage, the weld bead will create a weak, soft spot in the mast above and below the patch. The only solution would be to run the whole mast thru heat treatment after the patch was welded on. That would require a furnace big enough to fit the whole mast and all the fittings would have to be removed first and then reattached. At the end of the day, it all comes down to cost. I suspect it will be cheaper to replace the mast vs repair it.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 19, 2022, at 7:35 PM, jpd9668 <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Dryer Aluminum Mast is in your neck of the woods. Check with them about your issue. Don't know if they made your mast or not. They make the Rhodes IMF.33 Broadcommon Road Unit 1Bristol, RI 02809, USAPhone: (203) 484-0419Fax: (203) 484-2014E-Mail: sail at dwyermast.com Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> Date: 6/19/22 3:13 PM (GMT-05:00) To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>, Tony Jonaitis <urchinn at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Photos of the "bad mast!" Honestly that doesn?t look too bad to me, and I?d be shocked if that wasthe only reason to get an entire new (specialized and hard to find) mast.Remember that, under load, the spreaders are under compression and nottension, so the mounts to the mast are more to keep them in place whenthey?re not under tension. Just like the bolt at the foot of the mast.I think there are a few ways to address the issue, including reinforcingthe material behind it, or just adding a new piece of thin strong materialbetween the spreader and the mast to act like a giant washer of sorts. Youmight also be able to relocate the spreaders up or down the mast an inch ortwo to find some good metal to connect them to?I don?t think that small ofa change in geometry would cause other issues.On Sun, Jun 19, 2022 at 2:06 PM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:> Here is the damage to both sides of the mast...basically under the> spreaders!> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: rhodes1.JPG> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 1072663 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220619%2Fff8a61bc%2Fattachment.jpe&data=05%7C01%7C%7Caf5ed2ad766e448b857808da524c63e9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637912785303730940%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=p00xLVqFJELWkS2je3ISEhsnPKX4fi8lE2S71zjA%2FxQ%3D&reserved=0> >> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: rhodes2.JPG> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 2521446 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220619%2Fff8a61bc%2Fattachment-0001.jpe&data=05%7C01%7C%7Caf5ed2ad766e448b857808da524c63e9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637912785303730940%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GzEUyGcABSYxJAahS3gdtNgT4Qf3OkK70p4nsV113Dk%3D&reserved=0> >> -------------- next part --------------> A non-text attachment was scrubbed...> Name: rhodes3.JPG> Type: image/jpeg> Size: 942351 bytes> Desc: not available> URL: <> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frhodes22.org%2Fpipermail%2Frhodes22-list%2Fattachments%2F20220619%2Fff8a61bc%2Fattachment-0002.jpe&data=05%7C01%7C%7Caf5ed2ad766e448b857808da524c63e9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637912785303730940%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=VEQI0vCURq3KcUilhQRuFIh4VXMd5n5mKQhONqAsXz4%3D&reserved=0> >>
From oehecht at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 09:35:32 2022
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:35:32 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of cockpit drain hose
Message-ID: <CAGUHJmRrDhKv+3c-X7NaDmwc7_b_nuB5HxZ4G7bvoZakvkn6gA@mail.gmail.com>
Hi all. I?m away from my boat but need to order the drain hose from the
rear of the cockpit seats to the transom. Does anyone happen to know the ID
I need? Thanks in advance.
From jpd9668 at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 11:37:34 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (Joe Dempsey)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 11:37:34 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of cockpit drain hose
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I'm pretty sure it's 1-1/4" coil hose.
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 9:36 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all. I?m away from my boat but need to order the drain hose from the
> rear of the cockpit seats to the transom. Does anyone happen to know the ID
> I need? Thanks in advance.
>
From snstaum at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 06:05:35 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 06:05:35 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of cockpit drain hose
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I just matched mine at a local auto parts store from their selection of
radiator hoses and cut it to length.
*Thanks and Stay Well,*
*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*
*Needham, MA*
On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:37 AM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure it's 1-1/4" coil hose.
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 9:36 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all. I?m away from my boat but need to order the drain hose from the
> > rear of the cockpit seats to the transom. Does anyone happen to know the
> ID
> > I need? Thanks in advance.
> >
>
From oehecht at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 07:13:53 2022
From: oehecht at gmail.com (Olivier Hecht)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 07:13:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of cockpit drain hose
In-Reply-To: <CAOo_Fjexn-x1CDppeyMdFY6y1oCkiP1dyEvVJVOHMxUadS7JrQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Stephen, the hose is 100 miles away from me right now. Can you tell me what
size you found as a match? Thanks.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 6:05 AM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just matched mine at a local auto parts store from their selection of
> radiator hoses and cut it to length.
>
> *Thanks and Stay Well,*
>
> *Stephen Staum*
> *s/v Pinafore*
>
> *Needham, MA*
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:37 AM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm pretty sure it's 1-1/4" coil hose.
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 9:36 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all. I?m away from my boat but need to order the drain hose from the
> > > rear of the cockpit seats to the transom. Does anyone happen to know
> the
> > ID
> > > I need? Thanks in advance.
> > >
> >
>
From snstaum at gmail.com Tue Jun 21 07:29:51 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2022 07:29:51 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Size of cockpit drain hose
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<CAOo_Fjexn-x1CDppeyMdFY6y1oCkiP1dyEvVJVOHMxUadS7JrQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I think I did that in 2016. Sorry but my memory is not that good. But the
point is there is no need to order it in advance. I just took off the old
one and matched it at a local auto parts store. Sold the boat last year
and the hose was still fine.
*Thanks and Stay Well,*
*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*
*Needham, MA*
On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 7:14 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com> wrote:
> Stephen, the hose is 100 miles away from me right now. Can you tell me what
> size you found as a match? Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Jun 21, 2022 at 6:05 AM Stephen Staum <snstaum at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I just matched mine at a local auto parts store from their selection of
> > radiator hoses and cut it to length.
> >
> > *Thanks and Stay Well,*
> >
> > *Stephen Staum*
> > *s/v Pinafore*
> >
> > *Needham, MA*
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 11:37 AM Joe Dempsey <jpd9668 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I'm pretty sure it's 1-1/4" coil hose.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 20, 2022 at 9:36 AM Olivier Hecht <oehecht at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi all. I?m away from my boat but need to order the drain hose from
> the
> > > > rear of the cockpit seats to the transom. Does anyone happen to know
> > the
> > > ID
> > > > I need? Thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
From rnelson204 at gmail.com Thu Jun 23 17:44:14 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN)
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 16:44:14 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Looking for a 130 Genoa
Message-ID: <CA68EE1A-DF59-4217-8F9B-BD89BD49816D@gmail.com>
Hello one and all, anyone have a 130 Genoa in good shape they?re willing to part with?
Thanks,
Rodney
From urchinn at aol.com Sat Jun 25 19:08:41 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 23:08:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The crappy mast will be welded...
References: <286449482.4826919.1656198521417.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <286449482.4826919.1656198521417@mail.yahoo.com>
Although four people had a mast for sale (nobody could think of a price, though, and wanted me to come up with one), we had a long talk with a well-regarded local aluminum-welding expert, and we are going to give that a try first.? If that doesn't work, then we are going to take a hit, and offer the boat/trailer for short money.? A very horrible experience, but it is our fault for trusting.? More new and photos of the past in the upcoming weeks.? Thanks for all the thoughts/opinions/suggestions.??
Tony
From gstewart.gm at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 21:20:07 2022
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 21:20:07 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The crappy mast will be welded...
In-Reply-To: <286449482.4826919.1656198521417@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <286449482.4826919.1656198521417.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
<286449482.4826919.1656198521417@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <62b7b448.1c69fb81.c8171.8139@mx.google.com>
Be sure to let us know how the mast repair works out. You are certainly not going to be the last to face mast repair. Good luck
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 7:09 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The crappy mast will be welded...
Although four people had a mast for sale (nobody could think of a price, though, and wanted me to come up with one), we had a long talk with a well-regarded local aluminum-welding expert, and we are going to give that a try first. If that doesn't work, then we are going to take a hit, and offer the boat/trailer for short money. A very horrible experience, but it is our fault for trusting. More new and photos of the past in the upcoming weeks. Thanks for all the thoughts/opinions/suggestions.
Tony
From snstaum at gmail.com Sat Jun 25 23:56:48 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2022 23:56:48 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The crappy mast will be welded...
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Sounds like the right move.
Stephen Staum
s/v Pinafore
Needham, MA
On Sat, Jun 25, 2022 at 9:20 PM Graham Stewart <gstewart.gm at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Be sure to let us know how the mast repair works out. You are certainly
> not going to be the last to face mast repair. Good luck
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf
> Of Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2022 7:09 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] The crappy mast will be welded...
>
> Although four people had a mast for sale (nobody could think of a price,
> though, and wanted me to come up with one), we had a long talk with a
> well-regarded local aluminum-welding expert, and we are going to give that
> a try first. If that doesn't work, then we are going to take a hit, and
> offer the boat/trailer for short money. A very horrible experience, but it
> is our fault for trusting. More new and photos of the past in the upcoming
> weeks. Thanks for all the thoughts/opinions/suggestions.
> Tony
>
> --
Thanks and Stay Well,
Stephen Staum
Pariser Industries, Inc.
From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 12:48:37 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 12:48:37 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Drag and 6hp Speed
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1. I was motoring around the lake the other day trying to get the ten
hours of break-in period on my new outboard. That's a lot of motoring when
I could have been sailing. I was going 3.5 mph with the diamond
centerboard in the up position. I lowered the board and it slowed me down
to 3.4 mph. May not be surprising to a lot of you but I'd thought it would
have slowed the boat down morre.
2, My old motor was a 9.9hp. I thought that a 8hp would be ideal for our
boats but I went down to a 6hp because of the weight difference, Not sure
if I can manhandle the smaller engine on and off the boat but I can
probably find some kid who can. At slightly less than one third throttle
the Tohatsu long shaft moved the boat at 5.1 mph in calm waters. It will
be interesting to see what it can do in a strong headwind.
Lee
1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA
From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun Jun 26 16:37:25 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 20:37:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Drag and 6hp Speed
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Hi Lee,
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with an Evinrude 6 bhp long shaft outboard. It was OK; but, when it came time to replace it, I opted for an extra long shaft Honda 8 bhp. The 6 bhp outboard was plenty powerful enough to power the boat against any headwinds. But, with the wind come waves and the 6 bhp long shaft Evinrude would frequently cavitate. The extra long shaft Honda was a significant improvement. If an extra long shaft 6 bhp outboard had been available, I would have considered it. All the power in the world is of no use if you can?t couple it to the water. Attached is a photo of the stern of my boat with the motor mount in the fully lowered position. Note how the prop is well below the waterline.
[cid:image003.jpg at 01D8897B.1DDD8870]
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
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From: Lee Kuhn<mailto:lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:48 AM
To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Drag and 6hp Speed
1. I was motoring around the lake the other day trying to get the ten
hours of break-in period on my new outboard. That's a lot of motoring when
I could have been sailing. I was going 3.5 mph with the diamond
centerboard in the up position. I lowered the board and it slowed me down
to 3.4 mph. May not be surprising to a lot of you but I'd thought it would
have slowed the boat down morre.
2, My old motor was a 9.9hp. I thought that a 8hp would be ideal for our
boats but I went down to a 6hp because of the weight difference, Not sure
if I can manhandle the smaller engine on and off the boat but I can
probably find some kid who can. At slightly less than one third throttle
the Tohatsu long shaft moved the boat at 5.1 mph in calm waters. It will
be interesting to see what it can do in a strong headwind.
Lee
1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
Claytor Lake, VA
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From lvjkuhn at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 16:48:22 2022
From: lvjkuhn at gmail.com (Lee Kuhn)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:48:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Drag and 6hp Speed
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Hey Roger,
I wanted to go with the 3hp electric but I thought it might not be enough.
On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 4:37 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
> Hi Lee,
>
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with an Evinrude 6 bhp long shaft outboard.
> It was OK; but, when it came time to replace it, I opted for an extra long
> shaft Honda 8 bhp. The 6 bhp outboard was plenty powerful enough to power
> the boat against any headwinds. But, with the wind come waves and the 6
> bhp long shaft Evinrude would frequently cavitate. The extra long shaft
> Honda was a significant improvement. If an extra long shaft 6 bhp outboard
> had been available, I would have considered it. All the power in the world
> is of no use if you can?t couple it to the water. Attached is a photo of
> the stern of my boat with the motor mount in the fully lowered position.
> Note how the prop is well below the waterline.
>
> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D8897B.1DDD8870]
>
> Roger Pihlaja
> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
>
> From: Lee Kuhn<mailto:lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:48 AM
> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Drag and 6hp Speed
>
> 1. I was motoring around the lake the other day trying to get the ten
> hours of break-in period on my new outboard. That's a lot of motoring when
> I could have been sailing. I was going 3.5 mph with the diamond
> centerboard in the up position. I lowered the board and it slowed me down
> to 3.4 mph. May not be surprising to a lot of you but I'd thought it would
> have slowed the boat down morre.
>
> 2, My old motor was a 9.9hp. I thought that a 8hp would be ideal for our
> boats but I went down to a 6hp because of the weight difference, Not sure
> if I can manhandle the smaller engine on and off the boat but I can
> probably find some kid who can. At slightly less than one third throttle
> the Tohatsu long shaft moved the boat at 5.1 mph in calm waters. It will
> be interesting to see what it can do in a strong headwind.
>
> Lee
> 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
> Claytor Lake, VA
>
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From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Sun Jun 26 18:43:07 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 22:43:07 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Drag and 6hp Speed
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Hi Lee,
Based on the % throttle required to maneuver my boat in strong head and cross winds, I estimate the minimum required power is about 4 bhp. But again, this assumes the prop is submerged deeply enough to not cavitate in the troughs between waves. If you have to throttle back because of cavitation; then, all bets are off.
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 26, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Lee Kuhn <lvjkuhn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?Hey Roger,
>
> I wanted to go with the 3hp electric but I thought it might not be enough.
>
>> On Sun, Jun 26, 2022, 4:37 PM ROGER PIHLAJA <roger_pihlaja at msn.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Lee,
>>
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium came with an Evinrude 6 bhp long shaft outboard.
>> It was OK; but, when it came time to replace it, I opted for an extra long
>> shaft Honda 8 bhp. The 6 bhp outboard was plenty powerful enough to power
>> the boat against any headwinds. But, with the wind come waves and the 6
>> bhp long shaft Evinrude would frequently cavitate. The extra long shaft
>> Honda was a significant improvement. If an extra long shaft 6 bhp outboard
>> had been available, I would have considered it. All the power in the world
>> is of no use if you can?t couple it to the water. Attached is a photo of
>> the stern of my boat with the motor mount in the fully lowered position.
>> Note how the prop is well below the waterline.
>>
>> [cid:image003.jpg at 01D8897B.1DDD8870]
>>
>> Roger Pihlaja
>> S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
>>
>>
>> Sent from Mail<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=05%7C01%7C%7C2089ec610eda4198f5c708da57b53d71%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637918733180378527%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=6%2Fj2sz9i1fVaDGfLrcnfj0g55JuLrI3JRHAy0rkLD6s%3D&reserved=0> for Windows
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>> From: Lee Kuhn<mailto:lvjkuhn at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2022 9:48 AM
>> To: The Rhodes 22 Email List<mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
>> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Centerboard Drag and 6hp Speed
>>
>> 1. I was motoring around the lake the other day trying to get the ten
>> hours of break-in period on my new outboard. That's a lot of motoring when
>> I could have been sailing. I was going 3.5 mph with the diamond
>> centerboard in the up position. I lowered the board and it slowed me down
>> to 3.4 mph. May not be surprising to a lot of you but I'd thought it would
>> have slowed the boat down morre.
>>
>> 2, My old motor was a 9.9hp. I thought that a 8hp would be ideal for our
>> boats but I went down to a 6hp because of the weight difference, Not sure
>> if I can manhandle the smaller engine on and off the boat but I can
>> probably find some kid who can. At slightly less than one third throttle
>> the Tohatsu long shaft moved the boat at 5.1 mph in calm waters. It will
>> be interesting to see what it can do in a strong headwind.
>>
>> Lee
>> 1999 Rhodes22 AT EASE
>> Claytor Lake, VA
>>
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From urchinn at aol.com Mon Jun 27 09:48:57 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:48:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Plastic "spacers" behind spreaders???
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Anyone know about plastic spacers that sit between spreader and mast?? Any info would be appreciated...if I need them, can I make them?? Buy them somewhere???Thanks, ya'll...Tony Jonaitis
From roger_pihlaja at msn.com Mon Jun 27 10:42:25 2022
From: roger_pihlaja at msn.com (ROGER PIHLAJA)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:42:25 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Plastic "spacers" behind spreaders???
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Tony,
The plastic spacers are there to prevent the stainless steel spreader bases from corroding the aluminum mast. It just needs to electrically insulate the mast from the spreader base. I?ve never seen anyone selling them. However, I have made electrical isolators for my mast from a plastic milk jug and a pair of scissors. Note that you also need to coat the stainless steel mounting bolts with never seize or dielectric grease to prevent the threads from corroding. You could also coat the back of the spreader bases with epoxy and that will also work to keep the stainless steel away from the aluminum. Anyway, don?t just bolt the spreader bases to the mast without attending to this very important detail. Your mast will probably be ruined within one season!
Roger Pihlaja
S/V Dynamic Equilibrium
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 9:49 AM, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ?Anyone know about plastic spacers that sit between spreader and mast? Any info would be appreciated...if I need them, can I make them? Buy them somewhere? Thanks, ya'll...Tony Jonaitis
From sloopblueheron at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 11:16:25 2022
From: sloopblueheron at gmail.com (Rick Lange)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 11:16:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Plastic "spacers" behind spreaders???
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Hi Tony,
Large nylon washers found at your hardware store work fine.
Regards,
Rick Lange
On Mon, Jun 27, 2022 at 9:49 AM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> Anyone know about plastic spacers that sit between spreader and mast? Any
> info would be appreciated...if I need them, can I make them? Buy them
> somewhere? Thanks, ya'll...Tony Jonaitis
>
From ric at stottarchitecture.com Mon Jun 27 12:35:18 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 12:35:18 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
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Hi Rodney
Received our check today for the Delrin Traveler Bar Ends I sent you - many thanks.
Let me know how it works out - I must say - I love mine and use them every time my wife gets on the boat from the beach - I pull the pin and swing the traveller out of the way - or take it off.
If I use the swim ladder, I swing the traveller out of the way first as well.
It also swings out of the way while I?m operating the outboard, which I usually do with the rudder in the up position - whenever I'm backing up to the beach or in the shallows.
Rhodies remember - the Centerboard and Rudder are vulnerable to damage while backing up (intentionally or unintentionally).
Always fully raise the CB while backing up in shallow water, launching or tied up.
Ric
Dadventure
Hampton Bays, NY
PS
Here is a pic of what might happen when you launch with the Center Board control line unsecured which allows the CB to drop.
I successfully retrieved the boat in the fall of 2021, then relaunched to one the boat forward on the trailer, my helper had released the ?redline like I asked him to, but he released the CB line instead of the jib fuller line (also red) and I didn?t realize it. As this happened the boat over forward on its own. I was thrilled.
I didn?t notice that the boat had sunk onto its trailer and filled with water to a few inches above the cabin sole until I pulled it back out and noticed water pouring out of the CB trunk.
What a mess.! I ordered a new CB cap from Stan and I made the repairs myself.
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164
> On Jun 2, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ric, I?m very interested in your offer. When would be a good time talk
> live? I?d love to pick your brain on the whole set up.
> My cell is (405) 496-5533.
> Thanks again,
> Rodney
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 12:09 Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>> wrote:
>
>> You're welcome to the drawing. The original file, which had additional
>> drawings and instructions was corrupted in the 6 or 7 years since I made
>> the design. I do have an extra set that I had made at the time. I don?t
>> think I?ll need them as the originals are in top shape after 6 years of use
>> - I would sell them for $100.
>> I?ll take a couple of photos later today or tomorrow and get those to you
>> as well.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ric thx for the diagram, it came through. Do you have a picture of the
>> the machines but installed on the boat. Im a super visual learner, drives
>> my wife crazy.
>>> Thanks for sharing your work ?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 11:26, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com> <mailto:
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Rodney
>>>> I found a drawing, but its not the drawing I was hoping to locate. I?ll
>> try to attach it here. IF it gets scrubbed, I?ll resend through my gmail
>> account.
>>>> Please let me know if the attachment makes it.
>>>> Once the two pieces were fabricated, I installed them onto the
>> split-backstay, then drilled a 1/4? hole through the assembly and used a
>> 1/4? ?Fast-Pin? t keep it in place. Its really easy to pull the fast-pin
>> and swing one side out of the way of the motor, or the stern ladder on the
>> other side. This makes it really convenient for boarding folks from astern
>> (the ladder) or working on the motor.
>>>> Best
>>>> Ric
>>>> Dadventure
>>>>
>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com> <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>
>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com>
>> <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ric, I?d love to see the drawings and pic of the set up installed if
>> you have time.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Rodney
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 06:32, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ?My traveler conversion does not move easily and the line tension
>> makes a big difference. Try easing the tension on the cam-cleat. This will
>> make movement easier but it will never be fast and never be the tool you
>> use to de-power quickly, the main sheet is best for that. What I like best
>> about Stan?s invention is the ability to pull the pins from the ends and
>> swing the traveler out of the way or take it off completely in seconds. I
>> designed the ends and had them fabricated out of Delrin at a local machine
>> shop. If anyone is interested I can probably dig out the drawing.
>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>> Dadventure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?I had the same issue as Peter. Once I loosened the lines a little
>> it worked much better
>>>>>>> Mel Rothbard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>> wrote: Joe,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working
>> the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult. Other than that, I
>> can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little
>> blocks turn freely.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller
>> have any
>>>>>>>> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to
>> operate. Any
>>>>>>>> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via
>> the Samsung
>>>>>>>> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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From rnelson204 at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 14:37:18 2022
From: rnelson204 at gmail.com (RODNEY BROWN)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 13:37:18 -0500
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] New Main Sheet Traveller
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Thank s for the tips and the reminder, that could not have been a lot of fun.
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Rodney
> Received our check today for the Delrin Traveler Bar Ends I sent you - many thanks.
> Let me know how it works out - I must say - I love mine and use them every time my wife gets on the boat from the beach - I pull the pin and swing the traveller out of the way - or take it off.
> If I use the swim ladder, I swing the traveller out of the way first as well.
> It also swings out of the way while I?m operating the outboard, which I usually do with the rudder in the up position - whenever I'm backing up to the beach or in the shallows.
> Rhodies remember - the Centerboard and Rudder are vulnerable to damage while backing up (intentionally or unintentionally).
> Always fully raise the CB while backing up in shallow water, launching or tied up.
> Ric
> Dadventure
> Hampton Bays, NY
> PS
> Here is a pic of what might happen when you launch with the Center Board control line unsecured which allows the CB to drop.
> I successfully retrieved the boat in the fall of 2021, then relaunched to one the boat forward on the trailer, my helper had released the ?redline like I asked him to, but he released the CB line instead of the jib fuller line (also red) and I didn?t realize it. As this happened the boat over forward on its own. I was thrilled.
> I didn?t notice that the boat had sunk onto its trailer and filled with water to a few inches above the cabin sole until I pulled it back out and noticed water pouring out of the CB trunk.
> What a mess.! I ordered a new CB cap from Stan and I made the repairs myself.
>
>
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 1:13 PM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Ric, I?m very interested in your offer. When would be a good time talk
>> live? I?d love to pick your brain on the whole set up.
>> My cell is (405) 496-5533.
>> Thanks again,
>> Rodney
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 12:09 Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com> <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>> You're welcome to the drawing. The original file, which had additional
>>> drawings and instructions was corrupted in the 6 or 7 years since I made
>>> the design. I do have an extra set that I had made at the time. I don?t
>>> think I?ll need them as the originals are in top shape after 6 years of use
>>> - I would sell them for $100.
>>> I?ll take a couple of photos later today or tomorrow and get those to you
>>> as well.
>>> Ric
>>> Dadventure
>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> O -631-283-1777
>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 1:03 PM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ric thx for the diagram, it came through. Do you have a picture of the
>>> the machines but installed on the boat. Im a super visual learner, drives
>>> my wife crazy.
>>>> Thanks for sharing your work ?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 11:26, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com> <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>> <mailto:
>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com> <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ?Rodney
>>>>> I found a drawing, but its not the drawing I was hoping to locate. I?ll
>>> try to attach it here. IF it gets scrubbed, I?ll resend through my gmail
>>> account.
>>>>> Please let me know if the attachment makes it.
>>>>> Once the two pieces were fabricated, I installed them onto the
>>> split-backstay, then drilled a 1/4? hole through the assembly and used a
>>> 1/4? ?Fast-Pin? t keep it in place. Its really easy to pull the fast-pin
>>> and swing one side out of the way of the motor, or the stern ladder on the
>>> other side. This makes it really convenient for boarding folks from astern
>>> (the ladder) or working on the motor.
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Ric
>>>>> Dadventure
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>>>>> ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com> <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>> <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com> <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com <mailto:ric at stottarchitecture.com>>>
>>>>> O -631-283-1777
>>>>> C- 516-965-3164
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 10:09 AM, Rodney Brown <rnelson204 at gmail.com <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com> <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com>>
>>> <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com> <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com <mailto:rnelson204 at gmail.com>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ric, I?d love to see the drawings and pic of the set up installed if
>>> you have time.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Rodney
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 2, 2022, at 06:32, Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ?My traveler conversion does not move easily and the line tension
>>> makes a big difference. Try easing the tension on the cam-cleat. This will
>>> make movement easier but it will never be fast and never be the tool you
>>> use to de-power quickly, the main sheet is best for that. What I like best
>>> about Stan?s invention is the ability to pull the pins from the ends and
>>> swing the traveler out of the way or take it off completely in seconds. I
>>> designed the ends and had them fabricated out of Delrin at a local machine
>>> shop. If anyone is interested I can probably dig out the drawing.
>>>>>>> Ric
>>>>>>> Dadventure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 9:27 PM, Melvyn Rothbard via Rhodes22-list <
>>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ?I had the same issue as Peter. Once I loosened the lines a little
>>> it worked much better
>>>>>>>> Mel Rothbard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 9:18 PM, Peter Nyberg<peter at sunnybeeches.com>
>>> wrote: Joe,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know on mine that if there's too much tension on the line, working
>>> the traveller to port or starboard is more difficult. Other than that, I
>>> can only suggest cleaning the line, and making sure that all the little
>>> blocks turn freely.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --Peter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-06-01, at 20:51:14 EDT, jpd9668 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do those of you Rhodie's who have converted to the new traveller
>>> have any
>>>>>>>>> problems with it sticking? Mine has become very difficult to
>>> operate. Any
>>>>>>>>> maintenance suggestions?Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via
>>> the Samsung
>>>>>>>>> Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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From tvpolise at aol.com Mon Jun 27 14:50:10 2022
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 14:50:10 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
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Every year I paint and launch my boat. Never had a leak ( other that a thru hull that needed to be replaced). This year my wife was ill and required my attention so I brought boat to a boatyard for painting, starting up engine and launching. After waiting several weeks they finally told me it was launched. I got a call a few days later that it had partially sunk. I have no idea what they did but my boat and batteries were submerged and ruined. This is picture of the hull in front of keel with a crack that obviously occurred after they painted it. They are claiming it was a pre existing condition but I know she was seaworthy last season and I would have noticed this when I power washed bottom. I?m thinking they either bounced it in ground or strapped wrong. Has anyone else ever had a similar incident?
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From gstewart.gm at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 20:38:41 2022
From: gstewart.gm at gmail.com (Graham Stewart)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2022 20:38:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
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What a shame. It looks to me like the boat was dropped. I don't see how misplacing the lifting straps could do such damage.
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 2:50 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
Every year I paint and launch my boat. Never had a leak ( other that a thru hull that needed to be replaced). This year my wife was ill and required my attention so I brought boat to a boatyard for painting, starting up engine and launching. After waiting several weeks they finally told me it was launched. I got a call a few days later that it had partially sunk. I have no idea what they did but my boat and batteries were submerged and ruined. This is picture of the hull in front of keel with a crack that obviously occurred after they painted it. They are claiming it was a pre existing condition but I know she was seaworthy last season and I would have noticed this when I power washed bottom. I?m thinking they either bounced it in ground or strapped wrong. Has anyone else ever had a similar incident?
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From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Mon Jun 27 20:38:54 2022
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 00:38:54 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
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26 June 2022 - An attempt to "free" my CB from below and while underwater.
While anchored in 4' - 6' of beautiful, NH, Lake water...I dove underneath the boat to take a look.
I attempted to wiggle a wire above the CB to "yank" it down out of the Keel. (this failed).
I was able to fit the handle of an adjustable wrench up in between the CB and Keel. This allowed me to jiggle and the space while my wife pulled the penant from topside in the boat.
1.5 hrs later, the jiggling allowed a loop of penant rope to drop out of the keel, starboard side.
Called it a night and motored to slip.
I intend to return for a 2nd try, bringing with me a flat bar and crowbar for more leverage.
Even providing a little bit more wiggle room must allow the person topside to pull more penant rope out to day light, right?
Bob in Sunapee,
'84 ORION
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of jpd9668
Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:14 AM
To: John Carlson <john_carlson at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
Although I did not have CB problems,? the trunk was leaking and I had to replace CB gasket. I did this while on the trailer. CB is accessable once cap and gasket are removed. I remember seeing a post on replacing the CB pivot pin. Removing the CB can certainly be done but I'll bet it's a pain in the ass.?TIP: When raising CB, haul to top and back off about 1-2 inches before cleating it off.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/8/22 11:40 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck. Okay, mine was on the trailer. Long story short: I took the centerboard cap/lid/hood off to gain more direct access. However, you cannot do this on the water, since -- as I understand it -- the top of the centerboard trunk is below the waterline.--John CarlsonS/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)Lake Waco, Texas> On Jun 8, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com> wrote:> > Looks familiar to me.? My board froze at the end of last year and I have not been able to free it up> Mel Rothbard> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.onelink.me%2F107872968%3Fpid%3DInProduct%26c%3DGlobal_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers%26af_wl%3Dym%26af_sub1%3DInternal%26af_sub2%3DGlobal_YGrowth%26af_sub3%3DEmailSignature&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C3b256bec4bad46b4ba3f08da4a1190d1%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637903736561139092%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GhedoYesmFpw1yT8B%2F1Pm8zHEPmG91%2BwZM2vsMYa0tc%3D&reserved=0>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:15 PM, C. Robert Lester> <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:> In the water at the slip.> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device> From: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Sent: June 8, 2022 9:16 PM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Reply-to: john_carlson at mac.com <mailto:john_carlson at mac.com>; rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> > Wow, that looks so different from my boat! I have had the "stuck" problem before and am actually writing up a description of the larger project. But, let me ask, is the boat in the water or on the trailer?> > --> John Carlson> Lillipelli (2004/2012)> > > On Jun 8, 2022, at 7:05 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:> >> > Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!> >> > Bob> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>>> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester> > Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> >> > '84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.> > Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).> > But does this look familiar to anyone?> >> > Thanks, Bob> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device>
From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Mon Jun 27 20:43:16 2022
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 00:43:16 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
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Very sad to hear.
Question:
What is the fwd, yellow roller for on the trailer?
Bob in Sunapee
'84 ORION
-----Original Message-----
From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 8:39 PM
To: 'THOMAS POLISE' <tvpolise at aol.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
What a shame. It looks to me like the boat was dropped. I don't see how misplacing the lifting straps could do such damage.
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 2:50 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
Every year I paint and launch my boat. Never had a leak ( other that a thru hull that needed to be replaced). This year my wife was ill and required my attention so I brought boat to a boatyard for painting, starting up engine and launching. After waiting several weeks they finally told me it was launched. I got a call a few days later that it had partially sunk. I have no idea what they did but my boat and batteries were submerged and ruined. This is picture of the hull in front of keel with a crack that obviously occurred after they painted it. They are claiming it was a pre existing condition but I know she was seaworthy last season and I would have noticed this when I power washed bottom. I'm thinking they either bounced it in ground or strapped wrong. Has anyone else ever had a similar incident?
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From lgioia at yahoo.com Mon Jun 27 23:23:46 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 03:23:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
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I have a Triad trailer and a boat stand that Stan cut for me from a trailer.? I don't have a roller like that on either, the boat is supported only by the two curved/carpeted boards on each side.? Seems like that'd be a lot of weight to put on that roller, especially if while lowering it onto the trailer, they lowered the forward part of the boat onto it first (or dropped it on that roller as Graham suggested), or while raising the boat off the trailer if they lifted the after end first.
Larry2014? Language of Love,? Lake George, NY
1986? (still unnamed)? ? ?,? Keystone Lake, Odessa, FL
On Monday, June 27, 2022, 08:41:59 PM EDT, C. Robert Lester <c.robert.lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
Very sad to hear.
Question:
What is the fwd, yellow roller for on the trailer?
Bob in Sunapee
'84 ORION
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From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 8:39 PM
To: 'THOMAS POLISE' <tvpolise at aol.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
What a shame. It looks to me like the boat was dropped. I don't see how misplacing the lifting straps could do such damage.
Graham Stewart
Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
Kingston Ontario
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Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 2:50 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
Every year I paint and launch my boat.? Never had a leak ( other that a thru hull that needed? to be replaced).? This year my wife was ill and required my attention so I brought boat to a boatyard for painting, starting up engine and launching.? After waiting? several weeks they finally told me it was launched.? I got a call a few days later that it had partially sunk. I have no idea what they did but my boat and batteries were submerged and ruined. This is picture of the hull in front of keel with a crack that obviously occurred after they painted it.? They are claiming it was a pre existing condition but I know she was seaworthy last season and I would have noticed this when I power washed bottom. I'm thinking they either bounced it in ground or strapped wrong.? Has anyone else ever had a similar incident?
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From tvpolise at aol.com Tue Jun 28 08:53:04 2022
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 08:53:04 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
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I got the trailer from Triad with the roller.
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 11:25 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ? I have a Triad trailer and a boat stand that Stan cut for me from a trailer. I don't have a roller like that on either, the boat is supported only by the two curved/carpeted boards on each side. Seems like that'd be a lot of weight to put on that roller, especially if while lowering it onto the trailer, they lowered the forward part of the boat onto it first (or dropped it on that roller as Graham suggested), or while raising the boat off the trailer if they lifted the after end first.
> Larry2014 Language of Love, Lake George, NY
> 1986 (still unnamed) , Keystone Lake, Odessa, FL
> On Monday, June 27, 2022, 08:41:59 PM EDT, C. Robert Lester <c.robert.lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> Very sad to hear.
>
> Question:
> What is the fwd, yellow roller for on the trailer?
>
> Bob in Sunapee
> '84 ORION
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: 'THOMAS POLISE' <tvpolise at aol.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
>
> What a shame. It looks to me like the boat was dropped. I don't see how misplacing the lifting straps could do such damage.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 2:50 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
>
> Every year I paint and launch my boat. Never had a leak ( other that a thru hull that needed to be replaced). This year my wife was ill and required my attention so I brought boat to a boatyard for painting, starting up engine and launching. After waiting several weeks they finally told me it was launched. I got a call a few days later that it had partially sunk. I have no idea what they did but my boat and batteries were submerged and ruined. This is picture of the hull in front of keel with a crack that obviously occurred after they painted it. They are claiming it was a pre existing condition but I know she was seaworthy last season and I would have noticed this when I power washed bottom. I'm thinking they either bounced it in ground or strapped wrong. Has anyone else ever had a similar incident?
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From ric at stottarchitecture.com Tue Jun 28 14:38:41 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 14:38:41 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
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I moor my boat in shallow water.
During normal low tide the keel is off the bottom by a few inches.
When the tide is below normal, sometimes the keel rests on the sandy/small stone bottom.
Sometimes this results in a small stone getting wedged between the CB and the trunk.
The only way to clear it is to dive under the boat. I have a long shank screw driver that I use to scrape the stone out.
I imagine marine growth could do the same thing and be remedied the same way.
If your CB pendant is loose, be sure to be out of the way when the CB swings down.
I often set the pedant to about half way, then make the dive.
For the old style center board ( don?t know which you have) the small turning blocks could be bent or jammed also.
The blocks are only available in the UK.
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> On Jun 27, 2022, at 8:38 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
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> 26 June 2022 - An attempt to "free" my CB from below and while underwater.
>
> While anchored in 4' - 6' of beautiful, NH, Lake water...I dove underneath the boat to take a look.
> I attempted to wiggle a wire above the CB to "yank" it down out of the Keel. (this failed).
>
> I was able to fit the handle of an adjustable wrench up in between the CB and Keel. This allowed me to jiggle and the space while my wife pulled the penant from topside in the boat.
> 1.5 hrs later, the jiggling allowed a loop of penant rope to drop out of the keel, starboard side.
> Called it a night and motored to slip.
>
> I intend to return for a 2nd try, bringing with me a flat bar and crowbar for more leverage.
> Even providing a little bit more wiggle room must allow the person topside to pull more penant rope out to day light, right?
>
> Bob in Sunapee,
> '84 ORION
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of jpd9668
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:14 AM
> To: John Carlson <john_carlson at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
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> Although I did not have CB problems, the trunk was leaking and I had to replace CB gasket. I did this while on the trailer. CB is accessable once cap and gasket are removed. I remember seeing a post on replacing the CB pivot pin. Removing the CB can certainly be done but I'll bet it's a pain in the ass. TIP: When raising CB, haul to top and back off about 1-2 inches before cleating it off.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/8/22 11:40 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck. Okay, mine was on the trailer. Long story short: I took the centerboard cap/lid/hood off to gain more direct access. However, you cannot do this on the water, since -- as I understand it -- the top of the centerboard trunk is below the waterline.--John CarlsonS/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)Lake Waco, Texas> On Jun 8, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com> wrote:> > Looks familiar to me. My board froze at the end of last year and I have not been able to free it up> Mel Rothbard> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.onelink.me%2F107872968%3Fpid%3DInProduct%26c%3DGlobal_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers%26af_wl%3Dym%26af_sub1%3DInternal%26af_sub2%3DGlobal_YGrowth%26af_sub3%3DEmailSignature&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C3b256bec4bad46b4ba3f08da4a1190d1%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637903736561139092%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=GhedoYesmFpw1yT8B%2F1Pm8zHEPmG91%2BwZM2vsMYa0tc%3D&reserved=0>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:15 PM, C. Robert Lester> <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:> In the water at the slip.> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device> From: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Sent: June 8, 2022 9:16 PM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Reply-to: john_carlson at mac.com <mailto:john_carlson at mac.com>; rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> > Wow, that looks so different from my boat! I have had the "stuck" problem before and am actually writing up a description of the larger project. But, let me ask, is the boat in the water or on the trailer?> > --> John Carlson> Lillipelli (2004/2012)> > > On Jun 8, 2022, at 7:05 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:> >> > Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!> >> > Bob> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>>> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester> > Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> >> > '84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.> > Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).> > But does this look familiar to anyone?> >> > Thanks, Bob> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device>
From mweisner at ebsmed.com Tue Jun 28 16:06:47 2022
From: mweisner at ebsmed.com (Michael D. Weisner)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:06:47 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
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It appears that the boatyard placed a jack between the front of the shoal keel and the extension tongue of the trailer and a pair of jack stands at the stern. They then lift her to paint above the roller and the bunks. Those of us who have been around Rhodes 22s know better than to lift from the bottom, even with a v-block. The hull was never designed to support the weight of the boat in this area.
The hull can be repaired by a competent glass mechanic. The interior, electrical and mechanical system damage may result in insurance "totaling" the boat. How much insurance does the yard have?
If you want to sail this season, you might be better off looking for a used boat and "parting" the Rhodes out, depending on the quality of the rigging, engine, etc.
Mike
s/v Wind Lass ('91)
Nissequogue River, NY
I?d rather be sailing :~)
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Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
Every year I paint and launch my boat. Never had a leak ( other that a thru hull that needed to be replaced). This year my wife was ill and required my attention so I brought boat to a boatyard for painting, starting up engine and launching. After waiting several weeks they finally told me it was launched. I got a call a few days later that it had partially sunk. I have no idea what they did but my boat and batteries were submerged and ruined. This is picture of the hull in front of keel with a crack that obviously occurred after they painted it. They are claiming it was a pre existing condition but I know she was seaworthy last season and I would have noticed this when I power washed bottom. I?m thinking they either bounced it in ground or strapped wrong. Has anyone else ever had a similar incident?
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From lgioia at yahoo.com Tue Jun 28 16:19:48 2022
From: lgioia at yahoo.com (Larry Gioia)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 20:19:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
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So the roller is not the problem in ordinary use: that leaves us with dropped on the roller, or, lowered onto the roller first at too much of an angle such that it was momentarily supporting most of the boat.? And must have happened after painting as you said. I agree it's not lifting strap placement.? Must have made an audible cracking noise, so someone knows.??Larry??
On Tuesday, June 28, 2022, 08:53:05 AM EDT, THOMAS POLISE <tvpolise at aol.com> wrote:
I got the trailer from Triad with the roller.?
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 11:25 PM, Larry Gioia via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> ? I have a Triad trailer and a boat stand that Stan cut for me from a trailer.? I don't have a roller like that on either, the boat is supported only by the two curved/carpeted boards on each side.? Seems like that'd be a lot of weight to put on that roller, especially if while lowering it onto the trailer, they lowered the forward part of the boat onto it first (or dropped it on that roller as Graham suggested), or while raising the boat off the trailer if they lifted the after end first.
> Larry2014? Language of Love,? Lake George, NY
> 1986? (still unnamed)? ? ,? Keystone Lake, Odessa, FL
>? ? On Monday, June 27, 2022, 08:41:59 PM EDT, C. Robert Lester <c.robert.lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:?
>
> Very sad to hear.
>
> Question:
> What is the fwd, yellow roller for on the trailer?
>
> Bob in Sunapee
> '84 ORION
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of Graham Stewart
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 8:39 PM
> To: 'THOMAS POLISE' <tvpolise at aol.com>; 'The Rhodes 22 Email List' <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
>
> What a shame. It looks to me like the boat was dropped. I don't see how misplacing the lifting straps could do such damage.
>
> Graham Stewart
> Agile, Rodes 22, 1976
> Kingston Ontario
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list [mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org] On Behalf Of THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list
> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2022 2:50 PM
> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
> Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
>
> Every year I paint and launch my boat.? Never had a leak ( other that a thru hull that needed? to be replaced).? This year my wife was ill and required my attention so I brought boat to a boatyard for painting, starting up engine and launching.? After waiting? several weeks they finally told me it was launched.? I got a call a few days later that it had partially sunk. I have no idea what they did but my boat and batteries were submerged and ruined. This is picture of the hull in front of keel with a crack that obviously occurred after they painted it.? They are claiming it was a pre existing condition but I know she was seaworthy last season and I would have noticed this when I power washed bottom. I'm thinking they either bounced it in ground or strapped wrong.? Has anyone else ever had a similar incident?
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From tvpolise at aol.com Tue Jun 28 16:29:00 2022
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 16:29:00 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
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?Mariner?s marina in Barnegat
I?m looking to get Tom Pim in Barnegat light to do repairs. Has anyone worked with him ?
> On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Christopher Knell <cknell1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> ?For others of us on LBI, would you be willing to share the name of the boatyard where this occurred? We've had our Rhodes manhandled inappropriately at a marina on LBI. I'm curious if your incident occurred at the same establishment.
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
>
>> On 6/27/2022 2:50 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>> Every year I paint and launch my boat. Never had a leak ( other that a thru hull that needed to be replaced). This year my wife was ill and required my attention so I brought boat to a boatyard for painting, starting up engine and launching. After waiting several weeks they finally told me it was launched. I got a call a few days later that it had partially sunk. I have no idea what they did but my boat and batteries were submerged and ruined. This is picture of the hull in front of keel with a crack that obviously occurred after they painted it. They are claiming it was a pre existing condition but I know she was seaworthy last season and I would have noticed this when I power washed bottom. I?m thinking they either bounced it in ground or strapped wrong. Has anyone else ever had a similar incident?
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From jayf401 at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 17:02:25 2022
From: jayf401 at gmail.com (Jay Friedland)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 17:02:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
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Was it handled on their travel lift @ Mariners? As a sail-only marina, they used to be decent, but have lost a lot of business. I haven?t used Tom, but he?s been recommended and close by. 2 other names in demand after Sandy were Glenn Edwards, especially on larger boats, and possibly Don Balke in Tuckerton.
Chris, where was yours ?manhandled??
I used GEB Marina on Green Street, Tuckerton, for many years as there were so few travel lifts on the island, especially that catered to smaller sailboats. They were reasonable and fairly easy to schedule, even helped pull my boat amid the chaos of Hurricane Sandy. They were recently bought and building both their marina business and the Dockside Cafe.
Jay
S/V Wanderlust, ?97
> On Jun 28, 2022, at 4:29 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Mariner?s marina in Barnegat
> I?m looking to get Tom Pim in Barnegat light to do repairs. Has anyone worked with him ?
>
>
>> On Jun 28, 2022, at 12:11 PM, Christopher Knell <cknell1 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?For others of us on LBI, would you be willing to share the name of the boatyard where this occurred? We've had our Rhodes manhandled inappropriately at a marina on LBI. I'm curious if your incident occurred at the same establishment.
>> Thanks,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>> On 6/27/2022 2:50 PM, THOMAS POLISE via Rhodes22-list wrote:
>>> Every year I paint and launch my boat. Never had a leak ( other that a thru hull that needed to be replaced). This year my wife was ill and required my attention so I brought boat to a boatyard for painting, starting up engine and launching. After waiting several weeks they finally told me it was launched. I got a call a few days later that it had partially sunk. I have no idea what they did but my boat and batteries were submerged and ruined. This is picture of the hull in front of keel with a crack that obviously occurred after they painted it. They are claiming it was a pre existing condition but I know she was seaworthy last season and I would have noticed this when I power washed bottom. I?m thinking they either bounced it in ground or strapped wrong. Has anyone else ever had a similar incident?
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From jpd9668 at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 18:54:09 2022
From: jpd9668 at gmail.com (jpd9668)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 18:54:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sunken boat
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Here is my Triad Trailer. The roller is clearly installed to assist with recovering the Rhodes 22 onto the trailer via winching. While I am not certain this to be true, the position of the roller seems to be below the level of it appears that the boat eventually "climbs" off of the roller as it approaches the biw stop i.e. the roller does not permnently support the Rhodes. My Rhodes is lifted onto my trailer with a travel lift in slings. There is no weight on the keel or the roller.Joe DempseySV RespiteDeltaville, VASent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
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From C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu Tue Jun 28 19:18:50 2022
From: C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu (C. Robert Lester)
Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2022 23:18:50 +0000
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
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Thanks Ric!
I should add that the CB is stuck because I didn't raise the penant line when the trailer roller, tucked the CB into the keel when taking the boat out of the water last season.
The penant line is sandwiched I feel in between the keel & CB.
The CB on my boat is the old style and the same shape as the rudder.
It is nice to hear someone else "dives" under to fix the issue.
Bob
'84 ORION
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com
Sent: June 28, 2022 2:38 PM
To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Reply-to: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org
Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
I moor my boat in shallow water.
During normal low tide the keel is off the bottom by a few inches.
When the tide is below normal, sometimes the keel rests on the sandy/small stone bottom.
Sometimes this results in a small stone getting wedged between the CB and the trunk.
The only way to clear it is to dive under the boat. I have a long shank screw driver that I use to scrape the stone out.
I imagine marine growth could do the same thing and be remedied the same way.
If your CB pendant is loose, be sure to be out of the way when the CB swings down.
I often set the pedant to about half way, then make the dive.
For the old style center board ( don?t know which you have) the small turning blocks could be bent or jammed also.
The blocks are only available in the UK.
Good Luck!
Ric
Dadventure
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164
> On Jun 27, 2022, at 8:38 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu> wrote:
>
> 26 June 2022 - An attempt to "free" my CB from below and while underwater.
>
> While anchored in 4' - 6' of beautiful, NH, Lake water...I dove underneath the boat to take a look.
> I attempted to wiggle a wire above the CB to "yank" it down out of the Keel. (this failed).
>
> I was able to fit the handle of an adjustable wrench up in between the CB and Keel. This allowed me to jiggle and the space while my wife pulled the penant from topside in the boat.
> 1.5 hrs later, the jiggling allowed a loop of penant rope to drop out of the keel, starboard side.
> Called it a night and motored to slip.
>
> I intend to return for a 2nd try, bringing with me a flat bar and crowbar for more leverage.
> Even providing a little bit more wiggle room must allow the person topside to pull more penant rope out to day light, right?
>
> Bob in Sunapee,
> '84 ORION
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> On Behalf Of jpd9668
> Sent: Thursday, June 9, 2022 8:14 AM
> To: John Carlson <john_carlson at mac.com>; The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>; Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.
>
> Although I did not have CB problems, the trunk was leaking and I had to replace CB gasket. I did this while on the trailer. CB is accessable once cap and gasket are removed. I remember seeing a post on replacing the CB pivot pin. Removing the CB can certainly be done but I'll bet it's a pain in the ass. TIP: When raising CB, haul to top and back off about 1-2 inches before cleating it off.Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S22 5G, an AT&T 5G smartphone
> -------- Original message --------From: John Carlson via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Date: 6/8/22 11:40 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com> Cc: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck. Okay, mine was on the trailer. Long story short: I took the centerboard cap/lid/hood off to gain more direct access. However, you cannot do this on the water, since -- as I understand it -- the top of the centerboard trunk is below the waterline.--John CarlsonS/V Lillipelli (2004/2012)Lake Waco, Texas> On Jun 8, 2022, at 10:18 PM, Melvyn Rothbard <melrothbard at yahoo.com> wrote:> > Looks familiar to me. My board froze at the end of last year and I have not been able to free it up> Mel Rothbard> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android <https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.onelink.me%2F107872968%3Fpid%3DInProduct%26c%3DGlobal_Internal_YGrowth_AndroidEmailSig__AndroidUsers%26af_wl%3Dym%26af_sub1%3DInternal%26af_sub2%3DGlobal_YGrowth%26af_sub3%3DEmailSignature&data=05%7C01%7Cc.robert.lester%40dartmouth.edu%7C9a5831053edd4c1806d708da59356fc9%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C637920383293608174%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=OUViCA82F0Js%2Bw4m%2F7u0fRVv76BmdzmbU33xFVufCU4%3D&reserved=0>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2022 at 10:15 PM, C. Robert Lester> <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:> In the water at the slip.> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device> From: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Sent: June 8, 2022 9:16 PM> To: rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Reply-to: john_carlson at mac.com <mailto:john_carlson at mac.com>; rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>> Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> > Wow, that looks so different from my boat! I have had the "stuck" problem before and am actually writing up a description of the larger project. But, let me ask, is the boat in the water or on the trailer?> > --> John Carlson> Lillipelli (2004/2012)> > > On Jun 8, 2022, at 7:05 PM, C. Robert Lester <C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu <mailto:C.Robert.Lester at dartmouth.edu>> wrote:> >> > Frogive me all, hopefully "pic" makes it through this time!> >> > Bob> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list-bounces at rhodes22.org>>> On Behalf Of C. Robert Lester> > Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2022 7:36 PM> > To: The Rhodes 22 Email List <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org <mailto:rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org>>>> > Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] Swing keel stuck.> >> > '84 R22 with centerboard stuck on penant rope.> > Nothing fits down penant tube (don't have golf club as suggested).> > But does this look familiar to anyone?> >> > Thanks, Bob> >> > Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device>
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 12:07:22 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:07:22 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sealing hull to deck gaps
Message-ID: <B17814EF-DA97-40DF-9546-AAC0967BCE65@gmail.com>
I?ve found that there are visible gaps in the hull to deck joint of my boat, which allow some water to intrude when the boat heels a lot. My mechanic suggested using silicone caulking to seal these areas but I?ve frequently read that silicone should be avoided except for things like port lights and hatches. Do you have any advice or experience with this issue?
Thanks,
Michael McKay
s/v Liber 2006/2018
Sent from my iPhone
From urchinn at aol.com Wed Jun 29 13:17:39 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 17:17:39 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette full of water....
References: <1041032285.5741569.1656523059381.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Okay, our Rhodes is still on the trailer.? Yesterday, we had a nice rain...and this morning I saw the front of the trailer in the air.? Upon inspection, I found the lazarette seriously full of water.? What the F(udge)?Any ideas where that water might be coming from???Thanks?Tony
From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Jun 29 13:20:30 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 13:20:30 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette full of water....
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Yea - your seat drains are clogged and the rain water seeks the path of least resistance - it spills over the edge of the Laz opening under the cover and into the pit.
Ric
Dadventure
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164
> On Jun 29, 2022, at 1:17 PM, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>
> Okay, our Rhodes is still on the trailer. Yesterday, we had a nice rain...and this morning I saw the front of the trailer in the air. Upon inspection, I found the lazarette seriously full of water. What the F(udge)?Any ideas where that water might be coming from? Thanks Tony
From retiredtoby at gmail.com Wed Jun 29 13:30:40 2022
From: retiredtoby at gmail.com (Cary Tolbert)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 13:30:40 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette full of water....
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Right on Ric. A cone shaped clothes dryer appliance brush will clean out
thoes drains. I keep one such brush IN my Laz.
On Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 1:20 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
> Yea - your seat drains are clogged and the rain water seeks the path of
> least resistance - it spills over the edge of the Laz opening under the
> cover and into the pit.
> Ric
> Dadventure
>
> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
> ric at stottarchitecture.com
> O -631-283-1777
> C- 516-965-3164
>
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 2022, at 1:17 PM, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> >
> > Okay, our Rhodes is still on the trailer. Yesterday, we had a nice
> rain...and this morning I saw the front of the trailer in the air. Upon
> inspection, I found the lazarette seriously full of water. What the
> F(udge)?Any ideas where that water might be coming from? Thanks Tony
>
>
From mark at whipplefamily.com Wed Jun 29 13:35:53 2022
From: mark at whipplefamily.com (Mark Whipple)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 13:35:53 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sealing hull to deck gaps
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From Practical Sailor:
Silicone caulk is notorious for wreaking havoc with the adhesion of
sealants and paint. In fact, you will probably find that new silicone
bedding does not bond well to surfaces that have been supposedly scrubbed
clean. The trouble is that old silicone can be deeply embedded in the pores
of gelcoat and wood, invisible to the naked eye.
https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/ps-tests-adhesive-removers
and
Many companies, including Pettit?who have launched a new line of caulks,
<https://pettitpaint.com/products/sealants-adhesives/>offer new
UV-resistant and paintable polyether blends that can be used in lieu of
silicone, which has a reputation of leaving behind invisible residue that
can interfere with the adhesion of subsequent coatings of paint or varnish
on the bedded fitting, or even on the adjacent surfaces. If you have to
remove silicone or remove stubbornly adhered polyurethane caulk like 3M
5200, check out our Practical Sailor?s test of adhesive removers
<https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/ps-tests-adhesive-removers>
.
https://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/the-right-caulk-for-your-boat
I can confirm from experience that it can be nearly impossible to get
anything to seal to surfaces that were previously exposed to silicone
caulk. I've had to use a digester solution to remove the silicone from the
gelcoat.
Mark
Boston, MA
2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 12:07 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I?ve found that there are visible gaps in the hull to deck joint of my
> boat, which allow some water to intrude when the boat heels a lot. My
> mechanic suggested using silicone caulking to seal these areas but I?ve
> frequently read that silicone should be avoided except for things like port
> lights and hatches. Do you have any advice or experience with this issue?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael McKay
> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>
> Sent from my iPhone
From ric at stottarchitecture.com Wed Jun 29 13:49:09 2022
From: ric at stottarchitecture.com (Ric Stott)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 13:49:09 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette full of water....
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I use a piece of Galvanized Wire about 2? long that lives in the laz as well.
I?ve opened the laz a number of times to find my fenders awash.
Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
ric at stottarchitecture.com
O -631-283-1777
C- 516-965-3164
> On Jun 29, 2022, at 1:30 PM, Cary Tolbert <retiredtoby at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Right on Ric. A cone shaped clothes dryer appliance brush will clean out
> thoes drains. I keep one such brush IN my Laz.
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022, 1:20 PM Ric Stott <ric at stottarchitecture.com> wrote:
>
>> Yea - your seat drains are clogged and the rain water seeks the path of
>> least resistance - it spills over the edge of the Laz opening under the
>> cover and into the pit.
>> Ric
>> Dadventure
>>
>> Richard F. Stott, AIA, LEED AP
>> ric at stottarchitecture.com
>> O -631-283-1777
>> C- 516-965-3164
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 29, 2022, at 1:17 PM, Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
>> rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Okay, our Rhodes is still on the trailer. Yesterday, we had a nice
>> rain...and this morning I saw the front of the trailer in the air. Upon
>> inspection, I found the lazarette seriously full of water. What the
>> F(udge)?Any ideas where that water might be coming from? Thanks Tony
>>
>>
From tvpolise at aol.com Wed Jun 29 14:14:17 2022
From: tvpolise at aol.com (THOMAS POLISE)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2022 14:14:17 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Boats for Sale LBI
References: <B9A2CF6F-0A77-46A4-A320-E224CBC717B3.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <B9A2CF6F-0A77-46A4-A320-E224CBC717B3@aol.com>
Anyone selling a boat in LBI NJ area?
From mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 00:00:25 2022
From: mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com (Michael McKay)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 00:00:25 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Sealing hull to deck gaps
In-Reply-To: <CA+WP5AShC2QuiQ0x8ZEmXdMSVJ9xAChzj6sbY0uMhX_ctH1BxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+WP5AShC2QuiQ0x8ZEmXdMSVJ9xAChzj6sbY0uMhX_ctH1BxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Mark, these are excellent resources.
Michael McKay
(630) 209-2054 (m)
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> On Jun 29, 2022, at 1:36 PM, Mark Whipple <mark at whipplefamily.com> wrote:
>
> ?From Practical Sailor:
>
> Silicone caulk is notorious for wreaking havoc with the adhesion of
> sealants and paint. In fact, you will probably find that new silicone
> bedding does not bond well to surfaces that have been supposedly scrubbed
> clean. The trouble is that old silicone can be deeply embedded in the pores
> of gelcoat and wood, invisible to the naked eye.
>
> https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/ps-tests-adhesive-removers
>
> and
>
> Many companies, including Pettit?who have launched a new line of caulks,
> <https://pettitpaint.com/products/sealants-adhesives/>offer new
> UV-resistant and paintable polyether blends that can be used in lieu of
> silicone, which has a reputation of leaving behind invisible residue that
> can interfere with the adhesion of subsequent coatings of paint or varnish
> on the bedded fitting, or even on the adjacent surfaces. If you have to
> remove silicone or remove stubbornly adhered polyurethane caulk like 3M
> 5200, check out our Practical Sailor?s test of adhesive removers
> <https://www.practical-sailor.com/boat-maintenance/ps-tests-adhesive-removers>
> .
>
> https://www.practical-sailor.com/blog/the-right-caulk-for-your-boat
>
> I can confirm from experience that it can be nearly impossible to get
> anything to seal to surfaces that were previously exposed to silicone
> caulk. I've had to use a digester solution to remove the silicone from the
> gelcoat.
>
> Mark
>
> Boston, MA
>
> 2000 R22 *Luna Mia*
>
>
>> On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 12:07 PM Michael McKay <mm.bizlist1 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I?ve found that there are visible gaps in the hull to deck joint of my
>> boat, which allow some water to intrude when the boat heels a lot. My
>> mechanic suggested using silicone caulking to seal these areas but I?ve
>> frequently read that silicone should be avoided except for things like port
>> lights and hatches. Do you have any advice or experience with this issue?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Michael McKay
>> s/v Liber 2006/2018
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
From urchinn at aol.com Thu Jun 30 07:40:53 2022
From: urchinn at aol.com (Tony Jonaitis)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 11:40:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette full of water...problem solved (I think)
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Thanks for the input, ya'll!? Turns out that the two drains on the seats were so packed with funky crap that it took me a long time to clear it all out.? Clean as a whistle now.? Again, thanks for the quick...and accurate...diagnosis!Tony
From snstaum at gmail.com Thu Jun 30 18:25:42 2022
From: snstaum at gmail.com (Stephen Staum)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 18:25:42 -0400
Subject: [Rhodes22-list] Lazarette full of water....
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I had that with the Carol Lee 2 but only on the trailer - never on the
water. The bow sits lower on the water avoiding the problem. My yard was
sloped which added to the "stern low" problem. I would raise the tongue
with a floor jack and take the trailer jack up into the towing position
then drop the trailer tongue to the ground thereby lowering the bow and
avoiding the flooded lazerette.
*Thanks and Stay Well,*
*Stephen Staum*
*s/v Pinafore*
*Needham, MA*
On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 1:17 PM Tony Jonaitis via Rhodes22-list <
rhodes22-list at rhodes22.org> wrote:
> Okay, our Rhodes is still on the trailer. Yesterday, we had a nice
> rain...and this morning I saw the front of the trailer in the air. Upon
> inspection, I found the lazarette seriously full of water. What the
> F(udge)?Any ideas where that water might be coming from? Thanks Tony
>